game-discussion

[eternal surge]

is there any benefit other than the 10% discount for gaining affinity with the alchemist and surgeon? im wondering if their heals are better or if new ones unlock

[granite pendant]

they give grimmies which are kinda shit rn but you can get cool craftables

[violet bluff]

im so tired to dying to teams of warlocks now. Wtf is going on

[vital stream]

Why did i get a three day ban??

[eternal surge]

the only thing that bothers me about warlock is their DoT spells mainly cuz i always feel like DoTs are irritating to deal with in games. idk if id say theyre overpowered given the state of other classes, but theyre certainly easy to be irritated by like rangers

[hollow hull]

is the golden key room only on 1 of the crips map?

[random hearth]

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[keen wren]

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[hollow hull]

chris quit bchn ur a pver anyway

[silver charm]

lowlife

[strong flint]

Let SDF cook

[zenith flame]

So, I found an Epic Barbuta Helm. It had +2 Resourcefulness +2 Knowledge +2 Magical Power. It can only be worn by Barbarians and Fighters(Warlocks don't count). I thought THIS was going to get fixed with the recent item changes but I guess not. Barbs, Fighters, Rangers don't cast spells or have any Magic Damage abilities. Why do their exclusive items roll Knowledge, Magic Damage, Magic Pen? They have zero use. Am I missing something? Does having an item with Magic Power roll just let attacks do X Magic Damage on top on what their weapon damage normally does?

[keen wren]

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[honest onyx]

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[ocean fjord]

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[silver charm]

gratz u have found ur first purple

[cursive shale]

+2 knowledge means being able to invis pot jump scare as a barbarian.
The resourcefulness means interactions with chests and doors suck less ass and your ability cooldowns come up faster.
It ain't great but it sure does a thing if you're after a niche.
Unless they have wild magic barbarians then yeah MP is dead af for a stat

[wispy steeple]

refuse to play a game that allows any kind of 2 tap system. never have seen this in dark and darker unless you had real gear advantage... crazy the game has fallen off so much

[cursive shale]

Nobody sensibly likes to die in 2 hits much less 1. One shots should exist in the sense only if it was absolutely deserved or comes with a tell to it. Nowadays there's just one shots around the corner unless you're a barbarian or PDR fighter.
In short. Players should have to work to make a build even come close to one shots. Leave the one shots to PvE bosses.

[solar sage]

@ruby dragon

[analog valve]

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[ocean fjord]

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[wispy steeple]

not a contradiction. there "were gear" limits right. i was level 13 and two tapped a gear score of 250.... how do i know. testing stuff out. before when there was gear score limitations. you could defeat the idea of being two tapped good sir XD

[hollow patio]

@glad thunder you suck weener this patch booboo

[modern kiln]

Can we pls revert max hp nerf by at least 10 or otherwise customize the hp nerf per-class, respectively. It really only makes sense imo for the nerf to be percentage-based (relative to former health pools), if applying a universal value. Another suggestion on this subject would be to nerf heals more than max hp.. I think more time to make plays/turn fights/having to successfully land/dodge more attacks, and less heals would = much more skill expression compared to most fights ending in 1-2 hits and people being able to spam heals and reset mid-fight.. especially considering the massive, inherent healing ability disparities among the different classes.. It does not really take any skill to use healing, nor is it fun.. more time fighting > more time running & healing, right?...
Thank you for considering our feedback. I really love this game and want it to be the best that it can be.

[neat haven]

why are there so many cheaters now?

[eternal surge]

yo real, i ran into 2 of them today and i have like 160h played and had never seen one before then

[barren terrace]

'm not against the idea. But you just contradicted yourself in the same post.
You refuse to play a game that has two taps? The same that has been here for 2 years? In patch 68, Barb could one shot a bis PDR fighter with double-axe to the head. . . you know how?
Ofc you don't! Because you don't know how the math works between the damage, skills and perks. Who would have thought, that someone like you - wouldn't know anything? That's sarcasm, btw.

[cursive shale]

Unban wave.
Sdf unbanned any of them who apologized for cheating.
Naturally, they're back.

[wispy steeple]

can you show us those stats right now?

[solar sage]

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[astral charm]

Dookiesharts , fossilized dookie crust, 💩 crapballs, diahhrea fart shitballs. 🚽 Just as an example: Shartballs, shartmaxxing, 🧻shart grind, potty diaper gameplay 👶, etc.

[barren terrace]

You mean make a video just for you, just because you asked?
You don't know Barb, do you? It kinda takes 30 sec to check his skills and perks to realize why this was possible, and still is...

[clear marten]

Precisely what I have been experiencing! Hopefully we can get a fix ASAP

[cursive shale]

Where's that receipt?

[wispy steeple]

i mean you're clearly an expert right? prove me wrong and type it out? am i right chat cmon now! russians be saying things but dont prove the point

[little cedar]

Long sword riposte has been a thing

[solar sage]

During patch 68, if both participants had an EQUAL ammount of gear, a double axe with rage and reckless would do 95 damage, 145 to the head, aka, not a one tap on a fighter that had his build right. (if you dont have 150+hp in HR you're throwing)

[honest anchor]

hi, is the quest "a nobles dark ties" bugged for anyone else? for some reason when i do it it gets checked while im ingame but it unchecks afterwards

[idle egret]

you cannot 1 tap bis pdr fighter pre nerfs btw on barb

[clear cradle]

The skins you get from highroller. What rank do you have to get to unlock the skin?

[wispy steeple]

he will respond with a random angry comment. be prepared hah

[barren terrace]

I see, so, you can't tap 75% pdr 170 hp fighter as barb, yes? @glad thunder Let's talk.

[cursive shale]

It has but that at least is a tell. It's not getting W keyed and slapped in the head once or twice if you're hp heavy.
Riposting requires an appropriate reactive trigger to execute those two taps and even then you can expressly react to it generally by ducking it or jumping it.
This system wasn't perfect but it punished and rewarded on both ends of interaction far more than barb w key left mb

[night iris]

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[idle egret]

even with reckless and armor pen and 40 phys max phys btw for rage to stack u cant 1 tap a pdr fighter and the sceniro that needs to happen for that to even comeclose to working is highly unrealstic

[analog valve]

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[sly vortex]

pathfinder

[barren terrace]

Is there a chat here with no 2 min cooldown to let you folks "think" on this disc? Invite me there pls.

[wispy steeple]

then type a relevant statement on what you are discussing... i originally said, base gear vs 250.. and you eventually reply with a 170 hp fighter.. that doesnt exist in those parameters. so wisely think before typing youre statement or else everyone is just gonna bash on ya.

[barren terrace]

I'm new here, asshats, let's go to a sub-category of a different chat, so we can talk without this 120 sec delay, no?

[eternal surge]

man this barb ranger meta is really damn stale

[solar sage]

If SDF tries another "band aid patch" its quite literally joever.

[midnight ember]

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[keen wren]

Just type it in here, long format if you need to

[solar sage]

We lost 30% of the community already, we cant afford loosing 30% more and just "walk it off".Just fo the sake of sdf's ego.

[wispy steeple]

they should hire new devs and keep the one that talks to us tbh

[karmic comet]

He will most likely. This is probably the end of the game unfortunately. It was great while it lasted y'all

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[rich star]

Agreed 100%

[cinder prairie]

If you wanna play the game, you'll play it. If you don't, you won't. Only time will tell if it's good or worth it.

[paper forum]

Playing a fresh account with no stash and no use of merchants! Any ideas for what "goals" I should have? Demigod seems obvious, but maybe there are other more fun ideas. Kill 1 of every class? Kill 1 of every mob? Kill every boss?

[barren terrace]

https://i.gyazo.com/00584e86b7a835bb3f4a8fe7d07038da.png
Another one bites the dust. He actually voted for Cummala Hurris, imagine that? That is besides the point ofc. He started the whole dialogue with stating that I'm not human because I'm not from the States or smth 😄
Anyway. . . back to the point. If anybody wants to debate that it was possible to one shot a PDR fighter (bis included) as a barb to the head on patch 68 -> gimme a pm 🙂

[modern kiln]

Can we pls revert max hp nerf by at least 10 or otherwise customize the hp nerf per-class, respectively. It really only makes sense imo for the nerf to be percentage-based (relative to former health pools), if applying a universal value. Another suggestion on this subject would be to nerf heals more than max hp.. I think more time to make plays/turn fights/having to successfully land/dodge more attacks, and less heals would = much more skill expression compared to most fights ending in 1-2 hits and people being able to spam heals and reset mid-fight.. especially considering the massive, inherent healing ability disparities among the different classes.. It does not really take any skill to use healing, nor is it fun.. more time fighting > more time running & healing, right?...
Thank you for considering our feedback. I really love this game and want it to be the best that it can be.

[eternal surge]

fellas whats the melee counter to ranged weapons that isnt barbarian cuz im at a loss, literally everything ive tried doesnt work

[karmic comet]

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[rigid pivot]

run away in vain

[obsidian beacon]

Damn, wtf is up with this patch! I killed a barb in 7 swings with my dagger instead of 8!

[eternal surge]

thats a lie you wouldnt be alive that long

[timber remnant]

Legit spazzing in mid air as your bhop towards them.

[obsidian beacon]

whats the current way to bhop?

@eternal surge he never touched me somehow

[keen wren]

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[solar sage]

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[karmic comet]

Keeping myself grounded but at this point I'm just praying they didn't kill it completely, every day without a rollback is permanent damage, I wish the best for the game but not what it's becoming. I still love this community and I'm going to fight for what I want, it's our game just as much as it is SDF's. The review bombing, the outrage needs to be a wakeup call, our voice will not go unheard. I refuse to help kill the game I love by coping and saying it's gonna get better from here.

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @glad thunder because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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[still cloud]

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[night iris]

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[timber remnant]

God the copypasta spam posting is so cringe on both sides. Yeah I'll admit I did it like the first day. Now it's just getting old and is unproductive. It's been almost a week cmon guys.

[limber badge]

Return the slab

[crisp bramble]

RETURN THE SLAB

[keen wren]

[karmic comet]

Keeping myself grounded but at this point I'm just praying they didn't kill it completely, every day without a rollback is permanent damage, I wish the best for the game but not what it's becoming. I still love this community and I'm going to fight for what I want, it's our game just as much as it is SDF's. The review bombing, the outrage needs to be a wakeup call, our voice will not go unheard. I refuse to help kill the game I love by coping and saying it's gonna get better from here.

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @glad thunder because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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[timber remnant]

[keen wren]

[crisp bramble]

[clear marten]

Return the slab

[timber remnant]

[keen wren]

[timber remnant]

[barren terrace]

Hey guys, I have a question. . .
Are all people equal?

[subtle heart]

Druid should NOT be able to change into so many animals its crazy, it should be like a perk and you choose only 1 out of the options for whatever set up you want to build

[runic fractal]

I recommend changing build and hitting head. Even before p69 rogues could 3-4 hit me before i taken out bardiche

[keen wren]

If we are to assign a worth to every person, that worth depends on the individual, so no

[timber remnant]

.................the irony

[barren terrace]

First of all. You changed you answer 3 times.
2'nd: what do you think of this (I'm from Ukraine)
https://i.gyazo.com/094946511386af84bccabdb9f33c7d52.png

[keen wren]

I don't think anything about it, I don't care what someone said to you tbh. Why do you care what he said?

[crisp bramble]

OMG sif!

[barren terrace]

I don't, he's a piece of human garbage. I barely acknowledge him as trash. I'm more interested in your opinion and others on this matter. I need to know if this is the "default" internationally.

[timber remnant]

[keen wren]

The default? What?

The dude that messaged you is clearly some immature person. Stop caring about it is my advice. I doubt anyone else will

[eternal surge]

i remember why i quit the game last year and didnt play until a few weeks ago

the ranged meta is still as boring and stale as it was then and its crazy there hasnt been any sort of fundmental change to the way it works

[cobalt hedge]

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[topaz comet]

Is it just me or have they changed the spectral knight jump attack tracking?

[karmic comet]

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[obsidian beacon]

@barren terrace needs some meds or something. Asks philisophical question then proceeds to rants about how much he hates someone.

@eternal surge Kiting and range meta are probs stronger now than ever. I still stand by the fact that weapon mastery isnt overpowered just necessary to compete with the current state of the game

[timber remnant]

Weapon mastery isn't op but it sure os annoying for other classes that cant use EVERY weapon in the game. And I'm a fighter main.

[eternal surge]

yeah being kited infinitely by a ranged weapon just makes me feel stupid as a player

like, if i spend my entire fight w keying toward someone and i can never reach them no matter what i do (most recent case i use bind and judgement to catch up) then i feel stupid for even playing the game in the first place. idk how to explain it well, but i feel like my intelligence is insulted when i have to play against that. ive never played a pvp game before thats made me feel this way and tbh, it feels awful

[barren terrace]

Are you asking me to take drugs at your convenience? Also, where the hell did you see any *""""""philosophy""""""" ?

[keen wren]

You asked if all humans are equal, which can be interpreted as a philosophical question

[arctic oyster]

I have one of the cancer torch codes and idk what to do with it, am i allowed to sell it?

[barren terrace]

Back to the point: I have all these people trying to talk to me. . . Is there a chat where we can go to that doesn't have a 2 minute cap? I mean... really?? You want to have a debate like this???? HERE????

[obsidian beacon]

Its a meta where you peak at your opp and lead them through doors and chokepoints. Movement speed is king. Im with you on that, it feels awful trying to catch up to someone to deal any damage. Hence why bows on fighter were being ran with.

@barren terrace Are all human equal. Philisophical question. Legally yes, but even still your testimony or cooperation can be used as a barganing chip to avoid punishment

[keen wren]

Im kind of glad you don't get more than a message per two minutes. Also, who can't debate with one message per two minutes?

What do you want to debate? All you have said is how much you hate someone that messaged you with some dumb shit

[hoary flax]

You know, I used to at least try to see this patch from anyone who enjoys its POV to understand their points. But after checking it out more, y'all are really just absolute fuckin morons who are related to goblin shit. what a joke LOL, some people should be charged to breathe

[timid grail]

Why would they get rid of additional mem cap that shit is needed for a lot of classes

[bold mist]

I’m pretty sure the devs don’t play their own game. They said they’d remove hardly used rolls and decided that mem cap was useless. how dumb can they be? buff duration and debuff were fun too wtf

[eternal surge]

yeah and ive tried on multiple occasions to use ranged. it works every time. i stop doing it moments after starting because its so bland and boring that i cant even bring myself to do it. its almost preferable to just get shit on while playing a useless pvp class than to use ranged because of how boring it is

[rapid cipher]

Goblin final quest only female felidian skin ?

[bitter citrus]

well barbs and rangers don't need mem cap and that's apparently the only classes they want people to play so math adds up

[night iris]

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[grave geode]

male version, the female version was only for twitch drop. It is not the same as the felidian skin in the shop, it has a similar appearance to the twitch drop skin except it is male.

[karmic comet]

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[rapid cipher]

I mean black onerigth ?

[barren terrace]

https://i.gyazo.com/d4211a5a59d5a2509d3ac73abb5cefdd.png
This is my reply.
@obsidian beacon
Any ideas?
Make a group real quick or so, no?

[obsidian beacon]

Not clicking on a link from you bro

[earnest silo]

You can't talk truth to power on discord. Look who owns it.

[barren terrace]

Dude... it ends in .PNG....

[hoary flax]

Like the answer is just this. the patch is shit, the communication was shit, months worth of balance was flushed down the toilet. There are no counter arguments. This is the most damaging shit to the game yet. Hopers who go "just give it a few more patches" are glue sniffing scum. If it was going to be good, the first patch should have done it. There are no other answers. Watching a 10 min youtube compilation of rangers/barbs one shotting people within 1 day of the patch. Absolute lunacy to support this garbage.

[keen wren]

Bro I seen what you typed. What are you trying to achieve here? A debate about how people treat eachother online, internationally?

Nothing is going to change. Most people wont have any empathy when behind the anonimity of a keyboard and monitor.

Just ignore the haters and move on bro

[sudden mural]

Great patch, I find myself exploring the dungeon more because i don't need some arbitrary number to do decent damage

[hoary flax]

Other than great patch, the rest of your sentence literally means nothing lol username fits

[tropic nest]

so... new content sometime?

[sudden mural]

Guess I'm trying to say the threat of violence keeps people away sometimes, expecially when everyone oneshots everyone

[devout panther]

Patch is nice, now it's a skill based game again

[keen wren]

🇼

[hoary flax]

thats more understandable, but not sure how everyone being scared of being oneshot equates to the freedom to explore maps more. doesnt make logical sense. unless you're saying "everyone keeps to themselves" which is weird but ok

[timid grail]

Was never supposed to be a super competitive game it’s a extraction looter shooter when have those ever been balanced

[balmy sonnet]

does disarming traps give ap anyone know?

[molten citrus]

to all the people who actually think the patch is good, check out the most humble man on dark and darker,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A3f4IUimGE

[keen wren]

Let SDF cook

[sudden mural]

Yes, I find if you do the crouch spam or shake your head, people are willing to negotiate a bit more unlike in previous patches. I like it because the ease of killing means, funnily enough, people want to kill less

[earnest silo]

Probably when the new season starts. No point blowing your content in the middle of the season when you can use it to hype up a new season.

[hoary flax]

skill based btw, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXadRMiI4hY sure

[cursive shale]

from the comments.

@theegosy
2 days ago
The devs 100% misdiagnosed the current troubles with the game. Last wipe was well loved due to all the new content for us to experience, IM just needs to get actual updates to the game rolling. Skill trees, maps, classes, new weapons, new abilities to experiment with. Tinkering with gear yet again is just insane.

[timid grail]

Only things he’s cooking is his player base. I’d rather have new content then them try to make the game balanced it will never be balanced. plus there shit at balancing I’m not even good at the game or a sweat and I can see this is bad for the game it’s like Fortnite

[keen wren]

Obviously they are also working on new content

[hoary flax]

Class balance was basically erased with this patch. If someone believe they will not be dedicating at least one to multiple devs to rebalance everything is foolish. Going to take weeks to months of patches at the very least.

[molten citrus]

mwah 💋 💋

[timid grail]

I mean not if the continue with this vision they’ll be balancing the rest of the wipe. Just so much wasted time that could of been used on content

[barren terrace]

https://i.gyazo.com/05633fc8b2f24c6fb8794bbc302ac488.png
This disc hates me by default. I already got 1 warning within the last 20 min. This is my last msg.
If you are a . . . you know what, take this time and @ me.
I will not answer, so this would be lovely for you. You will have the opportunity to say whatever you want. With nobody to counteract. Perfect? Yes.

[wraith olive]

You know devs usually devs keep previous patches right ? they can just reroll or balance the game from the last good patch they released

[karmic comet]

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[hoary flax]

No duh. Thats basically the patch reversion we all want. I was talking under the assumption that they dont revert and continue with this garbage

[lean yacht]

Have fun killing your player count, I am surely inspired enough to make my own game, until then here are some tips to fix the game. Reduce the blast radius and damage for fireball, reduce the overall range damage for rangers, reduce base stats to where they were so gear matters, reduce the movement speed of nightmare skeletons so players aren't forced to cheese them and play the game as intended, reduce the overall damage for the bardiche and halberd removing the bardiche from being classed as an axe did nothing for axe specialization because it is a one shot weapon from the gate, stop hard focusing cosmetics when the base mechanics haven't been worked out the gameplay keeps people playing not the cosmetics, reduce the damage and duration for ignite, reduce the damage from bear and fix the panther chicken bear jump so its not so broken, reduce the amount of variations of the maps to stop giving off the false replay value and focus on making a map that doesn't have flow, lastly raise the lanterns on all maps to improve map flow and stop with the brain rot patches.

[wraith olive]

As far as I know hotfix coming tomorrow hopefully its not piss

[obsidian beacon]

Believe it or not but the class balance is almost the same as it was prior. It's just everyone has epic level stats and no random modifier

So wouldnt that mean the game was unbalanced prior to the patch?...

[tired maple]

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[hoary flax]

To me that is super misinformed and disingenous, the base stats for almost everything was scrambled. PDR classes were deleted and are no longer viable. Most casters no longer hit as hard. and Ranger/Barb have one shot options that almost no other class has access to. Thats only some of the balance thats been fucked, not even mentioning druid or any other crud

[tame cloak]

they make step towards right direction, but always missing by 30cm. Fix accuracy when

[lean yacht]

Have fun killing your player count, I am surely inspired enough to make my own game, until then here are some tips to fix the game. Reduce the blast radius and damage for fireball, reduce the overall range damage for rangers, reduce base stats to where they were so gear matters, reduce the movement speed of nightmare skeletons so players aren't forced to cheese them and play the game as intended, reduce the overall damage for the bardiche and halberd removing the bardiche from being classed as an axe did nothing for axe specialization because it is a one shot weapon from the gate, stop hard focusing cosmetics when the base mechanics haven't been worked out the gameplay keeps people playing not the cosmetics, reduce the damage and duration for ignite, reduce the damage from bear and fix the panther chicken bear jump so its not so broken, reduce the amount of variations of the maps to stop giving off the false replay value and focus on making a map that doesn't have flow, lastly raise the lanterns on all maps to improve map flow and stop with the brain rot patches.

[wraith olive]

I dunno if Ironmace will ever balance this game to be honest it will always be up and down which is fine honestly but this patch was really bad

[night iris]

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[obsidian beacon]

Honestly that is something that needs to be looked at then. What were the stats given from items when they were actually epic vs how they are now.

I believe you can get 30 strength in squire kit?

[keen wren]

Don't know what is going on with you, but I wish you the best 💗

[paper forum]

Playing a fresh account with no stash and no use of merchants! Any ideas for what "goals" I should have? Demigod seems obvious, but maybe there are other more fun ideas. Kill 1 of every class? Kill 1 of every mob? Kill every boss?

[hoary flax]

The issue is aside from "Stats" Base values such as Armor rating was reduced, alongside the -15 HP nerf. This makes it so every defense in the game is drastically lower. Classes that were 3 shot before are 1 shot. They only recently reduced weapon damage a bit, but I still see Rangers one tapping squishy classes.

This is a whole other issue from the discussion on gear rarity btw. This was a terrible patch from multiple perspectives.

[barren terrace]

Don't know how you exist, with this level of intelligence. But I wish you the best. (I'm lying, idgaf).

[keen wren]

[hoary flax]

https://youtu.be/WXadRMiI4hY?t=135 Just look at this clip lmao, how can anyone defend this shit, Im a barb main and I think this is disgusting!

[barren terrace]

You used your 2 minutes. . . for this? Have a good day sir!

[keen wren]

You too, señor. May your days be warm and your pillows cold

[modern kiln]

Can we pls revert max hp nerf by at least 10 or otherwise customize the hp nerf per-class, respectively. It really only makes sense imo for the nerf to be percentage-based (relative to former health pools), if applying a universal value. Another suggestion on this subject would be to nerf heals more than max hp.. I think more time to make plays/turn fights/having to successfully land/dodge more attacks, and less heals would = much more skill expression compared to most fights ending in 1-2 hits (which also rewards landmine playstyle - very boring and lacking skill expression imo) and people being able to spam heals and reset mid-fight.. especially considering the massive, inherent healing ability disparities among the different classes.. It does not really take any skill to use healing, nor is it fun.. more time fighting > more time running & healing, right?...
Thank you for considering our feedback. I really love this game and want it to be the best that it can be.

[barren terrace]

That is an amazing thing to say, thank you! My pillows would indeed need some cold beyond the 14 degrees celcius in my room. This isn't a meme, btw, it just feels better that way.

[empty elbow]

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[keen wren]

🇸 🇩 🇫 🙏🇮 🇸 🇬 🇪 🇳 🇮 🇺 🇸 💗

[hoary flax]

every time i look at the player count its lower and lower. -2k more players and we are equal to the lows of Multiclass patch

[keen wren]

its getting later and later into the night

[dire cedar]

found the cope, let me have what he's having I want to deny reality too

[weary pasture]

Holy sht you still here, must've paid you eh?

[acoustic lynx]

Has anyone seen a unique lootable before? just pulled one from HR pile

[small vale]

Guys even with this patch I'm still getting gearchecked can someone explain? Its not a skill issue I am a literal GOD in this game, but people are still gearchecking me!

[hoary flax]

10-12 EST is peak time for this game, also when West coast gets on. If the game is low count at this time its actually low.

And yeah fearm they added that recently, one small positive change in the pile of garbage

[keen wren]

Sure bud, here's the recipe:

• Add a healthy dose of trust in the company that built your favorite game
• Sprinkle a teaspoon of maturity and patience
• Stir vigorously
• Serve cold

[dire cedar]

maturity = act like a lobotomized fool, got it

[ocean fjord]

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[chrome gorge]

trust in the process was burned many patches ago after back to back to back to back bad balance

[bitter citrus]

"favorite game" lol aka the only serviceable game in the genre that would get ditched the second a better one came out

[keen wren]

Strong arguments there bud. If that is what it means for you, sure. Go for it champ, you got this.

Don't forget to stir

[barren terrace]

I . . . Disagree.
Try using good quality Jasmine Tea.
Then add some Vodka.
Then a little bit more.
And a bit more.
And then add concentrated Karkade tea with sugar, lemon juice, crushed mint lives and a tad of cinnamon.

[dire cedar]

discord nitro user detected, opinion: invalidated.

[keen wren]

Nice bait there bud. Keep working on it

[dire cedar]

cope

[obsidian beacon]

Its rejected not invalidated

@keen wren Im all for moving towards skill based rather than gear based. I believe this is a step in the right direction. However...

Balance changes on classes in the same patch notes is terrible. No one has any idea on what classes are now balanced and what classes arent.

There was an emergency nerf for barbs and yet nothing yet on Ranger.

Where is the community manager? How is IronMace the company being connected to its playerbase?

[jade delta]

Patch 68: 35k players log in every day
Patch 69 / 69-1: 16k players log in everyday

55% of players gone

SDF grand vision🔥🥵

[bold knot]

if i sell something how long does the gold sit there before i have to collect it?

[keen wren]

All valid concerns tbh. Discussed this with other (civilized) people multiple times the past couple of days. Using the testserver would have been better I agree

[tame cloak]

and nerfed gears so much that ther is no differnec between white and blue

[dire cedar]

cope

[chrome gorge]

week

[bold knot]

awesome thank you

[keen wren]

That's not true. The difference between a squire set and a full rare set is still huge. The problem is that that difference is greater than the difference between full rare and full legendary.

This is because most builds have two primary rolls they are trying to get, other than base stats. The 3rd and 4th roll on gear are often not required to make the build strong. This results in people running full rare kits rather than spend money on full legendary with minimal increase in power

[tame cloak]

dont add rings and pendents. if u just take whatever blue it's pretty much even

[hoary flax]

a few days, it has a countdown

[keen wren]

Still not true, for the reason I stated in my second paragraph

[winged hawk]

is linking steam account to my blacksmith account still a thing?

[obsidian beacon]

My issue with the test server argument is that it:

1. You have to convince the players to play it (when there is no incentive or habit)
2. It splits the matchmaking pool (again)

@tame cloak I honestly wasn't that put off by having all rarities have the same base stats. Although my 4th epic chest that had poor rolls and offered no upsides changed my mind.

I for one, welcome the changes as you can actually make kits out of squrie gear now.
Id argue that it was actually <25's that were removed given how the current squire acts like a free <125 kit

[tame cloak]

but look at price on market

[keen wren]

Another downside is that major changes to the game will happen slower / further into the future. SDF felt the need to go ahead without testing for a reason, probably to save time

[timid grail]

Fr imagine paying for discord subscription must be a whale

[tame cloak]

lets be honest tho dark and darker had always been 2 steps forward 1 step back

[tepid hazel]

i havent played ina few months.. what did i miss?

[hoary flax]

Honestly., 69-1 Addresed around half the issue with gear rarity. There needs to be enough of a difference between squire gear and higher rarity loot to incentivize progression and looting, or else you are killing looting in this game and the entire end game loop. However, the random modifier removal they did also FUCKED everything because half of the loot you pick up now has BIS stats. Which makes everything worth something which in turn makes everything worthLESS.

This is aside from the still existing class balance nightmare that is the -15 Max HP and all around reduced PDR/MDR. Fix one issue and create another one. IM and SDF are cooking shit stew

[keen wren]

Imagine being able to afford a monthly subscription to a social app you use every day

[barren terrace]

I just wanted to apologize for the. . . dialogue that we had.
I'm just used to people stating their issues a little bit more bluntly.
But I believe the main reason is me-myself being very intoxicated. I drank 1.7-1.8 L of vodka in the last 6 hours. So I'm obviously not qualified to debate. . . unless it is a casual debate.
https://i.gyazo.com/2af62c3eb6b313901f188388932f60d6.jpg

[timid grail]

Ahahhahahahahha I wish i had enough money to make my discord pretty

[keen wren]

No apology necessary, but accepted none the less. Hope you find the peace you are looking for brother

[barren terrace]

That's great. Thanks. I wanted to give you a photo of discord and bottles, but the camera was weird. It almost looks like youtube or photoshop censorship. It's blurred as hell.

[keen wren]

You will be able to afford it too, once you finish school and get a job

[hoary flax]

I genuinely, just every time this happens, hate more and more the way the Devs patch this game. I think we only all tolerate it because of how good this game is (was). Like no other game ive ever played pulls this shit.

[knotty cave]

are the candles in the lobby floating in the air off to the left of the table for anyone else?

[frail moss]

I can't wait to spend the next year making micro adjustments to numbers on gear instead of getting content.

[jade hollow]

Wich bosses are the Easiest and wich are the hardest

[hoary flax]

Goblin cave bosses are easiest to start learning, cyclops is probably the easiest

[drowsy loom]

@glad thunder hey buddy, thanks for this "vision" you saw in the game, really enjoyed seeing the game fall off this hard ever since you started to speak for anything about the games balance. do better next time, revert to 68

[hoary flax]

Elon musk syndrome

[prime narwhal]

I've never seen so many presumably adults whine so hard my entire life wowza

[modern kiln]

Can we pls revert max hp nerf by at least 10 or otherwise customize the hp nerf per-class, respectively. It really only makes sense imo for the nerf to be percentage-based (relative to former health pools), if applying a universal value. Another suggestion on this subject would be to nerf heals more than max hp.. I think more time to make plays/turn fights/having to successfully land/dodge more attacks, and less heals would = much more skill expression compared to most fights ending in 1-2 hits (which also rewards landmine playstyle - very boring/lacking in skill expression imo) and people being able to spam heals and reset mid-fight.. especially considering the massive disparities in healing capabilities among the different classes.. It does not really take any skill to use healing, nor is it fun.. more time fighting > more time running & healing, right?...
Thank you for considering our feedback. I really love this game and want it to be the best that it can be.

[jade delta]

Patch 68: 35k players log in every day
Patch 69 / 69-1: 16k players log in everyday

55% of players gone

SDF grand vision🔥🥵

[prime narwhal]

are you okay? genuinely

[keen wren]

🫂 emotional support hug

[drowsy loom]

should take your hobbies away in a single swipe, maybe youll be a better person while i laugh at you for being mad

[prime narwhal]

i really dont think its that serious. i am sorry everyone is so very upset but it really could be worse. game still exists quests still there to be done. pvp a lil shitty but theyve expressed repeatdely theyre just trying things

[solar sage]

Drip gravy just said that he was leaving

[hoary flax]

Part of the issue is they expressed the desire to continue things in this direction permanently, which after tasting a bit of it we all consider the death of this game we love.

Another part of it is the randomness and lack of communication. The devs do random things at random times with little planning and it ruins the game for weeks on end. Hence multiclass, hence now

[drowsy loom]

why would i care about how you feel, its a game I like, should i care if you dont think its serious? it is serious, killed half the playerbase in a single patch and the next 6 months minimum will be spent fine tuning garbage instead of content

[prime narwhal]

the doomsday predictions of the game ending over an update are silly. its changed drastically since inception and yet its still here. take some deep breaths youre going to be okay i promise

[keen wren]

killed half the playerbase, im sorry but you're dooming so hard

[hoary flax]

idk I think its pretty fair to say at least 1/2 players hate this patch and quit at least temporarily. Id say its probably more than half actually.

[drowsy loom]

the numbers are there buddy, maybe if you took a look instead of ranting you would learn abit more.

all the info is public btw

[snow compass]

yeah, that half the player base is some big exageration. there's charts and stuff you can look at to see this is just a lie.

[prime narwhal]

id classify those people as whiner babies personally. perhaps even call it a skill issue

[keen wren]

Show me the receipts then? Send the links you are basing your information on

Looking at the steam playercounts we are not even nearly halfway down

Tuesday 22 oct 23:00 UTC - 10.400 players (pre-patch)
Tuesday 29 oct 23:00 UTC - 9.061 players (post-patch)

https://steamdb.info/app/2016590/charts/

[frail moss]

The Year is 20XX.

I log into Dark and Darker, but things have changed.The game has been streamlined for fairness. Now, every match is a simplified rock-paper-scissors game... except only “Rock” is selectable, for balance reasons.

Victory is determined by server port priority, which, developers assure us, will be resolved soon™, before the Sorcerer is added.

The community rejoices. No more gear dif—just pure, competitive rock.

[livid bolt]

Patch 68: 35k players log in every day
Patch 69 / 69-1: 16k players log in everyday

55% of players gone

[carmine ocean]

Imfao, been running down former gear checkers all morning. I can see why you guys didnt like this patch, u have 0 skill. Ill log on for my hour lunch break at my $420k/yr WFH job and run you sweaty unemployeds down with raw skill you’ll never come close to, and still have time to bang my smoking hot gf. Keep crying in this chat it wont save you. welcome to my world betas

[hoary flax]

I really hate that take right now. This patch has some of the lowest skill expression ive ever seen. Half the classes get one shot, where is the skill in expressing that lol.

Like if you honestly think its a skill issue either you are playing one of the 2 broken classes, or you are just not informed

[drowsy loom]

4 days ago, game was at around 20k, now its at 9k, its quite literally right infront of you

[barren terrace]

Learn how to copy-paste pls.
It's embarrassing.

[odd oxide]

Your probably a jigglypuff staller main on melee

[zenith flame]

Me personally, I'm still playing the game. 69.1 softened 69, but it still have issues. Mainly Barbs and Rangers. Also, I'd love it if Instruments had Mem Cap and Knowledge rolls again.

[keen wren]

This is a fair measurement. Comparing the same time last week:

Tuesday 22 oct 23:00 UTC - 10.400 players (pre-patch)
Tuesday 29 oct 23:00 UTC - 9.061 players (post-patch)

https://steamdb.info/app/2016590/charts/

Check it yourself.
That is a decrease of what, not even 1500 players, a little over 10% of the playerbase?

The loud minority

[flat fulcrum]

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[gaunt flax]

The game isn't too awful, but there is no purpose. Though, SDF claims to will change this soon, so maybe it'll be better after.

[carmine ocean]

it's embarrassing that you're typing to me at all

[umbral urchin]

You're talking to someone with 1 day in the discord obvious bait

[hushed carbon]

A game losing 10% of its entire player base from 1 patch is a big problem...

[prime narwhal]

i play only cleric and had no problem taking down a ranger trio with a wizard. its def not perfect but this amount of vitrol over an update is genuinely the wildest thing ive ever seen

[drowsy loom]

the lowest its been in the games entire lifespan btw, but the updates good right?

[fervent wigeon]

I thought they increased the base stat slightly with each tier.. Legend still seems the same as squire?

[keen wren]

Buddy you just said we lost half the playerbase. Do you now see the error of your ways?

I told you, you were dooming. Stop dooming.

@hushed carbon Updates definitely not perfect, but all will be addressed in the coming patches. Why would we expect the opposite?

[karmic comet]

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[distant pivot]

Chat I just bought Hogwarts Legacy it's on sale for $20 rn. I also bought Elden Ring and 3 other games. I haven't took a break from the game since Steam Demo. That's right I'm OG OG, and I have LegacyFounders edition. But guesss what I'm moving on from Dark and Darker. I'll give the game a year to get things right when I check back I only pray and hope that Anti-cheat is better, Arena is finished and complete, and theirs another map and another class. I'm not asking for a lot just a bit more content. I also don't think this patch was that bad. Really the only things that need changed are reverting HP nerf and or nerfing Barbarians HP, and nerfing PDR fighters PDR again from 65-55. Force them to use their shields more and actually acquire skill instead of just stat checking us with 3x our amount of PDR.

[barren terrace]

Nice Ego, Sponge Bob. You think too much of yourself. I just stated the obvious - too bad you can't handle it. Pls no suicide, yes?

[frail moss]

sadly ive always been a furry

[hushed carbon]

Yeah they better address this shit. That patch was fucking retarrrrrrrrrded.

[drowsy loom]

its not dooming if its true, the players are gone and no one wants to stick around for the vision.

maybe if they let us throw rocks or something at each other it would be good

[odd oxide]

SDF should make a plaque of your name in the game once things settle down. You deserve something for holding the line all day against all of the mob hate

[snow compass]

I'd say a game where most of the active community keeps repeating ''the game is dying'' for at least 3 months is probably more of a problem/reason. But hey, PVP games like this aren't known for their optimistic player base.

[keen wren]

Honestly there is something wrong with me But that was already glaringly clear

[flat fulcrum]

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[frail moss]

I think his leadership style is very questionable. Doesn't seem to care if he sounds uncertain or isn't clear on stuff. Not to mention he bricked peoples gear mid wipe. Regardless of how you feel about gear dif (I think gear dif was a problem) thats fkd up.

[drowsy loom]

the game averaged 40k at july, game was healthy, people liked the game. now its down to barely 10k, expected to drop even further if the game runs dry.

sdf has no clue what he wants dark and darker to be

[hushed carbon]

Guy has a complex. A real "fuck the players I'll do what I want" complex.

[keen wren]

We know by now his methods can be a bit.. heavy handed. But it is also a game in early development. We can probably expect a couple more big swings during the coming years.

This is what, the 4th time the community has had a meltdown over a patch?

[gaunt flax]

I just want to point out something that I have seen, but there were 17000 players pre patch, lobby and dungeon according the player list at the time. I used to point it out to my friends and joke about the fact that there were thousands of people in the lobby. You also forget to account for Epic Games numbers. Again, I don't absolutely hate the gameplay changes, only the lack of goal and reward changes. I just want to point something out in the statistics you provide.

[woeful wolf]

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[odd oxide]

14 years early access 7 days to die and people weren't as whiny as you guys

[prime narwhal]

have you considered that people just have more free time in july? kids not in school? people on vaycay? now is major wedding season. the only person to show actual stats and not parrot numbers from nowhere showed its barely dropped at all

[hushed carbon]

His own team said in the 2nd last interview with Onepeg the game is best when he doesn't touch balance. He has no clue how to balance. They all agreed "SDF, you cannot touch the core game. Go work on arena." What the FUCK is he doing touching balancing again? He doesn't even care about his team.

[drowsy loom]

apparently all the kids graduated and got married within the span of 3 months? maybe thats sdfs vision

[keen wren]

Well it definitely seems like he is pulling in the reigns and taking control. For better or for worse, only time will tell. What his own team said doesn't necessarily mean these or the coming changes are bad

[hushed carbon]

HE just said these changes were bad lmfao

You're defending someone who already admitted they fucked up, and they were wrong. He is not enjoying the game after his patch.

[woeful wolf]

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[astral charm]

Lil bro is self aware

[snow compass]

Is this game still early access?

[hoary flax]

Game will be considered "Early Access" for years to come. Tarkov has been out for 8+ years and is still in "Beta" development. Don't get confused by the terminology its all smoke and mirrors

[keen wren]

A gross simplification and misinterpretation of what he said. Please provide the quotes you are referring to

@astral charm
Damn I was hoping you wouldn't see that one

[plucky helm]

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But keep the damage reductions nerfs and the double move speed nerf

[astral charm]

[earnest raft]

WHY THE FUCK IS A RANGER 2 TAPPING PDR FIGHTERS WITH BODY SHOTS

[keen wren]

Shoo, go back to trolling people in gen chat

[hoary flax]

[hushed carbon]

"I also don't get any pleasures from acquiring gears. This will change tomorrow."

3 patches in 1 week now, and he isn't even enjoying it the game. HE FUCKED UP. ITS A BAD PATCH. His own team said "SDF, you cannot balance, you are bad at it." They work with the guy probably 60 hrs a week. Luckily we have you, the SDF whisperer, to come in and re-interpret his vision for the rest of us cuz you know him better than anyone else in the world.

You're delusional man. Nobody with any integrity left thinks it was a good patch. Not even the guy who released it. Not even his team who already told him to stop trying to balance the game, cuz he sucks at it.

[silver flax]

@keen wren mashed potato head

[astral charm]

No need, you’re already doing it for me!

[keen wren]

All he said was that he will address the way "aquiring gear" works. How are you interpreting that as:

• admitting he was wrong
• saying the changes were bad
• saying he would revert anything

And I'm the delusional one?

[hushed carbon]

Yes. You are the delusional one. That's why you're the last one left defending the shit patch. You're like the soldier who won't lay down his gun after all the generals already surrendered. Yes. You are delusional.

[candid mural]

Lol if you’re running the right stuff I think you’re doing 100ish damage with gray windless its insane 😭 just gotta finish them off with hand crossbow (if you miss the headshot)

[runic storm]

guys who spend hours and hours farming bosses for uniques and stuff should have an edge but 1 dmg in this game does not reflect that sort of grinding thats the problem with the changes time and effort is not reflected and it turned into more of a BR with these changes

[astral charm]

🤣😭

[timber remnant]

"Someone get this man a true"

[keen wren]

I disagree

Patch was good in some ways, bad in others.
Bad parts will be addressed.
Yee of little faith will keep malding and coping until the patch tomorrow.

[hushed carbon]

Dude, nobody is on your side anymore. Look around. The war is lost. Go home.

[sacred minnow]

Just R-m-t you fool you get chest and skull keys why farm for hours on end to gainn nothing ...... its takes like 2 weeks to even try to get a Skull key literally.

[gaunt flax]

Jumping onto the current thread, I'd say that SDF wishes to make it so there feels like there is more reward to having better loot. It could mean changing the current damage spread of weapons a little further. I doubt many people are truly upset about the damage changes, more of the value of the loot involved and how it differs from the standard.

What I can argue about the patch is that it should have been tested more before it came out, so the error would have been less on release. An alternate solution would have been to slowly transition over to prevent the outburst in the community.

[karmic comet]

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[river thunder]

The patch was partially good, for me it's just that looting gear should be more fun again

[keen wren]

There was never a war bud. Just the truth. Lets talk again tomorrow, after the patch

[earnest raft]

yeah this patch is freaking amazing. I love getting 1-2 tapped every game

[granite pendant]

GUYS VOTE ME FOR DARK AND DARKER I WILL:
fix the shitty bosses (wyvern, cyclops, banshee, lich, ghost king)
add new skills and perks (esp for druid who desparately needs different playstyles; earth spells sound fun)
make mobs / dungeon more difficult and give a greater variety as well as better AI (esp elite and nightmare)
make the dungeon darker (more torches off, some can start removed)
add volumetric fog & effects
remove attributes from clothing, just armor and speed
add enchanting system to armor and weapons to introduce player choice for playstyle
add experience and class training system for minor buffs and classwide permanent skills (e.g. druid's herbal sensing) that deserve to be a class perma-buff and not a selected skill
add adrenaline; when you get within a range of an enemy (5m) you get a visible screen effect and buffs/debuffs to affect running away, fighting, etc (works with invis rogues; they can be buffed again now)
add more artifacts that are not necessarily unique
more utility spells for wizard / druid / warlock / cleric
REMOVAL OF GEAR SCORE AND RETURN OF COMMON / HIGHER THAN COMMON LOBBIES
give rogue pots/caltrops/ranger rations ability to be found randomly in the dungeon to recharge them through breaking crates etc.
give more time in the dungeons and an inter-lobby rest period (20-25 minute lobbies where escape times are the same)
drastically change boss fights to prevent annoying rat-style interference and actually make bosses scary
an idea for this is to make the hell arena a drop-off into a fiery arena for more atmosphere
wyvern arena could levitate upward with the beginning of the fight
guilds / clans and community / town notice board systems
guild-issued random quests / party / clan quests
perfect parries result in ripostes but otherwise block as normal
MAKE EVERYTHING WORSE WITH A WIDER RANGE TO SCALE UPWARD
GIVE NEW PLAYERS SOLO DUNGEONS TO GET USED TO DaD
MAKE A COMMUNITY BOARD THAT WILL GIVE FEEDBACK ON UPDATES BEFORE THEY LAUNCH

[snow compass]

Here's what I think is happening : Now that there's some ppl with experience/knowledge of the game new players can't really learn how to play that much anymore. They saw how the new players didn't stay as much after each promo they did I would imagine. And realized that the learning curve is too steep now. So they want to retain new players. They tried something it failed. Now if they don't react this game going down the drain. Reverting as some of you suggest over and over again will only lead to less and less players. So they have to change something. To me the obvious thing would've been rankings so that ppl with thousands of hours arent playing vs new ppl but hey I have no fucking idea what I'm talking aobut really.

[abstract acorn]

This patch has been the most fun I’ve ever had with this game lol

[hushed carbon]

Yes. Let's talk again tomorrow after they release the emergency patch to fix this bad patch. 😂

the 3rd patch in 1 week.

[runic storm]

lol try getting 2 tapped running cleric with 40 pdr and pop skill to put it to 70% with 130 hp

[fossil lagoon]

@zinc sparrow Have you guys ever thought of adding coloured borders around items in your inventory to tell rarity at a glace? it can be very difficult when you have a lot of potions or bandages in your inventory to tell their rarity.

[keen wren]

🇼 🙏 🅿️ 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 🔥 🔥 🇪 🇳 🇯 🅾️ 🇾 🇪 🇷 🇼 🇮 🇹 🇭 🧠 🅱️ 🇷 🅰️ 🇮 🇳

thank you for your support and trust in ironmace. hope you enjoy the rest of your matches too

[river thunder]

But is it just me or should be the time to kill way higher in a looting based game so you can cost out that gear and don't loose it in 3 seconds. Like a fight for 5 mins and you turning out as a winner would feel much more rewarding and you would get more adrenaline

[astral charm]

Not drawn out like 5 minutes but definitely needs to be higher than what it is now

[odd oxide]

That was a problem before as well, not new to this patch. Massive gear diff made things 2 - 3 hits.

[nova mauve]

i think ttk shouldnt be long enough to kite someone for 3 minutes. TTK should be low in this game, but currently it is too low imo, just buff hp a tiny bit and tinker with damage values. They should use the test server for this though, not the live game.

[runic storm]

also without youtubers and streamers playing the game will die

[earnest raft]

bruh you cannot compare this to cs

[candid mural]

I loved the ttk time during 3v3’s! So much fun clutching up a fight. But now you just have 2 rangers, a barb, and just instantly kill people. It’s funny but not exhilarating.

[river thunder]

Yea that's what I also think

[nova mauve]

@shrewd kelp a fireball should be 1 shot no matter where it hits you then

[candid mural]

Can’t tell if this is satire or not 😭

[storm stratus]

The patch is p good SDF don't lose to these nerds crying for their nolife to return. Thanku

[past lark]

Gearcels seething over Squirechads

[jade hollow]

who is hardest boss

[silver flax]

the barb rushing you

[keen wren]

🇸 🇩 🇫 🙏🇮 🇸 🇬 🇪 🇳 🇮 🇺 🇸 💗

[karmic comet]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

[tired maple]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

[candid mural]

Based

[sour prism]

devs need to get fired

[candid mural]

You should be able to throw spear then 😎

[glacial abyss]

NERF THE FXCKING PHANTOMIZE

[sand citrus]

just fought a team of rangers and then a team of barbs super mega dog $HITTT GAME

[clear marten]

Add smoke sesh to the dungeon, add 420 and 710 mechanics, bong bubbler, dab cough emote, and smoke cloud emote

[knotty cave]

did you win?

[frail moss]

I don't know how you can even breathe with that boot in your mouth.

[candid mural]

I actually found a cool bug in the game. If you press Alt+F4 the screen turns dark and you win automatically by getting off!

[keen wren]

I can't. Send help

[bitter kettle]

Being able to throw ur spear would be pretty cool actually

[dull walrus]

I mean, just put in Javelin utility weapons.

I wouldn't want to throw my mainhand away in ... 99.9% of situations.

[candid mural]

Right! I think it’ll be pointless but could be better than using rapier/hand crossbow play style for some!

[karmic comet]

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[clear marten]

Blowing O's with straw hat on... wow

[keen wren]

ayo fam can we all agree SDF is the goat and a genius?

much love peace out

[subtle heart]

need them to add an assault rifle with 7.62x51mm m61 bullets so i can truly be the god of the dungeon

[candid mural]

This has to be satire

[keen wren]

Glad you agree

[spiral canyon]

as ive read the negative reviews on dungeonborne, it looks as tho the devs have done the same exact stuff that sdf has now done. the game gear and matchmaking was messed up completely, they didnt listen to their playerbase and all mobs were buffed even in the easiest levels and provided no better loot. that was a month before @glad thunder did it to dark and darker. different nerfs and buffs but exact outcome. something i learned in grade school: If you cheat off of a failure you will become a failure yourself.

[frail moss]

SDF PLEASE FIX THIS OVERPOWERED GEAR DIF.

I keep dying to barbarians who are wearing agility rings and simply put they have much better gear than I do. I am convinced this is why I keep dying. Please fix this immediately.

[candid mural]

Might as well give ranger a gun. Does the same damage 😭

[bitter siren]

Does anyone know how to get shadowplay to stop breaking

[bitter kettle]

I just play the game casually what’s the lore why does everyone hate that one dude? (I’m guessing he’s one of the devs)

[subtle heart]

dont use spotify

[keen wren]

its just a small group of toxic 12 year olds that dont like him, everyone else vibin

[graceful storm]

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[grim wing]

is a love hate relationship. he is indeed the main dev

[clear marten]

Add smoke sesh to the dungeon, add 420 and 710 mechanics, bong bubbler, dab cough emote, and smoke cloud emote

[frail moss]

Gear used to be impactful. SDF wanted to change that. So he did, mid wipe. So people with gear in their inventory suddenly had a bunch of bricks. For some people, the point of this game is loot and extract. Find or craft the best gear possible.

Now that all gear is basically the same, anyone who played for the dream of god tier gear basically doesn't want to play the patch. And SDF did it because of some vague "vision" he had.

It wouldn't be as bad if 1. They hadn't just spent years balancing the game to where it was just finally getting good. 2. They didn't do it mid wipe when everyones time and effort can be destroyed suddenly.

[candid mural]

Questionable balance changes

[bitter siren]

It appears on gforce experience but just kinda breaks when the game is open, freezes the screen

[keen wren]

You alright bro? It appears you are having a seizure

[graceful storm]

game is dead rip GG

[bitter kettle]

Ah, so what’s the meta now? I remember warlocks and rangers were pretty popular, and barbs ofc

[frail moss]

Personal attacks against SDF or any of the devs will result in a ban! Let them destroy their game in peace!

[keen wren]

Yeah? No cap? To Ohio with you

[candid mural]

Every character is just a glass cannon. Cleric is horrible and bard is eh. Ranger can one shot. Barb got buffed too much. Rogue… is rogue… its just unfun

[clear marten]

They should add tickle rick instead and the emote is just the adventurer tickling rick Sanchez and he is laughing snd squirming on the ground really fast and flopping around 🤣

[keen wren]

1. Ranger
2. Wizard
3. Barb

[jade delta]

Patch 68: 35k players log in every day
Patch 69 / 69-1: 16k players log in everyday

55% of players gone

SDF grand vision🔥🥵

[main raven]

Wizard's the meta? They get folded instantly

[candid mural]

Wizard def not meta. Just play ranger or barb. Anything else and you get rolled lol

[keen wren]

I don't when I play wiz. Are you running around without armor?

Im consistently running through barb & ranger teams on Wiz. People telling you wiz is bad are having skill issues

[main raven]

Who cares about armor lmao Wiz dies in two Longbow/Crossbow shots.

Sure, Wiz does pretty insane damage right now, but so does everyone else

[wooden lichen]

wizard is quite good in trios with CL and Missle spam but he does get rekt hard by rangers and any melee that sneaks up on him

[jade delta]

@grim wing if u build lot of strenght and armor pen, fights wont last long, if u dont. They will
Its quite simple

[keen wren]

You're playing wizard wrong buddy. You need to be the one sneaking up on them. Light that little dagger on fire and start stabbing them, they drop like flies

@main raven
Just squire gear, build 15 str and 300ms, rest is will,knowledge and dex. Then just bring all the tanky stuff you can (reactive,arcane,ice shield). haste invis ignite, stab.

It consistently works on barbs. Even 1v2d teams of barbs. And I'm not even good

[high ruin]

@glad thunder so glad i spent 14k on a kit with buff duration on it for you to just get rid of it, thanks.

[main raven]

This'll work on Ranger for sure, but I feel like Barb would still dumpster you first. Shank Wiz would go pretty hard in this meta though

Do you run a STR kit or a DEX kit for this purpose?

[jade delta]

Patch 68: 35k players log in every day
Patch 69 / 69-1: 16k players log in everyday

55% of players gone

SDF grand vision🔥🥵

[grim wing]

not quite sure if i understood correctly the meaning of your response. but the question is simple. Are you agree with lowering the TTK? how would you implent such change?

[main raven]

Crazy how immature people are about this game. If you really think the game's never changing from this point you're insane

[keen wren]

It really just works against everyone. Greatest danger to this build is kiting warlocks. Thats why I bring throwing knives, zap, fireball and fire mastery

Also if you get shrieked by a bard you gotta gtfo and let the debuff run out before going in

[sand zenith]

It’s not an immaturity issue, they took the loot out of the extract looter with a half assed patch, nobody’s against the game being begged but it’s not through this.

[languid trench]

[jade delta]

What was wrong with ttk, that it had to be changed?
Fights never seemed to last too short or too long.
The time for how long fight lasts always depends on each sides builds

[desert orchid]

Increase pickaxe impact power

[frail moss]

If anything fights can last even longer now. Both teams basically cowering on either side of a door/bridge hoping their ranger gets a pick.

[main raven]

I find it odd you say Shank Wiz is bad against Locks, because even prior to this patch I would've made the argument that it was already your best Warlock counter lmao

@sand zenith If you don't like the patch, just wait a week or two. I'm glad the devs are finally trying some big changes to the game, because update #69 has some good ideas. Not everything was good, of course, but squire gear not being worthless is nice

[languid trench]

allow me to gear snipe if im in panther form or one of the cat races

[jade delta]

Patch 68: 35k players log in every day
Patch 69 / 69-1: 16k players log in everyday

55% of players gone

SDF grand vision🔥🥵

[grim wing]

this vary class to class. being a low dmg rogue is not the same that being a bear with 50 of str oneshoting everyone... so my point is that TTK will affect directly with the expretion of skill in the game but at the same time a longer ttk will buff cleric that was the main class in the game

[barren terrace]

@idle egret Nice new nickname. The cringe is real. IS this the best you came up with? At least change your avatar and discord overall. Because everyone will always know who you are and what kind of woof-woof you are. Geez.

[keen wren]

You depend on your melee for burst damage. They can phantom out and heal, while preventing you from casting invis because of dots.

Try it for yourself !

[hushed forum]

I'll say it i love SDF. I love his ideas. And I think the rest of you are a bunch of little.baby sissy girls. Let the man cook

[jade delta]

Low dmg rogue?
When i play rogue, i shred everyone and everything in max 4 headshots with kris dagger.
And u cant talk about TTK and druid at same time, druid has always been op bs class

[main raven]

I mean, its hard to get hit by curses when you Invis rush the guy lmao. You also naturally have synergy with FIre Mastery, and you can still rock Fireball (and should) with a Shank setup

[languid trench]

allow me to gear snipe if im in panther form or one of the cat races

[grim wing]

you cannot kill neither a bear barb heavycleric

[keen wren]

Yes, obviously. I specifically said I started bringing fire mastery to deal with the warlocks. Also when a warlock gets ambushed by you while you are buffed up, he phantoms and your buffs run out.

You can try to debate me on this but Im speaking from experience, playing the last couple days after the patches

[candid mural]

I was mining and got put into an allyway in great Britain :(

[barren terrace]

I killed 2 barbs and a bear in the last 4 hours with a lute. Does that count?

[jade delta]

Rogue hard counters pdr stackers.
Rogue completely dogwalks druids
Barb is buffed too much for rogue to handle now, yes.

[main raven]

You ARE playing one of the only classes that can actually capitalize on Phantom's -50% Magic Resist by repeatedly Fireballing him while he's "unkillable"

@grim wing Is Bear even good anymore? That Action Speed nerf is harsh

[grim wing]

any skillful guy in the 68 with a 50 bear is unbeatable for a rogue

[keen wren]

Sure thing. Im going to kill some more barbarians and rangers on my wiz. Keep cooking lil bro

[jade delta]

Rogue has a crossbow and knifes, with poisons.
And way too fast for druid to even attempt using bear form.
The only way for druid to counter rogue is to run across map

[high ruin]

nah, run at them as panther and bait switc hto bear, and then run away

[grim wing]

i mean its simple depends where all kind of enclosed placed you are gone. plus that the mega movility capacity of druid i the 68 was op

[warped raft]

need to take away warrior weapons from magic users, either be a mage or be a warrior fuck this constant best of both worlds crap, from far away im merlin, get close and poof! im conan...

[jade delta]

Patch 68: 35k players log in every day
Patch 69 / 69-1: 16k players log in everyday

55% of players gone

SDF grand vision🔥🥵

[random mulch]

On the Ice cavern map, there is a altar of sacrifice on the far west of the map in the sanctum but I cant seem to find it, anyone know where it might be?

[analog summit]

IT is dumb i block successfully and he can still commence 2nd swing and 3rd at same speed but i cant recover faster than the blocked person
why block then lol

[unreal crystal]

Is there going to be a quest that requires candy corn???

[umbral iron]

I don't think so

[karmic comet]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

[uneven scaffold]

where is sdf response to podcast?

[grim wing]

there was a podcast with sdf today?

[keen wren]

🇼💬🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭💬 🇼 🇻 🇮 🇸 🇮 🇴 🇳🇸 🇩 🇫🔥 🔥🇬 🇴 🇦 🇹🔥

[uneven scaffold]

they say so i dunno either

[hasty mulch]

how are you conan? i one shot wizards on a barbarian all the time

[nova mauve]

wizards are harder to pull off bonk atm due to the super low hp, if you mess up and blow your shields you are done for especially against a barb

[exotic crypt]

anyone know how to survive the banshee last phase shift? my duo and I can't seem to collect enough "ghosts" to survive the screaming phase.

[karmic comet]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

[warped raft]

pretty sure you one shot all classes now but, yea okay. #ezpzwagon

[hasty mulch]

Conan was a barbarian, you realize, right? mages aren't hitting people like barbarians.. I hate it when people use my own words against me too, i get it.

[keen wren]

Ill win a 1v1 melee with you any time of the day on my wiz

[warped raft]

crom...

[midnight ember]

have one dude chill on the cusp of one of the open doors while the other grabs all the ghosts

[hasty mulch]

i'll win a 1v1 melee with you on my wiz against your wiz any day

[keen wren]

No I want to fight your barb with my wiz

[solar sage]

Can I get link to podcast?

[elder hinge]

What's the best gear to craft as a fighter?

[keen wren]

🇳 🇴

[storm trail]

When is patch dropping; Shoot i was hoping itd be one of those am patches

[keen wren]

No information yet. But if I would have to guess, between now and 24 hours

[cyan bear]

Somebody know where found the podcast

[hollow anvil]

this games toast if the dont revert the patch

[maiden kiln]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

[solar sage]

They arent reverting HP

[signal nymph]

is it worth hitting HR pile over a normal pile to get royal gems for quest ?

[astral jacinth]

BRO ANY ONE WANT TO BUY A DEATH BLOOM FOR 4SK IV BEEN TRYING TO SELL IT FOR 4 HOURS STRAITE

[grim flax]

is it normal for an item on your stash to randomly not be "found by player"?

[sonic moss]

could be a quest reward or goblin gamble item. Also if you found it in dungeon but put it in express it won't be found by a player.

[grim flax]

brought it back without express man, then it was sitting in stash for a day. Next thing it unminted itself lol. It was a unique too

[woeful wolf]

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[sonic moss]

Not sure, I noticed some stuff unminted when when they released patch 69 but that was after I removed it from the market

[ebon kite]

let the patch wars begin!

[analog summit]

ive had this happen but i thought it was because i put it on the marketplace

[elder crystal]

Anyone know when the patch is? It’s well past my bedtime since I have school in the morning (I’m in the 8th grade). I’d like to read the patch notes before I go to bed though

[grim flax]

true, but this was after the patch. Good thing I took a screen shot, and sent a bug report. they trying to catch me with my pants down

[muted trail]

That's tough. I feel like a reverter, but also see myself as a bit of 69er

[keen wren]

[subtle heart]

TRASH IDEA

[small vale]

🇮 🇳 🇨 🇷 🇪 🅰️ 🇸 🇪 🇭 🅰️ 🇷 🇵 🇾 🅱️ 🇺 🇸 🇹 🇸 🇮 🇿 🇪

[tidal heart]

i hope you gte castrated you stupid fck

[compact kiln]

[elder crystal]

Guys when sdf comes online be nice

[deft vapor]

Why

[keen wren]

Wont make a difference. Not like I am ever losing my virginity anyway

[velvet mason]

@astral charm @raw flint switching to here for a hopefully quicker discussion. I may have had options on I’m not sure, definitely odd that they pierce through shadows though

[drifting jolt]

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[elder crystal]

Cuz he a person like me or u be nice

[odd oxide]

They won't it'll be that stupid copypasta

[astral charm]

@twin laurel Yea potions will show on your belt if they are equipped on you. To someone else, they will see the red and blue potion floating in the pitch black lmao. I just equip them when I need them and only hold bandages on my belt for healing

[elder crystal]

They better be nice to sdf or im gonna have to get involved….

[velvet mason]

Wrong trinket 😉 But thanks, I thought that might be the case but hoped it wasn’t.

[astral charm]

😅 also np

[velvet mason]

Idk if I’m alone on this but I wish potions didn’t do that. I play rogue and avoid pvp when I can though so maybe it’s just me 😂 full coward mode

[keen wren]

There is a perk on rogue that hides your potions etc

[raw flint]

It’s possible your silhouette was contrasted against a more lit background farther behind you. You might’ve been standing in darkness but something “stuck out.” It’s impossible to tell with these things.

[velvet mason]

Oh pickpocket, I’ve been meaning to run that but I didn’t know it also hid utility. Reading it again though you’re right. Thank you 🙂

@raw flint I was against a dark wall so I think the potion thing was the issue.

If rust taught me one thing it’s be wary of back lighting haha.

[hushed forum]

I'll say it i love SDF. I love his ideas. And I think the rest of you are a bunch of little.baby sissy girls. Let the man cook

[night iris]

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[velvet mason]

I think I understand what he’s going for, it’s the execution that’s the issue

[vocal ivy]

Does anyone know how much ms frsotlight cape used to give

[winged elk]

🇧 🇱 🇦 🇨 🇰 💗 🇨 🇦 🇹 🇱 🇮 🇻 🇪 🇸 🇲 🅰️ 🇹 🇹 🇪 🇷

[velvet mason]

Can you guys stick to spamming general please. Leave us a channel to actually talk.yoire all the reason we gotta wait 2-5 mins just to carry on a conversation

[keen wren]

🇸 🇩 🇫 🙏🇮 🇸 🇬 🇪 🇳 🇮 🇺 🇸 💗

[weary pasture]

Hooog riderrrrr

[velvet mason]

Does invisible potion act the same as hide? Or is there an outline on it like hide used to have

[jade delta]

Patch 68: 35k players log in every day
Patch 69 / 69-1: 16k players log in everyday

55% of players gone

SDF grand vision🔥🥵

[keen wren]

Some of the less mature players have temporarily quit because of this artificially created "outrage" by R-m-Ters and streamers. They are all up in their feelings before even trying the game, just jumping on the doomer bandwagon. They will be back once they see they were wrong

In the meantime, the player count has barely moved

Tuesday 22 oct 23:00 UTC - 10.400 players (pre-patch)
Tuesday 29 oct 23:00 UTC - 9.061 players (post-patch)

https://steamdb.info/app/2016590/charts/

SDF already said he wont be reverting the changes.

Stay mad doomers

🔥 💗 🇼 🙏 🅿️ 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 🔥 🇼 🇸 🇩 🇫 🔥 🅱️ 🅰️ 🇸 🇪 🇩

[velvet mason]

Guys the copy pasta isn’t the way to go. I promise

[rancid torrent]

i load into a raid at 166 gear score why am i going against people at 500 gear score like how is that a fair fight?

[keen wren]

It counters some of the misinformation that people have been spreading in this discord about dropping player counts. Just doing my part

[weary pasture]

U been riding from the beginning it's not even about the patch, did he vision all over you🤣

[clear burrow]

does anyone know if the mana sphere true magic is capped at 1? i saw a video of it being 2...

[peak gull]

there is only sub 25 and everything else. since gear now is way more even than it was pre patch 69

[keen wren]

Mad the patch isn't being reverted? You'll get over it bud

[weary pasture]

Nah your idol him self said it sucks, the vision needs glasses

[hidden dew]

anyone know why my mouse is going offscreen now? doesnt matter whether im in fullscreen or windowed fullscreen. there was no update to game or drivers. just started happening so now game is unplayable

[lone panther]

are gold coins counted as uniques for ap like candy corn are?

[keen wren]

Did you even watch the podcast? They talked to SDF. Thats like the opposite of what he thinks

[velvet mason]

Well at least on the steam side. Player count has aurally dropped. But regardless all the copy pasta spam really does is hide objective feedback. If you sent me a love letter but I had to scroll through 15k lines of insults before I found it…I probably would see it. It’s the same principle. The copy pasta messages lose value every time they’re repeated

[weary pasture]

The general messages says otherwise also where can i watch the podcast?

[gloomy wraith]

Tuesday 22 oct 23:00 UTC - 10.400 players (pre-patch)
Tuesday 29 oct 23:00 UTC - 9.061 players (post-patch)

[main phoenix]

uh i was just in a duos game and it said adnormal detection and made me and my friend leave the game and now it says we are banned for three days?

[lapis tinsel]

Is it true that there will be another update in the morning?

[keen wren]

Yeah you're right

@weary pasture someone posted a link in gen chat earlier

[velvet mason]

Holy shit I was right about something, I gotta call my mom

[keen wren]

I would prefer they moderate the discord and ban all the people that spam or send insults. But they basically dont

[velvet mason]

That’s because the insults and spam still hide constructive criticism. Just in the worst way 😂 unless someone is threatening your community there’s no real reason to ban them

[weary pasture]

Dude it's buried, can you link it?
Sdf might be really cooking

[main bronze]

The same people defending these most recent patches are the same kids that actually felt good about getting a participation trophy in sports growing up. That's all this game is now. A participation trophy. They got tired of all the shitters whining about never being able to get good gear, so they gave everyone a free handout. Contrary to popular belief... The reason why the rich players got rich is because they are good at the game regardless of gear level. They put the time and effort required to obtain the advantage that comes from good gear. Now every timmy in the game gets to skip straight to the finish line and hold the same level of power. That's why skilled players don't like this patch. We don't want participation trophies or free hand outs. We want to earn good gear and we want the satisfaction of knowing the advantage we hold using that gear came with a cost.

[olive flower]

how can i message someone back if they messaged me

[peak gull]

/r does it once you got dmed - /w [name] if you want to initiate or /r is not available

[strong needle]

pls buff lich and ghost king spawn rate

[lapis tinsel]

wait, not is 1 per map?

[peak edge]

know they nerfed din of darkness build to the ground but does anyone know if u can make it work at all? just wanna mess around

[lime shale]

why is the match making system on i want to fight all the geared players with my squire kit

[eternal surge]

is there a game that scratches the same itch as this game? i wanna take a break while waiting for balance changes cuz its just starting to become frustrating and not fun atm

[woeful plume]

Skill issue. Funny now that phrase is turned back around isn't it??

[nova mauve]

Coming from me who likes to play dark and darker as a hop on and have fun with my friend super casually, I have been enjoying my matches so far, you just need to play alot more carefully, shit will kill you

[astral charm]

Sir this is a Wendy’s

[keen wren]

You're not funny bro. But keep trying

[main bronze]

care to explain that further? timmies dont magically get better at the game just because they have good gear now. They still get shit on constantly. I've killed so many people that play WORSE than bot's and they'll have absolute BIS on. But it doesn't matter because that gear is basically meaningless now, i'll take GOOD kits off people and vendor them just to keep them from getting it back from dungeon recovery. These shitter timmies don't belong in my HR games unless they invest in the skill to make their kit worth actually running.

[balmy harbor]

i enjoy seeing the complains of the patch i dont hate it or like it it's just meh to me

[raw helm]

you smell

[astral charm]

You’re still on here crying? Jesus Christ give it a rest already, literally been on here all day. Why don’t you block me like you did that dude earlier and everyone else. Pathetic and weak

[keen wren]

Why are you mad?

[crimson beacon]

Question : How difficult is it to reach demigod?

[raw helm]

There is no reason to be upset, friend

[astral charm]

Pretty easy, just gotta grind treasure and mobs especially mini bosses. Then loot in hell only

[dry briar]

Prior to patch 68 i had never run a legendary item in high rollers. i used blue kits and sometimes epics. i have killed people in fulll unique and it felt rewarding as fuck knowing i outplayed them hard enough to makeup for the gear. Now it doesnt. Now a white gear player can kill you in full unique because they clicked first and nothing else

[crimson beacon]

That sounds too easy. What other incentives are there to the game if you buy it?

[silent laurel]

Anyone know where to find vod for the Darkest Hour podcast that just happened? Nothing on Somas YT or Twitch that I'm seeing.

[woeful plume]

Not really. So who gets to 'measure' the skill of everyone to see if they are allowed in HR dungeons? You seem to believe that just because your skill level is higher than 'timmy_01', you should be allowed access to content that he is not allowed to be in, even though you both paid the same amount of $$ for the game. That's some funny shit. 🙂

[raw helm]

DabThirty is either typing a novel or is the slowest typer in the known universe

[compact sandal]

Or they fell asleep on the toilet and their cat is tapping on the phone

[astral charm]

You can sell on the marketplace, queue up into HR, do arena, and I forget what else. I just know from what my friend gets restricted from lmao. Also getting to demi is more of a time consuming process than anything. Main risks are other players but they also reward the most AP

[dire cedar]

just a few more reviews and we might have mostly negative, les gooooooo

[main bronze]

i'm assuming you're new... there used to be fee's and gear score requirements to enter HR. That was for a reason. To make the end game content exactly that. END GAME. Again, just because you suck and complain about it doesn't mean you deserve a VIP pass to end game shit.

[raw helm]

your wpm is 2

[crimson beacon]

ok thanks. Does it show what number you are in world rank?

[valid oriole]

Bro sdf said a patch is coming today, they are going back, don't incentive more hate when they already said they would fix it

@keen wren not reverting, changing how gear is currently and making it matter more

[keen wren]

SDF already said they arent reverting

[astral charm]

Yea, on the leaderboard it’ll show your rank amongst everyone else’s. I feel like it’s worth buying but also that’s cause I mainly play HR

[dire cedar]

cope, push it to mostly neg, let them know it's a problem losing half the playerbase in 2 days

[valid oriole]

What the hell does cope even mean in this context, can't just throw it around like that man.
Regardless, they know and they're working at it, we've punished them enough. It's coming today, litteraly.

[cerulean wigeon]

[crimson beacon]

great thanks. ye normals is just too easy for me now, other than troll and spectral night bosses. (dont feel like learning to fight them) cyclops kinda easy.

[dire cedar]

it means you are a wishful thinker, cope. The patch isn't getting reverted.

[keen wren]

So immature. keep malding

[woeful plume]

I've been here since the beginning. It was people like you who's only response in here was 'skill issue', when people complained because they were coming in with new gear and getting waffle stomped by people like you in gold gear. Now, new gear is brought up a little bit in base stats and you are finding that you're getting killed a little more often....SKILL ISSUE. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Grow up.

[valid oriole]

Using that word again and not providing any argument, just hate. Like I said one message earlier, they're not reverting but making things better. I declare you sub iq, muted.

[ebon kite]

🍿

[astral charm]

Agreed that’s why I mainly play HR, cause the mobs are difficult with more moves and there are also the nightmare variants in addition to the elite variants. Shit gets scary when an axe skeleton is chasing you

[dire cedar]

cope

[raw helm]

brush your teeth

[main bronze]

I'm not getting killed more often... My whole complaint is that i'm stomping lobbies and vendoring all the gear because it's worthless.

[woeful plume]

So what? THAT is what you are complaining about? OMG sucks to be you. <sarcasm off>

[valid oriole]

You're not the age demographic for this game lil bro, you're like a pokemon only able to say a single word thinking it wins you every internet argument

[keen wren]

You're already muted lil bro. Go play with your legos in the corner while the grown ups talk

[dire cedar]

cope

[vivid pendant]

LOL

[raw helm]

erm you stink

[astral charm]

Nothing like a Shiba Inu arguing with a skateboarding wizard

[main bronze]

yeah... trying to argue with the participation trophy kid isn't gonna get me anywhere. Enjoy your free hand outs and getting spoon fed like an infant.

[raw helm]

go to the bathroom

[keen wren]

sigma alpha chad right here

[dire cedar]

he's voicing his opinion to someone who doesn't care about a single thought that's left his frontal cortex, it's more like a shiba inu barking at a wall

[woeful plume]

Thanks! Enjoy your pointless complaining.

[keen wren]

Opinions are indeed wasted on pea brains like yours

[dire cedar]

cope

[astral charm]

[main bronze]

you've sat here for over 20 minutes begging for attention using childish insults. So here is the attention you wanted. You happy now? You feel all warm and fuzzy inside now that your existence has been validated by a stranger on the internet?

[odd oxide]

Can't wait for the patch to be something else, it won't be a revert.

[keen wren]

@odd oxide I think it will make everybody a bit happier. At least improve how the looting feels and possibly increase stat disparity between rarities again

[odd oxide]

I hope it's one more attribute roll on all rarities. Have legendaries, uniques be able to roll duplicates.

[turbid pine]

I'd just like roll strength to be tied to rarity
Like a green spellbook that rolled 3 magical healing is far more valuable to a warlock than a purple one with 1 magical healing. That's a bit dumb

[spice mauve]

Just remove poor and unique rarities. white 3, green 3, blue 4, purple 5, yellow 6 for armor stats. That way you are buffing the pve experience and squish but bis has noticeable improvements

[odd oxide]

Having poor gear does make it a bit redundant

[keen wren]

What if we kept 5 on white but increased from there?

[nova mauve]

thats not a bad idea tbh, they could add more helpful/unique randoms to replace the "useless" ones they removed, and keep gear drops of blue or lower pretty common to get, but increase the rates of purple and higher in high rollers.

[spice mauve]

TTK goes crazy down might have to buff class hp like 40 across the board lol. Soft caps also need to be changed for stats

[dire cedar]

one more percent for mostly negative reviews, push it boys

[keen wren]

Why do you sound like two different people 🤣

[nova mauve]

this day we live in is fucking crazy lol

[zinc sky]

For wizard I suggest adding the number of spell charges of the corresponding school when choosing the desired perk. For example, if you choose Ice Mastery then this would add some amount of Ice bolt charges

[spice mauve]

Wizard should have a teleport spell

[nova mauve]

they should just remove spell charges and give wizard a reload per say "focus to recharge your x charges" and get rid of mediation, only takes like 12 seconds to get a full refill but having to sit still for 12 seconds being a complete sitting duck, with a blue glowing AoE around you with a camera angle that you cant move to look around sucks for feel of the class.

[wintry heron]

They should give cleric the ability to equip longsword, the class is boring with its available options for melee combat

[peak delta]

No class should have any teleport ability. Pure MS wizards, warlocks and warlocks are bad enough.

[idle grotto]

I will always play cleric

[keen wren]

I can imagine a teleport with a long cooldown as a skill could be balanced

[wintry heron]

But would you have fun with longsword cleric? Ask yourself that my good sir, I myself would have a great time and would not affect the balance of the class whatsoever

[keen wren]

My good sir I have never heard of an idea with more brilliance than yours.

Imagine.. Cleric + Longsword.. Paladin..?

[quaint sluice]

its so sad how bad this game got

[peak delta]

I personally think give them another mace that has more variation in swinging compared to 3 downwards strikes or change either the morning star or flanged maces swing pattern.
Or buff the war hammer so it's a viable choice be it by a slight increase in damage, an increase of range or a change to its swing pattern so it's not so easy to smack someones hand doing minimal damage ooorr maybe give the downwards strike a higher combo bonus, like 20-25%

What I think would be real cool, is if you could cast spells using a weapon of some sort, like the war maul or a shield.

[wintry heron]

Well paladin is coming in the future but who knows how long that will take. I’m guessing over a year

[cursive shale]

paladins are more sword and board kinda guys although the longswords in question are one handed and not akin to this games arming swords.
also-- actual explosive smites akin to victory strike but tend to be more limited since it eats from their spells

[peak delta]

We're still waiting on monk and sorcerer, I dare say youre being optimistic

[wintry heron]

Cleric +longsword+ Templar armour =badass holy knight a slayer of all evil. Skeleton warlord would shudder in fear of my might if sdf grants me this ability

[pliant tangle]

here we go again

[sour lily]

Alright boys are you ready for the +3 memory 8% spell memory daggers?

[peak delta]

Sounds like a paladin. I mean you literally say holy knight. I'm not disagreeing though, I'd love to have a Paladin in the game.

[keen wren]

base stats back to patch 68. We're cooked

[main bronze]

read it and weep my boy... read it and weep

[idle grotto]

Ye I said that cuz longsword cleric seems very fun

[unborn cape]

trap nerfs

[weary pasture]

w patch huh????????????

[brittle vault]

im slow so does this mean whites are dog again?

[arctic dirge]

Yup, it's gonna be the next class after Sorcerer and monk so its probably gonna take a long while

[oblique crypt]

we're so back

[quaint sluice]

Officially leaving the server and most likely deleting the game im sick of this shit ggs boys try not to be so toxic and have a great night

[main raven]

This just proves me right about how all the patch #69 complainers were just whiners rofl

@jade delta Wait thats a good point LMAO

[royal saffron]

w patch rangers crying rn

[jade delta]

WHERES THE 124GS BRACKET THO

[tawny robin]

how many players in game rn?

[floral pendant]

REMOVE UR NEGATIVE REVIEWS ON STEAM AND REPLACE WITH POSITIVE

[silent mauve]

Thank you sdf…

[cursive shale]

the gear has MEANING AGAIN

[sour lily]

Well I enjoyed having effective squire gear for 5 seconds.

[burnt moon]

basicly no point in running traps now LMAO

[wintry heron]

In the meantime give cleric longsword. When the time comes for paladin it would still be very different from cleric spell wise

[crimson beacon]

Affirmative

[stray swan]

no hp revert tho?

[oblique crypt]

never had more fun than when it was multiclass time and I was cleric running smite, flame blade, and crystal sword

[weary pasture]

caring for the game = whiner, yeah sure your daddy sdf also agrees this patch was a mistake like you

[main raven]

Traps are still useful, they just aren't instakills now.

I mean, what OTHER CC in this game lasts for 18 seconds? Thats insanity

@sour lily Reminds me of that one goated patch that nerfed high-end gear that lasted for about 48 hours due to all the streamers complaining

@weary pasture There's a difference between being upset and recommending everyone to drop negative steam reviews on a game thats very heavily a WIP due to ONE patch

[tawny robin]

traps were easily the worst design, most anti-fun item in the game. Game would actually be better by outright removing them and letting ranger suck than it is by having them in the game in their prior state.

[verbal tide]

so, patch, reverse...? 👉 👈

[grim compass]

So true

[keen wren]

Well shit

[jade delta]

@glad thunder did u forget to mention 124 gs bracket tho?

[plucky helm]

"similar levels" idk hopefully base attributes go back to normal

[burnt moon]

they could have atleast put the skill check on the traps again, now it's useless lmao , so no dmg and no duration XD. ohh i see a new guy who doesn't know anything about the good old days of first playtest

[muted verge]

Man you guys complained so hard they reverted the good change. Now all the no lifesand R M T will just be gear checking us. Static being the same across the board was so good.

[sharp prairie]

those were the people complaining I'm sure

[wintry heron]

I was cleric with longsword, it was super fun gameplay

[tawny robin]

yeah. it's good that they're useless now. Having traps as they were is worse than not having them at all. Consider yourself lucky.

[wraith olive]

W PATCH GG sdf!

[main raven]

They should just apply a decent slow and remove the root completely.

As for gear, all they really need to do was buff the stats on all gear, so high-end gear is still better than the low-end gear but the low-end gear still has solid stats. Even if Poor started at 2 STR, you could then have Common at 3 STR, Uncommon at 4 STR, etc, or start at 3 and do 3/4/5/6/7/8

[barren ingot]

all that update did was give the shitters a slight chance at getting a lick on some unsuspecting baller. The only ones who like it are the dog water players who wont touch HR because "Im not getting gear diffed" meanwhile they are make 100g per run in their sub 24 normals

[burnt moon]

traps are soooo damn easy to freaking avoid that must be a skill issue my guy LMAO

[oblique crypt]

it honestly does sound fun, frankly i'd love if they gave cleric a subclass perk like fighter with slayer or warlock with demon armor so we could have a bit more weapon variety than bonksticks

[leaden remnant]

@stark oracle

[sick fjord]

My Regular Interaction Speed build died for this patch. You're all welcome 😭

[tawny robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JOgLYn4yFY

[viral pebble]

Sdf shot John Wick’s dog btw

[digital zodiac]

FINALLY THE TRAP NERF HOLY SHIT THAT CAME OUT FOR THE BLUE

[sharp prairie]

Gear crunch needs to happen, but there's a large gray area between crunching the gear gap and entirely removing it.

[stark oracle]

wtf

[flint ingot]

I really hope they fully reversed the gear back to how it was or else I’m keeping my bad review, also they didn’t remove the HP nerf so that’s a shame

[timid basin]

Ironspork try not to backtrack every 3 seconds challenge impossible

[worldly flume]

SDF COOKED. revert the review bomb ASAP

[muted verge]

SDF lowered the gear gap so players who don't want to spend all their time on this game have a chance at beating shitters that do and take their shit.

[burnt moon]

LMAO timmies gonna be timmies dude, see skill issue

[sick fjord]

I feel like they could have just removed Magical Interaction Speed and left every other roll. Ah well, RIP opening doors quickly.

[wintry heron]

Honestly how hard would it be to give cleric a perk to equip bladed weapons, have it similar to the sword mastery perk of fighter. Ranger gets a perk to equip spear. Give cleric the same right!

[oblique crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[tawny robin]

I know you didn't watch the whole video man. I started when i posted it and i'm 3 mins in.

[flint ingot]

We must log on to make sure the gear changes are truly back to how it was before jumping to conclusions, their announcements can be deceiving

[wraith olive]

HELL YEAH CLERIC WITH LONGSWORD NEXT PLEASE !!!

[worldly flume]

hater vibes fr (im joking)

[karmic spade]

honestly throw us 2 blue shards for dealing with this bullshit mid season 🙂

[wintry heron]

I put a suggestion on the webpage! Check the suggestion discussion channel for link to upvote!

[sly furnace]

@glad thunder Reverting the gear was a mistake if you ever want there to be fair, and balanced PVP. It can't happen with the base attributes of gear is too different between rarities.

you know that a Wizard in all Uncommon gear, and a Wizard in all Epic gear are effectively different classes when base attributes of gear are so much higher on Epics.

it was also nice being able to use certain builds without having to farm for gear first. I see no reason why 10-Spell + Overload should be locked behind gear upgrades.

Doing these changes Mid-season is where you goofed. You should have waited until wipe.

Anyways. I'm still going to play this game, because it's awesome, but this was a silly rollercoaster, for no damn reason now.

[sick fjord]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxiOV5zZcoB3vk3RVj1BaApE5SBc68-Od2?si=FuasXYOtL3qgYlVJ

[robust vine]

Wait wait wait, from the patch, returning item gaps i.e the Legendary ring giving vigor 5 instead of 1/2. have you re-decreased item drops so i wont get legendaries or uniques as often?

Ill be honest I DO NOT WANT them to lower gear drops, i got my first unique ever finally i dont want to never see them again LUL

[chrome haven]

I just finished a game with 4x one hit kills as barbarian PVP is so fair and balanced right now

[ionic dawn]

The level of gear drops solves the majority of the gear gap issue

[keen wren]

Hear hear 👏👏

[muted verge]

Patch 68-1 is perfect if he reverted the HP change and some barb buffs. Then gave legendarys sockets and less chances to have bad rolls.

[robust vine]

in the past 2 days, ive gotten 6 one shot kills, ive have GS 300 and got munted by a rupture spam throwable rogue. and then tanked an entire missle volley from a mage while PDR and next to no MDR.

Game is unbalanced as hell rn tf you on about

[sour lily]

You are unbelievably unobservant.

[trim kettle]

Good update but as a ranger the trap thing sucks but we also have less health

[lime elbow]

its almost like there was endgame before the patch ruined it huh. the game will go back to meaning instead of fighting for no loot like a deathmatch or br game. most people here play dnd for the looter extraction not dm/br style game.

[keen wren]

god damnit. do it then. rub it in

[worthy wagon]

BUFF CLERIC

[timber remnant]

IMMA CREEEEEEEEEEEAM!! SDF FINALLY FUCKING COOOOOOOOOOOKED!!!! (We still need to check the stats....) BUT IT SEEMS LIKE HE COOOOOKED!! @keen terrace I think none of the rolls should have been removed me personally but I dont mind if both interaction speeds stay gone

[keen terrace]

How hard is it to leave memory cap rolls on caster eq?

[sly furnace]

I didn't say it was fair or balanced right now. Its not. This community is far too hysterical about everything.

The point is that there was finally a baseline that they could balance from.

Wizard is the perfect example class for this. Everyone knows, base-kit wizard is a terrible experience. But geared Wizards are terrifying.

This happens because they can't balance the high-end and low-end at the same time because of how damn different they are

[proud geyser]

Can we go back to playtest #1 please

[crude berry]

Don't they have blunt weapon mastery?

[sour lily]

Can we have some patch notes that arent CRYPTIC BULLSHIT?

[muted verge]

I agree 100% just need to revert the HP change. The ppl who cry about gear being the same are the ppl that live on this game and want a clear advantage over ppl because they suck at the game.

[jade delta]

TAKE DOWN UR BAD REVIEWS

[wintry heron]

Yeah but I want to run longsword on cleric. It would give good variety and fun to a boring support class

[keen terrace]

Getting legendaries with 2x memory cap rolls, 1 hp 1 cast speed and interaction speed was infuriating

[worthy wagon]

WE NEED BUFF DURATION BACK

[frigid latch]

ITS NOT WHAT YALL THINK.
THEY ARE ONLY BRINING BACK ARMOR STATS NOT THE PDR OR THE WEAPON DAMAGE. L PATCH YET AGAIN. JUST BRING US BACK TO PATCH 68.

[hard roost]

@slow nymph then go 24 lobbies wtf are u talking about @sly furnace TARKOV?

[timber remnant]

I'm so sorry. But in an extracion looter game. You WILL be gear diffed. It isn't supposed to be fair. Get better, learn how to farm, or learn how to outplay with the worse gear. Its like crying because you only have prapor lvl 1 weapons going against a lvl 50 chad. PLAY THE GAME, GET BETTER, PUT IN THE WORK!

[sly furnace]

Except the end-game was just farming until you got god-like kits, and destroying people who didn't have them. I don't want to hear about how gear diff is fine, because it's not. Online pvp games die when they playes feel like it's not fair.

This game has been losing players for the past year because the PvP isn't anything remotely resembling fair. There can be a difference in gear, without it being completely busted.

[zenith arch]

He did some good changes but left the low time to kill so wiz/ranger will still be on top which will further decline the pop

[ebon kite]

🍿

[subtle heart]

W PATCH

[neon tiger]

do people not know how to dodge? i dont get it...

[sour lily]

I'm glad I farmed good rolls on my weapons while I knew the only modifiers I could get were weapon centric. Thanks for the free advantage SDF.

[weary pasture]

Man this patch made me lazy, didn't loot for a while

[olive frigate]

went from playing 50-100 hours a week to playing pub g... not cool

[jade delta]

remove ur bad reviews

[crimson beacon]

DND IS BACK! DO YOUR PART, CHANGE YOUR REVIEW ON STEAM

[thin cave]

W PATCH

[keen terrace]

@jade delta Make me.

[loud roost]

Yall brought the game you “love” down to a 41% recommended. Yall don’t care about the game literally whatsoever

[hard roost]

🇼 🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭

[timber remnant]

Passion can make a man do wild things.

[tribal zodiac]

Imho it would be fine if there is 24-125 lobby, with restriction above 225. Like you have to go HR if you have 225+ 🙂

[muted verge]

There's only -24 and that should be for new players. I want to play HR where the best loot in the game is and actually have a chance at winning fights with out having to sink in a huge time investment. I don't have the time to farm out 5-10k gold kits.

[tribal yoke]

they changed "duration changed" of traps what does that mean, like how long it takes to put it down or long it takes until they break? do traps break by themselves?

[sly furnace]

There wont be a game for you to loot in if this is how you think online games are supposed to be designed.

I know you think only people who suck, and don't know how to get gear have the opinion that i have, but it isn't true. I've got plenty of gear. I've got a dope arena kit that got destroyed by the patch, just like you. I crafted it with hard-work just like you. But i also understand that if we make this game too competive we will kill it.

[spare rampart]

WHAT ABOUT ALL THE GEAR I HAD THAT GOT THE ROLLS CHANGED.

[keen wren]

And they caved so now every time they want to change something, guess what happens.

RIP sdfs vision and other good things that could have come from it. The simpletons and bullies win

[weary pasture]

Toxic community, spamming was already enough

[rugged belfry]

back to not playing this game, losing every fight to people who put 10-15k gold into gear and play 60 hrs a week even if you play better isnt fun

[olive frigate]

this fixes nothing, the only good parts of the patch are going away, so they just ruined my inventory twice for legit nothing

[hot heron]

sucks to suck

[loud roost]

Yeah the game will not get bigger than its community. It’s sad, really. Many games have changed the direction they built to cater towards casuals (which is most players). Now the game is designed for unemployed and kids

[hard rock]

Did they fix the game?

[sly furnace]

Bunch of people in here who think this game is supposed to be medieval slot machines. It's absolute lunacy. OMG I WANT MY DOPAMINE HIT FROM EPIC STAT-LINES!!!!

[hexed shell]

I actually liked the squire gear having stats. RIP

[lime elbow]

they have 24gs lobby for a reason... if u dont want to grind for anything you can play that

[hard roost]

@sour lily do you know when everyone has +5 vigor or +1 it doesnt matter because that is competitive always???? GO PLAY 24GS

[keen wren]

Really disappointing

[modern wraith]

I feel like the recent update has a lot of embarrassing points.,The new content of the 2 bosses on the first floor of the dungeon takes too long to kill the benefits that the boss should have.,I hope to reduce the boss HP to reduce the boss kill time.,There are also class balance issues.,Warlocks,Druids,Barbarians are the best examples.,It seems to be weaker than the original.,Why don't you bring more content and fun to us with new mechanics and skills.,Instead of the enhanced balance of numerical classes, I'd rather have a game where we have multiple mechanics and genres, and there is restraint between factions, rather than just numerical crushing

[sour lily]

Squire gear with competitive stats made just playing the game and trying things fun.

[timber remnant]

The thing is most people who liked the patch like you don't play as much as you and were casuals who only played games a few hours a day or week. The devs should not be catering to people who aren't even invested in the game. And I've spoken to a few new players who actually knew what the game was about and wanted to farm and get loot too. Just because you don't think it's good doesn't mean everyone agrees. A majority of people wanted some type of change or some type of revert. You are part of the vocal minority calling for this game to be a fair battle royale esports game with absolutely fair playing fields for everyone participating. YET THE CLASSES OF THE GAME COUNTER EACH OTHER MAKING CERTAIN FIGHTS UNFAIR AS A PRINCIPLE! WHY ARE YOU SO FOCUSED ON GEAR BEING FAIR WHEN CLASSES AREN'T!? An example would be fighters and wizards. If a fighter builds full pdr like they normally do. They get NUKED by magic users. Barbarians are destroyed by range. Bards are destroyed by pdr fighters. THE LIST GOES ON!!!

[weary pasture]

So you want to compete to those who play more than you? Sounds like a skill issue, know how to loot and get a decent gear to fight

[barren trellis]

So the last 3 updates timespan is just removing the 15hp from all characters?XDDDD
Dear devs, u are running around your own tail, instead of creating new content and gameplay systems, u are just clueless about your vision
Please start thinking about your development plan moving forward, because people are gonna get bored if u only change numbers, and then go back to reverting them, this is bad software development practice

[hard roost]

bruh i saw skilled people go from 0 to 300k gold from fists and ur telling me u do have skill but only when ur even? 😄

[sly furnace]

Yep, they're literally allows the direction of the game to be dictated by people who will never let this game grow. They enjoy the dopamine GACHA element more than actually playing.

I got dopamine from fighting, playing, the reward of playing IS PLAYING. Getting cool gear in chests, and off PKs was just the cherry on top.

[lime elbow]

right on the nail.

[modern wraith]

@zinc sparrowI feel like the recent update has a lot of embarrassing points.,The new content of the 2 bosses on the first floor of the dungeon takes too long to kill the benefits that the boss should have.,I hope to reduce the boss HP to reduce the boss kill time.,There are also class balance issues.,Warlocks,Druids,Barbarians are the best examples.,It seems to be weaker than the original.,Why don't you bring more content and fun to us with new mechanics and skills.,Instead of the enhanced balance of numerical classes, I'd rather have a game where we have multiple mechanics and genres, and there is restraint between factions, rather than just numerical crushing

[muted verge]

O you can't spend the time investment to farm out 5k kits so you don't get farmed in HR. I guess go play in the normally lobby while we no lifeers get the HR lobby where all the best shit drops. Yeah super fair and how you will bleed players overtime.

[jovial bear]

if you dont have the time to grind because you work alot, dosnt mean we have to change the whole gfame for you, find a better game that suits your lifestyle, wtf ? u big tim

[crude berry]

It's a looting game. The recent patch basically eliminated the need to loot because there was no real edge. The free white gear was basically just as good. With the change there was tons of pvp because no one was afraid to lose anything because nothing had value. Got boring fast because what was the reward for killing other teams? Literally nothing. No point to earn gold for a 5% kit buff. It eliminated half the game

[flint dune]

so basically we have a shit version of patch 68 now?

[thin cave]

Remember to change ur steam reviews

[spare rampart]

iTS FUNNY HOW PEOPLE ARE. EVERYBODY HATES THE PATCH AND BELITTLES SDF AND NOW EVERYONES UPSET ITS GETTING MESSED WITH. GROW THE FUCK UP PEOPLE.

[rugged belfry]

doesnt apply to him, he would need a job to understand having a life lmfao

[sour lily]

Reading comprehension skills still a bit below average I see.

[wraith olive]

Patch 69 split the playerbase so badly its not even funny @timber remnant So true brother

[weary pasture]

Lol what kind of logic is that,
" i don't want to invest my time getting good loot"
"I want to be equal to those who invest their time in the game without doing anything"
Yeah lol

[hard roost]

But man ur that guy that doesnt wanna grind???? Then why are u playing this game when this game is grind? When u came in this game it was grind so what are you talking about? find a game that fits ur lifestyle if u dont wanna grind?

[lime elbow]

super easy to farm 5k kits if you know how to play the game. people love to skip to endgame without doing anything. it's like starting a game and skipping to the end right away because you refuse to learn the game.

[timber remnant]

Thats why you dont introduce a major community dividing change IN THE MIDDLE OF A WIPE WITH NO WARNING WHAT SO EVER!

[dense pawn]

That pretty much sums it up...

I am truly disappointed by this patch... instead of going forward toward a different gear system, main dev caves in to general chat complainers, youtubers and streamers. This sets a precedent that we will always have loud people complaining about whatever they don't like even if it's half baked and requires more work. Let's not forget, the happiest people about this change are: gold selling mafia, their customers and the 10h/day grinders who gear check everyone. Why revert all the way with the gear squish? Why is it one extreme or the other? I'm glad the interaction rolls are gone, though....

Also, doing this change without bringing back <125 lobbies is just lame. Back to everyone getting gear checked in above 25 lobbies. Timmies are stuck to <25, but not only that: a lot of high skill players will be playing <25 now because it's a more level playing field.

-15hp is the change I disliked the most and it stays. So I guess the 2 tap meta stays.

As is tradition, when Ironmace tweak something, it often times becomes OP or unusable. Ranger traps just became a meme. It's pretty obvious to all of us they don't care much for balance when they should have at least 1 dedicated employee figuring it out...

What is this "vision"? Is it just a mirage? Are we just getting the game no life general chat spammers want and that's it?

[sly furnace]

You need to understand that the people like US, who will put thousands of hours into a game, aren't an ecnomically viable market to sustain the long-term life of a game.

IM needs intends for this game to last 10 years. It won't if they build it to cater to the crazy people like us (2600hrs)

[ocean eagle]

why does updating make the entire game offline for like 2-4 hours. why is this even a thing? I have never played a game except for a private minecraft server that does this. Is this entire game run like a private minecraft server?

+Let me be clear.
-This shouldnt be a thing, for a game this big.

[jovial bear]

im the guy who dosnbt complain about a game thats 25% done lol, thats the guy i am, you guys first name is Tim

[crude berry]

It's high roller
High risk high reward.
If you spend 5K on a kit and lose it. It's kind of on you. You could have just as easily spent 1K or 2K on a kit. You chose to run best in slot to increase your chances at a reward. You risked it yourself.

[flint dune]

i feel like the devs are emotional and have goldfish brains, the rangers were OP because of patch 69, now they revert to patch 68 but gutted ranger. like. it just baffles me how these devs have no line of thought shorter than a day.

[thin cave]

DND IS BACK! DO YOUR PART, CHANGE YOUR REVIEW ON STEAM

[keen wren]

Preach. We got the worst of both patches

[hard roost]

@dense pawn yeah bro ur so cool, can i ask you? are you doing promotion for this server? i dont think so

[timber remnant]

The game can and will be eventually sustained by microtransactions from loyal players, because I'm sorry. But the big resurgence of this games player base like the first few playtests will not happen to the extent you think it will. This game will never see 6 digits players again let alone anything above 75k HELL 50k. @ocean eagle Very good point that no one ever brings up

[jade delta]

wtf are u yapping about, u need to finish 3 dungeons to get bis gear for 124 gs lobbies. if u cant do that idk why u even play dnd

[muted verge]

Other than the way to fast TTK what was so bad about 69-1? There was rarity progression. SDF should have never folded beyond that. I bet if he did this patch at the end of the season and gave legendry's gem sockets/raised the TTK you would have been fine with it. SKILL>Time investment. YOU need higher TTK for Skill to be in play.

[ocean eagle]

i think the players experience with gear of higher values has made PVE easier, and thats what makes many players enjoy it more. With low level gear being better (like you go in full set of epic rarity gear) pve is much much easier.

also 124gs lobbies dont exist anymore. there are 2 gs brackests. >24 and <24

[zenith arch]

That's what i was saying. I takes them 1 patch to ruin the game so they can fix it in the next 3-4 patches. So much development time lost. Or maybe they are doing this on pourpose so they don't have to work on the game.

[rapid vapor]

The rarity progression was so small it was effectively meaningless

[mighty shuttle]

The barbarian did not need be nerfed it was already challenging too move and use the axe specialization perk they ruined the game experience for me

[olive frigate]

Sad days for my ex favorite game

[hexed shell]

couldn't agree more the gameplay is very fun as it stands. I understand it might get boring after thousands of hours which is where most of the people who are complaining are coming from Id imagine but that's why I would like to see more new skills or reworks of unused skills on classes like rogue, fighter, etc instead of new maps (although new maps are great aswell, dont get me wrong but they come with queuetime problems for lower population regions etc). or develop more in depth combat mechanics like kicking or more weapons with parrys, etc
that stuff would keep the game more fresh and in a more healthy way. the last patch was way more new player friendly with the better squire gear

[dense pawn]

No, you go play wizard on base kit gear, and see how good/fun it is 😉

@jade delta 124gs is gone. I don't want to have to grind 10h/day or pay for gold to be competitive. A gear squish is needed, they shouldn't have reverted all the way

[timber remnant]

Seeya. If you were a casual player that only played to pvp and didnt sink the time to try and learn more about the game and delve further into learning the pve to get better gear then good riddance. 24< gear score lobbies exist for casuals like you for a reason.

[spare rampart]

@crimson beaconIRONMACE Bots?

[hard roost]

then dont grind at all and stay in squire whats hard to understand about 24gs is same as patch69

[sly furnace]

Lol they say these thing slike oh stay in the Timmy lobbies, but the low gear lobbies cant even learn the game, because most of it is locked behind the stas provided by higher end gear.

[jade delta]

100% sure they simply forgot to mention it, cuz the update is pointless without it

[fading helm]

cause pvp is straight casual and not compettetive at all compared to pve. ur very smart

[muted verge]

You spend 1k or even 2k on a kit and you will just be farmed by 5k-10k kits every single time. There's almost zero skill expression when you 1-2 shot everything.

[dense pawn]

<25gs is poorly balanced, some classes are terrible there and only get good with gear

[lime elbow]

you can do bosses and loot in 24g just like in hr. you can easily learn all the loot spot and bosses in 24gs. in fact its easier since the mob/boss is easier to learn

[timber remnant]

I like how you immediatly went to casual and competetitive like Im talking about esports you brainlet. I mean casual as in hops in plays for an hour or two then hops off. Absolutely ZERO reading comprehension from you Timmy

[drowsy hinge]

this is wild

[upper stone]

They need to add a proper tutorial into the game and have some onboarding experience if they want to attract new players. There is a lack of direction and goals for new players to pursue as they don’t know anything about the game

[hard roost]

Btw gear is so easy obtainable rn.. i legit find uniques from lionheads in hell thats 30m of playtime if u cant invest into 4 hours to get gear then just play squire

[sly furnace]

You're not even having the same conversation as the rest of us. Get lost man. I'm talking about core game design philisophy and you're sitting here still thinking this is conversation to brag about how good you are at the game.

[sour lily]

All the toxic gear trash is here to brag about having no life. Lmao.

[fading helm]

for sure cause im supposed to know exactly what you mean from your vague explanation. btw most people have jobs and familys and can only play for one to 2 hours yet still take the time they spend on the game very serious and try yo progress, great input tho timmy

[woven bear]

why did they nerf rage but leave the pdr debuff untouched lmao

[timber remnant]

I have a part time job, and full time in school. Get better. It's not my fault you can't or the other people complaining can't.

[rugged belfry]

fr, just admit you have no gf and sit in mummys basement eating doritos with 5 empty boxes of tissues next to you

[lost vine]

no time to play DAD? play a different game. the end.

[sly furnace]

Again, you damn fools actually think you're amazing at the game, and anyone who thinks differently just can't comprehend your greatness. This is about game design philisophy, not how good you are at this game, which is not that hard to be good at.

[olive frigate]

major gear changes should come at wipe time. solves all issues.

[muted verge]

what you said makes zero sense. Everyone is 1 shotting everyone at a really low gear score. Zero shitters in this game because it's all just 1-2 shot. Everyone is a shitter.

[lime elbow]

2 hrs you can make enough gold to buy a decent kit. as long as you arent dying non stop of course. you should be doing fine

[dry briar]

i got 2 unique items in my last 2 runs. one on fucking 2nd floor crypts. If you cant get gear you are simply bad at the game. nerfing it so gear doesnt matter didnt do anything but remove depth

[neon nacelle]

IRONMACE

Don't forget 15 hp and hp on gear
Don't forget 124 lobbies
Don't forget HR 225

[timber remnant]

Lmao I know I'm shit but I'm willing to keep playing to learn and get better. If you aren't willing to put in the time that's fine. Not every game needs to be accessible to everyone. Not all games need to be fair. A game that caters to everyone caters to no one. A game that tries to appease everyone will be doomed to fail from the start.

[ember elbow]

when we can start play?? in 30 min?

[sour lily]

Taking stats from squire gear just makes it harder to try out different stat distributions.

[ocean eagle]

ok dont be adouche about it. are you mad cause your mommy left you alone on the internet and your favorite game if offline? jeez man. I only said that they like that the mobs are easier. this is #game-discussion where i discuss the game. If you want your precious numbers back then suggest something else dont just be an ass about it. I suggest that if they want to make the timmies happier, then make the mobs easier for them in "their shitter lobbies". Touch grass dude.

[supple condor]

IRONMACE

Don't forget 15 hp and hp on gear
Don't forget 124 lobbies
Don't forget HR 225

[rugged belfry]

even 2 hours of grinding for 1 good run attempt is ridiculous, like how do yall say this with a straight face

[drowsy hinge]

So does this mean theres a new vision for the game?

[grand solar]

instead of 124 lobbies can we get 200 lobbies tho thx

[solid nymph]

God please bring back 124s

[lime elbow]

then dont play high tier lobby where's there's high risk.... how does that not make sense to people. stay 24 or 124 lobby where its closer and cheaper

[sly furnace]

im 2600hrs deep man. just stop acting like im just not cut-out for it. I'll be in the dungeons the same as i ever was. Im pointing out that if we want more people in the dungeons, more people to take good kits from, we need to allow the game to become more accessible to more players.

There aren't enough of us.

[spiral mica]

😔

[muted verge]

Fuck that the 225 HR was dumb as hell.

[lost vine]

i literally dont understand why people are whinnin about grinding in a LOOTER game lmao just hop on somethin else

[sour lily]

Naked high roller is my god given right.

[loud roost]

At least someone has a brain. I keep saying, the hardcore community/unemployed community is very very small. It feels big, because at times where there are complaints, they are the first ones to complain

[shell root]

Facts

[timber remnant]

There are quite a lot of us. But I seriously don't agree that the game NEEDS to be more accessible. I don't think any games NEEDS to be accessible to everyone.

[dense pawn]

45 mins if you want to escape, and going to inferno means pve only, it gets boring after a while...

@sly furnace I guarantee <25 lobbies will be full of 300+ fame players now, because it's either <25 or the rest.

@shrewd kelpI understand the fact that you support gear checking. Easy kills to boost your ego. Gear needs to be simplified and squished, it's the worst learning curve in the game. Game progression right now is: learn pve -> understand gear -> learn pvp. No player retention if we don't simplify the middle. Also, I am sick of coin flipping in every HR encounter: what will it be? A guy in random roll purples or an ultra geared chad with +hp on everything? Only one way to find out, go all in... It's basically gambling and a lot of people are addicted to it

[thin cave]

DND IS BACK! DO YOUR PART, CHANGE YOUR REVIEW ON STEAM

[dull nacelle]

Unemployed is spot on lmfao

[tepid quarry]

Yes, vocal minority it feels like. It's also emotionally driven response to complain here, I'd say.

[lime elbow]

225 is fine. you dont want people with no gear queing up on high roller like they are doing now. that just mean when you run to people they have no gear and they take a spot of people who could be geared

[sly furnace]

Lol it feels big because we're always here. we're terminally online. Like how many people do you really think there are that will average 4hr of sleep to grind a video game?

[hard roost]

Im gonna say it once more. u can legit go watch people do from 0 gold to 300k with fist in HOUR!! so ur telling me that its not possible to kill "gear checkers"? bruh that delusional.. its all about skill

[ocean eagle]

maybe you tagged the wrong person. i've not complained about gear diffs.

[marble marten]

Time to take a hiatus till they sort the head devs brain out

[solid nymph]

Should we not be allowed to honestly review a game in fear of it failing? Removing all the negative reviews will remove the pressure to improve upon this mid wipe mess

[loud roost]

There’s just no possible way for a casual to beat an unemployed person in patch 68 and before. I mean, the difference of literally double the stats. Gearchecking has never been fun, for any game ever. I agree there needs to be s difference, but not 1 vigor vs 5 vigor for a singular piece. Then you add on exponential like extra rolls, it becomes a joke

[timber remnant]

Dueces

[grand solar]

just cap pdr at 60% easy solution

[weary pasture]

It's refreshing watching the hearts beat the jester

[tepid quarry]

People felt like they're grinding their bum off for the ability to win PVP by default by having gear, not necessarily having skill. Now that was negated and some feel invalidated. No wonder people are upset, haha.

[undone peak]

ik plenty of employed people that will wipe hr lobbies. your coping.

[shell root]

Listen to this Man. Ironmace should not develop this game around jobless sweatlords who play it 24/7.. the pvp still is not accessible at all for newcomers and is the reason many quit fast

[dull nacelle]

I agree, they should add gear brackets cause now people in 25+ and HR will just gearcheck anything. They forgot to add that in this patch which will be problematic for sure

[wraith olive]

This game's pvp has never been accessible it has a big learning curve, lowering ttk makes it even worse for new players

[narrow rivet]

So I've been having this game on hold for like, what, 2-3 months? I come here and lurk from time to time when there's a new patch and/or update and see what's changed and what people think. People still seem to complain about everything, all the time, just like before.

So can we deduct from this, that the game will never be good enough and whatever the devs do, it will be met with some level of resistance? Can we even expect anything fruitful to come out of the project at this point anymore? Or what are we expecting anyway, at this point?

[dense pawn]

More hours than you and I agree. Also, I want my 10-20h noob friends to want to pick up the game again. In this state right now, I'd say it's worse than patch 68. I'm waiting for that time when the game is in a nice state so I can say "hey, wanna try going for a few dungeon runs again?"... but I just keep waiting... Gear squish was the right direction. If they just cater to loud people in chat, who just spam all day and are toxic (both to devs and to players) then the game is going in the wrong direction IMO.

[lost vine]

@shell root what? dude people still have jobs and go to school lmao. if you're not using your time effectively ofc you're gonna get ran over

[weary pasture]

Going forward is okay, backward is not

[loud roost]

Not only that but it’s frustrating for new players . Anyone that says otherwise is in disillusion to reality. Getting gear to finally test out the potential of your class , to die to someone that spent 20 hours out of the day farming to get ahead of you

[civic elm]

Yeah honestly I didn’t mind this patch especially for new players. There was a big p2w and grind community that didn’t want to accept the arena guys coming from casual games like CS and Valorant. In some sense this means that competitiveness in this game is not ever going to be there since it lowers gateway to entry.

[drowsy hinge]

reverting updates is cringe

[undone peak]

if you think you cant be employed and be good at dnd its a skill issue. learn mechanics and think harder. i have 3600 hours and know people with less than 1k who are chads at pvp in hr. just because it hasnt clicked with you doesnt mean its a gear cap or its out of your reach.

[sly furnace]

Yep. They finally did something that would probabaly bring people like you back (4-5 of friend came back) and the community lost it's mind because they want to gear check everyone after farming wyvern for 20 hours in a week, and crafting frosty gear.

[solid nymph]

That's what the >25 lobbies are for, and >124 when they add them back. Jobless Sweatlords should in theory be less abundant there. And there's always the option of disengaging when you see someone's cracked out of their gourd

[sour lily]

Arena letting me grind pvp until I can skillcheck people forever is going to make me feel great.

[fading helm]

take longbow out the game i just wiped another lobby w it -_-

[grand solar]

what he's saying is that forward or backwards, it's only been complaints historically so what's the point

[astral charm]

That 5 second cooldown in general chat was wild 😭

[weary pasture]

No one would complain if the patch was actually and not delusionly W. There might be hate if a big change happens but after some time it usually calms down but in this case, it's shit day one and it's still nkw

[civic elm]

Anyone know if double additional move speed coming back? Because I personally don’t want to see 3-4K p2w boots.

[loud roost]

It’s not about you, your skill level or personal employment. It’s based off the fact that generally most people play 20-30 hours a week on games. You have 3600 hours. Which means it takes an average joe 2 years to get to your point to apparently become good enough to not die lol. They are deleting skill level when they add a huge disparity in gear.

[narrow rivet]

Yatzee.

[drowsy hinge]

so have 12 matchmaking pools? Thats a horrible idea.

[shell root]

No

[tepid quarry]

Preach.

[grand solar]

I'm in favor of -250 because it has more building options than -124. -124 is like green armor with 1 green weapon so I can't build much of anything

[muted verge]

I will explain it. No one wants to grind the snicklefrits lobby. They want HR loot but they cant keep their loot because no Life's with insane gear 1-2 shot them out of existence. You can't overcome the gear gap in this game with skill if the enemy is 1-2 shotting you. If you can't understand that fundamental problem you have brain rot. @lime elbow 225 gear score on HR is bad because ppl want to go in with nothing so they can spend their time looting good loot and sure they will have to run from geared teams but their time is being spent more effectively because normal loot sucks. Besides that ppl were just buying cheat dags or staffs to get in anyway.

[sly furnace]

"OMG dead lobbies" i hear people crying in the distance..... you guys are on a loop i swear....

[versed mantle]

Glad the game is at least saved. Wait is the -15%hp still gonna stick ?

[solid nymph]

I don't complain about dead lobbies, and considering the recurrent playerbase pre Patch 69#, there should be more than enough players to fill each gear bracket

[weary pasture]

Meh you will get over it

[sour lily]

How about now that -124 is gone we remove THE FUCKING MAP ROTATION?

[loud roost]

Highly doubt the player count will rise much. It’s been dying since day 1 of wipe. Like usual

[undone peak]

it took me above 2k hours to be able to handle my own in hr and i still wiff alot. im honestly a little above mid. ive sold 7 bags in a day building kits because i kept dying. shit happens

[tepid quarry]

It's flat 15HP (not%) no? And I have no idea, haha.

[sly furnace]

It’s been dying since day 1 of wipe. Like usual

I wonder what keeps causing this... every single wipe...

[fading helm]

ye cus going player base went down so it was terrible is alot of thinking about it XD

[solid nymph]

Gradual decline is to be expected, that's why new content releases are so important. The sooner we get over this hurdle that is gear optimization, the sooner we can buff the player base back up with Sorc/Quivers/Etc.

[loud roost]

2k hours , spent 50-60 k building kits. You’re going to kill the game when you don’t have new players playing
@gentle token stop spreading misinformation.

[undone peak]

you can go gc and mine gold and make 1k from gold alone in 1 run. add getting bis drops and your looking at 2-3k gold a run without troll pelt. a good run with pelt and ore is over 5k. not including drops

[narrow rivet]

I admit, I put this game on the backburner for now, because it simply was too difficult for me. 100+hrs in and all I could do was to sweat and get frustrated. Balancing seemed to be the main issue for me (also skill issue, yeah yeah). Mobs were damage sponges and the difference in skill in every lobby was too wide. Progress was very, very slow and didn't seem worth my time grinding for hours just to get nowhere.

This was also my first PvEvP extraction looter and it just might be the genre just isn't for me, since there are thousands who enjoy it.

[tepid quarry]

Yes, some current players might dislike it, but game balance-wise, that patch is/was better for the game's future overall. Reverting is just giving in to people that want to gear/grind check people.

[lime elbow]

ok why do they want HR loot if they dont want gear gap? I barely do pve and i have half a mil in gold (liquid). so how did i get all these good loot if i dont pve? hmmm something don't seem right. having no gs to join HR is terrible. I already explained. if i go in HR mode I expect to pvp people with gear. if everyone goes naked they will take spots from people with gear.

[muted verge]

https://steamcharts.com/app/2016590

[shell root]

New players ain’t killing both bosses and mine the gold.. this is again a sweat Lord strat to farm and nothing that’s accessible for new to 100h players to grind

[weary pasture]

When i first started playing the game which is recently, i complained about being dying always to geared no lifers whenever I had the chance to enter hr, but then i discovered there was a 125 and 25 lobbies that i can fight in and mostly have a fair fight, yeah smurfs but better than no chance of winning.
THAT is fair

[tight sun]

im so happy p2w is back in the game time for chinise gold farmers to sell gold on sites again . devs are so dumb

[loud roost]

There is only a 24 lobby

[sly furnace]

They don't get it. They think farming is skill, and that it entitles them to god-like powers against other players who don't farm wyvern/troll to get gear.

[dense pawn]

You are delusional if you think that just happens. The click bait got to you. How much gold did you make this wipe?

@shrewd kelp It is part of the game, less than before, but we could go a bit further with the gear squish. PDR fighter is just one small element in a big puzzle. The problem is gear diff - difference from low gear to high gear. It's just too much, IMO. We got used to gear checking like this, but I truly believe it would be a better experience for all of us if they switched it up. Too bad they listen to everyone crying for their dopamine fix instead of focusing on evolving their game.

Dark and darker was already stale in patch 68. They just made gear more accessible in the dungeon. But it's still such an unnecesarily bloated system. Why have 7 rarities? Why have someone in really good gear 1 tap someone in bad gear and barely take any damage? It's just lame and it puts many people off. I played a lot in the past year, but I have other IRL stuff to do. I will not be playing DaD if I either have to grind a lot to get even a chance to survive PvP. <25 is just lame as it is and does not represent the game.

[main wing]

It feels like since people have discovered the power of longbow ranger that wizard is having a rough time, If i get headshot I die instantly a good % of the time so picking wizard over ranger for my trios seems like a really hard choice to make, even when we're against barbs etc

[knotty finch]

They keep thinking that adjusting the numbers on gear is enough to make the game good when that's all they've really been doing for years now. They need to start actually introducing new mechanics to add depth to the combat and gameplay and REWARD players for using them. Like being able to choose your direction of attack in a combo with any weapon so you can always start with a stab or overhead and then follow up with another. Allowing all weapons to block and introducing a timed block mechanic so even if something has terrible impact resist it can still block certain things if you time it well. Make PvE actually have mechanics you need to engage with instead of cheesing it but also more rewarding to engage with. I mean mini-bosses are practically a joke as long as you have a staircase to cheese them with, and some don't even require that.

[tepid quarry]

Can I get a refund if patch is reverted? I just bought Legendary today, just because of the new patch...

[snow swallow]

kinda disappointed they removed 125 lobbies. I actually liked the idea of having a lobby with mid tier equipment that you could be in 'bis' for relatively cheaply

[undone peak]

if you cant kill gc boss's you shouldnt leave under 24 tbh. gc boss's are literally so easy. when i learned them i most certainly died to pvp if i seen someone. shouldn't be complaining about a grind if you can't kill the 2 easiest boss's who actually can make you the most gp/hr

[keen wren]

Im glad to see there are so many people who could see where Patch 69 was leading and the potential for a much better game. Sad times for game development when they get coerced into making changes by a vile community

Long term, the game will never achieve the success it could have, because SDF has no backbone to see his vision through

[lost vine]

I see your point. The thing is that WE ALL were new at one point and for many it was about sticking through the thick of it to be better. I do understand that for some that isnt the most attractive learning curve but THAT atleast to me is a hardcore game. Yes in the longrun the player base wont ever expand so in the end its almost impossible to satsify both casual and the competitive players.

[charred moss]

based

[sly furnace]

There's a difference between can't kill the boss, and being unwilling to do it 20 times a day.

[weary pasture]

Respect for going forward but clearly sdf was in the wrong direction, it was foggy that day but hopefully his vision is clear now

[plush agate]

Loot means something again?! Hell yeah! I can play the game again

[scenic leaf]

pog we got what we rebelled for

[wanton otter]

gear checking brainlessly back in the game?

[keen wren]

We got the worst of both patches with 69-2. L patch and L SDF

[snow swallow]

mordhau swordplay when?

[compact lion]

SDF im still not happy with you changing our gear that we crafted for this season for arena and then just revert it

[wraith olive]

They should focus less on numbers and balance and start adding new content, Arena is fun and should be available at all times for those who enjoy pvp more

[tepid quarry]

Yes, you can 'win' PVP by default, because of gear.

[magic cove]

Lol all the patch69 W criers are entering cope-stance

[sly furnace]

Please no. Please. And before anyone says anything about skill... i will clap you up on Morhau...

[modern kiln]

run it

[weary pasture]

I mean, the jesters, the hearts, data says its a W

[muted marsh]

i want fifth perk slot, right above our character's head

[solid nymph]

Third skill when?

[lost vine]

honestly just add a class that has an MG42 at this point

[gritty vine]

Why not? Lol yea i get that we don t want the cheese and sweat or animation breaking but the melee combat is way way too dull

[knotty finch]

A lot of people talk about W-keying barbarians and such and understandably so, but at the same time what else can they do? They don't have any ability or reason to mix up combos, there are no feints, no deflects or parries, no dodging, no interrupting enemies with a quick jab or kick, all they have is just holding 1 key, moving around to dodge projectiles at times and trying to aim for the head once they're close enough. Ranged gameplay is basically the same complexity except for the fact that they have more freedom to aim and have to spend time b-hopping.

[snow swallow]

We already have drags and accels. Were half way there to sweating it up morhau style

[narrow rivet]

I get that people love this game, some also don't, for varying reasons. But can we be honest here; a game that requires 1000hrs of gameplay for you to stand a chance, really don't make an appealing and succesfull game in the long run. I get that there's the word 'Unforgiving' in the game description and they ain't lying.

10s and even 100s of hours of grinding, only for you to make little to no progress is honestly just a waste of people's time. I don't know what the devs should do, but this is not how you make a long lasting game.

[tepid quarry]

You know what 'gate keeping' is, right? I bought Legendary today, will ask for a refund if patch is reverted...

[undone peak]

rust is kinda the same way.

[charred moss]

some players enjoy the progress and growth, some like a challenge, but you can speak for yourself

[lime elbow]

sorry to break it to you. you don't need 1000 hrs of gameplay to beat someone.. just like every other game. having tons of hrs in the game isn't going to make you automatic beat someone.

[hard roost]

i have 200 hours and i maked around 150k if u really need ill show proof

[sly adder]

Get good

[sly furnace]

The "hardcore" people really cannot understand this. They don't understand that they are the last audience a game will ever have. They kill games. They want the game to as competetive as possible.

The super juicers really don't seem to understand that they become the bosses in the dungeon. newer people can't learn the game, because they stand in their way.

[wraith olive]

Ok wait man a 1000 hours to make no progress or to learn the game is false , there are thosands of new players that picked up the game pretty fast , it's people with short attentions spans that are having trouble learning the game

[keen wren]

Game was already "dying" before patch 69. Careful what you wish for. This is very bad for the game long term.

What do you think is going to happen the next time r-m-ters are affected by a patch? They will bully IM into reverting it again. But next time, you may find yourself on the other side of the fence

[solid nymph]

Here's the appropriate links I think, obtained as of June of this year
ttps://darkanddarker.com/support/contact or [e-mail]

[stable echo]

I think the hardcore fans of games are important but you shouldnt just try and cater to only them because the game cant really grow or try new things quickly

[tepid quarry]

Thanks.

[flint ingot]

The people crying about the shit update getting reverted are those who coped into convincing themselves that the new changes were acceptable when in reality it was horrible which is why the player base declined by half in a few days

[muted verge]

Game would be fire if their was a higher TTK. Smaller gear gap so skill could out play time investment. That is the root of the issue. Cap the pvp damage at X gear rarity. Any gear above that rarity can roll only pve modifiers that players will want for bossing and clearing. If SDF would have just tweeked the higher gear more and raised ttk ppl would love it. The only ones who wouldn't are the true bads that need the gear gap for pvp.

[sour lily]

This patch really needed literally any new content. Give me spell capacity enchantment now that I can't open doors at 200% interaction speed.

[dense pawn]

Except you didn't figure it out the same way. You didn't get skill checked in every lobby by a 300+ fame player. And you didn't get gear checked that often either, because people were still figuring out what is bis and how to farm it. I am not inviting anyone to try the game right now, new player experience is really tough and it will almost guarantee they don't stick to it. Best time is probably at wipe (as long as the don't f it up like they did this wipe with warlock 2 curse meta that destroyed all <25 lobbies)

[sly furnace]

They are important, they're what people aspire to be. We all wanted to be like Zezima right?

But if they built the game around the Zezima players, his status would become out of reach for most players (It already was, but it didn't seem that way) and they would lose all motivation to play.

[weary pasture]

Is there a solution? Killing a game just because some kids are earning real money from it?
Ngl i loved the idea sdf made but it was poorly implemented, instead of weekly patches he should spend some time thinking it over

[solid nymph]

They brought back naked HR runs accidentally, I'm probably gonna do a couple of those for a few days

[lime elbow]

exactly they want the best loot in th game right away before learning how to pvp/knowing how to make money in the game

[stable echo]

or changing some of the never used things in the game. imo it was a good update they did a bit ago with adjusting some of the gear to be used like topfhelm being a viable option now. I think they should also do this with more items (CERMONIAL STAFF WHY HAS NOTHING BEEN DONE TO THAT ITEM) and character abilities like the bard skills, dark pact, ect

[fading helm]

shouldnt sdf listen to someone like me who is complaining about winning encounters TOO often? this is the third time ive wiped a lobby w a longbow in less than an hour. please remove longbow from the game. i will continue to make everyones life hell w longbow until it is removed or made worse than recurves. please fix this!

[dense pawn]

So that's 750 gold per hour, a bit far from the 300k in an hour you were mentioning. Don't believe the youtubers, a lot of them only show their best moments.

[sour lily]

Wizard shoes still actually useless.

[sly furnace]

One of my favourite playstyles. Zero -> Hero HR was GOATED.

@weary pasture The current state was already killing the game. We literally (as a community) won't let the devs change the very things that is causing the game to decline.

[solid nymph]

I always thought they acted as a sort of pre armorer missions complete alternative to the better armor pieces

[tight rain]

as a new player i cant wait for my own zero to heros ( i do have legendary )

[wraith olive]

Man you're the only person in chat spitting facts !

[lime elbow]

there's so many way to make money. you can make 1k gold in under 10mins of basically doing the easiest looting of all time... there shouldnt be any excuse if you know how to make money

[fossil axle]

this buffoon @glad thunder decided to revert the patch

[hard roost]

WDYM XDD im done with that conversation im not going to fight with this brain did u really divided my hours? XD when i was squire half of the time? and when i dont know how to pvp and they do? i wasnt fooled i watched streams and shit just wake up bro

[keen wren]

🤦‍♂️

[solid nymph]

You're omnipotent (omniscient* but ignore this) man, I respect the dedication 🖖

[muted marsh]

the fun i see in the game is getting shat on and thinking "I CAN DO THAT?" and then immediately proceeding to make a cool build on that class

[flint mulch]

Parth 69 was shit

[sly furnace]

I have hope. I think he realized doing this mid-wipe was his mistake (and it was a huge mistake. bone-head move to be honest.) and is basically calling this season a wash (in his mind). Chances are they will call this season short soon enough, and then implement the same exact changes at the begginning of the next wipe.

[tepid quarry]

Learning curve is fine if we're talking about skill. But why do you also need players to be grind 'checked'? It's not "learning curve" it's "time investment" curve you're speaking of...

[fiery pilot]

Not going to lie. Patch 69 was the most fun iv had playing this game as much as it felt like their wasnt as much progression it made me a "newer player of 400 totals hours" play this game non stop testing classes and finally wanting to touch high roller and go into higher gear. It was honestly a blast and I grinded the full days since that patch. I would like to see this idea fleshed out because it was honestly the best the game had been for me. Im sorry to the long term players this offends but its pains me to see this reverted. I hope to be able to express the classes I play freely and this gave me the sandbox that i dreamt of for this game. I know this isnt what the game fully is just hope that this shows some people that there was light in the darkness of Patch 69. Prob wont be playing much anymore but ill still see whats going on cuz i pray for the future of this game

[wraith olive]

maybe Ironmace can try a patch like patch 69 again when they have the gem system ready that goes along with it not some half baked patch in mid wipe

[modern atlas]

I'm just focused on finding a good duo and trio squad

[fading helm]

let sdf do what he wants and adapt... except for longbows... pls remove

[delicate nest]

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[keen wren]

[sly furnace]

Thank you. This is the "Hardcore" crowd thinking that it should be a time-sink contest.

[dense pawn]

I thought you started earlier like me, my bad. Season 1 already had a tough player base. I'm just saying the learning curve shouldn't be so damn steep at the very beginning, and it's only getting worse.

@tepid quarry Exactly, I don't want to grind so much just to keep up with no lifers who have 10 coin chests in their stash.

[gritty vine]

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[next oasis]

Hey guys uh, is the game breaking on loading for anyone else on steam deck?

[gentle marsh]

why are the servers not working, me and my friends were just about to hop on, what did we miss?

[stable echo]

Crazy there are items that have been in the game for super long that have been completely useless wiz shoes is a great example because the will shoes are a STRIGHT upgrade if you want to get the magic power bonus. the only thing more annoying is seeing the devs super slowly adjust never used items. it was good shoes of darkness got a buff because before what was the point of using them but still how did this take legit months for them to do. Its REALLY easy to see what items/stats/perks are being used and which ones arent. imo it seems really lazy from the devs that they only focus on aspects of the game that are in the meta and they almost never look at anything else because there is no way it should be difficult or time consuming to make a NUMBERS change to never used items. like giving shoes of darkness a little more ms and topfhelm vigor and will as two examples of items that were never used and now viable. CRAZY that it takes months of them existing before something is done

[modern atlas]

Maintenance
Look at #📢announcements

[tepid quarry]

They reverted the patch - maintenance. @gentle marsh @next oasis

[worthy hazel]

all my friends who barley dipped their toes into the game got into it because of patch 69, not surprised if they quit now

[sly furnace]

all of us "hardcore" people seem to think that it's acceptble for the game to demand thousands of hours. Im so sorry brother. I wish my fellow hardcore peeps could understand that you're not bad at the game, we're just fucking crazy.

[wanton otter]

Dream Weapons: Flamberge(longsword but instead of parry it's an alt attack), Scimitar(Some variety for rogue/ranger probably an offhand), Different spears; like literally anything else give us Javelins or something.

[muted marsh]

sad i dont get to run marauder out fit double jump drip rogue with the attribute decrease but it shouldnt be too bad going back to shirtless

[neon tiger]

yeah i really didnt think atleast 69-1 was bad at all. People are gonan cry no matter what they do

[limber apex]

anyone else having issues booting dark and darker?

[dense pawn]

Even as a veteran of the game, I could appreciate being able to grab any class and trying out a build on it without grinding through bad gear or spending a lot of time in the market figuring out what to get. I think base kit to bis kit power ratio should be reduced. But not like patch 69 when legendary gear could be worse than green... that is just a stupid system and it needed to be changed completely. But why revert all the gear squish?

@worthy hazel I they got to balance it out a bit, I would have invited more friends to play. Now I guess I will wait till wipe, not a good time for them to join when they would only get to play <25

[subtle shore]

its maintenance...

[prime folio]

Will 2 hours be enough?

[modern atlas]

Honestly sucks, I'm pretty sure all my friends quit already. Oh well, solo and soloer

[fiery pilot]

I fell in love with this game due to the combat and expression of characters before the patch but this showed me what the game could be and I also had many friends come back to the game and loved it. Its honestly heartbreaking that i have to tell them the news and that the dream of the game I saw died when i saw these notes..

[loud roost]

Same. Game was at the most fun with the least amount of rage since I wasn’t losing 4 hour kits. Can’t believe they would even want to waste 4 hours

[tepid quarry]

Same. Just bought Legendary today... I'll see what's up, will possibly ask for a refund because of the revert...

@dense pawn Yes, this is early access game... 'Rough' patches happen, but the revert seems insane to me too. It seemed like a good direction.

[small latch]

@cosmic eagle go spend time with your other half instead of worrying what classes other people play ?

[dry briar]

So your friends who just started the game were in high rollers and fighting proper players which these changes affect?

Lmao no they weren’t. It didn’t affect Timmy’s at all.

[muted marsh]

gotta say ima miss 20% action speed fighter in -25 lobbies

[tulip egret]

3.4k hours and I loved patch 69

[tepid quarry]

It did make the game more accessible, since you're not "naked" from the start... Why is this community so against new players having a go at it..? I'm new, btw.*

[spice magnet]

oof dont make this guy a dev

[solid nymph]

25s everybody is naked imo. Poor Quality base gear is the great unifier

[sly furnace]

2.6K HRS LOVED PATCH 69. It was the best change of direction they could have done. It's a shame many veteran players think time-sink should be the ultimate decider on what content you can enjoy.

[tulip egret]

hunter vs gatherer

[night dagger]

Not trying to be an ass here but have you tried Mordhau or Chivalry? They've got far more polished combat but don't have the gear aspect while half of DaD's systems seemed redundant without gear. If all you want's medieval combat without gear then there's games specifically for that

[sturdy surge]

Whole enjoyment of the playing the game long term over a wipe is going from naked to geared, it diminished the reward from getting to that point entirely

[robust apex]

i think its cause the game then loses its identity, they game is suppose to have gear diff build in it

[dense pawn]

I understand that the rough patches messed with a lot of people's dopamine fix... but the devs caving in to the organized hate is just dumb. Don't forget that the players most happy about game going back to that are: gold selling mafia, their customers and those who grind 10h/day... They were 100% spamming in general chat and this sets a very bad precedent.

The noisy will dictate the course of the game. Let's forget about any "vision". It's just a mirage.

[solid nymph]

Well put, after Patch 69# I lost all motivation to survive with the gear I looted. I'd be getting equal replacements when I respawned/was cloned/rose from the pits anyhow

[fiery pilot]

I became I time-sinker due to patch 69 I was at 350 hours and in the last three days got up to 400 I loved this patch whole heartly

[subtle heart]

funny thing is even though they reverted the patch 90% of people wont change their steam review xdd

[tepid quarry]

@robust apex @sturdy surge But wasn't the gear diff too big..? I mean, P69 still had Legionaries as better than Greens for example, no? Items still mattered, but disparity wasn't that big.

[graceful tartan]

They will , give them time 🙂

[honest oriole]

Because it’s clear that there is no vision of the game and the devs have no idea what they’re doing lmao

[rugged yacht]

the problem wasn't the newbies having something useable, it was the very much non-noobs having to risk nothing while wiping the lobby.

The biggest thing the gear change did do was making MM easier. 124 lobbies felt good with #68's loot drops when you built for it, but still had the innate problem where if you accidently went over the 25 limit, you would just get rolled. That particular aspect made it terrible for the noobs. Current worry now with the gear reversion is what is going to happen to mm, especially now that the gear score MM restrictions are gone.

[hollow sleet]

did we won battle with patch 69?

[muted marsh]

i like stats, id like to keep +5 stat common items and just make it so better quality gear gets better stats, like +2 per level so we can hit better heights, strength only starts dropping off in value after 50 after all

[dry briar]

You can kill people in uniques with a blue kit. I’ve done it multiple times. I have never used a legendary item or higher.

You’re new and trying to talk about accessibility. I’m not new and I could already do all of the things you think it let you do. If you are good at the game, and your only issue is time investment. Just go fucking kill someone, it isn’t hard. You could always do it. They didn’t need to gut the loot so you’d feel more confident

[subtle heart]

even with helldivers there were thousands who just didnt cba to swap it (to this day)

[keen wren]

Time will tell. I think you are just huffing copium. Lets see what the reviews are at tomorrow.

Tbh the steam ratings are now forever tainted negatively, and you wont be able to fix it

[round sapphire]

did the new patch drop yet? very excited here.. is there a channel where I can read em?

[cosmic ruin]

Im ok with reverting the changes to items but what about the flat HP nerf ? Dont they need to bring it back since base gear is so much weaker now?