game-discussion

[atomic crag]

When the game gonna update

[subtle heart]

or a caster with ping atack. like sorcerer lightning

[regal light]

"druid will always lose the 1v1" LMAO

[plush quarry]

surly we get a sorc skill

[rain skiff]

^

[subtle heart]

considering skill and gear same level yes.

[still cypress]

that's wrong because I saw thelorr (who is a very good player) in near bis fight a druid in piss, and the druid almost won because it's a busted class

[marble nexus]

when they say original do they mean before this wipe or when reds would spawn

[regal light]

unless a caster/squishy is significantly better than the panther, they're just joing to get ran down by the druid

[silver smelt]

I wonder if Spells in this sentence meant skills.
The upcoming patch will include random dungeons for Goblins and Ruins, along with new Perks and Spells for Sorcerers, marking the completion of Sorcerer development.

[regal light]

they did use "stream sniffing", so def could be skills lmao

[cinder dust]

hype honestly

[plush quarry]

hopefully

[lament helm]

We’ll see I didn’t explain this part. Remove Fing True damage. It’s not needed. Reduce scaling on top end by a large sum. And that goes for all classes. There’s 0 place for true damage with this games spaghetti code. Also why tf is +All back. Remove all of it. Let the armor and weapons express themselves. Not jewelry and boots and gloves and head pieces carry armor sets.

[tidal tapir]

No if it was an engineering project i could tell you mathematically what does and doesn't work

[junior lynx]

2 weeks later still cant login into game via blacksmith... Great

[teal jetty]

reduce PRICE OF COIN CHEST its no sence to use many character for store 100k in bank. invest 90k for 10k gold chest its stupid. you need to allow craft for this chest for cheap. 10k MAXImum

[subtle heart]

You are not considereing classes weakness. There is classes that are weaker than others. Ranger is one that is what thelorr with i think is really a good player play mostly.
The only build ranger will destroy a druid is the long bow shotgun.
it is impossible a beat that with a druid. Considering things i did say

[copper chasm]

Does anyone know when the season ends?

[still cypress]

you are assuming things in an attempt to benefit your own argument lol! too bad it does not work 😄
anyway he was playing a barbarian with quarterstaff, with rage and savage roar

[regal light]

I think you misread him

[cinder dust]

i love thelorr hes my favourite content creator for DaD,W press

[trim horizon]

I like thelorr too, but party chip is my GOAT

[alpine lion]

I usually don't make comments on how things should be for the game, but uh.... Demonlock with +15 all atts is balanced and should DEFINITELY be in the game....

[cinder dust]

i like chip too,i liked the trios with y4mi,chip,and thelorr truly cinema xd

[trim horizon]

I wanna see chip, thelorr, and Vincent trio together

[silver smelt]

I wish our lord and savior @zinc sparrow could tell us if SDF meant Skills, but he is probably forbidden from giving any information.

[teal jetty]

if we spawn late and go in crypt any exit left?

[harsh wren]

game is dead, only have warlocks and druids farming s.a dead servers

[copper pine]

w press

[subtle heart]

he sucked with barb toons. even pete sayed. thelorr is good with squish class like rogue / ranger

[teal jetty]

in eu game is totaly not dead many pl everywhere

[cobalt sonnet]

i’m a returning player after a 6 month hiatus I can’t decide what class to stick with right now i’m maining warlock but sorc is intriguing and i used to be a wiz main but wiz seems to get deleted the most

[limber torrent]

Bosses should be removed from normals to prevent mass no risk farming for gold and loot. Any objections?

[copper pine]

i object

[cinder dust]

l take

[snow wharf]

not removed but they shouldnt drop valuables like troll pelts or spectral fabric

[regal light]

maybe just the special drops like pelt/rags, but even then that would be BRUTAL for the gold storage economy

[limber torrent]

Okay that's valid

[light oasis]

Oh god you’re back again, nobody is farming normal mode bosses for mass gold, Jesus Christ.

[cinder dust]

especially not currently i can farm 2 spider silk and its more than a troll pelt lmao

[regal light]

no definitely not, who would double boss in <25 for gold...

[limber torrent]

Jesus Christ, do you live here or something?

[cinder dust]

tho the gold afterwards is insane ngl

[light oasis]

You’re already back in here, pot calling the kettle back.

[limber torrent]

Most common way to farm easy gold. And it's being giga abused

[cinder dust]

gold ore is currently 200 each,i could just farm spiders xd

[light oasis]

You could just do a HR boss or kill a player and get 10x that amount.

[limber torrent]

not ore, but the ingots

[limber torrent]

But there is risk, nobody like risks when it comes to farming

[cinder dust]

depends on the mood somtimes i just wanna brain off put on youtube and bonk spooders,somtimes i wanna hunt people for kits

[regal light]

normal caves farming is 0 investment for an easy 2-3k gold per run, more if you get a solid drop

[cobalt siren]

sounds like a miserable farm

[cinder dust]

and 10x more if u get a gk from 1 or 2 champs

[limber torrent]

Exactly. Shit is so easy.

[light oasis]

Considering the price of a named or one mediocre item it’s nothing. The reason that people like Mungo think 2-3k is a lot is because they don’t know what actual high gold worth is.

[cinder dust]

yeah stuff like gold chests and named are mental value xd

[snow wharf]

and the feeling when you pull a named its crazyyyy

[regal light]

farming HR certainly can get more cash, but the risk is higher especially with the unfun time that the pvp there is rn

[cobalt siren]

sounds like shitter problems

[tawny coral]

Ingots are like 660 a piece, it takes 3 ore to craft an ingot goomba

[limber torrent]

pretty good for a farming method that requires 0 thought or effort

[light oasis]

Yeah but if it takes me 100 runs for 20 sk, that’s way more than zero effort normal farming. There’s a difference between people who actually make money.

[tawny coral]

Okay well killing both gob caves bosses and not getting third partied is not easy

[limber torrent]

Plus you could get troll pelt and a named

[light oasis]

Uh what? You can’t get named in normals…

[snow wharf]

does troll have any named in his pool in hr, i dont think so

[limber torrent]

There's no risk so it doesn't matter

[tawny coral]

okay and? It’s such a low chance that it takes way too much time to actually rather than doing high roller crypts for named. Like bruh

[light oasis]

See this is what I’m talking about, a skull key is usually 50k, you get the worst unique and it’s 200k. That’s such a leap from 2k per run farming ore and with people doing the same thing you get contested.

[limber torrent]

Again, no risk investment, there are way more people farming normal bosses then HR because you literally lose NOTHING.

[light oasis]

Yeah you don’t risk anything to make dirt money lmao.

[tawny coral]

You don’t even get that much gold or loot from norms bosses, squire bossing is pretty much just a way to learn it

[limber torrent]

You may get less gold, but you lose nothing if you die, it's a more stable and low risk way of getting gold. Simple stuff

[light oasis]

How is that abusing when I can just farm a HR boss for 200k min Lmaooo.

[brittle notch]

hi dear @zinc sparrow can u hype me about quiever finally after years of waiting as main ranger?

[tawny coral]

ok yeah so why bother removing it, it’s slow, no risk, but it only gives a little amount of gold, seems like an easy way for new players to make a little cash, how on earth is it abusing

[light oasis]

It’s almost like it’s proportional.

[limber torrent]

That's the thing, new players can't learn it because it's constantly being farmed by gold farmers and experienced players. It's nothing but a quick cash method for the experienced

[light oasis]

Okay neat, so let’s remove any reward and give the F2P nothing. Let’s give no value into actually doing the bosses.

[cerulean crypt]

There is exactly 1 way to protect new players and it's virtually impossible to achieve

So it's honestly not even worth aiming for. Just accept the game will always be a niche title.

[tawny coral]

Bro it’s not quick cash 🤣
15 minutes for like 1.5-2k, assuming gold prices stay the same, and you don’t die to lag, desync, a better player, or any other myriad reason, it is not fast

[light oasis]

And you’re required to do both bosses or get lucky with a drop.

[copper pine]

that's put simply just the way the learning curve is ,pvp is half the game so they should learn it at the same pace as bosses

[light oasis]

Have you beat troll before? You realize all you need to do is rotate in one direction. And crouch sometimes.

These aren’t Herculean tasks to beat.

[limber torrent]

Yes? That's kind of the point I've been making. It's so easy to get money from bossing

[regal light]

that's def the best way to make money if you're good enough!

[copper pine]

so easy to get pennies u mean, as it should be?

[light oasis]

And it’s nothing, I piss out 20sk on kits lmao. I don’t give a fuck about 2k.

[red kindle]

Timmies farming gc bosses in sub 25 lobbies to get maybe a troll pelt or maybe 3 gold ingots tops, all for money they'll never use because they'll keep playing sub 25s permanently

[light oasis]

And it’s nothing money, literally nothing money.

We’re talking about removing bosses from normals so people can’t get easy gold. It’s crazy. It’s nothing gold.

[wind venture]

I love using an invis pot, only to get directly hit by a barb who knew my perfect location.

[copper pine]

skill issue

[red kindle]

Actual pennies. Even before market crash you could make more money farming the spiders for silk or killing centipedes for all att jewelry. Timmies don't know how to make money, and even if they did they wouldn't know what to do with it.

[marsh adder]

skill issue

[wind venture]

@copper pineSkill issue of not having hacks on yeah,

[subtle heart]

what u guys think of backstep + spear from ranger ?

[ember pond]

I want a modern day dark and darker, but with the same combat mechanics and stuff

[marsh adder]

before market crash troll pelt was like 1 gold key it wasn't pennies bruh

[copper pine]

its a bard bro they can smell you out with that flute

flutes basically a Jewish nose on stand by (dont quote me)

[limber torrent]

that's insane

[wind venture]

@copper pinebarb, not bard. He full W me and hit me headshot when I went invis pot. (And was far enough away so he couldn't hear it.)
I really need to use hacks as well, I mean half the game is crawling with it. :/

[subtle heart]

would be great in a 32 lobby player, with some actual castles and more stuff that make sense. Not 100 chests in every place.

[red kindle]

What's a Timothy gonna do with a gold key. They only play sub 25s. They'll maybe buy gold storage to flex money they won't ever spend lol.

[copper pine]

srry meant bard sound issue or skill issue pick ur poison

[snow wharf]

l take, bc someone is cheating you will cheat too?

[subtle heart]

sometimes is just a lucky guess. There is not that manny hacks. Still there is some people who use it.
The worst thing i see is when u enter a fresh lobby u can just exit. see where people is, and reenter.

Need to be a update that u cant enter same lobby again.

[copper pine]

cowardice reward goes to that statement

[wind venture]

equalize the playing field lol There are people that are known to be hacking, reported by streamers, and haveb't been banned after half a year.

[marsh adder]

I mean I guess but there isn't really an issue with not doing anything with it.

[copper pine]

play Fortnite then

[wind venture]

eww

[copper pine]

my point exactly

[wind venture]

That's... not a point at all but ok

[vast saffron]

no, there is an isssue. it'd add to the game genuinely having a viable loot room, it should have a purpose

[copper pine]

L press

[wind venture]

You're making L comments.

[marsh adder]

I am talking about people having a gold key and doing nothing with it not the use of the gold key

[summer mist]

Is it possible to get uniques on hr cyclops or pile?

[wind venture]

@summer mistuniques in piles yes. no named tho. They should bring that back.

[marsh adder]

I do agree but they would need to fix gold storage before they can do that.

[ember pond]

The chests are silly. I feel like no one opens them to begin with. As far as maps, I think an abandoned subway station would be neat. Or maybe like Chernobyl, or maybe a giant mall, or underground science lab

[summer mist]

How do you get named?

[copper pine]

getting hacked on 1/100 games sounds like viable odds to me,go play csgo for a month and see how good you have it on dnd

[marsh adder]

Kill lich ghost king or warlord in high roller.

[wind venture]

@summer mistBossing only. Or skull keys.

[light oasis]

You can also kill both GC bosses.

[summer mist]

So I can farm for named on cyclops?

[wind venture]

@summer mistwhen both bosses are dead, the middle treasure room opens. but you got like a 0.5% chance or something

[summer mist]

Unfortunately being new and trying to learn the other bosses feels imposisble with the random generates

[vast saffron]

oh i see my b, yea i hate sitting on keys, I think we're on the same side here

[ember pond]

Boss room should spawn another boss if another team enters. GK maybe pulls in warlord or lich. Maybe lich pulls in banshee or troll. Etc etc

[wind venture]

@summer mistImpossible to learn, almost impossible to do duo 3th-4th party.

[summer mist]

Yikes, so I gotta go inferno

[marsh adder]

No I just checked the wiki and artifacts are unobtainable from gc bosses.

[wind venture]

Because of the random bosses, named will be even more expensive.. And they are already at a price that 95% of the player base can't touch or use them.

[summer mist]

rip

[copper pine]

15min to extract would have to change then no?

[light oasis]

Wiki shouldn’t be your source of information, and you can table pull named items.

[dense pawn]

Praise the silver sun! Finally no more legally induced fog of war. Looking forward to seeing more coms from the team.

[marsh adder]

Yeah shit is mad annoying but sadly we have to do that because it would cost like 3 million gold to store 1 skull key worth of gold.

[marsh adder]

No you can't and if you can no one has ever got an artifact ever from either gc bosses or a table I have more evidence to back my claim then yours.

[light oasis]

Sure, I have a video of it lol.

[marsh adder]

Send it to me in dms then.

[cinder dust]

ratioed in real time

[light oasis]

Sounds good, give me a second.

[marsh adder]

Ok

[ionic needle]

You think the new water map will be like goblin caves with only one level

Or do you think we might have a 2nd level where youll be in the "Deep" where the themeing is deepest part of the ocean devoid of light and alien like monsters

[vast saffron]

W graysun communicating with the people, keep it up. Fair is fair, I'll call out the good & bad, I just want the game good again

[wind venture]

They reallt need to make named weapons cheaper somehow.

[snow wharf]

that would be crazzy, i hope it have more levels

[broken tangle]

i can recall atleast one occurance where grayson maybe answered me on something but maybe i misrember it
best ceo

[marsh adder]

I was thinking it would be called like the "Abyss" or something. The "Deep" is also good

[ionic needle]

I always thought they had plans for one in goblin caves with that WIP of a lava monster that never made it into the game. Like "The Fire Caverns"

[ionic needle]

Thought of that too tho we have an ice abyss

[marsh adder]

Yeah true.

[marsh adder]

I just hope there is some kind of kraken boss or megalodon boss.

[snow wharf]

i love the new cont dungeon system, but i think they should do like when you are in a module you unlock 100% of it, or smth like that, bc if its added with the new map we are cooked

[ionic needle]

Buut..Most importantly I do hope they find a way to fix up the problem of joining late games. I prefer joining my matches at max time and without worrying about the same person ive killed coming for me

[snow wharf]

factssss

[marsh adder]

Yeah agreed I really don't like CMM

[mighty aurora]

They better find a solution for HR specifically, AND one for normals, since I think extraction means 2 completely different things depending on which one you are playing

[vast saffron]

yea I think it should be slightly easier in normals for sure, harder in HR

inferno is hard enough already tho

[subtle heart]

the game should be like a singleplayer game with the lobby stuff that people enters and all.
There is plenty of people who open cause when you retrieve an item yourself it have your name on it.

On arena you recover all itens with your name on it.

[red sun]

If the druid nerf isn't coming next patch, then sdf deserves to go to jail

[snow wharf]

leave my druid plss D:::

[west dome]

Trying to find GK when you spawn in sub 9 minutes is a pain. Prevent joining after 5 mins or so has passed.

[ionic needle]

Exactly I could only imagine how frustrating it is to have uber gear only to be hunted like a dog for it. It defeats the purpose to one problem of the old tavern where people would inspect gear and then hunt you

[marsh adder]

Just delete druid for solos at this point.

[neat urchin]

Nah dawg LS parry needs the nerf. Grey LS 2 shots EVERYTHING.

[subtle heart]

Also there is plenty of pve players. just do bosses and dungeon.
@red sun there will be a buff on druid. He will receive 5 new forms. and shifter slow 2. Is on the interview sdf sayed.
They will take out human if use all forms

[mighty aurora]

They need to make inferno overall harder but easier to extract and not impossible if you load in late, since thats a horrible mechanic if they want to bring back the wait times between floors (45 minutes for an IMPOSSIBLE extraction should be criminal)

[wind venture]

@mighty auroraLoad in late, at an annoying spot, with no extracts near by. Only thing you can do is kill, search, and nothng else

[marsh adder]

Yeah the parry damage needs a nerf but they need to buff the swing speed the base damage and fix the hitboxes also it's really not that hard to evade a parry. (unless you are using bardiche)

[ionic needle]

I dont mind inferno and the extra levels I like that your risking alot for better gear. The monsters are manageable with friends. Especially when its easier to practice bosses like warlord and lich being on crypt]s

But I wish they would make the spawns better seeing as you get jumped by a dog or centaur sometimes

[red sun]

Totally agree on Longsword nerf aswell brother! it's been on for way too long

[ionic needle]

Honestly I love ruins with how its set up. Im annoyed with Random rooms but Ill get used to it. I do wish they would expand the old maps we have to its level with some new bosses there too

[west dome]

As long as it’s one at a time they aren’t hard to fight. The issue is when 3-4 mobs aggro and half of them are nightmares

[subtle heart]

i disagree parry is good as it is. It will counter bad players who just swing. it will make fighter good vs all druid forms and also the action speed can be greater if fighter take the perk for it.
So no, right now parry is ok. Dont need to change it.

[wind venture]

@neat urchineven a worc/warlock parry can bring even a barb 2/3th down. with 0 str or phys power

[marsh adder]

sure but for solos it's awful they need to decrease mob density and increase it based on if you are playing solos, duos or trios.

[mighty aurora]

Oh there should absolutely be risk, if anything I think Inferno is too easy since its way too cheesable and you can clear 1/2 of the map of mobs and extract fine, but again that should only happen if leaving was more guaranteed as long as you can clear 1-2 modules

[rigid delta]

when is this season actually going to start and go live and let us see rewards

[neat urchin]

Its wild that every class that COULD use LS does almost every game and the devs are fine with it

[marsh adder]

yeah because it's better for clearing mobs

[wind venture]

@neat urchinand they say 'skill issue, you don't hit the sword. When 1 parry, especially against a fighter that needs like 5+ hits. Means deaths

[light oasis]

Sent.

[neat urchin]

I've been 2 tapped in sub 24 as a barb by a 11 str warlock parry.. Shit is obviously overturned

[ionic needle]

I do hope they add a new floor to goblins because I feel as if it needs the same love as ice and Ruins has gotten. Again im hoping my fantasy of a volcanic cavern map is true. hoping to see more fire based demons other than blood demons in inferno

THo I love the idea of fish people and the frightening feeling of being underwater in the new water map.I think they nailed the vibe with how sickening it looks to be surrounded by water with the leaks

[light oasis]

Yeah and after sending him the video he’s telling me he didn’t say you couldn’t table pull…People just can’t admit they’re wrong ever lmao.

[white lance]

The parry should not be able to be held indefinitely like other first person slashers. should be a timed thing. kinda silly seeing a high sensitivity mouse wiggle at the speed of light while holding parry, fishing for it.

[marsh adder]

Brother you said "table" not the middle room of gc

[marsh adder]

Yes exactly what I said TABLE I SAID TABLE oh my lord please just read what I said.

[light oasis]

We’re talking about GC wtf other table would I be talking about it’s the giant one in the center of the room where all the items spawn.

[marsh adder]

I am literally going in game right now and about to go to the tables and send the screenshots weapons will spawn on them so that's what I thought you where saying

[mighty aurora]

Goblin caves second layer should technically be a 2x2 from the map perspective but the modules are so massive that they are basically themed 2x2 modules, so basically 4x4 but with heavily themed/vertical massive modules

[marsh adder]

Please aknowledge the fact that you said table and the middle room artifact spawn IS NOT A TABLE.

[wind venture]

Kinda a table, a box table/cage.

[cinder dust]

ye litteraly evryone calls it GC table

[light oasis]

Like bruh…

[marsh adder]

I have never ever heard that in my life

Dawg I have admitted I am wrong a multitude of times on this server I really don't care if I am wrong in a arguement with someone online you can literally check my msg history.

[light oasis]

But here you are admitting you’re not wrong…

[marsh adder]

Bro I am admitting IT WAS A MIS UNDERSTANDING holy fuck I am getting heated.

[languid plume]

https://goblin.guide/
this uses the old lobby target dummies, but you can set your target to whatever resistances you want, including selecting monsters in game

[light oasis]

“I have more evidence to back my claim then yours.”

Is proven wrong, claims he’s not, and gets heated lmao.

[inland cipher]

Is game still toxic af? I havent played and I come to check every once in a while to see if its better....

[grim zinc]

Lots of meta convos of people arguing. Where is the game discussion? 😮

[neat urchin]

Ya never admit that to internet strangers, ya silly dingus.

[marsh adder]

The rage baiters are going to show up now

[neat urchin]

I mean, you admitted and showed you are easily trolled.

[marsh adder]

As I said no tables can spawn artifacts and that is true the middle thing is not a table

[inland cipher]

If people are arguing like this then I'm going to assume the game still toxic af lol.

[marsh adder]

No that's just the internet not just this game.

[marsh adder]

Hes not trolling he spent like 30 minutes trying to find a video to "prove me wrong"

[neat urchin]

Alrighty 🙂

[light oasis]

The semantics are crazy when I’m talking about defeating both bosses and picking up from the table. When 3 other people just inside the chat also call it the table. Your lack of knowledge is not on anybody else.

[marsh adder]

Because he just said GC bosses and I have never heard of a "table" in middle room

[marsh adder]

How we where talking about how you could get artifacts in GC and he brought up tables so I assumed he was talking about tables

I literally never farm gc bosses ever

[neat urchin]

Certified dingus.

[marsh adder]

It's not "first grade critical thinking" it's game knowledge. Which I lack considering I started playing last wipe

[teal jetty]

crypt or hell is same lobby of ruin?

[marsh adder]

I couldn't have expected you to be a rage baiter.

[dusky marsh]

just remove that thing from warlock/sorcerer and the game will be better.

[marsh adder]

Because AS I SAID it was a MISUNDERSTANDING.

[neat urchin]

Just calling like I'm seeing it. 🙂 and friend, I'm not the only one here seeing it 🙂

[inland cipher]

Hope no one takes offence but are the people arguing here all the time unemployed or you all do this for a living? I'm actually intrigued.

[marsh adder]

Yes because I searched the wiki FOR EVIDENCE and I couldn't find anything about finding artifacts IN GOBLIN CAVES.

[neat urchin]

Nah Im working and have a customer on hold while I enjoy this discord 🙂

[marsh adder]

I don't lack knowledge about the game I lack knowledge about goblin caves.

[inland cipher]

work from home sounds nice man. Is it decent money? I been looking into working from home more since im married now

[neat urchin]

It's lovely.

[marsh adder]

Like literally read my msg and you can see I said that I searched the wiki for info and found nothing.

[light oasis]

Half the shit on the wiki is regularly wrong. Take smite for example, it procs faith, does the wiki say smite is divine damage, no.

I also told you this in my reply.

[marsh adder]

I didn't know that. Most of the stuff I see on the wiki is true

So let me say this again it WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING. Okay I am just getting rage baited at this point so ima just dip

[light oasis]

You’re not getting rage baited, you’re still admitting to refuse you where straight up wrong.

[marsh adder]

Brother look up the definition of a misunderstanding bro please

[light oasis]

Say, I was wrong.

[marsh adder]

I was not wrong because I thought you where talking about THE LITERALL tables not the middle thing

[neat urchin]

Fucking lel

[hard rock]

Please stop trolling, thank you sir!

[marsh adder]

The tables I WAS TALKING ABOUT can't spawn artifacts jesus please please please please LEARN WHAT A MISUNDERSTANDING MEANS.

[neat urchin]

Say you were wrong. It wasnt misunderstood. You were wrong.

[marsh adder]

How tf am I supposed to know what the middle table was called WHEN I NEVER PLAY THE MAP. Look I literally sent you a screenshot in your dms I Fam done feeding this rage bait

[light oasis]

What table spawns loot when you kill both bosses, let’s critically think here.

[light oasis]

Yet you where so confident on being correct? Like what? You don’t play the map and you’re telling me they can’t spawn?

[marsh adder]

But you never said it was after you kill both bosses you just said both bosses what drugs are you on.

[marsh adder]

Again I looked at the wiki for info and found nothing.

And if you said "after both bosses" I would have instantly known what you where talking about.

[tight sierra]

how do you guys win from teamers, or people who use alt accounts to go past the gearscore?

[neat urchin]

That's the neat part.

[tender wolf]

The wiki is heavily misinformed, contains tons of outdated and incorrect info, and should not be utilized for understanding many in-depth features

[marsh adder]

Yeah and I didn't know that. Yet again a misunderstanding also trusting a bad source I guess

[tender wolf]

Just thought I’d inform you for future reference idc about the other stuff

[light oasis]

Brother what…I said both bosses in response to you naming the three inferno bosses. You said that’s not true, and I said yes it is it drops from the table. It can be inferred that what im talking about comes after the two bosses. But I’m sorry I assumed you had reading comprehension….

[marsh adder]

No yeah your good

[teal jetty]

mminimap on crypt dont show good things

[cinder dust]

gigachad

[marsh adder]

Do you notice how I said this hmm maybe it's because I TOUGHT YOU WHERE TALKING ABOUT THE DIRECT DROPS FROM THE BOSSES BUT THEN YOU SAID TABLE AND I THOUGHT YOU WHERE TALKING ABOUT THE THING I SENT YOU IN DMS.

[light oasis]

This guy is a ferret. Absolute hermit crab.

[teal jetty]

game time is too short oO

[neat urchin]

"I took wiki info as fact and got upset when someone disagreed with me. Then after learning the wiki was incorrect I refuse to take responsibility for my actions and hide behind the concept of it being a quirky misunderstanding that was outside of my control"

-Some dingus in this discord, probably.

[marsh adder]

How I am literally showing evidence that I simply was mis understanding what you are saying and now you are just attacking my character and that kinda just shows I won. so ima just take that

[cinder dust]

what if instead of dark and darker it was freak and freaker and instead of..................

[limber badge]

Yeah homie just needs to take the L like damn brother

[dim cape]

Is boss mob-agro just mega bugged or is it supposed to be bipolar? 😩

[marsh adder]

Yes because it's not my fault THAT THE WIKI WAS INCORECT.

[light oasis]

10 people at this point have told you you’re wrong. This isn’t an attack on your character. It should be an attack on your knowledge base if your name is @marsh adder

[restive edge]

Does Physical Power increase the Bleed Damage for Rogue?

[marsh adder]

Yes I was wrong IN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR AGRUEMENT BUT I WAS LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT TABLES NOT THE THING IN THE MIDDLE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LOOK AT IT THROUGH MY EYES NOT JUST YOURS.

[neat urchin]

The information you spread regardless of its origin IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY after saying it. Dingus.

[tender wolf]

Guys it’s a video game

[neat urchin]

We got em boooiiisss.

[marsh adder]

Yeah that's true but the main thing is that I was talking about tables. Not the middle thing

[limber torrent]

the rage bait is insane

[marsh adder]

Yet again I was talking about ACTUAL tables not what ever the middle thing is I was not wrong in my points I just thought he was talking about the LITERAL tables that can sometimes have weapons on them

[limber badge]

Just...let it go man.

[neat urchin]

We know.

[marsh adder]

Bro I would but it's pissing me off so hard that no one on the internet can just fucking look at shit through someone elses eyes.

[limber torrent]

Number 1 rule of the internet, don't give a shit about what anyone has to say

[limber badge]

To be honest it more feels like you're embarrassed you had wrong information and are defensive, it's really not that deep though. You're getting memed on because you won't drop it lmao

[marsh adder]

I usually don't but it's so agrovating saying the same thing 30 times and they just ignore my main and entire point

well it doesn't matter anyways

[light oasis]

Again it’s not rage bait when 10 people are telling him he’s wrong.

[marsh adder]

I am done even giving new points just read this ineyzard

[west steppe]

Does anyone know when wipe is?

[limber torrent]

Well he's making it into rage bait because he keeps getting more and more angry cuz he won't drop it lol. Like accidental rage bait

[whole pollen]

Anyone remember Otto?

[marsh adder]

No one knows the exact date but probably like 3 weeks

[limber badge]

We Otto remember him, always.

[west steppe]

Ok, thanks bro

[cinder dust]

[light oasis]

End of April beginning of may they’ve said.

[cinder dust]

i wish otta and the ferryman were still in the game when i started im new this season,got like 160 hrs

[marsh adder]

Where did they say that?

[cinder dust]

when are they randomising GC and ruins so i can hit PF before they do xd tbf only got 300 ap till pf anyways mightaswell just hop on and do the last 1 or 2 runs

[light oasis]

One of the QnA’s.

[marsh adder]

They haven't done it tho right?

[unborn adder]

24-124 needs higher drop rate this is bogus why even have a 24-124 when 0-24 have same drops lmao

[cinder dust]

i mean 124s also has the same droprate as 225s AFAIK

[light oasis]

I’m not sure where the direct link is but OnePeg is a pretty solid source for news. The QA link should be in his description.

[marsh adder]

Because the game is not a PVE game and the gear brackets are to make sure people don't just get stomped by people with really good gear.

[cinder dust]

ive heard onepeg reccomended before i gotta sub to that person now heard there name to many times

[light oasis]

Good news source, great guy.

[cinder dust]

ngl DaD has some great creators compared to other games,i didnt know poshyop was a DaD creator was subbed to him for deadlock xd

[light oasis]

Yeah he did DnD before he was one of the best clerics. Of his time at least.

[vocal gyro]

should i use quarterstaff double-axe or zwei as my primary (barbarian)

[light oasis]

You should check the barb chat someone will be able to help there more in detail.

[vocal gyro]

got it cuh

[cinder dust]

whos the current goat of cleric?

[light oasis]

Mr Exotic, or TheCatFishKidd.

[cinder dust]

tyty looking for cleric stuff

[marsh adder]

Solar bear is also pretty good

[cinder dust]

will check em all out :3 thonks peeps

[light oasis]

True so is Utoast. But they all stream, I like YouTube content more.

[marsh adder]

Fair enough.

[bleak sorrel]

when is next update, anyone know?

[gaunt compass]

Probs solar bear. Too bad he doesn’t play anymore bc high level gameplay is complete garbage these days

[stiff spire]

some1 wanna told me why i cant take this items from mission?

[boreal island]

if it says inventory is full its because they have a weird system to check for space, make more space free

[gaunt compass]

Not enough space. Make a lot of space like an 8x8

[stiff spire]

check dm

[stiff spire]

i dont have any items

[gaunt compass]

What about in your actual stash not player inventory?

[stiff spire]

ty guys yee i dont have space in stash ;]]

[iron acorn]

can we get a community pole for randomized modules and fog? IMO this shit makes the game worse

[stable echo]

i dont think the randomized maps are complete trash but the terrible FoW with it is so awful. the FoW discover range needs to be massively increased

[iron acorn]

idk i think they are both dirt features you find in trashy rogue lite games

[light oasis]

I think it makes bossing horrible, it’s either they’re random on the corners and you can barely find them unless you’re Esping, or they’re stagnant in the middle of the map and fought over.

[stable echo]

this has been what ive hated the most. trying to learn warlord for me has been hard because it takes forever to find the boss with it also being 50/50 if its lich

[gritty sapphire]

is this game going to mobile?

[inner sundial]

Nerf druid

[light oasis]

Already has

[dense goblet]

2 weeks from thursday

[charred veldt]

how bro knows

[long warren]

are we getting rewards for arena this season?

[gleaming grove]

that's a great question. Ping me too if someone responds

[random anchor]

is it normal to load in super slow to inferno, if its fked is it possible to restart w/o me completely exiting the match?

[vapid dagger]

Sdf needs to step down

[static juniper]

Agreed. I'm done if it's all going to be random. I don't even descend to crypts or inferno because it's a miserable experience. Ruins and goblin caves has at least just been fun to goof around on but if those are random that's a complete game ender for me and I'm uninstalling. It was trash enough that some people got a couple weeks at the start of wipe to get static inferno before they changed it. And now this? It's like they don't play the very game they run if they think that's going to be any bit enjoyable.

[charred veldt]

Same, they could VERY easily fix this without even removing the random dungeons

1. Only make High Roller random.
2. Double chances for boss drops in HR

I started playing this season and I am a souls-like player, the ONLY reason I learned spectral knight was because I could reset every 2 minutes I ended up dying over 170 times, if Ruins were random there is no way in hell I would have done that.

The only boss I haven't beaten is warlord not because it is extremely hard (mfer is a JOKE compared to spectral knight) but I don't have the patience to find the room in crypts just for it to be 50% lich

[static juniper]

I love these extraction / looter games but my god the people that run and make them drive me insane. I played Cycle Frontier, Deadzone, etc and they had such fun premises and designs right at the get go but the devs couldn't just chill for a second and instead of focusing on things like cheaters, they made horrible changes to the PVE or things like equipment stats, drop rates, etc. Why is it ever the goal of the designer to take away the fun from the consumer? The game is plenty hard enough for casuals, don't need to make it completely unplayable.

I have two new friends to the game this wipe and they hate crypts and inferno because it's so difficult to learn it when it's all a random mess. I was hoping to learn how to do skeleton warlord but I'm lucky to find boss room, much less have it be him.

[limber badge]

I hope you're excited for randomized ruins and goblin caves!!!

[charred veldt]

For context I tried 13 times warlord but the randomness killed it HARD for me, I have dodged every attack pattern at least twice but kept dying before second phase, compared to spectral knight (dagger up close) warlord is baby mode, but the grind to find it is INSUFFERABLE

[static juniper]

Nope I'm quitting the game! Lol

[hushed crane]

Is that new fashion style? RED players are instantly kill me and teammate

[calm nest]

yipee

[static juniper]

Is there a notification list I can be put on when they remove randomized dungeons?

[charred veldt]

Y'all know WORST part? they did not said they were getting rid of lobby snipping, so you would be in random goblin caves with a druid main knowing your position and you being unaware where the exits are

[static juniper]

High roller random is smart, lets you learn the modules and game in normals like you're supposed to be able to.

[gentle gyro]

Hard agree. I would consider myself a competent pve and pvper and win a lot of fights. The randomizations made the quests for specific tiles miserable (2 weeks at least for long bridge). I don't struggle to get around but I've been having the same issue with warlord and also have a lot of newer friends who struggle with fog. I get why fog was implemented, but it's kinda lame for other reasons

[zenith kiln]

fog of war is so trash in inferno its just stupid

[limber badge]

I firmly believe randomized modules are their answer to content drought

[silver smelt]

So when someone like @static juniper play Elden Ring they just refund the game instead of learning game mechanics?

[gentle gyro]

Yeah I like it as a gimmick for crypts but inferno doesnt need it imo

[static juniper]

Keep the open dungeons going so the team I just killed can run right back to me and kill me as I'm still healing but by all means make it random everywhere. Hell, if you're going to make it all random just unveil the map then at least. The fog is pointless and doesn't even make sense. Wouldn't I have a map of the dungeon I'm exploring if I'm an adventurer? Maybe not in every case?

[charred veldt]

Bro, I agree with them and I have died 180 times to spectral knight, I am not an easy quitter but +20 minute resets are insane when you end up dying in the first 30 seconds learning attack patterns

[static juniper]

Elden Ring is a stellar incredible game and I've beaten it twice. This game is nothing compared to Elden Ring and it's not even the same genre. You can be a brown noser all you want but accessibility is critical to the lifespan of a game.

[limber badge]

PREACH my GOODNESS
Especially considering playerbase has stagnated considerably

[static juniper]

If your game isn't accessible to new players and you don't have a strong monetization strategy to get money off of existing players, how the hell you going to keep the game going?

[fair monolith]

nerf sorc

[gusty sierra]

When is the wipe or where to check?

[zenith kiln]

and the inferno room which consist of 12 small 1x1 rooms is jsut lazy development

[charred veldt]

I'll go check if you said anything like this about any other class

[charred veldt]

... Bro you are a DRUID main

[blazing crown]

wow just fought a hacker NOIICEEE had 2 dots on dude he swapped to rat form. TOOK NO DMG LMAOOOOOOOOO full hp all fight

[silver smelt]

Should fighting a boss feel like a walk in the park?

[charred veldt]

I am not complaining that I died 180 times, read again.
I am saying t hat there was no way IN HELL I would have even tried that many if I didn't knew where the room was

[gentle gyro]

Bosses are hard enough to learn for experienced players, but randomization means longer wait times between bossing attempts, and I don't think that's good at all. The only issue I have with bosses is one many share. Third parties are so annoying for bosses and fog is a bandaid as less people might find you. I feel like crypts is the only fog map needed. And maybe both warlord and lich should spawn per round? Unless they do and I'm a goober, please lmk

[fair monolith]

druids strong and all, but name one aspect in which sorc is even close to balanced

[silver smelt]

So it's about randomized Dungeon?

[charred veldt]

Low strenght, you silence them, you can take everything else they are broken, however your class is also extremely strong (panther jump for gap closing and silencing)

[fair monolith]

strength on a caster class ??
how am i supposed to get close to said caster class

[warm berry]

crypts are ok, inferno are insane, probably the most unbalanced of all maps, i dont mind maps getting random, but inferno is a pain in the ass to explore, if you play a shit class on pve you will have a horrible experience.

if they review some rooms to at least we have space to play instead of tons of enemies together(all new rooms are horrible), when im exploring i just ignore some rooms if possible and search for the best rooms to clean

but where did you guys saw about those changes?

[charred veldt]

Yes, it's all about random dungeons. Only boss in the game I haven't killed is warlord, and it IS way easier than one I have killed before, but I am NOT grinding.

[gentle gyro]

Space their attacks and make them waste spells I do it all the time as it's part of taking space to approach them. Learn how to dodge and bait spells

[silver smelt]

With randomized Dungeon it will be sometimes easier to do the boss without 3rt party

[fair monolith]

windblast
vortex
lightning sphere
fire orb

not to mention their damage scaling is so bad that they i've gotten instakilled by fire arrows before

[charred veldt]

This is worthless unless you know HOW to do the boss and often times not they would let you kill it before jumping you

[cerulean crypt]

Which is easier to learn without 3rd parties.

[gentle gyro]

I sincerely agree. I'm talking about people trying to learn it and not even getting the chance with bad rng

[charred veldt]

Again, doesn't work like that when you died within the first 30 seconds of the boss fihgt

[cerulean crypt]

Why?

[charred veldt]

you don't get third partied within the first 30 seconds. and even with the third part it IS BETTER because you don't need to spend 12 minutes looking for the room In crypts you can rush through rooms at least, but the boss is RANDOM between lich and warlord

[cerulean crypt]

You absolutely do. Sometimes you don't even get 5 seconds with the boss.

[charred veldt]

and even if you do the reset would be at most 4 minutes to get back

[mortal salmon]

it is common for people to guard near the boss room and jump someone on boss

[silver smelt]

I mean if player is not gifted he can always make money killing 🕷️ for spider silk

If player wants to learn bosses just keep trying

[cerulean crypt]

And then get interrupted again

[barren pollen]

All the doors to the boss room need to lock when a solo/team enters the room, and the doors shouldn't open until they die or the boss dies

[charred veldt]

then go play south america? or second bracket low score? or spending 100 gold to get 2 staffs and try the high roller variant with squire kit, troll is very killable with squire kit in HR

[gentle gyro]

The scaling is exactly what they did with old wizard which was bonkers from what I heard and should not be the case. Agree there. However lightning sphere, fire orb, and vortex are all easily dodgeable. The only guaranteed damage you should be taking is wind blast as it's hit scan. I've mained and played against sorc. I really think you just need to learn baiting and spacing/dodging.

[teal jetty]

why sometimes my spell i release the R mouse button and spell dont shot???

[fair monolith]

all three are used when ur abt to be on them, and fireorb is most commonly used when ur already ontop of them. fireorb can do 100+ damage instantly

"no it can't" ive literally tested it

firearrow is also homing, lightning bolt is hitscan aswell and still does a insane amount of damage

[charred veldt]

also you are assuming that everyone that sees someone else doing boss will instantly go in, if they wanted the loot of the boss they'd wait for you to finish it, specially against warlord, ghost king or troll
I killed a guy in high roller because he interrupted me with ghostking, that mfer got sucked while I poked from afar, granted I died right after but his kit did not make it

[glacial lantern]

lol i think the devs dont read any of this; because if they did they would come understand that me and my friend group, don't enjoy playing this game anymore because the devs just do their own thing.

They were SO close to a great game and they dropped it; patch after patch, reviews getting worse and worse because they cant balance anything. RANDOMIZED modules WITH fog of war AND quests TIED to that RNG is diabolical. Inferno would be bearable if there were any outs! I like that Inferno is difficult, but I can't be spawning into an ongoing match that leaves me with reduced time to clear a RIDICULOUS amount of mobs in a couple modules that don't have outs!

You want people to explore Inferno and Crypts but tack dozens of mobs in EACH ROOM for us to spend minutes defeating or evading, and then make downs and outs HARDER TO FIND than they were when they just randomly spawned from the ground near the end of the ever-enclosing bugs/storm/circle...

but i know they dont read these so were crying to the wind

[silver smelt]

Also sorc best kiting class in the game. Can cast spells without book no me penalty. Has push/cc/slowing spells every 10seconds.

[charred veldt]

I am not literally saying "remove random dungeons" but "only make HR random" so that no one can complain.

"Oh but I get interrupted" go to high roller
"Oh but reset times are INSANE" go in normals
end of the story

[gentle gyro]

While I don't know fireorbs exact damage with gear, I'll take your word for it. Fire arrow is pretty easily dodgeable and lightning bolt no longer tracks through walls and got a major (half I believe) damage reduction. Obviously scaling is to be considered but most of this comes down to poor positioning.

[dense grove]

Y'all ready for more hf 69 style SDF VISION~

[barren pollen]

sdf did listen to everyone and even responded in the chat when the infomus patch #69 dropped, I think if enough people talk about the same problems he will eventually listen

[open hill]

is it ever going to wipe>?

[fair monolith]

bolt still does insane damage and slows you to the point where you can't go anywhere. windblast is also on a 12 second cooldown, so if i rush them after its gone, they just use vortex and then windblast me again

[charred veldt]

and even in high roller you get interrupted with people rushing through rooms, out of the 5 times I could fight ghost king after learning it (not dying by him) I got ganked 3 times

[gentle gyro]

I'm not arguing it's not difficult. But it feels like people think it's impossible.

[dusk dove]

Just found out if you go into the corner of the cyclops room with the yellow light the cyclops goes back into the center and considers it out of bounds. Love it, all his health came back and I just quit the run.

[silver smelt]

Devs really should remove all those hard things from normals and call this mode "place for noobs" or smt

[teal jetty]

why sometimes my spell i release the R mouse button and spell dont shot???

[charred veldt]

if they delete random dungeons from normals they can call it whatever, "Noob queue", "Poor's mode" or some sh!t, well considering that F2P players can only play it...

[graceful citrus]

Is it possible to see the unique mobs in normals like oozeling or slinkfoul, or do I have to play highroller to get them?

[mortal salmon]

all random dungeons is going be a nightmare next season with all the find this room quests

[charred veldt]

I am a bard main and this is not the worst if you can just run past the mobs and open the door with snake song, issue is that inferno is cancer because you can't even do that

[silver smelt]

The chance is really small

[cinder dust]

people acting like they werent new players at somepoint xd

[gentle gyro]

I mean yeah, but if they aren't running 4x cooldown time, they're also not able to instant cast. I do agree that it's hard to overcome blast and vortex with low cooldown though. Lightning bolt I still think playing cover is all you're missing as if they cast that point blank you should just be executing them.

[mortal salmon]

thats what im saying, tight ass hallways with scores of skellys lol

[graceful citrus]

Do you think its better to just run norms and die/escape to find them or is there a better chance to find them in high roller?

[charred veldt]

fax, I am extremely pissed about gob caves and ruins and I can solo the bossses there almost with no issues, but I KNOW I would have UNINSTALLED if they had been random when I was learning them

[cinder dust]

yeah i just dont like fog of war or the random stuff,makes doing certain quests such a pain in the ass xd

[charred veldt]

in fact I can clear the whole goblin caves map within the 15 minutes running around not killing a single goblin, I know every room. But it is incredibly stupid for new players

[covert stirrup]

@glad thunder take off silence from panther

[autumn wren]

I can see only the warlock class room, not the others class, is it normal ?

[charred veldt]

you chose that your class was warlock buddy look at your profile

[gentle gyro]

You can add the others to see them

[barren pollen]

they should just add a way to create private offline matches like tarkov or fortnite creative, that way you can learn the game without being interrupted by pvp hungry people

[silver smelt]

When I started playing I once entered inferno. I died to spiders in next 10 seconds.

Was I complaining? No
After months of playing other maps I entered inferno again, played it without problems and continued my journey.

[autumn wren]

Could you help me because i don t know how to add the others

[gentle gyro]

As long as the loot is either blue max maybe or can't be kept, yeah would be nice

[charred veldt]

I am not a new player anymore, however if I started playing now I would have uninstalled real quick

@autumn wren Go to the first channel id:customize and at the very bottom you select what classes you play

[cinder dust]

thats fine and all but theres so many quests to go to inferno even bfore quests like " find 20 small oak chests in ruins"

[granite granite]

how the hell do I find the blood platforms

[gentle gyro]

Searching 😭 🙏

[granite granite]

I've been trying for like 3 days

[silver smelt]

I don't know if chance increases.

[charred veldt]

Search for them 😉
Random dungeons are here to stay aparently

But nooo adding a sellable item to the fortune teller that revealed a 3x3 around your character is too op 😦

[autumn wren]

Thanks

[graceful citrus]

Ty for info normal spam it is

[cinder dust]

and are coming to all maps eventually '_>;' witch im sure no one asked for

[gentle gyro]

Took me more than 2 weeks to find long bridge in crypts clearing at least a third to 2 thirds of crypts most times. Best of luck. Its luck of the draw

[barren pollen]

well in tarkov how it works is any ammo that you use in offline you get it back and you dont keep the loot you get, also if you die you just go back to the lobby with ur kit

[granite granite]

The one time I found it, I spawned in it, then got murdered by a nightmare axe skele shortly after opening the first door, it was sad

[cosmic swan]

Lot's of people asked for some type of randomness in the dungeon. After a couple hundred hour it's become a bit boring when you know all map

[charred veldt]

Honestly you could run Warlock or Bard and rush through all of ruins within the time limit without killing a single mob, issue is this only works on crypts, you get gang banged by dogs and centaurs in inferno so this is not possible (I have gotten quite good at running around with bard)

[gentle gyro]

I mean that seems reasonable. Ofc wouldn't wanna kill the main games pvp, but I would also like new players to have a chance after practicing lol

[granite granite]

I just wish this quest wasn't so annoying

[cinder dust]

i mean im fine either way,i prefere non random but will still play with it random as its not a dealbreaker for me,but i would like to see a poll on peoples opinions just out of curiosity

[charred veldt]

it sucks, nothing to be done, get lucky I guess

[silver smelt]

Yes 👍

[gentle gyro]

Pve can be brutal. Learn the attacks and you'll be golden most of the time. Gl!

[slow girder]

best way to get royal bangles?

[charred veldt]

high roller gold piles, there is a chance to get ultimates (garbage) but it's way better than normals if you run goblin caves/ruins with squire kit and 2 staffs

[gentle gyro]

Here's the neat part I main warlock and literally phantomised or parried to quick kill any enemy I needed. I was clearing like 70 to 80 percent of crypts on a decent amount of runs. Legit just bad rng

[slow girder]

i am doing goblin caves and no luck yet xd

[charred veldt]

troll in gob caves HR is actually easier than normals (this does NOT apply to cyclops however with his laser beam attack, you WILL die unless you running warlock)

[gentle gyro]

I've heard this. Why is that the case?

[teal jetty]

why sometimes for my spell i release the R mouse button and spell dont shot??? plss

[slow girder]

one more question, luck doesn affect anymore?

[charred veldt]

The thing is that he only has one new attack with his fist, which you don't even need to dodge if you follow the normal pattern it's even easier if you go left but I go right and it never hits, hitbox too small, he will however hit harder and tank more, but his extra attack is nothing basically, doesn't even slow you and follow into a rush-swing

[zenith kiln]

it does but changes in % are ridicolously low

[gentle gyro]

Which class?

[zenith kiln]

like 400 luck gives you maybe few % more

[wind venture]

Next season, are these quests the same?

[charred veldt]

and you get the pile easy as that, with the added bonus that no one usually wants to do the bosses in gob caves HR because they go in wanting to PvP (not everyone, be careful, but less than normals)
good luck @gentle gyro

I am still saving my chest to see if it goes up in skull keys or something because my lazy ass can't farm for that religion skin and with the new update SDF talked about I don't even want to boot up the game anymore

[cosmic swan]

Most of them yes, maybe minor change on some quest but most of the time there is very few completely new quest

[gentle gyro]

Prob not planning on hitting hr troll soon. But I'll take the luck! Need every bit in the dungeons. Same to you!

[wind venture]

I need to find a proper quest list so I can collect all this shit straight away lol

[timid jacinth]

i just went to hell, why is that in the game

[charred veldt]

you probably know this but you could enter high roller buying 2 purple quarter staffs (40-50 gold each in market) and squire kit. have fun

[slow girder]

how i dodge the ray from the cyclops xd

[cosmic swan]

We don't know the quest in advance but you can have a look here https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Quests

[unborn adder]

fix the bugs

[gentle gyro]

I flipped market items and got the 200k from liquidating my stashes and farming flips on the market in only about a few days to a week

[charred veldt]

before or after the crash

[gentle gyro]

That's an amazing tip ty. I've heard people do huge weapons because no one loots them lol

[charred veldt]

I will probably do that when I'm bored, any tips for flipping? I mean rings I guess, crafted gear with good rolls?

[teal jetty]

wiz with book

[gentle gyro]

After ofc lol. Try to find things with good flipping value

[gentle gyro]

Are you moving? You can't cast while moving with some spells like missile

[teal jetty]

no bro

[gentle gyro]

Shucks uhh. Can't help then best of luck

[summer mist]

Make bosses more reasonable please I begggggggg

[half spire]

Make sure your spell is fully charged up

[clever cape]

the book has collision if it bumps anything during cast it will cancel the spell

[gentle gyro]

Peep things that can be crafted. Convenience fee will make you money. Find the right things and make bank depending on the day

[teal jetty]

np ty

[wicked tusk]

why are ppl now just killing their team mates at the start?

[cosmic swan]

Does your hand hit something? Are you sure you don't release too soon? It could also be due to lag if you have a bad connection. If it happen really often it might be a bug tho, try to fix the game file or #report-a-bug (better with a clip)

[gentle gyro]

Yeah check the things @half spire and @clever cape posted. Could be the cause (sorry pings lol)

[cosmic swan]

In the dungeon? or Arena?

[gentle gyro]

Downvote them and stain their reputation

[teal jetty]

no but my friend had same in warlock i will try to check whne it happen again

[cosmic swan]

You can also use #in-game-reports (even better with a clip)

[teal jetty]

but its possible i real when casting is full but lag mean its not full and delete the spell cast

[cosmic swan]

Make sure you play on the right server too. Could be that

[teal jetty]

any why to show the ping in game? in eu since 2023 im eu.this problem is really new

[cosmic swan]

No, i don't think so. And I heard people saying that sometime the server change randomly so never bad to check every often

[cursive night]

They are all reasonable what

[rigid flower]

What did SDF mean in the Q and A about HR going back to the "original vision"? No gear brackets?

[teal jetty]

true. i just check for sure it dont chqnge its eu

[woeful plume]

Random exit portals, no getting gear back if you die and no one loots it, swarm circle...could be any number of things really.

[teal jetty]

hr need to be like 125-500, for avoid * player with 900gs to * others

[limber badge]

For sure no more goblin recovery, I imagine

[vast lotus]

is the game lagging or is it just me

[gentle gyro]

Hey I've asked before, but none of the solutions have worked. I rubberband... A lot. I don't have this issue with any other game. My graphics are up to date. I don't know what it could be and it's been crashing and freezing recently. Any solutions or suggestions are welcomed.

[dusty vine]

@gentle gyro make sure no “in game overlays” are active for any apps such as ea, Ubisoft, etc

[cinder dust]

does anyone here run this game on linux xddd i dont wanna switch to windows 11 xd

[humble bloom]

I suffer serious lag with the first game i get into every time i play. No exception so I've started joining a squire lobby and just wandering around until their servers decide i can play. No other game does this for me

[summer mist]

If you are just learning a boss, getting one shot constantly isn’t reasonable

[dusty vine]

@humble bloom probs not on ssd

[humble bloom]

It is on ssd

[teal jetty]

any way to show ping?

[cinder dust]

im not on a SSD and have 0 issues like that

[neat urchin]

Lol wtf the new warlock clip in ironmace-media doesnt show the lock cast a single curse. Great jobs guys.

[cinder dust]

my OS is on a SSD but the game isnt(and my pc is absalutley ancient)

[dusty vine]

Game needs to be or it runs like shit

[cinder dust]

runs fine for me xd

[dusty vine]

Why ask about windows then

[cinder dust]

coz i dont want windows 11 xd

[dusty vine]

If it runs fine then you don’t need it right?

[cinder dust]

ive been considering linux for like 3 or 4 years as i want to go into cybersec

[normal goblet]

so when is wipe?

[cinder dust]

wanted to know if my favourite current game would run on a system running linux

[dusty vine]

Hate you bro

[cinder dust]

make less assumptions nextime ❤️

[barren pollen]

No one knows when wipe is bro, but likely still one month to go

[dusty vine]

Not assumptions I was trying to help someone else and you chimed in

[cinder dust]

then you continued to make assumptions

[normal goblet]

so does games run better on linux?

[dusty vine]

On some “works for me” shit

[reef solar]

No updates for almost 2 weeks? Is the game dead or something

[cinder dust]

i mean if i can run the game on an acient PC,while the game is on a HDD then the guy must have an issue that isnt that

[dusty vine]

Bro I said the game runs like shit for me cuz I’m not on ssd so maybe that was his problem where did I assume

[teal jetty]

eft its 6month chill

[dusty vine]

Now we know guys, the issue isn’t that. Thanks for the input hella helpful

[cinder dust]

usually how troubleshooting works yeah xd

[dusty vine]

Hope your game don’t work on your new pc bro bro

[cinder dust]

tyvm have a nice day ❤️

[dusty vine]

Cornball

[iron patrol]

anyone really into give away 2 troll pelt and blood im not premium player so cant trade them

[humble bloom]

Ill try running it windowed with task manager or something open to see what's happening

[cinder dust]

also try diffrent anti ailasing modes, and turn off cloth simulation

[teal jetty]

luck is bug or its ok?

[humble bloom]

That's a great idea ty

[cosmic nimbus]

in normal 24 i just fought 2x sorc, 2x wiz, 2x fighter teams, everyone seems to be runnign 2x same classes in normals, stupid abusers

[cinder dust]

if ur still expirencing issues from then put the game on the minimum possible settings then slowly turn up additional settings to your prefrence until you start noticing issues

[cosmic swan]

That doesn't sound like a server/lag issues, most likely an issues on your side you can try that -> #game-discussion message or open ticket/report a bug #discord-help and #report-a-bug

[humble bloom]

It might be that it's loading things for the first time. Its not a RAM issue either so I'll go with your suggestion

[teal jetty]

what qbout hr225+ its full or gs 800+ or its playable xD

[wind venture]

Can we please get a throwable limit.. I love fighting rogues and barbs with 40+ throwables.

[cinder dust]

let us keep drums tho coz its funny xd(not biased atall as a cleric main)

[wind venture]

There should just be 10x limit,

[teal jetty]

it hr cost ap or money its bad that why normal player dont hr

[wind venture]

@teal jettyit be just 100g

[prime crypt]

Then ur gonna have to limit arrows and spells too

[wind venture]

@prime cryptWhy? Throwable utility/option.

[teal jetty]

for 100i never go hr i do 250g on each normal run, on rp pretty the same or 300g, bonus only is good gear. only hr i have 10x more chance to die in pvp. for player who want make money 25-125 best if hr have fee

[woven island]

Hr doesn't cost money

[teal jetty]

but AP. mean for money run i have best to go normal for dont lose ap

[woven island]

Ap can't go down if you have none.

[teal jetty]

true but if you have ap we lose some..

[humble bloom]

You can always buy some cheapo purple gear and have it in your inventory to join HR. That way you either die and lose effectively nothing or not die and have a better chance at really good stuff

[dusty vine]

oop misinput

[teal jetty]

money is not the prob. lose ap is the prob. mean in money run make hr is not worth if we dont go inferno or do big things if need/normal player i think

[humble bloom]

I see your point if you already have a ton of AP and don't want to lose the rewards.
But really it's just a number. This is from my opinion as someone who doesn't do HR much do idk what the rewards for AP are

[teal jetty]

yes but reward looks good for me* rest emote or menu hideout or food etc xD

[marsh adder]

I hope you thought this ping was a patch

[humble bloom]

Those do sound good, maybe I'll try to get those then

[cinder dust]

honestly if u want the reward,make an alt of ur charecter

like now my clerics at pathfinder probly gonna make an alt to do HR pvp on a cleric xd

[teal jetty]

i already making ton of alt for trade and store gold. we will see what sdf want for his HR

[wind venture]

I LO0VE FIGHTING ROGUES

WUITH 50 FCKING, KNIFESSSSS 2 hotswapping hand crossbows, poison, 330 speed. Balanced as fck!

[cinder dust]

most mentaly stable DaD player ^^

[prime crypt]

Ranged already dominates. the ranged meta would become even worse

[teal jetty]

i hope in futur for graphics rework and cloth design etc we are far of beautiful dungeon and dragon/lotr like

[wind venture]

@prime cryptPut a limit on throwables and it gets... more ranged? makes no sense

[prime crypt]

Are you… dumb? Try thinking beyond throwables for 2 seconds baby bro. Melee cant hit ranged class = nobody plays melee class, everyone plays ranged class

[cinder dust]

throwables mostly used be classes lacking other ranged options

[coarse briar]

On a different note...randomized lobbies for goblin caves???? It's going to kill the game.

[prime crypt]

Ahh i just realized youre a timmy to the game. Makes sense

[wind venture]

@prime cryptAnd you just lost the argument for reacting like that lol. No point in talking to you when you instantly go 'aww you're bad, timmy!' Grow up.

[marsh adder]

Nah just bring back 1 franny and 1 throwing knife per stack not that hard. wrong msg I replied to.

[prime crypt]

You being a timmy has everything to do with why you think that way kid

[teal jetty]

any game will illegal trade can die. since20game every trade game stay open. only if iron mace disband it can die

[rancid carbon]

why? no more rushing bosses?

[teal jetty]

and we are lucky any asian game stay alive for+ 3years

[near jackal]

lol

[worldly quarry]

whos thought it was a good idea to randomize and fog of war goblin caves and ruins

[near jackal]

i feel it will help stop rushing n shit ^

[smoky estuary]

why tf is requeuing in this game

[near jackal]

this i hav no clue, idk who whispered in thier ears

[lapis stream]

when can we run named in arena

[ornate crystal]

Behind The Stone quest what dbl door is it

[lapis stream]

skull key door

[teal jetty]

fk rogue play bad but 2 shoot lol

[turbid pendant]

forceful shot + giant bat = bad time lol

[dense berry]

Give druid's panther form the ability to see in the dark and modestly detect stealth, deal?

[teal jetty]

lmao never hunt a rogue in wiz bad idea want to pvp is never good idea in this game

[night pebble]

So when is this patch #80? Does anyone know?

[chrome turret]

is forceful shot still broken?

[turbid pendant]

bat moves super weird if it is coming at a downward trajectory when you hit it. If you kill it, the bat is not lootable

[quiet ginkgo]

Any news on when the new map is potentially dropping?

[turbid pendant]

that would be sick, like if it had a smell trail instead of footprints. get rid of insta transform tho

[dense berry]

idk man, instant transform is too good, you take that away druid is nerfed hard

[teal jetty]

when rotate item?

[coarse briar]

It's going to only encourage rushing through tiles more to find a boss. Before you knew where it was so youde go straight to it. Now you rush the entire map hoping you find the tile.

[quiet ginkgo]

Im a big big fan of the game, but its been so long we need a new map..

[coarse briar]

It completely killed ruins for me and I'm not the only one for sure. Now gob caves too?????

[viral needle]

what a horrible idea, especially when its already more powerful than half the classes combined

[coarse briar]

I usually try to defend this game on all the people who hate on it...but i just can't with that

[marsh adder]

Yeah I find it really funny that the people that complain about this game like its a job and talk about how bad it is still play the game.

[viral needle]

yeah lets give the panter, which is nearly fucking invisable in the dark, nightvision, so it can just sit in the dark the whole time and rat

[cinder dust]

yeah ngl if i was a dev looking at how alot of this community acts i wouldnt be too happy either

[coarse briar]

It's super annoying how many haters play..but seriously this direction of fog of war and random map rotations is going to be the downfall

[marsh adder]

Nah I think random map and fog of war are fine but they are going to hinder the new player experience

[last pier]

do u get all high roller rewards up to your rank ?

[viral needle]

oh yeah esp on inferno, theres no point going there if i die 9/10 times due to spawning halfway through the timer across the map from all the blues

[cinder dust]

people warned me this discord was a cesspool,i joined the offical one that game reccomends and was like "ohhh this place is actually really nice",then i joined here and was like "ohh shit they right xd"

[dense berry]

it's not balanced until it's OP. Remember Gamer Rule 101. Anything that makes me OP is balanced. Anything that makes you OP is unbalanced and must be nerfed.

[quiet ginkgo]

Dont think so, but they need to stop the joining half timer in

[coarse briar]

For seasoned vet it's not a huge deal, kinda freshens it up a bit. But yeah it just doesn't work with the system they have. Remove the continuous joining or something if they want to randomize it

[viral needle]

can we just get random inferno without fog of war? its already big enough that randomized inferno with the map showing wouldn't be a problem

[coarse briar]

Idk finding ghost king just feels like rushing through the map to complete a damn quest. And half the time I dont even have time to kill it

[viral needle]

atleast show the locations of the damn blue portals, like finding blues in inferno while also trying to clear the new moduals that would give the devs of Dark souls 2 heart attacks from the enemy spam is near impossible

[coarse briar]

Truth brother. New modules are pretty wild.

[maiden jasper]

whats that "kind of glitter" that some cloaks have ? i always seen it on yt but never had one myself and idk what is it

[cinder dust]

cosmetic season reward from old season

[solemn sparrow]

have they announced wipe ?

[viral needle]

like you know its fucking bad when im comparing it to dark souls 2 aswell, the game known for its horrid unthoughtout, rushed game design

[coarse briar]

Lol I agree it also adds to my point. Theres too much shit to deal with

[modern raptor]

how are they gonna randomize goblin caves if boss rooms connect

[coarse briar]

Theres a room with like 6 dogs and 6 axe skele lol just nightmare fuel

[viral needle]

also before anyone says 'JuST pLAy TrIOs', literally 50%+ of the playerbase is solos, so dont give me that shit, nearly everyones friends quit

[river glade]

Im queing for 3's, and its bringing me in solo. What is up with that?

[cinder dust]

my friends quit '_>;'

[coarse briar]

Trios diesnt make it any better really..still super annoying that the map is blacked out AND randomized

[viral needle]

trios is even worse dealing with 10 teams bum rushing you as soon as they spawn

[cinder dust]

i mean i prefere solos but it was cool having people to play with xd

[coarse briar]

You probably need to unchecked the "do not fill empty squad" option

[limber badge]

I too have friends who quit

[cold tide]

What’s the best for slayer fighter without weapon mastery

[river glade]

You saved my ass

[coarse briar]

Happens to me a lot lol don't feel bad

[astral rapids]

when is wipe?

[cinder dust]

id be 100% fine with randomised+fog of war if they got rid of "find x module and extract quests" and if they kept them put them at the end of quest chains instead of at like rep 50 lmao

[maiden jasper]

wasnt the game just wiped 1 month ago? the season rewards arent shown even yet

[coarse briar]

Wipes not for a while..maybe end of april

[viral needle]

no deadass because ive been stuck on dark advisor for a week, getting to ghost king AND finding a blue is near impossible without dying to all the other people who get there as soon as you do

[marsh adder]

Agreed

[iron brook]

yo im a returning player and curious to know why there are not much updated builds. I know there are a lot of diff ways to build your classes but not even much on class updates etc

[coarse briar]

Idk man the fog of war is honestly my biggest complaint with the game right now. I just want to learn warlord and it's damn near impossible to even find it in time.

[devout hull]

Ghost king is a blue

[cinder dust]

same im not a fan of it atall personally but they seem hellbent on doing it so if they are that would be my suggestion

[viral needle]

im not there to kill him bruh im tryna do a quest, i need to not fight 5 other players so i can just get this done bruh

[devout hull]

Yea fog is killing game 100% everyone that doesnt like it is forced into other maps to burn out, but now goblin cave and ruins are being switched to random too so i think the game gonna be in rough shape soon

[dim totem]

I used to like this game before druid came out

[coarse briar]

The only reason to even do goblin caves is for gold ore now, and they want to randomized it lmao

[viral needle]

ive also never killed ghostking so im not just gonna sit there tryna solo ghost king when ive already been struggling just to reach the room for a week

[devout hull]

Hes super easy, and once you kill him you can open his portals and jump out instantly

[coarse briar]

He is easy, just getting to him is a headache

[viral needle]

again i cannot find him and the thirdpartying when you get there because everyone just goes straight down now is ridiculous

[devout hull]

Third partying is the lowest its ever been at gk so i dunno what to tell you xD

[viral needle]

in solos? are we playing the same game?

[twilit parrot]

yo when is wipe?

[prime crypt]

Its a cloak skin from reaching demigod in one of the earlier seasons

[coarse briar]

If they get rid of the continously dungeon and return it to the way it was before, where the map ended and everyone that went down goes down, it'd be better. More time to find it. I usually get loaded in when there's like 2/3 of a timer left

[quasi marten]

third partying on bosses is the least its ever been with new inferno map and fog of war

[devout hull]

Yeah.. random and fog and 5x5 and a lot of new modules are aids. People cant rush to him like they used to so if u fond him early hes often free

[viral needle]

i consistantly get thrid partied whenever i find it because everyone who goes into hells is trying to find it

[prime crypt]

This is my biggest complaint. Why would I want to load into a match that’s like 30% done? Lmao

[devout hull]

Yea but thats always been the case, hes a lot harder to find now compared to 3x3 with him always in the middle

[viral needle]

also the fact i spawn with 7 minutes left doesnt help at all when i have to clear nearly the whole map

[coarse briar]

It'd be fine if there was like an extension on the timer or something, move it to 20 mins for inferno

I just created a bitching fest which is usually what I find annoying 😂

[viral needle]

so instead of wasting my time to get down to hell waiting for the gates to open, i now waste 20 minutes grabbing gear from ruins and crypts then just die because theres not enough blues and they all spawn on one side of the map usually

[fleet aurora]

The creep invis rogues have to go, like who wants to get heart attack every time you play the game, please what is this vision

[devout hull]

Yup honestly the only good thing about fog/random is that bossing is thirded a bit less. I honestly think they should remove fog and have a fake module showing on the map where the boss is so people still dont know exactly where it is but you can still see blues/res shrines etc

[coarse briar]

Just play PDR fighter bro

[barren ingot]

no one wants fog on the maps. Its just a fking annoyance

[coarse briar]

Where do we put a petition to not have fog in the game lol

[grand shadow]

is there a link or something to a map that shows which rooms in hell have blue portals?

[viral needle]

i love having quests to go somewhere i cant see on the map and possibly isnt even there, replaced waiting to go to inferno, with just wasting your time with everything else

[devout hull]

Spells and guns wiki has some. I dont know if anything fully up to date exists now

[fervent wigeon]

It prevents resource rushing (whether that resource is a boss, ore, etc..) I like it.

[nimble elk]

Hey guys, whose quest i got to focus in order to upgrade my gear to uncommon?

[devout hull]

Sadly i feel like IM likes it, hard to say if they will go back, they planning to add it to more maps now

[viral needle]

wow not like as a veteran player i already know what rooms ores spawn in so it doesnt matter

[barren ingot]

its also going to prevent the playerbase from being healthy. who cares about resources when no ones playing

[coarse briar]

I think Sparky showed off the map generator someone came up with too. So fog actually only benefits cheaters who use the map exploit

[nimble elk]

Hey guys, whose quest i got to focus in order to upgrade my gear to uncommon?

[fervent wigeon]

I too know which modules hold it.. but FoW still aides in that prevention when you couple it with module randomization.

[viral needle]

not at all, just run a barb or rouge and skip mobs till you find the modual

literally fixed and solved nothing but making it harder for new players to learn the game over vetrans with experience

[fervent wigeon]

I think it is much smaller % of the player base that dislikes FoW than you think. I think those that absolutely intend on resource rushing dislike it. I also resource rush, but I like that it isn't as much of a third party fest as it was without it. Though it definitely still is a third party fest

[coarse briar]

The idea sounded good on paper. But the community didn't adapt to it how they "should" everyone just rushes through modules until they find what they're looking for

[devout hull]

That only really matters for bosses, and you can just not show the boss room on map for the same effect.

[jovial viper]

is it known if spectrasl knight takes damage during his spawning animation?

[lunar zenith]

anyone else not able to load into crypts rn?

[cinder dust]

it literly dosent tho,you center scout,u find the centre of the map,then scout every tile around that

[hasty spruce]

does purge shot work vs warlocks?

[upbeat bison]

it doesnt take their shards, their biggest buff

[devout hull]

He does not (i curse him on warlock and dont get healed)

[astral atlas]

If you’re taking about the 5+ all attributes then no it doesn’t

[coarse briar]

Amd honestly even when the boss rooms did show, it wasn't like EVERY match the entire lobby was there. Sometime yeah it'd be popular pvp spot, but not always

[cinder dust]

theres a giant chance u find what ur looking for within 1-2 mins of getting to the centre,and finding the centre of the map regardless of tile is in the same place

[devout hull]

Its a magic buff, it should work?

[viral needle]

I love wasting 30 minutes looking for a room that didnt spawn because i was given a quest to find it, and i have to pray to RNJesus and hope that it spawns without being able to check it on the map, i must run around the whole map just to find a room rather than actually play the game or loot

[fervent wigeon]

Ok.. so the one room with FoW is the boss room lol. think that through. Also all of you explaining the ways you have worked around it is my point. It adds in more work to get to the important/hot spots. Thats exctly the point. without it then those same people would be doing the same thing (barb smashing doors etc..) but have a direct predefined path they want to take for it.

[hasty spruce]

but for say his other buffs like if he uses pos?

[coarse briar]

Yeah and player count has drastically dipped since

[devout hull]

No they would just show it as another module, not fog it lol

[astral atlas]

I hope with the randomized goblin caves they will add more modules that aren’t horrible

[barren ingot]

trying to combat one issue, creating many more in the process. Its annoying enough for a veteran with 2k+ hours let alone someone new who does not know what the modules look like or where certain things spawn ect. It looks like its here to stay though so get ready for the shit storm when they bring out the next big update

[modern coyote]

Lol, just went into a 0-24 lobby, fought a warlock who killed himself by casting too much, then sat down for a bonfire only to run into that guy immediately when I stood up.

[viral needle]

wow its almost like in a dungeon crawling game with QUESTS TO FIND A ROOM, people would like to able to plan their runs and see where they're going

[coarse briar]

I've got around 1.5k hours and I honestly don't like going to inferno anymore because of it. There's just some people who are way better at rushing tiles to find the boss than most of us. It defeats the purpose

[viral needle]

not waste 30 minutes every run looking for 'dark magic library' to not have it spawn because ironmaces shoddy code decided to fuck you over

[fervent wigeon]

I think the dip has a lot more to do with how rampant gold purchasing has become and how bad the market crashed after the Nightmare frost walker skin came out.. not so much fog of war.

[devout hull]

This isnt just limited to quests either, planning your run in general was a nice aspect of the game. Now its back to random like when we had circles and luck plays too much of a factor in the success of your run. Takes agency and some skill expression away from
Players, not fun to me

[fleet aurora]

yeah they didnt think it through one bit it is kind of insulting

[coarse briar]

No the games player count plummeted when they did the fow, check the historical data on it. I just saw Ryan's video and the timeliness matches up

[fervent wigeon]

I agree it makes it much tougher for non vets who do not know the modules on sight. No argument there.

[viral needle]

all my friends left this shit game because all you people just support the worst changes to the game, i literally do not get it, dont you see the game is dying

it hurts a lot, all playtest players, most playtest player ik dont even play anymore

[fervent wigeon]

Yeah it might make finding certain modules more difficult for quests.. but exposing the full map would make bossing even more of a headache than it already is. Maybe you aren't bossing yet so you don't understand why it's so important for that to not be immediately identifiable on load in. No hate.

[coarse briar]

I'm usually on the otherside of the hate for this game, but it's just not fun anymore with this fog of war crap.

[devout hull]

You can effectively have fog for bossroom only like i said earlier

[coarse briar]

Also another point, how do they expect people to learn how to kill the bosses of they can't even find them and when they finally do after their 4th or 5th attempt. They die learning it as part of the process.

[viral needle]

no i want to have fun not farm a boss for 15 hours a day and then complain on discord because they dont add new content to consume, maybe dont just spam boss rooms every round, thats literally not what the whole games about

[fervent wigeon]

Maybe it's not for you then. Legacy and Steel doesn't have FoW and its a loot/extraction PvPvE. Check it out. I think FoW is critical for the long term health of DaD. I wont deny it's a mild annoyance but that's the whole point.

[coarse briar]

I've been playing since day 1. I love the game. Just not the direction it's heading in.

[summer mist]

3hrs still haven’t killed spectral once uggh

[fervent wigeon]

Explain the concept please? If one room is grayed out... then it's pretty obvious where the boss room is. I am open to hear how you think you would execute that though.

[coarse briar]

Maybe they fog out 3x3 of a 5x5 map

[devout hull]

The boss room wouldnt show as the boss room on the map, it would look like another module

[fervent wigeon]

How do they expect people to learn to kill the bosses if every single time they go to them it's either already dead or has 3 teams rushing in on it?

[rigid ether]

they should bring back expressman at least if goblin isnt bringing gear back, bring back wanter murderer and the escape artist leaderboards. shit was pretty cool

[fervent wigeon]

Oh that'd be pretty cool. Make it appear as a diff module then just not load that module in the game. Honestly that seems viable. I dig it.

[viral needle]

bros telling people to go play a different game because they dont enjoy changes to a game they've been playing for years, please take a step back and reread what you wrote, do you even care about the game? you're being told by multiple people they dont like this system, MAYBE its you who needs to find a different game if this game is just 'doing bosses' to you

[dire rampart]

Did anyone else just get kicked to lobby? Lost all our gear after going to abyss....

[tranquil drum]

where can i find frozen ghost for tailor quest in ice cavren

[devout hull]

Bottom floor, theres 2 in the northeast corner and one in the middle west room i think

[tranquil drum]

ty

[coarse briar]

Fogging out the middle 3x3 section of a 5x5 map, and the boss room always spawns within the 3x3? That'd be a little more interesting. Gives players a starting point to navigate at least

[fervent wigeon]

Thats fine. I have too and I stopped playing when multi class came out for the same reasons your mentioning with FoW. I just didn't dig it so I found something else to play. If it truly is a majority, DaD will change it... or not. It's not that deep. I love the game too, but it has been on a steady decline in my opinion and I hope it gets back to what it was. Again the folkspurchasing their gear with real moolah is honestly breaking the enjoyment of the gameplay loop and drives up the overall price of decent gear.

[viral needle]

like deadass im so sick of people in here complaining about how the game has no content or that the bosses are too easy, but they play for like 15 hours a day and shit

of course the game is boring if its all you do and you practically live in it, any game gets like that if you play it like that

[coarse briar]

I will say, I do prefer fog over the closing circle. Those days were rough

[devout hull]

Yeah lol, there was always 1 juicer team just holding all the portals and not letting anyone extract

[fervent wigeon]

I'm being told by 3 guys they dislike fog of war. There were people that enjoyed multi classing.. do you think the game would be in a healthy spot if they kept that ish? You should take a step back and think about why you actually dislike FoW. Your main point has been on quests and finding modules for quests. Okay, take away loctation based quests. Fixed it. The one reasonable solution to combat the super saturation of boss farming is what that one guy said about disguising the module as another one on the map. Kinda cool and could work... then would eliminate the need for FoW I think.

[viral needle]

no because the majority disliked multiclassing aswell, literally like 10 people liked that

[fervent wigeon]

They were rough. Low key fun but OMG warlocks litting there just out living the circle ticks was low key infuriating haha.

[coarse briar]

I don't think there were many people that liked multi classing. It was fun at first but got stale realllllll fast

[fervent wigeon]

and I've seen 3 complain about FoW. I agree to the point you made earlier about the FoW being unforgiving to new players trying to learn the game. If I hadn't learned all the modules on a fixed module set up, it would be pretty confusing/disheartening at times.

[coarse briar]

Shit it's disheartening to me as a vet 😂😂 I'm too dumb to figure out how to get to a boss for better loot

[viral needle]

like dude you realize everything your bringing up doesnt change the fact the game went from 30k to 15k to now 6k after they've added all this bullshit, do you maybe think it might have a little correlation?

[fervent wigeon]

I just hated it in general. Conceptually sounds sick af, in practice just a shit show meta chase in a different way.

[rare token]

update osooooon soon 1?!?!?!??

[devout hull]

This week, likely Friday

[coarse briar]

They said this week

[viral needle]

i expect the numbers to drop to about 3k in 2 months give or take, esp if they continue down this route

[dusk dove]

On another note, aside from randomization of map layout. Not trying to stop this topic btw.

Can arena please be permanent at some point? It’s a safe way to enjoy PvP and practice to get better with the best gear you acquire set aside for that in your stash. I’ve heard many things like “IM doesn’t want it to become the core part of the game” and “Raids will become dead”. I really want to do PVP regularly in this game with a full kit and so do others.

Inb4 anyone says “just PVP in Raids bro” that’s fine, I’m okay with PvPing in Raids and even potentially losing my gear. I’m not okay with some third party rat coming to kill me at low health which has happened numerous times. But ratters gonna rat so it is what it is.

[fervent wigeon]

Again, I think you are blaming way too much of that on FoW alone. You can't seem to wrap your head around all of the other factors that go into it. I am not saying FoW didn't contribute to that, but I genuinely do not think it played as big a of role as you are trying to frame it out to be. Note I said "think", as in my opinion. I could be wrong, you could be right... I just haven't seen a solid argument for your case yet and don't think it's more bad for the game than it is good.. unless they take that dudes idea on hiding the boss room. That could solve a LOT.

[woeful plume]

They've been there before.

[coarse briar]

I have a feeling the player base is going to drop hard. It always kinda does towards the end of wipe, but yeah. Just limiting the average player experience is going to kill it

[viral needle]

i didnt just say fog of war, now you're being subjective, its MULTIPLE THINGS and them NOT CARING about FEEDBACK

[fervent wigeon]

Lol I've been there. Lots of runs trying to find lich or WL to no avail or to find it way too late and then the same feels when getting down there for GK.. .especially with the addition of the other modules in inferno. That gets frustrating af.

[fervent wigeon]

Hey man, why you yelling. Chill out. I spose I inferred that you believe FoW is the main reason because it's what you have been most vocal about. Am I wrong?

[viral needle]

they just add shit with no testing and dont care if it works

you are very wrong, esp because this all started when bard was added and they did no testing at it was overpowered in trios for over a year

[coarse briar]

Yeah that's exactly my complaint. I'm at the point where I'd like to get my first named weapon. Which it's much more difficult than it used to be, and it should be this difficult! But also I just want to be able to grind a boss here and there when I need to. I'll pvp it out, much rather have that issue than not finding it in general.

[west mist]

how do you wanna test FoW and continuous dungeon without bringing it live tho

[glacial patrol]

SOMEONE INTERESTED ABOUT BUYING DRUID SETTINGS ?
I HAVE A KITS FOR ONE SK

[fleet surge]

is the game down rn?

[glacial patrol]

nah

[viral needle]

hmm maybe the fucking test server thats been live since the playtests and completely free to download and use? i dunno how' they'd possibly test a feature without putting it on a live server like 90% of games do

[dusk dove]

Sorry if I’m slow, wtf is FoW? Is it just the map randomization shit?

[coarse briar]

😂😂

[fleet surge]

i cant get in the game neither can my friends

[devout hull]

Fog of war

[quick lava]

is anyone having trouble getting in?

[charred junco]

bro cant find the hole

[summer mist]

It just kicked me from the game

[fervent wigeon]

I'm all for wanting to just get to the damn boss room.. but even if it wasn't then super saturated and just constant third party after third party.. it would become less fun, much quicker.. than having to deal with the BS to get there. I wouldn't mind reducing inferno back to what it was prior to the newly added modules. That grid size felt better and you could then get to GK very quickly for boss rushing. Still random, but not such a PITA

[dusk dove]

Respectfully that didn’t answer my question. What does it do?

[viral needle]

SDF just never tests updates because he adds his vision and thats all you deserve

[devout hull]

Hides the map until you explore it

[dire gorge]

is the game working for ppl?

[west mist]

The issue with FoW and continuous dungeons is the amount of players queuing in the same time frame -> 3rd parties and spawning right where a team spawned 2min earlier
Can't test this on a test server with like 2% of the playerbase count
You just won't have the same "settings" as on live server

[modern delta]

[fleet surge]

GAME IS DOWN GAME IS DOWN GAME IS DOWN

[summer mist]

They need to have a "boss rush" type mode for learning the bosses

[coarse briar]

That's pretty solid too, I was excited for the new modules until I got stuck in a couple of them on my attempt to rush through lol

[viral needle]

maybe if they actually made mention of it and asked people to test things, not like they have a whole discord of people to ask or anything

[coarse briar]

To be fair, they did just go through a major lawsuit against one of the top gaming developing companies in Korea. Maybe the top company actually.

[fervent wigeon]

You seem as mad as I was when I was pushing for them to revert the gear flattening patch and the multi classing patch. So I get where you're coming from. You love the game... it kicks ass. You really dislike FoW and the balance issues. The balance issues aren't new.. you said so yourself. So to me, it really seems like FoW is what's got you the most fired up. I think if you really break it down, some type of FoW element.. at a minimum for the boss rooms.. is good for the long term health of the game.

[dusk dove]

OOOOOOH so the shit that blacks out the map in like layer 2 ruins onward?

Doesn’t really bother me much, the ONLY thing I hate about it is the whole “find XYZ and escape” quest system. Please remove that shit if you’re going to keep this in the game. But other than that eh, I’m not really too bothered. Not now at least.

[coarse briar]

And Ironmace isn't a giant company lol

[viral needle]

they've made literally 4x the money that lawsuit will ever cost them off mxt and inital sales of the hold the line edition

[west mist]

It has been tested on live server at start of wipe, the one thing you could blame them for (which i blame them for for instance) is taking ages to fix this after tons of players complained about 3rd parties and teams spawning in their back

[coarse briar]

Yeah the 3rd party from a fresh spawn is a major problem actually

[west mist]

but testing it on live server at server wipe is the smartest move imo

[viral needle]

its a lot of other things like loading in with mobs infrount of you, or fucking spawning behind someone, or just the fact that druid have literally had more power than a rouge mixed with a cleric since they've launced

[primal hearth]

fax and the joining mid game

[coarse briar]

You can literally re join the game you died in on a diff toon

[primal hearth]

yep

[fervent wigeon]

They are fixing that thankfully. People were abusing the shit out of that,

[dire gorge]

is game working for anyone

[coarse briar]

They apparently already addressed it before, lol hopefully they just use account ID and match ID and don't let them meld

[west mist]

that's the thing that annoys me most tbh, and it doesn't feel rewarding when you're the one spawning in the back of a team that spawned where u did 2min earlier

[primal hearth]

imagine u finish a 3v3 pvp battle and while ur low and healing up and looting some party joins next room and spawn rushes u

[viral needle]

how mad would yall be if ironmace took hide away but let rouge get healing spells and now they're 3 feet tall with no head hitbox. there would be riots

[hasty thistle]

it isnt working for my friend and hes on steam works for me but im on blacksmith

[fervent wigeon]

I don't have to imagine it. I've had it happen and I've done it. Lol

[coarse briar]

I mean that's all part of the game. It's the re joining of the same lobby that really needs to be fixed

[primal hearth]

Ye but joining and being in an already half cleared dungeon is kinda lame

[coarse briar]

It's also super rewarding when you kill both groups lol

[astral atlas]

anyone having problems logging in? it says ive failed to connect to the server. quit the game. its happened 3-4 times>?>

[potent moat]

then just reset not every lobby are u joining half way in, beats sitting in que

[neon oak]

just finish a game and kick out 😦

[fervent wigeon]

Correct. I wont explain how/what people were doing cause I don't want to contribute to the problem.. but it is very easy to exploit the shit out of being able to rejoin the same game you just died in. Especially on maps like frost.. FoW might help combat that, inherently.. but they still just need a hard fix. I believe they are proposing a map queue timer. I sorta dislike that though too. Farming troll on sub 24 or 124 lobbies and wanting to just insta queue back in if you die or don't get pelt wont be a thing anymore.

[viral needle]

maybe this is it, they were so silent because they couldnt afford ther servers anymore

[potent moat]

ANYONE experiencing issues connecting to the game. it is usually a steam issue and restarting steam or ur pc usually fixes it

[fervent wigeon]

They addressed the rumors/concerns on the financial impact of the lawsuit with Nexon. This isn't it.. at least not because of finances. As you illuded to earlier, or someone did, they made more than enough of HTL editions and IGT to cover that hit.

[shell pivot]

I've been kicked out a couple times

[tranquil lake]

yes i am but it seems to only be with steam

[coarse briar]

Yeah ik how they were doing it because I've done it on accident before, a couple times. But idk the timer might not be a bad thing right? Like how it was before?

[hasty thistle]

restarting doesn't help with server issues

[dusky iron]

anyone got tips for finding an extraction in hell feels like a total crap shoot right now?

[viral needle]

nah ik im just fucking w people at this point

[coarse briar]

Lol bro became the troll

[ornate onyx]

If you’re one of the first ones there, stay quiet and listen for portals to rise in the direction you need to go

[fervent wigeon]

Timer could be good/only real solution based on player count and server load. I'm just big sad then because I'm just a lowly troll farmer tryna make a living out here. (lol jk, I like killing all the bosses.. except Wyvern, haven't taken the time.. and banshee, because who fucking actually farms banshee)

[coarse briar]

That's because it is a total crapshoot unless you know which modules have them immediately when you enter

[dusky iron]

what if its half over?? lol

[west mist]

find an easy to clear module, check all modules next to it, either u find another easy module to clear and more modules to check, or you find blues, unless you're very unlucky

[fervent wigeon]

Lol alright, was just checking. It's obvious you love the game so if you had any actual concern on that, I wanted to squash it.

[coarse briar]

😂 I'm a cyclops and troll farmer myself. I only killed banshee for the quest lmao

[viral needle]

they really do gotta fix inferno tho, that shit is really bad and untested, there was no reason to make it a 5x5 and not increase the time, it really leads me to belive that SDF only extracts on crypts, we already know he doesnt play HR at all

[tranquil lake]

welp when the game back up can someone plz @ me

[ornate onyx]

Pick a direction and hop for the best, if you’re in solos the game will try and spawn a portal within 2 cells of you, unless your unlucky and get a boss spawn then you gotta start hauling

[dusky iron]

thnx for the tips guys

[fervent wigeon]

inferno 5x5 is maddening, ngl. Maybe that's better long term, but I don't see how. More content is always good etc.. but like you said, a timer increase with a map size increase makes sense.

[west mist]

unless you're solo and play a class that struggles to clear PvE fast, inferno is pretty okay imo

[coarse briar]

@fervent wigeon bro imagine trying to get the bands quest done with this random generator?? I farmed cyclops for a week to get 4 legendary bangles lol

[viral needle]

im forced to play solo because all the shitty changes within the last year made all my friends quit the game lol

[fervent wigeon]

Haha it would def be more hard! I got lucky on a lot of mine and got some from troll, clops, and GK. I think maybe one from crypts (WL or Lich). Bopping off for a bit to get my dog out. Message me, lets run some GC when I get back.

[dusky iron]

so are the extractions in inferno static and was the one from spider cave rmoved?

[quasi marten]

brother take a breather and go outside youve been malding in this chat for over an hour now

[viral needle]

ok who are you, the arbitor of free time?

[quasi marten]

bro this isnt healthy 🤣

[viral needle]

okay bro whatever, another person for the blocklist lol

[dusk dove]

Ngl, actually bad aura to tell a guy what to do with his time. If he wants to be here for a while let him be. Especially if he’s just a discord stranger.

[edgy raptor]

WHY THE FLYING FUCK WAS STUPID "DO NOT FILL" BS ON SPAWENED ME IN SOLO AND I FUCKING DIED (ON TRIO SERVER) I NEVER CLICKED THAT OPTION FUCKING STUPID GAME

[silver hill]

can someone explain the difference between true physical damage and additional physical damage to me

[viral needle]

deadass, like i come on here to try and discuss the game, maybe go call out all the people spamming emojis or copypastas all day, i feel like those are the people that need to be called out for how they spend their time

[harsh dagger]

they got rid of feseb

[viral needle]

or the people who sit in here all day just to say shit whenever someone tries to express an opinion

[dusk dove]

Okay, not trying to move on from FoW. But how do y’all feel about arena not being permanent? Is it just going to stay as a weekend only thing? That genuinely sucks, there’s people that play this game almost only for arena and don’t play during the weekday lol. I know because I was actually one of them. I like both arena and normal raids but to add an awesome game mode to just duke it out with others and set a time limit on it really annoyed me.

[limber badge]

shit

[limber badge]

Dungeons are dead enough during weekends, 24/7 arena would eliminate a lot of dungeon pop

[viral needle]

i think it should be permenant so the people who want to just do pvp can play that, and the people who want to do dungeon runs/pvp can still play that

[harsh dagger]

goblins and ruins will be randomized next update witch is happening this week

perks and spells for sorcerers

[viral needle]

i like how they said they were gonna randomize ice caves and then didnt because they realized nobody plays that map

[dusk dove]

THANK YOU. If SDF really just doesn’t want it cause it’s “not his vision” then I can only respect it being that it’s not my game but if you see arena explodes player population why actually time limit it?

[loud creek]

dont you get a warning for trying to go solo on trios?

[harsh dagger]

making progress on the monk class also#

[indigo ginkgo]

This game seems easier and better since most people stopped playing. We dont' get azz rapped in the dungeons so much.

[haughty gorge]

WHEN PATCH

[hexed pebble]

I wish more people liked the map. It has really nice atmosphere

[viral needle]

exactly it also puts all those weird arena metas into the dungeon and ruins the 'dungeon crawling' experience for a player whos dipping their toes into higher ranks just to get minmaxed by arena players and told to gitgud

like if you're literally going into the dungeon to just kill people, and not loot or anything else thats a part of the game, why are you even playing

[harsh dagger]

this week at some point

[loud creek]

idk i think arena created this TDM mindset thats slowly killing the game. I dont think it added pop, it more or less stayed the same when it was introduced

SDF focusing on arena really meant that he wasnt focusing on what made the game unique and great in the first place

[dusky iron]

i kinda whish the fog of war wasn't as punishing, like mayeb the reveal radius be a little bigger or the nod becomes revealed when you enter, something to give a bit more info my knowledge of the nodes that werent in before the fog change is low and still makes it hard to learn when the info inout is so clouded

[dusk dove]

I agree FULLY. I do love the occasional raid of exploration and blood rush of grabbing someone’s loot from their body but PVP for me in raids is sometimes like an actual heartache. I HATE getting sloppy seconded by a ranger or rogue when I’m near dead coming out of an engagement.

[harsh dagger]

gobo's and ruins are getting fog of war

[indigo ginkgo]

NAEast, server disco. Time for something better!

[coarse briar]

itd actually kill the dungeoning experience. i no lifed arena when i finally made my kit lol

[viral needle]

also, the use of ESP in fights is extremely apparent, those teams that come through the door RIGHT when you kill that other team and are healing are most likely hacking

[quasi marten]

So hype

[harsh dagger]

for more infomation , go to ryan6daysaweek on youtube . lastest video

[coarse briar]

if the game population was much higher, permanent arena might be good

[dusky iron]

fog and randomized?? yeah thats rough

[copper pine]

god i hate u fucking druids

[indigo ginkgo]

They would just burn themselves out on it after a month, then move to a different game.

[quasi marten]

How did arena do this what

[viral needle]

because nobody here realizes as much as it'd hurt at first SSF is what made the game fun

[loud creek]

cmon bro look at the last 3 months

number changes and number changes, no real content added. SDF himself even said on the livestream that he wasnt a fan of the randomized dungeons (even though it literally is saving his game rn)

[quasi marten]

What does arena have to do with ur point I’m confused I agree with what u just said I just don’t understand how arena is affecting that

[loud creek]

??? it has everything to do with it, he was focusing on arena more than he was focusing on the other three maps, alongside pushing number changes that were inevitably rolled back a hotfix later

[dusk dove]

Hear this out:

just leave arena in the game full time. Max gear sweats are going to enter and duke it out for ranking and the fun of it. Don’t focus on arena as much as the raids.

And again inb4 anyone says “but what about the raid population and important data to keep the game balanced..?” You wanna know why raids are dead on weekends? Because arena is time restricted and players needing their fix cram as much time as they can. Trust me release it full time snd you’ll see it regulate out.

[viral needle]

sure you could be op if you spent weeks getting loot, but everyone would not want to risk dying, nobody would be running all minmaxed kits if marketplace was never added, what made the playtests fun was you actually earned all your gear, it MEANT something, now you just lose shit and its okay, i can just buy another

[edgy raptor]

NOPE

[indigo ginkgo]

Only if your gear is losable, this no loss of gear when you lose is pathetic honestly.

[loud creek]

i mean its too late now lol im not saying remove arena, that would be bad. But the damage is done

He should focus less on arena tho

[willow thistle]

when does season reset/wipe

[viral needle]

literally and its what enable the chinese gold farmers they refuse to adress, i cant even say the 3 letter word they do on the marketplace, but thats led to the downfall of this game aswell

[willow thistle]

or is there somewhere i can check to see when season ends?

[viral needle]

esp when they're all in NA servers now

[merry valve]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow Up the damn arrow count for ranger if quiver is going to take this long. We've been waiting two years.

[coarse briar]

not for a while bro, im guessing mid to late april

[dusk dove]

I agree, release it full time and don’t keep it as consistently updated as raids. Kind of just keep it as a sort of side option.

@indigo ginkgo Enemy players don’t even get your loot, so what’s the point of the loss? And you only keep gear if found or crafted by you. So you can’t just marketplace a whole legendary set and keep it.

[willow thistle]

thank you

[toxic widget]

Why doesn’t the religion offering skin appear in the exclusive tab

[indigo ginkgo]

They could move to an all crafted gear system, the only loot you get will be crafting components!
That would make it a fair playing field!

[viral needle]

wow they censored me ok. welp ik what side of this argument they support now and its not the normal non cheating players

[latent basin]

druid such a nice class to fight, they get low they reset they get low they reset they get low they reset, i cant even kill them if they play like kitties and then they extract good class!!!

[viral needle]

they must do the tarkov tactic where you cant meantion cheaters because ironmace makes their money off them buying new accounts

[dusk dove]

Fucking hilarious you mention this cause legit yesterday I had a talk with buddies about this.

[viral needle]

i just got censored for saying its a business model for them

that or it was because i mentioned reig0nl0ck, which apparently is a bad word

[night folio]

Im confident the Reel Monie Transactions are done by the dev team. They just getting a secondary income.

[viral needle]

expect me to disappear now for suggesting players play on the server near/in their country

[limber badge]

I saw prices on G2A for gold and it's actually more expensive than I expected

[night folio]

Dont be silly, surely a region with tons of cheaters wouldn't go to the most popular servers to use 3rd party programs to acquire items to sell for living wages

[oak sonnet]

game is in a terrible state i miss the pt days

[indigo ginkgo]

Don't hate the game baby, hate the player...

[viral needle]

whos buying that off G2A lmao, also G2A is such a scummy site im surprised it still exists

yk its bad when devs say they'd rather you pirate their game then buy it off G2A 😂

[indigo ginkgo]

Banning making money off of your time, blood, swet, and tears; is slavery.

[coarse briar]

this game is all tears bro

[limber badge]

I've gotten some good deals on g2a tbh famalamadingdong

[viral needle]

yeah its the fact they sell hacked steam accounts

[indigo ginkgo]

I recall when PoE2 was just out, you could buy gear on Ebay for your character. Ebay don't give a phuk.

[coarse briar]

PoE died faster than this game lol

[viral needle]

you could probably buy crack on Ebay lol

[indigo ginkgo]

I agree. I hated it. Copy pasta from PoE1, no good character voices/sayings, very boring game play style. Most of the big streamers are back to streaming PoE1, because there is not enough content in PoE2.

[limber badge]

Poe 2 end game is horrendous

[dusk dove]

Hey guys remember how Dungeonborne was going to kill this game?

In all seriousness I think we should be gratefull that IM is an immensely better dev team than Dungeonbornes at least. The devs legit let their game to rot and now it’s being terminated after not even being released for more than 6 months.

@latent basin sorry I didn’t mean to reply to you

[viral needle]

can somebody just buy all the dark and darker assets of FAB already and make dark and darker but better?

[coarse briar]

yes true! thanks for a little positivity in here!

[limber badge]

I remember greed is good

[cinder dust]

man i loved poe1 4.5k hours devs drove game off cliff xd

[dusk dove]

Yeah like DB is a case on how to absolutely F U C K up your extraction game.

[coarse briar]

i think only that one streamer said that though, the weird fat guy that mains cleric. Firefart or something

[oak sonnet]

its wild how they randomize the dungons and add fog of war but 4 teams end up on one side of the map i think theres way more cheaters now then ever

[bronze hornet]

to many people are holding a static (blue or red) because they are to scared to lose there kid or just camping it. my idee is that the static are reformed to like a magic circel. that you have to stand in for like 10 or 20 sec to teleport to the next lv or extract. just an idee (sorry for the bad english)

[gleaming adder]

Tower Mode

Stack of dungeons: Goblin Caves, Ice Mountain (all), Forgotten Castle (all), Arena. Ascending mob difficulty and gear drops. Can enter into tower mode at different stages depending on gear score brought in.

Restrictions

No epic+ weapons.

Your personally looted gear that is older than 24 hours but not older than 72 hours. The other way to divide the loot types is based on how many extractions ago they were looted, allowing players to not have to constantly return to the game. This helps prevent high min maxing from hoards of stashed gear, prevents people from extracting with loot and requeuing with that freshly acquired loot to go higher in the tower.

Only three pieces of gear bought on AH or socketed, the rest of kit must include gear you have personally looted or quest rewards. Making it feel like more of an RPG rather than AH sim. High min-maxing should only be in HR.

IM needs newer players to buy the game, and to do that they need to make modes that help players progress in the game.

In between levels of tower mode there are pregame lobbies with a vendor that allow you to store items (limited space), sell items, buy regeneration, craft items, and socket. You can also trade with your teammates. The last person to fill the lobby is given three minutes (flexible). This gives collecting mats a priority to help you in the next dungeon, a good RPG mechanic, and makes dying in tower mode not a total waste. It would stink to go all the way to the end just to die and lose everything. This also balances it so that people who start from the beginning of the tower have the advantage of socketed gear to prevent more min maxed brought in kits from stomping.

It feels like Dark and Darker is cut into pieces that are not adhered together. The beginning content does not flow very well into the end game content. Going from ultra hard, to ultra giga super hard. It becomes so hard and so expensive, that non-low GS lobbies don’t get played enough.

[cinder dust]

GET DOWN

[viral needle]

yeah dude they cant even get a dungeon thats 1 floors working properly

[night folio]

Oh my an ascension wow player. I thought that game died

[viral needle]

i dont think combining all the maps would help them fix anything, think they need to not add anything new till they fix existing things

[coarse briar]

is the mobile version more balance than the pc?

[viral needle]

the mobile version was a krafton cash grab to steal dark and darker maps/assets and use the name for popularity, now they want nothing to do with dark and darker

[dusk dove]

This is cool but before they even do this they need to address some current largely considered issues in the game. Need yo walk before running.

But I like the idea.

[oak sonnet]

remove fog of war it only helps the cheaters and prohibits legit players

[cinder dust]

jst do what last epoch do,have community polls where dev descions are made mostly off community feedback unless somting is higly egregious

last epochs balancing is usually quite fire

[viral needle]

and if one pole is 50% on both we make SDF and Terance dual to decide which one wins

[gleaming adder]

New players seem like fish food for existing players. I think they need to make modes that helps new players progress. If they can get new players to buy the game, they will have more resources to fix their problems.

[subtle goblet]

sounds familiar oh wait thats what sdf/terry did

[dusk dove]

And what exactly would you even nerf? I’m a warlock player so I’m for sure biased not even gonna lie to you there. But the only “getaway” tool they even have at their disposal is doorway locking with hydra.

[cinder dust]

and phantomise

[viral needle]

except P3 was scrapped and axed, literally was a concept without a working demo even shown for it, all we had were screenshots, also do you thing this would've done good as a nexon game?? have you ever played maple story?? or any other nexon game??

[cinder dust]

yeah that would be in the highly egregious catagory,coz they have data,they look at data see community is being dumb and be like "ye sorry we aint doing this"

[regal wave]

is gold pile weighted to drop turqoise gem, ive gotten 3 royal ones and not a single dotted bangle

[subtle goblet]

you fell for the bait my little fish, im gonna be so good at fishing in this game

[viral needle]

nexon is about the only company i think id support people stealing from, they literally strong arm companies, they're a cancer on the gaming industry

[indigo ginkgo]

You will run out of healing spells, and then die, no?

[coarse briar]

i played maplestory a long ass time ago like prebb

[dusk dove]

Uhhh magic healing definitely isn’t THAT good lol. Not when 2 people have you sandwiched and attack simultaneously.

[viral needle]

they're on the level of adobe in my opinion which is another company i think its okay to steal from

[indigo ginkgo]

Next class needs to be a Necromancer, or we just leave the game.

[cinder dust]

your bait was mid and u caught a tin can,but replying to this i have now willingly eaten said tin can

[coarse briar]

monk is already announced lol

[dusk dove]

I’m reporting you to the authorities. No acrobat for you.

[cinder dust]

atleast i am aware i am eating the tin can '_>' i will now spit it out and wish you a good day

[viral needle]

you'll never stop me from using cracked substance painter lol

[indigo ginkgo]

The Monk class. There are submarines, and there are targets. There are kite classes, and there are dead monks.

[subtle goblet]

ZING

[toxic widget]

The class I want

[coarse briar]

bahaha nice!

i wish they would make a true druid counter

[cinder dust]

ngl this interaction made me laugh thank you xd

[subtle goblet]

🙂

[viral needle]

cant wait for them to add a dropkick to monk that has more range/traversal power than the panther chicken leap

i will say one thing i've noticed is people want shit in this game till its added and they realized the devs did minimal effort to actually add it

[dusk dove]

They could make an ability that’s one time use that could resurrect a dead team mate. But they come back with just 25% health to prevent resurrect spam mid combat.

[scenic wren]

ready for wall runs, dashes and frontflips?

[viral needle]

yeah nah thatll be another veteran player gone when thats added ill be out, they can have fun with like the 15 fortnite kids who play the game and enjoy that shit

[reef onyx]

im down

[viral needle]

you joined in december of corse you are

[onyx pier]

im just curios and at the same time doubt it but dose anyone know if there will be new races in the store any time soon bc there are six unfilled slots in the store

[indigo ginkgo]

Ah, sounds good then, I have to try!!

[viral needle]

this game going FTP was a horrible idea, it just brings a bunch of people who dont care about the game here

[dusk dove]

Man fuck I remember when this game had green health bars. Barbarians were a fucking menace.

[indigo ginkgo]

yo have to buy the game, that isn't FTP

[viral needle]

no you dont not at all lol