game-discussion

[gritty flume]

Not knowing much about software, is it simple to spend time and resources on server functionality? Or does that require heavy investment or what? The game is almost OK balance wise (minus ranger maybe xd), are they able to just 'focus on servers' for a while?

[odd siren]

just lost a ton of gear because my game fucking kicked me out. Was fighting a centipede and all of a sudden got the "It Ended Abruptly" pop up, wtf is this game duede

[jagged dew]

good thing you cant refund the 35 dollar cash grab

[rancid oar]

Straight up, game sucks now. bring back solo self found, trade shidders and any other form of pay to win is always a losers game design.

[thorny gazelle]

I just escaped from a blue portal with full inventory and i got back to menu with empty everything before i went in lol...

[limber verge]

cry

[grim pine]

@jagged dew So the case from what i can see is still going on in SK but was dismissed in US court. Unfortunatly from what I can see the korean courts are still going strong

[vapid oyster]

the US court threw it out because they were trying to like double dip on lawsuits. Threw it out because they already had an active lawsuit going in KR

[weak owl]

Lol...round and round we go. I have seen so many of these bs cash grabs...it is nuts that this is the best gaming has to offer some jank ass broken dungeon pvpve crawler assest flip where the devs act the same each time trying to figure out how to siphon as much money and the proceed to tank their game so they dont have to pay for servers. Calling it now.

[thorny gazelle]

I mean it is early access and theyre constantly working on the game and making changes lol wym cash grab :/

[limber verge]

What he means is he probably died and is now mad at the game.

[zealous chasm]

Hold on, you have no proof of how much the company is making in any way. You're just talking sheet. Go away

[jagged dew]

just cause they are "working on it" doesnt mean its not a cash grab it feels like the refuse to fix bugs and fuck the economy on purpose every patch

[karmic vortex]

Arrrghhh errghhh arrrghhhh me angry at video game me complain about it

[rustic moon]

its a wallet warrior game now. just like wow. shame. i was hoping for something more than farm my way to gear diffing people. makes sense in an mmo but not in an extraction game imo. never thought this game would be worse than tarkov balance wise

[zealous chasm]

So what can you buy with your money to make you win the game?
A mule account doesn't help you win in any way.
Cosmetic skins don't contribute either.
Let's here what you bought to get winning all the time!

[vapid oyster]

he whining about people having better gear than him, which is only possible by buying gold of course lol

[rustic moon]

go to trade. buy all +1 all, +str gear, win. its not that hard man. you either buy gold or gc to get there

[brisk kindle]

question fro you bard enjoyers out thier, does encore make you play a good song or perfect song, does the song upgrading perk do anything if u only play through encore anyways?

[jagged dew]

1 usd = 1k coins need i say more?

[drowsy field]

best way to get candycorns?

[vapid oyster]

looting

[brisk kindle]

the game is in early acces, not even alpha or beta let alone full release, settle down bud. things are going to change ALOT. you can never stop the credit card warriors some people just suck and blow at games like this but they have spare cash, just the way it is.

[cedar sun]

Explain me how a grey barbarian with grey horseman axe can duble shot me full blue / purple ranger

[rustic moon]

[drifting hinge]

Crying about game in early access 😄

[exotic gust]

early access is just another word for full release in 2023

[jagged dew]

every lootable has a 2% chance of a candy corn drop in highroller its 4% but candy corn is worthless now so dont farm for it @cedar sun btw ANY melee class with spawn kit can kill a geared ranger its kind of in the name ranger makes you wanna stay at range

[midnight mantle]

Nah bro fortnite is still in true early access smile

[vapid oyster]

thinking rangers are tanky in any amount of gear

[zealous chasm]

I like that the ranger can kick butt with a sword, and then duel wield and get bonus attacks w/o any investment in perks/skills

[sinful compass]

hey guys can someone tell me if true physical damage gets on top or is it just that for example you have +1 true and deal 10 damage and 9 is normal and 1 is true damage

[rich owl]

Every ranger that tried going melee on me has died. That can work on other classes but not on fighter/barbarian.

[wide briar]

Looking for a 3rd. Someone who won’t tell us how to play. We just wanna have fun. You can play what ever class we don’t care

[cedar sun]

ok dude but now u can t hear people walking. Should i don t move from a spot to play against this shit

[jagged dew]

enhanced hearing perk or better headphones your complaining people can be patient

[ruby sleet]

i hear fine, maybe its a user specific bug @cedar sun

[nocturne merlin]

i just had my team get split in the crypts. it happened to my team and another in the game.

[steel ledge]

1-14 15-20 bracket doesnt work anymore :/

[cold spire]

[shut snow]

Under 15 lobby’s don’t exist anymore they got rid of it

[turbid quest]

Just escaped and it didn’t give me my stuff I extracted with.

[tepid hazel]

Spear makes pve really easy

[zealous chasm]

Give all the melee type characters biscuits, and it's game over for the Rangers

[urban cypress]

genuine question. is there ever a time where your having fun fighting against a ranger? i dont think the class is necessarily OP even though the base kit is bar none most forgiving in game. the class is so unfun to fight, after fighting a ranger i just feel annoyed.

[cinder spoke]

Embarrassing them always feels good. That's about it.

[silent pulsar]

for the grand total of 3 days where there wasn't +15 weapon dmg on gear (2 at the start of the patch and the 1 wipe day recently), the ranger felt ok to fight against then.

[gritty flume]

I'm literally watching two double ranger comps with all blue longbows fight each other in ruins that also killed us man lmaoooo. Once ranger gets reigned in i honestly think the game is balanced. Then it's GOTTA be server maintenance time. PLEASE. FUCK druid honestly. Make the game playable

[urban cypress]

idk where or how they balance the class

[silent pulsar]

idk about that tbh. To me, phy dmg reduction as a stat is the significant issue with oppressive comps

[tardy sandal]

How is a guy moving at 60% move speed oppressive?

[gritty flume]

Maces, warmauls, magic damage, penetrating shot, crossbows, every class has an armor pen mechanic now. Ranger does not give a SHIT about your phys reduction if they have either a windlass or penetrating shot.

[urban cypress]

was thinking maybe something along the lines of a stamina bar? so you cant loose 98 arrows in 3 minutes, or maybe even a mechanic where a ranger cant infinitely hold an arrow knocked? idk

[silent pulsar]

I'm taking high roller here. Where they are moving at speed cap and have sprint/shout to reduce that issue.

[vernal reef]

is there ganna be a reset any time soon?

[tardy sandal]

Now you’re just talking about barbarians not pdr…

[jagged dew]

just watched a token of honor fall through the floor :I -600G i guess early access game

[severe stone]

lvl 8 in GC full purple and some legendry in a normal game lvl 20 fuck this game what a awful change the game is near unplayable cant pvp all i can do is hide and run only way to find some success is to play with a team even then its the same issue

[feral owl]

whats the meta team comp

[cosmic glen]

barb, wiz , cleric

[upbeat notch]

I wonder what promise Ironmace will break next? Maybe they'll add p2w

[spare elbow]

Who moves at 60% ms?

[limber verge]

cry

[tardy sandal]

Fighterswith shield out while going full pdr

[last orbit]

if the quests for this game are even half as bad as tarkov's quest I am going to destroy the moon

[upbeat notch]

Then why are people complaining that Bard is still strong? What would he bring to a comp aside from chest opening and luck?

[spare elbow]

Maybe a fighter w no stat benefits full gray plate and heaviest weapon/shield combo possible. Even then i wanna say 65-75% at worst assuming they have perk

[cosmic glen]

LMAO I GOTTA LAUGH IN UR FACE

[feral owl]

fax

[upbeat notch]

Haste is way better than accelerando, +3 all attribute seems good added to +3 knowledge and will. Anything else? I mean he's not in the meta buff ball anymore is he?

[tardy sandal]

Is thst oppressive though when they’re that slow

[cosmic glen]

ive never complained about a bard in my life when haste plus invis u get a free kill everytime plus back up from cleric i get pocket heal where i will never die

[spare elbow]

Bard w cleric for clarity is nice. Bard i played w yesterday was absolutely slapping i think he killed more player than our warlock. I just pumped him heals and he frontlined lol.

[short sparrow]

He still works in buff ball but I'd say wiz cleric is better

[signal jay]

why is it when i spawn in i get swamped by mobs but when i watch other streamers, there aren't as many mobs

[feral owl]

bro are u a bot? bard weakens u slows u and speed buffs u thats free kill on a team

[worldly remnant]

I think rangers should be able to slow more on hit with impact tbh

[upbeat notch]

So bard is a ghetto fighter/rogue now?
@feral owl Slows you by what 20 flat move speed? That's not even worth the time to switch to your lute, not mention you have to be pretty much close enough to make out with your victim if you want to slow him.

[cosmic glen]

w ghost

[feral owl]

yo whos side u on bro 😭

[spare elbow]

Maybe HR has lower mob density since mobs are tougher

@upbeat notch bard always had the capacity to deal a ton of melee damage, most people just didnt before because his songs were so op it was better to jus song spam

[upbeat notch]

I like his songs before not because they were OP but because they were fun. I felt like I was contributing to the team. Now when I join a team they give me a luck+ potion and tell me to loot and not play songs unless we're already in pvp. Others also yell at me if I play songs in pvp instead of melee/crossbow.

[rancid oar]

Straight up, game sucks now. bring back solo self found, trade shidders and any other form of pay to win is always a losers game design.

[trim ravine]

how is this game pay to win

[spare elbow]

I agree. I wish they wouldve just leaned into making him a complete support role with almost no combat capacity. I loved just rotating 10 different songs all game to keep my team mega buffed. This almost sounds like sarcasm but im being real

[rancid oar]

@trim ravine you buy gold and then you use the gold to buy gear via trade...its not that hard to figure out.

[feral owl]

bard is still good yall just hit ur skill cap with the recent nerf

[fringe zinc]

bard is trash, they should just delete the class honestly

[trim ravine]

the game doesn't sell gold

[clear aspen]

Are there still under lvl 15 lobbies or nah?

[spare elbow]

Idk bard is pretty great at least on a good player. Bard i play w yesterday carried us 7 wins in a row including hell with warlock cleric

[rancid oar]

@trim ravine they dont have to...are you being for real bro?

[upbeat notch]

People buy gold off of sites and then use it kit themselves? At least Ironmace isn't encouraging it.
@spare elbow Yeah that's the bard gameplay that I loved, I don't think it's worth doing now even if I could get 10 songs. But hey they finally fixed Warsong, too bad it never worked when bard was fun.
How did you play bard the other day? Song focused or melee/crossbow?

[spare elbow]

It was guy i was playing with, he was mainly crossbowing them until a push occured then he would hold them melle and keep LOS so i could heal. He has quite a lot of phys damage stacked too. Only major buffs he used was stat buff otherwise he was self buffing and clarity for my sits. I dont even think he was debuffing enemies

[stiff sigil]

This game is tough solo

[opal mist]

what is the best class rn?

[upbeat notch]

That sounds about right for the bard meta. I don't usually want to nerf other people's fun but I want my support focused bard back.

[spare elbow]

Yeah it was fun while it lasyed

[arctic tulip]

does anyone know if the trolls health resets when you walk out of the door and he turns around?

[cyan prairie]

so they changed all the +all att to be +1?

[cinder salmon]

yh

[opal mist]

what is the best class rn?

[broken raptor]

where is the old rusty key now used?

[fiery vine]

How do I fight a rouge? Our group can't seem to kill rouges because they just spam the attack button after they tank a strike to the face.

[fading drum]

Wow nice to know that the use of gold powder is of none, Why in gods name is there a craftable item that in which has zero use?

[lunar summit]

can't snort bars

[upbeat notch]

To remind you that it used to exist and inflict further emotional wounds should you get nostalgic.

[hollow mountain]

around 3k but troll pelt exploded in value

[fading drum]

point made

[rich owl]

Probably a sneak peak? Why so many people need to complain instead of look at the bright side?

[upbeat notch]

It's really hard to see a bright side to this game after the constant lies and nerfs and changes of directions we get.

[signal jay]

this game isnt very beginner friendly :(

[rich owl]

How did they lie? Besides, what you said in change of directions and nerf, that almost feel like this game is still in development... oh wait.

[agile orchid]

Did they revert servers back to be all levels?

[rancid patio]

Is there any reason to use chain lighting? It seems like the worst choice to take cause you always end up blasting yourself

[stiff sigil]

Nope. It’s been very difficult. Mainly running into 3 mana

[zinc totem]

What should the price of troll pelt go for. Can’t buy it for even 1250 gold the max you can pay in gold bags

[tardy sandal]

Buy it for keys

[upbeat notch]

@rich owl
They said in hotfix #14 that they were putting down the nerfhammer and looking at buffing, then the patch we get less than a week after comes with additional nerfs (another one for bard) and several for warlock as well. Then there's the interview with the devs almost a year ago that said balance was important but not at the expense of fun yet they've been all to happy to sacrifice fun at the altar of balance repeatedly. Not that some of those weren't deserved, it's just clear what sort of devs they are. It's not like they can claim they're new to the industry and figuring things out as they go, they've got tons of game dev experience.

[tardy sandal]

Nah, their main objective is to keep ranger as the strongest class without letting people know

[loud creek]

it’s definitely more of a hardcore game but you’ll figure it out quick if you are attentive enough

[glass locust]

cockatrice has WAY too much health. needs a nerf literally now

[karmic comet]

Get good bb

[upbeat notch]

By all means keep rangers as they are. Just let me have fun on the classes I love to play.

[signal jay]

what do i do when i spawn in and i get swarmed by 10 mobs?

[pearl cloud]

Why nerf weakpoint back to 30% ugh

[loud creek]

find spots to cheese them, kite them, learn how to hit and move away

Or leave

You'll find out what's best for each class soon enough. Not learning = Skill issue

[tardy sandal]

Nah, if they buff all classes including ranger, ranger won’t be strong anymore

[hallow topaz]

How much would my blue spellbook with +5 magical power sell for?

[upbeat notch]

That's the thing, nerfs especially base numbers nerfs are the worse way to balance a game and should only be used in the most dire of situations.

[ebon quest]

Anyone else getting horrible lag in game with sounds breaking, animations not going etc etc

[grim lance]

just got 2 hit by a rogue with tons of +add magical damage

[mossy adder]

throw warlock in the trash

[maiden bear]

Who do I talk to about a group queing in goblin cave as 3s

[idle sky]

Are some people using chatbots for trade?

Cause I've seen someone reposting the same ad for 8 hours now about buying something.

[vivid pendant]

therapist??

[rich owl]

I won't deny that they dropped the ball with hotfix 15 but wouldn't be a surprise with how many complainers there are in this chat. Warlock was definitely out of parameters as a new class and it wasn't much of a surprise when they got nerfed, but hotfix 15 nerfed them too harshly, in fact nerfed everyone too harshly. Hotfix 16 made things a lot better except for the habitual complainers and went to most acceptable gear modifiers (+1 all and more). Tbh devs listen too much to the community complainers and try to maintain most of the playerbase but this will never work out. But i agree, saying they put down the nerfhammer was a wrong move.

[maiden bear]

So something thats obviously against the rules that people are doing hales me as the person to go see a therapist very logical........

[empty sun]

#discord-help

[tawdry minnow]

is armor penetration bugged? i have +2.8% armor pen on my sword and my character sheet says 0% armor pen

[warped raft]

check it when your sword is out, sadly our out of match paper doll does not show certain things like that

[upbeat notch]

I was ready to uninstalled completely demoralized by the time we hit hotfix #14 the only thing that kept me around was the promise that they were putting down the nerf hammer. This is obvious that's not going to be the case. I also don't care about the gear balancing anywhere near what I care about the class balance and I don't want a low balance point for classes and all the power coming from gear. Yeah gear needs to be worth something but when all the power of a class comes from loot you get too much gear disparity and the classes themselves feel bland, so bland.

[short copper]

if you dont like the game than leave and quit the bitching otherwise sit back and enjoy the ride nerds, never seen an EA game with devs updating it so constantly this is a great project look forward to the future!

[gaunt lake]

Getting killed by a player fully geared and with all perks etc is frustrating as a low level new player. I understand its the experience but jeez. I enjoy the game but it is very frustrating when it happens every game I have been in as a lower level.

[upbeat notch]

Leave to where?

[alpine scarab]

whats the price on golden keys?

[flat cedar]

How much is a gold bar worth?

[quaint lodge]

servers lagging a lil or nah

[upbeat notch]

Leave to where? Where can I find a similar experience to what this game used to have? And sitting back and "enjoying" the ride feels like taking a knife to my own stomach. I can't bring myself to do anything but sit in the menu and do nothing because I know queuing up won't provide the experience I yearn for.

[quaint lodge]

early access

[velvet kelp]

nerf boc when? the dmg is so stupid

[frank saddle]

Is there a friend system

[upbeat notch]

If they're bouncing back and forth I could chalk it up to early access, but even as an early access game they're just consistently going deeper into a downward spiral of suck.

[quaint lodge]

maybe for you, im enjoying it lol

[upbeat notch]

Enjoying what exactly? Aside from the content patches, how has the game gotten better since early August and even before that?

[frank saddle]

What are you crying about though

[quaint lodge]

im a simple man give me a warmaul i go brrrrr

[spice canopy]

Idk if anyone else has been noticing this but the amount of boots you get is insane compared to actual armor

[gentle tartan]

Hi, what does 10RX1 mean ?

[upbeat notch]

The broken promises from the devs, the constant nerfs, the change in the values of the devs. Particularly the change from fun being more important than perfect balance to balance is more important than anything even at the cost of fun. It leaves classes feeling bland. Loot is important but it's becoming the only thing this game seems to be about.

[errant knot]

Keep nerfing eventually everything is useless gotta buff other up to where the best stuff is

[limber verge]

it's because the streamers are cheating!!!1

[errant knot]

So many streamers get caught cheating I wouldn't be surprised

[plain elm]

Haven't played since Goblin Caves(solo) came out, but is it that common to come across duo's and trio's in the solo caves? attempted six times for the first time today, and I keep running into two/three dudes who are all looting amongst themselves, then turn on me. What's the typical path to get geared/leveled now these days?

[bronze vessel]

is anyone elses game closing when they enter the lobby

[upbeat notch]

You need to pick a balance point. All classes need to feel fun to play, sure not everyone will enjoy every class but every class needs to be fun to play for people who want to play that class. Once you find that you can adjust the classes around that point. But this is really hard to do when you don't have all the classes on the board. You also need to commit to not sacrifice what makes those classes fun and don't get me wrong there's tons of ways to balance classes without hitting that core experience that's central to a class' playstyle.

[upbeat notch]

Yeah you can team up with people you meet and take on others but you're not allowed to join the game with a preset team.

[winter fiber]

any1 getting game ended abnormally?

[cunning dirge]

SERVERS ARE BACK UP RESTART

[limber lantern]

I hate getting disconnected from the game thinking the whole server did only to have to close game close launcher and launch back up and see 2 people running off with my kit and treasure..

[clear sun]

second time iv opened a chest with no loot in the same spot on ruins map chest near the shrine

[olive glen]

Certainly i'm cursed, 3 hours trying get out with Rogue and every run a diferent thing kill me

[void ember]

its because ded game

[tall apex]

WHERE TF ARE THE PORTALS HOLY COW

[onyx trout]

very happy with the balance

[plain elm]

pretty lame. What's to stopping a group of friends from queuing solo to cheese, instead of growing a pair and going into an actual group dungeon. top kek

[upbeat notch]

What balance and what class?
@plain elm They're working on preventing that but it's not there yet.

[zenith salmon]

Stash space or coin storage needs to be improved, its like 2 keys for a coin bag which stores 500 coins. chests are near impossible for the casual player to get

[prisma chasm]

It ended abnormally message???

[unique pebble]

can anybody explain the difference between +Magic power compared to +Magic Damage

[restive brook]

Buff fireball

[upbeat notch]

I don't disagree but they just nerfed it a couple patches ago.

[hoary saffron]

Fix for it ended abnormally please I have no other complaints
But this is miserable

[subtle heart]

guys does dark and darker have 3rd person

[upbeat notch]

Not it doesn't unless you count using evil eye and looking back at your character.

[buoyant wagon]

what is best class

[jaunty kestrel]

dying too much to bloody pve in goblin caves new layouts... WTF... I want to pvp with at least half my health, not 2 hp

[warm flame]

NGL its getting really hard to enjoy this game when lvl 20 uber geared players just want to roam the dungeons and curb stomp lvl 1's with no gear.

[forest relic]

keep learning the attack patterns and how not to get hit brother. you’ll be fine

[jaunty kestrel]

I'd like to see you dodge the attack patterns of 5 goblins at once while not losing health to the zone

[upbeat notch]

Alternatively you can check the gathering hall and see how many players are in each class but that's not everyone online.

[forest relic]

isnt hard. watch videos or streams if you really want to watch someone though lol

[proud beacon]

There are videos on YouTube how to dodge mobs bro

[zenith salmon]

phantomize

[upbeat notch]

Finally went in, got out with a fair bit of loot, but I'm too demoralized to care.

[limber verge]

You're too weak willed for an extraction game

[eager oracle]

has anyone else met this bard Zhang in the ruins, he cheeses low level lobbies nolifes in ruins. He stands in the circle or camps outside rooms for people to kill , i dont think I've seen him open much other than lion's chests himself. type of player that is there just to PvP people worse than him and doesnt care about looting or kiling mobs

[karmic vortex]

You new to the game?

[upbeat notch]

Maybe, but I used to have a blast playing this game. All my stash vanished from my wizard and I don't really care to get it back.

[cunning dirge]

IT ENDED ABNORMALLY GAMING

[sudden aspen]

Yeah. This is how PvP works lol

[spring forge]

Thoughts on buffing the projectile reduction on gears, feel like most have barely any or none at all.

[upbeat notch]

It's a random roll for sure, but it's mostly a primary stat for some plate armors and also something the fighter has a perk for.

[spring forge]

And cleric yea but it makes bows hit incredibly hard against all other classes

[silk dove]

how the state of the game right now guys?

[gaunt lake]

This right here. Feel the exact same way. The people that say “good good” etc. are gona be the ones complaining if player base plummets due to not being new player friendly

[upbeat notch]

Horrendous. The game sucks more than ever. I wouldn't care if I found a legendary laying around with perfect stats for me. I'm more likely to let another player kill me than actually try to fight him.

[spring forge]

Starting to play a lot of solo hr's and coming across a lot of duo teamers, I wish they'd add a report option for teaming

[limber verge]

Dude you're just crying

[upbeat notch]

You'd have to prove that they were planing to do so prior to the game. Teaming with people you find in the dungeon is specifically allowed.

[proud beacon]

I remember the same guy crying during the ea launch! Some people exist to cereal complain

[amber willow]

is there still an issue w save progress?

[upbeat notch]

I was happy as a kite during the EA lunch, you sure it was me?

Besides Ironmace only seem to care about people who complain about things. It's like they want to encourage depression in their community or something.

[zenith salmon]

how different is hr cave troll than normal?

[plain marsh]

bro why are people actually so delusional that they think abusing the duping bug before the rollback should be bannable? like the game literally was in such a broken state that all you had to do was log out and in to 'dupe'. like what the hell ever it didnt affect anything

[stuck swan]

Hey quick question, I played a couple days ago and now am missing a bunch of gear? was there a half wipe in the last couple of days?

[upbeat notch]

kinda there was a weird rollback that messed everything up gearwise. Was intentional, read patch notes for hotfix #15 and #16

[hoary saffron]

any fix for "ended abnormally please restart"?? / anyone else having this problem?

[dark hill]

ya been happening to me and my homie quite a bite last 2 days

[sharp osprey]

Troll pelt drop rate could stand to go up. Got 5-6 kills today and not one pelt. No one is selling either, on the off chance someone is they want like 3-5k for it. Kind of insane.

[stuck swan]

I also lost like 300 gold, is that a part of it? and is there a post about it by the devs i can check out? @upbeat notch

[upbeat notch]

Hotfix 15 and 16 in the #📢announcements channel

[hoary saffron]

just annoying when i cant get through a single game lol

[stuck swan]

@upbeat notch Thanks for the help man, appreciate it

[dark hill]

ya for sure lol we lost a bunch of gold and gear in the games we dced in, prolly apart of the ddos attacks but idk losing all your shit cause of it sucks especially when its like every other game

[hoary saffron]

bro people who are ddosing people are scum bags

[knotty kernel]

Why are troll pelts so expensive? what do you craft with them that is worth that?

[errant mulch]

anyone else get an error saying 'it ended abruptly, please restart'?

[pearl acorn]

had to get off after losing my full set for that reason idk if ill be turing the game on for a while

[amber totem]

No idea why they remove the pre lv 15 match making.

[formal moon]

Because it wasn't working. Ppl were just dropping gear to pre 15 and rocking

[eager oracle]

hey guys, flanged maces or morning stars for cleric ? what do you prefer. the morning star feels a bit harder to hit with but a lot more damage

[rare shell]

yo, curious if anyone knows if its possible to fight trios as a solo lol

[upbeat notch]

Yeah it is, there are videos out there of players soloing trios sometimes more than one trio too.

[rare shell]

what's the best class for soloing squads? I just like solo gameplay

[vital root]

Need high skill no matter what to solo a squad...and likely decent gear..but ranger wizard or rogue can probably do it

[sick tapir]

Probably wizard, just stack magic damage and kill them all with a single chain lightning

[silent sphinx]

anyone happen to know how much a gold coin bag goes for?

[upbeat notch]

Depends on your gear level and whether you like hit and runs or blasting or being a slow juggernaught. But they're going to nerf everything that's viable so YMMV.

[proven jasper]

yeah lets nerf hunting traps

[rare shell]

I play cleric mostly, I'm so ass at blocking players, idk why. Into the solo slow tanking gameplay, rogue is just hella squishy for me

[buoyant wagon]

wizard

[sharp osprey]

bags that hold 500g in a 2x2

[sleek pilot]

sooo tired of getting teamers in goblin caves

[rare shell]

report them

[zinc totem]

Sometimes when I see a chad mofo I’ll ask a nearby player to team and split the loot. Feels bad for the guy we killed tho. Part of the game, unless you are preplanning a teaming with your friend before the match starts

[proper berry]

Exactly. Not worth at all.

[sleek pilot]

Its not uncommon to find a game with people who are teaming in disc and queing to be in same lobby, I've played so many games and the majority of my deaths with good gear is to teamers, and its so frustrating. The amount of people who have been banned from reports Ive given is insane, and yet it still is a persistent problem. I think it might be more so of a problem for OCE servers, which are the servers I play

[rare shell]

Yeah that's a funny part of the game, I don't care if I die to that, but people cheesing the game by trying to pre load in ruins it. some random kid on this discord that was toxic as hell was trying to get me to do it. if you report, they will look at their previous games to see if they do it purposely.

[sharp osprey]

Drop rate just needs to go up. Same for wolf pelts, drop rates are unreasonably low. Now that chests are the main way to find gear mobs should really drop mats more often in place of some of the useless gear drops

[zinc totem]

@rare shell they make it wayy too easy to pre plan a team.

[proper berry]

Wold pelts stand in good place. Troll rate should be upped. Or the bag to be buffed

[sleek pilot]

Exactly, what Im talking about is people who aren't playing and being friendly or teaming up on someone in the game, its people who are persistently together, going around as 2 (ive even seen 3) people and killing as many people as they can. It's nuts and its been a huge problem for months at this point

[sharp osprey]

I suppose, just kind of wild to me that a "common" rarity drop sells for 300+

[zinc totem]

@sleek pilot no way to fix it I dont think, unless they dont allow people to match up back to back.

[halcyon oar]

what is volcanic ash used for? i can't see it as a requirement for any of the crafting stuff

[rare shell]

I mean whenever you add more filters to queueing, the wait times increase substantially, so I guess that's a pretty small problem in the bigger picture of queueing. Otherwise people will start complaining about queue times lol

[proper berry]

I mean. Just go and kill 20 wolfs. U probs will get 1. People are just way too lazy to go get them

[brazen grove]

nah the value of wolf pelt is tied to the items you can craft with it. also ruins specific items are expensive anyway

[sleek pilot]

With it being such a huge problem for OCE servers, if they adress it and open discussions about it, there could be solutions very quickly. I'm not going to make silly blanket suggestions like "Make it harder for them, give harsher punishments" but I'm certain that if there was some discussion about how it could be handled, not just from OCE players but all

[knotty kernel]

That's it? why is that worth 1key? You can just use the key itself to store at least 1250g if not more in a 1x2. Even using Gold ingots is more cost effective those are worth atleast 300g in 2x2 and can stack up to 5 times.

[rare shell]

I'm pretty damn happy with the queueing in this game, go queue for a match in Escape From Tarkov. Hardcore shooter where you lose all your loot that took you 4 hours to get, within the first 50 seconds of a match you waited 10 minutes to get into.

[sharp osprey]

I do, but the problem is that wolves aren't that common. There are only like two tiles on one map that spawn a considerable amount of wolves and they're both at the edge of the map, so you're never guaranteed to even be able to get there. It would be different if they were more common. If it's supposed to be rare at least make it the proper rarity

[halcyon oar]

yes, Troll pelts need to be a 1/20 chance minimum, ideally more like 1/10.
wolf pelts should also be 1/20 imo

[proven jasper]

the dot on hunting traps is literal bs

[grim willow]

why did my stash get rolled back

[quick pike]

so when are green bows with no damage bonus going to stop dealing 85 damage headshots

[sleek pilot]

But they could do things like system/software/ip tracking, making it much harder for people to be repeat offenders

[nocturne hazel]

@tawdry glacier

[jolly cave]

Anyone know what the scaling is with locust storm?

[knotty kernel]

never, Ranger is the devs pet class. They want ranger to be Tarkov Man where he can head eyes chads with a 200 rouble Longbow.

[halcyon oar]

honestly, the biggest issue rn is you can't progress solo, since you need to visit ruins in order to get wolf pelts or gold to trade, and every time i join ruins it's filled with a highly geared duo that wipes the entire match. the only other option is to gamble by farming pelts or keys, which is just tedious and unfun

[unique bear]

is there a way to set your input device for VoIP?

[sharp osprey]

Probably because the pelt itself is so rare. But yeah, it's dumb.

@halcyon oar it's definitely kind of obnoxious. Especially when you're not rogue and dodging fights with duos can be tricky.

[quick pike]

it doesnt make sense for them to deal the same/more damage as a halberd headshot of a higher rarity when they can do it from an entire room away. have they actually said they think its fine? because everyone said the same thing about rogue, saying "the devs play rogue so it wont ever be nerfed" so i dont really believe that to be true tbh

[rare shell]

the only reason bows do that much damage is with perks and good gear lol

[spiral grotto]

anyone else kinda pressed you gotta pay like 4k gold for a 500g coin bag

[quick pike]

that is objectively not true, you need only 1 perk and a green longbow with 0 +damage on all gear to do 70+ damage headshots. the math is not in your favor, im sorry.

[sharp osprey]

Was just saying this

[halcyon oar]

yeah, they need to seriously make the big gold pouch more accessible. should double or quadruple the troll pelt drop rate, double wolf pelt drop rate, or make it cheaper to craft, maybe by removing the troll pelt requirement. They should also add a separate inventory tab for crafting materials, since atm crafting materials take up way too much inventory, so it's really annoying to engage with the new system they added

[rare shell]

well, the longbow takes ages to pull back, and you can easily dodge arrows with skill, and the archer is extremely squishy, so they're toast if you get close, id say its fair. (Ranger)

[sharp osprey]

They are not toast if you get close lmao

Shotgun shot, spear proficiency, good attack speed and decent melee weapons. You're on something if you think ranger auto loses because you made it to him before you drop dead

[halcyon oar]

BS, you can argue that wiz projectiles are easily dodegable, but not bows. also, rangers are not nearly as squishy as a wizard or warlock, while doing even more damage at range, and don't forget rogue and how squishy it is

[rare shell]

are they not easily killed when you hit them? lol

[undone scroll]

oH nO, i HaVe To SpEnD mOrE mOnEy To HoLd AlL mY MoNeY???

[sharp osprey]

It is equivalent to coin purses costing 400 gold. I don't think anyone would be on board with that

[rare shell]

sounds like barbarians or fighters realizing they need strategy in order to kill another class

[quick pike]

no, their time to kill is the same as other squishy melee classes. rogue, bard, warlock. they can fire 2 longbow shots in like .6 seconds, if they double headshot you you're dead in the time it takes for a single swing to land.

bows fire instantly if they're pulled back, weapons all hit AFTER the swing, ranger gets first shot in close range which means if both players aim perfectly the ranger kills the squishy first.

[copper bay]

I already miss under 15 lobies tbh

[wanton halo]

anyone know if its possible to open 2 clients at once?

[halcyon oar]

i doubt it, unless maybe you use a virtual machine.

[rare shell]

so you're saying they should be 1 tap by everyone? lol

[undone scroll]

All I'm hearing is that you're keeping too much money and should spend more regularly, those bags are, as far as I can tell, for the level of gameplay that comes with maxing your character's potential beyond the time investment of casual players, I can fit up to 1800 in standard coin bags in the top 3 rows

[void ember]

game ded?

[halcyon oar]

guess what? im currently storing 3.5K in coin bags, and even that's not enough to get a big coin pouch
Big coin pouches should cost about 1K or less

[unreal prism]

hello everyone, how's the balance this patch? is the ttk faster than the early playtests still

[spiral grotto]

bro i have half gold and half loot what am i suppose to do when im on a win streak throw away the good gear?

[undone scroll]

And for what my guy? just spend your money on ore and keys as those have value that doesn't take up as much space

[wanton halo]

im thinking thats the only way lol but idrk how to use them

[quick pike]

no, im saying they shouldnt have heavy two hander weapon damage on an infinite range weapon. the solution is not to let other classes deal more damage, i have no idea why you would suggest that, its to bring their damage in line with the others. they deal too much damage and projectile reduction isnt really available to anyone other than fighter and cleric

[halcyon oar]

Im guessing you want to trade between characters? Tbh, they should just have an option to transfer item for a cost of like, 15 G per character

[rare shell]

Also, you realize there's no inertia in this game right? You can strafe side to side in an instant which makes it extremely difficult to land headshots when using arrows affected by physics

[spiral grotto]

GK are worth 4k+ and that could change at any moment im not playing dnd to gamble my boi just make the coin bags worth 1k or less like id pay that even tho it is a lil steep

[quick pike]

are you saying that relying on them to miss is good balance? what happens when they're really good. do they just win no matter what? ive ran into a lot of rangers that hit nearly every shot, with lots of headshots. the ruins is infested with them, they're either cheating or cracked and even as rogue, while using double jump and strafing MID AIR i get hit.

it is not viable to rely on players just happening to miss their shots to balance a game.

[urban burrow]

wizard 3 shots me with tier 1 spells defo balanced game 👍

[undone scroll]

All I'm saying is that there are other ways to keep currency aside from worrying about the cost of a 500g bag, chances are that the bag costs will be reworked later anyway. Also, I think capes usually secure a solid value if you can resell them, 100's of gold a piece in most instances so you could offload some bags in that manner in the meantime

Edit to note that necklaces and rings are in a similar category to capes

[rare shell]

if you're going off that logic, then the rogue is too powerful when coming out of hide and should be nerfed lol. they can wait for you and kill most classes extremely quickly with their perk bonuses, but are also squishy. I think your take on rangers is very subjective.

[unreal prism]

@rare shell @quick pike

you both make very valid points. you can't really balance on absolute success of a player to hit their attacks. and you can't really bank on margin of error either

[spiral grotto]

your not wrong just kinda annying that i cant just buy a chest for like 2.5k or sum yk

[gritty rock]

How are IM sitting here thinking wizard is fine, no buffs for multiple patches and hot fixes. Its totally fucked. The difference in room clearing time, recovery, gear balance etc between wizard and all other classes is INSANE. Its like playing on legendary vs easy on halo or playing without a controller.

[rare shell]

some stash extension storage containers like they have in tarkov and marauders would be a nice addition to the game

[undone scroll]

A chest would be a fun alternative too now that you mention it, like something that takes up 4 - 12 slots or something and can hold a bunch of collectibles instead of selling them right away for gold coins

[rare shell]

chest, armor rack, weapon rack

[loud sun]

CHANGE SPAWNS IN GOB CAVES NUFF SAID

[bold pecan]

how in hell a not geared barb just casually 1 shots people?

[patent vigil]

Is goblin caves teaming reportable?

[rare shell]

idk bro I hate it

[loud sun]

if they are in discord type stuff together yes if made in match no

[bold pecan]

Blows my mind his gear was fully grey lmao

[rare shell]

Out of any class I'd say that's unbalanced lol, a little unfair to be extreme tank and extreme damage, one or the other is good, otherwise there is little strategy

[bold pecan]

as a fighter i couldn't do much when he got too close for xbow range

[quick pike]

the counterplay to default barbarian is shields or high agility characters. a default rogue with lightfoot boots can kill barbarian without being hit, default fighter has shield, ranger has hunting traps, wizard has haste, cleric has shield. i think ive won every single equally geared barbarian 1v1 as ranger and fighter

[rare shell]

doubt

[quick pike]

barbarian takes over 1 second to swing their weapon as default. rogue is actually just faster than they swing, and blocking (especially hilt blocking) with counter attack is a guaranteed win as fighter.

[bold pecan]

I'm playing slayer fighter tho, it's sad that I gotta play a non enjoyable style for me because i can just get 1 shot

[spare elbow]

Slayer fighter can def outplay a base barb — then again i always keep my basic shield in my inventory in case i need it

[rare shell]

when they use their skill to chase u tho and they have a single other person on their team its pretty close to impossible to kill them close up

[undone scroll]

That's way too abusable as players with higher skill are currently restricted by this limitation same as everyone else, you add this and you've multiplied their hoarding abilities several times over

[spare elbow]

Not even several times over. Those players already trade w friends to move gear and its less consequential to them bc the trade fee is pocket change for them.

[bold pecan]

I mean I'm fine losing to barbs don't get me wrong.. just getting 1 shot doesn't seem ideal to me lmao

[errant hawk]

Why prices for items sky rocketing?

[high jewel]

The amount of tryhards who run normal GC is nuts lol.

[undone scroll]

And you want to make that easier for them to do exactly that? The lobby roller can just sort their inventories between these different characters like minecraft chests at that point

[high jewel]

What if.... now hear me out... we didnt let grey crossbows do 40+ damage

[pseudo tusk]

hear me out.. can we get one day where the servers arent pissing the bed

[unkempt latch]

Why r tournys allowing any Level loot and not Fresh lvl 1s? true skilled gamers r doing perma deaths and wrecking... its amazing to watch groups earn the juice and struggle at the start and the progression to being OP

[high jewel]

Ill take this before we balance crossbows lol.. any day... pls fix the server issues xD

[wanton halo]

yea, also to sit in trades see if i see good prices for things like horns and matter and stuff lol

[sinful comet]

is getting abnormal disconnect a server thing?

[quick pike]

they actually cant 1-shot you with default on full hp, so you probable die because of berserker, i recommend trying to back off if they're low and finish them with ranged because they get up to 30% phys bonus when low. crossbow/axes should do the trick, they will be slower than you if you're using slayer, you dont have any plate and can save sprint since there's no point trying to outrun them if they're going to catch you anyway with rage. just let them get melee, save ur sprint and disengage to end the fight

other than that, use a shield. you can keep your default shield, you CAN equip a shield with slayer and it WILL save you if you get good at blocking, i promise the 5 bonus damage does not matter when they're using a big 2 hander that hits for 65. keep using slayer if you want, but use it to kill squishies, not out dps tanks.

[boreal ferry]

anyone elses game keep crashing?

[subtle heart]

Really the automod doesnt let me say bad words but it cant catch a phishing link

[sweet jay]

games in trouble atm

[ionic willow]

Is the loot random or not ? Almost all of the loot i get as a melee have caster stats

[rich prism]

@subtle heart @zinc sparrow

[upbeat notch]

It's random, they went back and forth on it. But finding loot with caster stats wasn't what people meant by not random, it's removing the possibility of certain types of rolls on items especially those that are useless for all classes that could use it. Like spellcasting speed on a spear.

[rich prism]

Mods?

[upbeat notch]

Moderators? Those are the Warden roles.

[vital hatch]

RunThemPocket- Rogue, Scammed on a multi trade for troll pelt

[sweet jay]

Never multi trade in any game. That’s a 2005 runescape move

[steady zodiac]

if I keep fumbling the bag in HR gobbos by never finding a portal, its because I'm trash right? jeezus

[worthy abyss]

Is bard that strong that harmony needed a nerf?

[limber atlas]

experiencing a rly weird bug on fighter where i dont have the option to choose weaponmaster but then when im in game i automatically have it. (I'm lvl 12 and it's showing up as my 4th perk while im in game) and yes it works i tested it

[ionic willow]

to me it looks like they want us to find gear for other classes so trading gets pushed and you are forced to trade. Out of 30 pendants i looted i can use 2 and the other are all caster class pendants

[limber atlas]

Yea this bug has been present since i started playing today, im so confused. i have screenshots to prove btw

[velvet kelp]

GUYS DO U NEED TO DRINK ALE FOR THE POTION OF LUCK ?

[upbeat notch]

That's one way to look at things, I think they're just really random. Everyone finds way too much bard clothing.

[limber atlas]

ban this guy^

[robust warren]

No

[lofty summit]

when the fuck are rangers gonna stop avoiding nerfs

[fallen kayak]

How many people are just running out of stash space. I need like a scav junk box kind of thing. Trying to collect moldy bread, wolf pelts, etc is just taking up too much space

[bright pike]

Is there anywhere with up-to-date maps?

[upbeat notch]

Why do they have to nerf everything to such a low balance point?

[ashen tide]

anyone know what the best barb runes are rn

[lofty summit]

because ranger is complete and absolute bullshit and should've been the first or at very least second class to get gutted?

[upbeat notch]

So we should make ranger bland and boring like they're making every other class? I suck at the class and don't play them often but I don't care if I have to fight them.

[fallen kayak]

Yeah actually it’s crazy arrows hit like .50 cal. I swear fighter with like 30% projectile reduction is the only thing that makes rangers less scary

[lofty summit]

my guy, ranger has been the most oppressive class for so fucking long, I don't want them boring i want them fucking gone

[fallen kayak]

Second that^ get rid of em. And take their biscuits

[lofty summit]

i just want to be able to play the game without some basement dwelling loser sniping me halfway across the map, two shotting me with a grey longbow

[upbeat notch]

Then after they're gone shall we remove rogues? How about wizards? Lets reduce the entire game to only fighters then the game will be balanced! <=SARCASM
You just have to learn how to play against them.

[feral shell]

BRO THE FUCKING DUPE BUG IS BACK....

[lofty summit]

rogue and wizard are already gutted into being fucking worthless, wizard has only been good at buff balling for a while now and rogue got annihilated and the only way to play them is with a rapier

[lone goblet]

whats the best item to use to store gold

[waxen karma]

@lone goblet takes troll hide and 4 wolf pelts

[upbeat notch]

@lofty summit
They've been pretty adamant about nerfing bard until they're useless too, but people still scream about them being OP so my guess is they'll keep nerfing them them. Rousing Rythym (+all attribute song) is probably next. And they've started nerfing warlock too.

[waxen karma]

@upbeat notchi highly doubt he will get nerfed anymore the hermonic was a huge blow to them

[lofty summit]

probably because those things have been giga broken? shit needs to be balanced to have a healthy game with a decently sized player based. If you just leave most things broken while having some of the other classes being left behind the game just dies. Not nerfing ranger is dumb af and probably has already lead to some people having left the game. Why would anyone want to play a game where their favourite classes just get nuked from a mile away with no way to fight back?

[upbeat notch]

Bard is currently a ghetto fighter that can rest quickly and pick want one to tag along for the luck bonuses.
@lofty summit Sure we need some balance, but they could have picked a higher balance point. Right now the classes feel boring and bland. I could find a legendary item with perfect stats for me and I probably wouldn't care.

[mystic crane]

People who do solo runs are mostly pvp players, aren't they?

[waxen karma]

@upbeat notchhe only gets the luck and he can only rest quickly after using tranquility and clarity is the same aspect just for casts to gain

@mystic craneabout 50% of the time a lot ive seen the whole lobby be friendly but recently not so much sense every chess gives decent gear now

[plucky mirage]

No lol

[south badge]

Duping all over again. Wipe it clean this patch is tainted

[upbeat notch]

No he didn't but they buffed Magic resist on gear recently and then Barbarian was able to stack both PDR and MDR to astronomical levels on top of being hasted and having tons of health. And Bard's Harmonic Shield and Barbarian's Iron will got the blame not the recent increase to MR from gear.

[waxen karma]

@south badgemaybe they should just fix it instead of wiping over and over and over that is going to lose a lot of player base everytime when wipe happens to fast. They gain more on this last patch but its still less then half the player base it use to be because they wiped it fast 2 times already

[plucky mirage]

Huh?

[nova orbit]

Why isn't there any gearscore mmr? Like lmao seriously it's impossible to play in fresh gear vs anyone with gear investment

[waxen karma]

@nova orbiti disagree especially in solos you dont have to fight every battle but at the same time the gear is a lot better now when you search chests so chances are you going to find good stuff for youself rolls are another story

[upbeat notch]

Yes it's possible people make youtube videos about beating people wearing crazy gear while in rags but the concept of MMR gets brought up here all the time and there are tons of reasons against it. Most of them have been explained many times.

[urban burrow]

seems like instead of making gear not have a huge impact in fights they made it so gear isnt as hard/rare to get

[nova orbit]

Full blues vs full purples is an absolute joke, mmr it

[plucky mirage]

What if I told you that rarity doesn’t make gear good and it’s 100% dependent of the actual perks

[nova orbit]

I'd say you're wrong cause me and a friend duod in full purps we stashed tonight and everyone was a joke vs us

[upbeat notch]

@nova orbit
About a month ago when the gear disparity was even worse. And Warlocks weren't complete yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6lcXxLcFfg

[plucky mirage]

Well that has told me everything I needed to know about you as a player

[signal jay]

is the premium skeleton skin pay to win? lol

[karmic comet]

This patch is great!

[nova orbit]

Great comment bro thanks for explaining fun dialogue

[lone goblet]

Just used invis barb to wreck a purple fighter holy shit what a rush. 1300 gold made between his two rings

[upbeat notch]

Anyways the video I linked above shows a warlock in greys beating a fighter in lobster purple gear. It's doable.

[spare blade]

anyone have dark matter theyd be willing to trade for something other than keys or rmb? lol

[granite dome]

give rogues the ability to throw their voice in VC

[nova orbit]

It's doable in all kinds of weird situations sure but it's absolutely unbalanced in any normal situation with players of similar skill not getting jumped, 3rd partied, etc

[upbeat notch]

better gear is an advantage, so is skill, positioning, the environment, comp match ups ect. It's up to you and your party to make the most of what's available to you and mitigate the enemy's advantages as much as you can.

[peak bane]

Leave, you filthy hacker! LEAVE THIS PLACE

[nova orbit]

Of course. This says nothing about the disparity in gear quality though. If you put a 0iq person in purples vs a 160galaxy brain player sure the 0iq player loses

[frail grove]

funny af they always blame server lag on ddos

not once have they posteed proof of any DDOSing

[upbeat notch]

Thing is, few people take the time to consider how to best use the environment or positioning to get an advantage over their enemy, then they blame it on gear disparity.

[nova orbit]

I'm purely reflecting on 20 matches in full blues vs purples tonight

[frail grove]

yes most of the ppl that complain about gear are terribad redditors

[rain meteor]

yeah does anyone else feel like almost everyone has insane gear in low roller right now? I feel like I can't get a foothold in pvp and learn the combat when everyone is nearly unkillable

[desert stag]

geared lvl 20 bard lfg anything

[lone goblet]

this is the tough thing and what I have been trying to improve on, knowing how to create space for yourself, exit strategies, knowing when to ditch, etc

[upbeat notch]

I was working on that too, not too long ago but then I stopped believing in this game and the dev's intentions. Now I'm playing it because I have nothing to do while I wait for the next clone to release.

[lone goblet]

yall are so weird and melodramatic

[upbeat notch]

I can't get attached to any class because they'll nerf it repeatedly until I stop playing it and then some. I don't mind playing underdog classes and builds as long as they're fun. These classes aren't.

[stark fog]

lies. they'll never nerf ranger and fighter

[lone goblet]

You talk like they owe you something, particularly a completed product and not the early access that is constantly changing that it is

[upbeat notch]

They owe the community what we were promised and so far they've backed out and broken just about every promise they've made. Some no more than 7 days after promising us something.

[rare shell]

Lol for real, imagine how much less they would say if they had their real names attached to their discord accounts

[jaunty prawn]

that would apply to everyone and is a dumbo argument

[upbeat notch]

No, if we did that we would just get swatted and other harassment campaigns.

[rare shell]

noone's ganna swat you lil bro, don't be scared.

[jaunty prawn]

my god you're corny. talking about how people would say less with their identities exposed and then type like this.

[rigid dove]

Really wish trading post would highlight items in your stash that can be linked in the different trading lobbies.

[rare shell]

You're posting opinions in a channel noone asked for or cares about, youd never say shit like this to the devs faces in real life. Stay scared behind your computer lol

[jaunty prawn]

projecting and dont even realize it, lol. low iq individual

[rare shell]

Stay scared lil bro

[jaunty prawn]

shiver me timbers

[lone goblet]

its just sad if yall really dislike the game and direction like you say and still play, youre just pathetic chasing the dragon

[upbeat notch]

Got nothing better to do until decent clones release and the game provides nostalgia from when things were good.

[glass locust]

you can critique something you enjoy.

[jaunty prawn]

i havent said anything about disliking the game, this man is just being corny lol.

[lone goblet]

the "got nothing better to do" gives it away and sums up the nerdrage - you attached too much of your identity to it and cant just enjoy it for what it is, a fucking game lol

[uneven nebula]

I'm here to confess I just yelled some insanely toxic things at people, this team of 4 teammed against my 3 stack in HR zzzz... so fucking cringe

[upbeat notch]

This wasn't just a fucking game like you said, this game was the game I thought I'd be playing to the exclusion of all other games. Now that they've consistently moved away from their original concept, it's not worth sticking around for at least once better clones are released. I'm tracking 4 1 of which looks really low budget.

[wheat helm]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/1xDfT3qJgRhrG4/d13374mHZO1Y?invite=cr-MSxlRWosMjA0MzI4Njcs the issue with OCE servers

[jaunty prawn]

did you win? and idk man people deliberately messing with matchmaking to team up are worthless anyway. in brazil servers i see dudes doing that all the time with clerics or running double rogue to chase someone geared edit: in goblin caves i mean

[lone goblet]

it still can be if you just stop being so rigid and try to just enjoy the ride. its still the same game. the game loop is still every bit as satisfying. you've already complained specifically about nerfs when they are still balancing lmao. They make mistakes and get it wrong plenty but they are trying. If your favorite class catches nerfs just play something else for awhile it wont kill you

[uneven nebula]

Yeah we won, I was absolutely mic spamming awful things at them. fuck all of that, they were INSANELY geared as well. It was a mage cleric barb + a ranger. Most cringe thing I've seen in a minute lol fighting a 3v4 wtf

[upbeat notch]

Every time I get attached to a class they nerf the fun out of it. It's not that I can't tolerate nerfs, it's that they consistently go for the easiest way to nerf something as opposed to coming up with elegant or innovate ways of balancing things. Instead they just nerf the base numbers of everything within sight.

[rare shell]

summed up well

[jaunty prawn]

with the ammount of players there is nowadays its really easy to end up in the same match, and you're allowed to team up in the game but not if you did it deliberately, but how do you even recognize the ones doing it on purpose lol. seems contradictory

[lone goblet]

again, Im not saying they dont make mistakes - but they are a small team and clearly learning as they go - any of these clones you speak of are going to be just as rough around the edges its the nature of these games. Tarkov is just as rough. It's just really lame that your reason for losing interest is nerfs when theyve shown an appetite to listen and learn and nerfs are so temporary

[river current]

thank you
dealt with it
if possible please tag the moderation team (Wardens)

[jaunty prawn]

i really doubt there will be any dark and darker clone that ends up being better than the original. there's already several clones but they're wacky

[lone goblet]

greed is good has some good QoL concepts but the gameplay feels so much worse than dark and darker. connecting a weapon with enemies PvE and PvP feels so unimpactful

[jaunty prawn]

i feel like dark and darker should copy parts of the trading system of that game. trading seemed a lot less of a pain in the arse edit: but gameplay wise... its crap.

[upbeat notch]

They've shown an appetited to listen to the wrong crowd more often than not and they've strayed from their original concept, the concept that caused the game to explode in popularity. Sure they may have lessons to learn but they're also industry veterans not amateurs who caught a lucky break.

[lone goblet]

yeah I will concede that their willingness to listen to whiny streamers and people who rage over short term gear is concerning. Calling them industry vets feels unfair. Yeah they've worked for giant corps like Nexon but that doesnt mean they understood the minutae of running a company let alone a developer, lot goes into it they probably didnt see from their direct cubes

@jaunty prawn yeah trade system is better, map is nice, few other things I saw I liked but the bones of the game arent as good which sucks

[uneven nebula]

Yeah, it's hard to say for sure what they were doing - But it was 2 team's with full purples and they had 4 players on their team versus our 3. I was saying unforgivable things on the microphone as my team wiped 2 of their members and the last 2 ran off... Also they weren't comming in VOIP so it's hard to think they weren't in disc.

[void dove]

how is ranger not just gutted to the floor? why are rangers even in the game? why do ranger traps have skill checks? why are ranger traps even in the game?

[lone goblet]

its rumored that the devs play ranger and love it lmao

[jaunty prawn]

definitely on discord then, same thing happened to me on gobbo caves. i got literally sandwiched by 2 rogues and a cleric that after they killed me, kept on teaming up for the rest of the match. thing is the match had started like 20 seconds ago. so for them to not have teamed up beforehand was impossible

[rigid dove]

do ranger traps still have skill checks?

[upbeat notch]

I'll admit Dark and Darker does a better overall job but I like that GiG has viable CC and their rogues can move quite freely in stealth without needing 3 perks nor it being unbalanced.

[kind blaze]

Huge W patch, actual fun, please keep things as they are and dont nerf loot spawns to the ground again

[lone goblet]

the game was out for a short period and had less than 5k concurrent at its max, its easy to praise a game when its warts and balancing issues havent been exposed. we all loved dark and darkers playtests. it felt like christmas everytime a playtest dropped. have some perspective

edit: I wish we could go back to the playtest days...everyone was just happy to be able to play and the whining and bitching was at a minimum

[jaunty prawn]

i think the game is not in a very good state but the devs do put in a lot of work on it, compared to other online games from way bigger companies. so just gotta be patient

[upbeat notch]

I'm sure GiG will have it's share of issues, but I still liked these two small aspects of the game compared to Dark and Darker. I'm excited to see what the other clones bring to the table.

[lone goblet]

me too, in the end im happy to see anyone get the formula right im not a sycophant - I just think youre being a bit unfair over minor balancing issues that are short term

[warm basin]

45% phys reduc with 120 hp. i just got 2 tapped by a ranger. what a fun game. great balancing. especially considering that he can tripple / duo shot me upclose if i was trying to push him.

[jaunty prawn]

clones popping out isnt a bad thing sometimes. remember apex, fortnite and pubg? all of these games started copying the good aspects of the competition, if dark and darker does the same, then its good

[sleek pilot]

It's an early access game from a small dev team, there are endless things you could point out that they should be doing

[primal flare]

is the Old Rusty Key used for anything still?

[upbeat notch]

This game is just stuck in a downward spiral of nerfs. There are more ways to balance a game than nerfing everything and often times those other tools offer better results than just nerfing numbers which honestly just a lazy way out.

[jaunty prawn]

nerfing things is less risky than buffing. if the solution to things being unbalanced is to buff things then you'll end up in a one shot simulator in a couple patches.

[lone goblet]

its easy to sit on your perch and say that and talk about how they should change up how classes play mechanically when you have no idea about balancing

[sleek pilot]

Adding a bunch of stats to armour pieces isn't nerfing everything, you're just focusing on why you think you're right, and nothing else

[tranquil monolith]

As barb, when people are geared to focus around movespeed e.g rogues and bards, I just cannot get even close to them. I usually run no shirt and a viking sword against these types of players. I also try and francisca axe them but they tend to dodge them pretty easily. Any advice?

[wise coral]

Is there any plan to fix the launchers for this game? It's seriously incompetent lmfao.

[upbeat notch]

Even outside of buffing. You have adding counters, adding complexity/challenge to reach the same potential, nerfs to smaller aspects of the spell than it's primary effect ect. So far the nerfs have all just been nerfs to the base numbers of various perks, skills and spells. When a crude nerf removes a problem you also lose out on the design opportunity to create a counter or add interesting complexity. Because there's little reason to do so if the problem no longer exists.
And I'm going to bed.

[sleek pilot]

Hahahaha, you really should start thinking about the things that make you wrong rather than the reasons you think youre right

[jaunty prawn]

umm. help. how do i self cast healing spells with the cleric lmao

[stoic thorn]

Flesh heal and cast in on the ceiling or the ground to avoid hit others

[jaunty prawn]

adding complexity is not always a good thing, way too many games make that mistake. then you end up with all new mechanics that you also have to balance out every patch.

[lone goblet]

changing how classes play mechanically to address balance issues would be insane, not saying it shouldnt happen but yo usaying every time a class falls behind it should get a full rework? wed never get content lmao

[fallow fulcrum]

they killed bard

[mint oasis]

nah bard still op..have you seen bard with 140+hp and 1 tapping everyone and running with max speed? yea that is scary

oh yea and dont forget that OP xbow that can also 1shot you..totally balanced

[barren stirrup]

Game will be Dead in 3 months if they keep Listening to Streamer crybabies.

Watch what Happend with other games that followed that Route.

Weapon dmg stacking is just absurd.

[rugged knoll]

Peepee poopoo

[marsh mulch]

Daggers still not in a good spot. Could use a buff.

[mint oasis]

good example is starsiege deadzone..they keep listening way too much shit cry baby streamert and now that game has like max 40players daily 😄

[jaunty prawn]

im trying out cleric, should i run judgement for ranged poke before a fight or should i do divine protection for extra resistances

[high moss]

can anyone tell me if a bards drum scales with physical dmg/ strength when thrown??

[jaunty prawn]

it probably should, i dont think throwing the drum would deal magic dmg and if its not magic dmg then it probably increases with phys atributes. probably though

[rigid dove]

maybe not stats on the drum tho, since once it leaves your character you dont benefit from the stats

[high moss]

right right im just saying in general like a drum throwing build basically.

[mint oasis]

tbh ability to throw drums should be removed

[gloomy stump]

shit ass rogue nerf

[rugged robin]

Either remove it or give it to everyone cause damn it does too much

[jaunty prawn]

two matches with a low level cleric and im already slapping people in gobbo caves, feels strong as hell

[near pivot]

did game just reroll?

[twin magnet]

ONE CLERIC AND TWO RANGERS CAMPING IN THE SWARM. I thought the swarm is suppose to get people in the circle not camp

[limpid rose]

Why do we have to wait 90hours to be able to trade stuff? Jesus Christ... Im tired of playing naked. 😦

[mint oasis]

buy starter stuff from npc and rest you can easily find in game

[kind osprey]

man high roller is great now

[zenith salmon]

Add a "Make Friends" emote where if you both do it you get eachothers names

[proven bay]

would be cute

[mint oasis]

oh yea also make this game full PVE and if someone dare to touch you they die instantly gg..also dont forget bazookas

[kind osprey]

I think he means so you two can invite each other after the match, no need to get turbo defensive

[proven bay]

god forbid people are social in a video game. zoomers dunno the fun of making friends mid fight

[mint oasis]

Teaming up in goblins should be instant ban 🙂

[kind osprey]

oh you're one of those people, nothing to see here then, don't feed the troll

[weak umbra]

never

[vestal silo]

do people buy fransicas of higher quality on the trade market?

[zenith salmon]

oooh people want to make friends aaaahh so scary wooooo

[twin magnet]

first voip I had just betrayed me never ever

[proven bay]

what happens in the dungeon stays in the dungeon 🥴

[kind osprey]

not gonna lie, adding ores into the economy is probably the decision I like the least in this game. I shouldn't have to play trading simulator of buying gold or rubysilver ingots to use as currency, to then buy keys as a currency.

[slim vector]

anyone know the going rate on rusty keys atm

[jaunty prawn]

most people that been friendly to me, stay friendly. only once i got betrayed and it was a ranger lol. he got up close to me without even noticing me and i didnt attack and crouch to signal i was friendly, mans acted friendly but then put some distance and drew out his bow. ranger players

[topaz kestrel]

sounds about right

[twin magnet]

are the worst. most consistent betrays for me are usually rangers or rogues some reason.

[proven bay]

at least one is in character 😭

[weak umbra]

that's why i kill every rogue and ranger i see

[jaunty prawn]

im a rogue main but never betrayed someone, feels like people who do it are both doing because they're d1ckheads and because they suck at the game

[viscid dock]

Why are warlock allowed to heal of the hydras bro its so dumb

they sit in hallways and spam hydras and heal of them and you cant even get to them because the hydras blocking the path what do you even do if you cant use ranged attacks

[cunning summit]

pc?

[vestal silo]

what is the reason that GK and gold ingots are suddenly so incredibly highly priced? I was buying ingots for 200 ea for several weeks suddenly they sell for 750. Is everyone crafting luck rings and nekclaces or are people speculating

[twin magnet]

probably the reason for the rollback was people were duping gold ores i guess thats what made them cheap ?

[real egret]

are there any lfg channels or discord or anything? I am an English speaker and Tokyo and the gathering hall is tough over there (and mostly dead)

[topaz kestrel]

i spectated a warlock and saw him lead a fresh centipede to goblin exit, kill it, and exit with full hp (all inside swarm)

[vestal silo]

what about keys? They also went up in price. 10 ingots are like 7k coin now. Beofre you could get GK for around 2k coin. Were they also duped?

[delicate yew]

Love losing 2k gold set to "abnormally ended" : D yep

[vestal silo]

And then you have to try to log in twice because it fails to connect the first time and you have to restart game. Best feeling

[split warren]

how much do lockpicks usually sell for?

[slim vector]

atm about 50-80 per

[eager oracle]

i did a few casual extracts where i looted 5 or 6 chests, killed a few mobs, and then hid in the center of the ruin circle until portals appeared. i would just afk until i heard the portals coming. surprisingly effective.

[knotty kernel]

The issue is that we don't have enough stash space, they should just let us buy big gold bags for 100g and gold chests for like 500g from merchant, instead of making them crafting and rare items.

[vestal silo]

agreed. atm most pelts sell for a gk and gk sell for 10 ingots and 10 ingots sell for 7k coin. So crafting a gold bag that can hold 500 coin ends up costing almost 8k coin. Its not a viable system

[knotty kernel]

I can understand them wanting to make items which expand your stash expensive, but that should not apply to gold, being that is the primary currency, it is leading to these run on effects where we have to buy stores of value in order to trade for good items. This is also causing secondary and tertiary markets to develop where you can now invest in stores of value and play with them like stocks. Its a little ridiculous, just because they won't let us hold more than 50g per stash spot.

[vestal silo]

yep. I think the drop rate might be off too. Troll pelt is classified as rare. Same as a golden tooth. One doesnt sell for 20 coin on the market the other sells for almost 8k coin. Something isnt adding up.

[slim vector]

I dont know why they didnt just do the runescape fix, heres a new coin, this coin is worth and instantly transferable to 1k (for this game id do 100 instead of 1k) of the other coin

[knotty kernel]

No fucking idea, they should just make a platinum coin worth 500gold and can traded to and from the treasurer for 500g. The point of Gold is just to be a medium of exchange, not a game.

[shell flicker]

They added the gold coin bag and gold coin chest but the troll pelt being needed makes it kinda ruin the point of the bag atm

[knotty kernel]

They shouldnt even be craftable or lootable items they should just be sold by treasurer, there is no reason there should be a limit on storing gold.

[vast creek]

theres less bis kits in high roller than in normal lol

[uneven nebula]

PSA: Just learn ghost king, it's not that bad. zzz

[vestal silo]

or make the bags buyable form treasurer for a chunk of coin.

[knotty kernel]

HR is alot harder, way more risk. Not only from mobs, and enemy players, but no score board to tell you when a portal spawned or if anyone died. Plus Nightmare mobs can really screw you if you mess up, even if you have bis

[vast creek]

wow really

[oak juniper]

Can we bloody get an option to report all the people in trade selling for RMB?

[proud beacon]

hr is usually just harder mobs better loot. half the time i see people in LESS gear than normals there. everyone loves being the bully in norms. yes i play norms too sometimes hr is just too dead

[scenic hornet]

What is the best weapon option for barb in GC ?

[vast creek]

i like to play hr whenever i can but im not the best so i end up wiping myself out a lot, regular gc is just a pain in the ass for everyone running around in full purple capes and rings, i'd rather deal with harder mobs

[proud beacon]

felling axe for 2 hander imo. horseman/viking are preference, but i greatly prefer the viking sword. having a one hander for barb is near mandatory if you have a couple exits under your belt and the gold to keep them coming.

[scenic hornet]

Thanks but I always feel the felling axe is so easy to dodge 😮 any tips or situations where to use my felling vs my viking ?

[timid basin]

guys u ever stepped on a spike and died with full hp in 0.5sec

[vast creek]

yes

[weak umbra]

no

[marble bobcat]

is there separate lobbies for 15+ anymore

[proud beacon]

for felling axe gameplay you dont ever want the weapon out until its near time to swing, like very near. basically you want to be drawing the weapon while jumping to ignore the speed hit, and then jump again and swing the axe mid jump, to again dodge a movement penalty. viking sword is just better against faster classes or super soft characters like rogues or wizards. @scenic hornet

hope that helps

[scenic hornet]

Thanks !! Make sense nice tips !!

[kind osprey]

ive been playing HR nonstop since patch and it's not that bad. I went in with some decent greens/blues but ive made like 5k in profit at LEAST and have solid purples now. although nightmare goblin archers haunt me

[limpid rose]

Yea, my last 5 normal GC I just got wiped for some guys full purple, they didnt even have slots to pick my stuffs. :<

[proud beacon]

no they removed those but i think they will add a new mechanic in the future for new accounts.

[weak umbra]

@rugged sedge can wardens change the message cooldown? it was changed to 2 mins right after a patch, but now we could go back to standard 1 min. would be nice

[scenic hornet]

Any thoughts on using bardiche instead of felling axe ?

[weak umbra]

bardiche is too slow for me, also a lot of barbs in gc prefer non axe weapon to not waste 2 perk slots for axe damage. HP and resist perks are better in gc

[granite mulch]

u know u can jump over it right?

[fervent lantern]

nerf cleric spell defense and blessed weapon

[bitter charm]

"We should make highroller lobbies accessible for free and remove the option to manually select them. When a player achieves a specific score with their gear, they should automatically join highroller lobbies. This system will assist others in leveling up until they reach highroller status, preventing highrollers from farming unfairly.

[knotty kernel]

Bardiche is decent, it has the most range of any barb weapon and really eliminates one of the classes core weakensses. Also is rare, so most people haven't fully memorized its attack patterns. Is decent, but you won't hit as hard as an axe or do as much dps as a one hand.

[scenic hornet]

Thanks ! What would be the 4 perks if not axe perks for GC ?

@proud beacon what do you think about bardiche instead of felling ? Curious thanks all

[pallid notch]

Iron will, Robust, Crush, and personally I use morale boost but others might say otherwise

[weak umbra]

robust, iron will, crush and perk that gives you HP after killing a player. most barbs that i see run this build with viking sword+any 2h, you can change HP restore or crush for savage or 2h damage but i prefer the first build

[scenic hornet]

What is that class weakness ?

[knotty kernel]

At this point I agree, The purpose of HR is to incentivize geared palyers to go their for big rewards that way normals isn't a fucking slaughterhouse. But IM is so bad at making HR attractive to literally anyone, that at this point they might as well just force everyone with gear above greens into HR.

[fervent lantern]

honestly they need to remove buffs off of plate that give magic damage period
theres no point for it and would make space for more valuable mods
it does nothing for fighter

[proud beacon]

i dont like bardiche personally. for perks i run berserker, robust, iron will, and crush. i dont run any axe perks.

[frank hill]

normals is for pvp, HR is for pve

[bitter charm]

green is to low for highroller and green vs white is still fair with 2 or 3 blue you strong enough for highroller

[scenic hornet]

So what 2h would you use if not an axe ?

[knotty kernel]

Barb is actually a super weak class, I would say its one of the worst actually. The big weakness of the class is its slow movement speed, short attack range and short attack speed. This makes them the easiest class to kite in the game. except a lobster fighter, but the lobster fighter at least has a shield or can switch to a crossbow or longbow or even use a spear or halberd to make up the range issue. So barb can be countered super easy by ranger, warlock, wizard, even a naked rogue with a rapier can beat them. I am speaking of solo matchups of course, with the buffball meta in 3s a stacked barb with movespeed buffs will just plow through entire teams.

[bitter charm]

sorry bro but this is bullshit Normal and hr is for PvPPvE but its still not fair to match players with purple gear in lobbys with green gear. Its unfair no fun just for the slaughters

[weak umbra]

well 3/4 of axes are 2h too, you will use it mostly for pve and breaking chests in 1 hit anyway. i like double axe and war maul the most, they both break chests in 1 hit. felling and i think battle axe both need 2 hits for chests to break so they are decent, but at the end its more of a prefference. most classes in gc are fast so you want to use viking sword anyway

but using felling axe on goblins and just mowing trough them is very sadisfying, your choice really

[frank hill]

get used to it buddy it is what it is, and its not going to change hr is for pve to get fat gear from bosses, and normals is for fighting pvp mostly because the pve is easy

[scenic hornet]

Thats why I try to build as much ms as I can xD

[warm abyss]

when it comes to decimals in this game does it round up bcuz with the will i have it says -30% so thats 1.7 of 4 so it takes off 1.7 dmg, would i be doing 2 damage per tic then? this is for poison wep on rogue

[proud beacon]

i hope nobody is falling for this blatant lie. barb is one of the strongest classes in threes and solo

before he defends himself for some context, he is literally clueless saying barb is countered by wizard and warlock when the class just gets 40%magic resist with iron will for SPAWNING IN

[scenic hornet]

Thats the thing.. is crush really that strong ? I feel like its a waste of a perk or am I missing something xD

[proud beacon]

crush shines against players with shields, or to loot faster. its a preference perk that could be swapped

aye bruh you can type how you feel it doesnt make it more true barb is not weak and that's pretty much the extend of what im gonna discuss with you. its like a brick wall lol. @knotty kernel

[knotty kernel]

Barb is super weak in solo, if you are getting rolled by barb it is prob because you don't have the mechanics down or you are getting gear diffed. The class can easily be abused and is quite weak in solos because of that. I already conceded Barb is strong in 3's but that is purely because haste, invis, and accelerando exist. And TBH a geared fighter is a better buff ball target than barb anyway, Barb just requires less investment to start rolling.

[snow bear]

bruh the character rollback bug still happening?

[scenic hornet]

Oh true against shield.. I also like it to chase down ppl through doors mostly

[weak umbra]

its good because of barbs low resourcefulness, you can break a chest in 1 second or open it for like 15, also it helps when someone is blocking because crush gives you +1 impact power. another thing is when you chase someone and he closes a door on you, you can just break it and chase someone down instead of standing for another 10 sec and opening a door

[proud beacon]

yep doors too, but really only try and smash containers/doors when others know you are near already, its one of the loudest sound queues i've heard in the game so far.

[scenic hornet]

Is the shout that scare mobs also reducing 25% physical dmg to enemy players ?

[weak umbra]

yes

[scenic hornet]

Thanks all !! Also how many portals is there in HR GC ?

[kind osprey]

i'd like to petition to remove the trade hall mini game of buying and selling currencies that AREN'T gold like keys and ingots

[arctic cove]

Is it just me or does goblin merchant never have rings/amulets anymore

[tulip perch]

mine had 3 amulets 💀

[green bear]

Anyone else finding empty chests? Had a few of them now, just wondering if that was intended.

[main laurel]

Yep, can confirm it's happening to me too. Both chests and the old skeleton lootables.

[arctic cove]

Devs need to fix foosteps, twice in like 10 matches I've had people run up to me and it plays 0 footstep audio

[vast creek]

if you take this chat's word for it, devs need to cure cancer too

[kind blaze]

love this patch man its good fun

[arctic cove]

Just had a cleric who didnt slow down at all when hit and somehow did 60 damage with holy strike in default gear. Seems hackers are getting new moves every day, could also be a new double damage bug? But the no slowdown on being hit is a known hack.

[snow bear]

idk if there is damage reduction cheats. Spectated a rogue who took 1 damage when getting hit by the skeleton champion which i thought was sus

[coarse escarp]

Are people still trying to duo que in goblin caves? literally have a fighter and a cleric that are both sir _____ alot

[viscid dock]

anyone else think blow of corruption does abit to much dmg?

[viscid hamlet]

Sounds like normal gameplay tbh

[robust anchor]

Anybody actually buying those 200-1k gold chest pieces on trade? Everything is so overpriced atm xDDD

[jaunty prawn]

100% yup. while there's other skills that also do 20 dmg on hit like the fighters or rogues. theres a big difference between them because in the warlocks case the dmg scales with your stats

[wind chasm]

Why was the low level queue removed? Feels pretty shit going up against level 20s constantly.

[kind osprey]

so how do I play high roller for two days straight with no issues, and then I play one normal gob caves and find the second highest geared person I've ever seen

[inner karma]

do you really need a math answer

[jaunty prawn]

idk man. man's decided to go kitted

[kind osprey]

what math? like profits? I make 300-500 a run without even PVPing in HR, while I'm spectating this guy in normal gob caves optimizing his gray and white trinkets he's earning from killing timmies

[inner karma]

no, i'm talking about stats of HR vs normal runs particiaptions and how much % are kitted vs not

[open inlet]

Best class for solo queue?

[wind chasm]

I find myself going up against dudes in purples and shit non-stop in just normal gob caves. Saw a bard earlier with 40+ ales in his bag using them to heal, zooming around bonking people non-stop.

[rapid stirrup]

yeah well they made ales 8g instead of 1

[twilit glen]

its odd the 2 people did manage to kill and take their purp gear, when extracting the only thing that didnt come with me was the stuff looted from their corpses

[wind chasm]

Pretty sure it wasn't you as he didn't speak English

[kind osprey]

idk, i don't really get it. do they just wanna beat off to the power trip they get from killing no gears for their paltry loot? do they need something that badly to feel good about themselves?

[wind chasm]

Yes. That's exactly what they're doing.

[frosty island]

Boob slider for the female classes, when irooonmaace 😡
Make DaD great again!

[languid robin]

heed thy heart, player. follow naught those shabby meta conventions.

[jaunty prawn]

i have no group therefore i am* met with a binary choice. either i go to groups based maps and get ganged on by people that as soon as they realize you're alone they chase you for half the map or i go goblin caves. not my fault this is how the game is designed @kind osprey high roller in goblin caves is 50% chance of dying to the pve if you get a bad spawn and the storm is not close to you. pretty chaotic for not so good gear. the normal gear in ruins is better than the loot in hr gobbo caves

[kind osprey]

there's high roller man

[languid robin]

idk i have decent success in ruins as a solo rogue or ranger... the escaping game is best played solo anyway

[kind osprey]

ah yes the two best classes at choosing to not take fights they don't want

[jaunty prawn]

ruins is alright because it's pretty open area and only duos in there. but it still happens, sometimes people chase you for hours as soon as they see you alone.

[languid robin]

true, true. and sometimes we solos must fall so that duos can be rich

[jaunty prawn]

anyways my point is i dont go to gobbo caves because i want to kill undergeared players, i go there because i want 1v1's not 2v'1s or 3v1's. and hr goblin caves is just not worth it at the moment

[kind osprey]

I just go undergeaered if I want to play normal gobs

[weak umbra]

warlock is a new rogue now, never trust a warlock

[devout yacht]

Now that gear is plentiful, this is a PSA for more people to go try out Goblin HR. It's actually a lot of fun. Most times people will be friendly with everyone

[quaint lodge]

👀

[solar grail]

that is not the point of the game, and then when I want to fight you get all the cowards to team up on me.

[kind osprey]

people do tend to rally against the aggressor when it's clear the other does not want the fight. also the point of the game is not only to pvp. it can be if YOU want it to be, but you can't fault others for not wanting to fight 24/7

[weak light]

Does achillies strike scale on anything or is it just a slow

[modern breach]

how do you guys make money trading? Im trying to sell a +2 Strength +2 Weapon Damage 70g Mace in Cleric chat and it's silence. I usually just pick up equisite treasure instead cuz it's sorta pointless. It took so long to sell (just sold as i was typing this). Like, what are money making stats on what items?

[kind osprey]

flanged mace? cause most clerics don't want flanged

[viscid dock]

can anyone tell me what im supposed to do when a warlock spams me with curse of pains and hydras

[dusty gorge]

run

[wanton perch]

Me personally I try not to take to much gear in anywhere besides heals maybe some boots and gloves

[dreamy veldt]

how long ids this playtest\

[past sand]

Either run, or just get close to them

[weak umbra]

most things wont sell at all because of this bs gear drop rate, before all these buffs it would be sold for like 400 in 5 sec

[jaunty prawn]

oh shii my game just crashed. i sure hope when i log back in my inventory will be like normal. cuz i was arranging my stash

[kind osprey]

gear drop rate is great, and anything that gets me to spend less time in trade chat is a good change

[scenic hornet]

True trade in this game is a terrible experience lol

[weak umbra]

anything that makes gear useless and not fun to find is a bad change

[jaunty prawn]

my stash is fine but now there is a single spot that seems bugged out lol. it was a coin bag slot but now it seems locked

[devout yacht]

so how often have you gone into HR with all the gear you're getting?

[ruby root]

i like the way loot is now in dungeons - but most of the time when u find good stuff thats not for ur class its often still better to get treasure for the collector instead - at least when u dont know what sells for good money in trade

[silent sphinx]

Price check gold ingot?

[viscid hamlet]

tell me what you think about the goblin cave changes

[jaunty prawn]

yeah even if u find a good purple, it will most likely sell at 150 if you're lucky. but that space could get you a lot more money on the collector

[jaunty prawn]

high roller goblin caves need a tweak, loot is fine and all but there's a high chance of dying if you're not lucky with the spawn and are outside the circle. that means you have to push through enemies that if you fuck up just once they'll take 50% of ur hp if you're a squishy class or 25% if you're a tank. but if you're a tank you're gonna have even more trouble pushing through the horde of goblins on time.

[devout yacht]

you're starting to learn! risk vs reward to the extreme. those nightmare creatures don't mess around either

[azure depot]

why did gold ingots jump to 700g each?

[jaunty prawn]

thing is the risk outweighs the reward by a lot. its not worth it. i think they should at least make the timer for the swarm to move a little bit more easy to maneuver

[devout yacht]

not a chance, the reward is SO good. Literally purples in every other chest. Green and Blue sellables in most breakables. I spend 75g to bring out 300g and atleast 1 useable/sellable purple each run.

They did increase the time on swarm for HR already

[jaunty prawn]

the timer is not enough if you spawn in the new spawns of goblin caves and are outside the circle. either you kill them all quickly or run through enemies that might get attacks on you as you flee.

[devout yacht]

that's only happened to me like twice. Where i get spawned in a location, spend WAY too much time killing mobs and not being surgical about it and then get pushed by swarm to have to either fight 5 mobs in swarm or die. Both of those times, i didn't pay attention that I spawned outside circle. 100% manageable though

[neon harbor]

Anyone have a fix for the "It ended abnormally. Please restart" error

[jaunty prawn]

manageable for a fighter with shield and a good weapon probably. manageable for other classes? idk. all im saying is you shouldnt have to push through hard enemies just because you got unlucky with the spawn. that, needs a tweak.

[cyan sundial]

the blue drop from zombies is unsellable currently... fetid fluids or smth

[lucid quartz]

Please make solo ruins..

[azure depot]

any reason gold ingots are 600g each?

[devout yacht]

I've done it with Cleric, Ranger, Fighter and never with a shield on fighter. You have the tools man, I always have 1 or 2 invis pots on me to use as I walk up to a door to create a little more room to open it. Prot pot to take a hit while you're opening a door. Surgical kits drop fairly consistently also. You shouldn't be doing HR without at least a white or green weapon to balance weap dmg with the mob health increase

[gusty kindle]

playing wizard in gc is so sad rn. you deal NO damage unless ur geared

[subtle heart]

is the game worth buying 😓

[neon harbor]

playing any class without gear is so lame

[jaunty prawn]

bruthar. you just like arguing. protection potions to take a hit and open doors? invis potions to make space? are you even thinking what youre saying or is it just "gotta continue the argument no matter what"

[devout yacht]

uhhh okay, you're getting silly with this now. You may interpret that I just wanna argue when you just wanna cry like a baby. They'll make changes and nothing you say will force or reverse what they do. What I'm saying is, be real about it, you have tools to get around issues. I doubt you ever even use invis potions to get out of sticky situations. You see what I'm saying and instead of having a conversation about it you gotta get personal in some way. Should of just said get gud because you're complaining when a it's literally just a lack of skill. If you get better, what you're complaining about becomes a non-issue. Anyway, not gonna respond anymore since you're getting emotional

[humble wyvern]

if you like the style of the game/type of game, it's an instant yes to me. Just have an understanding you're buying an early access product that has it's issues every now and then, all I would add.

[subtle heart]

none of my friends play it so is it still fun solo?

[humble wyvern]

I would say definitely not as fun as with a teammate/group. The better gear/loot and more fun lies in the group play, unfortunately...Solo is cool though, I have a lot of fun playing solo, but love my duo play w/ my buddy even more. Better loot, better fights, more fun.

[subtle heart]

if the game does come to steam and i bought it from the website would i need to pay for it steam or would i get it for free or something

[dry shell]

+wep dmg stacking takes so much skill 10/10 MLG no scope 360 snipe headshot

[jaunty prawn]

have you ever used a invis potion or are you talking out of your ass? when you use invis or hide as a rogue, the mobs stay in the spot. they dont return to their initial spot. making space with an invis potion is dumb and doesnt work. and a protection pot to take a hit? a purple prot pot protects for 30 dmg. a hr goblin hitting you will deal a lot more than 30.

[kind peak]

A lot of people are not happy about body gear having +dmg stats
What about we divide the amount of +dmg stat with what kind type of armor it is?

for example for physic dmg,
Plate has +0 dmg stat
Leather has up to +1 or +2 in dmg stat
Clothe has up to +3 dmg stats

So that in order to get more dmg, the less physic reduction you have

[dry shell]

a lot of people are happy with fights lasting all of 2 seconds

[jaunty prawn]

yeah guys hr goblin caves is balanced. just use protection pots to open doors and invis potions to do absolutely nothing. skill issue amirite

[weak umbra]

prot pot to open doors

[molten kindle]

that's so nice that during the game i getting kicked with reason "IT ENDED ABNORMALLY PLEASE RESTART" and i lose 1key gear to some brookies

[devout yacht]

you're just arguing to argue now, chill

[fierce narwhal]

100%

[median light]

Is highroller goblin caves worth it ? i got a good poison crossbow build and i'm thinking on trying it on highroller my first time

[vestal roost]

Honestly reading the comments and discussions in here I have realized why humanity is doomed

[snow bear]

remove ranger

[devout yacht]

if you've never been down in HR then don't bring that in cold. Do test runs in white gear or something to get an understanding of the mobs intensity

[pulsar hull]

FREE INVIS POTIONS FOR ALL

[jaunty prawn]

"oh sh1t invis potions dont work to make distance with mobs? better say i wont respond anymore to not look like dumb"

[humble wyvern]

Decent idea, but how about we just remove the strong stats and put them at a max of 1. Before they did patch #15, True Phys/Magic DMG was capped at 2 on a max kit, from some absurd # that we can currently get. They're 100% going to go back to 2 max on the kit, they just didn't want to screw all of our gear over, so they reverted.

[vestal roost]

This guy gets it.

[pulsar hull]

THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT I CANT SEDUCE RED SKELLIES ANYMORE. SO HAWT 🤤

[vestal roost]

Red skeletons should not mix with white skeletons! Red is best!

[jaunty prawn]

invis potions to make distance when that literally doesnt work. mobs stay on the spot and as soon as the invis goes out the aggro goes back on you. and prot potions to take a hit while opening doors. and this man acts likes he knows what he's talking about. smh.

[pulsar hull]

love is love

[velvet token]

Papa Johns

[snow bear]

remove ranger

[daring smelt]

dont peak your noggin through the tiny grate on doors

[vestal roost]

I am sick and tired of all the loot in the chests, it makes the game not fun to raid anymore. Why raid when I can just get all the loot I need and the game is not fun.

[devout yacht]

it does, you still need to improve your game knowledge and skill. If the mob is within eyesight it will slowly creep away, if it goes around a corner and breaks los then it will fully break away.
You are still very emotional and not worth talking to but I hope that explanation helps you. You'll get better with more time, just keep at it kido

[tawdry inlet]

You know this feeling, when you sell something it always feels like you are being hustled, when you buy something you always pay out of your ass? Just me?

[pulsar hull]

LET'S TAKE ALL THE RANGERS AND MOVE THEM OVER THERE!

[weak umbra]

teaming in gc is so funny

[errant hawk]

Whats with that inflation of gold?

[vestal roost]

It just makes me sick to see Rangers in this game. The bow physics are outragous. I shot a bow once as a kid and no way you could do 15% more headshot damage.

[sharp osprey]

Yeah this is just not right pal. 9 times out of 10 they stay exactly where they are and then resume chase when the invis is over.

Moreover, prot potions don't have the numbers to just take hits while opening doors. Even if you manipulate your hitbox by looking down while opening the door to avoid a headshot you are still taking a good amount of damage, especially from goblins and especially in high roller. I don't know where you got this info but the numbers are not in your favor here.

[pulsar hull]

kid's don't need bows

[scenic hornet]

Just nerf the slow plz its so annoying lol

[snow bear]

nah just completely get rid of it for a week and watch how much better the game is

[devout yacht]

Literally doing it right now. Prot potion has enough to it to absorb 1 hit. I didn't say hits. Twisting my words is pretty lame but glad I could correct you.

[scenic hornet]

How does this make any sense ?

[sharp osprey]

1 hit from what? Which mob? Both standard and elite? And nightmare? You're just wrong, all these values are different and they're all above 20 physical damage

[jaunty prawn]

"slowly creep away" my guy. i've tried that several times. im a rogue main. they never go further than a few steps away from u. and i mean a few steps. most times they stay in the spot. you either have never used the rogue's hide skill or just wanna talk crap @sharp osprey right? idk in what world does a protection pot take a hit from a hr goblin. a purple pot only shields for 30. an hr goblin does a lot more than that.

[wanton marten]

whats the strat against rangers? how am i meant to bridge the distance?

[bitter charm]

"We should make highroller lobbies accessible for free and remove the option to manually select them. When a player achieves a specific score with their gear, they should automatically join highroller lobbies. This system will assist others in leveling up until they reach highroller status, preventing highrollers from farming unfairly.

[scenic hornet]

Thats the fun part, you dont

[sharp osprey]

People telling you to "just close the distance" are usually coping. That's your last resort normally unless you have an exquisite amount of cover. What you should try to do is disengage and flank if you have the map space (so you start at a closer distance hopefully) or just leave and take a different fight.

[warped cedar]

Terrible idea

[bitter charm]

Good point against that and how you wanna prevent the highrollers to farm normal or you just one of that and be sad the dont get your easy kills and loot

[warped cedar]

If, when you get good gear, you only play against people with good gear, then your gear isnt good anymore, its just playing a different way.. destroys the entire point of playing

[unborn hamlet]

Anyone find the gauranteed exit on ruins yet ?

[devout yacht]

Bro, you're literally getting stuck on an offhanded thing I mentioned in a list of things. The definition of prot potion is to absorb damage. I said you can use that to help take damage to open a door. I'm not wrong, you're turning the arguement into something then knocking it down without understanding what I actually said. You're wrong.

@jaunty prawn shhh child, it's ok

[inner vessel]

Is this reddit?

[bitter charm]

Not really with a gearscore you might have blue-purple in highrollers and grey-green in normal so where is the point ? its just getting harder and you need to use your brain to win fights.

[jaunty prawn]

ok guys. i was wrong. just use invis potions to pretend that you can drop aggro with them and use prot potions to open doors. there's really no point in arguing with someone that says that level of "special" stuff. im gonna keep on playing

[warped cedar]

a purple/blue item doesnt mean a good item, there are purples that are useless lmao, your idea is essentially to remove the advantage that gear gives, so in your way they might aswell remove gear altogether, this idea is just horrendous

[subtle heart]

im spawning in and getting shit on by dragonflys

[devout yacht]

oh wow, glad you're learning. Keep it going lil bro

[undone scroll]

That is exactly right, though there currently isn't a high enough incentive for players with the good gear to go into high roller, making the normal lobbies cost a certain amount depending on your overall gear score would correct that though, say flipping the cost from hr to normal

[bitter charm]

they want the game slow ? then we need this system or even a other matchmaking system. Ouh and changes are coming to 100% the devs says they working on a solution for even that problem that highroller slay easy a whole lobby and get the best gear from crypts and hell. Thats not that problem you can even get better loot in the dungen its not a PVP game its a PvPPvE you need to farm your good shit. The concept they show us is that farm your gear in normal and go with that in highroller and have HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD. and for now it doesent matter what gear you have. one team have always pruple shit on and kicking your ass

[devout yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aVRNuFCN3IY

You can use invis potions to drop aggro. Here's evidence to that point even though that's not entirely what I was talking about. I know you're still learning, so asking questions is a good way to figure out things that are too complicated for you.

[pulsar hull]

END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY FOR SKELLIES NOW!

[warped cedar]

The easy solution is to make good gear harder to come by, not easier, then its rare to see someone with a complete kit, meaning the advantage is smaller, and if someone is good enough to get a full set of good gear, they've earned it, ironmace are going about this the wrong way

[snow bear]

remove ranger

[pure jolt]

Someone with great gear should have a 70-80% chance of killing someone with no gear if they are equally skilled and have equal terrain etc.

[red torrent]

@glad thunder why are all the merchants white....no diversity

[vestal roost]

I STAND WITH THE THIN RED LINE!

[woven matrix]

Everyone has this fantasy of glorious grey gear fights for one + 2 armour rating ring when in reality it’s them dying to PVE 9/10 times anyway. Any complaints about general gearing/gear score is just a skill issue. Note I completely agree with you

[sonic barn]

When is the high roller leaderboard coming back?

[remote yarrow]

We got a Goblin and a scarecrow

[sacred trench]

If one person is lvl 15 in your group, is the whole group in the higher level bracket?

[gusty kindle]

anyone ever dropped spider silk? do they only drop in HR? ive killed so many and never even seen the drop

[woven matrix]

When gear disparity was bigger i actively hunted every grey gear player to guarantee an exit for myself. Now? I hunt geared players and tell poor boys to leave me alone because I know I can farm back up easily

[remote yarrow]

That doesnt exist anymore. Read Patchnotes.

@c.bale got one from the big Spider in GC

[pure jolt]

@woven matrix True, this game is supposed to be hardcore and should never get any easier, but it's simply not fair if a player with average gear can have terrain advantage, prep for the fight, buffs etc, before hitting the other player with god roll gear 6 times and getting one-shot in return. Fights should be a 50/50 between gear and skill, right now it's 20/80.

[warped cedar]

Exactly, they've literally made the gameplay worse by making gear more common, the gameplay loop feels boring and pointless now

[woven matrix]

I guess it depends on how you play. I’m having the most fun ever, speed momentum and violence. I don’t need another tarkov simulator with 45 minute raids

[safe locust]

keep hunting traps and crossbows in the game!! its so engaging and funn!!!

[gusty kindle]

traps should be breakable, not only disarming. and id say remove crossbows from fighter, or at least make them perk required

[jaunty prawn]

did you for real think that using invis to change aggro proved your point? its literally a basic rogue trick. you cannot drop aggro if there's no other targets for the mobs. like my guy are you seriously this dumb?

[warped cedar]

That's fine, but they're trying to make the gameplay competitive and yet are balancing for casuals, they need to pick a side

[safe locust]

id say make hunting traps not able to put under mobs and shit, the fact u can walk into an invisible trap is so fun man

[woven matrix]

Very reasonable. I acknowledge I may in the minority of the community in regards to wanting fast paced zoomer gameplay in this model/environment

[kind halo]

Listen honestly earthquake has to do less damage, I never die to the earthquake damage because I stand still but then I have a ranger shoot me to death while I'm in it, my cleric heals me 3 times I still die because I cant move. Don't think that's fun interactive game play.

[sour path]

took me 35 minutes to make a fucking trade on this busted ass trade system, now im burnt and dont even want to play the game.

[jaunty prawn]

if it took you 35 mins to sell something. u were overpricing it

[devout yacht]

still arguing just to argue even though you know you're wrong? Kinda sad but expected I suppose

[sour path]

35 minutes to BUY. basically trying to buy everything I saw. the greed cluster grab fest is the worst trading system I have ever seen

[warped raft]

the scamming is the most fun part, 7 out of 10 things i try to buy someone tries to scam...its getting old real quick

[jaunty prawn]

anyone who has ever played rogue knows that using hide next to a mob even if its far from its spawn, will not make it go away from you. you literally just cant accept you were wrong about invis potions

[sweet pulsar]

Trading is super bad rn because all the items worth buying are being sold for 2+ keys

[gusty kindle]

true. rn you can exploit the shait out of it

[rich owl]

Damn... i don't want to see both of you @sour path @warped raft on OSRS pre Grand exchange. You would have lost it.

[warped raft]

yea id be ok if they removed the keys from the post all together so that gold actually meant something again

[inland barn]

whens next wipe? sick of fighting geared chinese

[sour path]

...only one time did somebody try to scam me. pretty easy to check the item since you have to mouse over it to approve the trade anyway. that isn't a problem for me. this trading system is basically the same thing we had in D2, except in D2 they were smart enough to limit the amount of people in each trade channel to give people a chance to buy shit.

[regal crypt]

Put an armor rating matchmaking otherwise this game is gonna die very soon.

[gusty kindle]

why so many friendly ppl in gc? i get it from time to time, but still, misses the point if ppl are not pvping

[inland barn]

L take, game needs a gear score matchmaking or something similar instead. otherwise we'd be versing naked people with purple weapons all the time

[jaunty prawn]

you dont have to be if you dont want to. just attack them or sum

[regal crypt]

Ye also something like that. Or maybe beyond that gear score u can't join normal lobbies but just high rollers (and make them free and joinable for high gear score)

[sour path]

where is the feedback system this game should have prominently displayed on the client and menu

[empty sigil]

I think you should try different genre of game

[inland barn]

whys that mate? what do you think ironmace could do to fix matchmaking?

[subtle heart]

Imo gear based matchmaking would defeat the purpose

[woven matrix]

Facts. People want 600 matchmaking ranks so they can feel like then they’ll win, spoiler youll still get farmed

[pure jolt]

One awesome thing could be to add different badges/ranks for extracting from high roller, that get displayed next to your name. So high roller would be like a competitive mode. Maybe a nightmare skeleton skin for top 1000 players?

[dry wasp]

can we make it so people above a certain gear level cant play normals, i just killed a full purple rogue in low level gob caves when he got caught in my traps. I got a full purple kit before level 5 and its a joke

[strange rover]

Did they remove the ability to get fighter heal back with campfires?

[rough olive]

Need a white campfire or to be already sitting when your teammate places it

[woven matrix]

Thats the LITERAL game lmao. You people are insane

[devout yacht]

They creepy away slowly, stutter stepping almost. It creates more distance between you and the mob allowing you to open the door. Anyone who's used an invis pot like this will know what I'm talking about. You'll learn eventually. Keep it up lil bro!

[empty sigil]

I don't think anything to fix, it's a core aspect of the game. I love having to eat nekkid and build a kit. I don't wanna be 50% win-loss everytime I play

[magic owl]

Ran into 3 cheaters already today only been playing for 2 hours..... cheating is the new way to play this game i guess

[haughty kayak]

can anyone tell me the difference between physical power and stregth?

[twilit sail]

Strength increases physical power and hp

[ornate knot]

Current patch is garbige for new and casual player you always had 3+ squads of fully geared people and it imposible to have fun. I dont have time to play 24/7 to farm gear and i am not very good at pvp, but gear makes it even worse. For examle i was killed with orange spear in normal goblin caves.

[uneven ermine]

its a hardcore game

[jaunty prawn]

bruh.

[wanton marten]

I love getting a lot of loot, but it means there needs to be a lobby for people without it, cause otherwise you just get rolled

[heavy ridge]

you get rolled if your brain works slowly i guess.

[spare elbow]

Goblin cave has enough extract for everyone, you can usually avoid pvp and extract almost every game

[rough olive]

This is by far the best patch for new players. Instead of having to rat for 5 games for 1 set, you can rat for 1-2 games and come out with 400g and a couple pieces of armor. There will always be geared players, that's just how this game works

[hard wharf]

is base kit warlock trash?

[uneven ermine]

i heard from someone warlock is poop now

[twilit sail]

It's still best class in the game right now

[spare elbow]

Nah just cant cheat with warlock now, actually have to hit players meaningfully instead of just spam shit and heal off hydra. I wiped 7 games in a row with bard cleric warlock and we had to fight some geary teams. Kind of like after bard got a bunch if nerfs, just have to be more thoughtful about what spells to take and use.

[subtle heart]

buying from merchants crashes my game? common issue, any fixes?

[dim garden]

are we still getting ddosed

[upbeat notch]

Everything in excess tends to be a bad thing. But complexity can be a tool for balancing. Doesn't mean that a wizard should need to do calculus mid fight to cast spells. But a little bit here and there can be preferable to just straight up nerfing the base numbers on spells, skills or perks. It's not the only option and I would abstain from just layering it on thick. I did like how wonderfully complex the bard was at release and hoped he could have a bit more.

@lone goblet
What makes you say I have no idea about balancing? Do you want to talk about balance curves, balancing points and power budgets? How about the principles of game balance, you know fairness, meaningful choices, punishment, challenge/success, skill/luck, head/hands, competition/cooperation, simple/complex (and a few more)? Since you apparently know more than I do about these, you should be well versed in them right?

@sleek pilot
That is gear balance, but as I said earlier I'm much more concerned about class balance over gear balance. True adding stats to armor is a buff, but when they did that some classes like barbarian broke and started to run around with near capped PDR and MR, then their reaction was to nerf barbarian's ironwill perk instead of toning down their recent application of magic resist on gear. They created a problem and applied a nerf to a class instead of finishing their tuning of the new stats on gear, overall that barbarian nerf was premature.

[umbral moth]

Hot Take: Barbarians are actually weak rn………..in solos

Barbarians have a stupidly glaring weakness of either not being able to catch someone or if they can…they are either another barb or a class with a shield

The thing in duos and trios is not only does the existence of more people make people more prone to mistakes (something barb is good at exploiting) but buffs can mitigate the barbs weakness

TLDR: barb isn’t the reason Buff Ball is strong…it’s the buffs

[outer dawn]

lmfao

[limber verge]

barb is just insanely strong when it's buffed up, tanky and does lots of damage, it isn't that hard to understand it big dog. Idk how you think that's a hot take.

[ancient mango]

SO ARE THEY JUST GONNA LEAVE AR BROKEN? THIS GAME SUCKS NOW

[scenic hornet]

I feel like I can catch ppl most of the time with my fist out speed ability and movement speed / agility build

[gusty kindle]

super helpful answer -n

[zenith rain]

bro i have lost my sanity since the last patch

[rare shell]

Tldr

[zenith rain]

i refreshed my character and like bro Jesus christ trying to make it out is literally impossible on a fresh character legit eery single person got capes and rings and im praying they put the lvl based match making back bc its gonna kill the game like if new people try play they're just gonna get rocked

[wraith pagoda]

Guy plays base stat barb and says he's weak solo pepw

[sand basin]

still fun the game for new players today ?

[limber verge]

it really is not that hard, you're just dramatic.

[potent pike]

shits getting out of hand with the teaming in goblin caves, 7 people and half the lobby teams.

[umbral moth]

Unironically skill issue

It’s not exactly hard to avoid people…especially if they are kitted out they are most likely not exactly being sneaky

[rare shell]

Man all I’m reading in this thread is skill issue

[twilit sail]

Do you still believe that eldritch shield with 40 magic absorbtion wasn't overpowered or have you came to your senses and are ready for a real discussion?

[uneven ermine]

lol its too easy to get loot they just dont realize they suck

[lone goblet]

Barb is ez if you pack enough throwing axes

[zenith rain]

i hit level twenty before i got more than 50 gold in my stash bro literally tried goblin till like lvl 15 and ive tried ruins and castle and like people dont even care about loot theres just people hunting the lobby and escpecially on sydney servers like there is so many god dam cheaters

[wraith pagoda]

I agree
The victim complex these people have is ridiculous
Loud minority moment

[subtle heart]

any1 got some tips for a new player

[onyx elbow]

ayoooo anyone having their game crash every other game? "EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION writing address 0x000000ba612c30d0"

[wise gyro]

dont die

[umbral moth]

Damn that sucks

Meanwhile I made over 3k gold and an inventory of gear solo crypts going from level 4-15 yesterday in 2 hours

Just from doing PvE and avoiding people

[lone goblet]

I’ve had a half dozen raids in a row in GC in just the last day where I didn’t see a soul. If you’re running into people every time you aren’t using context clues to notice players and avoid them

[uneven ermine]

ya i made 3k myself using one kit of blue gear i got for 50g a piece lmao

[slate swallow]

yeah im level 8 rogue jsut pve 1.5k gold lolç

[twilit sail]

Watch a youtube video on how ai behave, take every fight you can to learn how to pvp (you will lose but you need to learn), expect nothing for awhile.

[pure swift]

anyone know when the training element of the game is going to be released?

[wraith pagoda]

Dying is part of the game - very normal
Just notice the mistakes you're making and try to improve each run
Learning the Mob movesets is also valuable

[umbral moth]

I’ve had GC raids where I was the HUNTER and never found anyone

This dude is just capping fr

Like I came in for the sole purpose of PvP and I couldn’t find shit

[quaint marten]

within a month from now supposedly

[subtle heart]

will do, every time i spawn i die by dragonflies and zombies i dont think ive seen a player yet but i had a run where i killed the npcs and then some storm came and i had to run and i died by a spike trap i think

[uneven ermine]

ya you gotta learn the AI attacks and how they attack first etc. try your hardest to not get hit at all til you encounter pvp turn 90 degrees and move away to avoid getting hit easier

[twilit sail]

Good, keep up the nicr attitude. The victories will be that much more pleasant.

[limber verge]

There are two possibilities here: You are lying, you think lying will get the game to change so it's easier for you. OR you're just really not good at the game, and that's okay! You are allowed to be bad at a videogame and still play it but that does NOT mean it should change for someone who is an extreme outlier in skill.

[umbral moth]

https://youtu.be/9QV11Au-fME?si=nq5wZ8yWoJ9soGYo

Check this video out, it’s unironically amazing and will help you a ton

I reference it every once and a while to when I forget a certain attack pattern

[strong patio]

Watch this chief https://youtu.be/9QV11Au-fME?si=-yitz0v_ZH2SBu88

[uneven ermine]

they want equality of outcome lol "i dont wanna spend x and y hours on a game" well this is one of those games. sorry. like WoW before the buy to win.

[arctic cove]

Idk what the devs did but hit reg straight up isnt working anymore, sword just swings straight through mobs/players with no reg

[subtle heart]

thx guys, il watch it every time i die by a new enemy i havnt seen before

[warped raven]

So are they gonna fix the magic stick clipping through rogue character models or what, this is like the third time my hits just go right through a rogue as if he were a ghost

[upbeat notch]

Also adding additional players to a party adds complexity to encounters. Positioning is more complex as melee characters need access to the front line and range characters need to be more careful to avoid friendly fire. You have more access to character options for the party since you have access to more classes and this leads to more synergy.
Buffs are strong because they act like a force multiplier but that multiplier needs to multiply a base. If you buff a strong base you'll get more out of it than if you buff a weak base. For example a well geared barb receiving the same buff as an under-geared barb. With this the buffs will always be strong for the top 1% unless they're useless for everyone else. What could counter them (and adding counters is a form of balancing) are debuffs especially especially debuffs that are % in nature that way they have more of an impact against strong players without becoming too oppressive for weaker players.

@twilit sail
Was it any more over-powered than wizards one-shotting fighters and rogues? Was it not an expensive spell that only applied to niche situations? Did it have crazy scaling based on any warlock's stats?
Did it have any room for balancing outside of a nerf to it's primary function? Did it have any competition for the niche that it filled?
What senses am I supposed to come to? That you're chiding me for looking beyond you playing a wizard and being hurt that you can't just dominate just about every match-up you come against?

[low token]

Give rogues a blind ability through a trap of some sort, less focus on stealth straight up making you invis and more deception abilities pls

[lone goblet]

Wouldn’t even say capping, some people genuinely short circuit in games like this and make stupid choices. You ever deal with the mythical rogue who rushes you with 10 hp left for no reason? It’s like he thinks it’s what he has to do

[limber verge]

There are plenty of easier games out there, is this game even really that hard? I dont think so. Can it be unforgiving and frustrating? Absolutely. But what the hell is this entitlement so many people have that the game HAS to be CHANGED so they can enjoy it? It makes me so annoyed. Just go play something else for chrissake.

[rare shell]

All these chronic complainers should definitely go back to New World. We don’t want they asses 💀

[umbral moth]

Hehe, my man lol

[subtle heart]

what starter class do u guys reccomend?

[kind peak]

I do hope they lower + dmg stat's maximum
But I was considering about rouges, they can't wear plate armor so they're impossible to be tanky, but if leather and cloth aromor don't give + dmg stats, then it's nearly impossible to fight fighters and barbs
Hence I came up with the idea that cloth gives up to +3 dmg and leather up to +1or +2
However there would still be problems with ranger's dmg and wizzard (basically the 2 range class doing ridiculous dmg)

[silk moat]

what kind of cope is this

[uneven ermine]

we are the problem apparently is the reponse LOL oh well i like snowballing lobbies

[low token]

FIghter or cleric are easy to start with, don't become a ranger player

[lone goblet]

Yall I am riding a high from last night. Used invisibility potion on barb to trick a thiccboi fighter, full purples including jewelry. Rings sold for like 1200 just between the two. Best kill I’ve ever had. I even heard him squeal before he went down

[burnt shuttle]

just extracted from a game and none of the loot I got was saved. back to the gear I started that run. anyone encountered the same problem?

[limber verge]

Everytime I say anything against the herd in here they just accuse me of being super geared, and I dont even run gear all the time lmao. I'm just more practical than the little babies that frequent this discord I guess.

[woven matrix]

Game sever issue/crash. Happens occasionally

[upbeat notch]

Fighter, he's a good class for learning the basics of combat including blocking and dodging. Has a perk that will let you try every weapon in the game and has second wind which will help pve be more forgiving until you get the hang of it. They're not bad in pvp too but you've got to learn pve and how to avoid pvp for the time being.

[umbral moth]

Personally to start out I would recommend fighter or cleric

Both classes have a way to heal themselves and have a shield so they are good for learning attack patterns somewhat safely

Rangers are also easy but starting with a ranged class would make it so range becomes a crutch…and trust me even rangers will have to go into melee sometimes

[subtle heart]

ranger looks too boring for me and ive seen people on youtube say its meta and i dont really play whatever is meta anyways

[rare shell]

Play rogue in crypts, it’ll toughen you up nice

[delicate charm]

is anyone else having issues with game end abnormally after patch?

[jaunty prawn]

i tried out cleric for the first time in gobbo caves and he feels strong as hell. i was killing people while just having a warmaul and a book

[lone goblet]

Yeah anything with sustain like cleric will dominate a smart player will just not let him retreat to heal or buff

[crude dew]

@delicate charm
just did twice in a row

[umbral moth]

cleric is strong but i can't play it...just doesn't fit my playstyle

[burnt shuttle]

I see. thank you

[subtle heart]

is crypts the better starting place or is the goblin caves better

[low token]

Crypts, gob caves is for losers

[frosty fossil]

so the black spiders are bugged, if they get 3 stacks on you the debuff never comes off it just stays there permanently just died because of it

[rough olive]

I like crypts and ruins for solos. Better loot and goblin caves is difficult to learn the map now that they have it rotating

[jaunty prawn]

yeah, i stopped playing him cuz i got bored. i wanted to level him up to 15 but i'll do it later

[rare shell]

Goblin caves lol, it’s the solo queue, crypts is trio, ruins is duo. And play a fighter, use his 50% heal ability, and run fast ability and send it in there brother

[lone goblet]

Goblin caves is easier if you’re good at clearing pve in dense areas @rough olive they buffed GC loot heavily, lots of blues now

[umbral moth]

Goblin cavdes despite being the solo map is honestly not a good beginner map

you need to learn the fundamentals before going GC

[zenith rain]

Brother I’ve not had this problem ever before and I legit never go into the chats I just play and cope with whatever minor goofy ah stuff is going on with the patch I am in so much pain it’s mental

[low token]

Playing rogue in crypts is one of the most fun things in the game to do, sucks they nerfed stealth so much so you need levels to make it useful

[next island]

anyone know how much volcanic ash is worth?

[rare shell]

Goblin caves gets you familiar with the game quickly lol, and he’s just starting so he doesn’t lose anything on death

[upbeat notch]

Crypts has better starting pve than GC. also learning to avoid pvp fights you can't win is an important lesson that's easier to learn in Crypts.

[delicate charm]

are they aware of this issue i just lost a good kit because of it

[subtle heart]

do weapons have durability?

[rare shell]

Bro why are y’all telling him to go crypts, he’s going to run into lobster trios at the end of every game. @subtle heart go goblin caves as fighter

[lone goblet]

I see both sides. GC is more manageable but crypts imo offers a little more opportunity to bail out behind doors. Only works if you’re a fast class tho me and my barb would get wrecked

[viscid arch]

is there a way to block or parry with weapons?

[rare shell]

Equip a shield, no parrying

[gentle zodiac]

longsword can parry/riposte

[iron rock]

Bard very good?

[rustic pecan]

Goblin caves is free money, HR map layout has TWO free exits. Yet scrubs complain about mob density. It’s free loot and many are friendly

[lone goblet]

@lament vault who was complaining lmao I was talking to the new player

[short thunder]

bruh, i couldnt find an exit just now at all in hr gc

[devout yacht]

true

[lone goblet]

Here’s a GC tip people won’t tell you - if you get the spider room spawn it’s not hard to clear and it’s a pain in the ass to enter from outside doors so most people don’t. And the loot is fat. That and the room with tents has two hidden chests in the middle with god tier loot

[upbeat notch]

Crypts is also larger so less chance of encountering other players. Barbarian makes a lot more noise as you use his shouts and rage, which will attract those lobsters you're trying to avoid.

[rare shell]

Goblin caves is the absolute easiest map in the game lol

[subtle heart]

in the crypt i made it to the end i think but i got one shot by a fireball or something by a team of 3

[orchid pulsar]

Anyone else experiencing rollback after extraction?

[rare shell]

Lmao, @subtle heart go goblin caves bro. Go fighter, I can Sherpa you if you truly need help, most people in this thread are damaged.

[lone goblet]

If there’s another rollback issue I ain’t logging on lmao. If they roll us back before yesterday I’m gonna rage

[low token]

Combine many of the rogue perks (stealth time/movements//Lockpick, foostep sound etc, make poisons slow to make them less crappy, introduce a new rogue ability thats a trap that blinds players for a few sec, give daggers baseline armor pen to make rapiers less necessary

[subtle heart]

ill go to them now and give the goblin caves a try and what does sherpa mean

[rare shell]

Nevermind it’s not duo lol, I could Sherpa you on ruins, basically means guide

[iron rock]

Whats better/easier barbarian or fighter?

[lone goblet]

Different strengths and weaknesses. Barb is better up close - fighter has more tools to deal with kiting and such

[low token]

Fighter, having a crossbow is faceroll

[odd sluice]

Good luck avoiding trios that hunt spawn points even though you go in with greys. Of course the new player with no gear are the threat.

[subtle heart]

yea i wouldnt mind a guide but id probably die alot

[grave crater]

How much does trolls blood sell for on average? 1key or more?

[iron rock]

100g

[rare shell]

Exactly what I mean bro lol, these people give in depth advice on how the game should be, but can’t even give some good basic ass advice to a new player

[quaint marten]

what are all the ways we can get legendary gear?

[low token]

Crypts can be very easy to extract on if you just avoid teams but you do need to know the map decently

[plain egret]

as a solo with no extra accounts to trade too im really struggling with stash space..

[lime fractal]

How common is it for chests to be empty? The first two times I thought someone had just checked it an dthen closed it, but the third one was in my spawn so I know it wasn't looked in beforehand.

[loud oasis]

Theres a new roll for a chest to be empty it looks like. With good loot comes sometimes no loot 😄

[upbeat notch]

You're probably going to die but you're going in with your base kit anyways to learn mechanics. Anything good you find stash it until you're ok loosing it.

[lime fractal]

It was definitely odd, before the update I had never seen an empty chest in an area that didn't look like someone hadn't already been there

[rare shell]

@subtle heart aight message me and I’ll let u know when I’m on, you can follow me in the crypts and I’ll show you how to pvp and dodge mobs etc

[grave crater]

Does trolls blood sell for a key or so?

[iron rock]

no way

[jaunty prawn]

what about troll's pelt, just yoinked that from a warlock, lol

[queen vortex]

yeah id rather face shitty pve situations than PVP fully suited 3 man teams

[low token]

That's why you just 3rd party them and gib one player then book it lol, ruin their day

[devout yacht]

last i checked it was like 300g

troll pelt's are the things that sell for an amazing amount

[lone goblet]

GC vs crypts solo is do you wanna play deep cover agent and loot and scoot or do you wanna clear regularly

[nimble karma]

Anyone wanna make an offer on a book? Blue 3 Knowledge 1 true mag?

[stone root]

someone help me quick, i just made the UI disapear and im ingame, help me

[subtle heart]

does ranger get unlimited ammo on spawn?

[icy pond]

Hey so Gobin Cave has this one tile where its very long hallways and full of skeletons. In the middle there's the skeleton archer guarding a small square pit. Dropping down there is the giga loot area for that tile BUT NOW just recently ive started to see that half the downstairs chests are behind some kind of unmovable stone door. Anybody figure this out yet? I've died a few times down stairs looking for some kind of switch or trap and there doesn't appear to be anything in the 3 rooms above that either. Haven't ever seen this door until recently.

[low token]

50g

[weak umbra]

i love these clueless rangers, 13 arrows were enough to take half of my HP, and 1 crossbow shot was enough to kill him

[nimble karma]

Sold already sorry

[devout yacht]

I believe that's where you put the Mystical Gem in the hole in the middle of the wall

[icy pond]

f so it was just bugged open recently, maybe i was seeing it open in normal gc. needing a mystical gym makes sense its a good room.

[cursive shuttle]

Strongest vs Weakest Class?

[lime fractal]

Even as bogus as a lot of the game is still there is a single thing that stands out as the lamest. Not being able to squeeze through gaps obviously big enough to allow a person to walk through. I'm not talking about questionably small gaps, like "maybe a guy can fit in there". I'm talking about gaps large enough to allow two dudes to walk through standing shoulder to shoulder and STILL get stuck.

[low token]

Depends on gear, fighter or ranger / Rogue probably

[fresh fulcrum]

MAKE A PERK FOR WARLOCK WHERE YOU CAN EAT SOUL HEARTS FOR BUFFS

[jaunty prawn]

no

[lime fractal]

being able to devour souls in and of itself is crazy strong. Removing the ability for your enemy to revive is nuts

[low token]

Give warlock higher baseline knowledge, feels bad requiring gear to run any viable build

[spare elbow]

Yeah if it had a long channel time tho might be cool. Then again if you can zone out a body that long they wont end up rezing them probably anyway, theyll just scoop any gear they can and find a blue

[fresh fulcrum]

how about just your teams hearts then?

[topaz seal]

This game is trash man

[cursive shuttle]

What build would you run on fighter to make them so strong?

[lime mist]

did it wipe ?

[low token]

Just the fact they can use a giga crossbow makes them strong, theyre good in melee and range

[lime fractal]

I have had good luck with dual wield fight with Adren Rush

[spare elbow]

Your username look like a 12 year old sat in front of a scientific calculator too long

[grizzled creek]

Your ass is named pinky

[kind blaze]

This patch is absolutely beasting

[brisk meadow]

Imagine making fun of someones name ''Pinky'' xD

[spare elbow]

Yeah its a really easy, short screen name to remember and say in game for comms. 10/10 username actually

@brisk meadow the funny part is my username is literally part of my username i made from when i was 12 😁

[cursive shuttle]

Fair.

@lime fractal That is what I tend to urn as well. Just got ownewd by a plate fighter the other day in base and greens though while I was wearing blues and a purple mace.

Hit him 5 times and a crossbow twice and he only got me with 3 strikes and an arrow.

So I wasn't sure which I should be running or which was currently better.

[subtle heart]

what does pressing g do

[tall crest]

Good to see they reverted the revert and made the game boring shit again with crazy attributes

[lime fractal]

makes you rest if I remember correctly. I remapped a lot of keys

[subtle heart]

does resting heal me?

[low token]

If you have the shaded recoverable health, yes

[lime fractal]

Yes, but only to the dark line. Resting at a campfire does more and quicker

[cursive shuttle]

Should of just done a full wipe honestly.

[subtle heart]

how do i make campfires?

[main laurel]

For the love of god give us more stash space lol, and no, the 2000g cost gold bag isn't the answer.

[cyan basalt]

will my sword do magic damage if i have magic damage bonus on it even if im a rogue?

[rapid lava]

PLEASE EXPAND OUR STOREAGE

[weak umbra]

i just saw a bard with 183hp

[peak crypt]

No, need some magical components to get the benefit. Like ignite from a wizard.

[lime fractal]

They are items in game. they have a long set up time so be careful where you set them up at. Resting in general in risky. If you get up before you heal fully uyou lose what's left of your recoverable HP

[fresh fulcrum]

if youre rujnning poison weapon or rupture it will

[low token]

pretty sure rupture only scales off phys damage

[spare elbow]

Buy some BiS gear

[cursive shuttle]

Poison runs off magic dmg. Rupture runs of magic too.

[peak crypt]

Rupture is physical

[fair marlin]

game is so dead. Like im getting purples but actually they suck and I lose because other people got really good rolls on theirs

[hot walrus]

goblin cave is a shitshow

[jaunty prawn]

buy stuff. do pve simulator until you can afford a good set

[spare elbow]

Idk ive been running low-no gear runs last two days and weve been winning quite a lot.

[limpid rose]

Try to drink a lucky potion irl.

[cyan basalt]

rupter can be boosted by magical damage bonuses? i thought it was physical

[fair marlin]

I have no problem winning, but you just don't get rewarded for actually playing the game. You have to not play the game to win. Playing the trade market just sitting waiting isn't fun. I want to find my own loot

[vagrant current]

Why is the level 15 thing gone? I cant run goblin caves without meeting some guy with a purple crossbow and full kit every other game just stomping the naked lobby. Ik its a skill issue but it just doesnt seem fair to be ramming the same dungeon for loot constantly, and have to rely on either magically gaining skill or getting a lucky portal, when others are bringing in purples and can 1shot you with one good hit.

[rare shell]

Run naked goblin caves ez 500 gold lol

[cursive shuttle]

What does debuff duration affect exactly?

[cyan basalt]

fax

[fair marlin]

like back in older playtests you found a purple and came yourself. Now it's like, oh ok I got a 30 damage purple with debuff duration magic power and memory capacity neat.....

[crimson burrow]

base kit gobo is crazy econ bro

[frank hill]

welcome to life, its not fair.

[vapid arch]

debuffs

[peak crypt]

Modifies the time that debuffs applied to you last. It’s why goblin poison owns rogue and barely touches wiz/lock/cleric

[spare elbow]

“Playing the trade market”? What does this mean? I dont sit in trade for more than 1 minute to sell or 2 min to buy… lol. @fair marlin

[vagrant current]

Bro its a game, not life, do you think games are unbalanced on purpose?? I just wanna know why they removed it when its so clearly an issue, and Id go as far to say probably one of the reasons it was first implemented.

[fair marlin]

I can't even trade until 15 too. I'm leveling and I'm using these crappy blues at most and get chased down by purple weirdos who don't even loot me. Like it's some kind of sport! atleast take my loot man, wasting my body. I did get out with some good loot last night. Had to play hide and seek though