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plain otter
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If how broken sorcerer was on release warranted a hotfix nerf, surely how bad it is now warrants a hotfix buff. It makes no sense for you guys to work on the class for this long just to have it be useless after 1 day.

rare mountain
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Chu ko nu crossbow - Repeater Crossbow?

Requirement: Hold with 2 hands, Crossbow Mastery

Stats: -45 movement speed, armor penetration 15%, Physical Base Weapon Damage 32

Class: Ranger

  • Weakness: Long reload time, needs Dex to reload and pull the trigger rapidly for the repeater, short-range (a little farther than the Hand Crossbow)
  • Strong: DPS, bolts magazine, just fill the bolts into the magazine

(My English isn't good.)

winter idol
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While playing crystal sword I came up with an idea how to make parries on non-reposte weapons worth it without devaluating reposte as a mechanic.

Imagine instead of going into a stagger animation after a successful parry, you straight go back into default position, allowing you to follow up with a standard left click attack. It would deal way less damage than an actual reposte attack and would also be slower, but it would still give you a little bit of chip damage against enemies and a good starting point for an attack chain. This would also really distinguish parries from shieldblocks, since you cant block multiple attacks in rapid succession as you can with shield. Thus making parry much more offensive and blocking much more defensive.

Also it would need close to no dev time, since you're basicly just removing an animation.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/602059/easy-way-to-make-weapon-parry-worth-without-reposte

Upvote if you like.

upbeat bone
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Add a gamemode with the circle back, more fun PvP

remote whale
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A monk class with 3 perks that specialize the monk into 3 sub classes, Iron fist ( pure fist only with some damage reduction), spirit monk ( a "spellcaster" ) and a monk who can support

remote whale
upbeat bone
remote whale
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The ability to rotate items to organise inventory

quick spade
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Because you nerf one mechanic for some reason, but leave others untouched. That's just shitty game balance

icy knot
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make druid's rat form slower x 0.95 to 0.99 but give them additional health 5HP to 15HP

jolly leaf
fierce canyon
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did you fix it ?

rough dagger
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Flame thrower should be buffed. Hellfire does 60 dps and its a projectile while flame thrower does 10 dps and you need to stand there casting.

glacial sphinx
ashen canyon
jolly leaf
dense valve
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now that sorc uses spell cool downs. what would you guys think if each class gets some cantrips to choose from. just like dungens and dragons they would be some spells you can always use( cool down based) and low tear but realible. perhaps merge some of the skills for current classes into cantips, like spell reflection on fighter, or invisability on the rogue aswell as some new ones. it would atleast give a reson for usless rolls on gear like knolage and will have some impact for those classes. classes like wiz, druid and cleric could would be able to use them for simple mobs or buffs without sitting all the time.

molten latch
# glacial sphinx true

Have not yet played this season (waiting to recover bit of dnd motivation and for few of first hotfix rounds to hit) so have not seen it or do not know how much damage.
Is flamer working as one expects, aka turnable?
So there is bit of difference in where slow projectile might in some ways be just worse, since one can not wiggle or track to make sure that person coming to touch range gets hit?
But as said, I do not have idea at what balance point it is at all, so I am not denying possibility of it needing buff

austere iris
stable dagger
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have the merchants in a list and when you click them their menue pops up in the newly opened area

old token
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Delete weapon mastery, let fighter use any melee weapon. Daggers, rapiers, bows and windlass could be used only by slayer. All magical weapons cannot be used at all

leaden galleon
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remove phantomize from warlock its the most stupid thing ever you can mess up as many times as you want without a single consequence and its been this way since they added him and are too stupid to do anything about it

ashen canyon
leaden galleon
lilac garden
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Make a named Maul weapon for barbarian that looks like Excalibur stuck in the rock

leaden galleon
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the way sdf sees this game is instead of nerfing any character we should buff every other character so they are just as overpowered then there is no need to nerf other people

abstract bone
leaden galleon
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great advice thanks for that ill take it into consideration i must be playing the game wrong if i cant 1 tap a rat

barren grove
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fix the audio bugs please

orchid sable
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Where's the test server update?

marsh shell
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I think Pouch should be 500 gold instead of 200, The investment you put into it to only save 4 slots in comparison to the Bag is actually insane. (Or even 250)

spring thorn
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I wish we could "lock" items to prevent accidentally selling them. Last season I accidentally vendored a really good bow while doing the old squire-swap to restock my arrows, and it felt AWFUL.

Related suggestion: locked items can only be brought into Arena, so that we can't accidentally lose them if somebody accidentally queues us for High Roller (especially since the queue is now usually too fast for anybody to cancel)

ashen canyon
frozen agate
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and should stay locked for 30 seconds to a minute after boss is killed so you can heal

main reef
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i really like continuous dungeon, mainly on crypts. goblin caves, a map with no extra floor, its a problem. going for boss objectives is absolutely nightmarish right now, the backfill time needs to be disabled for GC or severely limited, its an insane deathmatch

peak wren
jolly leaf
peak wren
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Instead of preventing players from fighting in the boss room more points of interest could be added to give people another place to flock to.

Defending an alchemy table/crafting station/forge for example, to craft high tier gear ONLY made in the dungeon etc.

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
# peak wren Instead of preventing players from fighting in the boss room more points of inte...

I've been askin for that for more than a year now. There's a suggestion with 1.6k upvote asking for that : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem
There is SO MUCH possibility to add new objective in the dungeon. Like instead of removing the Expressman, make it an NPC that spawn randomly on the map or who roam the map. Make a Forge module where you can bring item + gem to do the same thing that the merchant do but here it's free and you can get the max roll. Fishing, just watch this https://youtu.be/eusNKWKROfg?si=sTgOaEJuM9E2zupi, very cool system, i'd love to have that in the game

peak wren
jolly leaf
mint ledge
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We have test servers, but I think it would be good to have testing grounds sooner than later. This would make it so much easier to catch bugs and experiment with new classes and mechanics.
A social hangout server is a lot more important than just hanging out in, we can have scrimmages and ultimately mess around with everything to see how the game works.
This would ultimately benefit both devs and players as you would not only be giving us a hangout space, but also receive free bug testing.

torn goblet
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bm emotes shouldnt have sound

fast robin
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What's everyone's thoughts about have a tortle race that gives some type of health bonus and addition armor rating or MR. But make it where they can't have a chest piece.

lucid aurora
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why not

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maybe they shouldn't have head piece too though

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Since turtles can retract their head into their shell

empty mantle
fast robin
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That would be interesting, but at that point due to the downsides of having no chest or head gear you would have to have anither Stat like headshot reduction

torn goblet
craggy cairn
remote whale
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Load out system and that squire can re-buy items of similar quality if you ran out of it in your loadour

night tree
winter nova
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Make diamond let you get all att on rings

round yarrow
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Give Sorcerer access to Doublet shruge

polar plank
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Please limit the fucking time for the continual dungeon 8 minutes into hell and crypts is ass

night tree
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It's not wonderful on the lower levels, I'll agree. On the top level, I don't mind it so much though.

polar plank
livid adder
jolly leaf
night tree
torn goblet
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bossing needs to be changed for the constant third partying, players spawning in mid match is terrible lmao keep continuous dungeons but not the players spawning in.
or lock players out of boss room while the fight is ongoing

upper karma
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game needs to be sold to a different studio

night tree
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I've been talking about exactly that for a while now, just finally made an official suggestion on the website. I agree that it would benefit the game massively.

split wind
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i suggest adding a feature that removes the memory of ever having played dark and darker

spiral spear
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I SUGGEST ADDING A QUEST COMPLETE POPUP SIMILAR TO STEAM ACHIEVEMENTS WHEN A QUEST IS COMPLETED, IN ADDITION TO ADDING SOME SORT OF INDICATOR ON QUEST ITEMS NEEDED FOR CURRENT QUESTS UNDERWAY

upbeat bone
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They should add a hardcore mode that removes perks and if you die you lose all gear in your inventory and disables market trading

fiery fox
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Suggestion: cannot rejoin lobbies previously died in as it can give an unfair advantage on other players locations, activities, supplies, and health.

icy spindle
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give sorceror a glock 18 with a switch that shoots lightning storms

green vapor
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fix goblin merchant

meager jasper
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Continuous spawns are pretty definitively a failure and should be reverted. The game was better without the system.

jolly leaf
crude hill
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Hand Up if you prefer cutting resouerces by removing solo and duo 😊✋. Spoiler im alone.

jolly leaf
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Maybe removing only Solo could be good. I know a lot of people play it but I feel like the essence of the game is to teamfight solo doesn't really fit in the game (Also it would force people to adapt and get used to playing with other player, talk, strategize with other. It could allow adding a new type of content that require people to cooperate, like wyvern was)

crude hill
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Thank you bro

meager jasper
# jolly leaf Unfortunately it's not something they can allow to revert. They did that to redu...

Nobody cares about what 'the costs of their servers are' over the product. That excuse doesn't fly when the state of the game is markedly reduced to the point where people just don't want to play. And I certainly don't.

If this exists in any way, it shouldn't allow you spawn remotely near someone, should never overfill a lobby, and should have the expressman and in-between waiting rooms.

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I'd say it's terrible it allows spawns more than one minute in to be perfectly honest. There's really no reason to use this over just merging later maps with queued matchmaking.

crude hill
meager jasper
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And yeah, yet another person arguing that removing the audience would remove server costs. Amazing plan.

jolly leaf
# meager jasper Nobody cares about what 'the costs of their servers are' over the product. That ...

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this too. I've figth against is since the first time they talked about it and accurately predicted every mistake they made with the Continuous dungeon. But if it's either that or no game anymore because they can't handle the server cost then give me continuous dungeon every day. But as I said, there is way to improve it, to make it less worst and the initial mistake was to push it live without using test server first

meager jasper
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Have they actually said this is about server costs? Because tbh I don't buy it. I'd rather they monetized more than broke the game completely. As far as I can tell you're not giving me numbers or sources. This is just an abstract.

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
meager jasper
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Re-queuing for a minimum minute, say, would be better, allow a time in which to interact with the expressman , and make it so multiple matches aren't spent on too many players.

jolly leaf
meager jasper
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If that's their solution, it's definitely weird and not a good one.

crude hill
meager jasper
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I'm only duo/solo I would cry. But realistically the majority of the playerbase play as solo so it would be a terrible idea. Unless those numbers have changed recently?

crude hill
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I prefer sdf plan to make playing solo vs teams viable

meager jasper
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There's actual solo queing into trios now right? I don't know how the numbers have changed. I've not played in a hot minute.

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Personally I enjoy playing maps actually solo or with an actual trustworthy teammate. I would never engage with a rando.

jolly leaf
crude hill
crude hill
crude hill
jolly leaf
jolly leaf
crude hill
grizzled gull
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Or idk, increasing overall ms and as would make people play faster therefore faster exits would be possible

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Removing gbmm at least in HR would help too

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Lets not lie to ourselves and each other, there are tons of options to reduce server cost

jolly leaf
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There is but i'm not sure increasing MS or removing gbmm would be better that continuous dungeon (imo it would be even worst).

grizzled gull
crude hill
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Far from making it faster i could defend the opposite. Making this game slower in terms of gameplay, not movement speed could be a good thing in general.

meager jasper
# crude hill Btw i m sure they did continuos refill because they saw a windows to reduce cost...

To be perfectly honest if it stays this way I'd expect the long term life of the game to suffer. This is pretty bad imo. I'm really enjoying the new class right now, but it's being constantly marred by the way spawns work, and that certainly drives people away.

And the main thing is, if they nerf how it works, it's going to just end up being... much the same. If say for example we can only spawn in during the first 2 minutes, that's no different to having a 2-minute long queue in-game lobby from the point of view of how many games it will create.

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The obvious solution is absolutely just re-queuing mid-transition. Not whatever this is.

crude hill
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Actualy we were already losing players day by day

meager jasper
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Maybe that's because of IM's constant mismanagement of the game... rolls eyes

Forgive me, I'm trying to be less mean about IM lately, but it's difficult...

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If they hadn't done this to the spawn system, we would have a hard W patch for once. Even with the unbalances, those were fixed in the first hotfix.

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It feels to me like an other arbitrary, unwanted change, nobody asked for.

crude hill
meager jasper
crude hill
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They have to risk

meager jasper
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The way I see it, the issue with IM and DaD is not any 'flaws' in their game. It's that they keep circularly trying to fix those problems instead of focusing on content. The reason I have even returned this wipe is the significant content infusion that's in it. And usually when they add content, it's pretty good. I like their maps, and I like their classes, and I like their combat systems, regardless of how unbalanced they might be I can accept that because generally it's an asymmetrical class system etc.

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With this wipe, an example is that they re-increased survivability.

This is not the first time they've reduced then increased it. They simply do not learn how people respond to what they do. They keep changing things for no reason. We just recently got +all back in, as well. Why? No one who has any sense of the game would tell you +all was healthy for the game. The only argument I can even see for it, that it improves the value of gear with +all vs gem-based gear.

I would bet you right now, they remove it within... two or three months? Again.

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There's a lot of problems that are just emergent behaviour of the game, and those things, imo, are simply not problems. As a hypothetical comparison it's like realizing 20% of the players stop playing Elden Ring beacuse it's too hard. So? At a certain point that's just the cost of what you've made, and if you keep flip flopping you're just annoying the 80% who stayed for no reason, because you aren't going to get those 20% back, they're already gone because they've had a bad experience and most simply don't give things second chances.

crude hill
meager jasper
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Right now the system of going down, as far as I'm concerned is strictly worse. I didn't even want more players in the inferno. The inferno being this place that's not for pvp, but is for bossing or harder pve, that is destroyed because of the constant spawning on such a small map. That was emergent behaviour of it being mostly empty. They've made the most stressful maps more stressful by making it easier for them to be filled to the brim.

crude hill
meager jasper
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Skill is a factor, but gear-and-class-checking is real too.

crude hill
crude hill
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Knowing when you can or cant fight.
Resource managing.

meager jasper
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Agreed. That's why I hate that Time Distortion still exists. It encourages snap-casting strong spells for the head. I'd much rather sorcerer had to hunker down and do a good sequence of spells at the right time etc.

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It's not as bad for wizards' snap cast, cause it's just the one. It's more of an emergency button.

crude hill
meager jasper
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Side effect of the ranged kiting meta, methinks. Makes me wonder what the overall player play rates, and their win-rates are like on Sorcerer. Wonder if we'll see it drop off in use? Personally, I love the idea of fantasy wizards, and almost never play the class because it just sucks to play. It's a class with several niche tricks but not a whole lot else. If you play sorc without distortion, it's actually really satisfying to me specifically because it's very slow at casting, damage-magic focused, and yet still capable of being played very well with its high skill ceiling, and has a decent amount of versatility with its spells. Wizard has an extreme skill ceiling, but it's baseline is worthless, and actively unpleasant imo.

Might not drop off, specifically because it's decent. Which will be a bad indictment of wizard.

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Also wizard is another example of the same problem as cleric: all the buff magic in the game is pretty... awful to deal with. It's either worthless or too strong, there's never an in-between. Back when invis and haste were much stronger, like in PT4, wizard was oppressive if people knew how to play it. (But still not at all satisfying regarding the fantasy)

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Maybe they should introduce Concentration heh. One buff! Only one!

crude hill
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From my perspective the reason behind why you all see problems with the clases is because this game is not fun apart of it's PvP aspect. So ether your class can kill other players or is not good anymore. Im i wrong?

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Maybe im wrong, but thats what i feel.

meager jasper
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Well, to that I would retort - I play Druid. And the reason I play Druid is because once you get the muscle memory for transformation it just feels really good.
Druid is not actually very good. All it takes is game knowledge to beat it really, or at least survive it, and in teams you need support against some opponents. As a bear druid, I am essentially useless against a mage or ranger of any kind, unless I push them into a corner which is dependent on their skill being actively less than mine. Druid is really unmatched at escape, if anything, with only the fastest classes being able to keep pace unless you, again, get trapped somehow.

Dying a lot to players feels really bad. But bear doesn't die a whole lot. Neither does it necessarily win.

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Gamefeel is a big part of these classes to me. I'm still learning sorc, and it just feels better than wizard. Am I actually doing all that well with it? No, not really. But it's fun to play around with.

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I am actually decent with wizard - I am good with zap, at the end of the day -, and I would still much rather be using this than wizard.

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For the record I think that losses are the most meaningless gold-wise they've ever been. There's lots of good loot to go around. And I think that's ultimately good. You can pretty reliably gear yourself compared to earlier versions, and I don't think it's just that I've gotten better. And that really helps avoid being very, very disheartened.

crude hill
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But wizard is so useful. For me is not bad at all.

meager jasper
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That's my problem with it actually. I think it's very useful and completely sucks to play. It's hard to put my finger on it other than feel.

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I think there's a real reason other than the skill-requirement that people don't play it. It is insufferable to all but a few people and doesn't reinforce its own class fantasy all that much.

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The spell slots, the piddly spells, the focus on kiting and combat tricks... It all makes a decent class on paper. But I don't like using it, at the end of the day.

crude hill
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I also don't like all clases i understand.

meager jasper
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But do you want to? Cause I really, really, want to use and like wizard.

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Or perhaps wanted to. Now that I've got my new bae Sorcerer.

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For the record they've said they'll redo wizard at some point, and if they still have plans for that (and stuff like wands), I'll absolutely be the first to give the new version a whirl.

crude hill
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I like wizard and his fantasy, and i have my problem with the class but when i see players complaining about how bad is wizard is always things like "I cant kill this class", "i always die to this class", "this spell should deal more dmg", "my class have to recover spells and the other class have infinite ones" but for me those are not the problem of the class and when i think why other players perceive this so different i always end in PvP.

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And when i watch a Dark and darker Stream i realize most of them are just walking the dungeon only looking for someone to fight. This game can't have clases designed out of PvP because is the most engaging things.

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Bruh

jolly leaf
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Bruh

meager jasper
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The way I see it, wizard has janky spell use limits. It does annoy me that a ranger can clearly use a hell of a lot arrows than wizard can use spells. I think it encourages wizard to not be allowed to use their magic anywhere but pvp, where it shines, but it makes the pve experience awful or simplistic. It's just bonk or magic missile, really.

I don't think its damage is a problem. And I think it is perfectly usable against the classes its supposed to be good against etc. It should have class counters.

crude hill
meager jasper
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Not just in terms of tactile moment-to-moment gameplay. It doesn't feel great to not be able to throw out spells against mobs, but that's not a gamefeel issue, it's a resource issue. If I remember rightly they were planning to add wands that wizards were specifically supposed to be good with as a sort of basic repeatable spell? Of course we don't know how much that's staying the design, if it will be used at all.

But that would probably fix it imo. If wizards were just allowed to use something at zap-level or a little less maybe to clear mobs without being rooted with an awkward MM barrage or forced to melee

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Meanwhile if you're a sorcerer you get the positive gamefeel moment-to-moment of, say, swapping between elemental bolt/spear, the homing fire bolts, wind blast, lighting bolt, or whatever else, and the cool downs force you to flip between them and master a sequence. And there's no issue with the resource because there's obviously cooldowns. And you can move, and doing it right feels good.

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Both sides are better imo in sorcerer.

crude hill
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I like wizard spell management. I think sorcerer is perfect then yes.

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I like resource management in general so in wizard too

meager jasper
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You like managing the resource or that you have to use the right option? Cause I generally like the latter not the former.

crude hill
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But also i don't care how. They could use mana instead of long cooldowns as the limit and i would like it too.

meager jasper
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Do you think wizard would be better if it was cooldown based like sorcerer?

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I don't think they would do that, but it's an interesting idea. They've made it so Sorcerer is that, so it's set in stone. Regenerating mana or spell uses would be interesting.

crude hill
meager jasper
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It's not really the recovery time or the amount of uses you get to me, it's that you have to sit and recover them. Imagine if spells for wizard slowly recovered at the same rate as sitting with no campfire or something. That would still be very restrictive, it wouldn't be usable in a fight more than maybe once - But it would probably feel much better in pve because you could swap between your spells and use them to kill mobs without stopping, sitting etc.

remote whale
crude hill
crude hill
meager jasper
crude hill
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I friend that didn't like Dark and darker already told me to play thank to the Epic Game thing.

rich juniper
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Can we log in to an existing account (e.g. from steam) with epic to transfer the legendary status to an existing account, or does today's givaway only work with new accounts?

crude hill
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Can we have one time consumable spell scrolls for Magic clases for those spells you couldn't equip or to have some backup when you run out of cooldowns or spells? The size of an ancient scrolls thanks.

mighty fulcrum
crude hill
crude hill
crude hill
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Improve monster agro.

dense rampart
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Revert changes to where you load into a new lobby. I do not like that you can load into a dungeon where half of the mobs are killed and looted.

crude hill
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Unban teaming.
Remove matchmaking restrictions.

Finally and more important give me god mode 😉

prime shale
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Give every class +350 hp I want fights that last the whole match plz

smoky garnet
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Make it so that when a boss is killed the instance can no longer be joined after 1 boss has been killed so that once you load into a lobby you can actualy find bosses cause alot are already dead

halcyon meadow
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fix map on dx11 pls

round steppe
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Why can’t we pay to change a characters name yet? Like actually? No one wants to lose the fame they have?

crude hill
celest crescent
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Lets add more support/buffs we can cast onto teammates from sorcerer. Like the skin spell or glaciate spell. It would be cool if we could cast that to a team mate.

hoary cradle
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add singleplayer or a pvp disabled lobby? (separate stash and maybe include a testing mode for dmg and such)

jolly leaf
celest crescent
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A Halo style Oddball multiplayer mode would be cool. Gain control of some legendary item or artifact and hold control of it while being revealed on the map.

zealous otter
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why we waiting 3 days for arena when players leaving? 3 days, today not much difference

jolly leaf
round steppe
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I’m just saying we can pay to change our account name why not our characters names also?

crude hill
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ah you meant that? my fault

shy talon
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Add penalties for taking gear you can't wear when you have teammates that could use it.

round steppe
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Lmao

icy spindle
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duel wielding dagger should allow rogues to have a oarry mechanic

zealous otter
jolly leaf
celest crescent
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Can we lift some limitations on weapons for Sorc and Wizard? I find it odd Sorc can use a falchion or longsword, but not an arming sword. Same with wizard and just the dagger.

calm rose
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Since legendary status is free on epic are yall gonna reimburse the people who paid for it me and my friends would love alot of redstones shards to cash out on drip

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add an option to purchase more shared stashes

crude hill
calm rose
jolly leaf
# crude hill why would they?

I don't get people asking for a refund. Just be happy to see more people on the game. More Legendary mean more stuff sell on the marketplace (more offer so probably lower price), more people in Arena, more people in HR. Anyway the Legendary is only free if you grab it today, it's not like the game was fully free now.

stoic escarp
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People so shamelessly cringe 😂

coral heron
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If you are gonna give away the game for free ar legendary status, give us who paied somthing. What is wrong with these devs, seems like they hate their community

crude hill
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They will give us something. They will improve benefits of legendary status in the future but because they need to make product actually worth the 27€ (in my case) not for some strange logic because they gave it for free.

sleek cloud
coral heron
# crude hill They will give us something. They will improve benefits of legendary status in t...

If you make ppl pay for somthing you then give away from free, you inherently devalue their purchase. If you spent 30$ on somthing, then directly they just started handing it out for free, that in inherently cheating you on the behalf of the ppl who get it for free. Give even just a simple item skin to those who paid, like a unique potion skin, or player card, somthing to value those who supported you early and hard. If that's to much to ask then you and I hold such fundementaly different values their is no more point discussing it. If an indi studie doesn't support those who support them with cash, that is the most surefire way to collapse.

calm rose
spark crest
coral heron
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@calm rose @spark crest I'll take either, I still think the classy thing would be some exclusive bling, but these devs ain't classy, they are rejects from the HD2 balance teem it seems more and more...

calm rose
coral heron
worn island
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Rel, people now regret

spark crest
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crude hill
# coral heron If you make ppl pay for somthing you then give away from free, you inherently de...

You are not devalueting anything by giving it free for limit time in epic. Your legendary status once purchased don't have monetary value. You didn't lose anything. The only time you lost real valué of legendary status is when they gave F2P players benefits of legendary status. Ironmace with this move is losing money, they won't give us free cosmetics so they lose even more. Actually with this move they are giving even more valué to your legendary status by increasing the playerbase.

worthy nymph
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I wish they would remove the kiting option for ranged classes, only to deal the same amount of damage as a melee class when finally caught and then have some get out of jail free card ability where you can't hit them, also why should all caster classes have access to one of the best melee weapons? that's like giving barbarian access to the best ranged weapon for no reason

arctic robin
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It's possible de connect my account to epic game ?

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@waxen iron

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I have the Founders pack

ruby sonnet
inner kraken
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I will say this again. I think there should be an easier way to obtain rarer quality gems by yourself, without buying them or farming bosses. A way a lot of other games do it is with an upgrading system where it consumes lets say 3 of your lower quality gems to create one with a better rarity. It would be easy to implement and would be a QoL change basically

slender bear
slate knoll
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Please ad fsr again

lost pine
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I think IM should swap some of wizard’s and sorcerer spells. Spells like levitation and mud shield are more fitting for the utility focus that IM said wizard was going to be. Spells like fireball and chain lightning are more fitting for the raw elemental damage caster that IM sorcerer said would be. In the current implementation, the classes roles feel opposite to what was initially said by IM months ago

jolly leaf
ruby sonnet
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It does feel like it is the other way around 🤔

coral heron
coral heron
# jolly leaf I don't get people asking for a refund. Just be happy to see more people on the ...

It is about them respecting those who supported them. I don't want a refund, I just think some small token of appreciation for those who pay is not to much to ask. I'm happy to Pay for the game, I buy the new seasonal bling to keep up my support, I know they need it. It just feels disrespectful to give away for free what others paid for without giving those who paid some sort of acnolagement.

slender bear
crude hill
lament lotus
icy knot
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So are devs listening to what people are writing here? Are they playing their own game or just want money from players?

languid pebble
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Patch from this morning literally didnt fix any of the issues it claims to. Just escaped after killing Kight, full inventory of loot from pile, game gets locked up taking red. Get DC'd, lose all loot, and get leave early temp ban from loading in. all at once. and then can't force close app, and have to full restart pc. only to get hung launch like the patch from this morning describes to have fixed. LMAO

wide badge
languid pebble
icy knot
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increase magic penetration for staffs

leaden galleon
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nerf sorcerers tp ability shit does too much dmg i have 130hp 50% mdr and if does 1/3 of my hp

ashen canyon
hoary pike
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Copium

worthy nymph
# hoary pike Copium

Maybe it is, but I can't think of many other games where ranged classes are almost as strong as melee classes in melee, while also being deadly at range and being able to outrun melee classes(aka endless kiting) It seems to me, that it heavily favors ranged classes, even if you are "good" at melee. Since you don't lose the melee dmg or weapons from picking a ranged class, so almost no downside. Whereas if you pick melee, you can't do anything close to the damage of ranged classes with the limited ranged abilities you get

deep laurel
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It would be cool if there was a spell like mud shield that was a channeling shield for Warlocks. It would look pretty sweet with an orb and falchion

lucid aurora
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I just saw the darkest hour and they said monk is gonna be an easy class. I’m going to cry I am waiting for monk so much but I need it to be skillful , we already have barb, fighter that don’t need skill in melee, monk could be THE class which need skill in melee !! You can see the dungeons and dragons rulebook but it has reflect attack, great mobitlity and a lot more. You could have fighting stances you could have so much 😭😭

PS : When subclasses will be implemented I need warrior of the element monk (d&d), I need to play avatar please 😭

@keen onyx @dawn grotto @austere wraith @IRONMACE

mint ledge
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diamonds for jewel socketing are currently considered useless because of the upgrades they provide. Why not make it so that you can put all attributes in jewel socketing, but only if you have multiple gems as a cost.

jolly leaf
elfin hemlock
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please give wizards more utility spells so they are more than just damage, they're so boring to play now that sorcerer is out and it feels like wizards haven't had any attention in ever since release besides rebalancing and two spells

timber yoke
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where can i report a bug at?

elfin hemlock
remote nest
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Hello, I watched the Darkest Hours stream and they talked about reintroducing the circle.!! (maybe)!!! If that should happen, I have a suggestion. I would like it if it wasn't there from the start. Instead, the players could start the circle themselves in a special room. And they need special items for that. My idea would be to give the bosses of Ruins and Crypt a heart that you can loot. But these hearts have to be fresh for the sacrifice. So you can't take them out with you. They have to be from this round. And you have to sacrifice them in the room, but you need one from Ruins and one from Crypt. And that would start the circle. And so that all players know that the circle is starting, there is an earthquake like in Goblins, as if the Crypt has come to life because of the sacrifice.! (why should players do that) to maybe open a special room that has something special in it, e.g. another special item that you can use in the third map... or just good loot etc...
sorry for my bad English, I hope this was the right room where I could post this 😄 ❤️

onyx pivot
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be able to see your fps in game

abstract bone
onyx pivot
abstract bone
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shrugeuse steam

onyx pivot
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no

fervent python
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anyone got collectors guild discord im tryna see how much my pants worth

onyx pivot
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add back regular interaction speed to lyre

gaunt bane
# lament lotus You do have a token of appreciation, its called having legendary status up to th...

That's not a "token of appreciation" that's something he paid for. If I were to charge you and everyone else $30 for an apple and then the next day give em away for free to everyone else wouldn't you feel gyped? All he's saying is that moraly it's wrong, and that they should give something to the people who paid for it, otherwise we didn't really pay for anything, we just threw our money at them for "benefits" that were gonna be given out for free without our knowledge

polar dome
torn night
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I hope there will be some sort of a kraken boss on the underwater map

lilac garden
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its crazy that we don't have a sorting system for the stash yet and no search bar either

languid pebble
icy knot
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Its crazy that everyone is playing barb, rogue, panther in solos. I wonder why this

languid pebble
lilac garden
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invisibility should have a distance where it cancels if someone gets up close like 1-2m

somber elk
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i got suggestion remove the game

ashen canyon
# gaunt bane That's not a "token of appreciation" that's something he paid for. If I were to ...

I mean to be honest these things happen all the time. You don't have any idea how many games go on for free deals after someone buys them. All you can say is tough. It may not even have been Ironmace's Idea, it could have been Epic you don't know and your if you bought an apple yesterday and then today it was free, no I wouldn't feel gypped, I'd go get a free apple, which is something you could have done. Different platform and all. It isn't something you should be upset about because if anything it brings more people to the game, which means two things. More Timmies to loot, and more dungeon population. I don't see this as a bad thing and I bought the game back in June.

gaunt bane
ruby sonnet
lament grail
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remove goblin merchant from the game, it will be more fun to lose your sh.t no matter how if you die.

ruby sonnet
spark crest
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all old class feel outdated compare sorcerer and druid design. old classes overhaul when

torn goblet
barren grove
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can we get a stash autosort because this stash UI is worse than tarkov by a mile

pure tide
abstract bone
pure tide
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i have to reselect my emotes every time they wipe

abstract bone
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both we're still the same way i had em last season when i started this season. exact skin and emotes.

pure tide
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they didn't wipe the purchases, just the configuration of the wheel and what skins you have equipped
i bought the game on the ironmace launcher and migrated over to steam using the code system they used to have, maybe that has something to do with it

abstract bone
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Yeah. my emote wheel never got reset. It remained the same. been on steam since i picked it up.

barren grove
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i have a suggestion. fix the glitchy audio in raid please

abstract bone
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Sick christmas gift ironmace rolled back all of my playtime yesterday.

remote whale
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Add a mode where it's content that you don't know if community likes to gauge engagement, essentially throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks

torn goblet
remote whale
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Flail for cleric

crude hill
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It is the same players who complained about expressman losing items.

muted hare
remote whale
sleek cloud
jolly leaf
# sleek cloud Exactly, the same ones who are crying over their lost items yesterday, at the be...

Yeah and it's like 1 or 2 day of progress anyway. Season last 3 month you have plenty of time. But I think the Expressman and Goblin merchant are good feature for those who can't play a lot. Maybe too powerful how they are/was tho. The goblin could only bring a few item picked randomly or that you need to "assure" for a few gold before the game. Expressman should be a NPC that roam the dungeon, hide in a module or wait near ONE of all the exit. You need to find him to secure your stuff

sleek cloud
jolly leaf
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I have plenty of idea that most of the time people find interesting but they only listen to people crying in general chat

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Make a Forge module, you can bring gear and gem there to do the same thing that the Socketing merchant except there it's free and you can get the max roll. Add a "Map" consumable that you find on the Skeleton corpse (not the mob the lootable skel on the ground), they reveal a part of the map, a important module (boss, hoard, gold key room etc) or the path to one module with an exit. (Like you find the map a dead adventurer started to make)

lilac garden
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lock the doors in high roller bossfights crypts + inferno, fits the fantasy of entering a high difficulty fight without escaping until the boss dies and you don't get interrupted by all the griefers while trying to kill the boss

boreal parrot
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To everyone who has black map problem, remove -dx11 launch option

ancient ferry
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Make skelly champ drop key to go down 100% drop. Champ only spawns if u clear the module he spawns in. Would increase time to go dowb

upbeat bone
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New map theme and boss:
Underwater themed, boss could be a Kraken and the first phase is fighting tentacles coming out of the ground, could use seaweed covered skeletons and mermaids as other mobs in the arena

ripe parcel
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Bring back the expressmen, it was glitchy but man it felt way better when i could depo some stuff between floors. even if it costed me some money to get it out.

peak wren
torn goblet
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game has a real bad problem around bossing rn this shit is aids

valid glacier
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@willow barn why did u ban me for no reason?

rain rune
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remove insta exits

torn night
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Ban teaming up against bosses in solos

rain zenith
upbeat bone
iron forge
south forum
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Wyvern was made to team on wasn’t it? thought teaming for bosses with in game random players was ok just not teaming to kill/run down players was a ban.

solid geyser
iron forge
solid geyser
pure summit
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First floor bosses need to be easier IMO, nobody is doing them unless you have time to run it naked 100 times:

Nerf Banshee:

  • shorten gas ball phase,
  • slow ghosts so you can actually collect them,
  • Make it easier for teams to get all 8 stacks for scream somehow (usually one 1 person can get enough)
  • Make it so you can still hear mechanics for final scream with high stacks of ghosts, instead of having to fight with almost no sound and getting 1 tapped by missles or charge...

Nerf Spectral Knight:

  • Slow attack combos by a little bit. (some animations chain very fast and are hard to recognize unless you're very eye-trained from many perspectives.)
  • Fix low slash so it doesn't hit your feet when you jump as he slides forwards.
  • Fix high slash so it doesn't headshot you when you crouch (I believe it's slightly tilted downwards or just too punishing.)
  • Lower the middle raised platform to be flat with the rest of the field, because it makes top slash hit when crouched.
  • Fix Jump Slam to be slower and more counter-able. (if stuck in an attack animation, you're just boned)
  • Fix Ultimate slashes so crouch to Jump version is more doable (Too small of a time window to un-crouch and jump consistently.) — Often times you'll uncrouch and get headshot on a wide blade hitbox, or the time it takes to uncrouch into jump ends up hitting the feet. — This mechanic is either blocked with a shield or cheesed on the walls for this reason.

Buff Double boss treasure room:

  • The loot sucks
  • Add an inferno-level pile so there's a point to try for double boss.
  • Guarantee a legendary or above on a pedestal.

For boss rooms:

  • Add resurrection tables to the treasure rooms.
onyx pivot
pure summit
# onyx pivot spectral knight is very easy and doable on any naked class

Depends what you mean by "easy", easy to a person who can put in 100 hours a week? Maybe, but it took around 200 runs each between my buddy and I before we were confident enough to put gear on the line on HR. I'm sure some can become good at it before that point, but I believe that's the average... That's just simply not accessible to the vast majority of players.

onyx pivot
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it too me 10 runs from when the boss came out to kill it

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and hr is exactly the same as norms

pure summit
onyx pivot
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no im not

pure summit
# onyx pivot no im not

I mean, even Repoze spent way more than that to be able to do it, Jay, just about anybody I watched was way more than that, plus off-stream time. First 10 runs, you basically instantly die within the first 3 moves, so it's not even practice

Plus, I mean completely solo, not with 10 people in the lobby killing it, which was the first week — And killing it shouldnt' be the goal, it should be 95%+ proficiency so that you can do it nearly every time... Being able to do it once in a few tries is not nearly enough to make it a viable way to play on HR

onyx pivot
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if any thing spectral needs a small buff and banshee a nerf

woven marsh
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Adventure mode idea. Either 3-4 teams of 4 or PvE-only teams of 4. Start in Ruins, kill Spectral or Banshee to open passage to Crypts. In crypts, kill Lich to open passage to Inferno. Kill GK to open passage to HR Goblin Caves. Kill troll and Cyclops to open passage to HR Ice Caverns where a new version of Warlord would open access to HR Ice Abyss. Randomized map layouts, Expressman available after every other transition.

crude hill
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Bosses killable in 1v1 should be an exception, most bosses should require various players and be nearly impossible for solos.

hazy walrus
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Banshee is terrible design wise, the stupid chip damage scream phases should not exist

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Ghosts for banshee need to never leave ground level height and the stacks need to dissipate way slower

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Spectral is fine as is IMO, its a reaction time/pattern recognition test

lilac garden
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please rework the slayer fighter.. in solos its a joke, especially when bard has 27% action speed on every weapon just by playing two songs that last him 4 minutes

worthy nymph
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can we not have druids in bear form outperform pure melee classes like barb, fighter and rogue?

lilac garden
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barbarians shouldn't have shield and iron will, keep one remove the other

abstract bone
worthy nymph
abstract bone
worthy nymph
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bear being able to 3 hit barb and do knockback on every hit, plus if you get hit once, turn into rat, yeah I must be bad that I can't counter that as barb

abstract bone
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you have a perk to directly counter knockback but kk.

wise walrus
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Add a resourcesful hat please.

magic depot
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MMO style MINING and BLACKSMITH skills. Hit nodes or craft weapons to raise skill. Better mining means more from nodes, better blacksmith means better crafts Salute

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gritty token
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Please fix the green magic protection potion recipe it currently is not craftable due to there not being common quality magic protection pots

silk schooner
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Petition to keep arena gear buyable from market

glossy pike
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put gearscore on the items

half pewter
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more damage for short sword? right now it has dmg of dagger

naive thicket
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Suggestion: Please revert the audio for non-Sorceror spell casters. It's very off putting hearing a spell in only 1 ear constantly

noble tide
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Hot Topic: Make Second Wind a Passive. This would allow more interesting builds with Fighter.

lethal forge
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Hey guys, is the gear still need to be drop to not being lost in arena? pls

merry kestrel
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they should combine defense mastery and projectile resistance

then give fighters a 2Hander perk that gives fighters +10% AS while using a 2 handed weapon (Similar to dual wield, but a separate perk to keep the weapon specialization theme)

Then they should remove Weapon Mastery and just give fighters the weapons that they want them to use with it (like rapier, recurve bow, bardiche, etc), and replace Weapon Mastery with a +% Slow-on-Hit perk

and also fix combo attack so it either immediately triggers or stacks with itself up to twice or something.

limber elbow
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turn the map into dark and all map room layout is random is much more better for this game , stop some player want to rush object

neon inlet
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High Roller parties can no longer be formed with duplicate classes. (Does not apply to random matchmaking.) Bullshit guys BULLSHIT

granite plinth
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Give blue stairs infinite uses again, there was essentially no reason to change this

main anchor
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What about adding new gloves, with base résistance and instead of stats like knowledge ext a sort of magic damage that is used only when your using your hand ( like the sorcerer) it’s sad he doesn’t really have a weapon for him, gloves that had flat dmg would be great for the scaling on him for the spells with not big base dmg !

icy knot
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@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto W patch! btw infinite invis rogue is still in the game. Do you plan on reverting this change, increase hide's cooldown or give "ambush" some cooldown?

granite plinth
mystic yoke
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Why not just make staircases and portals like the drawbridge??? You have to spend some time opening them, allowing a third party if you do it at the wrong time, but your whole team should be able to leave at once. Then they can just close again after 30 seconds to allow someone else to use it, but still have to spend the time opening it

mellow crown
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While players can always enter lobbies, it makes no sense for the ladder to be disposable.

ripe turtle
winter hearth
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i think the boss areas should lock everyone inside the room and out until it is dead

ripe turtle
winter hearth
ripe turtle
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Yes, but sometimes you don't have enough time to do that. In matches you gotta pay attention where you're going since time is limited and with the new matchmaking the timer might be even lower.

remote blaze
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Sorcerer and wizard should have slightly overlapping spell pools. Give most if not all of the sorcerers base spells to Wizard. And give the elemental spells from the wizards pool to sorcerer. I don't think this would make the classes to similar. The sorcerer would still have access to the combined spells and wizard would still have all the utility spells. Not to mention their magic systems work differently from eachother.

dry vault
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just fucking delete cleric already - you clearly arent going to address BARB or what makes buff ball a problem - so fucking delete it.

carmine mica
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Would be nice if the blue staircases continued to be more than single useage. Perhaps add a mechanicsm that one of the party has to pull or interact with for awhile to open the gateways giving people time to intercept a group. Either make it one time open for the full party, or repeatedly open and then once ANY 3 players have gone through the stairs collapse. My group really and I really dislike the escape mechanic currently since it heavily pushes you to betray team-mates to escape succesfully.

oak zodiac
left zenith
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The usage limit of all blue escape stairs has been changed to one per stair.
The time required to turn the lever to fully open the drawbridge in Ruins has been reduced.
Some Pedestal Portals have been removed from Inferno. Never forget people, just what they have taken from us today.

crude hill
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Another matchmaking restriction. Cool thx

WYSIWYG i guess 😉

limber mist
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I hate scrolling through all my characters to see if something sold on the market place, I think a nice QoL would be if they made it so that yellow exclamation point showed up on the character selection screen. @dawn grotto @keen onyx Please it’s such a small change but would help so much

merry kestrel
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let slayer apply to 2 handed weapons

they should combine defense mastery and projectile resistance

then give fighters a 2Hander perk that gives fighters +10% AS while using a 2 handed weapon (Similar to dual wield, but a separate perk to keep the weapon specialization theme)

Then they should remove Weapon Mastery and just give fighters the weapons that they want them to use with it (like rapier, recurve bow, bardiche, etc), and replace Weapon Mastery with a +% Slow-on-Hit perk

and also fix combo attack so it either immediately triggers or stacks with itself up to twice or something.

spring thorn
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I wish we could "lock" items to prevent accidentally selling them.
Related suggestion: locked items can only be brought into Arena, so that we can't lose them if we accidentally queue for High Roller instead of Arena (especially since the queue is now usually too fast to cancel).

This is especially important when we're not able to just buy new Arena gear on the market. Imagine the frustration of losing your entire BIS arena kit that you found/crafted and enchanted, with no way to replace any of it through the market.
@dawn grotto I beg you

icy knot
limber mist
spring thorn
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For Arena, items found/crafted by different characters on the same account should be protected as well.
If my Druid finds a good Legendary item for my Ranger (or whatever), why shouldn't I be allowed to safely bring that item into the Arena?

ripe turtle
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What do you guys think about cursed items in Dark and Darker?

icy knot
ripe turtle
icy knot
ruby kestrel
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let me search the marketplace by who minted the item so i can see if any of the items i minted and sold or died with are back in circulation possibly for arenas

velvet nacelle
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so as a free to play player, i cant have a gear score over 124 and even play the game? how am i even supposed to use my good gear?

spring thorn
velvet nacelle
sour trail
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id like to see them try premade kits for Arena, we get no reward why should there be a risk? (assuming they mean we lose kits and not the things we looted in arena, its worded weird)

velvet nacelle
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i suggest they have a place where i can use good gear other than only highroller thats behind a pay wall

quick spindle
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Is there any way to make Mana Fold behave as it should? It's supposed to reduce spell cooldowns by 25% but doesn't work properly when also equipped with Time Distortion.

next pond
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300 fame cleric main push resurrection to be buffed please

marble nova
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Buff Holy Water

icy knot
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warlock's weaknes does not reduce physical damage reduction?

next pond
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Instead of reducing spell count on cleric or any class reduce its curvature in high tier gameplay. Norms and hr are not the same.

valid rivet
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DO NOT LOSE ARROWS ON ARENA LOSS. COME ON IM

next pond
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Suggestion to add spectator mode in arenas I want to see #1 of each classes in battle

valid loom
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I think you forgot to update the warlock curse of weakness spell tooltip

worthy nymph
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My suggestion is: more quests please

grim cedar
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Update curse of weakness like your patch notes actually stated. Doesn’t have the -15% mdr and pdr reductions

daring trail
worthy nymph
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Please make it so my Flanged Mace(rarity common) can be used for Sterling Rod ❤️

proven gull
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Have yet to use this chat before, but I feel obliged to at this time..
Only about 3 (or rather 2.5) of all the changes in this patch seem to be in-touch.. the '.5' being the panther: Yes, panther needed nerf, but only because of the recent buff to its damage; it already took enough damage - it just did too much after the last buff. Now, it deals too much dmg and takes too much.. just revert or lessen the buff instead of trying to balance it with a whole separate & excessive nerf.. you don't right a wrong by turning it into 2 wrongs.. don't overthink it, guys.

For the other two: Barb did need a nerf.. Cleric heals did need a nerf, & locust swarm spell on Cleric did need a buff. If I recall, all of the other changes & balancing seemed pretty out of touch.
Especially just after an unannounced rollback, I feel it was really important for this patch to not be mostly out of touch, and I'm concerned about the player-base's reaction. I think this is a very crucial time to think on/test changes & balancing more thoroughly before implementing them.

-A concerned fan of the game with nearly 1k hrs who wants nothing but to see it grow/do well and become the best it can be. Salute

lament lotus
edgy sand
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Cleric is a joke

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Why cleric is able to kill barbarians and fighters in even trade 1v1s is beyond me

meager jasper
# proven gull Have yet to use this chat before, but I feel obliged to at this time.. Only abo...

I do not think the panther needed a nerf at all. From what I can tell the however you cut it the panther was just really good at killing backliners, and 150hp and mediocre pdr when in the very best of gear is really not impressive. They're not a threat to barbs, they're not a threat to fighters. They could not compare to dedicated melee classes - not even rogue when properly kitted because rogue has some of the best item-based scaling in the game. And yet mages and rangers get killed by panthers and assume that the reason they died is anything other than how the class is supposed to perform. That is literally its role, and it was never any good at anything else.

Tbh people just have this weird idea that because a panther looks different it must be op when it kills you.

Now panther is outright dead unless they revert this. I don't think it needed nerfed at all, but this situation is actively the end of the archetype unless they get their head out their asses and soften the blow by a huge amount. I don't even know why they're targetting pdr when they can increase the hp negative. Stacking negative armor and hp is multiplicatively bad. Why did they not simply slightly increase the hp negative back to where it was again if they thought the current value was too much? 40% is an insane negative, nearly double damage.

jolly leaf
meager jasper
solemn crypt
jolly leaf
# meager jasper Steam has systems to make something a demo. That's not what DaD is. Defend the m...

They couldn't do it in the past due ti the fact that Steam only gave them like a week to prepare the Steam release and anyway I think this system is good. And this us litteraly the first thing in the description of the game on Steam :
"Free to Play Version!
The free version of Dark and Darker allows players to create one character and play Normal mode on all maps, complete quests, and build a stash of loot! Players who enjoy their time with the free version and want to experience everything the game has to offer can upgrade to the full version for 15 Redstone shards (equivalent to $30.00). The full version of the game includes access to the High-Roller mode, where players can equip their hard-earned gear to take on even more dangerous dungeons and increase the stakes. Players will also gain full access to the marketplace where they can trade with other adventurers, 9 total character slots, and the Shared Stash!

We hope that this version will give players a chance to experience some of what Dark and Darker has to offer and to give players who have not played since the playtests a chance to see what's new before they dive into the full edition."

It is a Demo and they always said it was there to let people try the game before they buy it

meager jasper
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Mental. Gymnastics.

next pond
# proven gull Have yet to use this chat before, but I feel obliged to at this time.. Only abo...

Clerics 3 lesser heals i am okay with. 1 sanc i have no understanding why. People are complaining constant reset but the only way that can happen is high tier mag heal or MPB change the curvature because Norms vs High roller gear are two completly different fights. The only other support healrr is druid. One restore casted on the floor is 3 for the entire team Druid gets 3 of those and they can be combo for bigger heals 😡 its basically lesser heal but stronger. And dont need to be casted on the player. Druid mending grove has 2 its basically cleric sanc but druid can still box with their team and move around. Unlike clerics we are forced to sit in the open until we are distrub. Like A FIREBALL!/ or pushed. Cleric now have 1 druid have 2 mending grove. Besides that the starting stats for cleric vs druid druid always wins. Bear form. Evade. Can end the fight on its own terms. Cleric stats are nerf to the ground and we have no way of soloing. Druid entangle is also better then clerics bind.

proven gull
# meager jasper I do not think the panther needed a nerf at all. From what I can tell the howeve...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm speaking from actual experience with fighting panthers when I say the dmg buff was excessive. Not based on how the panther looks?
The main example by which I formed this opinion was when I was playing arena as wizard, with 150 hp and ~ 38% pdr, and in the time it takes me to almost finish a spell cast at 70% spell casting spd, a druid can fly across the entire module and kill me in 3 attacks to the body which take about 2 seconds flat to land before I can barely finish the crystal sword pull-out animation much less get a single swing off. If they didn't have massively superior speed/mobility on every other class (not to mention a silence ability), I might be inclined to agree with your take.. but druid can fly across the entire module in barely 2 seconds, and land 3 body shots for 50 + dmg each in ~ 2 seconds thru almost 40% pdr... That is a bit excessive in my opinion, but to each their own.

meager jasper
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You obviously know this, because you refer to being too slow to even pull out your weapon - that means you were essentially ambushed. And straight class comparisons at that point are irrelevant, you already lost.

jolly leaf
meager jasper
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Druid has alternative mobility options. They can still panther jump, which is still good. They can still rat-form and be extremely hard to hit with projectiles. But exploitative jumping fly mechanics should not be in the game. Especially not in a situation where you'd rather ruin the class than not remove it.

remote whale
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Buff druids bark skin spell

proven gull
# meager jasper That is how it feels to be stabbed rapidly by a rogue, in full bis, yes. The pro...

Yeah exactly, I'm just saying at least one or the other needs to be addressed, and that they're addressing the wrong aspects as they often do, regardless. I've been a massive proponent as any for the mobility nerf, above all else, but clearly they don't want to do that, so I'm just saying they shouldn't be doing massive/rapid damage as well, not necessarily that the dmg specifically is inherently the problem. And again, not to mention the silence ability on top of it all.

jolly leaf
meager jasper
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This isn't a difficult fix, they just don't have to let the momentum transfer through a shapeshift.

jolly leaf
meager jasper
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You're crying about an irrelevant mechanic, this isn't what we're discussing. And It's also the most fun mechanic of druid, and I will absolutely oppose any nerf to being able to at-will transform.

It sounds like you're just trying to sneak in another nerf, tbh, to something completely different.

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Being able to move between bear and panther requires risky reflexive play. Same from going between rat and so on. Removing that is removing the classes' basic skill expression. You'd know this if you played it.

remote whale
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Spider form for druid

jolly leaf
meager jasper
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That's a huge, gargantuan nerf, if you add a forced cd to shapeshifting.

remote whale
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Add a perk that allows druid to shapeshift into lesser forms of enemies slain for limited time

meager jasper
remote whale
pseudo stratus
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please for the love of god, ssf arena NEEDS gearbased mm.

torn goblet
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lets go ahead and put the blues back to infinite. unjustifiable change

proven gull
jolly leaf
hollow wave
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I suggest everyone give me their Blue shards

jaunty iron
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MARKETPLACE SUGGESTION:
Maybe [shift+click] or something, but imagine being able to quickly search the market for the item you're about to list.
I realize now, they are two separate screens, or tabs (View Market and My Listings) so, maybe [shift + click] copies the item name, and you can go over to Market and paste it into search? Or, maybe even easier- it just switches to the search from the My Listings tab?
Idk.. but something would be nice... a nice little QoL change, is all.

valid loom
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match time limit needs to be increased to 20 min if your going to have us spawn in late, literally went to ruins, spawned in 8 min left, then crypts 8 min left, then hell 8 min left. How am I supposed to get anything done in that time

rancid wraith
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What is the best stats to stack on ranger currently, also what bow is best. I'm new coming back and wanted to play ranger some but don't know the current state of them

proven gull
# next pond Clerics 3 lesser heals i am okay with. 1 sanc i have no understanding why. Peopl...

Yeah, my thinking that cleric heals needed nerfs definitely does not mean I think that druid heals aren't also a bit excessive. As usual, I think they nerfed the wrong aspect of the heals. How about healing amount/speed instead of spell charge amount. That's what I had in mind as I awaited the nerf for a while now, and then of course they find the more annoying/roundabout way to do it that I hadn't even considered.

lost pine
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They should make all classes have spell cooldowns and completely do away with spell charges. Having to sit down is not engaging or fun in any sort of way. This would also solve the issues that cleric has with the speed of the classes heals, as instead of being able to burst heal 7 times now, the heals would be staggered with cooldowns.

daring trail
# meager jasper That is how it feels to be stabbed rapidly by a rogue, in full bis, yes. The pro...

unfortunately the devs have already said the chicken-jump-tech was intended, therefore other parts should be nerfed. their mobility is too insane to be tanky and do insane damage, not to mention they can heal to full once they freely reset due to their shapeshift/movement
they took away the tankyness, which i think was the wrong nerf honestly, but its something that was needed. i think they should give them that 40% pdr back but take away some damage since they are standing on the mobility of the class

granite plinth
wild tree
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DUDE

hoary cradle
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add a pvp disabled lobby? (separate stash and maybe include a testing mode for dmg and such)

jaunty iron
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You know what sucks? All the exits are closed because there's now effectively more people coming into each dungeon. I guess I just die this round, 6 exits were closed.

More shit these devs would have figured out if they actually tested anything before implementing it.
suggest that there be more consideration when making changes*

lean whale
merry kestrel
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fix hitbox stuffing, when you literally can't damage someone with certain weapons if they get directly into your face

jolly leaf
# valid loom match time limit needs to be increased to 20 min if your going to have us spawn ...

Hopefully they're not doing that, especially after reducing the amount of exit, longer game would mean even less exit. The real field or action they have is reducing the time limite of people joining a game to 3-4 min max after the beginning of the game and probably reduce the max number of team per floor by 1. They said a couple of time that this two point where the main thing to change to tune Continuous settings, I hope they're going to do it soon because this hotfix reducing the amount of exit make no sense right now

valid loom
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if theres more time in a match you have more time to find an exit

jolly leaf
valid loom
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that changes nothing

jolly leaf
# valid loom that changes nothing

If they keep the joining time limit to 8 min and don't stick to half the game then yes, it's stay the same than now, except now you can play 5 more min before not finding an opened exit. I can already imagine the people joining game just to rush an exit and ruin other people game.

karmic meadow
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Feature Suggestion: Gem Merging System

What is it?
A Gem Merging System that would allow players to combine multiple lower-rarity gems into a higher-rarity gem. This provides players with a meaningful use for low-tier gems and adds a strategic layer to gem management.

Upgrade Chart Example:
To upgrade, players would combine gems of the same type and rarity. For example:
• 6 Common Rubies → 1 Uncommon Ruby
• 5 Uncommon Rubies → 1 Rare Ruby
• 4 Rare Rubies → 1 Epic Ruby
• 3 Epic Rubies → 1 Legendary Ruby

This merging system would ensure a balanced progression curve whilst encouraging players to collect and utilise lower-tier gems.

How it could be implemented:
1. Through the Fortune Teller Merchant:
• A new tab could be added under the existing Fortune Teller where players can select gems for merging, or the service tab.
2. Introducing a New Merchant:
• A specific merchant could be introduced to handle gem upgrades exclusively,

Why should this feature be implemented?

• Supports New Gem Socketing system: With the recent introduction of gem socketing, this system complements the update by giving players a clear pathway to acquire higher-tier gems.
• Enhanced Gem Value: Currently, common and uncommon gems are underutilised, as socketing them in low-quality gear is not worthwhile. Majority of players sell them off to the collector, reducing their potential value in the game.
• Improved Player Engagement: The gem merging feature would encourage players to collect and manage gems strategically, adding depth to the game and an actual reason to collect gems and not sell it off to the collector.
• Reduces RNG Frustration: Instead of relying solely on luck to obtain rare gems, players could actively work toward upgrading their lower-tier gems.

jaunty iron
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^ I like it

lilac garden
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why does bard gets a shield and not ranger? come on

slow arch
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THE limitede portals for contunes duengon dosent work revert

slow arch
next pond
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I wish for a community poll system if a certain percentage pass example 75 to 80% player base then the changes happen. If not then it doesn't go through. At least let us have a voice

icy knot
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@full tulip @dawn grotto Wouldn't it be cool if you could sit down while being invisible? It would add another reason to bring invisibility potions to the dungeon, allowing you to rest safely.

On the other hand, some people complain about those potions, arguing they shouldn't be in the game, because it gives the player free rogue ambush.

lilac garden
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Should just make it so that the gate is closed on an escape, and you can interact with a lever for 5ish seconds, which opens the gate for 10 seconds or so. And it stays infinite but you have to interact with it before it opens again

icy knot
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@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto Nicholas brings in new items to the game: Candy Canes and Gingerbread Cookies, how about making possible to consume them, healing a player? giving him some kind of short 12 second buff? or maybe 20 luck for the rest of the game?

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@full tulip @dawn grotto Many people I talk to, hate the fact that Gold Coin Pouch can store only 200 gold, requiring 2 stash slots and making it not worth crafting. How about increasing its capacity to 300 gold?

meager jasper
meager jasper
# daring trail unfortunately the devs have already said the chicken-jump-tech was intended, the...

The dev's opinion has, at times, been obviously wrong, and they have rescinded it. Now is one of those times where they should be listening and realizing this whole situation has come out of their chicken jump tech. Just saying 'they said it, so this is how it should be' doesn't cut it when it's just bad game design. Removing their dps would not be good either, because panther is strictly a dps class. There's no way to target the core stats of the class other than movement that fixes how good they are strictly due to their mobility. The issue is only the mobility and only because of a clear exploit that makes no rational sense and feels gamey as hell.

glacial sphinx
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I don't like continuous dungeon in general, and I think it should be removed because it ruins the feeling of a continuous experience in a lobby, where what you do in one floor matters on the next floor.

But if that's not an option then player refill should stop 5 minutes into a map. Reds and blues should open 8 minutes into a map. Expressman should make a return. We've lost the feeling of progressing down slowly, and it's made lower floors less special.

meager jasper
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There are no situations where you should be able to spawn into empty dungeons, with exits seemingly all taken, as I just did. I completely agree it should be removed.

Beyond that, refilling the bottom-layer maps is simply not as desirable as they thought it was imo. They're better emptier so there is less constant competition over bossing. And better when they were more to do with the challenge of the PvE side of the game than the PvP.

weak grotto
icy knot
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@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto Almost all Warlock spells are in a great place now, but there's still one that feels underwhelming and often goes unused: "Bloodstained Blade". When I played with friends, they hated the health loss with each attack, which often caused our team to lose many fights. The other thing is that Cleric has a similar spell but without drawbacks, making theirs much better.

Suggestions:

  • I propose playing around with numbers as a lazy buff for this spell.
  • But there is also idea of a warlock community, how about changing it a bit: when a player hits a target with a weapon, they regain the health lost during the initial swing plus a small bonus (+1 health).

What do you think about these adjustments?

naive thicket
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Once again asking for IM to make non-Sorcerer audio mono again Salute 🙏

glossy aurora
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PLS make arena gear minted for every character on your account. Its super duper frustrating to find BIS on the wrong character. Im totally fine with changing it to only minted after me i baught a 200k worth of times for my arena set and farming for days for it but ffs cant even play the good minted items i found on another char

lusty scroll
torn goblet
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brother ur out of touch. i meant extracts when i said blue not bluestone shards

slow arch
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2 spell wheel druid with more spells when?

torn goblet
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even though multiple people knew what i was talking about and this was yesterday, you're still talking about it for some reason and somehow i'm the weirdo lmao

gleaming gust
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Can't block bear can't hit bear in melee range hitbox is fundamentally broken and it's been in the game the entire time devs actually genuinely do not play the game they're creating it's soooooo embarassing

icy knot
stoic cloak
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fix blocking please

smoky sparrow
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@dawn grotto I believe a good addition to the game would be an option to switch between two inventories, one for high roller kits fundamentally. Could also give newer players a tiny bit of extra space to mess around with once they reach level 20? Meaning character inventory not more stash space.

latent fox
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Please fix the parry window on the lantern shield. It's to quick. Compared to the longsword you have no time at all to parry with the lantern shield. Not sure but everytime I block with the shield I end up putting my block up again instead of landing repostes

icy knot
icy knot
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@full tulip @dawn grotto Why new players get into a dungeon with +3k hours players? A new player will never tolerate the game if he always gets matched with ppl with 3k+ hours on the game when he suffers to even not die to pve. You(IM) added continuous dungeon system you could now try to seperate players based on experience(hours played?) and dungeons should still be full.

hoary cradle
ruby sonnet
hollow flame
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Don't have continuous dungeon for goblin caves

hazy walrus
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Literally get all of the dungeons randomized, focus on nothing else

solemn crypt
wheat sage
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Guys, with the new update about the arena, we can lost our itens that we bought in the trade or not ?

ashen canyon
gleaming gust
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Months and months and bear form still has a messed up hitbox that can't be interacted with properly. Directly on top of the bear can't hit it druid just has to look a little to the right and he's untargetable it's insane

hoary pike
hoary pike
ashen canyon
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I mean its a powerful buff, And to be fair that's what warlock is, juggle spell durations for the win.

karmic imp
lilac garden
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change longsword from just being a bad shield into a real weapon that can actually be used in a fight

distant tinsel
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Why is teaming not being punished? I see the same players over and over again. They are clearly queuing up together

icy knot
ruby sonnet
potent kiln
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hey guys are there gear score brackets in arena? if no they should add some

slow gulch
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items average selling price

this game needs an indicator for item avg. selling prices
because going with prices people put on the market is a big mistake
because at some point all the market will be over priced and you see that so you list it slightly below them to fast sell but the thing is you are still overpriced and all the buyers wont buy and waiting for it to come back to normal
but there is no communication in the first place between the seller and the buyer and that is a mistake that if fixed the whole market issue will be solved and everyone will come out satisified
even that item avg selling price can be also displayed for the buyers so there is a common ground both of us can be our method of communication

If you agree on the idea even if it can be somehow edited and refined you can Upvote here:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/603275/items-average-selling-price

slow gulch
ripe turtle
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What do you guys think about having better stats with higher price in socketing system excluding certain stats like true damage? For example normally you have option for action speed range of 1.2% to 1.8%. With double the price you would have a stat range of 1.2% to 2.2%.

icy knot
kind dome
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Avoid as teammate option. Had a 5year old in arena for 5 matches in a row that did a total of 53 damage overt the course of 5 games. I don't even want to play arena anymore cause it tanked my elo

jaunty iron
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wow its a good thing I got decent enough to be able to hold my own in PvP.. because with this stupid continuous dungeon bullshit, I'm getting 1 or 2 kills a match, and then being unable to do anything else but leave. Such a great change from when I first started playing, last wipe, where I entered a dungeon with a goal: Quest, PvP, or just have fun, and wouldn't know what to expect.
Not now though! Thanks to SDF's vision, I'm forced to PvP no matter what. (either the game starts and the whole dungeon is looted already, or its brand new, and that just means I'm about to get third partied)

icy knot
# jaunty iron wow its a good thing I got decent enough to be able to hold my own in PvP.. beca...

I mean it does feel bad to play the game right now. I think people should be able to join game but during it's first 2 or 3 minutes not after 8.

  • If the devs want a deathmatch mode, they could just use ruins or map rotation for it, like ruins, crypts, and goblins with infinite extractions it would be mostly just for fighting. The way it is now it's not dungeon crawler as SDF promised it's deathmatch.
  • They should bring back the old system(of couse without map rotation) for normals.
  • For high roller, I wish they would try bring back the "death circle", and maybe also random portals to make it really feel like hardcore mode, with awesome loot as a reward.
  • Arena should stay.

Also, I think ruins should be separated from crypts, because everyone rushes to the crypts, and it's just a much better map compared to the ruins.

hazy walrus
icy knot
icy knot
vestal cloud
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make lighting bolt not lock on too the enemy that is just way too op

hoary pike
warm roost
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THEY NEED TO MAKE THE BUFF CHANGE TO CURSE OF WEAKENSS

graceful frost
icy knot
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@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto
Recently, I was thinking about the worst Warlock skill: "Dark Offering".

Dark Offering: Channel your mind for up to 10s, sacrificing 10% Max Health per second to gain 5% Physical Power Bonus and 5% Magical Power Bonus per stack, up to 10 stacks. This bonus lasts for 15s.

This skill prevents the player from moving during the charge and drains an insane amount of health, while buff lasts only 15 seconds.
Currently, this skill only works if you stack a lot of buff duration to extend its effect, ensuring the buff doesn't run out, allowing you to continue charging it again.

I've done some research online about different ideas and came up with a new version of it:
This skill should be activation-based, and the player should be able to move after its activation, making it similar to the Blood Pact mechanic.
(I know making things similar to each other is bad but this is the only change the rest are just numbers that require balancing.)

I would reduce the health sacrificed by the player, and they also gain more stacks with each tick.
The maximum number of stacks a player can achieve is 666, which Provides them with a 33% bonus to magic and physical damage.

  • prototype:
    After activation, 2% of the player’s max health is sacrificed to gain 10 stacks per second. Each stack grants a 0.05% bonus to magic and physical damage.
    After 66.6 seconds, the player would consume 133.2% of their health and should reach 666 stacks, which grants them a 33% bonus to magic and physical damage.
icy knot
# icy knot <@907471106796056587> <@907512022877478933> <@137654101692383233> Recently, I wa...

I also considered different versions where it would be easier or harder for the player to reach 666 stacks, requiring them to sustain their health to reach it.

  • 2nd version(easier to reach 666, easier to survive)
    After activation, 1% of the player’s max health is sacrificed to gain 10 stacks per second. Each stack grants a 0.05% bonus to magic and physical damage.
    After 66.6 seconds, the player would consume 66.6% of their health and should reach 666 stacks, which grants them a 33% bonus to magic and physical damage.

  • 3rd version(harder to reach 666, harder to survive):
    After activation, 3% of the player’s max health is sacrificed to gain 12 stacks per second. Each stack grants a 0.05% bonus to magic and physical damage.
    After 55.5 seconds, the player would consume 166.5% of their health and should reach 666 stacks, which grants them a 33% bonus to magic and physical damage.

I would also add some base bonus 10% after activation so it's worth activating it and increase Heath lost sacrifice after reaching max stacks.

crude hill
gloomy portal
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I could yap on and on, but for now, Idea:
New class... PugilistBarbStare

lament holly
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barb was good and now hes only good in sub 125/sub25 when a geared barb joins high roller he is met with devestating range classes that can only be met with a throwing axe. what does a barbarian mean to you?

icy knot
languid pebble
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Implement one shot kill mechanic for losers trying to camp wyvern Loot room. Every single game there atleast one team camping it. I killed that mofo solo with grays on repeat for the last two hours. If someone isn't good enough to kill the boss, they don't deserve the Loot. It's a cowards way to play and destroys the game. One of the most valuable resources can be camped out of site by losers who team. It's absurd. They should be launched into the void.

lunar condor
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Instead of using Gems+Gold on the Socketing System, Use Gems+XP gained from using that weapon

violet breach
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Can we pls put +1 all in the same pool as true and add? As it is now you have a clear bis item with +1 all and ture and whatever else like hp or power. Putting it in the same slot would make it so you have to decide between true dmg or getting more base stats, which opens up the decisionmaking in kit building again

ruby sonnet
lusty scroll
violet breach
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agreed, give it some time, you arent supposed to have the same value as hitscan spells.
edit: ease of use

ruby sonnet
violet breach
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you are correct, i only read what the thing you posted in here said. didnt click on the link

ruby sonnet
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I think on any class, having spells/perks/skills that only get picked to be tried once is not a good idea. I hope Ironmace sticks to their word and slowly adjust this for every class.

lusty scroll
ruby sonnet
lament grail
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when are we having druid nerf bro, this aint even fun. 250 hp and 50 prc dmg reduction, unlimited heals, abilty to leave combat any time and fly accross the map, even if he doesn't care and do bad moves he still gets to live. 330 ms in panther form, hits like a truck in any of its fighting forms. Some classes just have zero counterplay if not played like a timmy* (it shouldn't be so hard with that kit) No fun and fairness to play against, and yet it is still there.

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so absurdly op 1v1 class

lusty scroll
lament grail
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and what on earth will kill a bear with 250 hp 50 pdr mdr 1 shot bear

lusty scroll
violet breach
lament grail
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yeah thats the absurdity of what I'm bringing to discuss

lusty scroll
violet breach
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agreed, not really that easy when he flies at you from across the room, especially as something like a plate fighter. "you have sprint" on a high cd that you can use once, maby twice per fight

lusty scroll
icy knot
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On next christmas I want goblins dressed as gnomes, troll as Santa and Cyclop as Mrs. Claus

icy knot
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Why Extra Thick Pelt is rare and drops more often than wolf pelt that is common?

plain narwhal
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yo if your gonna revert the escaping system back to the old you need to remove the fuckin continous dungeon, im sick of joining halfway through a match when it takes me 2-5 minutes to secure my exit, seriously, thats stupid

narrow thistle
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Why there is no leaderboard rn?

jolly leaf
warm basalt
lament grail
timber jetty
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Nah fuck this game druide still untouched time to delete

languid pebble
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But that is you lord and savior SDFs vision, don't you love the misbalance? Isn't it the BEST!? Gosh, and all the griefers loading in while your mid boss fight to camp wyvern loot room and grief froststone, shooting arrows from the peek with no way to counter it unless youre a ranger but without any cover from wyvern platform? Isn't all the boss griefing just so good at rewarding the good players who boss, only to get get absolutely gang banged by griefers camping all possible entrances on boss death sounds? That part is my literal favorite. this game is crap in the state its in. stop people loading in en mass ontop of others. also robbing them of the game, when they spawn in, everything is looted and cleaned out. this game isnt worth a crap

icy knot
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@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto
Warlock's Immortal Lament seems underused it might need some kind of buff to make it worth taking.

Here are some good suggestions from LLMs:

1. Health Threshold:

  • Buff Idea: Increase the threshold at which health is capped. For example, you could make it so that the Warlock's health never drops below a higher value, like 10% or 20% of total health when using its spells. This could give more leeway for aggressive playstyles.
  • Example: "Your health will never drop below 10% when using spells."

2. Spell Power Boost when at 1 Health:

  • Buff Idea: When the Warlock reaches 1 health, gain a temporary boost to spell power to make their remaining spells more potent.
  • Example: "When your health reaches 1, gain 5% increased spell power bonus."

3. Health Regeneration below 10%:

  • Buff Idea: If the Warlock's health is below 10%, they begin regenerating 1 health per second. This regeneration continues until the Warlock's health rises above 10%.
  • Example: "If your health is below 10%, start regenerating 1 health per second until it rises above 10%."

I really like 1st option.

pseudo stratus
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"Here are some suggestions from LLMs:"
eww brother gross

eager anchor
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Please make market gear keepable for arena again, I can't gear and play mutliple classes and be competitive in arena anymore please please please fix this

ruby sonnet
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We have a lot of skills/perks/spells in the game that are barely ever used. I think we would benefit a lot if some of them less OP and others more viable so we would have more build variety without playing at a big disadvantage.

As far as sorcerer goes, I have some suggestions regarding underused spells: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/602458/sorcerer-spells-balance-pass

Please leave an upvote if you agree, or leave a comment if you don't and let's discuss.

tender kelp
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Flamefrost spear is maybe the fastest spell in game. It s just the launch delay making it hard top use

eager anchor
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Please revert the arena changes. I want to gear and play multiple classes however I can't because when I buy a set and lose it, it's gone. Last arena season I was able to gear and play 5 classes, this time around I'm having trouble even gearing 1 class to be competitive

blazing stratus
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allow any of your characters to use "found by you" items. Also make merchants "global" just like quests, this was the only argument for why minting only counts for that char and not your account. This is dreadful if you like to play every class... I cant find good gear for them all

eager anchor
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Couldn't agree more @blazing stratus

slow arch
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heres a idea 10 speel druid with more spells you know like actually dnd were its a caster to

icy knot
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@full tulip @dawn grotto Why Warlock's Eldritch Shield does consume the soul shards but does not benefit from them as well as from "Dark Enhancement"? It is propabbly the biggest reason why this spell is not used as often. Buffing should happen before the fight but if warlock player is planning to play around dark magic shards they will not use this spell. It also has intresting passive that perfectly synergizes with other dark magical damage spells. Maybe "Dark Offering" should also synergize with them as the name suggests? Half the dark magic damage spell costs during its duration?

ruby sonnet
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We have a lot of skills/perks/spells in the game that are barely ever used. I think we would benefit a lot if some of them less OP and others more viable so we would have more build variety without playing at a big disadvantage.

As far as sorcerer goes, I have some suggestions regarding underused spells: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/602458/sorcerer-spells-balance-pass

Please leave an upvote if you agree, or leave a comment if you don't and let's discuss.

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ashen canyon
vestal cloud
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i just love getting 10th p[artied every game on goblin caves wow so fun

hoary pike
vestal cloud
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this new lobby system has made goblin caves unplayable there is too many people

granite plinth
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^ adding onto this, there have been way too many instances, in both solos and trios, where a team or player that dies to me or my team will requeue and get back into the game knowing exactly where we're at

hollow flame
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allow us to name our stash tabs for eazy sorting?

silent fern
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@neon turret

whole talon
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I can't find a single boss without seeing at least 2 other teams, and usually more. This is a terrible direction for things to go, and spawning in with barely 10 min left to search for a boss that might not be up is stupid, especially in crypts, since the boss isn't centralized and there is no possible clue to find it; any quest in crypts is a huge time sink with risks that often outweigh any potential gain. I can't wait until they role back this half baked idea of a patch with dungeons. It doesn't make sense to go from a 4x4 to a 5x5 with a fog of war and then change the timer from ~10 minutes to a range from 10-16. Crypts should have a range of like 15-20 min with both bosses spawning just like ruins has 2 bosses spawn. Sure, make them random with fog of war to dial back the pvp congregation, but maybe keep them off the edges or corners or something. As of right now, I think I literally have to step away from the game, because I can't have fun, which learning bosses used to be a fun challenge! Now all bossing (if you even get to do that ) is JUST pvp, sometimes while the boss changes aggro every few secs. This is infuriating enough that I have to tell somebody. There's literally no reason to play this game right now except pvp, despite the mid gameplay of arena, which, thankfully, at least pulls some of the toxic playerbase out of the dungeons' griefer pool, but I digress. Something has to be done about the bosses always being a hot spot so big that there is never time to actually fight the boss, let alone have new people learn the boss. Even Banshee consistently had 3 or4 parties tonight; what valuable does she even drop? Nothing that isn't better farmed through froststone ore or even gold ore! There aren't even any quests to kill any bosses, yet. By far, this is my biggest concern this season. Also would love to see gingerbread cookies pop up more than 1/10 games. Otherwise, this is a great game and I can't wait to see how it blossoms.

glass ibex
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melee classes need more mechanics, are soo underlevel if u compare with magic classes

fast granite
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Does anyone else agree with the fact that the gear buyback from gobbo should be available for a lot longer than 1 freakin hour...? Say i die on my last game and have to leave. I was wearing a really good kit and die to a mob or some other silly thing and i am pretty much guaranteed to get my kit back but i cant get back on until the day after or even just a couple hours later. That kit is now gone. Why not have it like tarkov where you get like 24 hours to claim it back?

ruby sonnet
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We have a lot of skills/perks/spells in the game that are barely ever used. I think we would benefit a lot if some of them less OP and others more viable so we would have more build variety without playing at a big disadvantage.

As far as sorcerer goes, I have some suggestions regarding underused spells: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/602458/sorcerer-spells-balance-pass

Please leave an upvote if you agree, or leave a comment if you don't and let's discuss.

fast granite
# ruby sonnet You used to have to wait for the whole raid for that (45min for ruins), but sinc...

That is true and i could simply plan to only use my good kits when i have the time to sit and wait after the match to claim anything not taken. But if i am forced to only use good kits when i have the time to wait afterwards then i dont have many games where i can actually use my good gear because i work alot and dont have much time to play. Then i have to use "throwaway" kits against gigachad twitch streamers and i die 7/10 runs because i cant use good gear. There is a bit of gear fear to that i know. But if i spent 5000 gold on a kit i want every chance to get it or parts of it back if i were to die.

ruby sonnet
fast granite
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I have made a suggestion so if you agree with it, please give it an upvote. Extend the time to reclaim items from the goblin merchant.

jolly leaf
# fast granite There might be yes. I can not think of a good reason though. Hopefully it does g...

Imo, it's more that this feature was not there since the start, IM see it as something that make the game way easier and don't want to make it too strong. Their goal is to make you play the game as much as possible, dying and losing a kit, having to re farm gear etc may be the thing that take the most time and "force" you to play the most. Goblin merchant help a lot on that and can save you a lot of hours farming for new gear. It come with some issues too and imo a good middle ground would be : you have 12 or 24h to get your gear back, but even if you'r not looted you don't get everything back, each piece have a 15-25% chance to be lost. Or you need to pay a small told amoun to save a piece of gear at 100% if it's not looted

icy knot
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@keen onyx @full tulip @dawn grotto

  • Warlock dark enhancement is underused maybe it needs to be buffed to 14%? At least I would rather choose soul collector's 20% dark shard per kill, that also can make my spell double the damage when fully stacked.
  • Also malice is kinda weak, people don't realise but it most of the time gives you 3 will which is nothing. Will on warlock mostly affects his magic resist not magic power bonus, I had 60 m.p.b .this week and did 20 damage at the head of fighter. At 50 will which is really hard to get you get 5 additional will. People only equip it becouse other youtubers/steamers use thinking it is good and that's how plague is spreading. Maybe it also need some kind of buff idk? As long it is popular, avarage warlock is always weaker than smart one.
  • By the way hydra deals dark magic damage when you place it it doesn't consume the dark shard which makes her stronger.
  • Hellfire is chaining direction when colliding with solid objects which your teams is propably aware of. When it's casted point blank at the object, it can sometimes ricochet 180 degress at the caster.
  • Warlock spell costs is incorrectly displayed.
  • I think you should show some love to Wizards, I see no wizards in game espesially after magic resist curve buff. Maybe they should receive some magic penetration buff on some perk to make their class always deal damage?
limber elbow
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Wow the SEVER so GOOD , got LUCKY kill the skeleton before lag happend , quit and connected back open 2 more chest and trigger 1 more skeleton then LAG kill me ?????????????????? Game for human ?????

ruby sonnet
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We have a lot of skills/perks/spells in the game that are barely ever used. I think we would benefit a lot if some of them less OP and others more viable so we would have more build variety without playing at a big disadvantage.

As far as sorcerer goes, I have some suggestions regarding underused spells: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/602458/sorcerer-spells-balance-pass

Please leave an upvote if you agree, or leave a comment if you don't and let's discuss.

icy knot
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@full tulip @dawn grotto

  • Classes got their health back thus Torture Mastery attribute bonus ratio should be nerfed to 10%, in my opinion it was perfect back than. Also life drain with hydra (Hydrain) should receive a buff so it playable again.
  • There is also another problem with Hydrain that Life drain is a Tier 4 spell for some reason even tho its only used to heal on hydra. Back than it used to be hard for a player to heal but after potions, bandages and surgical kit buffs it became so easy for every class. Maybe life drain should be Tier 2 or 3 spell now because to play hydrain you need to get more knowladge to use other spells?
fast granite
north trellis
# lusty scroll druid nerf already happened bro panther dmg is dawgshit

bear 1 shot str meta. panther for zonining when transforming. Honestly, druid is just broken. Impossible to kill, impossible to chase, impossible run away from. HR druids in duos just get legendery rigns from buddy with str and the rest they get themselves, result, 1-2 tap bear that is also zooming like panther.

icy knot
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There is this useless Wizard spell "Magic Lock" Why not also make it so that Wizard and maybe also his team can easily move through closed enchanted door?

icy knot
sweet ermine
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The only reason i die is because i keep getting one shotted by sorcerer

plain narwhal
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Nerf Barb, why is there 1 class that has 100 more hp than every other class with no chest piece and no jewlery, its madness, that class gets a free 100 magic resist or whatever is and gains the ability to not get knocked back by anything like what?!? That class also gets to do 1 billion damage on top of having 200 hp with no gear like its madness bro

abstract bone
icy knot
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I just got one tapped by longbow multishot from 120HP to 0. Seems balanced. Multishot damage should scale with a percentage of the target's maximum health based on the number of arrows that hit. For example, 15% of max health per arrow hit, making sure they can't one shot a target. This might be hard to program. So how about making it so that longbow has 3 arrows, recurve 4, survival 5.

lethal wave
latent tundra
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I AM ONCE AGAIN ASKING @keen onyx TO FIX ELDRITCH SHIELD. everyone else move along we all know what the problem is just adding to the noise until it's fixed

latent tundra
boreal pier
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So I have an Idea for players who are new to bossing and want to learn how. I feel like there should be a boss training gamemode so you can pick each boss and every map you want to

teal pendant
teal pendant
icy knot
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@full tulip The Arcane Hood needs to be nerfed; compared to the Wizard Hat, it is significantly stronger. Additionally, I would recommend buffing all rarities of the Wizard Hat, as it is currently not used at all.

boreal pier
icy knot
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By the way they said they are making training map for new players month ago.

latent tundra
# teal pendant still the mandatory class in solo, still the lowest skill cap of all class, ig t...

Requiring different skills =/= lowest skill cap, BUT I agree you've got no real choice in mechanics, you can either be fast and fragile or slow and tanky, then pick your flavour of thwack stick which doesnt really affect much.

Barbs need their perks and skills seriously overhauled, cuz they literally all just give stats, or stats with extra steps. I think the only really interesting ability they have is savage shout since it has a PVE and PVP utility in 1 ability.

slow arch
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when sorc getting new perks?

vestal cloud
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BARBARIAN IS SOOOOOOO DUMB can they please nerf the barbs health i looove runnnign into immortal barbs with 330 ms with there war maul out catching me at 320 ms fists out lol

granite plinth
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anyone agree about more lore developement i want more explication about ruin history and the demon

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why inferno under the forgoten catlse what his the midnight stag ect

glacial sphinx
granite plinth
manic cliff
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Is there any talk about the lantern or other off-hand items possibly given the ability to be used in the main hand slot as well? I think off-hand melees like hatchet and short sword could use a little added spice. It would help off hand weapons feel a little bit more dynamic and enjoyable other than simply being forced along into a dual wield playstyle or completely neglected otherwise.

raw fable
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@keen onyx for christs sake make the arcane set matching colors

raw fable
hearty solstice
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Here's something. let players make bags and other items with Extra Thick Pelts. I'm tired of trying to get a troll pelt or wolf pelt

slow arch
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perk idea for sorc you cant equip any weapons but u get to use the 2 slots for spells

stoic cloak
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make blocking a thing

lilac garden
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3rd partying bosses is such a pain, can't you keep the sound the bosses make stay in the room if the doors are closed?

hoary pike
vestal cloud
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how are you supposed to fight a good sorcer i swear i cannot even get close too a good sorcerer its so dumb

marsh talon
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I'm stuck going between dungeons with my teammate, it started at +- 02:00 UTC on 01.01.2025 and it's still loading when I log into my account and then when I try to reconnect...Please fix this error.

ruby sonnet
ruby sonnet
icy knot
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"parties can no longer be formed with duplicate classes."
This change is interesting. Which class trios caused this?

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Tainted Heart gives amazing aura. It would be cool if players could get different auras based on how many hours they played or fame of the character. hours: 500 white, 1500 red, 3000 black.

main reef
lilac garden
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can we get an emote where you stand tall with both arms wide open like giant dad from dark souls 1

jolly leaf
jolly leaf
glacial sphinx
icy knot
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@keen onyx
Warlock has some dark magic damage spells. What dark magic does? absolutely nothing. It only specifies what spells will be buffed by equipping Dark Enhancement, or Soul Collector. Why not make it so that there is some small anti heal debuff when spell hits the target? 15% for 4seconds? As an Evil character I think this would be fitting debuff for Warlock's dark magic damage spells. But it is very similar(besides stacking) to rogue's poison so maybe different debuff is needed.

fast granite
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Revert it back to the escape/down portals towards the end of a round rather than this going down 2 seconds into the round bs. The current state of the game is just pure heaven for all the people farming to sell for real money. You can essentially skip all pvp and reliably farm bosses, mini bosses, gold piles etc etc.

ruby sonnet
boreal pier
ruby sonnet
boreal pier
# ruby sonnet No, what is your point? 🤔

The point is to help people learn bosses easier rather than having to spend time loading in one, two they dont have to get destroyed by people and third the mobs aren't something they have to deal with I don't want the boss to be lootable I want to just learn

ruby sonnet
boreal pier
icy knot
boreal pier
icy knot
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Will warlock have ever a necromancy spell in his kit being able to bring back a non sub boss PVE to life?

celest crescent
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If races that are unable to wear helmets were given a boost to reduce headshots, more than just the current low percentage, that would be awesome. Since many of those races aren't even being used very often anymore, atleast from what I've noticed, I think there is a significant trade-off.

ruby sonnet
ruby sonnet
icy knot
ruby sonnet
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We have a lot of skills/perks/spells in the game that are barely ever used. I think we would benefit a lot if some of them were less OP and others more viable so we could have more build variety without playing at a big disadvantage.

As far as sorcerer goes, I have some suggestions regarding underused spells: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/602458/sorcerer-spells-balance-pass

Please leave an upvote if you agree, or leave a comment if you don't and let's discuss.

ruby sonnet
last gull
hazy walrus
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Pls add goblin skin

icy knot
round magnet
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Should Shadow Mask get some headshot damage reduction? I feel like if the Leather Cap can squeeze out 11% and various caster hoods have 8% then the mask should get some mitigation at least.

icy knot
slim prism
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Fix combat, add more move options to melee fighters, finish training already, add more perks/spells to all classes before adding more, just make the questing and merchants more streamlined like tarkov if you're going to rip it off and add actual tiers for meaningful progress with the merchants. Add more options to melee means actual options per swing. Not a static left click combo and a single right click alternative strike

icy knot
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Infernal Pledge is the Warlock's worst perk that nobody uses. How about buffing it by making the Warlock only receive half of the fire damage from fire sources and also making the Warlock deal small fire damage to all nearby enemies?

jolly leaf
icy knot
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Players are complaining how hard it is to make a boss without being interrupted. Maybe doors to the boss should be automatically closed when boss fight starts while only player inside can open them. After killing a boss blue portal appears and 5seconds later doors can be opened again. I think players would love this change, but I think it's also a bad idea if you would have to wait or go to the next game if someone took the boss.

jolly leaf
icy knot
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Is there a way to make Hydra don't deal damage to teammates/caster? I was hated for that long time ago. Pls @keen onyx fix.

hoary pawn
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Does Barb's Axe Specialization apply to bardiche?

jolly leaf
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No

blazing stratus
icy knot
stuck perch
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Do people really enjoy having less charges on spells?

honest lance
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Warlock Manifesto-

Fix rays knowledge scaling and give it a debuff. Increase base scaling to allow viability in endgame
Change Bloodstained blades buff to magical weapon damage instead of base weapon damage in order to benefit from high will+synergise with class abilities better. Maybe lower amount dmg gained to balance.
Rework dark enhancement perk and make it similar to other caster classes school perks, I.E. introducing new mechanics for the affected spells
Combine Demon Form and current Dark Offering and rework its healing. For every second in demon form, gain one stack of dark offering, giving equivalent or lessened buffs. Health decay can be like .5% for every stack or something. This will extend demon uptime and viability. Healing should be reworked if they plan on sticking to warlock being locked to slow weapons. A change can be lifesteal, while in demon or with the ability active You heal 30% of damage you do(can be restricted solely to melee maybe for balancing). Consider giving wings functionality, maybe reduce player gravity similar to sorc’s levitation. Maybe give demon form mastery perk allowing faster activation and doubling effects of darkness shards on form.
Completely rework Dark offering where you gain permanent buffs(demon flavoring) in exchange for permanently reserving health, strength of buffs scale with amount of reserved hp. Reserved hp cannot be restored in any way. Maybe resets with going down a floor and maybe cap max hp reservation to like 50-75%.
buff shadow touch or give it scaling
either introduce a new perk halving self damage from DoT’s or bake it into the class to allow melee playstyles viability(as it is now self damage too high for melee to be viable with classes small healthpool)
Spell predation should work as either cleanse or silence
Darkness shards should affect eldritch shield
introduce innate debuffs to class-specific schools, i.e. darkness causing drunk effects and evil causing whispers and hearing suppression.

limpid cove
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while we are waiting for quiver, can you increase arrow stack from 20->40

slender bear
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Bro can we like fix this stupid broken lightning bolt crap going through walls and floors

vestal cloud
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NERF BARBARIAN PLEASE TOO MUCH HP

granite plinth
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increase the riposte window on lantern shield, i feel like im clicking m2 fairly quickly and it still tries to block again

hollow flame
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no one should be able to re queue into the same game they died in, period

hoary pike
hollow flame
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Make curses from warlock expire upon death

zealous otter
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anyone elses acheivements keep getting reset? i was at 390 kills out of 500 for dagger kills now im at 2 of 500 after relogging? tried relogging multiple times to see if it was a visiul bug but when i go into dung it starts count back from 0, suggestion is to look into bug, achievements reseting every game now

woven marsh
zealous otter
hushed sinew
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made a few suggestions for the sorcercer -->https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/603870/some-sorcerer-suggestions-mainly-perks-suggestions, but the main thing that might be the last thing that gets added:
the ability to cast spells with their freehand when using a one-handed melee weapon.
- this could be enabled by a perk or be a thing be default, but the option would be very interesting and would enable actual spellsword playstyles.

  • it is possible to cast spells with the offhand when using a magical tool, which gives you access both spell wheels. however with this the only you would only have access to the freehands spells. ei falchion in left spot, so only right skill spells are available to use.
  • This would allow for something other than the longsword to be viable(fuck the longsword).
dreamy relic
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8 minutes for a que, under 25 GS to finish a quest maybe fix that

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better make it 10 now.

warm roost
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nerf druid to the ground, or get rid of shapeshift mastery, that could solve all the problems

icy knot
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  • Revert the panther damage changes. He still can jump easily only casters and kill them without any problems. And no one can escape them becouse they are faster in this form.
  • Nerf bard movespeed. I don't know what makes them fast but it was always the problem that they can wear stuff and still be faster than the naked guy.
slate junco
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The luck modifier in Dark and Darker appears broken for hunting loot drop tables. While it seems to function for chests and treasure piles, it has no effect on the quality or rarity of items obtained from mobs. Stacking luck shows no improvement for hunting-specific drops, indicating this mechanic is not working as intended. Please fix it before Blythar is added.

round magnet
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The pickaxe should be the universal tool for any class to break the ice walls within Ice Caverns and the Abyss. Currently certain classes have genuinely no way to break that ice and as such are SOL on any loot that may be hidden behind them. Give pickaxe max impact power so no matter your build you always have an option to smash the ice.

zealous otter
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when we gonna fix lighting bolt hitting people through walls doors and pillars since they dont have line of sight? we dont need homing on any skills remove from magic missiles to (am a wizard main)

slow arch
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new sorc perk plz

gusty lily
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Really like the new crypts setup with ruins - fog of war crypts - red. Wish there was more Fog of War on other maps as well

ripe turtle
sharp remnant
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reduce the server Queues, normals or high roller for each map, no more 0-25, 25-125, 125-250, 250+ anymore or whatever it is just make normals 0-250 and high roller 250+. it will remove dead maps which ruined the buzz for me along with the circle being removed basicly means there is no chance of forced fights which was always an electric stressful feeling. too many times now where i would rather just play 0-25 with basic squire gear so i can find other players, in highroller or anything higher then 125+ gear score just feels like campaign mode. yall have made the noobs happy but killed what made this game special to me. RANT OVER lol

abstract bone
ripe turtle
granite plinth
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Again asking to increase the riposte window on lantern shield. i feel like im clicking m2 very quickly and it still tries to block again instead of doing the attack

tawdry patio
icy knot
jaunty tulip
jaunty tulip
abstract bone
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let druids treants kills count towards the druid. sorcerer does it with their elemental.

ruby sonnet
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We have a lot of skills/perks/spells in the game that are barely ever used. I think we would benefit a lot if some of them were less OP and others more viable so we could have more build variety without playing at a big disadvantage.

As far as sorcerer goes, I have some suggestions regarding underused spells: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/602458/sorcerer-spells-balance-pass

Please leave an upvote if you agree, or leave a comment if you don't and let's discuss.

radiant spear
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I think you guys should add name tag plates for class mastery. Have a differnt one for each class hitting a certant kill milestone or sm of that sort

icy knot
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Devs should add some kind off reward for completing all the quests from previous season.

torn goblet
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i'd like to see some craftable from wyvern for melee and spellcasters for weapons that has a beast damage bonus, similar to silver and undead

kind dome
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I'd like to see a min gear score for arena, getting a squire gear guy on your team is almost a guaranteed loss

warm basalt
marble patrol
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make gear that you socket have the crafted by you on it if i have to find the gems and socket it then ive essentially crafted it

keen lotus
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Being able to choose perks before an arena matchup so you can adapt when you play with random teamates

ruby sonnet
warm basalt
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its my opinion though, its just so easy to leave i feel no risk just leaving and requeuing rather than staying for pvp or even hiding in a corner if i got something really good

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makes the highs lower

daring trail
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It's a double edged sword imo but honestly it's still a good thing.

I think there should be some tweaking, maybe an interact time to open the gate on a static exit. But overall it's a good thing

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Just had it happen before I logged out where in duos we killed a barb and his warlock friend legit just peaced to the nearest static exit, it is what it is

warm basalt
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im glad they open up sooner, i think its just too soon

versed hinge
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It should't be possible to parry a swing that already hit and did dmg.... you can hit the enemy, and the same swing can lead to a block/parry a couple of frames later, that shouldnt be possible, makes longsword just wayyyy too easy

rustic glade
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I need an explanation and an answer as to why they are bringing out new classes and cannot fix the ones they already have.

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The warlock class needs a buff or rework, I'm tired of a bard who tanks like a fighter and shoots arrows like a machine gun killing me without the possibility of counter play.

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Normal games are full of bards, barbarians and fighters that with a single click take away 60% of life or more, it's absurd, not counting the stupid druids with their panther form that cannot be killed without doing real magic.

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Stupid rangers and bards do too much damage with recurves and longbows need an urgent nerf, it's impossible to cast against them

icy knot
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I don't know who's idea it was to buff health of mobs on ice abyss but it's not okey. They were already all extremely tanky and everyone hated that. I know you devs don't play the game but what the .

torn goblet
rustic glade
warm basalt
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warlocks get infinite healing with literally no cost

rustic glade
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The devs are stupid and want to give more movement to classes for one-fingered people like the barbarians or the panthers

warm basalt
rustic glade
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Being able to heal myself doesn't eliminate the fact that I can be killed in 2 hits.

warm basalt
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start dodging with your get out of jail free ability. or with your body. or use your melee and start 2 shotting people too.

rustic glade
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For me to heal I need time, TIME that DOES NOT EXIST if classes like the ranger with a longbow, the wizard with a fireball, the bard with a rapier strike burst you with anything

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Since they nerfed the phantom you can't escape from classes so easily anymore and the fighter with the giant crossbow and his perk can oneshot you.

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People should play it and see how "balanced" it is when carrying a 20k gold + encore kit against a ranger with a trash kit, shooting you with 2 arrows and killing you with the third one.

warm basalt
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3 hits yet still not stacking hp 🤔

torn goblet
rustic glade
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True, I have to stack maximum life, magic healing, will, knowledge, move speed, while other garbage classes like the barbarian or ranger kill with anything

icy knot
rustic glade
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I forgot how expensive warlock kits are

torn goblet
rustic glade
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How can I not be upset if the devs don't make the balance changes right and I have to swallow a barbarian with 200+ hp running faster than me?

warm basalt
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its easier when you dont refuse any other playstyle other than the one youre already running

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youre allowed to complain, but if youre going to just get mad about it to the point youre getting pissed off to this level, just log off for the wipe, man. or until patch notes favors your way to play

opal orbit
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@dawn grotto I believe i have found a bug where discord overlay dosent work when playing the game through the Blacksmith launcher, meaning that when i'm told by moderators that i need a clip WITH the discord overlay for banable evidence of TK'ing or radical language in the VC, it's literally impossible to get for anybody still on your teams developed launcher without a program such as OBS to record the screen(s) and audio

icy knot
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I don't know the reason for buffing all the classes since the SDF vision. Was it to increase class identity or make Arena more engaging? By doing so, however, you've widened the gap between classes so much that it's nearly impossible for one to compete with another. In 90% of cases, the stronger class simply wins. There's no room for skill expression—just plain stats and poor balancing. Surely new players will stay after finding out they can't win with 200hp, 40%pdr, 40%mdr, 320ms with press of a button Barb. It has reached the point where barbs are using the Horseman's Axe all the time because there's no risk of them losing.

neon ivy
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i'm done playing for now because i believe that barbarian shouldnt have both 330 ms with their primary out and 175+ hp

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just not fun having to kite for 2 minutes while they juist hold W and eventually hit you with one achillies and you get 2 tapped

abstract bone
icy knot
abstract bone
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that's not the reason players quit at the end of wipe.

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And it won't be any help to retain people at end of wipe. It's end of the wipe. people are doing other stuff because it's just a matter of time till they do the whole farm again next wipe.

icy knot
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Somehow from the beginning, I already knew we would not come to an agreement.

abstract bone
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tldr. we don't need more rewards for questing it's already got plenty.

icy knot
abstract bone
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welcome to end of wipe. There is nothing left to do. you're waiting for wipe.

icy knot
icy knot
abstract bone
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and you don't think xD.

icy knot
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yes 🐒

abstract bone
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"errmm more warlock buffs errrmm more rewards because im boreeed 👉 👈 "

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find something else to do. Dark n darker shouldn't be your everything.

icy knot
abstract bone
versed hinge
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Fix blocking in this game please thanks, dont make stab weapons hitbox just spawn behind a shield

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stuff like this should be a prio IMO, balance changes can wait

barren grove
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buff castillon dagger. make it hit harder on the third one . 130% multiplier is not enough

icy knot
median wave
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quests randomized reward is pretty neat, but please fix the inventory, I have more than enough spot in my inv to fill 2 armor, but somehow it's not enough? I havent seen any piece of armor bigger than 2x3

slow arch
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new perks for sorc when

versed hinge
vestal cloud
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CAN WE FIX WHERE IF YOU GO RAT SOMETIMES YOUR HITBOX IS THE SIZE OF THE FORM YOU JUST TRANFORMED FROM ITS SO DUMB

signal rain
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the devs wont see this but can we please remove any and all quest that require goping to a specific spot on a map or killing things on a sepcific map. I hate the ruins i dont like any part of that map its boring boring boring. half the quest are on that map. stop forcing me to play maps i dont want to play so i can complete these quest. make me collect items or open chest or kill mobs

oblique rune
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i just want the fog removed if they're gonna randomize all of the halves

icy knot
median wave
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ramp up gingerbread drop rate, it's been 2 weeks and I only got 30 of them 😭

slate pewter
slate pewter
warm basalt
versed hinge
slate pewter
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its darkest hour podcast #74 with soma and SDF. timestamp 1:33:20 (i think, check transcript)

versed hinge
pure summit
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There needs to be a clearer distinction between dungeon levels... IMO make all top mobs white, 2nd floor all Elite, 3rd floor all Nightmare. - it would be more understandable for new players than running into nightmares on floor 1...

For highroller: all elite 1st floor, 2nd floor half elites half nightmare, 3rd floor full nightmare...

Or elite 1st, nightmare 2nd, demonic 3rd (new type)

celest trail
tall pike
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Make a difference in drop chance atm skeletons have a 6.666667% chance to drop bones have a higher chance for normal, bit lower for elite and lower for nightmare. Sucks not finding easy quest items on normal skeletons but finding them on nightmare ones tbh maybe 15% on normal, 10% on elite and 2.5 or 5% on nightmare same with other mobs ofc

marsh talon
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troll gaming vs sorcerers , every sorc can counter all classes just. permanent auras + blink and my 150 hp done idk...I don't understand what the developers were thinking when they caused such damage.

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low CD no casting time biggest dmg ever hight mobility much mechanics and no counter

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was there any balance of this class before its release? Or have you decided to mock the players so that only the sorcerers remain in the game?

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I really want to swear when 45% of the magic resistance that you spend 20 thousand gold on is destroyed in less than a second.

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even if you remove the blink, the class will still be many times stronger than any other

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perhaps the online game will drop even more soon if this issue is not resolved, but for now I've had enough of playing a game where the developers do not want to engage in the project.

remote whale
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druid spell, thorn whip, "shoot" a projectile that deals weak damage and applies a bleed and has short range

glossy arch
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The classes with the ability to silence other classes just nullifies classes like Wizard being able to play the game at all, once you get silenced you are dead because you are not out running the rogue with higher movespeed than you. To be honest, I think the game would be in a much better spot if the rogue, bard and druid's ability to silence an entire playstyle is removed altogether, I tried to think of some ways to make it better, but it just straight up feels bad to die to a class that you can't see because of invisibility, can't outrun because of higher movespeed and when they are on top of you then you can't even fight back because of silence.

winter jacinth
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My suggestion is to take gambling totally out of the game, there are streamers that spend their entire stream just sitting in trade post gambling skull keys and gold keys.
other than that ironmace needs to make some real arena maps, not give us the worst modules ever created to play with, like the opposite of what they are doing right now, thats what they should do.

ripe turtle
midnight whale
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potion chugger needs a nerf ngl, it makes no sense that a barb can outheal all your damage by drinking a single potion.

leaden cedar
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more and more cheater

sullen wraith
winter jacinth
sullen wraith
winter jacinth
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since they added the option for audio in the game it doesnt even work when i try to apply the change it stay bugged and my game cant change from my speaker to my headset.. why add something that ends up bringing less QOL?

icy knot
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Pls don't ever make this game free to play. It just invites too many cheaters. Today I met a fighter that was using cheat to check if spectral fabric has dropped.

pure summit
# celest trail Don’t make this game any easier. It wasn’t meant or made to be easy.

My suggestion doesn't make this game easier, it actually makes the hardest part of the game HARDER... I mentioned, you can do:

Normals (where average players go) : 1st = White, 2nd = Elite, 3rd = Nightmare... They can choose the difficulty that suits their skills.

High Roller: 1st = Elites, 2nd = Nightmares, 3rd = Even Harder Version of Mobs (Level 4 mobsHell?), or add in some super-elites or minnions.

Then in High-level HR raids (5-mans, 10-mans) you can add in Inferno difficulty mobs (level 5 mobs) potentially. — This would add coherence to the tiered dungeon system.

Right now the game is TOO easy for the high-end players, and TOO hard for the new players (mainly because of the uneven progression of difficulty of mobs, lack of tutorials, and gear bracket skill jumps... There are too big of jumps and hurdles where they just quit cause they don't see themselves getting to that level in a reasonable amount of time.)

torn goblet
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could we add serrated weapon craftables for extra beast damage? (akin to silver weapons that deal undead damage)

half lance
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If you don't want people to team with the same class for certain things, then remove that for random queues. It is usually really bad for the team or overpowered.

onyx citrus
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Maybe they could add a training room for damage testing your kits, you could be able to set pdr to dummies or mdr, maybe add some mobs to practice parrying, they could let you 1v1 your friends, who agrees? Similar to the thing apex has.

slow arch
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2 spell wheel druid with more spells when?

cold drum
hearty solstice
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Just let us use literally any non-unique pelt(Thick Pelt Anyone???) to use in place of Troll Pelt to craft Gold Bags. Or buff Gold Pouch so it holds 500 gold.

icy knot
rustic glade
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The rangers gameplay is so disgusting that they changed the game type from dark and darker to shooter because they just keep aiming in a corner

maiden pawn
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i'd love if they added the arcana set for the sorcerer on the squire, it seems like an integral part of the class that i just can't use on low gear matches

icy knot
# slow arch 2 spell wheel druid with more spells when?

Wizards should have the highest amount of spells, new should be added.

I don't know why warlock has 2nd wheel but ok if they add more spells it could be playable.

I feel like druid shouldn't have 2nd wheel but at the same time hate overturned panther so I would prefer caster version. 😅

rustic glade
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The game needs to remove the one-handed mechanics, rework the ranged pvp system, and balance the druid and barbarian.

icy knot
# rustic glade Nerf rangers.

Nah. I would lower survival bow damage but at the same time "thelorr" had hard time fighting pdr fighters and clerics so maybe with damage nerf they would need to increase armor penetration.
Rangers with longbows and recurves are not that of a big problem if you know how to play, bait their shots and dodge. Against good rangers such tactics are harder to perform 😅.

rustic glade
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There is also the most broken class in this game, the bard, they need to lower the buffs he gives himself

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Well, they could increase penetration against heavy armor and reduce it against light armor, it's nonsense that they take away half your life with one shot.

icy knot
icy knot
# glossy arch The classes with the ability to silence other classes just nullifies classes lik...

It used to be that you could bait rogue invis. But now he is invis 24/7 so you just never push him unless you want to die.
IM should nerf ambush or invis or do something so it is easier to hear rogue.
It's the easiest play style in the game similar to ranger traps that were nerfed.

Silence is powerful, but does it need to be removed?

Maybe wizard needs new perk or spell to counter silence?

hazy walrus
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Nerf every class except for Rogue, buff Rogue, it’s simple.

strange crescent
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Give warlock kriss dagger back.

wind river
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Where are rogues getting guns to fight back against our magical casting oppressors?

icy knot
warm basalt
north python
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why can players run arena with squire gear? That makes no sense to grind good items, run with 500 gear score and get every 3rd game two m8s in squire gear....

icy knot
icy knot
# north python why can players run arena with squire gear? That makes no sense to grind good it...

Arena is best for new players that don't know how to pvp. So it's good that they can play with no gear.
I don't know what psychopath would play arena alone without friends but If that happens, the system ought to find teammates with a similar gear score, ensuring the enemy team also consists of random players with comparable gear scores.
When I say 'ought to,' I mean that it likely doesn't work this way currently, but it should.

tardy shell
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Hi, I would like to ask if either this thing is feature or bug , teamates entering hell with my/any heart makes it disappear
Should this be happening or its a bug ?

opal parrot
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👍

viscid solar
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Please add custom games. Would be fun to create a custom game modes for events or mini games. Of course you can't extract anything, no experience, just fun or survival with friends (or for holding tournaments, public and private).

icy knot
# icy knot <@907471106796056587> <@907512022877478933> <@137654101692383233> - Warlock dar...

I would like to expand on the topic of malice why it needs a buff.

  • With addition of Dark Elf skin you get 1 will which is 33% of malice which shows how weak malice is currently.
  • Frost Walker skin gives 3 max health which is better than 3 will in my opinion.
  • Barbarian Robust also gives 10% stat buff but health with is equal to 14HP. HP is the best stat in the game and Barbarian gets 14 of it.
  • White mystic vestments gives 3 will but to get 14 health you need unique adventurer tunic with vigor.
  • Mage's Sage buffs also 10% of a stat but knowledge. Wizards have more base knowledge than Warlocks have Will, but it also just gives them most of the time 3 or 4 knowledge with this perk equipped, maybe it also needs a small buff?
jolly leaf
icy knot
tardy shell
jolly leaf
tardy shell
jolly leaf
icy knot
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I was thinking about the old, removed Warlock spell 'Evil Eye.' I’d like it reworked it into a trap. You know maybe you could place three traps that lasts for 3 minutes, that either have an effect or reveal an enemy. However, I’m not sure if the Warlock is the right class for magical traps. Maybe a different class could benefit from such a spell. Or two classes having two different versions of it.

hearty solstice
# opal parrot Just play GC and farm troll

You know 100% not everyone can even farm troll. Mostly because of PvP interference. Thats the reason I want these changes. So players aren't stuck with this one & only option to MAYBE attempt to farm Troll.

sullen wraith
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A item skin/emote for people who report Major bugs

hoary pike
rustic glade
granite plinth
reef quartz
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Bard is OP and has basically no counters. they need reduced health or need to be affected by knockback with iron will again. There just in no counter play to that class its insane. Also lets not forget that their base HP was unaffected when they reduced the total HP of all other classes.

icy knot
fast mirage
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Banshee boss fight adjustment idea to smooth out the ghost collection and fighting her as duo/trio:

  1. Ghosts no longer drop from you unless purged by scream
  2. At max stacks (8) Banshee is revealed to you during her invisibility dash.
    -this makes 5-7 the most dangerous spirit stacks as she is still invisible and you can hear very little
  3. Every spirit collected after 8 silences you for 5 seconds (stacking)
arctic lagoon
fast mirage
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Agreeeeed. Please add scimitar to that list

lapis saffron
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Unique quest items/unique quest interactions would make questing more engaging and exciting instead of just taking basic loot items out of the dungeon or walking into a location. for example, after completing the Alchemist quest "Hidden Within," the Alchemist states "The rumors were true all along...and you brought a book back as well?! Give me some time to study this text," even though the player did not bring anything back from the library, we just walked through it and looted basic treasure items. kinda lame. This is only one example but im sure there are more quests like this that elude to the player embarking on a grander adventure in the dungeon to uncover a mystery, but then fall short because all the quest requires is that you walk in and out of the room.

arctic lagoon
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next update should just be adding more weapon types and fixing thunderbolt

fast mirage
celest crescent
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Sorcerers should be able to wield one-handed weapons, such as a falchion, while still casting spells with their off-hand. Currently, this isn't possible unless holding a crystal ball. One of the key aspects of this class is the ability to cast spells with an empty hand, so it doesn't make sense why casting with a weapon in one hand and using the other hand for spellcasting requires a crystal ball. This seems more like an oversight.

limber dune
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map after water map: Egyptian theme the top floor is like a bright version of ruins, more closed in and modular with ancient ruins, sand dunes, buriel grounds market squares and temples. Second floor descend into a pyramid tomb.

arctic lagoon
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i need egyptian theme, but also haunted mansion themed areas

naive current
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Has Ironmace commented on the sorc bug where electricity goes through walls?

fast mirage
hoary pike
granite plinth
hoary pike
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It’s literally the whole point of bard, buff ball songs or util songs, it just sounds like you’re mad that you aren’t good enough to outplay bards

jolly leaf
dusky grove
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When are they gonna add new craftable weapons

warm basalt
arctic lagoon
warm basalt
arctic lagoon
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still, more different types of weapons is an improvement

wintry wolf
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players are queing in as singles into duos at the same time as their friend so they can both play sorcers at the same time and avoid the single class per team restriction.

versed root
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I think a gear swapping thing while in lobby would be great

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like saving gear to a seperate set mechanic and having it so you can click a button to swap gear

barren grove
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add potions that add base stats. specifically resourcefullness. or atleast interaction speed XD let us loot better man

dusk rain
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I think an arachnophobia mode would be nice. Swapping out the spiders for crabs or something, for those with intense arachnophobia (i asked a buddy, he said crabs would be fine)

barren grove
grand jetty
jolly leaf
jolly leaf
barren grove
icy knot
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would some kind of agility potions be too strong?

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what if you could find or craft arrows with some kind of effect

warm basalt
lilac garden
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please make the bloodwoven gloves something the rogue can wear, they are looking fire

warm basalt
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scythe when?

icy knot
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What about some Area of effects spells or items? Some high cost darkness spell, or throwable potions?
Give cleric dancing lights spell around him dealing good damage to undead.
Dancing lights with Light Orb could remove darkness and Smoke Pot effect.

dawn tartan
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hot take, but i think keys shouldn't be worth 10s of thousands of gold. make the keys a higher drop rate and worth 0 gold or untradeable. this would allow those key items to be used for content and not for money placeholders. also you could give the keys 1-3 uses so that we see more traffic from players going to these areas. i just feel like its content that 99% of players dont touch because its generally better to just sell the item

coarse crest
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Get rid of rat rogues 😭

icy knot
#

@full tulip @dawn grotto
New Druid Summon: "Daisy Defender"
A druid can now summon a Daisy Defender, a small magical flower that shoots projectiles at enemies, similar to the iconic plant from "Plants vs. Zombies." The summon has moderate damage and range, making it ideal for keeping enemies at bay.

Interaction with Herbal Sensing Perk:

if the druid equips the "Herbal Sensing" perk:

  • The Daisy Defender and Summon Treant will attack 25% faster.
  • Gathering herbs can also replenish spell charges for summoning the Daisy Defender and Summon Treant.
signal rain
ruby sonnet
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We have a lot of skills/perks/spells in the game that are barely ever used. I think we would benefit a lot if some of them were less OP and others more viable so we could have more build variety without playing at a big disadvantage.

As far as sorcerer goes, I have some suggestions regarding underused spells: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/602458/sorcerer-spells-balance-pass

Please leave an upvote if you agree, or leave a comment if you don't and let's discuss.

zinc scroll
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This video can help with animations for weapons

slow arch
fast mirage
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I hope we gwt lots of a skill/passive/spell additions this season or next

ashen nymph
thorn mango
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@mint ravine if you could msg me i would be greatly appreciative

arctic lagoon
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i do think they should give ranger tipped arrows for utility

slow arch
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why devs keep making casters mele classes i dont get it?

icy knot
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Why druid's tree lasts so long and atack so fast? It's not a problem but hope it gets nerfed in the future.

icy knot
ashen nymph
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also quiver is not their priority (they said its a meme on somas podcast)

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also forgot about insane amount of rogues stelthing 2taping you with a dagger

icy knot
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Why is my class getting insulted 😭😂. What am I supposed to say I have no life 3k hours 1000fame. I have answer to every opponent. 😎

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Can't we have normal conversation about balance?

ashen nymph
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thats why i may have sounded angry sorry but am starting to lose it went from 17 k g in like 4 games every time a third party rogue or some counter i can do barely anything about

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ranger is a playable class but now its the worst out of everyone else in my opinion (solos)

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so a small buff would be great 1once in 10 patches

icy knot
ashen nymph
icy knot
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Yes there were lots of dumb buffing since introduction of SDF vision patch 69. And they didn't revoke all those decisions but I think they will. It was as if SDF fired balance team and he decided to balance game by himself doing same mistakes as the balance team before.

ashen nymph
icy knot
ashen nymph
icy knot
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Yes he needs some love. Do you have any ideas for a new ranger perk?

ashen nymph
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Mby add a long sword to the spear mastery perk would make sence historicly and certenly make a loot mkre sence then sorcerer having it

icy knot
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I think IM didn't had good sorcerer weapon so they gave him longsword.

ashen nymph
icy knot
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Intresting one.

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  • Gandalf from LOTR was fighting with staff and some kind of short sword maybe IM will add such dual wield for wizard or sorcerer.
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  • Also I'm thinking about most useless shield in the game: pavise. Maybe when placed player should receive smaller damage behind it.
ashen nymph
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Mby but hen people would just have full range team and camp behind it

icy knot
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It would be funny 😂

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But they would use this shield which is good.

ashen nymph
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Yea xd fighters and barbs would be weak for the first time ever

icy knot
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3 x pavise technology. LINE_HOLD LINE_THE LINE_LINE

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With proper balancing it would be amazing.

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They should add skin for pavise: Hold the Line
👁️👄👁️

slow arch
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caltrop buff when?

jolly leaf
# slow arch caltrop buff when?

Make them rechargeable when you sit, not campfire just sitting. With some kind of mini game like Bard's song, but take a bit more time/random

slow arch
jolly leaf
midnight whale
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i know no one plays bard, but can we finally nerf the class so it stops being S tier in every mode?

vapid marsh
worthy wing
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FIX YOUR ADDS HITTING THROUGH WALLS

teal pendant
wraith viper
jaunty tulip
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drop in should have a limit man. its so baffling that i have to clear 3 separate full servers if i want to go deeper. I clear entire first floor. Clear multiple teams in second layer, a team in third layer. only to have to succeed against over 20 unique ppl if i want to go to third layer

merry kestrel
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Make Slayer work with 2 handed weapons, for fun.

Combine Defense Mastery and Projectile Resist, add a 50% Slow resistance/reduction.

Remove Weapon Mastery, just give fighters everything EXCEPT Rapier, Rondel, Longbow, and Survival Bow.

Give fighters a new 2H weapon spec perk that gives +10% AS with two handed weapons

Give fighters a new frontliner perk that give them +10% hit slow when attacking from behind

and let us wear funny hats instead of being stuck with leather caps if we go slayer. Letting us wear the Chaperon, Leather Bonnet, Feathered Hat, and the Straw Hat would be historically accurate.

remote whale
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Give wizards soul gems as utility items that drain souls from lesser enemies to recharge spell slots

icy knot
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Give Slayer fighter some armor penetration if possible?

graceful frost
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defense mastery doesn't need no buff, they do not need innate wpn mastery,

outer sable
teal pendant
# graceful frost bro who let you cook

I was wondering if i need to react to him. Buff the weakness of fighter when its not even real weakness is clearly not a great idea. And the idea to give him a free bow is like.. omg..

proven wigeon
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fix sorc for fuck sakes, im casting blanks

outer sable
proven wigeon
icy knot
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Isn't warlock's Blood Pact transformation a bit too long? Doesn't it need some kind of damage reduction when transforming?

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Doesn't cleric needs his spells to be based on coldown? Wouldn't that fix the problem of him spamming all of these heals at once?

jolly leaf
lilac garden
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make rogues lose invisibility in boss rooms while the boss is alive

icy knot
teal pendant
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since rogue is a little bit back to the trio meta with double invis u again want a nerf of it ? for what reason exactly x)

quaint thunder
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Please remove the bosses ability to suck up souls. it's not fair fighting a super warlord just because some noob died to him before i even loaded into the map

jolly leaf
lilac garden
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The crow mechanic is bad, rogue can't stay in high places even with invisibility. The crows will attack you while you are invisible where is the logic in that?

icy knot
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@lilac garden Skull

lilac garden
ripe turtle
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Hmm, how about to able to play instruments while sitting. I'm not talking about Bard buffing, more like QoL. To able to play random tavern music in a dungeon is amazing experience!

icy knot
tawny ivy
icy knot
icy knot
slow arch
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caltrop buff when

eager anchor
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Please make market items keepable for arena, I havent been able to play arena on all my characters this season and it really takes away from the game for me

slate pewter
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you are intended to play HR and find good gear, its helps with cheaters as players will just spend $20 on a shady website to buy enough gold to super bis a kit and eat everybody in the arena

steady harness
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logic behind names doesn't make sense. cant make a character called "DemonGort" but someone on marketplace name is "touchingyourH*** " and ive seen worse

teal pendant
slate pewter
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read the message above mine, he wants to use market gear for arena

slate pewter
steady harness
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must be demon which makes almost no sense as there is demon form warlock GortWiz

teal pendant
slate pewter
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you could be demonicgort

steady harness
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💀

slate pewter
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like i said, weird ass words are blocked and usually names are blocked because of words going together like yours

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but i can have a cleric named "boobygobbler" and its completely fine

steady harness
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maybe in a few years they have time to look at it 🙂

jolly leaf
stark ibex
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account wide mint🙏

jolly leaf
icy knot
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Add possibility to ping character statistics, just like pinging item in a chat.

celest crescent
ashen nymph
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could you guys share stats like you did on the play tests or is it still not possible becoase of the courts @dawn grotto

stark ibex
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yea like the amount of times I find gear for a class different to the one I'm playing drives me insane 🥲

sudden trout
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update test server

jolly leaf
sudden trout
jolly leaf
sudden trout
jolly leaf
coral heron
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Get rid of ppl spawning for the first 5 mins. Let ppl spawn in for the first 3 or untill it hit its old cap. Let the continuous progression continue, keep up with the rematchmaking, just stop the continuous spawning. It's rat central, cannot enjoy the pvp or pve due to limitless thrid party. It's been weeks now, it's not good. @keen onyx stop it, get some help

glass ibex
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its funny how ironmace dont stop to put range classes and abandone melee classes and no fix the melee things, basic ones like hitboxes or anoying dsync

pure monolith
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Lower the damage on long sword parry

jolly leaf
sour parcel
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Can we please have a 5v5 Arena session please. The game needs some new events

deep laurel
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Can warlock get another 1 handed weapon please? I'll take the Warhammer fr. No other class really uses it.

jolly leaf
deep laurel
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They should just add a cool down between activations for ES and not restrict weapons because of it.

jolly leaf
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The idea of this skill is cool but it hard to balance