game-discussion

[subtle heart]

Okay, that still doesnt answer my hypotheical question.

[devout spire]

Yeah it was a redistribute script for steam. If you don’t download no gaming

[late timber]

Still trying to get use to the game again and new to all the changes they did after it was taking off steam for a while. What would be a good class to start out with that's good in both pvp and pve?

[blazing tundra]

anyone elses game get corrupted game files since last update and is completely unplayable?

[timid cradle]

Is lantern shield riposte not working with this patch?

[slow flame]

WE NEED A MONK CLASS

FISTICUFFS MUST BE VIABLE

THE FADE MUST BE RAN

[rapid ravine]

The state of barb makes solos pretty unplayable ngl

[subtle heart]

fix the audio in this game holy fuck

[hard crescent]

Can we get a " Highwaymens /Brigands Retreat " map with living human and sub races bandit like enemies .
In the middle of the world map there's some hills and campfires drawn. Perfect for this

[solid cypress]

when are they gonna take druid out of the game

[hard crescent]

Literally, have no place in this game

Can this game not crash ( no other game on my i9 14900k + 32gb ram + GeForce Rtx 4080 super does)

[red kindle]

I9 13 and 14 series processors have many issues. Google it. You may need to update your bios and undervolt ur cpu.

[hard crescent]

I'm not that Techy tbh, I heard bios updates can brick your PC sometimes

[red kindle]

You are looking forward to a future of constant issues if you stick with that cpu as it is. It's a ticking time bomb. Intel really screwed the pooch with those.

Even if you undervolt you can still expect issues, unfortunately.

[high inlet]

I had to limit my i9 14900 kf to about 3.5ghz for the system to remain stable and not have constant memory leak crashes while playing dark and darker

[hard crescent]

Noted, can you limit your cpu for one specific game or do i need to change that every time I play any other game

[high inlet]

and it wasnt just dark and darker.. everything was crashing.

[agile ibex]

I really don't like these kill player quests.

[high inlet]

not sure if you can do it specifically... I went into BIOS and tweaked settings until it worked

[red kindle]

Its a pvp game

[agile ibex]

no its not

[hard crescent]

That's unfortunate, it's only DaD for me and every few days once or twice. But it costs me a whole Kit and I'm sick of it

[red kindle]

What is it then

[agile ibex]

pvevp

[high inlet]

is there an error message?

[red kindle]

Is it pvevp or is it pvpve

[high inlet]

evpvp

[hard crescent]

On start up, video memory. But if you open up task manager and inspect DaD, you can end task on the error message and the game works perfect 🤣.... my problem is mid match random crash no text whatsoever. I have to reload in

[agile ibex]

same thing

[red kindle]

PVPve = pvp comes first

[high inlet]

Lol thats funny. surprised that worked. I'd bet the mid match crashes are also memory leak but tough to be sure

[agile ibex]

you are assuming that the E in that dosn't effect the pvp at all though. The monsters and traps are as much, if not more, important than the player interaction. I'd argue that whtout the E there wouldn't be any pvp.

[high inlet]

hence, EVPVP

[high inlet]

does your CPU max out to 100% when the game crashes?

[echo wedge]

what happened to gold key prices i just hopped on

[agile ibex]

This is a great conversation and all but I am a bit busy getting my ass handed to me trying to get this quest done.

[red kindle]

End of wipe announced so everything crashed

[echo wedge]

yea i know that but to 800 gold? thats crazy

[red kindle]

Just hop in LFG and get a team to help you

[agile ibex]

dosn't count if they kill though

[hard crescent]

No

[hard crescent]

Out of 60 games only DaD does this but I do acknowledge what you said about 13/14k gens

[red kindle]

What is it kill 3 players? Surely you can't be struggling that badly. What class are you playing?

[agile ibex]

Warlock

I am hurting myself as much as they are

But I am trying to do this with every class, only managed to succeed with barbarian and bard so far.

[hard crescent]

Use vampirism and curses, curse of pain and power of sacrifice. Manage your output/heals. Maybe build will good and use crystal sword for some high magic dps via melee like me

[red kindle]

Not the most beginner friendly class and I'm assuming you are running squire kits which warlock is pretty bad with tbh. Though it has longsword but if u are new you prob won't know how to use...

Why not stick to 1 class? Just get ur quests done on one guy?

[agile ibex]

I am, power and pain are impossible to land on players.

[hard crescent]

Shields can block it, aim for face or feet. Otherwise practice your accuracy with your mouse. It works man. Play arena for alot of pvp experience. Don't have gear fear. Relax and think

[agile ibex]

I am doing the goblin merchant quests on every class to build up coin bags I only have 4 right now

The last two quests, kill 3 players and kill cyclopse are causing me some difficulty.

[red kindle]

Everything you get is gonna be gone in 15 days, and hell if you need coin bags just buy them. Market is flatlining right now lol.

[agile ibex]

I need the bags to hold the gold man, and dont you keep everything in the shared stash?

[red kindle]

Everything I'm gathering from what you've said thus far you seem extremely new to the game. Just play the game, watch videos, join the LFG and find people to play with. Complaining about everything ain't gonna help.

[earnest loom]

Everything in your stash will be gone when the new wipe starts. Also what’s in the shared stash

[agile ibex]

what is the point of playing at all if everything I worked for is going to get destroyed?

[red kindle]

😂 goodnight everyone

[earnest loom]

When u start out from the beginning of a wipe which lasts about 3 months u want a fresh start. It draws players to the game again which got bored. I’m not playing the game rn but I’m am hyped for a fresh start

[agile ibex]

I'm now feeling really disheartened because I've been working really hard to prep for wipe only to find out that it was for nothing.

I can't afford gear because I don't have the space for the gold.

Feels like I am just at the point of going to start playing in HR only to get yanked back to the beginning.

[earnest loom]

I understand starting to the end of a wipe is a little frustrating but it’s a good thing. You can learn pvp now and when the new wipe starts soy can play hr without being out geared by other players. How much gold do u have and in which form?

[red kindle]

Been working really hard to prep for wipe....

[agile ibex]

I can't hold any more than 5k at the moment, 4k gold max in shared stash and whatever else I can store in the regular stash

[red kindle]

What's the plan for the gold if you don't like pvp? What's the point of HR?

[agile ibex]

This was under the assumption that I could store stuff in my shared stash, which is full up with all the items needed for a lot of the quests that require them.

[agile ibex]

Better gear, more challenging monster fights.

[earnest loom]

Did you buy gold coin pouches? So that means you can buy items worth up to 5k gold each. That’s sth you probably won’t do. Or why do u want to stash more?

[hard crescent]

An extra storage page costs 1500, do your Quests on 1 character and then threw quest items in extra storage page

[red kindle]

More challenging monster fights as in bosses or regular mobs?

[agile ibex]

When I first started I had gold coin purses in each character I had, but I moved them to just one character. I have about... 2/3 of the slots in that one character's inventory with just coin purses.

[agile ibex]

Both? I assumed the bosses got harder in HR too.

I should probably sell all this stuff I have stored away...

[devout spire]

is Felidian Cat Man quest wipe proof? so i will keep the skin even after wipe?

[chrome vault]

how do u report ppl who team up together in solo q?

[devout spire]

leave dungeon and hit R for report. Look bottom of your screen. But dont expect much with wipe in a couple weeks. Game isnt too serious now

[chrome vault]

it's so disgusting. I just want to ap grind but they gang up on me

[devout spire]

well try to join them 😄 crouch spam and hope to not die. You had months to AP grind 😛 your fault to choose now.

[earnest loom]

U will keep every skin and cosmetic

[foggy ermine]

Do you keep the extra stash slot for 1500g on wipe?

[earnest loom]

No

[foggy ermine]

Tu

[bold cradle]

what kind of logic is this 🤣 people teaming? welp skill issue should've got on the gravy train 2 months ago how about a punishment system that actually works lmfao

[earnest loom]

Look at the hr leaderboard rewards. If play until wanderer you will get meds, 500 gold and a coin bag for the start of the new wipe. This is very valuable since coin bags are very rare and expensive at the start

[chrome vault]

i rather 1v1 them to get more ap tho

[devout spire]

yeah that was a bit toxic aye 😄

[chrome vault]

ikr. apparently im getting blamed for being ganged up on

[devout spire]

im just in the same boat and im not complaining 😛

[chrome vault]

cap i bet ur prob someone who also team up with ppl

[devout spire]

no i have friends to play with lol. Rarely play solo

[agile ibex]

I need gold to do HR stuff, I can't afford to loose 10k every time I go into the dungeon.

[chrome vault]

i usually duo with my friend but he went on vacation

now im stuck playing solo and it's nasty

[humble elbow]

🇼 🇭 🇦 🇹 🇹 🇭 🇪 🇬 🇱 🇺 🇪 ⁉️

[solemn wolf]

why is the lich able to double curse? :D

[earnest loom]

Don’t spend so much gold on a kit when you start to play hr

[serene python]

is teaming in norms bannable?

[pure dove]

does will work with demonsglee/staff/voidblade?

[sacred badge]

best perks for Cleric in trio squire lobbies? Trying to get my friends (Bard and a Fighter) into the game but want to be able to teach and support them the best I can.

Suggestions?? 🙏🏻

[pure dove]

overheal/Advanced Healer/Holy Aura/Faithfulness

if u wanna be tankier replace the last one with -2 from all

[sweet coral]

if you bring all knowledge gear you could bring resurrection and heal, reviving your friends instantly helps to keep them from raging lol

[pure dove]

its clutch but sometimes having a spell like Bind, can save ur teammate from dying. lots of roudns you'll have no deaths. but you're right. res is the best feeling ever.

I'm torn when theres no death runs, but its satisfying to hear your homie shout like christmas

[sweet coral]

bind is cool, im a wizard slow enjoyer myself

[pure dove]

bind-PIKAVISTAAAAAAAA

[thorn crown]

does bard and rogue silence prevent druid from wildshape?

[sacred badge]

im brining in over-heal, advanced healer, holy aura, and faithness.

Got 26 knowledge for bless. lesser heal, rez, sanctuary, and holy light 🙂

[restive meteor]

THEY FINALLY DID IT

ARMOR PEN IS ON THE QUARTERSTAFF FINALLY

🫃

🦵 🥚

[umbral hearth]

anyone having issues with the lantern shield counter attack ?

[cinder steppe]

how do i make a PDR rogue thats effective enough to kill in HR 124-224gs lobbys
or is there a better way to go about it in the same gear score bracket

low budget too. i have like 5k right meow

[restive meteor]

Get vigor strength and true damage

[gilded ingot]

What's your problem with it? It's pretty dope.

[umbral hearth]

will not counter attack if you block a goblin or a kobald and sometimes will not work if you do it with an arrow ! not sure if anyone else is having the same issue

[gilded ingot]

That's just a MUCH smaller window, because your impact resistance is high enough you aren't staggered. WHen you're staggered, you can riposte any time during the stagger. When you aren't, you have only a fraction of a second to respond.

Also, protip; if you riposte once, you can switch back to main hand attacks and keep the second riposte in storage. This is useful, since you aren't slowed while riposting with the lantern shield, the same way every other weapon in the game slows you down.

[waxen sky]

just spawned into high roller hell with another player in the same module lol sick love that

[frosty violet]

anyone selling viola? i have 17 sk

[stiff zephyr]

Artifacts still in gk room?
'

[torn mason]

I think if the impact power received is too low, you won’t be able to counter

[tropic field]

If I don't switch from Blacksmith to Steam/Epic before June 30, 2024 am I stuck on Blacksmith and I will just be starting fresh if I purchase on Steam/Epic?

[clear wing]

im getting connection failed returned to lobby error messages? what could be causing that
im queuing perfectly fine

[gray grotto]

why do my hotkey setting get set back each time i restart the game?

anyone else experiencing this?

[inner elbow]

Yes

[near pecan]

we should have a "accept all quests" button

[chilly pike]

you do, quest log from the main tavern screen on the bottom right

[honest zenith]

Wait so you can reposte, poke reposte?

[gilded ingot]

That's right. As long as you don't let the combo stop, in which case you do lose the ability to riposte a second time. My YT channel Lyrebird has extensive footage of me using the warhammer +lanternshield + pavise loadout on my fighter.

[west gulch]

good to know

[elfin coyote]

Is there some kind of interactive map? Having trouble with the "find this room" quests

[whole pollen]

Where does the sword campfire come from?

[rustic dawn]

There are 4 cosmetic quests from the same vendors every season - you just need to do all quests up to the last bracket to unlock them

Tavern Master, Collector, Goblin Merchant and Woodsman but I don't believe Woodsman has a quest this season

[inland harbor]

i hope people stop playing this game

[flint sandal]

havent played in like a solid month or so. Have they revealed the seasonal rewards? also when does season end?

[limber jolt]

So IM understands that he has to increase the TTK in bis kit.

[torn mason]

yes and two weeks

[agile ibex]

how do I report someone I can't spectate?

[rigid pivot]

Like in a chat message?

[cosmic swan]

#in-game-reports

[cosmic swan]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/Crypt-01-N

[agile ibex]

So angry tight now. Was in duos and my teammate stood by and let me get wrecked by a team by myself and they let him walk away unharmed

[gritty iron]

bro just passed the charisma check

[tranquil escarp]

Is magical healing good for second wind? Thanks

[winter tinsel]

No. It’s good for potions tho

Anyone have tips for getting a royal sapphire? Haven’t seen one all wipe and I’ve looted so many piles, got demigod and everything lol

[gritty iron]

buff duration brotha

[winter tinsel]

Yes. Google dark and darker interactive map

[hard rock]

What is buff duration explain please in simple terms

[gritty iron]

stat that increases the duration of buffs by a percentage, u have a buf that last 60s and a buff duration bonus of 50% u get 90s (idk if it has to show 150% or if the 100% is base)

[red kindle]

Build luck, hit piles in hr. Got 3 gems in one raid once, also pulled a gold coin chest in another.

[winter tinsel]

Bah, I gotcha. HR it is

Been avoiding it since finishing AP grind

[red kindle]

I haven't touched hr since I hit demi either. It's dead anyway, what's the point. Hell if I do any HR before wipe it'll be to kill ap farmers on ice lol.

[icy plover]

anyone know what a DB is worth? just got my first artifact kill

[winter tinsel]

That’s what I was doing aha. It’s fun being on the other side of the fence tbh

Well until you run into the absolutely BIS demons glee fighter

[zenith umbra]

Does the amount if inventory tabs I've bought reset when season ends?

[ruby fossil]

yes

[zenith umbra]

What doesn't reset?

[ruby fossil]

fame and cosmetics off the top of my head

[weak kernel]

And names of your char

[zenith umbra]

I see, and from what i've gathered, fame doesnt really do much?

[ruby fossil]

it doesn't do anything it's just a number

[weak kernel]

Nope just shows how much you’ve played that class

[zenith umbra]

Dayom, so it's a complete reset of everything. Thats harsh

[boreal otter]

you can start with a boost if you get a rank in hr

[zenith umbra]

Ooooo, what kinda boost?

[boreal otter]

like a couple coin bags

[zenith umbra]

The normal 50 coin coin bags?

[boreal otter]

no the 1k ones

[zenith umbra]

I see, nice

[hard rock]

@boreal otter hey brotha when is the wipe

[boreal otter]

like 18 dec

[slim tulip]

What are you guys guesses on the Demi-god reward? i think it will be a skin modifier for the skeletons in the ruins/cript/inferno map. what you guys think?

[cosmic swan]

It seems that in the file of the game the description is something like "Name plate" or "Name tag". Dev said in the last Q&A that they wanted to keep secret what it exactly is but that it'll be some sort of new type of cosmectic that should appear next wipe

[hard rock]

What are they adding in the next wipe

[untold iris]

how tf is this a ranked system. you can be any rank, with any gear fighting each other. You can be on your first match of HR fighting somebody in a 100k gold set. imagine you go play CS and you are WOOD 4 and you are against Shroud and he starts the round with an awp. thats not ranked its slaughter. HR is a fucking mess.

[cosmic swan]

Sorcerer, Socketing, Continuous dungeon and probably some other stuff

[hard rock]

What will the sorcerer be like

[cosmic swan]

Not really, HR have 2 gearscore bracket. Than mean that if you stay between 125 and 224 of gear score you won't be in the game of people with full min max legendary gear. Also yes you can be in the same game than people of any rank but if you kill someone with a higher rank you win more AP on the other hand someone with a high rank don't really have any interest in PvP as if he kill people with a lower rank he win very little AP : https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Adventure_Rank#Player_Kill

[inner patio]

hi guys, does gear come back if you die to the void..

[cosmic swan]

Nop, to avoid people jumping to save their gear

[hard rock]

Dilo can you explain sorcerer

[cosmic swan]

I'm not a dev go look at the Q&A on youtube

[hard rock]

I can't I'm at work

[fervent anvil]

Become not at work then

[hard rock]

Not for a few hours

[cosmic swan]

Too bad, also I don't want to help you in any way. 80% of you message here are troll

[hard rock]

How you know

[untold iris]

ranked, but without the ranked part. makes sense. no brackets for the ranks the system is based around, and one gear score bracket that can put timmies on thier first run with the few 💩 purple and blues theyve grabbed against the people in named and all unique sets.

[restive meteor]

I wanna bring juiced kits without the risk of losing any rank

[cosmic swan]

You get to understand that HR is not a ranked mode in the first place, it's not the purpose of HR. They added a Leaderboard but it's a bonus, HR is not meant to be a ranked mode. Also they're here with this system after more than a year of test, we used to have Skill based matchmaking in the past and it was worst than gear score (And again if you want you can stay between 124 and 225)

[restive meteor]

I cant test fun builds without it costing rank

[naive wren]

Give US arena game is empty

[fervent anvil]

Then wait for arena

[cosmic swan]

Because Arena won't be empty? The dev talked about it in the last Q&A, they admitted than even with the week end limitation not that much people was playing arena. It's not the main game mode you all think it is. Arena have a pretty low player count even at the peak player count of the week

[restive meteor]

Having to wait days every week fking sucks. 124 is just way too low for normals

[cosmic swan]

I think 124 is more than enough for normal but I agree that HR reward should be based on the Higher rank reach in the season not the rank you have at the end. That way you can reach demi and then play any way you want and still get the reward

[restive meteor]

Just make goblin caves free entry, nobody seriously farms AP there. I just wanna PvP without AP mattering

1v3 isnt worth it anymore

[inland harbor]

the only hope this game has is nexon winning the case so they cant work on it anymore

[restive meteor]

Let me throw my kit in elevator room without losing AP @sdf

[grizzled meteor]

Make second character for that

[restive meteor]

But I dont have spare slots, I like playing every character

[magic shoal]

How does one go about linking their Blacksmith account to Steam?

[cosmic swan]

Used to have like a "Platform" or "Account" tab on the in game settings

[deep venture]

sell more character slots pls

[restive meteor]

Id buy more slots if I could

[untold iris]

they are adding more and theres enough if you own the game to have one of each

[restive meteor]

Just lost AP bc I couldnt find anyone in goblin caves this sucks

[untold iris]

did you not boss?

[restive meteor]

No, I wanna test my vigor panther build so I want to kill people

[untold iris]

sadge

[jade delta]

rogues, druids and wizards force to play only barb

[fervent anvil]

heh

[restive meteor]

Youre that wizard that tookm my exit huh

[upbeat tinsel]

has there beeen any talk about keeping arena on all week?

[hard rock]

Don't make rude accusations

[restive meteor]

Rude? He's a wizard main and the message conveniently came up as cave was collapsing on me. Would be funny if it was him

[hard rock]

OAKALALALALALALALALALAKALXLXLAOZKALXKZ8AKXL

[storm mountain]

Zzz

[hard rock]

Zzzzzzzz sleeeeeeeeping

[drowsy vault]

I want to have the solo arena and MMR!

[cosmic swan]

Based on what dev said on the last Q&A that's impossible with the actual player base. Need more player to add solo and duo arena

[hard rock]

Does the dev listen to people's Q and As

[topaz mulch]

What time dlc coming?

[dusk tartan]

whad iz tha bezd race

[winter tinsel]

Solo arena would be bad. Solos is rock, paper, scissors

[drowsy vault]

thx

[winter tinsel]

Imagine being a fighter who gets matched against a MS capped warlock. You just lose

[winter tinsel]

Player count seems to spike pretty heavy when arena is open tho

[drowsy vault]

I still believe that we will have balanced classes for solo play

My personal feeling, is that developers have to start working on adding new active skills and perks

[broken current]

what are the optional additional quest rewards worth noting for this season? I know about the Felidian skin through the Goblin quests but what are the others?

[kind lichen]

Sdf this Is ridiculous https://youtu.be/VBRpv5Xvqdw?si=HbgsnzrDDrSjejSJ

[errant niche]

The Collector = mummy dance
Tavern Master = spec campfire, I think it's worth
and no need to complete all the quests stage, some of them may could skip

[broken current]

do you know which vendors?

[cosmic swan]

Yep but even that way. Arena is not that popular, the dev said it themselves

[sleek holly]

the technology just isn't there yet

[drowsy vault]

The idea of Arena was to improve PvP skills, but without MMR and solo play it is pointless at least for me I have been there 3 times and recognized that it is not fun to play with random people

[slate walrus]

arena was better when it was gear score based

[covert lion]

@slate walrus you are insane

[gleaming cedar]

Didn't they already lost it?

[night folio]

It's end of wipe blow your load on a kit brother

[slate walrus]

but by normal arena rules that wouldnt work

[night folio]

I mean it's worse in other way you just get rolled by insane minmaxers

Think I'm not just sprinting at people in my brave hunters and cloak of darkness with perfect rolls

[sly compass]

Will there be an option for just PVE later on?

[cosmic swan]

I'm not sure but I think the dev said no in a Q&A

[sly compass]

Thank you for the response!

[cosmic swan]

[left matrix]

Does loot you give to Express man count for ap

[unkempt lily]

No

[left matrix]

REALLY?

[unkempt lily]

Keep the best stuff on your chara. Expressman is mostly for gear from pvp

[left matrix]

That's crazy I could have been demi by now bruh

[nimble ledge]

End of game event we should allow unique to be played in arena, change my mind

[night folio]

Are you full dumping every run? Also it's not an insane AP diff if you are full looting while time if you dump some to express. As long as you extract with full inventory of gear preferably high rarity

[left matrix]

I've put like countless uniques and legendaries into ezpressman lol, and then I extract from inferno with whatever I can find in inferno so sometimes blues or purples.
I also just found out today gear > bangles and gems, so I've been extracting mostly gems and bangles lmao

[night folio]

Yah it was opposite last wipe.

[snow quiver]

1x1 epic and upwards are still worth most of the time unless you find uniques to fill up the space instead.

[left matrix]

1 by 1?

Like would 2by2 purple helmet be worth more, the same, or less than 4 1by1 purple bracelets

[sly compass]

Why in solos no one ever just wants to go their own way....

[snow quiver]

you can check wiki for how much item achieve each thing gives, like 1x1 epic ruby gives 10 item achieve, and epic helmet gives 12.

[shell flicker]

Yea hopefully it's just for more balancing data or an end of wipe thing and next wipe its found/crafted gear again, bonus points if the mats need to be found yourself too

[sly compass]

Didn't know how lockpicks worked until i tried using the first pair i have ever found....then it went so fast I wasted them...

[cosmic swan]

We've all been there xD

[sly compass]

Will there be an update on Reward tokens actually giving us class related items?

[cosmic swan]

Probably not, reward token are a bonus, just take what it give you

[upbeat notch]

For the open dungeon concept, How does monster and treasure respawn work if at all? Is there a chance that we'd spawn in an empty, already looted dungeon?

[vague narwhal]

why is it always asking me to select a platfrom everytime it restarts?

[left matrix]

Nah the devs thought it out, they've never made a foolish change ever in the history of the game dw

[cosmic swan]

No one really know, nothing have been confirm but the way the Dev talked about it in the last Q&A it look like no respawn at all and yes you can spawn in an empty module with half the time left (So yes it could be good but they're rushing thing and are going to release this the worst way possible)

[left matrix]

It did this for me like while reconnecting to a game, are you reconnecting? It fixes after the game ends and you lose your kit

[vague narwhal]

no it just asks me to select blacksmith everytime i launch the game, im stuck in a loop

[untold raft]

Hey anyone know how to receive items from twitch drop late? I linked my dark and darker account to twitch only yesterday... in twitch it says the drops are thus claimed. But they don't show up in Dark and Darker

[cosmic swan]

Scan and repair your game, Uninstall/reinstall it. If that don't work try #discord-help

[cinder salmon]

Xdd

[untold raft]

Nobody have a clue on this?

[cinder salmon]

Try unlinking and relinking the acc

[untold raft]

Tried that 3 times last night :p

[cosmic swan]

Nop, you can try to open a ticket #discord-help

[steady wadi]

Aye yo we need a real timer for rean i dont even know when its starting

its says it will be in 1 day since yesterday

@zinc sparrow

[cosmic swan]

Probably because it's not based on your time zone

[cinder salmon]

Safe to say you lost them rewards

[steady wadi]

i still cant know when its starting, i need hours not days cuz even if its 54 hours, the game is saying 2 days

[cosmic swan]

When it's actually less than 24h the timer will be in hours

[jade hollow]

Pdr fighter needs to be cap at 50

[steady wadi]

thank you

[steady wadi]

What is this take, every class is stacking pdr now. Mage, bard, barb, cleric, ect... if you take down the pdr of ONLY fighters... its unplayable for them. They already nerfed it too.

[cosmic swan]

I mean he's saying to reduce the cap to 50. But anyway Figther is the only class that can reach 75 pdr. Even 65 is hard to reach for class other the figther

[steady wadi]

and u are saying that pdr fighters needs to be nerfed at max 50% pdr... Its not even a question. Just imagine what a fighter in deongeon and dragon would look like without pdr.. its the point of then class

[jade hollow]

Its just not fun to run into a capp fighter with 180 hp. If im not a wizard or warlock i just have to run the whole game lol

[steady wadi]

that where your'e wrong, i got my barb build in arenas that has 220 hp, 60%pdr and 60 mr... its possible to have that much pdr..

[wicked depot]

anybody knows how to fix this blacksmith selecting thing when you open the game after being crashed?

[steady wadi]

THATS WHY ARMOR PENETRATION EXIST HELLOW ????

[jade hollow]

Armor pen buff when

[steady wadi]

every thing has their counter. If you think about it, pdr is countered by armor pen, magic resistance counter magic spells, ect

[steady wadi]

heck no, its cheaper for you to get 30% armor penetration on a ranger build with longbow than it is to get +9 true phys dmg to ''counter pdr''... IF you get what im saying, there are some stats that looks broken only if u play the wrong way

[sly compass]

I HATE PEOPLE! LET ME LOOT IN PEACE!

[steady wadi]

u just gotta play it smart. stack debuff duration bonus on every pieces, everytime ur taget get hits, hes getting slowed, or stack magic resistance instead of pdr( its cheaper too) and u will no longer care about the warlocks/wiz when ur fighter

thats how you gotta think💯

[cosmic swan]

Read again, 75 only for figther, 65 hard for other class

[steady wadi]

even getting to 75% is hard. U gotta buy plate shoes and stuff its a throw

[maiden tusk]

very nice video， https://b23.tv/3qZ3atG

[glass nexus]

LOL. In a ranged / mag damage state of the game, absolutely not

[red kindle]

👍

[mint nimbus]

Friend wants to connect hes account to steam but he cant get code from blacksmith launcher without choosing that he wants to use blacksmith launcher? Is the account linking same as it was when game came to steam or?

[keen shale]

Can we make it bannable to bring full purple + leg gear in sub 224 GS HR by abusing another player pre teaming gear delivery?

[slate ore]

it is bannable, just report them for teaming and they will be banned

happens allot especially on smaller servers because its easier

[mint nimbus]

How to link account to steam from blacksmith?

[keen shale]

nice then

[hushed folio]

guys i took break from DaD can someone tell me current class state?

[red kindle]

37

[tepid kindle]

Why is the game SO dead? is this just normal for this time of the season? Or is this the most dead the game has ever been recently?

[sly compass]

Can someone tell me how lockpicks work? what do i do when the round thing comes up?

[covert lion]

@sly compass press spacebar

@sly compass if you hit spacebar when the little line lands in the YELLOW you will succeed in the lockpick... with a chance that you have to do the same thing again (2 of the lockpick minigames). if you hit spacebar when the line lands in the RED, the chest will open immediately.

[ocean raptor]

Is anyone else stuck on the platform selection step? I can't start the game.

[sly compass]

Thank you!

[calm sandal]

Just came back to the game, where can I see the different matchmaking gear brackets atm?

Is it norms: <25 / 25-124 / 125+ and HR: 125-225 / 225+?

[dense flax]

did this game die ? i get no pvp action anymore except every few games. almost like lobbies are empty

[vital comet]

Its currently norms: <25 / 25-124 and HR: 125-224 / 225+

[left matrix]

what is te fastest way to level a character? mob kills? does looting count or just opening chests

like do portals count

[restive meteor]

Quests

[left matrix]

what if i uhhh

sold all my quest items a week ago

[woven coyote]

when is the dlc release guys?

[rocky rapids]

Got a legendary Felling Axe, are these good stats?

• +6% Armor Penetration
• +1 Physical Power
• +1.8% Max Health Bonus
• • 1.7% Action Speed

[abstract valve]

Nerf rogue, game is always trash when rogue is strong

[solar sage]

Current solo meta:
Rogue,ranger,barb,rogue,rogue,rogue, ranger,barb,rogue, warlock, ranger,rogue,rogue,barb,rogue, fighter, rogue,ranger,rogue,ranger,ranger,rogue,rogue,rogue,rogue, barb

[solar sage]

I just insta gave up, saw "InFinIte sTeaLth MeTa" insta gave up on the game untill they nerf it

[abstract valve]

Yeah i choose the wrong path so my viola kit get shit on by a landmine rogue, sitting there all game

[solar sage]

Dude what are you doing??? just go rogue

All of a sudden, 90% of demons glee fighters and rangers just suddenly dissapeard, and 5 rogues per lobby appeared, just follow the mass.

[echo plover]

rip this game

[solar sage]

The mass is always,always,always right about the meta.Play whatever is easier and gets you ahead, privilege meta youtubers and instantly buy dozen of their "new build" videos

before they go up in price, and just abbuse the hell out of it untill patch arrives, wait like 2 days for the new meta to develop, do it all again, ive been meta hopping for a year now, made so much more gold than actually playing the game

why would I ever play the game normally?I get infinite BIS out of just clicking whatever the meta orders me to click

[gaunt flax]

It could be better if Rogue can’t recover hide uses while invisible.

[zinc tiger]

game has better perfomance on steam or on blacksmith?

[grave sentinel]

agreed

[digital zodiac]

When is arena coming back?

[desert root]

Goblin caves cyclops or troll

[tepid kindle]

Thursdays at 7pm

[graceful storm]

hope thats a joke and I missed something lol

[jade delta]

theres more players and faaar more skilled in 24> lobbies than in 25-124> lobbies

[scenic wren]

barbarian still has too much ms. Idk who thought it was a good idea to give them a 45ms boost for 6 seconds. literally a better version of sprint, and sprint is still too much

[strange pebble]

thanks to the 125 limit, now every new player will leave because spending 35 usd just to be able to use what you got in normals and cost you so much. It's stupid.

Good thing I got a purple bow, I'm going to use it... YOU CAN'T.

[rotund pawn]

How can you complain about a free game that’s meant to give you a demo experience of the game

[strange pebble]

I have the game purchased since the alpha, my friend. My friends don't, that's the problem of why the game is dying.

[scenic wren]

like really. The entitlement is crazy. The people running the free version of the game probably aren't buying cosmetics either, the company has to have SOME inecentive to buy the game

[rotund pawn]

Have them buy the game I can’t sit here and complain about not being able to play that wukong game because I never bought it

[scenic wren]

if they let you have access to 100% of content for nothing, how do they pay their employees

[strange pebble]

HR was never available for new players.

[scenic wren]

HR is one of the lowest pop queues. The 125 cap was obvously to encourage HR and open up another bracket for 225. Before the change, HR was hardly any kind of incentive to buy the game. The free to play pricing was because they can't just give out tens of thousands of steam keys. It was to help old players with account migration, not to be a fully delivered game for children that refuse to pay half the standard AAA retail price for a game

[valid niche]

yall just need to let this game rip

[cosmic swan]

And you just need to leave if you don't like this game anymore. I love people like you who act like they hate the game but in reality are so obsessed by it

[strange pebble]

Good thing, now only the old players will remain. xD

[valid niche]

I havent played it in weeks lmao. cry harder kid. Your favorite game is sliding down the toilet bowl.

[cosmic swan]

Cool then go play something else, leave the discord xD You'r the one still talking in a discord of a game you haven't played in week, crying because you don't like the way it goes (you'r blocked no need to answer)

[valid niche]

Nah ima stay right here and watch it burn. thx. Not crying at all. Just telling you losers to let go. It's a dead end. Devs killed it. Time to leave your moms basement and touch grass. Majin being so butthurt you have to block someone for spittin facts 🤣

[open oasis]

hey whoever that fighter was who betrayed my trust ur moms a ho

[valid niche]

May that fighter get the clap in his left eye and 3 kidney stones

[willow wolf]

Just had an awesome game with someone named ImGonnaStabMyTeam8s, reposted him after he tried to stab me, killed him and I'm the one that cant play for 600 seconds. Great karma system guys.

[cosmic swan]

Yep it seems to have become a common issues unfortunately. I think IM are aware about it and will probably add a way to report them/ban them for that soon

[willow wolf]

I dont think that if I repost someone within the first 10 seconds of a game I should be the one getting in trouble, it literally means I was attacked.

[cosmic swan]

Yeah hopefully they're making something about that

[wind plaza]

they need to take away that shotgun bs from rangers. no other class has a close-range one-tap. corny

[scenic wren]

cuz barbs, fighters and druid TOTALLY don't have a close range one tap

[scarlet agate]

Why is the leaderboard say it end in 6 day? wasnt in 18 day?

[river jetty]

leaderboard =/ wipe

[reef monolith]

Anyone had an issue with 'Select Platform' upon logging into the game it prompts me to select a platform. Once I select it says the game will now close and to log in using the option I selected. When I do this it just prompts me with the same thing over and over.

[woven island]

Same

[reef monolith]

U found out anything?

[woven island]

Nope. Shits broken but I'm bored til wipe so I gave up cause didn't care that much

[reef monolith]

[silver gorge]

how to have more spell casting for a singel spell so i dont run out in 3 spells casted and have to rest to get them back

[wind plaza]

not while they have a ranged weapon out. rangers a ranged class with a one-tap close range attack.

[runic mortar]

when are they gona anounce rewards for arena rank

[frozen elk]

i dont think there are any since it was experimental, maybe next season lol

[solar sage]

Rn solos is rogue and roguer

A deadly hide and seek, just like the first season fr

[woven island]

You cannot.

More knowledge increases spell cast speed and spell recovery rate

[umbral blaze]

Honestly after the shit ton of rogue nerfs and then silence about the class for a good number of patches i think people are just happy to play rogue again, it should blow over soon enough

[solar sage]

The thing is right, when rogue is having fun, no one else is

Its the same with ranger.Those 2 class cannot EVER be powerfull in solo's.
Because if they are, they have little to 0 counter-build

[umbral blaze]

thing is, rogue is just punishing, you have to learn to counter him or die

[solar sage]

Look homie, I went throught the rogue TRENCHES, been playin since playtest 4, and its undeniable,when rogue is strong, nobody else has fun.

[fast heart]

is anyone willing to help me with the lich for a quest?

[solar sage]

Because rogue isnt "punishing", its a "gotcha!" class, ofc someone could argue "yes you should always wait after opening evvery door, always listen full sound for rogue steps, always have flamewalk up" yada yada, but the truth is, no one wants to play in a game where only the rogues are having a blast

The class is inevitably going to get dumpstered again next patch, and I could not be more happy about it, because if we go throught another rogue meta this game might as well be dead.We already went throught the "barb,rogue,wiz op" cycle, and I truely dont wanna go throught that again

[brave storm]

anyone know what the rucksack check is?

[solar sage]

Rest emote

[brave storm]

what abt the undead vanguard is that a lobby skin?

[grave sentinel]

why did we think it was a good idea to buff rogue or barbarian???????

[fast heart]

anyone willing to help me with the lich for a quest?

[umbral blaze]

it is punishing, if you dont listen for footsteps you will be at a disadvantage even if this game didnt have rogue, its a dungeon, you naturally need to be careful in one, the entire class is built on the hope of one skill, you need to listen and look around, situational awareness is how you beat rogue

[solar sage]

"you walked into a door and happened to step on a landmine, you where aware that landmines where a thing, so you exploding was your fault" goofy ahh logic

[umbral blaze]

you are walking in the wilderness and dont watch where you step, oh no you stepped on a landmine and exploded, thanks to my lack of awareness i blame the landmine for me stepping on it

if you're in a place where landmines can be, why not watch out for them?

[solar sage]

false buzzer
1)I dont blame anyone because well I stepped on a completely random landmine and am currently diseased
2)If I could blame someone, id blame the person who placed it, aka the devs

[solar sage]

The thing is right, dark and darker has a diverse caste of classes, and it can be unfair to loose just because you didnt adress the specific playstyle of one class that dosent apply to any other.

[near jackal]

is it just me or banshee spirits are complete rng and totally suck

[umbral blaze]

theres nothing stopping a class from sitting in a dark corner and killing you the minute you come near

[umbral blaze]

also every playstyle is specific, what is your point here?

[drowsy bane]

Anyone want to duo above 240

[solar sage]

The thing is:Rogue DOSENt have to stand in corners, so it makes every,single, step a risk.Just because 1 class got overly buffed

[umbral blaze]

you do realise you can hear them move right? also there is a thing called invis pots that if you have 15 knowledge you can use

[stark fog]

one day rogue will have more than gimmicks skills like landmine invis... one day... we will have skill subtlety combos.. and fatewalker rng...

[solar sage]

Imo rogues should have cooler abilities

And have their landmine stuff removed.

Give em like a dash attack or asassination strike or something

[stark fog]

i think most of the classes should have way cooler abilities but we're stuck with fucking SPRINT and SECOND WIND

[cosmic swan]

You mean something like this https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons (Some comment have good idea too)

I would love to see a Poison master Rogue with different poison that inflict all sort of debuff to help your team killing people

[solemn sigil]

any wordd on what the end of wipe event will be?

[cosmic swan]

Yeah they talked about it in the Q&A. At first they didn't planned to do anything this time but Onepeg suggested something like letting people buy Named weapon from the merchant for like 1 gold but only on the last day before wipe

[low iron]

In HR does gear you equip from the match count as points or is it just items in the inventory grid? Thanks

[umbral blaze]

Get rid of hide and make all their clothes black with natural built in creep

[stark fog]

goblin birth rate increase campaign

[umbral blaze]

I would love to see random events like, “increased goblin birth rate there is now 50% more goblins.”

“A curse at ruins is raising undead, watch out for already defeated undead getting up.”

[viral loom]

how do people get 500 ap in duos? ive done treasure priority, ive done gear priority, I kill everything and target ports and sub bosses? whats ur strategy

[solar sage]

That would require effort.Lets just use multiclassing again!

[umbral blaze]

Yea, thats why i think they won’t give us poison master because its too much work, when in reality it would be insanely easy

[remote dirge]

when there gonna be gyat?

[umbral blaze]

Never

[spark hedge]

Playing melee class vs wizard and warlock, its a fking nightmare. Soo disgusting playstyle soo hard to engage this disgusting classes. Boring gameplay and soo coward playstyle.

[signal ibex]

Unless you're a solo cleric, bring some ranged lol

[spark hedge]

Yeah, is soo usefull damage warlock with they have infinite healing

If u not get oneshot is useless

[dense flax]

so squire is now shared? but quest to unlock squire arent>

[clear wing]

remove the creep perk, increase volume of footsteps not just for rogue but for all classes, perhaps instead of creep give rogue an awareness perk that can hear people across entire modules so they can avoid/plan around instead of just waltzing up to them while near silent and fully invisible, committing your entire time to listening to footsteps is not a good mechanic in any game

[solar sage]

Ranger already has a perk that does that

[upbeat notch]

but if you catch them, they die.

[crude berry]

the amount of rogues makes me not want to play the game lmfao

[compact willow]

when are they going to fix up wyverns phases and getting behind the crystals, twice in a row ive been behind them and getting moved. I used to do it no problem on release now its been changed it feels like its 50/50

[upbeat notch]

Why are people complaining about rogues again? If the rogues aren't fun to play the rest doesn't matter.

[distant comet]

man, once you hit exemplar 3 it is such a bummer to grind to demi, so boring; dont think that dumb nameplate or w/e is worth it; already got the good stuff

[neon star]

Hey guys could I get a pic of season rewards, wondering if I should reinstall

[urban needle]

Here’s a revised version with limited emojis:

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Why Dark and Darker Needs Fish and Fishing Rods

Hey everyone! I wanted to share an idea that could add some exciting new layers to Dark and Darker — Fish and Fishing Rods! Here's why this would be a great addition to the game:

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Immersion and Worldbuilding
Imagine exploring a dungeon with underground lakes or rivers teeming with life. Fishing could make these areas feel more dynamic and alive.
Atmosphere: Adding aquatic creatures would enhance the visual and thematic depth of the game.
Lore: Rare fish could be tied to in-game legends or serve unique purposes in quests and storytelling.

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New Gameplay Mechanics
Fishing could add a layer of strategy and choice to the gameplay.
Risk vs. Reward: Fishing in dangerous areas leaves you exposed, but the potential rewards make it worth the risk.
Consumables and Buffs: Fish could provide health restoration, temporary stat boosts, or crafting materials.
Interactive Mini-Game: Fishing could involve timing or skill to succeed, making it more engaging.

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Fishing Rods as Weapons
In the spirit of Dark and Darker, why not make fishing rods dual-purpose?
Weapon Option: A rod could function as a versatile melee weapon with unique reach or utility.
Tactical Utility: Use it to snag distant loot or even pull enemies toward you.

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Economy and Progression
Fishing could also tie into the game’s economy and crafting systems:
Rare and Valuable Catches: Trade rare fish for gold or gear upgrades.
Crafting Potential: Use fish scales, bones, or oils in crafting recipes for potions, gear enhancements, or cosmetics.

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Bonus Ideas
Here are a few creative touches that could make this feature even more exciting:
Legendary Fish: Include ultra-rare catches that grant unique loot or abilities.
Fishing Perks: Allow certain classes or builds to specialize in fishing for better results.
Hidden Challenges: Fishing could occasionally trigger hidden events or awaken underwater monsters.

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What Do You Think?
Would you like to see fishing added to Dark and Darker? Let’s get the conversation started and see if we can make this idea a reality!

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This version keeps things concise and clean while making a strong case for fishing in Dark and Darker.

[plush quarry]

remove hide from the game give rogue somthing eles

[errant moat]

dead game

[agile ibex]

Is there any way to get trap disarm kits other than looting them?

[glass nexus]

Craft

[agile ibex]

Thanks

[green merlin]

Is it not possible to link account to steam?

[urban needle]

💀OH, "DEAD GAME," HUH? YOU MEAN DEAD LIKE YOUR CHANCES AGAINST THE GOBLIN CLASS?? 🧙‍♂️ OR DEAD LIKE YOU WITHOUT THE BLESSINGS OF FISH NECROMANCY? 🐟⚰️

IF THIS GAME IS DEAD, THEN MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU QUIT AFTER GETTING SMACKED AROUND LIKE A BEACHED SALMON. 🐠💔 FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS. BUT DON’T WORRY—THE @nocturne nova WILL ALWAYS ACCEPT QUITTERS. JUST BRING A TROUT OFFERING AND MAYBE WE’LL FORGIVE YOU. 🎣😏

IF THE GAME'S DEAD, YOU SHOULD BE TOO. GET BACK IN THE LOBBY OR GET BACK TO THE WATER. 🦑

[cosmic swan]

It was, then they removed it, then they added it again but I think for a limited time a few day ago and it might end today

[weary rover]

how do I do the special 1,2 counter with the long sword?

[cosmic swan]

Click on your "blocking" button again as soon as you'r blade get hit

[weary rover]

thank you so much

[urban needle]

don't even need to do it right when it hits, you can just hold right click, block the hit the click right click again

OH SHIT I MISUNDERSTOOD. BACK TO FISH

[agile ibex]

why can't I craft more than one thing before it disappears from the services tab?

[cosmic swan]

Depend of what hit you'r blade. The time you have to parry is shorter if the weapon that hit your blade is small, for a dagger for exemple you'll have to react cery fast

[cosmic swan]

Merchant stock and craft refresh every 30 min. You can go on another character to craft the same item if you don't want to wait

[coarse garden]

Hey guys, when is the DLC going to drop? I've been waiting since midnight and can't wait to throw my money at it!

[agile ibex]

Only blacksmith crafts what I need...

This is vary vary inconvenient.

[cosmic swan]

Should be today, probably based on east asia time zone. Wait for an #📢announcements

[cosmic swan]

It's made on purpose so you can't spam crafting too much

[agile ibex]

If that's the case then why make a quest requireing crafted items to complete?

[coarse garden]

Thanks, bro!

[agile ibex]

Unless there is another way to "interact" with floor spikes I don't know of it will take 2 hours to do this quest, assuming someone dosn't kill me, costing me another 30 minutes and an iron ingot.

[cosmic swan]

Because you have like 3 month to do quest? Doesn't matter if you need to wait a few minutes between crafting. Which quest are you talking about? The Trap disarming kit? You can also buy some in the market place

[agile ibex]

Hmm... I should have thought of that.

[cosmic swan]

Quest are made to be done on the long run not cleared in two game. You can optimize thing but your not supposed to rush things too much

[agile ibex]

But I want my lightfoot boots to be common...

[cosmic swan]

Anyway the wipe is in less than 2 week now. Learn from this and next season when you'll drop trap disarming kit keep them for the quest (most quest stay the same each season).

[agile ibex]

I'll be doing quests as rogue once wipe happens so I can disarm/lockpick without worry.

[viscid remnant]

What dlc?

[cosmic swan]

A DLC that allow people to buy the Legendary status (the full game) on Steam and probably that give access to test server to Steam player

[viscid remnant]

Ohhh okay that makes sense appreciate it

[cosmic swan]

Nothing crazy. They don't plan to add $$ Content DLC

[cosmic swan]

[flat juniper]

They didn't plan on adding solo mode or gearscore or auction house either

[supple pike]

Can anyone recommend a good beginner guide / tutorial YouTube series?

[swift zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ057HvWkZc Great game design

[strong mortar]

why am i getting trolls / griefers all of a sudden in hr

[spark grove]

can someone tell me if this is a good shortsword it looked good and i found it off a juicer

physical dmg bonus
physical pwoer
armour pen
debuff bonus

[delicate nest]

can someone tell me why arena isnt permanent

[open hound]

Looks decent, no weapom damage which is the best buff, but nobody uses shortsword anyways

[ivory wind]

Fart emote is the worst addition to the game, no gaming that ive experienced. Why encourage BMing in a game where an afk Invis player with low skill can gank you from Invis with little to no response. It violates the rules of the discord, and is a really crappy thing to add to a game.

[sleek zenith]

The buff has gotten where rouges can use it effectively high dps and all

[open hound]

Oh never knew, ty for letting me know!😁

[unkempt karma]

If only one of your team members can play High Roller, can you play High Roller with the rest of your team?

[short sparrow]

No

[cerulean ridge]

chat gpt ahh

[ivory fractal]

wtf happened to golden key prices

[gentle quail]

which server has overall better or more pvp focused players, US West or East?

[topaz mulch]

What time dlc released?

[gaunt blade]

west

[swift zealot]

Gob spawn NE corner you die to a spider within 10 seconds of match starting if you are afk can we fix this

[lament jacinth]

Don't be afk

[jade delta]

does any other class besides rogues, barbs and druids exist anymore??? just these 3 canncer overpowered classes oneshotting everyone without any counterplay.
im so fucking bored of being forced to play only barb to not shit bricks while walking around and have chance to fight back

[stiff horizon]

Hi new player here, how many players spawn in for a solo dungeon, same question for duos and trios?

[swift zealot]

seen up to 8 teams in either bracket

[stiff horizon]

tyvm

[night folio]

Short swords are strong post buff. Just peep the market for them. Their price has went 10x this week

[open hound]

Uh yeah? I see plenty of rangers, clerics, wizards, locks n the bunch o.o

[jade delta]

i only see rogues, druids and barbs. lost so many kits to rogues just hiding behind doors, druids doing uncounterrable bs with panther bear, and barbs third partying with 330 ms

[dense heron]

Alright yall

How do you guys feel about the rondelious dingleberry

[open hound]

And what is it you play?

[jade delta]

barb now, but i want to play melee warlock, slayer fighter and sum else

[dense heron]

Melee warlock always sucks major ass cheese

[jade delta]

cap, its strongest build in the game

[dense heron]

What? you talking about dark offering?

Its cool it just requires a 50k kit with perfect rolls on everything to work right

[agile ibex]

How is dark offering "melee warlock"?

[jade delta]

cap, u need like 5k for perfect dark offering kit

[dense heron]

Maybe before a certain youtuber showed people and they overpriced the living shit out of biss dark cuirass's and crystal sword fighters over forced it to cost a ton too

[jade delta]

no youtuber has done correct builds

[dense heron]

Ahh you're trolling my bad brother have a good day

[jade delta]

ofc a noob wont understand shit

[dense heron]

Lmao hope you have fun in the dungeon brotha

[jade delta]

keep crying buddy

[toxic widget]

Should I run fighter barb or warlock barb in duos

[dense heron]

What're you tryna do?

[jade delta]

both good, diff play styles

[fervent knoll]

i ust got banned 3 days for abnormal detection : i was farming ap by killing tones of elite spiders with a bardiche in hell

[gentle quail]

spiders give ap?? since when?

[cursive wagon]

3 day Ban is generally first time offence for teaming

[surreal aspen]

should have came up with better excuse for cheating than a lie

[hard rock]

What does abnormal detection mean

[chrome vault]

is crypts or ice cavern better for ap grinding?

[gritty iron]

ice cavern less competion more mini bosses

[molten flame]

What are the best classes for solo? Or the most fun

[clear marten]

Had someone get banned a few days ago for the same thing lol, killing a bunch of spiders in hell. But his was permanent

[gusty raft]

warlock

[grizzled meteor]

Best: fighter druid rogue. Most fun depends on you

[cosmic swan]

The one you actually have fun to play, based on the build most class can be very good in solo

[solar sage]

Hold on...Those give ap?

[cosmic swan]

Absolutely not, Pot spider don't give either AP or XP

[pallid spade]

What does the dlc include? Skins and emotes?

[cosmic swan]

Nothing like that, the only purpose of this DLC is to give to possibility to Steam player to upgrade to Legendary edition directly through Steam. No content/cosmetic DLC is planned

[pallid spade]

So they are releasing dlc to make a discount, thanks for the info.

[cosmic swan]

And propably to open the test server to Steam player too (Hopefully)

[chrome sun]

So yknow that area in Ruins with the 2 metal grates on the ground? How do I get down there? Onetime when my teammate was fighting skeletons a door in the wall just opened up for him but I can't find any pressure plates or levers around

[clear marten]

No

[cosmic swan]

Well there is a pressure plate around the wall that open in the middle of the room. 3 different spot, either right in front of the wall behin the pot and crate or to the right or left of the wall. Shouldn't be that hard to find. When you'r looking North the wall that open is to your right

[chrome sun]

Thanks!

[cinder steppe]

what do you guys think about the 124's bracket in HR?

[cosmic swan]

I think it's a nice and more affordable bracket for people who don't want or can't invest too much time in HR

[limber cairn]

124 is the low roller bis. 224 is the high roller bracket

[hazy falcon]

DLC update is that new content ?

[sage moat]

I think their just selling legendary 30% off

[chrome sun]

a dlc is not an update, a dlc might ship alongside an update but a DLC is downloadable content.

Legendary mode is paying for full access to the game

[ocean eagle]

dlc will be used to obtain legendaryedition. it will be a steam item that is on the store page. they are saying dlc for some reason

[chrome sun]

Yall coping with having to pay for full access for a game by calling it a DLC ongod

[hasty merlin]

Why you so salty tho?

[sage moat]

[chrome sun]

I'm sorry I came off as salty, didn't mean to stress u out or give u anxiety or anything

[hasty merlin]

Not sure why your salt level would stress me out..? But you're good.

[gusty sierra]

What is the demigod undead vanguard reward?

[chrome sun]

Well there was no "salt level" coming from me so it was ur own perception which must've been caused by some sort of stress to have you misperceive so badly, so I apologize for causing it. You must not even realize ur stressed

[hasty merlin]

Yeah i'm not reading all that. Good job or i'm sorry for you.

[chrome sun]

💀 bros literally a kindergartener can barely read 2 sentences

have a good one m8

[hasty merlin]

Call me what you will, but at least i'm honest mr salty 😘

[chrome sun]

Ur an honest mr salty? At least ur recognizing where the salts coming from now, one step at a time

[hasty merlin]

I love it. You're fun, Pneuma.

[chrome sun]

Good, you should enjoy progress. Recognizing where the problems coming from is the first big step, but you should work on the rest yourself. Cant rely on ppl on discord to correct your own mentality

[hasty merlin]

Bro you've gotta stop. I'm dying from laughing over here

Waiting patiently for the witty retort...

[chrome sun]

Laughing is good to help with your stress but overdoing it can look like ur crazy, so

[gusty sierra]

You two should take your lovers quarrel to the general chat, thank you

[chrome sun]

Make me 😎

[hasty merlin]

Oof. I'm gonna just shush. Y'all have a good day.

[chrome sun]

have a good one!

[warped lintel]

Thank the gods

[faint dust]

Hi, if I have 2 daggers with add weapon damage, phys power and phys damage %, does all stats count? Or none? Or only some?

[storm mountain]

All

[faint dust]

<3

[rain cliff]

Go back to work

[warped lintel]

Im unemployed

[fervent lantern]

Fixed an issue where regular statues and monsters could be distinguished by their long-range hit sounds.

that sounds like a stupid fix, you want things to be distinguishable

[rugged totem]

What is the easiest class with which to fight AI (not necessarily players) to farm AP? Pls @ me if you have an answer

[fervent lantern]

@rugged totem literally any character, just depends on if your shit at the game or not, in that case, just gotta get better

[stoic jewel]

THEY BUFFED FKING DRUIDS AGAIN ???

[radiant fog]

Haven’t been on since my fall quarter started, finally on winter break, what did I miss, is this game still poppin off?

[neon venture]

I'm not stupid enough to put another enhancement in the druid.

[rugged totem]

I am new. I've watched a lot of videos on how to farm AI. Just curious what the easiest class is (for fighting AI)

[eternal salmon]

Warlock

[main raven]

Warlock has infinite sustain, but Bard is truly a menace to all AI enemies

[fervent lantern]

fighter probably, barb not really because they run the risk of getting hit too much and are slow to clear rooms

[last spoke]

6 hours for what?

[humble oasis]

Guys where are steam dlc? My friend wanna buy the game but he can't find it

[slow rune]

That ping pong of nerfs and buffs. they are wasting so much time going back and forth between these patches. Also who cares about some visual bug to do with the expressman is he not getting removed next wipe which is in a couple weeks? Why are we wasting time on this.

[humble zephyr]

These changes

[jagged dew]

Please buff druid again ESPECIALLY panther i love being 1v1d and losing in a full bis plate set

[zenith arch]

WHAT IS BRO COOKING?

[humble zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/odablock-osrs-necksnap-oda-runescape-gif-23163670

[mellow jasper]

Why did they buff druid again? It's pretty much a better cutthroat now, that's only a part of a spell wheel instead of a whole ability slot..m

[humble oasis]

Devs have no clue about their our game

[latent aspen]

The barb buff as well 😭

[bitter tree]

Man this druid class is getting quite op I think

[mellow jasper]

Druid panther form has been pretty oppressive for spellcasters for a while now. I think it would make more sense to give panther a smaller version of rupture. It would be a lot better to play around

[grave geode]

honestly tho, I completely stopped taking rage because of how awful the pdr penalty was. Definitely think they shouldve nerfed something else to compensate but I like it

[wooden gulch]

what are those balance change lmaooo

[mellow jasper]

The pdr penalty is hardly noticable. Especially because it bumps your hp an equivalent amount, and HP is better than pdr, because HP beats out true damage

[jagged dew]

If they remove instant swap itd be a balanced change imo but with chicken jump and the ability to instant rat away once you get ur panther burst dmg in is just not fun to fight

[topaz mulch]

more barb and barber again

[mellow jasper]

Yeah, the instant transform is the entire issue with druid tbh. If they change it, it would actually be a balanced class. Who'd have thought that the perk with a 100% pick rate might be an issue

[left matrix]

If the enemy team has a cleric, and I am BoC warlock, do I use my BoC on the cleric or the person he is healing? Like does the BoC anti heal work on healing received or healing given

[mellow jasper]

The one being healed should be your target. It reduces received healing

[hexed shell]

that's not balanced at all. if they remove instant shapeshift they need to gigabuff the class imo. right now its their biggest strength removing it would be crazy

[bitter citrus]

it just needs a cooldown. even if just like 5 seconds

[marble harbor]

what are arena rewards?

[proper yacht]

ive been out of the loop, can you bring whatever into arena and keep it or is it still only the minted gear?

[cosmic swan]

No arena reward this season. It's the first/test arena season

[jagged dew]

Then gigabuff the class instant shift shouldnt be the only thing that makes the class good especially with how unfun it is to fight. It being removed would open up druid to being played, buffed, and balanced like it should be

[blissful stirrup]

Can bring whatever

[drifting hinge]

What makes this patch so much that is need 6 hours downtime

[gilded lagoon]

i imagine most people were expecting heavy barb cleric,wiz,panther nerfs, and this is what we get, the level of incompetence is almost impressive feels like were part of a social experiment and not a alpha

[proper yacht]

thank you 🙂

[hexed shell]

I think its more fun to fight than a ranger, rogue or warlock but maybe thats just me.. 😅

[grave geode]

would assume the dlc changes but who knows

[dusk grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[frosty grail]

1 second silence time on neckbite? What the hell are we cooking here, Ironmace?

[drifting hinge]

Why would they nerf that, 24 health to cast a dang Hydra

Costing you 12 health to cast a shield that saves you 24 health IF getting hit

[jagged dew]

Well theres kiting and aim and ranged class mechanics that interact with melee classes that have to close the distance then theres chicken jumping to instantly close any distance while having the ability to instant kill any caster while completing suppressing them and being almost unkillable to precise weapons aka 90% of the game. All while being able to self heal making their instant gap close and exit that much more oppressive

[dusk grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vivid stratus]

Why are they buffing Druid. Druid is game breakingly powerful rn, and they are buffing?

[wide lichen]

Hi everyone I have a question, for those who bought the game when it was paid, they will not have to buy the DLC ?

[drifting hinge]

But you are the clwn, even without

[slate walrus]

its just a new way to buy legendary status

[wide lichen]

oh thy !!

[frail dome]

DLC is the legendary edition

[hexed shell]

a lot of this is true but at least druid always has to go melee to kill you and everytime he uses one of the shapeshifts he puts himself at risk of getting onetapped. granted I think they overbuffed panther I don't think bear druid is all that oppressive but panther especially with this new patch seems problematic. maybe they should introduce more damage over time effects to classes or make consumables that apply poison or something? because thats be best counter for shapeshifting right now

[strong coyote]

what stats does the zombie skin give?

[slow rune]

They need to give us a merchant that can sell us explosive bottles on the cheap they are the best druid slayers. But lets be real here it doesn't look like these devs give a fuck this late into the wipe.
Dunno why they are constantly trying to tweak everything constantly in alpha stage. BUILD THE GAME BRO..

[blissful stirrup]

We don't know yet but it might be the same as the frost Walker +3 max health -1.5% action speed

[fervent wigeon]

Havent really been playing muich as we near end of wipe.. but wow. 6 hour update from 10AM to 4 PM seems wild

[junior copper]

Why patch the game when wipe is five days away ?

[eternal salmon]

5 days? its more ?

[fervent wigeon]

Oh you sweet summer child. Wipe isn't until the 18th

[blissful stirrup]

It was brought up during the qna stream and they didn't seem very aware of it unfortunately

[junior copper]

Oh you dont get that most people consider the leaderboard as wipe consdiering its basically the only reward in the game hahaha

Dark and darker lacks content lmfao the leaderbored is dark and darker

[heady timber]

Rogue has only gotten debuffs since summer 💀

[fervent wigeon]

It's not a lack of comprehension. They are just 2 entirely seperate things my friend. One is end of leaderboards (Which many people will step away once this happens) and the other is Season wipe which this season occurs on the 18th of December.

[lone otter]

Barbarian's Rage physical damage reduction penalty changed from -25% → -15%.
friggen finally that skills murdered since 69

[fervent wigeon]

I anticipate we see quite a flux of content with new wipe/season. Unless they just plan on flattening out the gear again with new wipe.

[junior copper]

Again leaderboard is the reward after that leaves the reward of playing this game is gone see you till wipe lmfao

[fervent wigeon]

Bye, have a beautiful day! 🙂

[junior copper]

you must pull eggplant out of your throat often LUL

[obsidian mason]

and yet theyre still strong, ill never understand why rogue mains complain "We got a nerf we got a nerf" when over 50% of the player base is playing rogue due to it being such a strong class, movement speed and poison weapon with a landmine capability.......your class can still 2 shot most players

[wise rune]

I love D and D but why do they buff again the druid ?

[fervent wigeon]

They are preparing for the Baldurs Gate 3 crossover.

[hollow stump]

2 shot lmao

[fervent wigeon]

Double backstab ambush with Rupt/Weakpoint and Dag mastery could kinda do that... in theory

[glad orchid]

LET PEOPLE PICK POCKET IN ARENA AGAIN

[grave geode]

[glad orchid]

stealing all of a rangers arrow is a valid strat and i will die on this hill

[heady timber]

"2 shot" sure jan

[fervent wigeon]

Nah that was a cancer idea and an oversight to be allowed in the first place. The idea of Arena was purely PvP combat focused and intention on gear security. Pickpocket rogues would break that feeling in a few ways, such as:

1. Rogue's pickpocketing are not rogues actively putting their main focus on winning PvP engagements.
2. People not being able to try fun random things in arena that involve any extra gear in inventory.
3. See #1 again because it's toxic af solo queing and going for ranks only to get a duo pickpocket rogue squad as your fill. Like oh... GG me.

[heady timber]

That's genius omg

[devout lily]

6 hr downtime to make the game worse POGGERS

[hard rock]

Buffing druid is absolutely insane

[jade delta]

why tf are they buffing barb?

[jagged dew]

I think the volatility of the classes nature of the issue gambling your life completely by turning into something small and hoping they dont hit you isnt skilled or rewarding for both sides. Additionally I think more damage over time effects would make druid encounters more complicated but i dont think it should be flat dmg like how curse of pain one shots rats now. %dmg based on the animal would promote playing the specified animals playstyle even more bears as resistant tanks and rats being able to escape without having to worry about being hit by a curse in a larger form

[hard rock]

Barb needed buffs please quiet down there in the back

[jade delta]

needed buffs? i put on random bs from stash and havent died once in 3 days as barb, just walking around wiping lobbies

[spiral canyon]

6 damn hours bro jfc

buffing barb too man and even with hide cooldown nerf rogue will still conquer with 2 counts of hide at once.. sdf is burning it again. so much for christmas dinner

[devout lily]

CAN SOMEONE TELL THESE MONKEYS THAT THEY CAN UPDATE THEIR GAME WITHOUT TAKING IT OFFLINE FOR A 1/4 OF A DAY

[jade delta]

last time it was 9 hours

[hard rock]

That's cool I wasn't asking. Please don't message me again thank you

[jade delta]

get lost, u messaged first

[fervent wigeon]

Imagine posting on a general chat and getting mad when someone responds

[hard rock]

I can't get lost if I have a map

[hard rock]

That's cool your blocked people in this chat are crazy lol

[fervent wigeon]

Thank goodness. Would hate to accidentally end up in a lobby with ya. You seem like a soft one.

[patent briar]

@hard rock in gen chat by yourself at this rate lol

[tender karma]

DELETE ARENA FOCUS ON THE FUCKING SHIT GAME

[blissful stirrup]

Needed it for trios and arenas, though it is very strong in solo so it's still strange

[hard rock]

Yup your blocked too

[distant fiber]

Block all

[jade delta]

you're

[hard rock]

Anyone who insults or disagrees with me gets blocked instantly

[hard rock]

Blocked.

[jagged dew]

Noo arenas gives so much good data. maybe they will crack down on wizard being the most oppressive class in the game without needing to even hit spells! Also cthuluz is having a tantrum in here

[tender karma]

This whole arena trash shit and getting gear back is so fucking trash and the whole drop rates of stuff is so fucking trash game is so bad

[glossy pivot]

where can i find loot tables for the artifact spawn in the gold key room?

[jagged dew]

Wiki and its 0%

[devout bolt]

Wait during maintenance i can't update the game also from the black smith launcher?

[hard rock]

You don't need the artifact though

[spiral canyon]

block me daddy

[gusty sierra]

What exactly is the demigod undead vanguard reward?

[glossy pivot]

wym?

[blissful stirrup]

I think the general consensus at the moment is some sort of nameplate or title for an incoming profile update or something

[grim oxide]

Not worth my free time is exactly what that reward is

[hard rock]

What is worth your time then?

[grim oxide]

Typing in general chat

[tender karma]

Delete arena, bard,warlock, druid. Getting gear back drops rates etc go back to season 1. Game is trashhh

[grave geode]

no u

[tender karma]

100k people in the dungeons to 7k 💀

[jagged dew]

They need to separate arenas from the game it has thoroughly ruined the economy which is 60% of the whole games experience

[bitter tangle]

yes

[rapid lava]

Wow seriously buffing druid

[grim oxide]

With the lack of content, arena is the only thing that’s fun to me

[jagged dew]

I know right i just mean make it less based on the dungeon economy because it has dramatically inflated craftable prices and lowered non minted gear prices making finding good gear feel worthless while encouraging mindless farming

[tender karma]

Shit has turned into cod respawn its so trash lol..

[spiral canyon]

you make no sense dude.

[grim oxide]

Yeah I agree, In my opinion it was such a stupid decision to make it so you can buy gear and bring it into arena, craftable and self found gear only was a better system. I was also so sad that after all this time crafting a good arena set, it randomly got made obsolete in a patch

[woeful plume]

He's just trying to see how many times he can call the game trash in 5 minutes.

[knotty ravine]

is server down

[tender karma]

How do I make no sense. You spawn in you die you get your stuff back you go again? Call of duty respawn it takes no skill

[grave geode]

yes, servers will be down for approximately 5 more hours. Check #📢announcements

[knotty ravine]

wdym u get your stuff back?

[atomic condor]

i am all for giving druid some love, and i like giving the silence duration a boost, but as someone who plays a good bit of druid, i really don't think panther needed the damage, that was the wrong buff

[knotty ravine]

thanks

[spare arrow]

If only there was a system where you could add your own mods to the stuff... coming out in two weeks... which solves this entire problem in an EA game. WOW

[knotty ravine]

I thought this game is like tarkov where you risk all the items and trade them

[jagged dew]

Well slow down there buster brown im saying only allowing self minted gear and crafted was bad for the economy i think the unminted change has drastically improved dungeon gear value to where it should be. i think arenas allowing you to never lose gear has brought the economy to almost a standstill people dont go get gear dont fight for gear and dont farm for craftables once they have arenas gear

[glossy pivot]

125 gear score is hardly enough to make a difference now that green items are just as good as white. also blue items are more expensive than purple because they dont increase gear score. please fix the gear score system and cut down on how many queues we have

[atomic condor]

i would like to see the SSF return to arena, with the exception that minting becomes account wide and not per character

[grim oxide]

Same, I would love that

[atomic condor]

the account name is used for so little anyway, may as well attatch it for minting

[spare arrow]

That defeats the entire point of a self found system. Everyone would play rogue and rat the dungeon.

[jagged dew]

Yeah character only really screwed solos or non boss taking classes

[grim oxide]

Better than everyone just purchasing the items imo

[blissful stirrup]

Especially now that you can see what rolls the merchants are offering on crafted gear

[junior copper]

Devs need to grow backbone and stand on their changes if anything...

[grim oxide]

I forgot about that lol, they go back on their word so much

[spare arrow]

This is because socketing is coming December 18th. Soon we will be able to just modify armor and weapons to hit perfect stats.

[blissful stirrup]

That is true, even more reason for ssf to come back to arena

[atomic condor]

you still have to find it yourself that's the point of SSF, it sucks finding a perfect piece of arena kit just to be on the wrong fucking character

[spare arrow]

Then play the right character. Simple.

[karmic grove]

no way these devs are real people who play this game... why tf we buffing druid

[atomic condor]

except you don't know when you're going to find what for who, its a small change that would greatly increase the enjoyment of finding loot that is outside your current class,

[gusty sierra]

thanks!

[waxen wadi]

so I can't log in? My pass won't work, either because something is up with the server or because I've forgotten it, and I can't press "forgot password?" because the website is down. Help?

[spare arrow]

If you are going for an arena kit, play that character. I doubt it will go account wide as it is either going to be SSF character bound or purchasable from the market. Most kits are crafted and quests are account bound, so 90% of the gear is already available account wide anyways. With crafting - combined with socketing - it is going to be incredibly easy to make a perfect kit.

[grave geode]

servers are down for patch. check #📢announcements

[spare arrow]

You are coming from a paradigm of the non-socketed prior patch. December 18th that changes completely.

[waxen wadi]

is it normal for the servers being down to stop people from logging in? like I can't even get to the launcher screen

[spare arrow]

Yes, it will be down until the patch completes.

[atomic condor]

this could verywell be the case, and none of us will really know until we get socketing, but at the current i seriously think that accountwide should be acceptable as ssf

[spare arrow]

That is what we have with market purchased items.

[grave geode]

with socket system it wont even matter tho

[waxen wadi]

I'm just really confused because this has never happened before, up until this point it has just remembered my pass

[karmic grove]

good thing i stopped playing dark and darker, these devs just balance whatever they want instead of what makes sense. scales are completly off balance and for a game that punishes you HARSHLY for dying, that's a really bad look...

[gusty sierra]

What gives atm more ap in hr at he moment per slot, gear or treasure? is it even worth to pick up anything at all lesser than epic? Thanks!

[grave geode]

skill issue unironically

[atomic condor]

it will be an increase in the average gear level for sure, but not nearly to the extent that market purchased would be. and having everyone on a more even gear playing field in arena is a good thing especially if we are going to have it be ranked and SBMM

[jagged dew]

God bless your soul please dont come back to this awful place

[lavish shell]

prioritize legendary and unique gear, treasure is only worth about half of gear rn, but crafted items and 2 handed weapons break the general rule and are worth less than other gear pieces

[grave geode]

wrong. treasure is worth more than gear. you can check wiki

[waxen wadi]

true, but it's the wrong kind of skill. the skills required for the game right now arn't fun. the skills required for the game right now are the corner camping patients, the one shot calculating, and the money hording to buy 330 move speed skills

[karmic grove]

ofc you would have a league icon LMAO

[grave geode]

ok and?

[grim oxide]

Akali best champ

[spare arrow]

Socketing makes every item 100% rolled perfectly. Craft a kit, add the upgrades you want, and a literal best in slot kit is yours. That is almost impossible to do right now, but with socketing it will be extremely easy.

[atomic condor]

we think it will be extremely easy, we won't know until we actually have our hands on it

[olive mango]

when will I be able to pick up throwing axes, like how the ranger gets their arrows back ?

[waxen wadi]

the market would just flip. instead of paying 30k for gloves, you would pay 30k for a gem. same thing.

[spare arrow]

Except gems are much easier to find then a 100% rolled perfect kit.

[lavish shell]

The wiki is outdated and no longer accurate to this season. You're welcome to test it yourself.

[jagged dew]

Booo the games random rolls make the game fun socketed gems would have to be super rare for it to not slam the economy and completely change the game

[grave geode]

I have. Treasure gives double the ap of gear at the same rarity per slot

[jagged dew]

What treasure and what gear specifically. Nvm thought u meant money 😿

[waxen wadi]

we can't know that for sure until they are implemented. and the total price in theory would still be equal. like if you can socket one gem per roll slot, then you'd either be paying 30k for bis gloves, or be spending a total of 30k for 5 bis gems. it would just be more specific, like buying bulk vs buying specifics.

[gusty sierra]

Thanks!

[lavish shell]

this is the complete opposite of how it works this season but if you got demi doing it that way then you're welcome to believe it works however you want. I'd check out Ryan6daysaweek's recent video on the ap breakdown to see what everything is actually worth this season

[grave geode]

he is wrong, treasure is worth more ap

[grave geode]

ive had this exact same convo a week ago, ryans vid is wrong and he said so in the comments of the video

[cosmic swan]

Yep, treasure is better https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Adventure_Rank#Item_Achieve

[spare arrow]

I think you are right. I'm just excited for my 321 move speed 40% PDR 50 dexterity bard kit that I can in theory create. Not sure if I can hit all of those exactly, but that's my entire goal for this next season, just grinding that kit and running it in arena. Making it without socketing is literally impossible, but with perfect rolls on everything I think it actually is close to achievable.

[waxen wadi]

I'm excited for my 30 magical healing infinite demon with 180 hp build that I can run more than exactly one time before getting run down by a rogue... I get your point lol

[outer ermine]

are DAD servers down?

[spare arrow]

Right? It's going to make creating that perfect kit actually possible.

[waxen wadi]

I'm terrified of darbreezius with the dark offering build tho. he's gonna get warlock nerfed through, and ultimitley past the ground with that one

[fierce tendon]

What do you think of the buffo and the puma?

[gusty sierra]

Well he said it's about half of what it was in the beginning, not that is less worth than treasure, 'cause in this season treasure was literally 0 points no matter quality, then they rolled that back and it was worth a little, the real question is, after the gear went to half and treasure went from 0 to a little... what is it more worth per slot, most sources i've consulted at this moment in the season, better to prioritize gear, epic or above, exception being 1slot treasure royals. But this is only filler anyhow, the big thing this season are suboses, boses, high priority interactables and player kills (a bit of a wild card if you ask me) So, that's what i'll be focusing on. Thank you all!

[loud moat]

One class per premade does nothing to combat the most toxic matchups (2x, 3x ranged classes on one team, can still be bard ranger fighter wizard all on same team, effectively same level of toxic triple ranged as before), now friends just cant play together if they main the same class. Avg IM L

[worn marsh]

IM just keeps cooking and everybody keeps crying, what tha hell the game gets a hotfix or 2 every week!

almost no other games does that

[cold plover]

are servers up?

[worn marsh]

man, they should put a timer of how much time till the patch releases!

[cold plover]

and i wanna know why they buff barb and druid, what is going through theyre mind process

[spare arrow]

That is how you play a game. You play the classes that are most powerful and synergize best together. That will happen no matter what. Ironmace's update fixes the triple wizard/ranger/rogue matchups that were going on before and forces either random play or playing in a well-balanced team. This is a good update that will help improve the arena matches significantly.

[grave geode]

The wiki is not outdated, if you are looting anything, prioritize treasure, gear is only worth more per slot if its two rarities above the treasure

[waxen wadi]

they also nerf rogue lol. makes no sense to me. I love the magic reflection changes tho

[loud moat]

I think playing vs ranger cleric wiz or ranger fighter bard is just as unfun as playing vs ranger ranger ranger but w.e. You are also at a big disasvantage stacking a class b/c you arent playing wiz bard cleric

[cold plover]

rogue nerf is okay but they should nerf other things about him not his cooldown thats stupid, and i play rogue

[upbeat notch]

Can we get the 18 Dec patch early on the test server?

[cold plover]

as a rogue i agree that rogue is really op if played right but they should nerf other things about him other then cooldown thats just dumb to me

[dreamy merlin]

Are the servers down? I can't log in

[upbeat notch]

same

[fierce tendon]

It's less fun to play against x3 archers or 3x warlocks

[upbeat notch]

What are you willing to give up as a rogue?

[waxen wadi]

the cooldown changes kind of make sense after the extra charges, but the anti heal makes no sense at all. I don't think that the rogue nerf is so bad, I just think that the rogue nerf in the same update as the barb and druid buff is bad.

[austere hedge]

ngl im getting back to the game before druid patch. but why is everyone complaning about teh game?

[loud moat]

I disagree i think cleric wiz bard is just as extremely unfun, my point is its kinda arbitrary and an artificial restriction

[cold plover]

no there is nothing they can do to nerf me 🙂

[cold plover]

anti heal? wym all i saw was the cooldown update

[grave geode]

they are just whiny babies, ignore them and play the game and decide for yourself whether you like it

[waxen wadi]

Rogue's Poisoned Weapon healing reduction changed from 15% → 10%.

[cold plover]

oh for the poisen weapon

[fierce tendon]

If it's not very fun to play against them but at least they're not going to make x3 wizards or x3 barbarians or x bards anymore

[cold plover]

i dont use poisen weapon so that really doesnt apply to me but thats still stupid i agree, but theres no point in changing cooldown if we still have 2 hides lol

[austere hedge]

@grave geode yeah like balancing a game especially this game is pretty hard. imagien moba games its same shit there. they change the meta per patch sadly. Like i dont see any problems with this. I can understand if someone has ALOT of hours and see 0 content being implemented then i understand their whining

[loud moat]

Meh, sounds more like a complaint about class balance and map design, i think artifically limiting what players can pick feels bad and is very anti-new player

[waxen wadi]

no changing the cooldown with the extra charges makes sense. it allows you to use both charges rapidly but wait longer to have a full charge, or use both charges slowly and have half cooldowns. it allows the player to be more creative in how they use it.

[cold plover]

that doesnt really change anything tho if ur a good player and know how to use ur hides effectivly

[waxen wadi]

it does. It gives you more options. there is no "best way" to use your hides. the best way is the way that best fits your situation, and now you have more control. in comparison, before the time changes, you essentially just had the cool down cut in half with no other changes, which was kind of broken.

[woven patio]

When tf is the update over?

[cold plover]

it is over i got the update

[waxen wadi]

I got no clue... if only somone knew

[woven patio]

oh sheeesh

[cold plover]

i guess but it still doesnt change the fact that we have 2 hides with no cooldown between them and i think thats still op esp if ur a good player

[waxen wadi]

its a trade off though, because if you use your hides that way, you have to wait longer to get full hides back now. there are positives and negatives to using it that way.

[cold plover]

yea ik u have to wait longer but like i said the fact we even have 2 is op, and all u need is 1 if ur figthing and ur good enough and the fact we have 2 is just overkill

[shell grove]

If the game was like that from the start nobody would think twice about it.

It's not anti new player. It's anti spoiled current player mentality

[spare arrow]

It sounds like you have not faced the 'triple threat' type of teams. Going against 3 of the same class on Barbarian, Wizard, Rogue, or Ranger is incredibly difficult and very much anti new player. This change eliminating that for the most part will make the gameplay more meta focused and less of no counter to this playstyle.

[waxen wadi]

that's debatable, but the devs must see your perspective, else they wouldn't have made the cool down longer. also although this is class specific, 2 hides is nothing to a wiz or warlock. also you can just wait out a hide as well.

[loud moat]

still think thats a class balance and map design issue

[cold plover]

wym its nothing to a wiz or warlock

[waxen wadi]

you have no idea until you've fought against 3 wizards with 100% casting speed who spam fire ball

[spare arrow]

Yes, exactly. That is gone now, which is great!

[half spire]

guys 6 hours is crazy

[waxen wadi]

wiz has light orb, and warlock has hydra, both of which both can hit invis. now that I mention it so can treant, so druids work too.

[cold plover]

i mean ig that just applies to a certain type of build for ur rogue, bc mine can landmine and fight range so im not really worried about spell casters or rangers but i get what u mean

[hallow quail]

anybody having login issues

[waxen wadi]

I'm not saying you have to be worried lol, I'm just saying that some classes have built in invis counters, so 2 charges is meaningless

[waxen wadi]

I've been told it's part of the update, but yeah I also have login issues

[hallow quail]

ohhh nvm

[upbeat notch]

That's not what I asked, I asked what are you willing to give up as a rogue

[cold plover]

the 2 hides, for me not really a need but it is a good addition i like it but i think we will be fine without it

[cold plover]

oh okay yea

[waxen wadi]

I would love for rogues to lose dagger mastery, and for rogue to get access to more swords, and replace dagger mastery with some kind of dagger support perk, that lets rogues use daggers but as a off hand weapon rather than a main weapon feature.

like maybe rogues could get 100% manual dex when swapping to daggers, allowing them to do a full sword combo, and then instant swap to daggers and hit a dagger combo.

[cold plover]

what type of swords do u want? i think the rapier is enough no?

[waxen wadi]

arming sword would be nice, falchion would be pretty cool too

[cold plover]

arming sword yea but i dont think the falchion would be good for rogue since were mostly speed and that hits kind of slow, it does good damage but we are so squishy that we will die before we can swing it enough to kill i think

and even with dex its kind of slow still compared to like rapier and dagger

[waxen wadi]

fair enough, but if bard can use it I think that rogues should be able to as well. also on a similar note I think rogues should get a buckler. bucklers were designed for rogues and rangers alike. if rondel fighters and rondel bards can exist, rogues should get it too.

[lusty panther]

Wait 6 hours to get mauled by a panther 🐆

[cold plover]

yea the buckler makes sense it all just depends on ur playstyle

[waxen wadi]

whether you use it or not is up to you, but more classes should have access to it

[cold plover]

i wouldnt use a buckler personally bc my kit i use a stiletto and 3 hand crossbows and like 20 throwing knifes lmao

[waxen wadi]

I would also love to see an ability that lets rogues throw a dagger they are holding, and then have it come back after hitting a target. It would not only be cool, but would also have some crazy build possibilities.

[upbeat notch]

A main hand dagger, or double dagger setup is part of the class identity for many people. You could take out dagger mastery but you'd have to replace it with something else to cater to that class identity.

[cold plover]

i think that would be too op no?😂

[unkempt phoenix]

I keep getting the "disconnected from server" message when trying to launch the game

[waxen wadi]

you'd be temporarily disarmed, so idk about that

[cold plover]

we can be 330 ms and just kite all day throwing knifes and never running out 😂 😂

[upbeat notch]

I'd like to see some dagger throwing build options, but I think it should be treated similarly to arrows when it comes to stock.

[cold plover]

and if they get close we can just stealth hide and run away the other way

[cold plover]

servers are down for update

[unkempt phoenix]

ohhhhh

[upbeat notch]

I'd like to see stealth reworked so that staring at a hidden rogue long enough pierces the invisibility.

[cold plover]

thats not bad

[upbeat notch]

This could then be leveraged to allow rogues to stay in stealth longer.

[waxen wadi]

fair enough, but that isn't what a rogue really is. a rogue is a cross between fighter and ranger, that incorporates stealth and finesse into combat. the triple dagger set up is the standard right now, and I understand that it may be to late to change that, but I think it would be healthy for the class if we did.

[waxen wadi]

like a perception check

[upbeat notch]

In what game have rogues ever been a cross between other classes? They're one of the OG classes, if anything Rangers are a cross between rogues and fighters.

[waxen wadi]

dnd...

[upbeat notch]

Rogues or "Thief" as they were called back then, were in the game before rangers ever came around.

[cold plover]

i mostly only play rogue and i think rogue needs another nerf, its too op if played right

i 3 tap any class and i can play long range with speed i dont think thats fair lol

[upbeat notch]

It's not about just straight nerfing a class. That will just make it suck and unfun to play.

[cold plover]

the only class i have trouble with is pdr barb but then i just play distance and win

[waxen wadi]

in first edition fighter was the ranger, and also the fighter. and thief was the rogue. the rogue was a cross between the melee and ranged fighter variants

[upbeat notch]

If Rogue's burst potential is too big, then lower rogue's burst but also make his debilitate his enemies more. Rogues are supposed to be the masters of setting up unfair fights through snatching various advantages or imposing various disadvantages on their enemy.

[earnest current]

100% luck in this game do nothing , 300-400 luck try all the key and gem and only trash came out no gear no treasure no chest , Key and gem in this game got high price because keep more gold

[waxen wadi]

I'd love to see rogues take a page out of the alchemists book and throw potions to apply debuffs. like health pots could be anti heal, and shield pots could be blindness. rogues are known for being resourceful.

[earnest current]

Rogue got the first buff after 5 season of nerf and still want to nerf rogue again ??

[upbeat notch]

First edition fighter was pretty much only the fighter. Yeah he could use a bow, but not any better than Dark and Darker's fighter. He also had no other ranger traits. Ranger became a cross between Fighter and Thief.

[vivid stratus]

Anyone knows why the servers are down even tho it says it's up?

[cold plover]

where does it say its up

[upbeat notch]

I want more deliberate and calculated balancing of the class rather than just randomly alternate between smacking it with the buff bat and nerf hammer.

[waxen wadi]

(Fighter) Paladin, Chivalrous knight of Lawful good
(Fighter) Ranger, woodsman, hunter, tracker
(Cleric) Druid, priest of nature, balance, and neutrality
(Wizard) Illusionist, a wizard trained in deceptive magic
(Thief) Assassin, an evil killer for hire, in the Dungeon Master’s Guide, actually
(Cleric-Fighter-Rogue) Bard, the first prestige class, required multi-multi-classing,but was easily house-ruled
Monk, its own class, based on Asian monastic tradition of super-natural martial arts, broken from the beghinning

I found this while doing research just now. this is a break down of what was possible while using the base classes.

https://panzerleader.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/the-iconic-characters-of-first-edition-add-players-handbook/ (scource)

[upbeat notch]

What's your source?

[cold plover]

i do like the fact that the hardest classes in the game are the most op tho, at least something makes sense in this game

[fiery shoal]

trust me bro

[earnest current]

balance ??? nerf rogue 5 season never buff that 100% sure all know , rogue got nerf all gear down , nerf all the start basic point , nerf all the perk down and still want to nerf rogue because he can hide and jumb scare the shit out of player because they just walk like god in the game ,use the torch and stop walk into the dark zone ez counter rogue

[cold plover]

what are u talkking about

[proven delta]

When i load up my game i get "connection to server terminated abnormally", I've heard of this before but I don't know what to do? Thanks

[cold plover]

servers are down

[waxen wadi]

this is part of the update

[upbeat notch]

You're not talking about the first edition of D&D, but rather AD&D, a different edition in it's own right.

[proven delta]

So it'll be fixed soon?

[cold plover]

in like 4 hours yea

[subtle heart]

how long will the game be shut down for?

[cold plover]

4 more hours if the devs are correct

[waxen wadi]

damn I have no idea what that is mb

[upbeat notch]

In either case, you're still applying a subclass to fighter to make it more like the thief, in essence the ranger was the hybrid class not the thief.

[proven delta]

ohhh ok thanks

[subtle heart]

broo i was supposed to play with my friend today bc i wont be able to play for 2 days and its almost midnight for me already f this

[cold plover]

thats what u get for playing a iron mace game

[subtle heart]

cant even play

[waxen wadi]

regardless of origins, my point still stands. rogue is a cunning acrobatic thief who uses stealth and finesse in combat to out wit his opponents.

absolutely none of that is represented in the current rogue options of; hiding in a corner, or running around like a mosquito shooting hand crossbow bolts and throwing knives.

[willow crescent]

my 3rd husband just died i turned on the game to forget about it and i get the servers are down massage

[cold plover]

i think we need to nerf druid more then we nerf ranger

[distant fiber]

He can do everything you just said

[waxen wadi]

he can, but it isn't good enough to survive the current meta

[upbeat notch]

Thief-acrobat is but one of the possible ways to play a rogue. You also have trap monkeys, and assassins. Sadly the assassin subtype dominates.

[distant fiber]

Talking about meta is not the issue. It’s hard to do those things, that’s why they will never be meta

[white sparrow]

are the servers down?

[waxen wadi]

or you know... we could have mor options, and then buff the options so that they are comparable in ability to the other options, so that every play style is unique, fun, and usable

[cold plover]

for the love of god yes

[waxen wadi]

honestly I'd love for rogue traps. not the bear traps tho. like imagine trip wire traps.

[cold plover]

i think they should just buff caltrops

[white sparrow]

not my fault they cant update their service status

[distant fiber]

In d n d, your thaco was represented y how much you dodged to live. In this Game you have to play like a back flipping run away kiting player ambushing over and over if you want the d n d experience. Technically that is possible but people think it’s too much work and want something else, but it is in game

[cold plover]

welcome to ironmace

[upbeat notch]

The rogue's trap monkey and thief-acrobat sides are sorely limited in support. Double jump and backflip lean towards the thief acrobat, where as smoke pot and caltrops towards the trap monkey, but that's about it.

[waxen wadi]

not your fault, it just that so many people have come in and asked the same question, completely unaware of the people who asked before them.

[white sparrow]

understood, i got off early from work so im kinda disappointed 😦

[upbeat notch]

Trip wire traps, where you get to attach a payload of your choice like an explosive bottle, or pre-aimed cross bow for example.

[distant fiber]

And speaking of d n d the theif would just plain die if they are on their own to fight. Everyone wants to backstab until they get hit and scream where is the tank I need heals or i die

[waxen wadi]

imagine setting up a windlass on the ground with a trip wire hooked up to it

[cold plover]

good im glad ur dissapointed u play druid i dont like you

[upbeat notch]

Indeed, that's the trade off you take. You're effectiveness is severly limited if you don't stack things to your advantage.

[waxen wadi]

that's what stealth and hide are for. rogues are really good at that in dnd. except unlike dark and darker where you just go invis, rogues in dnd have to actually hide behind cover, which adds a both rolling and map knowledge into consideration.

[upbeat notch]

They could limit which crossbows could be used if they think it's OP. but personally, you're leaving an expensive crossbow behind to make this work and it takes time to setup on top of the potential for friendly fire.

[waxen wadi]

I think windlass is thematically the only on that would work because of it's size. it's the only one that would make for a mounted turret. also because of it's size and the fact that you'd want it to be at head level, it would be kind of hard to hide. and you would have to bring it in with you, which is massive in your inventory.

[tepid kindle]

Anyone know if test server is getting an update?

[waxen wadi]

also I think it would be cool to mount it with a trip wire next to you, and then have it pointed at a door, so that when someone walks in, you press the trigger yourself, and fire straight down the hall way.

[upbeat notch]

Those are good points, but the turret would likely be propped up on the ground, aimed at where ever the rogue wants to aim. Think he's going to come into the room crouching? Adjust the aim for that, think he's going to jump over the first tripwire? again, Adjust the aim.

I'm ok with smaller crossbows being used too. Add other things to make them viable, like different poisons as consumables.

[waxen wadi]

a fire bomb as you mentioned earlier would be sick in combination with a bear trap from a ranger, which speak of, having an obvious bear trap, which you go to disarm, only to trigger a trip wire that fires a cross bow aimed perfectly at the head height for disarming a bear trap, would be comedy.

[naive goblet]

Guys any updates about the gear score in normals?

[upbeat notch]

Yeah, although add some trap oriented utility items for other classes, like 10ft poles and weights you can throw to trip traps.

[marble citrus]

better add them fire arrows or poison arrows

[waxen wadi]

or just cut the trip wire with your weapon. pretty much every weapon except dagger has the reach to be safe enough, and in team settings pole arms would work wonders

[waxen wadi]

also the dagger range wouldn't be an issue because rogues have traps and locks to see the traps, and access to rapiers.

[ember steppe]

Is it really going to be 6h for this update or do they usually finish faster ?

[upbeat notch]

Tapping the wire with your weapon could work (and bear traps?) a 10ft pole is just twice the range of a polearm. When it comes to the dagger range, purposely tripping a trap is different than disarming it. One makes it fire when you're hopefully out of range, the other safely disables it. As a trap maker, you could set your payload at the right distance for someone with a polearm to purposely trip the trap.

[waxen wadi]

dark and darker scales aside, a standard poll arm is minimum a few feet taller than the person using it, which is often minimum 8ft, if not 10ft.

[waxen wadi]

it would be devios to have a trip where behind a door, and then have the trap be in front of the door, so that when you run away from the trap to dodge it, you unknowingly run into range.

[upbeat notch]

You could also set traps for manual triggering by the rogue or his ally. A simple one could be tying a rope to a door, and a pullied weight on the other side, when the first player of an enemy party enters the room, you cut the rope holding the weight and it slams the door behind him. Add the option for magic payloads and an arcane lock spell locks the door before the poor fighter realizes he's alone against 3.

[waxen wadi]

if this happened to me I wouldn't even be mad, just impressed. that's some tom and jerry levels of creativity

[quiet sapphire]

what is Legendary Status?

[ocean eagle]

in regards to the patch notes, why did druid get buffed.. again?

[upbeat notch]

There is truly a lot of open design space with play set traps. And honestly the game kinda lacks that.

[upbeat notch]

Just buff everything around the druid instead of nerfing the druid.

[hot marten]

Running into serrver error when launching

[shell fog]

@quiet sapphire Access to the High-Roller Dungeons! Are you ready for the ultimate challenge! Take on harder enemies and get better loot!

• 8 Additional character slots! Don’t be limited to just a single character or class. Experiment with a multitude of different builds or playstyles!

• Sell items on the Marketplace and gain access to the Trading Post! – Please be aware that these extra trading privileges unlock 72 hours after the ‘Legendary’ status has been activated.

• 1 Shared Stash! – Gain some extra space for your loot and easily transfer items between your characters on the same account.

• Triumph Boost! Gain 50% more Triumph Experience each time you successfully extract from a dungeon. These points help you earn Bluestone Shards that can be used to unlock exclusive cosmetics!

[waxen wadi]

the games current combat system also lacks creativity.

[quiet sapphire]

ohhhh its that, thanks

[night slate]

is the game still patching?

[upbeat notch]

I blame the lack of decent CC for that. After playing Dark and Darker competitors that had plenty, I've come to realize it wouldn't be OP, and CC would add a lot of variance to combat.

[hot marten]

Just says "Server error. please try again. (2)
Makes me think so

[night slate]

ty

[ocean eagle]

#server-status

[waxen wadi]

what's really funny is the poll arms like the halberd, and large swords like the zweihander, were originally designed in the real world to be cc, yet in dark and darker they are just ranged dps sticks.

like have you seen a real zweihander in action? it's insanely fast, and absolutely massive. it's one of the few weapons that can actualy get a way with spin attacks, since it is large enough to give protection, and heavy enough that it can use the momentum

[upbeat notch]

I know, if they were to fix CC to something reasonable (not that they will because streamers will screech) those would be decent options to take for CC over dps especially for classes that don't have much CC to offer.

[waxen wadi]

also the zweihander, and other large two handed weapons similar to it, were originally designed to be used without heavy armor, with the idea being that the weapon is so large and fast, that it is the armor. if you step into range, and arn't in heavy armor yourself, your dead. if you are wearing heavy armor, your likely to get a nasty slap to the face that gives you a concussion, and may even knock you prone.

in dark and darker on the other hand, weapons don't have hit boxes, so it doesn't matter how large the weapon is. if you don't have armor on, your simply dying to someone who does unless your able to hit through armor with something like reckless attack.

its honestly disappointing that only the long sword can parry.

[undone belfry]

great job buffing panther that already runs through people. I guess I'll have to abandon longsword fighter bc you literally are against adversity in every fight.

[upbeat notch]

Panther isn't the problem, people using hardware or software macros to spam perfectly timed shape changes is.

[waxen wadi]

is that what that is? I always thought it was just a skill issue on my end

[storm mountain]

People using hardware to spam perfectly timed shape changes is a crazy statement

[upbeat notch]

Some of it is very obvious. Some of it is possible with muscle memory.

[undone belfry]

i was killed by a cheating Barbarian yesterday as well, range cheat. then he talked shit in voip. lol imagine cheating with an OP class then talking shit. wild

if you have high dps panther is killable, but with a longsword i literally can't trade with one

[waxen wadi]

well hold on a min there. you can never be to sure about range cheats because movement desync is a thing. It's happened to me a lot, where I think I'm somwhere on my screan, but then I watch the death cam and I'm on the other side of the room in reality

[upbeat notch]

Some weapons are going to be at a disadvantage. What's your secondary weapon?

[undone belfry]

ive had a pretty good return rate on bans. this was not desync. the man spaced me multiple times from too far away with a double axe. He had longer range with a double axe than my longsword lol. Im sure Ill get his ass soon

[waxen wadi]

idk man I kill panthers with warlock longsword. just forget about the parries and hold left click, one combo kills normally

[undone belfry]

i never parry panther, bear yes

[covert coyote]

can't combo when ur silenced for one second😂 💀

[undone belfry]

^

[waxen wadi]

??? left click is an attack? not a spell?

[undone belfry]

we shall see

[waxen wadi]

??????

[covert coyote]

tf is a silence then? this game be confusing

[waxen wadi]

silence stops spell casting and skills. weapon attacks arn't spells, and skills are the activated abilites that you assigned to q and e

[covert coyote]

that silly made

[waxen wadi]

I'm sorry, when was the last time that you couldn't throw a punch because you were silenced? Last I check the mouth and fist are unrelated?

[covert coyote]

i haven't been in such scenario yet

[waxen wadi]

you can certainly try it. just use mouth tape, or hold your breath or somthn

[covert coyote]

but. if ur silenced and u puch ur gonna make sound and that's not silence

[indigo scaffold]

there’s actually no reasoning with u

[cinder steppe]

The connection to the server terminated abnormally, please restart the client :)

Restarts client..

The connection to the server terminated abnormally, please restart the client

im not falling for it again -.- .......

[tranquil flicker]

anyone else unable to log into blacksmith?

[hard rock]

The zwei handr is kinda similar to me irl

[waxen wadi]

no? punching doesn't have a sound? even if you would normally grunt when you punch, that is the sound of you grunting, not you punching. and the grunt would be silenced.