game-discussion

[agile hornet]

which color is "rare"??

[limber badge]

Unfortunately no, you could try running a repair if you're using blacksmith launcher. But it happens randomly to me.

[pallid kestrel]

No coin purses in normal lobbies is just dumb. I had a completely full stash and was locked out of entering normal dungeon because I accidently had an empty coin bag in my inventory I couldn't get rid of

[lilac flume]

Just take empty coin bags in grey gear. And go for a normal run. Then leave the match immediately ?

[trim ravine]

yes

[long relic]

had it happen twice in 1 game, and still made it out with my kit somehow

[pastel pewter]

Coin bags count as rare and above now

[marble tangle]

Blue.

[manic wren]

can we all do ourselves a favor and stop using bows/crossbows on fighter? its so damn op because they can shoot ranged and also destroy you in close range. actually dumb

[pallid kestrel]

Can bring blues into dungeon, just not purple. For some reason coin pouches are counted as purples. So if you have an empty coin pouch in your inv and no stash space you can't queue normal at all (bag cant be vendored). Feels like a big oversight

[pulsar pebble]

lol Sure, take away my ranged so a wizard with 350 movement speed can kite my 260 plate fighter EVEN more 😄

[nova orbit]

Do rogue poisons only work on daggers? The desc. doesn't mention it but I only notice the green aura daggers and not rapier

[limber badge]

Sheesh man I can't believe clerics avoided nerfs, such a strong class. Solos you can stomp with smite/buffs and in trios it's a pool of HP to your party.

[serene ledge]

is it normal for the blacksmith client to update every time launched?

[fossil rapids]

If decay is being added to the top 100, those who got their placement earlier will have a harder impact of the decay than someone with a clean slate that can snipe top #1 of leaderboard before reset. Is that possible with the new system?
And vice versa, with being placed #1 on the leaderboard and peaking at a high avg score, playing will then cause you to lose your lead and ruin your avg score. Eventually decay will play a part in letting other players catch up, but until someone threatens taking their #1 spot their isn't much incentive to play HR.

[primal oasis]

so the solution is to make it boring as fuck to open regular chests cause its literally not worth it

[placid belfry]

mob aggro in this game is absolute dog shit @zinc sparrow fix this mess

[tight dove]

so why the fuck can i not install this game

[fallen kayak]

there's no point this ranger nerf is the weakest shit ever. please. im sick of dying to two body shots to ranger wearing all green gear with plus 3 weapon damage. and there's no point to gear restrictions when u can get plus 3 weapon damage on greens and blues.

[kind osprey]

fuck people who fake being friendly, 4 deaths in a row i want to die irl

[long garnet]

Just kill them

[foggy anchor]

quick question to anyone but does the perk "thrust" on rogue work for rapiers and dagger? or just daggers????

[placid wing]

#dnd-content message Esp ?

[grim yoke]

deserved

[manic walrus]

Yes but also that's part of the game and the devs seem to want to keep it that way

[grim vessel]

Don't let anyone get close enough to hit you is the trick. If someone wants to be 'friendly' I tell them 'ok, but don't walk close to me'

[kind osprey]

JuSt KiLL ThEM, yea fuck trying to be a decent person. im going to die myself irl, im not spending another 8 hours to get gear again.

when did I blame anyone @grim yoke

[grim yoke]

blaming everyone but yourself. grow up and stop grabbing for attention

your blaming other people for not wanting to be friendly in a pvp heavy game??? tf you expect @kind osprey

[tardy spade]

That’s not a bad thing for sure

[long garnet]

Is the queue bugged, not wearing any epics but cannot join Normal?

[deep birch]

Are YOU epic?

[amber nest]

I have looted my fourth set of cobalt +damage plate from Crypts
I think it's pretty safe to say this 'gear cap' has failed completely, it'll be interesting to see what data they pull from it
honestly not sure what they expected

[sour moth]

Anyone have the email address to contact Ironmace Support Team

[subtle heart]

what's up with the fully stacked all blue squads clubbing seals in norms, something's definitely changed from prior playests

[rapid vapor]

You can only take up to blue into normal games. So the best thing to do is take full blues now

[kind osprey]

i didn't blame him for not being friendly, i'm just sick of being back to zero. these patches that reduced gear availability have been awful and it's going to go back to 80% of people running greens and under while the rich are still just rocking purples every match

[subtle heart]

is HR no longer profitable though? ran a few games and it's back to back 3 mans just perma roaming for pvp wiping out a bunch of nakeds then leaving. i'm guessing the new meta is just farming players in norms as opposed to actually playing with HR

[novel viper]

Man, I can't wait for the development team to fuck this game over more. Next, why don't they just offer cheats to players, I mean there isnt any anti-cheat anyways. Not to mention the total and complete lack of balance between weapons, classes, shit even abilities. This game isn't even ready for Alpha, let alone release.

[kind osprey]

they just nerfed HR this patch, HR last patch was great

[ancient karma]

blah blah blah just play something else

[brisk mason]

Ill take no pvp over the first game my team played we got against toddfather and tadpole abusing buff ball. Yet ironmace nerfs bard again

[smoky seal]

Hmm... after this loot change, is anyone finding high roller not even worth it? Or am I just a bad looter?

[glass trellis]

im so confused by high rollers do you not spawn with you teammates?

[cobalt comet]

Good news is, next update when they revert back from this update will be good again, remember its two bad updates, then revert to something old to make better again, this is our cycle

[dense hound]

crazy now im getting ddossed ever since i killed some kid from this shit game

[thin fulcrum]

i havent played today but it doesnt feel too enticing right now..they should just make armor rating and games based on that.. If this is the route they taking.

[smoky seal]

I'm paying 75g to get into highroller and finding like... 100 gold of treasures, and running into full teams of purples that are just killing everyone. At least before the risk was worth the reward. Now it doesn't feel like it.

[brisk mason]

Yep my team payed 100g per and went in with good gear. Just to run into one of the top streamer teams playing buff ball first game and it being an impossible to win fight

[smoky seal]

The weirdest part is the gear change for normal is just out of touch. BIS gear for rogue/ranger one shot builds is just all greens with +2 weapon damage.

[glass trellis]

someone please explain how high rollers works cus theirs no comms spawn seperate and no teammate icons

[brisk mason]

I had a 127 dmg headshot blue kit on ranger(was doing hr). And the entire norms is still filled with pub stompers. Gear cap feels like it made it worse imo. And now my geared team is forced to play a bad mode with no profit and die to the meta which is cleric wiz/buffball

[cobalt comet]

I honestly feel like the game was better when they released it compared to every single change they made 😄

[manic gull]

so like blow of corruption nerf when...?

[kind osprey]

kind of silly game stops normal queuing with a purple healing pot

[torpid radish]

Wow this update is so much better!

[brisk mason]

Im in the same boat. Pt3-5 was better than this. And still no simple content either. No quiver, no stash space, no backpacks, no enchanted arrows, no anything. But at least we have a new leaderboard nobody asked for

[smoky seal]

Or a bag of gold? I can't carry a coin purse into normal... so dumb. These last few updates have been atrocious. I actually really liked the original update 15 but Mendo got it reverted.

[cobalt comet]

That is the problem with streamers, they have influence, when they are disconnected from most of the realistic playerbase who has a life. Games need to stop catering to them. Streamers are a cancer to this game and all games. 2 worst things to the gaming industry, streamers and loot boxes

[brisk mason]

?? The devs aren’t listening to purely streamers. A lot of the times the streamers have way better takes than any of the kids in here.

[terse bison]

base rogue bare hands 106% move speed
BUFFED bard with barehands 100% move speed
rail it more

[shell flicker]

If they have epics they go into a different lobby now, right

[trim ravine]

if anything devs should listen more to streamers, why tf would devs developing a hardcore not listen to hardcore players?

[barren ingot]

Lol they made it so you cant take gold bags into raid anymore. So too bad if you had 3/4 of empty gold bags in your stash because you cannot get rid of them

[stray pivot]

Anybody else getting the error "It ended abnormally, please restart" ?

[brisk mason]

Its a small amount of people that are streamers compared to the playerbase. It leaves a lot of room for many hot takes or skewed data so its not good purely listening to em

[split stone]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[viscid thunder]

whats the old rusty key worth? askin for a friend

[kind osprey]

just spectated a literally new player barb hoarding every piece of white gear get slaughtered by a bis ranger in gob normals. how is that fair

[flat mason]

This games dead, even these new gear changes wont change player mentality. Games going to be The Cycle V2

[rustic pecan]

rangers are running rampant in solos rn, most boring class to pvp just ranging and bear trapping in full blue. dont even bother

[trim ravine]

it's not and it's not supposed to

[brisk mason]

Remove traps imo, makes ranger skillful again.(im a ranger main) all these kids do is sit in a dark room with traps and have no skill

[kind osprey]

great player retention

[flat mason]

Not even 23k plays on a Friday Night, sheesh

[velvet falcon]

https://streamable.com/groe20 devs pls

[trim ravine]

If the game doesn't mouth feed me everything I won't be satisfied. Game literally too hard to play!1!!1

@velvet falcon you were dead cross door swing or not

@torpid radish game deving isn't a referendum

[torpid radish]

because you represent a small percentage of the player base......

[velvet falcon]

who asked? and i'd be dead if had HP anyways because the mob phased through the god damn door and pincered me

[gentle merlin]

They should definetly pivot into a battle royale instead of an extraction game, just leave the loot in the dungeon and last team standing wins, would definetly fix the gear complaints

[mystic sandal]

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BAN TEAMING HOW CAN YOU HAVE A COMPETITIVE GAME AT ALL WHEN YOU ARE TEAMED IN HIGH ROLLER GOBLINS BY TWO GEAR RANGERS

[timber eagle]

gear locking the lobbies was a really bad call. Now all I have run into is triple stacked weapon dmg builds that one shot anybody they come across. Sweeping every lobby. Nice call on that one

[tardy sandal]

May as well remove proximity because whats the point of speaking with people if you can’t befriend them

[trim ravine]

Casuals don't know what's good for them. Neither do devs.

[merry sorrel]

how do u get rid of gold pouches now that u cant bring em into raid

[jaunty tinsel]

same i am wondering how you do this

[mystic sandal]

@zinc sparrow PLEASE OUTRIGHT BAN TEAMING IN GOBLINS

[marble tangle]

Trade them off to someone else, or take them into HR. It's an oversight. They'll fix it in the next hotfix.

[brisk mason]

You wait for the dev team to grow a brain

[bitter citrus]

23k is top 50 on steam right now right there with Overwatch 2 and Day Z. That's not bad at all. Especially for a game that isn't even available on any major platforms.

[remote yarrow]

Yeah. People seem to forget that only Fans of the Game actually know about it and its already a top50. If it was on Steam it would be alot more

[kind osprey]

🙄 quite the exaggeration.

also 23k player is how many bots and chinese gold farmers?

[warm basin]

Holy fuck this new item cap is so stupid...

[heavy shoal]

teehee

[jovial forge]

i love the new update!

[warm basin]

Imagine looting a bunch of items and thinking "oohhh nice next game ill bring this epic halbard" EHHHHH wrong. You cant bring that. So... I guess blue is the highest quality item now for people that find highroller sweating boring. yay...

[heavy shoal]

yepppp

[flat mason]

Imagine thinking that comparing this game to the OVERWATCH players on STEAM is a good comparison. Its shit

PEAKED AT 35K HAVE FUN IN DENIAL ON THE CYCLE, SAME SH*T DIFFERENT EXTRACTION GAME

BACK TO TARKOV/THE HUNT

P.S. WEAPON AND MAGI DAMAGE WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO BALANCE IDIOTS

These player trends are only reminiscent of two games in recent memory, The Cycle and New World

[wraith hawk]

c

[tulip hare]

anyone having issues just going into normals with blue gear on?

[warm basin]

Calling it now. this terrible item change they did will just cause blues to be pricier on the market than epics, legendary and uniques. Majority of players dont enjoy highroller and now they have taken away most of the items people were aiming to obtain. these devs had a good vision for the game, but their idea of game balance has proven to be at the level of a toddlers understanding of the world.

[kind osprey]

oh look, I died to the same fucking stacked rogue AGAIN. high roller is not worth it at all anymore and lower roller is just plagued with bis blues, least favorite patch in the game and I'll be uninstalling until next patch.

[flat mason]

Some already are

[pastel pewter]

Paying 50g for someone to take my coin puches . Please fix this asap armchair devs

[wraith hawk]

The developer isn't playing the game. The magic is too strong and the balance of high rollers is broken. I hope everyone continues to enjoy this game, which keeps getting weird updates every time. Bye.

[marble tangle]

Go into a HR match with all your coin pouches, and just suicide 🤣

[warm basin]

If the devs want to balance the issue of "good players are destroying the noobs". Then go back to the old concept. Have some maps with really bad loot like goblin cave. For most of its runtime goblin cave had 0 geared people. Towards the end of a playtest / wipe there would be the occational lame loser in rubysilver wanting to feel good because he got clapped in crypts. But generally people did not do it much because you would make 100g at best in trash caves.

[kind osprey]

please revert patch, and please put rogues in the dumpster again

[hallow topaz]

I think the change making it to where you can only bring rare quality gear into Goblin caves was the dumbest change. 1. Everyone just rocks their best blue gear now with +1 all and everything, with no real fear of losing gear cause the actual good gear is in the storage, bringing out the major blue gear tryhards. 2. I liked having a challenge when facing people with much better gear than me and actually getting a chance to improve my set. I understand people were crying because some people would go in with absolutely insane gear, but you only really run into one of those guys per goblin cave, and if you do run into more you have a high chance of both of them fighting it out.

[fickle locust]

True, either that or buff HR and make the ways to trade up coin pouches into better storage easier

[keen silo]

Love the new patch, and the tears of people angry they can't pubstomp as hard are an added bonus.

[warm basin]

Whats this about pouches ?

[kind osprey]

who cares about pubstomping when they ruined high roller. again

[graceful storm]

Pubstomping in blues is ez

[verbal scroll]

I probably should have expected less from a game that is being developed without a single asset producing team member. When people asked "are there going to be more playable race cosmetics?" and the devs answered "tell us if you find any that would be suitable on the Unreal store", I should have realized how little of a future this game was going to have. For how long can the devs mine out and use relevent UE shop assets until there's nothing left that fits what they're looking for? Probably not too long. So it shouldn't have surprised me that instead of just releasing druid like they've spent the last 4 months implying that they would, they've instead spent the last 7 patches shuffling back and forth with gear and loot changes and nerfing my class in the most asinine ways possible.

[fickle locust]

Sorry, I meant like better coin storage like the bigger pouches or the chest you get from endless horde

[warm basin]

I dont see how that fixes the issue of geared people going into regular lobbies tbh.

[fickle locust]

Cause buffed HR gives more incentive for geared players to play it

[warm basin]

i agree that HR should be changed somehow. just struggling to see the relevance of coin storage 😄

[queen root]

You can get into regular in max blue rarity items. Thats nice, no more legendaries boulders.

[fickle locust]

The economy is pretty loaded so if HR got buffed then we’d need easier ways to store it or we’d get overloaded with coin purses.

[queen root]

you can exchange gold futher for more value "currency items" like keys, ignots etc

[kind osprey]

i am legitimately stuck in gob caves cannot move at all

[warm basin]

This wont really change much. Lots of blues can have +4 physical +3 true physical. What you will see now is simply that when you find an epic you go "oh, trash highroller gear that sell for 50g" but if you find good blues "oohh nice bis gear 800g in trade". Because people dont play highroller. So no one wants to buy highroller exclusive gear. its a terrible idea.

[fickle locust]

Or bigger bags cost more than what it can hold or a chest only found in an endless treasure pile

[queen root]

It's a step in good direction, gear driven matchmaking. Let them collect data and we'll see what they do with that. How is it not better from getting rolled by full purples with legendaries.... And people ARE playing HR. Just go to gathering halls. There are people searching for geared ppl to teamup for HR's...

[vapid oyster]

wen chainsword

[verbal scroll]

the larger storage doesn't even solve the underlying problem that it takes slots and bags to trade gold with players, even if your wealth is not stored in slots in bags. if you have 3000g in a chest and you want to buy a gold ingot for 900g, you need to buy 900g worth of gold bags and fill them, one by one over the course of 2 mins, requiring all of the inventory space of 900g worth of gold bags. so ultimately, your time and convenience is not even saved

[queen root]

get 1 gold ignot and done wtf, just think

[verbal scroll]

you can't get the ingot. your gold is in the chest and you don't have room to fill the bags 😂 anyway, don't talk to me again. you can't read

[civic osprey]

nah bro u dont understand. ppl WILL stack now blue good stuff to show them timmys that they need too learn the game instat of complayining the hole time. HR is fuckd now as an mid tier gamer u are scwreed in HR even now with leaderboard.

[fickle locust]

You have the bag that holds 500 too, I just don’t get why it’s so hard to make/find when it just holds more gold

[kind osprey]

oh thats why high roller players fucking blow now, leaderboards are back up. definitely not worth playing HR now

[warm basin]

Again gear driven matchmaking is another 0 iq move from people that never think past "i dont like good gear people in my lobby". Why would you ever want to pick up good gear in the game if we made epic gear fight only epic gear? Did you take a second to consider this. The joy of finding high grade loot and wanting to wear it, goes out the window. It becomes like highroller. Do you want to go bring your best gear and fight only tryhard trios running meta combs then loose your good gear? no. And that will mean that finding good gear no longer interests you because it simply doesn't make you stronger. finding an epic will make you strong for 1 game. But it wont make you want to wear it, because simply put, good gear just doesn't make you stronger. Good players will just run naked like the noobs and have the same level of fun as they would in good gear, because gear would not change their power level. And then the game would quickly die becasue no one has a reason to go into the dungeon. Why do you care if you make it out alive.... winning just puts you in a stronger lobby to have the same experience as the starter lobby. Dead game.

[verbal scroll]

the devs see the larger bag as "more inventory space" so they put an insane premium on it. the problem is, it's only "more inventory space" if you want to store tons of raw gold, which nobody smart is doing in the first place. if there were items which actually increased your ability to store anything, they would be rightfully worth a lot

[civic osprey]

oh u see it now Magigcal how the normal rounds will be fucked now with tryhards how dont wanna fight against the top 5% of players xD

[neon quarry]

gold bars hold more than a gold bag

[queen root]

i disagree

[warm basin]

And yet you cant present a single argument for that opinion. Because you know that what i wrote is true. you just dont like the current state of the game. And even tho i am pretty wealthy i agree. noobs fighting fully cloaked Cleric + wizard + barbarian teams are not gonna have a fun time. I just personally dont know of a good fix and neither do you.

@neon quarry why not read the message history one further message back and view what i wrote about gear matchmaking...

[civic osprey]

bro go learn the game and the maps. get out some times get 1-2 friends to play with u and safe up some gear so u can get ur expierirence

[neon quarry]

gear driven matchmaking? you que up with whoever else que not because of gear @warm basin

[queen root]

i do, everyday. Had my fun yesterday, the day before, and so on. If you you say gear doesn't make you stronger, but you whine about geared players in blue.. Meh i pass that conversation

[urban gate]

Can someone help me. There is a room in goblin caves that you have to pull a lever and drop down into. It has a pile of bones and 2 big chests in the center. The room is covered with spike traps and about 10 skeletons. How the F do you get out of that room? I've died there a lot, cant find the escape.

[neon quarry]

its not gear driven matchmaking

[pulsar pebble]

I played both HR and regulars today. Loved the new systen. In HR you know every kill is someone with gear and in nornals you can pack away some gold and get some quality pvp without it being as intense.

[marble tangle]

There's a ramp on one side of the room. Look for that ramp. Half-way up that ramp, there's a lever that makes an exit.

[fickle locust]

But isn’t that the same as just trading up for a golden key or gold ore

[warm basin]

Omg do you not understand how to click on message history? like i literally wrote a 5 line message about gear driven mathcmaking?

[chilly stone]

is it only me or the chests loot is much worse than before this latest update

[ionic seal]

They changed chest loot

[white sorrel]

What all got changed other than bard nerfs, already sad about that. Might see me running more debuffs instead even if they aren’t that good.

[neon quarry]

its not gear driven u que up with whoever else does not because of gear

[rustic tide]

Hey, one thing: if the game returns to Steam and I buy the dedicated launcher edition, does anyone know what it will look like?

[civic osprey]

see u cant even understand what we write. I NEVER COMPLAIND I CANT TAKE MY GEAR NORMAL. im complaining ppl like u will never learn. its like COD and SBBM. U will NEVER get better if u dont fight ppl better geard and more skilled

[grim cargo]

does bow scale off of strenght or agility

[warm basin]

Aight. so your english makes no sense and im not sure what you are trying to say. are you trying to say the game has no gear driven matchmaking which was never what i wrote. again read the message history of the other guy too to find out what we are talking about. Or are you saying that gear based matchmaking does not work like i described, because then you truly have no clue of what the word means...

[queen root]

i will come across better players and i can learn from every encounter. There arent only timmys in normals. Youre just salty for whatever reason. Maybe youre the one rolling purples in normals cus you like to trash defaults. Your argument is invalid.

[civic osprey]

ppl like him will never understand brother. keep ur breath for intellegent ppl to taalk about the problem

[white sorrel]

Strength increases physical power bonus and agility increases attack speed. A ranger by default has 10 strength which is -10% damage with bows. At 15 it is 0% extra damage and every strength after that is +2hp and +1% damage

[neon quarry]

its not gear driven

[grim cargo]

thnx bb

[warm basin]

Yea so you are saying the game. Currently at this point in time. does not have gear driven match making. NO SHIT. again read the conversation before you say stupid shit. The other guy was saying he thinks its a good idea, my message explains why its a bad idea to add it to the game. i never said its currently in the game. holy smokes what a waste of time you are 😄

@civic osprey well you were clearly right haha

[white sorrel]

Just a bard trying to help others but being nerfed at every turn. Not only are our support buffs nerfed but also our self buffs. Lol, what even is the bard in this game anymore? A worse rouge/fighter hybrid? With some bad buffs mixed in for some cleric too?

[torpid radish]

What a bunch of douchebags lol

[neon quarry]

ur rude

[queen root]

ye he's got his "truth" to "share"

[civic osprey]

i know sadly the big part of the com. is like him 🥲

[chilly stone]

I don't understand this. First they nerfed merchant loot, so you can't really buy blue gear from it anymore, but they said they will compensate by buffing chest loot (which was great, because you would risk going with good gear to take more good gear out, seemed like a fair trade and there was actually a point in looting chests). Now, the merchants are left nerfed with shit gear, and the chest loot is nerfed with shit gear, rarely finding green and blue stuff in big chests. How does this make any sense? What is the point of this?

[neon quarry]

@warm basin thinks im actually being serious i love soft ppl

[soft orchid]

Honestly for me Gear impact players far too much for my taste.

[torpid radish]

Loot seems pretty plentifull at the moment maybe not as overwhelming as it was prior to this patch.

[warm basin]

Yea thats easy to say after writing so much stupid shit. "haha i was just trolling".

@queen root its not about "truth to share". you could try and counter my argument but you didnt. Im simply stating very obvios cause of events that one can reasonably assume will follow the change. you decided to dodge the conversation when you realized the argument was pretty solid.

[dusk ivy]

a gold puch is higher than blue quality....

[neon quarry]

yea so easy to say when ur soft

[queen root]

"i will come across better players and i can learn from every encounter. There arent only timmys in normals. Youre just salty for whatever reason. Maybe youre the one rolling purples in normals cus you like to trash defaults. Your argument is invalid."

Just like before. Git gud. Stop whining

[torpid radish]

Home slice give it up... do you argue with everyone like this? let it go it doesn't matter. You are not going to change his or anyone else minds they are already made up.

[manic walrus]

BRO WTF this naked level 1 warlock ran up to me with a torch and blow of corruptioned me IN THE HEAD FOR 80 DMG

[placid belfry]

they dont know what theyre doing

[neon quarry]

yea he seems to know everything lmao

[regal pivot]

i love it when someone spawns near you on ruins and rushes your spawn and wrecks you

[warm basin]

You didnt write that to me tho. so im not sure how you expect me to know who you are talking to.

I am rolling epics in normals but only because they ruined the good old naked boi meta. But you cant really say that because i roll epics in normals i prefer that state of the game. its simply that everyone else does it so you have to. But you never made an argument for why gear driven matchmaking wont cause the exact changes i wrote.

[last elm]

HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET RID OF GOLD POUCHES IRONMACE

[civic osprey]

never

[elfin wedge]

Can anyone explain how will vs magic damage works? Like, how much will=how much magic damage?

[queen root]

WIth naked boi meta i can agree. They will. If you split matchmaking it will be a range of gear. The point is to bring the best. It always was. What do you really want with this to be done ?

[blissful fern]

pouches are unique, rip

[civic osprey]

u can go HR tho just pay 100 G to get in there and drop an inv. of gold purches. Nice change Ironmace 🙂

[terse crystal]

i just got ful hp by earthquake holy !

[neon quarry]

overall this is worst patch yet

[warm basin]

Yea but remember what i wrote. if you bring the best with that system you have to fight people with the same grade of item, probably better stats too. But you wont feel stronger. it will make the game more fair. But it will kill the element of the game that is "finding good loot and finding enjoyment in doing so". Because good gear no longer matters if you can have the same level of fun just running naked. I know i 100% would only run the bare minimum gear to stay in the low lobbies. i dont like sweatty trio combos. The most enjoyment i had in this game was back in naked meta with 3 naked rogues. I even made a youtube video called "the naked rogues".

[coral lily]

Are there rollbacks again?? 😞

[outer sparrow]

??

[dusk ivy]

idk the whole no purples in free lobbies is dope

[neon quarry]

blues and greens are just as strong as purps.

[chilly stone]

I didn't wish for it to be overwhelming, but I did hope we will still get more often green/blue gear. From my personal experience since this last patch, in 4 goblin cave matches, i only found one green hat in around 5-6 chests opened per match. the rest were gray. Considering they nerfed the merchants, they should have left it like this, since you need a way to find blue gear afterall, and you take a risk gearing up for a match. Unless they want us to go only naked in matches and grub, which I think is a boring strat

[junior folio]

can some barbarian shed some light, what perks, skills and weapons should i use in gc and groups? :E

[white sorrel]

Imagine being able to do this but +15 movespeed was too op on bard so now it’s 9, oh and +20% to attack speed was too op to and is now 8%, oh drums moving at 13m/s move that on down to 10m/s or less idk. Definitely balanced now as a slower rouge with less healing and less attack speed than a slayer fighter and worse buffs than a cleric

[queen root]

Nah bro by gearscore i didn't ment it's rarity only. Score is a score like 350. It has to weight each of parameters like item grade, additional bonuses etc. I know that's lame, it just splits the same sweaty gearmaxing for the lobby lvl you feel comfortable with. Yet i still don't see your answer for my question. What's your idea for the solution ?

[raven talon]

gear restriction needs to be removed from ruins/crypts... cutting off 80% of the playable game beacuse you have 1 purple in your inventory makes no sense

[dusk ivy]

thats a lie and cope for wanting to stomp on greys

[harsh blaze]

are the "We nEeD gEaRsCoRe" - guys already crying about it?

[neon quarry]

how so

[warm basin]

Yea and that is better than grade based matchmaking for sure. But it still poses the big issue i highlighted. Who wants to get good gear if it makes you fight people with good gear. you wont feel any "improvement" when you bring better gear. the game will feel the same. so the joy of good loot dies. the purpose of going to the dungeon dies. It will just be a battleroyale of people running 0 gear to fight 0 gear, because the competetive level is the same, and you dont risk losing anything. More to the point i would argue the low lobbies are the most fun because there is a temporary "i found an epic weapon we won this one boys" feeling to the low lobbies, that dont exist in the geared lobbies.

[deft linden]

So if you find something purple in the match you cant put it on??

[teal river]

u can

[wide bluff]

#FreeEpics

[neon quarry]

This game going downhill pretty fast

[dusk ivy]

so my recurve bow with +2 agility, true dmg, and 2% physical dmg is as good as my +2 weapon dmg recurve. ok

[queen root]

So you have not idea what to do ?

[warm basin]

I said that 4 messages ago to be fair mate. not sure if you just only glance at my messages 😄 i read yours fully.

[neon quarry]

@dusk ivy no weapons are different I’m talking stats on gear sorry if I didn’t say that. Weapon damage needs to be fixed as well. But warlocks have +17 magic healing without purps that’s a bit op

[honest pasture]

when creators of this game balance the differences between AR and MR, so that there is no such absurdity that a warlock with a white longsword, or a cleric with a stick on smite kills an endgame gear fighter with a hit or two? Why in this game magic power/dmg as easily accessible as weapon dmg when AR is 4x easier to achieve than MR?

[dusk ivy]

warlocks are just op in general. gear makes insane differences. i dont see how u cant think so. most blues and purples come with at least 1 stat in the %s which is wild

[terse crystal]

lol this game needs alot more then gear score . Gear scaling is crap. Kinda only game mode i want to play anymore is goblin cave. Ruins and Crypts is crap. Pub stomp heaven and same teams rolling people over. HR leaderboard is bunch of wierdos who get off killing poor geared people . Not everyone has time to farm full kits and stuff like that . I think maybe less gear relient and more skill. I tell you what i bet those same people who have all the time in the world to farm kits and run down lobbies probably feel like they are the best player na lol. I watch few people and 50% of them are decent the other half is just gear and being carried .... Is this fun I did enjoy this game. None of my old friends wants to play this anymore.

[honest pasture]

warlock with movement speed+ flame walk= you are unkillable unless ranger kills you with one shot. This is the worst, stupidest messed up balanced game since lol beta.

[zenith cave]

Ooh, has the purple restriction reduced the price of some items?? Some stuff seems way more affordable now

[lapis haven]

Purple Requires HR runs, HR runs aren't really worth the effort, so no one wants the purps. Now all the BiS blues are 1k gold so yeah

@terse crystal No duh? Leaderboard means "He who needs to go touch grass" wants to kill you simply for the sake of killing you

[honest pasture]

Instead of Nerf class, make order with gear, the fact that you can have shoes with weapon dmg, or a cap with movment speed, is absurd. If you do not change this, you will never achieve a balance between classes. Bard with light clothes all with armor ratio roll kek. Movment speed wizzard/warlock, 50 str rogue, 50 agi barba etc. This is main problem in this game.

[brazen finch]

Why no rogue uses backflipinator it's real fun

[placid belfry]

accidentally blocked friend in trade chat how do i unblock???

[kind osprey]

300 MOVESPEED CLERIC OUTRAN BY FULL ARMOR BARB FAIR AND BALANCED GAME

[brazen finch]

there is block list top right i believe or in a add list i don't remember

[severe saddle]

does anyone know if its possible to get 3 dot on curse of pain warlock?

[golden pasture]

Guys we reduced rangers projectile speed by 0.000001% he is nerfed 🤓

[lapis haven]

so you have base Movespeed, and you're getting outrun by someone with a buff to their speed from an ability...yes?

[kind osprey]

i was running at 302 movespeed, and even after rage ended they were able to keep up with me. As a no gear barbarian.

@low harbor as in they had all gear equipped. not a shirtless barb.

@lapis haven they had a shirt on. with base heavy boots. they had gloves, helm, shirt, boots. they were not shirtless. my shirt was lighter than theirs. I was stacking agi

[low harbor]

How can they have no gear and full armor?

[lapis haven]

weapon away, and they have no chest piece...so yeah, they tend to be able to keep up/be faster than you in your gear.

I call shenanigans that you're geared yourself (just full slots) and still at 300. Agil stack on a cleric? k?

[brazen finch]

it's hilarious, got away from a squad with backflips

[kind osprey]

I was geared. agi pants with +5ms, +2 ms book, adventurer boots (+6 base), a chaperone, and a +movespeed amulet and +1agi rings, oracle robes (-5 ms) and leather gloves (+1 agi)

[honest pasture]

well, recently I had a match where barb with axe in his hand caught up my naked rogue, without weapon. The idiocy of this game goes beyond any concept, because the creators did not think to make a partition that clothes serve only to protective and give res, rings are responsible for stat, shoes for movment speed, weapons for dmg. Everyone can tune in whatever they want, I recently played a Warlock under flamewalk on HR goblins, no one can kill me because I have 330 movement speed, I heal on my own Hydra, and no one will approach me because flame walk kills them. Movment speed Wizzard in garbage gear from trade can suddenly you become a killing machine and also no one will stop it and the cost of such builds is a matter of 1k+

[golden pasture]

@zinc sparrow Nerf ranger damage not his projectile speed I get one tapped to the head by blue geared rangers lol it’s sad af

[signal osprey]

that hardcore/unforgiving tags on this game are starting to feel outdated

[lapis haven]

You people do realize that the only way to get data of similarly geared players in PvP is to forcibly limit gear interactions....If you're upset about a patch to test changes/get data...stop playing an Alpha state game?

@kind osprey so you want HR to just be empty again? neat

[remote flicker]

guys this update is fire 10/10

[hallow topaz]

agreed

[hoary isle]

Do you play hr or naked

[kind osprey]

this update is awful, can we at least turn off leaderboards to get sweats out of HR again

[remote flicker]

both

@kind osprey wdym this update is amazing

[gusty root]

🥲😭 why are coin purse considered as rare item.. sucks

[cobalt cairn]

what difference does it make?

[honest pasture]

kek, wrote probably by guy who buy every game in the preorder from Blizzard. It is alpha, paid, lasts for a year, for a year the creators did not solve any problem, they only Nerf everything around, instead of solving problems, instead of pushing the game forward with new mechanics, since a year we read patchnote where someone lost 2 buff duration, lost 5% AR, or 10% dmg. And the problem is not the characters themselves, but the idiotic gear that can give you stats for everything on every gear element. Which means, if you've played some POE, old-school rpg, you know the mechanics, you can create monsters that are unkillable and abuse the mechanics of the game.

[gusty root]

always useful to have a coin purse with you 👍 saves space

[cobalt cairn]

no i meant like what does it matter if the purse is white or blue?

[honest pasture]

I have skill 6/10, I run a Warlock on flamewalk with gear under movment speed which I put together in an hour for 2 thousand on trade, I kill everything on HR even if they play better than me and they have gear for 15 thousand, from 15 matches without ded. It's a 10/10 game. Well balanced my lord.

[nocturne furnace]

Damn bro. you're so good.

[neon quarry]

update is dogwater

[outer pagoda]

since new update you can't take it to normal dungeon

[cobalt cairn]

you can take blue items into the dungeon no?

[worthy ocean]

There is a stash bug again game doesnt register my inventory when I extract

[honest pasture]

no i suck.. im old, without aim, and without reflection, but this game is broken as fuck.

[nocturne furnace]

I know, I was being sarcastic. You're not doing what you say you're doing.

[outer pagoda]

I haven't launched the game since update didn't tried but seems like you can yes

[hoary bluff]

anyone got a fix for the random ass crashes 💀

[barren ingot]

i smell a troll in the building

[honest pasture]

spamming Hydra, healing from it and blocking access to me using flamewalk, I am a very skillful player. I can barely change my Warlock skills fast enough.

[cobalt cairn]

wait so are you skillful or are you old and without aim? im getting mixed info from you here

[outer pagoda]

gotta have the right items alte also, i'm a dog as sht and don't have enough spell cap for flamewalk; so trust ur skills

[nocturne furnace]

Let me translate:

I got out played vs an warlock cause I probably rushed him headfirst with no plan. and now I want them to be nerfed even though last patch they were nerfed to the ground. So now you pretend you're an warlock main and are "complaining" about your "own" class. to see if someone nerfs it.

[barren ingot]

what about a ranger that just 2 shots you lmfao? flamewalk aint helping you there

[honest pasture]

My main is rogue, so just play slowly, carefully and don't rush at ranger, spamming Hydra every open door plus HR is full of cleric, and rogue now.

[cobalt cairn]

sure it can, it will clearly mark your retreat path so even if you try to slip away, the ranger will know exactly where you went. thus making you more likely to fight, its a confidence booster, really

[brazen finch]

does armor reduce work on monsters too? Do they have armor

[nocturne furnace]

Goblins got plot armor. If you try to hit them, it doesn't count. cause it's Goblin Caves. They have the main character plot armor.

[ancient hill]

i've been running into barbarians in HR that run weapon damage kits with a bunch of strength and they're pretty much unkillable and they just 1-2 tap you

[cobalt cairn]

for anyone who's played inferno since the update, how is the loot in the lions head/golden chests? previously it was always worth to buy a few lockpicks and open those chests so im wondering if the sellables you get from them got seriously nerfed or not

[nocturne furnace]

Barbarians are always 1-2 tapping you if they get to you. Nothing is gonna change that lol

[arctic iron]

is there like patchnotes or a list of the changes?

[zenith cave]

Yeah barbs a little crazy

Their biggest weakness is how slow they are- you gotta out manuever them. Now, if you find a barb that stacked agility and is faster than you, if you don't ALREADY have good positioning you're dead

[low harbor]

It's in #📢announcements

[lusty anchor]

are the footstep sounds messed up?

[ancient hill]

yeah but these guys have like 30 throwing axes, tons of surgical kits and heals and bandages, and if you get close you're done, doesn't matter what character you're playing.

[cosmic kindle]

Glad to see they finally implemented a gear-block system. No more sweat-lords in "beginner" zones. (Although, WHY they thought a gold-bag should count as high-quality, eludes me...)

[zenith cave]

That's the part about being well positioned before encountering them. Sometimes, if you're in a bad spot, the decision you made a minute ago will get you killed. Think of them like Mr. X, lol

Unless you have a shield and wanna go crazy

[mossy adder]

How is healing off of hydra still a thing lol

[wide bluff]

#FreeEpics

[livid chasm]

how much magical power is 1 magical damage?

[still kite]

I'm the only one thinking only rare stuff to do basic donjon is shit ?

[final merlin]

+weapon dmg is very toxic NGL. It has to go

[winter reef]

Is the game down? I keep getting "Failed to connect to server, quit the game"

[copper lodge]

add a new base kit mode and watch how your potato gear based game is not played by anyone, zero skill expression, only daddy's wallet flexers

[random leaf]

Im tiiired of playing vs clerriiiics

[dull shale]

getting duo'd on as a fresh kit by caped lads in gc is just delightful

[tidal scroll]

Finaly as a new player I dont get one shoted by purp geared guys in normal. This change is needed badly

[unborn vigil]

stop looking so dangerous bro, they had to

[ancient hill]

is it just me or is the wizard REALLY bad?

[winter reef]

I keep getting "Failed to connect to the server, quit the game!". I restarted blacksmith and did scan & repair but this persists. Anyone know how to fix this?

[kindred valley]

someone also has the problem to connect to server?

[winter reef]

<@&988703997378584596> any word on the server issues?

[kindred valley]

actualy i could connect after several times of trying

[winter reef]

Not working for me, retried many times. Guess ill play some other time

[candid pond]

it's you

[lime elk]

Is there anywhere to sell really good items besides the trading post?

[muted vigil]

where else is there to sell items dawg

[winter reef]

the collector discord

[delicate solar]

Watch Katie )). Or Kenknobi.

[neon quarry]

@winter reef use a vpn if you can’t connect

[still vector]

hi, server status still on failed to connect?

[winter reef]

not gonna buy a VPN to cater to their infrastructure, its up to IM to make their service work

[gentle kayak]

Wizard has the highest skill ceiling. Really hard to master and be good with it, but if you excell on wizard youre unstoppable. That and it really needs gear to be good.

[lunar summit]

Every time anyone trades me for 50 gold under what I asked for I load them up with empty gold bags. The price for scumming 50g

[rancid folio]

REVERT THE GOBLIN CAVE

[dull shale]

lol at it needing gear to be good

[gentle kayak]

Idk without some extra casting speed or movement you just get run down by anyone

[dull shale]

yes because wizards don't have haste or invis

[inland birch]

well played ironmace, normal lobbies are now more run-over than they have ever been

[silk hinge]

FAKERENGERMELEE and barbclappy cheater excrements

[wanton marten]

nice to know gear disparity hasnt been fixed

[ancient hill]

oh yeah, everyone running +weapon damage kits feels really balanced right now, super nice, really fun.

[hollow cairn]

Whats magical power again ? anyone knows xd ? (not magical damage, magical power on stat rolls)

[terse crystal]

lol DaD HR leaderboards is a joke ... kill everyone i seee tunnel vision type ordeal just so you can go on the leaderboards . Worried about my kdr type

[final spindle]

So I've got a 6 hour time limit on the fan art page for typing wow amazing to someone's art

[inland birch]

yeah, measure wizard by the best/most notorious players, legit way to judge a class

[gentle kayak]

Those need to be cast, ergo; casting speed
(And will for buff duration is nice)

Also i dont think haste alone is enough on a non naked wizard

[dull shale]

I think you should go watch what katie does to people on a naked wizard with a grey spellbook before y ou form an opinion.

[mystic perch]

wait so i have to remove all purps from my stash just to play a ruins duo thats a garbage change.....

[hollow cairn]

from your character, not your stash wth Xd

[timid juniper]

coin purse counts as an higher than rare tier item?

[harsh blaze]

unique in fact.

[inland birch]

its like saying namibia is a great country, look at how rich their ruling class is

[hollow cairn]

wait so no more purces on normals XD ?

[harsh blaze]

what high skill ceiling. You just need adhs and a few hours of practice. The gearscaling is just too much (still). two tapping people with zap in 1.5 seconds is a bit too much imo.

[terse crystal]

coin bags are not able to come with you as well lol

[mystic perch]

ahh it was the purse....that was the holdup...That crap needs to be hotfixed stat.

[restive hatch]

Naked Wizard is probably the scariest thing in the game.

[grim vessel]

So I know I just made a post making fun of people who spam "skill issue" but having too many empty coin bags is legitimately a skill issue, just get more gold from selling treasures to the collector 4head. They DO need to make the bags lower rarity so you can bring them into normals, though.

[harsh blaze]

they did that on purpose.

[grim vessel]

Not from your stash, just from your current inventory. You can still store purps for later use. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works, I haven't had a chance to play the new patch yet due to work

[wanton marten]

i do not understand stopping just purps from regular lobbies, people are out in thos dungeons in full +weapon dmg blues and greens, meanwhile a man has one purple and is suddenly a menace to society

[hasty sorrel]

Why does the ranger multishot shotgun do like 200 plus dmg to dummies but not 1 shot players

[restive hatch]

Each arrow is its own entity and gets affected by phys reduction normally. Also good luck hitting all your shots. @hasty sorrel

[hollow cairn]

the main problem was purple armors being Wayyy too tanky tbf. heck a blue full damage kit , can be very well outplayed even with white gear WAYYYY easyer than a full purple armor kit even if that purple armor is full trash they still have 20 to 30% more PDR than you :p

[hasty sorrel]

Yea the blue cap keeps all event and crafted gear besides cobalt out of the lobbies. A lot harder to get a tanky kit. Well the high end crafted blues can come in but not many have those. That shit should be purple anyway lol centaur horns and shit

[hollow cairn]

it even creates a market for good/bad blues again wich was looooooong lost. in a day or two we are going to see the return of shity 50g blues on the market. 👍 and id like that. i miss it

[obtuse nest]

any idea what spider silk is going for?

[hasty sorrel]

Yeah i sold blue pants for 800g earlier. Def high value now. Norm has its own econ now

[muted echo]

additional magical damage or magical power
which ones better

[neon quarry]

@atar then don’t play lol

[hasty sorrel]

The juicers can run their mega 50 key kits in hr. The smart but more casual players can optimize their greens and blues for dmg. Brains and skill are more important now than farming brazil hr for massive wealth and bringing it into norms to free farm lobbies. Keys can drop in normals.. and gold ore obv. So there was a lot of incentive to farm normals quickly

[inland birch]

add magic damage > power

[hollow cairn]

heck greens are back in the market. i like this tbf. only thing missing is an auction house D:

[muted echo]

why

[blissful crystal]

It actually depends. I wanna say at 60% magi power, add dam becomes more useful. Its some algorithm, some nerd in here will have it no doubt. Could prolly find it on the wiki tbh. Also this is assuming you are a wizard

[obtuse nest]

theres a google doc somewhere

[past panther]

No vendor buys rotten fluid wtf

[hollow cairn]

dont call me out like that D: atleast i didnt bring any kits into nromals because i enjoy being naked. (in game)

[blissful crystal]

Yea my boy min/max nerds out and always has it so I just make him tell me lmfaooo. I’m startin to remember some of em. I’m like 95% certain its 60% magi power

[inland birch]

its flat damage on your spells, while magic power gives u percentage based damage based on your will and spell power, it gives u less the more u have it (has soft caps). so dont really want to mix them, make magi power set and additional magic damage set. add magic dmg doesnt profit from the magic power bonux

[neon quarry]

lmfao

[wanton marten]

yeah i do like having diff lobbies for the juicers no doubt, idk im just put off by my last three games being one guys with all +dmg just wiping the floor with people,but thats what i get when im just trying live as a naked lil rogue, i like that the gear disparity was recognized in the hotfix

[obtuse nest]

worth noting, spells also have their own scaling, so +1 added magic damage doesnt always mean its +1 dmg to the spell. i think theres actually only 1 spell with 100% scaling but coudl be wrong
@restive hatch only for builds looking specifcally to stack poison

[inland birch]

ofc course they are vendors not whoremongers

[hollow cairn]

if you add up magical power and will. your damage sky rockets.
on the other end. magical damage takes effect imidietly as long as your will isnt on a negative.

[restive hatch]

What about with rouge, they have negative magic power, would it still be better to try and get that to a positive? @inland birch

[muted echo]

so how many magic power is optimal for me to start building add magic dmg @inland birch

[stuck patrol]

nerf ranger trap idiots

[blissful crystal]

Wizard go zap, wizard throw fireball. I wizard

[hasty sorrel]

Yea I mean smurf kits will always exist but at least now people have to go out of their way to do it and not just bring w.e top tier shit they have into norms. Weapon dmg is capped a bit more now and dmg rolls are less likely to be stacked or stacked with all stats

[inland birch]

the point is u shouldnt mix both stats unless u are lower than 100% sp, since add magic damage does not really profit much from sp

[hollow cairn]

well it depends. all spell casters dont really need it since there already above 0%
wizard rogue and warlock can really benefit from it though because theres is already low 🤷‍♀️ . especially rogue. if you get out of the negatives your poison starts to chunk

[boreal bough]

doesn't warlock has around 20% base

[gentle token]

this game is going to die in less than 6 months with these stupid ass patches

[muted echo]

does true magical damage stacks with magical power?

[paper mist]

EPIC EQUIPS ARE FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO SELL NOW

[arctic iron]

Is there a write up, or discussion of any kind about what skill training might be later?

[hollow cairn]

thats why warlock doesnt need it, but can benefit since getting it to 30-40% isnt hard for a warlock. you just need some will wich your already gonna stack 🤷‍♀️
but a rogue for example who start at -50% getting that to even 0% doubles your poison dmg.

[inland birch]

hence i said, if u are under 100%

[blissful crystal]

They just have to be actually good now. I’m not gonna buy some crappy 300g chest when I can buy a 1000g chest thats full on trait. It sucks for the timmys tryna make their way in the world and get some cash, but this community did it to itself

[hollow cairn]

a wizard for example starts at 15%, if you get that to 30% you deal 15% more damge (on paper) wich is a good amount. now you could just bypass it by just stacking magical damage yes. but if you stack both for example you start snowballing

[void fractal]

i have no purple gear on and cant play normal goblins lol

[blissful crystal]

Coin purse? Jinx @wanton marten

[wanton marten]

coin purse? damn beat me to it

[hollow cairn]

potions, coin puches, ect ect ?

[final fox]

Candy, gold, and coin purse

[boreal bough]

so many people fixate on the gear aspect but not the skill apsect of the game. GC has been the most fun since patch dropped. ppl are much more willing to bring in decent gear because lobster cleric/fighter are gone. I created a new character a few hours ago to run GC, now im fully decked out with no space in my stash. Learn the map, pick good fights and improve your skill, the gears will come after

[void fractal]

Okay thank it was indeed the coin purse lol

[muted echo]

does true magical damage stacks with more magical power bonus?

[inland birch]

no

[muted echo]

what best in slot means

[boreal bough]

true magic damage added after all of the damage calculation, and cannot be effected by regional multiplier (limbs or head multiplier) The only thing effect true damage is attribute bonus ratio, so skill like magic missles will receive a reduced bonus from true damage

[proven plinth]

game is unplayable. i have no purples but the game is asking me to remove them (there are no purples in my inv to remove) can't play

[blissful crystal]

Best item in a slot for a specific class. Dependent on the class and play style, though they’ll all look very similar. IE on my fighter I have a lobster cuirass w +3 strength, + 3 wpn dam, +2 true phys, and +11 armor rating.

[boreal bough]

check coin/ coin purse/ candy

[mighty agate]

its the coin purse in your inventory

[real python]

• True magical damage is damage for whatever attack or like only for magical attacks?

[proven plinth]

yeah it was the coin purse

[twin swallow]

Y’all won, semi gear based matchmaking is here

[inland birch]

only magic

[wanton marten]

barely lol

[blissful crystal]

No, true dam (phys or magi) just means add dam that ignores resistances. IE if I hit someone w a +2 true phys dam whatever, that 2 damage will ignore all of their PDR

[twin swallow]

I mean I’ve seen blues better than purps before but still, every budget lobster is gonna roll a lobby

[jovial goblet]

so when are the devs gonna make the inventory sort vertically instead of horizontally, since every item in the game is vertical

[final fox]

Yep played a BIS fighter in blue’s yesterday with my friends and never died after like 12 games. This is worse than before imo.

[royal pier]

Fix the lantern arming sword bug. Keeps trying to throw lantern when trying to slash with sword

[jovial goblet]

thats some weird thing that i notice sometimes when i use the dual wield perk, every once in a while the left handed item will just start automatically attacking for no reason until you actually press attack, its annoying with hand crossbow

[wanton marten]

couldnt agree more

[royal pier]

Yeah I was fine before this hotfix was doing it in HR

[jovial goblet]

I just spam right click while it does it and it fixes it

[copper onyx]

quick alt+tab and back also helps

[quasi dirge]

Press F ^^

[blissful crystal]

Alt+F4 usually fixes it for me

[brisk mason]

Remove your gold coin pouch xD

[naive seal]

The anger in this guys words, “games unplayable” instead of asking what’s the problem, no way he is missing something haha

[jovial goblet]

how much do big coin bags sell for? im trynna buy one but no one sells em

[solemn pier]

Priceless

[brisk mason]

Like 2 keys, not worth

[last cipher]

The devs desperately need to stop listening to the players

[faint canopy]

market is god awful... we need an ah so BAD

[keen heath]

I've never seen a game need a wipe so quickly after a wipe > I won't complain because I made bank but still...

[brisk mason]

Ah isn’t happening. Devs have said it countless times

[faint canopy]

they've said there's not gonna be duo matchmaking or limit on gear either 😉 if the community really wants it eventually they will have to make one.

[flat juniper]

@faint canopy If you think an AH would be better than current trade, you're delusional. If you looked up an item, by the time you moved your mouse down to click the buy button, it'd already be sold out. All the good gear would be bought instantly by the rich and placed back for higher prices. The only thing it would be good for is placing a few items after a raid, and then just waiting to get your gold from it. But people trying to BUY items would still spend ages in there buying

[brisk mason]

They never said they wouldnt do a duos. They never said they wouldnt do any sort of geared matchmaking at some point. Check graysuns messages he responds to someone about ah

[shut temple]

how do the first 20 games worth? is it like ranked placements?

[faint canopy]

i think you are very wrong mate. in which game does the ah work like this? the CURRENT state is garbage, you have to sit for 10 minutes to buy or sell a single item at times unless you hand it out for free. an ah would bring competetive prices

[blissful crystal]

AH would be terrible for the game in its current state. I love AH, but imagine the people that would just sit in trade all day. Theyd drive prices through the roof when they monopolize all the good gear. Casuals would be even more boned than they are now

[faint canopy]

flipping is way worse in the current trading system since it's way harder for a casual to follow how much xy item's worth. ah would force you to put your items for competetive prices. if something hurts flipping, its an auctionhouse

[flat juniper]

@faint canopy What Redman said. You wouldn't be going to the AH looking for a piece of gear with +magic healing and +regular interaction speed as Rogue for instance. You'd go for the weapon dmg, usually with the highest rolls. You go and filter how many items like that are selling rn. If that was posted on an AH, it'd sell out immediately. You wouldn't be browsing 100 items with good stats trying to find the best price. There would be ONE and you'd have to keep refreshing to find it and buy it quick, just like trying to trade someone quick for a good item now

[blissful crystal]

Maybe. RWT sellers would just sit in AH all day buying the best rolls tho, and then theyd set market price (which would be way too high). Sure, normal peoples sales would go up there, but theyd be much further and fewer between.

[hasty sorrel]

simple solution: limit trades to 50 a day

[wispy ridge]

remove trading increase merchants stock and how much they pay for rare items

[pearl summit]

man the amount of ppl who defend unfinished trash because it allows them to escape their sad lives for a few hours....get some standards and stop being another loser

[summer zinc]

OK GUYS, REALISTICALLY, THIS IS TERRIBLE AND WE ALL KNOW IT. you have two options to save your game. Either return back to p3 and start rolling out little updates (p3 was peak gameplay), or back to how it was with just normal weapon damage and normal stats. You are killing this game and your whole community is going wild and your player base is dropping by the second. Why do you feel the need to make these massive changes each week which are terrible changes. You need better judgement, you need thesde updates to be approved by the top pvp streamers or something, who actually have a clue and a good sense of direction where the game should go. You are catering to 50 year old dads. fix the game or lose everything

[brisk mason]

💯

[blissful crystal]

Tbf, and no hate to the devs I’m just callin it like I see it, it seems in their best interest to guinea pig us as hard as they can (IE constant massive changes) so they can find the sweet spot for the game before steam release. Even if they lost 80% of the original player base, if they rerelease a solid game in a great state on steam, theyll easily surpass the original numbers and continue to grow from there.

[last cipher]

Listening to top streamers is just as bad as listening to random players. They need to stop listening to players. if all you had to do to make a good game was listen to Reddit or listen to the top players there would be almost no bad games.

[wispy ridge]

honestly this chat switches up every patch. last patch they were listening to the streamers to much. this patch they are listening to the "50 year old dads" to much

[vivid pendant]

all whiny ass hos

[naive seal]

Iv liked every iteration of the game lol, Every one complaining like this game is esports or some shit. I just want a cool new leaderboard system

[arctic cove]

Hackers are out of control, on US east barb hacking named 'BhangZheng' has no slowdown, insta open doors/chests and fast attack

[silk hinge]

Wolfenrir and ShrekIsLove007 cheaters

[worthy merlin]

Is curse mastery fixed for warlock

[vivid pendant]

just report it via spectating, believe it or not people do get banned in game lol, you even get a notification of it

[turbid mist]

Hello, where can i see the latest patch notes?

[iron horizon]

jsut got a "game ended abnormally" twice, any idea whats wrong?

[vivid pendant]

wonder how many hours a week the devs manage to play, hope they shit on all these whiners in game

[arctic cove]

I mean all the long term players know the devs do just play Fighter and shit on everyone with ez mode lol

[jovial goblet]

2 mimics in one room, and another mimic in the room over. ???

[naive seal]

Play wizard or warlock, they counter fighter…

[weak umbra]

some rooms are always full of mimics

[keen path]

greentoes & EdBasha those 2 players completly see in the dark part of the map like if they have no darkness into the game

[arctic cove]

Yea man surely the wizard who gets one shot by fighter xbow or longbow is the counter

[naive seal]

His one counterplay is the Xbow if he doesn’t hit it, most of the time twice, he just dies

[young meteor]

idk if it was intended but cant bring money pouch in because "its higher then rare quality"??

[south galleon]

Peaple forget that wizard is only counter to the fighter heavy plate builds, all other more mobile builds just press W to rekt the wizard like the other classes do

[naive seal]

Wizard has outplay potential for pretty much all classes, it’s a skill issue. And if all else fails just haste invis away

[ancient hill]

except for when you get stuck on a ranger trap or a rogue has been silently waiting for you to walk through that door that you think no one is behind

[naive seal]

That’s all classes though lol

[south galleon]

If the devs release the statistics what you will see is the class that performs worst on average, this outplay potential rarely translates into reality for an absolutely tiny group of players, symptoms of a class that is supposed to be the most versatile spell caster of the lore but currently lacks several defensive/utility spells

[ancient hill]

there's a reason why you don't see mages in high roller goblin caves

[latent sequoia]

🇩 🇷 🇺 ℹ️ 🇩 🇼 🇪 🇳

[arctic cove]

Wizards are like unicorns, you dont normally see them

[devout yacht]

and when you do they 2 shot you

[wanton marten]

is there a report system in game?

[peak bane]

just softlocked myself. I filled my inventory 100% with gold bags and nothing else. Oh yeah, and I have no gold. So I can't buy gear and I can't get rid of my gold bags. So I can't do normals and I can't do high roller lmao

[silk hinge]

AlexOnfroy and Thanat cheaters

[uneven forum]

when fix matchmaking>?

[devout yacht]

yea press R when spectating

[abstract glen]

🫵 🇧 🇺 🇫 🇫 🫵 🇧 🇦 🇷 🇩 🫵 🫵 🇧 🇺 🇫 🇫 🫵 🇧 🇦 🇷 🇩 🫵

[azure notch]

How do people feel about the gear separation/matchmaking?

[hidden compass]

if i have a purple item in my stash does that stop me from queueing normals? i cant queue hr either. damn you are too smart monkey mode

[jovial goblet]

gold purse

[arctic cove]

It somehow made lobbies more geared/sweaty, before only 10-20% of the lobby had capes now its 80% all decked out with BIS roll bues +wep dmg etc

[abstract glen]

🫵 🇧 🇺 🇫 🇫 🫵 🇧 🇦 🇷 🇩 🫵 🫵 🇧 🇺 🇫 🇫 🫵 🇧 🇦 🇷 🇩 🫵

[azure notch]

Agreed , the amount of people running BIS blue kits after my sesh this morning actually made me laugh. Personally I’d rather the occasional full set purp/orange and try to make a play rather than going into juiced blues every game.

[arctic cove]

Just fought a fighter who was invisible for like 5 seconds before popping up on my screen, new hack?

[jovial goblet]

potion

[arctic cove]

Naw he was moving and attacking while invisible, nope it was solo gcaves and no wizard in the whole lobby

[hushed carbon]

Wizard invis?

[sudden aspen]

Yes

[fading kindle]

anyone know the rusty old door locations or is it just on ruins

[sudden aspen]

It’s only on ruins, below the bridge

[wanton marten]

thank

[tranquil skiff]

The pfp checks out

[silk hinge]

BlockVrot RobinBoy Okrell cheaters excrements

[abstract glen]

🫵 🇧 🇺 🇫 🇫 🫵 🇧 🇦 🇷 🇩 🫵 🫵 🇧 🇺 🇫 🇫 🫵 🇧 🇦 🇷 🇩 🫵

[ember oak]

Everyone still hate the game and saying it’s ruined?

[glad horizon]

It feels laggy after this hotfix

[ember oak]

yup the devs aren’t smart so now your character is dead

[subtle heart]

how about you guys fix the teaming thats now going on in the goblin caves

[frank hill]

nah im good

[stone hull]

Teaming is just a random encounter I really don't know why peeps hate it

[subtle heart]

last 4 games people running around in 2 man teams like also are you serious my guy . like a cleric and a fighter both kitted teaming in gc fighting nakeds

[fast maple]

how do you unblock someone, i did it by accident xD

[arctic cove]

I feel like teaming is a result of the high mob density on goblin caves, it seriously has the amount of mobs of a duo/trio map it works so much better if you team through the PVE. I think its the devs fault tbh.

[subtle heart]

it is the developers fault because they obviously don't know how to balance a game

[arctic cove]

For example I think teaming got way worse when they released the merged HR - normal goblin cave maps, now it has way more mobs people are teaming just to kill PVE fast enough to meet circles. Devs also updated circles making them faster right before the map update.

[plucky jolt]

yep instead of fixing HR itself, they keep changing things to "Motivate" people to go HR

[glad horizon]

now loots worse in hr then it was a few patches ago

[cerulean crypt]

How would you 'fix' HR?

[subtle heart]

by pushing the change of gear and not having a below 15 or any kind of gear score all they did was push the chinese hackers and gold farmers to caves. they just come in full kitted in meta blue gear and wipe lobbies

[dire iron]

Cant you throw them on the ground in the dungeon

[knotty basin]

Only in high roller

[plucky jolt]

IMO HR is not fun since the zone and increased time to clear PVE leaves less time for PVP and looting, wich are my personal fav things in the game. The last 2 zones everyone just rushed for portals to gtfo since the zones move too fast. I love the PVP in the last circles personally

[cerulean crypt]

Fair

[arctic cove]

Everyone whos played since the first playtests knows HR is trash unless your going for leaderboards or bossing. Its not good for PVE because loot is bad for how long it takes you to clear and its bad for PVP because circle is too quick and all the PVE mobs. They either need to make it more like an arena with gear minimum so its all juicers and people want to queue to fight geared fights. Or they need to buff loot to account for the PVE and clear times.

[subtle heart]

I'm gonna laugh when their game fails and they loose player base, #trash game

[glad horizon]

lose

[knotty basin]

They have buffed loot every other chest i loot in high roller has a blue/purple, theres also hella fights in hell now that people have gotten used to bossing

[cerulean crypt]

They've certainly tried buffing loot a lot. As for removing PvE that just sounds like a different game.

[subtle heart]

Maybe the developers should stop catering to hackers and gold farmers

[dry stump]

can you explain how they have done this?

[ember oak]

Yeah fix the 1 percentile issue of the game instead of fixing the updates that completely ruin the game

[knotty basin]

They just need to let me sell gold bags

[steady rose]

how do i get rid of gold coin purse pls?

[arctic cove]

Servers literally get worse every patch its at the point where my weapon just regularly swings through mobs/people

[fair marlin]

changes feel good, me and buddy 2v3 on crypts multiple fights

[knotty basin]

Go into high roller or pawn them off on the market besides that you cant

[snow spear]

@glad thunder Will there ever be a day where EU server is not lagging every second? I didnt spend 30$ to play a rubberbanding simulator ffs

[fair marlin]

lmao I thought of this 🤣 I didn't think anyone would do this on accident 😅

[silk hinge]

ORKOIDCIGANY CHEATER

[fast knot]

@capine and @babanam Let's be honest we all know I would've smashed you dogsh*t teamers 1on1

[knotty basin]

But you didnt smash them smh

[worn jetty]

this patch sucks, ive seen only more geared teams in normals than before

[honest token]

Genius

[boreal island]

lmao

[civic ridge]

what is this? you cant bring coin purses into normal lobbies cuz they are higher rarity now? XD kek, fix it asap

[tranquil flame]

anyone else crashing every single game?

[fast knot]

Oh I did smash them but just didn't live. Pretty hard when the teamers are lobbing literally 20 explosive bottles and hammering me with ranger shots while fighting a barb who probably had more gear then me. I did great I feel, you couldn't have done any better trust me.

[vagrant path]

I fucking hate rebuying gearsets in this game, so fucking tedious, give us a market place with listings this is garbage

[honest bolt]

He's getting a -8 for shooting into melee and through a friend so the ranger is a non issue at that point

[cold cipher]

Add a duo high roller dungeon if you are gonna limit gear u heckers.

[frank hill]

no i dont think so

[cold cipher]

No i think so

[subtle heart]

anyone getting a bug where you cant enter a dungeon with blue gear on

[cold cipher]

you dont have a potion or something like that on you thats purple right?

[subtle heart]

literally nothing and I just logged and relogged HOLY SHIT @vapid arch 💀

[vapid arch]

coin purses count as higher than rare

[cold reef]

[weary meadow]

ngl I'm burned out from going in and grinding gold to make a good set, just to go in and barely be able to use it vs players before getting wiped by something. Skill issue probably but damn

[silk hinge]

ZostalemZmuszony1 and Szysza absolutely piece of **** cheaters

[sudden tree]

do stats from weapons count if they arent in your hand?

[weary meadow]

200? Last I looked it was tied with the "thumbs up". I see now it's been removed though. Gotta live in fantasy land I guess

[subtle heart]

@brave isle its not a problem

[fallow pier]

I think it depends on whether it says + or if it’s a base stat but I think the answer is no it’s kinda fucky when I get a knowledge shield on a cleric or something I can’t figure it out

[sudden tree]

hmmm

[subtle heart]

They always count if you're holding them, if you dont have them held they dont work. And by hold I don't mean physically out, I mean selected. So if you pull out your weapons and then say interact with a chest, you'd still have the bonuses those weapons provide so long as you had them held before doing something like interacting with the environment

[wise gyro]

no only things equipped at the time, armour always on u so get stats, weps no

[honest pasture]

I look at HR and crypts, and I also have the impression that we have cheaters shitstorm at this patch, people run cuddled up to the wall aiming where there are other players. Many naked rouge at HR just avoid all player even when hostile player sit at invisibility for 30 seconds, they just change direction or risk going tru zone only to avoid all possible threat. Strange.

When a guy playing Ranger doesn't look at doors, windows, crevices, but all the time he runs and stares at the walls, it's quite interesting. Have perfect prefire, trap, escape etc.

[silk hinge]

OgromnayaJaba and heheheal scum cheaters

[smoky tendon]

I’ve never ran into a hacker yet been playing since playtest 4, sounds like a skill issue 🤷‍♂️ yeah but if u run into a hacker ur bad, hackers never go into my lobby cause they know they will die to me smh 🤦‍♂️

[formal moon]

they def exist, but not like a common thing

[tulip perch]

oh they exist

[trim cape]

Welp looks like the blues only in norms changed nothing, the juicers are just wearing optimized blue gear to roll normal GC. I think I'm done for now, call me when the game gets bearable peace yall

[cold talon]

And they don’t have to be scared because it’s physically impossible someone has better gear than them

[smoky tendon]

Might as well just remove gear now and give everyone the same gear set

[vagrant path]

• 27 magic damage on one wizard kit, neat

[fresh oak]

I've seen 1 or 2 while playing. usually it's a ranger, otherwise nothing

[cold talon]

I mean at least if they did that i can’t get 1 shot by a fireball or zap. +20 additional damage and true damage on wizards and rangers with no counter play

[formal moon]

most hackers are using esp. so you're not going to see them

[smoky tendon]

Me when the guy who spent 10k gold on his kit kills me in all greys 😳😳😳🤯🤯🤯🤯

[little yew]

Hey devs plz pull your heads from you hind end. Bards are now unplayable

[cold talon]

Nope I’m in full blues but can’t be tanky on a warlock. So i still get 1 hit at range by people who can bring in 10k gear set with no way someone can have more than them

[vagrant path]

They should soften the amount of weapon damage/magic damage you can get on gear and balance accordingly. They over did it when they made +1 weapon damage the limit and it was only one weapons/trinkets, but having +20 weapon/magic damage be what's competitive is annoying and they had the right idea lowering how much you could peak your damage

[formal moon]

you can't bring a kit that cost 10k into normals lol

[smoky tendon]

As a warlock main, don’t get hit on the head 🙂

[cold talon]

Oh sorry if I’m running through a doorway and a ranger longbow hits me for 75% of my health or a wizard fireball takes me from 100->0. I got 2 hit yesterday in normal GC by a fighter using a hand crossbow cause he had +22 weapon damage and could hit me from across the room

[smoky tendon]

Why would u peak someone from a long distance as warlock? Close the distance and this won’t happen

[formal moon]

This is not true, a hand crossbow from across the room will do like 8 dmg. so at best 30.

[scarlet sigil]

@zinc sparrow @glad thunder @pearl birch Can you guys just remove Debuff mod from the game til you fix it? It is ADDING debuff time to YOU not the enemy. So as a Barb id think my achilles last longer, right? NOPE but if i get hit with the new spider you cannot attack debuff it last even longer....and their webs slow for longer....ect.....this is a huge issue you could fix temporarily by just removing the stat from gear for awhile. Plz this has been an issue for awhile now and lot of ppl dont know about it since you have SO MANY DIFFERENT STATS. Too many imo.

[honest pasture]

dmg should not be available on clothes/armor and that's it. or in like a classic rpg only at gloves/ring/weapon.

[cold talon]

I just don’t understand how people think this patch is fine. I swear I’ve been killed more times by people in full BIS gear in this past day than the entirety of last week

[wise gyro]

ye cos people are forced into normals unless they want to vs the purple +1 all +3 wep dmg on every gear teams in hr who have a stash worth 100 keys lol

[scarlet sigil]

go to gob cave hr in brazil or japan if you are west coast and farm treasure and items. then you have sets for trios. Thats why eveyone is doing, that or mining gold from ruins. So either you do that and get good gear too or you keep dying to juiced trios or solos. not the best game state, but if you wanna stop banging your head against a wall, id suggest that.

[hoary sage]

@glad thunder hotfix gold bags asap let us bring them into normal games to drop or make them sellable to merchants

[peak crypt]

Really didnt think that rare gear limiting would do anything at all. And maybe it didnt maybe it was just placebo but lobbies felt great for me

[honest pasture]

it's better to play HR without gear now than normal with gear. People walk in perfect blue sets, it was predictable, but it is not known from today that the creators of this game are not intellectuals and have a problem with deduction. kek

[trim cape]

If you want to stop banging your head on the wall just uninstall like I did 😄 just wait till the devs figure their game out or it dies. Either way you mentally win!

[cold talon]

I have money. I have like 15 gold bars on 2 characters each. It’s that if i put together a 2-3k gear set i still get 1 hit by wizards and rangers. It would be fine if i could actually fight but getting 100-0 in one hit makes me want to not go in

[rich owl]

Normals are in a fairer state than they were previously, not sure what's your point

[scarlet sigil]

Yeah well, thats the game. Your gonna lose shit and lose your shit "Mentally". Rangers can still go fuck themselves imo so i agree with you there. That nerf was like a slap on the wrist compared to the rogue nerf. Wiz is ehh, they can be punished and outplayed. a good ranger tho with prep time is not ok.

[formal moon]

They did it on purpose lol. it's fine

[trim cape]

hard disagree, the changes further pushed the HR rejects into normals so they can keep getting their dopamine hits rolling timmies since they cant play with the big dogs. Going BiS blues into a normal GC is like smurfing in any game.

[prime hornet]

why is it harder to get cobalt gear with both good rolls than ruby that i almost always get one peace with all 3 good rolls

[worn jetty]

it shouldnt cost 100g to run a damn purple, make the normals have a purple gear queue and non purples queue. like the lvl 15 lobbys were like.

[peak crypt]

ffs

[honest pasture]

You go at goblin cave normals and half the players are rogues in weapon dmg sets, jumping at bullshit spot and waiting for you to start fighting Goblin. No.. there has never been such a failure on goblins before.

[peak bane]

I did it on purpose to see what would happen, and I fugged around and found out XD

[rich owl]

So you prefer players with purple, legendary and uniques on normals? HR was empty when my party decided to use our purples and the fight were better overall.

[formal moon]

The reason for that, is that the leaderboards are out now. So ppl are going into HR.

[cold talon]

I swear people that say this don’t play the game. I ran normals constantly before the hot fix and never 1 says a unique. Maybe 1 legendary in 100 games.

[peak crypt]

That’s definitely a large part of it, but, also i was playing duo ruins, so, no HR component. Not sure what to make of ruins post patch because pre patch ruins people brought serious gear

[rich owl]

Damn buddy... what a way to put things out of context here. But i'll let you be.

[trim cape]

You def see mega juicers more often in ruins I'll give you that. I played a normal ruins I think 2 weeks ago and saw both a viola and a pestilence in the kill feed, lets just say I extracted very quickly after seeing that....

[formal moon]

Still going to have ppl that ran ruins for gold. Hitting HRs.

[honest pasture]

I preferred to have different classes in the game and not only rogues. fighter was going to kill a dressed Archer, rogue. Rogue with a rapier killed a dressed barbarian etc. Now goblin cave is more like the first Alien movie, where in every nook and hole something can jump in your face.

[peak crypt]

I was also thinking gold ore prices tanking might have explained it. Regardless, still fought many caped teams with rings. No amazing sets but quite a few great rares.

[trim cape]

The reason you see many rogues is because its the only way for casuals to even somewhat enjoy the game anymore. Heck even one of the most lucrative money making strats is just going naked rogue with a pickaxe to ruins and just running from anyone that gets within 50 feet of you. Kinda wack when the only way to play the game is to avoid playing the game lol

[rich owl]

Not sure why would restriction to blue gear or worse on normals would change this, in fact it might made it better since you can't go completely busted on normal. There IS a difference between whites and blues but at least is not such an abysmal difference as whites vs purples anymore.

[honest pasture]

in addition, they broke eco again, blue items now with weapon dmg can be more expensive than purple, so they only exacerbate the problem of farming naked players on maps.

[trim cape]

There's not much of a difference if you are wearing trash blues lol, the point we are making is they are coming in with +all +weapon dmg stacked blues and running a train on the lobby of people in whites/greys lol

[uneven ermine]

when rare items are more in demand and sell for the same price or more than epics i dont think something is right.....

[empty sigil]

They shouldn't have done anything, majority of people are having a blast playing and come read these threads and wonder if they are playing the same game.

[rich owl]

Look if you make the restriction worse, classes that require less gear will dominate. a Naked rogue can still kills caster faster than you think, rangers will compeltetly clear lobbies and barbarians will still 1 tap you. Some classes require gear to just be on par with the rest and if you are proposing something as full whites lobbies then i can guarantee you that will kill the game.

[trim cape]

Yeah im sure the majority of players who play this game a couple of times a week are having fun being rolled by xXxUnemployedxXx for the 10th dungeon in a row

[ebon iron]

Anyone else keep getting "It ended abnormally"?

[uneven egret]

are survival bows of any use ?

[uneven ermine]

well they have flip flopped their gear rarity system blues sell for more than purples unless its god tier and even then your sitting there trying to sell it

[pallid bloom]

@zinc sparrow please give us duos hr

[cyan citrus]

Can someone please genuinely explain to me how the new gear restriction works, im only wearing 2 blues yet its not letting me in, but in the pre-game lobby theres caped crusaders literally everywhere all full blue kited out of their minds?

[empty sigil]

Solution is really just a hardcore mode where no trading post. Once you die you start completely over. The hopeless players will still cry, but they always will anyway.

[trim cape]

@cyan citrus if you have any gold pouches in your inventory they are now listed as "unique" rarity so you cant take pouches into normals.

[formal moon]

L take and terrible mode

[rich owl]

Sounds like an empty lobby with the restart restriction but not for an ironman mode.

[honest pasture]

How many players u have with perfect purple stat set per game? 3 perfect stat is rare.. When blue is mutch easy to obtain. Yes before i see players with full purple perfect set at goblin cave but i see this player mb per 10 match. Mutch more patology u can see at Ruins with full gear players before. Now goblin cave is just unplayable, i got more playing HR goblin without gear than normal, and im not sweat skill player.

[gentle sphinx]

dark and darker just isnt that good anymore.. thanks ironmace

[uneven ermine]

just give the timmys a timmy only lobby dont butcher the game for the hardcore people

[cyan citrus]

you dont need 3 perfect stats, all you need is 2. and a blue thats insane is much more common then a purple thats insane

[fresh bridge]

no gold purses is ridiculous in my opinion thoughts anyone?

[torn imp]

whats up gamers, what are we crying about now?

[broken saddle]

How much are keys right now?

[shell flicker]

Should just have added a naked lobby and a geared lobby, and add more layers when we have more players

[formal moon]

It's fine, if you want lots of loot. Go to HR.

[honest pasture]

ofc, u can get blue from any normal game, trade is full of green/blue weapon dmg stuff, just mine some gold, buy weapon dmg gear and go at goblin cave with rogue, 90% players just do it now. This is patology dude.

[storm plume]

sweats are mad they have to play with other sweats

[brazen tinsel]

THERE IS A CHEATER ROGUE ON THE PROWL NAMED M1ndG0blin. Dude knew where I was while invisible in the other room and also was strafing while looting!

[trim cape]

If they want their game to succeed they can't cater to the 10%, game will die. Sweats are just gonna have to wipe their tears with their unemployment check, dust the cheeto dust of their fingers, and throw their 10 empty mountain dew bottles on their desk away and accept the reality that the gamer dads have a chance to kill em for a change

[uneven ermine]

naked only lobby where the timmys and rats can battle it out.

[rich owl]

Damn... people will just complain regardless of changes. Complain because they were getting killed by purple and now complain because they are getting kiled by blues when blue is easily obtainable. Or is it players with purple can't faceroll on normal lobbies? So many complaints

[fast atlas]

No this is discussion

[formal moon]

Sounds pretty salty tbh. In addition anyone that no lifes is probably going to sweep up any of these "gamer dads" you speak of

[uneven ermine]

supports equality of outcome. so, punish those who dont have kids?

[shell flicker]

You are right that people will always find an issue, the more people play the more complaints.
But them hot fixing stuff to change it back 2/4 days later isn't helping anyone

[cyan citrus]

people need to realise that a good 75% of the player base isnt sweatlords that play 6 hours a day, its work people like me who only get 2ish hours every few days to game man. i dont want to have to sweat my ass off to enjoy a game

[uneven ermine]

equality of outcome. you dont wanna have to put in work for reward.

[formal moon]

equality of outcome is not equality. Let hardcore games be hardcore.

[rich owl]

I don't see the discussion all i see are complaints. They don't present a valid critique feedback but just say "Can't do x because y", they don't present a better idea they just write a full paragraph saying what they encountered and how they got killed. @shell flicker Dev's can do whatever they want when we signed up for an early access game, when they state a change is for testing purposes you cannot expect to be removed, to change or to remain.

[subtle heart]

It's because they don't know how to design matchmaking for the game. It's really simple. Have Ana above and below 15 queue. Make items found in raid that can be traded and make items that aren't untraceable like tarkov. That will prevent people from being able to get blues and purples easily on low level characters. Then in addition to that set a gearscore on items and make it so there is a minimum and max gear score for normals vs high roller. Increase loot drops on high roller and decrease them on normal casual matches except for bosses.

[cyan citrus]

i put in work into my IRL job, i love the PVP and PVE of this game, but i simply dont have the hours to grind the gear, this gear change is awesome for people like me. I come home and game to chillax more then anything else and im glad normals is playable now

[unkempt crescent]

Bro just go play the game no one got time to read all this

[storm plume]

What if they got rid of trading hall?

[trim cape]

The giga rich .ttv's would scream lmfao

[uneven ermine]

"An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure." You want to change that for you. This is our sides argument, you are changing that.

[subtle heart]

Lol how about you get a life and wipe that cheeto dust off your fingers and get a real job. The games broken and everyone knows it. They need to stop catering to the 10% and the cheaters/ money farmers that sell gold online.

[cyan citrus]

im not saying it needs to be a walk in the park, the challenge is 100% still there and its still very unforgiving by the games natural design. its just not brutally unfair anymore. theres a big difference here

[honest pasture]

Dude, before i only play permadeath because that's how I learned the game. While playing permadeath, I can't put on a purple sword with shitty stats to play until I die, after which I delete the character. Playing HR permadeath where 7 out of 9 players are rogue, is not at all pleasant, the reward is also wasted with goblin cave HR. play with a naked fighter at HR goblin cave, take a shitty resp far from zone and you're fucked, because you will not work out fast to zone without dps, tanky, and meds, u dont go further and get some good stuff for sale, or item for urself. When throw you in the middle of a mine with five players running around, and you're fucked, too without gear, because everyone wants to kill you for ranking stats. Great game. There should be an option that i wants or does want to play in the lobby with limited gear.

[trim cape]

Yes hit em with the cheeto dust line! We reject the walking caped pharmacies in our lobbies!

[hasty sorrel]

tf how do you get rid of empty gold pouches now lmao gotta bring them to hr? so goofy

[uneven ermine]

well the truth is the item system is flip flopped because of this recent change when blues sell more than purples something is not right here.

[rich owl]

There's already an option for limited gear and that's normal maps. If you want always naked runs i suggest to play a BR which is precisely what you looking for.

[vivid pendant]

yea the main problem here... people think that every game they want to play has to be catered to them

[trim cape]

blame the sweats who don't want to play against other equally stacked people for the market change, not the devs fault xXxcheetogaming420xXx.ttv gets his rocks off killing players with 50 gold in their inventory

[cyan citrus]

i think this says more about the playerbase then the actual system itself, if hardcore gamers want to sweat on lower geared and 100% worse players, then thats the real issue imo

[uneven ermine]

cant patch and update people that want to dominate others its just gonna happen, but again the answer shouldnt be "lets cap the gear so now we split the market"

[unkempt crescent]

Hope you find happiness in life if a game causes you to froth at the mouth with such frenzy.

[vivid pendant]

and if they got rid of trading hall, the casuals would be suffering even harder, guaranteed lol

[formal moon]

You sound real salty my dude

[honest pasture]

no it's not a limit on gear, it's limited to the fact that you have a rash of players with weapon dmg that murder you in one hit. kek. Its better now play HR than normal, 90% people have worse gear at HR than normal with perfect stat blue

[cyan citrus]

so what you're saying is if skilled players want to stomp shitter players, there shouldnt be any form of mechanism in place to try and stop that? if not, what would be your solution to it if you do have one?

[trim cape]

No, they should be having fun at the expense of your fun, no questions asked /s

[rare turret]

they sure nerfed TF out of chests.... bronze chests suck now, as well as the rest

[subtle heart]

Is that the best you could come up with in the amount of time it took you to reply. What did your keys get stuck because their all sweaty from you playing 15 hours a day and not having a life. Get good and stop rolling caves in all blue my guy and killing tummies to make yourself feel better because your actually trash at the game.

[uneven ermine]

im saying make a naked only lobby for yall no gear allowed but this change has split the market cant deny that

[cold talon]

every pvp game that has ever existed has skill players stomping shit players

[formal moon]

they lightly nerfed them and they needed to. chests BUSTED

[rich owl]

And then you will complain about rogues, rangers and barbs.

[twin swallow]

Chests still busted, opened a large oak, not even lions head saw 2 greens, a blue dagger and some blue treasure

[cyan citrus]

oh absolute it has, and i agree its not a good thing at all. it does need to be changed when BIS blues go for more then purples. but again i think that speaks volumes on the player base WANTING to shit on newer players then the system itself being inheritly shit

[rare turret]

Lightly they said yeah lol feels alot more than "slightly"

[trim cape]

Its funny you say that because those "entitled noob players" are going to be a LARGE percentage of the playerbase when this game drops on steam. Watch the player count bleed as the very people who pour the most hours into the game are the ones who smother it with a pillow 🙂

[honest pasture]

before this patch, I couldn't sell a necklace with 1 weapon dmg for even 100 gold, now it went for 300. That's what it looks like and it changes so much, people collect blue gear with weapon dmg to terrorize people who want to play normally.

[subtle heart]

where'd the cheetos go mangopanda

[unkempt crescent]

I just don’t care that much. If you really wanna know I farm troll with default rogue gear 75% of the time and then me and my Timmy friends get rolled in crypts. But like I said hope you figure out whatever is bothering ya. It’s just a game no need to get upset

[uneven ermine]

that is every game though, and its usually the ones like @rich owl who just want to troll and insult without adding any grain of intelligence to the matter. Toxic players are gonna be toxic. Nothing you can patch or update to change what a needed mommy spanking will fix.

[cold talon]

but this thing about this patch is that the timmy that got out of a couple of raids might be able to afford a couple of purple pieces for 50-200g a piece and become a real threat to the BIS blue people. Now you have to spend 4-5k gold on full weapon damage to be a threat to those people. and they can play with absolute confidence because there isnt a possibility of someone having stronger gear in their lobby so they just w key.

[rich owl]

Never insulted you nor trolled you. It's a fact that naked barbs, rangers and rogue will dominate in a naked only lobby since they can still do what they do best unlike other classes that requires gear. You will not see a figher in those lobbies, nor a Warlock or Cleric and maybe a Wizard from time to time. You are too sensitive to hold a conversation it seems.

[cyan citrus]

LMFAO hard agree with this. there will always be those people who wanna stomp and will find ways to do it, 100%. But thats like saying "oh well if its gonna happen anyways, lets not try to fix it at all" which is a bad line of thinking IMO

[honest pasture]

kek naked wizzard is the most dangerous character you've ever mentioned. But ok..

[trim cape]

You are smokin some good meth if you think naked rogues will be a problem, naked rogue is given 2 uncooked spaghetti noodles for their starting weapons and die if anyone sneezes on them

[twin swallow]

Ima be real if you can’t extract on GC despite the fact that there’s what 7 players and 6 portals? You’re just bad

[vivid pendant]

devs have even said in a q&a they don't want to baby new players too much, and they're pushing that a bit by testing this patch
the newbies/shitters are still going to be complaining about no time to play etc, that's how it's going to stay

[formal moon]

IM has just been going about EA in a pretty bad way TBH. They should focus on not allowing players give more than 1 buff to other players and added classes \ talents

[native verge]

Decent Stat blues have been better than purples since they tightened the numbers between rarities. A +3 +3 blue will be better than almost any purple you will find

[rich owl]

Buddy i've seen naked rogues kill geared wizards if they ambush them. Same will happen with any other class since no one will have PDR to fight against it.

[uneven ermine]

Starting kit only required lobbies wouldn't be a bad add either just because of the BIS blue or w/e color they cap it at, not complaining just discussing, i like the game how it was lol

[trim cape]

Thats not a problem with rogues thats a problem with wizards, they can be god caped gamers and still get one tapped in BiS lol.

[formal moon]

This is pretty common misconception. A perfect purple will waaaaaaay out shine a perfect blue. The diff is you're getting 10 chances at a blue for everyone 1 chance a purple. So you're going to see way more bis blues. @rich owl almost like the class that counters another is a powerful thing vs the class getting countered.......

[vivid pendant]

a zero to hero lobby wouldn't be enjoyable for new players, they'd get trashed pretty badly imo

[honest pasture]

they have to divide gear into categories like in classic RPGs where you don't have armor with weapon dmg, magic dmg etc. Armor should be responsible for def, res. Gloves, weapons for weapon dmg, rings for stats, shoes for movement speed etc. Then you will end the pathology of running in the Green set for 2 thousand from market having 30 weapon dmg. This is fucking easy.

[twin swallow]

I think this guy might be onto something

[rich owl]

The key here is that the class getting countered has NO AR and low health. This WILL HAPPEN to any other class ebcaus ein naked lobbies NO ONE has AR.

[potent atlas]

you mean you are expecting them to actually balance the gear instead of doing number tweaks, how dare you

[trim cape]

Just give me scav runs in DaD and ill be happy, some of the classes starting gear is just so abysmally bad you are already fighting for your life against PvE until 6969Jo3M@m@ comes along to merc you lol

[uneven ermine]

no its easier to just change the lobby requirement duh.

[formal moon]

Then you hurt the classes that are all about scaling and buff the classes that don't need it because they have access to 1 shot weapons.

[honest pasture]

T_T sorry.

[vivid pendant]

yea but they also want the ttk to be in a spot they desire, imagine "classic rpg" gear stats would be prolonged fights

[potent atlas]

seriously though, the devs actually want to know what would make people go to HR, not even joking when im saying they are clueless, surely just segrating the gear in to 2 seperate modes will make people go to HR 👀

like seriously guys throw any and all suggestions their way because they seem to not know how to solve the issue of no one really wanting to run HR

[uneven ermine]

purple items are so hard to sell now if they aint fricken perfect 😐

[vivid pendant]

the casuals want to go to HR to kill boss/pve but the sweats want to wipe lobbies

[stone sky]

ok but what would actually make people go into HR because right now I feel zero incentive, I don't care about leaderboards and i think most people don't care about leaderboards

[stable sandal]

How to get rid of gold coin purse without going in HR?

[trim cape]

bro they could make normals green and below gear only and these players will still bring the most optimized greens with surg kits and more medicine than a friggen hospital to get that dopamine hit they dont get from real life lol

[undone scroll]

I'm sorry you're dissatisfied with the current state of the game, but it feels like you aren't aware of what you bought into and are now taking it out and random people in Discord.

The game is unfinished but it's not exactly trash you ingrate, it's just not what YOU wanted and now your angry; they're actively making large changes to classes and systems and you're getting butthurt and lashing out like a toddler because you need your game now

[potent atlas]

i personally feel like leaderbord shouldnt even be in the game but thats just my 2 cents,but also to add to that, HR need to be more than just a copy and paste with some modifiers for it to be intresting imo

[formal moon]

The issue is their are too many HR lobbies for one. Secondly, you cannot stop pub stomping, because the reward is too high for living. Removing the price from HR is a good step, because the 100g means nothing and stops no one whom is going to rat. Additionally, they need to group ppl based on Adventure score for at least 1 patch and cut down the time it takes to fill a lobby by a minute and a half

[vivid pendant]

lol sounds like that guy wants to play finished trash to escape his equally sad life for a few hours... hypocrisy and is probably the biggest loser

[uneven ermine]

Leaderboard is for people who spend more than 4 hours a day on here. Arent yall against that type of player anyways?

[potent atlas]

lets say we MUST keep the buy in for whatever reason, how would you insentivise people to run HR ?...what would make it fun and something to strive towards ?...i personally would like it to be its own dungeons (not copy paste) with some serious ramped up pve and traps and what have you

[trim cape]

Leaderboard provides another source of dopamine for these IRL goblins. Hence why they will kill timmies on sight. Also correct me if im wrong but leaderboard is just for HR right?

[uneven ermine]

at least its cheaper to buy a purple kit now i guess... jsut wait for 50g purchases and you can compete in HR til the legendary guy comes of course...

[lethal crypt]

I now see where normal society gets the perception that gamers complain too much, i almost feel the tism leaving my body

[vagrant path]

it's time for a real trade market. also reduce fee to be based on transaction so shittier greens can allow casuals progress with less gold

[limber verge]

How many bluestone shards are we getting after this revert? Another 5?

[subtle heart]

No one is buying purps now. Make an auction house already. what a dumb fkn experimental sht update.

[potent atlas]

i just dont really see where a leaderboard fits in the spirit of the game

[vivid pendant]

bro you breathe in a map and a green item appears, lol

[trim cape]

a green item that you cant use haha

[uneven ermine]

bruh tell me about it........ like just pick a trade chat to look in and you see it...

[subtle heart]

are they gonna fix the bug where you dont load in to lobbys with your teammates or you randomly load forever then the game crashes ? <@&1019888848773328936>

[vagrant path]

no kidding, and then you vendor it because nobody will ever buy it for 50g and selling for less is generally a waste of time so those items disapear from the pool, instead of going to the hands of some casual for the 30 gold they're worth

[limber verge]

hey dude, just go into high roller and get slaughtered by repozes group. That's what happened to me and my friends last night. It was really fun! Enjoy all the purples you have been farming! Dont worry default geared players are happy now.

[honest pasture]

Then they can easily balance other classes, when they organize gear. Now u have pathologies as warlock or wizard with 330 movement speed, which practically nothing will kill, and the cost of such a gear is a ridiculous thousand gold per trade, so when u get one shot from ranger u just dont loose practicaly anything, becouse gear without meta stats is cheap as fuck. I know because I do it, I like to play with game mechanic, I go through classic RPGs solo, without party on ironman etc. In this game the availability of stats on all kinds of gear is sick pathologies, and They can change the numbers on skill, perk characters endlessly as patchnote and it will not change anything, because people will always find a way when they have unlimited possibilities on gear. Make yourself Barbarians with cheap movement speed gear, what you can do for a ridiculous 500g and chase awith an axe in your hand naked rogue hiting them in the back. No, I'm not a skill player, my advantage is abusing mechanics, tactics, thinking, not aim and jumping like a monkey. I like to play permadeath because it remembers every mistake, I know how each class works, I know who is a threat, how to position myself to avoid a threat, these are my advantages. And when you combine a player with high intelligence who abuses mechanics with someone who has skill, you become a killing machine, suddenly it turns out that any character can be OP, and when streamers start do it u make broken meta, and devs nerfs next class, for no reason, becouse problem is gear, NOT CLASS.

[trim cape]

Trade fee needs to be a % of the gold traded not a flat 15 gold, and then give us a peasant market so we can buy greens at a fair price that would normally be vendored for 7 gold lol

[vivid pendant]

casual can just buy the same garbage green from merchant more or less

[silk hinge]

Nets0 and Barbiexoxo cheaters

[uneven ermine]

like i would rather be playing the damn game but here i am in game discussion while i try to sell purple items that 2 days ago would have made me like 300-500g for pennies because they are like cancer now.

[subtle heart]

thats a you problem. Unfortunately i dont play in ur servers.

[limber verge]

That's a me problem? Yes, I'm the only person in this discord that plays on US servers. great response.

[vagrant path]

which is why you should just be able to post and leave 5 items and hop back into the dungeon/browse listings and not having to poach deals on the scrolling chat. Like I said, they also need a market with listings

[formal moon]

Typed all this just to say nothing. The one thing I agree with is changing how the stat block functions. agil should give rogues and rangers att power and STR shouldn't give HP. But the core issue with removing weapon dmg from certain pieces, is you make classes like rogue uncompetitive

[uneven ermine]

idk i think the auction system will give players too much information of pricing and destroy the being able to flip items for money aspect which a lot really love about the market. I think it would be nice to link all the trade chats together though so I can look at purchases for fighter while i try to sell jewelry.

[subtle heart]

Nah u sck at this game is what i meant dont blame others now will ya.

[limber verge]

@light ivy @severe schooner

[potent atlas]

just change their base stats, or give it some kind of special multiplier on daggers or whatever, either way there are a plethora of ways you could handle that given you would actually balance the game instead of tweaking already existing numbers and actually put some elbow grease in to coding....

[naive quest]

wtf gold bags

[native verge]

Guys name is Vulgar and he calls the neighborhood watch when someone tells him to get gud lol

P.s. repoze team can die. Jays team died first game out of the patch and lost legendaries

[uneven ermine]

really though, im here to discuss MY needs.....

[limber verge]

the only people this patch hurts are normal average players, not default, not max geared.

[kind blaze]

im going on a break they're not really adding new content to the game, i know its important to balance stuff but like they need to stop listening to all the streamers and people whining, do their own vision of the game and keep adding more cool stuff

[native verge]

I'm a normal player and I'm having a blast with these last two hotfixes, speak for yourself

[potent atlas]

if only the devs would just throw out some ideas before implementing them to get a feel for how people would actually interact with whatever planned change...

[uneven ermine]

cant even sell purple templar armor market is split asf ON A SATURDAY

[formal moon]

I agree with that, devs seem to be overworked or otherwise not getting it done. Patches just feel lazy and mindless

[subtle heart]

he might report you for bullying brother careful, just like he did to me

[honest pasture]

Not because rogue, should be for players who think and don't jump on someone's back killing them in onetap, should be a rat who uses range, invisibility, and speed. Not without reason the easiest thing for me when I play rogue is a barbarians that do not have range at weapon, just learn to keep your distance, which even such an old noob without skill like me can do, and with a white rapier you kill a dressed barbarian easily. All class have their adventage. When u play at this game like call of duty, u doing this wrong, and fucking noskill, old noob like me can outplayed u.

[limber verge]

[2] - Insults against others, be it direct or hidden/veiled, are prohibited. This includes (but is not limited to) comments made against ones intelligence or skill, and also includes slander (a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation).

If I'm expected to follow the rules, you have to as well. Sorry it's how it goes.

[potent atlas]

the overarching choices being made are actually clueless...like tossing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks...and i hate that i have to be talking about it in this tone, but at this point its pretty damn obvious, and it makes me sadge

[silk hinge]

EsteSenhorB Teppyc cheater excrement subnormales

[velvet kelp]

hi what are the best perks to take as ROGUEEEE

[uneven ermine]

that would require them to ban everyone who says "skill issue". they dont. i wish they would sometimes let me add

[limber verge]

well whatever, @subtle heart is a greed is good supporter unironically. So it is what it is.

[cloud jungle]

does power of sacrifice still heal with curse of pain?

[tropic fiber]

when is the next wipe?

[silent gulch]

hello, what is the diff between magical/phys dmg and true magical/phys dmg?

[subtle heart]

@limber verge ty and gitgud brotherman.

[uneven ermine]

careful you might trigger a sweat your not prepared to encounter lmao

BOO to anyone who supports GIG

[rapid vapor]

With torture mastery yes.

[limber verge]

keep going, when a warden sees you're going to get muted.

[naive quest]

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GOLD BAGS ISNT THIS THE MOST CRITICAL SITUATION RIGHT NOW

[cloud jungle]

thanks

[uneven ermine]

bruh this is my only problem and complaint lmao like IDC about the gear thing ill sell my purples off w/e but NOT THE COIN PURSE I GOTTA PASS GOLD COINS NOW?!?

[potent atlas]

the gear thing isnt the issue, the issue is the devs are so stuck on trying to insentivise people to go to HR that they have resulted to throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks lol, like bro just add quests and classes etc, fuck HR lol

[gaunt yoke]

HR drops are not worth it

[round silo]

just got killed by a 3 man + 2 solo rogues(5 man) lmao that was cool

[uneven ermine]

nah not saying it was, i think the real issue is mental health lmao but anyway, all im saying is raise the cap on gold stacks or give us the coin bag back for normals!!! even the timmys liked coin purses you ever seen one grab yours when you drop em its so quick you would think they were looting BIS items

[limber verge]

dude just beat the team with legendarys and uniques.

[potent atlas]

i just want to see cool new content

[viral thistle]

Is there anything gonna be done about pre meditated teamers in HR OCE… at this rate I’m going to be spending more time reporting and recording players then actually playing the game 🥲

[pulsar galleon]

content is coming ( )

[static onyx]

are people still buying candy corn with the current shambolic state of purples

[trim ravine]

it's 10g a pop rn, it's used mostly as a currency though

[static onyx]

word

[fervent ferry]

Cleric Barb and a ranger teaming in HR goblin caves what the actual fuck

[gusty wedge]

teaming is allowed if it's not premeditated. I don't love it, but thems the rules

[native verge]

Whoa was that a thinly veiled "get gud"?

WARDENSSSSS

[urban junco]

Is there any way to limit loading screen fps? This game seems to cause coil whine during loading times lol

[deep birch]

If you see TheJollyJabber in Goblin Caves HR, I have gifts for you 🙂

[cold talon]

its fun when 2 very geared people team in GC. couldve had a good fight with a lobster until a full weapon damage rogue shows up and they are speaking

[limber verge]

I mean what do you want, I've gotten muted for telling people to get good. So if I have to follow the rules so does he. It's how it goes.

[native verge]

Nah I'm not soft. But I'm surprised whoever got you muted made you soft

[worthy talon]

Cant enter goblin caves, it says I have an item above rare but I definitely dont. Anyone know if there's a fix?

[wild jay]

Imagine they make a sacrificial bomb type character to deal with teaming

[sand zenith]

Is there really a limit to how much you can craft?

[distant pivot]

How to kill a class Ranger Edition-- Give other classes ability to use bows, longbows, crossbows, shorthand crossbows. step 2 nerf there base agility, draw speed, firing rate. Step 3 increase cooldown on all important skills, quickshot, and rapid fire. Step 4 decrease projectile speed. Congratulations go play fighter now because theyre better than ranger. Theyre essentially a better faster ranger that has sprint, heal over time, and platearmor. GG IRONMACE GOODJOB. Ranger? More like food for every other class, more like loot mule, more like backpack courier, more like Ranger? What game?

[quasi kindle]

So I can't wear blue items in ruins??

[plucky mirage]

U can

[worthy talon]

I'm getting the same bug, you should be able to, but you can't join a game for some reason.

[wild jay]

Ranger still really good however this game obv centered around fighters lol

[native verge]

I enjoy finding crossbow fighters on my crossbow ranger because I dust them every time due to the reload speed

[jaunty prawn]

low test against lower test

[distant pivot]

They nerfed projectile speed across the board when in reality they should of nerfed (DAMAGE) for NON ranger class -- only for fighters, people were only complaining about fighters with crossbows and longbows 1 shotting people. Not rangers. Next i'd like to add rangers are squishy and do everything but less that a fighter does. Rangres have leather for faster move speed, howcome thats the case but they move slower and can't escape fighter or barbarian or wizard or bard unless they spend 100gold on 20 traps because ironmace nerfed Ranger base agility, also since they cant outrun they also cant wear plate so guess what rangers are squishier than a class thats supposed to be agile and more mobile than fighters. Next they nerfed literally some of the only 2 skills good in pvp quickshot and rapid fire. they nerfed the CD's making it twice as long now for every class in the game other than cleric you can just rush rangers now and 2 shot them no matter what build you are so long as you hit double headshot. only classes that can't 2 shot rangers as base are bard,rogue. Next i'd like to add that the damage of the bows is only 45 for a headshot. how are you supposed to accurately hit headshots from distance to take advantage of this multiplier with sucha small hitbox when every other class has higher headshot damage faster projectile speed and larger hitbox (classes with range such as wizard and warlock) all AOE all higher headshot multipliers accept arcane missles. RANGER IS DEAD

[spare elbow]

Pics or didnt happen @worthy talon money pouches trigger overgeared if you have any in your inventory

[worthy talon]

Still cant enter goblin caves, it says I have an item above rare but I definitely dont. Anyone know if there's a fix? I've tried reloading, swapping loot etc but nothing works.

[native verge]

Check potions, coin bags are purple now too

[primal oasis]

Over 24 hours to add a way to dispose of gold bags cause they don't want you getting too much gold and still nothing 🙄

[wild jay]

Just run weapon damage lol also I got 360 trip shotted in the face after jumping a dude so idk man. Rangers still good although it's possible dude was cheating lol

[worthy talon]

tf coin bags are purple for 5 gold???? makes no sense but ok ty

[clever flower]

anyone get stuck between a wall and a chest before?

[jaunty prawn]

nerfed projectile speed and the time that a hit slows on bows. oh no what a hugeeee nerf. boo hoo for the nº1 class for solos. rangers are still the king of goblin caves.

[native verge]

That still requires him to land his shots kek

[spare elbow]

Im guessing either they just slapped a rarity on it without much thought before rarity mattered for dungeon choice, or it was intentional so people cant accumulate as much gold in normals.

[wild jay]

Like I said he might've been cheating because I did dodge, but he managed to land all three if you saw it, you probably wouldve thought it was sus. Also the speed that he shot them was insane.

[spare elbow]

Honestly i think the hit reg/ rubberbanding etc need to be fixed a bit. A lot of times i dodge archer skeles same as i always do, watching the arrow fly several inchest to the side of my head and it still headshots me

[distant pivot]

You're obviously an idiot because top HR goblins is Bard and never has been ranger

[wild jay]

I only just recently figured out how to completely avoid it. Don't get too close basically. If you're too close you're gonna get hit

[agile tangle]

could be something like that, cause i never met a ranger that missed. Every single one has shroud like aim no matter the situation.

[median fjord]

the game gets lots of attention and patches, which I love, but I still feel like stacking +3 damage is in another tier than other stats 🙏

[spare elbow]

Brother ive been playing long enough to know how close i can be to still reliably strafe given my movespeed. Trust, that isnt the issue. The servers are still pretty unstable.

[jaunty prawn]

yeap the class that has been getting non stop nerfs and can only use survival bows and crossbows is the best for solos. sure thing buddy.

[wild jay]

Yeah in this game if you lag your character does stop moving completely server side so I see what you mean

[dark thorn]

yo can you still find purps in the normal dungeon?

[terse canopy]

Why wont they allow use to delete/ Sell Coin Purses , its kinda troll

[spare elbow]

It wasn’t much of an issue before you couldnt enter normals with them lol

[distant pivot]

Pre nerf bard was #1 ranked gob HR also now across the board no Ranger top 15. only class not to have a top 15 spot.

[native verge]

Can find them and equip them for that run even. But won't be able to queue back into normal unless you stash it or sell it

[lime fractal]

You can kinda sell coin purses. People pay with them enough, but they're always full, too. I've never gotten an empty or partially filled purse before.

[wild jay]

Well the leaderboards just started, it's too early to say anything right now. Rangers still plenty good just gotta use your brain. You have weapon damage stacks and traps plus one of the best heals in the game

[spare elbow]

Pics or didnt happen

[distant pivot]

Fighters are a problem, Movement speed, heals, 70% phys reduction, ability to play multiple playstyles although crossbow hit sprint into face for 1 shot tends to be most played variant rightnow. Every class is so weak right now except Barbarian and Fighter to the poin that its not even close in terms of balancing. These 2 classes in Solos litterally shit on any other class without much skill required

[jaunty prawn]

comparing a single player to the overall situation is dum dum. im pretty sure you could find wizards players in there but that doesnt mean wizards were destroying people on goblin caves. rangers have the best ranged dmg output from all the classes and have pretty good survivality.

[native verge]

And people like uToast not playing ranger right now, he's playing cleric. Quite a few people aren't leaderboarding because the changes are odd

[agile tangle]

100%

[native verge]

What kind of movespeed you got with 70% pdr? 😆

[distant pivot]

Wrong, they have no survivability, no escape, and projectile speed is reduced so they have no chance of even holding a long-range you either hit your first 2 shots or youll be rushed and die. If you dont hit a shot on engage youll get rushed as ranger thats the issue right now, its so reliant on a first hit everyone knows to just rush them thats the issue. I used to main Ranger and I feel so bad for them recieving all the nerfs when in reality fighters need nerfed. Theyre already to good at everything. Phys Reduction, Sprint, ability to shield arrows projectiles, block entrances, ability to catch up to you, or also disengage, ability to use every weapon situationally, thats an issue and so is movement speed on barbarian, they dont need move speed 15% when they have 200hp @native verge you can hit 295 with sprint thats enough to catch anyone when you land a shot with crossbow or longbow plus you got throwing axes to catch them while you sprint go play fighter some more bud ive been playing it since 2 patches ago and got fully geared without dying 1-20 easiest shiit in the game no skill at all

[dark thorn]

thanks'

[glossy marsh]

And what's your MR with that brodie? It's rock paper scissor

[distant pivot]

ive got to 295 base with 64% phys reduction you just stack agility with longsword and templar armor with honeskull youu people obivously dont play longsword repoze meta with crossbow. i can tell by how confused you are on. You dont need MR because you can just crossbow Wizards

[native verge]

That's assuming you land your first shot and they don't, you're assuming skill issue still with 70% pdr and having your abilities up

[wraith imp]

There is 3-4 stacked fighters in literally every GC HR lobby. It wasnt even that worse with rogues on their prime. They are totally brocken, especially with the ability to be even a better ranger with that crossbow damage

[jaunty prawn]

a single geared warlock would murder them all.

[gentle sphinx]

facts

[glossy marsh]

I have 2000+ hours in the game, every class lvl 20, I think you're just a crybaby. You can't just assume you're gonna headshot every hasted wizard you see. If so, go play your precious ranger you're complaining about Mr shroud

So "just headshot them" if you play fighter, but "Oh no I have to hit my shots on ranger or I die"

[distant pivot]

it isn't a skill issue that's my entire point. its a balancing issue, Rangers should have the ability to miss a few shots before the gaps closed, which is literally never the case you better hit all your shots or youre dead. Rangers can just be blocked with fighters which most dont expect, you just shield then sprint and kill them. Theyre no threat at all. Even on other classes theyre the first class in solos or crypts i go for because they only pose a threat in teams when left alone, @round basin Ive 3000 hours level 20 every class on 2 accounts (also on leaderboards)

[native verge]

If you're a ranger and you're standing still shooting at a fighter sprinting at you then yeah, skill issue... reroute and trap up its not rocket science they aren't 295 ms forever

[distant pivot]

my entire point is ranger has no escape mechanism. They're entirely tracking based, and with all of the terrain its easy to close gaps with reduced projectile speed,it's a larger nerf than youre assuming. @native verge Assuming youre standing still. Good logic. @glossy marsh why are you correllating wizards in ranger and fighter debate

[glossy marsh]

Fireball headshot deals 60%+ of a fighters HP

Rangers can shoot you in the legs to slow you infinite hello?

Cuz u cried about fighters being OP and I answered? Bro

[agile tangle]

I only ever play 3's and 2's and I 100% agree with YepToast. I never see Wizards in 2s or 3s. It's only barbs, figher and cleric. A few rangers, very rarely do I see warlocks or wizards. It's like this for a reason.

[vestal silo]

how to get rid of coin purses now?

[glossy marsh]

You can't be serious with this

[wraith imp]

Shooting a fighter in the legs? Good luck killing that fighter in about 12 hits before he reaches you.

[native verge]

If you're not standing still then a fighter should never touch you as ranger. Ranger movespeed way too good even if fighter gets sprint

[limber badge]

You wot

[agile tangle]

i swear we aren't playing the same game. Ya'll out here playing Dumb and Dumber.

[whole moss]

good question, if you have an answer i'm here for it cuz im asking myself the same

[weak umbra]

trade them to someone

i'm doing it every time i have too much of them, it takes like 2 mins to sell

[vestal silo]

people dont want them

[thin badger]

i just undressed myself was a big puzle to fit everything.. then filled my inventory with empty bags and now i gotta pay 75 to dump them in HR
such a easy fix.. let us sell them at vendor for 0 .. poof solved

[flat mountain]

the projectile nerfs are nothing, ranger is still goated

[limber badge]

Buffball is the meta. With Wizard. Wizard is also one of the best classes in the game.
Having a wizard in trios is extremely beneficial to any party. In duos it's still pretty damn good.

[lime fractal]

It's more about positioning, I think. You might be able to run fast, but if you have to waste time opening doors or avoiding traps they'll catch up too quickly.

[whole moss]

it is the only thing to do huh? i was already thinking about it, gold pouch needs to go to blue rarity, me thinks.

[thin badger]

they need to place a goblin merchant that goes to random places in the HR that collects pouches 😛

[native verge]

First thing I do entering new module as ranger is having second emergency exit, opening door or breaking barrier. Shouldn't have to avoid your own traps either. Both of those are non-issues if you play ranger correctly

[distant pivot]

@glossy marsh @flat mountain do you see a ranger in top 15 on any leaderboards? How come the meta has always been fighter cleric wizard since day 1 or Ball? Anytime the meta enters anything new like Warlock Ranger bard, they nerf it becaues cleric fighters are crying every single time. It doesn't make for good PVP because the Comps are set in stone if you want to end up bossing HR or youll just die to a comp with earthquake tank and heals. The only time you ever die to a Ranger I guarantee you is not solo, and if it is they got headshot on you with max phys and weapon damage build with crossbow or entirely outplayed you not becaues they 1 shot you as base rogue. its because they spent 3500 gold to get the base kit to 1 shot you (unless youre wizard wth 80hp. It was never because the class just rushed you to your face with 200 HP, or 3x your attack speed (rogue bard) or 70% phys reduction (fighter with sprint and crossbow), or slow haste invis 1 shot lightning striked you. My point is Rangers are weak even before the projectile nerf. Only issue in HR crypts was fighters with bows and crossbows. Its the accumilative nerfs with rangers when they should be nerfing other ranged playstyle classes and letting the ranger shine in its own playstyle. Because right now all incentivization goes to playing fighter with crossbow its a better ranger PERIOD.

[whole moss]

@thin badger it would be fun to have some npcs walking around in the dungeon that have some "wants", i hope quests will go toward that

[flat mountain]

ranger has never been weak, not even a little bit. at some points in development ranger was so strong it could be argued ranger was the game

[shell flicker]

Yea they can indeed, but it's not weird that creates more frustration, if they reverted the hotfix it shows they clearly agreed with the complaints to some degree

[subtle heart]

😭 bro they nerfed projectile speed on one weapon what are you on about

[whole moss]

Me thinks ranger is not weak, just boring as fk. Ranger has basically no speciality, you got a better use of range that's it. It's arguably the strongest class in the good circumstances. But HR and teams are not a good setup for a ranger most of the time. It's an all-in gamble every game

[thin badger]

that would be fun

[distant pivot]

If its the best class how come its not then. How come it never needed in HR or ever seeked out for play. Its because its a trash class that fighter does better or wizard does better or bard does better or rogue does better. They can all use crossbows and utilize a more unique playstyle with several angles to attack and defend from, where ranger is entirely shoot you from distance and if youre not dead by the time they get close youre dead 100%-100% of the time. Unless you got a legendary+ spear. @strong needle No you didnt because they can't 1 shot you as base kit, they cant 1shot you without spending 400 gold. and thats going all in on damage and not even getting meds or traps. blue crossbow+ blue weapon damage item = 1 shot. and you gotta hit the headshot. so its skill based the fact you got one shot is a byproduct of what the class does when everything works cohesively and youve spent the gold

[strong needle]

just got 1 shot by base kit with a grey longbow XD

[oblique spoke]

rangers are great in noob battles

[fathom vapor]

Please make shield bash good D:

[whole moss]

cuz it needs good setup and if you miss, you're in big danger, if you hit 100% of your arrows you ujst can't lose a fight, you don't even have to hit the legs to make them slower. BUT you need to setup your zone, traps for your exit, clear room not to catch aggro, you can't set that up in HR (games too fast) and in groups friends get in the way (unless full range party)

As I said, it's the strongest if it's got the setup, otherwise you get rolled, it's a all-in, you either roll or get rolled. And people like to have an impact on their game. so ranger being the gamble he is, is not a good way to rank up

[distant pivot]

This is exactly my point, not balanced. (I'm also on leaderboards) but also I just want to say I'm not saying the ranger is entierly useless class it has its moments but its definietly not a top 4 pick. Its definietly on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of team fights and in terms of solo HR gobs its about bottom of the barrel.

[strong needle]

1 tapped again first interaction, this time an actual base kit bow

[whole moss]

@fathom vapor yes please!!! shield bash is so bad even in low levels, shield playstyle is so fun and different it needs a lil love
@distant pivot maybe games need a bit of unbalance, otherwise you just optimise the fun out of the game. Ranger is very unpleasant to encounter, they stay far away and make you suffer, If you want balance I propose we remove slowdown on ranged hits but you get more hp for close encouter fights? more balanced that way, less fun tho

[glossy marsh]

That literally impossible but ok

[fathom vapor]

i did the math with like full phys dmg build and str and a headshot with shield bash in full bis would still only be like 92 dmg

[dreamy fog]

you mean to tell me i just woke up a day after patch and they still arent allowing gold coin purses in raid? LOL take loose gold out of raid then. useless like silver now. there for ambience or time wasting now

[whole moss]

A little love rangers could get is a quiver as a secondary item for the bow, No inv space sacrificed. some buffs for rarity and stuff

[chrome fog]

DAY TWO of asking for a queue separate from anyone in the Trader's Guild. (IRONMAN QUEUE, IRONMAN CHARACTERS) When you make a char, choose to lock it from trading and that can't be undone. You can't queue with anyone who can trade.

[oblique spoke]

i mean they love expirmenting, lets try it

[burnt gazelle]

who asked for the axe skeletons. theyre too inconsistant to dodge

[dreamy fog]

bro we BEEN talking ab the quiver. I think using half your inventory for arrows is their fix to rangers being so strong lol

[zinc kraken]

trying to que in greens but getting a message saying I can't be anything past blue? Nice..

[onyx current]

whens next wipe estimate

[severe locust]

you got coin pouch on?

[remote yarrow]

Coinbag, gold, candycorn all is legendary rarity

[muted birch]

Need to have gold ore only spawn on HR can't stand these meta gaming farmers

[jaunty prawn]

i just got 70% of my hp gone by a single blue longbow shot being a 38% pdr cleric. lmao. so anyways what were u saying about ranger?

[whole moss]

i find spears more* inconsistent *edit

[onyx current]

u get 1 tap by lightning strike

[zinc kraken]

lmao wow, thanks. At least the community has some brains

[distant pivot]

They stacked weapon damage and phys damage on all gear and have low base agi. 38% pdr is trash btw. especially for a plate class.youre obviously outgeared-- they also headshot you-- PS the highest ranked Ranger in leaderboard is ranked #20. Only class to be below rank 15 and not have a repeated placement

[jaunty prawn]

38% is more than any class other than fighter will get. a blue longbow shouldnt have dealt about 80-90 hp dmg no matter what the rolls on the item were.

[distant pivot]

It wasnt 80-90 damage it was about 64-69 damage and if its 38% phys reduction like you said it was like 58-62 damage

[cerulean escarp]

This game is the worst $35 dollars I have ever spent. I have been playing for the past 3 days and die every match. I have no idea how I’m actually supposed to achieve anything when each mob does a shit ton of damage and then geared players just come through and wipe me. This is the quickest way for this game to die. This game is not newcomer friendly in the slightest and I regret spending my money on it now.

[mint cedar]

barb and cleric can get way past 40 percent with full gear

[modern cape]

HR Ruins when? i dont have 2 friends sadge

[jaunty prawn]

bruv. i wasnt using full plate but i had 38% pdr and 120 hp. i got 70-75% of my hp bar gone from one hit. @mint cedar only if theyre using full plate and then the spells are pretty useless

[native verge]

Watch pve videos. Eventually you won't take any damage from mobs at all. Then game opens up more

[distant pivot]

if you get headshot by a ranger with a class that can use a shield its litterally a skill issue

[limber verge]

imagine nerfing bard again while not touching cleric. ridiculous.

[jaunty prawn]

keep excusing that a blue longbow dealt about 80-90 dmg on a single hit with 38% pdr. most classes would have been dead right away.

[thin sail]

bard getting fucked bc of barb lol

[viscid hamlet]

YO i heard they arep lanning for thius game to become next MMO is this true?.. this would be amazing mmo wow next wow

[cerulean escarp]

Man I’m really trying. I have been. I want to like this game so damn bad but I just get to this point to where I want to give up. If it’s not the mobs, which I have gotten a bit better at, it’s the geared players that run me through. Doesn’t matter what I play. I watched a cleric Aggro a room full of goblins and focus on me and the aggrieved went to me… like what?!

[cinder mauve]

if you want we can run some games and I can try to help you some

[distant pivot]

Assuming that every class has about 265 movespeed and moves like a turtle like cleric which is about the only easy kill as ranger that and wizard and warlock. Then yeah youre right they would be dead right away, to bad Rogues have 300 move speed, wizards have haste invis, and you cant hard peak them as ranger, and same for warlock, litterally youre just target dummy for rangers bad matchup gotta play it with terrain and use your shield to block arrows. because youre about 265 move speed and thats if youre geared. good thing you got shield and heals.

[cloud jungle]

for healing purposes, does it matter if you apply power of sacrifice or curse of pain first, I've been applying power of sac first since it has a longer duration

[thin sail]

once you get over the hiccup its really easy! just gotta snowball and get lucky, while avoiding some fights with very geared players if the comp isnt a winnable fight

[limber verge]

yeah absolutely true. what a joke, so disappointed. Meanwhile cleric has literally everything going for them.

[native verge]

I went in as fighter and learned how to kill almost every mob in goblin caves with fists. Pve went from hard to laughable. I can run circles around 3+ gobs now it makes the game much nicer

[jade nexus]

game has a very steep learning curve. Its kind of a shame the pre15 lobbies were removed for new players. On the other hand this created a smurfing problem.
The "geared" players get farmed in highrollers so they go where they can "survive" its just natural. Maybe u should try to avoid other players and learn the art of ratting ( trying to avoid players and scrambling for leftovers, basic rogue stuff).

[frigid basin]

Can you stream a game or 2? I bet you're making some obvious mistakes ... Plus it's early Access so there is no tutorial level or anything yet

[gusty wedge]

Have you tried learning the basics like pve? Pulling one mob at a time. Dodging their attacks and killing each one one by one so you have full hp before going into a fight?

[thin sail]

woah woah woah im a cleric main dont gbe gettin us nerfed haha, but id half agree only to an extent, cleric is hard to get the capacity to run lots of spells, especially if you build ar like me

[cold reef]

^This (The nightmare mobs are still a nuisance)

[jaunty prawn]

blablabla i cant hit my shots if people are not turtles and i wont accept that a single hit on range shouldnt do 80-90dmg on range with a decent pdr. whatever you say homeboy.

[distant pivot]

@cerulean escarp this game requires you to learn 1 class first and get your 2nd perk so you can stand a chance in PvP before level 5 you should focus on learning mob attack patterns and map layouts @jaunty prawn You're a support class not a combat class, quit complaining and learn to use your shield bub

[frigid basin]

Hahaha yep I learned how to play by going ranger no bow and punching every thing down

[native verge]

Ranger is nice too with biscuits to learn but don't get used to that speed lol

[whole moss]

I completly feel you, but it's very much a learning experience, and now that the game has had it's traction, it's much harder to learn. My best tip is look up PVE patern videos or just throw yourselves at mobs to understand how they work. Goblin Caves are hard but possibly much easier than anything else to maybe extract loot. I can send you some youtube videos of mob pattern if you want.

[jade nexus]

game really needs some tips/help/tutorial for new players 🤔 real shame they removed pre 15 lobbies. Tho enabling smurfing isnt good either.

[spare elbow]

Tbh if you think its the worst 35 dollars youve ever spent you should do more research before buying games… not tryna be rude but dang i feel you had to have 0 idea what you were getting into if this is your opinion

[whole moss]

to be fair, the game looks hella fun when you watch videos of it, people have a great opinion of it, but playing it feels VERY different than watching it

[quartz moth]

I feel like this could be extended to most games if you look at streamers vs first time experiences

[spare elbow]

You are right its easier for me to talk like it was an easy choice when i played 2 and a half free playtests lol

[frigid basin]

Yeah gotta remember this is early Access we are testing things... In the last month we went from everyone in hr/norms to under 15 lobby to gear score lobby and they will probably try 4 or 5 more things over the next month or 2 before they get it right

[whole moss]

yeaaaa, good point if forgot i played this game like 50h for free before buying it after the first wipe on launch, i knew what i was buying

[dense grove]

If anyone knows who "BongoBlast" or "DrunkenHood" are I'm the rogue from ruins!

[quartz moth]

As problematic as it may be, the gearscore goblin caves yesterday (I played for like 4 hours ish) were the most chill lobbies I have seen. Better than the pre15 smurf lobbies by far.

[modest canyon]

People aren’t gonna be happy until they only allow one rarity per lobby, then people will complain “these guys are running around in good rolls while im stuck with bad ones!”

[viscid hamlet]

HOW MUCH GOLD DO GOLD COIN BAGSS HOLD

[limber verge]

Yep, this update was only for the lowest common denominator.

[chrome fog]

looking for a noob to teach bosses to, need 1 any class

[dense grove]

Slippery slope fallacy and not a particularly good one either. A lot of people are calling for more intelligent gbmm since gear gating is the dumbest and most brutish while being the least effective method.

[native verge]

I honestly wish they would have kept normal goblin caves 1 map and change hr to the 3 map. I learned the game on gc and it made it easy when I could learn the map in no time. These new players have to learn 3 new maps if they're solo

[viscid hamlet]

@whole moss u have INFORMATION FOR ME I KNOW IT

[spare elbow]

Fitty

[distant pivot]

Litterally just hit this cleric with 36 arrows and didnt kill him- ended up getting teamed on by a rogue cleric on Goblins good game.

[whole moss]

i've been talking about gear limit with friends, i'm very happy it's here but I wonder, what could be the downside? I can't really think of any if someone has a point of view to share

Yes gold pouches are problematic, currently the only way to get rid of them is to fill up your inv and go lose them in a HighRoller lobby. @viscid hamlet

[tender swallow]

This new rule about the blue stuff limitation is actually the proof that the Game director don't have any knowledge on Balancing rules.

[modest canyon]

PDR + perseverance = you do nothing to clerics without armor penetration

[arctic cove]

Seeing multiple people now with 'invincibility' hacks where they can just walk through attacks and they dont register at all from mobs or other people. Watched a ranger confidently walk into a mob of 10 mobs and hang around in them for 30 seconds.

[unique hound]

remove spectating people are using it to cheat

[formal moon]

The problem with gear lobbies is that you'll have longer ques and the same problem of getting dunked on by people will just perfect rolls. So you won't be able to find good gear to beat them. Because they'll be wearing a perfect pubstomp set, while you try to piece meal one together

[limber verge]

then report them?

[dense grove]

Okay so the downsides are really more focused on gear gating than gbmm in general. With gear gating you essentially are forcing more players into a second queue, if you break down the current system further thats more queues therefor potentially increasing queue times. The other issues are less gameplay variety and both less zero to hero moments while having a higher focus on minmaxing. This can be solved with a more complex gbmm that instead of purposefully gating gear into seperate groups it organizes players based on usable stats (what stats are usable being based on class) and then uses that organized group to intelligently create queues depending on how the devs want that to go down.

[spare elbow]

Wdym? You cant spectate enemy players until your whole team is wiped

[whole moss]

But perfect rolls are still not legendary or purple level of perfect rolls. I killed a team very juiced in a 2v3 with a friend yesterday. I had barely decent greens. And I'm not the only one who managed to win a fight because the gap was much less big between both of the teams

[tropic anchor]

I dont have a single purple item in my inv or on me and it wont let me into normals. Why?

[modest canyon]

Have two accounts - Queue HRGC at the same time, immediately die on one char and use the other as a radar type cheat. Just now thought of it but I don’t doubt some people are doing that

[robust quail]

What's a fence?

[distant pivot]

blue survival bow, did absolutely nothing even trapped him kited him and everything 36 arrows not dead.ended up getting teamed on in solo map good game

[unique hound]

people have been doing just that, expect with multiple people

[limber verge]

someone that sells gear for another person and takes a cut of the profits.

[native verge]

Survival bow against someone with the -3dmg perk and pdr will do like 9 dmg a shot my guy

[formal moon]

Then short of lobby ques taking forever, it might work. I think the reason you're currently able to beat those players. Is because Leaderboards just opened up and lots of people are pushing them

[dense grove]

a small wooden wall usually made of planks or such?

@formal moon see my previous post for a breakdown of how to easily fix that and maintain some level of gbmm

[modest canyon]

@distant pivot And if he’s juiced he probably as a lot of high quality clarity pots so healing isn’t an issue

[strong relic]

gold pouch

[half frigate]

They did the gear limit in the wrong way, because now all I ever run into is best in slot blue geared teams every lobby because there is no/little risk to them with no purples in the lobby. This also heavily needed candy corn and made it so finding purples in normal dungeons even less exciting because if it’s not best in slot it is basically useless now. In short now everyone is running best in slot blues and running buff ball(wiz barb cleric) which is essentially unbeatable rn

[spare elbow]

Who else making a nasty poo rn? I need moral support — lol didnt mean to reply sorry mate

[formal moon]

couldn't you just break that with going in naked and having your gear in your inventory? Or one person holding the gear so your average is bad and them dropping it

[dense grove]

The game knows whats in your inventory, the average can be done a number of ways. Its not like the game is completely blind to your inventory contents or else when you queue'd in that inventory would be lost. (I guess this would negatively impact anyone carrying multiple crossbows but honestly fuck em)

@spare elbow I'm aware. Thats the point I was making. If it detects rarity and the stats get transfered over correctly then it definitely can pull stat values from gear in your inventory

[ivory cedar]

If you think casuals are the lowest common denominator you need your ego checked- they the people that keep the numbers up and spend money in the store, seeing as they’re usually employed and all that.

[unique hound]

remove spectating, cheaters are using it to snitch your location. all you need is someone you know to queue in from another team and die.

[spare elbow]

It already detects rarity in inventory thats why we cant que with pouches or purple consumables

[limber verge]

There's a difference between casuals and people that run nothing but default gear every run. If you find offense to what I said you should reflect inward instead of lashing out at me.

[dense fulcrum]

LOVE GETTING ONE TAPPED FROM MY SPAWN IN MY BEST GEAR BY A CROSSCOW BARD YAY SUCH GREAT GAME PLAY

[ivory cedar]

This is the dark and darker discord not the Dalai Lama. Get off your entitled saddle

[whole moss]

Is there different lobbies in normal roll depending on your gear? I've seen people saying this but i do encounter full blues in my un-geared runs. And I can't find any info on it being implemented.

@dense grove I agree with most everything you said except this : The other issues are less gameplay variety and both less zero to hero moments while having a higher focus on minmaxing. This is not what we're seeing in the game? Gameplay variety is the same, gear limitation has not brought out a specific class over the others. And the hero to zero moment is even more present. The gear gap between the zeros and the hero's of normal lobbies makes the "good plays" shine. Where before even playing well against a purple deckedout team was not even a thing. And the focus on minmaxing, well thats not gonna change much, it only affected the market by dropping purple and legendaries price on sell since going HR has little reward for the risk (and the money involved yeesh)

[sand zenith]

Seems like it’s happening at a pretty low rate.

[modest canyon]

It’ll happen more if you keep talking about it

[unique hound]

if low rate means 5%, then 5% of your games you are just gonna die to this bullshit if you have gear they want

[spare elbow]

Best update yet game is nearly perfect im buying 300$ worth of red shards to show my support

[cloud jungle]

does it matter if you apply power of sacrifice or curse of pain first with respect to healing? I've been applying POS first because it has a longer duration

[formal moon]

ya, imo they need more money for devs. Cause they're not moving forward very well

[lofty arch]

Can anyone explain why my explosive bottles/oil lanterns don't leave a pool of fire half of the time? It just explodes and does nothing... is it because it's directly hitting the player and not the environment?

[half frigate]

I disagree I have wiped full purple teams with minimal gear because those gears were not bis. Limiting the gear just made it so that all people do is run bis blue and become unkillable by the average player especially since now the average player can’t even find decent loot in norms with the massive loot chance decreases

[fickle locust]

Should be only oil lanterns do that

[spare elbow]

I mean i played for an hr or two last night and only saw this maybe once. Even still, a bis blue team is more killable than a bis purple or orange team. At the end of the day of course it isnt perfect but it is helping encourage more geared teams to go in high rollers

[arctic cove]

New kris dagger animation is semi broken, the first side swing doesnt register most of the time

[whole moss]

my point too, i see so much people defending tooth and nail those perfect blues are so much stronger than average purples. i just don't understand it. for the first time since i've been playing this game i've been able to outplay people and win fights, by the grit of my teeth mind you, and gain some loot while entering with nothing, OR severely punish those teams when I play with friends.
very personal feeling mind you, I'm a very casual player

[distant pivot]

just hit fightert with 9 arrows 18% phys reduction not dead.

[fluid kelp]

I am having a great time this patch. I always wanted to play ranger seriously and I did not want to before because I would hop on and it was blatantly leagues above any other class. Now I feel that they still are a bit OP but they definitely are just a little weaker than before so I have been playing ranger and it is a lot of fun. I also am just having a really good time on fighter and warlock. The game is just a lot more fun than it was a week or two ago.

[vagrant path]

Leaderboard should only count your best 8/10 runs per day and be toggleable so you can go into hr for fun and not have it counted against you so you can still play HR more casually and not have to go for boss every time if you're going for that part of the leaderboard

[dense grove]

Crosscow bard? A bard crossed with a cow?!? A MINOTAUR!?

@whole moss So what I mean by that is you aren't going from naked to caped in purples. Your top end zero to hero is limited to blue in standard lobbies which some people find as a negative. Secondly, I'd argue that minmaxing has gone up at least slightly as most players aren't running as randomly mixed kits. You're seeing more full stat specific blue sets as opposed to sets of greens and purples and blues. Its something we'd need to see data for since we can't prove anythign without the data. (sorry for late reply my SO came home)

[next summit]

NEED TROLL PELT> WiLL DO WHATEVER FOR

[dense grove]

I want the sloppy toppy. Elsewise you could try killing troll?

[half frigate]

See this is where we disagree, yes bis blue is normally more killable however with the loot nerfs not so much. Also the great thing about the game was yes you could wear bis orange or purple but I only ever saw that in hr, where as most people wore average purples in norms which meant if you wanted to run your best set you risked it, and people were saving bis for hr but now everyone is just running bis blue with little to no repercussions. I ran into this every game last night for over 4 hours. I think they did this wrong especially after nerfing loot. Another reason I disagree is because not non bis purples have been completely nullified and made useless because to use purples you have to go to hr which everyone is using bis gear to roll lobbies. Like the idea they tried but wrong implementation if they wanted to do a gear limit do a gear score not gear rarity because gear rarity has so much more variables than gear score

[vagrant path]

Part of it is because rolls don't necessarilly scale with gear and only some gear has a stat increase from blue to purp that is significant. If gear scaled with rarity more consistently that could also help

[prime needle]

why do devs insist on making gold a physical item in the stash instead of having it outside.,.. so stupid

[cloud jungle]

is it really that easy to get full BIS blues? if everyone is doing that won't the cost of blues skyrocket?

[cold talon]

100% agree with this. You could farm up a bit and get a decent set for like 1.5k gold with a purple or 2 and be a real threat to the people wearing full BIS blues. But not there is no way to be on their level unless you are spending 4-5k and they can go in with no fear of someone being a threat because nobody will have better gear than them. So they can W key anyone without thinking

[dense grove]

I mean we could also look at the actual way gbmm is being implemented. You don't HAVE to gate by rarity, you could instead do intelligent looks at what stats are actually being brought to the table?

[green tiger]

wcheck for money, sellabes can be purp and gold coins are unique

[next summit]

tried, aids as cleric

[deft cloud]

Why haven't they implemented a gear score system for going into normals and HR. That way people can't be smashed over stats solely.

[kindred valley]

Hey guys, what can i do with the old rusty key?

[half frigate]

That I can agree with but I still think that they did the gear limit wrong and limited the wrong things. Like not being able to bring in gold bags. I just feel like purples have been made basically useless unless it’s bis. @cloud jungle bis blues USED to be easy to get when you had higher loot in chest last patch and when you could kill players wearing only 1 piece of bus blue: now no one is wearing them without the bis blue set. Also with the price scyrocketing…. Great worse game economy with less gold in the game because worse loot unless you go HR

[lofty arch]

That's not what a game surrounded by the concept is loot is about lol. The point of loot is to have an advantage and the point of skill is to fight or exploit that advantage. Everyone keeps asking this but are only familiar with games with an MMR system

[gritty flume]

Game isn't playable until the ai is fixed and servers are better. Can't play the game when skull bats fly through you and get you stuck against walls, unable to now hit the bat because it's glitched in your model. Can't play the game when you try to jump over a SINGLE spider and you somehow get flung into a corner surrounded and dead. Can't play the game when you lag back into head-aimbotting skele crossbowman shots for 70% of your hp. Can't play the game when mobs target and hit you 3 seconds after you go invis. 80% (literally) of my deaths are due to some stupid ai interaction or lag guaranteeing my death. How are more people not complaining about ai and lag. The game isn't even FUNCTIONAL and people talk incessently about balance. Make the game work first thanks

[cloud jungle]

I guess they nerfed it but I've been leveling a warlock this morning and I'm already in full blues at lvl 7 so it can't be that bad

[dense grove]

?_? Isn't the latest patch available to you?

@gritty flume This seems to be an issue with your internet, make sure you're on the right server and if youre usa try swapping east to west or west to east. I have zero of those problems and from what I've seen the average person also has zero of those problems

[deft cloud]

Haven't played the game in 3 weeks lol. I just lurk here once a blue moon to see the complaints

[fluid kelp]

I have played this game nonstop since early access was released and played two of the playtests nonstop as well. For my time in early access, this is the best the game has felt to me by far. I can have fun in High Roller against opponents who are taking the game seriously and Low Roller feels a lot better when I just go in with starter gear. This game, like any other, will never be perfect but it is getting close to it I feel. So I agree with you!

[prime needle]

the p[eople who play this gamew and are unironically complaining in this discord are psych ward patients XD

[half frigate]

Yes but is it BIS blue and that just means you got extremely lucky I played for hours last night with my friend who runs bard he had 150-250 luck every game and we found 1 bis equipment the whole night. So yes the loot is much worse I found 2 purples and 1 blue for my class the whole night

[dense grove]

You clearly have no concept of what a psych ward really is or what the patients there are like.

[cloud jungle]

ah I only play solo so I probably have a much easier time

[limber badge]

Good pfp

[lofty arch]

If you're looking for BiS you either farm for gold and buy it or you take it off someone else. Can't really expect BiS going around opening chests. You can easily find pieces with 1 BiS perk. To me it honestly doesn't feel much different

[fallen kayak]

bro how am i supposed to get rid of my gold purse.... can't sell them anywhere. so what i need to pay the fee to go into highroller and drop them? 🥲

[half frigate]

For gob caves yes it’s great but bis blues running buff ball are actually unkillable and everyone is running it, every lobby. 3s rn is terrible.
@lofty arch see the thing is, loot in general is a lot worse pre patch I was getting 200-300 a run which to by bis gear is like 5-7g a set last night I found maybe 10 blue sellable a and 1 purple which is terrible. Also you say it doesn’t feel much different but honestly the change is massive and much worse. Every lobby I go in rn is just bis gear buff ball which is 100 % unkillable unless you are running it yourself

[fluid kelp]

I think you are just nitpicking to be honest. And I think you are overexaggerating with the amount of BiS blue players that are running around. It is definitely more common than before but at least they are not purple BiS players stomping people who are new. And the game right now is better than the pre-15 lobbies that people were just abusing as well by obtaining purples via their friends and then just shit-stomping new players. It will never be perfect and I am glad that the devs are just constantly trying new things. After this most recent patch I am genuinely looking forward to new things for the game instead of just having my fingers crossed that they are going to nerf xyz (that is, until I run into a ranger in all purples in HR on one of my characters and I am not also a ranger in good gear--I reserve my right to come back and complain about that if it happens and if it is still oppressive to fight).