game-discussion

[clear marten]

Nah it doesn't, even tho it has the riposte

[olive vapor]

how do u craft the cyclops vision crystal?

[scarlet bronze]

weaponsmith but you need to complete quests for him

[timid willow]

cyclops eye and you have to date the weaponsmith

[grave geode]

its the same case for rangers, mosquito rouges, bards and wizards. If they have more ms then you then you wont touch them unless you catch them off guard around a corner or they misplay and try to melee for no reason and the only fair point against warlocks would be they heal off their curse, but thats still the cost of moderately lower damage compared to the other classes, just look at wizard spell scalings and base dmg compared to CoP

[plucky ivy]

Rondel surv bow fighter is balanced!

[timid willow]

When can i come to your comedy show? That's the best joke ever.

[hushed tangle]

if you both build max move speed you wont catch the warlock though. phantomize is an infinite get out of jail free card. warlocks only have lower damage on PURE CASTERLOCK BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PURE CASTER CLASS. Should warlocks have the same damage as wizards??? while also having access to healing, a summons, phantomize, and oh... infinite spell charges? and the easiest to land spells? like what a joke bro. There are other warlock builds that deal plenty of damage. It's a ranged/melee hybrid class.. you can get insane melee damage with sustained healing to rival any class in melee dps... it's much higher skill floor and skill cieling than other melee classes and casterlock, but if it was easy it would be broken

[grave geode]

you are not beating any class in melee as warlock unless you outplay

[narrow dock]

If anyone has quests or bosses to do, this streamer is doing games with viewers: https://www.twitch.tv/notlikethis_joe

[chrome sun]

Guys hows Solo HR in Forgotten Castle lookin rn? People getting player hunted atm?

[timid willow]

you lie

[blissful hearth]

Is there any plans to bring back bracketing? 500+ gear score chuds coming at you in your 80 gear score trying to farm is pretty annoying

[scarlet bronze]

you can, with demonlock or buffing platelock. but they need to fight you while demon form, and is easlily outplayed by running away and closing doors

[narrow dock]

I've played with him. Super chill. We helped a rogue kill warlord and it was his first attempt.

[blissful hearth]

I dunno a warlock with 60% magic power bonus smacking you with a Void Blade might work just fine in melee.

[scarlet bronze]

run away when he activates BoC, void blade damage only applies to BoC, so if it runs out is just a normal longsword (and is just 4 extra magic damage on one hit)

[silver dagger]

I feel like druid and probably all spell casters should have a slow passive spell regen

[timid willow]

does he have a yt?

[hushed tangle]

insane that you don't even know how your own class works lmao that's hilarious. Warlock has access to bardiche, halberd. longsword, falchion, and dagger aka all of the best melee weapons in the game. You have you choice of demon form, phantomize, and BoC which are all great melee options + several very strong spells for melee and some solid perks. I did a 0 spell BoC + Phantomize build and wasn't having any issue in melee

[timid willow]

warlock has curse of power eldtrich shield bloodstained basically 3 shots any class with boc end of story.

[verbal anchor]

Can I do anything if I only know discord name of a guy who cheats in game?
I know he does, was listening to his conversation on VC.

[narrow dock]

yup. i first found him on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NQS7D6-OPk

[solar sage]

Bro is so cooked

[timid willow]

nah it just feels stupid that i played longsword fighter for 500 fame worth of games and then i go and have more fun with longsword warlock beacuse of self buffs and more mdr.

[hushed tangle]

yup. or one to two shots them if they are using bardiche or halberd. I got one shot on a 208 hp barb once by a bardiche warlock. It was one curse then a bardiche hit so not exactly one shot but who knows, he might have one shot without the curse

[scarlet bronze]

all that to a franction of the power a barb has. they also have no movespeed steroid if they go boc + selfbuffs, and no ranged option but drums, also bad base action speed and no second wind either. So if they run away when you buff and boc (they should) you are useless

[solar sage]

If you think lock is strong I think you should reconsider.

Caster warlock (how lock was meant to be played) is dying.

So yes,every warlock reconverts to either demon lock or one tap builds because thats legit the only way to be a tenth as decent as other classes.

[timid willow]

Warlocks are just superior IF built for mellee and it pisses me off. My buddy ran a cap mdr warlock with the wizard meta and we farmed juice like nothing he would walk through 8 fireballs spamming eldritch.

[hushed tangle]

most warlock players are just really bad at the game because they never had to learn it properly with how OP warlock was. There is also 0 incentive to learn how to dodge melee attacks when you can just phantomize them. Going from longsword fighter to longsword warlock gives you a great understanding of the combat mechanics without being crippled by being accustomed to abusing warlock

[scarlet bronze]

you die to anyone shooting arrows with that build tho

[frank swan]

fighters have BOWS. it seems to be a "W key forever" issue on ur side more than anything else.

[solar sage]

I was top 500 lock at some point, and you play barb,so like you're bound to get made fun off lil bro

[timid willow]

ever heard of dodging? playing corners using a heater shield?

[solar sage]

Ever heard of "aim better" ?

Bows are the second fastest projectile in the game (COP being first), so like just aim better

[scarlet bronze]

well yeah, if you manage to close the distance as a melee lock without getting hit at all by arrows and they don't run away when you press BoC yeah, they missplayed it . The reason demonlock is strong is because you can heal the damage they deal to you when you go to melee

[timid willow]

I would love to agree with you but I can't beacuse warlocks can use shields, warlocks have high will so they heal better to begin with. they have axe specilization with a heal attached to it I mean bruh.

[hard rock]

Heater shield sucks compared to pavise

[solar sage]

If you think warlock is broken wait untill you hear about barb ,wizard and fighter 💀(and druid)

[frosty nymph]

Thanks Iron Mace! I love Panther Druid !

[timid willow]

hear? I never have an issue fighting a barbarian, fighters are only broken with rondels rn wizard are.. well wizard druids need a bit of skill expresion to play. If you get 1 shotted by a bear that's your fault not the bear's fault.

[hard rock]

Axe specliazation?

[solar sage]

And warlock dosent?

Yeah no you're a lost cause ill just disengage from this conversation

[scarlet bronze]

if you run spells buffs + heater. and you get to melee and they dont hit nothing while you are running at them and you are using boc. Yeah they misplay it hard. Is not that the build is strong, other melee classes have either movespeed boost or a lot of more pdr and damage mitigation so you can close the distance

[timid willow]

it's a comparison since i forgot it was named shadow touch it's basically the same damage with a heal on it.

[scarlet bronze]

is 2 damage, per hit, and 2 heal. is worse than axe specialization for damage

[grave geode]

you can just walk away from the warlock when they pop their biffs and now they have to waste heals cause they just keep damaging themselves. you get to a decent physical dmg amount with buffs but will be outclassed by the actual melee classes or you will simply be kitted out by any ranged classes cause you have no range apart from cop and you have no slows or ms buffs so you cant chase or run from fighters with sprint or barbs with rage and/or achilles

[timid willow]

nah i play longsowrd and keep a heather in my inventory to push people and switch at the last second it doesn't take long and i usually run good dex on that build if i ever play warlock with longsword or zwei. and shadowtouch is true damage axe spec isn't true so it's not worse.

[dry nebula]

Axe spec applies on body modifiers like headshots

[timid willow]

learn something new every day.

[scarlet bronze]

axe is weapon damage, so it gets boosted by phys power bonus, 3*barbs phys power is better than 2. and speaking about longsword, a fighter with sword mastery and sprint would do more for cheaper and easier

[timid willow]

yeah unti you run into those beautiful rondel fighters and you don't have a complete counter for them like you do on warlock. the only class a melle warlock would have issues against is barb in my opinion.

[unborn rune]

rondel fighter makes me want to die

[scarlet bronze]

Wait, if you win vs a ronder fighter with a Boc longsword warlock you deserve the win like, thats insane

[grave geode]

pdr fighter? rnager? wiz? druid?

[timid willow]

i explained what I do to rangers wiz you have anti magic.

[scarlet bronze]

smite divine protection cleric will melt you, and a wizard will melt you too

[hushed tangle]

hmm it's almost like every single class in the game has that problem when pushing ranged classes. not a problem unique to warlock. You can reset on warlock the quickest to be buffed up again though 🙂

[timid willow]

you'd have no ideea how easy it is to bait smite divine prot. You have to consider the skill expression of most players in the dungeon. Yeah a good cleric will melt that. a regular cleric won't same goes with wiz. im more afraid of judgement smite.

[scarlet bronze]

Yeah, but then we are speaking about skill difference. everybuild is viable if you can manage to outplay the oponent, we are speaking about equal level of skill (if you hit a cop, they manage to hit with the bow)

[grave geode]

how would you reset the quickest if you’re running melee lock with buffs? you cant take torture mastery other wise youre doing like 50 dmg to yourself when buffing if you run hydrain you need a ridiculous amount of memory too

[hushed tangle]

just parry lol

[hushed tangle]

there is a perk that gives you a massive increase to magical healing. did you forget that warlocks can use health pots too? it's literally better than potion chugger lol. just run some magical healing and take healing pots in for once

[scarlet bronze]

massive=20%

[hushed tangle]

you're spoiled asf on that class truly..

[grave geode]

bruh what??? potion chugger makes your pots 2x faster and gives 20% more healing what are you smoking?

[scarlet bronze]

he is just outhealing the self damage of bsb pos and eldritch shield (with tm) thanks to the massive 20% healing of the pot

[timid willow]

idk man never had an issue with cleric when i got my warlock to wanderer , I played longsowrd i distanced myself and killed them, I probably didn't run into a good cleric but that's a different story. I went from 0 to wanderer with 1 kit and I went to demigod with my fighter with only 2 kits. Spell less Clerics are mostly stupid from my experience.

[hushed tangle]

it increases the potency of your potions by 20% it doesn't increase your magical healing by 20%.. warlock perk increases the base healing of the potion AND all of your magical healing you've built in. yeah barbs get faster duration but eh it's a downside for prot pots

[twin juniper]

hello please make larger maps or create random dungeons thanks!

[timid willow]

they pop smite as soon as they hear sprint or boc you can play durations and space boc lasts more than smite or divine prot does. so timing ig.

[scarlet bronze]

yeah, most of them were meta chasers that watched a youtube video or something. The scariest thing you can fight is a bonk wizard, almost every single one of them know what they are doing, in my experience. (and the build has a lot of counterplay)

[grave geode]

the only mag healing you get apart from pots is hydrain(I think?) which would require you to build lots of mem cap or curse mastery which is not viable with buff melee loc or demonlocks skill

[hushed tangle]

you dont want the shorter duration on the healing potion for warlock

[timid willow]

bonk wizards are scary af. I agree.

[scarlet bronze]

nowadays is mostly wizard and rondel fighters. But the wizard hype is dying fast because of the nerfs, so we will see what the meta chasing will be now soon

[timid willow]

I'm geniuenly scared of the future "meta" I'm just a longsword boy I play barely anything else.

[scarlet bronze]

things will get ugly until next wipe probably. next wipe will bring big balance with arenas i hope

[twin juniper]

sadly game is dying they lost their chance with steam relase

[short rover]

Does anyone actually know how to dodge warlord I need some help

[scarlet bronze]

Yeah, you might be right. They listened too much to reddit and streamers. and they are too slow releasing content. They should have probably not release the game on early access and in steam, is too soon

[grave geode]

what class are you playing?

[timid willow]

Can't wait for arena I don't have enough fingers to count how many times i got third party after an intense team fight per day. I will finally have an actual 1v1. or teamVteam

[short rover]

Druid, i need help dodging this particular attack - can dodge all other attacks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0EgPOG3y_4

[grave geode]

you need to duck in the direction he swings from

[timid willow]

stay closer to him while you go left you're too far so you get hit by the blade.

[scarlet bronze]

i am more concerned about what gear and builds will we be using in arenas. We will pick the gear on the arena? bring our own? we will lose it when we die?

[short rover]

one particular video said keep distance and strafe duck left

[twin juniper]

well i think game needs better idk ceo of balance or something bro how is this sdf guy real? he posts stuff like "oh i made cleric op cuz its my fav character haha" or " ye i cant wait for december wipe we realsing penguins !!!! omg i love them" like wtf is this just make game good?

[grave geode]

https://youtu.be/SjP57UqUK2s?si=VAZgtb7WjxMCX7ks ryan6daysaweeks guide
sparkykawa also has vids of him soloing every boss on every class

[empty zealot]

I cant see how many hr points my ranger has?

[scarlet bronze]

they said it on some interview, one of the bosses is focusing on thinking new content and making fun and interesting interactions and builds, and other boss is more focused on making the game fair and balance

[timid willow]

don't keep distance the blade arcs downwards so you have to be close af to him.

[short rover]

Minute 5:05: 5. CW Diagnol Swing (strafe & duck left)

thats exacly what im doing in the video

[grave geode]

his blade starts on his roght side but he swings all the way around behind him and the swing ends on his roght side whoch is the way you ducked

[twin juniper]

idk they hitred like 90 people or something just how can u not add some new content and like balance/make new system for dungeons. Same with their promises about arena/new classes etc arena should be relased in like winter/early spring btw

[hushed tangle]

longsword will prob get nerfed too if they ever touch up the melee combat (I doubt that it will ever imrpove though(

[remote shard]

When is wipe?

[timid willow]

I would literally uninstall. though im positive they have worse problems than longsword.

[hushed tangle]

i mean if they took the riposte damage from 180% down to like 125% you would still be 2 tapping anyone that isn't a full pdr hp tank

[midnight crown]

https://youtube.com/shorts/CspLzweIjCc?si=KxPn4fMfPRDLo2wv

[scarlet bronze]

my guess is, the software architecture wasn't good. So they need time to refactor and clean the code and also to teach the new people how the current code works.
My even more wild guess is that they really want the modules to be random generated, and they are having an extraordinarely bad time with that and is probably eating a lot of dev time.
Is also probably that the balance they do is getting compromised because they are spending too much time to solve the lawsuit

[short rover]

he's dodging the same attack at 5:37 exacly like me, but i endup dead in one shot when i try to do the same, i die consistently on this attack as well, can dodge all other attacks

[hushed tangle]

I would rather it do less damage but be more useable. they also need to make it a proper parry though. it's like the most babified version of a parry i've ever seen in the game.. it shouldn't be able to trigger on every part of the blade even the guard and then also be a holdable block. needs to be a proper timed parry. Right now it's fineish because the melee combat is really bad in the game, but if they got a better system they would def have to change it. this is assuming other weapons get a parry mechanic as well so it wouldnt only be a longsword change

[timid willow]

if you want you can call me and ill show you my warlord clips from medal.

[grave geode]

that was the horizontal swing that killed you not the diagonal swing

[twin juniper]

sadly i think that only random dungeons will save this game rn its just unplayable in crypts / maybe ruins will be much better since u cannot get rly stuck there since its very open map

[short rover]

it seems he's moving around the warlord in the video, i kept more distance,

@Shuu: what medal?

[eager olive]

what? Why wouldn't you want the faster healing pots on a melee warlock if you could get it. Potion Chugger is easily an S tier perk, and it just so happens to scale incredibly well off of magical healing and buff duration - both extremely cheap add-rolls on a barbarian.

[timid willow]

clipping software. meaning ill show you my clips

[short rover]

do you have clips of this particular attack?

[timid willow]

ill check yeah I do

[twin juniper]

u guys know u can block warlord in the torch right? i mean in the bowl with fire idk whats the word for that

[cinder jewel]

They need to make it so rogue cutthroat shuts off druids phase shift. No reason I should turn off all your abilities and you still phase out for the same time you are silenced

[scarlet bronze]

yeah, i have hope they release new content soon. More classes, more maps, random layouts, random mob locations etc

[hushed tangle]

potion chugger doesn't scale off of magical healing, just the potions do. and no those rolls are only cheap bc barbarian has cheap gear in general bc it's kinda bad geared. and you want a slower duration because you want the pot to last a fight, not go away before you can even get into it. same reason i dont take potion chugger on barb sometimes, i'd rather get the healing over a longer duration

[short rover]

i have more clips of me dieing to this attack, probably close to 50deaths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnHRcaj39pw

[timid willow]

look all the way down.

[short rover]

yes i noticed i dont always look all the way down in clips, that could be the culprit, low sens player not enough mousemat

[twin juniper]

well trios/duos are just insanely hard on crypts/goblin caves since people just know all the spots they either landmine or wait for 3rd party

[timid willow]

i got a clip of me soloing on barbarian with felling axe and i dodge that attack a good ammount of times.

[scarlet bronze]

To be fair, to fix that they need to buff PVE in HR. (pve in general should be buffed)

[short rover]

@shuu can you upload to youtube? ill check it out

[twin juniper]

wont matter anyway its just a problem look u spawn top left on crypts u are already dead u just cant win

[empty zealot]

Are ranks locked already?

[scarlet bronze]

There are a few spawns in crypts (and GC) that are complete bullshit. top left and botom right on crypts are the worst contenders.

[timid willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtdF54Or1hE there

[short rover]

thanks ❤

[eager olive]

Potion chugger one hundred percent stacks with magical healing. HP Potions scale at 50% efficiency off of magic power bonus, and magical healing, and the two stack. Potion chugger's +20% gets applied at the end as a multiplier to the total, same way as torture mastery does. To say that I've tested this is an understatement, as I have built out a spreadsheet to calculate the exact effects of will, buff duration bonus and magical healing (with and w/o potion chugger) and tested the outcomes with actual kits...

Why would you care about a potion "lasting a fight"? In reality you're gonna take more than 30 damage to a singular hit anyway. You want that potion to recover you ASAP (and then you can drink another one if you have a second to disengage)

[timid willow]

I didn't edit the nonesense out of it so just skip through.

[hushed tangle]

this is run and runner not fight and fighter lol wtf? you want the longer duration to sustain the curses that are buffing you for melee. did you miss the rest of the discussion?

[short rover]

does it matter if i kill one or two minions or none at all? i dont even bother not to risk losing hp

[twin juniper]

ye today we played with uniques on crypts we spawned top left with tps on crypts we got pushed from 3 teams insta 1 min into the game xd

[timid willow]

his damage increases along with the lenght of his blade and in HR the explosion thing when you block gets bigger if he has souls. but if you're doing it no hit don't bother.

[eager olive]

you're running melee POS/BSB warlock and you're... not taking eldritch shield? Why would you gimp yourself like that?

[scarlet bronze]

that sucks, yesterday i spawned here and i started drinking invis pots. eventually i ended up third parting the people than spawn rushed. But it was solos, so easier to survive

[short rover]

4:27 your video I would be dead here.. maybe you're right about not enough looking down

[timid willow]

i eat warlord for breakfast it became the easiest boss to do for me. if you have any other questions lmk. just keep practicing and you'll surely get it I have mad respect that you're learning it on your own.

[short rover]

i managed 4phases once, but druid not that much damage, maybe i should practice with barb first
i buy rare mace everytime now as well

[subtle heart]

when is wipe?

[timid willow]

perhaps, I milked about 30 bags from players that payed me to do wl I would suggest continueing on druid but with a divine rod or morningstar. if ya switch to barb the weapon difference will screw with you.

[eager olive]

you might find it easier using a spear? Having more space to maneouver is never bad, and it's easier to clear the guards with it too. You also get the option to clutch parry with the spear too.

[timid willow]

with spear warlord hits your hands a lot of times so you're only limited to do only the first attack of the spear from what I've heard.

[tired moss]

man they should remove the centaur hoof from the quest. Legit spending hours upon hours just going inferno killing all centaurs and reapeating and nothing till now

[scarlet bronze]

the yeti and wendigo drops are worse

[tired moss]

I just want the mummy ;-;

[pine folio]

anyone know if you get goblin recover after dying to storm?

[chrome sun]

YESSSSS LETS GOOOO pathfinder 3 boiiiis, now time to stop going into high roller until next season

[empty zealot]

Lets hope the skin has nice stats

[timid willow]

go for the tainted heart little one.

[chrome sun]

Not enough time plus I dont wanna lose all my AP I've worked so hard for lol. The AP cost is too high. I've gotten my goal, the skeleton champion skin

[timid willow]

was joking, gl next wipe

[native isle]

bard barb cleric good comp?

[eager olive]

ah fair, haven't tried taking him with a spear myself. I'm a longsword addict.

[timid willow]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/iiFSJWZ5jNOieLbJ2/d1337pgNuzt0?invite=cr-MSxhcFEsMTk5MDM4NzIxLA me too

[chrome sun]

Has there been any word on what the tainted heart will even do?

[short rover]

damn thats insane

[timid willow]

prob skin of when you die and someone checks your body

[timid willow]

fastest warlord is 1 min and 6 seconds for me with like meh gear in hr is 1 min and 45 sec.

[crisp sand]

hey what are the gear score brackets?

[mossy tide]

is strength scaling worse with rondel dagger than bardiche?

[wide walrus]

i got to purple lvl and my dreams of demi god are nearly dead im out of kits with 160 gold left dang instead of mobbs staying in a line they surrounded me in bear form

[timid willow]

this makes me oddly happy. not you being out of kits you getting surrounded in bear form.

[short rover]

barb?

[timid willow]

fighter

[weary bone]

Why would i ever take Curse Mastery? I dont get the upside? As far as i understood, the longer duration doesnt translate to more dmg because more ticks. It just spreads out the ticks over a longer duration? So the DPS goes down? And even if you go TM, you still would heal the same amount, but it just takes longer? Whats the point?

[modest wadi]

How much is an uncommon leather chausses with +2 strength worth? i dont see any with strength at all.

[timid willow]

30 gold

[reef skiff]

Lets say I reach voyager and then demote, do I lose those rank rewards? or are the ranked rewards for the highest reached rank

[wise steeple]

bring back lobbies and inspect and nerf every character besides barbarian and then buff barbarian making him faster and with the ability to use invis potions!!!!!

[timid willow]

you lose em, you need to be that rank when season ends

[modest wadi]

how much is unique lightfoot boots with 5 add. move speed, 1.4% move speed bonus and 2 agility worth?

[frank swan]

Do'nt try to learn warlock til they rework it. It's pointless, especially TM. Try wizard.

[weary bone]

i have 300 hours on warlock, i just dont understand how it works

[frank swan]

Apologies. Nowadays, the only players i know using curse mastery are using it so they can POS themselfs for a longer duration.

To answer you : it will increase the damage per tick when static ( PoS) and won't when the damage isn't static ( CoP) where indeed, it reduces it. The perk is indeed mostly a bait, but TM lock is dead anyway.

[weary bone]

Okay thank you. so there legit is no reason to take it

[frank swan]

Especially as there's legit no reason to play TM anymore (except bossing).

[chrome sun]

Sounds like you are rushing in too quickly

[cobalt quail]

Hey can we get a buff for barb, 160 hp in a default kit is good but it could be better. Maybe make it like 250 hp to be a little more playable, thanks

[timid willow]

hey can we get 50% pdr by default on fighter, thanks. That's how you sound like to me.

[cobalt quail]

I mean fighter is pretty good now that they removed bringing in weapons or equipment in the inventory, two windlass was holding you back

[timid willow]

never did that never will

[cobalt quail]

The jokes
Your head

[timid willow]

Not quite the creative one are we?

[cobalt quail]

We? Sorry i dont converse with alphabet people

[timid willow]

Take your pills my friend.

[cobalt quail]

Happy pride month, sit on a 8==D or something for me to celebrate

[timid willow]

ok

[foggy hearth]

this was definetly not what i expected in game discussion channel

[timid willow]

My b I entertained it xd. Prob shouldn't have.

[short rover]

@timid willow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgtUwZc0os

how is this not enough crouch

[timid willow]

again you're moving far from him go towards his left just hold the a button stick to him like glue

[weak sleet]

you were literally in the path of the sword

[short rover]

i dont need to look left? if i press A looking left ill just walk back, i used W button

[timid willow]

no just look forward go glue to warlord

[short rover]

maybe i recognise his attack too late

should i stay closer to him always?

[solar smelt]

i have a question, is the next season patch an everything wipe ?

[timid willow]

yeah stay close to him, it's easier to dodge attacks if you're close to him. check the barb clip at like 2 30 or smt

[short rover]

okay ill try to put my head in his ass next run, thinking of trying a dagger on a druid what you think?

[pallid shoal]

That sucks man, it took only like 4 or 5 centaurs for me. Getting the Lich boss is harder IMO, I keep getting ghost king

[timid willow]

too slow I wouldn't recommend it

[tired moss]

been farming centaurs for hours man, going crazy at this point lmao

[pallid shoal]

Does it still work if you buy one?

[timid willow]

no

[mossy tide]

farm it for 2 more hours bro youl get there trust

[tired moss]

https://tenor.com/view/digging-for-diamonds-never-give-up-gamble-keep-gambling-trash-gif-4704373444474043443

[finite yoke]

Guys I already found two diamonds, where can I find a stick so I can craft a diamond sword?

[tired moss]

stick is unique drop from frost wyvern, pretty late game but you can watch some vids on how to do it solo with bad gear

[royal carbon]

anyone else having trouble connecting to the game?

[mossy tide]

no just u

[royal carbon]

im gonna blow my head off

[obsidian leaf]

Actually ruined the matchmaking with the removal of the pre game lobby

[echo sigil]

wait what?

[obsidian leaf]

I've gone into five dungeons where it's just me and my duo. No ones playing this shit for the pve

[mossy tide]

ye no shit

[weak sleet]

this is a pvp game with pve elements not vice versa so yea makes sense

[balmy minnow]

poke sidestep poke poke poke sidestep poke poke poke poke sidestep poke poke poke sidestep poke poke poke poke sidestep poke poke poke sidestep poke poke poke

[tender fossil]

Then it just sounds like it needs a buff in some way. Why else would any feel obliged to run two windlasses if the weapon was good on its own.

[sonic stump]

Question about Movement Speed, is 330 the cap or can you build past that but the numbers don't show? I keep seeing people over stack ms past 330 like it does something?

[muted sphinx]

when is wipe?

[hushed tangle]

it's the cap and the movement system is garbage

[subtle heart]

can we fix the stuttering please? im so very tired of trying to strafe away from people then stuttering and it not moving me just throwing my kit away

[sonic stump]

with this said can anyone by chance explain why so many others run 330+ if it is the cap

[hushed tangle]

nope, there is just a lot of rubberbanding

[sonic stump]

I guess that and the clickbait videos it seems. Thanks wanted to make sure I understood that mechanic

ahh was gonna dm since chat timers but can't. Classes that are fun/broken imo right now haft to be wizard, ranger and fighter. Barb is also still good. You just got to know your spacing/fights with them and you'll rake in end of szn bis. Especially that damn shotgun/trap meta with ranger

[obsidian leaf]

I would be happy to wait upwards of five minutes for matchmaking if it meant I was not the only one in every dungeon

[sonic stump]

so true man preach

[wide walrus]

is the demi god reward going to be useful to solo players will it glow through armnor?? im losing hope to get demi god i literally died from irl interruption mainly then nightmare thanos

[waxen light]

any ranger longbow build recommendation?

[sonic stump]

i got it cus its purple, thats it nothing else. we know nothing else about it either

[hushed tangle]

Wizard and Fighter are OP and the rest are all strong or at least decent. Barb is probably the worst class in the game in terms of quality of life and gameplay, but no class in the game is weak.

[tidal lynx]

can someone tell me why my game is never in actual fullscreen mode?

[sonic stump]

I still like to put ranger up there as you can take a full legendary kit in greens with it

you should look up the armor penetration build everyones using with it. A youtube video going into detail about the class setup and playstyle will help you a lot

[hushed tangle]

so playing today i've learned that the wizard nerf was a fkin joke and it's still absolutely busted. big surprised considering they gigabuffed it then gave it the slightest fking nerf

[mossy tide]

cry about it

[keen lark]

fireball still absurd but i think spell overload was kinda dumb to begin with, so it having an actual downside besides needing to build a bit of knowledge is good. qc nerf also fine. fireball splash is the main issue here methinks

[half marten]

Fellas, if you lose your rank in high roller. Do you also lose the reward for next season or do you only need to get those once?

[mossy tide]

again

[red sundial]

the fact u can get hit twice is busted

[keen lark]

yea p sure you need to maintain that rank, its not your best of season its your current rank when it ends

[half marten]

Thanks for the help, just tryna get pathfinder for the skin.

[mossy tide]

yw

[exotic flax]

It amazes me that some people think longsword is op

[peak crypt]

Can anyone tell me time left on leaderboard?

[fluid thunder]

Is panther left clicking meta now? Seeing a lot of people M1 rather than M2 now

[versed stone]

If you guys know can yall give me a yes or no on token resetting every wipe?

[hushed tangle]

anyone else curious if the crazy wizard buffs were to do a bit of pre-testing for sorcerer? or are devs just dum?

[iron comet]

anyone know if its true that luck directly affects quest items?

[quasi mulch]

If I buy another stash, do I keep that after the wipe? or would I go back to just one stash?

[trim musk]

it increases the chance to get rarer items, which apply to quest items

[iron comet]

someone told me your more likely to get the item dropped with more luck if quest is active

[icy locust]

Warlock needs a buff 3 classes counters them

[marble kettle]

Who

[forest relic]

if i get wanderer on one character, in solos duos trios. does that mean 3x gold bags from 1 char next season each?

[trim musk]

not sure about that

[icy locust]

fighters with bow, rangers, wizards all counters warlock

[trim musk]

I don't think so

[hard niche]

fighter 103 ms 50 percent pdr yellow halberd op

[craggy salmon]

Has anyone noticed that the triple gray potions are 16g and the single is 5g?

[tall token]

sever down

[green thunder]

I think the merchants are coded to give % discounts based on quests so its prob worth like 5.5 or something

I just crashed and the game patched itself? Anyone else?

[tall token]

server is down

[craggy salmon]

I guess that kinda makes sense. But then the discount for trip is basically nonexistent at that point

[dense fulcrum]

loooove how in this game you either play like an absolute bxtch and rat and sneak around everywhere or be aggressive and try too fight only too get either third partied or killed by sopmeone just ratting playing like a bxtch its great

[craggy salmon]

I had a couple lag spikes but I'm still in

[green thunder]

im back in game but I did crash

[raw inlet]

i go out and dont have any of my loot, then i restart the game and dont any of my own equiped armors, just utilities

[craggy salmon]

I'm rebooting game jic lol

[manic wren]

i had just had such a good run and i got terminated and now i lost it all from rollback

[dull arrow]

are the servers down?

[ornate acorn]

Yeah, imo it'd be great if the game gave health based on how much damage you dealt to someone when you kill them to reduce the power of third partying. But it's also part of the other half: even though this is a PvP game and content creators show off some great moments, more often than not, PvP is a rough RPS gamble that has a huge chance to backfire if there are a lot of people still alive. That and all the tinglers and wallseers about.

[civic rampart]

are 124 lobbies not working anymore? keep seeing people with 200+ in the early game when i am 124

[ornate acorn]

Pure spell warlock for sure. But look into warlock's melee capabilities. Dark Offering, Blow of Corruption, bardiche and zwei are all insane tools to play a super scary hybrid play style

[silent fable]

ts just heartwarming to lure and enitre goblin horde onto the escape lift where two people are playing friendly then walking off, and watching as both die, nothing disgusts me more than friendlys

[sinful hollow]

i understand this game prolly wants to be less new player friendly but teach people how to use and what alter of sacrifice is...

[clear blade]

Do HR skins eventually make it to the cash shop given few seasons later?

Feeling burnt out. Just trying to get that Skeleton Skin this seasons >. < I might just buy it probably in the future if possible

[tired moss]

ngl feeling burnt out aswell. Been just entering inferno over and over and killing every centaur in the map for the hoof so I can get mummy skin but it just doesnt drop

[dense fulcrum]

this is why i cant wait for arena i like the pvp aspect of this game more than anything else like okay have a game mode for the people who suck ass at pvp and like too farm but we need something that will actually show off the pvp skill of players

[clear blade]

Quest skins from what I know eventually make it to the cash shop at least. But yeah the RNG factor is the worst. The added queue--venture to Inferno just for those hooves chance is a pain.

[tired moss]

legit am just entering forgotten castle finding an inferno gate and sitting there for 10 minutes>killing centaurs>rince and repeat\

[silent fable]

arenas ganna kill this game like it did dungeonborne, all pple ganna play is arena

[hard thicket]

"failed to connect to game" and steam cant sync dark and darker... whats up ?

[fervent anvil]

ah yes one mode of the game is gonna kill the entire game

[silent fable]

well people just say they like pvp more than anything, so why the fuck would they play normal pvepvp, if they can just get straight to the what they like the most

[quasi grail]

loot has to come from somewhere. and quests

[fervent anvil]

yes but they are still playing dark and darker?

[faint sparrow]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow did yall revert the 125 gear score cap by accident or on purpose

[silent fable]

then playing the real game will just be like doing your daily dungeons on ff14

[quasi grail]

huh. what is ff14

[silver hill]

are they ever plannign on bringing the outdoor map back

[fervent anvil]

just ignore him. it doesnt seem like he knows how to think for himself

[vital wharf]

what is 43.2955 cm/360 in your bio?

[quasi grail]

honestly. i was more expecting ragebait. im just too tired to be mad

[coral wasp]

anyone know how to fix dark and darker closing every frikkin time???

[wary tinsel]

How do you PM someone in game?

[blazing perch]

win looby and lose all items wtf and equipament. bug game ?

[ornate acorn]

Assuming mousepad size and that he has a 360 monitor setup

[ornate acorn]

My only problem with the PvE is when it third parties the PvP. Nothing worse than getting finished off by a goblin after winning the fight of your life.

[quiet jolt]

Ugh as a fighter, do I just lose to a warlock?

[normal oracle]

i think there may be a hidden boss on the castle map.. one torch in the whole map doesn't let you turn it off.. but maybe if you turn off all the other torches, it becomes the trigger to spawn the "dark" boss.. that's why it says "the dark grows darker" when someone gets out, maybe it's the boss scaling with player count.. because it takes every player left working together to beat it.. maybe that's also why the cleric can heal hostile players.. I bet it's a Grue.. 🙂

[blazing perch]

I won a game completely We looted all the teams, after extracting I don't have looted anything, nor do I have my equipment equipped, I only have my arrows and my potions before starting the looby, help

[latent lava]

so what is the point that me in cloth gear with agi stat,without itens in hand runs slower than a Barb with a Bardiche in hands?

Even in Phantomize he still faster than me, no makes sense

[warped nebula]

@glad thunder Explosive bottles/oil lanterns need to have their dmg updated based on their rarity. They clearly do not all do 15 dmg.

Was getting super bored so I did an explosive bottle trap build for 3 days - took no bows or crossbow, only a rapier and 2 handbows and wore the typical rogue looking gear and golden scarf so people would think I am a rogue thefore not think about traps. Built 8 true magic and enough will/magic power to put me at 0% magic power bonus.
When using green/blue bottles, no one could survive 3 bottles after a trap, not even high hp iron will barbs. Even if they tried to disarm, they would die before being able to disarm.
Switched to white oil lanterns and grey/white explosive bottles, and every barb could survive 3 and multiple other classes survived 3 bottles/lanterns

I tried to find information on dmg per rarity prior to doing this build and no one seemed to know for sure. After 3 days of doing this build though, there is clearly a dmg difference based on rarity despite the tool tip indicating 15 dmg on every rarity.

[undone peak]

with weapons out you move faster. 330 is cap but when your weapons are out whatever you built over the cap will add onto your ms

[waxen karma]

@latent lavaare you sure they didnt punch you with achilles strike and then used a felling axe because i just did that with a clothed rogue

[cold venture]

can some peeps help me beat lich on my cleric for questing for mummy skin

[sonic stump]

this is what I needed thank you, was confused when I had a ping

[latent lava]

No , he just scream and W key oon me lol

[simple flame]

SO WE HAVE LIZARDS PHASING THROUGH OBJECTS NOW
https://insights.gg/v/7blKqZarJ2iaFb7xbJIU7V

[desert orchid]

whats the insights website

[coral steppe]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/ixkgqW1rzm-qk4Ob7/d13370rA1MBM?invite=cr-MSwxdm0sMjYxNzcwMzIyLA

[coral steppe]

where did they come from wtf

[thick citrus]

do i pair rondel with a shield or not?

[hoary bluff]

So if I can get voyager should I just get through the pain and commit to demi?

[elfin wren]

Dont go that path brother, its dark and miserable

[thick citrus]

alright back to longsword and war hammer 💀

[fickle flame]

I think most on here are way too young to have played Zork. 🤣

[distant juniper]

Guys, are the chests left after the wipe? Or do they disappear along with the items?

[gray verge]

like the coin chests? Think they all get wiped. BTW does anyone know what the tainted heart reward will be like? Will it be just a heart skin, or are there additional FX

[distant juniper]

Yeah, the coin chest. Ty

[hybrid narwhal]

if i drink green luck potion then drink epic luck potion does effects stack?

[runic turtle]

No

[civic anvil]

Is there a linux group for the game? After the hotfix I can load into the game and then I get a "the tavern is not working error" and after a minute it closes out the game.

[thorn nimbus]

Most warlock builds are weak tbh

[thorn nimbus]

Every item goes away

[distant juniper]

I mean, your stash chest

[thorn nimbus]

Goes away too

[vapid dragon]

everything wipes except ur character and fame levels and cosmetics u earned or purchased

[distant juniper]

now a understand, thank you guys

[marble harbor]

Bring back evil eye

[light aurora]

Wipe date?

[vapid dragon]

september 6th for full wipe

[marble harbor]

Is wipe september 6th or 30th august?

[vapid dragon]

pvp season august 30th full wipe september 6th

[zealous void]

will this game eventually get new content like new dungeons or not?

[spare elbow]

Theyve constantly added new content to every aspect of the game including different dungeons

[zealous void]

yes but is there a roadmap or something?

[tall drift]

snowball meaning?

[agile elm]

when season end?

[zealous void]

do we keep anything after the end of a season?

[random kayak]

no

[zealous void]

aight ty

[random kayak]

hey why aren't there health bars for bosses, that'd go so hard

[uneven nebula]

Who would I message a handful of names about highly suspicious gameplay? We got "3rd partied" in the .... craziest way i've seen in ages last game and have all the names & reported, just wanted to see if following up with a member of IM would be beneficial

[shut wraith]

Intact skull drop rate way higher than bones lol

[tall sandal]

is skull champion reward in leader board a skin?

[cosmic swan]

Yes, it should be

[cosmic swan]

#in-game-reports

[cosmic swan]

September 6th for wipe, end of season should be one week before that

[fallow stratus]

Why is there so little people in my lobbies? They will ever really be like 4-6 people including me inside a lobby. It's never really a "packed" lobby

[agile elm]

ty

[zealous void]

was layer 2 removed or is it still there?

[scarlet bronze]

crypts have inferno, ice caves have abyss. what they removed is ruins (first floor)

[zealous void]

what about goblin caves they dont have anything?

[scarlet bronze]

no, GC is a single map instance, and the loot is kinda bad. GC in current meta is mostly played for quests and PVP

[zealous void]

ah aight ty

[vital mortar]

where would i post a clip so others can review it?

[royal summit]

i love spending 3k on a kit just to die to a spider

[placid narwhal]

nerf fighter. this class is so damn stupid easy to play. YES give a class the ability to outrun everyone while give it no limitations to weapons and armor and the ability to heal itself. YES great. like WHY play any other class

[jagged yarrow]

As a fellow fighter main- try cleric. They are even better lol

[placid narwhal]

How?

[jagged yarrow]

The amount of times you can make a mistake and basically get off consequence free is drastically higher than the other classes- self healing, aoe monster killing stuff, easy +14 STR on tap (literally by drinking ale with Brewmaster), you can double your strength naked with a single perk. That does not factor in spells other than the small healing spell either, shields and bless make mobs that much more of a joke.

tldr, clerics are pve gods and still great in pvp

[placid narwhal]

never played cleric...hmm i was Maining No Spell Warlock....

[willow turret]

are there still gold chests on goblin caves? havent seen 1 in 3 runs of running around looking

[lone garnet]

are the devs aware of the bad hitboxes overall ?

[vast saffron]

can anyone attest to DaD running better or worse on steam? anyone played both and seen a difference? (Blacksmith vs. Steam)

[vast hatch]

Does exploitation strike scales of vamprism magical healing ?

[elfin wren]

Ay guys is war maul good on cleric? I wanna switch a little from mace and shield

[orchid agate]

nerf now fucking druid so annoying and easy to kill everything just hit 3 times with cap

[short rover]

what is most expensive item in game atm? unique weapon or armor atm? gold chest?

[languid oriole]

War maul makes cleric (an already slow class) even slower in pvp, and has a terrible sweet spot. It does do a lot of damage though. I've used it a lot and it all depends on how good you are with spacing.

[timid willow]

viola mby or fulglor idk unique market is random af rn oh pestilence too its like 8 10 sk or smt

[timid willow]

I did I see no difference try veryfying integrity of game files, and recalibrate your settings on how you had them on blacksmith since they don't save.

[orchid agate]

/bugreport nerf now druid so annoying and easy to kill everything just hit 3 times with cap. its bugged you cant win fight as mage vs druid he just run to you and instant kill you with cat form

[rigid raft]

I FUKIN LOVE FACING DRUIDS PLEASE LET ME SEE 6 DRUIDS IN EACH LOBBY 5 IS NOT ENOUGH

[spiral trellis]

bugreport ffs i have a full video of a pre teaming pieces of shit and reporting them well do me nothing when is this game gonna fix this fucking issue

[orchid agate]

everyone report this broken bug. druids so fucking broken agains ranger/ warlock / mage / cleric / druid its so annoying

[fiery violet]

does cut throat work on dreamwalk? like is it worth taking for use on druids?

[rigid raft]

not working for some god forsaken reason

[fiery violet]

thanks, i wasn't sure, druid got cut-throatted straight into dreamwalk, not what I expected! lol

[rigid raft]

same haha glad to help

[cosmic swan]

Nop but if you hit hime fast enough at the end of the dreamwalk he won't be able to shapeshift

[fiery violet]

thanks for the tip! I'll do that instead from now on, although I think i'm gonna meme about with tumbling, DJ and back attack for a bit now lol

[orchid agate]

everyone report this broken bug. druids so fucking broken agains ranger/ warlock / mage / cleric / druid its so annoying

[shut kite]

why can't we delete characters? it's been longer than 24 hours and it still won't let me :(

[cosmic swan]

The trick would be to landmine them without cut throat, follow them and use cut throat as soon as they're out of dreamwalk

[oak sparrow]

why would i buy npc drop items if i cant turn them in as quest items? it seems so strange to me

[fiery violet]

cool, good to know for when I want to sweat some AP or +125 geared normals

[orchid agate]

everyone report this broken bug. druids so fucking broken agains ranger/ warlock / mage / cleric / druid its so annoying

[cunning island]

sometimes the merchants need the stuff for improved gear

[oak sparrow]

not only that, but that 'handled' tag the item received will corrupt looted items in your stash when stacking them

[cunning island]

yeah thats kinda bs

[fiery violet]

that one annoys me too. the quest items can often be crafting components too (sorry if you already knew that)

[ashen estuary]

ehm anyone know what happened with the servers and steam? xD

[rigid raft]

not enough funding

[daring slate]

Can I transfer the progress of my steam acc over to the normal launcher?

[languid oriole]

Yes, through the code system. It's in settings and a delicate process so don't mess it up

[zealous pagoda]

is the server updating again?? they won't let me login

[daring slate]

Okay thx

[pulsar roost]

server down ?

[orchid agate]

everyone report druid their cat form is too broken now. its no point to fight or run against druid just drop you'r item and call them meta abuser they will get you anyway in 2 hits and its impossible to outrun them

[rigid raft]

anyone else seeing druids body disappear when he dies in bear form?

[untold plume]

There is a bug where the body of the druid re-appears at the location he first transformed at, not sure what causes it but I've witnessed it a few times now.

[pulsar roost]

any one else gets failed to connect when logging in ?

[rigid raft]

first first time or when he went into bear? cause if its bear its not here

[cold spire]

steam is down my dude

[untold plume]

Should turn back into normal human form if he dies in anything but rat, and even then it is rather inconsistent if the druid corpse stays in human or rat form upon death.

[pulsar roost]

Yeah but its up again now steam and still no connect : (

[rigid raft]

nah bears just straight up disappearing, lost 3 kills to that rough

[cold spire]

its not up for everyone so i assume servers arent either. Will be fixed soon most likely

[glad plinth]

go away from the location of kills like two rooms away and come back; the body will charge back at location of death

[rigid raft]

fmlllll you real? thx i'll know in future

[glad plinth]

yeah that bug suck tho, sometimes i don't have time to take the loots and escape safely

[wild oasis]

did anyone else notice cast speed also reduces the channelling time of magic missiles? also does anyone know if it works for any channelled spell?

[cosmic swan]

Yes I think so, Sanctuary "wave" are faster with high casting speed

[olive condor]

Id rather let my gear go to rot, than to play solos rn and donate my gear to freaking timmy druids abusing the meta again. Ironmace what are you smoking???

[rigid raft]

Ngl i stomping druids with rogue rn

[olive condor]

geared agi druid would 2-3 tap any rogue rn
does 35% to me in a 50% pdr kit with 185hp. shits ridiculous

[iron oak]

Demon Lock is out tanking Barbarians, there is something wrong with that.

[white edge]

Fighter and Fighter the extraction RPG

[orchid agate]

everyone report druid their cat form is too broken now. its no point to fight or run against druid just drop you'r item and call them meta abuser they will get you anyway in 2 hits and its impossible to outrun them

[desert orchid]

I suck with cat form how do u actually use it against fast running ppl? They almost completely removed hitslow from panther and when u hit you lose a ton of ms from panther

[wary crystal]

uninstall

[desert orchid]

im sure your demigod druid self would gladly share your knowledge upon the subject

or not? Guess you just got owned by a cat lol

[wary crystal]

tf you mean bro, I just hate druid mains afraid to fight proper bouts
I had too many of them turn into rats and jump out door windows instead of battling

[green thunder]

How in the fuck have they not fixed warlord yet?

HELLO DEVS?

Are you on vacation or something?

[desert orchid]

what wrong with him

[green thunder]

when he phases to 1v1 you become unable to jump, crouch or use certain abilities for the rest of the round. Its literally a guarenteed death if you try and fight him

[wind venture]

Can we please, for fuck sake, nerf fighters? The fact they can wear 60-70% PDR with 310 speed is unfair.

[orchid agate]

EVERYONE PLEASE report on bug channel bug on druid cat from it just going 1vs3 1by1 in 3 seconds killing one player and then just run to next one after 10 seconds . CAT FORM IS BUGGED YOU CANT OUTRUN IT AND ALWAYS DEAD IN 2 CLICKS OR YOU STAY WITH 1%HP. DRUID ABUSERS RUIN THIS PATCH YOU CAN BE 400 GS RANGER WIZARD CLERIC WARLOCK AND HAVE ALMOST NO CHANCE TO WIN WITH 120 GS DRUID NOW BROKEN PATCH REALLY BAD PEOPLE ARE CRYING

[jade delta]

just hit him

[viral python]

Will all the loot also disappear after the wipe?

[vapid arch]

yes thats what a wipe is

[viral python]

oh yea, i go buy uniques on all my money

[wary crystal]

whats the most amount of money you all had this wipe?

[orchid agate]

how? my meele weapon deal 40 dmg and 1 hit is his 3 hits and my casts are 1 sec cast its enough time to kill me in broken cat form now its always 2 hit you really fast and then just rat form to get to you or run out

[jade delta]

if u play any type of ranged class, then u deserve it, bud👍

[buoyant sandal]

omg i did it, i solo cyclops first time, 😭 😭 what i learned is they need to really emphasize move speed, finally got it after stripping butt naked

[orchid agate]

you deserve to be alone forever in your sad live

[smoky dock]

Live isnt sad live is foraver happy, so just forget to say that, no scare

[wind venture]

Warlocks are so unfair, they are always walking with 330 speed -_-

[severe vessel]

Yo, is anyone else experiencing voice chat issues with HyperX Cloud 2 headset? It works but is picking up my voice very poorly, in game mic and windows settings mic are both set to max...

[buoyant sandal]

wtf wrong chat, but maybe turn off noise surpress

[rigid raft]

Try buying a better headset HyperX cloud 3 only doesnt work half the time 💪

[sly frost]

Hey guys is there any nifty tricks for dealing with bear forms knock back attack as a cleric i just get punted

[kind osprey]

i love no brain wizards, why buff the class

[jade delta]

cant warlock parry and counter attack like fighter with long sword?

[wary crystal]

yes

[clear marten]

W

[green thunder]

Please take a second to upvote this!

[brittle belfry]

how do i use the trading post? trying to sell some epic adv boots

[tiny epoch]

If you aren't wearing heavy armor and have any move speed at all you can just back up a little and dodge it, bear attack doesn't have that much range

[whole terrace]

Wizard is still completely broken. IM balance team has a Wizard glizzy gobbler.

[grizzled meteor]

It's not bugged IM apparantly just think it's okay for druids to hit 80 DMG to the body with insane attack speed

[orchid agate]

wizards just got nerfed like -40% casting speed and druid just got buff like 300% dmg

[rigid raft]

druid is actually so easy to beat as rogue is crazy

[grizzled meteor]

And built in silence cuz why not

[fluid thunder]

Does panther left click bleed stack?

[night quarry]

There's no limit to what I'd do for a centaur hoof to drop

[ivory cedar]

No it didn’t, it got nerfed 40% if you spec Into a very specific avenue of perks. If you choose not to use said perk it’s still the most broken class in the game with 2 tap splash damage and max cast speed

[subtle heart]

can dispell lich blue or purple circle debuff yes or no?

[timid willow]

no

[terse hull]

cleric is so blessed, i just made like 2k in a 124 normals lobby that i only brought a divine rod into

(killed 3 players and mined 3 copper nodes, and got a lucky epic cloak from a locked chest)

[night quarry]

hell yeah!

[full minnow]

Do you run as fast with torch as you run without weapon? Saw alot of people hitting someone with torch

[timid willow]

Yes

[full minnow]

Thanks

[deft zinc]

in the icy caverns whens the last raft leaves or how long do they take to get another one

[timid willow]

last 2 or 3 minutes

[burnt ginkgo]

the bardiche is still considered an axe right?

[timid willow]

no

[high sapphire]

YEAH IT IS. counts as pole arm and axe unless they reverted it in the recent patch. i havnt seen it yet

[timid willow]

it's not an axe as it doesn't get affected by axe spec

[high sapphire]

they made it both in the patch before this one. it doesnt say it in game tho

[eternal bough]

It is both axe and polearm, it is not visually shown currently.

[burnt ginkgo]

so the axe perks do work with it

[high sapphire]

yup

[timid willow]

ok when did they change that

[high sapphire]

patch before this one i think. just check the patch notes

[oblique steeple]

2-3 min

[wind venture]

I hate this game, why is it that SOMEONE ELSE triggers the mob AND GOES AFTER ME!?!?!? HELLO!?!??

[timid willow]

I stand corrected, idk string programming ig

[high sapphire]

u really think pickpocket is unplayable?

[wind venture]

I swear skills and ability that gives 'immunity' is so bad for the game...

[chrome ocean]

anybody know how much a frostlight oracle robe with magical damage bonus and 2 will is worth?

[oblique steeple]

yes, they hear your footsteps even in stealth, its unplayable

[uneven garden]

It's not unplayable but they made it very hard. I guess devs hate fun.

[uneven garden]

ah yes welcome to Dark and Bug

But for me the most annoying thing in the game are the laggs. Servers lagging so hard since the last 2 patches. And they didnt fixed shit

[high sapphire]

i dont even run creep after the DJ buff i still pickpocket just fine

[flat goblet]

since when does goblin return lost loot for free?

[high sapphire]

dont have to pay to get the gear back?

[flat goblet]

0/0 gold cost
Loot state: Ally's

[vast saffron]

#justiceforsobad

[slate walrus]

i am not ready for high roller just lost my whole kit in like 5 seconds to mobs. also i forgot to bring bolts

[high sapphire]

?

[grave geode]

if ally extracts with your loot it goes back to you for free. was added in hotfix 59 with the random matchamking

[high sapphire]

ah ok

[flat goblet]

i see

[vast saffron]

watch poshypop's most recent vid, it'll make more sense

[high sapphire]

the one from an hour ago? didnt split deathbloom?

[vast saffron]

yes, SoBadStrange got done dirty bro

[lost crypt]

I haven't played in about a month. is there still the 124 gs lobbies?

[orchid agate]

i want to start discussion about what is gonna be nerfed in next patch on druid class. now its totaly bugged 1vs3 can do on any class. catform is broken this is main reason too much dmg too fast attack and too much movement speed + rat form and jumping over doors make it ipossible to catch by othere class even 3vs1. make 35-50% less dmg in cat form and movement speed in all forms need to be nerfed for like 25-40%

[young shuttle]

how has fighter not been nerfed in any of the recent patches?

literally the only counter is wizard

[abstract laurel]

just 2v3’d three barbarians as a duo of rondel fighters, it’s balanced

[slate walrus]

they should add some recovery time on rondel dagger hits and blocks. or something

[vital flicker]

I have no idea why everyone think that movement speed and chasing in this game is "ok ". Its so hilariously unbalanced, boring and stupid that this maybe the main reason I dont play DnD much.

[ruby tendon]

i killed someone, my first kill, yh.

[white vortex]

if you are boss hunting in a party of three does all get the kill, or is it the last one to damage the boss. e.g. Lich

[languid oriole]

If you're in a premade party dealing any damage gives you kill credit

[young shuttle]

lmao

[white edge]

but barbarians don't wear armor

[warped stump]

dynamic inventory character shader?

[marble kettle]

how could we change the MS meta ???

[high sapphire]

yeh thats just fucked up. who deosnt celebrate the W and split the profit wtf

[abstract laurel]

doesn’t matter you just out-dps them and tank damage and heal with second wind

[marble kettle]

tfw you tryna out DPS someone with more health than you

[abstract laurel]

they effectively have less HP cause they don’t have any PDR, the number is bigger sure but they take more damage

I don’t really understand your comment honestly do you play the game

[marble kettle]

you’re fun at parties

[abstract laurel]

lmao what

[vast saffron]

yea id even split it with my homie who barely plays, it'd barely even go to use but its just the principle you had a teammate that helped you even get it in the first place... bad sportsmanship

[marble kettle]

why tf would i be in a discord for a game i don’t play

[abstract laurel]

how many hours tho

[vivid kite]

if you deal any damage and are alive when it dies it counts

[marble kettle]

what relevance does that have in the conversation. geek.

[abstract laurel]

well because if you had more than about 10 then I wouldn’t have to explain what I originally said

[lean nebula]

abuse your bow and sprint and you make barbs look like jokes

[marble kettle]

i didn’t ask for an explanation??? like what

[abstract laurel]

you don’t know that rondel fighter rolls barbarian

[marble kettle]

I said “that feeling when [insert situation here]”

because i have died to said situation as my character

boy i don’t care about a rondel fighter

[abstract laurel]

lol ok

[marble kettle]

W PFP

[high sapphire]

its worth what 7 sk? thats like 100,000 gold why not split it wtf

[thick raven]

can you still jump holy strikes?

[white edge]

remove additional movespeed stats on items would be a start

[high sapphire]

i just dont there should be double ms rolls ya knowq

[marble kettle]

just to pester you atp

why would i even know / care ab this if i don’t play either class and roll rondel fighters as a bear

and yes i know rondel dagger pdr fighter has been dominating the meta recently… to counter your unwarranted assumption

[high sapphire]

i hate rondel fighters its so annoying

[white edge]

doesn't a regular fighter roll barbarians because of plate?

[high cape]

when is wipe

[twilit geyser]

Felling axe barb with decent aim says no

[orchid agate]

druid need to be nerfed cat form is too fast and bugged burst

[violet furnace]

So the game is really fun! You just need to remove HR gear requirement. Balance classes. Remove stash prices, remove gold as an item, and make most items stack more in the stash. Make Rogues use a perk to separate the pick pocket from the landmine POS build with a buff to smoke pot, double jump and maybe caltrops. Make standing on AI's heads easier and not fling you, while making Spiders, bats and other flying type pokemon unable to body block your character. Add more fun mechanics! Remove movement speed's randomized modifications. Maybe add more cool maps like Ruins where you can actually play the outside of the map and the inside is more dangerous. Remove Ranger & Phantomize. Ban all the cheaters.

[high sapphire]

the smoke pot nerf was so dumb. only 3 non rechargeable but fighter can recharge second wind? needs a big buff and same with caltrops. they need to give us more or make them rechargeable

[violet furnace]

Agreed.

[mossy junco]

Anyone still getting constant code: 21s? I can brute force my way through it but sometimes it takes upwards of 30 tries and makes it hard to want to get back and play if I have to do that so often.

[vital flicker]

Half of the game perks and weapons are useless or too weak. Maybe someday they will fix that

[high sapphire]

really makes no sense why they made them non rechargeable. theres way stronger abilities you can get back with a 30 second campfire its crazy to me. when they came out with the nerf i was like ok cool they just removed smoke pot basically

[violet furnace]

It's just outdated and they never cared about Rogue in the first place. Rogue has been getting nothing, but nerfs since ruins and some small buffs/back tracking on bad ideas. That's about it though. I do also not like landmine, but he's got nothing else to do when you really look at his kit. I am glad they made double jump not awful anymore, but you still have a problem with dps Rogues using it more than the meme version of Rogue. Maybe combine more stealthly perks and make them only for the pick pocket subclass or make dps a subclass that prevents the use of smoke pot and other abilities that are a little too strong on dps Rogue.

[violet furnace]

I liked the armor pen buff, but then landmine was never really removed when they made a huge deal about it during the Ruins days.

[timid willow]

They just care about the abudance of content and they'll balance the game after there's enough content which sounds completely stupid.

[high sapphire]

dj with poison has been pretty fun and ive been ambushing people from sneaky spots up high. would like a little buff for poison maybe to make it more viable. i wish it lasted longer so it was a little easier to stack the buff but the same dmg maybe. idk i would like a more of a trickster rogue thats why i liked smoke pot so much. tumble would be cool if u didnt have to build a shit ton of dex to make it really useful

[violet furnace]

I like that build too. I just worry that'll be too good, because I want more DJ places like how Ruins let you go around the whole map basically in the good days. More rooms should have holes above to cross through cause that seems like a really good way to not have to funnel your team to push players.

[vague oracle]

@glad thunder Please fix druid this is dumb

[violet furnace]

Ya I should be forced to play a different class. I don't play every class but bard. Not at all

[high sapphire]

just have to play around safe spots when u have dj. somewhere to scurry up to. smoke is fun cause u can just dissapear and try to make them think u left when ur right next to them in a dark corner lol. i miss it

[flint dune]

amazing, someone who gets rezzed by cleric, that visually stands upright, is 100% invincible the first 1-3 seconds. great to know........ 🤦‍♂️

[slate walrus]

damn stash always full (of junk)

[runic sparrow]

imo the gear score change has made highroller so much worse lmfao- i get they trying to stop rats but dear lord, iv been stuck on the last rank before demi for a week cuase i keep being cucked by other people and iv slowly eaten through 7k gold and a page of kits i prepped for end of the season, needing full blue and a purple weapon then some coloured shit feels like too much when you maybe find a blue thing in commons every second round or two, let alone if its the pice you need but maybe its just me 🤷

[runic sparrow]

sucks having to drop at least 800-1000 gold just to buy a bare minimum kit to get into highroller

[undone zealot]

Hello, we were in the game and a red message appeared that said: The game has been temporarily stopped due to various attacks, and I don't know what else. Has this happened to anyone else?

[runic sparrow]

it was nothing but like i said im dead empty- literally nothign left- over a week iv spent all my 8000 stored gold and my page of purple adn gold kits

a norms match maybe nets me 200-400 gold lol-0 playing 5 norms matches just to get one shot at highroller sucks

its already done :/ iv finished most of the quests besides the inferno boss ones

[sturdy mauve]

anybody else rubber banding insanely more today or is it just me? Just died to pve cause of it

[cobalt echo]

so sorcerer is the next class, right? And after that they'll finally make the monk class right? or have they not decided the next class after sorcerer?

[thorn nimbus]

Bro two stacks of cobalt which is the worst ore net u clean 200 gold
Start learning money farming

[runic sparrow]

damn frfr- am glad i came here lmfao- i needing some better way than running 5 norms matches to scramble together a garbo kit that gets me in- iv barely touched any public market in 90% of games cause i feel like it aint really worth usually until i get the economy of it

[thorn nimbus]

Mine ore in gob mine in norms its usually 800-1k a raid and requires almost no skill or effort tho you should be able to defend yourself if u want it to work well
Also bro if you have maxed traders you can resell blue/purple items at a profit but you have to learn which ones are worth a lot for example all wiz/rogue items
Blue vestments on tailor are like 90 gold they sell for 120-150 with the worst rolls and if u get say max health thats 300-500 gold

[runic sparrow]

tbhj iv been only empty this last 2 days so finally came here, casually game play too so only a hour or three on either

[runic sparrow]

gotcha- i have buttloads of ore already i can sell that looking at the market is about 2-4k if i just list at min price

lmfaooo i said "imo" i love this game and the only bash i has is against meta 1 tap shiz kek, ik its a knowlegde gap thats why i came here and asked if its just me- thank you all for helping me lol

[flint dune]

@runic sparrow are you poor right now then? like zero gold poor?

[runic sparrow]

lol noooo just 30 gold poor XD

@chilly crow womp womp- if you dont wanna answer then dont idc if "you get this question 20 times a day" your the one choosing to respond, if you think helping others is a btoher then dont

[thorn nimbus]

You can also craft copperlight attire if u have copper (u need common attire) and it can give u a tiny bit more profit if u sell the attire instead of ore stacks especially if it has good rolls but its a quest item so even bad rolls are worth like 600 gold (i think its 600)

[runic sparrow]

eyyyyy- as a meme i "collect" orange things so i have like 40 Copper ore lmfao, this is gonna be hella usful thanku!~

[thorn nimbus]

Just chexk if its still worth doing it

[runic sparrow]

fsfs- anything that nets me extra atm worth- i only need 5 more evacs to hit demi (if i dont get cucked by another landmine rouge or barb XD) made most of the progess in a weekend and now just need that last push through

wehn tf did i look dwon on someone? excuse me?? XDD yah maybe i should know more before complaining- but that aint my style chief- still appreciate the helkp- yo uhave a good one too

[vapid arch]

Being poor and grinding to demigod this late into season are both you problems

[runic sparrow]

i was content with being at pathfinder until ryan6daysaweek posted a vid on how to properly farm ap- i made the push and hit the second last rank in like 2 days adn then have beens tuck for a week- tho iv been doing it in crypts not ice area cuase i scukkkk at ice area lmfaooo- not the palce to risk my ap atm for me an i was still netting 1800 a run, had 8000 and then spent it all to try and get past the last rank to demi

LMFAOOO lets goo- boom instant 2k right there from shit i had while chatting, now to do some gobo quests then make a proper kit again

[dense fulcrum]

can someone explain too me how i 3 shot barbs with 180 hp on my panther build but i just went up against a cleric with 120 hp and no divine protection but after 4 shotting him he only lost 40 hp ????

[fiery widget]

suggestion: add a sell all button to the collector and add a "Are you sure?" button aswell after clicking sell

[runic sparrow]

F 🙏

[heavy osprey]

You're 3 shotting barbs with 180 HP and you're crying because you can't do it to every class?

[flint dune]

3 shot barbs, ssssssuuuure

so you are doing 60dmg a hit you say. on limbs or torso if lucky 🤔
you sure you did not accidentally transform into a lion?

[placid narwhal]

Fighter needs nerf. dont know what the devs even think when making this class

[twin juniper]

unistall asap

[wraith quartz]

fighter longsword i heard is strong should get nerf there's also a build with the dagger i saw on youtube saying that should get nerfed

[twin juniper]

ye the dagger is cancer but only in solos

[placid narwhal]

Meh gnna annoy some people with druid now😅

[dense fulcrum]

no i just dont get how that math works

[twin juniper]

ye? thats the thing how can u cry over fighter when bear landmine exists

[heavy osprey]

Maybe just be happy that you're playing a broken class

[dense fulcrum]

with 50 agi and a bunch a phys power and tru dmg yea dude more than 60 dmg actually

[twin juniper]

u lagged or something maybe and hits did 0

[dense fulcrum]

thats what im thinking but wtf thats so dumb

[twin juniper]

projectile invalid type shit like from rust

[haughty void]

Armor why would they add two magic classes before another physic

[twin juniper]

next physic clas prob next year

[upper tiger]

Hello i hef question

I just got a gold coin chest and want to sell it. But i don't have the room for the 30000 gold that it is worth. What would happen if i still sell it and try to claim the hold without having space for it?

[fervent lantern]

nope, no physical classes slated before another magic, next class is another caster, Sorcerer

[twin juniper]

yeah thats why i said next year? they will realse sorcerrer next wipe i belive

[fervent lantern]

why tf would you sell a gold coin chest, use it, thats one of the best drops in the game

[timid willow]

it doesn't let you claim it if you don't have space for it

[upper tiger]

Ok ty

[fervent lantern]

lol a obviously stupid argument, make space and claim

[timid willow]

what argument i answered a question.

[heavy osprey]

If you don't have room for the gold, and it sells, it just won't let you collect the gold until you do have room

[timid willow]

you have 7 days to claim it as well

[fervent lantern]

not an actual argument, i forget that not everyone here uses english as wide span as americans, its a metaphore, meaning, why would you sell it when you can just vendor some shit and claim

[timid willow]

its 30k gold not 1k i mean you need bags or a boat load of pouches for that when the golden key sky rocketed i sold like 26 of em i had to fill all my stashes with pouches on all characters and i also had 30 bags

[fervent lantern]

.............. THE FUCKING THING HOLDS 10K GOLD, jesus christ the dude can clear out 6 fucking spaces for it and move his gold to it and sell the pouches too! jesus fucking christ

[timid willow]

the thing that he ... wants to sell? you want to use it to store the gold he got from selling it? you're kinda missing the point.

[fervent lantern]

is it wipe time already?????

[cosmic swan]

Nop. Wipe is September 6th

[fervent lantern]

that makes more sense then, my mistake, too much WAAAGH in my blood

is that skele vendor going way with wipe as well? thats a pretty sweet mechanic

[vapid arch]

least psuedo intellectual redditor

[fervent lantern]

i dont have a reddit account, too much nonsense and horseshit for me. thanks.

[fluid mason]

Doe the warlock power of sacrifice damage scale with magic power? Whiffed a hit on an enemy and it did more than 3dps

[orchid agate]

lets nerf druid its too broken now

[fervent lantern]

I wish. they just buffed panther, which, didnt need it at all, if anything, druid needs a cool down nerf between transformations, making them unable to quick change immediately. THAT is how you balance, SDF

[woeful oasis]

Sounds like shit balance to me.
Take out the skill expression and fun from the game.

[fervent lantern]

effectively reducing their OPness. @chilly crow and no i have zero hours on druid, i dont play the class, fighter only

[woeful oasis]

They were not op two patches ago 😂

[fervent lantern]

ok young man, take a seat around the wood burning stove, hold my beer, yall aint gonna beleive dis shit. thats all i got

[woeful oasis]

The easiest way to balance Druid is changing the scaling on agility/strength for the forms. When they mess with those Druid is in and out of meta.
Clearly that’s how u balance Druid 😂

[fluid mason]

I mean, druids are a pain in the ass, but I'd say rather than nerf their combat, nerf their escape potential because mouse form is almost uncatchable

[fervent lantern]

i mean, im more for nerfing the class into the fucking dirt, but that works too ig

increase rat hitbox to make hitting easier

[fluid mason]

Not the 1 hit kill that's the issue, it's that you can go through closed doors and are almost impossible to hit for anything other than wizard.
1 of the two is fine, but both makes killing a decent druid almost impossible

[whole terrace]

only tag you have is Druid, pipe down

[fervent lantern]

anyway, back to quietly looting my way to demigod on dead regional servers 😄

[vague oracle]

Druids just broken its so dumb

[twin juniper]

just make 2s cd on shapeshift and its all good

[fluid mason]

Also, what is the best weapon for killing demon bats?

[fervent lantern]

skill

[vague oracle]

@chilly crow Outplay? you got tree blocks vine blocks one shot bear form the ability to go through doors without opening or closing them and the abiulity to just dash across the room by changing for 90 times

[fervent lantern]

that didnt even need it.

[fluid mason]

I'm not saying their OP, I'm saying they need to nerf the fact that in almost any situation, a druid that wants to escape cannot be caught

[twin juniper]

add chicken sound so u cannot landmine in weird spots/ 2s cd shapeshift so u cant fly across the rooms xd

[fluid mason]

Okay, what is the next option while I am still "getting gud" as it were?

[fervent lantern]

This, right here, would be perfect. @fluid mason ok on a real note, honestly it depends on ur class, as a fighter i just block, smack, block, smack with a falch until expired

[vague oracle]

@chilly crow im not sayign you arent good, im sure you are. honestly this druid update feels like when they gave rogue double jump and didnt put caps on ruins

[twin juniper]

and in goblin caves u can go outside the map and fall on players from the roof xd

[icy locust]

Can we plz buff warlock. 3 classes counter him and its low key not fair

[tiny bay]

Hey um. If a guy shoots my friend through the door by slightly peeking his head in through it that is a sign of aimbot right

[fervent lantern]

no no, hes fine where he is. If anything, fighter needs to be buffed to a point where it can contend equally with every other class

[icy locust]

hes not tho only thing hes good is bossing other than that its a bad class. Fighters can kill him easy by using bows, archers can kill him easy and not for get wizards

[twin juniper]

agre buff caster a bit 7 base dmg is literally nothing

[fluid mason]

Lock is fine, just needs a decent counter to long range attacks

I will, but I warn you I'm an ugly crier

[fervent lantern]

lets just agree that SDF will never be able to please all of us, each of us will be bent about something that others wont.

[icy locust]

that would still be consider a buff if he can counter to long range

[vague oracle]

@chilly crow yeah, you know what druid needed since they could only outrun and rat the whole time. the ability to one to two shot you and fly out of nowhere

[twin juniper]

the thing is ur class can buy 50 str set for 1k gold and kill every other just by landmining xd

[fluid mason]

I'd say it's still a buff, but I was thinking more that eldritch shield should block all damage types so there is a reason to actually use it

Also, hydra/life drain definitely should be nerfed, but in that case lifedrain shouldn't lock you in place.

[ebon moth]

Anyone else got this bug?? I just lost my spellweaver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT4aApIItf0

[glad plinth]

Any advices on how to kill longsword's fighter as barbarian felling axe ? I usually manage to hit the first 2 hits with tricks but after that the fighter always block and two taps me with the sword

[twin juniper]

wat druid bear was op even then xD wdym he was even better to landmine with rat form

[icy locust]

warlock does the least amount of damage rn compare to all classes.

[random shore]

Is anyone capable of carrying through wyvern? i need it for a quest, i would appreciate any takers

[fluid mason]

As a lock main, you're correct, but the point is to be an endurance fighter with your curses

[icy locust]

its not worth it at that point. everyone can catch up to you like its nothing cruses needs have more range then

[twin juniper]

the only counter is missle wizard with bis gear if u dont get oneshoted somehow xd

[fluid mason]

Try hellwalker to lock down doors

[icy locust]

a vigor barb and dex would still kill me like that theres nothing to do besides hope for the best with a long sword and see if he messes up

[brazen gate]

ah yes the counter to druid is missiles wizard 💀 why is anyone even replying to this guy

[fluid mason]

Curse an enemy or use hellwalker before giving them a ghost hug

[twin juniper]

ye bro u get landmine by bear which class can survive xD

[brazen gate]

everyone with a brain that's why no one played druid in high tier lobbies ever since panther got hard nerfed ~2 months ago

[fervent lantern]

good

[brazen gate]

bear is good, very evry good in a few specific situations, but it's also not good in a very large majority of situations when facing good players
Relying on an inconsistent win-condition is bad

(This was before the recent movement buff to bear, I don't know how it is right now but I think it maybe be a bit too strong as it directly buffed one of its weaknesses)

[twin juniper]

u guys prob NA low elo server try eu vs kazareen 😉

[spare elbow]

Game will never be balanced unless they get rid of solo and duo queue, or completely eliminate class uniqueness.

[fluid mason]

Or make everything equally broken

[twin juniper]

noone meanwhile kazareen playing bear druid for 3 months stomping eu trios lol!!!

[ebon moth]

Yo honest question do you think ironmace can take my legendary status and give me my money back? Fuck this game shithole

[spare elbow]

Dota 2 balance theory

[abstract laurel]

Rondel fighters rise up

[river jetty]

Nah i think you need a job 😴

[brazen gate]

yes hes the only oddball around and he dies way more than the real top tier teams lol

[fluid mason]

Anyone know a game like dark and darker gameplay wise but singleplayer? Then the devs can focus fun over balance

[spare elbow]

Did you do the free trial?

[ebon moth]

i think i already have one but bugs like these make my skin boil like i grinded for that shit for so long and i lose it due to that crap

[rotund pawn]

Skyrim

[river jetty]

Damn no way and next week is wipe so all your hand earned progress is lost 😭 go play rust for a wipe, you'll commit soduku after a week of playing and waking up to a raided base

[fluid mason]

Now that you mention it, you're right

[spare elbow]

Bugs like what? Lol.

[ebon moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT4aApIItf0

[spare elbow]

I dont wanna watch your clip im sorry lol

[plucky arrow]

yeah nah man, i love the filling teams function, but the blatant team killing needs to stop, its not even skill issue moments, just straight up run up to your teammate and headshot with a bardiche or something, carrying around the soulheart and trolling the whole time basically just trapping people for no reason...

[whole terrace]

I swear to god, there is literally no reason to go above 124 lobbies. The gameplay just drops drastically, the better loot people have.

[tight dove]

why

[ebon moth]

so in short i lagged out and i could see mummies attacking me from 10 miles away as i slowly lost my hp

[fluid mason]

That is bullshit, you're right.

[tight dove]

i mean longbows obviously ruin the game but why does the gameplay drop

[ebon moth]

yeah thanks for the non toxic answear

[plucky arrow]

please tell me where i mentioned gear my dear boy

[fluid mason]

I'm just playing the game to have fun, man. This class balance stuff matters only because some players dedicate themselves to ruining the game for others

[ebon moth]

True true but after today im going back to single player games im done getting mad over this crap

[whole terrace]

There is no fun in this game.

[lean canopy]

CAN THE GAME BE TRANSFERED TO STEAM FROM IRONMACE?

[warm tendon]

Have never seen anyone talk about that, so far I've only seen people migrate from Blacksmith to Steam.

[lean canopy]

OK FROM BLACKSMITH YES, HOW DO I TRANSFER

[plucky arrow]

Do you leave the lobby when you are having the guy tell you that they will resurrect you and they are 1 module away from the shrine?
Cause normally you'd get revived in 1 minute and the next you're back in the game. But when someone trolls, you wait a bit because they might be newer players, watch them struggle to get to the shrine, advance very slowly and after minutes of this they just dont resurrect and ignore people.

[whole terrace]

disgusting freak

[warm tendon]

The darkanddarker.com website might have instructions.

Edit: looked around on their FAQ and found this: https://darkanddarker.com/support/search/29533467485332

[subtle heart]

how do you message people ingame?

[warm tendon]

Whisper player /w <character_name> <message>

Reply to player /r <message>

[ivory cedar]

#JUSTICE4SoBad

[high sapphire]

if i had any skull keys id prob give him one lmao. that was fucked up

[ivory cedar]

im trying to organise something hwere the community comes together and hooks him up

[lean canopy]

cant play this game.. Keep crashing when i try connecting

[ancient delta]

what team comp is best witch ranger duo?

[high sapphire]

how can i contribute without getting scammed lmao. im broke i cant take the risk

[warm tendon]

A strong front liner. Barb, fighter, maybe cleric or druid.

[ivory cedar]

we'll mention your good intentions!

[ancient delta]

thx

[lean canopy]

Does transferring account make you lose your whole progress?

[warm tendon]

Have a look at this FAQ post: https://darkanddarker.com/support/search/29533467485332

[rotund pawn]

Skyrim is a great game although never played with mods and seems like it’d be crazy fun

[fluid mason]

My issue is that I've played it so much it all feels the same

[rotund pawn]

True I can’t think of another game but there’s gotta be some more also you ever try mods? They really can change the game and make it feel new I’ve seen some crazy mods for that game

[fluid mason]

Played with mods for a while, but even then, I want more to explore and I can never get the really big mods to work

[rotund pawn]

Ah damn that’s too bad

[limpid wedge]

what is defensive stance?

[ivory cedar]

blocking

[weary widget]

why tf is grave essence shooting up in price

[full zephyr]

Wai whats the best class for ap farming?

[swift ether]

Whatever your most comfortably play

[trim musk]

if you want the solo experience, bard and barb are really good for it

[full zephyr]

Okay thanks xd

[echo void]

bro ap farming is hell rn

[zinc mortar]

Do you guys think they'll ever implement a way to just, accept all quests on a new character?
And if that exists already, could someone please share it with me my fingers are getting mighty sore

[tiny bay]

If only you knew
In the main menu near the change class button there is a quest tab, it has an accept all button

[zinc mortar]

Please, I am in agony

[tiny bay]

How are you not getting the 1 minute message timer btw. Literally 1984

[vague quest]

Anybody know why Nvidia shadow play doesnt work? and how to fix it?

[fair marsh]

noob

[vague quest]

?

[fair marsh]

?

[trim musk]

I've tried a ton of stuff, shadowplay has just been real buttcheeks for me the past few months and that also involves dark and darker barely working

[vague quest]

How am i a noob for my shadowplay not working, kindly, explain

[fair marsh]

?

[echo void]

is there a cheeky way to get into HR without putting on good gear? is there a trick to like stack some items in inventory to boose gear score?

[tribal loom]

don't green/blue potions add to gear score?

[fair marsh]

Buy cheap blue weapons

[echo void]

kk, i'll give that a try, I ask because I saw some people with basic grey gear so I figured they were cheesing it somehow

[rigid patio]

any mention of a ping system being added? I feel like it would help a lot with the new matchmaking a lot of people don't have voice in my games.

[echo void]

oh nice a stack of green invis pots add like 30 gear score

[swift wadi]

Is there a way to mute whispers from randoms?

[thorn nimbus]

Perish filthy creature

[jovial mesa]

are lobbies still not filling? since new mm i had lobbies with 1-2 people

[warm tendon]

Queue early on, don't wait for the last minute. This will give you a greater chance of being in full lobbies.

[tribal loom]

This is good advice. I didn't realize it.

[full minnow]

When on demon pact should i use weapon or bare hands?

[swift wadi]

How do you mute whispers from randoms in game?

[tribal loom]

in discord?

[swift wadi]

Ah I found it, apparently I had it set to whispers from everyone was allowed.

[manic latch]

Is a recording needed to report teamers?

[buoyant rapids]

some purple weapons are only 80 gold each

[hushed moss]

Hello, today I'm receiving abnormal detection and its kicking me from my games. This wasn't happening last night. Does anyone know what the cause for this is or if anyone knows how to fix it? reinstalling the game right now.

[cosmic swan]

No but it's better and increase the chance that he get ban

[signal cape]

Cheapest way I've found is blue pavises. They cost ~80gp each and give 60 gear score. Just cram a couple in your bag.

[swift pebble]

remove druids rat form so it isnt immortal to most classes anymore

[worn nova]

"immortal" lol

[remote loom]

how do i un freeze cyclops

[daring urchin]

when is wipe?

[remote loom]

its just frozen and i cant fight it

[swift pebble]

it goes rat form through a door window and then you cant kill it anymore because its gone

[toxic gulch]

what other form of damage in this game has splash damage other than fireball?

[worn nova]

ok? that does not mean immortal. you can still throw a lantern or an explosive bottle at them for practically an instakill, or beat it with a torch

[swift pebble]

yes it is in practice immortal because only 2 classes will ever kill it if it runs away

[worn nova]

bro i just told you how to kill it on any class for like 20 gold and 2 inventory slots. it's a skill issue

[swift pebble]

can it not just chicken panther jump and then rat form

[worn nova]

can you not just kill it?

[swift pebble]

no because it can go through closed doors

[vague quest]

thats called a "skill issue" bubs

[worn nova]

skill issue

[vapid arch]

6th September

[daring urchin]

so why is the leaderboard time different?

[vapid arch]

Leaderboard ends before wipe date, there's usually a week or two after it closes then wipe happens

[hexed chasm]

Who had the stupid idea that red or slightly red marked players can't report other teamkillers?
What's the point of having something as medieval as being a pariah in DnD? Pretty nonsense in a game in my opinion.
Coz the game doesn't differentiate between whether you had to kill a teammate in self-defense or not.

[worn nova]

bro that game has a loot return mechanic on teamkill

teamkilling "in self-defense" is still not a reason

[toxic gulch]

theyre really quiet after that one

[woeful sequoia]

What the hell is the state of druid supposed to be right now !?!?!

Devs trying to stop ratting people, meanwhile druid just walk around looting and running away as a rat the moment they lose 1hp

[toxic gulch]

the devs just love to contradict themselves it seems. i read apparently there is an issue that bear is missing half of its hitbox? is that true do you know?

[exotic flax]

I think the removal of druids insta shift would fix a lot

[woeful sequoia]

Yup

[toxic gulch]

i was just telling my buddy the same thing, i don't think its also fair they can switch between them an infinite amount of times

[ashen agate]

how long do potions of luck last for?

[bright ridge]

traps, fireballs, any aoe, lucky goblin, etc. rats are built to die to 1 hit of anything. how are rats any different to rogues that smoke bomb and run when they get hit?

[bright ridge]

as a druid main I kinda agree. give them a short cd or charges that regen when resting. no campfire needed

[lean canopy]

how do you launch this game in dx11 on steam

[sharp inlet]

dexterity rings are good at warlock? or not

[scarlet hawk]

if i get a race in classes can i use it in another classes

[deft sonnet]

Hear lantern equip: human form or panther form, done.

Part of druids strength is that they can switch on a seconds notice, by the time they hear someone equip a torch, or oil lantern, or really any throwable, stow their weapon, etc. They can react accordingly and easily

[torn roost]

Technical question for folks who are better with code and stuff than me, in the Task manager will dark and darker always show up as "Dark and Darker" or will it sometimes show with different names?

[deft sonnet]

If a druid isnt swapping like an adhd crack fiend in combat theyre just not a great druid, maybe theyre a good druid, not a great one

[elfin rock]

still, thats a skill issue on either the druid or the one fighting them, there will always be counters and in many cases counters to those counters, druid seems fine. I would argue there are worse outliers if you look at the leaderboards and see mainly 3 classes... (where druid isnt one of them)

[deft sonnet]

Yeah, druid is...pretty poor in combat

If somebody doesnt have a way to prevent or punish their escape, they can be invincible if they dont make a dumb mistake.

Druids scaling heals helps a lot, their panther form is a poor chasedown atm

The few classes that get limited or poor ranged options suffer the most gainst druid, and well, all classes get options at ranged.

I played druid enough to not make the stupid mistake of fighting another druid, and to not make the stupid mistake of hard-sticking rat form to escape, its easier to just use rat exclusively for door hops.

If the area enables me to rat tech people through obstacles, it becomes an almost instsnt game of cat and mouse, where the mouse just stabs the cat every few seconds

[toxic gulch]

i player fighter, and i think that needing a campfire to get my heal back other than just resting is kinda wack, meanwhile wizards can regain all their spells by just resting

[deft sonnet]

Potion and bandage
If you mean second wind, second wind is a quick way to recover health and is pretty strong in its current form

Most classes require a campfire 9 times out of 10 to recover their important spells

Such as healing.

[dusk grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[toxic gulch]

i guess i can see it that way, i just think the time it takes to set campfire. sit and rest while it resets, gives u no time for third parties or back to back fights. i think it would be cooler for it to be 2 second winds per campfire, or just 1 but with simple resting

[hexed chasm]

Nevertheless, a stupid and unfair karma mechanic. Teamkilling should always be punishable, no matter who is the victim.

[worn nova]

"stupid and unfair karma mechanic"
"Teamkilling should always be punishable, no matter who is the victim"
?????

[deft sonnet]

I mean, if you got that fucked up in the first fight, you werent really preparing to be thirs partied in the fight, campfire or not

[worn nova]

you are literally speaking against and for this karma mechanic at the same time

[toxic gulch]

yeah thats true, makes sense

[exotic flax]

The problem is that if druid plays half decent there is no possible way to catch them and no counterplay, they are allowed to infinitely poke and prod at players forever with no consequence

If a player tries to engage vs the druid at all they are wasting their time and if they don't the druid is a permanent annoying little fly

People say "explosive bottle" but that makes a distinct audio cue when pulled out, allowing the druid to just shift into bear, break the door and easily tank the fire, turn back into rat and keep running

[wicked fable]

does anybody know if action speed reloads the windlass crossbow faster?

[worn nova]

it does on any crossbow

[wicked fable]

thanks

[novel jackal]

I tag with a friend, in duo, but when we are supposed to join the game, a bug happens and he goes alone in the dungeon. The game send me back to char select

Anybody had this bug too ?

[still token]

99% of the time yeah, I have seen it called DungeonCrawler a couple times though

[lean canopy]

fucked game, ABNORMAL BEHAVIOR DETECTED and pakchunk800 error messages constantly.. or it just exits to desktop

[exotic flax]

Actually- one potential druid change is to remove insta shifting completely and instead just make the forms have a different shift speed- bear and rat having the longest times to shift into (because insta shift with them is the most bs, also removing rat door jump) and have panther/chicken be practically unchanged

[round mica]

Do you guys in here agree that matchmaking in HR should always autofill teammates? I am just getting back into this game after a break, and I would always play as a solo but would always queue into duos & trios. I would do this largely because the amount of loot that groups leave behind and how quickly they clear rooms allowed me to stay hidden. I saw they specifically wanted to get rid of this playstyle and am curious if people actually like this change. I don't see how running around picking up scraps and fighting PvE was problematic for other people?

[oblique steeple]

thats why u do it pre-thursdays

[surreal vale]

what does punish team killer do ?

[bright ridge]

make it an option. if I'm just going for some quick gold, I don't need 2 dips that are gonna expose my location

[hard rock]

What does this mean

[round mica]

yeah, i am really hesitant to queue up to try to get my rank higher since i have 0 interest in playing with others but my rank is stuck in duos/trios

it seems like they're really worried about matchmaking being quick and always putting you with players when i would argue that just letting people play the game however the fuck they want might be better long term

[bright ridge]

anti virus is probably crashing the game

[lean canopy]

I thought it was antivirus, but it's not. I turned it off and it still persists. I originally thought it would be antivirus bcs when they last put out the hotfix after the last patch - the antivirus said I was installing a trojan horse hahaha and quarantined the file. I restored it and made it an exception

[bright ridge]

what anti virus are you using?

[native isle]

should i play fighter with a barb and druid or should i be a different class

[eternal bough]

Yea knowing what antivirus you are using would be good to know, I personally have not encountered any issues with Norton

[bright ridge]

the fact you still have nortan is an issue

[hard rock]

Maybe abnormal behavior is detected?

[torn roost]

Nortan more a virus than antivirus

[eternal bough]

Probably forward this to a bug ticket in #report-a-bug because this seems pretty weird

[round mica]

nortan is the trojan horse

[bright ridge]

Nortan has a bug where it detects it's own scanner as malware, which it will terminate over and over while scanning

[eager olive]

It's problematic for the people that actually go into the dungeons as teams to.. well, teamfight - each rat in the lobby takes up a spot that could have been filled by a member of a full trio. It means the dungeons basically feel "dead" to them. And that's assuming the rats aren't actively acting as vultures to steal stuff off of corpses they didn't create while a fight might still be going on between two proper teams. Anyone who felt so inclined could also actively troll teams by building little zoo trains of mobs just to mess with the geared players.

[round mica]

hold up. is it not worse how it is now as far as this goes? due to people being forced onto the same team when i bet a LOT of people feel how i do, could they not just walk away from their teammates and refuse to communicate? (so the same thing still happens + one or two angry "teammates")

[lean canopy]

I have Avira Antivirus . I have turned it off though and made it as an exception. I reported it as a bug already, along with another bug we encountered.. I sometimes get the pakchunk800.pak error. Aditionally, I will say that I am running no beackground programs, I have reinstalled the game multiple times on different harddrives after completely clean uninstalls, and I have also transferred my game to Steam from Blacksmith. Actually I just got the pakchunk800 message right now as I am writing this hahahaha, I got a picture of it. I was just sitting in lobby, trading. After I installed it last on steam, it would finish the installation, I would press play, then it would say Update. It would Update it and then run an integrity check, after which it always failed. I persisted, and tried to update it like 10 times, after which it finally let me turn the game, and I played two runs normally no crashes, and then it started again..

[warped carbon]

Did they add back 124 lobbies?

[hard sierra]

Yes

[bright ridge]

bandit players are a problem themselves, squeezing the best gear they can manage, exactly 124 gear score, etc, just to kill the players just trying to have fun.

[hard rock]

Hmm I reckon it's the abnormal behavior that's affecting your game

[lean canopy]

I have tried to scan and repair a million times, it usually worked first try and I would get into a game, but it still crashed.. then some other times(more recently) it kept failing the repair and told me to contact support, which I did, and it takes ages. I tried all the FAQ fixes too

[eager olive]

if it stops you from going into duos/trios as a solo in HR, that's the intended effect. Whether you think that's a bad thing or not (I think it's actively good) is a matter of opinion that isn't relevant to what the outcome was.

[round mica]

??? the change they made isn't relevant to the outcome?

[bright ridge]

high roller isn't an exception. you have players who ignore the pve of hr just to kill looters. IMO there should be a dedicated arena map for pvp only players

[jovial mesa]

what are the gear score brackets?

[idle estuary]

how yall getting named weapons ???

[lean canopy]

I do guarantee you, that I am behaving absolutely normally, but there obviously is something wrong with the files bcs this is happening since last hotfix, 2 days ago..

[eager olive]

no, your opinion of it isn't really relevant. The change was done specifically to reduce the number of rats in high roller. It appears to be effective in doing so.

[round mica]

I'm saying the exact opposite, it doesn't stop rats it just presents the rats with teammates who they can walk away from and ruin the experience of. Also in the sense you meant it, your opinion isn't relevant either my guy. way to be kind.

The idea that a solo being autofilled into a lobby that's already not going to fill up to full somehow creates a MORE dead lobby is wild to me as well.

[hard rock]

Did you check the files

[round mica]

The problem seems to be more with a playstyle that only one class can even do. Druids are problematic in the sense you're talking about. They also do this in groups and can still do the same thing in HR lobbies right now unless I'm missing something.

[grand shadow]

Rogues can do that playstyle and that’s what those players were playing before Druid was better at it

[eager olive]

I don't think "stopping" was the goal - only reducing. Some people will always rat/troll and whatever. The more unpleasant or time-consuming trying to do it is, the less likely they are to do it. There's a benefit to bundling the rats together into a single team - they take up less "real estate" in terms of spawns. When that "real estate" is taken up by individual rats, teams to be spawned further apart from each other than would otherwise be the case. Them being spawned together also makes them interfere with each other's farm. And sorry, my tone's not the friendliest - it's late where I am and I'm a bit tired!

[round mica]

the idea that the only people who played solo in duos/trios are rats/trolls is also wild to me... therein lies my major issue with this change. I don't see how walking around blasting music and literally being a loot pinata for whoever finds me first is problematic to the state of the game

[lean canopy]

Yes i tried to verify them

[eager olive]

sure, if the lobby wasn't going to get filled anyway. They've mostly been getting filled in my experience lately, and dead ones are pretty rare now. But one's mileage may vary depending on server.

[round mica]

yee i play on US west oregon most of the time and experience much different issue than rats, i experienced a LOT of dead lobbies in high roller (i am exemplar in duos) filled with rogues and chinese players and had to wait the entire time for lobby to start more often than not

[hard rock]

What did it say when you tried to verify

[grand shadow]

I wish they never introduced solo/duo, the game just went downhill from there

[eager olive]

Which is it? Are you "walking around blasting music" or would you "do this largely because the amount of loot that groups leave behind and how quickly they clear rooms allowed you to stay hidden"

[round mica]

it is both things. if you happen to hear a bard from two rooms away and run at me i try to run away. unless you look really poor on gear i try to 1v2 or god forbid the 1v3. i also disagree about the spawn locations leading to more interaction with more groups - you have the same chances to spawn anywhere and thus even less chance to run into other groups unless you search for them. i specifically played how i did because the player density is so much less that i would more often than not be able to avoid players while walking around blasting buffs the entire match.

fights in group HR are centered around red stairs, hot rooms like the broken bridge / center room, or forced by people spawn hunting.

also i only play on forgotten castle my bad should have mentioned - this is actually one of my main gripes here. i can no longer play the map i would prefer to 2/3rds of the time and don't care to wait 4 minutes every time i want to queue for solo. this is the other major reason i even got into playing as a solo in duo/trio in the first place.

[tulip swift]

does anyone else feel druid is weak in low gear settings? ive been playing it for the last 3 or so days straight and I cant buy enough damage to any class. even just now im typing this because i hit a wizard twice with bear slam and they killed me with half hp left

[eager olive]

Eh the spawn logic isn't purely random. It tries to make each spawn somewhat equally spaced from all the other ones. If there's more spawns (because some are taken up by singles instead of duos/trios) the groups have a higher chance of ending up being spawned further away from other groups. And, if slots are taken up by multiple solos, well, there's just fewer teams to begin with. Solos lobbies will of course end up with more player density than duos or trios for any given area - because there's more spawns being taken up. Either way, I was mostly just trying to answer your question as to "how is it bad for the full teams to have solos in their lobbies". And the main point (which I explained poorly, sorry) - that he main motivation for ironmace was to specifically reduce the number of people ratting in general with the change. It wasn't really about improving the experience for the full teams, but for actively making the experience worse for the rats.

[round mica]

I totally see where you're coming from and my main point is that I think this change makes it worse for everyone in most cases, yes including the rats, but it just seems like the wrong way to solve an issue that truly does stem from one playstyle on one class

maybe two classes including rogue in there too actually. lol

[eager olive]

Free selection of dungeons is something I hope will come back some day.. The rotation is a compromise solution, really, with the reality that player numbers aren't in the 100s of thousands. Full free selection right now would certainly lead to many more empty lobbies.

[lean canopy]

that it failed and that i should contact support or cancel. then i kept trying until it let me in

[round mica]

I believe this caters to group playstyles and completely throws everybody else aside. It may have a decent effect for the people who want big teamfights, but completely tosses out the idea that not everybody wants that.

[eager olive]

I'd really say there's 3 "primary" offenders:

1. Rogues being rogues. Back in the day they were the worst offenders, and they are the reason smokepot is on limited charges now.
2. Druids. Because they can literally be rats.
3. Warlocks just cheesing modules and bosses with very little danger, while also being incredibly annoying to both chase down and have hovering around you if you don't chase them down.

Rangers and fighters could absolutely go and rat if they really wanted to, too, though.

[grim kite]

imagine when they fix druid shapeshifting

[round mica]

Agree that warlocks are part of the list for sure but they can do the same thing in normal lobbies still where other classes have to actually fight the bosses

[eager olive]

The counter to that argument is that solos queues already exist. If you aren't interested in teamfights and want to play as a solo.. just go and play in the solos lobbies. Solos being in duos/trios lobbies is explicitly something ironmace want gone in high roller.

[grim kite]

right now you cant shapeshift half the time

[round mica]

this still completely ignores that not everybody plays this game to PvP and attempts to solidify HR as a place you only go in groups to PvP. I disagree with this idea completely

[eager olive]

(I actually suspect ironmace PARTICULARY want to get rid of the rat warlocks in high rollers - gear inflation is absurd at the moment with how easy it is to boss as a ratty warlock.)

[round mica]

the warlocks might be the worst offender I am glad you brought that up. I personally believe this is more of an issue with the actual kit that warlocks have and how bosses can be SO easily avoided by warlock cheese.

[eager olive]

Sure, ironmace have zero control over what individual people prefer, and what they like to do. They do have control over what their vision for the game is, and them taking steps to make things harder for playstyles they don't want to see is.. well, to be expected.

[bright ridge]

the game needs a healthy mix of adventurers, bandits, and looters. pve, pvp, and stealth.

[young shuttle]

is every attack from normal mobs parryable?

[round mica]

100% agree. I don't see many games that go out of their way to remove playstyles that the creators didn't initially intend (except for league of legends) and still have some success. As a game creator you have to understand that not everything will work as you initially intended - and this is NOT a problem but is an advantage to be capitalized upon, not crushed into the dirt. Oh, people enjoy playing the game like this? Cool, let's see how we can make this better for everyone - not WORSE for everyone.

[shy lichen]

barbs in normals are eating my ass, how do i stop my ass from being ate? any tips would be great.

[round mica]

ask them to stop 💀

[vapid arch]

switch to druid, they'll leave you alone

[shy lichen]

24 lobby barbs feel op or is it just me?

[round mica]

superdrag it depends on your class for sure. a lot of classes just have to run from barb in a 1v1 to kite / disengage. if they get close enough they can run a lot of people down

[tulip swift]

that hasnt happened when i play druid everyone apes me and no amount of bear slams or panther bites save me

[grim kite]

get w keyed

[eager olive]

I disagree that it makes it worse for everyone. Already explained how I think it does help the people looking to PvP in teams... In what's supposed to be the primary geared team PvP game mode.
Ironmace have actually been flexible about changing things even though it contrasts with their vision based on player feedback. They originally said there would never be solos, or duos modes in the game. That has obviously changed. They said they'd like it for there to never be anything like a gear score system. That's obviously changed. They've said they want to never nerf their most precious golden boy ranger and.. uhm yeah golden boy is still cancer.

[livid saffron]

what is good light weight armor for a wizard?

[light aurora]

When wipe?

[sudden bronze]

Boss Healthbar when?

[turbid pine]

mystic vestments
only -3 ms

[livid saffron]

thank you "'

[eager olive]

Lately it appears to be nothing but a pair of Lightfoot boots, a magic hat and some rawhide glives

[turbid pine]

no chest piece at all is certainly an option in whites/greys
but if you even have a green with a good roll it stops being worth it

[round mica]

I totally agree with what Thawk said earlier, "the game needs a healthy mix of adventurers, bandits, and looters. pve, pvp, and stealth." only one of those things is PVP. I may have exaggerated saying for EVERYBODY. I would still argue this makes the experience harder to approach and worse for most people - specifically anybody who isn't trying to group PvP.

If you are familiar with the idea of a loot goblin in videogames (usually NPC's that run around with some good ass loot) would you say that they are bad or problematic? I see my playstyle like a player loot goblin. I am not trolling, I am not ratting loot from PvP. If you happen to find me, I die most of the time. There are others who just want to better loot from HR, and there are others who want to practice fighting the harder mobs, practice HR bossing, get more ore, and so on. While I understand that lobbies feeling "dead" for groups can be a legitimate problem, I disagree that disallowing these people from entering solves the problem. I just don't think this is the correct solution. I genuinely think Arena is the best solution for people who crave the PVP, and can't wrap my head around why they would even want to force a playstyle through the matchmaking options.

[livid saffron]

any pants?

[round mica]

loose trousers are bomb

[turbid pine]

loose trousers are only -2 ms with 2 agi, making them effectively a net +0 ms. Free armor rating with no ms penalty!
(assuming agi below 15)

[livid saffron]

huge from you thanks, i noticed lkeather leggings -4ms but +4 will so could also try them if it keeps me iun the green over all for ms

[eager olive]

Your complaint would be valid if you literally had no choice. But you do. You can go and play in a solos only queue, and so can everyone else trying to do the legitimate things you describe. By your own admission you preferred to do it in duos/trios because it was simply easier and more lucrative to do.

[round mica]

leather leggings / chausses are the best 2nd option for sure

[livid saffron]

yeah also cheaper, anything with out agility seems to be much cheaper on trade lol

[round mica]

The other part of my argument is that this playstyle does NOT detract from the majority of people's experience in duos/trios, only the people who are playing the game simply to hunt PvP. This is the style being catered to - when they NEED an arena mode for these thirsty ass players instead of hurting all other playstyles.

[grim kite]

the sounds of steps and mobs are really bad, like if you slightly step out of line of sight it sounds like youre in the next room over. Has it always been like that?

[faint ibex]

how do i parry with longsword when someone crouch attacks me

[round mica]

depends on the weapon and alldat

[tepid falcon]

is pimo hacking?

[tulip swift]

would making lobbies the tiniest bit bigger to allow for more loot goblin players to play not fix the issue? like i can see value in playing both because it adds variety. and if one of those players arent good enough at staying unseen then a team gets free loot

[round mica]

I'm totally for more players on the map. Hell yeah. I think that would be really fun personally. This seems like a great solution IMO. I don't think of the playstyle as innately bad or trolling and hope to see more goblins!

[wispy surge]

Ah love I went away from this game and came back to see rangers are still cowards.

[round mica]

AND it would even out how it feels for player density meaning I would have less reason to specifically go into duos/trios meaning it would get rid of my ratters(solo) advantage while also increasing the PvP for those thirsty.

I play the same way in solos but really just want to be able to queue into Forgotten castle in HR on ANY of the queues.

[high sapphire]

i cant let you get close

[umbral blaze]

They have to be cowards, from the way you talk you’re likely a cleric or barb, maybe plate fighter

[wispy surge]

Says the rogue player.

[eager olive]

but it absolutely does detract from the experience of the players for whom the duos/trios modes are actually designed and intended for. Imagine you and your team fought and killed an enemy team with a fulgor, a cinder and a deathbloom only to discover that a solo rogue with a cheapo resourcefulness kit just went and looted your hard-earned kills while you were busy.. you know, actually playing the game. The problem used to be absolutely endemic to the point where a team could load in to a lobby with literally every single other player being a solo rogue. It's not as bad now, after the many changes to help combat this, but it IS still there. There's also the aspect of the fact that high roller is supposed to be high risk, high reward. Allowing loopholes that make it easier for people to very safely farm actively detracts from this.

Arena will be an absolute flop. If you think the geared teams that want to play for PVP will migrate en masse to arena when it's launched then you don't really understand what motivates those players to play in the first place. The way you're phrasing what you're saying gives off the impression that you actually actively want the trios teams out of your dungeons so that you can loot even more safely than you do already.

[umbral blaze]

Says the cleric player who can judgement, heal and has much more damage in general than the rogue class that with nerfs got stomped into unplayability, if you complain about rangers you’re just bad

[wispy surge]

Sorry, but when your playstyle as a ranger ends up wearing almost nothing stuffing you pockets full of arrows and just spamming away Thats a problem.

[clear blade]

Question. how do you clear(delete) your inventory of trash/poor equipment from squire? Do you just manually sell it to a vendor despite being 0 gold worth?

[umbral blaze]

I mean when you have to deal with people who have full plate or 200 hp i think you’d want to kit them, its even worse since fighters can do a rangers job but better, w keying isnt gonna let you get every win, tho if they’re just sitting in the portal room of goblin caves i can understand you’re pain

[eager olive]

Yep. If you're not intending to use squire kit at all for a while, you can just deselect all of the gear off him in the prep screen so you're just naked on respawn.

[wispy surge]

It wasn't even kiting it was shoot, run away, shoot, run away while being damn near naked. Mind you fresh spawn cleric kit having to deal with that. If that is the ranger play style now. I feel sorry for them.

[rotund pawn]

You expect them to just let you get close and fight melee where they are significantly weaker than you? Sounds like you just want easy fights instead of actually thinking of a way to be them you just let them kite you until you die that’s at least what it sounds like to me

[umbral blaze]

If you think thats bad you should meet the modern day fighter with either rondel or bow

[rotund pawn]

That’s kiting lmao shoot run shoot run that’s just one a skill issue sorry and two cleric is weak to a ranger since you don’t have range you got countered it happens

[wispy surge]

It wasn't even a fight they just stood at the end of a tunnel. Any movement toward them even to fake I'd chase them was meet with bare hands up run away.

[round mica]

I would point out that I literally just said in my following response that more players in the map would be a great solution. I don't need the advantage, I just noticed it was there. I noticed that YES, ANY solo in duos / trios has a stealth advantage. This is not a bad thing as you seem to think it is. This is a part of the game that many OTHER people probably enjoy(ed). I specifically said that the people who are problematic in PvP are rogues and druids before.
I genuinely understand this sucks, & it can still happen. Yes, I agree that putting in ways to reduce this is a good idea! I would also argue similarly to Warlock before - this is MORE a problem with the classes kits. This is not a problem with solo/duo coming in to trio lobbies. Rogues and Druids had it FAR too easy sneaking in and stealing from fights. This is obviously lame as fuck, but I would even argue that even that is a completely valid way to play the game - GIVEN the developers accept that players want to do this and balance the classes accordingly. They are not balanced for this, and now the game is being pushed in groups to have a MUCH larger focus on PvP. This idea that people playing the game how they want to is "trolling" your lobby or is somehow problematic otherwise is completely lost on me.

[rotund pawn]

Yea that’s kiting and he is fighting lol he’s just playing to his strengths and your weaknesses he’s not gonna play to your strengths because that puts him at a disadvantage seems like he controlled the fight and you played along

[umbral blaze]

True, don’t let them lead you down a hallway or into a big room and your fine, atleast try to dodge

[eager olive]

I mean.. always has been. Unless (I won't say until, because that won't happen) they disallow people from shooting, reloading or spellcasting while bunnyhopping, or add significant sway to aim on the move (or something along those lines) this will always be the case because running away and spamming stuff in the vague direction of the enemy will be the optimal playstyle for anyone with the toolset to do it.

[rotund pawn]

Facts as a plate fighter yea sometimes rangers are annoying but I’m not playing into their advantage lol just gotta use your brain and not just W key lol some people don’t get that

[wispy surge]

Brother. When I say this man would run. And this wasn't kiting it was full panic run though mobs close the doors kind of shit. I mean yes I would dodge and not just W key, but I could have chased this guy forever until the timer for the dungeon ran out and know I'd never catch him since haha I'm naked with a bow you can't catch me.

[round mica]

sounds like chasing him got you killed

[umbral blaze]

Had a ranger wipe out a whole lobby and nearly kill me, smart man, sadly when a desperate rogue who didn’t bring hide fights you, dont chase him

[rotund pawn]

Then don’t chase him lmao let him run away why do you insist on fighting a ranger when you have no range why not try and do something that might let you close the gap

[umbral blaze]

Thats called kiting, you close the door to get stuff ready like reloading or drinking, others do it to get some distance from large sources of damage like clerics

[round mica]

I'd definitely recommend just waiting close behind a door or close behind a wall in a short hallway and making them come to you, running after a ranger is a death sentence a lot of the time

[rotund pawn]

Yea that is just kiting you lol if you’re chasing him throughout all that he kited you so hard and you played right into it

[faint cipher]

this game needs potion debuffs and to completely remove doors before it will ever receive any sort of balance. too many people in chat are discussing "door strategy" like its some sort of enjoyable game mechanic.

[umbral blaze]

Of course a cleric says this, might as well take heal spells out of the equation too

[faint cipher]

I don't even have a cleric leveled, if thats the default char select then direct your anger elsewhere

[round mica]

if most people enjoy the way doors work and there is strategy to it, i am confused about the issue here

[umbral blaze]

Closing doors is needed for some classes to even have a chance in chases, like rogues need to reload and shit

[subtle heart]

The issue is that children love complaining about everything they don’t like. Wahhhhh

[wispy surge]

I did break chase more then enough for anyone to realize i'm not being chased anymore. Just to have to pop him into the other room or just turn around, Like how to counter someone who will just turn around shoot and run while I'm trying to leave the fight. So I just let this dude get free damage?

[eager olive]

solos coming into trios lobbies is a necessary condition for anyone looking to be a scavenger or a troll in trios lobbies to be able to do that in the first place. Maybe you legitimately think you being in those lobbies doesn't detract from anyone else's experience because you're not there with the intent of ruining anyone else's game. Hey, maybe you're even right and that having loot pinatas around actually is somehow good for those lobbies. That doesn't mean that others enter those lobbies with those same intentions. I'll also remind you once again. Making your experience actively worse when doing this was the stated and explicit intention. I'm sure many of the rogues of old with their naked smokepot builds in high rollers found that playstyle to be extremely enjoyable for them. I'm sure many people who found duplication bugs and abused them to print whatever items they found found it extremely enjoyable. Just because there's some people that find something really enjoyable doesn't mean that the developer needs to cater to it.

[umbral blaze]

Yes, just leave, don’t deal with that

[wispy surge]

I did try to leave, but naked movement speed wouldn't let me get away.

[umbral blaze]

Close doors on him, if he tries to push stand at door, watch out from him trying to shoot through it

[faint cipher]

"You're X character dude, just use doors."

[umbral blaze]

Every character uses doors, besides barbs with crush, it a game mechanic thats needed, otherwise some classes like rogues for example will just be fucked and no im not talking about landmine rogues

[buoyant rapids]

wym druid ultimate rogue with the rat jump

[round mica]

I was trying to say, over and over, that the only people this detracts from are the ones quite literally bloodthirsty. The people crying that they don't find anyone when they're running literal full gold - but they immediately kill any people without some legendaries of their own. These seem to be the people complaining about rats. We're all rats to them. These are the people who this is a problem for. the top of the top. Literally the best players in the game are being catered to and legitimate playstyles are thrown under the bus because the way other people play isn't the same as them. If them being upset is what got these changes, then I'm gonna be upset about it too! Bro free the pinatas!

[eager olive]

It's tough for a cleric in that situation tbh since you do basically have no real counterplay other than to leave. The only winning move, as the others have been saying, if you see a ranger that you didn't surprise in a corner is to just not begin playing in the first place. Because otherwise what you just said will happen 9 times out of 10 if they are not basically a day 1 timmy.

Yes, it sucks. Yes, it's annoying. But it is unlikely to change any time soon, so you just gotta adapt to it.

[wispy surge]

I get that. I think it just comes to down I'm coming back to the game and that was just the rust rage.

[round mica]

rage is totally valid 🤣 feels fuckin bad sometimes

[eager olive]

I completely share your frustration, don't worry. I think everyone else gets it too, they're just trying to help you with the advice.

[umbral blaze]

This game tries to act like rock, paper and scissors with classes but fails horribly, tho cleric is exceptionally good against anything not at range, needs some type of range, maybe a good throwable

[eager olive]

aw man, ever entered a room and been hit by a smited up warmaul with the divine damage slow perk straight out of invis?

[wispy surge]

The only real range I have as a cleric are channeled cast spells that don't go ever far.

[round mica]

I think this game is so specific and individual in playstyle from other PvP games that I've seen and played that it still needs time to develop. There's not a whole lot of strategy in how a lot of people fight sometimes

[umbral blaze]

Yes, it was not fun

[round mica]

bro had rock, paper, and scissors

[umbral blaze]

The devs suck at their jobs, instead of using statistics they cater to the community, one example is fighter, its good at everything and does a rangers and rogues job better, yet the devs have yet to revert the change they made to the class that made it so much more better

[eager olive]

And again.. I would see your point, but you don't actually need to be in their lobbies. If this was back in the playtests when the only queue available was trios, and you were not allowed to play solos at all? I'd be entirely on your side. But that's not the situation today.
I'll also reiterate that the whole point of high roller (as stated by the devs) is that it's supposed to be high-risk/high-reward. Even if one had no detriment at all for anyone else by being in the trios lobies as a solo, that would still be counter to what the intention behind high roller is supposed to be, because you've effectively found a way to make it easier for yourself to have a lot of reward, at little actual risk.

[round mica]

I JUST WANT TO PLAY ON THE FUCKIN CASTLE 😭

[eager olive]

That I can absolutely understand. Hopefully the game keeps growing enough to the point where free selection of queues will become a true reality without ruining lobby sizes.

[cosmic swan]

For now I don't think that's possible. But the actual system could be improved. Have a look at this suggestions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/576260/improvement-to-the-new-matchmaking-system-and-map-rotation

And upvote if you like the idea

[buoyant rapids]

growth on this game O.o' i think its the same 500 people trying to make it survive rn my guy

[round mica]

it IS still high risk, high reward. i understand that they didn't want any advantage for solos in that kind of situation - but ths completely ignored that the risk is MUCH MUCH HIGHER! like dude it is a fucking tradeoff. I don't personally know ANY other solo players who preferred going into duo or trio other than myself. @eager olive

i did see a lot of groups of naked** druids and many other solo rogues in my lobbies. i know rogues would farm that shit like mad.

[unreal viper]

balance of the bear is fucked

[eager olive]

Solomon literally released a series of "how to solo rat in HR for maximum profit videos" and actively advocated going into trios because it's easier xD. I do think that the changes they have made over the past few patches don't actually do much to enforce the "risk" angle at all though - being more likely to die isn't really "risk" if you're not going to lose anything of value with a death. The minimum GS requirements etc. are easily circumvented by buying the cheapest blues and purples you can find on the market.

[round mica]

I see the devs struggling with nerfing things where the real fun balance is often times MORE options rather than less.

[round mica]

I totally see how for literal rats, druid and rogues looking to loot pvp, this was a problem. the solution HAS to lie in the character kits themselves. the rest is nonsense