game-discussion

[rich stream]

arena's was always going to go back to being minted if you didnt get that yeah idk what to say

[dusk grove]

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[rich stream]

stay mad you knew it was hapening anyways

[dusk grove]

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[rich stream]

says the guy acusing devs of smoking crack

[dreamy kiln]

i guess everybody teaming in solos today

[tepid harbor]

Pro tip: Early access is to try and test things out. The devs are doing their job.

[dusk grove]

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[tepid harbor]

Bruh, scrolling up through the chat every patch is 69. I'm down for vocalizing issues and dislikes but the devs hate has to end.

[covert karma]

JUST KILLED OVER 6 PEOPLE TRYING TO HR TROLL AND ANOTHER ONE COMES IN AND THIRD PARTIES BRO. THIS CONTINUOUS SHIT IS TERRIBLE

[dusk grove]

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[tepid harbor]

Valid.

[pure bronze]

stay out of arena with all green gear bro

[fierce harbor]

im like 90% sure the arena gets rid of gear on lose that is looted if might be a bug or smt idk. Or doers gear get handeled after many games?

[fervent anvil]

Nah ima bonk people in whatever gear i wanna run with

[tepid harbor]

It's gotta have found by "your chara name" on the bottom. Or crafted by.

[fierce harbor]

it was i had like 5 wins with it 1 lose 2more wins and a lose it it got rid of it

[subtle heart]

whats the best map for solo im just starting

[tepid harbor]

Could be a bug then, throw that into https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1071628538391830719 cause that sucks if it's happening.

[graceful citrus]

the stairs being one use only is the worst change possible holy shit

[fierce harbor]

it's been the rings for me

[harsh dagger]

dont play, save yourself . we play this game because we hate ourselfs

[subtle heart]

i liked the beta :(

[tepid harbor]

Do gobby cave. Swim with the sharks.

[harsh dagger]

🫡 ]

[fierce harbor]

depends on the class u play tbh forgotten is open so good for ranged, snow is harder its a bit more closed, gobling is close combat good for melee and ratting

[rotund pawn]

They were just testing it….. chill out it is really not a big deal and is better this way

[quiet lodge]

just played an arenas match the game ended when i loaded into lobby all my gear was gone.

any chance im getting it back or am i cooked

[subtle heart]

probs just go gob caves i remember it from the beta

[fierce harbor]

has to be looted by you, if its bought it will disaper if u lose

[quiet lodge]

its hasnt been like that the last few weeks

[fierce harbor]

if u win u keep it so if u want to go in full bought legendary u better not lose

[valid widget]

Yes i love getting teamkilled on 225+ High roller just for them to take my shit

[quiet lodge]

in arenas it has never been like that is that new today

[rotund pawn]

When arena first came out it was like this where you can only bring gear found by you they were just testing the any gear last wipe

[quiet lodge]

i played yesterday n lost a few times but kept my gear

[fierce harbor]

it kinda makes sense tho it should like highligth it with red or smt ű

[fierce harbor]

i found out the hard way aswell lost a almost nearly full purple gear

[rotund pawn]

Yea it just happened today with the patch they did I’m sorry man that does suck only advice I can say and I really don’t mean to sound like an ass but gotta stay up to date on the patch notes that hurts I’m sorry brother

[quiet lodge]

lol this is bs i litterally grinded with my homie fo0r days for a full gold arenas kit gg will be deleting

[fierce harbor]

Offff THAT sucks

[rotund pawn]

That’s so rough I’m sorry man

[quiet lodge]

litteraly doesnt even say it in patch notes

[rotund pawn]

It does just very far down under game changes

[harsh dagger]

cowturd

[past pier]

How do we feel about the extract changes?

[subtle heart]

garbage

[fierce harbor]

it does 1 sentence at the game updates mashed into everthing (3rd from the bottom)

[plucky peak]

goblin caves throws me in at 9 minutes, >go kill cyclops >leaving at 4-5 minutes with team >3 statics taken, prison and lake portals taken

[quiet lodge]

fck me

[calm sluice]

MAKE ARENA UNMINTED!

[plucky peak]

????????????? change literally revert this

[fierce harbor]

todays/yesterdays patch

[calm sluice]

I’m not playing this game until I can run unminted gear in arena I’m not going to put in the same amount of time to get a way worse kit than a kit I could grind for gold and buy

[past pier]

If they are going to fuck the extracts they mine as well bring back the circle I mean fuck it right.

[crimson heart]

so far, absolutely hate it. Spawn in to an old dungeon, all the enemies are dead and looted no questing I guess, nothing left to do but fight people over the group exits because all the solo ones are gone already

[fierce harbor]

They sould make it so there is a 5s combat timer if u get hit and cant go out or smt, especially as a trio its hard to leave if the game

[crimson heart]

or just put a timer or lever or something before they can be used again

[fierce harbor]

True easier just make the metal gate shut and u have to pull al ever to open it up, so if a whole party wants to leave go behind the gate then exit

[native pine]

do u keep all gear in arena still

[calm sluice]

@glad thunder make arena unminted or im not playing i have to put in way more hours to get a worse kit than i could buy and run

[fierce harbor]

it needs to be looted if not you loose it if u lose the match

[plucky peak]

Literally just make the statics on a 2 minute cooldown and allow 3 exits per before it coolsdown PROBLEM LITERALLY SOLVED - @ironmace please stop the extreme left to right balance changes and figure out how to find the middle ground

[rotund pawn]

Just make the gear you want with gems it’s really not hard getting bis this season just due to gems

[calm sluice]

@rotund pawn it’s way harder I could buy a legendary fine curis with +5 max health’s and gen the rest for 5k around. Now I have to fine it with that roll wich takes way more time than getting the gold

[rotund pawn]

Or just find a legendary fine curias and put a gem in it for max hp

[calm sluice]

@rotund pawn u cant get best rolls through gems so its not technically bis to get a Legendary with 1 roll u want maxed out for a whole kit takes way longer than getting gold for gem and pieces

[opal fox]

who here likes gambling crafing gear?

[rotund pawn]

You’re right you can’t get 5 max hp you can get 4 tho and if that tiny extra bit is gonna cause you to lose a fight then you misplayed something and not the 1 hp you’re missing I’m sorry but minted in arena is good and should stay

[barren orchid]

screw you guys and your portal placement

[calm sluice]

@rotund pawn I don’t think it’s good because it inflates gem prices and requires way more time even if your not getting any rolls u want to find all legendary pieces for a kit would take way more time than to buy it at least for me

@rotund pawn you still have to gem with minted or not to get best rolls unless ur insanely rich

[rotund pawn]

I get where you’re coming from trust me even I think it was super nice to just buy the kit but I personally think minted is better especially with gems it’s so easy to get almost bis equipment very easily gems aren’t that bad to get and tbh they’re pretty cheap as well

[tall birch]

Anyone else not able to craft Cobalt gear on some characters?

[little sage]

did u do the quests?

[subtle heart]

how do I start learning professions like mining and stuff? I need cobalt ore

[jagged siren]

Perks it all dapends on variaty,to put it simple make 2 build 1 pve focused and 1 pvp.
PvE mainly escape and opening locked chests /PvP more of more Dmg !

[tall birch]

Yes, I can craft Cobalt Tailor stuff on some characters but not others. Shows 50 affinity on every character.

[little sage]

cobalt ore can always be found in goblin cave at the very center of the map. Lots of them

[calm sluice]

@rotund pawn gems aren’t bad price wise right now but I think if this patch stays for arena gems will go up I could be wrong I’m mainly salty bcs I spend all this patch building a set with bis rolls and i can’t even use it how I want now I think what could fix it for me and I think it would be good overall is if gemming = crafted

[rotund pawn]

Buy a pick axe and go to goblin caves for cobalt,iron, and copper (also gold if you kill both bosses) ruby silver is in inferno and frost stone you get after killing the wyvern

[rotund pawn]

Nah that’d be the same as non minted gear in arena I don’t think non minted gear belongs in arena personally and gems I don’t think will go up that much more they’re so easy to get so the supply is big and I get spending all that time just to not use it that sucks man

[little sage]

Yea Pickaxe is the only thing u need to mine any ore there are no specific class for them but mining is faster with classess with high resourcefullness

[devout rivet]

Anyone else's lobbies have like only 2 teams?

[coarse mirage]

does dex make bard songs faster

[little sage]

yup in highrollers for me

[calm sluice]

@rotund pawn I see what ur saying and I could be blinded by being annoyed but if u had to guess they might change it back at some point they flip flopped on it already

[heavy turtle]

nah is ironmace stupid or what why would they only have 2 sorcerer perks that dont have a downside to them

[rotund pawn]

I personally would not be surprised if they brought it back 😂😂😂 I wouldn’t be upset if they did

[heavy turtle]

might have to just rock 2 perks so i dont wait a year for my spells stupid ass devs

[gloomy owl]

what does the Centaur Hoof do

[cosmic swan]

Usually it's a quest item

[covert karma]

does strength stack with panther on top of agility?

[light aurora]

L Druid

[rapid vapor]

You still get the phys power bonus, but base damage is determined by agility

[subtle heart]

we need arena squire

[wanton otter]

Love a good ol' fashioned public execution. #📢announcements

[calm lava]

can someone help me? whats better for sorc true phys or strength

[wild orbit]

Neither, you want will/magic power/true magic

[devout spire]

@glad thunder Hoard interaction count has been slightly lowered. By almost half??? slightly.. Wasnt it 10 now its 6

[calm lava]

okay but i also wanna do damage with my swords so

[marsh adder]

your frost applies magic damage

[calm lava]

so stack true mag and will got ya

[wild orbit]

Yep

[marsh adder]

ya ya

[wild orbit]

Can someone show me where ironmace said monk is next?

[covert karma]

trust me they did broski

[wild orbit]

I believe it, I just wanna see it

I am curious how they're gonna implement it though

[ivory lantern]

if i mint gear on a character and use it on a different character for arena will i lose it if i lose?

[marsh adder]

no

[subtle heart]

so im confused, im level 22 druid doing duo with my friend, how am I supposed to do damage? Just use a spear? Seems kind of boring considering it has nothing to do with being a druid.. hm. Just not sure how to approach the class. Animal forms have low survivability

[wild orbit]

Panther form, stack AGI, hit and run or all in

[subtle heart]

ty

[wild orbit]

@subtle heart check DMS ill help you build BC I don't wanna wait 30s between messages

[high jetty]

Yo I have the Legendary Status purchase on my epic account but when i go in-game it says i dont have it, anyone know whats happening?

[obsidian shell]

stack str do bear, stack agi do panther, stack magic heal do spear 👍

[fiery hound]

Mine took a day to process when I bought shards from epic 6 months ago idk if it has changed tho you can always reach out to epic support

[dense trench]

Why did the new season get yeeted to 19 days???? It was just 5 days

[high jetty]

yeah but i got mine when it dropped for free

[tribal epoch]

how does gear in arena work, should I wear the best stuff I have since I cant lose it?

[wild orbit]

Yep

[quartz escarp]

unsure if it was fixed but minted gear has been disappearing in arena sometimes

[subtle heart]

so thats the 3 routes? For healing I use the spear and heal peeps other wise stack agil for feral dps, strength for bear?

[novel flare]

BRO WHY DID MY WHOLE KET JUST DESPAWN OFF MY BODY

[echo lake]

for real guys i need help with a bug on my account. i tried the "report a bug" but how could i actually get a dev or GM to help

[visual tendon]

@severe wagon its gonna fill 10 gold coins on all your stashes until it runs out, then the rest will go to waste

[severe wagon]

all pjs or only 1

[visual tendon]

only on the character that sold the item in the marketplace

[wild orbit]

How do yall think monk is gonna work?

[fresh plume]

Hi - I logged in today and found all of my stashes reverted to a few days ago. Is there a GM or someone from support I can talk to that anyone knows of?

[sly lagoon]

does anyone know if quick reload stacks with crossbow masterie?

[tribal epoch]

I think I lost a ring in arena if im not buggin, how does this work?

[wild orbit]

Unless the item says "found by you" it won't be kept in arenas

[tribal epoch]

oh bro it should warn u or summin wtf, i lost that for no reason

[wild orbit]

It does.....

[tribal epoch]

where? it does not, only warning is the legendary shit

[wild orbit]

I'm like 99% sure it gives you a warning the first time you open arenas

[tribal epoch]

well i dont remember seein anything, the squire should tell u

[wild orbit]

Look at what it says in the map selection when you pick arenas

[atomic spruce]

Sorry my guy, duped items. No sympathy’s from anyone here lol.

[fresh plume]

That's ACTUALLY crazy that you and the rest of this community is so toxic. Literally just asking for help and this is the response in both channels.

[wild orbit]

Have you considered, that PERHAPS that's because it's true????

[fresh plume]

No - because it's not. I'm a new player, I don't dupe, nor do I know how. Have you considered NOT talking if you have nothing valuable to contribute?

[wild orbit]

Lmfaoooooo

[obsidian shell]

does not

[wild orbit]

Depends on build

What do you wanna do with barb?

[sly lagoon]

@obsidian shell ty vm

[wild orbit]

Me personally, I recommend viking sword, round shield
Blood exchange and Achilles strike (you can easily get half of your health back if you use them together because every tick of Achilles damage heals you 10%
Robust, potion chugger, morale boost, and either berserker (extra dmg) or crush (can't run away)

[unborn ingot]

Hey i had a teammate following me and attacking me then healing me at every turn. He finally killed me and I reported him in the karma system for free as a team killer. I now have a 380 second team killer penalty. Is this a glitch or working as intended. I never attacked the teammate one but they may have been hit with a little splash from my spell casts?!?!?!

[fresh plume]

Don't bother asking for help here - They will just call you a team killer and not help.

[unborn ingot]

Are you saying that this is a known error or that splash damage of any kind causes penaly

Whats wrong with talking to others to know if this is a known issue or intended?

K thanks for talkning to me and i did not kill him so it must be a glitch. Thanks

[fresh plume]

I'm saying that regardless of your question, if you are asking for help here the community would rather call you a liar and not offer any assistance. I'm saying don't bother with them.

Also - I was asking to see if there was a way to maybe get a hold of a DM directly. For all the smack talk people do here on other games at least other devs have in-game support.

[wild orbit]

Just run the build I gave you, it'll work trust

[wild orbit]

This one @heady ridge

[odd rain]

why did they remove uniques from norms? bit of a shitty change

[fresh plume]

Thanks - They will MAYBE get back to me in 1 - 2 business days. Good shit.

[tall token]

TEAMATE DISCONNECTED AND I LOST ALL LOOT WHEN I WENT TO RED SDF=DUMBFUCK

[mellow peak]

peak dark and darker gameplay is camping at a blue static as a tank with a fuckton of health while you talk in the discord after looting a few boxes

[odd rain]

Yea but why... the loot buffs have been universally well received

[mellow peak]

btw they introduced more audio bugs since the first patch after new wipe update, sometimes my audio device doesnt pair and this is the ONLY game I have to relaunch when swapping audio devices.

[flint bison]

yhis is bs cant even boss cause all the gold farmers and ppl teamiong and geting a lobby wipe dosent even matter anymore and now they nerfed drops???? like this games going dowwwwwwwn hill faster then my whre of a mom goes down on the street

[mellow peak]

if i nolifed this game hard i feel like teaming, or playing rogue/bard/druid at the highest level, is just so broken, that if you die to one of these things happening you log out and dont wanna log in again lol

[raw trail]

Why does everyone use Lanterns against Barbs?

[pallid shoal]

Because easy to block and the riposte is 2 attacks that are pretty quick and damaging
Thought you meant lanternshield

[raw trail]

nope just single handed lanterns + another single handed weapon

[flint bison]

this games so bad hows anyone supose to make gold if i cant boss due to all the asian gold farmers and 3rd partys

[pallid shoal]

Plain lanterns have +stats, probably looking at +phys damage or +agi lanterns. People use them all over the place.

[raw trail]

aahhh - okay so tldr: They provide additional stats 👍

[pallid shoal]

Yes and they rarely have penalties for said stats, so they're very nice

Exact;y

[rustic laurel]

is gold armor available now?

[stuck crescent]

yo how could i get more class discussion channels i only have rogue and i want druid

[limpid flume]

channels and roles at the very top
under the banner

[stuck crescent]

nice i didnt see that

[limpid flume]

just clck it and scroll down

[lunar wigeon]

yo does anybody know what module giant ice spiders spawn in frost mountain? I know i fought them while they dropped from the cieling once but I forgot where and now i have a quest for it

[flint bison]

top ;eft

[lunar wigeon]

❤️

[keen mauve]

1 spawns in the Huts (forgot real name) and 3 spawn top left

[lunar wigeon]

my midnight saviors

[flint bison]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/IceCavern-01-N

use tht for locations of things

only thing its not updated is the new crpts

[lunar wigeon]

yo is anybody else havign super long queue times?

nvm im dymnb i was in trios for some reason

[ebon furnace]

search 8 min in messages and u will see how many players joins at 8 mins @sturdy raptor

killing mobs and searching for exit takes 8 mins alr

[sturdy raptor]

maybe

[mellow peak]

so frost caves 300+ extract is just free

everything dies 1 hit static right next to u

[cobalt marsh]

where game suggest-chat?

[steel trout]

Best race?

[subtle heart]

why are men failing at every matric we can measure compared to women? the dispiraty between the genders is huge, men have the least education they had, men are comiting 4x more suicides, men are going to prison much more, why are we failing men, can we also not forget men while also uplifting women? and why is this sexist towards women, to care about men, are women this selfish, that they want evertything for themselves?

[subtle heart]

All because they changed the stair use to one

[cobalt marsh]

But men are strong. So go ahead.

[abstract ocean]

nah ive been rizzing up laezel and shadowheart but now I have to pick one (shadowheart) "lust destroys relationships"

[patent perch]

Any input on how to get the holiday ale tankard?

[inland stirrup]

how could i determine somethings going price on the market?

[digital zodiac]

random number generator

[inland stirrup]

XD

[digital zodiac]

just look up the item and its rarity and the best stats (looking at how long the items have been listed to see if its over price and no one is buying them) then use that as reference

[sullen thorn]

So did they not implument the warlock buff?

[hot walrus]

i cant wait for dark and darker to get fixed

[subtle heart]

Question, is this game on alpha? im a new player

[deft bramble]

bruh wtf is this bullshit with explore quests, ive been running around crypts for the last 2 hours specifically trying to find pyramid but i havent had it spawn at all and im tired of zig zagging around the fucking map for a module that refuses to spawn

like this shits ridiculous

[barren orchid]

Sorry not sorry sorc doesn't need a longsword

takeitaway

[mighty basalt]

I swear my whole team was able to take the stairs extract earlier this week but now when we try only one person can go through, has it always been like this?

[coarse dock]

@sturdy raptor tbh I think the bardiche is a shadow of its former glory

[sturdy raptor]

yeah lowkey true i still run it though im like the last bardiche champion among a sea of longswords

[coarse dock]

I used to use it alot, fuck I used it since pt3, but it's poke does less damage than a sweetspot first hit, has a slow combo, and has a 70 percent sourspot

[lunar wigeon]

hey whats the best class to farm troll ?

[sturdy raptor]

its really good at keeping people away though like i rarely have people try to push INTO me if im swinging that thing around

[coarse dock]

A high pdr fighter chews barb alive (unless reckless)

[sturdy raptor]

bard or rogue and @coarse dock warmaul

[coarse dock]

Depends, warmaul is shit if fighter sourspots

[hallow solstice]

This was changed today. Read patch notes.

[sturdy raptor]

i mean everythings shit if it sourspots

[mighty basalt]

Thanks

[coarse dock]

And I find it super easy to block (granted I use buckler and it only works if they don't have crush)

[tall rover]

can you still get chests from hr pile spectral

[lunar wigeon]

ty i guess ill try rogue

[coarse dock]

The type of barb I hate is probably felling axe and hatchet

[lunar wigeon]

what weapon yall think is best on rogue for troll ?

[subtle heart]

They devs are sm,0k1ng d?ck that’s why

[coarse dock]

Stil/rondel

[lunar wigeon]

bet tysm

[subtle heart]

The Fall Of Dark And Darker Begins with The Goober Dev that thought this patch Up

[lunar wigeon]

Doomers mad

[sturdy raptor]

as a respectable barbarian crush and iron will are everpresent in my perk catalogue you will never find me without them

[olive socket]

finally gave us a magic user counter then swiftly nerfed it

[limber lion]

yo do any of u guys know how to take a pickaxe from the squire its not an option for me

[sturdy raptor]

we cant have everything lord forbid casters are not strong in melee combat mboy

[sweet pulsar]

can you not start with the new mystic hood?

[olive socket]

Yeh but, should be a 50/50. Fighter gets PDR. Barb should get MR. i want 75% MR to be achievable with some half decent rolls

[sturdy raptor]

lowkey idk why people complain about barb when fighter gets like 4 perks to make himself unkillable in melee

“oh but barb can uh do damage! so can fighter after you hit his dinky little metal stick”

[frosty prairie]

what a take

[sturdy raptor]

fighter role

[frosty prairie]

no way

[ivory night]

I genuinely don't understand how duos or trios are su ppose to extract with this new patch and the single use static extracts, am I missing something?

[turbid pine]

only stairs are single use
you still have portals that spawn in sets of 3, as well as map specific extracts like boats, elevators, and bridges

[ivory night]

Ohh okay makes sense, where do the portals spawn though? Are they random or is it the same place every time? I have only ever found one a single time

[turbid pine]

they have set locations
and they have an icon on the map just like stairs do

[ivory night]

Wait fr? Damn I guess I just suck at the game

[lunar spade]

They spawn in the same place. Stairs being single use seems a backwards step especially on persistent dungeons. You spawn onto maps with only 2 or 3 viable exits and if you are a team its even worse as the only viable exits are congested

[lunar spade]

What map are you playing? Ice cave doesn’t have portals to my knowledge so maybe its just that?

[ivory night]

What's even worse than that is that the team exists aren't even usually contested, they're just gone lmao

[turbid pine]

"team exits" like boat and elevator and drawbridge don't dissapear though
they have cooldown periods but they can be used infinitely

[ivory night]

You're kidding me haahah... yeah I've been spamming ice caves

[turbid pine]

yeah ice caves is the only map without portals
it has stairs, boats, and an elevator

if you go down to ice abyss, there's portals and rope

[nova bolt]

how do i list an item in trading post

[olive socket]

control click i tink

[winged gazelle]

how much is troll hammer worth?

[uneven garden]

People that is playing barb how do you feel barbarian after the patch (As a barbarian main player for 1 year i can say the iron will is nice that they nerf it but the health is annoying as hell) What are your opinions as a barbarian i mean.

[lunar wigeon]

mfw i found a dupe

[sturdy raptor]

i mean id rather have my pdr nerfed than my health

they dont go around nerfing the fighter armour perks do they

[hazy sparrow]

anyone that still having the infinite connecting problem on epic, know a workaround?

[exotic gust]

armor makes you slower, health doesnt

[sturdy raptor]

wow… would be a shame if they had a perk that reduced the armor slowing penalty

[olive socket]

rogues face tank kill me all the time. Really stupid they nerf barbarian while having no weapons that are as wieldable as a rondel dagger.

[exotic gust]

that changes nothing about what i said

[fluid reef]

Got excited thinking they finally gave alittle love to warlock curse of weakness only to find out that the have yet to add the additional effect

[olive socket]

What i mean to say is. Barbarian is dumb. But no way rogues facecheck barbarians and win. Where is the damage? Jesus where is it? Double axe is ass. Felling axe misses. Bardiche slaps but dont miss. Where is another weapon that is actually usable for Barb? No new weapon in how long? 20000 years?

[exotic gust]

use 1h weapon and shield vs rogue if you keep wiffing felling axe shots, makes it alot easier

[olive socket]

50% action speed dagger = NO WINDOW for swing

[hardy stump]

Or they did and description is messed up

[bitter blade]

does your gear need to be found by the character or your account for it to save in arena

[olive socket]

IM TIRED OF THIS NONSENSE. Im playing warlock

[gilded plume]

how do I pick a Item that I want to trade?

[pastel nacelle]

eariler i was playing arena and wasnt losing my gear when i lost and now i lose and i lost everything

[fluid reef]

They stated that it reduces armor and MR now but when testing, it showed no reduction at all for either stat

[uneven garden]

im agree in high roller is crazy how a rogue can face tank a barb dude

[pseudo zinc]

they ever gonna give melee some actual proper overhaul to give it more skill or is it always going to be a DPS fest with footsies?

[solid plaza]

just closed game thinking that after rogue just tanked 4 longsword hits while killing me in same 4 hits with dagger

-25 place btw

[fluid reef]

Probably because the rogue was up in your ass and the sour spot on the Longsword was hitting him

[solid plaza]

i got 1st hit in his head thats why i didint keep distance because i thought i definetly will outdamage him now

[pseudo zinc]

its not even the fact that he can 4 tap you. Its just the fact that he isnt punished for a bad push, because there are no bad pushes. the only bad pushes in this game are the ones where you have less dps than your opponent in 99% of fights

[solid plaza]

anyway im back to palworld big update there xD

[hearty fiber]

is anyone else running into a bug where youre buying a kit then it puts you in a match spectating teams and when you leave your whole kit that you bought is just gone ?

[pseudo zinc]

a longsword poke is going through your entire body if you wanna make that argument but aight

[solid plaza]

nah man cloth armor protect rogues from any damage while fighter wearing plate

[pseudo zinc]

this game really would be better if it just admitted it was trying to take on after chivalry, right now its combat is just like this weird mishmash of DND damage stacking and precise hitboxes but it has NONE of the upsides of either games combat

there are at least 4 swords I can think of in the game in my head and only 1 of those weapons can block much less riposte, and out of the entire army of weapons theres only one other weapon that can riposte. that being a FUGGING FLUTE

[topaz lintel]

W arena changes tbh

[surreal tangle]

How much is famine worth

[pseudo zinc]

I knew they were assets but theres no way the animations are also included in those sets, thats actually absurd dude

[jagged charm]

is sorcerer good for newbies ?and is he good class?

[surreal tangle]

It's a good class, easy to learn

[jagged charm]

hmm

[pseudo zinc]

unironically I need proof because thats just mind bogglingly stupid

[uneven garden]

Sorcerer is not an easy class for a beginner haha he is trolling

[topaz lintel]

people like to pretend they know stuff lol. everyone thinks all the assets are ripped from asset store in this game because some random dude made a video saying that way back. this isnt dungeonborne.

[runic cliff]

ı am playing trio butın game ı am solo

[pseudo zinc]

no see tho, youre wrong. Theres an entire spreadsheet for every asset in this game. 99% of the game is assets, but I didnt think the animations mightve been one of them too

[nova mauve]

I think a simple way to put it, is this games combat feels very jank with no real systems in place besides resistances vs damage plus body part multipliers.

[keen oak]

welp done with all quests already..

i like the melee combat in this game tbh

[limpid flume]

how long will nicholas be as a merchant? im late to the season events

[topaz lintel]

prove it.

[sand orchid]

why are frozen iron so cheap?

[pseudo zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hzJwYlZjj8VT39dEErQBX_4DGt-gZ0MnlSI_keyXO4I/htmlview#gid=0

done 😄

[nova mauve]

I'm not, this games combat has more cons than pros to me, in terms of enjoyment.

[topaz lintel]

thanks now i can build my own version of dark and darker

[surreal tangle]

The winter holiday cosmetic items will end sale on January 8th. Probably around this time

[pseudo zinc]

bro, im an amateur at blender and they could hire me and I think Id unironically do better with animations if anything.

[limpid flume]

oh im sorry i mean like ingame. the merchant. i just saw you can collect candy canes and get purple items

oh wait okay

[topaz lintel]

where is the longsword tho i dont see it in that list

[pseudo zinc]

you have to actually sift through the packs sometimes. Armor packs, weapon packs, not everything is explicitely shown on promo images but if you look at the armor sets, all they did was remove parts of the armor. Id imagine these packs have weapons that arent listed. Especially since they all have this very cookie cutter artstyle, theres no way theyre unique assets.

[topaz lintel]

wait ghost king from game the actual asset is called that too so they didnt even rename it ong wtf

[shut rover]

anyone know if they've made the timer for being able to go down a floor in frost caverns shorter than last wipe, like they did for crypts?

[nova mauve]

Lol

[pseudo zinc]

literally all they need is universal blocks for weapons and ripostes for others, the ability to do whatever swing you want in the combo, and punishments for whiffing. Theres no actual downside to missing because you get to do another, more powerful hit.

hey now give him a break its not his fault, its not exactly common knowledge unless you know where to look

[topaz lintel]

ong as a sign of repentance im eating my cat rn my bad

[nova mauve]

@pseudo zinc that'd be interesting, but sadly they are going to spend a season flip flopping skills, perks and numbers and thinking about what to do regarding movement speed and casters/ranged classes. Doubt we are getting any meaningful combat changes.

[spark wing]

Honestly, I don't have alot of time to play anymore. Yesterday - I play arena and get to wear in any gear without losing it. So played and saved up some money, bought some decent purples and 2 legendary items. Go into my first Arena game tonight after this recent update, and I lose all my gear? Absolutely horrible game design and 0 catering to player base. The reason I stopped playing this game in the first place was because of the constant changes and not being able to keep up. Bravo Ironmace, you've done it again. Y'all have fun wasting time on this game, I would advise spending your time learning to trade meme coins instead of playing a meme game.

I would advise spending your time learning to trade meme coins instead of playing a meme game.

[topaz lintel]

its not that bad you just have to craft / find good items now instead of just buying them and you wont lose them

[subtle crest]

whats the point of put me into a game thats ending in 8 mins. i keep getting put in at the last few minutes

[ornate patio]

Oh this is funny.
Tbh the ghost king isn't a good asset, it's flimsy and glitchy, would have been a lot better if they paid a guy to remake it into an actual creepy wraith.
Having a floating bedsheet as a boss fight isn't that cool.

[topaz lintel]

lol tbh when i first saw it in game i thought "why is the boss a dirty rag that floates"

[ornate patio]

So much for a creepy spooky ghost, it's comedic.

[jade delta]

so many new players coming, and so many old players leaving
so rare to find anyone who aint a complete timmie

[topaz lintel]

they need to add thomas the tank engine boss that just randomly smashes through all the modules and kills everyone that would be scary af

[ornate patio]

Imagine this, They add a skeleton king boss fight.
They give it the voice of skeletor.

[topaz lintel]

loool

[chilly wigeon]

Have you removed the dropout of unique items in a regular dungeon, and the keys from bosses or skeletons of champions continue to fall, or have they also been removed ?

[modern monolith]

Hey guys. New player here. When I played with my friends 2 days ago, we all could take the same exit when leaving a dungeon. Now when one takes the exit, it stops working. Did anything change or has it been like that always?

[nova mauve]

the nerve of this bitch!!

[ornate patio]

Depending on what artist you pick, making an awesome model. Wouldn't cost too much, anywhere from 5k to 10k,which for the purposes of a larger game, isn't the worst, this would be including designing and everything.
It's a boss after all.

[topaz lintel]

question : what happened to parthaxian did he get fired ?

[pseudo zinc]

you could also fix ranged by just simply making it so they have to hold the bow for a second to get full damage.

[ornate patio]

Tbh I'd also like it if I wasn't stuck drawing the bow if I accidentally left clicked.

[sleek lark]

Have devs said anything about making the map effect damage not break rogue invis? its rlly annoying not being able to use hide for the last 2:30 of the match trying to fight people for portals bc the map damages you every second

[ornate patio]

Yes, but the epic boss fight is just you fighting a creepy bedsheet with some holes in it, pretty much worth 20$

[topaz lintel]

does it actually bother people that much though? a lot of the assets look pretty nice, and they are made for people to use right? i dont really see that big of a deal. but it would be nice if they at least added some unique changes / flare to them or something i dunno. ultimately its not that big of a deal though right?

[ornate patio]

Yeah, the bedsheet is just an outlier, the game is made to be like an old fantasy game, uhhh, bad pick for a model.

[limpid flume]

i love when ur a little loot goblin risking it for the biscuit

[topaz lintel]

yeah they need to change that it just looks weird. on a side note, where is the harpy asset? i need it for research purposes 😄

[ebon furnace]

@next anvil yeah thats why we want bought gear doesnt get deleted in arena

[topaz lintel]

yeah im more of a unity guy myself i just find the scripting etc a lot easier to do. i tried unreal a few times and just couldent get "into" it, but for high fidelity stuff i find it has much nicer stuff than unity

[pseudo zinc]

when its literally impeding the development process yes its a huge deal. The main reason they couldnt even get random dungeons down is because these premade assets probably gave them more hassle than yanderedev trying to code a clock.

[topaz lintel]

i dont think them using premade assets would make it harder to "randomize" dungeons though?

[pseudo zinc]

I feel like it just has unexpected consequences when youre using tiles that are nowhere near meant for that sorta thing. Theres been reports of people literally loading into inescapable squares and just having to wait for death.

[topaz lintel]

i thought they fixed that ( spawn point issue not module issue? )

[jagged charm]

can someone tell me how to go bare hands

[limpid flume]

sorry am a newb
are there any base gear with memory capacity i can get by leveling affinity?

[severe bay]

X

[limpid flume]

thats what ive been trying to do isnt there a cap?

[pseudo zinc]

it might not be, but I just definitely dont have much faith in them that it somehow didnt considering theres been so many devs that somehow make completely non issues game breaking out of things that should nowhere near be so.

[limpid flume]

wait u know what
im dumb
i answered my own question

[spark wing]

This guy lol

[ebon furnace]

you got mental issues farming g is way easiter than obtaining very good items @cobalt belfry

[lone tide]

If i loot something on one character can i use it in arena on a different character without losing it??

so its only bound for that character?

[vestal silo]

I dont understand why wolf hunters, brave hunters, tri-pelts etc. aren't unlocked. They are all rare rarity craftables. We do have cobalt unlocked.

[cobalt belfry]

ah yes... the new player experience... "damn i need to buy some gear in order to be able to fight... let me go quickl;y farm 10k gold its so easy'

[lone tide]

unfort...

[pseudo zinc]

Considering that someone earlier told me a lot of the things they've been making like blocks and ripostes/special attacks for weapons also being assets, it does literally impede it though, at least indirectly. Instead of having a few really well made weapons they have like 15 that are bordering on incomplete when it comes to actually being fun and engaging, the same goes for mobs. This game isn't popular because it's truly great. It's popular because it's at least mediocre and scratches a genre that almost Noone else has even tried to touch.

Especially when every new "content patch" is just another set of assets. More than likely with their own pre-made animations if the guy who informed me is right. If used improperly, yes, they can,will, and in this case, have impeded development because a lot of things in this game right now is just changing numbers until people stop crying instead of adding engaging mechanics or original ideas from their dev team. A lot of what they're doing is arguable when it comes to even being development rather than ongoing damage control.

[cobalt belfry]

bro good gear is ALL OVER THE place

[ebon furnace]

it does not matter i want to learn pvp

bought gear or gs arena

[cobalt belfry]

you make no sense at all

[ebon furnace]

bro you really think farming g is harder than obtaining gear

[woeful plume]

If you want to learn PvP, stay in the goblin caves. You'll get plenty of it there to hone your skills.

[ebon furnace]

yep but a cat with that has 1000 hours more play time from me joins 0-24 goblin

[cobalt belfry]

hahahahaha

[ebon furnace]

yeah thats i want equal fights in arena

[supple mist]

how you supposed to beat litch hr if it does back too back purple circle playing duos need some insight on this

[cobalt belfry]

you want equal fights in arena and playrs being able to buy stuff from market... what a regard :D:D

[pastel nacelle]

found by our account or character?

[ebon furnace]

i said bought gear or gear scored arena

[cobalt belfry]

new players can sop easily buy bis from the market god damn

[pseudo zinc]

Dude, no. A 4th map would be a waste because they already HAVE 4 with the only one people actually really like being locked behind another one (castle to ruins). That would be unironically worse than anything I've mentioned so far by a landslide. Adding more assets and monsters as assets would be bad, because all they gotta do is make what they have NOW better and more engaging! Quality over quantity, my friend. I'd rather have zombies and skeletons actually do some interesting things instead of just watching them waddle forward and do a swing for 70 damage because they're a nonthreat otherwise.

[ebon furnace]

why are you bitting mayhem lmao

like devs give a fak about their player

[woeful plume]

There is no way to pair you with someone else of equal skill level in the arena. The only adjustment that's stable across the board is gear score. I could have the BEST BIS in the game on, and 90% of the arena players are going to smoke me. So don't worry about gear, just practice PvP. And the easiest place to do that, while picking up some gear, is the Goblin Caves.

[surreal tangle]

How much is a Famine worth roughly?

[pseudo zinc]

It just sucks watching how they could do so much fun shit to make a casual audience at least semi invested while still pleasing the hardcore audience.

[olive socket]

about tree fiddy

[sturdy raptor]

bout 15 goblin ears if its bis

[ebon furnace]

trying to pratice in goblin caves but i dont know why it keeps putting me on games at 8 mins and people exit off the map at that minutes

or get killed

[hazy onyx]

Hey does anyone have advice on the spectral knight's wide sweep move? Not the phase change one

[ebon furnace]

I'm trying to fight guys who play 12 hours a day at 0-24

[fresh lion]

guys what do i do with this gold key i just got?

[cobalt belfry]

yeah it's gonna be better to be in BIS fighting people in BIS

[ebon furnace]

just shut ur mouth mayhem

[surreal tangle]

Hold it or use it to trade for something

[woeful plume]

If you don't know what it's for, best bet is to sell it, buy some stash tabs.

[cobalt belfry]

such a big difference wow, i either fight exeperienced people in equal sht or equal bis much wow

[ebon furnace]

wtf is this gatekeeping lmao are you ceo of dnd go lick boots

im not talking to you dont talk with me

[cobalt belfry]

i am not gatekeeping, mint gear is better for the game going forward in the long run, you are just too new to the game to realize this, that's okay once you get some experience you will learn the right way

[ebon furnace]

like im talking to 13 year old kid lmao

[cobalt belfry]

new players thinking they know what's best for the game gege

[woeful plume]

Exactly, people are trying to help you, and you aren't listening. lol

[hazy onyx]

A new player and old player have the same weight to their opinion???

[cobalt belfry]

his overall point is "if i am a new player that wants to learn pvp in arena, it's gonna be far better if i can buy bis gear from the market in order to fight other people in bis'

how do you buy bis you ask as a new player? its super easy bro trust him

[ebon furnace]

i did listen to you this guy just calls people regard over. instead of explaining

[hazy onyx]

I'm not asking, I think fresh perspectives on the game are valuable

[cobalt belfry]

if you goal is to improve new player pvp experience in arena.... being able to buy gear from the market isn' the way to go chief.. come back to this argument in a few months and see if you still think that

[ebon furnace]

over months this games player count be less than 5k 😄

[golden yacht]

personally, i dont think having the same class should be available to random parties if it isnt for premade ones

[ebon furnace]

because they dont care about new players

[cobalt belfry]

you have no idea what you are talking about it's so funny

[woeful plume]

Could be. But people have been saying that in here for over a year now, and well, it's still going pretty good for a pre-releaase game.

[cobalt belfry]

if you can safely farm thousands of gold as a new player to buy bis from the market in order to pvp in arena... you are no longer a new player

[hazy onyx]

Devs probably shouldn't be listening to most of us anyway, new or old

[golden yacht]

lets be honest tho, pre-release doesnt mean anything anymore. every game is pre-release now, what matters is keeping your player base and growing it at the same time

[ebon furnace]

I just want to know, do you think the developers gonna bring what you want to the game?

[woeful plume]

I agreee. The devs just have a strange way of doing business. lol If they wanted to boost their numbers, they should have done like Gray Zone Warfare and have two options, pvp or pve.

[hardy stump]

Devs expected 3k so....

[ebon furnace]

this game boosted by some youtubers

[hardy stump]

Not even a single well known one played it

[ebon furnace]

All of my friends who played the game saw it from stimpee

im not saying this game isnt good its good but they need to listen their players instead of nerfing over and over

[jagged charm]

which class is broken according to you guys (i know the game is balanced but you know wink wink)

[golden yacht]

PREACH BROTHA

[golden yacht]

exactly, these devs like to go 2 steps back and 1 step forward with a lot of their big changes.

[pastel nacelle]

what do gingerbread cookies do?

[ebon furnace]

feeds you why you look like aang tho

[golden yacht]

last quest for st nicholas. gets u a gold coin bag but you need 100 of them

[woeful plume]

They are for a quest. You need like...a LOT of them. I think I've found like...8 so far. hah

[hazy onyx]

gingerbread is way more rare than it should be

[jagged charm]

is warlock good for newbies and is he meta?

[hardy stump]

Go HR

[golden yacht]

facts, its worth to just save the 10k gold for a gold coin bag rather than trying to get to 100 cookies. if you buy 100 cookies from the market its like over 100K lmao

[wind venture]

I played 6 games, I still haven't found the old tomb, pyrmid, and prison B. This is such a BS quiests.

[golden yacht]

even in HR theyre not that common, not enough to get to 100 without religously playing this game

[hazy onyx]

Does anyone know how to dodge spectral knights's wide splash, not the phase change one?

[woeful plume]

I had trouble finding the barracks. So I just went in with Squire gear and refused to loot anything, just crossed the map as fast as I could with the time I had to open as much as possible. Short version...it didn't work, but I ended up spawning into the barracks one time. lol

[hazy onyx]

Randomized dungeons suck ass

[limber dune]

oh i swear i didnt get old tomb for about 20 games in a row

[golden yacht]

i like randomized, but get rid of the fog of war and randomize spawns

[hazy onyx]

I just don't think the new dungeons work well with the quests, especially the exploration ones

[woeful plume]

Another strat I tried was going in with TRIO's and everyone went in a different direction. You might try that.

[jagged charm]

is warlock good for newbies and is he meta?

[hazy onyx]

No, and no meta rn

[vestal silo]

ok bards; hands down most demanding class in the game bar none. I just picked it up for the first time since I have feared how hard it was. Absolute respect to all bard mains out there. Also IM please do something about quality of life for bards. Swapping between instruments in quick bars absolutely does not cut it. Also having to fill up all quick slots with instruments, feels incredibly bad. It's hard to sympathise until you try it yourself

[hazy onyx]

SO REAL

[limpid flume]

my favorite as a bard, not sure if its patched, but you could take a purple lute in gear >24 and go ham with it lololol

[woeful plume]

Ya, bards can be fun if you just solo dungeon crawl. But if you want to be effective pvp with them, you have to be some kind of magician. lol

[stone falcon]

Yeah I watched a video yesterday where a cleric fought a bard and it was so cancer to watch in the perspective of the cleric. All this running back and forth is so damn annoying and makes me wanna quit this game

[vestal silo]

I'm thinking maybe what about even not requiring them to swap manually between instruments. Make them just have to select song and automatically it will do the right instrument for you. What do you think? Would it be too easy you think? Also instruments should just be on a separte kind of slot. They could just implement another slot on all classes. Make that an arrow slow for rangers and instrument slot for bards. Perhaps you could have a collective slot for all instruments where you put different instruments inside. So when you actually play you just select the instrument slot, then you select your song. So you dont have to individually press an instrument, but you have to select your common instrument button the same way all spellcasters have to selcet book or staff. Then you select song and it just autoselects instrument. You can still put individual instruments inside that instrument slot however so that each instrument can proc their stat lines. @hazy onyx @limpid flume @woeful plume

[wanton pond]

What do gingerbread cookies do?

[scenic bramble]

Cleric is gonna win against a bard… that’s expected and normal.

Now put the cleric up against a mage and see the true definition of running back.

[hardy stump]

Depends on build, but playing easy builds you might as well just play fighter

[vestal silo]

you can hand them in to sain nicholas for his last quest. He requiers 200 of them. The reward is a coin bag and 50 affinity. I think after you do that quest you also unlock legendary gear in the saint nicholas shop.

[hardy stump]

Bards beat clerics easily, competent ones at least

[vestal silo]

A good bard. However the skill ceiling to master a bard is much higher than that of a cleric.

[scenic bramble]

I do imagine cleric has a slight advantage… but ya.

[stone falcon]

Yeah well the bard won and I'm just talking about how much classes can kite which makes playing slower classes such as barb, fighter, cleric etc not fun to play against such kite classes. I'd rather run away from them as a shield fighter

[wanton pond]

Bruhhh that's like 60k gold worth of gingerbread and I rarely find them on my own lmao forget that its a sellable afaic

[vestal silo]

Yeh. The reward itself is not worth it. It's only potentially worth it for unlocking the legendary gear that he sells for candy canes, since candy canes are fairly cheap. But that gear is not minted, so Im not really sure if its even worth it. But unlocking the legendary gear would be the only potential argument for completing the quest since selling gingerbreads are really lucrative atm.

[scenic bramble]

As a rouge I run in their face and either kill them or die. Oh wait… that’s what I do with every class. :/ some classes are very simple. Press e, stand in place… hope they get close, stab. If not run in their face. That’s the rouge experience.

[jagged charm]

man i am kinda confused like how you guys name your multiple class

[hardy stump]

Not much skill in shriek, 300ms and True dmg survival bow kiting

[stone falcon]

I duo with my buddy (a rogue) every season and we usually try to ambush enemy teams, when we see a team he hides in a dark corner and I bait them. It works out very well. I can also stall a while as a shield fighter with perfect block to give my rogue a good opportunity to strike the "softer" enemy player while the dealer is busy with fighting me

[vestal silo]

once you have the bard muscle memory I think it's not such a big effort. But learning the bard takes alot more effort than learning the cleric. I say this as a cleric main. The fact is that there isnt many classes in the game that cleric beats in a 1v1. The exception being melee classes. But even they if they have enough ms will run circles around the cleric. The cleric shines in trios.

[stone falcon]

Rogue has good ways of fighting, you don't have to go head on against everyone

[scenic bramble]

Obviously there’s more play in teams… that’s true for every class. :/ but you essentially described what I do. Hide, hope they get close… if not, run in their face.

As a solo that’s all I can do on a regular basis… and that’s cool. I like the simplicity.

[woeful plume]

@vestal silo I am arguably the worst Dark and Darker player that's been at it for over a year. I am not the person to ask about such things. lol

[rigid zealot]

so i jus lost 90% of 50k arena kit... did they change it to minted?

[vestal silo]

yeh. As per stated in the patch notes yesterday. Perhaps they should put a warning on arena similar to how gear brackets use to be. Where you are told you are wearing unminted gear are you sure you want to go in.

[hazy onyx]

A loss means you lose your stuff, its awful

[hazy onyx]

It should've been stated before starting an arena match, some people don't read patch notes

[vestal silo]

yeh I agree

[hazy onyx]

Really short sighted to not do that

[vestal silo]

agreed- They shouldn't just assume everyone playing the game is a member of the DC community and reads the patch notes. Some people just pick up the game from steam and play.

[jade delta]

trynna pvp in highroller is such bs, im trynna heal up while getting chased by horde of goblins for 7 minutes

[cobalt belfry]

IM and shortsighted stuff? noo..

[hazy onyx]

lol, they really don't know how to run this very well do they

[vestal silo]

I hate to say this, but that sounds like a skill issue. You should not plunge into a room without consderation of what mobs are there. Once you start aggroing too many mobs, in many cases you are screwed.

[limpid flume]

who ever carried me into the hell thank you
i love you
i got so many purps

[honest silo]

Fw people who help new players 🙌

[hazy onyx]

We love newbie helpers

[mild nimbus]

INSTEAD of Giving RANDOM PEOPLE breaking the game FREE LEGACY. Why TF would you not give it to people that HAVE BEEN a part of the game? SORRY GUYS. You missed it. You gotta check WHILE OUR GAME IS BROKEN on the most POPULAR HOLIDAY.

[hazy onyx]

fr, they give out a PAID edition for free, which is just a slap in the face to those of us who have supported the game for years at this point

[vestal silo]

I think it's fine that there is the occasional influx of new players. A big portion of the players will leave again, but some of them will become frequent players. Helps to bolster the player base. Idc if I paid and they get it free. More people in the game boosts my own game experience.

[turbid pine]

giving people who already paid for the game a redeem code for their friend (automatically, without having to claim it. and with a hefty time before expiration) would have been much better

it would have felt like a reward to the people who already paid for the game, with bolstering the playerbase by giving out free copies
AND really it just fits much better with the "Christmas spirit"

[hazy onyx]

Exactly, there were other ways to go about doing this and they chose to do the worst one (in my opinion)

[vestal silo]

thats fair. That could be done additionally. I also think their f2p model is flawed at best. The limit of 125 gs prevents the new f2p to get hooked. It kills the feeling of progress right of the bat.

[hazy onyx]

Wait they can't go high roller as f2p????

[vestal silo]

I dont think so no. So if you find a purple weapon you basically cannot use it. Maybe unless you go completely naked I think.

[turbid pine]

gear is pretty meaningless as progress anyway
build a good set just to get outsetted by someone who spent even more time and gold...no thanks
the only fun in the game for me is finishing quests in squire sets

[hazy onyx]

Gear differences have always been a big issue with the game, its better now but something always feels bad about it

[wind venture]

I swear the teleport on sorcerer is just such a stupid and unfair mechanic man. You finally get to them after being bunny hopped across the map, POOF, they are gone far behind you and bunny hopping again.

[limpid flume]

dang did not know they could teleport
thats p cool tho lol

[turbid pine]

they can but it means putting one of their few good dmg spells on cooldown for 30+ seconds

[hazy onyx]

I do not like the oversaturation of ranged classes, counterplay against them is never fun

[wind venture]

@limpid flumeCool? Sure, fun to play against? fuck no. Escapes like these shouldn't be a thing. You get punished for being out of range, and get punished for finally reaching them and prob be below half.

[slate helm]

does team exit not work?

[hazy onyx]

Punished for not running away more like lol

[vestal silo]

I have said in the past and still think the main issue is the power of the enchantments. The base attributes need linear progression, but the enchantments should be lowered to the lowest possible increment. You want to squish the strongest gear and the weakest gear as much as possible while also maintaining steady progression throghout the entire ladder of gear. There needs to always be incentive to get better gear, but the difference should be as small as possible to maintain a chance of actually overcoming someone in superior gear.

[hazy onyx]

Yeah, a full blue kit with bad enchants vs good ones might as well be white vs purple

[turbid pine]

my biggest issue is just that enchantments aren't interesting
I want additional mechanics on my gear, like a Thorns armor or Poison longsword
simple number changes are extremely boring

[tawdry torrent]

Bruh serious do something about this damn continous dungeon bollox for level 2 ice map. Before you might get 1 person contest you here and there for frost wyvern, no its EVERY SINGLE TIME 3 or more players contesting its a damn joke

[vestal silo]

Actually patch 69 could be viable with the implementation of gem socketing.

[tawdry torrent]

not to mention 13k dungeons and i consistently have the same 10 players every single damn time. HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE

[vestal silo]

I think that could be the difference betwee different types of gear instead of putting it as rolls. For instance there could be a sword or knife applying antiheal, but sacrificing base damage. There could be an ince staff enhancing power of ice spells, fire staff enhancing fire spells. Armor with thorns. Armor that procs a shield on impact. Etc.

[hazy onyx]

Mid match joining is just a bandaid solution to low player counts right? This can't be permanent right?

[vestal silo]

I think a reque system would be superior to continous dungeon. Instead of having each layer be the same as the previous floor in terms of players, each layer should have a mix of players from different first floors. Make a small que of 1-2 min where you can stash gear in expressman and campfire. This would make each layer come alive instead of everyone dying of at floor one and the remaining layers being empty. Potentially each layer could have a half time where there is a potential for maybe one team to join in for a slight influx of players in lobbies and to create some unpredictabiltiy.

[sharp sparrow]

yeah

[hazy onyx]

Exactly, top levels are full of people, lower layers where fighting should happen over high tier loot are barren

[tawdry torrent]

thats 100% false ice caverns level 2 is FULL of people as i complained about above

[hazy onyx]

This is more a ruins thing

[tawdry torrent]

is hell empty? if so i might have to switch the gameplan and hit those bosses

[hazy onyx]

I've barley seen anyone down there

[vestal silo]

I think he was refering to how it used to be before continous dungeons. As in what they tried to alleviate with continous dungeons. However the current solution seems very suboptimal.

[hidden mulch]

I've seen a streamer be able to block with Crystal Sword with Warlock, while having spells. How is that possible ? What did they change lately ?

[tawdry torrent]

For me level 2 should just be the people who went down from level 1, theres no way that can possibly be the case right now

[vestal silo]

There I disagree. It used to be all fights happened at floor one and each layer after was just pve. This is really stale gameplay in my opinion. each layer should be a reque where every 2nd floor players are matched. The size of map generated could accomodate number of players up to a hard limit.

[tawdry torrent]

yeahh but when ur level 2 or 3 bossing u dont want to see a ton of people. To much competition for bosses is a bit nuts

[vestal silo]

I want competition, but I want some predictability, so that when I end up beating the competition, I know that there is no more competition and I can safely do the pve. A continious influx of players infinitely just makes everyone not want to make a move in fear of being the victim of third, fourth and fifth parties.

[hazy onyx]

Mathwing was talking about how there would be a que before entering the layers, just make the slots for each layer smaller

[serene anvil]

im very new to the game, been trying to do quests in crypts but i cant manage to find rooms and extract. is the map completely randomized every time you enter?

[hazy onyx]

Yes, all rooms are randomized in the crypts

[vestal silo]

each layer could have a different number of player slots and timers. The size of map could even vary with number of player slots since maps are randomly generated.

[hidden mulch]

Yes, they're trying random modules, for now only Crypt is random.

[serene anvil]

thanks a lot! been losing my mind

[vestal silo]

Another issue with contionous dungeons, is that it doesnt really work when most of the game is still not randomly generated. The sweats just end up rushing the red portals and go down to the high end loot. No exploration required.

[hazy onyx]

Did they put any of this on the test server first?

[vestal silo]

is there even a test server anymore? Test server was dead on arrival. I dont think theyve done any testing on it except maybe a brief time for multiclass

[hazy onyx]

Is there not? I thought there was

[clear wing]

how do i fix my cursor going onto the corner of the screen and not being able to work with the game?

[vestal silo]

No one uses test server, because it's just as grind as the main game. No one wants to spend their precious time grinding on a test server. Test servers need to have unlimited resources and levels, so you can really stress test the game. No one wants to spend hours to try out a specific interaction or game mechanic.

[vestal silo]

can you elaborate?

[clear wing]

when i move my mouse to the top left corner it becomes like the normal desktop mouse without the fancy pointer looking thing and i cant interact with the game
its really annoying i cant press the play button once i select a merchant or smthn

[vestal silo]

do you have multiple monitors? Make sure the game is running in fullscreen mode and not windowed.

[clear wing]

nah just the one
like i can highlight stuff and when my mouse goes over stuff like the legendary symbol in the corner it glows n stuff but i cant click on anything

[plush saddle]

so ive been having a terrible audio glitch where half the game's audio is displaced, i can only hear my own footsteps, chests, and hit effects but other players and the mobs i cannot hear

its been affecting 80% of my games and I lose 100% of encounters because I cant hear a single thing

anyone having similar audio bugs? im thinking its my setup

[vestal silo]

go to video settings and make sure your game is in full screen and not windowed fullscreen

[jade delta]

games dead, basicly no players since monday

[vestal silo]

not true

[uneven garden]

Wizzer that's a lie lol

[jade delta]

plunge into a room?
i was running across map for 7+ minutes from barb and 3 rogues, horde of goblins
trynna heal up and kill them

[river void]

Man trolls beating my ass I dont understand

[plush saddle]

honestly, most of my encounters are players waiting and getting the jump on me, given the glitches Im thinking of giving the game up, I have fun but it takes effort to have it

[vestal silo]

make sure you learn it on a high move speed, high attack speed class. Once you have the mechanics down, you can transition to your preferd class.

[steady kelp]

why is it so hard to add people in this game

[jade delta]

i used to play every day for couple of hours doing pvp with my duo
we havent been playing since monday cuz theres no good players left, just 4-6 complete newbies, per dungeon

[digital lark]

UNNERF CLERIC

[tawdry torrent]

Wizzer thats cap yo

[jade delta]

no players, lot of new players, but 0 old players

[clear wing]

that fixed it thanks
big up G

[sly nymph]

how many gold coins does a pouch hold compared to a bag?

[wise magnet]

Can anyone play Dark and Darker on Epic Games or you have infinte connecting?

[limpid flume]

the small pouch holds 50, not sure what the bag holds

[tawdry torrent]

gold coin bag holds 1000 coins

[deep frost]

yo why did i lost my gear in arena?

[tawdry torrent]

you will lose it if it isnt minted, if u bought it you will lose it i believe

[deep frost]

wtffff

just lost 20k gold

[limpid flume]

its reccomended not to do arena rn cus theres a bug losing ur gear

[quick trail]

Farm the Timmies to train them, mold them into stronger players fueled with hate

[vestal silo]

punch bag is 200, regular coin bag is 1k. Spectral bags idk. Coin chest is 10k

[vestal silo]

pouch* is 200, regular coin bag is 1k. Spectral bags idk. Coin chest is 10k

[icy bane]

Confused about arena and if you lose items or not. Previous message said you lose items not found but me, but then I did not.

[tawdry torrent]

spectral 2.5k

[vestal silo]

if you lose the arena match, you lose everything you are wearing that does not have a description at the bottom saying "found by "your character name"or "crafter by"your character name"". If you win the match, you keep everything regardless of status.

[bold cradle]

barb nerfs bless up life is good

[vestal silo]

was about time

[bold cradle]

still needs some more nerfs but ill take what we got absolute chimp class

[vestal silo]

as someone who plays alot of barb, I cannot disagree. They are absolutely overtuned. They could start by reversing some of the attribute buffs introduced in patch 69

[bold cradle]

trust me i get the feeling, I played 100 hours of barb last wipe its crazy, you are faster than everyone with 170 hp 50% pdr and mdr and two tap everyone that isnt a barb idk how it went from a B tier to S tier

[vestal silo]

yep its insane. they still have way too much base stats I think. Barb has almost no "dead" base stats. Fighter has 15 knowledge. The only use for that knowledge is the ability to drink a invis pot. Thats it. Sure resourcefulness on some of classes helps you open doors faster and slightly lower cd on skills, but barbs have crush, so doors just go down anways.

I also think they need to make plate armor and bows incompatible for fighters. You should not be allowed to use a bow while wearing plate armor. If you are a light armor fighter, I think you can be allowed to use bows. I still think weapon master needs to have its penalties increased to 10% and not 5%. It seems they think that since they gave it 5% on magic dmg too, it adds up to 10%. That doesnt work. It only applies to one weapon anyways. It should be 10% for each damage type. At least. Arguable maybe even more than 10% on the magic damage side.

[bold cradle]

I feel this way but with daggers, rondel fighter is still ridiculous, full plate armor but with sprint it doesn't even matter, honestly if you ask me, fighter, ranger, and barb are due for nerfs and have been for like 2 months now, feels terrible to fight any of them in solos

[river void]

how the fuck do I dodge the wide swing at troll, I cant figure it out

[vestal silo]

is it the one after he scream debuffs you? If so you kinda screwed up when getting screamed at. If its the one that procs when you strafe right, you need to hug his face and crouch. Im not sure if you also need to look down or not. You can walk away from him after you get scream debuffed, but there is a certain time window, and I do not know it. But I know some of the troll guides can tell you.

[stone cargo]

Power swings = duck/look down
Roar swings = RUUUUUUUUN….. and pray

[vestal silo]

I agree and disagree. I think the game should just never ever be balanced around solos. Solos has innate inbalance, and that is just the way it needs to be. It's unfortunate, but it has be that way. Unless you are gonna have different scaling for solos and trios, but I think that puts too much maintenance demand on the devs time.

[naive herald]

do you lose gear in arena?

[vestal silo]

gear that does not have the found by or crafted by the charater you wear it on status, is lost when you lose an arena match. If you hover an item and look at its stats, it will tell you at the bottom of the item description window whether it is crafter or found by a character.

[bold cradle]

thats fair, It is kind of a rock paper scissors kind of situation. Even in trios though I mean look at buff ball, granted you dont see too many rangers in trios but traps are still insane, but thats not the main problem for me its the bhop shoot reload endless cycle that will take you through 5 modules just to get instakilled by shotgun perk its so boring to play against

[vestal silo]

bhop should not be in the game i my opinion. Even if it adds to skill expression, it breaks immersion too much.

[bold cradle]

really they just need to fix the bhop shit already they already said its not intended

[lunar flax]

why tf i spawn in hell with no portals anywhere ggs

[jade delta]

game dead

[bold cradle]

cap

[vestal silo]

generally he will only scream when you maintain too much distance to him. You should never be at this distance over proloonged periods of time. The only time you make this distance, is when he two hand slams the ground. When he does this, you always immediately run back to him after the two hand slam is over. He may or may not scream after this depending on how soon you reappear in his vicinity. If he screams, he always screams in a cone shape. So you need to get close one of his sides.

[vestal silo]

that is one of the problems of them combining contiouns dungeons with limited use extraction points. Extracts should be infinte use, but always have a interaction requirement to use, to prevent fight escapers. Every extract and down stairs should function like the rope extract in goblin cave.

does anyone know if resourcefulness on bards apply to self cast?

[grim surge]

wow, i cant find a game in EU server, 2 days already, nice patch

[hazy onyx]

Funny thing is we did have that, and they removed it for some reason

[wild finch]

can i buy from market and use it in quest?

[hazy onyx]

no

[lunar spade]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-and-darker-darker-and-darker-ghost-escape-portal-gif-27540567

[vestal silo]

it depends on if the quest requires looted items or not. Some quests do not require items with looted status. Hover the item on the quest and it should tell you. For instance saint nicholas gingerbreads appear not be demanding looted gingerbreads, so they can be bought. In the past the ore for armourer did not have a looted requirement, but now they do.

[vestal silo]

lol

[hazy onyx]

I have not had that happen, prolly a bug

[empty adder]

was your 2nd health bar full?

unlucky, yeah probably a bug or smth

[jade delta]

dead game

[vestal silo]

do you actually have any constructive critique or are you just gonna input that same sentce over and over?

[jade delta]

no need for critique when there are no players

[empty adder]

least obvious ragebait sir

[winter marlin]

this game didn't need arena

[floral ledge]

bro they nerfed treasure piles so hard :sadge:

[knotty sun]

"Found gear by your character is safe." Used looted and found jewelry by my character and lose all three pieces.

[hardy stump]

Looted off bodies of other players do not count, it needs to have your name tag on item

[knotty sun]

Got them from treasure pile of cyclops

[vestal silo]

hover an item. If on the bottom of the window it says "found by x" then that item is minted to that character. You cannot transfer it to other characters and use it on them. It is bound to one character only. Same goes for crafted gear. It's only minted to the character that crafted the item.

[knotty sun]

Yes, it said found by "Infernous"

[vestal silo]

then it's a bug. And you used it on the actual character that found it? You didnt put it on another one of your characters?

[empty adder]

arena buggy rn

[knotty sun]

I lost my ally leg mace, but new thast was coming

[vestal silo]

let me just emphasize once more. It needs to be on the same character as the one that it is bound to when playing arena. If you find an item on your ranger that you want to use on your fighter and you transfer it to your fighter, it remains found by your ranger. So if you bring the item into arena on your fighter, it will be lost if you lose. If you actually found it on your ranger and played arena as that ranger and still lost it, it has be a bug

[knotty sun]

Yes, my Claric is my bosser. I also got warned by my team to do a triple check.

[scenic bramble]

How do I dodge petrification from Cyclops? Nothing seems to work…

[vestal silo]

did you lose all your items or only some of them?

[knotty sun]

Just the jewerly (found by infernous) and the mace (not found by infernous) that wasn't found by my character.

[vestal silo]

? so it works as intended then? Then I am really confused about what you are complaining about.

[knotty sun]

Edited statement.

[scenic bramble]

??????

[vestal silo]

well I cant say for sure if you might have made a mistake and thought it was found when it wasn't or whether its a bug then. It's weird why you would only lose the jewelry and not the rest of your kit. If you are able to, you should record from now on and report it.

[knotty sun]

only sad because my necklace was an amazing legendary with +1 all

[warm halo]

man legit worst change.... u can spawn right next to a person same f spot

[jade delta]

dead game
from 24+ players a lobby this monday, to 3 timmies a lobby

[scenic bramble]

?????????

[sonic epoch]

“The preseason arena is now open. In the arena, players will lose all items except for Found/Crafted items and utility items(excluding instruments, including arrows) upon defeat.”
Can someone that speaks American explain this

[scenic bramble]

I wish. It deserves to die after this patch.

[scenic bramble]

U lose items you didn’t find or craft when you lose in arena. So no bought items, unless u want to risk losing them.

[hazy onyx]

When you lose in the arena, all items that you bought in shops or market will be lost, items found in dungeon by YOU will be kept

[knotty sun]

The found/crafted by name has to match the character using it and it has to be looted. Even then it can bug and still rob you of items. Like it just did to me. I would say just pretend there is no arena and save yourself the waste of 10k in gear.

[warm halo]

no... they do their best ffs... but problems need to be told.

[jade delta]

what does that mean

[sonic epoch]

So you lose arrows too? If you play ranger ? And instruments? Cuz they worded that sentence like a 3 year old

[scenic bramble]

They are a company… their best is how to suck as much money out of u as possible. Making a fun game is secondary.

Hence instead o adding new content which would require then to spend money… they hide existing content behind grinding. Just grind. Cause fuck new content

[limpid flume]

bro what is this
why do ppl instant leave when they die
who told you to not dodge

[scenic bramble]

U lose arrows… not instruments.

[unreal python]

What should I prioritize taking in the dungeon, is it better to fill my backpack with all sorts of armor and weapons or is the jewerly better. I had to make a decision whether to take a rare piece of armor or a rare piece of jewerly. And then what should I spend the gold on? I have 1.300 gold and I don't know what to take.

[sonic epoch]

Ok they need soma to run the discord messaging or something because their translator ain’t working out.

[scenic bramble]

For new players gold is now useless other than socketing and consumables.

[unreal python]

So i should just save it?

[limpid flume]

wait why is gold useless?

[scenic bramble]

Pretty much… u can spend it on high roller gear. But get used to the normal game first.

[empty adder]

why are so many ppl complaining about how bad written the patches are when they are too lazy to even read them carefully xD
not knowing the difference between ex- and including lmao

[unreal python]

Oke thank you

[waxen storm]

anyone else having lag issues

[scenic bramble]

Can’t buy gear for arena, hence all u can do is save… as a new player. Or socket.

[limpid flume]

ooohh

[scenic bramble]

Could someone please answer this? I’m tired of killing troll… or dying to counters.

[subtle crest]

im getting good as barb. pretty fun too tbh

[empty adder]

[pastel nacelle]

is there 0 way to get an fps counter for this game??????

[limpid flume]

i think there is cus i see mine
no idea how to set it up though

[pastel nacelle]

i have it on the ironmace launcher

[scenic bramble]

Why do u need an fps counter for this game?!?!

[pastel nacelle]

do yk what tracker ur using

[empty adder]

nvidia or amd program?

[limpid flume]

nope
my bf does all of it

[scenic bramble]

AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[pastel nacelle]

i use nvidia and it only displays the gpu usage the fps says N/A

[subtle crest]

im bout to go to sleep xD

[pastel nacelle]

do u have the game on steam or ironmace

[empty adder]

got the same problem sometimes
i just reinstalled the whole thing and it worked for me

[winter tinsel]

You stay close and jump behind him

[pastel nacelle]

bro

[clever spruce]

how to i get a team killer banned? i have recording/SS they are killing their team in trios for their potions. Cant report through the in game thing

[scenic bramble]

How close? Do I have to be hugging him? Like, I’m in dagger distance I warp around him and he still gets me. Than I have to go invisible so I don’t die…

[empty adder]

i just stay close right to him and try to run behind him, seems to work for me

[limpid flume]

man >24 aint it
too many ppl rush in and die

[fervent anvil]

You walk behind it

[zenith fiber]

goblin recovery bugged on castle?

[winter tinsel]

It always depends but generally max hp, all attributes, move speed, true dmg, action speed, and dex/knowledge rolls sell the highest depending on the item.

For gold, gear if you like to run high GS brackets. Otherwise you can’t rly go wrong buying troll pelts since you can craft the coin bags that hold 1k. Think of it like a long-term investment. There is an auction house pricing website you can check mid raid too but discord won’t let me post it

[winter tinsel]

Close. Try to position more on the side so you can instantly jump behind

[plush quarry]

the limitedf exit is terrible for continues dungeon it doesn't work

[hardy stump]

Either continues dungeon goes or exits will come back in a week, and given sdf explanation on dungeons i bet its the exits that will come back

[south badge]

Game was more fun when portals were scarce and in random locations. Boring fkn game this turned into. Whining about never ending portals.

[turbid harbor]

has anyone yet confirmed if the Warlock's curse of weakness does actually reduce your PDR and MDR by 15%?

[winter tinsel]

I’ve only seen ppl saying it’s not working. No confirmation that I know of

[plush quarry]

u dont play gc theres more players then portals

[brave tendon]

i just got silenced by that stupid bird through walls and doors, i hadn't even entered the room it was in and yet he saw it through to fucking kill me through walls and doors

[south badge]

There’s a constant static exit at the center of the map that comes every few minutes. What?

And there should always be more players than portals. The point of the game is to have fun trying to get out

[plush quarry]

nothing fun about having ya exit taking early when u have a full inv and u die

[south badge]

Yes there is that’s literally what makes the game more fun good luck

[winter tinsel]

All my OG homies that used to play miss the BR circle so I feel ya

[umbral zenith]

BR circle is bad game design in an extraction game,

[terse prairie]

Ranger Cant Get spear anymore from Squire Gear atm btw?

[ashen kayak]

genuine question why does arena say out of 7 rounds, when every match ive been in ends at whoever wins the 3 first?

[umbral zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-laugh-sarcastic-fun-gif-12163274

[winter tinsel]

Yeah, i like both versions personally but imo it’s way less exciting securing your extract when you know exactly what modules and the locations

[empty adder]

lmaoooo

[winter tinsel]

Like inferno is 10x easier than it used to be

[umbral zenith]

Except you don't know what moduals they are now, (at least in crypt) because you can't see shit

[empty adder]

its best of 7 my man

[winter tinsel]

Yeah I’m hoping it’ll be more cohesive and fun when every map is randomized

[ashen kayak]

how though? if its first to 3 its best of 5?

[hazy onyx]

you know I just realized with the changes to portals/stairs, its possible to spawn into a dungeon with zero escapes

[ashen kayak]

honestly my only real complaint with this patch. I don't hate continuous dungeon or the the escapes being limited, but not both.

[empty adder]

so basically uhm yeah right sure man

[ashen kayak]

that's not an answer!

[empty adder]

its cause i dont know either lmao

[ashen kayak]

OH! I just thought i was confused. It's just bad, got it

[lean nebula]

manafold not reducing the full cost of time distortion spells seems pretty bogus

[vestal silo]

does arena have gear score brackets?

[pseudo spoke]

No

[analog mountain]

How stupid sre these devices no offense, persistent dungeons without persistent escapes, twice now I went to hell and 0 portals out.

[vestal silo]

it absolutely is problematic. Hopefully they will realise it and adress it as soon as possible.

[knotty bough]

it took almost 7 hours, but i finally learned how to full parry cave troll as fighter (never used longsword before this)

[empty adder]

how to avoid the aoe from the slam thing

[vestal silo]

run away. Sheate weapon if necessary if you are on a slow class.

[knotty bough]

if its the heavy slam, yeah just run away, the light one you just run to the left

[night pivot]

So we dont loose brought gear in arena atm?

[empty adder]

i stay on his left side to parry the light slam but still get the little aoe dmg
but its just skillissue i think

[brittle flame]

how do i connect my account to steam?

[surreal tangle]

Yeah skill issue, should be easy. You only get the AoE damage if you're too close to him

[wary hull]

with arena can you use items FOUND by other people or only yourself

[knotty bough]

ive honestly just been staying on the right side and taking a bit of the aoe, it makes it easier for me if i dont risk going on trolls other side tbh

[hollow coyote]

only yourself they changed it last patch

[empty adder]

too close to the troll or too close to his slam attack?

[hollow coyote]

PLS ffs pls make arena gear minted for every character on your account. its super duper frustrating and annoying to find arena bis on the wrong character. alle the time

[surreal tangle]

The slam

[surreal tangle]

Did you watch any videos on it? or just trying it for fun

[vestal silo]

anyone has a good youtube guide on how to longsword for me?

[empty adder]

im confident doing him (pause), just not with longsword

[surreal tangle]

Watch a video on it to get better spacing with parry

[dull nacelle]

Game feels really good lately, is it just me? Feels like the right direction

[vapid tusk]

I was in a lvl 2 goblin caves gear score range 25-124 and a guy had a score of 409 with a yellow weapon, how? another one had a score of 165

[warped fiber]

What game you playing ?

[dull nacelle]

The only thing I think is kind of weird recently is the mob pulling. It feels like mobs get agitated from a very long range and quickly, kind of irritating having someone pull all mobs in one room and then they just rotate for you.

[dull nacelle]

I'm serious though, lots of pvp, it's really fun

[tiny quest]

Does HR1 and HR2 have the same quality of loot or is HR2 better?

[vestal silo]

same

[spark barn]

so what does the hr season mean is is ap farming time or nah?

[sonic epoch]

REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PLAYERS IN CRYPTS/INFERNO. WE HAVE ARENA, NO NEED TO MAKE THE DUNGEON A BR

[rain fiber]

i was able to third party myself 😭 funniest shit ever

[glossy thorn]

how do I leave a dungon ?

[spark barn]

alt f4

[warped fiber]

It’s fun yeah but after you kill like 6 ppl and have no meds it’s kinda a pain to get into another fight.

[winter marlin]

I just had a mika vista hit me through a closed door + wall, ironhamster pls

[dull nacelle]

Never had a problem with that since you can loot their meds no? I'd understand if it's like sub 25 but in HR that's not the case. The extraction is a pain in the ass though, atleast in crypts

[warped fiber]

True, I’ve mainly played under 25 this season since I haven’t been on much. And bossing I’ve noticed a lot more players countering. Maybe I need to grind more for the hr.

[austere geyser]

hi, can we please get bard instruments and sterling weapons back from the gobby? thank you

[jade delta]

cant play any other class other than barb or fighter, cuz of berserker achilles barbs and rogues
in solos at least

[errant niche]

Anyone knows that the instruments will lose or not in arena upon defeat?
Or need Found/Craft too?

[austere geyser]

need to be found too

[errant niche]

Thank you! only sure the arrows and bolts will lose so far

[oak shore]

If you found meds like a surg kit they should stick around also

[errant niche]

hmm..interesting, thanks too!

[faint needle]

do i lose arena gear if a found it on another class and bring it in?

[oak shore]

Yes

[faint needle]

aight thanks

[bitter flare]

HEY rq is it possible to spawn somewhere where theres no extract? I think i just got fucked

[austere geyser]

its not supposed to be possible anymore as of yesterday, but I've seen it once before then.

[dusty matrix]

I’m kinda new, what are the gingerbread cookies used for? They sell for a lot on the market place. Should I list them or keep them?

[faint needle]

u need to collect a 100 i think? for nicolas third quest not sure tho

[austere flame]

so who was it that got banned?>

[oak shore]

Its for the 3rd christmas quest, you need 100 of them, I dont believe they provide an exclusive emote if you complete the quest, so its up to you if you want to sell them or not

[fervent anvil]

Yup 100 for the last quest then its for legendaries on him

[wild mesa]

did they change it back so that not everyone can go through the staircase? only one person again?

[faint needle]

yup just one

[austere flame]

anyone know who it was that got banned>

[wild mesa]

did they literally just do that?

[pseudo spoke]

How long ago was wipe?

[errant niche]

Yes, after Hotfix #75

[dusty matrix]

Oh ok, where can you get them? Is it a random drop from PvE?

[errant niche]

About 1 week ago

[fervent anvil]

Yes. Go read patch notes

[pseudo spoke]

How has player count already dropped according to some people lol

[austere flame]

it has

[pseudo spoke]

Was 30k playing last night

[austere flame]

check wat its at tonight

[oak shore]

I think you can get them from anywhere but they're pretty rare drops so i can't fully verify

[pseudo spoke]

I found 5 last night. Ez 1.7k

[formal belfry]

Whats the reward?

[pseudo spoke]

Iv go to learn troll. Not being able to kill him makes gold farming so tedious

[willow phoenix]

Warlock's Curse of Weakness duration changed from 10s/13s → 12s/15s and now additionally reduces physical damage reduction and magical damage reduction by 15%. Does this reduction work on bosses?

[vestal silo]

u need 200. The reward is a coin bag and 50 affinity. I tihnk the affinity might enable you to buy legendary gear from st nicholas

[coral summit]

Is there like a compiled list of items I should not be vendoring?
Like skulls, bones, primitive bracelets etc.

[vestal silo]

that buff seems a little bit too excessive to me. 15% reduction on both forms of defense is incredibly strong.

[formal belfry]

All of that hard work for a coin bag

[vestal silo]

yeh. its not economical at all. The only reason you would do it, is so that you can buy legendary gear for candy canes. But even that is questionable as the gear is not minted and is probably just as cheap to buy from other players.

[willow phoenix]

Same thing, thats why I'm asking. I imagine bosses face when he is cursed+shrieked

[wise gyro]

why is druid buffed so panther is op and uncounterable for casters again, i just got 2 tapped by a panther in hr, 105hp sorc

[solar zodiac]

random rogue question, i see people refer to "landmine" a lot. That's essentially waiting to pounce on someone right?

[vestal silo]

they didnt buff it? didnt they nerf panther?

[willow phoenix]

Yeah, just like a landmine. Wait in a dark corner

[wise gyro]

they buffed it like 2 patches ago and its cancer ever since, there was 0 reason to buff panther dmg, it does more than a rogue

[solar zodiac]

hell yeah i love the sound of that haha

[vestal silo]

I dont really know if will proc on bosses. You could test in regular mobs or a trainig dummy on goblin cave. If it procs on mobs I assume its also gonna proc on boss.

[pseudo spoke]

I just want a barb with can't die is that too much to ask

[main raven]

Its hard to tell if this works because it's not even in the game right now

[oak shore]

Not a fully compiled, everyone builds up their own list over time, i can put together my list for you if you'd like though

[jovial zenith]

are only cheater playing high roller solos?

[willow phoenix]

wdym

[vestal silo]

what is not in the game?

[main raven]

The -15% PDR/MDR thing. Its literally not in the game lmao.

[pseudo spoke]

Skill issue

[vestal silo]

isnt it? Didnt they implement it with the last patch?

[coral summit]

No no I don't mean to bother, just wanted to know if there's one

[main raven]

The duration of Curse of Weakness was correctly increased, but the PDR/MDR debuff was never added

[late tendon]

should i sell my gold ingots? i have 15

[oak shore]

Never a bother

[vestal silo]

you mean because the description doesnt say its there?

[main raven]

The Desc doesn't say its there, and its already been tested in-game and doesn't work

[pseudo spoke]

Gold farmer fr

[vestal silo]

ahh ok

[final widget]

you guys loose "found by" stuff in arena or wtf ??

[main raven]

yet another warlock L

[spiral drift]

What is the best duo classes?

[regal sundial]

does anyone know if you lose gear in arena now?

[woeful plume]

I hear that you do.

[oak shore]

It has to be self found

[violet notch]

What is BIS kit for sorc?

[late tendon]

i kill both bosses in 5 mins its free gold, yes or no shoul i sell

[austere geyser]

anyone know what iron powder is used for? lol

[next epoch]

do you mean for quests? you can use this site https://darkanddarkertracker.com/questitems

There are some in there that are used in placeholder quests which may or may not be used this wipe (or ever) so you can just ignore those.

[vestal silo]

good question. Maybe iron supplements?

[warm barn]

I couldn't find a use for iron at all

[vestal silo]

weapon smith service

[warm barn]

Oh I just saw silver powder being used by him.

[vestal silo]

lockpicks trap kits traps etc

[spring gale]

craft lockpicks = open golden chest

[warm barn]

You can make ingots, but what good are they?

[brittle vault]

TEAM KILL ALL NAKEDS IN ARENA

[warm barn]

ok

[wind venture]

man EU lfg is dead T_T

[late patrol]

is a report in game enough?

[devout flare]

So... A plant of normal quality fell out of an underground worm. But for all recipes, the Alchemist requires green quality herbs... Will other recipes open, or can this plant artifact be thrown into the trash?

[austere geyser]

no, lockpicks are iron ingots

[wind venture]

I hate that you can leave through blue when fighting -_-

[austere geyser]

Anyone want to trade a spec fabric for an empty bag? Spec fabrics will be worth 10-20K when the recipe drops.

[spring gale]

sowwy i think ingots

[broken drum]

anyone knows how the potion of luck works?

[coral summit]

what do you mean how it works?
Gives you some luck so you get better chance to get better loot

[verbal patio]

‼️ PRO TIP FOR PEPOTE SPAMMING ‼️
Bring back bought arena gear 🗣️🔊
Just do it under stem revievs w that in negative comment and then it will have some impact!

[brittle vault]

stop letting naked people in arena

[vestal silo]

I dont get why you would want bought gear in arena

[devout flare]

Well... It adds Luck? Large potion is either 50, 100, or 150... Only one luck potion can be active at a time. And how luck affects loot is described somewhere... But there are diminishing returns, and I don’t get more than 200...

[broken drum]

like for how long it is or whatever

like is it for a run or like a time limit?

[verbal patio]

Becouse it is easier to test new builds that require good gear like legendary that u can test w driens in safe env. Addidtionaly it woud help pepole to mane gear dif less bc pepole that play a lot and farm legendary bis will just clap pepole that have epic/ crafted copperlight and stuff like that

[devout flare]

It works until you return from the dungeon...No matter how many floors there are.

[broken drum]

ok thanks

[vestal silo]

perhaps they could make a unranked mode where you can bring anything and ranked mode where you can only bring minted gear.

[verbal patio]

that woud be a good solution too but i don't see why it can't be in ranked too as it only helps to close gir dif and make it more skill based as everyone can easier obtain item that they need

‼️ PRO TIP FOR PEPOTE SPAMMING ‼️
Bring back bought arena gear 🗣️🔊
Just do it under stem revievs w that in negative comment and then it will have some impact!

[late tendon]

should i sell my gold ingots?

[surreal tangle]

No, wait for crafting to come they'll be worth x2 more

[sweet fable]

does everything wipe when season starts or when season ends or both?

[late tendon]

alr, when will crafting come?

[surreal tangle]

When the quests come out for it, worth it to hold onto them. Would also suggest stocking up on rubysilver while it's cheap too. Gold will have the most value though because of the rings

[sweet fable]

does everything wipe when season starts or when season ends or both?

[late tendon]

will do thanks, but do you have any idea when the quests will come out? xd

[surreal tangle]

Can't remember if quests are 1 or 2 week intervals. I think gold comes out when you have 75 affinity with armour guy so about 4-6 weeks maybe

[late tendon]

WHAT THATS SO LONGH

4- 6 WEEKS FROM NOW?

[surreal tangle]

Just put the gold on a character you don't play in his stash, when it comes out you'll have a bit more money to use to get bis kits

[onyx flare]

none, wipe is some days after season ends

[late tendon]

okay, how much will rubysilver go up in price

[surreal tangle]

last season it went up about x4 price

[late tendon]

alr, i wanted to make a agil druid btw. is it still good?

[surreal tangle]

Druid just got a nerf so maybe do str druid instead with bear form

[late tendon]

alr

[tawdry torrent]

serious way to much competition on this frost wyvern fr, if u going to do this continuous dungeon crap do something about competition for the bosses frfr. Every single game atleast 3 people contesting, not to mention the players who cant even do the dragon waiting for 3rd phase to jump in and harass you, its ruining the experience in a ridiculous manner.

[tough jewel]

How long does it take to link my blacksmith account to steam? Sent mail 4 days ago, nothing yet

[woeful cedar]

Okay realistically what could they do though

[verbal patio]

‼️ PRO TIP FOR PEPOTE SPAMMING ‼️
Bring back bought arena gear 🗣️🔊
Just do it under stem revievs w that in negative comment and then it will have some impact!

[rapid vapor]

there's no visual cue where the banshee will teleport to is there

[vestal silo]

just sound I think. Generally i think its recommended to stay in the middle to have as much time to react as possible

[tawdry torrent]

make it so continous dungeons are only for first level for 1 and whoever goes down thats all there is

[tawdry torrent]

secondly expand the player pool so i dont have the same 10 people in my lobbies non stop

[abstract storm]

It's damn near impossible to find enough blue portals in trios with fog of war after the new change to staircases

[shadow bramble]

I support this message. Crypts are such a gamble to go down to now, I don't like it at all.

[vestal silo]

just expand the player pool? Now that's easy right?

[warm halo]

There r so many mobs where ur hits just pass through them and the only thing that can damage r arrows or throwables???

wtf is happening???

[copper mesa]

Continuous dungeon + limited extracts is a terrible idea. Should've left it as is until they could come up with an actual solution. Idk why they handle so many situations with a terrible fix rather than taking a bit more time to think of a solution that actually makes sense. They end up making way more work for themselves and lose faith from the playerbase. Like no one wins from these decisions lol

[vestal silo]

This is a really fair critisism. They often rush to half thought out fixes that can create more problems. Sure it might have been too easy to extract, but making a too large deficit of extracts is even worse. People prefer to have their opponents escape from them over being unlucky and not finding any portals because they have all been taken. Both are suboptimal, but one is clearly worse.

[tawdry torrent]

theres 13k dungeons ?? im locked in with legit the same 10 people non stop now make that make sense

correction 19.7k dungeons thats a ridiculous amount of players for me to keep seeing the same guys over and over

[olive cave]

well it also proably depends on the sever your on

[vestal silo]

there isnt 13k ppl queing with you. You have gear score brackets, regions and maps. This is the reason they have continous dungeons. To alleviate all the ques.

[verbal patio]

‼️ PRO TIP FOR PEPOTE SPAMMING ‼️
Bring back bought arena gear 🗣️🔊
Just do it under stem revievs w that in negative comment and then it will have some impact!

[tawdry torrent]

theres much more than 19k players in there - 19k active dungeons, solo's duos and trios included makes for an insane pool of players, now make it make sense i keep seeing the same 10

[vestal silo]

its not 19k dungeons. It's 19k ppl in a dungeon

[tawdry torrent]

yikes thats much worse

[odd wolf]

yo can u still get troll pelt from normal

[vestal silo]

it would be worse if it was 19k dungeons. Then you would expect more ppl than 19k ppl

map rotation, continous dungeons are both methods to try to alleviate the problem of player pool in any given que.

[tawdry torrent]

yeah its much worse than what i thought was going on, 19k isnt very many players. so before wipe when there was only 3k thats insane LOOOOOL almost a dead game ... i wonder why, such a great concept but what these devs be doing isnt good. I wouldnt be playing this game at all if i found any other game fun at this current moment

[vestal silo]

On the other side there is gear score brackets and maps that split up the ques. These are to accomodate gear diff and map variation

[nova mauve]

@tawdry torrent the devs spend 90% of a season flip flopping patches or numbers, don't be surprised the count has dropped.

[tawdry torrent]

yeahhh it makes sense i am playing in the 225+ high roller so naturally less players will be there. Still though can i get less competition for these bosses yo its insane. If they stopped continous dungeons in second and third level things would be much better in my opinion, but i guess the markets could get flooded with loot

[vestal silo]

I can sympathise with your frustration, but just sitting in chat and complaining doesn't really solve anything. If you have any ideas for improvements those would be welcomed by everyone. Everyone in this chat to some extend do enjoy the game and want to see it become the best possible verison

[tawdry torrent]

yeahhh i started playing hotfix 67 so i was just in time for 69 LOOOL also my brothers been playing from the start and quit last wipe so they already told me whatsup with these people

[spice rain]

THIS FUCKING BUG NEED TO FIX

[vestal silo]

If continous dungeon was only for the first floor, you would see dead layers on the lower floors. Thats not what I want and I think thats not what many people want. I do agree that contious dungeons is a problematic iteration of the game.

[tawdry torrent]

bro are you reading what im saying i gave multiple solution bro's yapping over here LOOOOL

[nova mauve]

19k players for a new class, with a fresh wipe is not as much as it should be compared to past patches.

[vestal silo]

I saw you come up with one solution and that is one I disagree with

[tawdry torrent]

last wipe lower levels were dead and things were fine, i literally never ran into a single player in hell even 1 time the entirety of the time i played, not that i went down often but still. Scroll up there was atleast 2 solutions, and i have more but not sure how they would work like one being whoever starts the boss gets to solo it until they either die or complete it. Or theres a time limit for people to contest it after which it gets sealed

[subtle heart]

jeez wizard sucks in solo/duo lmao

[tawdry torrent]

and before anyone says anything please do try and go do the HR wyvern and you will see what im talking about

[nova mauve]

Wizard sucks unless geared period

[vestal silo]

whoever starts the boss gets to solo it until they either die or complete it. Or theres a time limit for people to contest it after which it gets sealed" I do like this idea. I dont want empty layers. I want a mix of pvp and pve. I do agree that people contesting the boss is problematic and I like your suggested solution. It makes doing bosses a commitment.

[rapid vapor]

the phase transitions of banshee desperately need a nerf. it doesnt matter if you can kill her 30% faster when her final transition will just insta kill you for not waiting for ghost rng

[tawdry torrent]

more time im just frustrated if im keeping it g, i spend too much time playing this game LOOOOL just tryna vent some problems and throw out some solutions hoping someones taking note. My arguements may be invalid but its how im feeling you get me

[subtle heart]

such a shame, back to warlock/sorcerer.

[nova mauve]

@subtle heart it's just bonk/sitting simulator unless you gear up to run focus or ten spell. But you will need campfires for that.

[subtle heart]

bonk?

[nova mauve]

Melee wizard basically

[vestal silo]

i tihnk they should just introduce mana or cds for spells in general

[subtle heart]

outdated, garbage class no one should be playing, got it.

[nova mauve]

Wizard in general would benefit in having an actual kit that gives them kiting advantages, if they had better spell management systems and just took a damage nerf to balance it out.

[ruby palm]

Does anyone else experience lots of rubber banding and delayed interactions in dark and darker specifically and no other game? Usually when I get bad ping in other games it is universal to every game I play but only in dark and darker do I experience bad ping

[nova mauve]

@ruby palm I was last night

[shadow shard]

Can't several people from the same team leave via the stairs anymore?

[vestal silo]

no extracts got nerfed

[subtle heart]

exactly. No one wants to constantly sit and be bored like a fool

[nova mauve]

@subtle heart I mean wizard geared up can hit very hard from ranged, but besides that it's an annoying class.

[subtle heart]

obselete class no one should play

[nova mauve]

I always ran into the issue in gear, of winning a fight to just get jumped by someone else with no time to recover my spells.

[atomic lotus]

guys how often is wipe

[nova mauve]

Sorc feels so much better to play because you never have to stop and sit down for spells. At the same time though I feel sorc is a bit clunky.

[subtle heart]

i guess meditation u have to run to not be sitting all day?

[nova mauve]

@subtle heart if you want to play as a "caster" wizard and use spells on both pve and PVP yea

[subtle heart]

what about pvp wizard

[nova mauve]

I generally run magic power and movement speed on gear and then try to put some into knowledge

I've most of the time been able to run away if I get low on spells to space someone, meditate, then engage again.

@subtle heart intense focus like every other wizard player lol, for PVP.

[rapid vapor]

~3 months

[timber brook]

Holdup. when did they increase the time till the next "season" starts. aka we can start farming AP

[subtle heart]

whats intense focus?

i cant get over how bad wizard and unplayable wizard is in solo lmao

[nova mauve]

@subtle heart it's a skill that reduces cast time to .1 seconds for a spell

[subtle heart]

i figured thats what the sweaties would use

[past ember]

How's the game feeling since the patch yesterday?

[nova mauve]

So you can explosion into fireball very quickly

[subtle heart]

yeah just insane burst. Which is what fire mage did in wow 3v3

[vale schooner]

Question, are bank tabs reset after every wipe? Specifically, do I have to rebuy each tab?

[past ember]

Yeah

[nova mauve]

Wizard boring as shit, but it's my favorite class so I play on and off

[vale schooner]

Oof- that really sucks. Do people rush-buy all of their stash tabs?

[past ember]

Does the game feel better or worse since the recent wipe?

[pseudo whale]

just died, queued up, spawned in the same location, same lobby and found my dead body

[nova mauve]

@past ember to me worse

[atomic condor]

not really, it's smarter to invest the gold instead early on, on things like gold ore and troll pelts while they are cheap at teh start of wipe

[spark barn]

nerf ranger

[past ember]

How?

[vestal silo]

you would be better of investing that gold in items that increase in price as the wipe progresses. Buy cheap stashes on all characters first and use those as storage

[subtle heart]

y

[vale schooner]

Gotcha- thank you fam

[spark barn]

there stupid

[subtle heart]

cleric nerf really is an insult, so worse

[nova mauve]

@past ember the feel of dungeons atm, random rubber banding, they still haven't fixed certain issues, class balancing is still odd.

[subtle heart]

they kinda are yeah, but barb pisses me off way more.

[past ember]

We still having fun tho?

[nova mauve]

I put the game down again after trying the patch for a couple days, so a no from me.

[past ember]

welp I guess I'm bout to find out for myself :))

[copper mesa]

I stopped running HR GC since the last change. Not even close to worth it imo

[wild orbit]

How do yall think monk is gonna work?

[nova mauve]

@wild orbit like dogwater

[wild orbit]

Huh why?

[nova mauve]

Because I have no faith lol

[vestal silo]

does anyone here know the proper timing for when have to start moving away if you get hit by troll cave scream debuff? Some guide said when the debuff indicator was at a certain point in its span and another guide said to look at the animation on the scream. Anyone has a definitive answer here?

[wild orbit]

@nova mauve I have faith, it'll be fun

[nova mauve]

I think my issue is this game isn't in depth enough for me with more action combat. So I doubt this game will ever be for me. I just enjoyed fucking around with loadouts and playing with my friend.

The looting is chill as well

[plush quarry]

10 spell druid when

[subtle heart]

what do you mean not in depth enough, as opposed to what

[nova mauve]

Opposed to any fighting game or combat game, it's very basic and clunky.

[vestal silo]

i would like some more options aswell in terms of melee combat. But its a slippery slope. Introduce a coupple more melee mechanics and next thing you know you are basically playing mordhau extraction game

[nova mauve]

@vestal silo yea like I said I doubt this game will ever really be for me, I don't see how they can really do anything about it.

[subtle heart]

again, how? And as opposed to what games?

[vestal silo]

they could add directional attacks and more weapons with parry mechanics. Right now its about understanding weapon combo patterns and moving your torso around to manipulate the swing.

[subtle heart]

its more in depth than a game like overwatch though, at least mechanically so thats why im confused

[nova mauve]

What lol

[subtle heart]

have you played wow before

you also have to aim your spells which is much harder than using a gun. I just think your view on the game's depth is subjective is all. I get that the movement and aspects are basic, but the spells and number of options you have to outplay people is actually quite insane.

I play games like Tarkov too, so its not like I don't play other "in-depth" games

[vestal silo]

if you are talking to me you dont need to sell me the game. I already am in love with it for all its flaws and problems.

[nova mauve]

They would need to fundamentally change combat, movement speed and ranged damage/spell damage to make me enjoy the game, and I just don't see that happening anytime soon. Those are major changes.

[subtle heart]

i just dont get it tho, its really not that bad at all lol

[vestal silo]

you are speaking in very general terms. Could you give a specific example of what you would like to see?

[olive crane]

do i get legendary status if i bought the game before it went to steam?

[pliant rapids]

can you get ap points in highroller yet

[nova mauve]

There is no frame advantage, no true parry punishes besides longsword, no feints or chambering, it's all very basic spacing and stacking movement speed. You can keep swinging after missing attacks etc... no mix ups. Ranged damage and spell damage should be lowered across the board to make way for giving kiting advantages to the relative classes, along with updating wizards clunky spell system. How are they supposed to do that in this game? I just don't see it lol.

There isnt even perfect blocking to potentially stagger an opponent, a barb will just keep smashing your face in while you hit them with their 99 damage and 200hp.

[vestal silo]

this is one I would really like to see aswell. There needs to be some window to trade back against someone when you make a succesful block.

[tidal cypress]

do we lose arena gear atm or?

[vestal silo]

yes if its not found by or crafter by your character, it will be lost upon losing an arena match. Some have claimed today to be losing even found and crafted gear, but there has been no official statement about this from IM, so it's just a claim. It potentially could be an actual bug or just people mistaking what items they truly have found/crafted status on.

[nova mauve]

So basically this games entire system comes down to a gear check and spacing with some basic skill reads from each player that's about it. Then you tack on this games horrible de syncing and collision and it feels awful.

[pliant rapids]

can you get a highroller rank yet