game-discussion

[static rapids]

I'll be waiting for that second name brother you have my @

you can't even use the correct form of your and you think anything you say holds value??

[turbid shoal]

i like how instead of giving a name we just got some useless assumption.

[static rapids]

dude watches the best rogue player do some shit and then just comes in here to scream LOL

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

My inventory is full of purple and gold kits from dudes like you homie, I'll continue to have fun with the game while dudes like you continue to cry foul

[turbid shoal]

Lmao yes and then has 0 arguments to back it up except saying with mc its op while mc is being removed already. while i was talking about rogue without mc. because thats basically the thing we need to look at

[lucid kayak]

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[turbid shoal]

This is a useless argument again give the name or just say you were wrong. namecalling is not making you have a stronger point. were trying to have a civil discussion here. i never specified the lobby?

[static rapids]

yeah we get what another 3 days max with mc? I'm not too worried about it. Plenty of shit that's busted with MC but I love it because EVERYONE has a chance to do it. these people act like it's some mystical build that they themsleves can't unlcoka nd go play lmfaoooo

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

talking about normal lobbies? which majority of people in this game right now are playing?? I guess that's why I'm talking about base lobbies lmao

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

I'm happy for you, instead of bragging about it why don't you go play it

[subtle heart]

Just saying Bard is a better Rogue. lol You get invisibility and you are super fast with Rapier just saying. Rogue needs a different style to make them more interesting. I seen Fighter and Bards doing almost the same Attack speed as a rogue but more health. Makes rogue kind of useless ngl

[static rapids]

once again by the way it's you're, you know you are

[static rapids]

nah bro you have to listen to this guy, roguew is so gigga busted!!!!!

[vapid arch]

when multiclassing goes the entire thing about rogue is hide and poison weapon which sets him apart from everyone else

[subtle heart]

Also Bard invisibility is like 40 seconds invisbility with no extra perk. Which is stupid But not only that bard can make allies invis

[vapid arch]

bard stealth also has a massive delay while making noise the entire time

and it doesn't have ambush

[subtle heart]

Rogue dot is fun but its too weak. It pretty much a gimmick

[vapid arch]

i've seen 5 stacks at 16 per tick

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

keep crying and mispelling everything along the way my friend, I enjoy the free entertainment

[turbid shoal]

Have you ever heard of having arguments for your opinion? or did you skip out on any common sense. youre not even going into the arguments of the other party youre just namecalling and it makes you look very immature. Before coming into this channel called game-discussion maybe learn how to have a discussion instead of just some nonsense namecalling.

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

IMagine not taking the time to type a single word correctly in any of your comments on this discord, it's actually quite crazy

[jagged ruin]

Well, well, well, look who's suddenly the grammar police. It must be exhausting trying to compensate for your lack of original insults by nitpicking at insignificant details. If only your wit matched your dedication to correcting typos, maybe then you'd actually be interesting. But hey, keep striving for perfection in all the wrong places.

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

thanks for the comment, I aprreciate you, now run along little boy

[turbid shoal]

imagine not going into any of the points the other party makes. he fully ignored my comment either and tends to do so every time someone makes a good argument.

[static rapids]

little kids get focussed on one thing in particular and run with it, it's too focused on me right now to create a normal human conversation or bring up anything relevant

[lucid kayak]

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[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

we're asking you to form a proper sentance with actual information in them, not you crying a bout the best rogue streamer in discussion tab

once more its you're

[jagged ruin]

southside rats bmun runs the show northside on top

[static rapids]

English would be sweet but hey do you

[turbid shoal]

The message underneath this does show that this is probably a kid indeed. still ignoring my arguments cause he cant think of any counterarguments. anyways it is quite entertaining seeing a child struggle with having a discussion and trying to not try to resort to namecalling.

[static rapids]

or trying to compare "bands" LOL

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

recycling jokes that were told only 10 minutes ago, very intelligent repsonse, love to see it. Congratulations they made nerfs to multiple MC perks and skills because of multiple reasons not just rogues lmfao

[turbid shoal]

I think we already agreed on the fact that anything with the argument but in mc it was OP is useless? the devs said it was unbalanced and they are gonna remove it. i dont understand what is so difficult to realise that.

[jagged ruin]

Ah, the irony of someone accusing others of being a kid while throwing a tantrum like a toddler denied their favorite toy. It's adorable how you cling to your delusions of intellectual superiority while failing to produce a single cogent point. Keep basking in the glow of your self-righteousness, maybe one day you'll realize that maturity goes beyond age. But until then, enjoy the view from your high horse.

[static rapids]

@jagged ruin you come in here just to hear yourself talk? you have anything to add about MC? If not why are you even talking right now goofball lmfao

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

you're*

3rd time in a row now, I can see you did not pass English class

[lucid kayak]

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[turbid shoal]

Lmao thats funny. Just scroll up a bit and you do see me making arguments for what i think is the reason that rogue is fine as a more rat like playstyle and undertuned. so before saying things like that you should probably start by looking into the discussion/argument were having first before joining in.

[static rapids]

I'm trying to help you out young man, I know how to speak and type and write because when I went to school I was learning. Which would be helpful for you in bringing up relevant points to the discussion but you clearely missed that day

you brought up one single streamer taht does a nbuild every single person including yourself could run, and now you're in here crying about how busted it is

[lucid kayak]

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[jagged ruin]

ah, the classic "I made valid points earlier" defense. It's cute how you try to assert your intellectual dominance by pointing out past arguments while failing to contribute anything meaningful in the present. Keep clinging to the remnants of your fleeting relevance, maybe one day you'll realize that actions speak louder than words. But until then, enjoy your solo performance in the theater of delusion.

[turbid shoal]

I cant say youre right if you didnt make any points or went in against any of my arguments. but next time im sure you can think of a lot more arguments and i might agree with you. have a good rest of your day!

[static rapids]

see you keep talkingout of your ass and not saying a single thing pertaining to MC and how busted it is, I understand you aren't educated but at least have some common sense lmfao

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

"repoze runs this crazy build, nerf rogues now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

"these dudes are runnning builds everyone can run and it's so busted!!!! get them out of here!!!!!"

[turbid shoal]

What you want me to copy paste the same arguments that i made earlier in chat every time i type in a response? if so then sure you got me good job i didnt bother to copy paste my above points and arguments in every response even though ßublic never bothered to respond to them anyways

[jagged ruin]

i aint reading allat

[static rapids]

I'm not going to look at 1 persons stream and act like thats the entire player base, that in itself is stupid

[jagged ruin]

show me a stack rn

[turbid shoal]

thats fine that says enough. have a good day friend

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

you're clearly on the smaller side of IQ's so I'm gonna call it here have a good one 12 year old who doesn't understand anything

[lucid kayak]

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[static rapids]

stand on business dudes literally pullin gout shit he heard on tiktok talking about shit LOL what an actual fucking child

[jagged ruin]

mog off rn

[static rapids]

keep promoting that dog shit youtube dog, maybe one day it'll take off. (it won't)

[limber atlas]

jesus yall rly got shit lives to be arguing over nonsense

[jagged ruin]

ooo look guys the saint has arrived

[lucid kayak]

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[limber atlas]

someones gotta tell the children to behave

[frosty breach]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

[limber atlas]

revealing my identity? you know that's against discord tos right. howd u even get that info anyways

[jagged ruin]

maybe don't include it in your twitch about me if you don't want your identity being revealed!?!?

[stoic solar]

remove multiclass already

[limber atlas]

so because its on twitch its okay to break discord tos

[lucid kayak]

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[crisp whale]

Do you not consider sharing that information on a public platform that you have linked to discord as consent?

It’s different to find identifiable information unrelated to your discord account and share that

[limber atlas]

It's not different. It's still breaking the rules. I've changed my profile though. Didnt think this sorta thing would happen tbh

ig ppl get rly bitter when u point out theyve been no-lifelessly arguing nonsense

[mellow mortar]

This games playerbase is an endless sea of pure directionless anger lol.
Its better to just avoid interacting with them at this point

[limber atlas]

I do for the most part but I can't help but troll a lil bit sometimes

[turbid shoal]

Cant disagree to this. altough there are some nice ppl around too

[earnest drift]

multiclass ending today?

[sinful gull]

I want to encourage everyone to try spear bard with allegro before multiclass ends, ideally with jokester/savage .. just trust me on this one guys.

[woeful plume]

I'm beginning to think that gear based MM isn't the way to go. The same with AP MM, it just doesn't address the issues. PvE players want to dungeon crawl without being molested. Those who suck at PvP, like me, want to continue to try to PvP, but with people in the same skill bracket. PvP players want to play with other PvP players and test their skills. "Match Making" should be done based on a player kill score, so if your score is low or...none, you will be grouped with others that have the similar score. If your score is high from many pvp kills, you will be grouped with other players of the similar score. Just some stuff I was pondering.

[zinc tiger]

4 days

[limber atlas]

just saw a "bard" with absolutely 0 bard abilities or perks. god i love multiclassing lol

[peak crypt]

There are no matchmaking algorithms or solutions that will work well with 10-20k (global) players.

[wind venture]

can't wait for the next update this week, multi-class gone, back to normal.

[south lava]

Patch when

[sick depot]

Today in 1 hour

[long ivy]

day 4 of farming dark enchanted fabric 2/3 316 skelly mages killed >.<

[slender kite]

I agree, but the problem with kill ratio type matchmaking is there will always be super sweat nerds that make a character, and then just sand bag their score so they can play against Timmys

[supple pier]

wtf, i get it all the time and just leave it

how are you this cosmically unlucky???

[sinful gull]

yeah I think the best system is no mm at all. All systems have downsides, lets go with the one with shortest que time. Back in the day when I started during the playtests I was terrible and my survival rate slowly improved, it felt like I got promoted from rat to weasel to semichad, with skill based mm I hit the threshold and immediately felt like I was punished for getting better. GBMM doesnt work with the random rolls currently on items, and increases que times plus menu times. No MM is the way!

[supple pier]

yeah this def would work surpisingly well

[long ivy]

i once went dry on a 1/20,000 drop rate i finally got it at 211,516 on osrs

[supple pier]

okay but thats just RuneScape hell lol

[slender kite]

I disagree with that as well. Plenty of games create decent matchmaking systems. The key is having them pull various data points and keeping those points somewhat secretive to prevent (or at least mitigate) gaming the system. The problem with No MM is this game isn't balanced. A person with a 10k kit is always going to slaughter someone with a more budget build. Not everyone wants to farm expensive gear just to play

[supple pier]

Dead By Daylight used to have a system that was effectively just, if you played more often, you got matched with people who also played more often.
It worked alright for many years lol

[sinful gull]

ok name 1 game without long quetimes and a playerbase below 10k that does that. Oh .. that has 3 or more maps, 3que types (solo/2s/3s) and 8-18 players per game. There is normals, your point doesnt hold water and "Highroller" should involve taking a risk, I was fine with that as a beginner. With the current economy none of the things you describe would be an issue. you can build a kit in normals that can kill 70% of players in hr, the idea to get matched with people exactly on your level is not working for DaD.

[sinful gull]

Sure for NA, but try that in OCE ... we currently have 2 groups based on gear and both hr ques suffer, even in popular regions. If we have 2 groups based on playtime imagine how terrible w8ting time for new players is.

[slender kite]

Well this is why DnD won't survive. Let's be real here. It's fun, but the combat is hardly deep and the skill ceiling isn't super high. Gear will prevail for the majority of players over time. Without legitimate matchmaking, this game is never going to take off. That's just reality. You may not like that reality, but it doesn't change it. The studio keeps swinging and missing. First with MC, then with the failure to implement legitimate solo queues for all dungeons simultaneously. It's not in a great state, and that's just the reality.

[sinful gull]

You better be on the leaderboards if you say skill ceiling is low.. I think most of the community is pushing for less gear difference, im very optimistic they will further reduce it soon. It did infact allready take off, the hype died for marketing and legal reasons. Yeah IM is certainly not doing everything perfect right now but compare this to tarkov 1.5 years in they had much to climb still at that point.

[supple pier]

doing it group based was always a terrible decision, but easier to code/ for servers
the best solution is for the margins to slowly open and make the matchmaking have a wider pool as the queue gets longer and longer

[slender kite]

I'm definitely not a sweat in this game. I think that's another HUGE problem for DnD. It's not remotely casual friendly. Sure, you have matches where you have good fights against reasonable people. However, there are tons of examples where you just get steam rolled by a super sweat in BIS gear. Maybe OCE is different, but let's not use a low pop server to benchmark.

[sinful gull]

I wont argue that it can be optimized in that way. But no MM at least for right now will probably come or maybe just a extremely loose version of what you describe, sdf isnt happy with que times right now.

[slender kite]

Comparing this game to Tarkov always makes me laugh. Sure, Nikita and BSG are the scummiest people on earth, however, it's miles ahead of any extraction shooter out there (and likely going to be for the foreseeable future).

[sinful gull]

Yeah it is 7-8 years in the making and peaked 5 years after start. You wanna say its over for IM, we dont even know the legal ongoings in korea, they just started hiring now.

[slender kite]

I hope it's not over. I've enjoyed the game. It's just very shallow and I don't see it hanging on with the extremely low player count. Even at it's worst, Tarkov had significantly higher numbers.

[sinful gull]

ive played tarkov in the early years, the graphics were worse than Dark and Darker there was I think 3 maps, nonstop crashes. Netcode was allways horrendeous still is. Theyve come a long way, these games take time. And tarkov survived on a much lower playercount until twitch drops started.

[maiden cove]

I literally started playing this game over tarkov because it was so much more casual friendly

[sinful gull]

when did you start? was normals allready without gear?

[cold wharf]

So ummm massive question do we get our gold back from the mindwipe since muliclass will be gone soon?

[slender kite]

No, why would we get the gold back? Don't get me wrong, I'm a broke casual and that gold loss was rough experimenting, but that said, I still used the MC feature while it was around.

[sinful gull]

I would be the richest man in DaD if we did i rerolled on my fighter 16 times yesterday...

[pliant kite]

Why would you even get it back

[long ivy]

can you get supplied white items for cloth and leather like you can for armour?

[cold wharf]

Cause it’s like over 10k gold I wasted rerolling perks so now the option is gone is wasted on nothing?

[plucky arrow]

Anyone have a sound or video file of the Nightmare goblin screaming? Or how i can extract it from among the game files

[pliant kite]

So let me get this right. You think that just because you spent 10k rerolling, you should get it back?

[broken nova]

can someone help me? im just joining lobbies and theres no players, what should i do? like 4 or 5 games in a row getting no team or just 1

[merry nest]

lol ive dropped about 100k into rerolling so far

[fresh plinth]

what is the player count on Ice Caverns? I understand goblin caverns to be 11. but could not find a google result for Ice Cavern player count (Solo dungeon)

[merry nest]

i think its the same not 100% tho

[fresh plinth]

Nice, I finally got 2 extractions yesterday in Goblin Caverns... can buy pots now!! 😄

[merry nest]

u can farm pots and stuff by breaking pots everygame, usually get quite a few

[fresh plinth]

Ah yes, just watch out for traps!! 😄 I found some good secret doors that way, hope to get more Health pots though

[gritty flume]

months of ice caves and skeleton stab tracking still isn't fixed, maybe make the sword 3 feet wide visually if that's what its hitbox is? That'd be dope thanks

[fringe crag]

it's a very annoying mob for me since not only is the hitbox wider than the sword used but the length is also janky

[sinful gull]

Yeah same, ive been going for some wild builds... Im saving my money from now on, just using my most op builds. Since everybody runs insane dps, I just use phantomize on a poison ranger/wizard and thats keeping me happy, and dagger barb. Spear Bard ive tried for the first time today and its kind of wild too with allegro.

[maiden cove]

Yep. Normals without gear. Started like middle of last season.

[karmic echo]

What day are they getting rid of multi class ?

[merry nest]

should be on the 10th i think

[polar talon]

yeah probably friday for the week end

[paper mulch]

They haven't given an exact day, but sometime this week

[cold wharf]

If a feature is removed right and you wasted money rerolling to make a perfect build so the game is actually playable to compete in high roller now this feature that is being removed and money is dumped on a item that no longer exists well I guess it had been done on other games but you keep the reward in this case you keep nothing

[pliant kite]

This is a pretty good reason
the other one was ass

[cold wharf]

At least let us keep a reward you know maybe a emote or something small you know exclusive to muliclass since it’s gone

[woeful plume]

They made it pretty clear that MC was only going to go another week, if you spent gold rerolling, knowing that MC was history, that's kind of on you.

[cold wharf]

If they made it clear it was going to be wiped in a week and leave that 500g mind wipe its on them

[woeful plume]

What will we do?
Since we feel that the current implementation is counter to our vision going forward, we plan to remove multiclassing. However, for one week, as a final farewell to this system we will remove the timer restrictions on mindwipes so players can create their wildest creations for a limited time.

After the week, we will completely remove the multiclass system and return to our original class system. We are working on ideas for a newer class progression system and will announce details once we have something more concrete to share. At least for now, we’ll have the traditional class system until the next season. Thank you.

[cold wharf]

FINAL FAREWELL you are removing everything and giving nothing in return

[crisp whale]

Ok bye

[cold wharf]

I just was a little reward to all the players that experienced it gold is easy to make back

[cold wharf]

I’m pretty such you read that wrong

I wonder how the levels will go since it will be gone now cause there’s no point going over level 15

[crisp whale]

I am guessing. The over leveling will still pertain to multiclassing. Obviously not currently anymore

[cold wharf]

You think we will still be over level 20? Or nah

[crisp whale]

Reason being is they have talked about wanting to implement a skill tree for multiclassing. In my head once you hit 20 you can select other classes and the mor levels you get in that secondary class you will start unlocking more features

[long ivy]

they should just allow perks not skills to be cross classed

[cold wharf]

Big no I can make some broken combos if anything I say 1 perk only or ability

[crisp whale]

I say yes and no. It would be cool if only certain perks and certain skills were in multi classes

[elfin fern]

on the one hand, i like this suggestion, on the other, it means pve players essentially can stick to that and get free loot with no risk

if they go this route, your probability for hard pve monsters should increase more and more, and ai should be improved

[sick depot]

Skill tree for strong class/subclass identity sounds way more engaging long term

[crisp whale]

Agreed. I think they did this choose 3 method as just testing

[cold wharf]

But it’s ok you know I bet the devs are doing the best they can a lot of devs don’t even listen to their players so let’s appreciate them you know

[sick depot]

Yeah I think they knew their implementation of MC wasn’t viable long term. Just wish they focused more on testing embracing class identity not trying to dilute it

[crisp whale]

Oh yea especially with the new marketing hires the communication from the devs has been amazing

[cold wharf]

I kinda new muliclass was going to be a fail I know baulder gate 3 is no where the same as dark and darker but you can make some insane muliclass builds there

[shrewd beacon]

When is it being removed

[cold wharf]

End of this week or sooner

[shrewd beacon]

Meh, i want it gone now haha i want to start playing again but im way behind cant even build half of these multiclasses

[cold wharf]

Barb is going to be back on top of the chain

[woeful plume]

That's true, PvE players could do that, but so what? It's their game to be played how they want to play it, same with PvP players. Everyone plays the game a little different according to what makes their dopamine levels rise. I like the idea of harder AI, but we kind of have that already, maybe another level or two wouldn't hurt though.

[cold wharf]

If they do add PvE and PvP they should not allow loot from PVE to enter PVP

[sick depot]

Despite the jokes about PvE enjoyers (which I myself have made), I think a true PvE map would be potentially very healthy for the game. Would need to have difficulty scaling way past what we see currently with PvE and have the option to last fairly long with potentially multiple bosses/sub bosses.

Obviously such a map wouldn’t have PvP enabled and could potentially see party sizes much larger than 3. Just some thoughts

[woeful plume]

Yes, if they seperate them, they have to stay that way. Can't have PvE people corrupting PvP players with easy gotten booty.

[sick depot]

This is only a problem if you make such “booty” easily gotten. Best case scenario is loot acquired in any dungeon and be used in any dungeon.

[woeful plume]

Much like now, you can't take rainbow gear into normal lobbies. With separate maps for PvE and PvP you can't take gear with you from one to the other.

[sick depot]

Normals is a joke in of itself, but I see your point. My point is simply that if they make a PvE map/mode it’s driving appeal should not be that it’s “easy” and extracting/surviving or going deeper is a challenge even for good players.

Which is all easy to say for a non game dev typing on discord lol. But in a perfect world that’s how I’d imagine it.

[woeful plume]

Right, it still has to maintain some sort of challenge, goals, quests or some such to stay relevant. Personally, I think having the option to PvE or PvP would attract a LOT of people to the game...I have nothing to back that up other than 34 years of PC gaming experience. Call it an educated hunch. lol

[elfin fern]

Normals is a joke in of itself

why?

[crisp whale]

In my head, pve players are looking for an mmo experience while pvp players are looking for a battle royale/arena style game. There’s a lot the devs could do with this game and it’ll be interesting to see where it lands

[sick depot]

Here’s the problem for normals for me. I can play normals and have fun when I’m not trying to sweat HR, find a few greens, maybe a blue here and there and go to hell clear it and get some solid gold/levels, but I never feel any sense of progress. Since I’m always just vendoring the greens/blues because I can’t use them in normals and they’re too bad for HR. Usually just leads me to playing HR zero-hero instead. Plus there’s the problem of PvP being fun in normals (cause gear dif is pretty much nonexistent) but not rewarding because you are solely taking meds/sellables off of people, never really gear.

[sick depot]

I agree, and while I don’t have 34 years of experience I’ll defer to yours.

[cosmic saffron]

This becomes a nonissue if they lower the power of gear across the board and make the game more skill oriented. Gear gap should still exist it just shouldn’t mean you see an enemy team and instantly lose because they significantly out gear you

[marble wharf]

anyone know when the game is wiping?

[cosmic saffron]

Roughly a month and a half to a month from now. 3 months since last wipe

[marble wharf]

oh so the game is not wiping with the removal of multiclass?

[teal spade]

I only just got into this game yesterday whats the meta currently? I have no idea what's changes from the super early beta tests

[vapid arch]

no wipe is in june

[formal moon]

Meta is MC rn. But it's gone in a week. So just level up and try to live

[sinful gull]

When the MC removal patch drops the market will crash so hard. Ive got like 10 bows on my barb...

the dagger prices will be unreal

[cosmic saffron]

Survival bow hoarders in shambles

[sinful gull]

oh yeah.. ill be ready to stock up on survbows on my ranger.

[cosmic saffron]

Now all the yappers who were crutching robust/ironwill to win fights will suffer at the hands of casters once again

[left smelt]

will there be a wipe at the end of multiclass era?

[cosmic saffron]

No

[sinful gull]

yeah especially on crypts.. wiz will make a comeback

[cosmic saffron]

Warlock/druid is going to be the premiere antibuffball when it comes out

[minor prairie]

druid tangle while warlock spell predates the whole team

[cosmic saffron]

Exactly this

[zinc totem]

game seeems extra dead around now. Cant seem to get high gear matches with more than 1 person rn. And of course they are ranger with survival bow

[minor prairie]

then tangle again and warlock 10 stack meme beam with 40+ will and true stack

[cosmic saffron]

Fighters might have to consider breakthrough

[minor prairie]

or even a hellfire would kill the whole team

[teal spade]

I didn't even think multiclassing was a thing still i thought it was gone. I don't think I've been able to try it unless I'm bad at menu nav

[sudden aspen]

It is meta but it’s not impossible to play without it on most classes

Pretty much any non-caster class is still very viable without mc

[rustic dawn]

3 more days until I can play this game again and get back to complaining about solo cleric

[merry nest]

I just hope population increases or they change this map rotation, tired of getting dead lobbies

[rustic dawn]

Why would they change map rotation when they literally just did to accommodate mass players asking for map rotation?

[merry nest]

cause the lobbies are dead

[rustic dawn]

What server are you playing?

[merry nest]

East

[rustic dawn]

It's 4pm on a Monday EST

Have you tried getting a job?

Can you tell me the in game player count from the menu?

[elder apex]

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[sonic scaffold]

Can you please make it auto select the map based on your party size because its fucking annoying having to constantly reselect the map

[merry nest]

right lol

[mental mauve]

how can iplay druid?

[uneven sluice]

Is there a problem with keybinding that reset itself or is it just me ?

[visual quail]

Good, all the dorks who rerolled to fighter will go back to their main class now

[merry nest]

i have never had that happen but it sounds like your config might be set to read only id check

[uneven sluice]

Oh thats very likely that would explain it ! I'll check it !

[inner crescent]

Shared storage (3x5) would be awesome along with Shared Quests across all characters. Requiring a second party to trade between chars is a huge whiff imo. Also, with as many class balance updates as we have we shouldnt have to deal with a class nerf pushing us off our favorite classes and then have to restart our quests entirely. If there was any sort of class balance it would be one thing but every class is subject to whimsical nerfs and buffs all the time.

[elder epoch]

Does dual wield effect two-handed weapons? Or just two one handed weapons?

[manic bloom]

is the highroller shit any better or is it still immpossible unless you are fully optimized

[stuck galleon]

please keep multiclassing til the end of the season iron mace

[woeful plume]

HR can be done with squire provided gear and some patience. lol

[spark shale]

Well, u can't dual wield two handed weapons lol

[scenic hornet]

What do you mean

[twilit dragon]

Tavern the new Anticheat system?

[errant coyote]

Right now, only on the test server. If you have the supporter bundle you can access that. If not, just gotta wait for it to come to live

[plucky arrow]

Kinda sad people bullied the game to remove multiclassing even tho it was the most anticipated feature since the start... It really is a shame because we could've just enjoyed that we can freely try builds while they figure out how to balance it. Instead people cried about trivial reasons. Hope if/when it comes back they'll have made it balanced around the new metas, however now they wont have as much data to base its development on... so rip i guess, it could've gotten really good if it was better recieved, just my opinion, no hate anywhere

[uneven sluice]

it did not work :c

[oak wadi]

is the multiclass over with or does it have a week left

[vapid arch]

its getting removed this week

[limber atlas]

the real reason ppl are upset is bcuz of the massive imbalance that it caused in its current form. they also admitted that this was a very early version and that changes would come. if its negatively impacting the overall health of the game then it is necessary to be removed until its problems r figured out

[scenic hornet]

100% agree

[jade stump]

im new, wat is mc?

[scenic hornet]

A feature that allow to mix classes to increase build possibilities but ppl cried a lot so it leaves the game this week

[jade stump]

ty

[dire cedar]

Womp womp that sht sucked

[sonic scaffold]

yeah but with squire gear you're still gonna go against bis purple geared guys

[woeful plume]

Yep, but the OP didn't specify, sounded like he was asking about the PvE to me.

[restive frost]

do arrows count to gearscore

[jaunty topaz]

Anything classified as an 'invalid' slot type such as arrows, bolts, coin bags, etc do not count towards gear score.

[vestal falcon]

anyone else running into more cheaters last week or so?

[scenic hornet]

Vanilla classes suck

[shy rivet]

without multiclass the game will die and they know that but to work on it they need to remove it

[soft pumice]

are any more quests coming out this season or have we got all of them?

[nimble magnet]

GAME CRASHED AAAAHHH

[zenith lynx]

sprint has a 28 cd and because its cd is ticking while its in use it only has a cd of 22 seconds. No skill should give 50 agility of move speed. only other skill in the game that gives as much stats as sprint is soul collecter. please nerf sprint.

[bleak sorrel]

debatable

[lethal flicker]

does quick reload work on crossbows?

[eternal wedge]

what affects spell recovery bonus?

[tardy sandal]

Knowledge

[dire cedar]

Womp Womp majority rules and majority thinks otherwise

[lucid coral]

Is anyone else having issues where the game launches and then just stops?

I haven't been able to play since the last 8 patches

[scenic wren]

Trying verifying game files or updating drivers. Probably something missing

[lucid coral]

This isn't steam idk how To do that

[scenic wren]

Click on the gear next to the play button

[lucid coral]

You mean you want me to scan and repair I've already done that sixty times

[lucid coral]

It doesn't work

[scenic wren]

IDK. Do you get any errors? Or does it just launch and then close with no info?

[lucid coral]

Just launches and closes

Black screen and then it quits

[stuck galleon]

please keep multiclassing til the end of the wipe

[lucid coral]

I'm trying to reinstall the game

[scenic wren]

Yeah, I'd try a fresh install of the game and the client tbh. Could be a broken client not properly authenticating or something

[high sapphire]

back attack works on ranged weapons right?

[limber atlas]

is gbmm still a thing right now? and if so no its not cuz how in base set am i matching with someone in a FULL blue set

[astral charm]

full blue set is 216 gearscore low bracket is 299max

[limber atlas]

that doesnt rly seem fair. why is there not an even lower bracket for those wearing next to nothing?? wahts the point of gbmm if the bar is so high

[astral charm]

ask ironmace

[vast kayak]

normals, easy

[astral charm]

well you still wont have to face unique items hitting for 200 damage

[limber atlas]

that's nice and all but it feels rly abusable.

[small marsh]

It's called Normals, though I see your point and generally agree

[tardy sandal]

You can run named items whilst still wearing a set of green and blues

[small marsh]

I'm not excited for a pretty boring rest of the wipe, tbh

I'm hoping they keep the XP gain high after they remove MC, the six hour grind to level 20 was beyond exhausting early on

[high sapphire]

i just hope they rework it and bring it back soon. people are gonna be screaming its stale after it goes away i know it

[lucid coral]

Still the same problem dude

[small marsh]

I don't envy any dev these days - people fucking cry over stupid shit

[lucid coral]

Is anyone else having issues where the game launches and then just stops?

[vernal grail]

Anyone knownif the playtest server is still up and if it's more stable? Trying to just play more druid while I have the chance.

[high sapphire]

i mean i thoought there would be some more perk balancing with multiclassing but they didnt even try if feels like

[covert pilot]

multiclassing has crashed the game like 3k ppl on tonight instead of the normal 7-10k

[solemn oar]

Remove tavern.exe shit just epxloded my entire pc

stupid ass anticheat shit dont work

[cunning summit]

yeah there's this weird bug where when i log in and go into game i instantly hit alt+F4 to save myself some time

[solemn oar]

fr yo they just stealing all my assets

[chrome elk]

can you kill yourself with dark offering? if so will immortal lament save you ?

[solid hearth]

wow the srver is lagging

[limber flame]

@polar bison ay bruh i wouldve gave it back xD

[neon widget]

LMAO

[woeful pine]

Did the viola surprise you?

[polar bison]

nah bro u fanum taxed me i wwas getting it back in blood

[limber flame]

you scared the shit out of me

I was like "yo wtf is all this glowing shit"

[polar bison]

u scared us bro wwe thought we were in a empty lobby

[limber flame]

ran me down with 5 named weapons, i am just a lowly pickpocket

[neon widget]

sorry!

[limber flame]

its ok, i did steal ur pots

fanum tax is crazy btw xD

[fallen glade]

How many up/down votes for dark colored names?

[polar bison]

1 gajillion

[maiden bough]

multiclass cant go away soon enough

[solar marsh]

Any tips for trios? Feel like me and my team just keep getting ran through time and time again. Trying different builds, different classes, putting on good gear. Either above 299 is absolute BIS full gold, or under 299 people with 8k min maxed kits.

[undone belfry]

HR is garbage right now, I would just run normals and work on teamwork

[maiden bough]

yeah its really sad to lose mass fighter/barbarians with iron will, sprint, savage roar, weapon mastery, and robust over and over. and rogues with shadow touch, smite, and every other damage perk modifier. multiclass literally feels like there is less character diversity not more. i see the same 2-3 builds over and over.

[jagged cape]

holy fkin hll FIX THE MUMMY SPIDERS either make em have a flat top or instantly slide off not BOUNCE AROUND BUGGED OUT ON TOP OF THEM ???????

[outer ridge]

any idea why my game wont open? i hit play and it says playing but after a bit nothing happens and it goes back to play , ive repaired and reinstalled

[wet leaf]

The recovery time when blocking with a shield is too long, and the recovery time of a weapon when you get blocked by a shield is a little too fast. Makes shield mostly useless in PvP

[strange birch]

is there any way to get learning tokens back? my RNG gave me passives for abilities i didnt get

[jagged cape]

creep is trash for this

and all the cheaters

[fringe condor]

Hi guys, anyone got knowledge about LUCK? i mean im running luck gear for a while and seems ill get almost the same items like when i dont run luck? only affects on kills or also on chest opening or pile looting?

[jagged cape]

and multiclasses, bout 50% of the devs choices

no real anti cheat sckzzzzz

[summer garnet]

The game isn’t lagging but my character stutters anyone else?

[stable echo]

another thing why sprint is broken when you are swinging weapons or doing an interacting in the game that slows you down all other move speed increases give less since its based off a % of your movespeed but sprint gives you 50 flat so you can still charge someone while swinging a weapon

[sinful gull]

Yeah, im with you especially with creep. I hope they revert creep changes until next wipe they said "...This was also the reason why we implemented several “rat-play” mechanics to test the viability of solo players in party lobbies...", that makes me hopeful that they wanna take creep out, unless they actually remove solo, which would kill the game for most people anyway. Cheaters are not a serious problem yet, thats for steam release.

[junior copper]

wish they would just take multiclass out now ....

[wet leaf]

A bard in-game told me once luck was a scam, with around 450 luck he'd still get the same average loot, i stopped buyin luck pots.

[brisk lava]

It's not a scam it just doesn't increase percentages the way people think

[gritty cloud]

Hey all is there a res shrine in goblin caves for duo?

[brisk lava]

theres 1 i know of but it can spawn any shrine from rng..at the goblin mage in jails

and i believe the north room north of it

[static rapids]

I don’t know the comp but realistically, avoid narrow hallways or doors to fight, keep good spacing, if you have range, keep the altercation ranged as long as possible, always make sure you and the boys have an exit plan, if there’s a cleric try and bust him up first, callouts need to be on point so everyone knows what’s up. Just mostly simple shit and small mechanic stuff that get a lot of people killed. I definitely watch my gear score as well, my boys and I can easily compete on the 299 and lower but we get shit stomped on bis lobby. It takes a while to get good with your trio too learning play styles and how your buddys fight. There’s a lot that goes into it man, just keep talking through any issues you guys see with each other and it should improve

[static rapids]

Go to the fortune teller and the middle tab up top on her allows to mind wipe for 500

[static rapids]

Seen a couple, prison room on the bottom and the middle room underneath that has both those centipedes, with the 4 drop floors

[gusty narwhal]

How much gold would you consider to be the minimum for a wizard to buy a low bracket HR gear, every time I try to buy a gear set and get into HR has a wizard I get destroyed

[ashen willow]

after MC is done they need to make rage increase your MS cap for those few seconds or it is completely useless. and still even then the pdr debuf needs reduction. Rangers run at 330 ms and barbs can't use their mobility spell to chase anymore cause the cap is so low

[maiden nymph]

11 true dmg is a must have then enough knowledge to cast which depends what u multiclass but usually 43-45 and then hp/ms since in low bracket u re very limited
Price for my kits are 6-8k
And then u can deal 20dmg chain lightnings to whole team since everyone is running 150-200hp+mdr cap because calculating curve for mdr is just poorly made.

[gray remnant]

i wish they would leave it in and add 2 more perk slots 🙂

[junior copper]

Whatever they do they need to leave it be so we can just stay with it and get used to something ! Devs are doing great tho wish they’d change how ap works rather then more ap for maps it should be for the player modes.

[scenic hornet]

Luck def gets me better loot

[hollow wolf]

anyone need hoard loots/troll pelt/cyclops troll kills?

[cold dock]

nerf rogue buff wizard

[raven badger]

hey guys quick thought, why do all the weapons need to scale from strength or phys power?, some could scale a portion of their dmg from other sources, what do you guys think?

[cosmic lava]

like it wasn't just slayer fighters, barbs, and rangers 24/7 before MC

You still see "the same things" over and over

[long compass]

Who played ranger

Before was more diversity

[scenic hornet]

Agreed but devs went the lazy way, basic classes are so meh lol

[dim cedar]

As i read it seems multi classing wil be taken out so I am definitely wasting time leveling oth er characters then. IM glad i poked around and read the discord

[turbid shoal]

you have 2-3 days to enjoy mc or you can wait it out if you dont wanna be stomped by not using it if you dont have acces to it and dont want to spend the time

[dim cedar]

Ya I am definitely being stomped. steep learning curve for sure

[quick fern]

you should learn all the classes either way

[dim cedar]

I can agree with that

[worthy cradle]

Anticheat is working fine, haters will say it's fake

[cosmic lava]

Didn't even think it had one

[worthy cradle]

well, start thinking

[cosmic lava]

believe it when i see it

[worthy cradle]

Same way i feel about helium

[cosmic lava]

never seen helium huh?

Weird

[worthy cradle]

With god, it's the opposite
I see it when i believe it

[cosmic lava]

which one?

[worthy cradle]

you know

[cosmic lava]

marduk?

[worthy cradle]

sure, that one

[cosmic lava]

you don't know?

one's as good as the next I guess

[worthy cradle]

The whole "If you aren't religious, where do you get your morals from?" argument is wild to me

Have you no agency?

[turbid shoal]

I mean its kinda up to your parents school etc, to make sure you get those.

[worthy cradle]

My priest says let god sort it out

seems a lot easier

[turbid shoal]

It sure does seem that way

[sturdy dagger]

What does this have to do with the game?

[rocky frigate]

it effects almost all looting (minus loot you get from static item spawns) any chest or pile has a higher chance of having higher quality loot the rolls are uneffected

[sturdy dagger]

I think it doesn't apply when you break a chest tho, or have they fixed that

[glass trellis]

why the gather halls so empty

[hollow wolf]

anyone need hoard loots/cyclops +/- troll kills?

[worthy cradle]

They say struggle builds character, but I've had a pretty easy life.
Was I cheated?

Am i running a subpar build rn?

[south lava]

yeah im gunna need that multiclassing taken out thanks

[fathom bison]

Are they taking multiclassing out?

[hard rock]

The game is not dead if you are trying to imply that

[hollow spindle]

bounty hunter eh?

[keen pivot]

I would rather see 1 of each same "meta build" per class than 2-3 meta builds for everyone. you can argue "its still the same" but its "more of the different same" which wins 10/10 times for me personally. it was exhausting hearing every single player barbarian shout when engaging (you know, with the exception of firestaff bonk wizard/warlock/cleric)

[pseudo coyote]

With the experiment of multiclassing, if they do a skill tree I would like to see a general branch that would give movement type unlocks (double jump, back step, etc).

[remote acorn]

How did multiclassing work? I was in boot camp for the Airforce for the last 2 months

[brisk sundial]

i keep getting error 16. what can i do to fix?

[woeful plume]

It was interesting, but ultimately a failed experiment.

And thank you for your service.

[acoustic moat]

solos is actually cancer with the tamers

[gritty breach]

is multi classing over yet?

[signal ibex]

Friday ftw

[chilly mortar]

who are the taming?

[radiant wave]

Any word on when Druid is going live?

[limber verge]

People just don't typically use them

[undone belfry]

just got ban report for NoSkillBruv.... be nice if they got his other accounts

[velvet shard]

Proof?

I’d just love to see it

[undone belfry]

ill PM you

[hollow wolf]

anyone need hoard loots/cyclops +/- troll kills?

[tranquil sierra]

does anyone else just keep getting the server disconnect crash at character select

[high hemlock]

hi

I want to log in but they send me a code with letters and numbers and the launcher only lets me write numbers, what do I do?

[normal ocean]

I really don't get the games pvp

The time to kill for my opponents is like, 2 swings but anytime I get anywhere close to hitting someone its like. 4

Is there any resources to actually be able to pvp because I'm sick of having to avoid every encounter vs players

[outer ridge]

Wait a week for multi class to go away and you’ll be fine

[undone belfry]

Headshots also matter

[near jackal]

going away?

[outer ridge]

? Ya go read the announcements lol

[normal ocean]

Ya idm about multiclass I recognize its issues etc

Like I've played since the start of the game so I know the simplest fundamentals of headshotting and general pathing

I dunno I just feel like I don't do enough damage

(I also don't know why I have the barb icon for my profile cus I don't play barb lmao must've done ages ago)

I also constantly feel slower than other players too oddly.

[outer ridge]

I mean multi class is why you’re getting 2 shot by everybody, ignoring mc , I’d just stay away from HR , with the way they’ve changed it to GBMM it’s not really possible to zero to hero like you could before , you need a functional kit or you’ll just get rolled over ,

It’s the game not you , don’t beat your self up too much 😂

[normal ocean]

Fair enough man. Still I know I need practice as well, that much I can feel with the mistakes I make as well

In general, is it better at the current point of the game to prioritize heavier armor, movespeed, or a balance between in uh, non HR

That's a good question I'd wager.

[wind venture]

So I'm barely in the HR 300+ Prob because of the meds, and I get these guys.
https://imgur.com/khkAPb2
https://imgur.com/YB27l5y

I hate GBMM, you might be 320-350, but you go up against 600+ scores

[outer ridge]

lmfaoo

[static rapids]

Do you want a link to input your gear for your score?

But yeah if you got on a lot of blues and bring more than like 6 pots and 6 bandies it’s a dub

[wind venture]

@static rapidsSure, though I noticed a lot of websites when I put gear on thats 290 I still get into the high HR

[cosmic saffron]

Me and the boys rolling up to take your random roll purples

[static rapids]

This specific link myself and my boys use and we get the correct lobbies every time

[wind venture]

@static rapidsits requestion access

[static rapids]

only because you most likely haven't ran that program before just gotta accept access. I know it seems sketch but ti's good. I'm not forcing youm just throwing that out there if youwanted to try

[trim otter]

Multiclass still a thing?

[outer ridge]

till thursday ish

[dense kelp]

anyone having issues with blacksmith launcher?

[small marsh]

Why does that make you hate GBMM?

You should love GBMM

[scenic hornet]

Just go 299...?

[formal moon]

ya, everyone knew gearscore was a bad idea and that IM would implement it poorly

[wind venture]

@scenic hornetalways bring out the calculator, 1 point over and you go up against 600+ gear score just unfair..?

[hexed quartz]

https://dd-gearscore-calculator.vercel.app/

[wind venture]

@small marshyou mean you cant play 300+ unless you got the most insane, legendary bis purple kit worth 20k cause someone else has it and ruins your day?

[light flume]

so where are all the players at??? multiple times in a row no players

[outer ridge]

Give barbs a weapon throw perk so they can throw their main hand weapon for its base weapon damage

[quick fern]

if they miss can i pick it up and take it

[outer ridge]

Yes

[dim cedar]

Is mining still worth it i have yet to do the quest. Have to go thru the trouble of bringing in an ax to mine with and then get out alive it seems nearly impossible as a solo? I heard they got rid of most spots?

[hexed quartz]

3 times in a row no players as enemy

[formal moon]

game is dead

[outer ridge]

Check ore prices , copper n sht is worth a lot you can mine in GC and just turn a light off sit in the dark by a static, solid cash

[formal moon]

copper is worth alot because no one is actually buying

[merry nest]

yeah even norms kinda dead

[dim cedar]

the GC is the only place to mine correct?

[formal moon]

you can also mine crypts

[outer ridge]

Nah there’s ore in crypts and inferno , it’s easy to get to inferno just do same strat , find a static red turn some lights off and wait, there’s a Couple of inferno layouts with gold and ruby

[hexed quartz]

pull back map rotation system

[dim cedar]

10-4 i still gotta go down there and figure out how to survive yet to go down there]

[merry nest]

i think the map rotation killed what population was left lol, ice caves/crypts gets like no players and GC even sometimes dead

[outer ridge]

Map rotation was needed for solos , should have left duos and trios alone

[formal moon]

classic IM trying to recover a previous fumble by fumbling again

[merry nest]

hopefully removal of mc makes pop surge a bit

i like MC but cant play the game with dead lobbies :[

[formal moon]

maybe, think game is kinda cooked with all these fumbles and flip flops on systems that have failed already

[static rapids]

Yeah only 2500 in game dungeon right now lmao

[merry nest]

i dont even believe that list cause the dead lobbies tell a diff story lmao

[formal moon]

this is what happens when you try to appeal to everyone

[static rapids]

That’s among all servers so I believe it

I’ve been getting 4 other teams in my games today for the most part

[formal moon]

yesterday was just a solo RPG experiance so i didn't feel like playing much today

better pve if that's all i'm getting in other games

[graceful trellis]

20k you can’t buy full bis purple)

[merry nest]

yeah half the games i got into had like 1-2 other people in it so i just stopped

[static rapids]

People are pissed they wasted time grinding characters they’re never going to play for this for it to be taken out in the middle of the season lol

[merry nest]

that does kinda suck cause levels dont mean shit without MC

[graceful trellis]

Much more people were pissed with multiclass itself

[static rapids]

Then why did the player base jump up 4K once it dropped and stayed that way until they said they were removing it?

[merry nest]

tbh pre MC was kinda trash cause some classes just suck to play without it

[formal moon]

MC just risks your gear and punishes you for having fun tbh

[graceful trellis]

Online went much worse after adding MC. Even before announce I had some empty goblin Lobbys

[formal moon]

Hopefully the actually learned something about the game with this experiment. Don't think they have enough good will for too many more

[merry nest]

i didnt have dead lobbies until the most recent update announcing removal of it

[graceful trellis]

I had after a week with mc

[static rapids]

I disagree entirely most the people I talked to in game (I’m in gathering hall a bunch) said they liked it, it just needed to be fine tuned. I had full lobby’s and had a bunch of fun until the removal announcement, but I can’t speak to your experience

[merry nest]

what server you play? on east coast i had full lobbies at all times of the day

[graceful trellis]

Frankfurt

[merry nest]

ah okay thats prob why

[static rapids]

Yeah that’s your problem right there lol

[merry nest]

i think east coast was most populated lol but its dead now

[formal moon]

bruh, lobbies have been dead for literally a month in high gear bracket

[static rapids]

And I get it’s tough to move to a different server with higher pop then you’re just lagging your balls off

[graceful trellis]

True that

[static rapids]

High gear bracket has been empty since they made the gear score a thing

[merry nest]

I think thats because GBMM split the HR lobbies

[earnest drift]

agree, but MC isn't the fix for that, just a temporary solution, this attempt to achieve a higher build diversity was terrible

[graceful trellis]

Not true it was full at some point

[static rapids]

In your server maybe

[formal moon]

up until the point the calculator got created tbh

[merry nest]

yeah people didnt wanna min max to play against other people in HR

[graceful trellis]

Nah, wouldn’t say so. I had it quite always full like two-three weeks ago

Mostly people with 10+ chests who didn’t bother wasting money

[formal moon]

I think i haven't seen a full lobby since the first 2-3 weeks of this patch

[earnest drift]

I wish the classes had more depth and more viable archetypes you could build around. This iteration of multiclass was indeed fun but totally non viable long term. Imagine adding a perk, or even a new class, everything needs to be designed with multiclass in mind and balanced around every permutation of perks/skills/gear. Removing it for now was the right thing to do

Divine protection was fine with it's previous values, but suddenly became a issue with other classes using it. It was nerfed bc of multiclass and now it's trash on it's original class

[velvet shard]

Change your server to something other than Brazil maybe

[formal moon]

forgot US is just brazil with a gucci belt

[dire sky]

Yo Is killing party members count to kill players quest?

[formal moon]

no

[rare hinge]

can anyone explain to me how the merchantrs work, I'm new to the game and don't fully understand them

[formal moon]

do quests with them so they sell better stuff and give you better gear for squire and sell stuff to them for gold

[rare hinge]

ok so quests are how to upgrade item deals

I thought so, but I couldn't find anything on youtube confirming

[covert sand]

I missed bi class how was it?

Everyone taking sprint on wtv they do?

[formal moon]

fun for no lifers annoying at best for everyone else

[covert sand]

Even as someone who just learn what happen and havent play more than 5 game i can see the issue and how to fix it <<

Only
Perk
Armor Skill
Weppon skill
Should be shared in the bi class

Spell should be lock to the class ur using

[formal moon]

nah, just make talents and delete MC

[covert sand]

idk for everyone else but my game have been loaded with fighter doing warcry
or barb using sprint
or bard using sprint

[dawn depot]

bring back ruins

[covert sand]

It a bit sad i think

[formal moon]

duh

[unreal obsidian]

give me an arena to 1v1 or 2v2.. arena mode would be sick

[covert sand]

Bi class spell is a failure i think until sprint is reworked into a singular charge that also put u at risk

[left smelt]

when do they remove MC? I would like to play (without MC what I mean) 😦

[covert sand]

what is mc?

[left smelt]

multiclassing

[scenic hornet]

In the plans I think

[dawn depot]

remove gear score so lobbies can be full again

[left smelt]

so timmies can be roflstomped again... maybe -15 and +15 lobbies would be a better way to divide playerbase

[merry nest]

i'd rather not play by myself lol

[dawn depot]

fr

[vestal falcon]

Where are the dead lobbies I need to grind some more AP

[uncut bobcat]

timmies need to stay in the reg dungeon, if youre gonna queue HR dont expect any sort of pandering, remove the GBMM.

[pure valve]

pve server would be great

[brisk lava]

factsde

yes lets split the queues even more

[nimble magnet]

Did they do something to the longsword? the parrys are like perfect now

like seriously, unless there was an issue recently.

[autumn cove]

HARPLOCK It was nice to meet you!

[formal moon]

max gear is dead af

[real talon]

anyone know when druid is dropping?

[knotty kernel]

timmies have normals, they don't need gearscore in HR

[formal moon]

a little before it releases and a little after it drops

Any gear score required a more sophisticated equation than a simple average to negate cheesing. The fact that it was so basic was destined to fail

[real talon]

imagine actually being witty lol

[rocky frigate]

this im seeing duo/trio teams in solo rotation preteaming in gc doing cyclops/troll its a mess

[formal moon]

i'm sorry

well pre teaming has never been easier with these empty lobbies

[hasty gazelle]

why does this game consistently stutter/lag/rubberband for me when my internet is more than quick enough to handle this game

[formal moon]

scuffed game

[abstract ingot]

is multi class gone yet

[static rapids]

no\

[dim blade]

IS IT ME OR ARE THE SERVERS DEAD AS HELL?

[static rapids]

on and off for me personally, just had back to back full lobbies

[formal moon]

less than 5k players for the world mate

[zinc tiger]

Common im w

[jaunty topaz]

Demigod is practically free rn because you can just queue Brazil servers at 3am and never find any other players lmao

[covert pilot]

game ded

[subtle heart]

Remove the gear score. West coast is dead if you have gear. Same with East.

duos at least

[vital scaffold]

no u

[winter pawn]

Do you have to install something new to play the game now?

[merry nest]

tavern anti cheat

[vagrant mantle]

should be by Friday, not soon enough

[full crag]

is it just me or is lag always atrocious on NA East

[drifting ice]

when will multiclassing be gone

[shut mantle]

i was just checking to see if multiclass was still a thing, i guess it is.

[subtle goblet]

How are you getting lag when only 10 people are playing the game. Man how bad are there servers lol

[full crag]

thats what im saying, on any other game's NA East server im like 10-20ms. DaD i will frequently get my home game frozen for multiple seconds. I know its not my computer cause NA West im chilling

[subtle goblet]

That one guy working on fake boner emote too hard

[lucid saffron]

Dude there are waaaaayyyy too many fucking mobs on ice caves

[fringe crag]

literally negative time to breathe

and then you get ganked by a player because 15 skeletons aggro you in one room

[wet leaf]

I like mob density in ICaves , i wish they'd revert GC to higher density like it was before

[dry rune]

is move speed bonus or additional move speed better?

[jaunty topaz]

depends on what your move speed is before equipping the item

like for example, a 1% move speed bonus when you have 300 movespeed is equal to +3 movespeed

with a movesped cap of 330 it's generally always better to get flat movespeed increases since +5 will usually be better than whatever % can provide

theoretically tho % could be better if the MS cap was higher

I think the cap to % move speed is 1.5 if im not mistaken

[limber atlas]

bro fking remove headspikes from the game im too Fing shite to know where they are or to dodge them and i end up losing intense fights because of both of my dumbness but also FING SPIKES EVERYWHERE REMOVE THEM PLEASE IM BAD

whoever the map designer is for this game, we get it youre a sadist but please please please hear our prayers, wall spike traps are fking unfun to play with pls

[tulip glen]

this game fucking sucks i just got teamed on by 4 chinese bitchs in solos

[deft lynx]

fkn lmao

[brazen mason]

Movespeed bonus 1% is about equal to 3 additional movespeed

[small marsh]

gg mang

[naive oxide]

TERREEEENCCCCEEEE!!!!
NERF FALCHION, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[safe thistle]

Get Rekt!

[spice stratus]

bruh, its a flat % increase, doesn't scale of what your MS currently is, 1.5% move speed bonus is the same as 5 additional move speed

[brisk mason]

Depends on amount. They normally pretty equivalent since 1.5 percent is worth 5 same with +5 add. Percent is technically better when above 300 ms i think

[brisk mason]

?
If its 1.5 percent ms bonus its gonna give more ms if your at say 300 ms compared to if your at say 200 ms.

[spice stratus]

lol, its % increase i.e 1.5% gives you 1.5% move speed increase.

in your move speed tab, it says (for example) 309 ( 103%)
adding 1.5 % move speed will bring it too 104.5

it doesnt scale based on what your current move speed is,

just times the % by 3 and thats the move speed it gives you.
1.5 % = 4.5 ms
1.4 % = 4.2 ms
1.3% = 3.9 ms
etc

whether you are at 300 or 150 MS the increase it gives you is the same...

i just tested it from 200 ms and 300 ms..

rage, gives you 12 % bonus based on what your move speed is....

the stuff you find on equipment doesnt, its poorly worded but it is a flat increase

[spice stratus]

i tested it today

[rocky frigate]

i been seeing this a lot in my solos as well they go in pairs one to cave troll the other to cyclops usually they are all decently geared if you even go near either of the loot rooms they all swarm to you

[spice stratus]

i had 2 pairs of boots on just 5 MS the other has 5 MS and 1.5 % MS bonus,

based on what you are saying
at 200 MS it should give 3 MS
and 300 MS it should give 4.5 MS

it doesnt, it gives 4.5 MS

i did it on cleric with warmaul

it simply adds the %
as i said above
1.5 % = 4.5 ms
1.4 % = 4.2 ms
1.3% = 3.9 ms

[vivid zodiac]

yeah this is right

[warm creek]

how do I die from 1 flame walk when I have over 30% MR? wtf is up with magic damage?

[neat tundra]

Does daggerrs count for sword mastery

[versed moat]

is it possible to get legendaries from normal gold pile?

[crystal scarab]

No they’re daggers not swords

[warm creek]

no shit, but to that extent is bonkers

[neat tundra]

😭

[warm creek]

thats cool to know. it limits the amount of stack of burn I assume?

[neat tundra]

No

[warm creek]

does magic power apply to true magic damage?

[zealous jewel]

What is buff ball? I keep hearing it

[quick fern]

cleric/bard/wizard buffing a fighter/barb

[radiant fog]

Who excited for removal of multi class?

[zealous jewel]

Excited and not excited

[radiant fog]

What are your pros and cons?

[zealous jewel]

Well I absolutely love the idea of being a fighter who specializes in supporting buffs as a tank, or being a barbarian whose able to generate a magic shield

Butttt on the other hand you have warlocks with long swords and robust just never dying

Maybe I’m just hoping for a subclass system to mimic D&D because I love a lot of the customization you are able to do

[radiant fog]

I agree, I think multi class was a problem, they should’ve implemented sub classing instead, but like in a different way

[radiant fog]

Beat me to it lol

[zealous jewel]

I’d love warlocks having more ties to dnd in a subclass that lets you throw weapons as a skill and they return to you if they are bound

Or wild magic

Wild magic would be so fucking fun

[radiant fog]

Thatd be sick, I wonder if they’ll ever implement a weapon throw mechanic at all, for all characters, but Ig that would be busted if barbs throw their big ass axes

[zealous jewel]

I like the idea of mimicking battlemaster fighter and being able to rally and parry with more weapons

Or college of swords bard

[radiant fog]

Sounds sweet

[zealous jewel]

I hope Druid has a Reanimation spell or something that lets you turn dead allies into pve enemies if you can’t revive them

[radiant fog]

Wait that’s actually sick

[zealous jewel]

That’s what circle of the spores Druid does anyways

[radiant fog]

I haven’t seen anything but that Druid has a passive heal, which makes sense but damn does that seem like it can be busted

[zealous jewel]

I hope Druid has spike growth

It will more than likely have shillelagh

Life link would be cool where you can temporarily split damage from you and an ally or be able to like sacrifice 50% of your hp to give them 30% of theirs

[rotund ember]

ranger lf chill duo dont wine and cry https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1182035932115910667

[fast hamlet]

rougue players are so incredibly disgusting

[rough cloak]

Lmao

[elfin fern]

ranger w/ robust, achilles, crossbow mastery, spear, 8+ true dmg stack. what do you even do about someone like that. barely escaped with my life, watched him 3 tap a pdr fighter

so glad this is going away

[cosmic lava]

If he can 3 tap with crossbow + spear now, he'll still be able to do it next week

Robust and achilles have nothing to do with it

[elfin fern]

yeah, the flat damage is its own thing, but if the play is to try to close the distance he also has bulk and slow on top of that

[cosmic lava]

we can make up a bunch of hypothetical fights and conditions and assumptions all day long, back and forth

You mentioned "just watch him 3 tap" , so I mentioned how that has nothing at all to do with MC

[elfin fern]

whatever

[finite flint]

is there any free trials to this game? my brother is raving about it but id like to test it first

[rapid holly]

Everyone who bought the game got a free 10 day trial code. It might still be possible to redeem

[finite flint]

thank you ill ask him about that its possible he didnt even know about that

[tropic kraken]

I doubt the community would want casual single player game features and "wouldn't be able to lose progress" thats not ranked anymore

[subtle heart]

Sounds like you’re giving more work ideas to a team that’s already struggling to figure out the right thing to do.

[last iris]

Multi class over yet?

[steel fulcrum]

ice cave should be darker imo, it feels super bright and kinda kills that danger around the corner feeling

[echo sparrow]

i dont think all maps need to be super dark. its got a different aesthetic to it.

[high sapphire]

idk i thik it should be dark enough to creep around still but its kinda impossible

[steel fulcrum]

yeah sure but too static high brightness-feely

[narrow wing]

Im getting tavern error codes?

[sleek estuary]

Boy I hope another person asks when MC is over

[drifting dove]

lol

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1030185258345304094 that they did in the Q&A

[sleek estuary]

It would be cool if they added random environmental effects. Like fog, or rain (water dripping from the ceiling). It could impede vision or hearing.

I'm deaf in my right ear so it wouldn't bother me lmao

[drifting dove]

O.o that sounds like its deaf-enetly an advantage for you

[sleek estuary]

It would just level the playing field lol

[pliant kite]

Sounds like gold but make gold useless. Getting high ranks would just mean grinding even more

[drifting dove]

its leveld when I can play wizard and not run into a barbarian with iron will and anti-magic from warlock bloody 2 perks with base barbarian stats it is 53,7% MR like wtf

[scenic hornet]

what happens when you complete all quests ?

[rare venture]

Yeah I gave up playing my primary (wiz) cause everyone had iron will and robust, took like all 6 direct fireballs to kill fighters/barbs.. I just ended up going poison weapon ranger cause I dont like playing bonk wiz.

[echo sparrow]

you get a sticker (nothing happens )

[runic isle]

Am i an AH for throwing all the clothing and items from the body on the ground after looting what i need?
So if other player stumbles upon the body, they have to pick up items from the ground to see what stats they have

[echo sparrow]

if you are asking you either think it is, or are just looking for attention to make someone mad 🤔

[scenic hornet]

rip lmao but doesnt it allow merchants to sell u white gear and squire too?

[echo sparrow]

as you do your quests, you will be granted better gear. so if you finished all your quests, your squire shouuld have white gear for you to start with

[scenic hornet]

nice thanks

[wild temple]

Are the ruins gonna be coming back soon? I’ve been away from the game for awhile and was curious

[brisk sundial]

does anybody know how to fix error 16?

[honest badge]

When is mc getting taken away

[main glade]

did the devs ever mention anything about modding in the future?

[wind venture]

Am I the only one who find able to stack 12 true damage incredible broken and just stupid?

[formal moon]

Welcome to the game

[daring hazel]

whalecum to gam

[wind venture]

True damage shouldn't even be in the game... is someone tanky? We got armor pen for that stuff. Or change true damage to x% pen or something.. So cancerous to play against man

[daring hazel]

i can build true damage on my rogue like 8-10 tru and STILL not kill a fighter with hide and ambussh

[formal moon]

Takes 4 PTs of data for IM to learn the wrong thing

[wind venture]

@daring hazelI'm never fighting a fighter cause they walka round with 150+hp and 70+ pdr

[daring hazel]

very true lol and tbh landmine rogue was top teir playing...

[formal moon]

Game just isn't fun with the tank pdr shout meta

[daring hazel]

i view rogue as an assassin class. thats why i think landmine rogue should come back

[wind venture]

one-two more day and its back to normal...

[formal moon]

Landmine was only a problem when solos got added. Solos have killed the game slowly by scope creep making too much work for some already really lazy devs

[daring hazel]

nah i want lindmine from PT2 where if anyone got to close they were dead... as a "real" assassin would be.. none of this 6-7 hits to kill a fighter with ambush active

[onyx yacht]

please nerf true damage

[wind venture]

nerf/remove it

[broken hound]

When does game wipe?

[tidal imp]

it's wiping right now

[wind venture]

from what I see about the player base...

[echo perch]

Is it easier to just run HR for killing Warlord at this point?

[maiden bough]

A rogue should never 2 shot a fighter.. they are already faster than everyone to chase, but you also want them 2 shotting someone in plate? Talk about biased 🤣

[maiden bough]

Before they make it darker they need to adjust the mob density and the aggro range. Particularly the skeleton modules. Take one step and wake up 8 skeletons and half of them are archers 🤣

[mellow jasper]

Or the Kobolds that aggro from 2 rooms over and are mobbed up in a doorway waiting for you to open it

[digital magnet]

It's like people totally forgot that every patch was buffball spam meta and now we have MC with more than one viable build per class and everyone is sobbing over character progression and build choices..... only dark and darker fans man

[daring hazel]

I’m very biased 🤣🤣 even with weak point, which is made to kill PDRs and ambush, you still can’t even 4 shot a fighter. That’s well enough time for him to 1-2 tap you.

[daring hazel]

I enjoy the heck outta MC but it needed to be HEAVILY tweaked. Every class was ironwill, robust, slayer, and animagic with sprint and savage roar OR they were bonk cactus builds.. they yea you have the one offs but still that had the game broken. Or the (myself) slayer smite rogue. All broken af.

[vapid oyster]

the social aggro in ice caves is so fuckin cancer

aggro in general in this game is just fuckin terrible

[opaque gulch]

hey are they wiping when they get rid of multiclassing?

[wind venture]

I think quests should come out all at ones and not per week. First 2-3 weeks you go for the quest, then it just becomes a chore and annoying. When first couple of weeks at a new wipe you go for them cause its your goal

[wanton otter]

thoughts on druid.?

[broken dome]

i think its wild yo

[winter grove]

do we know when Druid is supposed to hit the "live" server?

[wide thunder]

Hey guys, me and 2 friends have been having a blast with the gaem but cant seem to get much done in high roller. We run slayer fighter, cleric, warlock, anyone have some good duo or trio comps we should possible try out?

[polar talon]

everythings can be a good comp just need to adapt a playstyle around it. normally u want to visualise backline/frontline comps, pillar comp wich is playing around a huge frontliner or full range comps. u can even do landmining comps wich is landmining with hide or shadow song and play around it really depend what is your combo here

[wide thunder]

@polar talon Appreciate the reply, we will try some of these ideas!

[mellow perch]

can you melt the ice on ice caves w a molotov?

[velvet lichen]

SDF ruined the game I demand new management

[quiet dagger]

What are peoples thoughts on more depth to combat? With different parry's and riposte's such as with longsword/bardiche etc. Kicks, lunges forward and back. There are a lot of things they could add to this game that would increase the depth by an insane amount if they get it right. add a lot of skill expression and provide weaker classes more "get out of jail" cards.

The downside is likely the ability to balance this and add more depth correctly to an already complex project.

[maiden bough]

agreed multiclass is fun. but its not very "multi class" when i see the same 3-5 perks on every character, and they are all running sprint, shout, or smite. with how multiclass is right now im just seeing the same build over and over. the only difference is if they are dressed up as a fighter, rogue, barbarian, or warlock lol

[maiden bough]

avoid high roller until multi class goes away. if you guys are newer, youre behind the curve right now because everyone else has maxed out Multi class builds

[polar talon]

exactly. i like multiclass its fun like u said. but the playerbase seems to follow all the same fuckin builds instead of being creative so it kinda suck. We also lost single class identity with multiclass so its a good thing that they are removing it from the game to be honest

[maiden bough]

yeah, they should honestly adopt a style like guild wars 1 has. where you have a primary class and a secondary class. but you have a limited choice for access to your secondary classes abilities. example, i dont think that fighters should be able to get robust and barbs shouldnt be able to get sprint. you have to limit what abilties can be accessed by other classes. not give them the whole classes ability catalog. heck maybe even make it to where you can only multi class with 1 other class instead of picking 1 ability from rogue, 1 from cleric, 2 from fighter and etc

[polar talon]

yeah they need to create an entire exclusive pools with limited things for multiclass. like u said no robust no rage etc but maybe axe specialization etc. like ranger with spear proficiencies

[maiden bough]

i keep wondering when polearm proficiency/expertise is going to be added. i think every other weapon type has a passive that buffs its damage except polearms. maybe on a future class.

[polar talon]

if only this game instead of multiclass would have a system like Baldur gate 3 (at a certain levels u pick up feats related to dungeon and dragons like ''spell sniper'' or lets say ''spear proficiencies'') etc would be wayy better

[waxen totem]

@zinc sparrow cheaters and hackers have ruined your good game. you've wasted dev time on stupid side projects when the #1 problem affecting this game, its growth and its longjevity is hackers. someone or multiple persons are running ESP, range hacks and aim hacks in nearly every lobby across pretty much all regions now. its getting pretty pointless to play the game without running active cheats. and most people don't want to cheat when they play games because it isn't fun. so people quit. get a very invasive anti cheat program running immediately or watch the game continue to die.

[sleek dagger]

i que into high roller with full green and 3 blues. so why am i getting matched with a guy in demigod and in full legendary gear completely bised out. also this was the first highroller i played on that character, so first game of highroller for people is full of people with crazy money in their stash and me on this new character cant even stand a chance. along with all of this he was teaming with a worlock wizard multiclass mess of a character

wtf

[jaunty topaz]

I assume is will be when the season ends around june-ish

[wanton finch]

This game needs a vanguard like system like valorant has. Pretty soon the only player base left will be those able to cope with downloading hacks to level the playing field

[raven drift]

As others have said, I too am reaching the end of the line with tolerating cheaters. As the player base drops, it becomes increasingly obvious just how many players are using cheats at all hours of the day in both normal and high roller, ESPECIALLY in solos. If the cheating is not reigned in as priority #1, it's going to make all of the dev work that Ironmace is doing meaningless.

[placid sparrow]

anyone seen a firefly abdomen???

[maiden bough]

did you bring a large number of heals? heals count towards gear score and can add up very quickly and put you into the big boy lobby. as of now there is only 2 gear score lobbies for high roller. 0-299 and 300+. so either you brought a bunch of heals or the other guy kept his score under 299 and brought the best gear he could

[maiden bough]

what are the typical cheats you see? i mostly play normal lobbies, and i imagine the cheaters are more prevelant on high roller. i also play the us east server exclusively

[scenic hornet]

Yeah i never see cheaters tbh but I never play 300 or higher lobbies so maybe thats why idk

[placid sparrow]

play oce solos any youll see cheaters

[raven drift]

In order of prevalence: ESP (see through walls and receive other info about players, inventories, etc), auto aimers, range hacks (weapon swings beyond normal hitbox), hitbox hacks (weapon hitbox width and height increased), and finally, speed hacks

[steel fulcrum]

agree

[raven drift]

just fixing it so things don't aggro through the floor would be a huge change

[waxen totem]

@placid sparrow firefly abdomen were from rock golems that were on the old ruins map

[vapid arch]

no they're from dragonflies

[placid sparrow]

have you seeen one?

[vapid arch]

i got an abdomen from a dragonfly last wipe

i haven't seen any this wipe

[placid sparrow]

i get more troll pelts than firefly abdomen

[steep oak]

Saw them when ruins was up

[static kestrel]

whens multiclassing getting removed?

[vapid arch]

this week

[static kestrel]

alright thanks

[minor prairie]

even in 300 I havent seen any cheaters

[raven drift]

a lot of people don't realize when they've been cheated on

most, probably

[minor prairie]

probably me then. sometimes its hard to tell if someones using reach hacks on me when im running or if its just the replay being weird

[jaunty topaz]

Literally yesterday I had cheaters who knew exactly where I was hiding invisible shoot at me from across the room 💀

[copper ivy]

when is the next force wipe happening?

[ebon palm]

best decision they've made in months

[pliant umbra]

do ppl still play this video game

[vapid arch]

june

[vapid arch]

i'd say the best decision they made was expanding the craftable armor/weapon and generic armor variety

[ebon palm]

agreed

[jaunty topaz]

And then they turn around and ruin it by making it so you can't see what the rolls on crafted gear is so now you are 99% likely to waste your hard-earned crafting materials on a worthless piece that you can't even vendor

[vapid arch]

do you know why seeing your rolls was removed?

[jaunty topaz]

To make the game grindier

[vapid arch]

because people were holding onto their resources and scrolling through their craftables every 30 minutes on 10 different characters to get the best possible rolls

you would also get people in collectors guild that would post their craftables and get paid a lot just for making gear for someone with that persons craftables

[jaunty topaz]

That's a very fair thing to grant players for their time invested in it

[vapid arch]

its fair to grant players gold items worth tens of thousands for doing naked gold runs on ruins for 30 minutes?

[jaunty topaz]

It's bad enough we have to waste all this time and gold and effort and risking our gear collecting the damn materials in the first place, is it so bad that I at least get SOMETHING half-decent out of it? Ffs

[lucid pivot]

zirkzi's eye. can't list in marketplace. trade chat only?

[vapid arch]

there's other artifacts listed on the marketplace but the max is 50k, if you want to get more in one trade you'll have to do trade chat or collectors guild

[lucid pivot]

bet, appreciate floppa

[jaunty topaz]

I wish there was a enchantment re-roll mechanic where I can salvage my worthless gold crafts because this new system is such a huge gamble and honestly feels like a waste of time

[vapid arch]

i dont understand your obsession with wanting BIS gear so widely distributed in the game

[jaunty topaz]

I just wish the devs respected player's time more and actually rewarded the effort they put into the game

I know it's a Korean game but ffs ease up on the grind man

[vapid arch]

should looted items in raid let you pick which mods they have as well?

[jaunty topaz]

Well now I can see you're not really engaging my argument and are just trolling so yeah not talking to you anymore

Devs don't respect player's time and chat thinks this BS lottery grind is fair and balanced so I have nothing else to say

[vapid arch]

im pointing out how your desire to get the exact rolls you want every time on gear is stupid, if you dont understand comparison or juxtaposition then you're ill

news flash, if you getting what you wanted every time was in the game then it would be the same for everyone else, and personally i dont fancy seeing a market flooded with an infinite amount of BIS epics and legendaries where everyone has every stat that they want

[jaunty topaz]

I at least want SOMETHING to compensate the amount of time I put into this game rather than just "get lucky lmao"

[vapid arch]

if the only joy you gain from this game is seeing good rolls on crafting gear then i dont know why you're playing at all

go to a slot machine and keep playing till you see big numbers

probably more entertaining for you

[jaunty topaz]

Slots would be more fun than bossing/hitting the gold pile for 800 hours lol

What a boring ass grind man

[vapid arch]

so do that then

idk why you're here complaining if you want a better form of entertainment when one already exists specifically for you

why do no stakes gambling in a video game when you can actually gamble lol

[jaunty topaz]

What a shame, how brainwashed these people are

They don't even realize how flawed this gameplay loop is

At least Dungeonborne is way more polished, will probably hop on that when it comes out soon

[grand yew]

are elite level monsters from quests black ones or red ones ?

[young lynx]

nah you possibly have the worst take possible. your system would have people sitting in the merchant section vs actually playing the game and hunting for good stuff. if u had to spend 800 hrs to find good gear maybe you greedy or just doggy woof woof. if you no like then leave -899999999 people would miss you. stop yappin little one

[jaunty topaz]

Sitting for rolls probably isn't a good design either but I wish there was some way players could reroll gear in exchange for gold so that their craft items/legendary items aren't always vendorslop

Oh wait you can't even vendor crafted items I forgot lmao

[vapid arch]

you can reroll gear by playing the game and finding more gear/craftables

[young lynx]

yeah cant wait for a reroll system to bis flood the market or so ppl like you can whinge about not getting good rerolls and that the system is a scam, youll survive without the goat gear trust

[jaunty topaz]

More like imma reroll my hard drive space lmao, gonna exchange DaD for Dungeonborne

[young lynx]

pls do

[jaunty topaz]

No point staring at gold piles and jpegs of dwarves for 800 hours when I could actually have fun playing something else

[young lynx]

ok bye

[vapid arch]

and yet you're still here talking

[young lynx]

yep gottem

[jaunty topaz]

At work rn yapping on my phone
Maybe Dark & Darker mobile would be better too since it's a different team

[vapid arch]

still here talking about a game you dont like

[jaunty topaz]

Well I don't like Dark and Darker in it's current state but I hope it does get better cuz it has potential that's being squandered

[vapid arch]

squandered by the devs listening to the mob of emotion based opinions

remember what happened to the culling

[jaunty topaz]

With Dungeonborne coming out soon I suppose only time will tell what the superior game is

0.01% drop rates, 2012 graphics, and jpegs of dwarves are nice and all but it's not exactly my cup of tea

[zinc totem]

2.5k in dungeon aint it for me

[daring hazel]

sheeesshh hahaha ded game

[jaunty topaz]

No you don't understand, according to floppa the game is perfect and flawless and if you think otherwise you're very stupid and need to git gud

It's the community's fault the game sucks!

[tranquil blaze]

People out here like "we lost population with MC" it went from 12k to 10.5k... then they remove MC and it dropped from 10.5k to 6k

[small marsh]

I have never, one time, run into a hacker in my 160 hours of playing this game

[vapid arch]

never said the game was perfect and flawless just that your idea was bad but keep winning those strawman arguments in your head

[hot kettle]

160 hours is nothing, anyways you probably don’t do over 300 high rollers that’s where all the cheaters are. I’m 2500 hours in and there are a lot. Almost anyone I report for cheating gets banned couple days later

Trios is where the hackers and cheaters chill

[small marsh]

160 hours is twenty 8 hour sessions. That's a lot.

[hot kettle]

Again I’m 2500 hours in. So there is def a gap there lol

[small marsh]

Just because you waste your life away at the computer all day doesn't mean I have to in order to "have a lot of time"

[vapid arch]

its also 160 1 hour sessions, but 160 hours isn't a lot of time invested in a video game

[hot kettle]

Lollllllllll just cause you have no time and you’re struggling isn’t my problem buddy

I’ve been playing this game since the day it came out

And those hours don’t include any of the time I spent on the game before the launcher was introduced

[small marsh]

Whatever you say, buddy

[hot kettle]

You’re right, it is whatever I say 😂

[high fractal]

I don’t feel any sense in looting at all when I can just run normal lobbies and hunt players. The higher rarity gear is useless with gear based matchmaking. Quests and looting feels pointless

[jaunty topaz]

Oh yeah that's another thing with this game, normals is just way more fun than High Roller because of how much more balanced and fun the pvp is

[snow birch]

Are we keeping our character lvls and stash loot after multiclass is over??? sorry if its posted i just looked and didnt see anything

[jaunty topaz]

So like, on top of bis gear already being a super difficult grind to obtain, it's kinda pointless since you don't actually get stronger putting on the gear thanks to gbmm

No point in even trying to grind for bis when normals is literally the same as high gear gbmm

How in the hell is this good game design

[high fractal]

Cody is preaching to the choir 🙏🏼

Just buy some pots and bandages and go hunt players in normals that’s all there is to do

[tranquil coyote]

I feel that the jewelry needs its own listing maximums separate from the 10 listing max we have now. It seems that right now there is little incentive to sell off such a small item when space is so limited as it is. I am perpetually selling larger items and ive got half a page of jewelry I don't need. I am no economist but the flow of jewelry will likely shift if we're more likely to list it.

[finite flint]

is there an admin available?

[jaunty topaz]

On the plus side jewelry with good rolls sells for alot of gold

Rings in particular

[finite flint]

anyone know how to get in touch with an admin?

[clear totem]

Multiclassing is the worst thing to happen to this game. Change my mind

[small marsh]

No, why do you need one?

[finite flint]

issue with accessing the 10 day trial was told to reach out to an admin

[small marsh]

Message one of the ones on the side.

[finite flint]

thank you anyone in particular youd recommend

[small marsh]

I don't know, I don't message them

[wise perch]

when did they make golden gear purple?

[stuck ridge]

Defense mastery for fighters should allow them to wear any armor as well, but only give 7% armor bonus. then you could use it for none plate on slayer and for plate on PDR

[chrome elk]

anyones game crashing soon aftrer they launch ?

[proud hemlock]

@stuck ridge "let's make this already broken class even more broken" what a great idea!

[small marsh]

Is it? That's weird

[outer ridge]

The brain rot is real

[limpid folio]

Finally !!! Getting rid of multiclass is the right move!!!!!!!!!

It was really getting out of hand, the quarterstaff shit was so dumb

[regal raft]

I miss enjoying this game....sad the devs are ruining this game... really sad

[lapis forge]

What quarterstaff stuff if you don't mind me asking?

[naive oxide]

You will begin to cough in three days.

[fast heart]

does slayer work for sword and crystal ball still?

[ripe hare]

please wipe and keep multiclass I deleted all characters after latest news xD

[small marsh]

yes

[restive frost]

holy the game is dead

[maiden bough]

i hope the population is only this low because its people waiting for multi class to be removed

[ripe hare]

haha half the community enjoyed it and the people not enjoying it have mostly stopped playing allread out of protest removing it now will not bring people back that stopped allready for a month or so now it just going to remove poeple like me who only come back to check if they keep it

[maiden bough]

i think youre wrong about half thecommunity enjoying it lol

[restive frost]

i think the games dead cause its so boring and the core gameplay loop needs to be fixed

[small marsh]

My opinion has shifted over time about MC and it ultimately comes down to, X classes whose damage was already quite high getting access to things that could possibly over double their damage per attack is generally not healthy for the balance of the game.

I don't really care about things like creeping barbarians in platemail, or backflipping spear rogues, or anything like that - it's just fine, most of the time, and none of these are instant wins and have counterplay available to any class. It's those insane builds that have next to no counters that I have an issue with. Multiclass, if nothing else, needs more time to bake before they put it out again.

[green wigeon]

HOW CAN YOU TELL IF YOU GOING INTO A HIGH GEARED LOBBY?

[wanton finch]

has anyone tried farming wendigo claws in HR as opposed to normal?

[limber verge]

Key words here are: "I think"

[hot walrus]

thoroughly believe the troll boss is broken

[jaunty topaz]

Calculate your gear score at https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Gear_Score

[brisk mason]

it doesnt change anything

[wanton finch]

didnt figure

[restive frost]

? that my opinon

[lime delta]

what is the point of block if 99 percent of the time against players they just hit you in the arm through the shield

[digital dock]

you probably think you are blocking based on your perspective but to them you are wide open, shields be like that.

[lime delta]

it makes the block sound and i hit the tip and everything yet i get chunked

[digital dock]

i think that's when your impact resistance is lower than their impact damage and it does a little bit over the blocked value? Atleast that is what i have assumed, because it happens to me too. Honestly Bardiche is easier to block with than the shield.

[digital dock]

The game is sitting at about 5k active right now, the week before the release of multiclass it was at 10k. The week of multiclass release it shot up to 16k at one point but now is at its lowest its been in a while. They need to put up what the season rank rewards will be to get one final player boost before end of season in my opinion. Its going to be 6 months before we actually get the rewards, mite as well give as a peak.

[limber verge]

Six months?... The next season is in June.

[digital dock]

Sure the next season starts in June but if the rewards are handed out like last season it will be a while. Exaggerating of course.

[lime delta]

god multiclass makes the game so annoying. Unique opinion I know

[limber verge]

Don't play for like, a day, and you're safe.

[fervent cloak]

are the portal stones available as soon as a match starts, or do they only appear after a set time

[lime delta]

doesnt make being killed by sprint rage rogue rangers warlock any less ball crushing

[limber verge]

It doesn't, but you don't have to let it happen again.

[digital dock]

I hate the throwing weapons more than i hate multiclass tbh. Until i can throw my spear than it will be all good.

[lime delta]

on a positive note bless the addition of squire starting gear

[digital dock]

they appear after a while, some sooner than others...i rarely find them before 50% match timer is up. Im not sure the exact perimeters.

[fervent cloak]

[limber verge]

Both are real.

[torpid rain]

i have an idea for druid, i saw that there may be an ability for druid to not get attacked by animals and i think it weoul be cool if druid could sneak up behind the wolves and grab the fur and rip it off like a sheet or maybe rip it out in clumps and could sell it without killing the wolf

[jaunty topaz]

Druid not getting attacked by animals would be a cool perk, I had a similar idea where Warlock could have a perk called 'Necromancer' where undead enemies do not attack him

[digital dock]

Any game with R-M-T is flooded with minmaxers. Before R-M-T this game was very different...

[naive oxide]

Um what

[past light]

So Longsword is just better for blocking than an actual shield, right?
I know its supposed to have less blocking power than a shield but the riposte mechanic means that in effect it has infinite blocking power.
Fail to see the value of a shield when I have to pay such a hefty opportunity cost to have perfect block or be useless vs 2-handers.

[digital dock]

I have come to same conclusion but I also like the spear and bardiche block, the buckler shield is good to have around for tanking champion and wraith/inferno monster and archers

[zenith fiber]

Too many queues not enough players, game be dying

[torpid rain]

like not killing them just getting the fur

[naive oxide]

Imagine if someone came up behind you and tried to tear off your scalp

[past light]

Do the spear and bardiche give you a quick follow up? I would imagine that blocking with those in PVP is risking a hit just to trade on the next one anyway.

[torpid rain]

well its not my scalp, it would be myt hair, maybe rip it out was a bad term but i bet the druid has some forest sciissors or something

[wet leaf]

Actually shields have an issue, when you block perfectly you get a recovery downtime, but the blocked attacker doesnt, means you cant counterattack without getting hit. Shields needs some buffs

When u skin any living being, its already dead, its a long and complicated process, shouldnt take 1 sec nor in any way leave the subject alive....

[digital dock]

no there is no parry like when using the longsword, that is the one big drawback to using the spear or bardiche...if only we could throw the spear

[past light]

Round shield seems to get staggered so hard by the felling axe that your recovery ends at about the same time as the next swing hits you, and that is with shield mastery.
Def agree they need a buff, I want to use shields just because I like the fantasy of it but it seems quite the disadvantage with the added slowdown for such spurious benefit.

[regal sundial]

When is wipe?

[static rapids]

june i think is what I've seen people say

[brazen mason]

Two of the best fighters in HR ran perfect block prior to MC. Just gotta save it for the Barb fights

[past light]

Should I lose second wind or sprint though? I am guessing second wind but both seem horrible. 😭
I guess if you are good enough to block everything then it would be worth it.

[vagrant condor]

Does anyone know how to fix the out of video memory (have RTX 4090)

[odd spindle]

Can they add cars to dark and darker, it'd really add to my immersion

[crystal onyx]

Why is forceful shot working on a wizard using magic missiles and no bow?

[daring hazel]

This is interesting because they haven’t even released the rewards for grinding AP… I wanna see what imma unlock before I grind hard for it.

[formal moon]

are they even going to show them before the season ends

[oak jacinth]

is there going to be a druid channel is discord yet? They gutted Druid in test server and no one is talking about it :/

[formal moon]

ya, druid was laughably broken

[oak jacinth]

the only thing that was broken was rat healing which got removed. But they also nerfed animation cancels so form switching from combat feels terrible, and they nerfed the self buff power bonus which was the only thing it had going for it

[formal moon]

because you could shift through doors and walls

[oak jacinth]

thats like the plan for rat form tho? or do you mean people were bugging through doors and walls in other forms?

also idk what they did to the form shifting and the map geometery but i get stuck every game now at least 3 times in the ground XD

[foggy knot]

when is multiclass over?

[merry nest]

the 10th i believe

[jade stump]

why is toggle crouch still not a thing?

[runic isle]

This game is infested with cheaters
Today #1 player on ladder NoSkillBruvTTV got banned for cheating...
The guy that is 2nd is also cheating
So disgusting

[brazen mason]

I would drop 2nd wind but those particular fighters play in specific comps and were some of the best two teams out there.

Emel ran with one of the top bard players along with Apollo as wizard. He would save PB for their direct comp counter (same comp but with Barb instead) and call out when he was going to push/utilize it.

[forest bramble]

Fought that guy on the playtest of Dungeonborne. think he wasn't cheating but was for sure exploiting. Wouldn't be surprised he's gone as far as cheating.

[sturdy dagger]

Perfect block is amazing but takes quite a bit of practice, I'd say run with sprint and perfect block, you might die a lot in the beggining, but you'll get better at blocking

[outer ridge]

zones are the worst thing in this game icemap only playable map

[wet leaf]

Icemap is a crazy good addition, and the frost mechanic from mobs and timer are excellent, plus, the mobs there are far superior in quality and density then other maps

[brittle vault]

THE CHEATING IS ABSOLUTELY INSANSE IM SO TIRED OF IT I ACTUALLY HAVENT DIED TO A LEGIT PLAYER IN DAYS everytime i get on its 3-9 bans from every team that has killed me almost every player i kill in east is number named and perfectly creeping or ratting its actually so bad 300+ BC they know thats where all the bis is

[sinful gull]

Bro no way ? is he gone?

not from the leaderboards yet...

[analog mountain]

When sre they getting rid of multiclass so I can play again

[sinful gull]

should be 2-3 days

[twin plank]

ping lock solos :D

[cosmic lava]

I know right?

I'm so ready to see the same three classes with the same three builds instead of a bunch of classes with the same three builds literally unplayable well except for the people that were playing fine but literally unplayable

[hallow reef]

Is it me or is playing solo just better most of the time? I don't have much stuff neither does my friend and HR duos are pretty unplayable for us with how geared everyone is

[jaunty topaz]

I was wondering how that guy had like double repoze's points lmao
repoze friggin no-lifes this game

[thick remnant]

does anyone know if mystical gem is even worth running?

[vapid arch]

you have a chance to get an artifact but generally its just used as a gold sink like skull keys

[thick remnant]

okay i gotcha so its really not worth the risk to try and take it in

[vapid arch]

not really considering the average return you'll get is like 1k of treasure, and also other people can see your inventory and know what you're doing

[thick remnant]

its just a pile right you have to hit it to get the artifact?

[vapid arch]

it also has a marvelous chest which has a chance to spawn an artifact inside it

[thick remnant]

i tried it and i can confirm it was indeed not worth it

[flat dawn]

whats the best stat to increase when going for high damage melee on a falchion?

[jaunty topaz]

||Lowkey you can peek thru the wall to see if an artifact spawned on the ground in the mystic gem room without needing to use it||

[wind venture]

I hate this fucking AP system, what the fuck is wrong with the devs

[rough whale]

nobody in my lobbies

[gleaming plover]

every game I play I only have cheaters I have banned 20 in one week

[left smelt]

OCE?

[gleaming plover]

eu

[wind venture]

I'm doing eu duo and its most of the time at leaat 3-5 teams

[rapid venture]

the counter for the escaping unscathed quest doesnt work

[echo perch]

I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers. I knew it was supposed to be Sprint nerfed from 50 to 30, not Divine Protection. Especially after the movespeed cap change. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn’t prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot in general chat to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He’s done worse. That crossbow! Are you telling me that a fighter just happens to get to be a better ranger? No! He orchestrated it! Fighter! He defecated in Cave Troll room! And I saved him! And I shouldn’t have. I helped him kill the Cave Troll! What was I thinking? He’ll never change. He’ll never change! Ever since he was level 9, always the same! Couldn’t run anything but Sprint and Second Wind! But not our Fighter! Couldn’t be precious Fighter! Having the best perks in the game! And CLERIC is the one who gets nerfed? What a sick joke! I should’ve complained about him on Reddit when I had the chance!

[vapid arch]

They patched this and moved the floor spawns into the marvelous chest

[jaunty topaz]

aw crap

[vapid arch]

Better cough up your 18k skull key for a 90% chance of a 1k return

[crimson oar]

when was the last wipe?

[devout lily]

REMOVE GBMM TOO U BRICKS

[digital dock]

"Finally, we apologize for the delay in the reveal of the season rewards. We are working on a better ‘themed’ reward set and hope to have them announced soon. We hope these rewards will serve as proper motivation to grind the leaderboards once they are revealed". Feels good to get a blurb about one of my minor frustrations, love you SDF

[verbal laurel]

when is the druid bugs gonna be fixed I am waiting for that to play the game again

[echo perch]

Dude they f-ed over Cleric so hard by not at least reverting the nerfs…

[slate ledge]

Are we not concerned about people buying quest items off the market and dropping them to friends for ez quest completions? lol

[main raven]

The patch hasn't even happened yet. The balance patches have been on Fridays

[tardy sandal]

We don’t even know how it’s going to work if a teammate loots a teammates body

[echo perch]

You can keep telling yourself that they’ll do something about it, but they have consistently shown in the past that they will not make reasonable changes.

[main raven]

They HAVE made reasonable changes before, though.

The only issue I have is that there'll be an absolute W patch one week, and then the patch next week has a bunch of stuff no one asked for.

[slate ledge]

While if it didn't work with teammates, it would help, we all know that player cooperation with one another doesn't stop at "teammates"

[amber inlet]

Yo IM can we revert all the nerfs you did on cleric to prevent abuse during multiclassing?

[echo perch]

The problem is more that there are multitudes of reasonable changes that should have been made long ago and they make like, 3 of them every 2 weeks

[wind venture]

So why didn't they change cleric nerfs back?

@amber inletrequires effort in changing numbers.

[maiden bough]

What cleric nerfs happened? Was it just divine protection and smite?

[burnt cipher]

Hey guys, was away for like half a year , did the game changed a lot? what about that law suit , will we go back on steam?

[echo perch]

Good think they didn’t nerf Fighter or Barbarian, they would have actually had to revert those nerfs

[digital magnet]

Time to go back to not playing the game because it's stale and has ZERO CHARACTER PROGRESSION. Someone ping me when we have meaningful content. The game has been the same for the past 6 months MC aside... No druid still. No skill trees. No diverse set of options in terms of skills and perks for each class. The game is literally busy being numbers tuned like it's a full release when they Should be INSTEAD working on fundamental gameplay stuff.

Why would I play the game without MC or something to replace it. No build crafting. No player experimentation. No progression

[wind venture]

What we really need is a steam/epic game release

[digital magnet]

Gear is not character progression that's GEAR PROGRESSION. You know nothing of game design or rpgs apparently. The gear I'm this game can hardly be called character progression Lmao don't be dense. If you play wow you unlock new skills and talents for a long time. Same is true with any RPG. Elden ring has significantly more progression and choice. Dragons dogma ONE AND TWO have significantly more choice. The only progression is 0-15 after that it's nothing. Don't be a dense IM glazer. The only people who think MC is garbage is people who are garbage at the game. Real talk.

I'm gonna boycott the game till they actually add content XD there is nothing new besides MC and that's gones why would I play this game when it's the same as it was on drop. It's gonna be the same buff ball meta that it's been since the game fucking dropped at least MC you'd see a huge variety of shit being played.

[winter grove]

what is MC?

ohh, multiclassing

[digital magnet]

Yep it allowed the game to not be the same team comps with the same perks and spells every game. Now everyone will go back to the only one way of playing the game.

[echo perch]

Minecraft

[winter grove]

the patch is in progress right now, correct?

[vapid arch]

they're patching it in yes

[winter grove]

I only learned of multiclassing like 3 days ago, but I think it's a good idea they're removing it. It dilutes the classes too much

[hazy flower]

where can i see patch notes?

[vapid arch]

you say this like MC eliminated the concept of a meta

[vapid arch]

announcements

[hazy flower]

ty

[digital magnet]

No but it heavily obscured obfuscated and just generally gave people something to chew on instead of running buff ball every game. Now every match if u want to be competitive get ready to play buff ball again.

Like with MC you had a variety of meta builds and options without it you have no variety

Like idk how you guys are content playing the same buff ball meta we have been playing since release

[winter grove]

That's true, it did probably obfuscate things, you didn't know what to expect, but I still think class fantasy is more important. Maybe add more abilities that would disable buffballing? Like Druid root

[digital magnet]

Nah they'd rather tune numbers all day on a game that doesn't even have half the necessary features

[vapid arch]

your "variety of meta builds" was people running iron will anti magic, sprint, savage roar, and whatever else for 3rd and 4th perk

[digital magnet]

Or deal with "balance" on a game that's literally an alpha pretty much

[vapid arch]

you had some whacky things like achilles ranger and smite rogue but there was definitely more effective tactics, otherwise known as a meta, just like there was before MC

[digital magnet]

Maybe one per match sure but it definitely wasn't everyone. Not even a majority.

[vapid arch]

yeah ok this guy never played games during MC

[digital magnet]

Right but it wasn't ONLY ONE THING LOL

[hazy flower]

is this consdiered a new season now?