game-discussion

[fresh fulcrum]

Okay, thanks

[sinful gull]

I still get a error mindwiping my bard on test, ill try later and get back with new bardarian tech news, probably just during patch

[merry nest]

barb for base strength, reinforced instruments, any +weapon damage stuff and trueshot would prob be pretty meme

[sinful gull]

hmm what is there for weapon dmg i cant think of anything good, just 10% savage 50%ambush maybe

[jolly bear]

Is the patch completed?

[sinful gull]

wanna run the +10 movespeed with instru, on a sidenote the 50% weapon switching would probably seriously good for barb with bardiche or so

[merry nest]

i can only think of divine strike that would be usable right now so that might be it

uhhh

[sinful gull]

hell yeah with spell memory this could start to get really legit

[merry nest]

bloodstained blade does that work or is it melee only?

[dry marten]

i saw a barb with it on

[sinful gull]

lol... lvl 200 goals , should work yeah

bro... spell memory / music memory solo Barb with only instruments as weapons ?

[merry nest]

so +10 wep damage with bsb and divine strike plus 50% from reinforced instruments and then any +added dmg on top

[hard rock]

Jandles good games lately right

[dry marten]

i seen a barb with hide ambush and sword mastery yesterday, with a zweihander

[merry nest]

been alot of wild builds

[dry marten]

i myself am making a spear barb

im gonna shove it right up yalls butts tbh once i get the perk lmfao

[languid needle]

spear barb? are you a patient of the famous surgery, the lobotomy?

[hard rock]

Is it fun or no

[sinful gull]

it was my first goal but I got bad rolls

[merry nest]

not yet we will see with update

[hard rock]

How will update change

[dry marten]

yep i only have backstep rn its not the worst but i want the god damn spear lmfao

[languid needle]

nick, you dipass.. you are going to prison...

[merry nest]

hopefully less grindy, they said were gonna make it more accessable but didnt remove the timegated rng lol

[sinful gull]

i can tell you backstep tumble with spear was very interesting when i tried it on ranger there is so much you can do with it

[merry nest]

backstep double jump?

[dry marten]

i havent played rogue at all so it would take some time to get there

[merry nest]

its super good bro

[snow oxide]

Anyone know the new level for the multiclass

[sinful gull]

the minus movespeed breaks me

[livid shadow]

Anyone else waiting for servers to open up?

[exotic tiger]

devs lied once more

[opaque jackal]

why were the ruins removed from the game?

[merry nest]

yeah but the distance u get with backstep after the second jump and short cd kinda make up for it

[dry marten]

most patches are 2 hours so just expect it to be another 10 minutes sheesh

[sinful gull]

hmm yeah true

[merry nest]

if u jump at the right time u keep momentum too so u go even further

[sinful gull]

i played like a heavy crossbow ranger with backstep tumble and it got you so much distance that i basically had enough space to reload I never even moved basically, that would be sick with 2x jump

[dry marten]

tbh the community is not large enough to hold another map you already have empty lobbies or lobbies with 1 other team quite often

[tranquil blaze]

Oh wow, a further reduction in XP required? That's awesome! I may actually get to multiclass a bit lol. Does anyone know by how much yet?

[dry marten]

not until its donw maintenance

[merry nest]

no idea we will see, hopefully its stupid fast otherwise not worth

[cursive grail]

Is there anywhere to vote to remove multiclassing?

[keen abyss]

I loved that game, could you please reverse multiclassing so i can play again please?

[dry marten]

my bet is they will inevitable remove it tbh, it's not balanced at all

[merry nest]

i like the idea but yeah balance is atrocious

[dry marten]

they should work on the other classes they have planned rather than try this

[gentle wraith]

its fun while its in yeah but its gunna be a balancing nightmare for them

[sinful gull]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/542704/remove-universal-creep

[tranquil blaze]

Yeah, I hope so. I got an alt to 22 but man, I already don't want to keep leveling it lol

[dry marten]

where is the druid or necromancer

[opaque jackal]

they should just have some skills/perks from every class be exclusive to the class and not multi-classable

[tranquil blaze]

Probably won't be a necro, they might give warlock raise dead at some point

[merry nest]

i get it, there was never any need to grind before so it sucks for people who didnt level up beforehand

[sinful gull]

thats creep but ull find one in there too

[exotic tiger]

goblin caves to ruins with some static exits if u want to . ez problem fixed

[tranquil blaze]

Yeah, my main is at 77 but I'd like to get tumble for shits and gigs and I honestly don't enjoy rogue at all

[glossy barn]

Ask solo players, if solo mode was never introduced and development time was never wasted on the mode, we would have had plenty of new classes already

[cursive grail]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/546952/remove-multiclassing

[sinful gull]

im so stupid, i had trueshot on my bard this whole time. I still cant wipe but just noticed.... lets go

[tranquil blaze]

That's pretty unlikely, as much as I'd like to agree with you. The guy that makes classes has nothing to do with solo que, the reason druid isn't done is because he's had covid and been out for like a month. Poor guy

[sinful gull]

Confirmed trueshot works really well with drums, it spirals it doesnt fly straight which might be a good thing

[flint dune]

which one best on rogue you think guys: https://imgur.com/a/nmwQyWB

[gentle zodiac]

STILL CAN'T MINDWIPE

[flint dune]

im thinking slayer

[harsh stratus]

Weapon Mastery hands down. Unless you dont want range than the armor one

[harsh stratus]

Oh lol I'm ignorant that's slayer

[dawn gate]

nice.. lost all my perks and abilities from multiclassing

[noble fjord]

what the actual fuck where did all of my multiclassed perks and skills go for fuck sake

[flint dune]

hehe np 😄 thanks for helping

[sinful gull]

no way my ranger was BIS multiclassed

[merry nest]

10/10 update ironmace

[dawn gate]

same..

[noble fjord]

yep, same. what a shit show.

[merry nest]

just make it all available to us already cause this is dumb

[dawn gate]

no bro.. i'd rather them do this than when on the day multiclassing is done we have all these bugs

[sinful gull]

lol im good i got all my perks, are you sure guys ?

[vapid arch]

bro's back on his shit

at what point does it become the devs fault for doing something they insisted they didnt want to do and was a bad idea

[noble fjord]

it's all gone. relogging doesn't help.

[sinful gull]

thats crazy. Nothing happened for me.. gl on the rolls I guess

[flint dune]

slayer the best one out of these for rogue guys? what you think: https://imgur.com/a/nmwQyWB

[wet orchid]

same here :/

[sinful gull]

slayer fo sure

[daring junco]

my percs got rerolled

[arctic quest]

skills and passives RESET

RIP PATCH EVERYONE PANIC

[gentle zodiac]

MINE DID NOT GET RESET I STILL CAN'T MINDWIPE THO

[gentle wraith]

dang that sucks for yall all mine are chillin

[prisma seal]

Anyone else lose all their perks/skills/learning tokens from multiclassing? Can't even reset it.

[sinful gull]

yeah same and I got 2 new rolls

[tribal monolith]

@glad thunder critical bug in game where spells sometimes disappear from the wheel makes some classes unplayable

[arctic quest]

2 tokens and all wiped

[daring junco]

me too

[arctic quest]

@glad thunder HUGE PATCH PROBLEM

[sinful gull]

there is also the"report a bug".. thx for helpin

[tribal monolith]

I dont care

[flint dune]

holy shit my second roll for rogue ! oe ! https://imgur.com/a/Awxpbpu

[sinful gull]

ok i guess another rollback is coming"within the next few hours"

[fresh otter]

Only spells that i got yesterday are gone, the ones on my barbarian are still there

[sinful gull]

adrenalin but its a mid roll for rogues really

[analog lintel]

am i the only one that his multiclassing perks disapeaR ??

[wet orchid]

happened to alot of us unfortunately

[analog lintel]

And what are they going to do i legit rolled everything i wanted

[prisma seal]

Happened to me too, I lost all the multiclassing stuff

[analog lintel]

ill legit do smtg rly bad if it doesnt get fixed

[wet orchid]

probs another patch fix incoming

[tame pebble]

why the fuck cant i mind wipe

[knotty hound]

hot fix soon prob

[tame pebble]

holy fuh

[sinful gull]

got reinforced instruments on barb finally

[tame pebble]

what the heck were they fixing the first time? the mindwipe

[sinful gull]

and do they even know?

[tame pebble]

oh i see i also lost all my aquired perks

[muted tiger]

so we shouldnt play right?

[tame pebble]

and skills good bye warcleric

[sinful gull]

go to fortnite is what sdf said in general, bit toxic

[knotty hound]

just got smite on ranger im gonna be pressed if i have to reroll

[polar turret]

does crush work on daggers?

[fierce vale]

@glad thunder Here's an idea: If youre going to remove all the multiclass perks people have aquired, maybe give them back their tokens so they can get new ones. For fuck sake

[keen pivot]

anyone else getting a crash when trying to select specific characters?

[sinful gull]

rip alongside my bardarian

[muted tiger]

i lost the perks and the tokens on what i learned yesterday but kept everything from before the last wipe

[limber badge]

Bug and bugger

[sinful gull]

bro im running instrument barb with music mem and only song of shadow im basically him

[neon harbor]

I lost all of perks and things I learned.....wtf

[flint dune]

can you still chain lightning off a hydra?

i just got chain lightning as a pick for multiclassing on my warlock

[formal moon]

Ya, when ever there is a certan type of exploit. Like the rogue one, just don't play for a few days. Literally just burning away your time

[rocky kestrel]

fuck the missing perks and no tokens back, but still even can't reset tokens at fortune teller, but they hardly say in patch notes it has been fixed lol

[tranquil blaze]

This is quite interesting. All of the complaints about lost perks, while valid, can essentially be used to tell how many people actually like the multiclass system.

[neon harbor]

I had no problems before this hotfix...

[sinful gull]

they changed chain just like 2-3 patches ago id go look it up in patch notes

[flint dune]

invis or chain lightning on my warlock?

[glass relic]

invis

[formal moon]

Not even a little bit, those ppl had their time wasted then wasted again.

[fierce vale]

No it cannot. It's a fun gimmick for a little while, however it totally ruins the way the game is intended to play and feel

[flint dune]

but what about chain ligthning my own hyrda 😄

[arctic quest]

lvl 180 with no tokens

[glossy barn]

The game was intended to be exclusively comprised of 3 man teams. You better not being a solo player talking about the “intended direction and feel of the game”

[glass relic]

chain lightning is a long cast time on warlock and is predictable while invis is good safety and engage

[fierce vale]

It's still supposed to be a hardcore dungeonlike game, but if you want to run around shooting fireballs through your ass as a barb, then sure

[glossy barn]

It’s based off dungeons and dragons. Ever heard of it?

[tranquil blaze]

It wouldn't be considered wasted if they didn't enjoy the mechanic.

@fierce vale you don't say how the game is "intended" to be played, the devs do and clearly they "intend" on having multiclassing

[glossy barn]

I have a level 15 light cleric, a level 4 bard, and a level 6 necromancer fighter going on my current campaigns

multiclassing was always coming to dark and darker, they’d talked about it before day zero of playtest 1

[fierce vale]

No they dont? They are testing it and have said they may or may not remove it. Im calling it right now: it will be removed

[glossy barn]

You’re wrong and that’s okay 😄

Devs wanted multiclassing, and after the map choice debacle killing lobbies, hopefully the devs stop listening to Reddit and Discord

[tranquil blaze]

They've said they want multiclass since the very beginning. The only reason they may remove it is because some players are getting bent out of shape over it and IM doesn't know how to stand up to complainers and build what they want to.

[limber badge]

It did get removed for many with this latest patch

[glossy barn]

IE fucking solo mode

[tranquil blaze]

Exactly

[wraith hawk]

Learning token not recovered
Reward tokens are back

[dense kelp]

Did they increase the current character levels for this patch? Or just increase the exp gain when killing mobs?

[tranquil blaze]

I would like to know the adjustments as well, I won't be able to get on till later today

[wet orchid]

they adjusted levels accordingly, and lowered the amount of exp for each level

[tranquil blaze]

Oh sweet, I'd love to not have to play rogue anymore lol

[glossy barn]

There was a level bump for characters over a certain level, I think mine above 50 all got 40+ levels.

And they most recently reduced the amount of xp necessary to level

[cloud talon]

please add an accept all button for quests I'm going insane

[mortal frigate]

hey, they didnt fix the gear score cap right?

[tranquil blaze]

Agreed, all in good time

[dense kelp]

My friend has had multiple lvl 17 and 20 characters that didnt get bumped at all. So he’s basically quit because you only multiclass at 35 - he’s casual and works a lot

[glossy barn]

Can we get an auto fill button for quests post dungeon too?

[glossy barn]

Your friend with multiple characters pre xp changes doesn’t have a lot of time to play?

My Confusion aside, read the patch notes

[dense kelp]

Relatively speaking, 4x lvl 17’s require much less time than 4x lvl 70’s

[icy slate]

lost all multiclassed stuff :/ sadge

[agile elm]

yep they ruined my char too

[dense kelp]

Ty for info though, have a good day!

[arctic quest]

PROTEST

[steady cypress]

im so pissed i just logged in

[hot kettle]

lost all my learning tokens, and all the perks and skills i got from multi classing.... anybody else getting this issue?

[limber badge]

Inb4 rollback

[steady cypress]

im so fkn pissed

[tropic elk]

Yeah give rollback please. Got back all my reward tokens and got fuckall from 24 tokens total.

[steady scroll]

My partner and I are trying to play but game won’t let me in and he flies into the game after which my client gives me an error and throws me out

[steady cypress]

i had the best barb multiclass smh

[wintry scarab]

prob had sprint didnt u

[heavy yarrow]

Why cant i say the word c l o w n on this discord

[lament verge]

is it not possible for other classes to use spellbooks?

[steady cypress]

hide, creep, and ambush lol

[wet orchid]

i just pulled a kumas claw from the rewards wth lol

[lament verge]

whats the point of getting wizard spells if bard cant use them XD

[wintry scarab]

thats some skittle shit lol

[tranquil forum]

rollback coming soon

[dull imp]

why i can't forget all abilites after new timer?

[high cape]

i miss when maps would rotate with solo duo and trio i could get all my quests done without having to play with a random group

[steady scroll]

now i'm just stuck on the loading screen

[steady cypress]

@wintry scarab im really fked up in the head rn and not cuz of drugs and alcohol its because this game has done this to me

[naive seal]

This has been the worst trade deals of all trade deals!

[dim glacier]

RIP every week hot fixes at peak hours, new game breaking bugs every time. Rollbacks every week

[echo perch]

I didn't get my Mindwipe but I did get my reward tokens? lmao

[small radish]

so is it actually 3 days till the forget abilities comes back?

[wintry scarab]

i totally get it. idek if i should play bc they will just rollback my shit

[glossy barn]

Fighter with Backstep From Ranger, I’m out here playing Chivalry 2 now 😄

[sinful gull]

first game bardarian only got half the perks i need : 3 kills 2lute 1drum

[dense kelp]

YEs, if you had a character lvl 20 it is now 35

[steady cypress]

@wintry scarab right! im new to this game and its my favorite game ever and now im losing the passion because of all the bs

[sinful gull]

i can only imagine being new to this and witnessing to 2 patches with 2 major rollbacks in a row :/

[wintry scarab]

im new too only played for 2 weeks i absolutely love the game but they keep screwing with my stuff its ridiculous

[fierce ether]

Its the price you pay for early access dawg, it is what it is. Id say youd have a right to whine about it once the game gets its 1.0 release

[limber badge]

Everytime lmao

"It's EA therefore you can't complain"

[steady cypress]

ive played many early access games nothing was disappointing as this

[echo perch]

Still no unique from rewards 😦

[fierce ether]

Am I wrong? Why else would early access exist g? And that’s just a lie 🤣

[wintry scarab]

not whining bud if i was whining i would be in general chat like every other person rn

[steady cypress]

lol

[glossy barn]

Your hair is still wet from the womb then, stop complaining until you get some stubble on your game face

[tame pebble]

my barb cant wear helmets anymore

[limber badge]

You right, in fact I think every game in existence should be EA so they can avoid paying for QA and also avoid all criticism

[steady cypress]

we r just speaking our minds

[fossil badge]

Do you have the lizard skin equiped?

[fierce ether]

Not wrong, if I was a mod for general chat hella people would be getting banned 😭

[wintry scarab]

fr

[fierce ether]

Bad faith take 🤷‍♂️

[wintry scarab]

no one was talking to u lol? get the tampon out ur ass

[limber badge]

Wdym this is literally what you're saying
It's ea so we can't complain

[steady cypress]

im just so fkn sad cant stress it enough lol

[fierce ether]

So would you be mad that a roll back happened in a EA game or a fully released game?

[limber badge]

Both?

[rustic laurel]

why does divine protection not activate bro

[sinful gull]

They are probably gonna be able to just reroll the perks just play normal and w8 a few hours itll be allright

[median hearth]

when they add druid ?

[steady cypress]

they shouldnt have made this a thing in the first place this is some urf shit from league lol

[supple pier]

in your dreams

[stark flint]

I fng hate this game and yet I keep giving it another chance. Forcing solo players to either play Omaha beach goblin cave over and over, or fight against duos and trios. Fk you with that.

[glossy barn]

I’m much funnier than you and have 40 jokes to write still today

You wanna do this? Or you wanna sit in your baby seat and observe since your brand new to the game and therefor in no position to be making complaints about how IM is fucking you?

[fierce ether]

Id be upset but understanding that making a game is nothing like playing it, but if a fully released game was doing this chit id be pretty pissed off

[wintry scarab]

jesus bro took 2-3 business days to type this just for me to not read it or gaf lol

[fierce ether]

He should go spam the same copy pasta in general to really show IM how mad he is

[wintry scarab]

fr hes one salty dumbfuck

[mortal frigate]

really, the gear score cap is a bullshit of the highest

a rogue with full blue/purple (with +8 true damage xd) can go against a full green

[inland ginkgo]

@oblique isle if the skills on characters multiclass options were reset then the mindwhip timer should too

[ashen cradle]

ppl saying theres a dupe too ssmh

[formal moon]

False equivlancy. In order to be competitive you have to waste your time grinding other classes. So ofc ppl will be mad when the class they didn't even want to play to get the RNG tokens. Gets rolled back.

[clear blade]

holy cow man... remove this dumb multiclassing, there's no point to it.

[stark flint]

Having fun already? 😄

What a hustle.

[slow holly]

Just make the RNG tokens free access?

[dense kelp]

DOes blood pact remove your weapon's damage because you go bare handed?

[left goblet]

devs try not the break the game with each patch challenge: IMPOSSIBLE !!!!

[slow holly]

Like, you use the class tokens first, and any "free" tokens to cover any costs not covered.

[glossy idol]

Yay another problem find out what next weeks problem of the week is with dark and darker!

[pallid tree]

no 4/20 dnd for you

[glossy idol]

Bc there’s only 2 brackets 0-299

[robust sigil]

why cant i mind wipe still???

[formal moon]

The token system is just a time sink mechanic to force engagement metrics so the epic games studio will let them on

[unreal obsidian]

The dev cycle for this game is amateur at best..

[formal moon]

[icy slate]

that is okay, they are doing what they want to do and they are still doing a good job

[harsh stratus]

It's called prototypical scrum (or spiral, thin line) and they are actually doing it... basically exactly as it should be done

[stark flint]

Copium my friend. Highest quality copium. Good job.

[limber badge]

[jagged kindle]

So many people complain and complain like just quit the game if you aren’t enjoying it and come back when a new update comes out 😂 they literally said that this multi class system may not even stay in the game they just need further testing 😂 y’all cry too much

[lunar summit]

honestly its a wild ride but I'm still here for it

[limber badge]

Hey can you stop crying about cryers please? Thanks

[icy slate]

not at all, this might not be corporation quality most americans have been taught to expect. The game is fun and its good. It's not copium to cite positive feedback.

[stark flint]

I'm too old for this shit. Yup, your argument is true and innovative. Nobody thought about that before. Thanks for helping us!

[unreal obsidian]

@harsh stratus not true my friend.. these problems are self induced by mediocre coding. Prototyping is meant to be completed before customers visit the product. It's also a good way of saying, we can't make a good product the first time around, nor the 2nd, nor the 3rd.

[icy slate]

amen brother ^_^

[stark flint]

Why the american slap? I'm not American. Am I allowed to have expectations?

[jagged kindle]

Everyone complaint is probably just warlock mains who are upset cause they aren’t the only op class anymore 😂

[vital jungle]

Remove multi classing

[stark flint]

https://tenor.com/view/confetti-genial-fabulouus-fabulous-fab-gif-13642634

[rough whale]

this is straight up the worst experience

[timid sky]

how do you reroll multiclass tokens?

[primal oyster]

are the devs aware of the resetting not working of the mindwipe? it doesnt seem to be mentioned in the announcements

[violet merlin]

@glad thunder Any chance we can get a reset for the fortune teller? Even though the timer is working correctly (i think), I still missed my reset on friday because of the bug...

[formal moon]

I would say they did a good job orginally creating the game, aside from that they've displayed their incompetance

[sinful gull]

i hope they dont roll back anything for me as I had no issues and the god roll on my bardarian

[granite mulch]

i don't get why you're so harsh towards them this is a fun game and it's not a big company it started out with 3 developers and they're still keeping it small

[unreal obsidian]

Direct patching to server with hours of downtime alone immediately tells me that there is a problem in their dev cycle set up

[jagged kindle]

And it’s still in pre season it’s not even fully released yet cause they want it to be good and ready. Why so many people want this game to be like a COD release where the game is only half done is beyond me

[dense kelp]

does demon form/blood pact remove your weapon damage since you go bare handed? do you also lose all your equipment's buffs?

[formal moon]

Because they've done a lot of things to make the game worse for no reason. They could have simply not done 50% of all choices they made and would be a net postive for player population

[unreal obsidian]

They have made more than 35,000,000 dollars.. keeping it small for what? to pocket the money of course

[tame pebble]

bet we lose rolls from this morning

[crimson anchor]

plz tell me i can extract from my raid

[icy slate]

how have they made 35 million? where is this statistic listed?

[formal moon]

I'm sure the large majority of that has gotten eaten up by cost

[dense kelp]

they should just allow unlimited rerolls, fair. since its a test right

[jagged kindle]

Did everyone also forget they had to win a lawsuit and that cost money too

[icy slate]

^not a bad idea

[runic mango]

Any word on if/when poison weapon will work with bow/hand xbow/xbow/etc.... literally only works on rapiers and daggers atm

[graceful drift]

more maintenance please on weekends

[jolly bear]

Updates during the weekend 🙂 I love it

[icy slate]

if you have reported a bug, that would be helpful 🙂

[runic mango]

I have indeeed reported

[left goblet]

ggs, i poured 2000 hours into this game but never again. thanks for all the raging hours

[pallid tree]

Just play bauldersgate 3 its better than waiting around doing jack shite

[pearl sluice]

is there a rollback?

[jagged kindle]

You will not be missed

[peak rock]

why does no one play test server

[left goblet]

idgaf if im not missed the games down to under 10k average players its killing itself intentionally

[unreal obsidian]

Very simple: It's hard enough to balance a game with several characters who each have several skills/perks. You introduce multiclass and expect to balance it easier? lol. This is very simple stuff to logically think through

[peak rock]

it takes forever for a lobby to start in test

[craggy shadow]

HAHAH bro puts 2k hour in a game to say he doesnt like it anymore 😦

[jagged kindle]

Still pre season not even fully released 👍🏻

[runic mango]

[formal moon]

The whole game is a test server, i don't need to be on alpha patch alpha server

[left goblet]

test servers are useless

[pallid tree]

bro you got a big head 😂

[unreal obsidian]

@jagged kindle That's the business these days.. fkn tarkov is still beta for example

[peak rock]

what?

[cloud rain]

i love this season... really enjoyed the XP grind leading up to the multiclass patch, and now my rogue is super strong 🤓

[jagged kindle]

I rather have updates weekly and then working toward new content instead of no updates for months upon months and have bugs and glitches for all those months

[granite mulch]

this is the best season yet

[formal moon]

In tarkov's defense. Their problems are core game issues with the netcode they've been trying to walk back

[runic mango]

The game is in early access, it's all a test, in active development.... before going to 1.0 launch. why does the "test server" even need to exist ?

[unreal obsidian]

@jagged kindle bugs and balancing should be prioritized in front of new content....

[north surge]

did we get are daily roll back today yet?

[unreal obsidian]

New content only introduces more bugs on top of the unresolved bugs. How many of you here actually do this for a living? lol

[wintry dove]

Season rewards lost in previous rollbacks will be restored.

THis means i get back the unique item i got previous the rollback ?

[jagged kindle]

And they are trying to patch it obviously they got maintenance happening to fix things up quickly

[fierce ether]

Then why message not once, but twice? Either a sad person or chit bate

[runic mango]

If by doing this for a living you mean arm chair/reddit game devs then yes.

[granite mulch]

probably because they didn't want to release multiclassing without any testing prior since it's that big of a change

[unreal obsidian]

@runic mango lol

[nimble magnet]

I think they should tighten the movement speed reductions and increases, lower movespeed gear like plate could stand to be a bit faster while the fastest gear could stand to be a bit slower, that plus the movespeed cap reduction would make fighting much more bearable

[unreal obsidian]

This game will never see a full live launch.. that's not the goal or plan of this company..

[runic mango]

Guess what... It's not released... you paid to be an alpha tester. get over it.

[left goblet]

i am sad. i spent 2000 hours in a game thats shitting itself on the bed XD

[robust mica]

The reason nothing makes sense is because the devs listen to streamer feedback. The reason nothing works is because they’re inexperienced.

[unreal obsidian]

@runic mango yes, because the gaming industry has forced that as the norm now.

[granite mulch]

bro get over what ? i said i love the game and this is the best season yet go bait someone else xD fucking -iq troll

[fierce ether]

Then play a different game til the steam release

[tame pebble]

will we be able to mindwipe after patch

[cloud rain]

you got 2000 hours of entertainment and now you're mentally collapsing because of some minor bullshit... hmmge

[formal moon]

ya feels bad, dev's decided to please a bunch of fair weather gamers and bit off more than they could chew

[runic mango]

What's that ? gimme gimme gimme now now now.... release hot garbage and fix it in post ?

[left goblet]

its not minor at all , ive been through every playtest. i know what minor bullshit is, this is just a tad bit more than that

[tulip ermine]

clerics -3 damage on all incoming damage does not work when you multiclass it into warlock. it should let him cast spells for free but it does not unless this is intended it's a bug.

[runic mango]

That's like going to the movies and them adding SFX while you're getting popcorn or taking a wee...

[granite summit]

multiclassing is amazing

[runic mango]

[robust mica]

Damage vs cost

[fierce ether]

So you consider a roll back worse then when we had to decode a hex number to find the download link to the blacksmith launcher?

[fickle locust]

For now : )

[cloud rain]

idk bro, the game is still totally fine for me... so i have no clue what you're talking about... gotta be minor bullshit you're blowing up

[slow holly]

That's not incoming, that's self-inflicted.

[craggy shadow]

hes just a little kid whos ipad got taken away so he has to cry now bc he doesnt get what HE wants 😦

[tulip ermine]

so if i cut myself with a knife - even though it's self inflicted it's not incoming? of course it is

[zinc tiger]

?

[robust mica]

Law 27. You joined a cult

[abstract siren]

cool yeah i love having to stop playing because of an "emergency" all because the test server wasnt used properly.

[left goblet]

i got 2000 hours of fun on this game im not ccrying because im not getting what i want, im just tired of every patch breaking the game, every other patch having duping issues

[runic mango]

[glossy barn]

multiclassing is awesome and I dont care what anyone says. Im running a fighter with backstep while blasting MC Hammer on VoIP, cant touch this!

[slow holly]

Yes, but the hp cost is more at core than that too.

[fierce ether]

Thats the joy of EA, well come to the ride.

[robust mica]

You’re paying a cost it’s not damage

[gaunt lava]

wow, made it out with my new barb and instantly jumped to level 4 o-o

[drifting hinge]

Love the multiclass

[abstract siren]

why spend the time building a testing environment only to never use it? you know how you stop these "emergencies"? PROPER TESTING

[slow holly]

Er, that would be incoming, rather.

[tulip ermine]

it's 3 total without pain mastery, but if it's intended that's fair enough

[left goblet]

the same excuse everyone makes to excuse poor development, it gets old at some point

[runic mango]

LOVE IT. AMAZING LOL. I got a MIka rogue running around telling people they need Jesus as i pickpoket them.

[slow holly]

But like, you are casting from within yourself, like, it's not coming from outside anywhere, so where is it incoming?

[winter grail]

MAINTENANCE AND MANTAINANCER

[little obsidian]

yall really need to just give the test server access to everything without the grind, no one paid extra for HTL edition to have to grind again. defeats the purpose of the test server if no one wants to grind out just to test it (which they don't)

[tulip ermine]

im paying the cost of 3 damage - therefore i think it should be reduced. it's incoming from casting the spell

[fierce ether]

Well have you made a game before? Managed a team of people? Or have you only played games = you know how when should be made

[winter grail]

multiclassing just needs to be its own game mode, like every other game has modes you can select.

[tulip ermine]

INTENDED NOT BUG

[glossy barn]

ya dude, everyones out here seeking the one shot build, but crossbow mastery and backstep on fighter are quietly absurd perks

[runic mango]

Roll the whine back to before the choice to go no rubber...

[slow holly]

Expectation vs realism moment. 😛

[fierce ether]

Crossbow mastery on bard is even more broken lmao

[glossy barn]

oh god XDDD

[fierce ether]

Fully buffed up each bolt can do like 25% of your hp

[twin briar]

what else can we cook for bard multiclassing

[fierce ether]

Slayer bard is also broken, watch Y4mi’s vid on it

[runic mango]

Too many people are forgetting the most important part about this whole deal....ITS A GAME!!! HAVE FUN! Don't keep whining about every little change that doesn't go your way and let you be a turbo sweat 24/7.

[robust mica]

Stolen game design obviously it’s been a nightmare the entire time they’re using the community to design a product after charging said community to access it

[slow holly]

I remember when Bard was the Jack of all Trades, not the Jack of all Mains.

[formal moon]

just adding fighter to any other class is busted. similar to cleric

[proven horizon]

I need poison, fire and ice arrows in my life x.x

[winter grail]

with it being in its own game mode they could have perfected its bugs before going live, that way it wouldn’t tamper with the time and effort everyone has already put into previous kits.

[dense grove]

Main of all Jacks would be funnier

[fierce ether]

Nexon simp 🥺🥺

[twin briar]

people would have to play the test server

[fickle locust]

So With the multi class in play, is this game heading into BR territory? Cause coop/extraction will die with this gameplay. Everything being the same helps with PvP competitiveness

[formal moon]

game is definitely better quality than most AAA's tbh. esp when they release

[young olive]

any idea when it will be back up today?

[twin briar]

all the sweats that sgrinded never got to pvp really on the test server

[runic mango]

I'm fully maulding over the fact that no bows of any kind are getting the poison weapon proc... I had it all planned out as soon as they announced multi. Saved gear with mag bonus and all just for it only to not work is a kick to the stones.

[rocky frigate]

Patch and Patcher

[bright ridge]

is there gonna be a rollback?

[robust mica]

Burden of proof falls on the plaintiff. Lack of proof does not equal innocent

[formal moon]

the real sweats were grinding in the real game for tokens

[runic mango]

1ish hour from 15 mins ago.

[cloud rain]

ranged poison attacks don't show on the dummy, but they still work (for rogue at least)

[rugged ore]

game patcher simulation 2024 newly released

[robust mica]

So 45 mins if you have a brain

[young olive]

thank my fellow gamer

[runic mango]

Source ? I tested with a friend and handy wasnt proccing it last night.

[calm musk]

game concept and gameplay for sure it is. game devs? updates? game path and atts? theyre not even close IM seems to do everything in its tighs and hope the community will endure :/

[slow holly]

True, but you can completely dual-class with the current system, with a spare token, from the leveling alone. And the extra tokens are free for whatever you're hunting for. Bard is an excellent base class for this.

[formal moon]

Yes💯

[runic mango]

My version of tism says that you're being mean and condesnding over the way i chose to describe the time based on the announcment and that just isnt very nice. I hope you have a better day friend...

[cloud rain]

repoze said it works

[robust mica]

Your version of time sounds high on shrooms

[runic mango]

Oh well then it must be true... /s

[cloud rain]

i understand it's not conclusive proof, no reason for you to be condescending... maybe this community as a whole would benefit from more kindness and maturity

[runic mango]

Not today. Sat is usually my THC and cleanse day.... Shrooms are for Sunday at church.

[robust mica]

Happy 4/20

[cloud rain]

either way, handcrossbow + poison has never shown on dummy... maybe test it again with another friend

[runic mango]

I'm just saying, I actually tested it myself and it wasn't working. You said some streamer says it's working and that's 100% proof ? How does he even know ? Does he ask everyone he shoots if they like the poison stacks ?

[cloud rain]

also realize that you're dealing less than 1 damage per tick, so you need multiple ticks to see your health change... and it might be easiest to just pay attention to your status symbols and check if it shows poison

[calm musk]

honestly i belive it had more kindness but now everybody is so fed up that it gets devided in those who still belive the game vision and those who are hanging in a tread before unistalling the game :/

[harsh stratus]

You're talking about a game where the developers are actively culling nice people by increasing rewards for PvP. They foster toxicity... this isn't a kind community.

[runic mango]

With Ranger having Poison weapon, using any projectile weapons, it was not working.

[tranquil blaze]

The class didn't get rolled back though. Literally just the RNG perks got lost and if people are getting upset about lost RNG skills and perks then that implies that they cared about those skills/perks. Some may have been for competitive reasons but I'd wager a decent amount are upset because they liked the new gameplay.

All we usually see is the people complaining about not liking something, this is a rare insight into how much people valued the change.

[runic mango]

Wearing gear specifially for add magic damage in every slot possible, like +12 worth. When using a rapier it works just fine and ticks for 15/16 pertick with stacks.

[cloud rain]

sure, there's a chance it's bugged for rangers

[tranquil blaze]

Fostering PvP is not inherently fostering toxicity, competitive PvP just happens to breed toxicity because most people don't know how to be respectful of competition aka "good sportsmanship".

[peak crypt]

I rerolled my BIS perks and got garbage because of the bugged perks.

I think i’m screwed even post update.

[dense kernel]

truth

[proven horizon]

It's hard to turn, "Murder everyone" off. Which is where the toxicity comes from in PvP. It's like asking everyone to have an identity of psycopathy or split personality disorder. I think toxicity is healthy, as well as there being a voice of reason in the room. Like a mod. It just comes with pvp 🙂

[dense grove]

You just didn't get what I was saying but that's okay.

[glossy idol]

Its not even the other players tho its ur own team XD

[peak crypt]

I think i know a few involving Hide lol

[fallow mulch]

which class is the best rn?

[glossy idol]

Delete they will ban u for admitting trying to glitch

[flat nebula]

yes

[peak crypt]

Nope dont think so. I have hit people in hide and they didnt come out of stealth @glossy idol I don’t know how it works and havent tried. Just saw it

[glass relic]

reloading crossbow in phantomize

[glossy idol]

U cant even discuss exploiting be careful man they had a whole group of ppl trying to get a streamer banned just for making a video ab the rogue glitch

Agreed

[peak crypt]

getting banned from this game is probably the best thing for my mental health (and my hygiene) lmao.

[sonic oracle]

Please don’t roll back

[hard rock]

This game good right

[glossy idol]

Far from

Mod sees that and insta bans XD

[hard rock]

How come?

[glossy idol]

I mean u just entered and the game was just shut down for an hour because of yet again another game breaking bug

[peak crypt]

Oh boy getting banned from this SERVER and not the GAME would actually be really great lmao

[glossy idol]

Then u have to deal with gathering hall peeps which might arguably be worse

[robust sigil]

Will they allow us to mindwipe after error again, or do we have to wait 3 days

[light flume]

does jokester also buff you?

[peak crypt]

I’m betting on the worst, so, probably no mind wipe til Tuesday and i lost all my BIS perks because i rerolled lol

[glossy idol]

yes

[glossy idol]

Same and so did my boy gotta wait 3 more days with 0 perks

[peak crypt]

I had advance healer and perseverance on warlock. Signed in post hot fix and got poison weapon before realizing all the cleric perks were gone RIP
Wish i hadnt rerolled but oh well. Time to try to get bloodpact soul collector barbarian

[gentle wraith]

man im just tryna run my balanced lil claeric/fighter build im not doing no cuthroat slayer smite rogue shit just let me play

[glossy idol]

I had robust rage and weapon mastery rogue im so mad

[peak crypt]

Does cutthroat work on bows? Is cutthroat survival bow just an autowin on casters?

[glossy idol]

Thats insane actually yeah it is

bc it works on crossies

[silver cove]

does it actually? heard several people say no

[peak crypt]

Ive only heard that about poison weapon

[silver cove]

this mutliclass system got me all types of confused lmao

[peak crypt]

Lol yeah

[glossy idol]

Cuthroat bow might actually be meta come to think not only does it affect casters it removes demon form and stops the bard from buffing

[hard rock]

Ribcage should I buy the premium edition or the regular edition

[runic mango]

Yes it works.

[harsh swan]

Yeah poison never worked on range weapon even for the rogue handcrossbow before

[silver cove]

huge w

[runic mango]

Very huge. Last night I was using on my Ranger to just nulify all the heals/buffs/spells on opponents. With resource giving better cooldowns now I had it at like 8 secs per shot...

[light flume]

rupture, posion wep, hide, ambush ranger?

[runic mango]

Poison/rupture aren't working on arrows for ranger atm

Or poison on spear for that matter not sure about rupture tho...

[light flume]

i dont think it should lol i mean i like multi class but some combos are just to good

[harsh swan]

Rupture should be working btw! It was working before with the handcrossbownof the rogue

[light flume]

install kill type shit

[runic mango]

It's for sure not with recurve

[nimble magnet]

im jonesin, need that game back

[harsh swan]

U want a 1 shot build? Try a barbaran with stealth and a double axe 😂 imagin dealing 150 dmg in 1 hit

[nimble magnet]

warlock can do that with his blow of corrup and will stacking normally

[light flume]

exactly what i mean like holy moly man

[runic mango]

My plan from the start when they announced multi was poison ranger with a survi and just going ham with arrow spam... sad it's not working.

[formal moon]

You're conflating two things that are not equal. People are mad their time is getting wasted. No one wants to have re play the slot machine

[proven horizon]

That's the plan

[runic mango]

Insta 5 stacks with quick shot... yes please.

[glossy idol]

Rogue windlass and ambush or Wizard/Warlock BOC ignite

[nimble magnet]

they spent all this time class balancing and then threw in multiclassing to fuck it all up, i wouldnt be surprised if they scrapped the whole thing

[glossy idol]

120 both base kit

[last iris]

Easier to balance multi class when each class is already close to balanced individually. Makes “what’s wrong” more clear

[harsh swan]

Soon ita gonna be like everything! Its gonna have a meta of 3 or 4 overpower class! But at least now u can try many things to match even more your playstyle and i loooove it

[rancid pulsar]

I believe gbmm is not a good change multiclass is fine but for newer players gbmm is absolute hell!

[proven horizon]

I'm gonna try that, i was thinking survival bow, pure true damage, and poison. I call it, the Slap and Tickle build.

[glossy idol]

Devs: Make invis pot knowledge go up so barb cant hide invis, Also devs: Add multiclassing so barbarian can use a bow and now move while invis with ambush

[silver cove]

that is actually such a clever way of keeping pressure on, and waiting 8 seconds between uses is crazy

[fathom bison]

anyone tryed plate barb?

[runic mango]

[glossy idol]

Rlly bad

[rancid pulsar]

shi is bad

[marble beacon]

I'm here

[nimble magnet]

as long as plate keeps your movement speed as slow as it is, itl almost always be a bad choice

[harsh swan]

I saw one! In my team slownas fuck but cant die! A really good front line for a team with poke

[glossy idol]

At that point just run fighter with rage instead of sprint

[runic mango]

I think it was 8 with only like 25~30 resourcefullness... If i speccd into it for like 40+ i bet it would be down to 6 seconds or less.

[fathom bison]

whats yalls go tos right now

[sonic oracle]

will they do a roll back now ?

[marble beacon]

vodka

[fathom bison]

seek help brotha

[runic mango]

no.

[glossy idol]

If u wanna run plate i would suggest warlock soul collector with demon form and plate armour when u go demon form with 10 shards u gain +10 all atts and are fast asf with pdr still

[fallow mulch]

what should i play rn

[sonic oracle]

I mean like will they roll back the last hour ?

[sinful gull]

Noita

[glossy idol]

With yourself ain shi else to do but rub da worm

[harsh swan]

Use ur brain and try anything u like 😂

[silver cove]

that sounds crazy good, making the scraps more tactical and rangers having more influence on opposing teams other than tagging their health

[sonic oracle]

because i got some great skills from the train thingy

[sinful gull]

Done that on first patch

[nimble magnet]

i just run soul collector and go corrupt and reflect and just use melee, stack 10 souls but blow never uses the souls so youre always doing double damage with will scaling, can crank someone for like 14 while your dark reflection hits for like 50 60

[fallow mulch]

i dont know whats good bro

[sinful gull]

I cant keep up with this update cycle bruh

[nimble magnet]

stack movespeed and damage. congrats you win every class

[runic mango]

Yea it's rewarding and effective. These are the kinds of things I would like to see stay with the multiclass idea, while limiting some of the more ridiculous op ones.

[harsh swan]

Who cares? Play something that match ur playstyle and try things out?

[marble beacon]

seems like casting kinda sucks. too much magic resist in the game now. Playing ranged melee just seems like a joke in comparison

[queen roost]

anyone know if advanced healer works on Warlock's torture mastery?

[glossy idol]

Yeah but with the demon form they arent running from u and u stay at max health because of the glowing hands perk while in demon form plus u have like 310 move speed in plate

[sinful gull]

Fellow solo player?

[nimble magnet]

the swings on demon form feel really funky, like half of em never connect

[silver cove]

yeah, i agree with you on that

[glossy idol]

U just gotta be practically inside of them lmao'

[nimble magnet]

i mean you dont even need to be inside them for normal punches lmao

[sonic oracle]

Casting in solo would destroy clerics almost always.

[glossy idol]

Yeah the animation is kinda clunky ill agree with that \

[fathom bison]

somoneone spot me 100g to buys some pots with

[marble beacon]

good question. some of the perks don't seem to work properly. I was using the warlock on hit damage perk and it didn't seem to work from range. can't remember if it says melee or physical though tbh.

[nimble magnet]

but yeah having plate just for like one class to be viable means the ms reductions are too hard. i think if they just shrunk the distance between lowest and highest people would use plate more

[marble beacon]

Mostly. but even in teams it feels clunky

[queen roost]

Ok, I got it right when server starting patching so I couldnt test lol

[glossy idol]

Very true but it does make the platelock class building like 200 gold for a full purple kit XD

[nimble magnet]

the only good thing about no one wanting plate, lmao

[glossy idol]

Yep cheap eshi XD

[sinful gull]

I thought magic dmg is going hard in trios, especially duos. For me in solo Wiz feels super strong but at the same time dies to any rogues / ranger even looking at him it just feels wrong

[harsh swan]

Poison dont work from fist attack 😦 i would like to have a demons poison

[nimble magnet]

i might just go run a full plate fighter, see how things go. just for fun.

[marble beacon]

hey can anyone answer if you can get spells on a melee class? there seems to be no synergy but I was curious. Do you automatically get spell casting if you roll a spell or do you need to roll spell casting then get a spell? Or is it even possible?

[runic mango]

First you have to roll for spell memory, then you roll to find the spells you want.

[fathom bison]

does boc work on ranged attacks

[nimble magnet]

multiclassing is a thing atm, dont 100 expect it to stick around but for the time being yeah

[sinful gull]

yes you can, there are tons of buffs aswell for melee in particular, unlock spell mem first then the spells show up

[dry marten]

achilles strike works with bows so

[dry swallow]

YO GUYS IM NEW TO DARK AND DARKER WHAT CLASS SHOULD I PLAYU?

[nimble magnet]

wana be melee ranged or spellcasting

[lime crow]

Go with fighter first

[sinful gull]

I think someone just said it doesnt, after testing it

[harsh swan]

Fighter, the easier rounded class but feel free to try anything,

[marble beacon]

well if you can hit your shots either curse of pain or say zaps I think its super strong. but for the average player I think its a mess trying to land spells on a melee class running you down at 300 speed.

[dry swallow]

okay cool

[nimble magnet]

no i mean which do you wana be

[dry swallow]

ill try fighter

[nimble magnet]

fighters a good start

[silver cove]

does anyone know if barbs savage perk would be beneficial for rangers to run?

[dry swallow]

is there like a meta class to the game or is everything balanced?

[dry marten]

nothing is balanced rn lol

[nimble magnet]

nothing is balanced with multiclassing, the game is a mess rn do whatever you want

[marble beacon]

thank you @nimble magnet thank you

[lime crow]

its so unbalanced rn its kinda balanced 😄

[nimble magnet]

the problem with the multiclassing is theres just gunna be a meta build soon that EVERYONE is gunna roll and just, not be fun anymore

[rapid arrow]

ive turned 26 today gentleman its time to be my own man with my own benefits

[marble beacon]

I think not. There are way too many other perks that would synergize more

[brittle vault]

run the no chest piece for 10% PDB then run ambush sharp shooter and berserker put yourself on 1 hp use hide +recklass attack windlass crossbow

[gleaming cedar]

Cleric is also a decent start. If solo, PvP with it is out of the question, but the healing allows you to learn more about the PvE.

[formal reef]

I agree, everything is so chaotic and broken that they nuetralize themselves

[lime crow]

Something like that yea, i hope it gets removed, or made into its own playlist or gamemode

[lime crow]

facts borther

[nimble magnet]

agreed

[primal oyster]

so ok @sdf bro you still didn't fix fortune teller mindwipe reset bug....is this a joke???

[fathom bison]

it just let me launch

[timid sky]

Does slayer work with crystal ball?

[sinful gull]

lets go! happy bday

[opal plank]

yes and hand crossbow apparently

[silver cove]

ah fairs

[rapid arrow]

thank you ❤️

[marble beacon]

You're right about that. You can already kinda see what synergizes really well in theory

[timid sky]

lmao

[marble beacon]

good luck in there boys

[silver cove]

Happy birthday! Ill see you in the dungeon

[lime crow]

you too g

[white pumice]

dead game

[rapid arrow]

thank you! may these dungeons bring the finest of loots today!

[marble beacon]

we all die eventually

[primal oyster]

so ok @glad thunder bro you still didn't fix fortune teller mindwipe reset bug....is this a joke???

[silver cove]

Same goes for you!

[nimble magnet]

itl be a matter of time before everyones just running x class with x class. its meta streamer bait, need to remove multi classing.

[sinful gull]

patch dropped, time for a new dupe!

[nimble magnet]

ITS BACK UP BOYS GET IN THE DUNGEON

[gleaming cedar]

Will you stop spamming and actually READ the announcements?

[robust sigil]

Why can’t we mind wipe still 😦

[primal oyster]

i am in game boss...it's not working you are wrong.

[hollow knoll]

how many levels do you need per learning token?

[sinful gull]

all good patches come in 3s right ?

[runic mango]

get to 35 the 1/5 levels but it goes up at higher levels...

[noble kraken]

is the mind wipe still broken?

[formal moon]

🤣

[jaunty topaz]

why does every patch break the game now and requires emergency patch

[formal moon]

because we have "veteran" devs

[echo perch]

THE MINDWIPE STILL DOESNT WORK

[formal moon]

🤣

[echo perch]

What is going on omg this is hilarious

[sinful gull]

"mindwipe" like, is that what intellectuals call a bong hit ? wtf is that name even, no wonder its not working...

[brittle vault]

why isnt the mind wipe just on a 12 hour timer for when you personally use it I dont play during the week bc of work so i miss tuesday and possible friday mindwipe thats a stupid system especially if were supposed to test it

[primal oyster]

it's 4/20 and it shows

[whole snow]

At 35 you get one token, they 40 you get one more.
Then it’s 50, 60, and 70.
Sometime After they it goes by every 20

[sinful gull]

yeah either there is wipe or not, if they put these long timers on it again favors the crazy grinders, because they got 13 perks to reroll and new players got 5 to get exactly what they want

[brittle vault]

yeah they need to give them out way more everyone should be able to full multiclass by atleast level 50- 75 range being lvl 100 on multiple characters is asking alot

[sinful gull]

Why are we not talking about how sexist it is to introduce multiclassing before multigendering, I wanna play genderfluid femboi Barb

[hollow knoll]

Not sure the intent is to have everyone just able to make whatever class

[sinful gull]

My new name aging like fine wine btw

[hexed merlin]

yo I just pulled a unique ring from

[night pier]

terrible idea mixing the classes abilities

[runic mango]

Oh soo brave and edgy. How do you manage it ?

[sinful gull]

that is edgy to you ?

[tame pebble]

still no Mind Wipe??????

[runic mango]

[odd gale]

give me a sleep spell.....

[runic mango]

Anime freak ?

[odd gale]

TRIGGERED!! mind my emotion

[tame pebble]

Mind Wipe?

[polar talon]

imagine being offended in 2024 kekw

[runic mango]

I'm not offended by anything ? I was calling out a troll for being a trolll... ?

[gleaming cedar]

Edgy? What you meant to say was cringe.

[winter grail]

BRING BACK MAP ROTATION @glad thunder

[sinful gull]

word 😂

[burnt marlin]

What is the point of continuing to lower the amount of xp required? Might as well make the game classless and give us all perks. Such an odd time in DaD

[floral rover]

Did anyone else miss learning token? I didnt get mine when i dinged 100.

[tight kernel]

when is the game dropping on epic???

[languid tartan]

did anyone else wipe before they fixed it

mindwipe and fucked their class

[bitter river]

people still playing this shit game? damn

[marble tangle]

People still bitching about people playing this game? Damn.

[bitter river]

sucking the devs off

[marble tangle]

Sucking me off.

[bitter river]

fanbuy getting buttheart

game has been a mess for so long and the devs are nothing but idiots

[marble tangle]

Cool. So... Leave? I know, it's a big brain idea.

[bitter river]

I already left, havent played in a long time

Im telling you bro, this devs are completely clueless, they dont care, they will kill this game

Everyone I know and have ever played with quit this shit because the devs ruin it

[marble tangle]

Yet you're in this discord, complaining that people are playing a game you don't like.

[winter grail]

BRING BACK MAP ROTATION

[bitter river]

Wrong, I loved the game, hate the devs for ruining it

[high nebula]

I wonder sometimes if that's the goal, maybe they gave up and want the player base to give up as well

[bitter river]

I swear, Ive been trying to contact the devs, Im an educated game developer, just offering help, you think they even care to reply? nope

Ive been super passionate about this game, but every patch it just keeps falling

[high nebula]

People since the beginning told these guys to stop listening to reddit and make the game they sold to us from steam.

That's what people wanted but they kept making changes and balances and now we're at this point XD

[formal moon]

There problem isn't a lack of engineers\devs. It's incompetant leadership\management

[bitter river]

Yeah the leadership is nonexistent

[bitter river]

that would be a dream come true but these devs have no clue what they are doing so

I do still hope some day that things will change but I doubt it, new games are coming

[wary anchor]

this game lags so bad fuck

[marble tangle]

You talking client side or network lag?

[high nebula]

It sucks because it was an easy top 5 games of all time for me, the potential was there.

Oh well just gotta pray ashes of creation sticks to their vision, whenever that comes out

[bitter river]

Yeah this game has by far been the best game of all time for me as well until this point

also whats the deal with the massive rogue nerfs all the time? like wtf

People be bitching about rogues 3 shotting while all their classes be 1 shotting XD

[tame pebble]

no Mind Wipe it tilting

[high nebula]

Instead of giving rogue more play styles instead of just ambush, they essentially deleted the class from the game because it's easier than putting effort into their game.

Lol still no druid btw XD

[tame pebble]

still no Mind Wipe @glad thunder

[bitter river]

lets add more classes before we can even balance the ones we have

[remote lake]

i miss ruins. its what made the game for me. anyone else a fan? guess most people hated it wah

[twin geyser]

Multi-classing is a terrible idea. This will not end well

[bitter river]

I loved ruins

[remote lake]

everytime i load into a map i wish it was the ruins

[bitter river]

I knew multi classing was a terrible idea when it was first announced, would love to have a word with the devs about that but they dont care so

I behold the ideas and knowledge to fix this game

[twin geyser]

SDF loves multiclassing so my bet is they're gonna try their absolutely damnest to make it work

[marble tangle]

Multi-classing isn't a terrible idea. Keep in mind, what they're doing right now is a broad test to see how things work. I guarantee they'll implement large changes to it.

[high nebula]

I'll be real with you, they'll never get balance right because they're too dumb to put it lightly to ever get it right.

I mean it doesn't take much to make rogue viable and yet here we are

[twin geyser]

We don't have to agree, its ok

[crimson forum]

when is the next wipe is there a way to check

[marble tangle]

I agree. Got'em.

[twin geyser]

I've run into so many clerics w/mage spells that have near unlimited spells

[bitter river]

everything they have been doing since first test has been broad tests and every single thing have failed

[twin geyser]

Or mages with cleric spells. Who really knows anymore

[idle jungle]

I am at level 129, why did I receive very little repair compensation, only three times.

[random echo]

the changes that would benefit the game right now would be outright removal and moving multiclass to test servers

[twin geyser]

Yes. They just dont have enough people on test because it was part of the "elite" purchase package

[marble tangle]

Player count on the test server is low. The primary server is the test server, lol. I don't get how people don't understand this yet.

[high nebula]

That's terrible and why many games never do something as silly as this

[bitter river]

I get a feeling you havent been here for a long time

[twin geyser]

Remove premium purchase requirements for test, give the people who spent 15 dollars extra something in exchange

[random echo]

ok so why do we have a beta test server at all then?

[marble tangle]

I assume the test server is more of a pre-test. Make sure things literally don't explode, to try and avoid rollbacks. Obviously, that didn't go so well lol.

[random echo]

no one is gonna play the test server bc they know it doesn't matter and a waste of time bc they will just drop the update on the real servers in a matter of time.

[vague spindle]

Does rupture work on bows?

[prisma lava]

So what's everyone running on their warlocks??
I got mana surge, fireball, and magic missile. Still feel like I struggle against barbs with sprint and iron will... considering a demon form build with slayer and some offensive perks

[twin geyser]

Clerics with mage spells, Rogues with Spears and poison/invis, Archers with Barbarian perks...,just open all the perks to all classes at this point. it's nuts

[random echo]

why would i spend my time on the test server if im gonna get the ability to test on the real servers lmao

[marble tangle]

This is where people are failing to realize. You bought into an early access game. You are constantly on the test server.

I don't get why they have a "test" server.

[random echo]

see you dont understand why they have it at all. I dont understand why they dont actually use it properly lol

[high nebula]

Enough of the early access game argument. Look at baldur's gate 3 and ask yourself was the early access so much different than the full game.

And the answer is no

[marble tangle]

The answer is yes, lol. BG3's early access was filled with bugs that entirely broke the game.

[bitter river]

I mean early access or not these devs have done nothing right which is very bad
You should know what you are doing and do things right

Bugs are fine in an early access game but changing things or adding features that ruins the game and the balance of the game is simply not okay

[high nebula]

Bugs is quite different than changing the game in a major way that makes people feel like they bought the wrong game.

[prisma lava]

I say scrap the entire multiclass. Make each class have different sub classes.

[marble tangle]

Fair enough. Though, my opinion is that, when you buy an early access game, that's always the case. Things will change, for better or worse.

[tranquil blaze]

The game is still being actively developed, if you don't want to experience new mechanics and redesigns of game systems you should wait until the game is done. Possibly don't ever buy early access again too if it bothers you that much

[twin geyser]

Its fine, it's early access, they can do what they want. It's just multiclassing as it currently is just breaks the game

[high nebula]

This right here

[twin geyser]

Is that an archer? Or is it an archer loaded like a barbarian? Maybe its a bard whos really a rogue

[tranquil blaze]

Guess you gotta fight it and find out 😈

[warm rune]

There should be a set of skills that are non class specific

[marble tangle]

I like the idea of multiclassing. The implementation is bad. But the implementation is one massive test. That's why they've increased XP gain twice. To use the entire player base as guinee pigs. To see what's broken, what needs changed, what needs limitations.

[twin geyser]

But you wont really find out

[tranquil blaze]

There will be, they haven't opened up the class master yet

[random echo]

you can see how much time and energy the devs have to put into the multiclass system by how many hotfixes have already been done trying to make the game work properly after it got dropped on the live servers. druid isnt gonna be out for a long time bc of how much they have to focus on getting the game to work with multiclass. the amount of resouces this will take to work properly isnt worth it

[tranquil blaze]

You will once one of you is dead

[twin geyser]

If I kill them I'll never know

[warm rune]

This a trend they do a bunch of changes at once to just revert all

[prisma lava]

Got fireballed and zapped by a sprint rogue who kept going invis and sprinting away. Felt like a fever dream

[tranquil blaze]

Everything they have done so far has been with this in mind, MC was planned from the very beginning

[dark needle]

how are consumes calculated in gear score?

[twin geyser]

I dont think consumables are calculated in gear score

[random echo]

and all the nerfs/ buff that occur to classes dont get chnaged. for example cleric smite wont get changed back once they revert multiclass. I bet money cleric smite will stay all said and done lol

[dark needle]

based on stacks?

[tranquil blaze]

You can tell from the load out and how they fought

[warm rune]

Its not even multiclassing when you can use everything another class has

[random echo]

they def are. they are considered utility items

[prisma lava]

They are. There's a spreadsheet in the discord to see what everything is worth

[tranquil blaze]

That's exactly what multiclassing is... Have you ever played D&D?

[marble tangle]

The only thing not calculated in gear score, is anything that's classified as "Invalid"
iirc.

[midnight niche]

should ig et legendary crossbow or legendary paddeds?

[warm rune]

Have you? You can't use everything when you multiclass its just the weaker skills

[high nebula]

It should just be subclasses, so the identity of classes stays the same, while being different.

Rogues can be thieves with duel wielding, trap specialist, etc. or be the assassin where they can't duel wield but they get access to short bows.

Or maybe warlock can have Eldritch blast for a sub class and etc

[random echo]

weapon>armor

[stark flint]

You are incorrect. This is not multiclasses in the dnd meaning. This is skill loot boxes and sandbox.

[tranquil blaze]

I'm currently playing a warlock 8/rogue 1/ranger 3/ monk 2. My character can do everything those 4 classes can do...

[random echo]

i have played it. but D&D isnt a first person survival extraction looter pvp game. its a board game you play with the boys

[tranquil blaze]

The RNG is the only difference

[wary anchor]

i thought they made leveling easier ive played 5 games havent leveled at all lol

[marble tangle]

Helps to kill things, loot, and survive lol.

[tranquil blaze]

To be fair, it's a tabletop survival dungeon crawling loot extraction game with occasional PvP so... Not really that different

[dark needle]

is a stack of prot potions calculated as gear scor eper stack or per item

[valid storm]

What is the most OP build now

[valid storm]

Per item

[solemn geyser]

How much XP per level now

[finite laurel]

dude is mind wipe still bugged?

[tranquil blaze]

The one you can play the best

[sinful gull]

barb with only drums lute is what im going for

[random echo]

I would argue dark and darker and dungeons and dragons are very differnt but we are gonna have to just agree to disagree. Im not about to get into a debate about how the two games are different lmao

[stark flint]

https://5thsrd.org/rules/multiclassing/
Bullsh*t

[gritty vale]

Either way, we can all just agree the RNG is 100% cancer, and that they are stupid for not using the test Server for it's intended purpose.

[marble tangle]

Get the Bard's Reinforced Instruments perk.

[sinful gull]

got it but, need to get it again with next wipe cause i got none of the other perks i want

it is kind of legit with only that perk tho ngl

[tranquil blaze]

Did you even read what you just sent me? The only difference is in DaD you pick between 3 random skills from that class instead of getting all of them

[finite laurel]

mind wipe still bugged??

[tranquil blaze]

That I can agree with

[finite laurel]

i wanna reset my shit rolls fml

[stark flint]

If you want to be ignorant, I will not be changing your mind. It's your problem, not mine. 😗

[finite laurel]

im sorry but mind wipe still bugged for anyone ??

[peak flower]

new update fucking sucks, normal mode is so unplayable, im thinking of just quitting the game..
you see super strong people everywhere now

[stark flint]

Yup, and that's what people want. Sorry for your experience, though.

[gritty vale]

I'm sticking around and if they delay druid again I'm selling my account.

[sinful gull]

maybe really take some time off and dont get to angry about it, they are testing this and I hope we will revert alot of the current bs. Just check in next wipe

[terse pasture]

lmfao just faced norm bard with slayer, duel wield, and sword mastery

[tranquil blaze]

I'm not sure how that's being ignorant but alright. I'd personally rather see D&D more closely emulated. I'd be curious to see how multiclassing fit into the game if you were required to have high enough stats for each class, like in D&D.

[warm rune]

Pretty sure druid is a myth

[finite laurel]

can anyone tell me if their mind wipe got fixed??

[wintry scarab]

@stuck quail u level up faster on lower levels so when u didnt level up faster before they gave u the xp now goofy

[gritty vale]

At this point, might as well be. Astonishes me they released such a controversial update before druid tbh

[knotty kernel]

Multiclassing is fun to mess around with but it gets old fast.

[stark flint]

The game is clearly in development stage. We have HUGE balance issues, skills that are overpowered in comparison to others, perks that are a must vs thrash. Why do we need multiclasses?

[obtuse tartan]

Did they remove poison from ranged weapons as an option?

[twin geyser]

I'd love to see a poll posted about multi-classing. Just a yay or nay

[finite laurel]

is mind wipe still bugged?

[knotty kernel]

I just don't think poison works on non native rogue weapons

[tranquil blaze]

Why do we not need it? It was part of the initial vision and part of the source of inspiration for this game. It makes more sense to fit it in and make it work than to just ignore it all together because it's hard to implement.

[sinful gull]

People are only still liking it cause they hid it behind the grind. In a week this is jover lol.

[warm rune]

Its pretty obvious the devs have no idea what direction they want the game to go and content doesn't seem to be the primary focus.

[finite laurel]

did mind wipe reset for anyone or still bugged?

[sinful gull]

I will have 2 days of fun with my meme barb though

[stark flint]

Yup, and that's exactly why I think you're ignorant.

[tranquil blaze]

This is what happens when you don't have a development road map, everyone forgets that multiclassing was planned over a year ago.

@stark flint alright, cool talk then. Have a great day

[gritty vale]

Theres a reason they don't even have a roadmap this far on. They keep talking about their 'vision' for dark and darker but they can only see 3 steps ahead.

[knotty kernel]

I completely Agree. Multiclassing is the dumbest and worst change made to this game and is horrible idea on its face. I have played less than 3 hours since the patch dropped and Im already sick of Barbarians with weapon mastery and ambush. The game is comical.

[calm musk]

They had the training idea before to enchance some class traits and they just completly went crazy with it trying to merge different classes IM is the worst part of DnD unfortanetly

[knotty kernel]

They had a vision for the game but abandoned it like 5 months ago when reddit complained about gear disparity, now they are just following the tide of public opinion until we end up at fortnite

[sinful gull]

The thing is just the implemetation and it overlapping with other changes, if they only planned that through better, we wouldnt have this reaction to it. Most people have little to no xp with actual DnD in the DaD community, for them this came out of nowhere.

[gritty vale]

They decreased the TTK to nothing by allowing the combination of damage abilities and high damage weapons, they allowed every class to cap movespeed regardless of the pdr, they allowed normally squishy builds to have an easy 60pdr with savage roar...... This literally undid the sole way to express skill in the game that wasn't a fast reaction time or aiming, knowing how to use your class and build.

[high nebula]

This right here

[knotty kernel]

Yeah multiclassing is a horrible idea. The moment they announced it I knew it was stupid and wouldn't last. It allows you to remove all negatives of your class by picking abilities never intended for you to begin with.

[sinful gull]

It will go, but they will loose alot of players for this insanity. This should have happened on the testservers first, currently the build on test is older than on main. They are still not using the testserver like they should.

[gritty vale]

More than anything, I think the part that pisses me off the most about this patch. Is that they JUST. DONT. CARE. They had all these people on the Test servers complaining about the RNG, talking about the broken builds, talking about the rogue pickpocket exploit, and they just pushed it through.

[peak flower]

it is sooooo bad, its horrible rn... literally unplayable since im not that high level yet.. before it was way more balanced. now everything is just a coinflip, if the enemies have strong perks game is just lost.

[vivid umbra]

blow of curruption doesn't work on hand crossbow?

[knotty kernel]

Its not a coinflip though, every match is the same. Every class is running like the same 4 abilities. Everyone is using ambush and weapon mastery to one shot you then sprint to kite you with a bow. There is no difference between people.

[gritty vale]

It's not even fair, got lucky and have Savage Roar on my slayer and I now have the pdr of a Plate Fighter with none of the drawbacks.

[sinful gull]

Didnt even known the exploit was there allready. But i mean a couple of days on test before going live on the main, i dont even count that. Also the lobbies are empty and you still needed hours to grind for the 1st perk in empty lobbies, so they gathered 0 info on test before imo.

whatever, i still love it i know it will be over soon but i just hope there will still be 10k players then. Or they gonna change matchmaking again wasting more time in development.

[rustic laurel]

barbs still least skilled class

[stuck quail]

calling me goofy with your monster energy drink looking profile pic

[gritty vale]

Idk, only good skill I got was savage roar on my fighter, besides that I got useless skills. Like holy purification, or 25% undead damage bonus, or shield bash ect....

[sacred token]

warlock/wizard. It's probably going to be that way until the druid comes out or until IM brings in someone to balance the game who isn't just going to buff their favorite classes into supremacy.

[gritty vale]

They had major streamers talking about it, and showing broken builds and the exploit. Maybe if they actually used the TEST server to TEST the patch before it was released to main this would actually be tolerable.

[wintry scarab]

are u stupid? u obviously dont know thats not a pfp? now i have every right to call u goofy dumbfuck

[sinful gull]

yup 100%

hirin Odin & Soma might help to get things through in the future

[knotty kernel]

We didnt need a test server to figure out this was gonna be stupid. Anyone with a brain could have figured out that giving rogues longbows, and rangers hide ambush and barbs double jump was stupid idea.

[stuck quail]

grow up dude

[pallid grove]

I am not having exp for 4 matches something broken?

[wintry scarab]

uh oh bro found out hes a idiot now stg ur a kid

[shadow bough]

It’s clear to see where this game is headed. If multiclass is what they want to pursue ultimately I think it’s time for us to find another game that scratches this itch. Edit there has been no mention of roll backs or remove of this multi ass feature from the devs

[gritty vale]

That too, but it's the fact that they knew, Seen it on the Test and then went 'Ehhhhhh~Good enough'. That pisses me off.

[stuck quail]

touch grass

[wintry scarab]

bros backed in a corner now lol

[jagged kindle]

There wasn’t much testing really going on. When I was on the test server I had solo lobbies so they needed a way to test it out more and moved it over

[knotty kernel]

The truth is they dont have enough engangement on testserver, and they promised people multiclassing as the big update this wipe cycle, so they pushed it live. They know it is a bad idea, that is why when they released the patch they had the whole disclaimer at the bottom "As we’ve noted multiple times, we are looking at this multiclass test as a true experiment for this season. Please note that there is a very good chance that the multiclass system will substantially evolve for the next season or may even be removed based on the response from the community. " They knew it was a bad idea and tried to cover their own behind

[wintry scarab]

when u get the tampon out ur ass let me know princess mmkay?

[jagged kindle]

☝🏻

[gritty vale]

There were quite a few full lobbies in Test when multi-classing kicked off, and just common sense. Plus there are 100s of videos showing all the builds you can pull off and the most broken ones even if there isn't much overall.

[stuck quail]

stop replying to me about what you are doing, tired of the notis

[shadow bough]

Yeah bcuz no one wants to pay 10 extra dollars to test out content that they not a fan of in the first place

[sinful gull]

yeah it needed a month minimum with 0 grind and 10 perks immidiately so that people actually come and play and stresstest the system.

[wintry scarab]

u gonna cry or smthing? jesus christ ur a skittle

[jagged kindle]

Multiclassing is known to be broken so they are going to have to find a way to balance it so maybe be patient and wait out the storm? If it upsets you then don’t play for a little while till they nerf, remove, or keep the multi class then decide if you wanna come back

[gritty vale]

I just don't understand, why waste time going in that direction when they were already going toward tried and true methods like sub-classing(Slayer, demonform ect). It's way more balancing as the builds still have inherent weaknesses that can be used to counter them, unlike multi-classing

[random echo]

mine isnt

[gritty vale]

That's what I'm doing, I'll see if they delay druid again and if they do I'll sell my account.

[jagged kindle]

That’s completely fair

[finite laurel]

yeah still couldnt wipe

[stuck quail]

ok im just going to block you, lol

[sinful gull]

They are figuring it out as they go is what it seems. Sucks for us being used to triple A but i hope they get ahead of things, they need structural changes, hires not just marketing but devs... If they dont wanna invest and be save with their money, i get it, too.

[wintry scarab]

goodboy prove me right

[random echo]

the amount of resources have already been put into hoxfixes/rollbacks and patches to fix various issues with multiclass is prob a good indicator that druid is already being delayed. they just havent said it bc people would be pissed rightfully so

[rough whale]

yeah im done playing this game you roll the dice with every interaction now you get into not knowing what to expect great balance and skilful gameplay

[knotty kernel]

Have you been playing the game long? I am being honestly sincere here. If you stick with this game, you will learn that IM has no idea what they are doing.

[jagged kindle]

This is just how it’s gonna be for a while now with a play test for the game. I honestly rather be able to play test the changes before a full release rather then wait years for it to be fully ready

[gleaming cedar]

Cleric wizard.

[gritty vale]

The way they described the company, each person has their own role. So one guys on animations, ones on balancing ect, so it shouldn't really delay it too much. @knotty kernel Been here since 2nd playtest.

[sinful gull]

Yeah if you have this crazy idea and think its great, but people shit on it, that takes some time to sink in and realize so much work was for nothing. But thats what happens, you build a toilet and someone is gonna shit on it.

[jagged kindle]

Fighter cleric get that paladin build

[gleaming cedar]

Paladin? You mean... Just a normal cleric with Divine Protection + smite or judgement?

[shell flicker]

"Rightfully so"
The entitlement in you losers is sick

[jagged kindle]

With the strength and defense of fighter

[random echo]

if the feedback they receive is undeniably negative they have to revert it thats the only reason im in here at all. to voice my discontent and try back to give the devs actual feedback.

[random echo]

people dont like getting their progress rolled back. they have every right to be angry lol

[gleaming cedar]

The strength of a fighter comes from being able to use ranged, not because they are inherently tankier than clerics.

Fact is, with perseverence, clerics are tankier than fighters.

[digital dock]

game is sitting +30% current player population from 2 days ago.

[jagged kindle]

Fighters have higher strength and vigor then clerics the point of paladin is to be a super tank so why not get the abilities of fighter for defense and pair it up with clerics spells?

[sacred token]

problem with this is the first wizard you run into just kills you with no counterplay. Steer clear of fighter and cleric. Warlock and wizard is what you want.

[sinful gull]

interesting i thought its going down...

[jagged kindle]

I’ve done fighter and cleric for a bit now I haven’t had issues with wizards I just play to my advantage

[shell flicker]

They don't, don't play EA games then if you get your panties in an bunch, and it's not you speaking for anyone else, YOU are the one pissed because "muh progress"
Nobody cares ✌️

[sacred token]

uh-huh. Sure.

[random echo]

ive been here since pt 2 as well. but if what you are saying is true druid should prob be out or be in its final stages. the dude working on druid had covid like a month ago and that was the last excuse for the delay. I dont think there is anything inherently wrong with holding the devs to their word/deadlines they set themselves.

[jagged kindle]

I mean idk what you’re trying to say? Since I have a build that’s working for me you wanna tell me I’m wrong? 😂

[gritty vale]

He had 1-2 weeks off, and they didn't release 1-2 weeks after, the reason they gave for delaying it was also stupid from the Q&A: "We can't do the First person pov for bear-form because it gives you motion sickness". Surrrrrrrre.

[sinful gull]

Multiclassing on for the last week of the wipe would be a blast. But thats about all I could take long terms.

[gleaming cedar]

4 more strength and 2 more vigor. Much difference. Plop a hounskull which gives vigor, plop plate boots which give strength, and the difference becomes a whopping 6 health and 2% physical damage.

Versus +8 will points from cleric, which gives you 24 magic resist.

[sacred token]

What I'm saying is there's something you're not telling us. In a straight fight a wizard just fireballs, then zaps, then magic missiles you to death. So either there's something you're leaving out-like sneaking up on them or running invisibility postions or rogue hide or something- or you're lying. Either of which is bad to do to people seeking advice.

[gleaming cedar]

Believe me, the strength of a fighter is NOT because of their stats.

[pallid grove]

Cuthroat and he is silenced

[gritty vale]

It's the perks, yeah.

[jagged kindle]

It’s called Block zaps and dodge fireballs? Use Walls? It’s not that hard to kill wizards?

[gleaming cedar]

It's the ranged weapon options.

[autumn raven]

does anyone know 'Failed to mindwipe. Error code: 810' is and how to fix?

[gritty vale]

Oh, well that too.

[sinful gull]

I had that on test server earlier still persistent

[gleaming cedar]

Like, Cleric with wizard spells right now might as well be the strongest multiclass.

[autumn raven]

damm didnt they just say they patched it

[sacred token]

LMAO okay, sure. Anyone reading this, ignore this guy. This advice has been tried and doesn't work. He's just trolling.

[jagged kindle]

Yes cause advice is apparently law instead I have a build I like and apparently having fun is wrong 😂

[gleaming cedar]

Alright, you use shield in one weapon slot. What's in your other weapon slot?

[dusky hearth]

so how did this update help the players that are struggling tp get tokens and dont have time to get to lvl 200 like half of the player base

[jagged kindle]

Spell book with cleric spells

And arming sword with shield

[dusky hearth]

also whoever idea it was to make you wait over 3 days to reroll needs to get fired, makes 0 sense

[gleaming cedar]

Sooo... You are simply doing that which any and all clerics have been doing all this time. Rush against the wizard, and heal any damage that they do to you.

[jagged kindle]

Slightly faster and little nicer range 🤷🏻‍♂️

[knotty kernel]

It gave you like 1 more token, maybe

[jagged kindle]

Don’t forget the shield spell 😉

[dusky hearth]

my point

[gleaming cedar]

Shield spell is only for physical damage, but you can delusion yourself that it helps against wizards.

[jagged kindle]

Eh either way makes me feel good

[sacred token]

yeah he's just trolling. Don't feed the trolls.

[jagged kindle]

Yes I’m trolling the dark troll

[knotty nova]

i dont think he's trolling I think he geniuenly didn't know that, which is probably worse

[gleaming cedar]

So, after you block, dodge, and tank all the fireballs and zaps, the cleric, specced in wizard, pulls out a war maul. What do you do?

[jagged kindle]

You are correct I actually didn’t know lol

[jagged kindle]

Get close block the wood part of the war maul for a light block to get 2 hits in

[gleaming cedar]

The cleric ups the first hit of the war maul as a right button, and makes a second downwards hit.

[last spoke]

Is there any issue with death cams? I haven’t been able to watch my death cam in Whites or HR the last week

[jagged kindle]

Pray to the lord on high I dodge it 😂

[gleaming cedar]

You won't. There is a very small chance that you do.

The cleric starts staring at you without attacking, but keeping his distance close, what do you do?

[slate otter]

when are they going to realize some people have jobs and cant max out all characters to get a definitive competitive advantage and take out multiclassing, theyre literally giving points to people who dont go outside at this point

[gleaming cedar]

You only need to get the character to lelve 30. The only problem I see with that is no high roller up till level 20.

[normal goblet]

yo anyone know if pen shot on rangers works with a flachion on fighter?

[slate otter]

that takes alot of effort and time for someone who goes outside

and also that highroller bs is so dumb like now i level up even slower this game just becomes worse and worse with every major update

[analog grove]

did... did they actuall make mide wipe once a week? What in the actual fu

[jagged kindle]

Roll charisma check to persuade we both work together to take down the warlock that each lobby always has 😂

[knotty kernel]

yes and only friday and tuesday so you cant use it today, the day they fixed it, to see if it actually works or not LOL

[craggy shadow]

how comes that every barb has fkin sprint now? is there nothing good as that?

[gleaming cedar]

The warlock was already killed, because the cleric has stacked 2-3 items with debuff duration, and protection from evil, raising his debuff to 90%, maki9ng warlock's curses last less than 1 second. The warlock kept cursing, but he didn't get healed, died from a fireball.

[craggy shadow]

and i cant fkin have my perks i want bc the timer is 4 days 🙂

[knotty kernel]

Sprint is broken, it should have been removed along time ago, but SDF mains fighter so it got to stay, on Everyother class there is no better option.

[digital dock]

can hardly walk a straight line with how hard the game is rubber banding...anyone else having issues?

[brittle vault]

HAS anyone tried BLOOD PACT BARB i need to know if its gas

[craggy shadow]

its rly frustrating on my side bc thats the only way i die. i got like 311ms without weapon but every barb in armor is rushing me like hell

[analog grove]

bro i was stoked to play today and get on to see i dont have mind wipe.... JFC what the hell iron mace

[sacred token]

level 35.

[snow oxide]

how do i get more channel roles?

[craggy shadow]

and then i got stuck why my 2 tokes wich were only shit on my side :/

[brittle vault]

dude you are all so stupid the mind wipe was yesterday it happens on tues and friday yall legit missed it i wiped my mind last night at like 11pm whne it became available it is now saturday why would there be another mind wipe

[slate otter]

honestly hope multiclass kills this game so these dumb devs can understand that you if you push the people who arent absolute losers and play this game all the time your profits will suffer, multiclass was such a shit idea

[craggy shadow]

they should fix it to like 1 day or so on this point rn

[knotty kernel]

Welcome to multiclassing turns out barb is the best base class because it has the most strength and vigor the only stats that actually matter. So people are just running perks on barb which has the best stat base line to be any other class they want. Oh want to be a better ranger just put weapon master and triple shot on barb, want to be a better rogue just put hide and ambush on barb, want to be a better fighter just put sprint and slayer on barb, ON and ON it goes.

[brittle vault]

it should be every 12 hours in my opionion i dont play during the work week so i cant even re roll

[gleaming cedar]

35 for a token. In order to multiclass into antoehr class, that other class needs to be 30, not 35.

[craggy shadow]

yeah thats the point i dont have time in the week aswell but all thos lvl 100+ guys are lucky that they habe like 6 rolls to get

[gleaming cedar]

So, you can have 1 class at 80, and the other at 30, and you will be able to multiclass with the lvl 80 character.

[craggy shadow]

yes

[onyx valve]

Error code: 810 on mindwipe?? Anyone know how to fix

Also I multiclass into fireball and zap as a cleric......those spells are not an option for me now??

[brittle vault]

THE NEXT MINDWIPE IS ON TUESDAY AT 8 PM

[pallid grove]

@glad thunder FIX AGRO ON ICE CAVES WHOLE MAP CHASING ONLY ONE PLAYER FROM SEVERAL FLOORS WHOLE PACK GANG ACTION

[jagged kindle]

What a goat 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 I die knowing I fought a goat

[gleaming cedar]

Only weakness of cleric was complete lack of ranged.

Wait till you see such cleric with wiz spells, tanky as fuck, and he pulls out a pulverizing prayer when you finally get close.

[sullen hearth]

MIND WIPE STILL BROKEN AFTER THEY SAID IT WAS FIXED?

[amber anvil]

Anyone got a problem with nvidia shadowplay causing screen tearing and not recording at all?

[gaunt lava]

nothing quite beats that feeling of getting the drop on someone, then proceeding to whiff every single attack

[tranquil blaze]

Lol

[gleaming cedar]

Nothing quite beats sneaking on someone, and whiffing 3 attacks ( as a cleric ) and then they just run off, not even realizing you were ever there.

[gaunt lava]

I am a barb,so they very much knew I was there

[deft lynx]

after some research, i wanted to create a poison barbarian. the perk doesnt work with barbarian, it shows poison is dripping however upon attacking no poison damage is getting taken into account.

[gaunt lava]

good

[deft lynx]

Hopefully they can fix this

[gleaming cedar]

Poison sucks anyways.

[gaunt lava]

barbarians do not need filthy poison. They kill by simply severing heads from shoulders.

[merry nest]

i think poison only works on swords/daggers/crossbows

[gleaming cedar]

Poison works only on rogue native weapons.

[deft lynx]

Not if you have additional mag dmg, it makes the tick rate go up, eg. my barbarian should of done base dmg 120 + 20 x 5 for poison dmg

[merry nest]

well then it sucks

except on wizard

[gleaming cedar]

I used to think that way as well.

In fact, 10 add magical damage = 4 poison + 10 / 4 ticks = 3.5* damage per tick.

[merry nest]

it is infact busted once you have all 5 stacks going so using a dagger is bis

[gleaming cedar]

Sure, if you hit 5 times, it is busted.

[deft lynx]

Well i think multiclassing rouge as barb shouldnt be allowed if i cant use half the stuff lol

[gleaming cedar]

But if I hit you 5 times with any weapon, you are busted as well.

[merry nest]

yeah but dagger swings very fast so u get those hits in quickly

[deft lynx]

I generally liked the idea of poison barb because im always watching when i die and enemy usually only has 2-10hp left

[merry nest]

but i see what u mean, 5 hits pretty much fight is over

[deft lynx]

so the poison would of killed them before me dying type of thing.

[gleaming cedar]

Like, 5 times x 20 damage on a gray/white dagger = 100 damage.

[twin spear]

id like to know where these poison numbers are coming from

[stuck patrol]

man multiclass is so trash

[merry nest]

hes just talkin about normal swing

[muted verge]

GBMM Will be the the death of this game. I'm afraid to many ppl are caught up in multiclass system to see the bigger issue. They need to fix the root problem so GBMM is not needed. Simple and easy way to do this is make pvp power equal among blue,epic,and lego. Then you add pve/quality of life stat lines to make higher tier gear worth buying and using. Example Epics might have fast portal opening and less zone damage. Legos might have increased boss damage and better vision in darkness. These stats could still be helpful in pvp but it's not based on raw power.

[gleaming cedar]

Gray stilletto dagger 19-20 damage. 20 damage x 5 = 100 damage. No poison here.

[craggy shadow]

would be ok if sprint wasnt there got killed last 2 games now from barb with sprint and i cant do shit man litterly playing subway surfer rn

[native vine]

RNG multiclass implementation feels awful. My gameplay experience after updating:
Open character, choose multiclass.
Get 3 perk/skills that don't compliment my current class.
Choose the least worst one.
Close the game and wait for the version of multiclass.

Why has this game become another Gacha?

[humble slate]

Bro the hardest boss in the game can be done by a trio in full default gear at lvl 1. Nobody needs pve buffs

[crude juniper]

yo guys, is there any kind of setting or w/e i can do to make my game feel less crappy? my pc is way over ''qualified'' for the game but i sometimes get such lags that it feels like 20 fps >-<

[merry nest]

yeah no idea why they thought time gating it was a good idea

[gleaming cedar]

I don't want someone to talk about root problems, when they don't see the blatant imbalance between weapons, falchion and zweihander, nudge nudge, wink, wink.

[twin spear]

my bad the other guy was talking about poison right before with 20x5 for poison damage i thought it was a continuation

[gleaming cedar]

I will quote " Buf it I hit you 5 times with any weapon, you are busted as well "

[whole snow]

@glad thunder I love you!!!
I know you are trying and I love this game.
I love the mutliclass even with the sharp edges. New content is always great. I now you’ll get it all figured out.

[muted verge]

Yes they do. That's irrelevant on how easy it is to kill bosses. Turn of a dial can change that. The more important issue is pvp balance so GBMM is gone. @gleaming cedar Yeah the Falchion should be on their list. That is also a root problem but we just need GBMM gone now.

[distant pivot]

How is 50 movespeed on sprint balanced? you can be in full plate armor with 2h on barb and fighter and just run ppl down with sprint

[gleaming cedar]

At least you aren't afighter/warlock apologist, and say that falchion is balanced.

[merry nest]

its so heavy fighters have a time to close the gap

[twin spear]

they lowered ms cap to 330 so sprint isnt really all that needed on most classes now
and before anyone says it no you cant exceed cap with anything
no chance a barb or fighter in full plate reaches max ms with sprint and weapon out

[merry nest]

otherwise u would just kite them endlessly if they didnt have sprint

[gleaming cedar]

Get PDR.

[humble slate]

Disagree on that one, GBMM is one of the best updates since marketplace

[knotty kernel]

Both of these things were bad

[runic mango]

Meh... I think its far too cheeseable as the stats dont have weight and you can easily smurf into lower "skilled" lobbies with BIS gear and still just roll timmies all day long...

[twin spear]

you are aware that gbmm is so manipulateable that players do it on accident right?
it only helps guarantee that you are the strongest in the lobby when manipulating it on purpose

[humble slate]

yeah they can tune it up for the timmies. the main thing is the high end lobbies actually have good fights now

[muted verge]

Bro you will be the death of this game then. HR will be ghost lobbies, Mid to low will be ppl using calculators to min max gear. It's simply going to split the matchmaking pool up so much you won't have pvp. lol and that's prob why you like it. You're prob a pve andy and wish this game was pve. THose players will end this game.

[civic fog]

Warlock is WAYYYY OVerpowered. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong

[humble slate]

PVE andy? I played in the gold scrims because I couldnt get enough pvp. Dont get it twisted Tim

[gleaming cedar]

Implies that a PvE dark and darker isn't a fun experience. Or that PvE games aren't fun. But, if you are so mad about GBMM, go back to tarkov.

[twin spear]

warlock is still a LITTLE strong but after the past 4 patches of nerfs really the only OP thing left on warlock is dark reflection
warlocks melee potential got nerfed into the ground so im fine with the spells and healing being its upside

[muted verge]

Well you will be on their side regardless if you support the is trash GBMM. I don't understand how anyone with a brain can see how bad it is for the game. Just going to be dead lobbies at the top HR bracket. @gleaming cedar That doesn't immply that at all but when you remove pvp form the pve then it's just another hello kitty island adventure and gold/gear becomes meaningless since there really is no risk of dying without pvp.

[humble slate]

You are clueless, the top HR bracket has always been dead lobbies or full of timmy squads. At least GBMM makes the games you do get matched with other players meaningful

[gleaming cedar]

Next thing, you are gonna tell me that you can solo the skeleton warlock boss. " no risk of dying "

When was the last time you killed a skeleton champion without cheesing it on traps, or on barrels, or getting to a high spot?

[twin spear]

so meaningful to get match with players that i know are perfectly min maxxed
so my chances are lower than before
doesnt matter that im a good player, like i stand a chance, imagine how many people dont

[humble slate]

so you just want to gear check timmys and not have to play against other people with the same gear, good to know

[unreal edge]

Divine protection on rogue's is very unfair btw, why the fuck should the fastest class get burst 50% PDR?!?

[twin spear]

no i want gear to be more fair so that its not ONLY a gear check
allowing players with the current system to KNOW 100% they are gear checking is not okay
gear was so close to being fair then they add a system so players know they are the strongest for sure

[unreal obsidian]

so if i'm a rogue and i select spell memory as my ability.. can i cast spells?

[reef bloom]

let us mindwipe again pleaseeee

[merry nest]

yeah but its pointless cause really low will

[gleaming cedar]

It's 30%. Do you even read patch notes in announcement? Cleric's abilities got nerfed into the ground because of multiclass.

[unreal obsidian]

ahh true.. ok thanks @merry nest

[unreal edge]

it's still way too strong, smite on a stilleto dagger is unfair with divine protection

[muted verge]

Yeah the system before GBMM was also s h i t. The systems that break up lobbies based of gear or time played is just a crutch that divides the player base. You fix the root of the issue which is balancing gear and no longer have a disgusting gear check I win system in place you create an overall better game. When the population dips it will still be functional. For GBMM to even stand a chance at working you need a huge population that this gave doesn't have. Maybe it will on release but until then it's a bomb that's going to kill the game. THe only ppl who will be left are the ppl who think the game is fun without pvp.

[humble slate]

you are doing some mental gymnastics if you think GBMM is MORE gear checking than pre-GBMM was

[sudden vault]

I have the same question for music memory, can rogue play songs on an instrument?

[twin spear]

so tell me why bonus stats have no effect on gear score when they matter far more than rarity

[sinful gull]

yeah same as spells, first get music mem then the songs appear in choices

[humble slate]

bonus stats arent calculated and you are crying about that? before gbmm THE ACTUAL GEAR WASNT CALCULATED

[sudden vault]

I had no songs appear to put on my memory slots