game-discussion

[lone heron]

This, they need to lower it. Wtf am I doing finding epics while I'm dilly-dallying around trying to learn bard

IMO, PvE should be replaced with offline training dives

There should be a little box to tick called "training" at any given bracket where it will send you into a fake raid with no one else

Fixes queues, allows for learning and practice, doesn't break the economy

[restive flax]

yes 🙏

[pulsar torrent]

Best Idea, would solve so many problems

[noble moon]

👍✅

[pulsar torrent]

Make it run client side to avoid server uptime

[lone heron]

Tons of other games do it, it wouldn't be crazy and it would solve so much

[pulsar torrent]

^ Hire this gal

[chrome grail]

Training mode would be awesome. The pre-game lobby assets exist, it can't be too hard to implement. Also custom games would go dummy

[lone heron]

I am unemployed SDF, if you're reading this and need ANOTHER ideas guy, I'm your gal!

If by ideas you mean random, unrelated ideas that may or may not have any bearing on the project at hand

[warped echo]

[shell hound]

^ and duos

[restive flax]

There is solos?

[noble moon]

[shell hound]

need my duos bad

[warped echo]

this too actually.

[azure glade]

dude we really need solos back

[noble moon]

[marble tangle]

Solos, Duos, and Trios with White lobby queues.
HR can be where SDF's vision of 1v3s goes lol.

[lone heron]

fuck duos, as my first act in office as IronMace idea spitter, I will suggest that SDF add solos back into all modes and specifically remove duos from high rollers

[pulsar torrent]

Not Based

[restive flax]

brother what the hell

[shell hound]

HUH

[pulsar torrent]

Nawr

[lone heron]

I got a bone to pick

[noble moon]

your fired

[nova brook]

I CANT CHANGE SRVERS

[median wolf]

is there a superior race for warlock?

[main raven]

The game's made for the sweatlords, you didn't know that?

[warped echo]

region locks where added like 1 month ago my bro, just get a VPN 🤣

[marble tangle]

You mispelled Streamer.

[main raven]

I generally run Dark Elf for caster classes and the female Felidan skin for anything else.

Is it optimal? Probably not lmao, but I like how the Darkelf looks

[noble moon]

id be playin rn but no solos

[nova brook]

dang

[main raven]

I mean, whats the difference lmao

[marble tangle]

That was the joke.

[noble moon]

no u

[lone heron]

I rly wish lizardmen had +1 knowledge bc like warhammer fantasy lizardmen

[marble tangle]

SDF saying things like

"I kept insisting every day that we should remove solo and duo queues."

"Because the time it took to earn competitive items was still far greater than the time it took to lose them, most players ended up concentrating in the 0–24 bracket or the Common bracket—where the risk (and stress) was lowest."

Just makes me think he wants to lose half the playerbase.

[warped echo]

Correct course of action. I have pledged not to play until they bring back solo/duo.

[main raven]

You can thank Repoze for the latest wack changes. You know, the guy that said "we have 320 different queues" and didn't actually make any suggestions as to how he would fix that

[lone heron]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaugh-gif-26144251

[shell hound]

why cant a guy just run random gear running around the dungeon killing normal skeletons anymore, so messed up

[noble moon]

true

[warped echo]

Lmao he is real quiet in the comments now that the sht hit the fan

[marble tangle]

I don't watch streamers, but I did watch Ryan6DaysAWeek's video about all that. Couldn't believe what some of those people were saying lol. I feel like Ryan usually has good ideas, and elaborates on them as well.

[still cypress]

and StinkyPete for crying about losing as a barb so he needed help in the form of buffs to stop sucking so hard

[lone heron]

Is it really that bad to point out a problem without knowing how to solve it?

[main raven]

Yeah, cause then SDF comes up with the solution and you do NOT want that man to cook

[marble tangle]

It is when the devs try to fix the problem without knowing how to solve it lol.

[noble moon]

he failed chef school

[shell hound]

the kitchen burnt down

[main raven]

Also, even ignoring SDF, I feel like its generally unhelpful to point out an issue without even hinting at what a solution might be

[noble moon]

he cooks then he applies too much heat, sitrs too much instead of adding new ingredient

[unkempt raft]

thats literally all this discord ever does though

[marble tangle]

Pointing out an issue and not having any feedback on it, is just called complaining.

[main raven]

Isn't Pete crying basically the reason there's a named Zwei now lmao

[still cypress]

I think so yes lol

[main raven]

Thats what some people do in here, yes, but I believe that I actually try to explain why I want stuff changed rather than just demanding shit rofl

[unkempt raft]

and even if this server "churns out" a "good solution"
its going to be glazed/ignored by most of the community and 200% the devs

[noble moon]

SDF just needs to do a damn poll

he's done it before wehy not again

[main raven]

I didn't watch that entire video, but I loved Spud's take of "we don't need anything new added because there's so much missed potential in the game already"

[shell hound]

I mean its a super simple fix, put solo,duo back into the game ezpz

[noble moon]

[jolly crane]

sdf is a weenie hut jr

[main raven]

For example, I don't really think Bard needs any more buffs, but two of his skills are literally useless lmao

[unkempt raft]

still waiting on region lock removal

[main raven]

Add squire lobbies back and just remove PvE completely

[harsh salmon]

Leave the game as it is, let it die 👍🏽

[shell hound]

YES

[noble moon]

[shell hound]

if I am running pve why would I even want other players in the same lobby?

[main raven]

The only reason I consider playing PvE is to do the stupid exploration quests that want me to find a specific module, since even kill quests are almost impossible

[vocal orbit]

they got rid of duos? looks like i cant play anymore lmao wtf is this update

[noble moon]

to waste your time becuas they took your bility to finsh a quest away(sacrasm)

[warped echo]

Its a terrible thing sir.

[noble moon]

ye tis update is downright impossible to adapt to

no duo no solos then no thanks im not playing

[vocal orbit]

they talked about some lfg loser priver server thing but didnt even add that when they add the update where you need to find team

[noble moon]

and no i ainyt doing no elitist sweaty spend all my gold if i wnt any chance to keeping up HR solos

[pulsar torrent]

BuT tHeY NeEd tO CoNsOlIdAtE tHe PlAyEr BaSe, Thats why they killed all the fun and removed half the playerbases ability to play the game

[spring light]

they need to add the spawners back in also dont need every damn team rushing the boss cause its there, its dumb

[shell hound]

I mean I lose the 1v1 to nightmare axeman about 65% of the time let alone players in all legendary/unique gear

[main bison]

Spawners were good imo

[spring light]

evade the first swing then block the second then hit

[pulsar torrent]

SDF Fun police spotted

Joke uncomprehended, reanalyze

[cerulean spruce]

Is this the worst patch ever? i cant play solo-pvp anymore... Full trios in normals, full Unique guys in HR...

[vocal orbit]

sdf actually running this shit into the ground

[upper mist]

My friends and I refer to him as “Thanos”

[noble moon]

true, he does not understand his game

[shell hound]

so real, I see him and run away

[upper mist]

Exactly 😂

[native crag]

i migrated my tavern account a month ago, but now i staart up Dark and darker and its not the same account? dont have legendary anymore.

[vocal orbit]

he talked about WoW a lot so I think he assumes everyone has no friends like him and will just go on reddit to find team

[spring light]

bro just go left or right on the first swing and either duck or block the second hit lmao "Thanos" isnt that hard to fight lmao

[shell hound]

4000 hour player spotted

[pulsar torrent]

SDF fun police detected
Joke uncomprehend, reboot of joke comprehension recommended

[spring light]

just tryna help yah for next time lmao

[vocal orbit]

is there not a community manager for this game though? i have seen zero events, zero polls, zero community updates to get our thoughts before making dumb fuckin updates

[noble moon]

@zinc sparrow

[shell hound]

next time wont be until I get my duos back, "thanos" will have to wait until then

[noble moon]

he does nothing but watch from what i seeand all he will do us is tell us he's watching

[vocal orbit]

ill have to see when his last post was

[pine roost]

Did u know the skelly boy claymore sweep the leg can be dodged by jumping.

I have less than 24hrs playing.

[vocal orbit]

oh nice nice, very helpful CM

[pulsar torrent]

ThAnKs LeT mE PuT tHaT In mY NoTes

[noble moon]

sooner or later he's gonna watch the game breath its last whimper of a breath too

if we dont get solos and duos back

[abstract marten]

empty marvelous chest

[vocal orbit]

the CM hasnt been active for a month, last time he messaged more than once was 5/21

[noble moon]

if we dont get solos back on monday night then its proof they hate their own community

[autumn jacinth]

honestly i was also against it when it happened but i played some high roller and its a load of fun now i cant go back to normals

[warped echo]

I suggest trying another game while they revert the change. Im trying PoE2 going well.

[gusty ruin]

is teaming in solos allowed?

[pallid swift]

high roller is become a sht show, even if a normal human being spends a whole week building a kit, they just get completly decked out by the 1% in absolute BiS every single game ..

[native crag]

can i, someone who plays through the launcher, play with someone on steam?

[lyric flint]

Ong simple fix is just do trio PVE, Solo Duo Trio Rare, Solo duo trio artifact

[vocal orbit]

yeah you add them ingame by name

[native crag]

i see now where it shows our account names >.>
my b
Thank you!

[random echo]

its so sad how much potential this game had all to see it squandered by poor development and weak leadership

[carmine ginkgo]

thank you for ruining the last ounce of fun in that game by taking away duos, this game is literally unplayable right now if you can't find a trio or simply don't want to, cy@ when this madness ends

[sacred cape]

this game should add gem pouches

[vocal orbit]

fax im doin same

[sacred cape]

high roller

[vocal orbit]

and my duo partner lol so thats -2

[pulsar torrent]

^

[warped echo]

[carmine ginkgo]

thanks but im not gonna keep suiciding 100 times without BiS gear on unlimited HR same as im not going to keep playing 100 games pve untill i find 1 bis epic gear if im lucky

[crimson vessel]

Does anyone know what's the place with the highest mummy spawn?

[carmine ginkgo]

tho trying to play 2v3 in blue gear is a task for highly addicted ppl

[sacred cape]

the game is quite literally made for pvp if you don’t like it stop whining and go play something else

[carmine ginkgo]

i want pvp on fair rules, not being forced to play against ppl that outgear me all the time and previous way it was desinged was very good, that is literally the first time since 500h im complaining about something in this game

[severe coyote]

You the kind of goofy that'll stand here when the playerbase is gone and think it makes you the champion for sticking around.

[vocal orbit]

lowkey feels good finally havin a reason to quit

[warped echo]

You know other folks paid for this game and they are in fact allowed to vent their frustration at the current events impacting the game.

[hexed burrow]

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good...

[sacred cape]

let me play a fighting game and then complain i’m forced to fight with good gear because i have gear fear

[warped echo]

Go back to HR and get farmed by streamers like the good boy you are.

[hexed burrow]

normal lobbies, you will be missed, you were the real game all along

[sacred cape]

i don’t get farmed thankfully i’m a decent player that runs hr constantly

[carmine ginkgo]

this guy is literally insane, leave him alone, he reads only comments he wants to and ingores all that makes his comments stupid or lack of logic

[warped echo]

🫵 🤣

[sacred cape]

keep playin normal lobbies not contributing to pvp at all and teaming in normal lobbies

[sacred cape]

you haven’t said one thing logical lol

[warped echo]

You are in no position to tell other players how to play the game.

[carmine ginkgo]

[vocal orbit]

you cant get good gear in pve, and there is no option now in normals to play duos so they litearlly deleted the progression system for duos and solos, its actually so wild how they are incompetant

[sacred cape]

don’t run around looking for gear.. get gold buy gear and killl other for more gear

[vocal orbit]

so dont play the game?

[lone heron]

didn't they say like two patches ago they don't want players to "progress" from mode to mode anymore? They want it to be a choice you make based on playstyle?

[sacred cape]

the game is all about fighting what are you talking about?

[carmine vigil]

They literally didn't, just queue HR in whatever you have, loot some chests and leave

[lone heron]

The beauty of this kind if game is it's about whatever you like it to be about

[vocal orbit]

you just said dont look for gear just buy it, what a shit idea for a fun game

[tribal zodiac]

Any wyvern killer?

[gusty sandal]

add a hideout in the game please. and a practice range there so we can test damages and such. and even add a little practice boss arena

[lone heron]

Room in an inn. leave to go to tavern with other players. backdoor for practice dummies. mage npc projects any enemy for you.

goty

[tribal zodiac]

I wish this is for Guild members.
+Cards to play / coin flips etc. that would be so cool

[sacred cape]

why spend hours looking for gear when you can simply buy it and fight immediately you are a robot

[lone heron]

I don't think you get extraction games

[tribal zodiac]

SSF is the way.

[brazen grove]

That would actually adding content or something nice instead we are going to flip flop some weird gear and balance changes forever in a circle

[old egret]

Dark and darker gambling inbound

[sacred cape]

looting around is gonna get you maybe 500-1000 gold a run when killing other for gear will get you 1-10k

[vocal orbit]

yeah buds a bot, for one thats just the most boring thing i've ever heard, and two you still need to farm gold for hours to buy anything

[tribal zodiac]

Thats happening anyway. Check Twitch, you can find there roulettes/poker etc for SK/GK etc 😄

[lone heron]

gambling between players would be so sick. Imagine if u could bet on your friends chances of extracting in their next match

[worldly sluice]

@glad thunder place a controlled death swarm as deadly as arena in each and every boss loot room that only goes away after defeating the boss tied to it, to prevent druid cheaters and regular cheaters from cheating loot into the economy

[gusty sandal]

fax

[old egret]

I am betting my entire stash (50 g coins)

[cobalt cairn]

I want to be able to bet on my chances of winning in arena, would be nice to actually have a way to make money in that mode

[raven hedge]

could someone help me get my old account on the game instead of this new one it made for me

[static pendant]

normals is so goddamn sweaty its unreal

[rapid vapor]

tbh why do we even have normals? like. either make it basekit only or just remove it too.

[trail flicker]

Calling it 'chef school' and not knowing the word 'culinary' is a brutal moment for you xD

[tough smelt]

they are and its ridiculous. but hey, at least streamers have fodder for their audience now though.

[small dust]

YEA THIS GAME SUCKS NOW

[trail flicker]

This is like 0.1% of the players so you are just thinking of something to say and spewing it, and its nonsense and embarrassing :))))

[teal stirrup]

Dead game

[tough smelt]

what happens when you have a 1 team of tryhards in a lobby of casuals?

[pulsar pebble]

I just can't believe its been like a year since anything of actual contents been added. like fuck me, the boys are itching for any content to give us a reason to reinstall

[uneven garden]

My experienc in normals: I go full bis with randoms. 9/10 times i run with noobs with no gear and die or escape but barely alive. I go with my friends in normals everyone bis 9/10 we kill newbies with maybe one or 2 of them on bis. Conclusion this game is stupid since the patch

[teal stirrup]

What do you mean they added an exciting new boss summoning mechanic that everyone loved so much they removed it 🤣🤣

Wonder how this game would be if Nexon won

[carmine vigil]

If you are running full bis get out of norms and play HR lmao

[uneven garden]

stupid commnetary that i shoudnt even answer but here we go. Normals rare is a mid hard game where you can have fun with some rare kits that are actually pretty fun to play instead of try harding on HR whihc i do as well but sometimes you just want to have some fun

[candid rain]

they need to give me my squire gear lobbies back -_- a friend just started playing but we only run into full optimal rare gear trios

[brave drift]

what counts as a dark magical spell for warlock

[carmine vigil]

You literally just said you are running around farming newbies without gear...

[uneven garden]

because before the patch was fun going duos or solo rares. Now you just cant

[brazen grove]

Nah, SDF rather wants to remove random modifiers from gear and in the meantime make the gear useless mid wipe by reducing all stats by like 50%-80%.

In my opinion removing random modifiers is a great idea but they have to add something else to make up for it. Instead we are flip flopping the same stuff in a circle for like 1 year. Like this game is basically all about the loot because it has nothing else for a live service game. Stop acting like this is mordhau 2 or something

[paper thicket]

guys, please, who is also sick of that stupid update. GO REVIEW BOMBING. It can actually make a difference

[carmine vigil]

You are the try hard in norms

[uneven garden]

Brother i know your neuron connections are stunted by the alchol or the drugs you do but please limit to at least answer thing that makes sense

[pulsar pebble]

I couldnt give 2 shits what they do with the gear. they could keep it all grey and have everyone equal and id be happy if there was fresh maps, fresh classes and greater long term gameplay systems

[carmine vigil]

Wild assumption for a timmie farmer

[surreal island]

How is arena rn====? Is it found gear only?

[uneven garden]

you clearly dont understand what i said. I hate to timmy farm. It was fun before the patch where rare was a place for rare kits. Now since timmies cant go normals commons they are here do you understand now?

[mint nebula]

no you can bring anything - uniques its the only thing keeping the game afloat rn

[surreal island]

Gotcha, thanks

[brave drift]

what are the dark magical spells for warlock?

[carmine vigil]

I hate to timmy farm, continues to queue norms in bis and farms timmies lmao

[rich jewel]

So, if I want to go down a level, and somebody decides they want to troll and wait out the timer in a corner… I’m to just sit and wait or give up my loot?

[brazen grove]

This is what i am saying. But as long as this said content isn't coming reducing the impact loot has is a really really bad idea, because it is basically the only thing keeping the game up.

[uneven garden]

... you defently need some help up there dude. You comprhension is 0

[carmine vigil]

You are back tracking so hard it's insane

[uneven garden]

I said something simple. Before the patch rare normals was fun casue i was fighting another dudes with rare kits. Now since the pathc im fighting mostly timmies. And i dont like that. So that was my experience which ruined my fun. you keep saying that i go there and farm timmies. Well my friend where im supouse to go to have some chill games? HR with artifacts?

[nova heron]

you have no brain

[subtle heart]

I dont think anyone likes that, timmies nor bis kits

[uneven garden]

he clearly doesnt but hey like my dad says there are dumbs and dumbs everywhere

[brave drift]

what are the dark magical spells for warlock?

[cerulean spruce]

i'm done with this patch... SDF just kicked all the solo-players.

[hardy hornet]

Bolt and ray of darkness

[carmine vigil]

Yeah so you are saying you would much rather have fun farming timmies with less gear than try to compete with people that may be better or have better gear, it's okay, not everyone enjoys a challenge I guess

[uneven garden]

Now his ego is hurted and he cant retreat from his position even if he sound dumb and dubmer in every answer

[brave drift]

does dark reflection block damage or just deal damage back

[uneven garden]

dude are you on drugs? Like for real. I said i dont like farm timmies i liked when rares was a place for fighting another rares.

[cerulean spruce]

Bro some of us dont have tiem to play 20h/day... I cant compete in HR vs full unique/artifact BYS virginians

[uneven garden]

Pleas @carmine vigil be a grown man and say sorry for missunderstanding me and we all fine here i will respect you honestly for that

[hardy hornet]

The new update is not it. This is update for the grindy, disgusting, sweat-filled pool of filthy unbathed unwashed crusty vermin. I don't have hundreds of hours to spend weekly on this game unlike these shower-avoiding gremlins. They removed any opportunity to play casually.

[wet barn]

@uneven garden yea I'm having the same problem

[carmine vigil]

While making excuses for not wanting to play HR "where am I supposed to go to have chill games", you're good bro, you're allowed to queue norms and farm timmies while wearing bis but don't try pretend you arent

[uneven garden]

right? it's kind of frustrating

[uneven garden]

get lost dude haha your ego is going to make your life tough

[carmine vigil]

You're the one that can't admit he's farming noobs while wearing bis lmao

[still tusk]

bro having ego in discord 🥶🥶🥶

[umbral solstice]

Does anyone like this update its so bad

[carmine vigil]

Just own it

[cerulean tiger]

im confused is there no norms solos now?

[uneven garden]

Dude keeps missunderstanding .... my man get your problems in house fixed casue you clearly want yo argue withe veryone you can and that show so much inner problems that you have and honestly i dont want to feel them throw your commentaries

[wet barn]

I miss solos

[hardy hornet]

Nope, you can't play casually anymore. You can get 1v3'd or match with randoms who will steal loot

[cerulean spruce]

Nop, now u need to play vs no-life guys in HR or 1v3 in normals

[wet barn]

Ramdoms suck and are naked 99% of the time

[carmine vigil]

Now you are just avoiding the topic and trying to get personal lmao

[main bison]

is left or right circle easier for troll?

[uneven garden]

@carmine vigil did you reported me? ... what can i say haha i guess nothing.

[hardy hornet]

I can't tell you how many times a random has killed me for "a red name"

[wet barn]

Left

[odd nacelle]

Please let it respectful here

[cerulean tiger]

It seems like maybe an insider in the company is purposefully trying to get the game killed can we get someone on this?

[hardy hornet]

The new update is not it. This is update for the grindy, disgusting, sweat-filled pool of filthy unbathed unwashed crusty vermin. I don't have hundreds of hours to spend weekly on this game unlike these shower-avoiding gremlins. They removed any opportunity to play casually.

[carmine vigil]

No, it's just very clear where you got emotional

[uneven garden]

you are reporting the wrong person but its fine. I will shut my mouth

[atomic vortex]

Whut? XD

[cerulean tiger]

I feel like all the feedback the community gives is just stop making abrupt drastic changes to the game and they just keep going

[hardy hornet]

How about we do monthly updates instead of weekly?

[uneven garden]

i got a warning for my commentary just that. So im sorry for that and i want to keep being on this servers so i will just not say anything

[unborn adder]

game really taking a Turn for the worse hackers are more relevant then ever and teaming is now enforced

[odd nacelle]

Just dont forget about rules 🫴 💕

[unborn adder]

its like Apex the premades and wall hacks are laughable this game is dead

[atomic vortex]

ahh ohh i see ye i collect the warnings and timeouts and bans for this server 😄

[uneven garden]

Yeah tom but i understand i might say something bad not too bad but broke the rules. But you should warn people like Chef casue he is triggering with his attitude and commentaries normalk people that tries to epxlain a normal thing

[stiff spire]

Wth why all portals spawn undermap ???

[uneven garden]

Anwyays sorry Tom wont happen again

[odd nacelle]

[carmine vigil]

Calling you out for something you actually said isn't against the rules

[hardy hornet]

Tired of all the bullshit balancing patches. Them taking an adding game modes. Tired of them appealing to the "content" creators. This game ruined any semblance of casual play/pvp. Why do I need to go to HR to be able to play by myself? Should be the other way around.

[static pendant]

true

[atomic vortex]

When did they ever appeal to content creators? LMFAO

[uneven garden]

You keep missing the main points on the argues... didnt say that is against the rules. Anyways good luck in life you will need it with that attitude. And please don't answer me back thx

[carmine vigil]

Good luck for you too

[umbral solstice]

ADD CONTENT CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE

[odd nacelle]

[static pendant]

removing queues counts right

[odd nacelle]

Back fog of war?!

[umbral solstice]

imagine if they added content they would have more players then they wouldnt need to remove queues

[uneven garden]

hoenstly it's not a bad idea

[static pendant]

crazy innit

[atomic vortex]

Multiclassing first

[upbeat haven]

Im kinda hyped for this water map

[umbral solstice]

still waiting for the skill tree

[odd nacelle]

What you think about new mobs?
Something like water skeletons?

[atomic vortex]

soon right after we get quivers

[hardy hornet]

Imagine if they didn't nerf/buff classes to shit every fucking week. Then they wouldn't have the issue of a dwindling player base

[static pendant]

that'll be after monk class

ETA: "soon™️"

[upbeat haven]

I havent seen any tbh

[hardy hornet]

That will be after the gathering Hall

[uneven garden]

But i have to say if fog of war is back there should be more changes like maybe no market? Like market should be only to buy stuff to craft stuff.

[atomic vortex]

But still before the guilds right?

[odd nacelle]

I want ssf arena

[static pendant]

I sure love the game being trios only for the most populated lobbies and having region lock

surely that won't stop people from playing with their friends or in their own region

[uneven garden]

Do you play normals trio with gear or without? and how many hours do you have in the game?

[scenic frost]

Are luck potions worth it? Do they actually make a big difference?

[umbral solstice]

imagine making goblin cav es trio only also how dumb are thea devs

[static pendant]

im a week into legendary and I was cruising through questing and learning GC bosses until I had to random queue with two other timmies to get rolled by the resident Dark and Darker Johns minmaxing white - blue gear

[atomic vortex]

what do you mean? The solo map aint great for trios ? ???

[uneven garden]

Interesting so as a new player you like the rare trios?

[hardy hornet]

The queue changes should be the other way around. Make high rollers trio only.

[static pendant]

I prefer solos lmao

I don't have the money for HR, and again, very new

[uneven garden]

Nah becasue getting Demigos would be a pain in the ass haha

[umbral solstice]

hr is boring i have to fight 100 million nightmare mobs i just wanna pvp

[hardy hornet]

If they want to appeal to the majority of the player base. A miniscule amount of players actually go for demigod

[uneven garden]

Yes makes sense. I feel like new players must have a rought time. Im trying to help the newbies i see but they must have a rought time now

[static pendant]

people will say "just run bosses in PvE" lol but then you go into adventure maps and then the bosses are gone the moment you spawn, and if you do get to fight bosses, everyone is camping them to last hit and steal loot

[uneven garden]

i go for demigod in every season and i would cry a lot if HR solos doesnt exist honestly xD

[uneven garden]

I feel you brother. I didnt played PVE more than 2 games and it's a shit show haha

[hardy hornet]

I get that, honestly. But if they want to appeal to the "casual" player or new players they should have the opportunity to play solo without going to HR

[static pendant]

its still crazy to me that they do shit like this with zero warning or prior announcements or even consulting the players in any way shape or form, no Q&A, no polls, nothing

[languid cloak]

How much magic power should I have as a sorc I have been having trouble trying to balance my dmg move speed knowledge for memory and spell casting speed and action speed and when I get only 20 magic power it feels like I tickle to everyone even with true magic on

[upbeat haven]

I dont even think thats bad, a massive amount of people go base kit into hr and truthfully its where most people should be spending their time

[atomic vortex]

New players cant go hr

[cerulean spruce]

The worst about the new 1v3 mode?

Is ever 1v6

[static pendant]

yeah if trios start teaming in normals im fucking done

and you know they would

[uneven garden]

Look the problem here is that the player base is not high so they try to regroup everyone in a mode. But that's a bad a idea because it's like making a dish with the worst ingredients but putting saucer to make it taste good. What they have to do it's a road map where an objective is clear and making the game better and better by rifght balances and new content. Making the game better and more famouse. That's the main problem

[upbeat haven]

Nightmare axeman might be the best argument for why hrs is unfriendly

[static pendant]

axemen normally are annoying as shit

[uneven garden]

Mr Terminotor AKA Tanos it's crazy in nightamare literally can one shot people xD

[odd nacelle]

With shield/long sword/good move speed - it isnt a problem.
But in my first time it was...

[coarse dock]

Boss kills should give a small reset. Like a free morale boost, spell refill, and a +3 all or something. And it only applies this buff to the team that did the most damage to boss

[limber pewter]

are these que changes made because the game is bleeding so many players and cant fill the empty lobbies or because IM actually wants to make some fundamental changes for once? please tell me its the ladder i want this game to come back so bad

[scenic frost]

Are luck potions worth it? Do they actually make a big difference?

[atomic vortex]

THey dont want a roadmap because they know the vision changes depending on sdfs mood, if they would have a roadmap players could hold them accountable
And we dont want that here 🙂
#eaforever

[uneven garden]

Tom dont lie even with that if you miss you are gone xD

[upper mist]

I literally watched a nightmare axeman walk up and steal my blue

[static pendant]

boss doors absolutely should close behind the first team in PvE to walk in until they're dead or the boss is dead, no in betweens

[solar raft]

yo can anyone lend me some gold? Im down to 6 through a series of unfortunate decisions and building a hr kit.

[uneven garden]

A lot of companies downfalls are for attitudes like that

[odd nacelle]

Im professional
No mistakes on my 110hp ranger
Just use your spear to 100% potential

[uneven garden]

i trust you but never trust a Terminator

[atomic vortex]

yep

[uneven garden]

With the sorcerer at least i can 2 tap him

[hardy hornet]

True magic does affect the Magical Power stat. True Magic is always the best.

[zealous bear]

Hi, what are the chances that a named spawns in the boss room? "spectral-banshee"

[hardy hornet]

Yes but they ruin any opportunities of new players starting

[uneven garden]

Not really. What it does is just goes throw every defense. If you check the formula you can see right at the end outside the (x+12 ) the true magical

so the formula its something like (x+12 - PDR) + true damage

[hardy hornet]

Correct me if Im wrong magic power is added on at the start of the calculation while true mag is added at the end

[uneven garden]

exaclty bypasss every damage reduction from the enemy

[odd nacelle]

And ignore limb xDmg

[uneven garden]

that's a joke. I didnt know that but makes sense since trues are outside the formula

[hardy hornet]

That until SDF changes it next week

[uneven garden]

look dont make me talk about that individual because Tom is going to ban me so hard xD

[atomic vortex]

No that would be more than just shuffeling around some numbers... not gonna happen

[odd nacelle]

Nah
I love you <3

[uneven garden]

I got banned in the past i dont want that to happen again haha

[hardy hornet]

Good point. That's WAY too much work. They'll just nerf all the magic spells to the dirt then true magic won't matter anyway

[atomic vortex]

Dont worry even the wardens shit on sdf.......🫃

[sand spoke]

I wanna play solos i am upset that there is not solo’s. I do not like playing high roller this should not be a thing

[odd nacelle]

Please refrain from comments like this to us

[uneven garden]

lmao

[atomic vortex]

meh i know randos can be annoying but usually they are not that bad, just join norm trios ?

[hardy hornet]

My experience is that they take all the loot as quickly as possible

[atomic vortex]

I execute the lootgoblins always

[rare venture]

I've been playing trios with randoms and it's been great

[hardy hornet]

Banned 🫃

[uneven garden]

i literally teamkilled someone for that . I regreat after and revive him but i explained to him that if its my kill i loot first. And i usaully dont care i was mad for something else and i paid it with him.

[atomic vortex]

pff i would have revived him just to kill him again

[rare venture]

I mean, that just sounds like you are greedy too. I don't care who loots i just wanna win the fights and get out

[uneven garden]

i mean i have a lot of money and i really dont mind but someone that doesnt have that much i understand the anger

[atomic vortex]

Its not about the moneyz its about respect when i kill a goddamn wolf i want to loot the pelt off of him same goes for kills

[uneven garden]

Yes but why i have to let someone loot my kill when i know he wont share it with me if it was the opposite.

[hardy hornet]

Not just the money, it's mainly quest items

[uneven garden]

exactly! I try to share always

[static pendant]

like I said

surely the trios only thing won't force loot stealing/fighting and teamkilling lmao

[real compass]

surely!

[static pendant]

why would it right guys

[atomic vortex]

Doesnt happen very often tho maybe 1 / 10 games

[static pendant]

it doesn't happen at all in solos

[uneven garden]

Btw can i report someone for literally teamkilling me on the spawn and loot al my bis? and then leaving? He is sdumb because i got everything back. But can i report that?

[static pendant]

you can but don't be surprised if nothing happens but his name being red lul

[atomic vortex]

i know it sucks^^

[sterile anvil]

only play trios, never really had this issue but i only play with adults

[hardy hornet]

Earlier today I FINALLY got a centars hoof only to get team killed and my quest item stolen

[odd nacelle]

Read the channel #in-game-reports

[uneven garden]

Dude i was laughing so hard when he was looting me like hell yeah i got the bis xD

[static pendant]

it shouldn't have to even be a worry or possibility of a concern

[nova pumice]

I can’t believe this stupid patch still hasn’t been rolled back.

[sterile anvil]

dont play with shitters and it wont be

[static pendant]

in a perfect world none of us would surely

[elfin fern]

believe it, they're coming for hr solos and duos next because they are cooked

[real compass]

next update, only hr, only trios.

[hardy hornet]

That would take the dev team and SDF too much effort. Heaven forbid they burn a few calories by typing on the computer

[static pendant]

adding things is too hard

removing things or changing numbers randomly is like 3x easier so they should do that instead and never add anything

[uneven garden]

ah yes tom i know how to report i never did but i ahve read it. What i mean is what would happen to someone that did that? do you know if has been some case like that?

[odd nacelle]

I'm only discord moderator
So don't know

[hardy hornet]

I don't trust that. I've been filing bug reports for weeks when they took my HR rewards this wipe and still nothing

[sterile anvil]

many many hours of finding trios through the discord and i've never once been tk'd on purpose. sometimes people hold out with loot on you but its usually because they just dont know, not out of malice

[static pendant]

also

if we're worried about the queue splits with the playerbase
Why are we apparently adding a water map

what kind of prioritization is that

[uneven garden]

I have a friend that watch me play almost always but he doesnt play he just like to watch me play. And talking about how broken is druid he told me, if the company is korean i woudnt be surprise that the son of the president plays druid and they dont nerf it to have him happy lmao. I laughed so hard

[static pendant]

why do I have to go on a Discord LFG channel to play a game when it was perfectly fine before lmao

[atomic vortex]

Vision TM

[uneven garden]

Thx tom no worries i really dont care and i dont like to lose my time in such a subject like that but honestly the dude was so dumb that he took my stuff to the extraction lmao

[hardy hornet]

I would trust the vision but SDF is fucking blind

[sterile anvil]

you can run hr, but i agree it sucks to force people into trios. team killing and in fighting just isn't really an issue

[static pendant]

the vision apparently must have astigmatism

[gritty flume]

Entire friend group just laughing at how busted ranger is in arena, completely rediculous

[uneven garden]

It's more like the tunnel vision

[static pendant]

I don't have the money for gear for HR or the ante lmao

at least consistently for sure

[atomic vortex]

Then play pve there you get your ante together

[hardy hornet]

Guess your forced to loot poor bangles in Adventure mode till you can get your bread up

[uneven garden]

skinki 100 gold is cheap but if you are new and you die to mobs then you are wasting money there. But if you master the mobs trust me you can get rich so easy in HR

[static pendant]

gearing for HR isn't though is it

[sterile anvil]

yeah i understand the frustration. i always played trios or duos anyway, so it's not a big deal to me, but i doubt this change will last long

[wanton otter]

hows the balance rn

[uneven garden]

you dont need to gear it. Just jump in whites and get rich

[static pendant]

I tried that and died like 3 times each time

[hardy hornet]

*Jump in whites and die

[atomic vortex]

Pff a week tops honeslty im surprised they havent reverted already

[placid lotus]

Yeah but the moment they get to HR they gotta compete against people running full unique kits. and likely the average player needs like 1k hours before they'll ever be able to run a kit like that

[sterile anvil]

probably two since they slowed down on patches

[uneven garden]

that's because you need to learn the game first. I can do that and survive very easy. I did this season that like 4 times and i was getting out of inferno with 3k each time

[static pendant]

I was learning the game great until I was forced to enter sweaty ass 3v3 after 3v3 with this patch lul

I said it before but again, if I see any trios teaming in normals, im dropping this game

[uneven garden]

I feel you brother. I dont blame you i would be mad if i was new with this new patch

[atomic vortex]

Come on now trios with randoms are everything but sweaty....

[static pendant]

on our end no

for everyone else in the lobby apparently

[uneven garden]

Lukas im going to pin you my experience

[grizzled apex]

ohh, all items are now retained after loss in arena? not just crafted or looted?

[sterile anvil]

almost every team in trios rares is min maxed, its kind of dumb

[static pendant]

consumables will not be replenished, thats it

you can actually make money from arena now

[uneven garden]

My experienc in normals: I go full bis with randoms. 9/10 times i run with noobs with no gear and die or escape but barely alive. I go with my friends in normals everyone bis 9/10 we kill newbies with maybe one or 2 of them on bis. Conclusion this game is stupid since the patch

[void vale]

My favorite weapon is the stinky stick because i havent showered in weeks ahahahaha 😅

[atomic vortex]

no one plays anything higher than squire when he plays with randos lol

[grizzled apex]

oh howw

[static pendant]

why would you do that when its up to blue tho

[sterile anvil]

risk nothing but the meds

[static pendant]

chests will have green or blue spawns, there's a couple on your side of the map on each arena map, nothing crazy but its nice

[atomic vortex]

why would you ever go full bis with randoms ?
Just look for other sweatlords in here then

[worldly sluice]

Can we add boss summoning back into the game? but like for free??? and rework the old boss summoning items to summon said bosses but add a loot bonus instead? is this a bad idea?

[grizzled apex]

you keep loot even after loss?

[static pendant]

so you can just die to minmaxing Dark and Darker Johns and do it again and again?

and yes, you do @grizzled apex

[uneven garden]

that's not true look most of the time people has barely nothing but there is sometimes the trio of friend full bis cleaning literally the lobby.

[sterile anvil]

they shouldn't but they do. i dont really get it. z-h is more fun anyway

[uneven garden]

I mean where im supouse to use my rare bis? haha

[atomic vortex]

ye they meet up on this discord in one of the lfg channels

[spiral mist]

yo

[sterile anvil]

its the potential come up from killing a geared team. if you're a really good trio you can beat min maxed teams by just being better, but its hard and not likely with randoms

[uneven garden]

i do that with my friends and when we play trios we go full bis and literally kill everyone. That's no fun man I want fights that are fair for everyone

[grizzled apex]

is the whole losing no gear in arena gonna be permanent?

[hardy hornet]

It's been like that the whole wipe so I assume so but you never know with these weekly patches

[uneven garden]

Nothing is permament in this game it depends of SDF mood

[static pendant]

thats my point

[atomic vortex]

wrong game then i guess, i mean isnt the entire point of getting good loot that you can then wipe the dungeon with your undergeared enemies ?

[uneven garden]

dont be that radical i know the game is not fair at all. But at least before the patch i was fighting rare kits in duos with a friend and having so much fun. Now it's all timmies and well sometimes in inferno on the ghost king you have nice fights but just that

[sterile anvil]

can also play it more slowly and loot up before taking on another team

[static pendant]

gear gap isn't fun

[atomic vortex]

oh it can be very fun if your the person thats onehitting rogues

[uneven garden]

Another problem that i see is that the points of interest in the maps are just a few and the whole lobby concentrate in those. So fog of war is needed back with some other chagnes to make it viable and more points of interest so the pvp is not all in the ghost king for example xD

[static pendant]

its fun for you until nobody else is playing because of it

[fiery pilot]

Thoughts on only allowing one gem stat now per item now that all attributes is in the game? Obviously can remove old gem socket an replace with what you want if you loot gear

[maiden girder]

Barb is op, make the game trios only

[elfin fern]

i played it solely for number go up, i have no interest in getting and using bis

[atomic vortex]

Thats why we have gear brackets no?

[uneven garden]

barb i s kind of broken now but nothing compared to druids or smite clerics but at least smite clerics are avoidable if you bait them

[static pendant]

they're far less rigid now

[atomic vortex]

Would it be more appealing for you if veryone would start with the same kit?

[maiden girder]

Kind of broken? lemme run piss gear in high rollers and see what I come out with

[sonic veldt]

is it just me or us dropin 5 k active players in this update says wipe dead XD 💀

[uneven garden]

i mean if you compare it with druids barb is just a little kid with a lolipop

[uneven garden]

it says that this is the worst patch ever made. that 5k are proably new players that now have 0 opportunity to learn pvp

[maiden girder]

I have 500 hours and I quit now I only played duos and solos

[atomic vortex]

We have literally the exact same amount of players as we had last week.....

[static pendant]

I honestly liked everyone having to bring in the same rarity and loot better gear in raid

[uneven garden]

i understand your decision and it's sad that a game like this is dying because has the worst director proyect that i have ever seen.

[static pendant]

14k yesterday, 9k today on Steamdb

[nova ginkgo]

Ok they removed boss summooning so why are frozen hearts and war horns stills o gosh dang expensive

[main bison]

its the start of a holiday weekend btw ppl might be traveling

[atomic vortex]

ye same as today ....

[uneven garden]

no idea 4k for a frozen heart haha ridiculouse

[elfin fern]

frustration takes time to build, not everyone is going to knee jerk away from what is an obviously shit decision

[static pendant]

I wonder exactly HOW large the F2P population of this game is too, and how much that inflates it

also speaking on trios, considering that F2P players could possibly make up the bulk of the playerbase, considering they can't run HR and are forced into normals, having to play trios very well may not appeal to them very much

[inland hatch]

broo can sdf just do what he does best and flip flop the normal trios change already

[main bison]

you can craft and sell for more btw

[uneven garden]

no way

[main bison]

i dont know how much the other ingredient is but i was flipping yesterday for profit

[uneven garden]

what should i craft the item to summon?

[main bison]

yea summon item was profit but check prices before u do it RN it could be fixed on price

[spiral mist]

WARLOCK

[uneven garden]

okey i cheked and it's just 300 more so not worth it. summon its like 4.899 and heart it's like 4499

[main bison]

u check to vendor?

[uneven garden]

ah no

[main bison]

your not reselling to market to vendor

[static pendant]

Barb feels really good with no gear ngl

I just got an easy ass kill on a level 1 fresh Barb lul

[uneven garden]

make sense

[uneven garden]

the problem of barb is that is the worst scaling class so with no gear is always good but with gear there are classes that escalate way better

[static pendant]

the casters seem to scale high, rogue too

[grizzled apex]

ohhh

[uneven garden]

defentky casters have good escalating and rangers man... rangers makes no sense how broken they are with good kits. Like no sense.

[static pendant]

is there a list of what modules have rez altars for each map

[uneven garden]

to vendor is 4700k so 200/300 profit but if you have to buy the eyes its just 100 profit then

[main bison]

yeah last night i was buying hearts for 4k and i had eyes already

[uneven garden]

im seeling them now hehehe

[main bison]

W

[static pendant]

playing ye olde stock market is foul

[uneven garden]

mmm it's not updated but i can send you a webpage and you can check at least some of them

[main bison]

ive made about 22k total gold since starting tuesday, how much would a strong arena kit be for a fighter?

[static pendant]

the hell have you been doing

[atomic vortex]

100k + to have a chance

[pine flower]

why

[smoky shale]

Does Dungeon recoveries work if you fall into the Void in Ice Caves/Ice Abyss?

[uneven garden]

He is a big boy like me xD. I literally made in 15 min 50k xD i got lucky and found a chest on the pile wich is worth 44k

[main bison]

my strat might be frowned apon

[severe coyote]

so now teamkillers show up with a red name, why can they even team with people if they have a red name?

[uneven garden]

dude since the hearts are so high the best way its farming frozen hearts

[wicked lynx]

anyone else have the cyclops just stand still and not aggro and not take dmg??

[main bison]

im not farming hearts :p

[uneven garden]

In my case i had the name on red cause a friend down vote me every time because we wanted to have the name in red haha

[atomic vortex]

ye happens sometimesm this bug is in the game since they brought him out

[uneven garden]

i think they are too busy buffing the druid to fix that

[frozen prism]

if I fall into the void on pve can I get my stuff from gobby merch???

[elfin fern]

no

[uneven garden]

i have heard you wont get it back. i mean kind of make sense who is going to go down there for you stuff? xD

[elfin fern]

wendigo hunting can get you that kind of money pretty easily

[old egret]

Play trios in rares and you get that for free

[uneven garden]

lmao im playing that and i even got teamkilled by some random just to grab my bis rares and exctract with it. What he didnt know is that i get the stuff back lmao

[static pendant]

go into GC randos trios

do Cyclops

fight Cyclops for like 5 mins

get burnt by Sorc

rockfall finishes me

great experience

[static pendant]

bruh I just learned Cyclops

[uneven garden]

it's actually making you stronger trust me. One day you will be that sorcerer doing that to others xD

[main bison]

how hard is cyclops?

[static pendant]

not very

[uneven garden]

easiest boss on the game

[elfin fern]

wendigos are significantly easier than any boss, and pay much better than troll/clops with less griefing

[uneven garden]

that's a fact

[main bison]

yeah i kinda despise gob cave

[static pendant]

oh its a miniboss

[main bison]

i learned lich on my own so far, cant really learn troll its killing me way to fast but im down to give cyclops a try

[elfin fern]

if/when the people who grief gobbo bosses catch on to how good wendy hunting is it will probably be just as if not more miserable

[static pendant]

what module in Ruins/Ice Cavern?

I tried Spectral Knight and he wasn't bad

[uneven garden]

it's a miniboss on ice caverns whjen you go down

[rapid vapor]

Troll is very easy once you get it down. Just kinda tedious

[static pendant]

where in Abyss does it spawn, anywhere?

[main bison]

yeah i was trying for about 2 hours last night but i just couldnt grasp it i cant read his animations kinda

[elfin fern]

it has four spawns, one at top right, three at left, bottom left, and bottom

[static pendant]

I haven't really tried troll yet

[uneven garden]

It's funny that i have 2k hours in this game and i know how to kill everyboss in the game but the Troll xD. I just dont want to learn it lmao

[static pendant]

each is a set chance right

[rapid vapor]

I recommend searching a video on how to do it. It'll make it a lot easier

[elfin fern]

100% spawn chance. the catch is having the time and having to compete with others for them

Hearts are fairly rare though, just to warn you

[static pendant]

is Ice Abyss more dangerous than Inferno???

[uneven garden]

nah. You might feel like it at the begining but is totally not.

[main bison]

im not a visual learner at all like i watched a few people last night doing it then i try to attempt and nothing

i have to be walked through it kinda to learn on my own

[uneven garden]

There are some mobs like the skeletons with mace and shield that if you are new are annoying as hell but once you know the trick is so easy

[main bison]

tabaco you think you would be able to help me learn ghost king in pve? we can do pvp but im not super experienced just yet

[fading elk]

When are high roller awards being shown

[uneven garden]

oh yeah dude wanna jump in now?

[main bison]

yeah im down to do it now i just finished my raid

[uneven garden]

sure thing EU or NA=

[main bison]

im NA

[uneven garden]

ok im in EU

[main bison]

ah bit of a ping gap :c

[uneven garden]

go to Eu frankfurt trading post

[main bison]

im freakydrainer in there

[uneven garden]

sorry gathering hall i meant

[grizzled apex]

is crystal ball better than spellbook now for wizard?

[lunar mesa]

when can i play solo blues again???????????

[waxen tide]

If someone enters an active boss arena in Hr they shoulnt be able to leave, they need to implement some sort of ainti third party when a player is bossing. This game feels so bland dude.

[shut timber]

Cant wendio hunt in base gear and cant kit it norms against trios anymore lol

[abstract crater]

who knows the ppl running this circus have no idea

[shut timber]

They are sabotaging the game its like not even up for debate

[lunar mesa]

SO rediculous. theyre just catoring to streamers. at this point get rid of pve !

ALSO agree with @shut timber above me. devs are throwing

[silver current]

for warlock. 10% will or 30% longer curse is better?

[lone heron]

Anyone actually encountered another solo in normals yet? I'm trying them again bc I'm on a new character with less money but it's slow going when it's all trios

[real compass]

ive seen like two. i normally play in trios so i make my mission to leave em be unless theyre being stupid lol

otherwise its basically all trios

[nocturne dome]

Anyone know why my heater shield didn't block 5 felling axe hits

[thorn sundial]

took solos out why

[bright swan]

wait why is it only trios?

[static pendant]

youre more than a bit late to the party

[lone heron]

man how long will this be asked?

It's for reducing queues and "the vision." It's stupid and will be reverted but they probably won't come up with another solution so nothing will have been gained and time will have been wasted

I repeat: Do away with PvE, add a training mode to all rarity brackets, add squire solos and trios, solos duos and trios in normals, solos and trios in HR. Barely more than this, much more functional

[glossy maple]

Anybody else lagging rn

[lone heron]

and doesn't split queues with appeal like PvE does, probably much better

[lone heron]

I've had a few disconnects today but nothing atm

[faint dove]

they gonna fix ghost king or what we just leave it

actually insane these fucking devs suck

[lone heron]

what's wrong with him? brand new so i don't know any prior reference

[plush sky]

so do people actually queue solo's in norms now without filling? or is it just a flood of trio's owning every lobby? just curious, havent played since sunday so i dunno if i should even bother trying norms solo no fill or not

[faint dove]

he does the damage of two screams

[lone heron]

I do but i've had trouble finding other solos. All trios so far

[plush sky]

word, ty for the heads up!

[lone heron]

note, this might not be because they aren't there, but because they are actually hiding and my newbie eyes can't fish them out

[jaunty hemlock]

No more solo duo wtf??

[lone heron]

that's 3 in 10 minutes folks a new record for 3 days in

We've all been theorizing and debating and whining about it, play HR or wait it out. This won't stick.

[jaunty hemlock]

Yea cause it was a awful choice lol

[lone heron]

Of course, but nobody needs you to start the discussion, it's ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

[plush sky]

i dunno, still havent loaded a game yet, but like im just not down to always HR if i wanna solo now, i find that very backwards from where the game used to be. Sure its fun to sweat at times, but if norms arent even doable because everyone is queue'ing as trio's how its "supposed to be now" then i wont even bother.

[jaunty hemlock]

shhh

[lone heron]

is HR even that sweaty? forgive me, I'm new, but I've done maybe 5 so far and they've all had minimal player presence and they played about the same as the ones I find in normals. Kicked my ass, but not because they were tryhards, just because I'm a new player.

[bright swan]

I mean the reason were all complaining is because we want solos back I why is that so bad to keep mentioning it? It shows that its a real problem the devs need to check into

[plush sky]

it depends, sometimes i go 10 matches in a row where i dont encounter a sweat, then other times it would be every game. sucks too that im a barb main cuz its legit the worst class at the highest level of gear/play but wtv, i get by

[obtuse shuttle]

you can't get back your gear from the goblin all the mobs are stronger and supposedly has better players.. as a new player it was way more fun to play solo in the normal lobbies

if i go without gear into hr i spend 3 years to kill any mob and die to the mobs on cocaine if i try to fight anyone because you aggro 2000 of them and they are super fast and if i invest in some gear i lose everything because im not that good to survive fights so the only nice thing i found to do is play solo and just loot and try to get out without even trying to fight people unless im 10000% sure its only one guy

[bright swan]

in solos I can just go in and have a relaxing time looting, I dont want to have to be forced to play ranked

[plush sky]

exactly, and some occasional non stressful fun pvp where its an even fight

[lone heron]

I didn't know gear was auto-insured for my first like 20 games so that's not much of a loss, the stronger mobs are REALLY fun, the normal ones, while they still hit me bc i'm bad at dodging, are really very boring and annoying, and I don't let "supposedly" statements scare me off. Mindset diff I'm afraid.

[plush sky]

you sound pretty chill man, if you wanna queue up some norms and have some fun im down. idc that ur new, i got many hours logged and nowhere near a top level player lol. we can find a 3rd and just have some fun if ur down? @obtuse shuttle also 🙂

[lone heron]

Ah, I prefer to play these kinds of games on my own, but thank you for the offer. I might return it somewhere down the line, but as-is I'll have to refuse.

[plush sky]

no worries yo, was just throwing it out there to shoot some shit together haha. 🙂

[obtuse shuttle]

before i could go in solo and not take 3 years to kill one mob without investing gold for gear, and if you aggro too many its not easy to get rid of them like on norms which makes fights annoying (happened more than once that i got body blocked by mobs because they are just so fast there) im afraid its not a mindset diff i just went to sleep and it was a different game the next day xD

[full creek]

WHY AM I GETTING LEAVE PENALTY

[lone heron]

on a different note, how often has anyone gotten use out of song of shadow? I kind of want to trade discord for it, but pitting the mobs against each other and creating an obstacle in a chase is really fun, and while it seems nice I'm not sure how often it would be needed

[full creek]

i didnt even leave early

[north night]

The invis song? you can't move during it so its kinda useless. Players nearby would hear u playing the song, and if they can't hear it then theres no point stealthing, it doesn't last for very long.

Discord I've heard is butcheeks in actual scenarios but I've never tried it, is it good?

[main raven]

Its really fun to just go completely invisible and hold a crossbow though. Anyone who decides to push you gets to lose 50 health for free

[north night]

Hmmm I could see it being useful like that yeah, very specific tho for the memory pts, Unchained harmony just too good lol gimme money

[elfin fern]

hello, 3000 hour bard here.
song of shadow is very niche, but it can be useful on rare occasions:

1. you need to reaggro enemies on someone pursuing you
2. you know an enemy is pursuing you, and you are far enough away that they can't hear you playing, and/or obscured enough they can't see your music chime.

[main raven]

I mean, if literally anyone's near you they'll know you're invisible, but unless they actually see you go invisible they're still pushing blind

[north night]

Yea, I just don't think in this meta it's good because bards just get ran down and slaughtered by barbarians (I know im the barb, and was the bard many times)

[frosty prairie]

my friend and i just opened one of the marvelous chests in a mystic gem room and it was empty

[main raven]

seems to be a common bug right now

[lone heron]

I've never had a chance to use it on a player, but it's really fun to wrangle a bunch of monsters into fighting each other. They become quite a blob since its "the closest enemy" so they all kind of navigate into each other, I'm sure it could be used to create an obstacle.

[north night]

When I'm playing bard I play like a ranger lol if ppl get close im basically dead it always feels like. whats ur build for solo HR bard @elfin fern

[frosty prairie]

spent 2.7k for a common bug your trolling

[elfin fern]

i quit because of this most recent patch, but i built primarily ms and hp for ratting

[main raven]

I've seen complaints about the same thing on the Reddit. Still, the actual gold pile is better than the chests would be

[frosty prairie]

fair

[elfin fern]

in whites i would run castillon, bait screams, kite and poke with castillon, using jolly time to stay out of range

[main raven]

Also if the mobs kill each other you're supposed to get kill credit for it rofl

[north night]

Okay as a 3k hr player im curiious what made u wanna quit this patch? solos/duos, removing of summons, or item changes?

[elfin fern]

white lobby and solo/duo removal

[main raven]

I mean, I think most people like the summon removal

[north night]

Okay this is what im curious abt, with 3k hrs why do u care abt the noob lobbies lol

[main raven]

I think calling them the "noob" lobbies says enough by itself, honestly

[north night]

I'm at 200hrs and I only play HR/arena and pve when im chilling watchin vids

[elfin fern]

they made this amazing gameplay loop that existed entirely independent of the actual loot and gear system

[north night]

in what way? Common lobbies were for noobs. Devs said so lol

[lone heron]

See that's the issue they're not noob lobbies, they're no investment lobbies.

[main raven]

The devs have said fucking everything at this point lmao

[cerulean spruce]

i have 808 hours and the game is imposible to play for me... 1v3 in normals or get one-shoted by full bis warlock or barb in HR

[ebon anchor]

devs are dumb asf

[north night]

go in fight and die, rinse and repeat?

[main raven]

Squire lobbies aren't "noob" lobbies, they're the "i hate how stupid gear is and just want a fair fight" lobbies

[elfin fern]

exactly. and lots of other people with experience with the game did the same in every bracket

[north night]

That's what they've become for ppl who don't like geared lobbies, yes. That was never the intention though.

[lone heron]

They also said they don't want lobbies to represent progression when they changed everything about the queues two updates ago

[main raven]

Clearly the intentions don't seem to matter at all for the devs though lmao

[elfin fern]

this is a problem with people who make products i've noticed since runescape 2007, they think about their own design instead of emergent use of the product

[north night]

@lone heron I believe the proggression the spoke of was an idea that you should be moving from que to que as you get better gear, they do want to have different lobbies to represent progression of your account, wealth, and overall gear

[lone heron]

but not skill

[plush sky]

yep, norms r a bust. sigh

[main raven]

Going from no PvP at all straight to BiS trios is insanity and cannot be defended

[north night]

It can, because you just don't play hr my friend no offense. at least 30% of everyone in hr is in white gear. Go into a lobby, die to a mob, and spectate every players kit.

[tough stratus]

are skull keys worth 20k?

[main raven]

how do you learn pvp when even the earliest lobbies have juicers my guy

You just aren't going to get it, are you?

[tough stratus]

or are they overinflated in the market

[north night]

Ask @lone heron ask me I got 200hrs and I did HR pretty much only from 100hrs onwards

Just try it dude. Don't get psyched out. it's not as bad as you think brother!

[main raven]

As I said, you just aren't going to get it. You did those first 100 hours in Normals.

[main raven]

I've tried it. The mobs are all Nightmare and that pisses me off, and every player I encountered had at least Blue gear and proceeded to kill me

[north night]

For the new player experience, I agree with you yes. Check the suggestions panel, I recommend they add only solos back to normal rare. Do not bring back common tho.

[lone heron]

He has a point. I'm still "dies without dealing damage" bad at PvP. I come from hardcore games, I've got the skelly curse in SoT, I play VR extraction shooters, I'm the kind of player who doesn't mind pain. Just because i'm fine jumping into HR doesn't mean it's fair to force that for proper learning

[main raven]

Yeah you hate the new players if you seriously think commons shouldn't come back. Thats insane

[elfin fern]

i was around pre-squire and would run around hr naked at first just trailing monsters so people would fuck off

i wouldnt even wish a semblance of that experience on newer players

[north night]

At this point its just the opinion of common lobbies vs rare lobbies. Every other extraction shooter has no gear limits, or very wide gear limits. This is the nature of loot, gear based pvp games.

[elfin fern]

as we've talked about cadc, i lost what appealed to me most in the game

but there is very clearly not a coherent progression system anymore for newer players either

[civic anvil]

this game needs a guild system, a hub to test damage and builds, and meaningful progression systems before it can cater to new players. unfortunately.

[main raven]

And now we're back to this fucking argument LMAO.

This game is a statcheck. You can't let meta someone like you can in Tarkov. There IS no outplaying in Dark and Darker

[lone heron]

But much the same this game has a very different definition of "gear." good ammo and armor isn't the same as a straight stat buff to movement speed or damage, it has ups and downs

[north night]

Okay well I'm sorry I just disagree, even as a noob I've outplayed people. Much easier with a ranged weapon but its 100% possible bro cmon

[main raven]

Are you going to outplay a full trio as a solo player?

And remember, when you were a noob the game was completely fucking different than now

[elfin fern]

strong disagree tbh, for gear yes that is a statcheck, for low/no gear i've noticed tactics and positioning are pretty damn important, especially when you queue a fast but very visible and squishy class like me

[lone heron]

I still don't like this take, the progression is in the quests, you shouldn't be guided from the no talk me lobbies to the me brave strong boy lobbies, that defeats the function of an extraction shooter. I think I agree with the "vision" on that part.

[main raven]

There IS no low gear anymore though. BiS blues is a massive advantage over squire

[north night]

I only play solos, if its trios i play in a trio.

This is why I think they should add solos back to normal rare. So f2p can choose solo or team gameplay.

[main raven]

So its totally fine for solos to run into a BiS Barbarian that just w-keys them at 330 ms and murders them, or landmine Rogues that send you to the lobby before you can do anything?

[north night]

If you're queing into high roller, be prepared for that, yes?

[lone heron]

no, that happens in rare lobbies too

[main raven]

"high roller" like you can't hit 330 MS in blues LMAO. Who are you even trying to fool at this point

[elfin fern]

i'm not sure i understand what you're saying, i am saying that in terms of learning how to play the game vs other people the lobby structuring makes no sense, to leave out all the other nonsense this patch has caused

There IS no low gear anymore though. BiS blues is a massive advantage over squire

@main raven that i grant, i guess i was being nostalgic about fights i had literally two days ago

[lone heron]

blue and white are very different worlds. players need room to learn the baseline skills of PvP without a massive gap in what they can do

[north night]

I've got 200 hrs, never seen anyone get close to 330ms in fking rares (on a slow class like Barb)

[main raven]

thats easy as shit lmao, even if its only temporary with Rage they can 100% hit 330 MS with Rage WITH weapons out

[eternal pawn]

holy fk sdf needs to fix that sorc teleport glitch or bann the people abusing it.

[north night]

But thats the thing, go into normal rare trios right now. Lots of ppl are in white gear, why? because their is no white lobbies. It creates a wide gear range, and dynamic fights.

[north night]

using a movement skill, yes u can hit ms cap lol

[main raven]

A lot of people have already spectated blue lobbies and there's almost always a BiS trio wiping the entire goddamn lobby. Please, get a reality check and come back to me

[main raven]

Movespeed cap WITH HIS WEAPON DRAWN. There isn't exactly counterplay to that, especially when they also have a skill that drops your speed by 15

[shut raptor]

Bardiche is considered an Axe now right? So the perks for axe damage works with it?

[north night]

Reality check complete. I'm sorry your vision doesn't align with the developers vision, I do think the game is in a great state and I think the patch was a success.

[clear tapir]

I have a barb kit that hits 108% move speed and it’s not even good roles lol blues can get crazy with cobalt and shit

[main raven]

The devs don't have a goddamn vision, but thanks for giving up I guess lmao

[lone heron]

alright we agree on many things cadc, but that's a goddamn egregious statement

[obtuse shuttle]

im failing to see the vision though

"At the same time, since we only had trio queues and no tools to support them, we also received feedback like:
If you don’t have friends, you can’t really play this game.
We introduced solo queue and created the Goblin Cave dungeon. Soon after, since people also wanted duo play, we added duo queue as well.
I personally didn’t like this approach, but we wanted to satisfy the players. So, whenever I got the chance, I kept insisting every day that we should remove solo and duo queues."

i dont see the vision i just see "i didnt like this approach"

[north night]

To call the game in a great state, yes I agree I meant comparatively, the game feels great compared to when I began.

[rustic socket]

for the love of god get rid of this ms meta. rangers with 330 ms 45 dex and crazy phys power are just untouchable. this game is cooked

[main raven]

When the fuck did you start playing, the multiclass era? This game has NEVER been worse apart from maybe the multiclass era

[north night]

3 weeks ago @main raven

[lone heron]

That's about queue sizes, that bit of the vision (while inspired by similar games and rooted in reasonable ideas) is...just not applicable. I mean mixed gear and lobbies to taste.

[main raven]

So that's just a fucking lie then, because the game's only gotten worse since then and wasn't even good three weeks ago.

Fun fact, movespeed rolls used to ONLY be on boots and now they're on fucking everything, and +All Atts was gone too IIRC

[slender marlin]

I can’t be convinced they aren’t trying to kill this game.

[main raven]

I've played this game since Playtest 2, and I genuinely don't think this game has ever been worse except for Multiclass

[north night]

Thank you for telling me my truthful opinion is a lie. Gentleman I have to get up early for church. May we all find our way to Heaven. God bless

[obtuse shuttle]

thats literally about removing solo and duo queue and the argument about "no investment queue" falls flat when rare trios is literally still there, the vision was that someone with decision power just did not like solo/duo and literally insisted every day for them to be removed

[lone heron]

which, if we can all step right back for a moment, it's CRAZY that in its worst historical state this game is such a fucking banger. They really crafted gold from silk and then pissed on it

[main raven]

You're admitting you're wrong because an "opinion" isn't supposed to be right or wrong. A "truthful opinion" is just a fact, not an opinion lmao

[thick gust]

epic ragebait

[main raven]

Also, if you started playing three weeks ago you're missing a LOT of Ironmace context

[lone heron]

I'm not talking about that part of the vision! That is not what I am on about!

[shut timber]

@main raven started 2 weeks ago and it already got uninstalled 1st update I had for the game was taking out solos in norms

[north night]

Okay, truthful means I am not lieing, as you accused me of. It means that is my true opinion, not a false opinion. Please man if your going to be disrespectful atleast understand semantics

[main raven]

Huh, that's weird, I thought you had to go to bed so you could get up for church. Unless you just made that shit up too lmao

[obtuse shuttle]

you literally said mindset diff before when i was yapping about the lack of solo in the normal modes, so im assuming you're also defending his vision which is "he doesnt like solo/duo"

[main raven]

Sure is odd that you weaseled your way back into this convo despite saying you were gonna leave. I sure do wonder why that is @north night

[lone heron]

I think the statement of it being a lie was actually out of respect, like, the idea that to not see how flawed the current state is you'd have to be really stupid, so you must be lying to quell negativity, as you are clearly not that stupid.

[lone heron]

simmer down, petty, he's on his way out

[main raven]

Clearly he isn't if he's still talking to me lmao

[lone heron]

well assume all you like that's not what I was talking about here

[north night]

No you just triggered me with twisting my words, and I needed to correct it. I've said what I had to say. God bless.

[lone heron]

no need to be a man-child about it either way.

[main raven]

If you're getting "triggered" grow up and do something else rofl.

[lone heron]

don't fight over the last word, it's unbecoming

[main raven]

I mean, lets be honest, half of this Discord is just being an ass

[eternal pawn]

actually true, the sheer amount of crying is insane

[main raven]

I have the opposite opinion; if you're just leaving a conversation because you can't defend your incorrect takes then you absolutely deserve it

[oak basin]

you think that they will remove the trios thing for norms

[rain sun]

any1 else laggy?

[vocal turtle]

spectral coin bag till what quest ?

[lone heron]

it's the only place you can vent frustration in public forum without suffering blowback from more than one or two people, and you're likely to find likeminded souls. it's inevitable

[lone heron]

What you think is deserved doesn't change how petty you look, and how negative of an impact that attitude can have on one's self. Don't let folks rile you up so easily, or you blend in with the trolls.

[main raven]

I mean, anyone actually defending this patch is NOT getting any likeminded souls. The ratio I've seen of "people praising the patch" to "people uninstalling the game" isn't a good one

[obtuse shuttle]

i just dont understand why we can't go solo with the rare limit anymore, now if you wanna solo in a "fair" enviroment all you can do is pve or hr which is just an infinite money sink glitch if you're a new player like me. its just dumb

plus i spent money because i liked the concept of the game and cool i could play solo and duo with my friend,then i wake up and its gone, thats not how you fucking sell products

[main raven]

I honestly don't really care about being petty or not; at some point you realize you're just talking to someone with zero brain activity at all

[obtuse shuttle]

but i guess thats the state of gaming nowadays keep it early access forever so you can scam but not scam your playerbase

[dire heron]

Solo queing arena is aids

[elfin fern]

the people who would defend the patch are playing the game or circle jogging on reddit

[tall arch]

Does killing ghost king still allow you to open a portal in that room?

[lone heron]

Because no one who actually thinks the patch is good is coming to discord to praise it, there's just people here for other reasons who happen to like it. But tons of people who hate it are coming here to whine, because they aren't playing the game.

[main raven]

The people defending the patch are the people that already have premade trios and are dumpstering every lobby they run into

[eternal pawn]

the only true cancer i get from this game is the pve

[obtuse shuttle]

i literally came on this discord just to ask where solo was
been crying since then

[elfin fern]

circle and hr pve, and then people are like "bUT wHY dONT YoU liKE HR???"

[main raven]

Yeah, we'll see how many people are actually playing this game in the coming weeks. Just wait until SDF inevitably makes another major change to the game that you hate

[eternal pawn]

circle is fine im used to it by other games, the pve just enabled rng pvp.. which is cancer

[lone heron]

so far higher player counts than last month, but we will see, we will see

And of course that's just steam, plenty of blacksmith players (yours truly). Don't doom quite yet, they've done more foolish things in the past I hear.

[main raven]

Its been TWO DAYS. Its way too early to start comparing months numbers; that doesn't even make sense.

[rustic basalt]

Legit got back into the game because of PvE. Finally am able to learn attack of the AI without checking my back every five seconds

[obtuse shuttle]

how is a patch that removed queues because of lack of players bringing back players? maybe its not related

[humble bloom]

@oak basin they'll probably revert it with a few weeks.
@tall arch I haven't had a portal open when beating lich but i haven't tried king yet. Maybe in inferno it'll give a portal.

[main raven]

Didn't they remove all the boss portals apart from Wyvern?

[humble bloom]

Did they? I've seen videos of boss portals in HR but they were old. I'll just assume they removed portals as it seems like a likely thing they'd do lmao

[main bison]

ghost king has portal

[main raven]

Does he? I thought that shit was gone

[elfin fern]

that's fair, but was learning pve that bad in white solos?

[main bison]

makes it harder

[main raven]

The only way you learn in Dark and Darker is dying and dying repeatedly, and Squire lobbies were perfect for that

[acoustic horizon]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/km5xtOUBfFAjTSDP4?invite=cr-MSxnejUsMjg4OTkxODI0 would yall classify this as teaming

[sturdy obsidian]

imagine how smoll you p3nis has to be to ban every viewer of your stream to question any of your gameplay

[rapid vapor]

Actually we're lower than last Saturdays player count. And this weekend is a holiday too

[humble bloom]

It wasn't bad when I started but yeah barbs breaking through doors for your britches added another layer to it.

[elfin fern]

squire lobbies were great for a bunch of reasons even for very seasoned players, but i do take the point that they shit on timmies seriously.

like, who am i to ask for a lobby back for me specifically but also think that pve should be nuked

[spare flicker]

we need brackets back in hr shit is ridiculous

[obtuse shuttle]

even rare solo lobbies were fine, now if you want to solo in a rare lobby you have to play like a rat because there are a lot of 3 man teams

[main raven]

Thats just the based take honestly. I really don't like what PvE has done to the game

[obtuse shuttle]

i was having a blast playing only the rare normal mode and i only had 4 hours played before this sad patch

[elfin fern]

try being in the middle of a spider pot surf when a barb decides to plow the door

[sturdy obsidian]

this last change wiped like 30% of the pop im sure. its actually garbage

[main raven]

Probably more than 30% honestly. Anyone who played this game solo or duo got the axe

[elfin fern]

pop hasnt changed that much yet, but there is a review bomb on steam

[rustic basalt]

Also I just bought legendary status and now my mouse cursor keeps dragging down and to the left. It only happens when the game is loaded

I reset my PC but it's still doing it

[sturdy obsidian]

there are still many players that keep the game open to make their di3k bigger with "hours".

[wind arch]

so havent played in a minute and im about to play with a friend why is there no solos or duos is it just out of the game entirely

[obtuse shuttle]

they removed it

[main raven]

yes lmao, unless you wanna get dumpstered in HR

[rustic basalt]

No more solo or duo unless youre in HR

[wind arch]

idk if thats a dumb question bc i havent kept up with it

[main raven]

Not that dumb, this only happened two days ago

[split turtle]

It’s not a dumb question just a dumb change

[wind arch]

oh ok ty

[shut timber]

Its dumb if their intentions are to make this a better game, its not dumb because they are sabotaging it

[wind arch]

also what is hr?

[spark prairie]

hellooo is it possible to open the game on Epic games?

[shut timber]

High roller

[fathom frost]

high roller

[main raven]

its a gamemode where every single mob kills you in two hits lmao

[spark prairie]

i downloaded the game months ago, and i just installed it again

[wind arch]

ok ty for info

[wanton tartan]

No solo or duo unless HR? This game comes out with more terrible updates each time they continue to amaze me

[main raven]

Believe it or not, some people actually defend this shit too

[static pendant]

gotta pay your solo fee 💀

[wanton tartan]

Imagine people who defend this solo is most popular game mode in the game and its not even close. They for sure gotta return to how it was or game continue to die

[dense flame]

juss play HR lil bros

[static pendant]

truly gigabrain take

[main raven]

I tried to, and I really didn't like having to hit a skeleton about six times with a Falchion to kill them

[dark isle]

this game is so buns

[rustic basalt]

🤓

[rapid vapor]

I tried to but a ranger walked into the room I was clearing and one shot me

[elfin fern]

i have two demis and exemplar this season and hr is ass

[obtuse shuttle]

the fee is not even a problem and i've just been playing a few days but all the mobs are hp sponges its just not fun to go around the map like that

[dark isle]

finna just stick to the arena

[main raven]

everything takes way too long to kill unless you run a PvE setup, and if you do that you die to anyone running a PvP setup

[elfin fern]

i managed hr fine on my bard, but then the times i would play there werent that many ranged classes or casters wiping the lobbies at the time/type of lobby i would play

[rustic basalt]

I'm still pretty new to the game, it's the gear "meta" for PvP min maxing your gear?

[obtuse shuttle]

yea its just a slog when the mobs are hp sponges

[elfin fern]

it just seems like this playerbase has a significant chunk of masochists that see suffering in this game as a virtue, and believe that everyone else who plays it should be like them

[main raven]

Bard's one of the only playable Squire classes in HR lmao. Warlock/Cleric works too, and Wizard honestly might also work with the right spells

[obtuse shuttle]

in the rare mode you can kill the mobs with a few hits to the head and i was just not having fun trying to kill mobs with my purple bow in hr

[rapid vapor]

It's kinda wild how this patch has shown how many people are fine with forcing people to play their way but if you suggest their game mode get taken away they flip out.

[elfin fern]

ah i didnt know you meant with squire gear, id spent maybe... 3k? 5k? on purple hp/ms gear to clear quick with. obviously not good advice for people who are just starting out

[wanton otter]

99% of ppl aren't going to use that JANKY EXTERNAL reporting feature.

[static pendant]

yeah everyone I've talked to who's been like "oh this patch is great" went "uhhh errmmm uhhhhh idk about that" when I asked why not just make HRs trios only instead and bring back solos/duos for normals with commons and rares

I lowkey feel like a lot of people like it just because they wanna roll timmies lmao

[rustic basalt]

The worst part is I understand why they removed solo and duo que, but if they went about patches better they wouldn't have to had removed them. I've kept up with the game but have only just started playing it I've understood that HR lobbies have kinda been dead and they wanna push more people there... but then they have a PvE mode too

[rapid vapor]

I've said multiple times just remove blue normals and make it squire only. There's no reason for gear to exist in normies when it should be spent in HR.

[clear tapir]

100000%

[static pendant]

Ive probably died more times in trios today with coordinated groups on this Discord than I have all week playing in solos on my own

[elfin fern]

trios is a "you will die" kind of lobby tbh

[static pendant]

finally a good goddamn take

[static pendant]

and I said it a few times earlier but I'll reiterate again and again

If teaming becomes a thing in trios normals is fucking cooked

[rustic basalt]

Normals is budget kits or people looking to noob stomp anyway so that would be a good idea

[lone heron]

hi, timmy here, got the game two weeks ago! NO! NO! NO! High Rollers is, from my runs so far, just a much more defined experience and taking solos out of that would be even stupider than this.

[fiery pilot]

1 minute and 10 second EST queue time for ruins. That never happpened before the update

[static pendant]

how much gold do you have at this moment

[obtuse shuttle]

prepare the lube because hte vision you praise so much is that he doesnt like solo/duo and begs the team daily for their removal

[static pendant]

oh no not the Marathon pfp

[lone heron]

800-some on my first character, lost a good kit the other day. 500 on my bard, 200-some on my sorcerer, idk is that like a normal amount

[static pendant]

how are you gearing for HR

[rustic pecan]

Babies everywhere. Jus play HR. Mobs are easy to avoid and kill. Even in solo. Do you guys just bring squire gear and cry all day?

GO BACK TO LEAGUE OF LEGENDS IF THIS GAME US TOO HARDCORE FOR YOU

[elfin fern]

L

[lone heron]

I'm not. I just go in squire. It's worked out a few times so far.

[rustic basalt]

🤓 🤓 👍

[static pendant]

"YEAH LETS MAKE OUR GAME INSULAR AS FUCK!"

"WAIT WHY ARE LOBBIES DEAD?!?!?!?!?!? FUCK IRONMACE!!1!!!"

[lone heron]

I don't even have market access on most of my characters, so I couldn't really kit build properly

[obtuse shuttle]

this mentality is just dumb because if everyone actually went back to league you'd have a lot of time to enjoy hardcore pve

[static pendant]

It hasn't for me lmao

[lone heron]

Beginner's luck, perhaps

[rustic basalt]

I just bought legendary status as of 15 minuets ago and I had 4.5k before that In normals

[rustic pecan]

Fine by me. Honestly you softies need to go back. I squire HR all the time. Just learn to rat.

[rapid vapor]

Most people don't have a problem with the mobs in terms of difficulty. It's more about how tedious it can be to clear them and how there's a good chance a bised out gamer will show up and delete you while you clear them

[static pendant]

^

[main raven]

If you don't have market access, you can't play HR. They're both locked at level 20

[rustic basalt]

The "I'm good at the game yall need to be too" mentality really hurts games like this

[rustic pecan]

Then stay out of poi spots? There are SO many spots with lion heads that NO ONE goes by. Stay away from PvP modules jeez you children are insanely soft

[static pendant]

also yeah, you're not considering that a good chunk of the playerbase is likely F2P, and they can't even touch HR anyways, so its trios only for them lmao

[obtuse shuttle]

even the developers apparently said the majority of the playerbase plays solo, so removing the queues used by the majority of the playerbase because the lead doesn't like them will just lead to more players quitting,i dont understand why so many people can't at least agree on this simple thing

[elfin fern]

bro hr is anti fun

[lone heron]

No I mean I haven't joined the guild I'm not bothering with it

[earnest cliff]

Game still boring with nothing new to do?

[static pendant]

you kind of need the flea market dawg

even if you don't sell on it ever

[elfin fern]

what do you think you should be able to do?

[obtuse shuttle]

from what im understanding its actually devolving

[lone heron]

Is it all that important?

[rustic basalt]

VERY

[static pendant]

yes.

10,000%

[steady jay]

Bro its 25 gold

[rapid vapor]

Yeah, being able to buy a cracked set is way faster and easier than trying to farm it up

[rustic pecan]

Not much new content unless you’re learning first floor bosses. Waiting for new inferno bosses as well. Just good ol darker PvP rn

[static pendant]

you can filter by items with different/rarities and stat rolls on the flea as well as specific pieces of gear

that is incredibly useful for your class' scaling

selling things on flea is also way more profitable but the economy moves fast in this game so don't be surprised if you see something listed with similar stats or a special item for a bunch and then it drops later

you need to minmax at the high levels its unavoidable

and in general you need to now since normals goes up to rare by default, instead of seperate common and rare lobbies

even if trios only we should still have commons and rares

[rustic basalt]

Minmax move speed and damage yeah?

[timber imp]

hi

[rustic basalt]

Hey hey!

[static pendant]

different damage types depending on the class but I assume rule of thumb is true phys for anyone thats not the casters, and magic for casters

move speed is always good, you should always be trying your best to hit 330 ms at all times since that's max ms

[rustic pecan]

No. You can kill many without 330 move speed.

[rustic basalt]

I'm playing wizard rn I'm building health and true magic rn

[static pendant]

work MS in there any way you can, mostly with bonus stats, spend extra on rings and pendant, etc

[rustic basalt]

I'm using a budget kit while I learn the game it's like 220 gear score

[static pendant]

also if you're running squire and you're fighting bosses, you might just wanna take the poor gear off

the speed is worth it, squire gear is just diminishing returns against boss levels of damage

[rustic pecan]

Wiz is needed 310 and up. You want atleast 135hp and up. Magic power to hit atleast 25-30. Everything else is a bonus

[static pendant]

^

[delicate coyote]

@glad thunder gives us three options this wipe, after countless meaningless updates: 1) PVE only 2) min/max blue kit for squire gear 3) HR

[static pendant]

deadass

[delicate coyote]

so fucking dog water dookie booty bullshit patch

[static pendant]

game went to fully mixed on Steam after it "coincidentally"

[delicate coyote]

another shuffling of the MMR system and again a big nothing burger to eat with it

[rustic basalt]

I'm at like 113 health and my magic power is at 32 still squishy but I also run arcane shield and ice shield

[rustic pecan]

Roll enough timmies in your blue kit. Get your confidence up. And use that confidence in HR. Fear will lose you MANYA fights in HR. The first to strike wins many times.

[rustic pecan]

Both shields are a melee wizard setup. Which works. But you build differently for that bc bonk wiz doesn’t need the most magic or move speed stats.

[obtuse shuttle]

if only you could have somehwat equal 1v1s outside of hr

[lone heron]

how does rogue work? I was under the impression you could just go invisible in fact I just watched someone go invisible while moving but i try it out and it's basically the bard spell

[rustic basalt]

So then I should be running sage and mana surge instead? I have a crystal sword for pve and a spell book for pvp

[obtuse shuttle]

i also tried it apparently you need like 2-3 perks to make that invisibility spell work well

[static pendant]

landmine rogue lmao

earlier I was trying to run cyclops with some lads and we got rushed by 2 guys through one door in Cyclops room, then when we tried to go through the other landmine rogue jumpscared us lmao

[delicate coyote]

i typically only play HR but right now im just trying to que squire and have some PVP without investment but thats not even an option anymore because there is only trio que with blue gear and everyone is min/maxing lol

[obtuse shuttle]

factual

[olive path]

So its a bad time to start playing? what about bossing?

[rustic basalt]

I still haven't beaten a single boss yet I wouldn't know

[winter crown]

Why are kobold archers taking a million dmg and not dieing

[rustic basalt]

I'm horrible at the game lol

[lone heron]

I beat the ghost king just earlier in PvE, some guys realized I was new and led me to him

[delicate coyote]

bossing same as always except now its trios or HR only so enjoy that

[uneven garden]

It's a bad time but man if you like it go in

[unkempt raft]

BUFF NIGHTMARE SKELE CROSSBOWMAN PLZ

[rustic pecan]

Unironically you’ll find more sweats in normals bc stomping in blue is so easy. Just HR and STAY ON CASTLE. Everyone goes red. Just stay away from hot spots and farm. Not hard

[olive path]

I want to get in but LFP

[delicate coyote]

100% thats the only way to farm AP/gold right now
que HR in squire gear -> clear spawn module +1 or two next door -> go blue

[uneven garden]

... we all suffer it dont worry you will get it over

[obtuse shuttle]

can you link a guide? cuz everytime i went into hr a player finds me and kills me or i die while running away from said player to mobs bodyblocking me

[unkempt raft]

SUFFER HOW BORING AND EASY HE IS? BOW GETS TRIPLE SHOT, HIS SHIT SHOULD PEN SHIELDS

[lone heron]

why are some swords secondaries and daggers primaries??? it's tripping me out

[uneven garden]

the danger of the nightamre crossbow its when you dont know he is there or when you forget he is there or when you are fighting someone in pvp and he shows up

[sleek wave]

We want casual pvp which was great with the blue only lobbies. now you have to go to highrolelr and deal with mobs, it's 100% not fun at all when you just want to pvp. this change is trash and should go back to what it was

[delicate coyote]

just play extremely slow. clear each mob one at a time in the room you spawn in and dont try moving around the map

[obtuse shuttle]

its legit more fun to just go alone 1v3 in trios and hope to find other people doing the same.. at least then u can fight

and i can almostk ind of tell if they're noob like me if they dont try to run me down like im assuming veterans are doing

[unkempt raft]

You're reading this as a skissue on your part, I'm unironically asking for him to get a buff - he hasn't been a threat since PT5

[delicate coyote]

oh yeah im not saying that its gonna be fun but if you want to leave with gold/AP and whatever you find thats really the only way lol

[honest delta]

how do i reinstall the anticheat
in the files

[uneven garden]

i cant count how many hilariouse moments i had with that mob. Its a trully danger when you are distracted. Of course if you play only pve might be not but in pvp its crazy how you can get one taped by that mob

[delicate coyote]

dude the xbow has killed me randomly way too many times... you hear that little grunt and then its all over
running from a team trying to reset -> open door -> instant xbow headshot

[tawdry bridge]

I've had more fun this patch running around lobbies in squire kits as a rogue and just giving the full rushdown teams the slip.

[uneven garden]

literally dude

[calm summit]

Is there any artifacts in trolls loot table?

[delicate coyote]

yep

[tawdry bridge]

Nothing funnier than crossbowing a barb from 2 rooms over just to spit on them.

[uneven garden]

it has his downs and highs but overall is bad

[calm summit]

What ones?

[tawdry bridge]

No I agree. It's really bad that it's resorted to this as my source of fun.

[delicate coyote]

check the wiki for loot tables

[tawdry bridge]

Queueing into solos just for squire duels was a blast and I miss it.

[delicate coyote]

yeah i really dont understand why they keep shuffling the ques.. i play USEast but i have never had a problem with que times unless im solo queing for trio HR or something like that

[uneven garden]

hahah i got it now sorry i didnt understand you properly

[rustic basalt]

The wiki for most the items I've looked up keeps saying that the loot has been reworked and the details are missing

[tawdry bridge]

This has also been my experience. When I queue into HR, sometimes I just don't see other people. But everywhere else it's been packed.

[delicate coyote]

it feels like they just make changes because people expect a patch.. the only meaningful changes that happen are always beginning of wipe and then its a whole bunch of number shuffling and que shuffling for 3 months until next wipe.. @glad thunder

[uneven garden]

I was expecting a druid delete but i guess that was a dream i had

[delicate coyote]

nobody asked for only trios only rares or pve only or HR.. shit is so wild

[obtuse shuttle]

i just hope they bring solo back in the rare normal mode, as a new player its just not fun such a bummer

[uneven garden]

nobody asked but SDF

[lone heron]

no one asked for HR?????

[rustic basalt]

I don't like feeling I'm dragging a team down because I'm new

[delicate coyote]

the fact that this even happens just beckons "i have no fucking clue what the people that play this game like"

[dusk dove]

Real shit, and this needs to be said. This game has a really bad "I don't know what the fuck I want to be- itis". Seriously The game changes so sporadically that I honestly go months on end without playing and get back into it maybe for a week until some other huge ass bullshit change is made to the game. I see why they removed normals, it was to try and artifically pump players into HR but thats such an awful reason to do so. I seriosuly hope this game actually tanks and gets dangerously close to actually being doomed so that SDF and his team realize how shit sometimes their updates are.

[uneven garden]

oh trust me they do

[silver current]

What class pairs best with a sorcerer?

[delicate coyote]

1000% and i didnt even read past the first sentence

[grand ruin]

To all those complaining about the state of the game, let’s face it, this game is buns. I got on for the first time in a week. Decided to play some arenas. First match, 3 rangers, won the match and immediately got off. These devs cant even make simple changes, and we are all expecting some sort of massive turnaround 🥱

[uneven garden]

good question i would say a frontline like fighter, tank cleric or barb. Even maybe druid

[delicate coyote]

hope this game tanks tho? @glad thunder is literally intentionally killing this game because he is in over his head with lawsuits........... nexon shouldve won that

there is no other explanation for whats been happening over the last 6 months lol

[dusk dove]

I don't mean I want it to actually die. But like I want SDF to just somehow realize, "Oh wow... I'm kind of shit at making this game work as its lead"

[obtuse shuttle]

if its the same nexon from combat arms/vindictus u dont rly want to play a game handled by them lmao

[lone heron]

What's with this modern sense of sick glee in the downfall of gaming communities? This eagerness for games to wither and fail?

[obtuse shuttle]

unless ur wallet is big and ready to share its contents ofc+

[uneven garden]

I belive he should delegate this to other people since he can't be checking every work they do so idk im talking without really knowing what's going on in there but defently this is bad for the game

[delicate coyote]

thats the thing though is that reckoning has already come and was ignored... buddy will not admit that he isnt capable of making this game what it should be but also has too much pride to let it go and sell
@glad thunder

[static pendant]

the irony of saying this with the Marathon pfp is not lost on me

[lone heron]

Well hey that one was unfounded malice until the. bungie plagarizes someone again thing happened

[delicate coyote]

can someone translate that to korean for the man?

"THE VISION"

ray charles had a better vision than @glad thunder

[grand ruin]

I wouldn’t say I’m eager, id say I’m definitely expecting it to. I doubt it lasts 3 more wipes tbh. I have over 4k hours and the longer I play this game, the worse it gets. Not exactly a recipe for success 🤷🏻‍♂️

[dusk dove]

"SDF has too much pride to let it go and sell" REAL FUCKING SHIT, @glad thunder would ACTUALLYH let his game die before he sells it, OR he'd sell it once the game is actually on its very last limbs and he can't actually save it with his team.

[obtuse shuttle]

i've been on this discord 2-3 days and lost all hopes for this man the moment i've read this "I personally didn’t like this approach, but we wanted to satisfy the players. So, whenever I got the chance, I kept insisting every day that we should remove solo and duo queues."

[lone heron]

Well I think sometimes games don't have much more than a few thousand hours to offer, so who knows how much of that is fatigue and how much of it is a genuine assessment of the situation

[uneven garden]

a pride women i mean man

[delicate coyote]

DADM contract already terminated, game is dying right before the man, and yet he refuses to do anything other than shuffle some numbers and keep the long term playerbase complacent while also doing fuck all to improve on what is already made

[rustic basalt]

Man this community is very passionate about this update I seriously hope they start listening to yall

[elfin fern]

dude i dont even play the game right now because my main queues were deleted and even the idea that he might be doing a bard rework gives me the worst anxiety

[uneven garden]

Is because this is the worst patch this game has ever had

[delicate coyote]

"the players" who THE F asked to remove all ques besides trios rare, PVE, or HR?!?! LMFAO

WHOOOOOOOOOO?!?!??

[obtuse shuttle]

nah, he meant the players asked for solo/duo and he did not like solo/duo

[dusk dove]

They won't, or if they do it'll be miniscule. I'm actually expecting this game will die and it sucks cause its FANTASTIC in concept.

[static pendant]

Ironmace doing a poll or Q&A before implementing major changes to the game let alone mid wipe

imagine, how crazy would it be

[elfin fern]

there were people unironically asking for all removal of non-trios so they could focus on development without balancing for other modes getting in the way, or splitting the playerbase

[hardy hornet]

Fr

[rustic basalt]

From the outside I completely agree. I just joined and I think the removal of solo and duos is ass doo doo

[delicate coyote]

ye thats been a common theme throughout, game is meant to be played in trios, etc.. but realistically most people dont play trios because this is a very niche genre and most people dont have 2 other friends that play this game... making it less accessible when its already struggling is the absolute worst move @glad thunder

[elfin fern]

white lobbies were goated bring that shit BACK!!!

[static pendant]

when I just had gotten legendary like earlier last week and started playing I was like "damn people are a little harsh on this game" then this happens and im like "ohhhhhh I get it now"

[rustic basalt]

I just praised PvE for helping me but it only further divided lobbies

[uneven garden]

it looks like that but that's like puting a patch in a wheel and expecting to work throw nails again

[warm fjord]

can we get a report option for toxicity?

[static pendant]

there is one but don't be surprised if all it does is turn their name red lul

[sleek wave]

get off the internet

[delicate coyote]

people that complain about balance just play the game way too hard is all.. game is more balanced than it has ever been, now were adjusting the accessiblity and playability for people who have already dumped 3k+ hours into the game.. why

[grand ruin]

This game is like a bad relationship, full of empty promises, unwillingness to change, no added excitement, poor lack of communication, and constant disappointment. The more you play the more you realize they have no real idea what they are doing or what direction they want to go. Which is why I suspect Nexon cancelled the project to begin with.

[clear pendant]

literally the only reason lobbies are dead is because ironmace tried to make a lot of safe spaces for ppl like you

[warm fjord]

Find morals

[delicate coyote]

ding ding ding

[sleek wave]

this guy lets words bother him

[static pendant]

correction, lobbies were very not dead for me prior to this

they just suck now

[obtuse shuttle]

yeah tbh i gave it a shot after the patch, but i'm spending more time whining about it on discord than actually playing the game i was having a blast with before ths patch. i wasn't even active on this discord before the patch 'cause i was too busy having fun. now i'm just crawling back to dumb extraction shooters and possibly back to league after that, hope they add back solo cuz i will come back running. atm its just not fun the last day i died like 10 times to teams of 3 while trying to go solo in the rare mode...

[delicate coyote]

never had an issue with dead lobbies.. ever

[warm fjord]

My exact point

[static pendant]

im getting almost too much PvP now

[uneven garden]

im going to be honest i see more players now than before or the same like 8k dungeon 8k lobby very surprising

[elfin fern]

white lobbies were popping off dude i don't know what you're on about

your lobbies were dead because people thought they were hot dog water

so the solution is for the devs to bully us into those queues? fuck that

[delicate coyote]

lobbies have been plenty packed but people are more hesitant to PvP because the market has been cheeks since like halfway through last wipe

[static pendant]

HR should be trios only

give us back rares and commons for solos/duos/trios

[delicate coyote]

obviously talking about HR not squire lobbies

[uneven garden]

@warm fjord sorry i dont know why i replied to your comment lmao

[warm fjord]

Ur good

[static pendant]

and if they're gonna do this why not just make it commons for normals instead of rares

you gear for HR, why gear for normals???

[clear pendant]

u just getting rolled on by decent geared players, leave ur gear fear and bring decent kits so maybe u can compete, no more free loot for you sorry!

[delicate coyote]

i dont think any que should be party size exclusive but if anything this makes way more sense than premade trio teams in full bis queing into lobbies against 3 randoms in full squire gear lol

[unkempt raft]

The Brits had a study they conducted ages ago about cretinism in males when they dedicate their life's purpose to one thing - or rather, what they think they're entitled to do, say, or feel once they've reached "mastery" in one subject and nothing else. The industry doesn't live up to their standards, whether they be reasonable or otherwise, as well as the communities they exist in having dealt with them in ways they don't like. If they can't be happy, they can at least find some delight in making sure everyone eats shit with them.

And don't get me started about how much older they've gotten and cynicism. We're talking about a wave of a generation that stakes a lot of their self worth here.

[dusk dove]

When dark and darker was first released in its alpha stages the game was actually a fresh breath of air. It wasn't like ANYTHING ever. And because of this the general population flocked to it and flooded it with support. The game in concept during its alpha stages was awesome don't get me wrong. But it being trios only would have actually killed it and I firmly believe this to be true if solo/duo was NEVER added.

Issue is that SDF knows he's sitting on an actual treasure game. Like if given to a GOOD dev team they could make this shit sell like hot cakes but again since he has a one of a kind game he won't let it go. Dude just fucking swallow your pride and realize YOU as a lead cannot just dictate what you want the game to be in its entirety. Games are influenced greatly by the playerbase and often for the better when devs know how to pick from good and bad suggestions.

[lone heron]

HR going trios only would kill my excitement for the game tbh. HR is where the fun is, so far, for me, though I've rarely afforded to go in, and being at a disadvantage in numbers in mediocre lobbies where you're not picking up anything crazy is one thing, but being at a disadvantage in numbers when you could encounter the literal best gear in the game is another.

[static pendant]

I can't make money to gear if I keep getting rolled by people with minmaxed blue kits now can I

[clear pendant]

then go pve and go back hr again, get better