game-discussion

[subtle heart]

Because human beings will tell themselves lies to make themselves feel better rather than face uncomfortable truthes. PvE is NOT saving this game because once timmies are finished with pve, they will realize the desert of content there is out there

How does sdf’s balls taste like

[trail laurel]

LMAOO

[exotic sluice]

bro another wipe to kill the game with content drought like the last one, okay bro have fun with 10 players in the dungeon for those super long 4 month wipes of nothing new

[gritty scroll]

I like the game therefore I am a shill? Never heard that before.

[echo sparrow]

i think they are just upset we still enjoy the game and they dont 😦

[proper marten]

Anyone can help me doing frost wyvern? Need it for frozen terror 😦

[stone spade]

they will fuck up, the pve mode anyway. I just know it.

[trail laurel]

Blindly defending everything they do and saying balance doesnt matter is glazing

[night vector]

guys can you tell me ONE thing that you demand in next patch notes, one thing that you want the most

[gritty scroll]

Well then I guess it's a good thing that's not what I said at all

[subtle heart]

Everyone here likes the game, but not everyone is a delusional unloved loser like you, we accept that the game is dying and there are many things wrong with it. You can spend 3 years glazing sdf and his genius, the game prob won’t even last that long LMAO

[silver smelt]

balance matters the most in pvp game

[trail laurel]

Remove fog of war from the UI

[river ivy]

This game will have 2k total users in the next 6 months if they dont fix this sht

[gritty scroll]

They should continue to balance the game. It is also true that it's impossible to please everyone.

[subtle heart]

pve mode isn’t even content, they just changed some settings 😹

[subtle heart]

The game isn’t dying because the balance, its because there is nothing to fucking do. They have been doing NOTHING but balancing nobody cares about balance atp

[exotic sluice]

I want them to announce in the patch notes that quivers are never coming, if your going to run 100 arrows to kite kite and kite with a high dps sniper rifle you should be punished with inventory space I dont want to see ranger get a full inv of utility while having a free 100 arrows or even more

[trail laurel]

Honestly I agree with that

[river ivy]

I just looked on buddys twitch, he lives in the pacific northwest. Explains alot LOL

[exotic sluice]

SO TRUE BRO I'm done with all these players saying STOP ADDING NEW CONTENT AND BALANCE AND FIX BUGS bro like do you want the game to die

[noble dagger]

Is wipe in 2 days on wed?

[night vector]

they annouced that they are going to rework equipment system so i guess if there will be quiver annouced it will limit amount of arrows you can take, while also reducing utility items

also quiver should take place instead of cloak, but obviously give some stats

[gritty scroll]

I definitely think the game needs more content like events, campaigns, tournaments, lore building, etc

[subtle heart]

Once you finish demigod (battle pass), only fun thing to do is arena, everything else gets old after the first month

[gritty scroll]

Make some eSports teams

[subtle heart]

I don’t even give a fuck about a water map or guild hall, I just want a competent ranked system and not this glorified battle pass, where you have to be pathfinder to actually get good cosmetics

[light oasis]

They’ve been balancing and fixing bugs for three years.

[gritty scroll]

Add it all

[exotic sluice]

??? what is this idea bro, just going to be spell spam meta +ranger or double healstack lifebloomdruid and cleric, esports would be so boring to watch and a waste of time

[dusky spruce]

You're not going to get one because the nature of the game denies it.

[gritty scroll]

And? That's normal?

[trail laurel]

How tf does this help the game in any way shape or form

[stone spade]

Worst take of the year

[light oasis]

No the game needs content.

[gritty scroll]

How does it hurt? It's advertisment

[gritty scroll]

So do both

[stone spade]

Best advertisment is having a fun game. If a game is good it will have players. You know how tf2 ended up becasue they tried to appeal to e sports and shit

[subtle heart]

Dark and Darker isn’t a eSports game

[gritty scroll]

They should absolutely continue making sure the game is fun. These things are not mutually exclusive.

[gritty scroll]

Not right now

The devs are counterstrike fans. I can see the inspiration.

[subtle heart]

The devs are also very incompetent

[trail laurel]

I hate the E sports push on everything honestly, it ruins games by making them hyper competitive hellholes

[gritty scroll]

Go ahead and build your own game then 😉 I'll wait

[stone spade]

they cant get thier shit together making the game actually funktion what makes you think they can set up an e sport on the side and that is ignoring the law suit they also have to deal with. besides e sports suck and no one cares

[echo sparrow]

you know what hurts a game? people in the discord saying things like this.

[subtle heart]

Love the arguement, If I can’t make my own game, I shouldn’t be allowed to criticize another game!

[gritty scroll]

I don't know what you mean. The game is functioning right now.

[subtle heart]

Because it is very true

[trail laurel]

They are adults they can handle it, and besides its kinda true

[subtle heart]

Legit wiping sdf’s ass with your tongue right now infront of everyone

[gritty scroll]

This place is full of armchair devs. The general sentiment is that game dev is easy, which is a gross underestimation of the difficulty. These guys are smart. Also, game dev is hard.

[stone spade]

Im not a chef so i cant criticise the plate of crap they gave me.

[viral hornet]

It's edgy to be angry at games devs don't you guys know

[trail laurel]

So true king

[abstract apex]

has dark n darker pfp complains about dark n darker

average dark n darker player.

[subtle heart]

Because I love this game?

[abstract apex]

clearly u dont lol

[trail laurel]

We love the game thats why we complain about it. People are most critical of the things they like

[light oasis]

Im an actual dev with a portfolio lol.

[stone spade]

arent you late for pre school or something?

[abstract apex]

All i've read that you guys typed is that you more love to HATE on the game then actually playing it lol.

Ur just hateful ppl with nothing better to do.

[gritty scroll]

I have responded to your actual criticisms of the game, and we largely agree. However, the statement "the devs are incompetent" is just a useless blanket statement, and it's made from someone who lacks experience in game dev, so I tend not to take it seriously.

[subtle heart]

Just because I don’t asswipe with my mouth doesn’t mean I don’t love this game. I want this game to succeed and I am not going to give fake positive reinforcement, I don’t give a fuck if you have an issue keep crying

[abstract apex]

Which like fine. maybe if you put that energy in real life you'd have a job that you don't hate or a relationship.

[trail laurel]

People are in this discord server because they cared enough about the game to follow up on patch notes and whatnot, it isnt because people hate the game. We wouldnt be complaining about it if we didnt want to see it improve

[abstract apex]

Again all you've typed is how much you HATE the game.

[viral hornet]

We preschool via zoom now where have you been

[subtle heart]

We have 3 years of balancing and little content as evidence of the devs’ incompetence

[stone spade]

go to game discussion channel, dicuss the game and get called a hateful person. what is wrong with you people

[abstract apex]

No. Theres a difference between discussing the game then just hating on it the devs and everything which is exactly what ur doing lol

[gritty scroll]

3 years of balancing shows me that they are taking it seriously. I would be worried if there wasn't constant balancing.

[subtle heart]

Just keep your mouth closed you fat pig

[trail laurel]

Guys NO MEAN WORDS ALLOWD !!!1111 BE POSITIVE AND POSITIVE ONLY !!!11

[abstract apex]

You guys have sat here talking about how much u hate SDF how much u hate every little detail of the game.

[viral hornet]

Someone needs some chamomile tea and it shows

[harsh delta]

why tf is arena closed, i wanted to use my gear till the end of the wipe while having fun not wanting to kill myself

[abstract apex]

you haven't said anything useful nor constructive towards anything just hate hate.

and it's still showing.

[subtle heart]

Keep using your tongue to lick the grime and dirt off sdf’s boots

[river ivy]

Constant balancing? The game has literally for the most part only continued to get worse LOL

[trail laurel]

people got fed up because every update seems to make the game worse and worse

[gritty scroll]

The perfect balance doesn't exist. The best we can do is keep updating as new content is added. The meta will always be shifting.

[stone spade]

holy shit, im dunking more on the people defending every stupid change than the actual game lol

[trail laurel]

yeah lmao

[river ivy]

Bro talking like he a dev "we". Dude you are a master at tugging SDF

[abstract apex]

Quit playing the game if you hate it so much.

[gritty scroll]

We as part of the community can suggest balancing changes

[abstract apex]

Clearly you guys have no interest in actually discussing the game just hating on it as much as u can.

[frail bison]

is Arena back yet? Has IM said anything about why it closes like this?

[stone spade]

can the metal stop shifting into my urethra tho?

[trail laurel]

I have actually, not because I hate it mind you, thi would be one of my favourites if it was well balanced and the UI didnt give me A HEADACHE

[gritty scroll]

They start by assuming that they have thought about this game more than the devs have thought about this game. 😉

[river ivy]

Ill agree the game is constant balance and the line shifts but when the dev team ALWAYS goes in the wrong direction thats the problem

[stone spade]

i did

i cant play

the ui actualy hurts

i get a headache everytime i play

[gritty scroll]

Well, you should define why you think it's the wrong direction.

[stone spade]

its not a joke

[subtle heart]

The balance in this game is TERRIBLE. Instead of nerfing demon form from warlock, they remove the best weapon instead like what sense does that make

[sand vault]

when is wipe

didnt play months

need skeleton warlord

[mighty vale]

how to fix error 26-15

[subtle heart]

Keep using your tongue to give sdf a rimjob lil bro

[stone spade]

just stop playing and save your time

[mighty vale]

okay

[subtle heart]

I think terrence wants his turn soon bro

[smoky tendon]

Friday morning servers will be up

[river ivy]

Bro gets direct deposit from SDF it seems to sit in this chat and tug his horrible implements

[gritty scroll]

U mad bro? Lmao

[stone spade]

the ui being changed for no reason so that it physically hurts to play the game is a bad thing if you ask me

[trail laurel]

pretty reasonable to be mad here tbh

[gritty scroll]

I definitely agree

[subtle heart]

sdf can release a hotfix removing weapons from the game and this bootlicker would prob come to game discussion telling everyone just to give it a chance lmao, every game has bootlickers like this 😹😹😹 they are usually 100 hour timmies

[stone spade]

you probably are because we are talking bad about your fav game

[stone spade]

preach

[tame lintel]

Are you SDF on another account? @gritty scroll

[trail laurel]

I think he might be

[tame lintel]

its ok if you are..

We can argue, but take off your mask.

[gritty scroll]

Getting people to talk about actual specific issues with this game is like pulling teeth, isn't it? 😛

[trail laurel]

you havent been talking about specific issues youre just blindly defending everything with the exception of the UI mess

[gritty scroll]

You can go watch my vids to confirm my sdf likeness

[river ivy]

CoalTTV is 100% a timmie at this game. Literally anyone defending what these Devs do are garbage at the game. It's the only way it makes sense

[trail laurel]

Nah fuck off with that self advertisement

[subtle heart]

Zero content
Terrible Balance
Empty Promises
Zero Effort in anything (They literally buy all there models off the unreal store. 300$ for next wipes models btw)

[frosty cove]

Honestly I imagine some
Have. There’s people who adopt games as their life lol there’s no harm in getting opinions I have mine about AI art and there was actual change I now fully respect the devs and community developers they listen for sure. It’s a great game that will find its footing. How cool would it be to see merchants in game that give dynamic quests/buffs/items

[gritty scroll]

I have said that I think they should add content, they should continue balancing the game, and they should do what they can to promote it. And they should fix bugs like the dark UI.

[trail laurel]

thats the most milk toast thing Ive ever heard anyone say, "uhh yeah guys they should update the game"

[subtle heart]

Its always timmies who perma stay in normals who always have something to say.

They think their opinion matters 😹😹😹😹

[gritty scroll]

We can talk about how they should update the game, but very few people seem interested in doing so.

[tame lintel]

3 years of balancing? I just feel like they're bringing back old content over and over again and rolling back new changes. Basically the same recycled content over and over again. When it's not recycled, it's a purchased asset, like the new bosses.

[frosty cove]

Normals is awesome it’s a fair playground for skill man it’s awesome love my Timmy life

[trail laurel]

maybe cause you shut down every attempt to do so by bootlickin 24/7

[subtle heart]

Normals is more balanced than HR but it is 10x more boring and after 3 matches, makes me want to log off

[stone spade]

omg talking to a brick wall is less of a waste of time than talking to you. You have never even argued about what to change, you have just been in here saying that we shouldnt say anything bad at all.

[river ivy]

Buddy STOP with the "they should continue to update and balance" THEY HAVE FKED UP, it is a CRAZY issue when you load into any match and 90% of the lobby is one of three classes. The game is going down and these thermostat I Q devs know it LOL

[gritty scroll]

@subtle heart I wouldn't say zero content. They've added a lot recently. Ofc they should add more.

[tame lintel]

Yes, that's true, but 225+ is a completely different game.

we need something in between

[stone spade]

add a brain to sdfs skull!

[gritty scroll]

I think your experience is very different from mine. I don't see what you're talking about about.

[trail laurel]

What have they added ? the HR rewards are there but thats to be expected, I dont think reverting to circle was "content"

[frosty cove]

Oof I can grasp the concept but it so fun for me. No risk lots of fun fast it’s like the COD of medieval magical gameplay and it’s a balanced playing field I can go in with a sword and parry my heart out

[tame lintel]

what content? make the list i need it

[river ivy]

Tell what content they have added that is game improving in the last 6 months. Id love to see what you think they have done "good" at

[subtle heart]

there isnt zero content but there is such a content drought that is just embarrassing. There are so many amazing ideas for this game that they cannot or refuse to implement

[trail laurel]

are you hired for damage control or something my god

[stone spade]

the longest "nuh uh" i have ever read.

[gritty scroll]

In the last year they added 2 classes, randomized modules, additional modules, ...

[frosty cove]

Artifacts in arena was hella fun

[river ivy]

Bro come on now

[gritty scroll]

I'm not invalidating your experience but I don't think it applies to everyone's experience.

[river ivy]

That was for streamers to try and make arena enjoyable when its not LOL

[frosty cove]

It was, it gives a reason to get artifacts I would never buy one otherwise(with gold)

[river ivy]

How much is the DP from SDF bro

[tropic crow]

so is arena just down until next wipe...

[tame lintel]

It's as simple as seeing the empty dungeons... there's a reason for that.

[stone spade]

got anymore nothing sentences

[subtle heart]

It was but that isn’t content, thats just turning a switch

[river ivy]

Buddys bankaccount gets weekly installments to tug SDF

[frosty cove]

A switch that was fun

[gritty scroll]

I'm discussing the game. In a channel called #game-discussion . Go figure.

[trail laurel]

they added sorcerer and hes still not balanced properly, I guess the randomized modules are a thing but I dont think thats enough

[subtle heart]

But arena is gone now and there is nothing to do? sdf turned the switch off

[frosty cove]

Girls turn my switch it’s fun I don’t. Complain if your gonna complain get AI and unlimited polygons

[gritty scroll]

Why is sorc unbalanced?

[river ivy]

Coal talks about balancing when the three most played classes literally DONT get balanced

[gritty scroll]

Also bring back unrandomized gc

[stone spade]

you are the worst pr guy every. Also that is the saem thing i said to you 2 minutes ago when you said we shouldnt discuss the game.

[subtle heart]

Brother you are a timmy, along with @gritty scroll

[gritty scroll]

When did I say we shouldn't discuss the game lmfao

[frosty cove]

Let’s sword battle 1v1 <25

[peak lynx]

People complaining about empty dungeons at 10am on a Monday…

[tame lintel]

He does the same thing as a mage and better but for some reason he doesn't need to sit on fire.

[subtle heart]

Why would I waste my time doing that

[exotic sluice]

I'm kind of happy now we can run into players actually using their artifacts in the dungeons allowing me and the boys to try them all out after killing bis we wear the bis and then die rinse and repeat fun time to learn new ways to play with artifacts

[gritty scroll]

I main ranger you'll win

[stone spade]

everytime we bring up a major flaw in the game

[trail laurel]

You have not thrown in a single idea of your own until 2 mins ago. All youve done is provide counter arguments to what everyone else says. Thats why you sound like a spokesperson

[frosty cove]

Bock bock bock

[gritty scroll]

Quote me then 🙂

[stone spade]

you are baiting right?

[gritty scroll]

Quote me where i said we should not discuss the game

[river ivy]

Only thing Coal baits is that SDF slong

[stone spade]

dismissed my complaint

[trail laurel]

"I'm not invalidating your experience but I don't think it applies to everyone's experience." "I'm not invalidating your experience but I don't think it applies to everyone's experience." "I think your experience is very different from mine. I don't see what you're talking about about." so on and so forth

[gilded plume]

@glad thunder I am Sdf

[stone spade]

did it again

[frosty cove]

I put longbow on my fighter for artifacts and went up 200mmr (bows are lame)

[trail laurel]

epic

[gritty scroll]

Your complaint was "the game isn't functioning." It is currently up and running. Lol

[stone spade]

balancing is impossible it seems like

[river ivy]

That is one of the issues of this game, fighters should not have bows to begin with.

[tame lintel]

is it at its worst or not?

[gritty scroll]

I have also said multiple times that I agree. The perfect balance doesn't exist

[stone spade]

no meaningful word was said

never heard that one

[trail laurel]

this guy has not said a single meaningful thing this entire chat.

[stone spade]

@gritty scroll OMG ARE YOU DELETING THE MESSEGEES!?!?!

[tame lintel]

AJAJJA

[trail laurel]

LM AODKPŞDAFADLKNMAOIFJLDF

[gritty scroll]

^

[tame lintel]

its a sdf accout

[river ivy]

COAL WT F man going on about "perfect balance doesnt exist" That is not what we are talking about. This game has ZERO balance, thats the problem.

[trail laurel]

I THINK THEY SHOULD ADD CONTENT IS NOT A MEANINGFUL MESSAGE

[gritty scroll]

...no?

[stone spade]

you add nothing to teh conversation just leave omg

[gritty scroll]

I have asked for campaigns, tournaments, events, and game modes

[light oasis]

Considering they’re not adding content? It is…

[river ivy]

Thats all STUPID implements right now

[trail laurel]

lmao youre right

[river ivy]

they have to fix the LITERAL base game before adding stupid sht like that

[gritty scroll]

All of that is examples of content

[gritty scroll]

I'm confused. So you don't want content?

[river ivy]

All examples of content that does nothing for anyone until the game is playable

[stone spade]

just listing content isnt a discussion either

[tame lintel]

If you are SDF on another account and those are your thoughts, there is little left for this beautiful game.

[river ivy]

i do want content, but id rather have content once the game is playable with decent PvP compostion.

[gritty scroll]

Or you're just upset because my suggestions are not the same as your suggestions?

[gritty scroll]

Which is why they should also continue balancing

[trail laurel]

NO people are upset because you add nothing to the disscussion, they should add content is not meaningful disscussion

[subtle heart]

zero shot they are ever doing a story mode

[river ivy]

Your mindset on the addition of content is like taking a dump in a bag that has holes in it, only to dump the bag out after.

[gritty scroll]

Ooh also I'd love to see modding ability

[gritty scroll]

So helpful

[trail laurel]

there you go, thats something we can disscuss

[light oasis]

None of that is really meaningful content that adds to the loop tbh.

[river ivy]

You are rage baiting i know it. THEY ARE NOT CONTINUING TO BALANCE SHT. NO BALANCE IN THIS GAME AT ALL WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[stone spade]

the game would actually implode.

[gritty scroll]

All of those things would draw players in, imo

[trail laurel]

He sounds like hes rage baiting

[abstract apex]

it should be mentioned that classes this next wipe aren't getting nerfed. They're getting buffed.

[light oasis]

Competitive additives are a niche, esports on the whole don’t make money.

[abstract apex]

SDF said druid is working as intended and plans to buff classes up to it.

[trail laurel]

lets hope they dont buff smite and barbarian again

[trail laurel]

alr alr thats cool

[river ivy]

That is literally what we are all saying. IF SDF said that proves why this game is failing

[subtle heart]

He said that a year ago, failed promise other than druid nerfs

[zinc moat]

IM need a good wipe reset and 3 good patches in a row of consistent and iterative changes that aren't 180 no scopes in the wrong direction every week before anything they do will draw players back

[subtle heart]

@glad thunder sell your company plz ty

[abstract apex]

yeah imo some things like one/2 shots need to be addressed unless its something like spells like hellfire/elemental bolt etc

[gritty scroll]

Players want things to do in general. They should add more things to do. That could include events, tournaments, etc

[trail laurel]

xd

[peak lynx]

Fishing

[gritty scroll]

/puke

[river ivy]

Why add things to do in the game when the base game which is looting and PvP is not playable past softcore extent?

[subtle heart]

who the fuck wants to fish, other than a bunch of timmies

[gritty scroll]

Make a suggestion then

[trail laurel]

wait I thought he said it cause john key was rage baiting

[tame lintel]

Fishing is a better idea than a competitive game.... that's how we are

[peak lynx]

Who wants to balance PvP and get “more content” besides people who no life the game?

[zinc moat]

Players want their time respected more than they want new things added. IM needs to establish a base line and build, vs adding new shit, removing old shit, and reverting a bunch of stuff

[stone spade]

just keep fishing while everyone get mauled to death by panthers

[light oasis]

Maps, AI, Better combat, better quests. I can think of 100 things before esports tbh.

[river ivy]

Fire every single DEV that has any hand touching any of the class changes in the last year.

[trail laurel]

Thats true, I feel like this game does not respect the players time in the slightest

[subtle heart]

people who don’t no life the game always want more content. next wipes looks extremely boring

[gritty scroll]

So the whole team?

[light oasis]

I mean this is how you maintain a live service game?

[stone spade]

yes

[stone spade]

purge them

[subtle heart]

its just a bunch of timmies who have no idea what they are talking about

[tame lintel]

LOL

[gritty scroll]

I guess it sounds like you wanna play a different game then.

[peak lynx]

No one said this had to be a live service game. I think they should stop doing any patches for a whole year and watch their toxic player base disappear to the next game that revolves around “fun = ruining other people’s games”

[stone spade]

yes

[subtle heart]

bro just go play stardew valley

[abstract apex]

Also if you strickly play solos. The game is never balanced around solo play in mind.

[stone spade]

they broke this one

[trail laurel]

with the state of the game right now, yeah

[river ivy]

100% the single greatest thing that could happen for the future of Dark and Darker is SDF selling it, which requires an entire new team of logical thinking devs.

[abstract apex]

I got things i hate about dark n darker i got things i love about dark n darker.

[subtle heart]

agreed, if they don’t sell the game, dark and darker will cease to exist with 5 years, most likely shorter

[gritty scroll]

More maps yes. When you say AI do you mean better NPC behavior? Better combat how?

[trail laurel]

abslutely, everybody here does but talking about why we love it in game disscussion is pointless

[river ivy]

If this game stays in the hands of the Ironmace team, it will have the player base of nothing within the next year.

[gritty scroll]

If you sell a company you don't have to fire everyone in the company. That's just not how it works. This just sounds like an immature overreaction to a problem tbh

[trail laurel]

thats a good question to ask, I do feel like the stupid AI is intentional though

[zinc moat]

You can love and hate things, but eventually if you feel like ur spinning in circles the feeling of regress ruins the fond memories you had of the game when it was good.

[peak lynx]

Tbh make the norms bots the HR and make the HR mobs harder to cheese with like some adaptive attacks. All the cool mobs like centaurs, and demons can just be cheesed by sitting on top of something high. Or the stairs shit. That needs to get taken out

[river ivy]

The entire team needs to be fired brother LOL

[peak lynx]

Give them a sweep attack and a jump attack or a ranged pull out option

[gritty scroll]

According to you the business genius?

[light oasis]

Deeper combat, blocking and hit boxes that are consistent and work. Skill expression through parry, block, kick etc.

More complex AI patterns, the mobs are a trivial part of the game.

[stiff crow]

so the remaining "toxic" players are just gonna get even better at abusing the current cheese meta

with more noobs to fight

[river ivy]

According to roughly 80% of the player base Id say is a good start LOL

[heady mural]

Day 10 of asking the dev team to set up a community led quality assurance team

[gritty scroll]

"fire the devs" is not feedback for the game, and just generally pretty meaningless

[subtle heart]

are you delusional??? are you suggesting they stop updating the game so toxic players would leave???? this is legit new levels of timmy i didnt know was possible 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹

[river ivy]

Bro im out of this chat for now, you are literally a SDF tug champion.

[gritty scroll]

Ok bro good chat

[subtle heart]

legit no teeth full throat on sdf’s shaft rn

[zinc moat]

Those would be nice but it really isn't that complex even, revert to before circle patch, tune continous dungeons down, force reds and blues to spawn later, make red gates lever blocked or any sort of interaction (interact open 1 entry recloses) and implement a religion throughout the wipe instead of one random patch to crash the economy and the game would have been at a really good place

[hexed shell]

lol imagine if the centaur just pulled out a giant crossbow. or shot a fireball or something

[trail laurel]

are you stupid ?

[hexed shell]

yo why not let arena run until end of wipe I dont understand that

[stiff crow]

i don't think all the devs at ironmace are responsible for the amount of stupidity in recent patches, i think if sdf was gone, we can have a big improvement

[astral remnant]

mining

[trail laurel]

man you never fail to make me laugh with these lmao

[subtle heart]

i was legit dumbfounded when i read that “nobody said this game had to be live service..”

[gritty scroll]

Lol

[stone spade]

man, you would believe it.

[subtle heart]

he thinks there is enough content to last an entire year if we didnt have updates, the game would die in 2 months zero joke

[trail laurel]

"I think they should stop doing any patches for a whole year"

[gritty scroll]

Bring back unrandomized gob caves. Bossing and mining are impossible now

[nova mauve]

pve is actually going to save the game, dont worry.

[zinc moat]

its just this sdf's vision conflict with the teams vision causing rapid changes and non-iterative balancing, Team will go one way thats starting to get good, have a few issues and SDF will go look at these issues and use it to justify going back to his vision....

[subtle heart]

timmy land is a mythical place to explore

[trail laurel]

xdd

[stone spade]

YES REVERT MORE CHANGES FOR NO REASON AND WASTE EVERYONES TIME!

[trail laurel]

I do agree with this.

[gritty scroll]

? No one is wasting your time lil bro. Calm down

[stiff crow]

atleast i can have my <124 goblin caves arena back

[daring palm]

they gotta get their shit together and quick i hope

[peak lynx]

Who gone tell him LMAO

[trail laurel]

they just keep adding random crap and reverting it Im also quite infurated with that

[zinc moat]

No one played on rando gobbies, game has been dead starting in religion patch and fully dead by rando gobbies patch

[gritty scroll]

We are still in early access so I'm expecting that honestly

[river ivy]

They need to add an SDF shrine on Goblin caves so Coal and his boys can go tug it for luck pots

[zinc moat]

100% wasting players time crashing market with religion patch wdym, iron mace mid wipe decide to waste all ur time

[zinc moat]

bro games been out 2 years gtfo about early access... so cringe

[hexed shell]

I'd rather have a boss compass item or boss icons on the map so you can find the bosses if you want to fight them. random dungeons are kind of fun and this way they will be able to add more and more new rooms and stuff which is good for replayability

[subtle heart]

are you stupid? I understand that you are fresh to the game and a timmy, but this game has KNOWN for reverting changes MULTIPLE MULTIPLE times. It does NOTHING but waste time and cause exhaustion within the playerbase

[gritty scroll]

The religion thing was bad yes

[trail laurel]

Abslutely but it does get annoying after the 1883th time

[light oasis]

It’s been 3 years I’d like some meaningful change.

[daring palm]

revert count?

[peak lynx]

“Player base player base” I solo Que and enjoy the game. U saying player base screams “I only have fun killing people”

[nova mauve]

sdf is following the vision of dungeonborne, kill it.

[zinc moat]

Best I can do is bringing back circles brother

[light oasis]

That’s the core loop yeah.

[stone spade]

REVERT THE UI

[river ivy]

I have played this game for years and these SDF tug demons think I dont care for the game?

[trail laurel]

REVERT THE FUCKING KUI PLEASSEEEE

[gritty scroll]

I was saying specifically I think they should revert gob caves. I was not saying that reverting things in general is always good.

[subtle heart]

you are a perma sub 25 timmy, nobody cares what you have to say

[stone spade]

TURN ON THE LIGHT OMG

[native crow]

Continuous dungeon sucks so bad for the game. game was way more fun b4 cmm, u had a lobby, those were the players in the lobby, you either beat or died to them and then you had the right to continue exploring the dungeon, now its just a constant battle royal to explore, not good design, the player is left with no reward for clearing players aside from the loss of med 9 outta 10 times

[subtle heart]

I tried to tell them that, the people who are most critical of the game want to see the game succeed

[daring palm]

OG Green heath bar were the days

[gritty scroll]

Agree 110%

[subtle heart]

they think being rude and having criticism means I want a game I spent hours and hours on to die

[light oasis]

Nah, whale room.

If you don’t remember whale room you’re not an OG.

[trail laurel]

everyone HAS TO BE POSITIVE NO MEAN WORDS

[river ivy]

They too busy getting piped up by SDG and his goon dev team

[gritty scroll]

Meanwhile, your criticisms: "fire all the devs lol"

[light oasis]

Or sideways weapon UI.

[zinc moat]

just go back to pre religion patch and turn off CMM and make statics open way later and game is saved zzzzz but im wont do that unlucky

[river ivy]

That was mine bro

[peak lynx]

Not true but sure. I’d say I win 50/50 my fights in HR and when I die it’s bc I missed a block or spacing. I don’t complain about “balance” or “player base” just enjoy the game.

[daring palm]

had the most fun on old jungle gym

[subtle heart]

Because they are incompetent and will kill this gem of a game

[gritty scroll]

Oh well now it's his too lmao

[stone spade]

GET OUT

[echo sparrow]

yall still fighting in here? lmao

[peak lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/forgive-me-sir-leonardo-da-vinci-aidan-turner-leonardo-this-is-all-my-fault-gif-21593531

[trail laurel]

Stop complaining CONSOOOMM terrible balance changes

[stone spade]

gif dont work stupid

[gritty scroll]

You know what will definitely kill a game? Firing everyone who works on it

[subtle heart]

so you missing a block means we have to sit here for 3 years listening to empty promises and a lack of content

[river ivy]

Not if you hire a new one first SDF tug

[daring palm]

LMAO

[subtle heart]

I said sell the game you netherdal

[river ivy]

Oh your new name is SDF Tug Master ill be using that from here on.

[daring palm]

this is stright comady

[gritty scroll]

100% turnover would be horrible for morale internally. I'd give them a year before they closed their doors.

[tame lintel]

Reverting changes is the closest thing we have to content. lmao

[river ivy]

Thats going to happen regardless with the current team.

[gritty scroll]

That's why I suggested a bunch of other new content

[subtle heart]

DO YOU KNOW HOW BAD MORALE IS RIGHT NOW? EVERYONE HATES THIS GAME, THIS GAME HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL

[proper rapids]

Its funny to see all the people in here wasting their energy. I agree with a lot of the things said, but your wasting your breath. No one of any importance is listening and your opinions are basically meaningless without someone with some power to change the game caring what you say.

[river ivy]

Again, cannot add content when base game is fked. What do you not get about that

[gritty scroll]

So if you don't want the game to die, don't advocate for firing everyone

[tame lintel]

We're heading towards a content-free wipe, and doesn't that seem like negligence on the part of the developers?

[zinc moat]

new content doesn't solve the decision making and leadership issue, unti lthat is resolve no matter what they do wipes will die earlier and earlier and playerbase will continue to decline

[gritty scroll]

You can do both at once my dude.

[river ivy]

These devs cant count to 10 what you mean both at once

[gritty scroll]

Lol great feedback

[subtle heart]

bro you are just a new level of stupid. the game is dying because of this team, they need to give the game to a more competent team

[tame lintel]

"the game is dying because of this team" fact

the duns are empty...

[hexed shell]

its honestly not that long since they added sorc and after that they made a bunch of new rooms for existing maps so there actually was a good amount of content. its disappointing that the water map isnt ready but its not like their doing nothing. but yeah sorry in advance for not saying anything negative dont yell at me 😦

[daring palm]

SDF says their is a ME in Team

[gritty scroll]

Ok let's assume that happened. Now let's talk about what the new team should do.

(so we can move on)

[river ivy]

Anything different as to the current objectives of this iron mace team.

[gritty scroll]

Such as

[tame lintel]

It's just a matter of looking back and realizing why the game had more people before... it's not that difficult.

[nova mauve]

doest matter if there is a new team, every single change, suggestion or update, must be approved and presented to SDF

[gritty scroll]

Like what

[subtle heart]

Sorc imo was not a failed project and I think they excuted their vision of the class pretty well (from a design standpoint) but a new class does nothing for players who dont want to play it, we need more things to do.

[gritty scroll]

Oh oh are we advocating for more reverting things?? 😛

[tame lintel]

NOOO PLS

[cosmic raven]

What day is wipe ?

[river ivy]

90% of the player base mains warlock, druid and sorc. After that they play 330MS barbs, Thats the entire game atm

[tame lintel]

You are proving me right about how badly they are managed

lose players reverse repeat

[hasty ice]

Bro i think the game with out the "new development in progress classes" would be better yea

[hexed shell]

yeah thats kind of true. if you dont like playing casters all you got this season was a few new rooms and new clothing options. lets hope they got something good saved up for wipe

[gritty scroll]

You want to revert things, therefore they are badly managed? I don't follow.

[peak lynx]

Nah it means u lost the fight.

[river ivy]

You are so right its not even funny. This dev team implements a new patch, watches player count dwindle and then just hits the revert button.

[tame lintel]

I don't want them to revert things, that's what they do, but each change only makes the game worse and there are fewer players...

[hasty ice]

Original classes

With 6 maps?

3 classes that broke the game balance beyond belief

[peak lynx]

But the drama ❤️‍🔥✨✨

[river ivy]

These devs dont even utilize test branches either, they just throw dog sht into the game

[nova mauve]

@river ivy I think you are also forgetting 3 years of straight number changes back and forth between the same values multiple times each year. immense waste of time.

[light oasis]

You remember lava monster?

[gritty scroll]

So when you said this ^ you meant that you wanted them to revert things, or no?

[gritty scroll]

How would you know that? Lol

[subtle heart]

Add Quivers
Permanently keep arena open with a revised ranked system
Change the current HR ranking system because it is more of a battle pass rather than a symbol of rank/skill
Add more spells/perks/skills to other classes
Add guilds and perhaps true raiding too
Fix Quests and make them actually enjoyable
Remove swarm and add 5-7 minutes to the clock so you actually have more time to find and kill bosses

[river ivy]

Im sure you do, SDF tug boy. Probably him or one of his possee in hiding on your acc.

[subtle heart]

?? you make zero sense

[tame lintel]

I'm not a developer friend, just a consumer. I portrayed the modus operandi of these people, and it doesn't work. There are just fewer players than before.

[gritty scroll]

110% agree

[peak lynx]

Good take. I like this

[cosmic raven]

I think these are all good

[daring palm]

i dont think that i had the game at that time i started to play right before warlock release

[peak lynx]

How does that not make sense? U take a sword to the face u die. U don’t complain “wow that did hella damage wtf” maybe don’t get hit.

[river ivy]

Perfect changes, just forgot the removal of druid.

[gritty scroll]

Quivers already exist when you press r to reload your bow. But it should hold more arrows and be faster reload imo.

[daring palm]

bro never seen a 330 ms barb then

[tame lintel]

The game is good, it should grow, not shrink. That's negligence, whether you like it or not. @gritty scroll

[subtle heart]

YOU ARE SUCH A TIMMY HOLY

[river ivy]

BRO IS A TIMMY AF

[gritty scroll]

Then give some suggestions for how

[cosmic raven]

I know who we’ll see grinding adventure mode

[subtle heart]

100% less than 100 hours on the game

[gritty scroll]

So you think your bow just magically has an arrow inventory? Lol ok

[subtle heart]

bro 😭😭😭😭

[abstract apex]

well it's techically true. i was debating this with another druid the other day he said they already got quivers on their hilts. but i'd think of that more as of pouch then a quiver.

[gritty scroll]

Make it hold like 100 instead of 8

[river ivy]

@gritty scroll bro how many hours you have in this game, please tell us.

[abstract apex]

the game needs lore

[tame lintel]

As I said, I'm not a developer, I show my discontent. Before, the game was better for me and many people. The developers know this and can't seem to find the right path. Basically... negligence.

[abstract apex]

fr.

[hasty ice]

Remove spell wheel if druid can transform

They get spell wheel and spells if they have lifebloom equip

[abstract apex]

remove fighter second wind if they have sprint.

[subtle heart]

Reloading your arrows from “quiver” is not the same as an Inventory quiver which allows you to hold more arrows

[clear pendant]

they really have to make 1 leaderboard per server, 3k rating is not the same in every region

[light oasis]

Goated changes minus quiver.

[light oasis]

Agreed.

[gritty scroll]

Well apparently you can't find it either cuz you can't even describe it

[slate widget]

what is this cape skin

[cosmic raven]

They should remove the healing spells but not the damage ones. Druids are supposed to be able to shape shift and cast. Add more poke spells and allow no heals if you have shape shift

[river ivy]

How many hours you have in this game please tell us.

[slate widget]

on bard section cause i can t post images

[subtle heart]

Quiver should replace cape imo for ranged classes

[gritty scroll]

I don't respond to ad hominem attacks

[tame lintel]

It's not that difficult either, my friend, if you make changes and half the community leaves...

[river ivy]

You wont answer it LOL

[subtle heart]

Timmy alert 🚨

[abstract apex]

what i was thinkin pretty much

[hexed shell]

I dont completely hate adventure rank being more of a battle pass it gives people of all skill levels an incentive to grind. maybe they could give you some kind of prestige based on how many games it took you to get demi but imo its okay if you can grind demi. its not the same but we still have arena rank to show off pvp skill

[pure barn]

when is wipe?

[river ivy]

bro has 42 hrs and tugs SDF like this

[gritty scroll]

I have about 750 hours. Which you can look up on my twitch channel.

[river ivy]

Only 750 and you tug SDF this hard still?

[subtle heart]

750 hours in sub 25 maybe

[gritty scroll]

I don't care?

[abstract apex]

Nifty SDF said druid is working as intended

[tame lintel]

and do you feel that the game is progressing as it should?

[abstract apex]

just poke the cat harder in the face

[gritty scroll]

See here are the ad hominem attacks I was talking about

These guys are the only ones who care about my hours

[river ivy]

is ad homeinem your fav line or what bro

[hasty ice]

Sdf looking in game discussion for what to do

Buff warlock?

[abstract apex]

See i don't like SDF because he lies about drinking from a cup. Like who tf gotta do that.

[gritty scroll]

It literally doesn't matter how many hours I have. That is not feedback about the game.

[tame lintel]

Not me, I thought you were new anyway.

[light oasis]

Actually yeah quivers are fine rangers can already store 100 arrows seems like a nice QOL thing tbh.

[river ivy]

SDF watching game diss, buffs druid warlock and sorc

[gritty scroll]

Who the fuck said that?

[zinc moat]

His point is not about the actual changes in specific, it's how they are approaching designing and changing the game fundamentally. Constant revisions and reverting between extremes and opposites leaves players with an incoherent experience where one patch things are great with some minor issues that instead of iterating on like one would expect, the next patch is doomsday and a 180 in the other direction.

There is no logical progression or iteration between patches or even wipes, this wipe started pretty good but there were complaints abotu CMM and statics, but instead of tuning down CMM or changing statics IM left it untouched for a month just to wake up and add circles and rng portals. It's just horrible decision making...

[gritty scroll]

No one is claiming to have mastered the game lil bro

[tame lintel]

fact

[gritty scroll]

Coming from playing Tarkov before this, I actually think they're doing ok lol

[river ivy]

The way you talk about the game id doubt if your a novice in those 750 hrs

[gritty scroll]

My skill doesn't matter

[tame lintel]

Tarkov is a good example of how to destroy a good game through negligence.

[gritty scroll]

Yup

[tame lintel]

we are going down the same path

[gritty scroll]

They have done a lot more things that make sense, as opposed to Tarkov devs

[tame lintel]

and I play on Sa servers imagine how lonely I am

[river ivy]

Dark is the same thing but worse bro, at least we dont pay $300 for this garbage

[tame lintel]

😦

another fact

[gritty scroll]

DaD is better than Tarkov any day

[daring palm]

agreed

[nova mauve]

PvE mode will ironically bring alot of people to the game, they can farm gear and quests and gather, and choose when they want to pvp after building up some semblence of gear

up to epic gear, but that makes sense

[abstract apex]

PvE mode is gonna attract another cloud of players fosure.

if it doesn't ill get a goblin preggers.

[tame lintel]

pve is a good call, but I don't know if at this moment

[subtle heart]

pve mode wont matter

[nova mauve]

another can of worms be opened though, now they need to keep pve interesting and refreshed lol

[tame lintel]

If PVE mode attracts new people, I assure you it won't retain them.

[nova mauve]

on top of everything else

[abstract apex]

PvE will get a lot of reworks to a bunch of pve bugs surely.

[zinc moat]

Tarkov made a more succesful game before they made poor decisions to destroy it, DaD has never been able to even reach a coherent level of succes similar to tarkov bcs they've always generally had this poor approach to planning

[abstract apex]

Surely we won't get more store items that are redstone only

[mild shell]

thank you for the game dev advice i will personally forward this to SDF

[subtle heart]

the only good thing about pve mode is just learning bosses or if you want to listen to spotify, there is no other reason to even delve in pve mode

[abstract apex]

bros literally never went to go play with randoms

[river ivy]

Tell SDF to suck on @gritty scroll

[gritty scroll]

10/10 game feedback. Super helpful for the state of the game.

[tame lintel]

Seriously? Can we pass along a list of changes I have too?

[nova mauve]

@mild shell give wizards infinite spells please

[tame lintel]

@mild shell buff TM ON WARLOCK PLS SDF

[gritty scroll]

There he goes with those personal attacks again

[rough ridge]

Remove fog of war

[gritty scroll]

(you like how I didn't say ad hominem this time? Just for you)

[floral pendant]

Wait pve and pvp mode will be intertwined?

[subtle heart]

no, but you can bring loot over i believe (pve mode is capped at epic quality)

[nova mauve]

@floral pendant yea you can bring in gear from pve, but you cant farm artifacts or gear above epic

[zinc moat]

Nah PvE lets you bring new players into the experience which is/was a big issue, but it doesn't solve the issue of game design/coherent vision and iterative changes which ruins player retention

[subtle heart]

agreed

[tame lintel]

yup

[subtle heart]

warlock is pretty ok rn, as long as ur in good gear tho

[floral pendant]

Ah well that will still keep questing impossible since they made the entire game RNG and accidentally took out modules with quest areas lol

[tame lintel]

It was just sarcasm

[subtle heart]

jsut pure Incompetence

[tame lintel]

Asking for buffs or nerfs on Discord is just cringe.

[gritty scroll]

They admitted that? Or you just can't find the modules lol

[floral pendant]

One of the cave altars accidentally got removed so did bandit

[gritty scroll]

F

[floral pendant]

Happened when they took them out of arena and bandit needed to be located for a quest this wipe

[olive monolith]

when is the wipe again?

[gritty scroll]

Was that in the latest tavern table?

[tame lintel]

4/10

[olive monolith]

preesh

[tame lintel]

just 3 days

[fervent anvil]

wrong

[cerulean mason]

4/11

at 2am

:D (i think)

[tame lintel]

Sorry, the time in my country changes the date.

[smoky jetty]

ladys and gentleman will there be arena in last day of wipe? or its gone?

[cerulean mason]

most likely last day of wipe

until 2 am

[smoky jetty]

nice

ty

[median wren]

bring back arena ffs

[real copper]

is it true you can bring non-minted named items into arena now?

[median holly]

If they keep this fog of war and we are given quests to find modules i will be very sad

[median holly]

Not anymore the wipe will occur before the next arena opening

[sinful vigil]

you gotta love it when you spawn into a dungean and you have just over 10 min left. Dumbest idea I ever heard of to put ppl at that much of a disadvantage.

Continuous dungeon sucks hard.

[subtle heart]

So remove spawning bosses…

[sinful vigil]

How would that change the fact you spawn in with almost half your time gone

[subtle heart]

Because it’s useless loading into a dungeon not really knowing how to do hr bosses and no way to learn except paying to spawn it @sinful vigil

[full zephyr]

Stuck on the connecting menu xd

[hasty ice]

Who We Buffing Up

[leaden peak]

when fix dsync block

[hasty ice]

Id assume when blocking actually works

[copper dune]

Is Sorc white or not

[inner urchin]

when is wipe????

[wooden gulch]

[peak lynx]

He’s brown

[odd nacelle]

I really need buff Buff-duration. Which work not only for you
And armor penetration

[acoustic swift]

why tf would they close arenas

[oak shale]

Naaah its cool

[odd nacelle]

I want to build buff duration on cleric for my teammates....

[silver smelt]

@DEVS
Every content creator making patch notes videos always points out how bad some changes are. It's not a conspiracy—everyone just hates every single patch because you are terrible at balancing.
The chances of getting a good patch are so low that people just assume the next one will be garbage.

[ember holly]

when is wipe ?

[proper river]

2 days 5 hours 37 mins

[abstract apex]

Like 1/2 the things you say would help the game.

[ember holly]

damn

thank you

[cloud rain]

young fella, people will always whine... especially some burned out streamers who are forced to play the game because no one watches them when they play variety

i've seen this so often in my decades of gaming, you'd not believe it

when counter-strike 1.6 came out, people started petitions against valve

[abstract apex]

content creators are pretty bad when it comes to this community espically.

[acoustic swift]

if everyone is complaining about the same classes i think there is a problem

[silver smelt]

well than I am burned out pvp player and I know what changes are good and bad. It doesn't take much to know. you just have to play the game

[abstract apex]

"and i know what changes are good and bad" yikes ego moment.

[silver smelt]

sory my bad

[acoustic swift]

who had the dumb idea to close arenas 3 days before wipe

[tame lintel]

The big problem with the balance is that there are 2 games in 1, 224+ and -224 and the balance works very differently in each one

People who play full bis have a VERY different experience than those who play 0-124

The overall balance will never be in line with the two matchmakings

[quick grove]

i can already get 8 true on 124

i'm a free to play

[tame lintel]

Yes! And it's fun because you make up for the lack of equipment elsewhere.

[quick grove]

what do you mean

[tame lintel]

My point is that they balance in general and that does not impact the lobbies in the same way, that is why we have such different opinions on balance.

[quick grove]

i'm not disagreeing with you

i'm just locked to normals

[tame lintel]

normals its fun

[fluid horizon]

ironmace needs its own 60 minutes segment on how to not run a company and make the worst possbile decisions fathomable

[quick grove]

✅ ✅

[silver smelt]

I'm also locked to normals, because HR is a kingdom of rogues, panthers, and barbarians.

[tame lintel]

me2

[quick grove]

220 hp barbs vs me a wizard

[deep peak]

can u just gimme wipe pls

[fleet sundial]

free deathblooms tho

[quick grove]

does a fire sphere or fireball do more damage

[silver smelt]

Before patch 69, there were so many different classes in HR solos.

[abstract apex]

that's a poor excuse not to play HR lol. Theres these same 3 classes that kill me so instead of getting better at fighting them i'll just give up.

lol...

[leaden peak]

i love buying 1 legendary wepond and just kill pepole in 124

[silver smelt]

best rage baiter in entire server

[abstract apex]

I think that goes to you.

[silver smelt]

you are such a nice person

[abstract apex]

You clearly "know whats good and bad for the game" yet you are locked to normals. because YOU strickly play solos lol.

[silver smelt]

how dare you assume I only play solos

[abstract apex]

you just complained about rogue/barbs/panthers keeping you from playing HR yet. They're only a problem on solos xd.

[leaden peak]

solo the only fun part in this game

[abstract apex]

That's a shame because the game is balanced around trios.

as it should be aswell.

[leaden peak]

i make 3x less gold from trios lol

[outer grail]

Technically they do the same damage now, but if you are a wizard and have fire mastery the fire sphere would do more damage. This is due to fire mastery elongating the dot duration but keeping the damage the same. So if you have enough debuff duration bonus you can actually just not get burnt by the dot.

All in all same damage unless you have fm. But FB is way better in everything

[stiff crow]

so can we remove druid from the game please

[peak lynx]

Game needs grapple mechanic with strength/dex so I can strangle rogues who crouch and circle you then spam stab you to death just bc their attack speed is faster than you.

[abstract apex]

not until warlock/sorc get removed

[outer grail]

I make 3x more gold, cause we e kill teams and my tm8's die so I get their kills mwhaha >;)

[abstract apex]

so probably never.

[outer grail]

Why would you remove them?

[peak lynx]

That’s like the only time I die. And clearly, I should never die in game. Therefore give me strangle mechanic for anti rogue

[abstract apex]

why would they remove druid?

[smoky tendon]

83 hours till wipe!!

[outer grail]

Druid I agree 💯

[abstract apex]

if we gonna backtrack we may aswell delete all the new classes.

[stiff crow]

warlock sure, sorcerer should be lower in the priority

[midnight igloo]

just delete all classes

[quick grove]

we need magic missile M134

[stiff crow]

sorcerer plays less annoying than warlock

[abstract apex]

Longsword should also be get massive action speed nerfs.

[noble kraken]

add artificer

[outer grail]

But to remove sorc/warlock all in all is hilarious. You must've lost your fav kits to them

[leaden peak]

idk i just make way more solo no good team mates or any with same play style i have

[silver smelt]

[midnight igloo]

please implement a fighter jet next season

[quick grove]

no

[peak lynx]

Gear related abilities. No classes goated

[abstract apex]

No, just cuz they're new classes.

[outer grail]

Get friends to play with

[outer grail]

All classes were new at some point you aren't making a point

[midnight igloo]

i would love to fly around with my f22 on goblins cavern

[abstract apex]

i die to bards more than i die to warlock/sorc

[quick grove]

well if a wizard has a sorcerer teammate and they put levitate and then they cast fireball then...

[abstract apex]

lol.

[warm kraken]

pls add skateboards so we can shred in the dungeon

[noble kraken]

agreed

[outer grail]

I mean, they are adding guns so I think I can agree

[abstract apex]

Can't wait for warlock PvE nerfs 💪 SDF is so goated for confirming nerfs.

[leaden peak]

they all suck

[hasty ice]

Buff arming sword

[abstract apex]

find new ppl to play with lol.

[midnight igloo]

what animal skin you want next? count me in for crocs

[abstract apex]

preggo goblins

we've been waiting for too long and it's been severly demanded.

[midnight igloo]

thats specific

[abstract apex]

Graysun even said that if it gets demanded enough it can't be ignored.

So Preggo goblins 👏 make it happen

[outer grail]

Then get new ones?

[outer grail]

And how do I even know if you are good lol

[midnight igloo]

are you even real?

[covert shale]

is there oging to be a wipe lol

[midnight igloo]

they gonna add a gun?

[covert shale]

going

[midnight igloo]

which one

[leaden peak]

they die to pve .-.

[abstract apex]

i mean it's pretty much cod may aswell let everyone use a powder pistol ong.

[jolly flame]

Anyone else having trouble finding boss room??

[echo sparrow]

helps if you dont kill all the mobs

[midnight igloo]

5 min in 3s lobby queue hell yeah

[wooden gulch]

[outer grail]

When they add the water map there'll be pirates, in the file name one of them is a gun pirate xD

[outer grail]

Every1 has died to PvE.

[main garden]

Yo is new map coming out next wipe?

[midnight igloo]

ty

[peak lynx]

No

[leaden peak]

its evry time we go in .-.

[main garden]

Dam, do we have a date for the next next wipe?

[peak lynx]

10th

[main garden]

The one after

[peak lynx]

Do you run through every room looking for PvP and agro all the mobs and leave ur friends to clean up?

[echo sparrow]

thats how most people start

[peak lynx]

No clue

[main garden]

My friends run with my on our murder spree

[midnight igloo]

water map with pirates sounds fun actually

[crystal iris]

Is there a server issue going on right now?

[leaden peak]

they are not new tho

[echo sparrow]

well then teach them

[humble pelican]

Hey guys can anyone help me out with this issue. everytime i try to install dad its keep giving me a error pop up message saying failed to Prepair update CAN SOMEONE PLZZZ HELP

[gleaming locust]

waa waa my friends are bad. play with them or dont

[echo sparrow]

we nee more warriors in the dungeon

[echo sparrow]

playing on epic?

[humble pelican]

NAH blacksmith

[gleaming locust]

1k hours on this game and i still get hit by a white skeleton within 10 seconds of a run sometimes and all my friends get to have a good laugh with me

[subtle heart]

is the new wipe already in or is it upcoming guys?

[echo sparrow]

say sike rn

[royal rover]

Can we not play Dark & Darker on Epic Games Launcher anymore?

[eager socket]

wondering the same thing

[gleaming locust]

Season has ended, wipe in just a few days

[subtle heart]

ty bro ❤️

[leaden peak]

i dont i play solo lol

[hard rock]

Please be nice and courteous to others

[leaden peak]

waht u talkinggg aboutt

[gleaming locust]

👍

[spiral juniper]

Any idea what time wipe will be on Thursday. Im Eastern time, trying to figure out if I want to take work off

[echo sparrow]

dont

[spiral juniper]

lol

[gleaming locust]

I would plan on things being delayed, just the nature of games. plan on the next day off instead

[echo sparrow]

youre laughing and im serious

[spiral juniper]

right okay, no its just such an obvious answer is all idk what i was expecting. I will be working on Thursday 😦

[echo sparrow]

the game should be ready thursday afternoon

but do you want to take off work on thursday, have the game be delayed extra time and realized it wasnt worth it?

[gleaming locust]

There has been no announcement. patch could take 1 hour, or 12 hours. Its not an obvious answer.

[spiral juniper]

I do agree. Was not trying to be negative I think you are right

[echo sparrow]

i believe they said its like an 8 hour patch, starting at 2am est

i think they mentioned it on the dev cast

[gleaming locust]

Fair enough, so hopefully thursday evening. I must have missed it when I watched.

[spark tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRTcUzhIhT0

[spiral juniper]

Okay I appreciate the info. Sounds right to me

[spark tiger]

is this good content

[patent yew]

what the fuck is wrong with you man there is starving children in goblins caves with no named, shamless...

[echo sparrow]

the game is wiping. do this on day 2 of wipe and maybe

[spark tiger]

bruhv its a game! PIXELS!

[timid ore]

when wype?

[smoky jetty]

are servers down? cant log in

like third time

I am stuck in the loading in

"connecting"

but I dont connect basically

[echo sparrow]

restart your client/repair your files

[mortal salmon]

that was happening to me yesterday

[smoky jetty]

by restart you mean close and restart? cause I be doing that

[echo sparrow]

launcher?

[smoky jetty]

how did u fix that?

[smoky jetty]

steam

[echo sparrow]

restarting steam should fix your issue

[smoky jetty]

ty

nvm it worked after 5 log ins

how many hours till wipe?

[mortal salmon]

i started it through the library

took me 3 times

[lament helm]

72 hours till patches starts. Then expect 7-8 delays for this “mid season update”. So many 85 hours from now

[smoky jetty]

ty

[thorny dew]

Will they add a paladin class?

Or some other

[tribal yoke]

I believe monk is next class

[ruby fossil]

I think they said paladin is after monk

[thorny dew]

So each season new class?

[ruby fossil]

Next season is not launching with a class

[thorny dew]

Oh

[hasty ice]

Monk ability 1

Instantly teleport to target immune to damage for 3 seconds

[past rock]

Paladin is just a cleric that does damage

[past rock]

OH WAIT DONT WE HAVE THOSE?

[ruby fossil]

Yeah pretty much

[stiff crow]

cleric does huge damage

[past rock]

Exactly my point

We already have a paladin

We don’t need another one

[ruby fossil]

Paladin will be able to one shot with divine smite

[stiff crow]

ok

[peak lynx]

Monk would be cool

[past rock]

Uninstalled game

[fervent anvil]

[broken quail]

Anyone else is getting the "Failed to connect to the game. Quit the game" Error message?

[mortal salmon]

just start it a bunch

[urban void]

when is the wipe ?

[peak lynx]

10th

[urban void]

thx

[nocturne river]

servers down?

[smoky jetty]

trigger warning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRTcUzhIhT0&t=2s people selling artifacts to woodsman lmfao

[gilded plume]

I am Sdf

[sleek lark]

hi sdf can you make the game better and less bad?

[gilded plume]

No I want to play Druid

[sleek lark]

well i tried guys

[somber vault]

Am I the only one getting disconnected every 15 seconds in the menu?

[stark rapids]

I am disconnected every time I end a game

[smoky jetty]

I thought you main fighter now

[silver smelt]

connection problems 😎

[gilded plume]

No. Sit now.

[smoky tendon]

82 hours till wipe

[silver smelt]

patch 82 it all makes sense now

[zinc orbit]

i am sdf ballhair

[silver smelt]

13 more hours and we are doomed

[smoky tendon]

Not patch 69 😢

[river ivy]

SDF = 45 IQ

[frigid mauve]

what's up with the game not connecting.

[echo sparrow]

restart your launcher

[plush sky]

anyone know what happened in the update i just did? (released in the past 2 days, dont see any patch notes or hotfixes)

[shell ermine]

That’s a lot lowk

[silver smelt]

some hidden changes

[marble fiber]

Anyone got stuck in loading screen after going down the red in castle?

[cinder sphinx]

just alt f4 and load back in quick

[marble fiber]

Hope this works out, it's my last last kit

[cinder sphinx]

it should, happens from time to time

[amber orbit]

How do I get more squire gear

[cinder sphinx]

quests

[amber orbit]

Is it any specific quest or just any

[cinder sphinx]

all/any

[pure barn]

when is wipe?

[nova mauve]

@pure barn when you wipe your eyes off and read

april 10th/11th depending on your time zone

[tribal yoke]

yeah, if you do weaponsmith quests you'll get higher quality weapons going from poor to common for squire

[viscid snow]

tailor, weaponsmith, leathersmith, armourer, woodsman, alchemist are the main ones

[neat breach]

Is this game always going to have a storm circle like fortnite now?

[tribal yoke]

though next season said all merchant will have quests so maybe squire will have quests and thats now how you get better squire gear?

[echo sparrow]

how can we know for sure

[tribal yoke]

then again i dont know if you consider the squire a merchant

[stable echo]

Do quests for the gear merchants like for the armorer will give you more plate armor options ect

[neat breach]

It seems to completely ruin everything about the game that I enjoyed. I will come back, if they remove it. The Fog of War and Random dungeons made questing hard enough. Now it's nearly impossible. PVE is an enjoyable aspect for some players, they make it harder to enjoy with the changes they've made solely to increase PVP conflicts and in game action. The game has enough PVP as it was, and had enough stress factors without an additional storm circle to worry about.

[smoky heron]

will PvE have bosses?

[neat breach]

There are bosses.

[smoky heron]

got it thank you

[valid falcon]

refs do something https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/k2BOFc3vevkt_iMP2?invite=cr-MSxJSzMsMzcyMDM1ODI0

[stable echo]

The FoW and random dungeon aren’t that terrible, mainly annoying for me, but the br circle is so bad. The main reason I came back to the game was when the circle was removed and it’s returned

[neat breach]

Agreed, I can deal with those changes. This circle needs to be removed ASAP. In my opinion it completely kills the game. How can I boss fight for a quest if a circle spawns outside of the boss area? This has happened in the game more than once when I'm trying to achieve quest objectives.

[subtle heart]

can you no longer parry lich's slow orb

[stable echo]

When the circle was last in the game my friends and I had plenty of situations where we spawn in opposite side of the zone and have to spend the entire raid catching up to zone and usually run into a team who traps us into zone and we lose to spawn rng. The only positive of this zone is it seems to move a bit slower and less likely to screw you over instantly on spawn

[urban quiver]

Youre a meany pants

But it was beautiful

[hushed patrol]

When wipe

[subtle heart]

Not sure!!!

[neat breach]

Well done XD but yeah, you're mean.

[flat escarp]

Which room module is the cave troll in now that goblin caves is random?

[cinder sphinx]

the one hes in

[clear pendant]

How do you guys farm gold ore now?

[echo sparrow]

you kill the bosses in goblin caves, and then you mine the gold

[clear pendant]

So you have to kill both? With fog and random map

[echo sparrow]

you dont have to kill them my bad, they just have to be dead

[clear pendant]

So grimmies will cost a lot more this wipe

[echo sparrow]

im not an economist

[steel juniper]

Maybe at the start of wipe but not a lot of reasons for it to stay up in price

[flat escarp]

What’s it called

[echo sparrow]

i just dont think its that hard to find the bosses even with the random personally

especially in gobbos of all maps

[steel juniper]

Yeah I was thinking the same

[echo sparrow]

and couple that with people in squire gear kill it in a minute

[cinder sphinx]

goblin town

[flat escarp]

Thank you

[icy bolt]

Can't wait for pve so I don't have to play with this poopy doo doo community. 🗣️💯

[prime crypt]

Goblin town B specifically

[frigid violet]

TOP TIER SUGGESTION - make it so that if you have the key to the treasury, the treasury itself is highlighted on the map, it's just impossible to find where to use the key with the skull, no chance

[outer grail]

yea okay I dunno what to say then xD

[leaden peak]

yea have to solo hr they drag me down

[somber lark]

making raids longer than 15 mins would be cool too. just saying...

would make it up for serching things and what not

[merry tiger]

soooooooooo are they gonna nerf panther orrrrr is "balanced"

[short vine]

Does Highroller wyvern have the same phases as the regular cyvern?

wyvern

[shell valley]

is dark and darker working for you guys? game fails to connect for me

just stuck on the connecting screen when I launch dark and darker

[lime verge]

What time is the wipe this week in central time zone

[solemn flicker]

are people playiongg trios?

[inner token]

anyone knows what was in the 100mb update on steam?

[steel juniper]

Yes

It quite literally is your own dungeon if you select no fill

[frigid violet]

Are you also afraid of the blue centaur from the high roller😅

[smoky tendon]

Who isn’t??!

[turbid bluff]

same here

[frigid violet]

XD

[grizzled comet]

lmao

[frosty snow]

any optional arachnophobia mode finally pls>? im asking regular ysince 2023

[peak shore]

wipe is so soon i cant wait !!!!!

[languid cloak]

Why can’t you just wipe the game already @zinc sparrow Like everyone wants it RN

[brisk shuttle]

when we gettin necromancer class? like this or next wipe please @zinc sparrow

[stray mica]

Yo can someone pls slide a named im Biggytity in trade

[hasty ice]

Just remove them from the game

[stray mica]

^^

[haughty otter]

Did they fix everything and add anything new and exciting

[hasty ice]

You know who else wants it right now....

To easy....

O god not again

[languid cloak]

👁️🫦👁️

[hasty ice]

[languid cloak]

mY MoM

[hasty ice]

[languid cloak]

🥀🥀

[hasty ice]

🧬 🧎🏼‍♀️

[shell valley]

whats going on with DnD? just keep getting stuck on connecting screen?

[gilded minnow]

verify files

[stray mica]

someone slide me a named Biggytity in tradepost

[hasty ice]

Ill shlide you a NaMe

Brandon the begger

[stray mica]

okok thank u sm

[smoky tendon]

It’s so stupid I can’t transfer from blacksmith to steam their launcher is so ass and takes so long to update ima be mad late to the wipe

[hasty ice]

So will ironmace

[hearty lava]

you can though

[merry remnant]

Game is slowly dying

[stray mica]

ya think?

[hasty ice]

Monk shall "break the final seal"

[stray mica]

been on a downward spiral for months

[hearty lava]

i get the same thing ty letting the loading bar fill before clicking ok

[stray mica]

@zinc sparrow why make goblin caves, the ONLY RELIABLE MAP for bosses and PvP randomized. No one wanted it.

[merry remnant]

yes

[hasty ice]

[hearty lava]

they keep putting bandaids on bullet holes, that's why. Basically listened to the wrong people and now the game is on a downhill trajectory.

[hasty ice]

How could you have known what they were before removing the tape

W breaking bad

[rapid arrow]

I feel like you have to be a very regarded dev to take away arena 3 days before wipe

[hasty ice]

Oooo he's saying restarted

[merry remnant]

The developers can see the game is dying,so why are they killing it off instead of doing what the community is asking for?

[hasty ice]

ego

[merry remnant]

Yeah,its bad,i really enjoyed the game before all of this shit happend

[hasty ice]

Warlock, sorc, druid being released you mean

[merry remnant]

I mean latest patches,random maps,rebalance etc.

Its just meh now

[clear pendant]

Maybe ppl dont play because wipe is in 2 days?

[timid wave]

why im i unranked in duo hr yet i still have 17k ap on the leader board
i was exemplar 2 now im unranked

[hasty ice]

Sdf says

Slidher?

Of course I know her i see her every thursday

[merry remnant]

Yeah bro,for sure

[hasty ice]

.50 - 1.0

[outer grail]

solo hr sweaty asf. much funner playing trios and duos

[leaden peak]

exactly

[hard rock]

Why is the game going downhill?

[merry remnant]

Devs are killing it with bullshit updates,thats why

I wanna play old darker so fucking badly

[clear pendant]

What update you think is bad? Which change u hate

[hasty ice]

🌹 👓

Listen alot of good but yea my #1 complaint is balance always will be just yell into the void and then re que

[hard rock]

Yeah how so

[merry remnant]

Random gen maps are bad,shitty balance,fucked economy

[clear pendant]

So you just dont like gen maps, balancing is better than never and the economy is the same

[hasty ice]

Economy this wipe was a l

[hasty ice]

[left crater]

"not enough people are bossing! they just stay in 24's! LETS MAKE BOSSING HARDER WITH REQUIRED SUMMON CRAFTS! THATLL TEACH THEM!"

[hasty ice]

Do a boss that does large chunks of your hp with windlass Rangers running around all wipe

[vague widget]

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[merry remnant]

Problem #1 in my opinion is map,yeah,its fucking enormous,less loot,more enemies,at this point it is just enemy spam with a little amount of chests and loot,fucking fog of war,just aaugh wtf

[vague widget]

@white jolt

remember me?

[clear pendant]

Then you should know that they are buffing map loot and they already halved mobs in some inferno rooms

[vague widget]

discord and DnD wouldn't do anything about this kid harrassing me so here it is

[brisk urchin]

lmao harrassing

[smoky tendon]

how

[hasty ice]

I mean now your gonna get banned

[merry remnant]

I didn't notice that

[hasty ice]

You seem stable and reasonable do you brother

[clear pendant]

I also hate high mob density because i mostly like pvp, but you know that mobs are getting up to +400% damage from some magic now?

I think they are doing good changes, now a sorcerer or cleric really destroy inferno mobs

[spare birch]

when did they make that change?

[proud marsh]

Mobs are fine at the moment what are these guys saying

[lyric quail]

im guessing arena is still turned off?

[clear pendant]

20th march, theres in reddit more info

[upbeat crest]

arena still gone? dont even want to log in if it is

[wanton tartan]

when is whipe?

[past compass]

yeah

[upbeat crest]

10th

[wanton tartan]

ty

[upbeat crest]

anyone played shadow of chroma tower? identical to dnd but more pixelated

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2713380/Shadows_of_Chroma_Tower/

[rare venture]

"Identical" is a biiiig stretch

[outer grail]

April 10th

[hearty wadi]

im after getting back into dark and darker why is there a ''fog of war'' going any way to remove that from the mini map or do i have to cope ?

[unreal snow]

17 38

[plush pike]

cope

[hearty wadi]

miss the old days

[long radish]

when is this pve update im hearing about??

[worthy surge]

10th

[long radish]

exciting

getting my friends into it

[worthy surge]

Honestly havent played since beta randomly got an urge to play again and saw that wipe is soon

[hearty wadi]

wonder if they allow modding to remove the map fog just a thought i had

[livid minnow]

Quelqun parle français ici?!👀

[leaden peak]

bruh when druid nerf i love getting 1 tapped

[vivid goblet]

Is there a reason I'm not getting any AP or is it just bugged

[wispy lichen]

I just looted someones cinder i think they died to PvE

😭

[wanton valley]

The first 13 persons 🏆to Send me a friend request will get a 6 men slip to win $30k tonight. Let's eat tonight ✅✅
@everyone

[limpid sleet]

thats what im wondering. i just played and got 0 AP

didnt even show the after action screen to see where i got any AP. just straight to the lobby lol

[hushed cairn]

are people not playing because wipe is soon ?

[viral hull]

im trying to find people to play with but not many on

[limpid sleet]

yeah probably. i just hopped on after 2-3 months and AP isnt working -_-

[trim fox]

then wait 2 days for wipe

[trim fox]

leaderboard already ended, wipe in 2 days, it isnt supposed to work

[limpid sleet]

lame

[trim fox]

no u

[west slate]

That’s Called cheating

[cloud spoke]

where can i find ale?

[upper jungle]

Ya un channel pour le Fr id:customize

[unreal mica]

CAN WE

[barren sphinx]

Bis giveaway ---> Guildleader_ on ttv DB, VIOLA, 500K

[stable meteor]

good deduction

[gleaming adder]

Non-HR Lobby Gear Limitations: Only three pieces of crafted/gemmed/AH gear

The rest of the gear must be personally looted gear that is older than 24 hours but not older than 72 hours. The other way to divide the loot types is based on how many extractions ago they were looted, allowing players to not have to constantly return to the game. This helps prevent high min maxing from hoards of stashed gear.

Problems Solved:

-Prevents high min-maxing which should only be done in HR.

-Promotes an RPG element, rather than AH simulator. I want to wear gear that I bring out, not just sell it and get better gear.

-More play time, less AH.

-Entices people to play higher GS lobbies because the risk of losing lots of valuable min maxed gear is less. Less risk, higher reward.

[livid minnow]

Merciiiiiiiiii☺️

[unreal mica]

give merchants named weapons last day event

[dim burrow]

AP isnt bugged, High roller season is closed, so there is no more AP gain for this season.

[worldly radish]

It's showing i dont have demigod anymore?? is this a bug??

[analog mountain]

when is wipe

[gilded minnow]

all these new hell tiles are messed up yo i know nothing about this shit xd

[misty belfry]

Pls give us back old gobby caves for normals

[sudden shuttle]

Goblin caves is fked not to mention the cheaters.

[cosmic swan]

No it's normal, the season ended a few day ago. You'll get the reward after the Wipe

[cosmic swan]

April 10th

[misty belfry]

I get it for HR but for normals there shouldn't be fog of war/random modules