game-discussion

[gilded minnow]

ive done troll twice hit the pile each time and the gold rush quest only has 1/4

any help?

[brisk mason]

it only counts the first hit of the pile i believe

[acoustic aspen]

hey is 64% action speed good, solo with adrenaline rush and spike, with dual wield perk

[compact solstice]

does multi class give you a perk or a skill from another class?

[small marsh]

Is there a bug with what Slayer is considering to be cloth or plate? There's some items blatantly marked "Cloth" that won't equip or appear in the squire menu if I have the perk.

[sharp night]

Pretty sure it can be either

[brave notch]

anyone have a bug were you cant craft the copper armor in tailerr after doing thequest?>

[vapid arch]

if you want a meme build that works look up firebox's rondel and buckler build

you stack true damage and move speed and melt people

[unreal tangle]

anyone have a bug that the 3 health shrines in ice caves doesnt work done it twice now and doesnt count

[lusty sky]

Does anyone know if hand crossbow and throwing knives apply poisoned weapon for rogue?

[vapid arch]

yes

[zinc river]

you have to be the first to use it

[vapid arch]

you have to be the first person to hit each shrine

[unreal tangle]

ah okay thanks

[plush stratus]

guys how are you dealing with the cyclops boulder attack

i jump and dodge the boulders, but i always have rocks falling on my head taking a chunk of my hp

[vapid arch]

you're suppose to jump to avoid the aoe, but there's nothing stopping boulders from landing directly on your head

you can have two boulders spawn in the same spot and instantly kill you so i think there's something unintended going on

[solemn dagger]

@small marsh I know some were recently changed to cloth but slayer can't use them because they used to be heavy

[small marsh]

Ah, so probably just a bug (or they'll clarify it later), thanks for letting me know

[full jacinth]

So much ranged. I just want to fight people :c feelsbadman

[worthy dirge]

ranged simulator

[sterile wadi]

Can you quick move items from inv to stash? Idk how

[sterile dome]

shft+rclik

[plush stratus]

alright, thats disappointing. def needs to be tweaked

[signal osprey]

put golden door into game so we can complete quest plz ty

[vapid arch]

it is in the game

[signal osprey]

could have fooled me

i dont believe it

[kind shale]

What specific Hell rooms do I need to go to to find ore?

I've gone through 3 Hells and found none. Is it high roller only?

[gritty vale]

2 trolls pelts in a row lets goooooooooooooo

[gritty vale]

You looking for ruby or gold

[kind shale]

both

I need that weaponsmith and armorsmith rep

[woeful ledge]

man its hard to kill 3 wendigo.

[jaunty topaz]

You mean hard to find 3 wendigo or hard to defeat the wendigo?
Because wendigo is very easy to cheese from any platform or box and if you spawn in the northeast corner of the map you can easily kill 3 wendigos before time runs out

[woeful ledge]

ppl kill me when I try to cheese

but yeah, i know that map

[jaunty topaz]

I do think that the map should have more wendigos because they are pretty much all clumped up in the northeast part of the map

[sterile dome]

3 wendigoons

[woeful ledge]

got 1. lock let me kill it then killed me lol

[gritty vale]

3 troll pelts in a row in normals lmao

[spare elbow]

Does windigo have any cool drop like windigo skull or sum?

[gritty vale]

not that I know of

[vapid arch]

wendigo heart and wendigo hooves, i think they're used for the last collector quest if you read the description

[barren ingot]

Claw and hoof

[spare elbow]

Thats lame. Skull would be way cooler. Like georgia okeefe style

[jaunty topaz]

Normals unironically bis for pelt farming since you have higher chance for rare in normals

[vital scaffold]

i feel like this game would be a lot more fun for me personally if it was a single player or co-op only game, not saying it should become one or anything, just an observation

[spare elbow]

Really there is not enough mob depth or story or anything for that to work imo.

[gritty vale]

3.5k gold 75% of the time is crazy, I am farming him with zwei barb and I can do troll easy. Cylcops is a bit iffy cause I am usually 1/4 hp from those damn rocks, and he doesn't have many good drops.

[jaunty topaz]

Cyclops can drop troll blood iirc

[vital scaffold]

maybe, but its not like it would be impossible to develop more in that direction if they wanted to

[gritty vale]

Huh? Well that's 500 gold atleast, might be worth it to try it on top of troll.

[jaunty topaz]

I may be wrong tho lemme double check

[lilac tinsel]

bro why is cleric protection so hard to se through?!

[gritty vale]

The issue is experience, they have spent months and 3 delays on druid alone. It is possible but would take years.

[gritty vale]

Good point, they should add a halo or smth, or a translucent gold shield.

[vital scaffold]

i dare say if the game was single player oriented it would be ALOT easier because they wouldnt need to worry about balance as much

[meager stag]

if it was single player it would have less players than it does now

[lilac tinsel]

if you walk in the dark with the protection its just game over

can't tell whats up or down

[vital scaffold]

thats not gonna effect any of the people playing since we would all be playing separate sessions

either way though, i know its not a reasonable thing to ask for

[lilac tinsel]

I wasn't here last season but how was the map cycle?

[gritty vale]

Honestly, one thing we could all agree on is better quests. I wish there were re-skinned champions, wraiths and demons with voice lines on specific quests. Right now all the fetch quests are more tedious than fun.

[jaunty topaz]

I should remind everyone that the majority of the playerbase are solos only

[barren ingot]

So it’s been some time. When are devs going to remove creep off all classes? The rat meta needs to go

[gritty vale]

Mainly cause HR crypts is either stomped or be stomped, TTK is probably the shortest it's every been, and with +2 all buff balls you will be stat checked to high heavens.

[jaunty topaz]

Normals is the bis game mode tbh
Less sweaty and more balanced game mode

[gritty vale]

Yeah, I love getting good loot but the loot I worked hours on by myself is a drop in the bucket compared to a team of demigods who farmed HR Boss from day 1. We're at a point where good loot feels like greens and legendary and epic feel less like rare and valubal items and more the norms.

[spare elbow]

Yeahh people in bis have inventories full of bis and tens of thousands of gold.

[gritty vale]

Can't tell if this is sarcasm.

[spare elbow]

Nope. My buddy sold a blue straw hat for 5k gold yesterday. Those guys have stupid amount of money to throw around

[gritty vale]

Yeah....... Also gold bots don't help. But it's because when you get to a certain point and have a solid team, you can farm crypts hell incredibly easily. It's like everyone else is rolling a snowball and a select few people are creating an avalanche. Doesn't help that BIS stats like +2 all or +10% damage are incredibly common. I'm fine with really good items being in the game like we have now, but they should be incredibly rare and meaningful to lose/have.

[vital scaffold]

creep is great when using it to avoid fights imo, its just when someone sneaks up behind you and kills you before you can even react that it tilts me

[gritty vale]

I have a weird relationship with creep. I understand why the devs added it to some extent, to reward patience and add actual stealth mechanics. But having all characters have it regardless of level, gear, class or skill was strange at best. If they want to keep it around I would enjoy being able to set up wires with empty potion bottles or broken glass to be able to actually hear them sneaking up.

[lilac tinsel]

why can't you heal yourself when your going deeper?

so dumb

[vapid arch]

you mean like in hunt showdown where there's loads of things on the map that can reveal your position?

[gritty vale]

Yes, just being able to set up can wires or other things to reward caution and adding a counter to stealth gameplay would be nice.

[jaunty topaz]

Honestly yeah creep should be removed except from rogue and the nerfs to crouch/walk ms should be reverted

[vapid arch]

that's an idea, but something someone else said is to tie reduced noise to resourcefulness as that stat is just dead atm

so classes that have high base resource like rogue will obviously make less noise than a barbarian

[gritty vale]

It would be cool to tie certain abilities or constructions to Resourcefullness. Like at certain stat points you can construct rudimentary traps, alarm systems or barricades.

[upper carbon]

how do u join more class discussions

[gritty vale]

In that case adding a high resourcefullness base stat to rogue would make them play out more like a Rogue from Dungeons and Dragons than a Skirmisher/Ninja class in other games. Rogues in Dungeons and Dragons were rewarding for their creativity, not the speed or agility.

[gritty vale]

As far as I'm aware you have to rejoin the discord

[vapid arch]

which is also why i would've preferred a subclass system instead of a multiclass system

they already have a subclass system in place with caster/front line cleric and pdr/slayer fighter so idk why they didnt continue with that

[lean furnace]

Any idea what the best substat is for ranger?

[gritty vale]

Yeah..... It's also going to have a lot of balancing issues, with other classes being able to borrow strengths from other classes without any of the other weaknesses. Feels like a ton of easy content could be adding by just making old skills more viable and adding more.

[gritty vale]

Strength/physical power, true weapon damage and armor pen are the best atm, it depends on your build.

[fleet bone]

does the golden key quest count as completed for the team. or does each member need to go in and individually open the door with a key

[fringe condor]

the amount of rangers with wallhack is actually insane bro, wtf is happening with the anticheat?

[carmine walrus]

It's only the person who opens the door. Here is a guide on it all
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JX7y6MHHL9gqEBSIjAwXdlBMAUm8IR0UA0d01kbyh6Q/edit#heading=h.nacabkx0oc00

[vapid arch]

can't wait for rogue with shadow touch, barbarian with sprint, and warlock with advanced healer

[amber frigate]

howcome they havent fixed the C button yet

[valid niche]

take rogue out of the game 🙂

derrrr im a rogue. I poison crossbow shot and run away and stalk you all game with 110% MS. can't catch meeee

"balance"

[vapid arch]

welcome to range meta

[maiden bough]

does the solo, duo, trio function still rotate between maps? or is goblin caves always solo now and crypts is always trios again?

[valid niche]

only range that seems broken is the rogue. I havent encountered a ranger or fighter with this sort of dumbness. it's all these +2 all rogues with their double hand-crossbows... pop the shots and run, close doors, reload, repeat. Annoying af. can't get near them.

[vapid arch]

good rangers do the same, and good barbarians will bring 30 fransiscas

[vapid arch]

they've removed map rotation

[signal osprey]

would be cool if ranked mode like qued you with your rank instead of these god damn pathfinder mongrels

[maiden bough]

@vapid arch is ruins not a map anymore? or is it just part of crypts? sorry im a returning player

[vapid arch]

ruins is currently no longer in the game

[vapid arch]

ranked is now wanderer to demigod for queues, and the other two ranks below wanderer queue into each other

[coral junco]

no ruins biggest L

[signal osprey]

^ that is absolutely awful its just a band-aid fix to there broken ranked system. The only reason they made it like that is so you dont get overly friendly lobbies in higher ranks

[maiden bough]

you high roller queue is based on rank now?

[vapid arch]

@signal osprey "After the patch, the matchmaking pool for High-Roller rank will be adjusted to [Neophyte, Apprentice / Wanderer, Pathfinder, Voyager, Examplar, Demigod]."

its a little bit fucked yes

[signal osprey]

litterally makes no sense

[limpid folio]

This is so dumb, people just kiting forever, there should be a retreating from combat movement penalty for like 15 seconds

[vapid arch]

a fix like that wouldn't work and would just cause further problems, if they want to remove people spamming from range then there needs to be a significant distance and damage drop off for range

[vapid arch]

yes, ideally it should be neo-apprentice/wanderer-pathfinder/voyager-demigod but even that might not be good

[signal osprey]

they cant have it like that aslong as you forfeit all points for dieing in pvp. Once you get to higher ranks every opts to team because it doesnt matter how many points kills are as long as you forfeit all your points if you lose.

[vapid arch]

simple fix, make it so you have a negative ap modifier until you kill someone

also some peoples intentions are to pvp and get the best gear, and the best gear in a lobby is the ones other players bring in

[signal osprey]

they just have to calculate ap on death differently thats the only thing they need to do than they can have actual mmr. And make it so if you take other players gear you get an ap equivelent for that. getting no ap for a full inventory is so dumb regardless of what your taking.

[uneven nebula]

why are people so focused on mdr/pdr on barb? xd what about your damage stats like dex & MS & hp and such?? am i lost here..

[vapid arch]

the game is based around looting and extracting, its impossible to have an entirely pvp based mmr system in the game
its hopefully what the arena is going to achieve

[vapid arch]

barb already does a significant amount of damage, its better to be unkillable than to do slightly more damage

[signal osprey]

just make it so you dont forfeit all ap +cost on pvp death

its extremely simple and will make for a better ranked system

have a death penalty would feel alot better than playing the entire match with 3 kills a boss kill and a bunch of interactables just to forfeit all cuz you lost 1 fight at the end of the match

[cerulean sapphire]

Is this 15 in the same match? Do nightmares count?

[fleet bone]

no pretty finnicky

has to be elites and done in a single session.

[dense heron]

Easy just go through 2 rooms in hr

[fleet bone]

yeah just no gear suicide rush some goblins

[dense heron]

Well don't let them hit you ofc

[brisk lava]

You play wiz and complaining about kiting what

[brisk lava]

Single session = 1 match right?

[lilac tinsel]

bro is over thinking it

[patent breach]

Does anyone have a up to date gob cave map

[junior rain]

where do i find the elite frost crossbow skeletons i can only find the archers

[barren ingot]

Just 15 red goblins. You play HR and they are all red so it’s quite easy

[barren ingot]

There’s not many crossbow men spawns best to have a look at a map on google

[jaunty topaz]

There's only like 6 crossbow skeles in ice caves and they are super spread out 💀
Will take some time to do the quest

[earnest current]

dead game after 3 month

[opal patrol]

What pieces can roll +2 all? How much +2 all can be rolled

[wary anchor]

remove ranger fuckin dumb class

[worn jetty]

does speed overflow past 350? i mean like if i have 360 total and pull stiletto out, would it stay caped at 350 or go down to 340?

[wary anchor]

350

[barren ingot]

350 is the cap

[velvet shard]

Pants chest necklace all can have +2 rings can have +1

[karmic arrow]

Let Rogues Creep perk open doors silently? Yay or Nay

[noble moon]

warlock op, why can they still solo wipe everybody is beyond me, they should require at least some degree of skill to use not be able to just W and left click everybody to death warlock needs a rework or a massive nerf for their demon form

[opal patrol]

Yeah the ability to get +10 in demon while already being able to get +8 qll from gear is a bit crazy

[modest siren]

+all probably shouldnt be a thing

[opal patrol]

I thought they learned their lesson but they brought it back

[signal osprey]

finish game and make real ranked system

[limber atlas]

why is this patch so fking unstable. my game keeps fking crashing and lagging

[upper carbon]

is clartic pots still a thing

clarity potion*

[blazing spire]

is golden door only on trios? asking for a quest

[opal patrol]

Not for a bit

[upper carbon]

how do you increase sitting spell recovery, is it knowledge?

[dry nebula]

yes

[upper carbon]

is there another way or onlky knowledge

[dry nebula]

just knowledge i think

[sweet quail]

Nerf warlock plz

[polar talon]

go play something else

[civic vine]

I'm new when are we able to start crafting items in the merchant tab or do you unlock crafting?

[quaint flax]

The devs do not play their own game and it shows. It is the player base's complaints that decide the rules. 95% of every lobby is slayer fighters and warlocks yet, there is no problem to be seen. I wont even get into how useless rogues are because i have given up on that ever changing. This is a joke. Just please the masses and make your game sales. Well done.

[summer bloom]

do magic staffs affect the damage of flame walker?

[clear tinsel]

Does holy light damage wendigos?

[rocky lagoon]

I hate entering a match and the game crashes before I even get out of the pre-game lobby

then it gives me a leaver penalty 💀

lmao

[polar talon]

well i dont know what u are talking about because im actually having a blast killing wizards with my rogue. classes on very maps are pretty much balanced i see everything not only warlock and slayer

[lament pawn]

does slayer damage affect hand crossbows

[undone belfry]

why have creep in a game where 80% of your top players are ESP? hilarious.

[cyan pumice]

What would y'all think of like. A 1v1 Arena mode to gamble your equipment/gold?

[sullen fossil]

that sounds badass

drawback would be it splits the community up even more and its already kinda small

[echo bobcat]

The cleric is too goddamn slow it's almost useless to play one.

Or, it takes forever to get spells back, or it's too damn hard to get knowledge to use anything.

[split nexus]

Hi all, I'm new as of this weekend and hit 15 on a couple characters, is there any kind of decent content/guide around what gear rolls are good for each weapon/class etc? I'd like to buy some nicer stuff to take in but I'm genuinely not sure what will make my barb or ranger better, strength or phys dam or w/e to prioritize?

[jaunty topaz]

HR is just unplayable rn unless you have max all attys and max MS and max dmg rolls

[small marsh]

I want your opinion: do you think the game would be better if all but a few classes had no ranged options?

[polar talon]

no

[small marsh]

I did a fight earlier where I was getting kited by a rogue with bleed and poison hand crossbow, and the only way I managed to do much of anything was lead him into a room he couldn't get out of without stopping to open a door

I probably would have been fine if I had brought a crossbow

[polar talon]

always have a range option\

[jaunty topaz]

yes

every class can throw torch for ranged anyway

[small marsh]

Yeah, I'm working on the woodsman quests so I can always go in with one without a buy-in cost

[brisk mason]

no, at least especially not rn. the melee combat is horrible balanced and honestly feels super inconsistent and horrible a lot of the time.

most fights are who 2 taps the other first, and constantly i will have hits looking like headshots on them and actually being limb shots, and have been getting hit in the head when there is no way it hit my head

[small marsh]

Yeah, it's not super consistent right now for sure. Good perspective, though

[coral peak]

@neat token its cuz u play valorant

[neat token]

hahahahahahahahahaahaha

[mortal valley]

Really bogus to have so little ore for these ore quests esp if you have to get to a specific map to even have a chance at it :\

It doesn't respect the player's time when half these quests effectively require you to random roll onto the correct map and spawn in the correct square after playing the top level of crypts to have a shot at a quest.

[faint hull]

tbh i really dont understand why they added silent walking and then kept it like it was such an unnecessary change and solos is just so boring bc of it

[warped raft]

because even though most hate rogue they all secretly want to be one 😉

[polar talon]

its to balance the game between deaf peoples and you

[terse ridge]

yo will blow of corruption proc if i throw torch at somone?

[polar talon]

yes

[sterile wadi]

Is push to talk V for prox chat?

[polar talon]

Q by default

[proven epoch]

Does anyone know if Ironmace has any pure PvE content they are working on. What I am thinking of is something like a raid in an MMO where you get a party together and go into a "dungeon" fighting bosses.

[weary valley]

is it just me or did they get rid of most of the ores in the goblin caves??

trying to quest and i cant find any rubysilver.

[tropic elk]

Rubysilver is in hell

So is gold. GC Has Cobalt and Copper.

[tropic elk]

So yes.

[weary valley]

gotcha, thank you

[wet leaf]

There is. Select BR server and your mostly alone

[vocal sparrow]

or be a streamer and people wont kill you

[heady yacht]

does anyone know if this game goes on steam again that we can transfer our key?

[vocal sparrow]

no idea but it probably wont ever be back on steam

[wet leaf]

Could be a "milestone" event in each map, which rewinds timer 2min, giving us more time to enjoy. I often feel the matches are too quick. Like all speed shrines activated, or boss killed.

[vocal sparrow]

they need to just get rid of the wall and make it like the ice cave or redo it in a fun way atleast

sometimes you have an epic feeling fight like a 3v3v3v2 or something and if you win you dont have any time at all to loot anything

[fading palm]

do you have to complete the kill quest before you can make copper gear?

[wet leaf]

Yeah, i feel this.... Epic fight moments, tons of loot to share with your team, but instead its a chaos run to any portal....

[distant estuary]

Hey guys is the surgeon Quest where u have to interact with the heal Shrines buggy? or do i have to interact with 3 DIFFERENT shrines? greetz

[twin spear]

from what ive heard it has to be 3 different ones and you have to be the first to use that shrine

[maiden nymph]

Bugged. I tried even 3 different shrines and still didnt counted

[distant estuary]

Sad an d ty for ur answers

[vocal sparrow]

i cant remember wheres copper again?

[twin spear]

alright i just did the quest
its not bugged it does have to be 3 different shrines and you have to be the first one in the match to use them
@maiden nymph

[distant estuary]

That still sounds buggy to me 😄

[twin spear]

it follows how other things in the game work
like AP in hr if you open a chest you get AP but only if your the first

[distant estuary]

Other Question do u guys have a Interactive Map of the Frozen Cavern?

[twin spear]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/IceCavern-01-N

[maiden nymph]

Thats such a bs… being a first one but ty for info tho

[distant estuary]

@twin spear U are a god wish u a big cheezy Pizza ❤️

[twin spear]

best spot for the quest is (assuming left to right rooms are 1-25)
room 14,18, and 19
they all usually have a health shrine (19 can be a sacrifice sometimes)

[wind venture]

Solo's is truly a sad time for barbs.

[obtuse ermine]

ive just done it two games in a row and second game tried to use it with missing health and it did not work

[gray remnant]

oh how the turn tables

[valid niche]

Solo's is a sad time for anyone not playing rogue/warlock.

[winter tinsel]

Anyone know if the Cyclops falling rock phase is on a timer? Or is it like Ghost King where he does it at certain %

[valid niche]

certain percent. 75% health, 50% health and 25% health

[winter tinsel]

Hmm ok so 3 phases not too shabby, 🙏 thank you

[valid niche]

no prob good luck

[winter tinsel]

Thanks haha I spent like 5 hrs on it already. Shit is rough

I keep failing the dps check on falling rocks lol

[valid niche]

i hear that ive only logged 1 kill in about the same amount of time messing with it. pain in the ass lol

[winter tinsel]

Ye I even tried healing thru it as a warlock. Turns out hellfire spam doesn’t seem as powerful as it sounds

[valid niche]

there's chains stickin out of the ground you can stand on to kinda cheese the rocks falling if you're in the right position but it's still not entirely safe

[winter tinsel]

I’m thinking just staying full HP and going full melee with dots up while he’s slamming is the play

I gotcha, I haven’t seen but I’ll keep an eye out. I know you’re supposed to crouch jump too

[valid niche]

yep crouch jump is pretty crucial. the chains are near one of the corners i think. kinda works sometimes, depends on position and if you're ranging. if melee, best to just attack his back full speed while hopping like a pogostick lol

[winter tinsel]

Yeah makes sense. I watched a Barb do that after I died lol

Appreciate the help tho

[valid niche]

no worries. glad to help.

[languid cedar]

can you get the treasure chest from normals loot hoards?

[winter tinsel]

Don’t think so. I’ve never seen it from a norm lobby

[untold plume]

The big issue is, you need to interact with three different shrines BEFORE anyone else interacts with them. If someone got to them before you and they recharge it no longer counts as a new interaction.why? Because lol, lmao!

[twin spear]

only HR hoards can drop coin chest
that being said any map and any hoard works in HR though

[subtle heart]

Is Ruby Ore and blue Ore used for anything anymore

[twin spear]

yes still the same crafts
you unlock crafts by doing quests
there is also a quest each for 6 ore

[subtle heart]

good to know. Probably wouldve sold otherwise

[vapid arch]

the issue isn't ranged being too effective, its the nature of melee vs ranged in general
there's no real way to make it balanced and so long as ranged exists then someone will always be wanting to kill an opponent from range or pepper them up before going into melee
people use throwables before a fight for the same reason people use prot pots, its creating a health disparity in their favour
the only way you can make ranged combat better is by making it more engaging, IE giving it more utility options instead of just raw damage
my idea would be having different types of arrows/bolts that work better against different types of armored targets, or work better at further ranges or not, so rangers/bards/fighters/rogues actually have to think about what they're using before they fight
likewise with casters, you can create spells that are more or less effective against different targets
as for throwables you can reduce the arc and damage of them dramatically the further they go, so they're less "range" and more something you have to be close but not in melee range to use effectively

[valid niche]

increase melee users move speed by 25% and ranged issue goes out the window

they can't just spam range and run away without consequence

[twin spear]

i will just point out this is pretty much how it currently is on rogues
hand crossbow damage is pretty low so kills with it are only gotten by rupture spam and taking forever to fight
hand crossbow is used by most rogues to engage using cut throat and rupture for some opening damage and the ultility of disabling spell casters
also there is already falloff damage the longer a projectile travels
throwables are balanced much better after the change of needing 1.75 seconds to equip them to a slot
so mid fight they are engage damage
i do however like the idea of more utility being added

@valid niche increasing move speed would break things

[valid niche]

cant break whats already broken

[vapid arch]

i too love the ideas of barbarians being faster than everyone else

[twin spear]

range isnt broken
people who think it is just W key rush at a ranger and think they should win
range is strong sure but to beat it you have to outsmart them

[valid niche]

lmao

range is beyond busted.

[vapid arch]

the ability to deal equal or more damage from range while people are stuck with melee is an inherent issue and not fun or engaging to fight
"outsmarting" someone who fights from range is merely relying on them making mistakes

[twin spear]

i agree that it needs some changes but in its current state there really isnt anything broken about it
its very possible to beat rangers and other ranged classes
so yes changes should be made that allow for more creative ways to go against it
but that doesnt mean the range it self needs nerfs

[valid niche]

what class do u play?

[twin spear]

give me an example of how you think its busted

[twin spear]

i play rogue
and use my handcrossbow to hit a caster with cutthroat to beat them

[valid niche]

yeah figures.

rogue with hand crossbow is one of the top meta's running around and you're telling me it's not busted lmao

[twin spear]

i use 1 bolt to start a fight
then use dagger after that
what about that has anything to do with what you say
handcrossbow damage is very low no matter how you look at it

[valid niche]

thats a u problem then. no one else is doing that.

[twin spear]

who said it was a problem i win most of my fights

[valid niche]

idk what rank you're in but no rogue is pushing in after 1 crossbow shot and winning in my lobbies.

[twin spear]

its crazy that youll sit here say something is broken (most likely cause you died to it and your ego is hurt)
but have no detail to explain why its broken

@vapid arch actually has ideas that could be used to better the game

[twin spear]

who said to W key as a rogue
i use my speed to dodge attacks and get dagger hits in inbetween
thats the whole point of a rogue, mobility

[valid niche]

theyre picking off health/heals/protection pots and running. won't engage until you're low. will literally chase around the entire map and run back 4 grids when u push.

using 10+ crossbow bolts with poison lol

[twin spear]

as the slower player you should try to force yourself into a better position where you have the advantage
bows come with high movement penalties and allow you to most of the time outspeed the ranger or rogue that has it out
as for picking off heals
arrows and bolts are also resources that they use up to do this
so it would be attrition (which i can admit is not always fun)
but they spend resources to make you spend resources

the damage and speed of the weapons isnt a problem
what needs to be done (ironmace has said this is a change that will happen)
is a quiver system that limits the amount of arrows you can bring in to the dungeon
this would force ranged classes to be smarter and less spam heavy with their arrows

[valid niche]

i've been running cleric with 105% MS and can't catch them.

no range = can't touch em.

it's literally the same story every rogue i encounter. 5min back n forth until i run out of heals and they push with a cut throat bolt after stalking me for ages.

[twin spear]

bro cleric is the slowest class in the game
but ill tell you right now
no rogue with rupture poison and spamming handcrossbow will do anything to a cleric that has perserverence and protection from evil
the cleric will take 0 damage over time
all classes are meant to have weaknesses
also cleric does have range so dont pretend it doesnt

[valid niche]

what range? are you high?

holy strike? is that what you're on about? lol

[twin spear]

holy strike
judgement
both only require you to get a bit closer to hit for insanely high damage

[valid niche]

i run both of those perks and absolutely get damaged by bolts

[vapid arch]

no class in HR is slow or fast, it all comes down to build
cleric only has 3 range spells and they're not the best ranged options in the game
cleric having perseverance and protection from evil doesn't stop them from taking 0 damage, especially with true phys and magic

[brisk lava]

It isn't busted actually.. and it just got nerfed to shit

[valid niche]

why cus hide isn't a complete free win anymore? please...

[twin spear]

0 damage is an exaggeration but protection from evil alone more than halves any damage over time effect
and perseverance cuts it a ton more

[valid niche]

for one or two shots sure. try getting stalked for 10+ shots in your asscheeks by someone you cant catch and come back to talk.

[brisk lava]

So close a door lmao

[valid niche]

are you aware of rogue interaction speed?

[twin spear]

bro if i were to put on a full poison build then sit there and rupture poison spam a cleric
by the time i run out of bolts they will be half health which they then could heal with 1 spell cast
unless that cleric is base gear

[brisk lava]

Sit on door press sprint ez

[valid niche]

sorry i don't wanna play a door for 10 minutes til one of us gets bored.

[twin spear]

are you aware that if you close a door the rogue has to get close again to open it
there is your opening to close the gap
also if your running an open a door to run the rogue pushing means you can turn around and 2 tap with smite

[valid niche]

they open and back up immediately lmao. how is it this hard for you to comprehend the problem.

some classes can handle it, sure. but others never stand a chance.

[twin spear]

close the door again
dont play into the kiting
getting kited is a choice
it doesnt work if you just run from them
kiting requires you to run at them

[twin spear]

thats the point of a class based game
some classes are strong vs other ones and weak vs others

[brisk lava]

That's what rogue has to do against pdr tho

[twin spear]

@valid niche its like you cant see it from the otherside
if a rogue makes a single mistake they die
because the have the lowest pdr and health in the game

[brisk lava]

On top of dealing with 2 health bars and a crossbow

[valid niche]

or maybe play stealthy like the class is intended. cutthroat and ambush in the back with decent gear is fuckin up anything idc what the pdr is.

[twin spear]

stealth isnt an intended part of rogue
rogues are always about mobility
stealth is just a side option on rogues
i dont get why people dont know this

[valid niche]

credibility with that statement just went to shit.

[brisk lava]

Lmao full cap

[steel tendon]

anyone know dark ritual room C ?

[brisk lava]

Go hop on rogue and try ambushing a 70% pdr cleric fighter or lock..tell me how that goes

[twin spear]

if you dont think rogues are about mobility then you might want to look into what a rogue is
stealth is common but not the main point of the class

[brisk lava]

You realize rogue plays hcb because they can't do shit against pdr right?

[viral tree]

Anyone have an ideal comp and tips for warlord? My team has all bosses down except for him. We’d like to defeat him a few times in normies (which is arguably harder) before moving to HR.

[vapid arch]

its one of the boss rooms in hell, ghost king i think

[twin spear]

i think its warlord actually

[valid niche]

"full cap" yeah there goes your credibility too.

[brisk lava]

Uh ok

My credibility is 1400 hours on rogue calling out your bs

[twin spear]

"the people who disagree with me are wrong because i say so"
bro you actually have yet to provide an example or a decent explanation other than
"i have a hard time dealing with them"
you know rogue is most commonly understood to be the weakest class in the current state of dark and darker right now

[valid niche]

I provide examples but your excuses are endless.

[twin spear]

your examples have only ever been "i have trouble fighting them"
you give no factual evidence to show that its strong
only anecdotal

[valid niche]

lmao. says the guy that thinks cleric has viable ranged ability.

[brisk lava]

Judgement..boom rogue runs away

(You can also judgement through doors..cause that's fair)

[twin spear]

judgement takes away half a rogues health even if the cleric is base gear and the rogue is full purple
holy strike also has really high base damage

[brisk lava]

1 judgement 1 holy strike actually kills most rogues

[twin spear]

yeah 1 judgment 1 holy strike
but dont worry as a rogue you have to hit the cleric with atleast 20 bolts with rupture to get close to killing a cleric

[valid niche]

Holy strike got nerfed incase you aren't aware. Ez af to dodge. Very limited casts. Miss your shot and you're dead af. It's not a viable loadout to run in HR dungeons as the counters are many.

[brisk lava]

20 bolts per heal

[valid niche]

yall sharing the crackpipe or what

[brisk lava]

Idk mate I don't play a support class in solos

[twin spear]

holy strike is meta what are you on about

[valid niche]

it's definitely not in solos. Not anymore.

[brisk lava]

Cleric is one of the most vulnerable 1v1 class which is why it's not good for solos and meta for 3s

[fiery lion]

can anyone tell me the best perks and skill for starting warlock

[brisk lava]

You're telling me you're more worried about hcb rogue than wizards lmao?

[fiery lion]

new to the class

[quiet lance]

Keep all messages sent SFW and everyone be respectful in your conversations :))

[vapid arch]

shadow touch, dark reflection, the magic damage reduction one, torture mastery

[valid niche]

I wasn't solo'ing out rogues. I was talking about ranged being busted in general.

[twin spear]

what kind of playstyle do you want to do

[brisk lava]

[brisk lava]

Well yeah that applies to a lot more than just cleric

[fiery lion]

there is more than one

at level 1?

[valid niche]

cleric was just an example

[twin spear]

there are 3 decent builds for warlock right now
1 is melee focused
other is spell/sustain
3rd is heavy spell damage with lower sustain

[valid niche]

as theyre the least ranged class as far as I know

[fiery lion]

ah okay

[brisk lava]

Well yeah ranged meta is cancer but playing cleric in solos is asking to be lubed up unless you're fully juiced

And even then it's still the most vulnerable class

[valid niche]

ive gone in very juiced with good 1v1 builds. very even fights when I square up with just about anything outside of caster lock or hcb rogue.

[brisk lava]

Ok and rogue gets hit by 1 zap or crossbow shot it's nearly dead

[valid niche]

tbf so is the cleric lol

[brisk lava]

Not with 5 heals and 60% pdr maybe against wizard yes

[valid niche]

thats if u run spellbook

and a ton of pdr which = lower MS

[brisk lava]

If you aren't running spellbook you're actually griefing your entire class

But you do

[valid niche]

i know at least 5 demigod clerics that heavily disagree

[brisk lava]

And I doubt many of them complain about toothpick shooting rogues

[valid niche]

even with the spellbook, it doesn't make much difference. Holy strike without judgement is pretty useless in most cases now that the radius has been decreased. taking judgement means no divine intervention, which is crucial to the build to fight most other classes.

I mean... idc what your rank is. being unable to touch a class that maintains a safe distance no matter what you do is hella annoying.

guess i'll throw 500 torches at rogues from now on. thats my solution.

[brisk lava]

So you're running smite and divine protection and complaining about ranged

Bruh

[valid niche]

yes. because even with spellbook and holy strike, it's ineffective.

i feel like i've covered that base like 4 times now but sure I'll repeat myself.

[brisk lava]

Just imagine how broken cleric would be with a crossbow

[valid niche]

it'd be busted. im not advocating for that lol

[spice lion]

happy to interrupt but removing warlocks phantomize would balance the class

[valid niche]

warlock is a whole different level of clusterfuck

[fading plinth]

Boi, holy strike with stacked additional magic damage can like, 2-3 tap multiple classes. And you have smite or divine to trade into people on melee.

Also: if catching people is your concern. Build speed and magic damage, not PDR. Chapel gives agility, grab one with +2 true magic, grab a cloak with additional magic damage, grab turnshoes with move speed bonus, and flesh the rest out with lightweight armor.

You will be fast enough to catch up to any class, and if you run holy smite you can get people low with holy strike then finish them off by smiting and chasing them down with your Torch out.

[twin spear]

that would take away all mobility on the class
i mean i think a slight nerf on it would be fine but taking it away would make warlock kinda worthless

[spice lion]

delete warlock

[fading plinth]

People out here building PDR cleric in solos, then complaining they get kited. Like what.

[valid niche]

ima be honest. I never even thought of using smite with my torch out lol. but you clearly missed the conversation starter where I said i build my cleric for 105%+ MS.

[twin spear]

exactly PDR is balanced by the fact that you have to give up speed

[spice lion]

i understand allowing the class to be overpowered so that we can work backwards towards something that makes sense but they're out of control

[twin spear]

actually im curious what exactly do you look for on gear
cause 105% isnt a ton if your movespeed focused also, is that with weapon out

[fading plinth]

If you build speed and hit like, 2 or 3 of your strikes and they just start running from you, legit just chase, smite, beat them to death with your Torch. It's hilarious AND effective

[worldly plover]

we need a serious game balance update, every character has a counter, this is not overwatch every character based offrom user input should be able to beat another character, it cant be based offrom where I spawn, and the skills on each class which objectively counters other classes and make them remotely useless. this was the funnest game and Id come home from work to play this game until midnight. now i come home use a kit with 3 uniques and lose to a pdr fighter with a crossbow who second winds and sprints with 295 move speed with his falchion and heater and three hits me because i have 30 pdr because i am using a class which would counter the other 3 classes that are always busted.

[brisk lava]

Phantomize? Try removing their 60% pdr with hardly a cast penalty with daggers and heater shields lmao

Phantomize like the least broken thing on lock

[knotty nova]

nah you didnt cool story though

[twin spear]

class based games are going to have counters you can get around that
also with the extraction style game you shouldnt take every fight
balance isnt perfect but you cant expect counters to not exist and that with this style of game that PvP isnt the only part

[valid niche]

+1 atrributes on rings with agility/dex. +2 all on necklace with agility/add move speed.
+2 att on frock and loose trousers
Dex/str on lightfoot boots and light gauntlets
Dex/str on Chapel
Adventure cloak

[spice lion]

😂 i want to complain about so much but it's painful to say without acknowledging i am not able to play around their might

[worldly plover]

I dont take every fight, its the fact that every one who sees you takes a fight with there 314 move speed on rouge while shooting you in the basck with rupture and running away throwing knifes in ur meat while backking up, still always faster than you

[twin spear]

you need to avoid the dex on cleric
dex is attack speed which isnt bad but you should be focused more on vigor on cleric if anything
also i would give up the frock for a padded tunic atleast

[valid niche]

the + all att gives me a fair amount of vigor. dex is pretty crucial to maintain a reasonable attack speed. padded tunic slows you down too much. that's detrimental to the MS goal.

[fading plinth]

Padded tunic is awful, wat. Frock is amazing for cleric solo because of its crazy armor rating and low move speed modifier.

[twin spear]

yeah but cleric hits hard you dont really need the attack speed on cleric

[twin spear]

padded gives strength and has a low movespeed penalty for its armor rating
frock is good but not for armor

[fading plinth]

If he's running smite, dex is good for him as well. It allows him more swings during the smite window. Bro do you know how to build at all?

[twin spear]

again i said dex isnt bad
but most of his gear has dex
he doesnt need all that
thats more than a rogue needs even

[fading plinth]

Strength is one of the worst stats in the game, padded is trash. Frock or mystic vestments armor rating with a vigor roll will do you 10x better.

Trade Lightfoot boots for rugged boots or turnshoes with health and movespeed rolls. Rest is fine. Get true magi on chapel

And additional magi on cloak

[valid niche]

bout to be putting the hurt on people with my torch :3

[fading plinth]

Optimal build would be to have additional magi on your rings as well, but that gets expensive.

[spice lion]

after drinking ale i would like to throw empty cup for torch damage

[twin spear]

strength is both health and phys damage plus padded has 50% more armor than either of those options

[brisk lava]

L2aim crossbow ezpz

[fading plinth]

And also slows you down a lot more. Padded is trash anyone who is using it is monkey there's a reason it's cheap. Only fighter and Barb run it

Who both have things that increase their ms 🤔

[worldly plover]

crossbow doesnt beat fast rogue, or high pdr caster/barb

[brisk lava]

Sure it does

[polar girder]

Just click heads

[worldly plover]

did you get demi god?

[brisk lava]

Crossbow does at minimum 60% of an average rogues hp bar

[twin spear]

i really dont get why you are hating on padded
and its not cheap
its more than either of your choices for price
which shows its more sought after

[brisk lava]

Exemp 1 in solos why

Why are you bringing up a pve rank

[worldly plover]

i was demigod last season and demi this season, im having no fun, im waitingh for the updates that they promise and delay and make other characters the best for no reason

[fading plinth]

Most of this vid still applies but people learned about laced turnshoes so they aren't cheap https://youtu.be/d5eBnmAd-Ho?si=llS8ZdryO7veRVv3

[polar girder]

Not even demi smh 🤓 git gud man

[brisk lava]

Rogue life 😔

[polar girder]

real

[brisk lava]

4 days in a row I've made 2k ap in exemp one then died twice

🪢

[polar girder]

🥳

[pallid jewel]

anyone know how to fix the stutter

[brisk lava]

Try exemp 1 as a rogue where if another rogue or any class sneezes on you you lose 1k ap

[knotty nova]

whats your char name

[worldly plover]

you beat everyone with rupture

[brisk lava]

yeah maybe in Timmy lobbies

[knotty nova]

nah dudes 1 of 99 demis this season you dont believe him?

[brisk lava]

I also die in 2 zaps and 2 crossbow shots from any fighter

And any other landmine rogue

[fading plinth]

Padded tunic on a magic damage cleric build. Thsts why I'm hating on it. That's bad advice, lmao

[brisk lava]

Yeah that's ass

[fading plinth]

Yeah man that 4 strength is gonna really help him as hes beating someone to death with a smite activated torch. How about a frock with less movespeed issues, or mystic vestments with less movespeed issues AND it makes smite hit harder.

If health is a concern, then get health rolls, and grab some reinforced gloves+ruggeds

[eternal lantern]

does anyone know if the ice caves treasure hoard has the chance to roll a named weapon? or a gold chest?

[fading plinth]

I got gold chest from it twice. No named tho

[eternal lantern]

ah, nice, thank you 😄

was wondering the the thing actually drops or not from there, or if it was specific only to inferno

[fading plinth]

I'm ps there is no difference between piles as long as difficulty is the same. Granted boss piles can be hit 10 times instead of 5

[rustic laurel]

rogues def one of best classes

[twin spear]

uniques can come from hoards
but named uniques are from specific spawns
named weapons are each type to certain inferno boss loot tables
and there is a static spawn that can be named in double boss room on GC
i dont know about ice cave hoard and named though
but yeah chests are HR hoards only

[brisk lava]

Yes both..pulled and aegis out of ice hoard 2 days ago

[brisk lava]

All hr hoards can roll named

[twin spear]

are you sure all can
i dont think GC and non inferno crypts can

[knotty nova]

yes but only certain hoards can drop certain bases

in HR anyways, really doubt you can pull one from a norm

[brisk lava]

I literally got an aegis yesterday from ice hoard xd

[sudden aspen]

First part of this is wrong. Named uniques can come from any pile with some having a higher %. Bosses do drop specific names uniques but not the piles, you can pull anything from any boss pile.

[twin spear]

good to know

[brisk lava]

And I'm pretty sure they added named to piles starting with this wipe

[twin spear]

also i just knew that ice hoard had special drops cuase of no boss currently

[brisk lava]

So it's fairly new correct me if I'm wrong

[twin spear]

i want them to add named items specific to troll and cyclops like they have for the other 3 inferno bosses
stinky stick fits troll so much better

[brisk lava]

Yeah Thad be dope

[twin spear]

it just sucks cause as a solo player lich is so painful to fight for certain items

[twin dome]

Should I learn Bard or Cleric as a support

[twin spear]

bard is a little more versatile
but both have there own merit
so up to you
but bard is harder to learn

[twin spear]

do you know if this applies to gold key pile?

[twin dome]

ty Bard seems fun even if harder to learn did not want to waste time if it was in the trenchs to badly though. Think I will try it out

[twin spear]

bard scaling is insane
probably the strongest potential with gear

[twin dome]

First thing I noticed Bard gets a bit screwed by squire huh you can not get all the free meds if youtake all the instruments XD

[gritty vale]

Bard can easily get 105% ms with 50pdr and really good damage. Bard needs every stat so +2 all is incredibly powerful for them.

[jovial orchid]

anyone know why we arent getting like ANYONe in our games in highroller? what is going on is wipe soon or something??

[gritty vale]

Whats your HR rank?

[sudden aspen]

Yeah you can also have the item drop be a named as well in it

[jovial orchid]

no idea, just came back to the game but like we arent getting anyone but like one team MAYBE

[sudden aspen]

Idk about easily lol, would still be a costly kit

[weary valley]

I really wish they would put higher quality ores back in goblin caves. I've never been good at inferno, and having to que 1v3 into crypts and go to inferno in order to get rubysilver for quests is not a good time.

[gritty vale]

Farm troll in GC, one pelt can easily get you a near BIS kit.

[sudden aspen]

No class in this game can get a bis kit with 4.5k

You can get a mid kit with that surely which is more than enough

[gritty vale]

MB, +2 all gear, good rings and +2 all pendant. I said near BIS, I'm talking blues with +2 all and good rare rings.

[sudden aspen]

The term bis is tossed around so much

[gritty vale]

BIS doesn't really mean anything, gear is so easy to get right now that the only real 'BIS' are legendaries/uniques with +all or damage rolls.

[obsidian forum]

hi to unlock the knowledge gloves and boots from leathersmith, can i complete any of the two tier 1 quests?

or does it have to be the survive the goblin caves one?

[twin spear]

any quest that give affinity will work toward unlocks with squire

[sudden aspen]

Bis just means best in slot, no dead rolls. Buying a 5k kit with 25 dead rolls doesn’t make it near bis. 5k is pretty standard and lets you get good kits but definitely not anywhere near bis and idk if you can even get 105%ms with 50pdr

[obsidian forum]

ok ty

[sudden aspen]

A light aketon with 2 all would be min 1k and legs/boots with +5ms would cost a pretty penny

[gritty vale]

For bard I've seen high 50s hovering around 105ms before, that's including buffs though.

[sudden aspen]

Yeah that’s not uncommon I’m just saying it’s not a cheap kit

To get ms + pdr you’d have to get troubadour gear and that alone pushes over 5k for just pants and chest

You can probably build a really shitty kit that gets those numbers but you’d sacrifice 2 all on your pieces

[gritty vale]

I've gotten some crazy deals on them before, depends on the market(This was pretty early in wipe). I've seen it, and you can get pretty crazy sets with 3.5~4.5k gold. It depends on what your going for, what I usually see from bards in solo is true damage and ms and they basically play a more agile ranger. I also usually see high pdr ms builds in crypts where it's far FAR more easy to farm money.

[sudden aspen]

It’s easier to farm trios if your team is good, other wise you’ll be wiping every other game. For solos I build dex/damage but I know the rank one player builds pdr and hp which I personally am not fond of because of how slow you are. Bard has a ton of viable build options unlike most classes

[gritty vale]

Yeah, for warlocks and wizards you usually want high ms with good ranged damage to kite their spells and not get BOC'd. Trios also depends on rank and region, OCE is an obstacle course of hackers I've heard, and the early ranks are easy af. Might honestly be a viable stat to just make new characters to farm HR BOSS and transfer loot.

[sudden aspen]

Eh

[chrome igloo]

this is day 3 of asking for help regarding my connection problem nobody is responding on the ticket I submit. Can somebody help me when I try to connect to the game the game just crashes I try to reinstall and repair files but it is not working. Any ideas?

[subtle cairn]

I don't get it. Right after I die I am presented with 3 options, death cam, spectate, and leave. But after watching the death cam I only have 2 options. Why dont I have an option to leave? I want to watch whoever killed me pov, and then I want to leave most likely, why do I have to wait another loading to go to spectate in order to be able to leave? terrible ux

[median hearth]

Nice gameplay everyone running slayers or rogues with crossbow cant do melee pvp just spamming range shit just remove melee weapon noone use it

[north ravine]

Guys, my friend has a trial code but can't run the game. He presses the play button in the launcher, waiting. But after he sees Stop button suddenly there is a Play button appears again.
Maybe someone has faced a similar problem?

[ivory cedar]

Just press esc and leave like we all had to before the death cam feature ?

[subtle cairn]

If you press esc on death cam is the same than perssing espectate, a loading, and only then you can leave

[ivory cedar]

So what are you complaining about?

[subtle cairn]

That it takes an extra loading screen, extra time. When they already have 3 buttons before death camera, why don't they just keep it like that once you are on the death camera

[winged hatch]

are servers acting really weird right now or is it just me? high latency, like 10 seconds of running in place before dcing. enemies can still hit you but you cant switch weapons

[sterile rivet]

is the Sanctified Healing quest bugged right now?

[muted verge]

Man fighting a barb as a wiz in normal goblin caves is beyond cancer. I can hit him 4 times while kiting and still lose from 1 throwing axe 1 melee hit. All I want to do is just get the stupid mining quest done so I never have to go back

[sudden aspen]

wizards when they can't 2 tap every class^

[muted verge]

it's not that like 4 spells and hes half hp. Like what do i have to do to win? They have so much MR with gear and perks. They do almost twice the damage i do at range.

[sudden aspen]

ice mastery + bolts are your best friends against barbs

try to get them down to less than half and let them all in you with mm, should kill them if you kite efficiently

[muted verge]

Yeah bro I hit hit with 3 bolts fire ball half hp he gets 1 axe off slows me to half the speed of smell and I lose. While I needed to hit him at least with 2 or 3 more ice bolts or soemthing

[sudden aspen]

barbs do have a lot of mr but they're slow, just kite and do your best to avoid the achilies

[icy pawn]

You have haste invisible slow... kite the barb with none of those

[sudden aspen]

running 10 spell in solos is troll

[icy pawn]

Crying about a wizard not being able to kite a barb is troll

[muted verge]

got try to kite a bard get hit with 1 axe gg the slow on those things is worse than my ice bolt with ice mastery and it does more damage

[sudden aspen]

yeah but its also not that hard to dodge a franchisca

if you do get hit with it just cook a bolt, its the same slow as projectiles expect it locks them in place

[trim bramble]

Is there Rubysilver spawns on Goblin Caves?

[icy pawn]

I believe only in inferno, crypts level 2

[onyx valve]

Is there an LFG channel?

[icy pawn]

Yeah just below here

[trim bramble]

#lfg-europe

[onyx valve]

It says that is not on my "channel list" am I missing something?

[muted verge]

Yeah sure you can try to dodge but it's not 100% Eventually hes going to land it. then you ice bolt to stop his push and it doesn't matter you're getting one tapped. THis wouldn't be as much of an issue if I could just do damage to them. 4 spells and they're half hp lik you have to admit that's busted. Guy prob stacking all MR gear with iron will. Just feels really unblanced.

[trim bramble]

check the "in-game" tab

We need map rotation back for solo questers

[muted verge]

we need the devs to focus on balancing and bring ruins backs

[sudden aspen]

its common sense that an anti magic build is gonna be anti magic. If you can't get him below half with 4 bolt headshots you probably aren't very geared and balancing shouldn't be your focus, it should be getting better gear

[onyx valve]

I deleted the discord and came back. Now its working thanks!

[sudden aspen]

i recommend watching cngblade on youtube

[muted verge]

What do you mean better gear it's normal lobbies I can't bring in better gear.

[sudden aspen]

lol okay nvm then

i dont play norms so can't help ya there

[muted verge]

I could try HR but all I want to do is mine cobalt and never go back hate that place

[gritty vale]

To be perfectly fair, wizards are an actual menace and should be exterminated with prejudice. Barbs are very strong in solos, and are an excellent counter to wizards, rogues and rangers. You also have my full sympathies for quest shenanigans, the quests are completely wacked.

[sudden aspen]

he's playing norms tho so 99% of pvp logic doesn't apply

wizard is broken when its stacking true with ms in solos, can't catch it, can't out dps it.

[timid moss]

Wizard in norms casts so slowly and has way less damage output

[muted verge]

Yep and we get a 2 damage spellbook or 3 if you want to spend 100 gold.

[timid moss]

True damage carries wizard because certain spells receive the greatest buff from true damage and not regular magic damage

[muted verge]

idk my biggest argument is they dropped all this MR gear and gave us nothing to deal with it in normals.

[sudden aspen]

you see the thing is it goes hand in hand with wiz not being able to build damage in norms

anyone building pdr/mdr in norms can't build move speed, they're slow, very slow.

[muted verge]

They all have a movement speed increase button though and the map is designed around melee range. 80% of fight take place is narrow spaces. Esp in GC and as the game goes on it just gets worse. I think they need to rework solos in general. Make it solo self found cap it at blue gear. When you extract gear it's branded as looted solo so you can bring that gear back in. Any gear bought from the market place or found else where it branded looted or handled. Be so much fun for the casual players.

[brisk lava]

It's already a think called normals

Besides being gear capped

[muted verge]

its not though you can't bring greens or blues into normals and you should be able to as solo self found. meaning not gear from the outside is allowed.

[timid moss]

If you are playing wiz in normals throw on staff mastery and ignite and hope it's enough when they close the gap.

Kiting with slow is also mandatory.

Mr gear really sucks for the most part its barbs with free 100 rating that are frustrating.

[muted verge]

I tried it and it just doesn't seem to be enough since they 1 or 2 shot us. You would have to land at least 5 or more damage spells before thinking about melee ignite with a barb.

[sudden aspen]

1. The map isn't melee focused, over half of the rooms are completely open. You're a wizard, you do best in hallways as players can't dodge your spells, also, you actively choosing to play in small rooms is YOUR decision. In addition, you said you want to mine and thats it, mining room is completely open.
2. The game shouldn't be adjusted to meet your standards and lack of adaptability. High roller is an understandable thing to complain about but norms is well.. norms...
3. Those "move speed buttons" can be negated by ice mastery bolts, like i already said, and barb rage is only 10% ms so with mdr gear thats like +25 ms.

[woven charm]

Skill issue

[muted verge]

What I"m saying is most fights happen outside of those big rooms because they're few a far between. 10 games now and I have yet to even make it to the mining room. Why is ore in one stupid module is beyond me shouldn't be like that. You can call skill issue all day but I never struggled this hard until they dropped all this MR gear and other changes. That was back when I did actual damage to barbs though.

[timid moss]

Hitting spells with base browns knowledge is non trivial but yes if you hit enough spells before they are ontop of you then you can win.

[sudden aspen]

you might as well run staff in norms lol

you're not gonna do anything with a book

[muted verge]

Yea the play is to start with stalf but when they get close you have to switch

I'm not joking when I say I think it takes at least 6 spells to kill barb now in normals if they're stacking MR

[sudden aspen]

yeah welp just wait till you start playing high roller, 6 is enough on a good day

[muted verge]

You have to choose to do you balance the game around trios or solos. Devs think they can do both.

[bold sable]

Game is balanced around trios. They said so.

[sudden aspen]

the game is in a fine spot your actual question is do you balance it around norms or highroller and the answer is obvious

[muted verge]

Yeah normals is in a weird spot for sure. The most fun I have ever had in this game is the playtest where they capped gear at blue. idk if anyone here played that but it was so good. Gear check was not a huge issue like it is now. That's why I play more normals than HR. It's not fun to go in with a mid set and get gear checked into oblivion.

[loud sandal]

Are the quests worth doing? What’s the benefit?

[muted verge]

yes the biggest is you squire... he will eventually level up to have all white gear for your starting set.

[muted verge]

that and if you like crafting gear it will unlock that for you as well. If you don't care about either than yeah I would say quest are worthless to you.

[bold sable]

Ice caverns is excellent for mid gear hr or "zero to hero" playstyle. Even if you go in as a solo. I dont know if normals is in that weird spot but yeah. Class balance shifts are big between normal and hr.

[loud sandal]

Ok thank you. This does sound helpful. I probably run more Normals than HR.

[sterile wadi]

Damn u can’t do solo crypt anymore???

[muted verge]

You're not wrong when I HR I def enjoy Ice caverns more than crypts. Ruins is my fav map because it was always open and easy to loop around. Also almost zero traps on walls/floor. Crypts and GC I don't really care for.

[sterile wadi]

Do u guys know if solo crypt will come back?

[timber musk]

where is alla the blue and red rocks

[hard rock]

Did they delete the game?

[obtuse rune]

Hey havign some trouble completing the Absoultely batty quest need to get into Waiting room inferno anyone know if its a special location?

[sly saffron]

Guys I’m gonna go look at the sun today without glasses wish me luck

[gritty vale]

Remember boys, gear fear is pointless. Find good people and use BIS gear now while it's meaningful before last 2 weeks of season.

[desert gull]

What class would you guys say needs the most love atm?
like, not even power level, just in fun factor

[polar talon]

barbarian

[calm torrent]

game is shit with +all i ghot oneshoted by a warlock BOC and all eh had was green gear with +1all 🙂 i tried the game after getting angry at the disbalance and i guess i aint coming back after all 🙂 enjoy dying game how is it that warlock is a problem for 6+month and they keep buffing it xd

[high sapphire]

yeah its still happening to me even after the nerf lol. fuck warlocks

[dry nebula]

fuck warlocks 🥴

[cobalt badger]

The trick to not getting one shot by warlocks, is to be a warlock and one shot them first.

[dark oracle]

who else playin durin the eclipse rn?

[spare elbow]

Im pretty sure boc is busted too, i blocked a warlocks knife 3 times with boc up yesterday and it didnt burn off

[dark oracle]

that sun be black as hell

[spare elbow]

Its just the moon blocking the light, the sun isnt actually black

[dark oracle]

yeah it is dude

[narrow bane]

woosh

[dark oracle]

it's getting dark and darker

[spare elbow]

I mean i knew he was joking and i was being sarcastic, so i guess woosh you!

[dark oracle]

no one's gonna ba dum tss me?

i'll try again in another 20 years

[desert gull]

don't think that is specific to BoC, I've seen and had that happen with other things like Rupture and Achilles Strike

[jaunty topaz]

There's no point in using gear tho unless it's max all attys, max MS, and max damage
High level gear is just way too strong to the point where even using mid-level gear feels useless

And the thing is these gears with all attys + other relevant rolls are prohibitively expensive and takes ages to grind the gold for

So I guess in a way there shouldn't be any gear fear for mid-tier gear because it sucks bawls when you get stat checked by ultra tryhard sweats running insane roll gear

The gap between low and high gear is just that wide

[weak star]

Dann warlock still broken huh this class needs a rework

[gilded prairie]

I've been hearing conflicting things.

Can anyone confirm that troll pelt still drops from Cyclops?

[brisk mason]

It doesn’t

[blazing pewter]

🥛 https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/482571/add-milk-to-the-game

[gilded prairie]

Lame. Love killing cyclops; hate killing troll lmao

Thanks brotha

[dry nebula]

if you block the hilt it wont go away, you have to block the blade of the weapon

[proper shuttle]

make loot better cause why did i loot 1000 chests in a game and got nothing for my character

[crude osprey]

do physic and magic prot pots stack?

[random bramble]

Magic needs to be scaled down in melee combat, way too powerful atm

[rotund sphinx]

how likely are we to get a vampire class?

i love vampires and i need to be able to roleplay Alucard

[vapid arch]

extremely unlikely

just do a magic healing build on warlock

[twin spear]

if you want to see possible new classes then look at the classes in dungeons and dragons 5e
in a QnA not to long ago they said next class after druid will likely be a sorcerer or monk

[sacred token]

it's basically warlock. They already have on-hit heals.

[wind venture]

Serious question, in 3v3, how do you defeat buff ball when you don't have a buff ball?

[twin spear]

stall out their buffs and try to focus the buffing characters
if they cant reapply buff then there team comp means nothing
taking out the bard first (sneaking up on them if possible) completely ruins their chances of winning

[wind venture]

@twin spearwhat do you do with the enemy cleric? Do you just ignore the barb and go for cleric and other player?

[twin spear]

cleric is pretty slow so ideally you get the other buffing class first
after the second buffing class is dead
you can put 1 person to make sure the cleric cant buff the barb or heal them
and have the other 2 on your team 2v1 the barb/fighter
cleric is limited on heals and buffs so you can just wear them down
use the environment to your advantage as much as possible
put simply bard is the main concern for buffball comp since his buffs are usually constant
take him out and the buff ball falls apart
if its wiz cleric buff ball then taking the wiz out first is best

[lean harness]

Why is Lobby Voice chat off?

[warm briar]

wtf happend to the room between cyrpts and hell?

[rapid vapor]

To help deter pre-teaming

[twin spear]

it makes it more difficult for preteamers to make sure they are in same lobby

[rapid vapor]

Have we still not heard anything about Druid?

[rotund sphinx]

true… but long teeth, biting, roleplaying!

[twin spear]

currently its bugged
it doesnt allow use of items or abilities
however you can still sit to recover health
and teammates are split into their own room
other than that its the same
you wait for the inferno run to start

[twin spear]

druid is actively being worked on and will be released as soon as its ready
other than that we dont know much

[haughty sundial]

Anyone have any idea on how to get the frost elite crossbowmen quest done fast as someone who doesn't play duo's often

[mellow elk]

They are usually in the bottom of the map, the hut rooms with the wooden bridges. Just watch the one with like 30 axe skeletons

[haughty sundial]

Thanks

[lean harness]

kinda ruins the fun

[twin spear]

i mean its just the pregame lobby there is still voip mid game allowing you to have fun interactions

[lean harness]

yea but its fun to chat with other players in an environment that isnt hostile

[twin spear]

i agree i just prefer that things are made as difficult for preteamers as possible

[gritty vale]

Anyone else notice that arming sword and shortsword dont collide with the center of the longsword?

[lean harness]

how many players are in a full solos lobby?

[magic dirge]

can i not do the alchamists kill 15 death skull challenge in norms? i killed all of pyramid and then church and it didnt give it to me, thats gotta be over 15. no none killed eachother

[twin spear]

did you survive the run you did it in

[magic dirge]

yup

dont need to tho it doesnt say

[twin spear]

i would try it again and just count them to make sure
i did it in HR so i dont know about norms

[magic dirge]

bleh so i shall, its tedious to get the pyramid map lol

[twin spear]

pyramid is on 4 out of 6 layouts
https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/Crypt-06-N

[magic dirge]

lol thank you, seems i have bad luck then

[safe locust]

How do you consistently not take damage from killing cyclops?:)

[velvet shard]

I think no one out heals it

[twin spear]

the only attack that cant be consistently dodged is rockfall
you can time your jumps to dodge the rocks that hit the ground near you
but sometimes they fall on your head which is just unlucky
but with enough damage you can just force him out of that phase
and go back to the normal attacks where you can dodge everything
so the only consistent way to avoid damage from rockfall is to dps the phase quickly
i recommend healing as soon as he gets out of rockfall to make up for any damage you take

[strong sequoia]

is anybody lagging out?

[high sapphire]

sometimes after extracts it gets really weird

[idle wren]

which class is even good now warlock feels awful after the changes is it just fighter meta

[twin spear]

everything is fairly balanced now

[timid sky]

Genuinely curious as to how implementing multiclass will attract new players to the game especially after the move to EPIC. Does IM really expect it to be accessible for most players before end of wipe? Correct me if I'm wrong, but (afaik) you need one character around 75 and at least one other at around 30 before you can earn enough learning tokens to have access to the right combination of skills/perks to open up the broken builds. The average experience for new/casual players in HR is already pretty rough...what do you think it's going to be like after IM implements multiclass but gatekeeps it behind a level grind?

[high sapphire]

its alread a rough and annoying lvl grind especially if youre solo

[zinc kraken]

Its the combination of locking solo's to gobbo caves that will attract people, wym ? xD

[high sapphire]

fri hate playing the same map over and over or 3v1.

[dry nebula]

Every class is good when built appropriately

[gritty vale]

So honest question, anyone know why devs readded +2 all? They did it before and removed it due to balancing issues I'm just wondering what train of thought or experiment they have in the works?

[zinc kraken]

I mean, it makes no sense. Not a big enough playerbase? If 3's rotated everyone would still be on the same map regardless xD

[timid sky]

IMO the devs have done a pretty decent job with balance improvements to classes over the last few patches. Which is why the whole multiclass concept seems so bizarre since it basically wipes it all out in one fell swoop. Back to square one trying to balance everything.

[twin spear]

they readded it cause most base stats on gear have been increased making it not as over powered since most players will have higher stats just from static stats anyway
also the max +all is 8 when before it was 22
so its very different from before
they are trying to find the sweet spot where it works as a stat

[gritty vale]

They nerfed it after it was 22, then nerfed it again and removed it back then. The issue is that it's being added on to gear with already high stats...

[dry nebula]

I agree, everything will be busted or watered down to accommodate

[twin spear]

yes i know it got nerfed but that went too far
and it being added on to higher stats means that it gives less overall
since stats have diminishing returns anyway
like i think its still a little strong but its much more fair than either iteration before

[gritty vale]

They still haven't 'nerfed' the vigor gain from +all, or the move speed froma agility. I get what your saying but if they were planning to add it back in, did they really have to increase the stats of everything else? They already had balancing issues with certain gear. If they added it back I just want to know why if it's arguably better than other rolls minus maybe true damage?

Which is another thing, maybe +all stats wouldn't be too bad, if you couldn't stack true damage on top of it. Right now having someone gain speed, action speed, casting speed, health, and damage that you cannot negate is kind of throwing a wrench in balancing, especially since you don't have to stat into any specific one and can just have them all.

[twin spear]

people just dont understand that the point of +all is to round out a players stats
be a good boost to the stats you want and make up for your weaker stats to round you out
i agree that currently it is a little strong
as for vigor and agi giving health and movespeed respectively they should
and the higher the stat goes the less it gives
and yes increasing everything else allows players to overall be a little stronger which slows down fights
as for being better than other stats thats simply because it makes up for the weaknesses within your class a bit
and anywhere you can minimize your weaknesses is always good
also increasing everything else makes +all less worthwhile in itself cause it allows you to make your strengths stronger bringing the curve of +all to effectively fill out less

and before you think im against nerfing +all im not
it needs to be brought down SLIGHTLY
honestly i think it should roll exclusively on rings and necklaces but still be +1 or +2 on them
making the max +6

[twin spear]

with this statement
you do know that certain stat rolls are limited to certain items right
and what do you mean damage you cant negate
true damage is negated by PDR and MDR
true damage just means your own scaling doesnt affect it
so that negative power bonus doesnt hurt it
it also means it doesnt increase it

[vapid oyster]

true damage is negated by PDR and MDR wut

[versed spoke]

when is update

[gritty vale]

I was under the impression that true damage bypassed armor?

[ashen plinth]

anyone got this problem ? : when blocking a hit with a shield, the shield wont be released until you left click

[twin spear]

i stand corrected
it does ignore armor but also still isnt affected by your own scaling
so the majority of the attack will still be mitigated i think +11 true is all thats possible right now so not huge

[quick valve]

hey i got a 2 day ban for abnormal detection when i was just playing who do i talk to get this removed?

[vapid oyster]

me, waddup cheater

[quick valve]

im not a cheater

[gritty vale]

curse of pain with the true is kind of nuts same for zap

[twin spear]

make a ticket on the official website
if you didnt cheat they can help you
but abnormal detection means the anticheat picked up software thats untrustworthy running alongside the game

[quick valve]

i get that its why i wanted to figure out how to get it fixed i dont cherat so i know it will get fixed thank you

[twin spear]

zap im not to worried about cause wiz has limited resources
warlock ive proposed a change to fix spell spam because warlock sustain is also crazy they need some downside
#game-discussion message
#game-discussion message

i will also add true damage is still affected by the percent scaling of skills and spells
so like with rogue poison
only 50% of true will be added to poison

[static snow]

anyone else stutter during the day but never at night?

[vapid oyster]

tbh haven't really had a stutter since they fixed it a couple patches ago (except for that 1 patch that broke it again)

[gritty vale]

Same for weapons like daggers, ranged ect. True kind of defeats the purpose of other damage types since the recent patch added a lot of pdr gear for most characters. I'd be fine if it was just for certain skills, abilities or weapons but it's just arguably better than +damage rn, unless you stat into a of armor pen.

[twin spear]

pdr max did get lowered from 85% to 75% in a recent hotfix
+additional is better when you have enough power bonus +additional also rolls higher
but yeah in alot of cases +true is more useful
if anything id like to see the option to get more armor pen which could make additional match up more
cause you only really reasonably get maybe 25% with it on every piece of gear
and 25% of 75% isnt all that huge

[versed spoke]

when next update

[gritty vale]

I said it was easier to get, not that the cap was the same.

[carmine hollow]

anyone know The crouch bind glitch still not fixed for me

[gritty vale]

I was just really confused this wipe, I remembered +all and the balancing nightmare and got confused though it's not as bad this time because of the curve. Then they added creep to rogue 10/10, then they added it to all classes which confused me. I just want to see a direction through all of this.....

[gilded minnow]

11 true is pretty massive when it comes to anything that is quick. Survival bow with +11 true when you can get 10 shots off almost instantly with quick fire and quick shot is nuts. And for casters curses are nuts zap is nuts magic missle is nuts

[rustic dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1bzamja/change_cleric_divine_strike_to_mgkholy_dmg/

[gilded minnow]

Disagree fully cleric is strong enough xdd

[wind venture]

I would really, really love for us to search more options.. let us search for like "knowledge+magic power"

[warped raft]

so when do the magic users go back to being that and not tanks and fighters as well, they went from glass cannons to diamond icbm

[wind venture]

Man, cleric is so stupidly broken in 3v3 it ain't even funny

[warped raft]

whole game is broken

[wind venture]

Spells are being cast wat to quickly, healing is just bloody insane. (because of the rapid healing) if you dont have a cleric, you just playing with a big handicaps

[hard rock]

Is cleric broken rn

[wind venture]

100% broken in 3v3

[hardy geode]

Would you mind giving my post an upvote if you have the time to read it and see if you agree with it? Every upvote would be greatly appreciated and is so helpful towards getting it seen by the devs. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/542961/green-gear-in-normals-or-a-seperate-queue-for-green-gear

[chilly mortar]

fkin wizards and warlocks dominating cause stupid devs cant seem to understand that it doesnt make sense to have ranged spell caster with crazy moving speed just melting you down without you even reaching them. no matter if i have shield, anti magic potions etc etc i cant do anything

[wind venture]

@chilly mortarwalking around with 60 MDR as barb with iron will, still gets destroyed cause you cant catch them, it's stupid. They need to rethink the balancing. Damage stacking is too high, spell casting is too fast.

[chilly mortar]

agreed.. i just spent 5k in a crazy kit to be melted away by 4 zaps and a fireball. i mean come on im not even bad im almost exemplar. i cant reach them, i cant do anything. every wipe i stop playing cause of ranged meta

[wind venture]

Range meta is even worse then before with the huge amount of damage and true damage stacking. It's stupid, last season gear balancing was perfect and they fucked it up

[warped raft]

maybe they will learn their lesson when all that is left playing this is the small demographic of chadwicks and they start paying out of pocket for the game

[chilly mortar]

i bet that if we see statistics right now most sweaty bois are playing warlocks and wizards

[wind venture]

The game is so much fun and it got so much potential. But man, not like this.. entire range meta damage needs to be lowered. True damage needs to be removed.

[chilly mortar]

every fkin time there is 1-2 classes that nobody can deal with and it always has to do with their speed and range

[desert gull]

This post is asking for a way for cleric to scale their melee combat with Will and other magic bonuses...but they already do
The Smite skill grants +10 magic damage to your attacks at 100% scaling
making Divine strike also magic damage would allow clerics to double dip making a geared cleric the hardest hitting melee character in the game

[wind venture]

@desert gullcleric needs to be nerfed, too dominate in 3v3

[rustic dawn]

Smite kind of sucks though if you can walk away from it

[gritty vale]

Speed meta should be brought down a lot. having 112 move speed as a barb or 115 as a fighter isn't okay. I hate the kiting and door spam mixed with ranged, it's toxic.

[rustic dawn]

But the change would not matter in 3v3s - only the Cleric

[chilly mortar]

yes.. they hit you then run back, then again. and thats the game gg

[gritty vale]

It's just a bad gameplay loop, it allows you to run away from a fight at will, dodge attacks and catch players with crazy dps. Movespeed is probably one of the top 2 stats atm.

[rustic dawn]

What if there was a maximum model rotation speed so there was a speed to how fast you could turn and run in the other direction after swinging an attack

[warped raft]

there is no sacrifice/gain on any class other than maybe rogue cause they are just poop unless in all bis but, all the rest of the classes can be the best of all worlds now, build MS and then you got locks/wizards/clerics moonlighting as warriors and tanks while still dealing a ton of magic damage. there has to be a sac/gain or otherwise everyone can do everything.

[gritty vale]

Even adding a larger movespeed penalty when you strike a shield or weapon would be nice, as it is they can get away with just about anything with zero consequence. The only class that might get away with plate or vigor is warlock, and that's purely because they can heal off the damage done in a short time.

[gritty vale]

I've said it before, but I'm fine with classes or builds being super strong. The issue is when their strong in all areas, there should be trade offs.

[warped raft]

that is my point. right now they can be strong in all areas, mostly the mages. when i fight a mage now its like fighting a fighter or barb that can still do too much damage with magic without having to sacrifice that to be tanky or light their weapon up and one bonk everyone. it needs to be one or the other. if you build heavy in magic damage you will not be able to be tanky and have uber melee damage as well. that is the trade off. its called glass cannon for a reason

[tardy sandal]

Clerics were always magic damage tanks

[gritty vale]

yeah..... Nothing more miserable than punishing a wizard or warlock for getting close and then watching them make dust trails with 105 movespeed.

[warped raft]

paladin perhaps. a mixture of a fighting and healing class, a cleric should still have to choose. if you want to be able to heal or cast damage spells...guess what you are gonna be glass

[lament pawn]

friends game isnt launching, giving him black screen only, any fix?

[tardy sandal]

I mean if you wanna be like that, every class should not have crossbow access then because clerics are the only class without a spammable ranged weapon

[muted verge]

weaponsmith battle forge quest kill 3 players. Anyone else just not getting credit for kills?

[warped raft]

i agree, only class that should have it is a ranger cause its what they specialize in, and if another class can get access to it, it should not be as powerful as the rangers abilities otherwise whats the point of even having a ranged class. i would be fine with taking away all the ranged apsects or in the least making them do way less damage cause they are not rangers

[tardy sandal]

It would be very cool if that was the case but until then, clerics need both types of spells or we die

[rustic dawn]

Clerics have always worn medium armor to full plate mail in Dungeons and Dragons.
No class of Cleric in DND has ever been limited to cloth or leather and all can use shields.

Clerics have always been tanks.

[hard rock]

Rangers should be nerfed right

[versed spoke]

whens update

[tardy sandal]

Ranged*, it’s just free damage in every fight, no matter how weak it is everyone would still use it because it’s you hitting your opponent before they can hit you

[frozen umbra]

I think adding magic lock to the doors in troll that persists throughout the fight and like 3-5 seconds afterwards would make it worth fighting, currently it's either third party or get interrupted mid fight.

[warped raft]

regardless this is a game and not a table-top campaign and the balancing is getting ridiculous on some of these classes. not one class should ever be able to be a one man army

[frozen umbra]

Either way, the only possible benefit to fighting troll is the AP. The chance of dying is just too harmful.

[frozen umbra]

Every class is op with enough gear
Warlock used to be a cut above the rest but the BoC nerf effectively fixed that due to his close range capabilities being worse, I still think flame walker is dumb though.

[warped raft]

not when compared to each other, some are far more superior to others spec if in uber gear

[frozen umbra]

For example?

[rustic dawn]

You speak with a tone of absolutism but this seems more like a personal opinon and rant rather than a factual argument. I don't mean to be harsh I'm just not sure another way to put it

[warped raft]

ive watched a bis out bard easily take on trios cause they are buffed to the hilt and are like fighting 3 classes in one

[steady holly]

that definitely happened

[warped raft]

i speak with a tone of watching this game go back and forth so many times im starting to go cross-eyed

[frozen umbra]

Cool, did the team have team have gear? Did they play badly? You can't just say a class is overpowered because they can 1v3 cuz then again, every class would be op.

[rustic dawn]

Maybe stop analyzing and have some fun for a bit. Tune some out

[warped raft]

ill be sure to make an analytical chart for you all next time i witness said bashing of a trio

[frozen umbra]

Maybe you should read the top of the discord channel and see, "game-discussion."

[rustic dawn]

"Every class can be OP with the right gear" is a broad statement but I do agree with it.
This season IS gear heavy and if you can click and swing a weapon, you can be OP with gear

[frozen umbra]

You're blindly claiming stuff without extra reasoning, it's not an analytical chart. You goober.

[frozen umbra]

yippee 🙂

[warped raft]

how is it a blind claim? because you said so, i guess that would make both of our claims blind yes?

[rustic dawn]

I see nothing wrong with that statement.

I'll introduce a fact, class power has not changed as much as gear power from last season. So it's at least by logic a step in the direction of gear making someone OP.

At minimum a big step in that direction

[rustic dawn]

A "blind claim" is when you do not introduce anything concrete

[warped raft]

like you knowing what i see?

its hard to pat someone on the back when their hand is in the way

[rustic dawn]

This guy is f cooking

[frozen umbra]

My brother in christ, what are you saying

[warped raft]

its not that hard to figure out...maybe it was another blind claim

[frozen umbra]

I think birds can magically fly since I can see them just hovering in the sky moving sometimes.

[warped raft]

total blind claim fo sho

[frozen umbra]

I think you understand you're wrong so you're just latching onto two words.
bbg

[rustic dawn]

He's making a joke about an intimate act and then ending with a comment to say "try and figure this out, your move"

While also producing 0 facts that would actually impact his argument

[sacred token]

Good to see the discourse in this channel is as eloquent and clear-headed as always.

[frozen umbra]

Thank you papa ace.

[warped raft]

zealots be zealots

[night night]

what up nabs

[orchid plinth]

get rid of no sound creep!!!!!

[frozen umbra]

Never let him cook 😭

[frozen umbra]

I think creep is fine rn and makes rogue actually playable in his current state of forced crossbow usage.

[zealous nova]

Rogue should be the only class with creep

[sacred token]

This. The rogue was already bottom-tier and they nerfed him again. Meanwhile wizard and warlock keep getting big buffs and tiny nerfs even though they’re already OP

[night night]

OP OP OP

[frozen umbra]

Warlock was just nerfed and if they really wanted to fix wizard and warlock, they'd nerf add magic.
Why does nobody understand how strong it is, holy moly.

[warped raft]

did you also make up "cringe" just wondering cause that was popular, then it was what ...lil bro and now i see everyone saying cook lol

[sacred token]

Like, I DM a lot and I totally get being excited about this cool idea for a character, but at a certain point you have to put aside favoritism and focus on balance.

[frozen umbra]

Are you like 70

[warped raft]

yea, hows ur grams..we went out

[frozen umbra]

She died like a year or two after I was born

[zealous nova]

I have to say things feel balanced at the moment, I read a comment from earlier "this wipe is gear dependant" and I agree. Day 1 player and I have to say the game feels better than it has in a while

[warped raft]

damn ...who the hell was i hanging with ?

[zealous nova]

This wipe would feel even more balanced if they removed 2+ all

[frozen umbra]

Man, just get out of here you're embarrasing yourself lil bro cringe cook.

[hard rock]

Ranged doesn't need to be nerfed people need to learn to block and dodge

[warped raft]

impossible, you are doing it enough for everyone

[zealous nova]

Any class in gobs can outfit themselves in +2 all, not even bis and destroy a lobby

[frozen umbra]

Nuh uh

[zealous nova]

There is no class ATM that doesn't slap with 2+ you can't change my mind on that it's facts

[hard rock]

This guy baits alot I'd just ignore him

[warped raft]

says the troll

[zealous nova]

The only death I've encountered that felt bad this wipe is the silent barb sneaking on me

[sacred token]

Yeah, sure, go hunt down a caster warlock as a +2 PDR fighter and let us know how it goes. Film it, actually.

[zealous nova]

I should be watching my ass I know but just something about them cleric and fighter being able to go completely silent is rough

[warped raft]

try to talk about something in here and you end up getting insulted or berated or called out for an anime profile. so yea eat a big ol D

[zealous nova]

I wish I just recorded my 2nd to last run, it was this exactly

People are never going to play 100% optimal, sure I may be slow and lack magic rez, one cross bow shot and the mistake of me closing the gap cost him

[hard rock]

No I'm talking about the other guy dude

[rustic dawn]

I just went HR crypts to do a quests in my naked squire gear.
I 1v3'd multiple teams and did a flip. Wish i recorded it man

[hard rock]

The Greg guy @warped raft don't be stupid 💀

[warped raft]

my bad i read that wrong 🙂

[rustic dawn]

This sounds like the basis for a modern day country song

It's true soul blues ya know, like I feel that

[frozen umbra]

?

[frozen umbra]

I don't think anyone cares about pfps anymore

[polar sandal]

Is anybody else experiencing an issue where changing the target of spectator mode causes the DaD logo loading screen to appear and not go away?

My assumption is that it has something to do with switching to watching a person who's waiting to go to the inferno, maybe

Since that area seems to be buggy when I go through it myself

[tardy sandal]

People be getting so frustrated they be committing friendly fire in these arguments

[rustic dawn]

Welcome to the Dungeon brother!

[chilly mulch]

man is it just me or are there warlocks EVERYWHERE

[coral wasp]

Boa noite pessoal estou com um problema Update integrity check failed please try again, ja desinstalei e instalei de novo e continua o mesmo erro, tentei usar olounch para repara o jogo e mesmo assim apresenta o mesmo problema
windows 11

[loud basin]

HOW DO I EMPTY MY BAG bro it has 1k idk how to empty it

[tardy sandal]

Buy 4 goin coin purses, set them all in a 2 by 2 grid then alt drag the bag to deposit 200g immediately

[rustic dawn]

I go to your mom's house to empty my bag. OHHH!!!!!!! jk

[sacred token]

So any class can beat any other class as long as the other class plays like a lobotomized chimp… shocker.

[analog grove]

a friend of mine cant crouch jump in this game, is there any alternatives for bind you guys have that could help him?

[turbid onyx]

Mouse bind maybe? Scroll wheel press

[vapid arch]

if you've got troll down to a T its just a matter of anti ganking

[frozen umbra]

There isn't anti ganking, the only anti gank is like invis pots which are temporary when they realize they can just run straight out

it's a 50/50 reward or death

[blazing sinew]

is the "use 3 health shrines in 1 session in ice caverns" quest bugged? i just used 3 separate shrines, while missing health each time, and i extracted

[maiden kiln]

how often does the crafting menu refresh?

[graceful storm]

does anyone know if regular protection pots and the magic ones stack if you drink them back to back?

[graceful storm]

I think it is bugged, my friend and I did the same thing and didnt get it, couldnt figure out why

[ebon garnet]

aanyone else getting the new glitch where when you load out of a game it just keeps loading forever?

[versed moat]

For the kill 3 players in on session quest. if i load in with my buddies and kill 2 players then kill and rez my ally will that count?

[blazing sinew]

no

[versed moat]

Ive had that a couple of times

[vast jasper]

whats the class tierlist looking like rn

[versed moat]

barb buffball

[plucky ferry]

Does anyone know what's the best/easiest way to get royal gems?

[versed moat]

does the squire ever get any better than junk quality gear? or is it just different gear as it levels?

[plucky ferry]

You get some better tiers for some guear

[vast jasper]

good to see meta hasnt changed ever

[versed moat]

i dont even know if thats true i just know buffball is still strong. just not sure if its THE meta rn

[vast jasper]

fair

its just every playtest/season ive played over the last 3 years or so has always had some sort of buffball/barb meta

like if its not number 1 its at least top 3

[frozen umbra]

servers suck

[vital umbra]

is there still gold horde in the middle of ice cavern in HR?

[terse stratus]

Can spells targeting corpses please be removed?

[velvet shard]

Like?

[velvet shard]

Rez?

[velvet shard]

Oh you mean like accidentally healing a dead body

[ebon garnet]

just got my first trolls blood on normals, didnt know it could drop trolls blood on normals can it drop pelt too?

[spare elbow]

I think buffs can still hit bodies too, so annoying for cleric in solo especially

[spare elbow]

I think yes, ive heard its actually better for pelt farming because pelt is a rare drop, but high roller has a higher chance for epic & legendary and less chance for rare as a result

[hot moss]

anyone getting booted to the DnD logo screen after extracting? it first happened in spectate but now its consistent with extracts

[elder vault]

Yes

[terse stratus]

Ye

[ebon garnet]

yep

[analog grove]

that what we did hehe also mouse buttons work well the "back" button does

[gilded minnow]

Everything that is hitscan like requires a target such as chain lightning all cleric heals curses for warlock like curse of pain and power of sacrifice all can hit corpses

The most op one being chain lightning and the most ridiculous one too

Scratch curse of pain only power of sacrifice requires a target or it self buffs/debuffs but it can hit corpses

[plucky ferry]

What's the best way or easiest to get royal gems?

[gilded minnow]

Bossing and hitting the pile

[plucky ferry]

Can you get it on norms?

[gilded minnow]

Probably not but hr bosses ain’t that hard

I feel like normals has a rarity limit of purple

[vapid arch]

pretty sure you can only get purple level items in norms

[gilded minnow]

I do hr for pretty much everything quest wise it’s just easier for loot requirements

[graceful storm]

does + buff duration increase the time your in phantomize or how long blow of corruption is up, do those count as buffs?\

[velvet shard]

Chain lightning can’t do that anymore

[gilded minnow]

Unless they changed that this patch/or recently in general I think it can

[ebon garnet]

ah good to know thanks

[gilded minnow]

Haven’t been as active in the last like 10 days so I’m unsure but last I knew it could

[carmine vigil]

They changed it a few patches ago when we went back to 5x5 GC

[velvet shard]

Early Access Hotfix #38
@everyone, We will be doing the hotfix #38 update starting at <t:1711629000>.
When the patch starts, you will not be able to login to the game and players in-game will not be able to enter the matchmaking pool during this time.
Players in a match or in-game will have 40 minutes to complete the match and exit safely.
The server will return to full service 3 hours after the patch starts.

During maintenance, all services, including the website, may be temporarily suspended to update various servers.

Changes:

• Fixed an issue where pressing the interaction key(F) while holding down the Shift key did not work properly.
• Fixed an issue where certain sounds could loop indefinitely when watching a death cam.
• Fixed an issue where the Entrance Fee could be displayed twice.
• Fixed an issue where the descriptions for Ranger's Ranged Weapon Mastery and Sharpshooter incorrectly stated that they only apply to bow types.
• Fixed an issue where the Cleric's Judgment could be canceled while in range.
• Fixed an issue where the Bard's Dissonance and Partymaker were missing sound and range indicators.
• Fixed an issue where the Warlock's Abyssal Flame could not be dispelled.
• Fixed an issue where you could not escape if you jumped in front of the escape hatch when riding a raft in Ice Cavern.
• Fixed an issue where Zombies' Poison Smoke could continue to glow.
• Fixed an issue where the Skeleton Crossbowman could sometimes shoot bolts through walls.
• Fixed an issue where the Rock, Paper, Scissors emote did not actually play very randomly.
• Fixed an issue where the Marketplace and Squire did not reflect changed item modifiers.
• All classes now enter a creep state 0.5 seconds after walking or crouching and do not emit footsteps. Exceptions are made when stepping on pebbles, bones, etc. or are wearing Plate Boots.
  -Wizard's Chain Lightning no longer transfers from dead body.

[gilded minnow]

Why you post the whole thing bro wtf

[carmine vigil]

Bro just snip the one dot point and post it...

[velvet shard]

i could but i wont

[gilded minnow]

That’s just obnoxious xdd but gg you are right

[velvet shard]

and it was like half the whole thing is way past the character limit

[gilded minnow]

Either way other spells/curses still hit it

[copper lava]

srry wrong channel. but new gob caves feel nice

[desert gull]

lol

[vast jasper]

bro i did not just kill a centipede in hr just to get a blue bandage wtf 😭

[gilded minnow]

Not like centipedes are hard

[river rock]

Howdy fellow gamers I have a question for yall. Any of you know of a real way to counter Rangers. Like I understand run or try to bait out triple shot then run and use a shield and run. Has anyone found a way to consistently win/make the matchup feel more even? This is under the assumption that the ranger just has more speed than you.

[vapid arch]

hit and dont get hit

[loud sandal]

Demon form seems completely broken. How do you counter it??

[fluid gorge]

close a door

[loud sandal]

Then they open the door and kill me?

[lost thicket]

Is there a good map for the current goblin caves?

and is it different in normal and hr?

[young rock]

Is anyone else getting huge lag spikes?

I just lost a fight bc my game basically froze and got put straight into spectating

[proper void]

does magical power increase cleric spells?

[gilded minnow]

Are you a fighter? Use crossbow

[sudden aspen]

When it’s server lag, everyone in the game lags. When it’s your own connection, situations like that happen

[bronze leaf]

does the test server ever work?

[formal moon]

well the "game" barely works

[deft saddle]

these fucking devs need to ban people teaming in the goblin caves 3 people teaming in goblin caves so stupid

[uneven nebula]

holy fuck i just sold an item for 25,000 gold.... bruh....

[vapid arch]

what was it

[vapid arch]

have more move speed than them

[uneven nebula]

purple loose trousers with 2 all atts, 3 vigor, 6 max hp.

[patent breach]

Anyone else not able to open blacksmith

[vapid arch]

understandable

[mortal valley]

Isn't it supposed to count player kills for the whole party for quests?

[bronze leaf]

no, just mobs

[barren ingot]

They do got 4 people banned in 3 days

[ebon garnet]

woodsman quest fortunes guidance bugged?? i jusit explored the correct place and escaped but my quest didnt complete?

[vivid bay]

are servers laggy rn

[ebon garnet]

every now and then ill see a mob lag but thats it not very often like 3 times a day maybe

[wary pine]

Ironmace needs to give bard more funny hats

[vital umbra]

[ebon garnet]

??? anyone?

[cyan lantern]

Do you have to farm the stuff your getting for the goblin merchant or can you just buy it

[maiden kiln]

where can i mine rubysilver?

[spare rampart]

On a weapon, does the damage stat show with or without the modifiers?

like if the weapon gives extra damage as a modifier

[ebon garnet]

without, test your damage on the dummies

plus the base damage isnt even perfect of the actual damage just test on dummies

[remote depot]

didnt they give out 10 day trial codes to founder edition users? or no

[desert gull]

Pretty sure Rubysilver is only found in Inferno now

[desert gull]

IM needs to give each class their own funny hats

I'm talkin' a Robbin Hood hat for ranger
a helmet with horns for barbarian
a tall bishop style hat for cleric
I want to be able to wear a bucket on my head!

[pearl urchin]

true we dont need balance. we nee stupid hats

[frank star]

uninstalled, every1 rats now. encouraging ratting is shit for the culture of the game.

[desert gull]

the only balance I need is to balance things on my head

[pearl urchin]

they have ben hanging on by a thread .. a thread is what they have

[pearl urchin]

talking ppl like u are part of the problem

[frank star]

It was fun in beta, shame they changed the game. oh well.

without steam all the investors will lose their money.

[pearl urchin]

its been balanced around the devs mains

[frank star]

Nexons V. is coming out in December. Prob be p2w but w.e.

[desert gull]

bro I thought we were doing a bit, I don't actually think the game doesn't need balance

[pearl urchin]

why u think it hit epic first. the P2W king

[royal sun]

how visible is rogue in stealth now? is it like wizard invis?

[desert gull]

if you've played halo, its a lot like active camo, maybe a little harder to see than that

[wet leaf]

Once i gave my trial code to a friend, where does he enter it?

[fossil eagle]

Does the "frost-covered truths" quest not work for anyone else?

[royal sun]

ew

[fresh oak]

warlock just 2v1'd me and a wizard in goblin caves (no I wasn't 'teaming', I was waiting to kill whoever won)

dude ended the fight with nearly full hp

[desert gull]

yeah, rogues can't really walk in LoS of people anymore unless they are distracted or don't know what they are looking for
still useful to be able to reposition when no one is looking but I wouldn't gamble moving in front of someone unless you have to

[royal sun]

'still useful to be able to reposition when no one is looking'

if no one is looking, why even use stealth? Creep has completely replaced stealth period...

ngl this kind of bites

[fresh oak]

yeah it's basically useless

[modest siren]

its just so you can move without breaking your stealth or in the dark

its still useful just not a free engage anymore

[desert gull]

because you may have been forced to hit hide in a bad spot? Its common to need to move slightly and taking a step in the couple seconds they are looting a box can make the difference between being forced to act or going by unnoticed

[glossy barn]

When are devs going to get rid of solo mode? All this wasted development time on isolated incels that could have been spent on multiclassing, Druid’s, and ruins

[desert gull]

Do you have a problem with Duo mode?

[glossy barn]

None, it’s where the fun is. I have a problem with solo mode. So do the devs. That’s why they never wanted to add it.

For good reasons they already knew a year ago

[royal sun]

they can get rid of solo mode when they add matchmaking. but oh wait, how will they balance matchmaking teams based on AP? o0o0o0o0o

[royal sun]

if I'm in the dark, then I don't need stealth, i'm literally in the dark.

[royal sun]

the entire point behind an ambush class is to HAVE a free engage. That's literally the entire job description.

[bronze compass]

Where can you go to find ore these days? Did I miss an update about ore? There seems to be so little

[modest siren]

my bad should have phrased it better. when i say its not a free engage i mean you actually have to put in a bit of effort to get an ambush off instead of just mindlessly walking right up to them completely invisible.

[modest siren]

gold and ruby is in inferno. copper, cobalt and iron is in goblin caves

[bronze compass]

No ore in castle or frost caverns?

[modest siren]

none that ive seen

[desert gull]

Oh I remember you!
I was going to try and logic out some stuff but nah, ball is in your court
please present an actual argument for your position as the only thing I've heard from is an appeal to authority that isn't even being represented by the devs at this point in time
I don't care if "the devs never wanted solo queue"
they added it and they can take it away whenever they want, so tell us why they should

[bronze compass]

I can't agree with this enough. For some reason rogue players feel like they should be gifted free engages because that's the "class identity". You should still have to work for it.

[royal sun]

we shouldn't have to work for it. We have to work for the kill, not the engage. The kill is the hard part, the kill is the part where rogues are at a disadvantage, a disadvantage that is mitigated by getting a free couple of hits whenever we want.

[bronze compass]

"We shouldn't have to work for it" lmao, gtfo. Rangers should have free aimbot, then. Such busted logic. A good engage makes for an easier kill. Get good, make a good engage, enjoy an easier kill.

[royal sun]

I do believe that the arrow hit box should be a little wider, I find that rangers miss shots that i would think to be unfair if I was a ranger.

[desert gull]

Huntsman sniper detected

[bronze compass]

Rangers are a ranged class, they shouldn't have to work for it. Give them aimbot.

[royal sun]

wow 'get good'. how about you use an argument that can be applied to all skill levels of player instead of the elitist chad?

[bronze compass]

Are you suggesting you balance game mechanics around new players? That's asinine.

[royal sun]

no, i'm suggesting you balance game mechanics around the 'average' player.

somewhere between 200-250 hours give or take. enough to not be a weekend warrior anymore

[bronze compass]

But you said all skill levels... now it just sounds like you want the game balanced around "you".

[royal sun]

if you think i'm average, i got news for you. xD

[desert gull]

the average player is able to engage fine on rogue

[royal sun]

your supporting evidence is where?

all videos i see of rogues on youtube recently have gotten rid of hide all together, they use dark spots to ninja and creepmeta for the win.

hell, rogues aren't even building roguelike anymore, they are building 'tank' rogue

[bronze compass]

That's because hide is a crutch that any decent player will learn to not rely on, same with Ranger biscuits

[desert gull]

so what you are saying is rogues do not need stealth or even hide to engage, they just need a dark spot :)

[modest siren]

mine would be, it creates a false expectation for the game to be balanced around solos which is mostly why theres talk of all of the rock paper scissors match ups in solo. but the game probably never will be or should be balanced to make up for that, class a counters class b and you should have teammates to make up for that counter. Solos is an alternative to finding friends or using the guild hall and thats all it should be

[royal sun]

Yeah, because sitting in a dark shadow for 20 minutes sounds like fun and interactive gameplay.

[desert gull]

you say that like there aren't dark spots literally everywhere

[bronze compass]

Is this game dark? I never would have guessed...

[royal sun]

you say that like a 'decent player' wouldn't avoid them like the plague.

[ornate lance]

What is this new issue with the game? Launcher is huge, mouse cursor is huge, everything is blurry. Was just playing 2 hrs ago no issue. I scanned/ repaired, restarted etc and no change.

[royal sun]

that sounds weird

[royal sun]

game might be trying to run in a compatibility mode or your screen resolution default was changed by something?

i know that updating graphic drivers while games are on is a bad idea, if you have those set to auto update it might make strange things happen.

[bronze compass]

That's how a decent PvP game works. For anything one player can do to you, you can mitigate it. Rangers can apply ranged pressure, you can take cover. Barbs are melee juggernauts, you can keep your distance. Rogues can try to stay hidden, you can keep an eye out for them. You seem to want the game made easy for you, all advantage and no disadvantage.

[uneven nebula]

i sold an item for 25k and i've sold almost every item in my stashes (3) and only have 1200 gold, and still don't have enough room to fucking withdraw the 25k. how the hell do i save myself from this problem

[ornate lance]

im pc is fully updated and was playing some other games with no issues. in general chat there was 2 other people with the same issue.

[glass charm]

Typical “my content creator made a click bait title and video” “NeW bIs RoGuE bUiLD mEtA” take

[desert gull]

On one hand, I want you to understand the reality of the situation, because they don't avoid dark spots like the plague. even top players hardly pay darkness any mind
on the other hand, I know you won't

[royal sun]

your sarcasm and denigrating tone make me want to take your criticism oh so seriously

[tardy sandal]

coin bags, also if you do have three stashes it should be enough to hold 25k if you really did sell almost everything

[glass charm]

You can’t take YouTube videos as trends in the meta

[royal sun]

the first thing that the average player does is take their torch out and toss it into the darkness.

The second thing they do is close the door and run away.

[desert gull]

don't turn off every torch in the room?? you only need a person size spot of darkness
for someone who likes the stealth class it sounds like you make it super obvious there is someone trying to not be seen

[royal sun]

yes, for anything one player can do to you, you can mitigate it.

For stealth, people can use lightsources like lanturns to invalidate the stealth like wizard light orb.

Or, for the ratchet barbarian, you can swing wildly into every corner until you get lucky.

There was zero reason to gimick nerf stealth when it already had multiple counters. People decided to ignore those counters and complain instead of 'getting good' as you said.

[bronze compass]

But you don't want people to be able to mitigate a Rogue's engage. The Rogue "shouldn't have to work for it" as you said. So wtf are you talking about?

[summer bloom]

is spamming light orb in every room i go in and every corner really getting good? cause i did that.. dont miss it. But i liked the utility of it none the less

[warm kraken]

goblin merchant just blessed me with 2 legendarys 🙏🏻

[royal sun]

i think you misread my message

[royal sun]

grats!

[warm kraken]

its nice having all the goblin merchant quests done, he gives a 30% discount so i can gamble more lol

[bronze compass]

You said, verbatim, "we shouldn't have to work for it" in regards to engaging.

[royal sun]

yes, we shouldn't. the objectively most squishy class should not have to work to 'engage' on someone.

well, second most squishy, wizards might be worse at that point

tbh, I think the outline for invisibilty is ass too.