game-discussion

[vapid arch]

no, season ends in june

[digital magnet]

Without MC game is only Buff ball and that's that

Would rather see 5 different meta builds instead of one

Like how are we not acknowledging the staleness of the game here without some sort of pazazz???

[vapid arch]

i think you're confusing genuine barb buff ball last year with teams just using buffs
when cleric and bard are the most effective classes in 3s then yeah people will use buffs to their advantage

[vapid arch]

because the "pazazz" was unhealthy in its current iteration and would've been a far worse meta state than your supposed buffball, it needs to be revaluated and changed then brought back

[digital magnet]

You're so wrong it hurts my head. Have fun with your stale dying game. See you in another 6 months when druid is finally added and then taken out after a week

[hazy flower]

i think its stale because i know im gonna lose a fight before i even take it

and than i gotta watch myself die in slow motion

[digital magnet]

??? That was the game before MC added uncertainty to every fight

[hazy flower]

i just started playing big dog

[digital magnet]

Then you dying has nothing to do with MC LMAO

[hazy flower]

youre on one anime pfp

[vapid arch]

if the rolls were reversed you'd be saying buffball was the pazazz the game so desperately needed, your only point is your emotion based opinions of being exposed to something new for once that you can't recognise is unhealthy

[digital magnet]

Wrong. The games meta has been the same since drop. MC was new which means it's no longer stale. I've been playing since the free release on steam before it was taken down. It's always been Barb with Cleric and either wiz or bard. That's the meta. That's boring every game running through the same dungeon (because they took out the dungeon variety for some fucking reason) fighting the exact same builds and team comp. There isn't a character PROGRESSION system. Which makes the game feel bad and boring. Doing the same things fighting the same people using the comps. The game has been unhealthy almost every patch and the constant complaints about every patch makes it worse. I just want CONTENT. SOMETHING NEW. THE GAME MEEDS SOMETHING ANYTHING. it's not opinion it's fact that they are going backwards or staying in place in terms of content available to players

[winter grove]

I agree, it could do with more spells and classes and some kind of proper character progression, maybe a skill tree

[ocean hazel]

True they should add guns

[blissful elk]

Pirate class

[vapid arch]

meta has changed considerably with buffs and nerfs to the likes of bard, wizard, rogue, and others that i can't think of off the top of my head. the top level players also dont always use the team comp you say and still remain on top. apollo's team never uses barb. repoze uses rogue in 3s and his team never uses barb. idk what you mean about dungeon variety because there's many different crypts maps and no one likes GC or ice caves for 3s. character progression is what's going to replace MC, which was the preferred route to go in my eyes anyway. the game needs a subclass system that fleshes out and expands on more than just perks and abilities. something new isn't always something good, fair enough to complain about the lack of content but i'd rather it come later than it come early and unfinished and not what was intended to begin with.

[digital magnet]

The game is boring and has been the same since launch just because the very best players with over 4k hours don't need to use meta. Doesn't mean there isn't a meta for the average players. Repoze has been playing rogue every patch because that what he likes. He even acknowledged on many patches that it isn't the best or the most rewarding or the easiest. He just played it because it was fun to him. But the META can still be Barb buff ball just because top players aren't always spamming meta doesn't mean that it isn't meta..... This is true for every game top players don't necessarily spam meta. They're the top because of their skill and time commitment.

[stark flint]

@vapid arch @digital magnet you both are correct. Solo players meta is not the same as duos and not the same as trios. Cal spoke about trios and that is really stagnant. Solo is shifting like hell. Duo is I guess somewhere inbetween, leaning towards solo meta.

[digital magnet]

I just want something that'll make the game fresh and not like it was every patch before It....

[vapid arch]

unfortunately a small dev team in EA can't pump out massive new content every 3 months like triple A live service games

[maiden bough]

are we really going to pretend that MC wasnt just the same perks an builds ? 85% of the playerbase just used the same perks and abilities. Sprint, savage roar, smite, shadow touch, weapon mastery, robust, iron will, perserverence and anti magic. Sorry there was absolutely nothing fun about getting run down by overly tanky fighters and super speed barbarians every match lol.

[digital magnet]

I played about 100 hours of MC and I can tell you you're putting it way out of proportion. I saw a huuuge variety of builds. At most 45% not 85 you're delusional and finding ways to blame your deaths and losses on a game mechanic as per usual with DaD players

[maiden bough]

it was the same build over and over. just sometimes dressed up like a fighter, or a barb, or a warlock lol

[digital magnet]

You're literally pulling statistics out of your ass stating them as fact. I can't wait till they release the MC data and you look like a complete imbecile

[maiden bough]

it may have been 45% at the start but it definitely swung to literally everyone slotting stuff like robust, sprint, smite and etc lol

i cant wait until you stop crying about MC being removed in your one man echo chamber lol

[digital magnet]

You listed more than one build btw. The game before MC was only one build checkmate

It's not about MC it's about having CHRACTER PROGRESSION OF ANY KIND

[maiden bough]

not really the check mate you think it is. when theres like what 90ish perks in the game and the same 4-6 are being chosen by even 45% of the population like the number you gave. thats not true diversity lol

[digital magnet]

You're the only one making up statistics Mr echo chamber

[visual sleet]

Factually incorrect

[maiden bough]

i literally used the 45% number you gave lol. i used your stat lol

[radiant fog]

Finally, the game is good again (not responding to haters, I love my fans)

[jaunty holly]

Will the cleric nerfs be reverted now that MC is gone? iirc smite was nerfed due to the slayer abuse and the PDR perk was rogue

100% this

[tall herald]

Games dead

[digital magnet]

You blurted out 85 and I said at most 45 but you're the one who started with fake made up stats. Where as I said MORE LIKE Wich implies annecdote from my 100 hours of this patch

[umbral condor]

when does multiclassing get removed?

[digital magnet]

BASED AND REAL

But ah yes I'm in an echo chamber 3 other people in under and hour have come in here with the same sentiment

[maiden bough]

even if it was only 45% like you said, 45% of the player base abusing the same 5 perks is not really multi class lol. its the same build dressed up as different characters lol

oh no 3 people...you guys are definitely the majority now lol

[digital magnet]

3>1. Talking to u is like talking to a rock LOL

[maiden bough]

so youre gonna pretend im the only person who wasnt a fan of MC? talk about cherry picking lol.

im sure it will flip now. the people that complained about MC will play more type less and the people who preferred MC will play less and complain more

im not saying MC was bad but the way it was implemented was bad. i would rather it be similar to GW1 multi class. where only certain abilities from each class could be used by other classes. not the entire catalog.

they have already mentioned MC will return in a future patch but in a more limited format if i recall correctly

i would have been fine with it staying if it adjusted/limited the problematic abilities/perks. but i imagine it wont be gone for long.

the game is also substantially harder to balance with MC in play

[formal moon]

They couldnt balance three different lobbies. They'll never balance MC

[maiden bough]

true. idk the answer for the different lobbies. i do not envy the work they have ahead of them lol.

[elfin fern]

@flint forge are you HoopsMcCann? these happy flute noises are for you

[formal moon]

They did it to themselves because they were greedy. Zero sympathy

[fickle orchid]

I said I was gone until, and haven't played since, multiclassing was removed. Now that it is being, seems I'll need to wait a bit longer for them to clean up the mess it left.

[maiden bough]

@fickle orchid what mess are you referring to?

[dry plank]

does this mean that our progression is wiped

[fickle orchid]

@maiden bough nerfing and buffing perks around MC concept, especially cleric main.

[formal moon]

In terms of tokens. Yes

[maiden bough]

yeah i was dissappointed to see the smite nerf not be reverted in particular. but hopefully its adjusted in the small class balance they mentioned that was coming soon. maybe it will be in the next few days

[limber verge]

how was IM greedy?

[formal moon]

Changing the scope of the game for an audience that didn't like what they originally created (GC)

[jade nexus]

"Now, if you acquire an item from an enemy player in a dungeon, even a Handled item will be changed to Looted and you can gain AP." Thank you

[earnest current]

hacker all over the game , 1 tap hacker dont need BoC anymore

[formal moon]

Cool, an update that makes it even easier to rank up and make rank mean even less

[jade nexus]

Oh stop, it never made sense to beat someone in pvp with insane gear and lose score for taking it out

[formal moon]

It does, forces ppl to learn bosses and interact with the dungeon.

[earnest current]

have you guy see a basic gear player use staff mastery 1 tap full blue gear player , so stress with those China player

[twilit sail]

Can someone explain Gear Based Matchmaking, was everyone asking for it? I thought the whole community was against it.

[formal moon]

They were, IM is illiterate and have laughably stupid leadership

[subtle folio]

lmao

open chests, farm mobs, avoid pvp

[formal moon]

Try to avoid pvp when you boss tell me how it goes

[subtle folio]

I'd actually like to be able to actually loot the people I kill, who cares if some losers boost eachother?

[maiden bough]

the game does need to encourage pvp to a certain degree. if people can easily rank up by avoiding conflict with other players then thats a problem

[formal moon]

You can't

[subtle folio]

how is it any different from people queueing empty lobbies on dead servers?

[maiden bough]

im not sure if the rank stuff is even needed. it feels terribly complicated in a game such as this. i wonder how something like this would have been implemented in tarkov haha

[formal moon]

Because it makes it even easier and Literally just a time sink. Rank generally is a repsentation of skill. This isn't and is only becoming more of insert hour machine

[subtle folio]

rank in this game was never a representation of skill lol

[fervent cloak]

What's a beginner-friendly class and build I can try to escape for the first time? I'm about 20 runs in with a fighter and not really getting close 🫤

[oak summit]

Rogue

[quick fern]

are you struggling against players or monsters ?

[proper prawn]

lolol ok. pick the glassest cannon class in a game with tough to dodge animations (two regular mob hits kill a rogue) with no trade ability no heal and no shield...and no range. Yeah rogues are reeeaal ez

[fervent cloak]

players. mobs aren't really an issue unless i'm playing dumb, but if I even see another player I know my run is over 😆

[mellow jasper]

Fighter is probably the most beginner friendly, or barb and maybe ranger

[devout loom]

and warlock or bard or wizard

[mellow jasper]

lol no. I would not recommend a new player mess too much with casters. Trying to explain casting times and kiting in pvp to someone whithout a firm understanding of basics is rough

[formal moon]

Lol welcome to the conversation. About 15 mins late

[proper prawn]

bard is tough solo, wizard ok, just run and shoot and lock is just still op (although gotta learn how first)

[quick fern]

try ranger if you like range or barbarian if you like meele or cleric if you like to support friends

[formal moon]

Solo bard is top 3 class

[proper prawn]

he asked for new players, that aint bard no matter how good they get once you get good

[formal moon]

Bard is pretty easy to play and has lots of quality of life and is the cheapest class to gear up. So... take your L mate

[fervent cloak]

for fighter base gear, do you recommend the heavier armor or just clothes? I've seen players running around with pretty much nothing

[proper prawn]

i aint your mate kiddo and no bard isn't "pretty easy to play" compared to other classes

[quick fern]

if you played guitar hero before bard is simple ngl

[oak summit]

Ignore what this guy says and play rogue

[proper prawn]

hah that prob does help

[native verge]

And we're helping someone who hasn't extracted. It doesn't matter how cheap it is to gear up...

[formal moon]

Sure, can't really get easy than pressing W. But it's about as close as it can be

[proper prawn]

little troll boy 🧌

[gray rampart]

i started doing a lot better with fighter solo in pvp when i got ok with the longsword. its fun too.

[fervent cloak]

i might try ranger just for something different, heeeere i go

[mellow jasper]

Honestly, the base armor is kinda crappy anyway. Most people run around half naked until they at least unlock "poor" or "common" quality gear. The move speed tends to be better than straight up damage mitigation

[oak summit]

[proper prawn]

i honestly though you were jokin about rogue being easy for new players

[formal moon]

It actually does, you gonna recommend he never try HR?

[fervent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-drew-mcintyre-sword-point-sword-wrestling-gif-25367942

[fervent cloak]

okay cool, that was the sense I was getting as well

[royal fulcrum]

another day of waiting for ruins to come back

[mellow jasper]

Ruins has always been here. It lives in all our hearts

[jolly halo]

Will there be 15k pop again at least now that MC is gone?

[solar sage]

MULTICLASS IS GONE,YIPPEEEEE

[native verge]

Does he even have a level 20 class if he hasn't extracted? You're thinking of next month already. Try helping him now and not later.

[solar sage]

Lets be honnest homie the game kinda dead,the only hope we have atm is steam release

[brittle vault]

the looted item change is so bad time to load up on gold coin purses kill my teamate and res him and leave with 4000 AP

[balmy minnow]

not halfway through a wipe. gotta be realistic brother.

[jolly halo]

Why did we remove MC then if none of those people are gonna return lmfao

[brittle vault]

2 hour extension boys

[native verge]

Look up what the word "enemy" means

[brittle vault]

you really think they coded a difference between dying to pve or teamates and dying to an enemy to change the items state to looted come on now this is ironmace

[sinful gull]

Ironmaces special move

[formal moon]

Mate, preping for HR and seeing what is possible is the best thing a new player can do

[mellow jasper]

Only works on enemies. No sense of reading comprehension. Also, gold coins dont count toward AP

[native verge]

I'm assuming it will change the item state to looted when you loot the items from the body

[granite parrot]

Say with me "srpwbeifang" is a hacker dog.

[solar sage]

Cuz their oh so divine "content creators" where also starting to leave

its crazy that IM only caters to content creators like we normal players legit cannot and do not exist

the only people that matter are those people who get free BIS kits (kof kof Katie) and then complain that the game is too easy

"Yeah I skipped half of the progression,the game is too easy,devs,another an*l probe please!"

[sharp laurel]

What do you think of the collaboration with fear and hunger

[vital scaffold]

solo cleric community on suicide alert

[vagrant furnace]

Guys what are test servers for? I'd assume to test out the patch they are about to roll out? Can anyone in IT comment? I'd also assume the test server has the current patch updated...right....RIGHT??!!11

[sudden aspen]

That is a crazy exploit that I didn’t think of but will be abusing LMAO

[vapid arch]

why would a korean hack and slash looter extraction game in EA do a collab with a hard gritty horror RPG

[sharp laurel]

it would be fun to fight in these dungeons and battle the remnants of the gods

misana would be an artifact

[vapid arch]

i think dark and darker is more in line with a generic DND campaign

[steel fulcrum]

@fervent cloakif u've got some good general game experience i would honesly recommend warlock, allows u to bypass losing hp from mobs and its not terrible hard to kite

[solar sage]

Not at all.
Ive been a dnd DM for 5 years,most DND campaign dont include dungeons or dragons ironically

Most DND campaigns ive run and played in are in those big grassy lushlands and giant worlds to explore

not a 10ft square dungeon

[mellow jasper]

are you talking about miasma? the sword from fear and hunger? I dont remember a misana...

[jaunty holly]

:(

[azure socket]

Now, if you acquire an item from an enemy player in a dungeon, even a Handled item will be changed to Looted and you can gain AP.

Bro... this was one of my requests since last year! they should have implemented this MONTHS AGO!!!

Now that multiclass is not there anymore , lets play again 🙂

[mellow jasper]

Tomb of Annihilation would like to know your location.

[sharp laurel]

my autocorrect thought the sword was called misana

[vapid arch]

i dont think someone who's DMing for 5 years is doing a generic setting or characters
when i say a generic campaign i just mean the standard fantasy stuff, not someone doing a Aarakocra gunslinger on a quest to one shot god

[sharp laurel]

it's probably because of the language addon i downloaded

[solar sage]

Most of the campaigns I dm are quite "traditional",but I mean most free roam campaigns are way more open ended than dark and darker,at least theyd look more like ruins than crypts for exemple

Thought I must admit I did use the "goblins in da mines" trope more than once

[solar sage]

Pre-made modules are yucky and you cannot change my mind

[vital scaffold]

my imagination is yucky too, better to use something actually servicable for a campaign than whatever garbage my brain cooks up

[formal moon]

None of this is true. IM does what the players have wanted instead of need and the game has been down hill ever since

[solar sage]

Bro,you could be hight on acid,with an IQ of 5,and still do a campaign 10X better than lost mines of phandelver

[vital scaffold]

then dont use that one

[solar sage]

My players said that the best one shot ive ever run for them was when I was hight during a mini-game festival.
Never underestimate the fun potential

[solar sage]

All official dnd modules are writtent like garbage,dw,no matter how stupid you are,youll do better

[gritty vale]

"Sometimes our level designer does cryptic things especially when it results in the death of sdf during a play session. He does not always reveal everything to us." Lmao

[solar sage]

Players:"IM,we dont want multiclassing!"
IM:"Yeah fine"
Streamers:"IM,we want multiclassing!We want the easy content!"
IM:"SAY NO MORE"

[vital scaffold]

im confused by what point you are trying to make here

it would make sense if you said this at the release of multiclassing but with them just having gotten rid of it, it just seems confusing to me

[solar sage]

@formal moon keeps saying that IM listen to the players not the streamers

[formal moon]

They said multi was going to come out a long time ago. Streams literally had nothing to do with it

[solar sage]

Oh yeah im talking to when they released it,rn they're finally doing damage controll

[solar sage]

The entire player base said the system was trash,the only people supporting it where the streamers

[zenith valley]

push magic missle was the stupidest content and MC shoulda stayed to test branch.

[vital scaffold]

that last bit i actually agree with

[solar sage]

But the thing is,people dont get that streamers,at least the vast majority of them,don't want your game to be "better",they want easier content,they want it to be entertaining.
Multiclassing is sure entertaining,but its unplayable

[vital scaffold]

why even have test servers if you arent gonna use them for this type of thing?

[formal moon]

Yep, just like Gbmm and several other systems IM put in. The leadership at IM is bad. This has nothing to do with streamers at all, you're just conflating things that having nothing to do with each other

[zenith valley]

literally

[ashen glacier]

Monk class when

[solar sage]

Sdf is bad?Damn,learning something you every day XD

[vital scaffold]

i mean...

[solar sage]

Bro they had to dev druid for 6 months,the next one is sorcerer,you have at least 4 years before getting the next class

[formal moon]

So then you don't know how to read announcements, is what you're really saying

[mellow jasper]

I think the community was 50/50 on multiclassing. When it dropped, i think it was more like 80 in favor. I had a great time and thought it was a great time, I think this was a perfect dose to act as like an event. I'm glad it's gone now though, it was getting annoying running into sprint, savage roar, iron will barbs and fighters

[vital scaffold]

we can like the devs all we want but if the results they put out are bad its hard to defend it after awhile

[solar sage]

I still dont know how they can be this slow with new content,like,even a singular guy,with no experience whatsoever could dev a class faster :/

[formal moon]

Because IM has terrible leadership

[vital scaffold]

its because they are in balance hell

[ashen glacier]

I'll wait

[vital scaffold]

all their effort is being spent on fixing all the holes they keep making

[warm rune]

I've been saying it for 6 months just dump content and worry about balance later

[vital scaffold]

same lol

[solar sage]

Yes because even thought theirs 10 of them,and all probably multi millionaires atp,none of them has any idea how to actually RUN a game.
You could put an average human with no gaming experience,and the balance would do so much better

I think that tbh its probably an ego thing,devs are refusing to lend controll to eachother out of fear of being wrong

[vital scaffold]

i mean, its possible but thats all just a guess

[brisk mason]

this is the exact, exact, exact, opposite of what they need rn

[vital scaffold]

lets not build a narrative based on emotions and guesswork, theres enough to be mad about as is without that

[warm rune]

Why?

[solar sage]

No,hes kinda right.

Yes balance is important,but if no content is done,no new players are attracted.

We NEED new stuff,the player base is dropping by the hour

[vital scaffold]

what they really need is someone with experience to pull their collective heads out of their ass

[brisk mason]

The game already can't handle new content and every time in breaks the game in some way.

The core gameplay loop and balance of the game is currently extremely messed up and the main focus needs to be on fixing that.

The num 1 thing this game is lacking rn is balance and polish.

For example focusing on new player experience after that to get player numbers back up

[mellow jasper]

Honestly. I think that Warlock has been getting a lot of love on the balance, and I don't think they're overpowered. I think a lot of other classes have useless perks and abilities. Almost everything in the Warlock kit is viable.

[zenith valley]

yeah loading into a solo and getting a lobby by myself is crazy

its happened more then once the past couple days

[warm rune]

The issue is even if they focus on balance right now the game is so barebones the moment they start adding stuff that balance they worked so hard for goes to shit

[brisk mason]

it won't keep players. yes random content patches will give us more players, but it is highly unlikely to keep players with the unbalanced game and game loop.

I wouldn't want to learn to play this game again with its current state, and there needs to be more balanced, polish, and stuff for new players done. This is how you get more players

[solar sage]

Im a warlock main,both warlock and fighter have been GENEROUSLY in balance since game launch.
Even a little too strong imo

[formal moon]

They cannot ever work on balance because you have to restrict class abilities based on lobbies. Balance is never going to happen

[solar sage]

Well currently,IM is doing neither,so might as well yell at em instead of yelling at eachother eh?

[brisk mason]

thats not really true. game has a lot of stuff rn, and there isn't much they are planning on adding that hugely affects balance. for example druid affects balance, but its only 1 class that needs to be balanced, it doesn't effect all of the games balance.

and no map addition or anything like that completely switches up balance making it a whole thing to balance again.

[solar sage]

What are you even yapping about?

[formal moon]

If you knew how to read you wouldn't have to ask

[zenith valley]

well i mean the game isnt released yet and its also why i think things need to stay to the test branch. because if they kept it where we had a stagnant game that had minor improvements due to things in the test branch getting passed.

[solar sage]

No,you're being nonsensical

[quick fern]

rangers also kinda get everything compared to every other class

[mellow jasper]

I forgot to mention bard and how ridiculously good their buffs/debuffs are compared to almost anything else in the game;

[vital scaffold]

i think they need to give up on retaining players until theyve released all the major content they want in the game, its like trying to hold sand in your hands right now

[solar sage]

Dont summon the rangers again

[formal moon]

Projecting now, just gotta learn to read

[brisk mason]

they can still improve the game while developing new content and testing it on there test server and other things.

[solar sage]

Havent been in meta,at least in solos.
Currently,the meta was 1 shot kills and speed,now without multiclassing,we're going back to fighter/ranger metas

[brisk mason]

?? ranger has nothing rn. that class has been completely forgot about for ages and been over shadowed

[vital scaffold]

other devs could, but nothing ive seen so far tells me these devs can

[formal moon]

Should have done that before adding GC. IM simply took too many bites and will never finish the meal

[zenith valley]

but it would take away from the leaving playerbase a keep a game thats steady and able to play.

[brisk mason]

I mean they have a few devs working on content and other working on balance.

Even thought it 100 perecent doesn't show rn. But say last wipe during there many balance changes they had devs working on druid and ice map the entire time.

[mellow jasper]

Honestly, I think rangers are not in a great spot either. half their perks are useless. The traps are an almost guaranteed win condition though..

[vital scaffold]

what i mean is, im not confident they can bring the level of quality up in the short term enough on either side to keep the playerbase happy

[solar sage]

No,ranged weapons are a guaranteed win condition.
Ranger isnt OP,ranger HAS OP weapons (aka ranged)

Same problem applies to every class with ranged stuff

[quick fern]

ranger perks are so good you could only maybe multiclass 1 perk slot

[solar sage]

Barb sucks,barb gets ranged?Barb OP

Fighter sucks,fighter gets ranged?Fighter OP,etc etc

[torpid thunder]

Fighter bow

[zenith valley]

ranged is needed when u get to high roller and it is very true if u dont have even a hand cross bow ur not gunna be able to take a fight unless ur inv and or catch somone off gaurd in the dark

[brisk mason]

Im saying they have been doing it and done it in the past? all last wipe a majority of the playerbase was pretty happy, the entire time they were both working on balance and the new map and class and keeping it up to standard.

The thing is not all there devs are able to work on content. For example they have 1 guy who is working on druid, and 2 people who can do all of the mobs and stuff for the new map.

There isn't rlly anyone else that can help then much with that, so they work on other stuff like balance.

[mellow jasper]

I think there's like 5 perks that are a requirement and the others are just weird rollplay bs. Especially if you run crossbow, its hard to really filll your perk slots

[vital scaffold]

this is the main reason why cleric is in such a terrible spot right now

[solar sage]

Ranged combat needs a BIG nerf,and melee needs more depths

[zenith valley]

^

[serene mesa]

holy crap is this true? How many devs do they hire? There's really only 3 working on new content?

[torpid thunder]

I mean thats true but out a development perspective you have to understand that they have to focus their eforts on more important stuff

[zenith valley]

theres so many magic resit perks but they should also be magic/projectile

[vital scaffold]

im sure there are plenty of good reasons why things are the way they are, but in a live service game all that matters is the results when all is said and done, and the results arent resulting

[brisk mason]

no lol. most rangers didnt multiclass much since other perks just werent good for ranger. No other class has ranged based perks.

and honestly only 1-2 of the perks are auto inlcude. Also that has nothing to do with how good a class is.

A class may have 4 auto include perks, doesnt mean the class is broken lol

[quick fern]

most of wizards spells are projectile and affected by that stuff

[dry marten]

for the escape without taking damage, is that only via portal or can statics be used? I escaped atleast 6-7 times without taking damage exiting both different ways and didn't get credited for it those 6-7 times

[brisk mason]

from what they have said in qnas they had 1 guy working on druid, 2 people now(beore was 1) working on mobs, pve, ai etc. And then a map designer or two I believe.

They might have given us a bit more information but out of there 30-40 employees nobody knows really what the rest are doing and its been a reoccuring question

[solar sage]

Theres some,but we dont NEED projectile resistance,we need to stop people from just pressing S and running away so easily.

[cunning flower]

robust on? It was bugged for any modified HP perks.

[zenith valley]

i mean for 5 devs the games pretty good

[solar sage]

Hold on theirs a quest where you have to escape without getting hit?What do I do if im a warlock?T-T

[dry marten]

I don't recall a time where I removed the perk, and I have 2/5 escapes

[quick fern]

high hp , high dmg , high movespeed , best ranged wep , best meele wep , self healing , utility , traps what is ranger missing again ?

[brisk mason]

not really lol. and nobody can just press s and run away easily. The only classes that really realisticall kite you are ranger.(oh boo hoo a ranged character is killing me at range) and sometimes rogue.

[solar sage]

The thing is,a singular guy wouldve made more progress than all of em combined.
They all have giant egos that stops em from actually moving forward

[torpid thunder]

I mean if you add to many projectile reduction perks you will have an absoulute W key meta

[cunning flower]

camp a static like the rest of us, sadly

[zenith valley]

u pray they set up a system where ur own damage dosnt result in "getting hit"

[solar sage]

Do you actually play the game?
Literally every class is running a movement speed run away build atm

[cunning flower]

not as long as true dmg is a thing

[torpid thunder]

My boy have you seen the fighter build in this week it didnt matter if you had +11 true

[zenith valley]

yeah move speed and regularinteraction are broken

[mellow jasper]

No one is running away with sprint. They're using it to close the gap and bop you with their super cool slayer, axe mastery, sword mastery build

[brisk mason]

low hp, 90 base hp. thats bad. The damage is pretty bad now too, espescially when you get almost instant dmg fall off of around 20 percent less dmg. I mean he can use all the ranged weapons so ofc he can use the best one.

Spear(if thats what your talking about) is not the best melee weapon at all, otherwise why wouldnt fighters use it. He has a single self healing skill thats pretty bad and pretty useless. Ranger has NO utility for his team or anything other than traps.

Half the points you just made were wrong and the rest exaggerated

[solar sage]

Not sprint,but literally every class is a ranged class now if you look at it

[mellow jasper]

I think that's cope. Ranged is much less of an issue than you're making it\

[brisk mason]

i mean ppl may build ms but personally i haven't ran into any fighters kiting me with a bow or any classes kiting me with ranged other than ranger and rogue.

[quick fern]

i respect the troll

[cunning flower]

11 true on a surv bow goes crazy. You got a link to a vid? I have never seen a dedicated proj resistance build. sounds interesting.

[dry marten]

What lol? So everyone chose sprint to fight and not run? Fake news, I will run from anyone that's using some broken build like survival bow + poison weapon + other shit

[brisk mason]

what troll lol? you just have no clue what your talking about. Mans thinks 90 base hp is high hp. bro thins a 25 hp heal 3 times a game every 30 seconds has any value

[zenith valley]

how so when if ur not using range and get out ranged its over? unless ur running a speed build and out evade??

[torpid thunder]

I have a few i might be able to show you but its now only about the proj resistance but about resistance in general they have to find a way around that

[quick fern]

they should make it 70 like rogue imo cut their str in half to match rogue too cut their agi in half to match wizard too

[serene mesa]

so we have 5 devs and then just SDF and graysun banging 23 prostitutes in the back room, nice

[mellow jasper]

English?

[brisk mason]

for what reason lol. You say this like the class is good in any way rn and needs nerfed. except I just dismantled almost every single point of how the class is good now.

[zenith valley]

how so, when you lack range and get out ranged, its over... unless you out evade.

[quick fern]

so you wouldnt rather have rogue stats and perks? you like your ranger stuff huh

[zenith valley]

get caught in a big room with no range

[solar sage]

When melee classes are starting to be forced to go range,you KNOW something is aloof

[brisk mason]

potentially lol.

[mellow jasper]

Then learn to evade and not engage in an open space? don't just fight and run at them in a straight line across an open room. use doors, corners and obstruction to your advantage...

[dry marten]

It's alot easier to avoid range in a big room with open space lol

[outer ridge]

Remove ranged from the game

[solar sage]

The only time barb ever got success was with...Ranged weapons.Thats kinda silly isnt it?

[mellow jasper]

easier than a long hallway, but otherwise that's cap

[solar sage]

Ah yes,lemme just open the door and reposition when a singular hit from a survival bow snaps me like a twig

[zenith valley]

its just a huge advantage when and i dont feel like filling my inv with francisca axes and throwing knives...

[brisk mason]

they aren't though. People are overexaggerating the current range. Yes most melee classes bring a crossbow or bow if they can, and use it to start fights and poke. but almost every primary melee class still ends a fight in melee. I barely see a fighter only use a bow or crossbow the entire fight(unless fighting a ranger) and other stuff like that.

Almost every single one of my fights ends in melee when i play a melee class.

[mellow jasper]

not true at all. Barbs constantly stomp in solos without even touching their franny axes.

[mellow jasper]

Survival bow does like 35 damage on a headshot lmao.

[zenith valley]

if they catch u in a door way sure

[solar sage]

Not anymore,they did during a couple of weeks last season yes

[brisk mason]

barb has had a lot of success with no ranged weapons. frannys are stupid good on barb, always have been and still are, but a barb can still stomp without them

[dry marten]

you can easily kite a barb that isnt using franny axe

[zenith valley]

tripple shot and thats game over??

[solar sage]

Im playing HR,damage scaling is crazy,a singular survival bow hit from a ranger over there is 45 damage on average

[brisk mason]

they still do just fine lol.

[solar sage]

When multiclassing dropped yeah barb fighter where just silly strong because of good base stats

[zenith valley]

A high damage windless can legit hit for 80 damage?????

[brisk mason]

im saying outside of multiclassing my man

[mellow jasper]

This absolutlely. Barbs have been insane since PT2 and still are. They dont need the axes. Now that Achilles is melee only too, it definitely nerfed them with the torch throws too.

[solar sage]

A hight damage windlass is a one shot XD

[brisk mason]

achilles isnt melee only lol

[solar sage]

Outside of multiclassing,ranged class still dominate in hight level.

[mellow jasper]

I thought they changed that last week along with ambush

[zenith valley]

i mean last wipe season 1 a bard could one shot so idek

[mellow jasper]

Oh, they just made it only bladed thrown items. Got rid of the torch meta.

[brisk mason]

where? there are no rangers, which is the main ranged class at high level.

The class is played almost none at a high level in trios, and barely played at a high level in solos.

if ranged is dominating so much, where are the ranges, the epitemy of ranged.

also why would the meta be buff ball having a melee class get buffed up and go in, that isnt playing ranged sim.

If actual ranged weapons like bows and crossbows are op, then why are some of the best classes casters rn.

I get a ranged meta exists to some extent. But honestly I barely see it. Yes classes use ranged if they can, especially to start a fight and get a poke advantage, that is how you play the game. You dont just mindlessly run into fights with no advantage

[mellow jasper]

I think he plays solos and gets bodied because he has 0 movement tech

[solar sage]

I play mostly solos and I cant say about trios.

Also,if you think ranger is the best ranged class you're silly.

Unironically,in solos,ranger is the WORST class to play ranged on,and its not even a joke

[mellow jasper]

Gottem

[solar sage]

The best class to play ranged at hight level in solos is bard

[zenith valley]

^

[quick fern]

isnt a ranger #1 or #2 in solos rn

[flat marten]

caster wizard is ranged class and needed on every team at a high level.

[brisk mason]

tf you saying.

The class that has all of his perks revolve around ranged. isn't the best "ranged class". so who is lol. who beats a ranger when fighting across a room or at high range.

[solar sage]

Idk im a hight level warlock,so I play move speed a lot,since im forced to or else its insta death.

[torpid thunder]

I mean youre totally correct with that another point why rangers are not used that much is just becouse of the server problems and massive skill gab that some people cant get over

[solar sage]

PDR fighters,barb throwing axes,bards full buffed

[brisk mason]

yeah I mentioned that. but thats not a true ranged class imo and its not taking for its ice bolt range. its taking for its absurd dmg at mid to close range.

[solar sage]

Slayer fighters also beat him no diff at ranged

[brisk mason]

thats true, ranger feels rough with server lag and other stuff. especially when your arrows hit off of random invis stuff mid air

[woeful holly]

Take crossbow off fighter and bard

[zenith valley]

not in the most part because u are lacking to see what the good thing about ranged is. its not thats theres specs that go into it its thats theres great strong build + a range that can legit almost one shot.

[solar sage]

Bard would still get survival bow

[torpid thunder]

And just make them quite less viabile in solos and trios fights or what?

[brisk mason]

in what way. a ranger has more dmg, action speed, headshot dmg with a bow ad reload speed.

also how is a barb throwing franny axes across a room to kill a ranger. Pdr fighters have a chance, that is true. but thats not because they are "better" at range and with a bow, its cause they are tanky

[zenith valley]

crossbow off bard and fighter would be nice

i mean or make aiming with heaviver bows harder

[brisk mason]

what are you saying lol. What "great strong builds" + a range that can legit almost one shot exist. Crossbow doesn't close to oneshot. if your talking a fighter weapon masterying windlass thats troll and still prolly wont oneshot

[mellow jasper]

weapon mastery will just let them run it anyway

[flat marten]

mid range/long range still range and super strong + haste invis giving a lot of option for counter play and outplay potential. fireball also really well at long ranged if used correctly not just ice bolt. range classes are very good but i think melee are also good but a really good wizard will beat a really good melee class 7/10 times

[torpid thunder]

Are you like actually stupid you would force fighter to use weapon mastery on a higher skill level and force bard into a way more buffing playstile instead of the second front line it is rn

[brisk mason]

why lol. bows are already barely used and are very hard to aim and consistently hit shots with peoples strafing

[solar sage]

PDR fighters with a crossy are more versatile,have a way bigger margin of error than rangers.Making them effectively better at ranged combat.
I havent seen a singular ranger actually run ranged builds in GC (the only rangers I saw ran weird spear builds)

While I see fighters playing like rangers lmao

[woeful holly]

thats fine with me

[solar sage]

Ok now I know you're trolling,"bows are hardly used" is copium

[brisk mason]

im not talking about any of that. I was just asking how he though ranger was not thebest ranged class

[flat marten]

bc wizard is

[torpid thunder]

Rangers make up for it with their insane burst potential

[solar sage]

Its crazy that bows have more pinpoint accuracy and damage than crossbows

[woeful holly]

Ranger is the class people think is goated on the sticks until you fight a full pdr fighter with a crossbow who hits you for 60% dmg then sprints at you to finish

[brisk mason]

Bows are only used at high level by ranger? or like surv bow bard but ppl typically prefer crossbow over it.

the only other class that can use it is weapon mastery fighter but almost nobody does that and its not meta by any means.

In what way are bows used a lot. especially compared to a cross bow

[solar sage]

Time to kill is so low atm that every class in HR can kill you in 1 to 3 seconds

[torpid thunder]

???

[brisk mason]

not really. there only burst potential is off a single skill, and there dmg has taken so many hits

[quick fern]

when you put ur bow away youre still faster than him when he sprints lol

[torpid thunder]

I meant that for the guy that was talking about solos and in there it has a preaty good burst potential

[solar sage]

Bard uses bows a lot,weapon mastery fighter slayer can be used sometimes.
Plus my complaint isnt just about bows,but about ranged.
The meta is currently revolving about kitting and ranged,which is a bit silly

[brisk mason]

depends. a pdr fighter can easily hit 330(ms cap) with sprint and a ton of pdr.

[mellow jasper]

Full str and damage windlass can hit for like 120 before pdr. These people invent fake scenarios in their head for why they died. Most of the time they have half HP and forgot to heal and get punished. Same kinda people that say they get constantly one-shot by a stealthed rogue with a kris dagger. No way that goofy guy with the 25 damage crooked dagger did 130 damage through your armor.

[zenith valley]

i mean that would kinda mean they have to do what their class is supposed to do that makes logical sense. i would say force every class to be that specific just it makes the loot pools rally waeaird and would make everything alot harder to distribute but if things were more class specific i dont see a issue

[brisk mason]

the burst potential doesn't change depending on the mode. his burst is still only a single skill, quick shot.

[torpid thunder]

110% move speed with sprint on 100% of high level fighters

[quick fern]

330 with wep and shield out no maybe fist or torch only

[zenith valley]

my typing is shit

[solar sage]

Isnt the movement cap lowered now?

[torpid thunder]

Ah thats what you were going for sorry thought you meant something else but youre correct on that

[chrome light]

anyone knows how long will the maintenance be?

[sick depot]

24 hours

[chrome light]

really O.O wow. ty

[quick fern]

yeah and gear has more ms penalty you also get punished more for not wearing gear

[torpid thunder]

1 hour

[brisk mason]

Ik your complaining about ranged.

But you just disputed my point that bows are used a lot. and now are deflecting back to oh range is so broken.

If the meta is currently revolving around kiting, why are ranger and rogue(the 2 main kiting classes) some of the least used(rogue is used but not really for its insane pvp prowess). Those are the only 2 classes that really kite, you don't see fighters rlly play full run away kite sim, especially because they typically can't.

Again if the meta is revolved around range and kiting. why is the trios meta buff ball, revolved around almost the opposite. And why is there barely any rangers or kiting classes having tons of successs in solos.

[chrome light]

ohh well damn u @sick depot

[mellow jasper]

allegedly 1 hr left. Should be done by 3 EST unless something changes. Look in #📢announcements

[brisk mason]

all good

[chrome light]

ty so much guys

[chrome light]

oh nice ty im new here

[torpid thunder]

I mean bows are quite good just from a stat point of view but on an actual performence test they fall behind quite far behind spells and meele

[brisk mason]

yeah I agree, which is why typically there are little to no bow fighters with wpn mastery or anything.

[torpid thunder]

Only solos rn becouse of the amout of damage you can put out without reload

[solar sage]

Bard is kitting like crazy in solos atm,also,the top 2 players in HR are rangers.
Rogues are beginning to pvp once more,slowly but surely.

Also,all classes dont need to kite to make ranged OP.
Most ranged players will kill you eons before you can actually catch up to them out of the sheer damage potential.

[mellow jasper]

no worries man. Feel free to stay for the shitshow on balance talk

[brisk mason]

num 1 hr guy is a bard. num 2 I think is a ranger, then there is not a ranger for while.

Also since when is an ap farming leaderboard(where many of the high ap players farm on dead servers) the best show of how good a class is lol.

[torpid thunder]

I mean if youre playing a meele only class against a range youre of course at a disadvantige but i dont think thats bad

[chrome light]

lol, i do have a question tho, i played for the first time last night and i was playing on the frozen cave, to my knowledge the way to scape is thru the blue portals, but i didnt see any and i just froze to death. How do u scape the frozen cave

[woeful holly]

have to put a campfire down and a wizard comes to get you

[mellow jasper]

leaderboard is based on loot. People use ranger to kill bosses on GC. and hit the pile with high interact speed. That's why they're on the leaderboard. It's not the pvp

[chrome light]

ohhh really, nice i'll try it today

[solar sage]

Isnt rogue the fastest class to kill bosses with?

[sick depot]

Campfire and a cutscene plays where a wizard extracts you

[woeful holly]

No wait please dont believe me (unless you play warlock)

[torpid thunder]

There are marked escape on the map you can see them as the blue things on your mini map

[brisk mason]

Bard isnt really building for kiting. When having you seen a bard building to just run away with a crossbow or surv bow, i dont rlly. I see bards play ranged sim for a bit to get an advantage before a fight. but i have never died to a bard fully running away shooting back full range while kiting.

They just wont kill you that fast, they don't have that high damage potential. Strafing bolts and arrows especially in a solos setting is pretty easy. and especially with damage fall off ranged dmg is a lot worse rn

[quick fern]

highest ranked ranger streams and the pvp is deff there

[chrome light]

so no campfire wizard, just go to the blue location? or will the campfire also work?

[torpid thunder]

Nah

[brisk mason]

yes. but that is a single guy. and while he pvps hes still prioritizing ap since you need to do that. many other leaderboard players only pve and get ap half the time on dead servers at dead hours.

leaderboards are a horrible example of what class is good. and saying oh look x class is num 2 its a good class is so blatently false.

If you want to look at anything on leaderboard look at the distribution of classes over it. for example how many in top 100, or how many of each high rank, etc.

[woeful holly]

Campife will not work my beloved new player

[mellow jasper]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/IceCavern-01-HR I would turn off everything and then highlight static escape portals. 2 of them are rafts that spawn in the water every 3-5 minutes and will sail you out of map for an extract. Just gotta jump ontop of them.

[torpid thunder]

Thats absoulutly correct leadbords are by far one of the worst examples of class balance

[sick depot]

Yall are too nice. Atleast let it go for a few minutes 😂

[woeful holly]

I started it, I had to end it

[wicked crypt]

@formal moon rip in peace

[quick fern]

what about video evidence of a ranger killing multiple ppl per game multiple games in a row

[mellow jasper]

I miss the pvp kill leaderboards from pt 3. Just filled to the brim with barbarians in position 1-52

[brisk mason]

a single ranger. A single one lol. what does that have to do with anything

[torpid thunder]

I mean thats the example of one really above average player and if you look at the best player for each class then of course each class seems a little op ???

[quick fern]

get good

[chrome light]

oh nice, so statics exits nice, are the for everyone one 1 per person

[torpid thunder]

I mean i was able to sneak myself in there as a ranger xd

[quick fern]

games not suppose to be balanced around people who die to mobs and think its a pve game

[brisk mason]

You really got me there

[brisk mason]

It’s especially not supposed to be balanced around a single person having success

[mellow jasper]

The rafts can hold as many people as can get on. same with the elevator above the pyramid location, but there's a wendigo at the switch, so be careful with that one.

[torpid thunder]

Thats not what there balanced around ? yea of course not there based around the average not new player?

[chrome light]

ty so much for help everyone, including @sick depot

[torpid thunder]

xd always

[quick fern]

other games are balanced around faker level not timmy level

[mellow jasper]

If there's one guy that is really good with ranger and 10 that are REALLY good with barb, warlock and bard each, maybe the ranger isn't that OP

[torpid thunder]

Are you just pretending to be stupid or are you watching the new Vid of your favorite Streamer trying a build and doing good with it and then saying that that build is op???

[brisk mason]

His entire argument revolves around vincent being successful with ranger and high on leaderboard.

[quick fern]

i agree but if that 1 ranger were to kill these players consistently then what?

[sick depot]

My help came not in the form of truth but reality. The dungeon has many dangers including those who would deceive you

[fallen sonnet]

hello 🙂

[mellow jasper]

Then he's honestly a better player. If he's consistently killing them, and it's because he was being carried by the kit, wouldn't all the other players be using ranger?

[torpid thunder]

I mean my ranger is also on duos leaderboard but thats only becouse i play like an absoulute terribile human being

[brisk mason]

Lol based. Imma grind mine up in solos more soon and prolly hit pretty high on leaderboard. Hopefully gonna go for demi but its so painful to get rn

[torpid thunder]

Blue traps be going wild these days

[mellow jasper]

Dude, you have time to stop by the gas station and grab some smokes before they're out of those things lmao

[brisk mason]

Lol

[torpid thunder]

True i play wiz ranger so its just a free kill in duos and the follow up is free cause slow and better range (in duos)

Lol the channel just went full quiet xd

[shadow bough]

Shout out to Ironmace with another Great patch, shame we had to slog through multi ass for it though. Hopefully we didn’t lose many players in the process

[torpid thunder]

I mean i enjoyed the funny and op builds for about 1 and a half weeks and after that it was just running the same meta shit to not lose in above trios

[mellow jasper]

I didn't like that the meta devolved into sprint and savage roar so quickly

[shadow bough]

Yeah the problem lies inherently with the system not the players imo. If you give people all the tools in the game it’s only natural they gravitate towards the “best or most damage builds.” I found solos to be okay this patch, but trios was such a shit show w casters

[torpid thunder]

yea

[mellow jasper]

other than that, multiclass was a fun and hilarious time

[torpid thunder]

I more or less felt like that it was the most anti caster toxic meta in a while

[shadow bough]

I stopped playing after they announced it was going to be phased out. I did see many disgusting ultra fighter tank and sprint barb builds, but the memory of being chain hydra into smite is burned into my brain.

[undone schooner]

or the strongest caster meta with being able to do warlock wizard cleric multiclass 10 spell

[torpid thunder]

I mean against caster just use bard=tank fighter=tank and then a cleric but i get your point

[undone schooner]

just use slow and kite

[torpid thunder]

I mean 110% move speed on both bard and fighter?

[shadow bough]

It was a fun experiment for sure but if it was the game state permanently I would’ve left. Not saying you can’t enjoy it, the balance was just nightmarish

[undone schooner]

not 110 with slow

[torpid thunder]

I mean of course there is slow but it can be blocked and missed and you need more skill on an equal gear level to win against that comp if you get me?

[shadow bough]

I’d even argue skill expression was at its lowest.

[torpid thunder]

I mean i was either playing bard fighter cleric or warlock ranger wiz so yea

[undone schooner]

I mean sure you need more skill but you need more skill to play caster at a higher level in general

[torpid thunder]

Yea with you on that

[random gate]

i am so unbelievably excited about the removal of multiclassing holy i want to kiss ironmace on the mouth every single one of those dweebs needs a kiss

[shadow bough]

Yes you do, if there is no multi class to enhance your cast speed or spell damage and blend spells. Regular wizard takes skill, since all his spells are skill shots mostly

[restive frost]

When we get ice caves level two and when we get Druid

[undone schooner]

"skill shots"

[shadow bough]

No mention of them in patch notes sadly 😭

[undone schooner]

Cast magic missile point blank and beat any melee class

[shadow bough]

Have you tried putting a shield in their face? A YT showed me and it reflects the missiles if you stand point blank w shield out

[mellow jasper]

I mean, it takes like 4 or 5 of those to die, like don't run at him in a straight line lol

[high lynx]

Does anyone officially control cheaters?

[shadow bough]

Elaborate

[undone schooner]

assuming most melees are using a shield is dumb

[undone schooner]

just time it right when they are going for the attack

[high lynx]

There are no normal matches on the current Asian server.

[shadow bough]

Not really it’s just a different play style lol. Post multi ass no one will be rocking spears so bucklers, and heaters will be back in play. Not sure what your point is anyways, was just telling you about an in game interaction.

[undone schooner]

you said it was a skill shot my point is, not much skill required

[high lynx]

A game of 18 people and 10 thieves, they will just wait for you to fight and then go and plunder your loot.

[native verge]

You can also walk away while they cast magic missile and never get hit.

[shadow bough]

Yeah there is a large community of cheaters in SEA ironmace is taking measures to ban them, they had a prior announcement posted sometime last week about it. Sorry that your region is filled with them tho

[undone schooner]

really?

[shadow bough]

Not every spell is a skill shot, please use nuance. Ofc I was referring to fireballs, lightning strikes, ice bolts etc.

[undone schooner]

fireball aint a skill shot

[desert ridge]

ummmm actually snort snort

[shadow bough]

Considering I haven’t been hit by one in ages, I’d say so.

[vital scaffold]

🤔

i would love to hear the logic behind this statement

[mellow jasper]

for real

[undone schooner]

easy logic for you here

[vital scaffold]

please enlighten me

[undone schooner]

its easy to hit

[vital scaffold]

lol

[prisma lava]

now hellfire is another story

[shadow bough]

Talking to a brick wall …..

[mellow jasper]

hElLfIrE iSnT a SkIlLsHoT 🧽

[undone schooner]

ikr you aren't very intelligent

[vital scaffold]

skillshot is in fact, an established term for an attack that requires aiming to land, whether its a large amount of skill or a small amount of skill is irrelevant, its still a skillshot

[undone schooner]

this isnt league

[high lynx]

We spent energy, time, and money to prepare everything, and then went to the dungeon, and then we were tortured and killed by cheaters, and even some people openly cheated live, but the Chinese community administrator shielded him and unblocked the banned account for him.

[prisma lava]

dark bolt is pretty slow too. def had to learn how to lead em

[shadow bough]

I know you can’t use critical thinking skills it’s okay. Once you insult someone in a debate, that’s how you lose immediately. Sit down child

[high lynx]

Is there really no one to care about the cheaters on the Asian server?

[vital scaffold]

thats a factual statement

[mellow jasper]

It's still a skillshot. It's not hitscan which means it's a skillshot. Unpopular opinion incoming, a lot of the melee in this game is a skillshot too

[distant pivot]

IKR

[vital scaffold]

im sure the devs care, but caring alone isnt gonna fix the problem

and they probably simply cant fix it

[undone schooner]

within the definition @vital scaffold gave hitscan would sttill be a skillshot because it requires aiming to land and so would every single other attack melee and ranged in the game but using that term would mean we would have attacks that require 0 aim or aim themselves which dont exist

[high lynx]

I have an idea: Do you know why managers don't care about cheaters?

[vital scaffold]

sounds about right to me

[high lynx]

The only way a normal player can bring a company is to buy games.

[native verge]

games up boys lets GOO

[timid sky]

don't look now but there's a sprinting spear mastery barb with 330ms and achilles right behind u.

[distant pivot]

I mean average players response time is between 400-600ms. The fact melee is less than 300ms especially while geared in combat range is definietly very close to hitscan. Unlike Casters and Ranger where they are projectile based requiring tracking and timing to aim accurate hits. But either way I mostly agree with your opinion that Melee is techinically a skillshot because it requires aiming, but at a very low skill cap.

[high lynx]

But cheaters can buy 3 games a day, and they make money by looting equipment in the dungeon, which is much larger than the money needed to buy the game, so they are the main profit of this game。

[dry marten]

it reset reward tokens kekw

[undone schooner]

yeah I just don't use the term skillshot that way in games that don't have auto hitting abilities like league where that definition of skillshot would be relevant

[distant pivot]

nice

[timid sky]

lmaaoo

[dry marten]

not nice, i already have 4 stashes completely full lmfao

[vital scaffold]

be that as it may, i still think fireball has a lot more leeway than the other examples for fitting within the definition of a skillshot

[undone schooner]

you said to me that its like talking to a brick wall (an insult) so with your statement you already lost sorry bud

[vital scaffold]

dodging a fireball is definitely doable, depending on the skill of the caster

[shadow bough]

Also using league as a comparison for this game in general is pretty dumb.

[sleek dagger]

best update👍

[vital scaffold]

and how far away you are ofc

[sharp haven]

Can us west still play in Oceania? Or vice versa. My main friend I play games with is in oc and I hope the new ping locks don't stop us from being able to play together.

[undone schooner]

I'm not using league for a comparison to this game, I'm using league for a comparison to the term skillshot

[undone schooner]

you strugglin?

[vital scaffold]

to be fair, what he said was more like an accusation of me comparing the game to league than him comparing the game to league

[radiant fog]

THE GAME IS GOOD AGAIN

[vital scaffold]

[radiant fog]

I like ur pfp

[vital scaffold]

thank

[shadow bough]

It's pointless to talk to a brickwall, but I won't turn this into general chat. Adults can have differing opinions and agree to disagree, children bicker online and name call. Today is a good day, mutli ass is gone and the game can move forward.

[dark thorn]

amen

[high lynx]

Does anyone know which admin to contact and he will reply to the message?

[dark thorn]

uh oh essay incoming

[scarlet ruin]

Sorry lol. Is this where i would put a suggestion and points to talk about that suggestion?

[dark thorn]

im just messin yeah

[shadow bough]

Lmao let people discuss the game, don't be rude and obnoxious like general chatters. Edit ik its a joke just putting it in the chat.

[dark thorn]

im offended

[scarlet ruin]

So coming back to the game after a while, lots of updates! super cool to see the community still kickin ❤️ So Ive heard theres some debate on the headshot multiplier %?? I had a thought and I wanted to share and hear some feedback. I feel like in this game things that are truly 1 shot kills should be pretty minimal? DnD has some wonderful combat mechanics and the trades back and forth in combat between classes I feel like are the bread and butter. Now, hitting those headshots can be very difficult depending on the specifics of the fight so we dont want to have the rewards for landing them be too low where they are simply ignored in favor of focusing on something else. Rather than the headshot reward being pure dmg%... why not a mix of %dmg and additional effects? Depending on how in depth one wanted or could be you could have some very interesting and rewarding mechanics that also add to the other main leg of the game, theorycraft/build building. I think playing with the reward in a slightly more mechanically interesting way could super fun. So lets take a simple example of a sword striking an unarmored head. In this case because the target is unarmored a higher % would apply. Perhaps depending on the sword itself something like 150%. On top of that lets add an additional smallish effect whos strength also scales. In this case how about something like healing reduction for X seconds, an X dmg per second bleed, or perhaps even blood in the eyes to toy with a semi blind mechanic. Expanding on this further you would have different effects based on the type of dmg and armor of the target, Blunt to the unarmored head? Still around the 150% mark, but the additional effect could be many things, Stun? Slow? Dizzy? Reduction in Memory stat? Some sort of OTHER mechanic that allows headshots to be something rewarding without just ending a fight outright with a 1 hit K/o. Magic damage would also have the same system. Sorry for the essay but thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[blazing sinew]

tl;dr?

[high sapphire]

i rolled a soulscraper but it doesnt show up in any of the trades even looking it up. anybody know what i could trade for or sell it?

[wind venture]

23 rolls and got only 1 decent thing, yaaay...

[unreal obsidian]

this always downloads so slow for me

[wind venture]

@high sapphirehow the hell would we know without seeing the stats

[high sapphire]

thats true my b

only 1 add wep, 4.5 phys dmg. 4.8 armor pen and 7 buff duration

[elfin fern]

brackets are still 299- and 300+ right

[shadow bough]

I believe so

[sly canyon]

Are they reverting some of the ability nerfs they did to balance multiclass?

[vagrant furnace]

Game crashing abornamally again for anyone?

[mellow jasper]

can we address how obnoxious the centipedes are when they spam the runaway after every attack

and fill the entire floor with acid pools with nowhere to walk

[vapid oyster]

ya sometimes they wiggle non stop and it kinda sucks lol

[high sapphire]

im lost ive never had a named lol

[mellow jasper]

He's talking about the modifiers that rolled on the named. That's the part the arguably holds the most value.

[cosmic quail]

thank god there's no more robust/sword mastery/slayer bards anymore

[high sapphire]

i put it up there

[craggy basin]

What the frick happened to the games lighting?

[lucid saffron]

anybody getting horrible freezes since patch

[digital dock]

what are the tiers for the GBMM?

[wind venture]

299-300

[digital dock]

thanks!

[thorn sleet]

I went into goblin caves and can't see down long corridors even if light is down the bottom

[young bay]

Anyone figured out how to fix the lighting?

[thorn sleet]

What map is it effecting you on?

[verbal fog]

goblins for me, asked some random if he could see the wall on the other end of the tile and he said it looked normal, while I can only see black. I think it's only impacting some users

[young bay]

On crypts as well

[thorn sleet]

Ok cool, it was gobby caves for me

[young bay]

I heard someone fix it by setting everything on low, but I'm already on low

[thorn sleet]

Yeah same

[verbal fog]

i had everything on low, trying epic now

[thorn sleet]

Yeah I am going to Q in with epic on

[verbal fog]

epic fixed it for me...

[gray remnant]

is anyone elses dungeon completely pitch black not even halfway though the module they are in?

[rapid lava]

why is every new update making me crash mutliple times

[verbal fog]

confirming all settings to epic + fuillscreen fixed lighting for me.

[young bay]

Yep try changing graphic settings and update us if it fixes

[verbal fog]

rip my fps

[thorn sleet]

switch it back to low and see if it bugs again

[supple pier]

Recharged reward points lmao, market getting flooded I bet

[frozen geode]

I wanted to confirm this too - anyone know for sure?

[gray remnant]

ngl any grapic setting i set its still dark

[verbal fog]

doing 1 setting at a time, trying with epic + borderless now

[distant pivot]

nope turn ur hacks off

[verbal fog]

I had to turn everyting epic + fullscreen then restart client for me to see accross rooms

[thorn sleet]

legend, fire me a dm, I am going to turn off a bunch of stuff once I am in the dungeon

[young bay]

Update us on the channel if you guys figure it out

[distant pivot]

you need to turn brightness to max then adjust settings for your monitor everyones setup is a bit different

[thorn sleet]

This isn't the case here

[distant pivot]

for me its max bright .20 gamma increase

[young bay]

There's currently a bug where distant objects become pitch black

[cold radish]

are the gear brackets still <> 299?

[viral dune]

Famine or Pulverizing Prayer????

[thorn sleet]

It is like the render distance is dropped

[verbal fog]

nah thats not it. It's a bug tied to a setting, game turns full black after a certain distance

[distant pivot]

oooh Im using all epic settings, 1920 * 1080p using TSR anti aliasing and tsr mode set to performance cloth simulation is on never experienced this issue maybe try a graphics driver update

[young bay]

Gear brackets are same unless you're in a low player server, where it matches everyone

[verbal fog]

yeah it looks like all epic may be the fix, turning things off 1 by 1 to try and find the specific setting

[gray remnant]

"never expirenced that issue" brother we are talking about something that changed in the most recent patch lol

[thorn sleet]

All epic didnt work for me, relaunching to see if that was the reason

[dreamy bridge]

yeah i have the full black at distance bug. none of the settings fix it, but my teammates screen is perfectly fine. as a range class main its literally impossible to play

[verbal fog]

you restart your client after changing settings to epic?

[dreamy bridge]

i restarted and verified.

[verbal fog]

didnt work for me till i restarted client

[dreamy bridge]

epic? what does epic have to do with it

oh, epic settings. im on low.

[thorn sleet]

settings at the top, low to epic

[dreamy bridge]

i thought meant epic games XD

[warped raft]

was there a rollback with this patch?

[thorn sleet]

Make them all epic and restart

[dreamy bridge]

ill try it

[verbal fog]

ok so it's not texture quality, currently windowed full screen, shadow/PP/visual effects on epic, texture quality on low and I can still see far

[violet coral]

Could anyone tell me what the Gearscore brackets are?

[dreamy bridge]

my teammate is on low and his is fine.

[dreamy bridge]

-299 and 300+

[violet coral]

ty

[warped raft]

i used all my reward tokens before the patch, wasnt sure if they were gonna get shut off. actually got some nice stuff out of it. i log in now and they reset the reward counter and i lost everything i rolled before ...

step into my office....CAUSE YOU'RE FUCKIN FIRED !!

[dreamy bridge]

waiting to load into match

[verbal fog]

so shadow quality epic, all other settings low and i can't see again

[formal apex]

Hello guys, how's the game been

[verbal fog]

can rule out texture quality and shadow quality for this distance bug

[worthy cradle]

rip vision

[dreamy bridge]

seems it worked

[viral dune]

yo, Famine axe or pulverizing prayer

is one way more expensive?

[wind venture]

what did they d with the lighting in the distance???

[verbal fog]

at a specific distance, everything becomes pitch black.

[thorn sleet]

Dont think it worked for me but I am trying again

[young bay]

Try restarting after seeing shadows to epic

[verbal fog]

i tried shadows to epic all other settings to low and i still got the distance bug

[thorn sleet]

Met a guy that was all low and said his stuff was great

[verbal fog]

odd

[digital dock]

is gbmm not working in high roller? i just went in as a freshie and im fighting gold mask and cape people?

[subtle heart]

anyone know what the gear levels actually are ?

[thorn sleet]

ok fixed for me on all epic now - For anyone that doesn't see the problem here is a clip https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/2c9WeXFgbJpc75/d1337rt61YNA?invite=cr-MSxoTlYsMjAwMzAxNTEzLA

[verbal fog]

All epic or all epic with texture quality to low seems to work for me.

[subtle heart]

Nerd additional damage stacking </3

[verbal fog]

Can anyone confirm they can see fine with all settings to low?

[mild lake]

they said that if there are low amount of players in a certain region GBMM will not work

[unreal obsidian]

slayer or fighter

slayer or pdr fighter?

[thorn sleet]

Lemme know if you see anything else in DM's I have a meeting to go to lmao

[verbal fog]

lol kk will do

[vapid oyster]

gbmm doesn't mean you never fight anyone with better gear than you, if you want to fight other people in 0 gear play normals, stop being fucking dumb

[warped raft]

looks like they lowered the draw distance, cept its shutting off the light LODs

[thorn sleet]

distance isn't lowered if you set everything to epic though

The clip I posted was all low settings

[verbal fog]

ok so shadows to epic, visual effects to epic and everythign else to low and i can see fine

[digital dock]

oh right...thank you that helps

[thorn sleet]

pog

[warped raft]

who knows, the draw distance and LODs have been messed up since EA, that is def the worst ive seen it though

[olive flower]

Multiclass out, I’m back in the game. Let’s gooooo

[wind venture]

I still dunno if rage would be worth to pick or not..

[verbal fog]

Ok tried all the settings, looks like you need BOTH shadows and visual effects to epic to not get the distance bug

[elder orbit]

best fighter perks?

[warped raft]

1st game back...ends abnormally LMFAO

[deft lynx]

just had a guy glitch through a closed door, idk how they did it but im flabbergasted!

[wind venture]

I still fucking HATE how pdr fighter can survive a BILLION headshots, and they can just body hit you 3 times and you die

[warped raft]

now that MC is gone everyone will be back on the fighter train

[stark flint]

[wind venture]

They need to make armor less strong, OR have better armor pen options :/ I have no fucking idea what IM is doing this season

[warped raft]

all directions lead to easy street 😉

[wind venture]

Easy street to the grave for this game as its going

[scenic hornet]

What class did u play

[light glacier]

'There is incorrect information regarding tooltip display.' what did this mean

[warped raft]

the new video confirmation window is def causing some oddities, game keeps flipping through resolutions

[wind venture]

-Armor has been a problem for such a long time, its not being touched
-True damage should not be in the game, some classes can abuse the shit out of it.
-Range in general should get a small knock back.

[formal moon]

Fumbling the bag

[scenic hornet]

Range knockback lol

Same here MC brought so much fun lol

[wind venture]

@formal moonthe bag is not only empty, its dry as sand

[calm jolt]

Did they messed up something with rewards after multiclassing disabling? It seems I can select rewards from the beginning.

[formal moon]

Mc was great, if you had no life.

[tranquil blaze]

They should have moved MC to normals instead of completely removing it.

We've been eating dog food for the entire existence of this game then multiclass came along, that delicious lasagna of diversity but now it's gone... How do we go back to eating dog food now?

[light glacier]

yep, hella people didnt even give it a try bc they thought the grind never got improved drastically buncha fools

[fervent cloak]

[warm narwhal]

why did they add gear score if im 150 gs and geting in game to someone with 450 gs .....

[ruby kelp]

Gs matchmaking was more fun when it was 199 instead of 299

[unreal obsidian]

match making doesn't work

[cedar chasm]

"We have also removed GBMM for some of the lower populated regions" Could be due to this.

[warm narwhal]

eroupe west is low pop if so games dead

[unreal obsidian]

i have one blue and one green.. the rest is poor, junk, and white.. my gera score is 204 and i'm in here with 300+ full purple folks

[formal moon]

IM messed up the math, shocking. Just don't play the game, it's honestly the best thing we can do for the health of the game

[warm narwhal]

true they ruined game no one asked for all this random shit they are adding

[steel fulcrum]

DAILY REMINDER that the game isnt even out yet

[tranquil panther]

pvp sucks man, too many unwinnable spots to be consistent and fun. thought it was just multiclassing but the pvp still sucks. PVE is so fun tho almost makes it worth

[formal moon]

so it's ok to ruin and degrade player sentiment by adding systems that two minutes of thought to realize they're bad.

[steel fulcrum]

yes it is, cuz they experiment to find the best model

[ionic wave]

was there a change to render distance?

everything far away is super dark

[warm narwhal]

stop meat riding the devs this is the devs at fault for ruining there game

[daring tendon]

what are the gear brackets?

[warm narwhal]

@daring tendon they dont work

[daring tendon]

so no gbm?

[warm narwhal]

@daring tendon nope if ur 150 you will still get 400+

[outer ridge]

Ya I’m sure a lot of people will quit with it gone , in the same way people quit when it came , but I agree it feels boring now lol. Got a taste of all that power and it’s just gone!

[gilded prairie]

Try making sure that your shadow settings are on 'Low'

There's a bit of a render issue with any other option

[scenic hornet]

Lol

[tranquil blaze]

I quit playing because they removed it and I was a daily enjoyer

[high sapphire]

i was calling it as soon as they said they were gonna remove it. i feel like a lot of people are going to say its stale now lol

[wet orchid]

same, i rerolled almost every day and made different builds depending on what i got, oh well

[mild lake]

I main ranger and rouge and they are unplayable, the only play style you can use is using throwables or bows, but I can't because people are always faster than me or will kill me with 2 hits, any solution for this?

[wet orchid]

agility and speed is key for those, if you're on a budget consider not even using a chest piece

if you hit your shots, you can kite

[mild lake]

I tried building agility + dex with ranger but It takes a lot of hits to kill mobs since I don't have any damage

[steady scroll]

tf is tawern worker and why is it gives me an error and not alowing me to run a game

[vapid arch]

dont let them be faster than you

[elfin fern]

@amber arch thanks for not filling me full of holes in that sewer

[mild lake]

Yeah with achilies naked +12% ms barb and max speed plated fighter with sprint ofc I will escape from them

[formal moon]

rogue is trash without gear and range just needs to land shots

[wet orchid]

i dont play ranger but true phys seems like it'd be good with high dex and agi, and have maybe a melee for clearing

[mild lake]

yeah I usually play with survival bow + true damage but I hated it because you need to be a little bit closer than usual so people catch me everytime

[vapid arch]

rogues and rangers are probably the easiest classes to get max move speed, realistically you shouldn't be able to 1v1 a barb or fighter so it comes down to kiting and spacing

[wet orchid]

kiting is key with survival bow, just jump forward while charging the shot backwards to keep momentum

[vapid arch]

if you want to be able to face tank someone and kill them then rogue and ranger aren't for you

[unreal obsidian]

gsmm seems to be broken....

[formal moon]

always was

[mild lake]

thats why I said they are unplayable, I enjoy playing them but everyone is using slayer fighter or max pdr or barbs with high ms

[naive wren]

Is the game darker now they changed shadows ?

[mild lake]

I think its a bug

[naive wren]

you also have it that in the distance all is black like fog of war

[runic arrow]

Hello guys. Anyone knows when trials are avalible? I want try it with my friends (I buy game for my self).

[vapid arch]

yeah barbs and fighters with high ms is an issue but you're acting like its impossible to win with rogue or ranger, it just requires more skill to win than they do

[formal moon]

i'll concede all day rogue requires too much gear and skill compared to any other class

[scenic hornet]

U legit just have to kite tbh i hate both these classes lol

[unreal obsidian]

so what's the gsmm tiers?

[subtle heart]

299 and under / 300+

[unreal obsidian]

nope.. that's not it anymore.. I was just 149 and was in a lobby with 300+

[subtle heart]

yes it is it

[unreal obsidian]

i'm telling you, it's not working that way

[subtle heart]

read the patch notes properly instead of correcting people when you dont know

[unreal obsidian]

3 games in a row on nae... i'm under 200,, then under 150 twice

[vapid arch]

this is what happens when you nerf 3 play styles back to back and give 0 compensation

well, 2 play styles and attributes/weapons

[random gate]

yoo is it sooo much darker in crypts now or

[fiery elbow]

Probably u're in low players lobby

[scenic hornet]

Solo ?

[unreal obsidian]

nae?

[scenic hornet]

Solo ? What map?

[unreal obsidian]

duo.. crypts

[random gate]

guys whats going on with the shadows, i cant see anything in distance at all

[scenic hornet]

What gearscorr was ur buddy?

[unreal obsidian]

naked.. like 90

[scenic hornet]

Damn I guess its a bug with their feature ; no gearscore treshold with lower pop lobbies then

[thorn sleet]

Change all the graphics to epic and relaunch the game

[chilly sentinel]

they mention some regions not having gbmm

[honest crystal]

i guess the patch notes explain the shadows bug?

[honest crystal]

actual melon

[subtle heart]

what does the shadows bug have to do with the conversation i was having ? are you special ?

[honest crystal]

i guess the small brain cant connect the 2 the patch notes dont explain everything

[subtle heart]

who the fuck was talking to you anyway xD

[honest crystal]

❤️

[thorn sleet]

Low pop servers do not have gear based matchmaking to keep the lobbies filled

[subtle heart]

still waiting for you to explain what a shadow bug, has to do with GMM. And how did you even put those two things together

[honest crystal]

Thats a you problem if you cant connect them

[subtle heart]

alright bro, get back on the short bus

[honest crystal]

typing too fast kiddo relax

[high sapphire]

im so confused i see a rogue wearing light gauntlets northern tunic and spangenhelm??? is he fucking cheating?

[thorn sleet]

If he was wearing it after patch he can keep wearing it till he takes it off or dies

I went into a lobby on barb with a bow still on my back after I forgot to take it off and I can hold it in my hands by not shoot it

[high sapphire]

oh lol ok i was worried for a min

[waxen kite]

The hotfix said that rewards are recharged instead of just added to existing rewards based on level. I didn't redeem my rewards on some of my characters because i did not have the space in their stash and i also wanted to wait to do a large pull. With that said I just received no additional rewards due to this. Am i just boned or is there some way i can potentially get helped with this?

[honest crystal]

ReAd ThE pAtCh

[thorn sleet]

RIP

[subtle heart]

you are one mentally derranged individual

[honest crystal]

Why ask questions in game discussion @subtle heart amirite 😉

[subtle heart]

sorry i offended your boyfriend

[honest crystal]

xD melon

[thorn sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/theirresistible-dylanwang-watermelonhead-watermelon-wanghedi-gif-19662402

[honest crystal]

Stay in this discord and wait for me to reply you cute boy ❤️

[subtle heart]

knew you were a bottom

[subtle heart]

anyway you keep white knighting a discord with unhinged takes, and read the patch notes too

[boreal zinc]

best figter perks?

[honest crystal]

massive brain #ReAd ThE pAtCh in game discussion uwu cringe

[dim blade]

tf is with the dead servers man cant find anybody to murk. This game is so easy lol where is the comp and the challenge?

[scenic hornet]

Yeah thats what I said prob a bug with that feature

[scenic hornet]

Lol

[subtle heart]

stop crying bro

[honest crystal]

clever use of that brain

[subtle heart]

ight bro, stop crying already

[violet coyote]

does anyone know if the goblin cave survive quest is for gc only or if you die in another dungeon (like ice caverns) will it ruin your quest?

[molten flicker]

Anyone else having display issues after this patch? Everything was fine before but now the rendering for rooms further away is just pitch black, I can see torches and stuff still but like everything else is just straight black, can’t see doors or chests or anything, I’m assuming players as well if they’re too far away…

[honest crystal]

gets called cringe goes back to preschool for insults you go girl @subtle heart

[subtle heart]

stop crying little man

[honest crystal]

reply to me so i can cry

[twin dew]

yeah i have it too im quivering in fear

[honest crystal]

hold on im reading patch notes

[subtle heart]

you need a hobby

[subtle heart]

alright bro i dont need an essay

[honest crystal]

maximum projection bro waits in game discussion telling people to read xD

[honest crystal]

now reply to me you cutie

quick google

third grade

[outer ridge]

Cringgggeee

[shadow bough]

Both of you halft3rds should got chat in general instead. Stop putting your filth here

[ocean nexus]

All yall on a dead game enjoy playing with the same people over and over again can't wait till this game disappears into nothingness.

[brisk mason]

Does anyone have a fix to this horrible lighting? not being able to see anything across rooms

[lucid saffron]

GBMM sucks man, whats the point if you're just going to get matched up with sweaty nerds min maxing +2 additional/true in every slot anyway

[ocean nexus]

GBMM is a joke just like everything else in this game. If they had made test servers when this game was 100k+ players it wouldn't be dead but it is so enjoy being a lab rat and getting live tested on. You never gonna get out of this maze and there is no cheese at the end. Thank you Ironmace for the riveting gameplay.

[outer ridge]

I haven’t gotten on since the update, can you adjust your gamma or anything? In invidia Or is it a render thing I wonder

[merry nest]

same and its honestly terrifying

is this some new rogue buff ironmace

[tardy sandal]

Darker and Darkest

[merry nest]

cant see X distance everything is dark

literally busted for anyone using creep lmao u cant even see if doors are open

[gray remnant]

Setting everything to epic and then restarting game fixed it for me. Cbf troubleshooting it to find the exact setting

[scarlet ruin]

Instead of making crits do insane amounts of damage possibly creating a 1 hit K.o situation which really doesnt provide a lot of fun for the receiving player, make headshots apply additional effects based on the type of damage done and type of armor worn. Examples would include healing reduction, bleed, or a partial "blood in the eye blind" for slashing, or daze/stun/slow/memory reduction for blunt etc

Ideally headshots are still very rewarding as they should be, but you reduce how often someone gets into a fight and isnt able to really participate. Obviously you can make the "get gud" argument and I dont want to outright prevent 1 hit K/o's but I think it would be interesting to explore other ways to reward the high skill play that keeps the fight going, or at least gives the receiving player some oppertunity to respond.

[blazing sinew]

dude this game is a meme, dont you know that?

[north pelican]

how is there no sell all treasure button yet

[young vine]

Anyone have issues with game crashes in inferno?

[scarlet ruin]

Wasnt aware

[twin dew]

just shadow and texture quality did it for me

[mellow jasper]

warlocks shouldnt be able to life drain hydra. There, i said it

[twin dew]

thats not even the problem magi heal is better than life drain

[mellow jasper]

its true, but being able to spawn an ai to drain is ridiculous

or it at least shouldnt provide more hp than the spell costs to cast

[twin dew]

well if they remove hydra heal then they will just use mobs like normal

[high sapphire]

infinite heal isa very cool

[mellow jasper]

That's fine tbh. It at least requires that they interact with and potentially pull hostile AI in a fight

right now its all reward and zero risk. It's just free heals and a door block in one

[twin dew]

yeah ig its a lil broken only if they have decent gear though

[mellow jasper]

bro, that shit goes hard in norms lmao

and just gets better

[high sapphire]

IM 325 ms why is a fully geared barb able to run me down in the lower teir lobbies. how tf is thsi guy catching me when i dont have a fucking wep out and then 1 taps me. how does a barb even stack that much ms when hes fully clothed.agi barb is a fucking joke of a class. W key main

[quick fern]

same way you did

[high sapphire]

then lower their base agi cause wtf

he didnt even rage

[mellow jasper]

barbs have always been ridiculous in solos. They've kinda got it made in the format. Them and Warlocks lmao

[high sapphire]

yeah its fucking stupid a tank shouldnt be able to chase me down. thats why they have the door break perk like fuck they dont have to be fast as shit too

[quick fern]

they lowered everyones movespeed instead so its easier for them to catch you thx ironmace

[high sapphire]

yeah its so much fun. makes no sense

i play barb and it actually feels so easy i hate it

[untold cove]

i luv the new gbmm cant even play hr anymore

[quick fern]

most of their customers are fighter and barb it makes perfect sense

[fervent lantern]

lame, PVP promotion update is gonna kill the game for casual players

[high sapphire]

lol. but fr an almost ms cap ranger and a fully clothed barb catches me? how does that make sense

[naive wren]

Did they change the shadows in this patch? its all alot more darker

[molten flicker]

I’ve noticed the same thing, across rooms isn’t rendering properly shows like pitch black I can’t see doors chests players etc if too far

[naive wren]

yes!!!! exactly

[naive wren]

any idea on how to fix it , its fkdup

[runic jacinth]

can we get 1-2 actually useful abilities on Bard so there is another actually viable option to run other than 10 song

[gilded prairie]

Set your shadows to 'Epic' and then restart the game.

Fixed it for myself and others; but I've heard that the issue still persisted for some.

[scenic hornet]

Rangers deserve to be catched up muahah

[next spear]

Yes my render distance is incredibly low for some reason

[high sapphire]

hahaha its bullshit fr. whats the point of playing a high ms class that barbs can catch up to. ur delusional lol

[scenic hornet]

I just hate ms classes ruin the fun for me so Im happy to hear they're struggling ❤️

[high sapphire]

its literally a high ms barb he could run or chase you down.do u not get that?

a ms barb build that can chase down every class shouldnt even be a thing imo. its a tank class

[smoky kernel]

would you rather a ms build ranger that can kite kill everyone?

[high sapphire]

u still have to hit shots. its not like its impossible to kill one and theyll barely have over 100 health with gear if they go for pure ms like i do. they fuck up once and u got em. i have to hit people like 8+ times with surv bow. barb = wkey and 2 tap

[smoky kernel]

I see the point. I also can say barbs have to land their hits also albeit much easier to land them. I agree they are probably too stonk atm but mostly if you know how to play. You can dodge melee attacks. Fighters get sprint. Clerics have judgment for slow. Wizards have ice. Rangers can take the perk to shoot the legs to slow them, there is ways.

[high sapphire]

they have a perk to break doors and theyre just as fast as me. makes sense

[smoky kernel]

If you can just out pace them and fill them with arrows it's just as bad.

[fringe condor]

guys, its icy cavernsSOOOOO much dark?

[knotty kernel]

Rangers are only a problem in Norms, in Hr they start to fall off the higher the gear score gets. Rangers cant do anything against high PDR.

[smoky kernel]

imo i don't think PDR/MDR should have been a thing

[foggy grail]

when barb yells to hit ms cap they have 0 pdr if they are ms build. 1 long bow shot to the head and 1 spear head hit does 180dmg ish. and if you are playing an range class and putting yourself in a positon where you cant atleast get off 1 arrow then your just bad( sometimes people get the jump on you sure but that happens to even barbs, if they dont have wep out or are in a door way its gg) just position different and build true mag or a bunch of phys

[knotty kernel]

what? why not,

[knotty kernel]

Ranger is barbs counter, any ranger that dies to barb deserves it,

[unreal obsidian]

how do fix the darkness? i can't see across the room

[limber flame]

anyone else getting a bug where they cant redeem on a character?

[smoky kernel]

It just seems like an odd mechanic when they could have just balanced damage accordingly so that pvpve felt good and rewarding instead of the face tanking shots cause why not.

[high sapphire]

im boutta creep around doing a 1 shot build. fuck a fight im just gonna shoot people

[wanton finch]

anyone know if the HR lobbies are still separated between 299< and 300+?

[knotty kernel]

The game was designed around mechanics from old school rpgs, so it has things like +damage, and +all attributes, and physical resist and magic resist. Because this is how old rpgs did things. It does lead to sort of unbalanced builds, but that is part of the aesthetic appeal.

[jaunty topaz]

medium graphics settings moment

[smoky kernel]

I can see that. I do hope they can balance it better than old rpgtt because I for one would min/max to be OP. I don't mind really strong opponents but maybe lower caps of DR or something to make it possible to win fights other than luck.

[knotty kernel]

The truth is you are not supposed to win certain fights. This is a class based game, some classes beat you in the rock paper scissors. That is just how this game works. That is a good thing though, because that means classes matter, and team composition matters, for purposes of duos and trios

[astral moth]

FIX GEAR MATCH MAKING HOW AM I STILL MATCHING UP WITH PEOPLE WITH 200 plus POINTS IN HIGH ROLLER IF IM NOT TAKING ANYTHING IN

[smoky kernel]

I suppose that makes sense, IDK how Fun? that works out for a video game though. I don't mind losing though, I get that in any fight you have a winner/loser. The rock paper scissors makes sense but at the moment it's more like rock paper scissors lizard spock dynamite

[sweet imp]

I just got killed by a team in full purples as I was base kit

[crystal onyx]

take something in?

[sweet imp]

nerd emoji

[smoky kernel]

were you solo vs team?

[sweet imp]

yes

[crystal onyx]

can't take something in, and are getting dumpstered? normals until you can gear?

[astral moth]

THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

[astral moth]

IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT IF I HAVE NOTHING ON IM AM NOT TO BE PUT IN A GEARED LOBBY THIS GAME IS DEAD IT JUST MATCHES WHO EVER TO CREATE A GAME

[sweet imp]

honestly I think the biggest issue is gear diff, without it there wouldn't be a need for gear based mm

[smoky kernel]

did you expect an empty lobby?

[astral moth]

IT SHOULD FORCE GEARED PLAYERS TO WAIT NO MATCH YOU BUT WITH NO GEARED PEOPLE LOOKING TO GO INTO HIGH ROLLER WITH NOTHING WHATS THE FUN

[sweet imp]

please use punctuation

[smoky kernel]

Why do you want to do HR with nothing?

[astral moth]

im good if you have a problem get help

[sweet imp]

I do because it makes the PvE decently fun as opposed to boring

[jaunty grail]

Honestly they need separate balancing for solos and just solos because as a cleric you just lose to everyone other than a rogue.

[sweet imp]

being forced to bring in good shit just to play slightly less easy mode is stupid tbh

[astral moth]

BECAUSE I WANT AN I SHOULD BE ABLE TO WITH OUT RUNNING INTO GEARED PEOPLE THE WAY THE GAME WAS UPDATED IT SHOULD NOT BE MATCHING ME WITH A GEARED LOBBY EVERY TIME

[smoky kernel]

Fair, but do you expect to get rekt by people with stuff?

[sweet imp]

usually

[crystal onyx]

so you want people to be able to grind for rank 1, queuing naked?

[astral moth]

YES CAUSE I KNOW HWNE I LOAD INTO A LOBBBY THEY ARE ALWAYS GEARED

[astral moth]

UHH PEOPLE DO ANYWAY

[crystal onyx]

so then what's your excuse?

[smoky kernel]

Also, people with good gear don't always want to fight people with good gear. They want to win just as bad

[astral moth]

LOOK AT ALL THE NAKED PICK POCKET ROGUES

[astral moth]

EXUSE FOR WHAT

[jaunty grail]

Report reeds for spam please

[smoky kernel]

that's their choice of playstyle?

[crystal onyx]

you're complaining that nakeds can grind to rank 1. why are you unable to queue and acquire gear to not be naked?

[sweet imp]

either way my issue is that the gbmm doesn't work, and if it doesn't work then the gear diff shouldn't be as huge
The game should have either proper gear based mm, or reduce the gear diff. Both make it basically impossible to do HR without having a good kit

[astral moth]

I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SOMEONE GRINDING RANK YOU DID

[foggy grail]

gbmm is good unless you are a poor grub 299/300+

[astral moth]

THAT WOULD BE FALSE REPORT

[smoky kernel]

Yes, you make a good point/

[astral moth]

YEA

[sweet imp]

I don't think it's working properly rn, I went in naked (in a populated server, usw) and got in a lobby where basically everyone had full purple

[smoky kernel]

Maybe it is working and that's a deterrent for going in naked? idk

[astral moth]

WE ABOUT TO GET A UPDATED TO ADD BOTS LIKE FORTNITE LOL

[astral moth]

BRO IF MORE PEOPLE PLAYED IT WOULD DO THAT

[mighty ore]

YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE IS THAT THEY GET RID OF MULTI CLASS BUT DONT ROLL OUT ANY BALANCE CHANGES AT ALL WTF FIX THESE WARLOCKS WITH 50PERCENT PDR AND PLUS TEN ATTRIBUTE

[crystal onyx]

if we have people, like you, constantly crying about something as simple as acquiring gear to compete in 299- lobies, then quite possibly

[smoky kernel]

It is an EA game with little content atm so I get the not playing

[astral moth]

YEA FR

[sweet imp]

Either way I think what would be better is reduce gear diff by changing or even outright removing certain static stat bonuses from clothes than just having gear based anything. A player who's naked should be able to kill a player in decent gear. It should be hard but not impossible like it is currently

[astral moth]

NO ONE PLAYS CAUSE THE GAME IS NEVER UPDATED WE GO BACK AN FORTH WITH BALANCING AN CHANGING STUFF NO CONTENT NOTHING WE ARE FANLLY GET SOMETHING AFTER HOW LONG?

[smoky kernel]

Considering the amount of people that enjoy normals more than HR, I agree.

[smoky kernel]

What?

[astral moth]

IDK DUDE LOL

[sweet imp]

I think gbmm removes the point of having good gear for most players, good gear should make it easier to kill other players, what gbmm does is just tries to make fights basically the same as how they are in norms, just with a bigger number for health and a bigger number for damage

[scenic hornet]

Thats such a dumb take lol so according to you a barb should never be allowed to catch a ranger ? So how are u supposed to kill ranger as barb in that scenario?

[smoky kernel]

Alright then lol

[astral moth]

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE LAST BIGGEST UPATE?

[sweet imp]

the current one where they removed mc

[astral moth]

WE HAVNT HAD ONE BESIDE REMOVING MULTI CLASS

[scenic hornet]

Adding multiclass ?

[astral moth]

WITCH THE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE DAY ONE AN IT TOOK THEM FOREVER TO RELEASE AN IT STILL DIDNT COME OUT FIRST UPDATE IT TOOK MULTI UPDATED TO FULLY REALEASE

[sweet imp]

next update coming out will probably add the new map + a new race

that's fairly big I'd say

[mighty ore]

WE NEED MORE MECANICS FOR OUT PLAYING LONGSWORD IS THE ONLY REAL WEAPON IN THIS GAME JUST TONE DONE EVERYONES DMG BY A F TON AND MAKE FIGHTS TAKE MORE TO CHUNK EACH OTHER DOWN DONE IM DONE UNTIL THEY MAKE A GAME WITH MORE BLOCKING AND PARRY MECHANICS WE ALL STICK FIGURES PLAYING WHO HAS THE MOST STATS AND YOU HAVE A CLASS LITTERALLY ABLE TO GET 10 ATTRIBUTE AND CAST SPELLS INFINITELY ITS DONE EVERYONE THIS HAS BECOME DEAD AND DEADER

[astral moth]

WHY NOT AN NUTRAL STAT PERKS YOU CAN PUT POINT INTO LIKE IDO 1/10 FOR EACH PUT GAME .1 MAGIC DAMAG IN THE TRAING LIKE DIABLO OR POE GOT A PERK SYSTEM

[smoky kernel]

Idk if they should do races, IMO they should try to fix what they have first? But I don't make games so what do I know

[knotty kernel]

GOD DAMN WE NEED +3ALL BACK, why is wearing armor a negative in this game

[smoky kernel]

No offense to you, I just have a really difficult time reading or understanding some of what you say due to lack of punctuation and it being ALL capital letters.

[scenic hornet]

Lmao

[dreamy mantle]

is there a chart of what quality gear gives what score? can easily compare in inventory but wanted to see if a pre-established was made

[astral moth]

ITS NOT EVEN THAT I TYPE FAST AN DONT SPELL CHECK

[smoky kernel]

No, it is that.

[astral moth]

YOU CAN READ WITH OUT IT BEING SPELLED RIGHT

[astral moth]

SO IF IM 2 LETTERS OFF ITS UN READABLE GOT IT

[astral moth]

THEY WAS WORKING ON MULTI CLASS FOR EVER MESSED IT UP THEN REMOVED IT THATS NOT A BIG UPDATE IF YOU ASK ME

WASTE UP TIME SO THEY DONT HAVE TO SPEND MONEY

[woeful plume]

Being fluent in reading "Typo" is one thing. Having to decipher someone's crap because they are admittedly too lazy to use a little punctuation, is another thing.

[astral moth]

OK ITS NOT REALLY DECIPHERING IF IM MISS SPELL BY A LITTLE BIT IN EACH WORD

[astral moth]

I AM FLUENT JUST NOT REALLY CARING RIGHT NOW CAUSE I CAN

[astral moth]

I DONT NEED TO SPELL EVERYING CORECLY FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND

[woeful plume]

Hey, you do you dude. When you grow up and want people to start taking you seriously, you'll figure it out. lol

[astral moth]

HEY MAN IM IN THE DISCORD TYPING IF WAS MORE SEROUIS I WOULD THANK YOU FOR YOU TIME

[astral moth]

OK LETS GET BACK TO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GAME IF NOT ITS SPAMM

[subtle heart]

FUCKING REMOVE KNOWLEGE AND WILL FOR RANGER AND BUFF OUR FUCKING STR AND DEX OMFG ITS SO FUCKING STUPID WE HAVE THOSE STUPID ASS FUCKING TRASH STATS AS A RANGER. AND I FUCKING HATE IT WITH A PASSION. FUCKING CHRIST MAKE RANGER GOOD AGAIN

[astral moth]

WIZARD SHOULD HAVE MANA NOT SPELL COUNT

THIS ISNT DARK SOULS 1 AN 2

[vital jungle]

failed to open tavern.exe the file is open in another program

[knotty kernel]

Rangers dont get to complain, you have a perfectly viable class, just learn to aim

[subtle heart]

I humbly, disagree

[astral moth]

YEA BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO NO REALOAD ARROWS

WHY NOT MAKE A QUIVER AN ADD ARROWS INTO IT

STEAD REALODING MY INVISABLE QUIVER

[knotty kernel]

what you mean, if you mean the limited arrow mechanic, that was a stupid addition to begin with. the having to reload after 7 shots was more than sufficient

[smoky kernel]

I do think they should add a quiver for rangers, arrows take up so much room

[knotty kernel]

they should remove the stupid arrows to begin with, it was dumb to even make ammo a limited resources in the first place, It is bloat, It adds extra mechanics that arent necessary and clutters the loot pool. Porbably the third worst change IM ever did

[astral moth]

TELL WHAT SENSE IT MAKES FOR A RANGER TO RELOAD ARROWS IN A QUIVER WHY NOT JUST SHOOT THE ARROW INSEAD

[smoky kernel]

You are very right

[astral moth]

FR

[subtle heart]

MAKE RANGER GREAT AGAIN. ON GOD

[silk chasm]

no good gear gives you the ability to play your class at its full potential

thats the main point not to kill noobs easier

[astral moth]

FR

[knotty kernel]

just get out, go play chivalry, and leave

[silk chasm]

mad cuz bad

[astral moth]

LOL

[knotty kernel]

mad cause people with low IQ, buy an RPG then complain about gear diff, what the fuck are you playing a DND clone for if you hate collecting gear. IT makes no sense

[astral moth]

RANGER SHOULDNT AHVE TO RELOAD WIZARDS SHOULD HAVE MANA NOT SPELL COUNT

ADD MANA TO THE GAME AN REMOVE SPELL COUNT

[silk chasm]

im low iq yet i never complained abt gear diff. wow the trucels of this game are very sad.

i enjoy the grind for good gear, im just stating that the point of good gear is too make ur class better and more enjoyable not to kill ppl who can only play an hour a day

maybe if u were high iq like you think you would understand but ur brain is mush from staring at the monitor 12 hours a day

[knotty kernel]

Turns out I am the low Iq mentally and mentally difficent, You were on my side.

[high sapphire]

why am i always getting 2v1 in solos. do people really hate ranger that much? its so fucking annoying being in the middle of a fight and without speaking they both go after you. fucking why

[static rapids]

yes, people really hate ranger that much

[stuck ridge]

What is the most OP class?

[knotty kernel]

Fighter, Play fighter

[high sapphire]

actually every time. its so fucking annoying

[stuck ridge]

I'm more wondering who to run from lol

[static rapids]

i just don't play it, shit'srough for you boys out there lmao

[knotty kernel]

No one if you are fighter you take everyfight and you should win. The only counter is a good wizard

[high sapphire]

if theres 3 people around incuding me they just drop everything and come after me god damn

[stuck ridge]

Lmoa, sounds too good to be true

[static rapids]

range anything is biggest threat in the game, take you out then just beat the shit out of each other til one of them dies, that's how they see it lol

[high sapphire]

ranger is fun but its the worst time playing it. idk why i even try

[static rapids]

just have to be phenomenal at kiting

[high sapphire]

might just go back to pickpocketing. pvp is so boring on other classes and i just want multiclassing back

[merry veldt]

anyone know how to fix shadow render ? its super bad for some reason

[hollow narwhal]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SlickSecretiveShallotAMPTropPunch-FC6p-5KlVaRIXphl
Dupping?

just happened on live stream

[jagged kindle]

People complain about game being boring. multiclassing is intrigued and players complain and want it gone. Multi class gets removed. People complain about no Multiclassing again. There’s no pleasing anyone 😂

[vestal falcon]

Any good Warlock win vs a fighter

[blazing finch]

kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiterkite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter kite and kiter

[earnest drift]

did the hotfix made the game darker? The lights seems to be rendering only few units away, I kinda liked that, It got me unnerved, fitting for a game named dark and darker

[knotty kernel]

nah just kill him with your bow

[knotty kernel]

yeah they need to change pdr scaling so that if you dont wear a chest piece you have like -20% pdr. In fact not wearing a piece of armor should give you serious negative stats

[blazing finch]

i agree
i also think they should just lower base movement speed and then lower the penalty for gear

[knotty kernel]

prob a good idea aswell

[vestal falcon]

He can heal?

[honest dirge]

i have 36 rewards under class to open after the update but the game wont let me open them. this happening to anyone else?

[deep galleon]

I feel like Bard needs a limit to how many buffs they can apply to themselves or allies.

[undone schooner]

Not entire sure what people are doing but some sort of ap glitch is def going on past could raids ive been in people with full legendaries and named gear are bringing in a full inventory of treasure

I'm assuming they are killing a ressurecting each other and then taking out each others inventories

also I'm having some sort of issue where like my render distance if very short like I can only see half a room worth of distance

[deep galleon]

Yeah so adding the ability to turn "handled" items into "looted" items was a bad idea the moment I saw it and this just confirms it.

It kind of shows to me that the devs' forethought is about as long as your render distance.

[undone schooner]

yeah I'm just not entirely sure the way people are doing it

[deep galleon]

I mean, killing player = items turn loot. Simple as that. They're taking the treasure out and THEN resurrecting. Feels like this needs to be remove ASAP and the scoreboards should all be rolled back.