game-discussion

[main raven]

Doesn't even matter if its leg shots, you're NOT eating nine Panther hits without dying in Squire SORC dude

[rustic basalt]

I'll ask again, differently this time. Why does removing peoples prefered playstyle make the game better? What changes?

[gray pier]

I literally two shot any sorcerer with squire set with almost any melee class xd

[abstract apex]

Nerf wizard and smite

[grand shadow]

They have been making balance changes based on solos, they have been taking advice from people who only play solo, and most importantly they have split the playerbase into too many queues because they tried to give us solos/duos

[gray pier]

sorcerer, a couple enemies from the hell, and a new zone to the castle

[rustic basalt]

So forcing people to play the game the way you want them to seems like the best option?

[main raven]

He's just making shit up at this point. Panther does 28 damage at base, assuming the Druid in question has zero AGI built (which is unlikely), not to mention the bleed damage you're taking that stacks twice.

Even with leg shots you're taking over 150 damage (not counting bleed damage)

[potent canopy]

You know PDR exists right

[grand shadow]

Game was always meant to be 3v3, forcing solo/duo to be a thing has been killing this game

[obtuse shuttle]

source : lead dev said it (he does not like this approach)

[crimson vessel]

how so?

[shy rampart]

how often does the religion leaderboard reset?

[main raven]

You said SQUIRE. At best you've got about 20% on Sorc, and that only cuts that shit down to 120 damage, and that's assuming the Panther has NO extra Agi and that he only hit you in the legs.

Again, no video proof, that shit did NOT happen

[wide walrus]

forced trios auto trios random trios whatever you want to call it it is no fun and everyone knows this serious players do not use that and make progress solo players got punished for no good reason so i uninstalled that is all ..?

[umbral comet]

They need to add solo back 😮” it’s killing the game “ how the hell is a solo ruining the game

[obtuse shuttle]

seen a bunch of videos on yt before this patch even dropped and a lot of people seem to agree on the fact that the lead dev has been killing this game

idk tho, started thursday, definitely feels like they're onto something though

[potent canopy]

works out to be about right, tanked 5/6 with 1/5hp remaining so about 9 panther hits in squire yeah?

[abstract apex]

solo players expecting dev time to be put into balancing solos/duos.

When the game is trios/arena based. so y'know what death to solo/duos No more free farm lobbies.

[main raven]

A full plate Squire Cleric is gonna be dead in nine panther hits lmao. You're gonna be dead in four at most

[wide walrus]

maybe in order for trios to do better solos needed a nerf maybe thats it

[grand shadow]

That's because all the sociable players, the casual players, and people who just aren't insufferable megasweats have already quit this game. All that's left are you guys who don't want to play with anyone and no one wants to play with you. Lets get you guys to quit and bring the casual and sociable players back, deal?

[potent canopy]

That is not true at all. it took me 18 panther hits in the back of a cleric to kill and i didn't even kill them a skele archer did

[gray pier]

there is three options, the panther missed all his hits, his sound bugged or he is a druid stan making shit up to defend his awfully broken class xd

[rustic basalt]

Okay so now im confused, not everyone seems to know the game isnto supposed to be ballanced twoards solo/duo?

[main raven]

My bet is on #3 considering he's asking for Druid to not get nerfs lmao

[obtuse shuttle]

definitely not coping over losing thousands of average players over time

[abstract apex]

ur the reason solos was removed.

[main raven]

No he isn't, Repoze is

[gray pier]

ah, ok no he is trolling xd, I just read about the 18 panther hits, he is definitely trolling

[abstract apex]

Anyone crying about solo/duo balance is the reason lol.

[real aurora]

@zinc sparrow FIX UR GAME WE WANT DUO WITH ALLOWING 2 FIGHTERS AGAIN! PLZ AND THANK YOU

[umbral comet]

They are updating the wrong thing tbh 🥲instead of balancing barbs nahhhh we just gonna take out solos unfortunately this game have me by the throat so I will suffer with the randoms

[elfin fern]

repoze only said there were too many queues, he didn't tell sdf "nuke your most popular queues"

[main raven]

The people complaining about how Druid's been OP for months now are NOT the reason solos are removed, and its insane to even make that assumption at all

[sleek wave]

game is complete trash in the current lobby state. whoever thought it was a good idea to get rid of blue lobbie solo/duos is a should be fired lol. Can't even play HR because you get stat checked so hard and i cant afford legendary gear, game is trash

[abstract apex]

Don't need to balance the game around solo/duo if they get rid of it.

[umbral comet]

Or you can just do no fills if you rlly spicy with it 😂

[grand shadow]

When they first introduced solo/duo, they said they were not going to balance the game towards those queues so don't ask. Now we got people like you being confused that they don't balance those queues. It's so cooked, they need to rip this bandaid off and just remove those queues

[abstract apex]

ur the only one talking about druid. it lives so rent free in ur head. i hope solo stays removed.

[main raven]

He started the whole "320 queues" shit, and he also didn't suggest any solutions, which is the wrong answer cause then SDF has to make up a solution and you DON'T want him to cook

[potent canopy]

Agreed, they should remove solo and duo makes it substantially easier to balance

[main raven]

another troll for the block list, I guess. this update's really pulled em out lmao

[abstract apex]

Trio squire was the popular queue when SDF released it. 0-24 just because reddit said solo was the most popular doesn't mean it is.

[meager barn]

hi i lost my recovery email to my account i remember the password to my blacksmith login but i cant get the verifaction code did i lose my account??@?@?@!?! im a legendary member and i need assistance PLEASE!!!!

[obtuse shuttle]

you have the reason solos is removed: one guy called sdf did not like solo/duo and made it his daily task to ask the team to remove them (source sdf-kitchen)

[rustic basalt]

I never said i wanted them to ballance those ques. I've understood the game is ballance for 3v3s. Im just a little confused why they added it just to take it out later

[abstract apex]

Go ahead ur still gonna read my messages rent free lmfao.

[grand shadow]

He made it popular but this is something people have been talking about here for months. I remember watching this chat and multiple different people come in to complain about it before quitting from the game being stale

[elfin fern]

you want this game to be trios presumably because development is faster then, but solos was the only home for me and i have nothing more to argue on this with you

[gray pier]

what? I hardly ever play solo because I play duos with a friend, I don't care at all if the druid is broken, because the random modifiers are more broken than the druid definitely, and I was able to kill druids anyways with just skill, so idc about the druid anymore

[main raven]

Whats hilarious is I don't even know if this is a joke or not

[paper forum]

They added it because community wanted it, they removed because they didn't want it

[obtuse shuttle]

its not, literally written word per word

[abstract apex]

@glad thunder can't wait for solo/duo HR to be removed next wipe

[main raven]

what a fuckin joke dude l m a o

[grand shadow]

People asked for it so they added it, they didn't think it would ruin their game

[main raven]

No, they listen to the streamers, that are hilariously out of touch with the rest of the community.

Then, they inevitably make an incredibly stupid decision, the community throws riots and then they walk it back, rinse and repeat

[abstract apex]

Solo/duo was never intended for the game and adding it started a downslide slope. Now SDF is cooking again.

[rustic basalt]

I see. Like i said i just joined pretty much when this change hit, i havent been keeping up with the game fully I'm trying to figure out whats going on and who actually know what they are talking about lol

[abstract apex]

go play pve mode if u wanna play solo.

[silver current]

is there a trick to playing bard? having like 10 songs and 4 instriments to swap between seems pretty titious

[sleek wave]

nobody likes where its at now wtf. who cares if it wasnt intened or not. you dont get fair fights in the current state

[elfin fern]

what an absolutely ridiculous take

[gray pier]

but you just have to look at this chat, there is people with good suggestions and serious about the game and there is, well...

[main raven]

Get all the self-buffs (except Harmonic, that one isn't needed), learn about note-skipping with Charismatic, and Shriek every mob and probably most players too

[potent canopy]

Im convinced all the people complaining about the changes would have an equal amount of fun grinding coins in animal crossing

[elfin fern]

sdf — 5/23/2025 1:02 PM
I personally didn’t like this approach, but we wanted to satisfy the players. So, whenever I got the chance, I kept insisting every day that we should remove solo and duo queues.

[abstract apex]

all ppl do is cry about solo/duo balance so its way easier to remove em. ty @glad thunder thats 50 more redstone shards i just bought for that change

[waxen lion]

Is it normal to wait over 5mins for HR on oceania servers?

[silver current]

what is note skipping?

[whole anchor]

PUG queuing is soo dumb peopel asked for it because you get queued with a bunch of bozos who just go do their thing its so annoying. and now you gotta queue with blue lobbies. you really dont remember the unplayable state of the game before? game lost so many people because it was just a hide and seek game trying to pick up scraps before some one picked you offer with +all gear. they lost soooo many players because of this. it was the most common complaint.

[grand shadow]

Yea the game's supposed to be in "pre alpha" but really it's released and they don't know what to do with it and try to do too much. Problem is that for a game like this to be successful, it needs a consistent playerbase of casual players and it has completely bled them dry over the course of several months. It's a bad spiral once it starts

[main raven]

There's so many better solutions than this shit dude

[abstract apex]

i got another 50 redstone shards when HR solo/duo gets removed.

[sterile anvil]

PUG queuing?

[whole anchor]

pick up grop, random party memberts

[elfin fern]

player peak on sunday was as much as previous peaks through the week, but it's hard to say if that is a bad thing for the game being that tomorrow is memorial day and theoretically there should be more americans playing but it's the same as normal peak

[main raven]

With Charismatic, you can skip one note in a song for every three notes the song has as long as you Perfect the rest of the notes. Its mandatory to learn cause it makes a huge difference.

For example, for Shriek of Weakness and Beats of Alacrity you can skip half of the song's induction

[sterile anvil]

ohhh. yeah i always go through the lfg in the discord

[gray pier]

what kind of argument is that 😭 its like if they suddenly removed the game and you blamed that on us because its easier to delete the game than fixing its problems bruh

[fast dagger]

anyone know how to get human remains for new quest?

[rustic basalt]

The game seems VERY stable for a prealpha save questionable ballance decisions, I just really wish people would understand that solo/duo (sounds like to me) is just a sidemode to have fun with just one friend or by yourself

[abstract apex]

comparing them taking away lobbies when players cried about there being too many lobbies. to them shutting down the game is wild.

[potent canopy]

What a respectable summary from a new player

[sleek wave]

nothing was wrong with solo/duo before. you're just making stuff up at this point. People wanna go into a lobby knowing they're going to have a fair fight, that's no longer possible. some people cant live and breath this all day like you to afford yellow gear.

[subtle heart]

If the game doesn't keep enough players to buy stuff they can't keep the servers running for very long is the thing tho

[gray pier]

🧠

[elfin fern]

what i want to know is who was complaining about dead lobbies - hr folks? repoze? because they have reached the tippy top of gear and skill. of course they will eventually stand on a pile of bodies and want more

sdf castrates the pipeline for new players and a foundation for casuals at his own peril

[abstract apex]

you just ignore what u don't wanna read. all ppl ever did was complain about solo/duo balance being awful. its one of the most discussed things.

Easier to remove a gamemode never intended for the game than to try to balance a game around solos then have everyone end up with a heal silence some type of high movement ability etc.

[rustic basalt]

The game is a niche and hardcore and not for everyone, that much I can tell. The unfortunate problem is it's a dungeon crawler with a cool premises and people think because they like those concepts the game SHOULD be for them

[elfin fern]

literally just remove landmines, ambush, and panther and the solo experience becomes 90% less frustrating. the other 10% might be true stack ranger and that's it

[potent canopy]

Hence why druid was nerfed to the ground due to the ceiling for skill expression in solos, however it is absolutely horrible in trios and now its just a scout

[gray pier]

Man, you are saying that sdf deleted solos and duos just because a couple guys on discord said that it was unbalanced... 😭

[sleek wave]

all i read was people complaining about dead lobbies. why would you ever complain about solo/duo lobbies not being balanced wtf???? everyone has blue gear and cant get higher than that, but now the current state you dont know who you're going up against. because they have can epics or artifacts

[whole anchor]

well whatever this is the 3rd time im quitting int he middle of season because of some bs mid season compelte game change. this is the last time for me shouldnt have picked it up again

[abstract apex]

okay so nerf all these classes because people refuse to play the gamemode the game was balanced around.

[obtuse shuttle]

all people have been doing since the patch is complaining about the lack of solo/duo, they should add it back and remove trios, thoughts? tf is that logic

[grand shadow]

If solo-only players all quit, the game would be so much better off

[whole anchor]

should at least wait until next season for something so drastic

[elfin fern]

so the solution is to force them to play it and tell them to fuck off instead of asking why people don't like trios?

[abstract apex]

so trios players should be screwed over becuz solo players?

[elfin fern]

how are trios getting fucked over by removing landmine and panther, if those things were not problems in trios and only problems in solos?

[abstract apex]

When trio was the 1st gamemode in the game and the intended gamemode?

[merry valve]

The removal of solo/duo is never a good design to begin with because it removes player freedom/agency and that is never the correct choice. Tools not rules.

[gray pier]

how is the fault of some random guys on discord for giving feedback about the game, and discuse about the game in the channel that is called game discussion, telling about the problems of the game, and not the fault of ironmace for tweaking with the same two things and making the same mistakes from the past instead of fixing it?

[obtuse shuttle]

imagine wasting time caring about playerbase in your early access game when you're supposed to be working on releasing the game

[abstract apex]

you don't "remove" them without nerfing them you funny little guy.

[silver current]

ohh interesting, didnt know that. so is that the most important perk to grab as a level 1 with no other perks

[elfin fern]

well no shit, but they aren't even factors in trios so what is the problem?

[main raven]

At level 1, 100%. Playing full songs is torture lmao

[abstract apex]

How is it trio players faults solo players don't wanna learn the actual game and be antisocial lol.

[subtle heart]

The community isnt really that split. There's like 5 people who want the game to not be fun and everyone else wants fair fun fights and some small amount of grinding for neat stuff. Its not that deep.

Your name btw, big agree :)

[potent canopy]

Just being real wit you all - Shape Shift druid cannot sustain another nerf. I encourage you all to try play one in high-roller

[rustic basalt]

If they split ballance into trio and solo/duo i feel it would be better

[elfin fern]

i dont couch you not liking solo mode down to you "not wanting to learn to play it", why do you act like you know us

[abstract apex]

They won't because they can't learn counters to other classes they just play one single class then complain for nerfs when it comes to it.

[rustic basalt]

Ballance the modes separate

[gray pier]

if you are a trio player why are you crying if it doesn't affect you at all?

[abstract apex]

because i was you. when i first played the game all i did was play solos then realizied how garbage solos is and if the game ever became balanced around it the game would die even harder.

[rustic basalt]

But i do also understand that will further split the dev team

[elfin fern]

dude i ran so many sessions of random queue and discord premades, trios is less fun for me than solos
ESPECIALLY geared

[obtuse shuttle]

can't split 1 guy in two

[abstract apex]

the balance would be garbage there would be barely any class identity ever class would have a heal every class would end up with a silence every class would end dup with some type of panther chicken jump mobility. I've seen happen time and time again when you try to balance a pvp game with gear like this to solos.

[lone heron]

A game made only for groups of a specific size has to have MASSIVE appeal (Apex, Helldivers, LC). That's simply not possible for an extraction shooter, it's a niche already you can't make a niche in a niche that's not sustainable. That's why they're all capable of being played by smaller groups. And in a game where a solo can't reliably take on larger groups with superior tactics, that means specific queues for smaller groups. What sdf wants isn't realistic.

[obtuse shuttle]

weren't you saying he was doing the right thing yesterday

[abstract apex]

and i have 0 faith in these devs to balance this game around solos. They've been doing fine as it is with trios. not the best but def not the worst.

[lone heron]

ABOUT THE GEAR GODDAMN IT YOU GOT IT WRONG THEN AND YOU'RE GETTING IT WRONG NOW

[obtuse shuttle]

[gray pier]

the only thing im saying is that if you remove the random modifiers like sdf says, you fix 99% of the balancing problems

[rustic basalt]

They want people playing 3v3. If youre a solo they want you to talk to other randoms and engage with them. They want people talking in game and having fun in groups. The problem was they added solo/duo and then took it away

[lone heron]

YOU KEPT SAYING I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE QUEUE SIZES, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GEAR BRACKETS I CLARIFIED THEN AND I WILL CLARIFY AS MUCH AS YOU NEED BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT APPARENTLY

[elfin fern]

it's almost like you could have lobbies where there is no gear disparity and people could choose the party sizes they have the most fun playing

[gray pier]

exactly

[obtuse shuttle]

delta force is also an extraction shooter with a massive playerbase, their secret is that they allow f2p players to actually play the game
and they only have trios

[abstract apex]

it wouldn't fix a lot of it tho. some classes will always preform better in solo just because of how the class functions. Cleric/Druid/Warlock/Rogue all benefit massively from just how solo is played and they always will. and you can't rebalance them without ruining them in other gamemodes

[subtle heart]

Well aware I have a bunch of friends that aren't in here that play.

Well they played until recently anyway.

They'll come back when it's fixed generally but idk how many times, ppl get kinda sick of the patches that move in a backwards direction after a while.

[gray pier]

nah, if you remove random modifiers trust me you are able to win against all those classes, you have a much higher possibility

the best thing is that you may play a raid without spending 2-3k gold or more in a build and without the headache of looking for every item in the market

[lone heron]

Yeah. It's solo capable. I play ABI it's the same way. Tarkov. Here a solo can't beat a trio without a massive gear diff, no matter the skill. There you can bamboozle a decked out trio to their deaths with a well-placed trap or grenade and some thinking ahead. Here you can do no such thing besides as maybe a rogue. So mixed queues just aren't the way to go.

[abstract apex]

just remember we got DLC in a early acces game

[lone heron]

I can understand this vision, they want you to be in parties, it's a dnd game after all. I get the vision. This bit just ain't gonna work out how they want it to.

[gray pier]

and ofc I played warlock a lot and its an awfully broken class, in solo duo or trio, if you put all your gear with the random modifier of magical healing you can heal all your life in the blink of an eye

[abstract apex]

I mean what was going on before wasn't really working out either. may aswell just let them take a shot in the wind if it lands it lands if it fails it fails.

[gray pier]

if you remove the modifier he is not going to heal as before, and you are not even tweaking the class

[elfin fern]

i dare say its huge following came from being a unique medieval multiplayer fps, not from forced 3s or the gear system

[potent canopy]

Exactly, games not full-released. people just need to chill, if you dont like the game in it's current test phase, thats okay. there is always next season

[rustic basalt]

Yeah, because they have no clue what the definition of ballance is

[abstract apex]

you can always take a break. sucks losing money if the game shuts down but atleastt you got ur playtimes worth while it was enjoyable enough to get you into it.

[rustic basalt]

Give the game time to cook, it'll come out great

[lone heron]

That I can see. If they truly stuck it out all 3v3 all the time, solo culture would've developed within it, and no one would have a problem.

[winged herald]

this game fucking sucks

[rustic basalt]

I think that's the first time I've ever heard anyone say that

[red kindle]

Goblin, collector and tavern master are the ones that give the cosmetic quest rewards right?

[gray pier]

I just hope sdf removes random modifiers and then winning any pvp will be more a matter of skill than spending 3k gold in a build

[abstract apex]

i just don't want anymore mid wipe class guttage stat reworks on gear or fundamental mechanics being broken

[lone heron]

If it comes out. That goes for you @potent canopy, recall there's only going to be "next season" until the game is unsustainable. We're a ways out, but if they keep tumbling there may never be a release, this rocky road might not have an end, just a sheer drop.

[silver current]

https://i.imgur.com/BBOAiX2.png any song u deem more important than these?

[obtuse shuttle]

they need to bring back solos with gear cap or new players will never get into this game

[potent canopy]

The people complaining are in two categories:
Went into norm solo lobbies with full BiS blue whaling on squire/new players

Happily farmed gold with lobbies of 2 players because even whilst playing a PVP game in the PVP game mode they refused/ran from PVP in the PVP game mode

[rocky bramble]

I won't lie it holds true in every extraction game out there on the market, forced trios doesn't work. You just get shitty teammates that loot gremlin over helping.

[sleek wave]

there was a mode for just white squire lobbies wtf. stop making stuff up

[gray pier]

I really hope sdf trust in his decisions

[abstract apex]

what if i only like pvping against ppl who are friendly huh.

[rustic basalt]

I enjoy random modifiers because 100% full skill based games are fun, but having modifiers adds loot seeking and a trade market. Removing it removes the thrill of pushing deep while geared to get "the roll" scared you might lose it all to a missplay

[abstract apex]

pretend to b e friendly get close Slaughter them and take all their items.

[potent canopy]

You and I both know nobody besides people learning bosses played squire lobbies. 1 extract and you had to que blue lobby due to gear restrictions

[gray pier]

yes thats why sdf had another ideas to make something similar but much better, but he added random modifiers because that was the easiest thing to do at the moment, but it went horribly wrong

[rustic basalt]

They just need to ballance the numbers better

[lone heron]

Or they are the new players? Who now have no level playing field from which to learn PvP? I've had 5 pvp encounters in my 5 or 6 hours so far, half of that time spent seeking them. All of them outnumbered. I have no way of telling where I slipped up and where I was at a disadvantage.

[subtle heart]

I don't really get it personally, they can have 5% of the game be the "vision" or whatever that the handful of people who like that can play that mode and they don't even have to work on it after that point really. Those people will run the same thing over and over until their eyes bleed.

They can focus development on the 95% of the game for the parts people like/want instead of removing them. And they can use that to support the 5% part that sdf and the handful want to have instead of killing the game

[abstract apex]

you'd be suprised actually. theres a lot of ppl who only played 0-24 squire pvp then immedietely vendor gear and requeue.

[arctic bluff]

Less balancing focus and more content within the game would silence a lot of people.

My ideal short/long term progression:

• @glad thunder cooking in the kitchen weekly spilling thoughts on topics of his choice.
• Bi-weekly small scale balancing and bug fixes
• Monthly large content drop, things like new items, monsters, maps, skill tree, updated Community Hall to be competitive with discord, gathering hall with training dummies, 1v1 / 2v2 / 3v3 arena available nearly all the time.

The gear is becoming less of a hassle with gemming.
The solos and duos can still play HR and adventure to build funds for HR.

Lots of doom being prescribed in all directions

[main raven]

You actually have three more song memory than you think, because Rousing gives you +2 and you have another Knowledge point with a Lute equipped.

Still, I'm not a fan of Accel/Allegro for self-buffs since they barely last for any time at all

[potent canopy]

Could be because i'm OCE, but lobbies were dead. I'm 100% sure other zones had similar issues besides some popular US servers

[gray pier]

that would make it a little better but still broken, but if you want to have that thrill they may add more useful loot, something like tarkov does with the ledx, or something like that, it already is but I have been playing this for like 2 3 years and never got the golden key from that skeleton, so its incredibly rare

[subtle heart]

Squire lobbies were very fun for pvp and decent if you needed to quest because other players couldn't grief your kills like in adventure mode.

[still cypress]

"Remember to post suggestions so the devs can ignore them"

[fallow basin]

I really wish they made it so dark reflection didnt use soul shards, it just isnt worth it

[rustic basalt]

I know the key is like 1% drop rate but what does it do?

[silver current]

ohh i didnt think about that. so what do u do instead?

[gray pier]

I think it opens a door at the crypts or the hell, but its completely useless in my opinion, if you get one you must sell it at the market

the loot you get from those doors in a normal wipe is not worth it, and is a completely pain to get those keys xd

[rustic basalt]

I have seen some listing's and holy.

[gray pier]

ah and its one use, is not like in tarkov that you have labs keycards and you may save them in the pouch like a lil bi- and you are not gonna loose them

[calm mauve]

Nawh thats bs, ALOT of the newer playbase used solo’s to get comfortable and try builds and different classes

[elfin fern]

the flip side of that is that they probably shouldn't touch things people like

like solos/duos and white lobbies

and actually ask us why we like them

[obtuse shuttle]

in their utopia you pve till level 20 then go into hr to learn pvp

[elfin fern]

I agree that the game being stale and often "feeling" unfair in some ways is why it lost most of its players

[potent canopy]

IDK bardiche barb 1 tapping post classes with a +movespeed and -movespeed wasn't much of a feeling as it was real

[gray pier]

I don't care if sdf just leave the lobbies like they are, but removes random modifiers and adds the monk and the new map

[silver current]

yeah its very not fun to play against

[elfin fern]

i was bard so i am biased, i had more problems with rogues/sorcs/druids than barbs

[calm mauve]

Its not a feeling ita facts. The facts are anybody with a ton of time to play the game will stomp those who dont. Doesnt always mean bc gear score, the pvp skills extra time played alone are a giant upper hand

[gray pier]

and that is literally what sdf thinks he should do and what he said in sdf kitchen and I agree with that

well at least with the modifiers and the map, he didn't say nothing about the new class but anyways

[elfin fern]

yall are right, there are balance problems, but my point is if people always be getting stomped they'll quit, they're not gonna play games to feel more hardcore than everyone else like a good chunk of this playerbase apparently is weird enough to do

[zenith lily]

does magic healing scale with torture mastery on warlock? (other way around)

[lone heron]

Welcome to video games, you're real late

[potent canopy]

IT is the come-up we all had to endure.... if thats not pallatable then perhaps the game by design isn't for those individuals

[gray pier]

they may balance the gear, but if you are new you are the one who has to get good, I'm sure that if ironmace does something about the good players being good and the new players being bad they will screw it more than it is

[calm mauve]

Lol balance be damned. Of course if a new player tries pvp as a fighter with a ton of plate armor and fights a barbarian not wearing a shirt, and loses he’ll be upset

I mean just knowing how to space, engage /disengage, aiming projectiles

[gray pier]

everyone plays bad at the beggining

[elfin fern]

i started before they even had squire and was so poor at some points id be dropping my clothes and drag around mobs in a pathetic attempt to out move speed

it is not an experience i wish on anyone else playing this game, and I think the game relies on casuals for long-term health

[lone heron]

I've endured this kind of game design for many games. There's a difference between "bouncing off the game because it's too hardcore" and "having no chance to learn the game at all." There's a point of distinction between good game design that isn't for everyone and messy game design on a game that happens to not be for everyone.

[potent canopy]

some ppl just want everything handed to them smh. even if you die to a 1shot theres something you can learn. if you fight some dude for 2mins only to die you have 2 mins of fighting as learning material

[gray pier]

they literally added adventure mode, you may play adventure mode, get used to the combat system and the mechanics of the game and then play pvp mode :D

[mental steppe]

why no solo tho

[elfin fern]

...against people who buy multiple blue kits and have premade squads, with no 1v1s or 2v2s

[gray pier]

well, yeah, thats the only thing im complaining right now, i want the random modifiers to be gone

[lone heron]

Truly very similar experiences, nothing at all distinguishes combat between fighting 3 skeletons and 3 real people who know the game better than you will in several thousand hours

[elfin fern]

it's not ✨ 💫 THE VISION 🌟 ☄️

[mental steppe]

but i dont like playing with ppl and i have like 1k gold

[crimson vessel]

^

[potent canopy]

I agree, we need the casuals who will spend $15 on a skin because they think its cool to only drop the game 3 weeks later because they couldn't learn cyclops or how to pvp. but the issue is those same players can't influence the future of the game because otherwise we end up with WOW Retail

[mental steppe]

10% of my gold to play solo highroller is kinda alot

[calm mauve]

…or dont be lazy devs and allow people to fight in easier ways with the handoff being lower tier loot

Swear people just eat up less content with a grin now

[gray pier]

and what do you suggest? playing pvp from the beggining and being screwed for not knowing about the mechanics? sticking to pve? you may play pve to learn the mechanics and then lose in pvp until you win and know how to win pvps man, there is nothing ironmace can do about that, you will eventually learn to play

[mental steppe]

I dont think im shit enough to die to mobs, but I dont think i beat the competent players most of the time. and against decent druids i've never won

[calm mauve]

Never thought id see people arguing for less content bc it boosts their ego somehow. Nutty

[uneven garden]

event the best players die to mobs that's a reality haha

[elfin fern]

i think they should influence it, maybe not direct it but certainly influence it. how much depends obviously

[gray pier]

XDDDD what can you learn about getting one shot by an ranger with a longbow and true phys damage and agility in all his gear, absolutely nothing man, besides than seeing that ranger with true phys and running like a bi to the extraction right

[mental steppe]

also when i played norms trio they tkd me a couple times on "accident" when running boss

[potent canopy]

Lots to learn, what were you doing when you got 1-shot? staring at a chest wondering if you should drop this blue warmaul to pickup 3 blue treasures for 25 seconds?

[gray pier]

you are not going to win against that ranger with true phys, if you get close you get killed by the shotgun, if you stay at middle distance he kills you with two arrows, and long distance the same, and if you manage to evade the shotgun he is going to kill you with two swings of the spear :v

[silver current]

so whats the deal with barbarian - potion chugger.

doesnt it seem to be a negative perk? since -50% duration and only 20% potion strength

[elfin fern]

is this where i put the team four star dodge gif

[obtuse shuttle]

crazy how just 3 days ago you could join a game and start a fight against 1 person instead of 3. and who knows maybe learn a thing or two instead of how to run awayf rom 3 people

[lone heron]

Your attitude towards this being "gah, you don't UNDERSTAND it, you just want it to be EASIER, you're weak!" reads as copium to me. You're reducing any arguments against the game's current state to flawed on a basic level so you don't have to engage with them for real. I've played these games before, as it were, I know what this game is going for and I've seen it at its best. They are not meeting that standard. I'm already of the mindset required for these games, I will not leave this game anytime soon, but I will struggle to learn it more than I have in games of its ilk. Not because it is harder, no, because it is being poorly handled.

[mortal talon]

This game is so fucking bad now ROFL

[elfin fern]

anyway, milkman. yeah, you can certainly learn even from stupid shit like getting 1shotted in hr

but you get much much more xp from continuous queue into white lobby, and definitely from skipping pve lobby to do it.

that is the problem here, the whole training and continuous low-effort queue aspect has been destroyed

[gray pier]

yeah, as I've been saying I agree with you and thats why I hope sdf removes random modifiers and then you may be able to kill those three players if you kill them one by one

[calm mauve]

Exactly

People who no life this game, and think they’re gods is hilarious. Games fkn ez dog, other people just play this casually

[gray pier]

its hard but at least would be possible

but I think he at least should add duos, at least would be a 1v2 and not a 1v3

[lone heron]

Also actually yes, pvp from the start. Training offline lobbies is fine, every game does that, but no pve with progression. If you're getting stomped from the start, you won't go from "easy" to "balls to the wall difficult" in the click of a button, and you will either fall off because the game isn't for you or perservere. It is punishment that makes these games succeed, this game is punishing at the wrong times and coddling when it is unnecesary.

[mental steppe]

i get ~200-300 gold from a trio norms even less from adventure im not good enough to get the gold needed to run hr

[sullen solstice]

do you need cleric/bard for a 3s comp to work, me and my friends want to try out wizard, ranger, barb/rogue but dont know if itll work

[lone heron]

A game that tricks you into thinking it's for you and then kicks your ass and spits on you is demoralizing, a game that opens with a punch to the jaw and says "come on in, we've got more" is enrapturing.

[gray pier]

well btw I think if they removed the pve mode they may focus on the pvp servers, and there would be less dungeons and less lag

[silver current]

how does barb skill - potion chugger work? increases potency by 20% so thats 4 extra hp each potion heals.
but the -50% duration is what confuses me

[gray pier]

when I started to play I learned pvping with everybody until I got good, just like in any souls like with the bosses xd

[elfin fern]

yeah im talking about how things were when someone like you could re-squire and go back into the white lobby

if i still played i'd show you how to be the richest rat in ice caves, sadly ironmace has shit the bed

[gray pier]

but now as things are its impossible to do that at least alone

[elfin fern]

depending how the next week goes, it's either going to be "you learn team fights only" or "we're sorry, we fucked up, here are your solo/duo queues back"

[balmy cedar]

The duration reduces but the total ammount of hitpoints healed does not so the barb gains 120% of the health in half the time. Say a potion took 10 seconds to heal 10 hp, the barb would gain 12 hp over 5 seconds.

[mental steppe]

i dont like trios, i enjoy pvp but if my teamates are new just like me i'm not gonna win that fight cus im inexperienced. I rather play solos and fight the different classes people choose more fun than pve in my opinion. it already feels like adventure mode in some lobbies when no one wants to fight

[balmy cedar]

I'm the same, I enjoy playing with my friends. Wrangling two of them at the same time to play together is too difficult so I'm just done with DaD until they return duos.

[gray pier]

if im completely honest, in the servers I play, the duos and solos dungeons were almost all the time empty, and i am a solo and duo player and now the dungeons I got in were full of people, I don't really care as long as he takes out random modifiers

[silver current]

Ohhh i thought it ment it was a loss at the end

[mental steppe]

squire pvp is fun since its even playing field and its a fair 1v1

i dont got gold for a good kit

[balmy cedar]

Easy mistake to make, I thought the same until I had it explained to me.

[gray pier]

until you end up in a 1v5 against a barbarian 330 move speed and a bardiche in hand, a ranger with longbow and true phys, etc

[silver current]

thx.

[elfin fern]

this same result could have been achieved by increasing minimum player counts and telling you how many other people are waiting to reach that minimum

[main raven]

Unchained's pog, and Piercing Shrill can be good for zapping people through doors/shields. Also good for a lot of weak PvE enemies, especially if you Shriek first

I'm also a fan of Song of Shadow because invis is funni

[balmy cedar]

If you're in a 1v5 in solos your position is remarkably bad.

[obtuse shuttle]

isnt squier white gear? how wouldthat happen

[silver current]

so what causes game to stutter for like 2 seconds every 30 seconds?

[balmy cedar]

Song of shadow is kind of self defeating since you have to make a ton of noise to make yourself invisible. I've yet to see it pulled off/pull it off really well.

[obtuse shuttle]

personally i dont have that

[mental steppe]

i also been having that, i was told it's just the amount of dungeons sometimes that cause lag

[gray pier]

yeah your gear is white/grey, but what makes you think the enemy is not going to spend 3k gold in his kit just to ruin your experience, and for no award at all, they are just risking 3k gold just to kill players with squire kit you know

[obtuse shuttle]

well i mean, wasnt there a queue with white gear cap? in that case that could ot happen unless they looted it lol

[mental steppe]

u can get 330 ms and true phys with common gear?

[main raven]

People definitely KNOW you're doing it, but Bards can also rock a full Crossbow, so as long as an enemy doesn't know your exact location they still get to push into a Crossbow shot for free

Also invis can redirect mob aggro, which is always nice

[balmy cedar]

Brads my main. The crossbow tap is so fun. They don't know what hit them since you can swap so quickly.

[gray pier]

I think we are talking about different things, im talking about the current state of the game with the only trios dungeon and the rare item cap

[silver current]

interesting, i tried restarting computer. updated drivers. turned down my graphics settings lot lower and still happening

[gray pier]

you may get with squire kit but the other players most likely wont... and believe me almost every trio I found had 330 ms with all rare equipment rings and that

[main raven]

the meme build in solos is double Crossbow on an instrument build lmao

[mental steppe]

I mean im not going squire gear into rare mode i get like a kit that i've looted

[balmy cedar]

Ah yeah. You're not beating someone in capped blues when you're in greys/whites. Any new player who joins the game right now might as well return it. This last patch was just awful on so many levels.

[gray pier]

but you know that there is only rare mode trios and high roller right?

right now there is no option

[mental steppe]

ye thats the annoying part since i only started a week ago so I'm not the newest but im not good yet

[gray pier]

just hope that sdfs either removes random modifiers so a barbarian with full heavy armor and a bardiche wont be able to reach 330 move speed for gods sake

[lone heron]

i just died to pve 4 times in a row I swear to god I get worse at this game every passing day playing it

[mental steppe]

i personally havent experienced a 330 ms barb, but I've gottent to 324 ms and imagining that on a barbarian is lowk scary

[silver current]

have u found a solution? it is very difficult to play when u just freese for a second and skeleton wacks you off

[hexed root]

What is up with the club RN?

[gray pier]

You dont want to see a barb with 330 ms and a bardiche/maul/felling axe running towards you loll

[elfin fern]

bedge

[mental steppe]

if u havent already reinstalled maybe verify your files or uninstall by hand the steam files and then reinstall

also might be ur servers I was playing eu on accident for a bit because I had a vpn for netflix on

[gilded urchin]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/kmtyEKL285pAQcxCh?invite=cr-MSxHS1osMjI4NzMxNjM

[silver current]

iinteresitng. ill give it a shot. unsure how to do most of that but ill try uninstalling game and reinstalling.

how do u check ur server?

[gray pier]

Now is not a priority but idk why the skeletons bleed and why a bat may tank two hits with a felling axe / two bolts with the heavy ass crossbow lmao

[mental steppe]

ur server is only a problem if u have vpn I heard some ppl from china use it to play on our servers. So if u dont have a vpn ur fine with servers

[opal merlin]

anyone know where can i see artifact droprate ? dndwiki is not update to this patch

[silver current]

ahh okay thanks.

also quick question, is there a way to make crouch a toggle instead of hold?

[mental steppe]

dont do toggle I like toggle for some games, but i've accident hit crouch while getting chased and it was toggle and i got killed
its also harder to jump over stuff while on toggle

[fervent gust]

i spawned i killed the boss i looted chest i took the rope to escape i was 1mm from escapeing and an archer and wizard shot me off the rope and a fighter killed me 1v3 btw

[mental steppe]

gg

[harsh perch]

this change to gamemmodes is hands down the worst change i have ever played

[fervent gust]

i just hate the fact they dont have solo and duo now

[unreal obsidian]

Open Arena!

[harsh perch]

no commons lobby is actually so bad

[mental steppe]

remove pve if it means i can get solo/duos back

[potent canopy]

0-24 shouldn't exist

[lone heron]

I do not know what that word means

[fervent gust]

like if they remove adventure mode with no pvp and just keep normal with pvp but with solo and duo everything would be perfect

[gray pier]

🧠

[lone heron]

we just need offline training lobbies for the brackets, a normal, rare and artifact, and the majority of this is solved

pve is, unfortunately (I do like its utility) the problem.

[gray pier]

idk I think is boring af, the funny part about the game is the pvp

[fervent gust]

i dont think we need noob friendly lobbys

[dire heron]

games chocked

[fervent gust]

the most fun i had in the game was at the start when i didnt know anything

[gray pier]

nah I played yesterday with my friend with the squire set and got fun anyways

[misty oxide]

i need the duo lobbies to return, run HR run into skinny pete and dudes running war mauls with 8+ phys power is not the vibe

[gray pier]

you may be at a huge disadvantage but I think its fixable, maybe next week sdf makes something

hope he cooks

[thick plume]

why the game is lagging?

[misty oxide]

or the game is cooked

[gray pier]

not yet

[fervent gust]

i just hope they bring back solo and duo next update

[spare prawn]

why is it trios only

[misty oxide]

exactly!

[fervent gust]

bcz they think queues take too long

[gray pier]

I dont want to get into the game now but there still are like 6 high roller modes?

[fervent gust]

and so they make only trios and think its a good idea (its not)

[gray pier]

like solo duo trios and artifacts solo duo trios for each map? and the crypt with 3 submaps and the ice cavern with 1

[tribal zodiac]

Adventure was 0-24lobby.
Rn PvE mode is just wallmart sale runs.. people with full lege/artifact luck sets running around

[severe coyote]

from 73% steam reviews, to 55 in just 2 days. Curious if Ironmace listens to the vocal majority

[noble aurora]

roast me i just oopsied a stinky stick to the void bc of a spider boop

[fervent gust]

good job keep it up!

[gray pier]

at the very least i hope they bring duos back, at the very least, maybe, MAYBE you win a 1v2

[tribal zodiac]

Well Still Better than me jumping void in abys before opening with 30k Rogue Gear at pve

[noble aurora]

i had a full unique luck set on too rip

[fervent gust]

i just understand 1 thing

so they remove solo and duo for faster queues and when i start trio with random i still wait 3 minutes

[noble aurora]

3 minutes isnt long at all for the player base i mean i wait more than that in OW sometimes lol

[tribal zodiac]

If devs listen playerbase and stop just randomly revert stats etc, if they read and make changes based on suggestion thread(and Yes there is shitload of GREAT ideas)… there would be players and there woudnt be needed canceling brackets

[fervent gust]

3 minutes is not much i know but i waited the same time before the update

[honest marsh]

a lot of the ideas are genuinely awful too though tbf

[potent canopy]

Its not as much of queue time as it is how many people are in each game

[gray pier]

maybe the people would come back to the game if they dont have to make a 1v3 against a barbarian with 330 ms and a bardiche, a tank rogue with 330 movespeed true phys damage and a ranger 330 ms true phys damage, longbow, shotgun skill and a spear

[gray pier]

even being a full trio its almost impossible to win against that, the difference is huge

[honest marsh]

don’t even gotta farm when you got market place

[potent canopy]

Nah its definitely possible, bait the barb, shut the door 3v1 the barb 1 of you will die then 2v2 the rest

[tribal zodiac]

Thats why this game need Stat capping classes.. nothing is unique anymore

Ad: ok unique only in way if you hace spells

[gray pier]

exactly

[grave gull]

cant even play solo anymore without running into full legendary bis chars

[honest marsh]

class stat caps would be amazing

[uneven garden]

i wish market place were a place to sell only ingrdients to craft your kits instead of buying all what you want it would enhance the dungeon crawling so hard

[fervent gust]

and the common gear limit is removed... WHY? do i have to play 1v3 with HUGE gear diff every game bcz i have no money and friends T_T ????

[honest marsh]

it would enhance everything LOL

[uneven garden]

well yeah haha

[gray pier]

you are living in a dream bruh, I mean I know the barbarians may not be the smartest people, but even with your logic and the type of player you chose for the barbarian, if he has crush he just breaks the door and runs towards his teammates in the situation you imagined

[honest marsh]

I don’t even go into pvp with gear anymore I just use squire kit and hope for the best LOL

[tribal zodiac]

Thats why start of wipe was totally amazing tbh.

Ppl wear actual good stuff.
Fog of war was great, no freakin circle .. not min maxed lobbys …

Now you die, market, buy, go die again … no need to try for gear at all.

[modest sluice]

Im doing the "golden dreams" quests what exactly are golden chests?

[gray pier]

what i mean is, you don't even have to have hands, even if the people with that gear plays blindfolded and with the feet they oneshot you anyway lol

[honest marsh]

and no locked trios

[fervent gust]

chest that is made out of gold

[gray pier]

the pvp is a joke right now, but afortunately not everyone has the gold to make those builds and you may find either other solo players or players with squire kit and you may win those

[tribal zodiac]

Shiny golden chests. You gonna need lockpicks for it.
Spawning golden chest or lion head chest.

[modest sluice]

i open the lions head chest but it doesnt count my progression

[honest marsh]

genuinely don’t know what they were thinking when removing solos. Duos is meh but solos being removed is crazy

[honest marsh]

golden chest is rarer

[fervent gust]

yeah its 1 tier better that lions head chest, its called golden chest when you look at it and you need lockipcks to unlock it or just play rogue that can open it without lockpicks

[honest marsh]

LOL same here

[tribal zodiac]

PvE should be removed - even if I like it Tho, for learning. Im going There after beers and help newcomers with bosses

but 0-24 is “adventure” enough.. no min maxed pigs around. Pure DaD experience

[gray pier]

idk, just hope sdf removes random modifiers and brings back solos and duos and that's it, just hope sdf cooks

[fervent gust]

what piss me off the most is how much they dont think about what they are doing

[fervent gust]

hope is the only thing left

[modest sluice]

i play bard unchained

[tribal zodiac]

Sometimes i feel like… players who left after patch #69 did best decision.

[fervent gust]

yeah that works too i just dont know if it will work for your quest i think it should count as well

[honest marsh]

pve's great. New players can actually learn the game

[tribal zodiac]

It is but, mostly i see veterans running maxed gear there.. which is crazy.

[fervent gust]

but they can do the same thing in common gear pvp cant they?

[honest marsh]

Ofc they can but not undisturbed

[silver current]

whats best class to learn game as? seem to just get shit on in pve

[potent canopy]

Constant state of anxiety is the whole point of the dungeon crawler experience. taking that out is like 85% of the game

[honest marsh]

fighter or barb

[noble aurora]

i started on barb then played sorc

[modest sluice]

i just tried lockpicking and it didnt count

[tribal zodiac]

I agree with this 0-24 lobby always should be there for newbies.. this game is best in PvE+additional pvp..
if one of this missing, then its not so adrenaline boosting

[honest marsh]

not when the game is balanced as horribly as it is rn

[viscid loom]

has to be a golden chest not a lions head, also might be a specific map you need to open it on

[potent canopy]

For all its short-comings the game actually is pretty well balanced - if you know how to play.

[honest marsh]

No the game isn't well balanced

if you think the classes in this game are genuinely well balanced there's something wrong 💔

[gray pier]

dont even bother answering him, he's been trolling for hours xd

[potent canopy]

You're probably thinking in Solos right? the game mode it's not based on

[fervent gust]

the point of the game is pvp so i dont see a problem and even if he dont want ppl attacking him then just avoid players and 90% of the time you will escape

[potent canopy]

in trios, the game is balanced well. there are a tonne of things you can do to sway any fight. just takes experience to execute them

[viscid loom]

each class has counters and you just need to know the match ups/how to play against differnt builds and classes

[gray pier]

that guy is the same who said that he had to hit 18 times a cleric in the back as a panther to kill him

[potent canopy]

Is your version of 'balanced' is any class can easily beat any other class?

[brave egret]

no rock paper scissors in solos would be a good metric of balance for individual classes

[honest marsh]

No it's classes that have the same amount of counters as the next. Some classes simply just have way more than others LOL

[potent canopy]

Yes, genuinely not a joke. I was squire and he was full blue but yes it was about 18 hits

[honest marsh]

LOL

[gray pier]

that's absolutely impossible i swear to god a cleric can not tank 18 hits of a panther, completely impossible

[potent canopy]

What im trying to inform you of is, you probably have more things you can do in each scenario then what you're aware of becasue of skill expression and a deeper understanding of the game and it's mechanics

[toxic socket]

SDF STOP TISTING AROUND AND ADD SOLOS AND DUOS YOU R3TVRDED FVCK GOD ARE YOU STUPID? LIKE ARE YOU ACTUALLY AUT1STIC? PLEASE CAN WE GET A NEW DEV LIKE IM ACTUALLY SICK

[gray pier]

unless he was cheating and had god mode on or something like that is absolutely impossible

[jaunty aurora]

Does rapier mastery apply to demons glee?

[tribal zodiac]

Its not.
You feel this is balanced?

Full pdr, 180hp, 2 taping barbs with 320+ ms
Kleriks -//-
Rogues 180hp -//-?

thats Bullshit and this game needs stat cap classes.

[viscid loom]

yes

[potent canopy]

Give me an example of another glass with similar gear that is going to get wasted by one of those examples

[modest sluice]

fr i was 2 shot at full hp with buffs yesterday by a panther

[toxic socket]

sdf is an aut1st

[modest sluice]

3 shot*

[potent canopy]

there is 0 chance a panther killed anyone in less than 6 hits

[gray pier]

you are trolling xd

[fervent gust]

the game seems realy hard at the start and it is but after 5-6 hours of playing you will learn all the basic stuff and if you have someone to teach you how to play and monitor you its realy easy actualy so i dont see a point of adventure mode

[modest sluice]

really? I could of swore i was 3 shot

[potent canopy]

maybe 3 headshots

[tribal zodiac]

Haha 😄 3 tapped me as Rogue (162hp) in 2 seconds while leaped on me at Wyvern

[honest marsh]

yeah Idk if he's being serious

[modest sluice]

even my friend was confused, he seen me die

[toxic socket]

SDF STOP TISTING AROUND AND ADD SOLOS AND DUOS

[potent canopy]

in the last two weeks? / squire lobby?

[viscid loom]

go play hr

[toxic socket]

i dontg want to have to play hr everytime i want to play solo dude

[modest sluice]

im being serious lol

[fervent gust]

so a panther need more than 6 shots to kill anyone BUT an archer can one shot a full plate fighter with shotgun ability... crazy times we live in

[tribal zodiac]

There is no squire lobby.

[potent canopy]

Nah but from when you've pulled this example

[modest sluice]

okay wait i didnt have buffs because i couldnt grab my instruments in time

[silver current]

fighter seems good, barb is like soo slow its rough lol

[viscid loom]

why though, hr is better than normals

[potent canopy]

Squire panther vs squire cleric, cleric would win with only using torch its tested

[tribal zodiac]

Fighter is best to learn basics

[toxic socket]

not for when ur trying to learn bosses

[honest marsh]

go dex/agility with barb

use bardiche and you'll curb stomp every mob

[toxic socket]

and to many ppl in PVE

[viscid loom]

adventure mode... litterally what its made for

[floral root]

bro i just want to play with some good gear but you cant cause sdf wants my epics vs 100k kits

[silver current]

interesting, not STR?

[tribal zodiac]

Fighter is still best for bosses. It can kill anything melee - no cheesing with running around and casting like warlock. And no dark souls mode as if ur Rogue.

[viscid loom]

you can still kill those ppl in epic gear

[toxic socket]

YEAH BUT WHEN THERES 500 DAMN PEOPLE TRYING TO BOSS IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE, I CANT GET INTO A FRESHLY STARTED PVE MATCH WHERE EVERY MOB ISNT ALREADY DEAD

[honest marsh]

your weapons already do loads more melee damage than other classes, being able to do a lot of damage while also attacking fast and moving fast works real well

[tribal zodiac]

Then go normals and deal with those ppl.

Or at PvE - turn on voip and talk to ppl before they come to room

[floral root]

bro stick to pve please

[viscid loom]

?

[toxic socket]

litterally doesnt work, everybody at least in my lobbies chase me through 5 modules and wont listen

[rapid vapor]

It just occurred to me, but do we know the last time mob hp was touched? Particularly HR mobs? Because if it hasn't been adjusted as player power has gone down wouldn't that be the reason why they're so tedious to kill

[viscid loom]

are you coping? cause you can't kill them

[elder heart]

Um ngl I think your problem is a skill issue

[honest marsh]

were bug shells removed from the game or what

[toxic socket]

sdf just needs to add solos, and he also needs to quit

[elder heart]

Na found earlier

[blazing warren]

gear recovery still works in adventure mode right

[floral root]

i dont think you guys even understand a 100k kit vs epics lmfao, you're prob stuck in blue trios

[muted sail]

just queue with rando's

[blazing warren]

i died in hell and havent gotte n it back yet

[viscid loom]

i rarely play normals ive mained hr since playtest 4 and started in playtest 2

[scenic apex]

yes

[hot monolith]

why can i not launch the game from steam anymore i get a failed to connect to server quit game?

[elder heart]

Buddy if you in epic and can’t kill a person in 100k kit then it’s a skill issue I’m chilling with like 5 100k kits

[floral root]

w ragebait

[rare sand]

that isnt even possible the druid would have to be hitting over 54 damage a hit and that isnt even factoring in your armor

[elder heart]

You main fighter?

[silver current]

wtf 100k on one kit?!

[potent canopy]

Its true, the druid would need like 80 agility to hit 54

[rare sand]

that druid would need to have over 55 agility

[elder heart]

Artifacts

[rare sand]

actually yeah 80

artifacts? there are no artifact weapons for druids.

[fervent gust]

i would not mind one sir

[rapid vapor]

Depends on if he let himself get headshot

[potent canopy]

Scaling gets substantially worse after 40, so they would need like 20 more agi for 7dmg

[viscid loom]

he's talking about 100k kits not druids, diffrent convo

[regal oyster]

@glad thunder I know continuous dungeon (CD) is kinda mandatory with the current state of the game, but can we think about stopping it after 3-4 minutes? I enjoy the PVP aspect like most players, but fighting 2 teams back to back, then having to fight another 2 teams and dying in that fight, then watching as another team comes in is rediculous at this point. That and also loading in at the last 7 minutes of a raid does nothing as far as questing, PVP, and or any enjoyment in killing PVE because it's all dead. It's just getting to a point where a large portion of people are saying the same thing. Can we please reconsider the amount of time people can load into CD?

[rapid vapor]

Have you loaded into a match as people push the module you loaded into? I don't recall that being a problem last patch, but it's happened to me twice now because of CD. It's miserable

[main bison]

I loaded in a match with 4 minutes left just a bit ago

[tame oxide]

93% efficiency at 10% of the price, outside of unique kits with crazy true damage

[regal oyster]

every other game at least. Don't get me wrong, it's a great concept, but it still needs to be refined

[gilded otter]

WHAT IS FULGOR VALUE

[fervent gust]

if i had 5 minutes in a room with every archer that killed me in a game... oh god the things i would do to them

[main bison]

2sk-3sk

[regal oyster]

3 coins

[gilded otter]

aint no way

[main bison]

It’s horrible just buy it and run it

[viscid loom]

cap

[gilded otter]

then whats value

[main bison]

Maybe 4sk if good roll

[regal oyster]

but on a serious note, last I checked it was between 8 and 10 sk

[neon rune]

anyone else think barb needs a buff?

[elder heart]

I seen a bis one for 12

[regal oyster]

I believe it wholeheartedly

[neon rune]

i think barb should have a stacking stat buff like warlock

but let it stack to 25 all that would be sweet

[viscid loom]

they usually go for 8-10 sk most seasons but i havent seen many in trade this season so idk current market

[pine tundra]

Have they fixed the game yet

[regal oyster]

unsure what you mean by "fix", but I'm gonna go ahead and say no

[elder heart]

Nope

Another week till we get a possible fix

[fervent gust]

you guys ever scream when you make lot of gold in one run or is just me?

but like scream so much 2 houses away can hear you with sound proof walls

[lavish birch]

🤨

[rare sand]

i think druid should have darkvision, and their bleeds last indefinetly until you use a bandage.

[remote depot]

just pulled a coin chest from a common gold pile lol

[viscid loom]

i think druid should have a godzilla transformation where you can shoot lazer beams to break down walls and one shot any class

[rare sand]

noo bro druids should be able to shapeshift into a dragon.

[viscid loom]

becomes the wyvern

[rapid vapor]

I know you're memeing, I'm kind of surprised a class or item doesn't have access to dark vision yet

[wispy pilot]

personally id prefer them to be able to transform into ants, rats are too easy to hit

[elfin fern]

bro please you already have pounce spam in one form

[rare sand]

and be able to fly around and shoot fire breaths at people and slam down doing 50 true physical damage and slow people by 80% for 6 seconds

[viscid loom]

lmao im not serious in the slightest

[elfin fern]

i know its more agonizing about the wat wyvern is programmed to pounce

[rare sand]

no druids should be able to shapeshift into clouds of fog and reduce all damage by 99%

[wispy pilot]

infinite phantomize

[viscid loom]

broooo druids in wyvern form can creat voids to knock you into, i think we're onto something very balanced here

[heavy carbon]

why was solo and duo banished?

[feral patrol]

its norms... just play with some randos

[elfin fern]

"our unpopular queues were too unpopular, so we banned the popular queues to force people into the unpopular ones"

[timid ridge]

I’m so happy they got rid of the lobbies this game is goated

[feral patrol]

i'd be more fine with it if i could get peeps to fill party in oce... but i cant

shouldve kept cappd hr

[timid ridge]

What’s the point of playing solos when you can just play with teammates?

[feral patrol]

anyway game is dying hard... cant wait for sand and wildgate to come back

[timid ridge]

The game is perfect rn

[viscid loom]

norms is the kiddie playground of the game, hr is what the game really is. too many people liked staying in the playground. As well as they've wanted a larger hr population for a long time so if you wanna play in the playground you need to play with friends or make friends with the randoms 🙂

[feral patrol]

yea... not for oce its way to dead .. its gets boring fast

[tribal walrus]

uhhh, anyone else not able to connect?

[viscid loom]

or.. crazy idea.... just play hr

[hardy briar]

why is no more normal solos?

[vivid pawn]

Sounds to me like you’re saying too many people like having fun playing the video game like people generally do

[potent canopy]

OK so i just played a trios blue lobby as a solo and its not even bad??? literally 90% of people in there are solos

[elfin fern]

IT'S 👏 A 👏 VIDEO 👏 GAME👏 OF👏 COURSE👏 IT'S👏 A👏 PLAYGROUND

[feral patrol]

its good for trying a new class and testing a build tho

[timid ridge]

It’s so fun I’m so glad ppl actually play trios now

Taking away norms lobbies was the best decision ever made in this game

[feral patrol]

i think trio norms is fine i just cant fill party in oce and i dont want to have to speak to people haha

[elfin fern]

why are you trolling both sides bro, go queue into the dungeon find a better use for your time

[hardy briar]

i cant join game anymore

[feral patrol]

the game is built around trios and was the game from the get go. even arena is trios... balancing solo game is impossible

[timid ridge]

Idk I just don’t get why ppl are so mad

[viscid loom]

when the game was first made you could only que trios and the only map was crypts

[timid ridge]

W patch fr

[elfin fern]

then solos was introduced in gobbo caves. that is where i played because this shit is too complicated for a new player to not weigh down a team

[rapid vapor]

what's your favorite game mode?

[hardy briar]

why trios and no more solos

[timid ridge]

Solo blues

[elfin fern]

then they made squire and you could queue and practice infinitely without any gear bullshit or having to worry about newbs or backstabbers costing you much

[timid ridge]

W patch fr tho

[minor sequoia]

solo blue trio..its a greaaaat time

[timid ridge]

I think we can all agree that this patch was peak

[feral patrol]

for me the main things.. sork is way broken atm... lack of players in oce(if i play with us west buddies game is dead at certain times too) arena doenst last long enough, bossing is too much of the main gameplay loop, no actual new content other than sork getting more sht to just be even more op, portals and gas should be how it was in the playtests... theres no more epic portal fights anymore

[elfin fern]

i did "survive in crypts" back when it was trios. thanks but no thanks

[viscid loom]

solo artifact is where its at yall

[floral root]

nah ima wait for next patch to get back on this shite game

[minor sequoia]

peak for people who got folks to que up trios maybe

[viscid loom]

best pvp and best rewards = best gameplay experience

[floral root]

lemme drop my bad review cause im salty they keep playing with us

[timid ridge]

W patch W sdf also Sorc is balanced and bossing is actually the best part of the game

[elfin fern]

for you maybe

[feral patrol]

you r so bord

[timid ridge]

I hate this game 😦

[feral patrol]

just look at how fast this chat is even last wipe there were far more messages

[timid ridge]

Man Ts is just so sad they ruined darkness and darkness

[calm salmon]

Remember patch 69? When people were in an outrage and chat was constant?

[timid ridge]

@calm salmon what happened patch 69

[calm salmon]

Now the chat is slow, the people who gave enough of a shit to join the discord are gone

[zenith lily]

is an action speed unique drum worth anything?

[timid ridge]

I actually love this game but it’s killing me idk why they r doing this

[minor sequoia]

lost my duo/trio to prev patches could only solo que norms..now it feels they are forcing solo players to "git gud" against min maxed trios for norms

[feral patrol]

i mean he calld it 69 cuz he wantd to fk people over... anyway game has pay to win now.... so yea sdf knows the game is dying...

[lone heron]

where do y'all get ur info all the build guides and shit I can find are from the fucking playtests, there's barely anything more recent than 6 months ago

[vivid pawn]

Seems to me he’s in over his head and wants it to die so he can be done with it

[lone heron]

p2w?

[feral patrol]

game is dead dont bother.. just watch streamers

[timid ridge]

We need a good company to buy this game

[calm salmon]

They made all rarities of gear have the same base stats, with random rolls being the only diffs between items. They also removed most piss rolls from items (no magic damage on longsword for example) but they still left the magic rolls on stuff they forgot about like Viking sword

At the same time as doing this they TURBO BUFFED barbarian. Current barbarian is mid compared to patch 69 barbarian.

[timid ridge]

Waro why is that ur face

[minor sequoia]

makes no sense..if they quit with all this craziness and listen to the community (not the toxic side) DND would be a bigger hit then it was

[lone heron]

I have some choice words that would get me in trouble for annoying little shits like you, stop bothering everyone and leave the gd server if it's that much trouble that other people are playing

[lone heron]

now I reiterate, besides just asking people here, how would one get info for buildcrafting and whatnot

[feral patrol]

its calld pulling afunny face.. i think u r coverd in pimples

[minor sequoia]

dont get me wrong tho learning to pickpocket trios is a blast

[timid ridge]

Ur silly bro I bet ur 5’4 too

[calm salmon]

So for me personally a big part of it is time spent playing combined with watching content creators occasionally and yapping with players that are better than me

[feral patrol]

watch streamers.... dumb dumb see wot items r good and wot they talk about

[lone heron]

stop engaging it only gives him reason to reply again and get the last word

[feral patrol]

6 1

[honest marsh]

6'1 with stilts

[minor sequoia]

how do yall find your trios?

[elfin fern]

you couldn't afford his stilts

[timid ridge]

Whatever u say Wario

[lone heron]

While my hight isn't a point of pride, it's always funny to me when someone says their height as a confidence boost or a comeback and it's shorter than me

[feral patrol]

strange u guys getting pssy when ive just been giving advice when this guy is trolling both sides of arguments

[elfin fern]

used to use discord lfg or random queue until i found people that didn't have brain disease

[limber badge]

Weep silently at the keyboard and then close the game

[minor sequoia]

tried getting a duo from here one time and the guy just screamed at me the entire time,,honestly looking for new friends to enjoy this with

[honest marsh]

is bro really 5'4

[lone heron]

hm. people talk about bis so definitively I assumed there'd be something more than a general public consensus to reference

[elfin fern]

i am not bro but i am 5'6 and everything they say about us is true

[lone heron]

you never answered what's pay to win here??

[feral patrol]

u cant find a build guide.... no ... use google u spoon .. youtube, streamers ..ffs its so ez

[viscid loom]

bis is used generally as items with no bad rolls

[lone heron]

nothing younger than a year and coherent

[minor sequoia]

@limber badge its happened a couple times, @elfin fern yea i used the lfg and got some pretty toxic people that werent so kind to ..newer players

[feral patrol]

u dont even know wot it is just how... did u even open the game up

[calm salmon]

Well alot of the time "bis" is "every roll is desirable and a high roll"

[lone heron]

no I mean what is pay to win in this game? the races? the single tiny stat?

[viscid loom]

a lot of bigger streamers have youtube channels where they make a kit and showcase both the gear and gameplay

[limber badge]

My pals moved on from this game and my experience with randoms has been bad like your experience.
It kinda sucks, so I'm taking a break from DaD sadly.

[lone heron]

I see

yk what it might be on me i did use bing for that search I'll try on google

[severe coyote]

if i have say, armor penetration on a lute, do I receive those bonuses only when the lute is actively pulled out?

[minor sequoia]

@limber badgethats understandable lost my friends to the barb blood exchange craze they never came back XD

[elfin fern]

yeah im sorry dude a lot of this playerbase sucks ass and its basically shoveling til you find gold

[calm salmon]

There are things that are kinda common sense like after hitting 15 str it's generally best to build Dex/action speed over more str, but most of it is opinions and consensus

[minor sequoia]

@elfin fern if only i had a shovel lol. i take one of the higher levels to room farm in artififact but its a crawl

[viscid loom]

use youtube and dont put "build" or "build guide" just search dark and darker and the class you wanna play

[feral patrol]

fking lol

[viscid loom]

yes

[minor sequoia]

yall have a good night (:

[elfin fern]

no you

[calm salmon]

Ex. For a long time no one used club on barb, I was basically the only unga bunga barb I knew... Nowadays club is one of the most expensive base weapon types on market.
"Bis" is "whatever people will pay the most gold for" generally

[minor sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/aye-yes-you-yup-looking-at-you-drake-gif-14956924

[lone heron]

anyone know how life drain works? the description says nothing about the target having to be a player but it just does nothing on npcs as far as I can tell

[limber badge]

You as well

[calm salmon]

It does low enough damage that ai typically won't die to it. A popular strategy is to place a hydra then life drain the hydra

[viscid loom]

depends on the mob you use it on, different mobs have different resistances to phy and magic as well as different types of magic

[north pollen]

Any tips on where to practice pvp ? i played for a while now and i seem liek i cant figure out how to fight well

[lone heron]

no no, it's not that it doesn't hurt them, it just doesn't cast on the things I'm looking at. unless it has no visual component?

[uneven garden]

dujde if you cast it dont move or uit will cancel and is sued to cast hydra and the life drain hydra

[calm salmon]

Additionally, unlike every other source of magical healing in the game... Life drain scales EXCLUSIVELY on damage

[lone heron]

wait you can't move during it??? it should really say that

[calm salmon]

Oh uhh, you have to stand still

[viscid loom]

you have to stand still to life drain

[lone heron]

of all the things to leave out of the description that's not one of them

[calm salmon]

It's a "channeling" spell, channeling spells typically require standing still

[tame oxide]

You can't move during a channeled spell like magic missile, life drain, sanctuary etc

[lone heron]

ok good to know

[calm salmon]

sorcerer busting down the door

[tame oxide]

Huh

[viscid loom]

hes talking about lightning bolt

the lightning tether

[calm salmon]

Ray of darkness in the corner watching:

[tame oxide]

True

[honest marsh]

I wonder how many days it's been since anyone has hit a lightning bolt in pvp

[calm salmon]

The only two channeling spells you can move in I know of

[viscid loom]

its good when your frontline is fighting so you don't hit them with ur bigger dmg spells

[uneven garden]

FBI Open Up!

[silver current]

so how does bard play as squire? do u basicly just give up on all utility items just so u can bring ur 4 instruments in?

[viscid loom]

yes

[silver current]

seems kinda lame to give up all meds =[

[viscid loom]

bring meds and instruments

[silver current]

skeles hit for like half my hp and having no meds to heal kinda rough

[viscid loom]

you dont need the prot pot or campfire imo and you have surv bow/cross bow so you dont need frannies, and torches are also unnecessary

or bring pots and campfire if your having trouble with staying full from mobs and sit to regain recoverable health

[cedar dove]

the game is unplayable for any soloes that arent rich now, fantastic update

[maiden crypt]

game is pretty much cooked, prob beyond repair

[nimble mantle]

솔로 돌려내라 씨발 유저랑 기싸움하지말고 sdf 야 게임 처망하고싶어서 고사를 지내네

[north pollen]

is there no more solos ? thats where i practiced pvp, now i feel like i cant and i suck lol

[viscid loom]

dont be scared of hr

[normal apex]

is it a bug to have the mystical gem chest on gobby be empty

[viscid loom]

ive never seen that

[cunning vine]

removing duos was such a good idea. like imagine only having 1 friend

[sleek wave]

yes. fights aren't fair anymore. you fight people with artifacts and 14 mspeed recruve bow when you have blue gear because everything is expesnive

[swift snow]

so there is a bug where you lose all the gold in your inventory upon login,i just lost 9k gold what a fun game

[uneven garden]

that0s not how that works 100 per cent i ahve 2k hours in this game and never happend something like that so you must be missing something

[rare sand]

hear d people talking about this before

[swift snow]

I had 9k gold I logged out after dieing. I logged in and all my gold on my sorc is at 0 with my chest and everything still there. hrad to displace 9k gold

[coral thistle]

Bardiche 100% needed a buff guys trust

[silver current]

i wish sitting wasnt SUPER slow hp

[uneven garden]

im telling you never happend something like that to me in 2000 hours

[swift snow]

That doesn't mean it can't happen lol. you flex 2khours like thats alot or impressive

[median pulsar]

Are skin quests out

[uneven garden]

no fleixng man it's just that im impress cause i never heard this happen to anyone including me

[tranquil juniper]

Having to pay 100 gold to play this dumpster fire by myself without having two sweet tarts dragging me under is kinda insane

[gusty sandal]

happened to me . lost 7k gold this week from nothing

[uneven garden]

clearly this is a new bug

[scarlet badge]

can anyone do something about this dude tryna scam fulgor in trade then swap out with sterling sword? his name ign is PanzerQQ

[gusty sandal]

everything in my legendary status bags (the ones you can't sell) disappeared . happened when i installed the gem update

[mortal talon]

Man this discord has been dead af since update

[uneven garden]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN DEAD? I think is more active than ever cause people is mad

[grand patio]

We lowkey Need low roll solos back, early wipe a lot of people play solo and at this point in wipe some of us are trying to learn bosses like weyvern, etc. not being able to learn bosses in solos makes it almost impossible for a solo like me, this might be a hot take but removing duos and keeping solos and trios all together might be the move. Or add some way for people to learn low roll boss without loot

We keep going back and forth from catering to the new players experience to the already playing players experience and it becomes a back and forth cycle. Find ways to even it out.

[void kestrel]

Quivers.

[cedar dove]

genuinely reinstalling tarkov this fucking update ruined the game for the non giga sweats

[lone heron]

eli5 true damage

[uneven garden]

I stoped playing tarkov 2 years after the realease of that game and i might even go back i dont know is it good now?

[fickle moss]

I am begging for someone to send me a picture of what the pyramid location looks like on the ruins map. I have been all over and still have never seen it.

[gusty sandal]

no

[lone heron]

cheater problem is there, but it's p good (FOR TARKOV). there's less infested alternatives with pretty much the same gameplay nowadays though

[gusty sandal]

if you hate yourself and are a complete masochist yes. if your standards are low for a game that has almost been in development with funding for a decade yes.

[lone heron]

Arena Breakout infinite, ExfilZone if you've got VR, those sorts.

[lone heron]

that does come with the territory

[inner egret]

well my friend just pulled a gold coin chest from PVE mode on Crypts pile explain plz @glad thunder i thought this was fixed LMFAO

[gusty sandal]

no one can do it right in the genre, i am so sick of people defending shit companies

[lone heron]

pulled, or found 🤔 ? what if someone left it behind? u don't know!!!!!!!

[inner egret]

he literally pulled it from the pile

[gusty sandal]

pile still bugged

[lone heron]

ah

[inner egret]

yup 100p confirmed you can get gold chests from pve

[lone heron]

well I've got something to do then

[gusty sandal]

ice cavern?

[inner egret]

crypts

[gusty sandal]

i got a gold c bag yesterday from cavern

[inner egret]

we killed warlord and looted pile on pve mode and he got a golden chest on his 2nd pull

[gusty sandal]

big monei

[uneven garden]

i swear is always on the second pull. Literally alwasy. Mi chest on the 2nd pull in normals my gold coinc bags on the second pull

[honest marsh]

in normal or high roller?

[gusty sandal]

pve

[honest marsh]

Jesus

[uneven garden]

being able to get a chest on PVE is actually ridiculous

[honest marsh]

It’s easiest in the ice area cuz you usually spawn right near em

[mortal talon]

I think we are getting close to DnD needing bot lobbies.

[harsh perch]

this game is so ass without the commons lobbies

deleting the 1 gammode casual players actually found fun

[cosmic quail]

how much does the frostbitten mallet sell for now to the collector. is it worth crafting?

[opal patrol]

u cant craft boss summons they are removes

[full crater]

this game would be so much better without druid, no wonder people are quitting this game

[robust cosmos]

Love going solo and getting wiped by trio's in all rare gear

[pure falcon]

I feel bad for u

[old egret]

Js stay in the outer modules, the ones near the border of the map

[tranquil juniper]

@robust cosmos Nah just go into HR in blues and die to a nightmare who does 3/4 your hp in one shot, just dont forget you payed 100 gold to do it though

[old egret]

I usually survive by doing that fr

[tranquil juniper]

lmao bro survies by going to graveyards, lowkey one of the hottest spots atm, considering you cant learn any bosses atm

[steady trail]

At least we still have adventure mode 💔

[main bison]

Can banshee death scream hit warlock in phantom

[sly adder]

gg

[robust cosmos]

If only that worked

[stray shard]

just play trios

[robust cosmos]

Dirty word

[humble bloom]

I went ruins normals, got some random folk and we managed 2 other teams (they did most in the 2nd fight ngl) and made away with some dudes frost light gear lmao squire gear is just better i suppose

[visual nacelle]

Devs are so ass bro, congrats solos can now only level characters in pve or in a 1v3 fucking of druids this shit is so ass now my god

[autumn rapids]

Does the Goblin Merchant not find your stuff if you fall into the Void?

[tame oxide]

Get 2 mates and go trios

[tame oxide]

Exactly

[stray shard]

bros need to be told everything and be thought for

[random niche]

so what is there no portal in the final circle now? What is this crap

[elfin fern]

or they could write documentation so people don't have to ask these questions until the sun explodes

[elfin fern]

you forgot to suggest uninstalling, though the withdrawal kind of sucks

[brittle barn]

Any1 else experiencing a new bug with the TK penalty where after your 600s timeout was over and you played a couple new matchs and restart your game the penalty comes back? Couldnt have been a new penalty as I only played PvE for the matches after

[fleet surge]

Got an artifact from wyvern today very stoked

[elfin fern]

nice which

[fleet surge]

Pulverizing prayer but with bad stats lol

[abstract apex]

remove solo/duo HR

[fleet surge]

Just exited to get one finally lol

[fleet surge]

Solo hr is the best

[tame oxide]

Hopefully soon

[abstract apex]

amen

[muted trail]

do you want power or bonus damage?

[snow barn]

goofy ah update who tf thought to remove solo normals actual dead game wtf

[elfin fern]

why do you wish misery on others, why does this bother you so much

[fading palm]

where can i find builds for classes. like what stats to aim for

[elfin fern]

the specific class chats are probably the best place to ask

[red bane]

i dont see those

[static pendant]

you need the role for each one

[red bane]

how do u grab the role?

[static pendant]

channels and roles, right at the top

[red bane]

ty

[elfin fern]

thanks skink i literally went looking for the role channel and couldnt find it

[abstract apex]

I don't i wish for the game to ascend to true vision

[elfin fern]

true vision is madness, and will destroy all that we have become addicted for

[unkempt drift]

BAHAHAH imagine having only one guy to play with bro SDF is a genius removing solos and duos

[abstract apex]

trios poppin off more than ever best update ever

[marsh mulch]

never been more dead

[elfin fern]

this weekend's peak is down 1k from last weekend's, and this is a long weekend in NA

[stray shard]

why are the same people commenting the same stuff yall are actually psychotic bro

[tame oxide]

And how much was last weekends peak down from the week before that

[stray shard]

like go take a break or something lmaoo

[elfin fern]

im convinced most people who play this game are psychotic in one way or another

[stray shard]

idk man i've never seen another group like this lmao it reminds me of reddit

[elfin fern]

i take showers i swear

[runic parcel]

Never seen a r35trd dev team like this is probably why

[stray shard]

i just dgaf honestly kinda works

like unless they shut down the game ill be kinda mad but other than that idc

[honest marsh]

wyvern cant be that hard solo right

[elfin fern]

its easier solo because it doesnt have wacky aggro then

[cedar dove]

same as always, wipes in a month or 2

[untold atlas]

Im the best
Im amazing

[stray shard]

nah

[barren path]

do you lose stuff when you die in adventure mode in forgotten castle?

[olive path]

is there a chat channel somewhere to find or look for parties?

[fleet surge]

#lfg-northamerica

[carmine vigil]

no, just gotta wait for the lobby to end before you can buy it back

[solid cypress]

Hey guys is the walking dead worth watching after s8? All my favorite people are dead and the best antagonist I’ve ever seen just got neutered so idk if the rest is worth sitting through

[simple arrow]

I keep getting "The connection to the server terminated abnormally" - then i restart game once it fails to connect, Then i restart again and it works. Makes buying gear extremely difficult as i have to try speedrun this shit before it dc's. Ingame i get no issues

[obtuse shuttle]

why do bones sell for so much on the market?

[tame oxide]

It ain't worth it past s3

Or whatever the prison season was

[void glacier]

ok this game is dead for me, all i want is some normals gameplay and i get qued up with ppl who loot chests mid fight

[zenith summit]

how long till next wipe?

[abstract apex]

Give another class rez.

[sullen solstice]

whats best duo hr comp to go w ranger?

[zenith summit]

how much time until the next wipe?

when is the next wipe wiping?

[potent canopy]

I think people are dying on an alternative char in normal trios lobbies and using it to spy on people currently playing the game to watch their movements and hp etc

[torpid rampart]

devs should bring back solos >//<

[blazing warren]

bro no one cares about normals LOOL

[torpid rampart]

memememememe i care i care!!!

[zenith summit]

bruhhh when is the next wipe bruhhh

[blazing warren]

u dont have any loot in normal that they would want to have the need to do that

[spring isle]

real smart idea to combine solos duos and trios yall are great keep it up

[zenith summit]

agreed, but when the' next wipe!!!

[potent canopy]

Oh nah I don't care for norms, just pointing out I think people are doing it which is high-key sad

[abstract apex]

still got 2-4 weeks worth of quests left.

[spring isle]

hopefully they completely delete solos and duos from high roller next best idea ever

[abstract apex]

thats the plan based off what he said in kitchen so pray.

[spring isle]

💀

[teal stirrup]

arena over player count about to go down again

[spring isle]

no way the devs are real people

[teal stirrup]

What does sdf have in his cup? why does he take so many sips?

[wooden lichen]

tears of wizard mains

[teal stirrup]

they need some new spells

[abstract apex]

SDF's kitchen explains SDF's thought process the game is cooking.

[desert orchid]

plasma detonation is a good wiz spell to give from sorc to wiz

[silver smelt]

1.5 months

[wooden lichen]

the fact that sorcerer got MORE ice spells BEFORE wizard did was fuckin insane

[spring isle]

major percentage of players are in solo or duo i dont think removing at is gonna help the game

[abstract apex]

According to reddit.

[spring isle]

also just experience

[wooden lichen]

duo was by far the least populated servers

duos is fine to axe in entirety tbh

[spring isle]

solos is a bit of a stretch tho ngl

[silver smelt]

I wish game was balanced around solos

[abstract apex]

Death to solo/duos @glad thunder Let the vision cook

[spring isle]

i mean they cooked and we got fog so i dont have the highest hopes

[silver smelt]

Fog was cool

[abstract apex]

Circle was the problem.

[spring isle]

just made finding ppl impossible along with bossing

[abstract apex]

But since its apart of the old vision i guess its okay.

[silver smelt]

Finding people was easy, when server was full
Third party was reduced

[pliant flame]

has anyone seen the mystical gem chests not spawning anythubg

happened to me 3 times in a row.

[silver smelt]

You can ask to increase number of teams with fog of war.
Devs would do it. More people in the dungeon, less money spent on servers

[red bane]

3rd raid in a row a 3man runs me down

[spring isle]

i think the way it is now is fine i just dont think geting rid of gamemodes is a good idea

[red bane]

should have played around it honestly

[misty quail]

blatant chinese teamers just ruining the game on us west, a classic

[mental steppe]

Don’t make it racist dude

[tame oxide]

Calling a Chinese man Chinese ain't racist lol

[misty quail]

@mental steppe this isnt racism this is fact. chinese cheaters run us west late at night. wheres the racism?

[torpid rampart]

yikes...

[fervent anvil]

thats false

[shadow crypt]

shots fired i repeat shots fired

[mental steppe]

I agree it was a problem but I don’t agree on making this a race issue. His point is valid but imo not the main concern

[warm rune]

It would help long term not short term. I think duos should stay and solos should go tbh. Game was never made around solos and it’s very clear still because of class imbalance. Game was never made for duos either but it works slightly better in duos as the 2v2 will be far more balanced than the 1v1

[spring isle]

i get that but i dont think the best course would be putting the large majority of players at a disadvantage to save them from having to better balance the classes

[warm rune]

Well it’s either you fix a problem you are able to, or have 2 problems you cannot fix… no game in the history of gaming has perfect balancing, there is always a meta and underperformance

[spring isle]

i dont think removing solos fixes the balancing problem but thats just me

[brisk lava]

Remove all lobbies and just load into black screen

[warm rune]

You cannot fix the balancing problem is what I’m saying, some classes will always be at a disadvantage, that’s why duos and trios is better for this game

[mental willow]

Cleric/barb

[spring isle]

how lol what? if removing solos doesnt fix the blancing what is the point

[warm rune]

the pop for duos and trios goes up making the gameplay better, do u really wanna fight the same guy on repeat?

[spring isle]

i would like to have the choice to not 1 v 3

[mental steppe]

also I dont wanna be forced to have to join a random 3 stack

[mental willow]

Doesn't fix it, but balancing just trios is easier than balancing trios and solos, that we can probably agree on

[mental steppe]

remove duos is the concensus

[warm rune]

They just don’t have friends to play the game with 💔

[mental steppe]

id rather have solo rather than only trios

[spring isle]

10/10 ragebait

[mental willow]

Tbh let em remove anything at that point, just want em to focus on new content instead of +2 axe damage -2 axe damage

[mental steppe]

nah my friend is the shittiest bard known to man I play with him with only squire, fun guy tho

[warm rune]

💔💔💔

[quasi copper]

"High-Roller mode is currently divided into Solo, Duo, and Trio queues, a structure designed to accommodate players participating in the Adventurer Rank. Once the Adventurer Rank ends, these queues will be merged into a single Trio pool. At that point, we hope to offer a wider range of communication tools to better support cooperative play."

[cyan galleon]

Guys how do I get better squire gear???

[mental steppe]

i have not played the game enough to feel out of new content to try, I only got like ~25 hours so far. before I stopped for bit since solos got removed and so the only time i play is with my friends

[hardy stump]

I find it quite entertaining, reading steam forums and thread from sweats celebrating last changes even tho game lost 25% of playerbase over the weekend

[mental willow]

I would probably never play the game again if it went solo only 😂 The only time I see myself playing dad recently is with friends, making it solo only would prevent most of us from playing it completely, so I see why they went with trios + optional solo, instead of solo only

[hardy stump]

the cope is real, the vision is a full speed crash into the wall

[mental willow]

Complete quests of different merchants

[mental steppe]

My previous message was talkin abt removing duos and leaving only solo and trios, nw on the confusion. I agree tho

[cyan galleon]

oh so not only squire but quests in general

[hardy stump]

not in general, armorer gives you plate, weaponsmith gives you melee weapons, woodsman gives you bows and xbows etc

[cyan galleon]

ohhh ok tysm

[silver smelt]

Me 2

[mental willow]

Well, we will see how it goes, definitely a challenging issue to solve, with no clear win anywhere. I will trust the process and see where it goes. Games with auto-fill matchmaking existed for a long while and most of them work well enough, so it is not the end of the world for sure

[silver smelt]

Gear diff will be extremely small in next season

[torpid rampart]

i really liked solos beacuse im to bad to win any highroller games and i dont want to fight trios, so i feel very stuck🤷

[hardy stump]

it better be, because I'm not going to wear anything good with randoms

They should also double down on the changes and get rid of solos and duo HR as well, either go balls deep or don't, I'm so very tired of half arsed measures and double standards depending on the mode, training wheels for everyone, or no one.

[gaunt sorrel]

Normals is now commons? legit just changed and no patch?

[raven bone]

was about to ask the same thing @gaunt sorrel lol

[toxic charm]

i also wonder

[unborn solstice]

i actually like the vision. and i am happy to try and look for a group when i have the time and energy to do so. but not always. and i see the risk that without an option to experience the game casually as a solo, the game will simply not attract a player base large enough to ever make said vision come true. oh, and im not intending to take my blue pvp kits into HR to get killed by nightmare mobs. i know, skill issue.

[silver smelt]

Cool so we are getting map pings this season

[silver smelt]

That's what's going to happen as SDF said in his kitchen

[void glacier]

its so fun to get matched with randoms who loot chests in fights and abandon you everytime

[fringe wind]

Well rare is gone now

[mint otter]

LOL

[silver smelt]

I don't personally like the change but it's good for game development so they can finally focus on one mode and on the dungeon itself

[hardy stump]

the vision crumbling already as the realization of 25% of playerbase loss over the weekend hits

[fringe wind]

Are they fixing that rn?

[clear crystal]

am i slow or did normals just switch to common gear?

[mental willow]

Wait, did they fr change lobbies to common after explaining how that fucked em earlier?💀🤧

[void glacier]

i mean i stopped playing, is it really that bad?

[silver smelt]

I wonder what kind of pings they will add

[clever wolf]

So he has just dropped normals to common, whilst at the same time saying that solos/duos will be gone in all modes soon? It's all over the place 🤣

[mental steppe]

i only just started but this dev team is cooked

[quaint patio]

Wtf it's do bad ...

[hardy stump]

I'll see where it goes, but I'd say no, there is new SDF post in the kitchen and I actually support it, solo and duo goes away for HR from next season

[silent pike]

why would they remove solo duo HR

[quaint patio]

It was so much fun to do some solo now we can't even play in duo ..

[hardy stump]

exact same reason its gone from normals, but delayed due to rank farm

[fervent gust]

just when you think its bad the game gets worse

[grand snow]

anyone elses normal lobbies common gear only now?

[quaint patio]

Even the common mode is on trio

[willow bridge]

anyone want nipalan

[silver smelt]

I hope he doesn't reduce TTK like last time(patch 69)

[rapid vapor]

It's intended

[silent pike]

yeah but thats so wack, HR should have all 3 modes. I haven't had an issue with a queue in any of the modes

[quaint patio]

I can't tag in common gear only rare gear

[clever wolf]

I guess he thinks trios only will convince the sweats that he still has a vision? I don't know, but it's a death knell for the game.

[mental steppe]

they really be catering to hr players it feels like

[granite vigil]

whata joke. common only...it's now not even zero to hero. its now zero to vender

[silent pike]

games actually cooked if they remove solo/duo hr

[willow bridge]

Anybody wanna nipalan I want some skull key

[toxic charm]

common only is crazy

[bronze anchor]

they realy just thanossed rares

[silent pike]

idec about the common only change, removing solo/duo from HR is so dumb tho

[torpid rampart]

whats does SSF mean :)

[uncut imp]

common thing is dumb ash

[silent pike]

solo self found

[torpid rampart]

ty

[hardy stump]

I don't agree for the single reason of balance, I din't have issue with solo and duo going away from normals, I have issue with them not going away from HR too, but that is going to be addressed, so I'm fine with it.

Now I actually want to see where the game will go

[gusty sierra]

WTF ONLY COMMON GEAR IN NORMALS WTF!!!

[rapid vapor]

I can see a path. But they'll have to make queuing with randoms and having a good chance of winning fights not just possible but even enjoyable, which will be incredibly hard

[silent pike]

down hill

[slim sierra]

im scared guys ... rares was mt home where i had to most fun ..

[silent pike]

yeah that won't happen, you'd have to bank on getting a good comp every queue, decent teammates, etc. otherwise ur just throwing ur kits

[fervent gust]

im thinking they are just makeing fun of us xd

[hardy stump]

perhaps, but at least it'll be unified, once gear gap is addressed as well, I might actually come back, but F2P players who played normals are fucked

[void glacier]

ah oke so they will make highroller trios only, thats it

[silver smelt]

I see no people crying about lack of 1v1 ranked mode in other games, like cs go.

[void glacier]

no sense playing anymore

[clever wolf]

They could never balance it before, I don't know why there's confidence they will now. It'll be back to the same old shit and moaning about player base in no time.

[rapid vapor]

There's the possibility of making it in a way that a 1v3 is winnable. But that would require a lot of class balance and normalizing gear in a way that doesn't make top end kits dominate as hard as they do

[silent pike]

gear gap is cope, i am relatively new to the game and it really isnt hard to get kitted. thats like complaining about someone having better guns/ammo in tarkov. its part of a hardcore extraction

[clear crystal]

lowkey the blue lobbys were hitting even with randoms

[tall token]

breh can the people who we give millions of dollars do something productive

[uncut imp]

your uneducated my slow minded fellow

[sick quest]

they cancel the rare entrance and they have only common and artifact or my pc crashed ?

[boreal tiger]

And for people who want to enjoy with one friend?

[tall token]

they removed rares for no reason

[void glacier]

lol ok the 100 hours player says gear gap isnt real pack it up

[sick quest]

and epics

[silent pike]

it is cope, you're just bad

[gaunt sorrel]

You can easily out play anyone in blues from squire gear, Just practice dodging and play doors, Poke and when they swap to heals or ranged turn on them and fk them up

[hidden schooner]

who is the developer here?

[tall token]

blues was fun because it didnt feel like hulk hogan was ramming you

[void glacier]

ok if you say so

[silver smelt]

Depends on the class and amount of hours spent playing the class.

[silent pike]

warlock complaining about gear gap is crazy

[fiery pilot]

Low key, we actually need to do something together as a player base and stop the streamers or his random ass thought from ruining or catering the game to them onyl

[tall token]

look at sdf turning us against each other

[void glacier]

i play all classes, and im not complaining, its just wrong to say it doesnt exist

[silver smelt]

His vision is going to happen. Solos might return one day in the future

[silent pike]

it exists, but it SHOULD exist. thats like only letting people run flesh ammo in tarkov

[mental willow]

Gear gap exists, you can say people are bad all you want, but if people are of equal skill the one with better gear will come out winning most of the time

[silent pike]

thats the point!

[tall token]

team> gear

[void glacier]

i thought gear gap is cope, now it exists?

[rapid vapor]

Granted I've never played Tarkov. But can't you one shot any player with any weapon and also it doesn't have classes that have natural strengths and weaknesses does it?

[mental willow]

Well yes, but then how is the gear gap cope when it is basically the main point of the game?😅

[silent pike]

using it as an excuse is cope

[void glacier]

ah ok so you are just not bright enough to actually word what your thinking

[tall token]

breh i dont think hes arguing that some numbers are higher than others he is saying its kinda cope to have two different comps u lose and cope by saying gear checked

[silent pike]

not any weapon, different ammos have different pen, there is facemasks etc to prevent it as well

[hybrid sinew]

yo Darkemperor, only got your character name lol. need your profile name to inv you 😅

[fervent gust]

game is based on who gets the good loot frist now

[silent pike]

I understand u have gear fear and you're bad at the game. it's okay buddy

[hybrid sinew]

hit me up ay! o7

[tame oxide]

Pretty much

[rapid vapor]

But it only takes a few headshots right? Like what's the ttk for a default character shooting a top end character in Tarkov?

[void glacier]

must be hard to live with a brain like yours

[feral forge]

Sdf is clueless

[rugged granite]

Far out they ruined solos. I legit don't want to play high roller cause mobs suck

[void glacier]

damn you still dont understand the point, you were the one saying a gear gap doesnt exist, i never said it was good or bad but you cant understand that its ok

[tall token]

Not even L take i play this game to get their better gear becuase im better

[elder mauve]

Would be cool if they add object selection checkbox before random queue like (quest,boss run, hunting players, etc) to improve trio experience if they're going to force it.

[tame oxide]

1-30 shots depending on variables like if you're using ammo that has 0 penetration power but shreds through flesh while the enemy is wearing a titanium helmet that makes him half blind and deaf

[tall token]

i think when named come into play its different

[rapid vapor]

I was thinking about that last night. Mob hp hasn't been adjusted since they were added right? Player power has gone way down since the first tests. So maybe they're really spongy because they're balanced around outdated data

[rugged granite]

Can they just remove trios legit the most annoying thing about this game is the depreciated solo experience

[void glacier]

haha i have met smarter 5 year olds

[tall token]

tarkov doesnt have a chest piece that says you cant die for 5 seconds

[proud prairie]

Once the Adventurer Rank ends, these queues will be merged into a single Trio pool. At that point, we hope to offer a wider range of communication tools to better support cooperative play.

[cold wraith]

Did they change regulars back to common grade only?

[tall token]

they did

[void glacier]

your just saying words, keep learning words bubba one day you will be able to communicate effectively

[rapid vapor]

How fast would it kill then? Like a few seconds?

[severe ridge]

Where did the blue lobbies go

[cold wraith]

So now it’s pointless to have rare or epic gear nice

[mental willow]

Tbh I mostly agree, but at the same time the only times I get upset playing this game is being run over by people with bis kit made on market and cheaters, both equally as annoying 😂

[clever wolf]

The same place anything decent in this game goes 🤣

[rapid vapor]

Bring it to HR

[void glacier]

lol good day noobie

[tulip dagger]

i just finished my game in full blue gear now its saying only common was that a hot fix? that just happened?

[rapid vapor]

It just happened like 10 minutes ago

[timid ridge]

no way

[cold wraith]

If I’m going hr I’m takin legendary like everyone else because all the rare players are just gonna get stomped

[hardy briar]

why no more blue lobby?

[jolly hamlet]

exactly