game-discussion

[brisk mason]

I think vamperism makes it 4 healing but i could be wrong

[twin spear]

no vampirism increases magical healing stat by 20% and since magical healing doesnt effect shadow touch then it doesnt work

[austere flame]

yo i just watched a guy get stuck on barrels in the storm and be stuck there till he died.......

the worst part is is i was thinking about breaking the exact barrels he got stuck on

[kind osprey]

nerf demon form PLEASE. shit's broken. actually just nerf warlock.

[main raven]

Bloodpact isn't that crazy really

[kind osprey]

idk killed me real fast from 75% PDR

[main raven]

Odd since most of your damage would be Physical. Blood Pact deals 3 True Magic Damage per hit with Shadow Touch, and 4 Magic Damage per hit while Exploitation Strike is active, but that only has a base duration of 4 seconds

[kind osprey]

add on +10 all from soul collector which shouldn't be a thing, free dark bolts in the small chance he can't melee you

killed me in about 6-7 hits

[main raven]

Bloodpact has a pretty short melee range since its basically unarmed+, so kiting with a shield or just with movespeed while scoring the occasional hit should work

Also when they pop Exploitation you definitely want to either run until it's over or block so they can't hit you for free HP gain. I do think dark bolts landed during its duration count, though

[kind osprey]

tried blocking, didn't seem useful. but also unclear hitbox on where to block

[hearty tree]

they need to get rid of that busted ass spawn in gc where you spawn within aggro range of the bolaslinger and mage its unbelievable that its been in the game this whole time

[compact depot]

bro where do you find a giant spider all the goblin modules dont have any

[cursive shuttle]

I will say this every wipe. There needs to be some sort of way to separate people out based on gear far better than this system

Disparity is so far ahead right now that the player base is already more than half of what it was lol...

[fickle lark]

+10 all from soul shard then plus 15 str from warlock buff spell in norms 🧠 💯

[dark turtle]

does crouching with shield not work against wraith anymore?

[sand orchid]

is there a soft cap on luck now with it being on all gear?

[neon aurora]

Would anyone here use a third party/ironmace website which lets you browse the market if it was available?

[twin magnet]

probably, if it has class specific filters

[neon aurora]

I feel like it would be more useful when you're in a raid and want to know the price of something that has good stats.

[dense widget]

anyone else having issues swinging as a fighter after a few awings?

[stiff grail]

Is the Potion of Luck quest bugged?

[twin magnet]

you need to drinkem in goblin caves

[stiff grail]

ok ty

[cosmic path]

can you xfer items from one char to another?

i mistakenly took rewards on class I dont wanna play. now my coin purse is on a class i dont play....

[sand orchid]

you will get the rewards on every class that u made it to to the reward for coin purse, just will have to recalim all the rewards on all the classes u made it to rewards for

[hearty tree]

What do yall think is the most painful class to level

[cosmic path]

not what i asked ty

[sand orchid]

wdym?

[hearty tree]

to be fair it was a stupid question if you've played long enough to get a gold bag you should know how to move items between characters

[cosmic path]

hurr durr make fun of noobs

asking if i can xfer items, thats it

[hearty tree]

yes

[sand orchid]

just have someone trasfer it on ur acct for u

[hearty tree]

^

[sand orchid]

dont let a rando

[hearty tree]

collectors guild

[sand orchid]

they will steal it, someone u trust

[raven sierra]

every time the game crashes, i reload and it says client is already running. has anyone found a fix for this

[uneven minnow]

Is thrust from rogue supposed to be good? if the enemy has 75% pdr you deal 15% more damage but the lower you have the worse it gets, no? unless im missing something

[brisk mason]

Gives you a chance to kill a high pdr player, otherwise you just cant on rogue

[violet drift]

How the fuck did I just get one tapped by a naked warlock with a falchion

[uneven minnow]

Currently I have poisoned weapon, ambush, dagger mastery and jokester w/ rupture and ambush. Should i subsitute jokester with thrust then?

[fast mesa]

why does my warlock have basically every item in base gear now?

[zinc iron]

Should I invest in golden keys since they're so cheap rn?

[ivory river]

Warlocks being given the option to use Kris Daggers was the dumbest thing to add in history of DND imo

Kris Dagger and a Heater Shield 😂 what has this game become

[deft lintel]

If you ask this question, then you probably shouldn’t invest. Why do you think they are so cheap? Will anything in the future change its price?

[zinc iron]

Beginning of wipe and not as much currency is flowing rn

[deft lintel]

We are way past beginning of wipe now IMO. And currency is for sure flowing. Ok, so to take this idea further, what was the purpose of golden keys before?

[zinc iron]

Not really, I'd say it's definitely still the beginning. I said not as much currency is flowing, compared to mid/late wipe

[tribal rivet]

Where can I find the spider mummies for the quest?

[unborn token]

when is the next set of quests?

[gleaming thorn]

Did anyone else know you can pull the coin chest from the goblin cave gold pile?

[deft lintel]

I’m just gonna give you the answer. Keys have no value as gold storage anymore since the auction house doesn’t use them. Now you buy bags and chests instead to do bigger trades.

[snow pawn]

Am i the only one that thinks current goblin caves encourages spawn rushing???

[twin magnet]

nah you aren't

[patent vale]

hey does anyone have an updated ice caverns map?

[snow pawn]

Like i love pvp but not in the first literal 5 seconds... especially as a cleric main lol

[twin magnet]

yea, it's pretty bad honestly 3x3 was a mistake

[snow pawn]

Exactly... even with the reduction to 5 players theres no way mathematically that at least a couple players aren't gonna spawn right next to each other. Kinda wack

[barren ingot]

Welp Oce is already dead

RIP aussie/nz gamers

[obsidian warren]

I got killed yesterday by one hit with kris dagger, I had a 2000 coins kit

[arctic python]

Came back after not playing for a while to find out that indeed the servers are still shit

[barren ingot]

servers are the worst they have ever been in any season or playtest imo

[hollow sapphire]

what do you guys think the best duo comp would be vs trios

[shell narwhal]

Wizard ranger

[hollow sapphire]

thanks. me and friend like crypts but fighting 3s is hard

[barren ingot]

Need frontline i would say wiz fighter

[arctic python]

It's not as bad as when you torrented the playtest but still not worth playing if I just lag out and die to a skele after farming the entire map

[shell coyote]

skill issue.

[arctic python]

Sure considering I have 800 hours in the game

[shell coyote]

Hours do not equal talent

[arctic python]

I'll be gone, this arguement will go nowhere

[shell coyote]

I was JK dude. Happened to me last night. Goblin caves was rubber banding so bad the entire game I couldnt move

[arctic python]

^^^ don't stop the mobs tho

[shell coyote]

Nope. Grabbed the static with like 5hp. Getting merc'd by the goblin hatchet dude while I take 1 step forward and 2 steps back

[neon wind]

rubber banding in this game is literally rigged, the only thing that gets effected is you but everything else can still damage you even players

[remote quarry]

do mimic tongues have any quest uses?

[neon wind]

not yet but they do sell for 25 gold a piece

[remote quarry]

not yet as there will be before next wipe?

[shell coyote]

theyre like fidget spinners. use them when youre tilted. squish squish squish

[remote quarry]

ok

[shell coyote]

squish

[dull verge]

🇳 🇪 🇷 🇫 ➡️ Falchion range and damage thats meta
🇧 🇺 🇫🇫 ➡️ War Hammer Range thats useless

[proper prawn]

anyone wanna duo with me? I'm drunkish but good player (cleric/rogue/bard/barb)

have 10K gold

[snow nimbus]

fastest exp nowadays? should i just go solo hell after all quests?

[twin magnet]

Ice cave is just solo mode. you can get tons of chest, exp and static escapes nearby

[snow nimbus]

escaping doesnt give much exp, im just wondering about fastest exp, money doesnt matter

[twin magnet]

lootin chest gets you exp, and the kobolds calls there freinds to attack so it's convenient to kill them.

[proper prawn]

ggulostscrubs

[limber atlas]

Have you guys considered having markers for things on the map once youve "discovered it", like a health shrine and so on?

[gilded minnow]

The map in game is supposed to be pretty vague to require exploration from what I can tell. But if you really need it just google the interactive map

I just learn where things are if it’s a map I play frequently enough to care

[sturdy thorn]

you are meant to use keys for currency when you get to that level of income

[echo marlin]

I feel like party size should determine AP gain and not which map you are queing up too

[dull verge]

🇳 🇪 🇷 🇫 ➡️ Falchion range and damage thats meta
🇧 🇺 🇫🇫 ➡️ War Hammer Range thats useless

[lofty summit]

anyone else wanna play but then remember the game's become fight and fighter?

[hot cobalt]

Daily reminder of cleric holy strike nerf when

[rigid lodge]

does blunt mastery or w/e its called work with war hammer?

[hot cobalt]

Can anyone tell me why any name that has (illi) in it is not appropriate in the game

[coarse cipher]

me too

[valid lily]

is the game down? No vendors or anything

[coarse cipher]

maybe server shutdown

[whole crown]

my game's not working

[unique pond]

cant reconnect to server so imma assume theyre down

[whole tartan]

same here

[unique pond]

damn, just finished the goblin cave quests too

[trim otter]

died in dungeon, came back to the lobby with my inventory

[jade mulch]

got out of goblin cave and all loot is gone

[lime anchor]

relog

[unique pond]

its back

[sleek basin]

So does loot value give us more xp

Also noticed normals still gives a decent amount of xp farming mobs

[elder vault]

Of all things that need nerfing rn, cleric holy strike isn’t one of them lol.

[rose mesa]

m yes 40 dmg for getting the jump on someone my mistake for doing dmg to warlock

[elder vault]

Right lmao. Let’s nerf the only counter to the brutally oppressive warlock so that they can terrorize lobbies even more

[austere junco]

@zinc sparrow @subtle heart hey why is the barbarian unable to use the long sword? it feels like he should be able to use it, when he can use every other double handed weapon and its his thing but for some reason long sword specifically no?

[gleaming rover]

barb is brute force not precision and tactics

[wary ore]

🤣🤣🤣 bro pings the devs thinking they care

[rose mesa]

ls deffinetly doesnt feel like a barb wapon

[sterile rivet]

you guys think there any chance the Longsword will be a starter kit option for Fighters?

[rose mesa]

i sure hope so

[sterile rivet]

i only started up again about a week ago and love the squire addition

since the squire being added has the available gear he offers changed at all?

[austere junco]

name another double handed weapon he cant equip

[rose mesa]

that has nothing to do with it

[gleaming rover]

terrible argument, they swing big things hard thats their thing, longsword isnt a brainless weapon, its something that in real history and practice takes a long time to master, its not a barb thing and you know it obviously isnt

[mint stirrup]

Clerics only have the one ranged attack that doesn’t even do as much damage or have as much range as every other class, and you want to nerf it? Sounds like you got skill dif’ed lol

[austere junco]

ur thinking lore perspective im thinking functionality, gameplay, consistency in roles

my guy is peerfectly capable of carrying it and using it

[gleaming rover]

im thinking logically that it does not make sense for barbarians to use a weapon that requires precision and strategy, as they are not a class that does that

[austere junco]

how come u can use zhwilerhander?

[gleaming rover]

the whole design of barbarian is aggression

zweihander does not block or counterattack or have any tactical aspect? you are delusional

[austere junco]

yeah fuck off

[gleaming rover]

zweihander is literally LARGE WEAPON SWING HARD

[pliant kite]

Facts

[unique pond]

barbs swing back forth and down. longswords for parrying and stabbing rather than brute swings

sounds more like your angry the game wont adhere to ur crappy playstyle

[chrome fog]

was doing more dmg the lower hp you are, smashing chests and doors at will, being immune to knockback cc and having the highest hp in the game (nearly 2x the next best thing) not ‘aggressive’ enough for u

[gleaming rover]

youre literally the only idiot who thinks a barb using a longsword makes sense, get over it

[pliant kite]

Barb playstyle shouldnt be precise, its a barbarian

[gleaming rover]

that is very aggressive, which is what im saying barbarians are... longswords are a tactical and mix of defense and offense

[unique pond]

its a literal W key character hold left click and W key, that isnt a longsword tactic

[hoary horizon]

Does the ghost king scream after every 20% damage taken?

[gleaming rover]

i dont understand what youre trying to say skweepy, i am stating barbarians are an aggressive playstyle and longswords do not fit the theme

[chrome fog]

ive hated barbarian since day 1 (as a rogue main) but ill say it barbarian needs a short range dash/knockdown of some kind. current state is way too kiteable

[pliant kite]

Exactly why longswords dont fit barbs

[unique pond]

exactly but people would rather complain about it than go build a fighter class for longswords

[chrome fog]

its so pathetic to watch a barb fight with no buffs supports with him

[gleaming rover]

i think barbs aight in solos right now, definitely has some rough matchups like cleric and ranger when they play well

[chrome fog]

if any class wants to walk away then they can, thats why its so bad

[pliant kite]

I feel like everything I play is ass, and everything everyone else play is op.

(I am not skill issued btw)

[gleaming rover]

eh, you can use achilles and rage to gap close and outplay

[rose mesa]

capable or not it DOESNT fit him nor fits his intended role of being forhead W swing swing it is ffaaaarr more fitting for a fighter to have ls also functionality no he wouldnt be able to use it he could carry it and wing it like the zwei but fully utilizing the ls no

[gleaming rover]

but it is hard, and if the opponent is good its definitely not an ideal strat to go for

[rose mesa]

completely different sword

[rose mesa]

nice counter argument bozo

[chrome fog]

but achilles being a long cd like it is and also being the *only thing in his kit that helps him catch ppl in current meta is rough

rage is bad excuse for move speed, everyone has way better versions

[gleaming rover]

rage does to be fair have the lowest cooldown of all the movespeed abilities by a good bit

[austere junco]

cheers for the arguement, nice to see i started a discussion i am no longer mad, stop @ ing me plssss

[chrome fog]

i domt even play barb at all i just kill it and see it and im like man that is tuff

victimpov

[rose mesa]

🥰 sowy

[gleaming rover]

yah i getcha, only reason im not on the buff barb train is im currently in pathfinder with it and RARELY run into any real form of resistance

[gleaming rover]

only thing to get clsoe to killing me so far was a ranger who kited very well and dodged very well, he had good gear too though

i know if i run into a cleric with the right build i may go down too though, gotta respect the clerics

[valid lily]

does squire only provide junk? Or whites as well when you complete quests ?

[crystal fractal]

junk and poor, so both gray/light gray tiers

[marsh plover]

bring ruins bacccckkkkkkkkkkkkk

[neon narwhal]

does the hide have silouleth even if you are standing? some strange ppl just going straight to me even when i was in invis pretty long time before they came into room

[mellow mortar]

Might have just stood in a spot that makes sense for a rogue to hide in

Gotta resist temptation for "good" spots and shake it up

[neon narwhal]

okay, so there is no silouette while standing if i get your answer right

[mellow mortar]

Like next to walls and corners people rush for cuz its where it feels right to invis

And nah, sillouette is only when you first turn invis and when you move

Unless its bugged which who knows, it may be
I havnt really ran into any stealth rogues this wipe so far my couple times playing

[neon narwhal]

okay, thanks

[mellow mortar]

[wooden thunder]

lol I see Frannie meta is still alive and well. Had a barb with 16 frannies throwing his arm out

[surreal steppe]

I’m still having update integrity bug and my game just doesn’t update since the latest patch.

[abstract valve]

Can they fix the teaming issue we got 6v3 With insane gear, its just fucking pathetic how bad those players are

[wind venture]

Can we get landmine rogues back? Max speed poison might be the worse thing you can fight against lol

[simple whale]

Dungeonborne will legit be a better game by default as long as ranger exists, horrible class design

[sleek basin]

That game is terrible...slow mobs are ass it's for players who struggle with skill issue

[simple whale]

Ranger is for players that struggle with skill issue, legit end of discussion

[dark crown]

Are the lobbies rotating or are they locked for how many people you have

[sleek basin]

Go play ranger and say that

[simple whale]

I made 7k gold with my ranger just playing to level 15, its the most free and boring shit ever

[full lynx]

I think shield slam would be more viable if instead of shoving the target back it caused the blinding effect of holy strike as a kind of concussive effect

[dense marten]

Is there an exploit or something people have found for duos?? Two rogues have reached demi, with a massive point disparity. Based on the math they would have had to play close to 60+ games perfectly in a row killing all mobs, disarming traps, looting pile, and hitting all lions heads, probably even have to kill players.

[sleek basin]

In normals yeah

[simple whale]

Normals are pointless to play

[sleek basin]

Does anyone know if we need to hit level 35 to learn a masters perk/skill?

[warm tendon]

I believe so yes.

[wintry venture]

@zinc sparrow PLEASE LOOK AR MY TICKET SO I CAN PLAY FHE GAME

[fading plinth]

So, someone would have to test this but I noticed when you "disarm" a trap, of the trap is ACTIVATED when the animation finishes, it doesn't actually disable it. So theoretically, if finishing the action gives AP, and you just stand near a floor spikes hit box to activate it...

You could spend half the match spamming the same trap for AP.

[dense tree]

are map rotations ever coming back

[dense marten]

Do you retain the trap disarming kit? and I guess this could make sense but I dismantle every trap on the map (nets me around i think 100 extra points when I finish probably a little less because it adds into my prop interaction values and i cant remember how much small chests give.)

and from grinding in exemp 3 i go from getting 600-700 points to 400-500 and when i hit exemp 1 before dropping due to cheaters i was hardly making 200-300

[fading plinth]

No kit needed as a rogue.

[deft vessel]

Yes but they’re not in the game yet. Once you hit 35 you get another learning token every 5 levels

[dense marten]

Yeah I guess so, makes sense but I will have to experiment and tell you what I find out, I'll try not to open ANYTHING. Doors will have to be an exception for prop interaction, and i'll try to figure out the math for how much opening doors give you

If I can sit still at a spike trap noone comes to anyway and farm 2 trillion ap with my brain off fuck going for rank 1 on my bard 💀

[chilly pike]

If you get a spawn at barracks module in crypts, there's a spike trap right next to the static blue and you could avoid interacting with anything else and try it out

[dense marten]

nice good idea ill try spamming crypts for a lil and test it with that static

will relay my findings once i get the map and everything

[echo sparrow]

i would think similarly to ore, only the first time grants AP

[dense marten]

havent gotten the map yet lol we will find out, its annoying having to run out n suicide to mobs

adds a lil bit of time to this search

[indigo cape]

game is garbage warlock busted op

[dense marten]

run from the boc take the W after

[indigo cape]

its not boc its kris dagger and dmd on hit

[dense marten]

ok what class r u

also big shocker got a permaban on the two cheating rangers from last night lol too bad they traded my gear away to be RMT'd anyway ironmace gg

[indigo cape]

fighter, and dont preach im demigod i know how to play

[dense marten]

so use your range and if ur plate fighter below 280 ms ur asking to be touched by kris lock i dont wanna hear it 💀

[indigo cape]

u have no idea what youre talking about

if you think warlock isnt overtuned youre delusional

[dense marten]

lol i mean i kinda do but sure whatever helps ig 💀 copium,
Kris warlock v strong but u act as if you have to stand there and eat shit

[indigo cape]

lol you aint outrunning in plate

they can just cast you down anyhow

[dense marten]

thats how i know u are bad player, u dont have thought process to counterplay and you can if you weren't below 280 ms learn to build for frontline

[indigo cape]

highest rank?

[dense marten]

im currently rank 3 for bards was rank 2 before cheaters, last season was top 10 for bard and top 20 for rogue in trios 🙂 I'm not the best player in the world but i know what im doing lol

Also got voyager on all classes last wipe but barbarian bcuz i hate that class lol.

[peak crypt]

Imo solo rank is kinda meaningless. Case in point, me.

I mean top 10 is a huge commitment though, gj on that, dont want to discount that sort of effort.

[dense marten]

it definitely wasnt that hard last season tbh imo, but this season the grinds been a little ridiculous

Solo HR is spawnrush sim, kill players nearby or be prepared for the biggest third party fest in the middle/ sides of map.

[sly shell]

does charismatic performance work for bard?

[dense marten]

Yes, What are you trying to do?

[sly shell]

I just never get a perfect song even when I hit the middle parts, it is always great music even without it

[indigo cape]

bard is also no skill op

[dense marten]

Great music is perfect dw lol.

[indigo cape]

bard buff then swigood job

[sly shell]

oh got it, I thought it just would say perfect- thank you haha

[indigo cape]

doing 100+ dmg with a rapier per hit with crap gear is busted

[dense marten]

No way the guy who presses Sprint and Second wind on his 180 hp 75% pdr class is complaining about other melee classes becoming more viable 💀

[indigo cape]

play longsword, one of the only things that takes skill in the game

[dense marten]

I use the longsword lol brother its a fun weapon and yes it takes skill to parry people especially w/ latency but ur also using the worst weapon for a frontline fighter lmao

No shit you're gonna get rocked and split in half by a kris lock lol

[indigo cape]

i can tell you dont have a brain though, youre litterally fan boying off a league character

[dense marten]

bet you tried to parry him 💀 and what???

[indigo cape]

u have never felt a womans touch

[dense marten]

💀 brotherman you have deeper problems than krislock and bards

[indigo cape]

my point is, why does everything 2 shot and is fast as heck or has just as much pdr when they pop a skill as fighter yet dont take the plate - move speed and magic menalty

wizard 2 shots in mele with ignite

cleric and barb have skills that give 50% pdr

the game is unbalanced

[dense marten]

once again you show you have no clue how to build fighter- and wow so you're taking on the magic damage dealing class with your HEAVY PDR KIT WITHOUT MS you sir have no brain

[indigo cape]

you have your v1rginity still

[dense marten]

have you tried playing ranged and using cover? they exist for a reason 💀

[indigo cape]

being pigeonholed into slayer is dog

being pigeonholed into wearing dashing + barbuta+dark plate is dog

[red basin]

can you find cobalt ore in goblin caves?

[dense marten]

Literally who said you had to play slayer, you can win the fight as a plate fighter, well let me rephrase- A good plate fighter can play ranged and win the 1v1

[indigo cape]

id clap u kid

[dense marten]

yes

[indigo cape]

v1rgin ass league fanboy

a plate fighter isnt going to beat a warlock with spells if same skill level

[dense marten]

bruh what are you even saying??

[indigo cape]

you are a v1rgin is what i said

[velvet shard]

Please chill 🙏

[indigo cape]

you cant even acknowledge that warlock is overtuned and has been getting buffed contstantly

[dense marten]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[dense marten]

Bro I literally said warlock is very strong you're blind and ignorant 💀

[indigo cape]

because the devs listen to people like onepeg who stream. the devs constantly pander to streamers because they desperately are trying to not have the game die

yeah it needs a nerf. right along with overheal and ignite

[velvet shard]

If you had any level of MDR as a fighter warlock is fightable just as soon as you land a crossbow shot you have to push

[indigo cape]

as well as bard buffs/ shreik of weakness

[indigo cape]

pigeon holeing you into stacking MDR on every peice of gear you wear isnt good balance

[indigo cape]

your profile pic suites u

[velvet shard]

Please refrain from just trying to insult people it’s not very helpful

[indigo cape]

how is that an insult

you gonna warn that guy for insulting me

or selective application of the rules ebcause youre biased

trash game

trash mods, trash balance

ban me idgaf CL0WNS

[velvet shard]

Homie I’m not at mod, you’re not a victim I’m just asking you to not be mean

[indigo cape]

youre a cl0wn pretending to be a mod. holy hell what kind of loser do you have to be to send messages out like youre an automated bot

now go cry to mod to ban me

soy cl0wn

[velvet shard]

No I just think it would be a good thing for everyone to treat people nicely

[indigo cape]

who cares what you think?

soy asf

[dense marten]

Traps do not give more ap beyond hitting them once and the ap you get is not a changer at all compared to what i thought it was.

[velvet shard]

And what do you accomplish by trying to insult me? Does it make you feel good? Do you just need an outlet?

[fading plinth]

F

[indigo cape]

nah i like to call out cl0wns

[opal breach]

Most Normal dad enjoyer

[abstract siren]

Since when does hellfire pass through walls

[brisk lava]

Since warlock was released lul

[abstract siren]

Like full walls, not doors

[prisma stream]

Since day 1

[velvet shard]

Yeah like the whole time

[abstract siren]

Only mildly broken

[indigo cape]

warlock overtuned

[brisk lava]

Hellfire travels through the entire map

[prisma stream]

Not broke at all it’s louder than a sonic boom

[brisk lava]

How is that broken it moves as slow as molasses that you can hear from a mile

[prisma stream]

And I’m the number one warlock hater so believe me when I say hellfire ain’t broken

[brisk lava]

Mans probably playing with no audio died to a random hellfire

[velvet shard]

Dude watch out it’s gonna get you in like 8 years if you don’t move a few steps to the side

[prisma stream]

There’s still a good chance to dodge hellfire even if u disconnect your headset and turn off your monitor tbh

[dense marten]

lol okay there is no way, theres now a THIRD rogue on the leaderboard for duos at demigod. I looked at the LB literally last night and this guy was nowhere on it theres actually 0 shot

what is the secret brother im lost???

[velvet shard]

One thing that still makes me laugh is when warlock first came out I launched a hellfire on crypts I saw I got a kill like 5 minutes later on the top right

[fallow coral]

does anybody else has this quest bug, where i turn in the items and completed quest but it still says i did not complete it.

[faint rain]

is it new that runestone gloves say druid on them?

[velvet shard]

Nope they’ve said that since they were added

[red cipher]

how to use evil eye on warlock?

[faint rain]

interesting

[velvet shard]

Wait for them to put it back in

[red cipher]

so i just cant use it but i can cast it?

[velvet shard]

Yeah unfortunately

[velvet shard]

There was a glitch involving eye and the bard invis song and eye is disabled until they have it fixed

[main laurel]

Surely XP gain is still bugged, I'm getting more xp for dying than killing a ton of mobs, filling my inventory, and extracting in HR GC

[lilac prairie]

Best way to get xp?

[minor peak]

play the game 😉

[chilly pike]

@dense marten any update on the trap disarming thing?

[dense marten]

yeah doesnt work at all, you get 2 ap for disarming a trap lol. and only gives it to you for the first time you do so

def not worth the 200ish gold i paid bringing them into raids lol

[chilly pike]

rip, figured but thanks for doing that for science

[near vapor]

Likely hard funnelling

[peak crypt]

I’m pretty sure that you dont get any exp from items or extracting. Just breaking stuff, opening chests, and killing mobs.

[plush cedar]

A person in need for trio join party 24

[gusty kindle]

getting stuck between mobs in this game makes me want to rip my ass off

[twin spear]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Experience
this shows all sources of EXP gain

[sacred ibex]

best way to build rogue in solo?

[mellow mortar]

I hope they fix it soon, i loved evil eye lol. Honestly best spell on warlock for sheer meme factor

[shut wraith]

Would love for fighter to have a bad longsword at the squire plz :C

[real basalt]

Goblin Caves back to 7 plz

[fading seal]

fr i never see anyone anymore

[twin spear]

it depends but
my personal build as a rogue main
Perks: Poisoned Weapon, Jokester, Dagger Mastery, Creep
Skills: Rupture, CutThroat
I usually use kris dagger (but its mostly preference)

[sacred ibex]

thank you

[twin spear]

creep isnt needed and you can change it with whatever you want

[sacred ibex]

I haven't tried creep but will try it now

[twin spear]

not making noise as a rogue to make sure that people dont know your near is really nice

[sacred ibex]

yea

I've been running an invis build and have found it to be useful towards pvp since I've been ranking up

[merry garden]

Guys is there any way to change ur ingame mic?

[sacred ibex]

and the build u mentioned is a lot better

[rocky lagoon]

anyone know an easy way to kill a wendingo?

[twin spear]

invis ambush build is fine but you get like 1 good sneak attack then your kinda useless after

[normal flame]

You can cheese wendis on a lot of ledges, especially in pyramid room

[sacred ibex]

exactly

[twin spear]

get on top on something where it cant reach you
or bait the charge attack from it and side step it then get hits on it after

[normal flame]

does cave troll still spawn? i can only seem to find the cyclops

papa needs his troll hide fr fr

[twin spear]

2 layouts for cave troll and 2 for cyclops

[drifting pier]

Lol idk why yall are complaing about 5, I just had 2 games where I wiped the loddy minus a guy. Its not hard to find ppl

[normal flame]

anyone got gobby cave maps? tryna plan my runs

[twin spear]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/GoblinCave-01-N
there are 4 variations of GC

[twin spear]

forget that its not updated yet

[echo sparrow]

is it the mimic tooth quest?

[normal flame]

bless anyways

[summer briar]

what quest unlocks crafing gold bags?

[twin spear]

not sure if you can get enough affinity but it would be leathersmith quests
might have to wait for more quests (weekly released)

[summer briar]

not treasurer

[twin spear]

it was leathersmith before

[summer briar]

okay ty

[minor vector]

So me and my two buddies just keep getting railed over and over again in team fights, any tips its gonna tear us appart.

[twin spear]

what classes do you play

[normal flame]

you only have to get to lvl 2 leathersmith to unlock gold bags, but you need 1 troll pelt and 4 wolf pelt to make em

[violet drift]

Imma be honest the monster aggro mechanics in this game are kinda dog water. I ran through 3 rooms with this ranger chasing me. At no point did the monsters turn around and fight the archer they just focused me which is kinda dumb because i was further away than the archer was to them.

[minor vector]

Cleric, Warlock, and fighter

[fallow coral]

yes but is fixed now

[echo sparrow]

what actually happened is, you needed to kill 7 mimics as well, it scrolled down

[fallow coral]

ah okay

[versed spoke]

is there people that have walls on this game?

[echo sparrow]

there are unfortunately people who have cheats yes

[versed spoke]

i just went invis and got stabbed in the face being rushed but they never saw me

[echo sparrow]

what class?

[versed spoke]

it was a fighter he went around the corner and straight up knew where i was

[echo sparrow]

you can see rogues invis now. its more of a shimmer

[river harness]

when are they going to remove the +1 all for armor

[versed spoke]

even if they dont move?

[echo sparrow]

i think you can still see them if they dont move. it has a weird effect

[minor vector]

Also how do you balance having to fight over treasure with fighting mobs? My group and I are constantly having to rush for treasure what system do you use?

[echo sparrow]

best thing to do is to watch the kill cam and see what they saw

[versed spoke]

i dont get the point of a invis if u can see them

[twin spear]

cleric needs to focus on supporting the fighter making sure fighter is always full strength
make sure to gives buffs to warlock on at the beginning of fight since warlock can heal itself and keep itself alive
fighter (if heavy armor) needs to keep the enemy frontline busy while warlock kills backline (ranger/wizards)
fighter (if slayer) should to to use speed to dodge attacks and get damage in while trying to focus backline

[versed spoke]

i watched it and there was no possible way he couldve known i was around the corner

[echo sparrow]

invis was too strong, they recently changed it to be more of a shimmer effect than full invis. id have to see the clip in this context

[twin spear]

you cant really see them (in the dark its literally impossible to see)
but its essentially halo active camo when a rogue moves
the shimmer is only while moving when invis

[muted brook]

Heyo just a quick question yall, is the gold chest (the item that holds gold) a unique rarity item or just a common? wondering cus i wanna know if should build luck yo maximize chances of the drop

[versed spoke]

yeah i was sitting in the dark around the corner and went invis and they didnt see me or hear me at all and rushed me and killed me

[twin spear]

was it a ranger (chase can show recent footsteps)
also was it the only dark spot in the vicinity

[versed spoke]

it was a fighter

[river harness]

do you think an item that expensive would be common? if you search for it in the market you'll see it is unique

[twin spear]

its unique rarity and only comes from gold hoards (might be specific to inferno gold hoards but not entirely sure)

[muted brook]

Not at pc rn hence the question, thanks for the info have a good one!

[river harness]

oh okay

[river harness]

the easiest way would probably going to frozen caves for it

[versed spoke]

i was just wondering if there is cheaters with walls on here

[copper cobalt]

does the shadow touch warlock perk healing get increased by physical or magical heal ? or both?

[muted brook]

👍

[twin spear]

it has 0 scaling at all
its always a flat 3 heal

[copper cobalt]

oh

[violet drift]

Rogues only shimmer while moving in stealth and its not noticable in the dark

[copper cobalt]

thats not true though coz it heals me for 4 sometimes

[versed spoke]

he mustve had walls then

[twin spear]

no its just that the number rounds up (you can have decimal health it just doesnt display it)

[copper cobalt]

alright

[broken saddle]

Dear ironmace, please add a "Active quests" button viewable in the character screen, on the left side from the "Open details" button

[pallid notch]

3.6 with vampirism

Vamp is the only way to increase it though

[warm tendon]

Do you think anything will be done about the solo bossing experience? I get griefed pretty much every game. It's not fun at all. I've literally had games where after the boss dies both doors open and 2 players come running in from each door. How am I supposed to win that?

[sullen fossil]

yeah should prob add a short grace period or something

[scarlet bronze]

nah, if there were bosses on crypts first floor it would be the same. is the core of the gameplay, do pve brainlessly and get killed by pvp because of that. Attempting bosses is high risk as it should be

[sullen fossil]

whats brainless about it

[scarlet bronze]

you engage with a boss when there are people alive and ways of entering the room

[sullen fossil]

so bosses are only to be engaged when everyone else is dead? sounds pretty stupid

[warm tendon]

It's too easy on the attackers side, the defender is literally in a pit with no way to get out.

[twin spear]

i think he means more that in crypts soloing a boss is almost impossible cause you get a 3 man to fight after
instead of a pvp fight vs other solos for the loot
which would only be fixed by all queue sizes on all maps (planned to happen soon anyway)

[scarlet bronze]

kill 2 or 3 players then attempt the boss in GC. i

[sullen fossil]

that doesnt solve anything

and why put a killcount requirement for bossing ur not making much sense

just give people whove killed a boss some grace period or ability to reset their situation so they can continue to pvp on an even ground. maybe keep doors closed for a little longer and add more exits or something

[scarlet bronze]

For the same reason waiting enemies to engage in pve is a good way to win the pvp battle

[twin spear]

i think that could be a good idea
if boss is killed then the doors to the room should be temporarily locked for 20 seconds (like wizard magic lock spell)

[scarlet bronze]

Playing around pve to win the pvp fights are core to the game. being secure at killing bosses? then also give a grace period when killing a centaur, or a exlite axeman skeleton for that matter

[warm tendon]

Just died again to a griefer, how is this valid, they just sit at the door for 4 minutes waiting for me to finish the boss. How can you play like that?

[scarlet bronze]

Do not atempt the bosses when there are people alive? if any pvp encounter is gonna kill you, then attempting bosses might not be that wise. also, if you kill the boss and they kill you, that is not griefing. Griefing is when they kill you when you are at it and they dont even loot you after that

[warm tendon]

They grief me from getting to the pile. Even if I win the fight there is no time left to loot, that's a grief in my book.

[scarlet bronze]

Then is not grief. They are risking getting your loot and getting access to the loot pile

they are not doing it to troll, they are doing it becase a)they like loot, yours the pile and the booss. b)Probably they like pvp

[warm tendon]

I get why they do it, greed obviously. It's just a loser strategy in my book.

[scarlet bronze]

probably your strategy is the loser one since you end up getting killed and they end up with your loot. That is why is so common to not attempt gc bosses unless you are a rogue, because they are gonna run you down after

[warm tendon]

I think my game style is very honorable if it's a wise war strategy probably not.

[scarlet bronze]

yeah i get your point, nobody tries to play fair in this game. Betrayals and teaming are the norm in gc

[warm tendon]

I try to play fair, I'm friendly 95% of my games. I give people time to heal and buff before fights. Yada Yada

Fun fact, barbarians betray you the most.

[twin spear]

thats a lie bards are rats

[patent breach]

I wish I could watch a DND yt vid and it's just a regular game where the ytber dies to a warlock than turns there pc off

[warm tendon]

I can say with a straight face that I have never betrayed a friendly. I play bard too, might switch to it in a bit to do some PvP.

[twin spear]

warlocks really arent that hard to play around
and i main rogue

[warm tendon]

You should have watched me this weekend, was doing solos quests in trios, played 55 games, still have not completed my quest. Only 5 teams over the entire weekend where friendly to me.

[wild pilot]

How long does it take for escapes to open in ice mountains?

[twin spear]

usually about half way
but the raft is every 3 minutes

[solar sage]

Is it just me or is bard/cleric absolutely unbeatable in HR?

[warm tendon]

Depends I believe the can start opening after about 3-4 minutes.

[wild pilot]

hm okay, do they all open or is it random?

[twin spear]

random
but they all open at some point

[minor vector]

Wizards seem kinda over powered.

[warm tendon]

That's just you, people can kite clerics forever. Cleric is super weak in solos if you ask me. Bard is pretty strong though.

[wild pilot]

okc ool

[twin spear]

cleric is strong if they have smite (let that do on cooldown and they cant do that much but are fairly balanced)

[dusty lotus]

Do merchants ever sell anything more than grey items?

[solar sage]

No no I was talking about duos,cleric and bard together seems like a legit bossfight

[solar sage]

Yes,but ya need to gain reputation from them!!!

[twin spear]

yeah you have to get affinity up by doing quests for them

[dusty lotus]

Oh huh, I got some with a few but they still only sell greys

[warm tendon]

Cleric and Bard can be a strong team comp yes.

They lack magic resist tho, a team with a wizard will most likely shred them.

[solar sage]

I hit the cleric 4 times,one of those hits was a BOC with a chris dagger,then the bard hit me once with a crossy and once with a rapier and I was dead,cleric full healed in 5 seconds

[barren ingot]

Bard cleric? Sounds terrible

[tardy sandal]

Dude why do people think bard cleric is good, I play that comp and any ranged focus comp rails us

[warm tendon]

Doesn't have to be, cleric front lines in pvp and bard in pve, think that can work really well.

[warm tendon]

This is every true.

[barren ingot]

It’s not good though. Not even close to being a good comp

[tardy sandal]

Yup it’s a very mid comp

[barren ingot]

And you vs ranged now what? That bard ain’t doing shit

[twin spear]

i dont think people realize that all team comps have strengths and weaknesses

[solar sage]

Cleric has always been A tier at least.Its essential to every comp in trios,being the only real healer,and in solos it has been quite effective because of the shit gobo caves layout

[tardy sandal]

This is about duos though

[warm tendon]

If they focus the cleric bard can deal free damage with a crossbow or survival bow.

[barren ingot]

Yep and some comps are just straight trash. Just like cleric and bard

[barren ingot]

Wouldn’t you rather a fighter at that point?

[tardy sandal]

Imagine if you focused the bard though and ignored the slow ah cleric

[warm tendon]

Probably yes.

[solar sage]

Cleric is still super strong in duos as well,get a cleric+any ranged/melee warrior and ya got a 7/10 comp

[tardy sandal]

7/10 in this meta? Absolutely awful

[wild pilot]

how do you kill a wendigo

[solar sage]

Blud the meta is all about speed and damage,cleric lack the speed,but they got plenty of damage

[barren ingot]

This guy has 0 clue what he’s taking about

[tardy sandal]

Stab the blue orb in its abdomen like 6 times

[warm tendon]

Stab him in the blue spot or headshot them about 20-30 times.

[tardy sandal]

Kinda hard to deal damage if people keep distance

[solar sage]

My brother in christ im an ex top 100 warlock,I think I know quite a bit about the game at this point

Cleric has always been lurking in the meta,warlock has been strong for way too long,Wizard was weak untill now and rogue is finally ok

[barren ingot]

Top 100 at the end of the season when game is dead. That explains a lot

[solar sage]

Month 1 of the pre season chief,cry some more

[rocky lagoon]

does gc no longer spawn red portals?

[tardy sandal]

Top 100 in a class is not a big deal, theirs solos, duos, and trios and you are only competing in a single class

[solar sage]

GC never spawned reds?

[warm tendon]

Did they ever?

[rocky lagoon]

oh I thought they did before

[barren ingot]

For a top 100 you’re giving some bad advice “chief”

[solar sage]

No,you're probably thinking of Ruins

[tardy sandal]

So that means I’m a top 100 cleric too then

[solar sage]

Blud let the smart people talk you aint making your case

[barren ingot]

You are clueless

[solar sage]

Oh really?Neat!
So you probably know about the state of cleric then,so in your opinion,does it need a nerf?

[warm tendon]

Don't nerf cleric please

[tardy sandal]

Probably in some aspect in trios but only after spell overload is removed and warlocks stop one shotting

[solar sage]

I think it needss rebalances in some way,atm it seems overtuned

[warm tendon]

In what way?

[solar sage]

Clerics are the one one shotting atm,us warlocks are constrained to the bounds of the chris dagger atm,so sadly no one shots

[unreal obsidian]

slayer fighter or plate?

[solar sage]

Value,it has so much value in team fights

[solar sage]

Both are viable atm,just pick your favorite tbh

[warm tendon]

Isn't that the roll of a support class?

[barren ingot]

Slayer

[tardy sandal]

How are you even getting one shot by a cleric unless they have a warmaul and if you are getting head shot by sweet spot war maul thats another problem to be adressed

[warm tendon]

Depends on your play style, but probably slayer right now.

[solar sage]

Bard or warlocks have way less value even thought they're meant to be support

[warm tendon]

Bard is pretty good, warlock I do not see as a support class.

[solar sage]

I mean the origin of warlock was meant to be a buffer,he has stuff like bloodstained blade,power of sacrifice etc,but its buffs are so bad we use em offensively lmaooo

[barren ingot]

One shots? Now I know you’re absolutely clueless. Stop giving people bad advice dude

[solar sage]

Warlock is OP in solos,but absolute trash in any team sizes

[solar sage]

Warmaul smite +all attribuse X2,divine protection for invisibility and here ya go

[tardy sandal]

Why tf are you meleeing a cleric with a warmaul

[barren ingot]

If you get headshot by a warmaul you deserve to die at that point because you have the reaction of a snail

[twin spear]

cleric can easily oneshot with a smite build

[tardy sandal]

Demon form plate warlock begs to differ

[solar sage]

Cuz if I stay away I get divine striked into next years calandar

[warm tendon]

Something else, when will the quests be fixed?

[tardy sandal]

Every class can easily one shot if you stand still and let them hit you in the head with every buff under the sun

[solar sage]

Plate lock is absolute trash,fighter but worse,and I must admit I never saw a demon form warlock yet this patch so I cant comment on its power

[tardy sandal]

So just dodge and land curses and shut doors to heal up when you do get hit

[tardy sandal]

It is literally the strongest frontline right now in this meta you hit max pdr and mdr with 25 dmg per hit and 250 health in demon form while life stealing…

[quick pike]

demon form is quite nutty now that they can heal consistently while in demon form to keep it up the entire fight.

[warm tendon]

To add to it, demon form is not even at it's strongest right now as the E ability doesn't deal the magical damage it says on the label.

[tardy sandal]

Clerics only have 4 holy strikes, just wait for them to use them all and stop them from resting by entering their room whenever they tru to

[solar sage]

Thats odd, I played a bunch of duos, never saw one,ill try to find some to see if its really that good

[tardy sandal]

Talking about trios

[solar sage]

Oh, never played trios this patch,too much buffballs

[tough ingot]

plz nerf warlock im getting 2 taped by greys as a full kit rouge

[solar sage]

Yeah im a lock main and warlock needs a nerf to its melee damage potential

[warm tendon]

Run away, that's not a fight you want to take or landmine them. That way it's pretty much a win regardless.

[cyan falcon]

so u guys are just cool w people teaming in every single solo game even tho theres only 5 players

[warm tendon]

I'm cool with being friendly but not cool with teamers.

[subtle heart]

Where is ore?

[cyan falcon]

thats me too, i say we dont have to fight since theres 2 of them then they just chase me

if it was every now and then thats cool, but its almost every match at this point

[warm tendon]

Well there's something to be said, I do a lot of bossing and quite often a friendly comes in and loots the pile with me, then someone walks in on us all buffed up ready to murder. At that point the friendly and I will fight together.

[graceful storm]

does anyone know if warlock 'buffs' like power of sacrifice/bloodstained blade are affected by buff or debuff duration

[cyan falcon]

okay well thats not at all what happens, they just always run in groups of two and initiate fights everytime since its 2v1

[twin spear]

yes but only when used on yourself

[warm tendon]

Buff durations will prolong the duration but only on yourself, if you cast it on a team mate their buff duration will determine how long it lasts for them.

[twin spear]

no debuff duration is how much a debuff is shortened on you has nothing to do with the enemy

[warm tendon]

Yes you're right my bad, they are debuffs and not buffs.

[warm tendon]

Yeah that's just sad, you should report them if you get the chance.

[graceful storm]

ah okay I didnt know it worked exactly like that

[cyan falcon]

thats what im saying, i report them everytime but nothing has ever happened. ironmace literally doesnt care at all and lets people keep teaming

[twin spear]

it has to be preteaming to get them banned

[warm tendon]

Yes it must be pre-teaming although organic teaming with the intent to run down some people should also be banable.

[cyan falcon]

exactly, theyre just ruining the game at this point

[summer briar]

are cypts bosses easier in normals?

[twin spear]

yes

[warm tendon]

That I do not agree on, I play on EU, have played over 1500 hours and actual pre-teamers I've only seen a handful of times.

[graceful storm]

and theres really no way to prove people are pre teaming, so teaming is pretty much okay to do with their current rules which is kind of F'd up

[summer briar]

cool I need some pro players to help me learn how to do bosses but LFG seems especialy sweaty today

[twin spear]

there is backend things they do (like seeing if the same people are in the same game all the time and not dealing damage to one another ever)

[warm tendon]

Yes, the devs definitively care it's just costly and annoying to deal with.

[wild pilot]

how many people can use an escape in ice mountain?

[graceful storm]

i do like the idea of being able to do spontaneous stuff in game with voip but at the same time I think if they just said 0 teaming for any reason it would make banning them so much easier and consistent

[twin spear]

all staircases are 1 person
i believe the raft is as many as possible

[warm tendon]

One player can go through, the rafts and elevators can be used by multiple people at once.

[wild pilot]

ohh okay

[muted ginkgo]

did the ore spawn change?

[warm tendon]

The locations did not change as far as I'm aware but there is far less of it now and it's random, one game you find a copper ore on a certain spot, next game that spot might have a cobalt ore spawn.

[muted ginkgo]

cause ive been to some spots that just dont have anything? like right away so there was no chance someone got to it fisrt ya know

[warm tendon]

The ore is there just not as much as before.

[dense tree]

is there an ETA on the druid being added?

it sounds dope so I'm looking forward to that

[spiral scarab]

new exit shit where my portals

[fallow coral]

anybody know the best way to get rusty broken swords?

[twin spear]

skeleton swordsman and skeleton footman both drop it

[rocky lagoon]

yo someone just did 100 dmg in a single holy strike???

[high delta]

Also, I swear some people confuse friendliness with teaming. Earlier today o had a match where circle cornered me (warlock), a rogue and a barb. Each from its own corner, quick glance and there it is, 2 portal and last one about to come I start to open one after a quick dance with rogue and reasoning he should take the other one. Barb comes in screaming on VOIP "teamersssss" I panick BoC and rogue stabs him 2 times in the back. We then Look at each other, he didn't hit me, so he took his portal and I took mine. Friendliness is not teaming

[twin spear]

exactly

[copper cobalt]

does warlock shadow touch 3 magical dmg get boosted from magic dmg stats?

[twin spear]

no

[copper cobalt]

k so its all independent

[opaque robin]

Has anyone found prison A or is that still broken?

[warm tendon]

It's not broken, it is the middle right room on this map variant of GC; https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/GoblinCave-01-HR

[tawny torrent]

how many players total in duo frost caverns?

[near lotus]

Have the devs said their thoughts on the current movement speed Throwables meta?

[dire mesa]

ok guys i'll make it pretty simple. If you don't take a shower you are not washed, if you do however, you are washed.

[brazen grove]

they have to finally fix this ranking system and go away from this "you loot BiS gear set you get -" only points for valuables LOL

[twin spear]

looting players doesnt give AP
it needs to be a Looted state item to give AP

[brazen grove]

no shit

[twin spear]

then what are you talking about
you get +AP for looting gear from the dungeon

[worn storm]

For you will the golden key cost more ?

[twin spear]

what?

[brazen grove]

i was rank one cleric in duos for 3 days didnt play much rank 2 right now, but honestly i just looted treasure didnt took any equipment even if looted because of insane high ap costs i just want to play in a full lobby and play a normal game

not bum rush treasures for POINTS

[twin spear]

yeah they are fixing the AP cost very soon
it has nothing to do with gear or treasure

[brazen grove]

it does because the rank means nothing about actually playing the game

just looting treasures and thats it for months last season same thing

[twin spear]

entry fee is too high right now
it has nothing to do with what you loot whether it be gear or treasure it still gives AP
the problem is that exemplay entry fee is -1500

[brazen grove]

but gear gives much less treasures still highest points by FAR for like 3 months

[twin spear]

not necessarily
certain treasure gives more and certian gear gives more its all based on rarity

[brazen grove]

what are you talking about ? treasures give highest points by far there is no arguing about that

[sinful holly]

The entire point of the game is to loot treasure.........gear is the means to get that treasure

[twin spear]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Adventure_Rank
you are just wrong
treasure gives AP based on its value
gear gives AP based on rarity and then is multiplied by number of slots the piece of gear takes up

[opaque robin]

the quest says howling crypts =/

[warm tendon]

In that case I don't know.

[brazen grove]

so? i can extract with full looted blue and purple equipment and still get less points when i just extract with green/blue treasure

[twin spear]

which quest

[brazen grove]

and you said it yourself treasure gives points on value and per stack

[opaque robin]

the woodsman 3rd quest "fortunes guidance"

[brazen grove]

it even says that in the wiki and treasure is much more gold from merchant anyway

[opaque robin]

"Explore 'Prisons A' location 0/1
-Dungeon Type : The Howling Crpyt
-Must Escape"

[twin spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgGnR3iiLOI&t=6s

[opaque robin]

Yeah that is "prisons B"

oh i see i had to rewind video some so its only on one map

[cyan falcon]

then you’re delusional or run from everyone.

[brazen grove]

its only a problem on eu when you play at 4 am then sometimes you get multiple teams with weird names

that are pre teaming but anyone that reached blue rank gets dead lobbies anyway like duos is max 6 people sometimes 4 sometimes only me and my mate

[wet crystal]

how much more exp do you get in high roller vs normals if you are focused on leveling up?

[brazen grove]

Junk is equivalent to rarity 0 and therefore gives 0 AP
Unique is equivalent to rarity 7 and therefore gives 7 AP
Treasures give even more AP as they are also in the Treasure section

AP granted is equal to the gold worth of the Treasure in your inventory upon extraction

Weapons and Armor give 1 AP per 1 gold they sell for
Which is 1 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 10 | 20 | 30 AP, multiplied by the number of slots the item takes up

straight copied if you want to flex wiki links do it right

treasure is much more gold worth thus gives more points 2 x 2 blue item is 24 and if you have 4 x 1 blue treasure is 16 PLUS gold value or 2x 2 blue treasure is 8 PLUS gold value

but yeah the ap system isnt about looting treasure for months now

people are not playing alts because they can only loot treasure on demi last season too right

[twin spear]

you presented me with the facts i sent you, that you somehow ended up misreading
im not going back and forth
treasure is worth its value ONLY
gear is worth its RARITY and SLOT size
also 4x4 blue is 16 slots or 6 times 16 or 96 AP

[hybrid bear]

is there more ore in HR lvls compared to normal?

[brazen grove]

i meant 2x2 blue my bad still you get only the value from gold listed above so 6 per blue slot and treasure is much more than 6 per blue slot

[twin spear]

treasure doesnt get the slot bonus

[brazen grove]

it does its even listed in the wiki

bro what the fck are you talking about you get 4 per blue PLUS gold value

i even copied it out from the wiki for you

[twin spear]

you are reading it wrong
treasure gets rarity AP but not slot AP

[brazen grove]

thats what i wrote in my example 4x 1 blue is 16 plus gold value and 2 x 2 blue treasure is 8 PLUS gold value

[twin spear]

where do you see that blue treasure is 8 for rarity

[brazen grove]

its 4 per blue

[twin spear]

yeah 4 per blue treasure even if its a 2x2

[brazen grove]

Junk is equivalent to rarity 0 and therefore gives 0 AP
Unique is equivalent to rarity 7 and therefore gives 7 AP
Treasures give even more AP as they are also in the Treasure section

AP granted is equal to the gold worth of the Treasure in your inventory upon extraction

a 2x2 are 2 items for 4 slots and 4 x1 are 4 items per 4 slots

4x1 is worht more gold and more flat AP so you want the most smallest treasure for max points its that way for months and everybody that grinds rank knows that

[twin spear]

im not disagreeing with you that small treasures are better
but thats only really with purple and up
gear (blue or up) 9 times out of 10 beats blue and down treasure

[brazen grove]

so you are saying blue gear equals blue treasure?

[wild elbow]

anyone else having lags ?

[narrow bane]

who the fuck designed the backstep ability on ranger this gotta be a meme right? xD

[peak crypt]

Blue gear is 6 ap per slot. Blue treasure is 6 ap + sell value of the treasure

[chrome elk]

when do we get the free trial codes for our friends?

[twin spear]

gear 6 per slot
treasure 4 plus value

[twin spear]

you have them have to log into the website to get it

[peak crypt]

Ty for correcting. Still treasure is more ap in general.

[twin spear]

no i meant to say under blue

[brazen grove]

thats what i was trying to say

[brave sparrow]

Are the stats bugged? Its saying I have 65 deaths on rogue in GC HR Solo but my rogue is level 5 and ive barely played even 10 games

[dry silo]

might be lifetime

[spice gyro]

anyone having trouble logging in character selection?

[dry silo]

no

[iron cipher]

yes, theres an issue

[ebon palm]

new rogue nerf, every time you die, you actually die 5 times

[hallow hawk]

Wizard Nerf

[lyric moon]

Does anybody know if the quests from the beginning of wipe are gonna be removed?

[celest merlin]

why does chain lightning go through walls to hit ppl

[fading drum]

this game is cheater heaven lol

[solar sage]

Goblin caves is literally a slot machine

"Annnnd bingo you spawned in the center room between 2 people,you are instantly dead!say bye to your kit"

[wild jay]

Yup get spawn rushed by teamers or just end up teaming with them real great gameplay experience 🥱

[fading drum]

bring back ruins lol

[solar sage]

Because people are sick of playing the same map

Bro you're a cleric,if they sprint at you just smite em

[wet crystal]

if you do anything other than pound a cleric from range, then you are stupid. If they are plate, they are probably the single slowest class in the game, and if not, they fall over.

[solar sage]

This game has no skill ceiling whatsoever its really weird

Like how you start with the class is exactly how you will be after 500 hours of it.The only thing that changes is your gear

[wild jay]

BAN TEAMING

[solar sage]

I started with Warlock the playtest it came out,the only thing that changed is the meta.They'res not really a way to do big outplay moments,you just bash stats

[solar sage]

Agreed

Listen bro,things are just like that,Warlock will always loose to a ranger,cleric will always loose to a ranger,a fighter will always loose to a warlock and you will always loose to PDR fighters

[dusty lotus]

I know starting as a rogue is supposed to be hard, but man, I'm shocked at how everyone I encounter can outrun me while also wearing thick armor, and I go down in 2 hits tops

[solar sage]

The big problem with warlock is that you 2 tap everything,but everything 2 taps you,and your range is innexistent,but that will change with multiclassing

[dusty lotus]

Hell I finally got the jump on a wizard and had ambush+rupture from hide, got him 3 times and he turned around and 2 tapped me with his staff lol

[sharp void]

PLEASE fix the rubber banding

[wet crystal]

base wizard kit too strong, plz nerf

[silent skiff]

IS THE GOBO CAVES THE ONLY SPOT FOR GIANT SPIDERS NOW?

[fast heart]

does +additional mag dmg or +Tru mag dmg affect poison weapon on rouge?

[median kindle]

yeah it does

what is the fastest way to level? Is it just the same as farming AP?

[bright garnet]

@broken basin GET OWNED!

[dusty lotus]

I guess one thing I dont understand is how I can have rupture, hide, and ambush, stab a cloth wearing class clean in the back, hit them again, and by the time I swing a 3rd time they can just hit me twice and kill me from full HP. What exactly am I doing wrong?

[dry silo]

WHY TF ARE BOLA GOBLINS SO TANKY

[dusty lotus]

Thats normal then? I can get the jump on someone with my buffs up and it doesnt matter if they manage to hit me back?

It just feels really rough cause so far I havent been able to outrun anyone at all, so it feels like I have to fight/ambush. Even classes I thought were slow will use some sort of buff and immediately catch up to me with my weapons sheathed

[silent skiff]

where can i find giant spiders besides gobo caves?

[wet crystal]

do you get more exp in highroller, and if so how much more?

[bright garnet]

@hybrid spear so bad lmao

[dusty lotus]

I guess I should switch classes, but man, I really wanted rogue to work

[solar sage]

The only viable classes will always be warlock,cleric and fighter

Since those are apparently the devs chosen

[polar talon]

question for you all, if i reach Demigod but then i die alot and rollback at lets say voyager at the end of the season do i still have examplar and demigod rewards? because i once have been demigod

[loud falcon]

what are launch options in dark and darker how do I show my fps?

[violet furnace]

Could we get a Search by class in the market place so we don't gotta see so many different items and don't gotta limit our choices so much when searching? (ALSO what if we could search exact stat numbers? this isn't as important or maybe good for the game tho.)

[fervent anvil]

Mmmm speed

[mental flume]

Nope, as far as last season was concerned at least, rewards were given based on your final rank at the end of the season

[loud basin]

i got like 10k in gold can i buy some gold coin bags from someone (like the big sac)

[hard thicket]

Im LF other juicers

Im super geared, no one geared to play trios with

[loud basin]

can i join u (how geared we talkin)

[hard thicket]

Like +15 add/true min or equivalent for class/build

[hard thicket]

like 6-10k kits

[loud basin]

my set is like 10k

[hard thicket]

party 61

[loud basin]

u got a third

[hard thicket]

maybe, hes playing fhagnite tho

[jaunty grail]

Alright why havent the devs made it easier for magic protecion pots yet this is awful

Like im only dying to wizards its no fun just seeing a class and your just dead in the water

[hard thicket]

DM me if you are super juiced like a 5-10k kit , we need a 3rd, parrty 61

[crisp umbra]

How does multi-classing work?

[hard thicket]

its nout out yet, go read it in the menu

[tribal light]

make second wind a double tap

[atomic rock]

Completely agree wizards are way to op

[hearty cove]

hey guys i have an idea, lets add MORE skeleton axe men to every map of the game. i really think this will enhance user experience

[atomic rock]

All I’m seeing is movement wizards with way to many spells and to much damage

[hearty cove]

maybe if we add MORE undodgeable enemies, more people will play the game!!!

[hard thicket]

LF 3rd Juicer Party 62

[cunning rain]

skill diff honestly

[paper mulch]

sidestep walking into them when they swing, you have to read which way they're swinging

I just wish the game wasn't such a grind atm, have just about no other notes

[hearty cove]

thank you

[subtle heart]

I work 50 hours a week, I wanna play DND but I don’t have 70 hours to level up a single class lmao they need to do something about that.

[paper mulch]

strong agree. tried to get some friends into the game and when they realize how long it took to even get 15 they decided not to buy. the grind is so bad now

[jaunty grail]

anyone have the new ore locations on GC

[fast mesa]

best website to see maps or quest guides and other info? fandom wiki is very old

[tranquil hornet]

Solos so dead now. Return players

[obsidian rain]

What is the population lookin like?

[primal plinth]

gobbo caves can spawn in longbridge, or in the center life room top or bottom

[ornate silo]

14-18k

[shadow whale]

hi @glad thunder can we delete spiders and spider pots from the game pls ty

on the real, I think a great idea to get rid of the throwable meta is to give a special throwables slot to players that they can only fill before they queue. Up to 4 throwables can be equipped per match. Ez way to stop people from filling their inventories.

(pls remove spiders)

[ebon stag]

Should have kept GC 5x5

Solos would be poppin

[wispy turret]

in US East you get solo goblin caves games instantly normal and HR

[oblique crypt]

guys i need help I can't find any cobalt in goblin caves. i've been in the goblin mines spawn so many times now and i only found a cobalt spawn once. Is it supposed to be somewhere else or am I just getting really really unlucky

[jaunty grail]

im having a hard time finding it too

[tardy sandal]

Extremely low spawn rate, whoever in iron mace decided this should probably get something checked out since craft-able armors is not that good

[sweet nymph]

Nerf wizards pls, stupidly op right now with 10 spells

[mighty sonnet]

nerf ranger nerf wizard fuck ranged and ranger meta iron mace pls stop hating us thank you -helen keler

[sweet nymph]

Shit ass game

[pallid yacht]

Explosion shouldn't go away upon caster's death.

[distant bay]

More like nerf warlock/wiz, ranger is not doing so well XD

[distant bay]

whats wrong with spooders

[opal patrol]

game just die for anyone else

[wooden coral]

Is there a positive to not having damage numbers when attacking players and mobs, like you would when attacking a target dummy?

[tranquil hornet]

7 players was ideal, but guys just love pve Skyrim

[main raven]

In my defense I didn't ask for this. Honestly I'm not sure who did

[ebon stag]

7 players was terrible. 3x3 is just terrible in general

The map doesn't feel at all like a dungeon. It feels like an arena.

At that point, just remove everything, throw everyone into a literal arena, and give the winner a loot pile

[wet leaf]

Realism?

[minor vector]

Is there any better coin storage then the small 50 bags my stash is getting a bit full.

[ebon stag]

Coin bag holds 1000. Coin chest holds 10000

[minor vector]

How do you get those?

[ebon stag]

Coin bag you get one from goblin merchant quest and can craft with leathersmith

Coin chest only come from loot piles (to my knowledge)

[minor vector]

Rad thanks for the tips.

[modest estuary]

Giant spiders, do they only spawn in spiders nest?

[ebon stag]

Only spawn in the in the one spider module, yes

[modest estuary]

also is there only one goblin caves map with that module

[ebon stag]

Yes, correct. Just play normals. Immediately leave the game if you get the wrong map. Restart until you get it.

[modest estuary]

the map website isnt updated yet though

[tranquil hornet]

5x5 was almost always empty. Fights only for the last portals

[modest estuary]

so i dont know which one it is

[ebon stag]

Fights were for the bosses bro

The Lego room with chance to spawn uniques

[wintry pendant]

hey can anyone here tell me how to make a report for a cheater the help section doesn't really help

[wild jay]

I tried to put a soulheart or whatever back on a body to revive it and it wouldnt let me, is this normal

[wintry pendant]

sir that is not how you revive someone

[hearty cove]

once you take it off you cant put it back on for cleric rez

[wooden coral]

maybe, but for it to be as unrealistic as it is i dont know if a few small numbers similar to a game like WoW would heavily impact the realism aspect of it

or maybe a way to toggle on and off damage numbers! for those who prioritize realism over qol

[modest estuary]

how many modules have centipede on it?

[main raven]

a lot honestly

I think every layout has at least two centipedes in it

[dusky spruce]

I'd like to see a mode with randomly generated layouts + no mini-map. Keep things feeling more roguey. Only question is how to handle the swarm.... maybe some kind of atmospheric/particle effect that happens in unsafe rooms that are about to be swarmed.

[undone token]

id like to refund option after launching the game once???

[subtle heart]

Can we have 5x5 gob caves back please ? 🙏 @zinc sparrow

[outer scaffold]

just use the system that ice cavern uses. you start slowly taking more damage over time until your collapse

[sweet nymph]

NERF WIZARDSSS

[dusky spruce]

Briefly considered that. I kinda don't like that system though. You end up just farming one area and extracting, and there isn't much incentive to move quicker once you've secured an exit.

[outer scaffold]

maybe spending too long in one area increases damage

[sweet nymph]

I think wizards need to be nerfed

[dusky spruce]

That's possible too, though i guess that ends up serving the same function as the swarm in a sideways manner. I just think being forced to move through an uncertain dungeon has a kind of appeal to it, and if you give an option to hang around there has to be some really nasty consequences.

Rogueys often do something like that where some really nasty monster(s) will spawn to run security on people who hang around too long.

I think if DaD AI was a bit more aggressive about killing cheesers, that would be a fun solution compared to the swarm. Like certain rooms torches change color, and if you remain in there you're going to get a nasty surprise.

[outer scaffold]

really the only problem with the swarm is that different spawn locations change how much you have to run, which is a bad RNG mechanic

[outer scaffold]

maybe skeletons could respawn and they could become nightmare mobs

[dusky spruce]

Well yea, but then RNG isn't really supposed to be fair. Adds a bit to the excitement when you get dealt a bad hand and have to scramble. I think its a lot better then it was a year ago though. Sometimes you'd spawn in crypt and have to run through five rooms just to reach the edge, and timer was shorter too.

Basically yea, nightmare level mobs that drop no loot and are there purely to give you hell.

[outer scaffold]

right, but the problem is when other players get significant advantages in positioning and loot capability based on RNG. it most certainly has been better since they increased swarm size though

[dusky spruce]

Well, if the map is truly random and hidden, somebody is always going to have an advantage but you'll never know who it is, and likely they won't know either.

It's just a pipe dream, anyhow. I know IM had trouble doing randomized modules in the past, but it sounds a lot more appealing to me if they go back and try again.

[past musk]

is prison A bug?

[wild jay]

Ah shit ok, noted thank you.

[outer scaffold]

notAnymore

[gritty flume]

Lyre just got bugged in my hand and covered my entire screen in a fight worth at least 2000g, craaaaazy

[covert mist]

why the hell can a barb in starter gear 2 tap me when I have 50% pdr and 130hp

[mystic kraken]

how do you play the game at the high levels? where is the high tier loot and how do you identify it?

is there a decent guide on how to amass large amounts of gold so you can buy more than 2-3 kits at a time?

[gritty flume]

I'd just watch streamers/ ask pointed questions on reddit. The meta is very deep, game full of knowledge checks and decision making noob traps

[covert mist]

or play slayer / barb and W+M1 your opponent

[rocky cypress]

so for the ranger does penetrating shot go through shields?

[oblique crypt]

no it doesn't

[rocky cypress]

awwwwww what

[oblique crypt]

but it does bypass some of the ar given from the shield

which means you can still do serious damage the pdr builds

[rocky cypress]

hmmm well thats okay I guess

[quiet cave]

how many active players usually at a time if anyone knows?

[oblique crypt]

i've heard it generally falls between 18k and 14k

which would put it on the steam top 100 list with just the players it has rn

[upper jungle]

Just had a curious thought, how many arrows does it takes to kill the troll or cyclope?

[oblique crypt]

do you mean like stock everything and normal cyclops

[upper jungle]

Yeah normal ones

Don't think you can deal enough arrow damage for the hell ones xD

[oblique crypt]

troll makes it a bit more complicated

yeah you can actually you just need a lot of arrows

[upper jungle]

Oh? How so .o.?

[upper jungle]

Neat! Do you know about how many stack that is 🤔?

[oblique crypt]

20 a stack last i checked, i'm still doing the calcs for you

[upper jungle]

Alright, thank you ^-^

[oblique crypt]

94 arrows to kill the cyclops with full base gear and no perks, that goes down drastically if get some perks and some white quality gear

[mystic steppe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swv4KL0_b_4&ab_channel=LagZone

[keen hatch]

anyone know where weakpoint on the wendigo is?

[oblique crypt]

basically don't do troll or cyclops as a naked ranger. instead bring atleast some basic gear that increases strength bonus and frankly a longbow

[mystic steppe]

stomach

[oblique crypt]

the blue heart on the chest

[keen hatch]

tyvm

[mystic steppe]

yup

[upper jungle]

Neat! Thank you! Might try it for the laugh ^^ and is that for normal or hell ones?

[oblique crypt]

this is for the normal ones assuming point blank, all headshots, and no misses

[upper jungle]

Got it!

[oblique crypt]

the troll i wouldn't try simply because while it might be theoretically less health it has consistent regen which means that if you drag on you'll get screwed

[upper jungle]

Oooh, I didn't know they had that, thank you for the heads up ^^

[oblique crypt]

well i say that actually if you're quick about it which with this little of dps you won't it will have less health and take less arrows since it's healing is only 2hp per second meaning that if you take less than 14 minutes it will have less effective health

which im pretty sure you wouldn't have enough time to get to it, kill it, and extract anyways with that much time to kill

[distant bay]

also investing in metal is good

[lyric slate]

can we add an accept all button to quests

[distant bay]

I hope so lol

[kind osprey]

does projectile DR affect spells?

or just arrows/bolts

[oblique crypt]

a damn good question but i don't think it does but frankly it might affect mm and icebolt

but remember that most things that reduce projectile damage also lower mr

[kind osprey]

its also a roll on gear

[oblique crypt]

that's true but main way of getting it is through plate gear

[solid cypress]

game broken??

[undone jacinth]

at least 1

[rapid roost]

there aint no ore where all the ore go i cant find a crumb on crypt

[left hornet]

Clerics holy strike needs a nerf like wizards lightning strike imo anyone else feel the same? The aoe is too big

[kind osprey]

no? it's cleric's only ranged offense and lightning strike slows unlike holy strike

[past musk]

how many total players are there in goblin cave , ice cave and crypts?

[twin magnet]

People can jump lightning strikes doing 0 damage to them

[left hornet]

Holy strike has the blind, either way a base gear even with full perks cleric should not 3 shot me with gear with 2 holy strike and judgement.

Died to that exact combo 3 times today

[kind osprey]

pretty sure you can jump holy strike too, but thats what people have told me. and even then pretty sure thats a bug. @left hornet do you want cleric to just run uselessly at you if they wear anything heavier than robes? cause the blind does nothing

[left hornet]

You can't jump it, after dying to it multiple times today pretty sure I can attest to that. I understand the purpose of the spell, the aoe is too large jumping straight backwards doesn't dodge it, paired with judgment and if you have less than 120hp you are either dead or one shot from that combo

[twin magnet]

the puddle of a lightning strike is easier to jump over then a lake holystrike.

[kind osprey]

and its the only way cleric survives in this wizard/warlock meta

nerf holy strike and cleric becomes useless outside of healbot in trios

[deft lintel]

"range"

[kind osprey]

the options are movespeed to deal with ranged or more ranged options

[warped raft]

this game really needs better base magic resist, HR is like cod hard core mode for magic users, kind of lame anymore

[kind osprey]

mr is pretty easy to build, I have a 62% MR build right now

[warped raft]

yea sure ill just dedicate my entire build to magic defense so then i get one tapped by melee, there is no reason why base MR is so low when all the base pdr is so much higher be default

[kind osprey]

I also have 55% PDR lol

[left hornet]

It is easy to build once you access the player market, but that takes a while for the average player now due to the changes (which I do like) I just don't see how it makes sense that a healing based class can literally nuke you in 3 button presses

That's all I'm saying

The area of the spell needs to be reduced or make judgement some kind of skill based ability not a point and press

If I'm not mistaken all you need for judgement is to be in range and press the ability correct?

[kind osprey]

in the movespeed meta its pretty easy to dodge. you can also "dodge" judgement by moving out of its range before the cast time finishes which deals no damage and puts it on cooldown

[wispy turret]

This game almost gives you the throwing meta, as Fighter I find so many franc axes that I feel dirty by the end of like 2 or 3 games when I blow them all on someone

[kind osprey]

I just dumpstered a rogue who threw about 12 throwing knives at me

[marsh mulch]

do wallhacks exist in this game?

[wintry path]

let me guess you healed 3 times and he fucked up once and lost?

[kind osprey]

yes :) but he was magic damage rogue. against cleric. with 60% MDR. He only lost cause he tried to man fight me after running out of ranged weaponry and backed himself into a corner. Otherwise i never would have caught him

[wintry path]

yeah your class is balanced lol

[kind osprey]

cleric is strong I won't deny but he literally had the choice to not fight me. I had no way to force that engagement

[wintry path]

he did but its a pvp game so he fought you and lost because your class is balanced

must feel great getting zero nerfs and non stop buffs

[kind osprey]

cleric has gotten nerfed a lot? not recently but definitely never not nerfed

[wintry path]

lowered heal spells by 2 charges and made holy strike take a second before dealing damage

thats all the nerfs you got

rogues daggers got nuked base stats got nuked and rapier nerfed removed hand crossbow for a while and nerfed hide nerfed weak point and ambush and shadow run or what ever its called

kind of crazy how you brag about killing one of the weakest classes as cleric which is the most broken class imo

[kind osprey]

lesser heal 4 to 3, holy light 4 to 3, protection spell and protection pot no longer stack, stat split hurt bless overall, holy strike delay (imagine the holy strike complainers when it was instant on cast), will scaling changed to be worse for clerics, anti-heal implementation, overheal just got nerfed this patch, PDR cap from 85% to 75% hurt holy protection skill, holy light cast speed nerf

also because rogues have invis. legit the only reason they catch nerfs 24/7. I never bragged about killing him because of cleric, it was "ah yes ranged meta sucks and thankfully I killed a guy with the arsenal in his backpack"

[wintry path]

prot pot stacking isnt a nerf pdr cap changed isnt a nerf holy strike small nerf that did nothing

over heal nerfed by 5% which is barely a nerf

everything about rogue has been nerfed constantly

[kind osprey]

how is prot pot not stacking not a nerf lol. thats losing 24 hp in a fight. also yes everything about rogue got nerfed because of invis. literally every facet of the class was nerfed because of invis because IM refused to touch it

[wintry path]

HIDE WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM IT WAS INVIS POTS

[kind osprey]

hide was very much the problem

[wintry path]

no it wasnt

[kind osprey]

yes because sitting in a corner or by an escape invis for 60 seconds that could literally delete anyone if they walked by you wasn't an issue lol

[wintry path]

cleric has gotten minor nerfs rogue has gotten major nerfs making the class shitty

[kind osprey]

did you play in landmine meta? where you literally had to open a door and then wait 60 seconds every time before walking in

[wintry path]

yes I did ive been playing since the play tests

[kind osprey]

maybe hide wouldve been fine without ambush and weakpoint. but given how frequently they had to nerf everything else and the class was still a problem, the only answer is hide

[wintry path]

ambush was never a problem weak point was so they nerfed it

now smite has never been nerfed and recently divine protection was buffed for no reason and never nerfed

[kind osprey]

how is +50% phys power on your first hit not a problem which it stacked with +wep damage, and headshot multiplier, and backstab

[wintry path]

50% when leaveing steal and only lasted a few seconds

weakpoint was 50% more damage with armor pen and you couldnt wait it out

[kind osprey]

smite is a fine skill. legit walk away for 4 seconds. divine protection was buffed because literally no one used it. +30% PDR for 4 seconds on a ninety second cooldown

pretty sure that was the highest cooldown in the game

if you want to complain about a class, look at warlock man

[teal orchid]

rogue still strong as hell

[wintry path]

same point smite scaled off magical damage

[kind osprey]

no different than ignite scaling off mag damage, or rogue poison scaling off mag damage

[wintry path]

barely

[teal orchid]

creep is a disgusting perk and needs to be changed

[teal orchid]

if u think trogue still isnt strong this wipe u are smoking crack

[wintry path]

rogue is basically unplayable with out gear

and hide is dog shit now

[teal orchid]

maybe but that goes for a few classes

[marsh mulch]

holy strike so poorly tuned

[teal orchid]

with how the market is right now full additional rogue is very cheap + having all stats back is just dumb

• didnt mase rogue get buffed

[wintry path]

+all only goes up 8 and it isnt that bad

and it was only slight buffs to make it so rogue didnt have so many perks

[teal orchid]

yeah it is they realised this before when they completely removed +all from the game that it was no good

[kind osprey]

pretty sure +all existed as a roll on necklaces? but only +1 all, plus gold gear

[teal orchid]

at one point it was completely removed before gold gear was added only got added back as a roll on gold

[wintry path]

yeah because you could litterally get +3 all on anything

[teal orchid]

yeah and then they nerfed it to only some pieces and then removed and added

[wintry path]

bard also needs + all to be viable

[teal orchid]

really doesnt with the new armours and stuff added makeing things has double base rolls on it

[kind osprey]

i don't think we needed +2 all with how much stats are on base gear

[teal orchid]

^^

[wintry path]

they also buffed plate for no reason

[teal orchid]

yeah but plate who cares

[plucky flare]

Plate needed stuff added. The + all stats returning is a little much. Gear diff is worse than its ever been

[kind osprey]

plate was unusable outside of plate boots with having no stats compared to heavy leathers and reinforced guantlets

[teal orchid]

ive never really had a problem with gear diff till this wipe

[wintry path]

the plate buffs gave more access to agi and dex which is what fighters had less of and didnt need more of

[plucky flare]

no they need agi if they are wearing plate

I think the only real misstep was allowing so many +all stats per kit again

[kind osprey]

agi is only on light gauntlets in terms of plate iirc, oh and a couple of bad helmets

[wintry path]

such as?

[plucky flare]

Chapel

[wintry path]

chapel is bis

[kind osprey]

chapel wasn't buffed though, it's had agi since gear had base stats.

[teal orchid]

also why wiz base is absolute garbage its so bad that if you get hit by anything u might aswell just restart

[plucky flare]

Frost armor helps a lot

[wintry path]

rogue had 79 hp and could get 1 shot by red skeleton lol

[teal orchid]

wiz has 80 they still get 1 shot by skellys

[plucky flare]

only to the head. Xbow skellies one shot a few classes iirc

[teal orchid]

if u take 1 hit by a goblin in hr just restart the match its 60dmg + poison

[plucky flare]

ya dude ur not supposed to get hit

[teal orchid]

tell that to this bologoblins slining missles

[plucky flare]

yeah definitely dont get hit by those

[wintry path]

I avoid bola goblins because they never miss

[plucky flare]

just gotta strafe bud

[wintry path]

I do they just always hit me

[teal orchid]

or the death beetles had 2 or me other ay hit me twice at the same time my character just forgot how to walk after it apparently

[plucky flare]

make sure you arent swinging your weapon while you strafe

[wintry path]

im not

[teal orchid]

they are pretty easy to dodge but sometimes that insta swing catches me with my pants down

[plucky flare]

lol yeah i fall for that sometimes too

[wintry path]

why are people crying about warlock boc kris dagger

[teal orchid]

started learning longsword yesterday and its actually so easy to parry them tho

[plucky flare]

it's that with bloodstained blade and shadowtouch combined with soul shards on dark reflection.

[teal orchid]

its a dirty combo that i like to abuse

[wintry path]

didnt they make soul shards not increase dark refection damage?

[kind osprey]

still does, still broken

[teal orchid]

it still increases it

[plucky flare]

maybe, still scales with +magic damage too.

[wintry path]

it only effects dark magic and dark reflection is regular magic now

[teal orchid]

maybe tbh i did have my reflection hit a rogue for like 44 eariler, he did 2 tap me but thats not the point

[wintry path]

it 100% does

[plucky flare]

I love the build but it needs a little tuning

[wintry path]

do ranged classes feel useless in crypts or is that just me

with buff ball being back

[teal orchid]

buff balls just makes people push you hard having a ranger with good places traps can just make or break a fight also with the amount of wiz/locks ranged always helps

[tranquil hornet]

dead goblin caves 5 peaple 4 portals 2 statics...

[pseudo pewter]

what happened to ruins?

[patent ether]

gone forever jk idk

just not there

[fallow coral]

where cobolt at

[pseudo pewter]

feelsbad

[patent ether]

trying to learn bosses feels bad

[fallow coral]

which module is there cobalt

[patent ether]

goblin mins and tunnels

[fallow coral]

goblin mines only have iron

[patent ether]

no they have cobalt

[fallow coral]

everytime i go there there is only iron, i check every spawn

[patent ether]

i got it there

unlucky

[fallow coral]

well which module on crypts tho

they moved so much stuff

[patent ether]

idk

[fresh oak]

a single warlock killed me and 2 other people all in the same game. he was the only one on the kill feed. he's just popping blow of corruption and 2-shotting

warlock is perfectly balanced haha

[karmic berry]

warlocks have killed this game

the warlock i just fought said "what did you bring me this time" before even oping the door because he knew he was gonna win the fight, his name was somting "cheese" because even THEY know warlock is SO broken @zinc sparrow

[fallow coral]

or he was just very very geared

[fresh oak]

Ihavecheese

IT'S THE SAME GUY!!! he was talking shit through the door about if I brough him a pickaxe or not!!!

[hasty eagle]

play cleric, warlocks die to 2 holy strikes

[teal orchid]

anyone else noticing that some hits don't register