game-discussion

[cedar ledge]

tell him to stop being a shitty person

[zealous chasm]

Sailing, takes me a way to where I always...Sail away! - Christopher Cross - Sailing

[vapid arch]

i dont think there's any rules against teamkilling yet or maybe the devs just aren't as outspoken against it compared to pre teaming or hacking
regardless its still a bad thing to do for obvious reasons

[paper quiver]

I enjoy mining ore in goblin caves, not killing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cedar ledge]

dwarf roleplay 💪

now mine your friends head

[cold spire]

rock and stone!

[zealous chasm]

Useless Crystal!

[paper quiver]

Maybe that's because it's actually possible to accidentally kill a teammate. Rock and stone brothers

[cold spire]

looks like poop smells like poop

[zealous chasm]

But...my team mate has juicy loot...and his back is turned to me...what else is a back stabbing Rogue supposed to do? It's our nature!!

[hollow sentinel]

high roller need 300 line

[chilly kettle]

can u get keys from mini bosses or is it only bosses

[quiet ginkgo]

Indeed it's a bannable offense.

So it's not in the spirit of the game at all.

Intentional teamkill can even lead to perma ban.

Have a good day 🙂

[spark plank]

Oh i love that after some break of dnd i come back to play some and i see druid who is bugged as hell like walking through the walls not bars... walls XD and he is so idk how to even name this abomination.. useless? Bear form is just a mistake you cant dodge, every hit land on you, you are not such tanky and his dmg is so weak. Only two transformations that make sense are panther and rat but hitting around 25 dmg vs 47 with basic weapon? what the hell is wrong with that new character classes. I expect enjoy the game, have fun and not sweating af to make something with this class. Fell little like ironmace doesnt know how to make spellcasters in their game

[plain stag]

I want a red name

[plain stag]

You really think it isn't in the spirit of the game? Surprising, considering what this game is.

[quiet ginkgo]

Go watch videos! Druid Spell casting is actually insanely good in team fights. His movement is also insane, as for bear form I agree there is room for improvement, But Bear form allowed me to keep up with barb for a while.

I think you forgot this game is still in development, and your complaints are probably revealing a skill issue, I would suggest asking a knight for help.

[quiet ginkgo]

It indeed is not, this game is a "Extraction shooter."

And I got someone banned for teamkilling me intentionally.

So no It indeed is not in the spirit of the game. 🙂

[tranquil pivot]

Druid kit is great I want more spells tho

[astral wasp]

Do we know when will the new quests added? Is it every Thursday/Friday?

[spark plank]

man... this argument is invalid and i tell you why cause that someone sweat so hard and do something with that class it doesnt seem that calss is good or fun i watch some and they just looks like adhd on steroids to do something with druid. put the wall? jump over it with jump+ctr, Tree minion? one hit and die, panther form? oh hell yeah hitting around 25-30 dmg when your basic can do 45 :v. Not a skill issue but a class suppose to be a good balance between enjoyable and nice to play and when you just a mastermind of this class.So that someone can make this character playable spending 1000 H in game doesnt mean the character is good

[crystal scarab]

Yeah they shadow patched/unlocked them in around like 10pm est last Thursday

[spark plank]

and yeah its in development but spellcaster feels weird with their mechanics and other stuff

[heady furnace]

Hey did they change the drop rate of troll pelts? I remember wipe 1 it was like 40 kills for one??

Me and my group have gotten like 5 in the last 9 kills
is it just way more common now, or was this incredible luck

[quiet ginkgo]

It's to play around Spell casting and transforms, I understand the ADHD on roids. But even without try hard it's a fast paced class.

And I really enjoy it, win pvp battles Hr and normals in PvP. I don't win them all, but I win enough.

So idk what to say, perhaps the Druid doesn't fit your playstyle.

[rose moss]

I have an entire stash filled with rings+necklaces, how should I prioritize selling them as a new player?

[dense sun]

Has anyone been able to go to the old crypts yet? Because In around 60 runs I haven't gotten the tile set with old crypts yet

[sly lagoon]

werid quetion. can i get the "need a guide" pop up to go away?

[timber pumice]

Yo why is the lockpick window gone in .2s i blink and its gone

[dense sun]

Just see if anyone else is selling what you have on the market. And if it has a decent price send it

[sly lagoon]

@timber pumice It's just stupid fast

[timber pumice]

how do i predict so fast, do i have just have to get good?

[sly lagoon]

it will be more intuitive as you do it more. its just one of those things

[fluid island]

Just started this game, are there any really important tips I should know like quests to prioritise or anything?

[sly lagoon]

@fluid island learn what play style you like. find out how you can stack stats to make that style work better.

as far as tips for the game play loop. just figure out the atk patterns of the AI an the layout of the maps

[spark plank]

And what means in bear form "right click deal strenght 200 * (1.0)" whats are this numbers. The " * " is for multiplaying or what? On panther you have simmilar thing "agility (or whatever) 5 + (1.0)" how you can undestand this weirdo numbers?

[fluid island]

Thanks

[glossy barn]

Have they got rid of solo mode yet?

Games in a great place but a consolidation of the playerbase and a return to Dark and Darker is just what we need.

Also bring back the BR circle so we can actually find people to fight in dungeon

[sly lagoon]

@fluid island oh, and heals are cheep. buy a stack or two before going into a dungeon

[fluid island]

Alr

[zealous chasm]

New game mode coming...Last Man Standing...Escapes don't appear until there is only one player left.

[spark plank]

not the battleroyal again

[zealous chasm]

loot drops are enhanced!

[kind shale]

No. Br circle was bad. This is a pvpve and should be treated as such. It's not a pvp only game. If you want pvp only you can hunt for it but there is no reason others need to be forced to fight you for your enjoyment. If they want pvp they'll find you and you'll find them. If not oh well. Games in its best state now. I find fights every game. The only reason people don't find fights is because they don't know where to look. Stop going all over the map and go to high traffic areas.

[sonic plover]

im currently spectating a well geared warlock, full purples in normals, not realize that I already took the exit that he continuously keeps trying to take lol. Absolutely hilarious

[prisma ether]

I love this game but I keep losing pvp to spell casters as fighter or barbarian can someone tell me how to hit them, they just perma naked and run away faster than I can swing / catch them

[stray steeple]

if you start playing highroller before it offically starts do your points reset or are they kept

[sonic plover]

Dont chase them. Make them come to you

[prisma ether]

So i should just avoid these fights unless they come to me?

[sly lagoon]

How do i get rid of the "Need a guide?"

[glossy barn]

Hop off your pretentious pedestal lol

If it’s a pvepvp game then their should be PvP

I shouldnt have to clear the entire map with my squad and still not be able to find anyone.

The BR circle added direction and pressure to an otherwise PVE experience.

And this game as a PVE only experience is fucking boring, no mater what solo players ratting to demigod will tell you

[kind shale]

A lot of classes in the game have a few ways to be played. Barbarian basically has two forms: complete tank and a surprise ganker. The ability to break down doors can help you jump people. Fighter is the same. If you run a Slayer/Dual Wield combo fighter and prioritize speed and hp you can get on people quick with Sprint and absolutely decimate them

[surreal vale]

Was the ability to auto refill item bars removed?

[prisma ether]

Thanks for the advice

[kind shale]

Then either way for the Arena, get better at finding people, or go play PVP specific games like Mordhau or Chivalry. But there is absolutely no reason for a BR ring in a non BR game besides to force a game into PvP. Developers have literally came to that easy conclusion

[lunar fox]

i wish this game had game modes that didn't have pvp at all

[kind shale]

Who knows. With Arena being already confirmed as a PvP only maybe we will get a PvE only aspect too. Just have to wait and see

[surreal vale]

Then go find and secure a group exit and hold it down against other teams

[kind shale]

Fr the fact he said "search the whole map" was the main issue. You don't need to search the whole map. People who will be the funnest pvp experience will gravitate towards stuff like Lift Room in Goblin Caves, High loot areas in Crypt, and typically wolves or boats in Ice Cavern. Every game I play I get pvp. I never understood the argument of not finding people.

[glossy barn]

No one comes lol, everyone is off ratting in their own safe spaces

Removal of Ruins and now the BR circle, has made the game wicked boring

Our cleric was falling asleep last night after a 2 hour session where we only came across one other squad

[surreal vale]

Sounds like a normals below 25 gs problem

[kind shale]

Yeah the Steam players are new and are going to be timid. Most of the time I find a rat he just accepts he's going to die and I get a free kill but not much else

[cerulean crypt]

PvP is virtually voluntary at this point.

[surreal vale]

^?

[kind shale]

Exactly the point. The fun fights you will get into and the non fun fights where people are avoiding combat are most likely not going to be good anyway. They'll be a cakewalk or the person will give up cuz they caught

[quaint hull]

guys what would happen if someone bought every single legendary item on the market and then sold them at higher prices than they bought them for

[spare elbow]

Dont forget to use your ears. I find people within 5 min every match just listening thru doorways in rooms im clearing

[upbeat yew]

Portals always pop up, right? - yes they do; just saw one pop up at sub 2 minutes

[cerulean crypt]

I don't agree. Good players will avoid PvP and bad ones will seek it out. I don't think there's a direct link between skill and whether or not you want to PvP.

[kind shale]

Called market manipulation and it happens when people get more money. My buddy bought every troll pelt he could find at the start of the wipe and the made coin bags with what he wanted and sold the rest for almost 2x - 3x profit

[quaint hull]

omg can i try then 😄

And would ironmonger ban me for it?

[cerulean crypt]

Since arena mode is coming I don't really mind how much they've shifted the focus to PvE in the main dungeons. I'll probably just swap entirely to arena once it comes out. In the mean time the game feels a little boring though.

[kind shale]

Yeah true but there is a direct correlation between skill earned through frequent combat and youll get frequent combat by doing frequent combat, typically on purpose. Being good at the game can come naturally, but knowing distancing and environmental advantages in a fight only comes with experience

[trail blaze]

DaD arenas sound insanely fun ngl

[quaint hull]

I think it will allow for an esports scene in dark and darker, maybe then the game can grow a lot?

[cerulean crypt]

Strong doubt.

[kind shale]

Right? Kinda hope we get some gladiatorial level PvE stuff too. Might help new people learn PvE monster move sets. Especially not having to die over and over trying to learn miniboses and bosses.

[quaint hull]

Maybe the game is not viable as an esport because it’s too slow/not fun to watch though

[glossy barn]

Nope, HR and uncommon normals. NA East if that matters

[cerulean crypt]

Dark and Darker's combat systems are incredibly simplistic they don't really yield an interesting or engaging competitive scene. It may have a very small niche scene but it'll never have a real esports presence. An example of a similar scene I'd give would be Elden Ring PvP.

[kind shale]

Probably won't be any more or less esports than Arena for Escape from Tarkov was. Just gives a place for the people who wants non stop PVP with no other distractions

[trail blaze]

How are there not tavern testing grounds where i can chat with other adventurers and test gear sets without bringing them into a game and risking it.

[spare elbow]

The combat is not in depth or balanced enough either. The game is more about making smart choices than being skilled

[glossy barn]

Exactly. It’s simple. Thats why the games needs both PVP and PVE to be enjoyable.

Right now it’s more heavily skewed to PVE and is lame

[cerulean crypt]

Well, no. I can enjoy a simple PvP game for the PvP.

[glossy barn]

What’s another simple PvP game you can enjoy strictly for PVP? for reference?

[cerulean crypt]

Dead by Daylight, SCP:SL

[kind shale]

Arcade PvPs are great yeah. It's why the Arena mode will probably appeal better to you and people upset that the BR circle will never come back and force people that don't want to pvp into PvP like the developers have stated.

[cerulean crypt]

Dark and Darker is simple which means it won't be a competitive esport but it also means it's a lot of fun without having to put a lot of time into learning it. Not being viable as a competitive esport isn't necessarily a bad thing. I doubt I'd want Dark and Darker to try and become more complex.

If I ever feel like engaging in a something like that I'll reinstall Mordhau

[kind shale]

Yeah I mean even if they made it much more complicated like Mordhau was it doesn't mean it'd be successful as it is now. Lmao I was literally just typing that

[cerulean crypt]

Yeah I think it'd hurt the success of the game honestly. Games like Mordhau are not ever going to have a large audience because they cater to a very small group of players that want something like that.

[kind shale]

Which is another reason I and Ironmace as a whole don't like the BR circle. It turns an otherwise looter extract game into a PvP forced BR

[cerulean crypt]

Mhm. I can't argue removing the BR circle has been a great success for the game. It clearly makes it much more approachable for new and casual players. Perhaps even more fun for a lot of older players.

[kind shale]

Tbh I died more to circle being the random sack of garbage it was than I ever had fun fights because of it. It turned into loot as fast as you can not for good stuff but out of need for speed, and then run to the middle of the circle so you have advantage over people that spawned further away from it. Then you play the defense game and if they don't kill you fast enough, they lose automatically.

[cerulean crypt]

I enjoyed the BR circle personally. And not having it has made the game less fun for me.

[empty zealot]

Tbh. It feels like arenas will ruin the game. The fun part is navigating the dungeon and being tactical.

[real tundra]

No circle has been one of my favorite changes to the game. Several of my friends are also back playing because of how good it feels to play without

[kind shale]

Some people like it. It turns the game into a forced pvp and people that play just to kill people sometimes won't even loot and just play off the fact that whoever makes it into the circle has the clear advantage. You don't even have to fight good necessarily, just pull stuff that gains you time. I got SO many people killed in BR storms because I made it into circle first and Hydra'd every door they tried to take to get into the zone

[serene mesa]

Why don't you just go find a battle royale game? There are plenty of them out there

[cerulean crypt]

Try reading a few of the posts I made here in like the last few minutes if you want to know what I think and the points I'm making.

[kind shale]

Won't even start to mention how many traps I put on zone doors as Ranger.

[cerulean crypt]

Yeah forced PvP is something I enjoy because, well, I want to do PvP. It's my favourite part of the game. A lot of people don't like that though, I know I'm in the minority.

[clever relic]

chat this game is free rn! is it worth a try?!?!?

[cerulean crypt]

Tactics may still exist in arena mode when it releases. We're not exactly sure how it's going to work yet afterall.

[kind shale]

I love pvp too but I also like getting money to get better gear in the future for more pvp. The constant supply of win/win for me is nice. I get out with money without a fight? Got money -> +Fun
Got into a fight with a guy and either win or die?
PvP'd -> fun

[clever relic]

chat i lowkey wanna try this game out but rogue class looks dog shit ... maybe i try it when its fixed

[kind shale]

Rogue is pretty weak right now because he was the biggest loser of the BR ring removal. He can no longer choke point the edge of the ring and get guaranteed backstabs and jumps because people HAVE to walk passed him. Also the numerous nerfs due to his constant ganking hurt him bad lmaoo

[cerulean crypt]

You can be successful with Rogue. It's one of the weaker classes but as a new player honestly your success isn't going to be determined by what class you play anyway. So may as well give it a go.

[rare oracle]

clear rooms and push points of interest, if you cant find almost every team in the map before they leave its a skill issue, and i say that not as an attack but just a fact

[lean osprey]

anyone know when the new quests will come out

[cerulean crypt]

Probably Friday

[kind shale]

That's what I was trying to say. Yes the game isnt GUARANTEED pvp but it doesn't mean it's non existent. I go to the points of interest because I know people want the stuff from it and I get kills or killed about 8/10 games

[sacred iron]

any tips for general team composition in 3s

[velvet shard]

Arrows, melee, buffs/heals

[kind shale]

I typically try to keep a mix of 3 of either tank/melee/ranged/support of some kind. Cleric is a good one because he can support and tank. The rest are pretty flexible

[cerulean crypt]

Always have a Cleric. Do buffball or ranged.

[kind shale]

I personally have been really enjoying having a speed Slayer Fighter that also backs with Crossbow as another party member right now. It's a very strong combo and a good team mate if you find him good support from either Cleric or Bard

[cerulean crypt]

Or honestly just play whatever you want. The meta can be kinda stale so it's fun to just do whatever.

[kind shale]

Warlock is a nice jack of all trades but he doesn't really do anything better than any other class. Curses can be pretty busted but ranged attacks outside of his spell ranges absolutely shred him

[vapid arch]

warlock's entire thing is winning battles of attrition, he's no jack of all trades

[cerulean crypt]

He has good melee and good range. In that sense he is a Jack of All Trades.

[kind shale]

Id say he kind of is except for support. He has ranged DPS. He has good melee DPS. Platelock can tank and he self heals. That's basically all trades imo. Although I do agree with the attrition thing too.

[cerulean crypt]

Platelock is kind-of a meme

[kind shale]

Yeah but he can still do it. Especially because he can use a shield and has Phantomize. Worst case scenario you soak damage while your team does damage and then Phantomize and dip leaving your teammates to take what is left

[vapid arch]

that's a mentally unwell way of looking at it but ok

[serene mesa]

yeah platelock can tank at the cost of being the slowest guy in the lobby lol

[cerulean crypt]

lol what

[royal hill]

What is the use of Silver Ingot as of now (crafted from silver coins)? Or is the use not yet implemented?

[lean dagger]

pretty sure most people enjoyed the circle than not bc it created alot of pvp without knowing the whole map or points of interest, pvp was more balanced bc you could not always choose the place to fight or just easilly run away game got more boring for newer players who dont want to invest to much hours at the beginning and prob just quit again

[kind shale]

Silver weapons. They do extra damage to undead doods.

[zealous fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769660497992745001/1252999830490316941/image.png?ex=66744287&is=6672f107&hm=f0bf6d9736ca6be1b048ca3b14ff6da50aadda3476d318e8de42f79d1032b6c0& Has anyone ever seen this? This shit literally happens to me like 5-7 times a day

[sacred iron]

whats buffball

[royal hill]

Huh, where do i craft them into weapons? I swear i saw none

[vapid arch]

merely having access to range and melee doesn't make a class a jack of all trades as every class has access to range and melee, the only class that has bad range is cleric/druid and no class has bad melee
there's far more that goes into this game than simply melee and range

[cerulean crypt]

Barb or Fighter as Frontline with two Supports backing it up. Supports taken are usually Cleric/Bard/Wizard

[kind shale]

Listen I don't think anyone ever asked an Abrams to be in formula 1

[cerulean crypt]

I didn't say they have 'access' to melee and range I said they have good melee and good range. Plenty of classes lack good melee and plenty of classes lack good range.

[vapid arch]

no class lacks good melee, its just situational
barb can negate its lack of range by bringing 50 fransiscas which then makes it have a strong range option
fighter was a jack of all trades but was also better than average at everything, however with the change in balancing the new jack of trades is bard, except it also has the same problem where its just really good at everything instead of just average

[kind shale]

Jack of All Trades is also followed by Master of None. There are planety of classes that are "Master of One, but no Jack of All" Ranger wouldn't be my pick for melee, Barbarian wouldn't be my pick for Ranged, Rogue wouldn't be my pick for Tank

[cerulean crypt]

'No class lacks good melee' I look forward to your melee Ranger compilation video

[kind shale]

Hey the spear does... Damage

[cerulean crypt]

Druid, Cleric and Barbarian lack good ranged combat ability. Rogue, Ranger and Wizard lack good melee combat ability.

[kind shale]

If you ever play a class and find yourself asking "Man I wish this class had _______" then it isn't a Jack of All Trades. The only thing I find myself wanting with Warlock is something to support my team mates that DOESNT kill them. I mean he has a few but that damage can sometimes get my Slayer Fighter buddy folded

[vapid arch]

if you're comparing melee simply by who wins when two classes walk at each other and hold m1 and seeing who doesn't die then yes ranger is bad, but unfortunately some people use their brains to fight
ranger's melee is strong not because its simply good but because it revolves around rangers other capabilities

[mint forum]

is there a channel for suggesting new game features ?

[cerulean crypt]

"Ranger's melee is strong because they do 90% of their damage with their bow and then maybe finish someone off with a bonk when they get close."

[kind shale]

But then you're creating situational aspects. If you only win in "only if" situations then it isn't gonna be a good pick for that specific role. The best at a role is the class that can perform the best in the most situations where you need that role

[vapid arch]

"i put words into peoples mouths and create strawmans in my head to win arguments on the internet"
@bruh.jpg4048 every fight is situational

[cerulean crypt]

Being good at melee and range is incredibly important sometimes. Like in solos it's insanely important to avoid unwinnable match-ups. Cleric can just straight-up have no chance at winning if an opponent is too fast for them in solos.

[kind shale]

Exactly. So if you have a class that only does good at SOME situations then and have another class that's better at MORE situations then I'm gonna gravitate towards the class that is better at MORE situations

[cerulean crypt]

Ranger struggles a lot in solos because of their weak melee. They can't move around freely because if they get jumped it's over for them. They have to try and hold down a limited area.

[empty zealot]

You do the eldritch shield + power of sacrfice?

[cerulean crypt]

There also aren't very many classes good at both melee and ranged. Fighter, Bard and Warlock are the only classes that fit that description. They also happen to be the best solo classes for a reason.

[kind shale]

I have to constantly avoid dead ends when I play Ranger because ik if I get pushed back into them I can't retreat to reload and if I have to switch to melee I will get absolutely folded. That means that strikes off a situation where I am useful. Same with Barbarian. Open rooms are a death sentence and it's why so many Rangers gravitated toward Ruins when it was out and also more or less why Ruins was removed. It put melee characters in situations where they were a lot less viable than if you just chose a ranger

[drifting ingot]

cant rangers just flee and kite a lot of classes?

[cerulean crypt]

If they have the space to do so yes.

[kind shale]

Yeah they can and typically they do it the best. But the point he's trying to make is there is no class that is bad at melee. Ranger does the opposite of what a melee/tank would do because they are good at it

[clever relic]

sorry for late response but its not about winning its more that gameplay looks shit, i might just play a kiting class instead

[solar plover]

just saw a guy running around as a dark gray skeleton, how do you get that skin?

[cerulean crypt]

Rogue is a kiting class.

[kind shale]

It was first seasons reward

[empty zealot]

Sucks not being able to get the black skele

[clever relic]

yes so is wizard but the gameplay doesnt look bad tbh

[cerulean crypt]

You got it as a ranked reward for High Roller season 1. Cannot currently be obtained.

[kind shale]

Wizard is a nice support but imo it is probably the worst to play alone he doesn't have much to prevent him from dying if you get on him. You can really use haste and try to kite but in terms of defense and melee it's pretty bad

[clever relic]

wht about warlock then?

[kind shale]

Warlock is decent but you gotta look into a build that you like. You can play him however but because he's such a jack of all trades you can easily get lost in not knowing exactly what you want from him and spreading yourself too thin.

[cerulean crypt]

Yeah Wizard is strong too. Go with whichever you prefer.

[fervent relic]

is it worth buying the $30 premium upgrade? and do u guys think the game will die sometime soon and i will waste my cash?

[clever relic]

ok ok ill try warlock out then

[kind shale]

Yeah Wizard hits like a truck. Magic missile can slump fast and he has some of the scariest spells in the roster

[empty zealot]

Not likely. Steam release just exploded.

[cerulean crypt]

Game has been going strong for a year. Dubt it's dying any time soon.

[clever relic]

maybe when rogue gets more movement abilities i will try him out

[kind shale]

Honestly play what you think looks fun. All classes are viable in their own ways and as you play a class you'll find where you fit quick. You also can party up with Randoms. A lot of the people I play with to date I've met in the gathering hall. They can help you fill the weaknesses you find in your class

[digital magnet]

If it's worth it is totally subjective (I say it is worth) and game has "died" but always comes back at the start of a new season. And with steam and epic it's unlikely we will ever see the low 5k total pop for a long time

[cursive niche]

Guys you know what the game reallly needs?! A button to sort the stash xD

[clever relic]

i have a friend and ill try to get him to play this game with me. idk if u can duo tho and if so we will look into a nice duo combo

[kind shale]

This and the ability to see your quests in game

[digital magnet]

Quest log that we can use when in the dungeon. They gave us a quest log but only out of dungeon... Xd sort stash would be nice too but quest log is what I want more than anything atp

[fervent relic]

u can even trio

[solid ledge]

Here's to hoping Druids get that nerf they deserve

[kind shale]

Yeah duos are a thing. Imo it's the best way to play. A lot of the time Trios turns into a gank fest and typically I find 2v3 harder than 1v2

[crystal quest]

Do the stats on instruments affect you even if you dont hold them?

[echo sparrow]

no

[clever relic]

np np

[digital magnet]

Eh really depends if you play like a rat you can usually ambush a trio that's rushing your spawn and punish them for trying to spawn rush you.

[kind shale]

You do damage to team mates and body blocking can be a huge issue. Trios typically turns into a brawl in the heat of the moment with a lot of accidental team damage.

[digital magnet]

Ehhh I wouldn't say a lot. It happens sure. But if you play enough with the same people you will learn to play with eachother and it'll feel pretty cohesive. Especially with the right team composition

[kind shale]

I'm talking in the terms of a new player. Typically they won't have positioning down and it's easy to jump a guy who's off by himself with your whole team and then it turns into a 2v3. Shit sometimes I even get caught by surprise while mining and then my team is at a 2v3. It's a skill issue for sure, but it's not so much of a feeling of "I fucked my team over" as if I died in duos because I typically always do find a 1v2 easier than 2/3. In the end I do accept it's a personal opinion of mine though. I wanted to convey that as clear as I could lol

It also stresses me out as a bard sometimes because that means my spells have to hit two people instead of just walking toward one 😂 meaning I have to keep an eye on two people while also the enemy and my pea brain don't brr that good

[agile terrace]

Quest system is legit the biggest trash ever implemented into Dark and Darker. For anyone that wants to play more than one single class that is.

[cerulean crypt]

I like quests

[kind shale]

I like having goals in extract games, even if the quests are annoying. I will admit dumping all the turn in stuff I find into my shared stash to just expedite the bs does help them.

[lean dagger]

it wont die lol

[brazen mason]

Quests are easier than ever, and we have shared loot now

[agile terrace]

It still disencourages playing multiple classes and encourages playing one thing and never swapping. Sucks ass.

[kind shale]

I just wish the interactive map people made would say the names of rooms

[echo sparrow]

i like quests on my other characters. its easy gold/xp/items.

[kind shale]

True. For someone who plays Cleric as my second class, the 6 cobalt ore quest being at the start of EVERY character gives me easy access to multiple rare Templar sets

[agile terrace]

You mean less Gold than actually farming Gold, XP that is useless and items that you would get faster by actually playing for items rather than doing quests?

[echo sparrow]

if its faster ignoring them why is it a problem?

[viscid snow]

you can also not do quests big dog

[old sundial]

when will they add more quest?

[agile terrace]

Ah yes great idea and have merchant services and squire upgrades locked away. Ty.

[kind shale]

Quests only really unlock crafting, which you only need on one character and can switch any crafting material through the shared stash to that character

[viscid snow]

just buy gear

[agile terrace]

Just dont lock Merchant Services and Squire behind Quests.

[pulsar vapor]

This may blow your mind, but when you KNOW you're going to be plying mutiple characters... Just save the extra quest items you find for them in the shared stash.

[viscid snow]

you dont need to craft items on multiple characters

[kind shale]

So you're mad that you have to work for an advantage and just aren't given it right away?

[echo sparrow]

my favorite thing to do is complete some quests in 1 run. 5 mages/2 spiders/2 centipedes? 1 run lets go

[agile terrace]

Thank you for that 500 IQ info. I am sure those items are going to do things like kill 15 mummies in Goblin Caves!

@kind shale i am mad at braindamaged design of being given an advantage for never swapping character classes, disencouraging using new characters.

[viscid snow]

you dont have to play sub 25 norms

[pulsar vapor]

You can do that in 2-3 raids while completing other quests or making gold tho?

[echo sparrow]

me sprint thru modules to hit all the mummy spawns 🏃🏽‍♂️

[agile terrace]

One quest on one character needing a multitude of runs of unnatural gameplay. How about not spending hours upon hours needing to catch up to stuff you already unlocked?

[molten meadow]

why do we always have the same layer on crypt ? weird

[echo sparrow]

ttheres only 2 right now, and they are similar

[latent briar]

Bro yesterday i got same goblin cave spawn 6 times

[brazen grove]

i agree locking grey equiptment and some basic merchant services behind LOCKED quest is kinda stupid. 2 weeks into the wipe nobody cares about the squire anymore. Also i think that account wide quest would be much better, because right now you can easily abuse certain quests to farm gold ( gold coin bag) so they can up the rewards and maybe make the quests bigger.

[pulsar vapor]

You literally don't need to do them on second character tho? you have a shared stash.... So every advantage you get from quests can be used on new characters via that. On your second character you could also just not force progression and just chill- let it happen as it happens.

[kind shale]

His big thing is how much he values the Squire

[deft zealot]

Guys, 1 question, there is only like 4 quests per merchant and that's it? Or do they refresh"

[brazen grove]

every friday are new ones unlocked after a fresh wipe

[pulsar vapor]

Right? It's not THAT big of an advantage... I can get a full setup of trash greens in the first 3 minutes of a dugeon giving me literally 3-4 times the stats I had with squire gear.

[formal moon]

They drip feed

[agile terrace]

Except you need to get to the exact point of unlocking all wanted services even just for that. If you want to swap character BEFORE all is unlocked you still gotta re-do all the shit or get forced to finish it on a class you dont want to play anymore. And mind you you are now also forced to perma keep the other character for crafting even if you dont like using that class anymore. All cause the system is shit. And this doesnt even include Squire stuff both for either people wanting to play sub25 or for people who wanne go in in whites with a green to gear up. All cause the worthless system isnt account wide.

[kind shale]

They release them in waves to reduce the amount of people that are able to plow through quests and content within minutes or hours of a wipe and get a massive head start in front of people that may be working or otherwise unable to Play

[deft zealot]

There is no way to obtain legendaries in a normal dungeon, correct? Also, what exactly is a wipe?

[pulsar vapor]

It really just sounds like you don't like playing the game tbh? one of my trios is on his 3rd character this wipe (we're all new) and he's having an actual blast doing the quests again. But we're not grinding progression. We're just going in- having a good time, getting some pvp and maybe getting out with what we need.

[agile terrace]

Its precisely cause I enjoy the game that I dont enjoy this quest garbage.

[echo sparrow]

wipe is when everyone loses their gear and levels and start over

[kind shale]

Honestly as much as you're concerned about these problems, they are easily remedied by just doing them on character, which God forbid. And the squire thing is honestly like complaining because you were given $3 instead of $3.01

[deft zealot]

And how often we have these wipes?

[echo sparrow]

every 3 months or so. last one was almost 2 weeks ago.

[agile terrace]

Not an argument. Just a "this bad design doesnt annoy me therefore its not bad."

[pulsar vapor]

But to do the quests you're literally just playing the game no different than you normally would? All the quests are just doing the gameplay loop. White gear at squire doesn't give you that big on an advantage homie. I droppepd a dude in full purples nearly bis with a blue longbow and some greens

[cerulean crypt]

Before there was a Squire you didn't get to start with anything with for free.

[kind shale]

I'm not trying to make an argument. Argument is trying to prove another person wrong. Opinions arent wrong

[agile terrace]

Yeah complete the Frostwalker eyes quest in a NATURAL way whilst u play normals. I wait till christmas till you are done.

[pulsar vapor]

I did? I finished it yesterday night.

[kind shale]

Hey zombies give good loot. If you're avoiding them you don't know what they may drop. I've gotten some banger rings off of zombies, both frost walkers and standard

[echo sparrow]

me when they drop a purple ring in normals

[agile terrace]

So 2 and a half weeks for one early quest? Nice.

[pulsar vapor]

I mean, considering progress is drip fed and I'm a new player learning the game- yeah not bad.

[cerulean crypt]

Gamers when a game has things to do for a reward

[echo sparrow]

welcome aboard

[agile terrace]

Low IQ apes when they cannot read full context

[kind shale]

Minimal effort for max reward I think is the argument here. He wants to do the least amount of work and be rewarded the most he sees he should be.

[cerulean crypt]

Aren't you just a lovely person.

[pulsar vapor]

Ty brother If you even come across a ranger named "ImEvenBetter" and he squares up and takes his shirt off. Perpare for some free loot cause I'm dogwater.

[upper pendant]

Guys, he is FORCED to finish his quets he says

[kind shale]

I'll 1v1 you with my "DoYouEvenLiftBro" and die all the same bcuz I don't run savage on my barbaian

[echo sparrow]

if he takes his shirt off how am i supposed to fight back? stunlocked for sure

[cerulean crypt]

IM is basically enslaving him by requiring him to do forced labor I can see where he's coming from.

[pulsar vapor]

He's in his own personal hell where the video game has things to do in it.

[agile terrace]

Said the person trying to be a condenscening cause he can when noone has a problem with quests having requirments, but a problem with how it affects multi use of characters. You really shouldnt act all high and mighty when even reading is too challenging for you.

[river harness]

how do I craft copperlight attire

[kind shale]

Uhhhh I think that's quests for the Clothing guy dude to raise his likeylikey of you

[echo sparrow]

service tab of the tailor. if you have the quest done to get it. might have to wait for a refresh

[cerulean crypt]

What is the non-condescending way to respond to being called a low IQ ape because I don't see the issue with optional quests?

[agile terrace]

That was AFTER you already were condenscending. Dont pretend THIS wasnt condenscending.

[river harness]

okay thanks it wasn't showing in the service tab

[echo sparrow]

after you do the quest to unlock it, you have to wait for a refresh before he offers his service

[cerulean crypt]

I'm just asking what the appropriate response would be.

[kind shale]

Oh not even ik you had to wait for a refresh

[agile terrace]

"I disagree, I like re-doing quests on multiple classes and how it plays out". Need me to teach you anything else?

[cerulean crypt]

Tha'ts how I should respond to being called a low IQ ape? Is that how you would?

[pulsar vapor]

Jk I see your point now. I got rolled over by a fighter in some whites- the advantage is too much. It wasn't the 8 arrows I missed or anything.

[glass crystal]

Since you can only have one character on a free account on this game that isnt even out yet it would be nice if you could try a fully perked guy out in like a solo dungeon or something

[agile terrace]

No, the ape part is AFTER you were condenscening already. Thats when you already asked for a negative response.

@pulsar vapor Not surprised you cannot even aim, fits not being able to grasp easy concepts :)

[noble sigil]

Does hell/abyss give better loot?

[cerulean crypt]

Ah I was asking for it I see.

[echo sparrow]

yes

[kind shale]

I hope if the Arena mode comes out you can play it as a free player. Would be a good place to see what the higher tier gears would look like in a fair setting. Could make brackets of preset gear based on rarity level for people to test

[pulsar vapor]

Dang you got me. I've been exposed. Hey everyone! Breaking news!!!! New player is bad at game!!!!!

[glass crystal]

I'm really disappointed in the free to play model

[kind shale]

Git gud

[static granite]

hey folks, any recommendations for wired headphones with directional sound + mic built in?

[cold spire]

its a demo not f2p

[echo sparrow]

really? i thought they did a good job with the f2p version

[cerulean crypt]

What do you think would make it better?

[agile terrace]

Bad player, not new player. You can be both, but you arent necessarily bad just cause you are new. Hope that helps.

[crisp heron]

If you’re enjoying the game, buy it

[glass crystal]

Game isn't out yet I'm not spending money and also Is this not a playtest or is this out and playable indefinitely until it's off early access

[fallen escarp]

When did this wipe start

[pulsar vapor]

I'm trying- I can hit probs 8/10 of my shots on longbow- recurve is my bane 0/100

[kind shale]

The game was never going to have FTP. It just offered it to be nice. It's like giving a cookie to someone and them complaining they didn't get a full meal. They're trying their hardest to make it fair for new players, while also being fair to people who paid.

[cold spire]

game has been indefinitely playable for a year now

[deft lintel]

Playable after early access too

[glass crystal]

Most games are.

[kind shale]

Listen 90% of the time my survival bow exists on my Bard to lob as much bs at a local Ranger in my area so that he stops pinging my fighter trying to push up. It's the thought that counts

[chilly viper]

does goblin caves have inferno?

[crisp heron]

It’s not a playtest, the game is available in early access. If you don’t want to spend money that’s fine, but there’s no point in complaining about a twice-upgraded F2P model (thats intention is to sell copies via a chance at experiencing the game)

[deft lintel]

So why did you ask?

[pulsar vapor]

It's okay, I'll just sit here with my ape brain enjoying the natural questing experience as I hunt down timmies for their shinies in sub 25's

[kind shale]

Like saying man I'm not happy with non-member RuneScape

[glass crystal]

I'm mostly just complaining about the single character slot you get with 0 warning this Is your only one

[cerulean crypt]

Honestly landing shots with a bow isn't the easiest thing in the world for anyone. Working on improving your aim is good but I wouldn't hyper focus on it. Leave yourself with room to run away and close doors on people so even if you miss some shots you can still win or get away.

[agile terrace]

good boy, have a treat

[crisp heron]

Read the description on Steam, it’s in the first sentence

[upper pendant]

Pass me a treat too?!

[worn slate]

I find aiming in darker and darker to be quite easy for some reason, I also play overwatch and I hit way less shots in Overwatch

[pulsar vapor]

positioning gets me killed way more than my aim. It's only recurve I suffer with something about the speed/drop of the proji and my brain just isn't clicking.

[glass crystal]

That's an "it was in the fine print" cop out.

[echo sparrow]

if you click on the squire edition in the lobby, it will tell you what you do and dont have

[crisp heron]

They should’ve had a giant red button/banner instead? They can’t help your attention span is short

[glass crystal]

Would it really be so hard to have a windows come up saying "hey you're on a free account and this is your only one are you sure you wanna be this class?"

[kind shale]

I mean even if they did people would complain that it's condescending to their intelligence

[cold spire]

HEY YOU WON AN IPHONE25 CLICK HERE TO CLAIM IT

[cerulean crypt]

Hm. Something you may or may not know if holding an arrow for a little bit means it won't drop off as hard. Also longbow has the lowest drop off of the bows so that could help.

[kind shale]

Bro needs a "Are you sure?" And a "Are you sure you're sure" after the button that says Enter

[glass crystal]

Do you people really read the entire steam page when you reinstall a game you played before? Also Why are you all so fucking nasty? I'm not shitting on the Gane I just wish I was warned about something kind of important

[crisp heron]

Am I crazy or is the natural procedure when checking out a game you want to buy not “click store page > check description > check single player/multiplayer”

[cold spire]

I usually read what the game i am buying or downloading contains like a functioning adult

[cedar ledge]

is the pyramid in ice caverns in the northeast region of the map? i was certain i was there but just wanna double check to make sure im not wrong

[thick veldt]

its like north center

[pulsar vapor]

yeah, long range I hold until the chevron closes in on itself. It's literally just something about recurve and my brain. My aims not even THAT bad as I say it is. Yesterday was my own personal hell. I only used recurve- tbh I got a couple kills with it and felt good by the end. Still a fraction of my longbow gameplay

[opal saddle]

Dad community is just toxic haha

[cold spire]

Just filtering out the stupid

[kind shale]

No you're not shitting on the game, you're just coming off as really unappreciative for a product of a company that is trying it's hardest to dedicate resources to upgrade a free to play option for a game that normally costs money without fucking over the people who actually paid

[cedar ledge]

can i send a SS for you to verify? its just a pic of the map and where i think it is

[cerulean crypt]

Makes sense. Sounds like you're doing well.

[glass crystal]

I'd rather theyvjust asked me for money to play on the first place honestly

[river harness]

does the cyclops drop troll pelt

[vapid arch]

no

[opal saddle]

@river harness No

[kind shale]

And as paying people we are kinda annoyed we paid money for options the free to pay people are upset about not getting for free.

[crisp heron]

There’s nothing nasty about pointing out the text that you wished for exists and is plainly visible. Not shitting on you, just read the description.

[pulsar vapor]

But as a new ape brain palyer who cannot grasp the flaws of having individual character progression. This game kinda slaps- it combines two of my favourite things... dungeon crawlers and player murder. The quests just give me something to think about other than death by 47 arrows

[glass crystal]

I'm just pointing out a thing that could stand to be a little more clear it's not that deep or serious you guys are bring objectively very rude who hurt you or are you all just pent up incels who need am outlet god bless this community sucks ass

[kind shale]

I love the 47 arrows thing. Because default ranger bow feels like it takes that much 😭

[cold spire]

True. Sorry that they gave you the option to check the game before making a decision on buying it or not

[pulsar vapor]

I used a grey survival bow in hell last night.... that's actually not THAT far off of what was in some of the mobs

[upper pendant]

it must be the drugs. they are in the drug era

[bronze moth]

Quest turn ins are just dopamine buttons.

[cold spire]

[thorn nova]

Where can i find all the maps?

[glass crystal]

I didn't buy it. It was free on steam. And all I'm saying is the fact there's a premium version is kind of easy to miss. Againbits not that serious sorry I had a complaint about your Special Interest 🧩 do some hand flaps you will feel better

[kind shale]

Seeing the little quest turn in pop up when I didn't really do shit is BIG dopamine

[upper pendant]

Why are you so mean? Proceeds to insult people

[crisp heron]

Fr. Being way saltier than anyone who @ you

[pulsar vapor]

I'm literally waiting for this weeks quests. Zero focus on the quests outside of going to hell. They aren't even hard to do if you focus and grind them. one of my trios literally caught his warlock up in 2 days

[crisp heron]

I do 0 quests for 10 runs and then 4 in 1 it seems like

[pulsar vapor]

I also have zero and i mean zero map or mob drop knowledge. I don't even google loot drops- I just find them naturally and then remember where/what dropped it.

[cold spire]

Didnt say u bought it. I understand tho. Cant read a description or do a little research when the tik tok brainrot has set it. I know the feeling

[kind shale]

Hey map knowledge does help. The interactive map people made slaps pretty good

[pulsar vapor]

I just don't understand how someone could find the quest progression annoying when all the quests could basically just say "play the game"

[glass crystal]

Again, I had already played a previous play test before they took it off steam. I thought you could read

[cold spire]

Its ok calm down. You were deceived by your own inability. Its fine

[bitter citrus]

i think people get hyperfocused on a certain quest and go match after match trying to get lucky on rng with just one quest. I just play whatever map I currently have the most quests on and get what I can get.

[pulsar vapor]

I just play the map that's on rotation when I hit ready- if i have a quest on the map ill keep it in mind and I creep around and hunt people. My main focus is just getting better as Ranger and PvP

[kind shale]

Same. Except I've been slamming Gobbo caves a bunch trying to get hot ore. So those quests are all done

At least the quest lock stuff in this game is super tame. Imagine quest locked stuff like stuff in Tarkov

[echo sparrow]

been hoarding all my blue bangles. i hate that quest, and i hope im holding them for nothing

[opal saddle]

@echo sparrow same here

[bitter citrus]

yea i mean that's fine. I like to try to optimize a little bit. The big thing is most of the quests are rng on either drops, or map rotation, or spawn point. It's tough to knock out one specific quest. Better to do as many at once as possible.

[old spindle]

how much does a gold coin bag carry

[echo sparrow]

1000

[kind shale]

That quests succccccks. I'm doing it on my main and that's all IDC 😂

[pulsar vapor]

oh yeah, when im in my trio we focus quests a lot more. But solo i'm mostly trying to learn positioning- when to take a fight/not to take a fight. Cheeky traps palcements- rooms that are good/bad for me to engage in. I do a lot of dumb stuff as limit testing too.... You literally gotta practise somehow even if it gets you killed

[echo sparrow]

i have a stash tab filled with blue bangles. last wipe it took me 1 day to get all of the bangles except 1. took me a week to get the one i needed at the end. it was the worst.

[cunning escarp]

how do you unlock the cuirass at the squire, I completed all armorer quest already

[crisp heron]

I wouldn’t mind if the locational quests had a symbol associated with them like escape portals, that’d be nice qol

[kind shale]

Uhhhh IDR if he gets cuirass at any point but if he does it'd be missions for Armor Smith. I run Slayer Fighter so I never paid attention

[frosty chasm]

New quests drop today right?

[cunning escarp]

I've seen clip of people starting with it

[pulsar vapor]

I wish I could see the quest long in game. My old man brain forgets things sometimes

[echo sparrow]

what class

[cerulean crypt]

Not 500?

[kind shale]

Either purchased from Armorsmith or they did all the Armorsmith quests to get the required renown. It's a plate type armor so he'd specialize in giving it to you

[cunning escarp]

fighter, it was in peter griffin vids

[crisp heron]

Same.

[opal saddle]

Does anyone know the point of fame?

[kind shale]

Big D swinging kinda thing IG? Just a fun stat so far or sumsum

[opal saddle]

Oh

[cunning escarp]

ye I just watched the video again he dies and spawn back in the lobby with the cuirass equipped

[echo sparrow]

is it from last wipe?

[teal gazelle]

Does anyone know how to access the Howling Crypts?
for the tavern keeper's quest

[kind shale]

I guess Fame could be seen as "this guy has a total of 1000 levels in Fighter so I'd pick him over this guy that has 50 levels of fighter even tho the 50 fame guy has 50 levels this wipe and the 1000 fame guy only has 5 levels this wipe". But that's like, pretty toxic meta levels lmao

[cerulean crypt]

Squire gets all armour and weapons once you do the quests. At least that's how it worked last wipe. Doubt it'd change.

[cunning escarp]

yes it was from the wipe just before steam launch

[echo sparrow]

the forgotten castle = howling crypts

[teal gazelle]

oh ok, thank

[cunning escarp]

maybe they changed it or put cuirass as quest reward for someone else then armor smith

[echo sparrow]

then theres a chance you have to wait for more quests to unlock the gear from the squire. the squire unlocks are tied to quests

[cerulean crypt]

Doubt it

[cunning escarp]

I completed all the quest from armor smith, how do you unlock the hidden quest?

[river harness]

where is the blood thing for the tailor quest?

[kind shale]

I think my Cleric got access to cuirass from Armorsmith quests? Id have to check later

[civic kraken]

i have problem with the game, i cant connect to the game, what is going on?

[echo sparrow]

Quests are realised it time. Wiki says the squire should unlock a cuirass at 25 reputation.

@river harness its in inferno, you have to take a red gate down to there from crypts

[opal saddle]

@river harness You have to go to the down portal in crypts

[river harness]

where at in inferno though? like whats it look like

[cunning escarp]

Ok sorry guys it was a bug, I should've tried relaunching the game first. After relaunching the game the cuirass is there in squire equipment.

[kind shale]

Oh shiii nice man have fun

[opal saddle]

Depends on the varent

[echo sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1250752383923781643/1251156182702358668/Inferno_1_3x3_NAMES.png?ex=667424ff&is=6672d37f&hm=f695acc05c3f755237a2baecf13d668d77f625411c5555c2622290460abccd12&

[severe rock]

game crashes randomly at times seems to be always at the worst too smfh... i get this crash error "GPU Crash dump Triggered"

[kind shale]

Did you Google that error

[severe rock]

yeah but im rocking a 3080ti... how can i not play the game at high settings

[cedar ledge]

bruh how come stuff is only craftable once

thats mega lame so if i lose my sterling mace i just made its just gone forever and i can't make another? :l
(pls tell me the recipe comes back if i lose it)

[kind shale]

Big thing might be if you haven't updated drivers.

[supple pilot]

Question about druid: Do main weapon & offhand stats transfer to animal forms?
If you put them on your back, you lose the stats (as you can only have either mainweap or offhand stats), so I assume you dont get them in animal form?

[kind shale]

I think they reset like every 10 mins or sumsum

[cerulean crypt]

You assume correct I believe

[spare elbow]

Its on the same rotation as merchant gear so you can only craft one every like 15-30 min then they reset

[cedar ledge]

oooooh thank god lmao

was about to start malding

it triggered my GEAR FEAR

[kind shale]

Best way to check would be to go to the test dummies in the lobby and hit them once with weapon, switch to animal form, hit, switch back, unequip weapon, transform and hit

[spare elbow]

Animal forms only scale dps off the stated stats, agi for panther, resourcefull for chicken, str for bear - nothing from weapons will benefit you

[supple pilot]

ah yea this could work I guess, and perhaps put it in your backpack to be fully sure.

[spare elbow]

Im 98% sure weapons or other equipment used in hands have no impact on animal forms

[kind shale]

Easier answer there lmao. I don't know any of druids stuff cuz I've never played it

[supple pilot]

yes but if you have +STR/AGI on your weapon for example. But since you technically do not have a weapon equipped I wonder if those stats stay as if you have them equipped in animal

[twin swallow]

So quest items bought from the market can’t be turned in?

[echo sparrow]

correct

[crisp heron]

Not if “looted” is the status needed

[kind shale]

The status must be LOOTED. Even stuff brought in by nerds and taken by you cant be used. EXE blue weapons brought in being unable to be used for blue weapon quest

[cedar ledge]

ayo sterling armorset might go hard ngl

[twin swallow]

Well that freaking sucks, can’t just pay my way to victory 😔

[cerulean crypt]

No stats from stuff on your weapons will apply while in animal form.

You can turn in some handled stuff for quests. It's kinda rare since most require looted stuff. But the leathersmith quest for copperlight stuff for example can be completed with handled stuff.

[vapid arch]

you can't have looted craftables

[kind shale]

Dats true

[prime maple]

Daily reminder ranger is ez mode cowpie and if you were mad about f2p ur part of the problem 😁 ciao

[cerulean crypt]

True. Crafting something will always result in a handled item.

[kind shale]

This man has a Barbarian tag and is praising Ranger! GET EM

[cerulean crypt]

I don't think he intended to praise them lmao

[kind shale]

NGL my brain didn't process the cowpie part 😂

[late needle]

how doe the storm work now?

[crisp heron]

No circle anymore

[west gulch]

why the FUCK is the FIRST TAILOR QUEST SO HARD

[serene fern]

im trying to get the quests done and can't find where the blood platforms are in inferno for the tailor, does anyone have a pic of what it looks like on the map?

[serene mesa]

does solo mode have fewer mobs than trios? I remember them saying they wanted to implement that

[spare elbow]

As of now there is no difference in mob density or difficulty between solo duo or trio

[oblique cave]

are longsword ripostes a thing anymore??????

[serene mesa]

thank you

[brittle spruce]

can artic wolves only spawn in the two rooms on the western side of ice caves? also do HR wolves drop the pelt more frequently?

[cedar ledge]

can zweihander parry like longsword or is it its own wep

[serene mesa]

longsword is the only sword with a parry mechanic, zweihander can't even block just attack

[cedar ledge]

damn is it worth using then??

[brittle spruce]

i believe the only things with parry are flute and longsword

[serene mesa]

yeah zweihander is awesome on barbarian, but on fighter I would stick with longsword though zweihander is still a good option @brittle spruce lantern shield also has a riposte

[cedar ledge]

ye lantern shield is my main shield its so good (im fighter)

[cerulean crypt]

Lantern shield has a really low block power though

[oblique cave]

im so confused, im seeing these youjtubes doing this parry riposte thing for a ton of damage but i cant do it

[brittle spruce]

press rightclick again instead of leftclick

[sweet crag]

can they add more giant spiders to the spider room I fought 4 and felt underwhelmed

[cedar ledge]

step 1. block an attack

step 2. right click after blocking

step 3. profit

(only works for longsword, lantern shield, and i flute(i just learned flute does it fromt this chat idk)

[sweet crag]

although I did have a lot of fun in that room when a pressure plate released a skeleton champion and while running from that there was another that released a giant centipede you can tell the developers love loyal players such as myself

[peak bane]

dm me and we can call and I can show you how it's done in better detail. (750+ hour longsword fighter)

[warm basin]

is map rotation always clockwise?

[oblique cave]

omg thats why

[vague bridge]

is there a lever to activate the lift escape in the ice caverns?

[near nova]

just stand on it should activate nvm in an idiot

[echo sparrow]

yeah, its right in front of the lift on the floor.

[warm basin]

is map rotation clockwise?

[nova current]

they need to increase chicken attack range, cant hit targets from behind or legs most of the time

cant even headshot reliably, maybe 1 in 10-15 hits

[cedar ledge]

im not the one that needs 2 learn 💀
actually i do need to shape up with longsword, someone just melted me with it, i went from full-plate and full hp to 0 hp in 3 attacks, couldn't even block a single one

this must be my sign to give in and use a longsword

[spare elbow]

I mean chicken is not really meant to be used for attacking its really just there for the self heal

[nova current]

just because its not meant to attack doesnt mean it doesnt need a hitbox correction.

[spare elbow]

I think the hitbox is intentionally trash but who knows

[nova current]

not being able to hit legs is a very weird design choice then

[cedar ledge]

its because if you COULD hit with the chicken, people would stop playing, chicken is too goated

could solo the entire game as chicken if it had proper hitbox so its balanced this way

[nova current]

let me kill with resource chicken madge

[cedar ledge]

mald seethe cope cry /srs/srs/srs

oh my god longsword is amazing lmao

what have i been doing this whole time with a shield i dont even get hit anyways

[tropic flume]

hi, anyone here knows if the devs will buff the rogue in the next update, i chose it as my first character and oh dear god, it's been 3 days and i still struggle against both players and mobs. I am not fast enough to catch up to other players, my damage output is weak even with every dagger perk equipped, Dagger range is so bad I have to cuddle with with enemies to even get a hit.

[kind shale]

It's not much but remember you can use rapier. Rapier moveset is so nice. But yeah rogue is a struggle bus right now. Complaints all around for good reason might cause a change. Just how is the question. Rogue hasbeen a balancing nightmare since conception

[meager zinc]

Does anyone know how to awaken the frost wyvern?

[cedar ledge]

step 1, have friends

(you need 4 players to fight it)

[kind shale]

First step: beg another team to come help you

[tropic flume]

that is what i am using at the moment, but still damage is weak as hell because there are no perks to back up the rappier. And you know man, the fact that i can't walk silently as a passive ability sucks, this is supposed to be rogue. Lock picking and silent walking should be passive abilities honestly

[meager zinc]

Is that all?

[cedar ledge]

yeah then PRAY you don't get betrayed cuz for some reason they leave pvp on in a boss where you are REQUIRED to team up with randoms 💀 (or just kill them and be the bad guy idc)

[cerulean crypt]

If you're playing Rogue and you want to not suck just play Bard instead honestly

[kind shale]

Agreed especially because Bard does the whole lockpick thing so much easier.

[meager zinc]

Thanks! I appreciate it!

[tropic flume]

free to play, don't have enough character slots . and i live in ALG (north africa) hard to have online payment services so i can't pay for the legendery status

[kind shale]

Best rogue game plays I've seen are prodding and poking and being a general nuisance and resource waster using bleed pistol crossbow and dipping

[cerulean crypt]

Mhm. Honestly Rogue is plenty viable. Especially in solos. Bard is generally better but you do have to play songs all the time which can be tedious.

[tropic flume]

i made to much progress with rogue honestly, i don't want to throw it all away, i managed to collect 2500 coins in 5 hours

[vapid arch]

it isn't

[cerulean crypt]

For PvP as Rogue you wanna be incredibly light weight and running double hand crossbow. Kite your enemies until they're low then stab them.

[kind shale]

Also don't underestimate how good throwing knives can be for starting a fight.

[tropic flume]

ye good luck aiming a 1 pixel hitbox

[cerulean crypt]

For PvE you're pretty good honestly. Rapier one of the best PvE weapons. Just have to learn enemy attacks and not get hit.

[glossy scarab]

its crazy that i came in here for troll advice and noone told me the main thing, nor is it in any video lol
how u gotta move in and out of range to force the single attack instead of the combo chain

[kind shale]

If you get both crossbows off, and hit a throwing knife, then stab till dead you'll have a decent time

[cerulean crypt]

Sorry what are you asking? What's the context here?

[tropic flume]

can we talk in rogue discussion

[glossy scarab]

just the other day was looking for troll killing advice, and was looking for videos, and theres a key aspect to the fight i never saw anywhere, specifically how to prevent the combo chain

[kind shale]

Also don't underestimate the invisibility. Don't have to always use it defensively. Invis before your first stab so you get the damage buff from the perk where you do extra damage when leaving invis

[cerulean crypt]

Ah. Yeah so attacks and follow-ups in Dark and Darker are often triggered by proximity. It's a general thing so you won't often see it as particular advice for Cave Troll since it applies to a lot of stuff.

[glossy scarab]

on right turn u can just stay in and keep stabbing, but on left turn u gotta force the single hit, and its kinda good to know both so u dont end up with bad positioning for the overhead

[kind shale]

Rogue discussion is locked to people who chose rogue as a Role on Discord. I'm a Warlock main so I can only access Warlock discussion

[south rivet]

How can I associate my Dark and DarkeR account with Steam?

[crisp heron]

Blacksmith > options > platform and link code through steam

[south rivet]

thanks ❤️

[winter dock]

where do you get skull keys from?

[elfin fern]

@tulip totem yo i was probably the bard you were talking to, gg. i had trapped the apes in that other module, sorry you ran into them 😅

[sonic walrus]

what do i do with the golden key

[cerulean crypt]

@winter dock Inferno bosses
@sonic walrus Use it to open the golden door(I misread your question my b)

[sonic walrus]

where is that 😭

[sand zenith]

Sell it

[cerulean crypt]

It's in the big circle room on crypts. At the top of the tower. Though there's another one in a crypt room module.

[sonic walrus]

i dint see no golden door at the circle room. is it not in hell?

[digital magnet]

Eh one Handbow is enough. I run handbow and rapier seperate hands for max move speed. Just rupture handbow for chip damage and kiting is enough

[cerulean crypt]

No golden door in hell. They're in crupts.

[sonic walrus]

intresting. alright ill try find

[digital magnet]

Golden doors aren't really worth anymore tho right. It's all about skull key and skull door now adays

[cerulean crypt]

Can't post images here. But you can find where they are on this map. https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/Crypt-05-N

[cedar ledge]

got dc'd i guess u get a leaver penalty even if u dc 💀

[marble skiff]

Where would I submit a glitch that I found?

[frosty hill]

I love losing my inventory in HR because of rubberbanding that is never going to get fixed

[warm basin]

anyone explain to me how a wendigoo can stuck me on a wall, hit me 5 times and never change target while i never hit it, but my teamates hit it 3 times

[cerulean crypt]

Yes I can. So back in the old playtests people figured out a way to cheese enemies. You would have 1 guy hit an enemy while a teammate stands in front of it and stops it getting to the person that hit it. To prevent this IM made it so that even if an enemy's aggro is set to the last player that hit it, if another player is within touching distance of them they will attack that player instead.

This means if you get cornered by an enemy it's aggro will never change from you because you are touching it. (outside of maybe a Fighter using Taunt or a Barb using Savage Roar)

[rustic belfry]

Jesus christ, these timed maps are so trash in comparison to the circle, get'em back

[lunar mesa]

anyone else ever joined a game, then doesnt put you in game. restart client, try to rejoin and just get an endless loop of attempting to rejoin and then just ask you if you want to join or quit and loose all my items. its acting like i am in game but wont load my game?? im lost. Ive restarted client. restarted wifi

[tulip totem]

oh shit!!! ye that was me in the abys!

[elfin fern]

glad we both made it out, i will probably run into you again at some point

[jovial echo]

are they gonna do something abt their anti cheat ? what's causing most of the false bans

[gilded trout]

its literally the same but without a circle so you arent forced to run through 50 mobs constantly to stay inside the circle just to have the last portal available be camped by a juiced team or ambush rogue. Idk why anyone would want circle back, shit was TRASH

[cerulean crypt]

I like PvP. So that'd be why I'd want the circle back. For more PvP.

[tulip totem]

see you soon

[gilded trout]

Arena is coming soon enough, thatll be straight pvp, you can still find pvp if you look. i do every single game

[cerulean crypt]

Sure. But Arena isn't here yet. And the circle would mean more PvP.

[gilded trout]

but this isnt a battle royale lol

[rustic belfry]

nah man, this timed shit is dog in comparison, now you gotta run around the world in hope to find a blue portal still up and not taken

[gilded trout]

i mean there are statics everywhere, same place everytime. There are more outs than people in the dungeon lol. skill issue for sure.

[cerulean crypt]

Okay? You said you didn't know why anyone would want the circle back. I feel my reason is pretty valid.

[formal kayak]

good action speed for ranger?

[twin swallow]

Where are the ores at? Maps always have cobalt and RS on them but I can’t ever seem to find iron or copper spawns

[rustic belfry]

before you kinda get closer and closer to other players atleast, now it's a guessing game with more pve than pvp 💔

[west gulch]

why doesnt the rarity of items the merchant sell go up even once the more quests you do for them? you'd think it at least would let commons start being sold

[gilded trout]

i mean its a choice now. Players all spawn in the same areas everytime. Idk if you ever experienced being spawned in outside zone in HR. Trying to clear rooms of mobs because your resourcefulness is too low to run past and open doors, so you spend the entire game hunting down zone and not looting. shit was NOT FUN at all. a person or team would be waiting in zone the entire time for some dude trying to catch up, then kill them as soon as they got in zone.

[cerulean crypt]

Drathrin you can argue until you're blue in the face that the circle was bad but fact is a lot of people just like pvp and there's now less pvp so obviously those people are gonna want the circle.

[gilded trout]

i mean its not my fault you cant find PvP, people spawn in the same spots every game, outs are in the same place everytime, literally learn the maps, run to people and fight. not that hard dude

[west gulch]

I liked the circle, it meant you actually needed to plan for the eventuality that you WILL find players, not just maybe you might

[rustic belfry]

I mean this sounds like skill issues if anything xd

[river harness]

can you solo lich as a bard

[cerulean crypt]

Bro are you genuinely going to try and argue there isn't less PvP now?

[gilded trout]

easy to say now that you dont have to experience it lol. Yall the ones who need the game to force pvp because your inable to do it yourselves lol

[tired sail]

do the inferno exits function the same as normal exits, as in they have a random opening time

[west gulch]

you type like you have gout man I mean come on

[rustic belfry]

I played first 3 tests so I know what you're trying to tell, but that statement above is pure skill issues

[gilded trout]

Well then it should be super easy for you to find players with all that experience

[west gulch]

why the fuck should I have to study a map to fight players in a pvpve game, does that make any sense to you

[gilded trout]

you literally learn by playing. ive never needed to study a map lol. just play the fucking game

[cerulean crypt]

There are valid reason to like not having the circle. And most seem to prefer not having it. But it's just asinine to pretend there's no reason to like the circle. Like Ironmace had it in the game for a year for no particular reason at all.

[rustic belfry]

Literally 50% less pvp now, makes it boring

[west gulch]

I wont deny that you learn by playing, but the fact that you have to memorize spawns so you can spawn rush JUST FOR PVP is stupid and I think you know it and have argued in favor of it too long to let your pride go

[gilded trout]

i mean can you remember where you spawn? other people spawn in the same exact place. And AGAIN @rustic belfry there will be a purely PvP mode soon enough so we dont need circle back, we need PATIENCE

[proven anchor]

From what I hear there will be an arena gamemode eventually. PVP focused players get to play that and casual players can enjoy how it is currently

[west gulch]

im not saying that constant pvp is good, but the map-area:player ratio is way out of wack

[cerulean crypt]

Mhm. But arena is likely not coming this season.

[gilded trout]

they know this, they just want a bad mechanic back purely cuz they dont want to wait for the actual PvP mode or find PvP themselves lol.

[rustic belfry]

yes but with circle, it pushes us all in the same direction, forcing us to fight other players for a spot, personal preference, we can agree to disagree, no need to get upset:)

[wind orbit]

Can we get back the zone? missing the pvp...

[tulip totem]

no.

[gilded trout]

agreed, we can agreed to disagree, im not upset. have a good day buddy 🙂

[undone schooner]

anyone know if the rank 1 solo rogue rn streams?

[cerulean crypt]

We're talking like 3 months for arena. That's a lot of time to have significantly less PvP.

[proven anchor]

I've been trying to mine for ages but can't seem to find any ore. Is there a specific location I need to go to?

[west gulch]

hell if I have to wait that long for pvp im just gonna go back to playing mordhau

[wind orbit]

yep

[cerulean crypt]

You can have every single player spawn memorised in your head but you'll still have way less PvP now than you would before.

[vagrant mantle]

Goblin Caves middle for cobalt

[tulip totem]

👋

[proven anchor]

ty

[west gulch]

you can also find one node in the area you find iron and copper in gobby caves

[gilded trout]

and thats not a bad thing. This game isnt just a PvP game, theres more to do than straight PvP and some people dont even enjoy that aspect as much as bossing/looting/building kits

[wind orbit]

Yea atm its so boring, u rush through all the lobbies just to get pvp, thats crazy

[cerulean crypt]

Wherhter or not you think it's a bad thing is completely irrelevant. Some people do.

[gilded trout]

lol well good thing its a small minority that did like circle. Was absolutely the worst part of the game for me. had zero fun value

[cerulean crypt]

We'll see long term. I think a lot of the more experienced players would lean towards wanting the circle back whereas the newer more casual players lean towards no circle.

[gilded trout]

Game is an extraction looter, a circle truly does not belong, once theres a PvP mode, yall can stop asking for a mechanic that doesnt fit this genre

[rustic belfry]

this~

[cerulean crypt]

atm like 80% of the player pop is new/casual so yeah the vast majority are anti-circle right now

[broken cove]

The issue is a game cant appease everyone. You are either a PVE game or a PVP game, there is no inbetween they need to stick to their guns and make pvp more rewarding and required.

[twin swallow]

Man y’all want more pvp, but like let’s discuss the real issue, 60% of players in my lobbies die to pve before 2 minutes is up

[cerulean crypt]

Yeah another issue that will hopefully be resolved with time. Players will either learn to not die to PvE or quit.

[gilded trout]

I think quite the opposite, i think the reward is the gear, the goal should be exploring dangerous dungeons with more advanced AI, in a first person Dungeon Crawler fantasy world

[broken cove]

this is part of the problem lol

[west gulch]

you ever play tarkov? almost every raid theres around a 90% chance youll run into another player. how come I havent seen another player in a dark and darker raid, ignoring spawn rushing you seem to like so much, in like 7 raids and DaD maps are smaller

[wind orbit]

Maybe for you its like this, but this is not the only extraction looter, its just in a bad state for pvp atm, even if they dont bring back the circle, do something that forces pvp

[gilded trout]

i run into players EVERY SINGLE GAME. EVERY GAME. Not once in awhile, not one player a game, but multiple players every single game. idk what server you are playing on, what rooms you are going to, i dont know how you are missing out on PvP besides hiding in some corner and not going to popular rooms

[west gulch]

actually im with this guy this might actually be the issue

[warm basin]

cheers mate. good to know 🙂

[cerulean crypt]

I actually agree with this a lot. Honestly I don't think the circle is a great design choice. Personally I'd force PvP by limiting the number of static escapes but making those static escapes infinite. For example you may only have 4 locations on the map you can escape from, but those places can be escaped from infinitely.

[twin swallow]

I think that, for the moment, less pvp is good for all the newer players to learn how to deal with pve first, if they can’t survive their first room, they’ll never even see another player to fight

[static granite]

hey i just wanna clarify that high roller on this game is completely fucked, the monsters hit for like 40% of ur hp, you gotta be a literal retart to enjoy that

[west gulch]

thats why high roller is called "Ranked"

more like rank ammirite please laugh

[wind orbit]

damn seems like youre the only person. I always get my pvp in the last minute, while they clear loobies close to some portals. I'm not even looting just rushing through the lobbies and watching out for ppl fighting

[cerulean crypt]

Thanks for clarifying.

[gilded trout]

US East is the server for PvP. its pretty much unavoidable.

[unkempt shuttle]

QUESTION: SHOULD WIZARD GET A MANA BAR INSTEAD OF MEDITATING FOR SPELLS? ❓ ❓ ❓

[cerulean crypt]

Nah. Would just mean people spend their entire mana bar spamming 1 spell instead of being forced to use different spells.

[broken cove]

You are such a hypocrite, saying that they aren't developing to someones needs but then state what your needs are and how they should develop the game in that direction.

They need to bring back ruins at least. Ruins was so fucking fun for pvp, they just need to make it so gold doesn't spawn there and maybe instead they put a lesser treasure room in the middle that you use a key to access.

Ruins was so fun because its where you went to have fun with all that gear you worked for in the castle.

[wind orbit]

Sadly i am based in EU 😭 seems like i have to play with a high ping just to get pvp lol. That shouldnt be the case aswell. Do it like tarkov, for the pvp, force 1 site, cornor whatever, to reach out the other side, make some special portals in the middle where u have to puzzle something or whatever to open up the portal, just to not rush out instant. And there u go, u will always get pvp

[gilded trout]

im taking the words from the devs mouths as far as what they want for the future of the game. Ruins was fun for some, i mainly remember spawn rushing and teaming on top of the bridge myself.

[west gulch]

I like this idea

[cerulean crypt]

Yeah you're not allowed to disagree with the devs.

[gilded trout]

ruins is most likely gonna be the Arena map btw

[broken cove]

Teaming was never an issue on ruins for me. The only problem I had was the rogue's hiding in the sky with hand crossbows but besides that it was great.

We all have things we think they should do differently but it wont happen. I love warlock but i think warlock should have spell slots, I like in Dungeons and dragons having like 3 super powerful spells and then resting and getting them back

[vagrant mantle]

Is there a way to significantly increase my mining speed for cheap?

[wind orbit]

Ruins was the most fun map, a lot of open field where u can see the enemies instantly and can choose between, do i fight or do i skip them. Was great af

[broken cove]

be a bard

[gilded trout]

Personally i like PvP a lot, i do like now how i have more of an option to pvp and i can worry less about being third partied, I enjoy the Ice Abyss and what they are doing as far as the PvE being harder and more than one team joining up to fight bosses. I like the first person aspect of basically Dungeons and Dragons. I enjoy the PvP and am looking forward to Arena. I can see how having two seperate modes PvPvE and PvP are necessary in this game. sometimes i just wanna jump into a game just to fight as well. but overall i think no circle makes for much more interesting gameplay longterm as long as there is a PvP specific mode

[echo sparrow]

be a rogue

[cerulean crypt]

You're allowed that opinion but when you start throwing around the idea that there's no reason anyone should want the circle back you come off pretty bad.

[gilded trout]

fair

[broken cove]

I don't care if they add the circle or not, but I do think they need to make it so you have a reason to move around the map.

My main issue with your opinions is the idea of 2 gamemodes for pve and pvp. This game already has a low player base and has dropped badly whenever they fuck up their updates, they cannot divide their playerbase further

[manic shell]

Why?? Come on, dont add circle, i want to stack everything and dont want pvp, let me and most of 90% people not experiencing pvp man, if you want pvp, then go and start searching people! Lmao

[wind orbit]

+++ not sure if splitting the playerbase is a good idea, they should just find something to make it good for both sides.

[cerulean crypt]

I mean it's fair that you don't want PvP as much as it's fair that I do.

[gilded trout]

60k players on right now. Idk man the growth has just begun from the looks of it. They do plan on having more bosses and one boss per level. So like Lich in ruins, Ghost king in crypts and warlord in Inferno. I think as we have been discussing, there will be some players that specifically want to PvP with their found gearsets and those who want to PvE and collect/sell gearsets

[broken cove]

@cerulean crypt He was being sarcastic towards drathin. @gilded trout Ok but why should I have to fight only the sweats? What if every 4 or 5 kills I enjoy killing a defenseless timmy

[manic shell]

Let me just stack everything, then just stop playing the game cause its boring and i have everything within 10 hours of gameplay, dont add anything spicy, stop bringing circle!

[cerulean crypt]

I'm sarcasm illiterate smh

[gilded trout]

You think you'd fight timmies if there was a circle? Who do you think is the last team/man standing or staying for final circles?

[cerulean crypt]

I don't really get wanting to fight timmies it's pretty boring. They just kinda die immediately

[manic shell]

But for real tho, having circle now is gonna be brutal to the new player who just joined the game.

[cerulean crypt]

From a game perspective not having the circle is an excellent move and probably a big part of the huge success of the steam release.

But bro I'm so bored of killing goblins please

[gilded trout]

maybe yall need a small break from the game? go play shit like mordheu or chivalry and similiar stuff for the PvP aspect lol

[manic shell]

Most never been forced to pvp and if circle is back, they wont have a chance now since the game give you the choice to relax and not pvp if you want, so yeah, bad time for them to new experiment

[broken cove]

If they split pve and pvp modes they will also have to split stashes, cheesing pve is way too easy and they would stack gear and then go into the pvp lobby and destroy. I also don't want to have the pvp lobbies be all the sweats and not some of the medicore players. I like relaxing playing the game.

Also I know you can fight medicore players when the circle was a thing because we did it lol. Not final circle but leading up to it.

They dont need a circle on every single map is the thing. They can keep GC how it is as a tutorial dungeon basically

Drathrin why is it that your way is correct and we arent allowed to have game discussion for what we found fun?

[gusty pine]

Hello, can someone tell me where i can farm copper ore?

[gilded trout]

Not telling you that you cant have a discussion but your acting like theres a solution with no cons

[cerulean crypt]

Mordhau is fun but it's not the same kind of fun. I like DaD because it's something easy I can throw on and enjoy. With Mordhau I have to sweat pretty hard to do my accels and drags right. Can't mess up my chamber feint into jump stab y'know? Leaves me feeling tired.

[broken cove]

thats a madeup word. back in my day there was gold, cobalt, and rubysilver

[manic shell]

So the conclusion is :

• Game is boring
• Game growth is stagnant and player concurrent will decreased within next 2 week
• all because boring non-pvp game, no circle, goodbye

[gusty pine]

I have to find copper ore but i dont know what map :9

[spare elbow]

Yes that is your opinion.

[cerulean crypt]

Goblin Cave in the top right module.

[echo sparrow]

its in the goblin caves, top right side of the map. room with the bridge

[gray kelp]

Game growth stagnant wut you mean? tbh if anything the game is growing hella fast right now

[gilded trout]

See its hard to have a real discussion when you get people who just overgeneralize and chime in to stir the pot. Im sorry yall are on servers that are lacking in PvP, seems to be a region issue, not a game issue

[manic shell]

Thats not my opinion, just check concurrent player, since 2 days ago still only 60k, so its only logic it will decrease overtime

[cerulean crypt]

Man honestly they should bring back day 1 Locust Swarm that was the golden age of DaD

[shadow shadow]

where are the blood platforms location in howling crypts ? and prisons b?

[broken cove]

im in the U S of A's and I have trouble with PVP when im looking for it. Half the lobby dies to spike traps they gotta remove F2P so we only have people who actually care about the game playing

[vagrant mantle]

im already a rogue. i mean more kek

[severe otter]

devs please for the love of god rework cyclops. Having a random mechanic, which literally can't be avoided is soo bad game design. Change rockfall to instead of aoe dmg + random rocks to only aoe dmg, but make the aoe dmg be like 3x dmg...

[spare elbow]

Games should not expect indefinite continual growth but either way that is still an assumption and your other points are opinions, which you are allowed to make and have if you please.

[gilded trout]

Why are you playing norms? Get some gear together and go fight the real PvP'ers in HR. No wonder you cant find PvP. bunch of timmies that are dieing to mobs and traps

[echo sparrow]

stack resourcefullness

[cerulean crypt]

Bro you wanted a real discussion when you came in here with 'Idk why anyone would want circle back, shit was TRASH'

[broken cove]

Because I took a break from the game waiting on druid and them to actually fix the damn game. Now im a low lvl player who can't find groups because im not high enough lvl i guess

[gray kelp]

Regarding people dying to spike traps, its them learning the game and let them , if you want sophisticated pvp go hr , but still ppl are learning under 25 gear score are currently filled with new ppl testing etc and norms over that is a mixed bag

[gilded trout]

and all ive gotten in response so far is "I dont want to have to look for the PvP myself, i want it forced down my throat"

[broken cove]

Yes I love deep throating pvp on a friday night; @gilded trout

[cerulean crypt]

Never change man never change.

[gray kelp]

I think pvp is more organic now tbh i like the lack of circle, its not forced

[cerulean crypt]

lol do groups care about levels? They mean literally nothing

[fringe acorn]

Best way to find pvp is to go barbarian with crush on goblin caves and just sprint through the map I guess

[cerulean crypt]

When people start asking for boss kill proofs to join their pugs this game will be over.

[spare elbow]

Many people looking for Hr groups want some evidence of experience such as high current level, high fame, bis gear… anything that gives an indication you are experienced and likely skilled

[broken cove]

The only way, and thats the problem

[cerulean crypt]

You need 100 Ghost King crowns to join my group

[manic shell]

dont bring circle, the game is already broken.

they bring circle back, people who is casual(most of them quitting already at that point since only farming, extract, get everything) will follow quitting.

the main selling point of this game used to be : PUBG! but medival! how fun! how unique!, now, not anymore.

[vapid arch]

this game was never meant to have a circle, it was never in their vision to have it and it definitely didnt try to be pubg or sell itself as such

[echo sparrow]

idk what servers you guys play but i get pvp interactions literally every game that isnt me accidently queueing in the last 5 seconds of a map

[broken cove]

I truly think that the devs messed up when they had their year of beta launch, and they weren't listening to the players and they weren't fixing the game bugs or class bugs or adding new content. Plus not being on steam and they lost all their steam, and now they are making a desperate grab to attract new players who suck at the game so they can make money and its going to eventually result in the death of the game.

[manic shell]

its going to the direction of a more niche genre, a dungeon crawler, which, not really popular, for a reason.

they have a golden egg! a mainstream genre that will appeal alot, they turn it to something else.\

[spare elbow]

You got it backwards homie it was never supposed to be a battle royal

[gilded trout]

Its always been Escape from Tarkov but DnD lol. This game isnt anything like PUBG, except for the circle, its never been close lmfao

[fiery valley]

Lol, facts

[manic shell]

yeah, thats what im saying, what a loss.

[broken cove]

Yes, it has been Tarkov but who the hell plays tarkov for pve? Right people that spend $250 for that terrible DLC

[fiery valley]

Also, a few activity websites show that there is not much if any decline in player-base.

[polar crag]

I've never got the impression this was anything like PUBG

[manic shell]

but then again, you see everyday always theres alot of people complaining about circle in discord, should be a telltale.

[gilded trout]

The player count has been going up daily, this dudes just a troll

[zealous chasm]

Anyone experience wrist pain from clicking and moving the mouse for hours on end?
If not, you will be. You will be. - Yoda.
Look up Evoluent mouse, they are high performance, vertical mice, designed with ortho in mind to eliminate wrist pain and fatigue.

[fiery valley]

So many people out there that don't like certain things and then it's "no wonder it's a dead game" basically. Lmao

[spare elbow]

If youve been here long enough youd know there are people in here every day complaining about every aspect of the game that doesnt mean they are right

[polar crag]

Mods kill this guy with hammers

[west gulch]

mods string this guy up by his balls

[manic shell]

no no no, alot of people also complaining about f2p cant use green and up gear in normal mode, dev changed it, now the game HAS more people.

now, its the circle the main focus.

[gilded trout]

Its more like "if things dont change to how i want them, this game is going to die, hell ive decided its dieing now"

[spare elbow]

Nice! You found a single example of the devs making a good change in response to player feedback. That doesnt mean everything everyone wants should be done 😉

[polar crag]

Someone will not like a change. It's a given

[fiery valley]

If you've been here for as long as some of us, we get a few players that are like you. Look at player graphs before talkin shit brother. Activity has been uptrending since launch and hasn't decreased

[quick ginkgo]

The all time peak for this game was Febuary 2023 both in players and twitch views. 275k views in 2023, 65k in 2024.

[manic shell]

yeah, you can just check my profile for how long ive been here, also, you only here from 10 january, i mean JUNE!, lmao

[spare elbow]

Its disingenuous to include playtests that were completely free ( and super hyped) when comparing to EA launch at $30 USD

[fiery valley]

So, I can't leave a discord and come back to it mate?

[quick ginkgo]

2017? Welcome to the game 😉

[half jolt]

Hi I would like to ask if there is any reason for me to "transfer" my account to steam
and also if transfering to steam means locking yourself on steam and cannot use blacksmith ?

[polar crag]

What even is the argument other than "Woe is me I didn't pay attention and thought the game was a different genre and that's the worst thing ever"

[manic shell]

super hyped cause at the time, battleroyale is hyped, and anything that good game addition for battleroyale will be famous

[quick ginkgo]

This game started off as free to play. The pay to play module only was released after they were being sued by Nexon. So its a fair comparison to the date I provided.

[spare elbow]

No sir, the game was NEVER intended as free to play. It was always going to have a cost, the PLAYTESTS were free.

[fiery valley]

That's pretty much what I'm interpreting lol.

[quick ginkgo]

The game was literally free until they got sued. You can find the dev announcement if you search back far enough. They even were asking players "How much would you spend?"

[manic shell]

it wont be the same if the game started off as dungeon crawler game.

[polar crag]

Honestly the current F2P mode is more of a "free trial" mode and the devs probably should have marked it as such so there is less complaining

[echo sparrow]

the game was also free after they got sued...looking at you torrent playteset

[fiery valley]

It was never really that though.

[spare elbow]

The game was in playtesting phase at the time it was free. The moment it transitioned to early access it had a cost. You can share evidence to support your claim if you wish but i dont know anyone who thinks the game was “supposed to be free”

[quick ginkgo]

I'm not saying it was "suppopsed" to be free. I'm saying it WAS free. Its not an arguement of intent, but of what actually happened.

[polar crag]

So you're arguing about literally nothing then. Free playtests happen all the time

[quick ginkgo]

The devs reached out to the community to ask about pricing. We donated over a collective 45k USD before they were charging for the game just to help them survive. They made a statement saying "stop sending us money".

[spare elbow]

Lol no it wasnt ever free dawg. Free playtest is akin to an open beta. Like many games do nowadays they let people try the game free for a few days before releasing for a cost. Your argument is completely invalid

[fiery valley]

Don't act bro. I'm in several discords of upcoming or newly released games but haven't touched them. Been in them for years and haven't touched em. Time in discords doesn't mean anything. and don't get weird by calling out a dude that left this discord and came back lmao. People leave and return all the time dawg

[spare elbow]

Doing market analysis before pricing your game is a normal business practice to find balance between profit margin and accessibility. Any company with intent to make profit will perform market analysis before releasing a new product.

[polar crag]

Also yeah. I'm in 100 discords and active in like, 5 at any given time

[manic shell]

yeah, time in discord doesnt mean anything, then dont use argument like "JuSt IF YoU aRe As LoNg aS we ARE iN HeRe"

[quick ginkgo]

I think you are reading between the lines and ignoring the point. But I'm not here to debate as I was an active player since pt2

[fiery valley]

I'm saying actively in the chats dawg. YOu'd see multiple players like you saying "dead game" or "dwindling game" when they don't even look at population charts

[quick ginkgo]

If you care enough to search up the actual information you can find it in the announcements page from 2+ years ago. Its still posted.

[spare elbow]

A 1-2 week long playtest is not a “free game”. All im saying is when comparing player numbers one should ignore playtests and look only from EA as that is when the game “released” as that is when it first became constantly live and was priced for sale rather than given out for free temporarily for testing purposes

[manic shell]

all time peak, 3 days ago, thats what the chart says.

[fiery valley]

Rendering what you said as invalid. "That's why a lot of players are leaving"

[static granite]

is there any way to tell someones IGN without killing them?

[polar crag]

Then what's the point? Are you just speaking? You're trying to make some point, but going "Uhm I'm just saying it was free" is a huge nothing statement. Like okay? Playtests are free all the time for paid games

[manic shell]

which one again? i forgot what i said, hahahaha

[quick ginkgo]

My point was compairing all time high numbers to todays numbers. This was a side comment someone was trying to use to disprove data.

[polar crag]

You are allowed to scroll up.

[spare elbow]

The context was player count, they think peak player count during free hyped playtests should be compared to player count now when looking at overall active player retention, which i called a disingenuous act:

[manic shell]

quote it man!, you are allowed to quite it.

[thick orbit]

how much is it to upgrade from squire to legendary i got told it was $15 but im looking and it says $30

[static granite]

30

[fiery valley]

I already did before you sent the other messages.

[polar crag]

it's 15 premium rocks. Which is 30 dollars.

If you like the game I'd recommend it since the F2P mode really is more of a free trial, due to how much of the game is behind the wall

[fiery valley]

Not many are leaving and quite a lot stilljoining. Burnout will happen after this season so that's when I anticipate a larger leave. The main issue then will just be burnout.

[quick ginkgo]

Theres been a never ending battle of veteran and new players on game difficulty. Veterans want the game to be more difficult, newer players want it to be less high risk. You can never make both parties happy unfortunately.

[manic shell]

no, thats not it, quote it by replying which message youre refferring.

cause right now, the game losing player, the dev knows it.

[thick orbit]

steam adds another 4$ of tax anyway. can i buy it off another launcher like epic to prevent the tax or would it be same outcome

[fiery valley]

Charts are literally reflecting the opposite as you saw.

[manic shell]

wanna compare charts?

[fiery valley]

The one where you just told me 3 days ago the game peaked on player base? That's the one you wanna compare?

[cunning gyro]

on steam db the player count is fairly stable

[manic shell]

lmao, so we want to compare about deck length here? alright, 3 cm, take it or leave it.

[fiery valley]

Aki has literally no idea what he's talking about lmao. I gotta jet and do some IRL shit so you guys have fun with him. Duces 🤜 🤛

[quick ginkgo]

I don't know how everyone is so confused. Just use the same chart and theres no arguement

[manic shell]

yeah, its stable, new player in, old player out, meaning it just waiting its time like, 2 week, then its dead.

[humble kayak]

warlock should not be able to suck life from undead enemies

[fiery valley]

See what I mean? No clue what he's talking about 🤣

[polar crag]

You're just saying shit now.

I do believe there will probably be a dip when people realize the F2P mode is kind of dog, but the game is doing fine.

[manic shell]

oh boi, just if you know the statistic the dev see, youll regret what youre saying, but you know what, enjoy it.

[neon star]

seems like high roller is for the no lifes only now

[quick ginkgo]

If you look at steam reviews. 3 weeks ago they were mostly negative. The influx of free players turned it to mostly positive. Lets check again in a month.

[plain stag]

High roller has been empty for me 😦

[sterile quest]

Hey guys,

Do "Buff duration bonus" or "Debuff duration bonus" make my curses on warlock last longer?

[manic shell]

yep, influx of free players, alot of new players is coming rn, but still.. the peak was 3 days ago...

you can do the math.

the game is fun, the game is great.

sadly for the first 10 hours, after that... yeah... no circle, no tension, why bother most people say.

[fiery valley]

The statistics that I see are the same. There's other databases that tell you more about the player-base. I remember a dude told me the same thing... Months ago... Game is still here and better than ever except the ruins map being gone. "Do the math" lmfao!

"Most people" kills me hahaha. Literally never heard that complaint from "most people"

[quick ginkgo]

You are leaving out an important part of the story. You are comparing DnD going live on Steam again to when it was only on blacksmith. Those are very different situations. The first time it went live on steam it broke 700k.

[plain stag]

Our peak is lower than the weekend peak. Game is dead 😦

[manic shell]

let him enjoy what he believe, he will see later.

[rugged phoenix]

how are people finding me so fast like 1 min from start, they come in with mobs chasing them just to kill me i have base gear and these people are decently geared what kind of balancing is this?

[fiery valley]

"Most people" in the reviews dont say anything that this Aki kid is saying hahah. i saw it maybe 2 times out of 50 reviews.

[quick ginkgo]

I didnt read the reviews but you can see the chart of positive \ negative reviews. 3 weeks ago there is more negative than positive. It only recently changed.

[echo sparrow]

they know where you spawn, and run right to it. its unfortunate that people do it, but it happened to me last night

[fiery valley]

Cause devs are taking player feedback seriously thankfully

[manic shell]

yeah it only changed when dev decide the complain about f2p cant use gear in normal mode lifted, alot of people also against it like veteran that paid. but fortunately, they listen to f2p more, which i support, i even said the game is dead if the dev dont change f2p mode.

[quick ginkgo]

Making the game free to play is by far the biggest reason for the influx of positive scores. The dates line up perfectly.

[limber verge]

"my opinion is the ONLY reality!"

[fiery valley]

The F2P is what brought them such volume of negative reviews

[manic shell]

Bet!

[quick ginkgo]

This game had like 15k active players on a good day. Even if everyone of them left a negative review it would be overshadowed by new account population.

[rugged phoenix]

it happens almost every game i have gear score 7 and these people have like 280, just trying to make it through the game and it doesnt seem to matter where i spawn people track me down to kill me, do they get something from this its just normals so so no ante or anything and i have base gear it sells for 0

[fiery valley]

He says "Most people" say what he says too when there's like MAYBE 2 comments that are close-ish to it out of the 50 I read through.

[echo sparrow]

if you have 7 and they have 250 it cant be a minute after the game starts

[undone schooner]

it was pretty much strickly new players review bombing cause they cant read why would old players review about f2p when they had to own the game and most of the negative reviews were about f2p

[manic shell]

buddy, you seem so upset about my comment, take a breather, is everything okay at home?

[fiery valley]

And now that I debunked him, he's resorting to comments like this lmao 🤣 Typical.

[manic shell]

i enjoy this convos.

[quick ginkgo]

For me I can't complain about f2p, maps, player count, any of that. The only thing I comment on is how fun the game is to play. I haven't played the last few seasons because it feels like there is no real risk and gear \ gold is just given to you at every corner. I prefered the hardcore tarkov experience. Not much of a pubG fan.

[plain stag]

My man doesn't realize that population analytics is a little more nuanced than this. I love when 80iq people feel the need to contribute to these tired conversations.

[manic shell]

its fun, but the risk part just decreased because theres no circle

[quick ginkgo]

Thats only the most recent removal of risk. Every patch they remove a certain aspect which makes it a little more battle royalish. I stopped maybe 3-4 seasons ago because it was too much. I can't imagine it today.

[nocturne oriole]

50% of the playerbase is waiting for tarkov wipe or something else to play

[manic shell]

yeah, the game is hyped cause its battleroyalish first time it dropped, lot streamer, people love it, sue happen, then they changed the game, now dropped it back on steam, its still good, but a little bit tension/risk wont hurt for the game.

[vapid herald]

ADD NEW QUESTS

[vapid arch]

comes every week

[mental halo]

Friday quests dog

[raw torrent]

wizard question: does ice mastery work with frost shield?

[vapid herald]

yes

[sharp forum]

hey i just got a centaur hoof what is this used for?

[raw torrent]

ty

[echo sparrow]

probably a quest down the line. i killed so many last wipe and couldnt find the one for the quest i needed

[sharp forum]

ahh i thought maybe a crafting thing

[subtle heart]

anyone know when rubysilver plate gonna be added?

[echo sparrow]

it might be, that i dont know

[worn arrow]

Quest yes, i would keep it until the quest gets released so you dont have to worry about it then.

[nimble magnet]

Is the current season started?

[echo sparrow]

yes, less than a week now

[radiant cedar]

hey guys! I just got legendary edition and I'm trying to list items in the marketplace, but I keep getting an error when I do so. I just click list item and it says error code 664, nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong, or?

I also apparently can't enter the trading post

[supple pilot]

What is the red (satanic) skill/perktree for? Druid for example has skill 1 and 2 for both spells and shapeshifts

[idle dirge]

question where can i found the howling crypts ?

[cold spire]

its the forgotten castle map

[idle dirge]

thanks !

[sweet crag]

I don't remember is teaming in solos moderated on or nah?

[echo sparrow]

pre-teaming is bannable. organic teaming is ok

[sweet crag]

I'm just watching these two fellows working hand in hand in the mines

[echo sparrow]

some classes are able to take 2 sets of spells. the ability to do so doesnt exist on druid yet, but other classes like wizards can take 10 spells so long as they have the spell capacity

@sweet crag if they met in dungeon, and are working together. that is ok. if they sniped the lobby while on discord or something thats a problem. sometimes players will spam crouch and be friendly towards each other

ive met some newer players and helped them extract in solos. its hard to tell whats happening without seeing it. i dont 2v1 fight when this happens, unless the other person is aggressive then we have to fight.

[sand zenith]

I mean risk inherently did hurt the game, bad patch after bad patch left the game with 1-2k players.

[pure aurora]

Damn Druid feels weird to play

[ivory tendon]

nah cause real talk why tf cant you rotate items yet horizontally

[crisp heron]

Devs said this ain’t Tetris 😤

[thin coral]

i am once again asking for devs to replace the good-to-perfect song perk with something that just boosts cast speed because my ears cant handle playing optimally

[manic shell]

dev also said this ain't not a tetris game.

[waxen mist]

where does one find copper?

[echo sparrow]

goblin caves, top right of the map

[vapid oyster]

how to be veteran game developer from korea:

1. make all items that are not square taller than they are wide
2. dimensions of player inventory will not allow two non-square items to be vertically stacked
3. do not allow rotating items
4. add all items to the player's inventory horizontally instead of filling vertical space first
5. ???
6. profit! You're now optimally wasting every player's time as they are forced to manually shift items around every single match
7. be sure to refer to yourself as a veteran game developer

[quaint hull]

Guys is it true the paid races have different skills?? Like you know elf and lizardman and werewolf. Do they get different base stats or something like that

[echo sparrow]

different stats not skills

[plush forge]

does everyone have disconnection issues or am I having a compatibility issue ?

[spare elbow]

They have a benefit and a cost like elf is plus 1 agi minus 1 str

[quaint hull]

does it make a noticeable difference?! D::

Well if it’s a trade off then, maybe it’s fair idk

[echo sparrow]

you too can own the skins with blue shards

[plush forge]

different stats, only situationally useful and you can get them very fast just by playing (literally extract a handful of times and you're there)

[quaint hull]

oh. Well now I’m wondering which race is best for warlock. But visually I prefer the base skin, is it required to stay competitive you have to pick the BIS race

[echo sparrow]

inventory reminds me of diablo 2. inventory space is part of the challenge

[plush forge]

anyone can confirm if the constant disconnects during certain time periods are generalized or if it's just me please ? if i'm having a compatibility issue for some reason i'd like to know so i can try to fix it

[sly lagoon]

How do i get rid of the "Need a guide?" popup lmoa

[plush forge]

for real no one's gonna bother replying ?

[cold spire]

in the settings

[sweet crag]

am I sleeping on solo bard? I just escaped and spectated this bard looting cave troll room and he floored two people before escaping

[quaint hull]

allegedly the current best solo class if you’re good

[quaint hull]

I doubt it, are you disconnecting during peak times? It might just be an issue on your end

[plush forge]

wow so it isn't affecting everyone ?? lol i assumed it was the servers acting up since i usually never have any problems.
i'm gonna head straight to support ty 🙂

[quaint hull]

Ngl I don’t play much so I might just be missing it cuz of that. I would assume more people would complain if it wasn’t just you though

[plush forge]

yeah that's what prompted me to ask lol. it's very weird though 'cause i'll be fine for hours and then at some point i just can't even login for an hour or something
anyways tyvm for your help, i'll take care of that 🙂

[stuck kernel]

greetings, do devs plan to extend dungeon time duration to like 25 - 30 min?

[quaint hull]

gl, Hope you can get back out there with no issues

[tight dagger]

im also having issues. Just lost a gearset from it by getting stuck in a connection loop/void with the "would you like to recconect? if you dont u lose your items". Hitting yes means i wont lose items but then i wouldnt ever be able to queue another game. Hit no, lost everything, now im perma dcing and "failed to connect to the server. quit the game" prompts.

[quaint hull]

way too long imo, people will end up just hiding in the dark while the good players hunt down and kill everyone.

[thin coral]

ye, not enough time is better than too much esp when leaving is gated behind waiting a certain amount of time

[plush forge]

oh wait.. so it's not just me XD although i haven't been disconnected from the game so far, i just have had times where i couldn't log in for a few hours.

[tight dagger]

yeah you good dw, its likely never just you. I often search the discord out of curiosity and/or for a solution and find that most people share the same issues lmao.

[thin coral]

surprised its not warlock, id say they've all floored me but im also just bad so

[plush forge]

lol x) well i'd advise anyone suffering from this bug (knowing they don't have issues with their internet connection at home) to file a bug report, so we can get this resolved asap 🙂

[stable echo]

Bard with solid gear can get some CRAZY stats and while still being extremely fast. And if your good with buckler or the parry shield you can dominate people

[sweet crag]

I need to run normals with nothing but shield and just practice my blocking man I suck at it and thus never use my shield pretty much

[quaint hull]

4th extraction ever!!

[stable echo]

I’m not very good at blocking in general but if you can you just bully people easily

[quaint hull]

wait guys where should I sell my weapons that I picked up. Since I can’t sell on marketplace

[spare robin]

dp altars of ressurection recharge

[misty blade]

real shit, why are the nightmare enemies so bullshit?

[prime maple]

Ur bad

[plucky helm]

Do you guys think cleric is underpowered especially since Druid came into the game I feel like they should reverse the holy strike area nerf(or buff its dmg) or give him another damage spell that’s lower tier

[prime maple]

Nah they're good where they're at maybe a small buff.

[plucky helm]

Yeah it’s just dumb to me every other caster has gotten spell every wipe the best thing clerics gotten is overheal which is good don’t get me wrong but fr let me cast a holy fire ball and feel like Jesus

[misty blade]

post game hours rn

[sweet crag]

yeah if druid is a problem then it's druid that needs to be nerfed not cleric buff

[plucky helm]

Nah make him post leaderboard rank

[brazen tangle]

Do I use right click or left click as a panther druid?

[sweet crag]

if you made an additional magic damage build and ran earthquake last year you'd have felt like jesus tho
I remember taking out 2 teaming fighters from full health with one earthquake

[cosmic swan]

2 left click then right click. And repeat that every 5-10 sec

[sly pebble]

how do you whisper to someone?

[plucky helm]

But bro your telling it wouldn’t be sick to launch a piss colored cross at someone like a fireball

[hexed wedge]

Is Copper only in HR Goblin Caves?

[jovial axle]

its in the normals too

[cosmic swan]

"/w CharatcterName" then press space, now you can type your message. or "/r" and space to answer a whisper

[sweet crag]

I think it would be cool if cleric had more spells but it'd be disingenuous to say what they have rn isn't good

[plucky helm]

Yeah you right hopefully they just nerf Druid and I’ll be happy

[formal kayak]

what to do against cylops rockfall??

[cosmic swan]

Jump around 0.5 sec after the club hit the ground

[plucky helm]

When he smalls the ground count off 1 second then crouch jump

[brazen tangle]

ty

[sweet crag]

I don't remember if I got an answer last time I asked this does buff duration bonus apply to shield/invis potion too or ale

[formal kayak]

is this guaranteed safety or is there some rng to it

[cosmic swan]

It should be guaranteed, but since the wipe it's weird

[sweet crag]

how long does cave troll take to down assuming you're fighting it like near-perfect maybe missing 10-20% of attacks

[earnest crag]

is there any benefit to carrying a lantern in secondary that has buffs?

[elfin fern]

@high cape why so sweaty man

[cosmic swan]

Depend of the class. and group size but you can do it in like 2 min

@earnest crag Yes? You get the buff on the lantern, and for hte light

[sweet crag]

what ab solo and whatever the optimized class is for him

[cosmic swan]

I think with Warlock, spam hellfire you can do it in 1:30 / 2min

[pliant kite]

Believe me or not. Its under 15 seconds (if perfect)
Let me get the clip

[sweet crag]

is the centipede in gob caves room with the rock walls that push you in the hole elite in normals I feel like it was elite in HR but idk

[plucky helm]

Rouge bard barb and warlock are the best classes to solo him I’ve done him in 45 seconds on warlock with no gear you just use hydra hellfire and immortal perk

[tiny jasper]

being able to take green-gold items into normal raids was such a needed change, i get it was bad getting killed by someone stacked but getting 1 green item and not being able to take it into normal raids was worse, it was so annoying this is so much better

[strong gale]

Can you send it to me too please

[cosmic swan]

Yes but no xD The dude was inhuman

[pliant kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2snCuZKfgpU&pp=ygUNbmlraWVybyB0cm9sbA%3D%3D

I wouldn't dare to longsword parry the troll
Normal fights should be around 2 minute non perfect time. I think

[sweet crag]

I got impatient he's not

I just ran into the most ratty fighter in the game dude was running dagger and survival bow spamming uncharged arrows
ceo of free hits

[pliant kite]

pretty much the only way a fighter can actually be playable in this meta. If you're facing agianst someone good that is

[subtle heart]

yo where do i get link code for steam plz ?

[cold idol]

has a new season started? In leaderboard I can't see any rewards, is it because we arent in a season yet?

[sweet crag]

I don't think I've ever seen something so down bad 😭

[wispy plaza]

do you actually have to redownload the game to link your old account to steam...?

[plucky helm]

Go to options on your iron mace acc when you open through blacksmith then copy the code then open through steam and it should ask for it

[pliant kite]

yes

@sweet crag Try out warlock

[untold root]

how often do the boats spawn in the ice map does anyone know?

[sweet crag]

should I keep running clerk solo or should I try out warloccky

[swift tide]

Does anyone know how to fix the 70 hour trade timer or do I just wait it out

[low locust]

is there a lfg chat in Discord

[strong gale]

Wow impressive
I tried to solo the troll about 10 times as a bard player, I keep dodging and hitting the boss but never managed to kill him
I landed at least 30 hit and he's still standing

[west ridge]

does using a lantern still count as DW for slayer fighter

[static snow]

does soul collector work with blow of corruption?

[high cape]

Lmao you had to call me out on the discord did you like that 5 kills on the board

[pliant kite]

are you using shriek of weakness?
Are you getting consistent head shots?

[cosmic swan]

Nop. Only on the spell with black icon, the Dark Reflection perk and the Demon form

@robust shuttle Look for red stair in the Crypt

[robust shuttle]

how can i get to hte red floors?

[robust shuttle]

thanks, was thinking red ones are not activated :p so did my friends

[drifting ingot]

why did they remove the above ground castle map? It looks very cool in all the old gameplay videos

[versed spoke]

rework

[cosmic swan]

They open kinda late in the game, around 2-3 min on the timer

[plain stag]

People didn't like it apparently

[signal jewel]

just take the red stairs

[inner elbow]

does druid ever get spear as base gear?

[charred scaffold]

Scrap sorcerer to improve Wizard with Blizzard/Meteor/Arcane Blast. Instead make next classes Necromancer/Death Knight (Scav Tests), Monk (Drunk Fist of Furry), Amazonian (Javalins have entered the chat), Hunter (In Game Pet Taming), Witch Doctor (Expansion of Herbs/Curses). They can have associated maps like Catacombs of Crypts, Monk Temple, Amazon Rain Forest, Cursed Swamp. @zinc sparrow @glad thunder

[elfin fern]

my heart is never in pvp in solo norms, i just like to get gold and get out. aggro ruins my day 🫠

[cosmic swan]

yes but you need to do some quest for the weaponsmith

[plain stag]

How come ranged attacks don't apply poison on first hit? (against the dummies) It seems to work on enemies

[inner elbow]

it must be locked behind the 5 blue weapons task or after that. thanks. i have 3 quests left!

[high cape]

well i like to pvp on an even playing field i could go above 25 but say i go in around 70 someone can be above 400 and thats just not a fight

[cosmic swan]

It do, but the tick just don't appear on dummy. But it do apply the poison

[plain stag]

The tick does appear on the dummy, it shows 0 4 times on first hit. You can see the counter go up if you hit consecutively

[cosmic swan]

With melee weapon yes, but not with ranged attack as you said. But the poison still apply

[plain stag]

the tick does show, it just shows 0 on first hit. If you hit a dummy twice with a ranged weapon, it shows 1, 4 times

[cosmic swan]

Oh ok then they fixed it (it used to not show the tick damage at all on ranged damage, but still apply the poison) So your question is why the first tick is 0 damage?

[plain stag]

when using a rannged weapon on dummies, yes.

[cosmic swan]

Well it show 0 but it's actually 0.8 damage. Because the rogue start with negative magical damage. But no it's the same damage from melee and ranged proc @plain stag

[plain stag]

I guess I'm wondering if the damage is actually reduced on ranged procc vs melee procc

on melee procc it shows 1 on first hit though....

[brave crater]

new quests on 20 min??

[tame pebble]

Ruins by design lead to certain classes having advantages, as well as tower play giving a trio quite an upper hand

[cosmic swan]

No, it should be in 1 or 2 day? What make you think that?

[thin coral]

what does reputation with merchants do anyways? discounts?

[vapid arch]

discounts, more items, more craftables

[cosmic swan]

At very high affinity yes for the discount. It also allow to buy better item, start with better item at the squire and craft item

[brave crater]

cuz is like new week, and last time new quests was at 00.00 of new day

[cosmic swan]

Ok, then it should be tomorrow then. You're one day too early

[novel pawn]

Broh I hate dealing with Rangers, why are they allowed to have legs that move faster than like anyone? Make them slower than a barbarian!

[winter sinew]

i finished all quests in armorer but no rubysilver craft?

[quaint hull]

guys are boots with 14 movespeed valuable

[plain stag]

Looks like they go around 400 gold for that stat

[quaint hull]

oh wow :DD lucky me. Too bad im f2p, maybe in the future when i buy the game i can sell it

[novel pawn]

You can always use them, but very risky, but the movespeed is always nice.

[cosmic swan]

The bow are part of the weapon that have the more move speed penalty of the game. If the ranger are fast it's because they have Agility and Dexterity (so item swap) as main stat and light armor. They have low strengh (so damage) and Vigor (so HP). If you reach a Ranger he's dead. You can't make him slow, with no damage, no hp and no armor

[plain stag]

Ok, can you do what you did here, but on warlock? How is warlock balanced.

[novel pawn]

Yeah fair, I'm just salty cause one snuck up on me and shot 3 arrows in my ass then killed me before I could get some swings in as bard.

[cosmic swan]

I totally agree with you, Warlock is broken. They have damage, and speed, and HP (thx to lifesteal)

[sonic walrus]

why is this deeper dungeon gate not opening wtf

[novel pawn]

To also be fair, I don't think Solo Bard is the best for HR grinding, but it's my favorite class so I'm making it work

[cosmic swan]

They open at 2-3 min left on the timer

@novel pawn Not the best but he's good

[astral schooner]

do highroller matchmaking get you a match with same rank (adventure point) or random

[short cove]

are there really only 2 rubysilver nodes in inferno?

[cosmic swan]

Random

@short cove No there is several room with Rubysilver. Maybe some layout have less than other but I think there is always at least 2 room with 2-3 node

[hearty star]

Just did a duo goblin caves went against a team that they both had 400 gs when me and my duo each had 8gs... what is this?

[novel pawn]

I do want to keep trying to grind, but man maybe this heatwave + frustration is not making me have fun. I blame the heat more than anything tbh, I heard that Ranger and was just hoping he wouldn't go to me

[cosmic swan]

In Highroller?

[vapid arch]

if its in HR there's no split lobbies based on gear score

[hearty star]

wasnt hr

[plain stag]

After playing against and as most classes, I feel each are a little OP in their own right, except maybe wizard. I don't think I've died to a wizard more than once (learned their point blank missiles does a lot) and their PvE is terrible. In PvP they seem pretty bad unless geared to the moon and back.

Warlock seems problematic in the opposite way, even more so after playing it. Incredibly strong and easy PvE, and very good PvP

[novel pawn]

I miss when Magic Missle was the PvE shredder it was.

[astral schooner]

[red matrix]

bard should have an ability to play the next song silently

[reef solstice]

What are the 4 best druid perks? They all seem kinda weak

[vapid arch]

that's when it was the pvp shredder too

[plain stag]

My ideal patch would be: wizard buff, warlock nerf, druid adjustment.

[balmy minnow]

nah dude. i wanna know what the bard doing.

[cosmic swan]

Doing music? Silently?

[red matrix]

30s cd, single song

[reef solstice]

No

[novel pawn]

Honestly, I wish I could prepare more songs on Bard, maybe then I could pick up a Lute too

[thin coral]

nah bards gotta be loud and proud or it dont work

[sonic walrus]

deeper dungeons are NOT worth it. me and my mate went in almost died several times and got only green and grey shit. horrible choice to go deeper

[reef solstice]

It's where gold spawns

[red matrix]

just a single song, bard cast loads

[cosmic swan]

xD It's hard, yes but it's also the place where you have the better loot. Just be patient, learn how this place work and you'll see

[reef solstice]

There I'd also quests down there

[sonic walrus]

we got green and grey shit. we dropped better shit before entering and we got even worse loot. was better in the playtests ojng

[red matrix]

would make stealth song and buff ganking viable

[cosmic swan]

The drop rate is the same than first floor. But you have way more big chest and the reward of the middle room

[sonic walrus]

absolutely horrible not worth it honestly

[reef solstice]

And gold only spawns on inferno floor

[cosmic swan]

Wrong, not anymore. Only rubysliver in Hell now. The Gold is found in the room between Troll and Cylops when you kill both

@sonic walrus Well my advice would be to stick to first floor until you are very confortable with the game. You can even try to play in Highroller just to get used to Elite (red) and Nigthmare (Black) monster. Then go again in Hell, but take your time clear it safely

[novel pawn]

I still need to go into Hell on bard and my other stuff to kill dogs, berserkers and centuars. I got the bats though, very easily with shriek song.

[sonic walrus]

what do u mean gold 💀 i can get gold anyway what 💀 i can get gold no matter where i go

[reef solstice]

That's annoying. I can't kill those bosses so guess never getting.

Smith gold ore

[pliant kite]

If you need it for quest, you can pay someone to carry you in duo

[balmy cliff]

the quest of the 5 blue weapons, is there any way to select the weapons I want to give him? because I have several blue weapons that I don't want him to take them.

[vagrant mantle]

Is there a way to mine Ruby without going to Hell in Castle?

[reef solstice]

Yes drsg and drop onto

[sonic walrus]

i literally have been playing since the first playtest 💀 i know what im doing, they just completely fucked hell, they ruined everything that was good about it

[sweet crag]

I wish they lowered the rotation time to like 1 min or something man

[sharp stream]

Can anyone tell me how to migrate from chaf games to steam?

[balmy cliff]

how to? i open the quest and can't see my inventory

[cosmic swan]

"me and my mate went in almost died several times" If that happen sry but you'r not ready. So read my advice again

[spare elbow]

I think it checks your inventory from top left and works its way right and down. So put the ones you want gone in too left of first tab

[reef solstice]

Have in stash you can have stash open

[dense yew]

How do I migrate from blacksmith to steam?

[balmy cliff]

thanks

[cosmic swan]

#q-and-a message

@sharp stream You can't right now, there's a bug for the migration from chaf to steam. They're aware of it and working on it

[reef solstice]

Go to game settings and link option. It has step by step instruction

[brave crater]

oh oke

[stable sundial]

Does anyone else believe the amount of nightmare spawns is a bit excessive on high roller? Everytime I que for high roller i feel like I get spawned with 4 nightmare variant mobs and get overwhelmed easily by them. I know I'm suppose to take them on one at a time but some spawn locations do not allow that luxury.