game-discussion

[minor shore]

Shield fighter, Ranger, and a Wizard with half a brain are good counters for start

[deep helm]

longsword fight shits on barb every day of the week

[minor shore]

^true, again, takes a fighter who actully knows how to aim the parry and doesnt just spam it

[deep helm]

i feel like ive argued with you before and then u were really not good at this and saying things that make other question if you actually play or just watch streamers who complain a lot

i say this because of your 2nd to last sentence. A LOT bring barb down. Litterally any range or faster character do. Anyone who can have a good parry like longsword peeps too

[long hornet]

Most than any classes, the most common are Barb and fighter. Always has been. Because they’re the easiest, and get the most value with the least effort. The average player is bad, so they gravitate to what is simple. That’s human psychology, dying feels bad, winning feels good. Dying a lot to learn feels bad, so easy classes get the most play. Meta. Every game works that way. I’d rather be a squire barb or fighter than any other class in bis blues. It’s too easy to outplay people as them with little effort

[weary ridge]

this x100. well said. all that is left now is those easy classes. i have to sweat my butt off and play perfect to kill a barb.

[deep helm]

Idk if i want to read past sentence one bc its half true. Fighter is the most seen but for awhile barb wasnt seen because they werent good at all. They were so bad a barb with full unique and artifact gear would bring an S tier team comp to a C tier team comp so fast. Ill keep reading but man not starting off strong again

[long hornet]

Barbs are faster than every class, than a fighter who has both ms perks. Until hr legendary, other classes don’t have the luxury to build ms. Notice when Paul starting doing balancing, it’s a hard melee meta. Was a lot in many wipes. Melee is simple

[simple jacinth]

yea one tiny tiny little slip up and your dead after sweating your ass off

[deep helm]

barbs are not faster than every class. We are much much slower, that just means you are going against a speed build barb. A normal bulky strength barb is slow. Even with rage i still cant catch most classes

[long hornet]

It’s wild the cope from fighter and barb mains. Yeah, if another class plays perfect, they can kill you and make you feel bad. It works both ways. Put any class against a Barb Barb wins minimum 70-30. If it’s not even close to 50-50 in most fights, that’s op by nature

[long hornet]

If you can’t catch people as Barb, then you position poorly. You can absorb more damage than any other class in the game, and heal constantly while being fully mobile. Force a push, or just w key since any action by an enemy gets you free space.

[minor shore]

The difference if competence.

[weary ridge]

where are the perks for the other classes? it sucks that the two classes that didn't need new skills, got them. we are getting towards the end of the season and nothing new.

[deep helm]

thats kind of how its been. New stuff at the begining and buffs and nerfs thru out

[deep helm]

Healing slows you down a bit. Even if i W key them, if they are faster they can just keep going. Ive caught my fair share but most the time it is a person with range who has been hitting me all chase

[weary ridge]

didn't they say that ranger and rogue would be getting something before the season is over? i guess there is still time, but the player count dropped after wipe was announced.

[deep helm]

i thought it was next season changes would happen, a month left and then a change would seem dumb

[long hornet]

Yeah, healing slows you, but you heal resources that for other classes are limited. Have to reload, wait for spell cds, limited spells, while you get to take space from those negatives obvious of them from the class. Being the chaser is always easier than being the one chased.

Their goal, is to balance the frontlines then work their way to distance classes. You did it the other way last time and it didn’t work. But they overhauled many systems at once, and have been slow with the root problems of balancing this wipe

[deep helm]

i wouldnt say that totally. Being the chaser against a ranger or fighter with a bow is the worst. Most just pelt you until you get close and by that point youve lost a chunk of health and even if i can get 2 swings off so can they and im dead first

[long hornet]

-40ms and you’re taking space while they line up shots. You do more damage the lower health you have. If you take damage, dodging arrows isn’t hard when you can eat many. Try pushing a ranger on a low pdr low hp squishy class and say that.

[deep helm]

yea i have but do you know how much arrows do?

a good chunk of health, even if i heal 2 arrows with a dmg i am hit by 3 more and thats if only 10 r shot

[long hornet]

Well, a good barb doesn’t walk into open space where it’s easy to just get hit. All you have to do is force a push. You take the fight on your terms because you want them melee. Good barbs don’t have problems with most classes most of the time. That’s why their’s barb videos of them getting 100 kills in a day… other classes don’t do that. Except fighter

[sinful pecan]

Dawg we gotta give wiz cantrips

Love missing out on fights or not being able to deal with a 4th party cause im all outta magic juice

[long hornet]

Wouldn’t it be nice to play a w key left click class where resources doesn’t matter? All so simple when you don’t gotta worry about anything

[deep helm]

good anyone doesnt walk into open space but sometimes ya have to. Thats kind of most the maps

[long hornet]

Their’s more doors and small modules than big open ones on every map…

[deep helm]

cool, not like ppl cant shoot thru the windows of the doors or open them

[simple jacinth]

bruh

[deep helm]

crazy concept but other plays can open the doors i just closed

[long hornet]

Crouch and they can’t hit through the door? Like what am I reading. Are you a Timmy

[small wren]

did they nerf dark fabrics drops off mage skeles? ive killed 15+ in literal each difficulty mode, still no drop

[long hornet]

So they open a door and get within 1 meter of you and you can’t kill them? Then that’s a skill issue. That’s prime attack positioning

[simple jacinth]

yea now that theres other drops they are rarer

[deep helm]

they get close and they die but im also a pve barb

im here for loot piles and killing things

i wish i didnt have morals so i could run meta barb but allas i do

[long hornet]

So a pve player on the easiest class, having hot takes about pvp interactions. Why am I not surprised you don’t know how to play the class in pvp properly

[deep helm]

never said pve player

[long hornet]

No perk no ability lv 1 barb is better than most classes

they get close and they die but im also a pve barb. Your words

[inner roost]

or anything, for that matter. Warlocks get endless spell casting, sorcs get endless spell casting. Wizard gets a wet noodle. They should just do a mana system for wizard, Will increases mana regen (so you don't get the double benefit of casting speed + mana regen). Also, they just need spell attention in general, 3/4 of the spells wont even work on the new map with the water.

[deep helm]

said i run a pve barb, over half your fights in a game r pve so why not cater towards it

[small wren]

man, i feel like just a month ago though, they dropped every 2 kills. ive killed a total of a literal 35+ now anyone have any luck?

[long hornet]

Cater to pve? You two shot every mob. What do you have to cater to

[deep helm]

wrong

maybe a purple + barb can 2 shot every mob but blue and below doesnt especially in HR

[simple jacinth]

yea idk lmao i got mine after my 20th kill was thinking they aint even a thing anymore befor i got it

[small wren]

this is awful. im one silver coin away from seasonal chest, and i literally ahve been trying for hours

[long hornet]

It takes most class 5+ hits. Even in legendarys, while being very close range. You can to safely 2h space them out and easily parry. The bardiche is the best weapon in the game. Every streamer started playing Barb. Gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you’re just a Timmy. Don’t gotta learn a class that takes skill, could of at least acknowledged how simple yours is

[deep helm]

see ive been giving your the benefit of the doub too. In full legendary no duh u can 2 hit. My legendary I can 1 hit certain one too. I got a 41 Str, 41 vig, 20 dex barb (not even fully gemed yet) and i can 1 or 2 shot every non boss monster. But what you originally said did not specify what level gear, all you said was we can 2 shot every mob

[woeful plume]

Don't act like a game where your fingers push buttons is a skill. You could at least acknowledge how simple you sound when you say that. lol

This is no more of a skill than typing.

[long hornet]

That statement is so dumb I don’t even know what to say, except if you feel that way, you definitely don’t play anything that takes skill.

[woeful plume]

Sorry I hurt your feelings. lol But it's a fact. Whatever class you play, doesn't make you somehow better because you believe your class takes more "skill" to play. If you can type and run a keyboard...grats I guess?

I mean really, you only say that to irritate people. Is that your schtick?

Running around and telling others their playing a no skill class?
Does it make you feel better to degrade others?

[long hornet]

Ah, you’re a barb main. Makes sense. Skill ceiling exists, for some classes. So does skill floor if you know what that means. I get you like to only play what’s simple, could at least admit you’re bad at the game, and that’s why you do so

[woeful plume]

Here MrTrump...let me kiss your rump. You're so skilled...I wish I was as skilled as you at (insert class)!!

[fading topaz]

ooh drama :3

[long hornet]

Old overweight failed twitch streamer playing a simple class. I see where your animosity comes from man. I feel for you. If you play something that takes skill, you might learn the game. I’m rooting for you

[fading topaz]

btw i got a question,do u need to do a vc to look for games?

[woeful plume]

All bow to @long hornet uber skills at (insert class here)!!! I'm not worthy....I'm not worthy!!! lmao

[long hornet]

I’d take your twitch off your profile. It’s embarrassing to see

[woeful plume]

I see your confusion....you think I care. lol I'm sorry your embarrassed by it.

I lied, I'm not sorry. I just don't care.

You should try it...try not caring what other people play. Just let them have fun. Quit dragging people down because of what they play...or do you lack the skills!??

[long hornet]

Ignore the truth of the class in the game you play, ignore the truths of your life. That’s some pattern of avoidment. Can’t keep running forever

Or you can. Ignorance is bliss

[fading topaz]

this is so fun to watch :>

[long hornet]

I did some time working in the psych ward when getting my doctorate. You see some crazy people, but even crazier online. Their personality shows more than they realize. Crazy how many crazies walk among us

[woeful plume]

The truth is it's a video game, son. It's not a place for you to try and flex your epeen.

[fading topaz]

idrc, i js wanna play D&D

[woeful plume]

lol A doctorate. That's rich. 🙂 I'm sure you were the best doctorate, a beautiful doctorate...no one has doctorated better than you. No one know doctorating better than you...

[fading topaz]

oh god TvT

[long hornet]

Your level of stupidity has expanded my understanding of what’s possible. I’m almost impressed

[woeful plume]

I bet you doctorated in under 6 years too huh?

[woeful plume]

You're almost a lot of things...lol

But anyway...enjoy the game, have fun, stay warm.

[fading topaz]

it js sucks bc im a newbie and don't have le stuff that the paid guys have so im prob not gonna find many ppl ply with-

[jagged dew]

is there a cap to physical damage bonus ?

[gray urchin]

Guys what do you think about the Ghost King Chase Phase?
I think it is such a bad Game Design, because especially in Solo you are almost always dead, when you get thirded in the chase phase. I just killed a Fighter trying to kill the boss and it took no skill at all, kind of feel bad. My Idea would be that the Ghost King during Chase Phase, always changes Aggro, when a new Person enters the room during chase Phase (at least in solos). What do you think about this idea?
It would be so epic to have fair fights in Ghost King Room, i would love it. Instead everybody is waiting to third, when the Ghost King is in Chase Phase (me included)

[fast shore]

Should make it harder to push every boss in progress like wyvern

[topaz pendant]

bruh there should be morale boost for everyone in solos im so fucking tired of getting griefed

[fast shore]

Also this ^

[gray urchin]

it is hard ^^

[gray urchin]

i am playing wiz, hate those rogues 😄

[topaz pendant]

fr bruh

[frigid sleet]

yeah rouge just two taps

just happened to me

after i made a sorc kit ofc

[delicate berry]

how do i report blatant teaming on HR?

i got a video of 4 dudes with the same name/clan teaming on HR

[keen mauve]

ESC --> support make ticket, link the clip to them

[delicate berry]

bet ty

[sterile wadi]

Can mystical gem pile drop arti?

[keen mauve]

Yes it does

its like 0.03% or something like that

[feral karma]

Can we please change the weeklies to not require exact rarity, this is so shit.

No one enjoys playing trash game modes hoping to get green versions of treasure.

[cinder oxide]

why are there no uncommon capes 🤔

[brittle barn]

Got a Bloodthirst from a barb thanks to that mechanic today 😂

[brittle barn]

Yeah had a fighter steal a geared barbs kit that I killed cause I was too low HP to fight. The 🐱 just grabbed the kit and hit a blue

[sturdy surge]

needs to be done, questing in general is boring and tedious they should be doing anything they can to make it quicker and more accessible for the players who don't grind 24/7

[lapis tinsel]

Does anyone know which mods (stats) I need to have with the item in hand for it to count?

For example, the lute instrument; it has knowledge, but that knowledge only counts if you have it in your hand.

[feral karma]

Yeah, time limited quests should never have requirements that are based around RNG Drops, it's a horrible experience,sub-boss/boss drops should be removed from the daily/weekly quests as well.

[sturdy surge]

its just everything you hold in your hand ? i don't really get your question

[lapis tinsel]

@sturdy surge

[sturdy surge]

Yeah? Any weapons/instruments with rolls have to be held out for you to get them @lapis tinsel

[elfin fern]

game laggy af for anyone else

[lapis tinsel]

Attributes, do you mean dex, str, agility, knowledge, and the others?

[elfin fern]

yes

[lapis tinsel]

oooh, ok, thanks maaan

[rough tulip]

man i cant tell you how fucking shitty this game in gobs in so fucking bugging loosing everything bc of it

[hollow compass]

Does anyone know how much a Fulgor typically sells for?

[feral karma]

Try the collectors, or trade chat.

[hexed root]

Game crashed and now says payment verfication failed? anyone else? Happened right as a random rogue was chasing me.

[feral karma]

He pickpocketed your game copy.

[hexed root]

I knew it.

[feral karma]

Jokes aside, try verifying the game and if that doesn't sort it, close and reopen steam.

[hexed root]

trying now

thinking the servers are down. only time they ask me to re-login.

[lapis tinsel]

all rolls?

action speed, armor penetration, all

phys power..

[sturdy surge]

yes anything that has to be held out needs to be held out for you to benefit from them

so if your weapons/instruments have action speed you only get the action speed while holding it out

[hot walrus]

what are the highest sources of ap?

[sturdy surge]

I believe mini bosses and high rarity chestssss but best way is to hit red stairs down to hell cause you get ap for going down

[lapis tinsel]

Is there any status that makes the music faster?

[hot walrus]

ty friendo

[sturdy surge]

I think it scales with action speed so dexterity. And i think also resourcefulness im not certain

[wind cedar]

when is wipe again

[sturdy surge]

End of april for now

[sturdy surge]

Just action speed sorry not resourcefulness so you wanna stack dex and action. I'm assuming your running the perk to skip a beat too?

[feral karma]

Nothing says fun like playing PvE to get a green treasure for a trash quest, and all you're getting is blue and purple versions of it.

[little gazelle]

i cant even sell items in the lower price, wipe time

[silk sentinel]

did they buff druid????

[blazing bane]

Can you pull a name from the hoard when you kill warlord?

[silver void]

Theoretically, if you saw someone's name in the killfeed die to something, then that same person kills you long after they showed up in the killfeed... what would that be called?

[feral karma]

Was it solos?

[silver void]

Y e s.

[brittle barn]

No the last update to do with Druid was a nerf lol

[silver void]

Check #fighter

[feral karma]

They requeued and got the same lobby.

[silver void]

I sent a screenshot.

Ohhhhh... fr fr?

That can happen????

Huh..

[feral karma]

Mhm.

[silver void]

Well goddamn.

[spice violet]

I do it all the time (I'm trying to brute force learn bossing in PvE)
Getting put in the same lobby and finding my own body has happened too

[silver void]

Ohhhh..

Huh! Neat!

[ornate spear]

no, you cannot

only double boss rooms and key room piles

[silver void]

I honestly wish they could give us the option to autobuy potions and bandages.

[wind trout]

stamina system ?

[feral karma]

There isn't one.

[wind trout]

yeah why is that ?

[feral karma]

Because they didn't make one.

[wind trout]

they should

[feral karma]

Yeah, they shouldn't.

[sonic maple]

ztrue

[wind trout]

door to door without counterplay bcs you play a slower class sure is healthy

sorcs who have no movespeed penalty bcs they cast with there hands

rouge jumping throuh rooms pulling everything and escape which leaves you with nighmare army

[unique galleon]

yo can i talk to a knight

[silver void]

@wind trout ...

Do you WANT to get outplayed over and over because a rogue is able to out stamina you?

[feral karma]

You lose MS when casting.

[silver void]

Think about it lmao. With a stamina system, slower classes would STILL have a bad time.

[wind trout]

@silver void spellbook, crystalball, magic staff

you need them to cast

[silver void]

That's.. mana.

Do you seriously just mean a mana system for spell casters so they can't do the one thing they're made to do?

[wind trout]

@silver void not if stamina would be the same for all

[silver void]

Huh?

[wind trout]

rouges still have faster base speed but not constantly

or something like that

[silver void]

Do you mean.. stamina for running?

[wind trout]

yeah something like that

[silver void]

Slower classes would still mess up.

WAIT- okay so- higher base speed classes would need to use stamina to ACCESS that higher speed you mean?

[wind trout]

i have no concept example iam sry

thats why iam here

for discussion

[silver void]

This what you mean?

[wind trout]

bcs smth need to change

[silver void]

Is it like... Just running?

Because a stamina system would probably need to be put on each class if it's a movement thing.

[brittle barn]

They should add stamina, for fucking

[silver void]

Ayo.

[compact drift]

do u get ur gear back if u die in pve?

[silver void]

No

[brittle barn]

Barbs last the longest ofc

Rogues cant last more than 30s

[compact drift]

not even for a dc? 😐

[silver void]

Nope!

[compact drift]

bet

[brittle barn]

pretty sure goblin gives u ur shit back if u die in PVE

[wind trout]

lucky me this will be my last week on the game

[silver void]

Oh- right- I forgot he does that.

[thick lark]

what class should i play if my teammate is a plate fighter

[vapid oyster]

w/e you want lol

[warm kraken]

yes you get it all back from goblin merchant lol

[brittle barn]

Real talk when are we gonna reduce the size of fireball splash

Damage isnt the issue, the ability to hit it with your eyes closed is

[vapid oyster]

nevar

[compact drift]

I respect the attempt, i almost went to sleep without getting the stuff back

[feral karma]

How did you die?

[compact drift]

internet went on/off for a couple of mins with mobs on

[silver void]

My bad dude 😔

[feral karma]

Goblin Merchant will return your stuff, he also holds your stuff for two or three days now instead of less than an hour.

[compact drift]

ah bet

thank u papi

[feral karma]

[silver void]

Sweet!

They also changed how big the Expressman's inventory is when you're going down a level ):

I can't take out more than three chest pieces anymore 😔

Also the workshop thing is kinda based.

[mild pasture]

why dx11 is more stuttery than dx12 setting

[dusky spruce]

Probably because most of the optimization both on Ironmace's side, as well as Nvidia's, has been focused entirely on new GFX renderers, not old ones.

[mild pasture]

sad, i wish they optimized dx11 too

[dusky spruce]

They did at one point... but technology is sorta leaving it behind

Look on the plus side. By fall you'll be able to play dark and darker with DLSS 5's yaaaas filter

Aren't you looking forward to seeing every skeleton look like Steve Buscemi?

[gloomy sand]

so like

how many people are cheating in this game

we was fighting this team and killed them

but the other team we saw was no where near

as soon as we killed them the other team im pretty sure was eather teaming or cheating

and instantly thirded us and won cuz of it

they have to be ESPing like theres no way

[vapid oyster]

uh, getting 3rd partied means they're cheating?

[mild pasture]

i got rtx 2060 super, its not handling the game well

[dusky spruce]

That's a seven year old GPU which was mid range when it launched. Now is about the time you're going to start feeling it, unfortunately.

[mild pasture]

Yea unfortunately im poor to get new one yet, its still its reliable gpu i like it

[dusky spruce]

Just recently bit the bullet on getting a 5080. That hurt more than a little, but it does feel good to see the frames flow again.

[small wren]

anyoen get a dark enchanted fabric lately??

[kindred spoke]

I think there is an agro save system because Theres been too many times where I go invisible and then all the mobs lock back on to me.

whgich means invisibility potions make it so you can hide form mobs for 14 seconfds and then have them kill ur enemy

[stone panther]

got my first one in like a month yesterday. The drop rate has been rough. Beginning of the season i was getting one daily

[small wren]

do dark enchanted fab stioll drop from skele mages??? killed 40+ still no drop

[stone panther]

mages in castle, yeh

[small wren]

do they drop more in HR possibly?

[sturdy surge]

Does anyone know if cooldown reduction counts towards dreamwalk?

[kindred spoke]

I wish they'd post spell ranges to all spells instead of just a couple of them. Because obviously bind for cleric has a range broh.

[vague quest]

do any have their ranges listed in game?

[vague quest]

it does

[kindred spoke]

judgement has its range listed

sanctuaray has it listed

locust swarm also has it

I just don't see why all of the spells dont have ranges listed on them. I assume the bind spell is 5m range because I cant hit anyone across the map with it. It also doenst state if its an insta cast or not like warlock curses

[vague quest]

its hitscan

[kindred spoke]

at what range?

someone data mine the dark and darker files to find spell ranges

[dusty heart]

@broken egret

[broken egret]

Yeah

[low tendon]

vro

just got teamed on in high roller

two guys looting a hoard together then when i was spectating he pulled a nipalan from pile

[feral karma]

Did you record it?

[low tendon]

nah had to hard reset pc and i dont have clipping software downloaded

[feral karma]

Crazy.

[low tendon]

gettiung teamed on sucks and then the game threw in an artifact to rub it in

[feral karma]

Should get some clipping software.

[low tendon]

i keep forgetting

[feral karma]

If they were teaming it's bannable.

[spark kite]

i keep getting stuck in match in progress please wait while we reconnect

@dusky trout

[rough dirge]

Running into perma sorcs and just getting kitted to oblivion on plate classes. What're some good counters into pesky casters?

[analog summit]

6 meters . cleric class spell casting range. warlock 7m wizard 8m

[dark talon]

When are we planning on nerfing barb

[warm dock]

don't plz we need to make him way stronger ;p

[storm sphinx]

what is fulgor actually worth dont want to get screwed out of value

[dark talon]

Check how much ppl are paying in the collector discord I don’t got a link

[rigid field]

Mysterious potion can be dropped on pve mode?

[stone panther]

no
5% on norms, 10% on hr

[muted pebble]

just uuuse it 6 weeks till wipe

[pine hazel]

Are you by any chance a mod on a Discord server?

And also the ranger is only mid diff to use if your enemys only know the W

If the people you are fighting can use the A and D of their keyboards is very hard to use

Going like a tank

I preffer a lot more having a magic dps

Sorcerer and Wizard are the most simple stuff to use on this game

I played like 60-70 hours of each one

Its very boring

@agile tide

The single handed swords parry are like the longsword one?

With the cutlass it works good

But with the rapier I parry a lot

But dont actually get the parry hits

[warm kraken]

Yappatron

[pine hazel]

And the hitbox is also weird

[trim yoke]

Think*

[echo sparrow]

hey i got a wander light and why is it so damn expensive and is it actually any good

[pine hazel]

whats that

[echo sparrow]

some buffed lantern

[pine hazel]

aahhh

[echo sparrow]

got it from metal theet mimic

[pine hazel]

idk

They use it only for the buffs it can have

[granite bluff]

Doesnt it let you see other player footsteps like rangers chase perk?

[echo sparrow]

ye

[granite bluff]

If so vrry good

[pine hazel]

people see a +0.1 and say Yeaaaahh +2000 gold on market!!!!

[echo sparrow]

i would not pay 25k for that

[crimson beacon]

if a ranger has cleared mobs and has many doors open they're hard to beat

[granite bluff]

Many would, say you play barbarian… now you have chase perk on your weapon 2 slot as a lantern

[pine hazel]

That thing is very useless actually

[crimson beacon]

actaully pointess chasing them

[pine hazel]

the good thing is the improved sound range

but the steps

for a ranger

is not that good

[granite bluff]

To each their own!

[trim yoke]

It is good rogue's cant do shit against you

[pine hazel]

yeah

but its easy to predict rogues

i never feel that like a real need

theres also a item

[trim yoke]

True

[granite bluff]

I mean reason it sells is cuz it is good lol

[pine hazel]

its like a magic sand bag

it reveals all the rogues on the range

its funny asf to use

[granite bluff]

Being able to see where ppl have run is advantageous

Esp if you already have a lantern anyways

[pine hazel]

The wizard have a top spell too

[granite bluff]

Now you just pulling out wanderlight

[pine hazel]

its a light ball thar reveals all the invisible people in like 5 meters away

[granite bluff]

Doesnt show footsteps lol

[pine hazel]

for like 10 seconds or more

[pine hazel]

it shows the people

[granite bluff]

Cool

Light orb serves a different purpose

Wanderlight is for chasing ppl down…. Light orb is to find a stationary invis person

[pine hazel]

Ye

but i say it

the rogues are usually very easy to predict when invi

they always do the same

[granite bluff]

Doesnt matter what you say, its a poor addition to this discussion abt whether wanderlight is useful

[trim yoke]

Yea + you can hear them

[pine hazel]

I think its expensive

so its not good for that prize

[granite bluff]

It’s expensive for a reason

[pine hazel]

Buying a 25k item to see people steps when u have like 2 or 3 better options dosent feel like a smart buy

at least for me

[trim yoke]

Agreed

[pine hazel]

I mean, u can litt just hear the footsteps lmao

[granite bluff]

Depending on your class, you dont have an option similar to Wanderlight’s effect….

[alpine storm]

Quick question for farming spectral as a bard what has more dps if u can keep hitting. Rondel or rapier with bard perk

[pine hazel]

You have it

your ears

[trim yoke]

Rapier with the perk i think

[granite bluff]

I agree wanderlight can be foregone, you dont NEED it…. But its a useful luxury regardless of whether its worth it to you specifically

[pine hazel]

and also

[alpine storm]

Thx

[pine hazel]

having a lantern makes you a walking bullseye

i think every class can buy the magic sand bags

[granite bluff]

If you care abt that… many ppl play aggressively dont care abt being a walking bullseye

[pine hazel]

In a game that is 50% darkness i see it as a important thing

but yea

if you are a W dude you dont care abt that

[granite bluff]

Again wanderlight lantern gives any class ability to see where a team has walked thru…. Weird to say use your ears lol… when they would be modules away…. Think you’re hung up on it only being used to find invis rogues which is really not its only use

[hollow loom]

play with max gamma ?

[pine hazel]

it looks very dark too

i remember that one time i say like 3 guys over eachother on a corner shadow

[hollow loom]

some spots ture but over all helped me alot

new player here:P

[wicked anchor]

Is there a current test server and if so how do you get it?

[granite bluff]

Have you played trios or duos? Yeah many ppl play aggressively and arent hiding lol…. Also its lantern… if you wanna hide then put it away or take out other weapon lol

[pine hazel]

idk buddy

[granite bluff]

Its clear that you dont know lol

[pine hazel]

my teammates usually think before pushing people

maybe hr is full of braindead people

idk

[granite bluff]

Yeah put lantern away… thats thinking before pushing in the dark

If you’re pushing then you already know where they are too, you can put wanderlight away cuz you already used it following their footsteps

[pine hazel]

W and click

[granite bluff]

More like locate the enemy, and then push

[pine hazel]

i see people i push that people for front

holy moly

good for me that i dont play hr

sounds like a arena round

[deep helm]

God no

[pine hazel]

At least for me ranger is the most diff class

you actually need to think what u do to survive a single pvp

[deep helm]

but archery is probably one of the easiest weapons to use

[pine hazel]

Nah

[deep helm]

it could be my 17 years of fps games speaking but archery is pretty easy. Especially with how you dont have to actually draw the bow and can just click and it draws it perfectly everytime. Then also the fact that there is no penalty for moving too much

[pine hazel]

its very easy to dodge

[deep helm]

we went from longbow meta to now a quick fire one with bows

may be easy to dodge but when 10 are fired off in seconds and the reload is fast af

[pine hazel]

Its good

but compared to magic

its worse

for me

[deep helm]

depends the magic tho

[pine hazel]

Magic is very versatile

[deep helm]

warlock there can be a case made

cleric no

wizard depends the build

sorc no

[pine hazel]

Cleric is my favorite class

but i wish the protection spell was like a big shield

not a single person one

like the Reinhard shield

thats cool

[deep helm]

thatd be busted busted and i dont think the devs and their spaghetti code can do that

[pine hazel]

Cleric can be cool asf

but they dont have creativity

[deep helm]

rn cleric has monk and paladin mixed into it

so cleric isnt really cleric which makes it hard to properly play like a cleric

[pine hazel]

Cleric with single person shield

wtf is that

[deep helm]

like u need absurd amounts of magic healing to even be worth bringing over a druid

id rather have a druid healing than a cleric ngl

[pine hazel]

Cleric needs a big rework

ranger also needs it

but ranger needs a rework to have more firearms perks and stuff

[deep helm]

what they need to do is finally add paladin and monk and make cleric well cleric

[pine hazel]

yeah

when u try to make evertything good

you make nothing and bad

[deep helm]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/701215/archery-needs-to-be-more-realistic this is my take on archery rn

[keen jay]

Game still trash?

[deep helm]

always

[pine hazel]

100%

[keen jay]

Fck sdf

This was the best game in beta

[pine hazel]

I just want a lot of perks and abilities to make handcannon builds spec

[deep helm]

im abt to say one of the most controversial things i have ever said, nerf weapon mastery

[pine hazel]

I just want firearms perks

[deep helm]

well isnt handcanon new to this season

[pine hazel]

and a big shield for protection spell

no more

i cry every time i remember how shit they did the protection spell

that can be so cool men

[fringe garnet]

Weapon Mastery should only be for ranged and magic, Fighters should have melee weapons innately

[deep helm]

weapon mastery should make you choose either a class of weapons or a character class to be profient in

[pine hazel]

yeah

a lot of fighters only go running and spaming crosbow

its cringe asf

[deep helm]

there is one worse tho, running a one handed sword with the cyclops crystal

[pine hazel]

fighter should be a only meele class

they need to define the classes

dont making a class be All-In-One

do 1 thing and do it good

[deep helm]

really depends what fighter we r talking about bc then u get into sub classes and i wish i had my dnd handbook rn lol

[pine hazel]

i mean that u cant make a class that can do anything

at least place a limit

[long hornet]

You main barb… now you want fighters nerfed and rangers nerfed ? Good god, you still out here coping a different day. Barb needs nerfed before anything else

[timber imp]

make fighter able to shoot fireballs and then he'll truly be able to anything

[pine hazel]

you can use range weapons but you cant use plate armor

[pine hazel]

For example

[edgy sable]

Get out there and do your chores!

[deep helm]

fighter is always been S tier and a top 3 bc he can do everything, why dont u get off my ya know and go do something else. We were having a nice convo a second ago

[pine hazel]

I dont want a 200 kg tank full in the heavist armor ever made shooting me 20 arrows x second

[long hornet]

Ah yes, when people agree with you it’s nice. Even though all you do is complain, when your class needs it more than any other class. Barb has been S tier always. Above fighter.

[timber imp]

Slayer is the perk without plate right? whats the issue with ranged weapon for a fighter :/

[deep helm]

god no, barb has been D or C tier most of its life

[fallow blaze]

barbarian might be stronger melle than fighter, but fighter has so much more utility than barb, its not even close fighter > barbarian

[deep helm]

i told u last night that it used to be a barb would take an S tier line up and make it C tier real fast

[quick fern]

thats why solos is all barbs cuz its really bad right

[pine hazel]

Its stupid to have 1 class that can do all

[deep helm]

didnt say its bad rn, said its been bad most its life

[pine hazel]

at least without big nerfs for each subclass

if u want to go with a range weapon

you cant go with heavy armor

its not that bad

[quick fern]

barb beats every class in the 1v1s most of its life*

[pine hazel]

you want to be a light or a heavy fighter

but being the 2 times at the same time is op asf

[long hornet]

Bro said yesterday that he is a pve player who avoids pvp because he always loses. So he wants all classes nerfed while playing the easiest class 😂 shitters like that control balancing too. Sad af

[deep helm]

no no it hasnt

[deep helm]

never said i avoid it bc i loose lol

[quick fern]

skill issue

[pine hazel]

its only a skill thing

[deep helm]

fighters beat it, range beats it, for a while magic was super meta and beat it

[timber imp]

Remember they said they were gonna update other classes too? Why not wait on that instead of asking for a balance change at the moment?

[pine hazel]

you can do it if your enemy is worse than u

[quick fern]

barb can beat most classes while missing swings

you just real bad

[pine hazel]

We need differentiated clases

not all in 1 shit

they need to differentiate the subclasses

[deep helm]

now it can

[long hornet]

You have potion chugger and iron will. You lose to a caster, you’re ass with bad positioning.l2p

[quick fern]

literally nothing changed

[deep helm]

thats a bold statement cotton

[quick fern]

barb actually has less vigor and weaker perks and abilities

its weaker and still wins

[deep helm]

dont even run those

[pine hazel]

barb need a nerf

[long hornet]

Oh noooo my 170+ hp, high pdr, high mdr, high damage, high ms can’t kill someone its other classes! They’re busted!

[pine hazel]

90% of barbs just press w and click

and still having a big win rate with that

for me it needs a nerf

[deep helm]

i wont disagree barb needs a slight nerf but this is the first time in a long time ive seen them meta and run a lot. Compare to other classes barb has had one of the lowest times in the sun

[long hornet]

Fighters and barb mains genuinely have some of the lowest iq of all people. Most of what they say just sounds like utter stupidity

[upbeat plank]

2 BT lost to teamers yesterday. They got banned but fuck man that gear is just gone

[deep helm]

Wizard, Warlock, Sorc, Fighter, Ranger have all alone had more meta time than barb

[pine hazel]

They just need to buff all the weak classes

when all is good all is fun

[deep helm]

id do what rivals is about to do and nerf everyone and then rebuild from there

[pine hazel]

They just need to make it like deadlock

all is good in their single works

[quick fern]

if youre talking about solos barb and rogue have been on top since before there were seasons until now

[deep helm]

make everyone on equal grounds and then buff and nerf from there bc as is, every buff or nerf they make typically swings a meta towards or away from that class

[pine hazel]

The actual meta is just * try to counter fighter in x way *

[deep helm]

ive been mostly a duos and trios most my play time, i just began maining solos this season and i havent come across too many barbs, a good bunch but not many and im in hr typically

[pine hazel]

thats the biggest problem for me

[long hornet]

Equal where? Barbs runs solos. Barb has 22 warlords. Sorcerer has 0. Barb has more warlords than most classes. So all the classes you complain about need buffs then huh?

[deep helm]

fighter has always been S tier, sometimes SS tier

[pine hazel]

They just need to make ALL S tier

its not that hard

[deep helm]

r u not even reading?
Like bro what I said was make all classes equal by doing a nerf to everyone. Make everyone on equal footing

[pine hazel]

Not a nerf

[deep helm]

its also 20 warlords

[pine hazel]

they need to buff all to the same place

[quick fern]

sorc isnt allowed to be good its too toxic to play against like druid

[pine hazel]

The only thing is

[long hornet]

If we made everything equal, disarm never would have changed, or all silences would be gone because they’re to same thing, silence is even worse. Its insta death and can be used from range

[pine hazel]

dont make a class that can solo an entire good working team

all classes needs to be S tier

but with teamwork

not solo shit

[long hornet]

Don’t make a class that can miss 5 swings and still 1 shot someone at low hp. That’s just dumb and skilless

[sturdy coral]

man trios is so fun thanks for the reminder i'm gonna play squires later

[deep helm]

i still dont thinnk u r really reading what anyone says bc again u have cherry picked what i said to fit ur arguement

[pine hazel]

The devs of this game remembers me the CEO of that one Smiling Friends episode

they do 900 things to * balance *

what they only need to make all the classes S tier on their works

and separate the cleric

its cleric not a monk-paladin

[quick fern]

wym cleric is op rn in trios

[long hornet]

You have no argument or leg to stand on. You don’t play the game seriously, you do pve and lose all your pvp fights. You have 0 idea about balancing

[deep helm]

the game is in a state rn where if you buff something most likely it becomes meta, while if you nerf it, it drops out of meta. When this happens normally you either make everyone super OP (not the best option) or you nerf everyone and rebuild from there

[long hornet]

Sorc was already mid and got nerfed 3 patches in a row. Devs do whatever they want

[pine hazel]

SORCERER MID?¿???

what game are u playing broski

that shit is the peak of spell spam mfs

[deep helm]

u still cant read? Never have i once stated i lose every fight. I win a majority i take but this pvp in the game is kind of meh and id rather spend my time getting gold and having fun

season 1-3 magic boys were the penicle of meta and OP

[alpine storm]

does anyone have an updated chart of faustan bargain mob spawn rep requirement

[long hornet]

? Their’s literally 2 sorcerer mains that people know. 0 warlord, every other class is easier. Only great sorcs make you think the class is good. They’re way way worse this season

[alpine storm]

thats true sorc can be rlyyy goood but the skill cap its insane

[deep helm]

i dont remember the last time i saw a sorc

tbh if seasons 1-3 didnt happen i wouldnt even know they were in the game

[quick fern]

sorcs issue is its fighter barb meta and they dont do anything to help fighter and barb

[long hornet]

I’d rather be a squire barb than a blue bus sorc anyday. It’s 10x easier. Even killing leggos isn’t hard as squire barb

[pine hazel]

You are deff playing a diff game

holy

[alpine storm]

does anyone have an updated chart of faustan bargain mob spawn rep requirement

[long hornet]

? Streamers in full legendarys die to squire barbs daily. What are you smoking

[pine hazel]

What is bro talking about

[deep helm]

let us have our time in the sun, last time barb was busted they were nerfed a weak later. I will say we r in need of a slight nerf. Fighter is the real problem tho, nerf barb too much and we see 20 fighters in a 10 person lobby

[quick fern]

fighter always has the most warlords and barbs always the best solo class

[deep helm]

fighter has never not been S tier or a top 3 and its sad asf

[glad eagle]

does antimagic remove dmg from warlock spell cost ?

[deep helm]

i would put money on fighter has seen more SS tier time than S tier time

[quick fern]

just like barb in solos

[deep helm]

barb in solos is good now but i remember a time when they werent and i would actively chase barbs down bc i knew it was a free kill

[quick fern]

literally never

[night citrus]

are not all the quests out?

[deep helm]

most are out, like 90%

[night citrus]

I seen on the wiki there are goblin merchant quest and tavern master for torch skin and emote but i got them all done and the quest isnt proc'd

[deep helm]

season 1 - 3 i know, play tests barb was goated, there was a weak during i tihnk season 3 when barb was OP OP and then nerfed again

[quick fern]

the only thing barb is dying to is rogue if they get caught without their weapon out

[deep helm]

season 1 - 3 anyone with a bow and magic boys ruled the game

not just wiz and warlock either, sorc was goated too

[alpine storm]

dont htink so cuz i think its true dmg

[quick fern]

you mean back when barb could kill people just using a torch

casters were deff having a great time fs

[long hornet]

I can’t tell if Barb mains are just genuinely bad at the game, or coping. You put any squishy class main on Barb, they just run lobbies with ease. So boring

[quick fern]

bro literally just said barb was weak in seasons they were stronger with a torch than most of the classes

wcyd

[deep helm]

the meta in those seasons were magic and range and it wasnt even close

[pine hazel]

Thats just boring

its all hit and run

[deep helm]

u could not play a game without running across a full team of magic boys or fighter or a ranger

[pliant valley]

u guys know what will catch their attention if ur not happy with balancing is just not play for a week or so. i don't believe devs care as much about complaints as they do falling numbers

[deep helm]

itd have to be a month so the steam charts update

[pliant valley]

not too bad, there's other things to do for a month

[deep helm]

oh for sure but at this point we already know the devs dont care and are a few brains cells missing away from being dumber than a sponge

[pliant valley]

^

LUL

either they change for the better or they boost prices again to make up for it

prob the later

[deep helm]

i was about to say lol

what did it used to be? Was like 20 or 15?

[pliant valley]

15

[deep helm]

so they dbl prices bc they lost like 75% of their playbase

smart move

[pliant valley]

Brilliant!

[deep helm]

dont u ever think that somedays the devs r actually trying to kill the game

[pliant valley]

idk, milking it for sure

[deep helm]

like either fix it or let it die

[pliant valley]

i'm pretty sure they use some AI, so from what i have read up on, it's pretty much copy drag to files for the dev team

AI uses the player data and tries to fix things

[agile tide]

Cutlass parry is much better than rapier imo, I use it all the time

[deep helm]

bc Ai is so great

[pliant valley]

Cutlass is a pretty good parry weapon also

[solemn onyx]

guys anyone can teach me how i can get acesse DND server tests to pratice the bosses?

[gray urchin]

I only see landmine rogues in ruins, it is absolut cancer, i can only camp on graveyard, no good fights 🙁 just had a lobby with 5 rogues one barbarian, and they all play landmine :´( please remove this it is so cancer no fun at all

[cosmic trench]

actually ban cheaters instead of temp bans and letting them buy new accounts its called ban evasion be smarter

we all know who they are region lock them or something ffs

[gray urchin]

another question, when bard drinks his ale to heal, do they have the same movement speed as with hands out?

[cosmic trench]

got farmers out here 3 manning in hr east coast servers with names like xofdf890

they sniff you out with 3rd party cheats that are obvious to anyone and get temp banned just to evade and make ironmace more money reall freakin cool

REGION LOCK FFS

GAME WILL DIE CAUSE ANTI CHEATS ARE A LITERAL JOKE

JUST A BUNCH OF FATMERS ANYMORE PLAYING UNFAIR

HOW MUCH IS IRON MACE GETTING ON THE KICK BACK FROM CHEATERS, MUST BE A GOOD PAY OU T

RMT IIS CASH MONEY TO THEM

A LITERAL JOKE

LVL 29S WITH FRESH KITS CAUSE IRON MACE DOESNT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT

THEY JUST LET RMT AND CHEATERS BUY NEW GAMES AND DO THE SAME THING

AND WONDDER WHY THEY CANT KEEP A CONSISTANT PLAYER BASE

I LOVE LOSING GEAR TO PEOPLE WHO DONT PLAY FAIR SO DOES IRON MACE CAUSE MY REPORT MAKES THEM MORE MONEY.

THE LESSER EVIL IS STILL EVIL CASH GRABBIN PUNKS

10 AM ON A WEEKDAY AND THEIR ARE MORE FORIEGN IN EASTERRN SERVERS THEN ACTUAL EASTERN PLAYERS BUT THATS OK RIGHT IRONMACE

SINCE ALL THE PLAYERS FROM THAT REGION GET DIFFED BY BETTER CHEATERS THEY JUST HOP TO EAST AND WEST AND FARM ACTUAL PLAYERS TRYING TO PLAT

[charred veldt]

Issue with region locking is that you can't escape dead servers

At least in my case I wouldn't even be able to play arena

[broken cove]

You could remove region lock for arena

[cosmic trench]

ONE SERVER AND NOT EVEN AUSTRALIA SHOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH NEEDS LOCKED IN ITSS OWN CAGE

[quaint forge]

how much is worth chest right now ?

[hollow bobcat]

i like sdf and graysun they are making all the right choices with this game and i love it

[broken cove]

Also you dont need to region lock Australia, just Asia

[broken cove]

The current choice is cancel everything, release console version, make $, ditch game for new project

[cosmic trench]

YEAH ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY WHICH IS WHY ITS A PROBLEM

TEMP BANNING IS A JOKE

AND NO BAN EVASION JUST BUY NEW COPY

[hollow loom]

well if you work you want to get payed to right

[hollow bobcat]

press caps lock pls bro

both of you

switch anger

[cosmic trench]

I DONT BLAME DEVS

THEY JUST DO AS THEY ARE TOLD

[charred veldt]

Bro

It's a little early to be crashing out

[broken cove]

Well playtest 2 they shouldve sold the game to a bigger studio and moved on to a new project, but korean pride is succeed or die trying so

[hollow bobcat]

iron mace should buy the wii sports ip

[charred veldt]

Don't ya think?

[broken cove]

Oh i hope I'm wrong but when im not, I want to be right

[cosmic trench]

yeah well first two games was getting teamed on by fsd67 and xxber657 so i mean im already over wanting to play

im just saying making your money off of selling copies of the game to cheaters shouldnt be your marketing method

[broken cove]

No one else is buying the game

[cosmic trench]

youre right cheaters dont buy in bulk

maybe come out with battle paasses or something if you need the money people would pay for them they pay for the stupid skin bundles and emotes

[charred veldt]

imo the issue with the game is that it has really bad player retention

[cosmic trench]

actually perma ban cheaters

[charred veldt]

Like, you gotta be into harcore sh!t like Rust or ARK PvP to somewhat like the game

[cosmic trench]

bc end game can be done within a month

[charred veldt]

Then spend the time to learn every mob, the rooms, locations, boss patterns etc

[cosmic trench]

and rmt is a problem

[charred veldt]

Then do every quest to get... Better squire and almost inconsequential equipment?

[cosmic trench]

why grind when you can scan moms credit card for a bis kit

[charred veldt]

I can proudly say this wipe I've gotten 3 artifacts just by myself

Without getting a single one before

but I'm slightly burnt out already

New lava boss turned into an unparriable DPS check

[random sinew]

What amount of Phys power+ does it take to get an extra phys damage essentially? There an equation or something someone knows to calculate that?

[charred veldt]

And it's not good game design if you gotta deepthroat pots like bonnie blue to stay alive

[cosmic trench]

bro after the two back to back teaming in solo runs i had this morning i might just go back to tarkov and call it a wrap maybe play arena when its out but thats it. this is an ongoing problem and they dont seem to care to fix it

[charred veldt]

If I was on the balance team I'd make actually interesting craftable weapons

For the mana sphere I'd give it a lot more true magical, like 4 or 5, in turn taking away the same amount of magical damage and 2 more

for the demon's glee I'd take away the physical damage and put it all into magical

for the goofy ass golden book I'd make it so that barbs and rogues cannot use it (barbs can't even read)

and then turn all the weapon damage into divine weapon damage

keep it unable to cast, and adjust the damage accordingly

so casters like wizard could use it to clear better, maybe making the damage type uncompatible with faithfulness from cleric but keeping the divine properties and will/add mag scaling

[cosmic trench]

gear actually feels better than it has for a while like you can actually win fights even if gear is a little under par but that doesnt help for modes like solo when you are fighting two people who are teaming to have an unfair advantage and even when they get banned its not satisfying to see that its a temp and they will do it again

[charred veldt]

I'd make a new artifact for the lava boss this wipe

A... Pavise artifact let's say

With a built in lava auto counter and a sh!t ton of blocking power

Or a lava bardiche that threw the lava boss lava pellets with each swing, dealing some damage, burning and knockback

Then I'd put bosses on artifact rotations

Instead of having the wipe perma on x3 only for GK and wyvern, imagine every week a special NPC that told you about rumors of some bosses

and that those were x3 for a week

I'd give the tavernmaster an actual service tab

[cosmic trench]

game will never hit like it did in playtest 4 if i had the choice id take it back to the og days when the game was great ....which was right before they released

[charred veldt]

So you can craft the instruments yourself with different quality woods and something else

And then at max quality a type of craftable "Pseudo artifacts" instruments

the banshee's sonnet's gotta be the most underwhelming item in the game

you only farm it ONCE to get a tome of the fairies for arena and it's not even that good

[cosmic trench]

anything they add to the game thats new just fuels rmt more and more

[charred veldt]

imagine a cursed instrument series each crafted with a banshee's sonnet, 5 purple logs, 300 gold and etc

[loud osprey]

Guys, what do you think if multiclassing were added to the game, but it was limited to two allowed skills/perks/spells? Also, banning multiclassing of certain perks/skills, like allowing no one but a Cleric to use Smite, or no one but a Fighter to use Weapon Mastery?

[charred veldt]

for the flute if you used shriek of weakness you could put the targets on mute like the 7th soul effect from banshee's, but also muting your game too for half the duration or a third of it

then for the drum it could have 50% extra range and effects

in exchange, you take some damage after performing

[cosmic trench]

multiclassing would be fun if casters could switch and phys damage characters could switch minus a few things like you said

[charred veldt]

the lute could have a CRAZY cast speed, in exchange taking away 10 knowledge

and the Lyre could be completely silent

[cosmic trench]

but thats tricky cause warlocks are like hybrids

[charred veldt]

with no sound at all

and in exchange lyre songs takes twice as long to cast

The quality of those could range from legendary to unique as per their effects

[cosmic trench]

so like a crystal sword fighter with boc would be ok and warlock and cleric could take phys dmg character perks

[loud osprey]

Yes, it's difficult, but I think it would add interest to the game.

[cosmic trench]

that was a fun concept but some things were kinda busted

like a rogue with a windlass landmine

[charred veldt]

Then add some armor set bonus for craftable armors

if you have all the pieces you get a good effect

for rubysilver could be extra PDR, and so on

[cosmic trench]

kinda like diablo get special armour pieces that add bonus depending on how many pieces you had

[charred veldt]

Yeah yeah

That would increase build variety a LOT

make banshee an actual worth boss

[cosmic trench]

i mean cool concept again but it would be meta abused to getting nerfed to the point it wouldnt be worth i feel

[charred veldt]

give crafted weapons a special gimmick that can change the playstyle of a class

I mean

with enough drawbacks it can stay strong

Look at current dark offering warlock

It's technically the strongest build in the game

[cosmic trench]

yeah old one was more fun but also more op

[edgy sable]

guys i turned on my stream and then people watched it and figured out where i was ?!

[charred veldt]

How many viewers you got? 12?

I don't think someone went to stream snipe

if you don't have at least 200

[edgy sable]

Sorry I was just making fun of streamers

[strong dawn]

then they can make another artifact that summons tornadoes and kills the entire dungeon

[pure trout]

Can someone explain why I cant place my fking trap as ranger?

it just wont let me

[edgy sable]

Anywhgere?

[whole blade]

anyone know when valentine is gone? trying to finish the 3x bag quest but 5 rose short

[pure trout]

it cant be placed

like it wont let me UNLESS

i switch 6 times with the campfire

like in the hotbar

then i might place 1 trap

[clear pendant]

ppl flexing religion skin at the same time they are playing normals with squire gear

[night geyser]

can you get gold coin bags from pve piles?

[edgy sable]

flexing the religion skin is like 'i paritcipated in doing this really grindy mechanic thats not very good' . kinda a self own

[simple sable]

whens end of season?

[stoic ridge]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/700598/make-the-skill-tree-pve-based-so-it-doesnt-affect-balancing-of-pvp-at-all

Upvote if you want a pve based skill tree so we get some other form of progression!

[stoic ridge]

I got the religion skin in the first week lol. Its not a grind at all this season

Not to mention, a lot of people seem to forget that religion was originally supposed to be mostly for RP purposes before they kinda killed player interaction in the dungeon. It was meant go be used as a way to team up or even to get someone to spare your life. When they decided to ban teaming, and essentially kill any friendly player interaction in the dungeon, they had to half assedly change religion too.

[stoic ridge]

Also annoying that one of you commented on this without reading it at all.

The reading comprehension of this discord is definitely abhorrent.

[vague quest]

i literally coulda gotten it on day 2 if i had wanted

[vague quest]

end of april for wipe
so season end probs mid april

[stoic ridge]

I dont think I played the first couple days.

I killed hr wyvern a couple times, got 2 artis, sold them for 2 specs each and then sold them all for 70k a pop.

I have held 0 bags this season. Just have a character with 4 stashes filled with coin purses

And just bought other things with gold that I thought would be good investments

[clear pendant]

no way, you loot pile and chests?

[fallow blaze]

why can people jump in the void in ice abyss to revocer items instead of fighting, thats so stupid

[marble warren]

why do you get to fight them just because you saw them?

[gloomy sand]

just got notifyed they got banned lol

they hid there friends gear and took ours and then got banned the next day lol

such losers

[signal sundial]

They shouldn't be able to, if someone is doing that it is because they are trying to deny someone the gear they are wearingb

[marble warren]

and hoping to get as much back as possible from Gobbo

[fallow blaze]

exactly

gobbo returning stuff from void is nonsense

[signal sundial]

Gobbo doesn't bring back your loot if you die to the void, they made that change seasons ago

[marble warren]

They changed it back dawg

[fallow blaze]

they do

[signal sundial]

What when?

[marble warren]

this season

[fallow blaze]

yep

[signal sundial]

Wild

[marble warren]

and no, Shefasf, you getting upset because you didn't get the kill is the nonsense lol

[signal sundial]

I must of missed that in the patch notes

[marble warren]

They made gobbo not work for any PvP modes, when they changed it back for this season, they added recovery from deaths to void

people still used void to deny before that change tho, so

[signal sundial]

Yeah honestly just don't pvp in the rooms you can void jump and you should be good, if they can run and do that to you before you can kill them that's kind unfortunately bad fight positioning. It's like fighting someone closer to a blue Portal

[vapid oyster]

/rolleyes

[signal sundial]

You just got to treat the void as a questionable but possible place to "extract"

[vapid oyster]

goblin recovery is dumb af

[marble warren]

it's not, but you're allowed your incorrect opinion

[vapid oyster]

baby mode

[marble warren]

says the person crying about recovery

[vapid oyster]

[fallow blaze]

do you know where wyvern is

[marble warren]

sounds like you tried to gank someone bossing, and they jumped instead of give you their gear.

[signal sundial]

Yeah the boss has a quick escape that let's people reset but not get stuff out, doesn't sound so bad to me

[stoic ridge]

It definitely should only recover void items in pve

[lofty plover]

With Socketing, Workbench and crafting. What are the thoughts on removing high end gear from the market?? Tarkov implemented a similar system that felt effective to end of wipe enjoyment

[signal sundial]

People are constantly asking for ways to ignore pvp when they want to pve.

[marble warren]

Nah, it's even better that it makes people mad

[stoic ridge]

Thats the kind of mad that makes players quit a game because of bad mechanics.

But you have the word rqfe in your name. So I know youre just rage baiting lol def a good one.

[marble warren]

You'd quit the game because other people get their gear back?

[signal sundial]

Honestly not a bad idea, but where would you limit it to? Lots of quest items are purple you can buy on market, but I imagine that being able to buy purples for arena kits makes alot of people pretty happy

[marble warren]

you sound very sad bud.

[stoic ridge]

Nahhh, market is half the fun of playing this game long term

Ssf is fun for the first 2 weeks, then it just gets tedious

This season has been so fun because its been so easy to get a decent kit. But still need to grind if you want a really cool kit.

[pine hazel]

survival bow is the cancer of this game

Is like the spell spam but more cringe

[marble warren]

Best middle ground would probably be keeping all crafting mats and quest items on market, but remove actual gear

[stoic ridge]

Its more accessible to casual players then ever, and its not nearly as tilting to lose a decent kit

They arent going to do that. This game isn't like tarkov in that respect and removing gear off the market in any regard would be a mistake

[vapid oyster]

losing kits is part of the game

free outs from pvp are just lame

[lofty plover]

@signal sundial Well my thought process is leave the market open to all crafting items, etc. limit pier to pier to help fight off RMTers. and for arena i feel that it's core game should not effect the market.... ARENA ruins the games economy. If you're familiar with tarkov, you can customize gear, level up your gear earned. It should be a whole different system.

[vapid oyster]

the finally put a gate on the reds but you can save your gear by jumping off a cliff

[stoic ridge]

Tbf there is only 1 map its possivle on. Welllll 2 i guess if you count the tiny hole in inferno

[vapid oyster]

both ice maps

[stoic ridge]

And there's really no good way for them to change the reds in ice caves without changing the mechanic to a door. Which would be lame

[stoic ridge]

Top ice map you can at least chase

[marble warren]

people escaping your PvP is part of the game too. you aren't entitled to the kill just because you saw someone.

[vapid oyster]

if the void is red you can chase but it's still a free escape

[signal sundial]

Not sure I agree with it ruining it, it does make a weird curve of item cost where some of the high value loot items are not necessarily the best items, it does make getting gold alot easier

[lofty plover]

@signal sundial I'm not the best player in dark and darker, and my trio group probably gets rolled more times then not (yes i know... skill issue) but if i want to run any of the purple craftables. I have to pay the ARENA price. Where as if the gearing system was entirely different and not effected by in game loot. I wouldn't have a default demons glee be 5-6k gold lol. You could easily earn currency per win, have weekend quests that come, and whole crafting system in place specifically for arena. and for all the min maxers out there, you could add a re roll system at the cost of the arena currecy your earned

[pine hazel]

Nah

[stoic ridge]

I've played almost every wipe of this game. And this wipe has felt the best in terms of my kits feeling valuable, while still being replaceable

[pine hazel]

Is just that the game is bad made in that way

People just spam shit and run

Thats the usual pvp

[stoic ridge]

Just ignore that dude lol. He's literally got rage in his name

[pine hazel]

?

[marble warren]

more crying because you feel entitled to kills. wild take

[signal sundial]

100% it's super easy to get a kit that feels great

[stoic ridge]

Tbh for a lot of the bis arena craftables you can just save a ton of money by making them. Weaponsmith entire quest line takes maybe like 2 hours to do?

[pine hazel]

I dont even know what entitled means buddy

[stoic ridge]

The dude making the obvious shitty take with the name rage in his name is rage baiting

[marble warren]

and yet you're still acting like it...

[marble warren]

the shit takes are crying over not getting to kill everything you see in dungeon

[pine hazel]

Name rage

What are u talking about

Seriosly

[stoic ridge]

Yup, but its still feels cool splurging 50k for a full unique kit

[pine hazel]

chronically online stuff

[marble warren]

He thinks because my name has "Rage" in it, that I'm rage baiting. room temp IQ dawg

[lofty plover]

see and i would say thats my issue, was the ease of getting the best gear in the game fully min maxed

[pine hazel]

Thats stupid asf

[stoic ridge]

Bro, the dude who is saying that being able to jump into the void is good for the game, has rage in his name. What is hard to undersrand

[signal sundial]

Also legendary items are far cheaper then the crafted items and often times are almost as good or even better than the crafted ones, especially if you gem them. Some crafted items really can't be replaced by legendary items but you can craft them with minimal effort in most cases

[stoic ridge]

He is ragebaiting using a shitty opinion lol

Jesus Christ some of yall need to go back to school to improve reading comprehension.

[pine hazel]

So having a diff op than u is having a shitty one, good words Plato

[marble warren]

People jumped even when gobbo recovery didn't work on void. it's just part of the game that you don't get to kill everyone you see. Even if they'd rather die and have everything on them poof.

[stoic ridge]

That jumping into the void to save your kit is good for the game? Yah thats a shitty opinion lol

[pine hazel]

Holy unemployment here

[stoic ridge]

Lmao

[pine hazel]

Not a bad thing btw

[stoic ridge]

It is 100%

[marble warren]

you're the one crying about people denying you kills/gear. It's actually kinda insane

[stoic ridge]

Mongos for sure

[pine hazel]

If im going to die for a spell spammer i dont want that guy to get my stuff at least

Not a bad thing

[marble warren]

we get it, you like complaining, and feel entitled to kill people.

[stoic ridge]

Mega mongo

[signal sundial]

I think it's good when wyvern is alive, let's those who are putting in the effort to do wyvern get out without being griefed too hard, would be cool if the void froze over after wyvern died so then you have to be at the top to get out. Limits when people can be griefed to only after the boss is dead

[pine hazel]

Speak human please

[lofty plover]

@signal sundial the arena thing wasn't my point. i feel like right now im burnt already, because everyone is just running min max BIS which I understand thats my own opinion and some people loves it. Looking back at this wipe, i feel like the first bits of wipe were the funnest for me. And with socketing, crafting, and now workshop. It might be nice and more rewarding to take highend gear off the market and when you kill someone who decided to run full legendaries fully socketed and crafted it be even more rewarding to kill them and take that loot. Because right now when i do get a kill the person is usually full BIS and im just like yea whatever. I can go do two runs on Maelstrom and buy this whole loadout

[pine hazel]

Survival spammers are so boring

Is hearing a survival and loosing all the desire to fight

They should change some stuff

The usual pvp is very boring

Its more like a Tom and Jerry episode

Hit and run

People dont actually fight

Especially the bards

Idk why

They have a strong set to 1v1

[marble warren]

definitely room temp eh?

[signal sundial]

Oh yeah I get that, I think you might just need to reevaluate what full bis is. Honestly if I kill someone in legendary only, I don't consider it bis anymore.

[lofty plover]

Its like why should i even farm, you can go buy 100k gold for what 4 dollars. for 4 dollars i'll be full BIS for the rest of the wipe because i can just use that gold to buy the best of the best gear

[pine hazel]

Whats that

[marble warren]

because RMT is for super lameo's

like, I couldn't live with myself if I had to RMT in nearly dead games like DaD just to feel good about myself

[lofty plover]

@marble warren yeah but wake up, the community is doing it whether its for lameos or not. Just because it's for lameos doesnt change that its an issue and happening everyday

[flat granite]

At that point, why even play? Just pay $4 for a png of a full stash and admire it

[marble warren]

and they should get banned. Doesn't mean you should advertise it.

[pine hazel]

Hr is like a drug

[pine hazel]

Whats lameos

[marble warren]

lame-o. someone who is lame

[lofty plover]

@marble warren You're in denial, and not seeing the point lol. Ironmace isn't doing anything to negate it. Look at what tarkov has done to negate RMT transactions. The most your buying in tarkov is a run through with hackers. I've never RMT'd and proud of it. But i do know people who have and the appeal is to easy

[pine hazel]

Ahhhh

Rmt

[marble warren]

Brother, I know how bad the RMT issue is. I didn't deny anything. but if you participate, YOU'RE the problem.

[lofty plover]

100% agree people are ruining the game, but unfortunately the harsh reality is the people aren't the problem. It comes to the devs who arent doing anything being the problem\

[pine hazel]

Ironmace is like Bsg

For me

[marble warren]

People are absolutely the problem, and the Devs are likely complicit. The only thing that makes much sense considering how little is done to combat RMT. But acting like "Well, EVERYONE does it." is a fallacy.

[pine hazel]

They do nothing usually

But if they do something

Is the worst thing ever

[lofty plover]

Unfortunatley ironmace probably has a good amount of income from cheaters/rmts getting banned and rebuying accounts. So until we all go to the store RIGHT THIS SECOND and spend all of our money on in game cosemtics they arent going to do anything.

That was partial sarcasm

[marble warren]

I don't even think it's from the bans

[pine hazel]

You are a secret agent of Iron Mace

[lofty plover]

Busted by buster!

[marble warren]

consider that the gold dupe has been around for YEARS and only got dealt with once the secret got out

[lofty plover]

didn't every account related to it get banned?

[signal sundial]

Combating RMT is mostly a money/time sink for devs. They don't generally care about it as other uses of their time are more profitable

Well not so much so that they don't care about RMT but they generally can't profit off of those hours involved combating it and cheaters. It's always going to be a problem no matter where you go so long as the players are complicit with it ongoing. If players just suddenly stop playing a game in protest and stop buying things then it would be tackled but players just aren't that organized. They'll slowly drip away from frustration about it and the company will before they know it be in the sinking ship because of it, or their efforts to make things fun keep the ship going because players stick around because they care more about their fun then others cheating

[quick glade]

any tips to hr for a newbie?

[signal sundial]

Perseverance, it's a struggle but once you get over the skill hump it's great!. Don't be afraid to use consumes if you know you are going to be taking damage, better to survive then die to pve as HR pvd hits incredibly hard

[quick glade]

okay thx :>

[rapid hatch]

Hello

[hot crest]

your pfp is so cute

[deep helm]

Can we get guaranteed legendary that we can use from level 100 token and like unique from lvl 200?

[jaunty mantle]

think not

i got 2-3 lege so far. 0 uniques

[deep helm]

my lvl 100 was blue and 2 were things i couldnt use and a cloak i wont use

[fair yacht]

nerf ranged please. so annoying to have to dodge these arrows i just want to hold w key

[jaunty mantle]

cant remember the last time i got a good item from tokens

[flat granite]

REAL

[deep helm]

better off winning the lottery

[trim yoke]

You just want 2 play braindeath alr

[deep helm]

i want to make sure that there is no place in the lava map for the mystic gem, its only goblin caves right?

[jovial bluff]

👍

[jovial bluff]

It’s better to go to forgotten castle if you’re running solo PVE

[deep helm]

solo HR

[feral crescent]

There is a locked door on the lava map but I'm unsure how to open it. I haven't tried the gem but I haven't had anything drop down there that I could use to open it yet

[deep helm]

which module

[feral crescent]

On the right side, it's the one with the broken bridge with lava river running underneath

[quick glade]

for how much should i sell unique adventurer cloak with 8.5% Action speed?

a 8.8% is around 9k on market rn

[deep helm]

ill have to give it a look this run

[feral crescent]

How long has that one been on market for?

[quick glade]

8h

[still flicker]

Why can't I load into a game.

[feral crescent]

Might mean that they are being traded so you could try 8k. It's a bit of a drop but people are more likely to buy it if is cheaper and only a small %difference

[warm kraken]

Surely you can figure it out yourself with this info?

[quick glade]

okay

[marble river]

what are gold chests going for right now?

[unborn hamlet]

I haven’t played in like a year and holy shit have the top players gotten insanely good

[stone panther]

~100k on the market or 6 spectrals if you can someone who hasnt been paying attention (specbags freefalled to 12k in the past hour)

[edgy sable]

Only the biggest fish are left having fun in the game.

[modest flicker]

so, quick question: i had the game on Epic games alongside the premium upgrade, now that the epic version is shutted down... how can i recover my premium upgrade on steam?

[rapid hatch]

Anyone wanna teach me the ropes? Ik the basics and what not just rather have someone to play with lol

[edgy sable]

i could be wrong but i think you had a limited window to migrate at some point (cause i had an epic account too and remember thinking "i cant b e bothered')

[unborn hamlet]

What’s the logged in count right now

[jovial bluff]

I meant for highroller PVE

Are you focusing on fighting orrr

PVE

[modest flicker]

damn XC

[deep helm]

normally pve but goblin is must easier and less ppl normally, i will normally have 0-2 others in hell with me

[unborn hamlet]

I still haven’t redownloaded/played just from seeing YouTubers their mechanics have developed insanely

[jovial bluff]

That’s surprising

[unborn hamlet]

What’s the player count these days ?

[jovial bluff]

Everytime I hop onto goblin it’s to PVP

Everytime I play there it’s people PVPING

[deep helm]

i rarely get competition here, its great

[jovial bluff]

In solos

[edgy sable]

True but also ironically they recently (this season I think) removed bunny hopping ability so you get a forced slow down when you land. It's more noob friendly but actually lowered the skill ceiling in the game, so about 3 months ago people were even crazier.

[jovial bluff]

In forgotten castle it’s usually a bunch of rogues running the rogue route

[marble river]

ty

[unborn hamlet]

Yeah I saw that, looks so much less fun. I loved the shmovement before

[stone panther]

right now, 3390 dungeon, 3350 lobby

[unborn hamlet]

Oof

Not terrible though

I miss when this game was peak 😞

[stone panther]

yeh, not terrible. SEA is in bed, europeans eating and murricans working. It'll go up in a few hours

[unborn hamlet]

Good point

Glad to see there’s still a healthy pop

[fallow blaze]

i played 5 more matches in hr at least 4 people looked me after being chased and just jumped into the void, sdf remove goblin recovery from void or hr pls

[eternal vigil]

do people only play barb and cleric solos?

have some varierty in your game god damn

[deep helm]

void for pvp modes i agree, pve void keep it

[fallow blaze]

i agree

[deep helm]

make it so only one key doors spawn

[fallow blaze]

droppable by bosses only

[deep helm]

i like it from gold chests and the small special one

its how i get the mystic gem most games

[stone panther]

they should make it that if you start 4 fights that you cannot finish. you get a clown custome for a week

[edgy sable]

🤣

They kinda have PTSD about clowns due to the use of the emoji on the accountments, idk if you can even send a clown emoji in the chat

[modest flicker]

even all my progress?

[deep helm]

i dont see what u r talking about

[edgy sable]

idk if thats really the answer better to ask a mod honestly

[unborn hamlet]

What’s goblin recovery

And the void

[fallow blaze]

if you die and you are not looted, you can get some items back in the lobby

[fossil sun]

u die, lose gear, no one take gear? u get gear back

[unborn hamlet]

Oh wtf

Do you have to buy them back

[fallow blaze]

for cheap from the goblin merchant

[unborn hamlet]

Much has changed since I last played

[stone panther]

might get gear back. I've got gobo maxed out at 225 affinity, and died a few times near the end in a empty server. and still only get 1 or 2 (or nothing) items back. Absolutely not a guarantee

[fossil sun]

ok

[unborn hamlet]

You sure you weren’t looted ?

[stone panther]

last one on the server. I always spec at the end if there is anybody left.
when I die it's usually because I got 1min left to clear the portal room on abyss with the imp and harpy combo

[fossil sun]

when die, text say "the dark grows darker" if lobby empty. that mean no one left

[unborn hamlet]

Oh maybe you don’t get gear back if die when you’re the last player ?

[fossil sun]

jesus christ man

making me break character

[unborn hamlet]

?

[marble river]

whats cinder worth right now? with dead rolls

[fossil sun]

it doesn't matter if the lobby is packed to the brim with players, if it isn't looted, you MIGHT get a couple pieces back.

that's it, that's all, nothing more to it

[fossil sun]

5 bucks and a half full pack of cigs

[marble river]

do you actually know lol

[fossil sun]

idk man 2 full spec bags or sum

halberd fell off

[signal pawn]

is arena coming out today or tmmrw

[edgy sable]

When we adding fall damage guys!

[unborn hamlet]

Oh so it’s just purely RNG