game-discussion

[wild jay]

Aight clerics and warlocks are op now virtually nothing you can really do against them

[elfin fern]

is there a place to do price checks etc on this discord?

[wild jay]

Its because fighter is the easiest class to understand but rn cleric and warlock are 100% the best classes. And secretly bard but idk how thats been affected with cleric and warlock being so strong

[wild jay]

Just check the market

[hasty eagle]

a ranger just killed me with 4 shots of a survival bow, I had 55 pdr and 120 hp I am very confused right now lol

[wild jay]

True damage

[hasty eagle]

nah

all addtional I checked, and even with true that doesn't make sense

[wild jay]

Or penetrating shot

[hasty eagle]

yea he had that, but like I was mad suprised

[wild jay]

It cuts your pdr by like 40 or sumn

[hasty eagle]

25

and 50 if headshot I think, he must have just hit 4 head shots then I guess

[wild jay]

Right so if he min maxes bow damage + additional

And has penetrating and lands all 4

Itll def add up

[hasty eagle]

yea did not see it coming tho

[wild jay]

Wouldnt have to be all headshots but atleast 1 would put it way over

[foggy sun]

ty i see it now, thanks

[hasty eagle]

basically just got the ranger version of the magic missle treatment lul

[cunning rain]

where do i get rusty swords

[drifting crater]

I think any skeleton can drop it

[cunning rain]

apparently rarest item in the game

[tawny hazel]

ummm i cannot enter lobby, i keep pressing button

[broken forum]

creep needs removed from the game

[leaden mist]

Anyone have experience with Voip Issues? Have it on, set to proxy, hit the voip button but it doesn't pick up any sound. I've checked mic settings from my pc side, made sure game's preference is set to the correct mic, etc. Any other advice?

[burnt urchin]

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[brisk lava]

Qq

[gritty vale]

Set a cap on all consumables and throwables that can be brought into the dungeon.

[cunning rain]

eh

[gritty vale]

They added in quests without any real story, characters or npcs so they just made quest items rarer to lengthen the quests.

[copper cobalt]

bloodstained blade gets boosted by magic dmg bonus right?

[gritty vale]

No, I think it's flat 7 damage. I could be wrong.

[noble moon]

how much armor pen can a rogue have through perks and abilities?

i just got melted with a knife on normies within the 4 second divine protection being active

[vapid arch]

thrust gives 20%, weakpoint gives 30%, and they can also stack armor pen or true damage as stats

[noble moon]

ah so my diveine protection was 100% nullified

makes sense, thx for good reply

whelp rogues deserved this, they had the bad end of the stick for too long xd

[obsidian rain]

1 trick pony got found out oh no

[noble moon]

i wish i bothered remembing the name of the guy who melted me a min ago, i just remember it was kinda funny

[obsidian rain]

Yea that build got me killed more than anything... even with increased buff duration people will just... run away.

Makes me cry everytime

[noble moon]

with divine protection you gatta wait for them to commit to meleeing you

he did justy that but divine protection was completely nullified

[solar sage]

Me seeing the cleric full buff behind the door for 30 seconds (Im gonna hit em with one curse and run away):

[obsidian rain]

I've just learned not to rely on it... holy strike and run!

[noble moon]

ye xd, im a move speed cleric atm so id be chasing u

[solar sage]

Blud you aint catching a good warlock lackin

[noble moon]

yeah probubly not but my luck been good lately

[solar sage]

You have so much escape options as lock its insane

[obsidian rain]

I tried building PDR+Move speed, but it was just entirely too much gold in the end to make it actually worth it

[noble moon]

i play in normies btw so you can't build so much move speed

[solar sage]

Everything is based around magic damage this patch so yknow just dont go pdr

[solar sage]

Ahhhh oki,yeah lock is pretty balanced in normals

[obsidian rain]

Yee... I just say PDR out of habit

[solar sage]

But cleric/warlock/bard are absolutely broken in HR

[noble moon]

ye, i feel like y playstyle isn;t very compatible with HR but in normies i shine

[solar sage]

Like it aint even funny,the cleric will 2 holy strike any class,the warlock will shank you better than a rogue before full healing with a single curse,and bards 4 tap you at mac speed from across the room

[obsidian rain]

I main Bard... it feels so damn nice this patch

Only thing that scares me is Windlass ranger

[solar sage]

Bard was broken,then shit,then decent,now its A tier still,not like extremely broken,but still really viable

[obsidian rain]

Legit been one tapped by one of those to the chest

[solar sage]

Pov,multiclassing drops and the local wizard whips out a windlass:

[obsidian rain]

NON-MAGIC MISSILE

[noble moon]

wizard with windlass... WHAT! XD

thats a thing now?

[solar sage]

He be pondering his orb while being STRAPED

[solar sage]

I CAST BOLT OF METAL

[noble moon]

if they give wizard wndlass i should be able to use it too xd

[solar sage]

Its a multiclassing mechanic coming soon

[noble moon]

ah

[wispy turret]

I SLAY YOU WITH MY POWERFUL WIZARD CROSSBOW

[solar sage]

That mean that youll see rogues with smite and BOC,warlocks with fireballs,barbs with windlasses

[noble moon]

XD

[obsidian rain]

In all actuality... a wizard with an ignited windlass sprinting at you while invis really does sound awful

[noble moon]

so you can get anything from a diff class,?

[solar sage]

Yup,all passives and actives,just have to be lucky

[noble moon]

does that mean i can get chain lightning as cleric eventually?

[solar sage]

If you roll wizard spell memory,you get ALL of the wizard spells

[obsidian rain]

Multi-bard will finally be a thing... I can actually build my DnD character lol

[solar sage]

In the DND games I dm I dont allow multiclassing for that exact reason XD

[noble moon]

XD dayum things gonna get interesting in the long run

defo gonna be interesting seeing them streamer matches when that stuf happens

[solar sage]

I main warlock,amma pick up fireball as SOON as possible to replace my goofy ahh dark bolt

[solar sage]

Dw itll last for about a patch before your local streamer complains that "ThE mEtA iS bRoKeN im not winning!" and they dial all of it back

[noble moon]

sounds fun xd, i wonder can't you bounce off fireball explosion if your the one casting it or does it only happen to targets?

[solar sage]

You can auto bounce yes (warlock rocket jump moment)

[noble moon]

lmao

[wispy turret]

I dont mind multiclassing until it gets to the borderline game breaking shit, when they start taking like 3 or 4 classes splashed in to min max to hell for class features, usually 1 class with a splash of another aint bad, currently running a Cavalier Fighter, no multiclassing though on them

[noble moon]

i wish the devs didn;t patch out so many sneaky parkor spots, as a cleric only guy this even upset me that they took them away xd

[solar sage]

Ehhhh everybody just google the good old op builds and you end up with 4 Sorceading or everyone has a 2 levels warlock dip

[solar sage]

Bro just parry the light,too easy

[noble moon]

ya putting out torches is an idea xd, i used to be at good at that when this game was still ruins/trios only but stopped mostly since then

[solar sage]

Nono,grab a longsword.And.Parry.The.Light

[noble moon]

can clerics use longsword now?

[solar sage]

Nope

But when multiclassing drops just grab sword mastery and parry away

[noble moon]

yeah, sound like a good idea

[vivid pendant]

you guys have the misconception that you can freely choose what perk you will multiclass with

[noble moon]

yes i need correction tell me the knowledge

[vivid pendant]

3 random perks from another master class that you get to choose from each time you use a learning token, which is why they referred to the "roguelike" aspect of it

[noble moon]

cool!

[vivid pendant]

3 random, get to choose one, i should add

[noble moon]

gud to know, sense of gambling to it, not a bad idea

[vivid pendant]

before people start crying op, it can lead to some disappointment im sure, but perks are benefits in the end

[noble moon]

more varietly and uniqueness to each persons build, kinda cool but yeah can be more unpredictable late season becuase of it too xd

[vivid pendant]

not everyone will have the time to level one class to 30, lol let alone 2+

[noble moon]

yes, i feel bad for the people who have a job and are responsible

they are gonna also be behind on the quest system

[vocal vine]

Start as either barb or ranger depending on how multiclassing is put in. Assume ranger since they can wield windlass out the gate tho. Ambush savage double jump xbow mastery. Hide reckless attack. roar to lure in making enemy think they are third partying. Hide before the come into LOS. they hit a trap or stop moving for a second and you shoot them in the face for 1 tapping damn near everyone in the game.

Go forth with my build and prosper everyone. The devs will understand that we are in fact in a ranged meta.

[outer cipher]

2 team mates just kill me to steal my gear i got it on video soon both ban

[minor peak]

I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. feel free to make a ticket so we can take appropriate actions

[mint stirrup]

Not against the rules, should be more careful and don’t bring good gear to a game if you don’t trust your team 🤷

[outer cipher]

[minor peak]

If it happened on our Discord, we can help him

[mint stirrup]

That’s cool at least tbh, thought he wanted them banned in game, but I kinda like the karma system of handling it in game. Don’t play with people who have dark spirit names lol

[outer cipher]

not cool

[silk stratus]

i got founders yesterday and im a noob to the game

[winged pawn]

welcome to the game!

[proud hinge]

is there a way we can go to ruins ? people are saying we can go via forst mountain'

[twin spear]

ruins is currently not in the game

[winged pawn]

no, ruins has been temporarily removed from the game while they redesign it

[proud hinge]

i see, thank you !

[sand pendant]

hello guys, i played vs fighter cleric today
Cleric had holy strike and a morning star and fighter crossbow and sword+shild
And they broke the big ice at the pile room and i cant figure it out how they opend it. Anyone got an idea ?

[twin spear]

probably the wendigo or the frost giant broke it

[sand pendant]

no they broke it. thats my point, i saw these 2 standing next to it hiding behind the wall and the second after they broke it and could run trough 2 sides to me. Im 100% sure THEY broke it and not a mob or anything else

[twin spear]

its possible to break it with a weapon that has enough impact power
usually barb with crush or warlock hellfire

[vapid arch]

where's pyramid and old tomb on crypts

[twin spear]

im not sure about old tomb but pyramid is the room with the pyramid and all the deathskulls

[sand pendant]

i think old tumb only on big circle map in bottom right or left corner of map not sure and pyramid looks like a pyramid on map xd

[warm tendon]

Please fix spider room in GC, you always get someone spawning north of you and they will always rush you since you got all the spider on you and you are an easy kill.

[twin spear]

spider room is super easy to avoid the spiders when you spawn
since only one is spawned you can break the pot instantly and not have to deal with any spiders
or just walk out of the room

[warm tendon]

They literally spawn at the door, you cannot get to the pot before they enter the room.

[twin spear]

i spawn in that room all the time and am out of there without issue

[warm tendon]

Well, I get rushed there pretty much every time and you get all the mobs on you while the oppressor has no tail.

[twin spear]

what class do you play

[merry vector]

hug left wall and walk out

[warm tendon]

Wiz right now

[twin spear]

throw a fireball at spider pot if the spiders give you that much trouble

[warm tendon]

That would put me in line of sight of the attacker depending on where the pot is. I'll try what ArBro suggested and just run out of the room on the left side.

[twin spear]

yeah i recommend running out as well
also spider pot is in the same location every time (atleast the one up top is)

[warm tendon]

No it can be in two locations I think.

[umbral moth]

There is actually two spots for the pot

Near the giant spider spawn and opposite side

[twin spear]

my bad i dont remember ever seeing it near the giant spider

[warm tendon]

Yes when it is next to the giant spider you cannot take it out without getting all the agro, when it is in line of sight of the attackers door you can fireball or missile it but you will probably still get the small spiders on you.

[cunning rain]

if you dont want to fight in that room immediatly exit to the left

and hope someone isnt in that room

[warm tendon]

Yeah it's a bit of a mess getting that spawn, I'm going to run out left now every time and take my chances in the other room.

[drowsy grotto]

can anyone tell me if this ice map on duo is forever now?

[mental matrix]

as of now yes, but probably not forever

[drowsy grotto]

ty!

[teal ice]

How do i link items in trade chat?

[warm tendon]

Shift + Left/Right mouse button. Don't quite remember.

[teal ice]

ty

[mighty sonnet]

they should remove ranger from the game

[mental matrix]

would pay for a meele only game mode

[mighty sonnet]

it would be beautiful

[mental matrix]

would feel like the early play tests fr fr

[cunning rain]

the original +all days

[neon plank]

What’s wrong with ranger? That class was around and solid early playtests

[honest laurel]

what is a giant toe used for

[cunning rain]

future crafting

[quaint anvil]

dropping this message again so people know how terrible iron mace workers are :this game has got the biggest joke of a team working for them. Not because of game balance or anything, but because they wont give me my season rewards. there was a glitch where people that grinded out their ranks were unable to claim the rewards and i was one of those people. I put in a ticket and was told that they couldnt do anything about it. what a disgusting pile of crap to hear.

[twin spear]

if what your saying is true
then your saying that they are a bad dev team because they responded to your ticket with something you didnt want to hear
for starters this is the first time im hearing about this glitch
secondly i heavily feel like your leaving alot of detail out and just using this to blame the devs becuase you got an answer that wasnt treating you like a king

[warm tendon]

These maps are accurate; https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/GoblinCave-01-HR

Yes there are 4 variants of the Goblin Caves map and they rotate randomly.

[twin spear]

these maps arent accurate
more specifically only the 01 map is correct
the rest arent updated

[warm tendon]

In what regard? The loot and mob locations, things like that?

[twin spear]

01 is completely correct
02 top left, top right, bottom middle, and bottom right room dont exist in any current layout
03 is an old layout that isnt in the game right now (no layout has the mine in the center)
04 is the 5x5 GC that was in during map rotation but is no longer in the game because it wouldnt fit solos
if you were to use the 04 layout and check loot locations and match them to the room your in in any current layout it should be accurate in that regard

[ashen steppe]

Sup all, do we got an eta for quest release? I was wondering if we’re still on the 1 week wait time for quest unlocks

[twin spear]

yeah new quests should open every week which means the next round should be friday

[ashen steppe]

Thx I was wondering if the statement changed, that’s good to hear

[quaint anvil]

what detail am i leaving out? i literally said i cant claim my rewards and thats bogus. nice try to simp tho

[warm tendon]

Oh shoot, hopefully I didn't sent questers on a wild goose chase. Thanks for the info.

[silent skiff]

is there ore on ice caverns?

[twin spear]

i understand you cant claim them
but what your saying is that they simply said theres nothing they can do
which seems like a pretty simple response that you didnt like
there is a reason they cant help
if they were bad devs or bad people they wouldve just never responded to you
you would need to prove you earned the rewards and that you didnt claim them
i dont see how thats hard to understand
but instead you come bad mouth the devs in this channel like they had bad intentions in the first place
which you know isnt true

[tacit patio]

Why can I not 'Enter the lobby' and instead can only click on the Characters on teh character list? What am I doing wrong?

[twin spear]

try restarting you game
if that doesnt work try to repair the files with the launcher

[tacit patio]

ty, testing now

[limber atlas]

does the spider pot have a hidden passive that makes spiders aggro onto the person that hits it? cuz i feel like it def does

[twin spear]

no
but aggro can feel weird sometimes

[fallen shuttle]

too lazy to fill out bug report but bloodstained blade doesn't apply to kobolds

[twin spear]

are you using it on them
or are you saying the extra damage doesnt apply when you hit them while its on you

[humble zephyr]

can u get a chest out of the loot pile in boss room? in norms

[twin spear]

no gold chests are HR gold hoards only

[humble zephyr]

aw man

[unreal nymph]

no idea

[fallen shuttle]

you can't apply it to them but you can on other ads

[quaint anvil]

its wild because there are things they could do, they literally created the game. that is just an excuse for lazy dev behavior. the simpening is wild

[waxen lion]

Just came back, are warlocks not running spells anymore ? Seem to see a lot of melee buff orientated builds, is this correct ?

[twin spear]

yeah your right they could do literally anything
"i reached demigod last season, i won't show proof but take my word for it"
"give me the rewards because i said i deserve them"
the whole point is there is a reason beyond they wont give them to you
either you didnt prove you earned the rewards or you didnt earn them but are saying you did
anyone can say anything and make any claim but that doesnt make it true
which is why i said im certain you left out details for why they didnt give them to you

[twin spear]

yeah melee warlock with the shadow touch perk is extremely viable
spell warlocks are still out there though

[quiet ginkgo]

brooo is this game still alive^

[twin spear]

yes very much so
usually 15k-20k players on at any given time

[quiet ginkgo]

Whaaat was not expecting that! I heard like 3-4 months ago it was dead

[twin spear]

people said it was dead but it never was
its a game based on wipes so player count drops near end of wipe but its never been dead
and its getting an epic store release soon

[quiet ginkgo]

im fucking down to play for real lets go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twin spear]

when did you last play

[quiet ginkgo]

Like, last summer? so 6-7 months ago

[tacit patio]

it fails to connect to server when I start the game now.

[twin spear]

im not sure what could fix it
if its connection on your end restarting router might help but its unlikely
you might want to go to the official website and make a ticket and see if the devs can help at all but that could take a bit of time

[twin spear]

game has improved a ton
im sure youll see the differences
good luck in the dungeons

[quiet ginkgo]

thanks bruuthaa

[tacit patio]

ah yes, thank you, sir.

[subtle heart]

why do i get the same fucking spawn 50x in a row

[twin spear]

unlucky

[quiet ginkgo]

Its how probablity works my friend

[subtle heart]

nah it definitely cant be random at this point

[quaint anvil]

didnt even reach demigod i just want my skelly skin. thats it. not like im asking for the cape n stuff. the issue was on THEIR end they should fix it. Disgusting behavior defending that kind of customer service.

[twin spear]

demigod was an example
for one you have to claim the skin on the class you reached the rank on (not sure if you know that)
unlucky if you deleted the character since thats what the rank was tied to
do you have proof you reached the rank in HR

[quaint anvil]

nope i did everything correct, there was an issue for a small amount of players that had the same issue as me and had multiple wardens tell me that. i should still have the dm somewhere. i think we will just have to agree to disagree cuz i think ur just trollin. not entertaining u anymore

[twin spear]

im not trolling but its crazy to pretend there is no reason they cant help you

[solar sage]

I mean towards end of wipe the lobbys where empty,but now they're super full so enjoy!

[surreal rapids]

is Mimics and Money bugged for anyone else? cant deliver the items

[unborn token]

When is the next set of quests?

[timid thistle]

I was really hoping for today, but maybe this weekend?

[sand spindle]

on the blacksmith launcher, i noticed theres a dark and darker icon and a "Test" icon. for the test one, you have to make a new character and everything? does anyone know what this is? maybe its for tests on future updates or something? didnt seem any different tho

[unborn token]

I wish we had a timer for them or at least on a scheduled release. It can’t be that hard as most of them are just recycled quest from last season.

[timid thistle]

That would honestly be amazing

[mighty sonnet]

they should remove ranger from the game

[halcyon coral]

Does magic healing effect myself, or does it effect people I heal as cleric?

[fair geode]

anyone has any interactive map ? any web ?

[true plume]

there are some on the wiki

[barren ingot]

Surely there’s an Easter event

Gib me chocolate eggs

[graceful storm]

has anyones hot keys quit working randomly while in game? Like I cant use the windows key, or windows + shift + s to screenshot while in game anymore without tabbing to another app first. It might not be a DaD thing just a random mistake I made, but if anyone knows how to undo this it would be greatly appreciated

[vivid pendant]

is there really only one giant spider on gc now? lol

[frozen robin]

blood platforms is in inferno right?

[vivid pendant]

yea

[leaden gate]

finished a quest, filled the items, and cant turn it in. anyone have a fix?

[mortal valley]

You have to have room in your inventory and you have to take into account how the game fills the inventory.

[rocky frigate]

was it a bug or did you delete your character to rename it 🙂

[rocky frigate]

as far as i know yes and i don't even think its gauranteed took me a while to do that quest lol

[vernal trench]

Did announcements channel not notify anyone else to the new message?

[warm kraken]

Wait does that mean patch is in 10 minutes? Or is that tomorrow

[twin spear]

tommorrow

[mortal valley]

It didnt notify for me either

[quick pike]

petition to remove hand shots from the game, it's just rng on how much damage you deal

[twin spear]

how is it RNG all you have to do is not hit the hand
limbs take 50% damage
body takes 100%
head takes 150%
literally nothing about it is random

[warm kraken]

jump more 🙂

[vivid pendant]

3/28 UTC 0 = 2000 EST

tonight lol

[vivid pendant]

even though 2 giant spiders is nothing, takes forever just to load on the right map, holy crap

[twilit plank]

thrust or dagger mastery?

[twin spear]

dagger mastery
thrust is bad it increases your current armor pen by 20% no give you a flat 20% pen
also kris dagger is by far the best

[twilit plank]

whats the dif?

yeah kriss? i love the twist at the end buit i feel it takes longer to get htere

[twin spear]

if you have 10% armor pen then the perk will give you an extra 2%
if you have 20% its 4%

[twilit plank]

oh ok it scales

i got it thanks bud\

what you guys think for best 4 rogue perks. (playing with hide)

[quaint anvil]

did not delete character still on same 4 characters

[quick pike]

stop speaking. forever.

[twilit plank]

shizzlebaby

[twin spear]

hide build is not great but you need ambush and jokester up to you if you want to move while hiding (its not that great with the effect they added)
my build is rupture cutthroat for skills poison jokester creep and dagger mastery for perks

[brittle flame]

how do i change the class discussion to other classes?

[spark trout]

does anyone know how many quests or the criteria for unlocking more weapons/armor from the squire?

[twilit plank]

thats pretty sick. i love being sneaky ill consider creep. is cutthroat really that efective?

[twin spear]

yeah cuthroat makes all spell casters useless for 4 seconds which is enough to kill them if you play it right
usually use handcrossbow to get cutthroat on enemy then rush them down with kris (Still have to play smart though)

[twilit plank]

thats sick godamn i cant wait to try. i hope to utilize rouge well in crpyts. its always so much easier in goblin

[frigid peak]

Use it in game not pre lobby i was wrong thought it was a bug

[floral imp]

so enjoy people waiting at the boss door in gc for someone to kill the boss so they can kill you. so fun and healthy for the game

[twin spear]

yes people play that way
but its really not all that hard to play around
i kill the boss all the time and have very little issue when players camp me
either i try to slip out or just fight them if its one
but yes it does suck when they get the drop on you

[frigid peak]

Maybe on defeating the boss you gain a buff like 2 All atts or sum to make players think twice b4 engaging

[spark trout]

does anyone know how many quests or the criteria for unlocking more weapons/armor from the squire?

[twin spear]

that would be way too strong
i think all they need to do is when the boss dies close and lock all the doors to the boss room for 20 seconds
atleast then you would have time to prepare for a fight
its good for the game that boss loot is fought over
imagine if the loot was free every time it died then the loot from it would have 0 value

[fading plinth]

Can anyone confirm if the ice cave skeles can drop rusty broken swords?

If I gotta go solo crypts one more time I might throw up

[floral imp]

just imagine purchasing this game, playing solo for a couple hours a day. one day you finally kill the boss and some rouge ambushes you and two tapes you when you leave, would you enjoy that.

[twin spear]

its unknown
the wiki says footman guardman and swordsman
but dont know if that applies to ice versions

[warm kraken]

"Channels + Roles" at the very top of the server list

[brittle flame]

thank you

[glacial quiver]

WHAT CAN I CRAFT WITH CENTAUR HOOF?

[twin spear]

just have to be more consistent at the boss
kill it and be ready to fight
also if a rogue 2 taps you then you have other problems
i main rogue and the only build that can 2 tap is ambush build which requires you to walk into the rogue
its super easy to just play cautiously

[floral imp]

or you just killed the boss and your at low hp and now you don't have time to heal because the rest of the lobby is converging on you

[pastel surge]

A pair of shoes that will confuse rangers tracking your footsteps.

[frigid peak]

I totally agree with it shouldnt be free. And thats decent idea of locking it. I think 2 all atts would be OP but if you fight the ogre most pple take dmg from rock fall so 2 all atts still woulnt matter if your low health. Idk i do like locking the door idea but i could see that being annoying

[glacial quiver]

im a ranger 😦

[mortal valley]

When I watch ppl playing their ranged weapons go straight but mine dont :\

[pastel surge]

A pair of shoes that will confuse you while you track your own footsteps.

[glacial quiver]

XD

[brittle flame]

who do i suggest to open a new language channel?

[twin spear]

if your talking about throwables
then the longer you "charge" them the faster they travel

[vivid pendant]

lol since when

[mortal valley]

I am talking more about angle; it is like it releases them where I was looking instead of where I am looking. Same thing happens with arrows.

[warm kraken]

since forever, same with bows

[twin spear]

every different bow type has a different velocity
and ranger has a skill that can make any projectile go perfectly straight without any drop
not sure if thats what your talking about
but if not then it could be a bug

[mortal valley]

thx

[soft goblet]

give update?

[twin spear]

update is tomorrow more than likely

[twilit plank]

what do you reccomend for perfect kris dagger. im shopping before testing the new build

[twin spear]

plus 2 weapon damage is the main thing
after that if you can get +% phys damage

[ripe axle]

How do i get the 10 day friend code? and can i give it to multiple people?

[twin spear]

i believe its 1 code for 1 person and you get it on the official website

[radiant fog]

hotfix coming up, to think theyll fix map rotation is a laugh, someone come back and bully me if they do tho

[twin spear]

for the full build you want as much additional magic damage for poison as possible with max stacks its pretty easy to get 12 damage per seconds with poison
and then you want as much phys damage after that
+2 all is great for as much as you can get
but after that its pretty much stacking agi, dex, and movespeed

[rare oracle]

What happened to the whole no pregame lobby thing?

[twin spear]

there has always been a pregame lobby what are you talking about

[zinc fossil]

KEEP GREEN FRANSISCAS AT 50g FOR 2x

[fading plinth]

The patch notes said no more pregame lobby

[twin spear]

they are on the marketplace
you can buy blue ones for 60 for 2

[twin spear]

what patchnotes said that

[teal orchid]

can +all be removed so every bard i run into just isnt god for some reason never hadf this problem last wipe

[twin spear]

+all isnt the reason for that
they just hyper buff themselves and then debuff you
they can do this without +all
just more players this wipe which means more bards

[teal orchid]

im not being debuffed just straight 3 hit

[twin spear]

they still hyper buff themselves

[lilac prairie]

can anyone give me a common wanderers attire and occultist pants

[teal orchid]

and before u say anything 50% pdr barb with roar and by 130hp vcaster lock jsut got 3 tapped by a surviival bow, died on the 50% barb to like 4 - 5 rapier hits

[twin spear]

do quests for the tailor and lether smith and then they will show up as options for the squire

[wicked nest]

Whoever kills solo players in crypt I wish you all massive hemorrhoids

I just need one more wraith kill 😭

[lilac prairie]

need it to craft copperlight

[solar zealot]

Is the luck table bugged ? Been doing 5 games roaming with 300-355 luck and only had 1 (shitty) epic ( with a mean of 4 lion/golden chest per run)

[twin spear]

then buy them on the marketplace

[crude juniper]

is there any good site, where i can see what i have to build as ranger for example? guide/build wise? quite new to the game

[teal orchid]

youtube

[twin spear]

far as i know there isnt a website for builds you could look up one on youtube
but this channel is usually very helpful or you could ask for a build in here https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1068515297486704730

[crude juniper]

how can i get acces to that channle? cant see the name and either join o.O

[twin spear]

top of channel list "channels and roles"

[finite laurel]

how many goblin cave maps are there?

[twin spear]

4 right now i think

[hoary horizon]

Please turn ruins into a ruined castle so it plays more similar to crypts

[harsh frost]

did you ever figure this out? i have a buddy with a 4070 that keeps crashings. He's tried -dx11 and -dx12

[hoary horizon]

Would make more sense since it's called forgotten Castle anyways

[twin spear]

you know it is a ruined castle right?

[hoary horizon]

Yeah but not as ruined lol

A little more fleshed out would be nice

[torn jasper]

is dark reflection bug? it did 30 hp damage building 50% mr

[crisp carbon]

wtf, I'm running a gtx 980 and I'm fine

[plain stone]

do kobold ears not drop on normal?

[twin spear]

they do but they are a little less likely to drop

[marble tangle]

Wasn't March 28th UTC 0 like an hour ago now?

[twin spear]

no
that was utc 0 march 27th
meaning it just turned 27th for utc 0

[wicked nest]

Why don't I see any rare items in the shop anymore it's all just junk grade I've completed most quests

[twin magnet]

Youre smoking its saying 28 utc 0 for me

[red plank]

Because you only have 50 affinity and they changed the whole system from last wipe. Also legendary gear is not craftable so we will prob get epic gear at 150 affinity and rare at 100 so I imagine we will get green gear at 100 and blue gear at 150 for normal shop purchases

[wicked nest]

What's affinity ? Your high roller rank?

[red plank]

You get affinity with shop merchants by doing quests.....

Right now if you have all quests done on any given npc, the most affinity should be around 50

[wicked nest]

So ATM you can't get more than 50?

[red plank]

Affinity worked that way last wipe too except for the last 2 weeks where they unlocked the entire shop of purchases and crafts for all

[twin spear]

new quests will release weekly
which will allow you to get more affinity

[red plank]

I have one with 55 but every other npc with quests the max is 50 atm. We should get the next week batch of quests with this next hotfix

[wicked nest]

That's kind of dumb but I guess it prevents people from getting legendaries the first week

Start having games do what nickelodeon did make you go outside after playing 😆

[red plank]

you cant get legs anymore from merchants anyways so thats null. They also wanted to make less gear disparity so people couldnt knock out all quests in 1 week and have golden gear in week 1.

[patent breach]

When hot fix

[frank crown]

when wipe

[wicked nest]

Yeah I get it thanks

[burnt marlin]

How long is the 30% discount going to last for?

[normal flame]

Wipe in about a month in a half. Hotfix sometime in the next 24 hours. Druid when santa comes or something

[heady mountain]

how do you complete the quid pro quo tailor quest?

[twin magnet]

Finally on my game, you can buy the gear

In the market

[heady mountain]

yes but how do those people get it?

[twin magnet]

Buy the powder from the market and craft it

[heady mountain]

where do you craft it 😭 theres no available craft

[twin magnet]

Oh LOL

[heady mountain]

WAIT IUTS THERE NOW

[twin magnet]

Oh nice

[heady mountain]

is it just a random chance of appearing?

[twin magnet]

did you finish a quest right away and you had to do the quid pro one? usually the shop needs to refresh to see new stuff

[heady mountain]

no i had even restarted my game after it had been a while; but thank you for the help im getting copper now

[twin magnet]

oh weird

[leaden jolt]

why update stuck on integrity verifying

[bleak vigil]

does anyone know if warlock shadow touch scales with anything or is it just flat 3 mh and mag damage ?

[dry carbon]

i have tried to test out a few combos and it doesnt seem like it scales but i could be totally wrong

[rocky frigate]

it does not scale at all it is just a flat 3/3

[upbeat hollow]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow Shouldn't breaking chest with the crush perk as barbarian give you xp? Bards song to open chest gives xp :] ❤️ love you sdf

[twin spear]

shadow touch has 0 scaling for the damage
and only vampirism perk scales the healing

[dry carbon]

yeah that's pretty much the conclusion I've come to, thank you for confirming

[twin spear]

theres a chance that multiclassing with a cleric perk could scale the healing too (but theres no way to know right now)

[dry carbon]

very true

[snow nimbus]

has march 28th utc not passed yet?

[spark trout]

how much resourcefulness is needed to open gold chests?

[twin spear]

you dont need resourcefulness at all
you need lockpicks or the lockpick perk on rogue

[exotic lily]

is it just me or rangers hit a lot more now?

[twin spear]

they dont hit that much harder
bows themselves have been nerfed quite a bit
but you can stack bonus damage stats a bit more than before
i think its overall less
maybe the rangers are just getting better

[exotic lily]

i mean i been playing ranger and killing clerics and fighters is much easier now, or i just got lucky idk

[twin spear]

max pdr got lowered to 75%
plus crossbow got huge nerfs

[strange zephyr]

Do we have any idea if loot rotation will ever be a thing? Or if they’ve sworn it off?

[twin spear]

they plan to bring it back after making sure all maps fit all teamsizes
plus they want a few more players for player count which will happen with epic
so that less lobbies are empty with so many queue options

[strange zephyr]

Damn, gonna be a while then till I can reach true loot goblin efficiency

[twin spear]

sorry you said loot rotation but i read it as map rotation
if you meant loot rotation what do you mean

[strange zephyr]

As in, pick up item, need more space for another bigger item, rotate it in inventory to make more space

Tetris gameplay

[twin spear]

oh yeah complete different than what i thought
tbh i dont know if rotating items will be a thing
i havent heard anything about it ever and ive been playing since playtest 4

[strange zephyr]

Damn : ( Well I can hope

[ember thorn]

Did anyone else not receive there rewards from the preseason?????

[twin spear]

make sure you select the right season, the class you got the rank on, and the right group size

[ember thorn]

Yeah it just says I was unranked which is crazy cuz I hit demigod

[twin spear]

are you on the character you got the rank on

[surreal rapids]

Kinda close to giving up on this game, all my friends basically have. I've played it for over a year now almost non stop. There's so many problems with it, a lot of them simple problems and a lot of them core problems. For one, this game does not reward "skill". Depending on how you define skill. There's not enough content. Balance is almost impossible with 1 2 and 3 man modes. Difficult monsters require "cheese", and it's acceptable as part of the game. There's RMTing, cheating and botting. There's little to no content. As a solo player, it's boring after a while, and you're gated out of content. Some classes are just better than others. Period.

[twin spear]

no monster requires "cheese"
the game balance has improve a ton over time
content is actively being added (its early access)
i play exclusively solo and there is no content you cant do
cheating might be worse on certain regions but i have never run into a cheater on US EAST

[surreal rapids]

Defend it to the death, go for it. Ignore the problems. And while you're at it, go fight all mini bosses in the entire game, including the ones in hell and the nightmare skeletons, without cheesing them. Please post a video, without standing on top of a ledge while the AI stares at you. Also, post a video of yourself soloing all bosses in hell. Post a video killing the troll and cyclops on a wizard, without a 5k kit.

I could go on and on but it's clearly a waste of time, gl

[twin spear]

bro i can solo troll on wizard with base gear staff only
also "cheesing" is easier but every enemy is dodgeble or blockable
i could send you a video of all movesets if you want

[surreal rapids]

Please post a video of you soloing the troll and cyclops, in high roller, on a base kit wizard with no gear

I'll even let you buy a stack of potions

[twin spear]

potions for what?

[surreal rapids]

Rockfall

[twin spear]

you know its dodgeable right?

[vivid pendant]

bro you can time the jump and avoid damage lol

[frank crown]

[surreal rapids]

It's not, the ones in the air can hit you even if your jump is right

[twin spear]

like im not saying this game doesnt have issues
but all the ones you brought up are just wrong

[surreal rapids]

Ok

[twin spear]

other than content
but lack of content is the point of early access
its to test whats there and what the player base wants

[surreal rapids]

I've been here since playtest 2, this game is going to end up having a small niche/cult loyal fanbase of about 5k players if they're lucky because the gameplay loop is addicting, but that's it. It's flawed. I'm wasting my breath here, i said the same stuff about a lot of games and people like you try to counter and tell me I'm wrong, but the same thing always happens. It's going to die unless they massively change it, it's non-negotiable

[brisk lava]

Nah he's right about Rockfall yeah you jump to avoid the ground impact dmg but rocks can still hit your head from rng, stupid mechanic

[twin spear]

i dont think thats intended plus cyclops is fairly new
most damage is dodgeable unless you get unlucky with a mid air one then

[thin girder]

Anybody selling gold coin chest?

[surreal rapids]

Just go post a video of you doing it in base kit wizard without potions like you said, I'll wait

[brisk lava]

The rest of cyclops is good..its just the shit hitting your head even if you jump strafe perfect timing

[twin magnet]

it's not required but it's been used and abused

[brisk lava]

I have times where I take 0 dmg..other times I take 3 rock hits to the dome back to back to back just cause they decided to spawn there

[twin spear]

game released to early access with 50k players
any game after initial release drops in player count
dark and darker is a wipe based game so player count is higher at beginning of wipe and lower at end
as of right now it averages 15k-20k at any time
which is literally insane for any game not on a major platform
and this is EARLY ACCESS
full release will have more players

[surreal rapids]

You know, this reminds me of when I said new world was screwed when they had 900k players, look at em now. And that game is 10x better then this

People said I was wrong, flamed me. Just like this - the games screwed

Like I'm not trying to hate on the game, I'm here because I have loved it. I'm here because it's very close to getting it right but unfortunately they missed the mark. I've seen it too many times

[twin spear]

new world you mean the game that is still very popular even years after release

[surreal rapids]

Ok i was going to continue conversation with you but after that comment I'm out

[twin spear]

im not disagreeing with you
there are issues
but its early access bro the game isnt finished so no shit its feels unfinished

[brisk lava]

Oof new world

New world was amazing during the 1-60 grind then slowly turned into a shit fest

[simple flame]

who thought making wizard a better ranged class then rangers and a better physical damage class then barb was a good idea

[near dome]

Anybody else having issues with their mic? I have VOIP enabled, and when I press the push to talk key, people seem to hear something, but it's apparently garbled or incomprehensible, at least that's what I assume from their responses (Which is stuff like "Fix your mic" or "Your mic is not okay", without actually acknowledging what was said, even in a coop situation. My mic works perfectly fine on Discord calls and other games, but apparently in DnD it's messed up. Anybody ran into this?

[torpid oxide]

wtf is the difference between the tavern table/bar besides the user limit

[gritty breach]

anyone still getting their gear eaten? by not being able to load iin and friends load in instead

[hazy meteor]

BUFF BARBARIAN

[night slate]

can we report for teaming in goblins? if so where?

[hybrid crag]

game is more unbalanced than ever change my mind

[short garden]

is there a way to make the rocks falling from the cyclops boss end faster? Dude just did like 10 drops in a row without stopping

[real basalt]

WHY WOULD I PLAY SOLO BARD

[worn arrow]

Because its really good with self buffs, good weapon options etc?

[final gale]

Its a DPS check, you have to do certain ammount of damage for him to stop

[short garden]

ahh ok ill just slap his back when he does that. Thanks

[hollow tapir]

link to collector guild any one???

[regal sparrow]

you sound bitter, did one of the devs stole your gf or something? you are clearly burn out + you are bad at playing solo and cant play the content without teammates helping you. i did all the NPC missions as a solo, yeah for some classes is easier than others but is doable. you are just crying at this point, maybe you need a break and touch grass + git gud + skill issue

[twin magnet]

I honestly believe it's a meme due to people gate keeping

[wet crystal]

why is judgement so clunky to use

you literally clap 4 times infront of the enem y

[rustic bay]

why

[wet crystal]

dm'd it to you

[marsh mulch]

please rotate maps

[reef solstice]

Does anyone else freeze and lose audio on forgotten castle?

[mystic valley]

Day 1 of commenting every time a axeman swings through my shield. Death count 1.

[main raven]

Just gotta aim high. Like, literally at the ceiling high

[sweet dirge]

they need to fucking make an ear purse or something my ear collection too big

[swift prairie]

Friend just got temp banned for no reason

[spring cave]

I think rouge is abit broken with how they go full silent even through water it’s abit stupid

[swift prairie]

Like bro is ass can’t hit a single shot on the bow leave him be

[polar talon]

bro comon... creep is the only thing rogues have. Plus u just have to stay alert it still easy to spot them behind

yeah game have a huge amount of players now.. might be actually a good time to put a map on rotation. just 1.

[marsh mulch]

like holy strike is so poorly designed wat lol, take the damage down or the cast time or make it harder to hit. its so oppressive. no counter play

[main raven]

Cleric has one very strong counter.

Don't push them. Literally just don't push a Cleric. Ever.

[marsh mulch]

its not a melee ability

Constantly dying to it from range as Im running away, not sure what you meant. Make it a projectile so it can be dodge like most of the abilities in the game. If you want to retain its purpose as an aoe deterrent its gotta get tuned or tweaked for SOME sort of counter play.

[foggy jay]

is the cyclops rock fall intended to be the most difficult mechanic in game? or is it like bugged

[mystic valley]

That's a workaround for a god awful hitbox and or a bug with the heater shield. Gas-lit.

[mystic valley]

its just a bad mechanic, they probably bought the effect from the UE store and neglected to update it for the sake of quick progress

[terse ridge]

just how much the bard armor debuff hurts?i just was in 2v2 as max pdr fighter and i melted like butter vs another fighter and bard

[slow breach]

-15 armor I believe and -5phys power you can check by going to bard songs it’s called shriek of weakness

[analog sable]

@glad token hey brick. back with anothjer question about multi classing since you were the one that just knew EVERYTHING about it. i have 2 lvl 35s with 3 learning tokens on each. why cant i use this mechanic of the game.

[midnight pulsar]

is there a price suggestion thing anywhere for items

[analog sable]

they burn you at the cross no matter what brother. i been saying they take 2 steps forwards and 3 steps back with every patch. the 20k concurent players actually believe this game has chance without some kind of massive change of pace. every peice of new content they add is broken for the 1st month and a half afte they release it and then they put out a patch to make the content accessible but the second patch creates a dupe bug.

can anyone give me a straight forward answer: IS MULTI CLASS USABLE RIGHT NOW? looking for a yes or a no here.

[jolly sun]

U can counter play it buddy u just need to be fast

But I main holy strike and it’s pretty good with high knowledge

[jolly sun]

Nah it’s actually dis tho, the devs were hyping it up before wipe and then they told players that its not ready

[kind osprey]

please remove true damage stacking

[ebon palm]

nah, that's the only way PDR clerics and Fighers will ever die

[kind osprey]

magic damage and armor penetration?

[ebon palm]

yeah bro lemme stack armor pen and magic damage on a rogue

[kind osprey]

you have weakpoint. but true damage is too effective with high rate of fire hits like magic missile. especially magic missile. Getting +11 true damage per missile hit with how knowledge effects it is absurd

[molten sigil]

Just nerf cleric 👍

[ebon palm]

weakpoint lasts for 3 seconds, you got like 2-3 hits in. Only to be two tapped by a 50 damage blue falchion

[kind osprey]

should rogues be bursting down PDR characters?

[ebon palm]

should 75% PDR characters be able to out run rogues in full plate?

[native veldt]

they can't

[ebon palm]

50 movement speed ability says otherwise

[kind osprey]

thats an issue with sprint, and also a problem with your build if you can't match a plate fighter in speed with PDR on, they only get to 290-300 tops

[snow nimbus]

yea rogues can easily build 325 ms with mid gear, plate fighters should never be catching you

[native veldt]

only in trio

[ebon palm]

Slayer fighers and barbs make that MS easily too

[native veldt]

fighter and bard = lots of speed

[snow nimbus]

yea rogues can just stealth and run and hit cap as well, it doesnt last as long but it should last long enough to outrun those classes overall

[ebon palm]

Sprint has been tuned 1 time IIRC, and it's still the most used perk in the game, I don't think I've ever seen a fighter without sprint, sometimes they swap Second Wind for Adren Rush but that's IT

it's just THAT good. See a fighter? Second wind and sprint, almost a guarantee every single time

[snow nimbus]

i think its hard to say, fighter is the most played class and sprint enables the melee playstyle, that doesn't necessarily mean the perk is op

[ebon palm]

I think it's hard to say, while old weakpoint rogue was the most played class and weakpoint enables the rogues playstyle, that doesn't necessarily mean the perk is OP

Do you see yourself yet

[snow nimbus]

i dont think rogue was ever more played than fighter, and my point still stands regardless. a perk being necessary doesn't mean it's op

[ebon palm]

it was by a very few percent when it was stupid strong

then it got hit by 6 or 7 b2b2b2b2b patch nerfs, and meta humpers swapped

[kind osprey]

so it sounds like a nerf sprint issue still

[snow nimbus]

sure im not arguing that old rogue wasn't op, it's just not relevant to the point im making

[ebon palm]

EVERYONE was a landmine rogue with old weakpoint

the majority will always swap to whats the strongest, because that's just what happens

fighters and warlocks dont have the skill ceiling wiz does, you can make so many mistakes on those classes and just heal right back up or sprint/phantom away

[snow nimbus]

sure but you're still not addressing the fact that everyone using an ability doesn't mean it's op, it could just be that there aren't better options or the ability is necessary for the class

[ebon palm]

that's also another issue, that they just are fine with letting fighters use two abilities for over a year of patches lmao, they have the data and they know its all they use, the devs are just fighter mains

[snow nimbus]

yea it's just cringe when you don't engage with my point and then say "do you see yourself" as some kind of gotcha

[ebon palm]

I pointed out the irony of your statement and that's not engaging? Ok

if EVERYONE is using something in an Alpha playtest game, it's probably strong, maybe too strong. That's the entire point of us being here, to find things that are broken with the game

the fact that EVERYONE on fighter has been using the same two fucking skills and it hasn't changed in over a year is mindblowingly biased, no other class has just stayed that way perk wise. Even Barbs swap perks besides rage and achilles

[snow nimbus]

there's no irony in my statement, that's why im saying you're not engaging.

it's possible that in the case your making an ability is too strong, but a ability being used at an anomalous rate doesn't necessitate that it's op, it could just be that there are not better options or it's necessary for the class, which is what im arguing for sprint

i agree that fighter needs new abilities and it's dumb how there aren't better options than sprint and second wind in any scenario, but sprint isn't op, that's all

[ebon palm]

I'd love for fighters to actually have options but sprint and second wind are just too good, they're the biggest bandaids on a game built around punishing your opponent for mistakes. Position wrong? Sprint, and it's up every 20ish seconds. Fuck up and take a hit? Heal 40% of your HP. Then get that heal back with a campfire. There's just so much room for error allowed with that class

You miss a dodge on a single franny while running away and there goes 25% of your HP

[snow nimbus]

my point is simply not that sprint and second wind are too good, just that the other abilities are too bad. at a high level of play sprint and second wind are not that great, people have been taking taunt for awhile now in place of either

[analog sable]

they did the same thing with the market place bro. think about it

[ebon palm]

I completely agree with you that fighters other perks pale in comparison to sprint and second wind. Kinda like how rogue perks were utterly useless lmao I'm looking at you "hidden pockets"

[solar crater]

holy 2x headshot dmg

[snow nimbus]

2x headshot and full creep, kind of insane

[solar crater]

yeah thats the only crazy thing about this patch; most other adjustments/nerfs was needed; rogue no buffs is weird tho

[wooden dust]

we need a ap change lol

[solar crater]

more ore will be interesting

[snow nimbus]

they changed ap, its lower cost now

[versed spoke]

so wait everyone has creep its silent?

[solar crater]

they said they changed entrance fee, we'll have to see by how much

[torpid geode]

yea,,

[solar crater]

apparently

[torpid geode]

everyone having creep is actually insane

[versed spoke]

thats actually stupid

[snow nimbus]

it will be pretty significant at least on GC i imagine since it was not really feasible to obtain demigod

[wooden dust]

its for literally one footstep its not really game breaking

[mild vault]

Headshot 1.5x to 2x
Dafuq?

[torpid geode]

literally removing the rogues class identity, people could have simply just gotten creep from the multiclassing anyways. But they did say its a test

[snow nimbus]

wdym one footstep, its for all of them when you're crouched

[solar crater]

on bones and pebbles no creep; will be interesting to see what exactly identifies as pebbles

its solo ambush rat season it appears

[snow nimbus]

i interpreted it as anytihng that doesnt make a special sound already like rubble and bones

[pallid grove]

Multiclass when aproximatly April or May?

[barren ingot]

Every class now has creep?????? GOOD JOB DEVS GREAT ADDITION!!!!!!!!!!!

[versed spoke]

id really like to play as druid and get ruins back so we can finally pick maps

[slender panther]

they buff rangers again rotfl 😄

[mellow perch]

where is ruins

[versed spoke]

so there is only 1 benefit to run creep on rogue is bassically just 5% faster in creep mode

[snow nimbus]

yea creep giganerfed, back to a worse state than prebuff

[versed spoke]

lets just give everyone hide too while we at it

[nova skiff]

BRUH WHY ARE YOU GIVING CREEP TO ALL CLASSES LOL WTF REVERT ASAP

[mellow perch]

where is ruins

[high sigil]

Entrance fee?

[versed spoke]

gone they changing it

[mellow perch]

gone forever?

[versed spoke]

no they are reworking the map

[mellow perch]

ok

[versed spoke]

i dont get why they couldnt just leave ruins in the game and let us know its being changed and they work on a copy of it

[high sigil]

There's no entrance fee for Highroller, how are they lowering it or are they saying they re-added highroller's entrance fee and now lowered it

[subtle shore]

devs are smoking some HASHISH giving EVERY CLASS CREEP????

[modest sonnet]

with the headshot buff il will speed up the pve 🙂

[untold plume]

Nah, the worst change is buffing headshot damage

[hard rock]

Is ruins ass

[subtle shore]

just make creep not silent for rogue, just make it softer sound effects

[untold plume]

as if time to kill wasn't low enough already.

[mild vault]

Meta prediction.
Stealth windlas crossbow users everywhere.
If u thought getting land-mined by Rogue was annoying, get ready for AWP rangers and fighters sniping your head off with 150+ dmg...

[desert flame]

I though that too. I was like was really paying this whole time and not noticing it.

[winter tinsel]

Agreed

[hard rock]

Windlass crossbows should be more powerful and capable of one shotting now!

[versed spoke]

revert headshot dmg and creep changes pls

[untold plume]

This is very much gonna be the return of victory strike windlass

[warm kraken]

They're talking about the AP Fee

[hard rock]

LETS GOOOOOO SIT YOURSELF DOWNNNNNNNNN

[white magnet]

This is just crazy why would they do that. Headshots were already insane. TTK in PVP already low. Wizard PVE gonna be nuts with MM

[desert flame]

bless you

[subtle shore]

@zinc sparrow REMOVE MOVESPEED FROM AGILITY STATS AND ITEMS OTHER THAN BOOTS. barbarians shouldn't get movespeed from items outside of boooooots!

[versed spoke]

rogue creep 5% more move speed when in creep meta perk lets go

[subtle shore]

everyone has creep. 5% ain't gonna do anything

[versed spoke]

its sarcasm bro

[untold plume]

A change I would have liked to see is, that if a person wears no chest/leg armor they should take as much damage as if they took headshots so naked movementspeed in normals isn't as busted as it is vs melee classes. (Obviously savage for barb should negate these debuffs)

[subtle shore]

I think movespeed mechanics needs a massive rework.

[jolly bear]

Increase time to kill, please

[versed spoke]

revert headshot dmg and creep for everyone asap and just bring ruins back while we wait for the rework

[untold plume]

Also unqeuiping armor should take just as long as equiping it

so people can't mid-fight ditch their shit to try and run away or start kiting

[hard rock]

Any tips?

[jolly bear]

Increasing hs damage is so bad idea...

[versed spoke]

tip for what

[gilded minnow]

w patch

[barren ingot]

if you think for 1 second giving all classes creep is a good idea you are smoking some GOOOOOOOOOOOD stuff. This only encourages ratty playstyles and is very bad for the game

[winter tinsel]

Agreed. Getting snuck up on was already one of the worst feelings, now it’s gonna be cancerous

[fathom nacelle]

cus everyone should play streamer gold gear chad gameplay, gotcha

[tiny merlin]

Will be fun to get HSed by a Windlass from a full str Fighter that you cant even hear :D:D 200DMG GGWP GO NEXT

[warm rune]

honestly bows ruin this game

[barren ingot]

Like barb with creep? Comon devs you can do better than that

[inland onyx]

hello guys ! the goblin cave up to 5x5 the gonna expend the map ? sorry for my english

[vivid pendant]

you whiners make it sound like everyone's going to be creeping around in the dark, holy shit

[barren ingot]

you can garuntee your house they will be

[jolly bear]

yes, now is 3x3

[gilded minnow]

itll be the map they had last wipe with bosth bosses on it

[inland onyx]

thanks

[fathom nacelle]

whats the problem? adapt your playstyle jesus christ

[versed spoke]

revert headshot dmg and creep for all classes thanks

[gilded minnow]

the best version of the goblin caves im so hyped its back, i just hope they make more players in the lobby

[vivid pendant]

wah wah crying ass babies

[analog sable]

read the description of creep again lmao

[vivid pendant]

the people wiping lobbies aren't the ones creeping around

[tiny merlin]

The problem is that you can get 1 shotted by crossbow ...

[royal fulcrum]

@astral stream no ? the problem si that it doesnt make any fucking sense like 0 sound Q , 0 steps , tf ??????

[grave lotus]

some news for the ruins come back us?

[royal fulcrum]

@grave lotus no , but you can now enjoy not hearing any footsteps

[versed spoke]

never coming back

[vivid pendant]

obviously it's staying for now, they're testing it lol

[grave lotus]

😅

[royal fulcrum]

@grave lotus ruins are still getting reworked

[vivid pendant]

but look at how crazy the people are going over it already

[versed spoke]

they really couldnt leave ruins in the game and work on a copy of the map in the meantime

[subtle heart]

Crack must be legal in South Korea because these devs are smoking it

[grave lotus]

Imagined.... I hope they'll be back this season

[royal fulcrum]

@vivid pendant because its absolutely wild change ???? also it doesnt make any sense + rogues creep has to be removed but its not so its usls except they gave it 5% move speed bonus , they are trying to break the game for sure and im not here for it , cya DND i enjoy playing you but its time to moove on , its not me .... its you

@grave lotus i think they will

@oak turtle revert this patch and i will 100% come back lmao

guys , we thought that multiclassing is gonna break the game but naaah they are trying to delete the game completely

[analog sable]

#dungeonborneGonnaBeLit #let-Mithril-cook

[deep jewel]

Who ever experienced 2D artifacts in UI?

[subtle heart]

I know that this is classic wooden hammer "experimenting" but this is a very obvious bad decision

Give rogue creep the ability to hold someone down and stab em for as long as we can until the opponent breaks free by using a quick time event, like in dark souls

[analog sable]

i like that no one cares they didnt say a word about the training page XD no teaser of when to expect it. no explanation of why its in the game but not in the game. instead let us cry about being able to sneak around

[misty idol]

Anyone ever experience when character might just freeze on the spot. Mouse still works but movements on keyboard stutter hard

[versed spoke]

2x headshot dmg and creep for everyone why though

[analog sable]

for diverse content purposes of course

[royal fulcrum]

stupid and unnecessary patch , they should better work on ruins rework , arena and all that stuff but no they decide to drop patch wich contains absolutely nothing they talked about on podcast , absolutely random wild changes ...

[versed spoke]

we should give everyone hide too

[royal fulcrum]

fr and delete rogue since it doesnt make any sense to keep him in the game

[bitter citrus]

5x5 GC with 5 players? yikes

[analog sable]

i mean. did you see yopu can take any skill from any class on the training page?

[royal fulcrum]

and another one lmao, stupid devs

[versed spoke]

yeah lets delete rogue to because 5% more move speed in creep does nothing now he gets one tapped with 2x headshot dmg

[bitter citrus]

also barb ms buff?

[subtle heart]

The best part is that they have a test server but they know no one uses it so they make everyone have to deal with their bad decisions

[royal fulcrum]

stupid and unnecessary patch , they should better work on ruins rework , arena and all that stuff but no they decide to drop patch wich contains absolutely nothing they talked about on podcast , absolutely random wild changes ...

[naive flare]

how is multiclass going to work anyway

[subtle heart]

It won't

[maiden nebula]

this is going to encourge ratting and will desimate pvp 😦 however its never been easier to rat to a static now, gratz if thats ur play style

[lofty ruin]

FINALLY ENTRACE FEE FOR HR!! GOD!

[naive seal]

At this rate we don’t need multiclass everyone is just half rogue half what ever they want to play lol

[deft lintel]

You do realize different people work on different things right? Most of theese changes are numerical, so the coders haven't worked on this. YOu also think a level designer is doing balance changes? grow up

[golden jungle]

still 5 people goblin caves?

[lofty ruin]

NERF CLERIC!! AND WARLOCK!! ALL MAGIC ATACK IS ABSURD PHYSICAL CLASSES ARE REDUCED TO DUST. AND ENTRACE FEE IS GOOD

[royal fulcrum]

based on what you just said here im not even gonna try to argue with you , im guessing you already know why

[lofty ruin]

ALL META CLERIC AND WARLOCK ARE F!"#!

[hasty eagle]

nah 2x headshot is stupid af, crossbow headshots can now oneshot you lmao

[winter tinsel]

Cause everyone loves being 1 shot ofc

[deft lintel]

Good, you realized i'm right. Smart

[royal fulcrum]

well i thought youre a bit smarter than that but i guess i was wrong , you will get there one day

[main raven]

Rangers can deal 2.15x more headshot damage with the perk too lmao

[hasty eagle]

yea ranger can now two shot you with a survival bow, let that sink in

[wraith hawk]

No need to nerf the Cleric
Let developers cleanse their heads at Holy Water Park

[deft lintel]

Why two shot when you can one shot?

[main raven]

I mean hitting someone with the Survival Bow is already a challenge tbh

[hasty eagle]

??? bro you get 10 shots and a 4 pewpewpew thing it really isn't

[hasty eagle]

oh wait you being sarcastic mb

[main raven]

If you spam shots the velocity is so poor its super easy to dodge. True Shot actually helps a lot with this though since it removes all drop and makes it a point-and-click adventure

The pulse rifle combo (True Shot + Quickshot) is absolutely hysterical to hit someone with

[hasty eagle]

oh yea and you can pretty much one shot anyone with a windlass now lmao that is for sure great game design, might as well go play tarkov at this point

[main raven]

I kinda like the Windlass being a one-tap to the head though, considering how much downtime the weapon has

[safe basin]

anyone know when maintenance ends?

[hasty eagle]

a one tap is never ever good for the game, period

[main raven]

For the most part I agree, but I do think the Windlass should be the exception. If it doesn't one-tap to the head its almost entirely pointless over other options unless you happen to hit multiple members of a party in a single shot.

That being said, with these numbers you could 100% make the Longbow or Crossbow a one-tap to the head with very little investment

[versed spoke]

fighter and barb can now 1 shot u in the head

[vivid pendant]

what a bietch lol

[brisk mason]

eh windlass is fine without 1 tap to the head. still has a lot of slow and dmg,

[hasty eagle]

true, not good either, but the problem is you are probably dead anyways if a fighter or a bard gets close enough, with the windlass you are just walking around and you suddenly blow up lmao

[safe basin]

windlass being a 1 shot headhsot is a huge problem. people can potentially have several in their inventory and switch in between them instead of reloading. Aka you can have like 4 chances to 1 shot kill

[versed spoke]

that proves the point it takes more skill to aim a crossbow than it is to just swing a weapon from around the corner and now with creep its worse

[vivid pendant]

dnd and dnd, every class can stealth, rogues just do it much better

[main raven]

The Crossbow deals about 75-80% of the Windlass's damage and fires about twice as fast, plus several other classes can use it

@safe basin It now takes time to equip ranged weapons; you can't hotswap anymore

[safe basin]

it still takes less time to swap than to reload

[flint dune]

i think he means its still faster than a reload

[hasty eagle]

a one tap and a two tap is super diffrent, to a target with 100 heath, doing 105 and doing 80 is two completly diffrent things

[flint dune]

it saddens me that you cannot chain off dead body anymore, i mean atleast start by reducing the damage (when using dead body or teamplayer - i think wouldv been better start of a nerf), never remove fun from a game is my motto

[main raven]

It IS faster, but its still definitely more of a skillshot to hit the Windlass headshot

[tall wind]

that headshot change is gonna be messy

[main raven]

I'll probably defend the Windlass until I get one-tapped by one and then I'll start complaining lmao

[buoyant phoenix]

headshot revert next hotfix, the IM way

[versed spoke]

they need to revert 2x headshot dmg and creep for everyone right now

[tall wind]

warlock boc base kit might be able to hit for 150 hp before gear

[hasty eagle]

yea ttk should not be lowered further in general, I agree with you on your point, I am just saying a getting killed by a windlass is going to be a lot more fustrating since there is no counter play, it literally just depends whether or not your opponent hits their shot

there is nothing you can do yourself other than not fighting them

[tall wind]

which means headshot probably will 1 shot every class but fighter/barb/cleric

[flint dune]

im buying up all windlass crossbows , price going to rise 🤣

[grizzled hatch]

the devs are stupid lets not change whats a problem in the game lets make everyone get creep

[versed spoke]

thats ranger for you in general

[grizzled hatch]

are they on something or what

[hasty eagle]

I feel like they are increasing damamge since they increased armor last patch, but like, just no it is stupid af lmao

[tall wind]

god zero to hero runs are about to be so profitable lol

[versed spoke]

ive cleared out rangers with fighter and barb easily in crypts maps

[grizzled hatch]

they cant expect a big player base of players when they keep doing random shit like this

[flint dune]

it feels like they dont know if they have to target the skilled players or the casual players all the time.

[grizzled hatch]

every lobby i join in duos is warlock and barb i wonder why, wait lets buff it.

[flint dune]

you cant please both types of gamers. this problem is the same with other games losing playerbase atm.

[hasty eagle]

like testing things is one thing, but some changes are literally clearly terrible lol

[versed spoke]

2x headshot and creep for everyone needs revert asap

[safe basin]

RIP Wizards

[deep osprey]

everyone can creep now?!?!

[stray sluice]

Wow, 2x Headshot multiplier is wild considering TTK was already extremely fast for unarmored players this patch. Ig wear armor or get 1-tapped by literally anyone

[hasty eagle]

yea so you can get your daily dose of heart attack, everygame now

[tall wind]

creep for everyone is aight ith me but that headshot is gonna be a NIGHTMARE with scaling

[flint dune]

why did they not just reduce the damage by 50% if you chain off a teammate or deadbody....... way better solution IMO, please proof me wrong.

[versed spoke]

rogue +5 move speed in creep alright cool great perk identity

[tall wind]

1 shot hide rogues are back ig

[hasty eagle]

oh damn did not think about that

[safe basin]

do not agree with this patch

[versed spoke]

its one shot for everyone now just whoever gets it off

[flint dune]

thats like a... lets not make the rogue players too angry.. and throw them a cookie

[hasty eagle]

yea I don't see a single person happy with 2x head shot lol

[grizzled hatch]

nobody does they are fucking stupid

[subtle heart]

Holdup 5x5 goblin caves?!

[keen abyss]

Ranger is litteraly the worst class in the game right now, 2x hs is for all class not only for ranger why would you cry about it

[limber badge]

I have not played in a while and it looks like it's staying that way.
2x headshot damage and creep on everyone is actually hilarious.

[main raven]

I think Warlock is gonna be the most busted class after these changes

[grizzled hatch]

I am at my breaking point where i wont play until they fix the game

[flint dune]

woooohh relax guys 😄

[grizzled hatch]

giving everyone creep doesnt solve anything

[main raven]

BoC/Phantom just became really, really hard to counter rofl

[subtle heart]

I find it funny how everyone is having a pissy fit rn

[versed spoke]

im finding the game hard to play as is and now they messing it up even more

[grizzled hatch]

its a oneshot, ecaspe 20 sec cd

[hasty eagle]

Lastly, we plan to test applying a feature similar to Rogue's Creep to all classes, allowing players to utilize various strategies even in unfavorable situations. If this change has too negative of an impact, it may be rolled back in the next hotfix. We appreciate your feedback as we continue to test these adjustments.
oh well, at least they do know it will go south\

[main raven]

Oh, no I phantom towards people and then one-tap them with a Kris dagger lmao

[versed spoke]

games boring and we still dont have ruins

[hasty eagle]

but honestly I do think 2x headshot is much more of a problem than creep for all

[grizzled hatch]

every lobby has 10 warlocks wonder why

[main raven]

Honestly I don't think the creep change is gonna do much

[flint dune]

the devs are trying to solve things for 100% of playerbase.
our opinions are from either gamer camp or casual camp.
so it will almost always clash with their changes.

[hasty eagle]

yea but 2x is guarrenteed to break the game

[main raven]

Yeah... thats a harder point to contest lmao

[grizzled hatch]

but by doing nothing they are doing something which is destroying the game imo

[hasty eagle]

oh well everyone should now just stack armor and hp lmao

[flint dune]

you cant stop devs from destroying their own game..

[barren ingot]

how do we get bad balance changes after bad balance changes back to back to back to back

[flint dune]

theres too much divide in the pool of gamers now a days

[fossil jackal]

People think barbs are dumb but imagining dedicating your entire life to studying roguecraft and Gronk figures out if he just crouches he is just as stealthy

[kind osprey]

can we get an explanation at least on why they nerfed holy strike

[hasty eagle]

tbf I think the balance change lately has been alright, testing things out is cool, but this patch is going tooooooo far

[versed spoke]

they are clueless with their game i can take a one look at 2x headshot dmg and say yeah no

[flint dune]

theres casuals, theres sweats, theres mid gamers. cant please everyone. back in the day it was just gamers. and they were all sort of sweats 😄

[limber badge]

[subtle heart]

Ask the cleric chat for a clip of holy strike, you’ll see why

[hasty eagle]

it was way too good, but this nerf is way too big I would give you that, 150 to 80 is like castration almost

[flint dune]

if you know 2x headshot is insane, then abuse it maximum, and it will be nerfed. enjoy changing the meta, enjoy having influence by headshotting.

[kind osprey]

im in cleric chat, currently on fire from the nerfs. im not playing this hotfix cause of the nerf

[grizzled hatch]

they are pressing random buttons from their control room hoping its gonna turn out good

[main raven]

Besides the fact that it had zero counters?

[hasty eagle]

nah problem is others will also one shot me, and it is going to be unfun for everyone

[subtle heart]

Holy strike was op Im glad it got nerfed

[mint stirrup]

what is the point of being a rogue if everyone can sneak

[gritty flume]

Crossbow Skelly is going to one shot to the head now???? L headshot change

[versed spoke]

waste of time if everyone knows its busted

[modest sonnet]

guys, one side effect of headshot damage buff is the PVE will be more fast to do, and i like that 🙂

[barren ingot]

i truly dont beleive these guys play their own game. At the highest level of gameplay having 2x headshot and creep on all classes is just asking for a 1 tap simulator

[kind osprey]

dodge it. movespeed meta makes it easy to dodge.

[hasty eagle]

highest level? you can def oneshot with blue gear

[versed spoke]

literally its a no brainer to see that 2x headshot is gonna be busted and should be reverted

[main raven]

It had 150 range, dodging it was virtually impossible to do, but go on

[flint dune]

this is true, i dodge a lot too.

some rangers are insane though. haha

[gritty flume]

Genuinely thinking about not playing until headshot revert

[pulsar cliff]

2x hs mult is insane

[kind osprey]

it had 150 AoE. they just almost halved the AoE. this also lowers the effective range by 70. You can literally stand 7 meters away from a cleric and there is nothing they can do

[keen abyss]

Holy strike was op Im glad it got nerfed

Wizards were God tier Im glad it got nerfed

Rangers were Dog tier Im glad HS does 2x damage

Creep is good for strategic and big brain mooves Im glad we can try it

At least thanks for the good balance

[flint dune]

i kinda agree with this

[stray sluice]

You could already dance on cast range edge or juke during his windup, stop running straight lines maybe

[main raven]

I mean, yeah now Holy Strike actually resembles something thats actually somewhat balanced and not just a better version of Lightning Strike

[versed spoke]

no 2x for every class is not okay barb and fighter will 1 shot

[subtle heart]

I agree with this except for the ranger part

[flint dune]

this is actually a way more sane recap of the patch, compared too the, IM DONE IN GOING TO QUIT 😄

[fading plinth]

Community: TTK is too fast in HR, it's why people like normals combat.

IM: aight bet, here's 2x headshot multiplier.

[kind osprey]

and now its worse lightning strike, and wizards had other options for ranged spells. And wizards dont even take lightning strike cause its so bad.

[midnight crystal]

Jesus H 2x head damage

[main raven]

You're a CLERIC, not a WIZARD. Complaining about not dealing Wizard damage is laughable

Also Lightning Strike is still really good on Wizard, don't know where you heard that from

[kind osprey]

it is literally. clerics only. ranged. option. as the slowest class in the game.

[limber badge]

It's actually baffling

[vivid pendant]

seeing a holy strike do almost 50% hp to someone is wild lol

[main raven]

Welcome to the Cleric's primary downside. Good to see you're late to the party.

[subtle heart]

Womp womp cleric has a disadvantage

[stray sluice]

Atleast clerics still have smite torches... for now

[hasty eagle]

tbf holy strike shouldn't have been a thing in the first place, not point of giving cleric their own version of a wizard spell

[main raven]

Honestly what the fuck does this guy even want Cleric to be

[hasty eagle]

should've gave cleric some other cool spell of their own

[kind osprey]

and why cleric will be unplayable this hotfix. What I want cleric to be? viable outside of casting holy light on real classes

[subtle heart]

Support class

[main raven]

"yeah I should be a really scary damage caster and also have a ton of healing AND buffs"

[versed spoke]

cleric should just be support and healer role but binding and dmg come on it does way to much fr

[main raven]

Cleric was unplayable in Playtest 2. He's come so far from PT2 and you still find a way to complain

[pure jolt]

Good riddance holy strike. Literally more powerful than wizards lightning and undodgeable unless you have high speed.

[plucky bridge]

why on earth would they increase headshot damage, this is stupid

[versed spoke]

toddler could hit you with holy strike before the change glad its changed

[main raven]

Honestly anyone that's complaining about the nerf are just coping that they can't abuse it anymore

[kind osprey]

yes, 25 base damage is stronger than lightning strikes 30 base damage, on top of lightning strike having a 50% slow on hit vs the worst flashbang I've ever seen

[stray sluice]

I mean they nerfed his solo viability and didn't touch on why he is picked in 90% of trio teams. Good job i guess? L change, clerics were already rare in solo HR

[steady halo]

Only good take I've seen in the last 20 mins

[main raven]

Holy Strike does a lot more damage when you can have 36% Magic Power Bonus in your BASEKIT

[flint dune]

Lot of emotion and focus on 2x headshot in this channel right now.

[kind osprey]

wizard has base 20%. 16% does not make the difference.

[versed spoke]

rever 2x headshot dmg asap

[flint dune]

Theres also a lot of good in the patch.

[main raven]

Also wrong, but go on

[subtle heart]

Rangers doing 2x + 15% is the only thing I’m scared about

[kind osprey]

and pretty sure 25 will is base 30% MPB

[flint dune]

I think ironmace is looking at the data of all players.. and the biggest yellers right now are people who cant dodge arrows i feel like 😅 uh oh im going to get hated for this comment.

[main raven]

because Clerics definitely didn't just get a perk that boosts all divine damage by 15%

[subtle heart]

28 damage recurve bow is gonna do 56 dmg per headshot

[kind osprey]

and that costs a perk unlike lightning strike, next

[plucky bridge]

rangers creeping with windlass’s or longbows and one shotting people is prob gonna be aids

[main raven]

What other perks do Clerics even use? Wizards have a LOT of strong perks, but Clerics can pick pretty much anything really

[steady halo]

That's before pdr/headshot reduction

[flint dune]

try hitting headshots with a recurve consistently against a good player, its impossible.

[versed spoke]

agreed

[dire cedar]

I like the patch notes, only thing I can see being an issue is the 2.0 headshot dmg, I can see all the strong melee classes being absolute units after this

[main raven]

Cleric can run Advanced/PFE/Perseverance/Faithfulness and be absolutely cracked

[stray sluice]

Honestly only thing im probably going to do this hotfix is turn off lights and crouch walk everywhere with a purple longbow/windlass. Dealing 100+ damage a hit is going to be stupid

[versed spoke]

yeah barb and fighter are winning with 2x headshot

[hasty eagle]

again the problem is not with it doing a lot, it is with 1 tap, im fine with 2x on a recurve, but on a crossbow/windlass it is a diffrent story

[flint dune]

🤣 stream it please

[kind osprey]

cleric has some of the strongest competition for perks, because protection from evil, perseverance, and advanced healers are basically locked in. then you have blunt mastery, faithfulness, requiem, undead slaying to pick from depending on what you're doing.

[steady halo]

Everyone knows arrows seek out your skull, windlass will always hit your head

[subtle heart]

We’re just gonna have to stack headshot reduction this hot fix

[stray sluice]

Did you know theres a skill on ranger that nearly makes it hitscan

[main raven]

Stick to a Crossbow; there's an audible sound that plays when you're holding a drawn bow.

@kind osprey Literally none of those other perks are anywhere near as good as Faithfulness

[versed spoke]

so bassically just revert the changes to 2x headshot lol

[subtle heart]

By ourselves yeah

[hasty eagle]

oh yes, the one stat you cannot actually stack

[hard rock]

One shotting people

[flint dune]

🍿

[main raven]

Also Rangers get a skill that allows them to ignore half your headshot reduction lmao

[steady halo]

Just stack helmets

[kind osprey]

requiem is a requirement if you're running rez, there's overheal too, blunt weapon is still the only way to not have negative phys power at base STR

[subtle heart]

Just put multiple helmets on yourself ez fix

[hasty eagle]

cannot wait to wear a hounskull with my rouge, oh wait

[vivid pendant]

people forget that SOLO queue was never meant to exist in this game lol

[versed spoke]

well now its just baiting them to walk into a room around the corner play barb and run his axe perks then use battle axe or horsemans axe with lantern and watch the world burn

[steady halo]

Wear a few, as a treat

[dire cedar]

But I can’t wait to stack phys power and see how much damage a longsword riposte does to the head. That seems interesting to me

[vivid pendant]

"i want solo class" blah blah

[subtle heart]

How am I gonna play when my friends are offline tho

[mental matrix]

eh i moved away from requiem as long as your geared you can get the heal off in storm

[short sand]

ah yeah true the classic stealth archer build gonna be op i think bow should maybe make like a wood clunking sound when you move around with them maybe or idk or make a much slower move speed when crouching with one

[vivid pendant]

you got 2 hands, get some lotion?

[subtle heart]

Also by 5x5 goblin caves does that mean there’s gonna be 2 teams of 5 people fighting eachother?

[kind osprey]

not sure on the spell casting speed requirement myself

[main raven]

I said this already but there's actually a creaking sound that plays when you hold a drawn bow that other people can hear. The Crossbows are silent though

[vivid pendant]

the map layout is 5x5 LOL

[drifting crater]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow @subtle heart Please don't implement the 2x headshot dmg.

[versed spoke]

is it back for trios then??

[mental matrix]

its honestly not that high, idk the exact but if you have above 40 kng your chilling

[subtle heart]

I’m so silly

[hasty eagle]

honestly gc change is good, as long as they increase the amount of players

[kind osprey]

40 knowledge is pretty high, thats 70% cast speed

[steady halo]

Dark and darker moba when?

[vivid pendant]

nothing alludes to that

[flint dune]

what about this though:
did (already OP) bards just got omega buffed indirectly?

[short sand]

ah its hard too hear thou unless you have you headphones at max they should make it louder

[subtle heart]

Bard has always been a good class and always will be

[hasty eagle]

no not really I would say, bard doesn't benifit from lower ttk

[median rapids]

Creep chane A++, Headshot Change, F--

[versed spoke]

i mean if ur lucky to not get hit in the head by a bow then yes

[plucky bridge]

glad i got a bunch of rank points while goblin caves was a 5man snore fest

[mental matrix]

i mean not really upper limit for knowledge rn is like 60

[flint dune]

bard creep up to enemy team with the SOW and slow follow-up 🤣 want to see a video of that

[hard rock]

HOW DO I ONE SHOT PEOPLE

[median rapids]

Hit them in the head.

[hasty eagle]

buy a cross bow, spend 1k gold on some blue gear, hit them in the head once

[steady halo]

Click on the head to inflict critical damage

[stray sluice]

Just so everyone knows right now, a purple windlass on a near-naked ranger will be hitting 140 damage, and longbow 101 damage - Stay safe 🙂

[hard rock]

Is goblin caves now 10 people but double the size

[versed spoke]

2x headshot dmg revert pls its not gonna be fun with 1 taps especially playing norms

[hard rock]

This is good right

[subtle heart]

I got so mad when old bard got nerfed but now I realize that it was def deserved

[flint dune]

o yes

[rapid arrow]

Considering any gray weapon can two hit a ranger that's a nice change to see

[median rapids]

The TTK was already too low before this change. Nobody likes 1-shot gameplay.

[versed spoke]

they should make tranquility give 5 health per tick so we aint sitting on our butts the entire game

[median rapids]

Resting should ramp over time.

[subtle heart]

The rest mechanic entirely is dumb and doesn’t add anything meaningful to the game

[versed spoke]

tbh i agree

[flint dune]

yeah two barbs hitting each other for 2 hours while getting healed is way more fun 😄

[rapid arrow]

The rest mechanic is integral to this hame

[versed spoke]

to late to back out now tho they already have cosmetics for it

[dusty pendant]

cap

[steady halo]

If it didn't take so damn long when there's only 15 minutes or so in a round

[main raven]

Honestly, I think Tranquility should just be able to heal recoverable HP without having to rest, but at a much slower rate. It was 2 HP per second originally, which was cracked

[median rapids]

I'd rather remove healing spells than get 1-shot

[rapid arrow]

No cap

[subtle heart]

Only reason it exists is so bard can’t heal soft health and spell mid fights

[hard rock]

What does 5x5 goblin caves mean

[median rapids]

5 MOdules wiude by 5 Tall

[versed spoke]

well cleric is already a better healer and i think if bard could get recoverable health faster it would be well compensated since we do have to rest

[steady halo]

Bigger map, 5x5 grid

[flint dune]

i agree with this, if it was not good enough for combat, but good enough to progress through map. 100% better

[rapid arrow]

It means 5v5. Two teams of 5. Big change

[median rapids]

I would actually prefer this as a mode.

[main raven]

Chorale should absolutely require you to sit down though. It was absolutely busted when you could recharge spells on the move lmao

[steady halo]

Dark and darker tac shooter when

[flint dune]

maybe they could add some type of debuff on these spells too. lets say it heals you while moving, but reduces your dmg output or slow etc. pick one. but having to sit is 🛌

[hard rock]

So how many players now on goblin caves

[median rapids]

I want nothing from Tac Shooters to come here, I just want an arena

[short sand]

i think bows in general need huge nerf like an aim cone, random stray arrow chance based on distance or something tired of having fighter, rangers & bards sitting across the room shooting you for 20mins

[steady halo]

Still 5, probably will get increased soon though

[mental matrix]

they didnt mention a change good luck finding anyone lol

[versed spoke]

its nice incase wizards lose their spells but imagine a cleric getting their heals back over and over again

[zinc tiger]

Nobody talk about the unreal engine change? Does this change affect low end pc?

[steady halo]

Agreed lol

[flint dune]

thats why everyone just carries 50 pots and bandages now a days.. just shows that people cant be bothered to campfire.. campfire in higher ranks is exclusively used for gaining spells back.

[rapid arrow]

Bruh it's literally so easy to dodge arrows just strafe around man. Ranger can get two hit by almost every gray weapon in the game

[main raven]

I think having the tranq heal stacking on top of the resting heal would be fine anyway. If Tranqulity restored 1 point of recoverable HP every two seconds it wouldn't be OP at all.

2HP every second was 120 HP per minute, which was just absurd while it lasted

[flint dune]

yup

[digital dock]

its not a HUGE change, you are already running unreal engine 5...

[median rapids]

They just need to do less damage. That's the only change that needs to be made. Its the only real change theyve needed since launch. Bows do too much damage. Their existence makes the game worse when they're as oppressive as they are.

[sudden crow]

how fast u think they’re reverting the headshot change? 😂

[mystic sky]

Another buff to rangers and rogues 🤮

[median rapids]

It going live at all is too long.

[versed spoke]

better be right now

[gritty flume]

The first time I get one shot by a 2x multi crossbow skeleton headshot I'm going to see red

[rapid arrow]

Literally rogue just lost one of its big advantages and your calling it a buff to rogues? Lmao

[sudden crow]

2 worst classes still lol

[hard rock]

I've been running duos on ice caverns so I've been running into lots of people

[main raven]

Nah this is 100% a buff to Warlock and no one can convince me otherwise. BoC Kris Locks are gonna be insane this patch

[hasty eagle]

knowing them 2 weeks lol

[versed spoke]

do you even play this game lol

[sudden crow]

this just made felling axe god tier

[steady halo]

We eatin good for this patch tho

[versed spoke]

slayer build 1 tap head

[hasty eagle]

to be fair we will have to see, rouge might be able to two tab now

[sudden crow]

and u can run a crossbow without any perk

[rapid arrow]

This change will finally make survival bows viable in hr lobby's. Kinda pumped actually

[versed spoke]

yep and dont forget victory strike

[hard rock]

That's okay right?

[flint dune]

rogue can be an absolute destroyer ... just requires a lot of 🤑 , but it still has potential to destroy other people who spend a lot of 🤑 , so its very high risk high reward at the moment (i am not talking about trios though - rogue is completely useless now in trios)

[versed spoke]

its okay but 2x headshot dmg not okay

[sudden crow]

slayer fighter with adrenaline rush and crossbow seems really good now.

[hard rock]

How so

[flint dune]

❗ you still need to hit the headshot to get your insane 2x dmg guys 😛

[sudden crow]

u have super fast attack speed with 2 weapons out and a double hs multiplier

[versed spoke]

rogue is good in trios if u can somehow manage getting their cleric or wizard either by trading but yeah true its very situational

[urban sonnet]

Shoot me in the foot now everyone is a rogue and rogue itself is not special

[sudden crow]

that’s why felling is goated

[main raven]

Rogue can go invisible. Warlocks can go invincible. Tell me whats better lmao

[flint dune]

yeah lets talk about this please haha

[rapid arrow]

Rogue has been a shit class for several patches now literally no reason to play it just learn another class

[plush frost]

Barbarian 1 taps incoming

[flint dune]

everyone so focused on the impossible ranged headshots, and ignoring barbarians

[steady halo]

Felling always was zooted

[sudden crow]

just dethroned zwei for sure

[stray lily]

rogue can only go invisible if they dont move....and they make a loud noise when they stealth now lmao

[sudden crow]

now it’s all consensus

[main raven]

I definitely wasn't implying Rogues had the longer end of the stick lmao

They fixed the noise actually

[flint dune]

yeah moving with stealth is not a thing anymore lol

[hasty eagle]

if you are getting melee by a barb you are dying either way, 1.5 or 2x makes no diffrence

[civic shuttle]

What the hell does rogue have left

[hasty eagle]

erm, they don't have to buy lock picks! op!

[flint dune]

in trios it matters a lot

[steady halo]

1 vs 2 taps is actually a big deal

[main raven]

free lockpicking! you know, ignoring that one other class that can also do it

[hasty eagle]

good point

[digital dock]

No matter how strong they make barbarian its still more fun to fight against than some sweaty ranger or warlock

[rapid arrow]

Again people, stop complaining about rogue. Here is a newsflash. It's a shit class. It will probably be a shit class for a while since iron mace is focused more on the aspect of team fights which rogue is almost always useless in. We get it. Your cheese class is broken and shitty. It's gonna be that way for a while

[hasty eagle]

what I am saying is they can pretty much always get the second hit off anyways

[steady halo]

Sneak barb is gonna be doing some choppin

[main raven]

I'm telling you people Warlock is gonna be the absolute worst thing to fight this patch.

Bloodpact Locks alone will deal FOUR TIMES their weapon damage on headshots

[rapid arrow]

Warlock has always been the most dangerous to run across

[urban sonnet]

Rogue getting creep after hide nerfs was great, I never really played with hide and I like playing with stealth, people telling me to choose another class when I enjoy the play style of class is annoying, It just sucks that as soon as rogue gets some strengh or something that makes ROGUE A ROGUE, a new patch give everyone creep.

[pearl jacinth]

Sneak barbs with increased hs damage. This’ll be fun

[digital dock]

would have been a nice tradeoff if rogues were the only ones able to creep while wearing shoes (movement speed buff and stats) and forcing all other classes to remove all types of shoes in order for them to creep

[rapid arrow]

Get better nerd. If you enjoy the class then master it and get good. If your gonna complain in discord all day, make a new class and try to actually enjoy the game because again, rogue Biffs aren't coming for a while. They aren't focusing on the solo aspect nearly as much as the team aspect and rogues don't fit well into team gameplay

[mint stirrup]

Yep. Fist time I’ve so completely hated a patch, can’t really defend IM this time. This is the kinda wild shit that the test server is supposed to be for

[main raven]

Honestly landmine rogue has some potential now that you don't need creep. The first headshot with a Stilleto deals 300% more damage with Ambush and a headshot

Combine that with the 15% Dagger Damage perk and you could definitely meme on some people

[steady halo]

Wait untill they see the landmine barb

[hasty eagle]

and guess what, that is not going to be fun for anyone

[main raven]

you're not wrong rofl

[mint stirrup]

As syndrome said, “when everyone’s a landmine, nobody is”

[hasty eagle]

the best stratagy this patch would be to sit in the dark, and no one will have fun, cause everyone is land mining

[flint dune]

not sure if new here... but rogue is only there to be shit on... your not supposed to actually play it... 😅 j/k

[digital dock]

this is a good patch, we are in early access and this patch hits a lot of interesting corners of the game that will yield a lot of good data for future updates

[steady halo]

If these changes make it like 3 days it'll probably devolve into that unfortunately

[shut sparrow]

L patch

[gritty flume]

Imagine being a new player and taking 90% to a white sword skeleton headshot. Getting literally one shot by crossbow skeletons

[flint dune]

W patch

[hasty eagle]

nah unpopular opinion rouge was great this patch, you just have to build him right, I played till exampler and killed a lot of people with poision rouge

[flint dune]

i know, i wrote j/k at the end 😅 (which means "just kidding" rogue's insane with AD Dmg, but many dont know (because most cannot afford that))

[jade mulch]

They're nerfing cleric? Wtf

[hallow hinge]

maybe they should balance pve and pvp damage separately

[main raven]

With gear poison rogue has never been bad really

[versed spoke]

yes its good they are a toddler can hit holy strike

[main raven]

Unless you're fighting a Cleric then you're done for lmao

[rapid arrow]

Lol that's literally how any new player who plays ranger has felt for a while now. Welcome to the game

[fervent scaffold]

True

[hasty eagle]

yea and it is not even expensive, cause you are pretty much looking for str gear with add magic, which no one else uses

[digital dock]

I agree with you, I had some of my most fun kills using creep to track full sweat teams. Sneaking right up to someone while they are sitting at a campfire and double tapping their brainstem was top tier gaming

[lime anchor]

Have they? I've experienced several occasions where they didn't see me invis but apparently heard me because they started swinging once they got into the room.

[main raven]

I dunno, I thought they fixed it?

[mint stirrup]

I don’t think that was an unpopular opinion, rogue was most balanced it has ever been imo. Then they go and ruin creep by giving it to everyone

[hasty eagle]

oh I play a bit diffrently, im the annoying fly with 2 hand crossbow constanly shooting you and closing the door to reload lmao

[flint dune]

🤣 brain stem, holy shit thats accurate poke

[lime anchor]

Rogue was fine if you didn't engage in pvp 🥲

[hasty eagle]

Im just seeing way too many people talking about rouge being weak, I mean yea if you are naked rouge is 100% the weakest class, but with gear it is good

[flint dune]

hahahaha

[main raven]

If you hit someone with a thrown Torch does it proc Poison?