game-discussion

[faint thunder]

Average rock fiends in the general chat I see. Games early access but the entitled gamers of this generation scream when any change is made. “Its always gunna be early access AKSHUALLY ☝🏼🤓🤓 give me back my + infinite”

How about you nerds go get some +life

[last spoke]

ive been doing well in normal caves i played yesterday and made 1.4k in like 2 hours plus gear. you just gotta open lots of stuff and boxes tbh at least from my exp

[chrome fog]

👍

[wooden coral]

Depends. Regardless of what people say about the game state right now, don't buy it until the next wipe comes unless you're okay with playing for gear you'll lose in 2 weeks. IF you're okay with that, then buy it and use this time before the full wipe (character levels & gear) to learn the game, then you'll be more knowledgeable when the full wipe comes.

[humble wyvern]

Try re-reading my post again. I never said 200 = HR GC. Also, what you described is going to change with the new, "you can't team", thing. I did play HR GC and noticed exactly that, lots of people who are willing to just say, "hey friendly, and move on looting". Giving you a free HR run and the possibility of definitely getting good loot. This was also 2-3rd day of wipe. I don't think that trend will last forever as people will start getting geared and if you go into HR ungeared, you're going to get rolled.

[coarse sinew]

Game is fun, they are working on it so if you are looking for a fleshed out game without some bumps wait another year. UP to you though. Ive certainly gotten my playtime out of my 30 bucks so far

[median hearth]

When is full wipe ?

[tame prism]

Yet another dupe lmao they needa get their shit together

[dreamy vine]

yes

[spare elbow]

Worst place to ask. This chat is full of trolls lol. If you like tarkov style loot/extract but you think a melee fantasy version with more combat would be fun you will prob like this. It has a kind of difficult learning curve especially if you never played chivalry/mordhau/elderscrolls

[subtle heart]

Not playing the game just cuz there are inventory wipes? Get the game now

[azure roost]

everyone complaining about problems its in EA what did you expect buying the game we are here to find the bugs

[steel radish]

is everything just going to get rolled back if we play right now? just curious

[faint thunder]

This

[lethal pike]

I belive it will be a full wipe including deleting the characters, so the he could buy it just for getting more experienced

[pulsar pebble]

Yes, but only if you can stand starting mid wipe, otherwise wait for the content patch in a couple weeks and then jump on.

[thin patrol]

the problem with the felling axe is that when there is a height difference between the players, you will always miss, if you are lower then the enemy you have to jump to hit them, but if they also jump nothing hits but the enemy hits even if you hug them, the same with swaped positions, thats why a little more range, and yeah a horizantal slash would be good with the same range to counter a little bit shields, its way to easy to counter shield a felling axe

[humble wyvern]

You literally just compared a game in WoW, to DaD. I won't go any further, lmao. Two COMPLETELY different gearing processes and choices you can make with the two games. The fact you think that comparison means anything or says anything for your argument made me laugh real good. 😆

[ocean kiln]

There is a special place called #📢announcements where the devs announce all #📢announcements

The information you are looking for was contained in an announcement in the #📢announcements channel

You might have to read several paragraphs in order to find the information you want. I know this is hard, but I believe in you

Next time you have a question check out #📢announcements because they arleady answered it

[wooden coral]

That's what I said, yes. But not deleting characters, just their levels. @sharp viper Listen to Pin Sleep and I. We are smart.

[valid prism]

yoooo when is the rewind happening today???

[last spoke]

i would buy and start learning this wipe that way next wipe u can do good

[median hearth]

ty how should i know i wrote on technical support cuz bugs and still dont have answer or something how should i know they actully answer on smh

[pulsar pebble]

I would too, but i know enough people personally who started tarkov for the first time mid wipe and uninstalled the game and never came back. But yea if hes got the stomach for getting his teeth kicked in, it would be a good time to get practice in I agree

[sharp viper]

Is there diversity in classes. Like is there one class everyone runs and nothing else? Btw how many people play the game?

[ocean kiln]

Brother you are sitting in discord crying about how bad you are at the game and begging the devs to patch you some loot I highly doubt you're laughing or having a good time

[sweet ore]

The way I think they should have loot in the future

Normal dungeons can drop white, green and blue items at 60% - 30% - 10% respectively
HR is harder but drops white, green, blue and purples at 30% - 30% - 20% - 10% respectively

Sack off the HR fee, and also get rid of the grey items in dungeons.

just my opinion

[dense kernel]

Yes, people get geared and then pvp. Can always just go in with your starter kit. If you die you only lost the entry fee. I feel you would like a solo dungeon crawler experience better.

[humble wyvern]

I would almost guarantee I'm better at this game than you are 🙂

[vapid oyster]

1v1 me bro

[pallid grove]

Why you need white/green when you pay fee, you can die in HR same as regulars and you still can get really bad rolls on blues/purple? The amount of loot you extract should at least cover fee+consumables so your risk get paid off

[wooden coral]

Why are you so angry?

[spare elbow]

I hear you but thats part of the weapon differences, they have strengths and weaknesses depending on the circumstances.

[ocean kiln]

You already said earlier how bad you are so this is just bait

@wooden coral I enjoy arguing + not high

[last spoke]

yeah but tarkov has a bigger learning curve and way more hackers unfor

[sweet ore]

One of my points was literally sack off the HR fee? Or did you not read all of it?

[median hearth]

when is full wipe btw i dont have time to read these

[warped raft]

come back when you have some time then and read 😉

[pallid grove]

I don't know the meaning of it, sorry English is not my native language, if you telling me to remove fee on entrance that would be still broken I think, maybe just make it 20-30 gold, so new players can try and experienced players did not pay extra for tries, like I tried HR only once and was full purple before wipe, now I am feared to go full green/blue there, escpecially with squishy classes, in regulars with default gear 2 goblin hits kill ya because of the poison

[ocean kiln]

They already tried this and the result was HR being nothing but scav rogues

[pulsar kayak]

yeah, its a pretty addictive game. Do not get attached to anything in it though, everything is a consumable.

[wooden coral]

This is a discussion channel though, not a "be angry at each other over a different opinion" channel. and that just made me sad dude wtf. Take a T break, find a hobby, work on yourself. Don't use weed as a bandaid solution to finding happiness.

[median hearth]

Fighter mind set

[cyan sundial]

when patch?! we want to play. duh, ban the dupers and be done with it

[rapid vapor]

In your defence sack off is a very strange phrase to use

[rustic pecan]

ya only the insane addicts are playing rn. im just waiting for rollback and update. shame rollbacks stopping us for these next handful of hours

[pallid grove]

2 weeks later, here we go again but with druid or new map 😄

[ocean kiln]

This is good advice - I still will enjoy my vice of arguing people online but you're right that it's something I need to work on. I hope you have a great day

[sweet ore]

Yes mate, by sack off I meant get rid of
@ocean kiln at least if that's the case people in HR in theory would be better and able to deal with the rogues
And @pallid grove that's my point, higher risk, higher reward, most people will probably want that challenge knowing they are able to get more out of it, but at the moment it just isn't worth it

[sonic maple]

THEY STILL HAVENT ROLLED BACKKKK

[chrome fog]

👍 HR goblin should be cheaper than HR crypt

[visual shell]

what time does the rollback happen?

[dense kernel]

Upon the completion of the hotfix like the freaking announcement said.

[wooden coral]

Yeah no problem brother, we're all only human. Gotta remember that people behind the text you see are people too. And try discussions over arguing, trust me. I used to do it too but there's nothing more satisfying than a productive discussion, especially when you disagree with someone. It allows you to actually absorb their point of view & mindset. You have a good one too m8!

[ocean kiln]

Well, the other issue is that people would queue same server same time and when they got in the same lobby they kill themselves so they can spectate for their friends. Lowering/removal of HR entry fee ended up causing more problems than it solved

[pallid grove]

So far I like the new system but amount of blues/purples in golden chests,lionhead chests and other locked containers are now way worse, even lockpicks worth nothing and people just ignore them in regulars, like PVE is not rewarding that much to take lockpicking skill for rogue/bard spell, this is not that balanced after all

[untold wasp]

is there a point playing dad today or everything is going to get rollbacked?

[fickle orchid]

They said rollback on hotfix, up to you if you wanna play or not

[chrome fog]

wait for the hot fix, its also a roll back. u can mess around until then if youre holding kits

[humble wyvern]

Where once did I say how "bad", I was...LMAO. If anything, I'm speaking for the community and a majority of players. Because unlike you, I remember when I first started playing this game and how difficult it is. I can be optimistic to say, that nerfing loot the way they did, isn't helpful for 60-70% of players. Not everyone is experienced and "good". Even experience playing the game doesn't mean you'll ever be good at this game. It's truly a hardcore/difficult game. The 15k people that were playing in the last patch, has been driven down to 5k now. Do you really think this isn't because the difficulty of getting a kit got harder now? You'd be lying to yourself...

[pulsar kayak]

everything will be rolled back after a patch tonight to approximately 1-8am PST today

[livid arrow]

If u have GOD set and want to have fun just go for it, but there is no other reason

[ocean kiln]

I believe that the bottom tier of players got tired of being clapped so they quit. I have plenty of IRL friends who suck and they've all quit. The ones that are good still play. Go figure

[sweet ore]

Once in a blue moon that MIGHT happen, but the chances are so slim and games last quite a long time, I don't think many people would commit just for the advantage of knowing where players are, just go to the middle of the circle and you will more than likely run into 2-3 people a game

[pallid grove]

Modern DND economy is lower less good,less profit from single raid,more time to reach same amount of gold in stash, but fees are the same that's really weird

[gritty flume]

Praying that it doesn't take months for devs to care about ai fixes. Goblin mage projectile is hilariously broken. All ranged mobs can shoot through walls if they're close. Skeleton shield attacks still are not in line with their model. Red mages apply 10 burn debuffs and one shot you sometimes

[twin magnet]

when is patch out someone stole my kit pls

[chrome fog]

unironic skill gap post

[humble wyvern]

Lol, exactly. And now it's even harder for those players to compete, because they go into a normal run, and come out with 50-100G. They can't handle HR, so now they're forced to play normals and earn minimal gold/loot and then when they die, they have to reset the whole process? Of course people are going to quit, they put the game back to a state that only caters to no lives and people who can dedicate a ton of time to grinding and playing this game. This is a problem, my friend...You can be selfish and ignorant all you want, but this isn't good for the game...

[last spoke]

"You realize that you are talking to one of the best rangers players in the game right?" this you? LMAO

[pulsar kayak]

There are organized groups of cheaters 100% running lobbies by stacking 5 to all slots so that they can farm gold. I personally have only run into them maybe 3 times, if you have anything valuable they will take it from you. That being said 3 games out of the many I've played isn't a lot.

[sweet ore]

That's what I'm saying, I've ran hundreds of times and not come across this once to be honest with you

Not saying it doesn't happen and that it's right, but just saying this game his bigger problems

[stuck geyser]

is trade working for you?

[pulsar kayak]

The hidden secret that this discord's mods don't want to you say is that the majority of these groups are asian so if you play outside their timezone you won't run into them. I only ran into them playing in the morning on US West, which would be the evening in China.

[peak trellis]

did the rollback happen yet

[ocean kiln]

Bet - just increase the loot so normals are worth it for sweats to roll again? Remember why this change was made in the first place?

[pallid notch]

Just play on their servers, they clearly dont occupy them

[trim schooner]

Is the roll back going to affect levels or just items?

[wraith herald]

o address a serious item duplication issue, we will require a rollback of player data to an earlier state from today IN CONJUNCTION with the completion of the hotfix.

[untold wasp]

its almost third here where i live, any signs of hotfix happening?

[subtle heart]

The average player is not going to play this game because of the loot nerfs, the average player is trying to hit up normals with blues and purples and its no longer possible

[sweet ore]

The biggest problem for me right now and probably the majority of the player base is quite simply loot....
You HAVE to go to trade chat to get geared now, the best bit about this game was last patch, being able to go in and get decently geared in a few runs and hit HR
They have made it basically impossible to do that now and to stand a chance against others in HR without trading other players
This is a looting game at heart, and they have made looting miserable for everyone, it's a shame and I hope they revert it back soon

[muted smelt]

anyone else not able to use trading channels right now?

[rocky pilot]

Why I cant open the any trade channel?

[ocean kiln]

Uninstall game and reinstall

[earnest drift]

patch notes when

[wispy ridge]

fr

[pulsar kayak]

Your feelings are fair, I don't mind loot being more accessible it raises competition in PvP after all.

[thin fulcrum]

the game just feels bland and in a bad place. It’s just not enjoyable or rewarding right now. A lot of it has been watered down, some classes are pve rat classes, buff ball overgeared metas are exhausting when you depend on random players to group with. The list goes on, the gear isn’t even helpful anymore for certain classes.

[echo plume]

actually the fights are the most fun they've ever been

[marble tangle]

Exactly what classes don't benefit from gear?

[feral totem]

Why is my account being unreasonably banned..

[cyan sundial]

maybe they should shut down the game until next wipe and patch.. to figure the duping out. no point in giving chinese goldsellers money

[little yew]

They just need to rip the bandaid and get rid of trade

[eager olive]

I think no such drastic change is needed. Something much simpler: reduce the drop rate of bardic shit by a factor of 3 (given they have so many variations of basically normal "all-class" items, but drop at the same rate). Less bardic shit = better loot for everyone.

[wicked burrow]

no matter what i do i get dominated pvp i get dominated pve i struggle i played this game back before the bard was a thing and did not struggle like this even in the goblin camps its impossible for me to defend myself against players

[vagrant furnace]

just die then i gues

[sweet ore]

It's not an easy game, the best things in life you have to work for, keep up the grind, you will get better 🙂

[pallid grove]

Just try fighter or ranger, they can recover without potions/bandages/campfires

[inner elbow]

its the best community you could ever be a part of

[wicked burrow]

@pallid grove i play strickly figher with 0 chance of survival

[thin fulcrum]

Rogues specifically. I main a rogue and now I just get 1-2 shot by barbs/warlocks/wizards/fighters/rangers with gear while it taking 6-9 hits with gear.. every class has 40-60 weapon dmg weapons except rogues.

[feral totem]

Why is my account being unreasonably banned I just spent 1250 gold coins on a dark gold weapon in the exchange

[slow hatch]

rogue has the chance to 1 shot classes (except barb) so i think what im seeing here is gear/skill issue

[eager olive]

try swapping out to slayer fighter with a lantern and an arming sword till you build up a bit of a stash. Plate armour is a trap if you haven't got a full set anyway (aside from the helms). use your superior speed and damage to basically be a better rogue with a crossbow

[pallid grove]

Try slayer build if you lack of mobility to dodge hits, also some guides could help to learn attack pattern of mobs, it's a matter of research, exploration and experience to get out

[azure roost]

sounds fishy

[calm torrent]

dont start ranger unless you can aim and even with that its hard to pvp pick fighter and you will learn how to pve much better and have more chance in pvp. just pace yourself and dont get greedy for extra hits if you dont feel confident. getting hit in this game in goblins is severely punishing for new players

[marble tangle]

You're doing it wrong then. I had been playing a Rogue with 146HP, 25% PDR, and hitting for 55 damage with a blue shortsword. All while moving at 310MS (with weapon away.)

[plucky helm]

Do you guys honestly think they should add gear cap back I think it’s a bad idea because you can snow ball but I know people think otherwise

[thin fulcrum]

Lol Wtf you talking about? How does a rogue one shot anyone with 25 weapon dmg max?

[inner elbow]

i think we should spark a spontaneous friendship thatll last for years to come

[sweet ore]

No they shouldn't
If people are willing to go in decked out and RISK the gear they are wearing then it's fair
The people complaining about it are the ones who don't want to risk anything and go in naked
You can't moan when you die to someone risking when you are not
Is my opinion

[keen hull]

is the hotfix they announced done? or if i start playing today its pointless due to rollback?

[marble tangle]

If you're doing 25 damage per hit, you're doing something seriously wrong. Are you building Knowledge or something? Lol.

Build Strength and damage. Agi and movespeed are second place to those.

[calm torrent]

it is a bad idea for 3v3 but i think goblin caves normals should be a save heaven for new players and should be present there

[slow hatch]

if u had good gear you would easily 1 shot anyone (not barbs)

[wicked burrow]

@eager olive @pallid grove pve isnt a big issue in the goblin caves i do fine but as soon as a player spots me im basically dead the shield is almost useless and i just get deleted and i spectate and ive only done at most 3/5 their health

[thin fulcrum]

146 hps? How much str are you stacking and how much did your set cost? Most rogues are like 80-86hps as fresh spawn. Don’t use a 6k gear set as an example, that’s an exception not everyone can afford.

[limber badge]

hotfix where

[ancient umbra]

I mean, that sort've nerf was bound to happen. Rogues were literally 1 tapping virtually every other class that didnt have plate armor before the nerfs. Come out of stealth fully perked out with perks that stacked upon each other for absolute ridiculous damage with the ability to continously proc through use of a potion with the added benefit of being nigh undetectable if they obtained a stealth position to all classes except ranger.

They are nerfed now but will end up being buffed again soon.

[thorn raven]

real

[rustic pecan]

learn how to drink ale scrub

[sharp quarry]

So does Warlock with BoC. Wizard can two shot Zap. Barb can one tap low HP classes. Ranger can quickshot two tap longbow. It's not exclusive to Rogue, and at the point Rogue can do it, Bard can. Rogue doesnt one tap Fighters with PDR, Barbs (ofc) nor Clerics with heavy armor.

[marble tangle]

90% of the time, I don't trade. I just keep playing, and naturally progress my gear as I loot and kill people. No idea what the value of things is at.

I ended up dying with that set (in a stupid way. Oops!), so now my Rogue is at like 120HP, doing 40+ish damage.

[unreal obsidian]

when's the damn hotfix?

[hard wharf]

Can anyone else not access the trade poset

[calm torrent]

you big dummy ;D want the new players to leave instantly? normal goblins have no place for lobsters

[pallid grove]

I can show you slayer build, it really makes a difference

[wicked burrow]

@pallid grove i cant make any builds if i cant get gold

[thin fulcrum]

Please read, I said 25 weapon dmg. With a good rapier or short sword that’s the best roll you can get without breaking the bank too much.. 26 on a demons glee with 2 weapon dmg if you got that kind of gold…yes you do 40ish on a dummy not geared player.

[shrewd mesa]

Are they going to add gear cap back into normal dungeons?

[grave flame]

Gooesq I like your comment *bad cuz bad Bring a healer then, nerd " funny how when you talk about a person main class how they react and bring nothing constructive to the table, always the same keyboard warrior saying mad cause bad.. they dont want anything doing about their main being nerf https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/505344/cleric-heals-need-a-downtime#comment567930

Cleric need to be checked out they do to much since the beginning of this game, their heal and shield is essentiel in any match-up, if you dont have any healer in your team you gonna have a hard time when its time to pvp, at least make sure that any heal after the first one heal you 50% less for 20-30 second or put a downtime to balance the fight for people with no healers, it would force cleric to be better player and actually attack and block and use their judgement better then just staying in the back and mass healing your team

[plucky helm]

You guys are chads

[sweet ore]

Learn by getting hurt, that's the dark and darker way 😉
But seriously though, even if they do cap the gear, you will still get the big boys min max it and dominate the timmy's anyway so, just my take on it

[chilly crag]

they removin all da candies, mid november they gone add christmas related shit

[marble tangle]

A green shortsword or rapier has 23 weapon damage base. That's assuming it has some roll like Interaction Speed on it, and that's not including any of your other gear.

[dark acorn]

Cant acess trade hall???

[cold reef]

Thanks fam, you are pretty cool yourself.

[eager olive]

Shields aren't particularly great outside of team fights or trying to push a ranger. Slayer builds let you not take the move-speed penalty of the shield (whcih is substantial) while giving you +5 weapon damage and +15% attack speed (which is like having a free +10/15 agi, depending on how much you already have)

[fiery walrus]

same, is it a global issue?

[wicked burrow]

@pallid grove i dont mean to keep complaining but ive played about 10 games today and have died everytime

[formal moon]

nature of the game

[opal breach]

u can still get +weap dmg from jewelry

[calm torrent]

I get people like you that want the game to stay as closely similar to what you like, but i keep seeing ppl complaining about bringing friends to the game just to get rolled and they quit cause of that. it will make their job and stats much lower than purples and uniques and a lot of them wil not even bother minmaxing. there should be a place with really bad loot but everything the same with gear cap where newer players can learn pve then slowly progress to pvp as much as they want

[slow zealot]

anybody knows when is patch starting?

[echo plume]

I've found success with a slayer build using pavise and shield bash, which lets you advance while blocking arrows or curses or whatever, then stun them with a bash before making the kill

[warped raft]

The problem is the scaling. You have to have some pretty elite gear to one shot anyone with a rogue and they would have to be under geared to do so. All other classes can wear shit gear and still put up a fight whereas the rogue can't pull this off anymore with the constant nerf batting. So now rogues are best at looting and avoiding fights unless you are uber geared or targeting noobs

[mellow mortar]

10min

[cold reef]

Trade chat is hot lava. 🌋 @slow zealot 15 minutes.

[calm torrent]

why the hell they cant announce exact time of the hotfix??? is it so ahrd to say when it starts?

[slow zealot]

how do you guys know?

[safe locust]

just wipe already

[sand basin]

sdf is typing.

[eager olive]

Aside from daggers needing a buff and some of the perks needing combining (pick-pocket and hidden pockets, anyone?) the rogue's in a pretty decent place imo. You can't face-tank a barb or a fighter, sure - but you've still got all the options you always had of getting into the backline to kill the squishies and turning a 3v3 into a 3v2. A barb becomes much less scary when the cleric isn't spamming heals on him, or the wizard can't keep casting lightning strikes and zaps at your fighter.

[cold reef]

How much time have you actually spent on the internet. You NEVER promise anyone an exact time EVER.

[delicate ridge]

People figured out how to dupe again? How tf do people find that stuff so fast lol

[calm torrent]

bruh every other online game can bother to schedule a patch/fix. but they cant? how? why? are they so bad at organizing?

[jaunty prawn]

And remember everyone, always record when playing because pusses are still pusses.

[rapid vapor]

I can name at least one other game that doesn't officially announce the time of their patches. Actually 2

[eager olive]

They rarely declare the exact hour they'll be deploying a patch, and very rarely actually deploy hotfixes within days (let alone hours like ironhammer) of a bug being identified

[coarse sinew]

Honestly this is pretty common place lol. Let them cook

[last stump]

anyone know when the hotfix will be

[cold reef]

15 minutes

[solemn zephyr]

is the trade market down?

[warm anvil]

Is the trade market bugged for you guys to ?

[ancient umbra]

I'd disagree.

Because this didnt happen for games like Dark Souls. There is no "Easy Mode". You die over and over and over again until you learn.

This idea that people are having difficulty bringing their friends in because they will get rolled and then quit is false.

We live in the era of the internet. You research a game you want to buy before you buy it. If you buy a game that is "brutally difficult" then complaining "the game it's too difficult" is literally a moot point.

[warped raft]

I don't think it's in a bad place, it's just been hammered into a spot that many other classes need and don't get cause it always pulls focus due to being able to hide really rubs others the wrong way. You know it's messed up when a perk has a penalty, kind of makes it not a perk anymore and I don't see this on any other class.

[rapid vapor]

Everything is getting rolled back soon because of a duping exploit

[calm torrent]

@rapid vapor @coarse sinew Idc if you can name when majority doesnt do this dumb shit, they should declare exact START idc when it ends and this is not commonplace with normal dev teams

[subtle heart]

what should i play if my friends play cleric and fighter

[broken hound]

I just want the game to be fun again. I hate the loot now it’s not fun I never find anything that’s good and I die to players who spent 7 hours building there kit

[compact wolf]

is the hot fix gonna reset the stashes?

[manic walrus]

There's only so much you can min max with whites boi

[coarse sinew]

Based foxhole player detected

[cold reef]

The trade chat is Germany in the 40's, and NOW. Please stay away from it! @subtle heart A different game entirely.

[languid mantle]

is trading down

[calm torrent]

Yeah thats why dark sould like games are so popular right now huh? thats why so many people play them huh? dead games bro DEAD. the 2nd point is not false at all and 3rd point this game is not super hard its a fallacy made by people to think its hard. its just geared players who make it brutal because of lack of balance

[sweet ore]

So you're saying the answer is to cap anything that isn't high roller to white gear?
Pls.

[manic walrus]

Yeah why not, legit

[rapid vapor]

Dark Souls remained relatively niche and was only famous for its difficulty. New player experience is extremely important to multiplayer games and unlike a lot of games when you die in pvp its very hard to understand what went wrong when you're new

[marble tangle]

You know Elden Ring is in Steam's Top 5 peak-played games, right? And it's currently in the top 50 most played?

[calm torrent]

cause its a new ish game other 10 are dead xd

[eager olive]

There's a difference between a game being brutally difficult and having a poor new player experience. I wouldn't even say D&D is particularly difficult once you've learned the mobs - the only real challenge comes from fighting other players. And as a PVP-focused game you have to have something that lets newbies learn the PVE aspect of the game (and build up some PVP skills) without simply getting dumpstered over and over again by people who might not even be mechanically very good at the game, but just geared through force of time played.

The recent changes that we've had on gear disparity have helped this out a lot in my view - though it has made loot a little less exciting. My personal favourite iteration of the game was when there was a fair bit of potential gear disparity, but markets were locked for characters under level 15. I would absolutely switch to an SSF mode (only use gold at merchants) full-time in a heart-beat, and they could bring in +10 All atts at that point - I wouldn't care.

[sturdy copper]

has rollback happened yet??

[rapid vapor]

Elden Ring is also widely considered the easiest soulsborne by far

[manic walrus]

Elden ring and dark souls are way easier than dark and darker anyway, the comparison is irrelevant

A more apt comparison is a multiplayer game where the main player base is all tryhards with 1000+ hours in the game where the bar for entry is so high that no new player would ever pick it up
Dark and darker is headed in that precise direction...

[marble tangle]

That's how sequels work, my man. Call of Duty Modern Wafare 2 was an absolutely massive game. For its time. Then some other CoD game came out, and MW2 died. Because sequels. It's the same with GTA, sports games, and whatever else.

[rapid vapor]

No it's happening when the hotfix happens

[sturdy copper]

ty

[calm torrent]

preach brother!

[swift cradle]

whats hotfix gna addv

[rustic pecan]

i thought the same too, we just need a tutorial mode for the newbies. the game takes a solid 10 hours to lock down. this isnt ur typical pick it up with ease league of legends game, games tryhard mode

[formal moon]

All the ppl that want SSF, PvE only, and other iterations of that. Are just simply not the audience of this game \ genre

[rapid vapor]

Supposedly buffs for less popular stuff. Morning really concrete beyond that

[slow zealot]

wait but its not worth playing no because they reset anyway right?

[buoyant dragon]

When is this darn hotfix gon hit

[cyan sundial]

yea... dunno why they do that.. worst decision ever - ban the dupers until next wipe, hotfix the bug and tadaaa

[dull knot]

having a mode for the noobs doesn't hurt the tryhards, its an option to click on the screen. They just want easy enemies

[eager olive]

I really wouldn't put SSF and PvE only even remotely in the same category. SSF is literally what you play with until you hit level 15 while facing people who don't have the same restriction.

[carmine echo]

has it already rolled back, or it's going to?

[grave flame]

pvp balanced in this game is bad, the only little balance there is its in solo, if you manage to play in duo or trios, game become blatantly unbalanced, we can clearly see some class excell compare to others, fighter and cleric is absurd you heal your fighter when he is about to die, and still he gonna second wind in backup but whatsoever casual gamers that have a life and work cannot compete against the kid in mom basement that play 75+hours a week in fully gear purple that 2 shot anything.

Game balance is trash, gear cap is over skillz, if your lucky enough you can manage to kill a blue gear person if he is already damaged but if he is in purple gucci suit good luck, your better off starting another game.

[cunning sorrel]

Any word on what this hotfix will be?

[hybrid shoal]

[formal moon]

Not really, as that version ppl were just droping gear to their friends and then pub stomping with said gear

[rapid vapor]

There's a very large difference between pve only and SSF. Assuming there was a decent population i don't understand what's wrong with a self found mode.

[crisp pecan]

Its hard to balance the game when theres people out there trying every concievable trick to get an advantage instead of just having fun. So long as theres bad people, there will always be a scheme.

[woven matrix]

How do they NEVER announce a timeline for patches?

[zinc totem]

No point in playing rn since they are rolling back right?

[slow zealot]

yea

[twin spear]

because if they give a time and they run a little behind schedule people will cry even more than they do now
name a game that gives exact times for updates (that isnt a triple AAA game)

[flint ingot]

Ikr? Gotta say the devs are very inconsiderate

[eager olive]

It was an incredibly, incredibly rare occurence. And hey, if SSF can't queue with non-SSF characters, mission accomplished - the RMB-bleeding nerds can stay in their lobbies with the hackers of clearly undefined origin country and pay them for their own gear back while the rest of us can enjoy the game 🙂

[grave flame]

yup totally aggred people want to win so they will try everything in their power to abuse, exploit, or break game mechanics to win.. sad but true or when you try to say something about balancing a class people react saying mad cause bad, because they dont want their main class to be nerf

[cunning sorrel]

Rule #1 under promise and over deliver

[formal moon]

These there is a diffrence between the two. Both however are not what was intended for this game and do not belong. Constantly splitting the player base has been chipping away at the game and creating bad balance of the characters. @eager olive so rare that ppl were complaining about it every single day none stop

[sacred bear]

rollback of player data to an earlier state from today beudeutet doch wie ich es rauslese es wird nur auf z.b. heute mittag zurückgesetzt oder?

[ocean kiln]

Homeboy forgot to translate the back half of the sentence

[thick warren]

is the game down rn?

[crisp pecan]

The only class i think really needs to be nerfed to the ground atm is ranger, everything else i can at least tolerate to an extent.

[marble tangle]

Which map do you play most of? Genuinely curious.

[eager olive]

why do I get the suspicion that you were one of the ones complaining the most about "split lobbies" while your lobster kit gathered dust now that you couldn't bring it into gobbos without a solid chance of a fair fight?

[rapid vapor]

Solos and duos weren't intended either, but are so popular they're a full fledged mode. Also that's why i said if the population was big enough, which it may be in the future.

[warped raft]

you misspelled cleric my boy 😉

[zinc totem]

Playing only solos gave me a ego, it seems the best players are in 3s or duos.

[subtle creek]

anyone else not able to access the trading channels?

[twin spear]

what trading channels?

[sacred bear]

no sorry thaught i write it in the German chat sorry mates 🙂

[formal moon]

I don't play GC and think it was not a good add to the game. @rapid vapor and all those players are pretty much gone and the game has just gotten worse

[crisp pecan]

I think people overexagerate how bad cleric is. I only see them being really bad if theyre running full lobster and 30% damage resist buff

Bad as in busted

[grave flame]

But have you play ranger with the starting bow it suck gonna take you 10 arrow to kill a barb if you manage to sidestep and charge at them they are pretty much squishy and die in 2 shot, it seems like fighter are stronger since they use the longbow with 2 damage penalty and have a charge and a heal, but its true I got one hit by a ranger with a leg bow, 1 headshot and dead, here is the problem with ranger when you have gear its become super broken.

[warped raft]

any class that can be 5 classes in one is broken

[zinc totem]

Is cleric that busted in solos tho? If you let a cleric get away after the initial fight then I could see him being hard to beat. But a fighter and barbarian should piece up a cleric most times. I do think the game is the most balanced rn for solos then it ever has been

[sullen coyote]

Imagine mentally advanced people (the mass of the human population, we all rock like that kek you know what I mean) trading things all day just to find their shite rolled back tomorrow. You can envision the praise for Ironmace that would echo throughout the universe then.

[earnest drift]

patch notes WHEN

[slow zealot]

@zinc totem as example i would shit on any geared cleric with no gear wizard

[rapid vapor]

What you think isn't what the majority of people think. GC is still very popular.

[subtle creek]

like the ingame channels

[formal moon]

Being popular clearly means nothing as the game is in its lowest point ever. Mcdonalds is popular but kills you

[marble tangle]

LOL

[twin spear]

oh cant say i have any issue
try restarting game

[crisp pecan]

All you gotta do is camp an exit in the shadows, wait for them to start opening the portal and get that first headshot. Getting that first headshot will ruin them.

[warped raft]

technically you are killing yourself, no one is puting a gun to your head and telling you to eat big macs 😉

[zinc totem]

What are chances patch notes are in the next few hours.

[rapid vapor]

Are you implying the game lost its players because gc exists and not because we had insane back to back balance changes for a month?

[eager olive]

Indeed. The only real reason we have a market is because Ironmace really wants to bring back the nostalgic feel of trading in Runescape (they've explictly stated as much) - it's not actually integral to the fundamental gameplay loop. But it would be good if they tested a no-market mode like they did the test with gobbs and duos ruins. I think they'd quickly find that the majority of the playerbase would immediately migrate to that mode (as many did when lobbies were split, happilly deleting toons and grinding them up again)

[subtle creek]

i have, about 3 times now lol

[formal moon]

Exaclty my point lmfao. Popular doesn't mean good. Ppl want things that are actively killing the game because the average player is a timmy with a surface level understand of the game and it's mechanics. @rapid vapor I'm saying that GC was adhering to an audience that didn't like what the devs were creating and has created too much for them to manage and as a result everything else is suffering

[light coral]

did they rollback yet? 🙂

[marble tangle]

Spoiler alert, if the average player thinks a game is garbage and don't want to play it... That game won't have a large playerbase.

[zinc totem]

The game would be dead rn without solos. I believe that 100 percent. 3s is the most sweaty I’ve ever seen. Even streamers have low survival rates. Wayyy to random I think.

[formal moon]

Clearly not true, look at the population currently. The game had far more ppl playing regularly each PT then it does now. @zinc totem the game would be FAAAAR more developed. The spike in players GC created is already gone.

[frank pasture]

the average player isn't making up a large amount of the playtime xD. dedicated and good players are

[dry stump]

Idk about dead, but no solos would 100% cause a huge dip

[marble tangle]

By that logic, games like PUBG were their best at launch. Because it was new and shiny, and everyone in the world wanted to play it.

[rapid vapor]

I will guarantee you a lot less people would be playing without GC. There's a market of people who don't have friends for duos and trios, and lets be honest getting a group with randoms sucks.

[bleak thistle]

Still no hotfix anouncement ?

[plain willow]

if they dont nerf cleric im deleting this game

[zinc totem]

What do you mean by more developed? Would the average player have 2 friends who are competent? Probably not. Solos just seems more organized and less chaotic.

[crisp pecan]

Goblin caves is boring as hell even if it isn't the cause i hate it. I would love a solo crypts

[warped raft]

idk anytime i join GC its insta-starting and the other maps now seem to to have much longer queues, even the HR GC is almost instant compared to regular queuing of crypts and ruins and this is on several dif regions

[twin spear]

the patch tonight has confirmed nerfs for buffball meta

[formal moon]

Which literally doesn't matter, the core audience of 30-50k ppl would still be here and the dev's would have time to actually finish the game. @zinc totem more classes, talents, a first floor, etc

[grave flame]

not everyone can play 75+hours a week.. dedicated and good players are not really working in real life, when playing a game become your job.. ask yourself why

[valid prism]

wish devs would get the hot fix

[loud remnant]

whos graysun and why is he so hot?

[hot talon]

Solo crypts or ruins would be amazing. GC is just bad setup and lazy map making

[eager olive]

There's 8000 people playing right now despite knowing that a rollback that will delete everything they've made today is imminent in the next few hours... Also looking at playercounts when the game was 1) On Steam 2) Completely free to try and pointing as them as the benchmark to beat is flatly ludicrous.

[solemn zephyr]

when is role back?

[rapid vapor]

Yeah people left because a map was added. Obviously.

[plucky basin]

Has the game been rolled back yet?

[zinc totem]

Duo crypts would go crazy, the ruins map is so awful imo. I wonder what most people think of the ruins map.

[frank pasture]

exactly, competitive games should not be made for people who can't put the time in. If 20% of players have 80% of the playtime the game should be made for them, go play something else if you disagree.

[crisp pecan]

Whats worse is that goblin caves looks terrible, the textures and reflections make everything look like wet poop, and the goblin noises are stuck in my head. The little GNAGGHLAGHHHH you know what i mean.

[marble tangle]

No, no, it's because they added Goblin Caves. That's why the population went down. Nothing to do with being free, on Steam, or just losing the "new and shiny" appeal.

[formal moon]

I'll grant u the steam portion, however the game was always going to cost money. I highly doubt that people weren't going to play because of 35 dollars. @rapid vapor I didn't say that, it's the point of the devs having more to manage than they were able to.

[remote flicker]

Personally I love ruins, mob density could be looked at cause I feel like I’m fighting a small army everytime I play it but it’s fine rn. Since most of the mini bosses can be cheesed in some way

[twin spear]

your forgot to add the lack of a goal for players to achieve, thats clearly not a reason why some people stopped playing temporarily

[rapid vapor]

It's a slaughterhouse. Seems like everyone spawns on top of each other, lots of mobs, lots of ambush opportunities

[marble tangle]

The goal is to kill the Lich boss by only parrying arrows from the ranger skeletons. Are you new to this game?

[crisp pecan]

Im pretty sure they said they werent gonna make the game cost money until it was out of early access, but had to go back on their promise to fund the Nexxon lawsuit. Making the game cost 35 bucks, and making microtransactions definitely took away a lot of the crowd, not because its necessarily bad, but because it was done so suddenly after they first announced it being free. Like a bait and switch. It was a bad marketing tactic. They were already making mad dough through willing donations that gave nothing in return.

[hot talon]

Yeah it’s corny, the goblins & pve are so annoying compared to the other 2 maps to deal with. Can’t stand GC but love playing solo. If I’m wizard or rogue I’ll try to run ruins solo sometimes because I’m tired of GC

[eager olive]

35 dollars might not mean much to me or you, but there's plenty of people out there for whom it's something they need to save up for. Not just people from poorer countries, but people on lower incomes or just teenagers (who end up being some of the most "dedicated" players). Free is always going to be a pricepoint that more people will stomach than $35.

[zinc totem]

I would love to see random bosses in the goblin caves. New bosses that have equal chance of spawning. Not just cave troll every time.

[vapid arch]

ogre is coming, or was it cyclops

[twin spear]

on a serious note i wish it was possible to take on the bosses with any class and team size (not saying it should be easy)

[leaden sky]

has it already rolled back?

[rapid vapor]

Pretty sure most can, can't they?

[tulip ridge]

U can do this with the cave troll

[marble tangle]

Possible is a strong word, my friend. I think theoretically, it probably is possible for any of them?

But I know what you mean. I'm just being a "Uhm ackshully" nerd.

[formal moon]

@crisp pecan I think both of the points you're making are bad or laughable at best. Falling back on promises started with GC and I agree about the bad decisions that were made as a result to keep the game going based on cash flow problems brought on by nexon lawsuit

[vapid bramble]

Has the rollback happened already?

[zinc totem]

Did not know they were actually planning that already. That’ll be crazy. I haven’t learned the troll yet, but it would be fun to not know what to expect when you go to boss fight. Maybe classes other than rogue will have a advantage in fighting. Like a boss that hits fast but dosent 1 shot

[crisp pecan]

Crypts is hands down the best map, probably because they made it first. Everything in crypts feels passionate and like a classic dungeon crawl. I would love it if they rotated the maps to make each one solo every few hours. Spawning in the same 5 spots in goblin caves, either at the water basin with the bolo goblin and shaman next to the locked lionhead chest... or right next to the shrine of protection surrounded by mummies... or by the open cave area swarmed with bats and spiders... like i know all these places by heart. But when im in Crypts, it feels fresh every time.

[twin spear]

yes i know but cave troll has a 0 percent chance to drop unique items
which makes it literally impossible to get unique items unless you play a meta comp or have 2 friends who arent trash at the game
also only cave troll can be done with anyclass
the other 3 have a form of undodgable damage that makes any class without healing impossible to do them

[opal patrol]

ive been told that penetrating shot works on spear for ranger does anyone know if it works on every melee weapon?

[rapid vapor]

I can't speak for every class, but warlock can solo lich and gk, and barb can solo gk. Pretty sure most classes can do lich. But I've never tried those

[zenith fractal]

ive done 2 of the bosses with 3 base kit clerics, and I'm absolutely trash

[remote flicker]

I feel like gc has mob density the worst. If you get the big room with the goblin mage and party you barely have time to loot the whole room before the swarm rolls in. Especially if you’re under geared. And I’ve run into too many situations where I’ve killed some poor dude being ganked by me and a couple do goblins

@opal patrol probably not

[hot talon]

I was thinking the same thing, have an option where every map can at least solo queue. Now that I thought about it a solo crypts would be really interesting. GC needs a lot of work if it’s going to stay around. I see a lot of solo players suffering thru it too. I can only run so much of GC before I want to bash something in

[zinc totem]

I wonder what percent of the population actually has attempted Lich king or any of the others. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s less that 5 percent

[hazy glen]

yo

[opaque peak]

soo we gonna get some patch notes?

[formal moon]

generally 1 kill gets you to the top 100

[twin spear]

.....
thats my point some classes can but others have no way to kill the bosses
you literally could take 3 rogues and you stand no chance at killing lich because of the undodgeable damage move he has

[marble tangle]

Which "big room with the goblin mage" are you talking about?

The one with the mage in the middle of the room, and 3 melee boys around him? 0 ranged goblins in that room at all? Along the walls, there's groups of like 2-3 gobs patrolling?

[crisp pecan]

You're definitely not laughing at my statement, you might this its wrong but cmon don't be a jerk... keep it civil and act like an adult, this is my favorite game and I think you like it too if you're in this chat debating changes, so we can discuss things without the snide undertone that makes this game look bad for outsiders.

[hazy glen]

dark and darker keeps crashing when alt tabbing, anyone knows the fix?

[manic walrus]

How about the benchmark from 3 weeks ago at 30k+?

[vapid oyster]

stop alt tabbing

[zinc totem]

Now that I think about it, warlock needs a nerf. Maybe I’m just salty but a good geared warlock is imo unbeatable. No way his curse should do a quarter of a barbarians health.

[ocean kiln]

Have you ever used LFG? That's how I met everyone I play with. Had to go through a lot of shitters but eventually found good pp;l

[grave flame]

totally agree

[formal moon]

It's a reasonable thing to say that an opinion is......bad..

[half frigate]

Anyone know what time the update starts?

[rapid vapor]

Between now and midnight

[eager olive]

What's bad or laughable about pointing out that a game that is free and on steam is (all things being equal) is going to have a greater playercount than one that costs $35 and isn't on steam? The point @rapid vapor made on the game being shiny and new in playtests is also really quite potent. Playercounts are obviously lower than at the start of Early Access, but a lot of it can be explained by there not being too much new content recently, with a big patch promised in 2 weeks time. New content would bring an influx. I sincerely doubt anyone who isn't playing has left "because of" Goblin Caves. And they'll be back when the patch drops. Bigger, actually dangerous, issues to the playerbase come from enterprising individuals from a country of no specified origin.

[remote flicker]

Yeah I feel like cleric is the goat for bosses(esp lich) since he spawns in undead and holy purification negs undead

@marble tangle I think there’s 2 or 3 variations of that exact room. But yeah that one. But yeah that one. Not even gonna talk about goblin archers and their aim when you get a tiny bit close to them, had an arrow hit me clean in the side of the goblin

[spiral ingot]

did the rollback happen already?

[crisp pecan]

Thats not all you said, you said my opinion was laughable at best. Thats a pretty rude thing to say to someone, and I doubt you'd ever say it to someone in real life.

[zinc totem]

I’ll bet a dollar that patch notes start in the next 2 hours. Game down for 2 hours. Able to play at around 10pm central time

[twin spear]

im sure lfg makes it possible to maybe find people
but that has nothing to do with my point
i should have the option to take on a boss solo, duo, or trio
with any assortment of classes
sure some classes should make it easier
but it should never be impossible under any circumstance such as team size or composition

[formal moon]

because people pay for most games they play, whether it be micro transactioins or a box price. Postulating that has been a factor to a large audience leaving is laughable. @crisp pecan depends on what a person said in real life.

[hazy glen]

dark and darker keeps crashing when alt tabbing, anyone knows the fix? Please

[half frigate]

😂 actually love this answer. Thank you for the response

[ocean kiln]

"i should have the option to take on a boss solo, duo, or trio
with any assortment of classes"

No, you shouldn't, lol.

[marble tangle]

Just skirt the edge of the room, instead of going in the middle to fight the mage. If you spawn in the North-East corner, you can just go south and leave that room, without any trouble.

As for archers, they can be tricky. If you can, walk away from them and let them chase, until you find a corner/barrel/whatever for them to shoot. They shoot, you step forward and bop them once. Walk behind your cover. Rinse and repeat.
Alternatively, with most classes you can get a hit on the archer, then walk away and try to dodge their coming arrow. Timing is tight, but it's usually doable.

[cobalt nexus]

so right now we are all playing for nothing right>

[crisp pecan]

Man, I'm trying to be respectful but I obviously rubbed you the wrong way I guess. So I'm gonna block you under the assumption you don't want to debate and just want to cause a shouting match.

[twin spear]

so your saying that simply because i play a certain class
the heights i can reach should be lower than other classes
simply because i chose to play a specific class

the boss should be harder for a solo on a certain class but not impossible

@half frigate the point im trying to make here is i shouldnt be limited because i play solo or as a certain class
you literally cant get the best items in the game because of playing solo or as a certain class
on HR crypts bosses drop uniques
i do agree that it should be hard if not one of the most difficult things to do but it shouldnt be impossible

[robust mica]

I’ve tried and I want this experience so bad! Never works out maybe I’m the problem lol

[half frigate]

This I disagree and agree with at this same time, yes bosses should be able to be done by any comp with or without a cleric “cough cough” but I do think it needs to be balanced around a full team fighting it and should be exponentially harder with a team of 2 or even solo

[formal moon]

Pretty sensitive lol, but furthering my point of having nothing of value to add to the conversation by getting hung up on a disagreement. @eager olive yet again, i didn't say because of GC

[ocean kiln]

No. I am saying certain classes excel at certain things better than others. As it is in every single game that has classes

[tardy tusk]

when is rollback exactly? time??

[small blaze]

game unplayable atm

[remote flicker]

Also I’ve never attempted a boss yet cause I haven’t gone to HR enough to get enough gear to warrant it. I’ll do one eventually probably next wipe at some point (not for the reply)

Oh I’m fine with the room, it’s mildly annoying to me, I mean for like low geared timmies sometimes the room can be a lot to handle, some of the rooms with just random mobs thrown in is kinda bonkers, like the one spawn with the healing shrine in the corner and you have to fight a death bug, an archer, a bola, 3 axemen(maybe swordsman I forget) and the ones in the water. I spawned in in the bridge at the top as a warlock and I just died cause I genuinely disliked the spawn

Damn I’m writing an essay @half frigate touché, I’ll give it a go if my trio is ever on, I usually get unlucky and get GK everytime I go. But I’ll attempt one of the bosses sooner or later, just haven’t wanted to do them yet

[robust mica]

Yeah they always tend to do it during prime gaming hours it’s ridiculous like how about some love for your most popular region BY FAR US East???? 0 gold farmers most of the leaderboard toppers and we are DDOS the most and poo’d on the most - why?

[half frigate]

You can do boss with green and blue gear, I do it all the time in norms. Just takes practice, lich is a good first boss to fight

[eager olive]

You're clearly not aware of the actual income model for F2P games. The majority of players of F2P games never pay a penny, a relatively small proportion end up paying a similar amount to what they would have paid for a box copy of a full release, and a very small sliver (the whales) contribute the majority of the proceeds for those games. Not going to quote exact percentages as they ones I've got in my head come from quite some time ago and, even if I remembered them accurately might not be accurate to today. But the drop-off in players going from free to paid IS massive.

[crisp pecan]

Dude just block him you can obviously tell by his tone he just wants to pick a fight.

[lucid musk]

is there a reason why i cant trade to players?

[formal moon]

Yet again, money isn't the issue of player decline. Saying that because of the game isn't F2P and lumping that in with steam is disengenous at best. Being off steam definitley hurt more than 35

[glad gazelle]

its very cool that people can go in fully juiced meanwhile no one can trade 🙂 very good thinking process

[zinc totem]

Yeah they really need to give estimated times. And just have reminders delays are possible. If people whine it’s fine people whine all day on here about everything. People who like the game wouldn’t mind a heads up

[marble tangle]

Only spawn I really hate, is in the one that's just beside the corner-shrine one you're talking about. You spawn in a little pocket of a cave-wall, and just to your right is a mage, a ranged goblin, and a melee boy. The thing that sucks, is that all 3 of them patrol around, lol. If you're AFK for 30 seconds, you'll die in spawn.

When you leave that little pocket, at least one of the mobs will almost always aggro. Mage has a huge aggro range too. There's a good chance you'll get the mage + melee boy on you at the same time. Small chance you'll get all 3. It's a death sentence for anyone who's not familiar with fighting all the mobs in GC.

To make things worse, if you go south, you run into a centipede, lol. If you go west, you run into that shrine room, with a couple of death beetles, a ranged gob, and a bunch of melee boys. That spawn is the bane of noobs.

[cyan sundial]

? it's everytime they f up... they can't tell us a time ever... also, ban the dupers, and let us play, why wipe? f it... there's a wipe soon anyway

[eager olive]

I mean, if you've got some hard data to support that paying $35 isn't a barrier to anyone who might otherwise play the game if it was free, I'm all ears. Otherwise I'm going to go with the entire field of economics and basic common sense, sorry bud.

[formal moon]

I can counter it simply with the hard fact that more players spend money on microtrantsactions and the model took over the gaming atmosphere by storm.

[vast spindle]

It rolled back yet?

[ocean kiln]

Most intelligent discord user

[remote flicker]

Last time I got the spawn only the mage aggroed and I legit sighed in relief cause I didn’t wanna deal with the mage, bola and the melee at the same time.and yeah it’s in a shit spot, I remember on my barb I got a spawn DIRECTLY next to a centipede, I opened the door next to me and the thing aggroed, if I didn’t get a surg kit from him I would’ve been 1 shot the whole game cause the thing made 0 noise and I had no clue the thing even existed behind the door

[gusty salmon]

Feel like this game wipes to often

[eager olive]

So yes, you're continuing to elaborate on the already established fact that you don't actually understand how the F2P model is actually funded.

[mental viper]

dead game?

[dense coral]

anyone know if a time frame has been mentioned for the hotfix/rollback?

[formal moon]

With micro transactions lmfao. The game was always going to cost money. This conversation can be ended with the fact that the model has gone into almost every game

[median hearth]

imagine trades working xd

[cold reef]

UTC current time is 21:55:45

[marble tangle]

Lol, man that sucks. Haven't had that spawn yet! As far as I can remember, every Centipede has a heal shrine close to them.. Aside from the one that's in the mining pit under an elevator surrounded by fire traps. No heal shrine too close to that one.

That said, you can duck the centipede's poison attack. When its mouth starts to fume up with poison, just crouch, and it'll miss. (Sometimes hits your hand if you're attacking.)

[eager olive]

That spawn's actually not that bad. Immediately go away from the pond and crouch under the lantern and go up the incline. You'll not aggro any of them 9 times out of 10, and if you do it'll just be one of them.

[remote flicker]

I usually just dodged it but the kicker was the thing got 2 attacks and jumpscared me hard asf cause it didn’t make a sound. Thankfully I was on my barb or I would’ve died.

@eager olive yeah once I learned the aggro range for gobbos it wasn’t too bad, the surrounding areas was the kicker tbh. I was in my slayer fighter and the mage is negged then it only takes killing the bola without the attack randomly magnetizing to me

[zenith fractal]

the worst spawn in GC is the big room with all the stairs, you spawn on the bottom with a goblin outside a little wooden gate, if a ranger or wizard or fighter spawn above you, youre good as dead. @eager olive knows

[eager olive]

the one truly, unequivocally bad spawn on gobbos is HR-map jungle gym bottom floor behind the wooden wall that you have to break out of. You're pretty much guaranteed to be boxed in by another player in there.
@zenith fractal and I had the same thought

[broken dome]

You just gotta rush the elevator and gtfo

[marble tangle]

That one definitely sucks. At least it's realllly rare (for me?) that I get ganked in there. It has happened! But not too often. It's a good room though, aside from that possible insta-death.

[lucid musk]

did they already roll back?

[lyric maple]

Something going on with Trade right now is it just me? Won't let me enter any of them

[vocal saddle]

Any tips on quickly getting to the goblin mines?

[stoic jasper]

amy1 know what time update will be?

[frank sequoia]

i dont think so, not hotfix yet

[north aurora]

is trade bugged?

[cloud shale]

its disabled

[prime needle]

what if we all just issue chargebacks on our credit card at the same time and completely wipe out the cash from these criminal devs?

[zenith fractal]

everything you do before the update will be rolled back

[lyric maple]

Wonder how much earlier they are gonna roll back to. Not much use in actually playing right now, huh?

[twin spear]

or if you dont like the game you dont have to play it

[rare lintel]

anyone know what time the hotfix is?

[carmine echo]

Go practice bossing. Now if the time to practice for free

[formal moon]

The devs aren't criminals they just fell into the trap most game devs have.

[spare elbow]

Good time to just fk around w gear ic its gonna roll back anyway

[eager olive]

"at some point earlier today", so if they're sticking to UTC any time in the past 22 hours will be the cut-off point. And yeah, just go in and mess around with your best gear knowing you'll have it back tomorrow morning.

[light coral]

Has the game rollbacked yet???

[timid tiger]

The roll back still hasn’t happened? I assumed when they said that they were doing the roll back lol

[twin spear]

they said with the hotfix which hasnt happened yet

[inner sundial]

Goblin necromancer confirmed

[rose flower]

Where is the Notfix

[torpid oxide]

are there no patch notes for the hotfix or has it not hit yet?

[subtle heart]

why cant I trade??

[remote flicker]

I assume it’ll be later in the day for the US. If the devs haven’t announced it’s happened yet why keep asking😭

[tepid scaffold]

trade its bug?

[rare lintel]

trade is disabled

[true mason]

The next hotfix will be available on November 2 (UTC).
well they got like 2 hours

[lunar summit]

None of us have the willpower to not dupe

[fallow chasm]

theres duping?

[inner sundial]

Cuz u need to be over 18yearsold

[remote flicker]

Then wait 2 hours😭. Take a nap or smth

[subtle heart]

just issue a refund urself..?

[ionic geyser]

so why cant we traid?

[lunar summit]

Yeah, there will be a minor rollback with this hotfix it's in #📢announcements from this morning

[eternal frigate]

has it rolled back yet? can i play or am i just gonna lose everything i get?

[peak trellis]

so did rollback happen or no?

[twin spear]

trade is disabled becuase of a dupe bug

@peak trellis no rollback will be with the hotfix which is happening within a couple hours

[vapid oyster]

can you Einsteins read the damn announcements

[remote flicker]

ATP I’m just thinking anyone asking if the rollback happened is trolling

@vapid oyster preach

[steel radish]

yeah been waiting all day still no rollback?

[restive brook]

typical ironmace fashion

[ionic geyser]

@twin spear thank you

[valid prism]

STILL NO ROLL BACK !?!?!?!?!!

[small blaze]

game unplayable atm

[subtle heart]

Game is dead. I have thousands of gold, but you wont let me buy a longsword. Iron mace worst company alive. U fools raised grey long sword to 17 gold a pop. 35 gold at times. You choose to take the only thing away from me that i love. Let me buy long sword i wont play game without.

[vapid oyster]

...lol

[heady current]

Can I die with bud and just wait for rollback?

[remote flicker]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

[pseudo grove]

chop chop little asain twinks get tis patch in here

[valid socket]

What the fuck are you even saying you goon?

[subtle heart]

thats a post worthy of the name

[rose steeple]

omg patch is in 10 minutes!

[marble tangle]

The patch already happened 2 hours ago. Nice try, nerd.

[pallid tree]

eat shit

[subtle heart]

being in this chat is like being in the projects sometimes

trader wont allow for you to buy a longsword with random rotations. trade is down. they increased the price of longsword over patches and made it do less dmg. they made it less accessible. only way to get good with the weapon is to run it hundreds of matches and when u do get good they dont allow you to just purchase it from vendor.

[zenith fractal]

dude will do a charge back and get hit with a charge, credit fraud is a serious matter, you cant just decide you want to retract payment for goods you have already used, its like trying to charge back a meal at a restaurant after you already ate, just because you didnt like the taste

[mellow mortar]

??? They show up in my weaponsmith all the time

[remote flicker]

Excuses check

@ashen temple there was a duping bug so they disabled it

@pallid tree nah

[ashen temple]

Trade not working for anyone else?

[pallid tree]

people are mad cuz they are bad at the game, also did rollback happen?

[wild marlin]

is it just me or do spears almost never show up in weaponsmith?

[pseudo grove]

how to dupe?

[subtle heart]

pay someone from china to play game for u

[mellow mortar]

I feel like i dont see grey spears often, i do see an acceptable amount of longswords tho despite what the other dood was saying

[pseudo grove]

hurry my little asian twinks and type away on that keybourd and get this damn patch out im tweaking china ruin my game

[rose steeple]

Trade me im doubling all items and gold

[fallow chasm]

can i have your thousands of gold

[wild marlin]

spear is always there when I dont need it, and never available when I do

[eager olive]

I mean, just wait until greys are in stock and buy up 20 of them at a time like the good old days when the selection was even smaller. If you're just looking to train it's not like you need greens/blues

[opal breach]

bro got the whole gen chat laughing

[mellow mortar]

Me when needing rapiers for my bard or pavises for my fighter

[uneven ermine]

china numba 2 cus they play with doodoo

[subtle heart]

i have waited over 2 hours and no longwords

[vapid oyster]

vendors rotating weapons has always been how it worked

[hexed burrow]

If the devs can't even get the time and date right for the hotfix...what hope is there?

[eager olive]

It's a hassle sure. But it's a relatively small inconvenience. I make sure to buy 3-4 rapiers on my rogue when they come up and I have space for my inevitable naked runs 🙂

[heady current]

so i cn just us my bis set and if i die i get it back with roll back?

[remote flicker]

Do people not know what patience is? Or does everyone has a short fuse

[cunning coyote]

@grand obsidian @lofty fox @eager rune

[eager olive]

everyone on the internet has self-diagnosed ADD. They literally can't even. Back in the day they got weeded out by natural selection - unable to bear the horrors of having to wait for a show to come on TV at a specific time they'd be weeded away from the genepool. Today, technology has removed this selective pressure.

[lofty fox]

@cunning coyote?

[pallid tree]

If you dupe you should drink things under your sink

[restive brook]

The devs could write a Bible size story off how much people type in here

[remote flicker]

Bruh i have severe adhd and I’m perfectly fine waiting for them to announce the hot fix

@restive brook preach LOL

[mellow mortar]

Sometimes ya dont get lucky, just keep at it capn, also remember to check your other characters, they love to sell weapons i like to characters that cant use em xD

[wet crow]

Why does it take them forever to do literally anything in this game?

[robust cradle]

Still no patch or roll back

[heady furnace]

Hey guys I would love your guys opinion about a re-work for bard. I would love your guys oppinions. Bard right now is really stat-sticky and I wanted to stray away from that and give each instrument a more defined role/strategy so that you dont have to be whole one man band. Sometimes its okay to just carry a lyre 🙂

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ch6Lb5bc1AD2Y1Tv7lIV1Rdu9qb52LTVYBoQlTDK06M/edit?usp=sharing

[torpid oxide]

Where the game you made?

[eager olive]

ADHD is the real condition that has nothing to do with being able to be patient.
ADD is what Karens self-diagnose themselves with to excuse their crappy behaviour 😉

[median hearth]

Another game another glitch glitched in door nice every time someone chasing me always go tru doors and i stuck in XDD GOOOD GAME 4x times XD

[zinc totem]

there it is

[fallow chasm]

well would ya look at that

[young tide]

oof

[hearty star]

Wait the dead game still has a dupe bug? Crazy

[remote flicker]

That’s the tism, then. Add also exists it’s not as bad as adhd. But true tho

[native verge]

14 days? Might as well dupe also next time

[viscid kite]

ur mothers dupe game has a dead bug, buddy

[viral nova]

but why people dupe ? there is no even +3 AA items to dupe , dupe is such wasting of time , gear doesnt matter anymore

[robust cradle]

I’ll be strapped to a chair, all I had to do was join the mob and they post it

[drowsy delta]

ban them forever!!!

[vapid oyster]

Players found to be exploiting the bug will be banned for 14 days. 

get fucking rekt

[keen path]

what is the hotfix content ?

[zinc totem]

the diagnose themselves so they can get legal meth, adderall is way too op. esports should drug test for adderall imo its literally steroids for the mind

[pallid tree]

Ban for 14 Days? kick them the fuck off forever

[zenith fractal]

Dupe keys, obtain Uniques ???? PROFIT

[eager olive]

don't know, but I'm hoping a complete removal of bardic pants from the game. Seriously, seeing them on a skelly champ gives me PTSD

[robust cradle]

haiajananaksnals wow ekqnfbw NEW LIZARDMAN RACE

[vapid oyster]

Clarity Potions no longer drop as loot in the dungeons. ok now I'm mad lol

[dreamy flame]

What? 😅

[remote flicker]

I never even taken adderall. I took this shit called concerta. It was absolutely trash. But yeah the adderall individuals who can’t play a game without one is crazed

[iron oak]

Lizardmen are going to be interesting, and YES DWARVES!

[vapid oyster]

what what?

[dreamy flame]

Is that a thing, or someone is just trolling 😄

[robust cradle]

this update is going to be crazy

[zinc totem]

i took when i used to play apex for money, got second place in a irl tournament. Got 100 more points on my SAT just by taking it no additional studying. im in aviation and the shit you have to memorize goes easy with it. Its just not fair imo. Reaction times and thought processes are sped up. There is now a shortage of adderall in the US due to how many people are on it now. Its like the limitless pill. however its potential for abuse and long term effects are awful. Just know what you are getting yourself into.

[pallid tree]

Everyone keeps saying nerf the ranger anf they just buff it. i guess i know my new main.

[wooden coral]

@humble wyvern We got what we wanted

[vapid oyster]

there's an announcements channel and you're welcome to read it for yourself, idiot

[shell cedar]

get ready for a bow meta again

[sleek dome]

wizard nerf hell yea

[lethal flicker]

LMFAO THESE PATCHES

[main raven]

Some pretty interesting changes here

War Mauls get nerfed for like the fourth time lmao

The Buckler/Cutthroat changes are pog

[young oxide]

looks funny when they trying rise the game 😄

[compact mantle]

Holy mother of nerfs. RIP Cleric.

[robust cradle]

is this a wizard nerf or buff, because if they increased resting time we should see alot more 10 spell wizards

also no voip, sad

Rogue has always had a hand crossbow perk @half vessel

[sand jackal]

bard songs buffs and debuffs should be tied to instrument rarity. No point having a grey drum if the buff is going to be the same as a purple one

[pulsar pebble]

Interesting changes. I love half of it. Questionable about the other half lol

[mild lily]

trade not working

[half vessel]

Did I read that right? Rogue gets crossbow????? lmao

[sleek ridge]

cleric just dead, shrines got nerfed?

[remote flicker]

Clarity lots not being in dungeons is kinda borked but everything else I like. We love it.

@zinc totem when I took concerta I had the same reactions I just turned into an emotionless zomboid creature and threw up soon after the effects wore off

[formal moon]

Another rogue nerf, wow cool exciting

[shell cedar]

wait no voip???? I miss something?

[limber verge]

"Other issues we’ve tried to address in hotfix #19 are the unsatisfying loot and the buffball meta. We have now improved the quality and amount of loot in the dungeons." big WIN. I am laughing at everyone that says that it was a good change.

[iron oak]

Where does it even say that?

[restive brook]

w changes but cleric with a spellbook?! naaaah

[dense solstice]

Why must you continually fuck rogue I don't get it

[unreal obsidian]

speed shrine got a 90% nerf lol.. they don't believe in small changes do they? lol wizard is completely nerfed at this point.. useless lol

[vapid oyster]

rangers buffed in multiple ways, wizards nerfed in multiple ways, brilliant patch lol

[compact mantle]

??? They buffed everything for Rogue except the double jump. Which, imo, is great, cause trying to catch any rogue with double jump on Ruins was literally impossible.

[twin magnet]

LETS GO MY KIT IS BACK

[short valley]

no voip, great now i get to just be killed by giga chads and not even get the funny moments with random players inbetween

[robust cradle]

man shrines have been nerfed into the ground

Wizard got decent change, with that increase in spell recovery there might be alot more 10 spell wizs without relying on claritys

[pulsar pebble]

Everyone got nerfed except rangers. They actually got buffed somehow

Im interested to see how it plays out. Lol

[eager olive]

I'm ok with most of the changes but why on earth is RANGER GETTING BUFFS?!

[thorn frost]

shrines are useless now? why

[wooden ridge]

Taking shrines and beeing a lightbulb doesnt feel worth it anymore^^

[lament spear]

HOW LONG DO ROUGES HAVE TO SUFFER GIVE US BACK OUR 5 AGI GOOOOD LORD PLEASE SHIT

[formal moon]

Not really, the only buff is daggers. +2 wep dmg on a dead weapoing (hand cross) is pointless. -20 when rogues were already suffering from the -5 base agi just deletes DJ viability

[shell cedar]

No voip is a major L
takes away most the potential fun

[limber verge]

there's just no voip in the lobby you goofball, read better

[zinc totem]

just in pre game lobby

[eager stag]

came here to complain about the exact thing. most things are fine, but the fact that ranger got away with ONLY buffs is completely insane to me

[devout yacht]

it's only during the base camp phase, not in the game. please read properly lol

[hybrid shoal]

rouge got nerfed more lol buff dagers or let us start with a rapier already

[sleek ridge]

God the devs are stupid scared of people talking. They are so tunnelvisioned on it

[vapid oyster]

so are clarity pots just out of the game? you can't buy them either

[woven matrix]

Take it from a wizard. Wizard discord is in shambles. Haste nerf ends any solo potential. Imagine most will shift, atleast solo bois

[main raven]

Speed shrine was absolutely nuts

@hybrid shoal Cutthroat is 14 seconds I'm gonna abuse the hell out of that

@woven matrix Haste was for bad Wizards

[robust cradle]

can we talk about one thing no one has said yet, LIZARD MEN

[unreal obsidian]

These devs need a solutions analyst lol.. First and most important issue.... 3 hours. during NA primetime for a patch...

[austere geyser]

Maybe on 10 spell wiz, but 5 spell wiz didn't really run haste

[weak umbra]

why its so chaotic again? like 3/4 of the nerfs are targeted at buffball but it could be shortened to "haste and invis is self cast only, cleric heals over time instead of instantly"

[modest ore]

**A new Lizardmen race has been added and can be unlocked for either 4 Blue Stone Shards or 4 Red Stone Shards. The race is available in three different colors Red, Blue, or Green. Lizardmen have a slightly flatter and elongated head requiring the normal head hitbox to angle forward to match the model. ** I cant find the lizards. I WANNA BE A LIZARD.

[remote flicker]

Yeah that’s the only thing I actually don’t like. Idk why they took them out the game entirely just now. Kinda lame

Time to watch the switch ups from before the patch tho

[cosmic quail]

so clarity pots are removed from lootdrops. do they still spawn in chests or have static spawns?

[young oxide]

yes coz only NA play the game 😄 xd

[boreal condor]

Slayer with the lizard skin is going to be prime!

[zinc totem]

looks like bard is going to be better?

[solar sentinel]

Lets talk about how all the hidden weapons and items in the files haven't been added yet, no kite shield, no broadsword, no backpacks, no sleeping bags, no lots of things. At least we got gold bags and gold chests two updates ago

We knew lizards were coming from the files too.

[molten otter]

So instead of clarity pots, they'll have to bring campfires. Still able to get spells back, but much slower gameplay and riskier.

[uneven ermine]

so still gonna have barb buff ball every lobby?

[eager olive]

my understanding is that clarities are gone. You're gonna need to warm your feet by the fire to get spells back, but the speed at which you get them back w/o a campfire has been significantly increased (to near grey-campfire levels)

[neat rivet]

Rogues got boned again XD

[sly magnet]

oe perros qlos nerfeeen su caga de ranger dejen al bardo ctmres

[modest ore]

Seriously, where is the lizard race? Cant find them in the shop. Did they forget to add them? 😛

[limpid rose]

They have less spells tho, the nerf was fair for cleric. The buffs in rogue was kinda nice, I just dont like the -20 perma in move speed by equip the perk.

[young tide]

SIXTEEN PERKS and half are redundant lmao

[remote flicker]

Rogues the second they can’t double jump with barely any penalty:

Erm did we read the same patch notes? @young oxide

[vapid oyster]

patch hasn't even started...

[cosmic quail]

they buffed the spell recharge on resting so it makes sense to remove clarity pots. same think with bard clarity regening spells while running around. i like this angle they took

[idle sky]

A patch full of W's say it aint so. People complaining about rogue nerfs don't realize that the dagger buffs are gonna be crayzy. The double jump kinda sucks but mostly Ws for rogue and ranger players.

[young oxide]

dear lord... pls learn to read

[granite mulch]

RANGERS BUFFED AGAIN LOOOOOOOOL

[solar sentinel]

you don't need a campfire, you can just sit down and get a infinite duration clarity recovery, but at half the pot speed.

@uneven erminenot without haste, no. No haste means half the buffball thing is gone, invisibility changes also kinda helps with that.

[main raven]

Spell recovery while resting is much faster now

@remote flicker Rogue weapons are buffed, they get three other class buffs and ONE nerf and people are saying Rogue was nerfed lmao

@jaunty briar Honestly, I don't think Clarity pots should exist at all

[shadow roost]

So... HR still pointless? Smh

[compact mantle]

He's right tho. DJ was insanely strong for Ruins, it made Rogues almost impossible to catch if you didn't have range.

[devout yacht]

you know last patch they got major nerfs from the stat changes right?..

[jaunty briar]

Sorry, have clarity pots been removed then now?

[eager olive]

Yeah as a rogue main I'm not too upset - interested to see how good the kris in particular is going to be going forward. Makes hand crossbow more viable too as an option. I WOULD like to see some of the garbage perks merged tho (pickpocket + hidden pockets being an obvious one)

[weak umbra]

so basicly buffball is still the same, now with +75 armor after every kill its better, even after no haste on barb. ranger is buffed and slows more after nerfing his slow from arrows like a week ago ( ) and items are worthless again because they will drop all the time

[fallow sail]

it's over....

[vapid oyster]

ranger buffs are complete lulz, guess I'll play more ranger

[limpid rose]

People are complaning for what about rogue? The buffs were good, with exception the double jump debuff, everything else was nice to the class and probably we gonna see more rogues building stileto. But they should bring back the damage bonus in weak point.

[young oxide]

yes but when they gonna take that perk they have whole time -20 MS...

[quaint cairn]

is the hotfix happening or already happened

[solar sentinel]

the patch wasn't applied yet, learn to read. The queue should be down now, start in half an hour and the patch complete in hours from now.

[uneven ermine]

game wont be back up til about 10pm EST

[glass wagon]

wtf is dread hood

[molten otter]

One thing I'm excited to try are the changes in animation for Battle Axe and Viking Sword. VS was already okay if you were running WarMaul as a primary. But BA was never fun, even against PvE.

[crisp marsh]

I’m looking forward to trying out ranger and rogue after the hot fix

[compact mantle]

...Okay, they'll still be faster than most other classes, just not as fast. Now you just run away with no weapons out instead of your rapeir out, problem solved.

[eager olive]

I suspect Battle Axe buffed, viking sword nerfed. Don't get too excited 😉

[neat rivet]

You clearly don't play rogue

[snow badger]

Why would they make lizardman not have a helmet slot.... So dumb. You are literally losing so much on any class for that. Lizardman without helmet as any melee class is just a brain dead move

[gaunt galleon]

ranger mains rise

[jaunty briar]

all round solid patch, not sure i love the lesser heal nurf, the resst of the cleric nurfs were great though. just dont take double jump, and wizard damage is going to me mor einsane though

[eager oracle]

Invisible potion + camp in gob caves meta for barbarian yeeee gonna take some kits

[fresh marsh]

Why the flying fuck am I reading ranger buffs? Are we being serious ?

[main raven]

Probably good for Wizards since your hat sucked anyway

Also, the other races aren't supposed to give you an advantage

[shadow roost]

Right? Why didn't they leave bow buffs out lmfao.

[warm briar]

WTF WHY GUT HASTE AND NOT TOUCH RANGERS DX

[whole geode]

they just gave our hat magic power tho lol

[woven matrix]

How do warlocks feels?

[remote flicker]

Rogues when they can’t double jump and avoid every attack thrown at them:

Please read the notes y’all have been buffed PLEASE😭.

Rangers are back tho we love to hear it. It’s whatever tho who cares, aiming at legs isn’t consistent either way

[limber atlas]

#server-status

[solar wave]

https://www.twitch.tv/newtoitlol

[potent marlin]

why the FUCK did ranger get buffed? do they want the game to die?

[humble wyvern]

ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME IN THIS CHAT, KNOW I AM HARDER THAN A ROCK IN THE DUNGEONS RIGHT NOW!!! LOOT IS BACK BABY!!! THANK YOU IRON MACE FOR DOING WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE!! ❤️

[livid onyx]

Glad they made goblin caves and ruins the riskier maps for escaping

[eager olive]

you're missing out on the best part of the patch. "Debuff Duration Bonus" now working properly. Clerics are going to become functionally immune to warlocks and rangers this patch.

[swift thorn]

Good removal of Haste. Cleric was nerfed way too hard. Why is warlock being buffed, it is free for them to cast spells nonstop with magical healing.....

Removal of clarities just increases the lame sitting gameplay.

[weak umbra]

basicly you can pay 4 shards for 15+ armor on 1 class, and then miss all the rolls from a hat so its trash anyway

[devout yacht]

rangers got major nerfs last patch. pay attention lol

[snow badger]

They just changed the hat to give magic power.... sooooooo still an L. Warlock hat gives Magic heal now too so thats also an L. Annnd ranger hate gives Str so also an L lol. Rogue hat gives STR or All Atts so even worse.

[clever pagoda]

NERF BARD AHAHAHAHAHAA FUCK OFF

[main raven]

when nearly every class gets buffed and people still complain about ranger

@swift thorn Cleric nerfs are to counter buffball. With the resting changes, I'd almost argue that Cleric is actually more cracked than before: you just can't make someone unkillable for 8-10 seconds now.

@limber badge Ah, another salty Rogue DJ player

[shadow roost]

Yup, should've nerfed it even more. I don't want to play CS2 in Dark in Darker, thanks.

[limber badge]

There ain't no way they nerfed double jump to have a -20 move penalty at all times lmfao

[fresh marsh]

And they did barely anything to gut the real problem in the game which is barbarians. They buffed half their abilities like holy crap

[ionic flower]

Yup the perk is useless

[potent marlin]

bro fuck off yall know damn well rangers are OP

[thin patrol]

double jump nerf is a buff if you think outside of the box

[dreamy jay]

Wizard dedd

[vivid olive]

they pooped on clerics kinda too tho. they dont want to destroy classes completely, just nerf buffball

[severe panther]

Inferno Set
did they just add Inferno as a basic map

[prisma cape]

bro these devs are actually on something, more ranger buffs, welp when this game dies no one can say it wasnt the devs fault

[limpid rose]

"Cleric was nerfed way too hard"
Nah, cleric was OP, the class is suppose to be a support and they have everything consistently:
Physical attack, magical attack, ranged magic damage, healing, protection, decent PDR, aoe magic damage. The class was doing too much.

[clever pagoda]

Buffing barbs, nerfing bard, they might mistake the last letter huh?

[main raven]

^ this for the love of God anyone who thinks Cleric was balanced is insane

[neat rivet]

yeah it's a DJ buff like losing both your legs gives you more leg room on airplanes

[devout yacht]

lmao, that's a massive reach. CS is instant precision shooting. DaD has travel time, missile drop, shields, heavy emphasis on lighting, much slower rates of fire, and so much more. No aks to 1 tap either

[formal moon]

[vapid arch]

wdym -5 base agi? when did they do that

[fresh marsh]

The problem with buffball wasn't the cleric it was the unkillable barbarian with 250hp that could tank an entire team for 15 seconds before needing to be healed. Clerics you kinda had to build acertain way they couldn't do everything at once. You had to pick and choose.

[remote flicker]

Time to truly earn the name most hated. I get to play surv now ranger now

[shadow roost]

This is true when it's one ranger, but there's always like 3 rangers, and then a rogue throwing daggers and a barb with 12 francisca axes in the inventory, then the fighter with a crossbow, and then it's CS2

[limber badge]

Rogue is all about movement, making him take a -20 movement penalty at all times is huge

[analog vigil]

they nerf rogues what a complete joke

[dark sluice]

buffball no longer meta???

[crisp marsh]

Then dont take the perk, problem solved

[signal olive]

Y'all think the animation changes for Viking sword will stop it from hitting door frames all the time?

[subtle heart]

haste dead spell.. wizards ONLY haste for movement. GG

[thin patrol]

you should think outside of the box, if a rougue isnt movy then he should be spicy

[main raven]

With the new loot changes you can't hit these numbers anymore

@remote flicker Honestly, the buffed bows probably means Survival/Recurve more than the Longbow

@analog vigil Rogues get four buffs and one nerf and "Rogue nerfed" lmao

[granite mulch]

RANGERS BUFFED AGAIN WOHOOOO!!!!

[snow badger]

I also think its funny they finally remove weapon dmg then literally buff all weapon dmg base stats within the week. Funny asf to me.

[devout yacht]

the time to kill alone makes the two stand way apart. You could find a better comparison. Rangers can't stack their most OP stats anymore. They had longbows reduced by 3 weapon damage across the board as well. White longbow headshot was like 54 dmg, that's how much a starter cleric mace hits the head for haha

[fresh marsh]

I promise you that wont be the case. Minor armor reductions to a few items isn't going to make up for an increased number of base stats and rolls on new items. If anything they are going to be stronger than before.

[prisma cape]

they gotta cater toward the rangers, becasue who would main ranger in game like this unless you have like a 65 iq

[violet void]

why did they killed wizard ?

[last flume]

They gave us a fresh look

[jaunty topaz]

Tangentially related to buffball so they murdered him unjustly

[swift thorn]

Dudes they attack buff ball by removing clarities, they want you to sit more. Screw this, waiting for Greed is Good.

[stray geyser]

lmo they buffed barb and ranger lmfao

[analog vigil]

the dbl jump nerf outweighs those buffs = rogue nerfed... idiot... weakpoint is still garbage

[fast pecan]

can some one tell if there were talks about mana for caster classes?

[sharp pivot]

make wizard beard longer the more knowledge you have

[shadow roost]

Well yes, but you are hitting as hard as a starter cleric mace across the map, and it slows, and by the time someone runs to you they have been hit 4 times, and the only counterplay people can think of is "don't fight them". Sure, another comparison: Call of Duty. Don't want to play that in Dark in Darker either!

[remote flicker]

We love it🤭. Imma use surv bow and longbow to slow anyone rushing me into the dirt. It won’t be consistent but whatever who caress’s

[sage juniper]

Whens the shitty game coming back on

[main raven]

This makes a lot more sense than the majority of your damage coming from the clothes on your back, though

@fresh marsh Since when where these base stat rolls increased? That's NOT what I've seen

[limpid rose]

Excited to see the new Kriss animation, I really like the weapon but the old animation was ass after the first attack.

[eager olive]

PSA: Cleric has had an insanely stupidly powerful buff with the debuff duration add-stat being fixed. With protection from evil even on a relatively crappy kit you'll be able to get complete immunity to all de-buffs (warlock DOTs, wizard DOTs, weapon hit slowdowns (including ranger shots with leg-shot perk), rogue/goblin poison, rupture).

[charred violet]

lizardmen are gonna be extremely op or its just me ?

[twin magnet]

increase haste duration and invis, with the nerfs already put into place

[neat rivet]

Would you rather have ten 5 cent raises or one 2 dollar raise? Four inconsiquential buffs mean nothing compared to one significant nerf.

[limber badge]

Depends on that hitbox change, but yeah it could be broken. Or it could be like Elites from halo where it's even easier to headshot lizardmen.

[zenith fractal]

only if that head hitbox is tiny

[fresh marsh]

rolls on items are going to be higher again like in the past. It will make up for anything they lost and more.

[keen willow]

the nerf to double jump is hilarious might as well remove it from the game

[mild lily]

servers are completely down? when are they gonna be back up

[compact mantle]

Nah. Maybe for Wizards or Warlocks who already had kinda shitty headgear. 15 armor and mr isn't that much tbh, and you can't use it for melee characters cause losing that headshot reduction is way too much to lose.

[devout yacht]

yea, only nerf the ranger should get imo now is to remove or significantly reduce the slow on hit mechanic. It's already oppressive enough being hit from far away but on the other hand, crypts and gc have some tight corners in most modules to keep them from feeling too oppressive with it

[iron oak]

Depends, they can't wear headgear which is important for high tier sets, and their wierd hit box may make it easier to get headshot or harder.

[main raven]

Imagine thinking Rogues should be able to fly around the map with zero consequences whatsoever. It actually takes skill to be that delusional.

[snow badger]

No head slot is a massive joke and it takes about two minutes of logical thinking to realize missing a piece of gear is massive nerf in a GEAR BASED extraction game

[shadow roost]

Very true I'd be good with that.

[lunar summit]

minus 1 slot is sort of brutal, I'm not sure 15 armor makes up for it maybe on a slayer fighter? always at 0% headshot reduction?

[jaunty topaz]

So now Wizard has literally no way to deal with dudes that just W+M1, what a joke lmao

[eager oracle]

minus slot is brutal but you will see lobby full of naked lizardmen now when people dont run gear which will be hilarious

[open lintel]

slow if the only option now but at the same time 12 agility and no haste is a joke.

[limpid rose]

I still think that weapon damage should be only viable in weapons and rings or pendants, this way max they can get is a +6/9 If they get +3 in all.

[marble tangle]

At low gear, it's not so bad.
Higher gear? You're missing an entire slot worth of rolls, lol. It's awful.

[eager olive]

not a big fan of the ranger buffs, ngl - but the debuff duration bonus being fixed is going to go a long way into reducing that particular aspect of ranger being annoying.

[wraith goblet]

RANGER NEED A NERF WTH ARE THEY DOING

[winged elk]

i am not a big fan of rangers. period

[keen willow]

its hilarious that rangers are like 50% of players and they get two buffs and no nerfs lol

[main raven]

This is why Instacast Wizard is the best playstyle, as you can solve this issue pretty easily with an instant Fireball/Lightning Strike.

It also just got even better with the huge rest buff. Hell, Haste giving spellcast speed is gonna make you a walking Bradley

[wispy sleet]

So no increased magical damage scaling like weapon damage for rogues and rangers even though haste and invis is nerfed?

[opal patrol]

So glad holy strike nerf spell was cancer

[shadow roost]

If the head is angled far forward though, you can probably do some jank movement to make people miss headshots. Prob gonna get fucking owned by PvE though lol.

[long rain]

Morrowind Pog

[pure beacon]

Just out of curiousity. Lizardman is not worth it right ? Just despite the fact he is missing the head gear slot which is alot of stats gone imo ? Or am i missing something there ?

[lunar axle]

Achilles getting a buff is insane no?

[iron oak]

Am I the only one who when I think of Lizardmen in this game they will look like skyrim argonians?

[hexed dragon]

Cleric nerf unneccasary

[gentle kayak]

ranger buffs and bard nerfs lets gooooooo!!!!
its another dark and darker patch lads!!!

[lunar summit]

I guess we'll have to use it in game to find out. Maybe solid for eco / default runs or something but it seems bad

[remote flicker]

Rogues gonna run elf race now for the agi it gives 🤭

[cold spire]

🇷 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇷 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇷

[open lintel]

12% cast speed is nearly useless, if it doesnt scale 1:1 with magic power or something then its going to get swapped with slow every time.

[vapid oyster]

wizard nerfs and ranger buffs is so cancer

[neat rivet]

Rogues aint gonna equip the pastey white race that glows in the dark

[limpid rose]

-1 str isnt worth at all.

[frank hill]

you get to play as a lizard my boi, who gives a shit about a helmet

[jaunty topaz]

what's even the point of charging up a spell that "increases spellcasting speed" by such a minor amount when I could just charge up the other spell I want to cast anyway

[main raven]

actually delusional to think this is the correct take

@open lintel The action speed boost also increases your spellcast speed because it makes the spellcast animations faster. I think it's gonna be stronger than people think.

[devout yacht]

it became pretty useless. Seems like they didn't touch the damage but increased the duration? So will do the same amount of damage across a longer amount of time. They need to put a buff duration on it to eventually wear off. Being chased endlessly by a barb with it up is rough

[marble tangle]

Morrowind and Dark Souls! But yeah, Morrowind pog lol. If you've never given TES3MP a try, you 100% should. Multiplayer mod for Morrowind. Get a fun lil group together, and it's amazing.

[opal patrol]

Iizard rogue op. Also thank god holy strike nerfed

[copper star]

everyones going to be getting out at that first gob portal that spawns in 2 min now lol

[weak umbra]

sure +15 armor is better than +2 all shadow mask with additional rolls

[thorn frost]

the new species sounds like its gunna be super easy to headshot in melee combat, maybe allow it to at least wear cloth headgear?

[hexed dragon]

How? Because you were getting owned by a support class? because noone in your stack runs support?

[burnt olive]

How is this balanced when barbs and wizards get nothing but buffs

[delicate sigil]

brooo they struck down on the whole game ^^

[maiden palm]

I need explanations to the constant bard nerfs

[open lintel]

in the time it takes to cast haste and then use the haste to cast another spell i could have cast a spell and a half already. i dont think its going to be terrible but im going to use slow and intense focus instead. the new resting buff is an indirect buff to intense focus too.

[iron oak]

Dude they genuinely mentioned looking into adding dwarves, imagine dwarf rogue who are able to dodge easier by being literally shorter.

[thin patrol]

wizard spell nerf isnt a spell nerf if you dont use invis and haste anymore, think outside of the box people, dont be silly, think smarter like me

[devout yacht]

they're trying to address the buffball meta

[opal patrol]

I was mostly trolling I think it's going to be funny seeing a lizard double jumping around

[main raven]

Imagine thinking Cleric was just a "support" class. Couldn't be me.

@open lintel Yeah, Slow will probably be better for kiting purposes, which I'm kind of excited for since no one used it for some reason

@eager olive Free Magic Healing on the Occultist Hood is cracked

[eager olive]

everyone malding about ranger buffs and cleric changes, but nobody sparing a second for our poor warlock friends who are now a dead class

[potent marlin]

they should just remove ranger and add a gunman class at this point

[ebon ginkgo]

Thank God for buffball nerf! Also thank you for nerfing wizards bullshit haste and invis wahooooo. Praise the lord for loot drop increase as well!

[keen willow]

no rogue in their right mind is running double jump they completely nerfed it out of usefulness

[jaunty briar]

didnt they get buffed?

[hard wharf]

when is hotfix gonna be over

[frank hill]

they should put a tag next to your name in game, showing that you cry a lot.

[mortal talon]

Why do buff shrines exist if they aren’t worth the time it takes to activate them? Lol

[pulsar pebble]

They were way too strong before. But instead of nerfing them....make them luck shrines for better drops

[open lintel]

i been using slow for the past week and im surprised nobody uses it, its a pretty good counter to barbarian/buff ball since you can just wait out their rage while out ranging them.

[thin patrol]

double jump nerf isnt a nerf if you dont use double jump

[deft vector]

ya but if dwarves get added that means gobs can to. I look forward to stabbing the nether regions of others.

[thorn frost]

torture mastery makes you take double dmg from spellcasting now

[main raven]

I think Slow + Ice Bolt combo is also a meme.

@thorn frost From how it's worded, I think this just applies to Curse of Pain?

If the spell costs were lowered across the board it might still work if it doubled damage from all spells though

[eager olive]

double health cost for COP/POS if you've got torture mastery equipped. Debuff duration bonus stat being fixed means it'll be kinda trivial to reduce ticks from warlock DOT by like.. half. Occultist hood having some free magiheal (which you'll need to give up all atts from shadow mask for) won't make up for that in any way

[faint hull]

I think cleric needs more of a nerf tbh

[iron oak]

YES Goblins, though will they use the same goblin models or a different model and say its a different species.

[lucid heath]

keep base voip in normals but make the change in HR, i wanne talk about dumb stuff with others 🙂 and maybe hear the almight moans

[rough storm]

everyone keeps saying "buffball meta" this is just an excuse bad players use when they get rolled. id rather whatever this "meta" is instead of rogues running over everyone in the lobby on repeat

[long rain]

I have! It's worked really well but I didn't get far when I played with friends. I want to start up our playthrough again and try some of the mods like Tamriel Rebuilt.

[jaunty briar]

ah i didnt realised they fixed that, RIP

[devout yacht]

the devs are using that phrase as well lmao

[pulsar pebble]

What rogues? They got nerfed too. The hell you even talking about?

[charred dagger]

Removing VOIP in pre lobby is so silly! NOOOOOO

[deft vector]

hobgoblins

[remote flicker]

I’m gonna have fun player ranger now. We love to see it🤭

[ebon ginkgo]

Thank god voip is gone, same with being able to see a players name in lobby.

[open lintel]

i think most of the update is good but whyyyyy nerf wizard of all things

[whole star]

How are we to acquire clarity’s now?

[main raven]

There WAS a buffball meta. It was basically your only Ranger/Wizard counter

[marble tangle]

Buffball. That's the answer, lol.

[smoky seal]

The spell recharging ability is a big wizard buff... I think wizard will be slightly weaker in individual fights, but will be stronger overall, right?

[modest aurora]

Should have faster PVE clear id think with more spell regen etc

[jaunty briar]

From ho wi read it, wizards will have more damage etc, but wont have haste and inivis will be nurfed

@devout scaffold the changes to the wizard gear for more spell power/damage?

[slim estuary]

Cope

[thin patrol]

stop hating this game, its still an early access game, you choose to buy an game that is not fully out yet!!!!

[junior flicker]

without haste giving speed boost he's 5X less useful but probably will still be viable.

[devout scaffold]

where are they getting more dmg. they only get better recovery

[keen willow]

i still think its crazy that rangers got double damage buffed for no real reason they are already incredibly oppressive and annoying

[main raven]

I still don't believe Wizards actually need Haste to be good. Intense Focus allows you to run without Haste easily

[eager oracle]

Ranger were actually at a very good place balance wise, now theyre OP again. My main complaint

[pulsar pebble]

Yea thats the only major part of the notes i raised an eye brow at. 5% is ALOT of damage on a longbow lol

[smoky seal]

Rangers got huge longbow nerfs last hotfix. A 5% buff isn't going to return them to what they were before.

[lofty mica]

LIZARDMAN RACE HYPEEE

[craggy dagger]

doublejump pretty much useless now right

[vapid oyster]

rangers got a tiny longbow nerf last patch, it was like 3 dmg on blue longbows

[floral heath]

when do the servers go up again

[brave dawn]

lizardman is a ranger counter, smaller frontal headshot hitbox but easier hitbox for melee

[potent marlin]

I think the best balance they can do now is have a forced all ranger lobby if you queue that class. we shouldnt have to play with that OP class

[swift thorn]

haste was the problem, u made clerics worse at healing x(

[limpid rose]

I demand a perk to lizardman where I can equip a dagger in the tail and have a extra attack.

[burnt olive]

We should rename this game to ranger and ranger

[rough storm]

they use the phrase because the community spams it on repeat all upset they got stomped out like a fire in a lobby. My boys and I have been running barb cleric fighter and stomping anyone we come across. I dont see a buff ball meta. maybe it exists but maybe you just cant play video games well

[open lintel]

i think that the only thing the spell recharging thing meaningfully changes is less time sitting and i will probably never use meditate, its nice that the spell recharge time is better but without haste to help kite enemies its an annoying change.

@marble tangle buffball could have been stopped by just making it last longer on self cast and less when casting on other players. this change to haste is probably bad overall.

[fallow sail]

Dire need of hiring someone who knows how to balance

[fiery heath]

@thin patrol but the fact is games now a day don’t ever really come out they just keep updating and making changes

[jaunty briar]

🇷 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇷 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇷

[dusky salmon]

yeah bro lets just remove ranger entirely fuck that class and if you ever played ranger before you are banned permanently 😈

[winter goblet]

did loot and levels reset?

[thin patrol]

think outside of the box

[main raven]

Buffball is meta because it's easy and you need very little gear to do it.

@pulsar pebble Honsestly I'm hyped for any and all Survival buffs lol

[timber root]

Sounds like my ranger has been giving you guys trouble. Sorry for taking your gear.

[pulsar pebble]

The issue is the 25% leg slowdown on rangers. A survival/recurve bow shoots so fast that a ranger can likely back peddle, shooting at legs and keep the same distance forever gonna be a nightmare for anyone with less movement speed lol

[eager oracle]

If devs want to make a game where you play as a bonfieid rouge or a ranger travelling the landscape should make a separate game feels like theyre trying to make the class an entire RPG experienec but that makes it dominate over other classes with versatility

other than that everything looks great esp lizardmen

[smoky seal]

I think now it's just a big rat thing and not something you'd take if you were team fighting.

[unborn barn]

NEEED LIZZARD MAN ART NAO

[clear sun]

gotta love the move speed class being gutted for its movespeed dj was fine where it was lol

[marble tangle]

No, I agree that this is a weird direction to go for Haste. I'm interested to see how things will play out. My friend just said "It's the Wizard Slow meta now." lol. Probably true. Instead of Haste, just spam Slow.

[idle wren]

cope

[floral heath]

when did the servers go down? how long ago

[potent marlin]

not hard to do with ranger. default gear ranger can kill any class no matter their gear *easily

[tribal badge]

scalies are eating good with this patch

[lunar summit]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/horde-lizard-man/questions ?

[open lintel]

been using slow for a while now, its good but it could really use an extra half a second or something, especially with this haste change. you wont be able to kite anymore.

[pallid loom]

that cleric nerfs auf

[upbeat haven]

found the buffball player

[fiery heath]

@thin patrol I see I just remember when you when to game stop and spent $60 that’s what you got now with streamers making reviews and content a game can’t stop being created or they will loose there content creators

[keen willow]

rogue the class that is supposed to be about agility and movespeed has had all its damage taken away and now has its agility reduced and double jump gutten i guess they don't want anyone playing rogue lol

[whole star]

Does anyone know what’s happening with clarity potions?

[long sequoia]

I feel like -20 speed for double jump is way to much, and it isn't like Rouge was too strong before... Otherwise promising patch tho

[jaunty briar]

Cope

[agile elm]

ah yes bow buff in crossbow meta 👍

[last spoke]

prob buy from alchemist

[main raven]

"We are also not done experimenting and have made some drastic changes such as the temporary removal of clarity potions as lootdrops, in our hopes of addressing the buffball meta. "

I mean, cmon man, reading is NOT that difficult

[thin patrol]

I fully agree with you, they should change, innovate, become better!!!

[worldly orbit]

What do you guys think of this ranger buff ? Legit or not ?

[warped raft]

its slowly being phased out of the game, like i said before whiners will not be happy until rogue spawns in match already dead with a good portion of your stash on it for them to loot, pretty soon rogue will not have perks but all penalties lol

[magic shale]

Ranger's Crippling Shot perk now has the additional movement speed penalty applied to the target increased to 25% instead of 15% when shooting a target's legs.

which dev decided these were good changes? normal shit .1% increase or .25 seconds 1 armor rating... all these are fucked lmao

[vapid oyster]

it's a complete joke and I'm going back to playing ranger lol

[potent marlin]

fat L for the game as a whole. theyre begging us to download the alternative knockoff games. not sure why they want us to do that

[fiery heath]

Rouge ranger meta again!

[blazing zealot]

Rip wizard buffs

[shadow roost]

Fully idiotic

[pulsar pebble]

Likr 90% of the patch notes are good (or interesting). The ranger bufds though...

[rugged needle]

W PATCH

[clear sun]

devs are ranger mains which is why they gotta keep us rogues down and slow enough for them to hit us while we run

[unreal edge]

Wizard is going to be actually useless now

[devout yacht]

hopefully

[candid kite]

soooo they basically don't want anyone playing wizard anymore right?

[restive radish]

rogue double jump nerf sucks and shrine nerfs make them have no point to be in the game anyways

[olive escarp]

what the fuck are some of these changes, like a lot are good but like, some of these are completely random \

[jaunty briar]

Ranger buffs seem a little stupid, the whole patch looks intersting for sure, im not sure i enjoy the bard nurfs again though, never seen them as a problem, is Luck even worth taking now? How much is 50 luck compared to 100?

[inner elbow]

what is inferno??

[potent marlin]

They dont want anyone playing any class that doesnt have a bow it seems

[elder creek]

hell

[vapid oyster]

it is simply tradition to nerf bards at this point

[median patrol]

Good bye bards, ranger is king forever it seems

[keen willow]

the game is just going to be fighter and ranger at this point with no other option viable

[burnt olive]

If you think wizard is going to be useless after getting two utility spells nerfed you are delusional. Where is the magic resist and nerfs to chain lightning?

[worldly orbit]

Im glad i wasntr alone to think that about rangers. Now about wizard buff nerfs do you guys think its good ?

[viral tree]

any reason why VOIP is being removed?

[glacial olive]

Talking in pregame lobbies was one of my favorite things always had fun interactions kinda sad its disabled

[fading root]

Greed is Good enters EA in 3 days, give this company some competition please

[clear sun]

most of the patch is good whoever buffed rangers and nerfed double jump needs to be fired and publicly ridiculed

[devout yacht]

yea people are dumb, they got magical power on what 3 of their items now? Those chain lightnings gonna hit even harder now

[untold tide]

I do not agree with the VOIP removal in camp

[subtle heart]

VOIP romval in camp needs a revert wtf???

Does +15 AR actually make much difference? The Bard and Cleric skills/perks seem mostly useless.

[jaunty briar]

I legit will probably pickup GiG, its a copy paste, probably cheaper too

[manic walrus]

very tired of solo wizard having to pay the price for buffball's issues...

[vocal bone]

is it not voip removal entirely?

[vapid oyster]

why do people keep saying wizard got buffed lol

[unreal edge]

For real it’s actually insane. Can’t wait to die to slayer perk fighters forever cause my FOUR SECOND invisibility needs afterimages now!!!!!! 😂 As a solo wizard I am MALDING

[burnt olive]

I like how the devs are so concerned about buff ball but don't touch wiz ranger and barb. Can we please stop with the favoritism it's pretty obvious these are the classes the devs play exclusively fuck everyone else I guess

[keen willow]

slayer fighters are so opressive they hit max move speed and kill in 3 hits and now they are even stronger

[viral tree]

thats what i thought by the way it reads

[twin grove]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/490706/petition-to-have-the-devs-stream-themselves-playing-wizard-after-every-wizard-ne

[warped raft]

this is only happening because it resembles a rogue abilty...sorry bud

[limber verge]

yeah its cheaper like generic cheez-its are cheaper

[remote flicker]

Do any of the devs even play ranger?

[subtle heart]

it was part of the fun like- VOIP is good for the game.

[brittle marsh]

damn why change hast on wizard

[gritty crest]

VOIP is gone for pregame lobbies to combat the chinese cheaters that go into lobbies with multiple groups of their friends im pretty sure

[jaunty briar]

You dont think its just gonna be the same game with differnet balance? could even be better right? wont know until we try

[vocal bone]

same if so thats kinda weird and unnecessary

[carmine vigil]

It's still in the game, just not the pre game lobby

[manic walrus]

reall tired of solo wizard having to pay the price for buffball's BS

[devout yacht]

ranged is way more op there and the dev's don't care about feedback, they just want your money. enjoy

[vagrant path]

because hast and invis no longer belong to the wizard, they are measured as buff for others. they really just need to nerf wizard buffs on other players and let me have my fun haste invis back

[warped raft]

whats to stop them from just organizing on a discord, in fact i would think they are doing this anyways, i never hear them talking in game other than to troll i think they turned it off to keep those ignorant asshats from dropping slurs before each match

[main steppe]

wtf is the deal with solo wizard being reamed out with ever patch.

[limber verge]

well Im certainl not ever downloading it, even if I get mad at what the devs do here they arent some sham chinese company stealing all my information like GiG is

[pallid tree]

Weapon damage has been increased for daggers, swords, bows, and polearms? good job Devs, YOU JUST NERFED THE BOWS! thats stupid as hell, i guess we know what those pricks play as

[keen willow]

my no-kill rat rogue looter has been gutted by double jump nerfed why do they nerf things so hard that they are no longer viable to use

[soft river]

Inferno change is massive

[naive seal]

This change is targeted at the US teamers, and stream snipers I’m sure

[subtle heart]

IP ban the cheaters??? like what why take it away from everyone else-

[gritty crest]

more like region lock and then ip ban cheaters, you are right tho it shouldnt be gone for everyone

[jaunty briar]

Why tf do you think china cares about your info? xD

[limpid rose]

Man... Any class can outrun the supposely AGILITY BASE CLASS in the game, thats kinda sad. hope the daggers buff be worth it the shot in the knee.

[west cove]

How can’t you be so mad at a video game just quit the game

[main raven]

Rogue is a hard class to balance. It might not even be possible

[remote flicker]

Like every other app he owns doesn’t have it

[soft river]

Give the Chinese restricted access to other servers, problem solved. They have their own servers in games for a reason. The VOIP and player name changes will help a bit.

[oblique spoke]

lol

[limber verge]

idk, I just wont sign off on giving all my information to play a garbage remake of a game

[uneven ermine]

china has a social credit score you dont need to ip ban just lower their score lmao

[cold reef]

The Devs stated awhile back that they will balance for teams and not for solos. Sadly this means there will be some classes that will not be suited for solo play.

[agile elm]

duo map going from fighters with crossbows to fighters with bows, thanks devs

[manic walrus]

straight up why don't they just do this
why should wizard even be able to make other people invisible or speed buffed in the first place? because lore? because "strategy"? I'll tell you what it really is: BALANCE. NIGHTMARE.

[sudden mesa]

solid reading patch

[jaunty briar]

How do we know its garbage and a sham company was it already in EA somewhere?

[wise gyro]

ranger buffs? really?

[long radish]

If they’re going to balance the game solely for trios they need to remove duos and solos

[main raven]

They're considering teams and solos now

[bright pike]

Uh this patch looks lit tho?

[pallid tree]

how about you go back to your hole you crawled out of

[warped raft]

it was always an easy class to kill, its the annoyances that cause it to get the nerf bat so much, 1st it was hide, now you have a -%30 to buff duration so you have to beef that up to actually have any hide time, sacrificing other stats to do so, then it was double jump getting nerfed to a MS penalty, not its not even a perk anymore but a penalty lol cause everyone complained they could not catch them, its all about instant gratification with this gen of online gamers. to lazy to work for it so please nerf it so its always within reach

[warped anvil]

warlock might have a rough time again will see how mch they reduced spell cost base

[dry stump]

Holy shit. This update is going to be so good

[gritty crest]

i dont know how it plays yet, but i dont really like the graphics for it at all

@uneven ermine nah pop a couple MS things with your normal BIS and you can still cheese those jumps

[uneven ermine]

all the rogue cheese jumpers are in shambles rn

[vapid oyster]

they should just admit double jump was a mistake and delete it

[keen willow]

double jump wasnt even that good it was only for running away im so confused why it specifically needed to be nerfed to the ground so no one would use it

[cold reef]

Don’t see how they will be able to manage both without having separate balance changes in both areas, but more power to them is f they are able to pull it off. I’m honestly quite happy with the way this game is progressing

[main raven]

I'm pretty sure Rogue ONLY got buffed until EA, though. Hide used to be 40 seconds, and it was a full fckin minute at one point.

Double-jump didn't exist until PT5, and its addition has broken the game. They should fix DJ by removing it entirely.

[bright pike]

I mean, we get MHeal on whites in a slot that couldn't get mheal before, and costs reduced even by 1 is a buff for naked/low-gear warlocks 😮 I'm super excited to play warlock tonight

[limpid rose]

They could leave the penality at -10, but -20 all time is really heavy. People complain about not being able to get the rogue, but the rogue cant facetank nobody like a barb, isnt because of this the devs should bump str of the class to 20. The decision to make the -20 permanently was really dumb.

[smoky coyote]

seems like barb is still gonna be op or am i missing something

[warped anvil]

torture mastery doubling spell costs tho ? and we need torture to get healing in the first place

[crisp marsh]

No, you aren’t missing anything

[leaden gale]

Would anyone else appreciate if the woodsman had hand crossbows in stock more frequently? even the junk ones so rogues can get some range without having to prowl for crossbows on Trade 80% of the time.

[vocal bone]

idk maybe they dont want warlock to just have infinite heals anymore

[uneven ermine]

YES

[jaunty prawn]

Ranger's Ranged Weapon Mastery perk physical damage bonus increased from 5% → 10%.
Ranger's Crippling Shot perk now has the additional movement speed penalty applied to the target increased to 25% instead of 15% when shooting a target's legs.
bluds really thought people wouldnt notice the buff to rangers

[gritty crest]

triple BIS rangers is going to be EXTREMELY viable now

[warped anvil]

i could understand removing the ability to heal off hydra but i hope mheal is easier to get cause it was so mandatory before after they removed all the additional magical damage

[stark hollow]

besides Ranger changes what are the overall thoughts of the patch?

[devout yacht]

1.6 weapon damage to 3.2 weapon damage from a PERK hot damn, what a buff! They just got longbows nerfed by 3 across the board so they now need a perk to get it close to what it was lol

[crisp marsh]

Time to take out the survival now and leg people to death

[viral tree]

no one runs crippling shot in the first place. gives more incentive to run survival bows I guess

[soft river]

Wizards got quite a massive damage buff haha. rangers be careful of those fireballs

[warped raft]

its all about pure laziness, everyone wants to W key and thats it, the proof is in the pudding, the vast majority of complaints stem from people not being able to easily get what they want, so the complaining ensues until it becomes a reality, the rogue is one of the if not the THEE easiest classes to kill and yet no one stops complaining about them because they might have to chase one down to do so lol well not anymore lol you got your wish now rogues will truly be about looting and nothing else cause they the only class that loses out big time on the gain/sacrifice principle that none of the other classes really share in any meaninful capacity

[formal cedar]

to long. didnt read.

[subtle heart]

I hope the lizard men are hot

[gritty crest]

TLDR: people like W key, rogue cant take face hits, also the other TLDR

[subtle heart]

Wizard dead. Lets all play ranger. No bard nerf btw.

[pallid grove]

Cleric can't restore spells unless it's campfire now?

[marble tangle]

The tldr is; Waa people complain. I'm complaining that they complain.

[unborn socket]

Why stop cheating if it’s only a 14 day ban

[pallid loom]

cleric 3 small and 3 big heals... wihtout crazy gear its so weak

[jaunty topaz]

Fighter and Ranger meta or

[devout yacht]

wizard not op anymore? what's the next op class for a noob?

[marsh dove]

ive been spawn killed by rogues countless times in the last patch

[red sun]

@devout yacht Fighter

[lunar summit]

Lizard people better look sweet for the stat handicap

[warped raft]

ill be sure to up my neanderthal grunts in the future for you to better understand 😉

[keen willow]

double jump only thing that kept rogue alive since half the classes can move faster and kill him in one or two hits and now dj is gone from the game lol

[bright wharf]

lizard ladies better have HUGE breastplates

[subtle heart]

I will only be playing with Lizard model enjoyers

[tacit iris]

loving the people who just know X class is dead and unplayable with 0 seconds of playtime this patch xD

[subtle robin]

Kinda weird they keep nerfing bard over and over.

[devout yacht]

nah, rogues have always been the fastest class. Was literally outrunning my fighter sprinting at them. Now they can't endlessly kite you while being naked. Everything is becoming right in the world

[uneven ermine]

someone gonna need to start dirty lizard content now

[smoky pike]

so when will game be live again?

[mild lily]

when servers fonna be back up

[bitter wyvern]

im gonna be honest it kinda just seems like every update they do now just makes more and more ppl leave

[warped raft]

they know what they are doing to phase it out, as of now you have to give up all of your good stats if you want to use hide and double jump, basically making them well not rogues anymore, so take away hide and double jump and you are left with a wet paper bag that cant really do much outside of stealth tactics

[crisp marsh]

Never

[limpid rose]

When a barbarian will stop to one-shot any squish class? When Warlock will stop to endless healing from 10 mobs? lol.

[subtle heart]

you're a fighter lmao

[keen willow]

if you think rogues outrunning plate fighter is bad you are delusional but slayer fighters outsprint rogues every day of the week rogues have been in a really bad spot for awhile and now they are even worse

[bright pike]

The need for healing is less, thus helping out low gear warlocks. And if costs are all dropped by half, then the doubling doesn't matter. And if they aren't then well... good thing we can get mheal in a new slot I guess? Haha could be rough depending on the numbers or just purely a good thing

[devout yacht]

yea true, rogues were king for too long. Glad they've been brought down to needing skill again

[main steppe]

great work on wizard, keep nerfing this fun class into the dirt so it's unplayable and cannot ever escape

[signal osprey]

i love the weapon reversions lol

[loud urchin]

they need to add more races

[jaunty prawn]

Riecheck back to trolling. remember this is the man that thinks you can drop aggro by using hide and should use protection pots to take hits while opening doors

[high sapphire]

pickpocketing feel like the only way to make money rn

[lunar summit]

daggers legit needed love. I'm not sure about the rest

[hard thicket]

FREE THE LIZARD!

[marsh dove]

rogues can still ambush for big damage and retreat with tumble tactics, hit and run still viable

[barren ingot]

"We want to thank our fans for your extreme patience as we experimented with drastic balance changes during the last week. We have had a lot of internal discussions recently and realized we made a mistake by acting too hastily with Hotfixes. We want to apologize to everyone for the hasty decisions and we’ve decided to stick to our original plan of starting low and slowly building up"

(Proceeds to make 500 changes in 1 patch) Make small ajustments and not so many of them or you guys will forever be testing if you go 0-100 or 100-0 everytime you try to balance something

[mild lily]

anyone got estimated time on when servers are gonna be back yp

[subtle heart]

Riecheck just a troll.

[warped anvil]

it actually hurts greys more because now they wont have access to healing and that slow trickle to death as the game goes on is going to hurt more and more

[marble tangle]

Rogues should be able to scale any wall, and latch onto it however high they want to. They should gain free invisibility if they do this.

[keen willow]

wow so you are delusional rogues do no damage no have no mobility and need 15 different perks just to access their class we need a perk to invis a perk to poison a perk to have range a perk to double jump a perk to pick locks rogues are so bad right now and they just got even worse if you were dying to rogues this patch you are bad at the game this dj nerf is beyond stupid

[low spire]

Warlock was hard nerfed?

[arctic nest]

W8 so rangers got buffed kek

[warped raft]

muted them long ago 😉

[devout yacht]

nah, just only reading the first couple words of what you write because you're not worth my time. Dirty rogue player

[jaunty prawn]

they really thought people wouldnt notice lmao

[loud urchin]

we getting any new customization stuff in the future that we know about

[limpid rose]

I was reading the hotfix more calmly and another detail important is that most of the armor rogue use got their move speed penalty increased, lmao, bruh... I really hope the buffs carry the class now, because If you hang on move speed... Youre really fked.

[copper rain]

honestlky a huge L patch

[bitter wyvern]

how so? curious as to your opinion

[crisp bluff]

Time for my machine gun wizard build 😎

[keen willow]

rogues are barely even viable at all in any capacity now the devs clearly despise the class since all the fun of rogues is being sucked out of it

[pearl sundial]

Nerfed everything, catered to people who complain & Gear rolls are still shit

[warped raft]

lol why i said pretty soon rogues wont have any perks just penalties
@limpid rose yes, and they know this, its how they respond to the community and rouge just leave a bad taste cause they are a thinking class

[jaunty prawn]

nahh, some questionable decisions yeah, but they got a lot things right. ranger buff was unnecesary

[bright pike]

Still don't know the numbers. It may not hurt grey healing at all, or not as significantly as feared. They'll have access, its just a matter of how quickly you are able to heal from it. I can see a world where PoS is the main healing tool for peopling running caster greys.

[copper rain]

the cleric changes are kinda iffy tyhe shrine changes make them almost useless the haste change wasnt really needed casue it made wiz have actual survivability and the ranger buff makes most non pdr classes useless

[whole geode]

cope cope cope

[woeful plume]

I seemed to have missed the part of the notes where they address the armies of gold sellers killing off lobbies of players.

[warped raft]

people would lose their shit if they made the rouge tough enough to toe up to the other classes without needing hide and dj mechanics to do so

[umbral moth]

Is resting like...sitting down or only campfire

cause 51 spell slots after 6 seconds from 16 is um...REALLY FUCKING BIG

[devout yacht]

wizard haste/invis combo was insanely overpowered against most classes. Needed a nerf 100%

[high sapphire]

why tf did they buff achilles?

[primal oasis]

so whats the point of invisiblity if you arent invisible the whole time its active? rogue should have an afterimage of them every 1.5 seconds too. gg wizards find a new class to play until they break that one too

[bright pike]

Then you are really bad at reading the announcements. And outside of there, dev claimed over 100 were banend just earlier today alone.

[warped anvil]

power of sacrifice always was if you were not brain dead and even half costs puts helfire and any of the bigger spells in a tough spot and relying on life drain suucks

[peak crypt]

@main bronze use a hatchet not viking sword and you’ll swing faster

[limpid rose]

Rogue can only walk 10 steps and cant run or repeat the invisibility for the next 30sec, lol, you cant really compare.

[bitter wyvern]

thx for the insight! you as well@pearl sundial

[crisp bluff]

Challenge: Find a normal GC lobby with less than 5 rangers. Difficulty: Impossible

[warped raft]

ok so by that logic rogues should be able to move as many steps as they can in the allotted skill timer and can do so at normal speeds, no crouching or walking either

[umbral moth]

it still gives you the movement speed and you can blame buffball for the nerf lol

[high sapphire]

40 seconds to get back too

[jaunty prawn]

by far the most significant change of the patch. crazy how they try to pass it like it's nothing by throwing it* in a little text line

[jaunty briar]

3 hours

[primal oasis]

i agree with this as well

[manic walrus]

rogues are still the most mobile class in the game by far
they are not and should not be high dps pvp gods

[winter pawn]

2 more hours, roughly

[naive seal]

Non pdr classes kill ranger in seconds, ranger has to aim for a skill shot, other classes need to get in range. Which is harder? Both classes will kill each other in seconds

[peak crypt]

Invis will still be great because it will be move speed to run away. Anyone with good headphones already tracked the wiz really well.

Also the afterimage might have some sorta buff duration scale factor or something so it might wind up being more of a nerf to invis when cast on characters with lower will

[umbral moth]

like....this makes wizards not necessarily need to run meditate and clerics can get their spells back by resting quite easily

Also the bard encore change is actually....kinda big. Cast next song at max speed? does that mean it acts as if your physical action speed is at the cap???

[limpid rose]

Thanks god, now you have to use your buffs correctly and dont just spam them each 30 seconds, lol.

[uneven ermine]

rogue is naturally supposed to be DPS.

[jaunty prawn]

fighters are the most mobile. a slayer build fighter catchs a rogue 100% of times. you're delusional if you think a rogue can outrun them.

[primal oasis]

so what is wizard supposed to do for speed now? they are so slow without haste?

[manic walrus]

no it's supposed to be burst damage, not dps carry
@jaunty prawn I said mobility, not movespeed. however, even so, rogue and ranger both outrun sprinting fighters unless they're light armor/slayer

[jaunty topaz]

Invis and pray the enemies are timmies with NA aim

[devout yacht]

cast 2 or 3 spells and kill what's trying to kill you instead of running?

[fiery heath]

Why won’t they make the change when your resting you can move items around in your inventory because it’s like if your camped you would be checking your loot? Any thoughts.

[jaunty briar]

Die to the super speed/ slowing fighter

[tall crest]

I have this odd feeling that if they reverted all balance changes to pre-lawsuit steam open alpha's, a large portion of fun would be had. The biggest problem they are missing is the maps. It is not a pvpve game, it is a pvp game with lazy AI sprinkled in. Maybe that's what they want, but then why place more than 1 exit? Players should have the ability to be cautious and by being cautious avoid the majority of fights. They'd likely need to add fixed extracts and remove the closing pubg circle (which i'm not saying they should, I can't think of any other way to reduce forcing PVP into the game). I've played a lot, but the #1 complaint I get when I play with friends is there is no room for "dnd" style play, where you can DECIDE to fight, or DECIDE to flee or DECIDE to hide, it is always a forced fight over portals to get all 3 players out. So yeah, I think the balance is the wrong approach and if they improved the map scale (maybe 3x scale, with way more open terrain) and gave more interesting encounters on the map then every room has a goblin, people would be more invested. I've probably sunk 1000 hours in, and I love ruining peoples day by abusing the gear system, but most people aren't psychopathic like me and just want to loot and have the option to fight or evade.

[warped raft]

correction. if they dont use any of the penalizing perks or upped -speed gear they might still be mobile but, again to do this they will have to sacrifice any stats that will make them able to fight efficiently, no other class has a gain/sacrifice paradigm like the rogue does now

[naive seal]

Build speed like everyone else?

[umbral moth]

even in DnD the rogue isn't suppose to be the class with the most DPS

that would go to Wizards and Fighters generally (and clerics but ignore that)

Rogues however are the ones that can hit and get out

@primal oasis invis...or ya know....instead of focusing on speeding yourself you slow the enemy...or just, learn spacing...Rangers have been able to stay back and they move even slower with their bow's penalties lol

[limpid rose]

Any class can probably outrun a rogue If he pick double jump now. (I almost dont pick, so make no difference to me). Im more bothered about the game become a Ranger Fiesta, I really gonna make a break If the game become a call of duty of rangers, wait till the next patch If is the case.

[uneven ermine]

not true lot of wiz gear has +MS maybe gray kit wiz might be slow

[formal moon]

They really aren't. Almost every class or team comp has something that makes plate wearers just as fast if not faster

[brave storm]

2 days until greed is good 🙂 fawk this game

[light surge]

anyone elses launcher still say under maintenance?

[subtle heart]

slow has a cast. please dont compare ranger spacing to wizard spacing. Wizard is mid range at best not long tange like ranger.