game-discussion

[coarse dock]

exactly, i think brutal is completely overestimating how easy it is to win an actual 1v3

[muted crow]

9 times out of 10 this is the case. every so often low ttk shows its face and 3 competent players wipe for stupid ass reasons like mobs, fireball being the size of a small planet, bad spawn, etc.

[cosmic swan]

Well it's not against player of your skill level

[coarse dock]

like me, i probably average 4-8 kd in norms depending on gamemode and class, 3 in hr, I maybe myself won a 1v3 less than 5 times AT MOST in arena

and i guarantee it was cause they were low or fumbled super fucking badly, not cause of class balance

[muted crow]

yeah i just dont think ttk affects this at all xD
low ttk just means that you will win the same 1v3 in less time than you would have with high ttk

[coarse dock]

imma be honest, 15 hp really only matters on some classes. My wiz kit i built like 130 hp, having an extra 15 maybe means I survive one more hit, same with my ranger which has 150 rn, +15 I would maybe survive one more hit

and plus they increased pdr for everyone (since the gains are higher initially and stagnates the more you build) meaning that while not as tanky as +15 hp, people are still relatively tanky

[muted crow]

1v2 1v3, even numbers doesnt really matter. what matters is that whatever fight it is you're trying to win that it be fun. win or loss, the point is to have fun. and it's is not fun right now, it is agrevating. i feel equally annoyed when i win as i do when i lose.

[muted crow]

this would be true if it were not for the existence of true damage.

[coarse dock]

true is only adding like at most (in arena tier gear) i think like 10 right?

[muted crow]

10 true is a lot when the most you can really build is 200 hp.

[coarse dock]

cause afaik it doesn't scale off of headshots, and physical players have less true than magic (since afaik you cannot get true phys on a helmet)

[muted crow]

that is 5% healthpool value guaranteed damage on top of whatever amount of damage you do, whether its magic, whether it has armor penn, etc

[coarse dock]

without true pdr stacking would be op asf, i used to hate true but with how tanky fighter can be i think the existence of true is fine

[muted crow]

fighter with glee benefits from both true phys and mag equally.

[muted crow]

they could resolve this by making armor pennetration deduct from pdr instead of armor rating.

[tiny kernel]

Does anyone knoww how does one get the escpae multiplier to increase for high roller?

[coarse dock]

me when the new and improved 40 percent armor pen windlass ignores all my armor and i get nuked for 140

[muted crow]

lmfao ez fix, delete windlass from the game. it's stupid.

[coarse dock]

imma be honest, as a windlass abuser (cause ranger is really strong i do not care what people say) i would not like if it was removed lmao

[muted crow]

yeah but like... fixing any one thing right now won't fix the over all status quod, so it's still gonna feel like shit. i mean they nerfed traps and the game doesnt really feel any better to play xD

[coarse dock]

trap nerf was a pure w, shouldve been like that from the start

[muted crow]

traps should have never been in the game. much like no render instant on demand rogue invis.

[coarse dock]

if they nerfed druid 3s root, and cleric only has a 0.75s root, why was ranger EVER allowed to have a like 18 second root

imo they should just bring back how invis functioned in multiclass update, you could see them a tiny bit if you pay close enough attention

[muted crow]

yeah and remove the second hide and we're workable. but then we still have the issue of how a toothpick is the best weapon in the game and can box out a freaking halberd.

it just never ends because they never even started balancing this game, and now there's 50 messes piled on top of each other. an iceburg of balance issues. it'll never get fixed.

and they have to gaul to release sorc and change to continuous dungeon day one of next wipe. xD

[coarse dock]

i remember when halberd was really strong (nuking for 200+ damage and having no sourspot) i do not think giving it back the like 71 base damage on a purple would be fun for squishies and barb

then again i dunno, i also am in the same boat where i should not balance shit (like most people in their beloved game)

[muted crow]

that's a ttk issue. like i said, it never ends because they never even started. honestly it's preferable to the best weapon in the game being a stupid freaking toothpick.

[coarse dock]

true, dagger/rapier being strong is boring asf

[muted crow]

i just can't believe i didnt see the garbage for what it was. i just had hopes for the game to be good, played 4k hours waiting for it to happen and it never did because it can't

[coarse dock]

i think the game is in a pretty shit spot tbh, but that's cause it was always in a shit spot since the mechanics of the game make it that way, just back then everyone was shit and werent able to abuse the unfun parts

[muted crow]

bingo.

[coarse dock]

having +5 add damage on every clothing piece, amulet, and weapon with weapons able to roll +stats and add movespeed on everything, the game wouldve died out even quicker

[muted crow]

it absolutely would have. the sad thing is, this game's bones would make a phenomenal fparpg

[kindred mantle]

hmmm let me get this right... it's better to just hide in a corner go down, hide in a corner go down, and then clear your hell room and exit than it is to risk getting caught and PVPing if you're really bad it to grind AP?

[olive socket]

All projectiles should have damage HALVED and add more slow. this is ridic

[muted crow]

this is the strat regardless of skill level. please don't measure your skill as a gamer off your results in this game, it'll mislead you to think you're bad just for trying to have fun.

[left matrix]

Quick question, If i lose a game in HR do i ONLY lose the entree fee ap? or do i lose more

[cosmic swan]

Well if PvP = death for you then yes. Hide and go down you'll still get a decent amount of AP

[olive socket]

all your gear if someone steals it. OR if you fall into the void

[left matrix]

like if the demigod cost is 125, would i only lose 125 if i die? or would it be like 200

idc about money im a gorillionaire. im 21211 AP rn, so i just got demigod. BUT, im sure that most people stop at 21000, and i want top 2000 players

[cosmic swan]

You lose the entry fee only

[muted crow]

if your aim is simply to acquire ap, and you dont have giga kits to throw at it, you should avoid pvp as much as possible.

[strong mortar]

does anyone know how to fix this issue: i can't see my friend in dark and darker friend list and thought we were ghosting each other lol

[left matrix]

so if i have 21,211, and i die, do i only lose 125? 125 is the demi entry fee. so ill still have OVER 21000 right?

[kindred mantle]

yeah I'm just trying to get PAthfinder for the skin

I'm pretty awful at PVP, everytime I engage in PVP that's not <25's I lose

[cosmic swan]

Yeah that's what I do. But if you want to optimize your AP gain you'll almost always fall on other player

[muted crow]

should take you about 5 hours of normal hr gameplay

[muted crow]

yeah you just have to have gear and a build you're comfy pvping on to do that.

[cosmic swan]

Try #discord-help

[strong mortar]

ah okay thank u, i already did #report-a-bug but i never thought about #discord-help since i thought it's only for discord related problems

[kindred mantle]

last game I just hid went down hid went down and cleared my room and exited and I ended up with like 600AP

[umbral path]

dm me in ya a ranger with >100 hrs

[cosmic swan]

Yeah but even in 124-225 people are min maxing as fuck with crafted gear etc that's so sad. It'll be awesome if the 124-225 bracket was self found gear only, maybe with higher entry fee/a penalty so it's not an easy way to farm AP

[kindred mantle]

the previous 3 games before that I ended up dying to PVP :/

[left matrix]

So if i have 21,126 AP, and the demi entrance fee is 125 only, if i die and lose do I only lose 125?

[muted crow]

i honestly question having a reward system based on success on what is essentially a diceroll. so the entire premise makes no sense to me, ssf or otherwise.

[olive socket]

All projectiles should have damage HALVED and add more slow. this is ridic

[tawdry grotto]

need a really good player for hr farming ap dm me

[cosmic swan]

Yeah it's decent but yoj can make way more. My last game wasn't a perfect optimization at all, I took too much time to kill mini boss because I cheesed them, didn't take the perfect route, didn't opened every portal but I still made 1250 AP

[muted crow]

i think ryan6daysaweek and sobadstrange both put out good ap guides

[cosmic swan]

Yeah but be careful Ryan did a mistake in is video, treasure are still more worth than gear. Blue treasure are better than Purple gear. Purple treasure are better than Legendary gear

So the main focus is Mini boss, Lion's head/golden chest and opening portal/using shrine (bringing lockpick is a really good idea)

[night folio]

Pretty sure that gear is higher right?
Treasure was last season it was redone this season

[left torrent]

Unless the wiki is outdated treasure is equal to one higher in gear
eg a green water pot is the same ap as a blue sallet

[umbral path]

giving away a ranger kit to any ranger w less than 100 hrs

[night folio]

Hmm that's how it was last wipe. They changed values. Maybe they changed back again?

[left torrent]

I think there was mention of a change back, I don't know if it went all the way or not but there was something about people being upset by lackluster AP
I think partially because there are only so many minibosses and killing regular enemies gave no AP so you could become simply stuck AFAIK

[left torrent]

As of the wiki "Treasure
As of Patch:6.6#Hotfix 66 there is no longer a Treasure Adventure Points category, this section only exists for historical purposes. Treasure AP is still granted in the Item Achieve category. The example below applied before Hotfix 66.

The quantity displayed in the end of game report is only counting the number of stacks of the item present, although the actual AP granted is correctly per-item, not per-stack. For example, with a stack of 2 Golden Skull Tokens and a stack of 1, the quantity displayed will only be 2, but the AP granted will be 3 x 21 = 63 AP."

TLDR they removed it then swapped it into item acheive would be my guess

[coral veldt]

are sub 25 lobbys still a thing?

[bitter narwhal]

really quite hate teammates who attack you while you try to deal with mobs

[paper forum]

As far as I'm aware, yes

[subtle heart]

I have a great tip for you, get out of the way. Sounds dumb but I feel like if you respect who has the aggro it is very easy.

[bitter narwhal]

no like, they quite literally go after me not the mobs, was retsing and the guy whacked me across the face with a maul

[subtle heart]

don't team up with them then xD

[narrow grove]

Bro when is the legendary status coming to epic games. I NEED IT

[bitter narwhal]

I mean yeah I didn't, I killed him in the end, survival of the fittest after all

[subtle heart]

Why are you killing your teammates ?!?!

[bitter narwhal]

im not letting him murder me, had some nice purples on me at the time

[subtle heart]

what ? you are new player this is confusing

[bitter narwhal]

teammate intentionally trying to kill me, I have some loot I dont want to give up, im not gonna let him kill me bruh

[subtle heart]

you intentionally killed them bruh do you read what you write ?!?!

[bitter narwhal]

yes im intentionally trying to kill him, he's trying to kill me, dude what exactly is so hard to understand there

[subtle heart]

your whole story is hard to understand xD you blame people for trying to kill you but you kill them too

[bitter narwhal]

so what, I just let my teammate kill me ?

[subtle heart]

why are you teaming with people trying to kill you ?!?!

[bitter narwhal]

because I got put in a team with them ?? trios ??

[subtle heart]

ok this is very confusing i feel you are not telling the truth

[bitter narwhal]

???

[subtle heart]

you play trio and you kill team members with direct intent, you are griefing

[bitter narwhal]

goodness trying to explain this to you is giving me a migraine

[subtle heart]

do not kill your teammates it is not hard

[devout spire]

what is the red rank badge i see on some people? I dont see any red ranks in this seasons AP ranks

[rigid vault]

are you like ok in the head buddy? do we need a mod

[coral veldt]

thx

[subtle heart]

they need to simply not kill their teammates xD

[rigid vault]

frXD

[subtle heart]

my man got antsy over a new player (probably) swinging a maul during PvE at them. like get over it, it can happen.

[signal nymph]

My game has crashed three times in the last 30 minutes and all i am doing is going through my stash.. anyone else having similar problems or have any advice? ~ have an nvidia/gpu update think that may be a start

[undone belfry]

@glad thunder look at the people in trade trading uniques, blatant cheaters.... grow a set and do something about it. if you don't address it it will ruin your vision.

[hot walrus]

does anyone know what time (like 9pm, 8am, 12pm) does wipe usually happen?

[ivory wind]

i think its usually around 9am Korea time

[ornate spear]

where else are they supposed to trade uniques

[quick ermine]

they can't get one for them so they must blame them as cheaters, classic bs. pinging the lead dev is such a troll move.

[arctic birch]

does anyone know if the test version will be getting an update soon?

[ornate spear]

i’m just confused as to what’s so weird about trading uniques in the trade chat as you can’t list relics in the actual market

[olive socket]

NERF PROJECTILE DAMAGE BY HALF THIS IS GETTING OLD

[quick ermine]

anyone calling for random nerfs is getting old lmao

[undone belfry]

jesus christ you cant actually talk about real issues in chat bc they have blocked everything

S-ome D-umb F-uck

[compact kiln]

Was playing rogue and played like a rat with invis and got my first set of BIS gear with grimsmile rings from a ranger today. Doesnt mean much now that the season is about over tho.

[quick ermine]

you could, just be polite and convey your message in a respectful manner

[ocean eagle]

if im not mistaken, when i matchmake with random players does that mean ALL other players in my game will also be matchmade with random players?
this includes a duo matchmaking with a random 3 player.
When i matchmake with random players, i will not run into a 3 stack that queued together. correct?

[devout spire]

@zinc sparrow can we get demi god rank colors changed. 😄 Looks like a wanderer apprentice rank

[fast wave]

I don't think any of that happens. It just fills where ever, there isn't like a "premade" only lobby

[peak mango]

How much affinity do you need to craft spectral coinbag? (and why is this info not available easily?)

[opal vector]

what has faster action speed, an orb or a spelbook?

[thorny tangle]

are they planning on adding the shield slam to longsword block? that would be a very interesting playstyle

[split ravine]

spellbook

[west crane]

Just parry. lmao

[valid wren]

How long do u think game is going to be updating for when wipe happens

[thorny tangle]

could be all day honestly, this last patch took like 15 hours and it wasnt even that big

[undone belfry]

And never be heard.... some things need to be said and talked about. You can't discuss these problems bc half of the keywords are blocked. That's my problem with it.

[quick ermine]

So say them in a respectful manner you donkey and no there isn't a thing that NEEDS to be said, especially if all you want is complain because you can't beat something.

[errant hamlet]

You Can taunt IG with Names/Emote but cant Say truth w/o being a polite shit in discord

[vocal citrus]

Arenas is lowkey killing the actual extraction part of the game

[errant hamlet]

Also you Can grief/soft int teammates without issues since there is no "Bad behavior" report

[south otter]

Nah, ppl just don't have anything left to do this wipe. So they're just playing arena for quick pvp with low risk. Besides, what's the point of winning gear 1 week from wipe?

[surreal stream]

so... when is the druid neft happening? seen many kill entire teams solo, maybe tone down the insta switch ability?

[south otter]

No, don't say this. Druid mains will cry about how weak their flying bear class is

And god forbid they make it so they can't swap 10 forms in <5 seconds (Please nerf instant shapeshift. Or keep it, but add CD to every form). I think a CD to forms would be the way, 'cause then they would have to choose whether to use their CDs for big mobility, dmg or survival

[wintry pumice]

warlock is still obscenely overpowered even conceptually. in solos as a fighter i cant win against a warlock. warlocks healing should not do more healing than second wind, an ability that you can only use once. nerf their movespeed or something at least bc im tired of just being kited around forever by someone with a get out of jail free card (phantomize) that they dont even need to use bc i cant catch up to them. the curses do way too much damage for them being an unlimited hitscan ability. all they have to do is curse once, run away, and repeat. im trying to rank up in solos and half the lobbies are warlocks every time. im switching to warlock. my first game on the character i bullied two fighters by just following them around and cursing them until they died. im not even good with the character and im bullying people with it because its UNBALANCED.

[bronze hornet]

is dungeon recovery possible in high roller ? yes or no

[fast wave]

You don't seem to understand solos isn't supposed to be balanced like what you're saying.

You're going to have not balanced match ups.

[floral axle]

i have a bug dark and darke if i report i got a reward?

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/564808/rework-of-warlocks-healing-mechanic

[cosmic swan]

No

[cosmic swan]

Yes

[floral axle]

NVM

[errant hamlet]

Bow them u win

[floral axle]

dont nerf warlock

[errant hamlet]

Using the wrong tool and complaining smth doesnt Work 😅

[floral axle]

is still the best anymore?

[errant hamlet]

When i put a stick in my wheel i dont complain my bike doesnt moove

[south otter]

Tbf, movement speed is quite dumb atm. I hope they do something about it. And yes, warlocks are quite strong atm

[robust creek]

question,crossbow mastery,quick reload and quick fire do they stack?

[surreal stream]

i've seen them use the chicken to gain altitde, change to rat mid air and go through doors that way, also using the chicken to get up to a place were you cant get them and heal/replenish magic, its too dumb and unbalanced, they can do dmg, run, heal, tank... how is that fair?

[floral axle]

in solo who character the best kill?

[robust creek]

question,crossbow mastery,quick reload and quick fire do they stack?

[wintry pumice]

I was using crossbow, it doesnt matter anyway ive started dumpstering on even rangers now that ive switched to warlock

[fervent anvil]

get off warlock and go bonk wiz. its better

[wintry pumice]

naw i just switched to warlock bc that shit is broken, noone can heal like warlock

[fervent anvil]

dont need healing. only bonking

[wintry pumice]

i love you

[arctic citrus]

if i have bought the game from the site can i play on steam without buying the game?

[fervent anvil]

use blacksmith. if you want to play a game on steam. you buy it on steam

[arctic citrus]

allright thanks for the answer!

[round crown]

quick question, do you still lose gear in arena that you didnt craft or find yourself? or can you build a kit and run it

[gritty iron]

u dont lose anything

[sturdy valve]

How much time left for wipe?

[cosmic swan]

8 day

[hard rock]

Bro why do I always keep dying

[distant tartan]

where is the golden key room?

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/Crypt-01-N One room north of the bottom right room

[gritty iron]

18 dec, also praise the sun

[marble harbor]

you dont lose gear in arena?

[cosmic swan]

not for now

[grave geode]

sit behind a doorway, if you get hit by a curse, pop a pot and bandage and their entire curse gets negated. Hit them with a bow and you do the same dmg as their curse in one hit. They try pushing your doorway/corner to curse you, you sprint and run them down. Warlock is annoying for sure, strong sure, but there is plenty of counterplay

[wintry pumice]

youre right. i was using crossbow which was my first mistake, and i chased instead of running away to a better position. annoying as hell and definitely too strong imo

[chilly mountain]

Hey does it only take one of your characters to do quest for all to receive squire rewards?

[grave geode]

yup, but this season is ending in a week so I wouldn’t bother doing them rn because they will reset. wait till the next season to do your quests, or if you havent already, focus on the cosmetic quests

[chilly mountain]

Yeah i posted what to do before wipe on reddit and people said to either grind cosmetic quests or learn bossing

I'm glad i don't have to do all the quests on every single character too, only so much cobalt a man can mine hah

So besides the items and exp, and rare cosmetics, is there any reason to do quests on every character?

[grave geode]

zero reason, just have one class as your quest donkey

[chilly mountain]

Don't they offer better prices or more services or something?

[grave geode]

if you do the quests on one character, all of your characters will get the benefits

[chilly mountain]

Ah then that's nice

[grave geode]

the literal only benefit of doing quests on multiple characters is the item rewards, but those are hardly worth much

[left torrent]

Bro I've been running solo inferno all night trying to get a lich kill for my quest and I've just ran into warlord 8 rounds in a row I want to fucking neck

[cosmic swan]

The only worth do to on every one are the goblin merchant to get the gold coin bag

[grave geode]

true, forgot about that one, also if you are lucky enough with your gems assuming they dont change the quest, the gold coin chest quest would be worth grinding

[cosmic swan]

Yep maybe the one that give a stash tab too. And anyways there the merchant with the cosmetic quest

[chilly mountain]

gold chest? which merchant is that? And which class would you guys propose as the better quest donkeys?

[cosmic swan]

The one you dislike the most. Balance change a lot in this game, a class that not really good in the beginning of the season can be strong at the end. Pick the one you don't want to play

[grave geode]

treasurer, best classes imo would be ranger, rogue or warlock since you can either avoid pvp or make pve much easier with warlock

[chilly mountain]

aight guys thanks for the advice

[raven laurel]

whats the best gear for ranger in arena

[south otter]

It isn't fair. isn't really fair that they're so hard to hit in panther form either. Maybe I'm just not understanding how to deal with panther form, but it doesn't seem fair at all

[pallid owl]

The counter to panther is if they make one mistake vs anything they are dead.

The gear is really expensive and pdr or strong ranged counters it

[nova jetty]

Rogue needs an overall rework. It's just so blatantaly op and simple

[cosmic swan]

Like this https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons ?

[nova jetty]

upvoted it. purely because i want perma invis out for good

[cosmic swan]

Read it, it's not suggesting to remove Hide but to replace Landmine by something more intressting and less frustrating (The comment too, there is really good idea)

[nova jetty]

another note to whoever may read this stuff.

random queue arena is horrible.
I'm sick, so i was playing for about 45 mins-an hour..

in that time frame, i entered 6 matches where my teammates killed eachother or me at the start of the round. a few matches where people quit in the middle. and 2 matches where they were just there to loot.

when i had teammates play, we were always against a team of 2 rogues.

overall. i feel more sick after playing DaD than i did before i hopped on.

[young moth]

i dont know feel like there should be brackets in high roller trying to get into them while being doorkept by the good people is annoying :/

[nova jetty]

yeah i gave it a read. i like the idea but still dont think perma invis is good for the game. same for how bows currently operate.

just boring mechanics done time and time again with no originality. takes away from the "dungeon crawling" feel that i wanted

[cosmic swan]

I'm sure that the dev agree with you but there is not enough player in Arena for that

[cosmic swan]

Sure, perma invis is dumb. At least the cooldown should start when invis break not right when you use the skill

[untold portal]

Hey! What is the best PvP and PvE Duo class combination or rather what are the best ones?

[nova jetty]

this game has a consistant playerbase of diehard fans. but it seriously falls short on keeping newcomers. thats an issue for longevity.

new players will not enjoy being binked across map by a bhopping ranger or popped by an invis rogue like some fuggin fever dream

i try to get ppl to play this game. they always have the same complaints

[cosmic swan]

Or at least, you should really have to build a fvery specific build to do it (so sacrifice damage or hp or dex etc)

[nova jetty]

You can make most things work. But current meta classes are Ranger, Cleric, and Rogue. You'll be very safe overall with those options

edit: bard is good too.

[cosmic swan]

Yeah, but they talked about that in the last Q&A and it seem that they're aware about the retention of player issues and move speed/range meta and they're willing to do stuff to act about this (Like the socketing system which is a cool idea a think)

[nova jetty]

i wanna keep my hope up. but at my core i think the socketing system is just not gonna solve anything

[cosmic swan]

Alone no, but it's a step in the good way

But imo the best things to do for the sake of the game is this https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[finite yoke]

What're you talking about, Fighter has mad ranged options and doesn't even get a mention? Damn. Not to mention the 300+ movespeed barbs with huge PDR.

Cleric's only use is a healbot, you can argue its OP, but its a 1 trick that can be countered by a single BoC and dogwater elsewhere

[granite cypress]

I like to play as elf twink bard

[blissful stirrup]

Fireball fireball fireball fireball

[nova jetty]

if i were in the shoes of the devlopers, I'd vastly expand the item pool.

Traders Items: Ex: padded tunic with all rarities giving various forms of str (currently how its done)
Craftibles: Ex: golden padded tunic. str + vig. more rarities
in raid only drops: Ex: studded padded tunic. Str + dex with all rarities.

make each item look distinctly different. and remove random rolls.

that way when u fight someone u can visually see and understand the essence of their build at a glance. also allows for easier balance

[granite cypress]

Nobody asked lil bro

[finite yoke]

Craftables*

[nova jetty]

the gentleman above and i were having a conversation

[finite yoke]

What does this have what to do with what I said???? You're crazy

[nova jetty]

i havent replied to u. I was going to but it seems like ur the type to insult others for having different opinions. im not gonna have that convo

[proud bridge]

Running elven bow NAE duo until I die, someone queue it

[finite yoke]

You didn't reply to anyone? Remember to click the reply button that shows up when you mouse over a message next time.

[nova jetty]

ok

[finite yoke]

And actually type a message instead of editing your old ones??? Damn bro.

[cosmic swan]

I'm not sure about thing like that. I feel like it will need a lot of balance and trap them into a loophole of balancing stuff making them lose lots of dev time

[nova jetty]

true. itd definitely take alot of time to refine for sure. idk just spitballing ideas on how they can improve.

[finite yoke]

Congrats on finding the button! Try using that in the future if you've got multiple people talking to you 😁

[nova jetty]

i hope u find happiness somewhere man

[finite yoke]

I've been getting hella bands in Dark and Darker, I'm pretty happy right now

[nova jetty]

nice man happy to hear it!

[cosmic swan]

Imo, we need improvement to the Gameplay loop, new objective/thing to do in the dungeon, more PvE/Adventure things (that will create chokepoint to PvP). I really feel like since the release of EA i'm doing the same thing over and over, with new class, on new map, façing new boss and monster but doing the same thing.
For exemple the socketing system could be added through an in game module name The Forge. You can go there with your gear and gem to do what the Socket merchant service offert but for free or with better roll.
They could also add the Expressman as an NPC that you need to find in the dungeon.
Or add stuff like fishing (This video is a really good showcase of how it could be done https://youtu.be/eusNKWKROfg?si=V6ARHtsYBJmFI-fR)

Most of this came from thing i've seen and commented on this suggestion https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[finite yoke]

Imagine the 5 gorgillion people that will camp these modules.

[cosmic swan]

Not if the map is randomized and if there is enough different objective by map. But yes it's kinda the point too

[nova jetty]

Dang I like that approach a lot. Starts to flush out the game more. They've already found their own niche, this could help them develop more of their own identity as well.

[cosmic swan]

Exactly

[finite yoke]

Okay I find the random fancy module and then camp in it until another player shows up, then stab him while they're in the menu. Simple.

[cosmic swan]

Sure you can do that. But there is several other place like that and you need to find a module to exit too. It's a risk too take if you want to use this module

[finite yoke]

Okay then finding the module doesn't matter and it adds un-needed bloat to the map.

[cosmic swan]

bloat?

[finite yoke]

Yes, if there are multiple forges or expressmen or whatever, it adds bloat

[nova jetty]

Since you're very critical of everyone else's ideas. What are your thoughts on improving the gameplay?

[finite yoke]

Idk make it so people can't just 1 shot you for a start???? Okay I have to go to work now bye shawties

[cosmic swan]

No I didn't meant multiple time the same module but different objective. Like 1 forge, 1 expressman, 1 mining spot, 1 fishing spot. So you can choose to camp one but nothing assure you that someone will come to this one

[nova jetty]

Thank you for being negative.

[nova jetty]

I like the dynamics of this idea alot. Especially if they make it so each module has the potential to spawn at least one of these objectives. More people would explore rather than push spawns.

[cosmic swan]

Yep, and people who don't want to fight and loot safely can stay away from those module while people willing to take the risk or who want PvP know where to go and don't rush spawn or hunt people through the map

[nova jetty]

Do you think the idea would work with persistent dungeons? or whatever the new dungeon idea is called

[cosmic swan]

Yes probably, but randomized dungeon will definitely be better for that. (without the continuous part)

[exotic acorn]

So im just logging into the cross platform account deactivation screen, I have a couple of characters already with a few seasonal rewards attached to one epic, im wondering if i should continue using epic or lose my account progress to stick with Blacksmith? I feel like epic and steam may put up paywalls that blacksmith wont

[cosmic swan]

No don't worry about paywall that won't happen. You should try to ask by opening a ticket to get a good answer #discord-help

[limber garden]

As cringe as that guy is I do agree that one shotting needs to be removed unless they massively gear diff you. Like call me crazy but I actually enjoyed drawn out fights that sometimes ran into other teams forcing people to reposition and rethink. Like sure if you get. 3v1 jump on a guy they should die but I don’t think a fighter should be able to sprint w key every class and one shot them or a barb. Maybe one shot a wizard but sometimes I play bard and have like 45 pdr over 140 hp and die to 2 hits

But also I haven’t played in a bit so stuff might have changed I’m just waiting for wipes and some updates.

[cosmic swan]

No I think that most people feel the same than you. TTK hould definitely be longer but SDF said otherwise...

[limber garden]

Oh also I’m not saying gooshi was cringe I was referring to the person gooshi was talking to. Reading back what I typed made it look like that. Sorry if it looked like that ;-;

[bold mist]

has the season ended yet?

[ionic imp]

When is next wipe please? i plan on playing the game again when its next wipe

[quick ermine]

They are discussing the game, let them and get yourself another hobby.

[finite prism]

We need clubs and staffs to be either buffed or have a clear niche or niches.

[rare urchin]

hey does anyone know the best way to avoid empty lobbies? i keep getting them and its sooooo boring

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[eager comet]

why are servers down

[cosmic swan]

They're not, except if they got downed in the last 2 min

[eager comet]

keeps saying it is when i open it which only happens when therye down which has been the last 2 mins

[cosmic swan]

let me start my game

[cosmic swan]

It's working for me, maybe try to restart steam or your computer

[eager comet]

just worked for me as well. no idea what that was about I did nothing to fix or change it

[cosmic swan]

Nice

[bleak sparrow]

any thoughts about demigod reward? what type of art is that and how it is gonna be used for

[cosmic swan]

No one really know. Dev wanted to keep the mystery and I think they said it was a new type of cosmetic coming with the wipe

[subtle heart]

is summon hydra even good

[mental latch]

Game is cooked, uninstall and play POE2 boys

[scarlet agate]

https://tenor.com/view/why-dont-we-have-both-both-celebrate-happy-gif-4997058

[pseudo hollow]

um, sorry if this is dumb, but aren't maps only available for 3 minutes? i've been in trio queue for 7 minutes now and i'm confused

isn't it supposed to just kick me out of matchmaking if it can't find people for me?

[loud moat]

The melee dungeon crawler I once loved has been killed and replaced by people who think there is no melee skill expression, who sit scross maps and spam ranged dmg vs people with no counterplay. RIP what this game coulda been

[zealous galleon]

When does season end?

[cosmic swan]

In a couple of hours

[merry wren]

Just watched a 3 team surround the cyclops and continuously stab him to death. not dodging and tanking all of the ground slams with zero damage. nearly 1000 gear score. High roller is scary

[cosmic swan]

Yeah there's a few boss like Cyclops and Ghost that can get fucking stomped in trio

[merry wren]

I'm still amazed that if you just do enough dps it nullfies his ground slam damage

[cosmic swan]

Yep, for Ghost king you can skip like 2-3 phase. If you do enough damage it'll do the Scream+shield that he does every 20% Hp loss like 2-3 time in a row

[merry wren]

damn

[cedar sable]

when are unused skills/perks getting buffed?

[cosmic swan]

Based on what they said in the Q&A within next season

[cedar sable]

okay, i hope that is true. im very surprised on how little love stuff gets, it just feels like only meta stuff gets touched.

[oak dagger]

When is next wipe?

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[placid spoke]

Every time I come back that's all there is... the meta

[dusty ridge]

Hey guys, does the wipe reset everything? e.g. Levels, gear, quest progress etc.

[cosmic swan]

Yes

Except blue and red shard, your skin and cosmetics and your character (so you don't lose the name but the level are reset)

[wild finch]

the end of the season means the great reset?

[noble wigeon]

Is anyone else getting stuck in the same play list in Arena? I have been playing with a friend in duos or solo for the past few days... We have been playing the same 6 people OVER AND OVER. Is there something wrong with the match making? Bug on our end?

[inland harbor]

bro, even minesweeper has more active players than this, ofc you play with the same 6 people

[daring blade]

change the game name to empty emptier

[cosmic swan]

No they're "keeping the mystery"

[noble wigeon]

I'm showing over 8k players on right now... So I don't think it is that.

[sullen urchin]

they went from 30 to 10k in one year xdd

not even a year, 3 months acording steamdb

[cosmic swan]

Wait until the wipe to really know that. That's how extraction game work, play come and go by wave

[cosmic swan]

What a surprise, last wipe was 3 month ago

[sullen urchin]

yeh, hopefully the game its playable after wipe, but they need to bring back the 125+ in normals

[cosmic swan]

No they don't, anyway they can't. They have to make money somehow, giving too much thing to free player and they have no interest buying the game

[wild finch]

they shouldnt get back that 125= but at least change gear score like reduce it for every item and rarity

[cosmic swan]

Yeah maybe a bit. Mainly weapon

[drowsy prairie]

Hey fellas is there a way to block with two swords equipped

[sullen urchin]

i would love if they change the way that they monetize the game, being 30 usd for every rigion doesnt help at all, and 125+ just bring them more players, even if it is free people that could buy the game after for hr

[inland harbor]

4k ppl in lobby are not active players. there are 4k ppl activly playing divided by 7 pools (solo duo trio + hr version and arena) now the player for each pool is also divived by the server pools, so in the end there are prob more ppl playing minesweeper atm then active in each player pool

[sullen urchin]

i dont like to force f2p players to force buying the game only for using the gear idk

[cosmic swan]

It's not 30usd for every region anymore. With the steam DLC you can pay your local price now

[graceful storm]

nah I disagree hard with this. the actual game is high roller people need to get in there eventually.

[sullen urchin]

thats good, i didnt know that, but still i feel like sa servers are probably still empty with the change

[spare pagoda]

No the actual game is the game. High roller is the "hardcore" mode that they've been forcing on their player base for the longest time.

[cosmic swan]

F2P player are really a thing anyway. There is no free version or thus game, it's a Trial, a Demo. You don't except the demo of World of Warcraft or FF 14 to let you go to lvl max and play every dungeon of the game

[sullen urchin]

hr should be the max lvl imo with that thinking

or just bring a little bit up the cap for normals, like 160 cap isnt that bad or something like that

[cosmic swan]

Not really, as even in HR there is several GS bracket and you'r not forces to do the hardest thing in HR too. The comparaison don't really work for that

But you did say imo, we just think differently

[sullen urchin]

i dont mind the way that it is right now, but i feel like not having 125+ its just losing new future players

[cosmic swan]

Maybe I think it'll be better to add other thing to catch and retain player. The Squire was a good move, I think the Socket will also be good

[scarlet hollow]

lags ?

[spare pagoda]

Just go into hr, only reason we 125 plus'd in norms is because it was easier to get around mobs for pvp. No one went 125+ in norms for pve.

[cosmic swan]

The new "beginner map" they talked about too

[cosmic swan]

True, the issues is that some people go in 124-225 with min max build to PvP at low cost and that's annoying for people who want to learn/nit tryhard HR

[sullen urchin]

with the new regionalized prices i can see not having the 125+, my perspective its maybe different too bc sa servers in hr most of the times they are empty, but maybe in early wipe it isnt

hopefully the regionalized prices bring more people too

[cosmic swan]

Yeah for the first month or at least 2-3 week of the season player count should double. If they don't fucked up with this Continuous dungeon system (and it smell bad)

[sullen urchin]

agree on that

[spare pagoda]

I'm still wondering how it's going to work

I'm guessing after a week we figure out how to camp spawn on timer and I'm just gonna be waiting with my windlass for whoever is on second spawn rotation.

[cosmic swan]

Terribly based of what we know, it seems like they're doing all the wrond choice

[sullen urchin]

idk how loot its going to work with that system

[spare pagoda]

You spawn in, all the chests are already opened and dead bodies are littered across the ground 😂

[silk fern]

Haven't played in a while, is the new season going to bring a wipe?

[sullen urchin]

yep and boss room its full looted xd

[cosmic swan]

I've talked about it here if you want to know what we know about it and how I feel about it more in detail #game-discussion message

[cosmic swan]

Yes but a few day later, the wipe is December 18th

[silk fern]

cool thanks. I looked online and couldn't find anyone talking about it. I thought so but I wasn't sure.

[sullen urchin]

yeh at least they used the test server for this update no? xd

[spare pagoda]

I'd rather them just fill the lobbies of people going down with people from other games going down on crypts. I wouldn't mind waiting.

[cosmic swan]

No...

[charred saffron]

can you stop getting ap after the season timer ends?

[sullen urchin]

yeh but it was good to know if you have more people in the map or no bc you fighted in the earlier floor idk

[marble venture]

Im Lv33 Rogue but im not enjoying the class anymore, is it worth to just start again with another one?

[spare pagoda]

I miss the crypts pvp tbh D;
It's a dead map almost everytime unless one team somehow makes it down

[wild finch]

bard

[cosmic swan]

Yes, especially that near of a wipe. Try as much as you can

[charred saffron]

if you are used to playing a squishy class and a quick one go with wizard he is hard to learn and is pretty fun to pick up

[sullen urchin]

its hard to play pve in the first lvls with rogue, if you try another class probably its more easier too

[marble venture]

Ive read in reddit its a really bad class, is that true?

[sullen urchin]

yeh it doesnt make sense to have 3 layers in one map, people just fight in the first one, grab the loot from pvp and takes blue

[cosmic swan]

Don't trust people too much about what class is op or trash. Test them

[marble venture]

Okay thank you

[cosmic swan]

Yep I don't get why they insist on that. I feel like no one asked for it too and it seems that it cost them a lot more money on server cost and that why they trying the Continuous dungeon. Just remove the 3 layer map

[sullen urchin]

it was a good concept imo but it doesnt work with the style/genre of the game

[charred saffron]

it was hard to clear the mobs before but after a patch or few ago they made them take more magic dmg, also they increased the amount of magic missles. personally I dont play wizard because its too hard for me haha, you should try it

[cosmic swan]

It could be adapted but it seems that there just forcing it without changing how game work (15 min timer, no mob respawn, no loot respawn)

[chilly crag]

Wouldn’t they just be put into the map people are loading into at the same time

[cosmic swan]

No it seems that people would be joining on going game. With some limit like you can't join a game with 3 min left but still. Joining an on going game is totally useless if mobs and chest don't respawn.

[red kindle]

If only there were to be a podcast explaining the upcoming features in greater detail, maybe one called tavern table.

[celest imp]

is f2p normal still at 125 gear cap?

[red kindle]

Normals I'm general are i believe

[cosmic swan]

Yeah, that could be cool, even if it was like 2 Time per wipe like before a wipe and mid season

[restive meteor]

Why tf is wipe during finals every time. I swear they're sniping my schedule making it impossible to do last minute grinds

[cosmic swan]

But they could start by doing that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players
Using the test server and the suggestions website. Communicating about what they're going to put in test would be really cool

[restive meteor]

A tuesday of all days too

[hidden latch]

Does anyone know how long this transfer process takes?

[west gulch]

when’s wipe?

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[restive meteor]

18th, season ends in like 3hrs

[west gulch]

thanks

[silk fern]

OK another dumb question. Does anything carry over the wipe or no? Last time I played the answer was no, except character names lmao

[cosmic swan]

No except character name

And blue/red shard, skin and cosmetic

[fervent anvil]

everything thats not account bound gets wiped

[restive meteor]

You can keep blue shards

[silk fern]

thanks guys. I'm excited to get back into this game but also it sucks I'm here at the end of a wipe cycle

[cosmic swan]

Use this time to learn boss, a new class, rush the cosmetic quest

[silk fern]

yeah I'm trying out druid. Seems pretty good tbh, but I don't like how spread out his forms are. I feel like only 2 will be really useful at a time in any build

[silk fern]

cosmetic quest?

[cosmic swan]

Yeah that's how he work. You either build Bear or Panther the other form are utility.

[silk fern]

chicken boutta be so clutch is all I'm saying.

[cosmic swan]

Yes there is 3 quest who give cosmetic as reward, a skin, an emote and a campfire skin a think

[silk fern]

I see. Do I have to be highroller? I'm not level 20 yet on anything so I'm not there yet

[cosmic swan]

No, you can do all quest in normal

[silk fern]

Where do I see them? Rather, what are they called in the quest menu? I didn't see anything like that but I didn't look very hard either

[cosmic swan]

If i'm right they're on Tavern master, Goblin merchant and Treasurer

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Quests

[silk fern]

Thanks. Dunno why I didn't look it up myself lmao

[cosmic swan]

[scenic wren]

can we at least not have the modules with multiple minibosses for arena

[clear bramble]

HALBERD IS SO WEAK IT NEEDS A BUFF #justiceforhalberd

[cosmic swan]

I don't know I kinda like the mobs in Arena. They're part of the game and it create more diversity in fight

[cosmic swan]

Probably up the damage of the "Red part" of the hitbox. Put it to 70% instead of 50% it would be a good start

[scenic wren]

Im not against mobs. But the module with the wraith and the champ is kinda aids tbh.

[cosmic swan]

Yeah maybe be make it either Wraith + a mage or Champ + a Mage

[restive meteor]

Clear ranged mobs and jump on that fence next to the table

[scenic wren]

This is for arena. You do that, and you're gonna get your noggin cranked by a ranger with a leg longbow

[cosmic swan]

Anyway even wraith and skelly champ are quick to kill if you know how to do them and two people hit them

[hallow reef]

Do I lose my blue shards when the season ends?

[cosmic swan]

No

[hallow reef]

Okay, thank you, I thought those wiped too and I was scared saving them is pointless

[cunning canopy]

Arena mmr system needs a fix

[cosmic swan]

Yep

[restive meteor]

Yea, gaining +1 for a win is not fun at all

[scenic wren]

Nope, but the bar to earn them should reset. So you can get 6 more next season

[cunning canopy]

And playing It solo seems like impossible to get any thing close to high elo

[cosmic swan]

Yeah but it's not meant to be played solo

[normal basin]

When is the wipe?

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[normal basin]

thanks

[serene holly]

anyone knows that the new season skins does?

[cosmic swan]

Nop, we'll see with the wipe

[serene holly]

O

[chrome haven]

5k concurrent players at the moment might actually be the historical low ?

[cosmic swan]

No it's not and it's 5k on steam not in game

Also we're at night in EU, morning for Asia and middle of the week

And near a wipe, after the end of the season

[scenic wren]

tarkov does the same thing. It drops low toward end of wipe

[cosmic swan]

Yep, it's a common thing for extraction game. Player go and return on wipe by wave

[tranquil hatch]

Is there anything that anyone knows that will be coming out with next wipe?

[chrome haven]

sorry 6k ... I'm still pretty sure that's a historical low

they didn't get players back last season will be interesting to see if they come back this season

[cosmic swan]

7100 player right now (you need to look the in game player count). And no it's not, the lowest i've seen was 3k

[short sparrow]

no it's not bro calm tf down it's 1 week before wipe

[chrome haven]

I honestly dont understand the defensiveness but aight

[cosmic swan]

For a complete list you can watch this https://youtu.be/YAhjPFLfHRI
But , randomized module, socket system, sorcerer, Continuous Dungeon

[short sparrow]

y'all be acting like the game is dead every time the season is about to end

[cosmic swan]

Exactly

[grave geode]

How much time is left for thehr season?

[cosmic swan]

Should be ended by now or like a 1-2 hours left

[grave geode]

rip, was gonna give someone my ap grinding secret sauce

[chrome haven]

It has been dying for a long time

[short sparrow]

who cares

[chrome haven]

last wipe no players came back at the start it lost players month to month.

You cares apparently given the weird defensiveness? lol

[short sparrow]

ur overreacting like crazy there are plenty of players and will be more on the 18th especially if ironmace don't fuck shit up

[cosmic swan]

That's just wrong. we went from a bit less than 20k to more than 30k (And that's Steam number only)

[cosmic swan]

That's the real things to worry about xD That Continuous dungeon thing smell very bad and they didn't put it on the test server before the wipe

[chrome haven]

September gain was -200 players didn't change from the month before.
You can take a smaller sample but month to month as long as we've had stats including afresh wipe they've lost player count

[short sparrow]

yea and if they don't add sorcerer people will be disappointed, or if they make it really op like every new class has been

[cosmic swan]

With the Steam DLC to buy legendary they should really have added test server for Steam player too and let us test Continuous and Sorcerer before the wipe to get feedback and try to correct the obvious mistake they're going to make

[grave geode]

gameplay loop is very barebones. there simply isnt enough of the game out for it to maintain a steady playercount like other big live service games.

[short sparrow]

yes there is, this game keeps people playing for 1000s of hours

[grave geode]

yeah, the very small portion of people that stay devoted/addicted lol. for the more casual players that played during the peak of the game, they simply got bored after a little bit and left

[chrome haven]

I honestly dont think its this my entire friend group enjoyed the core loop of gameplay.
What they hated was the out of no where massive swings in how the game works, gear update, every new class release being a broken mess, things being promised then never delivered (quivers), etc etc.

[cosmic swan]

I have the same feeling. They should focus a season on adding new thing to do in the dungeon, objective to do. Expressman could be a NPC to find in the dungeon. The socket system could add a module called The Forge where you can bring gear and gem to get even better roll than the Merchant or do it for free. Or add fishing or thing like that (https://youtu.be/eusNKWKROfg This would be insane)

Have a loook at this suggestion https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[static rose]

iron mace gonna do anything about how op demon glee fighter is rn

[cosmic swan]

As Thunder said, there is enough to keep a good amount of player who really like the game but a game like this with this concept could be way more popular and easily keep more than 50k player all the time

[short sparrow]

yea but not if sdf keeps cooking patch #69s

[cosmic swan]

Yeah...

[cosmic swan]

Imo the best thing they could do for the game is this https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[chrome haven]

Or refuses to commit to patch 69s.

69 was bad, reverting it because people complained was worse imo, they need to stop the knee jerk massive changes in general but responding to them with partial fixes is just insanely destructive

[short sparrow]

no they needed to revert it

[chrome haven]

I paid for test server and now that I can only play on steam I can't access it anymore, feelsbadman

[cosmic swan]

Read the suggestion I send just above, if they do that they can allow themselve to do drastic change

[cosmic swan]

I'm not sure about that, the idea seems bad at first and felt bad too but I think that was mostly due to the lowering of TTK and the terrible Barb buff that happened at the same time (and obviously the fact that they didn't test it before and it has obvious mistake). But the version of it in 69-2 started to become really interesting and could have worked

[short sparrow]

nah that shit was unplayable

gear was too fucked up i spent like 10k on legendaries and uniques during patch 69 and sold for like 200k after they reverted it

[cosmic swan]

Imo if it had been tested a few week on the test server and released without the TTK and buff it would have been interesting to try it for a while

[agile ibex]

Do utility items provide stat bonuses all the time or only when held?

[cosmic swan]

Only when held if you speak of flute, lyre etc

[chrome haven]

The problem is they've now put themselves in a box that will be really hard to escape.

You can't tell your player base "we have a clear vision and this is a required step towards a larger picture"
Then go "actually we're just going to revert part of this change, but we're still not giving you the 15HP back"

Before the steam release multi-classing lost ALOT of good will from the community.
Their approach to 69 and especially the reversion cost the same thing.

It's while I'll honestly be interested to see if Jan is a player increase or a continuation of the downward spiral they've been on.

I dont think any of their problems are the game itself

[short sparrow]

Always, fill your inventory with them

[agile ibex]

I trust Dilo more.

[short sparrow]

i wouldn't

[sonic epoch]

what quest is mummy emote?

[cosmic swan]

Well I can't agree with the "clear vision". In the message of SDF in Annoucement he really didn't look sure of what he was doing or planning to do and we never got a clear explanation of this long term plan/lager picture. That's why I think the backlash was that big too

[cosmic swan]

[chrome haven]

They repeatedly made that claim ahead of time, then during patch 69 that it was their vision.
Sure they never articulated it for their users but they alledgedly had one

[cosmic swan]

Sure but I wouldn't trust someone repeating "trust me guy I have a plan" without never explaining it properly

[cosmic swan]

And again, read SDF messages again, he really didn't looked sure of what he was going do to

[chrome haven]

I mean you defintiely wont trust them now right ? Because if the community doesn't like it it'll get reverted

[marble fiber]

Is Cleric + Ranger a good duo?

[past lark]

and we’re all wondering why we didn’t get a patch for like 3 weeks after this lol.

imagine having ur game go stale because ur player base will downvote ur game because you wanna change things in an early access game

[short sparrow]

not that good

[cosmic swan]

"Maybe the rarity system will be removed or the random modifiers will be removed during the process of change and development, or maybe they will still be in the game." sentence like that don't inspire trust

[marble fiber]

No-spell cleric tho

[short sparrow]

Ig that would be decent

[cosmic swan]

I sure hope they're going to revert it if they do a bad change that we didn't had the opportunity to test or clearly know about before the release on live server

[chrome haven]

all their comms should be handled by someone with training rather than them doing it directly themselves

[chrome haven]

we never get to test any of them and honestly, most users wont complain they'll just stop playing.
There's a significant problem with catering to those of us that whine incessantly

[tranquil hatch]

Sweet Ty bro

[coarse dock]

I think part of the problem is IM seems to cater towards whoever is the most vocal as well

[cosmic swan]

Sure, and that's why they should add proper way to test thing and gather feedback and suggestion (like this https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players)

[short sparrow]

Dark and darker players love to complain I don't think that's a problem

[coarse dock]

Class gets nerfed/buffed, people are either very mad or happy about buffs, que in nerfs/buffs for said class which angers or makes said people happy

Or in the case of adding in gbmm, that made the sweaty part of the player base angry. They remove gbmm to an extent and now the casual side are mad. They add it back in but eventually make gear not matter, now alot of people complain and some rejoice, they revert and vice versa

[chrome haven]

listening to us is the problem

[coarse dock]

Exactly, ironmace should stop listening and just double down on their decision

[cosmic swan]

Even when they're trash and bad for the game? I don't think so

[short sparrow]

That would be a good idea if they didn't release the most stupid shit

[coarse dock]

Alot of other games that make "bad" decisions according to the community live to tell the tale

[cosmic swan]

They need to come to some kind of middle ground where they don't listen too much but don't ignore us att all. And that's why imo they have to come up with a system mad for that like this https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/591702/incentivize-using-the-test-server-by-rewarding-and-including-players

[cosmic swan]

And a lot die because of it while it could have been avoid. It's not black or white, there is thing that can be done

[coarse dock]

Yes but I would also rather layman (this includes me) not have any say in the matter

[cosmic swan]

layman? What does that mean (English is not my first language)

[coarse dock]

I will have to completely fact check this cause i am probably wrong, but I think I recall something where valve was trying to do some community thingy in tf2 and it just wasn't working out at all (since you know, the community don't exactly have devs or professionals)

[coarse dock]

Someone who lacks education and/or professional knowledge in a certain field

[cosmic swan]

Ok ty

[astral meteor]

Guys is it possible for HR wyvern to lunge while you are at the very close range hitting it ? Never happened for normal wyvern but it did happen with HR

[slate walrus]

anybody know if high roller is mmr based?

[atomic condor]

it is absolutely not

[atomic condor]

new players can get paired with top5 players, that was my very first experience in highroller so i can personally confirm this

[cunning cargo]

Anyone hve a legendary ox pendant or tattered cloak with +hp +action speed +armor/pdr% and +add or tru phys dmg willing to sell me?

[slate walrus]

yeah i figured it was kinda random, probably based on server values

[cosmic swan]

Trust me MMR without gearscore is not better we used to have that in the past. But unfortunately with this player base we can"t afford a mix of both, so they sticked to gearscore as it's the less worst

[atomic condor]

what region you are on and when you queue, and now the 2 gear level queues at 125-224 adn 225+ are the only seperators to my knowledge.

From what i've noticed, there seems to be 2 queues per map? from fresh timer to 1:30 and then 1:30 to map end, if the lobby doesn't fill by those times it forces a start. at least that's been my experience

[slate walrus]

interesting, not sure about the fresh timer queues but the rest sounds right

[atomic condor]

you can try it for yourself, if you start matchmaking at 1:31 you'll be almost instantly put in a game every time (assuming you aren't quing duos/trios as a solo and need other smaller parties to queue into)

[agile ibex]

When I am using the Ceremonial Staff with Torture Mastery does the healing decrease when I swap to another weapon?

[atomic condor]

if i recall correctly, most HoTs are snapshots of what your magical healing stat is when you activate it. I believe Torture Mastery along with Druid's Natural Healing are the exceptions to this

[cosmic swan]

no

[agile ibex]

cool

[atomic condor]

so yes, you would need the staff out for maximum magical healing from your curses

[cosmic swan]

No, the formula is written when you cast the spell

[atomic condor]

i can double check, but i've done the tests before

[cosmic swan]

My bad you'r right "Torture Mastery is also not a HoT but a new instance of healing every second that the target receives damage from Curse of Pain / Power of Sacrifice. "

[atomic condor]

things like potions and direct healing spells snapshot, but druid's natural healing perk and torture mastery change dynamically with your gear

[cosmic swan]

if it's a new instance of heal each tick of damage then if you put away the staff you heal less

[nova mauve]

@cosmic swan sadly thats what is going to happen, 75% of this games attempt to push updates were just rolled back.

[earnest rapids]

where do I claim rak reward

[lapis quest]

Yes

[wispy tide]

wipe already

[cosmic swan]

Not 75% you'r exaggerating but yes, some of the biggest change have been released without test and rolled back

[atomic condor]

ye syou lose healing when you put it away. a good rule of thumb to follow for this is if a buff is directly applied to you, like nature's touch or restore, then it snapshots whatever gear you have on,

but if it's per tick, like torture mastery, then it changes dynamically with your gear

[agile ibex]

Can you guys not agree on how the game works?

[atomic condor]

we are agreeing lol i am going in to tripple check, but i've done these tests before because i was wondering about druid stuff too

[cosmic swan]

No xD Those thing are not clearly stated in game so people have to do test to clarify that. But yeah we're aggreeing on this one. Yes you need to keep the staff

[agile ibex]

half the answer are yes the other half no

[atomic condor]

just tested again myself, 100% yes you have to keep it out

[agile ibex]

damn

[atomic condor]

you also missed the part where Dilo corrected himself saying i was right lol

[agile ibex]

Its so hard to get good mag healing with squire gear as is.

[atomic condor]

the amount of mag healing you get in squire gear is plenty for squire lobbies lol with or without ceremonial staff

[agile ibex]

But its not enough to justify running vamp

[cosmic swan]

It seems that this is only true for TM and Sanctuary. Each tick are individual instance of heal so if you have a buff or debuff that impact your healing that end in the middle of the heal it'll impact the heal value

[limber garden]

But in all reality don’t use a ceremonial as a warlock

[atomic condor]

Druid's Natural Healing perk works the same way, changing dynamically as you change your weaponry and gear

[cosmic swan]

Yeah seems logical as it's different instance of heal too

[agile ibex]

why not?

[atomic condor]

book is actually just too good, you move faster and the casting animation is faster and you have a lot less risk of hitting the environment

[cosmic swan]

Slow you too much I guess

[agile ibex]

book has not heal

[limber garden]

You care more about speed and positioning as a warlock with tm and a ceremonial staff makes you to slow and you lose bonus dmg from magic power like the book gives you

[atomic condor]

movement speed and animation size and duration are very important in this game

[cosmic swan]

Yeah it doesn't but if you'r fast enough to dodge hit you don't need that much healing

[limber garden]

You can roll magic heal on books tho so technically it does just not as much but you really only need like 14 magic heal for a decent tm kit

[atomic condor]

your spells will come out slower, you are more likely to hit a wall, and you will move slower

[agile ibex]

I don't care about magic power, I care about healing.

[atomic condor]

none of what i said was related to magic power

[limber garden]

I understand but you should also care about cast speed and animation of your arms. And you still need some dmg because you can’t spam spells like you use to as a warlock with the changes so you want a little more oopmf

[atomic condor]

longer casting animation makes hitscan spells harder to hit and makes it so you can't cast as many as quickly, if your staff hits a doorway or wall that spell just doesn't get to happen at all, and if you are getting out maneuvered because your speed is too low you are SoL

you do you boo, don't get me wrong i like using weird stuff too, but the book is also just objectively the best right now, with some few exceptions for the magic staff

[strong needle]

buff spin blocking with a longsword

[cosmic swan]

Pls god no

[limber garden]

Magic staff bonk warlock is fun I can’t deny @atomic condor

[atomic condor]

i was more talking bonk wizard and cleric but yea that too lol

[limber garden]

They should make boc dark magic dmg so it scales with soul collector (not healthy but would be funny to see the barbs cry)

[agile ibex]

Well it doesn't really matter since the mag healing bonus will disappear when I swap to my primary weapon.

[atomic condor]

look, ceremonial staff isn't a bad choice, but book is just a lot better, even in squire gear

i like running magic only warlock and having ceremonial staff in my second slot for emergency healing can help a lot

[limber garden]

IMO ceremonial staff is unironically the worse. Some would argue crystal sword but atleast high end caster builds do dmg with the sword and cast with other book

[hot walrus]

why am i locked into queue for the first ten seconds? its sucha dumb fuckign design to not be able to cancel the queue holy shit

[atomic condor]

the worst sure yea but outright bad? nah

something can be the worst in it's category and still be fine, both can be true at the same time

[limber garden]

I mean as a warlock you get the 2nd worse casting animation with it and it does worse melee dmg out of all the warlock weapons. Only the sword has a worse casting animation

[agile ibex]

I just want to heal more so I don't get my stuff shoved in while trying to hit things with my slow ponderous weapons.

[atomic condor]

i personally definitely don't use it as a primary casting impliment, when i use it i have a book in the other slot

[limber garden]

If you want to heal more it’s easier to just use a book hit like 3 mobs with curses and phantomize as you heal

[atomic condor]

honestly yea, especially in squire gear, but even in some higher gear, you get your insane healing from how many curses you get out not raw through your stats

[limber garden]

The only time you care about how much is if you are trying to use hydra and curse on to hydra to heal with tm but you need like 20 or more magic heal to make it worth healing through hydra

[atomic condor]

nah hydra healing is great even in basekit, the only problem with it is if you are using life drain you have to think about when and where you use it more

[limber garden]

I’m assuming no life drain because tm warlocks don’t take life drain. They need the spell slot for flame walk or hellfire

[atomic condor]

10 spell warlock is nice for that c:

[limber garden]

Yeah but also life drain isn’t effected by magic healing only dmg

[atomic condor]

double curse torture mastury and life drain, much fast, very heal

[limber garden]

Also I would like to point out that 10 spell warlock is crazy, phantomize to op

[atomic condor]

oh yeah no i'm not saying 10 spell is optimal lol just good and fun

[valid oriole]

Guys i'm now unranked in the leaderboard, did the season end?

[agile ibex]

It feels like all of the guides I find on youtube are all super outdated...

[strong needle]

yes

[valid oriole]

heck

[shut snow]

Anything older then 2 months is gonna be crazy outdated they did some major stat changes and the big hp nerf and it’s like a completely different game now

[brittle sinew]

Ironmace, we don't want rogue to be a landmine. Makes rogue a landmine and adds double invis. Say one thing do another

Anyone know if lightorbs have been changed on Wizard I put them down and rogues don't seem to get pulled out of invis alot of the time anymore?

[atomic condor]

they've been working just fine for me

[hard rock]

This game good or bad

[acoustic vigil]

Am I dumb or did high roller grinding just end?

[slate walrus]

it ended hours ago

[acoustic vigil]

Well crap, completely missed the timer then, there goes the demi grind

[shell root]

season rewards once per account. Thanks for saying that at the END of the Season.. such a bs move when the devs knew players would grind all 9 chars to green

[sharp crane]

what class is meta rn

[rigid vault]

the alt+f4 class is kinda meta

[agile ibex]

I don't know what the meta is but I think warlock is fun

[marble fiber]

Anyone able to find games on normals?? I can't get a team on 2s and 3s at all

[marble fiber]

Honestly it's kind of obvious? You won't get 9 separate Zombie races

[frosty rose]

anyone got the collectors dis?

[shell root]

learn to read

[marble fiber]

Someone's mad

[coral veldt]

you cant earn HR points anymore for rank right?

[scenic wren]

they used to give 9 gold coin bags, 1 for each character that hit wanderer. At the end of season, they changed it. It is a bit frustrating, he seems a bit too mad though

[cosmic swan]

Season ended a few hours ago

[hexed mortar]

is there any way to transfer your blacksmith account to steam stilll?

[loud gyro]

best barbarian skills?

[sullen urchin]

there is no people enough to play sometimes, so its normal i believe

[earnest tiger]

why the fuck wasn't the season ending communicated more clearly? the leaderboard spot was blank all fucking season, so anybody might assume the season ends on the 18th because nothing else has been said

[brittle sinew]

This game is so broken lol my freind gets +1 when we win in Arena

[coral veldt]

kk thx

[warm locust]

ive played 2 high roller games and havent recieved my ap, I am unraked what is going on

[earnest tiger]

season ended today @warm locust

with minimal communication. i'm also annoyed af

[warm locust]

what stats were on the zombie im kinda upset i missed it

[scenic wren]

Literally no one knows until they release the rewards next season

[warm locust]

ahh

[dry pelican]

just guessing, but would probably be similar to the mummy

[unreal ferry]

Anyone know how to play on steam deck

[nova mauve]

@cosmic swan alright 60% then

[leaden pumice]

is the high roller season over?

[sturdy surge]

The timer for leaderboard has been out for weeks

[earnest tiger]

i swear on both our mamas that the leaderboard timer has not worked until the wipe timer came out today @sturdy surge

[sturdy surge]

Nah just unlucky you didn’t look, they announced it in one of the patches but yeah if you missed that I don’t blame you. But it has def been out for like the last month

[mystic wind]

After my computer broke I have found a way to play dark and darker without a pc. I've been using GeForce Now. I big issue I've came across is that some products like Samsung tvs can't handel mouse input, but can handle controller input better than mouse. Basicly what I'm getting at is dark and darker is not at all controller friendly. Even though they have the buttons on screen in the menu to indicate you are using a controller but you can't even pass the first screen about any patches without a mouse

[leaden pumice]

okay thats makes sense. dang i made it up to voyager and was gonna go for that rucksack check lol

[earnest tiger]

@sturdy surge could you kindly point to the patch announcement? i've looked over the last 4 and haven't found it

[mystic wind]

Been playing the game using a controller in my left and mouse on my right hand on my Samsung phone. The game play is do able, hard but doable with controller but things like inventory need to be fixed for controllers so its like minecraft quick inventory

There is no button for rest. And you cannot edit your button layout / change key bindings with controller.

Currenrly For instance like I previously stated that there is no rest button, you can't move items around in your inventory. So you can't move ur potions, bandages or loot. Crouching is right thumb stick needs to be changed to B. And the emot wheel is stuck on the same button that changes to ur primary weapon

[sturdy surge]

Maybe I was talking out of my ass cause I can’t find it now. Either way is this your first wipe? Cause every other wipe they have ended the season a week before wipe

[earnest tiger]

second wipe, and the leaderboard timer was working just fine last wipe

[sturdy surge]

Yeah they were definitely late with it. It was in the last like 2 weeks to a month that they added it tho. Def was here when they showed the rewards at the very least. Still an L by them for sure

[mystic wind]

Other than that the game is playable, I can parry with long sword but, shield and mace game play is peak for controller users on dark and darker

[earnest raft]

did ap season end??? i thought it lasted to end of wipe

[earnest tiger]

same brother, same 😭

[earnest raft]

Nice, finally a reason to uninstall. GGs ironmace, screw your lack of communcation

[flat isle]

Just sayin, there was a.. you know... big red countdown in the Leaderboard tab for weeks

[sullen fossil]

bye

[spark hedge]

Nerf wizard and ranger WHEN?

[agile ibex]

Everyone is saying nerf this and nerf that, how about instead we buff every class. Because when every class is op, no one will be.

[spark hedge]

Bro clases range are absurd broken , not all clases are op. A lot of melee weapons are U S E L E S S

[agile ibex]

Read what I said again but slower.

[spark hedge]

Buff every class, incluided the op classes, clap clap clap clap

[agile ibex]

What in that sentace said anything about all classes being op?

[spark hedge]

Maybe rework a lot of melee weapons or all weapons can block, or improve the block system or the desync in the game

Remove range, i want play dungeon crawler no medieval cs go

[eager igloo]

The game is getting boring day by day because we dont see new mechanics. Like secondary attacks in EVERY weapon, block abilites and combo attacks with dual wield and a bunch of perks for EVERY class each wipe to keep the game fresh...

[fervent anvil]

Wait for content update then

[quick ermine]

Good games haven't had new mechanics in decades and still attract good playerbase. Dark and Darker already has enough mechanics that a new player needs to figure out, not boring at all if you put yourself in the shows of a newcomer imo

[eternal river]

That's on you for not paying attention, there was literally a countdown in the left upper corner.

[fervent anvil]

Its always ended a week before. Pay attention

[fast wave]

Game lacks content not mechanics. Most people seem to enjoy a month and then wait till the next wipe

[nova mauve]

Game fun when

[fervent anvil]

Game fun now

[quick ermine]

People have been replaying the same map in league of legends for 15 years, a decade in Dota 2 and 20 years in World of Warcraft. Lack of content is not tied to content being new. I play a lot of Arena which is the same content over and over. PvP is good in DaD, it's about time people stop whining and move on if they're not happy with the game, it is not very hard to understand imo

[fast wave]

But then you point to games with literal hundreds of hours of content. Dad just doesn't have that much going on lol. New perks or balanced unused perks would be a good example of content they could do RN and choose not to

Dota2 has like 100+ heroes? Wow has like...7days in game time 1-60 for an average.

[fervent anvil]

Go play those then if you dont like the gameplay loop of dungeon game

[fast wave]

Wasn't even my point lmao. Y'all too hostile

[quick ermine]

You missed the point. New content is not tied with content being fun. I think a lot of players enjoy PvP dungeon crawling.

[fervent anvil]

Being hostile is fun tho :(

[fast wave]

Nah but how they are handling things, the current content is not keeping players around. And that's just a fact

[nova mauve]

I find it very entertaining, that the moment anyone "in this case @fast wave " challenges the issues with this game. It is immediately met with "lol you just don't like the game, it's great, go play something else". Very fascinating lol.

[fervent anvil]

Its keeping me aroune

[fast wave]

And it's a big reason the community doesn't grow.

[quick ermine]

When the issues are someone not enjoying said game, they are the issue. Players that play a game they do not find fun is very weird behavior.

[nova mauve]

They are fine with weapons clipping through shields I suppose, causing block to fail, or desync blocking right? @fast wave

[marble cove]

The community of this game has always been a dumpster fire

[fast wave]

I'm in favor of this game first off lol. I want this game to do better

[nova mauve]

This game has a combination of issues that both have to deal with content and updates in general.

[quick ermine]

It is normal for a playerbase to decline until it reaches a sweet spot. It happened for a lot of games.

[nova mauve]

They waste more time flip flopping updates than anything else I've seen

[torn plover]

do you lose items in arena right now or did theychange that?

[fervent anvil]

You dont lose anything

[torn plover]

@fervent anvil so just buy BIS and practice pvp?

[fervent anvil]

Yup

[fervent latch]

do you still need self found gear for arena

[fervent anvil]

Look up

[fervent latch]

gamers dont look up bro

[shy juniper]

I forgot about arena and I blew all my good kits the other day just having fun! Can one of you cool cats hook me up with a legendary 3 healing choker?

I don't want to dungeon dive 😂

[umbral path]

This game is wild, ill play HR goblin duos and see no one for 3 games other than some new players, next game there will be a fully lobby of bis teams and I'll immediately think this must be a named item run. Weird how people gear up when another team queues in before its even known. Then all the fights happen in the same 1 module.

[high ruin]

If i drop my shiz in a lobby, does goblin bro get it back?

[topaz socket]

Just came back to the game after a decent length break there's no gear bracket for arena now?

[fast wave]

Decline is an understatement

[nimble field]

Is account linking still available?

[ocean eagle]

No.

[nimble field]

Rip

[ocean eagle]

Arena does not have any gear brackets.

[neon quarry]

Get good or die tryin

[plucky zealot]

why are my ranks gone

[cold inlet]

im wondering the same thing? my timer is purple, i dont understand

[subtle heart]

would make more sense if they had to encourage new players to do Arenas

[woeful plume]

End of season. We're in limbo until the wipe.

[atomic cove]

It's time to get some uniques and bosses training

[neon whale]

So I logged on and all of my ap is gone

[ocean eagle]

lol

[clear wing]

is there still a 124 gs bracket for normals? or was it removed

[sly kraken]

Is anyone encountering glitching on the wizard I suddenly can’t use spells and dying by something invisible

[gloomy haven]

Would like the zone coming back.
It sure was more dynamic that way, maybe with the reduced healing that wl and cl cant chill forever.

[agile ibex]

Does Banshee not provide healing to TM warlock for some reason?

[serene crow]

lmao I thought the season went until wipe. I wish we had an announcement or something before it ended

[wanton iron]

Hey can you still lose purchased gear in arena mode?

[serene crow]

nah, they changed that a while back. Look at the patch notes.

[wanton iron]

How about stats on an instrument or weapon? Like if I have “+__% buff duration bonus” is that overall or just when I’m holding the tool?

[graceful storm]

There is always a timer on the leaderboard counting down till it ends

[green holly]

my rank is currently bugged it says that I'm unranked when I reached pathfinder yesterday?

is this happening/happend to anyone else or just me

[agile ibex]

Is there a way to use a replay/death cam as proof of cheating?

[bitter void]

When is the wipe?

[main stag]

can i bring uniques into arenas ?

[graceful storm]

When wipe

[agile ibex]

Dec 18

[cosmic swan]

No

[sudden mesa]

When IS the fresh start?

[cosmic swan]

You need to record it on your side, use Windows+G or Nvidea shadowplay (AMD also have his thing)

[agile ibex]

I can't afford to record every game I play just to catch cheaters.

[cosmic swan]

Make some effort pls read 2 message above yours or check #📢announcements. It should even be shown in the leaderboard tab in game now that the season ended

[agile ibex]

But this guy was for sure cheating, was aimed at my head through a wall and headshot me even when I was sitting down in perfect darkness.

[cosmic swan]

No it's a software that allow you to record the last 3 min~ of gameplay

So when you think someone is cheating press the button and you'll record the last 3 min most of the time it's enough, especially if you only want the death cam

[sudden mesa]

Thx geek

[undone jasper]

Is there going to be a new class in the next patch?

[fast wave]

People think so but I can't find somewhere that says they will be releasing sorc.

[ruby fossil]

dev qna with onepeg

[fast wave]

At least they announced it here 🤣

[quick ermine]

No that is what happens with very succesful game early on.

[fast wave]

Very successful lol. Come on troll

[quick ermine]

Compare that game to many small studio developed games and you will not find many who are doing that well. DaD is in the top 5% of games when it comes to success after 18 months. 2/3 of the new games die or are left with little next to no players.

[fast wave]

Ugh you just spew bs all day

[quick ermine]

What exactly is BS in what I said ? Look up the data on steam if you don't believe me. Find games released past 3 years and watch their player count after 18 months. Find me 5 of these games with a better player retention then DaD (you won't be able to, that's the catch).

[glacial wave]

why wait a week to wipe the game?

[steep pawn]

To prepare "content"

[marble fiber]

Alright that makes sense now, I started out this season so how was I to know, thanks for pointing it out

[fervent anvil]

To give players time to cool of from the season and to let the devs send it with crazy balance ideas

[fast wave]

It's cool man you do you. You just constantly talk nonsense and made up facts

[subtle heart]

Can you believe there’s actual people who use E-SP and R-M-T their gold and then go around bragging about their spot on the leaderboard? Also why are those acronyms banned from the discord?

[quick ermine]

It's not because you don't get what I say that it's nonsense, that's a very slippery slope to refuse to recognize I'm right. The game is successful, that's not even a question. Made up facts ? The data is on Steam they make that stuff public. Like if you could point out what is BS in what I say maybe, just maybe, you'd look a bit less pepega. Playing dodgy when I'm directly answering you with pretty standard video game industry information (little did know, I work for a very big studio) is not the way to go. It's fine if you think the game is garbo, but that would still only be your opinion. Many people can dislike a game while it still sees success. Meditate on this, if you wanna call me out, please do so. I'm be very happy to know what's BS in all I said. Like do it.

[fast wave]

Because you just want banter and someone else will come along and bite.

[misty axle]

Big studio mean who created concord? Yeah compare to that its huge

[quick ermine]

Nah, I work for Ubisoft. I ain't super proud but it pays big money.

[fast wave]

Lmfao

[misty axle]

Dude tbh ubisoft is same shit

[errant hamlet]

Bruh ubisoft

[quick ermine]

That's where you're wrong. Point me out what's wrong with my reasoning, come forth.

[misty axle]

If you are gonna compare same stuff you gonna put up tarkov, marauder or other extraction title

[fast wave]

No wonder that sticks stuck up there. Nah you literally aren't worth my time bro

[errant hamlet]

Hopefully it pays, wich u Luck

[fast wave]

I denied your request to discuss anything. Now you're pushing it cause you're butthurt, you aren't an enjoyable person to talk to. So I don't.

[quick ermine]

You don't have the ability to call me out, that's the best part. You play dodgy just like most people who I confront. There's a reason they play dodgy, I figure their gimmick and it doesn't work.

[errant hamlet]

Miracle, How do you see the maneer they Work on the game ?

[quick ermine]

wdym ? manner like how they work on a game ? can you reword that otherwise cause I don't get it.

[errant hamlet]

The road they lead to

[quick ermine]

wdym ? what road ?!?!

[errant hamlet]

Numbers UP/down, no content, somehow being bullied by discord gen chat

Some values that get X10 in a patch

[quick ermine]

wdym for real ? you speak about manner, road, numbers up/down, no content, bullied by discord gen chat... what are you talking about. Send me a DM maybe cause I don't understand what you are asking.

[umbral iron]

Anyone know when wipe is?

[pseudo zinc]

why tf are mobs still in arena

also how broken is the playerbase that coming back for a night as a joke and my arena placement matches are people constantly in endgame 1tap gear lmao

[shy tinsel]

warlocks

[fast wave]

At end wipe?

[pseudo zinc]

its kind of an issue that literally every match has it LMAO theres NO diversity, gear is still broken

[open hound]

The only issue is, that people could be rewarded for this o.o thats dumb imo.

The fact people are one tapping isnt surprising, bad balancing, maps that are just too open and dont leave room for strategy, gear difference etc.

[pseudo zinc]

combat mechanics too dont forget that. A combo based system in a game where stacking +speed and damage to mitigate the risk of combat is a biiiiit of a bad design idea but what do I know lmao

[cunning canopy]

You should not play arena if you are homeless

[open hound]

Honeslty, I think the swipes of bardiche for instance being 1/0.9/1.1 per combo are dumb.

Then u have spear which is ez af headshots.

[pseudo zinc]

see tho, headhunting would be fine if there was actual skill to it. But this game basically tried to be chivalry and tarkov without the benefits of either and most of the downsides for long run play. It just isnt fun to learn, because the base game is inherently just not that good.

literally any competition would make people jump ship.

[zenith arch]

Ahhh finally back from my 12hours a day job and i'm free for the next 3 days. Demigod here i come!

[pseudo zinc]

To break down the worst part of melee though? Whiffing is literally LESS punishable than actually scoring a hit! if you whiff, you get your second hit faster, which does more damage, mind you... and if you hit? youre rewarded with weapon slowdown! ok, so maybe youll master defense. Oh wait, the only defense is footsies unless you have a shield or...lets count them... 3 weapons in the game! The bardiche, quarterstaff, or the longsword. and the only block thats even worth it is the longsword cus it isnt even a block. Its a double damage riposte. nevermind the fact that blocking is worthless because it gives you no time advantage against your opponents, with hitboxes so tiny on them that you might as well just never even consider RMB to even exist because its unironically nerfing yourself to block unless youre godlike or the internet is half decent. There is so much fundementally wrong with the game, and the fact that the melee in a medieval tarkov game is this broken is terrible. Theres a reason that theres only two groups, which are people who have endgame gear and people who complain on this sub. Cus instead of making the game more fun, they just basically tell everyone to get over it and learn the game which at its core is just bad.

this game is legit just a hug your opponent fest and see who wins. The only actual skill is weapon aim, which is so jank youll be lucky if you register the right limb hit

[pseudo zinc]

well the game lets me, so yeah actually I should be able to.

[teal kiln]

There is so much micro in this game people always overlook it or ignore it. All the tiny actions a player can do make a huge difference, whether it’s inventory swapping, sheath in sheath, tiny steps, a jump, a flick, misdirection/mind games. I feel like people don’t credit the skill where it’s due

[strong rampart]

Dear project manager, I had a problem, yesterday he gave a ban on the use of cheats, but I did not play with cheats, there is a video of my gameplay, and a video of the moment of the ban, everything is clearly visible there, that I did not use any software, I played honestly for 24 hours I've been asking for almost no time since I contacted support and there is no answer, can anyone help with this problem?

[pseudo zinc]

except the inherent problem is the games progression nerfs that completely to where the little guy is almost always outclassed unless he has the right enchantments on his gear. The combat isnt completely unfixable no but the current gear system turns a bad problem into a borderline unplayable one if you dont "commit to the grind". Of course better gear should help you win, but it shouldnt be the overarching deciding factor. Unless its literally full oranges against no name gear but even then there should still be a chance. Like how in chivalry the perfect parry is literally stated to make 1vxing a group possible, but not easy. mechanics that benefit skill is what this game needs. ADAD strafing doesn't save someone completely outclassed in gear. They can't even run in most circumstances because evasion is dictated solely on movement speed and the better geared guy (if hes smart) will almost always have it better in that regard.

[teal kiln]

Mmmmm this is true. I like what you said about how although these things like strafing work ultimately it won’t really matter in the end unless the other player makes a massive error. I think they need to fine tune some other mechanics like blocking or something to make it more skill competitive

[marble fiber]

Do we still not lose gear in Arena?

[sacred rune]

Can the arena distinguish between killing a teammate maliciously and killing a teammate by mistake? I am now banned for two and a half hours.

[cosmic swan]

Not really, that would require human intervention and they can't afford to do that for everyone. two and a half hour? That mean you already got banned for that no?

[lyric plaza]

Can we still get AP in High roller ?

[cosmic swan]

No the season ended in the night

[lyric plaza]

That sucks but thanks for awnser

[gilded lagoon]

When is wipe

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[gilded lagoon]

Ty

[pseudo zinc]

key example. I didnt build for dex, I go against a slightly higher geared bard. He gets way too many stacks up way too quickly, and is able to face tank TWO HITS and still out DPS a halberd 3 hits into a combo. He 3 tapped me. I hit him over the head and a body poke, he just took it like it was literally nothing.

[paper forum]

Just to confirm - I can't farm AP for the rewards anymore, right?

[cosmic swan]

Nop

[royal moon]

What stats does the pathfinder zombie skin this season provide ?

[cosmic swan]

Not sure we know it yet

[pseudo zinc]

how arbitrary are the arena numbers, sometimes its 20, sometimes its almost 100, I dont get it

[short sparrow]

Prob similar to how player kill ap is calculated

[cosmic swan]

I'm not sure, because i've had game where I have more kill thant my friend and he get more point. Also I think in Arena the matchmaking is Skill based

[short sparrow]

Thats not what I meant

[void marten]

Is frost wyvern egg only from high roller?

[south otter]

Arena rating gain/loss is pure bs. Won 5 games in a row yesterday, lost 1. Net negative rating, Add ti that the fact that if you solo queue and get a bad teamcomp, you just lose. Or if you meet a premade it's just depressing.

[wise girder]

Is it another wipe or did they decide to do a rank wipe 6 days before the wipe that my rank is not displayed in the high roll?

[cosmic swan]

The wipe is in a week but the PvP season ended yesterday. You'll get the reward right after the wipe

[wise girder]

Thank you

[south otter]

I think arena placement matches has to get looked at + mmr gain. I'm at 1900 and I swear some of these teammates I get have no idea how to play PvP

[clever spruce]

will there be season rewards for arena?

[cosmic swan]

Not for this season as it was the first and a "test season"

[spiral orchid]

Hi guys, I'm Spanish and I want to say something to implement in the game, which is that when you stop using the shields, you put them behind your back and it would be good if it didn't hurt you in that part of your body because otherwise it doesn't make much sense 😄

[torn plover]

I cant fucking handle the 3x ranger groups in arena, I want to alt f4 every time I see it

[cosmic swan]

Unfortunately there is not enough player to afford the rule they wanted to do in the beginning "No double/triple class comp"

[sullen vector]

hey so did the season end? i dont seem to have a rank when i log in

[cosmic swan]

Yeah it ended yesterday. The rank don't show but they're saved you'll get the reward after the wipe

[sullen vector]

wow ok thanks

[halcyon void]

how long does it take to switch to steam?

[south otter]

I hope the reward is the same as HR tbh. Fighting for a top 100 spot is just cancer, depending on your class. If it was top 100 per class, that would be more manageable

[stiff estuary]

how do i fight against druid in bear form and panther form as a barbarian i keep getting cooked lmao

[cosmic swan]

? I think he was asking for HR season, there is no reward for this Arena season

[south otter]

Nah, he said arena

[cosmic swan]

Oh I assumed you answered to the message just above mb

[south otter]

Ah, I see. Happens

[cosmic swan]

Well I think it's going to be a whole different set of reward for the arena season and you'll have to grind both to get everything

[south otter]

Imo this is sad if that's the case. Unless they fix rating gain I guess? No more win 5 lose 1 for net negative rating. Or let it be top 100 per class ig

[cosmic swan]

yeah they're still setting up and tuning the MMR system it'll surely get improved/balanced. It make no sense right now

Also rank per class is a good idea imo

[south otter]

It's straight up horrible atm. So are most of the maps balancewise

[cosmic swan]

You mean the module?

[south otter]

Yeah. Should be 2x2 imo. And only minted gear

[shrewd stream]

Yo my trading privilage got revoked, I believe it was after I activated trading on a second char, anyone know a fix?

[cosmic swan]

Well I invite you to look at every map https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/Crypt-01-N And honestly there is not that much module that could work on Arena. The one we have are kinda the less worst

[shrewd stream]

It says I have to wait 72h again

[south otter]

I guess alter some modules or just make it 2x2 so you have more options 🤔

[cosmic swan]

I don't think 2x2 is a good idea, unless they do like 3vs3vs3 one day

It'll end up being Door and Doorer on every round

[south otter]

Won't really know until we test it 🤷

[olive horizon]

why can i see my rank is it bugged ?

[south otter]

But then you can flank properly,, or tactical retreats etc

[cosmic swan]

The season ended, you rank have been freezed and you'll get the reward after the wipe

@olive horizon Nop

[olive horizon]

so i can t win ap at the moment ?

[cosmic swan]

Maybe 2x2 but without door then

[zinc root]

got the same here, many others too

[echo lake]

the leaderboard tab is showing the season rewards, but its not possible to get them anymore, right? could anyone confirm?

[cosmic swan]

Yes season ended. Rank have been freeze and you'll get the reward after the wipe

[echo lake]

i see thx. shame i couldnt get them in time. are these rewards end of year only or end of wipes?

[cosmic swan]

End of wipe. New season with new reward every wipe (So around every 3 month~)

[echo lake]

nice

[clever spruce]

IS THERE rewards for arena ranking?

[cosmic swan]

You mean Arena?

[clever spruce]

yes

[cosmic swan]

Not this season, it was the first/test season

[clever spruce]

NO SHOT at maybe suprise rewards?

[cosmic swan]

I don't think so. They probably have their hand full with the Sorcerer and the Continuous dungeon thing

[ebon hornet]

Please just make dark offering usable at a squire level. silly you have to essentially have buff duration rolls on blue/purple gear just to be able to keep your stacks going

[charred pivot]

When is wipe?

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[charred pivot]

Thanks 🙂

[red kindle]

When is wipe?

[charred pivot]

December 18th

[red kindle]

Why is wipe?

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[charred pivot]

Because not wiping is unsanitary

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[red kindle]

How is wipe?

[cosmic swan]

Uncertain

[red kindle]

I wish him well

[cosmic swan]

I wish we would have been able to test the new thing before the wipe (To avoid a month of hotfix to fix it)

[red kindle]

Continous dungeon?

[cosmic swan]

Yes (and sorcerer why not)

[red kindle]

I wish they'd do a great number of things but I am content with what we have and what we are given.

And very excited as well

[cosmic swan]

I'm excited too, for the socketing and the sorcerer but the Continous dungeon scare me from the little we know about it it sound like it could work but they're doing it so wrong

[red kindle]

Change is always scary. I too have my doubts but less Qs and actually picking the map you want to play without waiting sounds good in my book. I am curious as to how they'll deal with loot though. Empty chests, dead mobs and bosses and such.

[cosmic swan]

Well that's the issues, it look like they're not deal with loot and mob and boss. Sure less Qs and no more map rotation sound goo but if it's to end in game with the half the timer already gone and no more mob and chest in the module you spawned in well I would have prefered to test it on the test server first to give feedback

Because lots of people are just going to rage about that like never and it'll hurt the game like hotfix 69 did and multiclassing

[sick depot]

It will probably suck/be broken upon release

[hot walrus]

i mean if they used the damn test servers we would know

[marble harbor]

hey guys, when killing wyvern, when the phase changes, how do I keep being at one place? I crouch, slow walk and bandage at the same time, but it always knocks me out

[serene crown]

Gotta use the ice blocks, behind them for first two phases. In front for the last.

[sudden tiger]

Just tried to go in with gear score higher than 122 with my friend but why cant i go in? do i need to pay for the premium thing?

[woven bone]

When did they announce you can no longer earn AP?

[clever spruce]

like 2 weeks ago

[woven bone]

What post?

[clever spruce]

literally in game beside ur ap where it now says "reset clock" it said "season finish" or somethiung like that before and a blurb about how thats the end of the AP date. It was yesterday it ended

its had a count down timer for weeks

[woven bone]

Wish they wouldve posted abvout it instead but its whatever

[clever spruce]

it waS Very in your face. Dont be upset cause u didnt read it 😛 it was also in the patch notes forever ago. They cant hold ur hand lol

[red kindle]

Post about it in the discord versus a timer counting down for ages that you would've seen checking the leaderboard in game

[woven bone]

Chill out yall I was just asking if there was a post, not as serious as yall making it out to be

[red kindle]

I'm chill as it gets 🥶

[clever spruce]

we told u there was, and then u said its not good enough 😛 mommy and daddy probably spoon fed you to much

[woven bone]

This is why no one chats in the disc, yall are weirdos man. Just asking a questions boys, relax lol

[clever spruce]

and we gave you an answer but you decided to be a child and say you need your hand held more lol. Lots of people talk in here brother man

[red kindle]

Everyone chats in the discord and you are not the first to ask the question you did.

[serene crown]

There are some cringy folks, nice ones too though.

[torpid valve]

Weird guy

[slim wave]

am i no longer able to grind ap??

[clever spruce]

as of yesterday you can not anymore 😦 theres a notice in game thats been posted for awhile.

[subtle heart]

If I do 30 damage and i take a piece of gear who add me 1 true the final dmg is 29 + 1 who is add a the end of calcul

[tepid gate]

Dynamic shadows when?

[cosmic swan]

The season always end 1 week before the wipe and the wipe was announced to be december 18th. Also for a week or 2 now you should have seen a timer to the end of season in the "Leaderboard" tab in game

[idle lintel]

is everyone in the same situation as me : on leaderboard you see your rank and score on the bottom left, but the progression bar tells you you are unranked and no reward is "checked" since the end of the season ? If I recall correctly it was not like that last season.

[cosmic swan]

It was like that last season. The season ended yesterday, you'r rank have been freezed and you'll get the reward after the wipe

[idle lintel]

ok, I must be mistaken, I thought the checkmark stayed beetwen end on season and wipe. thx

[chrome sun]

How yall enjoying the dark and darker Early Asscess

[cosmic swan]

I enjoy it very much

[robust thorn]

We should get multiclassing for wipe again

[cosmic swan]

They said not this time

[robust thorn]

dam

anything special planned for wipe like increased artis or no

[chrome sun]

doesnt seem like it but we are getting Sorcerer on day 1 if my source is accurate

[cosmic swan]

@robust thorn Nop

@chrome sun Yes if they don't push it later it's supposed to be released on wipe day

[light turtle]

Pleaaaaaaaaaaaase release every quest at once in the new wipe, waiting for quests sucks

[atomic condor]

alternatively, just let us know which ones to prioritize for cosmetics and still release them later

[light turtle]

I guess that's fair too. I just hate how stuff is locked behind quests that aren't even available.

[atomic condor]

its very common in live service games, it's an incentive to come back mid-season

[harsh stratus]

instead of that it simply drives me away after all my quests are done.

[atomic condor]

i'm not saying it's good just common

[rare oracle]

They originally did this to prevent full +3all gold kit no life’s week one. But now that those stats are gone. It wouldn’t even be a problem to just release them all.

[harsh stratus]

now they could release some EOS grind tier quests. Like, every 1000 kills you get or something drops a gold item from a merchant. Then when quests are done and AP is done... we have something to do

[red kindle]

One huge plus for this upcoming wipe I'm looking forward to will be the surge of YouTube content of people playing anything other than goblin caves or ruins. Finally I'll get some crypts and inferno videos.

[cosmic swan]

It's true that the 3 layer map kinda hurt the content creator too

[red kindle]

Its made most YT content quite stale after a while. Nobody plays ice, and specific youtubers stick to their favorite map most the time.

[cosmic swan]

On top of all the other negative secondary effect

[pliant rapids]

has it wiped and if what does it mean. do i lose my progres or what?

[frosty knot]

Everything goes away except ranked/seasonal rewards and MTX purchases

[cosmic swan]

Not yet, wipe is December 18th. And it wipe everything. Level, inventory, quest progress etc etc

Only thing you keep is your Blue/Red shard and Cosmetics

[topaz mulch]

can i get ap from below 225 gs high roller?

[echo wyvern]

Yes if AP was a thing atm, season ended can't gain AP anymore

[topaz mulch]

wait so rn cant gain ap anymore?

[solid plaza]

no cant rank up anymore

[topaz mulch]

rip i just bought legendary and just played high roller and dont know that, thanks for the info

[solid plaza]

np new season in week

[topaz mulch]

rip coin bag and skin haha

[cosmic swan]

Don't worry you'll have plenty of time to grind next season

[solid plaza]

can still get blue shards skin if you want easier to farm blue shards with legendary

[cosmic swan]

Yep if he didn't reach the limit per season

[summer wyvern]

when is the next wipe?

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[summer wyvern]

thanks

[orchid cargo]

can warlocks get hit in their ghost form from mobs?

[cosmic swan]

No, except mage fireball I think. Maybe some boss patern too

[orchid cargo]

and zombie fart thing the green cloud?

[cosmic swan]

Not sure but yes it's possible

[orchid cargo]

okay
thx

[boreal otter]

all traps too

[blissful wolf]

I'm not seeing an AP breakdown when leaving highroller and and when I check leaderboard it says im unranked even though I'm pathfinder. Anyone else getting this?

[atomic cove]

Season ended

[blissful wolf]

Damn that's what I though. Thanks man

[atomic cove]

And that's probably bug if you can't see rank, I have the same

[golden oracle]

the season ended but no wipe for like a week right?

[cosmic swan]

Yep

[subtle heart]

Does true damage add damage or take one of ur base damage make it unnaffected by armor ...

[abstract apex]

can we change druid chicken form description? It doesn't say a wild chicken like the rest of em

[cosmic swan]

It add 1 damage that ignore armor and hit location

[shadow mantle]

hey today i played high roller for the first time but it didnt gave me any elo,any1 can tell me why?

[cosmic swan]

Because you're a battery chicken who escaped

[abstract apex]

damn

[cosmic swan]

Yeah the season ended yesterday

[subtle heart]

Ok that strange cause people told the the other version so I don't know who is right im gonna check on wiki

[cosmic swan]

You can check but trust me I'm a living wiki

[subtle heart]

Yea its right

[nocturne river]

when is wipe?

[cosmic swan]

December 18th

[versed compass]

how do i see how much AP i have?

[cosmic swan]

The season ended yesterday so they froze the rank. Not sure you can see what it was right now

[versed compass]

OH

I just tried my first couple of HR runs, died on run 1 and extracted run 2 so iwanted to see how much AP my meagre extraction would get me

I wanted to try and get the coin bag for next season because coin management was such a pain

[cosmic swan]

You'll have to wait for the next season unfortunately. Wipe is December 18th

[cosmic swan]

Best advice is to focus Goblin merchant quest with every character to get several Gold coin bag

[versed compass]

I got to Buggy Bonds lol

[onyx valve]

Wow you can't even queue normal 3s because nobody is in matchmaking

[versed compass]

So is there a whole week where you can't gain ranks in HR but progressing your account is pointless because its going to reset?

I literally just got enough living armour pieces 😢

[solid plaza]

some ppl finishing up quests playing for fun to try new builds, learning bosses, using up all gear they have in pvp, new players learning mechanics

[cosmic swan]

Yes. Usually they do some fun event. But it a good timing to learn boss or things like that

[onyx valve]

Hard to PvP when every lobby is dead

[cosmic swan]

You can also try to rush the quest who give cosmetic

[solid plaza]

best bet to pvp fridays and when ppl get off work

[mild vault]

Is the only way to switch to steam to contact Ironmace support now?

[cosmic swan]

I think so yes

[versed compass]

who is that?

[lavish marsh]

whats going on with looting keybinds? I swear right clicking brought the item into your inventory but now it's dropping on the ground. Unless im crazy

[cosmic swan]

Goblin, tavern master and Treasurer or Collector i'm nit sure

[cosmic swan]

That's a bug, restart your game and it should be gone

[lavish marsh]

ok thx

[versed compass]

jesus to do any of these I have to do multiples of things I have never managed to do since I got the game lol, I dont think I'll manage it but i guess I'll try

[cosmic swan]

No need to pressure you it's only cosmetic. Take your time to learn the game, there is a lot to do

[versed compass]

is it worth trying arenas to learn pvp? Ive never managed to kill another player except when i traded one time because i poisoned him

[peak ether]

Arena is the place to go, if you need a kit i can hook it up

[versed compass]

are the cosmetics earned from quests kept after the wipe? just trying to decide if its better to try and grind out the cosmetic or just spend my time learning pvp

[restive raft]

@scenic island How long does account link take, can't play for 6 days

@scenic island How long does account link take, can't play for 6 days

[wild finch]

can u build bard with 124?

[versed compass]

@cosmic swan thanks for your help btw

[red kindle]

U can do both brother

[versed compass]

you have to survive and extract for most quest stuff

[red kindle]

Yes but u can play with a good team and do both i assure you

There's loads of people who would be willing to help

[versed compass]

I thought it has to be me who kills things for it to count?

[cosmic swan]

Nop