game-discussion

[inner hazel]

i feel like they could just make an in game poll to see if they should make changes like this lol

[mellow kraken]

Bro you’re making me giggle too hard on my break at work. Stop

[abstract apex]

i just wanna work for ironmace then finally SDF will have someone to refill his cup during tavern talk

Cause we all know damn well hes drinking from an empty cup after the 15th sip. There ain't no way that tiny cup is holding that much drank.

[sand cape]

Just keep it neutral is all. All in good fun

[formal gale]

I'd rather they implement a punishing server-hop penalty so that it dissuades people from leaving a match early, like a 3 minute cooldown before searching for a lobby again because it detected you leaving servers early far too often

[silver current]

why can i not interact with my inventory while sitting down?

[inner hazel]

they needed to buff druid

[soft portal]

your real>?

[sand cape]

Deserter penalty and inability to earn for the next match lol

[vast kayak]

this game is straight dead in the water if they try to make it only trio queues. sdf says that the players wanted solo and duo queues, so they created those queues. take that away and this game is done.

[severe coyote]

dang, from 72 percent approval to 46. SDF really cooked with that patch. Tbh, maybe get out of the kitchen and let someone else cook for a bit, lol

[void kestrel]

I'd like to implement a developer mid season patch penalty, where sdf no longer receives a paycheck for taking a dump on the game mid-wipe

[formal gale]

Indeed, and add content balanced enough to where people wont want to play a specific map

[abstract apex]

we never deserved those queues. they're just taking them back to make us learn our lesson about being toxic to each other.

Once the community shapes up we'll get solo/duo back. so start being nice to SDF everyone and ask nicely for it back.

[silver current]

what does that have to do with druid?

[solar hill]

less money for them, definitely a good move

[little jetty]

well it's not really fix the too much queue but that's another issue

[inner hazel]

joke mb, i think its an oversight ngl

[void kestrel]

the beatings shall continue until morale improves

[abstract apex]

Exactly.

[woeful tartan]

its officialy goin to be trio only, hit 3k players, few months past by and sdf sells it to someone who wants to work on it, and we good, so W patches

[sand cape]

Boss loot static on a map. Yes. Everything else. No. It should be across all maps. Only thing that makes a difference is HOW MUCH not how little you get on diff maps

[silver current]

would be nice to be able to move ur potions in inventory while u sit down

[solar hill]

sell it to EA and we're going to turn into ashes

[abstract apex]

First W Patch Fighter and barb 330- 350 MS and 15% overall hp increase W microsoft change

[quick grove]

fucking team killers

[inner hazel]

worst timeline

[abstract apex]

Don't be fucking the team killers you don't wanna reward them for bad behaviour.

[solar hill]

[sand cape]

Yes. There’s some QoL I’d pay for myself to develope just to have in game lol. Like sort inventory….

[woeful tartan]

EA cant do worse than killing the game lol

[manic musk]

i spent the last 3 days feeding trios. im done with it.

[mellow kraken]

Good thing they can tune numbers on a spreadsheet but can’t add a sort button

[sand cape]

EA would make it to where you have to pay 1 red or 2 blue shards to enter HR 🤣🤣🤣

[little jetty]

how long since the last new content added to the dungeon?

[vast kayak]

i got my money's worth, 6k hours in this game. they can do what they want, i've stayed through it all. but this patch and the queue changes caused most of my buddies to quit this wipe. make it trios only next wipe and i bet the game is under 3k players. and when they get tired of killing each other every run, the game dies.

[abstract apex]

i have 200$ on stand by for druid buffs all SDF has to do is buff it.

[formal gale]

Tonight should be maintenance for the next patch i think, or thursday

[abstract apex]

This is our punishement. those queues were a privilege and we lost it.

[woeful tartan]

we got new mobs bougt for 240$ after few months so they are working hard ok ?

[little jetty]

i don't think they will added new content in this patch either, when goblin pregnant?

[abstract apex]

when will goblin merchant have the preggers questline.

[manic musk]

this. such a simple thing to do, like a filter on inventory.

but how long has it been since simple things like mobs clipping their attacks through walls was even looked at? how come mobs are allowed to noclip attacks through terrain but not players... because they have such terrible AI. The agro in the game is really really stupid. Mobs will agro and walk over to someone up on a box and just stand there looking at them ignoring everyone else in the level. no ability to drop or move/sort items while at a campfire, cant filter your inventory or stash for an item with +3 agi etc... this stuff is basic to fix.

[vast kayak]

they should take PvE away, too, then. that's the most toxic play in this game. dudes dragging mobs onto each other, killing mobs others are trying to do for quests, sabotaging boss fights, etc. etc.

[sand cape]

Have you seen the new seasonal pack? Lol does that count

[abstract apex]

As i always said they should take pve normal and HR out and let us play lobby and lobbier.

[manic musk]

boss rooms should lock down when players are attempting it. agro in the game needs a total overhaul.

[little jetty]

i haven't

[sand cape]

Boss rooms should allow PvP if you in there and locked in too(in pve mode)

[woeful tartan]

ah yes lets remove 2 rows per character and sell max 3 instead of 2 rows for 10$, because they worked on the trading system so much its work so well

[abstract apex]

me when i g et stomped into the ground by the trio with all artifacts (it's over they knew i was the bay harbor urinal shitter)

[sand cape]

That’ll prevent people from trying to boss steal lol. PvP mode active

[solar hill]

It should be like a dark souls screen, you can enter but not escape until the boss is done

[sand cape]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-george-costanza-gif-27012803

[abstract apex]

imagine how sick the bosses could be gaining different mechanics for the more ppl in the room.

[sand cape]

Ooooh that’s be dope. More hp or diff mechs based on player presence

[woeful tartan]

imagine how much they could done to pve mode, but no lets make it pvp mode without the pvp xdddddd

[solar hill]

it's free to dream

[little jetty]

i agree

[abstract apex]

the bosses in this game leave a lot to be desired frost wryvern is probably one of the coolest one 2nd with ghost king.

[smoky fable]

lamb of god reference?

[sand cape]

Ghost king? You mean 1 shot to Holy Purification 🤣🤣🤣

[abstract apex]

they're cool but they could be way cooler.

[potent mulch]

does anyone know how much the boss summoning items sell to the merchant for?

[solar hill]

i thought they added like new mechanics to bosses in pve, but is a boss-farming/griefing lobby only lol

[formal gale]

I haven't bossed simply because I don't like how strong they are and how much you have to memorize, but it seems like bossing is all about a specific moveset and a specific chance of when you get to hit and it looks so repetitive. Idrk how you'd make bossing more interesting but it seems so... idk, stale

[abstract apex]

i've never experience this issue (Bear form cheese is real)

[inner hazel]

can bosses be summoned multiple times?

[sand cape]

My bad meant to say holy puri from cleric lol literal 1 shot

[little jetty]

what do you guys think if we can only access red static only if the boss on the map is defeated, example we can only go to inferno after beat lich/warlord

[potent mulch]

didnt they get rid of the summoning system

[abstract apex]

ahh yeah lol ghost king is pretty easy on cleric haha

[manic musk]

literally this. so boring. its all a 'when you see this, do this' and its almost always some stupid move that doesnt even match the player models/hitboxes... like ducking a sword with a 'matrix duck' (why is this a thing) that is horizontal at waist height. i'd like anyone to try and do that in RL.... so dumb.

[sand cape]

People pay to get talked to like crap at restaurants. Maybe it’ll work 🤣💀🤣

[potent mulch]

I'm trying to figure out why frozen hearts sell for so much

[little jetty]

it's fun because it's supposed to be strong and hard, it's a "boss"

[solar hill]

i learned all the bosses (except wyvern, i'm on it) through pve, i think what really needs this game is a practice tool, to playets to learn how to build and shit. It would be awesome

[sand cape]

No tutorial is wild in a game like this where you first “tutorial” you can lose your shit and not learn nothing lol

[manic musk]

of course the game needs pve mode... its not even a question.

[inner hazel]

just let people go into an offline dungeon

[solar hill]

yeah, like tarkov

[static pendant]

nah you need the Hold the Line edition for that because uhhhh

money

[formal gale]

It took me 90 hours (which is my total game time) to actually begin averaging 1 pvp kill per run

[manic musk]

yeah there is absolutely no reason to have other players in pve unless their your co-op team mates

[sand cape]

Which is crazy considering the learning curve isn’t even that steep. It’s the dev curve

[static pendant]

give us true offline PvE and axe adventure mode bruh

[manic musk]

and now you can go into trio games and be farmed by any bot with 2 other team mates... yayyy so fun. glad you paid for that game now eh.

[sand cape]

I want 24/7 arena with 1v1, 2v2 and leaderboard

[static pendant]

just play Mordhau or Chiv 2 dawg

[inner hazel]

there are bots in this game?

[solar hill]

new players should get like a good pve mode, not only not pvp shit.

[sand cape]

Who says I don’t lol but that’s not in the dark and darker realm

[formal gale]

You're just fucking thrown into the dungeons, thats it. Fuck a tutorial

[static pendant]

the game lowkey doesn't need a tutorial, maybe some small tips would be cool but it really is self explanatory overall

[shrewd ledge]

Never gonna happen if sdf is still the lead dev

[sand cape]

“You’ll learn to fly” Adult bird to 4min old new born as he’s shoved out the tree 🤣🤣🤣

[static pendant]

ig there's no magic yeah but something about melee combat in this game leaves a little to be desired

[formal gale]

😭 Every other game I have played has a tutorial I think, even just a "these buttons do this" would help so many new players lol

[static pendant]

I feel like having a charged and light attack would be cool, make parries more worthwhile on anything other than longsword

[sand cape]

You know how many times I chucked my torch at players 🤣🤣

[inner hazel]

the hit boxes seem to be pretty accurate but i wish the weapons could be swung in any direction

[little jetty]

SDF deserve some love guys come on... and brain

[static pendant]

yeah I wish that was the case too so you could turn into your swings and hit someone a lot sooner, Chiv 2 style

[twilit moss]

pls bring back rare lobbies

[valid jewel]

fr

[sand cape]

Bro my barb shouldn’t feel like an outclassed rookie swinging a butter knife lol

[formal gale]

LOL, I first thought that right click would shine my torch brighter, kinda like SoT, but i just threw it instead and I actually stood there for a second

[static pendant]

wdym

[manic musk]

Whats the point when stuff as basic as this isn't resolved - https://youtu.be/mJsBZ5jveAA?t=312

[sand cape]

Some of the melee is lacking in movement and “immersion” and just feel like acts and not actions if that makes sense

[formal gale]

the morning star feels like this

[solar hill]

he tweaking with those updates. He will listen when the money stops to enter his wallet

[sand cape]

Spear too. So clunky and not “spear”y

[inner hazel]

idk the only thing is that 3rd attack

[sand cape]

Dude feels like he’s swing a full on log and not a shaved down piece lol

[formal gale]

Yeah, idk why the morning star is used as if you're casting spells with a wand but it really doesn't feel like it should do as much damage as it does

[inner egret]

whats the point when this is the state of HR - https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/kniUdZXO7Ztn3L7pB?invite=cr-MSxDZzUsMzYyNDQwNjMy

6 lads cheating chinese team on NA West

[static pendant]

oh yeah igy

to be fair King's Field was like that too with really static animations/hitboxes, and KF is a game this game seems to be majorly influenced by

[frozen sleet]

[sand cape]

All along the items scale based on the classes primary stat and not its expected stat 🤣💀💀💀

[naive coral]

game feels better being in discord typing then in game atm

[solar hill]

real

[formal gale]

Agreed, like deadass

[sand cape]

like some of the swings feel like they should hit and some of the slower ones feel like you should be able to dodge. It’s almost as if some weapons have reversed effectiveness lol

[wide reef]

I didnt buy sdf's vision i bought what I saw and enjoyed in that moment

[sand cape]

I saw a bunch of posts and said “it can’t be that bad”….

[solar hill]

broo that happened to a youtuber too, i would drop the game instantly if that happened to me

[wide reef]

i have to wait 3 minutes to queue

[silver current]

idk how people play as a bard, so much micro manage like no chance to actually swing vs mobs

[sand cape]

I’ll see your 3 and raise you 50+ in Tarkov lol

[uneven prairie]

go check out dnd content the current state of hr trios

[woeful tartan]

give them a month and it will be 30 so enjoy

[balmy cedar]

You don't need to be casting your buffs that often, they stay up for a few minutes. Just piercing shrill and stab.

[sand cape]

The good ol days of bugged queues if you left after a certain time so you just stayed til you connected or passed out 🤣🤣

[solar hill]

all the songs and shit to walk to a wisp and lose all buffs lol, but nah bard is easy

[inner hazel]

how cheating?

[wide reef]

i want a refund is what I want

[balmy cedar]

Steam is the place to go to get that.

[fervent bronze]

How many hour have you played?

[wide reef]

too many to refund

[inner hazel]

oh shit fr? whats it do?

[fervent bronze]

Respectfully, get fucked. You got ya moneys worth

[silver current]

what mob drops old bloody bandage for quest?

[balmy cedar]

Mummies

[solar hill]

Mummies

[inner hazel]

its got speedhacks??

[solar hill]

that's crazy

[manic musk]

yep, do you know what "attacking speeding up" is ?

[inner hazel]

action speed yeah\

[fading cliff]

I was like oh he's kitted, and then saw the inventory and had to rewind and see it again lmao. What's even the point of having six of them

[silver current]

weird i kill so many got so zero.
does higher tier dungeons have better drop chance?

[wide reef]

its like when apple downgrades their phones when new ones come out, you dont really get your moneys worth, and at least when apple downgrades your phone you can get a replacement, dark and darker's dev team just royally screwed us casual players

[limber badge]

Life after death shouldnt exist. An item that makes you not die is extremely dumb.

[steel juniper]

its an artifact bro

[inner hazel]

ohh thats just chivalry combat stuff

[worldly oracle]

is anyone getting an issue where the game keeps crashing before i can even get to the lobby? im on epic launcher and it just wont let me in

[fast dagger]

what do we think about merged HR trios all?

[inner egret]

if you slow it down its pretty obvious the barb is range hacking

[limber badge]

Ignoring death because you have an item is dumb lmao

[wide reef]

D&D is just a different game now, Imagine paying for skyrim and they drop a patch that fixes bugs with skills by removing skills and leveling

[manic musk]

yeah mort

[fervent bronze]

Not really a relevant comparison, but I gotcha.

Still though. You prob got more than 100 hours of fun for $35. That’s more hours than some AAA games get ya for $60.

Dark and Darker’s direction is a mystery, but I definitely don’t deserve refund. I got my money’s worth times a thousand.

[fast dagger]

what do we think about merged HR trios all?

[worldly oracle]

please ;-;

[limber badge]

Since the existence of LaD there's been people with inventories of it just ignoring death completely.

[steel juniper]

its not like its a common item, it's rare and expensive asf lol. but besides that it's really not insanely broken, once it procs just kite for a bit then go back in

[lavish rapids]

Anyone know where tf you can find human remains for the stupid quest?

[inner hazel]

he had six

[limber badge]

LMAO DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO

[fervent bronze]

Yeah one of the weaker artifacts for sure,

[cunning summit]

delete rogue

[mental steppe]

how much is mallet and boss triggers worth too mercchants since they not worth anything anymore

[wide reef]

thats a justification for neglect, its like saying you dont really own what you buy which is a BIG problem

[steel juniper]

@limber badge you do realize theres a cooldown after it procs right? lol

[manic musk]

in hell, corner room, small skeleton skull on floor

[uneven prairie]

ironmace makes money from gold buying sites change my mind

[inner hazel]

i could have sworn that was an exploit people used

[steel juniper]

im not sure tbh, having 6 is insane but they did implement a cooldown for that exact reason

[inner hazel]

oh so they did patch it

[lavish rapids]

I was told blood prison but I spent 10 minutes looking everywhereeee and couldn't find anything.

[fervent bronze]

You bought a game is early access. I’m sorry you weren’t aware of the terms of your purchase.

[river rapids]

how is it so hard to pit poor to green lobbies blue to purple lobbies and then just have HR for those who dont log off is that so hard?

[steady jay]

Onepegs vid literally has the exact location shown where to find it

[wide reef]

early access still doesnt justify neglect, isnt that the point of early access, for testing what people want?

[inner hazel]

speaking of cheaters, they finally added communication back to free to play accounts on TF2

[wide reef]

I hope sdf is just exploring the options with dark and darker and isnt keeping this because it really isnt anything impressive nor good.

[agile timber]

Totems on minecraft pvp (which is cringe af) is stupid and honestly more cancer than the pvp. I have no clue what the devs was smoking with life after death here

[fervent bronze]

Your argument is that you deserve a refund even though you’ve already sunk hours into the game.

Thats like buying a pack of skittles, eating them, then trying to return them because there are no more skittles.

[inner hazel]

yeah i think there are alot of ways that this game can be funner

[wide reef]

dark and darker is not food it is entertainment, that analogy was WAY worse then my iphone one

[woeful tartan]

no its like buying game with soloq and some time after getting game for trio only

[ornate haven]

how do you buy good armour in this game

[fervent bronze]

Ok

[wide reef]

i understand refunds should have a limit but I dont want to pay someone who basically lied

[limber badge]

you can reduce the cooldown to not be an issue lol

[inner hazel]

why would they make something like that scale?

[wide reef]

Wish we had a substitute, dungeonborne sucks

[sand cape]

I heard theres a DaD mod for Roblox lol

[wide reef]

gladly playing dad on roblox

[limber badge]

Who knows, because they're goofballs

[rugged granite]

Legacy Steel and Sorcery is a good option

[sand cape]

Diablo wasnt too bad lol. And the COD mod...but BattleBits hit harder

[agile timber]

After watching a few times the team that got ko'd mentions lag the range problem might have been hella desync but still names and such probably up to more than artie stacking

[manic musk]

imagine if a dev focused on making a roblox like engine with modern graphics that players could make the content for like roblox... less focus on gameplay .. just make a easily scriptable and modular multiplayer mmo engine

[inner hazel]

honestly i really dont care about the loot in this game i just like the combat and the magic, It would be cool to see a game like this with pvp dungeon delving with a different loot system

[blazing latch]

Imagine if this game was made by people who had a brain

[elfin fern]

why not just use unreal engine?

[manic musk]

garys mod did this, was a huge success in the past

[wide reef]

I really like dark and darkers combat and steel and sorcery just doesnt feel like that

[sand cape]

you can use UE5 creator on Epic launcher yes?

[rugged granite]

If you want the combat go to Chiv 2. Way better combat system

[wide reef]

I have chiv 2, half sword, I just like roguelikes

[inner hazel]

it would be cool if items could have a random ability or effect that could roll on them

[sand cape]

I cant wait to sleep people on Half Sword lol

[manic musk]

i dont think so, the barrier to entry is a lot higher with UE5 creator etc... you need something in the middle, basic LUA like scripting like Roblox... the multiplayer and server handled for you

[rugged granite]

Holy shit Half Sword is fun.

[agile timber]

Use UE and you lock out 80% of your potential player base its a heavily unoptimized engine (source i make games as a hobby plus countless documentation's)

[sand cape]

have you seen Everywhere/MindsEye?

[silver current]

where does lifeleaf plant spawn?

[tawdry canopy]

inferno

[manic musk]

Havent heard of those, no. Looking at them now. Whats interesting about them>?

[wide reef]

at this point we might as well be happy with what sdf done for us then but at this point dark and darker is going down the toilet with dungeonborne

happy memory lol

[elfin fern]

that's unfortunate, i guess i look back on ut99 and got the false impression epic was the industry standard

[inner hazel]

is unity better?

[inner hazel]

3rd level castle

[sand cape]

their ability to allow players to build off of a comercialized UE5 creator engine

[wraith wigeon]

this game WACK

[silver current]

oh damn! that place super scary

[elfin fern]

i would love to see a game that refines melee combat to like Hellish Quart levels with smarter ai enemies and makes it a medieval extractor like this

then be able to do stuff with your loot besides just kill people in the same maps over and over again

[inner hazel]

what if ur soul could posess enemies after u died like in crawl

[sand cape]

I honestly had high hopes for For Honor being that game….

[inner egret]

the game just has absolutely zero middle ground rn its either giga bis or squire kit idk how any game developer would think this makes sense

there isnt a single other extraction title that plays this way because it doesnt work @glad thunder i think its time for you to step down man youve lost your touch and your "vision" isnt working

maybe ask what we want instead of doing what you want

at the end of the day you make a game for the players not for yourself

[elfin fern]

ubisoft 😦

[inner hazel]

they should make everything bis

[sand cape]

painly aware lol

[sand cape]

Screw it...time to make it like Hunt and only weapons and consumables/usables are interchangeable lol

[elfin fern]

they just need to stop breaking stuff that no one was complaining about, like white-blue-hr

[primal ruin]

didn't realize this discord was made up of game developers...

[silver current]

anybody run into issue where ur running in the game and u lag stutter for like 2 seconds? happens every 20-30 seconds for me.

[inner hazel]

they just need to make everything cool no upgrades just side grades

[indigo ginkgo]

Game dead? We Delete?

[tulip dagger]

everytime i go under in the ice map the game crashes and it was not doing this before is it happening to anyone else?

[cunning summit]

na just mobs with no audio

[last garden]

What you think about this guys it has been 1 year ago has even change? game discuss video:

https://youtu.be/M3bKF6t_E8E?si=f2Nvla7O3MVDxRoT

[lapis bronze]

the game wont let me accept terms of service, anyone else run into this issue?

[crimson vessel]

how does one escape from HR in Crypt?

[lilac atlas]

there was a short dc thing on servers (or at least i think so) and usually anything is undoable at that time, try again now?

[narrow pike]

i cant wait for sdf to make this game dead

[naive shale]

so like, as much as i wasnt a fan then, I didnt know how bad it would get, they need to bring back rotating maps with solo/duo/trios. I just cannot play solo anymore, I dont have the money to run BIS gear every run and playing solo in trios is just not reasonable for the average player. I swear they hate the game and want it dead.

[last garden]

bro odin video say it it was dead already one year ago even joking about season pass is crazy and now Odin is getting fired couse no sdf vision

https://youtu.be/M3bKF6t_E8E?si=f2Nvla7O3MVDxRoT

[sterile anvil]

yeah its way different. he says sdf likes to type in chat, he doesn't say shit to us anymore

[last garden]

you cant say no to sdf or you get your ass out of ironmace we are doomed

[sterile anvil]

dang, the summary at the end here is if only players who know whats going on could communicate to the devs without a bunch of monkeys screaming over them the game might actually get better

[lapis bronze]

ive tried a few times over the last few days, restarted pc, checked game files, uninstalled and reinstalled, i get to the terms of service, scroll all the way down but it wont let me check the box and hit accept.

[agile timber]

try forcing the game to run in windowed temporarily under launch options if using steam blacksmith right click the shortcut and type -windowed

[carmine cedar]

sorry if this has been said before assuming it has but anyone know a fix for the tavern disconnection error message? only started happening today

[scenic tusk]

why on earth can you only mine an ore node once now

[manic musk]

usually there are other nodes in close proximity. sometimes when you mine you get multiple in your inventory.

[coarse portal]

Get off pve that's why

[rustic dune]

who dreops the human remains?

[scenic tusk]

ohhh yeah that makes sense ig

[coarse portal]

Lol yeah man pve you can only mine it once

[manic musk]

pvp trios makes up only a tiny fraction of the games players
#dnd-memes-only message

[main raven]

I'd just rat and mine when no one else is around you. Its too not too bad if you only need a bit of ore, like for the Cobalt/Ruby quest

[manic musk]

in hell, corner module, look for a small skull in middle of the room

[coarse portal]

Why are you tagging me? I don't need a poll to know who plays the game more. Anyone who plays can see it for themselves

[manic musk]

you seamed ignorant

[split fossil]

does the centaur hoof drop in pve mode? and is it the same 10% drop chance? i have killed over 30 and have not got any

[coarse portal]

For telling the guy to get off pve to mine?

[manic musk]

yes, as there is no benefit to moving to pvp for mining purposes

[trail flicker]

i just realized most of the complaining noobs here don tknow sdfs kitchen exists? that has to be it right? Dude even says "we are testing this.." lol why would you NOT want him to test something noob

[coarse portal]

Doesn't mean I'm ignorant that's given him information fool. And yes there is if you want more ore go to pvp and mine it. People aren't mining shit right now you won't even fight people. Plus you can knock the quest out in one go instead of having to run back three times depending on what ore you want. You tagging me in something that has nothing to do with mining is Ignorant

[fallow basin]

What do you do if a druid is hiding behind the ice in goldpile room frostcaverns?

[winter grail]

theres a test server for a reason...noob

[amber berry]

this game kinda blows rn

[dry plank]

Legacy Steel and Sorcery is a better game than this

look it up

[signal rivet]

Did they take out duos for good? i just started playing with my friend

[dry plank]

all trios

[signal rivet]

we have the full game but we ger recked in highroller

dang

[amber berry]

yeah the games shitcanned tough

[tranquil cedar]

whats the max pdr you can have?

[last egret]

maybe they reduce ttk if they add trios.

[signal rivet]

Does anyone know why they took out duos and all the other modes where you dont have to go fully decked out?

[last egret]

trios only i mean

[abstract narwhal]

Idk, but the devs thinking process with recent patches baffles me

cant make up their mind

[signal rivet]

I cant even return it which sucks

[last egret]

they deffs need more skill expression to the game. so adding blocking parrying for more if not all weapons would make solos more fun vs trios

[signal rivet]

yea i suck at blocking i swear it always goes through

[merry jay]

FIX THE GAME RIGHT NOW OR IM UNINSTALLING

[last egret]

fix what? what needs fixing

[tame oxide]

The game seems to be working fine for most people, you should submit a bug report idunno

[abstract narwhal]

maybe he meant the removal of duos/solos on common and high roller, and etc xd

[last egret]

idk i willing to see how removing solo duo and trio. and making it a mixed queue. as long as they give solo an easier time fighting trios some how or at least being able to escape.

[wise basin]

friends, im back on after not playing for like, a year, idk wtf theyre talking about in the beginning note when u turn the game on. item gaps? normal is made for trios? whats going on?

[abstract narwhal]

that I agree, if they would somehow balance it out for the solos/duos , but as things stand now, there is none

[silver smelt]

Duos might be back in 2026

[mental rivet]

like a hatch exit in dead by daylight?

[last egret]

like i enjoyed the early days of wiping squads as a solo longbow ranger but i know it wont be the same. i dont want ranger to be the only soloable class either\

random encounter was what made this game do fun for me

[agile timber]

sdf and and his su chiefs char broiled the game

[signal rivet]

I have to wait till 2026 BRUH...... My friend and I just bought this game because of duos

[last egret]

i mean you will still likely be able to play solos and duos you will just be up againts trios

[amber berry]

give it a few months and the game will be reduced to atoms

[dry hedge]

theyre gonna have to revert or the game will die

[wise basin]

so what happens if i try to go solo in normal now?

[last egret]

the queue changes wont change till next wipe

[wise basin]

removed lower gera score also?

[signal rivet]

We just started and we are not that good lol

[last egret]

i mean we dont know they may change their minds before that happens anyways

[manic musk]

You just get farmed by trios all day. You can try and hug side modules but your always just a loot pinyata for trios when trying to exit. It's pointless. Even if you kill 2 the 3rd gets you. Hard enough to 1v1 in this game. Totally pointless. And solo and duos make up the vast majority of the playerbase: #dnd-memes-only message

[wise basin]

ive been playing htis game for maybe 3 years, and idk how they manage to take 1 step frward, 2 steps back every fucking time

[signal rivet]

I dont get why the would remove a feature

[wise basin]

its like someone there is afraid of losing theyr job so they just do random shit and then fix it and say "didnt i do a good job fixing it?"

[scenic tusk]

is rubysilver only one ore per node on pve or is it like that on all modes

[last egret]

they have to make solo vs trios easier somehow

[wise basin]

anyone wanna trio i guess?

[manic musk]

its clearly explained in "sdfs-kitchen" channel here in discord. sdf is 50% of the decision power in the game design and he plays trios and not solos or duos. he wants to buff druids because they underperform in trios but he is aware in solos and duos they are overpowered. he beleives that he can balance a game around trio play but not solo, dueo and trios. he obviously didnt learn anything from the many decades of blizzard trying to balance trios in world of warcraft arena. it's an impossible goal. hes also clearly trying to make a game he (and few other players) want to play instead of the game the vast majority of players (solos and duos #dnd-memes-only message) want to play.

[wise basin]

damn im lvl 1 i cant do jack shit though. and i agree vanguard, good paragraph

[unkempt raft]

GRENADE

[chilly mulch]

Thing is, druids should be viewed not as these "I transform panther and stat check you" in solos type deal. Their transformations should be utility focused. The panther leap chicken hop combo for example is pretty fucking awesome repositioning ability. Making druid animal forms weaker would be a good enough balance change to then rework them towards having spellcasting focus.

[manic musk]

on the topic if druids i think they are pefect they way they are however they should have a cooldown on shapeshift of 4-6 seconds, its that simple. bear, cat leap, cat leap, chicken through a door, mouse, cat leap cat leap... shouldnt be possible. the whole mouse/chicken through a door is obviously dumb and should be removed from the game. chicken/mouse through prison cell bars is fine.

[tame oxide]

You get 4-6 in HR iirc

[elfin fern]

i dont have a problem with panther being a temporary poke or chase of itself, just not the entire event

[mellow kraken]

im back from work, anyone want to queue duos in the blues lobby?

[elfin fern]

[chilly mulch]

Just reducing charges would be nice. I'd like to see less constant shifting and more thoughtful usage. Though the combos of leap chicken again are staples of druid movement that I don't think the class would be raised by removing.

[random bramble]

If gear is nerfed next season to accommodate for solos in trios. There are going to be ideal solo classes / builds for characters able to take on or easily escape teams. Like druid and sorcerer. But most classes do not have that kind of capacity yet.

[hard spoke]

we're off to a good start, now we just need to get rid of norms and highroller separation 🙂

[short otter]

the blocking system is buggy. Has been for years now

[agile timber]

-2/5 bait or mental call it

[chilly mulch]

I feel like all they need to do to make the game follow the 3v3 vision now is reduce power of gear. I said this earlier but:

Poor, Common, Uncommon --> Only stat bonuses moving up tiers, no random modifiers.
Rare, Epic --> Gains one random modifier, same stat bonuses per tier movement upwards.
Legendary, Unique --> Gains another random modifier, now 2, same stat bonuses per tier movement upwards.
Artifacts, Named Items --> Gains another random modifier, now 3.

[manic musk]

i disagree, norms give people less bursty and OP environments to get more pvp time (during actual pvp combat) in without just being one tapped by veterans every game

[inner hazel]

if it blocks it should turn off the hitbox lol

[hard spoke]

thats why i also support getting rid of enchantments entirely 🙂

[short otter]

the most annoying thing is you can swing and rapidly spin to get around shields or jus go right through.

[manic musk]

when player numbers are low and queues are too thin with players per map... maps should 'close off' every 30 mins... so 3 maps down to 2... if still low down to 1 map that rotates around all maps every 30 mins... when more people get on... open up more maps per 30min.... not this rediculous situation where entire queues are removed because one of the devs wants to farm obviously underskilled, undergeered players in high roller for free gold with his trio

[agile timber]

wdym they just spawn that junk in they dont actually play

[obsidian shell]

it does! if the impact power of the attack is less than the impact resist of the shield/weapon! Though, the reason why thrusting attacks like spear or rapier still deal damage despite being blocked is due to the hitbox spawning behind your guard/inside your character's hurtbox. So you get hit first, then you block.

[manic musk]

haha truuuue

[inner hazel]

ive heard the noise before and still taken damage what is that about then?

it was from a goblin if that helps

[worn vigil]

Any game like dnd now that solos is removed and the game really is dying? Lmk for suggestions

[halcyon hazel]

just lost a 10k kit in adventure mode, still hasn't appeared after 30 minutes on Goblin Merchant. Anyone else experience this?

[fallow basin]

What do you do against sorc as a non barb? There literally isnt any way to get on them in melee

[idle spindle]

Or maybe stop shoving a stick in the spokes 5 times a season and keep the playerbase up 🤷

[obtuse agate]

why the fuck can't i bring in a luck potion to normals

[obsidian shell]

Spacing issue. The goblin's attack probably started behind your guard, causing your arm to get hit, then the block to register.

Try to space yourself so that your guard is at the enemy's maximum range, so that the enemy cannot accel past/drag around your guard to effectively bypass it.

Blocking in this game is jank as heck, and isn't really all that rewarding to get good at, but it is really fun, and really cool! 👍

[idle spindle]

Make them come to you

[mental rivet]

@fallow basin move speed, Surv bow, Shotgun, Backstep into their face

[obsidian shell]

IT'S TOO POWERFUL! UNFAIR FOR THOSE WHO DON'T BRING IN LUCK POTION OR GREEN BANDAGE!!!!! GEAR GAP TOO HIGH!!!! NO GEAR = FUN!!!

[dusk galleon]

Gotta Zero to Hero it.

[obsidian shell]

Shoot them! (preferably with a bow, but crossbow works too I guess)

[inner hazel]

even with longsword?

[obsidian shell]

Especially with longsword

[mental rivet]

game feels pointless without any progression or used from the gear you get from commons

[fallow basin]

Well i guess theres no solution on melee warlock then lol

[undone swan]

in adventure mode, do you lose gear like the other modes?

[mental rivet]

just backstep spear them in the face

[obsidian shell]

yeeehhhh..... lock doesn't really have the stats,skills, perks, or weapons for a viable melee playstyle. Just do Barbarian or Fighter instead, you'll thank me later

[tame oxide]

You can buy it back from goblin merchant. If you die to the void in ice caves, it doesn't get recovered tho

[manic musk]

This is exactly why we need a combat log. So the community can understand these events and more easily help identify issues and log effective bug reports.

[fallow basin]

Ive played it a ton including all the other classes, and ive been confidently stomping on every other class other than sorc who feels literally untouchable because of his pushback spells. I suppose game is never going to be balanced around solos its just a shame that sorc feels designed to be annoying on purpose.

[halcyon hazel]

just lost my gear about 40 minutes ago, just died to mobs on first floor of Castle

[nocturne heath]

do all highroller bosses gave unique drop chance

[undone swan]

i see okay, so i practically have no risk bringing in my gear

it doesn't make it very clear in game LOL, unless I didn't look hard enough

[twilit epoch]

Hey guys, I have a question regarding damage reduction. For example, some mobs have 50% physical damage reduction, but others have -50% physical damage reduction...

What is the bloody math lmao does that means if I have 100 damage weapon, its 100 x 50% or it becomes 100 x 150%??

[halcyon hazel]

just lost my gear about 40 minutes ago, just died to mobs on first floor of Castle & so I wouldnt say that'

[undone swan]

oh interesting, i don't know now what to expect hahaha

[compact lily]

Let’s start a riot to ban sorc it’s a disgrace to this community and not even fair wizzard has to regain same as cleric and Druid why does sorc get a free pass to be a straight up caster bot with no skill just playing and praying the unlimited spells they get work 😏

[stable urchin]

rip

[twilit epoch]

anyone pls 😭

[manic musk]

Check out Barbooian's videos, she explains it step by step https://youtu.be/TsFOJ-Zpgtg

[median holly]

Wizard is way stronger in a burst match than sorc, they have the ability to spam fire balls and explosions until they wasted all their slots, having CD and spells that aren't hitscan or easy to land is the draw back to sorcerer

[sacred cargo]

they have AOE spells like crazy lmao are you kidding? Why need hitscan when you can destroy entire areas immediately

[compact lily]

Sure seems to land just fine such a brainless character to play in bringing my full bis barb out to play max strength and 230 move speed and almost max hp in going sorc hunting in bringing a named with me it’s on sight

[median holly]

You're either bad at wizard or just didn't play a single time as sorc, can't explain something that you don't know, it's pretty well known that wizards are counter to sorc

[vocal turtle]

Is playing anything other than barb rn a stupid idea ?

[acoustic owl]

What time does arena open?

[median holly]

A single perk that gives immunity to push back literally turns 6-7 spells of sorcerer useless, If you're losing to sorcs as barbarian you're horrible at barbarian

That's why solo needs to go bro this guy thinks that something is unbalanced just because he is bad and knows nothing, at least on trios he can be carried

[twilit epoch]

They explained the calculations but not my specific question

if a mob has 25% damage reduction on lets say magic but -25% damage reduction on physical magic, does that means if I hit them with a 10 damage melee it becomes more or less 12.5 physical damage?

[meager talon]

Okay, I havent been active in this discord for a few months now since I left the game, but haven't left the discord because, well come on, I gotta see this in real time, But the introduction and preferential treatment that has been given to sorc with little attention to wizard (my main class) was absolutely infuriating, not to mention all of the other class balance changes that hurt everyone else. this game is great, it really is, but holy shit devs, if you're reading or listening to ANY of us, please change something WE are asking for.

[twilit epoch]

I only wanted to know about the differences between % and -% damage reduction specifically

[unkempt raft]

think whats really crazy is how you complain about other people's behavior but are actually like this yourself lolol

[mellow kraken]

surely when I get off of work tomorrow, people will want to play duo in blue lobbies!

[twilit epoch]

anyone?

[manic musk]

Whats da Q

[twilit epoch]

this this

honestly its just, deal more or less damage when dealing with % and -% damage reduction, cuz im honestly confused with that part

[manic musk]

Yes thats what this means

[twilit epoch]

okay thanks

[wanton otter]

Wheres the announcement that says sike

[unkempt raft]

GRENADE

[tulip dagger]

are the mystical gems and golden key chest still broken the chests were always empty

[trail flicker]

We recently reduced Normal mode to Trio-only. At that time, we chose to set the item limit to Rare—even though we were aware that doing so might not be ideal given the current level of gear disparity, but that is what we wanted to test. The reason was to test whether randomly matched teams could still play well under such conditions.

Hi I'm ven ill be subbing in for Greyson for the time being. Pls allow me to field all of your questions and converns

[abstract veldt]

i think trying to force poeple to play HR is the reason (one of many) why playerbase falls down.

[manic musk]

Wow... for all the exorbitant rule list this Discord server has they dont have a rule for impersonating staff, admins or moderators.... hilarious. Go right ahead @trail flicker

[inner egret]

We were aware of the gear disparity between common and rare so we decided to remove it and make gear below legendary and absolute bis epic completely useless

[supple condor]

Well saying HR is supposed to ONLY be for the most HC and not meant for everyone.. and then instantly forcing everyone into it seems.. moronic?

[trail flicker]

Agree! Ranked makes many players anxious, even competitive ones and sometimes they just wanna chill widdaafellas.

[abstract veldt]

yea, i really liked up to rare loot normals This was great i was having a good time. I also liked being a solo on trios as a thief rogue and for me this was cool stealth game where other players are the guards

[agile timber]

Holy monkey they honestly dont

[inner egret]

common lobbies are completely pointless

No risk = no reward

Hr unlimited only = haven for cheaters and all the risk possible with absolutely no room for anything but what most grind for a month to be able to use in arena

Even 0-24 had more risk/reward then this

[wanton otter]

Hr should be free

[static pendant]

I also wanna know what the point of the ante is ngl

[tender topaz]

so when are we taking the slow off of barbs undogeable aoe ability?

[rancid umbra]

0-24 was indeed great, atleast I oculd use a few greens

[abstract veldt]

they should make HR's as a lower levels of the normal dungeons. Just add up to 2 entrances on the maps

[wanton otter]

Remove being banned for friendliness in HR, make it free, and get rid of it being ranked. Just let it be harder content

[agile timber]

? you still get some decent stuff sure its not named (correct me if im wrong rng isnt kind to me) but no risk for free stuff is kind of alright for norms

[tender topaz]

an aweful idea

[wanton otter]

I personally value player choice in my extraction games.

[abstract veldt]

i mean is shows that they do a lot of restrictions that destroys the fun of the game. Pickpocket rogue is dead

[inner egret]

It’s useless loot

[tender topaz]

i personaly dislike gold farmers quesniping lobbys to team on other players

[wanton otter]

They shouldn't ruin it for everyone else if they're a minority

[agile timber]

Yeah the friendly encounter rule is stupid i get it, it was abused but dont just ban every 'friendly encounter"

[wanton otter]

Let the dungeon decide imo

[tender topaz]

they are not a small minority especially at higher rating

[wanton otter]

I dunno abt that, you sure thats true statistically

[tender topaz]

yes

[wanton otter]

Okay show me your maths, cite sources, or did you make it up?

[torpid rampart]

saw it in a dream

[agile timber]

subjective i guess it is norms after all cant expect to pull a god crafted item from it

[wanton otter]

Source: trust me bro

[tender topaz]

ask any streamer that played while it was not bannable

[wanton otter]

I don't think the streamers matter

[tender topaz]

its also why they made the spectate mode timed because the gold farmers would go in die and give call outs to the other team that quesniped so they could wipe the lobby

[fiery pilot]

mystical gem room marv chest not spawning items btw

[wanton otter]

Heard that from other sources. I suspect some ppl are vacuum cheating

[fiery pilot]

What does that even mean

[tender topaz]

not to mention it just makes for an extremely unfun experience if you are trying to go in and get pvp

[fiery pilot]

The chest that spawns one items isnt spawning items, the other one is. 2 games in a row for me now

[wanton otter]

Tarkov has such cheats, basically if you enter render distance you can make a program auto interact with everything.

[fiery pilot]

What a great game

[wanton otter]

If it's ONLY the rarest chests possible being bugged im suspicious you kno?

[fiery pilot]

The cyclops and troll marv chests are good and the one that spawns many iotems in the gem room. just the single item spawn

[wanton otter]

Mm.. #report-a-bug

[fiery pilot]

Already did, kinda lame. It was working before this patch

[wanton otter]

Screw the streamers being important so often btw.

[static pendant]

I got two legendary spawns on Cyclops off of a normal run the other day, Halberd and Splendid Cloak

best loot I've gotten so far, but I haven't ran HR like at all since I'm still wanting to get all of the mobs second nature first

[wary elbow]

any1 elses game just freeze then crash????

[tender topaz]

steamers are just the vocal part of the high rating community

[wary elbow]

its kicked all three of us and says mathc in progress and wont load game

[cursive hatch]

me too

sadness

[mighty slate]

is the game down?

[inner egret]

Blue and green loot is useless now

[random niche]

hopefully they lose the lawsuit and this game is shutdown forever

[outer cargo]

where is the module skeleton rooms for the quest?

[wanton otter]

🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑

[wicked lynx]

what's faster cast rate, crystal ball or magic book?

[abstract veldt]

Streamers are the reason why they nerfed smokepot, because rogues were stealing loot from corpses and streamers were saying "thats unfair 🤓 ". Like bro the entire point of pvpve looting game is that its unfair and sometimes you get 3rd partied

[agile timber]

obviously it always was tbh but its not all green and blue like come on your acting like you just get under purple when i just opened 6 chests and half i got legendries from

[cursive hatch]

124

[agile timber]

which i miss with every bit of my soul when i play now a days. Bros over reacting to norms loot table

[severe coyote]

they go back on the garbage patch yet?

[agile timber]

Nope your name is spot on

[coarse portal]

He's double down on it. Solo and duos will be removed completely.

[acoustic plover]

once solo/duo is gone so is 70% of the player base lol

[north pollen]

facts

[torpid terrace]

they deserve everything that is coming to them. SDF should not be shocked when player count drops below 1000 on steam a year from now

[hollow tapir]

@safe coral @livid verge @magic glen @summer saffron @mossy nebula

love you guys true kings of the duelyard whats up guys

[acoustic plover]

everyone running bis kits until they lose them then they quit bet

[delicate surge]

People still tripping over SDF's decision to remove solo/duo?

[torpid terrace]

and your not?

[delicate surge]

Not really, I don't mind it to be honest. I can somewhat understand the angle he is taking, the amount of lobbies ran because of solo/duo probably doesn't outweigh the server costs. So limiting the lobbies, or the removal of the gamemode makes sense.

[deft geyser]

Yes removing the most popular game mode makes perfect sense

[random niche]

yea this is really great, balances game with 90% of lobbies being the same goofy cleric build

[livid verge]

Wtf

[hollow tapir]

yoyoyoy

[livid verge]

Is dark and darker community so dead now its mordhau level

[delicate surge]

Just cause its the most popular, doesn't matter much now does it? Or did you always do what the popular kids did in school to? I mean, the game was intended to be played in trio's, and the costs are apparently to high I guess.

It somewhat makes sense if you take a step back and look at it objectively. But as soon as something happens people dislike, they get all into their feelings and forget that feelings don't matter in these decisions.

It could've just as well been a case of, we either do this so we can re-balance the game and limit the server useage, or we pull the plug on the servers themselves cause its not viable to keep them running.

[livid verge]

@hollow tapir what was ur name that id know u by from mordhau?

[hollow tapir]

mike

[main lintel]

https://i.imgur.com/ld62GOv.png

[severe coyote]

Just a reminder that if you haven’t yet, leave a review with your feelings on the current patch on steam. Game is currently at 46 approval when it was at 72 2 days ago

[ebon apex]

how fucked is the game rn

[severe coyote]

Pretty much unenjoyable if you don’t have a trio squad in BiS

[ebon apex]

yessir

[subtle heart]

I’m trying to get into ice caves lmao

[severe coyote]

Green and blue items have no worth, HR is the only place you can wear non common gear, HR is trios on full artifact sets lol have fun playing more than. Squire gear only normals

[livid verge]

theres like 50 mikes

[formal gale]

mike wazowski

[worn owl]

Game is fire, W Patch FR FR 👌

[gusty sentinel]

need that patch reverted asap

[trail flicker]

Do this 'experiment' next wipe, or just for a week, not the REST of the wipe. I have two stashes of bis blue shit on four chars. My wipe is ruined and i find myself on apex/marvel/chess/teamfight tactics only now. I turn the game on and its just shit to look at my blues so now its literallyd edgame

[hexed mural]

can cyclops drop artifacts in HR? if so which ones? is there somewhere i can find this info

[supple condor]

i think no artifacts from first floor bosses .. it was in some patch notes ages ago

[hexed mural]

so troll and cyclops both dont drop artifacts?

[lone heron]

found a weird book called the chronicles of something or other about the ghost king what's that for?

[shell bison]

the room for doing cyclops and troll has a chance of containing a named

[amber vigil]

"hr is fun hr is fun, remove rare " i just got ran down first match of the night with gear by a full team of artifact running full unique bis gamers lmao

[hexed mural]

neat thanks

[trail flicker]

I do enjoy the common system now, you use wha tyou have and there is massive amounts of pvp and you still end up with loot becuase everyone is looting to get an advantage, but just merchant sellikng the items that are green and blue that you owned someone with was total shit.

[shell bison]

[lone heron]

with no random aspect, an extraction game is just a battle royale. teams geared to the teeth will always exist, and forcing them into their own little lobbies to fight each other defeats the point. you're to be rewarded for finding and procuring good stuff with a better chance of having the advantage in a fight, similarly you're at a higher chance of being disadvantaged if you bring in bad loot. That's how these games work. There's always a chance you're gonna meet literally the best gear in the game, and a chance you might be able to take it from them. Though this game struggles to balance with that last bit in mind.

[mental rivet]

what are people looting and scooting for? what the hell are they gonna do with blue gear they take out? why not red portal

[native bronze]

Wassup homies. Is there a specific channel or different server where I can post pics and ask questions about how much my looted items are typically worth? I know you can search with similar attributes but there’s not always similar stuff on the market. I also don’t really know what’s BiS or* the most desirable gear lol

[amber vigil]

u will NOT take it from them unless ur geared to the teeth as well. not everyone has no job, and no life. common/unlimited being the ONLy two ways to play this game is NOT right lmao and ur crazy for even suggesting that.

[clear tapir]

This shit is so stupid

[lone heron]

I didn't suggest that. Even they said this was a temporary measure. Obviously they don't intend to make all gear up to purple literally useless. That's fucking moronic. But I was saying your complaint of "I ran into a fully geared three stack" means nothing.

[lone heron]

chronicles of the cursed crown, it is, what's that?

[timber wraith]

Sorry they want to balance the game for team play not solos. This company outed so many of you antisocial losers it’s funny. Get some friends

[lone heron]

You know it isn't that simple. There's a million reasons for preferring to play alone that aren't "i can't make friends."

[amber vigil]

Fax, only streamers/no lifers and people who buy gold benefit from the current state of the game. Make a testing branch if you’re going to keep throwing shit at the wind and hope it catches.

[timber wraith]

No pretty sure no one likes you

[lone heron]

I think this direction is workable, albeit they should have maintained it and not buckled to the community if the final game was meant to be trios only, that's just leading people on. But you know for a fact you're being an ass.

[amber vigil]

I play trios and I think the current state of the game is fucked. Not even being able to get a decent boss run in is so crazy.

[mossy wing]

Please relax on the NSFW drug statements, thank you, i understand the frustration

[ember igloo]

Chat are we cooked?

[amber vigil]

Spend 100k gold to roll the lobby or run around in squire 😁🙏

[lone heron]

I literally just got off with my duo for the night I'm not even your target you're just rude

[unkempt raft]

its beyond well done
its charred and theres no moisture
we are fucked and fried

[mossy wing]

And everyone please maintain respect, atleast with each other, thank you adventurers ❤️

[timber wraith]

You guys spend 20$ a week for Hellen Wong to play the game for you

[ember igloo]

alright time to go babysit f2p's as warlock

[amber vigil]

“Temporary measure” temporary measure for WHAT lmao it’s not like the playerbase was MASSIVELY declining before these changes. I think the game was in a decent state with rares/epics/artifacts 🤷🏻. I don’t think there were any “temporary measures” needed.

Idec about solos being removed but this whole “common/hr” only is kinda screwed.

[ember igloo]

-# I miss unique lobbies

[amber vigil]

Genuinely. This is so boring to play. Sorry the artifact andy’s didn’t have anyone massively undergeared to roll 😂😂😂

[lone heron]

It's a temporary measure to make the game playable for new players. They realized and admitted that, for a player joining right now (I.E., me), without squire lobbies there is NO WAY to play on an even playing field. There still isn't, if you don't have a team, but at least this way you can kinda try and learn the game a bit while they hash out everything.

[amber vigil]

There WAS squire lobbies before. There was common, then rare, then unique, then artifact.

[lone heron]

ok I need a rundown of what this means idk what a unique is or why there was a lobby for them.

[tulip plinth]

There will probably be a quest this week to collect 3 different books in ruins

[amber vigil]

Then stop inputting cuz you don’t even know what is going on, i’m not being mean but I’m definitely not sitting here saying squire lobbies are bad 😂

[lone heron]

The less queues thing is a permanent measure, that's not temporary. They needed squire lobbies to exist, they realized it was stupid to remove them, but they planned the rest of this wipe around three brackets and they weren't (unfortunately) just gonna remove pve

[mental rivet]

gear score days were better dont @ me

[amber vigil]

🙏💯

[trail flicker]

Does sdf kitchen comment mean he plays on making the game only trios in all phases of the game? He will need to at least have solo duo pop up every hour or something minimumum

[ember igloo]

Last patch, we hadd unique lobbies, which at max equipment of Epic.
If you went in at a deadzone time, I.E. 7AM you'd have the most relaxing experience of HR, but you at best only get uniques, barely.
Did let me snag a 500g Bardiche

[lone heron]

...there's weeklies???

[timber wraith]

Crypts trio goblin solo days were better. Guess who cried for 50 years to change it. Chat

[unkempt raft]

thats how its been done for like 3 seasons? maybe more?
its how they pretend we have slow burn

[lone heron]

Last wipe or patch? Bc I played before this patch and I know about the epic hr lobby, but i didn't know it was for uniques or something?? what's a unique I thought I knew but I'm confused now

[amber vigil]

Who tf wants to play crypts solo lmao

[lone heron]

like weekly added trader quests? bc I'm not caught up yet.

[amber vigil]

Crypts is so bad for anything but PvP imo. I wanna gobby cave boss solo. Goblin caves is way too small to be a trio only map.

[ember igloo]

Epics = Unique Lobbies, but you say uniques cause thats what you get out of them, You dont say they are Epic Lobbies. Makes it sound like your playing adventure.

[lone heron]

I see.

[unkempt raft]

i love crypts hr solos - so much grimmies/brave hunter/meta monkeys like myself, we're all just trading gear sets around in there

[mental rivet]

how we gonna loot for an hour just to take a blue portal screw this game

[unkempt raft]

• season starts
• 1 wave of quests released for every vendor
• next week comes along
• select batch of quests for certain vendors
• repeats like this every week
  certain vendors like armorsmith/leathersmith/tailor/weapon dont get as much quests at first because they're the "end game merchants"
  but now we're supposed to be getting quests every week regardless

like, once all the main quests are out, we're going to keep getting more quests that dont mean anything

[lone heron]

anyone got any tips on how tf u fight the banshee I can't find any tutorials online that aren't just how to beat her, I want to know how to REACH her. I go to the module they say and I do not find jack shit. I assume u have to beat the spectral knight first bc of the thing in the reward room but otherwise idk what I'm doing

[cold jolt]

i really like this game and really want to play better but after this change, i cant learn how to play better and how to play healthy, i play about 30-40 common lobby matches, and most of my teammates will kill me for items or loot and run away, i cant play 1vs3

[ember igloo]

Don't

[lone heron]

Oh. Ok. That's rly dumb.

[timber wraith]

Bring back my solo gob caves. Bosses were designed for solo, crypts for trio, rework frost mountain shits ass

[ember igloo]

Exactly

[swift hemlock]

it is stupid to remove rare lobbies cuz now what the fuck is the point of getting gold for new players when you can only use squire gear

[unkempt raft]

someone linked it to me from one of the devs but basically once all the main quests are out, they're just gonna keep releasing more quests every week, and its gonna be stupid stuff like "kill 15 of this" etc etc

[mental rivet]

yess

[lone heron]

me want loot :( me want shiny treasure food :( me want purple. me want make my old gear moot

[lone heron]

Yeah. It's fucking crazy. They should've just added the bracket instead of replacing rares. But it's all part of the plan.

[ember igloo]

normals has purple and orange foods

[lone heron]

I'm not fighting bosses outside of pve until I know wtf they do, I don't wanna fight OTHER PEOPLE while trying to learn them.

[mental rivet]

honsetly ima just go learn how to fight bosses i guess this game is ass right now otherwise

[pastel surge]

They are trying to cut down on the number of queues.

Problem is, they also want people playing with all gear, not just brackets. sdf has this idea that top end gear being more broken means more competitive, and thinks that's the true experience of his game.

[swift hemlock]

like bro i have like 8 sets of biss blue, each sets costed like 2k, and guess what, they are useless now, time wasted, great dev

[timber wraith]

And how hard is it to see no one uses some perks and skills. Throw cringe role play perks out please. Campfire mastery ranger is never happening

[mental rivet]

give ranger melee perks of some shit

[lone heron]

why remove them?

[tender topaz]

i dont think streamers where calling for the smoke pot nerfs, sdf just did that himself

[timber wraith]

Why remove them? Because it’s complete filler nonsense. We need real perks and skills that offer build diversity not some bs role play

[lone heron]

Why not just add other perks. Some people like to role play. That's how they make half of their fucking money.

[unkempt raft]

why not remove them and instead incorporate it as a function in a skill tree that acts as passive perks that dont eat up the 4 slots you use and give the classes more identity
but no - class tree isnt important at all to these guys

[timber wraith]

Literal years of data too see that people don’t use 75% of the options

[unkempt raft]

rip infinite smoke pot and caltrops

[ember igloo]

wait yall think caltrops is low tier?

[timber wraith]

It’s fucking garbage

[honest marsh]

Is sdf fired yet or neh

[swift hemlock]

bro you havent seen warlock perks yet

immortal lament
dark enhancement
infernal pledge

[timber wraith]

It’s shit

The memes are pickpocket rogue, shield bash fighter, melee sorc

[rapid vapor]

Smoke pots are still usable. Caltrops are pretty meme worthy though

[swift hemlock]

hey melee sorc isnt that bad, tp and take out ranged squishy targets with all your buffs on

[rapid vapor]

Also I wouldn't call shield bash a meme. It has good damage now and the hitbox of the shield lingers around you for awhile which can block things it shouldn't.

[dense pawn]

It's not the first and probably not the last time they nuke entire stashes of gear without a heads up. They rarely learn from their mistakes or maybe they just don't care.

[lone heron]

I just don't like the take of "if it's not viable it needs to be removed" like...what? Buffed sure, reworked sure, removed? what's the point in that, that's no better than it staying in for those few who do use it.

[weary herald]

remove duos keep 1 que for normals/hr solo and trios normals up to blue hr no limit

[lone heron]

Ok I'm gonna lay out my ideal again, just to set a baseline for my opinion

Solos and Trios

Squire(solos only)(loot to epic) - Normals[Legendary](loot to legendary) - High Rollers[Artifact](loot to artifact)

Offline training raids where you can't gain or lose gear for all of them.

make it more like other extraction games, where anything goes, anywhere

Then balance won't be split across brackets, and that has LESS queues than the current "queue-light" solution.

[swift hemlock]

they could have just added back 124 gear score if they felt that gear difference is too high in normals

[lone heron]

And there'd be no place where all the juicers were, the juicers would be everywhere, spread thin alongside those with less gear. It'd play like...well, my god, it might play like an extraction game for once

idk I'm sure it had its problems i wasn't there but I feel like gear score suits this game better than rarity-based brackets anyway

[swift hemlock]

the only bad thing about gear score is that you have to min max, like try to equip and unequip to get to the max gear score, its kind of annoying, imagine having to take off a whole piece of gear just because you are 1 over the max gearscore

[lone heron]

yeah I can see that

[ember igloo]

Last Patch but just
Adventure
Starting Grounds (Normals)
Solos & Duos (Rare)
Trios (Epic)
HR Unique (Epics)
HR Artifacts (Artifact)

[lone heron]

That's worse than it was and has more queues. You've made it worse and failed to solve the problem in the first place.

[rapid lava]

So what is sdf planning for the gear diff in hr? Bringing back patch 69?

[ember igloo]

eh?
Maybe, but its better than
Adventure (Artifact)
Normals (Squire Hell)
and 1 HR

[tame oxide]

Squire norms. All gear goes into HR.
Only trios.
Game is good

[brave bolt]

Uniques need to be removed and artifacts need to be uniques again

[rapid vapor]

Would you accept the removal of greens?

[whole plaza]

personally id rather have adventure mode be like how tarkov does its PVE mode but i dont think thats possible as of right this second because its basicly its own servers for the PVE mode but if they made it a DLC for the game id easily put down like 10-15 USD for it

[lone heron]

well yeah duh anything would be better than this placeholder-ass setup

[rapid lava]

Fr I'm tired of +20 true DMG bs or 330 Ms with weapons out

[swift hemlock]

just give us

Normals 0-124

PLEASE

[ember igloo]

Welcome to last patch

[wanton otter]

Anyone enjoying the changes? 😊

[brave bolt]

I mean what's the point or greens right now anyway? @rapid vapor

[lone heron]

Trios only isn't necessarily a bad thing if they had stuck to their guns from the get-go, the bracket setup REALLY IS a bad thing.

[mossy hawk]

hows everyone feeling about the forced trios?

[ember igloo]

0-24
25-124
lobbies were fucking goated

[trail flicker]

hi how r u 2 dey?

[wanton otter]

hate it

[whole plaza]

i play PVE its always forced trios so i have no leg in this race

[swift hemlock]

ikr, but 25-124 is pretty empty so i think the combined is pretty nice

[rapid vapor]

Well right now, kind of nothing. They need to figure out the average time it should take to kill a player that would be healthy and balance gear around how much it affects kill times. Or at least that's how I'd handle gear diff

[swift hemlock]

you could bring squire gear to 124 if you want low risk, but you have to get good to kill the higher gear score

[desert orchid]

0-124 was bis

[ember igloo]

0-24 were empty last season too, but I also play early morning where the sweats are still eepy in UK

[desert orchid]

just bring triple wizard and cook the blue bis clerics

[mossy hawk]

honestly yah same like having to que highroller to solo is not the vibe and then normals arent even casual anymore since its just a constant 1v3

[coarse jungle]

hi, which merchant hast de gold coin chest quest?

[swift hemlock]

really? i remember meeting at least 1-2 teams each game in 0-24, but a lot of times we extract without seeing a single person in 124

[ember igloo]

I was just mining tbh

[swift hemlock]

were you playing at the end of the wipe or

[untold fulcrum]

PvE mode replaced the 0-24 basically now. 0-124 124-225 norm and +225 HR FFA would be ideal. Keep the HR like its now but need more options to queue norms not just full white lobbies. Loot should be reduced as well its dumb right now.

[ember igloo]

right before

[mossy hawk]

green normals and blue normals?

[ember igloo]

nah pve & 0-24

[coarse portal]

No they already did that before and it sucked

[untold fulcrum]

Why split queues like that? You can learn and find gear from PvE if u are noob and use it on 0-124 surely?

[rapid vapor]

Tbh I'd rather them just make HR more enjoyable for people. It seems like they want HR to be a huge part of the game, but most people don't want to play it

[rapid lava]

Nah keep loot buffed actually buff it even more. It's hard competing in HR with people who play 24/7

[desert orchid]

hr needs gobbo recovery

[coarse portal]

We don't need low gearscore brackets back. That's why the game is in this mess to begin with. Yall are asking for way too many ques again. We do not have the player count for all of this.

[mossy hawk]

yah i like HR but i dont want to be forced into it just to solo and damn what made the green/blue bad? que times or?

[wanton otter]

Trios only is gonna just be buff ball meta >> buff ball nerfs from public outcry

We've done all this before.

[coarse portal]

Too many game modes for a player count of 15 to 20k. Now if we had 50k up to 100k yeah

[swift hemlock]

i had no problem with the queue time at all, and i see many people every single game

[rapid lava]

Bring back patch 69

[brave bolt]

Top end gear has just gotten out of hand....power creep is absurd and a squish would bring difficulty and enjoyment back

[desert orchid]

they removed squish its common or artifact rn

[tulip plinth]

No, they are gonna add that quest tomorrow as every Thursday

[desert orchid]

patch 69# was abysmal

u could find a unique weapon with lower base dmg than squire wep eith dead roll

[limber jolt]

Because it's an unbalanced mode, pvp lasts a few seconds. And it's almost always a stat check. This game needs to have a skill cap, or they need to go back to using Gear score. But something must be limiting the stats, this game is poorly made.

[shadow crypt]

oh boy, the game is highlt skill gap focused, just killed 190hp cleric with full blue/epic cleric with buckler

[rapid vapor]

They're aware gear diff is a big problem right now. But they've been struggling to find a good spot for it since the game was made

[limber jolt]

Op vs op

[shadow crypt]

i dont even play smite/dp cuz its ass

[rapid vapor]

How good an item is depends more on their rolls than their color

[trail flicker]

Nope. Its almost free to craft blues and purples to however you want

[shadow crypt]

champ armor +11hp chapel de fer +8vig, idk its seems kinda better than gemed blue/purps

[ember igloo]

no pve is just filled with kit builders like me trying something stupid out.
Most of my unique kits are used in PVE

[limber jolt]

There shouldn't be a no stat/gear limit mode. Unlimited mode should be a troll mode just for fun but not a ranked mode.

[rapid vapor]

Why not

[regal oxide]

Anyone here from oceana know the state of player counts? New to the removal of solos and lobbys arnt loading.

[limber jolt]

Because when we talk about ranked mode we are talking about a mode in which players have to prove their worth in combat and pve. It should not be a competition to see who is best dressed to be able to One Shot the enemy without giving him a chance to counterattack. What are we talking about? PvP? Ridiculous!

[rapid vapor]

I mean they could also just adjust gear so it isn't the sole determining factor.

[brave bolt]

PvE
0-blue
Hr

Remove unique and honestly you could even make artifacts as legendaries. There's your fights where skill exists and not 120% magical power gap

[lyric hare]

im a brand new player who really wanted to try the game. i like solo tarkov and was hoping to play solo. is it gone forever and why is it removed????

[ember igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[rapid vapor]

Solo and duos are being removed because the game doesn't have a big enough population to support so many queues

[lyric hare]

is there any chance at them actually reversin it

[ember igloo]

if sdf leaves MAYBE

[desert orchid]

solo servers cost too much to run after nexon lawsuit so they pull de plug

[fallow basin]

Do gold coin chests tend to hold their value?

[lyric hare]

cause playing only trios seems rough, also like how can you trust your team to not just turn on u or take every peice of loot cause i dont got nay friends that play this

[limber jolt]

They need to really balance (not the barbarian bullshit) and they need to reintroduce a cap whether it's Gear or stat. And the only HR mode needs to have a cap! The Players must choose the best equipment based on the limitations imposed by the mode.

[versed sundial]

Dont even waste your time, the developer is delusional and dare I say worse than nikita.

[desert orchid]

its meta to kill the 3rd guy as soon as u win a fight so u dont share any loot

[lyric hare]

shame

[rapid vapor]

Okay, but why can't they just design high end gear to just give a good advantage? Why bother with a cap that effectively nullifies the point of gear because you'd just build a capped out gear set

[queen zephyr]

game is dead uninstall go find something else to play

[lyric hare]

it looks fun tho thats so tragic

[versed sundial]

I hope the game keeps declining so they can lay in the bed they created, they deserve to go out of business because they don’t listen to their players.

[lyric hare]

do they ever read discord

[rapid vapor]

Yes. Graysun was just in here a few nights ago

[lyric hare]

do they ever respond to feedback like making the game unplayable for new players unless they have 2 other friends

[limber jolt]

Because they can't. If you think that some classes in squire gear can almost oneshot a player, tell me how you then balance the higher colored gear from green and up? A sorcerer's ball does 100hp damage in squire gear. Do we want to talk about barbarians etc? Lol

[split turtle]

yuh he was having a very productive convo about how his job is harder than manual labor

[versed sundial]

Not sure, i think SDF just does whatever he wants because he has a big ass ego and thinks hes a genius.

[glass silo]

7k on steamdb is crazy, its dyin alr

[lyric hare]

i mean he's probably a millionare bc of this game

[flat condor]

Many languages in the world but bro chose to speak facts

[mossy hawk]

👌

[ember igloo]

in game its 5.7k wdym?

[brave bolt]

Yep and I shot a barb with 3 crossbow hits and 4 spear shots in squire gear and lost that fight, balanced as all things should be 🥲

[sage jacinth]

Its funny that sdf said: I will listen to your feedback players

1 week later he announces to delete the most played gamemode

[limber jolt]

This is what makes me hate this game.

[lyric hare]

aight its cooked ig i dont get a chance to play the game they made pce

[glass silo]

Its only mid wipe and its alr only 5k is crazy bro

[ember igloo]

Hey is Fallout 76 still unplayable?

[limber jolt]

He also said he would communicate more. He said the bullshit and disappeared.

[sage jacinth]

Yes. It got abandoned

[trail flicker]

No he commented on it in his sdf's kitchen channel

[rapid vapor]

If I were to do it I'd try to determine the average time or number of hits a player should kill another player. Pick a class to act as a balancing focal point, say fighter should kill a fighter in 5 body shots with an arming sword. Adjust the other classes around that concept. Barbs kill in 2-3 body shots against a fighter etc. then design gear around adjusting that ttk. So a top end fighter vs a top end fighter will still take 5 shots. But a top end fighter against a squire fighter may take 2 shots. And when I say top end I mean all uniques and maybe an artifact. It would take a lot of fine tuning but it's very doable

[limber jolt]

Yes I think there should be different damage depending on the class. The way the system is now, if you increase the TTk for the heavier classes, they will be very long to kill for a light class. But a light class will always be super fast to kill which is not good.

If it were my game I would make all the fights long. Because they are the most fun and skill based.

[woven patrol]

Hi lads quick question for returnin person, is there gonna be no more solos and duos?

[swift hemlock]

yes

[sage jacinth]

Yes, until sdf makes a U turn

[limber jolt]

Yes, dead game

[swift hemlock]

bad time to return ngl

[versed sundial]

Go spend your time elsewhere. Game deserves its downfall.

[flat condor]

"So, whenever I got the chance, I kept insisting every day that we should remove solo and duo queues." citation by sdf

[woven patrol]

Thats pity really. What caused the problem tho?

[swift hemlock]

his lack of brain

[versed sundial]

SDF.

[limber jolt]

SDF = soon die forever

[rapid vapor]

I think faster and lighter classes dying faster is fine because those classes have the ability to put themselves in situations that are advantageous for them. The problem with long fights is the longer you're fighting the higher the chances are that you'll be third partied. Which is why figuring out an average healthy ttk is the hardest part.

[limber jolt]

The third party is not a problem if the TTk is long because you have ways to counterattack and find solutions.

[brave bolt]

I mean the problem is new classes are supposed to be op at launch and then nerfed, but they forgot the 2nd part

[ember igloo]

Can I play it and have fun?
Can I get an experience out of it?
Can I play with my friends and have fun?

If you answered yes to all 3 of them, then its Playable.

[woven patrol]

Lol. Well i loved this game so much. But i also see that population is not much.

[swift hemlock]

i wana be able to go for melee on a barbarian after cursing him 4 times, hit em with 3 bolt of darkness, and not get one shotted if i do

[sage jacinth]

Why dont game-devs apply the rules of free games anymore?
Like if you want cosmetics, buy them. The rest is 100% skill.

[cunning summit]

anyone know where the human remains are for the quest?

[sage jacinth]

1. Kinda
2. No
3. Maybe

Thats to it.

[ember igloo]

because tf2 is honestly, the last game I know that does that.

[versed sundial]

We all loved this game so much. Its like standing next to your stubborn dying grandmother on her deathbed.

[brave bolt]

Thanks for the laugh lmfao

[sage jacinth]

Buh you are mistaken. Many games apply this.

[ember igloo]

thats still around

[rapid vapor]

I mean there's a balance there. I'm not saying you should hit a barb 10 times and still have to hit him 2 or 3 more times with a sword. And I'm also not saying a barb should 1 shot body shot any class. But if you have brought him down to 1 shot and decide to go into melee you're still at an advantage because you're still faster. Besides the barb should have a natural advantage in melee

[limber jolt]

Impossible, you have to make sure you've done 140 hp damage to him first, then maybe if he doesn't One Shot you can do something. Barb skills!

[swift hemlock]

i know, i was just saying what is happening right now in the game (literally yesterday)

[woven patrol]

Well, as i can see community of the game is loving as always.

[swift hemlock]

oh and also hes faster than me with his axe out, when i am barefisted

[stark wagon]

why in the world is normals pvp trios only? who even thinks of these changes. for someone who has loved this game in the past its allready dead enough, i dosent need to be killed even more

[limber jolt]

This game is a joke. And it will soon fail as it should.

[sage jacinth]

Lets see. Counter Strike, Fortnite, League of Legends, Dota are for one still around, apply round based gaming and are still free.
Maybe DnD needs a revamp in exactly this direction.

[opal patrol]

Start playing classes that can dip them, rogue (double jump, invis) Druid (panther x2 dashes) sorc (tp) it’s not that bad man

[sage jacinth]

Like a "Clean Slate" Queue would be interesting. Starting with no Gear, just 2 Health pots

[limber jolt]

Yes meta abuser, super fun! I want to play the class I love.

[opal patrol]

Shits fucked, no shit it has been for a while but if ur still playing and not actively trying to counter shit idk what to say, don’t complain?

[rapid vapor]

The issue is you don't really have time to counter attack of prepare. A proper third party situation happens as you finish killing the last team or before then even. Keep in mind if 2 people are on you then the time to kill you is halved and the time for you to kill them doubled. Also the chances of being third partied goes up dramatically the longer the fight is because the last party cleared the way to you

[ember igloo]

CSgo died for cs2, which is worse.
Fortnite, fair
League, toxic
Dota 2, fair

[trail flicker]

Just bad then. Game is balanced. Imagine a good player saying that? rofl

[ember igloo]

Me as a warlock, using zweihander.

[sinful gull]

I want to once again say.. that 224/blue max/purp max was INCREDIBLY well balanced before the 1st barb patch. Druid could still cheese and cleric has been busted for a long time, but man that was as good as balance ever was... until they hotfixed barb and removed the most balanced ques we had. And solo/duo specifically had the best balance until they buffed barb. shows how random sdfs patches are

[sage jacinth]

Playerbase is not dying there tho.

Maybe sdf should really introduce a Queue or smth like Ranked, where people all have the same Character ( Like all rounder ) and chance of clearing a dungeon, possibility of picking up Spells, losing points when dying and that keeps People engaged.

[limber jolt]

It took just a few times with barb for me to understand that there are classes that literally have free kills without any effort, which is ridiculous and far from any competitiveness.

[sage jacinth]

Look at Druid. SDF's favourite. You can morph into a rat, pop up behind someone, cast infinite healing spells, buff yourself to the point, you cant be killed, and slash someone with panther and bear speed.

[limber jolt]

Yes yes, this is embarrassing. It should be the same for all classes. There should be no classes that are better at everything than others.

[sour sapphire]

what made barb so strong in solos?

[limber jolt]

The fact that even dressed as a squire kit you can easily oneshot any light class even dressed as a bis. Then he is super fast and slows down enemies. If he kills you he heals.

[sage jacinth]

You cant fight a Driud in a good spot, when he warps into a rat and disappears with Dreamwalk once you hit him

[limber jolt]

Just play around corners or camp in the dark. Stop.

[brave bolt]

Some classes are just better in commons (barb). That changes drastically with gear though

[sage jacinth]

No you cant lol. Driud casts Walls if you chase him, roots you and spawns treants to distract

[fair dagger]

nah cuz normals is just the Battle Royal mode they originally planned

[limber jolt]

No if you camp like all rogues or campers barbarians do, you don't need too much equipment

[fair dagger]

RIP to DnD

[sage jacinth]

They should have gone for classic Battle Royale tbh.

[woeful wren]

The only classes i can see catching a (skilled) retreating druid are all the ranged ones, and they all suffer of the same problem. Panther druid melts them.

[sage jacinth]

There is absolutely 0 Reason for you to argument that. Just balance every role to be the same strength, and thats it. It shouldn't be this cheezy for Druids.

Ranking the Classes, I'd Say Druid is S+ Tier in every aspect.

[surreal dove]

am i the only one to be stuck to "connecting" while im trying to get into the game?

[fair dagger]

True invis needs to get roemoved, Ranger is too strong, barbs 70%PDR skill should be removed

[autumn wigeon]

one queue per class

[fair dagger]

true

[sage jacinth]

That would be very bland

[woeful wren]

Invis is the only reason wizard can survive anything at all

[jovial latch]

whats better morning star or flanged mace

[fair dagger]

no we mean, no double ranger trios, and that isnt TRUE invis dummy it ticks his location every second

[woeful wren]

Wasnt HR one class only, im guessing by true invis you mean rogue then.

[sinful gull]

lol guys check the last post in fan art

[sage jacinth]

[cloud topaz]

hopefully the trio only in hr only lasts a week

[sage jacinth]

After the backlash on his post in Discord, I hope it doesnt even get changed

[cloud topaz]

hopefully

[fair dagger]

Honestly let the game die now... This is P{ROOF he dont care about what we want at all, just brnded update after another

[sage jacinth]

Tbh, for single Devs that magically get very wealthy its hard for them to maintain stability in the development. I think sdf's sparetime increased drastically, and he just goes to party or eats pizza & drinks every day.

[woeful wren]

They had to pay 5 million just recently

[fair dagger]

sure it can be hard, but they do not make it easy for themselves or for us who try to help. Talk to us before every update. keep up in the REAL loop. They do not talk to us at all until absolutley nuking everything

[woeful wren]

Assuming everyone on steam release bought legendary status at the highest steam peak thats 1.714.230 oof fairly short of the 5 million court order from feb

[fair dagger]

yea no they are fine off the money. that has been admitted

[sage jacinth]

5 Million is crazy, but he still made 13 Million in revenue...

[woeful wren]

Not counting other fees, court fees, and other things ofc, thats just the raw court fee order.

[fair dagger]

bro moondancer. the money is the LEAST of their worries. They admittred it

[sage jacinth]

Not counting the extra sales from epic games or the webpage tbh. So 13 Million falls a bit short.

[woeful wren]

I disagree considering how obsessed they been lately with cutting servers

[cinder solstice]

i think sdf knows they are on borrowed time so he figured F it, ill go out with a bang doing what i want

[fair dagger]

Bro are you dumb? they are cutting servers because no one plays anymoer and Queue times are to ohigh with plentifuil servers

[sage jacinth]

Its been like that because of constant playerbase decline. They ordered Servers for 100k people, and need to sell most of them to maintain balance.

[lone heron]

I'd take their word for it on the money front. As...unwise as he is, sdf wouldn't be acting like he can tank a tiny player count just fine and doubling down on choices he knows will lose them players if he didn't have a plan and the money to back it up

[woeful wren]

That wasnt the experience in solo's or duos during prime time, the server cut is either entirely economical decission or entirely selfish for his own trio experience. Either way he is lying

[fair dagger]

They are just lazy and tanking the game in their own way because they are most likely making a whole nother game and gave up on this, moondancer you are too optomistic. they gave up on you get over it

[sinful gull]

Which is fine. But I feel like he goes back and forth between that and coming back to the game and fulfill his "vision" as the Lord of DaD. I get it bro you made a couple of millions you wanna live the life.. just let somebody else do the dev work then.. He says he doesnt have time to play the game and is bad at it anyway.. bro why do you still have a vision then? give the game to those who actually like it.

[sage jacinth]

DaD 2 announcement will be wild.

[ember igloo]

I just rolled a barb with a zweihander, chat am i cooked?

[cloud topaz]

so what is where is everyone gonna go are we going to steel and sorcery

[fair dagger]

no LOL steel and Sorc is garbage. ARC Raiders is next for sure

[lone heron]

"Now we know it never came out. But let us cook. Sequel."

[woeful wren]

DaD 2 wont happen dark and darker stands entirely on stolen code and store assets, the dev team lacks the skill or knownledge to program much at all, i mean they couldnt figure out a quiver.

[ember igloo]

sdf announced he has made a ham sandwich

[fair dagger]

The fantasy Extraction has a pin in it for now in my mind. DnD had it all and threw it away

[lone heron]

Hey why can't I get a straight fucking answer on where the banshee is??? No one will tell me, it just points to a module I've searched inside and out when I google, and all the tutorial videos don't show them entering or leaving so I can't figure out where the entrance is. Someone said there's a false door somewhere??? but I cant' find it.

[round dock]

why didn't they just increase arrow capacity from 20 to 100 or something. ez fix until quiver..

[cloud topaz]

what

[woeful wren]

Banshee is on a module with two staircases and a single wizard protecting a ress table, shes downstairs, the module has no red stairs or blue exits, its always one of the middle ones not edge ones.

[lone heron]

I've been pointed to the great hall module this whole time, what!??? I know the one, I just revived my bf there literally hours ago. Ugh, was she ever in the great hall module?

[fair dagger]

genius

[woeful wren]

Lol shes downstairs, you shall see a door with gylphs on it, shes behind that.

[timid ridge]

SDF GETS NO POON

[fair dagger]

SDF really shoulda sold DnD to someone who wanted to do amazing things with it

[ember igloo]

Valve

[sour sapphire]

When new content?

[sage jacinth]

Valve would have crushed the whole source code, and made a new game out of it, taking DaD Down and releasing a whole new thing.

[astral dock]

lol

[lone heron]

this doesn't really feel like it's fully up their ally. the way the melee works does seem kinda their style but everything else they would kinda botch IMO. if we're talking big studios...riot might could. Their domain is kinda weird and unique games in crowded genres. Live services all the way down too

[sage jacinth]

Noones gonna buy a game, dying, uncompleted and with a court order.

[lone heron]

what's the court order about anyway, I wasn't around when that started idk what's going on with that

[sage jacinth]

Its because Ironmace got accused of stealing Souce-Code from Nexon. Project P3, which got halted by Nexon. Some dudes took it, and released it on their grounds.

[woeful wren]

Nexon claimed they stole code from a project game, they were found guilty of copyright infrigement or something and have to pay 5 million dollars or 8.5 million won

[fair dagger]

that is why i said he SHOULD have sold way before , back when it had 120k players daily

[sage jacinth]

The court case would have dated backwards to sdf again. So no gain

[fair dagger]

bro it would have been smart still relax

[sage jacinth]

Buyer could also turn around and force sdf to pay the buying price back and take the game. So yeah. Selling would have made everything worse.

[fair dagger]

No lol, you are thinking VERY pessimisticaly

[sage jacinth]

Lol Yes. This is how things work

[fair dagger]

No lmao, You have no idea. Sell to right person? Game goes no where but up. keep in hands of wrong person. game goes down. we are watching it in real time

[sage jacinth]

Selling a stolen car makes you pay back the buyer of the stolen car and also the victim.

[fair dagger]

They were innocent on any stolen accusation so you sound stupid

[woeful wren]

They were found guilty of trade secret infrigement wich is indeed stealing

[sage jacinth]

The "trade secret infringement" court order is just a blue flag, which means stealing.

[fair dagger]

Bro they were not guilty of copyright infringement against Nexon. However, the court found Ironmace liable for misappropriating Nexon's trade secrets

[sage jacinth]

"I dont wanna sound guilty, please make something up, so I dont lose all players."

Ok, instead of theft, its copyright.

[woeful wren]

Yes, taking trade secrets is infact stealing.

[fair dagger]

You need to look up the definition of misappropriating

[woeful wren]

If i join a bakery and learn their bread recipe, then open my own bakery using their secret bread recipe, i infact stole their information for my own gain

[ember igloo]

Deadlock 2

[fair dagger]

That isnt what they did tho, Bro yall really do not know what happened do you

[sage jacinth]

Wait for Deadlock 1 Please 😂

[woeful wren]

misappropriated; misappropriating; misappropriates
Synonyms of misappropriate
transitive verb

: to appropriate wrongly (as by theft or embezzlement)*

[ember igloo]

wdym its already in my library

[sage jacinth]

Only playtesters and friends of playtesters. I dont have it and cant play it.

[fair dagger]

all that is are synonmys of the word what. Watch a yt vid on the court situation lol youll learn a lot

[woeful wren]

Theft- stealing

[sage jacinth]

court order - guilty

[fair dagger]

instead of listening to random people to your own research

[ember igloo]

Listen, This, is, not, a, question, I, Have, tried, and, i, have, failed.

[woeful wren]

Misapropiating someone else's property is stealing

[ember igloo]

So what you are sayingis

[fair dagger]

an idea is not property

[ember igloo]

the nhs, has misappropriate my appointment and is now giving me an lesser appropriation of my appointment on the 6th of june.
Once again.

[woeful wren]

You are using the word in a context not reffering to property, thus changing its meaning.

[tulip dagger]

are the mystical gems and golden key chest still broken the chests were always empty like 5 games in a row someone else was talking about the same thing

[sage jacinth]

Can I DM you based on Deadlock?

[woeful wren]

Trade secrets are infact legal property, wich is why they were ORDERED to PAY 5 MILLION IN DAMAGES, ya dumdum.

[ember igloo]

SO WHAT YOUR SAYING, IS THAT IM MISAPPROPIATING A MEANING.

[fair dagger]

deadlock has 17k players peak this month wdym its not out

[sage jacinth]

Its not out

[ember igloo]

Those Steam Pirates

[woeful wren]

I dont even know what you are arguing, in this context, misapropiating is reffering to stealing someone's else property or using it in ways that werent intended.

[fair dagger]

Bro YOU clearly did not follow the legal battle that was held. The only reason they are called secrets are because NExon was jealous of success and found a legal loophole to take money form the project. You are so ignorant bro

[sage jacinth]

No, Deadlock is just a Snowball-System Game currently

People have to actively invite someone to play it.

[ember igloo]

Congrats you should get the joke about now.

[sage jacinth]

So yeah, if anyone has it, I'd love an invite to Deadlock 😄

[woeful wren]

" While the court found that Ironmace did not violate Nexon's copyright, it did order Ironmace to pay Nexon 8.5 billion won (approximately $5.8 million USD) in damages for trade secret infringement. "- News

[ember igloo]

The Ham Sandwich Recipe

[fair dagger]

You are just reading words from the internet, you havent seenthe interviews, heard the courts and lawyers, followed the twitter updates. You are just a sheep brotha

[honest stratus]

its pretty easy to find ppl who can invite you to it and there are tons of videos or tiktoks of ppl saying their steam names or something so u can get the code

[main raven]

I think its fine for Invis potions, but I do think both Hide and Bard's Song of Shadow shouldn't make you totally invisible if you're standing in a lit area

[woeful wren]

Idk what drugs you are on bro, but they must be fine af. The fact is they had to pay by court of law and were found guilty of something. Cry me a river.

[mossy wing]

Everone, Please maintain resepct in here, thank you

[fair dagger]

no one doin a thing for you lmao. you jus tyappin about soemthing you have zero idea bout. and it is SO OBVIOUS

[main raven]

They ARE paying Nexon money though lmao

[woeful wren]

Hes copin dont worry

[edgy kraken]

this common gear limit sucks man :C

[ember igloo]

Nice arguement armstrong, how about you provide a sauce.

[fair dagger]

How am i copin? im not payin anyone. You just do not know what the legal battle even was you just read things

[main raven]

I really love it, but there should be a tier higher that isn't throwing you into Catice lobbies

[woeful wren]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=dark+and+darker+court+order

[misty stump]

what was the goal behind it even, the moment you get green gear you get sent to hr??

[main raven]

Like I said, Ironmace IS paying Nexon some money. This is non-disputable and a literal fact.

I don't know what it was for, exactly, but they ARE paying

[fair dagger]

No body said that they werent bro what are you talking about. this is a fact we ALL know buddy

[edgy kraken]

yeah, I suppose I just miss running blue/green gear to get ready for HR

[misty stump]

i hadnt tried hr before so i just went in with blue gear and i almost folded to a goblin

[main raven]

So uh, what the hell are you even trying to argue? lmao

[ember igloo]

you need a full row of pots and bandages

[fair dagger]

Bruh if you are curious go up and read every message tf?

[lone heron]

how do u dodge the biiiig swing spectre knight does sometimes, I can't even crouch jump it

[main raven]

Goblins are easy, at least when it comes down to Nightmare enemies. Skeletons are a lot scarier though, and anything in the Frost Caves is Satan

[honest stratus]

lol me too but i went with squire gear and died in like 3 hits with sorcerer it was pretty funny ngl had a good laugh

[ember igloo]

there is 17 conversations going on at once.

[misty stump]

lmao yea its crazy

[main raven]

So the answer is nothing. Got it lmao

[sinful gull]

Common is very fun but i think uncommon max as the lowest bracket would be better. As long as we have PVE, common is a bit overkill imo. I like uncommon-> 224GS norms(or bluemax) -> purpmax HR -> open...

[fair dagger]

Go read why would i explain a 30 minute conversation to someone who wasnt even apart of it. get lost lol

[honest stratus]

sorcerer is very good in frost caves bc i can kinda play with squire gear and one shot most enemies but if they get close to me i insta die 😂

[ember igloo]

Common is fun when you absolutely read the barb like a book

[woeful wren]

They basically made greens-blues near meaningless outside of PVE.

[main raven]

I don't even like Greens thanks to everything rolling movespeed now for some reason. Keep the lowest tier at commons until they fix gear not being stupid

[main raven]

Warlock isn't AS good as Sorc at killing Skeletons, but with a TM build he can do it a lot safer than Sorcs can

[solar sluice]

hey if i may ask what happens if i uninstalled the game from the epic launcher and i want to transfer the account ?

[sinful gull]

honestly, yeah ms rolls change everything about that... honestly the game has been torn appart by sdf the past 5-7 patches its gg

[main raven]

The argument you were attempting to make should be somewhat easy to explain. If it isn't easy to explain, then you're just baiting

[molten marlin]

green pickaxe? straight to HR

[fair dagger]

bro you are yappin at this point

[misty stump]

is it even hr if everyone with green and blue gear are pulling up

[woeful wren]

He doesnt know what he was arguing he just found me calling "taking trade secrets" as stealing objectionable

[main raven]

Definitely the pot calling the kettle black lmao, your recent post history is about as concise as a schitzophrenic.

[fair dagger]

uh yea bro...

[limber jolt]

AT THIS POINT I WISH THEY FAIL! sdf HAVE TO GO!

[honest stratus]

i see that could be nice to try out but i really want to learn to pvp but dont know what to do because there isnt normal solo or even duos anymore because if i go to HR i need 100% of my focus on pve and probably need to play something like sorcerer or maybe warlock so i can even kill the pve but i would like to do pvp with other classes then those

[main raven]

He definitely doesn't sound like he has a solid argument, thats for damn sure. Welp, block list it is.

[woeful wren]

Id rather the game didnt fail, atleast untill a suitable replacement gets released anyway.

[fair dagger]

yappaholic this one

[main raven]

The correct answer is waiting a week until SDF reverts all this garbage

[fair dagger]

just play something else

[misty stump]

ive had the game for ages but right when i actually got into it everything starts going to shit lol

[woeful wren]

Its already been review bombed, mixed across the board.

[sinful gull]

steam review is the only way to get our opinion out. Suggestion or discussion channel is only for our yapping. I got my review bomb out and even added a bit more shame for the p2w shit after they turned F2P into a full scam again last patch.

[honest stratus]

i mean i have read the "sdfs kitchen" channel atleast some of it so they might not revert it because they are talking about how its almost impossible to balance the game when it was made for trios and basically every queue is different like druid and thief are op in solos but trios they are kinda bad

[olive light]

Thats a terrible excuse

[fair dagger]

Myaah i see you are cultured

[sinful gull]

Yeah i think that excuse is ridiculous.. do you buy it? There was never a contradiction, he allways fixed the wrong problems and says its because he tries to balance solo and trio at the same time as cope. Look at cleric.. its busted in both, its very clear it shouldnt have slow on hit and the most melee dmg, would fixing that ruin trio? no healing is what makes him op in trio.. so why isnt that patched?

[olive light]

Of course. I’m looking foward to play the superior game and let these devs kill their own game

[fair dagger]

agreed. ARC Raiders is gonna be the best game this year imo. I fear midnight wont have a player base

[sinful gull]

like druid too.. is there NOOOO way how you could make it stronger in trio as healer without buffing panther dmg? ssdf just doesnt understand the game and deflects his mistakes onto us

[jovial latch]

why are rogues so op

[honest stratus]

yeah they are kind of just saying random stuff but i can kind of understand it bc its probably really hard to try to balance classes so they would be balanced for every queue unless they do something like different stat values for each queue maybe but that would probably be a pain to code

[olive light]

Neither did rust when it first launched, but they consistently put out great updates and people got hooked to it

[fair dagger]

Don't even ask me how many hours i got in that horrid game (9000)

[olive light]

This game is just getting worse and worse. Don’t really see the future of it

[true shard]

it's really not hard to balance though, not in the slightest. just change numbers a tiny bit in a balancing pass every week. go in to the notepad and adjust a value and you're good. but ironmace is physically incapable of doing this

[fair dagger]

None of us do really

[coarse portal]

Sdf is full of shit if they wanted they game to succeed they shouldn't waste time adding and removing MS and plus all 6 times now. Or wasting time going back and forth with all theses updates. He can't say anything about his vision of the game when he added pve to the mix. Or saying they shouldn't have added solo or duos. We'll guess what you did add them and now that makes up more than half the player base. So you screw your vision and just worry about what little playerbase you have. Dude makes these huge changes like he has 100k plus players. 15k or 20k is not enough to make such huge changes and to do them mid wipe is insane

[fair dagger]

He juggles the same six additions and subtractions calling it a vision

[lone heron]

does the boss heal if u leave arena

[true shard]

yes

[fair dagger]

yes every boss. every time

[viscid oak]

anyone else getting a lot of client crashes?

[fleet surge]

Where can I see which artifacts drop from wyvern?

[flint iris]

Game will die this season RIP

[fair dagger]

Search Dark and Darker wiki

[honest stratus]

i mean yeah im just saying my oppinion i got no clue how to code or balance games i just play them and tbh i didnt really care what was broken or not i just liked playing this game but now that they removed solos its really hard unless i go trios and probably get griefed or go in HR and die in the first room to pve

[olive light]

Making a game for himself to enjoy rather than for the consumers, crazy crazy

[viscid oak]

whatever they change it to they will change it again after wipe

[sinful gull]

Yeah, i get it. But try to think of ONE example.. its a myth. Im convinced we could have both. Bard for example, used to be busted in trios now is still very good but since they nerfed all the passive buffs its ok... So that is one of those changes were you nerf him trio but less in solo and now he is pretty ok. I look at druid and just buff individual heal/buff spells and nerf/remove the ability to leap while midair. No more door cheese, no more extra speed. Its basically fixed or nah? Why cant sdf do that? why do we have to remove solo beacuse he cant do that?lol

[lone heron]

man I haven't even seen a phase change.

[flint iris]

Yes but when ist end wipe ? I ready July they keep Losing player

[fleet surge]

It says the current loot info is out of date on wiki

[true shard]

ye i didn't mean to attack you soz
what i mean is every other competitive game will do this. dota 2 for example will reduce a hero's base damage from 54 to 53, and pro players will make a 20 minute analysis video on this change.
it really is not this hard to balance the game. take 1 damage off of an OP weapon, reduce a stat by 1 for a class that is too powerful, etc. IM just can not comprehend this, so we instead got infinite yoyo balancing

[obtuse yacht]

Potion of Resurrection Recipe: Erase Swarm in HR this isn't Fornite & return Solo Duo Que. Focus in Balance classes on trios, just advice in solo/duo can be unbalanced cause the game is balanced for trios.

[honest stratus]

yeah thats true and i think mostly this is happening because they dont listen to the community atleast alot so they just make random fixes and hope for the best but they should just do polls or stuff and ask the community for what they want or something

[quaint patio]

Kinda sad atm for new player 🙂 Strated the game like 2-3 week ago, started to really enjoy solo Q , farming stuff / gold and playing sometime with friend
Now, ive tried solo HR, its just impossible fo rme to enjoy the game cant event do the pve correctly because i dont even know the all the patterns mobs boss or trash x)

[fair dagger]

Last wipe was BiS, game ded now

[sinful gull]

yeah true

[honest stratus]

yeah that would be a good start if they did that

[obtuse yacht]

Ok is a early acces but we pay for a game with solo duo trio ques

[olive light]

Instead of speculating what content they will add next, lets just guess what will they remove!

[exotic ermine]

bro can we make the game fun again please

[frail jay]

the vision: going back and forth for 3 years milking everything he can, even the fun out of the game. And you're so right man, the vision was lost as soon as they decided to implement hr too for example, not just solos/duos and pve. I dont mean hr is bad or something but it wasnt planned originally, they just didnt thought that some tryhards would buy a purple weapon every run to stomp new players so they had to adapt. Idk why hes holding the game back so hard when he knows it, I dont even know how he even says the word "vision" or created a channel called "sdf's kitchen" (it looks like hes trying to "ragebait" us)

[olive light]

No sorry, you payed for sdf’s vision not for fun game

[exotic ermine]

but it was fun when i paid for it @olive light

[honest stratus]

i mean they just need to add back solo and duos and its fine i mean yeah some classes are more broken then others but so what atleast i can play the game and have fun even if i sometimes run in to a druid or landmine rogue who one shots me

[sinful gull]

I agree overall. But lets stop calling the problem "back and forth" it is SDFs incompency, we never needed all those steps back if he didnt completely brick it with some of these patches... The step back is just the community shit storming after his blunders. But yeah forcing HR on casuals is one of SDFs orignial stupid ideas.

[delicate surge]

Vision: trio only looter extraction game.
Result: Sweats doing nothing but solo/duo, boss farm runs.
Response: Removes solo/duo.
Reaction: Tism screeches from community.

[tulip dagger]

so the Gem room is still broken 6 gems where the chest was completely empty

[exotic ermine]

Where did this trio only vision come from because i sure as hell never read that

[honest stratus]

it was originally a trios game they later added solos and duos but they have been in the game for a long time now

[fleet fox]

Yea but if u don't have people to play with 1v3 is never in ur favor to be fair

[delicate surge]

Ever tried Tarkov? Extraction looters we're never meant to be fair, they're meant to be cruel.

[exotic ermine]

not when i bought it and not in any decription or any advertisment for the game.

@delicate surge trash take tbh

[delicate surge]

Oh yeah, cause its unfair when it happens to you. Bet you're laughing hard asf if you the trio chasing the single dude. C'mon, double standards ;).

[manic prism]

It's been solo/duos for year's, don't do that u ginger rat

[exotic ermine]

i dont play trios so no. lol./

[delicate surge]

Responded to the wrong message?

[honest stratus]

i mean im not sure if they ever addvertised it but it was originally meant to be a trios only but the matchmaking was weird or something so you would play 1v3 unless you had friends who you could invite in your party and play with them or something like that so they added solos and duos bc of that im pretty sure

[exotic ermine]

doubt it

[sinful gull]

i could go deep on this, but i give you a basic idea... He did say it since playtest..goblin caves came out and they said basically "we didnt wanna make solo but since MOST players play solo in DAD we made a solo map".. meanwhile all we wanted back then was solo crypts btw... that everytime he reverts a patch he bsaiclly blames solo players for it even if it has nothing to do with it. early this wipe he still said they are trying to focus more on solo balance. So unless you are nolifing dad since day 1 the chance you would have known is low..

[tulip dagger]

the gem room has been broken since they made only 1 HR !!! all golden key rooms are empty and all gem rooms are empty no chance for named items

[trail ibex]

Ive played tarkov, at least in that game you always have the chance to one top a geared player if you have the initiative. In D&D the same scenario is a guaranteed defeat for the undergeared player because there's no way around stat checking

[ashen willow]

they added GC for solos only, which was good. they could have done that now

[delicate surge]

True, stat checks are a thing here. But then again, nothing's impossible, even in this game. Plenty of youtubers going around showing zero to hero runs, so the gear thingy never really bothered me to much.

[exotic ermine]

to be clear im nto arguing it wasnt a trio game or intended to be, but me as a consumer was not made aware of this at all and there was nothing to lead me to beleive so if i didnt do weird origin story deep research for no reason

[tulip dagger]

the gem room has been broken since they made only 1 HR !!! all golden key rooms are empty and all gem rooms are empty no chance for named items

[honest stratus]

yeah no idea why they didnt tbh

[exotic ermine]

still never opened a gem room, you were prob just too late and someone looted it first

/s

[tulip dagger]

its been 6 gems in a row and none of the mob was cleared

[delicate surge]

It makes sense what you're saying to be fair, but the game was never really intended for solo/duo. That's something that is now being referred to when people ask why solo/duo is being removed.

I personally think its only temporary, I mean, when it actually happens and the playercount drops, they'll probably revert their decision.

[manic prism]

No, only 1 of 2 chests have loot, u don't just turn up late to a gem room lmao

[exotic ermine]

/s

/s = universal sign for sarcastic remark

[sinful gull]

That is precisely why i review bomb this.. and F2P users,too. F2P cant use gear anymore since last patch and they STILL call it f2p. And there are thousands who bought the game with no idea they could ever remove such essential parts from this game. Its bad business, very shady stuff.

[trail ibex]

But that possibility is not only negligeable but also utterly outside your control.

You dont even have a robust melee combat system like mordhau with parries, riposts and chambers that would allow a skilled naked player wielding a 1hp training sword to defeat the most poweful build in the game. I know that from experience because i played mordhau since it was a pre alpha f2p demo on unity.

[frail jay]

yeah he did that too, massive changes that noone asked mid wipe just to revert it after the cries. But I mean, like u said, how many times u need to test all stats, movement speed (one of the real problems with solo gameplay) and other bs like that? Repoze has a video where he shows how they buffed/nerfed +5 axe dmg to barb like 47284 f times. Making classes be op on rotation the laziest way the could. And if everything has to go thru sdf to get released I understand cause these changes are the easiest to apply and they "buy" some time, but at some point is just stupid. No real new content, the content that gets released doesnt work most of the times or no one asked for it and literally back and forth all the time to create stupid metas instead of trying to really balance things. How much time they need to rework rogue/druid so solos is playable and they dont have an excuse? Idk just put that man on perma holiday or something while getting paid so he doesnt feel the need to comeback xd

[manic prism]

Wow

[tulip dagger]

so is the gem room and golden key room both glitched cause they both empty every time im

[exotic ermine]

yea im at 3k hours on steam and have had a 1 star spicy reveiw since nam lol, updated to match current issues a couple of times too lol