game-discussion

[undone schooner]

yeah but the people im seeing are doing is so fast and I'm checking most spawns and res shrine and I'm not seeing them used

[nova cipher]

Bring! Back! Multiclassing! WHOOOHOOO

[undone schooner]

boat room had about 4 dead people in it so I wonder if people were teaming letting a naked team kill them then take out the lot and repeat

[deep galleon]

Yeah it's all planned.

[undone schooner]

hoping to figure it out so I can bone them during it

[deep galleon]

Oh, trust me, good luck doing that.

[polar talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_BiJzE-J9w u guys must watch this this is hilarious

[jaunty topaz]

game is gonna die if IM can't deal with these teaming cheating bastards I swear to god

[obtuse tartan]

So I heard the reward tokens reset and hopped on to roll on my characters and I ended up getting an Echo of Screams, what are the chances of it actually selling or trading for something useful. Since to my understanding the battle axe is like horrible.

[candid sable]

go fvck yourself ironmace, go to hell with your light and shadow

how can a ranger play the game in suck fvcking invisible maps

[heady current]

Buff rogue :3

[small marsh]

This is literally the whole appeal of the game

Why is it a problem for you now?

[sudden aspen]

😂

[sudden aspen]

Yeah it’s definitely the worst named but you can probably still get ATLEAST 1 skull key which is around 18k

[summer bloom]

whats the setting to affect shadows and how far u can see them from? ever since the patch i cant load light from faraway and see darker shadows from far away

[brittle vault]

I GET UNIQUE AND ITS LYRE NORTHERN OR RANGER HOOD FMLLLLLL

[small marsh]

lyre obv

[brisk mason]

northern aint bad. but thats an f

[neat tundra]

Are 3ios Frost cave dead cause no matter what sever i choose the lobbies are dead

[tardy sandal]

Trios frost isn’t liked because the map is to big to find pvp and no storm and no bosses either

[astral moth]

PLEASE TAKE OUT WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT YOUR WHY ADD IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS ON PLAY TEST THEN NEVER ADD IT PEOPLE LOOK AT GEAR TO HUNT FOR PLAYERS BASE ON GEAR THEY ARE WEARING KINDA KILLS HIGH ROLLER

[turbid shoal]

You can wait 3 minutes and go into the goblin cave or wait 6 minutes and go into the standard ruins map. i honestly like it and having no portals but just exits is a cool idea for a map. i normally do find plenty of pvp on the map if you move toward the exits you will find ppl there. especially since the doors only allow 1 person to escape so a lot of them will go for the boats

[tardy sandal]

Why are you telling me this

[turbid shoal]

@tardy sandal as response to why its not liked. im explaining why i think its a good/cool map to have around since i 100% disagree to not liking/finding the map bad.

[lone garnet]

5:13 is just mind blowing

[jade nexus]

So have they fixed the render bug with Shadows, or are they just letting that cook until next patch?

If anyone didn't know, you need to load into the game, change your shadows to high, alt f4, relaunch, then you can see your full render distance

[astral moth]

NO THEY DID NOT FIX YET AN WE HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT FIXING IT

[jade nexus]

Like you have to be in the map, not just in the menus

[astral moth]

WHAT

[jade nexus]

Start a match, load in, make sure spawn is safe, change shadow quaility to high, alt f4, relaunch. Now you can actually see like you did before they messed up whatever it is

You have to do this everytime you open the game

[astral moth]

OH YEA THEY DIDNT FIX IT

YOU MUST BE INGAME I THINK

[sly frost]

How does the goblin loot from pile quest work ? Ive done it af ew times and got nothing

[outer ridge]

It doesn’t , unfortunately

[nimble quiver]

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE MAP ROTATION BACK : me and my mate are playing duos and we are rarely playing solos and im sick of the ice carvern map because there is only statics and you cannot progress to hell ... we stopped playing because of this

what is even the point in not having a rotation

[turbid shoal]

its already back brother

[subtle zodiac]

does gear score work in oce?

[nimble quiver]

really is it ?

[subtle zodiac]

i dont think gear score works in OCE

at least not for trios

[small marsh]

Likely not, since this is probably a lower pop

[turbid shoal]

It is. every 3 minutes the map rotates so if youre unlucky you will have to wait for 6 minutes if you want a specific map otherwise you can just go into the goblin dung /ruins instead of the ice dugeon and your max wait time is 3 minutes or so

[broken nova]

anyone know how to fix lights off when far away?

[pliant kite]

Someone said turn graphics to epic and restart

[broken nova]

thanks

[rapid rivet]

Sooo did I just not notice a patch note for every enemy in inferno on high roller being nightmare?

[nimble quiver]

thx bro

[brittle vault]

Can someone tell me where the file with in game setting is it at i cant find it and my game is broken

[grand yew]

did anyone else notice that the market is just overfilled with items due to the fact that mc is gone and everyone got so many rewards things that were 300-500 is like 50-70 gold right now which is so silly

[turbid shoal]

Thats because builds that relied on mc are now not possible so other stats/gear is wanted then with mc

[grand yew]

yeah i know but nothing is worth anything currently which is boring

[turbid shoal]

Other gear got more wanted though and became more expensive because of it

[azure socket]

who is with me to troll the troll event? 😄

[wind venture]

What a very lame event... The people that win are those with vulgarr and know how to parry the troll.

[lofty ruin]

This game need subclasses no multiclasses, Like class like skill tree unlocking that branch,

[long zephyr]

well thats probably the direction theyre gonna go, they said they realized that class identity was a big problem and are gonna finetune the classing, they just were tired of having the learning system say "coming soon"

[turbid shoal]

they might wanted some data for subclasses potentially? at least thats what im hoping not sure what other purpose it could serve

[limber flame]

anyone else not able to redeem rewards on one of their characters?

I redeemed on all my other characters but its grayed out on my warlock

[scenic hornet]

Agreed

[quick fern]

they already did

[spice stratus]

can we get a warning / notice when gbmm is turned off? ran 5 games all fine, then the 6th game 1 team had 500 GS each, and stomped the lobby.

[wind venture]

Game breaking mechanic that should be looked into
Me and my duo are in goblin and killed troll and we are in the loot pile. A solo 0 geared wizard came and locked the door and now keeps arcane locking the door. that arcane lock regenerate faster and the arcane lock last too long. So you are 100% stuck

[turbid shoal]

Open a ticket with the devs probably at the bugs section would be my guess. altough i doubt that they will care nough to fix it

[wind venture]

@turbid shoalThey wont at all

[turbid shoal]

Honestly next weekend a lot of wizards will prob do this to lock everyone out of the cave.

[wind venture]

@turbid shoalThe aecana lock should either regen very slow, or cant use it on the same door for X amount of time

[turbid shoal]

just make it not work for 10 seconds. or because even if it regens slowly you have 9 charges. thats almost 2 minutes + some charges you get back even if it regens in a slow manner is easily 2-4 minutes that is enough for the circle to kill you basically. in return though they should buff the lock spell to auto close doors when you cast it on them

[mental matrix]

they just gotta make it counterable in hell

rn its only used for cheesing people

[wraith drift]

since this last ppatch, im unable to fully see across rooms, door to door, i cant see anything in the unrendered setion. im talking like in goblin prison room i cant see halfway thru the room, just all black util i walk closer. ive made 3 bug reports and its still shit

[mental matrix]

everyone got that switch all your video settings to high then to low again and restart, that fixed it for me

[wintry path]

its intentional

[mental matrix]

idk if it is intentional because the way it works with buff auras is super buggy, they pop out of your screen like a glow stick

but that itself might just be a bug

[wraith drift]

my cleric friend did NOT ave this issue

[wraith drift]

GOAT. I CAN SEE AGAIN

[mental matrix]

glad it worked for you lol i figured it out by accident

[quasi helm]

Does anyone have a bug with the lights/distance renderer after the patch and know how to fix it?

[plucky arrow]

idk if gbmm is on, but i heard some say it is, tell me. full squire quality rogue, no meds and im in games with green and blue setted people with tons of meds like wat

[mental matrix]

everyone got that switch all your video settings to high then to low again and restart, that fixed it for me

[mental matrix]

if your on a low pop server it might not be on for you

[errant hamlet]

Anything to fix the fact after everygame i crash ?

[plucky arrow]

europe xd

[mental matrix]

rough, green and blue gear can slot into <299 pretty easily

[subtle folio]

read what your gs is and what theres is

it literally says at the bottom of the screen now

[fresh fulcrum]

gear score is bullshit, I loaded up with 286 GS and ended up in a lobby full of people 500 over In US EAST

[gray remnant]

the GBMM is only active when theres a certain number of people quing into the lobby. as per #📢announcements

[quasi moth]

Can anyone help me out? I got my first unique offered through reward tokens. Halberd, Flanged Mace, Regal Gambesson (chest), which would likely sell for the most, the mace?

[fresh fulcrum]

was like that even before the announcement

[lofty ruin]

true bullshit ! they said that servers with low players will ignore the gear score

[fresh fulcrum]

there needs to be a clear indication that shows that GBMM is being used or not and then youre also telling me that US east is a low pop server???

"We have also removed GBMM for some of the lower populated regions and have tightened up the ping lock for these regions" just get rid of Gear score and bring back rank based

[errant hamlet]

there is no high pop server atm 😂

[worldly warren]

can you buy ore for the mining quest or does it have to be stuff u mined urself?

[mental matrix]

halberd is the only named no?

[quasi moth]

It was, thank you!

[inland phoenix]

Anyone know about dark and darker on a cloud gaming service

[stuck ridge]

quick question for sword and shield users, what is the prefered 1h?

[inland phoenix]

Falchion or arming sword, falchion is “meta” but people like amel have effective playstyles that win against falchion users.

[stuck ridge]

i want to like the arming, it just doesn't seem to slap like falch.

[merry nest]

arming is way faster tho

[stuck ridge]

like the falch has distance and damage, arming has speed. so i guess if i full w key with arming it should work aslong as i go basicaly all plate lol...

[stuck ridge]

i feel like arming is harder to block, but barbs dont care about that XD

[naive wren]

Any1 have crash issues after the patch ? i keep crashing mid game (without crash report)just closes my game

[jagged lily]

Does monster loot count towards ap at all?

[soft birch]

why cant i see shit guys

i cant see far, only black

[plucky arrow]

fog

[plucky arrow]

i think its value in gold, cause u can sell it to the collector

[solar sage]

Does anybody have an ore spawn map?

[solar sage]

Counts as gear,so it gives you its gold value in AP

[noble stirrup]

Devs once again confuse RNG with skill, not understanding that the only difference between the fastest troll kill and slowest troll kill is whoever spawned closer

[rocky girder]

Thats not really relevant to the actual troll fight, since the timer only starts when you aggro it, not when the match begins. I understand the sentiment though.

[solar sage]

You're complaining about the right thing in the wrong context

Whats rng is that gear gives random modifiers

Just got hit for 30% of my health in a single survival bow hit,because +damage +phys power +add damage exists

Itd be so cool if we found like rarity items that instead of having random modifiers,have slots to put runes in to choose your modifiers

instead of finding a
+5% action speed
+5 phys power
Blue longsword,you found
a blue longsword with:
Empty slot
Empty slot

And you could infuse runes to choose your modifiers

[runic isle]

Whenever I kill someone and loot their body, after i'm done with picking stuff that i need, i just drop everything else from the body on the ground.

So if other players stumble upon that body, they cannot easily inspect items that were on the body. They have to pick items one by one. And if you full inventory, sometimes that's a pain, you have to drop something, then pick one thing up, then drop it etc.

Is this toxic?

I do the same for lion head chests...

[solar sage]

No its not toxic,just gives you more time to run away

[noble stirrup]

I don't think that's why he does it

[torpid lantern]

Damn this game died holy shi

[merry nest]

lol cause the update was just taking stuff away and the player count had already dwindled

[knotty kernel]

They need to change it more. The PDR formula needs to be to the point to wear if you dont wear chest and pants armor you are made of paper and will die to a gust of wind. the movespeed meta is cancer, and it is frustrating and stupid that it is a benefit in this game to forgoe wearing gear.

[dire sapphire]

@zinc sparrow @glad thunder hello guys, would be fun to have a kind of miniboss to rarely spawn casually in dungeons and randomly move destroying doors, would add some danger to pve i feel would be very exciting to maybe have to run from a room in ice cave cause this miniboss Is chasing

[knotty kernel]

put this in suggestion-discussion chanel.

[solar sage]

Fell off hard

[torpid lantern]

gbmm SUCKS SO BAD. Should call the game noob and friendly. SICK GAMEPLAY min maxing is so aids

[knotty kernel]

yes GBMM is bad, and a stupid idea. We already have Norms. If you don't want to fight with gear diff go there.

[quaint lagoon]

How does one fix the shadow bug?

[timid ore]

is the gear score fixed already? last night i was with less than 200 points against 1700++++

[copper lava]

Skinny pete murders squirls lol

but only to gain mroe power as a mini boss

[frozen umbra]

I'm happy players are coming back after the removal of MC but HOLY SHIT FIX YOUR SERVERS

[formal moon]

No

Best thing you can do for the game is not play

[cosmic lava]

shame the devs don't play the game

[foggy plover]

Feels like we're going round in circles. The devs have no basic understanding of balance in their own game. It shouldnt take a genius to understand that mcing was a hugely bad idea. Plenty of people took one look at it and realized it would be incredibly unbalanced. But they keep wasting time on these half baked systems. The map rotation thing has changed like five times, and also shouldnt have needed "testing" to understand people dont want to be locked out of all but one map. The longer they move in circles the less real additions they make and the more players will drop off because of the lack of new content.

I still hate the implementation of demon/animal forms but instead of addressing stuff like that and making a core feature of a class decent they do stuff like this. Wonder when we'll get an arena mode nobody will play like tarkov next.

[worthy cradle]

Zen knows. also lmao at the arena idea. Worthless in a game where the majority of combat is just left click

[white cape]

Does anyone know what the gear score brackets are? I ran a 300 kit and went up against some folks with 600+

[solemn cloak]

7k online Dead and Deader

[worthy cradle]

Shocking news: Arena mode just came out, and the people with the better gear win 90% of all fights

[slate valve]

is there an official epic store release date?

[mighty whale]

not yet

[gilded prairie]

0-299 and 299+

300 would be considered over

[tranquil blaze]

Shocking

[formal moon]

None of the brackets work and they never have. Not sure why ppl keep asking for the details @white cape

IM is just too dumb and lazy to actually get this game in a good state

[slate valve]

I'm happy it's still around though

[scenic hornet]

Lol

[white cape]

Gotcha; thanks!

[white cape]

I think it's quite good. I've definitely gotten my money's worth out of it, hours-wise

I understand people being passionate about its state though. People are critical of the things they like

[minor narwhal]

why do i get lobbies with 400+ gearscore when our highest in team was 225 ?

[thorn bay]

im having the same issue. idk whats up with it but were literally going into high roller lobbies in whites and seeing nothing but purple gear on other people

[white cape]

Was this in prelobby or during the game? Looks like gear score changes once you're in the dungeon if you pick up other gear

[thorn bay]

were looking in prelobby

[white cape]

Huh.

[hard rock]

Feels like we're going round in circles. The devs have no basic understanding of balance in their own game. It shouldnt take a genius to understand that mcing was a hugely bad idea. Plenty of people took one look at it and realized it would be incredibly unbalanced. But they keep wasting time on these half baked systems. The map rotation thing has changed like five times, and also shouldnt have needed "testing" to understand people dont want to be locked out of all but one map. The longer they move in circles the less real additions they make and the more players will drop off because of the lack of new content.

[white cape]

latest patch mentioned that GBMM could be turned off in low pop regions, maybe thats it?

[hard rock]

I still hate the implementation of demon/animal forms but instead of addressing stuff like that and making a core feature of a class decent they do stuff like this. Wonder when we'll get an arena mode nobody will play like tarkov next.

instead of finding a
+5% action speed
+5 phys power
Blue longsword,you found
a blue longsword with:
Empty slot
Empty slot

And you could infuse runes to choose your modifiers

[hollow wasp]

Norms ranked with real rewards would be quite fun. The squire upgrading your gear is a huge incentive to do quests to consistently have better gear for norms which could compliment ranked rewards

[minor narwhal]

yee thats what i thought aswell but i kinda doubt that eu is low pop especially rn xd

[formal moon]

Game is only been on decline due to IM having no leadership

[scenic hornet]

Perfectly said! Game is amazing

[formal moon]

Game definitely was amazing. Got my money worth. Just sucks that all Game devs do the same thing and kill their game

[white cape]

Yeah, I agree. That is strange

[undone belfry]

How about the rampant cheating that goes untouched? I had a ban report for the little shit top solo HR player, but he has multiple accounts. So I don't bother going HR

[maiden bough]

I don’t have a clear cut answer to the GBBM issue, but in my personal opinion… I think there needs to be less tiers of gear. We have like what 7 or 8 tiers if you included named artifacts? That’s too many tiers for a PvP focused game. That stuff may work for an MMO but that doesn’t mean it works here. Without GBBM green tier is effectively a dead tier. Too weak for highroller and not allowed in normals. And with it people just min max under 299 gs. I think there should be 5 gear set tiers at most. (6 if you include named artifacts). It would be much easier to balance in the long run as well I imagine.

[limber verge]

Insanely dramatic

[white cape]

Well, growth is seldom a line that smoothly curves up and to the right. I think many of the criticisms that people have about the game are valid, but it's sort of silly to expect the quantity of changes that people want to be packaged up in one patch. It's gonna take time, it's a small team.

lot of it is just player/customer impatience, but having a content horizon visible to the playerbase would be really nice. Give people something to look forward to.

[vapid arch]

zamn only 6k players, guess people liked multiclass more than i thought

[velvet shard]

It wasn’t any higher in the last few days of multiclassing

[white cape]

It seems to me like a lot of time is probably spent stomping out bugs in the code, since many new patches also bring new glitches and/or exploits. *Players find the few that made it past the devs

[ocean nymph]

Gear this, gear that.. I liked going in with bare-minimum anything and out-playing people geared chuds and making hella gold.

Maybe take a page out of tarkov’s book with a scavenger based matchmaking system. Random gear set (no artifact rolls maybe some purple) * <-down for feedback on this.. the rush you would get from getting all that gear when you’re sitting with BS minimum can’t be matched by anything the devs are adding in.

Make it to where ranked and unranked mean more than what they do now too idk

I think gear scoring is so fucking cheesy and corny

Completely ruins immersion

[white cape]

Cheating is very problematic depending on the region you play in, I agree. I play on US East and personally haven't run into any cheaters that I'm aware of. It can be hard to tell with things like ESP, though

[ocean nymph]

If you can’t handle the heat of getting killed with your “precious” gear that gets wiped on a regular basis don’t go whining in droves to the devs about how gear needs to be scored and the whole basis of matchmaking needs to be upended

Maybe tackle actual balancing issues and cheaters before u change the whole matchmaking

[worthy cradle]

Loving the rune idea

[flat grotto]

Having a problem with launching the game where I press play and it says "Stop" as if its launching and then nothing happens and it goes back to being a play button

I've tried:
Reinstalling
Verify and repair
Adding exceptions to my firewall
updating my graphics driver

all to no avail

wondering if anyone has a solution or ideas, thank you for your time

[scenic hornet]

Ofc why play when we know devs removed the most fun aspect of the game xD last week was pointless rip

[cold radish]

what the fuck ironmace 6 wendingo claws wasn't enough you thought we should get 12? Assuming you get normaal drop rates and nobody kills you on the way out thats roughly 180 wendingos

@flat grotto check your directX

[uneven nebula]

running the game without a really solid kit is super sleeper -> 299+ lobbies are also dedge -> playing the game and skipping bosses is super sleeper -> gg...

[minor narwhal]

and why the fuck did perks get changed eventhough they werent from other classes wtf r you doin ironmace

[gilded prairie]

Games pretty dry now without multi-classing honestly

[undone belfry]

I'm US East and had like 5 ban confirmations the last couple days. I primarily played normals to avoid them but still had plenty. A lot of the warlocks/wizards use aimlock. I record all sketch clips, I have a couple recent ones where they are using range hacks and hitting melee from an extra foot away than they should be. 1 guy was a sparkle cape which means he cheated the entire last season to get that skin. I'm done playing games that cater to maggot cheaters

[lunar edge]

Completely agree.
The whole point of gear is to make a difference. To add an advantage againts other people who don't have as much gear as you.
Separating players by their gear simply removes the whole purpose of getting better gear in the first place.
Is it balanced? of course not! But seeing a fully geared player in the lobby would allow you to strategize. Play more carefully and maybe even get a win over that guy and become a got yourself!
That was an amazing feeling. Now you're forced to play with people who have just as much of a shitty gear as you or fight full kitted tryhards. No fun allowed

[ocean nymph]

YESS YESS YESS SOMEONE GETS IT

[lunar edge]

We all saw this coming. Individual classes were going to get nerfed, simply because their perks work better in other classes.

They're going to have to revert everything they did.

[lunar edge]

I gotchu, homie. All those babies complaining about god gear players in their lobbies is literally "ah, why didn't press W and click not work??? So unfair! Waah"

[formal moon]

Lol what growth

[lunar edge]

It removes variety and strategy

[ocean nymph]

There’s nothing like DaD rn dungeonborne is BOO BOO MID and I don’t even wanna play DaD cos of the state it’s in rn

[lunar edge]

Now that multiclass is gone, i miht play it again.
But i feel bad for all the classes who got nerfed because of other classes using their perks better.

[analog spire]

there's good news for you. you can play the "gear progression" game with other 14 hour a day non showerers like yourself. meanwhile, people with jobs can play in normals

[minor narwhal]

literally the worst patch in dnd history holy smokes

[minor narwhal]

no i meant in like my perks arent the perks that i put in my char its not like nerfs or anything they are different perks

[ocean nymph]

Actually hilarious that you think basic gear progression requires you to “no-life” grind when in reality it’s not even that

That’s what sets you in with the whiny crybabies that may kill this game

[analog spire]

actually hilarious that you think stomping timmies in greens with legendaries equates to skill

[ocean nymph]

Did you read my original post?

“Gear this, gear that.. I liked going in with bare-minimum anything and out-playing people geared chuds and making hella gold.

Maybe take a page out of tarkov’s book with a scavenger based matchmaking system. Random gear set (no artifact rolls maybe some purple) * <-down for feedback on this.. the rush you would get from getting all that gear when you’re sitting with BS minimum can’t be matched by anything the devs are adding in.

Make it to where ranked and unranked mean more than what they do now too idk”

Never said anything about Timmy stomping

Get a brain will ya

[lunar edge]

??? Ma guy. I get it. But you have to understand one thing. What is the POINT of getting gold and gear?
Gear is to become stronger, to feel stronger! Gold is lityerally just to get better gear!

Normals is for those looking for a "fair fight" and i believe there's nothing wrong with that.
You're literally just pvp'ing with no progression or purpose, since the gear and hold you get will just get accumulated in your storage.

But many people liked fighting people with varied qualities of gear.
Sometimes you would have the advantage, other times you had to book it!
But there would always be a chance of winning. If you played your cards right.

You can play in your normals, but now there is no place for those who want a varied experience of gear in the game.

[formal moon]

Scav mechanics might be fun, but too scared IM will half.a.ss any thing they do

[ocean nymph]

!!!!!

[ocean nymph]

Deadass my same fear aswell

[white cape]

0-299 is a big disparity, plenty of room for gear dif

300+ as well

[analog spire]

what is the point? its a video game. you should be having fun doing it. if not, why play. nah, this reads like trying to force casual gamers into the meatgrinder of nolife sweats

[formal moon]

Gbmm doesn't work you can be lobbies with any gearscore

[ocean nymph]

Whole reason there’s people in normals timmy stomping just like in any other extraction game those people don’t make up the biggest demographic of players when the game devs actually put out meaningful content for the majority of normal players to sink their teeth into

[lunar edge]

I would definitivelly say not enough

Besides, it literally forced people to nerf themselfs to play the game!
I got a very good gear, wow! Ah, but i can't use it cause i'll be forced out of 299.

I can't stress enough how stupid that sounds....

[formal moon]

There aren't even enough ppl for gbmm to function

[white cape]

Of course you can use that gear, you'll just be in a higher bracket

And at that point, don't worry about how big your gs number gets

[gilded prairie]

You can go into the 299 lobbies full kit with legendaries and grim smiles. The GBMM doesn't really do THAT much

[white cape]

Ring/pendants are under weighted, yeah

[analog spire]

its so sad. all this 'varied gameplay' is dogwhistle for 'i want to stomp players with less skill and time to acquire the broken shit i have' stop all the lies

[ocean nymph]

Imagine this, a scenario in which all the geared players were somewhat incentivized to stay in the lower level lobbies with their gear. If there was meaningful stuff to do alongside that, maybe even a separate matchmaking pool ENTIRELY for the casuals

[lunar edge]

wat?

I literally told you that there's nothing wrong with normal play.
Normal play is your "everyone has the same level of gear"

But there isn't a place for people who want the Gear disparity that there used to be anymore.

Can't the game allow space for two differnt types of experience?

Specially since there's no point in a gear system if we're constantly managing what gear we can or cannot use.

[scenic hornet]

Exactly

[gilded prairie]

In my opinion, anyone who complains about MC being locked behind skill and time; just didn't really understand the game enough.

I got multiple characters to multi-class within a day. I understand there's a lot of gripe about multiclassing but after 4k+ hours, the game just feels so stale having it taken away with nothing to replace it

[white cape]

If you go full legendaries, you'll still run into folks with blues and purples, the gap is still there

[lunar edge]

Bro, you literally ignore the opposite scenario.
Where you're low gear, with basic stuff and you manage to get a W on a God.
Congrats, all their gear is yours, now!!!
How amazing is that?
I don't want there to be gear disparity simply to have an advantage againts those with weaker gear.
My main reason is because i love being the Timmy and dogging people with better gear!

[analog spire]

if your HR sweat lobbies arent getting filled because people prefer normals, idk what to tell you. take a break i guess. normals are fun and the game is fun

[gilded prairie]

The game is fun; but for players who have been here 2+ years; it's getting stale.

[brisk mason]

you realize its actually impossible to have 4k hours with the time the games been out? more or less impossible a least. Unless your just constantly afk on time.

[scenic hornet]

Its getting stale cuz vanilla classes are boring af compared to MC

[analog spire]

ive been playing since alpha 4 when rangers had laserbeam arrows and no ammunition and were broken beyond belief. normals rule and youre deadass wrong

[gilded prairie]

You realize the game has had multiple playtests over the past 2 years

[gray remnant]

a lot of people just leave the game open so they can say to their buddies "i have X playtime" as a 'flex' 😬

[brisk mason]

yes. but I highly highly doubt you have 4k legit. every over all play tests and ea you would need to be consistently playing like 14 hours a day or some shit

[gilded prairie]

I got 2.5k hours on blacksmith client and definitely over 1000 hours between the playtests. I very often was playing for like 14 hous a day or some shit lmao.

Wasn't a point about my hours though. Just saying after playing the game for so long, it's really feeling stale without MC

[lunar edge]

MC was a bad addition.
Sure it added some variety in the types of builds to make, but it completely killed class identity and the Types of strategies required to survive.
A Sub-class system would be a lot better, with the classes specializing in a specific talent that their class was good at.

I vision a more Skill-tree like. Where the branches change the properties of certain perks, making some better while making others worse.

[scenic hornet]

Mc wasnt perfect but was better than nothing imo

[gray remnant]

i agree that it feels pretty stale with MC being pulled with nothing to replace it. i hope the next system they bring out comes sooner than later

[lean osprey]

Agree

[gilded prairie]

I agree with this whole heartedly; I just think they could've left MC in a bit longer until they had some more content to get us excited about

[analog spire]

when people say this about multiclass being gone and thus the game is stale now, idgi. everyone was running the same five perks/skills on everything more or less. classes basically didnt exist

[brisk mason]

I mean i have played a similar amount. the entire ea, almost all the playtests and game doesn't feel stale for me.

my only issues rn is balance issues and dead lobbies. More content would be nice, but I just want some good balanced changes and less dead lobbies. either by removing gbmm, or reworking it to be actually decent.

nothing about multiclassing was fun for me or not stale. It just ruined the game even more and made the bad issues in the game so much worse

[autumn hollow]

why do i keep getting lobbies with people with 600 gear score when i am under

[lean osprey]

It was fun but it Broke class balance and ruined class identity

[analog spire]

they put it out in the patch notes - some regions with lower pops wont have GBMM

[autumn hollow]

how do we know if our region is not using gbmm

[lunar edge]

It's a toggle, though, so you can change that

[autumn hollow]

thank you

[gilded prairie]

I had a very different experience with MC.

I played a ton of different builds that weren't exactly meta, and did well with them. My team did tons of different comps, and there was so much variety that we were able to keep trying new things until we found what worked for us.

I agree that it may have taken away class indentity; but I feel like it added a wholeeee lot of player identity; which I loved.

[lunar edge]

Like, imagine that, being allowed to choose to fight people with better gear than you.
Killing them and becoming a god in one run

[lean osprey]

Anyone else think procedural map generation would be great for the game. I think the maps are stale when I go into a match I never think OMG I am soo excited to explore it all feels soo one dimensional and boring.

[brisk mason]

it made the already way to low ttk even lower. It made the meta comps even stronger. It made broken builds even more broken and un counterable. Some classes had way lesse options than other ones like ranger. Most of it was locked behind rng for most of the time it was out.

I didn't have any fun with it really in any of the builds i tried. it was just ruining the game

[white cape]

You don't have to imagine, just go play. lots of minmax gods in 0-299

[analog spire]

this would be great but really, i want to see the melee combat move in a direction closer towards chivalry or mordhau

[outer ridge]

Skill issue

[lunar edge]

It could add player identity and strategies in terms of how you express your own gameplay, but when you encounter someone else, it completelly destroyed it. When you encounter a specific class, you immediatelly recognize it's srenghts and weaknesses and form a plan.

With MC, you couldn't do that anymore. Strategies became a lot more generic and random.
That is one of my greatest complaints.

[outer ridge]

You’d think with a name like touchgrass you’d be good at games 🤣

[analog spire]

the irony here is nice and juicy

[lean osprey]

No. I completely disagree. I very much like the frictionless and surface level simple combat with complex components and I think it just need to be built upon with more mechanics and a much slower ttk

[lunar edge]

You must be a fun friend to have around.
Sorry for the ironic compliment, but bro, what're you trying to achieve with such a remark?

[analog spire]

slower ttk sure but predetermined swing patterns are ass imo. its like rust with the spray patterns. i dont want full mordhau but something closer. directional variation, feints, something

[sharp berry]

Wouldn’t work in this game with so much range kite meta, adding more complexity to melee would just ruin melee

[gilded prairie]

My teammate had a ranger build with poison and knockback / survival that he shredded with. Yeah it was RNG; but what else do we have to sink our money into in this game?

There's no other use for gold other than gearing up and getting stashes; MC added a point not only to playing different classes, but to stocking up your gold.

In my opinion; multiclass was available enough to access that everyone should be able to experiment and find a build that works for them.

It took me 1 day to multi-class on my rogue, and 1 day to make 15k to re-roll with.

[lean osprey]

Having swing patterns makes weapon unique and adds predictability to fights

[lunar edge]

Nah, i think the fact that every attack of a weapon is theoretically the same provides a lot of info for the enemy, which is good for forming strategies, while also forces the player to improvise and be more creative with how he moves his own body.
It's good

[lean osprey]

^

[brisk mason]

Poisons ass lol.

[merry nest]

poison wasnt that bad until everyone started running perseverence

[lean osprey]

The only thing I agree with is that this game need money sinks but I still think the RNG and multi classing is ass

[lean osprey]

How does that make poison worse

[merry nest]

made it do no damage

[lean osprey]

That’s why multi classing is ass

[lunar edge]

You literally said one of my biggest complaints with GBMM, gold is useful because it allows you to get better gear!!! Better gear meant to give you an advantage and make you feel stronger.

But instead, with GBMM, you feel like you're being pulled and punished for wearing better gear.
The Gear Min-Maxing is literally trying to enact the same feeling of gaining a slight advantage due to gear but with extra steps.

[merry nest]

nah seemed fair to me, it was a direct counter to poison which poison on bows was kinda busted

[lean osprey]

I also agree GBMM is such a band aid solution to gear balance and disparity

[merry nest]

gear disparity should just be lessened and then we wouldnt need GBMM

[lean osprey]

^

[autumn hollow]

where is the option to choose gbmm

[gilded prairie]

GBMM doesn't really do anything in my opinion. The difference between a min-max in GBMM and a base kit is enough for people to gripe; all it did was make people more selective about their gear

That being said; I did just third party two min-max teams and get a huge kit.

Then got 2 tapped by a wizard. So. Idek

[autumn hollow]

strongly disagree...i never felt like i couldnt win a fight vs sometimes you literally have no chance with legendary's.....completely makes the game more fun for me to be in gbmm

[lean osprey]

I also think that random attributes are too OP. How can a blue piece of gear be better than a legendary one

[gilded prairie]

I was JUST in a low tier lobby with legendaries and grimsmiles. GBMM doesn't eliminate that problem at all

[autumn hollow]

how do you toggle GBMM on?

[sharp berry]

You don’t toggle it on

[gilded prairie]

There is no toggle. It's automatically on/off for certain regions

[lunar edge]

The point of Gear is completelly removed with GBMM.

Everyone complains, saying that those in favor of removing it simply want to wear better gear and have an unfair advantage againts other people.
But they never mention that these same people will also experience the same thing.
Some days you become a god, some days you're the Timmy. And nothing beats the experience of beating a god as a Timmy.

Besides, if you're a Timmy, be a smart Timmy, don't just press W expecting to win. Use your brain.
Not having GBMM allows for a higher number of strategies that need to be applied for players to be effective. At least is used to.

[lean osprey]

GBMM just forced gear disparity to tighten it just a band aid solution to a big gear balance problem

[autumn hollow]

The God's are faster than you open doors quicker Take more Hits and insta Kill you....you cant get away its a very un Fun experience. I Dont mind people who Want god Gear because the builds are fun...but you should play against other People with similar kits

[lunar edge]

As far as i know, you can. Depending on your region. But maybe they meant something else in the patch notes and you actually can't.

[autumn hollow]

if you can where can you do it?

[lunar edge]

Bruh, but i want to fight them with my poopy ass gear.
I want the possible reward.

[gilded prairie]

" We have also removed GBMM for some of the lower populated regions "

There's no mention of a toggle; simply that they have removed it from certain regions.

I'm almost positive there is no toggle.

[sharp berry]

Then bring a lot of heals, it’s insanely easy to get into 300+ lobbies

[lean osprey]

GBMM is not a fix to the gear problem. It just a band aid. Right now gear is too strong especially random attributes. Gear disparity need to be tightened and balanced.

[autumn hollow]

Im fine with advantages but not NO CHANCE

[lean osprey]

Huh?

Right now fights in this game are just gear checks especially because of such a low ttk

[gilded prairie]

Or third parties

[unborn jay]

only people who cant pvp call it a gear check

[lean osprey]

Third parties are not such a big problem with longer ttk

[lean osprey]

I have 1.4k hours and a positive KD on every map

[autumn hollow]

playing currently....with GBMM my personal experience has been much better....I havent had fights where i had no chance like i do when it isnt present....I feel NO chance with ultra kit vs mid kits that i run

[gilded prairie]

I hate to say it but I'm not excited for Druid at all either lol. I want the MONK.

[lean osprey]

Because GBMM FORCES gear disparity. If the devs fixed gear disparity GBMM wouldn’t nt be needed

[lean osprey]

I agree monk sound fun

[scenic hornet]

I can agree with that but I play video games to have fun and it was indeed fun

[gilded prairie]

Honestly a lot of the disparity will be fixed with a bigger playerbase. There's just not enough variety in players.

Rather than focusing their efforts on balancing that; I think we just need to get the game ready for a bigger release onto the Epic store; more content for people to get excited about

[lunar edge]

Ok, i'm sorry for spreading wrong information. I missinterpreted the news

[lean osprey]

Bruh

[lunar edge]

But how do you differentiate "no chance" and "Advantages"?
The melee fighting of this game isn't very complex. And at most you'll get 1 or 2 headshots extra if you're a god skill-wise.

So i ask you, how would you differ a player with "Advantage and No chance"?

For me, when i see a geared god, i lurk around and wait for him to be weak, maybe he got hit by a few monster because he was too confident. Or maybe he just had a rough 1v1 and is severely wounded.

But if i don't want to fight him i just keep a few escape routes and Don't mess with him.

[lunar edge]

hmmm...i don't know about that....but then again, haven't played the game in a while.

[lunar edge]

Having class identity for many people is also really fun.
And for me class identity is a lot more important and fun than MC.

I guess we agree to disagree.

[lean osprey]

The reason why you are dying in 1 or 2 hits is because of a short ttk. Making the ttk longer and tightening gear disparity would make pvp a whole lot better

We don’t need chivalry mechanics

[gilded prairie]

For me, player identity was more important than class identity. MC gave me so much freedom to create a character that felt right for me. I know a lot of people disagree on that though

[lean osprey]

Yes but it broke class balance. It is impossible to balance a perk/skill/spell for every class

I think skill tree and sub classing would be the healthiest and best option

[lunar edge]

i agree. i'm not complaining about it.
I'm just trying to understand how people differentiate a battle where the guy has gear "advantage" and where his gear is too strong and there "no chance" of winning.

For there to be a scenario where you have advantage againts others, you must be ok with other having advantage againts you.
I'm perfectly ok with that and i can just be careful and aware of who i'm facing.

And depending on how outmatched i am, i'll apply a different strategy.
I think a game like DaD where running away is not necessary would be a lot less fun.
Sometimes running away should be necessary. But that's just me.

[lunar edge]

completelly agree.

Allows for both class and player identity

[jolly halo]

What is class identity when my lobbies are filled with buff ball or barbs

[lean osprey]

I agree I think that gear is too strong right now and it it is impossible to identify gear level. I like how they have added a visual to the rarity to some gear like adventure tunic

[lunar edge]

A healer clas, a Damage focused class with a lot of helth and a Magical class with spells and buffs.

The composition is very meta and that'sd why a lot of people use it. But the wizard cannot be the ball and the barbarian cannot be the buff.
Each has a "role" to play or are really good in the specific thing that they do.

You wouldn't be begging for the wizard to heal you. There's your class identity.

[lunar edge]

I wouldn't really know, but everytime i fought someone with amazing gear i would just wait for an opportunity.
I think just running towards the guy with clearly bettter gear than you is fault on your part.
That's why i'm ok with the disparity.
You can analyse and prepare a fight ot flight response.

[alpine holly]

is anyone else getting mixed hr lobbies on populated servers? i personally have had it happen in us west and have confirmation of it happening in us east

[lunar edge]

maybe your region has GBMM turned off.
Enjoy. Don't just run straight into very geared dudes and when they're weak, kill and steal everything they have.

[dapper stag]

Fix your rubberbanding servers.

[alpine holly]

us east and us west are the two american servers....they should be the most populated....

[lunar edge]

Should doesn't mean is

[alpine holly]

what?

[lunar edge]

dude, i don't make the rules.

It SHOULD be very populated.
Doesnt mean that is IS very populated.

[lean osprey]

How can you identify gear without already know because you looked at them in the lobby. Gear is too strong and gear disparity need to be tightened because you should be able to kill anyone with any amount of gear with at least a fair chance

[alpine holly]

in the nicest way possible this is a brainrot answer

[lunar edge]

There's no answer that could be satisfying
You said that your games have a lot of gear disparity, but there shouldn't cause your region has a lot of players.

ok.....but the problem stil remains
so..you might be wrong or maybe something else
i don't have the answer...simply poking at a possibility

[lean osprey]

@lunar edge it is almost impossible to identify how geared someone is without inspecting them in lobby.

[frozen umbra]

I love dark and darker solo lobbies full of strictly rogues and warlocks, so much fun. Yippee!!!
NOT A SINGLE OTHER CLASS OTHER THAN ONE RANGER WHO I SAW ONCE

[alpine holly]

i aksed if anyone else is getting into mixed lobbies on poppulated servers this isnt about a should or shouldnt again brainrot answer

[lunar edge]

I don't think a White should have an easy shot at killing a guy full blues or purples.
He should have a chance, but not in simply pressing W and slashing.
That's where we differ.

I think there's always a chance, but you have to be smart about it.

[lunar edge]

hmmm, i think you can have a general idea. just by looking.

being careful is always an option, if you're not sure

[lean osprey]

I agree and that what I was saying

[lunar edge]

bruh, ok. Thank you for your personal take. Have a good day.

[alpine holly]

lmao thank you for your personal take super helpful

[lean osprey]

My fingers are tired(typing on phone)

[lunar edge]

Glad we agree.
I believe that is how the game is at the moment, but of course, in duos or trios the disparity can become even wider.
That is a great issue.

[lunar edge]

You're welcome, despite your ironic compliment, i genuinely tried to help.

[scenic hornet]

Yeah definition of fun is subjective I agree

[lean osprey]

I disagree that that is how the game is a the moment

I think gear disparity is to wide on all front and that gear balance is also off. Random attributes are to strong and need to be nerfed and there need to be a bigger emphasis on gear rarity.also gear rarity need to be visually distinct

[lunar edge]

Now that last part i really do agree.

[lunar edge]

and that is why i believe it would benefit both of us if there was a way to implement player identity while maintaining class identity.

that's where subclasses come in.

[lean osprey]

Sub classing and skill tree

[lunar edge]

I think they'd be basically the same thing

[lean osprey]

No

Skill tree is a way to upgrade and decide you skill/perks/spells and subclassing is a gateway to new skill trees

[mild lake]

whats the point of ranks when you can play againts any of them?

[empty pendant]

So now that MC is out what are the go to trio comps?

[brisk mason]

same ones its been for ages. buff ball and any comp with casters

devs wont do shit about the horrible meta thats been here for ages. nor deal with the way to fast ttk

[gilded trout]

would be pretty simple to cut all damage output by half and reduce mob hp by half

[scenic hornet]

Subclasses would be amazing that I agree but it takes dev time

[scenic hornet]

Laugh in pdr fighter ❤️

[formal moon]

Buff ball as per usual

[paper vault]

yoo anyone else having lights disappear when far away? like it gets dark af when im 10 ft away from a light

[vagrant condor]

does anyone know how to fix run out of video memory bug? (I have a 4090 so shouldnt be issue)

[formal moon]

it's an issue with the game, nothing to be done

[gilded trout]

Remove the slayer fighter and dual wield perk, give it to rogue and i will call it fair

[merry nest]

ya and give doublejump to ranger

[small marsh]

I think it's funny that the moment ONE youtuber puts out a semi-coherent video essay about the state of the game and makes a sideline comment about "time-to-kill" and "skill expression" those words pop up far more regularly in the general cesspool of complainers. Not that it's wrong, it's just obvious that people don't form their own opinions and let others influence theirs heavily.

[merry nest]

I believe the term you are looking for is confirmation bias

[small marsh]

Oh, yes, thank you

[solar sage]

TTK is and has always been a big problem for non PDR classes.

My curse lock is supposed to rely on surviving in long lasting fights with magical healing.

Much harder to do when I get 2 tapped from across the room by a +11 phys power survival bow

[merry nest]

yeah TTK is kinda high and the gear disparity is too high which exacerbates the issue, I personally dont know what they should do but its bad.

[solar sage]

Remove gear that adds damage

Like random modifiers I mean.

Same with speed,remove +agi gear

[silent mauve]

What’s the point of gear score if I go against guys with 800 gesrscore while I have 300

[formal moon]

agree, but also a rogue main

[small marsh]

I mean, generally reducing damage is good

[merry nest]

id be ok with that agi as a stat is kinda pointless now that we have dex, movespeed builds are cringe to fight, they should just add more movement based skills

[small marsh]

I think if they want to keep HP values generally the same without changing any of the math, cut all damage in half

[formal moon]

Then armor builds are unkillable

[small marsh]

Why is that?

[merry nest]

it would make armor pen as a stat more valuable, no one really runs armor pen rn

[formal moon]

they would have to massively buff the amount of armor pen you can get

[merry nest]

yeah

[small marsh]

The math doesn't change, the percentages don't change, it'd just drastically increase time-to-kill and incentivize less aggressive tactics

[merry nest]

cutting damage values vastly impacts end damage vs pdr tho

[formal moon]

ya it does. because if they cut dmg whole sale. the classes that need 6 hits need 12 and the class that need 2 need 4. massive diff

[merry nest]

not to mention stuff like perseverance would become way stronger with lowered dmg

[smoky coyote]

is cross class gone yet

[merry nest]

yeh

[formal moon]

the reality is they need to re spec the way each class recieves benefits from base stats

[small marsh]

Cleric could probably use the buff

[merry nest]

but games still kinda dead so its meh

[formal moon]

i really don't get why they threw in the slot machine token system

[small marsh]

Something to earn, I suppose

It does feel like a placeholder for something else more fulfilling

[formal moon]

doesn't feel like earning when the whole thing is just insert a week of your life at the first implementation

[merry nest]

100% of the time if it doesnt make sense its about money

[formal moon]

. i was saying, they're testing out tolerance to p2w systems

[merry nest]

the sad thing is if they just make a good game it would make a ton of money regardless

[formal moon]

they've fallen for one the classic blunders. Changing your game before it's ready

[merry nest]

ya i kinda feel like the multiclass thing killed the playerbase especially since they removed it without adding anything interesting

[formal moon]

I didn't like it but I think they should have done it for the whole season

[misty veldt]

is it hard for new players to find people willing to group with them?

[zenith lynx]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F1mli9fyrhsrc1.png

Poe suffers the same three month player retention issue

[misty veldt]

aw damn

[mystic elm]

If you buy Dark and Darker from the website, when it comes to Epic, will you be able to transfer your data?

[zenith lynx]

No plz

[frozen umbra]

got my forth gold chest

[snow charm]

anyone having more crashes than normal?

[hard sierra]

Has demon form deaths been bugged? 2nd time I've killed a demonform lock and his body completely fails to materialize on the map

[jaunty topaz]

You act like landmines also weren't everywhere in the multiclass meta too

[merry nest]

yeah landmine barbs way scarier than landmine rogue

[jaunty topaz]

Yeah hide + Ambush was still extremely popular but also could be on a barbarian or fighter 💀

These kids make up any dumb thing to defend multiclassing when 90% of the playerbase agrees that MC was terrible

[merry nest]

it was fun but terrible yeah

[obsidian forum]

has there been a recorded case of someone managing to dodge the giant spider's venom spit? i need answers

[merry nest]

if u time it right you can jump out of the way or if u have enough movespeed and are enough distance away from it u can side step it

[jaunty grail]

Yeah I'll say it I legit hate warlock the class is extremely boring to play and and vs just nothing but curse of pain spam.

[frozen umbra]

The main issue is flame walker stopping all pushing against a geared warlock

[solar sage]

I SWEAR i dodged it once

I was far away from it,jumped strafed and somehow dodged

[obsidian forum]

i don't believe it, it can't be possible

[solar sage]

Just be super lucky and jump,be far from it,if you're in melee just accept faith,or jump on her head

[obsidian forum]

alright, i'll go sacrifice a goat and hope that helps me whenever i want to melee it :^)

[random thunder]

Anyone else having render distance issues? I cant see across a room since patch. I tried the Max Shadows then restart

[zenith radish]

same i think they changed distance for ranged meta

[blazing sinew]

is this game dead yet?

[meager stag]

game is at 5k players they seriously need to stop with the pointless balance changes and focus on some new content

[west marten]

where do you find active player counts?

[languid needle]

WTF WITH THE FOG WTF !!! FREAK HORROWSHOW FOG IN THE DUNGEON ALL MATCH>... it clouds my vision... you bastards have taken everything from me... now i cannot see very far... not far at all... you cant keep getting away with this....

[meager stag]

player list in game

literally been dropping slowly for weeks now were under 6k on a weekend lol

[vapid arch]

change shadow quality settings and it'll be fixed

[languid needle]

you are a genius.... im sure you will be rewarded soon, by fate's gracious hand...

[cursive dock]

whatever you guys are talking about it doesnt matter there are only empty lobbies

no players

[tranquil burrow]

@zinc sparrow Player pop -50% post MC, stop testing stuff out on production, use the test environment. (??)

[digital magnet]

BASED

[mental matrix]

The game is the test environment lmao, it’s ea

[digital magnet]

What region

On east im getting decently full ones atleas solos

[tranquil burrow]

Apparently lmao

[twin magnet]

"Ill come back when MC is gone" lmao

[ivory jay]

can anyone help me with a tcchnical issue? ive been disconnecting from raids constantly everything stops moving but i can still move around and eventually it disconnects me and its not my internet been having this issue for weeks and no one can help it makes this game unplayable after ive put over 1k hours into it

[weary pilot]

yo did they fix wizard lightning strike?

[scenic hornet]

It is tho lol

[twin magnet]

I think?

[static rapids]

It dropped once they announced MC being pulled. Once MC was playable player base went up 4K. anyone thinks the player base will jump back up because MC is gone is a funny guy

[knotty kernel]

MC was a bad addition, and it is good that it is gone. It is a shame that we won't be getting more new content this season, but MC was the wrong way to implement training, and subclassing to the game.

[knotty kernel]

This is a foolish response, there is no difference between an EA title and a live service game. They are the exact same thing. This game has been complete since it launched last year. If the devs don't treat this game as a released product and continually treat the playerbase like labrats the game will die.

[digital magnet]

THIS

[weary pilot]

ok thx

[mental matrix]

lmao, there is a huge difference between an ea game and a completed game. you knew that this was an unfinished game when you bought it and chose to buy it anyway. Modern EA is such a joke because people just expect it to be a full release. If it was a full release they would have called it that

[knotty kernel]

tell me, what is the difference between an EA game and a live service game? At what point is this game no longer in EA?

[mental matrix]

an ea game is still in development. a game is no longer in early access when it is fully released???? you dumb as hell

[sharp berry]

There is a monster difference. Lmao.

[knotty kernel]

Plenty of games never cease development. That is the point of the live service model which most video games offer now and days. So I ask what is the difference?

[knotty kernel]

what is it? If it is so large and pronounced you should be able to define it quite easily.

[mental matrix]

"Early Access is a unique development model that allows games to be played as they progress towards a full release. Early Access encourages ongoing updates from developers, while letting players participate in direct feedback through gameplay and community involvement." copied from steam lmao. all because you dont like the fact that its early access dosent change the definition

[sharp berry]

Live service game is a game that constantly releases content to keep player bases. And usually has paid content, like skins and shit. Examples: Fortnite , apex, league,

[knotty kernel]

and Dark and darker does not do these things? It does not release new content in an attempt to keep the playerbase, and does not have paid content like skins?

[sharp berry]

an early access game can be a live service game, but they aren’t mutually the same thing.

Early access mostly means they’re still developing the major components of the game u til they feel it’s “released”

[mental matrix]

you know how you complain about them testing things in the live server? thats the difference lmao

[sharp berry]

^

[knotty kernel]

Ok, so if the game was released, they wouldn't allow me to talk about changes they made, in the discord? That is the difference? Or is it that they wouldn't make changes based on peoples complaints once the game was released?

[mental matrix]

they wouldnt make as drastic of changes and implement huge changes in mechanics just for the point of collecting data

[knotty kernel]

So it is early access, becaue they make drastic changes to the game and collect data? Do no other games live service games do this, are the changes made to fortnite every season not drastic, does epic not collect data on those changes? Does Leauge of legends not do the same?

[mental matrix]

what are you actually trying to argue at this point? that EA dosent exist? that this game isnt EA?

[mental matrix]

lmao they typically dont say hey were gonna switch everyones abilities for a few weeks just to try it out in league no

[sharp berry]

They wouldn’t just throw an entire new multiclass system in the middle of a wipe, and then take it away, that’s for sure

[knotty kernel]

What I am arguing is that claiming this game is early access is not excuse for the devs to make poorly thought out and bad decisions which negative impact the player experience. We as paid players of the game, do not have to be happy with nor accept, bad changes just because the game is tagged "Early Access".

TLDR: Early Access is not an Argument

[sharp berry]

You can argue their decisions are poor, a lot of them have been lately, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s an early access game

[mental matrix]

I mean if they had said it was a full release sure, but they didnt. they said the whole time that this was an early release and would have a lot of testing during it. If you dont like that they you shouldnt have purchased it EA

[knotty kernel]

And whether the devs choose to call it early access, does not make any their changes good, well thought out, databased, justified, prudent, warranted, healthy, or correct.

As such calling the game early access is meaningless, it is not an argument to any critism any one has about the game or their enjoyability of it. Nor is it helpful in anyway

[sharp berry]

This game is an early access, meaning they’re doing a ton of testing every single wipe and you should have known this with all the pop ups sayings it’s an early access.

The things they decided to test were poor ideas.

Both things can be true

[silent notch]

could be worse. could be gig 😂

[sharp berry]

Again. Both things can be true.

[sharp berry]

I mean, it is an excuse. They tested something. Some people hated it, some didn’t. They got their data. Whether or not you like it doesn’t change the fact that early access is the point of drastic idea changes until they figure out how they want the game to be at full release. Good or bad.

[knotty kernel]

Just because the game is tagged "Early access" does not mean they need to do a ton of testing every single wipe. Plenty of other games tagged Early access have very little relative development between their intial sale and " full Release". The instability of the game is IM's choice, a choice which I am led to believe is the result of incompetence. Most certainly dont have 46 hotfixes.

[mental matrix]

you should be happy theyre doing lots of testing, leads to a better and sooner full release

[brisk mason]

debatable

[knotty kernel]

why would you believe that. There are many reasons why they are doing lots of testing, the simplest one being incompetence.

[static rapids]

Bad addition or not, it brought new players/ old players to the game, now that it’s gone 4K players have dropped off. Whether you liked it or not doesn’t matter

[sharp berry]

Not true at all, lmao it started dropping after the first week of mc and has stayed the same after mc was gone. I didn’t like mc, but you’re delusional

[static rapids]

was literally 10k until last week at the announcement, just because you’re saying it’s not true doesn’t mean jack lmfao.

[sharp berry]

No it wasn’t

[static rapids]

Whatever you say goofball, 10k and full lobbies for me until the announcement they were dropping it lmfao

[knotty kernel]

I would argue that the players it brought were fleeting. They came back because multiclass was flashy and wacky, and was a fun change of pace. However the inherent flaws became obvious very quickly, it got old and stale fast, and was not a stable enough change to retain those players it brought back, and worse it would have pushed more people away. The end result is that in a month we would have even less players than we do right now.

[subtle heart]

THIS GAME IS SO MUCH MORE FUN WITH OUT MULTICLASSING ON GOD ON GOD FR NO CAP

[knotty kernel]

agreed

[zealous chasm]

This has been the pattern of game development and release for that last 20 years. Get used to it.

[knotty kernel]

What do you mean exactly? are you saying I am incorrect in my statement that Ea and live service are the same? or are you saying I am correct?

[sharp berry]

well youre definitely not correct

or else fortnite, league of legends, hunt showdown, apex legends would all be early access games

[vapid arch]

league hunt and apex might as well still be in EA because they're all shit

[zealous chasm]

But you can't play your Dota Character in Diapers!

[bleak cliff]

whats meta right now

[sudden aspen]

Many other 30 dev game studios?

[subtle heart]

I think AMD cards are having an issue with draw distance in game rn

[plucky eagle]

im also having a draw distance problem i have a nvidia

i cant see across a room its just pitch black

[knotty kernel]

I doubt IM has more than 4 actually developing the game.

And yes, many indie games with only 1 or 2 devs that release in early access will have a far less rocky development than this game has. I don't understand why people feel a need to simp for IM, What have they done to gain your confidence?

[summer bloom]

does any one know what setting it is to make light load from furhter away? after this last update i cant see across long distances theres just so much shadow

[white nest]

change shadows for "epic" then restart game

[sudden aspen]

By any chance are you able to name a few?

[untold wasp]

make crypt bosses soloable for solo Q

[jaunty topaz]

Ghost King isn't too hard to solo
Lich is very very difficult for solo tho
And Warlord is just simply impossible for solo 💀

[restive frost]

Lich with warlock is very easy and warlord is just hard but possible but very hard

[jaunty topaz]

Warlock is just a cheatcode to make any fight ez

what a broken class

[restive frost]

only in solos

killing boss when theres a warlocks hellfire floating through the room is annoying but I think warlocks somewhat balanced

[rapid fractal]

anyone getting that dark fog while playing?

[jaunty topaz]

bruh your class is literally a god in pvp too don't even pretend

[stable echo]

has anyone else noticed some wierd lighting changes with the new update? like I cant see across a room like I could before the update and my friends dont have the same issue as me. I also have some issues with lighting from spells like casting a warlock spell is so bright its almost blinding. Does anyone know how to fix this?

[gilded prairie]

Change your shadows to 'Epic' and restart your game.

That seems to be the common fix

[worthy talon]

whats the gear score cap for high roller to stay in the lower bracket?

[jaunty topaz]

299 or below is the standard bracket and 300 or more is the "High Gear" bracket

[shell oxide]

How can i check the gear score

[jaunty topaz]

Your inventory tell you, the number below your gold

[slow wing]

If you're a Rogue running Viola you go poison damage and more True Magical damage right?

[jaunty topaz]

The scaling on poison is super garbage, just invest in normal stuff

[slow wing]

Viola gives +10 to True Magical damage, so I was thinking if I went full true magical on top of that each tick would be some insane damage. Right?

[jaunty topaz]

I don't know what the scaling on viola is but I do know the scaling on poison is just abysmally bad and not worth it

If you can find magic dmg cheaper than phys it might be ok

[slow wing]

because I have 21 True magical

[jaunty topaz]

In general tho I think it's more important to max movespeed and hp first then pick whatever damage you feel like, I'm not really sure if building magic w/viola is worth it but it could be fun to try

I can't even afford viola rn after losing like 3 bis kits last weekend 💀

[slow wing]

I already have max move speed

[slow wing]

I pulled mine from a token

[jaunty topaz]

Nice

I have yet to get any uniques from my tokens, I got multiple chars over lv 100 💀

Had to earn my bis kits the hard way (farming gold piles in dead servers at 3am )

[warped raft]

servers are fried right now, us-east feels like im connected to the moon base

[obsidian hill]

how do you kite as ranger if barb and fighter are faster?

[jaunty topaz]

Forceful Shot is the goated skill imo

You should always try to play around your traps as Ranger but Forceful Shot is an excellent backup to dudes trying to bum rush you

Push them back with Forceful Shot + Quick Shot and it will waste their sprints

[obsidian hill]

aight ill give it a go thanks!

[jaunty topaz]

Forceful Shot works best with Survival Bow but it's also decent on Recurve Bow

[rigid field]

After the patch my game became complete dark beyond around 25 30feet, is that only me or this is the way now?

[warped raft]

i love how all enemy arrows, yea those little wooden shafts, can break open huge solid log doors lol i mean comethefuckon whos idea was this? they should be fired.

we hit the door with the same arrows and get the true response lol not breaking that door with an arrow

[scenic hornet]

Lmao its EA just accept it

[sinful gull]

How does the community feel about these long wipe times? We have allways seen these rapid declines in the playerbase if we had longer wipes. I thought in the past that it would be a no brainer to keep these under 2 months based on previous tests. Or would this duration be fine with a more optimized economy?

[sly frost]

is anyone else bored after multi class?

[ebon palm]

oh you mean tearing down every single classes identity and what made them unique and jumbling it all together made the game boring? Who could've forseen this happening?!!?!1212

[gusty root]

yup, stopped played the game for now. At least MC gave a purpose to grind and try every character.

[naive temple]

Hello guys. Did you ever face error -16 when you launch the game. And what should i do to fix it?

[scenic hornet]

Yeah removing MC was such a mistake just to cater to loud crybabies

[gusty root]

worst part isn't that they removed the MC... it's that they didn't give us anything in exchange

[scenic hornet]

I think u misunderstood lmao

[gusty root]

4 weeks before the end of season it makes absolutely no sense.

[scenic hornet]

Its 100% cuz of some crybabies nothing else to say tbh

[gusty root]

yeah that I know, it's always have been like that with IM, so sad

[ebon palm]

Half the changes they make are due to whiney ass streamers

[gusty root]

hard to tell honestly. Only people complaining spend time to write stuff on reddit and discord.

[tidal kelp]

refer to the deletion of the middle gear bracket. Worst decision in regard to gbmm.

[gusty root]

Tbh GBMM seems like a good idea at first but probably isn't since everyone will always stay closer to the limit.

I admit 199 limit was funnier and more fair

[tidal kelp]

it works the more brackets there are, unfortunately the playerbase for it to function won't be there until they launch on epic. Ideally they would rework it so that the score of the highest person in the lobby cannot be over a certain amount above the lowest person in the lobby. Probably within 100 gear score.

[worthy cradle]

If GBMM took random modifiers into account properly, it might be the best iteration of gear balance the game has ever seen.
Everyone would opt for low-gearscore HR, and for good reason

[gusty root]

agree with you. Player count is too low to even test this properly

[tidal kelp]

this too, unless they just remove +damage rolls maybe. +damage is just too much stronger that any of the other rolls.

[worthy cradle]

flat damage specifically. +% damage isn't that big of an issue.
In a perfect world, +flat damage perks would also be removed completely in favor of %

[gusty root]

Green gear has become useless and now that MC is gone it's even worse.

[ebon palm]

mostly because certain classes perks give them 15+ fucking weapon damage 😭

[tidal kelp]

they could just make perks that make certain weapons mechanically better rather than throwing +damage at them.

[worthy cradle]

This. A fun perk is a perk that modifies ability, be it skills or weapon use.
+stat was, is and always will be BORING. Regardless if it comes from gear, perks or anything else

[torpid helm]

if you have items with +magic healing does it work with bards tranquility song?

[tired chasm]

Hey, I was wondering whether anyone else had trouble connecting to a game. Everything works up to the point where I click on START to begin matchmaking, after that it usually takes 30-40s for the game to return the prompt 'Match is still in progress. Would you like to reconnect? If you do not log in again, you will lose all your items.' at which point both options 'yes' and 'no' end up taking me back to the character selection screen.I have made exceptions for the .exe in my firewall preferences and my connection works fine, has anyone found a way around this issue?

[brittle stream]

Should make a samurai class and subsequent weapons kinda like a mix of ranger and fighter

[tidal kelp]

If they add katanas I'm uninstalling.

[brittle stream]

Ur crazy would be legit lol a katana could just be slightly longer than a longsword and do slightly less damage while focusing on slash attacks rather than stabbing and keeping parry it's not even like it's off genre this game clearly borrows heavily from dungeons and dragons and there are katanas in that as well as extended universes like baldurs gate etc.

Not only that but samurai could be proficient with both longbow and sword rn fighter is heavily melee oriented with a touch of range ranger is heavily ranged oriented with a touch of melee samurai could be a good balance of the 2

[tidal kelp]

Keep inferior weeb trash pig-iron weapon out of the game.

[brittle stream]

Tbh now I kinda hope they add it not even because I want it just cause you'll uninstall 😂😂

[tidal kelp]

They need every mau they can get at this point. (The only subjective part of my statement about katanas is that they are trash, the rest of it is just historically accurate.)

☝️

[brittle stream]

And in real life if a guy tried to shoot lightning at you you'd put him in therapy but hey I just like to have fun

[tidal kelp]

putting it in the game creates certain expectations from people that put it on a pedestal that would see it be the most over-tuned item in the game.

[brittle stream]

In real life drinking strawberry Kool aid doesn't heal stab wounds either and skeletons don't walk around trying to solicit like Mormons but one thing that's pretty consistent in fantasy genre games and movies is that katanas exist 😂

I mean the same could be said for wooden round shields and battle axes

[tidal kelp]

the only possible saving-grace should they add it to the game is that this game isn't made in japan so it wouldn't be demanded by their culture to be better than foreign-type swords.

[brittle stream]

I feel like you guys are focusing on realism in an incredibly unrealistic game lmao

[tidal kelp]

many of the weapons in this game would just get stuck in the round shield

[brittle stream]

Shields broke all the time in the medieval era Vikings even had a rule in duals that you get 2 in case one breaks

I never said it wouldn't lol

[tidal kelp]

Plate armor would make having a shield useless in this game as most of the weapons couldn't do anything to you

[brittle stream]

I said a round shield would lose to a battle axe lmao

Imy whole thing was that with a samurai it would be the medium between range and melee sort of in the middle of ranger and fighter it wouldnt be the best at either but a balanced mix of both

[tidal kelp]

A samurai would just be a Fighter RPing.

[brittle stream]

I guess but keeping the finesse of a longsword so parry's with the katana and arrows with a long bow

[tidal kelp]

I think any weapon that you can block with should have a riposte.

[brittle stream]

Except with more of a predesignation to dex instead of strength

[tidal kelp]

Fighter is the middle ground

[brittle stream]

True

The thing I don't like with fighter is his range capabilities I'd be happy with fighter if it was possible to use a bow instead of a crossbow just feels so slow to play

[tidal kelp]

They can?

[brittle stream]

Been opting for melee warlock instead with longsword

They can not lol at least I am not able to

[tidal kelp]

A fighter can use any martial weapon, that's part of the class fantasy.

[brittle stream]

Oh true I guess if you use the perk but that kinda seems like a waste

[tidal kelp]

y, it makes them insanely versatile? I don't know why it doesn't work for traps though.

[brittle stream]

Why don't you want me to be happy I just want a slashy sword with parry

[tidal kelp]

Almost every sword is a slashy sword. A sword is a cutting weapon, there are a few made for thrusting but every sword cuts.

LS riposte is 2 slashes.

[brittle stream]

You're pretty pedantic

https://tenor.com/view/shallow-pedandic-pedantry-pedant-family-guy-gif-26075926

[tidal kelp]

Eh, it's not that I don't like katanas, it's that I find the katana crowds unbearable as people.

[brittle stream]

I mean don't get me wrong there is a wrong way to add them elden ring proves that making them the most op weapon is not what I want I think it would only be fun if there was a larger skill gap for using them sort of like rogue you can be good with rogue but it's hard I've been saying they should work on some better combat mechanics maybe take some notes from chivalry 2 not necessarily exactly like that but having 1 attack button and a set sequence of attacks for each weapon feels clunky and makes for a lower skill gap

[tidal kelp]

I would very much like to avoid Rivers of Blood or Moonveil situations in this game.

[brittle stream]

Basically I'd like to at least make the decision whether my opening attack is a stab or a slash instead of having to stab first lose the surprise and then slash feints would be cool too

[unborn lichen]

anyone know what this icon means? Kind of look like a goblin face. It look like a buff of some kind

[tidal kelp]

There exists a technique where you can skip the initial stab animation on the longsword by throwing a torch first.

[tranquil blaze]

Having tumble with a longsword kind of felt like this. I played it with no ranged option so it was all moving in and out of cover or forcing them to come to me. It was a lot of fun.

[tranquil blaze]

Really? That's pretty interesting

[cinder thunder]

any of you guys encountered error code 16? I cant lauch the game at all

[wind venture]

warlocks should NOT be allowed to regen from the hydra, that mechanic is just beyond broken.

[rocky plover]

why can't i see the gold bag crafting recipe?

[modest remnant]

anyone know how long it took them to release the warlock class after it was in the testing phase, similar to how druid is now in the testing phase?

[vapid arch]

idk when warlock was released but it wasn't finished for a long time

[wind venture]

It's still kinda unfair to be honest

[honest badge]

has anyone figured out a way to actually survive the cyclops rock fall? or is it still just get lucky to not get double rocked

[vapid arch]

crouch jump after 1 second when he slams his club on the ground in the first phase and half a second every phase after that

you can still get hit by rocks as they fall on your head and two rocks can spawn in the same place

[honest badge]

yea i do that but then still just get headshot by rocks

[vapid arch]

so in that regard it is RNG

[honest badge]

upsetting

[vapid arch]

quite

[subtle heart]

very good point ^

[fervent latch]

probably whatever skin youre using

[forest crown]

anyone know how to get to the wendigo behind an ice wall

[rocky plover]

is there a tierlist for the classes anywhere? i want to know what the community's opinions are on the classes and which ones are good/bad

[modest remnant]

it depends on the mode but generally im hearing people hating warlock the most.

[rocky plover]

and where would ranger scale in that regard?

[knotty kernel]

you are correct they should not

[brisk mason]

does anyone know if there is a way to turn a handled gem into a looted one with this new system?

[vapid arch]

as far as i know, if you get a teammate to bring it in then kill them and loot it off their body its then looted

[graceful storm]

not forsure but you could get a friend to bring it in, kill them and see what it says then revive

[vapid arch]

haven't tried it though

[graceful storm]

rangers < warlocks change my mind

[proven pewter]

If you have a flute with +3 agi in your belt do you get the stats all the time or only when it is out and in use?

[stark belfry]

when it's out

[proven pewter]

ty buddy

[stark belfry]

if that was true, I would be running all of the phys damage bonus lutes ive been finding

Lyre*

[proven pewter]

lol yeah appreciate you not making me load into a HR lobby just to find out

[stark belfry]

lol

[graceful storm]

thats what she said

[pure valve]

yo can we get a pve server

[outer ridge]

No

[sudden aspen]

Rangers counter casters lol

[stark belfry]

get out of here tarkov dev

[pure valve]

how about a server for new players?

[sullen hearth]

Game was more fun with MultiClass

[misty iris]

my friend has the game on chaf games how does he transfer to blacksmith?

[elder orbit]

does swift apply to a regal gambeson

[gilded prairie]

Swift applies to any armor equipped

[gilded prairie]

Normal lobbies are the best avenue for new players

[pure valve]

LOL

[molten sable]

thats what grays is for

[ripe flume]

GBMM busted we got full legendary / unique chads slaying players in Squire gear #balanced

[opaque vapor]

remove time limit on spectate for last person alive

[idle cliff]

Is anyone experiencing dead lobbies? My group and I have played 4 lobbies in high roller trio Crypts, 3 times in 299 and 1 time in 300+ and at most there has been 1 team

[ebon palm]

deserved tbh. I'm tired of companies releasing unpolished dogwater quality games under this "oh it's beta/alpha/testing phase" so they can pay their investors immediately and use that as a scapegoat for awful game design/decisions. It's the newest bandwagon to hop on in the video game scene and it's beyond stupid.

Just finish the fucking game and quit being so greedy

Exactly, it's beyond obvious that the devs main fighter and barb; and are trash at it(I've seen the devs play, they have the reaction time of an inbred sloth)

if 90% of players are running the same perks from two whole classes there's a balance issue with THOSE two classes

[idle cliff]

Is anyone experiencing dead lobbies? My group and I have played 4 lobbies in high roller trio Crypts, 3 times in 299 and 1 time in 300+ and at most there has been 1 team

[ebon palm]

unga bunga W keyers can't play anything else except barb and fighter and they'll be catered to until the game dies

Can't wait for 10 years of this games "beta" just like 7 days To Die

Skinnypete is the only person I've ever watched that made barb look skillfull purely based upon his movement, spacing, and map knowledge. He's great.

and he doesn't even use mouse and keyboard, he's got a pad/stylus combo and a weird looking gamepad thing

[finite laurel]

what was player count during multiclass?

[low hemlock]

is the game dead or dying? past week ive been playing and lobbies are mostly empty and almost never see anyone inside dungeons themselves

[finite laurel]

3k ppl spread across multiple regions, maps, GBMM and ranks?

not enough people probably

[low hemlock]

damn. unfortunate. just started playing again after a year cuz i thought druid finally dropped but it was only in playtest

[vapid lark]

So unfortunate too because it’s been fumble after fumble

[low hemlock]

whats GBMM, game based match making?

[finite laurel]

gear. based on your gear score

[low hemlock]

oh weird, i feel like itd have the opposite effect

[finite laurel]

they should remove different queues and go for a more "free-for-all" style imo

[glass trellis]

Is anybody else crashing after this new update?
I verified files 3 times un-installed game and blacksmith
I'm just crashing every match

[fervent latch]

try updating graphics drivers, helped my game

[graceful storm]

does anyone know if taking damage from casting warlock spells disqualify you from the no damage escape quests?

[glass trellis]

already did

[graceful storm]

[modest remnant]

for the frost covered funds quest, does it work on small oak chests?

what a dumb quest lol

I opened 16 oak chests and small oak chests on ice caves and escaped in one session, and imagine just not getting the quest completed. great game.

[jagged lily]

I’m struggling to get AP on the higher ranks, averaging about 100-150 AP with full inventory. Do I need to bring in gear that I can swap out from looted stuff in the dungeon?

[wary magnet]

if it did it would say so

[jagged lily]

Ice caves, exemplar. It was going fine before but now I slowed down to a crawl. Tentative to take crap gear that I swap out for what I find bc I do get into battles sometimes and it’s nice to have a good kit but last round I extracted with +55 AP lol

[random echo]

sounds about right. i think your climb will be super slow on ice caves. I hit demigod on crypts when it was trio only as a solo. I was forced to go to level 2 everygame even after killing everything in level 2 and having a full inventory of treasure i would get like 400 ap

[random echo]

its tough for me to give advice for ice caves though im not sure what you can peak at in regards to ap

[jagged lily]

Dang ok. So it’s just the rank that cranks things up. Gold pile is optimal but it’s risky to go for every game, especially with the entrance fee. I’ll try crypts tho

[random echo]

for the final ranks of exemplar i suggest running crypts just so your actually able to gain a significant amount of ap each run. in exemplar I'm able to get 1000 ap out of a perfect game on crypts where i go level 2 kill and loot everything i can

[random echo]

just bring lockpicks 100%

[quasi prism]

How though? The entry on Crypts is so darn high 😦

[random echo]

its just what i did personally. in crypts you have two levels to farm ap and loot. the other maps only having one level really just limits the amount of stuff you can kill/loot. level 2 crypts is also the best loot in the game compared to anything else.

[quasi prism]

Hmm, I'll have to try it more later I suppose- I can just never seem to get more than like even 100 ap profit even when I'm with my duo

[stuck geyser]

i just got nipalan from reward tokens is it normal?

[restive frost]

when rouge get glock?

[outer ridge]

does the looting handled items back to looted not work anymore? just tried it didnt work unless i did something wrong

[high sapphire]

im really thinking they need a musket on ranger lmao

dude what is up with norms and sweats i swear they try harder than the people in hr and they dont even run gear, is timmy stomping what most people want to do?

[tardy sandal]

Yes

[analog mountain]

sa

[obtuse tartan]

Is it worth trying to use the skull key? I got one, and I'm like tempted to try and run it but there's so much risk.

[vapid arch]

considering the chances of getting an artifact are really low they're better used as a gold sink

but if you want to gamble with 20k then that's up to you

[ancient mango]

lmao this game died really quick

[zinc totem]

A lot of people grinded for multi class. Wonder how many wouldn’t have if they knew it would end so quickly

[fervent prawn]

What effects do cleric’s protection from evil protect you from?

[hard rock]

is this game ass or good

[frozen umbra]

Ass if you look objectively, good if you ignore certain ass things.
Technically; the balance is bad, the community is toxic and the devs are ignorant most of the time
In practice; the games combat is fun, the good parts feel better then the worse and the devs are atleast honest ig

[vital scaffold]

this game is good ass

[hard rock]

explain? and can you explain multi assing

[vital scaffold]

multi assing needs no explanation, only prostration

[whole lagoon]

rip lobbies is more dead now, empty lobbies most of the time in above 300 gear points & above pathfinder even for solo&duo

[hard rock]

game is ass go play arena breakout infinite

[magic spruce]

No it doesnt, your best bet is to hit the room with the lions head and the shield giant, theres 10 oak chests in that room alone (above and below) you should only have to clear a couple more modules and then you can boat out. Hope this helps

[modest remnant]

Thanks.

[tidal plover]

When this game don’t survive another wipe you gonna be wishing you didn’t gear fear it

[worthy talon]

if you dont use it, it was like you never even had it in the first place.

[obtuse tartan]

Its more like, 20k or go into a game and die going for it more like. :^)

[worthy talon]

if you have that much gear fear, do you really think youll use 20k worth of gear?

[obtuse tartan]

I mean I use gear, I just dont make 20k valued kits.

[worthy talon]

if you think youll burn through 20k then sure, maybe thats a better option.

[vale moat]

dont fucking run bro these other guys in here are tripping

only time you EVER run a skull key is if it drops from ghost king

[sacred juniper]

"Your latency to this server is too high. Please select a different server region."

How can I fix this? No servers work

[vale moat]

play asia server for a game and then switch back

[vale moat]

the 19k you'll get from the key is more worth then trying to fight your way through lobbies for a chance of ghost king inferno, for a chance for an artifact. You take 3 chances running that shit, only way to minimize the risk is to have it drop from ghost king.

[odd gale]

yo any quick tips on how to change the light situation going on.. cant see across a room rn and its annoying

[undone belfry]

any body have torches at distance not lighting up until you get within distance?

[undone belfry]

thanks for the help

[broken sable]

guys 7 ms or 4 magi heal?

[static rapids]

Switch shadows to high and restart your game

[static rapids]

Same issue as the guy above you

[odd gale]

thx

[versed mountain]

hot take bard should have sprint

[naive oxide]

You will begin to cough in three days.

[versed mountain]

wtf

[naive oxide]

The take was too hot so I have laid my most powerful curse upon you

Now for my next curse: your car’s check engine light will turn on.

Your gifs will fail to embed.

[versed mountain]

my god he is to powerfull

[naive oxide]

[versed mountain]

me when they nerf bard for no reason for the 1000th time

[naive oxide]

So is it true that the walking shoeless sound effect is a dev’s wife’s feet slapping on the tiles fresh out of the shower?

[uneven nebula]

Queued into a game with a trio, somehow my game crashed randomly like 3-4x in a row, and then my team gets sent in with juiced kits without me lol… can we plz fix these bugs 😕

[static rapids]

LOL

[errant folio]

where can you mine gold ore

and why is ruins gone and what that the only map where you could farm gold ore

[jaunty topaz]

Hell

[sinful gull]

3+month wipe cycles... very healthy for this game as we see...

[ebon palm]

went from 40k players, to 10k, then to 3k

maybe they'll get the message once it drops to 500

[cloud geyser]

high roller solos full of teaming chinese again lmao just like the good old days

[jaunty topaz]

trios too tbh

blatant esp abusers, got some banned

teamers and cheaters are all so damn annoying

[cloud geyser]

they aren't gonna ban all these cheaters with player count at an all time low

games dead either way

[jaunty topaz]

The next content patch/wipe/platform release always boosts the numbers but IM really needs to crack down on cheaters for the long term health of the game

Cheaters need to be shot on sight

[lone garnet]

How much i wish this game was finished

[modest remnant]

if I increase affinity with the treasurer, will he sell me coin bags or upgraded purses at all?

[wary magnet]

no but he does have an empty service tab so he may have som crafts in the future

[modest remnant]

hm okay. so is there methods to obtaining coin bags without going into marketplace?

[wary magnet]

leathersmith crafts them at around 50 or 75 affinity for 1 troll pelt and 3 wolf pelts

[modest remnant]

ty

[wary magnet]

but you should continue the treasurer quests because the final quest (4 legendary gems) gives you a gold coin chest

[modest remnant]

4 legendary gems?

like a yellow rarity ruby for instance?

[wary magnet]

yep they have to be (Royal)

[modest remnant]

or is that just the quest name

[modest remnant]

by chance do you know the best place to find one of those? something like hr hell treasure piles I'm guessing?

if I wanted to interact with normal ice caverns treasure piles, do you know the % chance a royal gem could drop if that's how it works in the game?

[wary magnet]

all the treasure piles have the same exact loot tables, only thing that changes is the size.
but treasure pile in normals have worse treasure.
The best place to find the royals would be in any HR treasure hoard with luck and the golden/lions head chests in inferno HR

[wary magnet]

The wiki isn't showing the loot tables rn, so I'm not sure

[modest remnant]

well ty for the responses

[jaunty topaz]

yeah the HR loot piles are a good source of royals gem as well as the high tier chests in Inferno HR

The problem tho is actually finding non-repeating gems and getting out alive with them lmao

getting the same gems that you already have is so annoying

[candid hull]

Can anbody link me an updated link for maps/wiki?

cant seem to find anything that is updated within the last 4 moths

[plain hare]

Hey guys haven't played in a few months how's the recent updates? Heard druid is out

[undone belfry]

thanks man

[sinful gull]

I just hope they have some good ideas for the next season and we get at least 10k back.. This season is cooked anyway even before mc..

[lone garnet]

season hasn't started, there is not timer

[rustic laurel]

why is there a full gold bard in a lobby and im all green

[lone garnet]

if the server doesn't meet a certain population gbmm is off

[cosmic lava]

so it's useless, good to know

[silent pulsar]

Question for y’all. Do you find more try hards min maxing in 0-299 lobbies or above? Looking to push ranks soon but haven’t played much this season. See a lot of very intensely geared sweats at 299 atm

[grand yew]

doesnt barbs achilles go away when they hit a wall ?

[brave sparrow]

Is crouch sneak faster then shift sneak with creep?

[brave sparrow]

yes I think

[summer fiber]

When it was just in the test server, I noticed that the higher tier lobbies where kinda dead for the most part because of people doing exactly that, wouldn't be surprised if that's still the case now that it's hit the main server.

[summer fiber]

Most of the time it would be me alone or maybe 1 to 2 others in the high gear lobbies while the low gear lobbies were full every time

[sudden aspen]

The test server had 100 active players lol, the real ones have 10,000+

Definitely a lot more people in the higher geared lobbies. 300gs is really low for anyone that isn’t actively min maxing their gear and just tryna build a kit

[brisk mason]

Its not that low. Its just that heals apply to it which is another big flaw in there awful gbmm design

[worthy cradle]

Wonder what the playercount would be, if all cheaters were banned immediately. -15%?

Also wonder what the real playercount (People in dungeon) would be in an SSF world.
Remove marketplace & trading, make merchants relevant and add a shared stash tab, and you will see lobbies more full

[brisk mason]

No you wont

[silent pulsar]

Just wondering if anyone is actively grinding solo ranks and if it’s more competitive above or below the line 😅

[brisk mason]

That sounds aids. Other than the shared stash. It’s crazy they still havent added a way to transfer between acounts

[worthy cradle]

Less to do outside of dungeon = more people in dungeon, assuming the same playerbase

[brisk mason]

But ppl gonna quit cause i wouldn’t wanna play that

[worthy cradle]

I doubt that, but we'll never know, probably

[woeful plume]

The PvP player base isn't big enough to sustain. Forcing people into a dungeon who obviously don't want to be there, isn't the answer.

[wild rock]

The wheels on the bus go round and round round and round round and round the wheels on the bus go round and round all day long

[harsh elm]

hi can someone tell me how to fix the light bug? I cant see the end of a room anymore its all dark, before the last patch that wasnt a problem

[woeful plume]

If I remember correctly...go to video settings, switch the shadow slider to Epic, or Low...Save...then exit the game, exit the launcher and restart.

[harsh elm]

Thanks for the help will try it out

unfortunately it didnt help will try to repair the game

[woeful plume]

It seems like there was a blurb about it in the announcement thread. Might check there for the deets. It's a known issue.

[harsh elm]

after reparing the game it seems to work again!

[terse stratus]

Buff cleric

[long ivy]

Anyone else having sever ping spikes since the last patch? when D&D is running i can get ping spikes of 100-300 when i exit the client ping sits at 18 solid

[hearty shadow]

You then have to adjust your shadows to low or normal after the client reset.
Sometimes you have to adjust the setting in game again

I've had this issue and it's been fixed each time I do that. Change to epic. Save restart. Load up. Switch back settings.

[tropic glen]

Trying to do the skeleton warlord and having trouble for one of his attacks. I know he points when he orders the guards to throw knives but he also points when he creates the blue pie slice. I've seen videos where people crouch and look down as if they can discern the difference, how do you know when he creates a pie slice vs when he orders a knife throw?

[dawn gate]

what is a golden chest worth

[vapid arch]

about 2 skull keys rn which is around 40k

they're declining in value as wipe approaches

[elfin fern]

let them cook, class specializations should be interesting

[gilded prairie]

I don't mind letting them cook; I just disagree with removing it without adding anything else to the game.

They should've kept it in a bit longer until we had some more content; anything to get excited about

[elfin fern]

ehh, i dont miss the smite rogues and achilles rangers and cleric locks

oh and sprint barbs

different strokes i guess, i dont miss it at all

then again im monoclass bard so

[ancient vector]

i tried to jump back in the game in the middle of mc and it def was a pain when i was just regular

[worthy cradle]

To the people who want to sit in marketplace / trade and never enter the dungeon, i recommend the stock market.
You can even papertrade for free

[knotty kernel]

Your right Marketplace is bad for the game, we need to remove it and go back to the trading post

This is a mistake in perspective, Yes classes which are bad right now like rogue and cleric got lifted up, but classes that were already good just got propelled into unstoppable. MC did more to make the classes that already win win harder by covering all their downsides. The weapon master sprint barbarian was proof of this. IM should just be honest about which classes are weak and give them a small buff, and if that doesnt work give them another small nerf untill things are good

[rose axle]

Can two people use the stairs that take you to inferno?

[brisk mason]

Infinite ppl can

[rose axle]

ty

[jaunty topaz]

As the old saying goes, "The gates to hell are always open for more"

[rose axle]

When do they open?

[jaunty topaz]

All static escapes/downward stairs are guaranteed to open before the end of the round but the exact timing of when they will open is random

The closer to round end the more likely they are to open, and sometimes don't open until deep in the swarm

[brisk mason]

2 minutes 45 left i believe for all red statics

They all open at the same time for red statics

[jaunty topaz]

Wiki says down portals can start opening at 3:30 but idk if the same applies for statics

[brisk mason]

If you go in you will see all red statics open at 2:45.
Blue statics completely random i think

[jaunty topaz]

Hmm interesting, I will have to double check next time I play because I could have sworn reds were also semi-random

[void cedar]

hey! i didnt get the blue skeleton ranked drop even though i reached the rank? can anyone help?

[jaunty topaz]

In order to claim seasonal rewards you must check the previous season stats from the Leaderboard tab and manually clain the rewards

Idk if it's still possible to claim last seasons rewards tho

Is it just me or is the AP cost spike between Blue and Purple rank pretty harsh

I have to really lock in to make a profit in purple rank

[elfin fern]

static reds in crypts open at 3:00 as of this patch

[rose axle]

like 3 mins left?

[elfin fern]

yes

is ranking ap broken for anyone else? the game can't seem to decide if i'm pathfinder I or voyager 3 between deaths and extracts

[jaunty topaz]

Your rank is different for each group size

Unless you mean you're fluctuating between those 2 ranks

[tough pollen]

why are all the servers too high latency rn, tf is this

[elfin fern]

yes, between those two ranks in only solos

[uneven nebula]

Well lads, the cheaters are back on the game. just killed a giga cheater fighter LOLOLOLOLOL

[gilded prairie]

They never left honestly

[uneven nebula]

nah it was not even close to as bad as it was today

[undone belfry]

Lol you damn right. I'm pretty sure I fought one where I had 2 melee headshots not register on him. What's new on the cheatblock?

[neat tundra]

Hey i installed blacksmith on my buddies computer and it says file curruption when i run the launcher after i installed it using the .exe. ive redownloaded it a couple times deleting all files related to it after the last couple installs. I tried the default install location and specifying a drive aswell. How do i fix this?

[lofty hatch]

man, after multiclassing, im having significantly less fun on every class. still getting 5+ kills a match, but man it wasw more fun when i didnt know what i was about to fight

[scenic hornet]

Exactly what Ive been saying during MC, without MC the game is soooo predictable and stale

[elfin fern]

us youngbloods and monoclassers couldnt compete, it's better gone

[restive cipher]

Redownloading the game after a long break, downloads are super slow on blacksmith, anybody have a fix?

[scenic hornet]

Oh it was clearly op but damn it was fun to have such build diversity with some tunings couldve been amazing

[true panther]

Im not sure if tuning would have been enough. Eventually it would have always become a pain point. Realistically a progression system is what is needed, BUT i think multiclassing isn't the answer.

[lucid saffron]

solos on ice caves/crypts is straight up broken depending on spawns. tune down the amount of pve its ridiculous

[true panther]

You think? What areas are you getting that are rough?

[elfin fern]

you mean you don't like having a room with 20 red axe skellies?

[true panther]

I think mob density is a bit high if your going in solo, but its still doable

[scenic hornet]

Oh itll be better with a progression but damn until then game feel stale af once we tasted build variety

[elfin fern]

sure there were some fun experiments to watch but it boiled down to fewer builds than classes by the end

[true panther]

I can kind of agree with that. Still enjoyable but slow content pushes has made me play some other games recently

[elfin fern]

that's how it goes in any competitive game where there isnt quick active balancing

[lucid saffron]

most of them

[true panther]

I wouldn't say all competitive games but yea, there is typically a "standard" to follow

[steady zodiac]

how can this be possible?

https://medal.tv/es/games/dark-and-darker/clips/2cPxMUWkFrbFmM/d1337xV1aquI?invite=cr-MSxTTXAsOTQzOTM0NCw

138 GS

[velvet shard]

It’s pretty sick for hellfire xp farming

[rocky plover]

is the game supposed to prevent u from bringing a coin purse into a normal game? it seems pretty stupid to me

[jaunty topaz]

Even with casting Hellfire on the conga line it still takes forever and a half to clear some of those rooms 💀

Everyone knows Ice Cave mobs need to be thinned a little but IM doesn't seem to think so

Also some of those spawns are just straight up broken, you literally get a kobold on your ass in half a second

Which also screams and drags more kobolds to you

Who else remembers when they had that spawn in Goblin Caves that literally put you right next to a goblin
Some of those Ice Caves spawns are the exact same lmao

[tardy sandal]

That was fire, going afk for a bit and immediately losing half your health

[jaunty topaz]

Same shi for some of these Ice Caves spawns 💀

[tardy sandal]

Gotta love having 5 kobolds spawn rush you because one of them walked into aggro range

[rocky plover]

is there an actual down portal in ice caverns or is that just a bug on the map website?

[noble stirrup]

I miss multiclass. My bardbarian was getting so good

[sudden pewter]

Does anyone know how i can report someone in here?

[long relic]

nice matchmaking... both my duo under 299 and EVERYONE in this lobby is 590+

[hasty lynx]

uh, is draw distance royally effed for anyone else? I cannot see as far as i could last week

[jaunty topaz]

Change shadows to high and restart game

[hasty lynx]

ty

[jaunty topaz]

Classic ironmace jank

[long hornet]

How do i request a refund i accidentally bought two accounts

[outer ridge]

fix mob pathing

[light summit]

+299 lobbys are dead in US EAST 😦

[mortal talon]

Damn in 2 hrs there have been 10 messages in here.

[sleek pilot]

I remember a time on OCE where the solo lobbies were full, and next to nobody was pre teaming. 9 months onward and its dead and there's little prevetion for the cheaters that have killed the lobbies.. rip dark and darker

[light summit]

CAn we please be allowed to backout if a lobby is dead?

[jaunty topaz]

Sure just wait until the game starts then exit to lobby

[light summit]

In high roller?

[honest badge]

dead everywhere becuase theres people going in lobbies with 298 only

[jaunty topaz]

[honest badge]

also for some reason gbmm takes priority over ranked match making

had some voyagers in low lobbies with 298 gear score

[muted grail]

how long has cleanse not worked? tried taking it bossing and it did literally nothing

[jaunty topaz]

Cleanse only removes negative magic spell effects

Doesn't really work for any boss abilities

[muted grail]

im just curious in what way the boss debuffs arent magic spell effects? the description of the spell says “harmful magic effects” and considering lich’s curse of gathering and isolation, as well as the chilling stacks from the ghost king, same goes for the cage stacks on the warlord. it just doesnt make sense. i used to be able to cleanse my friends out of the ghost king’s soul feast, that has since either been patched or bugged. honestly just wondering if its a bug or a feature. i see you replying lots in general, i thank you for your time

[jaunty topaz]

As far as the game is concerned the cleanse spell is only coded to remove player debuffs

Idk why I didn't program this game lmao

[muted grail]

strange because if im not mistaken i dont believe it removes warlocks curse of pain either. nah i agree CuddlyCody for executive dev

[quiet dock]

So whats top 3s classes atm?

if i didnt wanna screw my team by being a rogue

[jaunty topaz]

Bard is #1, #2 is a tie between Barb and Fighter, Cleric is a must have for any trio but sucks in solos, Ranger is decent but fragile, Warlock is a god in solo but falls off a lil in trios

Wizard is also one of those "good in trio sucks in solo" classes

Well I mean Bonk Wizard is okay in Solo HR but only because Arcane Shield and Staff Mastery are op

Rogue is probably the worst class but he is viable too

All the classes are viable rn in some way or another which is good on the devs

Some kinks still need to be worked out tho ofc

[surreal rapids]

What's the current player count according to the in game lobby? Anyone able to check for me?

[tidal maple]

under 6k total

[surreal rapids]

As expected

[muted grail]

midnight monday tho

[surreal rapids]

A month ago it was at like 12k rn. Idk i quit around multiclassing. That was the main reason, but really just the icing on the cake. I'll try again next wipe for the final time probably

[jaunty topaz]

Multiclassing was fun for a little while but it got stale with everyone running slayer sprint robust hide ambush etc

As a whole, the iteration of Multiclassing that Ironmace gave us should be relegated to a limited time event or a different game mode, I don't believe that that specific system was good for the long-term health of the game

[outer ridge]

ice map only playable map , remove zones

[wanton finch]

MC was fun if your class paired well with other classes perks. otherwise youre just defaulting to 15% health, antimagic. not that exciting

[surreal rapids]

These type of games (extraction looter shooter fps) have a very high amount of solo players, yet dark and darker seems to balance for teams only. I understand the concept and their initial vision for it to be a team game; for whatever reason, most people I talk to play solo. I am one of them. They should put more effort into solo IMO. They'd gain back a lot of players.

The balancing just isnt there. It's not entirely their fault; it's almost impossible to balance for both teams and solo. They gotta change something

For the quests, they are basically telling solo players "sucks to be you". For a chunk of them. I'll admit this wipe was easier to solo most of them

[native nexus]

Does somebody know if named passive magical damage like fulgor scales with mag pow?

[humble badge]

It’s just chill map with less pvp man. Zone makes people fight

[outer ridge]

its a rng element and its dog water

[pearl mesa]

It's rng and it's why it's good to refresh each run

[naive oxide]

From what I understand it doesn’t, but I can’t for the life of me remember why I think that, so I could have just made it up

I think maybe I’ve asked a similar question on the discord and someone said no, but that’s just as inaccurate, so… go find out?

[native nexus]

thanks, I will go find out 👍

[weak carbon]

waht like a reasonable price for a viola

[tardy sandal]

No clue but it’s the most expensive unique so look up a unique and then increase the price by 50%

[silent mauve]

Can uniques be dropped from hell bosses in normals or is it high roller only?

[serene mesa]

they should remove zone but increase players per lobby then

[jaunty topaz]

HR bosses and Minibosses can all drop uniques, Uniques can also be found in HR marvelous chests and HR Inferno Gold Piles, in the HR Mystical Gem Room, and the HR Skull Key room

Uniques cannot be found in any normals

[vapid arch]

minibosses drop uniques?

[jaunty topaz]

yes

[vapid arch]

must be a low chance cuz i've never seen it, other than gold key on skelly champ

[jaunty topaz]

Before ruins was removed I got a unique Vig cloak from a cockatrice

I assume it's a very tiny chance

[sturdy dagger]

Did they increase the chance for golden keys? my buddies and I found two in the last couple of days

(we don't play a whole lot)

[jaunty topaz]

idk but golden keys are literally useless rn

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah, I've noticed

Sold it cuz i'm never gonna use it

[peak delta]

Out of curiosity, is there a bug with Gear MMing at the moment? Some guy with 2 grimsiles and a gold cloak along with purple and blue mix and his buddy with similar gear was in Low Gear mmking
I should say, in the lobby, he had all his stuff in his inventory and it showed his gear score as 299 but in raid, it was 600+

[wanton halo]

[cosmic saffron]

Based on population the gbmm gets turned on and off to ensure fuller lobbies

[peak delta]

Aaah. I'm on the Oceanic/SEA servers, so, that explains it. Does it revert back to Ranked based or just, everyone tossed into the same pot?

[zealous chasm]

The Rogue is so weak, just remove it from the game, it's a pointless class.

[brisk lava]

Troooo

[ebon palm]

nah remove fighter and buff rogue, fighter shouldn't of ever been added to the game. The "jack of all trades" class is for some reason also the "master of all trades" at the same time, when it shouldn't be.

but that'll never happen because the remaining populace are W keying unga-bunga players that can't main anything else

[zealous chasm]

Every class should have Biscuits to make it fair and balanced.

[sour fable]

I understand the removal of GBMM in regions with low player bases, but since the implementation, as an Oceania player, I’ve just been getting farmed by people wearing legendaries in GS well over 600, and it makes it impossible to do high roller at all because I can’t invest money into kits to make enough money to compete

[turbid shoal]

at that point it might be better to just rat it out and see if you can get enough loot to get to that point. or go to normals i guess

[sour fable]

all I've been playing is normals yeah

[chilly crag]

They gotta add a pve mode or sum shit

[noble stirrup]

Switch to a higher population server?

[sour fable]

literally cannot due to lag

[turbid shoal]

Something like a training mode would be nice but i dont think a full pve mode is catering to the majority of the playerbase tbh.

[chilly crag]

Most of the playerbase just gets wiped by better players