game-discussion

[prisma horizon]

how about just make it powder + shitload of golds

[stoic ridge]

Yah i hope they change all the rings. None of them should be plants

[stoic ridge]

Nah I like giving random drops more value

It gives more options to farm if you need to

[azure bronze]

Bloody bandages, bloody invokes finesse, laceration, and quick attacks

[stoic ridge]

Youre stretching like those "Mmmmmm" memes

[azure bronze]

Again, not saying its perfect but just as good as copper is to str so

[stoic ridge]

I think they should all change. Give all the rings a unique crafting recipe. There are enough mob trash to make it worth it

To make it work more so.

[azure bronze]

Well i dont think they should all get unique crafting recipes

maybe each stat typing

but def not all of em

[stoic ridge]

Wolf fang for agi, claw for dex. Bloody Bandage for vigor, etc etc

[rustic pecan]

100000% copper should only be on green rings

[stoic ridge]

Nah im glad copper has more value tbh

It makes the mines a good pvp zone too

[azure bronze]

they should all at least keep the shared ore at the end, tidestone for epic pendants/rubysilver for epic rings

[stoic ridge]

Do not force the water map on me to make gear

[azure bronze]

Youd think they would finally add a legendary rarity ore with the addition of the firedeep but ig not

[stoic ridge]

I wish :/ crafted gear fits so weirdly into the meta except for arena

[azure bronze]

As a stingray farmer, just buy tidestone off me or learn the easy boss

I see this as an absolute win

[slender marlin]

did loot in HR get stealth nerfed? feel like its been dookie all night

[stoic ridge]

I just dont like the water map mechanics

[azure bronze]

then dont play it and buy the tidestone

its not even expensive due to the quantity you can get

[stoic ridge]

It will be if you need it to craft rings

[azure bronze]

im just glad its getting a real usage instead of some absolutely terrible armor

[stoic ridge]

Ore will be wayyyyyy more expensive this season then ever before

[azure bronze]

not rings, rings is rubysilver

epic pendants are tidestone, you only need one piece per

[stoic ridge]

Also do we know what the mushrooms are for yet?

[azure bronze]

theyre gonna be for a quest for goblin merchant, we know that much

[stoic ridge]

Ahh good, Ive been collecting them

[azure bronze]

but if i were to assume, a potion form of activating a dwarven shrine

aka fire resistance pot

[stoic ridge]

I know it wont be, but I hope they keep firedeep small

[stoic ridge]

Even more niche then water breathing tbh

Fire doesnt do a ton of damage as is

Anddddd they should nerf lock/wiz/sorc like that

Shouldnt

[azure bronze]

Ive been saying since the start of wipe; the firedeep's boss is more of a pvp challange than an actual boss as you have to fight for it

[stoic ridge]

Adding a fire res pot is an indirect nerf to them, and they have been hit thise season pretty hard already

[stoic ridge]

I just like how simple the small map feels!

[azure bronze]

Fire deep should be a 4 by 4, a 3 by 3 is just too damn small

[stoic ridge]

Id be fine with different random modules, but I realllllly like 3x3

4x4 would be fine, I just like the 3x3 lol

I love all the mobs in the firedeep tho

[azure bronze]

Still the smallest map, but at least not so small you can loot the entire thing by yourself

[stoic ridge]

Turtles being neutral was such a weird thing to discover

[solid saddle]

3x3 goblin caves with 7 players was lowkey peak

[stoic ridge]

I hit them all before realizing they dont aggro

[azure bronze]

arena for when arena is down lol

[stoic ridge]

So i started jumping on top of them

[stoic ridge]

Arena but with risk

[solid saddle]

Ya only that whe you wiped the lobby you could do troll and farm ore

[azure bronze]

The boss really disappointed me ngl

[stoic ridge]

I hope they dont make all the maps 7x7. Let that be ruins exclusive. Not enough players for every map to be that big

[azure bronze]

hes too easy

[stoic ridge]

I dont really think any boss is all that hard tbh

[azure bronze]

No like hes significantly easier than any boss in the game. period

[stoic ridge]

Is the loot good?

And can you get artis?

[azure bronze]

You can get artis but i havent farmed it enough to find one

you mainly do it for the obsidian

there isnt even a new arti for it and it doesnt even have any change in hr version, its just bigger stats

even stingray is more enjoyable to fight and thats including the annoyingness of the water map

[prisma horizon]

Don't u like hitting butt for 5min straight?

[azure bronze]

The only difficulty in that fight is the risk of an enemy team coming to fight you durring it

[stoic ridge]

Troll 2.0?

[earnest dock]

Ceremonial Cup is the worst quest of all time holy ive done like 6 pve raids and havent seen a single item

[azure bronze]

even easier

[azure bronze]

Its bad, not the worst and 2 daggers is worse. Load into water map pve and unlock lions head chests, only way i was able to find em

in fact i have a spare set

[stone panther]

the glassess is way worse.
I got 2 green daggers for whoever gives me a pair of glasses

[azure bronze]

flat out wrong

glasses you can do in a couple hours, took me 8 hours of looking to find all the uncommons i needed

not including the time i spent in various other pve maps looking for it before learning they are found in water map

glasses are also rare rarity so can be found very commonly in hr and somewhat commonly in norms

[stone panther]

I ground inferno killing imps for a full day in a mix of pve/norms/hr before i gave up. Gotten 0 all season. Got a handfull daggers and goblets in less than a day on timmy. Also been living on abyss HR for most of the season, also seen 0 on the imps there.

[solid saddle]

I got them without playing water map once lol

[azure bronze]

I spent abt 150 hours since wipe and didnt see a single dagger outside of water map

[grizzled meteor]

Pls buff barbarian it needs better ranged

[coarse portal]

Sure give it range and take away WW

[azure bronze]

youre joking right

[azure bronze]

guys i think wizard should get a buff, they should be one shotting in squire gear not two shotting

[silent spruce]

they already got somewhat decent range it you're really good at aiming tbh

and most ppl wont expect weapon throw

[gentle lance]

Guys as a Cleric whats best Book or Cermonial Staff?

[keen halo]

Wizard doesn’t 2 shot with any of their spells. Are you high?

[hardy stump]

consensus is for book with +mag healing for mobility, tho I am not up to date with trios heal cleric meta in this season

[coarse portal]

Druid is a way better healer

[hardy stump]

2 fireball headshots would take down most players, but its not regular occurance

[silver void]

Where do you get sturdy cloth?

[obtuse idol]

2 towers cockatrice room in the ruins up top next to the big chest

[tiny sparrow]

anyone know the trick to get that right click to dont drop item at the floor when taking from a chest or inventory

[cloud musk]

alt tab again and it fixes

[tiny sparrow]

seems to randomly change right click should take not drop lol

ty sir

[cloud musk]

its a bug from alt tabbing from the game, it fixes after u do it again

[tiny sparrow]

worked, ty vm

[pallid palm]

how does market work this wipe? Only open for certain amount of time?

[cloud musk]

first 3 weeks its disabled, like 1 week left and its back

[pallid palm]

ty

[silver void]

Thank you!

[half zenith]

Anybody down to teach me warlord?

[rose mantle]

Where do I best farm plate armor? Which mobs drop them alot?

[silver bloom]

living armor's a good one

[rose mantle]

Thank you 🙂

Are there any map sites where I can check where spawns for living armor is?

[tame iris]

Same question for a legendary weapon for that weaponsmith s quest 😁

I have to kill a boss ?

[rose mantle]

Go highroller

And loot lions chests and stuff

[tame iris]

Alright thanks 🙂

[west wadi]

Living armor will always have plate gear
I don't think anything else has a guaranteed drop for plate

[copper pasture]

where does one find the bronze scale

[obsidian badge]

zwiehander skelles

[copper pasture]

ty for helping me

from now on ill rmrbr u in every prayer i make

[west wadi]

Spearman will drop the awls and wraiths will drop the bellows and demon imps will drop the broken glasses

You'll need those too after that quest

[prisma horizon]

Dwarf drop it too idk if guaranteed

[rose mantle]

Where can I find out every module that spawns them?

[dreamy raptor]

Is OCR, or Python bannable here? I use it for other things while I play, Streeaming or for my other game

[hardy stump]

super easy, its the module with red stairs that isn't bridge

[radiant urchin]

been playing for the last 3 days and havent seen a single cockatrice feather or broken glasses wtf is the spawn on them? they dont exist man.

[fervent anvil]

they exist

[sleek spear]

do i still need to do all the tavern masters quests to get any other quest or did they fix that?

[radiant urchin]

where bro? where? been in pve, normals, and high roller they just arent spawning for me.

[fervent anvil]

you just gotta keep looking

[smoky jetty]

[granite bluff]

Took me like a week of killing cockatrice to get the feather lol

[fiery oyster]

hello, we can't loot jewels in dungeon anymore ?

[radiant urchin]

sdf needs the fix the spawn rate on certain items. i can find unique and artifact items more than blue or green quest items.

[keen hearth]

bruh heater shield and a falc pdr fighter with sprint and second wind+ranged bow/utility is so annoying bro such a braindead loadout u give that to a timmy with 10 hours in the game hes gonna be able to compete with mfs who spent hundreds of hours

one block to falc headshot and its gg

[fervent anvil]

you just gotta know where to look. the drops rates have felt fine to me so far

[radiant urchin]

i know where they spawn, cockatrice and imps i just cant get any to spawn and it shouldnt be over 3 days of grinding with no luck of finding a single one of a blue item

[keen hearth]

tbh once u loot exclusively with druid its like a monopoly bro

[fervent anvil]

look harder. they do exist

[outer grail]

alr where do I get the uncommon treasures for treasurer and the other

[fervent anvil]

pve lionheads

[outer grail]

how many did it take u@fervent anvil

[keen hearth]

thats the wipe start strat everyone makes a druid build rat forms everywhere yank the loot and goes extract gold farm 101

[fervent anvil]

like 4 games to find what i needed each time

[radiant urchin]

special knight spawn rates lmao

[fervent anvil]

if only. it did take me ages to find the broken sword

[radiant urchin]

ive been quest locked for the last 4 days because the spawn rate on the feather and glasses are busted. even my friends havent been able to find them. guess ill just have to wait until market opens up to buy them so ill just be quest locked for another week

[fervent anvil]

just keep looking. you will get it eventually

[radiant urchin]

brother ive gave up. 3 days of non stop grinding while i have time killing every one of them in every game and nothing. that shouldnt be a thing. if spawn rates werent busted i should be able to get them all in one gaming session but its not possible.

[fervent anvil]

theres still about a week till market. so you still got about a week of grinding to do

[sterile wraith]

HR is unplayable for some classes when there is no market. Timmies want to have their SSF.
how about we open market and keep normals ssf? Thoughts?

[radiant urchin]

most players like the ssf. i am one of those players and i have to keep selling gear because i cant hold it and thats for every class, you might just be in a stroke of bad luck like i am with quest items.

[wraith egret]

Can somebody pls explain some basic questions about arena in dm please?

[vestal raptor]

havent played in a year. whats a good lineup for trios thats good in squire and gear?

[west wadi]

LB druid with front line cleric/fighter/barb
Fighter is popular for the flag which gives +5 all so it makes up for stat diffs while in squire

[prisma notch]

is there any admin

@fathom field

i got team kill how can i report that

@teal trout

@jade depot

[fathom field]

Ok I check your dm

[steady aspen]

any best tips for killing demonfly before they explode themselves?

[south copper]

magic missle

[keen halo]

High dps or range.

They’re easy to kite

[raven hedge]

GUYS. Where are the fkin green ceremonial daggers?!

[vestal raptor]

how is healer/support cleric rn ?

[barren tinsel]

karen

[keen halo]

Run some norms, loot small chests. You’ll be fine

[keen thicket]

Just parried someone with a longsword + disarm active and nothing happened? They did not get disarmed one bit 😂

[stone panther]

I got 2 for you if you can find a pair of broken glassess

[hearty jungle]

with what weapon do u play wizard book or staff?

[vagrant fulcrum]

iirc book for casting speed, staff for magical damage?

[earnest current]

@zinc sparrow For the love of GOD , Please read this . This game need SEARCH BUTTON for stash , stash like pig house can't find any shit

[prisma notch]

@eternal bough

@minor peak

[minor peak]

im at work 😭

[prisma notch]

someone just killed me u cant do nothing about that ?

[still cloud]

Imps

[prisma notch]

i got video and his discord

[stone panther]

i know where to get them, but 200 dead imps in and they aint be dropping

[minor peak]

open up a ticket, we act accordingly

[prisma notch]

i did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0morcwc4yc

[steady aspen]

where can we find dummies to check damage these days?

[prisma notch]

thats the video

@minor peak

[swift grove]

GC and ruins

or, if you prefer the sarcastic and slightly amusing answer, #lfg-europe

[prisma notch]

@compact delta i got killed by teamate https://youtu.be/F0morcwc4yc his discord name DadEnjoyer party 56

[barren tinsel]

karen alert wee woo karen alert

[prisma notch]

whos that ?

[barren tinsel]

^

[prisma notch]

fuck the admins and fuck this server

[barren tinsel]

want to see a supervisor?

[stone panther]

2 posts above here

[west wadi]

Very good
Hybrid cleric is the best in trios rn
Smite with heals

[wind lagoon]

is pre teaming solos norms bannable

[kind dome]

Wtb gold cup treasure (unk) I had a lot of questions items for trade

[hardy stump]

in our hearts and in folklore legends

[deep helm]

for making level 100 it shouldnt be purples, it should be at least golds

[hardy stump]

a legend says you can find some next to mythical awls

[inner bronze]

holy fucking shit why does ironmace make fundamental changes to how the lobbies work every season and more often than not the changes are stupid

last season was alright cant they just fucking stick to that

[twin stream]

What is the difference between last season and this one? I didn't play last season

[inner bronze]

you have to unlock everything except for the forgotten castle with rank or gold for the PvE version

lol

im just mad because they keep doing this and i still remember like 3 seasons back when they tried forcing people into 4 categories based on gear score and that one was particularly stupid

this game has been out long enough how the lobbies work should be settled in the game design by now

[minor shore]

where to farm handcannons

[deep helm]

i wish they would bring back going up against only those with similar gear score bc going in in squire gear to get graped by an all blue or all gold isnt fun

[stone panther]

if you are running squire, why not just go squire to riches?

[deep helm]

that has to be a top 10 for dumbest questions ive heard

[inner bronze]

i hated it because me and my friend constantly had to balance our kits out with each other and we couldnt just run what we had and it was really annoying

and the higher gear scores were limited to high roller only so he couldnt even run his best gear

[deep helm]

but it kept lobbies balanced

[inner bronze]

the limiting the higher gear scores to high roller only was the part that pissed me off the most

i couldnt run my best kits with my friend and he couldnt run his best kits at all

shit was annoying as fuck

[stone panther]

What can I say, I'm channeling my inner barb

[deep helm]

i like how they have a max gear instead of a min gear but what i want is if i run pvp with squire gear, i want squire to half green half white gear in my lobbies. I dont want 70% of the lobby to be full blue with cloak and rings and necklaces

[stoic ridge]

23% headshot unique crossbow jesussss

[deep helm]

dont lump me in with them, i dont use WW nor do i find it fun

[random gyro]

now that every weapon can block sheilds but especially the buckler feels kinda redundant. at least larger sheilds can block projectiles decently

[stoic ridge]

Bro I have a 23% headshot damage crossbow, an 8% headshot bonus forest hood. Maybe I need to run a stealth headshot ranger build lmao. Might 1 tap some people

[deep helm]

buckler is probably the worst, i always tell my cleric duo to bring a round or heater

[stoic ridge]

They need to buff impact resist of all shields

And increase armor that it gives

Is wyvern egg good for anything other then 10k?

[deep helm]

but can we talk about the reward tokens and why at lvl 100 i got purple?

[minor shore]

What map is best to farm hand cannons

[stoic ridge]

Id imagine the new fire deeps

But maybe water?

Theres just so many gun dwarves in the firedeeps

[vivid stratus]

I used to love this game, but it is truly unfun now. There have never been less skill expression, it is either be a braindead rush and win or have broken op magic.

The random modules detrous any chance of having game knowledge and having characters with magic or abilities to avert mobs away, this be Warlock, Wizard and Rogues ability to get mobs off themself destroys so much.

Revert it such that players can easily jump and by that countering the equimp slowness, and on top fix classes. Why in the hell can a wizard be a bonk wizard? It's so fck dumb and op, and lower Warlocks health. For sorcerer honestly remove or disable him for the time being. Too fast, too mcuh he can do and he does his stuff too well.

Parrying is a great idea, same with blocking but it has to be done in a good way, not the way it is rn. Something like For Honor, where it feels awesome.

[marble ivy]

You can't say the game was dumbed down, here. Or all the unskilled bois will jump on you.

[vivid stratus]

True, all the Warlock players will come.

[marble ivy]

And the W holders.

[deep helm]

finally someone smart who speaks the truth and doesnt just spout the same retoric

[hardy stump]

there are only 2 things players hate
-stale meta
-changes

[vivid stratus]

Changes can be good, a lot have been, the issue is that when Iron mace does a bad change it really is just that bad.

[marble ivy]

I'm surprised this game isn't turn-based yet.

[agile pagoda]

I just want to say I started playing this game solo early this week, haven't looked anything up, and absolutely love it. The PvP is so fun lol

[deep helm]

lol says the fighter

[cloud musk]

maybe try playing other class than fighter?

[hardy stump]

always keep 2 of everything that isn't wearable, or you'll cry when you start doing quests

[agile pagoda]

I've killed several that refused to defuse the situation even though I tried lol

[marble ivy]

Why redeem yourself to an even lower class and go through torturing yourself?

[vivid stratus]

The first season i played (Which is long ago now) i turned in like 300+ hours. The next one around 200+ and now i haven't even come close to giving 2 sh!ts.

[deep helm]

ur playing the best class in the game and saying pvp is fun, i wonder why

[agile pagoda]

Well good to know I picked well

[vivid stratus]

M8 i have played every single character, i got almost 1.000 hours.

[deep helm]

u picked boring, always SS tier, and wont ever really be truly nerfed

[marble ivy]

That sounds like a balanced game.

[deep helm]

Ive been playing since playtest one and what Oliver is saying is true

[agile pagoda]

Okay except I picked the style of play I like and didn’t pick it because of the reasons your listing, also can only run one character on a free account so I won’t be switching either even though you really want me to feel bad about choosing fighter

[deep helm]

the magic boys running the game during season 1-4 is what drove me to not touch it for 2 years

[vivid stratus]

Rn Barbarian does unga bunga spin attack, Fighter holds for parry and casters are just overtuned as per usual, where Ranger with gear can do a lot, but anyone that does not have magic are in a horrible place.

[cloud musk]

well half of ur complains are just skill issue's, like lowering warlock's hp for example, or random maps destroying knowledge, its the same modules just mixed up, knowledge still gives u shortcuts and better pathing

[deep helm]

yea WW barbs are the worst and I hate it. Barb used to be a class i could take pride in saying i main and have only played since there wasnt too many of us but now all the meta hoppers joined and im sad asf

[vivid stratus]

Have you played the game, or are you joking?

[cloud musk]

what makes u think im joking?

[deep helm]

Warlock hp needs a nerf especially if u is in his demon state

i fought one as a high dp and high dmg barb and lost in a slug fest, i even had rage and roar

[prisma crypt]

He's ragebaiting, dw

[cloud musk]

his hp is not the problem, the healing demon ability is, ur asking for a nerf which won't fix the problem ur talking about XD

[vivid stratus]

Cuz what you said is suggests that.

"just skill issue's, like lowering warlock's hp"
"random maps destroying knowledge, its the same modules just mixed up"

You do see how for the Warlock hting it's becaused he can get away when you finally catch him, which is dumb if he has a lot of hp.

And for the random moduls, i can't imagine how you came to that conclusion.

[deep helm]

random modules are a nice touch, a bit annoying but a nice touch. What we need is a up to date map that all all modules on one so we can see what they look like without swapping between 2

[midnight sail]

barb ww just seems very overtuned vs some classes

[median grail]

@zinc sparrow when are you guys adding a Bless You emote, I wanna roleplay the cleric

[marble ivy]

Oliver's right in pretty much, everything, lol.

[cloud musk]

well it do be a skill issue because ur fighting warlocks like they want u to, instead of chasing them like a headless chicken u can use their counter, ranged damage? they die in 2 crossy's btw

[vivid stratus]

Thanks, but it seems like this game will have to die at some point, since everyone want their class buffed instead of caring for the full game.

[deep helm]

most of those that will go against Oliver are part of the brainwashed

i want WW nerfed, dont hurt barb just WW

[vivid stratus]

No, they just either don't play HR or watch too much yt / shorts.

[deep helm]

i dont play HR and even I know the problems

[vivid stratus]

Would love to see a dodge system be added for characters wielding weaphons.

Also being able to feint.

[deep helm]

thats taking it a bit far

[vivid stratus]

We need skill expression.

Rn the skill ceiling is lower than ever before.

[deep helm]

u add those and then we get a new meta of spam dodge or feint

and then we get to everyone running way and pvp becoming rare

[vivid stratus]

Not really, take how it is used in For Honor.

Also rather rare pvp than unbalanced pvp, we do have the arena, tho i miss a higher playerbase to get into fights.

[deep helm]

what needs is a balance update and a counter wheel. Everyone full counters a certain person and is full countered by a certain person. Then also branches in the center that can semi counter others

[vivid stratus]

Also remove magic hitcan that can do dmg and debuffs, there is no reason that hitscan exists in Dark and Darker.

[deep helm]

ur saying get rid of clerics kit?

[vivid stratus]

Not team buffs.

Only stuff that hurts your opponent.

[deep helm]

i was with this guy in the beginning but u lost me

[cloud musk]

the reason is punishing misspositioning?

[deep helm]

already a weak healing class that has had to change how it is played from being a cleric to being a paladin and u want to nerf em even more

[vivid stratus]

Are you a real human? How is that your conclusion. Go play the game dude.

[vivid stratus]

Mmmm Yes he has been weak here as of late in solos, but in trios he is close to a must have.

[vivid stratus]

Hitscan does not do that, you monkey.

Hitscan can punish what ever your posistion is, and or whatever you are blocking, shielding parrying.

[grizzled citrus]

still no WW nerf. guess another day of blocking all 3 swings and still being left 1 shot.

[deep helm]

yea this guy is taking the mick

[cloud musk]

well imagine 2 frontlines fighting in a doorway, if u ignore where the enemy wiz is he's gonna zap ur cheeks and u lose

[vivid stratus]

I have played comp shooters my whole life, it does not req skill to use a hitscan magic power.

[marble ivy]

[vivid stratus]

Are you that bad at games?

[deep helm]

me too, u rnt wrong but in a game about magic, hitscan fits in

[vivid stratus]

No?

[deep helm]

and on top of that cleric may be a must be he is still weak unless u play him like a paladin

[marble ivy]

If it's a ranged class, there should be no hitscans, at all. In a 3 dimensional missile-based game.

[vivid stratus]

Also no.

[marble ivy]

You can increase the projectile speed, but your range distance, should still pose an advantage to the missile travel, regardless of speed.

Far = more angle
Closer = less angle

[hazy nacelle]

He is strong in his play style. You need class identity

[vivid stratus]

Hitscan is just too easy, since one can't really do much to avoid it. This is not a skill issue, this is me playing hitscan based games.

[hazy nacelle]

You can’t have every class do everything

[vivid stratus]

Exactly

[deep helm]

just get out of its range, like cleric range isnt that far

[vivid stratus]

Doesn't matter, still should be possible.

[cloud musk]

u know that u can still juke and block hitscan right?

[vivid stratus]

Against bad players yes.

[marble ivy]

You can, but you're just absuing shit design.

[vivid stratus]

Have you heard of flicking?

[hazy nacelle]

I think the classes themselves are well designed, and balancing will always be hard with the nature of the game. MMO have the same issue. Tag in tons of weapons and different classes, you have balancing issues. But it’s critical to keep class identity

[deep helm]

i was with oliver in the beginning but ya lost me abt half way thru with getting progressively worse and worse takes

[marble ivy]

Ranged abilties should all be designed that, your hit chance lowers, the furtherst your enemy is from you, that's a proper skill based game, because now you have trigonometry involved.

[cloud musk]

nah

[hazy nacelle]

Yeah hit scan just can’t happen in this game

[deep helm]

clerics whole deal is isnt so much magic spells like wizard but more like warlock but for heaven

[vivid stratus]

Dude go and play some Nintendo game xD

[marble ivy]

If you want to increase a spell hit chance, just increase the missile speed, but never hitscan.

[hazy nacelle]

Cleric is also mainly a healer, that’s just the entire class design

[marble ivy]

Hitscan is basically, the game not giving a shit if you're 1y away, or 19y away.

[vivid stratus]

Exactly.

[hazy nacelle]

You can either fight it or accept they atleast have a viable solo playstyle

[cloud musk]

broski i legit have my medal in description u can check out my gameplay if u wish, im not ragebaiting i just think ur wrong

[hazy nacelle]

It just won’t be much bc they are designed for group play

[swift ether]

that or coping about something hes losing too

[vivid stratus]

Dude get our of a chatroom for people that play games xD

[hazy nacelle]

If you give hit scan to wizard and ranger it’s over

[marble ivy]

I mean, he's right, everyone calling about skill, skill, skill expression, you can't have more skill expression than actually calculating your missile travel distance, lol.

[hazy nacelle]

They are forever meta

[marble ivy]

Games moved away from hitscans, for a reason.

[hazy nacelle]

Yeah it’s just not good design in PvP

[minor sequoia]

do you craft grimsmiles at alchemist still or is it goldsmith now

[swift ether]

Yelling back and forth over pixels is wild maybe just ignore eachother

[vivid stratus]

It's good if everyone can hitscan, but it's bad if some can, and some can'

[cloud musk]

i mean i taught we re over crying about hitscan but here we are again 😂 although last time wiz was only killing u with hitscan zaps now it just does cheap damage😭

[prisma crypt]

Gsmith, after all quests

[hazy nacelle]

Melee classes will never hit scan so it’s just not good

[minor sequoia]

fuck

[prisma crypt]

They are useless rn, 3 substats instead of 4

[deep helm]

this is why sdf makes bad decision, he listens to the 1% who cry the loudest like those that hate hitscan on cleric

[minor sequoia]

just wanted one 4 my arena

[deep helm]

i aint never hear abt it being a problem till today

[hazy nacelle]

I think cleric hit scan is fine bc you can run out of range and still trigger cd

[marble ivy]

No its quite the opposite, SDF hears the 99% who cries for nonsense stuff.

[hazy nacelle]

I wish

[marble ivy]

Thats why nonsense is all over the place.

[hazy nacelle]

Otherwise WW would be nerfed by now

[deep helm]

no its normally been the 1% bc if he listened to the 99% WW and disarm would have been nerfed but he listend to the WW 1%

its the 1% or the meta TTV guys that he listens too mostly

[jade granite]

Does gold spawn in the fire deep?

[deep helm]

no

[hazy nacelle]

Not that I have seen

[jade granite]

Only in the combined boss room on L1?

[deep helm]

only in goblin caves behind the doors in the boss loot rooms

[hazy nacelle]

Yes

[jade granite]

Ok

[deep helm]

anyone want to run goblin with me to get gold?

[compact urchin]

Hello does anyone know what counters barbarian whirlwind currently?

[deep helm]

running away or alt f4

[marble ivy]

The uninstall button.

[vivid stratus]

Anyone that has range.

[sly halo]

is hr banshee any different than norm, been off for a few months

[compact urchin]

Ok so I could learn wizard I guess and try nuking from distance. Thanks @vivid stratus

[minor sequoia]

idk vruh nobody ever fights that shit

[prisma crypt]

S button

[vivid stratus]

You could defn do that, prob use insta cast aswell in solos.

[tulip pagoda]

game is buuuuuugggy right now for anyone else? tons of lag, and i keep getting this right click loot bug where everything just drops on the ground?

[marble ivy]

You can fix that bug by pressing ALT or SHIFT or whatever it is a couple of times, it happens after alt tab, but thats a windows bug, not game.

[glad belfry]

i was wondering i couldnt even get in before thought it was a patch

[cloud musk]

reckless , pdr , parry with big weapons like longsword/halberd, ranger if u know what ur doing, sorc, demolock, etc

[hazy nacelle]

Reckless pdr and parry don’t really counter atm it’s too broken, just range

[marble ivy]

The only counter to whirlwind barbarian

Is another whirlwind barbarian using it first.

[cloud musk]

they do if played right tho

[vivid stratus]

It's nicky. that wrote it so don't take it too serious, since he doesn't play the game, but just watches clips of it.

[hazy nacelle]

If the barb is smart it doesn’t

Yeah true ig

[compact urchin]

@cloud musk thanks sorry j don’t know what reckless or pdr means haha, I guess I’ll try wizard, been only playing warrior so far

[cloud musk]

??😂🔥

[hazy nacelle]

That is a pretty non player take tbh

AI take basically

[cloud musk]

reckless attack is a barb skill and pdr is physical damage reduction

[vivid stratus]

Dude thinks that one can "juke" out the hitscan casts from wizard. He doesn't know one can flick.

[compact urchin]

Ah so I’d go barb vs barb, nah don’t wanna add to the problem haha

I rather try a diff off meta class

[marble ivy]

See, I was right.

[hazy nacelle]

There isn’t one, it’s overwhelmingly barb rn, that’s why everyone is annoyed

[minor sequoia]

if you cant beat them join them lol

[vivid stratus]

Then go for Ranger, doesn't seem very meta this season.

[compact urchin]

I played a year ago last time, it was barb back then too 🤣🤣🤣

[hazy nacelle]

It’s a fun skill I hope they don’t kill WW, it’s just oppressive rn

[minor sequoia]

barb and barber had an update

[glad belfry]

man i must be really bad at barb i cant even get close enough to use whirlwind

[compact urchin]

@vivid stratus hate the bow sound haha and how it plays, I’ll try the caster

[marble ivy]

Barb and Fighter are always incredible busted, because SDF, or Koreans in general have no clue idea why Tank classes exist and what's their advantage lol

A good Tank/HPball character always wins with low damage but high survivability in exchange, not one shotting people.

[vivid stratus]

Tbh they really haven't been. It has been Druid, Warlock and Wizard.

[pallid hemlock]

"koreans in general" 💀 bruh

[marble ivy]

It's true. All Koreans MMO classes are garbage in design

[misty stone]

guys how can i get a rol name in discord to access the rol chat

[tulip pagoda]

oh really? i've never experienced it before

[misty stone]

a class rol name

[hazy nacelle]

Barb has had extremely bad oppressive metas, hatchet bloodthirst? You can heal through a 3 man

Barb definitely has been way too strong a lot of the time

But also when it gets nerfed it’s ass

[vivid stratus]

That is true, but agi has been the meta, which did that barb always came out short.

[marble ivy]

A class that has Damage Reduction can not have the same damage output of a class purely designed to deal damage.

[cloud musk]

its blood exchange

[hazy nacelle]

With agi nerfed now Barb is actually one of the faster classes

[marble ivy]

It's supposed to have very low damage output and win by maths.

[hazy nacelle]

Yeah mb

[minor sequoia]

got a uni bardiche w ddr thanks sdf 🥹

[hasty creek]

why r motherfuckers so mean! I'm trying to get my crustatian quest just give me a free hit you know I'm a person

[marble ivy]

If Barb is supposed to have damage abilities, then it can't have high HP.

If its supposed to have defensive abilities, then it can't have high damage output.

I don't understand how the developers cannot understand something this basic.

[hazy nacelle]

Don’t forget it now has high speed after agi nerfed

[marble ivy]

Give both to one class and you're just busted and the whole game logic doesnt work.

[minor sequoia]

barb has defensive abilities?

[marble ivy]

If

[full creek]

savage

[minor sequoia]

yeah ig

[vivid stratus]

I disagree, since that barb, if he comes close should be almost a 100% win rate, where one should have to kite, since barb does not have ranged weapons.

[full creek]

lowers ms and like no dmg

[marble ivy]

But the HP ball is a defensive design, yes. Its basically a passive ability

[cloud musk]

and war cry

[minor sequoia]

barb is supposed to be like high damage, tanky, and slow thats what i think makes sense

[full creek]

yeah i agree

[hazy nacelle]

They are not slow rn

That’s a big issue

[vivid stratus]

Agree

[full creek]

for sure

[sharp night]

idk who to play and main im stuck between bard, wiz, sorc, and warlock

[minor sequoia]

if you face check a barb on anything thats not a strong melee then you deserve to lose

[marble ivy]

Sure, it can be high damage. But it can't have 170hp to the point that ranging them down is basically almost impossible. And they aren't slow either.

[hazy nacelle]

Bard is not good rn with Barb meta unless you survival bow to death in cap gear

[minor sequoia]

170 aint even allat i had some build last wipe w like 205 base and was chilling at like 293 ms

[robust otter]

arm hitboxes are a disgrace im tired of losing fights because 1 hit clipped a shitty hitbox and goes for 10 dmg

[pallid hemlock]

we're multiple years deep into having magic crow>fall damage so im just here to enjoy the circus tbh. my hopes for proper balance are long gone

[marble ivy]

Lol

[hazy nacelle]

Rage would take you to 324 which classes can’t active now except for Barb and fighter really

[minor sequoia]

i played w a spell lock and w rage, war cry, and sac i think it was like 270 for 20 seconds which is absurd lmao

[marble ivy]

I can go invisible for 7 seconds.

[cloud musk]

buffs don't last that long

[minor sequoia]

sorry more like 15

my bad for rounding

[cloud musk]

nope still wrong

[marble ivy]

I cant believe you guys are discussing on the duration rather than the 270 hp, ahah

[minor sequoia]

not by that much? the only effect that would that would end before 15 is rage lol

why you tryna like press me cause im not going into specifics

ppl be doin anything nowadays smh

[cloud musk]

bcz the fact that he's really strong in 1 instance with everything he has doesn't make him instantly broken, u just need to fight him in a weaker state

[cloud musk]

no im just debunking missinformation

[minor sequoia]

i mean 200 hp 45 pdr aint exactly easy to win against so

i bet youre real fun to be around btw

[prisma crypt]

2000 hp, like a cave troll

[minor sequoia]

basically

schlinging my troll bane

[marble ivy]

The first fight I did this season against a timmy Barb, it took me 11 stabs with Rondel dagger.

[minor sequoia]

yeah i could not be caught using rondel post nerf lol

shit hits like a paper clip

[marble ivy]

I think I would have probably lost if the Barb was trading me with Torch

[sharp night]

whats better in dous bard, wiz, or sorc?

[cloud musk]

depends of what class u play with, all of them work fine tho

[hardy stump]

the one you play better

[sharp night]

idk the one i play better with its all kind of the same

[sharp night]

i play with fighter and barb

[pallid hemlock]

🤣🤣🤣 rogue can get up there for a few seconds with ambush 🤣🤣🤣

[cloud musk]

me personally i would pick wiz

[sharp night]

why

[copper pasture]

does anyone have a good fire colossal guide??

my goat ryan hasnt dropped a vid

[cloud musk]

good range, can help your frontline the easiest, can pump lots of dmg if needed with mm, can provide antiheal with fire mastery, good utility like invis and breaking doors fast

[sharp night]

mm?

[cloud musk]

magic missle

[sharp night]

oh ok

[queen patio]

yeah 330ms for a few seconds

its not even bad, can be useful

[robust otter]

no ones gonna mention how the rapier completely mogs every other weapon with a poke first attack and broke parry

[queen patio]

rapier is goated

[dark thorn]

Is this game like fornite

[queen patio]

yes

its a clone of fortnite but in the dark

[dark thorn]

Omg

Jk just came back after a year pretty happy with the state of the game so far

Not that it will stay the way it is lol that always chagin somthin

[queen patio]

buff rogue pls

and nerf ww

[lime pine]

Man this patch is such a W. Griefing stingray with faustian bargain is peak gaming, SDF's vision at it's peak

[cyan plank]

Don’t ruin an amazing game. We don’t need flea. We need to search in map and adopt to what we find…please don’t ruin the experience

[dusk meteor]

How do I craft rare and epic jewelry? The shop only shows green options

Ooof I’ve done all but 2 :/

Yea that’s a pretty dumb concept lol

Thanks for sharing 🙏🏽

[royal prism]

why am I interaction locked like the only thing I can do is drop items and scroll my toolbar, no interaction prompt comes up when I look at doors or anything and cant use potions/attack etc, any way to fix this so I can fucking extract?

earths most buggy game

[fluid flower]

you on barb?

[whole robin]

Bring back rope extractions to goblin caves

[royal prism]

rangr

[fluid flower]

theres a glitch with skills bugging you out from interacting with stuff. Only way I know of to fix it is to use one if your skills but thats a bug on barb with his throw weapon skill

tried rezzing people with interaction locked and even that doesn't fix it

[subtle heart]

I have 13 uncommon arcane essence but only have one rare, I wish I could exchange it with the merchant dang it I’d give them all up for 1 rare

[royal prism]

fair enough, cant rememebr if I tried to use a skll or not but died anyway cuz cant attack mobs or use doors. nice to know the game works at least

[stone panther]

hit up watermap on HR and go kill baby turtles (top left beach, bottom right rock). You get 10+ purple and blue in like 2 rounds tops

[subtle heart]

Ok ty

[fervent anvil]

if you dont like water map then just farming the mummies and deathskulls will get you a good amount

[bitter wadi]

Yo, this is probably my bad for not reading everything, but I went down the red stairs to the crypt and it put me at the end of match spectator screen. Shouldn't there be a crypt lobby/room to send stuff back? I had to exit to menu, and it deleted my kit and inventory

[vital mesa]

found sk in pve mode, extracted and it was gone. Are you supposed to use it right away?

[hasty creek]

sorry to ask a dumb question but which gives more hp necklace of peace or bear pendant? and if it is the peace one like I think, why do ppl wear the bear one?

[royal prism]

yeah it goes away when u extract now, u have to use it in the session

[short siren]

where can i mine copper ore?

[hasty creek]

goblin caves

you get more in pvp or HR

Or you could kill Golems in ruins, the one in mid and the one bellow mid

but that's not guaranteed

[short siren]

would you happen to know the module? i know there is some in this big room with a bridge going across but everytime the nodes are iron lol

i guess the nodes are also random

[fervent anvil]

theres alot of rooms that have copper in them. tho they can also spawn iron. rooms like goblin mine, mole tunnel and goblin town can spawn it

[plucky rover]

peace gives u +max health for ex i think blue rarity gives 9 health whilst the bear pendant will give u like 3 vigor which i think is 6hp tbh for me its just what i end up finding im not sure but maybe they can get different roles but probably not

[short siren]

ty

[hasty creek]

no only a bit random. I think they mostly spawn in the room that looks like a pair of lungs and in the goblin town

[plucky rover]

yeah there should be, if it was a down then you shouldve went to expressman. it may be a bug altho i haven’t experienced this

[hasty creek]

ok sounds like the peace is better so since you have to pick which one you craft I'll take that one

[bitter wadi]

maybe it was because people in my party were still on the map?

[frosty carbon]

any1 know where to find the awl and sturdy cloth?

[subtle heart]

Yeah you’re waiting for them, that’s why you’re spectating them lol

Totally normal

[bitter wadi]

oh damnit, i thought I died somehow, or bugged

[plucky rover]

they might have different crafting requirements but if u can id take peace

[plucky rover]

ohhh okay that explains it, so if you take the down youll have to wait until either they die or go down

[warm dock]

This game is just bad no joke i hade more then 1000 boss kill in HR done in my life in that game guess how much name item i drop ?

[fervent anvil]

awl is from spear skeles and you can find the cloth just on the ground in different spots on GC and ruins

[fervent anvil]

74

[warm dock]

remove the 7

4

[fervent anvil]

so you just got an unlucky streak?

[warm dock]

i did boss more then 100 time got 2 stingray egg no name

[fervent anvil]

also some hr bosses dont drop artifacts. like the gc and ruins first floor bosses

[warm dock]

how do you get 2 stingray egg drop rate 0.01% but you can;t drop a single name item btw i killed stingray 200time atleast since last wipe in HR

[fervent anvil]

cause its just a drop chance. its like dice. you can get the number you want. but you also might not

just depends on how lucky you get

[warm dock]

Name item only for streamer SDF is lying to everyone about drop or telling ppl they uo the drop rate ,

[frosty carbon]

hand how about the bowel

[fervent anvil]

the what?

bellows?

[frosty carbon]

yes sorry XD

[warm dock]

i killed warlord at least 200 time more in HR , i killed ghost king maybe more then 300-400 time , and The lich more then 400 time , sting ray 200 time at least , dragon 70 time at least i got 2 echo 2 db nice game

[fervent anvil]

wraiths

[frosty carbon]

aah ty

[fervent anvil]

[warm dock]

2 echo and 2 DB boys the only time i drop fulgor i got third party and die

The egg is better be worth 500k again or i swear SDF will se me in person

[azure pasture]

why are uniques so buns this season?

[fluid arrow]

anyone else games keep crashing?

[fervent anvil]

they aint. you just gotta get really lucky.

[azure pasture]

ah okay, ty

[fervent anvil]

yeah its one roll that can be up to 3x of its normal value. so you can roll +9 agi on some pieces. or you can roll barely any undead dmg reduction. you just gotta get lucky cause you cant gem them

[high dagger]

yea buddy of mine is unable to load game up, crashes on startup with a gpu dump/ kernel error

[bitter wadi]

Is this the season of memory capacity? It's on every blue+ roll

[edgy sable]

Do you think they will be adding the map genie in this season ?

Add that genie in !

[jagged thunder]

where is like warm stew

[warm tendon]

Kill zombies, they will drop them.

[jagged thunder]

okay

[subtle heart]

I mean, it depends on if they stop doing dumb stuff like reworking the inventory system for one skill

They have to be more efficient

Omg this game has such good combat and core mechanics and mobs but such bad quality of life features!

[dawn roost]

whats the best solo pvp class rn?

[fervent anvil]

prob barb. but you would normally do better on a class you already know over playing something new

[pallid hemlock]

my favorite mechanic is magic crow>fall

[subtle heart]

Didn’t the magic crow damage get removed? I haven’t taken damage from it in a while. Fall damage is just lame I’m glad they don’t have that at least

[dense quest]

Does any know if demons exploitative strike gives you more health with magic healing ?

[pallid hemlock]

no its still there. i dont think fall damage would fit this game either but im pretty sure the only reason we have magic crow and not fall damage is because they dont know how to deal with the case of landing directly on someones head and bouncing off, which can be done far too reliably with double jump

[atomic ridge]

can anyone explain the wyvern phase chaanges in hr?

[warm tendon]

I don't think it does, if I remember correctly it scales of damage.

[inland harbor]

why is the balancing always 0 to 100 to 0 to 100?? Like disarm was strong, yes, but now its "hey, i wont be attacking you for 6 seconds, pls attack me so I can try to use 1 of the 2 skills I can have". Why would they not change it first to sth like just disarm once, not time based so you can equip your weapon instantly.

[warm tendon]

Phases:

• 75% HP, stay under it and crouch when near the center
• 50% HP, hide behind a block
• 25% HP, lock yourself beetween 2 blocks so it doen'st push you off the platform
  Then deal the remaining HP in damage and your got the kill

[atomic ridge]

thank you!

[inland harbor]

they have 2 more seasons until the game is completly dead and somehow they do the same mistakes they did 3 years ago

just sell the game to an actual game developer company, its the only hope this game survives

[lofty barn]

yea they lowkey gutted it i think they shouldve done it to where its like relentless and if you miss the block then its gone

[pallid hemlock]

hey, theyre still estimated to have 1000 players on wipe in 3 seasons. THEN the game will be dead

[inland harbor]

thats exactly what i mean. 3rd season from now will have 1k players, so they cant afford the servers anymore and the game is dead. they also cant sell a game with 1k players

[pallid hemlock]

oh wait no, it is only 2 more. 11k this wipe, 6k next, 1k two from now and then..... 😩

[pallid hemlock]

hey but dont worry! #game-discussion message this will certianly bring in a HUGE wave of new players! a GRAND idea!!

[night folio]

Do the fish people or the crocdiles breathe underwater?

[pallid hemlock]

mobs dont have an oxygen stat. so yes

[night folio]

The player races brother what

[inland harbor]

ye surely, they only needed 3 years for quiver, crossplatform will be possible in like 80 years

[warm tendon]

Crossplatform? please no

[random gyro]

im tired of this game is dead thing people do about every game that isnt a big main stream hit. i don't know if this wipe will be enough to revitalize the game and i think we're a long way from where it peaked but saying the game has died only prevents people from trying it or revisiting it when honestly this wipe has been the best wipe in like a year.

[inland harbor]

the game is not dead yet, 2 more seasons and it is

look at the player count, they legit went from 31 to 26, 21, 16, 11k if nothing changes, next season will be 6k and in 2 season 1k

[solid saddle]

Ignore em most ppl who enjoy the game don’t spent their time in discord that’s why you primarily have ppl who cry in here been that way even when the game had 60k players, even tho I like to hate in sdf this wipe is a step in the right direction for once in a long time

[agile pagoda]

The game is fun. I enjoy it.

[random gyro]

they lost a lot of fans when they removed solo duo that was a huge mistake but they have back tracked and improved the game since then. its the best its ever been it just needs a way to bring in more players

[inland harbor]

thats such a bad take its insane. ppl who "cry" here are the only ones actually wanting a positive change

[pallid hemlock]

oh lmao. no they def dont breath underwater, there no race buffs or attributes anything like that

[random gyro]

are you unhappy with the recent changes?

[inland harbor]

are you happy that once in 4 years the patch was just okay instead of really really bad?

is that enough for you to say, lets go this game will continue?

[agile pagoda]

About a half hour ago some fiend tried to gank me when I was peacefully looting a chest and I cornered him and smashed his skull in

[inland harbor]

and yes im unhappy, because once again they introduce something new, ofc for barb, and now we have 3 months of whirlwind barbs.

[ashen sierra]

Felling Axe needs some sort of adjustment, it has a very short range so it got nerfed very hard due to the movement speed changes this season. Its fast attack animation is no longer an advantage if everyone can just walk away from it. There is this new 10% move speed slow on hit perk, but it doesn't help - it doesn't slow the target enough, and even if it buffed in a patch - having to use a perk slot to make Felling Axe usable again just feels bad. Might as well just use any other axe and pick a more useful perk.

[random gyro]

intresting, so with everything they added like all weapon blocks, the new movement and other stat adjustments that balance gear, you are focused on the skills that you don't like?

[pallid hemlock]

wym by new movement? like midair velocity change on action? that is horrible and is my main complaint about this wipe

[warm tendon]

What is the right way to deal with other people on the wyvern platform? I have to deal with 1 or 2 of them every game. I don't quite get these people? They don't want to be fiiendly but they also do not care for fighting the boss.

[inland harbor]

oh ye, i love the new movement, casters are not for solo anymore because kiting got deleted. and yes the gear balance, that happened like 6 months ago, 1 year ago, 1.5 years ago, 2 years ago 3 years ago, 3.5 years ago ah but you mean the new balance to gear yes thats so special now. how could i focus on the skill that kills anyone within 3 secs

[eternal portal]

he's not wrong

[fringe surge]

Whats the best way to farm Arcane essence, preferably blue or higher, I know high roller but which mobs drop it most?

[night folio]

baby turtles

[warm tendon]

Kiting was hardly possible before lol, now it's just impossible. Also, just stand around a corner and the caster is done for with the exception of sorc.

[fringe surge]

Like for reals???

[night folio]

? kiting was very possible.... skill gap?

[inland harbor]

???? wdym, you jsut have to cast while jumping, how can someone fail that

[night folio]

yah for real the baby turtles drop them everytime you just gotta get over the crime you are committing. unless they changed this already

[fringe surge]

XD

[pallid hemlock]

they couldve slowed your action speed in air.... instead they made your action speed slow you even while midair 🤣🤣🤣🤣 utterly tragic

[warm tendon]

caster always got pushed stupid hard, you could get 1 or 2 spells of and then they were on you, instant death. yeah sure you could mm which worked sometimes

[eternal portal]

do they still release the stats each season? Showing like bosses killed and classes played by percentage and all of that?

[warm tendon]

now that is gone too, only way to play wiz atm is bonk and you will still lose to most classes

[night folio]

I forget how out of touch with the real game people are in here. get outta squire lobbies sometime yall games way different

[warm tendon]

playing hr lol

[inland harbor]

kiting was in a good state. the problem is that you need skill for kiting and if you get kited it feels bad. BUT instead of just nerfing the movementspeed while casting the nerfed the movespeed AND reduced agility by 50%

[pallid hemlock]

they did that before? well considering they removed the player stats on the main menu and replaced it with "achivements" (very exciting things like "reach level 20") i highly doubt it

[night folio]

yah you are definitely hard ass at the game based on this

[warm tendon]

Kiting wasn't possible IMO, everyone had 330 move speed. even if you build 330 move speed on wiz, as soon as you cast you go down to 240 or something, the melee class is on you in 1 second. Every obstacle nukes wiz, enemy can just stand behind it. As soon as you go around it you are in range of sprint/rage and it's game over.

[inland harbor]

you prob never playied this game tbh. if you have 330 ms you have it all the time. now you wont even reach 330 ms but a fighter presses q and has more ms than any other class

I mean they removed kiting because it was too good

they even said it in their qna, they said kiting is so good, but a skill expression. thats why they want to remove it

[warm tendon]

Exactly, melee classes get to you instanlty. get maybe one spell out and then you need to run, they will just run after you, throw some throwables and your are at half hp. then if you finally have a gap after running away from them for 2 minutes, you fire one more spell and then they one tap you

The only class taht could properly kite was warlock. wizard always had issues

[inland harbor]

that is now, before you could kite, kiting is doing dmg while running. like have you ever playied a range class? THEY REMOVED KITING BECAUSE IT WAS TOOO GOOOOOD. hello

[warm tendon]

Yeah warlock was busted, I do not feel the same way about wizard. Just stand behind an obstacle or a door and the wizard is nuteralized

if they come through they die fi they don't come through then you are all good.

[inland harbor]

there are like 10 different aoe spells

[warm tendon]

On wiz? Only lighting strike or whatver it is called, pretty easy to stay just far enough away from the door

[cloud musk]

fireball

[inland harbor]

okay i see that you prob never played a single game of dark and darker in your life

[warm tendon]

Yeah that doesn't work, you deal maybe 15 damage with the splash

meanwhile they are healing in cover

[eternal portal]

maybe they only did it during open betas but i know they used to

[cloud musk]

no you are not

[warm tendon]

Fine

[smoky jetty]

Remove whirlwind

[pallid hemlock]

well i saw people discussing the reason the "player stats" page was removed and one of the reasons was thag it was counting thing incorrectly, id imagine the same would apply for broader stats

[inland harbor]

still, if any dev or from the team reads this: pls sell the game as long as you can, in 2 seasons there will be prob around 1k players and noone would buy a dead game. sell it for the love of the community

[warm tendon]

The game hasn't even been released, it's long from being dead.

[azure hawk]

Bruh lol

[solid plaza]

u just have to kill them or queue up and go next

[solid saddle]

Wanna take a bet on that?

I’ll bet you 50 that the game is gonna have more then 1k players in 2 seasons

[warm tendon]

Game is in version 0.15.yada.yada.

[solid saddle]

Tbff this game is never gonna leave EA imo lol or its gonna be a decade like tarkov

[warm tendon]

Im all fine with that, I enjoy the game for the most part.

[inland harbor]

if the stats continue, there will be 1k players in 2 seasons so yes, ill def bet on it

[warm tendon]

Let them cook, game is improving every season.

[solid saddle]

Aight in writing your name down and I’ll get back to you in 6-8 months at the end of the year

[inland harbor]

THATS THE EXACTZ THING, ITS NOT IMPROVING, its legit getting worse and worse and worse

[warm tendon]

really? I see improvements every single season.

Game is getting better and better.

[inland harbor]

you started yesterday?

[warm tendon]

5k+ hours, yes i started yesterday

[inland harbor]

you know yourself that you dont have 5k hours, you thought that kiting was bad, as if they didnt remove kiting and said, its too good

[warm tendon]

..... idk what to tell you man.

[lunar mason]

5k hours on dnd of all things is not something to brag abt if true 😭

[warm tendon]

haha

[inland harbor]

show me

just get into the client and make a screenshot

[warm tendon]

Its not a brag, they were telling me I'm new and stuff

so I had to put it out there

[warm tendon]

Not using discord on my game PC but if you join my party I'll show you the fame on all my characters

then you can deduce the amount I've played from it.

[inland harbor]

idc about your fame, your hours in game

you said 5k, so if you log in there is a number of around 5k

[warm tendon]

yeah 5100h

[solid saddle]

That’s funny because fame says more then hours

Hours you can just keep the game open fame you actually have to play

[inland harbor]

who cares, its about him knowing that he dont got 5k hours

[warm tendon]

xD

[inland harbor]

i asked him to just show it and he said, join my lobby ill show you my fame XD

i can show you my hours in like 2 mins

[solid saddle]

Bro there are ppl with like 15k hours in this game 5 is not that unbelievable

[inland harbor]

for him it is with the stuff he said

[warm tendon]

I do not feel like taking a screenshot, copying it over on a uSB then hooking it up to my laptop.

[inland harbor]

and also fame says nothing at all, i got more hours in the game before fame was a thing

[warm tendon]

Same, so... I have even more hours?

[solid saddle]

All I’m saying is if he has 1000 fame chars that means more then having 5k hours

[cloud musk]

what r u guys even arguing about lol

[frosty warren]

I need some help identifying an item and im having some trouble when i look it up. I was on forgotten castle and I killed a purple deer thing in one of the tiles. It dropped a artifact rarity item that was a puprple heart. I think it was called a tained heart but am not 100% sure. I then proceded to get 80% of my health deleted by a shit-barian's spin-to-win and lost it. What did I lose? Was it a quest item, just a vendor item or something else. I cant seem to find any info about this online

[inland harbor]

see if you dont know if you would have more or less, it just tells me you dont eve ngot liek 10 hours in the game

[warm tendon]

Please join my lobby

[cloud musk]

look dm

[inland harbor]

just do a screenshot, it takes like 2 secs

[warm tendon]

Yes if I had Discord on my gaming PC.

[inland harbor]

you said " yes ther eis 5100 hours" show me

[solid saddle]

I think that was a deers heart super rare items vendors for like 30k if it is the one I’m thinking off

[cloud musk]

cant show u, ur dm's are closed

[blazing socket]

Is frost wyvern still drops artefacts?

[warm tendon]

Tainted heart is just a player heart with the demi-god reward cosmetic. Right?

[cloud musk]

no it is a drop

[frosty warren]

I think ive opened them

[cloud musk]

its worth 30k

[warm tendon]

sheee

Will bring my teammates heart out next game xD

[frosty warren]

is it just gold? nothing else special?

[cloud musk]

yes

[solid saddle]

Ye afaik

[cloud musk]

and no it doesn't work xd

[inland harbor]

bro has 5100 hours in dark and darker and doesnt know the item XD

[frosty warren]

i dont do dms a lot lol, but thanks for trying

[warm tendon]

Yessir, I don't loot lol. Only bosses, piles and quest items.

[inland harbor]

i know, because you dont play the game

[warm tendon]

haha

[inland harbor]

😄

[warm tendon]

please do yourself a favor and come gathering hall english

[abstract shard]

game still ass?

[warm tendon]

Getting better every season.

[cloud musk]

i bet u didnt know it either

[inland harbor]

i can show you mine

[cloud musk]

sure

[warm tendon]

Well.. back to dungeon crawling then. Will add some more hours to my account 😛

[nova onyx]

where do i get the cracked log?

[grand beacon]

does goblin merchant even return gear anymore?????? or is it broken

[blazing socket]

Does the wyvern give artifacts?

[solid saddle]

Currently only in PvE, once quest come out and you got affinity you get some pieces back every mod apparently

[grand beacon]

christ locked behind the worst questing system known to man

[solid saddle]

Cutting down trees in ruins Hr gives the most in my experience

[solid saddle]

The worst part is the quest aren’t even out yet another weird choice tbh since I would want goblin recovery’s the most during ssf

[swift heart]

Recently my game has been crashing very often.
For example, while I’m in-game, the game suddenly closes and disappears without any error message.
I’ve tried countless fixes but nothing has worked so far.
Is there anyone who can help me solve this issue?

[grand beacon]

souns like dad dev work to me

[eager comet]

if i kill someone and take their kit can i use it arena? even its handled by them

[radiant notch]

sorc still shits on barb btw

[blissful marsh]

HOW TF DO I FIND THE GREEN CEREMONIAL DAGGERS

they dont exist

[jaunty tendon]

game is improving so much we doing 5k average at the start off the season,yup they dont

[solid saddle]

ya arena is not minted you keep all items rn

[molten sundial]

im here

sup

[stone panther]

hit lions heads on the watermap in pve. Or deliver me a pair of broken glasses

[molten sundial]

we should unanimously decide to team kill all barbs that use whirlwind

team kill as in when in solos team up on them

whos with me!

[kind dome]

WTB GOLD GOBLET

[jolly falcon]

Why does it take like 10 minutes to kill Cave troll even though im hitting him 1-2 times with a mace per attack?

[fervent crescent]

what does it take to find ip of griefer to kill him irl?

[keen mauve]

Bro what

[wanton garnet]

i think this game might be close

[radiant notch]

this has to be a skill issue

ae you headshotting him

[clear pendant]

you playing squire cleric?

[ebon dagger]

There's no gear cap in arena, right?

[warm tendon]

Epic gear cap

[ebon dagger]

Cringe

[warm tendon]

Its better, more fun

[full plover]

i just died to skinnypete in the gob caves bruh lol

[tranquil forge]

i have a queston can you get purple ornx gloves??? i cant seem to find any so is that a thing

[stone panther]

no, totally not a thing. https://gyazo.com/6a023c22307714618317f442c70f5b0f

[tranquil forge]

mb

[weak egret]

That’s the red lizard lair, gotta be careful in there lol

[obtuse pumice]

are the devs trolling or are they actually this braindead? how long are they gonna let barbs ruin the game ? holy shit

down to 8k players already

[pallid hemlock]

yes

keep in mind, the watched 5% or all s2r spawns kill themself immediately upon water map spawn and they said "well i guess were putting effort into a map again!"

and this #game-discussion message 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[dawn mulch]

Can anyone help me where i can find a static spawn for wardweed?

[atomic glacier]

Cyclops module where the mage/champ is

[silver smelt]

nadsly ❤️

[pallid hemlock]

♥️🇨 🇴 🇲 🇲 🇺 🇳 🇮 🇹 🇾

[dawn mulch]

muchas gracias senor

[warm tendon]

Wardweed spawns in the goblin caves, there are roughly 20-30 spawn points. They spawn along the edge of the module. Just loot a couple modules and you should fine some.

[blissful marsh]

u lied

just ran like 10 games looted probably 30 lion heads found none

[stone panther]

it drops like 1 in 50. What are you doing only hitting 3 chests a round though? From the southwest of the hole (coral forest) to the east is a string of like 8 of them

[blissful marsh]

[feral karma]

Locking maps behind gold, and ap rank was a pointless and stupid decision.

[weak egret]

It took a while but I assure you that’s where I found mine too

[blissful marsh]

i got them 🥹

[weak egret]

Let’s gooo!!!

[blissful marsh]

made like 10k pve

[warm locust]

anybody know how to get broken glasses

[pallid hemlock]

wait, so youre saying that watching 5% of the playerbase kill themself immediately upon s2r water map spawn, deciding to put effort into a new map anyways, and not even having it immediately available on wipe was a BAD idea? surely not!!

[marsh pewter]

imp rare drop

[white shore]

does anybody know how to get consistently iron rusty keys?

[stone panther]

open those small metal boxes

[white shore]

but I have to find them right

[stone panther]

well.. yeh. Grab something quick and just run through the modules scanning for them

[white shore]

yeah :/

[surreal finch]

once I join a random party, is it possible to leave and form a new one with Y?

[warm locust]

imp?

[fervent anvil]

Boss, miniboss and small coffer. Mostly bosses tho

[signal echo]

guys is arena SSF or items will be deleted upon death ?

[lyric bronze]

any items purple and lower

[white shore]

miniboss too like golem and cockatrice? @fervent anvil

[smoky jetty]

sup

[tepid dust]

how does arena gear work what can i bring into arena and still keep?

[lyric bronze]

no like skele champ and they drop in golden chest also

[feral karma]

Still no nerf for whirlwind either.

[silent fable]

are there gear scores in norms again or no?

[warm tendon]

Rarity based, normals has a rarity cap of "rare" (blue items).

[steep pike]

how are yall getting tidestone?

[meager berry]

in the middle of water map or kill stingray

[fervent anvil]

stingray boss, dealmaker, middle of the water map and religion

[devout brook]

Make solo wiz perks

[edgy sable]

So happy they finally put the bridges in water map we all requested
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1083995448378916964/1468157865037533299/image.png?ex=698e34d0&is=698ce350&hm=7a35bd3fbf1feb4054ae75de23303d7ef953b7ff8ac955e1662ca1a3d8bc4e39&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1183&height=789

[warm kraken]

so do the devs know people have to spend like 10 hours grinding for a shitty green ceremonial dagger or is that okay with them

[wraith egret]

GJ SDF again with the braindead whirlwind ability implemention, literally singlehandedly ruining the whole melee new wipe mechanics, gj ironmace, keep the good work up

[blazing raft]

Barbarian

[warm kraken]

just block

[gusty sentinel]

crazy how parry needed a damage nerf and they added it to every weapon

[broken grove]

how much HP colossus have in norm and HR? i want to do a french guide for the boss but i cant find this info

[blazing raft]

They might need 2 buttons now!

[obtuse agate]

Not enough boxes, so many secrets dont have a box in them anymore. Could probably bump the box count by 15-20% with no impact to gameplay tbh

[blazing raft]

Barbarians be looking for families

Fr I think sorc is for sure up there

[gusty sentinel]

terrible wipe shouldnt of wasted my time

[fervent palm]

Can you get artifacts on Gobby caves?

[blazing raft]

Idk i just came back to tge game after about a year and I am loving this wipe

[lament vale]

anyone else getting DC'd after a red portal?

[elfin oyster]

everybody in this game is such a weirdo now. third party or run to a red

[remote shoal]

is arena going to be ssf?

[analog summit]

the current implementation of the random attribute rolls on gear is nice right now

[warm tendon]

No it is not

[outer grail]

alright so you are telling me, spend 1,000 gold on the pve blue maelstrom and open up lionheads and treasure piles? what would be the best character to do that on? and also cockatrice feather i cant find for the love of me

[fervent anvil]

if you wanna do it on water map you can. i didnt but you do you. class i would say is bard. for the lockpick song

[tribal zodiac]

bard or rogue. if you want PvE I suggest more rogue for DJ and cheese mobs.. later on bard for great dmg, action speed etc.

[crisp wren]

any of y'all got the "Error code: 9 Unable to update anticheat components" ???

[kind dome]

WTB GOLD GOBLET

[main lintel]

day 152 of telling devs to delete pve mode... its all gold sellers and bots farming... your normals and hr lobbies are empty while the pve modes are full. this was never designed and explicitly stated throughout the years to be a hardcore pvp game

[azure hawk]

Exactly what I was saying when it was being conceived and majority of people in here complained about loot gatekeeping

[main lintel]

what loot gatekeeping though right? i mean The entire premise of the game is to kill others or bosses and take the loot.... why on earth they think its ok for people to gather gear in a PVE server and then bring that gear into a PVP lobby is crazy. defeats the purpose of the game

[severe basalt]

not only is PVE mode here to stay, youre being forced into it by quest givers
i think i had to run like 30 lobbies to find the stupid items required, and i dont even want to play PVE

the equivalent of wow dailies

[agile pagoda]

Just Faustian Bargained and killed someone as a Skeleton Archer lmfao

[main lintel]

i have not seen a single silver chalic or gold goblet for the first quest... or i havnt seen a single green ceremonial dagger... i havnt even paid to unlock the pve modes... why would i want to play "an online pvp game" as a single player experience.... oh wait pve isnt even just single player... its a single player mode where i have to spawn in late.... and load into entirely looted lobbies and i cannot even stop them

[brazen pike]

[tribal zodiac]

freakin green Silver chalice cant be found fr

lol there is person right above this post bitchin on chalice xD what

[outer grail]

Alr alr

[void vale]

Looking for hot girl to play with me

[cloud musk]

from the colossus hell boss yes

[tribal zodiac]

anyway for PVE if you get a lot gear with luck, bard would be better option.

There is only Blue+ items from treasure pile? -_-

[radiant mortar]

does sturdy cloth not always spawn? fourth time i fight a guy over it and i still don't find it

[lyric bronze]

go to pve mode water map open all the lions head chests, they will drop the green ceremonial dagger also with the chalice and stuff

[undone wolf]

how do you get out of the Blindfall Pit? is it a trap? 😂

[blissful marsh]

its on all the maps

[lyric bronze]

yeah sometimes it dosnt drop

[drifting hinge]

Is it possible to gift red shards somehow?

[fervent anvil]

i dont think so

[brazen pike]

not directly

[drifting hinge]

Okay

[radiant mortar]

oh for real? thought it was a blue maelstrom only

[blissful marsh]

yeah they changed it

i think on frost in can spawn in the middle

[main lintel]

yeah i am not playing that garbage

[rapid vapor]

its all over ruins

[patent zodiac]

You know what would solve the whole quest item thing... opening the goddamn trade feature already lol. I'd rather just spend an insane amount of gold rather than hunt for spear skeleton awls for weeks 🤣 .

[radiant mortar]

i would really agree but i hate the combat once market opens

[patent zodiac]

Someone gets lucky finds more sturdy cloth than they need, make some money, someone gets to lose the headache of finding said cloth, win win

[patent zodiac]

Fair point. Maybe only open market for non consumables and non combat gear. Basically just junk and maybe gems

[quartz skiff]

Does finishing blow work on bosses like banshee?

[blissful marsh]

sturdy cloth is the easiest of the quests '

just gotta kbow where to find it

you know where the cockatrice is on first layer ruins with the two towers on each side?

theres usually one if you go up the ladder on the other side

then right above that module one or two, theres the one with the resurrection that you have to pull the lever for to get up to it, and there can be one there as well

[azure hawk]

Welcome to the DaD community

[exotic pulsar]

how do i get better squire gear?

[visual oracle]

where can i find gold ore?

[fervent anvil]

do quests
Armourer for armour
Leathersmith for leather gear
Tailor for cloth gear
Alchemist for most spell casting items
Fortune teller for crystal ball
Weapon smith for weapons
woodsman for bows and crossbows

[exotic pulsar]

ty

[fervent anvil]

double gc boss room. theres 4 bits of ore there

[visual oracle]

i was hoping that wasn't the case but thanks

[blissful marsh]

or buy from the deal merchant

thats what i did

[halcyon coral]

I've heard that you get green ceremonial daggers from water map PvE. Is this true?

[blissful marsh]

yes

took me like an hour 30 tho

[halcyon coral]

Where do I find them? Anywhere?

[fervent anvil]

the bosses aint hard to do. + you can get a teammate to do one while you do the other in pve a couple times

[blissful marsh]

the lion heads

[halcyon coral]

Anybody know where the captain's key goes on water map?

[fervent anvil]

one of the broken boats. you go inside and theres a locked door

[halcyon coral]

Vague but thanks

[fervent anvil]

its the one laying on its side i think. i dont play the map. only been to the key room once

[jade granite]

Does anyone have tanglethreads atm? That would be down to trade

[pallid hemlock]

its right next to spiral island in the center

[nimble prism]

Yep, sdfs vision baby. Curate ur game towards the people that suck at it lol

[nimble prism]

Gotta love it

[void kestrel]

arrows are slow as f and feel horrible to shoot. Probably the slowest arrow i've seen in an fps game, maybe ever

[dawn monolith]

Top left if map. Squared on one side and it juts out in 3 spots on others. Will.be a upside down sunken ship with a hole underwater. Go through the hole break the wood wall and it's on the left all the way back

It's not directly in that corner. Closer to middle than that corner but in that direction

It's just a blank wall. Won't see it till you hover it

[halcyon coral]

You're the first person to give concise direction and explanation. Thank you I was getting frustrated lol.
I asked my friend and he was like "it's a ship idk"

[dawn monolith]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1ns6mr7/blue_maelstrom_cheat_sheet_map/

Top middle has the blue l shape over it
Edit: it's a blue checkmark I realize now

[signal echo]

is luck worth for pve mode bosses ?

[dawn monolith]

Broken last I heard

Been broken for a long time

[signal echo]

ok ty !

[silent terrace]

when do thje rest of teh quests come out?

[quiet terrace]

Same, at least it’s not just me. Does he have an intel cpu 13th/14th gen?

[quiet terrace]

Yes, cant even open the game

[proper talon]

So I'm on the last weaponsmith quest. Where do you get gold ore for an ingot now? Haven't played in a while.

[fervent anvil]

from the double boss room in GC. just kill both bosses or kill one and hope someone else is doing the other. theres a stone door inside the boss loot rooms that you can open when both are dead

[sonic maple]

Idk it's a ship

[proper talon]

That the only place? I'm not the best at bossing lol

[fervent anvil]

i think it might spawn in ruins golems but like stupidly rare.

main place is that boss room tho.

or wait for market

[proper talon]

Damn okay.

Ty

[fervent anvil]

the bosses are easy to learn so i dont think it would take too long to get

[edgy sable]

:Rework second wind to only refill your oxygen bar on water map

[proper talon]

What class would you recommend for it?

[vapid oyster]

druid

[fervent anvil]

warlock can heal off the bosses so you can make more mistakes, + phantomise lets you mess up even more without dying. bard is fastest but you have to make less mistakes. fighters is just good overall. tho i recommend just sticking with a class you already know

[stone oak]

when market opens you can buy it if you need

[proper talon]

Mkay Ima do some research. Ty

[edgy sable]

rework map genie directly into the game

[proper talon]

Yeah if I can't get it prior to market opening.

[fervent anvil]

👍 gl in getting the ore. i would offer to help but im ill and its late as shit so i would prob fuck up alot lol

[proper talon]

Lol all good I think the only time I've ever killed GC boss is witha buddy and we cheesed it on rangers

[edgy sable]

go pve and leech it like everyone else! nasty leech party

[fervent anvil]

troll is walk in a circle and walk away every 4 attacks and cyclops is literally just walk in a circle and go for headshots on rockfall. only thing you gotta make sure to do tho is keep proper distance

[proper talon]

That would require me making sure I have fast interaction speed to mine the gold before someone else XD

[mental garden]

fire build seems like the only viable option for wizard period, it's very good, but forces you into 1 spec for most games imo

[nova sable]

what artifacts drop from gk

[fervent anvil]

list i got has DB pulv, stick and zwei on it

[fervent anvil]

bonk people

[nova sable]

Didnt they data mine it this season?

[fervent anvil]

idk. i dont look at data mined stuff

[lime delta]

ayone else havnif this weird thing where they gradually lose fps till it caps like at 10 within a few minutes ingame? its almost like a memory leak and it just started today

[lean parrot]

What stats should I focus on with a warlock?

I know in the before times it was similiar to cleric with magical healing and magical power + will but Im not sure anymore

[fervent anvil]

depends on the type of warlock

[lean parrot]

I havent played in a while but I used to run like curse of pain and hydra

[fervent anvil]

so normal caster?

like with torture mastery?

[lean parrot]

Yeah, not trying to be obtuse but my larp is curse of pain, heal myself, toss out hydra for spice, try and tick down opponet health then transform into a demon and use my shards with the right click.

[fervent anvil]

so hybrid demon lock

[lean parrot]

ive tried googling some builds but everything comes back with like 2 year old videos

I know I used to just stack magic healing and magic damasge but I have a hard time with the calculations. Just a dad that wants to follow a build and have fun in solos haha

[fervent anvil]

i would run with good hp. atleast 120. stack some agi so its easier to kite people at the start. a bit of magic healing. atleast enough to get 1 extra hp out of TM. if you planning on being close and using exploitation strike as a demon then dont worry too much about stacking alot of magic dmg, tho getting some is always nice for darkbolt headshots.

you just wanna make sure you can tank some hits in melee with or without the exploitation strike healing and you want enough ms to kite most classes

[minor sequoia]

idk if i like how tm can only heal up to max phys heal

[fervent anvil]

tho if you are in squire kit then focus on being a bit more tanky in melee while still keeping your ms up. the lycan skin is really nice when paired with squire demon

[lean parrot]

looking at this, just in a raid atm

thanks for everyones input I appreciate it

[ashen willow]

just me or parry bugs out sometimes and just doesnt happen?

[fervent anvil]

not just you. servers like to break for a second sometimes

[ashen willow]

thats actually terrible

[fervent anvil]

shield blocking has felt fine for me tho.

sometimes pve just likes to go through weapons. mainly pve with big weapons

[lean parrot]

Enough magic healing for 1.0 in the TM tool tip?

[fervent anvil]

i think its like 5-6 healing with vamp on

[lean parrot]

I run the squire kit and the keep my up to blue upgrades on until I die kind of a deal, at least until the flea opens back up.

[fervent anvil]

its not really needed tho. i just like having the extra hp per hit when im running TM

[lean parrot]

Copy, do have vamp on.

[fervent anvil]

i dont bother with magic heal in squire

[lean parrot]

Im running TM, Vamp, Soul Coll, and malice, I can cast TM and get that easy hp back with just the squire healing stuff. I've found a little bit of things to help me in dungeon.

[fervent anvil]

if thats whats working for you then stick with it. the build i run with has a much higher focus on melee then kiting

[lean parrot]

with the idea being ill do a little DPS before truning into a vamp and hitting a dark bolt with all three shards if I get into pvp

idk I woulldnt say its working or not but I havent played like crazy, kind of just getting back into it.

Lobe the self heal idea, so previous wipes I played Warlock and Pally usually =, but ended up liking warlock a little more because the skill gap seemed higher

but that was a long time ago

I sopped playing before the druid even came out

[fervent anvil]

if its getting you out alive then its working. you could mess around with some stuff and change things around. like i wouldnt really use malice cause i would rather have something like antimagic. but my exact build might not work for you

[sonic maple]

I'm so full of coffee ugggg

[lean parrot]

I like that it increases spell power in theory, but Im not sure if that translates to tick damage.

[fervent anvil]

i mostly dont run with spells as a demonlock. i bring phantomise instead of them. i still have the range with demon form but i do like getting into melee with it

[lean parrot]

big poop inbound

[fervent anvil]

it wont effect power of sacrifice cause thats just a fixed 3 but it might effect curse of pain a bit. initial dmg is 1.0 scaling

[lean parrot]

Yeah my "Primary" Spell is curse of pain, in the tool tip I see 1.0 for the initial attack and then .5 for the tick, but what does that scale with. Will?

Thanks again for answering my Q's , if you get bored and stop responding no hartd feelings I get it.

[fervent anvil]

your will increases your magic power so yeah it does

[fervent anvil]

ive played too much warlock so im fine with answering questions about it

[lean parrot]

So my magic power bonus is 17.9% would my initial COP damage be 15 X 17.9% and tick 15 X % 8.95 ?

[fervent anvil]

theres more that goes into it but yeah you can basically see it like that

tho you also have the extra magic dmg from whatever casting weapon you got

and the magic resist of the enemy

simple way to do it is (spell+magicdmg)x(magicbonus/scaling). idk the exact calculations for it but thats what i would do

[lean parrot]

What's scaling refer to?

[fervent anvil]

the number in brackets next to the spell dmg

[lean parrot]

Thanks again man, Im really not trying to be annoying.

[fervent anvil]

the magic dmg on you weapon i think is hit by the spell scaling aswell

[fervent anvil]

is all good. i like answering questions about the game