suggestion-discussion

[hybrid holly]

What does that mean? Sorry I don't understand English.

noooo

[teal creek]

you could sign on with the god of thieves to be rewarded for pickpocket or looting

God of war for fighting (full health) opponents

god of peace for defending or healing other players or killing monsters

god of chaos for being a murder hobo

[icy knot]

Oh sorry I meant change current pve mode into offline one

[hybrid holly]

It sounds good like karma.

[hybrid holly]

Ah, that would be great. I'd love to play offline pve in a trio with a friend.

[full patrol]

HR for sure. I mean, both are fun, but I prefer HR over Normal.

[hybrid holly]

ah no. I wondered which was more fun, a free farm or a farm with people.

[icy knot]

There would be no need for pve mode if devs focused on dungeon crawling in the dungeon from the start

Instead we got Battle Royale with CMM

[icy knot]

@hybrid holly if you guys/devs trurly stopped reading stuff here
so maybe removed this channel
or change it to same format as #1214939921488543774 , but user sees web suggestions in here

[hybrid holly]

I've thought the same thing as you. IM read here, but maybe the format could be changed. I wish there was a Discord feedback channel.

[icy knot]

IM if you read here
I love you guys 🖐️

[full patrol]

Oh...well, from my point of view...a person who doesn't care about rankings or numbers or grinding AP for that demigod color so I can get that nifty new skin...it's pretty nice being able to take the dungeon of my choice, Normal or HR, with the normal lewt tables, which will be new and fresh and load up in 6 seconds every time...free of red gate campers and griefers, free of landmine rogues, free of sweat beards chasing people down across the entire dungeon...being able to pit myself in a zero to hero HR in squire gear or just a torch and some heals...knowing the chance of being messed with by another player is like....1 or 2%, maybe. So for me...it's better. If you enjoy pvp, you won't enjoy the Test, if all those skins and stuff are important to you, you won't enjoy the Test. It's personal preference really.

[hybrid holly]

I know how you feel. I'm fine with hack and slash too. No pvp needed. So the test will be fun. But I want the Demagod reward lol.

[full patrol]

I ground out that demigod a few seasons back. Afterwards, it felt...not amazing as the effort I put into it. lol There's a discord channel with a few people on it who do bosses and team up for a fun dungeon crawl. Therer's people there...I would say 30 on average, Sometimes as high as 50 or more, sometimes only a few people. You could play for hours and probably never run into anyone. lol

[icy knot]

Maybe performing a double jump should cancel any utility and attack animations for the sake of balance?

Being able to perform the entire utility animation across two jumps without losing any movement speed is insane.
Perk is so strong it is on the same level as abilities
just like purge shot

[storm quiver]

Playing this game for a year and all I see is decline so decided to write my ideas maybe anyone out there reading this. Probably won't play until they fix those problems if they ever going to
my game suggestions:

1. Problem: players camp red and if they make a single mistake they just disappear, they don't get punished. they just escape the fight and it's crazy annoying. Fix: add a lever that opens a gate for 3sec and auto closes.
2. Problem: boss camping. most bosses have some mechanics that are perfect timing to intervene by other players. since they are at the door camping, they don't risk anything and just hold the door. no risk for them, crazy risk and annoyance for anyone doing the boss. Fix: make players unable to leave boss arena once they started the boss fight. If someone comes inside during the fight they must be unable to leave arena the way it is now. It's either should be gate with a lever that takes time to unlock like my first suggestion or some other mechanic, preferably player intervene the boss fight to be completely unable to leave the arena. That way they have to commit if they want to ruin the boss fight for others and not just triple jump out of the arena as druid.
3. Problem: Druid is out of control, it's form change mechanic is completely blatantly overpowered and annoying to the point that I'm pretty sure most players leaving the game due to it alone. There is hundreds of ways to fix it, no reason for my own opinion on this topic.

[fierce field]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/688160/bladehand-reworkremove-balista-phase save me sanity or offer me wisdom

[icy knot]

ok

[spark marsh]

Dear developers, give us a gift for the new season. Add crafting for unarmored fighters. Or maybe dual swords in a season.
@keen onyx @hollow creek @dawn grotto

[languid narwhal]

anyone else having a issue where it kicks you out of the game when only fighting lich? it happens to me every time, it says a error occurred and sends me back to the lobby with all of my gear. no issues with banshee, spec, warlord or gk only lich.

[icy knot]

yes, wardens/devs are already aware of the bug

[languid narwhal]

thx

[bitter thicket]

Can we buff druid

[wind coral]

planned

new season will introduce dragon shape

[brisk fog]

worm shape is planned too

[limber elbow]

The game is dead. They announced a new season in January, so everyone held out hope for a whole month until January. After 8 days, they started announcing it at the end of January, treating the players like monkeys. How can they create a masterpiece that could be remembered for generations but lack the brains to develop it? On the outside, the game looks like a giant, incredibly beautiful robot, but inside it's hollow.

[icy knot]

bro hates devs because ha has to wait 3 more weeks

[patent mauve]

Make ruins the first floor for every dungeon, keep ice map, maelstrom and goblin caves queues up, but make it so there are red statics that can take you to every map from ruins. A watery cave entrance for goblin caves, a forest module with a layer of snow heading to the ice caves along with stairs leading to the crypts, add a dock with a boat that takes you to the water map. Then if rotating maps/ random maps come back, you still can get to the map you want 2/4 times.

[patent mauve]

Spiffer mommy

[spark marsh]

Yeah, right, a fire salamander. A small lizard covered in fire, slightly larger than a penguin.

[icy knot]

I hope season 8 will be as peaceful as this one
No crazy patches annoying playerbase

[frosty juniper]

wide open red stairs and ratting druids are killing the game

[near abyss]

weve had like 0 balancing changes and no new content wdym

[queen niche]

Revert the change to allow water map on squire playlist. Performs the worst by far. Have to curate a specific spell list and potions to actually enjoy the map. Just unfun. Most of the time loading into water map teammates immediately kill each other.

[icy knot]

Balance was good enough in comparison to previous seasons

[ripe belfry]

Buff squire to riches so artifacts drop from boss

[icy knot]

artifacts dropping in s2r or in normal game mode is good content for casual players like myself

[tepid rain]

Make PvE loot quality same as PvP high roll? ANY OBJECTIONS?

[icy knot]

btw I just played ranger and I think there are 2 different door models in goblin caves
on some window doors I can use hunting traps on some I can't

[icy knot]

If you lean toward dungeon crawling in normal mode—which I hope will be more prominent in season 8 because of the 7x7 maps—you could try changing adventure mode into a random map mode. This way, it becomes a place to learn the basics rather than a spot to farm quests or money. (Some of the harder quests in normal mode feel like a “stand still” difficulty in PvE.)

btw that change you made to HR maps mid season kinda bad. everyone was coping that players don't play the game because HR is random map. it was all BS. this change didn't made a dent in active players in steam chart.
@keen onyx

I expect some queue change in season 8

[tepid rain]

Make wizard great again. Make him one shot in squire gear

[granite plinth]

It’s end of season and I did and always will refuse to play random HR

[icy knot]

Understandable

I didn't play the game when there was no solos

[granite plinth]

I played SDF’s vision and hated it, solos should not be forced to 1v3 (or be able to)

Somehow I never quit during that time, I felt like I had to carry the solo demon torch 😭

[icy knot]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/688701/add-a-visual-indicator-showing-when-dark-magic-spells-are-empowered-by-dark-shar

maybe map rotation will come back for some modes

[ripe belfry]

They need to start over like I stated before many many many times trio balance is not a good form of balance in a game that is predominantly solo players

And has many disparities in trio comps where you end up only seeing one type of comp healers buff balling

So then you get a game where ranger rogue and bard can not inflict enough DMG against a cleric barb fighter to potentially full kill any of them

Tbh any comp without a healer is throwing

Stop nerfing all the classes and buff them to be able to deal with whatever is being complained about

[tired acorn]

having a support class rn is throwing

[ripe belfry]

I mean cool they listened kinda to my last rant about making the gameplay loop about getting bis to take into arena and adding a artifact arena but I don't think anyone asked for us to lose everything on a loss

[ripe belfry]

😂 you mean not running ranger wizard warlock is throwing

[tired acorn]

why would i have a cleric heal my 0 armor ranger when i could have a sorc stop the enemy team from ever damaging my ranger

[ripe belfry]

Wizard is the only counter to heals because of his bs anti heal where he has a hit scan explosion and a fireball AOE that is very hard to miss

[ripe belfry]

This guy's got jokes the w key brigade has yet to strike when the time is right (precisely after 2 merged spells legit just hold w with hands out and you will 80% of the time catch a sorc that has 5 spells on cooldown)

[tired acorn]

so the w key brigade is just sitting around tanking arrows?

[ripe belfry]

Or are healing as they hold w from a cleric just point and click simulator

[tired acorn]

having a support like cleric druid or bard has been throwing for a long time idk what game you been playing

[ripe belfry]

Bard can free kill any caster and clerics recent heal buff makes it actually impossible to kill a team that is coordinated

Idk if we play the same game then again I main ranger and sorc

I used to only play warlock and fighter but I play ranger when I want to win or I'll play rogue and when I want to play for fun I play sorc cuz sorcs move set is fun when you can win with it

But the funnier thing is 3 fireballs and clerics heals mean Jack shi

[tired acorn]

fighter and barb have famine warlocks have boc rogues have psn wep, rangers have purge famine is basically free since no ones worried about healers in this game anymore

[ripe belfry]

I hate to say but like I don't think I've ever actually seen a single soul run famine in the dungeon like ever except for when it was first found

[tired acorn]

yeah no one runs it anymore cuz healers arent op anymore everyone has less health less dr and does more damage

[ripe belfry]

So it's a me issue when my entire team has say for example in a simulated dungeon experience aka arena 700 DMG per person me on ranger having 1.6k DMG it is my team 1 win vs the other team with 2 wins they have significantly less DMG done but the heals total 2k is this my fault because I'm not playing wizard or is it a balance issue or a skill issue because my quick shot double headshot with longbow does not full kill the 50pdr heal machine

2 heals he's either half hp again or a little over half and his team starts just body blocking so he can sanctuary and they all don't die even when we focus him all together or focus one specific person

Sure being able to out heal a 1v1 is more understandable but 3 entire people unloading spells and arrows at you meaning literally nothing because it does half the DMG it should do essentially is wild unless you happen to be a wizard with 6 fireballs and some explosions

[tired acorn]

cleric cant out heal someone hitting them 💀

[ripe belfry]

Unironically when you could gem all attributes and move speed a while back and get 2 true on gear was probably the most balanced I have seen the game

[tired acorn]

what is there to heal when the reckless barbarian just 1 taps someone and makes it basically a 3v1

[ripe belfry]

Then you have to ask a question is your team coordinated because mine sure as hell was and they just huddled up together like the Spartans from 300 and sanctuary

[tired acorn]

having a support class in the arena is a fk were gonna lose moment

[ripe belfry]

My guy you ain't played with good healers man I hate to say this but this games skill level across the majority of the player base is about middle aged father with 4 kids that works 10 hours a day level

[tired acorn]

yeah warlords are bad you right, its totally not you not being good

[ripe belfry]

Is this solo q we are talking about

[tired acorn]

if you are a 40 year old father with 4 kids i can see why you think having a healer is op

[ripe belfry]

I mean like it's how it works in every game where a person can heal bot TF2 overwatch marvel rivals healer vs no healer equals you lose but in this game that is entirely thrown out the window by one class wizard fire anti heal

[tired acorn]

1 blue bandage = 1 cleric heal btw

[ripe belfry]

You only fight people with blue and purple heals ?

Does that not mean 1 heal from cleric and a blue bandage and you are full hp

[tired acorn]

every dps class has anti heal but sorc technically just cant use famine in arena atm

[tired acorn]

yes higher up everyones got an inventory full of meds every match

[ripe belfry]

Like there is this even crazier thing where a cleric pockets a dark offering warlock with all magical healing and they are almost immortal

You can build to scale your clerics heals on top of what you are rocking if you have extra gem slots and crafted gear permits that

[tired acorn]

building magic healing does not make your cleric heal more only the clerics magic healing makes him heal more

[ripe belfry]

The magical healing scales what ever heals hit you wym ( after further investigation and a trip to pve mode it appears it was placebo and my clerics heals are just high AF in his kit )

[tired acorn]

have a good day sir

[ripe belfry]

Yeah you too man ♥️

I still believe wholeheartedly they need to re balance for solos regardless and basically re do the game

[icy knot]

Fighters were mad in the past that Sorcerer got access to Longsword. That class has access to Cutlass and Longsword same as Warlock Should only 1 parry weapon be given to these classes to improve class distinction?

I think every class should have access to fast clear weapon. But what about Warlock? he has also access to halberd and bardiche without need of any perks. Should he be given a polearm mastery perk to allow usage of such weapons? yes. but wasting perk slot to play with 2 more weapons without any buffs in it wouldn't be good. maybe access to more weapons should be given in upcoming(season9/10) training system?

[ripe turtle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/688826/rogue-suggestions-for-pickpocketing < Please leave a vote if you like the suggestion!

[opaque sinew]

Who complains about other classes having longsword lmao

[icy knot]

barbs?
noob barbs that strugle with longsword?

[zealous sparrow]

Squire Arena When

[fossil fossil]

I agree. The ability to gem any roll, at a smaller % was amazing. Even the true and +1 all.

[ripe belfry]

Hold w hit toes

[fossil fossil]

Nah, warlock should have a perk for pole axe weapons if anything. +5% action speed and a block/party at the cost of the right mouse attack.

[ripe belfry]

Would be a fan if every weapon had a parry honestly

[fossil fossil]

Agreed

@blazing vapor Shadow touch scaling when? The perk is poopoo now that soul collector gets triggered.

[elfin hemlock]

verbal components for spells would be elite

[icy knot]

I wonder if devs want to keep combat as simple as it is

simple suggestion:

Every weapon has different number of swings. Make the final swings more creative and outside the box.

more options suggestion:

Allow players to have more options in combat. Add 3rd possible action beside attack and block. Or let players use 3 skills instead.

combo suggestion:

Allow specific sequence of input to create new moves

[rare sparrow]

Get rid of Druid sdf you know it has to be done only reason it hasn’t is 100% because sdf is a rat himself

[granite plinth]

My suggestion for a rework to the Questing System in order to make them feel more meaningful and fun: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/689082/quest-rework-scripted-dungeon-events

[abstract bone]

someones upset 🙂

[icy knot]

fix this
#warlock message
#warlock message

[queen niche]

remove water map from squire

[blissful crane]

Where do we report teaming in solo as cheaters?

[peak ermine]

As an aspiring game developer, if we desire DK class being an undead class, they take more damage to divine magic, they take more damage to divine magic, they cannot be ressurected by Altar of Sacrifice

New perks:

-Ressurection of Darkness(1): After death, the unholy knight ressurects to fight again with 50%HP with 10% magical and physical damage reduction for 25 seconds. (stackable by camping)

Shadow Touch renamed to Chaos Strike - Deals 5 true/physical damage with a melee weapon

Antimagic: Gain 25% damage reduction against all magical spells(even dark and evil damage) and lowers their duration by 25%, but amplifies divine damage intake by 25%

Soul Collector, instead of gaining 33% dark power bonus from each it kills, it now gains 33% of DK's Health and an Eldritch Shield that reduces 33% Physical and Magical Damage Reduction(So basically a superior Moral Boost)

Aura of Corruption:While active, reflect 15 Dark Dark Magical Base Damage (75% Scaling) to the melee attacker and reduces their HP regeneration, physical and magical damage by 15% for 8 seconds.

Active Spells:

Soul-Shattering Blow: DK's next attack deals 15(1.5) true dark magic and deals 15 dps to the enemy target and reduces the target’s physical power and magical power by 25% for 5 seconds. for 8 seconds.

-Chaos Bolt: Releases a chaotic bolt of energy at the target, upon impact deals 15 true magical damage and reduces their movement speed by 15%, reduces the enemy's physical damage and magical damage reduction by 15% for 7 seconds. (Cooldown 7 seconds).

Warlock Balances:

-Removed Demon Armor perk
-Removed Dark Reflection perk
-Removed Shadow Touch perk
-Removed Antimagic perk
-Removed Dark Reflection perk

Warlock loses access to Halberd, Bardiche, Longsword

[light flume]

dawg just keep aspiring to be a developer

[bitter mason]

GAME IS DEAD HAHAHHA

[icy knot]

Older players love this game so much they come back just to remind us how much it means to them.

[ripe turtle]

I bet this game would sky rocket if there is a crossplay service and you could actually play the game in a console.

[hollow finch]

Please bring back teams in arena over 2200, not being able to play with my friends is heartbreaking.

[tepid rain]

Game is so docking dead

[zealous sparrow]

Squires arena and multicalss for adventure mode

[blissful crane]

If only this games mechanics could be incorporated into an RPG like Baldur's Gate 3, w/o all the bs soap opera sheite of that game. That would be fun!

[blissful crane]

Did a Warlock touch you wrong?

[icy knot]

@keen onyx @hollow creek @devs
have you thought about that?:

Arena item grade will be unlimited,
but artifacts will be lost on defeat.

if not maybe you can cook something out of it for next season

[blissful crane]

No one wants to lose their hard earned or crafted gear.
I would instead have a prize for the winner.
Keys, choice of 3 items, central chest open to looting after a win.
Many things could be done.
Losing your shit isn't one of them. 8-)

[icy knot]

ok my bad we should stay with hardcore arena where all items are lost upon defeat

[blissful crane]

Hardcore is just a season ending event, it is not permanent

[icy knot]

didn't know that
thanks

Did you know there is a wipe in 2 weeks? 🤯
just letting you know

[icy knot]

Keys

[icy knot]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/689565/timed-penalty-instead-of-item-removal-in-arena-qol-improvement

[narrow tree]

day 69420 asking for tumble buff 🥺

[abstract bone]

denied.

[abstract bone]

i saw what you deleted

[narrow tree]

(it wouldnt let me post crying cat gif in here so this will have to suffice 😭 )

[tepid rain]

MAKE WIZARD GREAT AGAIN

[ripe belfry]

Add duel swords and life on hit attribute

Rip dungeonborne it did not deserve to die it was this games only competition and it was killed by the lack of money and devs

[zenith raven]

Add a recruit-a-friend system, when a new player buys the game, have some sort of code where both players get a torch skin or something

[ripe belfry]

why can ranger shoot as many arrows as humanly possible while sorc has a 18 second cooldown for a elemental bolt

[icy knot]

Why barbarian can use double axe but rogue can not? Both are humanoids beings

[icy knot]

?

[full patrol]

Class envy can be a game killer. Try and stay in your lane. If you want to shoot arrows, make a ranger, want to cast spells...don't make a ranger?

[ripe belfry]

so play the game vs dont play the game that does not seem balanced in anyway shape or form

this is not trios balance

being able to cast a few spells at a time with long cooldowns doing a fraction of the dmg a wizard and a warlock and a ranger can do is insane when they all have hitscan damn near

[full patrol]

There are many advantages and disadvantages to every class. So while it might "seem" unbalanced to you, doesn't mean that it IS unbalanced. Maybe they could make all the classes exactly the same except for their skins?? lol

Or...why even have different classes, make everyone play fighter, give them access to all skills and spells and abilities. That'll make it 'balanced'.

Or...forget that, make everyone play fighter and don't give them ANY skills, abilities or spells. That should make everyone happy.

[ripe belfry]

why have a class that is countered by the entire cast

the only actual match up that is somewhat fair for sorc is a cleric with very low move speed

its a matter of can my class perform on a scale similar to the others in most situations yes balanced no not balanced

[full patrol]

I've seen people play sorc, they hold their own. If you're struggling with it, try a different build.

[ripe belfry]

in the dungeon they are holding their own or is this arena

there is a massive difference

[full patrol]

No one gives a crap about the care bear, risk free arena.

[ripe belfry]

then where do you see sorcs holding their own at because i just checked and i see no sorcs in dungeon

before the nerf to cds and casting time yes they could in fact hold their own

[full patrol]

Or maybe even over powered?

[ripe belfry]

you do realize holding block with a shield negates 90 percent of what sorc can do

[full patrol]

Ya, no shit. It does the same for a sword.

You envy what other classes can do. That's a tough way to play a game.

[ripe belfry]

it is significantly easier to hit someone around a shield than with a spell that is projectile based

[ripe belfry]

no i play every class and realize that when i can 1v3 as ranger there is a severe issue with the games balance

[full patrol]

Well that depends now doesn't it. How good at blocking with a shield are you vs. how good at targeting with spells are you. Those variables don't mean there is a balance issue.

[ripe belfry]

this should not be a thing BOWS SHOULD HAVE SWAY YOU ARE HOLDING A 100 POUND DRAW POTENTIALLY AND YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD A DRAWN BOW LONGER THAN 5 SECONDS https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/lSDVS6E8VwyexKM-N/spok?invite=cr-MSxGelksNDQzMTAwMjc2LA

[full patrol]

I'm sensing your ranger hate is influencing your sense of "balance".

[ripe belfry]

how is it ranger hate when i touch the class a couple times and lost zero times with it so now its a Hate induced opinion instead of a valid evaluation

[full patrol]

Because your eval is tainted.

[ripe belfry]

this is biased from your perspective because you wont accept that some classes have no counter

cant land mine them if they have chase cant close the distance if they have multishot or backstep with a spear and they innately have high movespeed with the gear that is most commonly used

where is the counter play please explain

[full patrol]

I just watched you descend into ranger madness. You went from RANGER shooting too many arrows to holding a bow with 100lb draw...you're all over the place dude. Pick a f'n lane already. lol

And now...counters! Come on man, don't lie to me. Just tell me you hate rangers.

[ripe belfry]

ima put this as simple as humanly possible this game is not balanced and needs adjustments and all i can do is suggest and pray the devs take the time to at least watch clips and see what people are saying and test themselves instead of listen to people like you

[full patrol]

People like me?? Old, retired dudes? lmao You crack me up. Thanks!! I needed that.

[torpid acorn]

so there have been no further comments from the dev team on the "hardcore arena" event?

the only comment everyone wants to see is the removal of the hardcore aspect and something tells me that wont come to be since its already been 10 days

[eager horizon]

Hello Dark and Darker Team and my fellow community members,

I’d like to suggest an Arena-focused feature aimed at improving the experience of casual players, with the broader goal of increasing player retention and overall population.

Suggestion:
In Arena mode, introduce a separate, Arena-only gear system that players can freely customize. This gear would:

• Be usable only in Arena

• Be crafted freely, with full stat selection (no RNG rolls)

• Be changeable at any time, at no cost

• Never carry over into dungeon gameplay or affect the economy

**Why this helps casual players (and the game overall):
**
Dark and Darker is heavily gear-dependent, especially in PvP. For many casual players, the reality is that they will never experience what it feels like to run their “dream build.” The risk of losing expensive gear, combined with the massive gold/time investment required (often hundreds of thousands of gold per character), creates a barrier that most casual players simply won’t cross.

By allowing freeform Arena gear, players could:

• Learn how stats actually affect PvP performance

• Experiment with different builds, playstyles, and class identities

• Develop mechanical skill and game knowledge without the fear of loss

• Feel motivated to continue playing and improving rather than disengaging

This system would effectively turn Arena into a learning, experimentation, and mastery space, while preserving the high-stakes tension of dungeon runs. Importantly, it does not devalue dungeon loot—if anything, it helps players understand why certain gear is valuable.

Benefits to the game’s population and longevity:

• Lowers the entry barrier for new and casual players

• Reduces frustration caused by gear disparity

• Encourages experimentation and build diversity

• Keeps players engaged even when they can’t commit to long grind sessions

Creates a healthier PvP environment through informed players

The core risk-reward identity of Dark and Darker would remain intact, while Arena becomes a space where players can grow, test, and enjoy PvP without prohibitive costs.

Thank you for your time and for continuing to develop such a unique and compelling game.

Best regards,
A dedicated Dark and Darker player

[ripe belfry]

✅ 💯 🔥

[icy knot]

SDF once these noobs fall in love with your arena mode don't change it to the extend that this guy is describing.
You're gonna lose players in the dungeon. They will get bored with your game quicker.

[queen niche]

Remove druid from game please

[abstract bone]

Nope 🙂 druid here to stay easier for you to remove yourself from the game

[queen niche]

I didn't think of that, thanks bud 🙂

[wicked matrix]

Druid will more than likely see a rework that will narrow its specialties and make them choices rather than all being present all at once. It'll feel like druid is gone, but druid will just be different

I.E If the druid can do panther, bear, and chicken, it gets no healing

but those forms would get stronger of course so you'd need to contend with that

[opaque sinew]

Do not cook

[wicked matrix]

Thats the only real way to fix druid. Theres a plethora of things you can do to make a form stronger on paper that isnt just more damage and hp.

[opaque sinew]

This part ok, animal forms do not need any buff after spell removal

[muted mountain]

get rid of dreamwalk

[opaque sinew]

It needs more removal, rat and bear or panther gotta go

[opaque sinew]

^

[muted mountain]

nah, thats fine. i think it just shouldnt be a "can do everything" class. mobility damage healing etc.

if they make it to where you can have 2 shapeshift forms base. and then have to use shapeshift mastery to get an extra 1. it'll help a little bit.

[opaque sinew]

A class shouldn't have access to panther and bear at same time, you can't just be rogue or barb in middle of fight

[opaque sinew]

Long as druid has choice between bear and panther, would work

[muted mountain]

eh, i think both is fine. but having chicken panther mobilty and everything else isnt. so 3 shapeshifts max. should be what druid is. you'll have to pick wisely.

thorns should also not be a druid perk. it just doesnt align with the class. it should be a spell not a passive thing

[tawny rapids]

I really think being able to rebind the “leave menus” button from esape to any other key would be a really nice quality of life change

[abstract bone]

Druids fine just gotta learn to play better

[eager horizon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/689794/freely-customize-arena-gear

[glacial veldt]

Here's a way to play Dark n Darker casually when you have little time. It's a really good idea.

[frosty juniper]

Its good and bad imo, good for casuals to actually be able to fight on equal terms so more of them will play most likely, but it is also kind of a choke on content because you dont have to grind the gear first. Which in itself is kinda fun to do (at least the first time around).

They should also either pick SSF or no SSF, the way it was now was just auction house with extra steps to craft gear for bis, which was not really SSF. Maybe crafted gear should only be crafted by ”char” if all the materials are ”looted” status, or crafted gear shouldnt be allowed in the arena. Gotta pick one or the other imo

[errant path]

Bro if these guys announce a "Lava Map" I'm finally done for good I hope they understand we don't need more maps we need the ones we already have to improve

[remote hamlet]

PvP currency like WoW. Winning arenas earns a currency. Your capped at earning a certain amount per week. Gear bought with the currency is minted. Hitting 2200 unlocks a varied gear set with no more than 2.5% stat bonus total.

[limber elbow]

@dawn grotto Hopefully, the game development team won't make the same mistake as with the Sea of ​​Shit map launch. Creating a new map means adding more maps but lacking players, which will only lead to even fewer players if it's a separate map. Instead, let all current maps connect to the new map, because generally, any area leads underground to volcanic lava, and the game's story will be completely connected. Players from all maps, upon descending through the red gate, will converge on one map, solving the player shortage problem. For example, the Hell map has too few players, so the Ruin map will have four layouts. Upon descending from Hell to the red gate, players will be rewarded by having all their inventory items sent directly to the Expressman NPC, and then a final battle will take place on the Lava map, gathering all players from all maps.

[ripe belfry]

Straight up please buff everyone so that everyone can 1v3 if they are good enough so I don't have to accept that I am dead when I am full hp and my team mates get double shot by a crossbow and just fall over so I'm stuck alone to get touched in non consensual ways

[ripe belfry]

No one is op if everyone is op

Please take notes from dungeonborne that game has some quality of life and balance changes this game desperately needs like the combat aka attacking and blocking / parrying was perfect and not jank like this game if you utilize the mistakes made from competitors you can improve your product to the point where it's more desirable than any game that will become available in the future @dawn grotto @formal kestrel if you can find a way to get sdf to listen to you and rebuild the combat to where it feels smooth and using a longsword does not require you to pray you have better internet than who you are fighting this will be a step forward in a good direction after that just like before look at each class just as kits and 1v1 potential against every class making sure they have a counter and by counter I mean a class that should be a tough fight but not a impossible one that is what a counter is when every class can have that middle ground and feel good in most scenarios then you focus on the gear and stats that come with the gear like bows and crossbows having armor pen or books and staffs having magic pen what do they actually need to be viable is a good start to look at when it comes to damage numbers and gear balance

[rare sparrow]

No suggestions from me I like the game exactly how it is with all the rats and abnormal behavior ❤️

[icy knot]

we don't need another 1 v 3 vision

[ripe belfry]

I prefer that vs oh gg even when I have full hp but they chose one specific person to focus on my team with range just deleting them from the battle

[patent barn]

As an active Dark and Darker player on the S/A server, I would like to formally register my dissatisfaction with the recent direction of the Arena. What could have been a strong competitive and engagement-focused feature has been implemented in a reversed and ultimately harmful way. In its current state, the Arena feels detrimental to the game and conveys that the test server has lost its purpose, making it difficult to justify investing time in this mode.

The constant and abrupt changes to the Arena’s ruleset—first unlimited Arena access, then restrictions to crafted items only, and finally no restrictions at all—create the impression that players are being used as test subjects without a clear vision or consistent communication. I sincerely regret this outcome, especially because I actively supported and advocated for this mode on the S/A server, only to feel disappointed by what it has become.

In contrast, the drop rate of named items in HR appears to have increased significantly. Without any patch notes or official communication, I personally obtained five named items in very few matches over the last 72 hours, including two from the same boss. The lack of transparency around such a significant change only reinforces the feeling of improvisation and imbalance.

This complaint is made out of concern, not disregard. The current vision for the Arena feels unclear and misaligned with the experience many players hoped to build. I genuinely hope this feedback is taken seriously, for the sake of the project and the community that continues to support it.

[whole vigil]

remove horseman axe from fighter no one using that garbage and make recurve bow native to fighter next season, replace templar with champ armor, make Stefan Beret available to all classes @keen onyx

[spark marsh]

As you already understand, Slayer will not be at this event. Nor will there be any data collection for him. He is still unfinished in many aspects. There is no artifact in the left hand, no blocking. There are no melee mechanics that could save your life from van-shot death machines. There is no crafting of necessary items, weapons, and armor. I hope you will pay attention to these aspects.
@hollow creek @keen onyx @dawn grotto

[icy knot]

remove bardiche from warlock

[hollow finch]

Why would you make it so that you lose all your gear in arena? This will decrease participation and there is already a low number of players in arena.

What could have been a fun artifact arena weekend is now turned into a gear check where no one stands to gain. Might as well run my artifacts in the dungeon to at least have a chance at getting someone else's gear while risking hundred of hours worth of gear.

[blissful crane]

The fighter: It has a natural ability to use a Crossbow, but does not have any Perks to enhance the ability.
Let's add 4 more perks to the Fighter, there is space on the character page for them.
Okay, how about 1-2 perks for Crossbow Mastery and faster load speed?

Hmm, that is an idea. Perhaps have conditions on taking the new perks. Like if you take the Crossbow Mastery perk, you can not take the Weapon Mastery Perk. I like it! No Gain without Pain!

[spark marsh]

It would be better if the fighter could fight better in close combat and not die on the way, rather than turning him into an archer with a crossbow perk.

[blissful crane]

Could be a that you have a slow computer, until I got an upgraded computer with a 4070, I found the game difficult and left for a year. After a new computer and gave it a new try, I find the game very easy, and I hadn't been very good at it.
My main is a fighter, I don't find it difficult at all. You have to do like everyone else, carry 5-6 stacks of heal pots and bandages. Though I hardly need that many these days.
I run a Recurve Bow and Viking Sword and Lantern Shield. I used to run the Longsword, but just find the shield much more useful, and the counter attacking blades come in handy. If you are bossing, break out the Longsword for it's reach. You could go spear also, very good weapon with blocking ability and long reach.

[spark marsh]

I don't have the problems you're talking about; my problem was described earlier. Don't judge by yourself.

Even if I strike first, I will die. This is no good.

[blissful crane]

I didn't see your previous post, I'll scroll up.

[blissful crane]

I will fondly remember watching 2 fighters duel it out in the hell/lava level.
Sword and Board vs. Slayer. The Slayer won, it was a dance of mystifying elegance. He knew exactly where to be to avoid blows, and to dish them out. Slayer takes a lot of skill, nothing more to it.

[spark marsh]

I don't dispute that skill is important. But I long ago outgrew the naive belief that skill is everything.

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1446508221362602055

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1446584275297370276

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1445500985500893214

[blissful crane]

AYe. If the Slayer could use Plate, that would be better.
Slayer is very squishy like Rogue w/o it.

[spark marsh]

No need for a slayer plate. Under no circumstances. Better to at least give the perk a chance to take it, protective. No plates. God forbid!

[blissful crane]

So what are your solutions for fixing Slayer?
Do you have a concise list?

[spark marsh]

You will ruin the game and have to delete it. Allow players to choose defensive perks, and the action speed perk should be included in the Slayer perk. For durability, it is sufficient to craft Brigandine, Gambesons, and other heavy types of leather and fabric.

[spark marsh]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1446508221362602055

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1446584275297370276

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1445500985500893214

[spark marsh]

Also, it would be fun if the fighter could choose between using franciscan axe or throwing knives. By choosing one, he loses the ability to use the other.

[ripe belfry]

BUFF THE AMOUNT OF LOOT THAT CAN SPAWN IN TRIOS double the amount of pulls you can take from piles in trios and double the amount of items that spawn in chests

[rare sparrow]

Games really good definitely don’t change anything especially solos where you feel like you never win and always lose

[brave nova]

Adjustable training dummies: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/690492/adjustable-training-dummies

[acoustic ruin]

AAAIGHT what is even going on with this new arena season, who's dumb idea was it TO HAVE US FIGHT FOR NOTHING AND LOSE EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENCE!

[hollow finch]

1000%, way to ruin arena

[whole vigil]

I would rather they remove crossbow from fighter and make recurve native

why tf does ranger have 2 exclusive weapons, non of the other classes have exclusive weapons if you think about it

also they should just remove the gun weapon that thing is useless from the start and still is

even rangers dont use that garbage, and I very rarely see any crossbow rangers

crossbow dont allow them to use the broken 1 tap 12 gauge shotgun skill

[ripe belfry]

Crossbow ranger is actually busted btw

Make set bonus gear that have effects you unlock when you wear more of a set

[neon sentinel]

HUGE idea. That would be awesome

Like minor artifact level buffs at 2 pcs and 5pcs. Something small but still noticeable

[ripe belfry]

Hell yeah

[urban spire]

UPDATE ARENA FAST !
WE WANT TO SOLO QUEUE !
WE WANT TO KEEP OUR GEAR!

[blissful crane]

As this season comes to a close, it is very telling how much more enjoyable the game is with better gear. With better gear you can actually get further in the game in terms of rarer monsters and their loot.
Without really good gear, most players get nowhere.

It shouldn't be that way, progress in a game should be based upon your skills accumulated over time as you play - experience.

I suggest DaD start moving towards a more expansive experience and skill point system, as Dungeons and Dragons is meant to be played.

Otherwise, one can see players leaving at the start of a new season, as they wait for gear to be more plentiful and less costly.

Also, levels of gear should be restricted to character levels. New characters should not be able to fit high end gear. It's just cheating, and the players know it.

Seeing level 15 characters in full unique sets shouldn't be allowed to happen.

[spark marsh]

Well, I'm more interested in improving my close combat skills than my ranged combat skills. A fighter, a slayer, for example, should be a terrifying close combat fighter, and should not lose to an archer in close combat. Tell me, who among you is afraid of a slayer right now? What do you think when a slayer appears in front of you? (Oh, victim, I'll give him a couple of blows and he'll die.)

[tired acorn]

just play rogue

[spark marsh]

A slayer and a rogue are two completely different things. He should not be a rogue. I want to play for Slayer, I play for them and I will continue to play for them. I want to achieve the development of this dead branch.

[desert geyser]

Currently, the wizard with the Rondel Dagger is weak. I propose changing the "staff mastery" and expanding it to include daggers as well.

[ripe belfry]

PLEASE REMOVE ARMOR PEN FROM ALL BOWS

[opaque sinew]

Helll noooo

[brave nova]

...Do you know why Demon's Glee fighters are frowned upon? This would basically be that, except ten times worse. Hard no.

Anyway, I propose we bring back the ability to write whisper messages to people without needing to be friends with them. There was no reason for this to begin with.

[opaque sinew]

^ you could've already tick the option off in settings pre patch, no needed that

[brave nova]

Yea, exactly. I fail to see any reason to remove this.

[icy knot]

In league by default you can't message the enemy

You have to change it in settings

[cobalt plinth]

Wat

The game is gear looting.....that's...

That's the point..

Am I being baited, chat?

[icy knot]

Gear diff must exist!
But lowering gear diff is always good

[ripe belfry]

literally just buff everything base gear and higher gear

current squire gear lowkey sucks for most classes

while some of it is perfect because other classes have very decent base stats

[icy knot]

And somehow squire gear fights are the most enjoyable amongst community

[ripe belfry]

lowkey squire to riches on barb goes crazy

[tired acorn]

no nightmare mobs and nothing to lose its not that squire gear is anything enjoyable

[subtle gorge]

Please Bring back some quality of life past updates. Dungeon recovery on HR x.x your players aint that hardcore so why make them suffer. just from a solo standpoint. By the grace of gods if you find my body its yours but by the grace of the goblins... let me buy some of my shiat back x.x

[icy knot]

Rethink how many QoL things they added in this season

[subtle gorge]

i think theyve removed more than added lol

[icy knot]

You should re read all patch notes in season 7

[subtle gorge]

I think you should go over it repost the game saving patch notes lol

[icy knot]

Indicator What items are Quest items

Quick fill button addition

Constant interaction speed with corpses improvements

Menu improvements

Additional pages to emote wheel

Tome of knowledge bottom updated

Improved visibility of certain equipment icons

Lots of improvements in water map for player enjoyment

Improved dungeon and arena result screen

.

And there is more

Entire season 7 was QoL improvements

[full patrol]

1. Make all "Luck" potions Uncommon.
2. Make gold coin purse Uncommon.
3. Change Wizards "Magic Lock" spell to a "Knock Knock" spell that can open locked doors and chests.
4. Change wooden doors so that every time they are used, there is an increasing chance for them to break in either the open OR closed position with max chances limited to 3 when it will break for sure in either the open OR closed position.
5. Add a quiver slot, separate from inventory and utilities spaces that holds 4 stacks of arrows, bolts or throwing weapons.

[next pond]

I LOVE TO BOSS I SHOUILDN'T HAVE TO LOAD INTO A BRAND NEW MAP AND HAVE BOSS ROOM OUT OF CIRCLE...

[icy knot]

welcome in season 8
season where sdf promised once again he will remove the circle

but don't worry we might get fog of war added to the game eventually to slow down your progress and give you some dungeon crawling vibe
.

🧠

I have an amazing idea
because you guys love farming 24/7 and bossing so much how about we remove every single module from the game and we leave just bosses to farm!

7x7 map with just boss rooms! that will be great change!

[frosty juniper]

considering the devs usual out of touch updates season 8 will contain:

• New form for Druid, Boar form, can charge very fast across a module, deals damage and stuns on impact.

• Red stair added to every module.

[icy knot]

no monkey?

chyunkus is even emoting its monkey

[frosty juniper]

oh yeah maybe not boar form, monkey form, can climb walls and roof swinging by the arms, travels 1.5x faster than normal

throws bananas that if walked on makes enemies slip and fall, stuns for 5 seconds and 10 second -50% slow afterwards.

[cobalt plinth]

Lowkey, a boar form where you can only charge, and charging lasts a whole minute and you can't stop it would be hilarious

[icy knot]

SDF
you gotta fix this
#dnd-content message

[ripe belfry]

@keen onyx I am almost certain that genuinely no one wanted artifact arena where we lose our gear please bring back the old artifact arena where we keep everything please and thank you

Whoever said they wanted hardcore arena is actually a liar because what's the point of going in arena and potentially losing a artifact and not gaining anything

[cobalt plinth]

Honestly, not being able to take the loot you earned with you is shrimply misunderstanding the definition of hardcore

[ripe belfry]

No one asked for this

[next pond]

• Mob Aggression switch need to be fixed. the npc will do a attack mid combo and switch while in animation. you can reproduce this when anyone more then one attacks 1 mob.
• Circle should never close on any modules within the first 5 mins especially boss rooms
  This should help our unexperienced players a better replayable experience when losing or dying to pve mobs / boss or doing boss with pvp kits equiped.

[ripe belfry]

@keen onyx we want the arena to stay please dont try to remove it on wipe the entire player base wants this arena to have 3 modes competitive solo and unranked
Competitive is ssf gear only up to epics unranked you can bring anything and lose nothing solo it's 1v1s and you get to keep gear we don't want mobs in the arena we are strictly there to practice pvp or test builds on people with different builds if you want a even more definitive answer do a poll amongst the players and make a educated decision before trying to remove something that the player base likes we are not in arena to trade we are not in arena to kill mobs we are not in arena to loot we simply want to enjoy the game
We go into the dungeon find good gear and test it out in arena put together a bis kit then go into the dungeon to fight people and mobs and profit

@dawn grotto @formal kestrel please I can Only beg you guys so much to make the right decisions

90% of the time I feel like this thread is just so we can feel like we have a voice when we really don't

[light pebble]

no your just bad

[icy knot]

Circle is being removed

Mrpig wants to kill the game with more queues

[cobalt tinsel]

i need a squire to riches solo/duo or just bring back gs modes

[icy knot]

Bruh. People forgot about solo squire queue.

Don't split playerbase more!....

[next pond]

Copy

[spark marsh]

Improve the complaint system.

1. Allow complaints about fraud in the trading post. I often encountered people who offered to buy an artifact at a reduced price. The first time, they would put the artifact up for sale and cancel the transaction at the moment of transfer. Then they would send the exchange again, but instead of the artifact, they would put a low-value item. People will continue to do this until they are punished, or until the trading post rules warn about possible fraud by other players.

2. Post-match reporting system. For example, today I was killed twice by the same ally. Instead of being able to file a complaint against him, he and his ally are simply not shown in past matches twice in a row. This bug is very annoying, and it seems that some people know how to use it.

[spark marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/691066/improve-the-complaint-system

[spark marsh]

• 1. Allow the slayer to parry/block enemy attacks when playing with swords.
     Add dual blades as 1 item. Add a starting magic resistance of 30 to it.

2. Combine the "Slayer" and "Dual Wield" perks into one perk so that defensive perks can be used in character building. (Without which the slayer cannot survive in this game).
3. Provide heavy leather/cloth armor for crafting at merchants. Brigandine, Jazérant, Gambeson. + More clothing for different materials for the slayer. (Most clothing is unavailable to them, the choice is small).
4. Craft a short sword and arming sword, + dual blades, if they are added.
5. Allow the fighter class to choose which throwing weapons they can use, knives or axes. The choice prohibits carrying the other option.
6. Give the slayer an artifact for the left hand. Either paired blades or a short sword.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/691071/no-block-on-the-slayer

[next pond]

we need player to be able to ping their quest so we can help guide them alot easier 🙂 thanks

[timber grail]

yo question wat happend with the bardiche it is crazy even if bloccked the can go ojn with the combo

srry for my bads english

[icy knot]

you encountered desync

[final yarrow]

That’s bad I mean fraud perfectly fits the games character its a dark fantasy game of course there are people who want to scam you

[icy knot]

fraud perfectly fits the games character
defending scammers and cheaters is crazy

[cobalt plinth]

Some folks started playing MMOs with EVE back in the early 2000s and just can't help themselves from playing every game since as if it's EVE

[icy knot]

so what about 50% goblin recovery for ssf items
but crafted items 100% goblin recovery

handled items still 0%

[full patrol]

There should be zero goblin recovery.

[icy knot]

sometimes you suggest hardcore stuff
sometimes you admire aspects that make this game for babies

your vision of the game contradicts itself constantly
🤦‍♂️

[full patrol]

Not really. I like the PvE side, but the only difference should be that one has PvP and one does not. The loot should be the same, you should be able to loot corpses, and zero goblin recovery. Loot is laying around everywhere, goblin recovery is ridiculous.

[icy knot]

SDF we need to remove goblin recovery from adventure mode now!

[full patrol]

Easier to remove Adventure mode and remake it to PvE mode. Same as regular only without the pvp. I would do it for science if nothing else. I mean, I'm super curious about which lobbies would be used most often.

[icy knot]

yea everyone knows which one

[full patrol]

Also, crafting needs a major facelift. Does anyone farm copper anymore?

[icy knot]

sdf needs to make different game
where all players are just farming in the dungeon, thats it

[full patrol]

Well, people want some cool things...fishing for example. No one is gonna stop their short dungeon crawl to fish. The game design needs reworked. The game is visually and audibly a killer, but it needs that hook that keeps people playing.

[icy knot]

fishing

[full patrol]

It was an example. lol

[ripe belfry]

REDUCE MOBS AGRO RANGE and INCREASE DEAGRO TIME IN HR FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MOBS ARE MORE OF A PROBLEM THEN ACTUAL PEOPLE BEHIND A MONITOR

[icy knot]

this is true wisdom I understood after all of these years

Everyone wants something, but few understand what this game truly needs.

[ripe belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-in-flames-umineko-writing-in-flames-flames-gif-20892510

[icy knot]

struggling with mobs
hating rangers

we all hated those things at some point

[ripe belfry]

check dm

[icy knot]

that multishot was fire

if you love ranger as much as I do check this out
#dnd-content message

[ripe belfry]

XD

[spark marsh]

Fish, they want to catch you. Heh heh heh.

[icy knot]

😭

[icy knot]

Adding new perks throughout the season will bring more players mid season
W IRON MACE

[icy knot]

How about you limit red extracts but only in High Roller, because only there its the problem

Or how about you just remove red extract from ruins bridge module
Just remove red extracts from most PVP populated modules?

[icy knot]

Will warlock +3all be reworked?

[icy knot]

Disarm:
Makes player unable to perform an attack
But blocking still is available

[abstract bone]

Make sure to nerf fighter when you nerf everyone and give em a bigger MS penatly or like remove swift from the game.

[next pond]

Spell cast speed skin? would help healers keep their team alive longer. Dps caster Numbers can be change if to strong to balance the cast speed

[tired acorn]

there is a knowledge skin, you get it by donating 100k gold to your religion

it is only 1 knowledge tho i dont think it will help much

[next pond]

Yeah 1 knowledge is 2% spellcast speed not worth much at all we need like 7 or 15%

[bitter thicket]

mage skeleton exist and give you knowdege

[upper karma]

Don't add disarm

[next pond]

1 knowledge not enough

[tropic grotto]

15% spellcasting on a skin😭😭😭😭

[spark marsh]

Please tell me, have the changes to the combat system affected the fighter Slayer? I couldn't find a way to translate the interview with the developers. And there is no localization. I tried to translate Yami's video, but I couldn't do it for free. I'm sorry, I'm very nervous.

I play with an arming sword and a short sword.

[tired acorn]

very bad plate fighter even more better now ggez

[icy knot]

since demon is losing Hp per second due to Abyssal Flame
it would be cool if exploitation strike gave him hp per second to nullify Abyssal Flame negative effect for few seconds
just saying

[limber elbow]

I don't hate the new map, but I hope it will be a red gateway that leads further in the game, rather than a separate map that creates too many maps for players while there aren't enough players.

[abstract ridge]

Twisted cinder torch should not be added to the shop or everyone with one would be a fraud manta ray stomper and that'll make me look like one too @keen onyx

And it's a cosmetic so it shouldn't matter unlike the frost walker skin that had stats, so a torch could be a better way to flex achievement.

[loud dawn]

I think it’s second level for gobbo caves

[limber elbow]

hope that true

[frosty creek]

season 8 and still no PVE mode.... WOW what are the devs doing ?
at least put pve toggle in the game ? most ppl quit becaus its annoying to lose all ur loot when u die and sometimes u have good items in bag and someone attack with out consent and its lame af

[loud dawn]

They’ve had adventure mode (pve) for awhile now.

[icy knot]

💤

[spark marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/687916/new-artifact-weapon-type-twin-blades

[next pond]

@frosty creek I believe you can side with me on this but it's like going through a class of everything you need to learn for a job. But realize that nothing is done like that when you actually start the job. Or getting to accustom to a game mode. The game is meant to be difficult and mixing pve with live economy is a freebie with 0 gold sink. This game wants no one to be super rich else you will stop playing

[full patrol]

They don't use the Test for it's intended purpose. Maybe they should just change the Test to PvE. Then we can have full games, full loot on both.

[next pond]

Yeah but that would be so confusing. To play pve its in the test servers people wouldn't feel attached to playing with the community on the live game honestly they need to keep over away for the live market majority of players I played with are random casuals and this game is hard not even Ring hard but similar

[meager jasper]

Just popping my head back in here after skipping the last update. It doesn't actually look like much of value is or was added. Briefly looked at the water map and tbh my immediate thought was how awful it felt to swim.

Everyone still hate IM? Their seasonal cycle doesn't seem to have meaningfully dropped in player numbers since the last time, but I suppose tomorrow will tell if the peaks reach the water map one.

Conceptually I think an extension to GC makes more sense than a fourth map pool for the water map.

And obviously we don't have the patch notes yet, but I can't help but notice no monk.

I think the best patches in memory were genuinely the ones that added sorc and druid. Those actually felt like they were meaningful additions you could play in a new way with, though obviously to various degrees they needed tuning. (Though when last I was here druid was swinging between being utterly beaten to death by IM or being OP because of some oversight they refused to fix in a straightforward way)

[next pond]

Can we bring back harmonic shield to bard team buffs? Mage damage is to strong

[icy knot]

give us PAUL line emoji: like this one:

[icy umbra]

DELETE DRUID ITS RUINING THE GAME

[full patrol]

No it's not...there are many other factors that are however. Druid is just...a minor blip.

[meager jasper]

Ah, things haven't changed then.

I take it druids can still fly because IM thinks intertia doesn't change when your mass does?

[ripe belfry]

no thats being removed on wipe

[meager jasper]

Really?

Well I suppose fixing it several seasons after it became a problem is better than nothing.

[whole vigil]

I would trade all the shield perks and skills for fighter just to get ironwill and have recurve be native weapon

[next pond]

Feels bad trying to learn bossing season 8

[brisk junco]

good luck beating my shapeshifter cleric

[whole vigil]

cleric easy to beat, just kite smite and dp

[boreal sandal]

hi when will the next season ?? today ?

[whole vigil]

who knows. I was asking same question earlier, when they say 29th they mean 30

so its probably tomorrow, unless they have a another delay then its on 31

[weak girder]

idea 1: they put a timer down, release content when timer is done.

idea 2: when they miss the timer they communicate instead of unprofessionally being silent like they slept through their alarm.

[next pond]

Everyone sees the same timer so it not the 30th they are just missing their deadlines and need extra time. That's all

I would highly suggest bringing back pve. The game is going to need time to increase population. Solo's and duo's have tons of teamers and the game balancing also isn't meant for those fights. Too much balancing. The team needs to be strong 💪🏻 healthy and brainstorm new ideas 💡 not mindless repetitive plans with same end result add remove add remove. Majority have never bossed and would love to encounter way of incentivising bossing. Maybe bring back spawning bosses with a small chance to increase artifacts drops. Or can add a 2nd transformation to increase difficulty of the bosses with the craftable to start

[ashen glen]

when does the new season come out?

[next pond]

When they finish updating

[ashen glen]

when do servers go down

[next pond]

When they update the game

[ashen glen]

good observation bro, i was jjsut asking maybe something was said somewhere about a time and date.

[next pond]

Have you tried the announcement section

[icy knot]

Dwarf will be best race in the entire game

The Dwarf will change how you play, not just provide simple stat changes like the other races.

[broken rapids]

Merge Lockpick+Pickpocket for Rogues.

[past sky]

We should get red shards in the seasonal packs at least 3 to 5

[meager jasper]

Wow... A lot of those changes are the ones I was begging for, for years.

No true damage, a focus on making it feel like points of interest are more of a thing. Parrying gameplay is out of left field though. Very very interesting.

Implementation still matters of course, but I'll definitely give this a try.

They even added quivers, guys.

The only thing that stands out to me now is that I still think magic, and particularly wizards, need their overhaul, but that can wait until another season. Obviously all of these changes will need to be sat on and watched.

W patch on the surface to my eyes tho.

Another obvious thing that I immediately think of is: This patch might destroy bear druid's core viability. Parrying was a main counter to bear, for fighter, and I suspect that everyone parrying might just make bear's big swings useless without a rework. And I'm guessing bears and panthers can't parry. On top of that, while I'm happy +all is gone, it should be noted that +all disproportionately made druids specifically stronger. Now that it's dropped I'd expect a significant reduction in what they can do. Including making druids that actually hybrid agi-str to get both forms basically impossible.

I know most people have very mixed feelings on druid, though mostly due to panther. Even as someone who mained it, I'd always play a mage and just panic the moment I knew a druid was with me, because I knew I basically didn't have a chance. But honestly I don't want to see it just dumpstered, and hope they keep an eye on its balance.

[subtle plinth]

ADD PATRONS TO WARLOCKS AND GIVE THE RELEGION SYSTEM A USE FOR CLERICS (or monks)

[stoic cloak]

Just patched LETS GET IT BOYS

[stark ibex]

Can we have solo s2r :)

[icy knot]

impossible

I will hold the line.
I will not allow any dumb queue additions

[stark ibex]

it would be chill

[icy knot]

[elder spoke]

Is there a way i can suggest for this discord to add a PvE channel, players are mean to me when i tell them im just PvE 'ing

[whole vigil]

lmao

[ripe belfry]

GG

[empty hare]

connecting... anyone?

[whole vigil]

everyone bro temu servers on fire

[empty hare]

ah sht...

[dire fractal]

why are the races now 12 when they used to be 5 ?

[fossil fossil]

Back to leaving reviews on steam?

Lets get to it guys.
Every thumbs up is one less gold star for sdf.
LET THEM KNOW HOW BADLY THEY'VE DISAPPOINTED YOU

REVIEW BOMB TIME

My suggestion is that they should stop buffing classes that dont need it..

[meager jasper]

My guy are you... okay? You can't have possibly played more than a match before the servers went down. Maybe take a look at the content and the game's feel before crying about it?

[stiff stone]

fianlly the game is up

[icy knot]

good ban decisions sdf

[spark marsh]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/691071/no-block-on-the-slayer

[full patrol]

@sdf How about you stop (STOP, CEASE, DISCONTINUE) penalizing the players who want to PvE with a bastardized loot table??? How about you stop doing that. Remove goblin recovery, let their fallen bodies be looted by other players, just have it PvE.

[pine basin]

Bard is gonna be kinda weak into a lot of fights now with all the new weapon block and parries and new skills, kinda hoping they either give some more love to the songs utility wise or even a new item for them to make combat or song playing easier like shield that acts as an instrument or something otherwise I feel like they are kinda under powered unless your cracked or over geared compared to your opponent

[spark marsh]

Why, when I hold down the right click and left click for a combo (short sword + arming sword), the combo that used to happen no longer happens? You haven't done anything for the slayer, and you've taken away one of the most convenient and fastest combos.

[granite plinth]

I would also like solo S2R thanks

[limber elbow]

@dawn grotto why TF game keep shuttering

[lucid vortex]

I think overall I like every change so far, but I think that pommel strike on fighter should work with Longsword, just due to historical use of the weapon. However, I do understand if that would have an impact on balance.

[icy knot]

should disarm be nerfed?

• should disarmed player still be able to block?
• should disarm be shorter?
• should disarm be harder to pull off?

[lucid vortex]

I like disarm as it is, it doesn't interrupt currently ongoing skills.

[meager jasper]

So far my only complaint is that I don't think they should've locked the maps behind AP level. It's just annoying. We also artificially have HR gated even more annoyingly than it was. Getting to 20 to access it was already slightly annoying, and now you can't do it without getting pretty deep into the AP levels, certainly far more AP than it would take to get to level 20.

Variance is what makes games fun. Don't make me farm the same map forever when I want to play ice or GC, especially since you released additions to maps.

Shapeshift mastery no longer makes any sense too. If it must be nerfed, so that all druids have a cast time for their transformations, then it should no longer lock you out from spirit magic. It's just not worth running anymore.

[lilac lake]

I wish

[whole vigil]

counter back up and requip i easily killed a fighter on bard after he disarmed me

[whole vigil]

lower the knowledge cost of life drain ffs

[modern cliff]

wizard is dead.

[meager jasper]

Wizard needs the overhaul it was promised before the game was out imo. Especially now that their scaling is all off and wonky, and they're totally outclassed by sorcs. I also think barb's MR perk needs a nerf now that none of the mages have access to true damage, which before was a huge part of how their damage works.

[zenith raven]

Remove the slow debuff from the 2nd jump from DOUBLE JUMP, you are technically airborne and don't touch the ground

[opaque sinew]

Technically you should not be able to jump twice cuz you'll be airborne while being free from a floor

[icy knot]

-10ms for Dwarf Race kinda insane

[next pond]

Agreed meant to be a meme and with 0 reason to go back and fix if it causes a huge disturbance

[icy knot]

if it would be -1ms with +1str or smt
it wouldn't be so bad and people would start buying this skin

[next pond]

I need a Spell cast skin for my healers

[icy knot]

crystal sword is missing magic damage part on its riposte
#warlock message

[icy knot]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/691840/add-crystal-ball-parry

[neon sentinel]

-10 ms is a decent chunk but i think its important to consider that dwarf has a significantly smaller hitbox than other races. They are harder to hit by default, especially when crouching and ducking.

I cant say if -10 is too much but i definitely think -1 is too little

[glacial sphinx]

-6 and no bonuses for dwarf would be okay

[icy knot]

wanna see some NOT game braking bugs?
#warlock message
#warlock message
Almost feels like a combo 🔥 but its a bug 😭

Ok the 2nd one might be old mechanic

[rose edge]

currently enjoying the game no doubt, but fighter is a problem lmao

[icy knot]

yea
unfortunately, too many maintenance patches one after another piss players off too.

[rose edge]

very very true. they probably need more data on how severe the imbalance is aswell

[icy knot]

💯

[frosty juniper]

big issue is wizard is just bad now u basically cant kite, if u find a fighter or barb its gonna be a melee fight whether u want it or not. they just W at you and u cant cast and run.

casters was fighters weakpoint, not anymore, basically free kill except if its like a staff bonk wiz

but then they just disarm anyway xD

[cobalt plinth]

Skrill Tissue

[icy knot]

It would be cool if devs created some mobs or ceiling that do not react at all unless attacked.

Such mob would be good to kill for questing. player would have to use 🧠 to complete it
as Kill demon fly is still best quest in the game

[tough fractal]

Give the dwarf 50% mining speed

[icy knot]

💯 🔥

[whole vigil]

caster rings are easier to craft "grave essense" than the other rings, they should change the recipes, honestly I would rather they make it so the green rings only need arcane dust, and above it should be instead of copper it should be golden teeth and old bloody bandage instead of skull, 1 slotters that are common to find @keen onyx

[next pond]

Facts

[next pond]

So I just realized why we need a reset because of the oversight. So the people that were banned can't play on that "1" account but can continue to grind on a separate? So the gold is kept or wipe. Because if so what stops them from repeating then waiting to transfer.

[rose edge]

I wonder if they can do something about Bards QOL when it comes to having full pockets with instruments. The quiver is sick for ranger but only having one stack of pots and having to cycle bandages and hold a surgical in the inventory is tough

[subtle plinth]

add many udead and demonic summons for warlock when its our turn

[next pond]

Yes agreed I'm sure in due time not sure what's on their mind. Back up projects or brainstorming new ideas I'm just glad they are out of the legal situation we can finally move up this year

[icy knot]

entire warlock community still asks for higher % hp activation for immortal lament

[next pond]

New Idea 💡
• Cleric Cleanse Removes all Debuff can't Apply a new Debuff for 3 seconds.

Helps combat warlocks curse of pain from high will or rupture from rouges etc. 5 cast 2 for the healer 3 for the team.

[icy knot]

kinda insane
as insane as perseverence

[smoky mason]

Allow us to turn in items of a higher rarity than what the quest vendor is asking of us, please and thank you

[subtle plinth]

New warlock skill: Undead Legion. Spawns a "Skeleton banner bearer" that has the same HP as a skeleton archer and hold a banner. while the skeleton banner bearer is alive, one random skeleton will spawn every 10 seconds in a 3m range that ignores the warlock who summoned the banner bearer and his allies, and will attempt to find and engage any player enemies. the skeletons spawned by this skill will ignore other mobs, and will be ignored by other mobs. The skeleton banner bearer stays active for 120 seconds or until killed, and the skill cooldown is 30 seconds.

[icy knot]

[subtle plinth]

more like this

[limber elbow]

@dawn grotto The game should add an equipment resolution mode. Many quests are unobtainable due to high requirements or almost never drop essential items like cockatrice eggs. This would also help solve the problem of having too much equipment at the beginning of a new season and too few chests. Perhaps selling stashes like Path of Exile, which specifically store quest items and gems, would save on stash costs and provide the development team with long-term funding.

[little chasm]

Fighter will always be strong. He is basically the baseline for everything

[quasi belfry]

Bro we need a guild

[sturdy shadow]

Remove or significantly reduce the slow upon landing when jumping , add back health and put rings back in dungeon at lower rates if u want to promote ring crafting.

[whole vigil]

NERF BARB, especially the fking headsplitter bs, infinite rupture that shit should be on named weapons not a perk, its not even a skill with cooldown lmao, these devs are braindead

also nerf berserk, whirlwind and heavy swing too

put a 1 minute cooldown on headsplitter and reduce damage to 10 and duration to 3

[idle kindle]

If your going to have some balls and BAN CHEATERS then you should ACTUALLY BAN THEM and not just make them pay you to play (buy a alt account) this shit is why I quit, and why I tell everyone to avoid this game.

No brains devs now have no balls either

[icy knot]

If you want to promote ring crafting put rings back in the dungeon
🧠

[icy knot]

Show me the clip

[fossil fossil]

Real, why not make us combine same rarity rings and the arcane dust.

[red kite]

Support for FSR 4 would be amazing. TAA is really blurry and every other option makes the game extremely crunchy

[onyx raptor]

PLEASE let us 💵BUY💵 gender-swaps. I'm not going to delete my 800 fame character

[normal lava]

Last wizard update was 2k25, last spell given was 2k24 😂 Gib!

[full patrol]

Imagine the outrage you could whip up if they DIDN'T ban them!!! 🙂

[cinder orchid]

Can we get new bard utility songs? +50% oxygen multi target for 2 memory, immunity to fire DoT for 3 memory multi target and a 100% buff to chorale of clarity (it's a quarter as good as a campfire, while the HP one is good) ?

Also you guys might want to decrease the time to place a higher quality campfire and increase the healing it provides, 3 extra seconds for a LEGENDARY is just bad

[spark marsh]

They broke the fight with two weapons in their hands. General combos don't work. It's immediately obvious that the developer didn't remember the slayer in this patch.

[cobalt plinth]

Walkable guildhalls and meeting halls/taverns

[icy knot]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/
post your suggestions in here.
I strongly suggest you do it after ranger and rogue changes

[sour forum]

dwarf too slow and needs +immune to drunken effects

[sour musk]

where to get stone mortar for quest?

[subtle plinth]

give warlocks patrons and give the religion system a benefit for clerics

[icy knot]

streamers do enjoy lightless tomb module climat
@keen onyx

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/663233/make-dungeon-completely-dark-by-the-end-of-the-match-dark-and-darker

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/587541/turn-off-the-torches-in-dark-and-darker

[subtle plinth]

make fighters disarm skill only apply on a riposte, and make the effect reverse if blocked

[rose edge]

Where do i find black roses?

[sturdy shadow]

well I meant intead of abondoning the system all together because it just feels super weird rn when I can find a whole purple and lego kit will good rolls and I have like 1 green ring with add phys

[serene basin]

Can we please remove the steps to the wyvern https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17202132207153677540/491EF06311B38D301743D268E80FEFC4753207F0/

[icy knot]

I don't know how else you can get there by ok

[gloomy inlet]

Idea for new warlock spell: Blood sacrifice (can only be used on team mates) cast a coating of blood onto your teammates for 25 seconds (24 hp on TM 12 hp on normal) when the target reaches 50% HP or if the timer runs out it will heal your team mate for the same damage as your current COP with all of its scaling included (ignores all forms of magical damage reduction in its calculations it would be the same amount as hitting a training dummy on ruins basically) THIS DOES NOT BLOCK ANY FORM OF DAMAGE ITS NOT A SHEILD VARIANIT / my reasoning for this spell is that I've always wanted a way to "share" the warlock healing with my team mates in a way that doesn't over shadow cleric or druid healing while still feeling impactful and still pertains to the warlock playstyle of using your HP for damage or buffs

[next pond]

I think warlock being a support / Frontline giving him the ability to heal the teammates is just a bit to much no?

[gloomy inlet]

thats wise i made the spell have hoops the jump through to be able to get the heal likenot making it immediate unless 50% hp or less and also the warlock doesnt recivce any healing from using this spell so putting your whole team in it will be alot of HP on TM and a good chunk gone on normal

[rare tundra]

sterling zweihander / divine zweihander plz

[mystic hatch]

For the love of God can we pls get some UI on the stash page that shows how many gems of what rarity we have? Hovering over every stack of gems to see how many ive got is tedious

[stone harbor]

Let rogues use cutlass, i wanna be a pirate yar?

[rancid halo]

Give us true magic checkpoints. Like one true for every 15 will you have.

[hollow cosmos]

Can we make the new cape not glow in the dark?

[icy knot]

place red stairs in Ruin's Bath House but! inside hidden canals part

[icy knot]

@keen onyx
#warlock message
Infinite parry on flanged mace
btw those parries don't deal damage for some reason

[pseudo venture]

rework religion buffs , its rly not sane that one religion got magic pen and we are stuck with same religion on every char

[modern cipher]

Hey, have you guys thought about adding a new map in the future based in ancient history civilizations (like a tomb with a mix of Egyptian/Persian/Mesopotamian/Greek/Roman/etc aesthetic)? I was thinking about that some days ago, something like an Egyptian tomb with "prince of Persia" aesthetic, with monsters and mummies and lots of traps (like the trilogy of The Mummy or the classic Indiana Jones stone ball), maybe a couple new weapons/armor pieces based in ancient history (like a kopesh). It could be like a very ancient lost city buried in the dessert or something, with a sandstorm as the event that makes you die at the end of the clock.
Idk I'm just giving ideas, imo it could have great potential.

[icy knot]

everything is possible. you should suggest new playstyle for your fauvorite class

[lost yew]

Consider not locking all the squire gear behind tedious quests next wipe pls. It's a horrible feature. Making the game grindy isn't the way to bring newbies back or keeps more experienced players around. It just makes the game a slog to get through before you get to the actual fun

[quasi belfry]

remove preset characters, each level gives +2 atrribute points up until what max was for preset chars. max lvl30 or something allow for all races to be optional and you can customize each one to a certain degree (face, hair, fat, skinny, etc)
thoughts?

[meager jasper]

...no

[icy knot]

i guess all weapons and gear types should be usable from the start for people to not hate squire gear

[meager jasper]

I think that would be totally reasonable. Quests shouldn't unlock types of gear, only rarities up to white for it.

Is there really a reason why as a druid I cannot start with a brown-quality spear? Does that break the game over a flanged mace? Of course not. Brown plate doesn't break a squire fighter either.

[full patrol]

Even the maps are locked behind the grind. Not a good game mechanic to keep people around or attract new players.

[lost yew]

Exactly my point, most players don't enjoy a needless grind. And those who do have better game options. This game is balanced perfectly fine without all the grind.

It wouldn't be as much of an issue if quests were fun or engaging but they aren't. "Go here" "collect these" "kill this", not exactly the peak of fun.especially when the items are stupidly rare, or in the case for newbies especially, you don't know where a module is by heart so you have to look it up.

[rare tundra]

remove disarm

[fossil fossil]

Based take

[fossil fossil]

Or at least tweak. Having to spam my 1 key until my cooldown completes is aids

[rare tundra]

should just not exist

[icy knot]

#dnd-memes-only message

[solid hill]

wtf are yall doing with this barb headshot perk? it is the stupidest idea the game has ever had. I kill ever barb and still die to 20 bleed every time like holy braindead

[queen niche]

gut barbarian

[copper pendant]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/671521/guild-hall-boss-training-room

[abstract bone]

isn't it engaging and fun gameplay to play fighter and barber?

[rare sparrow]

let us trade in higher rarity arcane essence for lower rarity ones

[limber elbow]

The game aimed to minimize looting, so it reduced the number of chests and distributed gold and iron chests in random, non-fixed locations, but the gold mining ( gold pile ) areas remained fixed and not limited or randomly distributed. Within a single day, the game was flooded with legendary equipment . Instead of having to kill the boss to access the gold mine containing the gold coin chest, now the entire map focuses on those gold mines because they are fixed and easy to obtain even with Skeleton Champion or Mini-Boss Abomination. Therefore, those gold mines should be removed and replaced with any iron or gold chests

[rough fjord]

id like to suggest to stop touching stats to nerf a specific class and catch a allready weak one in the crossfire

[icy knot]

?

[abstract bone]

nah man you will play fighter or barb and you will like it!

you WILL W+M1 engage everyfight and m1 trade till one of you dies.

[rough fjord]

if playing fighter isnt winning i aint fighter or smth

[abstract bone]

idk im just jokin on the fact they they severly buffed melee across the boards
then said fk dem casters.

then they're pullin the same shit last wipe of "theres more class changes we promise" (fun fact: there isn't anymore class changes like the ones from start of wipe)

[naive orchid]

Anyone know where to find awl's and bellow's?

[broken rapids]

Maaaaaaaaybe what about to change "Dissarm" for Longsword remake? on Parry = 1 Swing+Dissarm.
so its some skillbased thing instead of stupid Q/E button randomly hit into any part of body?)

[abstract ridge]

bro just block it or run like everyone else does. There's a reason they made the active time such a short window.

[abstract ridge]

spearmen and wraiths

[brisk junco]

kinda obvious they stole alot of the game from nexon when it takes them 3 years to make a coinbag for arrows

[abstract ridge]

nexon would've made a worse game thats why they didnt finish theirs

[next pond]

Playing wipe 1 day a week. Healers are Amazing. Would love better aim comb to not miss? Can possibly introduce longer fights. Incentives more healers on squads. Same goes for weapons after image or the weapon itself highlighting on where it came into contact would help players practice more on fixing mistakes. Features and tools to help us practice. The community needs more feature & tools

[steep frigate]

the game should get added to consoles would help the player base alot

[prisma magnet]

Suggestion: Remove Throw Option from Lanterns and Allow Blocking

Now that every weapon has the ability to block and/or parry, we should have a way to hold a lantern AND block/parry.

This may seem like a small issue on most classes, however for some, like Bard, you cannot carry torches without sacrificing a heal slot or an entire instrument. This used to be solved by carrying a lantern or a lantern shield. Using a lantern shield takes a big penalty on move-speed and now that the rapier can block, I would prefer using a lantern for light, especially since they can have stat rolls.

TLDR: Remove the throwing ability from off-hand lanterns and allow block/parry while holding a lantern.

[naive orchid]

Ty

[icy knot]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/691960/add-3rd-specail-action-to-weapons
.

@DEVS hear me out

what if mystical gem was entirely replaced by Cave Trolls Precious Rock

or just remove the rock and and make Troll like mystical gem ♻️

or make use of Cave Trolls Precious Rock somewhere in the game

[barren grove]

give barbarian a shotgun and fighter hand grenades. and the shotgun should be able to fire 10 axes and one tap every single rogue and ranger in the round except vincent for no reason at all

[prisma magnet]

Not a terrible idea but id prefer not adding a 3rd action and just be able to block while holding a lantern

[icy knot]

people would be mad

[zenith raven]

Give Rogues a new Skill "Barrel" disguise themself as a barrel unable to move

[halcyon pulsar]

It could be better than just being a rock lying around and playing every match like that; since agility was nerfed, give it a new ability or rework the roll

It might also be good to change how poisons work and have different types of poison, making that their main mechanic

But as it is now, the Rogue is terrible; you have to be selective with your opponents because you’ll most likely get killed in two or three hits if they’re Fighters or Barbarians, while your headshots only take off half their health, or they’ll outrange you even when you’re trying to poke them

[lost yew]

Make gemming phys healing give 2 phys healing bonus instead of one. (Not a jolly time bard btw)

[rare tundra]

sterling/divine zweihander please

[modern cipher]

please xdd

Add throw option for spear (high damage but you lose the weapon)

[subtle plinth]

give zweihander a 2nd riposte like it says it has plz

[barren grove]

buff daggers back to 20 damage or more
16 damage vs 50% pdr fighters in squire is insane.. or atleast buff rogue poison back to 100% ratio instead of 50%

[halcyon violet]

Or like in Dead by Daylight, Rogues being able to hide in existing barrels and crates

[barren grove]

its time you add ammo types for everything
cobalt ammo for added armor pen
copper removes armor pen on your gun / bow but adds damage
frost slows by 5%
rubysilver burns 1 per tick for 5 seconds
obsidian adds bleeding stacks

buff rogue poison.
add gun mastery to ranger
give gun to bard

[ripe belfry]

STOP ZOMBIE GAS CLOUDS FROM GOING THROUGH DOORS

[halcyon violet]

100% should be a disarm on hit location, ie: left or right arm/hand as they do have thier own hit boxes and should disarm what is held in THAT hand.

Not getting tapped in the left leg and now I drop everything... Immersive

[broken rapids]

well same for achiles, it should be into leg etc etc..
Every ability that does some heavy CC like Slow and so should be like this.

[broken rapids]

Stat cap classes

• Diversity
• +PDR -Action speed curve
  And things like this.

[loud dawn]

Notes on Sling.
Should auto reload, and projectile speed should be increased, it should also be more mobile than it is.
While it was in use was often used militarily for skirmish tactics, as you can swing the sling while on the move, only needing to pause to plant your feet to throw.

Needs a bit more damage as well. This dev team is dedicated to getting everything wrong every time though.

[icy knot]

give sling to me(lock) and we good

[jovial dove]

Also crystal sword let me block without giving up a spell slot

[broken rapids]

Make VOIP voice channel permanently open(Hear/Listen).

[abstract bone]

👎

[blissful crane]

PLEASE! Reduce the cost of the gold coin POUCH to 250, it should be 1:1 just like the PURSE!!

[broken rapids]

🖕

[icy knot]

[steady wyvern]

With the new riposte attacks for all weapons, i hope rogue gets some sort of parry/riposte related perk. What do y'all think?

[icy knot]

Rogue is not a fighter

[torn goblet]

the purse is 1:10

[honest lance]

Spide and spider

[dull atlas]

Please give the druid more magic damage spells so that he's useful as an AP druid(green mage?). If you don't want him to be overpowered by combos with animals, give him some disadvantages, but make sure there's an AP druid and not just an AD or support druid.

APc Druid

[ripe belfry]

PLEASE ADD IN BOSS HP BARS

[versed hinge]

Pls remove crystal sword casting, if i can go 10 spell melee sorc with crystal sword I'd play nothing else

[halcyon pulsar]

But that doesn’t mean you can give it a chance to go head-to-head with other classes

I mean, isn't it a bit of an exaggeration that the game's latest melee class has less physical power than the mages?

[icy knot]

I hate rangers so much
its so stupid I have to deal with rangers without any good range capabilities
give my warlock a gun so I can shoot at people
🧠

[brisk junco]

Fuck it give cleric longbow

[broken rapids]

Merge pickpocket+lockpick for Rogue (Since there is nothing else new).

[merry kestrel]

Give Dwarf +mining speed, +pickaxe damage, and +hand cannon AS%

[icy knot]

suggest new perks and skills

[merry kestrel]

New perk that lets rogues turn off torches from a distance

New perk that teleports the rogue behind someone when they successly hit with a riposte

Perk that turns the rogue invisible if they get below 50% HP (internal cooldown of some number of seconds)

There, 3 perk ideas

[whole vigil]

rework disarm so that instead of what it does, it just decreases action speed and cast speed by 30% when hit for 3 seconds and whirlwind to be only 2 attacks with 80% damage from the weapon and a cooldown to skull splitter, also replace last bastion its a useless dead perk cause your 1 shot when its active change it to magic resist perk with no conditions ill take even 10% magic reduction even 10% less than even warlock anti magic, and warlock have already more will and better MR gear. @keen onyx

[next pond]

Not to be rude but reduce Spell cast speed and Action speed is a trash idea. We already have things that reduces action speed. As for cast speed that's basically disarm for casters. The gear your referring to is probably found gear because if you take a look at crafter gear almost all classes can wear higher will.

[merry kestrel]

Just make Disarm a perk that sheaths the target's weapons on a successful riposte hit and give it an internal CD

[merry kestrel]

That or a skill shot that plays a specific animation

[copper pendant]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/671521/guild-hall-boss-training-room

[whole vigil]

which ones on fighter, if you talking about glaciate that is only usable on sorc, talking as replacement for the broken disarm without making it completely useless, cause most of the suggestions they just either wanna remove it or make it so bad that it would be unusable, its a skill with cooldown 30% debuff on action speed and cast speed seems reasonable than removing the weapon completely.

also u can always kite out the skill, its not always active like how reckless, Achilles, rupture, etc are

also mr gear is always trash and now its worse with the gear changes, they either need to add extra attribute to MR gear or give them more mr with reduced pdr

[next pond]

To answer your MR question all melee classes especially running in plate gear should take more damage from casters. Unfortunately. The devs gave you guys Dark cruises. Fighter is already broken in its pdr state we definitely don't need caster not able to damage this buffoon. I'm currently not home and don't main fighter but if you read the perks or skills there is one that reduces either M.s. and possibly A.S. Casters need their cast spell maybe you want warlock to get nerf which is a biased statement because as a developer you have to see everything as one. If one person gets something then it should affect all. Personally it's game sense to bait the disarm just like cleric judgment.

[icy knot]

I don't like how much item drop got buffed. I think it makes players less excited when they get good item. Dopamine that makes them chase better item is removed making them quit game earlier

Although I still didn't play this season at all 🤷‍♂️ so I might be wrong

[icy knot]

well that one is interesting altho does teleporting fit none magical class?

[next pond]

I like it just because during end season everyone should have 1 kit for arena by then. I only get 1 day a week to play the game. And losing one kit could mean spending tons of gold or good luck searching. PvP and bossing should be the flow of the game. Or testing builds faster in pve. I hope the devs are getting as much data as possible because now there's is no excuse to have. Everyone can challenge everyone

[icy knot]

there is a artifact cape with such mechanic

also @merry kestrel there is website for suggestions if you would like to suggest more
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[icy knot]

I think Disarm brings something fresh to the game and should stay
of course not in its current broken form

[next pond]

° Cleric idea 💡 - Cleanse should remove all buff from targeted cast. (Helps against any buff ball rush. Should introduce more longer ttk)

[whole vigil]

I play all classes, dark cuiress too slow and mr is garbage I would honestly rather get only mr piece of gear that is fast

[icy knot]

yes skull splitter doesn't have good design

[next pond]

Good if you build M.r & PDR bad if you only build M.R. hard to have both and horrible to have all eggs in one basket

[whole vigil]

thats why I am saying buff mr gear and nerf the pdr on it lmao

[next pond]

In any medieval game Melee > Range > Mage > Melee buffing a melee M.R all caster will die

[icy knot]

• "skull splitter" first thing what comes to my mind is barbarian hitting me with felling axe over and over again 🪓
  What if you play around this mechanic of continuously hitting an enemy like FELLING AXE. Allow all weapons to have such mechanic when Skull Splitter is equipped or idk.

• 20physical damage over 5 seconds Im not trying to be mean or anything but this is 💩 . no one likes damage over time.
  Instead what if you played around recoverable health. Imagine a perk that doesn't make your character deal more damage but instead reduces amount of recoverable health available which makes enemy have harder time to heal up. it would actually be really good perk for even ranger(without using antiheal debuff).

@keen onyx @hollow creek ❤️

perks like these without any damage number that change the way your character is played I think are the best

[whole vigil]

skull splitter needs a nerf, either turned to a skill or a big cooldown

[icy knot]

Friendly reminder devs you can make every damage over time deal less damage less often for longer duration

I guess my suggestions would change game too much. its like defying game basic rules.

[tired acorn]

yes make 1 curse of pain last 1minute so warlock cant go curse curse curse and me die

[tired acorn]

barby perk work with torch and throw axe is so op . fighter need this too disarm week

[whole vigil]

damage over time sucks, skull splitter needs a nerf asap, also disarm needs a rework

all of fighter new perks are trash, barb got way better perks

change last bastion completely to only giving 15% mdr flat with no stupid conditions just like anti magic

[icy knot]

deal less damage 👓
Less often

[whole vigil]

last bastion is soo stupid get 150 pdr and 50 mdr, 30% projectile resistance when your 1 shot lmao, why would I need that when I am 1 shot, plus it has long cooldown and lasts 8 seconds lmao

[icy knot]

no one is talking about lock

1damage every 3 seconds for 30 seconds 🧠

[icy knot]

immortal lament buff is even worse

[whole vigil]

immortal lament would always be better than last bastion, you could hydrain with zero hp

[tired acorn]

halcyon understand fighter week need buff to be like barby

[whole vigil]

i just want barb perks on fighter lmao

even warlock perks on fighter too

[abstract bone]

Fighter needs some serious nerfs

60% of all leaderboards fighters rn

[whole vigil]

I argued with you bro for like 3 seasons lmao #LowTierRageBaiter, i cant be bothered now XD

[abstract bone]

imagine playing the one class that got mad buffed when most of everyone else got nerfed and still losing?

[whole vigil]

I am still not using any of the new stuff btw with fighter, they all are garbage except for the broken disarm

and not using that too cause I still would rather have adrenaline with spell reflect for mr

[abstract bone]

ur class is the most picked and most op rn bro don't even try to agrue it anymore lol

more than 60% of all leaderboards consist of fighters remember when u cried about druid at the end of wipe? literally same shit but u ain't complaining cuz ur the problem lol (and druid was only leading in solos KEKW)

[whole vigil]

XD, ok dude

[abstract bone]

u prolly still think druid is OP lmfaoo

[whole vigil]

with how much hp and pdr and damage squire bear does yeah

[tired acorn]

fight need to be like barby

[whole vigil]

yeah, I know that, kite bear attack and barb whirlwind now lmao

[tired acorn]

disarm no work on bear need buff!!!

[whole vigil]

sometimes you just cant kite it especially in tight areas

[abstract bone]

hurr durr cant w+m1 everyone with second wind

[tired acorn]

fight need to win fight thats why called fight class

[whole vigil]

I don't even use second wind, that thing is garbage

[abstract bone]

bros just a timmy 😭 so cute.

[whole vigil]

btw, druid is the most m1 m2 class there is lmao, sometimes you q or e for rat when low but its still m1 m2

or do the q for bear crazy pdr ontop of the crazy base pdr

they dont have enough, might aswell make the q ability go over the 65% limit, make it 200% pdr just like their hp
so they match lmao

make duration 1 min instead of 8 seconds, so they go bear indefinitely and win every matchup

[abstract bone]

i mean yeah afterall now since timmies couldn't stop crying and learn to counter a class that required skill they get to make it skillless and genuinely actually easy now 🙂

[whole vigil]

you must be out of your mind LMAO

[abstract bone]

Theres no more tech to the class anymore. No matter how much they nerf druid its still gonna kill you bro

Like you're just not locked in prolly never will be lowkey.

[whole vigil]

I can kill druids fine its the crazy stats they get in animal form which is a bit much, but probably will be able to easily kill them now since its harder for them to insta escape every fight when losing

now its just barb whirlwind and skull splitter and fighter disarm which need big nerfs now

[abstract bone]

🙂

[versed root]

Maps feel too large right now. The game played best when encounters were frequent and tension was constant. Going back to 4x4, or even testing 3x3, would bring back that tight pacing and player interaction Dark and Darker originally nailed.
Class balance needs to allow success across all classes, not force FoTM picks like Fighter and Barbarian. The Warlock lifesteal changes were solid, but casters still lack the health, movement speed, and damage needed to compete. Gear rarity feels good, but stat rolls need tweaking. Armor rating on weapons feels unintuitive and out of place.
Too many queues are splitting the playerbase. PvE-only modes should be removed. Keep rotating maps instead so players are funneled together. Separate Normal and High Roller, each with their own map rotation, but no parallel queues beyond that.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/692882/3-very-important-changes

if you agree upvote tf out of this.

[ripe belfry]

@keen onyx please cap the prices of blue gear so they do not exceed 1k on market listing

And do the same with epics so they physically can not be listed for more than 2k a piece

Allow for keys to be taken out of the dungeon but make them non trade able

And Please make clarity potions recover spells when moving but make them non trade able and only can be acquired through alchemist after getting his quests done

[whole vigil]

also blue and purple poor and common pots

[ripe belfry]

Genuinely genius

[whole vigil]

I still dont get why they have not given squire poor purple pots, beer and explosive bottles

[ripe belfry]

Or pickaxes woodsman axe

[whole vigil]

pickaxe is easy to get from buying it
but would be cool on squire too I guess

[ripe belfry]

Should be free and have zero interaction speed or something

[sour musk]

PLEASE PUT DUMMIES TO HIT AND TEST damage on EXPRESSMAN 😄

[modern cipher]

I'm a fighter, please nerf "disarm"

[median peak]

please fire whoever designed bladehand 2nd phase in HR, no wonder the game is dead

[frozen karma]

nerf barbarian morale boost you shouldnt get a health boost for killing a teammate

[blissful crane]

Hello!
I just picked up my first legendary trinket!
It would be great, that in the future, we could either turn it into jewelry with stats, or melt it down to make gold for making other jewelry.
Yes...crafting nerds do rule the world!!

[whole vigil]

I agree, that skill needs a nerf as soon as possible, but I hope they dont forget to nerf whirlwind and skull splitter too

[upper karma]

for the love of god add a solo modifier that stops dots when the applier dies, we have been dying to pw for years for no reason, and now skull splitter

[pseudo venture]

revert the ms on jump , its literally impossible to catch up someone faster than u if francisca hit slow u more than the other guy its just speed meta but even worse

[teal creek]

this seems more like an issue with francisca punishing the user than it is with jump cancel

[pseudo venture]

well its not only francisca like lets say u wanna crossbow to slow down ur opponent u get so much slow from getting the weapon in hand and go back hand free u dont even gap close even if u hit , it was supposed to make kitting weaker but to me it just feel even stronger (and dumber)

[icy knot]

i think maps size is fine
people got used to battle royale killing timmies

[teal creek]

i see xbow as "last ditch attempt to damage" or "use while they're opening door"

if we don't punish xbow then ranger just kites with it right?

[whole vigil]

why is there no nerfs to whirlwind lmao

[whole vigil]

next fighter rework for veteran instinct: when you are 69% degrees next to a skeleton while wearing an owl pendant and equipping horsemanshit, and have rotten fluids in your stash, and the game clock strikes below 5 min gain an additional 0.005% phys power and -1% action speed for the duration of 0.067 seconds

keep making fighter perks unusable with stupid conditions, cooldowns, short duration while most of the other classes have plug and play perks 10% magic power, 10% phys power flat. 20% flat mdr @keen onyx I really hope you understand hypocrisy

I am glad they nerfed Disarm but now everyone can easily just kite it or poke through weapon blocks , instead of what they could of done is make it at least debuff the receiver by losing 20% action speed/cast speed.

nerfing dark cuiress, that piece of gear already has horrible useless roles (resourcefulness and will) now an epic will have 1 less str, so silly.

buff MR on MR gear and nerf its pdr, I want dark leather leggings to be 69 mdr and 10 pdr @keen onyx

even 1 pdr will be fine, actually zero pdr and just MDR dark leather legging

buff the mdr in the mdr gear and nerf its pdr @hollow creek

[frozen karma]

Nerf moral boost on barb no reason he should heal for team killing.

[halcyon violet]

Dwarf Suggestion:
Along with the -10MS, give Dwarf "Swift" Perk. In Dungeons and Dragons, Dwarves do move slower but are less effected by heavy armour.

[modern cipher]

do I really need to give 5 legendary weapons to the weaponshith to unlock the spear in the squire???

[brisk junco]

Nah that quest line doesn’t go anywhere they should drop the actual quests u need next week

[modern cipher]

ooh I see

[blissful crane]

I have a great idea.
Let's change the STERLING WEAPON crafting process a bit.
Let's change it so that you can take your current blade, invest silver powder, double the amount perhaps, but then allow the player to craft the Undead Damage Bonus 15% onto any blade up to Rare, so it could be used for Rare item PvP, but not on higher rarity items - they already have enough buffs.
What does chat think? 8-)

[pseudo venture]

Breakable weapons/armor and repair them with gold? We need more gold sink than just religion

[gray elbow]

@dawn grotto @keen onyx Add collision to barbarian whirlwind so it doesn't ignore all walls/doors/props/shields

[dense dove]

allow people to do a quest for squire weapons so you can use what you want and not make us wait 2 more weeks to use different weapons without waiting for the specific weapon to be in the shop

[subtle plinth]

give demon form a built in weapon other than claws, like demon berserker's scimitar or something. explo strike is nye useless with claws

[feral heart]

here is a suggestion, get fucken chinese pre-teamers off the OCE solo queues

[frozen karma]

Remove barbarian morale boost for team kills. Actually stupid

[ember shore]

Is there a reason necklaces and rings are the only pieces of gear you can’t see on a player model? Would be nice being able to see though so you know what your opponent has on when you go to fight them

[fresh heath]

@dawn grotto @keen onyx Let's make the game fun for those not playing barbarian or invis rogue. Balance issues will destroy this game

[glass aspen]

nerf whirlwind or this game dies again

[teal creek]

wall interrupt would be so funny

like my fucking ripostes getting caught on a tree limb or the door frame above me

[languid narwhal]

What are the odds of pulling a gold coin bag in adventure mode rn?

because i just got two of them in one run behind old rusty key, idk what the odds of that are but its gotta be 1 in 100,000

[lyric meadow]

BRING BACK OLD SHAPESHIFT MASTERY

and just buff druid shapeshifts in general

[icy knot]

either fast transformations or powerful ones
fast ones broke the game so its time for powerful ones

[shrewd hazel]

Dwarf is too penalized with the movement speed reduction to balance the slight height advantage. Some other positive should be included.

[icy knot]

would it be possible to kill fire golem boss if you removed 'hitting him in the cheecks 🧀 ?'

[lyric meadow]

true

however movement with druid is so buns if you cant shapeshift that fast

think of panther chicken jump and rats jumping through doors

[whole vigil]

buff the mdr in mdr gear and nerf its pdr if necessary

[broken rapids]

I love beign forced play rogue with no daggers to do some dmg.

Add Screaming sound to whirlwind.

[gritty epoch]

I’m would love for more sources of items like sterling weapons to be obtained through the dungeon, atleast “inactivated” versions that could either be improved with more silver powder or have an activation condition. Really just more variants of craftables that can be found.

[icy knot]

Some balance changes I am surprised were not added in previous patch notes

• nerfing action speed parry of all polearms, all high damage weapons
• making sure all high damage weapons have only 1 riposte?
• nerfing action speed or damage of barbarian whirlwind

[broken rapids]

also WW should have some melee penalty after use, cuz im getting hits with another melee right aftger spinning.

[torn yoke]

I beg of you to raise the base stat of gear by 1 again as it has been the past few wipes. Squire gear is disproportionally affected by this recent change.

[icy knot]

Explain

[broken rapids]

Parry just doesnt working, legit parried 2 hits from longsword, he continued swings+it did dmg to me.

I mean wtf is this for? Shoudnt I atleast block it?) Stop combo?

[icy knot]

This skill kinda removes skill expression

Press one button get close

Don't think
Don't aim

[torn yoke]

Stats on gear were lowered this wipe. Epic gear would give 5 in a stat, now it's 4. Rare gear was 4, now it's 3. It's kind of whatever on higher end gear with good rolls, but on squire kits this really sucks. For example common (white) riveted gloves would give you 3 STR the wipe before, now it's only 3. Gray (poor) gear only gives you 1 in a stat. It felt really nice to have white gear give you 3 or 2+1 stats, let you actually branch out a little build even in squire. It wasn't OP, it just felt nice to have some stats even in squire, and it was for everyone. It was just better

[rigid arch]

I’ve noticed that with my cutlass where I’ll hear the block, start the parry but take dmg for no reason

[broken rapids]

It should atleast stop the combo.

[rigid arch]

True it should

[whole vigil]

either whirlwinds needs to be deleted or make it apply 60% weapon damage bigger movespeed penalty and ability to stop that shit with a parry or a block

[teal creek]

how does barb outpace while lamented with weapon out and not raged

almost certainly not even damaged enough for berserker to kick in

[void remnant]

Fix poison on rogue it legit only lasted 1 sec on a base fighter which is legit the base. it should have ticked 4 times

[void remnant]

Stop making so many changes the wiki legit died because it cant keep up with SDF BS

[icy knot]

People like new goblin caves level. Module design is 9/10(I still haven't been there)

[halcyon juniper]

@keen onyx so how long we going to keep wizard unplayable?

this wipe is summarized into melee classes hitting left click repeatedly with 0 nuance or brain power needed.
How long are you folks going to keep destroying this game before you can actually figure out balancing?

In one wipe you’ve seemingly managed to remove 4 classes out of the game to the point where they are quite literally unplayed, or only viable in teams with gear, to which I mite add even with gear Wizard is by far the least enjoyable to play now. You are unable to get a spell off before any melee classes closes the gap.

It doesn’t take a seasoned developer to grasp the concept. The game is just barb and fighter not dark and darker.

And this doesn’t even begin to scratch the service at the gross negligence seen in squire kits, where unless you are fighting the bottom 10% of players, casters are useless. Warlock isn’t even played as a caster anymore it’s just boc and phantomize spam now.

This game had 3 to 4 times the player base in seasons 1-3. Let that sink in

[serene snow]

Change PvE Format to a Co-op Campaign
These co-op campaigns would have a start and an end. all the players work together to progress from one module to the next. PvE modules would have one entrance and one exit. The exits to the next module are gated by some objective like killing a boss mob, surviving a wave of mobs, solving some puzzle, etc. Completing the campaign should give some sort of reward based on how many adventure points you get.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/693259/change-pve-format-to-a-coop-campaign

[graceful harness]

Make a arifact piece 0f clothing i think a cloak would fit well that gives u a third skill slot

[icy knot]

[frosty juniper]

the last season was the best balance its ever been, just was problematic with the druids who were ratting too much

[swift isle]

need to nerf babarian spin crazy how you can parry it and they still spin I mainly play rogue my only option is to parry them with rapier but now they can just spin and I cant do shit about it

[frosty juniper]

we shouldve known the balance was too good - sdf could probably feel naaah this is way too balanced we should remake the whole combat movement system

and the timing too lol, uhmm guys we gonna add some new stuff to barb and fighter, oh btw we made them unkitable at the same time so they can really test out their new abilities

[subtle plinth]

new warlock perk. Dark Heart: Dark damage dealt to an enemy is given to the warlock as "shadow", which will heal the amount of damage done, plus a max of 50 overheal when the target you have done dark damage is killed by dark damage. can only affect one enemy at a time, which will be the last enemy you damaged with dark damage

[marsh cedar]

Adjust ray of darkness to when spell casting speed goes up we dont lose damage. Similar to magic missile keeping damage but fires faster

[icy knot]

myth and myther 3 got relaesed?

[broken rapids]

Merge Lockpicking+Pickpocket, since there is huge nerf of chests, I dont think Lockpick perk itself is viable.

[icy knot]

i hope you poseted it on IM suggestion site

future TM description change suggestion:
Dealing damage with curses converts gray health into real health.
or smt like that

[proven berry]

Warlocks need a Perk that gives move speed, caster warlock is not great at the moment as fighters and barbs just run you down in a few seconds... maybe add something like -10 health, +10 move speed

[icy knot]

🤦‍♂️

give me signal when warlock will be worked on.
I have a 20-page essay for you to ignore SDF. ❤️

[icy knot]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/693324/anti-parry-mob-idea

[subtle plinth]

dont we all

[icy knot]

[subtle plinth]

but fr i have an entire multi page google doc of warlock concepts

[icy knot]

❤️

concepts are short
opposite of what you post

[subtle plinth]

oh my concepts are short, i could go way more into detail but im lazy

[icy knot]

lets hope we get more than other classes just because we want to help

[subtle plinth]

yes indeed, warlock deserves more because warlock is my favorite class

[whole vigil]

are they gonna nerf whirlwind or they keeping it broken af

[dire fractal]

anyone having server problems

[upper karma]

get this parry crap outta here these servers are so fucking horrible there is no skill expression in blocking an attack that hit the wall

like how am i blocking daggers when theyre far enough away from me i cant even hit them with bardiche

[spark marsh]

https://youtu.be/acSN3S97R0A?si=mCe-jx_YTvZDh87A Here you can see how the combo worked before. Left, right, left, right. It's a very short video. The sequence in which you press the buttons is the sequence of the combo. It's always been that way. But no one believes me. specifically pressing and holding the buttons, not just pressing them. The combo has been broken since the start of the season. I reported it in the bug tracker. But with the release of the fixes, my problem was ignored. The combo now looks like 3 left-handed strikes and 1 right-handed strike. Everything is broken... Please, if you don't want to add anything, at least don't break what was there before.

[copper pendant]

Upon aggroing the boss all doors should lock (and be unbreakable). The only way to out is killing the boss, dying, or invising to reset aggression. This will prevent third parties and allow the boss to be killed while preventing third parties while still instilling a sense of urgency since you can't just walk out the boss room when the fight doesn't go well.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/693432/boss-room-tweak

[azure locust]

For god's sake they need to add an ability for me to change my character name

[neon inlet]

Lets cry about a +3 all warlock but give a fighter +5 🙂

[pearl agate]

There has the be a auto sort button for the stash, hate having to look for a single 1x1 item out of my 4 stash slots. Yes i can sort it myself but i wont cause im lazy.

[daring marsh]

anyone else not able to find the (green) gold goblet and silver chalice?

[pearl agate]

i fould plenty, mostly got them from gold pile

[daring marsh]

what difficulty?

[pearl agate]

norms

[daring marsh]

i only get blues+ from gold pile in norms...

[unreal elk]

the movement is this game feels so stale to me lately compared to older versions. I feel like they should really just give everyone a sprint/stamina bar.. and only make the fighter sprint slightly more unique in speed if they want to keep that skill relevant to fighter

[icy knot]

pve mode exist

[vernal hedge]

Same thing applies, I don’t recall a single green from loot piles

[naive orchid]

Anyone useful know where clams are ?

[icy knot]

in the sea?

[naive orchid]

Fishu you been here too long not to help people

[winter citrus]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/693496/add-impact-power-to-whirlwind

My suggestion for whirlwind

I think whirlwind is pretty close to being balanced, only thing I see that is particularly nasty is it being able to be used in very tight corridors with no downside

[daring marsh]

even pve is blue

[opaque umbra]

Today I would simply recommend some better physics-based kill animations for PvE. Looks awkward when you slam a goblins head with a war maul and he stands there staggering instead of getting yeeted. And skeletons should shatter, damnit.

[brisk junco]

under actually

[whole vigil]

whirlwind needs a big nerf soon, 70 weapon damage and spin speed reduced by half.

buff mdr gear, they are trash, buff the MDR and reduce its pdr example: common grade dark leather leggings (-5 ms, 15 mdr, 50 pdr) to ( -4 ms, 30 mdr, 30 pdr) @keen onyx @hollow creek. Same goes with the other mr gear like Ornate Jazerant, Dark Padded Hose with appropriate changes to ms and pdr

[vapid wyvern]

Would be nice if cleric could have acces to the crystal sword or something similar, all cleric weapon has similar patern and feel the same, maybe a mace that swing like a falchion or something like that, could be cool to have a sword type weapon, idk why restrict them to only mace type

[whole vigil]

make ruins actually randomize, its the same layout every game, and please change the rooms that have no 4 exits to always have 4 doors exits. @keen onyx @hollow creek

[abstract mulch]

lets remove Whirlwind now, you got rid of disarm lets get rid of the most trash ability you ever gave to barb besides crush. they can already outrun you with their weapon out with rage they dont need fking whirlwind too

[icy knot]

there are more important things to cook than this

[modern cipher]

yeah, I think the same

[opaque umbra]

There literally aren't. Animation team and physics have nothing more important to do right now. Whatever you probably want has nothing to do with the resources needed to get it done.

Now if you're desperate enough to have your own intended feature worked on over everybody else's suggestions, keep it to yourself. Nobody cares.

[icy knot]

Do wizard shoes have a 1 millisecond annoying high-pitched sound, or am I tripping?

animation:
fix Skeleton Guardsman downward attack so it can be consistently parried

[civic parcel]

anyone else think the quests are horrible this season?

[icy knot]

Quest design?

[broken rapids]

Make Dizzy effect after whirlwind.

Fix inventory right click on miss :d i leggit dont want to swing while inv.

[vernal hedge]

They’ve always been a massive grindfest that’s hardly rewarding

[frigid berry]

We need to have impact affect longsword parry. Thank you sdf and team. Longsword has no counter. Its time for impact to make a difference. A fighter shouldnt be able to parry a strong man build with 7 impact with a longsword. Should force stop the parry.

[broken rapids]

Fix buyback if reward coin sold by mistake :d

[abstract mulch]

Can we Nerf Bards Shriek its too dumb its too effective on both bosses and players

[gloomy inlet]

add the option to start red with out your team mates in exchange for not all spawning in the same area and having to just find each other if u choose to start red

[orchid hinge]

Buff Unique"s, they are not even worth running most of the time

[pseudo venture]

make us able to buy lot more inventory , even if its overpriced idc just 3 week ssf is way too much with 5 inventory

[lilac lake]

Agreed. Acts like he makes the game

[hardy forge]

remove parry , make it so u can block only, shit is fucking stupid, everybody just holds parry

[ripe belfry]

Get gud

Add a 10 second delay to looting in pve mode so that it is whoever killed something last can loot it and others can not for 10 seconds

[frosty juniper]

buy the game, 10x 5 inventory instead then

[pseudo venture]

good advice thanks you

[gloomy inlet]

add an account wide PvP kill tracker and a class specific PvP kill tracker

[torn goblet]

need hr brackets for ssf duration shit is absolute aids

[icy knot]

nah don't remove parry
just nerf high damage weapons parry

[subtle plinth]

make parried parrys disarm

[whole vigil]

FFS PLASE NERF BARB, nerf whirlwind, nerf berserk, nerf rage, nerf reckless, fk that class

nerf base hp and str put it on resourcefulness and knowledge

nerf agi too

[broken rapids]

Why does Barbarian have passive bleeding perk and rogue doesnt? I dont count poison, thats weak asf. daggers should have some bleed perk passive tbh since they weak as hell

[whole vigil]

hell no, poison is more than enough, you can use rupture or play warlock if you really like damage over time bs

[broken rapids]

still no reason to barb must have bleeding. :d
And rupture is lowered by pdr.

[whole vigil]

I did not say anything about barb bleeding, I dont agree about them having that perk either

rogue is fine, only rogue needs right now is increasing base vigore and reducing resourcefulness

also mid wipe you will get new bs for both rogue and ranger, get ready for both to be broken af like how barb is right now

[broken rapids]

Rogue isnt fine cuz he is forced to be played without daggers.

[whole vigil]

no it does not, if you run the dagger perks you will do a lot of damage

[broken rapids]

ye fr i do heals with headshots.

[eager dove]

@keen onyx please add a real leveling system,focus everything on a skill tree

[icy knot]

sdf tell us how you doing

[modern isle]

hello

[prisma magnet]

Quest requirement quantities should directly corrispond to the amount of spawns available for said enemy/item. For example, the quest "Death Awakens" requires 7 skelly archers, 7 skelly swordman, 7 axeman, and 2 wraiths. Axeman are rare compared to the others, why wouldn't they be set to 4 or something reasonable for an early season quest.

also green treasure should not be this hard to find, i still have no green ceremonial or chalice/golden cup. I would have finished days ago if this was blue treasure...

[frosty juniper]

apparantly those items are missing from the loot table and only drops in locked lions/golden chests (mostly on pve server since theyre green)

or we were supposed to get them there idk which is which

[whole vigil]

DELETE WHIRLWIND IVE HAD IT, delete that shit, and nerf rage, berserk, reckless by 50%

[halcyon pulsar]

2 spins

[whole vigil]

not enough, better to be deleted

[prisma magnet]

that's a little absurd lol

[prisma magnet]

barb and barber strikes again

[median peak]

bards should not be allowed to open golden chests for free, bring a lockpick like everyone else. for rogue its fine since they have to sacrifice a perk slot for it.

[whole vigil]

remove whirlwind!!!!!!!!

[tired acorn]

buff whirlwind pls sdf

[brisk junco]

fr buff whirlwind needs another spin maybe 2

[broken rapids]

Nothing going to help this game except proper skill tree. Currently we have tanks with massive damage etc… this needs to be fixed to give classes some identity.

[whole vigil]

I know the guys above are rage baiting, but too be honest if they keep barb this op for a long time this season player count gonna declined even faster, Nerf all of these on barb, Whirlwind, rage, reckless, berserk, and robust @keen onyx, actually remove whirlwind completely, the skill is braindead push 1 button to win.

[subtle plinth]

with the class updates you should be adding skill trees with them

[fossil fossil]

As a melee wiz , can we get another staff skill, one that gives me 5% action speed and 2 extra impact resistance with a staff? I would happily trade my 10% magic damage perk for that.

Also, some more ignite style spells would be awesome!

A perk that doubles buff duration would be 10/10

Jump boost or a low level teleport would be perfect too.

Grayson, save us.

[sharp peak]

Add a keybind to remove current active spell so we can block. Can't be that hard. Set you spell to nothing like when you start a new game.

[abstract mulch]

no its totally not but disarm was

[brave nova]

Should make it the R key, when you're holding any weapon capable of casting spells. R already activates the lantern on the lantern shield, so why not use that key more often?

[winter kite]

Good job punishing bad actors. Its important to set precedent on these things.

My suggestion:
When punishing bad actors be more and more biased based on age.
Example, first major offense from a say 12 year old. Slap on the wrist, educational moment.
First major offense from a 30 year old? Ban. Doubtful that its their first major in their gaming career and at 30 they should know better.

[ripe belfry]

Barbs whirlwind just needs a slight DMG nerf 100% of the weapon DMG is a little bit too much but everyone complaining is not going to help every class grow to be balanced without either buffing all classes to compete with the new advanced in this games combat

So far the skill ceiling has been made perfectly casual and counters are in place for people fighting against each class such as disarm or pommel strike or rogue silence and panther silence to stop barbs whirl wind

What needs more focus now is classes base stats due to the nerf to all gear and how each class interacts with each other to prevent certain comps from being immortal

Shapeshift mastery should also provide a slightly higher spell casting red buff or at minimum a 25% bonus on knowledge stat or something since they have to build it more now

Druids have not been a issue at all this wipe and seems more balanced but could use a slightly higher edge to keep transformation gameplay into the game to a extent

Rogue still needs invis reworked or completely removed because this class can easily attain 50% armor pen with only perks and gear alone not even using its skills like weak point allowing for builds where any class will die to landmine even barbarian if played properly

The addition of either a speed boost or a dash would be a better implementation of a assassin that is quick in and out and potentially able to confirm a kill then escape

[rotund gust]

WTB the Tavern back as a lobby hangout. You can decorate and upgrade your Inn Room above, players in your lobby can go into your room and check it out. Able to change gear at your room above and practice on the target dummies to see builds. Have mini games, like Chess/checkers, or some sort of Medieval boardgame. Have the ability to duel in a courtyard outside the Tavern. Some drunk boxing would be fun.

[icy knot]

The only thing that would bring me back to the game is new playstyles for my beloved Warlock class

dying in order to cast magic spells is such a pain

[patent mauve]

Warlock troll cheese

[icy knot]

what's that

[patent mauve]

Torture Mastery demonlock with -63% debuff duration

[broken rapids]

SKILL TREE or we are cooked all. its fcked up totally, all around full tanks does one-two taps etc etc.. i refuse to fight these.

[broken rapids]

Make parry to cancel fuckin combos, its so freaking useless in pvp if its not doublehanded oneshots.

[broken rapids]

Quest Vendors should take higher quality quest items insted of lower ones.

[bleak hearth]

I have two ideas I would like to humbly submit:

1. Delicious in Darker! Cooking with monster parts. There are so many monster parts that serve little purpose for players to buy them on the auction house, how about adding some cooking to the game? It would be another good use for campfires and monster parts, and obviously provides an array of buffs in return. I enjoy the moments around a camp fire.

2. Tavern vibes! Re-implementing the tavern in some capacity. Personally, I miss the tavern lobby. It really connected the 2D tavern menus to the 3D dungeon gameplay by being something in between. The tavern is very cozy and I like returning to it between harrowing expeditions. It's a nice hub.

[ripe belfry]

I can see what your saying here making parrys that are done properly have a slightly better feel or increase in value for landing would be very beneficial for everyone while also making this more casual and fun by making it so if anyone that lands a parry causes whoever that hit the blade to gain a action speed penalty when the repost is activated so that you can land your repost with possibility of safely disengaging after it lands for a more fluid combat that seems more tactical and less hold w and left click but also simple to where it's anyone's fight and fun @keen onyx @dawn grotto

So far you guys are doing amazing btw I love you and your team

[whole vigil]

it is op and the nerf they just done to whirlwind is not enough should be either 50 or 60 weapon damage

[broken rapids]

Just in case, did anyone have issue after beign dissarmed, that you cant use any action button?(M1,M2... opening doors etc..?) It happened me yday, I had to relog

[ripe belfry]

It is not that serious plus fighter and rogue and druid have silence to directly counter whirl wind when there is legitimate counter play but everyone refuses to use it it's not op its a choice of donation

[whole vigil]

first off, I aint gonna run disarm, secondly if I am rogue and wanna attempt silence I would lose 90% of my hp from the first whirlwind hit, thirdly same shit with panther

[ripe belfry]

Silence instantly stops whirl wind also fighter has pommel strike and it literally cancels whirl wind and adds 25 DMG on hit

[whole vigil]

there is no counter play except kiting it out, I am not risking getting hit with silence, I dont use 1 handers and shield with fighter

[ripe belfry]

If you genuinely believe that you will not improve because when you have tools at your disposal but refuse to use them because you don't want to that's a you problem I play fighter slayer fighter with adrenaline rush and pommel strike and I full kill every barb that I run into every time when they whirl wind

[whole vigil]

I dont always play classes with those tools and plus there are better skills to use

[pseudo venture]

if u play ls & lose against ww its on u bro

[ripe belfry]

That's like saying gee I wanna play a caster but you keep getting silenced and refuse to play a different class so you can have a change of pace and not always suffer at something your not good at countering

Why play a losing battle EVERY time

[whole vigil]

you probably dont know that blocking with ls will still get you hit from whirlwind, and reposte will never out dps whirlwind plus rage barb, or reckless whirlwind

[pseudo venture]

i do but np keep cryin

[ripe belfry]

There is literal one button press things that make barbs fodder

Disarm:says hello and walks into your kitchen and takes a caprisun

[broken rapids]

exactly. also CT needs to be activated and ti takes time like 1 rotation.

To be honest what I want on whirlwind is just it stopps if hit wall or so. in close quatters its legit crazy.

[ripe belfry]

It's not usable if that's the case tho

And low-key cutthroat should always be active on cooldown in my honest opinion literally any on hit abilities that don't go on cooldown until you proc them should always be active

Or up

[broken rapids]

Ye of course CT is needed to be ability, thats sure.
Rogue basically miss some ability to avoid Melee attack, something like CT, but not working as dissarm - maybe only reset animation or cancel swing on hit.

from my side WW problem is mainly that it can go thru walls without penalty/cancel.. also low penalty for upcoming melee after rotation, and NO DIZZY effect after spin.

[ripe belfry]

Low-key I feel like rogue is insane rn I think rogue is in a really really good spot

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/m3RPJqRnt9fnOb2zV/spok?invite=cr-MSxia1UsNDQzMTAwMjc2LA

This being part of my basis on that

[whole vigil]

rogue still need vigor buff

remove base resourcefulness put it on vigor, sorc has more vigor than rogue its stupid

[broken rapids]

Well.. depens, we will see hot it gonna look after dagger buff now. Personally I hate playing rogue with nonDagger weapon. (I wish Dagger mastery allows dual weild daggers with no movement penalty from 1 dagger equiped atleast.)

Also "its High speed mobility class" (from status while creating class), its kinda not true. only what it has is DJ for mobility. and Ambush(which needs perk slot+hide to activate).

This game mostly need Perk tree, so all classes make some diversity, becuase its not ok that we have full tanks with double handed weapons doing 90+ damage on swing while having 150+hp 300 speed... and high base power in squire gear already.

[ripe belfry]

Rogue can literally full kill any class in 4 stabs wearing blue gear btw

[broken rapids]

In perfect scenario maybe. min maxed etc.

[whole vigil]

what you said did not even address what I said, I said rogue need more vigor

[ripe belfry]

Why give the assassin a squishy class more vigor than a fighter is what I'm hearing

[pseudo venture]

rogue is suppose to be a rogue

[broken rapids]

Cuz its not assasin, or even Glass cannon... maybe Glass without cannon.)

[whole vigil]

why a squishy class like sorc have more vigor than rogue

[ripe belfry]

Legit just put strength base stats in blues with armor pen and dex and usually you can get close to 18 armor pen using dagger and then 50 armor pen when stabbing using the perks on top of having additional DMG on everything

[whole vigil]

wizard has 1 more vigor than rogue, these classes have strong range option while rogue does not

[ripe belfry]

Rogue is literally the highest DPS class in the game

[whole vigil]

rogue needs to be 6-10 vigor and reduce resourcefulness to 25-21

[broken rapids]

With TTK in this game u can count DPS only to PvE.

Cuz legit 5 stabs stilleto is basically equal to 1 bardiche hit.

[whole vigil]

does not matter when you can literally kill a rogue with 2 spells or 2 melee hits

[ripe belfry]

You are fully invisible and not audible when someone is casting a spell or channeling one

[broken rapids]

You can hear rogue in invis 2 modules away lol. Specially dagger equip is loud as hell

[whole vigil]

cause you can confidently when you can sneeze two spells on rogue and the class is dead

sometimes even 1 spell can fully kill a rogue

[broken rapids]

Just disclaimer, I dont cry about rogues. Hide is always problem in games and yes I wish its removed and exchanged for ability wheel.

I wrote here cuz of Whirlwind stopping motion x objects.

[pseudo venture]

if u want rogue to be tanky & shit just play bard

[ripe belfry]

I don't have clips of it but when arena is out again you can parry spells with dagger it's actually insane the hitbox of dagger parry

[whole vigil]

thats why I play bard more than rogue, if rogue had more hp I would play both

[broken rapids]

Arena should have own division for suggestions tbh.
its different world.

[whole vigil]

if a rogue can parry spells then its a skill dif, casters have million of aoe bs

[ripe belfry]

True but like in a perfect world where mobs are cleared those are the fights you should expect

[ripe belfry]

This is true but then again you need to sneak up on people 1v1 scenario you should always be waiting and never moving really 3v3 you gank

[broken rapids]

Lets get back to previous discussion about Barbs :d leave rogues alone. thats neverending conversation allover again.

[ripe belfry]

Remove true invis give rogue a double dash like panther with longer range

[whole vigil]

suggestion for rogue in the upcoming mid season class changes, perk +6 vigor, 5% mdr, 5% pdr -6 resourcefulness

[ripe belfry]

Do you build will on rogue

[whole vigil]

sometimes

[ripe belfry]

I'm ngl I don't see how people are out trading you if you build right every class I have ever encountered on rogue dies minimum 4 or 5 hits this wipe

[whole vigil]

for me its easier fighting melee classes than range on rogue

[ripe belfry]

Barbs included

[ripe belfry]

This I agree with because ranger has chase and that is kinda just the anti rogue stick and they get to wave it around all willy nilly because ranger is "weak because it has to carry arrows"

[whole vigil]

carrying arrows now easier than ever, while theres still no bolt quiver

[ripe belfry]

Bows need weapon sway and reduction on the armor pen or removal of armor pen and just like 3 true DMG and Lord so help me make it so that holding a drawn bow automatically holsters after 4 seconds of being held at full draw

[whole vigil]

no to the true damage part

[ripe belfry]

A long bow is 180 or more lbs of force why are rangers golden sculpted gods with the arm strength of Zeus himself

[whole vigil]

longbow needs a nerf to its damage

[ripe belfry]

I agree with DMG nerf but they should not be able to hold it drawn indefinitely

[whole vigil]

I dont want any true damage on bows, whats the point of removing true damage from the rolls lmao

[ripe belfry]

Ranger down a hallway gg there is no way to push that in any way shape or form unless there is 3 of you to overwhelm him and the entire other team has no other form of range

[ripe belfry]

Idk I only said that cuz they put true on hand cannon but tbh removing the armor pen entirely would be a good start for making ranged fair

[whole vigil]

hand cannon is an exception cuase its slow af to use, imagine getting multishot by 5 arrows with 3 true damge each

[ripe belfry]

C'mon man who are we kidding shotgun full kills anyone with the full thing regardless of that

[whole vigil]

sometimes you live with 5 hp left lmao

[ripe belfry]

That's 5 entire arrows potentially doing 78 DMG a piece body shot if they are min maxed properly

[whole vigil]

I am hoping they nerf multishot any time soon

[ripe belfry]

They wont

[broken rapids]

I want Wizards invis so I can run and stab

[whole vigil]

btw they made sorc move full ms when casting spells now, I honestly dont know what these devs are thinking

[ripe belfry]

This is actually very fair

They had a bug that would give them a double slow when casting with both hands this is to prevent that slow bug it's not like actually busted

[whole vigil]

how is it fair when sorc does more than half your hp with 1 bolt and can infinitly push and root you from ever getting close

[ripe belfry]

I will say this if any one can play sorc why isn't everyone playing sorc they have to genuinely work for a w and one single mistake and they are dead there is not a lot of saving grace for sorcs

[broken rapids]

Skill tree will save the game all around,

[ripe belfry]

Elaborate more on this skill tree I have heard you speak of

[whole vigil]

I main sorc, bard, and fighter and I am telling you this change is broken, its very easy to play sorc

takes few brain cells to cycle through spells

[ripe belfry]

I can assure you it is not broken it legit is to fix sorcs double slow when casting with both hands ..........

[broken rapids]

U never played games with Skill Trees?
Now you have mobile full tank classes with stupid dmg.

Skill Tree brings out diversity for creative builds.
Now its just item/ability meta.

[ripe belfry]

You mean like multi classing when they had it

[whole vigil]

ill have to test it out when the game goes live, but from what I am thinking, ill be able to cast spells when moving almost full ms

[broken rapids]

No multiclassing is stupid and its not skill Tree like.

Skill Tree for each class different. not mixing perks/abilities.

[whole vigil]

might be able to cast spells while moving all the time lmao

[ripe belfry]

Low-key tho they would not buff sorc like that that's like making jolly time give 15 move speed

[whole vigil]

its 30% ms, and sorcs mostly build ms and be a little above 300 ms

[ripe belfry]

You'll literally just be barely 300 Ms then

[whole vigil]

i might be confused is 30% same as 30 ms, would they get 330 ms if they are 300

[ripe belfry]

Or maybe a little over

From what I heard from other sorcs it literally just puts you at like barely above your base move speed with hands out and most sorcs only have like 305 move speed and everyone has like a one button press to catch a 305 target

[whole vigil]

30% of 300 is 90 so they will be cap ms when casting

[ripe belfry]

It should not be a massive deal

[whole vigil]

330 ms casting is not fair and balanced

[ripe belfry]

There's no way on gods green earth they would allow sorc to get 330 move speed for casting with both hands that don't even make sense

[icy knot]

1.75% riposte for daggers is really interesting
I like that

[broken rapids]

Me too but at the same time I would rather see canceling combos for no riposte instead of riposte and get another damage while riposte or getting damage thru parry/block.

(example yesterday I parried 3 longsword combo, and before I landed 1+stepback riposte Short sword hit, i got hit by another 2 hits from longsword.) - not mentioning that I got 2 dmg thru 2 swings from parried swings from 1st combo start.

• but thats propably desync issue.

[whole vigil]

buff weapon gaurd to be +3 impact power, 5% mdr and pdr when holding block, and 4 seconds for 5 phys power duration @keen onyx

allow all classes to use stefan beret since you can easily allow classes to use other classes gear, and champ armor for fighter

I wanna use stefan beret on slayer fighter, ranger, melee sorc

[quick oriole]

Why are that keep buff sorcerer is so broken

[whole vigil]

they keep wanna making sorc a broken kiting classes which they should buff its melee aspects

[quick oriole]

Yes I don’t get it like sorcerer is just spam and you are in the air I don’t get it

This is not fun