game-discussion

[low night]

bread 👍🏻

[spice mauve]

Review bombing is called the community voicing it's opinion in direction of the game lmao

[wooden coral]

[chrome haven]

you dont think a patch that a significant segment of the community dislikes isn't the fault of the developer ?

It's almost like they have received the patch negatively

[crimson beacon]

THIS GAME NEEDS MORE CONTENT, NOT A PATCH THAT TURNS THE GAME INTO SOMETHING BLAND AND POINTLESS.

[keen wren]

You can voice your opinion with constructive comments, or by simply playing a different game until you like it again. Review bombing is cancel culture and harmful to the indie devs that created the game you care this much about. The steam ratings currently don't accurately represent the quality of the game. It's a great game with great developers and deserves to be rated as such.

Steam ratings and reviews should not be used as a weapon by a vocal minority to financially hurt a game dev into doing what they want

[tranquil pelican]

FUCK DND!

[timber remnant]

Vocal minority is wild considering that´s who called for patch 69 in the first place. A majority of the playerbase was fine the way it was

[spice mauve]

The constructive comments are already out there. There have been no statements and no attempt to compromise. They just did a double down patch. Great developers aren't this incompetent to roll patch 69 without a test server or any input from people who actually are dedicated to playing the game.

[cobalt hedge]

Keeping myself grounded but at this point I'm just praying they didn't kill it completely, every day without a rollback is permanent damage, I wish the best for the game but not what it's becoming. I still love this community and I'm going to fight for what I want, it's our game just as much as it is SDF's. The review bombing, the outrage needs to be a wakeup call, our voice will not go unheard. I refuse to help kill the game I love by coping and saying it's gonna get better from here.

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @glad thunder because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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[devout glacier]

Just because you said that I’m going to add another bad review right now. L patch.

[pallid shoal]

I'm actually patching the game for the first time in over a month because this patch makes me want to play again, lol.

[crimson beacon]

They spoke about adding fishing to the game. They could add more puzzles and interactivity in the dungeons, theres alot they could add.

[keen wren]

Fact is that you are the vocal minority. The numbers reflect that, assuming that most people who don't like the changes have stopped playing

[timber remnant]

Can you show me the numbers?

[chrome haven]

"indie devs" they have reportedly between 60 and 120 employees.

They're a company that I paid for a product their bad balance patches resulting in specific classes and things being dominant, windlass/barb.

fundamental changes to the game players dont like that ... all of this being reminiscent of multi classing and absolute garbage implementation of things, i.e. we still dont have quivers but we need to waste inventory slots with ammo management..

I changed my review to not recommneded because honestly I no longer recommend people bother, the game is all over the place

[half tulip]

why is their no trading hall in this server

[devout glacier]

Ryan six days a week just made a video showing the chart where it clearly shows this is currently the lowest amount of concurrent players essentially ever lol and it’s dropping more every day. but keep coping.

[pallid shoal]

You can trade in-game.

[keen wren]

Just look at the player counts since last patch. Did the playercount come even close to halving?

There is a slight temporary dip in players because of the emotional response to the drastic changes. A vocal minority

[sullen pilot]

we are all stockholm syndromed brother thats why there hasnt been a major dip lol

[wooden coral]

Hot take: the opinions of the consumer of your product, “who funds your company, pays your bills, and keeps your family fed” are more important than a “vision” that you had on a LSD trip at 2:00am on a Thursday

[devout glacier]

I guess literally every content creator for the game is the minority as well? You’re an NPC buddy.

[chrome haven]

expecting a concurrent average over 30 days to immediately change lol

again this patch is endemic of a larger issue with the devs failing to consistently improve on the game, the constant wild swings of good to complete garbage patches have led to an ever declinging playerbase.

[timber remnant]

The dip isn't what matters as much as the slowly bleeding of more and more players everyday. Sure the bleed is slow but on the steamDB charts it's clearly showing a slowly declining playerbase to me.

[keen wren]

Even if the patch isn't perfect it's still a great game, that deserves a good playerbase. And deserves good steam ratings.

Besides, it has been a couple of days after the dreaded patch, with the first balancing changes that everyone likes already being implemented. People are too impatient, just let SDF cook.

[spice mauve]

They took any purpose to play the game out so not really. Shouldn't support a game with incompetent developers and an inability to communicate

[sullen pilot]

They could've changed nothing but revert bard buffs and max hp back and i wouldn't have cared about the other stuff tbh

[pallid shoal]

Dawg, you're talking to mostly young people who are throwing a tantrum. Look at all the spam that's been happening. That's how frustrated children act. Lots don't even realize they're privileged PC gamers who are paying to play an alpha test.

[timber remnant]

Lmao okay man calm down. NOW you're simping a little bit. I agree that review bombing is bad for the game overall but nothing and nobody DESERVES anything. They earn there good reviews and good playerbase just like any other dev. I'm fine with you being of the opposite opinion but cmon man don't blindly follow someone like that for any reason.

[keen wren]

They will put the purpose back in. They always have fixed the issues

[devout glacier]

And all their viewers too huh? And the polls they put up on YouTube? Bro you can say whatever you want to cope to yourself but the truth is the game is in the worst place it’s ever been. People like you tried to fight for multi class too and look what happened

[glass vapor]

Buff duration my beloved come back

[spice mauve]

Hence incompetence should've never been an issue. They had the rest of the wipe to think this out and get input also an entire test server.

[golden pasture]

the purpose was finding bis gear and killing players with bis gear and getting enough gold every wipe to run nameds items, but now all of that is useless

[keen wren]

Yes and soon it will not be useless. Just let them cook. Why are you assuming it will stay bad?

[devout glacier]

It’ll get rolled back or the game will die it’s as simple as that.

[pallid shoal]

It's cool just wait a week until all of these gear-thirsty whiners quit playing
@south wadi Wipe is very soon

[south wadi]

The only issue with this patch is that it required a wipe. Everything else Is great.

Fight me. Ill defend the vision.

@pallid shoal I know wipe is soon but the people crying is because they feel like their hard work from this wipe. is now useless. They dont think about next wipe.

[crimson beacon]

Add new content. Add new mechanics : I have and idea: Add the ability to kick : Powerkick your opponent a few spaces away?

[chrome haven]

"multi classing will get better let them cook"

[timber remnant]

There are many issues with the patch, the vision is fine. The implementation was ass cancer

[keen wren]

If they had all the time in the world, they would have put it on test server first, then implement on wipe after feedback, etc etc. But that's not the way it needs to happen apparently.

I agree, this way the opposing part of the community would not have been so vocal.

@chrome haven and what happened? Multiclassing was removed. Because they listen and make the best product long term

[south wadi]

I just want the game to stop being a pvp marathon simulator

[cobalt mica]

Doing it mid season sucks and I understand why people are upset, but if they waited til next wipe, they would've spent the rest of this wipe working on it internally with no player feedback while the live game went without updates, or they would've had to keep making bandaid patches to the live game until next wipe, at which point all that work would've been scrapped anyway. So it's probably the least bad option to just roll it out now

[pallid shoal]

It's an alpha test. One shouldn't invest so much association with this game, or any game.

All the items will be useless soon, anyway, when there's a wipe.

This game is about PvP.

[golden pasture]

because sdf said already what his vision is about, which is making lower ttk (tho its not fun for pvp except if youre a barb or ranger), making gear meaningless (they wanted to remove random rolls aswell to make it a full battle royale game pretty much) and instead of fixing important stuff when the game was in a good state with good amount of player base he just cooked everyone's process and made most of their gear and everything they grinded for just useless because now everyone has the same rolls on everything and squire kit can easily 2 tap a geared player which is just boring.
the game was way more balanced before patch 69 it was not perfect but it needed way less number tweaking to make it balanced, and now they just literally made the game in pure chaos balance-wise and it will take them so much time to get enough info to make the game good again with something that is really worth grinding for, OR they just revert this bad change that you can clearly see most of the community doesn't want

[crimson beacon]

Ye powerkick and powerjump too maybe i think it would be fun. The more mechanics and diversity of combat the more fun it is.

[chrome haven]

So ... they should listen and revert here ?

[devout glacier]

I’m done playing until they add Ukrainian soldier as a new class and give me M4 to kill all barbs

[keen wren]

Dont pretend SDF said he wants to make gear meaningless, you are taking it out of context. His goal is to remove random rolls and replace it with a different system (gems, sockets?)

Rich people are still rich, good people are still good. Some gear got nerfed, sucks, but its only temporary.

A low geared player now has a chance vs a high geared player.

Ive enjoyed the game very much today, playing about 10 hours. Especially PVP, playing wizard by the way

@chrome haven No I think they should keep the changes and build from here

[pallid shoal]

Gross

[south wadi]

We just need a stamina system with some dashes or shit and we done.

Just stamina would be great

[cobalt mica]

Can I just say please don't give me a stamina bar in this game

[crimson beacon]

Yes, that sounds great.

[wooden coral]

Anybody know how I can get a refund for my “Hold the Line” edition? Where I was given access to test servers?

Cuz right now it looks like I just paid an extra $20 on top of the $30 for the base game so that I could have a blue torch and a skeleton skin.

[keen wren]

Too late, they already announced a stamina bar is in development

[devout glacier]

What we need is more negative steam reviews! Have you done your part?

[smoky galleon]

As a rogue main how can I escape a barbarian? Just looking for tips here

[polar talon]

train your skill to kit

[wooden vigil]

how long it take for goblin merchant to give gear back

[south wadi]

U got any suggestions?
Let us be, we didnt get in depth with any of these things we mentioned. Anything could be interesting we just naming concepts lol

[cobalt mica]

I mean I'll reserve judgement til I see how it works (would be nice if more people did)

[devout glacier]

Time to sell the game out to Nexon and give up (1200 hours)

[timber remnant]

Anywhere within an hour

[cloud wadi]

STEAM PLAYER COUNT HITS 8K, KEEP COOKING IRONMACE LETS GOOO

[crimson beacon]

agrred

[keen wren]

I was just joking Ive never heard about them doing anything with a stamina bar

[weary pasture]

So how the vision looking guys

[south wadi]

Movement and spamming attacks is the main issue in this game atm.

Fixing those isnt just tweaking variables

[golden pasture]

so I have played every class in the game, I have 6000 hours on the game, and this current state of the game is too much noob friendly, giving a new player who just downloaded the game a chance against a geared player has never been a thing in this game.
And lets talk about what is my goal in this wipe? I personally already got fulgor, db, lad and killed wyvern over 100 times solo and took all the ore, keys, eggs, what not.
I get bored from the same pvp over and over again, I have already played the game enough to be in every situation, how is it fun for people like me to just run around for 10 hours and just PVP? and lets say I wanna do that, I will have to pick barb or ranger and not my main class bard, cuz bard is shit now.

[keen wren]

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[weary pasture]

Whatever you smoking, i need some

[wooden coral]

I can’t wait to roam around in the goblin caves with my +2 magical healing arming sword that totally makes sense and has some sort of function!!! It does have some sort of function right?

[chrome haven]

So they were right to listen to the community with multi-classing .. you know after the community gave up and abandonned the game almost entirely it was removed, those mega low player counts in the before times.

But they're wrong to listen to the community now when player counts have started dipping ?

Based on what ?

[signal zodiac]

how about go outside and touch some grass, talk to people, socialise? maybe that should be your goal in life instead of this

[cursive wagon]

You can use the test server via the blacksmith launcher

[gloomy scaffold]

The game is so fun right now holy shit

[devout glacier]

4k in dungeon let’s go! W patch! lol this is secretly SDF competing in the coping Olympics.

[golden pasture]

I just came back from the gym thanks for the concern tho

[weary pasture]

Dude, I know its not that much now but just wait, instead of complaining to a wall play another game u enjoy ig

[wooden coral]

yeah so I can test hotfix 69 which was definitely put onto test servers first and not randomly released to general servers with 0 consensus from the community, yeah that’s a “test” server, and not just some dead server that can be loaded up if “I want to”

[timber remnant]

For a handful of matches before I get fucking bored at the fact no one has any good loot. Or I just don't find anyone

[stone falcon]

Yeah right I had a blast the last couple days

[keen wren]

Multiclassing only recently was first implemented. They adapted and did away with the idea when they had to. More stuff like that will happen and when people stop playing the game IM will adjust where needed.

Game is way better now than with multiclassing, and the player count represents that.

Lets just see how it plays out over the next week. Im not worried

[signal zodiac]

we both know you're capping you're 300pound socially inept terminally online attention deficit

[gloomy scaffold]

@timber remnant Finding tons of bis and killing dudes in kits in HR, the definition of bis just changed

[devout glacier]

This guy is 100% not sober and 100% has received a lobotomy.

[weary pasture]

Huh? Just cuz they said the patch sucks?

[timber remnant]

bis just isnt bis anymore if everything is fucking bis because there are no more bad rolls to ofuscate your good rolls. If everything is good then nothing is. It makes me not want to loot, which then turns my attention to pvp which after a few games just gets boring with no other incentive besides winning the fight.

[hollow rampart]

<-----------------Dark And Darker Enjoyer

[keen wren]

Surprised you can spell with that pea brain. Why don't you tell me why you think that, if you can manage to fire up those neurons for once

[chrome haven]

"Multi-classing was only recently implemented" wut ?

Taht was pre steam release... I'm guessing, you're just being contrarian for the sake of trolling, moving on.

[gloomy scaffold]

Seems like a good time to try new builds and more pvp! Last few wipes have been all about loot idk

[loud moat]

ppl rly just want pve simulator kinda lamer opinion

[timber remnant]

The pvp was another way of getting good loot! Or was an obstacle to get to the good loot! Now the pvp is everything which isn't what an extraction looter is supposed to BE ABOUT!!! It went from being half the game to all the game.

[keen wren]

You're acting like steam release was a long time ago. Are you like, in highschool? Some of us have a different frame of time reference than your half developed brain

[stone falcon]

I agree, IM knows best what the game needs and if they find out that certain aspects of a patch isn't healthy, they'll change it again in the next one. I've been playing since playtest 2 and I was never worries about new patches before, I'm rather excited

[jade delta]

without 124 gs and actually good gear, pvp turned into third partying and gear checking.

[weary pasture]

I don't mind we all have bis gear even though it makes the game bit boring, Atleast anyone can be the best in just 3 runs.
The main issue is the market, it's ass, bis gear are being sold for just 300 gold😭

[devout glacier]

You literally changed your name on discord that’s how hard you are copping xD look at steam Einstein. Look at Ryan six days a week new video where he shows the numbers! You’re just blatantly LYING! THE GAME IS DYING!

[mild plinth]

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @sdf because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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[jolly pelican]

The community is gonna keep 🇬OONING until you THROW IT 🅱️ACK , if you wanna save your 🇬YATT 🥵 as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your SKIBIDI FANS 🚽 why almost everyone thinks YOUR RIZZ 🔥 is universally DOODOO 💩 . Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY STICK YOUR 🇬YATT OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY 😱 .

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews HAVE BEEN FANUM TAXED 💸, you are out of options. People have lost faith in CAMERAMAN 📷 because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead HE GETS SENT TO OHIO 😈 . I'm not trying to just sht on the cameraman I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to 🇬OON to this if you support the message.

[chrome haven]

Everyone can PVP with a base kit barb far more effectively than they could in a BIS kit previously, shits amazing, literally the only fun thing about this patch is going barb and just smashing your face into the keyboard to win

Like it sounds liek im being sarcastic, but genuinely it's a good time.

[keen wren]

All temporary drama over major controversial changes. The storm will die down and people will keep playing their favorite game while SDF cooks. If you don't enjoy the game anymore, play something else. Next wipe you will be back in the dungeon once again regardless

[timber remnant]

When I got bored of pvping I went to quest or loot, when I got bored of questing or looting I then went to find pvp. Now the only viable fun thing to do is pvp. Which wares off quickly. And then once that's done there is nothing to do it feels like.

[golden pasture]

@weary pasture I understand you think that the game is gonna be balanced, but if the game is balanced and there is no excitement in killing players or finding good loot, then whats the point of playing pvp-loot-extraction game if the loot and the loot from pvp is not exciting?
@signal zodiac also you have problems my guy, go hug a family member maybe it will make you feel better, and I bet all my life savings I bench more than your weak ass and I never was more than 170 pounds, I also bet you yourself is over 200 pounds and smell bad bc you dont take showers

[gloomy scaffold]

@timber remnant You can still quest, you can still loot. Im finding unique items in inferno with awesome rolls that make a huge difference, im just squishier than before

[devout glacier]

Peep skinny Pete’s new video where he kills people in frostlite while he’s running no skills and no perks lol. “Balance”

[jade delta]

stop the cap, ppl will get bored of the same endless pvp and game will live with 1k players base or less, it already dropped 55% of players since the patch

[weary pasture]

Btw do you think the multiclass patch was good? Just testing something

[pallid shoal]

Game is awesome, guys
Don't give in to spam or hate
Keep up your hard work

[keen wren]

Lets see next weekend how accurate that number really is. Your made up statistic is heavily influenced by the drama at the moment

@weary pasture No, multiclassing was ass

[chrome haven]

I played a HR duos as a solo and managed to kill 2 teams before I ran into a duo that was ranger/fighter with windlass and got obliterated.

The state of the game is hilariously broken and anyone who read the patch notes could have told you that would be the result

[timber remnant]

Yeah awesome rolls... THAT ARE PRACTICALLY GARUNTEED BECAUSE THEY GOT RID OF BAD ROLLS! ON GEAR THAT ALTHOUGH GIVES AN ADVANTAGE CAN SOMETIMES FEEL COMPLETELY NEGLIGABLE You are talking yourself in a circle here and thats not me trying to shut you down for having fun. I just feel you're not getting my points at all even though I'm understanding yours. The game is now fundamentally more boring with the balance of all 3 things being thrown out of wack. Not only that but there is an arena mode now for pvp. Why make the rest of the game completely pvp focused at that point?

[signal zodiac]

nah, i don't think a normal person will focus his time so much on a game that even when he's not playing he dedicates himself to posting on their forums 24/7 expressing his opinion that he's a better game designer than the people who get paid doing it, so you're 100% socially inept or you legit just have nothing better in life

[devout glacier]

You’re right I will be back when it gets reverted because if it isn’t rolled back there will be no game to come back too.

[jade delta]

in patch 68, every day there was 35k players logging in, after patch 69, it fell to 17k a day( 17k was since friday and through out all weekend). u can use google it dont take more than 10 sec

[uneven valve]

Yalls toxic

[keen wren]

How about a more fair comparison? Look at the playercount between last week same time and now. Telling me there is a 55% difference?

This is why I said lets look at next weekend, when we see the new peak of the week. Then we will know what happened to the player count more accurately

[sand heron]

Theres actually skill expression now and that makes gear checkers FURIOUS. Looting and gear is meaningless so that means we dont have to waste our time going to lower dungeons or killing bosses. I think it was really smart to delete buff duration there was way too much build variety and creativity because of that roll. We’re going in the right direction but its not enough. We should get rid of all random roles and make all classes the same stats. Because classes have different stats you might be getting stat checked and dont even know it. W patch guys keep it going with the hard work

[wooden coral]

sdf has 2 choices.

Choice A: Listen to the community that funds your company, pays your bills, and keeps a roof over your family’s head.

Or

Choice B: Listen to a “vision” he had on a bad acid trip at some point during play test 2

Hmmmm I wonder what choice he’ll go with

[weary pasture]

Alright why do you think this patch is good? Now that every gear have a high chance to be bis and the market is ass cuz of that and removing half of the random factor. With all that you think he can save this instead of returning to how the game was and focus into adding new stuff

[devout glacier]

Wait are you roasting bro for doing the same thing you’re doing? And wait? Is your profile picture an anime girl? You for sure smell very very bad and get no play. And fat.

[pallid shoal]

For real.

also @jade delta that is false dude, look up steamcharts - and anything in Blacksmith/in-game is speculation because they don't publish that.

[sly adder]

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[upper stone]

why would we look at the next weekend? it will be a different patch already. Look at this weekend and you can see sunday pulling numbers bellow weekdays of patch #68

[timber remnant]

God all of your points are so bad and your ideas for whats good and healthy for tha game are so wack that no one should ever give you the time of day. More build variety = bad? Yeah okay you need to take your meds. I am so lost as to whether its satire or not

[jade delta]

look up dark and darker player count, it was 35k on patch 68, it kept falling and falling after 69, now its at 17k, tomorrow it will be lower im sure. imagine its 17k on weekends

[keen wren]

thats partly my point. it will be a different (better) state of the game. the doomers in here never reach that conclusion

youre acting like this game is not in active development, one poor received patch doesnt mean no progress is being made

[devout glacier]

4k in dungeon! W patch guys! Let him cook like that wallmart oven!

[cobalt mica]

Idk how people have so little faith in the devs vision when they literally made the game you're scared they're gonna kill

[golden pasture]

I like the game and I want it to come back to what it was, I can spam if I want which I dont, I actually explain my opinion instead of copy pasta spamming in gen chat.
Also you are wasting time to type back to me, actually doing the same thing you said is not worth doing. also unironically i bet you sit all day on your discord and just type random shit with no context, which is even worse, good luck in life

[sacred briar]

Yall think sdf is ever gonna revert 69 back to 68?

68 was so much fun I had troubles getting off. 69 is so unfun im back on tarkov

[weary pasture]

Being developed is good but why take a step backward and fix your broken patch instead of reverting to a functional one😭

[keen wren]

this!

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[timber remnant]

No he never will. And bro that's tragic... I completely gave up on nikita and battlestate games. I genuinely wish the worst for them.

[mild plinth]

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @sdf because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

[pallid shoal]

lol where you getting these numbers from. Someone's Youtube video? Look at steamcharts, and even then that's not accurate.
@devout glacier lmao you live in a special world, kid. I hope the best for you but please try to be kind to others.

[devout glacier]

You know the guys that make a living and feed their family off knowing about the game? Yeah them.

[jade delta]

Type in google, Dark and darker player count. i been looking at the numbers falling every day, it was 35k a day on patch 68, its been only falling since patch 69, now its at 17k a day

[sacred briar]

Leagues more fun than hotfix 69 though 😭😭😭

[weary pasture]

I will be completely honest, i don't trust sdf vision to be fixing this mess now, even if you think about it there's no solution to make both casuals and no lifers happy, the buffed loot made us all happy and even the no lifers but now no one is enjoying it, except the casuals maybe

[eternal surge]

what the fuck is with mob aggro in this fucking game im so sick of mobs randomly going after me when another player aggros it in our fight and then it never leaves me alone while i get spammed with ranged attacks

[golden pasture]

you guys know nothing about whats going on in the balancing team, I know from IM employee that is also my friend, exactly whats going on, and it is simply being sdf not listening to his balancing team and doing whatever the f he wants, which causes a lot of negative reactions, and it is not the first time this happend, we already went through this multiple times including twice last wipe, we are over that and we literally think there is no reason to play the game when a squire kit can 2 tap a full unique bis kit

[timber remnant]

Nah fr why tf did I also think of reinstalling it because I also hate this patch so much

[keen wren]

@dense pawn

"Hello everyone, seems like the hate has died down. As I've said before, the community is going through the 5 stages of grief and is getting close to moving on from depression to acceptance. There's still a few who are far behind in the beginning stages, denial and bargaining.

The game is not going back to what it was and that is a good thing. The game is going forward and it will probably keep changing till wipe. You BIS sets from patch 68 are gone and so is excessive gear diffing, including in arena."

[upper stone]

can we keep copypastas in general. it is getting kinda annoying when discussions are being interrupted by meaningless walls of text. It is impossible to discuss anything in general chat already because you people keep spamming this shit

[devout glacier]

Guys look it’s the slow kid again everyone be nice okay he thinks he knows something!

[pallid shoal]

Dude you're a horrible person, you shouldn't make fun of people with mental handicaps.

@timber remnant Literally that's all you've been doing in this chat room, lmao. You're ridiculous if you think you're cool for disrespecting other humans.

[keen wren]

🇼💬🇵 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭💬 🇼 🇻 🇮 🇸 🇮 🇴 🇳🇸 🇩 🇫🔥 🔥🇬 🇴 🇦 🇹🔥

[timber remnant]

WAAAAAH. That's all I hear from this post. @pallid shoal Ive been keeping the conversation about the game and complaining about the game you're complaining about an insult that wasnt even directed at you get real.

[weary pasture]

Ur just completely throwing the fun part of looting in the name of making gears fair, alright so be it, if that's his vision then there's nothing to do but switch to another game if they intend to make it a battle royale then fortnite is way better🤷‍♂️

[prime egret]

where do i go to report a player?

[golden pasture]

This guy has less than 1k hours, never killed a boss in his life and runs in squire gear for most of the wipe, otherwise there is no reason for you to like this patch

[sacred briar]

10/10 rage bait. Respect the hustle

[mild plinth]

Mb homie was in the wrong chat.

Genuine apology, keep up the discussions and have a good one.

[keen wren]

correct on one count, im under 1k hours, only barely though

[pallid shoal]

I don't like to see pieces of garbage express their hate to others. Sorry to hear you're a sad, frustrated individual with a lot of hate to give and nothing else.

[quaint lantern]

They've removed the "looter" tag in the steam store...

[wicked geyser]

guys its ok just let sdf cook

[golden pasture]

yea so you just enjoy fireballing the shit out of everyone, i respect that honestly, but you could do that before as well and wiz was even way stronger back in the day, so you already missed the peak wizard meta, unless they gonna smoke crack again

[timber remnant]

I've been staying rational for the most part recently. I'm just trying to have an actual conversation about the changes. But at this point everyone is kind of set in there ways. Also Idc if you dont like to see that. Grow a thicker pelt, a stronger spine, some bigger balls and stop whining over insults. Especially WHEN THEY ARENT EVEN DIRECTED AT YOU. You aint superman, nor are you Captain SaveAHo

[devout glacier]

Womp Womp. Welcome to the real world snowflake. Mental handicap is almost as funny as racism

[sacred briar]

How dare you use that language to describe people? That is disgusting!!

Words are words and if you’re that offended, don’t go on the internet. People are nicer irl

[keen wren]

im actually a ignite rondel dagger enjoyer, we are a rare breed these days

[pallid shoal]

You guys clearly have very tiny appendages, and even tinier capacities for empathy. Adios "snowflakes," lmao.

[rigid cargo]

cry

[timber remnant]

Jesus what a crybaby

[devout glacier]

W Nexon Lawsuit! W Nexon! Let’s go NEXON!!!

[wicked geyser]

guys the state of the game isn't the greatest but just take it slow yall give sdf some time to think its a lot for him to take in

[devout glacier]

SDF has brought shame to his family. Seppuku is the only honorable way forward. Nexon will second.

[timber remnant]

Shogun was a great show @sacred briar Yeah he's genuinely slow I think lmfao. Idk how he doesn't see the irony.

[rigid cargo]

u cant report somebody for team killing 🤣

[sacred briar]

How’re you gonna cry about words then call everyone that 😭😭😂

Too dull to see that though 😂😂😂

[golden pasture]

yea i mean its even more brain rot gameplay, ignite haste invis and just w key people, should be ok now but nothing too op.
btw on patch 68 rondel wiz was way better, you actually had hp and could 4-5 tap any pdr kid.
I respect the love for pvp but this pvp will just stay the same because gear is not really giving much change from squire gear anymore, and everyone gets bored at some point if they fight the same fight over and over, imagine league of legends with only 9 champions, it would be a disaster, same here.

[crimson osprey]

add back multiclassing please

[distant sage]

Hi, where can I report abuse? As in chat/verbal abuse

[devout glacier]

Finally a good idea! Maybe if we just keep stacking all the bad patches together it will eventually be okay!

[keen wren]

on squire gear the build is absolutely stronger than average. every time i died, it was my own fault. solod teams of 2 several times. and im talking 2 barbs, ranger fighter, etc

this is also one of the key differences why i think this patch is the start of something great. this build was not viable in squire gear before patch 69

[crimson osprey]

ye multiply negatives by negatives type shit

[sacred briar]

This is mathing up

[distant sage]

Cool, thanks everyone.

[frosty linden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/765640757548679208/805843007956844564/based_1.gif?=

[golden pasture]

yea but they just need to make scaling worse but base damage higher, it will balance the dmg giving it more dmg early on and same dmg on end game gear, that is exactly how they shouldve tweaked numbers on every squire class and make it scale on a balanced way (which it definetly wasnt).
I fully support in people running in squire gear and trying to make cool builds usable, but if you exchange the actual excitement from the game to let some guy who just downloaded the game have a better squire build its just not healthy to the game because at some point you will also want to kill hr bosses and solo wyvern and run viola or spellweaver and whatnot, and with this current gear its just not worth to run it and also NOT FUN to run it.

[devout glacier]

I think we’re onto something here boys. Leave 69 how it was then add multi classing back in then remove arena and make DRUID crazy OP and boom we’re back on top!

[keen wren]

finally, now the losses actually feel like a "skill issue"

[keen wren]

facilitating new players to have more fun by providing the basis for more playstyles, sounds like a great starting point for growing the playerbase by retaining more new players

You have to trust that they will bring back the mechanics that made this game so much fun, on the higher tiers as well

[devout glacier]

Bro no one here is gonna tell you how to snitch lol go brew alone in your dark room because you don’t like mean words. Womp Womp.

[lucid mist]

I went into trios and duos yesterday squiregeared with bows in my inventory and won my fights - doesnt that mean something i wrong?

[frosty linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033420008694501389/1265843771334066307/attachment.gif

[devout glacier]

Anybody wanna cross into Mexico illegally and then come back as an illegal to get that free 2500 with me? Infinite money glitch!

[tired maple]

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

[timber remnant]

Lmao. Womp Womp

[sacred briar]

I’ll do it but I just want the free Costco membership

[devout glacier]

So I can get your 2500, phone, and housing?

I’ll meet you in ElPaso at 12:69

On October 40th

[golden pasture]

i dont know bout that, when triple ranger can just hit once a guy and insta kill him on the spot with squire gear, this game is based off trios btw, high roller sweary trio gameplay, this what they balanced it for and what they said they will balance it for, and having a squire kit triple ranger with traps 2 tapping a kid with bis set is just not skill, w keying and 2 tapping everything with barbarian that has more base hp than my bis bard set is not skill, hitting 3 splash fireballs is not skill, i can go on with more shit that is kinda strong now, but i think you got the point.
lower ttk meaning getting 3rd partied is almost 100% lose, and with this squire gear being this good compared to bis gear, you dont need to RISK anything in order to fight a guy who risked couple hundred thousands of gold is not a good risk-reward mechanism.

[sacred briar]

Yeah I just want the free Costco membership I’m sick of justifying to my wife the membership fee when all I get from there is the $1.25 hotdog and the rotisserie chickens

[stuck lion]

Any reason to kill bosses? - new player who sucks at moving

[keen wren]

🇱 🇪 🇹 🇸 🇩 🇫 🇨 🇴 🇴 🇰 🙏

[wooden coral]

the community’s reaction to hotfix 69 reminds me of blizzard’s community’s reaction to mists of pandaria lul

[crimson beacon]

How many more players lives do you want to take SDF ? HOW MANY MORE LIVES WILL YOU TAKE

[versed dome]

im still new , any idea which is better ? Stilletto or Rapier for rogue

[golden pasture]

@keen wren also this, no reason to kill bosses specially for new players, gear is worse now meaing its harded to kill bosses for new playes, keeping them stuck in place and the loot from the bosses is not even worth the kill unless you get a named unique
@stuck lion you can solo hr bosses with squire kits but you need to know what youre doing, i would recommend trying crypt bosses in normals while in a trio team

[jade delta]

not right now, they nerfed all gear to the ground

[wary magnet]

expensive stuff does WHAT out of them?

[dawn depot]

sdf weird I quit

[keen wren]

squire gear is now enough to defeat bosses, seems like that means the opposite: new players get more free tries at the bosses without losing their hard earned gear

[upper stone]

I would say there is less skill in fights now and you are kinda trolling with this take. With lower ttk worse player can just randomly one-tap a better one, due to luck. In higher ttk scenario better player would be able to outplay and play around something stupid happening compared to just getting one-shot. IDK what game we played but I never got gear-checked outside of highroller and even then it was because I was spending like 2k on a set and barely risking anything.

Also squire gear was already enough to defeat bosses

[turbid pine]

"now" enough?

[coral rivet]

I just loaded into a lobby where i was the only player???

[golden pasture]

you will not get 'free tries' on bosses because people are farming it like crazy, you will just fight people with some gear that probably already fought in hell thousands of times and you will just get destroyed

[keen wren]

What I meant was that for a new player, with the squire gear changes, it has now become easier to defeat the bosses

@golden pasture free tries as in they are not losing gear they had to buy with gold to have a better chance at fighting the boss. assuming they need to use the gear for a better chance at killing it

[crimson beacon]

happened to me couple of times

[golden pasture]

yes i understand, but you already could solo any boss in the game in the old squire gear, and that is also the best way to learn these bosses, going in normals with squire gear
@plucky venture people alr doing it, even in wyvern

[coral rivet]

was ice cavern solo xd

[feral light]

what is a cockatrice lucky feather for?

[chrome haven]

You know what's great gameplay, warlocks out running you in phantomise I'm really glad they fixed that ... oh WAIT

[sacred briar]

Regardless, I kinda hope they revert back to 68. Didn’t hear much in terms of complaints. Everyone had gear so gear diff wasn’t really bad. But there’s a lot of good games out/cuming out so I’m indifferent if they do. I got like 200hr out of DaD and for $30 that’s pretty good :))

[keen wren]

also, its not like any more people are farming the bosses now than before, so it makes no difference

[quaint burrow]

a quest.

Now anyone know if the gear pool 0-24 still exist?

[feral light]

oo thank you

[golden pasture]

to learn a boss you need to go into normals with squire gear, that is simply the best way to learn it, but getting free tries in hr is not really optimal, and again you could solo any hr boss with the old squire gear.

[keen wren]

🇱 🇪 🇹 🇸 🇩 🇫 🇨 🇴 🇴 🇰 🙏

[chrome haven]

smash door 2 hit kill barb is bis.

I imagine casual player experience right now is absolute garbage.

I played a game yesterday where I wiped the lobby as horseman axe barb.

I got outplayed a heap but you know ... I move at light speed and 2-3 hit kill everything with a one handed weapon

[sand heron]

is that why i cant even find a match?

[drifting finch]

DELETE THE BARB

[narrow crown]

Barb is a really silly class tbh

[golden pasture]

no one is playing this shitty patch

[sand heron]

i posted the screenshot. I tried for 30 minutes. Then i found one and theres nobody in here

[torn inlet]

My lobby’s are mostly empty recently

[sand heron]

i literally posted the screenshot. I had to switch servers. Are you saying my screenshot is photoshopped and fake?

[torn inlet]

It’s pointless to argue

[sand heron]

i have nothing else to do. the game is unplayable. @plucky venture its in wiz chat

[karmic karma]

8.7k on steam rn all time low in months. stop the cope it’s actually cringe and delusional

[viral sand]

remove that shit of patch game are dying cause of it men

[sand heron]

arent you the one coping considering all you can do is say im lying and then pretend like you cant see?

SG and JP. I never had this problem before

[hard rock]

Is the game dead rn?

[torn inlet]

Kinda goes back on what you were just arguing no? Odd

[sand heron]

exactly, hes just coping lol. I posted screenshots but he pretends like he cant see them or that im faking them

anyone can join wizard chat with a click. Its not a locked channel only for wizards

[merry dune]

damm dark and darker reach 41 % its almost mostly negative

[upper stone]

Why are you even replying, if you haven’t seen the image? You are just sitting here and going “nuh-uh you are wrong”

[torn inlet]

Denial must be warm and cozy this time of year

[sand heron]

if he closes his eyes then he cant see it. its his only way to cope

[torn inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-what-cant-read-blind-gif-8671467

[drifting jolt]

Was really hoping I'd come home from work and they'd return the patch. So sad

[upper stone]

Y’all white knights are there reason why this game might die. You see average concurrent players dropping this fast and still whiteknighting all over this patch and say how great it is. I hope devs are a bit smarter at least

[quaint burrow]

idk because no one said nothing about the 125+ being removed or not. So now i think maybe there are 2 pools 0-24 and 125+ that incorporated the 25-124 gear pool? it's only an assumption. idk for that i'm asking if someone really know

[sand heron]

I agree. They are ditching the current playerbase and trying to attract a new playerbase. The question is if the game will die or not in the process.

[runic fractal]

0-24 and 25+.

[worthy valley]

Honey, wake up! New DND fan art just dropped! #dnd-fan-art

[stray heart]

dou not get ap from using expressman

[vast wave]

For the quest to kill 10xAxeman and 10xSpearman, can I do this in the crypts even tho quest says in "The ruins of forgoten castle" ?

[sand heron]

Why would the players come back unless they revert to the game where there was a reason to play? Without content, progression, or fun theres no reason for them to come back. They are trying to appeal to a new playerbase not the current one.

[weary pasture]

Does last minute empty lobby still work?
I know they said they fixed it but did they actually

[rigid pivot]

No (they said it was fixed in patch notes but havent tried)

[worthy valley]

yes

[vast wave]

thanks 🙂

[spiral mica]

that one time forsen played dark and darker... it was epic guys! Lets go! Can we get some pogs in the chat? #Forsen #DarkandDarker

[upper stone]

#69 did not introduce any new content and only made some changes that sabotaged core gameplay loop

[quaint burrow]

because the game is evolving constantly so more stuff will be added and more thing to do 🤣

[summer bloom]

People are upset for valid reasons. I know this discord sucks ass and it's been like cry wolf with these guys. But there is a lot of bad issues with patch 69

[hardy mauve]

tbh what games main discord doesnt devolved into a whine barrel every other week?

[golden tinsel]

We held the line for this?

[cobalt mica]

I think people forgot that the beloved patch 68 was step one in this new direction, they said the increased drop rates for higher rarity items was in preparation for the big changes they were planning to make

[upper stone]

Can’t wait for them to tweak numbers for 2 wipes only to come up with a new gear system later

[jade delta]

patch 68: 35k players a day. patch 69: 17k players a day

[quaint burrow]

They are trying to REMOVE the pools so remove the gear system. they removed 1 pool out of 3. We only need to wait and see what they can make happen. instead doing this useless critics say something more helpful...

[upper stone]

Patch #68

[weary pasture]

Ahh yes i hate when the playerbase complain about the game dying, they should just be quite while sdf complete his vision

[spiral mica]

Let's go guys! Let's support forsen's journey through the dungeons! FeelsStrongMan I know we'll get it! Let's get it guys! No stopping now. BibleThump We're going all the way! Can we get some pogs in the chat guys? #Forsen #DarkandDarker

[upper stone]

I said plenty of helpful, now I am just making doom posts. Hopefully they do something good this Thursday.

[quaint burrow]

keep saying helpful thing, why switching in doom posts XD?

[weary pasture]

Am I being delusional or messages getting deleted rn?

[plucky helm]

If they do rollback into patch 68 I feel like they should give bear form and more weapons base armor pen

[forest relic]

with every day they waste. losing more and more people... stop letting the game die please. its been one hell of a ride. lets keep it going

[hardy mauve]

i mean remind me, this patch was supposed to encourage more skill expression and deter less chance of "gear diff"
but instead, has just caused us to see which classes are just great off the bat and can fully abuse the mechanics of the games combat system (barb n ranger).
yes?

[zealous jay]

Steam charts ain’t looking good man……

[quaint lantern]

Who is this forsen you be sucking?

[runic fractal]

Tbh if they didnt touch loot at all but made new queue instead or normals. So hr for geared and normals only gray gear nothing besides squire enters normals we would get the skill lobbies and skill in building kit lobby

[upper stone]

Trust in the vision

[spiral mica]

Forsen talked about balancing the game and he was like yes! Do it dad! :forsenSS: EleGiggle I voted for forsen! PogChamp Let's get it guys! Can we get some W's in the chat? #Forsen #DarkandDarker

[upper stone]

They had that and during steam release a lot of people didn’t like it, so they added more brackets

[hardy mauve]

im trying to trust it but im still stuck on how it's been what, 2 years and the main metas have always been Power/Range/Speed with defense being a a curveball

[delicate terrace]

guys what is the discord orange role SGF mean?

[runic fractal]

The only issue with more different queues is fact that with too much of the, low playerbase will feel like no human

[viscid radish]

game is DYING,do something @glad thunder

[sacred briar]

Anyone try that sulfur game yet

[zealous jay]

Vision of blind man will never lead to anything brother recent changes made me lose hope after being with this game since PT4 it’s so cooked a whole year of little to no content with back and forth “balancing” only to lead to this I’m so disappointed they chose to die on this hill I really do hope they turn it around but atm games dying fast

[spiral mica]

That one time forsen played Dark and Darker. BibleThump I really had a good time, it was a good time. PogChamp Let's go guys! Can we get a W in the chat for this moment? DansGame Weebs

[quaint lantern]

I can't believe my dog shares a name with you

[upper stone]

Even though I started last wipe I feel the same. I think gear checking was a non-issue as there were brackets for people who don’t want to invest a lot and hr for people who like to build kits

[calm jackal]

did yall know that ironmace scans your data searching for cheats but that means they can sell your data on dark web etc? (even tho they say they wont)

[zealous jay]

Fighting someone who has better gear than you was the skill expression it’s sad to see them turn the game into a BR if people are too new and don’t know how to get gear just stay in 24 lobbies

[stuck lion]

Citation? (Edit: if true i am very interested)

[worthy valley]

Why they removin my fan art ;9

[turbid pine]

what class, if any, would value 2 dex over 2 agi?

[spiral mica]

When forsen mentioned this game... FeelsStrongMan That was a great time. PogChamp He mentioned the game! LULE PLAY THE GAME angrE WHAT?!

[calm jackal]

3. ANTI-CHEATING SOFTWARE AND DATA

3.1 To prevent cheating behaviours in-game, our games contain anti-cheating software known as “Ironshield”. This works by: (a) monitoring your hardware and processes; (b) analysing game binaries; (c) scanning and logging hardware identifiers and processes; (d) taking snapshots of device memory and screenshots; and (e) logging other technical information as listed in section 3.3 below; in each case only for the purpose of detecting and preventing cheating in our games. @stuck lion

[forest relic]

rogue. barb. slayer fighter. bear dex druid. ranger. basically all classes that have decent dex action speed builds

[stuck lion]

Thanks. I was intrigued if it was stated that they do this. I am also interested on a more low level technical level but Id guess if have to talk to the iron devs to know more. (Not happening lmao)

Edit: just mildly curious.

[calm jackal]

I mean you can check reddit or something but generally there is section 3.3:
3.3 Where Ironshield detects any unauthorised activity, we will be notified of technical information about your computer, device, hardware, and software you use to access our services from you, these include: (a) game and account identifiers; (b) your IP address; (c) device identifiers; (d) information about the running operating system; (e) information about game-related and operating-system-related files and memory; (f) information about running processes, drivers and other executable code; and (g) in-game screenshots (of the game window only). 4. CONSEQUENCES OF CHEATING 4.1 If we determine that you have used any unauthorised third party software in conjunction with our games, or otherwise breached this Anti-Cheating Policy, we have the right to: (a) exercise any of our rights under the applicable game End User Licence Agreement, including the right to suspend or terminate your access to the game without prior notice to you and without issuing any refund for content you have purchased from us; (b) suspend or terminate any account you hold with us on a temporary or permanent basis; and/or (c) where your actions could constitute a breach of laws which apply to you, report you to appropriate law enforcement authorities.

[gray relic]

there is one thing about this game that has always been the nr1 problem for me and any new player. and that is getting stuck on random tiny things. Or going up a rock that just randomly stops you.

[stuck lion]

Id agree. Lots of hit box collision issues but it could be said its a "feature, not a bug"

Edit: i get tf outta dodge when near lamps or walls lmaoo

[cloud zealot]

I have over 1000 hours in this game, and after he last 2 patches I refuse to bring gear into highroller dungeons against 90% squire kit lobbies. Thought the idea was for gear to be accessible to everyone, but in your minds legendary squire kits was the answer.

[spiral mica]

FeelsStrongMan Forsen mentioned the game! PagMan He talked about it! PagChomp When forsen played the game it was a great time.

[main wing]

Really like the changes since the big patch the other day

[spiral mica]

Forsen talks about the game. He talks about it all the time! PogChamp Can we get a W in the chat for Dark and Darker and forsen? #Forsen #DarkandDarker

Forsen has expressed a mix of enjoyment and frustration while playing "Dark and Darker." He appreciates the game's intense PvPvE mechanics and the thrill of exploring dungeons, but he also highlights the challenges, like the game's difficulty and occasional bugs. His humor and candid reactions contribute to the entertainment, often making light of the frustrating moments. Overall, he seems to enjoy the game's competitive aspect and the unpredictability it brings, which aligns well with his streaming style.

People are drawn to "Dark and Darker" for several reasons:

Intense PvPvE Experience: The combination of player versus player and environment creates thrilling encounters. Players must navigate dungeons filled with monsters while also being wary of other players, making every session unpredictable.

High Stakes: With permadeath mechanics, each run feels significant. Players invest emotionally in their characters, leading to tension and excitement during gameplay.

Exploration and Looting: The game's emphasis on exploration and finding loot adds a layer of satisfaction. Players enjoy uncovering hidden treasures and valuable items, which enhances the thrill of each run.

Community and Interaction: Streamers like Forsen bring a unique perspective to the game. His humor, reactions, and interaction with chat create a lively atmosphere that draws in viewers. Forsen’s entertaining playstyle and commentary help make the game more enjoyable, showcasing both its fun and frustrating moments.

Challenge and Skill Development: Many players enjoy the challenge "Dark and Darker" presents. It encourages learning from mistakes, honing skills, and developing strategies to survive and succeed.

Forsen's engagement with the game showcases these aspects, making it a fun watch for his fans and adding to the game's appeal overall.

He plays "Dark and Darker" because it aligns with his interests in challenging games that offer both intense gameplay and opportunities for comedic moments. The game's mix of PvPvE elements and high stakes creates a dynamic environment where he can showcase his skills, entertain his audience, and engage with the community. Forsen often enjoys the thrill of exploration and the unpredictability that comes with player encounters, making "Dark and Darker" a fitting choice for his streaming content. His interactions with chat and his humorous take on the game's challenges keep viewers entertained and invested.

He'd probably mix humor with some candid frustration, emphasizing the unpredictability of the game and how it keeps both him and his viewers on their toes. His commentary would likely include a lot of banter with chat about the game's mechanics and his own mishaps.

[lunar charm]

Honestly I like this patch lol , my value went down hella for my stash but idrc it’s fun

[spiral mica]

His ability to turn frustrating situations into entertaining content highlights why viewers keep coming back for his take on the game. Overall, Forsen's presence in "Dark and Darker" not only showcases his gaming skills but also emphasizes the community aspect that makes streaming so engaging.

[sand heron]

i never condtradicted myself. You must be projecting. The fix is to revert to 68. They had a great base to build from and then destroyed the base. No that doesnt make any sense. Players will not come back to a game they dont want to play.

[lunar charm]

I was a demigod every single season bud and played since day 1… Also my demigods spread across 5 diff characters. Dm if you want proof because I won’t talk all day like a child

[golden tinsel]

we held the line for this?

[spiral mica]

You’re looting, fighting, and then bam—Rothschilds out of nowhere! Just like in life, the RNG gods are always watching, ready to ruin your day. It’s intense, frustrating, but also super fun. You never know what’s around the corner, much like those conspiracy theories. Just remember: it’s all about survival, and maybe don’t bring up the Rothschilds too much!” His blend of humor and skepticism would keep things entertaining while poking fun at both the game and broader topics.

[sand heron]

I posted another screenshot that you will deny and say its fake. You're now avoiding my arguments and resorting to personal attacks. whos coping here?

[spiral mica]

Forsen enjoyed "Cyberpunk 2077" for its immersive world, rich storytelling, and engaging gameplay, especially after improvements in updates. The freedom to explore and customize characters added to the fun. For "Dark and Darker" to capture similar enjoyment, it should enhance its narrative elements and lore, offering deeper quests and character development. Improving mechanics and providing clearer progression could make each run feel more meaningful and engaging, creating a more immersive experience for players.

[hardy rivet]

Idk, i don't really like forsen's content, i prefer JustFishBait he makes way better videos

[lunar charm]

Typically the best players understand game balance since we used it to our advantage to get good. lol.

[spiral mica]

He enjoys the chaos, humorously reacting to RNG moments and intense encounters, appreciating the high stakes and unpredictability that keep each run exciting and entertaining for his viewers.

Forsen loves the unpredictability and humor in gameplay, while Nickmercs appreciates the strategic elements and intense competition, making it a thrilling experience for both streamers and players alike.

[sand heron]

Thats not how it works. You're disregarding basic logic. If theres nothing to do in the game, no reason loot, pvp, boss or doing anything why would I play the game? If theres no fun in the game whats the point of playing? Once the urgent issue is fixed, only then will i come back to play regularly as I did before. I am still here waiting for the crucial issue to be fixed.

[umbral zenith]

I main ranger/fughter/barb and even I think 1 shotting people with a windlass is dumb AF

[spiral mica]

In "Dark and Darker," Forsen enjoys the chaotic encounters, while TimTheTatman and Ninja appreciate the strategy and teamwork aspects. Pokimane adds her own flair, highlighting the game’s fun unpredictability, making it a favorite among streamers.

[sand heron]

Arent you the one saying that I'm lying? You refuse to look at the screenshots I posted? You're personally insulting me? Doesnt that make you the child here?

[main wing]

I could 1 shot people before the patch with my windlass, I accidentally killed my teammates all the time with collats

[idle grotto]

Pretty sure pre patch 69 u still 1 shot ppl with windlass not pdr class tho but if u headshot basicly any class that doesn't stack enough HP or pdr

[spiral mica]

Forsen revels in the chaotic PvPvE action, while Optic Scump appreciates the tactical gameplay and teamwork required. Both enjoy the game's unpredictability, creating thrilling moments that keep players and viewers engaged.

[umbral zenith]

Not in norms you didn't

[sand heron]

Once again, you have to resort to personal attacks. Anyone can click the wizard chat its not a locked chat. You just refuse to believe what doesnt fit your narrative. You close your eyes so you cant see it.

[spiral mica]

Forsen humorously critiques Nadeshot's abilities in "Dark and Darker," playfully suggesting he may struggle with the game's chaotic elements. He appreciates Nadeshot's strategic mindset but often highlights the unpredictability that can catch even skilled players off guard.

[ancient karma]

lowkeybruh u be talkin like ai

[spiral mica]

"Forsen, come on! I know how to adapt! Just wait until I show you my skills—I'll be the one surprising you in the dungeons!" - 100T Nadeshot

[umbral zenith]

Let's be fair forsen and Ninja and the lot of them seem pretty set in the Diddy files to me

[spiral mica]

"Forsen’s just mad he can’t keep up! Nadeshot’s got the strategy—just watch him turn the tides when it counts!" - Optic Scump

[pastel acorn]

hi

[umbral zenith]

Diddy done did what Diddy did do when Diddy did Diddy and Diddy on you

[jade delta]

Patch 68 was a huge success and everyone loved it. thats why they completely changed the game

[median holly]

Yeah devs hates players being happy in the game, what a insightful take, makes total sense.

[spiral mica]

Forsen playing Dark and Darker is always a fun experience! He brings his unique humor and laid-back style to the game, often mixing clever strategies with chaotic gameplay. You can expect plenty of hilarious moments, whether he’s making some brilliant plays or getting hilariously wrecked by enemies.

[jade delta]

35k daily players, to 17k daily after 1 patch, crazy

[median holly]

What a solid review of a patch launched 4 days ago? sounds very totally unbiased and credible

[prisma hawk]

Is this patch that bad?

[jade delta]

oh ur right, people need to chew the shit some more, before realising its shit

[ancient karma]

it doesnt take 4 days to realize how bad a change is. doesnt even take 1 day of playing

[median holly]

The level of mental capacity of the haters is mind blowing to me, like I don't even like the patch but you guys force my hand being this butthurt.
Lets remember that this patch isn't even a week long and already got more tweaks, you're a kid who can't wait for more changes, if it isn't fun go play another game instead of suffering like this in the chat

[rocky estuary]

Anyone else thinks that crossbow skellys should deal less dmg? like 5-10 less dmg so it doesn't one shot low health classes with the recent HP changes. One simple mistake and I am dead on inferno. And those goddam skellys are so well placed to fuck you up. (Maybe cap the damage to a lower amount but increase it's armor pen idk)

[jade delta]

so emotional, take a break from the game pal

[spiral mica]

forsen

[midnight ember]

revert the patch SDF. FUCK YOUR EGO

[modest tinsel]

Wow the words

[prisma hawk]

I am new, XD I don't even notice the changes much 😅

[junior wing]

game is trash now and i u think otherwise ur just dumb

[burnt violet]

the dopamine hits is what makes this game so rewarding and fun to play... its the same thing with a game like tarkov or rust. you act as if its a bad thing to have dopamine in a game wtf

[median holly]

How long are they taking? I see you deleted your msg, but could you remind me when was the patch 69 and when was the patch 69.1? i'm getting old i forget dates, must be a long time since they launched for you be complaining of taking too long.

[prisma hawk]

What are gear brackets? Can someone explain how removing that enraged a lot of players here

[spiral mica]

The game that forsen plays. PagMan Dark and Darker chads unite! 🔥 Let's get it bajs! #DarkandDarker #Forsen Don't forget those pogs in the chat!

[jade delta]

the stronger ur gear, the higher your gear score. there were seperate lobbies for below 25 gear score players, 125 gear score, and infinite gear score lobbies

[spiral mica]

Forsen has generally expressed enthusiasm for "Dark and Darker," appreciating its unique blend of PvPvE mechanics and its retro-inspired aesthetic.

[median sand]

Try skinny pete

[drifting hinge]

I keep trying to play this game every day, but just until first game when I get oneshot by ranger or barb, then I just log off and try find a new game, I am pretty much done, probably try again tomorrow but as soon as I find something else, I leave this sht

Warlock is a joke, 90HP then as soon as you cast anything you down to half HP, you cannot outrun anyone so you pretty much dead

[jade delta]

losing 55% players on weekends is crazy

[median holly]

That's a good choice, games are for having fun, if it isn't fun anymore time to change. I took years to learn this, I player League of Legends while hating the game for too long.

[karmic comet]

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[jade delta]

patch 68 i used to spend 5+ hours everyday on dark n darker. patch 69 only about 0-15 min a day

[burnt violet]

what are these comparisons?? you get dopamine from doing anything that feels good in your life. you realize people also get dopamine when they eat a food they like? or if they are around a person they like?
you explained nothing.

[steep pawn]

Protect yourself. I give you my strength.

The day of reckoning has come.

The happiest day in your lives was in the past. From now on, darkness follows.

The future is dark and darker

😔
🙏

[astral charm]

Played a match and it felt like reading a page in a book but not paying attention so you have to reread it again

[median sand]

So your saying we are effectively doing drugs when playing DaD?
Might have missed a point but that doesn’t make sense

[burnt violet]

nobody has a dopamine addiction and if they do its probably you bud. you just compared getting dopamine from doing heroine, you are bricked.
you fail to understand why people are upset about this patch and chalk it up to a kid being addicted to tiktok and screaming when u take it from them.
you are genuinely delusional

[jade delta]

bro what dopamine addiction, i loved to chill and walk around killing npcs and collecting gold for no reason(almost no reason)

[burnt violet]

why do you keep calling me dopamine addicted? i can agree having too much dopamine is unhealthy but youre treating dopamine as a dangerous drug when its healthy for every human to have a considerate amount of dopamine in their lives.
why would i not want dopamine from a video game??? why do you think im playing the video game in the first place you mor0n? its to get dopamine durrr durrr

[gritty iron]

SDF was like everyone likes bis, so everyone will have it, playerbase increase go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[calm jackal]

Make test server free and impliment changes there before putting em on live servers

[burnt violet]

you cant even come up with something new to say. youre cooked bro.
run out of things to say in that empty head of yours?

[fossil hare]

most of these fools complaining will still be complaining once its reverted lol

[upper stone]

Yes people will complain about fighters and druids, a sign of healthier game

[steep pawn]

Im kinda upset because i lost precious time playing this poopoo game. I realized how meaningless is to grind or play competitive games with only goal to get better items and pvp for adrenaline rush/dopamine/thrill of losing/getting better items from fights. Without looting aspect this game has very little to offer. Theres like no mechanics at all, the game is extremely simple.

Im all good ofc. Im not some extreme addict. Just realized my mistake and lost faith in devs xD

Bought longsword and started HEMA classes thanks to this game tho

[burnt violet]

thats what im saying. the pvp in this game is laughable compared to games like mordhau
the 1 unique and special thing this game had that no other game had (other than maybe tarkov) has just been completely stripped from this game.
theyve ruined the fun for the players that actually play this game and have been playing since a long time in exchange for making the newer playerbase happier.

[steep pawn]

Pvp and combat "mechanics" (lmao M1) are like basics and those are extremely poor. But aside from combat theres nothing. Crafting is XD, no skill trees, no subclasses, no alchemy, no cooking? Fishing? I dunno custom lobbies to 1 vs 1 people? To test stuff? Guilds??? Religion is literally choose free buff and click twice xDDDDD etc etc. You get my point i hope. You cant even DM people in any normal human way. Its click and clicker UI. Not even tutorial? 0 character customization. Theres nothing but near constant numbers changes in perks/weapons/skills/armors/classes stats. Played 6 months, had a blast got bored, kinda sad for time sink.

[void bough]

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[burnt violet]

its really sad thats what this game has become.... just a never ending cycle of changing numbers and values around.... ive been playing this game since playtest 1 and watched new content get released month after month and it was always so fresh and exciting. lately and now more than ever with these new patches its just going to be more constant number changing without focus on adding actual new content.
its laughable they want to push this update out to make it easier for new players yet they wont even provide a damn simple tutorial.
this game has so much potential to become amazing and sdf is spitting on it. i dont expect them to recover from this patch and am certain they will continue down this path of just constantly changing numbers around.
game was fun while it lasted

[golden tinsel]

What did we hold the line for? This patch? Is our mettel to be tested once more by these malevolent creators? My shield arm grows heavier once more my brothers in arms.

[steep pawn]

😭 dont hate on minikraft

[worthy valley]

JUST HAD ANOTHER GAME WHERE A BARBARIAN LEGIT WIPED THE WHOLE LOBBY. GLAD TO SEE THE NERFS WORKED! STILL THE TANKIEST CLASS, STILL THE MOST DAMAGE. REALLY BANACED. THE DEVS HAVE THE COMBINED IQ OF A GOLDFISH FOR THIS

[hexed bloom]

Is warlock Antimagic flat Magic reduction or percentage of current defense rating? 👴

[cold mural]

Yes boys! These numbers are amazing. Today we really see the drop in player count after arena is offline and people have nothing to do.

[worthy valley]

JUST HAD ANOTHER GAME WHERE A BARBARIAN LEGIT WIPED THE WHOLE LOBBY. GLAD TO SEE THE NERFS WORKED! STILL THE TANKIEST CLASS, STILL THE MOST DAMAGE. REALLY BANACED. THE DEVS HAVE THE COMBINED IQ OF A GOLDFISH FOR THIS

[serene mesa]

BUFF BARBARIAN

[carmine kelp]

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[serene mesa]

It’s flat, very good perk

[hexed bloom]

Word I'd always sleep on it cus i thought it was +25% of whatever low Mr i had 🫂 ty brudda

[drifting osprey]

I have just communed with the gods, and I fear they are angered by our lack of sacrifice. For them to revert the patch, they require a sacrifice of three celibate individuals, so anybody defending the update will realistically due.

[strong ember]

gear nerf is not enoguh lets make all calsses equall 😭 babyrage

[covert drum]

When are they gonna buff Barb again I fought a trio of a ranger a wizard and a rogue and I had to 2 tap them all, this is unacceptable. I only had 3 quarters of my health left, ahh such is the plight for dark and darkers weakest class

[dull nacelle]

I just try to imagine how these whiners react when they go through their first break up. How can you be this mentally weak over a game patch?

[modern atlas]

Sounds like there's a gap in game knowledge vs actual skill and complaints are filling the void for those unwilling to adapt

[strong ember]

they whine too much but you catn say this patch is good (you can see it by looking at playercaunt and reviews)

[dusky spruce]

It's a scientific fact that a good video game puts out more positive content than the average relationship.

[worthy valley]

I STARTED PLAYING BARBARIAN NOW AND I KILL EVERYONE I MEET IN THE LOBBY. THIS IS SO MUCH FUN! I CHANGED MY MIND, BARB IS AWESOME

[upper stone]

Patch is awesome!!! Just play barb!!!!!

[drifting osprey]

I'd suggest taking a moment to reflect on why people are complaining. If the playerbase felt heard and understood by the devs, it would be as simple as a majority of players expressing their discontent followed by a quick reversion of the action. But instead, we're locked into a battle with a singular member of their development team. I urge the people defending the patch to take a moment to understand the gravity of the situation, a generous portion of the playerbase is unhappy, and they feel ignored.

[karmic comet]

Keeping myself grounded but at this point I'm just praying they didn't kill it completely, every day without a rollback is permanent damage, I wish the best for the game but not what it's becoming. I still love this community and I'm going to fight for what I want, it's our game just as much as it is SDF's. The review bombing, the outrage needs to be a wakeup call, our voice will not go unheard. I refuse to help kill the game I love by coping and saying it's gonna get better from here.

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @glad thunder because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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Keeping myself grounded but at this point I'm just praying they didn't kill it completely, every day without a rollback is permanent damage, I wish the best for the game but not what it's becoming. I still love this community and I'm going to fight for what I want, it's our game just as much as it is SDF's. The review bombing, the outrage needs to be a wakeup call, our voice will not go unheard. I refuse to help kill the game I love by coping and saying it's gonna get better from here.

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @glad thunder because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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[serene mesa]

it's not this serious man

[wispy tide]

can we go back like 3 updates

[karmic comet]

It is this serious for people that have loyally supported and played the game since the playtests.
The playerbase is being alienated and the game we once loved is completely tuined until the patch is reverted to Hotfix #68

[winged scarab]

yea cause pdr rondel fight was soooo much better right? afufufu

[dull nacelle]

I would love to see you refer to any sources rather than stating something so extreme. There's no way that playing games is more substantial to your mental health long-term. Just look at how the vast majority of this discord are reacting, do you think this is healthy? It's tragic to see grown-asz men sitting and capslocking once every 2 min to revert a patch in a game, they are totally consumed by it. And to go to such length as in "protesting" is childish, the game is still in early-access which reserves the possibility to make any changes for the developer. Or is it hard to read what you sign up for? It's insane to be honest how labile some of you are.

[serene mesa]

all they did was make it so gear isn't as strong anymore, it's still pretty good.

[bitter pewter]

"All they did" squire cloth pants 5 dex, unique cloth pants 5 dex

[karmic comet]

You fail to understand the problem and thats okay. It doesn't make it any better though.

REVERT TO HOTFIX #68

[modern atlas]

It is a game. You will find more loot. That loot will change to eventually

[golden tinsel]

I may hold the line once more for my brethren, for this dream to become actualised by these currently malevolent powers that be. My sword, though chipped and blunted, will continue to cut down these northern foes. The archer will fear my shield, my bastion in the long night amidts these forgotten corridors of the crypt. We now hold the line against those that send us into these dungeons. Stand strong, stand together.
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[dusky spruce]

Marriage is a live-service program that costs more money as time goes on, and the child DLC is extremely expensive content that you aren't even allowed to keep. The only game that comes to mind with that kind of shady practice would be Destiny 2.

[karmic comet]

Keeping myself grounded but at this point I'm just praying they didn't kill it completely, every day without a rollback is permanent damage, I wish the best for the game but not what it's becoming. I still love this community and I'm going to fight for what I want, it's our game just as much as it is SDF's. The review bombing, the outrage needs to be a wakeup call, our voice will not go unheard. I refuse to help kill the game I love by coping and saying it's gonna get better from here.

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @glad thunder because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

[wispy tide]

i agree revert to patch 68

[hexed bloom]

It's not cope when the game can literally, only get better from here on out 🫂

[crystal sinew]

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[dull nacelle]

You do realise marriage is not the sole solution to maintain a relationship? Also, having a child is one of the most beautiful experiences in life, I'm sure games made you sterile enough to realise you just want to spend away your life on dopamine kicks on a game rather than experiencing the only chance you have. Just cause you fear wandering into the unknown of your life, it doesn't mean that science is supporting your way of life, it's just that you rather watch yourself drain your life out in a video game for the remaining time you have, which is subjective to you.

[wild oasis]

anyone knows how high roller ap is being calculated for item achieve? the wiki seems to be outdated

[wispy tide]

his dream is bad the game has become pub g

[obtuse harness]

They could bring back multiclassing.... (just pointing of there still wiggle room to get worse to lol)

[outer crane]

If sdf fixes it and the game is good again everyone remember to change your reviews!

[dusky spruce]

Marriage is the full game. Regular relationships are just paid demos, which is a scam.

[quaint lantern]

💯

[hexed bloom]

Yo chiiiill I haven't recovered from the panther ranger/ rogue trauma 🥺

I'll take 5 next patches like #68 than get put thru that again (fair point*)

[wispy tide]

R.I.P Dark and Darker patch #70

[hard roost]

he just decided that his vision will destroy my whole stash i was working on for half of season

[hexed bloom]

💙 🧙‍♂️🫂 🫂 🧙‍♂️💙

^ show sdf sum love bro needs it 🥺 he typed in Gen chat peep it

[karmic comet]

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[obtuse harness]

50/50 chance. I am more angry of the blind side of destroying gear mid wipe and the patch 69-1 being a "look now you can stop crying". Its one thing to shake game up start of a wipe, or even announce it prior with a roadmap of why. I mean anyone have any kind of idea what the plan is? Its poor community communication, constant yo-yo buffs and nerfs to classes and barely any new content. I was content with 68 but reskining old ruins is hardly to get excited. If he wants game to be more noob friendly. Make training versions of each dungeon. Nothing to detailed that can be hosted on a players computer that doesnt have any loot. They can boot up a map and practice mobs and bosses alone or with their friends. Hell i never learned how to do Hell bosses cause i dont want to sit around for 20-26m to go down 1 time. So many simple things they could do that i am positive people would like and breath more life into the game. Nah the just destroy the looter part of a loot - extraction game. Might as well play chiv where the combat is cleaner

[dense pawn]

Here is a gear system I would love to see in the game:

• less gear rarities: 4 would do
• every gear item (except basic squire) has an extra random modifier that is stronger based on rarity
• gear items above basic have a number of sockets for gems/enchantments, based on rarity, but can vary on same rarity (example: blues can have 1-2, legendaries 3-4)
• items can be broken down into components for crafting or for enchantments (gold sink & good recycle for items)
• you can loot gems and ancient scrolls that can be identified by alchemist/other npc, who uses them to upgrade your gear

If you like the idea, maybe give it a vote.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/590621/total-gear-rework

[signal ibex]

He said the patch was the first step. I feel like a lot of this community loves to grab the pitchfork but has the attention span and patience of a squirrel because no one can wait even a few days for anything before they cry and cry and cry about playing an early access product

[quaint lantern]

🔥 ideas

[steep pawn]

Add tarkov style weapon customization. This will save the game.

Headshot should also oneshot. Add armor thickness and penetration mechanics. Make it war thunder x tarkov!!!!

[hexed bloom]

I like that you included the gem/ socket system too 🫂

[modern atlas]

Unfortunately, this is the case for most gaming "communities" now a days.

They literally bullied him into doing what they want

[dense pawn]

Sdf said he might remove random modifiers until wipe, I'm guessing he is at least considering a system like that.

[quaint lantern]

The socket gem system will make things way more interesting and varied

[signal ibex]

It's clear it's IMs first company, but also at the same time, people don't seem to read or pay attention and then shoot off wildly at the hip. Changing loot up isn't the end of the world. Review bombing an early access title because you can't wait a few days and you're an actual child? Very poor taste lol

[hexed bloom]

Yea! He mentioned what you suggested on a podcast in August or early Sept*
personalized kits and builds would be sick!

[signal ibex]

Why aren't there a billion people in here complaining that the random modifiers that sucked got taken away and you want magical interaction speed back?!?!?!?!?!?!

[hard roost]

where is my regular interaction speed on warlock bruh... now i cant loot fast

[obtuse harness]

Most people would not of cared if it was not middle of the patch after hours were spent putting gearsets together. If the change was at the start of a season. Would recieve 10% of the hate. Further more you cant just trust the process. People like to have an idea of whats going on. If there was a statement of this is where we want to be, this is how we are going to do it. Probably 40% of the hate gone even with a mid wipe patch. If you just kick a beehive dont be mad if you get stung

[barren trellis]

Where can i see the current number of players in game?I forgot where it was

[cold mural]

These devs are too prideful to even revert the barbarian buffs. They just nerf some other random thing instead of reverting the buff they gave. This shows that these devs won't admit their mistakes and don't know what they're doing.

[hexed bloom]

I enjoyed 315 ms warlock while it lasted ngl 🥺 stinky barbs will catch me once agn

[modern atlas]

Have you developed a game

[noble furnace]

Because it makes items lose their value and so the thrill to loot. A legendary weapon now has so few variations in stats. The spear for example can roll only Additionnal weapon damage / Armor Pen / Health / Phys Power / Phys Damage. The fact that you can no longer get a shitty spear is a problem for me, to the economy and the joy to have found the perfect one.

[cold mural]

no, but I have ran multiple business and I can see the signs of imaturity in leadership.

[karmic comet]

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[dense saddle]

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[obtuse harness]

patch 68 made farming simple. in 5 Hours i made about 40k gold in normal games optimally farming and killing bosses and sub bosses. My cousin who is complete dog S had 2 10k kits ready to go. Farming gear is not hard. You dont need to spend endless hours farming. Literally can open a few chest in normal game and have a shot at 1-2k g drop items. (not everyone was given participation trophies growing up and understand to be better takes effort and time. Researching never hurts either)

[golden tinsel]

A noble cause. You hold the heart of a truly kind soul.

[crystal oxide]

I have a clip of 2 players shamelessly teaming
what channel in here should I report them in?

[modern atlas]

Sounds like projection to me.

[outer crane]

This is very valid and I have the same opinions as you in all areas. Them reverting it will mean I undo my bad review, it's basically conditioning them to release positive things

[stoic geyser]

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[cold mural]

Projection is a valid form of empathy.

[calm jackal]

@glad thunder sorry for ping, but could you implement big changes, like for example multiclass, on test server first, so you can get the necessary data for a big update before implementing the update on live server?

[night patio]

:p

[tepid depot]

@dense saddle @karmic comet no need to spam this anymore, it will be somehow revert now

[karmic comet]

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[obtuse harness]

yes you can get legends from normal chest in sub 24 lobies. Not only that bat crafting something like oh god i forget the name of the pants they are craft dex agi that base sold for 1k gold. Are you playing Free 2 Play? From 1 game i can pull close to 1k gold alone in just treasure. I can seee if i can find the video on loot prio if gold is truly a problem for you.

[cold mural]

Game devs are very fortunate to run the type of business where they get instant feedback on changes from their customers. They need to listen to it if they want to run a successful business. Players want a tactical game, where every kill and death matters, not an unga bunga one-tap rainbow six siege. The maps are designed such that we have points of interest where players can compete for an objective, thus encouraging players to risk their life for a potential reward. When you implement these gear changes and low TTK you remove all of that. The game turns into a cycle of - wait 2 minutes for queue, spawn rush, kill or be killed, wander around an empty lobby and kill your character to mobs for a quick reset.

[hexed bloom]

@obtuse harness you reminded me tht i should prob buy purple gear now before it is buffed (or the rest is nerfed) don't you go off buyin all the pants now

[cloud wadi]

Sdf will do a partial maybe 30% revert and then slowly patch in around 5-8 months slowly reverting the patch to 68 with no new content

[cold mural]

its probably the opposite he will do a 30% revert only to slowly creep more towards his vision, like boiling the frog.

[cloud wadi]

You mean like Korean game dev nikita-min-jung?

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[sudden mural]

no you don't understand they spent 100 hours and $30, so obviously they know more about game dev than actual developers

[obtuse harness]

Do you even play the game friend? you do realize that as long is not a weapon most blues and purps sell for a solid amount. They require 1 solid roll to make 400+g on meh gear. Something tells me you just dont make it out. (let me see if my items still sold i think i have 6days to claim gold after sell havent logged since but should still be there

[sudden otter]

hope everything got change tomorrow

[obtuse harness]

Right... but your original message called out people who had gear. Man i bet your family tree looks like a telephone pole

uhm your calling me a liar when lit you can watch streamers pull gear worth way more from norm chest. Im just saying either you bad you genetics are not diverse or you a waste of time. Which is it?

[spiral schooner]

Shit talker right in front uf us!

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[stiff lynx]

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[hexed bloom]

Only thing i pull.. is a muscle from having a wired mouse and small pad 🥹 worth 0 gold

[obtuse harness]

uhm my point is you were saying only reason people upset cause they lost gear and needed to touch grass. I said patch 68 made gear and gold farming fairly easy u could farm tons of kits in a few hour of normal dungeons lol. Like i said either you dumb, your a new player and dont understand the game or you are a troll lol

[frosty terrace]

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[obtuse harness]

its not about losing the gear. I play rust loots gone every month. Its being blindside about losing things. No warning, didnt wait til new season. Just out of the blue flipped shish around. Most people feel more disrespected then anything boss. like im sure you read alot already most people wouldnt be so mad if this was mention more the 24hrs befor happening or stated hey this is what we are doing next patch.

[karmic comet]

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[sand cosmos]

100% agree with that bud, why grind this season for it all to go to shit, they shoulda waited until season wipe

[white magnet]

Pentagram AOE spells cancelling often on uneven terrain, or at the edge of their range is still happening. It was supposed to be fixed, no?

[burnt violet]

i am very glad they took out regular interaction speed as a stat so i cant make a full interaction speed build to put on when doing the wyvern and actually farm more than a couple ores.
yay

[echo zealot]

pays for early access title is shocked when game gets restructured

[obtuse harness]

The announcment shortly befor the patch came out? Early access game dont just turn on a dime mid season. They use their test servers and unless there is a game breakjing mechanic they will not revamp so much. Bro got to get off that galaxy gas lamo

[hard roost]

thats just nonsense what u are saying here.. there was not a single warning that u should farm shit cuz u gonna lose it half season

[uneven inlet]

Whenever you see a barbarian you have no choice except to kite. however in dark and darker you are forced to turn around to kite. This means that barbarians are able to get free frannie throws which have no audio queue while you have no visual queue. barbarians are able to move at high speed so you cant assume they have frannies out because if you dodge to avoid frannies then they are able to hit you with their fast movement speed while one shotting you

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[echo zealot]

have you tried ice bolt

[burnt violet]

has anyone gone and tried warlock with as much healing and will as you can stack? its genuinely insane.
if i put a curse and sacrifice on 2 or even 1 mob i become unironically invincible. i heal from 1 hp to 100% in a matter of 2 seconds

[hard roost]

then show me, when there was warning on start of the season ur gonna be fcked half of it lol

[weary pasture]

W patch, half w, need a lot of fixes but it's good you can farm with base gear easily nowq

[worthy valley]

LMAOOOO THERE'S 7 BARBARIANS IN A LOBBY HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT IS THIS

[hard rock]

Do the devs know how bad they messed up?

[weary pasture]

Yes he said it, all the w patch gone now

[obtuse harness]

Are you talking about his rant or the patch notes. SDF rants all the time its not uncommon. He does it in Q and As and he has done it in chat. So yea without saying hey guys next week we are going to change gear is alot diffrent then hey I been thinking of doing stuff. 30m before patch 69 comes out by the way we are completly leveing out gear to the point that anytime used to farm quest or item doesnt matter. lamo. Tell you what i got to finish some paperwork befor i pack up my stuff and leave work. If you feel that its okay thats fine i truely dont care. Simple thing is you triesd to insult people cause they were upset and said on sweats had gear to be mad about just told you not that hard to farm. Goodluck with you 30k kits your for sure farming off players and remember diversity is good for the gene pool. Lol

[radiant sinew]

This game has lost all its flair ggs patch 69 killed the game.

[hard rock]

Well SDF usually apologizes to us after he rants so it's not too big of a worry

[sand zenith]

The numbers don’t lie, we ended up hitting 6k in dungeon and 7k in lobby. Lowest in months.

[frosty terrace]

gear is getting changed back anyways (thank god) so arguing is pointless

[weary pasture]

Yep, where all the w patch dudes

[solemn shore]

I thought religions would be maxed out lvl 20 by now

[frosty knot]

Surely all playing the game and "enjoying" the patch

[weary pasture]

Enjoying the last moments before they have to loot like everyone else

[frosty island]

Create a system that rewards friendly, cooperative play over PvP. In a village-like hub, players could form guilds, trade, and organize raids. PvP players (such as player killers and thieves) would be marked as “outlaws,” limiting their access to the village and restricting team formation compared to cooperative players.

For dungeons, enhance the atmosphere by turning off some default lights and expanding caves/dungeon to 10, 20, or even 30 levels. Allow solos, duos, and teams of up to five to explore, and if they encounter other friendly groups, they could join forces to form larger teams of 10–20 players. This would create a more true, cooperative dungeon-crawling experience instead of a PvP brawl. Thank you, Ironmace!

[mild rapids]

hello can someone pls tell me how to craft? i have riveted gloves and 2 copper powder, what else do i need to do?

[versed eagle]

sdf resign as dev ty

[frosty island]

True make me the leader dev ! Because why not!

[grave geode]

there was no noticeable drop in player counts after the last few patches, the player count is going down because we are almost 2/3 of the way through this wipe which is normal

[versed eagle]

sdf talking about his "vision" like a modern day h!tler. Replace him with terence and the game will thrive

[frosty island]

Terence? Well am i not good enough? What makes him better than me? Pls explain yourself ! Oh Wait you don't even know what you talks about u just yapping! My bad!

[raw torrent]

I didn't like many aspects of Patch 69 (namely flat hp loss across all classes and barbarian god-mode), but I am thrilled that the devs are experimenting new things and willing to take risks to push their game beyond its limits. It made me a better player by having to adapt and change my playstyle. No more loot carrot and amazing squire gear made me practice boss runs. Looking at previous years of development and at Patch 69-1, it's clear that they are analyzing the data and adjusting the game to make it better. These growth pains are necessary for this game to reach maturity and its full potential. I hope the devs stay true to their vision and continue to amaze us with this amazing game for many years.

[hasty valley]

go play Ultima Online, that seems to be your game.

[midnight ember]

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[karmic comet]

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[frosty island]

No thanks i stay with my game dark and darker as the head dev!

[marble chasm]

My thoughts on recent patch:

• weaposn with good rolls are less exciting now, because the likelyhood of finding a weapon with good rolls is common, however the difference in static stats between weapon rarities does give a bit more looting incentive that raw patch 69.
• the thrill of putting on gear in hopes of killing a geared team is lack luster, especially in HR, since mechanical skill can carry you to victory without investing into gear
• the risk-reward of HR has been significantly reduced, since you can just go into HR naked with no-risk and high reward. The gear system encourages people to go naked into the dungeon. It feels like <25 where you just W-key anybody without no thought, and after a couple rounds you will luck out and kill a geared team without losign anything. Nobody will wear gear at this rate, making gear, money, and progressive non existant
• i enjoy the difference in static rolls of weapons from path 69.2 vs 69.1, capes, jweledry and lightfoots.I dislike the rest of the gear having all the same static stats no matter the rarity. Makes looting feel uneventful. Nevertheless, I dislike both patch 69.1 and 69.2 compared to patch 68.
• the fast time to kill in geared lobbies >125 that people didn't like in patch 68, which is why we love <125 lobbies, is now a thing for any gear score. TTK is too fast. It's unfortunate since counterplay is reduced
• as a decent ranger at this game, I find the game more boring now that skill matters more, interestingly enough, because I can win without any gear. The loot has so little meaning that winning a fight with whites vs. a team with gear is common if your good at this game, so it doesn't feel rewrading cause gear isn't important.

Summary: no progression feeling, the excitment of putting gear on is gone, the excitment of finding great gear is gone, I struggle finding joy from this game

[tame lantern]

The problem with the game rn is that theres 3 main classes that just DOMINATE - Ranger, Bard & Lock

[frosty island]

The main problem with the game rn is that everyone think they know the problem with the game rn and everyone has other opinions than everyone rn and when all wants to be the main dev it's also a problem because they all think they are developers rn.

[worthy valley]

We don't want to play Call of Duty.
We don't want to play Fortnite.
We want to play Dark and Darker!
GIVE US THE HP BACK!!! LONGER FIGHTS = MORE FUN!!!

[obtuse harness]

oh the ending paragraph. I guess its fair to they thats a warning.I will give you they gave a week warning items may change in the future. But like i said originally to you saying only uber nerds had gear. After patch 68 gearing was super easy and made high roller super accessible. I mean obviously players still felt disrespected or the out cry wouldnt be so cray cray. First time i have seen a petition going around with i think 1.4k sigs to replace SDF and even IM yes men YTs are even talking S about it. But got to pack up the laptop and go home now. Goodluck with w/e your doing. Muah

[marble chasm]

@frosty island That's not the main problem. If nobody voices their opinion and gives constructive ctritisim, the devs have less of an idea of what poor design deicions were made and will have more difficulty improving future patches. People should be encouraged to give feedback in a constructive way

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[frosty island]

No a headshot means u been hit by a desert eagle like in counter strike. It's normal to die from a arrow in the head and i want game to be realistic and since i am the main leader dev i get to choose as i please!

[celest spindle]

Removing instruments as items and making them auto equip for music would be an overwhelmingly positive change with basically 0 drawbacks

[dense pawn]

Since they are reworking gear right now, here is a gear system I would love to see in the game:

• less gear rarities: 4 would do
• every gear item (except basic squire) has an extra random modifier that is stronger based on rarity
• gear items above basic have a number of sockets for gems/enchantments, based on rarity, but can vary on same rarity (example: blues can have 1-2, legendaries 3-4)
• items can be broken down into components for crafting or for enchantments (gold sink & good recycle for items)
• you can loot gems and ancient scrolls that can be identified by alchemist/other npc, who uses them to upgrade your gear

Leave a vote if you like the idea: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/590621/total-gear-rework

What do you guys think?

[marble chasm]

@frosty island realism in a game that's not a good indicator of of proper game design. Imaginge adding a 'breath' button, and if you forgett to press it once a minute you fall over. The issue with one shot in games means less opporunities for counterplay. Counterplay creates skill expression

[frosty island]

True radiorandiinmyname if u can't tell some of my sentence is just meant as a joke/fun.

[umbral zenith]

When can I have my goblin skin sdf plz thanks I need to live up to my name ingame

[solemn shore]

I like it but this is a huge role play commitment

[marble chasm]

@celest spindle less creativity and play making would be a downside. Iv'e heard people bring Resourcfulnees instruments with regular interact speed to loot treasure hoards faster. In fact, the recent weapon roll limitations also suffers from this. Buff duration rolls from weapons were removed, and I hear clerics suffered fro mthis

[frosty island]

Yeah but would be a epic game 😄

[worthy valley]

We don't want to play Call of Duty.
We don't want to play Fortnite.
We want to play Dark and Darker!
GIVE US THE HP BACK!!! LONGER FIGHTS = MORE FUN!!!

[hoary flax]

Lmao guys stop rioting SDF posted on discord and said he will revert tomorrow, GAME IS SAVED

[celest spindle]

Valid downsides, but they are definitely outweighed by the sheer aidsness of having 4/6 utility slots blocked

[marble chasm]

@celest spindle Tha'ts true

[celest spindle]

Bards instruments are a problem:

• they waste 4 item slots in the loot pool as effectively useless items
• they serve virtually no purpose for every other class
• they block 4/6 of bards utility slots which is pointlessly annoying
• manually selecting the instrument for the song doesn't make the class more difficult, it just adds clicks for the sake of clicks (aka being annoying)

Removing them as items or making it just 1 combi-instrument bundle would be a positive change for every class, especially for bard

Idfk how to use discord formatting

[hoary flax]

True, honestly I think if he nerfs squire gear stats by ~10% and then adds some more un-relative rolls back to the pool it would fix things.

[quiet sun]

It's the same as rangers having to fill arrows It is a minigame for bards

[celest spindle]

I'd argue bard is in an even worse position with 4/6 utility slots blocked, so if they want to take any utility that's on offer to them such as : pots, bandages, campfires, throwing axes and knives, they only have 2 available slots for them

However it's still ass with ranger and we are LONG overdue quivers

[marble chasm]

@hoary flax If ironmace wants to continue with this vision, then I agree. The recent jwelery static stat differences by rarity, apply that change to armor too. So white strength boots would give you 1 strength, green boots 2, blue & purple 3 , and legendary 4. This would make fighting in blue and purple gear identical (assuming similar rolls), and green geared teams would be simil.ar in strength. Having squire gear compete with high-end gear rendering looting pointless, a horrible they for this game

[flat haven]

I just dont think I, personally, will be satisfied until gear has different base stats between rarities. It can even just be 1 point. The random modifiers are not really enough.

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[hoary flax]

yeah, that sounds pretty good. Its complete bullshit that I can run squire barb gear in highroller on spam and have a pretty great chance of killing anyone I meet. Why even gear up? Spam squire gear

[spiral canyon]

no. white give 2, green and blue 3, epic and gold 4 and 5

[gilded trout]

Community needs to get better, Barb is the easiest class to counterplay by far

[marble chasm]

@spiral canyon true true, white used to give 2

[eternal lily]

make epic or more only usable in high roller, make leg and unique the same stats as epic but with more rolls and make it so that to get epic or better you have to loot big chest or kill bosses but it is guaranteed to be epic or more, that would make it so there is a point to have gear to go in high roller, make looting have a meaning without finding random legendary in a normal crate or an average goblin and incites you to go look for them with a challenge and would keep the normals a place more new friendly

[marble chasm]

@gilded trout It's not about skilling or getting out-skilled. If you are decent at the game, you can consistently beat geared teams by only using squire gear. You aren't risking anything.. This incentivizes not wearing gear, removing all excitment from winning fights, looting chests, and bossing

[hoary flax]

L take lol. im a player with 2k+ hours on barb. Get better than me? Sure you can outplay me but its not as simple as you make it sound.

[gilded trout]

If you can beat geared teams in squire kit, you deserve to win, especially since different rarities give dif stats again.

[hexed bloom]

close to 20k on 🥹 welcome back stink

[worthy valley]

We don't want to play Call of Duty.
We don't want to play Fortnite.
We want to play Dark and Darker!
GIVE US THE HP BACK!!! LONGER FIGHTS = MORE FUN!!! WHY DO YOU THINK THERE'S MOSTLY BARBARIANS IN LOBBIES NOW? BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MOST HP, THE MOST DAMAGE.

[frosty island]

Hey i only play rogue

[bitter pewter]

man i could 1v1 with my eyes closed

[vivid pendant]

are people still crying out here?

[hoary flax]

well sdf promised to fix some changes so the crying worked 🙂

[gilded trout]

They still think the games on patch 69, most of em are gold sell/buying bots

[loud roost]

Yall are so pathetic

[hoary flax]

you're a nincompoop if you think 69-1 fixed anything. I have so much "BIS" stat gear now that I have to vendor BIS epics to make room for legendaries that sell for 100g on market.

[flat haven]

How is voicing your opinion in the hopes the devs make the changes you think will be best, pathetic?

[gilded trout]

My intelligence being questioned by a member of the doomer cult, how shall i ever redeem myself

[karmic comet]

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[marble chasm]

@frosty island Deserving the win or not, if a win is accomplished consistently via white gear, it devalues gear, devalues looting, and makes bossing dead content

[frosty island]

It's not true! If u lose against white gear it's skill issue! Simple as that!

[gilded trout]

Say it louder

[loud roost]

Voicing your opinion with reputable facts, data and other information is fine. Crying, with no context on your claims is completely different. Sitting in discord to cry about a game, without any real insight other than “MAKE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS WAHH” instead of going outside and letting the developers develop is quite literally the definition of pathetic

[hushed carbon]

My buddy setup a Juan Tap counter and has been hitting like 20 1-tap windlass kills a night the last couple nights streaming. Literally killing whole teams with 1 shots. Medieval sniper rifle is the vision.

[flat haven]

I see what you are saying completely. However, if it wasn't for the large portion of players just crying there probably wouldn't be any meaningful impact. There will never be a time where everyone contributes some well thought out changes. Mass crying is unfortunately the best way to get results when it comes to game development if you asked me.

[hushed carbon]

Dude you're crying about "crying"... 😆

[hoary flax]

Idk where people say "no context" crying comes from. Lots of people made plenty of good arguments for why the patch was bad. I feel like anyone who says "W patch" just refuses to relate to their reasoning. Even a ton of people who liked 69/69-1 admitted how negative some of the stuff could be for the game's health. Like 0 counterpoints for our concerns and instead they just say "stop crying" lmao

[loud roost]

I just don’t think the majority of the community actually says anything or goes into discord to give their entire opinion. What you are seeing are the people that play all day. I don’t think listening to this community is the best way to go about making a decision. The hardcore player base is limited. Most people have jobs, lives and are not 20 years old living with parents. If they want more than 20k people playing the game at one time, the direction they are going in is right. It’s sad people are so impatient they won’t even let the devs make 4-5 patches in this direction. Yes, game is broken, but will be for a limited time for a possibility of something really great and less time consuming for the majority.

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[dense igloo]

We need to add a cl0wn emote to the game after this fiesta

[hoary flax]

Then the Dev's should give us a Development timeline for patches, or plan changes thoroughly and drop them all in one go instead of the crap we just got.

Just because we are used to random patches doesn't mean its "Good" its just what you've settled for, and most of us are fucking tired of it. They need better planning and timelines OR JUST USE THE DAMN TEST SERVER. stop making excuses for them.

[loud roost]

I would say SOME have made some really good arguments. More so here than in general chat. Most are trolling or have no original thought in their discussion.

[hushed carbon]

People don't play games they don't like. You can't force them to. Player count has fallen. You should be thankful they came here to explain why they quit instead of just leaving alltogether. Most games the player base just collapses and that's the end of it.

[karmic comet]

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[marble chasm]

@frosty island I agree there is a skill issue involve. I don't agree with your point that dismisses how strong white gear de-values gear. If white gear is good enough, in the proper hands (a skilled player) to beat geared less (or equally) skilled players, you don't have a reason to put gear on. There is no reason to risk anything. You just PVP a dungeon without risking anything. That mentallity can easily spread, meaning nobody brings gear into the dungeon, and now there no reason to loot or boss

[flat haven]

Hmmm I'm not so sure about that. You say that what we are seeing are just people who play dark and darker all day so maybe it's not the general consensus, but based on the amount of (the emoji that must NOT be named) emojis on the patch notes I think even the job having individuals are not that happy.

[frosty terrace]

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[loud roost]

Yes, the hardcore player base has fallen. Honestly, if you compare it to previous wipes at this point, it’s not 100% of the player base in any means. I just feel like IMO, if they want to grow the game, they need to stop focusing on the immediate community and start creating new environments that are less time consuming.

@hoary flax 100%.
If they actually communicated half of the roadmap, I think some of the unhappy players might be happy again. We’re at a point where we just don’t know where the game is going. It takes turns at different corners all the time, changing the game entirely. To be fair, that’s how early access works. To not be fair, they keep blaming it on their “language barrier” instead of just hiring a professional interpreter.

[hoary flax]

I really dislike any posts about "Player skill". Like, what is your final vision? For everyone to be PvP gods and the player skill base to be crazy? 1. where is the fun in that saturation? that is what kills alot of games, especially from a new player perspective. 2. Why even have class balance then because some classes when played "perfectly" are unbeatable, ranger, wizard etc. Like player skill should matter but its something achieved by a vibrant gaming community naturally overtime, wtf are you trying to force it for? Such naivety

[hushed carbon]

About 10-20% of the player base has left directly after patch 69. Spin it how you want. That's a bad thing man.

[karmic comet]

Keeping myself grounded but at this point I'm just praying they didn't kill it completely, every day without a rollback is permanent damage, I wish the best for the game but not what it's becoming. I still love this community and I'm going to fight for what I want, it's our game just as much as it is SDF's. The review bombing, the outrage needs to be a wakeup call, our voice will not go unheard. I refuse to help kill the game I love by coping and saying it's gonna get better from here.

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @glad thunder because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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[past lark]

gearcels seething over squirechads

[marble chasm]

@loud roost You are probably right that there is a bias in opinion in discord posts. For example, I play runescape, I don't watch a single video, I never posts anything on social media, I just play the game seriously a few dozen hours per year, and so my opinion, and players like me in runescape won't be heard. It's safe to assume real casuals (those who consume no content, don't look a social media, don't watch dark videos, and don't read the patch notes) don't have their opinion reflected here. But if we were to base game design decisions on the opinionns of such players, there is a real risks of ruining the game, given their ignorance about subject

[flat haven]

Yeah the random patches can be so frustrating. SDF even mentioned that he felt no joy from finding gear in the dungeon this patch. But like.... shouldnt he already know that? If they utilized the test servers more I think these patches wouldn't be such a slap in the face.

[quaint lantern]

Since they are reworking gear right now, here is a gear system I would love to see in the game:

• less gear rarities: 4 would do
• every gear item (except basic squire) has an extra random modifier that is stronger based on rarity
• gear items above basic have a number of sockets for gems/enchantments, based on rarity, but can vary on same rarity (example: blues can have 1-2, legendaries 3-4)
• items can be broken down into components for crafting or for enchantments (gold sink & good recycle for items)
• you can loot gems and ancient scrolls that can be identified by alchemist/other npc, who uses them to upgrade your gear

Leave a vote if you like the idea: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/590621/total-gear-rework

What do you guys think?

[loud roost]

Where you getting your metrics? Steamdb? Look at numbers again.. we’re almost 2 months into wipe as well. Generally, there’s about 20k players on about now. Which there is

[hoary flax]

I agree, something i just want people to recognize is a game survives off its "Core" players and its the Dev's job to attract players outside of that with a positive gameplay loop.

Even if this Development cycle now was aimed towards attracting newer players it was also killing its "Core" playerbase more. Which from what I've seen has been the death of many other games before.

[karmic comet]

False sir. Ye clearly aren't lookin at the numbers. The patch Shrekd the game. The patch is in fact so bad that it gave me pneumonia IRL lol

[past lark]

gearcels seething over squirechads

[hushed carbon]

Run a week over week Analysis on approx 20+ data points using the publicly available data; steam charts website. You can extrapolate trend through that. Compare equivalent time period, ie. Tuesday 8am now vs Tuesday 8am last week, Sunday 9pm vs Sunday 9p., etc. You'll find a range of +5% to -25 % with an average depreciation of 10-20% depending on where you take your data points. This shouldn't be a revelation either, look around you. If you don't think a good chunk of players left, you're delusional.

[marble chasm]

All my friends (including myself) stopped playing because there is no reason to loot and the risk reward is gone

[loud roost]

True but let’s take a small game that turned huge for example. Rust. If anyone is familiar, rust used to be only hardcore players. Right around 15-20k players. Recoil was completely skilled based. They held onto the hardcore idea for a long time. Eventually, wanting to expand, they took out skill-based recoil. Now, more playable by casuals, they have more than 100k+. Switching to a more casual, less skilled and time consuming, way to play the game isn’t completely a new idea

[exotic trout]

Where’s my w patch lovers I need a copy and paste send some w patch lover emojis

[hoary flax]

I think there is a massive difference between removing skill-based recoil and what the devs did here. The equivalent would have been like making it so blocking with Right click makes your entire character defend or something. Imagine if rust was like "harvesting resources now grants you 100x the resources" thats more equal to what happened here.

[flat haven]

I see what you are saying, but there were more than 20k players before recoil change. It was more like 50-80k concurrent at any time. That was also the worst change that they ever implemented imo.

[marble chasm]

@yurkos if you only catter to casuals, at in the way the game is now, once they kill their 100s skeleton and slay their 15th team (all while in squire gear), the toxic loot system the dedicated players are complaining about now will become quite apparent (IMO) to any casual player that starts taking this game seriously. So your gona have an issue of dedicated players leaving which may outway the number of players joining. A way less risking player population would be a core player base that doesn't change

[hushed carbon]

Dude... you think the rust base isn't hardcore players? Have you played rust??? Bad example to use... you can't find a team to HIT FARM NODES without 1000+ hrs. For monument on any vanilla server its 3000+ hrs 175 AK spray. They gained some casuals by allowing modded servers not run by the company with alternate rules after going out of business and being purchased by a new company. That's not what Dark and Darker is doing at all... if dark wants to release public modded servers I'm all for ot.

[karmic comet]

Here ya go. Love Hotfix 68!
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[loud roost]

There hasn’t been a REAL insane drop in players. 10-20% I’ll take your word for it. I’m just looking at the data, it just seems like this is what it regularly does. Oct 4th, oct 17. It’s been on a downward spiral since the start of wipe, not really going off of track for the updates

[sand zenith]

The crazy part is nobody is against a better game, we want more skill expression but the combat is so shallow crushing gear gap literally makes it worse! The skill was build diversity and out positioning people, trios specifically.

What we needed was a combat rework, momentum swings, potentially a stamina system, etc. And more advanced AI that run away, are hard to cheese, and are difficult to fight.

With this change it’s like they removed raiding out of rust, loot doesn’t matter. There’s no gameplay loop besides kill now?

[wicked scaffold]

Def agree, they basically just tossed years of balancing out the window, I think they do these sort of terrible patches that take minimal effort to distract from the lack of content

[flat haven]

Ok, do not let this guy cook. This sounds like an adding inertia to tarkov change.

[cold mural]

There is a very obvious trend since patch 69 on steamdb. The peaks were relatively flat last week. Since patch 69 there have been 4 days of decreasing peaks.

[hushed carbon]

No man, average depreciation is 1-3% every 2 weeks. There was actually a 7% INCREASE to player base after patch 68. Then a 10-20% drop after patch 69 within 3 days.

You can't seriously be arguing with me that players didn't leave and this is all normal can you? Look around......

[marble chasm]

@sand zenith exactly, and the players who don't see this just dont' understand the fundamentals of the game. Once such players invest a few dozen hours in the game, its not hard to imagine that they to will see how the end-game is non-existant and the game only catters to entry-level lacking PVP

[karmic comet]

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[loud roost]

Rust isn’t what it used to be is what I mean. It’s a game that was actually hardcore and became something totally different. From someone that has 12k hours, ending around 2020, rust is EASY comparably. That’s all I meant

No I’m not arguing your findings

[delicate terrace]

finding a 5k ring of vitality and my team kills me for it.. nice game

[gilded trout]

The end game pvp is now earlier in the game. Now its like youre fighting people in just Epic gear with no rolls. Any modifiers give you an advantage, they just removed the bad modifiers. I dont think youre as smart as you think

[sand zenith]

The TTK doesn’t change with gear the gap is still too low.

[flat haven]

Yeah, I agree. Compared to before recoil changes it's just filled with a bunch of filthy casuals.

[unreal obsidian]

Game still running like crap for some of us I assume?

[loud roost]

100% there’s some work to do. Kind of interesting, like others have said here, they don’t use test servers to create a real deep update. Instead they just dish out their latest idea and work on it while the game suffers lol

[hushed carbon]

Dude the player base from rust are all kids with 1000+ hrs. Anyone who doesn't have 1000 hrs is on a modded server. It was smart of facepunch to allow modded servers. Do you think it takes 1000 hrs on dark to get squire gear, or blue gear, or even legendary gear now? How many hrs currently to get a full legendary set. 3000 gold? 10,000 at most? 1000g a run killing skeletons. So maybe 20 runs if you die 50% of the time to skeletons. That's 10 hrs. 10 hrs for the best gear, which is no better than blue gear, in the game.

What can you accomplish in rust in your first 10 hrs? You have 12k hrs, you should know better... someone with 100 hrs, even 300 hrs, gets absolutely shit on.

[hoary flax]

Everyone has BIS epics and above at a moments notice, any person who can extract with a few 100g can afford a full legendary kit. Giving noobs better gear will not equalize anything or give them a better learning experience. I think ive ran down more noobs this patch than this whole wipe combined.

[marble chasm]

@gilded trout It's not about whether end-game PVP is accessible immediatly to everybody. The issue is that the current patch devalues gear, devalues looting, devalues bossing, and in long term devalues PVP for those that enjoy the risk-reward of looting after winning in PVP. Your are wrong in saying 'any modifiers give you an advantage'. If your weapon has +1 addition weapon damage, its generally going to still 2 or 3 tap someone with a white weapon. So time-to-kill isn't changed with a bit of gear on. You would need to fully BIS out your kit to make the rolls affect time-to-kill. Now why invest 10K in a kit, if squire kit almost gets the job done just as well? That is the issue. I am not against allowing new players experiencing end-game pvp

[sand zenith]

Yeah in 68 me and my friend where running down frostlight kids with purple weapons and random trash kits gear didn’t make the Timmy’s better.

[hushed carbon]

Dude patch 69 is the equivalent of spawning everyone in Rust Vanilla servers with AK Metal kits to flatten the curve. Do you think that would go over well??

[hoary flax]

very well written summary of the zero-gear progression feeling. If you rely on the PvP "experience" to attract players without loot incentive, this game loses a majority of its uniqueness.

[flint venture]

Why did I just get 1 shot by a barb? This patch is garbage

[cold mural]

@glad thunder & devs were trying to balance the game around winrate. This is made obvious by claims that the gear crunch made it easier for them to balance. All they have to do is balance the game around market prices of gear.

[loud roost]

True, that’s a great comparison and point. The hours:win is completely different than this game. Definitely doesn’t translate over, since that game is 10+ years in development lol.
I will say though, I really don’t agree with the gear difference. I agree, obviously gear should be progression. Legendary should definitely be better than squire, or blue even purple. However. I think the previous gear difference was way too much. You could quite literally almost become invincible if you compare your stats to someone with less gear than your own. I don’t think that’s healthy for the game. It’s too punishing for the majority of people IMO. I think the idea that gear is closer to value is smart, but they definitely have to create a bigger difference than there is now we can all agree on that. Gear checking people? What’s your thoughts on that?

[signal ibex]

I don't think this game needs diablo 2 levels of grinding for 100s of hours to get that perfect roll on an ethereal andariels visage for your merc

[hushed carbon]

AK kit vs crossbow kit in rust. Who wins?

Is that gear checking? Is that a problem for rust?

[hoary flax]

Rust is just a completely different game and the changes/issues they have are not the same as ours. Its not a fair comparison

[tulip smelt]

A1dan with crossbow

[karmic comet]

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[steady wharf]

I actually think it is a good comp

[storm mountain]

Bwainwot

[hushed carbon]

I'm using rust because he used rust as a comparison of why this patch was good, so I'm sticking with it. Wasn't my comparison to begin with. Scroll up to the start.

[loud roost]

Gotta agree with @hoary flax the comparability isn’t there. I think the base games are far too different

[flat haven]

I would like to agree, but rust is a game where you respawn in the same map and you can run back and have another chance to kill him. In dark and darker you usually only have one chance unless you get rez.

[tulip smelt]

gear doesn’t mean shit in rust. Eoka or Db wins it all

[hoary flax]

I think something DaD can maybe learn from Rust or all other games is just more efficient Patch communication and Dev Timelines, use the test server, explain your thoughts to us in NUMBERS please. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT! whether we like or disliked the last patch

[loud roost]

ROADMAP. ROADMAP.

[gilded trout]

Good gear is still good, ruins the economy for IRL trading. which is great

[marble chasm]

@loud roost I agree, the gear was quite strong and made you feel helpless when faced against a geared time. I perrsonally enjoyed that, since it gave incentive to grind. Nevertheless I do agree that gear gaps are required. If you can't feel it then loot doesn't matter. Gear gaps being to strong is definately an issue, but I think how it effects end-game incentive and progression means gear gaps are necessary. the question is how small can gear gaps be before gear feels pointless? Should a 1k kit roll squire gear? Should it be 2k, 5k, or 10K? If its too much of a money investment, there isn't a point to gearing. If it's too little, then new players will be unhapper when facing a team geared with blues

[safe yoke]

overall this game has always been about picking and choosing the fights you can’t take , gear or not, there are always hard counters or people who will just be better than you , the gear was a way of coping , rmts use gear and still lose cuz it’s always been about who’s known how to play the game and who clearly just wants to play every now and then , the casuals had the normals and the grinders had hr, the gear change made it impossible for grinders to have fun or the people who actually enjoy the game for longer than a day, that’s the people sdf should try to appeal to, sure new players come and go , I used to suck at this game and I’m still here , it captured my interest with the looter escape theme , now it’s just a shooter arena and it makes no sense, I see this vision sdf wants to make with this game , the gear needs to be tweaked a lot, so I won’t be playing for a while till the gear actually starts making sense , I still have faith in you ironmace

[hushed carbon]

Lmao I dunno man it sounds like Rust was a fine comparison when it was convenient and now that it's not, it's incomparable.

We can at least say it's a big game, successful right now. It also shits on kids in weaker kits. Absolutely dominated by people with more hrs. And has a huge difference in the scaling of kits as you progress.

That's the game with the growth model you chose.

[gilded trout]

Gear still has stats, rarities change the base damage/armor, only difference is starter gear is more viable, this is why i cant take yall doomers seriously. Yall cant even be honest. You have to be financially incentivized by gear gap or theres a skill issue.

[loud roost]

I said earlier I was wrong for the using the comparison after some thought

[mystic pivot]

I thought Escape from Tarkov would be a better comparison example.

[hoary flax]

I mean random thought too but I genuinely have not fought a Wizard, Warlock, or Druid that I can take seriously since the patch dropped. Those classes are Pmuch dead right now. Yeah I really do think this patch needs a reversion, there is just too much random damage floating around.

[marble chasm]

@gilded trout If the IRL money value of dark coins is hindered, then the gear doesn't matter as much. I'll agree with you, gear can still be good, but there is not enough reason to gear up because the risk-reward is gone. @safe yoke Who (casuals vs. hardcore) devs should catter to is definately a subject of debate, cause at the end of the day if they make more money cattering to one vs. the other, there is a clear better choice. As I pointed out before, if cattering to casuals ruins it for hardcore players, then it risks also hurting casuals in the long-run and they risks having trouble keep new players.

[tulip smelt]

The worst thing DnD does is tease updates that aren’t coming in the next update. When rust does an update you don’t know till it’s on test servers. These guys will talk of quivers and random map generators to get hype then people are bitter when they never come

[verbal abyss]

#dnd-memes-only message fair and balanced class btw

[gilded trout]

Gear is significantly cheaper and easier to find, you not wanting to bring it in, is a gear fear for no reason. If its worthless than bring it in for the extra stats?

[hoary flax]

Idk if you've heard of lost ark. But that game is a prime example of catering to Hard core. Top 10 revenue in stream just from a few thousand players who probably spend thousands on the game. But there is little to no influx of new players who want to enjoy it. Overall I think you need both core and new players to make a game viable.

[glossy pivot]

be me
friend says "lets play cool dungeon game like dungeons and dragons"
i like wizards
download cool dungeon game
wizard sucks 😦
ok ill play cleric to help fighter friend
work my way up to high roller
gear diffed
dedicate myself to the game to get the gear to be as good as my friend so I dont let him down
get the gear
wake up one morning
gear worthless

Seriously what was sdf thinking

[hushed carbon]

Yup, alot of people are with you man. Pretty fucked.

[merry marlin]

Dedicated to the wrong part my boy. Gear is temporary, gitting gud is forever.

[mystic pivot]

Exploration and looting were the fun of dungeons, but now the fun of looting is gone

[gilded trout]

Go sell gold on a dif game

[marble chasm]

@gilded trout Why would you want to bring any gear into a dungeon if the squire kit is enough to bully a lobby? Just for the sake of gearing up? Gearing up was exciting, since your investing in your chances to murder the lobby and leave with epic loot. Now that the squire makes you a god, you don't have to risk anything. People naturally want to avoid risk. Even if there is a super gear team, you could still beat them with squire. The incentive and mental is key here. Of course as a community we could aggree to all go in with gear anyway, even though we know a juiced squire-gear team could roll up, destroy us, and make us loose all our gear

[gilded trout]

If everyones on a similiar base level, than any modifiers give you an advantage. Sorry that throwing your life away for a game doesnt gaurentee you wins. Maybe treat it like the Indi-GAME it is. Yall cant even decide how good the starter gear is, on one hand yall saying its god tier, on the other hand youre claiming some classes are unplayable. All im hearing is "I SUCK AND NEED GEAR TO BULLY UNDERGEARED PLAYERS TO FEEL LIKE IVE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING IN LIFE"

[outer crane]

you obviously dont know how thus game worked. we had gear brackets to deal with gear diff. go play a different game instead of suporting terrible changes on this one

[gilded trout]

Oh the gear brackets in which people min-maxed modifiers to stomp undergeared players? i have 2800 hours and been here since pt4

[glossy pivot]

be me
grinded many hours on goblin caves to get ~8k gold (im not a talented player)
hmmm I'm going to spend some money on good gear
dont want to only get one kit so i buy purples with 2+ good rolls (800g each)
wake up next day
increased loot drop chances for all lobbies
mfw my 800g each purples are now 200g
surely nothing else bad will happen to my BIS gear
"There have been major balance changes between weapons and armor and almost all items have similar base properties."
bruh moment

how can they just act like this is ok

[warped widget]

are you grabbing items out of the dungeon or selling them on the market? if not there is no point in playing

[storm mountain]

It’s crazy people are still talking.

[outer crane]

that is the whole point of the game, it is to build and optimise sets. go play fortnite

[gilded trout]

Yes, even more so now since the rolls are all relevant and theres no more shitty rolls. Just sold a legendary longbow for 3600. Every piece of gear is worth looking at. People just mad spending ungodly amounts of time or real money on this game doesnt make them a god without skill

[versed mantle]

oh man did SDF just say before we gonna get roll back? hot damn i might reinstall the game after all 👍

[marble chasm]

@gilded trout Here is a video on the theory of risk reward in games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXqEykD5Ub4. In summary, a good risk-reward system distinguishes good games from bad. Now back to dark: I am quite good at this game IMO, I rolled an HR lobby (some teams were geared by the way) with squire gear. I didn't loot anybody, because every peice of gear was worthless with only 1 or two good rolls. I was bored as hell. There was nothing to fear, the reward was lack luster. The joy I got from the game, the really big moments, was when I put on my best kit I'd was saving up the entire wipe and encoutered another team that was similarily gear. My heart was pumping, the potential loot if won the fight... oh boy was it exciting, the fear of losing my quite, my god was that fun. I remember finding an entire lobby all dead in a room with a single guy, we fought, and I ultimately claimed all the frostlight and grimsmiles form the victory. Some of the best dark in my life. The current state of dark has non of this, just mindless PVP

[hard roost]

did u know people were talking for months when multitasking was added? Do you know what happened? It got removed.

[mystic pivot]

I think the difference in equipment represents the player's cost, expected reward, and risk. When people equip high-cost gear, their expected returns are high and they think they are safe. But that doesn't mean they are immortal. And they will be more cautious during the battle. On the contrary, players with ordinary equipment have low costs and are easy to die, but they do not have no chance of winning. Even players with the best equipment may be killed by players with basic equipment.

[storm mountain]

@hard roost I feel that. Just seems unneeded when they’ve already confirmed they are changing it back

[ebon basalt]

Does anyone have a nice build for Warlock ?

[gilded trout]

Then quit dude, take a break, come back when they update, go play something else. Go play dungeonborne. Game feels great, i can put on a mid kit and skill dif geared players even getting third partied. Im playing sword mastery, dex, adrenaline fighter with a zwei. Absolutely love this update and look forward to the gem/socket system. almost 20k players online btw

[mystic pivot]

But now the game feels unrewarding, the equipment is only slightly better than the basic equipment, and there is no need for me to pick up good equipment.

[outer crane]

with this attitude the game will die. we dont want to stop playing but terrible decisions like this will kill the playerbase. what you were describing was definitely just a skill issue on your part

[marble chasm]

@gilded trout You seem to love this update for ignorant reasons. The reasons you claim you like this patch were available in patch 68 via the gear bracket system. Beating teams could alos be when under geared with skill. Of course I am going to fight for my favorite game not to die. And unfortunately I have quit. This game is awful now

[storm mountain]

React to my comment if you have a job

[flat haven]

You seem really annoying. He doesn't want to quit lol. Just because you are liking this shitty update doesnt mean everyone is. People acting like last patch going against geared teams was instant death. If you couldnt skill diff last patch then you're just not that good(sorry). If anything they have reduced skill expression this patch by lowering health and upping damage. But you can cope and say youre skill diffing all you want.

[hard roost]

they are not changing it back they are making it more rewarding but they didnt say gear is gonna be normal again. half of the gear is still ass

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[gilded trout]

Just a bunch of people who dedicated too much time to a indi-game and now realize they didnt develop any skills while playing, just put more time to grind. Grinding =/= fun or healthy gameplay. jsyk

[glass nexus]

Bro you’re still in here with these horrible takes smh go for a walk bro

[marble chasm]

@gilded trout lol you clearly don't understand the arguments people are making. Being able to murder a lobby in squire gear, as a skilled player, is boring

[hard roost]

what are you talking about xDD @glossy pivot i think ranked should not be easy obtainable by just pve it should be mostly Kills/Pvp not just running subbosses and pve

[flat haven]

For real, just because @gilded trout is finally getting a chance to kill people he thinks the patch is good hahaha

[white magnet]

Honestly we don't need +15 HP, we need +30 or even +40 after all the PDR changes. If SDF wants us to have low resists you have to have some HP to work with in order for low levels of resistances to make any impact.

[glossy pivot]

Am I the only person who thinks ranked should be almost exclusively in arena?

[gilded trout]

More people in game (11.5k) than in lobby cuz its not a stock market job anymore 😦 so sad

[glass nexus]

11k is not good, brother

[hard roost]

and what about 8k people in lobby do u think that isnt stock market anyways? lol

[flat haven]

Why do you even care if people spend their time trying to flip on the market? Weird take

[marble chasm]

@gilded trout anybody that understand this game is aware these changes are awful. Player counts in the short term don't matter. What matters is the incentive to play the game over a long period of time (more logins = more skin purchases). A game with no end-game incentive is a dead game in the long run.

[winter gyro]

Skilled player, even a noob like myself, and it's not fun. There is zero reward to pvp. If I play, I actually try to avoid all pvp at this point ir playing HR. Even in squire gear HR, it's boring af. I just feel like I'm a god already in squire gear and it takes all the fun out. There is no point to play unless you just want to pvp, and we all know how that's going.

[elder crystal]

3min timer on chat is crazy

[mystic pivot]

Why isn't there an achievement system in the game? For example, if you kill a troll 100 times, you can get the skin or actions of the troll's head. It has no value, just decoration.

[glass nexus]

Who’s got that Reddit clip of the squire barb one shotting a 400gs fighter

[marble chasm]

This patch is clearly aimed for people that want to dive into the dungeon once a week without wanting to understand the depths of the game. You might as well remove bosses, quests, abyss, hell, and just leave arena and gobo caves with the vision they currently have (of course all bad things, I am just ranting)

[hard roost]

Yeah mann i wanna pvp and kill someone to feel that bis getting rich if i kill squire i just move on and no fun in it lol

[gilded trout]

Yall spend more time dooming than participating in life

[vocal thicket]

enable arena I'm bored

[thorn blade]

The game is going to right direction with latest patch. You still have advantage with better gear but not that much like before. Before #69 patch, geared players was like terminators and player with lower gear have low chance to win that duel and only chance for win was when geared player made a lot of mistakes. Now game is more skilled based and I have more fun playing.

[mystic pivot]

emm But I didn’t feel the skill in the game, maybe because the ttk is too short. I tried playing a warlock and slashed the barbarian 4 times with the crystal sword, but when he had 10% left, he killed me with 90% health in one stab.

[marble chasm]

@thorn blade So you like the patch because you have more chances of winning at PVP?

[winter gyro]

That's literally all this game is now. Don't need to queue for it, the maps are arena, just a little larger 🙂

If you don't want to arena, the only other viable method of playing for fun is grinding the free entry HR and hope the game doesn't fizzle out before you can use the rewards lmao.

[flat haven]

I think players that spend gold on gear should have an advantage lmao. It was still possible to kill bis with budget kits last patch. Not to mention they made good gear really easy to get. survive one raid down to hell and you usually always had a decent set.

[thorn blade]

Im not talking about classes, nerfs etc. Im talking only about gear changes. Ofc barb, ranger still need nerfs, meaby other classes buffs. But items changes go into right direction.

[flat haven]

Why should someone going in free squire gear be on equal footing with someone fronting 10k on a kit? Makes no sense.

[mystic pivot]

But in reality, if I use basic equipment to defeat others, I won't have the desire to plunder now. In the past, I would take great pleasure in defeating an equipped enemy. Even if I get killed by someone with good equipment, I won't feel lost. On the contrary, I admire them for having the courage to bring their equipment without getting killed. At the same time, I will only think about how to do better next time to kill them.

[thorn blade]

If you are noob with legendary kit, good player should be able to kill you even with squire kit. DnD is not MMO where you farm gear and you are unkilable for lower gear player. Geared players have now slight advantage and its ok now.

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[mystic pivot]

Because in the past, when allocating equipment points, I had anticipated the strongest enemy I might encounter, and that was not invincible to me. And I knew that if I prevailed, the rewards would be great. But now, I just feel like what I got was a piece of shit.

[flat haven]

How are you a noob if you have a alegendary kit? I would say that you are a noob for not being able to get one and therefore having to rely on gear nerfs to kill anyone. If you are a good player you should have no problem getting gold for kits. Gold has been ridiculously easy to get this wipe.

[brittle breach]

bad game fk u

[sharp nymph]

[timber remnant]

Realest take I've seen since patch 69 dropped.

[thorn blade]

Yes I have more chacnes becouse, there is less stat checking duel rn exept barb(which is op rn) ofc.

[naive storm]

skill issue

[marble chasm]

@thorn blade Alright. So it sounds to me your just unskilled at this game, because what you like about this patch was possible in patch 68 in <125 with moderate gear. Philosophy aside on whether skill vs gear-gaps, which should prevail, if the base squire kits allows anybody to consistently beat geared people (forget skill for this argument), then gear has less value, looting is pointlees, opening chests is pointless, and bossing is pointless. The core end-game of the game is dead when the gear-gap is non-existent

[topaz warren]

if loot worthless and just pvp this game will die like chiv an mordhau

[mystic pivot]

If players are willing to spend a lot of money and time to buy equipment, but die in the dungeon. Some people will buy better equipment, and some people will hone their skills. But they're in the game anyway.But now, few players want to do this

[karmic comet]

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[thorn blade]

and if there is only looting no pvp this game will die like MMO genre

[topaz warren]

patch 68 had both

[outer crane]

68 did have both

[glossy pivot]

be me
I want high interaction speed on my bard
purchase legendary regular interaction speed pendants
very happy
gear gets normalized and my pendants lose all their value
no problem! I still have my high interaction speed, just a little nerf!
"Removed infrequently used random modifiers."

Why can we not just have different item rolls for different pools? We already know boots can have exclusive rolls, but now we have executed +memcap like nobody used it when we could have just applied it to spellcasting focus' only.

[thorn blade]

It sound like you are unskilled if you are geared and squire guy can kill you. Becouse with good rolls you have still much more stats.

[mystic pivot]

Looting and pvp are connected together. If players need to plunder, they need to engage in pvp to protect their own products or plunder other people's products. In essence, escaping is also a part of pvp.

[merry marlin]

two separate perks on bard to specifically increase interaction speeds

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[distant fiber]

Höld thä lüne

[glass nexus]

@gilded trout

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1gdwt6g/patch_691_43_gs_squire_barb_vs_406_gs_almost_bis/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

watch this clip and then seriously tell me the game is in a good state right now

[sharp nymph]

[topaz warren]

yeah but loot worthless no point grey gear and u can pvp all i dont even loot gear jus meds i ply a match or 2 and its just plain pvp an the combat in this game an ques aint even good to just be that like chiv or mordhau

[merry marlin]

this clip just shows what everyone has known for a long time. barbarian needs gutted and then reworked as a whole

the class has been a pillar of balancing other classes, because any time any class with a little bit of support or utility gets too strong, barb goes through the stratosphere

removing gear gaps allows developers to highlight class design flaws and start addressing them

[glass nexus]

Barbarians were not doing this before patch 69 lil bro

[mystic pivot]

So I hope to go back to patch 68 or

[wet osprey]

Those two fighters should be barbs then, fighter can't hold fuck all

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[nova compass]

Question: Are reward tokens character specific, or are they transferrable if you delete and make a new character?

[merry marlin]

correct, because barbarians need to be neutered to the point of being unplayable levels of bad in 3's or they turn into what they currently are this patch.

zoom the camera out and do some big thinking, little man

[cobalt oriole]

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @sdf because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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[glossy pivot]

transferrable, but im only familiar with legendary accounts i would find another squire player if you are a squire player

[silver flax]

ain’t reading all that

[sharp nymph]

REVIEW BOMBERS SUCK, KEEP CRYING NERDS

[glass nexus]

You patch enjoyers are delusional it’s crazy lmao

[marble chasm]

@thorn blade Please read my arguments carefully. I made sure to point out my argument is not about skill. You said that its fun that in a squire kit, with skill alone, you can win in PVP. Already, fair enough, you enjoy that. Building on that, give squire gear to a skilled player. Now, gear isn't necessary anymore: unskilled teams will lose (on average) to skilled squire gear teams. Furthremore, skilled squire gear teams have a chance to beat geared teams. Gear now, because the gap is so small, means you would need 10k+ set to actually notice a difference. So a team (skilled or not) risk their 10k+ set to squire gear teams. This is toxic for the game, not because skill matters more now according to your argument, but because there is less incentive to gear up given the value squire gear has. No reason to gear means the game is PVP focused only, no bossing, no looting, no questing. You have a limited understanding of this game and enjoy winning in PVP. Please take the time to understand my argument and don't just reply "skill issue", since you will make a fool out of yourself

[woeful wolf]

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[karmic comet]

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[nova compass]

Any Squires know if Reward Tokens are transferrable to newly made characters? I couldn't find an answer on google

[glossy pivot]

SDF just wanted to fuck the game on the patch labelled #69 on halloween for the meme guys. What do you mean you don't get it?

[wet osprey]

They are not Zane

[granite bluff]

Do any items deposited with Expressman count towards AP?

[mystic pivot]

If you create a new character, even if it is the same profession, the calculation will be recalculated.

[supple condor]

no they are "out of the dungeon".. only stuff in inventory that is looted upon exit count as treasure or item count

[nova compass]

Are you saying the item rewards are based on gear score when you say "calculation"? Also thank you for answering the question as well @wet osprey

Also sorry, I am brand new to the game.

[mystic pivot]

There is a problem with my statement. Simply put, it cannot be transferred.

[frail dome]

I would love to see a market cap SDF said he doesn’t like items being priced so high so what if we put a market cap so people can’t just make something 10k

[past lark]

gearcels seething over squirechads

[wet osprey]

He had a strange way of putting it but if you reroll your character you will lose any reward tokens earned.

They are character specific and earned when achieving certain levels with your character, usually every tenth level you will earn one

[verbal abyss]

@nova compass he is korean and his message looks like its getting caught in translation

[nova compass]

Gotcha, makes sense... thank you all for the help!

[granite bluff]

ty!

[timber remnant]

They are on the character you earned them with i believe

[wet osprey]

If you're ap farming, opening portals, killing sub bosses and opening lions and golden chests are the fastest methods

Two demon berserkers is equivalent to a Lich/Warlord/Ghostking kill iirc

[mystic pivot]

Yes, sorry I used google translate. But correction, I am from Hong Kong

[cobalt oriole]

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @sdf because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

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[verbal abyss]

😅 oops, sorry for the offense

[ionic kayak]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow If you guys do some shitty hotfix again instead of patch revert, all the negative steam reviews will be permanent and it will be YOUR FAULT

When you spit in the communities face, the community spits back

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[eternal jacinth]

This guy understands it

[mystic pivot]

its fine

[cobalt oriole]

The community is gonna keep raging until you rollback, if you wanna save your game as of right now that's the only option.

Take time to ask your community why almost everyone thinks it's universally shit. Then this is the hard part.... ACTUALLY LISTEN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY.

I know it's rough but we are hitting pre steam release numbers in 3 days and your reviews are plummeting, you are out of options. People have lost faith in @sdf because he has yet to accurately and intelligently explain his "vision". When a leader can't lead there is an issue. I'm not trying to just shit on sdf I'm stating facts.

Don't kill the game we love, failing to understand that the reason the game was addicting was bc of risk vs reward has become a fatal issue.

Feel free to copy this if you support the message.

🇷 🇪 🇹 🇺 🇷 🇳 🇹 🅾️ 🇵 🅰️ 🇹 🇨 🇭 6️⃣ 8️⃣

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[ionic kayak]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow If you guys do some shitty hotfix again instead of patch revert, all the negative steam reviews will be permanent and it will be YOUR FAULT

When you spit in the communities face, the community spits back

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[hasty beacon]

Why is it so bad to wait and see what the changes will be? A mid season paradigm shift is weird, but this patch isn't the be all end all

[quick trail]

Play the game dweebs

[long gull]

Im still enjoying the game

[hard rock]

Is SDF getting fired?

[eternal jacinth]

They should be using the test server for incomplete changes, not the live server

[rustic hull]

what if you guys are not "The community" but only the "the community that yells constantly" ? Ever though of that ?

[gilded trout]

Cuz you dont cheat or buy gold

[rustic hull]

there are literrally no one on the test server. This is early access, the live server IS a test server. The test servers are used for features that could likely produce game-breaking bugs, and verify the server's handling capabilities before moving on to live

[hasty beacon]

Counter point - in an early access game you ARE the test server

[long gull]

I still have and will keep having faith. :3

[pure beacon]

How do you get the troll slayer icon ?

[frail dome]

Stop asking for roll backs and start asking for things that move us foward

[gilded trout]

Theres a reason IRL gold prices dropped 50% at patch 69 and then the largest outcry yet. Coincidence? I think not!

[thorn blade]

Im play most of my life competetive games, not MMO or other grind type games and I enjoy fair duels much more. I think that game is going to be better than before with upcoming patches(there is more room for balance changes and other new stuff like gems and sockets). In my opininion before these patches when you grind more gear you was stronger in duels(it doesn't matter if you were farming bosses, looting chest or killing players). Rn you are stronger in duels if you duel with other people and learning how to fight in diffrent situation, but ofc you still have slight advantage with better gear. I dont think the game is going to be worse with these changes becouse there are games like sea of thieves where you looting tresures doing bosses quests etc and not become terminator when playing 10h/day. I think people should have more fun from this game and not only looking for numbers and stat checking other people. Im not sure about hp nerfs and some classes are unbalance rn ofc.

[hard rock]

Im play most of my life competetive games, not MMO or other grind type games and I enjoy fair duels much more. I think that game is going to be better than before with upcoming patches(there is more room for balance changes and other new stuff like gems and sockets). In my opininion before these patches when you grind more gear you was stronger in duels(it doesn't matter if you were farming bosses, looting chest or killing players). Rn you are stronger in duels if you duel with other people and learning how to fight in diffrent situation, but ofc you still have slight advantage with better gear. I dont think the game is going to be worse with these changes becouse there are games like sea of thieves where you looting tresures doing bosses quests etc and not become terminator when playing 10h/day. I think people should have more fun from this game and not only looking for numbers and stat checking other people. Im not sure about hp nerfs and some classes are unbalance rn ofc.

[graceful storm]

other counter point - they already have a separate test server and these changes would be perfect to run on those first

[hasty beacon]

Other other counter point - they've said in the past the feedback they get from that doesn't help, and im sure they look at statistic data in game from everyone who plays, not just those who go on disco or reddit to talk

[karmic comet]

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[rustic hull]

All your arguments fall when you add this parameter: if gear becomes less important, the prices will diminish. That is partly why the loot chances were raised, to further drop thoses prices. The goal on the long term is that, yes, you would risk, not 10k, but 2k, to have a slight but noticeable advantage on your adversaries

[marble chasm]

@thorn blade I have nothing more to say. You seem to enjoy this patch because you enjoy PVP, and you don't seem unaware of how the gear-bracket matchmaking system worked to make sure <25 or <125 made matches generally fair gear wise. I will conceit to your argument that the PVP is more fair (ignoring the 1-shots and class inbalanced) , but this game is dead as a looting game as it stands

[dense pawn]

Since they are reworking gear, here is a system I would love to see in the game:

• less gear rarities: 4 would do
• every gear item (except basic squire) has an extra random modifier that is stronger based on rarity
• gear items above basic have a number of sockets for gems/enchantments, based on rarity, but can vary on same rarity (example: blues can have 1-2, legendaries 3-4)
• items can be broken down into components for crafting or for enchantments (gold sink & good recycle for items)
• you can loot gems and ancient scrolls that can be identified by alchemist/other npc, who uses them to upgrade your gear

If you like it, give it an upvote https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/590621/total-gear-rework

If you don't, what would you like to see instead?

[long gull]

Im still hyped to see a legendary thing with great rolls 👀

[hard rock]

Why hasn't Graysun fired SDF yet?

[rustic hull]

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[marble chasm]

@rustic hull Fair enough, loot is more available, so things are cheaper. Regardless of the total wealth invested into a kit, my point remains that if you invest money into a kit and risk the gold investment when you encounter squire gear team encourages you not to gear up. This results in squire gear lobbies. This results in generally nothing to gain (loot wise) from PVP. All my arguments stand

[gilded trout]

stop getting skill diffed

[tired maple]

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[long gull]

Thats why gear requirements in HR need to be back. In normals, i dont mind that

[calm musk]

well u should go play LoL, CS, Valorant, Dota, any game that doesnt have lootinhg system in place and extraction mechanics, plus bossing and endgame content where u kill mobs. Even in Rust there is gear dispairity, thing is people arent a bunch o cry babies. @mighty aurora toxiticity will be there in all games, LoL for example that is not a hardcore game, cant even put voice chat in cuz the toxicity would skyrocket, what i meant is that people understand the type of game they are playing instead of whinning about dying to someone in a AK when theyre in bows.

[marble chasm]

@e-jan that's great. I am not. every weapon is now relatively bis, so its not worth getting excitted for. Every peice of gear other than capes, jwelery and weapons have all the same base stats, so when you do find legendary loot, its probably trash. Give or take theres 10-20% chance of a good roll: still trash, just as good as a greeen. Give or take 1 to 5% to good rolls. Still boring, because blues a commonly available. Everything else after 2 rolls is like <1%, so players will generally not experience a good legendary drop

[mighty aurora]

Yeah, Rust is just racism, but people whine significantly less outside of thinking the game isnt anything like it was in 2012, which like, yeah

[gilded trout]

No they dont dude, have you even played the new patch? Youre literally a bot

[rustic hull]

Also, remember that 'loot' as itself will vastly change when adding the 'Enchantements via magic stones' feature. I do not enjoy the game in its current state, but I see and I like where it is going, I played DnD a LOT recently, for me that is just the occasion to have a short break before coming back to a more stable version. Please don't bury the game under negative reviews. I want a good community to be there when everyone comes back

[marble chasm]

Either way, we all deserve a great game. It's not fair to remove a big part of the game the hardcore player base loves just to please the casuals, when the thing about the patch that pleases the casuals was available in patch 68

[thorn blade]

Everything I wrote was about item changes and you didnt READ my arguments carefully becouse i said in last sentece that class are not balaced rn, so you are hipocrite. Yes <25 <125 was fair but it was not good. 124 lobby made greens items over priced and was unhealth for the game. Ironmace had 2 ways in that scenario: make lobbys like <125, 125-250, 250-X etc witch will couse longer time search, or changes like #69 patch.

[tired maple]

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[glass nexus]

Delusional thinking lmao

[rustic hull]

What's criticable, IMO is the way they drop small modification one after another (raise loot chances. Then remove all rarity difference on base stats. Then put it back (slightly)). I agree this is not a good way to patch and handle things. They should put together a system that looks like would work as a WHOLE, and then put it as a WHOLE and gather data. Not go bit by bit like this. I m pretty sure any data gathered now is pretty irrelevent anyway with such an 'unstable' state

[mighty aurora]

Flattening the gear curve completely just sucks, it should’ve had a noticeable progression while still making it more even across the rarities, I genuinely dont get why they dont use the test branch

[thorn blade]

So I can say you should go play WoW, POE, Albion or other MMO if you like looting. Stop throwing such senseless arguments.

[tired maple]

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[rustic hull]

to be fair, never found a proper game in a medieval-fantasy setting, with melee duelling and spell casting, that is a looting/extraction game à-la tarkov, with the dungeon crawler ambiance is EXACTLY what I want, and only DnD actually delivers. There is dungeonborne too but... It 's just lame overall, gameplay wise.

[calm musk]

@thorn blade well u are dumb, u dont get that the ddescription point and beginning of this game wa meant to have loot, u prob been playing for 2 months and think u know something about darker when talking with people that have been playing for over 2 years. just sit down timmy. Your arguments are senseless u wanna have opnions about a game u dont even understand LOL. as i said just go play your "comeptitive" games where everyone has the same weapon and itens every match and where nothing really matters cuz theres no progression. U said the dumbest things ever

[earnest silo]

You've been stat checking timmys for 2 years it has dumbed you down that's you used to it.

[late pewter]

why are goblin mages still broken

[rustic hull]

How in the world is 'total IG time' an argument on anything ? The game is early access and is planning to change a lot. Don't act like you know 'how the game should be' or where it is going. It's not yours. You payed for early access man, deal with it

[hard roost]

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[marble chasm]

@thorn blade I don't quite see where I failed to understand your argument. Classes can never be balanced, because classes have different abilities. You would need to homogeneize the game and only allow 1 class with no class customization. Let's disregard class inbalance as a topic. <25 is fair, because everyone has the same gear tier. <125 is less fair than <25, but the gear gap is still not ridiculous enough to make gear-checks impossible to over come. There were sacrifices made in <125 builds (DPS + SPEED at the expense of HP, for example). Now you claiming the game is more balance, but ultimately what you are experience is just >125 from last patch without having to invest any money. This is a looting game. See all my points made in previous posts of why looting is dead

[thorn blade]

I was playing DnD(first tests) since it was first time relesed on steam(before it was banned). I alse played EfT and it has simillar mechanics but its more competetive. So I think that DnD don't need to be looting/gearchecking pvp game. It can be looting/pvp game. They need to make some patches ofc but they are on right way

[gilded trout]

Only people dooming are bots

[terse hull]

classes cant be balanced bc they have different abilities is certainly one of the takes of all time

[wind plaza]

I agree. I actually like the base stat mod. It's not perfect but it doesn't mean that gear is the critical difference in a fight. I'm sick of there being NO POINT to play high roller because I get steamrolled by someone who's got better gear than me. The devs have removed the DRASTIC gear modifier discrepancies and allow for a more fair PVP where gear is a difference-maker but not the deciding factor. The difference between gear is now less significant but there is still a difference.

[hoary flax]

Early access does not mean Dev's have an excuse to give us

1. Poor patch communication, random timings and no timeline
2. No testing - Test server not used
3. Changes for "Data" - People bought the game to enjoy it, not to be used as lab rats to develop something meaningful. If they were actual well organized dev's they would have their own plans for that.

[earnest silo]

They think more time = better at the game. They don't understand people can improve better with less time. Especially if you getting stat checked by grinders. Harder conditions make diamonds, easier ones make clay.

[rustic hull]

I totally agree with points 1 and 3, see my previous messages in this chat. However the 'please use test servers' argument does not hold, for reasons people here (and the devs) have already stated.

[marble chasm]

@terse hull ranger vs fighter. No matter what you do, the fighter is either tanking all the ranger shots and running the ranger down, or the ranger is kitting the fighter to death. This is an example of why perfect balance is impossible

[hoary flax]

I disagree with this sentiment, just because noone is on the test server does not mean it is not a pre-cursor for player reactions. If they actually patched the test-server ahead of time the Dev's would have informed the playerbase of Patch 69 before they got all this negative feedback. Then maybe they could have fine tuned 69 to a point where we wouldnt be so divided. There is no reason not to use the test server other than laziness and lack of resources, which is on IM to allocate properly

[wind plaza]

In EfT you could be a giga-Chad and still get domed and that mechanic allows for gameplay differences and skills to shine through MORE than gear. It's not the end-all and gear definitely makes a difference. But there's no competition in a game where gear is the end-all be-all of a PVP battle. I can't tell you how many times I've outplayed someone but lose the battle because they have a higher Vigor and therefore more HP on the back of having some ridiculous ability modifier from gear. It's not perfect and I'm sure they're working on it, but what I see is a dev team that's trying to bridge the gap between skill and gear. They're trying to balance things so that there isn't a single meta for every class that everyone uses. Thanks to this recent patch I'm trying different builts on classes and changing things up because I can, and that's something that's lost in games like COD where there's a single meta that everyone and their mother uses and there's no balance and it's boring af. Take a breath and step back to appreciate that the dev team is trying to create a game that's MORE balance, MORE customizable, and not some sweaty PVP dungeon where you load in for 30 seconds, get spawn rushed by a uber-kitted team and lose all of the shit it took 12 low-roll runs to get.

[azure socket]

at this point they should hire someone like you, because so much good ideas come from the community , they just have to copy paste , or other companies will do.

[hoary flax]

in EFT if you do not have the correct ammo you cannot pen armor. That is the same as having the proper build in this game to kill someone with too much vigor/PDR. It is on you to get the correct build/ammo (to an extent). I agree that gear should not be the end all be all

[rustic hull]

You're kinda shifting my opinion on that yeah. But the ressource allocation part is hard to justify. They are a small team, 20-ish if I remember correctly, which is not a lot for a big multiplayer game like this one. People are already working on massive features (random modules, sorcerer, new gear systems and others), without mensionning the Korean lawsuit... I like giving them the excuse of lacking the ressources to handle development correctly

[abstract charm]

i just got 1 tapped by a barb (im a full plate fighter)

[hushed carbon]

Lmao apparently SDF just posted something in some channel saying he is also not enjoying the changes. LOL

[storm mountain]

This was hours ago bro

[dense pawn]

Honestly, I think ideas aren't worth much, we can all have good ideas but it all boils down to the final result. Sdf had a lot of great ideas that didn't turn out ok after being implemented. Others did. I think this last patch is bad, but in the right direction. Let's see what he cooks up next. I'm here for the ride

[hoary flax]

I work with a tight Dev team myself so I completely understand the lack of resources. But in the end its still on them for the responsibility. They could also address this by having more solid communication with us, the responsibility falls on them and all we can do as players is react. Which is why you see all this negative sentiment

[hushed carbon]

I agree with this. Their job is to put out the product. Our job is to react. Sometimes developers don't even get the chance to react on feedback, people just flat out bail without saying anything.

I am also a product development specialist BTW.

[night folio]

I think if they just said fuck it and gave us muticlassing for the rest of the season it'd be in a more balanced state then it currently is unironically

[wind plaza]

This is true, but there aren't that many layers in this game as there are in EfT so the differences really come from gear acquired in a run, but if I can't get the gear in the run bc some players already have better gear which will make the difference in a fight, how can I ever put together the build? Just run? That's lame.

[south vigil]

NEED ANOTHER HOTFIX @glad thunder

[hoary flax]

We had a decent progression system in place in patch 68, you could find legendaries in sub25 gs normal runs. easily making 500-1000 gold a run was not too difficult to achieve. 2 Runs and you can by a full BIS set of epics or even some legendaries. It was most likely the most balanced state of gear ever seen in this game. Now look at Barb and Ranger dominating every lobby

[loud moat]

So why are people still acting like finding good gear isnt a thing? And sdf is now blogging about that too? Did you guys break this man lmao

[terse hull]

there isnt much diffrence between the static stats on low and high end gear, and the number of random modifiers that can be rolled on various equipment was lowered, so across the board loot is not as different as it was before patch 69

so while you can find more rares, epics, and legendaries they arent as strong compared to lower tiers as they once were, and have less random variance

most notably for spellbooks where the only difference between any 2 legendary spellbooks is the numbers they roll, they all have essentially the same random modifiers bc they can only pull from a pool of like 5 mods

[past lark]

people are mad they can’t out gear people anymore and got skill diffed by squirechads

[crimson beacon]

They have fannies too not jsut frannies

[next berry]

Honestly.. nerf ranger and buff barb

[small vale]

People saying that "it's just a game" don't get that its just a game for us, for them its their job. Fucking up your job so badly is just not ok, SDF isn't the only person who will be affected for this the game is a source of income for other people too

[loud moat]

I still find loot w quad dead rolls and loot w 2 str 2 agi 2 dex. 4 max idk how anyone can front that "all loot is the same" straight fantasy blogging. Also who cares if static stats goes up w rarity that sounds fine

[wind plaza]

I don't disagree. I generally liked the loot rolls from 68, but I think what they're trying here is to have gear make a difference but not as sharp of a difference. You don't have the ammo differences in DD as with EfT so there's not an equalizer, and 69 was an attempt at equalizing. It's not perfect, but I was playing last night and I was having a blast because I knew in PVP it's not gear that makes the difference but tactics and skills, and in some cases gear may be the difference-maker viz the modifiers, but not so drastically. Maybe they'll balance it, but this honestly seems like the most honest attempt at destroying universal metas. Let's not pretend that class distribution isn't unbalanced after every previous patch when one class gets buffed against another that's nerfed. That happened everytime.

[spiral elk]

I'm guessing the majority of people crying were the ones making a living from this, RM traders and TTVers. I doubt there's many traditionally employed people claiming this ruined the game. Gear could matter a little more then it does currently but it still matters a lot. No squire is going to beat a equally skilled player with gear that has good rolls.

[past lark]

Gearcels seething over Squirechads

[small vale]

why you trolling? Even sdf saying that he isn't enjoying looting anymore, he just made a massive change to the core of the gameplay loop of the game without even testing it, this is the kind of patch that kills games

[terse hull]

squire gear should still feel useful and able to kill players, but rn certain classes can 1 shot you through full epic/legendary gear while using their squire loadout, or bringing in a single rare weapon

if loot doesnt make you stonger, and its all about the same and doesnt sell for as much, then whats the point in finding more loot?

[loud moat]

Blog

[next berry]

buff barb

[wind plaza]

@hoary flax And not for nothing I felt like if I died in a run it wasn't like I just grinded for 3 hours to get the gear I needed only to lose it in 3 minutes in a high roller. It was far less consequential while still offering me the ability to get the gear I needed to run a high roller. Idk. I'm more optimistic since Patch 69 than I have been for every other patch.

[hoary flax]

I dont mind them doing the equalizing, theyve done it before and the community took it more positively.

The issue is how they implemented this patch has been catastrophic. anyone can see that they absolutely changed everything suddenly, so its not surprising they are getting so much negative feedback. I think the people shocked at the outrage are actually the "naive" ones. Like what did you expect? Rainbows and kisses after someone takes your candy?

[uneven cradle]

It isn’t the same and better gear does make you stronger

So sick of people keep saying that there’s no difference..

[graceful storm]

is the game still unplayable

[wind plaza]

Yes, that's true. I found myself repeating the phrase "this is a whole new game" or "this is game-changing." And I respect the players' disagreements, but like it didn't break anything. If anything it made the game more accessible to people who HAVEN'T been grinding since the ol' days. If I was a new player I'd uninstall this game just based on how sweaty some of the lobbies can be. Like I said, it's not perfect but I really do think this is the first time I've genuinely felt like the devs realized there is an unbalance and they're trying to fix it. Give it time.

[loud moat]

Been p much fine since hotfix

[past lark]

it’s cos they rely on the god rolls so they can kill timbos but now timbo fights back and kills geared man. make geared man mad he has to use brain now to play

[woven kiln]

Been playing a bunch. Don’t listen to the whiners and actually try it out!

[terse hull]

its not the exact same, and its not the main issue imo, but making gear less worthwile in a loot extraciton game was a mistake imo

the biggest issue is that with less gear discrepancy, certain classes and builds that dont need to rely on gear as much are much much stronger, especalliy builds that can deal high single hit damage after a patch that nerfed base HP across the board

which is why people are complaining about primarily ranger and barb being able to 1-2 shot anyone who isnt running a high PDR build (which also got nerfed heavily) in white squire gear

[fossil kayak]

Some maniac in 2 games now is running around shouting "death to SDF! revert the patch!" and whisper spamming the lobby wtf?

[hoary flax]

Yeah I mean all we can do is give it time. From a monetary and audience perspective what IM is doing is correct, they dont have too many microtransactions in the game so they have to attract a wider audience for more funding. But like every message Ive been saying, if they communicated and planned this better it wouldve been alot less painful for the "experienced" players.

Imagine a doctor telling you hes gonna give you a shot then doing vs. a doctor not saying anything and shoving a needle into you. This is the difference and part of what IM really needs to fix

[graceful storm]

yall must be barb or ranger mains then

[night folio]

Anywhere to see a list of all the hidden changes people have found? Hear people talking about it a lot

[loud moat]

I miss the 100k players who stopped playing all yall left fucking SUCK

[earnest silo]

Flying mobs seems to behave differently now.

[ashen heron]

I also don't get any pleasure from acquiring gears. This will change tomorrow. sf say

[uneven cradle]

It’s a PvP game first and foremost, loot should always be secondary as it is in other extraction games.

This isn’t Diablo or Path of Exile.. Loot is a stepping stone to PvP, allowing loot to dictate how good you are in PvP and making said loot be hard to obtain for anyone who actually operates in the real world for a few hours a day is unhealthy game design.

Gear now allows people to feel they can improve their build using gear whilst also not being scared to lose said gear because it took them days of playtime to obtain.

Designing a game around the most addicted players isn’t the right way, there’s a reason dark and darker had absolutely awful player retention, because the new player experience is garbage

[graceful storm]

sad sdf he will fix it

[young belfry]

doom doom and more doom, played alot last night, its a little wonky but not as bad as you winers make it out to be

[past lark]

bis bots mad they have to use the ol noggin against grey builds now lmao

[karmic comet]

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[loud moat]

I know people here arent actually playing the patch because the real game rn is every class one shotting every other. They instead blogging here about fake bs

[earnest silo]

Yes.

[keen wren]

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[small vale]

Nice try

[uneven cradle]

That is a result of the lowering of health across the board.

A very simple and dumb mistake, leading to range and the highest health pool melee class to simply dominate

Also why gear feels less impactful, because everyone is a two tap bot due to trash health

[young belfry]

not true never got one shot drama drama

[ashen heron]

what it can be?

[wind plaza]

@hoary flax Respect. I hear you, but let's be real, they've been testing things this whole time. They probably have an idea about what they want to do, but they're not sure what will work or how it will break balance or whatever. I think it's ok to want the devs to be transparent, but I also think it's a little unrealistic to expect them to know everything they want without it being tested. Idk, I'm personally loving this patch. it's not perfect by any means, but it definitely feels like the right direction. And as experienced players I mean how many patches between the early release, the f**kin torrented version, and the present have we had to deal with some major game-changing patch? Every new class has been something like this. Getting used to Warlocks and Druids, remember the magic regen pots? I mean this isn't new for us. So let's just wait and see.

[hoary flax]

Amen, heres hoping we keep going in the right direction

[woven kiln]

Disagrees with my opinion? Cool story bro 😂

Reading comprehension is a must. Maybe brush up on it for a while and circle back to this channel

[terse hull]

i dont think loot should be hard to obtain, but loot should give a noticable advantage over someone with less/minimal loot

i think the main issue with the recent patches is that it lowered Damage resistance, and HP, and opened up a new meta where if you play barb or ranger you can just dunk on people with full gear bc there is less of an advantage to having good gear on, and they have less HP than before, so if you are anything other than fighter, you are almost instantly dead if a barb gets within 10 ft of you and fighter is probably also dead but if they built heavy PDR they might get out with 10hp

and a lot of classes can now 1-2 shot, but barb and ranger can do it pretty easily in squire gear even against players in high gear, which is the mian issue imo

i agree that loot shouldnt be super difficult to obtain tho, more loot is cool, but the loot should have a more noticable impact and shouldnt just get rolled by barb with squire gear

[small vale]

https://strawpoll.com/Qrgewm9eQyp

[uneven cradle]

It does now if you have a good set, it’s just the lowering of the health pool across the board made any change irrelevant because the numbers don’t let any class outside barbarian or fighter escape a two tap

Like who cares if you have bis that gives you great stats if your health is still in the range of being two tapped by a bow/crossbow or barbarian?

[graceful storm]

SDF actually sat down and played his own game last night and realized he doesnt have any fun with gear either

[woven kiln]

I said I’ve “been playing a bunch! ….Actually try it out!”

Where TF does that say this patch is amazing, bad or indifferent?

[keen wren]

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[terse hull]

correct, but ranger and barb can exploit that situation the most, bc they have enough HP to win those trade son average or can stay far enough away to avoid most of their opponents damage

which is my point, and i think thats a lot of other peoples issue too

idc if loot is easier to get and doesnt have quite as much of a stat spread, but the entire games PvP meta got fucking obliterated and people are understandably annoyed

[small vale]

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[odd oxide]

Let's be honest, it's not rangers only with longbows. It's fighters who abuse it. If rangers were the only ones access with all the bows you'll see less complaining about it.

[uneven cradle]

Yes which is why I call bollocks on any claim that faster TTK results in more skill expression, it’s the complete opposite and leads to massively imbalanced classes.

There’s a reason games tend to use higher numbers, because they’re easier to balance when increasing/decreasing via percentages and such.

[graceful storm]

we've all tried it out.. nobody is just sitting here listening to people complain and blindly agreeing with them. People are complaining for a reason

[timber gale]

https://strawpoll.com/Qrgewm9eQyp say no to revert!

[glass nexus]

• say yes to revert

[hard rock]

Is this game dead/what's happening with the player count

[uneven cradle]

It’s Tuesday evening ffs

[graceful storm]

its so funny that all these people are posting trust SDF when he doesnt even enjoy the changes himself

[keen wren]

low iq comment

[odd oxide]

Or more like he's the kid being bullied, toss around the playground all week and he goes home knowing it'll happen again tomorrow. Most of the players are toxic asf

[hard rock]

Bro when will you learn that SDF doesn't care about the changes all he cares about is our cold hard cash. You actually seem low IQ brotha

[uneven cradle]

This community is the worst I’ve ever interacted with, no exaggeration…

[long oasis]

imagine making a biased "say no to revert" just let people choose on their own and write HERE VOTE FOR REVER OR NO REVERT lmao

[terse hull]

low TTK is adverse to skill expression fs
it allows a solo to have a much better chance against a trio if they can quickly kill 1-2 of the trio and event he playing field a bit, butwith the current solo/duo/trio queue split its mostly a moot point,

maybe thats the direciton they want to take the game but this is why people are complaining, bc they are pushing the game halfway between two coinflicting views for the game, mid-wipe with no roadmap, and without using their test server

maybe the game will reach a nice stable and enjkoyable point after another couple patches, but it was a silly move to do this midwipe without a stated plan, and without using the test server

[graceful storm]

low iq existence

[gilded trout]

imagine downvoting a game and spamming it 24/7 because you couldnt handle a new patch for 3 days

[keen wren]

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[wary finch]

L take, a person who cares only about cash wants a popular game and will cave to the community instantly.

SDF wants something specific, he already said he didn't enjoy the patch, don't be an ass and paint him as some cartoon villain because you're mad.

[long oasis]

shows passion for a game that was good and a loot game and not a battle royal, also theres test servers to try new patches not the main server ?

[odd oxide]

I'll also say this repoze and other streamers dog piling onto it doesn't help. This game is their existence and othe players can't wait for 7 days and their sad they can't gear check anymore.

[terse hull]

imagine playing a game and then the dev shifts the entire gameplay loop drastically, resulting in far less enjoyable PvP, with no roadmap or use of the test server and then is surprised when people are upset their game got dunked on by weird changes that arent fleshed out

[uneven cradle]

It’s the kind of behaviour you encourage when not dealing with the absolute brain rot.

If they banned these type of people from the start then things would be far different

[hard rock]

Bro stop insulting me. Otherwise you'll be blocked. You cannot be this du mb

[glass nexus]

Yes let’s ruin the game so solo players can 1v3. Delusional thought process.

[gilded trout]

Already been through it with multiclassing, i took a break, went into general chat and said Multiclass was lame, didnt need to downvote the game or spend 24/7 trying to convince everyone the game was dead. 4k players total during MC btw

[wary finch]

Block me then, I'm not gonna stop calling out childish behavior. Say shit like SDF only cares about cash like you know what he wants or likes. You don't know shit, you're throwing a tantrum.

[graceful storm]

imagine defending SDFs vision when he doesnt even like his vision

[keen wren]

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[tired maple]

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[odd oxide]

I love fighting clerics, and bards! opps I let them go behind a door and now I can't rush them because the fighter/barbarian/cleric will body block me while the other cleric fully heals the party. Wow all of my outplaying them doesn't mean anything.\

[hard rock]

RIGHT dude people don't know anything about SDF and will just assume shit and when you disagree all they do is insult you. This community is crazy bro

[glossy pivot]

be me
dont play high roller because of gear check
only get loot to sell because money lets me make stupid builds (i really like traps)
wake up one day
gear is normalized
now I can kill bosses so much faster methinks
kill boss
legendary weapons? amazing!
go to sell legendary weapons
mfw they are worth nothing

Sdf please fix

[warm basin]

why tf, is the lobby skin not shared to the team. who cares about a skin you can only see yourself..

[gilded trout]

Preferences per member maybe? No music in spooky lobby.

[wary finch]

"I don't like this patch"
Fine
"All SDF cares about is cold hard cash"
Not fine
How is that hard?

[glass nexus]

Wut

[loud moat]

Mfw legendaries are worth 10x more than greens but i blog in the discord they are the same value

[odd oxide]

They were worth nothing in patch 68 as well! Why are you saying they were worth something before? Got a legendary club, it was worth 60gold! Another disingenuous opinion.

[warm basin]

Then allow them to disable it lol. Just reminds me of how bad it is conceptually to have VOIP but it keeps turning itself of every now and then so basically no one has it on.

[clear carbon]

❌

[hard rock]

Alright your blocked bro. Clearly you know nothing and don't offer any meaningful arguments. I warned you btw

[wary finch]

And nothing of value was lost lol

[uneven cradle]

They’re just parrots, with no original opinions themselves.

So many comments that just aren’t true lmao

[odd oxide]

I love when people formulate their own thoughts into a readable post that gives points to their own counter argument. Oh wait!

[hard rock]

Would appreciate you to stop insulting my friend. This is your one warning before you get blocked as well

[flat haven]

Yeah picking club for your example is crazy. Do an example of an actual meta weapon and they WERE* all 300+ gold and thats on the low end.

[fossil kayak]

Some maniac in 2 games now is running around shouting "death to SDF! revert the patch!" and whisper spamming the lobby wtf?

[clear carbon]

Yall are way too invested in this shit the game will be good in a minute no need to be a giant keyboard warrior over everything lol

[uneven cradle]

Still are.

[tired maple]

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[woeful wolf]

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[delicate terrace]

i killed 3 people. this one cleric guy started hitting me cuz i was lootin my kills and he had no interaction with the fight. started killin me for no reason cuz he wanted loot.. idk what this game is about but there really are some nasty little players out there (my random teammate)

[hard rock]

Yeah this game is screwed bro why are we all even in here talking about this dead game

[glossy pivot]

be me (patch 68)
find purple weapon with +add weapon damage and two other rolls
omg time to get paid
sell for 500g

be also me (Patch 69)
find purple weapon with +add weapon damage and two other rolls
omg time to get paid
sell for 90 gold

[strong ember]

honestly 68 patch has too much loot and economy was bad but 69 is not this game

[clear carbon]

Real!1!11

[odd oxide]

Can't respond to everyone at the moment. Meta weapons in legendary still cost less than patch 68 lightfoot boots rare with double speed. Ctuluz, insulting your friend? I am sorry I dislike people who don't add anything onto the conversation. Giant, so being passionate about the game is only a sin when I am not apart of the majority shitting on it?

[long oasis]

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[flat haven]

Eh just depends on the type of weapon. There are some types where it is almost impossible to get bad modifier rolls so they are cheaper.

[keen wren]

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[tired maple]

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[strong ember]

its still not worth to run with gear and if i lie why most ppl in lobby are white geared?

[loud moat]

most ppl are turbo noobs who cant farm kits

[midnight ember]

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[clear carbon]

U do u boo boo 🤭

[keen wren]

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[tepid depot]

What do you think is the weakest class rn ?

[loud moat]

so the game is bad now because legendary weapons arent as expensive as double ms lightfoots were? not sure if i understand, you are pro movespeed meta?

[odd oxide]

real. ong fr fr, skibidi toilet

[earnest silo]

Fighter.

[clear carbon]

Rogue

[gilded lagoon]

Fighter weakeat

[tired maple]

https://strawpoll.com/Qrgewm9eQyp/results

[keen wren]

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[tepid depot]

Ain't fighter strong overall/didn't got nerf to much lately ?
How about long sword ?

@clear carbon Why do you think rogue is weak ?
@plucky venture what about you ? who are the weakest ?

T'ill your just saying your opinion it's fine

@echo zealot I feel like cleric is still the best healer in the game, maybe he is weak in solo, but when you see him in every team comp in trio, it's hard to say the same

[echo zealot]

ATM I would say cleric

[autumn hollow]

barbian is weakest rn

[charred sparrow]

I'd second that unless you're a pairing god.

[strong ember]

hahah guy saying parry mechanics should be nerfed to mitigate skill gap 😂

[loud moat]

that message you linked does not say that did u reply to wrong person

[elder crystal]

If SDF said the patch will be tomorrow (at 9pm his time) does that mean the patch will be tonight because tonight for us will be tomorrow morning for him?? HMM+

[tired maple]

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[echo zealot]

Yeah but when people get killed in 1 to 2 hits what’s the point of a heal

[crude berry]

You have to aim still 😂 it doesn't auto block for you. It still takes practice

[tepid depot]

Barbian got nerf just a lil bit, he still got huge stats and he was the meta not so long ago
@strong ember Against two good player, I feel like parrying can be somehow hard to pull off, and it's more about mind games.
@echo zealot You got a point, overeal is still a thing even tho it's not a lot. And if you got some barbarian/fighter in your team, I feel like some quick heal to tank one more hit could be great

[loud moat]

the heals are still really big, like completely undo an entire hit of damage to you. healing ability is FOR SURE not cleric's problem rn, more a combo of cleric's tankiness, dps, and low ms/interact speed, in gear you still will full heal people w/ 1 heal

[south vigil]

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[clear carbon]

Rogue is weak because it has no range unless u have throwing knives and poison weapon and even with landmine rogue if they notice u at all u are probably going to get 1 shot if not 2 shot. Even if u get away barb has achilles and fighter has crossbow wiz has fireball warlock has curses druid has summon treant to trap u.

[keen wren]

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[fossil kayak]

Some maniac in 2 games now is running around shouting "death to SDF! revert the patch!" and whisper spamming the lobby wtf?

[graceful storm]

imagine defending SDFs vision when he doesnt even like his vision