game-discussion

[ionic trellis]

bros a detective and shi

[quasi plover]

we got a internet sleuth

[mental oyster]

just saying, might be another angle

[fluid yoke]

Why is everyone so fucking fast?

[waxen wadi]

330 bear lol

[inner egret]

Sorry it’s soft capped so hard that after 50 it’s basically worthless my bad

[waxen wadi]

it goes from 1% to 0.5%, soft cap is one way to put it, but it's not basically worthless, just inefficient.

[ionic trellis]

yea unless u get physical dmg bonus which scales better after 50 phys power

[waxen wadi]

getting more then 50 phys power isn't a good idea, but it's not a worthless idea.

[ionic trellis]

yea i dont think youd need more than 50 lol

[inner egret]

It’s pretty worthless but ok

Is it resourcefulness worthless no

[waxen wadi]

remember that phys power isn't strength, meaning you can get both for double the phys power

[inner egret]

lol no brother

Str gives phys power

[ionic trellis]

yea

[waxen wadi]

strength and phys power are two seprate rolls, so you can get both on once piece

[ionic trellis]

phys power is a diff roll

[waxen wadi]

can't get 6 strength as a roll, but you can get 3 strength and 3 phys power

[inner egret]

No one builds phys power

[waxen wadi]

the one shot barbs do

[ionic trellis]

i see some ppl build it

only rogue and barbs and ranger tbh

[inner egret]

Hp is too important

[waxen wadi]

I'm not going to debate what stats you should be taking, I'm just saying it's not useless. it's niche. good or bad is up for debate, but it has a practical use

[inner egret]

I mean you’re actively debating it lol

Sure you could stack phys power str and phys power bonus but you’d end up being a glass cannon that would get run over by anyone with a brain

It’s a great meme tho

[waxen wadi]

that is the problem with glass cannons

[inner egret]

Good for land mining with an invis pot in solos I guess but if they built properly you prob just get stat checked anyways

[languid cloak]

why does lich throw orb at me everytime i go into the boss room when someone else is doing it ? i went in and out the room 3 times and had 3 orbs tossed at me

[inner egret]

Whoever is furthest

[waxen wadi]

invis pot barbarian exists lol

[inner egret]

Yeah for another month lol

[languid cloak]

is there a cooldown for it because i left the room and blocked the orb 3 times and i went into the room and left 3 times

[waxen wadi]

what class are you playing?

[solid cypress]

Wym

[waxen wadi]

can't have invis pot barbarian without dark and darker

[solid cypress]

Where’s dark and darker going

[hardy dawn]

how rare is the cockatrices feather?

[waxen wadi]

it's looking very likely that it'll be killed off by iron mace

[solid cypress]

Did they say they were planning to? Or did the allude to it in some way?

[sullen anchor]

it doesn’t exist (like 5% drop rate or something i don’t know)

[inner egret]

No more solos

[waxen wadi]

they've alluded to it by making the changes they've been making within the last few months

[inner egret]

And no more game lol

[hardy dawn]

and only 2 per map thats insane

[solid cypress]

Time for bard invis song triple ambush play

[solid cypress]

Sdf will keep this game running until it’s just him, graysun, and I solo queuing into dead lobbies

[waxen wadi]

if they can aford it that is

[hardy dawn]

can u buy the cockatrice feather for the quest?

[cosmic swan]

Nop

[scenic tusk]

what stats impact the effectiveness of a druid's passive healing aura?

[cosmic swan]

Magical healing. But very poorly, you'll need 10 magical healing to heal one more mer tick, so +2 heal at best

[ornate crystal]

can you use names in arena yet?

[scenic tusk]

I met a druid one time in open queue whose passive healing aura healed much, much more than that? how did he do that?

it activated very frequently and was healing for easily five health each time if not significantly more

his kit was mostly frostlight with a couple of uniques

[shut raptor]

is 1,379 arena rating high?

[shadow crypt]

u are in less than 1% of best players, congrats

[sonic maple]

🫃

[blissful citrus]

Cant change my mind that 90% of this player base is dog sh!t and the other 10% gate keep everything in the meta

[hardy dawn]

queue with randoms in normals is pretty much just pvp. shits so annoying

[shut raptor]

whats the highest rating rn?

[shut raptor]

not sure if thats sarcastic or not lol

[pine yew]

over 3000

[plucky depot]

is the golden era of dad gone forever

[rotund monolith]

BURN SFD TO THE GROUND

SDF is more villan than pedro sanchez

[signal igloo]

crazy how like 2 months ago it was peak now its aids

[shut raptor]

\

[hardy dawn]

according to the leaderboards under arena test 4 its 3,718

[narrow relic]

the absolutely unrivaled overpower of barbarians is just completely mind boggling. there is no other class in the game where you can have a fight and have no other takeaway from the loss other than "they picked a stronger class than me". barbarians are the cancer that will completely kill this game by removing the skill floor. ggs folks rename the game to "barbarians and barbarians"

[shut raptor]

got a shit talking teammate who griefed my games then hess on the other team and i wipe him after he tried to talk shit adnd 3-1 him as a caster cleric he raged offline LMAO

[hardy dawn]

there's no cleric in the top 100. if ur trying to be good at arena i suggest you do a meta classs. im still new but like the dude above said, some classes are simply better

[shut raptor]

i8dc was curious im playingh for fun

[hardy dawn]

i also feel like arena is simply a gear check now ngl.

[idle stag]

Just a little info guys if you didnt noticed. Highroller entree fee is not working correctly. I tried it now several times. You pay for example 100 gold when you go into ruins. If you go deeper into crypts another 100 g gets taken and when you go into inferno another 100 gold is taken.. Idk if thats intended but its kinda stupid

[clear venture]

prolly unintneded feature

[swift nacelle]

The vision of SDF lol

[slender orchid]

That's a glitch from early this season that was fixed.. weird that it is happening again.

[olive flower]

Was just stomped in hr goblin caves by some fighter full in unique/legendary gear. Not rly i had any chance in my green/blue. "Thanks" sdf for removing gear bracket.

[swift nacelle]

Bro trust, it's the vision for the game that'll save the playerbase

[glass silo]

Cant we players have nice things sdf

[old cave]

Holly hell just pulled 4 ssr in one pull

You got a New title

[main crescent]

FOr the love of god nerf barb

[chilly idol]

when was last wipe

[slow salmon]

SDF only nerfs classes he cant fight against and buffs classes he wants to play as. This game doesnt have any real balance, but he is expanding content and will eventually have to stop egodeving.

That being said even the weakest class- rogue, is still mad fun to play. So as long as its fun idc.

[leaden basalt]

hello guys is it normal when im in panther form as druid i always get shot from skeleton crossbowman or archer=?

[timber tide]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow so if streamer had favor treatment for hacker ? i spends 5000 hours on your game because at the base "you listen the community " today we all know that you don't give a fuck about the commmunity . u're juste even worse than ubisoft . cheating on your own game . doing thing that makes more easy to cheat without punition . u just betrayed a whole community of fan . @glad thunder u should check if u and graysun could bought honor back ! graysun when ur bad on game you tryhard or stop but don't use more skilled people to carry u'r ass . u've been cheating on other games . that hilarious xD . i was a huge fan since playtest 2 . MORE THAN 5000HOURS i swear to god sdf and graysun are juste the same type of guy who want devs to make game fast for money . et earn money with the game without doing real thin g but coniue to inprit dollars with the beast until they can't anymore . u've killed dark and darker

[little hawk]

Hello, i'm disapointed i cannot play solo game anymore outside highroller. why ?

[timber tide]

bc sdf had visions

and solo isn'tt in his vision anymore

[little hawk]

hmm tx answering

[timber tide]

u'r welcome brother , u're not alone trust me xD

[little hawk]

^^

[leaden lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDHdCc9W_cM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAy-oVHrBU0

@zinc sparrow

[quasi kite]

Guys I really don't understand the cyclops mechanic where the boulders fall from the ceiling.. I'm looking down and not standing on the black spots, but I still take damage, what am I doing wrong?

[timber tide]

🥲

[boreal kindle]

I always thought those were random, I just keep free hitting when that happens so the phase stops

[quasi kite]

Yeah well I die before that 🤣 🤪 Cause I'm practicing in squire kit

[boreal kindle]

lol just keep practicing, there are youtube tutorials which makes it easy. best advice in killing bosses is to keep calm and focus.goodlucks

[quasi kite]

yeah I just killed him lol.. Your tip helped I just stayed right next to him and hit him in the face and apparently I barely took any damage from the falling rocks lol

[leaden basalt]

hello guys is it normal when im in panther form as druid i always get shot from skeleton crossbowman or archer=?

[idle stag]

nightmare version yes

[dim timber]

So bad https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1l66npm/dark_vision_sdf_diss_track_2025/

[spare void]

Facts.

[idle whale]

yo guys will arena be coming back after tdy?

[leaden basalt]

in normal games with white skeletons i still get shot even if i try to dodge

[idle whale]

💀

[leaden lion]

@zinc sparrow genuine question, do you come from an lncestuous family?

[noble bluff]

This game is boutta die. Sdf should quit being the one to call the shots. He's about to kill his game XD sorry guys, looks like you gotta have two other buds to play with or else you'll be at a disadvantage. No wonder the dev team is leaving xD

[idle whale]

i feel like they're trying to kill it on purpose and pull an exit scam

having less queues is more healthy for the game tho cant lie even tho i was a solo player for my entire playtime of 1k hours

[dreamy pecan]

yo guys u know ho i can reduce the casting time of judgement? like what does it scale with, spell casting speed or action speed?

[timber tide]

THERE IS NO knight available bro ?:p knowlegde help 😉

[noble bluff]

The funny thing is, I had full lobbies on almost every game. He's just using it as a poor excuse and genuinely I hope his game falls to ruin if it aint a scam. He deserves it at this point. After every dumb decision he's made...

[dreamy pecan]

ahh sorry i look for future answers in knight hall, ty

[idle whale]

you forget the fact that there's like 10 different regions

[noble bluff]

I did not. However the 5 regions I did play had full lobbies.

It makes sense some of them wont have full lobbies especially when he keeps changing core mechanics every danm month. Some regions of the world just aren't gonna play a game like this much until it gets very popular

The only time I didnt see full lobbies was on the highest high roller mode. And that makes sense. You just dont see many of em since gear fear is in a lot of people's hearts.

[clear lynx]

Xddddd did they really remove SDFs cooking channel cos of how much everyone was telling him to step down as game lead?

[leaden lion]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1375433683737116713 wdym

[noble bluff]

Honestly that'd be freaking hilarious. He really shouldn't be game lead.

[leaden lion]

but unfortunatelly he is

[clear lynx]

Weird for some reason it’s no there under the different Chanel’s for me….. I got to excited I guess

[noble bluff]

May change soon if the dev team pressures him enough. Or the other option is they'll all leave cause there wont be a job left in that company xD

[warm night]

where can i get the giant toe ?

[noble bluff]

Giants.

[dense pawn]

Does anyone know where to find Giant Spider on ruins/crypts/inferno? I could only find one spot and it's very unreliable

[noble bluff]

Goblin cave. That spot you mentioned is the only one in ruins.

[hardy dawn]

where can i find the cyclopes?

[dense pawn]

I thought so... there is a stupid quest to kill 7 of them on ruins...

[noble bluff]

Check again that must be false...

[noble bluff]

Goblin caves

[dense pawn]

Nope, just classic IM cluelessness

[noble bluff]

Jesus. God speed brave warrior. Im surprised you haven't uninstalled yet xD

[hardy dawn]

this game is very demoralizing if u dont have a team

[noble bluff]

It can be. Id recommend adventure mode

[weak ridge]

Yea idk what they are doing w this game anymore.

[forest arrow]

reward token maybe??

[noble bluff]

Ruining it

[scenic grail]

ICK. No thanks on adventure mode.

[noble bluff]

Adventurer mode is fun if ya wanna just relax and chill, one of the better additions to the game that really brought in a lot of new faces.

[scenic grail]

Its horrid. Bringing ppl into the game whos expectation is a safe dungeon dive is called a cash grab.

[noble bluff]

It allows new players to experience and learn. It wasnt a dlc and was free so why do you think that?

[hardy dawn]

this game is so frustrating man

[noble bluff]

Id honestly recommend uninstalling, the game is about to go into ruin xD

[hardy dawn]

trying to learn a boss for a quest, i either die trying to get there, he's dead when i get there, or i finally get a chance to fight him and someone chad with full artifacts and legendaries comes in at the end and steals the kill

this is my first season playing

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/krXk33LdWj723u-Jf?invite=cr-MSxySjgsMjA4MjQ5OTEx

[bitter citrus]

That's the entire game. Welcome to dad

[manic musk]

this. im sick of feeding all my gear up to high roller 3s. i get in, play 3 rounds of grey gear... die almost exclusively to trios as a solo then get off again. used to play for hours now its no more then 30mins

[bitter citrus]

Soon that full artifact Chad will just be a trio of artifact Chads.

[smoky jetty]

watermap when?

[manic musk]

tell me a single game with a good 'water map' .. they were so lazy they didnt even add a breathe indicator to this game lol

[hardy dawn]

can the fucking chads leave the pve servers to the fucking new players

or make it a solo dungeoun

whats one good reason i have to share the dungeoun

[bitter citrus]

No they are hard at work plowing the gold fields. Gotta make a living somehow.

[unkempt raft]

super mario deluxe? i think it's 2-1

[hardy dawn]

i think when it has me to the point i want to cry its time to uninstall

gg

[noble bluff]

Agreed

[hardy dawn]

so mad i wasted so much time trying to learn this game

[warm night]

in this cruel world of trios what can a solo player play ?

[noble bluff]

Id suggest trying to look up on Google games similar to this

[warm night]

there isnt any

[hardy dawn]

someone needs to make competition to it

[bitter citrus]

There's been games that came out but SDFs army of content creators buried them.

[oak topaz]

This is so needed ong

[hardy dawn]

286hours and im uninstalling. is that a lot?

[unkempt raft]

professionals would say its 285 more than necessary

[hardy dawn]

i want my time refunded. they can keep the money

[subtle heart]

tbh, i wish someone made it into just like Diablo 1. all the assets are there pretty much

[wanton otter]

if u get a time machine lmk

[subtle heart]

maybe Cher can turn back time

[north night]

sheeeeesh 33% positive reviews on steam. Game is plummeting @glad thunder congratulations on the success of your vision

Btw games do not come back from mostly negative reviews, you have to turn it around or else new players will be turned away.

[subtle heart]

only sith deal in absolutes

[hardy dawn]

how are new players supposed to enjoy it? its not solo friendly and theres no way for players to find friends on there. everyone has a different objective

[north night]

by bringing back solos, which is why we review bombed the game lol

[subtle heart]

just 1v3 no auto fill. git gud /s

[north night]

@glad thunder you're still advertising adventure mode on your front steam page. Stop this false advertising bullshit.

[subtle heart]

it's been removed on the test server only

[unkempt raft]

they also market themselves as "a merry band of adventurers"

[north night]

Yea but they've stated their plan is to remove it as with solo/duo. You can't advertise something you're planning to remove. It's like I advertise a game with these features pre-launch but day 0 theres a massive patch that removes them

[vocal turtle]

man i like how they ban you for 3 days because of abnormal detection and says my account it under investigation and its not a final ban but then they also take the entire 3 days to investigate so I just bassically got banned because of bad anti cheat

all that hapenned during that game was my graphics driver failing and ig that triggered the anti cheat

[bitter citrus]

It interfered with their anti cheat using your PC to mine Bitcoin so they had to teach you a lesson.

[vocal turtle]

god this game is testing my patience

[midnight carbon]

SUUUUUUUUUUUUURE

[clever wolf]

Jan.

[vocal turtle]

you wot ? XD

[smoky jetty]

subnautica

[ocean plank]

I miss this guy

it didnt take long for bro

[mossy ridge]

so we all know sorcs are invincible and even encouraged to play (circles close on locations only sorc can get to >XD) as said class on refectory module in arenas

[mossy ridge]

i dont think thats why, ive had the same problem (walls and other environment not rendering in yeah?)

[manic musk]

not multiplayer but good pick

[vocal turtle]

ohh wait yeahh ive had taht

[vocal turtle]

did you get banned for that ?

[earnest current]

IRONMACE create broken class like druid and soccerer and buff them more that they job , i wear fully legendary kit 30% PDR 35% MDR got 2 hit from soccerrer grey long sword only , that call Balance

[edgy void]

No mans sky

[mossy ridge]

nah bro it was just rlly inconvenient

[manic musk]

not even close

[silk mulch]

better fix the game before mistfall releases oce otherwise you done for

[vocal turtle]

game is cooked brother XD

[chrome bloom]

cant

[lusty finch]

Anyone wana buy 100x golden teeth?

[chrome bloom]

So yall keep playing betas and gonna complain when everything is unfinished or unbalanced you goofy 🤣

[manic musk]

what are they even used for

[lusty finch]

Chewing

[mossy ridge]

bro the module i was talking about (refectory) sorc can dash to a spot and not be touched by anyone but can see/kill everyone and if that wasnt enuff they also get 90% of the final circles in places only they can go so

[mossy ridge]

ik it was so primising too

[hoary parcel]

Skill issue I kill everyone im hr while using square stuff

[silver bloom]

3/10 ragebait

[chrome bloom]

Bro saw something on a stream and is using it now to complain

Completly retarted

[hoary parcel]

Especially when ranged damage exists sorc is a joke, dies to 2-3 hits

[limber jolt]

R3tard3d game

[mossy ridge]

hey dumbfvck it happened to me

[hoary parcel]

Hey Ken, where's kami no?

[chrome bloom]

Bro hurted you feelings so much that you gonna complain in a dc chat thats wild and weird behaivor

You prob 20 + crying in a dc grow up instead of being a piggy

[smoky jetty]

stop arguing with each other and rather ague with sdf! Hes our main enemy

[hoary parcel]

Sdf is the savior of this game, none shall make his name shallow 🗡️

[mossy ridge]

lmao nice ragebait

[placid vortex]

when will the next season come out?

[pine roost]

how do you fight with someone on this discord channel when slowmode is turned on

[hoary parcel]

Calculated

[river mango]

new player here, where do i find the golem?

[idle whale]

forgotten castle first lvl

[river mango]

does it just randomly spawn or does it spawn at specific places?

[fleet imp]

Specific places. If you can find a long bridge, there's usually one skulking around...

[river mango]

okay, tysmm for the help!

[hoary parcel]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/Ruins-5x5-02-N

Select golem

[mossy ridge]

theres 2 one on topand one underneath once u break some planks

[river mango]

i'll look, ty!!

[topaz vale]

Just curious can you lose your gear in hell when on PVE or does the goblin merchant bring it back to you?

[real copper]

bring back solos, you're alienating the community and pushing people away from the game

[oak topaz]

The only way to lose gear in pve is by falling into the void

[fickle heart]

what does blocking someone do? I blocked this kid and its still putting me on his team in arena.

[topaz vale]

Alright thanks man! Appreciate it

[lusty finch]

TheBigSuccUwU is esping if there are any active devs

[fickle heart]

having to escape 5 times in order to report a player is just fucking stupid

[tight patio]

If I buy the Seasonal Pack, will I get access to the highroll dungeon?

[fervent anvil]

because saying their name here is gonna do so much more then just reporting them

[lusty finch]

Have reported them in game over past 3 days and that hasn't done anything. So what do you suggest genius?

[fervent anvil]

well yeah. devs dont just ban people when they get caught

[mossy ridge]

wym

[sage terrace]

You need the legendary account upgrade

I think I am just going to queue into normals and find 1v3 fights

[hoary parcel]

Most fun probably

[mossy ridge]

this game is so d0gsh1t

[hoary parcel]

Skill issue

People say they had insane fight all I saw was: attack, block, attack, block
Level of a runescape battle

[floral crescent]

wtf is your problem

[floral crescent]

but runescape battles are insane i like runescape type of fight

[hoary parcel]

It really is nothing special

[median shell]

how come i join arena...from Scandinavia, and I get que`d up with 2 people from Asia ... the entire arena match / lobby lags from here to narnia ... and I could almost not even cast 1 single spell without 2 seconds of delay ...

WTF Ironmace ?? WTF....enough with the cutting corners to save money on EVERYTHING becuse YOU got owned in court for stealing .... JESUS'

[silent mauve]

Hey guys can I take any gear into arena or does it need to be foind by me

[hoary parcel]

Stop playing if you get so upset over it

[hoary parcel]

Any

[silent mauve]

Ty

[delicate tree]

been saying this all they way from hotfix 1.

[past bloom]

Is the Religion timer of 9+ hours the end of the rewards for religion?

[visual grail]

guys what are the best weapons for melee warlock?

[spare void]

I am a new player (solos), 300 hours, where do you want me to play? You boring R-M-T prompter, adventure mode, or just vs OP people?

Ban me for this message, I'm sure you will read this one, unlike the 98798393733 messages from your community asking you to do things right.
I regret every €1 I have given you, you are in absolute decadence

[glacial elk]

removing RARE gear mode was a great idea, i love how i have to choose between playing loot simulator or get killed by RM unique artifact kids lol rofl such a great vision sdf lu

[subtle oxide]

arena queue are boring as fuck, more than 10min, jesus christ this game is fucking dead

[timid sky]

as a casual, the white lobby SF trios for past couple weeks has been a lot of fun. hoping they build on it in some form

[grave hazel]

Any news on a new char ?

[median anvil]

It's the dog from Animal Crossing.

[grave hazel]

Na fr did they say anything ? 😶‍🌫️

[median anvil]

That's what they said, also said theyre removing shoes in the next patch.

[grave hazel]

And adding sandles right ?

[median anvil]

No, bare feet so you can hear the enemies by their foot slapping.

[earnest current]

Buy new kit , get into the dungeon , lag came back almost dead after 3 hit from thanos , then lucky go to second floor and meet china wall hacker chasing me Good game IRONMACE

[oak topaz]

No.
U need to buy legendary status(i dont recommend doing so rn game is bad at the moment)

[earnest current]

game like shtt now dont buy , if you want to try solo and play with hack in HR you can buy

[sage terrace]

What is your rating?

[median anvil]

Once I get my Switch 3 I'm never playing this game again!

[tropic heron]

guys, do you have an inferno's map where shows the locations of abomination, cerberus and dreadspine ? It's for tavern master quest...

[median anvil]

At this point though I would settle for a Gameboy Color.

[past bloom]

Is the Religion timer of 8+ hours the end of the rewards for religion?

[placid trellis]

Expressman is bugged ? he stole me everything

[modest seal]

I need some help rq, I've been stuttering hardcore when fighting mobs. I thought it was my internet but when in pvp i didnt have the same issue

[old latch]

it comes after a while for me

maybe restart the game

[grizzled meteor]

Storm CD also way too short

[placid trellis]

usually yes, but since yesterday i tried a lot of runs and today still nothing

[modest seal]

Ill try it, its just never happened before so im a little worried

[old latch]

[old latch]

i wasnt talking to you

[modest seal]

oh yeah oof

[old latch]

im pretty sure lag is because of servers

[spiral carbon]

oh thats nothing this guy started flying chasing me as barb yesterday lmao im 330mms he was 302 still got me haha

[wraith wigeon]

Why does it take longer to "Transfer Items" based on the amount of gold an item was sold for? This seems like junk software development. Just saying.

[warm rune]

prevent duping, more secure transactions ( there was a dupe in the past) (you are still correct it is junk)

[robust mica]

ded game

[wraith wigeon]

nah they got like a hundred players

[median anvil]

SDF just posted he's making eggplant parmesan for dinner

[foggy plover]

Do you think he burns everything in his real kitchen too?

[tribal hull]

I’m trying to do the quest Echos of Memory and I’m just wondering do I need the certain modifiers on the outfit to complete it?

[short vine]

Havent played in 2 weeks. Did HR Solo get removed?

[subtle heart]

Please bring back gear score middle bracket

[junior wyvern]

sadly it isnt, they seem to retain the same 10k suckers

probably the asian market

[clear citrus]

oh, someone deleted my message

[junior wyvern]

yeah they've cranked up the censorship... full damage control

[oak cliff]

When the next season is going to be released?

[bitter citrus]

Yes but if you look at actual player count only like half are actually playing. Other half are probably bots or farmers working the trades.

[fickle raven]

cant wait till the games good again was best before they added the circle again

[junior wyvern]

cant wait until a real game developer studio takes the concept and actually makes a finished product

[clear citrus]

fair answer

[fickle raven]

its got the same authenticity dayz has. easily saveable. the circle is lame though and wtf on removing solo/duo

[hexed grotto]

is cleric the best hold w char

[clear citrus]

problem is like theres not much new weapons, skills, perks, items, game is still bugged, yet they remove solo duo

[fickle raven]

that is a problem for sure but there was 30k players on the reg before they did those recent changes to align with the "vision"

[clear citrus]

idk honeslty

all they have to do is to listen to community sometimes

[fickle raven]

tbh they had it figured out last wipe just needed more content

[past bloom]

Is the Religion timer of 7+ hours the end of the rewards for religion?

[grand shadow]

Why the hell did the reddit mods delete the post of the guy sharing information on how cheating works? How are people supposed to talk about and reporting cheaters without knowing how it works? Or the devs of this game just want to sweep the problem under the rug?

[shell flicker]

He needs to

[echo bloom]

I was walking my puppy once and I passed SDF on the street. He looked both ways and after he saw nobody was around, he kicked my dog and spit on me. I managed to pick my dog up and through tears I asked him why he would do this to us.

Instead of answering he just pushed me over and told me to give him my wallet. I didn't feel safe, I did as he said. He smiled while he counted my money and started walking away. The last thing I heard him say was "Quiver is coming soon. Easy money.

[opal patrol]

What is enforcer rating?

[wraith wigeon]

the oligarchy

[runic isle]

yeah I was curious as well. Seems like DaD mods try to avoid aknowledging the fact that there are cheaters that have been using cheats for several months and not been banned still

[glad fox]

Play couple normals with random (Cause this game is literally forcing you without other game modes) > get red name cause some noobs are mad about dying on normals and love to spam karma on everyone around > play arena and get info that you are unable to punish actual toxic teamkillers because you are red name. I am absolutely disgusted about every inch of design in this game lately

[mild dove]

When does the new season come out?

[agile shadow]

is it still trios only?

[hearty herald]

Its almost like the game is designed to fail

[deft dirge]

Where is Sdfs kitchen did it get deleted?

[hearty herald]

No youre just blind, its in the Dev tab

[zealous temple]

Swear people been saying the channels gone for a month now like bro it didnt go anywhere 🤣

[deft dirge]

I wish I could ss it but I dont have an SDFs kitchen tab anymore its not there. I only have dev-qna/archives and development which is a way old tab.

[hearty herald]

Is the tab open? Sometimes they dont hide all the tabs properly

[clear summit]

search for it at the top right and click to show it in the list

[deft dirge]

I had to find it by searching. Why tf is it an unlisted channel that I have to readd to the channel list???

[clear summit]

that's the vision baby, obscurity

[severe coyote]

Just a reminder this is the kind of spine the dev team has for working together. This is an actual quote from Grayson in the tavern channel lol

Graysun: We have learned our lesson, and instead of trying to advise him away from what he wants, we will fully support him.

[deft dirge]

How does it make sense for them to push out that theyre gonna talk more to us and then he puts out messages that the community go haywire about and then they unlist the channel that he's still posting in wtf?

[mossy wing]

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1375433683737116713

[abstract stream]

whhy did we ruin such a good game. buddies & i used to be grinders. now this shits for the birds

[severe coyote]

Fitting you’re a big rooster

[clear summit]

idk men, i've giving up the thought that this game isn't essentially a crypto rug pull

[abstract stream]

sad day

@severe coyote dont spit up on yourself defending garbage

[severe coyote]

The moment they dropped the mobile game the goal has been to kill this one, that’s not a coincidence

[severe coyote]

I was meme on your name kiddo, read what I posted before lol

Just a reminder this is the kind of spine the dev team has for working together. This is an actual quote from Grayson in the tavern channel lol

Graysun: We have learned our lesson, and instead of trying to advise him away from what he wants, we will fully support him.

Imagine your team stating publicly they will not advise you lmao

[hoary fog]

guys game is closing out of nowhere without any crash report or error occuring

[severe coyote]

That seems to be the goal of this vision, you must have got the early patch

[tribal plaza]

seriously i cant have joint in my name but "littleboytickler" is ok?!?!?!?!?!

[chrome dragon]

Is the game still dying as per last 12 seasons? Just curious as someone who's taken a break due to lack of real development and reverts etc.

Reddit just complains, sometimes I find helpful info from here.

[civic summit]

wasn't dying fast enough so they took to removing literal entire queues until it's sufficiently dead

[bitter citrus]

Mostly hackers and people earning a living left. No new content. Plenty of reverts and rereverts though

[surreal aspen]

Yeah its dies, but reddit is not a good source. They basically added a lot of useless stuff for redditors to then just remove it

[chrome dragon]

Unfortunate they fumbled here - such a great concept, honestly would love to see better melee / ranged combat version of this game.

There was just no clear vision of the game - rough.

[neat urchin]

had a game the other day where we 3rd partied cyclops and after we killed the team we noticed clops wasnt moving, aggroing or taking damage. he was just sitting there unable to be killed. any clue what causes that?

[bitter citrus]

Known bug that was allegedly fixed.

[chrome dragon]

I still don't understand why they don't just lock down boss rooms on start to avoid people from 3rd partying -- it's basically a sprint fest

[surreal aspen]

If they improved melee and gave some love to already existing classes, this game would have turned out way better

[haughty lagoon]

Do yall think any game devs might make a game like this one after this game dies? i love the idea of it but IM is js throwing it away

[chrome dragon]

I think a game will come out at some point with this as a general concept, but it really needs to be clear on its vision and have a genuine playtest cycle. Instead of the perpetual cash grab for more non-development. It also has to come from people not associated with this game at all.

[surreal aspen]

No, most game devs do not know what made this game special. It was not the theme, it was not because its an extraction game. Its the free, vector-based combat

[bitter citrus]

There's some good ones coming out soon. Just don't listen to the IM sponsored content creators when they start releasing waves of "dad ripoff" videos.

[haughty lagoon]

i just want a game to play that has at least a simular pvp playstyle

[chrome dragon]

Any game at all that is tailored for a better streamer gaming experience is immediately a dead game anyways. They're wanting to make content, not wanting to consume it.

[surreal aspen]

at this point i doubt there is any company that would want to buy it

[haughty lagoon]

imagine like epic games buys it

talk ab throw away a game lmao

they will make it like 1000000x worse

[mossy wing]

What was announced yesterday? I recommend not spreading misinformation.

[chrome dragon]

Honestly, if the creators of Chivalry 2 just took lessons from this game and made their own version. I bet it would be pretty fire.

[surreal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[haughty lagoon]

what happens when the game dies does it like shut down the servers or sum?

[chrome dragon]

Yea exactly that

[haughty lagoon]

oh man

i really love this game too i wish they didnt fuck it up

[surreal aspen]

I havent played chivalry, but from what ive seen. The combat cannot be too complex otherwise it will be a niche game forever. IRONMACE did a really good job because its simple but offers some expression. It just needs little bit of polish

[chrome dragon]

Or they let it run on cost efficiency, basically selling some shit until the sunset with 1-2 devs on staff

Chivs combat really ins't complex, it's skilled expression like this game. But I believe that it has much better blocking mechanisms etc.

[haughty lagoon]

the idea for dark and darker is like perfect game but they messed it up sooooo bad with the lawsuits and just not making the game balance

[chrome dragon]

I do agree though that a middle ground between the two would be the best. I am not a 100% fan of chivs combat, but I think they're closer to the future of it.

The actual gameplay loop of chiv is the killer

[surreal aspen]

You have to remember that we have ranged damage and magic in this game. Its way harder to come up with a good system that integrates both

[chrome dragon]

Yes and no. It may be harder, but it's not take 5 years in playtest hard

[haughty lagoon]

the only reason i liked dark and darker is the pvp playstyle but idk any more games that come close to it anyone know any

[wild bison]

@zinc sparrow is the skill tree going to be seen next wipe or is there a longer eta?

[chrome dragon]

The biggest mistake in this game in my opinion is that they made movespeed such an important factor of it, and PvE while PVPing as an optional play.

It creates way to big of a skillgap and unforgiving for new players. You're either a 6k sweater, or you're sweated on. Not including the constant separation of the playerbase into tiny queues.

[surreal aspen]

coming soon....

[haughty lagoon]

skill tree?

[surreal aspen]

SDF wants this game to have 1v3 possibilities. Then, it wound need a task TTK. How do you balance magic and ranged for that?

[chrome dragon]

Just because he wants a 1v3 possibility, doesn't mean it should exist

[surreal aspen]

Well, he aims for that

[chrome dragon]

Example, yea it's possible if I activate traps or separate people, etc.

But its not a ttk issue, it's a movement speed issue. totally different.

Well, look where the game is at - it's obviously not working

[surreal aspen]

Melee classes would need to be tankier and faster by default

[chrome dragon]

For instance. in league of legends is it possible to 1v3, absolutely. But if everyone is roughly the same gear, same experience, etc is it possible? No

Honestly, they should have done some version of leveling / exp reset every dive. It would give reason to clear bosses. Add a roguelite version of buffs on miniboss or boss kills, give a reason to PvE every run vs chasing timmys

So yes you could bring armor and weapons etc, but gaining exp every run would make a huge difference -- it would keep people out of hell for longer, it would make sense to combine lobbies on going further down etc.

[sage terrace]

Basically, base hp decreasing and gear becoming less powerful addresses many of the class balancing issues

[chrome dragon]

Although elden ring nightrein is a little rough around edges right now, it's got a good loop

[surreal aspen]

Maybe more environment traps and interactions like in Dark Messiah

[chrome dragon]

exactly clefty - make the gear less impactful, and instead have it have unique passives etc on it. Give certain weapons natural bleed, others concussive slows (like blunts) ability to break armor and weapons mid run, and let the main power curve come from actual experience in the run

you would never ever ever see speedrunners to timmys because timmys would be 3-5 levels ahead, getting stats.

[surreal aspen]

Its easier to balance per class than with gear with random modifiers

[chrome dragon]

Exactly.

[sage terrace]

For sure.

But even beyond that, they have made many concessions to try and accommodate the current enhancement system

People really really want it to stay as is, despite if having structural issues.

Commons pvp > Highroller pvp

[chrome dragon]

Like stop enhancing weapons and armor etc. Balance base classes, and have exp curves controlled. This would make a world of difference

Exactly - High roller should allow higher gear, but even then - why isn't it based on gear passives? Like purple gear has 2-3 passives vs 2-3 stats

[surreal aspen]

thats the problem, people get really used to things and get mad when its taken away from them

[chrome dragon]

That's not the problem - catering to people without any understanding of game design is the problem

[surreal aspen]

I dont blame them tho because sdf didnt show anything at all that would be a replacement for random modifiers xd

[chrome dragon]

People get mad, leave for a season, and come back because they're addicted

[sage terrace]

Wellll

[surreal aspen]

I think most people would comback if this game developed something interesting

[chrome dragon]

^

[sage terrace]

Yeah more or less. People are here for the dopamine hits.

[chrome dragon]

Correct. The best dopamine hits are about picking up buffs, loot, etc.

And the people who are being left right now are the people who are getting dopamine hits from ruining another persons run

[sage terrace]

Yep.

[chrome dragon]

And those people are just not good (Great example is hackers - they get dopamine from ruining peoples experiences)

I about died laughing when SDF said hackers are forgiven 9 times. before they're banned

[surreal aspen]

i think that was about abusing a glitch but yea xdd'

[sage terrace]

Well rpgs have a huge power fantasy component to them. People get to have sort of embodied experiences as dudes in plate mail or guys with bows two shooting casters or whatever.

[chrome dragon]

It's the same thing but different

[surreal aspen]

they said you can get another account if you are banned for cheating so w/e

[bitter citrus]

What you guys are describing is pretty much the gear system from dungeonbore. Stat rolls were inconsequential. Passives were what people built kits for. Stats were mostly just to get you even more passives.

[sage terrace]

So cheating in pvp contexts plays further into whatever power fantasy the game provides.

[chrome dragon]

Yea but putting the emphasis on reset exp on each run is what really makes a huge difference.

[surreal aspen]

too bad dungeonborne had trash combat and movement thats why it failed

[chrome dragon]

^^^^

[sage terrace]

There is tension between having effective anti cheat and retaining the players who are cheating.

[bitter citrus]

No it failed because of lack of updates and removing solos.

[chrome dragon]

If you're going to have a F2P game, you need to 100% have anti-cheat to be a center point

[bitter citrus]

The combat and movement was fine.

[surreal aspen]

It had worst combat of all dad clones we had so far. Why do you need updates if the core gameplay loop is good? Dad barely had any meaningful updates yet ppl still play it excessively

[sage terrace]

Well it all plays into the secondary market. Im sure the venn diagram of cheaters and gold farmers is almost a perfect circle

[chrome dragon]

Totally agree

[bitter citrus]

Combat was great on DB. It was just slower and more complex than the w key fps style of dad.

[sage terrace]

Even beyond gold farmers, im sure cheating in extreme highroller premades has some dollar value associated with it.

[surreal aspen]

With the scope of this game it would totally be doable to prevent a huge chunk of cheating by manual moderation

[chrome dragon]

Agreed

[surreal aspen]

yeaah, totally 😛 it had more qol and stuff added than dad yet it kept on losing players super fast

[chrome dragon]

Well - unlucky overall. I hope they enjoyed their 15 minutes of fame. I have 0 faith that anything will change. Good luck in the dungeons everyone!

[sage terrace]

There are effective cheat tools out there. There is probably a lot of leeway baked into the anti cheat. Like letting people get away with up to 10 instances of cheating

[bitter citrus]

Surely didn't have to do with every IM sponsored content creator making "dad ripoff" videos giving the same 30 mins playtime take you are giving now.

Imagine being able to break blocks with heavy attacks in dad. They'd have to figure out how to make blocking work first.

[surreal aspen]

there is no IM sponsored creators, the nda wasnt paid. Also, if the game is good then people will play it. Simple as

[sage terrace]

Yeah but blocking not functioning is a byproduct of when hit boxes become active

[chrome dragon]

Shu there are definitely IM sponsored creators.

[surreal aspen]

Yeah like sodapoppin and some randoms who dont play this game regularily

[sage terrace]

I don't actually know how that would be fixed on a technical level

[chrome dragon]

@sage terrace - it starts from modifying the UE assets they're purchasing to have the hitboxes match closely to the visuals

[tall pagoda]

3k player base great game

[chrome dragon]

And stop throwing a million skins in the game

[bitter citrus]

True. I guess IM would have to figure out how to fix hitboxes before figuring out how to have a functional block mechanic.

[sage terrace]

Because on paper you need them to become active and inactive at different times. Physically if you are colliding with another physics object and start an attack animation, those hit boxes can become active while clipped into another physics object which is how attack bypass blocking I think

[surreal aspen]

I like how sdf kept saying they cant fix blocking because its "desync" and is out of their power xd

[chrome dragon]

It is not desync -- great example go look at rocket league, much harder physics, and accomplished in UE3

[sage terrace]

Well, apparently a lot of net code is actually based on predictive modeling

[bitter citrus]

True true. Can't sort out hitboxes if they can't get past clipping.

[chrome dragon]

There are no physics in the game that are faster than rocket league in this

[sage terrace]

So the game has to simulate like different instances of playerlocation and other physics objects concurrently. So what is presented on the screen is like an apoeximation of player location /actions based on the modeling

[bitter citrus]

Sounds like they need to get Clefty in there.

[sage terrace]

Well in like fps, you dont have to worry about physical objects with lingering hit boxes pushing through another object to deal damage because most of the guns are hitscan

I imagine most other games are not having to deal with these specific technical issues

[chrome dragon]

Again look at rocket league as an example. I think it's the best example for them to copy for physics rendering

Are their imperfections? of course, but not at the scale of DAD

[bitter citrus]

On the other hand, many fps games have projectiles, dynamic surfaces that will allow pen based on the surface or ammo type or both.

[chrome dragon]

^

[sage terrace]

I think the car has much simpler rigging though yeah?

[chrome dragon]

Yes no.

I can give you another example, elden ring

[sage terrace]

I am speculating

[surreal aspen]

except for tarkov-like games

[chrome dragon]

The phyusics happening in RL are actually pretty wild

Because the ball alone is a projectile object, and not including all of the physics additioned content that exists between the interaction of 6+ cars simultaneously

[sage terrace]

For sure, but even bullets are just projectiles with drop and different qualities as opposed to a dude with a weapon that becomes active for x frames and has all the positional math shit

[chrome dragon]

Each swing isn't different. And honestly Dad should have 100% included movement lock in swings

Like why can someone 360 swing a longsword

[surreal aspen]

whats the downside of having it active at all times (except for performace)

so weapons would clash etc

[chrome dragon]

more clunkiness for people. Example, not being able to pass people in hallways etc

Also, the more active physics you have at one point puts strain on the engine

One of the reasons that resolution has become a focus in UE5

[grim flax]

I leave for 2 weeks and this company has basically shut down xFD what a game company

[chrome dragon]

@grim flax - you didn't hold the line hard enough for them

[potent canopy]

Its bcos inventory guy left

[grim flax]

Ill take my L better than Ironmace will

[chrome dragon]

1000000%

I seriously never pre-buy games anymore nor invest in early access because of stuff like this

I honestly think there needs to be more regulation on promises etc made to consumers of video games

[surreal aspen]

nah, tbf 30$ was worth it

it was fun while it lasted

[chrome dragon]

maybe for you, but not for everyone who was promised something different than what they were delivered

[grim flax]

for the carnival front row seats? 1000000% worth the 30

[chrome dragon]

I also agree, but doesn't change my stancve

It's like saying you're buying a table saw for 50% off, got a miter saw instead. Did it do the job? Yes, but I didn't buy a miter saw

[visual grail]

halberd or hwei for melee warlock build guys? any recommendation?

[sage terrace]

Ah kkk.

I think some kind of turn speed quality on players would have helped a lot

[chrome dragon]

It would have made melee more compelling. Like if i'm swinging, I can't just turn and sprint away after a massive longsword

It would make classes like rogue more viable without stealth

[sage terrace]

It would add more strategic depth for sure.

[waxen wadi]

magical power multiplies magical healing, also druid's lifebloom aura adds an additional 1 hp to all healing. so with 4 healing per tick and lifebloom aura you'd get 5 healing. also by chance were you a warlock? if you have vampirism, you'd multiply the druids healing by an additional 20%.

[chrome dragon]

And for magic, it would have been a lot easier to mitigate magic damage by changing the spells they chose, and adding magic resistant fighters with repel, like paladins etc

If you can block arrows, you should be able to counterspell

(If they're taking D&D as source for most of this, like - it's one of the top spells)

[waxen wadi]

that's the best part, you don't. it doesn't scale with casting or action speed, at least not according to the wiki anyways. I imagine that if it would scale with anything it'd be both action speed (for the hand animation) and casting speed (for the channeling), but the wiki doesn't mention anything about that so I doubt it scales with either.

[azure mesa]

anyone know the stats of the dummies? i wanna test some kits

[lean trench]

please make the game hardcore again this stat-check-a-thon is dumb as fuck and just makes it feel like call of duty

[lofty sun]

does the -200% dark damage reduction for cave troll mean it takes more damage from dark magic sources

[azure mesa]

yes

[scenic tusk]

no I was on cleric

and my friend was on fighter

[silk egret]

so game is dying devs wont lissen community ?

[scenic tusk]

the amount of healing was completely ridiculous it was like, about as much healing as sanctuary

[lime pine]

Bruh, that's literally what people called 'hardcore' during the early days, where they can build 95% PDR and steam roll everyone in the dungeon.

[waxen wadi]

330 ms bear is hard core lol

[lime pine]

Pretty hardcore according to the vision

[sage terrace]

Hey bear isn't thar crazy

I chain blocked 1 with a buckler

[lofty sun]

no? max is 75% with the fighter skill, 65% without

[waxen wadi]

I still can't wait to see someone build the 68 magical healing 65% pdr tm lock. 15 hp per tick with 65% pdr would be unkillable

[sage terrace]

Rogue could stab them to death.

[lime pine]

Boy you weren't here at the start were you?

[lofty sun]

nah

[waxen wadi]

left or right click? left click is just better right now if you have about 8.5% action speed

[lime pine]

People could build 500billion true damage or 95% pdr etc. etc. game was wild. No idea why people keep saying old days were better.

[leaden shell]

The old days were better because the Marketplace wasnt a factor

[waxen wadi]

honestly uncapped stats wouldn't be so bad if you have to find them yourself

[lime pine]

Ok, fair point. But to be honest, if they implemented marketplace better, and simplify the gearing system, the game would be 10 times better.

[waxen wadi]

key word is simplify, not remove

[lime pine]

They are probably not removing, but is communicating this so poorly that everyone think that way.

[leaden shell]

It was simplified, in the trading post

Either that or limit it to epic only being able to be sold. You want a Unique +3 AA kit? Go find it

[lime pine]

And that's why R*T was so popular back then. Boy I heard from someone that they paid the down payment just by doing the You know what

[sage terrace]

I think it's right click, the rear up and slam?

[leaden shell]

I dont know what, whats RT?

[lime pine]

The thing that you aren't suppose to mention, the unspeakable term.

[waxen wadi]

yea right click is really easy to block, even with action speed, from my experience it's pretty situational

[leaden shell]

DM it to me please, I have no idea what youre talking about

[waxen wadi]

I like to compare bear to double axe, you don't really see people using the double axe right click for the same reason

[lime pine]

R*T, but with a M in between... I thought it's quite straight forward.

[leaden shell]

I have no clue man, I dont even know what SSF means even though I keep seeing it getting thrown around

[waxen wadi]

solo self found

[lime pine]

Google it, I don't think you are suppose to talk about these thing in the discord, IM really don't like people talking about it, but banning these things in game is another matter lol

[clear pendant]

You know that good players had dedicated traders? Others had to spend 50% of the played time only to the trade chanel for picking good gear, that was disgusting

[waxen wadi]

yeah rat* is against the rules to talk about here

[leaden shell]

Ahhhh, thats what this damn game needs. No marketplace, just finding stuff. My hot take at least

... Are you serious? Thats against the rules?

[waxen wadi]

talking about it looks like advertising it, also not stopping us from talking about it looks like supporting it

[lime pine]

Everything is against the rule, try using the funny man with make up emoji

[clear pendant]

Only ssf is terrible, forces you to do pve especially if you play rare builds

[left pendant]

is there a quest line for gold coin chest? if so which one is it?

[leaden shell]

Well... Alright I guess

[molten marlin]

im fine with that to remove the problem region

[lime pine]

SSF is not terrible with current gem system tbh, but it does not help with gear discrepencies, as a matter of facts, it makes it worse.

[wraith wigeon]

I'm just not finding the human remains in blood prisons. where very specifically are they?

[waxen wadi]

wouldn't be so bad if they let us buy from vendors, and enabled crafting non unique gear

[waxen wadi]

have you tried pvp? pvp lets me find lots of human remains 🩸 🔪

[wraith wigeon]

lol, I mean for the quest. I'm looking all over the place on the floor in blood prisons.

[clear pendant]

You would face insane unique guys who wont lose because they have insane gear gap but also u cant buy gems

Good luck fighting for those piles against pvp chads that dont need market

[lime pine]

That's what I'm talking about. The idea is fun, until someone got the unkillable BiS, and start wiping lobbies.

[spiral carbon]

fr

[waxen wadi]

that's why unnatural teaming was allowed. but then they banned it so nvm...

[leaden shell]

What does the Chronicles of the Cursed Crown book do for me?

[analog lantern]

When is the new wip?

[clear pendant]

U will also make pvp less interesting once you have pages and pages of useless gear that you wont play because you play one or two characters only

[lime pine]

You can't just allow 'unnatural teaming' for people with gear. I had seen people wearing bis teaming up with timmies in solo too, they should had just made the balancing better, and actually implement these bans.

[burnt quiver]

quest item, or 250 g

[lime pine]

That is fair, haven't thought about that.

[blazing sparrow]

when is the next season start?

[surreal aspen]

probably in 1.5 - 2 months

[lime pine]

If only they can finalize the water map, add the monk class, make new weapon, implemented gathering hall, and make balancing adjustment according to trios in 2 months.

I'd give them maybe a year, then the next wipe would actually come. Otherwise we will get another half baked patch.

[leaden shell]

Its impossible to mind your own business in this game

[surreal aspen]

the only thing we will get from that is water map at best (which i am against)

[lime pine]

Yeah, I have no idea why they want to add water map either. The ice cavern is clearly a flop... I doubt more than 5% of the player actually liked playing in that map.

All they had to do is play it safe and make something SIMPLE and COMPLETE. Which they are never capable of doing.

[analog lantern]

I liked it when we didn’t have the market place. It was fun for weeks

[surreal aspen]

We dont need more maps. The only thing that can save this is making 2 maps playable at the time. Crypts + 1 cycling map with events. But knowing IM they wont implement it

for example 1 week you get ice cavern as secondary map and you get unique quests and rewards for playing it, maybe increased drop rate for artifacts etc

[vernal badger]

It was fun cause the game was new, but I dont want to spend 30min between games trying t build a kit.

[lime pine]

I think what you liked is that everyone was pretty much incompetent in the game, and people generally sweats a lot less....

[surreal aspen]

with gear being weaker you would not even need marketplace, ssf would be doable for everyone

[lime pine]

There's like 200 ways to make this game better, but they seems to lack the productivity to make any of it happen.

[vernal badger]

I get ur point but no stat gear is gonna be terrible. Makes market place not needed but takes the fun out of the game imo

[cold coral]

bro there is 4k players, out of which 2k is bots ... like its alrdy over dude

[surreal aspen]

You can keep some stats but maybe limited to one roll, there is a lot of ways you can weaken it but not make it boring. Also with skill trees and character development there could still be satisfying progression

[vernal badger]

Yea, that's not gonna be for me.

[surreal aspen]

I think gear being the only endgame is a mistake, im pretty sure you would enjoy the game regardless if there way alternatives to it

[sly leaf]

They made gear the end game goal. (best Kit) take that away what is the end goal to the game?

[lime pine]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I swear, even if they implemented a battle pass, the game would be more fun than the current end-game.

[median anvil]

Just waiting to get my Switch 3 so I never have to play this game again.

[vernal badger]

I dont want to only play trios and I like making builds that are not meta work by using gear with certain stats. Unfortunately I will prob just go back to WoW next wipe until I find something that scratches that itch.

[lime pine]

POE1 new season looks really fire though, might as well try that.

[glad stone]

cya boys, I'm uninstalling. crap game.

[vernal badger]

Gluck in ur ventures

[surreal aspen]

cya in few weeks

[median anvil]

Seriously think game is dead. Sitting in norms queue with no match. Nobody on discord.

[potent roost]

How do you choose which exact thing to deliver to a quest if I have multiple stuff that can go in, like weapons, etc

[surreal aspen]

take them to your inventory and it will highlight them

[inner egret]

The game is dead

It’s been in a complete free fall for 2 weeks

[median anvil]

Why do they have to do this to the game? Just revert pre patch 69 so it can be fun again.

[wind gazelle]

you dont, you have to understand this is very complex problem to solve and might be removed in the future.

[surreal aspen]

They could revert it for now to retain some players, but the game was dying either way. The only thing that can save it is to make drastic changes

[lime pine]

tbh, I'm still amazed that there have been 13% positive rating on steam after the Trio only patch. 3% is overrated.

[vernal badger]

Hr is almost insta q

[left basin]

Due support tickets even get answered

[median anvil]

They're making those but it seems to be going nowhere.

[vernal badger]

Yes but its 3 to 4 days

[left basin]

okay thank you

[inner egret]

Just because you can instantly get into a lobby doesn’t mean anything

There’s continuous dungeons

[potent roost]

Okay funny guy. Thanks for helping out.

[surreal aspen]

yeah, i can only cope that there is some bigger thought behind it already

[fringe granite]

Even if they revert the changes now, they’ve already lost the trust that they won’t just remove it again and remove solos and duos.

[sly leaf]

They broke there player base i don't think there is much they can do.

[potent roost]

Thanks

[vernal badger]

Just saying if u want to play and not sit in q in normals u can get in a game fast

[median anvil]

What if they released my first male pregnancy doll?

[inner egret]

Very helpful and insightful thank you bro

[lime pine]

Bruh, is mind or goblin triggering the automod? I swear the sensitivity in this server is turned up to 200%

[inner egret]

Yeah it is there’s a lot of filters

You can’t say most insults

We’ve acted like children and they treat us as such

[lime pine]

I'm not even trying to curse, but ok.

[modern vessel]

am I the only one to have some roll back in eu serv ?

[lime pine]

You mean rubberbanding? They reintroduced this legacy feature after the patch, people really been missing it since the early days.

[blazing bear]

Hi. How to find human remains ? Does they spawn in adventurer mode?

[desert orchid]

rly loving the - 80 marketplace slots account wide

takes forever to get any money unless ur selling giga bis in every slot

[lime pine]

Meh, who cares, nothing is selling anyway.

[silver smelt]

You should be happy you have more than 10

[oak topaz]

No.
Human remains unique rarity so i don't think so.
U find em in blood prison in the riuns

[modern vessel]

no

[inland walrus]

@fleet imp we can't join our session. We DCed mid game. It says match is currently in progress then won't connect. And it's in a loop now

[modern vessel]

the servers are laggy

[inland walrus]

No we got disconnected now we can't join at all. I can't even get to the main screen now because the game is trying to reconnect me to a match where the server crashed

[silver smelt]

Yes

[tender bramble]

hey

[inland walrus]

@zinc sparrow @fleet imp @rancid lichen@oblique isleit's been about 20-25 mins since the beginning of the session and we got DCed mid game. Now and we can't join the session or get to the main screen because it is stuck in a loop trying to connect us to the match.

[rocky violet]

Nexon was wronged. Irondong killed Dark and Darker.

[tender bramble]

bro, your gear is gone

say a prayer, and grind solo fills into trio to get the ante

common gear limit btw

you got this bro

[rocky violet]

My favorite part is getting a bunch of cool blue gear and then being forced into high roller. 20 seconds into a match a 330ms warlock with catice appears.

[modern vessel]

no

[sonic maple]

Force close?

[sonic maple]

Which server? I'll hunt him

[fervent anvil]

have you tried not joining the session thats very clearly finished?

[chilly yew]

SDF FIX YOUR FRICKCKING GAME

[silver smelt]

You should be happy SSF won't happen again 😎

[chilly yew]

i like ssf

@glad thunder sell your company and let someone fix the game , i hope you lose your law suit

[silver smelt]

Me 2
But SDF didn't like it because his Chinese investors could not make money during this period(Real 💸 trad.ing)

[restive sand]

SDF +1 Sick game trios is fine tbh

[chilly yew]

sdf is trying to ruin the game because he knows hes gonna lose the law suit

[dire heron]

Lol lil timmy still in here earning his paycheck

[limber jolt]

No the game is crap now he is right to revolutionize it. Now it's a paradise for no-lifers with no skills looking for a free kill simply thanks to a bugged equipment and zero personal skill.

[restive sand]

im about to pop a molly and a 7oh bruh

[dire heron]

Trash

[restive sand]

may as well to fet

[blazing bear]

i just found it in adventurer mode

[visual grail]

demon warlock build streght right? also what are the best weapons to bring as melee demon warlock?

[silver smelt]

🥄

[visual grail]

yes?

[proven bobcat]

where is ppl in SA server? i want to change server... omg

[fickle heart]

anyone want some OG character names i have a bunch and im quitting

[oak topaz]

Cool so quest items rarity doesn't get affected by modes loot cap.
Ty for the info

[atomic condor]

only if you have BarbaraManatee

[surreal aspen]

no bro, trust. This game will be fire again

[fickle heart]

I got GPU, wya, Equalizer, Shave, Transport and Capper

[last acorn]

What does the ghost king damage based on range mean?

[eager mulch]

Na bro demon lock u want HP/DEX/MOVESPEED/PDR

[visual grail]

not strength? eh

[coral shard]

why are there no solo maps? did they get removed?

[eager mulch]

Strength is nice to have but not the focus, u want to hit as mant times as possible for the blood exchange skill on demon lock, and u want hp and pdr

[gusty birch]

Aside from only white lobbies for not legendary persons, there is really not much to crying about. Im myself start looking at stats with 10% barb roar slow patches... Like 12 k before, 14 k few days after... Annnd then people realise its not fun playin an online game with such class disbalance (like barbs aint treat rogues like threat at all)...
But hey, if you look a little futher, current BIS gemming looking like pre-wipe madness on Fallout 2 online servers. They just give it to us so we can realise its a dead end too. Without random modifiers ,we can have Ultima-online early Eras experience , "Superior Accurate" Kryss "of might" and other fair-balanced prefixes on items as an alternative. Durability on items, so you can repair it while damagin max Dur. Also skill three and go on.. Im somehow sure we'll find way out

[visual grail]

ohhh, i got it, thank you for letting me know, so more dex/hp/ms and pdr, tysmm

[visual grail]

also could you recommend me some weapons to use?

[glass silo]

Demonlock ass

[visual grail]

should i even bring plate armor with plate armor passive?

[glass silo]

Eh sure

Use chapel and light gaunlet for movespeed

[teal sorrel]

Plays highroll: first enemy encounter 1 ranger with artifact + full unique set = 2 arrow dead

[pallid dust]

Does dungeon recovery not work when dying to the void in frost abyss?

[lime pine]

No.

[pallid dust]

Damn, wish I knew that before I took my 30k gear down there to troll around with wyvern and got yeeted into the void.

[trail relic]

So we just cool with every single game someone having esp and running down every team in artis?

[lime pine]

Start streaming on twitch, so your report become valid.

[trail relic]

Like we just got wiped by a team, and then they b lined to another team across the map, 3 rooms away.

[trail relic]

Why? If there’s 5k players and 2k of them are hackers, you think they’re gonna ban 50% of the player base? Just fat 15 year olds who can’t play without hacks

[teal sorrel]

Bro the game is almost dead dont even bother xD

[lime pine]

Cause if you aren't streaming, your report does not matter.

[trail relic]

With how little players there are, it doesn’t matter if I’m god. They said they don’t ban people who do it less then 10 times anyway

[waxen badger]

yo when i wanted to migrate my account it kicked me out of the game as soon as it showed me my migration key and then when i reopened the game from epic games it said my account has already been migrated?

[gleaming blade]

anyone tryna run HR?

[waxen badger]

yo when i wanted to migrate my account it kicked me out of the game as soon as it showed me my migration key and then when i reopened the game from epic games it said my account has already been migrated?

[gleaming blade]

anyone?

[coral shard]

do u lose ur gear when u die?

[reef walrus]

yes

[visual grail]

you do

[wooden kelp]

is solo not a thing anymore?

[coral shard]

all of it?

D:

[lime pine]

Currently only PvE have recovery, since you can't bring in anything in normal dungeon.

[hasty ore]

any idea how to fix teh "Checking Network" issue?

seems it wants me to select region but the select server button no longer exists..

[visual grail]

what are the weapons i should bring as demon warlock? crystal sword or normal strenght weapon like hweihander, halberd or bardiche?

[glass silo]

Crystal sword is good as its fast

Like bruh just go melee warlock, much better than demon 🗣️🔥

[lime pine]

With all these barbs running around... Crystal sword lock seems irrelevant...

[visual grail]

should i bring vampirism perk for demon warlock?

[visual grail]

well it seems cool to me :3

like really really cool, also i want to play offmeta build (atleast strong but not many ppl use)

[glass silo]

I used to be just like u lmao, built a kit to try it out in arena. Was fun until u reach like 2k and its all kite team comp

[visual grail]

yea i got kite most of the time, but its fun

[glass silo]

For my kit i build mostly movespeed and action speed, 320 movespeed weapon out

[visual grail]

i also play with my friends so i want to build some good frontliner (not barb or cledric tank ofc)

[lyric grove]

Can we get rid of random queu being able to have mutliple of the same class now that we have removed most queus. If i face double or triple warlock 1 more time in arenas im going to off myself

[visual grail]

i may try hweihander, cuz its a little faster than halberd and bardiche, lower dmg but its aoe most of the time

[barren ingot]

Can’t beat em join em

[visual grail]

but should i actually bring vampirism? 20% magical healing, idk if i actually do any magical dmg tho, beside a little from demon form

[lyric grove]

I have 1.5 k hours on fighter tho

[glass silo]

I see, u can try crystal sword with max true dmg ( phys or magic is fine ), put movespeed roll on everythin, buff duration is good but its kinda bad now as the attribute is not as good as last season, action speed is a must, go for like 25 to 30 for the crystal sword

[lime pine]

Too complicate for them to implement, give it a year or two, will probably have a que base on classes.

[barren ingot]

And? My statement still stands

[lyric grove]

I dont cast i dont wanna cast i wanna murder casters

[unkempt raft]

FUCK CASTERS
FUCK RANGERS TOO

[lime pine]

Why are you playing fighter then? Just to suffer?

[lofty sun]

love not being able to punish teamkillers if I leave a match

[lyric grove]

The second monk is in the game i will punch casters to death

[glass silo]

Im not sure if it makes that much of a different but it doess help your potion and blood exchange skill i guess

[unkempt raft]

IF YOURE NOT USING MELEE ONLY, YOUR PARENTS DONT TALK TO YOU

[barren ingot]

We’ll play a better class. Fighter has been very mid for a long time

[visual grail]

it help my potion? wahhh

[lime pine]

Mid? Name one class that is worse than fighter

[barren ingot]

Bard

[lime pine]

Counter point, shriek

[barren ingot]

Don’t get hit by it simple

[glass silo]

Zwei is fun yes but a bit slow when holdin it xd, might not be able to chase ppl but good range and aoe. Just build a kit and try it with every weapon haha

[lime pine]

But yeah, idk why they gutted the whole buff the team thing for bard, that's literally the only purpose.

[glass silo]

Yea, just a lil bit lmao

[visual grail]

i will, tysm, btw are you Vietnamese? i'm sorry if im wrong

[glass silo]

I am

[sly leaf]

100% true

[barren ingot]

See I wasn’t wrong lmfao

[lofty sun]

do all the work on killing cyclops just for teammates to kill me for the loot

[lime pine]

Fair

[visual grail]

dont trust anyone even your teamate in game, i learnt that after 2 weeks of playing this game

[barren ingot]

They must be bad considering cyclops is the easiest boss in the game

[lime pine]

Normal or HR? I mean if you are bossing in normal... might as well do it in PvE

[devout surge]

Please give me royal simple gold bangle this round thats all i ask rn

[elfin zodiac]

can someone craft a spear of rot for me

[lime pine]

Wish granted, now you will have all the royal gold bangles you want, but everytime you pick it up, a barb will magically spawn in front of you.

[elfin zodiac]

can provide mats and will pay

[barren ingot]

Just buy leggo that’s Bis if it’s for arena

[elfin zodiac]

leggo?

[barren ingot]

Legendary

[median anvil]

Everyone plays 1 map (ruins) because they intetionally destroyed goblin caves to force ppl off. Now everyone plays the lesser evil (ruins). I'm sure hallway hell version of GC that no one plays is really going to draw customers in. Like why not just reinstate old GC. No one plays the hell they turned it into , so wtf leave it there? It's like intentionally sabotaging your own game. They have to know it's empty...no one queues for it...wtf keep it!? It's insane.

[elfin zodiac]

okay

[sage terrace]

I like Goblin caves. I dont know how it was better

[quasi juniper]

yo what is up with GK? did they just buff him recently cause why is he double screaming doing all my hp

[visual grail]

Great, well this is my kit, chapel de fer for hat, warden outfit for armor, loose trouser for pants, light gaunlet for hand and adventure boots for feet, should i change anything for my warlock demon build? maybe adventure boots for lightfoot boots i guess?

[lime pine]

There's like 500 systems that they kept in the game while being out dated, just to name a few:

• The 'skill tree' page, now used for token redeeming.
• The Dungeon recovery for normal dungeon.
• The class fighter.

[glass silo]

Eh sure xd, just build each piece first and see what ya lackin afterwards.

[visual grail]

i will, ty

[glass silo]

Haha hope u have a good time with the kit

[visual grail]

ty :3

[dire heron]

So havent played since the change is it actually true that free to play players cant use any gear they find anymore

[barren ingot]

Google it

[severe coyote]

Just a reminder this is the kind of spine the dev team has for working together. This is an actual quote from Grayson in the tavern channel lol

Graysun: We have learned our lesson, and instead of trying to advise him away from what he wants, we will fully support him.

[dire heron]

Hmm must be true or you would have just said no hope you have unpeed cheerios tomorrow

[barren ingot]

Stop being poor and just buy the game then

[severe coyote]

Hogg strikes me as a guy that works the drive thru but calls people poor online with no basis

[dire heron]

Lol ive had the game since playtest 2 man ragebaiters out on mass huh

[unkempt raft]

spoken from experience, nice

[median anvil]

Why would he buy the game? It's a disaster.

[barren ingot]

If you went back to the start of time and reviewed every single change that this game has endured, you’d notice how many circles they do. We won’t do this but then a week later do that exact thing. Or test + all attributes like 7 times and still end up removing it. It’s so bad and so much time wasted

[soft goblet]

guys who's handling anti-cheat in ironmace?

[dire heron]

He the latest rage baiter that hasnt been muted by the whole chat yet

[median anvil]

i see

[barren ingot]

Yet you’re here asking about free to play? You might of played the playtest and that’s about it by the sounds of it

[severe coyote]

So let the biggest goof make all the decisions with zero advisement, sounds like a good team.

[barren ingot]

I put my life on this. If SDF was not apart of the dev team, this game would be flourishing

[dusky gyro]

Game shoulda been trio only from the start. Shoulda never catered to whiny socially inept kids

[severe coyote]

Well when those players are 2/3 of your playerbase. They’re not the problem

[barren ingot]

Yea you better delete that buddy

[dusky gyro]

The player base is only that way due to years of attempting to balance the game after adding solos and duos. Most the serious trio gamers have left because of the flip flop changes

[barren ingot]

That’s got nothing to do with it at all. SDF is the big problem here with conflicting interests

[dire heron]

Lol read before you reply i said i havent played since the changes and asked a simple yes or no question you are the one who is raging all over chat just go play another game like someone with a healthy self esteem

[coral shard]

can i change the server i play in? somehow

[barren ingot]

Or you know, do a quick google like every other normal person instead of being lazy and spamming multiple channels because no is replying to you. That could work too 😂

[dire heron]

Hmm dont come into this game disscussion with questions about this game oh god what was i thinking

[barren ingot]

Yea I agree, what were you thinking

[dire heron]

Lol what a angry lil one you are

[barren ingot]

I’m actually laughing at you tbh. Quite the opposite

[dire heron]

If you say so

[barren ingot]

🤣🤣

[dire heron]

They were on the downfall and made a change to get more players then disgarded those players and are in the hole again smells like failer in this kitchen

[vapid flicker]

Games ded devs are stupid

[hearty herald]

I think we can all agree no matter if you think trios only is good or adding solo/duos back... SDF is a garbage dev and the downfall of this game is on him

[desert lark]

I wanna play solos i hate playing trios had this guy just wait for me to open chest and look them

[hearty herald]

Yeah, randos will steal your loot

[ebon parrot]

fairly new player ish here, started this season. how do I find out when the wipe happens?

[jolly crane]

guys why is my merchant interaction slow

like i buy the item and two second lat er it pops up

[fallen shuttle]

You can't even report people for teamkilling you lmfao and you force trios? Grow a couple braincells

[humble canopy]

KEEP ARENA OPEN

[hearty herald]

There is no point playing with randoms, many vowed to just do nothing but team kill even though you cant keep their kits

[ember stirrup]

sdf watches mommy rp asmr

[zenith summit]

good for him(?)

[warm sun]

no

[zenith summit]

no?

[humble canopy]

KEEP ARENA OPEN

[barren musk]

i got internetspeed 1000mb when i open dark and darker im only getting 5mb so my background like youtube or discord laggs super hard anyone knows why and how?

[unique iron]

Tell me, what's the point of preventing a person from killing a hairol wyvern without touching it yourself? Why do that?

[sage terrace]

Did someone habe a question

[sage terrace]

Could be chrome or other programs using bandwidth, Could be your isp throttling during peak hours ect

[sage terrace]

NOOO keep arena temporary

[humble canopy]

give me one logical reason why

[sage terrace]

Arena's might not be a feature they want to support. @humble canopy

boom, flawless victory

[humble canopy]

lol you see the spike in playerbase when arena opens, then the immediate drop off when it closes?

[sage terrace]

does an elo matchmaking system add to the game, yes/no, is it something worth balancing around yes/no ect

[frank path]

Yo i havent played in a long time. what Class should i try out and get good at rn. i used to main fighter but wanna try some else

[desert orchid]

When did they change "Armor rating" to "Additional armor rating" does anyone remember?

[limber badge]

barb

[sage terrace]

It might even accelerate in dungeon meta strategy development and optimization

[desert orchid]

barbs busted and broken rn club and round shield

[frank path]

whats so good about barb rn? or like why is it good

[leaden lion]

Good dmg good survivability good duel potential good sustain good movement speed good cc

[desert orchid]

massive hp pool and usually phys reduction + iron will so they get free magic resist too and its rly hard to 3rd party them since morale boost will instantly give a 3rd of their entire hp bar back which is probably 40+ hp

also their skills are extremely good

savage reduces enemy ms by 15 so they cant kite and they also deal way less phys dmg

also potion chugger makes prots stronger and basically upgrades grey heals into like greens or blues or smth

[gritty crescent]

best perks for rogue?

[desert orchid]

Doublejump/PoisonWeapon/Jokester are 3 u can never go wrong with, last 1 up to prefrence and jokester could be changed too if u want smth else

[gritty crescent]

Thanks!!!

[desert orchid]

u can completely ignore hitslow with double jump half the time

also if ur being chased u can parkour into places or bypass gaps to escape easy

[mellow kraken]

I love classes that can abuse z-axis!!! so balanced (druids/rogues/sorc) 😄

[gritty crescent]

how is the balancing this wipe? are barbs still really strong?

[mellow kraken]

barb is the only real class that can 1v3 if you play well.

[rapid vine]

anyone can show me what rewards of the quests that have skins or emotes? I got an apple emote from goblin merchant.

[keen mauve]

There's a website somewhere but don't know it

https://darkanddarkertracker.com/questtracker

[hazy turret]

how do you hoard gold? my stashes are filled with gold coin purses...

[atomic condor]

Smart investments in items that hold value

[vocal vine]

so much ranged and no barbs this game fucking blows

[sage terrace]

Idk, I think dying in a few hits in melee is a good trade off for casters

[vocal vine]

they are taking 4 hits to kill.... i have armor pen and 25ish percent pdb before berserk..... 190 health but im getting 3 tapped.....

like ignite wizard is a better barb like what even is this balance

[elfin zodiac]

@zinc sparrow fix youre fucking game

[sage terrace]

That is a gear system issue

[ebon bobcat]

this game fuckin sucks now!! thanks for ruining it SDF and IM!!

[vocal vine]

oh barb doesnt get to play the ranged game i AND gets to be the poorest scaling class like barb just fucking blows ass

[median anvil]

Once the game's over everyone can move on and life will be better for it tbh

[vocal vine]

I cant disagree with your statement.

[hoary parcel]

We will all go back to league

[sage terrace]

Talk about an awful game

[fringe void]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-pal-gif-22149909

[vocal vine]

like even full plates dont wanna engage in fights but because they have swift fighter kites me in mostly plate because barbs can either build tank or ms only now.

[normal ginkgo]

what is the cave trolls precious rock for?

[sage terrace]

Yeah it's the gearing system is the problem

[vocal vine]

its partially gearing and partially barb is ass.

rangers shotgun wiz MM anyone witha longsword like for not having ranged options this class blows in melee

hell even a doorway counters me

like why isnt the melee class good in melee

[sage terrace]

Barb is better than fighter in melee

🤷‍♂️

[vocal vine]

get to 2600 and say that about longswords and lantern shields

[fringe void]

seems like a skill issue bud

[vocal vine]

higher rating than you will ever be kiddo

[brave patio]

FIX DOUBLE CLASSES IN ARENA, IF YOU SOLO QUE YOU HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING MATCHED WITH THE SAME CLASS FUCKING FIX IT ALREADY ITS BEEN FUCKING MONTHS YOU GUYS SUCK

[clear pendant]

Thats not true but fighter can still use bows and crossbows

[mental oyster]

the skill gap between casuals and sweats is immense in this game. jumping,crouching, lifting up a shield, ddrinking a pottion these all have too much effect on pvp in imo

headshot damage is understndable but when every player your fighting in arena is having a seizure so u dont hit them in the head it becomes a sweat fest

[heady ridge]

Oof deader chat

[mental oyster]

if pve is removed so are many of the pve player base, i only play pve mode, its the safest best way to earn consistent coin without risk of losing it all in one run

[sage terrace]

Clunky combat would be better probably

[mental oyster]

also the night mare mobs need to be nerfed, if u want more people in high roller make it more accersible, dying to every single nightmare axeman is so boring anymore, learning how to dodge every mobs attack pattern is such a cop out, i dont want to cheese stuff to win

and thats what every single boss fight feels like

oh lemme wiggle around and duck and ook at the ground rea quick so i competely dodge this attack or oh shit im dead in one shot

[keen mauve]

Skill issue

[white matrix]

is there a quest that gives a chest?

[mental oyster]

once u memorize the pattern it becomes trivia, take for instance tombs of amascut on old school runescape

once u earn the clicks and patterns its a nothing grind untill u finally find an artifact

[keen mauve]

Treasurer pretty sure, 4 royal bangles

[mental oyster]

idk maybe im reaching i just want a boss that anyone can fight at any stage of game play expierence and have actual fun

not just get reemd and not really know what went wrong other then i didnt cheese it properly

ok here my last rant for the day

[white matrix]

ty

[junior wyvern]

you keep using the word "cheese" ... dodging hits isnt cheesing mechanics

[mental oyster]

longswords should not be allowed to parry. its a busted broken mechanic that really has no place in pvp

[jagged marten]

LF party

[bitter citrus]

Everybody knows longswords are the only sword capable of blocking/parrying.

[sage terrace]

Welllll

Crystal sword can block

[dry shore]

So, for those who have used "shield bash", have you noticed that right when you receive a hit, if you use the ability, it won't trigger?

[latent stream]

yeo is there any chance someone can buy me the seasonal pack or legendary stat??? (ill do whatever you want

[bitter citrus]

Point being, everybody knows you can't block with a falchion or parry with a rapier. So far fetched I doubt that'd even be programmable in a game.

[balmy stag]

When I update the game it says "Failed to prepair update." What do I do? Does anyone know this problem?

[crimson vessel]

How much damage does a demonfly takes? I'm trying to kill them for the quest but they always explode first and it doesn't count.

[unreal obsidian]

🇪 🇽 🇹 🇪 🇳 🇩
🇦 🇷 🇪 🇳 🇦

[hearty herald]

I found a review on steam that perfectly sums up the main issues with the direction of the game.
"i found this game through youtube, and at first, i didnt want to touch it, i went into steam and i saw the absolute stupidity that the devs were doing, so i decided to stay out... One day however, i was bored, and i thought "you know what, ♥♥♥♥ it, ill download this game just to try it"... so i did... and the worst part is that i liked it. I started playing when the solo and duo queues were already removed, which i found incredibly disappointing, and it made me not play any PVP mode at all, because it was simply unfair, i kept going against duos and trios and i kept dying to them, specialy since i picked Rogue. I kept playing PVE, simply because PVP was unfair, even tho i would have loved to play it... PVE was great as a learning tool, i already know all the patterns of the basic enemies of the goblin caves and ancient ruins, tho i still get my ass absolutely handed to me in the ice place (i forgot the name). I think the PVE should be a tutorial that you can replay or something, with a few basic rewards like uncommon bandages and health pots, some basic rings and armor, so players can more easily transition into the PVP aspect of the game. That aside, the removal of solo and duo queues was absolutely STUPID, and quite literaly took all the fun out of PVP and made me actively not want to play it.'

This was posted today btw

[celest fulcrum]

whens end of season

[humble wave]

pls sell the game before its to late

[sharp brook]

when is solos coming back? it has ruined the game for me

[devout surge]

finally, after probably 20 hours of play i've found the royal simple gold bangle to complete the treasurer quest for the coin chest. 😵‍💫

[small turtle]

sounds like a pve only problem

[frank void]

Never, unfortunately

[devout surge]

interesting statement, elaborate how it is possible to get a royal tier item in pve lmao

[untold cove]

arenas closed time to take a 3 day break

[calm copper]

@glad thunder is mentally challenged will bankrupt ironmace soon . enjoy the game while u can

[forest swallow]

RIP ARENA

[small turtle]

. . . That was the joke. But on a srs note. If u dungeon down they're fairly common in gold

[forest swallow]

🤓

[humble bloom]

A lot. I kite them with sorc through a firewall and two ele bolts

[devout surge]

Nah, I did it in HR. Been the only thing I've played for days, I'm ready to chill in some pve now though for sure lol.

[humble linden]

yo why do people report get a slap on the wrist for cheating

[hearty herald]

if they do it 9 times they are fine, straight from Graysun's mouth btw

[humble linden]

so they are bitchmade instead of enforcing rules? got it

[quiet drum]

So what are the season rewards gonna be, like how tf is it not released yet on the leaderboard screen like it usually is?

[spiral quarry]

@glad thunder when will NA players get a full weekend of arenas?? it always ends early

[crimson vessel]

thx

[forest swallow]

why is arena only one weekend bruh

24/7 would b so amazing

[tender bramble]

maybe

[fallow grove]

I thought one of the last patches made arena open indefinitely? This game has gone down hill so badly.

[amber vigil]

aaa

[bitter citrus]

If they released what they were, a lot of people wouldn't do it. It's to keep player count alive.

[haughty lagoon]

i hate this game bro

[crimson vessel]

same

[quiet drum]

are you saying the rewards are gonna be so bad people wont even grind for the leaderboards? lmfao

[unreal obsidian]

🇪 🇽 🇹 🇪 🇳 🇩
🇦 🇷 🇪 🇳 🇦

[rich willow]

pls bring back solo que

[gusty birch]

You need look for Peter The Lisard brother

[naive fiber]

I did it bros I got the royal gold bowl

[chrome lichen]

xiangsung hacker , we killed them with named weapons, they drop the server and we got back to menu.. and the hell was restarted .. thats ridiculous

[quiet drum]

hackers can restart servers?

[agile ibex]

Does Expressman dump your stuff if you die now?

[chrome lichen]

insta after killing the hackers (10 seconds) me and my buddie game crashed, we were senbt back to lobby with all our items

[quiet drum]

wtf

[humble bloom]

If people knew what was at stake they could make an educated decision if the rewards would be worth it or not. Hiding the rewards creates FOMO since it might be something good or it might not

[quiet drum]

but thats kinda scummy to do to their already dying player base isnt it?... such a low life tactic to keep us gaming, feel like that energy could be better used elsewhere, like idk, making rewards actually really enticing ? dont you agree?

[fallow basin]

Melee cleric and barb is getting kindof boring. That comp is everywhere in duos and they are always geared because its ridiculous

[tired socket]

so guys what happened to the game in the last 6 months to make everyone hate it even more

i just came back and thigns seem a bit off, they removed solos?

[humble bloom]

Hey you're absolutely right and i agree.
However this is a business and unfortunately once higher up (SDF) sees potential money they jump at it, consequences are not considered. It's the greed that perpetuates this kind of behavior.

[woeful raft]

cleric doesnt even need to run a shield thats how broken it is.

[quiet drum]

I feel like that same greed will be their downfall..

[humble bloom]

Once again we agree
Greed and incompetence.

[woeful raft]

This past arena thought me...

that it makes no sense a wizards can run front line with ignite and out DPS everyclass.

that rogues can literally 3-4 tap any class. ontop of being complete invis and having cuthroat.

that clerics smite is SO STRONG. they dont even need to run a shield.

that SORCs can teleport on top of practically ANY part of icemap and lightning storm down.

rangers always were able to do 1/4 my HP from ACROSS THE ROOM so nothing new there.

that somehow... war hammers and clubs can 3 - 4 tap people lmao.

the matchmaking for arena is absolutely terrible. played against triple rogue, triple wizard, triple barb, double same classes game after game.

if your not running 330ms your** not** catching any spell caster, and if you build 360 ms.. you can outrun barb debuff..

that LAMENT only reduces 10 ms while barb can reduce more...
dont even get me started on warlocks.

[mental oyster]

i forgot to mention this earlier, if pve is removed i think we might lose more daily players then anyone expects

[silent quiver]

all that small patches

[lyric lark]

why cant u get magic resistance on a unique heater shield

[tall arch]

Because the plus 1 memory capacity roll is better

[lyric lark]

ah makes sense

[tall arch]

Spell casting fighters

[fast bronze]

sounds like multiple classes are pretty strong, maybe you should choose one

[solemn fossil]

Bring solos back

[agile ibex]

What is arcane damage and what does it?

[prisma lava]

Casters SHOULD be able to outrun melee. Their innate need to turn around (reducing their move speed) and then channel(reducing their move speed) makes it almost the only way to compete.

Rogues need a nerf. They're supposed to be glass cannons. Currently they can pretty much kill anyone in one melee animation cycle which is pretty quick for them. On top, double jump makes dodging so much easier and should not be "steer-able" in mid air.

Barbs should need to sacrifice ALOT to be fast. There shouldn't be a 330 ms barb to exist with 160-180+ health.

Clerics need to straight up get gutted for melee. Class is supposed to be a support healer class but 99% of them don't carry a single heal because smite and Divine prot is TOO strong. The slow on their perk is absurd too. If you get hit once, you're toast

[long compass]

comparing lament to savage roar is stupid and savage roar only reduces ms by 15

[fierce zenith]

hey if im a barb and i want my aciles to last longer what do i build?

[long compass]

cant impact that

[woeful raft]

id argue my plane jane comp makes it "fun" for the other team to fight instead of them, having to fight cancer double/triple meta classes.

multiple classes is strong and thats the problem, theres a rule you cant run multple of the same classes but somehow.... get qued against them.

i will never contribute to the cancer in this game . i prob ran into 1 BARD. out of all my games. but im saying this cause it needs to be changed and balanced.

[woeful raft]

sure they should be able to run fast... but they DEFF should not be able to OUT DPS everyclass front line with ingnite.

[woeful raft]

glad thats the only thing you manage to extract from that list.

[prisma lava]

If your front line is getting out dpsd by an ignite wiz, somethings up brother

[fierce zenith]

can you make your debuff duration longer on enemies?

[long compass]

no

[meager marsh]

does wyvern still drop viola

[woeful raft]

go watch luffys ignite wiz build. you obviously dont know how fast that shit can melt someone even at 180+ HP.

even at the higher comp lvls theres A LOT of ignite front line wiz. and they all fn MELT.

but no one wants to talk about these stuff. no one wants their broken meta to get nerfed.

[pliant flame]

I just got scammed in the trade post does anyone know if it is bannable?

[long compass]

How do you get scammed

You have to literally click the item triple check everything

[pliant flame]

i traded 2sk for a lad

[long compass]

If you got scammed you deserved that

[pliant flame]

nah you right