game-discussion

[warm tendon]

I get that but there must be a counter play right? When I'm in the boss room, door opens, arrows start flying at me. Do I just give up?

Phatomize works well (to an extend, if they close the door you are dead) in this situation, but its completely useless against a fighter, who will run in the game after.

[brazen mason]

Demon form is rough to play with. I’m no warlock player but I have seen many do well with torture mastery, dark bolt, curse, phantomize against most classes

[warm tendon]

I'm back on curse-lock now, trying to make that work. Issue remains tho, fighter just Sprints at you and it's over. Not just fighters, most classes can actually just run at you while you are casting and 2 tap you. Curses have very little base damage even with good gear.

[cosmic swan]

Try flame walker phantomize maybe

[warm tendon]

Both got nerfed it's trash IMO. All melee classes will just stand in the flames and wait for Phantomize to stop and then just KO you.

[cosmic swan]

Well play an other class then, if you've tried every build and it don't suit you maybe warlock is not for you

[warm tendon]

I play other classes too, just looking for a way to make the warlock viable in solos.

[cosmic swan]

Then try #warlock they're the pro

[warm tendon]

It says No-Access, what is it?

[cosmic swan]

On top of the channel list you have a role & channel tab you can pick a class and get acced to a channel

[warm tendon]

Oh.. Alright, thank you, will give that a go.

[cosmic swan]

Np 👍

[vagrant furnace]

Yall crying about 100g ante is nutty. You guys only looting arrows and bolts or something?

[bitter citrus]

you need to be faster. solos is about move speed. being able to kite melee classes and dodge ranged ones is important.

warlock can heal lickety split so being able to disengage for even a few seconds is good

[warm tendon]

Getting move speed doesn't help in my opinion, other classes will do the same and you're back to square one, building movespeed instead of say PDR just makes you even weaker to your counters; ranger and fighter.

[eternal wedge]

how do you get the 5th extra stash tab?

[cosmic swan]

It's a quest from the Tavern master

[bitter citrus]

sounds like you have everything under control then. good luck!

[warm tendon]

Not at all, but thanks.

[bitter citrus]

Weird that you would ask for advice then say "nah fuck dat" after getting it. Pdr doesn't help if they just kite you around or have better pdr and vigor to just stat check you. Watch any top tier solo lock. You can't touch them because they are fast.

[stable echo]

Flamewalker is unfortunately awful I could never get it to do any dmg. I had a rouge get stuck in a bear trap and I phantom Flamewalker on him while he was in the trap and he didn’t die. Also in MC I would go fire mastery and stack true dmg and try to get it to work but still couldn’t

[vapid arch]

Flamewalker isn't going to one-shot anyone, that would be stupid

Warlocks about a culmination of various dps spells to wittle down an opponent while also healing off of it

And using phantomise to space or boc to close out the fight in melee

[warm tendon]

I did not mean to come across like that, the reason I "nah F datted" it was because no matter how much move speed I build I will never be faster than sprint. I'm going to build an all movespeed set now and see how I like it.

[bitter citrus]

Use phantomize when they sprint. I know i'm just busting ur ballz lol. No hard feelings. Also doesn't need to be full on move speed. Just fast enough to outrun clerics and fighters and barbs without sprint/rage.

[stoic fog]

june 7 new season?

[warm tendon]

I cannot really out run them, as I'm in the boss room most of the time when I need to fight. I saw someone else mention to open the doors before hand, I used to to that but stopped because rogues could sneak in that way.

[vapid arch]

Yes

[stoic fog]

and did they say anything about steam release? or summer games fest?

[bitter citrus]

kite 'em in circles around the room and if it's a ranger just full on aggro and hope you can dodge the arrows. rogue, idk just have to merc them before they merc you

[vapid arch]

Your best bet is that situation is to draw them in while trying to hit them with curses then cast flame walker and phantomise to the door they came through

Or if you're close enough just go through the other door

Warlock is about winning the war of attrition as a spellcaster

You need to be able to space with high move speed and hit curses

[warm tendon]

If only I could bring 10 spells and phantomize.

[vapid arch]

It will eventually return to steam and is set to come to epic games first, but there's no date yet

[cosmic swan]

Yes

[stoic fog]

thank you very much . then i guess i need the launcher again for the new season

[vapid arch]

Curse of weakness, life drain, hydra, flamewalker, dark bolt

I'm not a warlock expert but that's the setup you usually see with solo warlocks

[warm tendon]

Curse of weakness? really?

[vapid arch]

Curse of pain mb

The one that just does damage, not the one that gives them strength

[warm tendon]

I see, so only one curse?

[vapid arch]

Yeah you don't need the one that gives strength or the one that reduces all attributes

You can either keep spamming curse of pain and keep resetting the timer while also dealing the initial damage or hit them with dark bolt

I think dark bolt does more damage but it also isn't hit scan

[bitter citrus]

dark bolt also has significantly more range. that'll be your "arrow" attack. you can poke rangers with it from afar.

[vapid arch]

You probably shouldn't be fighting rangers at great distances but yeah

[warm tendon]

That doesn't work, I've tried in the past, range just moves out of the way and the bolt has such a big hitbox they do not even have to be fully behind cover and the bolt will already hit on a door frame or what not.

[bitter citrus]

yes should def try to avoid that but if the need for ranged combat arises. that's something the cleric is missing.

[brave storm]

anyone know when exactly wipe is?

[bitter citrus]

yea but they moved behind cover making it harder to shoot at you

instead of you walking by and getting tee'd off on

[warm tendon]

True, valid point.

[vapid arch]

You shouldn't play to other players strengths, only to your own

[forest cape]

did ap ranks close?

[warm tendon]

Yes this season has ended and leaderboards are closed.

[vapid arch]

Ranked season is over

[forest cape]

oh sweet thanks!

[bitter citrus]

that definitly isn't the fighting style, just a tool. use cop and hydra and life

[vapid arch]

Either first or last hours of the 7th, probably first hours of the 8th depending on time zones

[cosmic swan]

In 4 day 4 hour 40 minute and 25 sec

[short rose]

Any news on epic games release?

[eternal wedge]

What are the best ways to get ale in castle?

[winter anchor]

did anyone elses rank reset to unranked for some reason?

[warm tendon]

The season has ended and the leaderboards are closed, new seasons starts in roughly 4-5 days.

[jaunty coral]

does rogue hide still is broken and you can see him?

[timid sky]

yes hide still bugged by weapon effects but no hotfix. they dgaf. bug must've been reported hundreds of times by now.

[cosmic swan]

I guess they're waiting to fix several thing. or focus on the change made on the test server. Or will fix it with the wipe

[calm jolt]

For the quest, it doesn't need to be a castle (at least for beer part), beer drops from chests - reinforced chests have higher drop chance

[merry helm]

hi guys what do u think will be the most op class after wipe?

[calm jolt]

I am betting on fighter if changes to movespeed from test server will be applied. Just my opinion.

[cosmic swan]

Unfortunately I think you'r right, if they don't nerf/rework Sprint the meta will be PDR fighter who run on you with max ms

[rare venture]

I still can't believe there are not unequip timers, pulling your pants off mid run is such a stupid mechanic.

[cosmic swan]

True

[calm jolt]

And speed penalty for the time of action. Not advocating for realism, but the fact that you can pull off plate pants during run is hilarious :>

[gilded prairie]

I've been asking for a sprint nerf for forever. Make it like bread and give it 4 charges, then have them regen through campfires or sitting

[cosmic swan]

If it's like bread it don't regen at campfire (That could be cool tho)

[limber atlas]

fuck high roller antes

[gilded prairie]

I just meant like bread the way it has X amount of charges

[analog copper]

whats the new dagger and is it in the main or test server?

[gilded prairie]

Not sure why they'd add an ante so close to wipe. The lobbies in HR are already so dead. I'd rather have nakeds than nothing

[cosmic swan]

There's a new shield, i'm not sure about a new dagger

[analog copper]

it's a sail dagger/dagger with the shield on it, no?

[cosmic swan]

It's a shield that have a riposte yes. There is like an hidden blade in it who's released when you riposte

[cursive shuttle]

How the heck do you chat other people? We are back in lobby and someone from the game we were just in somehow messaged him through lobby chat.

[stable echo]

a low hp character like rouge sitting in a beartrap and getting walked on with flamewalker and they live that is crazy. flamewalker is legit a bait spell, i use it to scare people but anyone good at the game just runs through it and murders you

[woeful plume]

Nothing yanks a person out of their dungeon crawling experience like having to pay an ante as if it's some kind of haunted house or something.

[vapid arch]

Again, warlock is a dps character
If flamewalker instantly killed someone who walked through it then it'd be ridiculous
I regularly get around 120hp with my rogue kit and currently have 130
Bear trap and flamewalker definitely won't kill

[stable echo]

I agree it shouldnt kill someone but the fact that someone can live while taking beartrap dmg and flamewalker dmg just shows the spell is bad. It honestly is not good for dmg and is just better at scaring people who dont know that it doenst do any meaningful dmg

[vapid arch]

Anyone that isn't fighter or barb is going to take a chunk of damage engaging on a warlock if they get hit by curse of pain and have to walk through flames

Phantomise will then allow you to reposition/stall or boc with shadow touch will allow you to finish the fight in melee

Flamewalker shouldn't be on the same level as something like a direct fireball

[sonic loom]

I still get 2 hit as fighter against curse of pain

[vapid arch]

Then you're playing slayer or full pdr

Or fighting the most juiced warlocks in the game

[fathom thorn]

anyone else notice that in main menu when youre the new frost skeleton skin it shows your additional and true damage properly in the characters details where primary weapon is but when you switch to any other skin it doesnt show your addition and true untill youre in game

[eternal wedge]

If I’m trying to min max my ale looting speed, what’s the strats? What maps, where do they drop, etc

[cosmic swan]

Small/medium bronze chest and Large wooden chest on frost cavern

[austere geyser]

mic isnt working in game any solutions ??

[warped raft]

just watched a barb kill almost an entire lobby, nope nothing broken there at all lol

[gilded prairie]

I've seen rogues, wizards, bards, fighters, all do the same thing, to be fair

[warped raft]

recently, i doubt it..to be fair

[gilded prairie]

Yes recently.

[warped raft]

so you seen all those other classes wipe rooms recently lol

[gilded prairie]

Yes.

[warped raft]

prob in the same order too LMAO, going up hill both ways as well

[worn jetty]

there is a nexon spy in the company i 100% actually believe it at this point, just puting this here to refer to in the future when it gets revealed

[burnt marlin]

Is update #6 just bug fixes or did they add some extra stuff to the test server?

[ebon jolt]

so when is hide bug fix?

[high sapphire]

yeah fr. i laughed so hard when i saw someone walking in hide with purple hands

[royal canopy]

Oh I thought they were hackers lmao, didn't realize there was such a game breaking bug for rogues

[high sapphire]

i wonder if poison does too

[brazen sonnet]

does someone know a content creator or someone i can give a pulverizing prayer to? I dont want it to go to waste

[dawn vale]

im a content creator

[remote scaffold]

Anyone else here having a problem with the score board not showing there rank or confirming there seasonal rewards?

[vestal falcon]

Should show at the bottom left hand side

[eternal wedge]

they brought back hr admission fee??

[vestal falcon]

Yes 100 gold

[eternal wedge]

thats painful

[vestal falcon]

I believe it's just till wipe I can give you gold if you need it lmao

[eternal wedge]

you dont need to im just whining about extra costs

[vestal falcon]

Yeah not sure why they did that to be honest

[eternal wedge]

especially with leaderboard being gone the hr cost is just going to make even less people go hr

hr is already kind of dead

[vestal falcon]

Yeah I think the last 5 days 3verything should cost 1 gold and people play with legendary kits

[remote scaffold]

Yea it does but not in the middle of the screen it also doesn't confirm my season rewards

[mossy moat]

Anyone know how much I can sell this for?

[eternal wedge]

what is "this"

[wraith mantle]

also, trying to sell things 5 days before wipe

[bitter citrus]

it's actually a couple of these as opposed to just this

[deep galleon]

Y'know I really want to support Ironmace through this game's development but they're REALLY making it hard to do that with how moronic their changes have been.

[flint latch]

Add ruins back

[formal moon]

Ya, i started in PT one and basically don't know why i'm still here. IM has completely changed the goal of the game and fumbled every system and what kills me the most. Is they could have just waited and delayed to make something not laughably bad and would have been better off fore it

[frozen umbra]

is us west lagging for anyone else

[high sapphire]

PLEASE

[quaint anvil]

how does buyback service work? does the hell portion have to end as well before i can buy back?

[subtle heart]

yes

[frozen umbra]

I love you

[jaunty topaz]

Does luck potions make it harder or easier to find kobold ears? I assume since Kobold Ears are common they become more rare with higher luck

[hearty rampart]

Yes, luck potions reduce the chance of white tier items.

[craggy relic]

yea nice so a server got ddos atacked which kicked my friend and he lost all his bis gearnice one devs keep reducing ur player base

[subtle heart]

server gets ddos's
blame devs
?
profit $$$

[brave spear]

You’re very intelligent huh

[craggy relic]

blow me tbh

[brave spear]

Just proving my point lmao

[craggy relic]

yea and ur proving my 16 incher lmao

[brave spear]

Ah I’m talking to a child, got it. Should’ve guessed when you blamed the devs when the server got ddos attacked lul

[mossy wing]

Can we not make comments like this in the future, please 🙂

[dark hare]

every lobby is dead

why is no one playing

[glad light]

why leaderboard is block? no more ap?

[dark hare]

nope

[glad light]

fck broooo just come of break days i'm not demigod Sooooooooo sad wtf 3day left

need ap pts!!!! 😢

[nimble parcel]

Unfortunately the rank tracking ended a few days ago

[vapid arch]

End of wipe, no one cares anymore

People might be saving all their artifacts and best gear till last day

[glad light]

Yeah really sad not demigod this season 😢

no frozen potion for me!

[nimble parcel]

Me neither

[glad light]

[lost lagoon]

[formal moon]

Don't worry. Game is getting killed by devs. So no one will see the skins anyway

[digital dock]

I would like to have the ability to trade in my blue shards for red shards at a 2 to 1 ratio

[loud silo]

yeah bro, next we should be able to trade up monoploy cash into real cash. I mean, a 10 to 1 sounds fair, right?

[digital dock]

i would be ok with 10 to 1

[blazing latch]

The devs need to sell more red shards to fund development

[spare elbow]

There is a wipe soon right?

[wheat flax]

nope

[mossy wing]

Yes sir, wipe is 7th of June

[ebon jolt]

I don't mind it but who cared HR was free

[ruby mural]

Why not the government practically does the same thing

[long compass]

does anybody know what the most played duo map is?

[viscid atlas]

anyone else game client completely fked

[golden condor]

Anyone know when it’s wiping ?

Or had it already wiped ? On the 1st of June

[mossy wing]

7th June sir 🙂

[vapid arch]

Definitely not goblin caves

[leaden salmon]

i just had an insane idea to make longsword/other weapons more meta relevant

sort of like how the skins are with giving an additional stat, but taking away 1. "+1 wep dmg - 3 movespeed"

could 2handed weapons have different stances added that give similar buff/nerfs

aggressive stance/neutral stance/defensive stance
could maybe give a bit more depth to these weapons that aren't really being used at all

[mild zenith]

hey do the mobs have more hp on the test server

[cursive shuttle]

What day is wipe? The 7th?

[mossy wing]

The 7th sir 🙂

[cursive shuttle]

Sweet. Thank you!

Do we know status on the ruins map at all?

[eternal wedge]

how does the the goblin merchant's dungeon recovery work right now? what are the requirements, what stuff can be salvaged, etc?

[cursive shuttle]

Curious about this myself.

[mossy wing]

Last i heard it was still be reworked but had been pushed back for other higher priority objectives, but the rework is still on-going for now

[cursive shuttle]

Dang. Okay, thank you.

[cerulean prism]

Anyone got any idea on wipe date?

[cosmic swan]

June 7th

[cerulean prism]

ong>

[jade nexus]

I would say that giving us back 25% of our maps should be the highest priority

Like we only have 3 maps right now, really would like that #4 instead of a new zombie skin

[mossy wing]

Yes i also wouldn't mind another map of course, but this is the information that is present at this time 🙂

[jade nexus]

Fair enough, speaking of the zombie skin, will the -5% action speed have any negative effects on casters? I'm thinking it sounds good for them

[brisk mason]

Its really broken for casters.

These devs need to stop putting stats on skins

[mossy wing]

I'm not sure tbh, the stat system confuses me at the best of times xD

[jade nexus]

I'm fine with it as long as they don't make it p2w @brisk mason
Lol same @mossy wing

[mossy wing]

I don't think thats the right name xD

[snow summit]

https://tenor.com/view/uuh-cat-funny-cats-uhh-gif-5575392758585270122

[mossy wing]

[jade nexus]

mb lol

[abstract ingot]

is druid coming to live with twipe

[brisk mason]

I mean the zombie skin is op for casters and horrid for phys characters.

No reason a skin should be like that. You shouldnt get punished or buffed for wearing something you like

[brazen gate]

any idea if friend takes in kobold ears and I get it will it be handled or will it count for quest?

[glacial elbow]

why are all of my solo lobbies empty? HR under 300 and over 300. do i need to change servers? i play NAW

[gilded prairie]

NA East usually has more players than West

[untold otter]

is hr rank bugged or can you not get any higher than ur current rank anymore?

[wheat fractal]

No it won't

[zealous chasm]

Limit Pots and Bands to 1 Each!!!

[subtle robin]

when is wipe?

[hallow reef]

Idk why they would change the High roller entry fee back

[zealous chasm]

Yeah, no sense in going in there.

[mossy wing]

7th June sir

[zealous chasm]

Everyone is going to play Hell Divers 2 on June 7th. hmmmm

[jade nexus]

29 people total on test server rn

[formal moon]

Whole game is a test server

[shadow bough]

Have they updated their policy on Preteaming?

[brisk mason]

what would they update about it? its still bannable

[shadow bough]

Hard stance on bans, theres a lot of Preteaming in OCE/SEA Hr still. Im sure they are hesitant to lower their playercount, but whats the point of playing a match if the whole lobby is already in discord zzzz

[glossy swallow]

games trash and beyond fixing

[shadow bough]

As for what the Devs can do next wipe, There were talks of removing the pre lobby phase and changing gathering halls to take place of that. Althought knowing IM something would break in the process

[hushed shell]

seeing as it seems no one wants to talk about this, its an awesome idea, and obviously the devs dont hate researching medieval weapon tactics, as seen with the longsword riposte, but it would be a lot of work]

[pastel dagger]

Ironmace is trying to make changes to my PC but malwarebytes is saying theres a trojan?? is this just me?

[shadow bough]

Not just you, haven't encountered a firewall or windows defender notif, but a lot of other people have constant crashing or error issues

[pastel dagger]

yea when i go to play the game it pops up saying ironmace needs to make changes to my PC. But malware says there 2 trojans in the files i guess.

btw its in the test server update im pretty sure, according to my pc/malwarebytes

well i deleted everything and redownloaded. still same thing, malwares saying it has 2 trojans in it. seems like its the main game not the test server. idk what to do, can malware be wrong, i havent downloaded anything recently. any advice would be lovely

[tacit phoenix]

was wipe supposed to be today

[graceful storm]

when wipe

[pseudo coyote]

Rapier needs a riposte (as long as other hand is empty)

[leaden salmon]

yeah i feel it would be a lot to animate/balance/code. i was down the youtube rabbithole and got to hema/longsword documentary. really opened my eyes to how 1 sided LS is in dark, and how much of an all around weapon it can be used as. im not a fighter or LS user, but i maybe would be if things like this could be implimented

[graceful storm]

you will be able to parry with the new shield and a rapier in the other hand

[hushed shell]

maybe not a riposte, i think a slight stun against other weapons if you hit a very tight window or smth

[hushed shell]

hema is very cool and will definitely change the way you understand weapon fighting in the same martial arts changes how you would view unarmed combat

theres so much depth

[elfin fern]

@flint breach NOOOOO NOT LITENEEN STOORIKU

so if bangles arent going to be the focus of ap, are they going to greatly raise their gold worth while increasing the ap worth of extracted gear? otherwise it makes no sense to carry bangles at all if players end up just focusing on market value of gear

[digital robin]

fighter adrenaline rush seems to be doing massive damage for no reason

[lilac willow]

y ois there a way to report tkers

[distant bay]

its not against the rules

[distant bay]

the reason red names are given is to stop people from hanging with them.

[lilac willow]

s otheres no repurcusions at all great game right here

[main karma]

no. there are reprocussions. you just faced them. you played with a RED NAME. clearly outlined red for a reason. and your lack of judgement got you killed. sounds like cause and effect.

[lilac willow]

1 not redname 2 doesnt show anything cus u can jsut ask people o give u red like wat?

and its not on every acc so he could jsut switch charecters or make a new one????

great system right there

[main karma]

tkers get downvoted. sure a group of friends can give you a red or blue name after a few hors of playing, but theres nothing stopping that name from going red again. he tks often? probably gonna go red. got tk'd by a grey? downvote and move on. kinda part of the immersion of "entering a dungeon with people you dont know." maybe go read or watch Solo Leveling. lmao

[lilac willow]

crazy but this isnt fucking solo leveling its like a game where u expect team work if they wanted to be realistic u wouldent respawn u wouldent talk with discord which is basicaly telepathy if its being realistic and i wouldent be able to change races so ur argument is jsut invalid

[gilded prairie]

Just gonna throw this direct quote here

" Abusing the LFG channels in order to team-kill fellow players is a bannable offense. Video evidence must be provided showing the act took place and users together in the voice channels.

Also please do not stir up conflict with users here in these channels, contact a member of staff if there is a problem thank you. "

[lilac willow]

its not conflict jsut a argument

[main karma]

guy never said it was a LFG channel. also the idea in this game is to team up with people. sometimes people you dont know. expectations are often the most one sided and misguided thing we have other than our opinions. dont expect.

[gilded prairie]

My point wasn't conflict, my point was that it's a bannable offence for people to go into LFG and then team kill you. Not sure if that's the case, just stating the rules.

[main karma]

see now we're on the same page. provide some evidence and get the dude banned.

[lilac willow]

so dont expect people to hel and not teamkill in a game where teamwork is very importing and @gilded prairie it was in the lfg and how do i contact a staff i thought u wernt suposed to

@main karma but u were saying that its okay because its realistic?

[main karma]

if hes not abusing the LFG, which was not stated prior to a few messages ago, then i would have said its fine. kinda part of the game, overall. also just dont expect anything ever. not even with people you know. play some league of legends and find out how expectations snowball into failure and a fat L. good place to learn.

[gilded prairie]

The #in-game-reports channel should give some clarification on the steps needed to report someone.

Or you can try to contact one of the Tavern Masters to see if they can help

[lilac willow]

ok so thats my bag for not stateing it but i did put it into the lfg so and it shouldent be apart of a game because it ruins the experience and if u go down the realistic route then u have to make everything realistic

[main karma]

lets not start with the bleeding skeletons. xD

[lilac willow]

yea fr

there should jsut be real repruccusions to somebody who tks not jsut a slap on a wrist and a easily removable name that is also for toxic ppl and ect.

[main karma]

yeah i agree some option should be there for people attempting more wholesome play. but its too early for something like that. edit: they're trying to create a fresh game, not polish something finished and include a trasn ending.

[lilac willow]

i mean not rlly cus its been over 2 years of development

[main karma]

it can take over 5 years to make a good game. like an actually good game

[gilded prairie]

We should all be here to help eachother out and to enjoy the game. No big deal if you get upset and need to vent, or need some help figuring out a situation 🙂

That's why I clarified the rules, gave yah the proper channel to report, and now we can all get back to delving those dungeons

[lilac willow]

yes but it wouldent be too hard to fix a pretty simple issue

[main karma]

yep. thanks for the clarification.

[lilac willow]

btw im nbot trying to be rude or anything jsut trying to converse

[main karma]

the issue is moral and a grey area. some people want wholesome. some want the option to kill everyone in their party as well as on the map.

[lilac willow]

but thats why there is a solo gamemode no?

i mean it should atleast be fair if ur fighting

[main karma]

solo isnt enough targets for me tbh

i can kill a solo dungeon myself sometimes. kinda no fun

[lilac willow]

its litterly the same

[gilded prairie]

Some people enjoy the toxicity but it makes the community suffer at the end of the day.

I'll always be a big advocate for a healthy and patient community

[lilac willow]

fr

[main karma]

every situation is a 2v1, and the way you engage has to be well thought out. thats 2 player // your odds of a 3v1 are incredibly slim, so you pick your target, and apply a devicive strategy to either split, or cause panic, so you can kill. thats 3v1

1v1 you run in like a monkey and swing violently, duck occasionally

[lilac willow]

ok but jsut play 1v3 then no need to kill ur teamates that have no chance cus they didnt know?

[gilded prairie]

Trying to understand why people do what they do will only lead us in circles, let's be honest lmao

The wholesome players will never understand the toxic players

[lilac willow]

yea fr ussaly jsut too ass to get gear other ways

[main karma]

thats why philosophy and psychology rarely mix well

[lilac willow]

im honestly not the nicest player but thats jsut scummy

like i shit talk and friendly bannter but snooping that low for a few gearsets is beyond me

[main karma]

if you're high rolling anywhere that isnt with people you know, you're kinda asking for it, in my opinion. the whole "look what you were wearing" does have some basis in this non-rape scenario

[lilac willow]

yo 1 diffrent fucking worlds of scenarios and 2 whats the point of the lfg chats then

[main karma]

1. this isnt r4p3. so my statement stands. look at what you were wearing. 2. he did a dirty. go report him. xD

[lilac willow]

why did u censor it the second time but not the first?

[main karma]

hyphenated is uncensored

[toxic nest]

do you have to kill the boss to use a skull key?

[gilded prairie]

No you do not. Skull Key is bottom room of Ghost King map

[toxic nest]

sick thanku, killed him first time solo and got a key on norms lol

[gilded prairie]

It's often more valuable to sell or trade for artifacts than to use it though

Skull key is roughly 15k gold and can be used in the Trading Post to buy artifacts off players

[lilac willow]

@toxic nest im guessing ur decently new so i would jsut sell it for like 15k and buy kits and get better before useing a unique but thats just imo

[toxic nest]

for sure, i'm not terribly new ive just been self taught on solo lol haven't found people to play with

[lilac willow]

im always down to run some so jsut hit me up if u ever tryna game

[gilded prairie]

Go buy yourself a fancy named weapon off the market!

It's the end of wipe; better to have fun with it than anything

[toxic nest]

got myself a kumas the other day, this skull key will go towards the kit for it lol

[gilded prairie]

Hell yeah brother

[main karma]

speaking of wipe. when should i wipe? i pooped like 4 days ago. (whens the wipe)

[gilded prairie]

I just got my Pulverizing Prayer kit set up yesterday. Doing an adequate 260 damage

[cosmic swan]

June 7th

[main karma]

the exact move in date of my new apartment. sexy

[wet kindle]

based

[pure jolt]

Anyone know the best way to farm ale for the quest?

[cosmic swan]

Small/medium bronze chest and Large wooden chest on Frost cavern

[formal moon]

Gonna wipe soon, don't bother

[gilded prairie]

The emote reward from that quest is exclusive to this wipe.

[pure jolt]

Thanks, I heard library in crypts had some sort of guaranteed spawn but it seems like rumors.

[gilded prairie]

It's not guaranteed but it is a pretty high chance

[cosmic swan]

I think it's true, but it's only one and you don't always have the module

But I found at least 1 or 2 by run on frost cavern in the chest

[pure jolt]

Yeah frost cavern seems to have higher than normal amounts, good to know 👍

[cosmic swan]

Good luck

[timid veldt]

@zinc sparrow plz hipe us up with some mini leaks about the new upcoming season:3

[elder orbit]

best duo with a rogue?

[brittle valley]

A rat, like a Druid rat

[zealous chasm]

3 ESP location cheaters in a row, time to hang this up until the wipe and maybe they can lock down the cheaters.

[mental halo]

How do you know people are cheering

Cheating*

[formal moon]

oh no an emote in a game that's dying

[gilded prairie]

Some people want to get it, some people don't. No big deal 🙂

[elder lynx]

When is the next update supposed to drop?

[gilded prairie]

June 7th

[elder lynx]

Tt

[tranquil bay]

Why did they add a fee back to high roller before wipe???

[neat tundra]

Anyone having this lagback issue where ur moving and u start teleporting. to others it looked like you stopped moving

[quick mica]

Game wont launch giving me this error: Failed to update Tavern.exe Access denied to the local file (code:1102)

[neat tundra]

Reinstall the launcher that worked for me

[quick mica]

will try it thanks!

[neat tundra]

Make sure its installed inside a non password protected directory

[quick mica]

I haven't any issues before, I've played a ton. It just randomly kicked me and started giving me the error. But thanks for the heads up

[neat tundra]

Yah iguessed that was the case. When i had an error like that on the launcher i just reinstalled it and it worked. But if u just installed the game the error code is saying taht it cant access the executable and thats usually bc ull accidentally install it inside your root directory or a password protected folder

[quick mica]

Yeah I had to reinstall it in a totally different folder, and now its not giving me the error on install. Appreciate it tons!

[neat tundra]

Did it work?

[strong charm]

i just got kill by 2 players teaming in solo dungeon again....

that's so lame

[rare hinge]

whens wipe?

[hushed shell]

7th

[warped raft]

slow from getting hit needs to be drastically reduced. swinging pdr fighter should not be able to catch you and keep up with you cause they hit you once

[spare wedge]

damn having a hard time gettting ale and ears @_@

[knotty kernel]

slow is fine. It forces you to actually have to take the fight, and is the only mechanic in this game that is anti range and anti movespeed meta

[hushed shell]

for ears just run through rooms without looting

[hushed shell]

agreed

[spare wedge]

i kept doing high roller and kept losing to ppl when i just wanted to loot :[ ill do norms now for these quests

[warped raft]

it should not allow the slowest class to catch someone built for speed. period. they are meant to be slow for a reason

[hushed shell]

yeah, otherwise you have too many priorities to focus on

[knotty kernel]

The problem with that isn't slow on hit though, the problem is sprint. Sprint is what allows the pdr fighter to catch you in the first place. Sprint is op and should be removed from game entirely. It is the most broken skill in the game, we learned that during multiclass when every single class chose it.

[hushed shell]

whats the alternative though? what options are there for fighter to close the game? should all fighteres and barbs constantly have franciscas or a crossbow in fighters case

[warped raft]

dont build pdr if you want to run someone down

[knotty kernel]

Fighter has the most options to close. One you can build slayer fighter and you will have comparable movespeed to speedy classes, with all that extra damage. But for plate fighter or even slayer when you just cant close distance fighter has shields, that allow them to close distance and stay safe. Including the often overlooked and slept on pavise, which allows you to essentially force opponents into a corner. Additionally fighter has access to the crossbow (which I would argue should also be removed from fighter as a base option) which allows them to contest people at range and even kill them with a well placed headshot. Finally Fighter has weapon mastery which allows them to use bows, and thus become a better ranger. PDR fighter with bow is the best class in game, and you can only lose with it if you are bad or significantly gear diffed, and I mean like 10k worth of gear diff.

[hushed shell]

Ive never really built for pdr, but it makes sense that pdr fighter is an issue with ranged. I think there needs to be a significant overhaul to movement penalty/movespeed completely along with the time to kill. I understand why Ironmace is scared of creating ecosystems like mordhau or the less sweaty chiivalry, but I think there needs to be something that allows for skill expression outside of hit shots or smack person in head 3 or 4 times

[knotty kernel]

I'm sorry, but the answer is that there will not be and can not be signifcantly more skill expression in this game than what we have. It just is not built for it. This game is essentially just skyrim with better hitboxes and animations. It will never be a skill based first person hema simulator. If that is what you want, you should really put this game down and go play mordhau or chiv.

The truth is that the combat in this game, is merely the illusion of skill expression, it exists to cover up the fact that the reason you killed the red skele or the lich or that other player is because you dps checked it. This is the fundemental problem many people seem to have, they misunderstand the true nature of this game. In reality its combat is no more complex than final fantasy. It is a pure stat and skill check, just with extra steps to hide the fact that it is.

You need to think of this game more like Skyrim with PVP, than mordhau with mobs.

[hushed shell]

Oh I completely understand that, but I can always wish. I do play chiv and understand intrinsically that this game has not been built to that standard. I can always hope for it though.

I just enjoy my loot goblin itch being fed by a fantasy game instead of a fufturistic or modern setting

[knotty kernel]

I know you might hope for it, but statements like that are actually serious issue. Because the devs actually do listen to them. And most of the changes that have occured during this games development have been towards that very direction. To try and remove the gear diff and stat diffs in the game and try and make it a more skill based experience.

Those changes have been very bad for the game. Is all they have done is remove content, remove build and play style diversity, and more so remove the coat of paint that was covering up this games bare bones combat system. The Movespeed meta we have now is a direct result of the removal of flat damage from items and the more equalized gear curve that created. Without stat checking gear it has become apparent that is actually better to just not wear any gear at all.

[hushed shell]

So you would prefer that the devs never try new thing and innovate a game in early alpha? That statement doesn't sit right with me, as while this season may have been seems as having zero progress that should be alright. They tried things, and it seems understand that before any other big decisions can be met there must be a core balance and concept they keep. Movement speed meta is aggravating, Buff ball comps are aggravating. Plus all attributes are overpowered. Yet the effort is being made to try different things,

If we dont allow ironmace to try different things and advocate to what we want to try in this game, and what we believe is or isnt fun then nothing will happen or improve.

[knotty kernel]

You can implement new features and try new things in a game, without removing or nerfing the old things. That is a possibility.

I'm not claiming that is what they must do, that some things they have in the game aren't overtuned and shouldn't be adjusted. What I am saying is that there are fundamental genre conventions and gameplay mechanics this game relies on for its core game play loop to function. Gutting those fundamentals as IM has done, is more than just "Trying new things". It has caused serious issues with the gameplay, and has actively made this game worse. This game Dark and Darker is in a worse place today, in terms of how enjoyable it is then when early access launched a year ago.

That is also a risk you run when you try new things, things can get worse. as I would argue they have.

[hushed shell]

Then why say statments wishing a game can improve and have some level of skill expression above a "dps skill check"

[runic isle]

Good thing i piled up 31 troll bloods, never thought i'll be selling them 2.3k a piece

[hushed shell]

are harmful towards the devs

Things will always have to get worse if theyre going to work on the essential functionality of combat and player interaction above shiny new cosmetics. They want to do this, they want more draw from having those interactions that makes you feel as a player of understanding the game better, instead of relying upon building gold quickly to purchase and trade for better stats

[gusty narwhal]

Considering it is the problem, they should also remove IronWill, AntiMagic and Robust since those 3 perks were also taken 100% of the time along sprint

[knotty kernel]

I would argue that the only reason "They want to do this" is because they have esesentially been swindled by a vocal minority of the communtiy; primarily on reddit, which doesn't understand why they enjoy the game in the first place, and further doesn't even understand what it is they are disatisfied with at any given time. So IM in an attempt to try and appeal to the their "Players" just kinda started implementing "Suggested" (read as upvoted) changes.

[knotty kernel]

Robust Ironwill and anti magik are strong. But the difference between them and sprint. Is that those perks simply make a class do what it already does better, IE makes barb which already has a ton of health and magic resist just have more health and MR. The issue with sprint is that is allows fighter and actually any class to cover for and in some cases remove its weakness as well as supplement its strengths. Sprint wouldnt be so bad if a class like rogue which was already speedy had it. But it is especially problematic on fighter, or god forbid barb.

[hushed shell]

Stating they follow reddit upvotes, and that those people on reddit cant understand why they enjoy a game or not is extremely arrogant. If you think Ironmace has just been chasing suggestions only because people have made noise online and not in a drive to try and expand the game then I dont get what you want. Would you be more happy to have it stagnant back into this old core of stat checking fights instead of maybe getting an expansion into some more skill expression?

[knotty kernel]

Yes

I have already said above, but I will say again clearly

I would rather they have not realeased a single hotfix or patch since the intital launch of the game last year. And that as a result the game was just as it was upon release.

Now I am not claiming that every single change or addition to the game was bad, or that new content should not have been added to the game. But I am claiming that the sum total of the changes made, have been negative for the game. And that if time could be reversed it would have been better had none been made than we end up with what we have now.

This is common occurance with modern games infact, Devs slowing ruining their games with poor changes. this why we have Runescape Classic, and WOW classic, and Smash Melee. I can only hope we will see Dark and Darker classic soon.

[bleak mural]

player map editor so when the server is down have something to do. all the 'squares' or 'tiles' have the doors in the same location. players could design individual tiles for randomization of the map. maybe an upvote system. maybe take it next level and let us make our own 3x3 labrynth still with a boss on the end.

[warped raft]

doesnt matter what they do, everyone will still just jump on whatever is op or meta like every single other game out there lol every time they do anything that tips the scales in this game its 80% + what you see each map, its not the game that is killing diversity its the players that want easy street

[hushed shell]

You're entitled to your own opinion, everyone is.

[knotty kernel]

You are correct, this is the eternal myth of game balance. There will always be a meta, that is inescapable. But I have learned from my years of gaming that the most fun games also tend to be pretty blatantly unbalanced. What matters is not the meta, but what options the players have. And IM has infact removed many options for different styles of play in their attempt to remove gear and class disparity.

[knotty kernel]

True, but only one persons opinion is right, and that person is me.

[hushed shell]

Gonna hope thats sarcasm. If not goodnight

[warped raft]

the game had a decent balance before they started nerfing certain things that did not need nerfed cause the carebears spoke up. they let W mentality mold too many choices they have made

[knotty kernel]

yep. I defended Barb back when achilles was two shotting people, and wizard could still kill people with fireball splash damage. What is the saying "when everyone is overpowerd no one is".

Hell I will even defend 95% PDR fighter. It wasn't even that strong, You could oneshot them as barb with reckless swing with headshot, let alone if you used magic damage.

[warped raft]

its needs to be no class is 2 shotting anything and go from there, work up not around and down

[hushed shell]

Time to kill. Nothing you can do if you cant fight back

[knotty kernel]

some classes deserve to kill you in one shot. If you let barb catch up to you, you deserve it, That ranger gets the headshot with his windless, he deserved it, You didn't pay attention to the footsteps in the next room over and stepped on the rogue, you deserved it.

[warped raft]

if i want to be deserving of one hit kills ill go play COD, when im fighting someone in this game i would like to actually have a fight not just oh i hit you 1st i win

there is peasant ai that can take more hits than some classes, that should really not be the case lol

the biggest problem i see is there is little to no sacrifice for gain, like a barb should hit hard cause its a barb, but they should not be able to facetank hits or catch a class built for speed unless they outsmart them, like even waiting around a corner and playing roguebarian

fighter can build all tank and still hit like a mack truck, all gain no sacrifice

[knotty kernel]

nerfing the movespeed cap is responsible for this. Barb used to have to run achiles and land a frachisca to catch anyone. Now they get to do it for free because of movespeed cap nerf.

Fighter has just always been best class in the game with no actual weaknesses, but SDF mains fighter so that problem never did and never will go away.

[warped raft]

yea the ms cap was def a carebear complaint

[limber jolt]

Exactly, what's the point of all the skills, perks and equipment if you end up dying with one or two hits? It's not COD. For now this game makes little sense.

[signal mango]

warlock is a class in the game

[dire sky]

Does pestillence dmg scale with magical power?

[vestal falcon]

You are insane fighters die from magic damg in 2 secs

[vapid arch]

Fighters can get really high mr with dark plate, dashing boots, and dark leather leggings

[vestal falcon]

Still the weakest class to MR in the game

[vapid arch]

Have you ever taken a fireball to the face as rogue

[vestal falcon]

It's a rogue anything hitting you going to deal alot of damg rogue has many other options of play because of that

[vapid arch]

I don't see how that's relevant to rogue having the least Mr and least options for it but ok

Ranger as well but being ranger they kind of counter warlock and wizard

[vestal falcon]

Rogue can 3 shot anyone if they stack true damg same with a ranger you said fighter has no counter and is best class in the game I disagree with that statement. Barb is better then a fighter IMO warlocks kill fighters 80 percent of the time and the current meta of the game your better playing a class that stacks true damg like ranger or rouge

[brazen finch]

is nobody playing howling crypts? Just a few every game or even empty

[vapid arch]

I never said fighter is the best class I just said it has options for mr

[vestal falcon]

Legit how the conversation started look above at the first post

"nerfing the movespeed cap is responsible for this. Barb used to have to run achiles and land a frachisca to catch anyone. Now they get to do it for free because of movespeed cap nerf.

Fighter has just always been best class in the game with no actual weaknesses, but SDF mains fighter so that problem never did and never will go away."

[wheat flax]

fighters not the best class though

[vestal falcon]

I'm aware lmao

[heady trench]

Can we still quest until wipe?

[cosmic swan]

Yes

[quick spoke]

fighter buys gear for 2k and is 60% pdr tanky af, with sprint cap move speed its just another overpowerd class thats not getting touched by devs

[formal moon]

Well because the leadership at IM is dumb

[timid sky]

I agree sprint needs to be tuned but kitted warlocks in solos/duos are far scarier than an equally geared fighter IMO. the damage output on Curse of pain from stacking 10+ true damage is just broken due to the way it boosts both the direct damage and DOT on CoP. Every kitted lock is currently running the same build (hydrain, flamewalker, CoP, bolt). Spam hydra at every turn to flush or block, flamewalk + phantomize when pushed, and otherwise just spam CoP or bolt depending on distance

[formal moon]

Ya, because the game at its core is not built to facilitate solos / duos. So balance will never happen and the OP classes will not be able to receive nerfs

[past light]

Wish me and 2 friends knew this game was going F2P when we bought it like 3 weeks ago...

[spice shard]

NICE CHANGES

[limber void]

removing the zone from maps, bro... I wish they would stop trying to appease this smoothbrain playerbase

[abstract ingot]

lmao why f2p? never bodes well for longevity

[limber void]

they have no idea what game they're making

[flat mountain]

the only good change they've made in years

[near reef]

wait, f2p? do i need a subscription to play now?

[flat dawn]

wait so from now on theres gunna be no difference between standard and hold the line editions?

[pseudo glacier]

S-Shared S-STASH????

[stoic fog]

dark and darker goes f2p?

[flat dawn]

yeah this is insane cant wait

[clear blade]

F2P = More hackers? no?

[charred junco]

hold the line is going away, everyone who has paid for the game in some way will get the rewards they talked about
hold the line people are still keeping their extra cosmetics

[vapid arch]

why are they removing plus all 3 days before wipe?

[abstract siren]

Circle removal is stupid. Circles force fights. And if you don’t want to fight then guess what, this game isn’t for you.

[spare elbow]

[brazen grail]

Was F2P ever on the radar? Without knowing any numbers, this sort of feels like a life support decision.

[spring sable]

the circle removal and stat changes are a little bit scary but lets see how it goes i guess. i also hope the game doesnt get overtaken by bots with F2P

[spice shard]

Points of interest should force fights, not a random swarm of locusts

[covert mist]

if the shirtless man running at 330 with his axe out catches you, you deserve to get 1 hit?

[covert mist]

go play fortnite

[pseudo glacier]

F2P definitely comes out of left field. I miss when they posted game telemetrics, those were great.

[abstract siren]

If you don’t wanna pvp get out

[brazen grail]

Don't be that guy.

[abstract siren]

All this circle change is gonna do is encourage ratting to just loot a corner of the map and escape

Same as how ice caves is now. Easy money? Easy loot? Ice caves and wait till static opens

[covert mist]

90% of my goblin caves escapes were tanking the circle and walking to a static blue

even with the circle in, people would just rat and hide in the swarm

[abstract siren]

Yep just proves the point that now it’ll be worse

[wary horizon]

Added the free-to-play feature. Upgrading to Legendary Status will be locked for a few days as we ready the new season.

[brazen grail]

What's the issue, exactly? They're not getting PVP experience or engaging in its high-risk high-reward nature.

[wary horizon]

Cheaters gonna be rampant this season....

[dense kernel]

You dudes ready for the 24 hour patch?

[covert mist]

at least they can only play normals

[lunar summit]

Free to play will only really increase Cheaters in normals only which hardly matters for losing progress.

[wary horizon]

I ONL PLAY NORMALS, its actually fun unlike high roller

[covert mist]

"Normals" or baby mode as it actually should be called, nothing normal about it

[wary horizon]

Normal is a fair game, high roller is meta staks, it aint fun

[abstract ingot]

are refunds availible now its f2p

[brazen grail]

Is your whole personality gatekeeping?

[lunar summit]

Normals is great for new players to get a feel for the game or for PvP practice will no gear commitment

[worldly owl]

yall havin issues trading shit to merchs i have to left click 20x times to get stuff to move

[covert mist]

people who want "normals" to be solo self found instead of a normal version of the game are the gate keepers

imagine having to pay 100g to use any gear in the dungeon

[spice shard]

f2p seems very limited, so a refund seems unlikely

[lunar summit]

100 gold is nearly nothing now unless they change drop rates / sell values

[covert mist]

does not matter to me, it's contrived

[lunar summit]

I don’t like it either but I doubt i will even notice it

[near reef]

so, asking again, does this mean, that since ive bought the game back on its release day, do i now need a sub to play?

[covert mist]

dont think so

[abstract ingot]

steam release over f2p

[nova fox]

no sub from what i have read

[cold spire]

Bro read. You still have the game just changed the name of the edition

[formal moon]

Game didn't cost money when it was on steam

[serene mesa]

£30 a month just to maintain my legendary status. nice!

[crimson yew]

@zinc sparrow LET US SEE RANDOM STATS WHEN WE CRAFT ITEMS!!! Last wipe even noobs could have good gear bcs of it

[near reef]

if its a monthly sub the games going in the bin, dont care if i bought it or not, im not paying a sub to an extraction fighter, might as well go back to Tarkov at that point.

[snow inlet]

bro all i want is account wide quests and ruins back i miss ruins

[formal moon]

IM puts another nail in the coffin for literally no reason

[frosty sphinx]

what you capping about?

[serene mesa]

it turns out I have believed mis information

[frosty sphinx]

its okay ❤️

[nocturne jolt]

Bro, the lack of any form of secure container in this game is making me lose my fucking mind, I don't know how many more times I can hop into a raid willingly just to waste my time and get zero progress on anything

[cursive vale]

dont die

[cold spire]

why would it be a monthly sub, where is this even implied in the announcement? They added a free to try not actual f2p

[nocturne jolt]

Cool thanks, I tried that but I'm not great at it

would love if I could play for a while and not feel like I am exactly where I fucking started the day

[formal moon]

Secure container is P2W. Pass

[elfin fern]

what is a secure container

[nova fox]

basically a bag you can put stuff in and even if you die in raid you come out with that stuff

[fathom quail]

It'd be cool if we could see what the balance changes were 🙂

[elfin fern]

protect item prayer!

[cosmic swan]

HR wasn't fun because of people with optimized gear, who can 2 shot you and make you lose a kit that took you time to build. And if you read the rest of the patch note, they reduce how powerful the gear is, increased the hp, remove/nerf the most op stat (like +all and true/additionnal) so imo HR will be more balanced this season (hopefully they'll also work around GBMM and do one more level like 0-200 / 200-400 / 400+ or something like that)

[nova fox]

that is a more interesting thought than a secure container for this game imo

[formal moon]

This is going to make fighter wiz/lock/barb the only playable classes

[nova fox]

i agree, i think another bracket would be good, even if they did up to 250 for the first bracket i think itll help a decent amount

[stable vapor]

unistall

[formal moon]

GBMM hasn't worked since it was created. Throw it away if you're gonna be too lazy to write a decent equation

[autumn hollow]

where do we find the balance changes they mention?

[stable vapor]

another patch against ranger gg

[tidal dagger]

Yes siiiiiir lets go W patch

[elfin fern]

GOOD.

[stable vapor]

yes let's play minecraft as a warrior gg,

[formal moon]

They'll probably publish them after patch

[autumn hollow]

thanks!

[nova fox]

atleast it is still a step in the right direction compared to where we came from, they days when common and purple kits had to dungeon together was one of the worst points in the game for alot of players
but i do agree its not perfect!

[formal moon]

Except it's not. It's a step in the wrong direction if you just think a little bit

[nova fox]

oh i hadnt thought of it like that, it really is bad

[jade nexus]

"We are proud to announce Free-to-Play accounts for Dark and Darker." We're getting a release

[fleet pollen]

where and when can we see the balance changes they've made? the patch notes haven't specified them

[sand knot]

What's the point of making it free when you can only go norm

[jade nexus]

When people discover them ingame

[fleet pollen]

ooof

[jade nexus]

to get people playing, some will buy the full version

[fleet pollen]

its actually better than the 10 day free trials... new players normally take more time than that do get used to pve and game mechanics

[jade nexus]

Yea new players aren't going HR anyways

[alpine quarry]

I feel the same, it's stupid idea, game was about dominating the zone and now all bad players will just play like it's a solo game about killing pve xD

[pulsar vigil]

do you think they could make a good incentive to force fight?

like portals only in the middle or something

[cosmic swan]

Stuff like that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[warped raft]

Players who want to fight know where to go. If they want to avoid fighting they will avoid those area. Circle or no circle this still happens so not much changing there. Swarm never stopped anyone from ratting or avoiding high traffic areas.

[pulsar vigil]

yeah maybe, idk, im just afraid that if they remove the zone they wont be enough fighting, i think thats what is lacking in ice cavern

[fleet pollen]

ppl already know spawn locations and rush to get some kills anyway, nothing is stopping us to do that

[cosmic swan]

There is fight in the Ice cavern, go to the middle room or the pyramid one. It's not forced by the zone, it's around interesting module (work too for boat and elevator even if it's less efficient due to fact the fact there is too much boat imo)

[visual torrent]

they should incentivize fighting with rewards and quests. people are always going to rat regardless of the circle; people are going to spawn rush just like in Tarkov

[cosmic swan]

True. @visual torrent also true

[pulsar vigil]

oh you can fight if you want, but im not forced to fight when im in a hard situation, those do or die moment out of your control is probably when i have the most fun. i dont want an arena that yo go if your geared

[visual torrent]

they should do more quests with good rewards that make people go to the same high risk locations

[cosmic swan]

Well that's not how the game was thinked about from the start

[pulsar vigil]

tehy should, but when you got one or two teamates down, you wont go fight a team of three for your quest, at least i wont

[visual torrent]

lol yeah I'm not taking a 1v3, with the circle or not \

[pulsar vigil]

thats why i want it how it was made from the start

[pulsar vigil]

i sometimes had to run in last circle trying to sneak a portal, cuz its death anyways

[cosmic swan]

No it's not, it's a PvEvP game not fortnite

[limber atlas]

ATTENTION DARK AND DARKER PLAYERS: The new Free-To-Play accounts are gonna bring an influx of new players. PLEASE BE KIND and help these new players learn so that they dont review bomb our game and cause it to die. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[cosmic swan]

^

[subtle heart]

I PRAY THEY DONT HAVE ANY KILL X AMOUNT OF X CLASS THIS WIPE. I DESPISE THAT QUEST. AND IVE ALWAYS JUST QUE SNIPED WITH MY BROTHER TO GET IT DONE. Yes all caps is necessary

[echo sparrow]

thats bannable my guy

[limber atlas]

You'll have plenty of time to PvP in HR when the wipe occurs. Help make sure the new players have the space they need to learn and try the game out properly.

[brazen grail]

Yeah, ease them into it before showing how ugly you are.

[tame pebble]

get rid of the fucking cheaters

[limber atlas]

theyll learn the harsh way when they buy the game and start playing HR

[tame pebble]

wait you think the new f2p accounts is bringing players???

[limber atlas]

if you think it wont youre a fool

[tame pebble]

your an idiot

[agile condor]

you're*

[limber atlas]

lol

u think 0 players are going to get their friends to try it out now that its f2p

you must be a genius. I have at least 3 ppl i know that r gonna try the game out now

[tame pebble]

suck these bleep ya 10 hours bleep how are new f2p accounts with no advertisement bringin players? weve been able to give friends trial accounts for a while not. the player counts so low theyve quit bannin ppl

[limber atlas]

if you dont think a 35$ price tag doesnt drive certain ppl away then youre also just a silly person

[tame pebble]

big man over here has it figured out! go preach to you following of 12

[limber atlas]

go play more albion online, you clearly enjoy mindless grinding over actual gameplay

[cosmic swan]

No advertisement? They have a slot in the upcoming Summer Game Fest

[tame pebble]

i have 2,586 hours since release

[agile condor]

The only thing majority of people that played dark and darker know is F2P. Majority of people, i.e. back on steam, played during a free playtest. So yes making it free will bring back some player base

[echo sparrow]

show proof

[limber atlas]

I have almost just as much and I've been playing less than a year, im not impressed

[tame pebble]

servers are down

[echo sparrow]

ill ping when servers come back

[tame pebble]

rambo, you dont though

[limber atlas]

LMAO

[tame pebble]

@echo sparrow plz do

[limber atlas]

i dont apparently. i guess my screenshot i show u later is photoshopped then

[tame pebble]

@limber atlas idk bro, acting like i give a fook

[limber atlas]

well u have to say i dont, that sounds like u give a fook to me

[tame pebble]

bros a idiot its obvious

[agile condor]

an*

[autumn hollow]

who does this patch benefit the most

[limber atlas]

you cant even spell and you're accusing of me of being an idiot.

[tame pebble]

its ok, theres a lotta idiots in the world. that like to focus on little things like an n or 're becuase thats the only power theyll ever get

[agile condor]

the irony is amazing

[limber atlas]

because*

[subtle heart]

Didn’t stop me last wipe :O. Didn’t even complete any of those quests this wipe 😦

[echo sparrow]

only hard one is cleric, because i play solos and where you seeing those

[cosmic swan]

Fighter I guess, Sprint is still untouched and the ms as been nerfed

[subtle heart]

I Really enjoy the PVP aspect, But the changes were great! I see a lot of people complaining again 😂 I think that's all they do anymore lol. But if you really want the PVP Its always in the middle of the map!

[tame pebble]

@limber atlas case and point, were spell checking a discord server. IDIOT

[limber atlas]

Anyways, back to my original point. Let the new players learn and play the game, they're going to help keep this game alive and healthy so we only lose if we drive them away. think about that next time you queue into normals with the intention of wiping the whole lobby

[agile condor]

agreed

[limber atlas]

stay mad child. u must be 13 at most

[past light]

I hope "Numerous item balance changes" means removal of Add/True damage 😭

[tame pebble]

@limber atlas ill wipe those norms players and tell em some idiot named rambo sent me

no worries g i got you!

[limber atlas]

Stay mad little one. trolling u was all too easy

[agile condor]

dont forget me

[tame pebble]

nah tom you aint shi

[limber atlas]

also u wont be killing the new players anyways, youre too shite

[echo sparrow]

sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

[limber atlas]

theyll be taking ur gear no problem

[subtle heart]

Wait so Hold the Line edition is the Same as The Standard edition? UGHHH It's Tarkov all over again

[limber atlas]

im more talking about the skilled players here, not the children who whine

[tame pebble]

hold up waiting on servers to run cinder and scraper, anyone tryna trade me a z eye?

[sturdy token]

SO GAME IS FREE NOW?

[past light]

At least that is something I guess.

[tame pebble]

lil mad my unique kits going to legendary, we know if armours getting swapped too?

[limber atlas]

YES. but no

[cold spire]

no, just a part of it

[tame pebble]

my fooking +all +3 knowledgee +3 vig unique warden :(((((((((((((((

[sturdy token]

Realize they lost all there players running tests on us huh

[limber atlas]

you get 1 character, but u can do all maps, all quests and start stacking stash tabs

[sturdy token]

hmmm

[cold spire]

all maps on normal only. Start stacking those greens u find

[tame pebble]

you get 1 character to fund 35$ through r m t to pay for a full one to get in hr and really start feeding your family

thats whats gonna happen, not this new player shit. Xingxaous boutta take your shit f2p style

its literally a model that allows iron mace to begin banning cheaters again forcing rebuys

[limber atlas]

dude missed the part where those accounts wont be able to upgrade to legendary status until after the wipe, everybody laugh at him

[tame pebble]

yea, upgrade next wipe

this wipes dead wtf are they gonna r m t

[limber atlas]

okay so what is the difference between that and ppl just buying accounts. are you dumb?

[subtle heart]

Keyboard Warriors here 😂 😂

[tame pebble]

hell yea! im so glad ppl like you have consistently been in this discord since the game got started

we should name groups of discord idiots a gaggle

[limber atlas]

considering u only recently discovered discord u shouldnt be that disappointed

[tame pebble]

then yall should gaggle these nts

go look in the mirror and be HONEST with yourself rambo. just go do it

just go do it

[cold spire]

you have typed valheim wrong in the about section of your stream (sry had to mention it )

[tame pebble]

bro how do you try streaming and not hit affiliate

[subtle heart]

That shiz rough my guy

[fathom quail]

Take it to the dms or the dungeons boys, yall are both big strong men okay?

[tame pebble]

hey buddy

think your some mod or something?

@subtle heart its not to bad if you hit it intelligently and dont start streaming with 11 followers and hit it with an attack plan

[cerulean sapphire]

Hey everyone, please be nice to each other. 🙂

[tame pebble]

no

[fathom quail]

Nah just pointing and laughing rn 🤣 enjoy ur discord fights lmaoo

[echo sparrow]

ban ban ban ban

[meager fulcrum]

take your fight to dms pls

[limber atlas]

I already blocked him and moved on with life lol

[cold spire]

make an arena channel so we can verbally pvp

[jade nexus]

We're getting a release

[robust sigil]

Such a sweet patch wow

What do yall think IRONMACE is doing at Summer games fest?

[fathom quail]

Probably pushing another patch

[limber atlas]

I really just wanted to tell ppl to be nice to all the new timmy's that are coming to play on the free accounts. we gotta make sure they have fun so they dont review bomb our game out of existence

[jade nexus]

We're getting a release Friday, it's the only reason they would test the patch early

[robust sigil]

I mean it’s on Friday so they will be patching for sure lol

[echo sparrow]

when you say nice, what does that mean

[robust sigil]

I think SGF and Friday patch means the epic release is coming right?

[jade nexus]

That's my bet

[limber atlas]

ignore them if possible. you dont need to kill every player in normals.... its normals

[fathom quail]

I just.. the test server is not for testing?

[jade nexus]

I think Epic on Friday, Steam to follow soon

[robust sigil]

I don’t see why IM would get on a stage like that without a strong platform to support the game

[limber atlas]

or possibly teach them something

[echo sparrow]

ill teach them the game. you die, you go again

[cold spire]

^

[limber atlas]

i guess if u need the ego boost on a new player go ahead. imma try to keep the game fun for ppl who are just starting out.

[robust sigil]

I’m excited for goblin caves to feel like a tarkov raid

[echo sparrow]

ego boost? its just the nature of the game. we all learned that way

[robust sigil]

When I fight obviously new players I like to exchange some hits first. Let them taste the fun a bit

[cold spire]

Its not our job to keep the game fun for others or babysit them. I get your point but its not our responsibility

[robust sigil]

If you’re good enough at the game like me the gigachad you can just mess around more instead of wiping people

[limber atlas]

yea and im sure theyll have enough encounters like you. that doesnt mean everyone has to be ruthless like you. not everyone is a diehard pvp enjoyer that likes wiping every lobby

[limber atlas]

it is when the game subsequtently dies because we are so offputting

[robust sigil]

I’m excited for gear and HP changes because it’ll give noobs a better chance but good players can have more skill expression opportunity

[echo sparrow]

thats just setting unrealistic expectations for new players

[cold spire]

if the game dies then it dies bro. I am not some kind of savior. Only the devs can keep the game alive not my playstyle or attitune in the dungeon

[limber atlas]

yall never heard of communities becoming so elitest that new players never join, and the same ppl whove been playing from the start eventually quit cuz theres nobody left to play with

[robust sigil]

That usually happens in games with more punishing combat mechanics than this one

[echo sparrow]

most players dont even use voip

[robust sigil]

Or games that really ruin the barrier to entry for new players

[limber atlas]

Yep. Like this game

[robust sigil]

But isn’t this wipe good for new players and reduced the barrier to entry

[fathom quail]

This game is built to be hard and should be advertised that way imo - not timmy friendly

[limber atlas]

the wipe rly only effects things for about 2 weeks before ppl get geared again

[robust sigil]

I like that because HR players can still be sweaty and new players can still be new

[limber atlas]

there's a reason they split normals and hr so drastically

[robust sigil]

I generally like how they staggered the crafted gear release this wipe too. People didn’t stack OP gear as fast. At least not golds

[jade nexus]

2 weeks? Me and my boy were running 350 ms kits the first weekend and got killed by a mage duo running bis day 3

[robust sigil]

Yeah there’s always people like us in every game right but they have to standardize decisions at the top of the bell curve

[limber atlas]

in the low end of skill yes

[robust sigil]

There’s statistical means that they probably make those calls from ykno

[limber atlas]

ofc thats gonna be ur experience, youre playing in hr on day 1

[jolly locust]

Is the game coming to steam?

[limber atlas]

most ppl arent gonna be playing at that lvl the first few days

[robust sigil]

Epic games first, steam tbd

[formal moon]

Not likely

[robust sigil]

You might see more HR players since normals will be free to play

[formal moon]

More than likely the opposite

[limber atlas]

yea more like the opposite

[robust sigil]

I said that wrong

I meant that more of us current players who usually start in normals might start in HR this wipe because normals became F2P

[formal moon]

Gold entry = less pvp. Every time. @robust sigil need to be lvl 20 for hr

[limber atlas]

That is possible yes. I feel like some pvp enjoyers r gonna be hunting down the new players which im afraid of

[fathom quail]

free 2 play = free 2 kill 😎

[robust sigil]

Isn’t 20 really fast now?

[formal moon]

[fathom quail]

like who? @limber atlas

[limber atlas]

like everyone in this chat lmao

[robust sigil]

I feel like that’s Rambo’s whole point right

[formal moon]

IM being ran by nexon mole makes more sense Every announcement

[limber atlas]

yea literally everyone will be stuck in normals on day 1

[robust sigil]

Earth flat aliens real lizard people rule the economy

[warm tendon]

How do you feel about not having a zone? In the end game, when the circle gets small I tend to move outside of the zone so that I will not step on a random rogue. Now that safety is gone.

[limber atlas]

Not exactly. it'll be easier to hide in the corners of the map in a shadow now

[formal moon]

Rats gonna rat

[robust sigil]

We will find out with goblin caves but games like tarkov do it successfully

They also deal with extract camping but that’s if there’s only statics

[warm tendon]

I do not hide, or sneak. I lose the safety the locusts gives me.

[formal moon]

Tarkov was built with no zone in mind, not comparable

[robust sigil]

You’ll see the same thing as always.
Some rush middle to set up early, some skirt the edges to catch people out

[sharp berry]

Rogues will have more ground to cover to rat, I never run into rat rogues on ice cavern and there’s no circle

[limber atlas]

The game is called Dark and Darker. You can literally stand in the same shadow all game and never get spotted

[visual torrent]

no zone will make the average match less predictable which sounds fun

[robust sigil]

Thoughts about randomized modules?

[formal moon]

Devs just need to take tye dayz model and let is host the game ourselves. Because they're quite awful st it

[formal moon]

Timmies didn't like so devs yeeted

[warm tendon]

Cool idea but will never work unless the module system is insanely good, also the modules themself need to be random. Players that play a lot will still know every module regradless of the arrangement.

[limber atlas]

Randomized modules, enemies and monster spawns would be lit

[limber atlas]

Sdf recently said he's more interested in it then ever. He said before that he was against it but now he's open to the idea

[robust sigil]

Could be like poe style?

[formal moon]

Sdf is brainless and has no business continuing in a leadership role

[robust sigil]

He said from $15/hour job

[formal moon]

Also this can't be true because he implemented random modules a long time ago

[limber atlas]

Yea and that's why he turned away from it. Didn't like how it went

[formal moon]

Because of his implementation 🤣

[limber atlas]

Lol I'm not disagreeing

[formal moon]

Sdf or terrence is getting paid by nexon forsure

[deep galleon]

Man I'd love it if we knew what kind of changes there were to all the items and classes affected by the update.

[limber atlas]

The problem with random modules is that they'd have to fix the map layouts completely. One idea could be to have subsections in the modules that can be combined, like take 4 submodules and make them into a full room, from a selection of like 30 possible sub modules

[formal moon]

It's because they're going to implement things that already failed

[warm tendon]

It won't work, unless AI designs the modules on the fly for each match.

[limber atlas]

And then somehow add random chest and enemy spawns

[warm tendon]

This won't work and I really hope they do not spend time and money trying to implement this.

[limber atlas]

It could work if expertly done. It would take too much time and effort to develop it in their current state

[warm tendon]

I doubt even an expert can solve this.

[formal moon]

It's actually way simpler than all that. You guys do not know what you're talking about

[dense kelp]

Incredible changes coming. More HP, less weapon damage = more fun battles. Who hates gearing up for 5 minutes, running around in the dungeon for another 5 minutes, then get killed in four seconds by a rogue in the dark.. this is going to be a fun change. They could nerf mob damage a bit in starting areas because there are new players out there that will fail to extract 20 times before getting their first

[warm tendon]

Are you trolling?

[robust sigil]

He’s trolling lol

[formal moon]

Oof, still getting killed by rogues = trash player. Weakest they've ever been

[robust sigil]

I’m sure this guys fuckin wanderer 2 on his main lol

[formal moon]

No, I'm just in software

[formal moon]

I don't play the game so I'm not even that

[robust sigil]

Attaboy sit down then at the grownups table we’re all legendary adventurers now

[formal moon]

Which means nothing at all

[robust sigil]

We’re pirate legends bro

You mean even less it’s crazy

[warm tendon]

If we have giant studios work for many years on a game what makes you think that you can just say "Computer give me a randomly generated Dark and Darker map"?

[formal moon]

Creating a strawman because you have nothing to add I see. I did not say that

[warm tendon]

My bad, all I was saying is you cannot have generated maps. Or at least that it isn't an easy feat.

[graceful storm]

Bro do you legit live in this toxic no lifer chat? LMAO I have never seen anyones name always be in here as much as you and youre always just trashing the game lmao

[formal moon]

I haven't even been in this chat for a couple of weeks lol

[formal moon]

It was already done and in game mate

[warm tendon]

I'm no talking about semi random module arrangements, I'm talking about randomly generated modules.

[winged yew]

anyone able to tell me why I never have the killcam option when I die? i see it on others accounts when streaming sometimes so am a bit confused. Is it an optional feature I need to enable or?

[fathom quail]

hear me out.. mobs should ignore hydra since it's a mob and prioritize players

[graceful storm]

aint nobody believing that for a second

[fathom quail]

should change this channel to #talking-shit lmfao

[warm tendon]

Mob should focus the hydra, if they didn't the hydra would be completely useless. Mobs would just walk past it and because the hydra has such low targeting speed it would never deal any damage.

[formal moon]

Great things about facts, you don't need to believe them

[fathom quail]

would be completely useless except for zoning, pulling out of invis and does damage when it does hit

[warm tendon]

But it still does that? What coudl change is that the hydra will prioritize targeting a player instead of a mob.

[fathom quail]

Yes thats what I want

[graceful storm]

and you can make them up in a discord chat with random people to sound cool

[warm tendon]

Yes that would be a nice change.

[earnest dragon]

f2p ? more cheaters ?

[warm tendon]

hahaha

[fathom quail]

i'm looking to RemT some white BIS

with the removal of unique items - will we get named equipment? Gimme dat named Open Sallet RIGHT NOW

[neat tundra]

anyone else unable to login to the launcher is that because of the patch. Im getting a server error

[fathom quail]

During maintenance, all services, including the website, may be temporarily suspended to update various servers. -SDF

[rugged marsh]

do we kno when maintinace is done?

[warm tendon]

Roughly 4 hours from now.

[rugged marsh]

now wayyy what are they doing

[warm tendon]

One thing, cheating may actually get worse for paid players as the developers for the cheating software can worry a bit less about losing 30 bucks each time they get banned and iterate faster because they can just make free accounts.

[sinful gull]

Maybe some cheaters actually stop HR and go normal on free accs now. So maybe more cheats in normals but less in HR. But overall it should be more cheaters for sure.

Overall big W for this patch. Having this f2p thing when we drop on epic will be huge..

[formal moon]

That is not a fact. You should probably look up some words

[formal moon]

You say that, but its just a buff to the already meta classes and a nerf to everyone else

[formal moon]

It forsure will

[warm tendon]

Sadly it probably will

[sinful gull]

Wouldnt be surprised, we will see once servers are up... Fingers crossed for buffball nerfs

[rare mason]

Does anyone know if this update is wiping character stats and items?

[formal moon]

Lmfao

[sinful gull]

Bard is a complete joke right now for sure.. But I think even cleric can be scuffed, the whole buff thing is too crazy make cleric just stronger and more dmg or cc focused, healing 500hp in 1 fight is a bit crazy too. bard and cleric both are way too mandatory in trios

[polar talon]

is the game down right now ?

so free to play. good idea as long as it stay on normals because if u put the game free to play for HR godamn we gonna have more hackers

[sinful gull]

Yeah, i dont know when I heard someone as for a bard nerf the last time, tho. Only a solo player could say that but even in solo Bard is the best class imo. They will nerf it if they watched the soapy tournament im sure.

[eternal wedge]

Will there be a specific list of the “numerous item balance changes” and class changes?

[earnest drift]

The problem is that bard needs a rework and not continuous nerfs

[warm tendon]

Probably not, some youtube channels will do a deep dive and figure it out

[eternal wedge]

they should release one, considering the fact that this will change how the game is played with classes getting buffed/nerfed and item meta going bye

if they are making a meta based around player skill they need to tell the players what their skills will do lmao

[earnest drift]

Songs should not stack and using them needs to feel more impactful, the only long buff should be all atributes. The class is super strong but feels bland

[warm tendon]

I agree.

[eternal wedge]

but graysun dodged the question while actively talking shit at someone in general chat so
we probably arent getting one

imo weapon damage needs to go down while health goes up, the 2 second fights arent really helping

[graceful storm]

That's what they're doing

[eternal wedge]

1 tiny wrong move and there goes the run, i feel like longer term battles need to be a thing. even if it gives power to range classes like spellcasters n rangers, it needs to be longer. maybe limit the arrows rangers can have so they dont have a hundred arrows in a run lol

[sharp berry]

It’s probably too much to type all out. It’s probably the same changes that are on the test server. That infos out there somewhere

Also I don’t think there’s any class balancing yet, that’ll come with the wipe I assume

[eternal wedge]

a fight should be about making the other person consume their resources and then getting the kill, not just running up and damage tanking a sword to the face

[eternal wedge]

if its too much just say that, dont just drop "numerous item changes", not elaborate, then dont respond

[short cove]

Pretty sure it's almost every item had values changed

[formal moon]

Graysun has to be optimistic. There is a good chance he is clueless on everything go do with the game. Given he birthed the token system

[eternal wedge]

a simple i dont know would have been more than fine
just ignoring the issue makes it worse

[sharp berry]

All armor got like a somewhere around ~30-40% MS buffs on test server. That was the major change

[graceful storm]

The changes are already on the test server. Max 1 true damage on anything, more base health for all characters, less of a gap between certain grades of weapons. Go check YouTube

[hollow lark]

guys when they say and do they mean or?

[eternal wedge]

thats just what they said, im asking if they will give specifics instead of just letting people on youtube do the work for them

[formal moon]

He has to though, there is no winning for him because they're pushing stupid ideas. So talking about them isn't going to be fruitful

[eternal wedge]

they publish the exact changes only sometimes? either go all in or just dont say anything. they just dropped a massive rework of pretty much all gear and items in the game and said generalizations about the stuff

[eternal wedge]

fair enough

[graceful storm]

Idk they usually do, but if they're tweaking literally every item there's no point in listing them all just open the game and see when it's done

[hollow lark]

no but could someone clarify that I did not have to buy the game twice to get legendary status?

[eternal wedge]

"Accounts that purchased the Standard Edition and Founders Edition have automatically been upgraded to Legendary Status."

[sharp berry]

Why would you have to buy the game twice

[hollow lark]

it says and

[blissful violet]

Nah but like they should so it’s documented somewhere. Basic practice for development in like every field 😭

[hollow lark]

it should say or

[eternal wedge]

this ^
dont just drop changes and let people figure them out. plus, they likely already have a list because they had to rework it all. just copy and paste that here.

[blissful violet]

Semantics 🤷

[sharp berry]

They’re Korean bro, English isn’t their first language.

[hollow lark]

thats a big difference that isnt semantics

[blissful violet]

Thank you!

[hollow lark]

semantics is like the difference between well and good

[sharp berry]

Lmao you gotta be the only person in the entire community that thinks they meant both editions, that doesn’t even make sense

[hollow lark]

but its what they said dude

[sharp berry]

Your pfp looks like someone that would care this much over a word

[eternal wedge]

you dont have to buy both, they meant and/or

if they made you buy both the player count would drop by 70%

[shadow bough]

Lmao player count so low they decided to go FTP lmao

[short cove]

They're getting rid of founders edition anyway in like 2 days

[graceful storm]

If they're getting the game ready for some big things IDC if they list out every little item personally as long as the end result is good

[shadow bough]

Wdym, no test server or other perks?

[eternal wedge]

founders will no longer be buyable, the stuff will still be in effect tho

[hollow lark]

thank you, people can really screw you over knowing people make assumptions.

[jade nexus]

Did everyone get logged out of Blacksmith

[eternal wedge]

#📢announcements

[blissful violet]

"Accounts that purchased the Standard Edition, and accounts that purchased the Founders Edition have automatically been upgraded to Legendary Status." Is how I interpreted the original text.

[polar talon]

so i keep all my exclusive thing from founder edition ?

[shadow bough]

The balance change to gear tho was great to read, but nothing mentioned about reduction to true phys or true damage

[surreal aspen]

yes

[jade nexus]

k, but it doesn't normally log you out

[eternal wedge]

i dunno man

[short cove]

Yes, but people who don't have it can't buy it going forward

[sharp berry]

That’s how everyone with at least 4% of a brain interpreted it

[polar talon]

like i said im okay with free to play as long as it stay for normals. dont want more hackers on HR because its fre to play now

[graceful storm]

Watch one pegs latest data video, there are some things on the test server that would indicate they're taking care of it

[surreal aspen]

on test server true damage is limited to +1 on items

[shadow bough]

Perfect looking like game state for next wipe is solid barring any game breaking bugs via patch

[hollow lark]

as a customer I should be able to interpret what you say to me verbatim without leaving things open to interpretation.

[shadow bough]

Get off your high horse

[short cove]

What are the max true damage bonuses now? 5? I'm not a test server haver

[blissful violet]

This isn’t some signed contract brother. They’re patch notes in a discord

[hollow lark]

its not a signed contract but it's still a contract techniqually

[graceful storm]

Oh God don't start this

[blissful violet]

HUH??

[short cove]

My brother I don't think this fits the criteria of "game discussion"

[blissful violet]

😭😭

[willow garden]

whered you get your law degree?

[shadow bough]

It’s okay his neck beard speaks volumes from his lack of self awareness

[sharp berry]

Man I love neckbeards on discord, shits so fun to watch

[blissful violet]

LMFAO

I fucking love it here don’t hate on this guy cmon yall

[hollow lark]

You don't need a law degree to know a few contract laws specially when youve gotten boned by the fine print before.

[graceful storm]

I'm gonna throw up

[blissful violet]

Where’s this supposed technical contract then?

[willow garden]

Ah so your a master of bird law

[shadow bough]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[blissful violet]

This is about the game, I guess

[hollow lark]

their announcement is a contract

[willow garden]

do you even know what a contract is? lmao how is a post in a discord a contract

[shadow bough]

Oh dear the lack of nuance, self awareness and deodorant is apparent here

[hollow lark]

I can prove I am right and you cannot prove I am wrong so whatever dude

[sharp berry]

He’s the reason why women choose Bear

[neat steppe]

GO UPVOTE MY IDEA BELOW:

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/558669/gear-and-crafting-system-overhaul

@wintry burrow

[vagrant furnace]

W patch but the "oops not 2 hours itll be 6" is fucking hilarious

[limber verge]

Lmao

[willow garden]

Id like to see said proof. Of both you putting on deodorant and neckbeard, as well as your knowledge of said "contract"

[shadow bough]

I never said I’m a “discord lawyer” I’m just a reformed doomer that doesn’t complain when the game has good updates.

[frank bison]

Technically* you reddit subhuman

[shadow bough]

Man is literally complaining about wording from a Korean based dev that has to translate their entire blog posts, ofc there will be some inconsistency or difficulty reading

[worthy dome]

Haha

[hollow lark]

you cant even make an argument without insulting me or giving subjective opinions. and I didn't complain I just asked for clarification

[worthy dome]

Maybe a rough day work, so just getting those aggressions out.

[willow garden]

dude take the L and accept that no one cares about the "and" vs "or" except you

[hollow lark]

I didnt ask if anyone cared I just asked for clarification

[blissful violet]

BWAHAHAHAHA

[frank bison]

Dude can't take the L he's filled up with Ds

[hollow lark]

I ask for simple clarification and I get berated with hate. How am I the one taking an L here?

[willow garden]

Because you lack the critical thinking that a game dev would charge you 2x for a game

[blissful violet]

Cuz you're getting berated dude, thats the L

[frank bison]

Because you're essentially making a scene over wording on a translated post. Basically crying about your v you're and acting like you aren't being a smug loser.

[willow garden]

Also your stating that a discord post is a legally binding contract, which is laughable

[hollow lark]

I didnt make a scene out of it you all did I just asked for simple clarification. you all are the ones who escalated this

[willow garden]

Are you going to MTG Ironmace in the courtroom with a screen shot printed out, and say look at this contract they had me sign, its right in their discord!

[short cove]

Guys, they posted on discord that druid would be out in December, why did they not honor the contract??

[hollow lark]

they amended the contract

[frank bison]

You have to buy the game twice it's in the wording

[graceful storm]

You're being mr politically correct and nobody likes that so you've been roasted over it

[hollow lark]

This has nothing to do with politics.

[vast sun]

can anybody else not log into dark and darker

[neat steppe]

game is down

[short cove]

Honestly a dis/enchanting system would be pretty sick, would help alleviate bad gear and allow for player expression.

[vast sun]

"Server error. please try again, (2)"

[neat steppe]

go announcements

[vast sun]

thank you

what is this legendary status thing

[short cove]

Legendary status is if you purchased the game

[neat steppe]

nobody is 100 percent on it yet but im assuming you will get the test server now if you are legend status, you also get shared stash tabs

[vast sun]

oh ok

[willow garden]

you have to buy both the standard edition and hold the line edition though to get legendary status

[vast sun]

thank you for asking my question

[polar talon]

answering *

[slim fiber]

no just one

[neat steppe]

it might change with the new f2p thing

[blissful violet]

LMFAo

[neat steppe]

and ye its just the standard for the legend status

[short cove]

It's in the contract

[willow garden]

nuh uh, it says right there you have to buy both, LEGALLY

[shadow bough]

I just pray that there will be better anticheat detection or something. This update will just make it free for SEA hackers to make alts

[formal moon]

Given the track record, I wouldn't get my hopes up

[sick depot]

Their Alts would be stuck in normals

[echo sparrow]

and cant trade

[neat steppe]

Accounts that purchased the Standard Edition and Founders Edition have automatically been upgraded to Legendary Status.

[broken dome]

huge W on swarm circle being removed. Should never have been in the game

[short cove]

Yeah but what's gonna put the pressure on in GC thematically? Poison gas?

[shadow bough]

Unlike most players I do have stashes full of bis but idc. I usually play Norms to quest and PvP. With this new update I think the majority of the player base will be in normals anyways so that they can play with and best newer players. Cheaters will ruin the experience for old and newer players the people who they hope will bring this train back on track

[hollow lark]

goblins ascending from holes opening up in the ground maybe

[short cove]

Getting swarmed by goblins spawning in might actually be worse than swarm tbh

[sick depot]

Eh I don’t think normals will be the main draw for people

[hollow lark]

yeah but if you trickle them in to where its only unlivable with 20 seconds left on the clock it could be alright; Like a zombie horde.

[shadow bough]

Only time will tell, but your crazy if you don’t think ogs want to Timmy stomp. Collecting and using gear is a plus for me, not the whole fun or value of the game

[short cove]

Timmy stomping is pretty cringe, pay your fee and get in HR

[sick depot]

I mean stomping people in norms isn’t really worth it. Mostly a waste of time when HR is an option

[formal moon]

Timmy stomping is like 50% of all experienced players

[shadow bough]

Not for questing atleast and PvP in norms leads to more quest items

If you go to treasure hoard on Ice caves too that’s hella profit

[short cove]

Timmy hunters take themselves way too serious. Naked rangers loading in with 15 potions 15 bandys. Icky

[shadow bough]

Definitely gross, but when IM releases 3 separate kill player quests what do you expect

[short cove]

Hopefully to learn their lesson and stop "kill Y class X amount of times" quests

[shadow bough]

You have high hopes

[short cove]

I do

[echo sparrow]

people were bringing in that many heals before quests were in the game. wild to blame the kill quests for that

[sick depot]

You can stomp “Timmy’s” in HR with a little bit of gear.

[short cove]

Always been gross. I remember when half of peoples inventories were meds. And now? Still half of it is meds but they have 3 times more.

[shadow bough]

Not my original point, but thanks for sharing. Make game f2p but have no announcement on moderation or hardware bans

[graceful storm]

when my normal crew isn't on, or I just don't feel like putting a kit together going full PVP in normals is the next best thing. If you get a full lobby with other people who want to do the same thing it can be pretty fun. Are you saying there is something wrong with doing that or?

[sick depot]

FTP for one class only on normals. Its more like a FTP demo than a FTP game lol

[graceful storm]

I replied to the wrong person, whoops. Meant to ask @short cove

[shadow bough]

All I’m saying is there will be increase in hackers making alts. These idiots will hack regardless of what changes are made to the game. If the barrier to entry to keep cheating ON OCE/SEA is lowered the community will suffer as a whole

[short cove]

Oh word. Yeah if your goal is to go out and stomp new players specifically it's cringe.

[sick depot]

Why would hackers waste their time in normals? 😂

[shadow bough]

I mean if you equate getting gear as time well spent sure. But if you’re a scum of the earth player who wants to win at all costs, which I believe hackers are they will.

[last spoke]

Agreed there should be bad stats and useless rolls to help divide bad gear from
Good gear. Each encounter shouldn’t just be a difference better 2.7 phy dmg and 4.4 phy dmg

[short cove]

The issue is the only good stats are + damage

[sick depot]

A bunch of hackers probably also sell shit for irl money so they won’t even bother with normals. Tbh man you don’t need to hack to pub stomp normals lol

[last spoke]

Yeah but there should be bad rolls to help promote what is good gear and valuable

[graceful storm]

Of course, but idk if anyone actually tries to do that its not very fun, I think mostly they just want to PVP in general. Theres no way to tell a new player from an experienced player mid game unless you can just tell they have no idea what theyre doing when you try to fight. I just feel bad and try to walk away from those if possible

[shadow bough]

You can give all our easy loot to a friend in your party. All I want is a hard stance against cheating from the dev team. More hardware bans, less temporary bans and streamers should not be immune

[short cove]

Do you mean variance withing a roll type, like + 1-3 true damage, or do you mean there should be dead or bad stats in general

[shadow bough]

And yes ofc it’s not hard to lobby wipe in normals im just worried since the last few weeks of wipe have been dead on OCE /SEA due to rampant cheating.

[sick depot]

Those are two separate arguments. Yes the devs should continue fighting cheaters and punishing them accordingly. No, allowing new players to only play normals will probably not lead to a mass exodus of cheaters from HR into normals to just PvP for very little if any profit.

[graceful storm]

for one class an item might be best in slot rolls, for another the same rolls might be completely dead.

[last spoke]

Take a sword for example… if it had a + buff duration, while it could be used it’s technically a bad roll. Therefore a sword with a phy dmg roll would be good but if you remove bad or dead rolls it’s basically a difference in % like if I had a 2.5 phy dmg roll and you have a 4 phy dmg.

[shadow bough]

I will bet a decent amount of money most trios will have atleast one guy on their squad esp or hacking. That guy gets banned, oh well time to make a free alt.

[short cove]

I agree but I think those "bad stats" should be in line with the good stats. 5% buff duration ain't much, but bring it to 15% and it starts to become something useful

[last spoke]

I agree somewhat with that just don’t make it outrageous 😂 because if we just have good stats in turns to cod in the dungeon instead of looting for actual good gear

[sick depot]

Again, it’s normals (restricted normals at that with one free character). There’s no incentive to cheat. Cheaters (especially those who are profiting) will just pay the 30 bucks for the game

[restive radish]

so is there any plan to limit cheaters, the issue is getting very very bad

[shadow bough]

Only time will tell I guess. I just hope they are more hardware bans if the servers are lively again. People cheating in an EA game with no rank or real life money equivalent are despicable

[short cove]

I'm personally so sick of the best stats just being plus damage. I think we need stronger/additional defense stats. Like slash resistance or blunt resist, or for shields something like -% block recovery time.

[static glade]

that's a cool idea

[formal moon]

No ty, stop buffing plate plz

[short cove]

Theoretically plate would have innate crush and magical penalty, basically only slash resist

[formal moon]

Ok, so just fuck every class but the meta ones

[glad fable]

This is goint to be a hacking ESP and AIMBOT festival

[short cove]

What class doesn't have access to anything besides swords?

[formal moon]

Rogue, ranger, lock

[short cove]

Daggers stab, arrows penetrate, locks have magic.

[formal moon]

Daggers are gonna be a slash weapon not a pierce more than likely

[jade nexus]

They can't make any money irl with hacking on free accounts, it will only be the hardcore losers

[glad fable]

They could harvest interesting data also, people who do not cheat will play mostly HR I think

[formal moon]

Your suggestions adds more work to an already overworked team and another interaction to bug

[formal moon]

Every time we get HR gold fees, you only fight leaderboard sweats or naked rats

[glad fable]

Half of the cheaters are those I think

[short cove]

Good thing they are under no obligation to take my idea into consideration. It's my personal aspiration to what I feel the game could eventually live up to, complexity wise

[jade nexus]

Fair, but it shouldn't impact the game much

[vestal falcon]

Any one cheating will not be playing normals they can't make money

[glad fable]

You can also not fight xD

[jade nexus]

Free accounts also can't trade

[native verge]

And they'll get their... 500g for esping a normal lobby?

[vestal falcon]

Correct and now people like in a three man one guy will be cheating noone Is cheating in normals for money

[short cove]

Chump change

[glad fable]

yeah but there are lots of cheaters in other games in wich you cant make profit so..

[wet kindle]

guys please refrain from discussing cheating or RMT in the main discord I understand the concern with the free to play changes and you guys can feel free to move it to your own group chats or what have you but we typically don’t allow it here

[jade nexus]

Most of us will be in HR anyways

[short cove]

Understood Mr Nards

[worthy yew]

Has there been any word of a steam re-release?

[short cove]

Nothing really. Epic seems to be soon but that might be cope

[cosmic swan]

Nop and I think it would be a good idea now anyways

[glad fable]

I think they should wait until they polish the base game dynamics

[cosmic swan]

Exactly

[worthy yew]

Had so many buds play on steam but I'm the only one who still plays now 😭

[short cove]

Get them in on F2P

[formal moon]

What

[glad fable]

game its pvp/pve sometimes pvp is not mandatory, but now the meta is "I see person: I must kill, I must chase"