game-discussion

[rustic narwhal]

every game i do sometimes its worst than others

[hoary ibex]

no clye what to do atp

[frank dagger]

another satisfied rogue customer

[opal gulch]

which rogue took your lunch money? Don't get me wrong, I dislike being stabbed in the face as much as the next guy, but don't act like the devs knew exactly what meta the players would cobble together on any given update

[cedar pumice]

No class should be able to get to part of the map that another class could not, I agree.

[vivid pendant]

[frank dagger]

Show us on the doll where they hurt you

[formal moon]

your math is wrong and shows you don't know what you're talkinga bout lol

[silver escarp]

Shoulda seen double jump when it first got added in, rogues were flying through the air with it, unkillable. We got the nerfed version of it now, but I do agree double jump should be removed. It looks goofy, is mechanically goofy, and allows map exploitation.

[hushed stag]

My math is NOT wrong

[vivid pendant]

An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure. Band together with your friends and use your courage, wits, and cunning to uncover mythical treasures, defeat gruesome monsters, while staying one step ahead of the other devious treasure-hunters.

[opal gulch]

sure...

[elfin depot]

How

[formal moon]

It factually is.

[cedar pumice]

Show him his math is wrong if you are so CERTAIN

[opal gulch]

his math is right, but that means he's a hypocrite as well (it takes a rogue to know all of the numbers off-hand)

[warped orchid]

People who play Rogue in this game are simply coping with being bullied in middle school

[frank dagger]

[formal moon]

WP is 50% ambush is 30 and and thrust is 15% of whatever armor they have

[opal gulch]

ambush is 50%, back attack is 30%

[hushed stag]

and weakpoint is another 50%

[vivid pendant]

wow no one uses smoke screen/caltrops, pathetic

[frank dagger]

why would you?

[cedar pumice]

I love when people say you are wrong, but then they themselves are wrong 🤣

[vivid pendant]

because they're fun to use! if you NEED stealth/weakpoint/ambush to get kills.... 🤷‍♂️

[frank dagger]

This must be a solo player only issue, in our groups we smash rogues

[slender dome]

yo fix the dogshit fucking bodyblock by ai shit is dogshit god awful

[mental rivet]

dude wtf is up with this goddamn lag rubberbanding shite

[vivid pendant]

it's just new player issues, lack of awareness and slow reaction time for the time being... they just over exaggerate after dying minimally to a rogue

[frank dagger]

yeah we had one try to stab us, cleric healed me and we all said in unison on VOIP, "Well you are dead now"

[slim ravine]

so when can they figure out a gear based matchmaking

[graceful vessel]

booted from lobby?

[tough pagoda]

ranger traps ruin the game

[vivid pendant]

why should ai not bodyblock?
@slim ravine they're not planning on any kind of MMR

[graceful vessel]

they just did mmr

[slim ravine]

its insane how important gear is and when u have people rocking purple and orange gear public stomping its not fun

[dense nexus]

Yup

[frank dagger]

So pro tip you can spectate gear in lobby. Use voip to rally the nakeds, group up and gang bang the geared folks.

It is glorious

[vivid pendant]

ehhh i wouldn't call it a real matchmaking rating
they are not planning on gear based or skill based MMR, how about that, lol
go watch onepeg's q&a with the devs

[slim ravine]

dude that shouldnt be the only way to play the game

[fair shale]

Difference between +1 physical power and +1 weapon damage

[frank dagger]

only an issue in solo play, never have this problem in groups. Also I have killed many full geared people with starter gear. So many players have terrible mechanical skill

[ember oak]

yeah idk what they're talking about how it no longer exists because it does lol

[formal moon]

phys power is a % of str. wep dmg is 1 to 1 with your weapons base stats

[static cipher]

I went against u with my naked rogue I can tell that you have terrible mechanics

[vivid pendant]

An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure. Band together with your friends and use your courage, wits, and cunning to uncover mythical treasures, defeat gruesome monsters, while staying one step ahead of the other devious treasure-hunters.
remember to read the description of the product before you click purchase

[frosty meteor]

How do I get good at this game

[ember oak]

should be changed to

all little baby gamers are welcome, ages 11-15 are most welcome, come with friendship and love and friendliness because we don't want anyone to be meanies or to be unfair! we have just introduced a new mechanic which lets our new little baby players go into little baby lobbies so now you little baby losers can play the game in piece and get your first extraction at level 14 with your all white gear! (remember this game is accepting of little loser babies and we do NOT want people to play in the "hardcore unforgiving dungeon crawler" experience that they all paid for. we just want our wittle itty bitty babies to be happy

[vivid pendant]

[noble kayak]

FIX THE TEAMING ISSUE IN SOLOS

[vapid dagger]

anyone have problems with the game have it on chaf and go to click play and just won't let me play says please wait

[ember oak]

it's not an issue, fix your brain

@frosty meteor play the game?

[subtle heart]

game is dead

[frosty meteor]

I just wanna be good not play

[vivid pendant]

damn i thought that solo queue was what everyone was demanding
@frosty meteor uninstall if you want to be good!

[frosty meteor]

Why is everyone so angry

[errant steeple]

Hopefully never

[pliant shadow]

anyone have a list of songs you should use for bard

[static cipher]

99% of normal lobby are grey scum assassin going on a rampage

[vivid pendant]

probably all of the lute songs

[errant steeple]

Bc rouges, teamers, and split lobbies have ruined an otherwise enjoyable game

[noble kayak]

shouldnt get 3 hit by a rogue with a green kris dagger with 60 percent phys damage reduction

[ember oak]

the only thing that ruined an otherwise enjoyable game, is the split lobbies, and people like you

[dim ingot]

Falchion vs. Arming sword??

[broken forum]

still waiting to wake up to the patchnotes that ranger and rogue are no longer playable classes

[frosty meteor]

What is a split lobby?

[pearl hornet]

just witnessed a ranger double jumping with TTV on their name.... this game is dead already full of hacks and glitches

[vivid pendant]

1-14, 15+

[analog spire]

ye, hopefully IM doesnt let this one go the way of the cycle

[errant steeple]

Lmao right it’s only like 3/4 of people in here saying the same thing as me, but def my bad for figuring it out lol

[frosty meteor]

Why is split lobbies a bad thing?

[torn imp]

sup poopbabies, what's tonights topic of complaints.

[vivid pendant]

An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure. Band together with your friends and use your courage, wits, and cunning to uncover mythical treasures, defeat gruesome monsters, while staying one step ahead of the other devious treasure-hunters.

[ember oak]

and you and the other 3/4 are what's wrong with the game. glad you're proving my point though. the lobbies split is agreed though.

[errant steeple]

We are so lucky to have you and 12 other ignorant people saving this game for us. You’re a hero

[warm path]

@pliant shadow just dont play bard unless with barbarian after the nerf kinda shit class

[torn imp]

y'all definitely frequent reddit. Later Losers. kickflips a horse off a 6 set stair and skates into the distance

[vivid pendant]

only encountered one blatant cheater so far, and apparently enough reports about that person resulted in a ban, you receive an in-game notification
but yea
An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure. Band together with your friends and use your courage, wits, and cunning to uncover mythical treasures, defeat gruesome monsters, while staying one step ahead of the other devious treasure-hunters.

[ember oak]

wahh wahh wahh goblin cave teamers are ruining the game so bad it's so unplayable running into 4 man teams in goblin caves why doesn't ironmace just ban them? I hate goblin cave teamers!!!! 😢 where is the lobby for ungeared people too! it's so broken now we just get OP veternas beating down new players for fun when it should be based on gear that the lobbies are split not just levels wahhhhw ahhhhhh

[vivid pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_nfwPZlwJ8
That is the q&a that onepeg had done, sending questions to sdf, an ironmace dev

[torn imp]

pop shovits a horse

[errant steeple]

Because once you (quickly) make it to 15 its all sweats and teamers. Splitting the lobbies diluted them and made teaming easier to accomplish. There is nothing to look forward to hitting 15 is more like a death sentence to fun

[torn imp]

Nollies a horse into a hardflip

[ember oak]

im so mad at ironmace why did they make it easier for teamers 😠 now when i go to level 15 lobbies its just nothing but teamers all teaming up against me can iron mace ban them already please?

[frosty meteor]

When you say teaming do you mean randos deciding to team or friends forming groups getting in the same lobby

[vivid pendant]

@frosty meteor means that friends are communicating via discord and timing their queue

[torn imp]

Nose Manuals the horse into a heel flip

[errant steeple]

I didn’t say anything about gear, but the rest is true. We need lobbies reverted and never messed with again. Experiment was a failure and gear score or any other method will fail also. Just give new players a free practice area to mess around a bit and then the rest is on them

[trail seal]

bruh these map circles need sorting out

[torn imp]

Pops horse off a kicker and christ airs the horse

[lime scarab]

still thinking the game needs more wipes

[frozen umbra]

Any tips on countering players that just third party or simply don't fight until there's a disadvantage to take over (getting hit by a mob or some bs)

[trail seal]

spawned top left circle finished bottom right PVE for 20mins and then get tunneled by a camping ranger bard trio in finla circle down in zombie room 💀

[vivid pendant]

once seasons actually start, they are intended to last ~3 months
this is still early access

[errant steeple]

Friends. I think randos forming teams spontaneously is fun and an exciting element to the game bc trust is always fragile. I straight run into a cleric pocketing a fighter calling shots like they are besties and playing duo the whole time. That’s a joke

[ember oak]

or. here's a better solution. let new players go into the game and learn how to play? I mean that's a crazy idea haha it probably won't work though because in what universe would letting new players going into the game and learning how to play help? LOL yeah we should just scrap the split lobbies cause that's a bad idea but you know what an amazing idea is? letting new players go into a practice arena to learn how to play YESSSS that's exactly what this game needs a practice arena for new players! forget about going into the game and learning how to play like the tens of thousands of other people did, what this game needs is A PRACTICE ARENA WOOO

[vivid pendant]

A forgiving softcore.... how you wanna get some if you scared to get your fukkin tip wet? shit

[scarlet badger]

why the launcher is asking for my password if I had the keep me logged in thing on? now I don't remember my password and can't play

[torn imp]

totally beans it attempting to 900 a horse off the mega ramp. I lay a mangled heap on the floor of the mega ramp. A hush falls over the crowd

[gaunt hemlock]

Is everyone going to ignore the fact that bossing without a cleric is now almost impossible.
pre nerf bard is very doable because of tranquility and weakness but but now you cant heal from tranquility mid boss fight because of the nerf

[formal moon]

skill diff

[vivid pendant]

[torn imp]

the horse catches fire

[glad plover]

nerf fireball, said my peace

[subtle heart]

game dead

[vivid pendant]

oh please you'll be doing the same thing at one point, but doubt you'll be around to try it

[ember oak]

all in favor for a practice arena or a pve only mode where there's no meanies or bullies to kill us say I

I!!!!!!! me me me!! please yessss

[somber forge]

Was it? Idk I feel like the lobby changes have been enjoyable on both sides. Post lvl 15 I feel i run into geared more skilled players more and on my pre 15 characters I myself haven't run into any full purple sets. Mainly green sets with maybe a blue weapon or armor piece here and there. Which was nonexistant before

[torn imp]

flash forward one week. Tony Hawk is giving the eulogy. The horse is still on fire

[exotic path]

did they fix wraith glitching

[tender badger]

Skill dif

[stone knot]

I think you just suck

[errant steeple]

The problem now is that players are really good and the game is difficult enough as is. When the game was newer everyone was learning at the same time. Now there are very good players that a new player has zero chance against and can’t even practice pve. The point of entry has effectively gotten harder since release. Not to mention the player base shrinking making it more condensed with experienced players. Game can’t grow if the vets seel club noobs harder than ever before. You smell what I’m stepping in?

[vivid pendant]

[exotic path]

fair enough

[torn imp]

goku punches the horse. Everyone feels much better

[raven swallow]

does fighter slayer buff effect 2 handed things like crossbow and spear?

[vivid pendant]

too many of you bietch ass hos crying about how hard the game is 😐

[errant steeple]

I enjoy both less but especially 15+

[pearl hornet]

what game are you playing? Because I don't think you playing Dark and Darker. The main issue is the speed cap that can be transcended because when you have more speed than 350 (300?) you just start not getting penalized by swings or movement. Making rogues just fast demons. Zero skill involved with using rogues and just camping corners. That's how this game is dying

[ember oak]

get over yourself

[torn imp]

the game may be dying, but the horse previously used as a skateboard and on fire and punched by goku is not.

[barren dove]

There needs to be segregation between the rich and the poor, this is the only solution

[errant steeple]

I’m just talking about one current problem. Rogues are probably the biggest problem in the game imo

[vivid pendant]

"game is dying" zzzzz
they weren't even expecting this many people to purchase early access

[unreal acorn]

ok

[unreal acorn]

I agree with this though

[vivid walrus]

why are people going into dungeons with like 10-15 empty coin pouches

[atomic rampart]

To hold a FUCKTON of gold, or to mess with the heads of people when they die

[formal moon]

game is dying. 26k ppl on a weekday lol and every patch was a W

[barren dove]

non official release game somehow dying before there's a release. that's like saying I'm dying even tho I'm mid-life and healthy

[vivid pendant]

[unreal acorn]

yeah what was it on launch ?

[errant steeple]

Every patch was a w until last one

[formal moon]

Launch will always have more, just like when the next wipe happens.

[atomic rampart]

On a weekday AND when kids are back in school. This game is big, even only in EA. Imagine when it's done and officially released

[vivid pendant]

they are also still in high hopes of the game being back on steam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_nfwPZlwJ8 most recent dev q&a

[formal moon]

Once the final court case is over, the game will be back on steam and the pop will double

[atomic rampart]

Honestly, while I'd get it on Steam, I prefer it's own launcher. Just seems more official for some reason. Also, ah yes, coping cause we.... checks hand like seeing a cool game succeed

[vivid pendant]

damn just crawl back to whatever shit hole you came crawling out of lol

[errant steeple]

Assuming they win…but by then who knows double could mean 300- 600

[atomic rampart]

Hope they add achievements when it gets back on Steam. I wanna ACHIEVEMENT HUNT

[barren dove]

Yeah i dislike EA, support there is ass

[tidal plover]

I do that when I have a bunch of empty’s

[errant steeple]

There is an achievement already. It’s called RAT KING. Players must achieve 1000 kills as rougue from stealth with a 2 shot. Many have already accomplished this

[atomic rampart]

Now if only I could get to that level of good. But I'm still dying because I got shit gear and can't dodge lmao

[errant steeple]

I’m sure with time you’ll have it in you. My dog is up to 9998

[shell flicker]

Whats stopping this game from getting back on steam now? They won the case right?

[manic walrus]

you die in 2 hits to the most common, low-level mobs in the game. no amount of pvp balance will change the fact that the game is objectively more hardcore than 90% of games out there

[atomic rampart]

maybe one day I'll be good
-Your local "been playing since pt 2 and still sh*t" Rogue 🥲

[hushed ore]

anyone know when druid might be coming out?

[unreal acorn]

any mobiel only gamers ?

[vivid pendant]

have you considered trying other classes?

[shell flicker]

You can dodge all attacks tho so thats on the player

[atomic rampart]

I'm best at Cleric, but I wanna be good at Rogue, it's my d&d main 😭

[obsidian rain]

Lol the economy is dead... I'm fighting +3 all attribute people 4 games in a row now it's getting INCREDIBLY old

[vivid pendant]

just give it more time... aha

[unreal acorn]

economy dies a week and a half in when people start running their best gear in normal lobbies. game needs a 2 week wipe minimum to stay relevant

[barren dove]

honestly why is there gear at all right now. they should be doing base level fights until all the classes are actually balenced

[forest tapir]

why dont triple portals spawn anymore, is by design to commonly make two other players have to wait 30 minutes for someone to complete hell?

[cedar pumice]

Um can your other 2 teammates not find a blue portal???? 🤣

[atomic rampart]

I mean you could go back to lobby and edit your inventory or class while you wait for your party member to get through Hell

[forest tapir]

its the otherway around but no

[vivid pendant]

there are triple portals... triple reds

[cedar pumice]

Triple the chances of fun

[forest tapir]

):

[subtle heart]

game dead

[deep holly]

disconnected again?

[cedar pumice]

25,000 people ingame say it is not

[smoky coyote]

is it possible to get a named item from goblin merchant or whats highest rarity he can giv u

[vivid pendant]

scooby dum, highest rarity should be purple

[pearl hornet]

one wild question - what do you guys play for once you have full sets and good stash? there is nothing to do after that.... other than steamroll GC. I understand that is EA and is fair - but there is not much to do

[errant steeple]

I’ve only ever gotten blue, but I’ve heard of purps. No way there is named

[cedar pumice]

It is a gamble

[smoky coyote]

ive gotten mutilple purps

[vivid pendant]

why are you obsessed with GC only... try ruins or crypts while solo??

[hallow jay]

Are you asking this as a solo only player? Because I personally would never even go into GC

[errant steeple]

Luckyy

[pearl hornet]

I play duos or trios only with friends. never with randos

[viscid hamlet]

can you get action speed roll

[errant steeple]

I’m solo and only play gc now. Gobs is home and it’s a mess rn

[hallow jay]

Then why are you asking if there is anything else to do outside of GC. Play HR with your friends. Do bosses, go Hell, PvP

[formal moon]

It always will be

[trail seal]

Hey guys anyone got any tips to find the portals in the bottom left map abyss? Do I need a noclip tool to get to those now? Loving the new zone mechanic!!

[oblique anvil]

W

[errant steeple]

It was great until last patch. I yearn for the good ole days. They revert split lobbies and nerf rogue and I’m happy

[pearl hornet]

you missed the point. GC crypt or ruins no matter the map, the only thing to do is go full PVP and delete lobbies with legendary gear 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[formal moon]

back when everyone was still complaing about ultra juicers in GC

[hallow jay]

So your point is that you are so geared that you ahve nothing to do but kill people in a PvP game? What?

[analog magnet]

full geared rogue just hiding in the next room all game for someone to walk in on HR. of course circle goes there and once I open the door I'm dead in 3hits. fully kitted by the way. invisibility and rogues ruin the fun of this game. thats literally uncounterable and not fair.

[somber kayak]

just had a fighter escape the hunting trap while having his shield up the entire time, how come?

[vivid pendant]

so what's changed?

[errant steeple]

Not me, it makes lobbies more interesting imo. Now 15+ is even more juiced and 1-14 is pointless except for the small amount of casuals that play 2 rounds a day

[pearl hornet]

I wish.... I only wish, I am broke and bad at the game.... but yeah, what else can you do after farming like a gamer?

[glass ibex]

Finally finished the ruby silver gear set

[formal moon]

This wipe is just longer so it feels worse

[hallow jay]

idk if anyone can help you. You are asking for content after you become the best player in the game and have endless max gear. Something you even said you are not close to.

[errant steeple]

What’s scary is they said they are thinking 3 month wipes, so technically first wipe (and likely) second wipe will be quicker than their long term intentions…

[hallow jay]

Ya I think they want to wipe for testing when needed. Not as much planning on sticking with the release 3 month plans

[errant steeple]

My brother in Christ fret not for the rogue plague will be stricken down soon…or else game really dies

[formal moon]

That's fine

[hallow jay]

My only issue with rogue is that a rogue should never be able to face trade a fighter.

[analog magnet]

im done with the game till then i had a full fighter kit 65% dmg reduction and died to not even being out skilled

its not common sense bro when they are already invisible before u walk in the room idiot. what are you saying. every best player is saying rogue is broken. especially at the high level. nobodys talking about naked rogues

[errant steeple]

Yep I’m about right there too. Far to abusable in solos

[delicate furnace]

Ikr, he should have just died to zone like a man

[hallow jay]

65% isn't really that much tbh

[errant steeple]

It’s not even close to getting outplayed

[analog magnet]

I was solo. even the best players in the world right now are saying rogue is ruining the game. stick to low rollers bud cause u obviously have no idea what im talking about.

[errant steeple]

I’m just blocking these dudes that are so oblivious to what is actually going on. No point in trying with a few of them

[narrow idol]

I agree invis is cheesy and boring af. Not broken, Just really boring

[dense nexus]

another game lost bc ranger can just camp circle forever. lets never adjust them!

[delicate furnace]

You suggesting everyone should download cheats that show invis rogues?

[analog magnet]

Invisibility should be out of the game or like Halo where u can see a blur of the character. would make them have to use it in dark places only and strategically. not just out in the open.

[warm anvil]

rogue are wasting the game fr, been in a lobby in 2v2 with 12 rogue all naked

[hallow jay]

When did he do this?

[narrow idol]

I bet you get all the girls

[analog magnet]

I can just tell from the way you talk ur so bad at this game lol. You actually have no idea what your talking about to the point everyone thinks your trolling

[vivid pendant]

if you use adblocker it automatically detects spies

[formal moon]

well those are the welfare maps, so that's when you're gonna run into welfare playres. go HR crypts

[delicate furnace]

Gotta play smarter than the dude that spent half the match stationary, then invises when you go near. What else can you do to "outsmart" the people that arent moving?

[errant steeple]

I think that’s a bit much personally. They can just nerf how grotesquely advantageous it is. Give them less invis, nerf weakpoint and ambush and make lose weakpoint if you miss. It would be fine then to be able to hide and eat a little just not farm free kills on anyone

[rigid palm]

Is there any sort of timetable on full controller support?

[narrow idol]

Why not give them the warlock phase so they can get out of sticky situation but not 100% invis for 40 seconds

[high nebula]

So because everyone cries, rogue is probably going to get nerf to the ground and at that point what would rogue have?

[main raven]

Warlock's Phantom should let you go through doors. IMO, it should also remove all current debuffs; it makes no sense that using it while in a hunting trap doesn't actually get you out of the trap

[umbral mantle]

How do you report someone? I just got 1shot from 100 to 0 from a grey arming sword

[scarlet vortex]

keys arent worth much now due to dupe glitch?

[narrow idol]

I want rogues to get buffed, I would mich rather have a fast mobile assassin instead of a invis camping rat

[high tide]

ranger moment

[errant steeple]

Sure something like that as long as it’s not what is is currently. I think there are many diff approaches that could work but doing nothing is not one of them

[high nebula]

We did have that with double jump, that got nerfed instead of just hand crossbows

[main raven]

Also, should Rangers get Bucklers? It feels weird that they can't use those

[scarlet vortex]

is rmting really a problem ?

[dense nexus]

rangers are the stupidest class in the game

[high tide]

yup

[narrow idol]

And i liked it way more when rogues would jump around and crossbow, Ik rogues got done dirty but the invis gotto go

[formal moon]

without invis rogue is unplayable

[high nebula]

You know that's not coming back so if you nerf invis, rogue would have nothing. Not to mention invis is easy to counter especially in trios

[dense nexus]

lol remove invis. ok

[narrow idol]

Yeah ik but i think it would be mich better for the game. Nerf ranger, Buff rogue. Remove invis great changes in my eyes

[simple terrace]

Just punch the air like a schizophrenic

[pearl hornet]

you don't need to punch, just run around and bump into them

[high nebula]

Why remove invis, you know it's easy to counter right?

[narrow idol]

Im not struggeling in the game at all i just mean ingeneral what i think would be good. Ik ranger is broken its the only class i play

[gritty verge]

anyone else think barb needs a nerf? i just switched from fighter and this is easy mode lol, that or they should give fighter a buff to be able to compete

[mental brook]

Where the goblin playable race at? Lol I'll buy it immediately

[errant steeple]

I think Barb is fine after it’s recent nerf

[gaunt hemlock]

its peak was like 90k and now its 25k bruh its dying

[gritty verge]

unless they make human sized goblins i could see the smaller hitboxes being a big issue

[dire cobalt]

when's next wipe ?

[hallow jay]

Barb is still really good.

[mental brook]

Sadly I agree. I want my goblin rogue lol

[signal osprey]

20000 rogues and 5000 players willing to play other classes/highroller

[pearl hornet]

[formal moon]

barb is still the meta

[mental brook]

I'll be honest I'm dog water with rogue. I literally play rogue in all other games. I feel ranger is just a superior rogue.

Self sustain, Good range, can use arming sword. (I don't use spear because I'm not meta) plus traps

[formal moon]

In EU the player base is 75% ranger

[mental brook]

I know I'm a noob. I should just suck it up and get better but I enjoy winning sometimes lol

I do think throwing knives should stack more. Maybe 5 to a stack.

[vestal falcon]

Barb broken let's be real here

[warped raft]

is there no more xp for pvp kills ?

[gritty verge]

same, i played rogue for a bit but i just got so tired of it since i usually play solo and kept getting one tapped

[boreal pelican]

you gotta use hide then rogue is broken

[pulsar galleon]

Dwarves as a playable race when (they move slower)

[glass comet]

forget dwarves when female cave troll

[rustic narwhal]

need key prices to go back up lol

[dark hare]

wait for the wipe the dupe glitch is going to kill key prices this wipe

[ocean minnow]

how to do

[iron horizon]

I must admit, the more players know how to play, the less fun this game is getting :c

[wanton skiff]

id Iove to know when are we getting an actuaI ffa 1v1v1 because right now there is teaming in aImost every singIe gobIin cave

[dark hare]

Go away no one is going to tell you anything, people like you ruin the game

[pulsar galleon]

1 million years dungeon

[sonic lagoon]

if you're invis and a bard debuffs you can they see you via the particles?

[mental brook]

My problem is I'm a scrappy rogue lol I can't just hide and not help my team.

[boreal pelican]

ah nvm then, goblin caves is a different story, but still rogues can be broken

[exotic gust]

yes

[mental brook]

True I had a rogue meme on me just naked and stealing my stuff then running away.

[main raven]

You shouldn't be able to, since invis blocks all visible effects

[exotic gust]

it worked for me before, i didnt see the rogue but i saw the purple effects

[main raven]

That would be nuts if it does work like that

[sonic lagoon]

bard jumped around a corner and headshot me before he landed so I was curious

[scarlet vortex]

Some people suggesting to remove trade from the game. If it's removed then what's the purpose of gold

[main raven]

Trading should be limited to HR imo

[opaque tartan]

Does anyone know how much %Percentage the "Combo Attack" perk(Fighter Class)allows to be stacked with each successful strike until capped and no longer goes higher?

Curious as to if you are versing multiple bodies and continue to successfully strike the enemies within the time range, will it continually stack your Physical attack power% to no limit?

[subtle heart]

When is wipe, someone please tell me

[warm rune]

Its on thursday

[unreal cosmos]

Why does warlock feel so bad, and bard.

[vestal vault]

seeing rogues with purple and blue knowing full well that its highroller gear and coming into basic goblin caves anyway is the most toxic and overkill way to show how toxic of a person they truely are. they outrun every class, 3 shots 200 hp barbarians. this game is becoming infested with rogues. i have queued into 4 goblin cave runs and EVERYONE was a rogue exept me. am i the only one that sees this as a problem for the health of the game?

[warm rune]

Bard is really strong you just have to have all your buffs up which is annoying

[unreal cosmos]

Bard feels good but like, it doesnt feel good by much i feel like its outshined by cleric

[atomic rampart]

On the off chance you kill a blue/purple geared rogue though, you leaving with a FAT STACK and someone probably real pissed off

[mental brook]

Wait, wipe is Thursday?

[paper trellis]

Quit crying lmfao 😂 read the patch notes casual teaming is allowed pre planned teaming is not

[atomic rampart]

Nooooo I just good shit, damn the wipe 😭

And @wanton skiff did you fight me? Because I just teamed with a Rogue and some other dude, and the guy we were fighting just gave up and was in Goblin cave lmao

[rapid vapor]

does anyone know what fov the game uses

[vestal vault]

that chance. is so slim because its pvp. you have to be near him in order to hit him. not only that but they are so fast that archers and crossbows doesnt even hit them most of the time. its overall damaging to the game.

[atomic rampart]

I honestly don't know how Rogues are as fast as they are. IK it's probably just practice but damn, I try to do what they do and just can't, at least not to that level

[uncut bobcat]

the fact that rogues break invis because someone bumped in to them is ridiculous

[unreal cosmos]

Hot take, rogues invis should work, and last as long as wizards. A couple of seconds and they can move.

[vestal vault]

its not practice. the class has the most agility in the game. with gear? you can outrun anything. its like a lower vers of the speed totem

[atomic rampart]

Is that why I'm struggling than? Cause I got base/shitty gear?

[vestal vault]

not even. if you find agility items from plain green gear your just unstoppable on how fast you are

[atomic rampart]

WELP anyone willing to donate? Charity IV for a better rogue lmfao
And damn, I've been playing Rogue all wrong than

[hazy shuttle]

That sad moment when you hear Paladin is not a dev favorite for the class after druid, and also that warlock will be getting even stronger

[honest token]

DELETE trade!!

[mental brook]

Paladins is always hella strong in any game.

[atomic rampart]

To be fair, I think Paladin might just clash too much with Fighter or Cleric. It's meant to be the inbetween, but that's hard to implement into a game like this (I do hope they add it)

[vestal vault]

rogues have 35 agility to start off with. rogues with gear prob have like 50. which is so gamebreakinly unhealthy to the game. that at this point a major overall in the agility attribute alone should be remade. that or nerf the maximum agility you can have.

[iron horizon]

agilitymeans nothign when they die like a fly lol

[lofty oar]

What accessories would you go as for as a barb? Fox pendant and ring of quickness?

[hazy shuttle]

its meant to be added but Onepeg did a QnA with the devs and they said that it was a tossup between Monk and Sorcerer 😦 for the class after druid

[atomic rampart]

I've really been playing Rogue wrong, or need to better look at how the stats work if it's that broken. But yeah, as @iron horizon said, their HP is absolute garbage. They're meant to be the glass cannons. As a fighter, I think I 2 shot a rogue last Goblin cave run

[smoky coyote]

they gotta remmove runins and make a duo crypt

[vestal vault]

not when they dodge every attack you have just by moving back and forth.

[mental brook]

Any new races coming?

[ebon lion]

Server's le down or just my bad luck with blacksmith launcher?

[hazy shuttle]

Devs said if you find any unreal assets for sale for new races that would fit you should send it to them

[atomic rampart]

Honestly not surprised, especially with the flavor you can get with Sorcerer as summoners or blasters, and Monk becuase everyone's been screaming for being able to finally fist fight people lmao. And true on the wanting new races, I wanna see an Aasimar next :D (basically a demi-angel)

[vestal vault]

a fully kited rogue can take up to 5 hits with a arming sword. everything else is too slow to the point you just die after you get one hit in.

[sonic lagoon]

maybe if you aim for their arms? lol

[mental brook]

GOBLIN plz lol I need to be green rogue boy.

[ebon lion]

Maybe a HobGoblin if they need to have the heights the same. COuld be neat

[atomic rampart]

I need money to properly play Rogue lmao

[hazy shuttle]

lmao that would be funny but i dont see it

[iron horizon]

I fully geared up, I bought a ton of great gear went in with my friend using a blue axe (barb) and ultimately my gear meant nothing, I still was a 3-4 shot for rangers, my friend literally accidently one shot me when tryign to open a door.
(I woudl liek that very much) VVVVVVV

[pulsar galleon]

I think I speak for everyone when I say we want a slimegirl race next

[mental brook]

Sadly I don't either Hobgoblin would be good tho.

[atomic rampart]

Honestly, a Hobgoblin could work. It'd satisfy the folks wanting goblin while not messing with hitboxes. If someone could find (or make) the assets, send it to the devs

[wooden flame]

can we talk about how broken chain lighting is

he hit a ai body and took a 3rd of my health as a barb how is that out played.

[atomic rampart]

Anytime I think of Chain Lightning, I just think of my friend who keeps zapping/killing himself with that damn spell lmao

[drifting rose]

[ebon lion]

It's a very interesting spell, you easily wipe a full trio with it if you get good with it

Or you're likeme and you only manage team kills

[wooden flame]

your useless

[torn imp]

kick flips a horse into chat

[ebon lion]

Damn bro that was epic

[atomic rampart]

Sound like my friend lmao. But yeah if you know how to actually work that spell, you can do some nasty amounts of damage

[golden pasture]

Physical damage reduction value for cost for fighters is just disgusting

[torn imp]

thanks dude, you are most excellent air guitars and pop shovits the horse out of the room

[atomic rampart]

roundhouse kicks a horse into your yard

[pulsar galleon]

Keep the horses coming what do you think we make the health pots out of

[ebon lion]

I don't even possess the vocabulary to articulate my utter amazement in the epic show I just witnessed

[torn imp]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-kickflip-tobey-bird-kieran-culkin-saturday-night-live-doing-tricks-gif-23826420

[atomic rampart]

Ah shit, amazing lmao

[dusky owl]

whats the best perks everyone uses for fighter?

[atomic rampart]

Someone suggested Shield Master to me as basically a necessity if you're a non-slayer/defensive kind of fighter

[frail kettle]

I'm having so much fun watching streams and typing in discord instead of playing the game because the vendors won't stock FUCKING GREY SPELLBOOKS AND CROSSBOWS

[main raven]

Shield Mastery is good even on a Slayer build IMO

[warm dew]

ranger needs some crossbow specific perks/skills

[pulsar galleon]

Have you considered playing without them

[edgy hare]

Make teaming bannable.

[frail kettle]

I considered playing with half a kit and I made the educated decision not to, because that's stupid

[main raven]

I actually like the fact that Ranger only has one Crossbow-specific perk, since that one perk is basically three perks in one lol

@edgy hare If you hate teamers, start teaming yourself lol

@frail kettle The Magic Staff is definitely doable, especially with the increased damage

[wanton skiff]

its very obvious there pre pIanned teaming and them saying any teaming in the gobIin caves is absoIuteIy retar

[lone junco]

Rogues are the stupidest fucking class in the game. Can literally go in naked and fucking destroy every class with their stupid fucking invis. There needs to be diminishing returns after their first hit. They shouldnt be able to fucking 2 or 3 shot you unless you have mega gear on.

[left turtle]

heard of wizard?

[onyx mountain]

No you dont, youre underestimating the power of stealth

[atomic rampart]

Yeah I'm still figuring out the best perk build for me, but Shield Mastery seems to just be a necessity
@onyx mountain than I'm either doing perks or stealth wrong cause I still die as Rogue 😭

[onyx mountain]

Jokester is a must while you begin, i also recommend poison wep unless you are leaning heavily into daggers, then maybe dagger mastery instead
as for beyong that idk, stealth perk good tho

[atomic rampart]

Stealth is basically a necessity lmao, I just learned Jokester also affects the Rogue using it, and someone said Poisoned Weapon ain't really worth it and I lean pretty heavily in between rapiers and daggers, so I'd probs go Dagger mastery

[quick quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/insoyd-yungmiami-gif-18075207

[onyx mountain]

poison wep works against everything, and as someone that uses mainly rapier i dont get use out of dagger mastery
i think the ambush perk p good too tbh
the anti-armor one as well but afaik its not good against npcs

[brisk mason]

stealth, ambush, doublejump are all more or less auto include

[atomic rampart]

Is shadowrunner good? Seems like it'd be a great perk to move out of attacks quickly

[brisk mason]

yeah its pretty nice. def an option for a 4th perk

[onyx mountain]

Id use ambush more if it werent for the 44 sec cooldown on sneak

[atomic rampart]

I'm at level 10 currently, so I got the main 3 autos atm, but I'm gunning for level 15

[tough pollen]

why doesn;t the blacksmith client stay minimized

[vale patrol]

new15+ matchmaking sucks

[sonic lagoon]

pre 15 mm is awesome tho

[atomic rampart]

Yeah I'm not looking forward to 15 mm, especially with the epic gear folk

[white sorrel]

I'm liking after 15 matchmaking, probably because I'm pretty geared in goblin caves normal.

[sonic lagoon]

ngl post-15 mm feels like before with longer waits for the most part

[atomic rampart]

probably cause not a lot of people are 15+ yet, or ppl keep deleting and restarting characters to stay >15 mm

[civic fog]

Rogue needs to be nerfed

[sonic lagoon]

your perspective needs to be nerfed

[digital dust]

is anyone else just absolutely over the new zone changes? it feels awful and clunky especially in pubs

[hearty dust]

Once you hit max lvl on a few characters and run out of space and each character has 7k+ gold and full sets of gear, you begin to realize how bad the game really is.

[split grail]

when yall gonna fix rogue this class is dog

[olive condor]

fuck this game

[teal locust]

the rubber banding today is outrageous
i can barely play

[sonic lagoon]

sounds like you play way too much

[olive condor]

teams in solo caves as usual

[hoary stag]

Why have you been talking about steam lately? Has there been any announcement or anything that the game is coming back to Steam?

[onyx mountain]

Got a complainer in my dms mad that people dont have headphones 🥱

[pulsar galleon]

A goblin bolaslinger is rapidly approaching your home address

[split grail]

fuck em bro that shits annoying take as many with you as possible... i swapped to barb with 1 handed weapon for gobbo cause it jsut stomps

[olive condor]

3 out of 5 death to teams in solo its unplayable in this state to be honest

[onyx mountain]

How can you say rouge is op when wizard and ranger exist

[split grail]

this kid doesnt even play rogue bud

[verbal shuttle]

Wheres the friends list man

[split grail]

Rogue is actually str8 hot garbage

[sonic lagoon]

rogue is op with gear and shit without it

[split grail]

rogue is ass bud the same amt of gear on most classes just curb stomps it

[silver escarp]

yo get the damn juiced players out of normals already

this epic'd out wizards in normals wiping the whole lobby with his epic 3 man is so stupid. Dude isn't even here to loot. His whole inventory is 20 health potions, 10 bandages, and 4 campfire kits

[mild wadi]

Everyone in the lobby should look for juiced players and then team up against them

[verbal shuttle]

when do you think we get friends list

[silver escarp]

the 3 man didnt even go to hell, just left in blue portals, no one left in the lobby to fight them

[wraith imp]

HR is dead, thats why they are all running round in normal.

[verbal shuttle]

why is high roller dead?

[mild wadi]

shame

[silver escarp]

nah leaderboards say otherwise. They are running around in normals, full inventory of healing items, not even looting the guys they kill, or any items, because they just want to grief

[wraith imp]

Shitty meta with rating rogues and naked rangers everywhere, loot not worth it

[trim sentinel]

any1 else think the game modes/maps r really lame rn? time to put them all together again imo

[silver escarp]

Entire game will be dead if we don't get gear based matchmaking soon dudes, love this game but the amount of people online, compared to a couple weeks ago, is down 50%, and the juiced guys in every normal is ass. Can barely get my friends to play and these guys were addicted to this game during the playtests.

[scarlet vortex]

is there a skeleton champ in ruins?

[latent arrow]

Yeah, the gear situation is pretty shit.

[subtle heart]

What if we gave magic staff... the quarter staff's animations?

[ebon lion]

As a pick pocket rogue main, I cam confirm I am the bane of deaf rangers.

Good luck shooting me with no arrows dorks

I'd like to see em just try to shoot throw my smoke, or step in my caltrops

[vapid idol]

🐀

[ebon lion]

I love every bit of your profile

[eternal surge]

anyone else think there are WAY too many mobs in the different sections of the duo map

[velvet kelp]

anyone else dc or just me

[pulsar galleon]

Can we give some class a magic boomerang 🪃 I wanna bonk some dodongos

[ebon lion]

No

[eternal surge]

i enter a room and if theres a player that enters just after i get aggro im done for because i have 5 mobs chasing me while a loser with a bow is spamming me from full safety. its so annoying because if you slow down to hit the mobs you get railed by arrows, but if you keep running you cant do anything regardless because there are players on your ass that have no threat from the mobs

[ebon lion]

You can kinda achieve this with a torch, atleast the throwing part. Not really anything else.

You can atleast make an epic light show

[vale patrol]

throwing drums is where its at

[eternal surge]

and wolves especially blow ass to fight because theyre faster than you so your only option is to hope you can find a place to jump onto to get into a different room, which you cant rely on so it just sucks when you dont have that option

[ebon lion]

Side I've found that cosplaying as a moving light house is quite a lot of fun. God I wish you could buy oil laterns

[eternal surge]

ok now i understand why rogue is so hated, literally cant hit a rogue unless they let you

[formal moon]

Or you have ranged, buffs, or they come in for melee

[noble remnant]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491389/narrow-the-gear-gap Narrow the gear gap! Hold the line!

[scarlet vortex]

how much are gold keys now since the dupe glitch dropped

[eternal surge]

it doesnt matter if they come in for a melee if they move fast enough to evade every attack by walking backwards

[formal moon]

If you get kited by backpedaling. You just a fool

[lofty oar]

Any info on when the next patch is dropping?

[main raven]

Literally no class moves backwards fast enough to evade attacks

Also, Bards move faster than Rogues lol

[winged stag]

entirely true

[hazy shuttle]

Rangers should get the same downsides for spears that fighters get for non native weapons

[sturdy salmon]

true, giving rangers a op melee weapon when they are meant for range while also buffing the spear when they use it is kinda weird

[outer nest]

Windlass Crossbow use Arrows or Bolts?

[abstract minnow]

crossbow = bolts

[eternal surge]

ight so explain how a rogue can walk backwards out of my attacks while im moving straight toward them

[outer nest]

I imagined this, but certain crossbows are so big, they look like they use arrows instead of bolts, i mean, bolts are so small, how can they fit in the small hand crossbow and at the same time in the huge Windlass Crossbow? lol, anyway thanks.

[mystic epoch]

Has higher move speed, probably turned to run back instead of backpedalling, probably hit you making you even slower

[main raven]

What the hec are you even using

[round smelt]

do rogues even have fun man they just afk in a spot invis

[eternal surge]

if you tell me my weapon choice is bad because animation, then this game is designed terribly because if weapon choice can mean that you arent allowed to fight people then why is it in the game

[mystic epoch]

Skill 👏issue 👏

[indigo ginkgo]

High level players are wasting their time, making low level characters, so they can bring their purple Windlass', Capes and Rings to go to hell.
Gear Score Match Making Please!!!

[main raven]

Are you serious dude

You can literally punch rogues to death as a barbarian

[eternal surge]

ok and i can kill a boss with my fists, whats that supposed to mean

[main raven]

Not every weapon is suited for every single combat scenario. I'm honestly shocked that I have to explain this to you, but here we are.

[eternal surge]

alright take the time and explain how every single weapon is used please

[white sorrel]

Big weapon make slow, small weapon make fast
No weapon, very fast.

[scarlet umbra]

jump + attack will give you a bit more momentum with the heavy swings

[eternal surge]

alright now explain how youre meant to use a slow weapon if fast weapons and fast movement speed counter it in its entirety

[white sorrel]

Yep, love doing that to rouges who are introduced to the end of my Bardiche and die in 1 hit.

[scarlet umbra]

depending on the range you just zone with them, or just hit second, or you build for movement speed and jump attack them

[white sorrel]

They gotta get close with a shorter weapon, time it correctly and they get hit. Try not to get kited by just swinging your weapon wildly. And, you can pretend to run away and swing back around for a hit while they are chasing.

[indigo ginkgo]

Lols, watching these 2 Rangers, Arming Swords and Long bows just decimate Hell level, it's a joke.

[eternal surge]

alright now how do you fight people with a brain because we all know thats not gonna work every time

[main raven]

I'm not wasting that much time on you, but as an example, the Double Axe is great against enemies using shields (Fighter/Cleric), but isn't great against Rangers since you're slow as dirt

[icy smelt]

game is just instant closing when i hit play?

[scarlet umbra]

what weapon u trying to use

[eternal surge]

ideally the war maul because its cool, but useless

[white sorrel]

Probably die unless u outplay them as they have an advantage being faster. I remember a bard who nearly killed me as he was simply very good at dodging hits. But, he got overconfident and got hit and the second killed him when I had less than 10% hp left.

[main raven]

Also, jumping is incredibly strong and you should take full advantage of that.

@eternal surge War Maul is hilarious against Rogues. Just keep swinging and wait for them to stupidly try to push you since the combo can be chained with no delays

[scarlet umbra]

war maul is great at basically everything I said including zoning off, or jumping at them or literally just waiting for them to come hit you and swing 2nd and still win the fight

[white sorrel]

War Maul can be good, I don't like it as I catch on doorways too much. I'd rather use the Bardiche and swing early and then go through the door with a stab attack.

[main raven]

If you crouch you can just swing the Bardiche in a doorway regardless

[scarlet umbra]

war maul right click is still solid in doors

[round smelt]

war maul is good?

[scarlet umbra]

war maul is probably best on barb at least

[ivory geyser]

yep that was the last hacker i play with. no wonder everyone quit this game that isnt some weirdo

[white sorrel]

#1056520745330675763

[main raven]

What class were you? That might actually be possible

[indigo ginkgo]

What class are you? What armour are you wearing? Many factors involve

[main raven]

he deleted it rip

[indigo ginkgo]

Because he used a players name, his message got deleted? Jesus, what is wrong with the world??

[umbral mantle]

Thanks,

Was a rogue wearing the base equipment

[white sorrel]

No problem.

[compact whale]

looking for fighter

[main raven]

I can definitely understand why. This Discord probably isn't above harrassing people lol

@umbral mantle A Cleric using Smite and Divine Strike could EASILY one-shot you to the head with a staff

[umbral mantle]

thanks, good to know. I'll not report then

[main raven]

Hell, it might just be doable with Smite. The Magicstaff melee meme is actually pretty effective

[stray dagger]

have they spoken on temp bans for people smurfing the under 15 lobbies in full purple gear

[subtle heart]

If anyone runs into a guy named "asmallburlyman" the dude is using ESP 100%, ran right to me while invis and started attacking

[clever kayak]

Pls fix invis and pickpocket

[scarlet vortex]

report

[compact bison]

what is the best dagger to be using as rogue?

[final vale]

guys hows Ironmace handling latest hackers and duping ? Anything new regarding that ?

[indigo ginkgo]

There aren't any, don't you read the news...guess not.

[final vale]

@indigo ginkgo u joking sir ?
In last two days i saw several dupers on Europe
(full inventory of golden keys + legacy gear duping using server crashes)

[lime delta]

whats the wipe schedule atm

[vague sorrel]

seems there are a lot of cheaters in the game now

[main raven]

Was it a Ranger or another class?

[blazing wren]

gitgud

[indigo ginkgo]

You don't understand, people play this 10 hours a day, can solo hell as a ranger, and duo ranger teams are unstoppable.

[final vale]

game items has no IDs.
Probably hundreds or thousands of duplicated keys and legacy gear atm.
Alot of people hacking and selling gear for cash

[errant rapids]

I mean the dupe isn’t even a question. It’s real and there’s videos of it on Chinese social media. Do your own research of course but yeah it does exist. It happens by rolling back lobbies, the one where you don’t lose your items.

[fluid glen]

i'm teamed up with some homies and every time we try to enter the dungeon as a 3 party we get split up to 1 man groups, you guys ever had this bug?

[main raven]

Yeah its pretty annoying

[indigo ginkgo]

Nah, they reduced the difficulty of Hell, people are just farming the heck out of solo players and Hell in Crypts.

[hard sierra]

is it a desync issue or a bug that when blocked 50% of the time, on-hits won't expire?

[tough pollen]

there is a dupe glitch rn?

[errant rapids]

yup

[brisk mason]

how do you get the drinking out of a cup emote when sitting down? is it a thing that only came with the mug or something?

[remote yarrow]

Yeah its from the Coffee box

[brisk mason]

thats really sad. coffee box sold out first day and i was an hour or too late.

[empty sun]

It was fixed already

[empty belfry]

There's a bundle you can get (without the mug) that has the emote as well

[brisk mason]

interesting

[rancid pine]

are they ever going to undo the circle change id rather fight in boss room each time than be constantly moving to other side of the map

[empty belfry]

Rather, I'm pretty sure has the emote.

That or it has some random emotes that aren't those, idk for sure 🤷‍♂️

[brisk mason]

yeah the circle change is so bad. idk how more ppl arent mad about it. god awful change.

[burnt wasp]

when is wipe?

[main raven]

Match timer just needs to be longer and then it'll be fine IMO

[rancid pine]

Like the people it hurts the most our the people who are playing slow it is encouraging people to rush so its counter intuitive.

[brisk mason]

yeah. just when ur running across the map fighting 3 teams no time to loot attempting to clear rooms its terrible. or an end zone half off the map

[burnt wasp]

and what is the counter for? in the hr leaderboard?

[rancid pine]

The worst is when your in hell and you spawn on the opposite corner of the map and you spend every room trying to just run through it

[brisk mason]

till the end of the leaderboard. however i suspect they will wipe around that time

[rain swallow]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/480432/rework-or-remove-ranger-from-the-game
Send help

[vague sorrel]

SO MANY CHEATERS IN THIS FUCKING GAME holyyyyyyyy shit

[severe root]

Depends where you play, havnt found one cheater in oceanic

[kind osprey]

remove creep or at least the interaction with jumping and invis cheesing the stealth

[signal osprey]

where are all these geared people at all my HR lobbies are naked rogues and rangers

[loud creek]

The circle feels a bit tooo short tbh

doesnt really match up with devs decisions to slow the game down when the circles do the opposite

[drifting rose]

ranger need no gear tho

[kind osprey]

how do I hit a literally naked rogue with negative DR 4 times and he doesn't die

[drifting rose]

good gaming chair

[sonic lagoon]

ranger is dogshit cancer for this game

[limber badge]

Were you hitting with the sharp stabby bits or the not-as-lethal wood and hilt bits

[main raven]

Ranger doesn't need a nerf as badly as the bows themselves do

[wicked parrot]

YEEAAHH WHOS READY FOR SUMMONING WARLOCK INC!!!!

[final vale]

ranger is ok compared to thousands of duplicated items and amount of cheaters in the game making real money by selling gear and gold already..
If they dont do something about that fast the game will die miserably

[errant rapids]

careful, you're spittin facts and people won't like that here

[dreamy crow]

Alot of the interactions seems unfair in this game is this only me?

[final vale]

@errant rapids u right man...
Well Ranger is strong but he also weak.. ofc. hes strong at range right hes damn ranger lmao.
Rogue jumps on him and delete him anyway.. situational advantages/disadvantages

[drifting rose]

ranger nerf ? if you wear full steel they cant do shiet . i guess most people just wear white

[median storm]

wow real helpful, only two classes can wear plate
and ranger has a skill that penetrates 25% of armor (which is extremely good if you understand how armor works)

[steady valve]

Nerf every class, delete all weapons make everyone just use their fist

[drifting rose]

yep agree .

[sonic lagoon]

ranger is bad for the game's health

[kind osprey]

definite not sweet spots as he's all up in my family jewels because he's an invis pos

[drifting rose]

the game should go see a doctor or something

[ripe dragon]

can somebody do something about the people that are violating the point of gob caves by teaming up and running 3 deep. like its pretty ridiculous how i try to do my solo runs just to get molested by a double ranger with an etc. 3rd

[graceful surge]

The 14 & under queue should have a second check, if you have ANY characters over lvl 15 then all your characters should be in the 15+ queue, I feel like this would go a long way to stop people from just making new characters to play in noob queue and it would actually make it a noob queue and not just a low level queue. (as it was kinda intended)

[drifting rose]

have you tried to spam crouch ?

[flat loom]

blow of corruption should proc the same way achilles does, not sure why a warlock can hit a wall after i dodge and i still get punished with boc

[ripe dragon]

did just to get dual triple shot on multiple occasions

[steady valve]

Achilles does the same thing it’s just not a timer like boc. All on hit effects wear off the first thing you hit though

[flat loom]

i just had a case inwhich a warlock smacked a wall with BOC and it didn't proc, i was still killed by BOC

[simple wing]

I've hit a wall with weakpoint before and it didn't go away, but it usually does. (I don't play wlock so I don't know if that's how it's supposed to work or not, just mentioning something)

[lavish totem]

REVERT WIZARD CHANGES AND DELETE ZAP

[steady valve]

Must be a collision bug, that is lucky for them lol

[ebon marten]

Hello guys can you please watch this and upvote the correct information in here https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/16mbjt5/the_magic_staff_is_still_a_really_bad_weapon/ the top upvoted post is wrong, cleric dosnt do more dmg with smite/divine strike with staff then it does with mace > video of testing +both pov here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCmVLcbbeXg my comment that tries to have that info shown is downvoted even tho is correct lol. my new reply https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/16mbjt5/the_magic_staff_is_still_a_really_bad_weapon/k18mmfe/

i do not understand why people say random stuff without testing, i even posted gameplay and went to test it once again, we cant have people spreading wrong information, people buying blue staff going cleric doing far worse dps far worse attack speed and wondering why it isnt work like "top voted" post said, its legit so unreal

[lost gulch]

selling a bunch of campfires 2 blues a green 4 whites and 5 greys

[dire bone]

love to read all the QQ in here

[supple scroll]

Magic staff is way better than the original, it's a starter / default weapon and should there for be trash, don't buff starter gear if you can't handle dying in this game go back and play Minecraft creative mode again

[dire bone]

You all worried about rangers, you understand a bard can use xbow and throw his drums to 1 shot you?

[ebon marten]

?????? @supple scroll you can see both pov in that clip what do you mean way better this is the new staff with +5 magical the test was done 15mins ago. Watch it before you comment like this

[willow quest]

I am sorry if this is a question that is asked alot, but I havent played the game for a while so I wanted to know what people hope the next class is?

I know there's a tighter restraint on what can come next, as we dont want anything to be too overlapping, so I am going to assume the classic paladin and the rpg sorcerer are out of the picture

Maybe a druid would be the next logical step, though how that would work remains to be seen in my opinion.

Maybe the game doesn't even need more classes, I don't know, but it's fun to think about!

[simple wing]

druid is next yes, then after that either monk or sorcerer. they have a lot planned including paladin, artificer, necromancer etc

[sterile hare]

Anyone wanna play duos or 3s with a n00b barb?

[main raven]

Crossbows in general are good (although I think xbows are fine). They get really stupid on Ranger with Crossbow Mastery and Forceful/Pen Shot

[drifting rose]

Damn.

[main raven]

Facts; Bard's ranged capability is cracked rofl. He doesn't even need a melee, so running Crossbow/Crossbow is possible, especially thanks to his faster weapon swap with Dexterity

[supple scroll]

So this is not a joke, you're literally complaining about Magic staff not doing enough melee dmg?

[main raven]

My main gripe with the Staff is how bad the range is. It's actually easier to hit with a Rondel.

[ebon marten]

My friend read the post, the guy said magic staff performs better then mace and scales with smite and better FOR SMITE CLERIC, i recorded to show that isnt the case im not complaining im showing that the most upvoted comment is flat out wrong.

[cursive solstice]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/472659/matchmaking-balance-calculation-suggestion --> vote if you are tired of bis geared players in normal lobbys and want a fair fight with other no-sweat white geared players

[willow quest]

sounds awesome! cant wait... How a necromancer would work, I have no idea, their summons would have to be easily reconizable from the skellies and ghosts and zombies that already exist... Maybe make them blue?? I dont know.

[main raven]

Smite is nuts with the staff though because magic damage bypasses PDR

[ebon marten]

o my god. please watch before you comment there is excel sheet pinned with test calculator type all the info you want.You will see that what you are saying is not correct.

[supple scroll]

but that's just Smite not the staff 😄

[ripe dragon]

so based on gear combat rated lobbies?

[main raven]

Well... yeah lmao. I'm after Magic Damage, not Physical.

@ebon marten Even I'm not this much of a nerd

[simple wing]

who knows haha. they are also adding a warlock spell probably this week that is gonna be the games first summon, and a spell to contro monsters

[ebon marten]

ok but you understand that when you say and spread wrong infromation without calculating or actually testing it it's not ideal. You are so confident in what you are saying without even testing it.Not to mention just for the sake of argument, staff animation and ways to hit people is much harder then mace, there is reason why all barbs use horseman axe instead of lets say hatchet.

[cursive solstice]

@ripe dragon or at least a new players/noob friendly lobby where you can't enter with full blue/purple gear, yeah. sth like we have now wit 1-14 lobbys

[main raven]

I never even attempted to make the claim that the Staff is better than a mace, dude

[ebon marten]

Right, ok but it dosnt scale with magical dmg or outperform the way you think it does if you add +10 magical smite wont do more dmg then mace still, because if you have +10 magical mace will also hit harder does that make sesne to you? So saying staff is better vs pdr dosnt make sense, you are confused with crystal sword that ACTUALLY has magical dmg BUILD IN do you understand? is different. The +5 magical on staff dosnt work the same way +15 magical on sword does.

[willow quest]

A spell to control monsters could be super scary... Imagine a miniboss or even a boss that is getting mind dominated, even for a short while, so that you could make your escape or kill the other enemies in the room

[abstract dune]

"smite is nuts with the staff though, because it bypasses PDR" is what you said. And what the tests show is that even with said PDR the damage comes out more with a mace, any way you cut it

[simple wing]

that's what I'm scared of too

[ebon marten]

this magical 5 dmg is not the same as this magical dmg https://i.imgur.com/dCGS9QU.png one is build in and performs better other one scales spells not normal attacks https://i.imgur.com/bjLSXnA.png , tldr if you hit with normal staff you wont see purple dmg, if you hit with sword you do.

[ripe dragon]

honestly a green with slight blue mix isnt bad. but like you said when rare and epic plus get sent straight in it is an issue. bc you have literaly no chance as a casual non tryhard

[main raven]

The only part about +Additional Magic Damage is that it doesn't scale with Magic Power Bonus. The magic boost from the Magic Staff IS affected, which is nice since Cleric starts at 40%.

The Crystal Sword has "Magic Weapon Damage", which is actually different from "Magic Damage", but you're not ready for that conversation yet.

@abstract dune Where did I make the claim that the staff beats the mace? Can you quote exactly where I said that the Magic Staff melee meme build is somehow better than a Morningstar?

[ebon marten]

Did you just hit me you are not ready for that conversation yet? o my god. Just take the L brother.You are the same person that will upvote that guy and be wrong but be so confident about it that you can't even admit so when proven wrong via calculations excel +gameplay.And then talk to some one that actually test the game and helps with wiki and tell him "you are not ready for that conversation " holy shit.

[timid ridge]

youre in an argument with a weeb gamer youll never win

[signal kindle]

If only the magic sword didn’t suck so much. I’d love to actually use it on my warlock

[hard sierra]

Could someone explain why half the time i block attacks, their onhits dont expire?

[main raven]

It also doesn't help that he isn't very bright. He's making an argument about something I never said.

@signal kindle Crystal Sword is insanely OP in very specific setups and god-awful otherwise

[signal kindle]

It’s the casting animation…. Just no. Plus some meh attack animations

[main raven]

If you're gonna use the Crystal Sword, it's for melee, not casting lol

[cursive solstice]

@ripe dragon problem is that those well geared players constantly enter normal lobbys, where they can escape with mby 100-200 worth of gold stuff. so it's clear they are there to score easy kills for whatever reason. the 15+ normal lobbys is unplayable now, especially gc. map is small and fights unavoidable, bis geared player in almost every lobby. i can either try to team up with someone or just get one tapped by them.

[graceful surge]

maybe somewhat of a hot take but strength is an overloaded stat and does too much atm, they need to add constitution and make health scale with that. A little insane to me that DaD is based of DnD and it wasn't like that to begin with.

[signal kindle]

But if I’m going melee, why not a longsword or a falchion?

Only benefit it has is it would proc heals from CoP

[jade wigeon]

when will be the next wipe?

[fossil cradle]

4 days. no patch updates incoming and a rampant golden key dupe is ruining the market. gg

[main raven]

15+ lobbies are playable, but you essentially have to use a class that can thrive at low gear amounts, which is basically Rogue/Ranger/Wizard

@signal kindle Melee with the Crystal Sword is meme if you have +Additional Magic Damage, because it actually stacks multiple times with the right setups.

If you Ignite your weapon as a Wizard, any +Magic Damage buffs actually stacks twice; once for the Sword's innate damage and once for Ignite (at 50% scaling, however). The same is also true for BoC. I'm not sure if Ignite and BoC stack on top of each other; I'll need to test that.

[signal kindle]

Ah, I haven’t ran wizard much (level 6… on wiz) so that’s a good bit of information. May give that a go!

[main raven]

This idea came from a setup I saw a Fighter using in a YT video, where a Wizard would set his weapon on fire and he would then just run around tapping people left and right lol.

[ripe dragon]

thats the thing but im tired of playing as a rouge bc i cant trust antone for equip trades to do more since all my friend have their heads deep buried in tarkov with the recent wipe

[signal kindle]

Tarkov goes brrrrr

[main raven]

Wizard doesn't need much gear to be good. By the way, Intense Focus is an absolute meme

[ebon marten]

the #2 on kills wizard in goblin high roller streams every day and uses it, how is that a meme, are you a troll my friend? https://www.twitch.tv/katie/videos?filter=archives&sort=time almost everything you said so far is
A) wrong
B) total bullshit
C) im 100% sure you are troll.

[lofty arch]

Does magical power affect healing spells on Cleric? It says magical power affects spell power

[ripe dragon]

I just want to get home from my job and play a casual game while having a few beers but thats no longer possible in the modern day:')

[main raven]

You can always just make a new character to get back in the sub-15 lobbies

@lofty arch It does

[ebon marten]

wrong, what does +magical healing do then, brother please stop giving wrong information holy shit also magical power stats is not the same as +add magical damage @lofty arch please ignore everything @main raven you can srcoll up and see what im talking about. Also check classes channel there is aways pinned information that can answer most of your questions

[main raven]

So I have you blocked, but I clicked this out of curiosity, and you are very not correct. This is straight from the Spells and Guns Wiki, which is pretty accurate:

"Magic Power Bonus

Magic Power bonus governs the potency of your magical spells, magical damage dealing abilities and magical healing abilities. "

Yes, Magic Healing also boosts your healing spells by a flat amount, but that isn't everything

[ripe dragon]

tried it just to run into some blue/purp players and even 2 god tiers that i assume did the same thing to boss farm. just bc the bigshots have luck on it doesnt mean the common folk will. and the majority of them prosper so much bc of in game viewer dono's

[ebon marten]

what is better and what do warlocks players and cleric go for +magical power or magical healing, answer this

[main raven]

It also doesn't help that legacy characters still have trading access.

[main raven]

Because all the flat modifiers are better than the percentage ones. Do you even play this game?

[ebon marten]

I think you should enter in game check leaderboard check wiki and ask that question again, mr troll. I'm gonna block you btw, and for the love of god i hope nobody listen to anything you say, at this point im 100% confident you are a troll.

[main raven]

That... doesn't make any sense at all, and proves absolutely nothing.

This is why I have you blocked rofl. I'm done responding. Go bug someone else.

[cyan orbit]

just killed a rogue and stole some blues off him lol, i had a grey rapier and he missed everything on me. i hope he's seething rn lmfao

[main raven]

To be fair, said Rogue likely has more cash in his stash unless he burned it all for that kit

[stoic meteor]

Anybody know why my controller stopped working for the game?

[ripe dragon]

i have 3 pages of accounts that i had high hopes for. but casuals has each of them sitting at an average of 800g

[twin spear]

magical power does affect healing spells btw

[ebon marten]

yes by very little amount same as it does for wizard you never go for that stats its the lowest priority, also the way spells and healing scale you need to have about 7 or so magical power to be equal to +1 magical healing for lock and cleric depending on what diminsihing return caps that is lower later on ( for example how you get more +magical dmg from will power up to 25 and then less after 25 to 40 etc) Thats why you see mages instead of stacking will stacking flat magical dmg, and thats why you see clerics and locks stacking +magical healing flat instead of will or magical power if they wanna heal for more.

[subtle heart]

Got patched already

[fossil cradle]

there is another one that isnt related to the packet loss dupe.

[runic isle]

BTW , if you have 800$ monitor, you can play the game on "Light and Lighter" mode

[formal epoch]

What u mean?

[tacit nova]

can you upgrade to the founders edition if u have bought the game already for a discount or without making a new account

[main raven]

Like I said, he's not very smart. Sure talks like it though

[fossil cradle]

yes. if you paid for the $35 version, its only $15 for the $50 version

[ebon marten]

HDR on and off https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1641cpn/your_monitor_might_give_you_a_massive_disadvantage/

[fossil cradle]

plenty of monitors with HDR under $200 but ok.

[tacit nova]

@fossil cradle how would i go about doing it i bought it from black smith

[formal epoch]

Lol thanks lads

[fossil cradle]

darkanddarker.com
log in
click "purchase now" after logging in
You'll see it as an option (should be https://darkanddarker.com/shop)

[tacit nova]

thank you sm @fossil cradle

[bright ridge]

what do you guys thinkj is the most played class?

[runic isle]

I'm talking about way beyong broken ligthing beside HDR

[fossil cradle]

rogue and by a long shot. followed by ranger

[runic isle]

rogue, because kids love sitting in the shadows and doing nothing

[old jewel]

Did judgement get nerfed, couldve sworn it was 35

[twin spear]

ranger and fighter are top 2 and they are pretty close then rogue at 3rd

[ebon marten]

rogue is also very op and easy to play you don't have to do any pve or even loot and you will be fine all you need is green dagger/blue and just gear up from kills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fXW3mc1XxM&t=1s Thats the reason you see 5+ rogues on every lobby, and even for exmaple solo goblin HR is 8 people 5 will be rogues, they can solo troll, and play in low risk/very high reward play style that many have 0 counter play for.

[wanton otter]

Longbow slow is too damn longk

[bright ridge]

So what do yall think is the class played the least?

[old jewel]

Did judgement get nerfed, couldve sworn it was 35

[twin spear]

bard by far

[bright ridge]

Hows the warlock? Its my favorite DnD class.

[ebon marten]

wizard and warlock (since warlock is not finished class we have to go with wizard you can also check old play test stats on you tube or here on discord to see the data then ) click #development for more information like that.

[twin spear]

right now very strong but very barebones pretty fun for the most part

[boreal island]

its pretty good but unfinished

[uncut mountain]

XD every class except wizard can solo troll that isnt a flex. Also rouges literally get one shot by half the classes

[worthy cradle]

Finding good loot, 90% of the time, is just finding gold with extra steps. change my mind

[wanton otter]

It's being updated soon.

[runic isle]

I one shot full geared rogues with a Drum to the face

[uncut mountain]

ya drums used to one shot geared wizzards as well can confirm. Like I don't get how people struggle against rouges just hit them once and they die

[safe thistle]

how can a flying drum have the same speed as an arrow?

[twin spear]

most people (from what ive seen) just try to run away from a rogue when they should just turn around and swing at the rogue

[ebon lion]

Suck suckers it is I rat

[fading seal]

somone i need help my gmae broken

[main raven]

To be fair, drums are OP, especially with Reinforced

[broken forum]

tbh this only applies to armored classes, everyone else literally has to make space

[jagged dew]

jesus christ mobs should lose aggro ive never been chased 6 rooms over by a single skeleton before

[signal kindle]

Ranger or rogue

[drifting rose]

ranger

tbh other class need gourmet gear to work well . ranger is like ... you can be naked with a bow and still do shiet

[rapid vapor]

Do you guys have any tips for handling barbs or other people holding w into your face as a fighter

[jagged dew]

who cares about people how do we dodge nightmare skeles or can you just not kill them as a melee character

[brave pond]

can we talk about changing rouges weakpoint so that it doesn't make blue plate armour as effective as starter rags?

[main raven]

There isn't much else Rogues could do against Blue Plate, though. Poison isn't very good atm

[brisk lava]

They literally just nerfed weakpoint dr

[wicked parrot]

YOU GUYS READY FOR WARLOCK SUMMONER? ITS COMFIRMED

[brave pond]

if they want to be diving on a tank they should take thrust, even if it gets a buff to 20% thats allgood but weakpoint so broken atm

[main raven]

Thrust effectively has 20% if you have a minicrossbow in your offhand, since that adds 5%. Minicrossbow needs its own perk for you to even be able to hold it though lmao.

IMO, they should re-add the minicross back into the default Rogue's kit and allow Rogues to use the Survival Bow with a perk

[hasty sorrel]

The dmg is way too high across the board. Default lock and cleric can 2 shot ppl. Ranger white long can 2 or 3 shot ppl. Barb default can 1 or 2 shot ppl. Wizard default can 2 shot ppl. Default bard can run 320 speed and 3 shot ppl.. add in gear and every class is 1 or 2 shotting each other and rogue becomes the terminator

[signal kindle]

Halve damage across the board, double HP.

Let’s see how freaky we can get

[safe thistle]

can we talk about fighter sprint so that he does not move faster than a naked rogue and wearing plate

[grim vessel]

Cleric can't 2shot wtf are you on about? Maybe if you let them hit you with judgement twice in a row

[main raven]

Cleric Smite can 100% two-shot

[cursive solstice]

thats actually an interesting idea. instead of 2s fights and rolling through the dungeons we would have alot of swings, parries and around movement
healing could also be worse so you wouldn't actually run around killing people but carefully choose fights cos every one of them would take time to recover.

[signal kindle]

Would help the feeling of being insta killed as well, if everyone has a chance to fight back

Like rn? I’ve died to a rogue before he ever takes a step

[main raven]

I don't agree with this. If damage is reduced, "outplays" actually become impossible

[signal kindle]

Ah yes the outplay of getting triple shot back up and insta killing people

[cursive solstice]

tbh rn game is at it's best in terms of gameplay in 1-14 lobbys. almost noone has the gear good enaugh to one shot people.

[main raven]

What do you think happens to the gear disparity when everyone does less damage? You're just gonna get rolled by whatever team has the best gear.

[signal kindle]

The entire game is unbalanced rn, so im not even taking it that seriously. But if you do a -50% damage… that means the damage boosts from gear will be half as effective?

Rn a bard with 6 drums can clear out an entire dungeon by himself. Because that’s fair and fun

[grim vessel]

Base flanged mace deals, what, 29 dmg? Cleric has 11 strength base so that's actually about 27 damage. Smite adds 10 damage to each hit but does not increase damage on headshot. So you can deal about 50 dmg on a headshot with smite on cleric. This would be enough to twoshot SOME classes but cleric is so slow that it struggles to actually land hits, let alone headshots, and smite only lasts 7 seconds. So, yes, it is theoretically possible, but anyone with a braincell to spare will just back off until smite runs out. If you add on more buffs like bless and holy weapon then it becomes more favorable re:2shotting but again, braincell, back off till buffs stop

[cursive solstice]

I mean... you get rolled by whatever team having better gear rn. Unless you "outplay" them by playing ambush rogue or rat trap ranger (or a REALLY good wizard)

[signal kindle]

Invis haste fireball into a chain lightening. Skill

[main raven]

What I'm saying is that gear is gonna win fights. Instead of needing one outplay, you'll now have to outplay your opponent five, six or seven times. It's just bad game design.

@grim vessel Smite does at least 14 damage per hit thanks to the Cleric's base 40% Magic Bonus

[grim vessel]

Ok so 54 damage a headshot but again, cleric is slow as hell and the buff is very short

[signal kindle]

Gear already wins fights bro lmao. Having a stacked +1 all’s and str and move speed stuff makes you way stronger

[main raven]

Wizards can do some serious damage. They're very squishy against ranged weapons, though.

@grim vesselAnd? I'm just talking about the damage numbers

@signal kindle +1 All is nice, but doesn't win fights. Stacked +Damage is what wins fights

[hasty sorrel]

if you full buff yourself and use a like 9-11g grey staff you can easily 2 shot with smite with headshots or even 1 body

[muted moss]

games laggy man. keep dying when im behind people

[grim vessel]

staff is even worse than mace lol sure it adds to magic damage but the attack speed and reach are so bad

[cursive solstice]

on the other hand geared player would also need more hits to kill. it would just shift one shot ambush rat meta gameplay into brawl, smack, hack meta. you would have more chances to dodge, swing, move around

[main raven]

I was two-shotting players with a decent staff and Smite lol

@cursive solstice Your opponents don't have to do this. Believe me, longer TTK is almost always bad

[signal kindle]

Whelp, server blocked my message lmao

TL;Dr- game is gonna be fun when they balance stuff and add more classes. Let’s hope this game experiences the extreme changes like Tarkov has done in the past

[cursive solstice]

agreed. in the meanwhile do you have time to talk about our lord and saviour "gear mmr normal lobbys"? ->https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/472659/matchmaking-balance-calculation-suggestion

[signal kindle]

Took a quick read over it…. I almost want to agree, but also not at the same time

To alter yours a bit, what if they separated gear found in normal dungeons and HR dungeons.

If you’re wearing normal gear- you’re fine. Queue as is- wearing HR gear? Upgraded to another queue

[peak bane]

Hey so, has anyone gotten 6 blue stone shards naturally? Cause I did the math, and it's uhhh... well here it is...
1 shard = 25 extracts
2 shards = 50 extracts
3 shards = 400 extracts
4 shards = 800 extracts
5 shards = 1600 extracts
6 shards = 3200 extracts
Total extractions for Red Skeleton Skin which is 6 shards = 6,375 Extracts

[signal kindle]

Damn does it actually get exponentially more expensive?

That’s just silly

[peak bane]

@short sparrow How much more?

[short sparrow]

Hell and HR gives more points tho

[manic walrus]

no, his numbers are wrong

[signal kindle]

I wanna say I’m on triumph level 4- but I do a ton of HR GC on my warlock

And I’m definitely nowhere near 800 extracts

[peak bane]

can you seen a screenshot of your triumph level in my dms? Im about to send you mine.

[signal kindle]

Im at work currently, otherwise I would

[cursive solstice]

@signal kindle well i treat this suggestion more as a guide towards a change, not a change itself. the idea is just to prevent very well geared players joining normal queues where they have almost quaranteed extract and are joining mostly to score few cheap kills for god knows what reason since killing someone in grey gear having almost bis on self is not harder than destroying a barrell.

[subtle heart]

Do mobs take damage while they're standing up? Skeletons, mummies, etc? My extra attacks on them don't seem to do much.

[winged moth]

you are probably not hitting their head while they are in a pile

[signal kindle]

Ah, I see your reasoning.

What if in the 1-14 lobbies if they pass a certain threshold of item score like you suggested- they get booted to the 15+ lobbies?

Would help with people transferring their buddy a ton of blues/purples and then queuing on their low level

[signal sonnet]

When you use the longsword how do you activate the parry attack, I block hits from players but when I left click to attack nothing happens

[signal kindle]

Right click

Yup, hold right click until you get a parry, click right click after you successfully get one.

You have a certain amount of time to activate the parry, have fun!

[signal sonnet]

@signal kindle oh you just right click again after it deflects? No wonder I was getting so confused

[cursive solstice]

@signal kindle that would help but a very minor problem in my opinion, but help nevertheless. but it does not resolve those issues in 15+ lnormal lobbys.

[signal kindle]

Tbh, if you’re having issues at 15+, you have bigger issues. Especially now that you’re open to the trading at that level

I routinely bounce between broke and decently rich on my warlock lol

[long radish]

Magic damage is big

[lone dragon]

is ranger confirmed being looked at yet

[unreal prism]

devs said rangers are currently one of the unsuccessful classes rn

[gritty flume]

remove fireball push mechanic and wizard is balanced, class is so good because a good wizard doesn't get approached unless they make a mistake

[cursive solstice]

@signal kindle it's not that big problem i have myself. more like annoyance. tasted both normal and hr lobbys (mostly gc). had both few k in stash and 0 gold. but thinking about ways for the game to grow and players to stay imho you have to implement changes to create some space for average sunday player to have a few succesfull extracts in the evening, not getting rolled 5 times in a row by bis geared players in normal lobby. it won't even affect those who want to be as good as possible in this game since they will be free to join hr lobbys.

[signal kindle]

I feel, maybe they’ll do something. Extraction looters are always hard to balance like this, strictly due to the nature of the game.

Honestly if the game ever comes back to steam I bet the average skill level would drop a ton

[grim vessel]

This is because rangers are psychos and take every possible fight instead of trying to actually extract. If normal human beings played ranger you would see much higher extract rates

[lone dragon]

fr ranger was by far the easiest and most succesful class when I tried it, maye\be I'll try it again and see if there's actually a problem with it. I think I only played it in solos

[cursive solstice]

@signal kindle i;m not saying it's easy to balance out. it's hard af. rn im watching one of the top streamers. he queues normal lobby as very well geared fighter killing every match few people. his gear worth loads of gold. his reasoning not to join hr lobbys? because hr are "dead". what the average player does after few those encounters? either uninstall or creates a new character to have some fun in 1-14 lobbys.

[deep star]

Do we have any clue about the druid beeing released?

[manic walrus]

yeah they are

[hazy shuttle]

This game is less fun after you hit 15

[cursive solstice]

it is indeed. you can either delete you character and start over in 1-14 lobbys, or: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/472659/matchmaking-balance-calculation-suggestion

[weak umbra]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492622/dont-add-gear-mmr

[safe thistle]

the game is not meant to be fun!! it's supposed to be stressful and full of sweat, what kinda gamer are you?

[cursive solstice]

ahh, the moonguy, missed you

[ebon lion]

LMAO best rat play of my life

Hate on rogue all you want but I just killed a full purple ranger dude while he was fighting another team. Stole all his stole and ran while his team was stuck fighting other people.

(I did this with a common rondel btw)

[hazy shuttle]

i think they should take it back to everyone getting lumped together and maybe add a gear score tax for Non-HR lobbies to encourage moving up when you get stronger loot

[weak umbra]

i'm just sending a downvote option to your suggestion

[drifting hinge]

Patch today?

[weak umbra]

i hope so

[tame prism]

Really hope there is some incentive to do high roller soon. Might flesh out lobbies better. Maybe a certain point cap gets you an emote or outfit per season doubtful of outfit

[final vault]

What would the patch even be?

[drifting hinge]

Warlock upgrade and some balance stuff? maybe even Druid or Class level? Can only hope 😄

[final vault]

Please never add druid to the game, please ironmace. Although a warlock buff or new features would be lovely

[weak umbra]

why?

[cursive solstice]

@hazy shuttle gear score tax is interesting! make a suggestion, share it and ill ppbly upvote. at one point you would pay so much to even join normal lobbys it would be even more pointless to play normal as a well geared player.
@weak umbra i;m flattered, but it's not my suggestion. i;m just spreading the gospel.

[final vault]

Warlock needs buffs or new features because he is way weaker than every other class. And druid would completely ruin the balancing of the game if he has multiple forms and multiple sets of abilities

[lavish adder]

gear score tax?

[hasty sorrel]

why does it take 3 months to remove slow on arrows man, why does that shit exist?

[cursive solstice]

@lavish adder i understand it like thi: you are all purple cape bis geared rogue and want to enter normal lobby for some reason. your gear score is high. to enter the normal dungeon you have to pay 200 gold. or you can join hr lobby and pay 50 (or put on white gear and enter normal lobby for free)

[drifting hinge]

What if you are broke

[lone dragon]

have to not wear legendaries in then probably

[cursive solstice]

@drifting hinge 1st case: you are broke and have basic gear -> you join lobby normally. 2nd case: you are broke but have bis gear -> you put down your gear in stash and join normal lobby for free.

[lavish adder]

then don't go in with full bis or do rat runs in common gear.

[hazy shuttle]

Basically in normals after your equipped gear passes certain Gear score thresholds, you start paying a fee to use that gear in low tier lobbies, similar to the gold fee of 15 to trade.

The tax would go up the higher your score is, thus making it harder and harder to be profitable in low tier lobbies with lower grade loot. Making it impossible to justify spending the tax for normals, so instead you go high roller, which would have say a 25 gold fee but no gear tax.

This encourages players to move up the difficulty ladder in order to remain profitable, and increases the "Reward" of HR in the risk vs reward system the devs have instead of trying to lower the risk or the reward, we make the reward worth the risk and more appealing

[weak umbra]

you can still use bis Greens and abuse it

[lavish adder]

players would start minmaxin their green gear, yeah.

[sick knoll]

rogues making the game unplayable for me

[dry rune]

Where do you use old rusty key? We went to the door that it used to be but thats a normal lockpick door now

[cursive solstice]

@weak umbra if that was the case bis greens would go waaaayyy up in price and reducing the problem anyway

[sick knoll]

so you think rogues are balanced at the moment?

[lavish adder]

idea sounds interesting, tho atm i'd prefer ques for "looted items only" (traded items are disabled) and "traded item included" (all items are enabled) - of course this could be abused too, to some extent.

[hazy shuttle]

better good greens than full rubysilver and purple sets every game

[dense forum]

Other than voip, the 2 new classes, new maps, and new weapons and spells, anyone recall any content they added since the original alpha a year ago?

[weak umbra]

so it would hurt normal players that want to buy a cheap green set

[lavish adder]

in a way, yes. But when you actually kill duo or trio with "full bis", it's insane jackpot for your whole team. You can also try avoiding players with rubysilvers, since ya can spot em far away (which reminds me: another suggestion; make different rarities of items look slightly different, so you can know if the wizard is in starter gear or full bis)

[hazy shuttle]

it would change the economy's value of good low grade gear, but the point is that its a lot harder for full rubysilver trashcans to try and lobby stomp normals if they have to pay a bucketload of gold for the pleasure, and if green is all they can afford the chances of them dying go way up, thus making buying that good green gear, which is still only green, a little less worth the investment

[gritty flume]

bis players should have huge loud flaming auras around them at all times

[lavish adder]

this

[drifting hinge]

Personaly gear tax sounds very annoying, just make bigger maps so you dont always have to meet the best geared people, and if you still meet them, you have a chance to get some really good gear

[hollow raven]

Does jewelry make a difference or not?

[vestal falcon]

Best thing in the game

[hazy shuttle]

Different grades of gear already have differences, as for just avoiding them, on the last circle when they are camping for kills its not really an option, or when the kitted one is a rogue. I cant outrun a rogue thats in full pruples

[weak umbra]

bis green is better than average purple or even legendary at any time, most of these purple guys are running cheap purples with useless stats and maybe +1-2 stat they really need

[cursive solstice]

@weak umbra true. but i'd risk that for the sake of overall experience

[lavish adder]

Only for special, crafted items, right? There is no visual difference for grey vs legendary items.

[ancient mango]

Anyone else getting bored of how the games coming along? The gears to easy to get so we need more frequent wipes or some sort of match making.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492073/proposal-for-monthly-wipe-day

[vestal falcon]

Trade is trash I have to much gold no room yeah getting old

[lavish adder]

trade metagame is 2nd best thing in the game.

[weak umbra]

so you would risk economy colapse, and system abuse for gbmm?

[hazy shuttle]

There is a circle dude and its a PVP game too, you cant just try to take out half the gameplay mechanics to avoid an issue

@weak umbra i have never seen a Legendary not be as good baseline than a green with its one roll lmao, nowhere near the level of the average purple either.

@lavish adder there are very little crafted items rn, but yes for those, but all gear has slight increases in visual quality, if the enemy looks freshly polished you should run

[lavish adder]

the heck, they do? I've played a lot and i've never realized there is visual difference, not even when swappin my own gear. Need to check in-game and then check my eyes irl.

[weary axle]

HAving to wait 111 hours as a new player to access trading is so terrible... everyone running better kits than I am and I cant compete until i get trading :/

[weak umbra]

SOME legendaries are worse than greens, its more about purples

[vestal falcon]

No one can trade till 15 so ur on a even playing field bud

[lavish adder]

it's all about rng & rolled stats; green item can b better than purple.

[weary axle]

I have 3 slots at level 20 already, it's not hard to level at all and I still have 60 hours to wait

[vestal falcon]

Make a 1-15 I over and over like 90 percent of player base is

[cursive solstice]

@weak umbra this game already suffered few economy colapses, and new ways of abuse are invented all the time. it's early access. every change will backfire somehow (+3 all items, keys duping, free hr). every change can be reverted. yes, at this stage of the game i would risk economy colapse for the sake of finding opimal resolution for the known issues.

[ancient mango]

I've maxed every class... This game needs a wipe

[weary axle]

Dont you see the core issue with that? 💀

[vestal falcon]

Lmao yes I do I legit have 15k gold and still making 1-15 so many issues my friend

[ancient mango]

Agreed this is the only fun I've been having.

[weary axle]

Then you see why Im complaining about being trade locked for so long, meaning I have to rely on remaking slots over and over? I know its early access but still, 111 hours is just too long

[hazy shuttle]

You are talking purely rolls, youre forgetting that they have higher AR and such by a long shot with the same movement debuffs, a legendary with bad rolls will in almost every case be better than a max roll green, same goes for most purples.

You arguing a gear tax system would just result in everyone running greens is exactly my intention with the idea.

Greens can be outplayed a little bit by someone in commons, someone in full rubysilver and cobalt really cant unless they are having a seizure mid fight, and even then they may win

[weary axle]

I agree, in other games people will always minmax with there being optimal solutions, and having full green is not a massive power boost over a common set

[hazy shuttle]

<@&988703997378584596> Please take note, yall missed a duper

[weary axle]

If they would make high roller more valuable to run, purples wouldnt see any decrease in value, and greens would become more important as well @hazy shuttle

[hazy shuttle]

I suggested a 25 gold fee but no gear tax in HR, so it still drains resources to go into but it ends up costing less than running normals

[weary axle]

so it encourages higher geared players to go there instead of bullying normal lobbies yea

[weak umbra]

these were temporary price drops. Imagine what happens if you can buy bis green gear for a price of average purple gear, whats the point of buying purple and risking it in HR if you can buy bis green and stomp normals by min maxing the limit? and then more people will do it so it means less purples so they will be cheaper because nobody would buy them anyway, making it so green is more expensive than purple.

[valid lily]

anyone else having desync problems when entering the game. 1/5 times it just cant connect and have to restart the game. Didn't have this issue before

[ancient mango]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492073/proposal-for-monthly-wipe-day

Only way to fix this game in this state is to have more frequent wipes to keep people on the same playing field rather than duped/broken team comps. Took the fun out the game

[weary axle]

The point is playing hr is more rewarding and you are progressing and making more money than you ever could in normal. Thats why good purples would sstill retain value, and bis greens obviously are also gonna rise in price, but thats not really an issue

[stable gale]

i'm a lvl 5 warlock , what should i use for goblin caves ? (perks)

[weak umbra]

not really, wiping whole lobby in bis Greens still gives you more than hr

[jagged dew]

the switch character perk

[weary axle]

Honestly getting to level 15 and then being steamrolled by full purple rogues when i dont have access to trading is so mind numbing

[stable gale]

ah what should i use ?

[main raven]

Towture Mastery and either Malice or Dark Reflecion IMO.

[hazy shuttle]

Because in greens a few well placed goblin hits can spell your doom and a rogue jumping you is still a threat, full purple gear is less concerned about that

[exotic canopy]

eu frankfurt games not starting?

[weary axle]

You're assuming that full bis green is as powerful as bis purple; normal sets have a fighting chance;

secondly, if the gear tax thing is added, your income from using full green bis and going into normal would still be reduced. As it stands now, full purple bis in normal destroys everyone without a fighting chance

[supple scroll]

re queue

[vestal falcon]

Gear tax wtf you talking about go away

[cursive solstice]

@weak umbra create lobbys only for max white gear. there - no problem wits op green builds in normals. anyway due to basic gear stats most of the green stuff is worse than average rolls purple.

[vestal falcon]

Do you not understand I will just join ur white lobby and still smash you. If your losing the 1-15 now it's a skill issue only

[viscid hamlet]

goblin merchant is a charlatan literally a fable on why not to gamble money

[weak umbra]

well i'm not talking about gc. rogue can still melt you and your gear doesnt really matter, maybe except fighter and barb
@cursive solstice white gear lobby with only white gear dropping and no sellables, sure

[weary axle]

If you look at tarkov, a person that is fully kitted can still easily die to a normal player even though they spent millions more on gear

Doesnt really exist in this game which makes it awful to deal with

[hazy shuttle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492896/gear-score-tax-system

Yall need to stop trying to split up the playerbase like its onions that need dicing chill, think broad solutions not cutting off sections of territory for each type of player

[viscid hamlet]

is there any suggestions on the website for people to stop crying and get good? i'd vote 4 that

[vestal falcon]

You do know good players will just join ur new lobby and you will still die right I mean 1-15 test should tell u all I have full purple at like lvl 5

[abstract isle]

Delete rogues please.

[hazy shuttle]

its probably more about the fact you bragged about duping 40+ keys like common scum

[weak umbra]

you can still kill a fully kitted ranger wiz or bard with grey castillon or kill a fully geared fighter and maybe barb if you can dodge with a grey spellbook

[cursive solstice]

oh, so you are playing this game to smash noobs, not to find challange suiting your skill? still getting killed by another same geared player seems fair.

[ancient mango]

Mad you didn't? I'm rich this wipe and you're broke. I Can't wait to roll you in +3 att full set 😎

[viscid hamlet]

dog u duped 40 keys did they let u keep them?

[vestal falcon]

U know most people are just hunting for pvp qt this point right? Like wtf do u want me to do farm more gold I can't even store

[weary axle]

At incredible difficulty, its not even funny how hard it is

[hazy shuttle]

Not really, i derive pleasure from succeeding without the need to cheat thanks

Also casually im sitting on 4k with my Bard rn and almost a full legendary god set so im not really scared

[ancient mango]

Don't hate the playa, hate the game. Yes I kept them lol you can't delete duped stuff unless it has item ID which most games don't for some reason.

[ancient mango]

Only 4k 🤣 it's been a while since wipe you should have more than that

[weak umbra]

its difficult to kill a fully geared ranger with Grey castillon? just stab him 3-4 times with backstab ambush and weakpoint and he is dead

[frail kettle]

so many weird incels in this discord

[cursive solstice]

i know it and i see this as an issue that could be somehow resolved. and ofc there will be people trying to exploit it one way or another. it's just rn it is wayyy to easy to just join normal with bis gear and score cheap kills. let the noobs play their pace in their whites or the game will quickly decline in number of players.

[unreal prism]

white gear fights are funner anyway. and scrappier

[cursive solstice]

they are indeed. they are slower, messier and dorky

[hazy shuttle]

Did i mention the God set? wasnt cheap, besides, i bet you had like 600 max before resorting to duping keys.

Nobody does that unless they are a little on the broke side other wise

Everyone sees you for what you are, quit your flabbergapping ye ol wet sock

[unreal prism]

sweaty meta fights are the most boring things ive ever seen

[cursive solstice]

not really sweaty since they last like 0.1s

[unreal prism]

😂 boring and short. but you know for sure them purple meta squads sweat their asses off for that 0.1s

[uneven ermine]

game just gives anxiety straight up, build up to the end loot all these items your giong to make it and your dead

[queen marten]

Ye its either 1 sec or a full minute of fighting and dodging

[cursive solstice]

@unreal prism do you mind upvoting the suggestion than? https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/472659/matchmaking-balance-calculation-suggestion mby devs will see the issue and change it 😉

[wicked parrot]

DONT WORRY GUYS SOON WE CAN PLAY WARLOCK WITH NEW SUMMONER SPELLS, DEVS CONFIRMED!!

[unreal prism]

upvoted. im not new to DaD by a long shot and i still prefer that sandbox white gear feel from the first playtests. now everyone is so f**kin concerned bout min/maxing. must be lonely at the "top"

[cursive solstice]

it is lonely at the top. poor streamers/sweaters can't find noone in hr lobbys and are joining normals lol.

[unreal prism]

lol i think they miss the whole point of what made this game fun in the first place

[vestal falcon]

It is no room in the bank 3 mins per match in HC

[arctic cove]

Just fought a hacker who could lag the servers and just freeze you in place, seems hackers are now owning this game

[unreal cosmos]

Whats better, barb or fighter

[arctic cove]

Guess this is how the game dies, dominated by hackers and servers that cant even run the game

[short sparrow]

It does

[cursive solstice]

@desert bridge today is new patch. mby devs dealt with it. stay and see 😉

[unreal prism]

what's the dupe glitch

[fossil birch]

[arctic cove]

Congrats devs you killed your own game, you left the game with 0 updates in the patch of playtest 2-3 and the game would be more alive than it is today

[astral cargo]

A you issue

[cursive solstice]

you enter game with and item, you disconnect the game, you don't lose item, your character stays in game, your teammate kills your character and pick the item ingame and extract with it. now you both have the said item. rinse and repeat. or at least what i heard, never tried it tho, cos it's lame af.

[cerulean dagger]

Is there a way for rogues to open doors without making any noise? Like does their perk for reducing sound while crouching impact doors? I have had multiple cases throughout the day where a rogue opens a door nearby me and I hear ZERO sound of the door opening.

[uneven ermine]

as a joke, I tell people that just start back from playtest 3, just before adding ruins not that ruins is the problem. IDK what changed but the fights were more balanced maybe everyone didnt know meta or maybe cus gear only lasted 2 weeks at most. Maybe its the avaliability of gear being its now what 3-4 weeks into the season? I'd say that like 30-50% of the fun of this game is the excitement of finding the awesome gear and well who doesnt have a horde of stuff on their level 20?

[arctic cove]

Hackers can turn off audio queues, they can make no footstep, door, chest opening or audio sounds if they want

[cerulean dagger]

I was trying to not jump to hacking accusations, was just wondering if there was a legitimate way or if possibly there is some sort of bug like the crouching perk impacting door openings when it shouldn't be. I have played this game for several hundred hours since the play tests so I am pretty keen to sound queues but I have seen like 3 different incidents today where there was 0 sound made at all

[scarlet vortex]

shrines gotta go

[uneven ermine]

your the very first to say that one lol, speed shrine?

[cerulean dagger]

Sounds like someone that died to someone using a shrine and they had to immediately go complain =/

[uneven ermine]

lol nerf shrines and every class but mine

[cerulean dagger]

Yep, every class is over powered except the one I am currently playing, and when that changes in a week I need you to revert the changes to that class and nerf my old class

[forest relic]

are they patching for sure today?

[dense forum]

@forest relic You former Darkfall player?

[uneven ermine]

i get a laugh out some of the complaints when they get mad when you die to a classes specific kill zone and want to nerf the class, like ranger; if your trying to fight a ranger in open area in front of him with nothing in the way your probably gonna die

[indigo oracle]

Anyone got a link to the traders guild discord

[wide lark]

WTB Golden Key. DM me

[forest relic]

yea

[dense forum]

@forest relic Dolphin Rider play with you too?

[indigo schooner]

remove rogue invis.

[scarlet vortex]

nah im the one who killed a rogue using a speed shrine as a barbarian lmao, literally punching him to death at 350 speed and his last words were "This game is so fucking shit"

[forest relic]

sadly naw. havent gamed with dolphi in a while. who is this homie?

[cerulean dagger]

yep, unfortunately there are so many people like that which creates so much garbage noise that Devs need to filter through. Too much to ask of people to do a little reflection and introspection on what happened. what mistakes were made and what they could have done better.

[dense forum]

@forest relic You wouldn't remember me. I was a no-name DF:UW player who started playing in 2015, and got decent around the time that the game truly tanked in pop lol. I went by Storms Blade. I never leveled a DFO char.

[arctic cove]

Boys its been a year, the game hasnt improved in fact its gotten worse and more buggy. I think this is it, we've passed peak Dark and Darker.

[forest relic]

i do remember that name a bit! and nice to see a darkfall brotha! seen many so far in this game

[scarlet vortex]

yea the honeymoon period for me is over, the game just doesnt seem like what it used to be when i first played in christmas

[violet coral]

Thoughts? https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492899/flamingpoison-arrow-nonop

[dense forum]

Hit me up if you ever need a player 🙂 - I haven't heard patch confirmation today, but patch confirmation for this week sometime.

[mental veldt]

pls undo level lobby changes, struggling to fill lobbies rn at 15+

[forest relic]

sent you a friend req. should be on pretty soon and yea down to game some for sure

[arctic cove]

Shhh let the devs kill the game

[cerulean dagger]

Well the great thing is the game is in early access and you already purchased it so you can take a break and come back when more content is released and the game is further refined. The game feels very different because a lot of the playerbase knows what they are doing now compared to everyone being total newbies at different points of the learning curve. You don't see maps where 80% of the lobby is dead in the first 3 minutes to PvE like you did in the play tests. This creates a very different play experience. There is also still a ton missing as far as character customization/progression (i.e skill tree) and there are a very limited number of maps that most people know inside and out at this point.

[gritty solstice]

lf duo ruins

[violet coral]

fax

[upper quest]

Fighter or warlock mele(BoC and phantom) what is better in your opinion? Option 1. No gear, option 2 full gear

[uneven ermine]

we have had double the time to have our inventorys compared to the playtests as well since season started. that matters. probably a big contributer to the "snowballing effect"

[spiral nova]

what are goldkeys worth atm?

[uneven ermine]

i choose fighter, pick up a basic falchion and run shield with counter attack,switft, combo attack, and fourth optional with adrenaline rush and second win basic gear use adrenaline rush as much as you can get used to it way better than fast running youll win way more fights with adrenaline rush, i choose weapon mastery for my fourth perk so i can pick up cheap bow in those certain situations

[raw ore]

Devs ain’t killing nothing

[cerulean dagger]

I routinely kill barbarians with relative ease on warlock but struggle on fighter, I think warlock is far more gear dependent though. Warlocks play entirely differently with gear compared to in base kit.

[uneven ermine]

fighter you just gotta outspeed his swing dont let him get up on you block and pick away at him some fights the barb is just gonna win hes the counter i would think, try to run out his buffs they take a lot of time to reset and they are hard to fight

[upper quest]

You mean melee warlock without spells or with spells?

[spiral dune]

fighter is better in group play and with full gear, but warlock BoC is broken right now and is fun to play with longsword/parry solos.

[uneven ermine]

anyway that build i just posted i gota triple kill in goblin caves against a ranger to start who had me in trap and i shoulda died, second was rogue and third wizard who also had the upper hand. Adrenaline rush with falchion you swing so fast and it hits for like 60 damage.

[cerulean dagger]

I genrally play falchion+crystal ball with either longsword or spellbook as option 2. I like Warlock's ability to a) engage at mid range and wittle down opponents with curse of pain / sacrifice (although missing sacrifice will expletive deleted YOU HARD) b) have area denial with Hellfire when you need to kind regroup yourself/pop prot pots etc c) have amazing burst damage with BoC that a lot of people don't respect and counter play properly.

[uneven ermine]

warlock with all the magic healing is really strong rn too tho those curses really hurt and dont really show your being hit you just notice a chunk of health just disapeer lmao

[upper quest]

Warlock healing is nice but you need movemwnt speed, he is so slooow

[cerulean dagger]

Yeah you don't even need to go crazy with it, I rock a decent kit but nothing crazy, mainly blues and I run only +8 magical healing even though I could run higher but I wanted my other slots to be more stat focused, my warlock is at 24str 19agi 33will 19 knowledge 13 resourcefullness 117hps 305 move speed with a kit that is probably under 1k gold.

[uneven ermine]

nice ya warlock to pull goes great with rogues and rangers lol

[cerulean dagger]

I think BoC's heal reduction is slept on also and a lot of people don't even know it has that effect. So often I see fighter's pop their 2nd wind in vain after BoC hits. Kind of makes me like the fact that it's 70% reduction instead of 100% so people take longer to realize it is fucking their healing hehe.

[unreal prism]

wow..

[cerulean dagger]

I really don't think it's quite like that or at least there is a lot more too it. I have been in some lobbies the past couple days where EVERYONE was disconnected besides me. I killed a couple people and extracted (and watched many others die to the swarm) but after the round was over I didn't keep any of the gear I extracted with and I had my original items from before entering.

[scarlet vortex]

iv done it multiple times, got like 20 keys from it

[valid lily]

Anyone else get stutters ? It was fine for me for the past month. But now for two days its unplayable. Had one match todey perfectley smooth, and now again stuttering so hard I cant even fight mobs

[worthy abyss]

How yall feel about bard? Is he overpowered? What are some ideas for nerfing him if you think so?

[unreal prism]

gotya. but there IS a way of duplicating items tho right. what a lame thing to do

[cerulean dagger]

I've heard it was fixed already actually but it was occurring like a week ago or osmething.

@valid lily The game started stuttering for me a couple weeks ago but it has actually been good for me the past couple days, sorry to hear that you are dealing with it, it really fucking sucks stuttering into a mob's swing or trying to run into a fight only to constantly be stuttered back several feet.

[static onyx]

Anyone rocking Viking sword, it’s better after the animation buff IMO

[mental veldt]

What is a popping server rn? both NAs dead 15+ lobbies

[cerulean dagger]

Are you liking it? I'm not really a fan of it's motions, it feels slow like using a mace but I feel like it doesn't have the same damage. Idk if I'm just too used to other sword like weapons in the game but it feels like the range is a lot shorter than I intuitively feel like it should be, causing a lot of misses.

[gilded minnow]

The Viking sword is still hella cope imo. Use a horseman’s axe

[sick totem]

Ofc na dead, it's morning still lol

[cerulean dagger]

I mean you can at least understand why someone would try to make it work though, right? Every barb runs horseman's, and some people just like the sword fantasy over axes. But I agree if you want performance there are better options from what i've seen

[gilded minnow]

I mean ig ¯_(ツ)_/¯. I even think hatchet is better than Viking sword if you wanted to mix it up but I don’t have that mindset toward the game I just like what I find strong/effective/fun

[static onyx]

Sooo in my experience the 37 damage Viking sword does more damage to the head and body than horseman’s with executioner and axe spec (when the horseman is <=26dmg)
I just think it’s good as a barb

[versed moat]

heres a fun thing. ive actually encountered MORE caped full gear players in low level lobbies since the update

[hard wharf]

You really suffer from a drug like withdrawal when you don’t play for a while

[wicked linden]

bard is the best solo class in the game and you can't change my mind

[runic minnow]

agreed, i play a bard with starting gear and absolutely no class scares me, this class is utterly broken and unfun

[small skiff]

we need a cleric to loot chill and maybe go down we are archer and fighter

[sweet solstice]

how long from bard first release to him being finished?
How long do you think warlock will still take to be finished?

(I started only a month ago)

[wicked linden]

how fast do you kill troll? I've done in it a minute 10 seconds with bard lmao (barely any gear)

[scarlet bronze]

warlock can kill in less than a minute with base gear

[wicked linden]

yes. but you are 1 HP and easily counter-able by the endo f it

[wanton otter]

can't wait for warlock summons

[versed moat]

is that a confirmed thing coming? or speculation? that would be sick asf

[wicked linden]

necromancer class?

[wanton otter]

some dev QnA between a few youtubers ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_nfwPZlwJ8

[versed moat]

oh hey im actually watching that right now

[surreal notch]

Where have they mentioned it? I haven't seen anything about a wipe at all.

[twin grove]

i hope it's friday

[surreal notch]

Is there a wipe coming up? My friend keeps saying it's next week but I havent seen anything about a wipe at all.

[twin grove]

last time they announced the wipe 1 week ahead of time and have made no announcement. the leaderboard also has a few days left on it. so the earliest would be 3-4 days. but my guess is it's more likely to be 7+ days out.

[sacred ice]

there are rumors about a bigger patch, which might come after the leaderboard season finishes. so thursday or friday. but there‘s no announcement for a wipe. only rumors

it would make sense to wipe because of many items floating in the market which are pre-patch. but there‘s no official date yet

[feral shell]

DAZHUNGA GOT BANNED FINALLY BRO GOTTA BE ONE OF THE WORST CHEATERS I MET IN THIS GAME

[surreal notch]

Makes sense.

[proven token]

lol all lobby is rogue fighter barb

[lilac juniper]

He'll just buy another acc..

[feral shell]

thats fine make the loser spend money just to get banned again

[runic isle]

Who tf is dazhunga?

[broken dome]

Are the servers really slow atm? Cant even get vendor stock to populate

[cerulean dagger]

Anyone have issues with the Cleric Smite ability not working? I press the button and the animation performs but I don't get the buff / it doesn't go on CD, I mash it like 5 times or so and every time it performs the animation and eventually it will work but time is so valuable in this game that every time I'm performing the animation with nothing happening I'm getting further behind in the encounter. Also, before anyone mentions, no it is not due to client side cool down issues, I'm having this happen even when I haven't used the ability in over a minute. I've never had this happen with other skills like Blow of Corruption / Acchiles Strike / Triple Shot / Rupture etc. This has happened across multiple lobbies and I'm not lagging in any other way.

[wicked parrot]

I think you use the ability, and then activates when you attack?

[scarlet vortex]

power shrine the worst shrine

[tawny glacier]

whats push to talk in this game

[peak crypt]

Yeah I’ve experienced this, and I’ve seen it happen to FireboxYT on stream, too. Specifically with smite.

[fair marlin]

yeahhh same idk why

[rigid raft]

how does new old rusty key room look like? still golden pile?

[silent pilot]

Idk about y'all but I'm getting tired of the sub 15 lobbies, if you play during off hours you're lucky to get 5 people in the lobby and you have to wait the 2 minutes between games. Really lame.

[cerulean dagger]

So I tried testing that and that isn't the case, when it activates the buff immediately shows, has nothing to do with attacking unfortunately, so no fix there =/

[gritty flume]

back yet again complaining about how jank the terrain and collision are; died AGAIN to getting trapped by spiders and being unable to jump or crouch vacuumed to the floor for some reason

[silent pilot]

Kill the spiders first instead of ignoring them. Or play rogue with double jump, they can jump over them.

[regal spade]

But I don’t want to kill spiders

[fair marlin]

I was stuck for 3 minutes straight one time lol

[spare elbow]

Spiders can be killed, another cool thing is you can kill the jar they spawn from to stop them from spawning more

[fair marlin]

you clearly haven't been in a situation where you can't swing you're weapon because you are stuck on a wall too

[regal spade]

Wait the I thought the jar was invincible

[spare elbow]

No gold pile and from what I understand and key doesnt open the room anymore anyway.

[gritty flume]

should just be able to ride spiders tbh, game would be way better. Objectively

[sacred ice]

yeah. new warlock skill: summon rollerblade-spider-mummies. let‘s gooo

[spare elbow]

Ok im done trying to type. The weirdest words are blocked in this discord… lol.

[wanton skiff]

teaming in gc needs to start being punished its out of hand, but who couId have seen it coming when you guys aIIow teaming as Iong as its 'organic'

[weak umbra]

true, half of my messages are blocked

[lilac juniper]

A lot of cheaters make money from doing it tho 😔

[weak umbra]

just kill 1v2, skill issue

[wanton skiff]

you cIearIy have a brain issue moonguy if i want Iip from you iI rattIe my zipper untiI then stf

[spare elbow]

Lets assume you walk in a room with two guys facing off eachother, one is a lobster caped fighter with a crossbow, the other is a basic ranger. The last two portals in the match are in this room. There is 0 chance you can sneek a portal given the way they are fighting. Do you help the ranger kill the geared to tits fighter , split the loot, and both leave happy? Or do you mindlessly fight them both, both of you die to geared fighter, and lose everything? This is why teaming has to be allowed because its gonna happen naturally even without voip. Anyone with half a brain is going to decide to double team the kitted guy instead of trying to 1v1 them after waiting patiently for them to finish their fight

[weak umbra]

gc enjoyer

[wanton skiff]

not readign your book pinky, its very fn obvious its ffa 1v1v1v1 its not rocket science

[scarlet vortex]

should they add damage numbers when u hit people

[cerulean dagger]

Sounds like you don't want to listen to any counter arguments. There are plenty of reasons to not want to fight someone. I.e if you are low on resources and aren't sure of winning. Is not attacking someone considered teaming? Do you not understand how nearly impossible it would be to try to police such a rule?

[wanton skiff]

what counter arugements are there too teaming up in a 1v1v1 ffa format you peopIe are fn stupid

[spare elbow]

The goal of the game is extract with loot, not kill everything in sight. In fact given their publicly stated intent to slow the pace of the game, it seems they want players to be even more careful about picking and choosing their battles when possible, instead of face rushing evert player they see.

[wanton skiff]

peopIe are teaming before the game even begins in the Iobby, if you want to team theres 2v2 and 3v3, teaming in gc needs to start being punished because its gotten out of hand so very obvousIy

[cerulean dagger]

The person calling people "fn stupid" is surely the one with the strongest argument so you are right master of the universe.

[spare elbow]

If you are struggling with the game after level 15, i suggest making a new character to level 1-14 again. It really helps you learn the game playing against other players with less skill slots, less gear, snd often less skill.

[hollow raven]

golden teeth price?

[warped lintel]

If you’re an adventurer, and run into a another adventurer, why couldn’t you talk and decide to team up? You can always just run away if you’re not that guy

[wanton skiff]

this is what i mean seether by ppI are fn stupid Iook at pinkys response, saying i need to Iearn the game to not get teamed up in gc honest to god actuaI retar

[whole veldt]

how about arena mode where you can 1v1 people or do team battles against another team wagering gear, maybe even have spectators that can bet on the fight

[spare elbow]

Im just saying if you dont like the way the game is played at high level then play at low level. I played GC for 2 hours straight yesterday in 1-14 lobbies and saw absoluetly 0 teamers

[wanton skiff]

teaming up in GC is conisdered high IeveI again pinky stf up you are stupid

[cerulean dagger]

You haven't answered my question though. How would it possibly enforced? How can you determine someone is teaming rather than deciding to avoid a fight with someone because they think they will lose or they have looted something very valuable they don't want to risk? Is it teaming if 2 people come across each other, don't attack one anotehr but then split up and later they both happen to come across you from different angles and they attack you because you are in between them?

[exotic gust]

@spare elbow play OCE lobbies, GC is plagued by chinese teamers

[fair marlin]

teamers are a bunch of lil n@##@$

[whole veldt]

I see more teaming as like hey lets gang up on this geared dude

[spare elbow]

Buddy chill, and stop reading so far in to what i say. Im talking about LITERAL level as in 0-14 or 15 plus, not level like skill level as in how good players are at the game…

[wanton skiff]

you are a dum f trying to condone teaming up in ffa 1v1v1 format

[cerulean dagger]

Teaming up with people that decide to team up in Discord before a match is very different than organic teaming and I have heard of the issue in OCE (espeically in HR goblin caves) and it sounds like a terrible situation and I'm sorry you guys have to deal with it. Hopefully they region lock a certain country which has a lot of bad actors in the game.

@wanton skiff You still haven't answered my question about enforcement and some of the situations that could be viewed as teaming.

[wanton skiff]

dude WTF am i READING teaming before the IObby and this 'organic' teaming is the same fucking thing hoiy christ

[fair marlin]

same thing yeah, just 1 is justified