game-discussion

[craggy meteor]

you guys are trolling, rogue needs to be nerfed more. the most vital part of the death ball meta is the rogue in the back flinging 15 damage knives.

[barren mulch]

i mean ive been playing magic rogue for the funny dot but rogue is going to be in a rough place for a while with the damage nerfs hitting the non ambush builds as well.

[tepid scaffold]

anyone know how to fix the god damn fucking constructor error?

[graceful storm]

Maybe it isn't the rouge... But the person playing the rouge .. 🤯

[spice helm]

fish

[austere sentinel]

im just not gonna complain until we see what other balance changes come with the Tues patch

[visual jolt]

1st competent group you run into is going to embarrass you

[tepid scaffold]

anyone know how to fix the god damn fucking constructor error?

[cobalt sonnet]

what class is dominating right now besides ranger

[random panther]

does anyone know if the Old Rusty Key does anything as of right now?

[graceful storm]

Not really just gotta be better and we were

[weak owl]

at this point I would be happy if they gave us back AG to default, 30 sec stealth and FFS unerf daggers.

[tranquil flicker]

I just had a match where the entire lobby got killed by a cleric in all rubysilver and cobalt armor, and his rogue teammate also had all cobalt gear, both purple weapons, and everything was enchanted with plus true damage and move speed. I seriously need to understand why someone like that who was level 12 btw, is allowed to just pubstomp like that. it wasnt even fair he killed almost the entire lobby

[inland birch]

looking forward for ranger tear @ tuesday

[random panther]

does anyone know if the Old Rusty Key does anything as of right now?

[tepid scaffold]

anyone know how to fix the god damn fucking constructor error?

[split lynx]

Game meta is just "stack physical damage because nothing else matters" sick gameplay, such depth. Fix things in your game.

[bronze leaf]

dont worry, this community will just say skill issue and think they are the big dogs in lobby. its an actual problem with the community and while the game allows it to happen - the devs arent going to to anything about it

[visual jolt]

skill issue

[zinc totem]

Rogue took way less skill, took me playing 1 game to realize. Going common and walking out blue like a g every game

[random panther]

does anyone know if the Old Rusty Key does anything as of right now?

[south harness]

gonna ask a really specific question, does anyone know if HR maps rotate on a 30min or 1hour timer?

I've heard it rotated on 30mins so I started tracking notes and time, but I just got collosseum map 3 times in a row at 9pm west

[split lynx]

Because the game is an inch-deep cesspool of meta nerds

[tranquil flicker]

the only thing that makes sense to me is that the cleric had someone else buy that gear and drop it to him in a high tier lobby, then he got out and could just stomp with it

[bronze leaf]

nah legacy level 10s can trade and go into under 15 lobbies. this community has proven time and again they will abuse ANYTHING left open

[cerulean mason]

what does resourcefulness do i forgor

[tranquil flicker]

you're shitting me, thats a big f-ing loophole. I cant wait for the wipe

[split lynx]

Literally game is just hurdles of "how can I get the most advantage" I just got killed by a barb in Goblin solos with 155hp and a full purple kit...like...why even play the game lol

[bronze leaf]

it will close, eventually

[zinc totem]

The biggest exploit, idk how they will fix it. Two people joining high roller at the exact same time and getting in together 90 percent of the time. Had 2 fighters look exactly the same, blue gear and same blue crossbow as their secondary. They acted like they weren’t teaming. Next day found the exact same duo doing the SAME THING! I called them out and they laughed about it sure they are rich as hell. I decided to test myself with buddy, shocked to see it work first time. We both died but damn what a exploit

[bronze leaf]

they ban these people now - its fairly easy to track so... also, they hardware id ban - very good chance most these nerds arent hardwar ID spoofing just to evade it

[random panther]

does anyone know if the Old Rusty Key does anything as of right now?

[zinc totem]

@bronze leaf good to know they are aware! Man that is frustrating

[tranquil flicker]

I saw heard someone's idea that I really thought could fix the cheese/meta issues in the future, split the lobbies into different piles seperated by opt in/out of the trade market, so that people who opt in never cross over and get to pub stomp, and opt out's get to expereince a little less of the BS that the "chads" in this game do to get ahead

[graceful storm]

It's just because the lobbies aren't being filled well, some only have 2-3 players total it probably isn't hard to do, but hard to fix unless more people start playing it

[grim turret]

there could be a death report at the end of each match

[dark hare]

You all talk about druid but what about the paladin they teased?

[bronze leaf]

it doesnt do anything at the moment, maybe after wipe on tuesday bro.

[steel bluff]

they just on same server and no one plays high roller, stop whining

[cerulean mason]

cool, what abt a necromancer :)

[graceful storm]

I've got in the same lobby with people that we qued at the exact same time with

[dark hare]

well a necromancer wasnt teased, but a divine fighter like a paladin would be even cooler

[grim turret]

Please, where can I order this?

[steel bluff]

warlock act like necro, will have summons soon

[zinc totem]

@steel bluff “stop whining” highroller is fun when fair. Why would that not be something to whine about. You must be garbage or teaming just like them

[restive brook]

I hope they nerf barb and fighter into the depths of hell where they belong

[tranquil flicker]

I really want to see rangers get severely nerfed or at least balanced, and I want to see warlock's blow of corruption lose a bit of damage, its absurd the oneshots WL's can do

[hardy juniper]

question for rogues: so are daggers completely outclassed by rapier and shortsword now or can I still use daggers

[bronze leaf]

look at the pfp ... he is 5'5" with the name of a 12 yeear old... give him this

[steel bluff]

just you, crying garbage, git gud, grow up

[zinc totem]

@bronze leaf he’s got to be trolling

[craggy meteor]

yeah a blue dagger has less damage than a gray shortsword, it's over for daggers. just use rapier with hand crossbow and rupture

[cerulean mason]

would be could but it all depends on play style to determine what classes u should play
@steel bluff im gonna like those summons B)

[twin folio]

Soo what's the reasoning behind the rogue resourcefulness buff?
I thought they already opened chests and shit pretty quickly lmao

[bronze leaf]

how much is tate university at the moment lil bro

[steel bluff]

cute projection

[hardy juniper]

damn that really sucks
thanks for letting me know though

[dark hare]

what did cody do lol

[limber badge]

lmao FINALLY killed a giant worm in goblin caves and got white laced turned shoes

[earnest current]

where is the patch note guy

[graceful storm]

When is the wizard getting his wand?

[bronze leaf]

🙂 there is always next time. i think they upped loot drops in the patch TBH

[wooden pasture]

Just report them bro, it’s not an exploit they’re just cheating

[split lynx]

Bro hopefully they balanced literally anything

[dark hare]

and you just admitted to intentional teaming lol

[bronze leaf]

from community announcements in this discord "We are against planned teaming before matchmaking begins, and are implementing tools to detect it.
If there is accurate evidence to prove planned teaming, users will be permanently banned.." - ousp wrong part brb

[tidal fjord]

he tested it out bruh he did it once💀

[wooden pasture]

I’m going to have to call cap on this one

[dark hare]

well it seems he still did it so hes deserves whatever punishment the other would/will/have get

[limber badge]

I just hate where he spawns, honestly. The only reason I killed him was because I was the last person alive and the circle was perfect. Anytime I find a giantworm in the GC the circle is on the on the other side of the map. Wish he could leave that little cave area.

[cunning summit]

Can we get duo HR on not ruins? Duos most fun

[bronze leaf]

there is one that is more accessible in ruins...

[limber badge]

I know, it's fun to try and kill him in GC nonetheless. Just wish he wasn't resigned to that tiny cave.

[vale meadow]

What I would personally like is for a rework of rogue to go down the "less is more" route. Combine the reduced footstep sound perk with the movement in hide perk. Combine lockpicking and trap detection. Combine Hand Crossbow Mastery with Hidden pockets. But in turn, also reduce the impact of a lot of the combat-only perks. Ambush shouldn't give you a better bonus than back-stab. Weakpoint should let you punch through armour, sure - but not add any damage against players that.. you know, don't have any armor to exploit the weakpoint against. Make "hide" only useable while in the shadows, with a much faster depletion rate if done in torch light (not instant-reveal, but 10x tick-down speed so your presence is telegraphed (and reduce the cooldown) to help make it more useable between fights.

Give the rogue the tools to be a more effective utility/scout/DoT/skirmisher class (for which they already have some tools, just spread too thinly) in exchange for nerfing his one-tap potential. Make him fun to play AS, and he'll also be more fun to play against.

[bronze leaf]

i think they should add invis mastery to pickpocket if they are gonna combine shit - and disable the bump

[dark hare]

or just remove him ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[earnest current]

before neft rogue take 1 hit from the goblin to the head take 70% now it take like 90% ( 87 down to 8 just 1 hit ) wow

[vale meadow]

cringe take, I want all the Dungeons and Dragons classes

[bronze leaf]

gotta get outta negative Physical Damage Rreeduction - buy some gray gear

[craggy meteor]

those braincells get lonely up there huh?

[dark hare]

I WANT TO BE A SORCERER LIKE DND

[earnest current]

yes i buy all grey gear in shop and still take 90% HP that is WTF , base HP rogue is 81 buy every thing and some extra he got 87 still 1 hit 90%

[bronze leaf]

what are you gonna do with like 65 hp 🙂

[vale meadow]

soon to be added into the game, my friend. a few updates away

[dark hare]

the devs say taking damage should be punishing so you get punished

[earnest current]

you just mad because die so many time by the rogue player

[bronze leaf]

nah, rogue and bard are the EASIEST to not get hit on - dont get hit

[marble birch]

bro you’re in here talking about dying to goblins lmao

[wanton ravine]

any new fixes for stuttering for those with amd graphics card

[old moat]

What is captured mana flakes? Is that just something to sell to the collector?

[dark hare]

TOO MANY UPDATES! I WANT INNATE MAGICAL POWERS AND MASTERY OF ARCANE SKILLS LIKE IN REAL DND !

[delicate solar]

Yes, but punishing people differently for the same thing is not good )). Rogue was already paper thin without proper gear, they should give him some Str.

[zenith falcon]

where my rogues at 💀

[runic stone]

Rogue just needs a rework not a buff or nerf class is just impossible to balance

[earnest current]

test damage and test so many thing not dying to goblin

[bronze leaf]

thats the thing - they arent punishing anyone disproprotionatly. your playing a class with a low HP pool. the mobs do the same damage every time

[dark hare]

play cleric with that one perk if you dont like bleed damage

[bronze leaf]

try a barbarian - you can take like 6 hits, because you have 2.25x the HP pool

[limber badge]

in the cemetery

[earnest current]

@zinc sparrow The old rondel's base damage was 14, it took 9 hits and killed 1 monster. The devs changed it to 17, lost 6 hits and killed 1 monster. Now it's nerfed to a worse level of 13 and the castilon is back to its old damage of 16. At least it works. A Streng system increases health and Agility also increases armor, but here there is only speed and no armor, so continue to neft damage and get one hit by other classes, including goblins.

[novel plover]

ROGUES MAD ROUGES MAD

[bronze leaf]

dont worry, this was a portion of larger nerf to all classes, coming tuesday. enjoy the smug

[dark hare]

i have diagnosed you with severe mald due to a lack of skill in solo dungeons. please take a walk outside and wait for next wipe then your symptoms should be cleared

[spice helm]

fisherman

[runic stone]

The class isnt balanced and you cant admit that which says alot the class required absolute no brain to pilot you sat in a corner or ran all game long with a 1 MINUTE DURATION the class needed a nerf you should not be doing that kinda damage with grey gear with no one being able to predict where your at while your running at mock speed like a jet plane shanking everyone before they even realize it

[novel plover]

YUMMY YUMMY ROGUE TEARS 😭

[errant rapids]

Fisherman class pretty strong overall yeah

[earnest current]

No one is complaining or mad, if neft damage at least gives Agi increased armor, not just speed, making the rogue a piece of paper for other classes along with the entire inventory.give rogue a chance to run with his loots not loots and die

[dark hare]

We need a #WhenFisherman army !

[novel plover]

ROGUES FOR MCDONALDS ROGUES FOR MCDONALDS SEND THE APPLICATION

[runic stone]

Like i said the class is impossible to balance because of its high base speed a game where speed means everything a good rogue can kite a barbarian and smack him while avoiding every swing. The class needs a complete rework no invisibility and a focus on other stats

[split lynx]

Dude the class balance is laughably bad right now and its mostly gear related

[bronze leaf]

so why arent warlocks the most OP class in the game? they can kite everything and gain HP doing it...

[novel plover]

Wizard dont need no gear to 2 shot an entire team

[main garden]

cleric is best 1v1 class in game change my mind

[dark hare]

Omg! An early access game based heavily on gear and class is heavily dependent on gear and class?! This could never happen!

[copper bay]

I wish gobo caves had a duo option

Also, why can we not put bolts in our stash?

[runic stone]

What can they kite just run at them they cant kite shit😂 they have the same move speed as wizards and they cant even use haste invis😂

[novel plover]

ROLL BACK THE GAME TO THE PLAYTEST ERA THINGS WERE NOT PERFECT BUT HOLY NOT THIS BAD

[bronze leaf]

it wasnt even a factor they spent time or resources on until reecently. like, they actually said at one point that they had no intention of balancing anything until the entire game was almost ready for launch

[dark hare]

this whole chat is 90% new player malding because they have never played a sword fighting game, this is the usual stuff

[lapis thicket]

PT3 was peak DnD

[earnest current]

It's extremely easy for the entire class to kill a rogue, a rogue is like a piece of paper, just because of being careless and passing through a place with no lights or a dead monster full of legs and then being assassinated and complaining, the agility index for speed is often accompanied by armor. Now at a glance, a basic rogue fights monsters for too long and can only open his chest, his health and armor are almost non-existent. If the damage is low and his health is reduced, he must have armor.

[limpid merlin]

ya been playing rogue all night. it plays fine, still kills most lobbies

[bronze leaf]

warlocks have infinite slow.... and hp regen from it... have you even played it?

[dark hare]

PT2* no stupid sit mechanic and every class was broken in their own way

[novel plover]

🫵🫵🥹🥹😭💀 WHAT A WONDERFUL DAYYY

[earnest current]

like ranger triple shot , Wiz non-stop fire ball , Warlock 1 tap , Cleric Smite with full buff , Fighter full dual weapon , Bar Scream to 200 hp

[dark hare]

this guy is just sitting with his "Rogue Tears" mug laughing at the mald

[runic stone]

They all wanna sit in grey gear and dominate lobbys because of their gear fear they have no idea what they r saying its crazy their getting 2 shotted by a slow ass fire ball that does terrible splash while wearing absolutely nothing but naked

[earnest current]

try Warlock , Bar , Bard and Cleric and see what Grey gear can do , im not main those class but 1 tap is insane

[dark hare]

Warlock was not even announced. you def never played pt2, rogue was good, fighter was fun, barb was fun, cleric was a support class instead of a frontline, wiz was actually pretty balanced to a point and ranger had a good skill ceiling. they are refining the game its EA stop malding because you suck. go play some mordhau to get the swordfighting skill up and you can come back a new man

[limpid merlin]

only 1 tap in grey for those is warlock or a double axe barb

[runic stone]

idk how your getting 2 shotted honestly it takes atleast 2 hits and by the tame they even get the second swing off their dead anyway so how are they the problem?

[ashen holly]

lol this game isnt even comparable to any melee slasher this is a left click simulator

[dark hare]

I can assure you mordhau is anything but a melee slasher

[limpid merlin]

only if you are doing it wrong. clearly use right click

[runic stone]

Left click simulator for rogues😂

[exotic gust]

People not understanding huge balance changes are coming to all classes on Tuesday to slow the game down, and they nerfed rogues to match that gameplay approach now, nerfs will be in a better perspective come Tuesday

[delicate solar]

Exactly

[ashen holly]

this game is simple as hell compared to chivalry 2 or jedi academy nobody even plays mordhau
games skill ceiling is low you just win fights based on what kit you're running

[earnest current]

I'm not the main class, nor because I've seen it and said it, I tried it and saw extremely buggy classes and I'm trying to protect your own classes.

[dark hare]

mordhau has more players daily than either of those. i have like 1.5k in mordhau and it really help your skills in game like this where your sword is a rendered object that moves with the character itself

[earnest current]

The game for muscles that don't use their brains is mordhau

[ashen holly]

Chiv 2 has more players you're a fish

[dark hare]

this is coming from the dude complaining he cant kill a goblin as rogue. stay out of this.

[main garden]

rouge needs a bigger nerf imo

[dark hare]

daily peak my friend. chiv takes much less skill imo (close to 1k chiv and 1.5 mordhau)

[ashen holly]

Chiv 2 has more players just on Steam alone and at least half plays on Epic, along with all of the console players

jedi academy is better than both anyways but this game is casual as hell in comparison to any melee game

[dark hare]

never played academy, i know it is old but seems to have sadly slowly died over its years

[ashen holly]

movie battles 2 still has players just not a ton

[spice helm]

add fishing

[dark hare]

When fisherman class

[hidden latch]

Yeahhhh rogue nerfs! Not like Clerics and Rangers run teh meta :D, but honestly rogues can still invis with pots, theys hould make it so they gotta take a perk to drink those. And honestly they can still jump, I think theys hould need to take a perk to be able to jump, then the other perk to get the double jump.

[dark hare]

should be UE5 why?

[spice helm]

add fisherman now

[dark hare]

PCGW States it runs on Unreal Engine 5

[sweet jay]

Leaked tuesday patch: Rogues can’t jump anymore and now are slowed upon visually seeing them on the screen. Bard deleted. Ranger buffed

[lethal flicker]

isn't this a unity game

[dark hare]

bro is grabbing player offsets to code an ESP i know your tactics (JOKE)

[zinc totem]

ballsindathroat if I get banned cool, I’m not poor I can buy another copy. I did try once not sure if they can see that. Died to mobs. Even so I got my moneys worth so far. Got stuff I could work on instead of play.

[lethal flicker]

you can just use CE to get offsets why u gotta dump

[dark hare]

are you the dude who admitted to intentionally teaming on HR Gob Caves and now you're admitting that you would bypass the dev's ban by buying the game again?

[placid sentinel]

So what's everyone's thoughts on the rogue nerfs? ?

[zinc totem]

@dark hare yeah, I bet you are the kid that snitched in school

[high jewel]

Are you the dude who gets up in arms about things that are mildly upsetting at best?

[dark hare]

look up, it says gullible on the ceiling!

[stark fog]

My friend played rogue so I oneshotted him with my blow of corruption out of pure rage

[lethal flicker]

This Fisherman dude is cringe lmao, also i'm a rogue and barb main and rogue is gutted

[unborn vigil]

Wipe not wiping levels is Abit weird

[dark hare]

agreed, i was looking forward to some wipe day low level fights. fights with the base gear are the best fights

[split lynx]

Rogue deserves gutting its been dogshit since launch and ruining games

[high jewel]

The dumbest decision the developers ever made was bringing Solos into the game and trying to balance classes between Solos and Trios change my mind

[lethal flicker]

well i don't get it, they made it so you can't do sustained damage with crossbow, no pickpocket with bumping out of stealth and 14sec stealth with 7 will, they gutted poision weapon, we don't have stealth ambush/burst rogue anymore, i transitioned my rogue into full rat, literally ruining more games now cuz it's the only way lmfao

[dark hare]

the game is balanced around trios, solos comes second

[split lynx]

The game isnt balanced in any sense of the word in the slightest

[dark hare]

sounds like someone is upset

[high jewel]

This x10000 what the hell are people smoking... this game is so broken balance wise its almost comical.. and I love this game conceptually and have played 100+ hours at LEAST

[dark hare]

huge balance update comes in 5 days. if you cant wait go play something else bro, just have fun. its EA you all expect a perfectly balanced game it hasnt been out for even 2 months yet

[placid sentinel]

GiG comes out tomorrow

[split lynx]

Have you watched the Bard HR video? lololol the dude runs around throwing drums and is like the most OP shit I have ever seen in game. It's just beyond bad rn.

[lethal flicker]

nobodys asking for a perfectly balanced game, but we would just like the unplayable class to be slightly playable

[earnest current]

i dont see announcemennts any one can fix this ?

[high jewel]

You dont need to make excuses for the developers, they arent paying you. Some games stay in early access for 3+ years.. you gonna keep simping then?

[sweet jay]

Wiping the game isn’t gonna save it just a reminder

[dark hare]

i think that was bad but i blame the players aswell. bard isnt hard countered by just walking towards him.... if those rogues didnt run straight into the doorway expecting a free kill they wouldn't have been punished...

[dark hare]

why do you hate the devs so much? are you paid by nexon? The game is in an EA state and gets way too much hate... they plan a full release in the future and they are still in a large lawsuit. they are trying their best

[earnest current]

remember Bar can buff and can run faster no one wait for a Bar to kill them , and they die because Bar can buff and run faster

[vivid pendant]

plus their dev team smaller than the inbred families most people are from

[high jewel]

I dont roflmao I just dont think the game is in a good state and... so do most people. I get the good faith and its admirable. Heres hoping things get better. 👍 💯

[lethal flicker]

How large is the dev team even

[dark hare]

less than 10 people most likely

[delicate solar]

Wiping no. Overhaul yes can ).

[vivid pendant]

it's a few kims and lees

[placid sentinel]

Landing skill shots is op

[sweet jay]

@delicate solar Losing faith in the “overhaul” with these hotfixes

[dark hare]

then leave

[sweet jay]

@dark hare Don’t worry. The player base already is

[main raven]

It's a hotfix, not an overhaul; these changes just make the game playable until the wipe

[dark hare]

the playerbase is huge, keep complaining as you scream into a void that carries the name of #game-discussion

[delicate solar]

Can you be just a little more thankful? Aren't we all tired of AAA studios shitting out a game after game without asking players what they want? We have now a bunch of genuine people who want to make a good game and even lost their job because of that. And we still gonna shit all over them for "not doing great"?

[hollow elbow]

Nerf more classes, if nobody is busted, everyone is. Or something. I dunno. Great game, no matter what class. Give me the druid next!

[unborn vigil]

No level wipe probably means that legacy level 10 traders still can trade and mule for 1-14 lobbies

[sweet jay]

• sponsored Ironmace discord posts

[dark hare]

this guy gets it

[uneven marlin]

Since when does holy light do magic dmg on undead instead of self heal on cleric? I don’t remember that change

[lethal flicker]

gotta go the dota 2 route, if everything is op then nothing is

[vivid pendant]

always been... LOL

[sweet jay]

@delicate solar That’s assuming this is even their game.

[uneven marlin]

I could’ve swore you could heal yourself with holy light before

[dark hare]

the game dev team is comprised of ex-nexon employees fed up with AAA studios. its their game mr nexon employee

[delicate solar]

Well, that's just dumb. You are so full of bile that you label everyone? Have you looked into it? I did, and I just defend my view of it.

[vivid pendant]

certainly, if you heal another player and you have the self heal perk

[sweet jay]

@dark hare Not even gonna bothering reading your posts. Save yourself the time

[dark hare]

korean nexon employee cant read english because of brain rot from destroying great game

[uneven marlin]

Lmao you know what you’re right hahah I’m high af. Haven’t touched cleric in awhile.

[delicate solar]

Your arrogance tells everything.
The Nexon situation is roughly that the "good" guys took their child from a "bad" studio. It's never that simple in real life, but it's the gist of it.

[sweet jay]

@delicate solar Upon reading into it and seeing the way the game is being handled. I’m gonna go with its a high chance it isn’t the original devs.

[delicate solar]

Oh, ok. I see. Mastermind at work. Sorry, my bad, no disturbing then ).

[vivid pendant]

[dark hare]

Employee fed up with bad studio making good game but mishandled that turns canceled good game leaves studio and makes own company to make similar good game with no mishandiling but is then mishandled when bad studio tries to sue making big mess but good employee releases game anyway and gets good community then everything is happily ever after !

then big meanines makes mean remarks about community but community doesnt care and still enjoys the game because the game is awesome !

[delicate solar]

That man gets it )).

[dark hare]

[fossil igloo]

this game is like if u ask ur older brother to do ur homework essay for u, but he only do half of it and u need to finish it in class, u can finish but well u don't have clue how to complete his idea

[delicate solar]

With the last patch I would say it's definitely THE devs. You could tell by how awkwardly rushed the Rogue fix was and how apologetic they were announcing it. It tells me that's still the same genuine guys that listen to the community and "just want to make a good game". I believe that through any stumble they'll get there.

[dark hare]

yeah they literally were apologizing for the situation. i dont blame them that people find ways to abuse a class that they didnt expect... its bound to happen that some things slip thru the cracks of game balance

[delicate solar]

Exactly, I don't understand where all that aggression comes from. People tired of big studios bullshit, but then want indie devs work like one )).

[wary ibex]

true, these devs are good

[dark hare]

they deserve 0 hate for having passion. if they want a high profile extraction game they can play tarkov and see just how good this game is compared to that

[wary ibex]

I dont like shooters so Dark and Darker is perfect for me

[tranquil perch]

Please, consider upvoting this suggestion of improvement to both melee and ranged combat, good people! Help make this idea to come true!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement

[dark hare]

honestly could be a solid idea for the supposed test server they are working on

[delicate solar]

Hmm, sounds worthy of consideration. Reminds kinda of Mount&Blade mechanics ).

[dark hare]

i like the archer idea. rewards accurate timing, skill and practice while punishing error

[delicate solar]

Archer idea is actually very good. Melee I would not do exactly like that, but can be something inspired by.

[tranquil perch]

Thank you for your approval of my idea. Please, help me push it up for devs to see. I do believe it will help the game.

[muted pilot]

longbow is long overdue for a nerf

[tranquil perch]

It is. I still believe that existing swing pattern can stay, but with that idea being implemented it will be YOU to decide when exactly the next part of combo is going to launch. And if to follow the Mount&Blade pattern, maybe devs could implement the chamber locking mechanic further the line, that will lift the sword play in the game to an absolutely new level.

[novel plover]

ROUGESTERS MAD WHAT A WONDERFUL DAYYYY

COLLECTING ROGUE TEARS ONE CUP AT A TIME 🥹🥹🥹🫵💀😭🥰🥰

[tranquil perch]

Their tears do taste good, I must admit. Made a tasty tea with those this morning

[tidal plover]

We smoking on the rogue pack tonight

[novel plover]

OH YEAHH

[delicate solar]

Yes, in current state some weapons are way too predictable. Now we have a weapon moveset. Proposing to give a melee attack an ability to aim could lead to something like a few different movesets for each direction. Sounds fun, but a lot of work for sure )). Anyway more control and less predictability is good.

[tranquil perch]

https://tenor.com/view/quale-am-i-tripping-on-my-cold-meds-gif-5390500
rogues after a patch.

[novel plover]

WE SCOOPING Up DEM TEARS TONIGHT

[rancid oar]

now that rogues are zero threat i am extracting every game with 3+ kills on my ranger

[novel plover]

Fk i forgot rangers only threat is gone

REPOZE WORKING AT MCDONALDSS

[rich matrix]

[raw talon]

IMAGINE MAINING ROGUE RN KEKW

80% DAMAGE REDUCTION FIGHTER KINGS

[thin fulcrum]

Wtf is this new game currency people keep asking for, rmb?

[maiden raven]

Rogue is dead 😵‍💫

[fresh swallow]

3 weeks waiting for a rogue nerf when I already quitted and uninstalled the game, wow

They had 320 starting movement speed being able to overspeed every class and devs didn't see the problem before

[thin fulcrum]

I’m about to quit and uninstall, I just got almost 1 shot by a mage I couldn’t even close distance on or properly stealth fight. Meanwhile@my fully geared fighter got two shot and kited by a naked mage with no gear at all.

[kindred sapphire]

China currency

[maiden raven]

They're rogues.. of course they're gonna be fast. Their offensive capabilities had been chain nerfed as was the double jump. This sledgehammer is a little too far..

[wanton otter]

Couple of rogue nerfs I see..

[wicked stirrup]

THERE SHOULD BE GUILDS

[jade wing]

Bro the people in a 15+ lobby teamed to kill me because I had a cape. What a bunch of degenerates, screaming "go back to High Roller." Bro I suck at the game, and wipe is coming and trying to get good gold to get into high roller...

Whole lobby made a pact to not kill each other unless I was dead.

[wicked stirrup]

XD

[nova cipher]

Ban the people who are deleting characters to get into sub 15 games that have also bought gear on alts and died to give them perfect juicer gear in sub 15 lobbies. That is the cringiest thing I think I've ever seen.

[grizzled gale]

Now a huge problem is the ranger

[wicked stirrup]

agree

[jade wing]

Yeah most of the lobby were rangers that teamed on me. Definitely nerf rogue tho. Thats the move.

[drifting rose]

ranger will be nerfed soon

[stark sky]

This is great. Maybe not from your perspective. But it makes the game dynamic. You could probably have spent a lot of time hiding and the others would need to start killing each other

[raw talon]

Guys everything should be nerfed until torches are meta

[jade wing]

@stark sky Makes sense in a normal game, but when the whole lobby decides to hunt you down as a fighter, and the whole lobby is Rangers, aint necessarily fair imo

[stark sky]

Would that not make Barbs too strong. Too much strength, hitting too hard with Torch

[thin fulcrum]

Yeah makes the game dynamic so great, everyone’s back to 1-2 shotting rogues

[drifting rose]

agree . everyone should use torch to fight

[stark sky]

I would be very careful on using the word "fair" for this game.
Other team has a healer "not fair".
Other team camping the portal "not fair".
Better gear "not fair"
Better class "not fair"

[fresh swallow]

apparently they don't see the problem that white longbow can kill most blue-geared squishy classes in just one headshot and 1 body shot

[nova cipher]

Ban the people who are deleting characters to get into sub 15 games that have also traded for gear on alts and died to themselves/friends in goblin caves to give themselves BIS loadouts in sub 15 lobbies.

[stark sky]

Ranger is getting a nerf next patch. Trust me on this one

[main garden]

Gear doesn’t make the player. I can kill anyone in a 1v1 as long as I have at least white gear @nova cipher

[drifting rose]

nah it is inevitable . im sure of it

[stark sky]

We killed a fully stacked wizard the other day. Cape everything. Ranger + Rogue, he dropped fast!

[fresh swallow]

First they buffed low tiered weapons. So daggers and longbows at junk or white tiers are more powerful.
Next step should be a nerf

[main garden]

I don’t think they are going to nerf ranger, I believe that they are balancing around ranger and fighter

[nova cipher]

That's a good joke man. You're clearly very intelligent. The two fighters in ruins wearing entire purple gear outfits (including crossbows) would beg to differ.

[drifting rose]

like now rogue is no longer a problem . ranger back to number 1 spot. so people will keep whining about ranger until the dev nerf it . im just wondering who will be next after that

[plain marsh]

i encountered a stealth rogue in high roller as a ranger camping a portal. i poked him in the face once and he ran like the little rat he was. dude had at least 1k in gear on

[main garden]

I said 1v1. Anything more and my opinion won’t mean much, learn to read and only apply applicable messages. @nova cipher

[stark sky]

If you want something nerfed: Play it a lot.
If you want sometyhing buffed: Never play it.

[jade wing]

@stark sky Very true, the game is one of the most unbalanced video games I have seen with PvP so saying something isn't fair is beating a dead horse and subjective. However, the topic at hand is the fact that myfighter getting hunted down and teamed on by 80% rangers and premeditated together in a pregame lobby solely because I have a cape is a problem IM is going to have to challenge.

[drifting rose]

rogue is fast af. not to mention the parkour. you will never be able to chase a good rogue

[nova cipher]

Maybe stop playing stupid for the sake of being devils advocate when it's not even applicable. My message is about banning players abusing trade to alts in sub 15 lobbies, and you hit me with 'I can 1v1 anyone'. Lol.

[plain marsh]

rogue just needs to be the class that always can get away honestly. it's probably a little overnerfed, but it's in a better state now as to what role the class should fill

[grizzled gale]

This and the broken triple shot
Imaging wizard with triple fireball or triple zap
And the 3 gram they get
And the huge move speed
And the weapon they can equip wtf swords and spear no should be dagger and rapier maximum
The trap and the unlimited number of arrow which are always dropped in every chest omg

[main garden]

Tbh I got the message that you were complaining about gear mostly @nova cipher I don’t mind people bringing that gear into low lobbies, free stuff for me

[nova cipher]

Cool bro, didn't ask. There's a reason they limited trade to 15 and separated queues too. It's not about you.

[stark sky]

I seen this happen many times. Just as many times as I seen one break the "pact" and backstab the other.
But everyone has been beated by a Cape Chad, giving fuel to a hunt

[plain marsh]

also i did a few golden key runs on high roller today. idk if we did it wrong but we paid 150g x3 for high roller, 50g ea for luck potions, and the key is worth 700g? so that's 1300g we invested into a run right there. and probably made 2000 total from loot from there. that comes out to about 233 gold per person. it seems wrong?

[stark sky]

Yeah we did golden key twice. Best we got in 2 runs was 1 purple that was shit

[jade wing]

@stark sky Yeah, I wonder how IM is going to combat the community, because I was the only mildly geared player and they all started conspiring together in pregame to kill me for my cape. Thats going to be this community's downfall, each other and gear disparity but thats a discussion for another day.

[stark sky]

Lesson for next time. Dont have the cape equipped. If I have sort of good gear. I just strip down and hide in a corner.

[wild jay]

My kill feed just showed a wizard killing 4 people with fireball

[jade wing]

@stark sky Thats a good way to play, strip down before pregame and then equip once in lobby. Or else the weaker players will pull that shit on me again lol

[lunar marlin]

ALL REROLL RANGER !!!! MAYBE AFTER THAT HE STOP NERF ROGUE AVEC START NERF RANGER

[stark sky]

Good luck next time 🙂

[plain marsh]

so like why would you go high roller? still waiting for someone to tell me how i screwed up or got unlucky, which i can get behind. small sample size for me after all. idk just too much investment for not enough reward. high roller hell maybe?

[jade wing]

@stark sky For sure, you as well bro

[civic hornet]

hey yall, take a sec and relax, breathe and remember its a game homie

[stark sky]

We do HR sometimes as the average loot is better. Blues in random chests are common. So its a nice way to build a second set. Or to gear up when we are in greens

[plain marsh]

they should honestly buff loot in high roller

[stark sky]

I would want a "high stake - high reward" system. How about your luck goes up, the more you pay for HR

[plain marsh]

how about you buff loot and make it so only relevant stats can roll on specific items. idk i honestly think this game should really make it even easier t o gear up

[subtle heart]

cope

[drifting rose]

if enough people whine about loot . dev will probably do it. no joke. you just need about 20 people constantly whine about loot in discord . just flood everything with it

[twin folio]

Is wizard the new rogue?
Running into tons of wizards in GC suddenly

[stark sky]

Risk is you now have a even bigger discrepancy between well geared and not

[silver gale]

you think adding something like a caestus (parrying glove) would be reasonable or possible considering parrying is something you can do with the longsword?

[plain marsh]

i honestly dont have too much of a problem with where it is now. it's prett yeasy to get decked out in some blues in normals, especially with hell runs.

@stark sky disagree. the best players are always going to have awesome gear. this gives the players not quite as good a chance to get closer to them in gear

[tranquil perch]

Please, consider upvoting this suggestion of improvement to both melee and ranged combat, good people! Help make this idea to come true!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement

[plain marsh]

it's missing a nerf to longbow slow on hit

[stark sky]

Making bows work more like "real bows" is a great idea imo. Anyone (including me) who done real bow knows how exhausting a medieval bow is.

[tranquil perch]

The improvement to overall battle system isn't about tweaking one particular weapon. You should really look into creating a petition yourself. Though, I agree that the slow right now is... BAD.

[rancid oar]

oof from 40k ppl testing to 13k...

[plain marsh]

not worried. they are about to add some content next week. payday 3 also just came out today as well. also it's 330 am. and we had like 120k concurrent players at one point in the playtests lol

[stark sky]

The bow slow is bad because its so easy to access.

[tranquil perch]

You tell me, brother... It requires a LOT of back muscle. Which is why I always furious when they depict archery as some kind of lady sport or place the agility before strength to even use one.

[plain marsh]

i do agree that the melee combat needs more depth. and you should be able to cancel a windup

[subtle heart]

mad cause bad

[novel plover]

COLLECTING ROGUE TEARS ONE CUP AT A TIME 🫵 🤒 😷 👏 ☠️ 😂 🤓 🙈

[jaunty charm]

I think there should be a merchent that sells clarity

[stark sky]

She would have collapsed about 15 seconds in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Irocp-T6o

[tranquil perch]

Can be done. I imagine it being like this: hold the attack button and the windup starts, if you release - the actual swing commences. But if you click the attack again - you cancel the attack and begin another windup. That simple system will allow for both feints and timed swings to be a thing.

[shadow widget]

So after you die youll be a skeleton archer

[novel plover]

i dont wanna see the game turned into mordhau

[tranquil perch]

Yeah, lol! I forgot about that scene. Probably because it was too stupid to remember, lmao!

[stark sky]

Haha best passive ever: If Ranger holds the bow too long, they collapse and rise as a skeleton form. Now able to hold the bow forever. All loot is lost as the clothes no longer fit.

[novel plover]

if they hold the bow too long a psychopath will break into their house and collect their spine

[wanton otter]

Daggers being low dmg high atk speed is how life should be.

[stark sky]

I mean, no real fighter would ever bring a knife to a sword fight 😄

[tranquil perch]

No one does. The system I offer to implement is much more simpler, than that of mordhau while still allows the skill expression to be.

[novel plover]

ik but they been fking up the game too much these EA so idk

[viscid hamlet]

how much is dagger damage reduction?

[unborn vigil]

it becomes a feint spam hell, much prefer playing around weapon distance and swing patterns

[bleak sinew]

They've been exploring the game this EA, don't play until they feel it's ready if you don't wanna experiment with them like tf

[tranquil perch]

Well, if you would try to implement the real life logic in game then you would die of one-two taps with any weapon. The only difference of cold weapon IRL is their reach and the available move pattern based on their construction. If you'd to introduce this in the gaming that would require and actual VR helmets and stuff. Like armor wasn't invented to reduce the damage. It was invented to PREVENT the damage in general. Because it doesn't matter if you have your liver shanked by fork, by knife or the sword. It will still do the same LETHAL damage, lol.

[novel plover]

but it was so much better in the playtests

[bleak sinew]

I'm sure it seemed so much better when you only got a week to play it.

[unreal otter]

rogue chat is the saltiest chat ever haha

[tulip shell]

taking off armor should take time. stripping naked and sprinting away shouldnt be a play

[rapid stirrup]

everyone wears breakaway stripper clothes, everyone knows this

[tranquil perch]

The problems with that:

1. DPS wins. That is: the more swings your weapon is able to do per second - the better.
2. Move speed is the king. If you aren't able to be faster - you lose. If you are able to do 1 strike at the period of your opponent winding up his, and then to back up - you win 100% of times. There is no catching up, no chances.
3. Reach of the weapon is already a tremendous advantage anyway, but it limits the player choice to those weapons who can swing faster instead of taking the one they prefer because of move set or damage. Why? See points 1 and 2.

[tulip shell]

then im pissed theyre in undies

[unborn vigil]

dps should win, weapons should be somewhat balanced, slow 2h, or fast 1h, long range -> less attackspeed.

successfull dodge/parry/block changes the outcome drastically.

Movement speed is king if you are close range dagger boi, but get a 2h with some reach, and you dont need movespeed, you'll get a high dmg upfront hit before they get in range.
Your build will vary aswell, rogue starts with a bunchof agility so most of their budget goes to increasing the dmg of your weapon.
Barb 2h does alot of damage already, so they're building agility to offset their slow movement.

[daring igloo]

🫵YOUR ROGUE IS GONE😂

[rapid stirrup]

well if you're stuck using a 2h weapon you've probably lost already.

[tranquil perch]

DPS should win, sure. But not in the system we have today. The windup and swing of the weapons right now is THE SAME. There is no win for two-handed weapon in that race. Combine it with the inability to do anything mid swing with two-hander, while being slowed to crawl - you are nothing but a windmill with one. While someone with his lighter gear is simply dances around you. You can't catch him, you can't get him if he decides to attack, you can't do anything. The system right now is beyond bad.

[unborn vigil]

that's a problem with individual weapons and the rogue speed meta.

A felling axe wont catch a rogue without rage and speedshrine, he will dance in and out of range betweeen your swings.

A bardiche or halberd, will hit the rogue for a trade everytime. but obviously you wont catch the rogue, as they are the fastest class atm 😛

[dreamy flame]

Why I cannot be just a thief? I don't need to flex how many people I killed by jumping out of invisibility. I just want to steal your shit, that you stole from someone else

[unreal otter]

yea they really didnt need to nerf hide lol

[rancid oar]

theres nothing a rogue can do that another class CANT do better. except die

[rapid stirrup]

I DUNNO, wizards can die pretty well

[dreamy flame]

True. As a new player I've seen my way to be annoying as can I be. I maybe suck with fighting. But this! This was just bad. Now There is no fun. You can just get destroyed by blue/purple gear people. There is no more "I wish I could see his face, when he realize he's all arrows are gone xD"

[analog vigil]

ranger > rogue in melee now lolol one and two tapping with a white spear.... just like it should be??

[tranquil perch]

Dude. It is how it is NOW. Which is bad. What I wan is for the game to be better. I know, that axes are slower than shivs are, lol. I just want for rogue in your example to think twice before attacking someone with his axe being PREPARED to swing down. If that rogue would be able to outsmart the mate with an axe and make him waste his strike - all the glory to him, he can cut and shank all he wants just like now. But at least that barb would have a chance of cleaving that rat in two if he will be smarter with his strike. See the difference? Right now faster weapons have too many windows of opportunity to attacking, while slow weapons move like snails both in windup and strike. Which is absolutely stupid, and you'd know it even if you didn't do fencing yourself, but at least tried to split some wood with an axe, lol.

Please, consider upvoting this suggestion of improvement to both melee and ranged combat, good people! Help make this idea to come true!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement

[unborn vigil]

starting a swing with a slow 2h, should be the 1h's chance to punish them.

Adding a feint system will no doubt bring back mordhau/mount and blade feint spam meta, where everyone is swinning and canceling every microsecond, waiting for the opponent to slip up and let their swing go through, it's rediculous to look at, and play. the current gameplay is way easier to predict and play around strategically, instead of just spam feinting untill someone slips up.

[subtle heart]

holy man rouge needs even more nerfs it geuinly is the worst class to play against

[split cypress]

handcrossbow is still broken on rogue 27 weapon damage, gives them a ranged nuke 1 tap out of stealth ... rogues just too stupid to catch on

[ebon lion]

Knives tend to hurt more in real life btw than fucking fists.

So riddle me this, why do they do less dmg than fists?

[tranquil perch]

"starting a swing with a slow 2h, should be the 1h's chance to punish them" - yes. That is what I am talking about. But only the windup. When the two-hander is prepared it should be considered a guillotine to anyone.

If you add the system from those games - maybe. All I want to propose is at least separating the swing and windup actions of attacking with the ability to hold your attack. The attack pattern can stay the same to make it more predictable, than that Mordhau madness. Besides, only a one-handed weapons are fast enough to be able to feint anything with the system I propose. The two-handers are going to be all about trading the blows if needed and area denial. Which is infinitely better, than it is now.

[subtle heart]

rouge players play like idiots and get rewarded so hard for it because mobility is so overpowered

[split cypress]

ahaha u think rogues move kek

[ebon lion]

Didn't they literally Cap movement speed cause you guys complained

Rogue has been nerfed to the ground, throw a axe at his skull

[wicked parrot]

New rogue meta: magic damage poison weapon with rapier and tumble

[mellow vapor]

lmao

[ebon lion]

Counter argument
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493662/allow-fun-meme-builds
Someone shat in my cheerios. And that someone is Iron Mace

The church needs you my kin

Instead of poison rapier which costs money and we all know true rogues spend no gold on gear.

Allow us to poison and rupture or fists again

[split cypress]

literally just get a blue handcrossbow, run ambush/backstab/rupture and one tap squishies

[ebon lion]

Also side note tumble users are Chad's, respect bro

[ebon lion]

Issue with current rogue nerfs is instead of balancing the meta they nerfed him to ground.

They aimed gun into a room of civilians (rogue play styles), then something clicked in their head and they whipped out a grenade and threw it in there

It killed the meta yes, but literally every rogue build aswell

[flint mauve]

Does that mean poison weapon and rupture is now the least nerfed, after weakpoint and ambush.

[split cypress]

literally read, even with all these nerfs u can 1 tap out of stealth, double jump to off angles hold thme with blue crossbow wait for soemoen to walk by and shoot them in the head with rupture out of ambush and they die

[subtle heart]

stop nerfing the fucking rouge,

[ebon lion]

Funny poison/rupture fists, remove that from game.

Have poison/rupture be good and affected by gear. No nerf it to the ground

Wanna use daggers? No unless you want hit someone 30 times when they need to hit you once

Want to pick pocket. Lmao 20 sec invisible, and if they touch you. You lose hide

Want to run Funny caltrops, lmao you get 6. And they despawn

Wanna run hand crossy? Gotta rock a "mastery" perk with zero buffs.

Wanna rock an assassin playstyle, you can but with how hard your nerfed let's be honest you'd be better rocking ranger

[frosty pebble]

+1 agreed

[sacred ice]

yeah, I agree. balancing should be done base on irl logic. imho wizards shouldn‘t be able to cast any spells, since there are no spells irl. and don‘t get me started on warlocks…

[slim vector]

I think rogue is still viable, we need to nerf him some more, new hotfix rogues can only wear pants and chest, no other armor slots

[delicate solar]

I'm tending to defend devs everywhere possible cause I like them, but here you're right, hard to counter )).

[ebon lion]

Wanna make rat packs with fellow rogues. Lmao just waiting for the announcement where IM caves and bans teaming

Wanna rock rapier, lmao play bard. He gets dmg boost. And he's 1000 times better at everything you currently do

Want to play a looter rogue? LMAO that's hilarious. Bard does everything but better

[ebon lion]

Lmao you miss the point, I don't want balance around irl stuff

It's just hilarious as a rogue you do better when playing as a monk.

[slim vector]

I'm just so freaking happy I won't need to worry about getting one shot for a patch

[novel plover]

COLLECTING ROGUE TEARS ONE CUP AT A TIME

[split cypress]

so happy I wont get punished for not waiting 50 seconds every time i open a door or move in any new area of the map bcs

[subtle heart]

why is there that little people playing the game right now

[sacred ice]

your base rondell still has a higher dps than fists.

[ebon lion]

I'll admit, I'm happy they got rid of the yucky one tap meta rogues. I'm just sad how he's now worthless because they all got rid of every playstyle on him

[rapid stirrup]

all 2 playstyles, how horrible

[ebon lion]

Oh? Well darn I haven't tested myself

I trusted this community and someone mentioned it currently does less than 20

[subtle heart]

just rat around it’s not hard

[delicate solar]

It's not for long, just as with Wizard, they'll buff them back. They just need to balance whining of rogue victims and rogues themselves and that needs some rough changes to get a good estimate.

[split cypress]

they'll change rogue next patch, just needed to nerf them hard so people stop running naked blue dagger rogue in half the lobbies

[ebon lion]

Ah yeah I trust IM enough to believe they'll try and balance but God damn they took that heavy handed approach

[subtle heart]

rouges hide should work like tf2s invis

[queen sentinel]

Rogue playstyle: Sit invis, stab 2x in backhead in a split second, enemy dead.

[ebon lion]

Lmao, you've gotta be playing a cooking game if you're finding vegetables like that

[delicate solar]

Well, heavy handed yes, but look at all the rejoice in the chat and "collecting rogue tears" )). I'm sure IM has something in store too. We should let those people have fun for now, we'll get our portion later I presume )). Very intrigued about 26th overhaul.

[subtle heart]

rouge should play like tf2s spy, invis should be a meter that slowly regens and you should be able to activate it whenever but last like 8 seconds, but you can crouch walk for free and walk normally with increased invis consumption

[delicate solar]

Agreed some TF2 inspiring would actually be good for this game )).

[subtle heart]

also is there any reason to run a geared wizard in goblin caves? A simple green spell book and a decent robe seems to be just as effective as a fully kitted wiz, it just feels bad to lose a good set in like 5 seconds because of how squishy you are, and most people arent going in with god gear anyways.

I’ve never seen a geared solo wizard

[delicate solar]

Aren't the phrases "good kit" and "squishy you are" contradictive? In good wizard kit you are automatically not so squishy )).

[rapid stirrup]

oh boy let's use goblin caves as the metric for balance discussion. because goblin caves matters so much

[ebon lion]

Luckily I main warlock so I'm still having fun but good heavens

They practically opened fired into a public crowd. Killed all of them and said hey look we got terrorists.

As the other civilians just lie there dead, and In the distance we just see another group of civilians cheering "Yay we got the terrorists" ignoring all the innocent deaths

[mortal obsidian]

yo rogue needs more buyable daggers

[rapid stirrup]

goblin caves was a mistake

[delicate solar]

Interesting analogy, but continuing it we should say the bullets weren't lethal (nerf reversible) and they immediately rushed medical teams )) (announced a next patch).

[subtle heart]

Cope comment, rouges playstyle with hide was just super unfun to play against.

[mortal obsidian]

could use daggers that have a bit more damage (buyable with gold ofc) because its lookin really barren for what rogues can use

[subtle heart]

Its pretty much as popular as 3 mans and it seems like the developers are at least somewhat considering them when balancing

[ebon lion]

God I hope they call in that medical team cause dear heavens they massacred them

[subtle heart]

rouge needed a rework not a nerf, they didn’t change what was so unfun about hide at all.

[delicate solar]

I'm sure they'll do just as soon as they'll look at the numbers and community feedback even if it wasn't planned initially. I think the polar feedback from both sides was the thing they wanted all along for their potential Rogue rework.

[daring idol]

Someone explain to me how warlock one shots me as a fighter with starter staff??? No spells casted on nothing.... just one tap from 100% hp to 0

[rapid stirrup]

at one point in dev q&a they said they were balancing strictly around 3v3s. but yeah nerfing rogue only makes sense if they're looking at goblin caves because that was the only thing it was actually a dominant force in

[signal kindle]

HS does what? 40-ish damage on a hs, maybe a bit more

CoP does 40 on a hs as well

[ebon lion]

See, I'm not a game developer but I've realized something sad about IM. They aren't confident enough in what they want DaD to be imo, they seem like they're at a crossroads at who they want the game to appeal to but instead of picking one or the other they keep hoping back and forth

[subtle heart]

They haven’t even released the first real patch, you’re being over dramatic over because of hot fixes.

[daring idol]

No spells casted, he just turned my way and one tapped....

[austere zinc]

LMAO ROGUES HAVE TO PLAY SOMETHING WITH SKILL NOW

[signal kindle]

Oh, I didn’t mean CoP, I mean BoC. Which takes about a second to cast

[delicate solar]

Yes, that I agree with fully. But it's how it should be, they're young. We like them for their dream and passion and that's only there because they're young. I'm sure they'll find a way. At least if all the fanbase won't tell them they're doing shit.

[subtle heart]

WITH SKILL LOL. delusional

[unborn vigil]

They should keep shifting the meta till it gets in a good spot. The current rogue facetanked at door gameplay is not fun for the person opening the door, or the rogue who has to sit there for 60 seconds at a time.

Same with longbow meta on ranger, it's not fun to get onetapped across the room by a 100+dmg longbow, its not fun for the ranger that gets shot, or the wizard that gets shot :p

[daring idol]

im saying he did not cast anything i saw him few secs before he saw me then take staff out as soon as i was near him so he did not have time to cast anything

[signal kindle]

It’s a self buff, he moves his hand together and that’s it

He can cast it with just his hands as well

[subtle heart]

1 buff 8 nerfs in a hotfix

[ebon lion]

I think you misinterpeted what I meant. I'm sure they still got an idea of what they want DaD to be. And I believe that they'll eventually reach that point.

I just hope that on the way to that point they don't well murder all the sides of the community but instead try to make sure one is very happy and the other is atleast content

[delicate solar]

I do not agree that they should choose who to appeal to though. Exactly as sneez said a message above, they need to shift back and forth and listen everyone. They don't know where they are, they want to find a good spot, but for that they need to move. And move big. Move and look, and move, and look. And that's what they are doing.

[ebon lion]

Ah yeah sorry dogshit wording on my part, that probably came off wrong. I want them to appeal to everyone. But they seem to be atleast imo trying to only appeal to certain sides of community, changing their mind and switching to the other side. If that makes sense

[signal kindle]

The game isn’t fleshed out enough to be properly balanced rn. Let more classes get introduced and more balancing rounds. Tarkov wasn’t balanced when it released and neither is this game

Shit, they’re barely getting exploits fixed

[delicate solar]

Exactly.

[ebon lion]

Side note Craze, the more they nerf my meme rogue builds. The more and more I main warlock, god do I love warlock. He's so damn perfect

But I'm getting scared, more and more warlock complaints are popping up, and we all know what happens when those complaints pop up

[signal kindle]

Most of my raids had like 75% rogues. I’m so glad they’re nerfed.

Warlocks are definitely fun, I can’t wait for wipe day and start farming HR GC early

I tried fighting the 2 worms + red centipede on HR GC and that was a mistake… the worms don’t seem to get cursed? And it was just too much lmao

[ebon lion]

On a completely different tangent, I love traps. I hate the fact people got them nerfed.

Do I run Ranger? No, I suck at ranger. But I love the idea of traps

But here is my issue, rogues traps are a limited ability. Ranger traps are a infinite source if you have the gold and space. My issue is that I think it should be one or the other not both. Either make caltrops a item, or bear traps an ability

Also @signal kindle dont get me wrong, I am happy they fixed the 70% rogue one shot bull shit. I'm just sad they ruined all his meme potential recently. Some dum dum decided it was a good idea to remove poison and rupture on fists

[signal kindle]

I have a feeling they’re reel some of the buffs back when wipe day hits. Looks like they’re prepping for a rolling balance change

[ebon lion]

Wait did they actually make it so you cant curse worms anyone? if so that aint good, I dont like that change. I'd be lying if I said that didn't worry me

[subtle heart]

i didnt know a rogue could one shot, what kinda build would he need?

[signal kindle]

Idk I hit them with CoP and I had 0 luck it seemed like. No healing received.

@subtle heart a decent dagger (purple) and the stealth buffs. I got one tapped by a couple rogues in HR GC that were pretty geared. Had 0 chance

[subtle heart]

weird my orange 33 kris cant even 1 shot nakes, with ambush weakpoint pre nerf

[signal kindle]

+damage rolls and rings, but yeah. Sounds like the rest of your build was ass

[delicate solar]

Ambush Perk. Weakpoint Skill. Third hit of Castillion or Stiletto as a first attact to the head. Difficult, but one hit from invis.

[ebon lion]

Weird, I know that you could originally heal off of worm. They may have given him a weird hit box so you gotta target a particular part to plop CoP on him now

[subtle heart]

muyst have been bad yea +3 all + wep damg kinda bad

[signal kindle]

idk what to tell you, sounds like you’re in denial

@ebon lion maybe, I wanna try it again because it seems silly not to be able to curse a single sub boss ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ebon lion]

It was some loser build, you had to go through a bunch of effort if you genuinely wanted a one shot.

But there was the build of ambush, weakpoint, and anything else you wanted that would let you spook someone and scare them so hard you'd kill em before they reacted

[ebon lion]

If it helps I did just confirm atleast that cockabitch is still CoP-able

Side note, idk about you. But a 1 handed sickle for Warlock would be genuinely bad ass. Not as edgy as a scythe and is quicker/different from a falchion

[subtle heart]

Spooky a geared rogue could oneshot

[astral plover]

anyone having there weapon disapear when they take the fountian of speed?

[ebon lion]

It was, so they IM aimed into the crowd and took blasted off a cannon. They killed the terrorist's of Goblin Cave but at the same time killed many innocents. Never forget the lost souls

May their Souls Find Peace

i.e every rogue build

[signal kindle]

I think they over nerfed rogue myself, but they were cancer how they were.

Hopefully IM makes them better in different ways

[subtle heart]

Dont worry soon we will have equip daggers or armor perks

[delicate solar]

Come on, they are just in hospital, they might turn out ok by Sep 26th )). Well, I certainly hope so being one of the innocent ones ).

[ebon lion]

Ah yeah, again I'm sure they'll fix it but it was a big was it worth the cost moment

[subtle heart]

We will all hop on rangers surely thats less cner

[sinful pecan]

It truly is nice knowing ranger is next up

[subtle heart]

the rouge has been nerfed so many times since Alpha

[subtle heart]

Not enough, not untill every action is a perk :3

[ebon lion]

Good heavens I just hopped they have good insurance or when they get out of the hospital they might have some new issues

[signal kindle]

They nerfed the meme builds and pick pocketing (hopefully they bring rogue back this way)

But they never addressed his damage…mostly

[subtle heart]

when they fuck are they nerfing rangers

[silver rose]

worthless ranger main

[rapid stirrup]

to be fair, like the rest of the meta, rogue gameplay fundamentally shifted in teams when bard came around because of din, they went from being bad in teams to almost worthless against bard (which 100% of good teams ran)

[subtle heart]

Lol, im only lv13 😦

[ebon lion]

Side note, just after they nerfed my beloved fist rogue builds

I was like oh they need to fix this, Then literally 2 hours later they announce they're planning an emergency hotfix. And you know what they do, they nerf my other meme build, pick pocket.

[delicate solar]

Yep, agreed pickpocketing is fucking fun and should be brought back asap, no one will suffer from that.

[ebon lion]

I feel like a neat hide rework could be the time is doubled in shadows but halved in light. Which would allowed pick pockets to once again thrive in the right scenario.

I aint a game dev though so i got no clue if that would work

[subtle heart]

Too many rogues in gc shitting on kids, happens

[signal kindle]

When 8/9 people in a match is a rogue, there’s an issue

[subtle heart]

8/9 will be rangers all g :3 naked rogues scawwyyy

[signal kindle]

Also how does the effect the troll farmers? They already took forever. Rogues gonna take all match to kill the cave troll lmao

[subtle heart]

Surely now that their daggers do torch damg , they wont be scary

[signal kindle]

I’ll take 1 useless class than randomly dying instantly to a bullshit class

[subtle heart]

If u were dying to naked rogues sounds abit like a skill issue, xzd surely rogues more scary than a barb

[placid ibex]

any class kitted out is broken rn not just rouge lol, its gear and dmg adds tbh

[delicate solar]

Sounds good, bud hard )). But I'm just a dev, not gaming one ). They also should fix the skill itself, a lil less time, maybe add a 0.7 sec timeout to "bump unhide", also for sure they need to work with** the targeting**. Awesome to pick every trash item and see all the jewelry when spec afterwards )).

[signal kindle]

Barb is easy, all his weapons are easy to parry

[wise wagon]

Finally rogue is nerfed, this class was way to op..

[subtle heart]

Ur gonna parry his horseman axe? To what get hit by 3 more melees and die? What? XD

[subtle heart]

these devs are n00bs. you dont make sweeping nerfs across one class and call that balance.

[placid ibex]

this lol

[signal kindle]

Don’t say it too loud, the rogue mains will say you have a skill issue

[wise wagon]

Yeah ofc they will, I also liked to play rogue but the times I got killed as a barb by a full stacked rogue in 3 hits was wayyyy to good

[signal kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6npmHt2yTss

Infact I do, sold his entire kit for 3k

[next basalt]

ofc one shoting people with barb is fine as it is. clueless

[versed grail]

What are devs smoking with this Rogue nerfs? Im glad I stopped to play lol another game ruined by devs

[placid ibex]

nice plays lol

[wise wagon]

Barb is a lil OP too but slow xd

[signal kindle]

Dude, I was so confused when he went soaring

[subtle heart]

Holy warlock too op!!!! Nerf like wtf the damgg, i think warlock needs to do torch damg too now

[solemn geyser]

anyone have any idea how good of a roll +8 magic resist would be

[ember hare]

whats up with people teaming in goblin caves, i thought that wasnt allowed. Can we do that?

[placid ibex]

the WTF! when you first seen him haha. golden

[wise wagon]

The real question is what is top tier class now? @ember hare people still do this, it will always happen..

[signal kindle]

I mean everyone can get out now, right? As long as someone takes the stairs.

[placid ibex]

and if its natural and it isnt a mate you tried to q with apparently its fine

[ember hare]

oh okey, cool, good to know. Guess ill team as well then

[timber bridge]

Rogues need to team now if they want a chance at winning a 1v1, Will probably be a new perk you have to use if you want to team as rogue though

[subtle heart]

Queuing up for gc will soon be a perk

[rapid stirrup]

definitely not. it's 9 people - 4 portals spawn + stairs

[next basalt]

honestly they should have remove legacy bs gear before nerfing anything.

[placid ibex]

in theory 3 people are dead to traps and goblins before the game starts lol

[signal kindle]

I was thinking HR GC, which is capped at 6. My b

[signal osprey]

not wiping levels is kind of odd any thoughts?

[proper spindle]

Unnecessary with people already rerolling for 1-14 lobbies

[next basalt]

my main concern with rogues is still in the game. stupid naked rat gameplay. the nerfs didn't touch that at all.

[signal kindle]

HR early bb, I’ll take it.

[signal osprey]

it takes less than 8 hours to hit 15 not much progression there

[subtle heart]

I agree, remove rogue from the game

[next basalt]

wdym. rogue is a cool class, but they should force people into fighting not even more ratting like dipshits.

[signal osprey]

damn people and there lives

[proper spindle]

Let them waste a slot on rat mastery

[rapid stirrup]

nah it takes most rogues about 172 hours to hit 15 because they usually die to first pve mob in every single dungeon

[gritty vine]

GOLD PURSE should HOLD 250 G
GOLD CHEST should HOLD 5000 G
stop punishing hold hoarders

[errant steeple]

Probably has a lot to do with spilt lobbies. Wiping level puts vets back in with noobs and it hasn’t been very long

[next basalt]

do you really think the rats care about taking another skill to enable their obnoxious gameplay?

[wheat saddle]

Spend gold, no hoarding

[proper spindle]

No, but it makes them worse if they play with it, ambush can no longer be your only damage and just run speed perks with it

[gritty vine]

i play longsowrd, i don t need to.. XD

[signal kindle]

Man I would kill for better storage for gold

[delicate solar]

Wdym? Forcing rogue to fight is absurd. The whole point of rogue as a class is staying out of front fight. The rogue who wants to fight is called either fighter or ranger )).

[next basalt]

a naked rogue couldn't kill anything with some gear.

[proper spindle]

All a naked rogue needed was a blue+ daggur and it could nuke everyone

[next basalt]

dumest shit i've ever read

[delicate solar]

Elaborate, please )).

[next basalt]

what are you on?

[wicked parrot]

Listening to you grown ass men WWHHHIIIINNEEE AND CRYYYY like a little man babies and disgrace all mankind is pathetic. I'm doing the exact same shit on my rogue with the nerfs, the only difference is I need a little bit more gear to do so. Yall bitching cause you can't kill full groups with Grey gear and green weapon.. give your balls a tug and be men

[delicate solar]

I'm making a point that we are playing a game based on D&D, where you have a class based on your main activities. The main activity of rogue cannot be to fight, the class needs it's own identity and forcing them to fight is killing it.

[next basalt]

i prefer rogue being a flank class and provide something to battles, not a rat hiding in the dungeon and being useless af.

[subtle heart]

yeah Im sure thats the issues. GL with all the class's that can 1 shot. that havnt gotten a nerf since alpha

[delicate solar]

Being able to hide does not mean rogue shouldn't amount to anything in battle, I'm just saying it shouldn't be the main focus of the class. It may be a focus of the build, but not the class.

[next basalt]

so do you

[exotic gust]

gone from matches full of naked rogues to naked rangers lol

[flat radish]

honestly if its wiping just full wipe dont just wipe items

[delicate solar]

Exactly.

[flat radish]

i feel like it would give them more data all the people who are good and experienced will hit level 20 quicker than those who arnt and you can see the seperate lobbies in tandem from the begining

[next basalt]

seems like you can't even properly comprehend my statements. no point in talking to you.

you said nothing, literally.

my statement is, nerf naked rat gameplay without making the class useless in teamplay and combat in general. you haven't asked a single genuine question.

[proper spindle]

Rogue ain’t useless though, you just can’t use the crutch nuke anymore

[foggy meteor]

This games hot dog shid I’m just going to say it.

[next basalt]

after this update there will be even more rats and even less proper rogues and i hate it

[stone scarab]

This game has more care put into in than most AAA, I think what you are experiencing is called skill issue

[proper spindle]

No u

[bright parcel]

server error please try again. anyone else cant login. im eu

[next basalt]

dude its not, they added a rat perk to increase the duration again.

[foggy meteor]

That must be why it’s so fair and balanced

[slow wing]

Ya'll need to put HR back to it's original cost, everyone from HR is going to norms to pub stomp instead of paying that cost and it's ruining normals. When you encounter a full ruby silver fighter with legendary sword and he kills 7 people in one game it's not fun anymore for 3 games in a row, we're just trying to fight people in our same caliber and you've made it impossible to even get out because EVERYONE wants to pub stomp instead of paying 150g. Really lame.

[noble crest]

thanks for destroying rogue class! now i gotta play shitty ranger no skill piss class!

[stone scarab]

They take Early Access release as it should be, to test and balance. You get balance patches every week

[foggy meteor]

They have been doing this shit for over a year just throwing noodles at the wall they have no idea what they are doing and have gotten nowhere

[stone scarab]

In this case I believe you should just delete the game and leave this discord server, I mean if it’s so hopeless

[foggy meteor]

Already deleted the game and I’m allowed to be on the discord Dingus brain

[buoyant willow]

bard running around in goblin caves killing everyone with drum headshots, what is this'

[stone scarab]

Of course you are allowed, but why spend your own time shit talking the game you have deleted, when you can play something much more balanced and fun?

[next basalt]

clueless

implying a naked rogue cares about the damage nerf. the rats will still flood the lobbies and that is my biggest concern. i've never got one shoted by a naked rogue.

[foggy meteor]

Because I spent a lot of my time playing it and wanting it to be good. But since the devs are clueless and the same people who tried to lock classes behind a paywall. Never forget

[gritty flume]

i can't play solos man, i'm just genuinely not psychotic enough to w key every player in the lobby when there's enough portals and my inventory is full. What goes through people heads when they just kill indiscriminately for literally no purpose? How is that possibly justifiable?

[pearl sandal]

fist make more damage than a starter rogue weapon xD

[next basalt]

zenix you are the worst toxic shit in here, just saying

[simple whale]

The amount of times that people post this is hilarious, I wanna see you attack as fast with fists as with your dagger

[next basalt]

constantly malding and insulting. so much fun "discussing" with you.

[foggy meteor]

Lucky im even allowed to be a troll because if ironmace had it there way I would have had to pay money to be this race

[next basalt]

u didn't ask a question lol

[unborn vigil]

loot, money, and gotta get him before he gets me.

[sharp wren]

can green gear have enhancements like move speed +5? or are maximum proccs only for legendary gear?

[pearl sandal]

It's not about it; it's about how the class has been nerfed so many times. I understand that a class needs to be weakened, but this patch was too much.

[placid forge]

has anyone seen the DnD rip off? GiG

[sharp wren]

thanks, very helpful 👍

[next basalt]

this patch is blizzard style of balancing

[pearl sandal]

Now, there's no need to play daggers at all, just rapiers.

[delicate solar]

Yeah, you are the one to talk about "toxic shit", right )).

[pearl sandal]

The Rogue is useless right now, they really nerfed the Bard, and I don't even want to talk about the Warlock. You can basically toss those three classes in the trash. But it's funny how they don't want to weaken the Ranger, xD.

[sharp wren]

@placid ibex another quick question, in the wiki i can only find value ranges for stats, for example it says "Action Speed" can be 0.5% - 2.0%
does this mean there are only 0.5%, 1%, 1.5% and 2% OR are there like smaller steps like 0.5%, 0.6% 0.7% etc etc

[next basalt]

i mean, bard is still fine, even on the stronger side of things and warlock is just an unfinished mess.

[foggy meteor]

I threw down 3k gold for a god kit to see what it felt like as I play solos almost exclusively. It made me realize how much of a disadvantage I have really been at all this time. I might as well have been playing without fingers.

[placid ibex]

im sure the percentages go up in 0.1s so 0.1 0.2 0.3 etc

[foggy meteor]

Meant to reply to a different comment zen my bad

[sharp wren]

i thought so too, thanks again 👍

[next basalt]

))

[subtle heart]

Rogue mains, how life after the update>? rogues still good against barbs and fighters?

[delicate solar]

Yep, till 26th gonna exploit me some Ranger, while still can )). Kinda want they made traps viable for Rogues as well.

[pearl sandal]

They would need to weaken rogues so that casual players can enjoy the game.

[smoky temple]

rogues need the ability to trap chests 😄

[subtle heart]

yeah life's gonna be hard for them rn. i think they went a lil too hard on them, just my opinion though.

[delicate solar]

For "casual players" enjoyment there will be The Forest map, the balance butchery is not for that, it's to gather feedback from both the victims and the rogues imo.

[placid ibex]

i agree tbh, its a gear/stat issue, the only rouges that made me cry myself to sleep were in 2 wpn dmg across the board. they need to balance gear and stats rn not classes

the fact the best stats spawn on greens still is actually baffling. like they dont even think about it i guess

[tulip cloud]

My impression is that Rogues are going to have to choose whether they want to invest in burst or pen. You can still get some decent burst damage with rupture, ambush + backstab but you’re going to have to set up your fights well. The other option is going Weakpoint + Armor pen perk and using hit and run tactics. You can go one or the other you just can’t do both and still be an invisible land mine.

[bright parcel]

anyone else in uk cant login to launcher???

[whole eagle]

Honestly im just happy that im no longer the only non rogue player in the gobo caves anymore. Last time i stopped playin for a week cause a rogue in greys with blue dagger 2 tapped me with full cobalt on my cleric, there were no time to react cause if u rogue players be honest to ur self thats what it was. Just bulls*** and the nerfs were needed to stop rats. With the hide and dagger dmg its to much nerfs, yes but the rest was needed boys.

[pearl sandal]

Okay, if that's the reason, then it's okay that DaD has killed the class.

[sterile quartz]

I’m really trying to learn barb but I have so many questions that I have any experienced barbarians in here that can help answer would be much appreciated 🙏

[tulip cloud]

What questions Padawan

[delicate solar]

??? WTF are you talking about? They killed and revived classes many times already, that's called development. They just butchered Wizard's Haste & Invis and rolled it halfway back in the very next patch.

[fair thicket]

I think ppl dont realized that default Rondel dagger deal the same amount of dmg as torch it’s insane

[tulip cloud]

No class should be able to do it all, especially with Invis as a mainstay in the class’ kit. You’re still going to be a monster when buffed by a Bard and Wizard with +3 all stats on top of your Joker, and ignite on top of your dagger damage. In solos you have the best survivability in the game. I’m certainly not going to lose sleep just because Rogues can no longer escape most encounters for free on TOP of being able to burst down just about every class in the game in purps with a blue Castillon or Rapier

[signal kindle]

Has faster attack speed tho

[fair thicket]

Yeah I know but agility got nerfed on rouge as well

[unreal otter]

damn i am the only person in this HR GC lobby

[next basalt]

kinda unsure how we achieved that unnecessary argument since it seems like we're sharing the same opinion after all. i didn't meant to be toxic or anything, just felt like you were picking on my messages without saying what's so wrong about them and kinda insulting me. felt oppressive. hopefully we can put that side and talk about the state of the game like the grown ups we are. anyway i'm sorry if some of my messages were too rude.

[twin sable]

i played when it was free , is it honestly worth the 35-50

[glad steeple]

does normal ruins have better loot or normal crypts?

[next basalt]

man, i never tried to insult you. you copied two of my message and shouted at me "i'm wrong" without saying whats wrong about it. i genuinely never saw your "question". feel free to repeat it.

[tulip cloud]

Unfortunately until wide sweeping gear changes are made it’s the geared people ruining the experience for new players, and new players shouldn’t be rewarded for running greys with gear fear. I would even argue that the class is better for teaching newer players to dodge because you have to rely on your movement speed and time your attacks better to avoid getting shit on by mobs. As for Rogue vs. Bard a Bard in greys is only gonna win against a Rogue in greys with his buffs up and only if he has an arming sword or Falchion. A geared rogue or an inexperienced rogue will still beat a geared Bard or inexperienced one with his trash rapier any day of the week.

[subtle heart]

okay just saw the patch notes and yeah they made it more harder for the low hp classes who were complaining about rogues invisibility. hard damage nerf but extended 40 sec invis perk.

[sharp wren]

In the wiki there in the enhancement page there is something like "2 Hand Hybrid Weapon"
Anyone knows what weapons would be considered in this category? There is also 2 hand physical and magical, but they are self explained

[delicate solar]

Oh, then I'm sorry too for thinking you are toxic )). Just seemed oppressive that you think that your way of playing something is surely better despite all the context saying otherwise )). The more ways there are to play this game, the better.

[humble dune]

It was. But I see this game regressing not progressing.

[next basalt]

as it should be since bard is designed to be a support class after all?

[tranquil perch]

Please, consider upvoting this suggestion of improvement to both melee and ranged combat, good people! Help make this idea to come true!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement

[brazen bane]

why am i ONLY GETTING WARLORD and no other boss bruh ima cry

[tulip cloud]

I’m not disagreeing, only commenting on the disparity between a buffed up bard vs an inexperienced Rogue. In most cases, Bard vs Rogue is a nightmare matchup for the Bard if the Rogue knows what they’re doing.

[rapid stirrup]

2 handed hybrid weapon literally only refers to crystal sword, as it is the only weapon that does both magic and physical damage on swing

[delicate solar]

The moving in one direction only is just impossible in real life. They are bound to make mistakes and that's fine.

[sharp wren]

so we can have stuff like true physical damage and physical power on a crystal sword?

[tranquil perch]

I love how braindead barbarian is... No cap. I always have something to worry on other class, something to manage, trying to be quiet. But barb? Nope. It's Johnny the axe-man time! Smash chest, smash doors, smash people and extract most of the time being absolute force of nature, lol!

[tulip cloud]

I still think Rogue will be able to burst the squishies with minimal investment in gear. Bards, Rangers, Wizards, etc. have terrible armor options and you’re still going to be able to ambush them and get 2 free hits if you know what you’re doing. Grab a white rapier and use your rupture + hide + ambush + backstab and you’ll be dropping them like flies.

[humble dune]

I only have seen steps backwards since early launch. And not a lot of balancing actually working out. Seems everything they touch gets worse at the moment. Losing faith.

[delicate solar]

Just like it should be for a real D&D barb )).

[next basalt]

all good man. it's an emotional time for discussions about DaD. i don't think my way of playing is superior. for me personally it's a problem when the whole lobby is full of naked rogues (because it's such a boring experience) and i feel like people complain about this fact the most. well and the recent patch almost didn't touch this playstyle at all, so people will keep on complaining about rogue infested games with genuine rogue 3s players getting the d after the recent changes. honestly the wipe can't come soon enough, since +3 all and unnerfed damage weapons, legacy gear so to speak is the by far the biggest issue rn.

[nova cipher]

just get to them..? haha

[tranquil perch]

Oh, yes. I absolutely love it. When I am tired of other class gameplay - I just hop on barb and let the instincts to take over. Head empty style.

[rapid stirrup]

yes, but it's only going to apply to the portion of the crystal sword swing that does physical damage, which is about half of the damage before you account for scaling.

[unreal otter]

Agreed, the only problem that I feel is that they really should not of nerfed hide at all, like in all honesty it probs needed a buff because it really can be just replaced by a potion.

[sharp wren]

very helpful, thank you 👍

[humble dune]

They really need to hire a savant to come in and balance gear. The best gear in the game should only grant like a 10 percent advantage if that.

[tulip cloud]

Yeah you only have the best mobility in the game, the only class with vertical mobility, and a built in stealth perk so naturally getting close to them should be close to impossible right? ;~}

[tulip cloud]

I’m not saying that all of the nerfs were warranted. Personally I wouldn’t have nerfed hide so heavily or made the changes to daggers; The Weakpoint and ambush nerf were enough to put a stopgap on the burst damage. I do like that Rogues have to actually pick and choose their engagements now though instead of just hiding and W keying into everyone they come across.

[delicate solar]

While being all smart and logical it's crucial also to not forget about fun. And items are the only way to change stats rn, can't do what you say without addressing that.

[nova cipher]

Just hide and hope they come to you lol. xd

[unreal otter]

yea they cant just hide behind a door or next to a portal naked and win every fight.
The main problem I felt though was +3 weapon dmg armour and rings. Feel like they should of done what the did with +all

[tulip cloud]

Damn you’re right he should have a teleport ability and get free kills because setup and planning should have no impact on how fights play out in the game. You seem like a reasonable and well informed player.

[nova cipher]

big ups on this. the only class with basically zero range options and they cant even fight close quarters now.

[rapid stirrup]

oh yes, barbarian is known for their myriad of ranged options

[next basalt]

remove stealth and give rogue some sort of evasion/survivability cd to make them last longer in fights. definitely easier to balance it's damage around that. just a thought.

[nova cipher]

franc axes at least cripple people :) and they can actually duke it out cuz of their massive strength bonus

idk to me it just feels like every other class is a better rogue now 🤷‍♂️

[signal kindle]

Keep stealth, make pickpocket better again

[delicate solar]

Yep, if all my throwing knives were with 30% slow it could be a real option ), now even what I already have doesn't work, I can't even make poison work effectively enough in current meta )).

[rapid stirrup]

yeah poison has been absolutely dogshit since they fixed locust swarm and as a side effect fixed magic scaling on dots

[next basalt]

i mean, you could give rogue a stealth, pickpocket, lockpicking "perry" kit with perks/skills/whatever where you have to sacrifice your damage for it, so this type of playstyle won't get removed entirely but the oppressive stealth kills aren't a big threat anymore. ambush isn't healthy as it is.

ye, definitely. i really think rogue is lacking a proper defensive cooldown for a straight forward combat build. would be a fair trade for removing stealth burst.

[delicate solar]

Well, now you're talking something sensible. Previously it was like "remove all hiding rogues, force them all to fight" )).

[rapid stirrup]

give rogues windlass crossbows for ambush

[next basalt]

i'm trying to be respectful and objective.

[unkempt obsidian]

so just to be clear after the hard nerf nobody can complain about rogues anymore right?

[edgy pier]

Fighters eith 80% armor wont get 3 shotted anymore by rogue weakpoint thank god

[placid ibex]

fighters with 80% are part of the gear issue i just mentioned

[nova cipher]

wrong, magic damage weapon add with 15 will plus poison perk on rogue daggers will still easily 3 hit you. It can reach like 40-50+ damage a tick. I just dont think most players know about it yet.

[next basalt]

yea, it's almost impossible to compete with legacy geared players. no matter what class you are playing on. even without legacy gear, i think the gear difference is still too big. ofc people should be rewarded for wearing top end gear, but it's too much of an advantage rn.

[subtle heart]

people are still gonna complain. just massacred a full geared fighter +pdr and armor rat. its just that fights are a little longer now. i went full magic build.

[vale patrol]

glad everyone can quit complaning about nerf rouge after man just got murdered

[delicate solar]

Thank you very much for that. I guess if in this game even different fanbase sides are constructive enough and not at each others throats maybe devs will be constructive enough as well )).

[novel plover]

sipping on dem rogue tears

[placid ibex]

fantastic disscussion point, glad you are here

[edgy pier]

Only weakpoint needed the nerf honestly

[nova cipher]

Cant wait to see his tears when rangers are hit on the 26th 😂

[novel plover]

COLLECTING ROGUE TEARS ONE CUP AT A TIME

[wheat ferry]

I definitely get being upset about the rogue nerfs, but watching the literally children crying in discord is so funny

[unkempt obsidian]

lmao watch poison get gutted again too. almost as if armor doesnt work against magic damage XD

[next basalt]

glad we are able to settle this quarrel.

[lilac juniper]

i play it a lot cant wait till it gets gutted, shits dumb

[nova cipher]

yep that's the only decent rogue build now, stack up to 15 will and build magic damage add.

[vale patrol]

most rouges with a brain are just going to go sprint slayer fighter now not much point in playing rouge

[edgy pier]

Why 15 will?

[nova cipher]

under 15 will for rogues and ur magic damage gets cut by big percentages, cuz they have base negative will or something

[lilac juniper]

longer hide, and 100%magic power, instead of 95% or whatever

[vale patrol]

#buff rouge

[subtle heart]

every point of will increases magic power. rogues poison deals magic damage.

[lilac juniper]

only when you can spell it correctly

[nova cipher]

so it seems rogues get -45% magic power bonus, and 15 will puts that back to 0% I believe

[vale patrol]

gotta live up to my braindead playstyle

[edgy pier]

Nerf druid

[wheat ferry]

^^^

[lilac juniper]

maybe you should try going barb then

[subtle heart]

hahaha good take

[vale patrol]

lol big axe hit head W

[edgy pier]

I want to transform into a bear

[weak umbra]

nerf rouge op

[lilac juniper]

really? i would choose spider or rat, imagine the leeching you could do

[vale patrol]

nah slayer sprint fighter is the way to go if ur rouge now literally better rouge just no stealth

[edgy pier]

Even with sprint fighters dont reach 300 spees lmao meanwhile rogues are perma 300+

[lilac juniper]

accelerendoooo

[vestal stump]

where can i buy cloaks?

[edgy pier]

Anywhere but not on discord

[weak umbra]

all trade channels

[vale patrol]

if u get the armour movespeed perk easy with sprint just take the no heavy armour perk n now with the nerf to agi on rouges u can easy chase down any rouge that isnt naked

[lilac juniper]

again, rogue*

[edgy pier]

Rouge means red in french idk why u keep saying that

[weak umbra]

rouge* learn to write please

[wheat ferry]

It's rugoe dummy

[vale patrol]

lmao i wonder if this is the disscussions iron mace thought we would be having

[lilac juniper]

its actually rogeu

[hard wharf]

I think warlocks hellfire should be a hit scan like zap personally

[weak umbra]

nerf rugoes

[vale patrol]

it is hitscan it just has like half the hitbox

[wheat ferry]

I can't even

[edgy pier]

Can we nerf full movespeed warlock?

[novel plover]

ROGUESTERS MAD COLLECTING THEIR TEARS ROGUESTERS MAD

[sacred ice]

iron hammer… rugs worst then spifer momy.. pls buf

[wheat ferry]

I'm coninually surprised by how many actual children occupy this discord lol

[sacred ice]

occasionally a bit of fun is ok. otherwise this salt mine would be unbearable

[delicate solar]

Why children, maybe procrastinating infantile adults )).

[weak umbra]

message cd is still here 😴 it was 30 seconds yesterday and now back to 1 min again

[nocturne furnace]

Is anyone else having serious fps issues with the game ? I'll go from 120/130 to 30 if a molotov is thrown

[weak umbra]

sure, but its random. sometimes it runs smooth and sometimes i lag when trying to block with longsword

[cosmic furnace]

man yall needa fix these damn spiders lol

[nocturne furnace]

Yea that's kinda what happens too, I'll go 5 games no issues, then suddenly one wizard throws a fireball at me and my whole game breaks lol

[wheat ferry]

Oh no there's tons of that too

[floral sluice]

how long does it take for you peopel to reach level 15 usually?

[weak umbra]

depends on a class, like 4-10h

[sacred ice]

it also depends on how you want to do it. killing mini-bosses in crypts and resetting without extracting will speed up leveling. but you won‘t have anything else besides the lvl

[upper quest]

+2 magical damage will be the same as +2 additional magical damage?

[lilac juniper]

2-3 business days

[gritty flume]

random stutter making me unable to look around? any fix? just started happening

[lilac juniper]

some dupe method requires a ddos, hence some of the lag occurances

[haughty otter]

Be sure to stop looting if you're lagging as the automated ban system may think you're looting from further away than you should be able to

[lilac juniper]

oh shee

[haughty otter]

Yeah happened to me although it was rectified I didn't realise the cause of it. Turns out this was the cause ^ client side bodies and server side bodies can be in different places and trick the anti cheat into thinking your cheating

[lilac juniper]

i hope this automated system doesnt catch on my aimbot

[haughty otter]

Not a good joke 😆 considering how strict their anti cheat is

[lilac juniper]

dw ill just miss 50% of my shots

[haughty otter]

You should be like me and miss 99% of your shots makes the game super fun 🤣

[lilac juniper]

i can relate 😔

[haughty otter]

xD I am moving to cleric after wipe ranger is becoming less fun now

[tranquil perch]

Please, consider upvoting this suggestion of improvement to both melee and ranged combat, good people! Help make this idea to come true!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement

[lilac juniper]

i am maining bard, which i am getting good at, but the rework

[tranquil perch]

And here I thought I was the only one talented! Hitting 1 of 100 arrows should be considered as a talent, right? Right!?

[haughty otter]

Bard op! Keep at it bard cleric and wizard is an unreal team! @tranquil perch YES ANOTHER PRO GAMER GREETINGS

[surreal atlas]

I am beginning to see a pattern of people trading their good gear to a friend to hold, and then making new characters so they can take high tier gear into low level runs.....hopefully this is something to adress soon if they plan to keep the two tiered matchmaking setup. several streamers do it rather blatently on stream in fact.

[tranquil perch]

https://tenor.com/view/charliebrown-snoopy-cupid-love-missing-gif-3530047
Me shooting at someone.

[wild gull]

13 damage from dagger as rogue... I cant even kill a flippin gobblin now, thats a joke

[lilac juniper]

use rapier till daggers gets buffed

[wild gull]

well nice job, 0 cash so how can I use rapiers?

[valid lily]

so is the idea to have a playtest without rogue ?

[raw talon]

No cash as a rogue? Couldn't me be

[lilac juniper]

it aint that hard getting a zero pvp runs as rogue

[haughty otter]

Yep and what was worse before the separate lvl ques was the fact you go in naked at lvl 3 survive till last circle and there's a team FULLY stacked waiting for every player in the lobby to come to them so they can farm them for the treasure they spent 15 mins gathering with no armour on!

[wild gull]

well Im so great for all of you guys to be so amazing at this game, Im noob, not rly experienced pvp-er in this game, im getting shat on by pve, not to mention pvp, so for me is tough to make some cash in here, I wasnt rly successfull rogue before patch but now, its a completely deleted character for me 😦

[heady oxide]

Try different class

[wooden birch]

anyone seen any ores on the ruins map? been trying to find some and cant

[surreal atlas]

warlock is pretty fun. not neccisarily good, but fun :3

[wild gull]

obviously, not much what I can do

[delicate solar]

How do you play PvE? Which dagger do you drop? Do you drop pants?

[sacred ice]

why not?

[wild gull]

no, I just run as the game gave me, all gear all daggers, there is no "in game info" that I should drop everything and just use this and that.
If game gave me all gear so this is what I wear, I also figured im much slower then I was as rogue.

[dapper sphinx]

Guys, does Magical Healing work on allies or does it only work on the one who has these items?

[lilac juniper]

The one

[dapper sphinx]

👍

[knotty shore]

can anyone here please tell me how much trolls blood should sell for?

[delicate solar]

The base rogue gear now (except tunic) is so bad you really better off without it. Dual wielding is broken now too, has no profit and and a big downside of movespeed reduced, so drop one of the daggers 100%. For PvE Castillion is better, it's combo is good vs goblins, start swing it, hit first one, step back, miss second hit intentionally while goblin counters and land the third, it does 1.5x damage.

[subtle heart]

when is the next wipe

[zenith yew]

Wipe on Tuesday?

[cobalt siren]

Cant make voip to work, tried basicly everything i can think of. Any help?
Turned VOIP On, made sure it was in prox channel, it seems it cant detect my mic

[wild gull]

havent played any playtests before, only experience i've got its lets say, 10 hours at max of gameplay, since I reached lvl 15 on rogue( it was painfull experience for me) i started playing against fully geared up people and it was just shitstorm for me, thank you @delicate solar for advice.

[sacred ice]

afaik the game offers no possibility to select your input device and will aways use the default audio input from windows. might check there, if your mic is configured there like this

[cobalt siren]

Might be the case, was another one selected, gonna try it out

[gritty flume]

i actually need everyone to stop complaining about pvp so they can work the kinks out of the ai so i don't die to bugs anymore. Goblin mage projectile needs fixing, skeleton guard hitboxes need fixing, all ranged mobs can shoot through walls, IMO this stuff should be way higher up on dev to do list

[delicate solar]

Always used everything around to evade shooting, never saw a mob shoot through a wall, where did that happen?

[gritty flume]

all ranged mobs shoot through walls if they end up touching the wall and pointing their weapon through the geometry. Happens fairly often in goblin caves ramp room above east centipede

Goblin mage projectile is the worst, 1/20 times the projectile just doesn't hit the ground and continues homing at you until it hits you

[delicate solar]

Yep, that one I died to, and not once )).

[quiet elm]

guys I just hit dummy with bare hands it shows 15 damage. Is that a bug? because rondel dagger does 14 and how can bare hands do more damage than a weapon?

[tranquil perch]

People. Please, watch your steps. Rangers can be crafty witho those traps...

[uneven pollen]

I think you'll find the dagger attacks a lot faster than the fists

[quiet elm]

bruh but how is that true to dnd setting? bare fists should do 5 damage max

[delicate solar]

Exactly, that's how the devs overreacted on all the "Rogues bad" screams )). They just were in a hurry, overlooked, will be fixed soon. Probably will nerf fists )).

[wraith pebble]

when is the wipe guys?

[delicate solar]

Horseman's Axe had a funny damage too after it's balancing and somewhat still does, can't look after everything at once.

[echo elk]

What’s the “op” class everyone is crying about now that we get to see nerfed to less-than-fists damage on Tuesday?

[novel plover]

shield player detected

[echo elk]

Sure I’d play a shield. Blocking with shield does more damage than rogue now

[dusty gorge]

4 days

[fervent verge]

when the wipe

[dusty gorge]

26.sep

[wraith pebble]

sure?

[fluid snow]

from a scale of 1-10 how much differnt do u guys think this update tuesday is gonna change the game/meta

[dusty gorge]

yes, it says it on the patch notes

[weak siren]

Depends on what the patch is about. People have been talking about talent tree, which I guess could make a big difference if that is true.

[formal moon]

Idk, probably just gonna make the game better for gc. Last hotfix showed they can't read data

[subtle heart]

Does sanctuary for cleric heal enemy players?

[stark sky]

no, but it should

[silk moat]

man why did no one tell me fighter is 10x more fun to play than barb

[thick elm]

just started playing yesterday......anyone wanna run some?

[plain otter]

The U15 ruins queues are basically dead, havent had one fill up yet this morning... the lobby splits are stupid

[delicate solar]

Can you elaborate, what "data" are you referring to? Pretty sure they can read just fine, they just not did what you wanted ).

[surreal rapids]

I think they should reset character levels for the wipe. It's fun when everyone is leveling. Trade post available immediately after a wipe seems like it could be bad.

[formal moon]

Rogue has not had a place in teams for .....pretty much ever. Now they removed anything rogue had. In addition it was a massive problem a few patch to have daggers doing 13 dmg (better for all fresh rogues to just use fists) and they reverted us back and pretty much deleted the class. Removing any reason there ever was to even play it unless you enjoy it. Zero team mechanics or reason to be on a team

[boreal island]

so by data you mean your feelings

[surreal rapids]

You've watched repoze dominate as a rogue since the beginning of dark and darker in teams right?

[delicate solar]

I'm a rogue main. Let's just wait 26th, ok ))?

[stark sky]

Still, jay team has been running rogue in their team forever.

[errant halo]

rogue nerfs when ?

[echo elk]

Repoze is disgusting, I don’t think you can really consider him the “norm”

[delicate solar]

It's exactly as you said. "They removed any reason there ever was to even play it unless you enjoy it"
That might be the core of why that was, to get how many ppl actually want to play rogue as a class and not just abuse mechanics.

[plain otter]

yesterday?

[timber cedar]

FISTS ARE MORE VIABLE THAN DAGGERS. rogue is essentially just becoming a rat gold farm class. No pvp options

[stark sky]

Dunno, if he can do what he does. Then others can with practice

[echo elk]

Rogue was one of the least represented classes on the leaderboards in terms of kills

[sacred ice]

dunno. hitting spiders with fists sounds a bit hard.

[formal moon]

Repoze only dominated with legacy gear, and the perfect comp for a rogue. Buff ball, and since they've both been nerfed he's falling behind. In a normal wipe, repoze would never get past top 50. But EA they've done so many things they said they don't want to do. Like allowing loot hoarding preleaderboard start

[echo elk]

Right? Everyone is like “look how broken rogue is Repoze is frying” meanwhile the next rogue on the kills leaderboard is at like 79

[fathom tartan]

rogue is dead

[formal moon]

@surreal rapids @stark sky both of you are talking about 1% of a player base who is in the rare situation of being funneled gear by viewers and having the ability to hoard before the leaderboards. Showing neither of you even know why repoze got above top 50

[sacred ice]

on that point. watching lindstrom get killed in 2 seconds by two base gear rogues on his s-tier gear is a good addition to the nerf-rogue discussion

[sharp wren]

Is All Attributes +2 at the moment droppable? The wiki says there is only +1 possible

[formal moon]

Two ppl killing one a bad thing.... lol get a grip man. Two people SHOULD kill 1 person especially melee 2 v ranger 1

[errant steeple]

No but pre nerf gear is still floating around. I have a couple + 3 all bows

[surreal rapids]

Rogues needed a major nerf, just deal with it like every other class. They dominated the play base and 60%+ in lobbies. High roller was boring, because it was all naked rogues. You could be bad at video games, play rogue at this game. Manage to get a blue dagger, go invis and kill someone. It was unreal. They needed to be decimated and they were. Iron mace knew it. Deal.

[sharp wren]

Okay nice, thank you 👍, but ye, +2 and +3 will not be relevant for me since they will wipe soon i guess

[sacred ice]

yes they should. but it‘s still funny that they are able to do this against soomeone with legacy gear with +3 all on each slot

[errant steeple]

I told you exactly this would happen bozo. Rogue nerf mainly bc of solo. Looks like you were clueless after all

[errant steeple]

Yeah not many left as of now and come Tuesday all are gone

[broken dome]

.....Dagger does 14 damage BEFORE you calculate str, phys power, penetration, additional phys damage, etc. Like I get you want to argue in bad faith, but this just makes you look dumb

[errant steeple]

Rapiers are untouched so they still have a good weapon

[formal moon]

Those rogue's were playing to escape. It's the classes ability to escape that was making populated. Largely due to gear disparities and legacy gear. Which is why IM is just bad at reading data

[subtle heart]

Now its 80% fighters in lobbies,,,,,, what next?

[peak crypt]

Also, in regards to torch/hands memes—that’s a single hit, not DPS. Rondel swings much faster than your fists or a torch. (Still though, nerfing junk daggers was uncalled for lol)

[formal moon]

It's not that I was clueless. Just you hope the devs have a clue. But they're showing to be like all the other devs. Uncapable of reading data and listening to the audience whom didn't even like the game they were trying to create

[broken dome]

At least fighters have counterplay. You can see them, you can choose to fight them and drink a blue pot before the fight starts, choose where youre goign to take th fight, etc. Acting like more fighters and less rogues is a bad thing is very telling lol

[surreal rapids]

Nerfing junk daggers was a f u and hilarious. Definitely unnecessary but i love it

[cosmic wave]

bro jay and repoze dont get funneled gear they loot bosses early in wipe so quit with this " theyre only in top 50 cuz they were given gear BS

[errant steeple]

Right you’re smarter than the devs and the entire player base I forgot. 6/9 players were rogue in the average gc lobby and then dominate high roller and it’s the most braindead easiest way to farm kills and loot in the game, but yeah I’m sure the devs and everyone else just didn’t read the data as effectively as you LMAO

[sacred ice]

so there wasn‘t a problem with more than 50% of players in crypts being rogues? edit: nvm, I misread

[peak crypt]

There’s no way you can actually back up that statement. I care a lot about this game, i wanted rogue rebalanced. You dont even have access to the data.

[plain otter]

So 5 ruins matches in a row this morning, none filled more than 8... can we just revert the stupid queue changes now?

[errant steeple]

I wasn’t playing crypts so I can’t speak on that, but if that was the case then clearly yes

[cosmic wave]

I dont see what the issue is, i just started a fresh rogue character and im 9 out of 10 raid survives with 7 kills

[peak crypt]

Besides, the rogue nerf is pretty irrelevant when we know there’s a huge balance change on the way. It’s a band aid.

[errant steeple]

Please this

@cosmic wave well under 15 lobbies is a much diff experience than +15

[delicate solar]

Oh, that. Well, you are partly right, about the rogues being everywhere before patch not because they are the strongest but because they had a big chance to just escape and had a unique playstyle overall, but how could you distinct between a person that wants to play rogue and a person that wants to abusive onetap everyone? To divide something you need a wedge. That patch is it. "They removed any reason there ever was to even play it unless you enjoy it" as you said, so now they can have their data filtered on how many rogues really likes it HARDCORE :D.

[subtle heart]

When did i say i have a problem with rogues or fighter? Stop assuming stuff u imbecile. I was just mentioning the current situation/ state of lobbies. people like u need to get booted of this game.

[rigid raft]

Rogue literally unplayable hahahaha what is dmg?

[river walrus]

Exactly, they gutted the rogue but i bet they bring everything into balance. THey had to guuyt it to have a fresh start to be able to figure out what works and what doesnt. At least imo

[surreal rapids]

Don't bother trying to make sense to rogue fanboys, you'll have a better chance getting ana de armas and megan fox to send you feet pics

[cosmic wave]

yeah its the truest test without all the end gear stats scewing data

[austere harness]

thanks for pushing out updates so fast ironmace

[broken dome]

Then why bring it up? Why say "Whats next?" like this is just shifting the meta away from rogues towards something as equally as bad?

[errant steeple]

Lmao yeah I’ve come to realize this in the last week

[indigo schooner]

Are you running full grey gear trying to fight good geared players??? They still do damage, you just actually have to buy gear now, instead of running a naked rogue

[rigid raft]

yepyep just do dmg cant deal with armored players above 40% res,
daggers deal 30% less dmg,
my damage\attack speed reduced,
btw I get 1 shot by most ppl

[subtle heart]

why not? is it fun facing the same ops over and over again?

[cosmic wave]

in under 15 where ppl are less geared so less scewing it seems to have balanced things out a little

[broken dome]

This is what people cant get thru their heads. There are SOOO many huge changes that will happen that will change the gam in fundamental ways that doing ANY balancing right now is almost pointless and its just the devs wanting to give players a decent experience right now while we wait for the bigger changes.

[wooden birch]

ranger is so violently OP whats the point of playing anything else?

[peak crypt]

“It has so much counter play!! You’re just not bringing in enough oil lanterns. And when they hide, just run away! It’s not like the rogue is going to chase you, cmon!!”

[cosmic wave]

double jump away?

[broken dome]

Well yes, thats the point. There are some classes that are much more fun to fight against than others. Rogues were some of the least fun classes to play against, and they made up 50% of lobbies. So yes, if the lobbies are now a bunch of fights + other classes, thats just objectively better. Hope that helps

[rapid stirrup]

what lobbies? goblin cave? cause they're not 50% in any of the actual non crap modes

[errant steeple]

Right lol. Absolutely ridiculous for anyone that plays the game and isn’t a rogue main. I’m a pretty resilient player and I was about to walk away from DaD if the didn’t do this

[peak crypt]

Honestly I think ranger is pretty balanced. It’s an extremely oppressive class in the right hands, and very frustrating to deal with. But they’re not doing anything that every other geared character is doing—they just do it in a way that feels very trash when it happens to you. Dont get me wrong, they’re very strong.

[delicate solar]

Well, if by "balanced" you mean a wide range of equally effictive ways to fuck you up, then yes )).

[peak crypt]

Most of my play time since pt3 has been duoing with a friend. He is monster when it comes to pocket healing. We 2v3 in crypts often, and do well enough. Ruins pushed us into going rogue/rogue or rogue/ranger. This guy has never played anything except cleric. After a few successful runs he said something like: “I can’t believe rogue is this easy. I thought they were working for kills.”

[broken dome]

In a place like crypts, ok I can see your point, depending on which part of the map we're talking about. But 90% of Ruins for example is just wide open space where having range with a fast projectile is such a huge advantage. Hopefulyl they find a way to make them not so map dependant. Maybe tweaking the numbers on projectile damage over distance in the future

[delicate solar]

Which is still three more ways than rogue has now and one/two more of everyone else )). I don't ask to nerf ranger, just some of that variability to other classes, please.

[slim ether]

Wow great anecdote

[peak crypt]

Rangers ruin ruins. No argument from me there.

[delicate solar]

Well, thankfully that's not for you to decide.

[peak crypt]

I wish i had the clip of the purple +armor stacking plated fighter/cleric group that we dropped as naked rogues. We made bank on that and absolutely had no business winning that fight.

[stark fog]

Don't say that word. Armchair devs here dont know anything about statistics

[weak siren]

Every time I look in here, I lose braincells.

[slim ether]

Clip or it didn't happen

[broken dome]

i no u r but wut am I?!

[tulip cloud]

Certified Jesus the Cleric moment

[delicate solar]

Can you read? I specifically said I am not upset about rangers having anything, let them have it, just not only them )). The more ways every class has to play the better.

[whole flame]

[azure totem]

Well, if by "balanced" you mean a wide range of equally effictive ways to fuck you up, then yes )).

[wet cloud]

When is next wipe?

[broken dome]

this coming tuesday

[warped drum]

Bard in goblin caves is broken as piss, remove his ability to throw his drums

[thick elm]

isnt it only gear though?

[peak crypt]

Tuesday 9/26. No specific hour provided yet

[surreal rapids]

All the ranger hate is kinda funny. They're strong, yeah. But not oppressive. Sure they could use a nerf. But, they are nowhere near as bad for the game as rogues were. At least you can see them when they shoot you.

[hardy nimbus]

Yeah not really worth it. Recent changes revealed the most toxic parts of community on both sides. Then 95% of suggestions are just nerf/buff rather than thinking about actually reworking stuff. It's quite braindead approach.

[slim ether]

Barb in GC is broken as piss remove rage

[broken dome]

dude just pick up his drums after he throws them

[pulsar galleon]

You should throw at drum at yourself NOW

[silk moat]

barb is trash with default kit

[tulip cloud]

Bro if you can’t block Bard drums or crouch while looking down you deserve what’s coming to you. Pick his drums up, reset, and now he has nothing because he’s probably running reinforced instruments and you just took all of his damage away

[sonic maple]

ok last port al just spawned near a wall and the portal was all on the wal and i couldnt get i n and died

[peak crypt]

Why run default unless it is wipe day?

[broken dome]

lmao thats awesome

[silk moat]

@peak crypt because poor

[formal moon]

Actually very easy to show it. With how legacy gear was left and just extracting and seeing rogues with maybe 100g on sellables full grey hiding

[delicate solar]

Exactly. And how that is contradictive to what I said afterwards? All I meant is ranger has many options in combat compared to other classes which is not really well balanced and there should be more classes like that with more options then just "hit em". That's all ).

[warped drum]

it take 1/2 drums to kill you, so it doesnt really healp to pick them up, hit the bard with 2 direct fireballs and he didnt die. He hit me with 2 drums and i slumped over haha

[peak crypt]

Wait what? You think you know that the devs listened to the wrong part of the community because you spectated on some rogues with gray sellables?

[silk moat]

rogue was rebalnced didnt you see

[tacit reef]

Do we have any idea when Patch #1 is going to drop?

[tulip cloud]

You have haste and Invis forehead the only way he killed you in two hits MINIMUM is if he was running purp drums and got headshots. Always be moving dummy

[broken dome]

lmao the 'data' people use to calibrate their feelings vs the data ironmace has access to

[bright parcel]

anyone know how to fix server error 2 on login on launcher??

[peak crypt]

Someone flamed me over an anecdote when i was just talking with someone else about how we FELT about the rogue meta. Youre using an anecdote as data.

[warped drum]

ohh yeah says the bard player, you are just defending your class

[weak umbra]

check dark and darker site

[tulip cloud]

Yeah I actually know what it takes to kill somebody with drums, unlike the trash wizard dying to a drum headshot. Crazy concept I know

[broken dome]

Bro, I get that 100% of the time when I play from work. What I have to do is turn wifi off on my phone, and then enable hotspot using my LTE, then connect my laptop to hotpot. Then signin. Once im at the launcher, I can reconnect to wifi like normal and play on my work's wifi. Its only the login screen that is blocked for me.

[silk moat]

then i throw a smoke signal hotwire my car and run a hamster wheel to play dnd

[bright parcel]

ive tried using vpns same problem

[hardy nimbus]

P2W discord tactics. Server boosters can chat twice as much. Nerf now pls.

[peak crypt]

I would contact my ISP. When DDOS happens ISPs will block endpoints. They might not have any (good) automated processes to unblock those endpoints.

[bright parcel]

what am i supposed to say to my isp lol

[tulip cloud]

What’s your message cooldown? Mine is a minute I’m pretty sure it’s the same for everybody. Also skill issue git gud at wallets skillz 😉

[hardy nimbus]

Oh seems you are right. It's 1 minute. I was pretty sure it was 5 minutes, at least yesterday after patch for sure. Might be reliant on amount of people chatting or set up by mods I guess.

[surreal rapids]

There's a video of Aikira demolishing people with drums. 1-2 throws. 3 sometimes for barbs. He's just giggling the entire time. Kills like 50 people. It's pretty broken. Granted, he had hella gear.

[peak crypt]

Get the address to the ironmace login server, say that it cannot be accessed, then hope and pray to the horrible gods of bureaucracy that the tier 1 help desk person you spoke with puts in the right ticket and then wait.

[main raven]

You honestly don't need hella gear to make a Drum hit for stupid damage lol

[novel plover]

COLLECTING ROGUE TEARS ONE CUP AT A TIME 🫵 🤓

[tulip cloud]

Yeah they change it depending on whether they dropped an announcement that they expect will generate a lot of traffic. The general chat is also 5 minute cooldown pretty much always so could be that as well

[warped drum]

go into goblin caves leaderboards, and then shut your mouth

[tulip cloud]

I’ve seen it he has legendary/purple drums, is running reinforced instruments, and is getting headshots. (On top of being a phys damage build with crazy stats) Imma tell you right now 99% of Bard players are not playing like Aikira lmao

[mint oasis]

Remove ability to throw drums = problem solved

[surreal rapids]

This whole game is a meme tbh. Best meme ever

[plain otter]

People like you are the reason things suck - the drum stuff is silly and far from meta, dont remove it

[novel plover]

RANGERS DEAL TOO MUCH DAMAGE PERIOD NERF ALL BOWS

[tulip cloud]

Oh stuff it I’m not gonna take advice from a wizard that doesn’t know how to play. L + no shadow wizard money gang bozo

[peak crypt]

In fact, let me do it on my barb again! (Jk but it was way too good haha)

[mint oasis]

Its op af..there is no way a focking drum should do 100+ dmg

[ebon lion]

Mig every patch they keep removing meme builds. They're ruining fun and trying to make this into a serious game

[obtuse lily]

Bring back drum throwing for all classes then we good

[plain otter]

Why shouldn't it when you stack things to buff the damage? If you stack damage on a longbow you can do a lot more than that, and its way easier to hit those shots than throw a damn drum

[mint oasis]

Even blind kid can hit drum its so ez...m

[surreal rapids]

I think the drum thing is a bit out of hand. He basically has 4 fireballs with a .5 second cast each and faster projectile without the splash

[plain otter]

@mint oasis why dont you go ahead and post a video of you rolling around doing it then?

[mighty valley]

Yall not gonna be happy til everything is nerfed to 1 dmg =/

[mint oasis]

Coz i deleted my bard longtime ago..boring and op class

[plain otter]

The crying on this discord is absolutely absurd, god forbid people do creative shit and find a way to kill people, yall wont sleep till the whole game is W keying with gray arming swords. @mint oasis real convenient ... its super easy and OP but you cant do it

[mint oasis]

Bard mains spotted 🤣 i love when peoples get mad when you say their main class is op

[surreal rapids]

I hear you but some things are just too much. The drum thing is contradictory to the entire game. It's not very skilled. It's easier than shooting an arrow and it's faster. Don't remove it, just lower the damage a bit. It's not popular right now, but if people catch on it will be

[plain otter]

Can you explain to me what something "very skilled" in this game is?

[rocky ore]

dogshit server dcing a lot atm

[novel plover]

longsword

[split grail]

Every class needs serious nerfs

[tulip cloud]

The people whining about Bard drums watched Aikira’s video and thinks every Bard is doing that shit and not just one guy with way too much time and practice with that playstyle. Try it yourself then tell me it’s OP y’all ain’t Aikira and never will be.

[surreal rapids]

Comments like that just scream that you've never watch a drum video or had one thrown at you. You can't dodge it. It literally shoots faster than an arrow. @plain otter hitting with arrows is harder, knowing what perks/skills to take in, weaving in and out of combat, knowing when to pop a potion, where to place a trap, when to engage, when to cancel a swing, etc

[rocky ore]

longsword is a meme. would be nice but half players are rangers so how are you expected to riposte anything

[lone tapir]

whats with the parody account

[plain otter]

Got it, so holding right click and facing someone = skilled, but holding right click and aiming at their head.. not. @surreal rapids Thats not an explanation of something that takes skill, thats you crying more

[novel plover]

??????? ive never heard such moronic thing in my life

[surreal rapids]

Ok, unfortunately the vast majority of people that post in here are fking rtrded. No point in having a conversation. Later

[tulip cloud]

Oh get bent you haven’t been dying to a plague of drums you’ve maybe died once to somebody who probably watched the same video and thought it was funny. Literally grab a shield or duck while looking to the side you people will whine about literally anything you see online I swear

[mint oasis]

Just ignore him..that guy is full of shit

[plain otter]

Have you read your own comments?

[honest bolt]

I feel like im the only person that likes the rogue nerfs so that i can play rogue without feeling obligated to be an assassin type build, and instead go supporty rogue

[novel plover]

"comment" only said one word

[plain otter]

I asked you to tell me an example of something that takes skill is, you insulted me. Who wants to have a conversation in that situation?

[tulip cloud]

These terminally online complainers don’t even play the game they just watch videos and whine about what they see here it’s pathetic.

[pure owl]

RIP rogue

[plain otter]

there were 7 words in that comment my friend

[tulip cloud]

It’s like Reddit spawned a bunch of neckbeards and they all came to this Discord to whinge.

[vestal radish]

true

[novel plover]

you need to take a basic class on logic

[plain otter]

You need to learn how to count, here I can help you, in that last comment you used 9 words.

Not him

[novel plover]

first you said 7 so you clearly cant count and thats not the comment i was referring to bc it is stupid to refer to that comment bc it assumes that my position is "ive never heard such moronic thing in my life" on "ive never heard such moronic thing in my life" because you said "have you read your own comments" broken logic

[delicate solar]

Goddamn, someone doesn't know when to stop )).

[tulip cloud]

Wtf is this argument

[novel plover]

i dont care im here to complain always

[empty sun]

Keep it civil please

[humble cobalt]

You're lv 15 with nothing and go into a normal game with everybody so gear up

[tulip cloud]

The most stable Dark and Darker commentary

[rocky ore]

whats with the room temp iq

[novel plover]

if u nerf ranger real quick i swear i will kiss everyone here

[pseudo lance]

So whos triggered about rouge nerf

[empty sun]

Not something I can do

[grim vessel]

The rogues, who do you think

[tulip cloud]

@lone tapir He just said to keep it civil guys CHILL 🤣

[novel plover]

when we bring back executions and the guillotine rangers are first

[lone tapir]

i just asked why he got my teammates name 😂

[timber rose]

where's the ranger nerfs at?

[grim vessel]

Hopefully incoming with the wipe

[tulip cloud]

Honestly nerf IronMace I can’t believe that they don’t want 70% of their lobbies to be invisible land mines that nuke each other and get free loot like what are they even THINKING bro. Clearly somebody at IronMace is a Ranger main this is UNACCEPTABLE!!!!1111

[livid steeple]

Coming after the fighter nerfs

[novel plover]

devs dont play the game and they all have 0 gold in their stash

[twin spear]

Rangers dont even really need a nerf its just longbow thats way too strong

[grim vessel]

I'd love to talk to the guy at Ironmace who thinks Rangers are underperforming

[lone tapir]

that cant be real please lmao

[novel plover]

"by how sad you are about it id say you dont either lol" 🤓

[tulip cloud]

Honestly Ranger should have double jump and they need to bring back trap skill checks and make them cheaper, like maybe 1 gold for blue traps would be gucci 👍

[ebon lion]

Just my opinion but I always thought the idea of making longbow unable to use triple shot seemed good.

I hate the idea of nerfing classes, but reworks and balancing is always nice and opens up more ways to play

[grim vessel]

It's the only reason I can think of as to why the only nerf rangers have ever gotten was the removal of skill checks when escaping a trap.

[lone tapir]

it wont be long till they get nerfs brother, surely spud is consistent and will now call for nerfs of his own class as it's a tier above all else

[novel plover]

why dont they nerf triple quickshot damage? like make it do 100% first then 70 then 50

[next basalt]

off hand parry dagger when

[grim vessel]

Hell why not 10 heals and bump up the heal to 50 health. And while we're at it let's lower the cooldown to 1 second and make the animation instant

[twin spear]

thats interesting actually its just rangers class wise are pretty balanced unless they have longbow like when was the last time anyone died to survival bow

[lone tapir]

who here cant eat a loaf instantly tbh

[pseudo lance]

I actually somewhat agree with this or remove the slow effect from being hit

[spark musk]

Or at least scale triple shots speed with the weapons speed, longbow should have a slow triple shot compared to survival bow