game-discussion

[terse nova]

Ruins game last night like 8 players blasted through the door, was quite the site, not mad it was funny wish I had 3 or 4 traps down and killed them all lol

[cedar knoll]

How do i get the " Line holder " role, i bought the Founder's Edition

[wanton skiff]

im not saying i have the answer as to punishing it seetther but them saying its okay if its 'organic' is the dumbest shit ive ever seen and something cIearIy needs to be done

[exotic gust]

@cerulean dagger organic teaming withVOIP i can live with, sometimes its even funny to see, but yeah the OCE GC lobbies are obviously full of chinese teamers communicating outside the game, and usually running ESP cheats, ive zoned in with purples and had 3 chinese players run across the map at the start of the game and rush me

[cerulean dagger]

@wanton skiff Wow you clearly are either young or not very intelligent based on your sentence structure and grammar and obviously very emotional as well. Take a breath, it is a video game and trying to enforce what you propose has a mountain of headaches for whoever would be dumb enough to attempt to do so.

[tired matrix]

I’m fighting everyone, full fucking send

[whole veldt]

same

[wanton skiff]

okay sorry if i dont type in fuII sentences and perfect grammer i must be unitiIIegent and emotionaI, f off you Ioser

[terse nova]

Not sure you can, it was for the Chads who held the line for on DaDs pixel art for Reddits /r place or whatever. It is not for founders edition

[cedar knoll]

I tought it was for the founder edition

[proper stag]

I'm with Pinky on this. "Teaming" can also backfire since you're all randoms trying to get as much loot as possible. Ignore people complaining about organic teaming. If a random decides not to kill my ass and is willing to make my match easier I am all for it. Pick your battles better if you keep starting fights with dudes that are chilling.

[wanton skiff]

the fact they say teaming in Iobbies before the game with voip is not okay but doing it in the dungeon is has got to be the dumbest shit ive ever heard

[wheat arch]

i think i can determine it just fine when i get teabagged by 4 guys in duo's

[spare elbow]

I mean youre raging about an aspect of the games the devs clearly state is allowed. I offered you an idea to help you avoid lobbies with teamers and you flipped your lid at me for offering advice because you took it as me insulting you. Soo whateva

[terse nova]

I love when people try to team, I give em the ole tripleshot *ickersma

[wanton skiff]

yes they have said its aIIowed and Iook at what it has turned into this wouIdnt be the first time they are wrong and it wont be the Iast

[cerulean dagger]

See there is that lack of intelligence thing, the emotional aspect has nothing to do with your sentence structure or grammar. Your constant swearing at people with opposing view points because you lack a valid argument demonstrates your emotional state.

[wanton skiff]

okay dr frued no one cares about your psychology Iesson here again piss off

[honest falcon]

is wizard still worth playing after all these nerfs? feels so so weak even w gear

[spare elbow]

Personally i havent seen it much. Ive played probably 4-5 hr of goblin cave this wipe and maybe got teamed once, by only two people. It simply doesnt feel like a pervasive issue to me.

[wanton skiff]

its rampant in HR and is onIy spiraIing worse and worse as far as i can teII which i why i am adamant about it

[terse nova]

cant beat em, join em

[gritty flume]

Someone start a petition to rework maze in regular crypts, it's a dead module. Too dangerous to do anything in and the loot is mid, only safely accessible via trap disarming. Tired of myself and others baiting ourselves into going into that deathtrap

[proper stag]

Yeah Wizard is still fun. I don't play Wizard to win matches and kill everybody. I just genuinely wnjoy being the casty boy with silly builds.

[wheat arch]

would not exactly call it a maze if the minimap shows u how to get out rq

[spare elbow]

Oh homie, dont play HR anywhere right now. All youll see are cheaters, exploiters, and in goblin caves preteamers. They need to fix exploits and crack down on cheats better before ill touch HR.

[cerulean dagger]

If you communicate in game I could see why people would want to team against you lol

[proper stag]

Also, I love Ice Bolt. It's great against Rangers.

[gritty flume]

do you have a better callout

[wanton skiff]

i have ran into exactIy 1 cheater in 1OO pIus extracts and the teaming is constant and so fn annoying

[limpid merlin]

non-maze

[spare elbow]

The long and winding zone maybe? — non-maze is much better

[wheat arch]

"a series of hallways" 💀

[wanton skiff]

again this is what happens when the devs say its okay, it spiraIs out of controI and this is the end resuIt

[fast knot]

Fix your 0 skill Bard Din of Darkness killing people on another floor. Worse than rangers shooting 2 people fighting from across the map... at least the ranger has to aim.

[sullen marsh]

anyone know why after block with longsword i do default attack?

[limpid merlin]

you mean parry?

[spare elbow]

To reiterate, HR goblin caves is a trap if you arent teaming or cheating. Most the guys preteaming are probably cheating too. You have no chance. Dont play HR epecially GC until they begin fixing exploits, cheats, etc

[proper stag]

You have to right click after parry my friend

[wheat arch]

just do what i do, and stop logging in when u think some changes are not fun. love the game , still think its fun, but im not cool with some of the changes, the matchmaking makes this wild game less wild, its now just get fecked in 15+ and cant buy shit in 15-

[sullen marsh]

oh got it ty, so i need twice right click for double counterattack?

[pure owl]

Fighters sprint should stop all movement effects. would be a nice little buff against magic and arrows

[wanton skiff]

yes pinky but this couId have aII been avoided or at Ieast nipped in the bud if they didnt say it was okay as Iong as its 'organic' what ever the f that means

[proper stag]

Yes

[spare elbow]

Yeah so once you land the parry double right click for the double headtap swing, end their game swiftly

[spare elbow]

I disagree, i still believe most teamers in HRGC are also probably cheating, or couldnt care less about any rule saying they cant team. Theyd be doing it anyway.

[cerulean dagger]

Why I am I not surprised you don't know the meaning of organic in this context.

[wheat arch]

i wouldnt call it exactly organic when people que at the same time with each, as opposed to people MEETING in a dungeon and using voip to team up

[wanton skiff]

if they said outright that instead of teaming is okay that they wouId be punishing it if they see it wouIdnt have happened

im not saying that no one wouId team ever, but it wouIdnt be happening in basicaIIy every Iobby thats for sure

[spare elbow]

Yeah because everyone in video games just follows the rules: thats why people dont cheat or exploit in any other videogame right?

[weak umbra]

just kill 1v2 and stop crying already, someone should get banned because they used crouch? loot is more important than kills here so nobody cares if you team

[cerulean dagger]

You still never answered how you would deal with my hypothetical situations and whether it would be considered teaming or not. It is very hard to determine what is and isn't teaming in many situations (other than people queueing up with the goal of getting in the same lobby and teaming with someone).

[wanton skiff]

what part dont you grasp that the devs saying its okay has made it rampant, where on the other hand if they said they wouId be punishing it wouIdnt be nearIy as bad as it is now

[proper stag]

Grape, go to Gathering Hall, type your class, level, then add LFG. After you do that, some people will invite you to a group. From there, go to Ruin or Caverns and stay away from Goblin Cave.

[fair marlin]

easy fix, make teaming flag the players, like they haven't hurt eachother in x time.

[cerulean dagger]

Funny that you think other people would put up with that guy for very long lol.

[wanton skiff]

the point is not to stay away from GC its not fix the teaming in GC so its the way it shouId be

[weak umbra]

sure because devs will implement game replay and watch it for 10 mins because someone crouched and didnt killed another guy on sight just stop crying

[spare elbow]

What dont you grasp that your assumption may not be correct? Have you seen into the alternate dimension wherein the devs explicitly stated teaming is not allowed, and barely anyone ever teams in goblin caves? Oddly enough i highly doubt this.

[valid storm]

Teaming is really not that bad. I see it like 1 every 15 games and GC is all I play

[wanton skiff]

okay pinky traveI to that aIternate dimension where they said they wouId punish it and Iook for it, and teII me if its as bad in this dimension cause id Iove to know

[spare elbow]

Dude plays HR goblin caves which is like cheater/exploiter heaven, and wondering why he sees so many… in the state the game is in rn and the fact they havent been able to stop enough cheat and exploiters, personally im not touching HR for awhile

[weak umbra]

just delete gc, all problems solved

[valid storm]

Even in HR I’ve only seen it once lol

[wanton skiff]

when have i compIained about cheaters, not even once the teaming is a very obvious probIem in a FFA 1v1v1v1 format and im baffIed why you dont see it

[valid storm]

I agree it’s a problem when it happens I just don’t think it happens a lot.

[spare elbow]

Cuz 95% of players havent even touched Hr goblin caves, we play 3s in crypt or HR

[wanton skiff]

im sure those numbers are right

[hard wharf]

How easy is Lich to kill with default warlock?

[swift grove]

final portal in goblin caves spawned inside the terrain 😦 lost my kit

[spare elbow]

Im 90% sure they are 😉

[eternal holly]

how do you report Voip

[proper stag]

I sent grape the screenshot saying they would permanently ban pre lobby teamers.

[wanton skiff]

you're 9O% fuII of shit is about it

[weak umbra]

alt+f4

[swift grove]

the portal was accessible but when it opened the ENTIRETY of the blue oval was inside the wall 😦 Ironmace pls fix

[spare elbow]

Question requires clarification.
@swift grove thats odd i thought all portals had set spawn locations that trigger randomly at the given times if they are within the circle at portal spawn times

[weak umbra]

that was true until they changed circle locations

[honest token]

@swift grove post the clip

[eternal holly]

some people yelling racial slurs over lobby and I wonder if you can report such behaviour

[wanton skiff]

oh heres moonguy trying to contribute hahah

[proper stag]

Also, if anyone else wants the screenshot, let me know. I can't post here. I could in the art section, but I don't feel like testing my luck.

[spare elbow]

Ohh i think you can only report ppl in match if you die

[shut rune]

I really wish we were able to equip stock weapons, sorts like the default we have now. I wanna be able run cleric w/ a quarter staff to make a budget monk class

[eternal holly]

there are only report reasons for cheating and inappropriate nickname

[spare elbow]

Yeah i guess the closest thing would be the nickname report, not much you can do there— ive always just considered abusive text and voicechat to be something that comes with videogaming, ever since i was 8 and learned what every swear word was in 3 days of playing warcraft 3

[honest token]

If you clip someone abusing VOIP they may punish it. But you'd hafta clip it and ship it to the right channel

[swift solstice]

Can barbarian break chests with the crush perk and the viking sword?

[granite mulch]

does magical interaction speed increase wizard casting speed?

[honest token]

Nah it's for portals and shrines, also resurrection altar etc

[spare elbow]

— casting speed is increased by knowedge or casting speed bonus rolls

[granite mulch]

what does action speed increase then?

[honest token]

Attack speed, opening doors, chests, disabling hunter traps etc

[swift solstice]

Action speed increases the speed of your attack or draw speed on s bow

[spare elbow]

Weapon swing speed — @honest token doors chests campfire and traps are interaction speed not action speed

[granite mulch]

and what about regular interaction speed? so many lol

[civic fog]

Pretty sure that's doing things like opening a chest or door

[honest token]

Ohhh ok I got that wrong, wish they'd call action speed attack speed

[swift solstice]

Can barbarian break chests with the crush perk and the viking sword? Or does the hatchet work for crush in the secondary slot

[spare elbow]

Idk homie you gotta test it. Ive only ever seen barbs using 2hand weapons to bust chests and doors

[swift solstice]

Alrighty thanks!

[granite mulch]

what spells are classified as "arcane" for wizard?

[honest token]

Missile and invis

[spare elbow]

You can tell i think by the color when youre casting but i think joe is right, only those two atm.

[granite mulch]

tyty

[honest token]

Killed a wizard yesterday in low bracket, dude had a ton of gear but more noticeable...ruby silver pants wtf lol

Ppl really out here mining and crafting rubysilver in low lvl bracket?

[spare elbow]

They couldve played a match in 15 plus to get someone to drop them for them, or they killed a geared guy and stole em. Only need 1 teammate 15+ to put you in those lobbies

[honest token]

Yeah or had it leftover from before the new matchmaking idk wild af

[limber verge]

probably not that hard to mine in the sub 15 matches

[spare elbow]

“I got my big boy pants on, mommy!”

[honest token]

All his gear was bonkers, like a 2k gold kit if I had to guess. He also played like a total clueless goober, didn't even cast a spell

[spare elbow]

🥇 buyer 😂

[honest token]

That was my first guess but idk how he'd survive the 15+ lobby to get the gear dropped rofl

[neon harbor]

Might have have been my team mate we killed a geared rogue and hunter full purples ruby silver pants...had like 3 knowledge...he was literally one shot just trying to escape

[honest token]

OMG it had two knowledge and some other random stats. He was all alone..maybe it was your bud rofl

[neon harbor]

We were in sub 15 lobby not sure where the two we killed got all that gear...I died in the battle sadly...both were fully juiced

I told him.....someone is happy after you ran into them now lol.....he didn't even loot the rogue no room

[honest token]

I only sub 15 lobby shits so fun, make a lvl 1 try to snowball and have 0 deaths to 15

[neat chasm]

steam release when @zinc sparrow ?

[dusk bolt]

is high roller hell harder than regular hell?

[tranquil skiff]

I know the ruby/cobalt clothes are placeholders as far as looks ( i hope). Hope to see class specific gear thats cool looking.

[static onyx]

does achilles strike scale with the WILL attribute after its nerf?

[tranquil skiff]

Yes. More nightmare monsters. Black or grey in color usually.

[jade root]

daily reminder that rogue is a cancer class and should get deleted from the game 🙂

[wicked nebula]

we all know alr

[atomic rampart]

Hey the hell is cobalt and rubysilver powder used for again?

[rapid bough]

crafting at leathersmit/tailor

[delicate solar]

WHAT? Rogue? Should be deleted from Dungeons & Dragons PvP dungeon crawler ))? Really?
It's the most canon class for the setting there is )).

[woeful moss]

i have a balancing question becouse in my eyes there is a big lack of balancing, what are u doing vs player with better gear, like u spawn with trash white gear or u buyed cheap white gear and face a blue player, you dont have a chance becouse he have mutch stronger stats and armor / weapon dmg

2. question gear / armor vs mobility, if u are a stronger player with good gear/armor then u are slow and you dont have the ability to faint in this game, if the enemy player know what he need to do he can out move every attack and hit with his weapon easy every time into your face

i dont see a fix how this work if both player are same strenght, mobility always win vs geared slow player and it feels like lower rarity have no chance vs highter

[cosmic lava]

1. You can absolutely kill people who have better gear that you (barring say a fighter to super min/maxed damage reduction), it's requires you to choose your battles and plan your attacks. Trying to face tank each other will result in constant loses.

2. Yeah, this is one of the ways you would beat someone that outgears you with much heavier armor.

3. If both players are using the same gear, they're the same speed... your claim of "same strength" makes no sense.

Edit: A player that is much more mobile than another is much less tanky. The slow player only has to hit once or twice, where the fast one has to hit 5/6/7 times..... and we're back to "plan your attacks"

[warped belfry]

that has nothing to do with game balance, sounds like a chemical imbalance

[peak crypt]

I wish we could feign attacks. That alone might be enough to make more 2h play become viable.

[warped belfry]

it is a cool idea

[cosmic lava]

2h isn't viable b/c most of the fighting areas are too small for them

[grave axle]

snort it for a speed boost

[cerulean dagger]

So on one hand the person with "good gear/armor" you have no chance against because of their better gear but they also lose to people in less gear because they are faster? lololol

[warped belfry]

"most"

[indigo ginkgo]

They would have to improve/increase the animation speed of combat to give access to more viable 2H combat as in Chivalry 2.

[peak crypt]

Tailor/leathersmith “service” tap to make ruby/cobalt clothing

[lyric shale]

Nerf ranger by removing spear and replacing with longsword

[woeful moss]

i block guys who come with "skill issue" and not helpfull comments

[peak crypt]

Bruh combat in this game is making me want to go back to chiv lately. Not saying it’s bad, it’s just… ive done it all in this game (in terms of weapon pvp)
Would feel so nice to go back to chiv2 where i can effectively 1vX for several minutes at a time.

[warped belfry]

so you are weak minded, thought so

[spare elbow]

Play the fight really smart, you still might lose but i see a lot of geared players get overconfident against low geared teams. Also, devs know the game isnt balanced right now, thats what we are in EA phase for. Itll be inevitable for awhile, and gear will always be tough to fight against with no gearZ

[cerulean dagger]

Cool and I laugh at people that make a complaint that is inherently contradicting to itself.

[pulsar galleon]

Block yourself for not being informed that the devs have reiterated several times that the game is not currently balanced well. They are addressing a host of stuff all at once

[atomic rampart]

You got half the sever blocked than? lmao

[woeful moss]

thats true, not 100% true becouse its more then half

[torn imp]

kickflips on a horse into the room sup posers

[weak umbra]

skill issue

[atomic rampart]

My guy, it's a joke people say, you gotta learn to roll with some punches

[tall crest]

I hope they make it trade vs no trade servers instead of 1-15, I have been having WAY more fun building my kit and doing 1 life runs up to 15 then I have in weeks playing pure purple hell runs freeloing on crypts and HR just trade abusing.

[fair marlin]

I thought about that yesterday, an idea I had come up with

[marble fjord]

I just killed a cleric full gold on ruins (just bag of 50 gold on him entirely full , wtf) , got kicked from the game 2min after i killed him when I reconnect i have all my gear in the menu but not the loot i pick on him

[indigo ginkgo]

You killed a Mule, Free the Mules!!

[tall crest]

They try to protect your kit when there's a ddos or you drop, for the bag its wise to take an empty bag into raid its easy to find 30-50 loose gold

[warped belfry]

cool story, i havent touched the game since that trash change

[tall crest]

well gosh, you haven't touched it? Man, we all should stop the press and join in. You are so very important!

[limber verge]

glad you let us know!

[subtle heart]

Create no trade league! Do it now! Graysun do it today as soon as you can everyone wants it and the game is trash without it. Thank you

[weak umbra]

[limber verge]

bit of a stretch

[warped belfry]

excuse me? you think I am the only one? lol

[limber verge]

no, just no one cares.

[warped belfry]

seems to me you do, considering no one was even talking to you

[spare elbow]

I like the idea. Its like 1-14 lobbies but you can stay in no trade forever uf you wish and the game will play pretty different with people being far less able to min max early on. Farming gold will be much less useful than searching for ideal gear and sharing ideals stuff you find w teammates instead of selling it

[indigo ginkgo]

It's a better Idea to try an experiment - remove Rangers from the game for 30 days, see if the player base returns.

[lean steeple]

Am I the only one annoyed with how barbs go up vs rogues currently? If rogue plays it right with a rapier, there is NO way for the barb to reach. Its just a lost battle

[spare elbow]

This seems a bit beyond excessive. Maybe you need to step outside for a minute too lol

[indigo ginkgo]

Personal attacks are bannage my friend. @oblique isle

[rugged sedge]

Please do not insult eachother while having a discussion

[warped belfry]

Oh i did not know my right to discuss the game was revoked because a bad patch was dropped

[limber verge]

Yes he is certainly aiming to have a discussion, I apologize.

[spare elbow]

Its not that bro just got timed out at the least. Personally i like the change but its ok for you to have a diff opinion… lol

[limber badge]

I still have a horseman's axe for this and like to pretend I'm running away then flipping around with rage to two tap them

[warped belfry]

I mean, I wouldnt be as mad if they would just do a wipe.

[spare elbow]

Yeah it made 15 plus way more juiced but it also made 1-14 really chill so you can kinda pick your poison for the day.

[coral junco]

Don't you know opinions are illegal in 2023?

[devout lily]

reading yalls opinions makes me loose chromies

[limber verge]

This basically, if you are going to ever look at this discord you have to develop a strong stomach.

[coral junco]

My opinion is that they are too many nerfs, bring back my tranquility 😭

[limber badge]

Buff rogue

[spare elbow]

Everyone can agree tranquility was way overnerfed. Sorry but if i have to SIT for that and there is still a decent chance i dont get my rest bar full in 30 seconds, thats just completely useless in a game with a 12 minute timer

[coral junco]

Also they nerfed the healing by half

[limber badge]

Now we just have clerics healing themselves as the wizard chain lightnings them

[coral junco]

Cleric only healy class in game

[spare elbow]

They couldve nerfed the ticks to its current state but not require sit, or the ticks needs to be buffed slightly so you always get your rest bar full in that 30 seconds. Otherwise im stuck deciding to sit another 30 seconds to finish or burning my rest bar. Really terrible decision to have to make in a game with such a short timer and circle pressure

[honest token]

Give barbs healing

[limber badge]

They have the inferior second wind skill

[honest token]

Give rogues third wind

[grave axle]

let ranger triple jump

[empty stratus]

give rangers an awp

[honest token]

Bard is still too strong, nerf them one more time

[limber badge]

1d20 chance to detonate for 50 damage per note played, procs on a 1

[honest token]

Perfect, starting the petition

[grave axle]

make instruments one-use consumables please

[indigo ginkgo]

Give a high chance for Ranger bows strings to break!!

[honest token]

Every triple shot adds strain to the string increasing it's chance of breaking

[pulsar galleon]

Dungeons too fast paced please add the ability for rangers to permanently hobble legs of enemies they shoot in a dungeon

[coral junco]

Stop nerfing everything please 😂

[limber badge]

Nerf Blizzard_Z

[grave axle]

give death beetles infinite range please

[devout yacht]

warlocks should have a death touch to insta kill everything

[empty stratus]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492370/bow-draw-stamina
upvote my suggestion if you agree 🙂

[pulsar galleon]

A ranger trap should force the victim to have to amputate the foot

[coral junco]

Make wraith stronger(seriously you just need stairs)

[limber badge]

This applies to pretty much every mob in the game. The AI is hilariously easy to cheese currently

[honest token]

Give dragonflies invis and longer range

[torn imp]

Please give fighter ability to fight

[empty stratus]

AI is so dumb lol if you're smart you won't get hit again ever

[pulsar galleon]

Make every mob as fast as the red skeleton. Make the red skeleton double that

[undone bloom]

Rangers need to either be blocked from moving when aiming or slower turning speed if they can walk whilst charging.

Got absolutely trounced by a basic gear Ranger in a decent defence setup but because he was running forwards whilst charging and turning to shoot he kept out running me and shooting me faster than I could swing for him. Even with Sprint.

Killed me with 2hp left after I hit him 4-5 times with an EPIC Falchion... 3 were to his head.

How he did not die I have no idea but what I learned is Bows need to be harder to use because there was no situation where that was a fair fight. Can't get close to him with my shield and sword up. Can't defend against his shots without a shield. He has more arrows than I have HP.

What the hell are you meant to do in that situation? Give up? No, the ranger should be dead. His entire team was gone and he had no support. Ranger needs heavily nerfed and it needs to rely HEAVILY on its team supporting them. It should not be able to solo a nearly fully kitted fighter by just abusing an overlooked feature.

[coral junco]

With our speed capped at 350 yeah no

[flat jay]

Nightmares

[limber badge]

Ranger with a spear defeats 80% of hell by sitting slightly elevated

[torn imp]

Im not reading all that.

[devout yacht]

give every class the ability to 1 shot people. The game is too slow

[pulsar galleon]

I have so many good car ideas. I am the best at this

[undone bloom]

No one is asking you. I was just venting to the void about something I've observed in game...

Loser

[torn imp]

TL;DR - u mad.

[grave axle]

real

[kindred nexus]

Ranger just needs to lose their slow on hit, and longbows need a minor damage reduction

[prisma dust]

Yea why the fuck does a blue drum take out 80% of my hp like what

[honest token]

Shoot back with crossbow

[tropic temple]

Give the barb the ability to kick the door and throw it with one shot damage

[limber badge]

Sounds like you got out played to be honest

[torn imp]

Skissue. 🤷‍♂️

[pulsar galleon]

Make bard drum into a set of bongos instead. That can now be controlled by the Donkey Konga game controller. The grey bongos do 1.5x the damage of a legendary drum and have across the map hitscan with no drop

[cerulean dagger]

lol I haven't played ranger other than leveling one to 15 to complete my set of characters but this w(h)ine is delicious. Nice fresh vintage, a bit of a copy of others but still quite fresh and you can feel the soul of the creator go into it.

[undone bloom]

TL;DR you have the basic reading comprehension of a turd.

@honest token didn't have a crossbow and they never show up in the merchants. Never have gold to buy one off market either because they're absurdly priced and we keep getting trounced by Rangers and their BS.

Entire team was geared by the ranger and they all got trounced. He survived because he knew how to abuse the movement in the game.

[grave axle]

lol dude how are you geared if you cant afford a crossbow

[torn imp]

TL;DR u still mad

[tropic temple]

Tl;DR skill issue

[limber badge]

This made me laugh, thank you

[pulsar galleon]

This is basically all I hope to accomplish in this channel anymore

[undone bloom]

In my 3 months playing I've probably seen 1 in a chest.

The only other one I've seen was given to me.

You can have decent gear but 0 gold you know...

[cerulean dagger]

seriously, random blue crossbows go for 50gp all the time or even less as part of packages. I also like how he claimed he hit the ranger 4-5 times with 3 being headshots with an epic falchion. There isn't a single ranger that could survive that without healing but obviously his story is very very embellished.

[grave axle]

besides how weird it is that you havent seen one, its really cheap to trade for

[torn imp]

pop shovits a horse Sayonnara nerds

[devout yacht]

you have a video? 3 hits to the head with a green falchion kills every basic starter kit class except barb who may take 4. I have so many questions lol

[limber badge]

Fighter can also use Francisca axes in addition to bows and crossbows.
I think the woodsman sells all this, too.

[grave axle]

woodsman doesn't sell francisca axes i dont think, but crossbows yeah. also fighter counters ranger i think lol

[undone bloom]

Try 150g+ from what i'm seeing but yeh whatever.

Fighter shouldn't be forced to have a crossbow 24/7. It's a PoS weapon anyway. The only reason you need it is because there's no idea or sense of balance to Rangers.

[limber badge]

I counter rangers by shaking my camera like a lunatic and charging at them

[honest token]

That's my usual tactic
Run at them like a meth head needing a fix

[atomic rampart]

Whichever fighter just dropped down from the ceiling and made me scream, good on you. Not even mad lmao

[pure ivy]

He does

[pulsar galleon]

If you’re having trouble fighting the ranger simple turn 360 degrees and walk away

[static onyx]

Guys btw loot is disappearing off dead bodies when R-clicked, lost some items because they disappeared into the void. I think it's a server lag issue

[limber badge]

Crossbow is NOT a PoS weapon by any means, my good man. The new armor pen makes it a very reliable secondary weapon.

[cerulean dagger]

They aren't 150, and you have other options also as others have pointed out. I'm sorry that you lack the creativity to use one of the many ways to defeat a ranger.

[undone bloom]

No vid, I can only imagine he was spamming his Ration ability like mad. He took hits off the others in my group too.

[tropic temple]

That's the same direction tho :/

[pulsar galleon]

I don’t follow

[devout yacht]

okay, even if he was fully geared 4 hits from an epic falchion plus hits from your team he should of been dead. If not then maybe cheating? hard to say man. The best remedy to BS is to go again!

[undone bloom]

So they can triple shot you in the back of the head and you die...

Nice try, Ranger Main.

[grave axle]

lol dude. in the back of the head?

[mossy dirge]

@feral chasm can't trust a rogue, but thanks for killing that wizard

[arctic prawn]

Bro has never played ranger

[tropic temple]

This guy is so mad we gotta agree with him to nerf anything he struggles to fight

[potent horizon]

rouge needs a nerf

[pulsar galleon]

Baited the orc-brain

[vivid pendant]

actually turning 360 would mean you're still facing the target
so you mean getting shot in the face while you W and try to KILLLLL

[limber badge]

Your meme has flown over heads like ranger mains arrows as I wiggle my mouse like a spastic

[void mauve]

Anyone knows where you can buy Golden keys? cuz these people in tradingchat are scamming hella hard

[pulsar galleon]

Call u Neo the way u be backbend dodging arrows

[torn imp]

Have you guys considered that sometimes you'll get outplayed or maybe you don't need to take every fight? sometimes the best thing you can do is retreat and reposition.

[arctic prawn]

W key only

[devout yacht]

rouge is a color of makeup. how would you nerf that...

[grave axle]

no i want your default kit

[undone bloom]

It was absurd. Never had a fight like it and it should've been over a lot sooner. Im angry that I lost to BS tho. I see the issue and he should be dead.

I am pursuing him. I have sprint. But because he has light gear and can put his weapons away and pull them out faster than me he can walk away from me FULL SPRINTING, charge a shot, turn and shoot 3 times before I can get 1 swing in.

It shouldn't be this easy to use a Bow...

[arctic prawn]

It's not, you just suck at dodging. Were you running in a straight line?

[indigo ginkgo]

Anyone here serve their country?

[torn imp]

i use the same tactic when i go bow hunting wolverines every year with my dad. it's a solid tactic.

[vivid pendant]

you know the risk but you chased, the effort is applauded
TRY AGAIN BAHAHAH

[undone bloom]

I know how to dodge arrows. Move left or right but this guy was turning and locking right onto me no matter what direction.

I had no escape options and clearly didn't have much options to fight either. I literally could do nothing.

[indigo ginkgo]

No it shouldn't. There should be a wild accuracy loss when a Ranger is moving with a bow, not just slow him down, but make him have a great chance to miss.

[limber badge]

Look man that does suck to die to a ranger but if he was able to put his weapon away, pull it out and shoot without you catching him, your movement speed is like 50%

[devout yacht]

yea, they def need to balance some stuff. Longbow's shouldn't do more damage than Longswords for one. They did add Warlocks which can hard counter rangers with Phantomize but that's still gimmicky. This is a toxic af channel though, not gonna get much out of the zoomers here lol

[undone bloom]

83.7% actually... and I had sprint...

So... maybe pay attention to what I'm telling you?

[potent horizon]

im not upset that i die to a rogue here and there im upset that its all naked rogues and i get nothing from killing them but i can lose alot from just going in and the fact they can do 2x damage with ambuse and the weakpoint attack is insane

[cursive mason]

crystal ball should be throwable

[limber badge]

I am paying attention and in no universe does this scenario happen without you messing up somehow

[last perch]

where I can report teaming players?

[pulsar galleon]

Here we go again

[tropic temple]

Just join the peace train

[torn imp]

man, you lost, people are trying to give you advice and you refuse to admit you got outplayed. Shit happens. gear up and go back in.

[terse nova]

fighter can throw francs or knives or shoot recurv at ranger also, I just get ahead of circle and force rangers to come to me, never fight em on their own terms

[worthy abyss]

"i had no escape options" 😂

[undone bloom]

Valid tbh. Anyone saying Ranger doesn't need a rework either mains them and sits camping ruins 24/7 or is literally just blind to the problem.

They're far too good for their purpose. My friend got 1 shot through a door slot THROUGH ME by the same Ranger at 50% HP and was just instantly killed.

The more I think about it the more I think he had an Aimbot ngl.

[tropic temple]

A rogue just appeared and i got outplayed

[merry compass]

Just played a round where me and my team some how got slip from each other? Like we queued as a trio but loaded into Crypts as solo's in the same lobby.

[hexed sand]

Game is unplayable until rogue and ranger are dealt with

[torn imp]

You're a fighter. What is the fighters ONLY WEAKNESS? Ranged. Oh the ranger is a full room away? maybe i should reposition and try to jump him at a door. At close range. Where I am strong and he, as a ranger, is weak. I'm a big slow behemoth. He is a light faster piece of paper. WHERE DID I GO WRONG CHAT?

[potent horizon]

^

[pulsar galleon]

Do not engage the orc-brain

[tropic temple]

Tbf ppl didn't complain this much about ranger when it was really op in playtest 1 and 2 now after nerfing it several times its a problem smh

[hexed sand]

the state of the game isnt the same

[cerulean dagger]

yeah if they think rangers are op now, they would have been screaming so much back then lololol

[indigo ginkgo]

Rogue just got 5 kills in my match in under 4 minutes

[torn imp]

Good rogue.

[terse nova]

ranger punishes people with their thumb in their dark side thinking no ones looking at them

[devout yacht]

Hasn't the player base doubled or more each playtest? More people playing/theorycrafting

[undone bloom]

He wasn't a full room away. He was 10ft Infront of me and still outrunning me with Sprint...

He has the ability to turn, unphased, no downsides.

I have the ability to put my shield up and slow myself down or tank the shots.

Even with Sprint, he was outrunning me. From 10ft of distance. At 80% movement speed...

Just tell me you don't actually play the game...

[hexed sand]

The reality is that the class fantasy of rogues results in degenerative gameplay for everyone else. Its always the same kind of people who one trick those classes as well.

[solar cloak]

have devs even talked about ranger openly?

[novel plover]

devs are ranger and wizard mains

[tropic temple]

It did explode until playtest 3 after nexon bs yeah

[torn imp]

80% movement speed versus is 100% move speed. I wonder where the gap in speed was.

[arctic prawn]

Of course he's outrunning you with sprint lmao, he has a ton of base agility and light armor. Your small speed boost isn't going to allow you to just catch him without slowdown.

[tame dirge]

Rogues are fine honestly there annoying yea but not that bad I think they might need to role lock teams so not more than one character per team that way it’s not as many rouges running around invisible so they actually have to play with there team some not a full team of rogue

[terse nova]

chasing ranger as fighter, doesnt the francesca hit slow him?

[heady current]

Everyone out here dividing and losing their skulls over the trading post. I just que my default ranger until it’s nerfed and give all the gold and gear to my main rogue

[undone bloom]

Yeh he wasn't naked and had crap gear so... he was only faster than me WHEN HE PUT HIS WEAPONS AWAY which he could do in A QUARTER of the speed I can...

How are you not seeing the issue.

[torn imp]

Its a ranger perk. Similar to your "i have a shield" perk.

[worthy abyss]

why aint u just use ur two fists

[arctic prawn]

You decided to chase a ranger and kept using your fists lmao, that's not a fault of the game. I'd agree that ranger probably moves a bit too fast while shooting or is a bit too accurate, but you're coming off way to whiny to prove a decent point.

[pulsar galleon]

Hotfix #13: Ranger has been given a cool cowboy hat and lasso, and has been renamed to Ranchero. You can now permanently lasso and hogtie that one guy in chat and make him squeal like a piggy over voip to negotiate release

[indigo ginkgo]

: Rogue just got 5 kills in my match in under 4 minutes:
Legendary Stiletto, Blue Cape, Purp Ring, Purp Rapier, Another Purp Stilleto -
Gear Score Match Making has to be instituted to stop this BS.

[undone bloom]

Yeh my shield... which Rangers can just seemingly shoot through and under or if they know how, can just glitch their shots over at the right angle to headshot me anyway... or shoot my feet...

There's no scenario where Ranger isn't OP. Even in close combat they can shoot their bows uninhibited and still win most encounters.

They need to be given a reason to RUN. They should have 0 capability in close combat.

[tame dirge]

Okay so speed the fighter up but give the ranger the same armor as the fighter see the issue there are classes so they counter each other just gotta out play them play to your strengths not there’s if it’s a bad fight run bait them

[torn imp]

Know what? Fuck it. You're the best fighter main who ever did fight a fight, we're all wrong, you're right. it's the games fault, not yours, and definitely not a skill issue. good luck on your next fight brother, i believe in you. Get out there and be somebody.

[terse nova]

I should have the most armor in game and also run fastest and use all weapons in game as well

[undone bloom]

No... just give Ranger a Quiver with a MAXIMUM ARROW STORAGE and make their accuracy go down the sink when they walk whilst shooting...

That would be perfect.

[supple seal]

U can still 2 shot that rogue just as he does to you?

[indigo ginkgo]

My fighter is L20, and essentially broke. My Rogue is L20, and the bank is stacked.....
Class issues.

[tame dirge]

So make them useless hmmmm I think you should go to general chat seems like your kind of people man

[cerulean dagger]

I truly wonder what it is like to lack any capability of self reflection. I feel sorry for you because this is honstly sad how long you have gone on about this and you still don't get the idea.

[torn imp]

Guys, you know who were incredibly inaccurate with their bows while moving? the mongolians. They only hit their shots like 90% of the time on horseback while bouncing and moving at 30 mph. Surely this fantasy character who's devoted his life to the bow couldn't be accurate whilst walking backwards.

[tropic temple]

let's make fighter fully stop when swinging aswell that sounds like a fun gameplay

[pulsar galleon]

Everyone knows Robin Hood was crap at moving during target practice

[supple seal]

Honestly giving melee a slight lunge forward on w swings would benefit the archer just dipping once u hit him once kinda thing.

[velvet hollow]

Lol to all purple geared teams than "dominate" normal maps! Ur so bad that u cant play HR so gotta build your ego killing naked noobs...

[undone bloom]

I don't see how limiting arrows so people don't just come in with a full inventory of them to spam shots makes them useless

I don't see how making it harder to aim whilst moving makes them useless either... makes it more balanced and makes the class make more sense. Your Accuracy should be very important. Tf is the point of it if you can just spam shots at their feet or jump around the room like a rogue shooting freely...

Compared to the stuff other classes put up with, Ranger would still have it easier with these changes.

[flint plank]

Next fix when, cuz level split is still sht, it makr me play until lvl 15 then i stop cuz i dont want to play in middle of full stuff

[tropic temple]

but they have to make content and look cool

[coarse epoch]

please fix rogues 3 shotting me naked, this is insane along with wizard and ranger imalance over melee classes

[worthy abyss]

bro you said they need a reason to run but like you were a room away the ranger has a reason to run when you are close up, your literally mad you got shit on and people arent gonna sit here and baby you cuz ur mad, also go play ranger he isnt just easy spam class, im sorry but arguably fighter is the class with the least skill you just walk forward and click m1 the skill comes in when parrying and blocking but thats not jsut the fighter

[torn imp]

Next Patch: Fighter gets roller skates to keep up with rangers, because it's really hard for them to fight their main counter

[pallid rover]

So when are they fixing the lag

[supple seal]

Okay i agree with everything but archer not being easy, the class is dog easy lol. I legit got rolled playing wizard then moved to ranged to continue playing ranged and survived like 19 straight because I had 0 issue clapping people.

[bold lintel]

the arrows arent hitscan, you still have to actually aim and account for travel distance and drop. i can understand your argument for other classes that use a bow, like fighter getting that nerf, but not the bow specialist

[flint plank]

Next patch= ranger can throw fireball and zap

[undone bloom]

Read again. Wasn't a room away. He was 10ft away and spamming shots and outrunning me.

They need a reason to run from melee fights. Limit their ammo and make it harder to aim when you're in close combat situations... not hard and not asking for much.

[tame dirge]

I have a ranger bud and trust me I be missing shots and plenty of times I’ve had a fighter charge me and one tap me should we make his accuracy worse or better yet give him a stamina bar so he cant spam swings like bro you got out played and honestly why don’t u just use a cross bow 1-2 tap the ranger???

[vapid oyster]

engrish

[limber badge]

Lookie there the woodsman is selling a 47 damage crossbow for me for 27gp

[tropic temple]

so you're saying one class can't fight melee classes no matter what ? u just W key them you really want it that easy

[torn imp]

Fighter gets stamina bar, Ranger gets asthma, rogue's footsteps get bass boosted like an MLG video, Cleric has to type in latin to cast spells, wizard gets near sighted vision, everything balanced.

[bold lintel]

you literally are though. your argument is "waaah i cant leeroy jenkins a ranger and run him down... no fair. plz nerf"

[pulsar galleon]

Woahhh settle down mr beast we can’t afford that

[upper quest]

Does ranger penetrating Shot work with melee weapons? It does not say anything that it has to be projectile in description

[tame dirge]

Luk am tring me bezt

[limber badge]

These are the changes we need.

[cerulean dagger]

Harder to aim? Do you want their arrows to fly random directions instead of where they point their target? Talk about needing a handicap..... Also there is a constantly closing circle in this game, he can only run so far before he is in the darkness and then he slowly dies. Why are you letting him kite you infinitely if you apparently are too daft to figure out a way to actually catch up to him / deal with him at ranged?

[pallid rover]

Why is this game so much worse than it used to be???

[flint plank]

Tbh, give ranger 2 oil lantern to begin with

[undone bloom]

I don't trust you. You're literally blind to the problem.

Ranger can outrun fighter AND still shoot at them unphased the entire time whilst the fighter has to either A) Put shield and sword away to catch up or B) Run away and get shot in the back...

Ranger shouldn't be allowed to run and shoot. It's unrealistic. It's completely unbalanced. He can jump up to things I can't because of the mobility and trounce me... what am I supposed to do?

[high nebula]

Because the devs made unnecessary changes to appeal to casuals

[terse nova]

one crossbow shot on ranger and hes turning cheek

[woven finch]

It isn't. People are just lazy with how they play and don't put any thought into their encounters, then blame game balance for their shitty performance.

[indigo ginkgo]

So very broken. Run solo crypts with a fighter starting naked, escape 1 out of 8 times.
As a Rogue, escape 5 out of 8 times.

[flint plank]

So he can protect his ass at least 2 time in the game so nobody rush him directly, kinda tempo the fight

[pulsar galleon]

New fighter skill: when they die to a ranger, they can say over voip “that doesn’t count I had a force field you can’t hit me” . And they come back to life with full health and an inventory full of gold plus a blue portal. And the ranger explodes violently

[tame dirge]

You forgot just use a bow or cross bow you can shoot back and since it’s so easy you’ll land all head shots

[pallid rover]

I mean objectively yes that is the reason, but why lol

[arctic tendon]

Man kinda lame when every game you play there are a few cape big kit teams. It’s good when you are kitted trying to pvp but when your not. Losing game

[woven finch]

Avoid them.

[torn imp]

that a buff nesquic bunny?

[flint plank]

Fun time of lvl 15+ lobby is even more full of people with big gear

[arctic tendon]

Reeet

[tame dirge]

Yes not a fan of this last update on the match making

[bold lintel]

sounds like you expect to be Speedy Gonzales when you run full grey plate armor . spec into agi/spd if you wanna be fast

[pallid rover]

Why they get rid of the 3 man extract portals. It's lame at the end of the game having to fight off 4 different teams

[tropic temple]

fun fact i've seen less geared ppl in HR lobbies than normal lobbies these days

[novel plover]

i feel like riot games is behind dark and darker

[loud onyx]

theres a under lvl 3 ranger with a full purple and half orange kit just rolling all the under 15s who dont have acess to trader to get gear lmao. very balanced changes

[torn imp]

chad

[ivory cedar]

Already getting half full lobby’s on normal crypts. Uh oh, game dying?

[frozen sundial]

Sounds like an opportunity to team

[bold lintel]

nah, its about to wipe so a lot of people just taking a few days break

[torn imp]

my guy its 12pm on a tuesday, People have jobs and school. @ivory cedar

[tall crest]

i have yet to get a goblin cave that isn't 100% filled, and rarely get crypts not fully filled. it's a tuesday at noon, what do you expect?

[tulip bluff]

how do people mine and not get shanked

[loud onyx]

i mean his mates have just dropped him a huge kit in the ruins or something and he find joy going around 1 shotting naked under 5s lol. coward

[ivory cedar]

Always used to full at 12pm on a Tuesday but sure

[arctic tendon]

Ya- ppl can still drop shit at the start of the dungeon. So the cheaters/ boosters are gonna get their gear either way. Leaving the normal players to be sheep amongst wolfs

[lean steeple]

The amount of effort/skill you have to put in to killing a ranger is way less than a ranger has to put in. Simple as that. Projectiles move to fast/long, do too much damage.
It's obvious they are OP, since they are overrepresented in normal team maps

[loud onyx]

can we talk about the no counter play to a bard in goblin caves with a crossbow and just throwing drums at people to kill them 1-2 hits

[indigo ginkgo]

Break time, get up and move around people. Don't be fat lumps. The commies will come and cook you up!!

[tame dirge]

And man there is not a problem to be blind to wants like yours will lead to a horrible experience in game buff the fighter like crazy so then it will be lobby’s full of fighters who will done you still then you’ll be back here saying the fighter is too strong

[tropic temple]

Can we stop talking about balance already the devs knows it and they're working on it

[arctic tendon]

Bows do need a nerf they health they deal is insane. I had our blue kit ranger 2 shot by another ranger. Instant murder

[ivory cedar]

Okay, when’s the wipe?

[cerulean dagger]

PDR stacking fighters were nerfed recently, i bet he wasn't complaining then and thought things were totally balanced as he tanked everything like it was nothing.... Oh wait, that actually required having money for decent gear and this guy thinks crossbows are too expensive to bring along (even though he has so many issues with rangers).

[warm basin]

i reinstalled the game and now i cant use discord keybinds in the game. anyone got ideas?

[tame dirge]

Right and man crossbows are all he needs to bring in to help that I run a cross bow on rogue and bard and fighter like it’s an amazing weapon to deal with range

[devout yacht]

no one else PISSED at the spelling error in the loading tips??

[merry stag]

Probably because discord is not being used in administrator mode

[warm basin]

never had to do that before tho

[woeful gorge]

dark and darker players try not to hate the classes that kill them challenge 😳

[rapid lance]

since a lot of people dont like the lvl 15 trader, what would people think about lobbies being split by Trader/No trader? no level restriction, only having access to the trader decides the lobby you queue into?

[arctic tendon]

Ranged is way too strong right now as a general. Cross bows/ bows/ fireball. It’s just cheesy

[civic fog]

IWeakpont attack gives 50% damage buff AND 40% armor shread????????? HOW DOES ANYONE DEFEND THIS BROKEN SHIT?

[lean steeple]

at least fireball travels slowly. Ranged attacks is pretty much instant. You just peak around a corner and take away >25% of their hp

[tame dirge]

Wouldn’t that still split the lobby’s as In everyone 15 and under who can’t trade would be together and everyone who can 15 and above would be together?

[flint plank]

Its quite easy to do that sadly, they either get very lucky, or they play with lvl 15+ a bit, get max loot then they come back in lvl -15 lobby

[honest token]

Powerful

[spare elbow]

No you could choose not to enter trader channel and stay in the no trader lobbies

[limber badge]

I've seen a few sub-15's getting carried in 15+ crypts already

[hot fable]

No chance you said fireball is cheesy

[rapid lance]

not if you remove the lvl restriction. as in a lvl 20 can opt to not use trader and be in lobbys with other people without trader access

[tame dirge]

Hmmm I honestly hope they just remove the trade channel all together for a bit just to see

[honest token]

As soon as you que with a 15+ you should be perma removed from the low lvl bracket!!!!

[tropic temple]

that sounds cool

[runic delta]

Anyone know of any word to add a separate button for self casting? Next time I haste a dead body I'm going to jump off a cliff

[rapid lance]

seems like the logical distinction for people complaining about gear to be separate by trader access, instead of level

[woeful gorge]

look up

[cerulean dagger]

It really seems like people don't understand game balancing and specifically balancing in a modern product. First of all it is Early Access and a) the class system isn't fully complete and the skill tree will likely make all balancing done now essentially a waste of time, b) there is still a very small roster of classes which will expand and further throw balance into disarray and c) modern game companies have discovered it is best to have a cycle of buffs and nerfs and making 1 class/hero overtuned for a period of time and then changing things up to keep the meta constantly changing and keep players interested in trying out the "new changes". So if your class is underpowered give it some time and I am sure it will become OP in a matter of time and those with the strong classes, well just look at the changes of class strength during the play tests to get an idea of the massive shifts that are in store.

[honest token]

DELETE trade!

[high nebula]

Why did they listen? I wouldn't know

[runic delta]

Soemtimes looking up means you'll end up punching the ceiling instead of casting, I dont see why self casting couldnt just be a button you press while holding the cast

[arctic tendon]

20 foot splash radius. What’s ur favorite cheese? It’s double

[devout yacht]

fireball is 100% cheesy

[civic fog]

FB splash range is like two players LMAO

[tame dirge]

Weak point with ambush combo

[hot fable]

No way hahaha

[cerulean dagger]

Agreed, I hope they make that change and I hope one day you can hotkey your various spells but I don't know if they want the current spell switching system to be part of the "skill expression" for casters

[wild moon]

hey is bannable if you plan a team while youre in the game lobby? i just got killed by 4 people teaming in goblin caves and i got a video of them talking about ganging up on me

[tame dirge]

Bait much?

[midnight pecan]

how many capes did you have on you?

[torn imp]

guys i just logged in and played ranger and I didn't automatically win every fight what am i doing wrong?

[wild moon]

i didnt have a cape i was basically a naked wizard witha green crystal orb lol

[tame dirge]

Gotta just fight fighters apparently they have 0 chance vs ranger

[wild moon]

idk what the policy on teaming is so im just going around asking because i heard that pre planning is bannable but im not sure what counts as pre planned or not

[limber badge]

Lmao just anihillated a ranger as a fighter, franny axes goes brrrrr

[errant steeple]

Trade has to be in the game in some capacity otherwise it will just be a mess of people dropping gear for each other and teaming. Limit trade to 10 buys per day

[midnight pecan]

the pre-planning policy is usually planning before lobbies, you can do whatever you want once you're in game, so unless you can prove they queued together as friends in like multiple games, not sure how you can prove that

[runic delta]

I think spell switching should still be skill expressive, I just don't think the self casting as it is contributes to that in a meaningful way.

[cyan crane]

deffo no ranger nerf next patch like always, bard gonna get gutted too even with all the bard nerfs

[wild moon]

oh ok so you can plan a team basically in the waiting lobby D: feels bad

[tame dirge]

Pre lobby idk if it’s super pre planned unless they were trying to get in a game together to team me and my friends there’s 4 so we go into duos sometimes but man we just talk Shit and try and kill each other right away we never team it’s more fun to kill each other

[wild moon]

honestly im fine with you meeting random people and teaming but 1 vs 4 just felt horrible. thats a good way to play tho lol

[half vessel]

Give clerics franchiscas

[crisp crypt]

wtf is going on with the game my pc is fucking struggling and itss a fking 3090

[cyan crane]

fr, 0 range while EVERY other class has some sorta range

[wild moon]

i feel like a crossbow wouldnt be a bad addition to clerics

[plain marsh]

holy strike. earthquake. locust swarm

[tame dirge]

Yea like if there’s 4 in a discord go in naked so you don’t lose gear but if you get in together you can kill each other it’s too fun and yea 4v1 is ass I would be mad too

[subtle abyss]

can they update t his game lmao

[bronze ember]

so true

[split lynx]

We need a wipe dude, this game is literally not even fun to play.

Every single lobby in Goblin Caves has 1-2 kitted players, every single time. Its just not even enjoyable.
Wipe like every 10 days or make changes so that the game recovers more slowly. I know this is just my opinion, but it's not even enjoyable playing against turbo-sweats that one tap you and don't take damage. You don't get the actually enjoy the game.

Wipe it every 2 weeks baby bring back the fun.

[drifting hinge]

I been looking at announcement last hours haha, dont think update will come today 😄

[cyan crane]

im talking about crossbows, franciscas, throwing knives, besides they have a short ass "range" if u call it, every item i mentioned goes 50x further

[plain marsh]

franciscas dont really go that far.

[half vessel]

They can easily go across a room. Hard to aim far but they can go pretty far

[wild moon]

theyre close enough to land whena wizard is zapping tho, i feel all classes should have the range to hit a wizard zapping

[cyan crane]

further than the spells mate

[tame dirge]

Remove trade to get rid of gold sellers and there will be less kits

[bronze ember]

try not to scream at the game cause its still in EA. ps somehow relate it to rust or smth challenge

[timid sky]

^^^^^^

[hot fable]

Then kill them and get loot

[plain marsh]

holy strike can hit a zaping wizard

[warped belfry]

Still laughing at people whining about geared players in a game about extracting gear. Wear some gear yourself it is not that hard.

[wild moon]

yeah but the charge up and damage is lacking compared to zaps

[pulsar galleon]

Give warlock the ability to pick up and huck rocks at people

[plain marsh]

you can 3 shot a wizard with it it's not that bad. cleric isnt even a damage dealing class. it's a support class. these are awful takes. cleric is in a great spot. it's probably a little too strong, and you're talking about making it stronger lol

[weak umbra]

1-14 que is so easy, it feels like im playing farming simulator but with gold instead of crops 0 challenge at all

[wild moon]

i play wizard and not once have they been able to cast more than 2 holy strikes on me. Idk how other classes feel but i just feel like im kicking a child

[woeful gorge]

Though your ideas are terrible, they are so much better than what I have seen in here . However amputating a foot if you walk into a bear trap should def be a feature.

[plain marsh]

clerics arent supposed to win that fight though.

[hot fable]

So the support class that can heal and give good buffs should out damage the dedicated magic damage class with magic?

[wild moon]

actually a good point lol, i was just thinking in terms of goblin caves but thats true

[tame dirge]

If it’s earned there’s no issue but there is a lot of people buying gold at least it seems that way there’s gold sellers in every trade channel every time you can tell we ran into a fighter dude literally had keys multiple in his inventory he got clapped and then a few matches later dude had basically the same gear on he had legandarys too both times I saw him

[pulsar galleon]

Thank you. I’m just trying to fit in. Agree, and they should scream real loud

[formal moon]

Bard is still OP and needs more nerfs lpl

[plain marsh]

this is almost as bad as the person who thought that cleric should be able to beat barbs 1v1 . @wild moon game is never going to be balanced for solos. balancing it for solos like that just makes the game worse.

[woeful gorge]

should also leave a trail of blood so that anybody can follow them when they run away

[timid sky]

imo trade should be removed completely to alleviate the effects of gold sellers. Rework the merchant system so players can gear up at various tiers without needing player to player trade.

[hot fable]

Goblin caves won’t ever be balanced which does suck but also it’s a 3v3 game first

[weak umbra]

Imagine people enjoying 1-14 que, you escape once and that's all. you have merch set and just kill everybody. no trading, no gear hunting, no hiding just escape once buy a kit and w key into everyone. you seriously enjoy this? it lacks like 80% of game mechanics. after escaping once you did everything that is avaliable to do

[tame dirge]

Never 1v1 a barb lol shoot them or throw knives or drums and run away

[formal moon]

Players will just drop trade

[fluid kelp]

Can we nerf ranger today or????

[wild moon]

i just wanted the potential for outplay for every class. I dont play 3v3 too often because my friends are a bit lackluster in this game but yeah thats a valid point. That'd make the game way too identical in terms of comps

[hot fable]

No I think wizards getting nerfed next

[worthy fog]

It’s going to be something with quests and vendors tiers like tarkov

[formal moon]

Not hyped for that

[tame dirge]

Yea but it’s alot harder to do that you still gotta find all the uniques and fund gear with perfect roles for your build much harder than just buying it

[warped belfry]

yes, those are the worst of the casuals plaguing this game

[slender fern]

why the fuck does ironmace just not care about the melee experience at all anymore, u can only really have fun playing rogue now and thats just bc its so easy to invis cheese and get kills

[tame dirge]

Yea it’s awful there’s no way some people are getting lucky enough to have the gear they have or have the money to just buy these god kits every time they die and you can just tell a good player who earned there kit and someone who bought it

[formal moon]

In concvienancing everyone for a small group is never smart

[woeful gorge]

The next Rogue Hater challenger approaches

[weak umbra]

Imagine playing something different than rogue, ranger and eventually wizard

[tame dirge]

True idk how they fix it but there’s a huge huge gear imbalance that needs a bit of change

[warped belfry]

[pulsar galleon]

It’s been like 8 minutes since someone has wrote an essay about X class

[woeful gorge]

Just you wait

[frail spire]

I think casual players significantly underestimate how much richer good players are than them one month into a wipe. These players farm bosses day 1 and fill stash with legendary items day 1. One month in they are holding 50 keys I'm value. That's over a million gold. This isn't just rmt. It's just reality of how much more a hard-core plays than a casual.

[hot fable]

Start talking shit on warlocks

[formal moon]

Wizard has always been the most op class. Can 1 shot anyone. @tame dirge that will always happen in looter extractors. Nature of competent gamers vs incompetent

[warm rune]

Yeah I know people giving away keys because they don't have room for them.

[warped belfry]

did no one watch onepegs QA video?

[woeful gorge]

People gonna start complaining about druid before it's in the game 😳

[devout yacht]

no one likes onepeg because he sensationalizing every little thing

[spare elbow]

For real like nobody is talking about this. The fact that they can just cheese everyone is rediculous. Nobody even has a chance to fight when they get the drop on you. Which is obviously inevitable given their kit. Idk what ironmace is thinking at this point like just throw balance out the window and make one class the clear choice if you want easy wins. I dont see how this game is even playable anymore. Time to go back to (insert boring game here).

[hot fable]

Can’t 1 shot Barb 99% of the time

[slender fern]

its all you can do lmao, either ranged only or cheese kills melee with rogue, fighter and barb just arent the same as they used to be, literally feels unplayable in some situations

[frail spire]

I think casual players significantly underestimate how much richer good players are than them one month into a wipe. These players farm bosses day 1 and fill stash with legendary items day 1. One month in they are holding 50 keys I'm value. That's over a million gold. This isn't just swiping. It's just reality of how much more a hard-core plays than a casual.

Game just needs a wipe for a while now

[weak umbra]

dogshit class, its unplayable

[tame dirge]

Oh I get it just never seen one this bad I play a lot of marauders as well and you find kitted players here and there not always though

[tired pulsar]

day 41 of waiting on rogue nerfs

[warm rune]

Druid really does need a nerf though its not okay

[unreal acorn]

Game just needs weekly wipe

[warped belfry]

i dont feel like he does that at all, especially when he is reading the devs answers to questions people ask repeatedly

[formal moon]

The strongest highest hp class, thaya about it. @tame dirge clearly never played tarkov

[pulsar galleon]

Yea YES

[devout yacht]

thought you didn' tplay the game anymore? kek

[weak umbra]

also im not a fan of having 65% ms to be usefull just play rogue and poke with rapier

[warm rune]

Yeah until we get more content shorter wipes will be better.

[woeful gorge]

Honestly, Druid might be one of the most op classes in the game, the fact that I can turn into a wolf and sniff out rogues out of invis, such a broken class. Now I can even turn into a bird and fly to the top of the map so all the rogues are crying about them not being the only ones able now. What's next, turning into a bear and drinking an invis pot? smh.

[spare elbow]

Mauraders has a small playerbase and several completely seperate points of interest to further divide players away from eachother. I think both factors reduce the odds youll see a much more “kitted” player than you. Also good gear is easier to find in that game so your gear difference is not as huge generally

[tame dirge]

And no I never played tarkov didn’t have an interest in it marauders was my first extraction looter

[pulsar galleon]

I’m on my Druid right now im shifted into bear form I got a harem of oiled up goblins on me down here in the caves

[warped belfry]

I haven't...what is your point

[formal moon]

If thats the case, you're not very experienced. Which is why you should probably play the game instead of make suggestions

[slender fern]

literaly at least 5 out of every 9 people in my goblin caves runs have been rogue, and most likely the rest ranger or mage lol

[arctic tendon]

Ya high end players buy named items for like 20-40 keys it’s crazy

[warm rune]

Play bard all the rogues die

[desert flame]

join as group not enter solo???? what is is

[static frost]

Tarkov has almost 0 similarities to this game. Only loot. And extract, and even the extracts is a different format

[shadow patrol]

Also all you need is a good gun and you can 1-3 headshot anyone
Armor helps but not enough to stop you dying if you get jumped

[tame dirge]

This is true i mean I’ve been kitted and lost and been kitted and done well but lately I’ve been seeing kits that are out of this world I’ve seen kits with multiple legendarys puts my blue and purple kits to shame

[slender fern]

not when they are completely invis and camping until u walk right next to them with a blue dagger, not much to do in that scenario

[loud creek]

I think a huge difference in why people dont complain as much in Marauders compared to here is because

Headshots HURT in Marauders, and you can definitely kill geared players with trash weapons so long as you have better aim

Here, the gear disparity is much more apparent- you can aim for the head all you want but the stats on items are too ridiculous to matter

[warm rune]

Din of darkness pops then out of stealth and you can move faster then them so you can wait out there buffs

[woeful gorge]

you should turn into the zebra, he can gets instrinsic hide, fireball, zap, chain lightning, weakpoint, poison, rupture, holy light, achillies strike, war cry, sprint, and second wind.

[tame dirge]

We’ll buddy this isn’t tarkov 😂 how long have you played i was here during play test 1 bud so in this game yes I do have experience so just because you’ve been a tarkov sweat for years doesn’t make you all of a sudden an expert on every looter extraction game

[warm rune]

Its annoying but if you play Din in every room you aren't getting killed by rogues anymore.

[slender fern]

ion really play barb much, just fighter, so thats prolly why im pressed about rogues rn, but either way melee is dead in DnD rn, unless u consider rogues spammy dps as "melee"

[woeful gorge]

just simply dont walk into a rogue? not that hard (I have just caused an uproar, i forgot this playerbase doesnt understand satire)

[formal moon]

Trading, boss, loot, wipes, and large pops. Why you see the same issues in both

[spare elbow]

Yea i hit a cleric 8 times yesterday and i swear 3-4 were heads and i was doing 50 plus to dummies on heads in preobby and he didn’t drop checked their armor and it wasnt even that high, mustve somehow got mostly limb hits idk.

[limber verge]

Does anyone know of a trading oriented discord?

[civic fog]

What if you dont see him stealth? What if the zone is pushing you? What if another enemy is chasing you? Such a dumb point in this game.

[warm rune]

I said Bard as in the guy that plays music.

[limber badge]

Met a friendly ranger for once, pretty nice.

[timid sky]

The problem will only get worse as the g sellers develop more efficient methods of hacking just to farm gold. And as more players buy gold because its dirt cheap, the economy will also suffer due to inflation etc. (i'm assuming). trade elimination is the only solution IMO. there's ways to rework and expand the merchant system that fits the feel of the game and allows players to slowly gear up with successful extracts other than from looting gear from other players

[formal moon]

Not really as the suggestion "just remove trade and do X" is as naive as it is ignorant

[slender fern]

nah fuck that im not playing bard 💀

[drifting hinge]

Remove trade and you get a more interesting game

[warm rune]

Its really the only class that counters rogues right now. Once you get a little bit of will and knowledge you don't have to buff up that often either.

[tame dirge]

Yea didn’t think much about that but your right and there isn’t classes so no need this class nerf that the classes here will make it harder to balance

[static frost]

Just because you don't agree doesn't make it naive or ignorant. Saying so kinda makes you seem pretty ignorant. There is several possible ways to implement progression and remove trade if the devs wanted. It just wouldn't make you happy is all

[formal moon]

Removing trade will just give cheaters more avenues to but and sell and create 3rd Party sites @static frost

[loud creek]

There needs to be SBMM based on the veteran adventurer calculation (from high roller leaderboard) for normal runs which puts us in brackets

Keep HR the way it is, anything goes there and shouldnt be subject to any matchmaking brackets

Games fixed, you are welcome Ironmace

[honest token]

DELETE trade!!

[warm rune]

The only geared people that are tanky is DR fighters rest the classes die in few hits.

[tame dirge]

Hey do yourself a favor and redact your way out of this chat

[abstract nimbus]

hey guys is there any way to get items "price checked " ? 😄

[limber verge]

Go post this on reddit!!!1

[timid sky]

What avenues? Care to give an example?

[formal moon]

Just bad suggestion from a buncha newbies to the genre whom are suggestion something worse than they're capable of realizing. @timid sky third party forums / website s

[pulsar galleon]

Undo the yassification of female elf and cleric

[spare elbow]

I think the better solution is to better incentivize high roller as a viable option for more players somehow, so higher gear gets naturally filtered up.

[tame dirge]

That’s a great idea actually lol like an average could be a good website if you know how to do it

[static frost]

"Newbies" this guy has spent his thousands of hours on tarkov in a bush.

[loud creek]

i think a key issue is not how inaccessible most gear is, but how knowledgeable players can be and over relying on gear

[warm rune]

Its kind disingenuous to act like tarkov has no similarity's to this game.

[sand zenith]

I’ve been running divine protection on my eco runs which gives you 30% pdr for four seconds, combine that with bard buff and gray plate and you hit a 70% pdr buff with deceptively no gear on cleric.

[formal moon]

Bet I have more characters with higher crypts leaderboards standings than you do to a main

[static frost]

Very few in actual game play. Not even close. Cmon we aint in the woods sniping ppl.

[limber badge]

On ruins with a crossbow I'm doin' just that!

[warm rune]

Lol what a low iq take.

[tame dirge]

Yea no sbmm though

[static frost]

Okay Mr high IQ, tell me. How are they similar. Beyond looting and extracting

[weak umbra]

[limber badge]

"What is 2 + 2 and don't tell me it's 4."

[tame dirge]

Bandages both games have bandages hahahahaha

[formal moon]

Sure , this game doesn't have guns. However most other metas in tarkov are thr same here. Rat runs, juicing with a team. Loads of healing items

[sacred spruce]

I'm hearing Carl's voice every time I read your posts

[limber badge]

We goin' back to the friggin' past or what

[warped belfry]

[tame dirge]

So every game with healing is the same?

[static frost]

If you have a pea brain that only wants to look at the surface. And not go in depth on each, then yea sure they are the same game. Have a good day lol

[spare elbow]

Yeah As long as there is high incentive to run normals there will be geared people there. At the moment the simplest and most popular solution ive seen is kill trade. Or have permanent trader/non trader queues instead of being automatically dropped on higher queue at 15

[pulsar galleon]

Orc brains are getting restless in chat. Devs need to put the pacifier (new patch ) back in

[sacred spruce]

Yyyyeeeaaah!

[tame dirge]

Agreed

[warped belfry]

and killing trade is not even a popular solution

[warm rune]

Tarkov had the same issues this game is having right now. If you look beyond tarkov having guns. There's a ton of stuff related to looting/extracting that correlates to this game.

[arctic tendon]

Can’t kill the economy- one thing helping replay value

[formal moon]

There you go making naive / ignorant statements. Proving your opinion is invalid

[rapid vapor]

How do you guys feel about Warlock potentially getting summon and npc control spells? The fantasy seems very cool, but how do you guys think it'll fit in balance wise

[static frost]

Surface level similarities is what im saying.

[pulsar galleon]

I’m going to mind control a goblin which will be ignored by the fighter who will charge and 1bop my exposed noggin instead

[sacred ice]

how did they solve the gear disparity issue?

[warm rune]

Its not surface level when the base of the game is looting/extracting the devs would save a lot of time if they just looked at past tarkov updates.

[limber badge]

Bard technically has mind control already, making mobs beat the crap out of each other. The summon sounds neat but idk how you'd do it and make it good

[obtuse fern]

I wish there was more ways in melee for skill : blocking, interrupts, parrys, ripostes in the way the long sword has.

[vital shoal]

this game is dying lolll

[warm rune]

Gear disparity is always gonna be in a looter/extraction.

[limber badge]

I keep saying it but Warlock needs a anti-buff skill, to counter buff-balls and Clerics.

[tame dirge]

It wasn’t my statement friend it was yours you were asked to explain how it’s similar to tarkov and you have no answer besides very generic and surface level game mechanics such as healing items your making the simple minded statements I’m just enjoying watching you struggle to make actual deeper connections to tarkov

[static frost]

Gear disparity in tarkov is so different tho, 1 bullet is the balancing factor in a fight lol

[rapid vapor]

The way it was worded suggests you may directly control the mob though. Or at least thats how I read it

[formal moon]

I do, you just lack reading comprehension

[spare elbow]

I said most popular opinion to help balance out gear disparity and the issue of lobsters being more incentivized to run normals over HR. I didn’t say it was overall a popular opinion among the whole playerbase, just among people who think there should be a solution to the issue.

[fluid kelp]

They deserve it too

[worthy abyss]

i see they nee to add lobsters

[static frost]

This game doesn't have a balancing factor, so gear disparity feels much more obvious. And feels terrible

[formal moon]

I've made the connections with the metas being the exact same and somehow you read one line of that and turn into to something I didn't say. @tame dirge

[warm rune]

Its more of class difference then anything if I counter your class it doesn't matter if you have good gear.

[rough flicker]

I feel like this is a good idea, but may effectively split the population and could (when the hype dies down) increase queue times/get empty lobbies

[limber badge]

I think the answer to gear disparity is reduce the damage output of high-end items a bit. It was nerfed already, and needs to be nerfed more.
Not even including stat bonuses, a grey double axe can hit 25 less damage than a purple double axe. 25 damage is insane alone, and we aren't even including bonuses from stat rolls.

[static frost]

Yea thats fair. Hopefully in the future it is something more in depth and skill related than that tho.

[sacred ice]

hm. I‘m probably not following then. is the discussion currently about how DaD could learn from Tarkov or whether DaD and Tarkov are comparable?

[spare elbow]

Yeah having a full split might not work rn bc there are too many lobby options as well. There would need to be a larger player pool or less map options. Alternatively killing trade altogether wouldn’t split the players up anymore, but i think a lot of people would hate this too.

[warm rune]

Both I guess.

[limber badge]

As it stands now, HR/leaderboard gameplay is deleting the enemy team in one or two hits.
I've been loving 1-14 because fights are drawn out, require positioning, skill, playing footsies and trading blows. I run 15+ with my trio in crypts and it's just "Who can hit the delete button faster with your wizard and barb"

[warm rune]

The game has a lack of content which is the main issue right now. If we had more higher end content people wouldn't be stuck on 2 different modes.

[drifting hinge]

I don't give a f if balance is 100%, what I care about is having fun even if I lose

[dry shuttle]

i need help with my game settings, side edges of my screen are cut-off, also when i'm in the merchant the shops are lined up 5-5-2 and i have to scroll instead of it showing 6-6, any ideas on how to solve?

[sacred ice]

I completely agree on that. it‘s almost impossible to balance rock-paper-scissors classes for 1v1 and 3v3 simultaneously.

[tame dirge]

How are the meta connected at all this is a class based game the metas in this game are classes with individual mechanics and abilities does tarkov have that and it just seems like you don’t have a lot of evidence to the point in which your trying to present but it’s okay man I mean I Bet you have more characters with higher crypts leaderboards standings than I do 😂

[limber badge]

what is your screen resolution?

[sacred ice]

fortunately the devs agree on that.

[woven flax]

Check your resolution and scaling settings, make sure they match your monitor

[tame dirge]

Idk if I would have put almost it seems impossible maybe they can get it close but one will probably always be a little unbalanced

[austere geyser]

I must be dumb because I can not figure out how to dodge centipede poison, I try to stay behind it but I'm not fast enough for how fast it turns around.

[white gust]

Question: I was recording my recent Dark and darker session but it did not pick up other players talking. Is there a way to fix that?

[dry shuttle]

1680x1050

[warm rune]

We need to stop giving a fuck about balance so they can add content this game is stale right now

[drifting hinge]

Yep

[tame dirge]

Hmmmmm your not wrong more content would be nice

[static frost]

I think alot of people could over look some of the balance issues with more content for sure

[warm rune]

The playercount really doesn't matter until the game is more fleshed out.

[spare ferry]

i hate the design of unavoidable floor traps
in an area like no space round the side or too jump
its trash design imo

[tame dirge]

Idk for sure but it should be inside the settings of the program your recording with

[white gust]

True. Traps could be a bit more managable

[limber badge]

Does changing your resolution to that in-game not fix your issue?

[dry shuttle]

what are the scaling settings?
In windowed fullscreen i cant change the resolution, in fullscreen i figured now i can 'fix' it going 1600x900 but it looks ugly

[hard wharf]

@austere geyser most consistent way I’ve dodged the spit is to stay close left of its head

[white gust]

@tame dirge thanks ill check it out @austere geyser circle circle circle the centipede

[warm rune]

You need decent movespeed and then alternate strafing left and right on each centipede attack and the poison won't hit you.

[tame dirge]

Np I use stream labs a lot and I’m pretty sure I actually have a sound input just for voices so I can turn them up and down vs the game sound let me know what you find though I could be wrong I need to look at my recordings to see if it picking it up

[sacred ice]

yeah, almost impossible is a bit harsh. but having a class which can maximize PDR only by having a low magic resistance is a balancing decision to allow for a counter against max. PDR.

[white gust]

@tame dirge I use OBS currently, ill check out streamlabs though for sure, Im sure OBS has a feature I just have no clue how to use it lol

[weak umbra]

i saw someone crouching and looking down right in front of centipede and it worked

[warm rune]

Ill have to try that out

[peak crypt]

I don’t know about needing decent move speed, tbh. I’ve beat that thing to death as cleric with a staff many times. The poison hitbox is jsut weird as hell and in my experience you just need to move later than what feels intuitive

[dry shuttle]

no, in windowed fullsreen i can't change it, in fullscreen i can change it but it looks clunky, in windowed only i can 'fix' it by going 1366 *768, but then the game is only using like 2/3rds of my screen, any other ideas?

[peak crypt]

1680x1050 bro that monitor is old lol

[woven flax]

Hmmm, did you have this issue before or is it just now showing up for the first time? I'm not sure of next things to check, if it has always been the case maybe your monitor is just too small? Try that resolution that looks bad but works and go to Settings>video> rendering scale and pump it to 200?

[dry shuttle]

I only bought the game last week, so has always been the case

[woven flax]

Yea, not 100% sure but sounds like your monitor is too small for the current settings the game supports =/ if thats not the case I'm out of ideas. Typically this is an issue with the UI not having a scaling option on small displays.

[dry shuttle]

I can try on my other monitor but i feel like gaming on 27" is too big :/, would have 2560x1440

I also don't see the rendering scale option

[woven flax]

I have the same monitor size, if you can just get some extra distance between your eyes and the screen. "Scales it down to size with physical zoom" lmao

[torn imp]

i put my armor on show you how strong I aaaaaam 🎶

[woven flax]

Its a slider way at the bottom of video settings, might be clipping off screen if you are having UI scaling issues. If not, then you are having issues way above my pay grade and I'll be of no help lmao.

[limber badge]

RIP the warlock that thought phantomize protects against fireball

[proven prawn]

is it only eu or does the lobbies feel super sweaty since the character lvl change

[limber badge]

I would try that other monitor but unfortunately I think that resolution you're using now is just being funky

[gritty flume]

How to fix stutter that makes it impossible to aim?

[dry shuttle]

the slider is part of one of the anti-aliasing options, but go figure it works correctly on the other monitor, guess i'll have to switch 😦

thanks for all the helps guys!

[sullen bronze]

Hey purple geared rogues in GC rocking half an inventory worth of consumables. Is picking a random hallway to sit all game waiting for the loot fairy to walk through the door so you can 1shot him actually fun? I died super early as a naked skelly rogue w/ smokebomb (traditional first game of the day) and got to watch an entire 8 minutes of one of you only moving to stay in zone. Is that just high efficiency farming or does that feel like rewarding pvp?

[formal moon]

Other than the evidence I have to repeat time and time again. However you prefer to create strawmen and argue against something no one has even said. Which proves time and time again, your opinions are as close to being invalid as possible

[unborn linden]

Hey just cause I'm lvl 20 osnt mean I'm good, it means I've looted alot. I'm now getting destroyed in all lobbies cause of the new lvl 15 player lobbies. I hate this. It also doesn't stop people from bringing in crazy gear to the free lobbies. Definitely more frustrating now as I still get clapped by nakeds cause I suck. Realistically I'm on par with lvl 5s

[formal moon]

That's how you grind loot as a bad player. Can't stop baddies from having an overwhelming advantage because they can't play 3v3s or hrs

[white lance]

The people who were lvl 10 and already trading were grandfathered into trade exist in the sub 15 lobbies.

[signal osprey]

waiting for the right time to strike is always satisfactory… but the rogue your speaking off def sounds like a loser LOL

[opal breach]

so easy you could program bots to do it….wait…..

[tired pulsar]

day 41 of waiting for rogue nerfs

[torn imp]

Open discussion: Warlocks. Are they Pisswizards?

[hard wharf]

I just think ambush shouldn’t activate just after leaving stealth cause rogues use it and get a 50% damage Buff instantly

[boreal island]

I liked Ironmace's answer about invis/haste. I think making it a self buff only should be a last resort, and its much less interesting. Try balance it as it is first

[subtle heart]

Create no trade league! Do it now! Graysun do it today as soon as you can everyone wants it and the game is trash without it. Thank you

[dry gyro]

Hey guys, I just have a quick question - does having a red nickname (reports for teamkilling etc.) affect anything besides a color of my nickname?

[signal osprey]

its not just ambush its ambush paired with weakpoint and other perks. ambush would be fine if you didnt have a 65% armor penetration and ignore 15% of there phys dam reduction. weakpoint needa a rework.

[last spoke]

TAKE AWAY RANGER FIELD RATIONS WHY DO THEY GET MORE HEALTH BUFF THAN FIGHTER WHO IS RANGE. Tbh only fighter and cleric should give health. Rangers are broken. They also need damage drop off

[warped belfry]

[subtle heart]

Create no trade league! Do it now! Graysun do it today as soon as you can everyone wants it and the game is trash without it. Thank you

[hard wharf]

@signal osprey I agree but ambush shouldn’t insta activate either especially with weak points existence

[signal osprey]

see i like that. create a seperate map/mode for people to play as greys instead of removing trade entirely

[civic hornet]

Nerfing it could be a good start

[warped belfry]

you spelled no one wants it wrong, if you dont want to trade then don't

[half vessel]

Should only be usable while resting

[last spoke]

Not even nerf, why do rangers have health buffs when they are a “range” class. Take away the rations and add damage drop off and they will be balanced other than that it’s kinda broken

[signal osprey]

like i said ambush wouldnt be an issue if it didnt have its supporting perks and ability. any game that had a rogue esq class always has some sort of quick burst damage out of stealth. the problem with DaD rogue is that its too much damage out of stealth.

[warped belfry]

they are not healing buffs, they are items. Its not that big of a deal.

[last spoke]

They grant health, they get 75% total health, a fighter gets 50%. They have range- that doesn’t drop off. It’s obvi a problem when majority of players are playing one class because it’s broken

[woeful moss]

a bit wrong, they dont get 25 % / each food, they get 25 points that s a big difference

[last spoke]

So what is a rangers total health points

[woeful moss]

scale on strenght how mutch u have, its also different

[warped belfry]

And Barbs get 0% whats your point? Rangers also have low HP. like 85 i think

Fighters also have range....so again what is your point

[torn imp]

Rangers also could have low level cleric spells, so lets just like y'know calm down

[warped belfry]

also true lol

[limber badge]

Truly no worse feeling than hitching right as you cast a spell so it just fades into the ether

[warped belfry]

oh ya a fighter has a 50% heal AND 2 bandages

[last spoke]

My point is rangers are broken, everyone knows it. People go into trios as all rangers or duos. Most boss kills are by rangers #development. So let me put it in terms you can understand “call of duty- 1 gun kills everyone quickly, everyone uses said gun because it’s op, then nerf to balance” simple enough?

[torn imp]

Skill issue

[warped belfry]

Most people do not use rangers...it takes a lot more than 1 shot, is easily strafed, shooting leaves you vulnerable to melee. Skill issue

[last spoke]

According to #development you’re wrong LMAOOOO go read the stats before you argue..comprehension issue

[sacred ice]

you might wanna check the dates of the posts in #development

[warped belfry]

are you really referencing stats from 4 months ago?

[limber sable]

i’m the best

[last spoke]

They were broken with no ammo count other than that nothing has changed

[sacred ice]

many things have changed.

[warped belfry]

I would expect a dog to have more intelligence. Any way why are you crying about it here?

[last spoke]

So you can assume based on given data if a class that is overwhelmingly used is not nerfed other than campfire and ammo count that it will still be the same

[indigo tundra]

Your high if you think ranger is hard. Rats that can't aim already suck at ranger if you have someone with half a brain you'll never get too them with obnoxious trap placements

[frosty valve]

oh nice i killed that MattGonzGodTTV in a legit 1v1

[last spoke]

Honestly it’s not a skill issue, it’s a balancing issue. I like ranger because it’s op that’s the problem. It seems as if you guys main ranger only and don’t want it nerfed as it should be

[warped belfry]

Same scenario wether I play them or not, my shots get strafed or I strafe the shots. Fighters and Barbs should have no problem. And when are you having time to place these traps?

[last spoke]

Bro said why am I discussing broken classes in #game-discussion LMAO

[warm rune]

Wizard should be able to use shields

[sacred ice]

no you cannot. other classes got introduced and balancing has happened around other classes, influencing the position of rangers in comparison to others. you also might have missed that bow damage got reduced

[warped belfry]

you werent discussing anything. you were malding

[last spoke]

All caps malding? Or it gets seen and replies to and traction✅

[sacred ice]

wizards should be able to use crossbows!

[limber badge]

I can't tell if this is a joke or not

[dry gyro]

they can

[limber sable]

wizards can shoot fireballs

[sullen bronze]

wizards should also be able to use daggers and staves

[warped belfry]

considering everything youve said is wrong, you arent getting much traction lol

[sacred ice]

[indigo tundra]

Your a scrub if you asking what time there is in a match

[warped belfry]

so you cant answer, and just insult

[last spoke]

Damage reduction isn’t really a nerf, when gear is introduced. It’s the point they are able to basically heal 3 times, and shoot from half court and deal same damage. I think that heals should be reduced, and they should add damage drop off to bows/crossbows. Wizards were op they got nerfed. In my personal opinion no class should have any heals,(cleric is there for a reason) loot like reds, surg, bandages. I don’t get rolled by rangers that’s not why I’m complying. It’s just a broken class and I want the game to run smoothly

[indigo tundra]

I can I'm saying your skill isn't high enough to have enough information to even come to a real conclusion

[last spoke]

Considering you’re still replying and the data proved my point you’re still wrong 🤣🤣

[warped belfry]

So when Im rushing a ranger trying to shoot me, they are placing traps at the same time?

[indigo tundra]

Then you've never played a good ranger and it shows they should have pre put a trap and Bait you into it

[warped belfry]

oh yes, your 4.5 month old data sure proved your point

[sacred ice]

wait. are you saying you would like to remove the heal skill from the fighter?

[last spoke]

4.5 month date with the only change being a small damage nerf, and removal of campfires yeah that’s like saying wizards are broken 4 months ago—-no change/small change…. Wizards would still be op 4 months later. You must really have no comprehension skills

[warped belfry]

yes pre trapping while you are moving to the circle, which is why you are running into another player to begin with

[indigo tundra]

Your brain obviously can't comprehend

[limber sable]

i have a brain

[lime cloud]

ppl in this chat dont know shit about numbers or math rangers get 75 health over the course of a match not 75% 😭 keep crying about another class while using false points to fuel your agenda

[last spoke]

In my personal opinion yeah, clerics are their for a reason but most fighters would disagree

[torn imp]

ay bro whats your favorite subreddit?

[warped belfry]

I know, he still thinks he is right though

[last spoke]

Whether or not it’s 75 points or percent it’s still three heals LOL

[sullen bronze]

right its actually 81% with base orc ranger

[sacred ice]

ok. so in order to improve balance in the game no class, except for the cleric, should be able to have a healing skill. correct?

[lime cloud]

the health does not scale with str its fucking health points w no scaling

[indigo tundra]

It's legit says 25hp not 25%

[torn imp]

You're right. They should get rid of the meat and give ranger the option to cast up to level 4 cleric spells, including bless, lesser heal, good berry, etc.

[last spoke]

Nah that’s personal opinion, I think other than actual fighters/barbs no other class should

[indigo tundra]

Buff rogues and rangers

[lime cloud]

its a lesser lesser cleric heal for themselves only because cleric heals scale with will and magical healing if im not mistaken

[static frost]

its amazing the amount of people who cant disagree on something and not resort to being toxic.. very sad

[sullen bronze]

base orc ranger has 92hp - 25HP heal is stronger than a 25% heal

[last spoke]

I’ll make sure to @ y’all when rangers are nerfed soon just to prove my point they were broken 🤣

[torn imp]

okay big guy

[warped belfry]

they are going to get nerf, but not for any reasons you said lol

[devout pollen]

Rangers are pretty overtuned right now not even sure why people still arguing

[lime cloud]

rangers are strong but who knows what they will nerf/buff next

[last spoke]

So they are getting nerfed but not because of the damage or their healing yeah ok big guy, nerf movement speed and that’s it then huh🤣

[sacred ice]

I honestly think this would practically kill warlock and any other classes except for barb and fighter in a 1v1 fight. imho they then would be op

[torn imp]

Y'all are mad at rangers, but not mad at my Gray starter kit warlock capable of hitting for 114 with BoC and drop a kitted fighter in two hits?

[lime cloud]

i mean it makes sense hes upset at rangers he has a fighter role 😭 prob can't hold a shield and cover hit toes

[torn imp]

Ranger/wizard is fighter's direct counter.

[warped belfry]

you should stick to your childrens cartoons man

[indigo tundra]

Buff rangers give then infinite arrows and campfire allow them to have a dead eye perk that doesn't miss and does 300 true damage.

[devout pollen]

its every class's counter lol

[void lodge]

What Wizard Builds are the best to run now ? double spell memory still or just 5 spells ?

[last spoke]

LMAO I main cleric I just clicked fighter when joining the DC so really not valid. On a side note @sacred ice they use HP to cast right, no issue getting health back since they need to cast

[indigo tundra]

He has to chase after me att least I get a chance to damage him instead of being ranged to death where I could have no chance depending on my class

[sacred ice]

I mean I get it. I would like to remove healing and armor from every other class than bard. if you look at the data, practically no one plays bard. but that seems kinda unfair. dunmp

[torn imp]

I use BoC and phantom. I will wait for you to engage, phantom, and count to six and swing.

[whole latch]

Next wipe?

[opal patrol]

Ranger is balanced fighter is balanced warlock is balanced cleric is balanced bard is balanced wizard is balanced barbarian is balanced druid is balanced. which class is missing?

[indigo tundra]

I still believe it's more skill full then ranging to death so idc how much it hits for base barb swing with all perks hits for 96 also if you miss boc you lose all that damage

[lime cloud]

druid is balanced but not in the game yet yep cok

[sacred ice]

druid!

[opal patrol]

yeah druid is way more balanced than rogue i agree

[last spoke]

Any leaks on Druid?

[sacred ice]

there‘s rumors they‘ll be able to heal.

[sullen bronze]

yeah tons of druid leaks. They get to wear different armor and use different weapons and will have abilities to use

[warped belfry]

Give Rangers animal companions and heal!

[blazing basin]

games actually dead, should have closed it again instead of ruining it with dogshit updates that nerf everything but ranger

[indigo tundra]

Rogue is broke af that's why ranger is so hard in the Meta ranger counters rogue both are broken wizard damage spells do too much damage chain lightning is op. I've been playing all the time after this last patch the amount of rogue ranger ranger or rogue rogue ranger comps kill it for me

[sacred ice]

in what world do ranger counter rogues?

[indigo tundra]

Traps and chase perk also spear is a win against rogue

[warped belfry]

i think he means tracking. which no one uses

[sand zenith]

How do you know what’s going to work if you don’t test it? Also 20k on a Monday is hardly dead.

[vapid oyster]

if the chase perk was actually good I'd use it but it sucks lol

[sullen bronze]

you heard him bro. game is dead just accept it

[indigo tundra]

It's very good honestly should try it people don't know how to use or make use of the information

[sacred ice]

ah right. don‘t know when I‘ve seen it the last time in use

[opal patrol]

CHASE DOESN'T WORK. im so sick of seeing this. by the time you actually see footsteps you are too close and it just doesn't work half the time. its a meme

[warped belfry]

i dont play Ranger any more

[vapid oyster]

chase actually sucks

[indigo tundra]

It does just won't work if someone was sitting still or standing still for 20 or 30 seconds

[sullen bronze]

you're using it wrong. When you see footsteps you crouch and stare at them as closely as possible and follow the steps. dont look up

[flint lake]

rogues are sad

[opal patrol]

doesn't work bro no top ranger will ever think to use that skill lol. meme skill onlyu

[fleet bear]

You can git gud me if you want, but my friend and I have been getting kinda burnt out from just getting rolled over and over by fully blued and purpled up squads. Am I looking through rose colored glasses or was gear diff not so insane in previous playtests?

[worldly warren]

well yeah considering they are testing the 15+ level players are only vs other 15+ level ppl you will now face ppl with more gear

[vapid oyster]

you could actually get gear in LR. It's like impossible to find gear in LR now so it's boring af

[amber grove]

Are physics calculations in D&D frame dependent?

[sand zenith]

It was, but it was more abundant.

[opal patrol]

the game is just the sweatiest its ever been. new players are going to get screwed even in < 15 lobbies

[indigo tundra]

Does everyone have to use the same tactic if your struggling to find rogues It's very good I've found so many stealth rogue walk right up while they are in stealth and stab them right in the head.

[fleet bear]

We’ve been playing in previous playtests but I think the heavy nerf of loot quality just makes the game feel quite tedious

[vapid oyster]

agreed

[granite abyss]

yep, was overdone.

[sand zenith]

The new update aims to fix that by closing the stat gap between tiers again and increase the loot pool in general to increase how much good gear exists so not everyone is getting crushed by specific people.

[weak umbra]

why not just call this 1-14 que mine and miner? i just go to gob caves, spawn in 1 room, clear IT and mine for the whole match, then just extract

[sacred ice]

the devs agree with you. I‘m looking forward to the changes coming at the end of this week

[pure owl]

if you are teaming in goblin caves, should just wait until the 1v1 is over and not make it look so obvious 🥺

[sand zenith]

I remember in the play test just buying legendaries and uniques for the fun of it. Gold and gear was abundant.

[peak crypt]

I’ll believe it when i see change notes. And a wipe. Rn, i cant be motivated to play. Nothing new to do. Too many rogues in solos, too many rangers in duos, too many stacked 3 man lobbies (and also 1 of my friends seems to have lost all interest in the game)

[tropic temple]

its okay to take a break , its just an early access

[fleet bear]

Right now it feels like even if we manage to get kitted up with blues and greens, one lost fight and it’s just hours and hours of grinding to get back to having actually fun fights. Doesn’t help that we both have less time to play now than we ever did in playtests, too

[slim ether]

Run a barb in solos.

Three man 15+ is super sweaty, all you can do is gear up and run a meta comp

[boreal island]

the game is seasonal and not content complete, it will always have ups and downs, with the most excitement at the start of a new season

[peak crypt]

Yeah absolutely. I can chill and wait on changes, balance, content. Just a weird feeling. Always sorta suspected the game didnt really have much depth to sustain more than a week.

[sand zenith]

I certainly think not destroying the legacy gear was a problem. There’s specific players in high roller that are basically unkillable because of a sheer stat difference.

[boreal island]

I think a season will generally be really fun for at least two weeks already, and then adding another map that maybe can be unlocked during the season will make it last longer

[fleet bear]

True, the lack of content does come out in a longer timespan like this. But I think quests in this game could be much more compelling and fun than they ever were in tarkov. I really think a clever questing system would transform the game for the better.

[peak crypt]

Bruh i have already run barb in GC for dozens and dozens of hours. It’s alright. At this point though, the meta is so well known to everyone left playing, that it seems like almost no one will even dare to mess with a solo barb in GC. Can only imagine all of the hidden rogues that just let me rummage around in a room without moving lol

[tropic temple]

They will add bunch of content after they deal with the balance ig , there's quests coming , new classes and always new maps on the way

[peak crypt]

+3 all was such an insane and confusing dev decision to make. I want to see them try something better, like remove a bunch of junk rolls. So disappointing to see anything with “item equip speed”

[sand zenith]

I haven’t gotten sick of the loop yet honestly. There’s just something about it that’s entertaining.

[fleet bear]

I think for most people unsatisfied with the game right now it boils down to “A little bored, a little burnt out, but optimistic” (or maybe skeptical lmao)

[granite abyss]

i think a lot of the optimism for a lot of people has dwindled in the weeks since launch

[peak crypt]

Like what would happen with gear if gear rolled ONLY stats? No derivative stats: physical power, magical power, interact speeds—all of those come from stats anyway. Wouldnt it be nice to know every green pair of leather gloves and loose trousers are immediately valuable because they have +agi and some other stat?

[sand zenith]

I just think the general malaise comes from the casual player base. Extract looters are inherently meant to be tough, and hardcore, they attract a niche group of gamers. But when you’re developing a game you want to pander to as many as possible.

[kindred stone]

can you kill zombies when they are eating? i stabbed on about 15times and he kept glitching between standing animation and eating, died coz a team caught up with me and zombie was in the fckin doorway

[dusty field]

does slayer work for 2h weapons?

[peak crypt]

No. It does work with lanterns, though.

[fleet bear]

The thing is, I am that niche audience. I’ve got 600 hours in tarkov and who knows how many in the playtests. Yet I’m feeling it too— this release has really not hit the same as it used to

[shell crescent]

What are the odds of getting two golden keys from a skele champ?

[fading plinth]

Can we please ban the word "Hardcore" in this channel because it being used as a talking point is just word vomit.

[granite abyss]

angry discord flow chart

player buys game, has no friends -> player plays goblin caves -> player dies to unbalanced 1v1 class interactions because they balance around 3's -> player moans in discord, but nothing changes bc the game isnt balanced around 1s -> player keeps moaning about devs

the majority of 3s players are pretty satisfied because, funnily enough, the game originally made and balanced around 3's works pretty well in the 3's format, not 1s

[sand zenith]

Hardcore, hard, challenging? What verbiage do you want me to use? It’s always been a challenging game, they’ve decreased healing and slowed the pace with the bard and wizard nerfs.

[peak crypt]

2 months has been a very long time with the loop that we have. Major end game stuff is so inconvenient and worthless. Gold keys are worth more on the market than what they can pay out if you risk using them. I’d like to go do a bunch of bosses, that’s really the only thing left for me.. to just grind bosses. And I’m probably not going to be able to do that solo lol

[warped belfry]

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[fleet bear]

LOL

[sand zenith]

Oh yeah I said that was going to be an initial problem when they where proposing GC in the first place about a year ago.

[granite abyss]

everyone with a brain did

[supple needle]

Hey all!

Does anyone know the details on Rogue's Thrust perk? Does it ignore a flat 15% physical damage reduction or does it ignore 15% of the targets total armor reduction?

(So like if someone has 60% dmg reduction, is it effectively 45% dmg reduction or 15% of the 60%?)

[fleet bear]

Even if the game doesn’t turn out at least I can have a toxic relationship with dark instead of tark 😎 that’ll be good for my sanity

[peak crypt]

From what I understand, 85% pdr would get reduced to 63.75 pdr.

[supple needle]

So it isnt a flat 15%, its a 15% of the Armor Rating stat that the pdr is based on?

[peak crypt]

I think it’s PDR * 0.75

[prisma fjord]

is goblin mines or crypt easier as a solo wizard?

[fleet bear]

Yep it’s not R - 15 its R - R*0.15

[rocky ore]

why is there no non-game lobby to test gear setups without commiting to a game?

[supple needle]

Ok, thanks both @fleet bear and @peak crypt for the answer, appreciate it.

[peak crypt]

I dont think it is 15% of AR, and it’s definitely not flat 15% of PDR. 15% of AR would get very confusing very fast, but I guess it could work that way—weakpoint works that way from what I remember

[fleet bear]

Yes AR buffs PDR but they are separate stats.

[limber badge]

It's going to be hard with either, crypts may be better because the PVP chance is lower. I run Wizard in GC and it's constant PVP which can be quite a challenge.

[bold lintel]

the real thing is you are holding DaD up next to tarkov, a game that has been out for 6 years now, and saying "theres nothing to do" the 1st month of release. tarkove had fuckall to do when it launched too with tons of janky broken shit. take off the rose tinted glasses and realize its a tiny dev team who got thrown a huge curveball with being taken off steam and having to make their own launch platform. most other companies would have delayed another 6m-1year, but they released it for us because everyone was begging them to and they told everyone up front that its super early access with a lot of unfinished stuff. even with all that they are announcing a huge content patch in the next few days. just take a step down off the soap box of entitlement and gain some perspective aside from "this brand new game doesnt have as much to do as my older games"

[peak crypt]

I think you’re right but also not how i would express it. More like PDR is derived from AR, even then, though, they’re the same stats just different expressions. Can’t have AR without getting PDR, but you can add PDR without more AR. But overall AR doesnt really mean anything unless you’re talking about Weakpoint Attack or Armor Mastery

[vestal silo]

they need to do something about the movespeed of rogues doing an attack animation. Once they go out of invis and hold w + mouse button 1 they are glued to your face.

[dry stump]

[tiny shell]

Which class is the most go in ballz deep and just slam everything like a maniac?

[peak crypt]

Goddamn i bet the EA release would have been so good if PT5 hadnt been a disaster, and they had not needed to build their own launcher.

[peak crypt]

Barb or rogue or fighter. In that order based on cost to gear your character, imo.

[frank nacelle]

gear score im so tired of being lvl 7 and seeing full geared teams so dumb

[bold lintel]

so they should be easily 1 shot by just about every class AND easy to get away from? thats the whole point of rogue is that they need to get super close to be effective.

[marble tangle]

Selfish Cleric with a War Maul. The only options for the enemy, are to run, or die.

[warm rune]

Until you run into a mage

[peak crypt]

Somethinng will eventually alleviate that problem but it wont be gear score. You will keep experiencing this until theres enough content to allow players to actually self filter into the queues where they belong. Right now, there’s no more content so the only thing that geared players have to do at all is just bully lobbies.

[vestal silo]

they are not oneshot. If they start losing they can just 180 away.

[noble kayak]

fix ranger

[marble tangle]

Jokes on the mage. Cleric's have insane magic resist. Put the War maul away and punch the mage 2-3 times. Profit.

[warm rune]

even with fist if you are high resist you are slower then the mage it makes you a sitting duck.

[marble tangle]

Slower, yes. But again. The mage has two options: Run, or die. Get hit by magic on your way towards him? Heal it off, no big deal.

[crimson heart]

anyone else continue to have terrible stuttering? I have put in like 6 tickets now that all just get ignored. I'm about the point where I'm just going to ask for a refund until they can have this game actually work

[peak crypt]

Use bind. Well actuallt that’s a terrible idea cause you wanna keep the fists out

[warm rune]

Lol you guys are really trying to argue that mage doesnt counter cleric

[marble tangle]

Yeah, I get the stutters fairly consistently. Rubberbanding. Feels like the server is hot garbage. Doesn't happen to everyone though. My friend rarely gets the stutters, but I Get them almost every match.

[marble tangle]

Mage counters support Cleric maybe. But I'm talking about a selfish yolo warmaul Cleric, who's purpose in life is to smite the wicked.

[crimson heart]

yeah I rarely don't have stuttering. I kept thinking maybe it's my pc or something, but this is literally the only game it happens for. At this point it has to be a server issue. They have closed all of my tickets with zero communication. Like it's great and all that they are spending so much time on balancing patches, but this game is nearly unplayable for me in it's current state.

[bold lintel]

its a hardware issue. if you dont have a brick for a pc, try running different versions of DirectX (11 or 12). if its rubberbanding you are talking about thats just network stuttering which could be on either end

[crimson heart]

I have tried literally every fix I have come across. I'm playing all these massive AAA titles with no stuttering or issues like that.

[marble tangle]

Only thing I can say, is try a different server (US east or West.) There's not much you can do other than that. Maybe try a VPN? But then your ping will be higher. If it fixes the stuttering/rubberbanding though, it miiight be worth it?

Yeah, this is a DaD exclusive problem. It's not my internet or my system either, Morgoth, lol.

[crimson heart]

I appreciate the validation lol. I'm probably just going to request a refund and maybe I'll try again sometime down the road

[peak crypt]

Yeah anything with range is hard for cleric. I wasn’t arguing, just throwing ideas out. I play smite+magic staff, so, bind is absolutely incredible for my build. Stops targets dead, and it seems like it’s the first time most people have ever even been hit by bind.

[warm rune]

Cleric is pretty insane with the right setup

[marble tangle]

It's so fun, when people think you're just a poor healer. Then you 2-tap a fighter in full plate.

[sharp minnow]

this may not help for you but it has helped me in the past for stuttering like that. For some reason some games choose to run on my on board intel graphics instead of my nvidia graphics card. I've noticed that going into device manager and disabling the intel HD graphics fixed the stuttering I was seeing. Not saying this is the best solution b/c other things run on the integrated card which means the graphics card will be running everything but may be worth a shot

[peak crypt]

No one respects a cleric with a magic stick out. They never assume that it’s purple with great rolls that i bought for 50g cause no one wants them, lmao.

[peak crypt]

There should be some sort of performance panel where you can disable the integrated GPU on an application-by-application basis. Havent had this issue in a long time though, so, i don’t recall exactly what app/dashboard would control that.

[marble tangle]

Lol, nice. I do that with Warlock. Corrupting blow's magical damage gets amped by the Magical damage bonus from the staff. Staves are underrated.

[bold lintel]

i'll get a stutter or 2 in the first 20 seconds of a game but then its running smooth the whole time. there is a app called exitlag that may help if you have high ping or your ISSP just has bad routing

[mighty plank]

is the Lich bugged for any of you? Like curses of isolation/gathering exploding later or straight-up canceling his curses. Damages are somewhat inconsistent, same goes for how many people are in zone or not.

[peak crypt]

I thought it was the same for smite but some new testing seems to indicate smite just might be bugged af and is sometimes granting multiple damage bonuses lmao.

[sharp minnow]

You are right about that, and i've looked up several guides that show changing those settings but for some reason it never seemed to accept my changes. Best i could do was disable it manually but yes, if you can find that settings panel then that should work the same way in theory

[weak umbra]

since when boc penetrates shield?

[limpid crane]

When’s wipe?

[peak crypt]

Shield pot shield? Those were always phys only. An actual shield? Must have been desync.

[peak crypt]

No idea. Not announced. Certainly not before the leaderboards end, though.

[weak umbra]

no desync there, also he didnt just swinged at my shield and body. he hitted me with longsword stab and i heard shield sound, then 20 seconds later another stab with the same sound and i was dead

[proper ore]

If the weapon bounces off shields and hits you it still counts

[peak crypt]

Weird. As barb, i have seen achille’s proc even after i landed a hit on a shield. Definitely not supposed to work that way, but I’ve seen it happen more than once.

[rocky ore]

what affects rogue poison? will, magic damage add/true it?

[bold lintel]

you can block and still get hit by part of the weapon because of the multi zone damage sectors of the weapons

[weak umbra]

i understand barbarians doing it with dedicated perk but warlock

[peak crypt]

Magic power bonus affects it. Will adds magic power bonus. Rogue starts with a negative mg pow bonus. Additional magic damage is the best modifier for poison, because it is not scaled by bonus. Poison has 50% scaling, so, you really need +2 addl magic dmg to equal 1 more damage. From what i recall, magic pen and true magic damage give NOTHING to poison. Not sure about that, just what I’ve heard. Personally, poison is worthless in pvp so i never test anything with it.

[slim zenith]

This game is so fkin good man. 🙏

[bold lintel]

or 15 will to get a 1:1 iirc

[warm rune]

Are you using crush? Crush has a random chance to go through shields

[peak crypt]

Yes, 15 will gets you to 0 power bonus.

[warped orchid]

I loooove playing cleric

[rocky ore]

weird that true magic wouldn't do anything. I'll give it a test tonight

[peak crypt]

Ehh.. couldnt say for sure. But it wasnt like i swung THROUGH the shield, i landed directly on it, and then still got the achilles hit on my next swing. This was before achilles nerf im sure cause I don’t know if i played more than a few barb games after achille’s was reworked.

[noble kayak]

green duel wield fighter kill ful;ly kitted barb with nothing but a green falchion?>

[granite abyss]

skill issue on barb end

[tropic torrent]

ranger is way too easy

[peak crypt]

Sure why not. Green falch and slayer is going to be like at least 65 or 70 dmg on a heady

[subtle abyss]

yeah ik my ranger is level 10 havent died once and have like 6k gold

[true hazel]

what if they implemented empty bottles into the game
when you drink a potion of any kind (clarity, prot, heal, invis) and extract, if you have the pots you can take them to the alchemist and have them filled up

[tropic torrent]

and ppl still say they are balanced bruh

[peak crypt]

A few days ago i murdered a full purple kitted barbarian. Dude had a purple battle axe and i have no idea why he thought a BATTLE AXE was going to win any fights for him. Loot pinata, man.

[subtle abyss]

mhm then im playing fully geared wizard and get 2 shot by a naked rougue in a random room in high roller, very cool

[peak crypt]

I’d like an estus flask system so much more than being asked to rest for half a minute or more.

[tropic torrent]

just like rogues wayy too easy

[subtle abyss]

mhm but nerf wizard bard and barb, some of the highest skill cieling people that get countered by rougue and ranger lmao

[novel plover]

so so let me get this straight a wizard fireball can basically 2 shot a fighter burn knockback has an aoe for nothing

[subtle abyss]

ima be honest you are in low geared lobbies because 200 magic resist is not 2 shot to fireballs

[weak umbra]

what was your worst mini boss drop? today i got blue clarity pot and green bear trap from centipide

[warped belfry]

Blue clarity and green clarity.

[peak crypt]

3 gray francisca axes from the worm. (I’ve also seen it drop 3 throwing knives) really funny cause it is 1 1/2 stacks of throwables lol

[paper trellis]

Anyone buy dark and darker from chaf games and regret it? Bout to just rebuy the game through blacksmith 😂

[subtle abyss]

delete the game

[peak crypt]

Only issue I’ve had with chaf is that after some weird crashes, i have to uninstall and reinstall. Other than that, absolute zero problems compared to my friends that have to launch and relaunch crap 3 or 4 times every time they login or get kicked.

[static cipher]

Any news from the Devs ?

[paper trellis]

It won’t let me upgrade the game version keeps saying update desktop application I’ve deleted game and app and still same prompt

[weak umbra]

never had a problem with chaf

[warped belfry]

They said skill issue

[peak crypt]

Fr, i think it’s more windows 11 than blacksmith, but my friend has to launch blacksmith, launch dad, wait for dad to fail to connect, close it all, and then try again. @paper trellis yeah i think that’s the bug ive had before. After restarting my pc, chaf would always just force me to install dad again. Happened to me twice now, and in both cases it was when i needed to update

[modern halo]

rogues dont have free heals starting off (rations) arguably not as easy

[tropic torrent]

bruh i mained rogue and it was easy as fuck

[subtle abyss]

boring af too u just afk until someone walks near u

[potent horizon]

prob the easiest class he just sits there the whole game and rats around

[misty rune]

I guess rogue is hard starting out if you are brand new and don’t understand pve because you die to pve so easily

[modern halo]

you joined this discord in august, your opinion isnt valid here bud also maybe some rogues rat like that but i seek combat, im not happy unless i see my name littered in the feed

[peak crypt]

“I cant believe it is this fucking easy..” my friend who has played probably about 300 hours as cleric after trying rogue for an hour and killing a 68% pdr fighter to earn a 1k+ plate kit

[mellow lotus]

Okay for some reason +2 strength is giving me less extra damage than +1 weapon damage according to the loadout page. Why is that?

[subtle abyss]

ima be honest you might just be the dumbest person ive ever seen, rougue is least skill maybe close second to ranger

[peak crypt]

It probably is less damage? Do you have negative physical power bonus? Are any of the stats on your weapon? @subtle abyss ranger is definitely “harder” than rogue.

[tropic torrent]

i joned the discord when the game came out yes. Why does that matter again?

[potent horizon]

its in the feed because he is easy to play and get kills with he can literally do double damage with his waekpoint and ambush lol he starts with like 36 agility to. not hard to play at all i used to main him

[modern halo]

i never said he wasnt easy, calm thy tits i was saying in no way is rogue easier than ranger. i main both

[left isle]

how much does cobalt ore go for?

[subtle abyss]

so pretty much u are fat with no friends or what

[misty rune]

In the end rogue and Ranger are both easy so it doesn’t matter

[mellow lotus]

Nothing negative. Just wondering if I should bother using +x Strength gear if +1 weapon damage is going to give me more damage output than +2 strength of the same items.

[warped belfry]

Rogue is way easier

[tropic torrent]

rogue you only need a blue dagger and then it kills anyone in like 3 hits

[potent horizon]

you main rogue and ranger the two unbalance classes lol ofc

[misty rune]

Ranger it you have a blue bow you killing with a triple shot

[dusky sapphire]

You’re getting more HP & some extra DMG with STR. I personally would go for +STR over +WD even if you’re getting less DMG. Just my preference tho.

[tropic torrent]

except that with rogue you only need to click the ability and thats it

[peak crypt]

Weapon damage gets multipled by your physical power bonus. So if you have a bonus, 1 weapon damage is more than 1 point of damage. Strength raises the phys power bonus, but that will not likely increase damage as much as wpn dmg.

(((WeaponDamage) * physPowerBonus)+addlPhysDmg)* armorReduction *hitLocation)+truePhysDmg

[mellow lotus]

I'm just looking for big damage. Its only 1 point of damage betweent he items but I would have thought a +2 strength would do more damage than +1 weapon damage. Thanks for the info everyone.

[wheat valve]

Is there nothing to be done about teamers in goblin caves

[mellow lotus]

Oh so its multiplying my already large phys power bonus. That means I'm going to starting hunting weapon damage rather than strength stats

[late merlin]

i dont get it, why is the giant centipede spamming the poison on me and hitting me all of the sudden? it used to never hit me at all. Did they change how it attacks to any degree?

[potent horizon]

I absolutely love this game and its design. And I have gotten into so many lobbies filled with naked rogues that can do whatever they want because you cant fight or catch up to one. I havent died to any class other than rogue in a while

[peak crypt]

Yep, you’re probably a barbarian, right? Weapon damage is way more useful than str.

[manic walrus]

and it's only going to keep getting sweatier
cherish every big update and release, since that's when all the casuals gonna come and you can crush them then

[floral sluice]

to the 4 people i killed that were teaming up in the goblin caves, how did "don't let him get away" work out for you?

[mellow lotus]

Doing a DPS fighter. Might rethink my loadout now though.

[tropic torrent]

Rogue tutorial: Go to the middle of the circle. Dont hear steps? Do nothing, no walking no changing weapons, nothing. Hear steps? Hide. Wait for prey to come near you. Profit

[warped belfry]

nice work

[subtle abyss]

yep exactly how i feel rn, been playing this game for ages but now going into high roller and its all naked rougues and rangers is discusting

[dusky sapphire]

What weapon are you currently using on your Fighter?

[manic walrus]

failed at step 1, died on the way to middle of circle to team of 3

[limber badge]

For me, it's "actively stalk every single person I hear"

[potent horizon]

theres times ill just be mining in gc and ill try to get out and a rogue hits me once for 3/4 my health

[mellow lotus]

37 damage green Falchion + all atributes. Its what I have left after dying with my higher end arming sword.

[fossil badger]

Instructions unclear, went to middle of the square.

[subtle abyss]

yep died with my 7k gearset to 1 rougue with a blue dagger, got 2 shotted

[limber badge]

Press X to doubt

[vestal falcon]

I ask everyday I don't think they care

[warm rune]

Do you get xp for mining?

[dusky sapphire]

Oh, nice. Yea, if you have some spare money, get a Falchion with +WD. Although, +1AA is nice too.

[static cipher]

You must be trash

[subtle abyss]

for walking into a room? 20 armor helmate not gonna do much on wizard

[fading plinth]

where'd the role selecting channel go? I can't see fighter chat

[limber badge]

Channels & Roles at the top

[fleet bear]

I never compared the amount of content in tarkov to the amount in dark lol. Trust me I’m well aware of their limitations and admire the dev team for persevering dude. I’m happy the game is out. Also I was more making a joke about how unfun tarkov became near the end of my playing it, I had a toxic relationship with it because it kept pulling me back in. Now dark has filled that void thank god

[limber badge]

Light orb is your friend.
But 7k for a wizard set is a bit of a stretch.

[shadow widget]

Entry level scoundrel

[peak crypt]

Rogues kill fast. There’s that clip of SBS in rubysilver getting 2 shotted by a weapon damage stacking rogue. https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/16lbhnx/daily_reminder_to_nerf_rogue_invis/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[subtle abyss]

nah +3 all pretty expensive, also 10 spell wasnt a thing because didnt have too many clarities and bard with the mega nerf

[sand zenith]

Happened to me the other day 3v3 fight and I got cleaned by a rogue with max pdr after we had won. Three shot pre nerf stiletto.

[warm rune]

You're kind of trolling running a set like that without 10 spell

[peak crypt]

Rogue burst dmg is absolutely crazy.

[dusky sapphire]

I never really do good DMG with my Rogue. But, I tend to not stack WD. I like my rupture over weak point, and don’t have ambush equipped.