game-discussion

[chilly yew]

When does the next season start?

[lusty panther]

Some people got that schmoovement

[winged island]

well thats because if they miss, they end up using more spells and wasting more time sitting

[winged hazel]

Getting skill issued is not a valid argument

[dire anchor]

Warlock class is a ca n cer for this games bossing, solos, and arena

Make warlock sit

[unreal stirrup]

and druid

[winged island]

well hey im not the best, sorry you are and ill keep in my lane then. i just wanted to raise a curiosity that has made me upset.

[ruby fossil]

everyone gets punished for missing. if a barb with a zwei hits a wall while I'm hitting him he most likely insta lost the fight. does that mean the zwei is bad? no

[lusty panther]

Warlock is fine rn. They’re only the best pve and pvp class in the game.

[pallid belfry]

Why are people teaming in solos ?

[untold jetty]

cowards that cant fight alone and take a loss like a man

[pallid belfry]

They are 400 fame aswell its a joke

[ruby fossil]

then they start dm'ing you slurs when you kill them all lmao

[feral plaza]

sdf need to get sense of how the game is goin with sandwitch and "third party" problem. By letting plp join the first 5 min of match is ridicules, its like fertilizing the problem even more. As some of us that play this game, we like doin tasks and want the get the quests done. But letting me run through the hole crypts lookin for boss room, and then it turns out its dead cause i joined the late time/cant find it, ore been looking 4 so long i dont have time to kill it. That shit kill the Fun in this game. And not talk about the hell, WTF IS THE LOGIC OF PORTALS? the map layout is shit, can spend a hole round just lookin for blue portal, have som logic on how the portals is located, like every second room

[winged island]

thats fair onion knight(streamer mode on lol) i just would like to see other classes have to pull out more to regen skills or spells too make things a bit more even.

[lean rover]

I would be more worried about game looking like it's on alpha when it's on EA than thid party issues honestly

[ruby fossil]

yeah I think sitting down is kind of shitty mechanic but I don't know what they could do about that without making many many changes to make the removal of it being forced fair

[kindred briar]

You're asking for sorcerer mecs on wiz and clerk that would be toooo crazy

[lean rover]

I didnt ask for any of that, I asked for a complete different thing

[winged island]

thats fair man, im just a doofus lol so what do i know. i appreciate your contradictions to what i thought my truth should have been and ill try and winge less.

[kindred briar]

lol think if warlock only had 7 curse of pains and he had to camp fire. I think that would fix the class lol

[lusty panther]

i had to turn dms off. that sh* is so toxic lol

[ruby fossil]

yep it reminds me of rust

[barren mortar]

goblin caves dead map

[red nacelle]

Go to Cave troll , promise youll find people lol

[lean rover]

Warlock can cast as long as it has hp and thats ok, sorc has cd's and that's ok too, wizard and the others have to sit down or camp to get their spells back, which is ok but still would benefit from some kind of passive regen, not too much, that gives ticks each certain amount of time and very slowly they regen charges, I think this should be added by now

You don't need to nerf to balance, that 's a common missconception

[glacial reef]

How to combine spells with Sorcerer?

[lean rover]

Get the perk, get two spells that can be combined, cast them and hit r

[wintry python]

i have a clip of teamers where do i send it to get them banned ?

[gentle gyro]

should be 'r' by default

[glacial reef]

Nothing gets casted

[gentle gyro]

they need to be compatible as well. Check in the spells category

[lean rover]

Uhm well, you equip a spell in left hand, another in right hand, if the spells can be combined it should let you

[glacial reef]

doesn't work, got firearrow in Q and windblast in E, doesn't work

[velvet imp]

how i combine spells on my sorceror; don't 😅

fr tho spell combining sucks doodoo i wouldn't waste time with it right now, i feel like the better option is 10 spell with a book + apex + instant cast, stack reso to the moon and you end up with a 5 sec cooldown on wind blast, water bolt, and fire arrows

[wintry python]

where can i report teamers

[chilly patio]

Do you have the perk

[glacial reef]

I see

[gentle gyro]

so you're holding one spell fully casted and another fully casted, then combining with 'r' and nothing's happening? Do you have the spell merge perk active?

[velvet imp]

stack true mag so your burns do crazy ticks, and true is applied 3x to fire arrows and like 6 times to flamestrike

since fire arrows hits 3 times, 5 true magic becomes +15 damage on the hits (per cast)

[glacial reef]

fully casted as holding left click then right click? or how exactly

[velvet imp]

benefit of resourceror is that nobody wants or values resourcefulness gear so it's dirt cheap, even with true mag - legendary rat pendant with true mag + other good stats = ~300g

yes fully casted - you're kinda trolling if you aren't taking instant cast

combining spells without instant cast perk is not feasible

trust me i've tried to make it work but it's just too slow in pvp AND pve

[glacial reef]

Ah I see, sorry I JUST started the game so I know absolutely nothing
I can change character though, should I?

[lean rover]

If you just started maybe you should play something more simple

[velvet imp]

oh thats alright, i can see that you're new to the discord but yeah makes sense

sorceror is kind of complex and does a loooot better with gear, i recommend starting with less skill/game knowledge demanding classes

you need really good APM to play a sorceror even somewhat effectively so

[glacial reef]

Hm I can manage with the sorcerer if that's it's only problem
What's APM?

[lean rover]

Actions per minute

[red nacelle]

If you're new to the game i highly recommend changing classes. Sorc is still in development and could change tomorrow , its also the highest learning curve and most challenging of the classes in my opinion. Do you want to play a spellcaster specifically or just a ranged class?

[glacial reef]

idk I just see spell casting is op in most games since if played well it can do alot of things and be pretty good at it

[velvet imp]

i'll recommend you an easier setup to learn sorc with then, it's what i'm playing atm - APM is actions per minute, sorc involves a lot of switching spells

perks; Apex of Sorcery, Spell Sculpting, Mana Fold, Time Distortion

spells; Windblast, Fire Arrows, Water Bolt, Flamestrike, Fire Orb
Ice Spear, Eruption, Lightning Sphere, Lightning Bolt, Vortex - these spells are listed from left to right in order of priority of having the memory capacity to cast them, use some mem capacity bonus gear or knowledge for this

for gear, use pieces with resourcefulness in its highest number you can get, as well as +true magical damage and other magic damage stats - agility is nice too for extra move speed. use a spell book, don't combine spells, and just run around cycling all of your instant casts.

[glacial reef]

Alright sounds good

[velvet imp]

Warlock is a much less complicated caster class though it does have less range than the other two, and uses its own health to cast spells as a cost

warlocks are the only one out of warlock/wiz/sorc that can heal themselves as a result

[red nacelle]

Spellcaster in this game get better with more gear (Will) so early on when your learning and with squire gear (if you havent looked at the squire yet , you need to) they are pretty weak. If you are playing solo I would go with fighter/barbarian/warlock , team play it really depends on what role you want to fill.

@glacial reef Just remember that in this game Movespeed is king regardless of the class , then whatever stat fits your character second. If you havent looked yet , check out the squire. Hes the one who sets your gear every match after you die. You can edit what your default gear is through him. And you unlock new stuff you can select by doing the other merchants quests.

[velvet imp]

this is basically random bullshit go; the build btw

[glacial reef]

I see, Alright I'll mess around with classes and gear and see how it turns out. Thanks alot both of you :D
How to extract btw as well 😭 ?

[lean rover]

How pretty weak because casters are one tapping people in 0-24

[velvet imp]

depends on the map - look for blue marked icons on the minimap/map, portals, stairways, ropes, elevators, and the ice map has a raft escape

i recommend making your #1 priority in each game finding one of these, over looting

[glacial reef]

I see

[red nacelle]

Spellcasters are not one tapping people in 0-24 what are you on about?

[lean rover]

Uhm I can one shot someone, one spell in the head and they are gone

[red nacelle]

No your not.

[woeful wren]

Press X to doubt

[timber girder]

what is the % of gem drop from troll, the wiki is broken

[lean rover]

Ok group with me and I will 1 shot you, then you come here and apologize

And don't give false information if you dont know the topic, that would be helpful too

[winged hazel]

I one shot a rogue with an ele bolt to the head but thats rogue and also no good player is going to let you ele bolt them lol

[red nacelle]

hahahaha anytme you want bud. Ill play rogue with no head gear , you hit me with whatever your want in the head 0-24 lobby. 100% i live with at least 25% health

[subtle heart]

I agree with dont need to nerf to balance. But if you think sorcerer or warlock is balanced right now you need to play against good players who understand them and know how to abuse it.
I know how to abuse a sorcerer for example.
2 wind spells that throw people back and deal toons of damage. 1.0 will
like 3 to 4 spells that can be put on a door and if the person chose to pass by it, will get absurds amount of damage.
more like 2 or 3 spells that block some place.
A combine spells that teleport.
3 to 4 spells that have tick damage. And the damage is absurdly high.

Lightning `` bolt ``` still is broken when you focus on damage.

Sorcerer is by far an unbalance class. You just need to spend some cash on ressourceness and will. Use a book and boon. You have a better wizard in every single way.
There is 2 or 3 spells that you can one shot people. I mean, more than 120 flat damage. discounting 20 to 25 mdr.

[lean rover]

Sorcs one shot people in 0-24

[ruby fossil]

I can get 97% mag power with apex in 0 - 24 flamefrost spear will one shot you lol

[subtle heart]

In 124 in 225 and in 225+ too. Just need to build it. And that is not right. One shot with a ranged atack.

[fluid apex]

Magic power scaling has been broke for years and it’s all been an issue, Ironmace doesn’t know what they are doing

[velvet imp]

if somebody gets hit in the head with FF spear then they absolutely deserved to be one shotted

[lean rover]

And here this guy saying they are not, if you gonna say somethinga t least be certain, you can not only one shot people you can also do it from many rooms if you have a clearshot

[ruby fossil]

true I think I've gotten hit by one or two ever

[lean rover]

Casters are not weak in grey lobbies, obviously they become stronger with gear but weak? They are not

[red nacelle]

I never said they arent strong. I said 0-24 casters are much weaker than when they have gear. And nobody is one shotting me in 0-24 with any spell my guy. Youre a crazy person.

[empty loom]

bossing feels impossible with RNG inferno now

[velvet imp]

tbf i think flamefrost spear can do it but i'm not sure that counts really - opponent has to be afk to be hit by it

[lean rover]

Ok you clearly don't know what you're talking about or you must be new, just 6 guys told you its possible and here you are saying its not

[red nacelle]

No they didnt. You're reading skills need some work bud.

[fluid apex]

if you get hit by levitation or vortex FF spear it’s an easy hit

[lean rover]

You can 1 shot with flamebolt and spear also, u need the headshot

[ruby fossil]

ele bolt in the head should as well

[cyan fox]

I just had some barb fly through a room to my melee, well well well

[lean rover]

If you have apex you can almost 1 shot with a body hit as well

[velvet imp]

ya probably on about half the classes in roster.. but not all i don't think, you'd need some ticks

i'm not sure a barb is getting 1 shot by ele bolt under any circumstances, but a rogue for sure

[ruby fossil]

should hit for 147.5 (no burn) in the head with 97% mag power so def not barb

[red nacelle]

You guys are out of touch lol. Ele bolt in the head MAYBE one taps a rogue and thats a big maybe your assuming hes naked too with no mag res , the other classes , no shot - 0-24 of course

[lean rover]

Please stop, honestly. You are wrong.

[subtle heart]

the spear and the other spells both one shot people. And they dont travel distance or falling on distance like a arrow do. I killed many rogues across a big space room by throwing that spells on the heads while they where hidding.
That is bad for the game.

[woeful wren]

The only way you are one tapping with sorc is if you run your entire build into it, and essentially become useless after you blow your load.

[velvet imp]

yeah the ticks might kill a 0 vig barb.. but i think there is a bit of a leap between "casters can one shot in 0-24" and "sorceror has two specific arguably overtuned spells with good base numbers and scaling that can sometimes get one shot kills if you get a head shot on 80% of the classes in the game"

[red nacelle]

finally someone who knows what their talking about

[fluid apex]

just remove wizard warlock and sorcerer who needs casters in this game

[velvet imp]

this is also true, i agree with this - playing sorc a lot lately, you either build for frequent casts that do mid damage, or giga damage that renders you a run away bot for 20s at a time

[red nacelle]

you sound like youve been playing this game for a week. Get out of 0-24s anyway

[lean rover]

Yeah but no one is talkinga bout that, sorcs one shot in grey lobbies, they are not weak at all, we don't ge tinto specifics this guy said they dont but they do so he's wrong

[subtle heart]

Sorcerer have like 4 to 6 spells that one shot you in any gear lvl. spear the red big one, the ground atack. All this atacks can one shot people.
If you are barbarian off course will not one shot you. But a rogue ? a druid ? yeah it will.

[red nacelle]

Sorcs do not one shot in 0-24 unless its literally someone AFK with no magic resist and is a super squish

[lean rover]

I understand that you are angry because I corrected you, you are wrong just admit it and let it go

[woeful wren]

I have never seen a single sorc even when making their entire build into it onetap anyone that wasnt already wounded. And thats ofc assuming they get a headshot even. You might get a oneshot with the ground AOE spells that do a bit of tick damage, but thats more on the foe for just standing there.

[fluid apex]

sorcerer does one shot in most lobbies

[true wagon]

4 spectral fabrics is more than i know what to do with i cant make the coinbag because im not high enough leather and i dont ever have my golden chest filled

[little depot]

how much is a skull key worth guys

[fluid apex]

4 golden keys

[red nacelle]

4-6 spells that one shot at any gear level? and youve been playing what 3 days?

[lean rover]

One shot is one shot

[red nacelle]

no it sbecause you "tried" correcting me helping a new player with bad information lol.

[woeful wren]

Im pretty sure you been oneshotting wounded people, or very low hp classes maybe.

[fluid apex]

if you get hit by levitation or vortex you can easily get hit by FF spear which it’s dumb

[ruby fossil]

lmao def not 4 - 6 spells it's like 1 - 2 unless you count standing in flamestrike for full duration

[subtle heart]

I had 150 fame sorc, i played a lot on 225+. I abuse it a lot. Its not fun but will make you rich. Sorcerer is unbalanced and yeah you can kill peopl with one shot spells.
With the right gear i easyly kill anyone even iron will barbarians.

[lean rover]

Because you gave bad information, sorc one shots you with 1 spell in the head, flamebolt sometimes and flamespear for sure, you can say I'm wrong but it's a fact, invit eme and I will one shot you with white gear on

[red nacelle]

you have reading comprehensive issues. its impossible to have a conversation with you. moving on....

[velvet imp]

i got demigod already on warlock so i've been messing around on sorc since then, and yeah sorc is kind of in an awkward spot right now.. building for will and damage doesn't feel good with instant cast because cooldowns become too long.. it feels a lot better to stack resourcefulness + true damage and spam like crazy imo, i'm currently running 54 resourcefulness and it makes my fire arrows a 4.5s~ cooldown

[subtle heart]

The slow red spell who became weaker as range go is one of the most damaging spells on the game. And is 1.0 to grow up in power.
You can say it slow and people never get hit by.
Now imagine someone rushing into you, and you can cast it, instant. Yeah i killed a lot of fighters/barbs that way.

[fluid apex]

getting demigod on warlock is like playing on easy mode

[woeful wren]

Sorc's main problem is most of its cool spells need to combo, so its often taking longer in fights for a sorc to be relevant yeah. Maybe its better in solo's idk, but in 2-3 groups sorcs get rushed.

[velvet imp]

hence why i did warlock first 😅

[lean rover]

Still waiting for you to give me your account name so I can invite you and one shot you so you can understand u are wrong, waiting in the lobby

[reef onyx]

can someone tell me, does soul collector give +1 all attributes for each soul?

[subtle heart]

best sorcerer is book sorcerer will/true magic/ ressourc/ hp this 4 elements

[ruby fossil]

actually tragic tbh

[red nacelle]

Soul shards do. You dont need soul collector (although no reason not too) you can also use Spell Predation and steal buffs

[fluid apex]

you get 5 darkness shards, with soul collector you can get one shard per mob kill…. If you don’t run soul collector you can use spell predation and remove buffs to get shards

[velvet imp]

ya im currently playing book resourceror and it's great fun, so much damage.. fun slinging all the different instants too

[subtle heart]

No dude that is for noobs. You almost never merge a spell. You can even play without the skill. All sorcerer spells deals toons of damage with a book on hand. So you have 10 spells. You always will have an instant spell to atack so you can keep pressure for ever.

[velvet imp]

i don't even take spell merge perk

[woeful wren]

Dunno whenever i see sorcs they usually friendly fire more than anything.

[subtle heart]

wizard also. Both cast spells that most friends get into it.

[dire anchor]

warlock is a c anc er for this games Bossing, Arena, and solos mode

[woeful wren]

Wizard spells are easier to aim overall

[fluid apex]

why do you think the top1 in arena and HR are both warlocks

[red nacelle]

Anyone struggling with Sorc i always tell to stop merging spells. Ele bolt is the only i really use , otherwise just single spell casting

[subtle heart]

No its not. Warlock was weak before the path. They overbuff it. Now is oppressive. They just need to balance it.
Warlock right now killed druid, cleric and bard. They are unplayble vs warlock and they where good match.

[woeful wren]

Warlock's always been a bit BS because it gets a free get out of jail card against non magic classes

[red nacelle]

Warlock needs a rework imo. They cant seem to find the right spot for them. Phantamize should just be removed from the game also.

[subtle heart]

True, but wizard is weak compared to sorcerer.
Wizard evade spells just evade and are not much good at it. You can cast haste / invs and they are just ok.

Now sorcerer you can put a water buble on a door, 3 even.
You can push 2 times, with 2 air spells.
You can block a door merging doing the spell that throw people into air.
You can destroy doors with 3 diferent spells.

You can all insta cast
You dont spend spells. You have infinite.

[subtle heart]

Funny. On your sentence you say anyone struggling with sorc always tell to stop merging . But them you say you only use bolt. Omg you correct yourself on your sentence.

[lean rover]

Well he doesn't play sorc so

[red nacelle]

I meant Ele bolt is the only merge spell i use.

[subtle heart]

Forgot to say.

All sorcerer spells even the ones who push enemies does damage. Have greater area so u dont need to aim so much.
And sorcerer can use long sword parries.

[subtle heart]

So merge is bad. There is like 14 merge spells and you use only one.
The fact is, you dont even need merge. There is good spells. There is 3 merge spells that make the one shot sorcerer viable, the bolt is one of them, the spear another. Stacking damage and true phys they do more than 120 damage.

[lean rover]

Playing sorc and not merging is like playing bard and not using music

[red nacelle]

hahah stay mad. I do play Sorc , you just need to get out of 0-24 and learn to play the actual game

[woeful wren]

I dont know, i still get waaaaay more kills with wizard than sorc, overall i have an easier time fighting people. Sorcs never give me trouble unless they are pushing me with their entire team, and my team is in narnia.

[red nacelle]

Yes , i was agreeing with you? lmao

[woeful wren]

Hes got a point tho, merge is what gets most sorcs killed, or their team killed.

[lean rover]

He doesn't know sorcs can one shot people so don't give him much credit

[subtle heart]

Is because sorcerer is harder to play. Your brain need to understand he is entire diferent thing than wizard. That is the cool about the game. But they need to balance damage.
Wizard is easy, you have 3 to 4 damage spells. Some times you can have like 4 to 5. But not much more than that. And some spell do evade.

[dense berry]

Every single time I open this chat someone is being toxic. Is this really healthy behavior?

[ruby fossil]

yes very healthy trust me I am licensed

[woeful wren]

If you hit the spell, on the head, in a teamfight. Then you need to wait on cooldowns, oh woops the melee on their side is stabbing you.

[red nacelle]

the only one being toxic right now is Silenko. Everyone else is just having healthy discussion so far

[dense berry]

Oh OK, fair enough, carry on

[lean rover]

Thats why you have to position

[oak tapir]

where do you get the new emote where you smoke out green vape

[winged hazel]

Its a tavern master quest, “Happy Hour”

[subtle heart]

Sorcerer is hard to play right. Im medium to low player with sorcerer and when i did play i could kill like 2 people against me. Was really easy, just have good MS, understand the merge is bad most of the time.
I used merge to bolt and teleport. And some times just throw lots of spells killed both.

[lean rover]

It's a goblin quest

[red nacelle]

He was talking about @subtle heart saying you dont need to merge spells. Man remember that reading comprehension thing? You should double check stuff before you send.

[upper quartz]

how muxh affinity do you need on the alchemist to craft the grimsmile ring?

[woeful wren]

Ill give no merge a shot, should i stack knownledge? for spellcast

[smoky jetty]

buff barb pls

[subtle heart]

Dude you have 10 spells at your disposal. Even if you dont stack ressourceness you never get out of spells.
Also you have a long sword you can parry atacks.

[velvet imp]

take instant cast, ignore knowledge - get mem cap bonus/add memcap - stack reso to the moon

[subtle heart]

book will add memory and memory bonus.
You need mostly will true magi hp ressourceness and be light to have good ms. 315 is a minimum.

[wispy grail]

Oh woops you have an electric forcefield and wind spell to keep everything but an iron will barbarian off of you

[subtle heart]

225+ i play most sorcerer are this way. is impossible to anything but barbarian to kill it if they dont get third party.\

[median holly]

He should at least do more damage people here are saying that sorcs are doing one tap from two modules away, give our barb more 20hp 5% power bonus and some MR please

[woeful wren]

Idk man, sorcs to me have been free kills.

[subtle heart]

100

[winged hazel]

Wait till you see a bunny hopping apex no merger lmao shits terrifying

[upper quartz]

tyty

[subtle heart]

against iron will barbs you just need ms. depending weapon you can pre fire them use long sword parry.
And you can always door block with some spells and levitate them.

Oh forgot to say. If you cast levitate on someone is a free head shot spell. And enemy cant do anything about it.

[velvet imp]

literally what i'm doing rn

[wispy grail]

Because 9/10 of them aren't good at the class, remembering which spells can be combined/situational awareness to know which spells to use and when is 90% of the class

[woeful wren]

All that makes me mald now at days is a warlock, tossing a shitload of spells, then phamtonizing away into another postal code. I even love getting landmined rogue, but just warlocks fleeing, irks me. I will take 50000 full fighter stacks over a warlock.

[subtle heart]

true. sorcerer is hardcore to master. even more dificult than druid.

[median holly]

But can he cast faster than an iron will 330ms one hit axe can kill him?

[red nacelle]

100% i dont mind dying to really any other class , Warlocks are cancer, its mostly just phantamize but still

[subtle heart]

yep is insta cast 10 spells. imagine you have 10 spells most deals more than 50 damage.

[winged hazel]

No unfortunately barbarian runs them over 😦

[fringe garnet]

Nonsense. Apex of Sorcery, + some knowledge, + true damage + will.

Then cast lightning storm and blam them

[woeful wren]

I dont even die to warlocks most of the time, they just annoy me because they are making me waste healing.

[subtle heart]

And you can cast 2 at same time. I recomend cast with a book. But against a pusher sometimes is better to just cast 2 at one time.

[subtle heart]

that is strong, but you lose the mobility you need to fight some people you have bad match like iron will barbs. Before the overnerf druid panther was a bad match, now druid shifter is just a bad joke.

[fringe garnet]

Alternatively, use TP to get through all doors in Ruins/Crypts and just run away

[tropic viper]

does additional magical apply to boc

[ruby fossil]

yes

[fringe garnet]

Ye but only like 75% of it I think

[subtle heart]

nope, is normal. if you use book you add the damage on sorcerer spell.

[fringe garnet]

He's talking about BoC on Warlock

[ruby fossil]

bro

[subtle heart]

oh ok.

[tropic viper]

boc like chicken boc boc boc

[sturdy coral]

🐔

[red nacelle]

anyone else having issues with the continuous lobbies? keep loading back into the same games with the same people

[fringe garnet]

🍞
🐔
🍞

[tropic viper]

this on god

[fringe garnet]

There was a time I loaded into HR, found/killed Warlord, extracted, and then rejoined that same game

[cerulean crypt]

that's just how it's meant to work

[red nacelle]

Is the playerbase really that small that theres only 1 server at a time running per region?

[median holly]

You killed the boss and instantly left?

[dusty coral]

as a rogue main i must say, rogue needs nerf lmfao its just too ez

[fringe garnet]

Yes

[median holly]

I hate to say but in this case you're the problem

[fringe garnet]

Well, I don't hate to say, but you'd be damned to think I'm hanging around for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th parties.

[ruby fossil]

nah bro let me kill you

[subtle heart]

rogues are being like barbarian, never being weak. and they are always strong. But that is not because they need a nerf, most classes that countered it did got a big nerf, like druid, cleric, bard.

[fringe garnet]

Fine, kill me, TAKE the 92,716th Legendary Great Helm

[ruby fossil]

20 gold is 20 gold

[red nacelle]

Barb needs a buff

[fringe garnet]

I think it's 80

[subtle heart]

hell no. But i would change the blood exchange perk to be actually viable. They buffet too much and them they overnerf it.
Warlock will prob suffer same fate.

[ruby fossil]

it could be 1 gold I will still want it

[fringe garnet]

Best way to balance Rogues is to make all daggers function like Felling Axe where they have a hefty wait time to attack again after missing

[ruby fossil]

heard. added +10 base wep damage to rondel

[fringe garnet]

Noo

[red nacelle]

Barb sucks , need big buff

[dusty coral]

tbh the only nerf rogue needs is removal of stab twist on kris

[cerulean crypt]

Honestly yes. The playerbase is too small for there to be several different instances going in the same GS range, game mode, map, region and layer at any given moment.

[fringe garnet]

Rondel Dagger also needs an attack combo that isn't infinite stabs.

[subtle heart]

Sad they complaing about the hatchet and blood exchange and them they maded druid / healer almost same shit...

I must say blood exchange was strong but i dont think was breaking the mage like people say. A bear druid would mostly not get hit by.
And good players can just avoid the 12 secds. Was an 1 time skill, and you need to camp fire to grab it back. You could just avoid entirely.
They overnerf to a point is useless now.

[fringe garnet]

And true damage needs to be fucking gone.

[subtle heart]

wow, tought i was the only one thinking about that.
Need to be 24 and 24+ high roller and thats it.
Is noobs and normal people.

[dusty coral]

i agree true damage is really dumb and shouldnt exist lol

[wet temple]

warlocks and rogues circle jerk each other proven fact

[sturdy coral]

you'd have to massively buff armor pen if you remove true damage (or massively nerf armor/MR in general)

[fringe garnet]

I just wanna know why Ironmace is so adamant on repeating their mistakes

[subtle heart]

agree.

[ruby fossil]

turn fighter into exodia speedrun

[cerulean crypt]

Blood Exchange post-buff was insanely broken and essentially unbeatable in melee by anything. Before it was buffed it was off-meta but still pretty good. Now it actively hurts you to even run. They should have undid the buff instead of nerfing it.

[sturdy coral]

they're not but it's cool, remove whole useful rolls and add more trash ones fr

[subtle heart]

They listen to the community Wich is based on 90% noobs who dont understand what they are doing. And 10 % of players who actually use skills in the right way.

[red nacelle]

if you have space you just kite them and they die. Classes have so much get away and Barb has 1 slow. Idk thyre strong if you try tio face tank them and fight , but easily countered by any longsword worth their salt as well

[median holly]

Glad devs still have braincells to not do this

[dusty coral]

make blocking better, remove true = game much gudder

[subtle heart]

agree man. They killed the skill.

[woeful wren]

Listening to the top 10 percent always breaks the game.

[fringe garnet]

They listen to streamers more than anything. But streamers would rather get whatever they don't like nerfed.

[sturdy coral]

I've been maining lantern shield last wipe and this wipe, still don't understand why ppl say blocking is broken. sounds like a spacing issue

[median holly]

Good for who?

[cerulean crypt]

Me when I use an ability that reduces my EHP for no benefit :)

[subtle heart]

That time was not countered by long sword, because the hit box of the hatchet was not the actual animation.
I think they fix it now but dunno.

[red nacelle]

then they need to take away continuous dungeons. They just dont have the playerbase to support all of this. I end up in the same game with the same people constantly

[sturdy coral]

people out here putting up their shield against an enemy who is literally kissing their forehead... yea bud I don't think the shield was gonna save you anyway

[ruby fossil]

I can consistently drag my spear through shields as ranger that should not be a thing lol

[dusty coral]

a weapon shouldnt hit through shield , not talkin impact. Rock a buckler and experience what im talking about.

[sturdy coral]

that's only possible because of the spear's reach? plus if the shield user is far enough away you can't teleport it inside their head anyway...

[subtle heart]

right now you have people who will die, rejoin the server where they died and pursue you with information of the previous dead because the player base is so low and they trying to get together badly.
If they did what im saying. Was just going to be region and 2 instances of matchmaking witch will make more people see each other.

[fringe garnet]

https://youtu.be/wBeKsnodg7U?si=le_AcIp7LXAsZqEA

[cerulean crypt]

I hear people complain about blocking all the time but it's genuinely pretty good. I don't really see the issue other than a handful of attacks with wonky hitboxes that don't collide with the shield (think pre-nerf Hatchet).

[woeful wren]

Yeah blocking is a tad broken, not sure whats causing it, we arent talking about hitting around the shield, but through it without the impact breaking the guard.

[median holly]

If you're getting in and out in less than 5 minutes it seems like a you problem

[ruby fossil]

rapier can do it too

[subtle heart]

continuous dungeon is fun when in parties. For solos, mostly in HR is really bad because the dificulty of mobs put too much pressure in solos.

[red nacelle]

5 mins? where are you pulling that number from. Server starts at 15min game time. People can keep joining all the way down to only 7mins left.

[sturdy coral]

yes, actually, a weapon SHOULD hit through a shield if you do your side right... why should blocking in this game be so boring as other games? every hit box and hurt box in this game is based on the physical model. If you wanna change that just to make blocking marginally better, you're compromising a huge principal of what makes the game good in the first place

[cerulean crypt]

Blocking itself doesn't need fixed. Some attack animations do.

[sturdy coral]

imagine you sit there with your shield in front of you and are able to block every attack that comes at you. the game would be awful

[woeful wren]

If you swing into a shield you shouldnt go through it, you should get chambered like with walls if you want full hitboxes, do it right.

[fringe garnet]

Everyone knows shields are just here to be a pdr/damage statstick

[red nacelle]

You know what nevermind your rtight. When i run to the boss , we fight and you lose , you should be able to just re-queue and come right back before im able to even kill it...

[sturdy coral]

that's funny because they DO it right already! on certain weapons you can catch the sour spot and block the sweet spot!

[median holly]

Already saw two videos debunking this, people can't join after 5 min, me myself and after watching multiple streams never saw someone joining 7 min like you're talking about, you should post some proof

[subtle heart]

block kill any druid shifter form. Like any. If you understand how to the shifter can't hit you.
Shifter atacks are pretty bad. Bear - 25 action speed was a ridiculous nerf and even before that bear cant atack something that up. So if you just jump into a torch or a box bear cant hit you. Same is for all forms.
Druid shifter was bad but now is dead to the ground.
From all classes druid is shitiest of them all. Healer druid is viable, but only kill melees. Anything with ms and ranged will kite to the dead.

[pearl valley]

here is a big game improvement suggestion:
Removal of crypts from arena - or just remove spike traps and make the map brighter
Add a shimmer to rogue hide
Game = fixed

[dusty coral]

they add block stamina and fix blocking it would be dope i think personally.

[woeful wren]

Im not talking about people hitting the top of the shield and hitting my head with the blade, thats fine, it makes sense. Im talking about people swinging in my face through the shield and not getting chambered.

[sturdy coral]

fuck no that's even worse man wtf

[red nacelle]

Well i've done it everyday since they rolled it out , join games with only 7-8 mins remaining. Nothing has been debunked on this , no idea what your on about.

[fringe garnet]

Saying Ironmace does blocking right is like saying Italy is the world's best pizza

[subtle heart]

they actualy prety good. vs druid they kill the shifter and against ranged atack / spells they defend you well while you close gap.

[sturdy coral]

yeah again, you don't have that issue if you're spaced properly, but it seems a lot of you in the chat are letting the ranger spear you in the face or getting landmined by a rogue i guess

[cyan fox]

"From all classes druid is shitiest of them all"
lmao

[ruby fossil]

mfw I give the ranger all of his space back so he doesn't hit me through the shield

[sturdy coral]

literally been spamming nothing but lantern shield all wipe, since they added client side predictive blocking it's so easy lmao you don't even have to actually block it in most cases, just spam the block

[cerulean crypt]

I haven't got any proof but I'm almost certain people can join after 5 min. I don't know when the exact cut off is, but I'm almost certain I've joined after 10 min mark. I'll take evidence next time it happens.

[woeful wren]

Im sure you space perfectly every game forever bro, so true bro. Nah the blocking in the game is genuinely broken, it doesnt work consistently with how the rest of the game works. People should be getting chambered, they arent, specially with some weapons that have badly made hitboxes.

[sturdy coral]

🤔 almost like weapon swapping has an animation to exploit

[subtle heart]

for me, i dont like rogues. But i would nerf it like that.
Even more, they need to remove the purple stuff from rogue. Rogue is supose to be stealthy. THey can change him but not nerf like that. They will break the fun of the class. The unique playstyle.

[ruby fossil]

if you are close enough for that to matter they already messed up

[sturdy coral]

I don't claim to be a god gamer who spaces perfectly, but TO BLOCK YOU SHOULD SPACE PROPER it's so simple

[smoky jetty]

yes pls make him 1 shot people while being faster than the majority of all classes and being also even more tankier than a fighter by adding 150hp up to 200hp in squire gear, please!

[sturdy coral]

improve blocking my ass man ppl don't even jiggle for arrows

[red nacelle]

hes just talking out his ass. Go play Goblin caves or ice cavern for more than 5 mins and he'll see. I join games constantly with only 7-8 mins left. Its as you said earlier there arent enough players for multiple servers.

[woeful wren]

The fact is you keep screaming about a tactic to work around what is clearly a badly made mechanic, instead of asking the devs to simply fix it, and make weapons chamber when swinging infront of a shield, like they do with -ANY OTHER INGAME OBJECT-

[crisp bough]

is it possible to attack using a flute?

[sturdy coral]

you keep saying this like it's a gotcha kind of thing, but it's not. you can chamber ANY WEAPON witha sour spot

[unborn cape]

only riposte

[crisp bough]

alright

[subtle heart]

tell me a class that is stronger than druid and show me why. Any class right now is a bad match to a druid shifter. A druid healer can kill some melee, but die to any ranged class that can kite.

[normal nexus]

Warlock.

[ruby fossil]

this guy is just trolling there's no good argument for a weapon to pass through your shield and hit you

[woeful wren]

I know lol

[sturdy coral]

if you're having trouble with blocking you should take your friend into a duo and practice... this isn't chivalry, this isn't for honor or mordhau or mount and blade, you don't get huge shield hitboxes and guaranteed guards. you have to physically put the shield on the weapon to get iit to block

[hardy hornet]

Is luck still broken?

[ruby fossil]

yes bud then you do that and they hit you anyway

[sturdy coral]

you have to catch the weapon with the block. and guess what, if the enemy's animation goes out forward from them? you gotta catch the PART THAT COMES OUT FORWARD 🤯

[woeful wren]

I dont have trouble blocking at all, its my main tactic on fighter, i have trouble with people just kissing my face to bypass it making the shield a pointless statstick.

[cyan fox]

Oh you meant the word shit like strong, in this case I do agree druid either has a good matchup or just goes away

[normal nexus]

alot of times, to counter, look straight up

[shy isle]

Can we pls lower the value for brave hunters? a blue pair of pants shouldent have the value exceeding a unique pair and adding purple amount of rolls onto it. its just too much

[sturdy coral]

but no, let's "fix" blocking and make it so it's kite shield vs warhammers only. it's as silly as ppl who come out and try to say "remove druid" or "remove true damage" like cmon think a little about the impact of what you're saying

[solid cypress]

does stacking debuff duration work for wizard? like fire will tick for longer?

[hardy hornet]

The only issue I see with druid is they have WAYYY to much movement

[tulip pagoda]

ive killed yeti AT LEAST 60 times and never found a tooth.

[subtle heart]

no dude, druid is the worst class right now. Is the weakest.

[ruby fossil]

yeah it's either shields are broken or you have a for honor guard no inbetween

[cyan fox]

but did you ask him beforehand

[hard rock]

Can I borrow a few things from you I need how they say a rocket launcher crossbow

[shy isle]

debuff duration reduces debuffs on yourself. buff duration increases buffs on yourself. theses stats only affect you

[subtle heart]

Lol, warlock was weaker than druid and druid was its natural counter. But right now with +5 and unbufed stuff. warlock smack any druid.

[normal nexus]

Strongest class is warlock by a longshot, usually / always is #1 on lb, destroys arenas and is the most consistent in arenas, especially with 1v3s

[woeful wren]

People saying warlock is weak are smoking some strong shit, pass me some.

[normal nexus]

BOC warlock is actually crazy rn

[median holly]

Most sane comment 100% true and based

[subtle heart]

i would say warlock nd sorcerer are the strognest right now fallowed by close barbarian/rogue

[woeful wren]

Weakest class overall is probably rogue as it is very situational against most classes, landmine etc works, sure, situational.

[normal nexus]

I ran a HR with BOC, a perfect roll cinder, +5 and i was two tapping anyone

[median holly]

Hope they one day buff Barb to be at least as good as warlock

[hardy hornet]

Right now yes warlock is the strongest. Its always on the top of the leaderboard because of how good it is at killing bosses

[normal nexus]

Barb is crazy strong right now, weakest class can be argued though

[cyan fox]

It needs gear but defo not the weakeast. Just invis creep to someone, what is he gonna do ?

[subtle heart]

you are insane.
Here some weak rogue show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNf20_FMTyI&ab_channel=Dimo-DarkandDarker

Rogue and barbarian are consistently the only classes in the game that where never weak.

[normal nexus]

not even bossing, pvp is crazy. if you have 2 mobs dotted and ur 1v1ing someone, you will win every time

[woeful wren]

Yeah as said, ambushing is strong, but if you get caught in any situation that you arent ready, you get clapped. You gotta jump most classes to win, assuming equal skill and gear.

Dungeons are very chaotic right now, specially in duos and trios, rogues shine in ambushes, but otherwise seem to be meat for the grinder.

[cerulean crypt]

'strongest class' doesn't actually mean anything honestly.

[hardy hornet]

Is luck still broken tho

[sturdy coral]

ya bc what does 'strongest' mean to a solo player in uncapped HR? a trios play in <24?

[woeful wren]

Has 1 button to flee from any non magical class free of charge, so basically a free get out of jail card for missplays against non magic classes. Its probably one of the classes that counters the most amount of classes.

[steep turtle]

Hi, im looking for some gold investors, any volunteer?

[tulip pagoda]

yeah and its fucking retarted there are mobs in arena. gives warlock insta massive advatage

[hard rock]

Can anyone help me with elden ring shadow of the erdtree final boss

[subtle heart]

but that is the playstyle of rogue. Druid before nerfs was mostly close to that. People complaining about druid was mostly because the char itself was good to get in and out of a fight. So druid was the best to chose when to fight.
Rogue works the same, you engage or desingage with invs when you want it. Rogue is really a powerfull class you just need to adopt its playstyle. He was never being weak like druid is right now.

[cerulean crypt]

Well, it's not free. You're either giving up BoC or spells to have that.

[woeful wren]

My point is it is the "weakest" compared to others as it is indeed good only in ambush. This isnt to say rogue is useless, but other classes simply have more flexible playstyles than rogue.

[subtle heart]

strongest class means a average player with average gear can kill and experience player more often with better gear.
That is why barbarian is on top charts.

[cerulean crypt]

In what situation? On what map? What class is your opponent playing? What kind of gear are they running? What kind of gear are you running? Do you have teammates? If so what class are they?

[sturdy coral]

sounds like he's talking about solos

[woeful wren]

Warlock is generally good in almost any situation, it can easily flee and heal itself unless it is being chased by a magical class, and even then said magical class may not be able to keep up with a warlock anyway. Or secure the kill as the warlock leads 5000 mobs around the map.

[sturdy coral]

also how funny is it that we're still talking about phantomize even though there's another whole class that can AOE them and slaughter them easily

[subtle heart]

You can do 3 things with rogue that will destroy most classes.
Bring 20 throwing knifes and invest in poison damage. You will kill people just by throwing knife.
You can invest in HP and PDR, you can have a 55 to 65 rogue pdr trading blows with barbarians. Rogue deal more damage if you dont miss the atacks. So a a pdr hp rogue will kill anyone in close trade blows.

Also you can have a rogue MS focused with cuthroat and poison, hit and run. This will break most classes as well.
That is the natural playstyle of rogue.

[steep turtle]

Im looking for some gold investors, serious sh1t, up to 25k investing with a 25% reward in one week +/- need liquidity

[valid crag]

Sounds like a good scam!

[sturdy coral]

not to mention the flavor of the month warlock build has a range of just 7 meters 😅 AND get's slaughtered by a dispel

[subtle heart]

Read again.
average player with average gear can kill and experience player more often and with better gear than him

[cerulean crypt]

Doesn't answer a single one of the questions. I didn't ask about gear quality or experience.

[valid crag]

This will rarely happen, bs argument

[woeful wren]

Im not sure in what world you are living in, rogues get two shotted in melee by most classes to the head. Unless you are catching them by surprise, or rushing them with teammates, or they are a class thats just bad at melee, you arent winning that exchange unless its a surprise one. Throwing daggers? Might work in squishy targets, but a ranged engagement against most classes will end with the rogue dead.

[steep turtle]

yeh i know

[subtle heart]

was not always that. The +5 free stats broke the balance.
Warlock was meat to druid panther and to rogue ambush.

[sturdy coral]

you can dispel the +5 all in a single skill/spell

[fringe garnet]

No you can't

[subtle heart]

yeah it answer. You dont need to specify place or anything u talked about to understand what i say.

[cerulean crypt]

So it's utterly worthless. Thanks for wasting my time.

[sturdy coral]

bro you got no clue lmao rogues with poison weapon build need to stack you to 5 and refresh just once to kill anyone but a full max hp max MDR barbarian

[subtle heart]

Dude, read my post. Pdr rogue you will not get 2 shot even against a barbarian str with 60% bonus damage.

[fringe garnet]

Neither spell predation nor purge shot is capable of getting rid of soul collector

[still cloud]

anyone else playing wizard in arena and catching red names? this shit seems a lil rediculous to me xD none were on purpose and almost all won anyway

[cerulean crypt]

smh wisps just built different I guess

[woeful wren]

Rupture ambush and spammin daggers sure, youll melt anyone, by surprise, but just running at a barbarian? Lmao bro's crazy. Unless the barb misses every hit.

[hardy hornet]

A good way to balance warlock is to make the +5 stats degrade with time

[subtle heart]

by another warlock or a useless ranger skill because other ranger skills are better.

[fringe garnet]

ye. Wisps get rid of every buff

[sturdy coral]

some ppl will punish team killers for ANY friendly kill even if it's clearly unintentional and you apologize

[steep turtle]

Im looking for some gold investors, serious sh1t, up to 25k investing with a 25% reward in one week +/- need liquidity

[spark hedge]

the goblin merchant can give u artifacts? or maximum legendary?

[fringe garnet]

Max legendary

[woeful wren]

No amount of PDR is saving you from 1-2 headshots of a barbarian, like really, the guy has to be genuinely bad and whiff his attacks for you to not die in 2-3 seconds.

[cerulean crypt]

I'll give you a Rondel Dagger with +3 debuff duration bonus

[lusty panther]

i punish my irl friends that fireball me while in melee combat tru

[subtle heart]

well that is what supose to happen no ? Barbarian is a walking bear. that is no wrong with it. Dont make the rogue weak, you just playing him wrongly.

[fringe garnet]

Rogue is absurdly strong

[still cloud]

i feel like arenas need less weight or they need better ruling rather than just did he kill him if yes then red, like if you look from my perspective its obviously not intentional when usually theres even like 2-3 cancelled casts because of teamates jumping into my line

[woeful wren]

Rogue is the -weakest overall class- because it requires the surprise element to win in -EQUAL SKILL AND GEAR- yes it does. You arent winning a frontal charge against a barbarian unless the barbarian is missing every single strike.

[steep turtle]

need liquidity for tomorrow or the next day

[cerulean crypt]

Oh it's pretty liquid. Still dripping from the blood of the Rogue I took it from.

[median holly]

Stop playing normal and you're safe, i want to see this warlock pulling 50 mobs to heal while a 2 nightmare mobs dart at mach 10 at him

[gilded tartan]

barb will just reduce your physical damage if you go at him from the front, the very pillar of your damage output

[fringe garnet]

No, no it doesn't. Rogues can build 180hp 45% PDR while having max true damage and armor pen/weak point/rupture/poison all serving for more than enough damage to kill anybody head on

[subtle heart]

it will save it. i play barb, i have crazy axe build with 60% damage bonus. My char deals like 200 per shot. 65 pdr will make it less than 100. And with the crazy amount of life u get i did not kill rogues with it.

Also head shot is not something you should be getting into it normaly. You can look upward or downward, that make your entire body go up or down so you can avoid, spells, curses and atacks.

[subtle heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNf20_FMTyI&ab_channel=Dimo-DarkandDarker
This is how weak rogue is... omg...

[steep turtle]

plus the healing adds a very strong resistence, if its good enough you will recover the first hit before it comes the second one

[gilded tartan]

sends footage of one of the best players in the game

[sturdy coral]

did dimo beat the hackusasions?

[steep turtle]

Im looking for some gold investors, serious sh1t, up to 25k investing with a 25% reward in one week +/- need liquidity

[fringe garnet]

Nah, everyone just kinda got bored of them and moved on

[median holly]

These strange dodges are a pain for archer, they say that ranged damage is unfair, try to hit a mushroom user dancing towards you, it's funny and infuriating sometimes

[errant hamlet]

Go farm any key

[lusty panther]

nah he streams now so he went legit

[thorny parrot]

dead game nobody in 3 dungeons

[fringe garnet]

Eh but he doesn't stream handcam anymore, does he

[median holly]

Good bye, lock the door after leaving

[woeful wren]

Rogue remains the worst overall class idk, you are talking about some high end HR builds wich im sure are being used in solo's, rogue underperforms in most gearscores outside of ambushing people. And in duos/trios aswell.

[steep turtle]

is that key worth? how much time do u need on average and how much gold can you get in normal market condition?

[fringe garnet]

Kite rogue exists

[subtle heart]

that is how you show if some class is weak or strong, not showing bad players who dont understand the class and dont use it at full potential.

[ruby fossil]

wdym bro I just tried to w key a barb as rogue and he 2 shot me can this buff this shit pls!!!

[sturdy coral]

it's funny unraveliing somebody's playstyle, preferred queue and maps, etc. from their perspectives on balancec

[errant hamlet]

Dépends what Key you found 1st for your investement

[thorny parrot]

tf you talking about im asking if its a dead game as a joke because i havent seen someone in 3 raids shut tf up keyboard knight

[cerulean crypt]

It's well known the best way to know how good a class is, is to watch carefully curated clips of that class winning.

[steep turtle]

put an example

[gloomy halo]

🫄

[sturdy coral]

🫃

[lusty panther]

rogues exist: me 🤮

[woeful wren]

I made an argument it was worse overall than all the other classes, people just showed me the class can be used to kill..wich is like, okay. Wich class is worse than rogue then?

[mild rapids]

man they need to wake up and nerf rogue hard, there is nothing a person can do to predict if a rogue is gonna show from literally no where, like it takes 0 skill to play that class, especially if they can stack 5 bleeding by just swapping 2 crossbow and throw 6 knives, this game didn't receive an update for too long now

[sturdy coral]

like yea we know you think rogues are weak, you don't play in a bracket where they're good! 🤣

[gloomy halo]

🫄

[median holly]

If you are trying to balance a class based on the gameplay of bad players you are going to end up with Barbarian, if you want to play a class balanced for bad people just go for Barb

[ruby fossil]

1 week and a half since last patch dead game clearly pack it up boys

[subtle heart]

i will not try to convice you anything. But if you understand you see there is a big gap between a druid and a rogue. And rogue is much but much better class than anything.
Barbarian and Rogue where never weak on this game at all. If you think one of the is weak you are not playing them right. Watch videos of people who play them right.
Skinny Pete is a good barbarian, and dimo is a good rogue player. Is really rare i see them die to anything.

Kaz was a good druid player, he stoped playing druid cause druid sucked hard and started playing Warlock. Yeah he is the number 1 arena on warlock.

[sturdy coral]

🫃

[fringe garnet]

🍞
🫃
🍞

[woeful wren]

Druid is very versatile and flexible, maybe it is underperformingh at high gearscore HR, but in normals its a very good class that in duos and trios stomps.

[fringe garnet]

Pregnant Mandwich

[gloomy halo]

🫴 🥕

[errant hamlet]

road i Used to do was worm -> Sk -> crypt boss -> gk and sometimes the throne where Sk could Spawn.
Dépend if rusty/gk/spectral etc drops.
Any key/valuable boss loot are sold fast and for some good prices

[fervent anvil]

no

[errant hamlet]

When duo we die like 1/10 1/15 games more/less, i cant truely tell

[subtle heart]

Right now, Sorcerer and Warlock is absurdly strong. They need to balanced but not nerf to change the class way. They need to balance.
Them barbarian and rogue are the top tier.
Ranger
Bard / cleric are really good. But because the warlock trend. They are in a bad spot. But just because warlock overbuff.
Rest of the classes / druid healer
Druid / shifter shitest of them all.

[fringe garnet]

🫨

[steep turtle]

Im looking for some gold investors, serious sh1t, up to 25k investing with a 25% reward in one week +/- need liquidity
@Omeet i think is not going to be good enough

[errant hamlet]

Way better than trying to have an investor via discord.
But hey who knows ... Some people believes such things 😅😁

[subtle heart]

That is because druid is a natural noob killer.
If a person just run afraid to fight a bear or a panther they die fast.
If you understand how druid works, any tipe of kite will win a fight vs a druid.

Druid also is the best 3rd party char in the game. So that is how druid win.
If you try to 1x1 against any competent player druid will lose.
I must say im good with druid. And is impossible to beat anyone right now with shifter druid that is a good player in 1x1.

[median holly]

Bro the problem is how are you getting at this? At solo, duo or trios?
What build is strong what spells, you're saying like the whole class is OP which clearly isn't we can see at least the player numbers

[high dagger]

everyone is just running Warlock phantomize magic heal build, this game is chalked

[cerulean crypt]

Rogue is the best class in the game. It saved me so much gold in disarm kits and lockpicks for quests.

[steep turtle]

most classes are just max gear, rush forward and spam left click

[subtle heart]

you cant balance any type of game by thinking about anything other than solo.
Imagine trying to balance in duo or trios thinking about 10 classes. Is impossible. You balance fights in 1x1.
Good player vs good player
Good gear vs good gear
Or bad gear vs bad gear.

But always need to be good player vs good player.
As bad players dont understand the class fully and will not use stuff that is at disposal.

[median holly]

Someone keeps saying warlock is number one, like the guy isn't a no life psycho who plays 24/7 the game and would get number 1 in any okay class

[tired herald]

Does luck affect droprate of named items?

[subtle heart]

are u talking about what class ?

[gloomy halo]

🥕

[cerulean crypt]

Hold W M1 has a very high skill ceiling I'll have you know. Why else would people waste time in here comparing the length and girth of their swords?

[median holly]

Dark and darker isn't balanced for 1x1 bro i found the problem, you're using the wrong premise

[quiet shadow]

anyone else having issues signing into the game?

[steep turtle]

Im looking for some gold investors, serious sh1t, up to 25k investing with a 25% reward in one week +/- need liquidity

[subtle heart]

Warlock is ridiculous right now and your name suggest what you are if you think otherwise.
Warlock is top 1 in Ap leaderboard and Pvp trios arena.
Is the most absurdly char right now, with sorcerer also.
The diference is warlock is easyer to play and is older than sorcerer.
Sorcerer is a new entirely class. And that is why have less players. But the ones who reach a good understand of the class just smash everyone in lobbies.

Dark and darker isnt balanced. Point. Is not balanced for 1x1 for 2x2 or 3x3.

[cerulean crypt]

Noob DaD players hold W and M1. Pro DaD players hold W and M1 but they jump before pressing M1.

[median holly]

Every time i go to a sub 24 to heat up before HR and i get rundown by a naked barb, or a invis rogue waiting in the red I always marvel at how good they're

[lusty panther]

stop giving out our secrets gosh

[quiet shadow]

anyone else getting connection error when attempting to sign in?

[steep turtle]

Im looking for some gold investors, serious sh1t, up to 25k investing with a 25% reward in one week +/- need liquidity pm me

[visual gale]

hot swapping is shameless but using invis is skill

[median holly]

You say that because you don't know how hard it is to find the red and stay invis in the entrance

[cerulean crypt]

Have you considered using the superior gamer skills acquired from high GS lobbies to outplay these people?

[iron depot]

How much is deathbloom with 1 add weapon dmg worth

[soft hazel]

Does anyone have any idea on when the new patch is coming up? I would love to see nerfs to lifebloom druids, barbarians speed, crossbow and war maul damage, bard songs and spellbook sorcerer.

[ruby fossil]

war maul nerfs aren't happening just spoiling that rn

[steep turtle]

What class do you play the most?

[subtle heart]

also fighter pdr and longsword parry right ?

[iron depot]

How much is deathbloom with 1 add weapon dmg worth

[ruby fossil]

1 gold meet me trade post

[soft hazel]

i play cleric nowadays mostly but i dabble a bit in fighter and sometimes demon warlock

[cerulean crypt]

Bro don't rip him off I'll give you 1 gold ore

[steep turtle]

Im looking for some gold investors, serious sh1t, up to 25k investing with a 25% reward in one week +/- need liquidity

[ruby fossil]

ok 1 maggot

[iron depot]

How much is deathbloom with 1 add weapon dmg worth

[subtle heart]

cleric is kinda dead. There is a swarm of warlocks that deal with.

[zealous bluff]

lowkey i thought i would wanna share but i just realized all the characters are forced to be white in Dark and Darker

[median holly]

I'm still trying to create a tech to outplay a landmine cutthroat rogue on my 100hp ranger

[soft hazel]

yeah solo cleric is kinda painful, and it's not great in duos either

[zealous bluff]

what do you mean its terrific if you got a great build

[median holly]

Weren't the buff cleric meta?

[soft hazel]

i should clarify that its painful if you run spells but spelless cleric is good tho, its what i run most of the time

[zealous bluff]

its better to run with spells trust me its a plus if your in a group

[weary socket]

Spell-less cleric your a melee beast but spells 100% with group play

[zealous bluff]

i do both

[soft hazel]

hmm what would be good spells to pick if im playing duos

[weary socket]

meta for most things group is dps and then heal bot so heals/buff type shi

[red nacelle]

The AoE that blinds and the heal for your teammate , everything else is probably just preference

[sturdy coral]

bind is scary good spell

[median holly]

I found it hard to aim

[sturdy coral]

it's hitscan like the others

[median holly]

But I'm horrible at cleric, like terrible i should learn the class

[zealous bluff]

idk protection , lesser heal, holy light, bless, resurrection

[iron depot]

Sold death bloom for 1 sk and 3 gk fair trade with 1 add dmg

[soft hazel]

no holy strikes or tier 7 AoE damage spells?

[zealous bluff]

never

[modern dune]

Hi all! I'm completely new to the game and I've heard great things. Can someone hop in and teach me the basics?

[subtle heart]

if you like movment is a bad class.
If you like being a walking tank is a cool class to play with. You can invfest to be a walking mage tank as cleric spells are good and deals good damage.

[steep turtle]

What utilities have the spider silk? can you list me some?

[red nacelle]

Put gear on. At high GS lobbies Clerics can still have good MS

[subtle heart]

hey man, what you need friend ?

[iron depot]

Sold death bloom for 1 sk and 3 gk fair trade with 1 add dmg?

[subtle heart]

on 225+ you can have it all, but is bad to your wallet to have it all so you need to chose the most efficient way to pvp and have kills and less deaths 😄

[gleaming arch]

Anyone give me the price of the gold chest so i can buy one please?

[modern dune]

Hi! I wanna understand the basics like settings and gameplay, things like that. The menu when logging in kinda got me starstruck a bit haha

[zealous bluff]

I have Judgment and brew master and extra damage with a blunt weapon and stack with raise all attributes by 2 then 20% physical shield

[red nacelle]

Also big difference in Solo vs Trios. MS is king in solo , in Trios its not always as required. Thats what a balanced party is for.

[solemn canyon]

like 4 skull keys or so

[subtle heart]

@modern dune i would advise as you start with barbarian, as is the easiest class to learn and to defend yourself against other players.

[steep turtle]

Im looking for some gold investors, serious sh1t, up to 25k investing with a 25% reward in one week +/- need liquidity pm me

[zealous bluff]

Mistake understood

[frosty spoke]

will i get a chest in GC bosses loot horde?

[modern dune]

I see... But I'm not used to being a dps. Does being a bard or cleric as a start is bad?

[red nacelle]

This game has a high learning curve. Barb is the easiest to start , you have a lot of HP and can deal high dmg so people will think twice before trying to jump you.

[zealous bluff]

i reccomend being a cleric at start that way you can learn the damage other things do and quickly heal so you can understand the game more and stay alive atleast being a beginner

[modern dune]

Oh I see, thanks for the info! I guess I'll have to start on the basics now. One thing though, how do I set my party size? It keeps showing the party size notice when I press start.

[zealous bluff]

what he said

[inland tendon]

fighter is a great class to get into regarding the basics of ranged and melee combat, but cleric lets you in on magic more and how it works

[red nacelle]

Click on the map icon. You choose the map , then the party size and GS lobby. Youll be in 0-24 while learning

[modern dune]

Alright, let me check

[subtle heart]

they are dificult to master, barbarian is a good start you can change later if you have legendary status

[red nacelle]

I started with Fighter and they are still my favorite class , if Barb doesnt suite your fancy

[zealous bluff]

im slowly going from cleric to fighter

[weary socket]

Im a fighter that cosplays a cleric

[zealous bluff]

crazy work

[red nacelle]

Longsword riposte are just so rewarding when you hit. Its kinda dumb honestly lol.

[soft hazel]

that does sound like a really good combo tbh

[zealous bluff]

thats because it is , i still have trouble with barbarian though but i leave them with very little health

[weary socket]

I hate them if they good and know excel your cooked

[red nacelle]

Barbs are easy with Cleric , all you need to do it block an attack. Its so punishing for them to miss.

[weary socket]

then dont even need to block just 2-3 slaps and your dead and doesnt help they slow when doing holy dmg

[zealous bluff]

with the heater shield theirs a glitch with axes where it wont fully block attacks with an axe

[gloomy halo]

[weary socket]

nope its a glitch with all shields even longsword its called excel

[zealous bluff]

i see i know how to block it though

[red nacelle]

weird i dont have issues. Anyone in melee gets slapped by my cleric , not even close. Now ranged classes that just kite you .... oooof

[weary socket]

whats the method? I usually struggle with block so I go straight to bashing them in head before trying

[red nacelle]

idk what glitch you guys are talking about. Blocking works fine for me.

[zealous bluff]

when you go for a block that axe comes straight from above your gonna wanna crouch quickly and look up with your shield block it , annnnndddd if the barbarien dont have dexterity you can hit it or bonk it on the head for that heavy hitter

or if you have judge ment like me you can always slow him down for 2 seconds then after tries to lands a blow and miss thats when you can strike

[weary socket]

SO It’s when you look in the direction you’re swinging when you preform the swing, it makes the weapon move so fast that the game won’t register the collision with a parry or shield so they can just hit you throw your block for free

[zealous bluff]

or you can jump on a chest then jump on your enemy for just a few seconds you can hit him from below but they cant hit you from above

[weary socket]

Reason I play barb sometimes since some people cry when you touch them through the shield

[zealous bluff]

ye you can do that do i never thought about that , so if i max my sensitivity and turn 180 degree sevral times would i him then like 5 times at the same time

[modern dune]

I am so clueless, jeez. No tutorials is doing me hard times :(

[weary socket]

nope most hits only apply once but excel is just abusign desyc and bad hitbox to go through them there was some yt that made a long video on it with clips and explaining why and how stupid it is as a ls main

[zealous bluff]

ah i see well what ever it is im sure i can make my way around it

[weary socket]

sadly most good barbs know it so its better if you notice them just cutting through shield just to bash them and pray you win

[zealous bluff]

ye

[weary socket]

Like what I do as cleric is I have heater shield and then latern in my other slot

[zealous bluff]

😐 what

[weary socket]

Then if I know its better to have ms then shield I just hotswap

[austere geyser]

i remember a long time ago the post game thingy showed damage delt to you, what happened to that? Was it removed for a reason or another?

[weary socket]

I just use death cam now

[graceful drift]

do surgical kits disappear, if used in arena - although found by ?

[steel trout]

Are there rewards for arena?

[austere geyser]

yeah just curious why it was removed

[weary socket]

idk ironmace is special

[ripe valley]

we gonna start punishing teaming?

[night folio]

All consumables go away when used

[weary socket]

only punished in HR which I dont mind

[sturdy coral]

It was buggy in the dungeon, you’d get stats from ppl not directly in combat with you. They brought it back for arena I guess bc it’s a closed environment

[frail kettle]

Is there any benefit from choosing Blacksmith over steam or vise versa on choosing what platform

[weary socket]

I dont think theres a difference but most use steam since they alr have bunch of games on there

[frail kettle]

can you only play steam to steam and vise versa or is that not issue

[weary socket]

good question I sadly dont know since I dont use their launcher

[manic copper]

long bridge location spawn in normal? or only HR?

[frail kettle]

Becuase the top says they are discontinuing the cross platform function at the top of the notice

@weary socket Thank you for your help

[austere geyser]

thank you so much for a great answer

[fluid rover]

i have a question if i bought legendary status thru steam. and then i connect steam account with blacksmith. do i still gona have legendary status on blacksmith?

[sweet crag]

anyone else gettin rubber banding issues lately? my internets noramlly finee jus this game acting up abit

[uncut patio]

DO love the microstuttering that causes you to get hit or invalidates your spell your currently trying to cast

[sweet crag]

same issue here

[sturdy coral]

no, it’s a full transfer now. You will only have the legendary on the destination platform

[fluid rover]

thanks

[tacit abyss]

how do high roller rank rewards work? if i hit Demigod on a barbarian and cleric, do i get 2x the rewards? 1x on barb and 1x on cleric

what if i hit cleric demigod on solo, duo, and trio high rollers? do i get 3x the rewards on cleric?

[spark pivot]

rogue is busted

[red nacelle]

yes

[restive cave]

hi, whats the possibly most op 3v3 heroes comp to play in this patch?

[red nacelle]

Probably Warlock , Druid buffball , third could be Cleric or Bard

[paper forum]

plate blade of corruption warlock, healing druid, and the third is flex

[red nacelle]

Warlock gets +5 all attributes from Shards/Demon form , then you put tree of life on them from the druid , just that alone is OP. Then you add Bard or Cleric buffs an your damn near unstoppable

[paper forum]

It's arena but I recently watched the video and thought it was really informative so if you're curious about it I'd give it a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHveuNkZYJs

[worn lily]

Plate lock plus plate fighter plus healer druid

[red nacelle]

Warlock shards +5 all attributes
Tree of life +5 all attributes
Bard rousing rythms +2 all attributes Total = +12 all attributes.

Then add Bards debuffing the enemies with Shriek and the slow. And tack on the Druid healing with lifebloom is insane.

[paper forum]

yeah bard is good only problem is when you run into other warlocks LOL

[red nacelle]

just make sure someone is running a lifebloom druid with tree of life on and youll be fine with any combo lol

[worn lily]

Funny how the meta will stay like this for months even tho everyone agrees its fucking op and boring to fight against

[cerulean crypt]

Like what?

[paper forum]

I solo queue support druid arena and sometimes I have to deal with the wildest team comps

But no matter what, tree of life has got my back 🙏

[hasty zenith]

Is healing druid good in trios?

[paper forum]

yes it's currently meta

[red nacelle]

Theres nothing better.... currently

[spark pivot]

when is the next wipe?

[hasty zenith]

Thanks i'm gonna go play druid lol

[paper forum]

they added a new perk for healing, and they added the ability to run every spell at once

[weary socket]

its broken so your good

[red nacelle]

Its because of Tree of life , and Lifebloom. Make sure you take those 2 , Lifebloom is a skill , tree of life is a spell

[paper forum]

if you're playing above squire, just build mag heal>mem cap for 8 or 9 spells>tank>true phys. that's what I build at least

[spark pivot]

should i go warlock or sorcerer

[red nacelle]

Couple months. Leaderboards just released about a week ago so technically the season kind just started.

[hasty zenith]

Alright sc all of that

[weary socket]

atm warlock alot more builds you can do and sorc is bit hard to master but very rewarding till you meet the barb that w keys and one taps you

[paper forum]

what's your goal?

[red nacelle]

Sorc , only because we dont need anymore Warlocks 🤣

[weary socket]

real answer I hate fighting warlocks im like one bad game away from just playing it

[spark pivot]

jsut to have fun, fighter is getting too bland for me so i wanted to know which of those is a good class (btw no legendary status)

[paper forum]

I would suggest playing sorc, you'll probably tell pretty soon whether it's for you or not

[weary socket]

I play plate warlock like a fighter but with spells and vamp

[red nacelle]

Phantamize should be removed from the game. I could deal with everything else.

[paper forum]

whereas with warlock there's a lot more to discover bc there are multiple WILDLY different ways to run warlock

[weary socket]

yea that shi angers me but not as much as rangers shotgun

[stiff quail]

such a cool game

[spark pivot]

okii thanks for the advice ^^

[paper forum]

np!

[weary socket]

yep you can go the scummy method of torture bum or go full melee fun chad warlock

[restive cave]

what about solo gameplay, still warlock?

[red nacelle]

or Rogue

[night folio]

Just sheathe your weapon and hold W, then time it and pre-swing. They cannot block nor can they attack out of it. Its a free kill if you can stick to them. Which is not hard almost every other class has a movement speed ability.

[paper forum]

what is your goal ? pvp, questing, HR, arena, etc?

[velvet imp]

solo warlock got me demigod already, it's super easy to do on a curselock - solo sorc is pretty good too though, glocktane just put out a nice video on sorc

[weary socket]

yep solos warlock gainign +5 all attri for free is distgusting for 1k I can build like 50 mdr and pdr with decent movespeed and 180hp

[stiff quail]

just kill people more xp anyway who cares that the game is fun to tear thru juwst wait and jump other people

[restive cave]

just to know game better, I want to use meta

[red nacelle]

Lol 100x easier said than done. This doesnt work very well in HR when they pull the whole room before popping their get out of jail free card and running two rooms away.

[paper forum]

if you're a new player you should go fighter imo

[velvet imp]

warlock is a bit more forgiving because infinitely able to heal themselves - sorc is pure dps

[worn lily]

Heal Druid +5 all on warlock Double Windlass meta on ranger

[paper forum]

I would argue that warlock is the last thing you want to main to know the game better

[red nacelle]

i agree, fighter is the way

[velvet imp]

that's a good point but for learning layouts and stuff it's fantastic - it's hard to die to pve when you know what you're doing on a warlock, so you can focus on learning the other aspects of the game first and then learn the enemies later

[paper forum]

fair, the game is mad complicated lol there's a billiion things to learn

[cerulean crypt]

Damn. Barb not meta then? Think we need Barb buffs?

[red nacelle]

This is whats been killing the game honestly. Difficult to bring in new players with the high learning curve, and older players have been getting salty because updates have been barley adding any new content.

[paper forum]

you could happily run druid/warlock/barb according to 1 player that's way better than me

[worn lily]

lmao all the barb players swapped to warlock the minuted the +5 all buff came out

[cerulean crypt]

So we do need Barb buffs

[red nacelle]

i think i responded to a similar thing you posted earlier today and said Buff Barb lol ,i wasnt trolling

[blazing blaze]

Barb is honestly fine. Reckless needs a nerf but I think besides that hes in a decent spot. #NerfDemonGleeFighterPlease

[cerulean crypt]

But hold on Dev didn't include Fighter in the meta either so don't we need Fighter buffs too?

[red nacelle]

Druid lifebloom/tree of life , and Warlock shards doing +5 all permanently are the two things that need balancing right now in my opinion. And as always REMOVE PHANTAMIZE

[tall venture]

hello i have a question, my friend bought game and alrdy played 300hours, but every time i m playing with him we re in hidden pool lobby. what we should do to start playing in normal lobby against good players?

[blazing blaze]

They wont remove it but I wouldn't mind the duration being halved. Also make it so he stops healing while in phantomize

[red nacelle]

These are good ideas honestly. That would probably fix it.

[verbal zealot]

Does second wind scale with anything?

[velvet imp]

buff duration, phys healing

[cerulean crypt]

Technically it scales with buff duration but doesn't change total healing amount.

[midnight fractal]

fix the fucking team kill button idk how many times i gotta spam this shit

[verbal zealot]

Phys healing? Okay thank you

[velvet imp]

i'm actually not sure on this

i just checked and it doesn't have a scaling indicator

[verbal zealot]

Oh alright nevermind, thanks for letting me know

[blazing blaze]

Wiki does not list any scaling. "Technically" it scales with your max hp since it restores 40% of your max health. So the more hp you have the more it gives you back

[velvet imp]

true - amount healed increases with HP

40% of 180 is a higher value than 40% of 150

[vocal raven]

Phys healing scaled with campfies and bandages.

[night folio]

Yah if they have a conga line then its mega hard. Just dont chase them then is your best bet. Dont fight them

[red nacelle]

Dont worry i wasnt looking for advice. I was just venting.

[velvet imp]

actually not true for bandages currently, annoyingly.. it has been tested and confirmed, phy heal does nothing for bandages - there's evidence it maybe never did, but either way it's bugged currently

phy healing really good with campfires though, 1:1 per sec

[verbal zealot]

I guess so yeah, technically

[red nacelle]

where are you getting this info? Genuinely curious. If phys healing doesnt effect bandages then whats the point?

[hard portal]

can you get banned for teaming in normals

[velvet imp]

it's supposed to, is the thing - it was a thread on reddit, tested +15 phy heal set and bandages heal the same as +0

[vocal raven]

Only HR from what i understand, but still not a good idea to team in general.

[tropic bane]

anyone know if they plan on adding an auto sort function?

[red nacelle]

as far as i know Teaming is not allowed in any capacity and is a bannable offense regardless of what you are playing.

[verbal zealot]

From what i know, you can randomly team in norms, but you cant pre team (planing to team up with a certain person before match starts)

[cerulean crypt]

You're mistaken. Organic teaming is allowed in norms.

[velvet imp]

only in HR, teaming is fine in normals - no rule against it

[cerulean crypt]

In theory pre-teaming is still not allowed in norms but rarely actioned due to being hard to prove.

[red nacelle]

I dont think this is accurate. But if there is an official source that would be nice.

[dry osprey]

he's correct

[velvet imp]

in-game text - only HR warns you that teaming is bannable, and specifically states "in high roller"

[tropic bane]

yea i think you can if its teaming in pvp but i dont think its enforced id say if you want a team mate go to duos or trios cause some people solo only and teaming ruins it for them just my thought

[hasty zenith]

No you only get banned for teaming in hr.

[velvet imp]

from the high roller text in bottom left;

Friendly encounters are prohibited. All teaming is a bannable offence in High-Roller dungeons.

normals has no text stating it's prohibited

[night folio]

Wait are you a fighter? Just shoot em ggez

[mental prism]

Someone yelled at me for using Hellfire lol what are the best versatile warlock spells to minimize accidental team damage?

[red nacelle]

Coulda swore there were patch notes on the main screen when you login saying its bannable in any capacity and not how they intend the game to be played. But that would been a few months back.

@night folio - i play everything. I know how to deal with them , i was just complaining. Phantamize has been a pain point for a ton of people over the years.

[vocal raven]

Depends on what perks you're running honestly. If you're not running soul collector, run spell pred/pain/sacrifice with hydra and weakness. If you aren't running soul collector, pain + sacrifice and dark bolt is a great starting point.

[dry osprey]

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/989065417161048084/1331044394236645429

[night folio]

Ahh I just saw the role I was like wait a minute. You have a gun (crossbow)

[red nacelle]

thats not an official source. But ill take your word for it. Its lame either way you look at it. If your queuing solo then play solo , ect.

[mental prism]

Word, thanks! I started yesterday but already level 25, def overlooked some things like how to build

[cerulean crypt]

Original intent was for organic teaming to be a natural part of the game. They only relented and made it bannable in HR due to popular demand.

[dry osprey]

you're right, hes only been chosen by ironmace to teach people the game and be a knight.

[cerulean crypt]

Keep in mind the Ice Dragon was originally designed to require organic teaming to even initiate the fight.

[vocal raven]

There are some guides out there, however i think you testing it out yourself and seeing what you like best makes the game more fun for you. Doing meta bulds and running the exact same as everyone else isn't fun for everyone most of the time.

[cyan fox]

Parry damages should also do splash damages to nearby enemies like this way you can almost OS someone and start getting damages on his friends

[red nacelle]

its not hard to get Knight status. you might be putting too much stock in that.

[velvet imp]

they had to make it bannable because of people from a certain region going into other underpopulated regions and literally ruling the dungeon - ask me how i know what it's like to be in a dungeon full of 10 people who don't speak english who are all working together to kill you

[hallow quartz]

So, this game will be available on Canada and US in 4th February?

[mental prism]

[dry osprey]

if only the people ironmace picked had to have game knowledge

[night folio]

PoV no one knows what region has tons of cheaters with tendencies to use cheats and preteam

[red nacelle]

Youre acting like being a "Knight" means you know everything about the game. Dog even the devs dont know what they want. They change their mind every other patch.

[night folio]

Number goes up, then 2 weeks later it goes back down

[cerulean crypt]

Bro gets something wrong and just starts attacking people

[velvet imp]

for the purposes of trading with currencies not found in dark and darker

[night folio]

Mhmmmm, it's truly a mystery

[blazing blaze]

Yknow, with how much of a mess the patches have been I don't expect anyone to know anything about this game honestly

[velvet imp]

we should call scooby

[red nacelle]

Are you talking about me? I already said i could be wrong , i dont care that much about whether its bannable or not. Teaming is lame either way. If you queue solo then play solo. Im just talking about the guy citing "knight" reponses as if thats an official source for rulings.

[velvet imp]

i quoted in-game text, i'm not sure how much more official it gets

[red nacelle]

i wasnt arguing with you , i was talking about Belle Delphine

[cerulean crypt]

Look people were being nice and giving you a correction without being mean about it but fact is this is literally a basic reading of the in-game text. You don't even need to have bothered reading patch notes and dev comments. So maybe try being nicer to the people treating you nicely.

[velvet imp]

yeah i understand that but what's the point of arguing, he's right - he might be talking like a typical dark and darker player but that doesn't make him any less right - i'm just pointing out that it's not ambiguous, the rule is clearly defined in-game by red text

[red nacelle]

Lol @velvet imp @cerulean crypt - I never said either of you werent right. I said teaming is lame iether way whether its bannable or not. I dont even know what you two are on about right now. The person i was arguing with was about a totally different topic than Teaming.

[velvet imp]

fair - don't really matter then, do it?

[dry osprey]

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/988662112454836234/1294272313306648637 this is when the HR teaming rule changed, the last time they've changed the policy, and normals was untouched

[red nacelle]

There yah go ^

[hard portal]

what have i started

[velvet imp]

this discord is pretty much always like this, people like to argue here

[grave belfry]

how much is life after death axe worth ?

[hard portal]

1sk (trade me for free)

[dry osprey]

i have nothing better to do tbh

[grave belfry]

2 additional weapon damage

[hard portal]

free if u give to me

[cerulean crypt]

Honestly worthless just vendor it

[midnight fractal]

fix the fucking team kill button idk how many times i gotta spam this shit

[red nacelle]

Not your fault. The devs change policy/direction on a weekly basis. Only trust official sources , half the things said in here are wrong which is what caused this entire discussion to being with.

[velvet imp]

i'll get right on it chief

[cerulean crypt]

Your self-awareness is astounding

[red nacelle]

Lol you called out attacking people like two messages ago? find a mirror dog, this conversations already dead.

[cerulean crypt]

There's a difference between confidently spreading misinfo and then having the gall to preach about how misinformed everyone else is, and pointing at what you're doing.

[red nacelle]

When did i spread misinformation? I simply asked for an official source to what people were saying. Once one was provided I sent it to the guy that asked. The arugment that was had was about whether a "knight" is considered an official source.

[indigo ginkgo]

My friend told me about this game, he said it's all barb axe to the head on line, and all the rest of the classes are targets. Sounds good to me

[red nacelle]

Its fine though , you're just looking for a reason to argue which is obvious by the fact that i was never even talking to you in the first place. Stick around though in this discord it wont be hard for you to find what your looking for.

[cerulean crypt]

"4:00 PM]Khorac: as far as i know Teaming is not allowed in any capacity and is a bannable offense regardless of what you are playing."

Fun fact the sure-fire way not to misinform people is to not speak on things you're clueless about.

[odd rain]

damn he kinda got your ass

[iron oak]

Warlock's +1 all attributes thing needs to be tone down severely.

[red nacelle]

Bro you just pulled the same thing every mainstream media company does and pulled a statement out of context 🤣

[cerulean crypt]

Of course you're that kinda guy lmao

[sturdy coral]

woah watch those goalposts fly!

[lost tinsel]

@red nacelle @cerulean crypt Drop it.

[manic fulcrum]

anyone know how long the cooldown is on grimmy crafts?

[indigo ginkgo]

No it doesn't, they already nerfed + all gear to shit, leave what is left alone

[sturdy coral]

it can be dispelled with wisp and not dispels?? iron hammer pls fix …

[fringe zealot]

Found the warlock

[pearl valley]

Arena should have wager bets so money can be made

[oak yew]

Whats the missing context. Seems pretty clear

[hard portal]

guys y is there ALWAYS ppl doing the wyvern when can i just get a chill gam

[dry osprey]

respectfully poop your pants

[soft hazel]

i hope true damage gets nerfed, its so boring to see every class building it

[sturdy coral]

🩲 💩 consider them shidded

[dry osprey]

🔥 📈

[wet temple]

cause the community is ass in this game like every other lmaoooo

[fringe zealot]

Stay in the game long enough and it will definitely be chill

[iron oak]

+all should of never been returned it undermines stat building, and if he has to keep it, it should only go up to 3 at best.

[sturdy coral]

add more + all and make it gemmable

[red nacelle]

The part where i asked for an official source , was provided one and then @ the guy who asked the question so he got the right answer. The arugement was never me trying to be right. It was with a totally different person about a different topic. This guy just piggybacked so he could argue with someone.

[sturdy coral]

[blazing blaze]

I don't think I saw anyone answer this. I believe traders reset in 30 minute intervals. So they refresh at :30 and :00 on every hour

[fringe zealot]

He had 30 minutes to kill. A pointless discord debate is perfect for that

[sturdy coral]

yes this is correct

[iron oak]

Will-o-Wisps only appear on one map, and saying that a singular mob can get rid of it makes it fine is a 4 year old's kind of logic.

Currently only two classes can get rid of buffs, Ranger and Warlock.

[fringe zealot]

I am pretty sure he is meaning he wants dispels to also dispel it

[iron oak]

Yeah, other classes need more anti-magic.

I think Monk might be the anti-mage martial class.

[rigid roost]

It’s always when you need it that you never see it 😂 and when you don’t know you need it you see it all the time and never pick it up

[mighty whale]

Deflect monk build

[sturdy coral]

no I’m saying it should be dispellable by warlock and ranger, why is wisp dispel so OP?

[mighty whale]

Cause they work out
Ever seen a ranger so a sit up? Exactly

[red nacelle]

What do the wisps dispel that the Ranger/Warlock dont? curious what your talking about

[hard portal]

guys simple gold royal bangle doesnt exist im telling u

[cerulean crypt]

Darkness Shards

[astral harbor]

Wraith is the stupidest most bullshit mob in this entire game , the most unfun thing in my entire history of gaming to fight

[mighty whale]

Lmao I love seeing y'all who are still trying to get all the bangles I got my chest day one

[iron oak]

Will-O-Wisps can get rid of second wind and sprint.

[hard portal]

hate u to

[pliant pond]

Rotate right and crouch jump

[mighty whale]

They are just called wisps good sir

[astral harbor]

I just died to wraith glitching and making me stuck in a wall not being able to move away from it , this mob has the most stupid weirdly telegraphed hard to dodge moves in the game that feel unfun to fight and slows you when it hits you so youre instant dead

[indigo ginkgo]

What?

[mighty whale]

Mwah you too

[fervent anvil]

i really gotta put the effort into grinding for the chest quest. i need the gold to buy a ton of bonk sticks

[astral harbor]

Fuck this piece of shit mob remove it from the game , sorry for rant.

[iron oak]

Don't care.

[mighty whale]

Have you tried learning to dodge it

[indigo ginkgo]

Lols, don't go out in public much do you? Mobs out there are far worse

[astral harbor]

@mighty whale i genuinely did , it still clips me every fucking time

[cerulean crypt]

Wisps are just built different. They don't even need to know where you are to remove your buffs.

[mighty whale]

That sounds like you didn't

[astral harbor]

I can kill every HR boss in the game blindfolded yet crouching wraiths attack NEVER works for me, please dont pretend like yall dont cheese this mob too , wheres the fun in that

[hard portal]

how did u do it plz tell me

[somber locust]

need 1 player

[mighty whale]

I farmed troll and Cyclops for my fighter arena kit for over a full month
I wanted weapons so I either had to pull from the pile for 57 years or play solo hr
Ironically because of crafts I only still use three pieces of the stuff I found and only one was found from the pile

[astral harbor]

Ironmace did such a good job with Centaur, so fun to fight against and dodge , yet wraith is just a fucking nightmare i cant handle this mob

[cerulean crypt]

Centaur is honestly too easy

[astral harbor]

i feel they should just keep him as is , and give him more dmg to punish you

[mighty whale]

Keep him as is and change him?

[solemn nova]

wtf hacky shiii i have just witnessed xD i just saw a warlock with cinder just use jump back like a ranger ?? hmmm am i missing something

[mighty whale]

Nah he was just multiclassing homie

[west slate]

This is just inefficient

[echo sparrow]

just sidestep the wraiths dash attack, or block it.

[cerulean crypt]

When they removed MC I quit the game for like 2 seasons. I genuinely miss it so much.

[round iris]

Literally run in a circle and wraith misses.

[frozen crater]

Is there high roller rewards yet?

[echo sparrow]

because most people hated it, and it was killing the player count.

[mighty whale]

How else was I meant to get bangles

[west slate]

I mean for your arena kit

[mighty whale]

Well I needed weapons and wanted to catch up on some shows I hadnt watched yet so pile was easier than hr

[frozen crater]

Craft

[mighty whale]

Well if you read what I said before that then you'd know I did

[round iris]

If MC wasn’t literally everyone now has robust + iron + anti magic and some other combination of priest/fighters skills and perks… maybe it wouldn’t have been so bad.

[fervent anvil]

craft more then

[mighty whale]

Nah it's all bis now I cant
My kit literally shines in the darkness

[wintry zodiac]

#NerfDruidHeal

[fervent anvil]

find a way to do it anyway

[sick delta]

i just went to 0-24 or 25-144 ice caves with wandering luck, interact speed perk, resourcefullness perk bard

[mighty whale]

That sounds unfun, tedious and incredibly inefficient

[west slate]

What wepon can you not craft that isn’t horrible

[fervent anvil]

do that but farm a boss with it instead

[sick delta]

was very unfun but imo the easiest pile to get to since u can just lead the shield man and yeti to another room

[boreal garden]

Bro just go hr inferno. I got half a legendary wiz kit in one run

[cerulean crypt]

The latter is hard to say honestly. Numbers dropped harder after they removed it and there's also been incredibly low player counts outside of MC too. It could have just had no real impact on player count. But that's always a hard thing to gauge so could go either way imo.

It doesn't matter though. I liked MC so I'm gonna be sad when it's gone regardless of what others think.

[sick delta]

i usually got out at around 7-8 min mark and didnt see too many other people contesting pile

[mighty whale]

Well I wanted a rondel and buckler at first. I also wanted a bow or crossbow and I kinda wanted like oh idk a set of armour and jewelry

[fervent anvil]

crafted warmaul when?

[long kiln]

I think it would be very beneficial for the game if there was a training mode, where you enter to test the gear and train game mechanics

[mighty whale]

Easy sure but I was getting troll pelts and gold ore every so often

[west slate]

Why buckler over FL lantern shield

[red nacelle]

Agreed. It was fun to screw around with, i liked it. But overall its not good for the game. Every class loses their class identity, its really just a temporary event type thing.

[mighty whale]

Because it wasn't craftable are you not paying attention

[echo sparrow]

the player count was sub 2k a the end of MC. it deff hurt the player count, people even said as much. sure it was also end of wipe that contributed but you cant act like MC wasnt dwindling the numbers

[cerulean crypt]

Not a day goes by that I don't miss my Smite + Achilles Spear Barb

[west slate]

Weponsmith crafts have been out wayyy before the season started

[mighty whale]

Are... Are you... Bro?

[north portal]

seems chaotic, they should add a SSF mode where you can multiclass and get perks/skills ingame

[round iris]

Yeah well everyone being nearly immune to magic and having robust on every build was lame.

[west slate]

You said you did this a month ago but the craft has been out for way over a month

[mighty whale]

Start of the season I farmed my bangles as a biproduct of farming my arena kit. Because it was the start of the season I couldn't just craft stuff I had to find it which is what I did

[cerulean crypt]

Yeah and the numbers went even lower after they removed it. I'm not taking a stance either way and I frankly don't care either way. I'd rather a game exactly the way I want it to be with 200 active players than one that differs from what I want but has 1 million active players.

[mighty whale]

I did it for a month I said

[fervent anvil]

but it was so fun :(

[round iris]

Or the 400 bonk wizard/locks running around.

[fervent anvil]

[round iris]

[red nacelle]

if you have 1 million players you could simply add a game mode with it and keep the regular game as is. With 200 players the game just dies.

[mighty whale]

Yeah what happens when the player base wants to sleep
What happens to OCE

[supple wagon]

Sooooo is Ironmace going to fix the issue if you have a red name and can't report your team for killing you? My freinds downvoted me just messing around and randoms have killed me as soon as a match starts abusing the fact i cant report tk's. Needs to be addressed

[cerulean crypt]

I'm not in OCE so I don't care lmao

Gonna be real I feel like we dress up our ideas as objective too much. We're just gamers we just want the game to be the way we like.

[echo sparrow]

just have them upvote you back to not red

[cerulean crypt]

GS brackets is horrible game design and objectively I think there should be 0 gear bracketing at all. But I'm also way too lazy to gear up every game so I personally love 0-24 for when I cannot be bothered to put on gear.

[mighty whale]

Sounds like your friends are the problem here not the systems

[echo sparrow]

you want the game to die it sounds like

[solemn nova]

devs why can i get one shot at full hp by a nightmare mummy .... i bet you had a good xmas

[deep elk]

Random question. How often are wipes? I recently started back up this season and my buddy said the wipe is soon but I don't think it is.

[red nacelle]

They want the game the way it suits them even if it means it dies 🤣

[mighty whale]

Headshot :(

[median holly]

I just hate barbarians I'm a simple man, i hate W pressing and left clicking being this oppressive

[oblique valve]

anyone know why my class icon is now blue? (not my name)

[echo sparrow]

your rank

[little path]

is the unique bardiche worth anything with max rolls on max health and additional weapon?

[cerulean crypt]

No players actually cares about the success or lack thereof for DaD. We just pretend we do. Really we just want a game tailored specifically to whatever we want.

[supple wagon]

so just because you have a red name ppl can just kill you with no consequences? Got it.

[tidal plover]

A few friend reports doesn’t get your name red, took me over 40 tks for my red name

[mighty whale]

Wipes are about every three months. Wipe started mid December iirc

[cerulean crypt]

This is a major reason Ironmace shouldn't listen to us. Alas they do.

[median holly]

What a self report

[supple wagon]

thats bs, i just started playing again and got it in about easily 20 games

[sick delta]

tbh i thought people usedthat system just to have a cool name color rather than the actual "beware of this person". i think if ur queuing up with random teammates, you just have to beware of them randomly killing u.

[mighty whale]

Id rather red named players cant report
Either it's your friend fucking with you or youre the issue with the system.
If it's your friend you can just get them to upvote you to normal

[echo sparrow]

you only get a red name if the people actually report you, i bet some people dont know they can report team killers

[scenic imp]

Sounds fair to me.
Simple as like, not killing your teammates.

Golly

[median holly]

What a game changer move

[sick delta]

hear me out, kill them first :)

[mighty whale]

Exactly if you're red I wanna see you be really deep red

[cerulean crypt]

It's kinda just what melee is

If Hold W + M1 isn't strong then melee itself doesn't really work because that's all there is to melee in this game.

[supple wagon]

I dont kill my teamates thats the issue

[median holly]

Like i don't see any signals of remorse i would kill you on spawn, an inside enemy is harder than outsiders

[sick delta]

barbarians should be allowed to chuck their axes like francisca's

[solemn nova]

so what u cant be banned if u kill a teammate ? xD haha

[faint verge]

forgotten castle inferno map is fucking stupid with so few escapes

[haughty harbor]

people should just be nicer in the dungeons nobody likes getting ratted after killing bosses(im not coping im not coping)

[median holly]

Never trusted people in this game now you guys are just making it worse

[scenic imp]

Y'know.
F it. Barbs gotta get a roundhouse kick ability imo. All this screaming, roaring here, yelling there.

We gotta put our foot down

[sick delta]

fr u should become like chuck norris if u dont have a weapon, gain movespeed and punching damage

[median holly]

I go around just hunting rats waiting at boss doors, eat the rats they never expect to be hunted

[haughty harbor]

doing the lords work

[median holly]

Why join the rats if you can eat the rats

[scenic imp]

This reminds me of when I threatened to eat a mouse druid

[sage anvil]

solos is just impossible to balance

[tidal plover]

Fr tho, imagine brining in 10 horseman’s for ranged pvp the class might be decent

[sage anvil]

barb and warlock absolutely broken in solos

[sick delta]

i was thinking more of like 5 fellling axes

[indigo ginkgo]

NAeast, 3rd disconnect from the server in under an hour. Server issues? HotFix inbound?

[slender kraken]

fighter

[idle grotto]

those 3 are broken

[median holly]

You guys really want the ranger to be the third best ranged class ...

[sage anvil]

@slender kraken yes they are better than fighter agreed

[slender kraken]

fighter is broken and basically has been forever. skill issue.

[idle grotto]

well fighter only felt broken when you use the broken gear combo so ig

[red nacelle]

Any longsword fighter worth their salt easily 1v1s barbarian

[sage anvil]

longsword fighter lolol

[median holly]

At least a fighter has more skill expression than barbs

[sly holly]

why is it restarting my client after every game

[idle grotto]

longsoy he said

[slender kraken]

it doesnt take any skill to play fighter. fighter players cope so hard.

[median holly]

I can easily kill bad fighters and they don't 1 shot me usually takes 3/4 hits

[idle grotto]

while i do agree fighter is stupid with gear its not like barbarian stat isnt stupid by itself either mate so dont refute that

[sage anvil]

this guy is clearly baiting

[red nacelle]

yeah agreed , this is my biggest issue with Barb. They just feel so boring.

[slender kraken]

imagine getting owned by warlock as fighter lol

[idle grotto]

its melee and francisca

[sage anvil]

warlock with high ms and misses 4/5 curses still wins most fights in solos

[idle grotto]

one is a kite class and the other one is a melee class that has bow option but the kite class can also heal itself midfight so...

[slender kraken]

you can use high ms with any character. you have a free movespeed buff and bows lol. you are just bad.

[median holly]

The problem is very simple he has it all, he has mov speed he has tons of HP that makes him tanky and he has absurd damage on simple weapons that are easy to get headshots

[idle grotto]

and they have phantomize so your point?

[slender kraken]

fighter can also heal itself. its just not a balanced class and fighters get owned by warlocks and cry because they are used to getting free wins.

[sage anvil]

just block the clear rage baiter, dude isnt offering any facts just insults

[idle grotto]

you have high movement speed skill they have immune skill

[cerulean flame]

i am fighter player unga wunga bunga second wind i win gg go next

[sick delta]

why can wizward use crossbow?

[slender kraken]

its absurd that fighter is allowed to be this way and fighter players claim anybody else is the problem lol

[idle grotto]

i cant tell if ur defending fighter or shitting on fighter tf

[iron oak]

Get rid of all attributes, the game is better off without it.

[sage anvil]

i find the ppl who hate fighters the most are usually landmine rogue mains

[slender kraken]

did you just die to a rogue or warlock lol

[void saffron]

Fighter is balanced, buff longsword

[median holly]

All weapons too now we fight with fists and also no spells

[sage anvil]

this game used to be like 80% rogues in solos, then everyone started running pdr fighter to counter and the rogues have been crying ever since

[idle grotto]

happens to the best of us dont act like u didnt have that happen to you

[iron oak]

Oh great, another person who thinks a stat that undermines interesting character builds isn't bad for the game.

[slender kraken]

i dont get in here and cry to have them nerfed every time i die though lol

[idle grotto]

who's crying here?

[magic yacht]

Yeah

[slender kraken]

f-fighter is b-broken because of ... rogues!!!

[sage anvil]

what is this guy talking about lmao

[idle grotto]

i cant tell if hes shitting or defending fighter

i think hes on some white powder rn

[red nacelle]

Rogues are no issue for fighter. Just wear a shield and use shield bash.

[sage anvil]

hes just baiting, poorly

[median holly]

I can agree with the removal or restriction of random rolls on equips but attributes would require basically a new whole system a months of balancing

[slender kraken]

rogue is a joke but fighters cry, thats the point

[idle grotto]

ig

[sage anvil]

why would fighters cry about rogues? they are nearly unkillable by rogue. think bro

[slender kraken]

doesnt stop you from crying apparently

[red nacelle]

oh haha gotcha. Barbs and rogues which i see most fighters complain about i have no issues with. I run longsword , sword/shield. However that makes warlocks and suych tough because no range.

[idle grotto]

hes trying to make people think they are actually crying about rogue

[iron oak]

+All was a horrible blight on the game from early playtests and when it was removed we had some of better days of balancing.

[sage anvil]

its a rock paper scissors game so its impossible to balance for solos.. sometimes you just have matchups that are unloseable and some unwinnable

[weary socket]

yep I feel like by logic no matter what not every class shouldnt perfectly play against every other class so solos is cooked and the game was made with trios in mind or am I wrong?

[idle grotto]

who exactly is crying about rogue rn tho ????

hello? ur the one that start talking about rogue?

do you have down syndrome?

[slender kraken]

u

[sage anvil]

@weary socket nah youre exactly right

[median holly]

+all is a bit stupid but you can get +3 in total? I mean i don't know if is all this crying about but I'm me, i dont think the +3 are worse for the game than 90% of the playerbase playing barb or warrior

[shy oracle]

I cant get rewaard from quest

[cosmic nimbus]

ANY WAY FOR BARD TO DESTROY FAT ICE BLOCKS IN ABBYS? FALCHION?

[crimson rose]

are the people going into HR with uniques and swapping gear with their friends going to get banned or is ironmace going to continue to let the integrity of the game rot

[sage anvil]

@cosmic nimbus throw drum?

[shy oracle]

it saying me to there is no space but my inv is empty

[idle grotto]

ur the one that start yapping about rogue so whats your point?

ur high or something?

[slender kraken]

i did not bring it up. try reading.

[sage anvil]

@idle grotto hope not if thats what hes like stoned i cant imagine how sad he is sober

[shy oracle]

I cant get rewaard from quest it saying me to there is no space but my inv is empty

[idle grotto]

im legit typing rogue in the search bar rn and ur the one that start yapping about it

[iron oak]

+All is part of a larger issue of giving any class the ability to give them selves stats in everything with minimal drawbacks.

[indigo ginkgo]

Yeah, servers running very slow. Check back later.
I dropped an item, then picked up another, and it took 5 seconds to actually happen.

[weary socket]

I forgot but you need like 5x5 space or more cleared or it wont let you claim anything no matter what even if you would have enough

[sly holly]

beacusej is cheating if you run into him

[idle grotto]

like how did you turn this into "fighter crying about rogue"
???

[median holly]

I'm lost what they're doing? They're sniping the same lobby one is going with op armors and the other with only weapons to be under 224 and drop the weapon to his friend ?

[shy oracle]

Bro my inv is empty

[sage anvil]

@idle grotto you could tell by nearly everything he said he wasnt thinking he was just trying to illicit a reaction

[idle grotto]

nah some ppl switch got flipped when they get high so

[sage anvil]

[slender kraken]

illiterate moment

[idle grotto]

i think you have nothing to say left so you just refute with that

[sly holly]

my game is timing out after every run is this happening to everyone rn?

[cosmic nimbus]

can abrd desytroy abyss ice anyhow

[idle grotto]

fair enough i just get serious sometimes when i see something that doesnt make sense

[weary socket]

Well best I can say is Ironmace don't fk with u

[shy oracle]

Thank you thank you

[sage anvil]

If you’ve got the time to confront every troll on the internet, god speed my brother @idle grotto I appreciate the ones like this guy who are just really obvious

[shy oracle]

it was not claiming at empty inventory but i got at half empty inventory

[slender kraken]

this guy who owned me is a troll guys im totally not coping about fighter being broken

[sage anvil]

@cosmic nimbus That’s what I meant by throw drum, I’m not 100p sure but it should break ice

[idle grotto]

nah its midnight and imma go to sleep was just checking chat and saw some bs
busy day tmr

[cosmic nimbus]

i tried 4 throws and didnt break

[idle grotto]

so u admit u get owned ok
we did say fighter is broken so idk whats ur argueing about too

[golden forge]

can any1 send me on private sorcerrer setup spells with gear?

[sage anvil]

@cosmic nimbus Damn I’m not sure of another option

[crimson rose]

yea they both go in with an inventory full of uniques and drop it to eachother and then extract

[slender kraken]

super private secret sorc build

[fallen kayak]

Man I feel like rouges are fast as fucking hell
Ambush gives 10% move speed right?
And then you get another ms buff from 10 step

[weary socket]

goon electro shuffle wizard gone wrong?

[idle grotto]

gear is figure out yourself but at least always get 40 will and 20 resource
flamestrike
eruption
flame arrow
water bolt
windblast
fire orb is the basic

other 4 spell try combination to your liking for gamemode solo,duo,trio

[magic yacht]

Oh god i hate heater shield users can even land a curse on them

[fallen kayak]

@golden forge also try to focus on getting your vigor up and move speed to a minimum of 305
You want to shoot for 130hp ish and 305 movespeed and get as close to 40 will as you can

[idle grotto]

^

300 mov speed comes first then 40 will resource is optional but 20 is a good number more is also good
hp is how much your money can afford

[cosmic nimbus]

falchion cannot break

[sage anvil]

@cosmic nimbus Let me know if you find a way

[subtle heart]

It should be the fastest class in the game, so makes sense imo

[median holly]

At this point I'm almost impressed, ban them both, make them an example for others

[median holly]

I don't think being fast is the problem chief

[fallen kayak]

But you ever feel like it might be too quick?
Like the buff both you get from the perks is enough to reach the MS cap easily

[subtle heart]

eh, fighter can move faster wearing heavier gear, so honestly I think they should be even faster, like a dash ability type thing. Also MS cap was a targeted nerf to rogue and barb

[median holly]

What kills you more a landmine rogue still in a corner or this the flash rogue running towards you

[fallen kayak]

Rouge running me down seems to kill me more than I’ve gotten better at not running into those landmines now

Gobby cave specifically they jump from top and stealth mid air and run me down

[median holly]

The problem of rogue in solos is unsovable unless they want to rework the class as a whole, being invisible is OP by nature and rogue is based in ambushing and only going in when they have 100% certain they will win, it isn't a very fun gameplay but it's what he is made for, rogue gameplay is made to be unfair