game-discussion

[vestal matrix]

probably would have seen his friends tho

[long kite]

GET THE FUCK OUTTA REGULAR GOBLIN CAVES WITH FULL BLUE SHIT GO HIGH ROLLER YOU LOSERS

[high nebula]

Yeah sounds like a cheater

[delicate adder]

If they were cheating they probably would've seen his buddy and killed him instantly too, idk about this one man I think it was just a good guess

[graceful storm]

True most of the people who run cheats also happen to be really bad at the game and try to use those to make up for it so who knows

[plain marsh]

we both hopped out of invis. i ran, my buddy ran at the wizard and killed him. there was no opportunity for him to do such a thing after. @frail widget that explains everything.

[frail widget]

Rupture can be seen while invis

[delicate adder]

I guess thats fair I'd just have to have seen it myself

[hasty lynx]

bards doing 40 damage in a sightless AoE through walls and floors is fucking unacceptable.

[graceful storm]

Fake news

[plain marsh]

is it though? it would certainly explain the interaction. i did have rupture active while invis

[delicate adder]

Idk what's so hard about just coding it so that bards can't hit through solid objects with songs dude, nerfing the damage instead of fixing the core issue was a weird solution

[odd siren]

Y'all ever think that the devs would ever add a sort of gear score system? Like you would be put into lobbies with people who have similar gear, like if you came with purples and such and such, you would be matched with other people with the same type of gear? There's definitely some cons that may overtake such a thing, but do you think it would be somewhat of a good idea?

[hasty lynx]

it used to do MORE than 40 damage???

[graceful storm]

That's definitely not the way it is supposed to work, maybe if it were a glitch in the game it could idk

[dusty kestrel]

That would kind of defeat the purpose of getting gear

[delicate adder]

They used to be able to wipe whole teams with a well-timed din of darkness it was absolutely insane

[plain marsh]

people who come up with this suggestion genearlly have 0 idea how gear works. a good green is better than a purple. lets say you went to hell, found a purple that was an upgrade, but was also bad. it would raise your gearscore so that you are fighting better g eared players, but the piece of gear bringing up into that matchmaking pool is trash, so you are at an inherent disadvantage. this kind of gameplay would actively discourage people from getting gear upgrades

[mental viper]

can iromace remove rogue from the game? fucking campers no skill

[delicate adder]

Yeah it's kinda the same reason why in old singleplayer RPGs like Morrowind, enemies would scale up to your level so there wasn't really as much as an incentive to get levels

[plain marsh]

meanwhile, i could go to the trading post and buy full green gear with the EXACT rolls i want. and be exempt from the higher gear lobbies, and just stomp everybody because green gear is actually good

[green stirrup]

i truly believe invisibility needs to mirror how it works in halo. YOU SHOULD NOT COMPLETELY DISSAPPEAR FOR OVER 15 SECONDS

[high nebula]

No one falls for invisibility in halo, you would kill the class immediately

[delicate adder]

People didn't like this system at all

[tropic kraken]

Or just put ur gear in ur inventory when u enter so ur 0 gear score lol

[plain marsh]

@odd siren hope that dissuades you from the idea that gear based matchmaking is feasible in any way, shape, or form. it's simply a bad change to the game, period, end of sentence. it is an entirely indefensible idea

[green stirrup]

but its also comparitively a LOT darker in this game, it would be very easy to still use it

[odd siren]

Yeah that's what I sort of thought

[wispy turret]

I dont mind Invis potions being the only limited LONG TERM invis, Bards invis I have not found too much of an issue either since you can hear them play the song.

[plain marsh]

the 1-15 lobby split though is a good thing. there's almost nobody running tuned gear with the exact stats they want. no wizards one tapping you with fireball. no 85% pdr fighters. etc etc etc. i have actually run into these characters because they have been drop traded that gear, but those events are very rare. it is exclusive to people with too much money that just want to noob stomp. as the risk/reward is not very good

[untold wasp]

rnager holding tripleshot or mage holding fireball while bard invis is not ok

[feral wadi]

I have played a lot of bard and only once sucessfully set up an ambush with song of shadow
and yea, it was a ranger holding trip shot

[high nebula]

Yeah but the game is a lot slower pace, where people are looking around. You would never be caught off guard if they weren't completely invisible, they just need to nerf ambush and buff rogue's other play styles

[odd siren]

But also how would you deal with pub stomping, where people roll into regular dungeon with like all purple and oranges, when everybody else is running whites and greens and maybe a blue here and there? Obviously there are many factors to stuff like that and honestly I'm kinda shit at the game so there's that too

[wispy turret]

thats more of an issue with dumb game logic, should not be able to do more then just have weapons drawn, I just wish most invis was like the wizards, bursts of it to allow hit and runs and fast escapes without the constant camping.

[warped orchid]

Invis people should still cast shadows, and looking at a light source through an invis player should cause a distortion

[odd siren]

I think it's good that other classes can't do that besides wizard and rogue, it would make some classes fucking monsters if they could invis like that

[plain marsh]

the game needs further balancing on gear differential. at the same time you cant expect to win every engagement. the game IS supposed to feel punishing. as it stands right now though, it can be a little too punishing, and i dont think most people disagree. further balance should solve that problem.

[coarse epoch]

Nerf rogues doing 3/4 my health naked please in goblin caves and ranger traps

[odd siren]

I miss old healing 😭

[broken saddle]

And all other classes do more than that to us rogues

[junior flicker]

what are these "exploits" they are talking about banning for? I don't think that is addressing pre-game teaming but that's the only thing I know they are having an issue with

[coarse epoch]

ur just poor buy a dagger and 3 shot fully geared tanks

[inland birch]

Sup my rogues bros, ready to lose ambush and weakpoint damage bon us and actually have to play properly

[west fox]

Balancing is fine as the game goes, but they are literally adding whole ass systems to the game still which probably change balance in and of itself. At this point, we've signed up for early access. Things might not be the best right now and that's okay, if it's too much, take a break and come back. You know in a month there will be 3-4 patches. These devs cook, and no one questions their work ethic. We're crying about balance without talents implemented for instance. Game is lethal and punishing, just come back. So many more games to play if you aren't having fun.

[plain marsh]

hold on let me break out my little violin for you

@coarse epoch i was wiping teams yesterday with nothing but a blue stiletto. being able to 1v1 a barb as a naked rogue just feels wrong.

[junior flicker]

it is supposed to be a "stealth" class, not a naked one tap invis monster class.

[bright parcel]

anyone else having loging in issues

[little fog]

do they base their updates on their time in South Korea? It's Friday for them already so maybe we get the update soon? 😄

[rain briar]

Rougue is the easiest class, i just switched to it and i can kill geared players as naked without even out skilling them, a white castillion with ambush weak point on 3rd hit of combo does 115 damage, i used to play fighter and whilst rogue is fun to play its broken the only counterplay is hoping they miss which is a sad state for the game

[cosmic tendon]

The friday update has been delayed for a hotfix on duping. We will still receive the balance update part of the patch it seems.

[broken saddle]

A rogue is a "assassin" class not a stealth class specifically, and rogues stealth is pitiful at this point being bumped getting revealed, our footsteps are super loud even with the quieter footsteps perk and our move speed is nerfed so almost any character can catch up

[shrewd sage]

I started as a rogue after getting creamed as a wizard, thought i was good until i played other classes and realized im still mediocre

[little fog]

ah ok thanks

[unborn hamlet]

Playing rogue

[vivid pendant]

sdf — Today at 6:00 AM
@everyone, We are planning to roll out an emergency hotfix soon. Includes critical issue fixes and balance patches.
Because of this, Patch #1 may be delayed by a few days. This will be communicated again shortly with detailed notices.
We are also tracking people who are exploiting bugs and will ban them all. we're really sorry you had to go through this situation.

MAY be delayed, so most likely, but always a chance it's on time still
we shall see

[vestal matrix]

3 douping exploits apperantly

[novel plover]

buff rangers buff wizards buff rogues too weak this patch

[limber badge]

SURELY a wipe around the corner then

[cosmic tendon]

There is a item dup problem rampant since friday, they are FINALLY responding to it. No wipe tho. we got 50 damage falchions, +3 all stats gear, and now tons of duped keys inflating anything on the market. Wipe isnt fair tho for some reason.

[novel plover]

you need to understand sarcasm asap

[hazy pike]

Fighter is pretty much dead weight right now.
Barbarian outclasses fighter in every aspect of the game, except for ranged utility, which relegates fighter to being a worse ranger in many fights.

[vivid pendant]

and does any of that really matter in the end?

[cosmic tendon]

That's a ridiculous question. Its a video game lol.

[drifting comet]

Can you add a rogue free mode?\

[vivid pendant]

you guys really should be doing more HR

[odd siren]

HR is scary tho :(

[analog shell]

Yo guys, since its okay for others to 2v1 me in caves is it okay if i team with people too?

[empty stratus]

yes

[tropic temple]

yes

[tired kelp]

WHen is wipe people saying is friday

[winged prawn]

yes

[vivid pendant]

seeing an average of 5 people per run LOL, including myself

[junior rain]

if you take pick pocket as a rogue you shouldn't be able to get bumped out of stealth

[vestal matrix]

no wipe has been announced

[odd siren]

I HOPE WIPE IS SOON I HAVE LIKE ALL BUT 3 CLASSES LEVEL 15+

[little fog]

you know you can just reset your character if you want a "wipe" lol

[empty stratus]

Fighter is so good rn you're delusional. Someone made a video showing how a fighter with ruby silver can take a crazy amount of hits. Killing people with a grey rondel just bc they can't be killed.

[winged prawn]

stop yellling dude, its not that serious.

[junior flicker]

bumping out of invis was needed, footsteps should be heard.... kind a the point of being sneaky is to actually sneak. that includes having to stay still so other players cant hear your footsteps. but either way, being able to one or two tap fully geared players while having nothing but a blue dagger isnt intended and is a massive problem.

[hazy pike]

"someone made a video" is not indicative of most players gameplay experience.
Also the moment that rubysilver fighter runs into any form of magic damage, he will turn into a naked fighter. The power of magic

In fact, fighter is in a horrible state since several weeks now.

[mental viper]

camping door one tapping is not a class please change something on rogues kids

[white sorrel]

I killed this poor fighter 6 days ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYlr3i32cs

[vivid pendant]

it would seem people with a full set of rubysilver take quite a few hits lol, doesn't make the class crazy in itself

[vestal matrix]

R silver is literally just posh purple items and I am a jealous man

[empty stratus]

I bring up the video bc it's actual proof of the concept in practice. I understand a wizard could do magic damage to said fighter, but said fighter can also one shot a wizard with a crossbow.

[vivid pendant]

real question is, where's the full orange sets + unique?!

[drowsy flicker]

Has anyone seen people drop high level items for low level friends for them to use in low level dungeons?

[ruby fox]

what property makes me pickaxe faster

[woven lodge]

GUYS I NEED A CRYSTAL BALL FOR 300G ASAP PLZZZZ

[zenith wadi]

Imagine how good the game would be without invisible traps that can literally one shot a full buffed cleric...... WTF... your game is good but it could be sop much better

[woven lodge]

mb all good

[grave mango]

is anybody elses game super grainy? I just launched it and the starting menu and class screens are super grainy

[hazy pike]

yeah, good luck trying to oneshot a wizard with a crossbow if the wizard has gear and uses proper perks

[frank sequoia]

no

[sonic maple]

what are the bugs

[shell viper]

Says the man probably running Judgement and what invisible traps are you talking about?

[zenith wadi]

cue the trolls... just wanted to aggrevate you:D bye

[dark sluice]

when is next wipe gonna be, also when is this game gonna be playable and not dead

[white sorrel]

People exploiting and duping items.

[formal moon]

I'm sure it happens, but they would have to escape a high lvl dungeon atleast once

[hard sierra]

"regular interaction speed" is what oversees mining, openning doors and chests, and other interactive actions (outside of shrines)

[wispy turret]

An easy fix for the invis BS could be magic items, a Helm a true sight would be lovely, a shame that any unique items are fucking locked behind HR hell bosses. would love for less powerful just magical utility items, cause I generally hate the Diablo Like loot system, just make the Helm of True Sight about as rare as a purple so its not everywhere but give shit the stats of a basic white so its not overpowered and core on every build.

[cosmic tendon]

no clue, but items from 4 nerfs ago and duping for the last 5 days isnt enough it seems

[empty stratus]

Don't need luck, I've done it bc fighter is easy. I just tank everything for my wizard and bard and we win.

[hard sierra]

Agility and Resourcefulness both boost that stat, up to a cap

[vivid pendant]

that's some weak shit...

[formal moon]

This is a terrible idea, would literally just delete rogue from being playable when they currently only dominate in a game mode anyone knew they were gonna dominate in. Solos

[hazy pike]

Lanterns exist. One option could be to have lantern reveal rogues at a certain distance, depending on the quality.

[frigid basin]

anyone else get purches failed when he try to buy the game?

[cosmic tendon]

so many lobbies just fall apart on launch, what happened?

[high nebula]

That's a nice idea actually

[indigo tundra]

just a bandage to the issue

[hazy pike]

And then everyone clapped. 👍

[winged prawn]

Stealth isnt the problem. Its stacking of perks, abilities and stats. onto unbalanced weapons.

[formal moon]

Ppl are still gonna rage at lantern, it's either going to be too good and reveal from across the room. Or be pointless because you take a bunch of hits with a lantern in your hand

[empty stratus]

More like got clapped. Bc fighter is still very good.

[vestal matrix]

how long does it usually take to get a response for a support ticket? Cause Ive been waiting a couple days

[burnt palm]

I have an idea for high roller that could help solve these “issues”.

Upon escaping a regular lobby you earn an item, a currency, that allows an entry into high roller. Some ideas for this off the top of my head are Poker Chips or Portal Scrolls. If you escape the normal inferno you get 2 or 3 of these to allow more geared people to earn them faster and create more competition in inferno.

These currency items would be consumed 1 at a time to enter a high roller lobby and this could have the added benefit of adding more merchant exchange options to trade for gold if you get an abundance of them or you’re beginning to run dangerously low on gold and need a quick infusion. Other options could be added of course.

I feel like this would keep a sense of cost or risk when entering a high roller lobby but at the same time not feel like it’s a burden for worse or less fortunate players whether that be skill gaps or play time.

Or maybe this is a bad idea but better to say it than not lol. Good luck out there everyone!

[hazy pike]

Yeah, you might be in the minority with that opinion or have not been playing fighter in quite a while. Go play fighter for two hours and tell me that the gameplay experience is worth the price of the game.

[winged prawn]

Do you just post this several times a day?

[formal moon]

This is also not the problem. The problem is ppl wanting balance in solos/duos in a game made for trios. If this channel is crying about teaming or juicers it's about rogues

[fair geode]

Guys so now crystal sword + ignite or dagger and crystalball + ignite is not good ?

[empty stratus]

Skill issue ig

[vivid pendant]

they won't listen

[odd shadow]

servers laging or me?

[winged prawn]

If the game is made for trios why are there solo and duo maps? Moving on, you arent a serious person.

[crystal onyx]

When does Druid come

[hazy pike]

Can't make a proper argument? Just write "skill issue"! It works on the internet!

[vivid pendant]

were you here to see how much people were literally BEGGING/CRYING for solo queue then duo queues...

[lavish hill]

will there be a wipe on friday?

[pulsar pebble]

well....technically the duos map is for "testing" they never said it was going to remain. And solo maps were against the original vision of the game but they did compromise and have decided to keep it in since.

[formal moon]

Because of compromise. The devs stated numerous times they didn't want solo maps. But timmies cry and got gc

[winged prawn]

They thought some things and said some things then did different things. Ok. (didnt mean to reply to you here @vivid pendant)

[formal moon]

The duos map was originally floor 1. However it was made quite poorly and very rushed and became a one off

[crystal onyx]

Bro can someone please tell me when Druid come out

[pulsar pebble]

lol. Your wrong to dismiss his point though. he is technically correct, it is difficult to balance solos, duos, and trio formats with 10 classes in the game and all the wide variety of builds/perks/weapons. The realistic outcome is somewhere, your going to have inbalance in order to keep something else in balance.

[odd shadow]

game feels pretty balanced right now. The people crying are having skill issues or growing pains. The solo/duo maps are great and we a good idea. I hope they expand to 5 man maps after they iron out a few more things

[formal moon]

Maybe Friday. Who knows otherwise

[vivid pendant]

they even said in the latest dev q&a that their team has not played enough GC to have input or decide on whether or not they want solo queue for GC moving forward
either way, people were literally crying for solo queue... then duo queue.... and the devs allowed it as a reaction from the shitty new players

[hazy pike]

I don't see the issue in solo or duo maps existing in a trio centric game. I just think that there should be some resemblance of balance. Right now the solo experience is mostly: You run or you die. Whoever fights loses.

The rest of the solo experience feels like rock paper scissors, with rogues mages and rangers being shotguns.

I am pretty sure that a balance for solos or duos can be achieved without compromising 3v3 balance though.

[random swan]

Has a wipe been mentioned with the next big patch??

[formal moon]

Which is why adding gc in the first place was a mistake and listening to the opinions of gc players is largely pointless

[pulsar pebble]

Druid wont come out friday, its still like 1-2 months out. Warlock might get their overhaul in fridays patch though. @winged prawn if you read the announcements, they already said they hadnt expected balance to be such a major issue for players during EA, and its already being addressed. so like....take a chill pill my guy. trust in the process, give them time before you get your feathers in a ruffle. Games been in EA for like a 5-6 weeks now. No hate or anything intended, i get the frustration, but perspective helps ease growing pains 😄

[winged prawn]

Indeed it is extremely difficult to balance a game with vastly different classes, perks and abilities.

[calm dew]

IS BArd,cleric,fighter good?

[formal moon]

That isn't even the issue. Its balancing team interactions vs solo. Literally impossible

[silent sequoia]

Streamers gonna kill this game whining til they get what "they want"

[pulsar pebble]

not enough DPS imo. We ran that combo, ended up swapping cleric for ranger or barb, did better overall

[vivid pendant]

what are they whining about?? someone was in here talking about watching tiktok streamers

[odd shadow]

they said they haven't played it enough to make any opinions yet, but they have played it. Imagine that the devs at work all teaming up and playing crypts while they are all at work together! probably why they haven't played goblins much.

[formal moon]

Doubtful, streamers have little or nothing to do with the game. Imp casuals/timmies have done more dmg

[white pumice]

rogue nerf

[coral summit]

Lmaoooooooo Rogue dumpstered, Ranger dodges another nerf

[flint crag]

Down with the rogues

[north nebula]

YEES ROGUE NERF.

[livid mountain]

Rogue nerfs

[untold wasp]

rip rouge

[subtle heart]

even i hate rogues but holy shit thats crazy

[cosmic tendon]

FREAKING GUTTED THEM!!!!! thank god

[delicate egret]

rip rouges rofl

[willow sonnet]

most games get ruined by streamers complaining

[calm dew]

What class best goes with a bard and a cleric?

[proper plume]

Yeah no one is playing rogues now gfg

[placid helm]

ROGUE NERF LETS GOOOO

[teal tundra]

GAME IS SAVED

[lethal trout]

oof rogue mains

[rich owl]

This is agreat day where one of the rats has been nerfed, god bless our overlords and we beg you thee to nerf the flying rat next

[mint ridge]

so they just murdered landmine rouge lol

[pure elm]

As a rogue plauer, I get this patch. It was needed

[remote yarrow]

Rip Weakpoint

[lucid quartz]

^ Thieving a real chad

[pulsar pebble]

oh hey look. big stat buffs on cleric. where are all the people yesturday saying clerics were just fine? LOL. IM goes and gives them 15 stat point improvements because no one is running cleric. Feelsvindicatedman

[tranquil lagoon]

This is what we need

[sand kindle]

rip rogue

[distant dock]

KEKW

[hazy pike]

Nah they ain't guttes. they still have their mobility. They just can't instagib people any more and have to hide in shadows when lurking, like every other class.

[gritty flume]

THERE IT IS BOOOOM

[winged prawn]

Wow, its like i was right or something

[compact mantle]

Maaan, the 5 points off Cleric gonna hurt my magic staff bonking. Shiiiit.

[cosmic tendon]

there are plenty of balls to run that are fine. they arent destroying an ENTIRE game mode just by existing.

[limpid violet]

HAHAHAHAHA

[boreal pelican]

rogues got clapped holy guacamole

[azure fable]

THIS GAME IS GOOD AGAIN, FUCK ROGUES LMFAOOOOO

[formal moon]

Rogue rework, no dj penalty. @willow sonnet Doubtful, most streamers just regurgitate what some other casual said

[honest bolt]

holy mother of nerfs batman, look at that rogue!

[snow nimbus]

rogues on suicide watch

[warm basin]

No ranger nerf. Yet we murder rogue which is already weaker than it has been for a long time. terrible dev balance choices every time...

[vivid pendant]

shouldn't that, then, tell you what their intentions might be.... if they haven't played it enough to have an opinion... what does being at work have anything to do with it??
could it be possible that the dev team introduced solo queue map to appease the crying masses?

[coral summit]

Where ranger nerfs???

[kindred elbow]

Thank fucking Sigmar this happened. Screw you rogue players. Also @pulsar pebble that's not buff to stats, just a redistribution. 5 less will, those 5 points went into other stats if I read correctly

[oak sparrow]

rip rogue bozos

[limpid mica]

Ah, was waiting for someone who didn't do the math. Look at the numbers and you can see they took away 5 points from the cleric's MAIN ABILITY to pepper it into others. It was a nerf.

[rustic escarp]

NO MORE ROGUES

[thick cradle]

dude the devs have 0 clue about there one game gg

[sick depot]

eat it, rogues

[austere geyser]

How will this be different really? They will just take hide mastery

[sand kindle]

yea why no longbow nerfs

[cold spire]

Copium haters will still be farmed by rogues

[broken forum]

🚬

[supple raft]

THB rogue is basically the easiest class to play, even if they are a bit fragile

[teal tundra]

sacrificing mobility/another dmg perk

[dusky shuttle]

finally the patch to make me uninstall LMFAO bozo ass devs

[static cipher]

all rogue rn are crying hard

[crude island]

Bro wtf

[lucid quartz]

@thick cradle Mad rogue, finally having to actually play the game

[proper ore]

Rise of the handcrossbow rogues

[civic fog]

ALL OF DISCORD RN https://i.imgur.com/2bE8jSZ.png

[vapid oyster]

lmao this game is hilarious, rogues shot again, rangers still unchanged for 12 patches

[formal moon]

Basically if you have a problem with rogue. You're just bad at the game lol

[wispy turret]

glad they shat on that horrible playstyle, now if only they can buff the looting and trap interactions, maybe once they add new traps they will, I want to see my double jump cracked out mobility rogues again

[subtle heart]

rogue dead.

[viscid schooner]

rogues in shambles rn

[livid mountain]

looooool

[distant dock]

That isn't the big EA patch though, thats still hitting tomorrow I assume

[cosmic tendon]

I believe it was confirmed as NOT in the next big patch.

[winged prawn]

You remember that time i was right and the devs nerfed the exact shit i pointed out?

[lofty ginkgo]

Oof, rogues gutted but rangers untouched?

[limber verge]

bad take, a naked rogue shouldnt be killing people so fast.

[tranquil perch]

Rogues. We allow you to CRY! Shower us in your tears!!! YEAAAAAS!!!

On a serious note - I don't think the lowering the dagger's damage will save the day, but that is the step in the right direction.

Additionally - love to see the tweaks on cleric. Feels good.

[pulsar pebble]

id still consider it a buff. str/agl and being able to open bloody doors faster are all key points of frustration as a cleric. 5 will off heals and judgement is easier to recover through gear imo

[midnight mantle]

“We’re sorry. We won’t wipe aggressively in the fact of tons of duoing glitches as we adamantly stated we would do until everything was all shored up. But we are sorry!”

[zenith patio]

ROGUE NERFS ARE FINALLY HERE ALL THE IDIOTS SAYING ROGUE IS FINE NOW KNOW THE DEVS AKLSO DISAGREE WITH YOU

[hazy pike]

I'd consider it to be a quality of life improvement. Interacting with the environment as a cleric is pain. Now it is going to be slightly less painfull.

[timber bridge]

DEVS PLEASE STOP MAINING RANGER THANK YOU

[loud creek]

Rangers still untouched, what the f

[limpid mica]

How so? Please, share your insight that is so professional and grand compared to the devs.

[thick cradle]

so true bad every bad player complains about rogue but rogue was in a okaay maybe to weak position now it will be unplayable

[warped raven]

the fact that rangers still haven't been touched is insane to me

[remote yarrow]

rogue was in a weak position? lmao

[wind flicker]

rogues arent going ot be in 3 mans anymore at all lol

[rich owl]

X

[hard thicket]

So glad rogues got gutted, WHY NO CHANGE TO RANGERS WTF

[gritty flume]

seven nerfs to rogue game balancing this based is unheard of

[winged prawn]

Its not so much rangers as it is the Longbow imo

[azure fable]

People saying rogue was in a weak position didn't know how to play rogue and it shows

[formal moon]

A mistake just like adding gc was

[silver escarp]

Rogue nerfs are hugely appreciated but we do still need longbow nerfs/ranger nerfs to bring them in line with other classes

[proper ore]

Rogues only op with perks, the weapon dmg was a nail in the coffin for lower levels, the stealth nerf is massive

[tranquil perch]

Ranger is fine. Mostly... Tripshot needs to be tweaked with longbows...

[pearl hornet]

rogues are gonna cry now

[vivid trail]

Now rogue is weak asf

[tall elm]

everyone was crying about rouges but it suddenly switches to ranger, keep smoking on that cope pack losers

[knotty wadi]

rogue was the only S+ class in solos and was S in duos, A tier in Trios, was broken asf and unskillful. 2 Shotting with a blue castillion isn't ok lmao

[vagrant dragon]

Rogues nerf well deserved

[sullen bronze]

rogue was weak? which game are you playing?

[odd shadow]

or could it be they are all friends so when they play their game for testing they choose to team??? I wonder. the map setup right now is great. I hope ruins gets a downstairs and goblin does not need one. I hope we expand to 5 man maps in the future. Idk if more than 5 man parties would be good or bad. Why are you mad about solo maps? if you dont like the map just dont play it.

[limpid mica]

Also.. maybe they didn't want to touch ranger yet as there should be a limit of how many changes there are in a patch?

[warped raven]

My barb got deleted by a green recurve with a triple shot. I went from 150hp to dead in 2 seconds, unable to dodge. I think rangers are far worse than you want to admit

[fresh basin]

Love seeing all the rogues cry when it's litteraly the class with the highest playrate

[timber bridge]

just the fact that they completely destroyed rogues with 0 ranger nerfs in the past month really just says enough, dfuk is this bullshit honestly lol

[thick girder]

ranger class needs a nerf next

[rancid oar]

L PATCH

[fierce briar]

moment of silence for rogue mains

[hushed verge]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-cracking-up-dead-laughing-hilarious-gif-21386877

[twin vale]

C tier in trio when you have to play with a mage to exist

[thick cradle]

iff ou have a brain then yes iff not you will complain about rogue

[remote yarrow]

As a rogue player i 100% agree with those nerfs. Maybe not the 40% to 25% weakpoint change

[buoyant yacht]

"unable to dodge" skill issue

[woeful jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[azure fable]

Found the rogue main

[formal moon]

They'll have to revert this. They just dumpstered the class lol

[tranquil perch]

I feel that. I don't think rangers are OP, to be honest, but that tripshot burst NEEDS to be addressed.

[broken forum]

thank FUCK

[hazy pike]

Same. doesn't look like it will change a lot. It all depends on how hard the general nerfs to daggers are imho.

[limpid mica]

Ah, such wonderful feedback! They'll be certain to use this.

[lofty ruin]

LOL!! FINALLY THEY NERFED IT

[vestal matrix]

no hes right, longbow + triple is bad but otherwis their not too bad. besides rogues are supposed to win against barbs close range (I am a barb so Im not biased)

[pulsar pebble]

ranger will get its due on friday im sure. lol. i expect it'll be more class change specific and less the sliding of sliders

[odd loom]

Holy crap based rogue nerfs praise the lord

[crude island]

These kinds of nerfs without any sort of redirection of playstyle is gross. Destroying their viability in their role defining hit and run/ambush combat is bad without giving them another identity.

[novel plover]

🫵 🇾 🇴 🇺 🇷 🇷 🇴 🇬 🇺 🇪 🇮 🇸 🇬 🇴 🇳 🇪 😂

[silver escarp]

you mean balanced to the level of every other class except Ranger lol

[muted verge]

I'm happy to see rogue nerf but there's some bad news bois. This will bring the hand crossbow with rupture meta back. I for one not looking foward to two rogues jumping around killing me from range then Los stealth then line up easy head shot.

[random swan]

Yes! we can all enjoy the game now! yay!

[warped raven]

Lets buff rangers instead then

[rancid oar]

@azure fable Wrong i play barb, just wanted ranger nerfs but they only listen to you shidders

[odd shadow]

idk about the losing the +50% attack on weakpoint. seems kinda overkill.

[remote yarrow]

Well it will remove the 100dmg initial hit from stealth 1 tapping anyone that not geared green or better with an 80g kris dagger

@odd shadow Yeah, weakpoint feels useless now, can better just use thrust for 15% pen at all times

[fickle crater]

Can I get a “hooooyyyeeahh” for the rogue nerfs

[hollow jolt]

RIP ROGUES

[foggy sorrel]

Lmaooooo Rogue got annihilated. Why the fuck does rogue need 2 perks for Hide now tho? Insane

[supple raft]

Too much hit, not enough run IMO

[forest oasis]

holy based rogue nerfs lol get shit on

[vivid pendant]

yea... you guys crying about rogues still gonna die to them all the same
@odd shadow i don't play GC, lol, see how majority of people complaining about the game are usually also GC only players

[indigo tundra]

here is a jar for all the rogue tears cry me a river

[winged prawn]

NO it doesnt at all. not when that is stacking with ambush and stat increases.

[low wigeon]

so why the buff to cleric?

[loud creek]

rangers untouched... what the actual F

[gray saffron]

I wish they would release the statistics for all classes, like player kills, survivals, boss kills, mob kills, average dmg per game, ect. so that the playerbase can see whats truly happening on a larger scale. It would help the community have more insight on the dev's decisions tbh.

[lofty ruin]

YEAH THEY FINALLY NERF THOSE FUCKERS!

[fleet anvil]

HAHAHA no more rogues jungle gym

[formal moon]

Rogue is terrible in 3s and now even weaker.

[muted verge]

Rogue wiz ranger new meta...going to be OP

[high nebula]

They didn't even buff the other play styles for rogue. Jesus iron mace is bad at balancing a game

[hazy pike]

they will probably roll some of the nerfs back anyways, like they did with wizard. gathering data is easier if one makes radical changes tho

[vestal matrix]

no nerf longbow + triple but otherwise leave them alone

[broken forum]

🚬 rest in piss knife boys

[analog vigil]

BUFF RANGERS

[atomic flame]

THE INTRO OF YMCA IS PLAYING

[sick tiger]

Rouge Stonks DOWN

[sand kindle]

so rangers are even better now cause their counter got nerfed

[tranquil perch]

Any burst damage nerfed is good for the game. Now I will wait for the tweaks to rangers tripshot and SMACC of cooruption on warlocks. After that - I will be happy.

[odd shadow]

ambush got nerfed though

[timber bridge]

ok but just the fact that they decided to quite literally delete a whole class from their game cause reddit was whining about it for a week is just stupid, people been crying for ranger nerfs forever and not a single change. For some reason they just don't want to touch ranger when everyone is asking for it but have no problem destroying other classes

[pulsar pebble]

Because no one plays them since the Bard was added. lol. Its technically a reshuffle of points, but i agree its an overall buff personally.

[remote yarrow]

atleast i can finally play some other classes without having to poke every corner of the room to avoid being 1shot

[warped raven]

no buff them, give them more speed more damage more free traps more free arrows

[regal ruin]

anything balance-like patch someday ???? kinda tiered of this trash game

[rich owl]

TBH everyone's counter was a rogue so yeah... Rangers still in the best spot

[hard thicket]

Every lobby is gonna have 50% rangers now

[winged prawn]

Good. They will do the same thing they did with Wizard. Big nerf, feel it out, small buff.

[molten copper]

RANGERS UNTOUCHED KEKW

[limpid mica]

This was a balance patch.. not everything is fixed in one move child.

[hollow fossil]

Bro rogues are still gonna two-tap rangers lol at least now the allies have a chance to get revenge on the rogue, but they are still gonna kill whoever they choose after invis

[pulsar galleon]

Incoming “rogue is still too strong” whining after people get clapped by a rogue who is good enough to adapt to the changes

[jagged stump]

All rogues gonna go play ranger after this patch

[odd shadow]

but yeah, still no ranger nerf lol, NERF longbow stagger effect ffs]

[hazy pike]

just jump on the ranger bandwagon. shoot enemy players with close to no counterplay and run if they ever try to push you, because ranger literally can't be pushed in its current state

[timber bridge]

every solo lobby is 70% rangers now, it's going to be so insanely annoying

[silk moat]

hell yea rogue nerfs

[rich owl]

Rats will remain rats... thyey will just learn how to fly now.

[rancid oar]

@limpid mica bro lobbies were 50% rogues 50% rangers, now the balanced the rogues, what about the rangers? get ready for 80% ranger lobbies

[remote yarrow]

not really, they lost like 40 dmg on the first hit. All you get now is 30% dmg bonus instead of 100% and less armour reduction

[forest oasis]

ranger still needs nerfed for sure but good lord the rogue nerf has me bout to buss

[proper ore]

@jagged stump yup, rerolling ranger

[regal ruin]

ahahahaha balance where ? :DDDD

[broken forum]

listen now that rogues are in the dirt i can be real, just abuse the character model and dance around at close range and any ranger is food. i can rest easy

[inland birch]

welcoming the rogue tears, but rangers wasnt touched whatsoever, while destroying the counter is hilarious.

[lime plinth]

🫵 🇾 🇴 🇺 🇷 🇷 🇴 🇬 🇺 🇪 🇮 🇸 🇬 🇴 🇳 🇪 😂

[livid olive]

yo rogues hold this L

[vivid pendant]

you ever seen them pink flying rats?!

[earnest scaffold]

If you think this changes the number of rogues that is delusional. But it will reduce the number of oneshots from ambush

[winged prawn]

Rangers arent very strong in GC

[atomic flame]

skill issue you just suck at the damn game bro

[half vessel]

HAHAHA ROGUES

[golden hatch]

i mean it's kinda true

[azure fable]

Im glad rogue got gutted, they can adjust it upwards from here and hopefully they adjust ranger too. Other classes feel perfectly fine atm

[limber badge]

Oh wow they nerfed rogue into the dirt. Rogue needed a nerf but damn they are going to be useless now lmao, which is probably a good thing for most of the people here

[crude island]

I have literally never had an issue killing a rogue. Any time I see one I know I can win that fight, and do. They cannot directly fight anyone in my experience. I don't even play them and it feels bad. I'd much rather they give them another reason to exist entirely, like utilizing debuffs, traps, and other forms of indirect combat that make them more creative and skillful.

[eager nebula]

This is absurd, rogue got killed with 0 replacement in playstyles, they move slower, they can't attack anymore, pickpocketing STILL breaks stealth, ALL dagger damage also reduced (absolutely crazy to do this AND nerf every skill that made them actually do damage in the first place)
Why not give them a perk to increase luck, like bard? Why is hide gutted to trash levels while keeping its massive cooldown? Why is double jump still nerfed, when agility is also reduced, meaning the speed advantage is now double punished? Why isn't smoke bomb buffed to instantly make a cloud of smoke, or caltrops made an item/buffed a lot? Its so insanely short sighted to kill EVERYTHING they have over time, because at the end of the day IF they nerfed all this damage stuff BUT also gave Rogues UTILITY to take instead, I don't think it would be as bad, you didn't see the complaints about ambush as much while pickpocket was usable or example, but now rogues just have nothing and are a waste of a slot, what the hell

[vagrant dragon]

So are Rogues!?! Oh wait WERE

[hazy pike]

Nah, I am playing a lot of ranger recently. and it is surprisingly fun. I just shoot people and the worst thing that can happen to me is that they run away from me, which is hilarious.

[lofty ruin]

ROGUE HIDEOUT HAS LOST 50% OF MARKET SHARE

[timber bridge]

shit this game just became call of duty basically thanks devs gj

[tall elm]

keep malding, taking a bath in your fat tears

[broken forum]

🚬

[inland birch]

nobody cares for goblins caves, this is a 3v3 games, ur solo game mode is there for your convenience.

[static cipher]

all rogue player are crying so hard boi

[wary ice]

doesn't break stealth, wym?

[silk moat]

it's almost like rogues have to play the game fairly now

[civic fog]

ALL THE POWERGAMERS DELETING CHARACTERS RN

[vivid pendant]

i don't get it... people still going to die to them all the same

[rich owl]

Oh you are a rogue main... Thanks god for the nerfs

[gritty stump]

rouges will be fine, just gotta switch up the perks now

[half vessel]

ROGUE IN THE DIRT WHERE THEY BELONG HAHAHAHA

[formal moon]

I mean rogue just lost 70% dmg. Weakpoint is now pointless to get

[winged prawn]

Except for everyone playing GC and Ruins. I see you arent a serious person. Moving on.

[hollow fossil]

I have seen plenty of rogues killing without ambush or weakpoint in 2-3 hits a lot of people (granted, the rogue is geared). A geared ranger doesn't have that much defence anyway so it won't change that much. The nerfs are more so that fighters/clerics dont get 2-tapped against rogues imo (a fighter is supposed to counter a rogue but boy this wast not the case even with gear lol)

[remote yarrow]

rogue is still fine, you dont get free 1 taps anymore like barb with achilles had

[golden hatch]

GUYS ITS ACTUALLY A BUFF! RESOURCEFULNESS MAKES MINING FASTER! ROGUE IS THE MINER CLASS NOW

[atomic flame]

same i been only ranger since 3 playtests if you actually find a good warrior or something you are dead bro

[proper ore]

Bleed and poison will be the way now

[sacred knoll]

RIP ROGUE

[teal river]

Lol rogue mains

[limpid mica]

I can tell this is wrong because there is no mention of cleric, which gets a fair bit of hate. Furthermore, they are likely waiting to see how these changes turn out before going after ranger. Compare the ranger to the now nerfed rogue for example, not the stronger version.

[timber bridge]

it's literally the most unviable class in the game now with a huge margin there is 0 reason to play a rogue, literally every class is better than rogue with a huge gap. Just fucking touch rangers once please ffs man

[gritty flume]

guys it's literally an emergency patch so people stop whining about rogues calm down they're gonna rebuff next patch just like they did with wizard. Just enjoy the rogue free games that will never ever happen again

[hazy pike]

Yeah, if you let the warrior run into you then you are dead.
Allowing the warrior to reach you is a skill issue tho

[remote yarrow]

granted the rogue is geared, well everyone has like 0 ttk if geared. But all you needed was an 80g kris dagger to dish out a 100+ hit from stealth

[mellow mortar]

I feel like the hide nerf may be a bit extreme but we will see
(I feel like rogues should be able to use stealth to escape from a dangerous situation and in theory 20sec seems really easy to wait out) otherwise, neat

[limber badge]

Man I can't believe how steep they went with the nerf for rogue to be honest, he's going to be absolutely terrible lol
If you thought rangers were in abundance now, just wait

[drifting hinge]

haha people whining like crazy, its just one of many patches holy

[loud creek]

rogue was doing too much damage for little cost aka daggers

Time for rangers next pls

[molten meadow]

Nerf are fine .. this is just a destructive one

[atomic flame]

sprint/positioning play a large factor but alright

[tranquil perch]

I can KIND OF understand the logic... Let me try. Ranger requires a lot of preparation and perfect execcution of the tripshot. Which is hard, since, if your target isn't trapped (remember about preparation), it can still easily dodge your burst window. Not even to mention, that you require a whole perk slot to have a decent melee option. On the contrary, rogues could (not anymore, F YOU!!!) just run at you in a straight line, proc bunch of damage perks with hide and 2-3 shot kill you with GRAY DAGGER. Once again, ranger to be a problem requires: longbow, trap, spear, perfect aim and execution. Rogues required what? W-key, hide and hold the left mouse button? Really?

[winged prawn]

I mean, half the ruins lobby is mostly double ranger double rogue teams so nothing really changes

[azure fable]

Exactly this, people complaining about nerfs are simply upset they don't get their OP class anymore

[warped inlet]

Reducing burst damage is good for the game. Fights are more fun when it's back and forth. 3 tap stilettoing a fighter was a bit much

[teal river]

Can’t wait for the long bow nerf

[warped raven]

buff rangers pls

[novel plover]

YOUR ROGUE IS GONEE AHAHAHA

[timber bridge]

nah it's pretty clear by now devs refuse to touch rangers for some weird reason

[hollow fossil]

So it won't change THAT much against those classes. It will change rogue's damage against plate users mostly

[quick linden]

Thank god rouges are nerfed now rangers plzzzzzzzz

[vapid oyster]

hope you're patient af lol

[hardy dove]

Most likely starting extreme to balance it out later. I remember they did something similar in the earlier playtests

[crystal ice]

they literally just nerfed every aspect of the class LMAO, rogue is unplayable

[vivid pendant]

the longbow nerf happened few pt's ago

[loud remnant]

WHAT DO THEY MEAN GOLDS BEEN DUPED. WIPE WIPE WIPE.

[tranquil perch]

GOOD.

[cursive shuttle]

I am a rogue main and even I HATED facing other rogues. I do think this nerf is a bit heavy handed. Give it a week and they will balance it out a bit better.

[molten meadow]

They did the same with bard. Really, go step by step guys ...

[remote yarrow]

Rogue will still be very playable, stop crying about no longer being able to 1 shot people out of stealth. Saying that as a rogue player

[feral reef]

Rogues are dead! They have been murdered! Thank God! Anyone who whines was abusing their kit and is just mad they cant cheese the game anymore!

[hazy pike]

I'd argue that most of the nerfs went into their movespeed and burst. They even relocated attributes into resourcefulness so their interaction speed will probably be aroun the same.

[proper ore]

Now i only need to stab a skelly 15 times to kill it

[wispy turret]

I hope they start buffing the looting, mobility and trap disabling parts, rogue is supposed to be an ambusher who also has utility in the dungeon and not an assassin.

[analog spire]

😂😂😂😂 🇷 🇴 🇬 🇺 🇪 😂 😂😂😂

[limber badge]

I primarily played rogue too but he had no other options beyond ambush with the recent changes. Now he's going to hit like a wet noodle lol, can't wait to try it out for myself and see how bad it is
They at least have buffed other options

[vivid pendant]

maybe it's ok to try different perks/playstyles? o_O

[random swan]

Glad rogues got gutted was too long they oppressed us!

[tranquil perch]

Also true. That's the early access experience.

[forest oasis]

rogue is still going to be playable you whiners, just not op asf

[glad cipher]

rogues werent even that bad tbh, why did rangers go untouched?

[molten meadow]

If you don't one shot someone out of stealth you get destroyed instantly after stealth, since they survivability has not changed. I'm a all rounder player

[patent niche]

Im so glad I rerolled into ranger like 8 patches ago, never touched

[crystal ice]

honestly the only nerf they shouldve done is on ambush and maybe a slight weakpoint nerf, everything else was just needless

[sullen bronze]

The rogues with actual skill are looking at the nerfs, agreeing with them and will still roll people. The other 80% of rogue players are in this chat complaining

[potent horizon]

they were and rangers could use touches to

[feral reef]

Amen! Praise the gods of the dungeon!

[cursive shuttle]

Rogue needs to be lifted in other areas. This takes away from the 1-2 hit rogues and allows other playstyles to shine a bit more.

Now rogues will have to play like rogues, not duelists.

[lime plinth]

🇾 🇺 🇲 🇲 🇾 🤤 🇷 🇴 🇬 🇺 🇪 🤤 🇹 🇪 🇦 🇷 🇸

[timber bridge]

I mean I get what you mean but even though most don't believe it, a lot of the times you have to think how you use ambush cause anyone with a semi sentient brain and some experience can hear/sense there is probably a rogue closeby. Just the fact that rangers can shoot everyone from across the room with no counter to it unless you have ranged yourself is bs. I just don't like ranged in this game in general it's a dumb cheese that shouldn't be there unless they add some form of bow sway or idk what to atleast make it somewhat skill based. Just being able to shoot from miles away is bs

[analog spire]

likely because the only issue with rangers is the longbow and combo of quickshot + 3shot

[snow rose]

Maybe lobbys wont be filled with naked rogues with a green dagger anymore

[loud creek]

weakpoint, ambush, and hide changes are healthy, what do you mean

Rogues had wayy to much bonus damage for just existing

[plucky jolt]

rogues will still 2-3shot most classes but fighters, if they bring a few +phys dmg pieces so calm your nuts rogue mains

[vagrant dragon]

I mean they can 2 tap people have a perma +2 for group. Camp all day long. Have the most useful perks. Their skill cooldowns are like 15 seconds except for hide.

[hazy pike]

Rangers will get the nerfbat eventually, but changing all the classes at once would have been a horrible move in regards to data gathering

[mint oasis]

BEST PATCH EVER

[rapid knot]

Love the rouge nerf

[livid mountain]

you can "sense" when a rogue is nearby???? LOL

[glad cipher]

yeah thats what im saying, nerf longbows and allat

[proper ore]

But its a 40sec cd xD

[inland birch]

this. now rangers need their burst adjusted and we have a game.

[vivid pendant]

are rogues going to use hand crossbows again? i personally enjoy smoke screen + caltrops set up

[karmic nexus]

so the only thing going for the class? lol

[compact mantle]

Fuck Rogues, me and my homies hate Rogues. Rest in hell.

[stoic grove]

Rogue mains in shambles rn lol

[prisma nimbus]

Can't wait to still 100-0 scrubs and hear them cry "ROGUES OP" hahaha

[cyan adder]

People acting like bows aren't easy as all to dodge.

[devout talon]

True but Ranger 3tapping with a near-hitscan grey longbow from 30m away is much less fair

[crystal ice]

fuck it boys, weakpoint is dead, we run rupture now

[potent horizon]

true but it also depends on the rangers skill

[sullen bronze]

you must be a ranger main with bad aim

[timber bridge]

if you actually pay attention and have game sense yes, it's very clear to hear most of the times as well like what

[hazy pike]

don'T worry, you can still pull half the map into a room with an enemy party and shut the door to trap the mobs with them. (which is one of the most fun playstyles)

[mint oasis]

if rogue still can 1-2 shot peoples with decent dagger only..then they just need another nerf

[wispy turret]

Honestly its just bows that need touches, fucking cant stand that they slow on hit without the perk, and that its all Longbow or go home. Traps are easy mode to deal with and if you force the ranger to come to you then half their power is out the window and they usually just disengage, of course they are stronger on ruins then crypt but a lot of that is just that the ruins favors mobility and range.

[thorn owl]

Nerfing burst overall is good, but they took the only aspects rogue had and tuned it down so it goes to the ground.
People are spamming rogue only because of the survival rate of all the classes, they have to rework it, not just tune down all the spells/stats/weapons.. it's ridiculous you already have to use 765 perks to improve 1 aspect of your class, they have to rework it to change its use overall.

Very bad balance patch.

[vagrant dragon]

Are you like not moving? Arrows from 30m are easy to dodge

[karmic echo]

they hard nerf and always rebuff so chill out my dnd peeps

[random swan]

The cleric changes are strange, I don’t know what they’re trying to do but seems like a nerf overall.

[karmic nexus]

i mean ig lol

[loud creek]

So? Unless you are getting into fights every minute (which you shouldn't be optimally) the CD doesnt matter

And you had hide for 60 seconds

[limber badge]

I don't see any universe where rogue with a 30% damage bonus dagger is 1-2 shotting anyone anymore

[rancid oar]

well everyone lets all make rangers, its the class they want you to play the most

[warped orchid]

Ranger really not nearly as OP as Rogue was

[weak umbra]

haha rogue bad now

[regal ruin]

PLEASE, ADDD REFUND TO THIS. I WANT MY MONEY BACK FOR THIS SHIT GAME. CALL ME BACK WHEN YOU'RE UP WITH A DECENT SOLUTION FOR A THING CALLED 'BALANCE'

[crystal ice]

complete agree, these devs have a very strange way of balancing

[rapid knot]

All my homies hate rouge

[edgy swift]

GRAB THE TORCHES FLIP THE TABLES WE GUNNA RIOT

[vivid pendant]

?? how... overall buff from increase in stats, cleric solo play should become more fun/viable for most imo

[potent horizon]

no

[undone hill]

,

[odd loom]

Rogue tears yummy

[vagrant dragon]

HAHAHA Rogue main in its purest form.

[hazy pike]

I like them. there will be definitely some quality of life improvements because of the higher interaction speed. The will nerfs do not seem significant enough of a downside in comparison imho

[winged prawn]

Skill issue just get good.

[proper ore]

Now ima play bard and stealth my whole team to jump yall

[sonic maple]

rouge mains cry

[timber bridge]

is just weird how they went literally 0-100 and completely nuked the class cause people on reddit were cyring about it for a week. People been crying about ranger for a month, no changes while this is a complete nuke after one week of whining

[twin shell]

lets gooooooo ranger time

[lofty ginkgo]

Rogues killing people in three hits from a dark corner is bad, but a ranger doing it from across the room is 100% ok

[loud creek]

Now I will say, buffing Cutthroat should be a thing for rogue

too high CD for minimal payoff other than a silence

[desert spire]

nahhh ithink ranger was well balance the only way ranger can fight is bow

[weak umbra]

haha rogue tears

[jovial island]

is the game wiping tomorrow/

[limber badge]

What's wild to me is no wipe.
Key dupes, gold dupes, economy in shambles, and we are just playing on with leaderboards like nothing happened.

[twilit dragon]

Devs are kings and queens. TY for listening to community so well.

[plucky jolt]

its funny to see the type of people maining rogues fits em perfect

[gusty matrix]

You know its... still... being developed. and if you were on the dev team then your words would matter/

[tardy patrol]

Guess we all playing ranger now boys

[rapid knot]

The only cleric nerf is will…so what? Lol

[rancid oar]

Amen brother, they just listen to streamers and reddit shidders

[warped inlet]

Definitely needs to be addressed. Ranger is weird tho, as their damage min and max is wild. A good ranger that triple headshots shits on basically everyone, but on the low end they'll miss all shots and do fuck all. Really not sure how they'll deal with it, as you should be rewarded for landing headshots, but it's a bit too bursty right now.

[thorny frost]

buffed

[karmic nexus]

if they are gonna remove our burst why the speed too. What does rogue even do anymore. Open chests afk whole game?

[vivid pendant]

it's possible that the whining/crying does not support the data they gather

[compact mantle]

It's not a nerf or a buff imo. It's an adjustment. Lowering their WILL means their magic damage, healing and buff duration on self is lower, but the increase in STR means more melee damage and HP so...Makes Cleric better at fighting in melee, less focused on buffing and heal spamming.

[feral wadi]

Making sure the issue is fixed before they wipe. Just incase they didnt fix it even though they thought they did and have to re re wipe which would annoy everybody

[odd loom]

Clerics need buffs buddy

[hearty valley]

As someone who does NOT abuse bugs or couldn't even tell you any tbh, why do the people who "abuse bugs" get banned? I sure hope its not a lifetime giving the fact they are just playing the game thats avaliable to them, if there's a bug in the system and they abuse it is that really the players fault...

[vagrant dragon]

Lol yeah go ahead play that 5 second song. If people dont notice then they are bad.

[forest oasis]

is the big patch monday gonna be a wipe too?

[supple raft]

Do you think it might be because they looked at the numbers and found that the rogue issue was legit vs numbers not supporting the ranger issue as well?

[proper ore]

They need votes on the discord cus i feel like 10% or less of thr playerbase is speaking for everyone

[winged prawn]

everyone already was.

[edgy swift]

UPVOTE THIS TO REMOVE CLASSES IN GENERAL

[hazy pike]

rogues is still the class that has the easiest ways to pick their fights, which is the most important aspect of the game

[fierce briar]

when the dev APOLOGIZES to the rest of the player base while gutting a class xDDD

[jovial island]

is the game being wiped tomorrow? ive ve been hearing that from people but not sure if its true

[loud creek]

Wipe incoming on the 26th, including patch notes boys

GET READY

https://darkanddarker.com/news/5

[warped orchid]

Cleric got rebalanced, not nerfed/buffed

[twilit dragon]

I love my fighter, richest character I have.

[crystal ice]

yeah its very weird, i dont know why people were suddenly complaining so much about the class, in the previous playtests and even when rogues had hand cross bow and pre nerf double jump people werent complaining this much

[devout talon]

They're also hands down the best class at PvE overall since the game's inception so there's that

[timber bridge]

atleast address it then and show the data or give an explanation. If they would explain or show data why they do not choose to nerf ranger although it's the biggest request I could support it, but they just leave people in the dark with 0 explanation or reasoning

[vivid pendant]

ehhhh, people still going to play clerics as heavy support, which is cool, BUT maybe they will be more inclined to go frontline for some action

[odd loom]

Hopefully every lobby won’t be 50-90% rogues after this based balance patch

[feral wadi]

yes, as per the EULA you click yes on when you start the game. You really should read those things.

[limber badge]

Now it's going to be 50-90% Ranger :^)

[fair marlin]

wipe hype

[proper ore]

wipe coming tuesday!!!!! Only inventories

[undone hill]

,,

[high nebula]

I guess they balance off of GC after all

[misty panther]

Ranger nerf is coming dont worry. Their rebalance will be mostly through item changes

[amber anvil]

rather have 10 rangers than 10 rogues tbh

[winged prawn]

my bard is richest i have, followed closely by fighter. I like most the classes tbh. Barb only one i dont enjoy

[regal ruin]

wipe this game off the face of the earth pls

[plain marsh]

Looks like ranger has no counter now lol

[twilit dragon]

Give it a day or two, everyone still gonna test it and see if theres any saving it, before their use dies down.

[timber bridge]

now it's 80% rangers enjoy, going to be so much better lol

[karmic nexus]

yeha but you now have zero tools to win them? weakpoint is straight up just useless. you are now slower due to agility nerf. daggers do less damage. ambush is also not worth running along with hide. What exactly is making is easier to have control over fights other than just never fighting at all?

[rapid knot]

Hmmm rouge player huh?

[vagrant dragon]

Sure they are a bit op with their heal + 3 shot + traps. I still prefer cleric to ranger tho even solo.

[rancid oar]

@amber anvil why? that logic is dumb. rather 10 ppl you cant close the gap on than 10 ppl that crumple in 2 hits?

[molten meadow]

Next patch : Arrows cost changed to 10 golden keys each

[steady fog]

praying rangers get huge buffs next major update

[odd loom]

Based they actually have counters

[jovial island]

^^ this

[dusky nova]

Ranger is the true problem, weakpoint was the only thing that needed to be nerfed

[west fox]

Wizard mains: First time?

[analog spire]

i cant believe im actually going to log in and enjoy playing the game for once in two weeks, holy shit

[stoic grove]

10000%

[winged prawn]

or maybe the class was just OP.

[quick halo]

Holy shit, rogue got destroyed

[high nebula]

I get it, you hate rogue but destroying everything about a class isn't the way to go

[amber anvil]

Im not saying it's good if it turns out to be that many rangers but at least Im not going to die in 1 sec to a blue dagger naked rogue coming out of invis

[devout talon]

Agreed. Maybe they'll have to change the way bows+arrows operate drastically and maybe even melee weapons too for the game to feel like there's more skill expression rather than certain classes countering each other. (Good Ranger players counter all other classes)

[timber bridge]

if they show the data yes, but there is no communication or data so who tf actually knows. It's just random nerfs and nukes without any explanation now so there's that

[twilit dragon]

Big, lmfao.

[vagrant dragon]

Rogue nerf well deserved after bard nerf.

[plain marsh]

If you have seen some of the data mining, they are adding a quiver into the game. I'm assuming it's coming with a ranger rework. Unfortunately the rogue meta was the squeaky wheel this time around

[thorny frost]

I dont understand why theres so much whining about rangers right now - like oh my god its an RANGER, it would be worthless if it was unable to KILL AT A DISTANCE - Most of you dorks crying about Ranger are probably solo players, and its clear why - who would want to play with crybabies like you? LOL Enjoy the caves Champ!

[weak umbra]

haha rogue bad

[lavish rover]

It’s ok now rangers can continue to have shitty positioning and abuse their shit class with 0 skill expression, WP IRONMACE. For sure not charging back my purchase!

[mint oasis]

bard is still op af

[rapid hinge]

I dislike rogues aswell but this is too much. Won’t see ANY rogues from now on

[nova mauve]

I know rogue sounds similar to ranger, maybe thats why they keep nerfing rogue instead

[eager olive]

I'm really glad to see that they've nerfed the rogue's alpha strike potential, but I'm kind of sad to see it implemented in this way.

It's yet another perk added to the rogues already super bloated perk list - with a full 5 perks now being directly related to one active ability (hide).

Weakpoint losing the damage increase on first strike was mandatory, but the armour decrease being reduced to just 25% on top of that makes it a bit of a dead skill - especially since it only applies for 3 seconds.

We don't know what the overall nerf to daggers is going to be, but it does seem like the patch leaves rogues with no real alternative options to.. literally just ratting.

I would like to see further changes that actually establish an identity for the rogue alongside the much needed nerf.

[fierce briar]

rip rogues

[gusty wedge]

good patch, thank yoiu

[rancid oar]

@amber anvil there are no blue dagger rogues in under 15, so that shows me you also play trade league which makes you a crutch player, no wonder rogues rolled you.

[limber verge]

the problem isnt the range, it's just the issue of their TTK being too low. A longbow does a bit too much damage.

[high nebula]

It wasn't op in trios, and like I said before they could've buff it's other play styles.

Can you actually give me a reason to even pick rogue now

[odd loom]

Cry babies, rangers get mogged by high pdr fighter and cleric, there is counter play unlike the shitty rogue meta

[thorn owl]

Nerfing burst overall is good, but they took the only aspects rogue had and tuned it down so it goes to the ground.
People are spamming rogue only because of the survival rate of all the classes, they have to rework it, not just tune down all the spells/stats/weapons.. it's ridiculous you already have to use 765 perks to improve 1 aspect of your class, they have to rework it to change its use overall.

Very bad balance patch, taking every aspect of the rogue and putting it as a perk really shows they don't know what to do with the class.

[tranquil perch]

I'd be OK with bow sway be added. Though, I am not sure if it will happen... So far it is the arrow drop only. Besides - that is the core idea of ranger, you know? To hit something at RANGE. I'd love to see this kind of change for battle system: melee - your attack is separated in wind up and actual swing, with wind up being able to be hold. Wind up is as slow as the current speed, but swongs are faster. It will create more depth to the fighting and make two handed weapons actually viable, while also balancing rogues a bit, since they wouldn't be able to just hold the attack button. As for ranged - bows can be hold fully drawn for only few seconds. With every second after that - your draw and damage decrease. Additionally - the perfect draw could be introduced for like 5-10% more damage if you lose the arrow in the right moment. Imagine the lockpicking mini-game with every draw. That will not only make the shooting engaging, but will also nerf the bows at the same time, since shooting arrows will require an actual skill to perform.

[amber anvil]

ah ok you're mentally impaired thanks for letting me know

[ember jetty]

nice patch i love to see rouge dead bro i love it

[supple raft]

They aren't just monkeys bashing at their keyboards. If you don't trust the devs to make the correct decisions based on the data they're gathering, why play the game at all? You don't need to see the data, it'll just make people whine harder.

[plain marsh]

Let me guess, you also want to remove trade and add in gear based matchmaking...

[fleet latch]

Poison, rupture, +1 All Rogue it is then boys...and invis potions + no more stealth, yall be alright

[warped raven]

big facts

[fresh trout]

ZERO RANGER NERFS AGAIN SOLID FUCKING DEV WORK LMAO

[limber badge]

My thoughts exactly.
They gave the rogue no buff to compensate for this massive reduction in damage

[timber bridge]

giving no explanation or clarification = less whining is just like what hu AAAAAAAAA

[urban pasture]

You new the game or just have an unconnected brain stem?

[hazy pike]

Realisticall the nerfs will ammount to what? one or two more hits with a dagger? The only thing that suffers is the oneshot techs. Their time to kill without that tech will probably just be slower so players can actually react when a rogue jumps them.

I still think that the advantage to pick their fights will be pretty strong, allbeit their dicision making got harder because of the stealth nerf.

[cold spire]

bro i just got reminded of a beautiful copy pasta let me find it real quick

[twilit dragon]

The answer is so much more simple than any of this, damage done over distance curve needs to fall off closer to the ranger. Fixed.

[rugged anchor]

rogue nerfs

[copper star]

cant wait to shank kids with the rogue and still have them complain xD

[rancid oar]

@urban pasture where'd i lose you buddy?

[potent horizon]

i think i can play high roller now without dying in 2 hits to a rogue

[plain marsh]

I found a blue dagger last night and was wiping teams tho lol. Do enough he'll runs and you will get them...

[thorny frost]

wrong Champ, im not about catering to you poors with your single daily escapes - as far as im concerned theres 15 Elite mobs roaming the map collecting loot for me

[vagrant dragon]

They nerfed dagger damage so its time for rogues to buy their starter weapon Rapier like wiz has to buy book

[stoic grove]

very well said

[shadow lotus]

Rogues mains out here crying because they have to switch the classes they were just shitting on for the last 3 weeks...

[subtle heart]

rapier was nerfed a few patches ago

[cold spire]

You f rogu's mother. You're nerfing when we say buff the rogu. I bought this f game for rogue and I usually play solo. Even a cleric with a green item can kill the rogu in one hit if he hits my head with a morningstar or similar weapon. The barbarians are already one-shot. Fighter hits 1-2 times. The archer does not approach him. I ask again why there is a rogue character in this game. I bought this game just to play rogue. Previously, I could only play one day on playtest 5. I wouldn't have bought your f game if I knew it was like this. Nexon is right to sue you because you can't get a diqck right. Delete the doublejump, I don't care, delete the hand crossbow, I don't care, but instead of constantly nerfing the rogue, delete it directly from the game

[rancid oar]

@plain marsh you got lucky, as you said. still missing my whole point but its discord XD

[timber bridge]

they massacred my boy holy fuck there's nothing left it's all in shambles destroyed all for nothing all for the reddit neckbeards, the reddit neckbeard massacred my boy

[prisma nimbus]

WIPE THE SERVERS!!

[steady fog]

the big rogue nerfs were most likely because of some duping exploit involving rogues. After wipe they will prob revert some of the nerfs so it is playable again

[modern tiger]

just killed 2 rouges pretty easy life is good stay mad

[hazy pike]

Be realistic here m8. They always overnerf and then buff again once the data rolls in. Only time will tell. I just think that rogue should not be funneled into oneshot burst builds and the nerfs might make players explore more options. Rogue as a class has a lot of great perks.
It's horrible that the burst damage build was so powerful that all of their other playstyles got completely outclassed by the fotm easymode setup

[candid sable]

WAAAH I cant 1 shot everything from stealth naked with a green rondel WAAAAH

[lofty arch]

If you're heavily nerfing rogue damage why not at least let rogues keep longer stealth? Why not make rogues a more stealthy class instead of one shot build? Seems like it would be way more healthy

[copper star]

that was before the buff which proves rogues are marshmellows xD

[odd loom]

You f rogu's mother. You're nerfing when we say buff the rogu. I bought this f game for rogue and I usually play solo. Even a cleric with a green item can kill the rogu in one hit if he hits my head with a morningstar or similar weapon. The barbarians are already one-shot. Fighter hits 1-2 times. The archer does not approach him. I ask again why there is a rogue character in this game. I bought this game just to play rogue. Previously, I could only play one day on playtest 5. I wouldn't have bought your f game if I knew it was like this. Nexon is right to sue you because you can't get a diqck right. Delete the doublejump, I don't care, delete the hand crossbow, I don't care, but instead of constantly nerfing the rogue, delete it directly from the game

[plain marsh]

Longbow slow is too oppressive. The main issue with ranger is the slow on hit. It's going to be insanely broken now that rogues had their BS nerfed

[karmic nexus]

Well 1-2 more hits is a pretty big deal. Less tools to get those hits in now. Class is still one shot all purples by grey barb. Not really seeing any world were rogue isnt dogshit useless until next patch where they compensate buff some other playstyle.

[winged prawn]

They going to do the same thing they did with wizard. Nerf big, buff small after a week of play. I do look forward to all the rogues complaining though. now i get to say "gitgud" and "skill issue" repeatedly instead of having an actual conversation about the state of balance

[cold spire]

[high nebula]

Great perks like what?

[fossil igloo]

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[sharp hatch]

damn they destroyed the rogue class thats garbage now

[supple raft]

The explanation is that rogues have disproportionately high pick and win rates vs other classes. Or are you assuming they hit the big red community crybaby button for fun?

[vagrant dragon]

You got a point. We gotta delete rogue. Because they were so weak all the time thats why they were dominating gc

[thorny frost]

good thing i play divine punch cleric, i just got buffed

[warped inlet]

Bow draw thing is like, exactly the idea I had. Would make them feel more unique and add a bit of skill expression

[inland birch]

hoping u find ur mediaction soon

[potent horizon]

little bro doesnt know about the bard and wizard 17 nerfs

[oblique hound]

wait when is the next wipe?

[hazy pike]

Creep to position properly, pickpocket playstyles are a thing. So is high mobility crossbow bleed shenanigans.

[plain marsh]

Rangers will still absolutely own you unfortunately if they are halfway decent.

[timber bridge]

the win rate is 0 now, if you lose to a rogue you are objectively terrible at teh game now

[marble beacon]

LONG LIVE KING RANGER

[limber badge]

If GC players thought rangers were bad now, their direct counter rogue being gutted is going to only invite more. I will pray for you.

[strange bay]

rogue was good everywhere with literally no gear, imagine queuing and seeing 9 other rogues

[steady fog]

why ? its the weakest class

[winged prawn]

Im for the dmg nerfs to rogue but im not sure what the invis nerf accomplishes personally. If they move the invis to 20 seconds, i think rogues should be able to move while stealthed more than 10 steps.

[tranquil perch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement
Then vote this bad boi up, so we can see the change someday.

[dark glacier]

what is base resourcefulness again?

[rigid raft]

dumb ass update atleast give weakpoint a buff to armor reductions, you cant kill plate anymore, and still die 1 hit

[cold spire]

i really hope ppl that answer me realize this is a copy pasta otherwise yikes

[quiet blaze]

welcome to range and ranger - the time till the next patch will be the worst since ever.

[copper star]

if you guys lose to a rogue now just delete the game and go back to tarkov

[fleet latch]

maybe that shouldnt be a perk , it should just be automatic, still 10 steps tho

[thorny frost]

Nah Champ thats where our paths diverge , im built differently - Stick to your Goblin Caves Champ

[warped raven]

Time to just make a ranger baby

[plain marsh]

Are you trolling or are you serious? Ranger is objectively the strongest class in the game now that their direct counter got nerfed

[timber bridge]

I'm legit starting to think they just decided to nuke it for now cause they were annoyed so many people played it, that's about it

[inland birch]

if u litterally hit no single shot it might just be the weakest class

[high nebula]

Yeah you don't play rogue I can tell. The just nerfed hide significantly, why would you even bring creep.

No pickpocket play style was destroyed when you get bumped out of stealth.

High mobility got deleted when double jump got nerfed

And dot build is garbage because poison weapon is garbage because of rogue's shit will

[hazy pike]

Yeah, queueing solo and seeing 9/18 players being rogues was very fun

[sharp hatch]

agree completely you should be able to move til its gone

[warped inlet]

I think I would also like to see the damage slow be reduced for ranged weapons. A lot of the problem with ranger is how hard it is to reach them.

[steady fog]

buffed barbarians together with wizards destroy whole teams. Rangers are easily countered and runned down

[normal bloom]

hoping rangers are next

[reef tangle]

i'm a ranger main with 2k hours and i agree that bows and traps should be removed from the class

[silk moat]

rogues malding guz the game isnt rogue and roguer

[drowsy mango]

lately these changes don't make any sense. these rogue nerfs are too much and don't solve the problem, it was the same with the wizard nerfs. wizard does too much DAMAGE and that's the problem

why is divine strike and holy strike so bad on cleric when the lategame meta revolves around rushing people down? and you're gonna decrease their will now too?

[cold reef]

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[steady valve]

Damnnnnn they actually gutted rogues lol

[winged prawn]

Oh come on man, the class was busted. as is ranger. Im sure Rogue will get a small buff after a week of play like Wizard did. @fleet latch Yeah not sure how to do it but i dont htink a 40 second nerf to invisaccomplishes anything

[marble beacon]

but wait you guys kept justifying the rogue insane damage by saying paper rock scissors right? so why should they have ever been able to kill plate?

[tranquil perch]

That also can happen, but I'd love to see the damage fall off at the END of the arrow's flight, while also decreasing that distance if you overheld your draw. Fixed.

[austere shale]

with rogue losing agility and gaining resourcefulness could we swap that to strength? they will do so little dmg now with out perks and now cant win against barb or fighter? and the rogue has so many useless perks and some skills. hide mastery feels useless cause there are so many other better options. i would be fine with the tumble being a perk rather than a skill and removing double jump for that reason. for a skill would be a parry or block with the rapier gives it a better skill shot and a better defense for rogue that he does not have at all. and i think there should be more headshot reduction on items except on shadow mask just my thoughts thanks for reading

[novel garden]

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[devout talon]

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[limber badge]

Pretty damn brutally, needed a nerf but this is an execution

[warped raven]

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[plain marsh]

A geared ranger will wipe the floor with anything trying to push them. 35% slow on hit with a longbow that can kill a barb with a triple shot

[cold spire]

🤟 🤙

[thorny frost]

I dont understand why theres so much whining about rangers right now - like oh my god its an RANGER, it would be worthless if it was unable to KILL AT A DISTANCE - Most of you dorks crying about Ranger are probably solo players, and its clear why - who would want to play with crybabies like you? LOL Enjoy the caves Champ!

[dawn elk]

lmao im gobsmacked at least guve us a poison buff

[timber bridge]

bro these nerfs are ridiculous no matter how 'busted' you think it was this is just ridiculous hahaha they could have jsut deleted rogue from the game

[winter goblet]

-35% movespeed for 1.5s
-30% movespeed for 2s

One of those is a 24s cooldown, the other is how much you're slowed every time you get hit by a longbow

[kind halo]

I cannot believe rangers dodged a triple shot nerf its insane (ranger main btw)

[steady valve]

Holy strike is amazing, you just need to know when to use it and when not to use it

[marble beacon]

rogue has the most useful perks in the game. play some other classes

[cold remnant]

Rougue Nerf, i'm sad 🎉 🎉

[inland birch]

a game where 50% of players pick a single class (unless the game has 2 classes) is in a unhealthy state either way, rangers will take over what rogues left behind and will likely be just as oppressive

[steady fog]

Sure if they are sitting in one place

[red holly]

Suck it rogues get good

[chilly torrent]

the Great Rogue Migration starts now, all of them going to play as ranger

[unkempt crescent]

I dont understand why theres so much whining about rogues right now - like oh my god its an ROGUE, it would be worthless if it was unable to KILL QUICKLY - Most of you dorks crying about Rogue are probably solo players, and its clear why - who would want to play with crybabies like you? LOL Enjoy the caves Champ!

[rancid oar]

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[strange bay]

everyone said wizard was dead with all those nerfs, still very good

[devout talon]

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[jovial island]

is the game down right now

[sharp hatch]

all the rogue mains are shaking in there lightfoot boots right now! hahaha

[winged prawn]

Thats the only way i see a 20 second invis being applicable in most situations. @timber bridge Im perfectly fine with the execution of rogues. The majority of GC, Ruins, HR maps are Rogues and Rangers. Thats only excuse i need for the nerfs honestly

[restive breach]

Good, rangers actually have counterplays unlike rogue

[silk moat]

🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ and 🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🇪 🇷

[plain marsh]

I've been making quite a living wiping the floor with people as a ranger before the rogue nerf. It's only going to be easier now... can't wait for reality to hit you

@steady fog I don't think you have played the game long enough to understand the problem if that is your take little timmy

[timber bridge]

maybe make the other classes better than instead of just deleting the most picked class idk??

[drowsy mango]

that's a load of shit man, holy strike does like 30 damage. you can't do nothing with it even with a lot of knowledge in this meta, i know this song and dance

[marble beacon]

you have no idea what you are talking about. get some perspective

[deft crown]

Im quitting the game to be fair as its clear as daylight that those guys have no fkin clue how to balance a game

[warped raven]

Ranger counter play: oops I missed my triple shot, time to put up my bow and run until my cooldowns are up loooooool

[kind halo]

We need triple shot nerf STAT

[boreal harbor]

Rogue is so ultra dead wtf

[vivid trail]

Judgement does half my HP and there is no counter except running away

[cold reef]

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[chilly torrent]

thats true

[unkempt crescent]

@marble beacon you have no idea what you are talking about. get some perspective

[hazy pike]

Creep helps you to reposition. Stealth duration nerfs just make the decision making process of when to stealth more important.

Bumping into stealthed rogues removing the hide was a bugfix.

High mobility is still a thing because of their movespeed and interaction speed. It is still alive and well.

I never was talking about poison weapon but rather rupture being a skill that can be applied with a hand crossbow or even a bloody torch toss.

[rancid oar]

@restive breach Rogue was the only thing that countered ranger, idk what you're on but i hope i see you on my new ranger 😄 ez loot

[thorny frost]

My original was about Rogue but a word got banned when the announced the patch and i have no idea what word it was

[patent niche]

RIP rogues 😄

[amber turtle]

the 21/09 incident

[severe arch]

i got one last taste of BUSTED rouges 2 shotting me as a fighter 1 minute ago lmao. im sure it will still be a problem after this hotfix

[marble beacon]

good rogues are still going to be insanely good. remember how everyone kept saying how wizards are soooo good? but nobody could actually pull it off unless you are really good. hopefully its like that

[woven void]

Hahahah fuck all you Rogues!

[sharp hatch]

goodbye

[dry compass]

F Rogue

[pale portal]

THANK GOD

[limber badge]

So I guess Rupture is probably the meta now seeing as they made weakpoint useless?

[inland birch]

no. ive mained rogue every playtest and even with leggo daggers u couldnt oneshot anyone but a wizards. the best rogue style is strategic engage and disengage now that we have double jump. have poison perk and knowing when to go in an out as well as needing to be good at dodging melee attacks is where rogues should be, not oneshotting 70% of the playerbase.

[kind halo]

50% of the player base sad rn that a rogue cant frontline

[fringe kraken]

think they removed rupture proc on torches

[strange bay]

@rancid oar yeah but what counters rogue? literally nothing not even fighters, only barbs have a small chance at winning

[hallow violet]

the good rogues will play a class that isnt dogsh*t

[silk moat]

🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🅰️ 🇳 🇩 🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🇪 🇷

[hazy pike]

Did they? God bless. Handcrossbows are still a thing tho if perked for it, right?

[timber bridge]

the pick rates are a problem which I fully agree with but idk just gutting it feels like a bad solution that's too easy. I am malding and crying and shaking hard as a rogue main

[unkempt crescent]

@inland birch im just shit posting plz

[thorny frost]

Champ , everyone dies to Rangers - Everyone dies to every class , thats the game . I'm genuinly not worried about it - nothing has changed for me and the boys , we didnt run rogue xD

[foggy meteor]

I see a lot of salty rogues and it is beautiful

[marble beacon]

good. hopefully more of your kind leave as well. we need a pool of people that actually care about the game not baby cries that talk about leaving when their favorite class gets balanced.

[cursive solstice]

aaaaayyyy finally rougeless maps

[jovial island]

ARE SERVERS DOWN

[steady valve]

It doesn’t do insane dmg but most classes have around 90 hp anyway, and a fighter has negative MR so it essentially 3-4 shots every class except Barb. It’s not meant to be something you run at people and cast. You either sneak up and cast it or use it in doorways to create pressure so you can then rush

[sharp hatch]

facts

[signal brook]

rogue being nerfed since 1st beta, just bury him

[cold spire]

i see u are trying hard with this. Move the extra faces between the words

[forest oasis]

holy rogues crying in their beer right now LMAO

[unreal obsidian]

I wish someone WOULD play rogue in a couple of hours lol

[hearty dust]

Goodbye rogue players lol

[broken dome]

What do you guys think of Hide bahving like an 'active camoflage' ? Like a translucent effect that encourages players to actually find places to blend in with their surroundings instead of just being straight up invisible in a hallway? Then you could allow rogues to move while hiding and play around with light sources more. It works well for stealth characters in other games. Thoughts???

[severe arch]

there will never be enough rouge nerfs

[winged prawn]

IM disappointed ag about the invis nerf. Im in the camp that only rogues should be able to invis though. Potions, wizards, bards should all have invis removed

[woven void]

I hope all the Rogues uninstalled and have quit the game!!!

[brazen holly]

Not a rogue player (in fact I hate rogues with a passion due to alpha strike thing) but I think the nerf was too hard. The devs just took the alpha strike capabilities away. The main issue was that rogues could just use the alpha strike ability mid fight and there was no counter. They should've just added some caveats to counter it. Like making the extra damage not proc in until the rogue had been hiding for at least 10 seconds and that they don't get the +50% damage if they get pulled out stealth by another player.

[strong salmon]

I think the nerf is to kmuch but what was needed

[silk moat]

🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🅰️ 🇳 🇩 🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🇪 🇷

[sullen bronze]

goodbye terrible rogue players*

[austere shale]

i have! i have a character for every class and have been playing since one of the first public playtests! some are very good but alot of them feel useless like last patch if u arnt running ambush stealth/shadw runner and daggermastery/jokester u were trolling the rest arenot good at all for pve pvp

[drowsy mango]

dude... have you ever lpayed in a lobby where people are actually trying to kill you? lol.

[jaunty shell]

put more patch during the playing session of EUW like 18-22h SMARTBOYS

[hot pagoda]

I main wiz who just got gutted previously but this one is on another level of being gutted they don't to be nerf like this man let us enjoy the game let other players THINK how to counter every class! like for wizard is just building up magic resist and for the rogues is just simple light orb skill from wizard and tracking thing from ranger

[trail egret]

literally everybody in the game is celebrating at these changes except for rogue players. should let you know how delusional rogue players can be about their own class. have never seen a larger group of people desperately trying to argue that their class is underpowered and needs buffs when they're one of the most prevalent and successful classes in every gameplay metric possible

[foggy meteor]

They pretty much deleted the entire class and I’m all for it 😄

[patent niche]

Genuinely though what good is rogue anymore? seems like they're completely unviable after the invis fix was implemented killing Pickpocket. Now with even shorter invis, Pickpocket is actually completely dead, so how is a rogue supposed to actually be played?

[timber bridge]

DUDES can we start a gofundme to send to the devs so they finally nerf rangers? Maybe some money will finally do the trick

[rotund sequoia]

rogue still oP can open doors even faster

[hazy pike]

I think that would be great if it interacted with light sources, as in the closer to a light source the more transparent the sillhouette

[high nebula]

No hide is dead your trying to justify a massive blow to the ability.

What's the point in being able to move quickly when you can't even kill, so I just grab loot and run, you can't double jump because it slows you down.

Your not gonna put range and damage another class with the hand crossbow, that's why people combined it with double jump to get in hard to hit places.

There's a reason why no one plays the other rogue builds anymore

[marble beacon]

skill issues

[sharp hatch]

for good reason they have 1-2 shots campabilities with fast stabbing daggers

[unreal obsidian]

Rogues are nnow transferring all that gold over to their cleric lol

[signal brook]

the rogue nerf is the result of baby crying people who got killed with low hp, now they say rogues are crying, bruh

[forest tapir]

guys are there gonna pre nerf daggers from this patch? got a trade on a blue kris dagger a lil too fast..

[peak crypt]

Even better, half the rogues i run into tonight probably wont have read the patch notes lmao

[restive breach]

I doubt u have the aim to play that class coming from rogue

[wise sorrel]

Rogue is dead. Worst patch they’ve done since the wizard patch

[slender flume]

Worst class in the game got nerfed lmao

[kind halo]

2 stab andy

[hearty dust]

True! When I play rogue, I never utilized what was nerfed today. Aside from the dagger dmg nerfs (which I think is fair to test out), this shouldn't hurt good rogues.

[pale portal]

Does this mean this game wont be 65% rogues now?!!!!!!

[frank crown]

ITS RANGER TIME

[clear sun]

the point of a rogue is fast damage and no defense people that cry about dieing to a rogue are just sad they suck at the game

[silk moat]

🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🅰️ 🇳 🇩 🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🇪 🇷 is game down right now?

[barren obsidian]

So like this fucking company just gonna make rogues the tickler class. What the fuck who is the man that thought this was a good idea. "Ohhh lets just do this but you know what we will give them 5 extra Resourcefullness. Yea yea thats a great idea Tom."

[limber badge]

We Ranger now

[severe arch]

i literally got 2 shot in the last match before servers went down as a fighter by a rouge. 1.5 sec i was gone

[strong salmon]

rogues were high skill but insanely good

[timber bridge]

ye I'm probably switching class until they make rogue viable again, I'm not playing it in this dogshit state lol

[marble beacon]

if you can't make the new rogue work you probably just suck. skill issues

[snow jewel]

@pulsar ocean how are u ? 😄

[broken dome]

Now this guy is making a lot of sense. I LOVE IT. I had also been thinking how items 'shine' should be affected by light sources. Its silly how its easier to loot items in the dark because the shine appears regardless. Should be the other way around

[foggy grail]

AMBUSH ROGUE GUTTED PRAISE THE LINE

[heady current]

Rogue got 9 nerfs? Ranger got untouched??? Cleric got buffed? Kekw Dw boys we still going to find a way on rogue and make you cry for more nerds

[teal river]

DO IT AGANE!

[delicate solar]

Hide Mastery and Pickpocket should be merged. Bumping unmask with it made less sensitive. Like a timeout in range.

[sharp hatch]

yeah they have a lot of damage stacks if used properly

[foggy meteor]

Rogue players sad they have to try now

[signal brook]

u just looking for a excuse to insult someone. mental issues

[thorn nimbus]

A naked rogue with a blue castillon dagger did 100+dmg in one hit, close to 160-170 with a few weapon damage pieces.

[unreal obsidian]

@signal brook top comment!!

[subtle heart]

https://www.darkanddarker.com/news/5

[radiant rose]

The game is finally playable again. Thank you Ironmace!

[cold reef]

⬛ 🇷 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪
🏹 🥻 🫳 &
⬛ 🩰 🇷 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇷

[random echo]

CLASS WAR ENGAGE!!!!

[blazing stirrup]

u ass

[vivid pendant]

that's what im saying, people dying to rogues still gonna die to them all the same

[amber inlet]

People crying now because they have to actually learn to play the game

[teal jolt]

why do people complain about rogues having high damage and low hp aint that the rogues main thing? yall cry about anything you guys cant kill.

[broken summit]

bye bye to all rogue mains, class is gonna be unplayable now

[peak crypt]

Whatever bro. There was 0 counterplay to stepping on a rogue landmine. Rogue can still dish out tons of dmg, just not a 3 shot menace.

[wise sorrel]

Pickpocket is a perk xD Pickpocket is a perk xD Pickpocket is a perk xD Pickpocket is a perk xD

[silk moat]

🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🅰️ 🇳 🇩 🇧 🅰️ 🇷 🅱️ 🇪 🇷 maintenance wtf am i supposed to do with my life

[thorny frost]

I dont understand why theres so much whining about rangers right now - like oh my god its an RANGER, it would be worthless if it was unable to KILL AT A DISTANCE - Most of you dorks crying about Ranger are probably solo players, and its clear why - who would want to play with crybabies like you?

LOL Stick to the caves Champ, Crypt isnt for you!

[kind halo]

I hope the nerf rogue again

[severe arch]

rangers are annoying af but my god pls bring more rouge nerfs. wipe them off the surface

[misty tree]

How about, wipe the game, when changing stats because the game state is everyone has good gear so it doesn’t matter, it is inflated, these changes will show no real impact on gameplay in the current state. Why are these developers so fucking dumb?

[vale flint]

"We are sorry to announce that the Early Access Patch #1 that was planned for this week will be delayed until Tuesday September 26, 2023. ... Please note that the update will also introduce sweeping balance changes that will affect almost every class, weapon, and item in the game."

[deft crown]

ur just bad#

[rancid oar]

@restive breach you've gotta be kidding me, you know you gotta aim at the head while running around a barb and dodging his attacks, what do you do on ranger? miss your triple and put your bow away and run til you can try again XD, pathetic

[vagrant furnace]

Rekt rogues

[heady current]

You are going to die to a rogue and have 0 excuses. Get ready to get skill diffed again

[vague narwhal]

is frankfurt down for any one else?

[marsh solar]

Meanwhile 50+ damage longbows are completely fine btw

[teal river]

IRROONNNMACE!

[fading pasture]

So you guys still continue to nerf rogue and do nothing for rangers? Lmfao

[errant steeple]

To all the braindead rogue sympathizers: I TOLD YOU SO

[hallow temple]

next patch notes : Rogue removed from game

[ionic ridge]

yea high dmg and low hp is ok, but way to much high dmg is not okey, u can 2 everything but barbs and u think its ok?

[fair marlin]

but you gotta aim....

[long leaf]

Thank god rogues have been nerfed. Most obnoxious class in the game. Rangers next!

[winged prawn]

You remember that time i said the problem was everything stacking and so they nerfed everything that stacks? Feelsgoodman

[broken dome]

Idk if cleric go buffed. I think they just marginally raised the melee stats because judgement got nerfed again with the removal of 5 more will.

[foggy grail]

says the rogue main that sits in door ways and 1 shot people with no counter play

[hazy pike]

The reason why no one plays the other rogue builds any more is because they are objectively weaker. Hard to beat "stab stab dead in 0.5 seconds".

My point is that this patch is probably a way for the devs to gather data so they can adjust the balance accordingly and by no way the final result of their balancing efforts.
Just give it time man.

Every class will eventually have a harder time and a better time, and rogues have been livin the good life for quite a while now. It's time for them to chill for a few days/weeks.

[blazing stirrup]

not kidding i run naked warlock on ruins punching rogues to death so i dont really care

[amber turtle]

you gotta aim for regular attacks too

[high nebula]

Lmfao with what damage, they're still in one shot range from any class

[grand dew]

truth is, solo ranger is actually in a really good place. Goblin caves only has a few spots where ranger can really take advantage of the space.

Easy to catch

[wheat ferry]

What was the exploit they're talking about? Just gold duping or something else?

[peak crypt]

Mmm.. got any more salt for me?

[sharp hatch]

lmao you're just mad

[teal jolt]

i love it how most the people that are happy about this nerf are most likely still gonna get shit on by rogues bc its just a skill issue

[gleaming mantle]

I think ranger bows will get dmg nerf and slow on hit nerf. That's next.

[random echo]

ALL ROUGE PLAYERS UNITE!!!!! ROUGES VS EVERY OTHER CLASS ROUGES UNITE!!!!

[hot pagoda]

time to change the game name now to Barb and Archer

[timber verge]

LOL Rogues, get rekt finnaly.

[hardy jolt]

is maintenance still going on?

[woven void]

🇫 🇺 🇷 🅾️ 🇬 🇺 🇪 🇸 🇹 ℹ️ 🇲 🇪 🇹 🇴 🇺 🇳 🇮 🇳 🇸 🇹 🇦 🇱 🇱

[west monolith]

Lets nerf everything and fight each other with foam swords

[unreal obsidian]

@random echo i'm down for this

[marble beacon]

I'll actually play my rogue now with less guilt. Having a full stash and easily killing people 2v1 gets stale pretty fast. All the other classes felt better

[kind halo]

I agree triple shot needs the chopping block BURST DAMAGE BAD

[thorn owl]

Nerfing burst overall is good, but they took the only aspects rogue had and tuned it down so it goes to the ground.
People are spamming rogue only because of the survival rate of all the classes, they have to rework it, not just tune down all the spells/stats/weapons.. it's ridiculous you already have to use 765 perks to improve 1 aspect of your class, they have to rework it to change its use overall.

Very bad balance patch, taking every aspect of the rogue and putting it as a perk really shows they don't know what to do with the class.

[vivid trail]

WIPE ON TUESDAY

[delicate solar]

Whatever there's 0 point in discussing the game right now as the game will be overhauled at 26th. "Please note that the update will also introduce sweeping balance changes that will affect almost every class, weapon, and item in the game."

[uneven prairie]

I love all the crying from the rogues poor rodents 🤣🤣🤣

[sonic lagoon]

very lucky to have nabbed a poison damage kit from a guy way more geared than me last night

[fading pasture]

Literally only bad kids complain about rogues bro I’m sorry lmao.. they are so squishy it’s incredible , meanwhile a ranger can kill you across the map heal himself use a spear and just counter every mele guy

[heady current]

Give warlocks summons and nerf blow of corruption

[wanton garden]

best patch

[true fractal]

ROGUES IN SHAMBLES!!

[long leaf]

At least a damage reduction per shot or something.

[keen pond]

killograms of salt

[winged prawn]

lolol

[fathom iris]

i get that rouge landmine was rough to play against but thats rouges only thing now its like only the pickpocket build left

[steady valve]

Yeah my clerics are absolutely juiced from farming lobbies with holy strike lol

[severe arch]

sounds exciting

[shrewd sage]

nah you can learn a new class tho

[cold reef]

What will all the TTVs do now that the rogue class is trash?

[peak crypt]

Rogues can skill diff me all day but now they cant waste a damn minute of my time when i do actually catch one slipping. It was never just skill diff when an invisible class can remove you from the game in under a second.

[teal jolt]

im still gonna run my rogue bc i know i can still beat most of you without the high damage im not worried skill issue tbh i dont use hide or anything to begin with 🙂

[woven void]

You dense as fuck brotato

[tepid hazel]

its not like a n mmo u can play any class

[marble beacon]

weird. all the top streamers seem to disagree with you.

[unreal obsidian]

I'll still be there as a naked rogue with a perfectly timed invis to steal a cape off a dead ranger who tried to open a door 🙂

[limber badge]

I have a feeling GC will now be Clerics and Rangers and you'll see tears for this

[hallow violet]

pickpocket has been nerfed the hardest basically

[sharp hatch]

it will be done in 2 hours bud

[grand dew]

you think the change in agil/resourcefulness will make rogue better or worse at mining?

[errant steeple]

@edgy hare Rogue nerf and it only took a couple days exactly like I said 🤣🤣 eat crow

[wise sorrel]

Next patch notes: we as devs are dribbling mongtards, we can’t play wizard because we suck, so wizard has been removed.

When abusing our ranger class that we never nerf, we died to ambush rogue, so rogue has been removed

Increased damage of all bows by 9999999

[thorny frost]

I dont understand why theres so much whining about Rogues right now, were they buffed or something? Like oh my god its an Rogue, it would be worthless if it was unable to ASSASSINATE - Most of you dorks crying about Rogue are probably solo players, and its clear why - who would want to play with crybabies like you?

LOL Stick to the caves Champ, Crypt isnt for you!

[amber nest]

I warned you, Rogue mains. If you didn't get Goblin Caves removed, they were going to start balancing around Solos and nuke your class.
Should have listened tbh

[kind halo]

for sure i have 3 rangers triple shot is the problem (and logbows)

[boreal harbor]

I mean, to be fair they literally shot rogues in the head, not surprised people are pissed

[timber bridge]

nah cause then reddit will whine more and they'll eventually remove daggers from the game and remove invis

[winged prawn]

Rangers suck in GC. they are competitive in one room. I just sprint them down into a door most the time.

[brazen holly]

So now I want to make the case to give that alpha strike ability to fighters, we all know how badly they've been doing. Imagine if they get a skill called "Power Attack" and it gave a +50% weapon damage.

[karmic nexus]

lol pickpocket is dogshit now that hide is nerfed.

[high nebula]

Actually double jump crossbow build was the meta when the burst was still a thing. People were playing dots and mobile more because it's a more fun play style.

Ironmace being shit at balance gave rogues no other options but to sit in one spot for a kill

[blazing stirrup]

ranger is disgustin rnnnnn

[thin eagle]

They need to nerf rogue even more tbh, this isn't enough

[peak crypt]

Better. I think mining is 60% resourcefulness, 40% agi

[silk moat]

honestly it's difficult to balance any stealth class ever but can anyone disagree that if a rogue was behind you it was gg, almost 0 counterplay unless you're PERFECT

[eager olive]

I'm celebrating the removal of the alpha damage, but I'm hard pressed to say I'm celebrating the change. As much as I hate rogues, I don't hate people who play rogue. It does seem like the class now lacks any sort of identity with a truly ludicrous number of largely weak perks that should be consolidated and an actual class identity established.

The rogues we will still see are going to be either rats picking chests and stealing portals, or poison rupture hand crossbow nuisances that will troll you all game long if you can't clap back with ranged of your own

[marble beacon]

its actually a buff to rogues as scouts/escape artist. thats the way the class was always intended. the only nerf was to assasin style "rogues"

[teal jolt]

tbh people who complain about rogues after this nerf it has to be a skill issue at this point 😮

[steady valve]

It’s really just a skill issue. People use rogues as crutches. I was doing fine in HR crypts as a solo naked fighter. People can make it work they just abuse rogues ability to rat rather than actually learn the game mechanics

[broken dome]

People going crazy and the patch hasnt even come out yet. Like most of you have never even seen the damage calculation formulas to know how much of a difference these changes will actually make. All you know right now is "LOL NUMBERS GO DOWN". I mean the 60 -> 20 second change is intuitive, but the other stuff will need to wait and see.

[vestal falcon]

rouges got the D i love it

[proud void]

its always been skill issue :)

[hallow violet]

have fun against full lobbies of rangers you might change your tune

[long warren]

not even perfect, can counter

[heady current]

Naw they want to class removed

[misty tree]

Rogues aren’t even hard to kill, you won’t notice a different with how easy and saturated gear is in this game. All these patches will show no real difference. These developers are too fucking dumb ti understand they inflated the items in this game day one that makes default stats irrelevant and won’t show the intended gameplay they wanted.

[knotty kernel]

So, about those rangers, I think the slow on those arrows is a little too much, and honestly why should they start with hunting traps, they are available in the store.

[drowsy mango]

there is no way a cleric is farming anything in a lobby of anyone semi-competent. you can kill extreme noobs who don't know that you're a sitting duck and also for some reason aren't also trying to use any ranged on you

a holy strike judgement is barely enough to get someone running at you to be 1 hit and they both take time to cast

[wicked nebula]

rogue getting nerfed lets go IM

[timber bridge]

isn't that the whole point to a stealth class, if they manage to stealth up you lose?

[bold lintel]

so rogues pvp capability got gutted, now they will just be avoiding everyone and vacuuming up everyones kills while they are still fighting

[crude island]

I've literally never had an issue killing a rogue.

[warped orchid]

Rangers are not NEARLY as OP as Rogues were before this patch

[winged prawn]

We already do that in ruins. Teams of double rangers and double rogues.

[atomic raptor]

Rogues malding

[peak crypt]

I don’t know about that. I think we will probably see a few things walked by. Rogue already had too many perks before this new one. I think at least we’ll see hide buff and hide perk removed.

[grand dew]

I mean, my cleric is juiced out from solo lobbies so idk what you're talking about

[silk moat]

how is that fair, when you say "MANAGE" to stealth up to you you imply that it takes any level of skill @timber bridge

[marble beacon]

Rogues will still be incredibly strong. all you baby rogues just haven't even been used to having to try for so long.

[strange rover]

is there a wipe soon?

[shrewd sage]

these ppl are delusional

[ionic mirage]

LMFAO

[knotty kernel]

Rangers are extremely overpowever, the damage longbow does is entirely unfair. Their is no counterplay to a ranger with a bow shooting down a hallway.

[west fox]

Hide perk now allows stealth only in shadows, must be in shadows for 3 seconds to hide. Lasts until leaving.

[quick stump]

bruh rogues were A problem they weren't THE problem

[teal jolt]

i been playing this shit forever im still gonna main rogue because i know its mainly a skill issue with you guys

[drowsy mango]

goblin caves isn't even a canon game mode

[unreal edge]

Rogues on suicide watch 😂 No more ambush/hide abusing nerds

[deft crown]

you would act the same if you main a class since playtest 1 and then u get an complete unnecessary class removal

[analog vigil]

nerfing daggers but not longbows=lol

[delicate solar]

26th September item wipe.

[novel hornet]

RIP ROUGES

[timber bridge]

yes, 80% of the times people will know you are closeby if they pay attention. Like it's often very obvious a rogue is close even though people don't like to admit it

[marsh flume]

i wonder if they would do a gear score system instead of the level system

[foggy meteor]

All y’all rogues better beware of my axe ya hear?

[blazing stirrup]

rangers need some kinda tracer nerf where you can clearly see arrows flying and they need to implode after missing 3 times

[peak crypt]

Difference in OP ranger and OP rogue was that OP ranger REQUIRES real actual skill. OP rogue just required you to go afk.

[rose steeple]

whered u get this info if you dont mind me asking

[grand dew]

lol okay, keep living in the land of "should" instead of the land of "is" I suppose

[amber turtle]

wait we are having a wipe alreadY?

[thorny frost]

I dont understand why theres so much whining about Rogues right now, were they buffed or something? Like oh my god its an Rogue, it would be worthless if it was unable to ASSASSINATE - Most of you dorks crying about Rogue are probably solo players, and its clear why - who would want to play with crybabies like you? Clearly the skill gap is wider than your future!

LOL Stick to the caves Champ, Crypt isnt for you!

[sullen bronze]

the hide duration nerf was long overdue

[silk moat]

yea now it's just not a free win @timber bridge yea super obvious when they're invisible waiting in a doorway

[fading pasture]

Worst take

[proud void]

bro thinks we arent gonna change to barb

[hallow violet]

so where is rogues strength coming from now exactly?

[strange rover]

items only no levels? where is this posted at?

[marble beacon]

"main" thats your problem. don't get married to a class. Ever heard of the word biased? look it up.

[errant steeple]

My brother in Christ, same. Braindead self serving players tried to argue with me the entire week saying it wouldn’t happen…look what happened. The validation feels incredible lol. Gimme my dog back tho

[vivid pendant]

https://darkanddarker.com/news/5

Early Access Wipe #2 and Patch #1 scheduled for Tuesday September 26, 2023. Urgent Emergency Hotfix #13.

[warped orchid]

There is. Positioning and wizards just to name a couple.

[wanton matrix]

excited to get to play slayer build and not get shanked by a purple dagger 🙂

[wicked nebula]

all invis and 1-shot mechanics in games should be pretty weak. AKA rogue in a nutshell. No one likes playign against that boring ass game play

[normal bloom]

ranger requires skill?
lol
lmao even

[teal jolt]

i dont either really but i prefer rogue the most i have 5 different classes over 15 and 4 of them are lvl 20

[delicate solar]

Of course not. Right here:
https://darkanddarker.com/news/5

[drowsy mango]

at least i'm not sitting there arguing that cleric is balanced because you have 6 heals and 2 buffs with a ranged strike attack in a solo game mode. LMFAO

[timber bridge]

now it is the most unviable class in the game with no option to win in any way unless you play against someone with half a brain. That also doesn't seem fair to me?

[limber badge]

I mean Rogue needed a nerf but not obliterated from reality.

[broken dome]

Pretty much this lol. The art of getting to choose the fights you take and being able to disengage from a losing battle is such a huge advantage in all comabt games that most rogue players havent even had to learn yet because they've been straight up COASTING on alpha strike damage and 60s total invis.

[steady valve]

Man maybe you need to play a game with me on my cleric lol I can show you how to be a true battle cleric

[rancid field]

i actually wish my nipples were balanced, uneven bastards

[woven void]

Yup fuck rogues

[marsh flume]

if they do a gear score system it would provide more balance to the game and new players can actually play and learn

[grand dew]

I never said anything about balanced, I just pointed out it's totally doable to farm lobbies as cleric. Which you said wasn't a thing...

Wtf are you on about?

[shrewd sage]

Rogues make the game worse, sorry you cant play a broken class ppl cant react. Games just better without you lol

[boreal pelican]

rogue mains are crying rn, saying they didnt need a nerf, lmao

[foggy meteor]

I hope they do, I’ll introduce them to my axe just the same.

[heady current]

The devs are catering to normie casuals with less skill than reposes left pinky toe. Ironmace devs sleeping on ranger and listening to GC andies is absurd. You can’t balance this game on a 1v1 basis. It needs t be balanced around 3’s with 1’s and 2’s developing a separate meta. Gutted rogue with no viable alternative builds is a slow brain move

[silk moat]

i still think they're plenty strong now you just dont have a guaranteed win every time you skilfully stealth

[rose steeple]

tysm

[terse nova]

The point of gear progression becomes what?

[odd loom]

Rogues make the game worse, sorry you cant play a broken class ppl cant react. Games just better without you lol

[vestal falcon]

the fact that lobbies were 50 percent rats should tell you it was going to happen

[strange rover]

Please note that the update will also introduce sweeping balance changes that will affect almost every class, weapon, and item in the game.

ranger nerf on tuesday

[teal jolt]

anyways no reason in arguing about the nerf because i know damn well most of you are still gonna get skill diffed by rogues and whine after the patch :0

[vivid pendant]

Due to the side effects from the duping bug, we have decided to execute the next Early Access wipe much earlier than expected. We plan to wipe the game in tandem with the Early Access Patch #1 next Tuesday. Wipe #2 will only wipe players inventories including all items and gold. This time users will keep all their characters and their level progression. Please note that the update will also introduce sweeping balance changes that will affect almost every class, weapon, and item in the game.

[errant steeple]

💯

[drowsy mango]

try going into crypts and let me know how juiced your character is in 4 days with that strategy

[fading pasture]

Thank god

[timber bridge]

idk I'm just malding hard rn, let's see how it actually plays out once the patch drops. I'm a malding rogue main and this looks very bad to me

[trail egret]

i have found lots of interesting ways on every class i've played to find counterplay to every other class, even when there's obviously a mismatch in skill or class niche EXCEPT for rogue. there is no counterplay for a solo rogue other than playing like a coward, standing still waiting 60 seconds for stealth to elapse while you sweep melee weapons at the air. as soon as you don't go through this tedious bullshit you risk getting oneshotted from stealth by somebody who had been waiting around in the room for several minutes before you ever got there.

rangers are extremely strong and need nerfs, but i've enjoyed trying to figure out ways to dodge arrows and block line of sight as barbarian or fighter even if they are strong. there is no 'fun' or interesting counterplay to rogue. playing against rogues is tedious and boring straight up. stealth gameplay is always going to be problematic because dealing with stealth isn't fun for anybody.

[flint sluice]

lokey i get that we need a matchmaking system but the 15 and up stuff isnt a very good way to do it cause i cant do anything against full kits if i have no more money and i shouldnt have to make a new character just to be abke to be poor

[obtuse jewel]

Why change anything at all, everything went great in the playtest, everyone adapted to the game and it was fine!!!

[delicate solar]

Why all the angst? THE GAME WILL BE OVERHAULED ANYWAY IN A WEEK.

[peak crypt]

It’s pretty harsh. I bet we see hide buffed to 40s and the perk removed within a week.

[vagrant path]

I don't rogue but the rogues just got over-debuffed. I don't think the devs can balance well honestly

[marble beacon]

well you can rat around pick locks and loot essentially the entire map at will. run away escape etc. Rapier didn't get touched so its not like you don't still do damage. In fact you only have to lose a perk to keep the same stealth but 20 sec may be all you need if used right. I mean wizard invis is 4 sec lol. So they toned down the damage essentially and everything else is the same. You will still see tons of instant kills by rogues but instead of 1-2 hits it hopefully takes 3-4 hits

[proud void]

nah you guys will just start to realize that we are just better players that used to enjoy rogue

[sweet jay]

Pull the plug on the servers

[thick crest]

I'm just glad they finally did something about it. Seeing full lobbies of rogues was genuinely the worst time playing this game..

[barren summit]

WHY THE ROGUESSSS MAN

[normal bloom]

"almost every class"
slick wording so they dont have to nerf ranger
that class is devs' baby

[thorn nimbus]

Its funny how everytime even a single tiny nerf hits any class everybody starts crying and screaming like toddlers that their class is now unplayable yet it still always works just fine after the nerf. The only thing there will be less of now is naked rogues with blue castillon daggers popping out of ambush and 2 tapping people after which they just run away to rinse and repeat.

[jovial cove]

20 sec stealth

[silk moat]

im not saying it doesn't need tuning but this was long overdue

[keen path]

Can you please stop doing the update on the CEST evening hours ???? Is that so difficult to understand your community

[sullen bronze]

we can smell the rogue on you

[brazen holly]

Yes in the 26th

[strong salmon]

if you actually know how to play a cleric cant get any of these off and is forececd to melee

[grand dew]

hey man, you're the one who blanket said "clerics can't farm lobbies"
I pointed out a lobby they CAN farm. Don't get all pissy at me cause you're upset about crypts.

From what I can tell that's the map that needs the most attention as far as balancing goes so it's not like I even disagree

[proud forum]

Rogues had it coming.

[errant steeple]

Right, if not more so, but some people only see what they want to see

[thorny frost]

I dont understand why theres so much whining about Rogues right now, were they buffed or something? Like oh my god its an Rogue, it would be worthless if it was unable to ASSASSINATE - Most of you dorks crying about Rogue are probably solo players, and its clear why - who would want to play with crybabies like you? Clearly the skill gap is wider than your future!

LOL Stick to the caves Champ, Crypt isnt for you!

[west fox]

Hide should only work in shadows. Maybe it takes a second or two before being available upon entering, but it lasts indef in darkness. They could add throwable items to turn AOE turn on or off lights. Requires rogues to setup a room to stealth, Gives other players indication there is a rogue in the room. We throw torches, etc.

[worthy abyss]

I keep seeing shit like this are "normie casuals" people who dont wanna sit and wait 60 second before entering a room?

[unborn hamlet]

💯

[winged prawn]

A lot of people who spammed "skill issue" while abusing rogue upset in chat all the sudden and its glorious.

[limber badge]

The new perk is so bizarre to me considering he has 50 perks already lol
I love this game but man these balance patches are massive directional shifts and not subtle.

[vestal falcon]

what skill is it to be a rouge?

[marsh flume]

@terse nova look if you had no gear just spawned in trying to learn the game but got spawn rushed and killed then where is the fun in that

[odd ibex]

Rogues are fine as they are now. i play main Bard and i only have Problems with rogues, when i am fucking up

[thorn owl]

Exactly.
But I get that having the teams of 3 rolling on the spawns in highroller etc has really decreased survivability for everyone so people went to rogue, but now it's only purpose in fight has been crushed and you will have to either do the same to the crybabies that think they will escape it, or will be useless against armor users (probably).
So it really does give an incentive to a rat gameplay

Literally all aspects of the classes are in the perks and in addition they shift part of your spells in it too, they really don't know what to do

[bold lintel]

to ambush someone isnt all that easy unless you just have clueless people running at you. sure it seems OP if you have zero awareness but to get infront of someone, predict their path, and cut them off without them hearing you isnt just a mindless thing. the thing is people only see when it works out for the rogue, not the 30 failed attempts before that one and then they cry "plz IM rOGue oP pLz nERf"

[pliant tree]

Wipe?

[timber bridge]

ranger mains

[vivid pendant]

[frail spire]

man they rolled rogues

[heady current]

Then nerf rogue in a week. Also lobbies will still be full of base gear rogues with a weapon at most. Especially new high roller lobbies with the increased cost and lower player pools

[flint sluice]

i rlly feel like ironmace is playing wackamole with nerfs and they always go back on themselves within a week or so of the update

[static mirage]

What's the logic behind completely gutting the ambush+weakpoint combo but not reverting the hand crossbow nerfs?

[teal jolt]

you will realize when you still get stomped on after this update

[woven void]

Nope fuck rogues

[vagrant path]

I play barb, wizard, and pickpocket rogue, fuck out of here. They made rogues from OP one shot machines into garbage. Can't even pickpocket with double jump anymore, garbage

[foggy meteor]

I have been playing Barb since play test number two man It will be hilarious seeing y’all try to hide behind doors and chugging invisibility potions

[broken dome]

What a great day for DAD

[drowsy mango]

i know this very well, but i have this guy over here who has never played in a high roller who doesn't understand that people can press the w button to run at you. LOL

[obtuse jewel]

and ?

[peak pendant]

Just gonna drop this here:
If you're gonna buff clerics stats u might as well nerf his buffs/healing because it is way too strong facing against meta being ( Cleric, barbarian and bard) its annoying getting oneshot or just not being able to do damage to thr barbarian/fighter when he gets buffed so much hes practically invincable.

[hazy pike]

Regard it as an opportunity. Rogues are evolving and maybe at some point other playstyles will be viable as well. But can't get data to make that happen if rogues stay a oneshot class with no counterplay. They will get buffed again eventually. Just give em time to figure their stuff out.

That being said, Fighter gameplay experience is pretty horrible for several weeks now and I hope that Rogues will not suffer the same fate.

[thick crest]

"staying invis and ambushing isn't the easiest thing" Spoken like the smoothest brain chat's ever seen

[silk moat]

anyone else crying about wipe, i spent the last week accumulating my gold ;_; just started playing cant imagine someone who invested a ton of time getting wiped

predict their path isn't really a thing when most hallways have a single door

[tight sigil]

no shot they actually buffed cleric braindead shit

[pulsar cliff]

Weakpoint nerf and Invis nerf is already pretty substantial and understandable. Daggers getting nerfed as well? Thats kinda insane imo. Going to make rogues more dependant on pre nerfed daggers and Rapiers/Hand crossbows. Don't mind me, going to do some easy flips after this patch 😉

[vestal falcon]

but i didnt before i play fighter and barb kinda always smacked you

[terse nova]

tutorial or something, gear score MM, may as well not have gear at all

[wicked nebula]

is wipe date confirmed?

[spice spire]

they literally did holy shit read before you say something stupid

[runic stone]

Their not broken but they break the fundamental of the game they were not designed well their playstyle is cheesy unfun to play against and anoyying

[teal jolt]

must not be fighting good rogues i dont even need hide or invis pots and i still rarely die to barbs/fighters so i mean 🙂

[delicate solar]

Item Wipe, Craracters remains, 26th Sep.

[broken forum]

yep, 26th as per their website

[timber bridge]

idk it's just the implementation difficulty of stealth/ambushes classes, it's by definition always going to be the class that people complain the most about and that gets the most hate. Wouldn't surprise me if rogue will often jump between being op af and being completely unviable ..