game-discussion

[lilac notch]

💀

[viral zephyr]

then why tf you complaing about barbs with 330 ms when you play barb

[exotic ermine]

i just wanna say its so typical that you come in here and starting opposing literally everyone in chat but yet i get a warning for causing conflict like ok coo W Dnd Disc staff, very typical of you

[lilac notch]

maybe cuz he isnt dependent on OP rolls

[cunning mauve]

Bro what, i play BARD. not BARB. Can we get this guy some glasses

[viral zephyr]

bard is the better barb yk

[grizzled adder]

seen better ragebait tho

[cunning mauve]

Ive seen my fetus sister have better cognitive function than whatever you do

[exotic ermine]

`[][phone]=p

[vocal cobalt]

is it just me or why are all my items dropping when i press only right click like i would press shift+ right click?

[tepid falcon]

Did they revive the game with this patch?

[noble aurora]

that happened before usually fixes pretty quick

[cunning mauve]

Happens to me too sometimes, silly bug and bugger

[vocal cobalt]

thanks

[noble aurora]

that happened to me putting stuff into expressman only to realize i dropped everything on the ground and couldnt pick them up in time LMAO

[vocal cobalt]

happend to me with some legendary stuff right last game

[small inlet]

Thank you for fixing the game @glad thunder

[noble aurora]

clear chat is small but def nice

[haughty mist]

Really out did themselves this time didn’t they

[crisp wren]

So how do modifiers look like now, is it one per item or what

[noble aurora]

back to unique 5 rolls

[cosmic swan]

No it as usual, 1 green, 2 blue, 3 epic. But no MS, no more HP, no base stat on ring cloack and necklace. No true, only 1 to 2 on weapon (linked to additional weapon damage so you can get both true and add weapon)

[frigid grove]

this game is dead now, they have ruined it

[void kestrel]

we backtracking boys. Make DaD Great Again. Will sdf actually use the test server before making drastic changes mid-season? Well that remains to be seen

[crisp wren]

What a sick joke they literally reverted everything, next we are getting solos back and SDF somehow doesn't see the problem with his development cycle

[frigid grove]

we need to cap movement speed at 300, so we dont have this running around with all the attributes

[brazen gate]

they didnt really revert it, they made it worse than it used to be

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[noble aurora]

there is no move speed bonus rolls

[void kestrel]

ah yes. The suggestion box to garbage can pipeline. I'm quite familar with this

[cosmic swan]

You think so? I like that there no MS and that True are nerfed a lot and linked to Additional weapon damage. He removed HP roll and didn't changed the 2x damage on HS so the TTK issues is most likely still here tho...

[subtle heart]

whats a gold coin chest worth currently?

[brazen gate]

TTK issues the same, didn't really change.
Neck & Rings not rolling attributes is also boring AF

[cosmic swan]

It used to be that way. And imo base stat on ring etc was part on why the random attribut became too powerful on S6 (before the semi-wipe)

[jolly sequoia]

LMFAOOO we are back to where we were before this season i cant with this game

[brazen gate]

Can't really compare rolling +2 strength in a ring or epndant to a +1 all its a huge efficiency difference

[cosmic swan]

But without true damage or vase stat it's true that ring and neck don't feel as good anymore

[noble aurora]

well maybe rings/necklaces shouldn't have been so powerful to begin with

[brazen gate]

All you can roll on rings/necks now is like 2 good rolls or smth and thats it since also no more hp rolls / attributes/true dmg / add dmg. Like hello? new bis is buff duration omegalul no thanks

[cosmic swan]

Yes, I think so

[hardy stump]

1. season ended, that's why we had all these changes
2. the changes were on test server, even a step further, which was never brought to live
3. moving backwards all the time does not make anything great, except depression

[earnest drift]

Do you really think stat checking someone is fun? Gear should bring out the potential of a class, not trivialize encounters like it used to. Gear also shouldn’t negate the downside of classes, like rogues having 150 life and 50% pdr while its whole gimmick is being fragile but oportunistic. The previus iteration were breaking class identity and negating the intrinsic weakness of classes. I get that the power fantasy of god gear is good but thats only brings a cascade of problems (that IM was trying to bandaid without resolving the core issue)

[cosmic swan]

I'll have to do some maths about projectile reduction, it look like you can stack a fair amount now. Maybe this meta is full plate + projectile reduction and fuck ranger xD

[maiden knot]

Okey, first step complete. Second step is return solo duo

[brazen gate]

Anyways, pointless to really argue, games dead, sdf has 0 clue on how to code or keep a game alive, he has no clue how his game works or what the players want. No matter how much he tries to change it will never be in the right direction and the game will never recover its playerbase. I'm leaving this discord it's been a good ride for the past 3.5k hours 🫡

[subtle heart]

Please someone help! I need to price check a gold coin chest?!?!?

[void kestrel]

I got true physical on my weapons now. lmao

[jagged dew]

Guys this is all just a bad nightmare weve just been dreaming every terrible playerbase killing decision since multiclassing

[cosmic swan]

[shut mural]

HE FORGOT TO ADD DAMAGE BACK TO DAGGERS

[wooden robin]

guys will be there another wipe tomorrow?

[jolly sequoia]

That the thing, he didnt forget

[void kestrel]

okay, bro. We'll see you tomorrow then

[hardy stump]

keeping affixes without fueling exponential stat gear gap is a good thing tho

[pine dawn]

club meta barb back at it again

[coarse portal]

Like I said before all he had to do was tone down stats. I 100% believe they were getting outta control. But what did he do? Added move speed, and plus all back for the 7th time. Gear shouldn't have been that crazy. But to not reward players for being better or time spent and just removing stats all together was totally wrong

[tardy siren]

I need solo

[cosmic swan]

So what do you think of the gear with this patch? I'll need to play a bit to be sure but it look decent

[jagged dew]

with the new 500 memory capacity builds we can finally remember a time when sdf wasnt psychotic

[cosmic swan]

Still not enough for that

[valid kettle]

THANK YOU WARGOD MASTER DEMIGOD DRUID MASTER SDF YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN AND I LOVE YOU SO MUCH THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

[proven kraken]

ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY,

[hot oak]

its been like this since season 1

[earnest drift]

I get your point, I personally dont like the random mods system but some system is better than no system. What I hoped for from the removel of random mods was the addition (or anoucement of addition) of a new system. Random mods now are tied to build variety and chracter progression, if you are to remove that, you should garantee those aspects of the game in some other way (which didnt happen)

[valid kettle]

DO NOT QUESTION THE VISION IN IT'S GLORY THIS WAS ALL APART OF THE PLAN AND IT IS PERFECT WOOO

[wooden robin]

IS THERE A WIPE TOMORROW?

[drifting raptor]

Don’t need to tell us cya

[wide bough]

I really dont get it. DId they change anything at all? They removed +All and +MS from the rolls... but anything else? Like, it took 2 WEEKS to do this GRAND solution and killing half the playerbase? holy

[cosmic swan]

No more base stat on ring neck and cloak, no more true execpt on weapon but the stat is linked to add weapon damage now so you can get both, no more HP roll

[coarse portal]

Im at work so ill have to check it out here in a bit

[sterile wraith]

also tru dmg is only on weapons now.

the gear rolls and gear overall looks fine.

Still no duos and solos though so game still unplayable

[wide bough]

Thanks. But the Values themselfes are precisely the same as two weeks ago, aye? It seems so... lazy

[graceful kettle]

We couldn't 1v3 before the update , how are we supposed to 1v3 now with all the modifiers back ? Can u just add Solo please , lots of players won't come back jsut because of it

[toxic sedge]

do some of you know why the market is extremly low ? how to fix the problem ?

[cosmic swan]

A bit lower I think

[wraith rover]

same shit diferent color

[gilded viper]

@zinc sparrow Bravo, developers, nice patch. now i used longsword, blocked 3 attacks vs crystalsword aaannnnndddd..... 0 parre

[main lintel]

wait... so they brought ALL STATS back again.......... what are they doing...... why not just bring back 1 random modifier

[cosmic swan]

No more base stat on ring neck and cloak, no more true execpt on weapon but the stat is linked to add weapon damage now so you can get both, no more HP roll

[wide bough]

Yeah, Uniques have 5 rolls

[wraith rover]

thats what im saying same shit diferent color i got +3 str ....

[main lintel]

WHY did they literally completely backflip... why not just ADD 1 MODIFIER ........

[wide bough]

I really dont know either

[wraith rover]

i now, i played the test server and 1 md was not that bad....

[strange rover]

Bro the vision, trust the vision, back tracking and all that is just apart of the vision, y'all just don't have eyes I bet /s

[main lintel]

what is the reasoning though. they literally just changed back everything.... and then also made it significantly worse than last season with the weapon changes...... seriously... so they just shifted the meta and thats it

[solid ravine]

STDF WHY DID YOU STEAL A GAME IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT?

[wraith rover]

unike with 6 modif.... xD

[sullen vector]

are solos back

[strange rover]

It's crazy how big this game could be, but with sdf at the helm it just ain't gonna get there. Sad to see really

[polar swift]

nope

[wraith rover]

this is never going to end sdf just don't understands how to build a game, now i really believe they steal the game...

[winter tinsel]

If they bring solos back it’s basically full circle back to season 5 minus the gear brackets lol

[sullen vector]

damn so i have to play with the shitters from the server

[weary herald]

mods should start from blue 1

[winter tinsel]

At the same time there are only so many ppl interested in extraction looters and Tarkov holds majority of the market. IMO IM would have a better chance reaching a new audience by making the game cross platform to consoles

[fast steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/nikocado-avocado-griddy-nikocado-avocado-nikocado-avocado-griddy-gif-27024593

[polar swift]

yes

[sullen vector]

why didnt they wipe with this patch? when is wipe

[idle whale]

for self found arena, is it only items found on same character or all?

[stone panther]

they really should have changed it to just (gem-able) 1 mod. And just have the value range of it scale up with rarity, similar to base stats. So more rare is higher stat ( *chance)

[sullen vector]

has to be same character

[safe arch]

Absolute agreement. I actually made this exact suggestion on the website earlier today

[idle whale]

seriously? thats lame as hell

[sullen vector]

how. if you want to upgrade your barb. you have to play barb. makes sense 0_o

[wraith rover]

so they remove +tru from rings and cap, but now weapons have +2 tru and lets not forget they increase +1 dmg on phoenix and frost so.... there we go that's a big change xD

[winter tinsel]

0 trading your homies. 0 playing multiple classes. Woohoo self found SO fun

[stone panther]

get cheap blue thing from market. Get ruby from market.
slap them in the chemist. SeLf FoUnD.

But go in HR all day as a cleric to help the homies and wanting to hop on your fighter in arena at night. GiT GuTt Bro, sock it and use your timmie gear . Make it make sense

[safe arch]

One random attribute that scales up with rarity would still allow for gear to feel meaningfully stronger at higher rarities, but it wouldn't allow class identity to be erased in the way that having multiple attributes per gear piece does.

[sullen vector]

sounds like a design flaw huh and ruby isnt bis

[autumn granite]

Am I the only one that’s tired of every update just being re buffing stuff that was nerfed and nerfing stuff that was buffed? It’s just an endless cycle. Add something new already

[potent jasper]

Does arena have rank rewards like high roller or no?

[cosmic swan]

Not yet, it's planned for further season

[copper nebula]

totally agree

[solar flume]

balancing its not easy

[ashen willow]

Were doing a full circle 😂 Give us back solos and were back to where we started basically

[stark spoke]

balancing is soo easy if you just want to

[clear kettle]

Ok hear me out, all modes have loot, only adventure mode let's you bring loot, but loot found is capped. Hardcore is basic kit only, but has best loot, arena lets you battle for kits to keep, and ranked is same as hardcore except you start full naked and are only able to bring in class weapons. And bring back solos duos and trios. This might make the bis meta better for pvp only and keep the pvepvp more of a skill and rng based thing.

[hardy stump]

not being able to bring kits to HR is literally counter productive to the whole genre, please do not pass your genes down the line with ideas like these, tho with that approach, you'd probably delve in wrong dungeon anyway, so its safe

[tacit fossil]

sdf pls hop off your alt account

[clear kettle]

I didn't say high roller I said hardcore, you can have a bis dungeon high roller queue if you want to pvpve and ante gold to get in so you can spawn rush for some good kit, but you also should not get insurance and just have full risk. I mean nightmare mode chances to spawn lvl 2 dungeon hardcore and have more of a roguelite experience vs melee tarkov with extra steps.

[wicked oracle]

No solos?

[cosmic swan]

No

[umbral iron]

Would someone be willing to reply to this message to tell me if this update is a W or an L and explain why?

[valid egret]

wait so sdf basically reverted it after realizing the game is shit?

[stark spoke]

its the best update ever, no rolls shit. 9999 move speed rolls is shit ( removed all ms rolls ). now its balanced and has rolls

[winter tinsel]

The game is saved. Millions of ppl will flock to play it. The future is bright

[wide bough]

It was only possible because they removed ALL RANDOM ROLLS before!

[winter tinsel]

and solos?? Bahhh who needs solos

[clear kettle]

With no solo duo trio queues the game is ded and I went to something else to have fun in a dungeon bc BIS gear is just market hustling and not about finding or winning it with a good fight or having awesome rng, if you want high roller with people with full gold just waffle stomping lobbies bc of paid gear be my guest.

[carmine hearth]

I guess the vision was to make changes and revert them all along

[ebon basalt]

back and forth back and forth back and forth

[sterile wraith]

at least they added new content this patch right guys

[proven kraken]

ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY, ADD STUFF, TAKE IT AWAY,

[ebon basalt]

this is exactly whats happening, pick a side sdf

[torpid wigeon]

ranger was finally in a good place. bows actually did what they were supposed to. I swear whoever balances this game eats giant piles of mushrooms before hand. YOUR SO OUT OF TOUCH WITH "BALANCING" its crazy

[proven kraken]

They did? please tell me thats not sarcasm

[sterile wraith]

nah mate, they didnt add jack shit, just keep recycling changes

[ebon basalt]

their ''balancing'' is either blowing it out of the water with a new gamebreaking mechanic, or nerfing it to the ground, there is never, and i say NEVER a slight tweak to things

[proven kraken]

why do the recycled changes have to be so extreme, why cant the changes be small and maybe more often? one min i can play a class the next its nerfed to F**k

[hardy stump]

3 to 5
5 to 3

[carmine hearth]

Got to be the worst dev team in the industry

[severe ridge]

W patch, but needs some work

[sterile wraith]

i mean, at this point we must realize that creating a problem and then solving it doesn't make you a problem solver. It makes you primarly a problem creator

[sullen vector]

everyone is still low hp......

[hardy stump]

check that game called Eternal Crusade
or development story of 7 days to die

[karmic granite]

Has wipe already happened?

[sterile wraith]

late august the earliest, so knowing ironmace it might happen somehwere in late september

[proven kraken]

i wish they would just wipe the WHOLE game into nothing.....its so annoying right now

[glossy thorn]

thats how extract games have to work otherwise the rich get rich and the poor get poorer

[hardy stump]

wipe is next month, get it already people

[merry crater]

Rogue is still ass

[karmic granite]

Why would it take months to add a new wipe

[proven kraken]

totally, try and get close to a reasonable sorc....LOL no chance

[hardy stump]

because we're in the middle of gear rebalance attempt to make the game more fair, ques consolidated, 1v3 possible and stat checking removed

will it succeed? no one hopes for it

[winter tinsel]

Swimming ain’t ready yet

[proven kraken]

need to allow multi map and multi game type queues to help out queue times..

[karmic granite]

Will solo/duos ever return?

[terse tundra]

I really hope so

[idle whale]

i think i killed lorr

[karmic granite]

Would be cool if they added a training room to practice spell casting sword swinging etc. where you could test out gear builds without losing the gear going into a game

[stiff talon]

its called pve, thats the whole point of adventure mode

[winter tinsel]

#sdfs-kitchen message

[indigo wagon]

Good good guys @ironmace

[gray kestrel]

There is something I want to be sure. If I buy looted items example wolf pet for quests. After trade its gonna stay as looted and I can handle the quest ?

[winter tinsel]

No it becomes handled. There are some quests which say “loot state: any” but looted has to be brought out from dungeon

[weary herald]

wtf do you want ttk 3 hours?..barbs are gonna run 200hp again anyway same shit

[gray kestrel]

Ok so this wolf pelt farming will be at the cost of my sanity I guess. Same for bat

[winter tinsel]

Go ice cavern. Wolf pelts for days

[karmic granite]

Would there ever be a thought of quads? Or would that be to much?

[gray kestrel]

They doesn't drop im unlucky

[smoky jetty]

Can yall finally buff Druid so that I can kill HR wyvern again in 3 mins? It’s not worth getting more than 33 agi now cause the scaling sucks

[rigid flower]

So... We ever going to get our HP back we lost from patch 69 or nah?

[gray kestrel]

Its faster to do it with the chicken peck

[smoky jetty]

Ngl with this bad scaling I might even believe that

[winter tinsel]

Play norms for best chance. HR and pve mode drops are funky

[spiral fern]

i love being forced to trio and then getting team killed for my loot as soon as i spawn

[quartz salmon]

@manic pecan WHAT GAME IS THIS

[gray kestrel]

Are you crazy enough to try it

[hardy stump]

nope, they literally said they want to keep current TTK, this is why PDR and +health is gone

[robust crypt]

kill 1 get spammed by ranger wizard how tf does sdf think he can balance this

[smoky jetty]

Sure, but I try on normal first

[gray kestrel]

HR reduce the chance of green and pve have shit loot rate ? What if you do pve + luck

[wide bough]

you have to fight against 3 rangers, then everything makes sense

[torpid wigeon]

100 hours into grinding for my arena kit, only to find out i cant run any of it. This game is just not it anymore, so fucking sad, cuz dungeon crawiling in fp is badass. DO BETTTTER

[winter tinsel]

Luck just decreases the drop rate of junk and common items so it wouldn’t do much. They still drop in pve just not as often

[robust crypt]

1 surv bow 1 recurve and 1 long bow

[golden trout]

still no solos?

[winter tinsel]

Yuh man they could have used an in game calendar ages ago. Give ppl like a few weeks heads up since not everyone is reading the discord or the giant wall of text when you open game

[gray kestrel]

My luck is so shit I even got more bat hide than bat ear

[torpid wigeon]

yeah man, i truly feel cheated. idk how to shake it, but im sitting here in the lobby and just cant bring myself to que up....

[winter tinsel]

The unfortunate part is it’s like the 4th time they’ve done this lol, and they apologize every time but it doesn’t matter. What I’ve learned is that you can’t rly plan long term in this game cuz IM is wildly unpredictable if you’re not in the loop

[hardy stump]

100% on you, trying to play seriously despite being well informed what this between wipe time all about

[robust crypt]

which class is best against fighter with longsword, barb and wizard or ranger how do i counter getting 3v1

[winter tinsel]

I’d argue ranger is the best 1v3 class followed by Sorc, but realistically it’s not reliable against a competent team

[weary herald]

so what is better 1 add or true phys

[robust crypt]

crossbow shot ranger spamm while the barb starts walking towards you menacingly impossible

[winter tinsel]

Ranger shotgun or elemental bolt 1 taps anyone close enough

[torpid wigeon]

i guess maybe i missed that fact they planned to revert everything?? no place did it say they were going back to ssf for arena until right fucking now so..... maybe in just a dumb dumb

[hardy stump]

1. paladin cleric
2. you don't make noise, and you listen a lot, always have planned escape route to nearest blue or red

[upper wolf]

Let’s thank the overlord sdf for this update ✌️only a leader of his passion could deliver this heil

[robust crypt]

yea man thats gaming :D

[fervent crescent]

i don t fuckig understand the survival bow nerf

[winter tinsel]

everything has been unofficially announced in SDF’s private channel thay you have to opt into. That’s what I mean by not being in the loop. It’s not your fault

[arctic laurel]

guys can we still migrate accounts from epic to blacksmith even though its been removed from epic? Would love for someone to help, thankyou in advance.

[winter tinsel]

But even the most informed ppl didn’t know what SDF would do until a couple days ago

[small inlet]

PRAISE THE LORD (SDF)

[calm salmon]

It's so insane that in order to learn that the thing everyone said would happen.......... Would happen, sdf had to push the patch to live servers. Bro is delulu

Bois remember, he's the one who shat in the cereal, don't praise him for scooping it out

[arctic laurel]

guys can we still migrate accounts from epic to blacksmith even though its been removed from epic? Would love for someone to help, thankyou in advance.

[placid trellis]

Items have random attribute now ?

[lilac venture]

Can we lower sorc cd a little thanks

[winter tinsel]

There was a way to migrate a couple months ago. It says to launch the game via epic to get a migration code? Idk if that still works

[arctic laurel]

Yeha i was just wondering if you can still open the game to get the migration code. Im trying to help a friend.

[torpid wigeon]

I WOULDNT be allowed in there lol

[hardy stump]

you can lower it by a lot if you build resourcefulness, you know, sorc main stat

[winter tinsel]

As far as I know it was delisted from epic so idk. The guide on their site is from may

[valid arrow]

guys are gear brackets not in the game anymore?

[arctic laurel]

damn, hopefully there is still a way.

[hardy stump]

nope, enjoy viola sweats in normals

[trail ibex]

I noticed a new hotfix, is rogue playable again?

[hardy stump]

oh crap, I hope not, rot in landmine purgatory

[valid arrow]

is sdf considering putting them back or probably nah

[nova gyro]

did it wipe?

[winter tinsel]

I see no issue with this

[trail ibex]

hey im a no hide rogue, i just want to be able to survive more than a single bardiche hit.

[sullen vector]

KRISS DAGGER WARLOCK WHEN

[weary herald]

game was so much better without modifiers,,they shouldd atleast reduce it starting them from blue 1

[hardy stump]

oh, who doesn't?
no full plate? Too bad, no surviving for you

[trail ibex]

I just read the patchnotes, man what is this flip flopping???
Now the throwing knifes increase dmg 2 per rarity?
remember when you could only carry one per stack?

Guess SDF really miss mosquito rogues

[sullen vector]

when is wipe

[nova gyro]

change to add modifier range instead of multiple modifiers

[bitter citrus]

so + all back or no?

[agile harbor]

Someone kick me from this stupid ass channel

[trail ibex]

My guess is late september.

[lilac venture]

Then I’m losing hp and other main stats that I could be having when other class are still way more powerful when I build it correctly even before the cd sorc was weaker then wizard and still is

[weary herald]

or that but when you socket it can roll lower

[sullen vector]

so after summer is over and the q3 pops off, that is when they start? oof actual dead game

[hardy stump]

yeah, no IWIN thanos builds anymore, you actually need to think about stat allocation and what you need in your build instead of maxing out everything

see if there is cooldown reduction affix

[nova gyro]

multiple modifierrs make it harder to balance, Simgle modifiers and rarity defines which modifiers too

[stark spoke]

I dont wanna roll modifiers I just wanna be loved

[weary herald]

@nova gyro its just ez mode again..nothing can really kill you

[silver smelt]

To what level do you need to nerf bows so that headshots are not overpowered, and hitting body does not tickle

Revert headshot multiplier!

[wicked stump]

@glad thunder adding back random modifiers without adding solos just makes it harder on people playing alone

[nova gyro]

only legendary and unique with plus all

[paper pumice]

Why the fuck are bows catching strays

[deep bridge]

Now just bring back solos and duos. Thanks

[wraith wigeon]

We gotta have at least 10K players rn

[lilac venture]

Ye no shit but that has nothing to do with y the sorc cd should be so high every ranged class is stronger then sorc if you hit your stuff if you go head to head with a ranger or a wizard and you both are hitting your spells or arrows sorc loses every time and now making it so after 10 sec in a fight sorc is not viable anymore is dumb they said they looking out for what’s best in trios but then nerf the class to make it worse in trios when the other options are still 5x better

[proven kraken]

if you notice all mods benefit casting classes, but non casters have useless mods, kinda unbalanced

[forest wagon]

Strays? Bruh, bows were insane

[paper pumice]

[weary herald]

you coulda solo whole squads easily game was so much more fun all classes were equally balanced,,now its just players pve bosses and only yet will be ,,fckin hitting someone 10 times to kill them

[vernal arch]

Bows were ridiculous but not my bows...everyone else's bows were OP. I could land three shots with the long bow and nothing but every time I got hit once by a long bow it would take 85% of my health

[proven kraken]

maybe devs should work in macdonalds instead, but could the balance the sprinkles on the mc flurrys?

[trail ibex]

Patchnotes say gem socketing is back, does that mean all armor has random modifiers like it was before the semi wipe?

[sullen vector]

#game-discussion message

Game is fine, it's mid season so numbers will be a little lower. New season game will see 10-20k players, so stop complaining and trust the process if these things were rushed you'd be in here crying about balance. Just admit developers knows what's best for the game

[deft lintel]

Yes and no. It’s much weaker random modifiers now. True removed from everything but weapons

[torpid wigeon]

bows were actually usable. See before this, almost any class can just w key you, stray back and forth and didnt matter if you landed 2 arrows before they got to you, you were dead. With the buff, people actually thought twice about how fast to push a ranger, keeping it a FAIR FIGHT! Now, i am back to hitting my triple arrow and still gettting w keyed.. ... Yep fun stuff. BOWS didnt need a nerf!

[paper pumice]

"Trust the process" WHAT PROCESS

[forest wagon]

If you think ranger was not an issue im sorry bro you didn;'t play the game

[sinful gull]

yesterday i came across a full unique knw sorc and his lightnig storm literally 100-0 me in 1 s..it was like when sorc came out and it was hyper busted... does knw increase like the tick speed of it? if not it mustve been a hacker ..

[regal radish]

some got an overview of the random modifiers?

[deft lintel]

If you hit 2 headshots any class still dies. Ranger was oppressive before

[fervent crescent]

it was the longbow issue but now they nerfed all types wich makes no sense

[proven kraken]

4 on recurve seems a little much IMO

[uneven comet]

Wish they kept uniques to how it was last wipe

[wind belfry]

This is bullshit... they go back where the game wherent working properly... fuk those kid streamer crying. It was so balance

[torpid wigeon]

this is just untrue. Maybe a sorc or rogue standing still, but not warlock, fighter, barb, or def clerek. i disagree.

[paper pumice]

Guys I think they need to buff warlock again

[uneven comet]

Nah you're bugging jr

[wind belfry]

Fuk random... fuk streamer crying about no random they just want to have advantage on the game...

[paper pumice]

[short vine]

is it generally normal to have a 1.5gb update each time? Living off hotspot

[torpid wigeon]

TTK for Ranger to get anybody - 3 headshots minimum, 6 body shots. Do you know how long even with 40 dex it takes to draw 6 fucking arrows. Its laughable. 3-4 body shots, 1-2 headshots should be it. period. thats was before they buffed, and now it'll be even worse after the nerfed ranger. Make my words, they will HAVE to bring back recurve and surv bow damage.

[wind belfry]

330move speed back with weapon in the hand? Cool... the game is diying more and more

[unkempt pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/weareback-wereback-wearebackbaby-hangover-the-gif-18475016

[deft lintel]

No? Why did you write this without opening the game first to check?

[torpid wigeon]

why, does ranger have to continue to buy arrows to use in arena???????????? QOL Change, If i buy the arrrows they should come back after the fucking round

[paper pumice]

This is what happens when you let unpaid interns run the balance changes

[deft lintel]

I didn’t know SDF was an unpaid intern. You got insider info?

[unkempt pulsar]

i believe you just reequip squire and you get free arrows then re equip your gear

[wind belfry]

330move speed back with weapon in the hand? Cool... the game is diying more and more

[fallen umbra]

Random modifiers are back, what a bs...

[paper pumice]

Yes you can say heheh... im... insider their walls

[wide bough]

I believe Arena are 3 rounds without squire

[deft lintel]

Ah, you’re just trolling.

It’s “dying” btw, if you wanna update your copy paste.

[torpid wigeon]

yeah, it just takes to long to move both bows, hit the squire, then go sell gray bows to keep enough arrows, then re eqip the bows , its just a pain, like i said,, it'd be a great QOL change being as other gear/utillities come back....

[unkempt pulsar]

yes it does take a while, i agree

[edgy tangle]

Why did they update it when the season drops in 11 hours

[quasi plover]

random modifiers are already back LMFAOOO

[unkempt pulsar]

the season drops but the wipe doesnt happen till next month

[graceful kettle]

put a bow in both slot , u have 80 free arrows for each arena , after each arena all arrows left u stock them in your stash , then proceed the cycle again , u ll have plenty of arrows in stock after a few arena

[edgy tangle]

nice yeah this game is cooked

[turbid pendant]

I'm waiting for 5v5s with lanes and towers, so I hope they do quads!

[shut timber]

Ranger was an issue I know this because I soloed 100 of teams, but 4- to recurve it a lot, whats this im hearing 330 with weapon out? Do you just stack agi or something because theres no ms

[paper pumice]

Random number generator

[torpid wigeon]

i also do this, but i still burn a TON of arrows in arena, i also main longbow and a surv bow. so im running 2 bows. its a tiny problem to have, but a problem none the less. lol

[woven bear]

guys I cant claim my season 6 demigod rewards what do I do

[sturdy rune]

LMAO some serious cope going on, might as well give SDF a free colonoscopy while youre up there.

[astral atlas]

I hope this game still dies, no new content. Reverts after reverts after reverts and no new content.. feels like it’s been a year since a singular thing has been released

[full creek]

True

[crystal fulcrum]

they said this semi wipe would have no new content until august when s7 comes out, might need to go back in time and read

[long garnet]

Is movespeed meta again or they balanced abit?

[grand swallow]

Thank you SDF for making the text party chat on/offf. Sometimes i dont feel like reading teammates toxic chatting WWWW

[sullen vector]

#game-discussion message

Game is fine, it's mid season so numbers will be a little lower. New season game will see 10-20k players, so stop complaining and trust the process if these things were rushed you'd be in here crying about balance. Just admit developers knows what's best for the game
?????also where is wipe???????

[grand swallow]

W patch

[verbal spindle]

No movespeed rolls

[sullen vector]

🇼

so true

[grand swallow]

@sullen vector what class u main

[main raven]

No they don't; they just gotta make Ranger better in melee so you aren't just limited to shooting

[paper pumice]

Game is fine

[hidden hare]

no its not we need circle !!

[valid yew]

wish ironmace would've at least stuck to something instead of reverting things almost entirely. At least with the semi-wipe i could hope that theyre actively working on a direction for the game that is better suited for it, given that a big portion of the stats on gear are given through random modifiers rather than rarity.

[steep oak]

all of a sudden the games loves to lag when i transform or cast any spell wtf happened

[near jackal]

so am i

[main raven]

A lot of DnD clones make the same issue with Ranger, like Mistfall Hunters or Dungeon Stalkers, and only give the Ranger class the ability to shoot and nothing else.

Trying to balance a ranged class that only ever shoots you at a distance with a melee class that has limited ranged options is always a balancing nightmare

If Ranger is better in melee (i.e. give this nerd a buckler please), then there's no need for skills like Multishot, which give the Ranger a fighting chance at point blank while also being the least fun skill to play around in the entire game

[tame elbow]

is the wipe ready yeT? or when..

[still cloud]

Where's the solo que

[carmine hearth]

they pretty much killed the season for me with this change. Between the mid season wipe, the elimination of rolls and gems and then the re intro of the rolls and gems. I dont have any gems, all my gear is now shit and it wipes in a month.

[remote yarrow]

SDF did a 180 again? Game playable again now?

[carmine hearth]

Guess ill be back in a month

[remote yarrow]

Playerbase Doubled after dropping the Vision. Not bad

[ripe lichen]

Wipe in a month ? it says 10 hours for me for next sea ?

[sullen vector]

warlock>rogue>fighter

[verbal spindle]

Offical wipe / season 7 expected end of August

[vocal wren]

No solos/duos headshots still 2 tap you but aside from that it's better

[ripe lichen]

Fack.

[frosty fern]

can they decide what they want to do with this game

[thin bear]

Mov speed on everything is back?

[wind orchid]

Cucks'

[pine wyvern]

ms roll is js gone

[warm ingot]

Changes seem good to me, tried to play a few games solo, it's still shit... Hope to be able to come back to this game soon but solos vs trios is never going to work.

Do the thing we all know you're going to do eventually anyway. Bring back solo queue.

[wind orchid]

They merked the player count so hard that solos wont work anymore.

[warm ingot]

I'm sure that there are many many people who want to play the game like me but cant because the way they want to play it is not avaliable anymore.

[lofty hemlock]

bring back solos

[lucid rampart]

Did they make rolls like s5 rolls or is it still s6 balancing? Also are uniques still one crazy roll or are they not op?

[grand swallow]

Chat is there a way to turn off the new chat above the party names

[stiff talon]

more or less same as s5 rolls, no ms rolls no +all and very limited tru damage

[wind orchid]

Coming from someone thats played this game since literally day-1, and before you had to torrent the game. I wish nothing more than the death of this game and for everyone to quit. Guys are literally getting played. I do nothing but read the patch notes and laugh.

A little piece of me does hope the game comes back but it'll never be the same. Cherish the time you spent on this game cause it will never be the same and I feel sorry for anyone who joined the party late

[plucky jackal]

Take the game to the back of the barn and let it sleep forever

[lucid rampart]

Oh hell yeah, can't wait to get on

[wispy tide]

where tf is solos and duos

[jolly iron]

“Zwei damage increase by 1” but its lower at every rarity ? How bugged are they

[wispy tide]

when do i get my rank rewards like the seafarers skin or my demigod reward

[peak venture]

DUDE THIS MODS ARE WHAT?? WTF IS THIS GO AND BACK ...

[lunar glade]

Getting real fucking tired of these flip flopping updates

[ivory aurora]

Dead and deader

[jaunty tendon]

what are they joking ,i dont even know what are those rolls

[drifting raptor]

Longsoys rejoice at the reawakening of the longsword meta

[cosmic swan]

Pretty sad it's still not possible to gem Cooldown reduction to anything

[trail ibex]

Are they weaker than in patch 68?

[trim flume]

Game is literally a joke first he removes modifiers for balanceing now its back again just running in a circle for 3 years without any content

[deft lintel]

Yes, there was still true back then I think

[lunar glade]

Tf was the point of the update before this. Imagine owning a company that hasn’t done any work for months. You keeping your employees?

[trail ibex]

uninstalling

[grand flower]

people still playing this game? xD

[lunar glade]

Ironmace handing out jobs where u can sit on the couch and watch tv all damn day

[grand swallow]

Is there way to turn off the chat on game hud but have the normal one on

@trim flume Hater

[rapid sleet]

We get rolls back and people still crying , you guys are not real

[unborn bay]

Wow is the game back with this patch?

[stiff talon]

its not perfect but its much better than it was with no gear no rolls no loot 😂

[cosmic swan]

Kinda, random roll are back but with some change (No more base stat on ring neck and cloak, no more true except on weapon but the stat is linked to add weapon damage now so you can get both, no more HP roll) he reverted the -10 hp on every class too

[naive gorge]

Game had 400 players at one point. Only reason they reverted the bullshit changes from last patch

[trim flume]

@grand swallow yes absolutly if u play since alpha and see how the game destroys itself u would hate it too.. literally i go back in now i see still no fucking solo queue. back to tarkov lol

[grand swallow]

@trim flume If u hate it then why r u in game discord.. bye

[warm ingot]

Its kind of back... There are still now solo queue so the player base will stay relatively low to when we had it... Im biased I basicly only play solo. Have tried random trios and discord trios I just dont like it.

[reef kettle]

every time i get a ping for this server i hope and pray that itll be about sdf getting fired

[glossy moon]

if sdf adds back solos and duos this can be the most balanced patch and personally my most favorite

[ashen hearth]

Does bear druid seem bugged rn?

[lime void]

cope

[river iron]

glad they reverted random modifiers but now all the stuff in my stash has dogshi modifiers

[hot helm]

Anyone knows how this update helps the solos?

[glossy moon]

same lmao

[low kelp]

He wont bring back solos but yeah game is dead now anyway look at twitch

[narrow pike]

Game still sucks

[livid onyx]

7 am PST and it's 7k players 😏

[trim flume]

@grand swallow because i wanna write how bad that game is why u wasteing ur time and chatting with me ?

[livid onyx]

Return solo and duos and we're cooking with gas this pre-wipe, #LetHimCook

[reef kettle]

woah DAWG, you need to slow your roll homeslice

[lucid rampart]

Huge numbers

[river iron]

were so back 😎

[warm sun]

Yeah I love when people mistake the channel name saying "game-discussion" for "glazing-lair"

[livid onyx]

Cleric troll cheese is once again an under 400 gold build, LETS GOOOOOO

[glad ivy]

You’re hilarious

[livid onyx]

Once solo duos comes back we should see at least a double in player counter next season

[crisp dragon]

if it comes back

[slim swan]

is this a good update?

[slow salmon]

They increase the chat filters for discord because theyre being joked on too hard.

[dapper ice]

dont forget to buff barb! buff em on up!

[livid onyx]

Believe

[proven kraken]

and buff sorc. he cant kill a trio in one hit just yet

[cosmic swan]

Not really, the fact he increased even more the damage in the hand, arm, leg and feet make it so you need to be ultra careful with mob otherwise they 2 shot you even without headshot

[livid onyx]

I like that PvE is more threatening

[brave sigil]

Quick feedback: I don't really care if there's a solo queue, but allow us to queue as a solo... sometimes I just wanna slowly loot shit without fuckin up two other's games

[glossy moon]

LMAOL

[slim swan]

Didn't they reduce the damage to the entire body except legs and feet?

[livid onyx]

You can queue as a solo already into trios

[brave sigil]

Didn't know that. Will check it out, ty

[distant comet]

Whoa, fourteen random modifiers on each piece of gear. We are sooooooo back! Yes! Heckin' dopamine firing! Good thing I complained, can't wait to ignore all the loot anyways and head to marketplace! Game is back baby!

[slim swan]

which modifiers back? can u write pls

[livid onyx]

Just select the don't fill option on the queue

[cosmic swan]

Your right, then I guess the HTK is still too high

[distant comet]

0.1% PDR Bonus
0.1% Memory Capacity
0.1% Spell Casting Speed
........
........

HECKING AWESOME!

So glad we reverted back to this amazing system instead of using this chance to make something better!

[terse tundra]

Just bring back solos and duos please.

[eternal granite]

Why even bring back the modifiers atp😭

[slim swan]

great update then

[weary socket]

Atleast you can care about the loot. Before this I didn't even care to loot or check market

[north skiff]

anyone has the bug where hits are not registering ? they fked smth in spaghetti code

[lapis forge]

I think they forgot wizards exist

[subtle heart]

game playable again or still dogwater?

[waxen karma]

So head shot DMG is still 200%?

[eternal granite]

Its playable dogwater

[calm salmon]

Sdf was the one who shit in your cereal, don't reward him for scooping it out

[cosmic swan]

Yes

[blazing cairn]

hey guys

[leaden peak]

well game still trash

[pearl bolt]

uninstalled

[weary socket]

He still left chunks so I'm waiting to play at all until he filters my cereal

[lapis forge]

Feels like every patch for months has beens about barbs and rangers can we get some new wizard spells?

[slim swan]

what would you choose, return of the old modifier system or return of solo/duo?

[distant comet]

Don't know how you can care about the loot. It's a mess of modifiers, that all add up to nothing. This is exact system is catered to marketplace style gaming, because 99% of the loot will have deadrolls on it. It's so unfun. They couldn't just bring back one or two modifiers on gear and make them a bit more meaningful while still removing the +all and +ms rolls. These sort of rolls do nothing for build diversity really, just push people back into market to buy the gear with the good stats. Hate market. Hate this modifier system. Simple as. If a couple of random numbers brings meaning to loot to people. I don't know what to say. There are better ways.

[rotund bronze]

General
Some monster balance adjustments.
Reverted MaxHealth graph to increase health scaling from Vigor and Strength.
Damage ratios for hitboxes have been adjusted.
Body: 125% → 100%
Arm: 100% → 90%
Hand: 100% → 90%
Leg: 75% → 80%
Foot: 75% → 80% - so the cheesers who hit the leg get rewarded? am i reading it right?

[blazing cairn]

Items and utility gear are no longer lost upon defeat in the Arena when using only Self-Found and Self-Crafted equipment. is that means only iteam founded can be taken in arena

[calm salmon]

What's "something better" out of curiosity? What do you think they should've replaced it with? Because if they DID replace it with something, maybe it wouldn't suck... But they didn't replace it with anything... Do you think they're SUPPOSED to have nothing prepared when they make these kinds of changes or something?

[topaz pivot]

It’s a shame: they talked about reducing gap - removed modifiers and added +1 stats to gear starting green quality, and now they just brought back modifiers while having that +1….. Gap is big as ever

[brave oriole]

Sure!

[drifting raptor]

nah head is still 200%, if your going for toe shots you expose ur head

[earnest current]

Dead game , let ironmace cook

[distant comet]

How about leaning into the Goldsmith system that they developed to bring more player choice to rolls? Why can't gear dropped in dungeon be randomized by what color gem slot it has and also include one or two modifiers depending on rarity. That way GEMS can be part of that meaningful loot cycle and gear could be more customized and more meaningul depending on color combinations, good modifier rolls, etc.

[rotund bronze]

true

[topaz pivot]

They could reduce random modifiers up to 2, 2 for legendary and unique, and 1 for rare and purple. But instead, they revert everything cause people crying. I think this game won’t last long as sdf clearly isn’t confident enough

[calm salmon]

So... Random modifiers but you have to use gems to access the stats or there are no stats?...

[distant comet]

One or two rolls on the gear instead of up to 6 or whatever on artifact, the higher rarity gear has more gem slots for the player to CHOOSE the rolls through gem socketing. Given the rarity of gems this would make it harder for the higher rarity gear to acheive its maximum potential while surviving long enough to utilizie it but still give higher gear a power potential.

[calm salmon]

Y'know you don't have to use the marketplace to get good gear, you CAN just socket everything yourself already

[leaden peak]

yea game wont be playebale until solo back i cant stand playing with other pepole

[topaz pivot]

Yea, then you have to find another game to play

[weary socket]

Personally my big problem is with the heavy ms and all attributes and true being unbalanced. But I think thorogons video talking about diablo 2 stats system would be amazing change if you haven't seen his video 100% watch it.

[distant comet]

You know that modifiers were brought back in a panic, there was not enough meaningful data or changes to justify it coming back in virtually the same form minus a couple more powerful stat options. They have like another two months for wipe, surely they could have figured something out in that time instead of chickening out AGAIN.

[pine wyvern]

yes guys game is so fire i get two tapped by squire cleric in full kit

[leaden peak]

meh they will add solo back sooner or later 70% of the player base was useing it

[calm salmon]

Oh I guess since they nerfed socketing, socketing everything yourself isn't that good anymore lol

[swift grotto]

@topaz pivot your son must hate his life

[glossy moon]

yall gotta remember not everyone has logged on a tried the new patch by tonight and tmr the market will be much better and there will be a lot of better stuff

[verbal spindle]

It was always coming back. They just wanted to make it look like something other than removing solos/duos destroyed the playerbase lol

[calm salmon]

Honestly unless I hear about multiple large W patches in a row I prob won't be back so them bringing back random mods doesn't appeal to me much. They already did the damage, a little late to revert tbh

[sage wharf]

I come back to this game and solo's are gone wtf

[drifting raptor]

double jump rouge would be deaaaadly if it didn’t have 6 vigor lol

[weary socket]

My reaction. Hopefully sdf can filter out the hot steaming shit he left in my cereal. So I can come back to enjoy this game.

[sage wharf]

One addition i do like is the huntress

[distant comet]

In my opinon its not that its too late to revert that upsets me, its that they reverted at all. I would wager most of the player base agrees the game needs/needed a foundational change, evident by the continuously plummeting player count even before the semi-wipe. Taking away modifiers was a big bandaid to rip off, but it was a good start that could've gone a long way to correcting some of the baseline issues of the game. Like class development disparities, more meaningful looting that isn't entirely gear focused, etc. Which then could have resulted in a new gear system OR bringing back modifiers but more subdued, customizable, impactful. They really just brought back the same system with a couple of rolls missing, how can anyone be celebrating it...

[shadow steppe]

WHERE IS SOLOSSSSSS '

[sage wharf]

Debatably, i think they would benefit from pulling a multiversus. Shutting down the game while they rework it entirely and use community feed back.

[rare oracle]

Wrong. Slow decline is due to zero content updates for a year. Quick decline is due to terrible updates.

[deft vessel]

So what random modifiers came back? All or some?

[weary socket]

💔 what u mean they were waiting for new assets to be developed to buy on marketplace so they can give us a fresh new map

@deft vessel all

[calm salmon]

Yeah I'm just like "it's too late to revert and make the players you upset happy, so why even revert" may as well have committed and tried to find a better system if that's their end goal

[cosmic swan]

#game-discussion message @deft vessel

[low kelp]

You are clearly a noob

[tropic rain]

I am okay with RM being super nerfed as they are in this patch. Gear gap is still low. I kinda like that. If they bring solos back I would be fine with the game.

[deft vessel]

So legit a complete revert. Is +1 all back? And can it be slotted

[weary socket]

@deft vessel haven't check if this true but if so few nice changes

[distant comet]

Content is stagnant because they keep trying to solve the same problem in unintuitive ways. The quest for balancing has completely halted any meaningful progress. This clean slate and commitment to finding a new path/system was RIGHT decision to make at this point, and addressing the issues now would eventually free up more time to delivering actual content. What is the point of new maps or enemies if the actual gameplay loop is stale. They need to develop means of progression that aren't just opening chests to find a piece of gear with a random allotment of numbers on it. They need to look to hideout (tarkov) / lodge (legacy) mechanics and give treasures/monster drops actual purpose. THAT is the content they should be focusing on now, not tinkering modifier numbers.

[calm salmon]

To be clear, I, never asked about the specifics, so don't know why you linked that

[graceful kettle]

not a revert , no movespeed at all , dmg only on weapon , attribute is only +3 on the 3 main pieces , can only gem attribute on some pieces not all , and if u socket its less powerful than finding it max roll in a dungeon

[low kelp]

The quest for balancing is just an excuse to not release content quicker. The game was the most popular in the playtest days and arguably everything was capable of being op

[cosmic swan]

Mb I linked it to the wrong guy

[distant comet]

You can't compare the feeling of a new game to game three years into development. Of course content drip cannot be compared over that development span....playtest days were bare walls and a couple of chests here and there.

And you're right, its not an excuse but its the reality of the situation.

[vast kayak]

Unique gems back in the game when?

[tawdry canopy]

now all cheaters are back, gg sdf u pos

[weary herald]

this is gonna be a fiesta again..they shoulda give a mod starting from purple 2 leggo 3 unique and increase the chance of good actual usable rolls ,let greens and blues only be base stats improvement..and not +3 ...max +2 on chest legs

[low kelp]

Just their cope they use for being noobs at developing and not doing barely anything with their game in years. Wheres the arrow quiver how hard can it be? They are not good devs

[neat urchin]

still no solos? Pass.

[ashen willow]

game still sucks

[distant comet]

We are in agreement even though we are arguing past each other. Nothing in my rambling suggests I think they are good devs, i've only been criticizing this patch. Thanks for calling me a noob or whatever.

[low kelp]

Make love not war

[proud forum]

Yes PLEASE

[distant comet]

I think they really need to tone down the door breaking as much as I love it being an option for more classes now. Seeing a Warlock of all things run around with a halberd blowing up doors in one hit is a bit jarring. It should still take a couple of hits to break down a door with any high impact weapon except from a Barbarian with crush I suppose.

[steel urchin]

game is still trash for those wondering

[winter badge]

the devs now what makes the playerbase happy and refuses to act upon it smh

[distant comet]

to solve the "Door and Doorer" problem I would rather they leaned into DnD tropes and have "Iron Rivets" as a consumable item that you could use to prop doors open so people couldn't just continously open and slam them

[gleaming wolf]

👍

[still cloud]

Bring solos baxk

[autumn rapids]

Still no Solos?

I think we've gone well past proving that the Solos players will just 'migrate' to the Trios queues by now. Re-adding Solos clearly won;t dilute the Trios queues, those players are Solos or Nothing

[ashen hearth]

Druid damage seems bugged

[silver iris]

yeah two shots for big two handed axes like a halberd, and 3 shots for zwei, spear, falcion, etc

[winged rose]

Every update the game gets more and more broken

[drifting raptor]

buff longsword

[sharp pasture]

whens solos and duos coming back smh

[woeful wolf]

even as a trios player, no solos queue makes the game not worth playing... it's sad

[rustic mist]

We held the line long enough.

[ashen willow]

is just a 1vs3 fest. we dont wanna play with random apes on our team

[fading palm]

they just did...

[distant comet]

random matchmaking has made it worse than it actually should be, it wasnt too bad the first day of patch, good mix of mostly solos, some duos, and rarely a trio; random matchmaking added a DAY LATER killed it, now you are cucking yourself if you dont click that checkbox and form a group with a bunch of random, no VOIP chuckleheads who immediately leave the lobby as soon as they are downed.

[verbal spindle]

true

[tawdry canopy]

team killers, cheaters. gg psdf. better with low pop

[delicate steppe]

PSA: ice caves is the solo map

[crystal iris]

What's the purpose of test server if everything is tested on real server? What's the point of reverting these changes back?

[delicate steppe]

Who are you asking bro?

[crystal iris]

No one. Just complaining lol. Fk u sdf btw

[glacial gale]

Lol it's too late, they already fucked themselves too hard. Anyone who thinks the game is better now is in denial. Next wipe avg 500 players at the current rate

[shadow steppe]

nah fr like in what world can i not play solo

[mystic sky]

Gg ironmace. Going back on all the changes just to keep giving us more +1s -1s. Can anyone confirm that all atts and true damage are still in the game?

[cosmic swan]

They're not. True damage is only on weapon, +1 on one handed, +2 on two handed. No +all, no HP roll either, no MS roll. No base stat on ring, neck and cloak too

[obtuse osprey]

if you havent tried the patch, why are you complaining?

[trail ibex]

Ironmace: true damage bad
Also Ironmace: lets add true damage on weapons when it didnt exist before

[mystic sky]

[cosmic swan]

Classic IM

[glacial gale]

Cause people would rather get a yes/no answer and be disappointed than go experience the dumpster fire themselves

[mystic sky]

[drifting raptor]

more

[trail ibex]

if anything the LS needs more attack speed, not the felling axe

[drifting raptor]

Longsword should make other players pee all over themselves

[plain pulsar]

this game is dead lol you cant play solo you get tryharded by all teams

[delicate steppe]

Solo in ice caves ffs

[trail ibex]

Considering the Stop Killing Games is on its way to be made into EU law i look forward for when the game shuts down and we can play patch 68 with the new content forever

[unborn bay]

The new meta is hoping online games die so community servers can make it better 😂

[trail ibex]

You know things are bad when everyone is confident a random hobo would make a better CEO than SDF

[unborn bay]

I can finally live my dream resurrecting Battleborn

[proud plinth]

Are they gonna add ACOG sighs to the cross bows ever ?

[weary herald]

all coz of completely clueless crying babies that dont know anything only complaining with limited perception and premature prejudices without any overview of understanding or realising whats rlly going on.. listen to the community ,,fk you all no one fcking cares about you ,,they did a good thing removing mods starting from the scratch tweaking the game slowly into perfection-balancing,,not listening to dg crying community rushing bs ..sdf should do it on his own without taking any attention and pressure on what people say

[trail ibex]

I mean there's a functioning Nosgoth community server out there and the game was shut down on steam around 10 years ago. They have to keep it hidden because it's illegal but under that new legislation they can be 100% open and it will become the norm.

[native pine]

so we cant use market stuff in arena anymore?

[trail ibex]

You """can""" but if you loose the arena match they will be erased from your inventory

[atomic nimbus]

and seems we cant use even expressman stuff on arena as it has no tag of your hero

[trail ibex]

I've reported that bug ever since Expressman was brought back and they still havent fixed it.
Get as many people to spam that report until they decide its worth their attention.

[weary herald]

game was actually so good,,i liked the one shot meta..depending on quick reactions movements and skill,,now they nerfed body parts damage + mods its gonna be the same...for example for a rogue unless youre running peak bis youre gonna have to hit barb 10 times to kill him in melee unless you poke him first ..a lot...and how am i supposed to wipe squads now when i can barely kill someone in 4 hits ,,most likely not...as a solo ...and i have unique heavy boots with 1 will 0.5mdr a memory capacity and regular and magical interaction rolls,,how is that any good for the game

[atomic nimbus]

oaky i will write to support with that issue, it's not normal for sure

[rapid lava]

SDF finally took his meds

[vagrant timber]

What was the point of the semi wipe except to wipe out half the playerbase

[dapper mortar]

people wanted higher ttk

[distant comet]

amen.... for the most part

[frosty hornet]

dumb question guys any idea what a gold chest is worth atm

[high basalt]

gotta love trios and trioser, thanks sdf for buffing every weapon in the game except for daggers that still do 15 damage a swing!!! o andddd we have 5 vigor as rogue so we got a reverted 1 hp !!! fuck yea thanks sdf u cooked so hard this patch !!

[lapis quest]

Your as beautiful as the day i lost you dark and darker

[dapper mortar]

60-90k

[frosty hornet]

really thats awesome i found my frist one last night thank you

[digital pollen]

Zwei is bugged.

[warm echo]

whos got a nice flute ripsote build

[trail ibex]

Instead of fixing bugs and adding QoL improvements devs are tweaking numbers.

I mean they complain that there's not enough communication in trios but they wont make the emote wheel account-global. They wont add the color coded edge for item grades like we have in pretty much all RPGs and MMOs, they wont even add the option to send money via the expressman during a Marketplace barter instead of stacking up Skull keys and Gold Coin bags in order to buy a unique.

[obtuse osprey]

youd rather they ignore the core of the game and fix bugs?

[weary herald]

and for which not?

[trail ibex]

Im saying they're too incompetent to fix those, but more than competent to add these little positive changes

[dapper mortar]

They won't even add emote dances

[light shore]

love how i spent 40k gold on a unique arena kit on my barb to log in and see every suffix is spell castiing or magical damage LMAO maybe can salvage one peice out of a full kit

[distant comet]

actually i pretty much agree with everything you said

[weary herald]

they felt rushed by the community ,,they shouldnt care what any of you say and finish the game

[trail ibex]

WRONG! https://youtube.com/shorts/36fw63YMLfs?feature=shared

[broken dome]

lol there is a dance emote and it gives a pretty big advantage in arenas

[obtuse osprey]

im sure it feels that way but look at the patch notes, they fix bugs constantly, what bugs are you upset about?

[proven kraken]

omg CLUB barb is so OP>>>>WTF SDF?

[mighty charm]

WHERE IS SOLOS

[light shore]

exhausting how the game just goes back and forth and back and forth

[wind belfry]

The game wss so balanced... there was no MS 330 no rogue 3hitting a fighter... equipment were ez to find and there was no big gear diff between to make match up unplayable... now because streamer were crying they will hardly farm and have max out set and people who play like 2-3h a day will always be in difficult and get destroy by gear diff...

[onyx wharf]

Lmfao

[weary herald]

gear gap willl be extensive again ,,no skill and good and fun game play,,,and looting these dead rolls on every item is worse than looting an item with no rolls

[proven kraken]

im about to give up on this game.....i cant keep up with the changes or inbalances flip flopping.....

[high basalt]

its a cover up for the fact that they have no new content ready and wont for a long time and will just keep flipping switches to stimulate the playerbase until either sdf steps down and someone who actually wants to further the game comes in or it dies. those are our two options if our narccassistic leader doesnt have a full fucking spiritial awakening

[dapper mortar]

i want this dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4a6OLGC9Gg&list=RDy4a6OLGC9Gg&start_radio=1

and physics/aesthetics like Dungeon Stalkers. This is a priority.

[junior wyvern]

how ppl havnt figured this out yet is baffling to me

[high basalt]

brainwashed individuals smoking hopium. grayson doesnt even comment anymore its so fucking doomed here

[light shore]

what are the chances that my full unique kit for a barb rolled spell casting speed on every peice

[wind belfry]

The game was so balanced... there was no MS 330 no rogue 3hitting a fighter... equipment were ez to find and there was no big gear diff between to make match up unplayable... now because streamer were crying they will hardly farm and have max out set and people who play like 2-3h a day will always be in difficult and get destroy by gear diff...

[distant comet]

There are people, I don't know who or why, who need their gear to have random numbers and colors on it to make it exciting for them. This was definitely the chance to make the rest of the loot exciting to loot and draw the game away from the gear slot machine. They could have used the next two months to develop that "wealth" concept SDF mentioned or better yet a lodge/hideout progression or more robust crafting system to give more meaning to looting trinkets and monster drops and things BESIDES gear. Then we could go back and make gear a bit more interesting or just fully go down the Gem Socketing route to make gems exciting, etc.

[quick flare]

You type like a 4th grader.

[sinful gull]

people have been conditioned to "hold the line" since before this started... kind of smart low key

[high basalt]

ur just shit bud and cant use those two embers in ur noggin to to stoke a flame of thought to create ur own build for a kit. literally i can blindfolded walk into ruins and hug the wall and walk out with 700 gold

[bronze flint]

Just add solos back and leave us to rot in the dungeons like we deserve

[trail ibex]

Skeletons and Spectral Knight Striking through the pavise block.
Dagger riposte not working.
NPCs attacking through walls.
Expressman not applying mint on items.
Dead bodies not appearing in the same places for different players.
Looting gold pile will cause items to self delete if there's not enough space in your inventory as opposed to being dropped.
Crash on descending a dungeon level.
Vendors items and crafting recipies being absent half the time you click on them.

Those are the bugs that come to the top of my head.

[marsh pollen]

do you still get your gear back if your the last to die in the dungeon and nobody loots you?

[proven kraken]

barb is now even more OP with the Club....

[weary herald]

i rolled 10 usable rolls on my full unique set leaving 50 dead rolls

[distant comet]

Thats the issue exactly! Looting requires no brain cells! Just pick everything up because it all has no meaning and only serves as vendor trash. They need to give meaning to loot so that decision making can be part of the dungeon process, you want to actually have dillemas about dropping an item for another item you may need. That would only happen in a system where progression goes beyond simply gear based.

[high basalt]

sorc going into the roof STILL invis in gold pile room on ice cavvern

[dapper mortar]

yeah he did a few days ago

[junior wyvern]

i held the line man, i was a firm supporter of ironmace and this project.

overtime it became clearer and clearer that these guys are just a bunch incomeptent bafoons

They lied about everything they said, from the nexon lawsuit, to the company ethos, to the in game purchases.

IM is an absolute joke at this point

[trail ibex]

That's not a bug, thats a feature.

[light shore]

the unique pain has been felt hard

[high basalt]

yeah in his community announcement sure. im talking about with the state of the game and actually having input. hes literally a figurehead now because sdf has him gagged

[golden shard]

did sdf mention anything about solos and duos?

[trail ibex]

none since the first time he mentioned on Kitchen that he "might" add them back

[livid onyx]

Give a little credit to our public schools

[weary herald]

no rolls on gear was so good ,,i liked it much better,,.was cool new refreshing,,game was much balanced,..now it just its almost like every item is trash,,and i spend all my wealth on gems and socketing,,,whatever theywanted to perfect they shoulda take time and not take notice and register what anybody else is saying

[wind belfry]

The game wss so balanced... there was no MS 330 no rogue 3hitting a fighter... equipment were ez to find and there was no big gear diff between to make match up unplayable... now because streamer were crying they will hardly farm and have max out set and people who play like 2-3h a day will always be in difficult and get destroy by gear diff...

[lyric valve]

Express man not applying mint is not a bug. It’s intentional I’m pretty sure.

[trail ibex]

I like how devs to live service games have the equivalent of remote bricking your tesla because they feel like it.

[mighty charm]

WHERES SOLOS

[karmic granite]

So did they clear all stash’s and gold?

[livid onyx]

Oh damn, you're still here, cleric troll cheese is better than ever!!

[low flame]

He said he is still figuring out how to implement it in trios…

[obtuse osprey]

and these are more pressing than trying to make the core game better, yeah?

[tough mural]

Month Avg. Players Gain/Loss Change
Last 30 Days 3,894.9 –1,421.9 –26.7%
June 2025 5,316.8 –4,908.4 –48.0%
May 2025 10,225.2 –441.7 –4.1%
23 may sdf killed solo/duo
maybe the solution is to bring it back

[atomic nimbus]

wrote to support rn to clarify about expressman and if we can wear items looted on one hero for another

[distant comet]

Unfortunately, that's just not possible. SDF caves to pressure too often, seemingly.

[junior wyvern]

oh hey its the payed shill lol how does sdf`s nuts taste?

[trail ibex]

Bro your literal question was which bugs are upsetting me, dont change the subject

[golden shard]

how to implement solos and duos into trios???

[livid onyx]

Almost as good as cleric troll cheese, you're so angy, at least player count is up, now we can wait for the return of Solo's together

[tight sun]

its crazy how solo/duo was 60% of the player base and they took it away from us, what have the done to my boy

[marsh pollen]

do you get your gear back if you die in the dungeon and nobody loots you?

[sinful gull]

we need either solo back or random only que

[junior wyvern]

at least one of us admits they`ve got nuts in their mouth

[unborn bay]

Well that’s because it’s too hard to balance 1v1. So, instead, they’re trying to balance 1v3

[vague aspen]

I haven't been on in a while, is SDF actually listening to people now after that big apology?

[pseudo tusk]

can someone with the gravewolf craft hmu please, thank you

[tight sun]

makes since i cant kill someone 1 0n 1 but 1v3 oh yeah i got that dog in me

[trail ibex]

" More variables == easier "

Ironmace has some serious superstition level thinking to assume the more complex a party gets the more miraculously balanced it will tend to be.

[livid onyx]

If you're not here by the time solos comes back, the game is truly dead

[low flame]

Yes, the way it is now. Just trying to balance it into trios

[livid onyx]

What's the player count at rn bois? Hold the line

[brazen gate]

killing people by pressing a button first than the enemy is not skill

[junior wyvern]

down by -5k since may

[autumn wren]

That’s a comically reductive framing of the current combat system

[obtuse osprey]

dude thats exactly what you said in your first message: "Instead of fixing bugs and adding QoL improvements devs are tweaking numbers."

[trail ibex]

Lmfao the server is censoring boy-cott.

As I was saying i'm shocked this game still has this high a userbase despite all the awful changes

[tight acorn]

I know complaining is important but i’d also like to encourage everyone to do it constructively. Spamming insults at sdf helps nobody, least of all us who want to see change for the better.

[livid onyx]

Usually the case before a wipe

[lyric yarrow]

what a joke. Why would he revert the random modifiers again. just stick to your guns and introduce new items and content that the removal of the random modifers allows. So tired of the flip flopping

[distant comet]

Yep..

[junior wyvern]

lets celebrate losing half our playerbase in a few months!! hold the line bois!! lol if ur not payed to be here its a sad affair

[trail ibex]

And what do I say immediatly after??

I am perfectly aware there are more pressing issues, and my point is that they're too stupid to address them.

[lyric yarrow]

All the gear I stocked up since the pre-wipe now is worthless. This is so bs

[brazen gate]

It is what it is, low time to kill is a casual crutch to instill winning chances to everyone at the expense of skill expression

[long dagger]

after this update its clear some of you will cry about anything lmao, no wonder SDF said fuck what the playerbase says

[north mason]

Is this ragebait??? Lmaooo how

[bleak venture]

Highk we need a revert to patch 68 or a patch like it. If u disagree lmk

[limber sable]

After several weeks I've carefully planned and decided that I will do the exact thing I said I wasn't going to do cuz vision

[weary herald]

it can easily be when you qucik react with some crazy circle duck dodge and hit back..also immense gear gap where you cant kill just coz of out gear isnt,,,gear should make difference but less

[boreal flame]

disgusting that people can harrass innocent developers trying to do their job. @glad thunder real fans are on your side

[terse nova]

Yall want medieval overwatch i swear

[shell valley]

No fucking way

[trail ibex]

Thorogons suggestion on making rolls like they are on Diablo 2 would make blues and greens relevant again. But in case of doubt ye I'd rather revert how the game was in patch 68 exactly

[limber sable]

Oh look the drug dealer is standing up for SDF!

[tame elbow]

The now random modifiers are trash

[lyric yarrow]

I maybe have a few items that are gonna be worth anything that actually randomly rolled a few good stats, but compared to what the people paying $ for gold are gonna have tonight/tomorrow. We will be right back at the old issue of Gear gapping which will completely obliterate solo/duo play viability again

[long dagger]

oh look another crybaby who probably comes in here after every patch to whine about something

[brazen gate]

Its almost like you can do that even with high time to kill, except you can do it even more than once. Consistency is the highest skill ceiling you can have on the game.

90% of the weapons in the game are downward slashes (Basically guaranteed headshots) the other 5% are pinpoint accuracy thrusts (rapiers, spears) which also make it easy to land headshots. It's not skill to land a single headshot and killing people. It's a casual crutch when landing headshots is this easy.

[limber sable]

....Good one?

[lost rain]

@glad thunder You need to revert these reverts. STOP GOING BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME THATS WHAT THE TEST SERVER IS FOR YOU FOOL

[long dagger]

right back at you..?

[livid onyx]

I'm just here to promote the good lords word, cleric troll cheese.

[boreal flame]

more people prefered the old update to this one, people made the wrong choice for the game. Devs knew what they were doing

[junior wyvern]

Took you that long to come up with that? Did i hit a nerve? lol

[lyric yarrow]

He obviously didnt do this though. I was all on board with the removal of random modifiers. It allows for way more gear items and variety to be added to the game, as well as opening up entire new tiers of gear that could be established. Removing them made perfect sense. Bringing them back after only 2 weeks of testing and caving to the player base is exactly the opposite of what you are saying

[rare oracle]

I like how weather you farmed and gemmed a minted kit before realizing it Wasent necessary this season, or straight up bought a 100k kit for arena, either way you got your rolls destroyed with the last update, and then they now added poop random ones to it lol

[livid onyx]

I was DMing @split wadi about the changes, I don't only post in Game discussion lmao

[junior wyvern]

You dont need to justify yourself to me lol, makes it look worse hahahaha

[fallen umbra]

Always been

[long dagger]

not at all i understood the outrage for all the changes they made at first, but now they are slowly reverting and people still crying like this? I think random rolls should exist as a means of loot variety they shouldnt have been as crazy as they were, which is exactly what they did... so ya if people are still whining like they are they will forevere whine

[junior wyvern]

fact is most of the playerbase has lost faith and bounced.

anyone who has been here for more than a year knows these guys cant handle managing the game

[unreal obsidian]

expressman failed to give my stuff from ruins after dying in crypts

[lyric yarrow]

Only the peaople paying $ for gold liked the previous setup because they could gear gap and guarantee fights 80% of the time. Normal players have all been telling me and agreeing with me that the PVP was way more fun after pre-wipe. The flattened gear was great. only thing that needed to happen was maybe a Bardiche and Ranger nerf and we wouldve been golden

[thorny wasp]

oof we got random stats back again whyyyy

[livid onyx]

Cleric troll cheese changes a man, it's a thing of beauty

[junior wyvern]

calm down wierdo

[brazen gate]

People cry because he can't do anything right. He first killed the game by removing modifiers, then he doubles down and kills the game again by reverting but only partially. The current stats on gear are dumb. You can't even having a full ring or necklace with actually meaningful stats because the stats you can roll on it are all trash asides from phys power / phys dmg bonus or mag damage / mag power for example. BIS roll being stuff like buff duration is laughable.

SDF can't get a single update right, it's insane.

[lyric yarrow]

People leaving the game is mostly do to the flipflopping and inability to make a decision and stick to it for longer than a season... or even a month for gods sake

[cold dust]

Isn’t today wipe day? Tf is this hotfix

[sudden shuttle]

I love the magic damage bonus on my bow its pro

[fallen umbra]

yeah. Random modifiers sucks. But devs listen to streamers instead of players so we are back to stat checking meta

[livid onyx]

My bad man, I'm just really passionate about cleric troll cheese, and I must tell all the people. -63% debuff duration, <400 gold build, it's just so peak.

[long dagger]

ya see this just seems like whining no matter what they do lol

[lyric yarrow]

I love the additional phys dmg and armor pen on my spellbook.......

[marsh pollen]

he just needs to stop listening to people and stick to the vision for real

[stiff jackal]

W GEM SOCKETING UPDATE 🔥🔥🔥

[digital phoenix]

Now add solo back please

[brazen gate]

Nothing to do with whining, if you can't see the obvious issues with current gear it's just a lack of game experience and / or willingly not caring

[sudden shuttle]

Thats whatsup! I got true damage with spell casting speed too man! Hybrid builds for ranger/spell caster

[long dagger]

they literally just changed it again... what do you mean "obvious issue" lmao... have you even played? maybe you just suck at the game and want to blame every update for it

[stiff jackal]

now we need solo queue, and rolls back for the items and imo the lobby before game 👍👍

[split wadi]

Cleric troll cheese

[junior wyvern]

Are we seriously going to pretend like losing half yourplayerbase in 2 months is ok?

[distant bluff]

Let’s goo another update moving numbers around and nothing new w developer

[rare oracle]

Yeah not interesting In rebuilding my area kits after he nuked them. Will come try game when new season starts with an actual content update.

[rapid imp]

so it means still no solos . Wow

[livid onyx]

With cleric troll cheese, all things are possible, so jot that down.

[junior wyvern]

The only way these guys get any praise for any sort of development is when they revert the awful changes they make.

[lyric yarrow]

you mean the people that quietly purchase gold with irl $ and/or get consistent gear donations from their fan base.. Yea let's listen to those AhhHats

[brazen gate]

"The literally just changed it again". See you don't even read what I tell you and you pretend this change is anything like the gear we had or the gear we were meant to have when it was actually decently balanced (2 wipes ago). The obvious lack of experience is showing.

[cosmic swan]

I think it's pretty good right now, and it make sense to do that based on what SDF talked about in the kitchen. They plan to make PvP less important, but as usual they did that before working on anything to compensate. So right now we have gear which is mid and nothing else to do. But if they keep it that way and add new things to farm and do in the game (which they plan to do) then gear is in a good spot, not useless, not too broken. But it'll take time, because they keep removing things first right now it feel bad

[livid onyx]

You get it

[junior wyvern]

tons of blocked messages, must be the cheese wierdo lol

[marsh pollen]

i cant tell by this thread... most of yall suck its not the gears fault

[livid onyx]

Easiest anitrage bait ever, now you click to read or leave me to shill, W patch, Cleric troll cheese budget builds restored

[long dagger]

"the gear we were meant to have" tf you talking about lmao?! dude you are fr just whining to whine. imma go back to playing the game because I am good at it so its fun.. I completely understand whining in here everyday is probably way better than getting waxed in the dungeons all day so I will leave you to it! crybaby ahhh lol

[lyric yarrow]

I have 5500 hours in the game and have played every wipe since PT2. Random modifers needed to go. Bringing them back and not just sticking to the vision that keeps on coming back to haunt us EVERY WIPE and then gets reverted because of streamers and $ buyers, but screws over all new, casual, and mid tier players is rediculous

[light shore]

anyone who says this was a W patch clearly didnt have any gear lmfao

[sudden shuttle]

Brother all my melee gear has spell casting speed if thats not a W idk what is at this point

[junior wyvern]

streamers dont even play this anymore bro hahaha stop acting like they are the problem

game has no playerbase, and no views

[livid onyx]

If anyone wants to play cleric troll cheese the build is just -63% debuff duration, super cheap

[long dagger]

this is it lmao! "change the gear to how iiiii want it so iiii can be good at the game for once" lmaooo

[tame elbow]

They didnt bring back the random modfiers, they just want the players to rejoin, but its a lie, the actual random modifiers that we have now are a JOKE LMAO

[lyric yarrow]

them leaving was the problem. He reverted in hopes to get that group of players back. How you can't see this blows my mind

[wraith wigeon]

w patch. I’m guessing there are like 45K players rn.

[light shore]

love piles and piles of useless gear cuz of a patch

[livid onyx]

Loot quality is up, just loot a few skeleton corpses each round and get enough gems to gear yourself without even looking at the market

[north mason]

you clearly are a noob, i dont believe you have 5k plus hours crying about loot in a looter extraction, you are prob a f2p andy XDDD

[junior wyvern]

They left because the devs are incompetent, hell most people left lol we had 10k players in May.

These guys have a direct financial incentive that the game does well and becomes popular because it means more people are going to watch them

They tried giving their feedback, they werent heard. The devs went another way, the playerbase dropped so the streamers bailed, its that simple

[fallen umbra]

True. Every wipe there are milions changes to random modifiers while the clear and easiest solution was just removing them... Now we are back to this shitshow

[light shore]

tell that to my 3 pages of uniques on my market page selling for not even half what they were worth yesterday

[lyric yarrow]

my magic gear has physical attributes on it. My ranger gear has magic cast speed, magic dmg, etc.

This patch is another big middle finger to the player base that did stick it through and played the pre-wipe, just to wipe the Ahh of the streamers and people who left and wern't loyal

[livid onyx]

I have 5k+ hours, 2k+ of which spent cheesing the troll with cleric, I hope they remove all random modifiers that arent utility focused

[brazen gate]

Brother I probably make more gold in a single wipe than you have in every wipe you've ever played. You thinking you're right based on your empyrical evidence when: 1- no one knows you and 2- you don't know whoever ur arguing with is better than you or not.

The fact that 70% of the playerbase left the game in the past 2 weeks should be more than enough statistical proof that whatever sdf is doing is not the right way to do things. Not to mention that large majority of top tier players have abandoned the game goes against your whole "im good at the game and im still playing therefore it's fine" theory just further shows me how out of line you are

[junior wyvern]

I do agree with the middle finger bit. but by this point what do you expect from these devs lol?

you've been here for long enough, you should know better

[lyric yarrow]

Honestly, I would be ok with this. Utility focused random modifiers, I don't see any issue with that.

And also this wouldn't affect pvp, so would enable all the other benefits still of flat removing all random modifiers

[livid onyx]

The demand for BIS never stops, I really hoped they'd make everything only have a single roll this patch but I'll take what I can get, cleric troll cheese is so back

[livid onyx]

Yeah combat stats, always the most expensive, for some reason
Utility stats affect combat in less obvious ways and require planning and execution, damage and health is just damage and health

[long dagger]

empirical*, careful with those big words bud lol, who tf knows you? Your debating skills need some work lmao. Also, I know you suck or you wouldnt be in here whining about the game, you would actually be playing it after an update and having fun, I just thought it would be funnny to see who is still in here crying

[lyric yarrow]

a single random roll would've ALSO been acceptible I think. A complete revert is BS after forcing the entire player base to endure an inventory and gold wipe, also ending ranked season early

[distant comet]

I'm tired, boss. Modifiers are so anti-fun. Marketplace simulator is back. Just as I was enjoying the game again and excited for a new direction, we're back to this boring numbers nonsense....

[long dagger]

empirical*, careful with those big words bud lol, who tf knows you? Your debating skills need some work lmao. Also, I know you suck or you wouldnt be in here whining about the game, you would actually be playing it after an update and having fun, I just thought it would be funnny to see who is still in here crying

[livid onyx]

Yeah we already know what stats are going to be BIS, health damage and resistances

[lyric yarrow]

AMEN brother AMEN!

[light shore]

imagine joining this page just to call people bad ... LMAO

[proven kraken]

im less than a year in and tired of this back and forth

[long dagger]

I mean if you are still in here crying you are kinda telling on yourself...

[livid onyx]

At the very least we can gear ourselves without using the market at all, just gemming and selling treasures.

[light shore]

said the biggest crybaby here lmao

[little escarp]

I played a few games, the fun of the game was completely taken away from me, the market went crazy with prices, items that were previously of high value dropped to the trash level and of course the game starts where after one hit from a mage I have about 20 HP left

[long dagger]

what did I cry about then?

[livid onyx]

What makes me sad is not enough people have tried cleric troll cheese.

[distant comet]

That last part you mentioned is one thing I love about this wipe, the lethal PVE. Everything else you mentioned I agree with being lame.

[lyric yarrow]

You're a fool if you think only the bad players (which would mostly be new players, which there arn't many of these days) would come into this channel to voice their oppinion. If anything you look more and more like a shill with every reply you make

[light shore]

your child talks speaks volumes pal .. real class act ... really smart fellow

[little escarp]

The lack of additional bonuses didn't bother me, we had mostly equal chances, everyone could kill someone if they knew how to play... now it all depends on whether you meet someone with a better EQ than you...

[long dagger]

thats the thing I get all the complaining before, but even then still had fun because I was running lobbies, now people are still crying right after all the crying before? its just wild, people will really complain about anything and I am just convinced it is people who are not having fun because they are getting absolutely wrecked due to lack of adaptability i.e. if you are still in here whining... you suck lol

[lyric yarrow]

I wish @sdf would make some like community Polls before making decisions to revert his changes to actually get a true feel as to what the player base wants.

Like there should be a round the clock Polling system, built into the "Play" tab of the game lobby, where players can consistently give oppinions on topics sdf is focusing on at any given moment

At least then, when the changes do hit, we could feel like we had some sort of say in it and not just feel like he is going on the wims of the loudest players (streamers and people with no jobs)

[neon blaze]

guys is the next season in 8 hours or what? (wipe??)

[long dagger]

my child talk...? dude I asked you a question after you accused me of crying and you are too simple minded to even come up with an answer. you can suck on my doctorate

[distant comet]

The baseline gear was supposed to be the foundation to building out classes and revisiting aspects of the game that aren't working or aren't fun. They couldn't last two weeks without reverting back to meaningless mods to appease the people that want to play the marketplace spreadsheet game. Unless people are really excited about seeing all of that green and blue gear in a chest and immediately ignoring it because they only pick up purple or orange, only for most of those pieces to have memory capacity on it or something.

[calm torrent]

looks like this patch fixed some things but its far from ideal o.o

[tame elbow]

0.1% PDR ROLL LMAOOOOO sdf is lying he didnt bring back the random modifiers, he just want to troll the player base

[worn zephyr]

I NEED A THRID FOR HR trio party 26

[light shore]

you act like we cant scroll up lmfao

[wraith wigeon]

What’s the meta for Barb now? Agility kit with which roles?

[lyric yarrow]

And we are back to meta building now

[mighty oasis]

just wanted to thank the devs for their patience and hard work, i love the game at the moment thank you so much. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ keep up the good work and updates

[stray shard]

why they buff long sword riposte tho lol that was already op

[fallen umbra]

All of course. 40 str/vig/agi/dex is back

[tame elbow]

theres literally no content since MONTHS

[junior wyvern]

there has actually been a net negative in content in months, more has been removed than added lol

[lyric yarrow]

love how we added tru mag and true phys to spellbooks..

[tame elbow]

lol

[patent cobalt]

Guess they would remove what they reverted a few weeks later

[stray shard]

to be fair the ice map has totally changed which is technically new content.

[long dagger]

I am still waiting for an answer to my question... go on then

[light shore]

youve proven my points kiddo

[junior wyvern]

its the best they can do, re-arrange things ... they do it with everything, lobby settings, class skills, maps.... its how they fool people that they are "working"

[wraith wigeon]

Give me an example of how I’d do that?

[split wadi]

Cleric troll cheese

[pearl bolt]

you obviously didnt go down to ice hell

[long dagger]

dude what 😂 what point did you even make lmao?! you are crazy my guy, stop crying in here and go play the game or something else already

[wind gazelle]

rly hard to enable soloQ huh

[junior wyvern]

Wow so i have to go down to ice hell to see some minor changes? Wow im definitely hopping back into DaD now!! lol come on brother

[foggy rock]

patch 89 was legitimately the most fun the game has ever been. Too bad streamers brigaded the steam page AGAIN. They did it because that cant real$$$ gold and just win every fight with HP/MS gear in patch 89....

[atomic fossil]

game crash ?

[pearl bolt]

Ice hell is a lot more than some minor changes which you would know if you went down there

[distant comet]

ice caves/abyss was a good small content addition this wipe, yes; I also liked the modifiers being gone so they could introduce new mechanics and test things out, as it stands now with almost everything back to where it was before except trios only, the outlook is bleak

[halcyon hazel]

So sad to see them just hand over modifiers without any real change once again, whos ready for another massive gear gap!!

[stone falcon]

I feel the same way, it was good how it was with patch 89

[livid onyx]

Cleric troll cheese is so back baby, hold the line!

[junior wyvern]

This is a real game changer man!!! one aspect of one map has been changed.... groundbreaking for IM indeed

[brazen gate]

Funny you say this when the only argument you use is 'im better than you and im playing therefore it is fine' (which aint even true let alone a good argument💀 )

[foggy rock]

GEAR GAP ME HARDER STREAMER DADDY...

[pearl bolt]

IDC either way since I just uninstalled it but if you are going to complain at least complain about things you've taken the time to experience yourself. You just sound silly otherwise

[livid onyx]

Cleric troll cheese 🤜🏼🤛🏼

[stone falcon]

yep

[long dagger]

no actually it was that people will whine about anything, which is clearly you

[junior wyvern]

Brother, they just changed a map, relax... They havnt added anything of significance lol

[fallen umbra]

you can get +12 all just from modifiers

[split wadi]

Cleric troll cheesers, smoker locks, and perma stealth rogues walk into a bar.

They have a lovely time.

The end.

[foggy rock]

Brain rot babies review bombing the game TO MAKE THEM CAVE WTF

[distant comet]

Its already a thing. Got killed by some Cleric with an artifact morning star that had 6 random rolls on it....in normals

[livid onyx]

Does anyone know what those new purple scrolls do?

[wraith wigeon]

All attrs is back as a roll?

[pearl bolt]

lol and yet you didnt even try the thing they did add. Just weird is all I'm saying man complain about other things since the ice map expansion was pretty significant in size.

[wind belfry]

The game wss so balanced... there was no MS 330 no rogue 3hitting a fighter... equipment were ez to find and there was no big gear diff between to make match up unplayable... now because streamer were crying they will hardly farm and have max out set and people who play like 2-3h a day will always be in difficult and get destroy by gear diff...

[outer dagger]

I think the player count is making them cave. It's amazing how quickly your vision can change when you can't pay the bills

[split wadi]

Random Modifiers TLDR:
+All removed.
HP rolls removed.
MS rolls removed.
Less "problematic" sub-stat rolls still exist e.g. buff duration, cooldown reduction etc.
Up to +2 Add/True for Weapons only.
Can still roll +3 of a single attribute on Chest and Legs.
Attribute rolls removed from Neck, Rings and Cloaks.

[distant comet]

would almost be acceptable if they didn't also put like 5 rolls on each piece of gear.....so much bloat

[livid onyx]

Real talk, perma stealth rogue is so back and of course cleric troll cheese, hold the line! Love isn't always on time

[unkempt matrix]

Flip flop thelorr always right

[junior wyvern]

Why would i? they just changed a map? nothing actually new or exciting.... more content has been removed than added in the last months

you act like changing a map is groundbreaking content lol... its not that deep

[fallen umbra]

no, but you can get +3 on chest/legs and +2 on feet/hands/head separately.

[pearl bolt]

oh you are a stats == content guy, gotcha

[naive fiber]

Are we back boys I cant play at the moment

[split wadi]

We must discover more meme builds

[foggy rock]

Streamers are the problem here.. their agenda does not align with Ours. We want a fun game but they want something to monetize.. like gear build videos and trolling... yall eating that up the troll videos

[stone falcon]

nah it was better before

[junior wyvern]

Im a content = content guy. changing what is already there isnt content.

meanwhile ur just here trying to put words in my mouth lol

[fallen umbra]

Well... For some people new map or new mobs is not new content, but that +1 true damage roll is content

[unkempt matrix]

You sounding like a hater

[foggy rock]

That sounds like ad hominem in response to a well formed arguement

[stone falcon]

Yeah I feel that I enjoyed playing so much recently and now its all for naught again

[split wadi]

I hear things are still quite normalized, this is probably because of the armour and weapon damage flattening of the semi-wipe. The gap is increased but it is not insurmountable. Most of the more egregious mods are gone.

[pearl bolt]

again man you didnt even go look at what they did to ice hell so you cant really comment on that. They added new content lol

[livid onyx]

Yes we must

[junior wyvern]

As i previously said, in over all we have is a slightly changed ice hell map.... groundbreaking changes indeed, such content

p.s. no one even plays ice caverns

[split wadi]

Oh! Jolly time bard! How can we forget? It's also back

Sandvich ranger

[little escarp]

I already felt this when I entered HR. Completely pointless.

[sinful gull]

taking gear is basically pointless if you dont have 2 sweaty friends w/o gearscore or solos

[pearl bolt]

you are being dishonest. You are switching from "they added no content" to "the content isnt ground breaking so it doesnt count"

[outer dagger]

It doesn't. It's another lacklustre update on an unpopular map
Sorry man, after 3 years I expected more. And so should you

[weary herald]

higher ttk and consistency isnt higher skillcap...gear makes diff,,not skill

[junior wyvern]

Wow, you`re one of those guys huh 🤓 "wEll ActhuAllY, YoU Spethifically said"..... take a hard look at yourself brother. ok in over a year they slightly added something to one area of the least played map in the game, huge. Meanwhile they removed more than they added lol

[earnest drift]

Call them out

[distant comet]

Right, but the argument that people cite to bring modifiers back is to make gear more "meaningful", but that mass of numbers and percentages is frankly just noise, it does nothing to peak my interest in what im looting; its the wrong system to focus on. They should be making more crafting options, or bring more uses to items you find in dungeon. You should be able to use those goblin ears to craft a goblin ear necklace to give you bonus damage vs goblins, all those skeleton bones should be used to craft bone weapons that cause disease damage, gems should be where modifiers could be added to gear, that firefly item that drops from golems should be used to craft lanterns that heal over time while they are out in use, etc. etc. Looting needs to have some damn use and decision making. As it stands if you watch someone playing the game they STILL ignore all the greens and blues because they are useless and epic gear is so prevalent. And thats as far as the looting cycle goes for most people until they see a better color.

[weary herald]

@brazen gate ofc you can be so skilled you outskill big gear gap

[fallen umbra]

So you are the guy that cries every patch that druid/ranger/wizard/whatever class is op but balance change patch you call content removal? Nice..

[sudden shuttle]

Grabs popcorn at 9:17am

[pearl bolt]

lol

[junior wyvern]

No i call removing the most popular formats of the game content removal.

Way to assume and argue in bad faith though

[stone falcon]

I dig this ^

[little escarp]

When they finally managed to balance the game by creating the same chances for everyone to win in PVP based solely on your skills, a group of streamers had to start crying that they couldn't make content on it and the game became unplayable again.

[pearl bolt]

The game can exist with only 3s. If you actually played the game you are crying about you would have got to experience that. Look at tarkov, there are no cry baby solo/duo players there. If you queue up, good luck, you could run into a 1v5 situation. Figure it out

[outer dagger]

They mostly left because the game got boring due to lack of content

[split wadi]

People see this as a revert but it's more of a compromise. Also, if people didnt think random mods would be back in some capacity they are crazy. Random mods are a quick bandaid fix anyways and hopfully will not be around forever now that they are supposedly looking towards something new. I agree they need a more interesting system.

[upbeat notch]

Do headshots still do 200% damage?

[stone falcon]

I had more fun with patch 89 compared to anytime before

[deft geyser]

U can 1v5 with a single impact nade

[sudden shuttle]

yes but now you have spell casting speed too!

[rare oracle]

How was getting 1 shot by rangers on wizard rogue etc, being unable to kill barbs on any class, in any way balanced? What was the point of even attempting this endeavor when there was no reward anymore. You enjoyed a flawed battle royal mode. Just play normals.

[fallen umbra]

True

[outer dagger]

You were in the minority

[rough drum]

no solos? wew

[earnest drift]

Sorcerer, random module dungeon, tons of new bases. What are u on about. I would also preffer something more substantial like more perks and skills and spells and a overhaul of chracter progression but lets not put “they didnt add content” and “I didnt cara about the content they added” in the same bag

[pearl bolt]

the majority just cried and didnt ever try it. So /shrug

[autumn wren]

Inverse could be said for the no-lifers who play the game like a full time job having an inarguable and in-out playable advantage to anyone who doesn’t grind. Your attempt to masquerade your willingness to time-sink as some sort of meaningful skill gap is extremely transparent. So yeah, it is what it is lmfao

[stone falcon]

because the others got manipulated by streamers and left without playing lol

[marble chasm]

The gear gap is objectively smaller now compared to before (no +12 all attributes and +21 true damage) in some respect. There is no longer +all attribute rolls. That's good. From what I can tell, they reduced the max rolls on key stats, and that reduces gear gap. For example, weapons can't have 5% phys damage rolls anymore: I have only seen up to 2% phys damage roll. They also reomved mvm speed rolls, so building a mvm speed build should be theoretically harder (agility rolls will be needed)

[outer dagger]

No.... they left because the game has grown stale

[candid gate]

all the new rolls are useless as f my god sdf is a monkey

[upbeat notch]

I don't think headshot damages should be more than 115%, I get that it's a reward for skill, but it creates too much of a divide between those with skill and those lacking skill. I'd also like to see a 115% damage modifier for attacking someone from behind to reward/punish good positioning.

[rare oracle]

That was 7 months ago

[little escarp]

And now you won't die from a beefed-up Ranger who has max STR and can destroy your mage like a rat in one hit. xD Was the barbarian really a problem for you to kill? A slow bruiser who could be killed in two hits.

[fallen umbra]

so we are all

[junior wyvern]

i probably have more game time than you lol. the content they added is so good you uninstalled am i right?

the game can exist in any certain way, it could be a racing game lol that is a void argument that says nothing.

doesnt mean it will be popular or successful

[sudden shuttle]

Love seeing all the passion of all you gamers fighting for the same cause being a great game! Keep the feedback loop going we may see random modifiers removed in a few days!

[earnest drift]

He said “no content was added in 1 year” 7 months ago is less than a year, no?

[autumn wren]

When a “skill gap” is predominantly based on a time-sink to stat buff ratio, the “skill gap” doesn’t exist. Argue with a wall

[dawn socket]

Have you been to ice cave it’s 2x the size now

[marble chasm]

@upbeat notch The devs are trying to balance getting carried by gear vs. carried by skill. The less skill matters, the more gear-gaps will have stats to carry you. So I can see why they left the head-shot damage mod as is. If you are against a BIS team, in theory you can beat them by consistently landing headshots if you are more skilled than them

[astral thunder]

Never seen devs kill a game with a decent sized playerbase faster

[candid gate]

@glad thunder

[earnest drift]

I loved it

[fallen umbra]

new ice map is so cool

[pearl bolt]

I uninstalled because its annoying the back and forth. I'll come back when they have an identity

[junior wyvern]

But they added so much new content bro, why would you uninstall? lol

hilarious

[outer dagger]

The majority of players who left didn't leave because of streamers influence, didn't leave because of a bad patch, didn't leave because of removal of rolls or solo/duo's. They left because they are sick of the never ending cycle of flip flopping. Why invest time in a game that will ultimately just leave you frustrated? Sure, the game might be good now or in a patch or 2, but who cares when it's just going to revert and be crap again soon?

[candid gate]

SDF needs to go. He is a trol and a clwon. he clearly has mental instability and issues and is taking it out on the player base.

[pearl bolt]

I actually just explained that, did you really not read the comment you just responded to?

[junior wyvern]

But dude, the new ice map is awesome!! how could you uninstall?

[livid onyx]

I ran into the issue of being annoyed by the back and forth changes, now I just do cleric troll cheese and spend most of my time in troll room goofing around. It's a peaceful life

[candid gate]

@glad thunder Noone here likes you. Not one player. Youre a trol and you have no idea what you are doing.

[pearl bolt]

andddd they crumble lol. Anyways man I would recommend trying things for yourself in the future

[broken ridge]

Devs are on tge right way, but i think it should be smth else, bc in 2025 count of headshots/hits doest matter skill for sure, almost every noob can hit in head

[sudden shuttle]

What has Coach contributed? Sell yourself over SDF!

[little escarp]

Yes, it's great that we have a new map, it's a shame that the game has been turned upside down again, these constant changes that either force you to play a different character or a completely different style are tiring

[junior wyvern]

brother your defending something you dont even believe in lol

fact is if they made relevant content people would stick around.

not constantly re-arranging or making minor additions that have no real impact.

you agree with me in the end of the day, because you uninstalled

[fathom thorn]

bro i need a hoof still can i get it from adventure mode or do i have to run normals because its a purple rarity

[livid onyx]

Cleric troll cheese hasn't changed since the great PFE nerf of '87

[raw ridge]

how long until the game resets again?

[little scarab]

not a fan of adding stats back to gear. I really liked where it was at. Please stop. lmao

[viscid ember]

ssf arena sucks i cant share a kit with my friend now and i cant craft anything for the class i play its gonna take so much hour for to be able to play

[night imp]

same

[untold cove]

they added random modifers to back to existing gear so now my full unique kit is completely ass lol

[little escarp]

I left this game because the difference the equipment you had on you made in the gameplay made me not want to continue playing. When they finally removed those stupid bonuses, the game was enjoyable, the fights were more intense and you had to use more tactics instead of stupidly pressing W like in the case of a barbarian who has maxed STR/DEX/AG and doesn't care about anything in his path.

[little scarab]

yeah like just let a good item be good man. This diablo esk random modifier is soooo bad like seriously pls stop

[neon blaze]

YOU LOOSE ITEMS IN ARENA F YOU DIE?

[pearl bolt]

Its just your dishonesty that is bugging me to be frank. They did add quite a bit of content with the ice hell expansion and even tho you dont care for it doesnt mean the work didnt go in for it so saying they are just taking away content is dishonest. Anyways I think I understand what you actually saying and its that you dont like the game so I'd suggest just not playing it pretty simple

[mighty oasis]

why is everyone so toxic in this community bro? o.o what a shame, DnD used to have such a good community ;-;.. people will say its because the game went downhill but thats no reason to justify being a toxic person lol. what a shame bro

[upbeat notch]

And my position on that is that we need more than gear and skill to be part of that formula. We also need, builds and party composition to matter. Meaning, that having the right build against someone should matter as much as gear. Party composition should also matter although not as much as skill. Of course we shouldn't have builds that are the best against everything, builds should come with advantages and disadvantages so that choosing a build is not about just netbuilding the best one.

[livid onyx]

Even before the item changes I just used troll to destroy geared players, my only issue RN is the removal of solo queue

[little escarp]

Your set was worth a fortune now it probably got worthless bonuses that made your set worth as much as the blue eq

[little escarp]

The lack of additional bonuses showed who can play this game and who can't, when you entered with a gray EQ and fought someone with a purple EQ and still destroyed them, it was a reward for having greater skills, not who had better gear...

[candid gate]

Season 6 Semi Wipe:
#1 - Introduce a new "balance" system that SDF intends he has been working towards
#2 - For the second time, drop that "balance" system and revert back to the old system
#3 - Put into effect these changes mid season and screw all the rolls on the gear that you have already purchased for Arena and Dungeon (Happens every season)
#4 - Change arena to SSF after arena was not SSF from the start of the season
#5 - Piss off the player base and troll the players every season

Correct me if im wrong.

[thorn glen]

Ironmace does changes like this mid wipe that completely re-distributes the value of gear. But they're sure to tell their friends when, how, and what's changing before the update so they can retain their wealth.

[livid onyx]

Yeah, it's still possible with the current gear setup, but the gear gap is widened by a fair bit. I really enjoyed the last patch.

[untold cove]

i mean i only spent like 50k to make it totally didnt waste my time or anything

[little scarab]

yeah highkey I haven't enjoyed any wipe since the start of the game "when fireball absolutely deleted people" removing secondary stats was honestly one of the best changes yall made. Now you bring it back. Why? It's trash? It's honestly a terrible system period like remove random stats period.

[junior wyvern]

it just sounds like you are word lawyering for the sake of winning an argument online dude, its pathetic honestly... Fact is im not being dishonest, the complaint of lack of content is widespread. fact is most of the players have left the game yourself included.

I have already corrected myself, if you think that in 7 months minor changes to a 2nd level map is solid content fine, but clearly it isnt because you have left the game as well lol.

meanwhile they removed the most popular formats in the game.

so yeah i take it as a net negative.

[little escarp]

1 vs 1 you might still have a chance but not when you get 3 guys in turbo EQ...

[silk sparrow]

Is the new update any decent? Ignoring subjective balance changes

[untold cove]

you should be able to socket all existing gear without the gem this is dumb af

[pearl bolt]

You've clearly not played the last 7 months lol its pretty funny tbh

[distant comet]

subjective balance changes are literally the whole patch

[junior wyvern]

brother i got demigod this season before this bizare semiwipe. i have a lvl 100 fighter a lvl 200 warlock and a lvl 200 mage right now that i can screen shot for you. stop assuming so much from others.

[livid onyx]

Yeah that's exactly why I want solos to return, I can for sure confidently fight anyone 1v1 overall but trios is gonna be just too much if squire gear vs purple+

[devout yoke]

Can someone clarify - now in arenas can you lose gear if you bought it from marketplace and if you lost the match?

[hardy nimbus]

Did the gear from before patch didn't get rolls?

[little scarab]

oh well. Back to not playing until they remove this terrible change

[pearl bolt]

its just wild to me that you could have played the new content and not realized it was. And then there is a big chunk of new content (essentially a new level 2 for ice) and you dont even try it. hilarious

[remote yarrow]

Solo still gone?

[tight sun]

open the game and look

[silk sparrow]

Well i'm knew. I just wanna get in when its solo/noob friendly. Is solo back? Has solo farming become easier/noob friendly?

If no then idc

[rotund marlin]

i wish my rolls are acc unsellable and not worth using

[little escarp]

Most of the EQ I collected lost value because worthless bonuses were added to them.

[normal ginkgo]

This game turned to absolute trash. They took out half their player base by removing solo and duo. They are so inconsistent with every update. They change stuff and then revert other stuff back to what it was. It’s just trash. You get used to something and then a month later it’s completely different

[hardy nimbus]

wish i could but I'm on the phone at work atm

[candid gate]

The devs are cooked. If you can't tell by now they are trolls. Game is likely a joke to them.

[sudden shuttle]

@candid gate Why you big mad and direct messaging me instead of sending it here? Enlighten me.

[distant comet]

Patch notes in the "announcements" tab. But to answer your question, no, solos is not back. And the game just became harder for new players with the readdition of modifiers.

[stray shard]

they did

[untold cove]

ahh yes the additional magic damage roll on my longbow gotta love it

[hardy nimbus]

Thank you kindly. Maybe my plan of buying trash uniques will pay off

[sudden shuttle]

Just wait until that spell casting speed kicks in. Puts that bow into overdrive!

[livid onyx]

Let him go, he's lost, he doesn't even cheese troll or play on ice abyss.

[junior wyvern]

its not relevant that is my point, a few new rooms? they managed to buy a few new assets from unity? huuuuuuge

its so stale that i barely noticed it was new

if it were actually engaging you would stick around, but you didnt, i didnt and half of the playerbase also didnt.

thats the best IM can do, minor changes and additions that barely feel like new content.

[normal ginkgo]

I hate that stuff. There shouldn’t be any magic buffs to weapons and gear that wizzards and other magic characters can’t even equip

[thorn glen]

The issue is Maps create queues. More maps = more queues. The last thing we need right now is more queues with the playerbase the way it is. Maps do nothing but give us the same gameplay loop/content we've already been doing for years, just in different scenery. The game needs other content. Skill trees, friendly/competitive duel arenas, a shelter to upgrade, life skills, guilds, guild halls to build/upgrade.

[sinful gull]

i bring gear.. i get teamkilled by a random.. bring back solo this is a joke.. not even a report option

[distant comet]

I'll never hate on the ice map additions, its a noticeably different map, specifically Ice Abyss. But nobody is disagreeing with you that the game is in a content drought. The game needs content in the form of loot reconfiguring, making the loot interesting and have more uses/purpose. Modifiers ain't it.

[formal gale]

THE FLOP FLIPPING HAS KILLED THE ARCHER META WOOP WOOP

[hardy nimbus]

Just add new tiles to the current maps

[mild sinew]

add phys and add weapon dmg huh.. weird

[pearl bolt]

I don't disagree. Its just dishonest that some people say "they have not added any new content". The queue thing is a big reason they need to not bring solo/duos back.

[junior wyvern]

content addition was so good dude uninstalled the game lol

[smoky thistle]

what wpeon on barb now good still berdich?

[cobalt tulip]

What was the original longsword riposte %??

[mild sinew]

125

[livid onyx]

1.89

[thorn glen]

Yeah I understand. People exaggurate to fit narratives.

[pearl bolt]

what is hilarious is that I've already explained why I uninstalled and it wasn't content related. Yet another dishonest statement

[tight acorn]

The game has never really been noob friendly. PvE mode still exists (this season) tho so you can learn the mechanics and the mobs a bit

[junior wyvern]

We are seriously going to act like IM added real content to the game? Thats more dishonest than anything ive said hahahahaha

a few room changes of a 2nd level of a specific map isnt it mate

[hardy nimbus]

Issue is they try to achieve impossible. SDF wants balance of solo to be viable against trio. So the ttk or htk needs to be low enough for clutch plays but high enough for satisfying gameplay. That's pretty damn impossible.

[hardy nimbus]

Few rooms? It transformed from 3x3 to randomized 5x5

[distant comet]

Honestly that system of Patch 89 would've felt really good in a solos queue. Would've loved to have kept it like that and have them revisit classes and add new spells/perks/abilities for a bit before they got back to tinkering with gear.

[muted kraken]

babe new flip flop dropped

[formal gale]

they kept the 200% head damage???

[junior wyvern]

yes its a few rooms, of one specific area, of one map. its nothing huge, and having farmed demigod in ice caverns i can attest its still empty, no one plays that map

[thorn glen]

I've done the 1v3 a few times. But I'm at 1200 hours, and getting old lol. It's too difficult against a trio with similar hours as I have.

[pearl bolt]

bro that guy hasn't even tried the new ice abyss. Just a dishonest commenter

[nocturne lintel]

@glad thunder fu.. this new party system and fu.. trios 🙂 dead game

[junior wyvern]

changes so good you stopped playing the game. who is dishonest here?

[hardy nimbus]

Yeah I just noticed his swap in argument. Won't be talking with him.

[toxic trout]

Wanna be my friend so we can play?

[little scarab]

honestly two simple changes that would make this game great. 1. remove all bonus stats from gear. that's right. the previous set up was fine. want to add more stats? Fine. research the data. and add STATIC stats to specifc items. no random shit. 2. implement the dummy system "where you can see your damage numbers pop up when you hit a target dummy" Have that system apply in game combat. both of these changes would lock people in.

[ebon musk]

damn dude still in here crying? you dont havea life outside of this discord or game do you? is that why youre so upset over it changing?

[junior wyvern]

What are you on about lol? id like to know where i swapped arguments

[topaz star]

So what about items that don't state it has been found by anyone? Is there a way that I could get it named to my name or is it just an unamed item?

Ex: I have a unique ring of resolve, it doesn't state who it was owned by, would I still lose it?

[lunar fable]

Anyone remind me when season 7 actually starts?

[hazy igloo]

is the arena season ending also an inventory wipe? should I sell my stuff for stash expansion funds?

[polar trout]

i am a solo player mostly and i ujst wanted to say i really enjoyed the previous stat removal. not at first but quickly realized how much less micro managing bullshit was no longer required. looking at titles of youtube videos of people saying goodbye... well... cry a fucking river. anyway hopefully stats are removed again someday. thats all i wanted to say. timmy out

[distant comet]

Its too late man, they already brought back modifiers. Taking them out again, as good as it would be for the game, is no longer in the cards.

[junior wyvern]

Hey keep your hopes up, they can always flip flop back... the sdf classic

[little scarab]

yeah they've changed stats and gear and quality and base quality you find like 10-12 times since I started playing

[distant comet]

My last bit of hopium erased. You can check streamer streams and its already back to how it was before. Steamrolling "were so back" shi7.

[junior wyvern]

Makes you wonder if there even is a vision lol

[upper mist]

Well random mods are back until they replace them with a different system. They just returned them as playing the game is more fun with mods until those new systems drop

[little scarab]

they can easily remove random mods and make them static. Best items should be best. period. It's better for casual people and makes the gear gap naturally less because if you find legendary riveted gloves they are bis period. secondary stats being random is terrible for average casual players.

[polar trout]

i think its more fun without so that is your opinion i guess

[cinder tulip]

best trio set up now boys ideas? class/build please go

[junior wyvern]

you never know what sdf has in store bud. fog again? dark swarm is back? sheesh random portal spawns only? the sdf roulette is always surprising

[distant comet]

Playing with them is NOT more fun, it literally makes no difference to the play experience. Slight number improvements from modifiers especially as they stand now does nothing to make loot more interesting or more impactful. It only encourages finding specific pieces of gear with the best stat on it which usually requires playing the marketplace game again. The whole point of taking away modifiers to create a new system was not to bring them back prematurely to satisfy the already lost playerbase.

[little scarab]

and honestly. If you feel like the gear does need EXTRA stats like what the random mods could give. then make them static and not random. It's just better. everyone agrees with me. It's really that simple. LOL surely.

[void kestrel]

please add true damage and move speed to sashes

[junior wyvern]

the game was more popular with random mods though

[livid onyx]

He claims to be a line holder, I just don't see it.

[hazy igloo]

is this season end an inventory wipe????

[tribal wind]

It’s a gamblers mentality, people enjoy it even though it’s a net loss for them, can’t see the forest for the trees

[little escarp]

Removing additional mods from items was the best move. Now PVP is becoming frustrating again.

[distant comet]

the game was less popular every wipe, you know thats arguing in bad faith, the inevitable was only acheived faster by removing SOLOS, I dont think the modifiers made the difference

[gloomy scaffold]

bro why readd modifiers at the end of semi wipe lmao, I just burnt my gear ready for wipe

[mild umbra]

I just downloaded the game I have no clue how to play

[livid onyx]

Yep, random roll slot machine dopamine addicts.

[little scarab]

Random mods are what kill the game tbh. If they were static it would be fine. Like I'm cool with riveted gloves always having +2 agi and +1 true if they are legendary. +1agi 0 true if epic for example. Static mods are bis. And it makes looting as a normal player much better and also closes the gear gap.

[ebon musk]

i dont either they only hold the line when they can stat check other players instead of skilling them

[junior wyvern]

not true, there was a spike of players in april, when the game seemed to be in a good place. but the devs cant have the game do well, they have to mess with it to drive people away

the more the devs mess with the game, the less popular it gets

[hazy igloo]

Hello?!

[livid onyx]

Yeah it's sad to see, this last patch was so good for PvP and PvE, guess it's back to ratting with boof gear and waiting for next wipe

[upper mist]

Your right it was to test dungeon HTK and work to diminish gear gap as per sdfs own words. As to it not being more fun thats just preference brother and who knows what that new system will be? Maybe its exactly what you are saying my point and IMs point is since those systems arent in play yet so random mods will be returned

[ebon musk]

when they reverted the last years patched my and my buddies just stopped playing, the game is ass when its just gear stat=win

[autumn wren]

Yeah I think norms lobbies should be capped at purples or maybe even blues to fix this. BiS is going to be too BiS now and with no dedicated solo mode and no gear cap for norms I DO NOT see this ending well

[distant comet]

April was the beginning of season 6, of course there was a spike. You'll see the same at the beginning of season 7....

[junior wyvern]

Season 6 was amazing. we wont see those numbers again ever id argue, game has changed too much... too many ppl have lost faith in the dev team,

[distant comet]

Just like Season 6 didnt see the numbers of Season 5....

[hazy igloo]

Can anybody please answer my question?

[pearl bolt]

You mean today? No

[junior wyvern]

its one thing going from 26k to 21k players .... its another to go from 21k to 3-5k ... i guess we will wait to see the launch of the new season... but i doubt it will even reach 10k players

[hazy igloo]

the season end in 7 ish hours will not wipe inventories?

[little scarab]

if they keep random stats it wont. yesterdays loot system was damn near perfect. me and my 2 friends were straight up readdicted to this shit because it was so good.

[pearl bolt]

Nope! At least I don't think so

[distant comet]

One week before Season 6 the game was around 5k players.....quit arguing in bad faith

[junior wyvern]

average players the month before s6 is 7.5k

average players this month is 3.8k

its almost half

[hazy igloo]

thank you for responding, i appreciate it

[distant comet]

And how does it refute my point that the game has been on a decline even before the semi wipe? It doesn't.

[pearl bolt]

Np! 😎

[solar needle]

is the headshot multiplier 200%? cus it doesn't say a number in the patch notes

[sweet marlin]

yea

[junior wyvern]

i never disputed that, ive only added the fact that the decline accelerated rapidly lately

[distant comet]

Arguing with Lowez is like developing with SDF

[junior wyvern]

hahaha are we out of ideas?

[formal gale]

guys, can anyone confirm if they have patch 69 random attributes? Chest pieces cant have additional movement speed?

[distant comet]

Were just having the same conversation as yesterday, have more fun bashing my head against yours than playing the game

[junior wyvern]

I like how you havnt really addressed what i said, just went back to "the game is declining since launch"'

meanwhile june 2025 is when the game lost most % of its playerbase (48% is rooooooough)