suggestion-discussion

[compact epoch]

i've played with players that get to 15 completely D rank and have gear transfered to that acc

[civic lion]

I know this is ironic, but IM, please STOP listening to your players. We are all idiots and whiners and know nothing about game design. Just make the game. Every time you listen to us, you make the game worse. I have faith, I hold the line, work your magic and to hell with the haters.

[compact epoch]

its like that saying. Ppl hold their parents to such high standards. but they r just dumb ppl too

[unborn pond]

if your iq is shoe sized simply dont have children

[forest tundra]

can we just have the damn rewards

[wicked grove]

@dawn grotto extend preseason by one hour im so close

[jade jewel]

12days before our character back to level 1? i though today is the day :C kinda sad

[fast hill]

Account wide MMR

[compact epoch]

lol that way u get your gold bag for 2 weeks

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[wicked grove]

Extend Preseason FFS

[compact epoch]

imagine bards have a shriek of weakness they can spam religiously but rogue cant and have a nice smoke pot

[vocal topaz]

It would be nice if the market place had a selection for class as well. I love the market place but sometimes finding class specific items can be a little hard especially when you don't know all the potential item names for a class.

[wicked grove]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536634/extend-preseason

[civic lion]

Have you tried the servers today? It's already offline mode.

[civic lion]

Also, please don't use @ everyone.

[forest tundra]

can we at least have the cosmetic rewards bruh

[short mason]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536654/too-many-queues

To many queues maths, I dont want a PVE game :F

[short mason]

you will get is super quickly once you understand what each stat give you. You can use the Static attribute TAB , it easy that way.

[naive cosmos]

Should I have gotten demigod? Game doesn’t show AP now but season ended during mine and I still didn’t get it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205926656997593138/1212917221551112192/nodemigod.mp4?ex=65f39430&is=65e11f30&hm=6dcec05563903d3077cf2982f24bd35b805b1ba1eaebde1c6c6513ea94028207&

[lapis iris]

Ah fuck I copied it on my phone from my server so it had it on there... thankfully it doesn't actually @ anyone
Thank you for pointing that out lol

[wicked grove]

same

[short mason]

We need the full reaction clip PLEASE!

[hardy vector]

deadest lobbies na

[candid condor]

For the love of god if Sdf is making us play the 3 layered gamemode can we at least have backpacks or something so we have a reason to go to crypts and inferno

[static turret]

Ban lobbyfixers :) even if they are streamers they should be banned, we should put up a petition for this.

[shut crane]

Wait is this why lobby's are dead because of a bunch of losers are lobbyfixing?

[static turret]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1b34tkd/private_streamer_matchfixing_discord_being_used/

[shut crane]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536673/ban-gold-lobby-fixers

[static turret]

LETS GOO

[steep drift]

game is saying pls select dungeon when i have one selected

[civic zodiac]

Remove solo and do.like hunt showdown. Random matchmaking alongside handicap for peoples queuing solo or duo vs bigger team to compensate. No more playerbase spread out and more fair ranked matchmaking would come from it. Imo that would fix many issue especially teaming and an easier time to balance classes

[worn arrow]

emote while sitting please

[sudden scaffold]

I hate the ruins. Please for the love of god, make more ruins layouts so that I can get into the crypts* easier

[idle oak]

Repeal this change:Fixed an issue where players were not properly matched according to their adventurer level.
Our lobbies will not be empty!!!

[rigid coyote]

empty lobby return to old map system plz

[lavish jewel]

if you got wander in solo duos and trios do you get 3 coin bags?

[limber elbow]

The current game is a playground to test the skills of a bunch of hackers. Because there are no more players left, we keep encountering a bunch of hackers from one game to another. The report function is like a non-existent thing. Reporting keeps encountering the same player. qingxiao1 to qingxiao2 and a long line full of qingxiao names, just keep the hacker ban mode for just a few hours like this asking why the game doesn't die

[proud sigil]

Add crystal dagger and a perk to use it for rogue

[meager jasper]

Selection is definitely a step in the right direction IM, but just repeating my suggestion here:

If you want to stabilize a player spread between the different maps, the best thing would be to have a fourth "quickplay" queue (one for each team-size, of course). This queue would give players a small bonus to maybe AP or a slight luck increase. Something tangible but not major, and would randomly distribute them to one of the existing maps' lobbies to rapidly fill them up.

[idle crater]

😮

[simple jolt]

This is a really good suggestion. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536673/ban-gold-lobby-fixers

[next pebble]

upvote if you love casting spells https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536788/wizard-handcasting-perk

[worn pagoda]

I know this could (and probably would divide the player base more), but it would be nice to have a place to take green gear without the threat of running into full purple players

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533449/low-roller-high-roller

[keen karma]

Stack ice caves and goblin caves together with ice caves as first lobby; half the statics going down to goblin. Would help reduce issues with player pools being split as well

[torpid wren]

That would be nice for clerics as well.

[tulip venture]

Day 5 of asking for a complete ruins rework the layout of the map is very conducive to PvP which wouldn’t be bad if there weren’t 2 more maps where PvP should still happen in theory I suggest a deviation from the module style of map building and just actually make ruins a castle that is hard to navigate and has unique intractable features such as being able to hit levers to close doors a couple rooms away to mess with other teams maybe a room you need to bring a key for that has a static hell in it just something that would make ruins feel less W key like

[torpid wren]

Ruins just needs more Tight rooms that makes you fight melee. It's way too range-oriented
No need for that complexity.

[tulip venture]

I think that complexity would add to the dungeon crawler feel and overall enjoyment of the current player base and new players

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[clear sapphire]

Day 1 of asking for there to be a perk which allows rogue to craft charges for smoke pot and caltrops mid game to balance smoke pot and caltrops being borderline useless.

[ruby kestrel]

this game needs to make a move from damage maxxing meta to more utility

[dense kayak]

tumble needs an i-frame and a longer cool down

[patent mauve]

Change Crystal ball so that it doesn't count towards dual wield and slayer bonuses.

[keen karma]

[ruby kestrel]

may the power of magic compel the finest of warriors

[patent mauve]

Id accept +25% PDR and MDR during the whole animation.

[elfin vale]

pretty sure thats the point of the skill, its just unfinished

[vivid summit]

I think ironmace should penalize troubadours who actively cheat harder than regular players. Fixing queues is cheating.

[simple jolt]

Another suggestion for people who are fixing the queues system and abusing lobbies. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536673/ban-gold-lobby-fixers

[hardy vector]

remove the phys power from the spear perk

[late dock]

Im abit tired of gold teams clearing lobbys - suggestion make a random effect apply to the undergeared players that upon death by a gold geared player, they rise up as a Boss, such as warlord, and if they kill the gold team, their team is resurrected 😄

[graceful frost]

Spear perk really isnt that good, the phys power on it aint an issue.

If your dying to melee ranger there is a big issues there

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[brittle crane]

Map selecter, and singles being able to que into groups if open party. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536993/multiple-map-selection-and-selective-solo-fill

[patent mauve]

Torture mastery should be changed to 50% increased spell cost(rounded up) instead of +100%, keep the base heal per tick 1 (0%) scaling, then also make it heal recoverable HP per tick by 1(25-50% Attribute scaling)

[foggy sun]

The warlock right now is so strong, I dont think he needs anything more. They should be focusing on other classes with lackluster options, warlock as it stands can play in so many different ways its kind of crazy.

[deft idol]

Rubysilver adventure tunic when?

I just want a better color shirt

[last escarp]

Probably a tad late but arena should just be to stress test gear you cant loot anyones stuff and you can only bring in stuff you buy or find def should not be like that one other game

[worn canopy]

In marketplace, be able to right click an item in your stash and search it. Every item you sell needs to be researched if you want to make a decent amount of gold off it, so why not add a shortcut? Maybe even include the rolls in the filters, they can easily be discarded.

[tiny mason]

why ruins gone now we cant mine gold 😦

[humble kernel]

Fix the stiletto hit registry please

[idle crater]

what were they thinking limiting the charges, its so fucking bad, every rogue perk that is worthwhile becomes fucking useless

add cursor slow to more weapons, this would be an amazing balancing mechanic

[oblique pewter]

THEY ROLLBACK ME EXEMPLAR 1 WTTTTF

FCK THIS WTF WHERE IS MY DEMIGOD

i make a session of 18h for that the last day and they rollback me WTF PLS

xD wtf like a BIG troll maybe delete the game after that wtf is that

tryhard for a fuking rollback and lose all the work nice

[static turret]

Day 15 of politely asking for catboys 😇

[granite plinth]

has anyone got this running on linux again?

[lucid kiln]

bruh i was reading that one dudes warlock spell suggestions and he deleted it 😭

[lucid kiln]

we need a catboy race

[simple jolt]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536673/ban-gold-lobby-fixers

[lucid kiln]

dm it to me id love to read it

[stable bough]

Support my brothers :
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/537061/lower-the-amont-of-pools-and-terminate-teamers-by-allowing-players-to-group-up-i

[limber dock]

not to agree with the comment, buuuuut

[slow umbra]

thanks ironmace for letting us play solo duo trio as we wish

[subtle shadow]

something wrong with forming a proper team in game?

in rust thats the only way to form teams. but betrayal is part of the game there

[slow umbra]

i mean people who have no life could create a team easily , but what about busy people who cant ?

[limber dock]

ah yes Rust, a survival game where you make bases and improve by crafting better gear and stuff, a very similar game to this one, a dungeon crawler looter

i get the part about betrayal being part of the teaming, so you could always expect it, but the rest? lol

[subtle shadow]

so what is the problem with forming your teams while in game

[limber dock]

That... you'll outnumber anyone playing solo, and it'd be unfair for the whole lobby to get teamkilled, while the only cost being "to maybe get betrayed"? Cause if you want to team so bad, anyone can just ask in the #lfg channels and join people, there's Duos and Trios in the game, yk

[subtle shadow]

yes trios being the mode we are discussing. Obviously teaming in solos is bad, a problem for many a battle royale developer.

[fiery crane]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/537085/new-bard-skill-two-left-hands

Bards desperately need a new skill so that 10-song isnt the only good way to play them. I think this would be a cool way to counter the potion-spamming and francisa-spamming meta we face currently.

[compact plume]

na

[amber flax]

guys can someone hook me up with some heat. if you want of course im just broke

[atomic temple]

no wayy we got our crypts back hahaha

[meager jasper]

I'm happy that we'll get to try some crypts again, since ruins is trash for a majority of classes except full ranged casters and rangers. I never agreed with it being gate-kept behind ruins in the first place and though I like the crypts map, ever since it changed I've basically completely ignored ruins>crypts>inferno ever since it was gated. It's just a pointless risk to go there with the ruins in the way.

I wonder if ultimately they're going to implement fully random map selection like some of their competitors - And for the record I would prefer that a thousand times more than removal of duos or solos or any sort of forcing duos and solos to only one map. It would highlight balance issues with maps though.

[torpid lagoon]

Give us gold ore spawns back plz we can actually all use it to craft now

[lilac yacht]

my game has crashed 4 times in the last 10 games

seriously needa fix its worse than its ever been

nearly 50% of my games crash and its a different kind of crash then ive seen in previous updates. instead of kicking me out everything in game freeses and i can run around

[grave holly]

Please let me change email

[worn pagoda]

Bro make Void Blade do Magic Weapon Damage, would make that weapon infinitely more useful and better

[civic zodiac]

remove circle of death. id rather have like ice cave just a time limit than a circle that get closer and closer. just make things pita for no reason

[peak reef]

From my own personal experience with the game, I think that the matchmaker should be changed for balance issues with PvP:

Normal Can enter with Grey/White Gear, Poor Loot (pretty much the way it is now).
High Roller Can enter with Green/Blue Gear, Decent Loot but no chance to find Legendries, slight chance for mobs to be Elite.
Legendary Roller Epic/Legendary/Unique Items, many Elite Mobs, Chance to find Legendary items.

To solve the match making problem, maps could just be Random instead of you choosing what map to play.

Is not enjoyable when you play with a decent kit of like 2000 gold and you encounter a player with a 20K kit which makes it impossible for you to defeat them making the PvP experience not enjoyable when you have no chance to win a fight against a player simply because his gear set is way superior than yours.

[sterile lily]

add gold coin bags to normal dungeons :(((

[peak reef]

That sounds like a lot of work, I think there should be a game mode more casual friendly that is not just Normal as in HR you mixing up people who may play this game like 4 hours a week with people that play like 40 hours a week

Also the map randomizer could prevent Boss farmers that just play the game map over and over again to grind legendaries to just be extremly rich and even if they are mediocre and PvP just kill people effortlessly thanks to their set, there should just be a filter for people with legendary gear and green/blue for people who just do not do those kind of things.

[peak reef]

That could also work, if normals could be capped to Rare or Uncommon could be actually enjoyable

[tulip venture]

Day 6 and I report that ruins is getting a rework all rejoice!

[spark crest]

[dark silo]

Dear lord the general chat is really something XD....

[spark crest]

yeah kids trolling and ppl mad about it, at this point no way to f around lol

lets get back our topic shall we?
speaking of monk i don't really play dnd much in table so I will just speak in how I image monk suppose to be.
Hope to see something about ki or stamina stuff apply to monk, could use it to self-buff or toward to teammate

maybe some handwrap as glove or eles give them barehand mastery is what Im highly desire to have.
glasscannon sound fun as well but as DaD it seems to hard to build sth like that since ttk too short for melee class

[dark silo]

Uhm so we assuming it will have an unique resource as a combo point system? Am not so sure how they could implement that.
I see it more as a bruisser with high dex high vigor, will be the equivalent of low armor high survi capability.
Hard to belive they will add another heavy hitter on the regard of dex. Too many builds around the theme, maybe am wrong

What am pretty sure is that they will have some kind... spell? we could say, like the bard spells with no actual charges but with a cd system, altho dont know how they will balance that tbh. Just from the top of my head, share ur thoughs 😄

[spark crest]

more like how warlock's shard working, with or without that resource could create different effect, such as each shard increase how a buff duration or effect.
yeah its indeed they're hardly to add hitter in 1 shot meta. As if there are a real bare hand mastery that change attack pattern or action speed for that seems to be fun.
speaking of dex, currently kinda a good build that greater than power imo since the actual DPS greater than str build, not to mention dex also add up a bit of move speed

[spark crest]

idk how they balance thing honestly, they did well to nerf everything to ground earlier then they buff up again. and then other nerf on going, I mean if DaD went dota style balance is something i wanted for long. Why destroy ppl fun instead give them more tool to balance it up

[dark silo]

I mean its a monk, monk are robust due trainning, and yet agile and have finnese with a diff arrey of weapons, but bare hands will be a thing if they have a unique animation as u said, altho that could be problematic, limbs are the least dmg takers of the game, ence u could trade alot by just kcking and punching ur way on the fight, kinda dangerus subject ngl 😒

[spark crest]

don't forget limbs also shortest range in the game atm. not to mention it's zero weapon damage at all only rely on strength. Speaking of weapon thats a indeed they're master in some weapon but what'd you like to see in future? For now only quarter staff seems legit for monk

[dark silo]

Also the Falchion needs a propper rework (visual) there are waaaaaaay better looking kinds out there, like the family branch of the "knight's fall"
Well i see in the future an arrey of more weapons, like a propper staff for them, a curved short sword, and some short dual weapon option select.
That aside... am not sure what could they add to make the class viable on that regard, cuz as u said limbs are short and they are based on STR but again, if they have their own animation and a passive regarding the scale of the fists with some other stat rather than STR it could be viable. Yet to see

[dark silo]

Now that i though about it, we could have the "claws" implemented as a new kind of weapon, there is a kinda of nukles of the Indian family.... cant remember their name, but their main gimick will be described as this "Tigers Paw", its a knucle that has 3 hidden blades that only show up if u close ur fist, that could be an interesting direction.

[spark crest]

Falchion part meaning toward its model or animation? Just googled some image about that thing it does look tradional Persia blade more than how it look on google

[dark silo]

The model, honestly the one we have its... its kinda basic ngl. It will affect the hitbox proportional dmg tho, that thing its widder on the end. Aside from that am good with the stats (kinda op when u have over 40 DEX )

Btw bud wanna grab a table? Kinda tired on my end :/

[spark crest]

you mean voice chat? if you don't mind me speaking in shitty english lol

[dark silo]

XD grab table 1

[upper hearth]

They should probably hide the rolls on crafted items, amazing roles on say a Demons Glee aren't as meaningful or impactful if you can get BIS rolls in a day or two. Also they should make it a bit harder to scale other things such as action speed or damage with Vigor, health and damage should be a trade off.

[graceful frost]

No reason to make people trade off and have less health imo, ttk is way too high so the health is needed

[lucid folio]

they need to either cut the entrance fee for normals solo or increase the amount of points you get in some way,voyager is already a rank to somewhat struggle with points while exemplar will be ubearable

[hot hemlock]

Kill more people

[upper hearth]

I'm fine with there being people with a lot of health, but having a health, health % and damage add on a piece of gear isn't right, it's just widening gear gap between players and taking out the need to really specialise your build. TTK can be high, but it should be if your a glass cannon, what we have right now is Adamantite cannons with 160+ health as a squishy class.

[rare bluff]

@dawn grotto Make curse of weakness a aoe you can deploy before a fight similar to holy aura allowing it to hit mutipable people or a whole team giving actual value.

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[neon meadow]

more scope creep on the project that is attempting to gain a player base that is not ment for this genre

[lapis iris]

I’m sorry?

[lucid folio]

sadly, skeletons do that first few seconds into the round

[neon meadow]

Trying to appeal to a larger audience has already done enough damage to the game's health.

[lapis iris]

What changes did they do that did damage?

[neon meadow]

how about just bad server playability

[lapis iris]

How would that be damage due to them appealing to a larger audience?

[neon meadow]

Let me be less obtuse, GC. Has pretty much ruined the game.

[lapis iris]

Solo queue has indeed divided the community and due to those changes they had to make specific classes more viable solo but you need to also understand that the game is in testing and that these are essential for the games growth.. imagine the amount of people that left because they didn’t have a steady group to play with. I understand that there is a matchmaking system in place but you aren’t exactly going to be enjoying the game nearly as much with them as you would with your own friend group. Most people decided that playing solos was better (not sure if that makes sense I am out having dinner lol)

[neon meadow]

The issue is that they made a choice to gather a larger audience instead of working on the core of the game. Which lead to scope creep that has been too large a bite to chew and as a result every other facet of the game has suffered. Additionally, the pressure has clearly gotten to them and they're fumbling nearly every update.

[lapis iris]

With the test servers coming out I think update in the future will be a lot more controlled. I also think that the trios idea would eventually kill the game due to the reason I stated above. The offline change wouldn’t do anything but help the player count (it could just be a solo experience where you’re locked to one map just so you can understand the combat system without running into anyone) as it stands now the new player experience is terrible and the game is suffering because of it

[neon meadow]

I disagree, having 60K palyers concurrently. Granted steam was a big part of that. That is a far healthier game than we have now. In addition, if the kept trios, we'd more than likely have more evolved classed more of them and a better end game

[lapis iris]

The only reason it got to that point is because of all the new players coming and testing out the game.. plus most metas didn’t exist

[neon meadow]

Meta's started developing after pt 2. Once it got that big jump of popularity people were analyzing the skills and has been prevalent ever since. The reason it wasn't nearly as brutal, was because every class was powerful. Barb wasn't as popular, however landmine rogue solos actually were really healthy for the trios map. Due to the fact they were capable of gutting 1 person ina meta comp

[graceful frost]

it was a like 1 week playtest where balanced issues and metas werent established, I dont think thats a healthy comparison.

The game will def have a ton of concurent players once it goes on steam and gets better, however I don't think it would get to 60k concurrent anytime soon

Also landmine solo rogues were not healthy in any way lmfao

[lapis iris]

The difference is that there were plenty of people attempting to learn the game at that time so they could have the knowledge of metas but not really know how to utilize it

[neon meadow]

in trios, they def were. it stoped one team from dumpstering the whole lobby because the were omega geared

[neon meadow]

I agree with you there.

[lapis iris]

My only thing is that I don’t think that there would be any issue with adding a super limited offline mode for new players to experience the games combat without getting swatted like a fly lol I believe it would build the player base significantly

[neon meadow]

I think you'd just be inviting a player base that wants PvE only. We don't have the offline mode and lots of people want that. I think they should improve the PvE and make it much more of an interaction as opposed to a meatgrinder like it is now (which why i can't understand what ppl like about it so much). That being said, even if that lobby didn't bring anything back to the lobby. The new player experiance is going to be dog no matter what. You have sweaty try hards who will out gear and stomp you no matter what. Practicing in a safe zone is just asking for pain later instead of getting it over with

[frigid current]

crypts is a terrible map in my opinion and i've uninstalled because the game is no longer fun to play for me

the suggestion i suppose is to not limit us all to a single map

[neon meadow]

🤷‍♂️

[frigid current]

just letting the devs know my thoughts
no idea why you're replying to me

[worn pagoda]

Day 1 of asking for Void Blade to have its Magical Damage be changed to Magic Weapon Damage. .89% drop chance for Dark Matter is too low for such a bad niche weapon

[small ibex]

It's actually kinda insane how slow it is to draw out weapons in this agility meta. I've had times where i would go up against rouges and they would run away and throw knifes when i have a sword and shield out but then charge me when i start taking my bow out and then retreating and throwing knifes again when i pull out my sword and shield again. Literally barely any opportunities to get hits on people that run and know how to kite you with agility. If they're right on you and you decide to switch weapons then they get such a gracious window of opportunity to go in on you. Not just rouges, but any class that runs agility. "Just run throwables", surely filling up half my utility slots with throwables is completely healthy for the game.

[devout jasper]

Buff TM so that it makes curse of pain stackable 5 time

[graceful frost]

honestly I agree with this, specifically for void blade. Even if you could scale the dmg getting like 13 mag dmg wouldnt be that broken, its a long sword which is already not a great weapon and also there is a lot of mr sources now, or at least, warlock and barb can both get really good mdr.

[vast echo]

whats going on w map rotation

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[peak reef]

I think could be a great idea to do a Parry rework, instead of having to put the tip of your sword to match the swing it could just be simply a Well Timed parry that could have the hitbox of a shield for just 0.5s and have a 1s cooldown if missed, I also think more weapons should be able to parry not just the Longsword making the melee fights a bit more skill based and not just M1 and whoever has better gear wins.

[small furnace]

Maybe after the game is actually 1.0.

Right now they need to focus on their core audience.

[vestal cloud]

NERF LAMENT OF LIQUAR THAT SHIT IS FUCKING BUSTED AS FUCK IT LASTS WAYYYYYY TOO FUCKING LONG

[lapis iris]

I agree but at the rate the game is going it is likely going to die before then.. we aren't getting hardly any new players

[small furnace]

If we bring in more players from an 'offline' mode, the devs will have to put more effort into that.

I would rather they spend time on the game that I purchased to play than divert their attention. They seem to struggle even now, can't imagine what it would be like if their attention was diverted.

[lapis iris]

It wouldn't need to be anything super complex like making the whole game in an offline mode.. It could be something like the training grounds everyone is asking about that way players can have a chance to learn the game without getting slammed the first match they jump into. It could legit just be a solo ruins only game where you cant go down to crypts giving you time to learn the area and get to understand your class more

[small furnace]

I don't think you understand the development effort required for something like that. I agree with a training room, but nothing more than that.

[lapis iris]

I understand it will take some time but you also need to understand that if the game dies then there will be a possible lack of funding in the future. People are shitting on this game and one of the main reasons is the lack of ability to learn

[graceful frost]

I kinda agree. specifically with resourcefulness stacking, I think its a bit too strong on bard. with 30 all bard buffs and debuffs last like 2x the length or 3x, some crap. A bit strong for debuffs especially.

[limpid prawn]

Unfortunately that would mean that barbarians would need a rework for that system. Double handed weapons would fall off the meta even more than they already have (low swing speed = easy to block)

[stone lodge]

I like the party system how it is now it’s typically sometimes hard to block but is rewarding if you get it

[weary cobalt]

They should make invis pots scale based on knowledge percentage. IE whites at 25% Greens at 50% blue at 100% and purple at 150% so fighters and barbs have to use perfect timing or a high value pot

[graceful frost]

or, just remove them and make them only remove pve agro and boss agro

[fast hill]

Tie cosmetics behind reputation with traders and make multiple different quests to earn reputation with each trader.

Adjust matchmaking to be better influenced by gear.

[vestal cloud]

right? atleast make it a set like 10 secs or 15 secs not be able to go up to like a minute'

[worn pagoda]

Day 2 of asking for Void Blade to have its Magical Damage be changed to Magic Weapon Damage. .89% drop chance for Dark Matter is too low for such a bad niche weapon

[lucid folio]

for the love of fcking god, fix the assassins of warlord randomly spawning behind locked doors, this bs glitch was in the game since the boss got added and it's about time to finally fix it

[icy shore]

a slider for buying large quantities of items plzzz

[foggy cliff]

it would be nice if they brought back one blue portal at the end instead of fighting someone with no way out after you duke it out

[peak reef]

Not really, barbarians could play with their animation to hit faster or slower by moving their body while swinging making it hard to know how to do an accurate parry.

[lucid folio]

give clerics a range option since it's literally the only class that doesn't have it

[vernal imp]

EVERYONE CAN CRAFT GOLD BTW NO GOLD LOLOLOLOL -IRONDADDY

[eternal dock]

Bring back map rotation and/or map choice ASAP, since patch release haven't had a single full west coast raid(almost all have only 1-2 people or zero).

[elder bobcat]

Buy your gold for your gold kits @vernal imp

[light pebble]

remove rogues caltrops buff them and give them to ranger while removing hunting traps

[devout jasper]

thanks god nobody runs full gold kitted anymore it removes any skill in the game

[static turret]

Let us keep crypts please <3

[fiery crane]

Gold gear isnt even BIS, it was just a means to craft oranges.

[limber sinew]

It’s functional BiS. nobody has the time or money to build a full BiS unique set in this game outside of 1-2 pieces.

With gold gear you also get all the random attribute modifiers you could ever want from 4 rolls. 5 roll bis would just be getting a defensive stat on top of all your offensive ones

[fiery crane]

No, its most certainly not BIS. the problem is their choice in gold gear. There isnt even a bard head.

Heavy boots and padded tunic are S tier, as is the rogue/ranger mask.

Reinforced gloves and heavy leather pants are B tier. Most of the golden plate is worthless.

Brave Hunter pants are the best pants in the game hands down. Rubysilver doublet is also really strong.

Everything else (ie all the vigor pieces) are good, but not BIS. The cape is obviously BIS though.

[opal orbit]

Man ive seen literally nothing but ppl who were teamkilled for gear every time i come to this DC the last few days. Ironmace your game is falling apart and you wanna introduce RANDOM MATCHMAKING TO THIS?
Yea if its just a Dumpster fire now, cant wait to see the whole LANDFILL light up with that one

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[tough willow]

Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahah

[civic zodiac]

why laughin. this is actually a good idea. would not hurt any1 to have an offline mode to learn rope and test things outside of the real server

[worn arrow]

Isn’t that the point of normal mode? Why do you need an offline mode for that?

[civic zodiac]

some peoples learn faster without pressure. testing things without having to worry about pvp and being able to change some setting to ease the learning process.

[worn arrow]

That’s building out a new portion of the game catered to the 10% rather than focusing on beneficial additions such as actually building out Druid class. There shouldn’t be pressure in a regular match where you cannot bring in gear and no ap is gain or loss. PVP is also part of the game and learning process, I feel like removing it would hinder people learning the whole aspect of the game

You want to purposefully take out 75% of the game to make learning easier?

[civic zodiac]

no i just want people with low skill to be able to learn the game and have the playerbase grow significantly

[worn arrow]

If you have low skill, how do you learn to get better if you’re taking out the one piece of the equation where skill matters?

[civic zodiac]

you guys act like every new player should be served as food for experimented one. some peoples need it. i dont but i know peoples that stoped playing because they could not get anywhere.

[worn arrow]

Anyone can learn a mob attack pattern. And pvp goes way deeper than a skill thing. Also teaches you what’s important to build on your characters and how to play as a team

If you quit the game that fast an offline mode won’t help that. There’s a learning curve definitely but you cant expect anyone and everyone to play games of this nature.

[civic zodiac]

when someone start playing and get stomped by overgeared player. lot will call the game a piece of garbage and quit

now with the new gear cap it dont happen. but i lose many friend that could have loved this game that will no longer even try it because of that. starting and get unfair matchup while they try to learn basic stuff like how to not get killed by wolves.

[worn arrow]

If you’re playing a normal game, not HR, how are you getting stomped by over geared players every game?

[lapis iris]

If you read the post you’d see that my reasoning behind adding such an addition to the game would expand the player base exponentially allowing for more testing and better funds. One of the biggest player complaints right now is the lack of players in the game and with adding something that “caters” to your casual gamer you would be making more of positive rather than a negative impact on the game. Not everyone has access to endless time on the game due to reasons such as kids, wife, Job, and etc. realize that for some people playing a game for 3 hours and dying to trial and error isn’t the most fun thing in the world lol and just telling them. Again the main point though is building the player base and as the game stands right now we aren’t getting any new players

[civic zodiac]

before yes it was always the case. now its not. but still the learning process need to be done and some players like to test shit on single player

on every game like ark when new map and stuff come out i always test it single player to get used to it. it just make things so much more conveniant and confortable. that take literally no effort to dev to just add map on single player

[lapis iris]

With normal lobbies a lot of it has to do with class + skill rather than gear and still when it comes to new players the experience is still the same

[lapis iris]

I understand your argument but if the game keeps going the way it is now we’re going to have a dead game..

[worn arrow]

I just feel like it would be wasted time and energy to try and build out an offline pve only “game mode” to bring in more new players when I feel like an additional class or something of that nature would bring in just as many new players. I don’t think offline mode is as easy as y’all think to build. How does bringing in gear work? What about bringing it out? HR or normal mobs inside? Bosses? Just so much for such a small % of player base

How much time are these “casual players” going to put in in order to be prepared for the real came?

[lapis iris]

A new class might bring a group of players for a small portion of time but the experience is still the same. I am not saying it’s going to be easy but the game is still in testing so these changes are part of building the game. The point is to allow players to experience the game for what it is before getting spawned rushed by players or never getting out due to the circle closing in and getting them sandwiched

[upper hearth]

Limit the number of throwables brought into a game. 20 Fransiscas or throwing knives isn't really fun for anyone.

[hot hemlock]

Its fun for whoever brings em

[worn lava]

The arena mode needs to be put together in a way. When you queue up you can somehow pick a setup the devs have put together for each class. I think if you make it so that people can bring in gear it's going to be the same issue as in Hr if you don't bring in enough gear, you're going to lose arena mode only works when you have the same gear across the board

[graceful beacon]

maybe have gear before the game starts where you can build your own little kit. would make it so you still have the ability to build a kit but it's still fair

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[edgy mason]

Opinions on this: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/537481/recharge-smoke-pot-with-damage ?

[granite dagger]

would a cantrip on spellbook left mouse similar to magic missile but alot less damage and scaling for clearing mobs be a bad idea

[dry glacier]

An armory room filled with white only gear, then in the actual arena area are higher quality gear to fight for. Be like finding a Spartan laser or rockets in halo

[graceful beacon]

ooh I like that idea

[vagrant matrix]

What about a mobile app for marketplace

That way we can gear up and sell loot when we may not have access to our pc (lunch break at work etc) and dive right in at home

[kindred acorn]

I would love a shared stash across characters, like to be able to share looted quest items or some gear that would be good on one of your characters but not the one you are currently playing, it just makes sense to me for questing especially since if I want to play a different character and I find a really rare quest item it's pointless not because it won't be looted if I give it to my other character that I'm mainly questing on. It wouldn't be like all of the stash is shared just like an internal trade stash for your characters or something could even be as small as the old trade window or something.

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[round yarrow]

I think we should add more variety and class identity to rogue, one way of doing so would be a Poison Utility wheel where you get more Value out of your Q/E as you can see below

Rogue Poison Wheel

• Wound Poison - Reduces active and incoming healing by 50%
• Mindeater Poison - On - Hit applies disoriented effect and reduces action speed by -10%
• Venomous Poison - Deal 20 Magical Damage on hit over 5 seconds, scales with Magical Power/ add magic/ true magic.
• Ice Veins Poison - 25% slow for 4 seconds upon hit
• Atrophy Poison - Reduce targets physical power by 30 % for 5 seconds
• Corrosive Poison - Replaces Weakpoint

Of course these aren’t perfectly balanced but they increase the value a rogue brings in team play and increases viability in solo without being too oppressive

How to deal with invis?

• Shadowmeld - Not true invis, similar to active camo in Halo. Can only move in areas of Darkness. must stealth in an area of active darkness, thrown Torches , lanterns and Magical Light break Shadowmeld. Shadowmeld lasts for 25 seconds with a 30 second cooldown.
• Perks: Flame Thief - When activating Shadowmeld near active torches they immediately are put out by a magical gust of wind and you gain access to Shadowmeld
• Perks: Shadow Vault - While in Shadowmeld you may target an area of Darkness to teleport to, the range is limited to range of sight or perhaps a unit of distance for balance reasons each activation decreases the total time of Shadowmeld by 5 seconds.

Option 2: Combat Spec

• Duelist Mastery - Rogues can equip Arming Swords & Maces in their Main Hand with a bonus to Action Speed & Damage to Main hand. Cannot use Shadowmeld
• Duel Wielding - Incentive to use and offhand, Fighters have this already.
• Finesse - Ability to block with two weapons
• Active Ability - Deadly Thrust - Your next main hand attack inflicts bleeding dealing 5 damage over 10 seconds.

Just an idea of what Rogue could be VS what it is now considering how awful it is to balance.

[modern night]

.. Just use Magic Missle?

[devout jasper]

nice ideas obv not very balanced for some but it's a start

[dark dust]

give orcs nipples

[solid geyser]

ORCS DESERVE NIPPLES TOO!

[potent sonnet]

ORCS NEED NIPPLES

[upper vault]

I got an idea for HR balancing in lobbys so nakeds don’t get in the same dungeon as giga kitted teams :

For each rarity of items add an IP (item power) level and make so people with same IP are matched together instead of just being ranked based. This simple change would already balance the lobbys by a lot and also permit people with lesser gear to enjoy the game, and would also solve the problem of people runing named weapons being bothered by nakeds smoke pot rogues .

As a balance for the leaderboard i’d suggest kills give more ap than they does so people would actually be more inclined to pvp instead of just pve and bossing. This change could also separate the players that are really there to pvp from those who just enjoy pve and kills boss for actual loot and not as just a task to win more ap

[granite plinth]

hi, i've recently been killed by my own teammate and i was wondering if there is any action i could take against this kind of behavior. perhaps a way to submit a ticket to ironmace about the issue.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214497960549679115/1214498207573213194/image.png?ex=65f95498&is=65e6df98&hm=c205442e1e652da15fc1a7566bf76abcaa2d6d1a32f2a2109271450c173ac09e&

[torpid wren]

The Red name should say plenty :))

There's no issue, it's just your issue for teaming with the guy

[torpid wren]

Make Cleric heals deal damage to warlock.

Cleric should be the counter to the warlock class but in reality it isn't. Please vote this here:

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/537546/make-cleric-heals-deal-damage-to-warlock

[granite plinth]

up until lately colored names have just been a cosmetic. you make your friends downvote or upvote you but don't worry i've taken notice. however i must say there should be a way in game to report this kind of behaviour on the report panel.

[torpid wren]

That's fair I guess, if they want the colored names to be taken seriously they should allow red names only for newly formed teams that are killed by someone, but I think they have other more pressing matters on their hands

[polar temple]

Can we get the devs to change demigod color to red? It looks similar to neophyte

[worn pagoda]

Day 3 of asking for Void Blade to have its Magical Damage be changed to Magic Weapon Damage. .89% drop chance for Dark Matter is too low for such a bad niche weapon

[worn pagoda]

As good as this sounds, it will make dead lobbies inevitable. And potentially make the ping of other users insufferable if all you are is connecting to is similar gear. I will take smokepot rogues all day if it meant that I don't have to be in a dead lobby again. So boring.

[upper vault]

lobbies are already dead anyways or full of nakeds

[worn pagoda]

Exactly, they are already dead. It will only make the issue worse

[elfin vale]

reminder that rogue has just been nerfed for the 5th time consecutively, last buff was november 30th - over 3 months ago

rename rogue to victim

[worn pagoda]

So, I'm just confused on why it was nerfed this time. It was already not an amazing class, fun but not amazing

[ashen pike]

limit the amount of ALL consumables/throwables able to bring in

make it have to be a decision if you want to bring in more heals or more throwables or whatever

[ashen pike]

i'd prob be done if this was the case, removes the risk/reward factor of bringing the good gear in in the first place

if anything is ever needing to be done about incentiving to not go in naked would be to add better/more rewarding incentives for staying until the end, or at least until later in the dungeon

[raw knoll]

Bard was nerfed like 18 times i think

[upper vault]

you dont need stuf to survive in the dg wtf you can go hell hr and clear with a basic rapier dude

[ashen pike]

how many gear people you gonna kill w/ that basic rapier?

[upper vault]

no one but thats not the point you made

[ashen pike]

it is literally, the exact point i made

[upper vault]

no

[ashen pike]

by bringing in the good gear, you have an inherent risk that no one in your lobby happens to be wearing an equivalent value kit, risk

[upper vault]

and how is that beneficial to the game?

[ashen pike]

the reward, is that you have a chance to have an advantage over the other players in the lobby, depending on how much you risk bringing in

it is a core part of the game lol, like wat?

[upper vault]

yea and you take that big risk taking named weapons to have 0 rewards because others are naked

[ashen pike]

explain how having an advantage over the nakeds is 0 reward

[upper vault]

if i have to explain that to you i might just leave actually good bye

[ashen pike]

ok cya

[raw knoll]

Cause it doesnt matter if you kill them? They have no loot

[ashen pike]

so as per the 2nd part of my statement, increase the rewards/incentives for getting further into the dungeon

this will make people actually want to gear up, to have the best chance possible of defeating others, to get to the end

[raw knoll]

I think there is plenty reward, but clearing naked lobby early and then just pve for 30min sounds way more boring than fighting geared players and dipping with their gear imo

[ashen pike]

apparently not enough reward if yall are still having full lobbys of nakeds

[round yarrow]

Thx G! I hope they go a better direction with rogue as a whole

[dark silo]

Ah WoW much XD?

[dark silo]

And yes exactly what we need, the class with more than 19 perks, to have even more. Pls focus on the balancing of classes that are Bi-dimensional like cleric, 10Sloot or front, with a total amount of 9 perks some of them being utterly useless unless specific scenario or rather straight up not worth compared to a defensive one.

[round yarrow]

Wdym? Poison wheel removes the need for rupture and weakpoint as actual skills while current perks related to stealth would be removed as it doesn’t work with shadowmeld. Remove hand crossbow mastery, remove creep and perhaps make silent steps an active ability to use with combat spec since you cannot use shadowmeld. Idk it seems much better than what we have now. Rogue as of now can either Landmine or Hand crossbow build which is just as cringe as Landmine

[round yarrow]

Yes an ex-WoW enjoyer lol

[nimble sigil]

just change hide

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[nimble sigil]

Reads like chat gpt
This is not a pve game
It cannot function as a pve game
There are plenty of great dungeon crawlers that are pve only out there right now. This takes away from the core identity of what the game is and makes it stale and repetitive.

[lapis iris]

I’ve been told that before lol it could just be an offline mode like Tarkov has where people could have time to learn without needing to fight players (nothing saves in offline mode in Tarkov in case you aren’t familiar with it)

[nimble sigil]

Pve in this game is strictly easier as lack of gun

Can learn in normal game

[lapis iris]

Maybe for you but a bunch of players actually still struggle with the PVE and a ton of players left because while they were learning they got stomped by experienced players

[lapis iris]

Also what do you mean easier as lack of gun?

[nimble sigil]

Pve has to be balanced in tarkov around guns, here it does not. It is slower and less lethal

[lapis iris]

To be fair I’d say that the PVE in Tarkov is much easier than the ones in Dark and Darker depending on what class you play

[lapis iris]

You don’t have to worry about armor/hp getting in the way with most bots because you could just pop them in the face with any bullet and it’ll likely drop them instantly but in this game you have to learn attack patterns and make sure you have the right move speed in order to dodge their hits. That idea is only if there is just one but if there are multiple enemies it’s a completely different story especially if it’s a new player

[nimble sigil]

The way most people clear hell is they cheese most every mob, bypassing all patterns anyway

[lapis iris]

That isn’t a way to learn though and the devs have already stated that they’re cracking down on all the cheese spots

[nimble sigil]

Until this happens, there are still cheese spots present literally everywhere, though?

The only way to remove cheese really is to make hell just one flat plane with all the mobs on it lol

[lapis iris]

I am talking about the future of the game not the current state

[nimble sigil]

Devs would need to remove all features from the map including doors

[lapis iris]

They’ve made ramps to most cheese spots and made some inaccessible

[nimble sigil]

Doors are cheese spots stairs are cheese spots

Resurrection shrines are cheese spots crawlspaces are cheese spots minor upward elevation changes are cheese spots

[lapis iris]

They will all be fixed in the future with animation tweaks/collision changes

[nimble sigil]

Without removing player collision fully this isnt fixable lol

[lapis iris]

Do you spend most of your playtime cheesing the monsters?

[nimble sigil]

No?

[nimble sigil]

I spend it pvping
Unfortunately, mobs are unavoidable and I need to be able to solo clear hell consistently

[lapis iris]

So you do cheese mobs but PvP outside of that

[nimble sigil]

Yes

If i am clearing hell, I am "cheesing" minibosses

[lapis iris]

How is that fun? Mobs are easy to you because you cheese them but if you had to fight them on the ground would it be as easy as before? My point is that the game is considered a PVPVE game but most people play it strictly for the PVP aspect which is fine but when it comes to learning the game the PVE is hard enough let alone getting rushed by players

[nimble sigil]

If I was not "cheesing" I would just lock them in rooms away from where I am headed

Because unfortunately I need to optimize for speed. More speed more loot more loot more fun. I do not play this game to clear PVE there are plenty of horde sims that do this equally well. The bosses are PVE enough for me.

I am fully capable of fighting them on the ground, I see no point in doing this

[lapis iris]

So if you can’t cheese them then you run away so you can PvP.. you’re proving my point with the concern I had stated above. Adding an offline mode that doesn’t save loot wouldn’t hurt anyone furthermore it would help grow the community and help build a consistent player base

[lapis iris]

Believe it or not there are quite a few people who enjoy the game for the PVE aspect

[nimble sigil]

Great, they can play helldivers or an equivalent game, or just pve in this game as is

[nimble sigil]

Mobs in this game are obstacles, I remove them
I do not derive joy from fighting the same health tank dozens of times a day.

[lapis iris]

The Dark and Darker fan base loves gatekeeping… again as I have said the game is going to die at the rate it is going with the lack of new players and with the new player experience being so miserable. An offline mode wouldn’t hurt anyone in anyway but rather it would again grow the number of players yet instead of everyone agreeing on something beneficial we instead argue that it would be dumb to do so. When did you get into this game if you don’t mind my asking?

[nimble sigil]

It would cut down the playerbase, increase matchmaking pools. It is not beneficial to me. It is negative to me. It actively would harm me

This is closer to a pvp game than a pve game.

I started actually learning and trying to get better with early access release. I started playing for fun with pt4.

[lapis iris]

I see so I am thinking of the game but you’re thinking of yourself. The devs have said that they’re making a PVPVE game not a PVP game
Understand that I said it would be an offline mode that doesn’t save anything meaning it wouldn’t be a viable way to just play the game.. so people would just play it for their first couple of games and then move on the the actual servers

[nimble sigil]

I am not thinking of myself, but the larger pvp community as pve gets stale
This is a pvpve game. You cannot remove pvp. I am not advocating for the removal of pve

[lapis iris]

Read what I said again please because I think you keep missing it.
Have you played Tarkov or do you know what the offline mode is?

[nimble sigil]

Yes

I understand you are saying noone would keep anything. You know, hopefully, as well as I do that people would still queue exclusively that.

[lapis iris]

Nowhere near enough to be harmful and on top of that the game would still rack of sales and eventually people will get tired of doing that with no gain and decide to migrate over to the main game

[nimble sigil]

Because even now people have been queueing exclusively normals for 90 days, and getting comparatively no rewards. The patch that added lowroller rankings made peak hours NA hr lobbies the emptiest I'd seen.

With the low population on this game any such dilution is significant and there isn't any other trio lobbies to queue at this time, and they still do not fill with players.

[lapis iris]

That honestly was due to the solo and duo queue being added and the lack stability of the servers

[nimble sigil]

It's currently happening

[lapis iris]

And the servers are still dead lol

[nimble sigil]

You're asking for a mode that removes PVP from a PVPVE game.
This game does not function without PvP
This is like having cycle without PvP
You would play for quests? For what purpose?
For the longest time, hell was empty in all games. You could go down twice and fight noone and just PvE. You dont need seperate mode

[lapis iris]

They could just lock it on a single map and now allow the ability to advance deeper into the dungeon

[nimble sigil]

Why?

Just play the game and avoid pvp, if that's what you want.

[lapis iris]

The purpose is to allow players to get an understanding of their class and understand basic monsters not to change the whole game. I don’t want people going through the whole game in PVE mode I just want new players to have less of a hard time with their first 5-10 matches so we have more people playing the game

[lapis iris]

Have you ever been chased in the game? Avoiding PVP isn’t an option when you’re learning the areas and still don’t know what you’re doing

[lapis iris]

This Change isnt for me it’s for the amount of players that left due to not having a chance at learning the game

[nimble sigil]

Yes, i avoided a trio in hr hell solo when they knew i was there.

Am not rogue either, no invis.

[lapis iris]

You’re talking about one experience

[compact trench]

I recommend that you make it possible to change the region again, in my region (Brazil) there have not been full lobbies for weeks, and before this change they were almost always full (with people from the United States too but it does not bother at all) . In more than 20 trio games I have not met people who are not defaulted, and there are almost always two or three people per lobby, do something.

[nimble sigil]

No, I can do this repeatedly
I have done this repeatedly

[lapis iris]

So you’re pretty average then?

[nimble sigil]

Correct

[lapis iris]

What about the below average bracket then?

[nimble sigil]

If I can avoid a chase, everyone can avoid a chase.

MMR matching works really well. In this below average bracket the few games I have played we wiped full gold teams consistently with like mid blue gear.

[graceful frost]

Half of this is its end of wipe, also the ping lock needs to stay. Game was filled with cheaters and rmters for a specific region, still is

[lapis iris]

You can simply make a new character and your MMR level resets and also don’t just assume since you can do something everyone else can

[nimble sigil]

Since I'm average, that is exactly what that means. The people who smurf in sub pathfinder are worse than average, and that is why they do it. They belong in that lobby

[compact trench]

i understand that its end of the wipe, but it was before that change and it was more people on my region too so, thats the problem

[grizzled gull]

that is a different game

[nimble sigil]

^^

[peak reef]

Let us see damage dealt to players + make it clear to identify if a player is carrying Epic/Legendary gear, is really tiring to not know what are your ods in a fight just randomly dying to a guy you thought you were having a close fight just to realize he had full legendary gear set and you barely even did any damage, could let us choose our fight wisely and spare frustration.

[nimble sigil]

You can distinguish epic and legendary gear

[peak reef]

How tho

[nimble sigil]

By the cleanliness of its appearance. I can consistently tell weapons apart, and armor is a little harder but still doable

[peak reef]

I can barely see the difference.. couldnt it be a bit more detailed like different colours?

[nimble sigil]

Well, that's part of the point. It's a skill you learn, along with being able to count damage.

More importantly, gold and uniques are super obvious

[peak reef]

How can you count damage? it just feels kind of random, perhaps we should just have access to that information to make it easier for everyone?

[nimble sigil]

So you can avoid this easily, like you said, and know your odds in a fight

[nimble sigil]

Damage has 0 random to it. You should understand how much your weapons do, if not approximately along with other people's health and ttk. You learn this from clips, seeing how you hit, how much for, and seeing the health people/you lived at.

[peak reef]

But you can not really tell how much exactly health or PDR the opponent has, a small improve in their health or PDr can mean that they could need 1 extra hit to die

[nimble sigil]

This is something you can distinguish by being able to tell what gear they were, whether in pregame or by looking at them.

[peak reef]

But wouldnt you consider this might be a bit not begginer friendly? it could just be simplified by showing damage or health of players

[nimble sigil]

This game isn't beginner friendly

For beginners, they do not need to worry about it
Focus on hitting the other one more than he hits you

[peak reef]

Hm.. I still think even if you count your damage, try to guess what aprox PDR your opponent has, looking at each specific gear piece to approximate their vigor basing yourself with the class their playing and their base vigor stat and then with a lot of precision identify which tier each of his gear piece is to approximate how many hits you would need to deal to that player or if you stand a chance against that particular class... I mean I guess if you play this game everyday a lot of hours you do not see any problems with that, but for many people who can not play this game that often and can not reach that level of experience can get frustrated due not being able to identify their odds in a fight as for me is what happens most of the time I just get killed by players that overgear me by a incredible ammount of wealth in their kits and is off puting for me to even fight players when I go blind in a fight not knowing which are my ods, while in Normals is usually more fun as you do not get those players with ridiculous stats that just push you and M1 and win.

[nimble sigil]

You dont need to do anywhere near super precise calculations, if you choose not to. You need to

1. Hit a dummy on the head
2. Play every class in the game

Thus you will know how low people are. You can kill overgeared players who do not know what they are doing by playing smart, especially on characters like fighter with shield and longsword if they engage you in melee.

[formal valve]

Sounds like skill issue..

[formal valve]

This game is not easy or beginner friendly. Good luck

[small furnace]

Don't necessarily think showing damage numbers is a 'beginner friendly' mechanic, just takes a lot of the guess work out of fighting. You can KIND of estimate what someone is wearing to a mid-high degree of accuracy but having damage numbers would just make it entirely obvious if you're outmatched or not.

I'm aware most people don't like the idea but I wouldn't mind some kind of mechanic that shows damage to players in the game, even if not damage numbers.

[nimble sigil]

I think a post death damage screen is solid, and I think the death cam helps a lot with this

[small furnace]

Post damage screen wouldn't really fix the 'have no idea if who I'm going up against is 85% PDR' problem, but it would definitely help people learn from their deaths and decrease the inaccuracy of estimations

[nimble sigil]

You want like a bloodied state?

[small furnace]

I suggested that in the past yeah

[nimble sigil]

I think this works, just needs to work exactly like bloodied is

[small furnace]

Below 50% HP you look damaged (cuts n bruises etc) pretty shrimple

[nimble sigil]

Do not want several tiers just are they below or above half

[small furnace]

Just below half is fine with me, if gives you a good idea if you are even a match for the player. If you hit a fighter 10 times and he's not bloodied best just leave.

[nimble sigil]

Yep, makes sense to me

[fathom bolt]

ive thought about this but i think warlocks would look kinda wack

just casting and then accumulating bruises lol

[small furnace]

warlock problem tbh

[subtle shadow]

Reflect friendly fire dmg to the attacker? What do you think

[neon hawk]

Buff rogue please buff his bald head he needs some hair 🙏

[static turret]

day x of asking for catboys

[sudden mason]

been havin fun in norms, pushing pvp. love having that even playing field, fights are longer and dont feel one sided. but in high roller with the gear difference and even with just how strong classes are allowed to get , makes the ttk way too fast. I really feel like it should be the other way around.. if youre weaker/not geared you should die faster in a fight, if you're kitted out even against another player those fights should be longer bc theres more on the line. I think we get too many damage buffs with better gear and more stats and not enough defensive things.. innate hp and resistance on stuff (imo) Also, havnt been playing as much as I used to so may be a lil out of touch

[sudden mason]

that would be dope, shows how powerful the warlock is he's literally destroying his body to cast the dark magic... and regenerating it

[pine comet]

Wizards looking like an eggplant after a barbarian punches them once

[devout jasper]

totally agree the ttk is atrociously fast like 1 or 2 shots sometimes isnt fun

[civic zodiac]

missing ice cave

[devout jasper]

why not a dagger mastery for the warlock

since you know all the warlock lore with sacrificial dagger or idk could be cool

[elder bobcat]

Nah we need Crystal sword mastery

[devout jasper]

oh yeah could be cool too

the crystal sword feels very underwhelming atm imo the magic staff isn't being used the way it should like the magic staff meta was supposed imo to be with the crystal sword

[torn hazel]

Yes magic fighter is the way

[inland haven]

Maybe no casts but increased damage? More Magical damage specifically but still neutral between phy and mag

[devout jasper]

Yeah some magic dmg like the staff but without cast

[glacial sphinx]

Staff mastery should just be called "Battlemage" and apply to all twohanded weapons. It would still be better for a staff than it is for CS but at least it'd be closer and not limit options so much

[hallow flare]

Fax

[gloomy anchor]

im so over ruins.........

[tall surge]

Please limit the number of blues purples and legendaries you can bring into a raid per character. Otherwise the gear gap is too wide. Throwing axes should be removed from the game and make horseman and hatchet throwable for Barb only. Make a new skill or perk for it and make the animation reasonably long. Also make normal lobbies more profitable but don’t drop gear above common. Otherwise winning pvp is a net neutral gold wise at best. Also add a perk for fighter that makes two handed weapons actually viable. Like a movement speed buff if you wear plate and no shield in both weapon slots. Smoke pot should have a cool down of 120 seconds per charge maybe more. Gold gear looks ugly. Also I loved the new map the challenging mobs actually makes me feel like crawling through a dungeon instead of a theme park. I love this game and appreciate the work you guys put into it. I can’t wait for the next update fuck NEXON love you guys. Also forgot to say I don’t play a lot of magical classes so idk how these will effect them

[twilit jetty]

what if normals was green and below? it would make green items have a worth, might make early game gear collecting worth. i would say the best time to test would be now for it

[lethal trail]

ppl wld just run full copperlight and pubstomp norma

[twilit jetty]

i suppose that could be a slight issue but i dont think its just a straight up win 100% of the time and it allows for a simplifed build system for people learning the game as alot dont know what stats are best so letting them play around with greens which have 1 additonal stat roll

minus the copper light which has that 1% ms bonus, but it also makes that have a use as if im not mistaken no one would run that with decent-bis as its just outclassed by higher rarities
i also think this would let people who either dont have as much time or want to get into a raid quick would let them build up a decent (green kit) with like no investment/minimal investment due to green gear only having one roll means it will be cheap even if in demand

[hallow flare]

The whole point of norms is that only allowing whites takes away any variability from what you can’t see. There are no random rolls, so you always have almost all the info on whether or not you should take a fight or not. Because of this, greens should never be added, and tbh you shouldn’t even be able to get them imo if norms is going to be the primary skill based ranked PvP mode

[twilit jetty]

all im trying to say is now would be the best time to try it as most people are in norms its currently a testing period im not saying if its going to be the primary skill based pvp mode im just saying its worth a test while they can

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[glacial sphinx]

cause they like to pretend to be one, while being just fine

[main ridge]

Rogue isn’t a victim
(Nerfs rogues smoke pot) auuh fak

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/537824/magic-lock

[limber sinew]

That would make csword completely op, the magical damage scales with how much +additional magic damage or +true magic dmg you have on your set, so not only will it make your weapon hit 11dmg harder but also your BoC and dark reflect will deal more dmg as well

[worn pagoda]

Day 4 of asking for Void Blade to have its Magical Damage be changed to Magic Weapon Damage. .89% drop chance for Dark Matter is too low for such a bad niche weapon

[azure vine]

Doesn’t demons glee have the same useless magic dmg static roll?

[nimble sigil]

Makes poison hurt, though

[sudden mason]

IDEA! Wandering boss in the crypts. Only spawns if you activate the rights things, like levers or puzzles, which could be spread around the map.. Which means for one person to spawn the boss it would be pretty hard but if multiple players in the dungeon want the boss to be spawned they could each do one of the steps, probably the closest to their spawn and hope other players do the same! Also have the boss either be able to open doors, or phase through them like a ghost, so he can wander and look for players.. also maybe have a special condition for breaking its aggro since it can follow thru rooms....

[fathom bolt]

Remove torture mastery double spell cost, its better at most gear levels to use health potions and just not bring the perk due to the downside. The 0.15 scaling makes the healing very tame compared to what it used to be.

[elfin vale]

🍅

[hallow flare]

Buff rogue strength, and take rapier away to compensate. That’d be a good start, rogues really shouldn’t have reach in melee combat anyways, with how much speed they have too

[granite plinth]

Hear me out, what if there was a solos game mode, where you could become a team with other random players in game. Like you could join up in the raid

[civic lion]

If wiz can lock doors, when is rogue going to get to boobytrap doors and chests?

[terse lark]

Real

[compact epoch]

@dawn grotto Hydra trips traps?

[civic zodiac]

Wtb ice cave back

[timid palm]

lower the fucking health of mobs this is stupid and lower the fucking sound of mobs if anyone hears you they just fucking run at you trying to get you before the mobs do

[civic zodiac]

Game is made for trio. They should adjust game diff depending on team size

[timid palm]

this game starting to feel like mario maker with how many hidden traps there are that aren't on the map

arrows going through walls so cool

[pine comet]

Add testicular torsion spells when?

[cunning mica]

need a testicular torsion spell ASAP

[orchid cypress]

Game sucks

[small ibex]

nerf the bear traps please. just have it be a full second stun and then you move at 80% reduced movement speed i beg you

[civic zodiac]

Agree

[fiery portal]

equipment at merchants for free on test server

[glacial sphinx]

Think Magic Lock should be changed in the following ways:

1. Duration reduced to 12. Charges reduced to 6. (Its too long vs people who have no door break)
2. Door takes 1 extra hit to break while affected by Magic Lock (makes it more consistently useful vs all classes)
3. Range high enough that you might cast it on a door in front of an enemy that's running away from you to trap them.

I believe that without changes along these lines the spell will be too annoying for those it works full duration against, and too useless against those who can break doors instantly. That will probably mean the spell isn't picked over other options except to troll/grief.

[abstract stirrup]

We need Faster animations/combat/movement, longer/slower TTK and in game time. what i mean is more connected animations, faster combat(in animations) and movement, less damage and TTK is longer and a longer in game time so fights don't feel forced in the test server

[civic zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/ark-ark-ice-cave-ice-cave-raid-ark-meme-gif-26906441

[granite plinth]

idk what theyre testing in the test servers.... one crappy spell?

[granite plinth]

ive been saying this for a while some of the wall spikes are just placed sadistically with no rhyme or reason and not even marked on the map. no one wants to have to remember the location of 150 wall spikes.

[civic lion]

Suggestion: vertical and horizontal turning speed cap that scales with agility. A tank should not be able to pirouette like a bloody ballerina.

[worn pagoda]

Day 5 of asking for Void Blade to have its Magical Damage be changed to Magic Weapon Damage. .89% drop chance for Dark Matter is too low for such a bad niche weapon

[dim yacht]

It would be super helpful (especially for bard) if you could set the starter items to customised gear spots.
For example, rearrange the order of instruments/potions/torch etc to the high priority pieces.

[worn pagoda]

^

[dim yacht]

QOL separate thought:
When switching to a new instrument and pressing right click, if an appropriate song for that instrument is not selected, it could auto select the highest in the spell list by default.
this would mean you never switch to an instrument and delay on song switching.
for example, I only run 1 flute and Lute song, so seems silly to have to manually select it when switching to those instruments.

[worn pagoda]

Eh, that just seems less like quality of life and more optimization for people that pick songs in specific orders. It should definitely force them to pick their song, especially for the long duration songs

[dim yacht]

even in the instance of an instrument with only one song in your spellbook?

[worn pagoda]

Yes

Bard is already good enough and picking a song takes .1 seconds to do, there is no problem with the current system

[dim yacht]

its not meant to be a buff ahah. its just QoL for the ones that you only have 1 song set...

[worn pagoda]

It would be a buff though. If you only have Shriek of weakness, you would no longer need to pull out your flute and pick the song, you would just immediatly play. It's balanced this way so that if you rush and panic, you are bound to mess up, but if you keep a cool head you will be fine

[dim yacht]

I understand it would be a buff in that sense.
i am not sure I agree 'it is balanced this way' the pressure is meant to be on the playing of the song surely not the selection?
All im saying is, in the example of pulling out instruments that only have one possible song avaialble to you, it seems silly to have to select it

[worn pagoda]

There is no pressure, it's a rhythm mini game. The pressure can come from a multitude of things, but if you are mid combat trying to play shreik for yourself or your team and you fumble the ball because you instead accidentally picked Tranquility... suddenly you have wasted precious seconds because you messed up and panicked; possibly having your frontline killed and now their bard or cleric or wizard has just buffed their team further while you are still in the middle of your song. Even if you only have one song, it doesn't take long to prepare songs literally press whatever Ability button you have chosen and flick your mouse.

Bard is one of the best solo classes anyway, so to give them perfect optimization for placing their spells in specific orders will only exemplify that

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[sly flame]

When wipe?

[compact epoch]

fighter is a better barb ranger and rogue. fighter needs a nerf. Warlock needs a spell cap late game they are immortal. hydra triggers traps and they can heal to full off it? Bards need a song cap. they can spam dmg'ing spell and nerf religiously without consequence? but rogue cant have a working smoke bomb?

[ripe yoke]

only allow max of 4 franys per round at start and 4 knives

[hot wolf]

Make it so you can collect frans and throwing knives from the people you kill with them like arrows.

[humble hearth]

if u get killed by a bard song just quit the game

[pallid bolt]

They're already bringing a feature to limit them along with the quiver system. They originally said this wipe but who knows now, haven't heard anything of it as of recent.

[daring timber]

Breakthough should get a movespeed buff, whether its a % bonus or a 20 flat additional move speed. Make it a viable perk to rival Sprint, it would be more reliable with its shorter cooldown but less speed than Sprint. Right now its just a "get out of a trap" skill that is rarely used

[fathom bolt]

People would just combine it with sprint for 70 MS

[frozen temple]

I was at the bottom and heard the footsteps of several monsters a hundred meters away. I thought they were right next to me, which startled me. The portal was also heard right next to me, but I couldn't find it

[civic lion]

Everything is trash compared to sprint. It needs to be nerfed. Fighters don't need more love right now bro. I realize it's probably boring playing an OP class, but let the devs work on the other classes for now.\

[pure summit]

AI for DaD, thoughts?

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/538072/bring-ai-to-dad-be-the-future-well-train-it

[daring timber]

generally just bored of the game until wipe happens, having fun as war maul cleric, thinking of building an off meta build for ranger. It just happens to be that the most quest progress is on my fighter

[graceful frost]

tf is breakthrough.

[daring timber]

skill that gives you 8 secs of immunity to slowdown effects, wiz's slow, cleric's bind, barb's achilles, etc.

[mellow jackal]

Best use is probably comboing with a cleric teammate using eq

[civic zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/ark-ark-ice-cave-ice-cave-raid-ark-meme-gif-26906441

[short sand]

they could just make it not stack

[gusty wren]

➕

[narrow flower]

BUFF MIMIC LOOT

[rose canopy]

when something is said to happen, and it can not happen for whatever reason then please just say it... these 2 weeks were meant to have "various trials and drastic balance changes." I understand it was a "may occur" thing but there has been 2 changes: map and craft unlocks. I just feel misled as a dad enjoyer

[civic zodiac]

Tbf they should have at least let ice cave as a choice. Crypt is so lame

[stable cloud]

Would it be an idea to have a 9th Character slot available in Character selection that is considered a "Hardcore mode" that when it dies it is instantly deleted. I think this is necessary because I'd like to play all possible characters but with the addition to quests I want all 8 slots saved. With an extra hardcore slot it allows us to try all characters and also have some fun trying the game in hardcore mode without deleting invested in characters

[torpid wren]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1215629709950459934

[deep aurora]

Can the ranger get the "whistling arrow" perk to attract all mobs in range to the arrow?
It would be an ability, or even a arrow type. I think ability would be better to give the ranger more utility.

It'd be good to
-surround a hiding rogue
-Allow you to get to safety easier
-put some enemies between you and Chad's chasing you

All in all a generally good perk. Balance it by giving the ranger a set number of whistles.

[twilit jetty]

what about magical arrows, lmao would give use to the ranger which has true/add magical damage on it lmao

[hidden pier]

This guy knows

[hidden pier]

How would you code this though? They wouldn’t lose aggro or would it reset aggro?

[deep aurora]

I'm not a programmer. Lol

But I'd imagine it would put the arrows whistle at the top of aggro when they hear it. Have it last for x amount of time, then they go back to their normal pathing.

So I guess reset.

[hidden pier]

I understand you not being a programmer I’m not either it’s just that it seems really difficult to code because you cannot aggro onto a arrow you’d have to revamp tons of stuff

[deep aurora]

It would depend on shot placement I guess. The lasting for x amount of time would be investigating.

[twilit jetty]

you can if the arrows which leave the bow are counted as an entity but its unlikely it would work properly

[deep aurora]

They already are an entity correct? You can interact with them

It's not the arrow, it's the whistle, you program a whistle, that attaches to an arrow.

[twilit jetty]

im assuing so

yeah but you would need the enetity for the mobs to get that interaction with the whistle as im assuming the way it would work is a set area around the arrow which is the "whilste" and from that it causes the Mobs to aggro towards it at which point when the arrow hits something the whistle stops which would cause the ai the lost aggro

[deep aurora]

And programing in investigation time.

[twilit jetty]

if thats what they want

[deep aurora]

I think it's in line with what I was talking about, especially for sneaky bois.

[twilit jetty]

adding investigation time its not too difficult its the main function of it which is the complex section as the for the investigation time it can be done (this is not the progamming way just explaning way) one arrow stops whislte stand for x time then move back to a starting postion in x time or just go the deagrro way and say after x mobs lose aggro and they start to wonder towards the pathing anyway

[worn pagoda]

Day 6 of asking for Void Blade to have its Magical Damage be changed to Magic Weapon Damage. .89% drop chance for Dark Matter is too low for such a bad niche weapon

[torpid wren]

That only works for tik tok

[worn pagoda]

👍

[torpid wren]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1215677315288277012

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[long girder]

W

[long girder]

Its time to address the real issue in this game MOVESPEED why a barb whos bulky as f is faster than a rouge? This is something i witnessed and its ridiculous level the playing field and make base movespeed the same for everyone and remove movespeed all together and make it weight based for A. Realism B. Better gameplay and C. Adds other opportunity for more spells and unique items that could add benefits such as move speed

[outer lotus]

But barb isnt faster than rogue tho. You gotta spend more money than a rogue would on gear to be faster than a rogue

[long girder]

While true still shouldnt be like that

[outer lotus]

I personally disagree, if i saved up some gold and want to build a speedy kit, i should be able to

And to be fast asf, tanky, and strong it takes hella gold, i think its a good balance. A come up to whoever can kill that

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[warped horizon]

Very tired of being juggled by spider mummys pls fix 🙂

[long girder]

Gotta disagree but ey i respect your opinion homie i just think move speed should be balanced by weight

[narrow flower]

ADD EMOTES WHILE SITTING WOULD BE SO IMMERSIVE

[meager jasper]

No it wouldn't. Everyone who says this literally doesn't understand the basic loop of the game, and it's laughable. A training area is at most what the game needs, but absolutely not, ever, an offline mode.

[hot hemlock]

I mean an offline mode to learn layouts is fine, most extraction games have offline modes that dont give you any loot

[lapis iris]

People don’t like it for some reason even though it doesn’t change anything for them

[hot hemlock]

I dont think you understand the concept of the suggestion. It IS a training area

[lapis iris]

^^

[hot hemlock]

No loot is obtained, no progress is made, its an offline mode solely for learning mechanics and layouts lmao

[lapis iris]

It could also be hard locked on a specific location so people won’t be able to experience the full game in offline mode

[hot hemlock]

Doesnt even need that, let people learn the game

[lapis iris]

Yeah but people again for some reason don’t like the idea of an offline mode to help players learn the game. They just give the usual “this game isn’t hard”

[meager jasper]

Maybe re-read the suggestion again. Because no, that isn't what it says. Pretend it says something else entirely, all you want.

[hot hemlock]

Yes cause the op literally agreeing with what I told you isnt correct

[meager jasper]

So? That's called backtracking. Once again. That's not what the suggestion listed on the link says. Nor in that OP.

I've seen several people backtrack on what they mean by offline mode, but the game doesn't need a dedicated offline mode, nor does it need more than a map with a training dummy.

[meager jasper]

More importantly this in particular is completely wrong.

I would agree completely if it were the case, though I'd still think it was pointless outside of a one-and-done tutorial. We also shouldn't be encouraging people to learn monster patterns exclusively in not-real games.

[pure summit]

Then they would also need to add GC, cause the GC players will be mad they're left out. Then everyone will demand solos, duos, and trios for each map. Then players will complain about dead lobbies, so IM adds map rotation. Then everyone complains about having to wait for their map, so IM removes map rotation and moves everybody into crypts solos, duos, and trios. (the most complete and fleshed out map experience) And on and on it goes... — Unfortunately there isn't enough players to have it all, especially if arena comes out, where a chunk of players will be queuing for that most of the time.

IM saw that it would become a problem once arena is out, so they cut the two extra maps to set up for it.

[civic zodiac]

Crypt is unplayable for solo especially mage. Being forced to stop playing for 2 whole.week is lame as fuck im tired waiting

If they would remove dead circle it would be better but it take.like 5min to clear 1 room while we get pushed by the circle and force to sprint trough mobs untill we get either surrounded or ambushed by players. Ice cave at least every1 can move at their pace and enjoy both pve and pvp without being forced to die cuz of bad spawn point combo with dead circle.

[split trench]

Yet another day of screaming into the void asking for greens in norms

[rugged eagle]

you WILL vendor the greens and you WILL run whites

[tiny mason]

ADD GOLD TO CRYPTS !!

[pure summit]

I'm pretty sure most mages say that ruins and GC are the worst maps for wizard.

[civic zodiac]

Gc is shit but ruins and ice cave is great. No narrow corridor where peoplea hide behind a pillard and wait for 5min untill u either have no spell left or rush suicide em.

[granite plinth]

Lizard tails should get bigger with every successful extraction, and they should fall off in game from damage and reset in size on death

[worn pagoda]

Day 7 of asking for Void Blade to have its Magical Damage be changed to Magic Weapon Damage. .89% drop chance for Dark Matter is too low for such a bad niche weapon

[swift anvil]

yeah um fix the warlord one shot mechanic... if your gonna have it it the game maybe dont make players go through mid because the circle is the worst possible placement ever

ridiculous, 305 move speed on a cleric and im not even fast enough to get in the circle on the other side of the room

[worn pagoda]

Restart the fight by stepping out

[dusk fiber]

Craftable gear should be perk changing, or giving unique gameplay changing or build defining traits. It should not just be just stat checking gear. Immagine a craftable rogue cowl that enables permanent chameleon effect as long as you stay still but cant move and no stealth bonuses.

[worn pagoda]

Game breaking. Invis at will, it better not proc Ambush

Ik you said no Stealth bonuses but idk if Ambush is included in that

[dusk fiber]

Yeah, you get perma chameleon, not full invis, immagine effect from movie predator, but absolutely no bonuses that count towards stealth, no ambush, no speed etc.

[worn pagoda]

consult the council

[thin flicker]

No 👍

[atomic temple]

interesting but remember we cant buff rogue only nerf it

[subtle shadow]

Hide should involve the darkness. Rouge not using magic to hide

[quartz oxide]

Remember when it was blue capped and people still cried about gear being the reason theyd lose fights lol

[rugged eagle]

grey cap lr when?

[quartz oxide]

LOL

[tulip venture]

damn you were like one day away from getting it and you stopped

[static turret]

dreams where crushed

[crimson jewel]

Profession skills and Job board when? 🥺 👉 👈

[strong junco]

wipe now please

[warped storm]

no be patient

[proud sigil]

Make weapons stat dependant so all classes can have access to a weapons. I want to see a double axe ignite wiz. Also make one handed weapons usable on any hand

[earnest dock]

I guess a shove mechanic has been suggested at least a couple of times here. Generally, my thoughts on application goes along the lines of tying shove distance to strength and not making it anything like a stun but a sway/shifting mechanic that alters facing just a little being pushed back so there's still a chance a swing or shot will hit and may allow a window for course correction. This could also give rise to item traits that can increase shove distance and/or sway. Ultimately, it allows a person some room to maneuver or gain some room, which also can introduce some subtly in melee reach.

Maybe a very short stun/interrupt if shoved into a wall

[drowsy grotto]

fun fact, this testing is stupid.
A. you added test servers for TESTING but forced everyone to go through the worst update in the world just so you can TEST something that you could of TESTED on the TEST SERVER.
B. Why did you only set it to crypts and then to hell, there's obvious issues that anyone can see based off of HAVING A BRAIN.
i. Since you did this after wipe, half of the people in the game used all their gear and half of the people have full gold on. Duos and trios now is just a gear measuring competition.
ii. Solos, now that it's only a 5x5 map, with easy hiding areas as well as doors so you can't run away, is now just a third party off! Who can wait long enough till one person gets low? THIS GUY AND HE WINS! This is why people are maxing out rogue right now.
C. Why did you unlock gold gear for everyone, this is the most absurd thing in my opinion as it's simply benefitting people who have more money or randomly stockpiled one type of item (gold). Do you know what would fix this, RESETING EVEN FOR A TINY BIT, as it doesn't matter because ranking is over! You know what, maybe resetting on the TEST SERVER should of been brought to the real one!
D. If you set a presedent with past playtests and wipes that, wipe happens when ranking is over, then I think you should tell people MORE THEN A WEEK BEFORE IT WIPES that it's not a presedent! Crazy, right?

Anyways that was my cope-sesh feel free to comment.

[static turret]

bad opinions overall

[drowsy grotto]

Insults, gives no reasons why. Conclusion, you're a complete idiot.

[static turret]

First of all critisising opinions isnt insulting but calling someone an idiot is. Ill give you the reasons

1. This wipe wait event is a ton of fun playing in og crypts feels like the old playtests.
2. Its prewipe and the prior patch we had issues with empty lobbies crypts only fixed it and community was asking for crypts queue.
3. Sounds like a skill issue tbh, the pvp in crypts is really good.
4. Again its prewipe and its wiping next wednesday iirc who cares.
5. They needed time its a small dev team and we got crypts queue just play and have fun while waiting for wipe.

[drowsy grotto]

1. Opinion
2. lies, nobody or atleast a small amount of the community asked for it
3. I never said the pvp was bad, I said hr was trash.
4. two weeks full of either having an impossibly boring time getting no diffed by extremely geared teams, if you call that skill issue grow up, or having no customization in low roller
5. Then extend the season and ANNOUNCEMENT IT AT THE START OF WIPE instead of the millisecond before wipe ends
   Also that wasn't criticism before, you said my opinions were bad and didn't give a prior-reason.

[timid palm]

rogue shouldn't get one shot when a barb lands a headshot its really unfair

[mellow jackal]

barb does like 200 damage on headshot with high gear it would be paranormal if a rogue lived that lol

[timid palm]

base kit barb does more damage then rogues have health, thats like letting rogue 1 shot again

[drowsy grotto]

nuh uh

[timid palm]

uh huh

[weak tartan]

this update killed my vibe gl all

[polar junco]

we just need gold gear completly removed from the game, leave the legendary gear as boss rewards/very rare inferno loot and the game will be playable

doesn't make sense to have someone run full bis legendary gear because they grinded boring quests

[raw knoll]

Base kit barb does like 70 headshot damage

[glacial sphinx]

There's a big difference between doing it on a loud class with a slow twohander that has a bad attack pattern vs doing it from invisibility with quick dagger

[sturdy scarab]

💀

timmy right there

[polar junco]

🤓

dude that can't play the game if he doesn't have 50 in all stats right there

[sturdy scarab]

maybe we can take normals then?

[polar junco]

are you trying to say that there's no difference between a white gear and a full blue/purple with rings and cape ? honestly can't really tell since you seem to struggle to make a sentence that makes sense

[sturdy scarab]

nope I m talking about myself, you are telling that I can't play without 50 all stats even this is impossible to make, but we won't take that into account, thats why I m making a statement about normals where it is literally impossible to wear anything better than white gear, btw join my viola delirium bard kit giveaway in collectors guild, maybe you will win and have an opportunity to play with good gear! @polar junco

[polar junco]

lmao, I'm having a stroke reading this, what "statement" are you making about normals ? I'm just trying to understand what it has to do with my original point, which is that gold gear is bad for the game, and by "the game" I'm talking about HR.
What I'm saying is that getting THE BEST gear not "good gear" is mostly not about looting but about doing a quest chain and then mining gold. Not only is it legendary gear, but you can just wait for a bis roll on it and craft it whenever, just by farming a few gold ores, instead of getting normal legendary gear which is actually rare and is way harder to get bis on.

[sturdy scarab]

the point of golden gear is an endgame gameplay, which should be obtained by playing the game not like once a week. Devs fucked up with quests cuz they can be done in a few days, which shouldn't be obtainable like that, the good thing that they will add chapters of quests, this will fix this problem, tho legendaries (not talking about capes, but the rest) with good rolls would be better due to +1 base stat from golden gear, there is no need to delete golden gear, but to make it harder to make

It was kinda funny tho talking about the guy that he can't play w/o stats when you didn't even play with him once and didn't watch a single vod

[polar junco]

I was litteraly making fun of you because you said "timmy right here", I could say the same thing to you, how could you know I was a Timmy whitout ever playing with me ?

problem with your "it's fine cause it's endgame gear" doesn't make sense since there isn't any kind of Gear Based Matchmaking, if you want casuals to get absolutely obliterated because there are 3+ gold geared team per lobbies, the game is just going to die because no new players will have fun getting into the game

[sturdy scarab]

alr nvm no need to continue this dialog

[polar junco]

also making the quests harder won't change a thing, it'll only make the gold gear come a few days later

[polar junco]

that's what I thought lol, you have nothing relevant to say

[timid palm]

@glacial sphinx one waits behind a door the other waits in invis. what I’m getting at is you shouldn’t be able to one tap people at low end gear no matter the class

[peak reef]

I would suggest reducing the mob density for depending on Solo/Duo/Trio, I sometimes get very unlucky spawns in inferno having me traveling with barely any chance for looting and the end area is surrounded by mobs and I have no time to clear them inorder to get that portal opened..

[untold lava]

Does Self inflicted magic damage get affected by magic resist ? (Fireball , Hellfire , ect)

[pine comet]

Yes

[static turret]

catboys

[alpine violet]

I think that after items are sold on the Marketplace and are waiting for gold to be retrieved that there shouldnt be a freaking expiration time for that gold! I sold 3 stacks of Gold Ignots a couple of weeks ago on my alt and forgot about them. The system "DESTROYED" more than 3k Gold while i was busy playing my other characters. It's messed up to destroy my time/effort in the game just cus I didnt pick up the gold. This game already has enough copium in it....

[faint dirge]

Just pick it up

[civic zodiac]

he had one job

[grave veldt]

I had it destroy 20k last night, but honestly it makes sense otherwise it means infinite gold storage for a small price

makes alot of the current storage options less neccessary

[static turret]

Due to how smokepot was gutted sprint, rage and phantomise should be 3 times use only, no reason to gut movement skills out of the squishied class while leaving tanks with movement skills

[hard cairn]

Okay so i just sold an extremely expensive item (45,000) and now cant get any of the gold that i paid an insane market fee on before it even was sold. At least let us take as much as our stash can handle at current juncture if not everything. I admit i didnt think it through how much room it would take up. Can we at least be able to take it similar to how tarkovs traders work in that respect?

[cunning gorge]

Give rangers a way to reliably scout invisible rogues, or buff their tracking perk. If you take it, by the time you see where they are it's too late. Rogues are inevitably going to be buffed when wipe happens and it's going to make ranger unplayable in solo

[ripe haven]

This is a good thing.

[spare radish]

+1

[nocturne viper]

When was wipe?

[hot hemlock]

Inevitably going to be buffed according to whom?

[long blade]

Inferno is supposed to be the hardest pve, so I disagree actually. Definitely can be tough in solo but it balances out a bit because less people go to inferno in solos.

[long girder]

This is actually a good suggestion

[plain sail]

What do u guys think of IM adding vendor prices on all items for when u hover over the items u pick up. Much easier to know what to loot etc.

[grizzled gull]

No because fuck rogue

[pulsar glade]

make characters like old ds face raiders and implement your own face on your character

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[warm sedge]

You sold an item for a lot of gold & didn't have the space for said gold?

[worn pagoda]

Happened to me once, sold something to myself to transfer gold, was like 5k or something and I didnt have enough storage so I bought a bunch of pouches and it all went into those

[knotty wasp]

damn brah what u sell lol

[silent merlin]

trade me everything in your stash and Ill hold it so you can have enough space for your gold

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/538734/multiclassing-is-a-mistake

[rain cave]

Can I suggest we not kill class identity? Or make certain classes de-facto obsolete in place of other classes that have better starting attribute spreads or equipment options?

[fathom bolt]

Please no multiclass, kills class identity and competitiveness of engagements

[graceful frost]

yeah i don't see a world where multiclass doesn't ruin the game and the class balance and other stuff

[sturdy chasm]

killing class identity with multiclassing sounds like a terrible idea, i was hoping they were going to do skill tree for each character that improved certain perks/spells/equipment

[primal spindle]

keep multiclassing but dont implement it with rng and grind. preserve class identity with perk / ability level requirements for that class and stat requirements for gear.

id prefer a more dnd like system where you can split your levels.., that way leveling can give more bonuses past lvl 15, especially if you give stat bonuses per level or smth

[silent mica]

Why not just make it so some perks/skills are locked to the identity of a class

No taking sprint/rage/spell casting, or whatever is "core" to a class.
Adds a balancing lever to remove perks/skills from the available pool as well if they're too strong overall, instead of nerfing it into the ground or scrapping the system

[gentle minnow]

Multiclassing shouldn't exist, however subclassing when you level up your character further is cool. Retains class identity while allowing players to further customize their class with improved perks/skills.

[green glacier]

Make a rotation for duos and trios for the crypt & ice carvens map so the majority of the players will be able to enjoy both maps. Even the bosses in hell can be beat by 2 players with ease so the map is balanced for 2 players aswell.
The rotation can be 15 min.
The idea allow the majority of the player base experience the game at it fullest.

[timid palm]

fix your sound can't even hear the guy next to me

[rich iron]

Fighters current sprint is clearly exetremly strong and needs a rework right? What if instead of just a flat 50ms move speed add. It removes the movespeed pentaly while holding your weapon so like a example is if your holding a falchion and heater shield its -40 ms, And then when you enable sprint it removes that ms penalty currently while your holding out the weapon. Yes this will technically buff slayer fighters more then plate but you will require a pricy kit to get that high ms for slayer

[peak reef]

I think is currently strong due the map we are forced to play has mostly tiny rooms that they can close distance very quickly, sprint is only useful if they already got way too close to you, I am mainly playing ranger and if I can get a couple shots to a slayer fighter pushing me with sprint is suicidal as they will have to survive me quick shot and spread shot and I think with many other ranged classes is the same thing as soon as you get a couple hits on them they will not rush you unless they got way too close, not even need to mention PDR fighter as they can not catch you even using sprint if you have invested in move speed and have a good escape route planned to gain distance, you are pretty screwed as a caster or ranger if you get pushed by a slayer or PDR in a dead end or room that you have closed doors unless you are really good at aim and do not miss a hit and hit the head if possible but even then in a room you can not get distance from the fighter your odds of survival are pretty low.

[primal spindle]

Make it a higher level req. can’t get sprint unless lvl 15 or smth

[peak reef]

That literally solves nothing, you can get to lvl 15 playing normals in like 3-4 games.

[primal spindle]

This is with the level 20 cap normally - so you can only put 5 into another class

[unkempt oriole]

Spartan Perk for fighter/Bavarian =You can dual weld spear and shield (You can also attack when defense stance)

[rich iron]

thats the thing even with PDR fighter 50 additional movespeed is way to much against melee classes it makes them have to either bait out sprint and with the small rooms it does not help at all and when it was ruins it was manageable sort of.. He already has access to all range weapons and ruins is a extremely open map so even if you did run away you were half hp or lucky enough to dodge 1 arrow and still be dropped by a quarter of ur hp i talk for most squishy classes aka wizard,rogue,warlock. I understand it makes plate fighter harder ofc but if you have 60% PDR and all base stats and you can just close the gap on a squishy almost instantly, Even at mid to lower ranges it does not feel fun and don't even start me on slayer fighter it is just borderline OP how strong sprint is on slayer. You will always be hitting movespeed cap with slayer sprint and being the highest dps its really just not balanced at all you will outrun all classes The only real counterplay is just not to engage and just poke and run and hope he gets low enough before you hit a dead end running across the map trying to poke

and thats if slayer fighter doesn't catch up with you with insantly ...

oh and he also has a crossbow or windlass so prepare to be chunked for half ur hp running away or at him OR if you dodge the arrow your reward is death now

[peak reef]

Watcha think? https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/538777/character-levelling-up-rework-specializations-smurf-fix

[hard cairn]

correct lol

[hard cairn]

the best Pestilence ive ever seen lmao

[hard cairn]

for real, youd do that?

[silent merlin]

For sure homie it's end of wipe IDC you gotta spend that cash ASAP, I got a few characters with mostly empty inventories, but based on my calculations you need maxed out stash tabs or a couple coin bags because that's 3.75 stash tabs full of gold coin purse

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/538734/multiclassing-is-a-mistake

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[worn raven]

I would love to have individual hotkeys for each equipment slot. As a bard player its quite cumbersome to swap through so much equipment to get the right instrument mid-combat

[proud sigil]

make gob caves and ruins without crypts solos please, so we can have more map variety and missions easier

[grim venture]

Some sort of perk or spell that lets you temporarily (permanently?) see enemy health bars. maybe if it needs a drawback, make it so when it's used, your own health is displayed to enemies as well. Maybe could work on warlock since it has buff spells with drawbacks too

[meager jasper]

Okay just listened to the interview and they're going back to forced matchmaking for one map per team type.

Ironmace. Stop. Being. Idiots.

Nobody wants to be forced to play only one map. This isn't complex. You're pushing more and more people away.

Seriously, if this is a problem make the maps random but don't lock them.

[mellow frigate]

back to solo ratting in crypts

or ice caves

[meager jasper]

Even worse, they're planning on making the Ruins the duo map again. Which was god-awful. Just no.

Not only that, but we're getting longform quests. You know, that thing we need access to all maps for

[tulip venture]

You say nobody when I in fact do want that

[meager jasper]

Or just suicide-quest like I did when in the early quests. That was really engaging

[tulip venture]

We can’t have a crazy amount of lobbies it’s unreasonable you said you listened to it did you hear the part where they said some servers were averaging 3 people a lobby?

[meager jasper]

Are you incapable of reading what I just wrote? Random. Maps.
Lobbies become inconsequential when the map is random.

They also become more balanced, innately because you can't prepare for a map like the Ruins by only taking some sort of ranged character for instance suited to it.

[tulip venture]

Random sounds so much worse imagine bringing undead slaying weapons when you want to boss to goblin caves

Taking holy purification on cleric would also be very bad

[meager jasper]

Those are problems they have made. If the reality is the maps need to be random they should do it. And then rebalance to make those things either gone or viable in another way.

[tulip venture]

They should of never let different party sizes play all the maps

[mellow frigate]

they should just keep the 3 queues of crypts and have ice caves as well

[meager jasper]

Complete L take. "waaa people shouldn't be allowed to play the thing I play unless they're also a trio"

[tulip venture]

Why even make a solo queue when the bosses and rooms are designed for trios

[tulip venture]

You can still play it just not in a separate Q

[mellow frigate]

because all the other maps suck

[meager jasper]

I see, so you are an elitist who wants no solos or duos. Opinion disregarded.

[tulip venture]

Ice map is sick I’ll probably end up playing a lot of duos

[mellow frigate]

ice map is not bad, i mean ruins and gobby cave

[tulip venture]

Fortunately they’re reworking ruins

I don’t mind 3x3 gob caves as a solo but hated it in teams it always felt so bad

[hot hemlock]

I 100% agree with the other guy, too many balance changes are made for smaller party sizes on the same map. If you wanna play the map either tough it up or get people to play w

[meager jasper]

I 100% disagree with any idiot who thinks a huge portion of the population of the game should not be catered to any more. Do you actual trolls not understand that duos are literally just going to leave the game if this sort of stuff happens?

I already have. The game is not in a good state. It's frustratingly mishandled, and I come back and see they're fumbling the ball all over again, every single patch.

[meager jasper]

This is a balance issue that needs to be addressed but the solution is not to remove it from trios either.

[tulip venture]

If you already left why are you still here complaining leave these chats to people that like the game

[meager jasper]

Because I want the incompetently handled shrinking game to get better and not worse? So that I have a reason to actually play it again. No shit.

[hot hemlock]

Im not saying the other ques should be left out. However Having to balance every map for 3 game types is an absolutely ludicrous thing to tackle as a dev whos still trying to release content

Let them get the game to a healthy state then come back and make changes to the shit that shouldnt matter yet

[meager jasper]

You seem to misunderstand just how much capital Ironmace has received from this game. This is just not true. They actually should have plenty of employees to do this with. It's apologism at this point to say the game shouldn't be in a better state.

[tulip venture]

I highly doubt you bought the game when you could play every map so they let the playerbase try something and it didn’t work out. If you hate goblin caves so much just get a friend and if you dislike every single person you play with the problem is probably you

[tulip venture]

You’re making claims like you have experience being a game dev

[meager jasper]

Goblin caves? What the hell are you talking about. I love the goblin caves, ice caves, and ruins. I want to play all of them on duos and solos.

[hot hemlock]

You still can

[tulip venture]

You can go in them all solo

[hot hemlock]

It just wont be against only solos

[meager jasper]

You're extremely entitled if you think going back to the worst form of the game is a good idea. I bought the game under the knowledge they were adding solos. I was hoping for duos the whole time because the meta only got worse and worse and gear more and more important. With higher focus on ranged damage, with each passing patch.

[tulip venture]

Dead lobbies are the better for of the game?

[meager jasper]

Random lobbies are better for the game. You and the trios can cry about losing exclusive access to crypts all you want. It's what should happen.

[hot hemlock]

I play solo trios primarily I dont see what youre complaining about

[meager jasper]

Okay rat rogue, some of us actually want to play the game. That's completely laughable.

[tulip venture]

Random lobbies would be so bad no new player would feel like there getting the hang of any mob type in any reasonable amount of time

[hot hemlock]

Ranger 1v3 double bow but sure assume I rat

[tulip venture]

Like people quit games but we need to be approachable enough to get new ones too

[meager jasper]

"random lobbies would be soo baadd" except that their competitors do this repeatedly, marauders, hunt show down. There is nothing wrong with random maps. You just don't want other players to play on the maps you play on.

lol if the maps are random people will quit but you don't think people will quit if you literally remove two third of the map pool for their team type? You're a joke.

[tulip venture]

Marauders you can just insta leave if you don if like that map not a great example

[tulip venture]

You don’t have one team time you as an individual can play with all team sizes no one is stopping you

[meager jasper]

Eh... no you can't. Go look at the current version of marauders.

[hot hemlock]

Idk why youre perma whining about it either way, devs arent gonna change it back lmao

[tulip venture]

I really don’t want to redownload it it was not fun

[hot hemlock]

No point in throwing a fit to a deaf audience

[meager jasper]

Because I'm making clear my displeasure. This is a suggestion discussion forum you toolbag. They do read these forums.

[hot hemlock]

Whens the last time they did something the community loved as a whole

[mellow frigate]

they probably will change after there's enough of a player count

[meager jasper]

And no, I won't be silent about something I consider deeply idiotic.

[hot hemlock]

Oh absolutely. The entire purpose was to reduce cost of running the game for 2 people each in 100 lobbies

[meager jasper]

Can we also talk about how the 3 people in each lobby thing is also entirely self-made? Because they forced it so that you can only wait for... what a minute now?

[tulip venture]

Servers aren’t cheep

[hot hemlock]

Im waiting in lobby for 2-3 minutes almost every raid

[tulip venture]

They want lobby time to be a minimum and have most time spent actually playing the game it’s why they’re adding squire

[hot hemlock]

Idk I think if you dont like where the game is going and want it to follow your vision you could always make your own game

[mellow frigate]

damn that's a bad argument

[meager jasper]

I think you should keep your idiotic opinion about me to yourself lol.

[tulip venture]

I bet dungeon-born is looking for devs and they seem experienced enough

[meager jasper]

I will continue to provide feedback on the game I bought and enjoyed for a long time, regardless of what stupid people on the internet thing about it.

[hot hemlock]

I think you should try making some extra friends so you could play dark and darker on different maps 🙂 your negative outlook on everyone probably makes it hard to do this

[meager jasper]

Your opinions and ad hominem are, again, completely unwelcome. I'm not a dev, and I'm not someone who owes you anything. Fuck off.

On some of the other things in this interview, I'm actually excited to see what the quests and multiclass system are like. I think the game needs more spaced out long term content/progression. If not for the queue problem being reintroduced I'd be quite excited for the patch overall.

[tulip venture]

I personally Cannot wait to use an ambush wizard

[mellow frigate]

im glad theyre making quest drop rates a little better

[hot hemlock]

Its wonderful how hypocritical you are. You seem to understand EXACTLY what the game devs need to do but you arent a dev, you dont like ad hominem, but you LOVE to call the devs idiots. And nobody ever said you owed me anything

I just simply was giving you some advice so you could find a way to enjoy the game you purchased 🙂

[mellow frigate]

You dont need to be a chef to know when youre being fed slop

[meager jasper]

False equivalence. Saying a decision is idiotic is not ad hominem, it's a disagreement. The devs are not idiots. I rather like them. You are though - and that's ad hominem, yes, because I really don't owe you any sort of good faith argument at this point.

[tulip venture]

Yeah I’ll love it especially with centaur and demon stuff

[mellow frigate]

me too

[meager jasper]

And yes, this.

[mellow frigate]

i think the test server will be good for seeing how drastic changes are received

[hot hemlock]

True yes, but that would equate to just saying the game isnt good. He seems to know exactly what to fix to keep players around

[meager jasper]

I'm not speaking in hypotheticals, you tool. I'm literally saying that my duo being forced to play a sub-par map over and over again is literally going to make us stop.

[mellow frigate]

this is a suggestion channel

[hot hemlock]

Calling something idiotic is 100% ad hominem and not just a "disagreement".

[hot hemlock]

Suggesting and saying devs are idiotic for a change are the same since when?

[meager jasper]

Ad homimen is the argument of attacking a person instead of their position. I'm fully attacking the position. Being mean is not ad hominem. Look up the term.

I think very specifically that it is idiotic to cut out a part of your audience from maps. That is not an attack on anyone's character.

[hot hemlock]

The only audience being cut is Duos/Trios from GC and Trios from Frost Caves

[limber fiber]

i think this game needs an mp5

[meager jasper]

Deflection. Not the point being made.

[hot hemlock]

THATS THE EXACT POINT YOU MADE

[meager jasper]

No, the point is that you accused me of ad hominem. Which I didn't commit. And then you deflected when you were told you were wrong.

[hot hemlock]

??? That was an entirely different point that was irrelevant to continue because its a back and forth of yes you did no I didnt. I brought the subject back to the original point of interest

[meager jasper]

You are attempting to undermine my points by suggesting my logic is flawed on a basic level, whether through bias or whatever else, but you're blatantly ignorant of what makes logic flawed. You do know that's a form of ad hominem, right?

[hot hemlock]

Do you want to discuss logical fallacies or the game you dont like Make up your mind so I can choose one thing to focus on

[meager jasper]

Logical fallacies of course.

[hot hemlock]

Okay then our discussion is over and I will be putting my focus elsewhere

[meager jasper]

Finally.

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[mellow frigate]

i hope they add something like this down the line too, would be really good for practicing bossing for example

[lapis iris]

It would simply be like offline mode on Tarkov

[arctic flame]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487404/pve-only-mode

PVE mode would be better I think.
Even a checkbox next to character creation like diablo has to designate HC mode, one life.
If when creating character we can check PVE box, then my squad will still be connected online, all the anti-cheat etc. marketplace, trades etc. but we only trade to other PVE characters.
Weather my squad sees other characters in the lobby or not is up to the dev.

I think any PVP-less solution should still be online connected. offline would allow for cheaters I think. as it relys on a save file locally, and that can be backed up and replaced, so dupes would be easy.

[mellow frigate]

a pve mode or co-op mode would be fun regardless

[lapis iris]

I like the idea and I’m sure they’d find a way to make the PVP servers look more attractive to the average player to ensure the servers there wouldn’t die

[mellow frigate]

it would probably help with the playerbase too

[arctic flame]

I almost feel like that is the point of Arena, you wanna PVP, go to arena, you wanna PVE, go to dungeons.
That would be a good change

[hard cairn]

i have 3 coin bags but thats it the rest are the small ones

[outer lotus]

They should make the pvp arena another portal type, maybe a purple portal. People who take this portal will go to an arena and the survivor can loot and extract. This way it wont split the player base

[arctic flame]

last week I found a randy and gave him and his buddy all my gear and large gold bags and necklacess. They were panicing at all the loot lol

[silent merlin]

Dm'd

[lapis iris]

That is actually a wild idea lol id like to see it in practice but the playerbase would have to grow in order to do something like that. Otherwise you’d just consistently be pushed into an empty arena

[outer lotus]

Maybe only have 2 show up for solos, 4 for duos, 6 for trios. I think it would almost always be filled. But yeah an implementation of this idea is the best approach i think

[lapis iris]

I definitely find it to be an interesting idea

[pure summit]

I think they can work well in tandem. For example if you make it only "looted" gear in arena.

To do better in arena, you need to find more gear, so you dungeon delve to build a better set.

And maybe arena will award you tokens to buy good PvE gear (+20% dmg against X, -5% damage taken against X).

That way you can go back and forth, and gives more of a reason to do each.

[arctic flame]

indeed. It makes sense to me.
This would keep the playerbase unified and bring back tons of casuals who only dungeon crawl.
Making PVP optional. there can be quests that require it still, thats fine, but in order to do that, Arena is where you go

[mellow frigate]

careful, suggesting that casuals enjoy the game is not allowed

only joking, of course

[lapis iris]

God people hate the idea of a “hardcore game” becoming a little easier for people who don’t have all the free time in the world or just aren’t as good as the rest of the playerbase. By making the game easier I am meaning something like a training area not doing something like reducing mob spawns and slowing killing time

[static turret]

This is a horrible idea, people play the game for its pvpve dungeons and man wants to remove pvp from it

[arctic flame]

nah, people play this game to roll Timmys. PVP, the E is very little and far between. They full W key all naked and enjoy it.
That is NOT PVPVE. that is trolling

[mellow frigate]

the only people left playing are the people who pvp, that's why the playerbase is more than halved

[arctic flame]

yep, the proof is right here right now. too much bullying casuals drives aways the casuals, which is more than half of the player base.

[dry glacier]

So warzone gulag basically

[dry glacier]

Well once they get a sort of homebaese/tavern whatever it should be a lot easier on people who don't have a lot of time. Getting upgrades for passive gold/items like GPUs for crypto miners in tarkov

[outer lotus]

Not really, it counts as an extraction but after winning the arena. But kind of

[simple jolt]

I thought Barony was a good solution to this no? This is also another method of splitting the already small playerbase.

[arctic flame]

that looks pretty good. Imma check it out

[lapis iris]

Yeah that would be nice. My biggest concern is the playerbase dying out due to not having enough diversity

[rose canopy]

depending on post-wipe population, consider merging trade channels. example: I am linking jewelry to 10 people but my item is only meant for viola

[upper hearth]

They should add some form of bind ability for warlock or make it so he can properly heal off of pve with his life drain and remove his ability to spam heal off of hydra.

[pliant dagger]

Item just make the cap difference even in high roller if you get queue against fully gold you dont stand a chance shot him 15 arrow with a purple recurve bow guy was half life and the fighter 2 shot me with unique rapier and wizard ball in is second hand pathetic game balance

[pure summit]

That's kind of the point of the game, it's not really supposed to be fair. - The end of the season is chalk full of gold kits though, so if you're not full-gold you have to heavily outplay them for the most part

[short gulch]

any info on talent tree? because after changes with perks and multiclassing it is going to be difficult to design and balance

[lapis iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/536097/adding-an-offline-mode-would-be-an-amazing-decision-for-the-developers-and-heres

Adding an offline mode would be an amazing decision for the developers, and here's why

Before judging my suggestion, please read the full thing.

Please share this suggestion if you agree with it. I hope it will be added to the game someday. If you have any suggestions/concerns with this idea please don’t hesitate to @ me or dm me.

Thank you for your time.

[hot hemlock]

Reposting the same shit everyday aint gonna get it further

[devout jasper]

nobody likes your idea man it's ok it happens

[opal parrot]

Lol

[hoary cloak]

sd

[lucid charm]

Test server is pretty much an offline mode right now

[tulip venture]

I mean the that’s what I think every time I see that post lmao

[static turret]

AND CATBOYS

[glacial sphinx]

It's better to just create a small training area. If you want to create a completely offline dark and darker you need to include the systems the server uses to spawn items portals and enemies and controls them into the client and remove all kinds of multiplayer related things. It's a nightmare plus it can give exploiters insight into how your systems work that you may not want to give. They have enough on their plate as it is

[tulip venture]

We already have the elf skin

[tulip venture]

I can’t wait to be a Druid ratboy

[elfin vale]

RENAME ROGUE TO VICTIM RENAME ROGUE TO VICTIM RENAME ROGUE TO VICTIM RENAME ROGUE TO VICTIM RENAME ROGUE TO VICTIM

[tulip venture]

If you’re anything you’re consistent

[lapis iris]

Thank you for the reasonable response. This is a much better response than “lol” or “skill issue”. I will take these into consideration and rewrite my post.

[glacial sphinx]

No problem!

[violet stream]

Could further increase variety of play style by introducing "Subclasses". For example, Barbarians "Path of the Berserker" vs "Path of the Totem Warrior" or Bards "College of Lore" vs "College of Valor"

[upper hearth]

Do not allow damage rolls with vigor or +%max health rolls.

[distant flicker]

Suggestion: More Mods in Voice chat. Help us remove trolls and harassment from VC.

[subtle shadow]

Small chest should just have meds and ammo

[tulip venture]

You can just message one that’s online and they’ll come they have for me plenty

[distant flicker]

The few times i have they haven't kicked the trolls. We need Mods that are in tavern tables more often as a discouragement to trolls or to be around when they join. When a mod joins after the trolls just stop until they leave since they only stick around for a few minutes.

[tulip venture]

Could we please have cloth armor take up less space when not equipped plate legs and cloth legs shouldn’t take up the same amount or space

[static turret]

catboys

[ripe prairie]

remove the ping limit for NA and Aus

[worn canopy]

anyone else have trouble starting their blacksmith launcher? i have to force close it in task manager, then spam click the application to get to the launcher menu. my buddy told me dark and darker doesn't work on his computer, because it won't launch. i don't think he found a solution like i did.

[worn lava]

yall need to fix ignite and invis i either am aiming at someone middle of they body and miss and other times aiming infront of them not even on them and somehow invis them you shouldn't have to lead shots with buff spells

[rose canopy]

introduce duels as a private match gamemode where we can fight friends and ppl we beef with in the dungeon... example: after the game you have the option to send a duel request to the poeple who killed you / send from player list etx

[civic zodiac]

Duels where u can bet stuff or simply the winner gain the loser gear would be nice.

[proper river]

Add a mirror in lobby so we can look at ourselves >)

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[scarlet temple]

catboys+catgirls

[worn pagoda]

I have a suggestion for you devs, putting weapons in opposite hands What if I want my longsword to swing the opposite way or I want to block with my right hand instead of my left

Make people think a bit more when it comes to engagements

Or, along the lines of that. Cosplay as Captain America, equipping only a Shield and being able to just beat someone down and hurl it at them. Would that just be drum meta 2.0? Idk but I do know I wanna frisby by round shield at people

Just imagine you're in the middle of a fight and suddenly the whoever switched away from their main weapon or their sword and board to a round Shield and tossed it at your face. I find that pretty terrifying and hilarious.

[worn pagoda]

I like the goofy stuff in this game, the goofier the better. Like Dagger plate fighter, weird as hell and funny. And the best of them all, Drum throwing. What other game can you say you died or killed someone because of a thrown DRUM.

[fair oasis]

me too, but ppl may be surprised or unprepared for it soooo shrugs invisibly

[somber wind]

Don't lower Unique drop rate to abysmal chances. When I heard that I immediately thought "Ok so I'm never going to kill a boss again as there's no reason".

[worn pagoda]

Why won't you kill bosses?

[somber wind]

I kill them for uniques, If I want money I'll kill players. They want to lower the Unique drop rates to something like 1/500,000. They said each Unique drop should make that player recognized by name in the community.

[worn pagoda]

I doubt it will be that low

[somber wind]

They said they want the act of a Unique dropping to be an event for the entire community.

[worn pagoda]

Yeah I guess that's fair... I definitely think Uniques should be more unique as their title suggests, rarity wise, but hey what do I know I hardly see them anyway. Maybe I'm just lucky or have a skill issue

[somber wind]

Yeah my drive is completely killed to fight bosses except minibosses for gold hoard keys and if they got rid of those I'd just kill players eitherway, bosses are not worth it now cause the risk for the pile is just not worth it.

[static turret]

CATBOYS

[timber viper]

Fighter have a Shield Slam attack, have fun, I have killed people with it

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim

[strong grotto]

This is the main problem. GAMES SHOULD be fair and be a form of recreation, relaxation. Any game, that isn't single player and, especially, the ones that add PvP aspect in it should have at least some form of balance, because people have a natural inclination of META everything. We will want to spend as less energy possible in achieving the most result. If your "balance" is looking as some deranged and twisted as Picasso's art - your game is not fun anymore, and as such - not recreational or relaxing. It is either becoming a futile excercise in fighting agains META or becoming the META yourself just for the goal of wining.

[violet stream]

The most difficult part of a unique item won't be getting them. It'll be trying not to have a heart attack and overdose on adrenaline when you go and use it lol....

[violet stream]

Gold gear isn't even really better than non-Gold equivalent (with the exception of a +3 All gold cloak). Otherwise they are arguably worse in regards to BIS PVP gear since the main benefit is Luck. Luck is great for increasing AP, but doesn't make you more competitive in PVP combat.

[tulip venture]

The part that still stands is almost all the best gear is crafted from the ruby silver doublet to grimsmile rings and the demon grip gloves(although not really anymore after warlock got gutted like a fish) tri pelt like it’s all crafted and it’s kinda a problem

[violet stream]

I completely agree. It seems like making the stats "unknown" until you craft it will solve this issue. Gold gear, inherently, is not the problem. It's being able to wait for the perfect BIS roll and then crafting it.

[subtle shadow]

small chests only for heals and ammo. limit heals and ammo carrying capacity

[worn canopy]

Day 2 of pointing out the Blacksmith Launcher having issues launching. Many times force closing it via task manager is required to get the launcher to open. If this happens to the average consumer they will think the game simply does not work.

[tulip venture]

Have you tried redownloading it and updating your drivers?

[void atlas]

Yea not sure it does happen to the average consumer.. I have literally never had an issue with the launcher.. As Jake(Wraith) suggested maybe re-download it?

It's a KILT ty.... XD

[pure summit]

Of course the game should try to be fair, but what is fair? If I spent a lot more time grinding PvE than my opponent, is it fair to give me an advantage to reward my efforts? — That's the point, the game is meant to reward you with advantages through gear, and progression systems.

The only other game that I can think of that has a gear system like DaD and is PvPvE is League of Legends. — They have similar balancing issues, and you have hard counters in lanes, with some champions completely nullifying how yours works.

The reason LoL works is because there are 5 team members, who fill the balance gaps. If the game was a 1v1, certain champions would never be played and only a few champions would be viable. — That's why DaD has to focus on 3v3 and not 1v1 balance. You can't balance all team sizes at once.

Also, I don't believe games HAVE to be relaxing, take Warzone, or League of Legends for example, they're rather stressful. — What they'll typically do is add a more relaxing mode or mini-game on the side to relax with. (TFT in LoL for example).

[somber wind]

I genuinely wouldn't ever bring it out and just use it for money storage personally if it was at that rarity lol

[hardy gust]

guys when are they will send the codes for free dnd

[rose canopy]

duel request system o7

[ripe turtle]

Minigames? Cards? Chess? Dices?

[pure summit]

Can do a full out Tavern experience with board and card games, bet on duels (arena rafters?), chat at the bar, work on crafting at an anvil (weapon crafting mini-game) where you smack a hammer to shape a weapon. If you fck it up, it will keep it's curve. If it hits you while you swing you take damage because you curved it too much. That would be hilarious

[void atlas]

Yoooooo, @midnight horizon Made a valid suggestion in the Fan Art section that I thoroughly endorse, Upvote here bois!!

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/539385/make-otto-the-expressman

[somber wind]

Normals should NOT allow Multi-class characters

[fathom bolt]

true but also include high roller

[alpine olive]

something wrong with the test server, it says im missing microsoft c++ if that was the case how could I play the base game

[violet stream]

Exactly, great store of value

[karmic quiver]

Lololol

[somber wind]

Just trying to prevent progression from affecting Normals lol

[karmic quiver]

I pretty much only play Norma and I think it should be on norms

[somber wind]

Maybe bosses can drop reroll tokens so the reroll merchant for multiclassing that is going to be added would require that? It'd give a reason to boss that would then allow the chance to get uniques since you'll be doing it anyway to tune your multiclass.

[karmic quiver]

I would be down for this, it would stop gold farmers from selling them as easily. Probably shouldn’t be an item you collect though, it should just get credited to your account

[sharp thorn]

What would be the likelihood of getting fist weapons so we can fist fight the dungeon monsters but with a little more oomph than our standard fisticuffs provide?

[dry glacier]

wait for monk

[grizzled gull]

[sinful plaza]

Small chests should just contain heals

[fair oasis]

I was very sad and worried about the changes yesterday but maybe the new Acrobat rogue class will be given human stats and be on par with other classes and maybe even a kit that works with their strengths! Imagine starting with spider silk clothes!! (From d&d they're weightless Acrobat type gear)

[untold hedge]

I have an idea that the season progress of the test server and the official server can be staggered, which can encourage more players who have purchased Founder's Edition to freely choose the season progress they want to experience, thereby increasing the number of test servers

[tulip venture]

You’ve said this. Few times and should probably elaborate

[subtle shadow]

Limit the amount of heals you can hold. Live off the land. So much consumption during engagements is weird to watch, like isnt his belly full

[ripe turtle]

Yes. Would be great to play chess in DaD tavern and have skins for chess board and pieces. Maybe a DaD card game would be cool, but that would take a long time to implement. And YES, arena gamblin! Have this different arenas where you see arena contestants fight each other! Holy smoke! As for gambling, it should be fair and not exploitable! Meaning people don't know exactly who they are betting on or have some sort of random system with a time limit to bet on contestants, so they cannot scam anyone.

[elfin vale]

those are tiny little pots are u 5’2 80lb?

[azure bison]

❤️

[worn pagoda]

Alright alright hear me out. Druids get the best spell in all of Dungeons and Dragons, Sticks to Snakes. Any arrows lying around immediately turn into snakes that attack enemies for 10 seconds that deal poison damage that stacks

[strong grotto]

Part 1.
"Of course the game should try to be fair, but what is fair? If I spent a lot more time grinding PvE than my opponent, is it fair to give me an advantage to reward my efforts? — That's the point, the game is meant to reward you with advantages through gear, and progression systems."
Translation: I've spent my time grinding so I have to be allowed stomping on those who didn't to feel the power, and I don't care that they will be sent back in their progression, I want to punch down for them to suffer, for them to ALT+F4, for them to leave my game."
Mate. You grind to be able to conquer more hard content. NOT to stomp on those who weren't as lucky and/or not spent as much as you grinding. There should be "weight cathergories" for tiers of gear and there should be PvE tiers with better rewards and harder challenges, that would require you to have better gear. If you are simply allowed to stomp on anyone who below you in equipment cost - you are nothing but a thug and people will more likely to leave your game entirely. Good luck playing on empty servers.

"The only other game that I can think of that has a gear system like DaD and is PvPvE is League of Legends. — They have similar balancing issues, and you have hard counters in lanes, with some champions completely nullifying how yours works."
Incorrect. Every game of LoL starts with you absolutely EQUAL. You have no equipment, even your runes now are free and you can have as much of a leveled field as it is only possible. "Counters" exist, yes, that is why there is draft, where you can see what your opponent pick as a champion so you can either adapt your pick or strategy. In DaD you are NEVER equal. You are not only enter the game with no idea of who you are against, and, if you aren't metaslave, you can start with weak class VS full barb lobby, but you are not even start equal in your gear. You can jump in default set, but be against full ruby-silver. Is that fair to you? It is not.

[strong grotto]

Part 2.
"The reason LoL works is because there are 5 team members, who fill the balance gaps. If the game was a 1v1, certain champions would never be played and only a few champions would be viable. — That's why DaD has to focus on 3v3 and not 1v1 balance. You can't balance all team sizes at once."
The reason why LoL works is beacuase you astart equal in your equipment and still can outskill someone in dueling/lane phase of the game. It is also works because you are NOT losing your equiment if you die and still are able to come back with team effort and skill. There is no way to comeback in DaD, you CAN'T simply try again in the same game, you have close to zero of skill expression and battles are, usually, just a stat check.

"Also, I don't believe games HAVE to be relaxing, take Warzone, or League of Legends for example, they're rather stressful. — What they'll typically do is add a more relaxing mode or mini-game on the side to relax with. (TFT in LoL for example). "
Your examples are SPORT-LIKE games. Sport is recreational. I can understand being stressed in ranked games, where your effort is challenged, sure, but if you are stressed in normals I'd recommend you to stop playing the game, also I don't want to ever get in your team if you can't take a game like a game. It is not your life or death challenge. Chill. Take a damn rest. Get some help. It is just normal.

[daring trail]

Comparing DaD to league.... yall that bored?

[sudden mesa]

did they update come out? are we just waiting on servers to come up

[wise walrus]

They have made no annoucement yet to the wipe update.

[strong grotto]

No, he is just that bad at making examples to support his claim, that he has a divine right to stomp in lobbies with gear gap.

[hushed horizon]

give the clapping emote a noise

[sudden trail]

Any word on the maps being interactive at all? Still having troubles seeing where to go and it'd be nice to track my team mates from further away.

[winged tide]

Give Clerics Angel Form

call it Divine Intervention

[subtle shadow]

opening hundreds of chests is becoming a bit tedious for me

[sudden trail]

Play a barb and smash them then 😆

[stuck thorn]

Give cleric throwing crosses

[subtle shadow]

then i need room in inventory to see item stats!

[short aspen]

Give Cleric a low ter holy light orb spell, that debuffs all undead in a small radius. (Glows Green instead of the wizards white light orb)

[idle crater]

u on the wrong game if thats the case

[tiny mason]

Bard's Encore cooldown changed from 30s → 4s.
Bard's Dissonance range changed from 500 → 600.
Bard's new perk Fermata has been added.
Bard's new skill, Partymaker, has been added.

Encore was never used 1. 2. wtf is Dissonance range 3. fermata i can now drink orange faygo without blowing up like wtf is these buffs @dawn grotto @granite plinth @keen onyx

[tulip venture]

Yeah it was never used so it got a big buff dissonance ranger got bigger

[sturdy hedge]

where do i get my gift card for 10 days trial?

[gritty trout]

WHEN YOU MULTICLASS BARD make it so music memory give you access to instruments. This stop players who just want to throw drums because they will be sacraficing an entire ability and will allow players who want to play music on other classes to not have to take a dead perk just to hold instruments.

[gritty trout]

@dawn grotto

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim for fuck’s sake why why WHY would we be visible while moving i honestly rather u remove hide and buff other things just give up

[tulip venture]

They did buff other things

[elfin vale]

not nearly enough to play rogue though, nothing is gonna change since last patch. im gonna see a rogue on the enemy 3s comp and think oh fuck yea a 3v2

[simple cloak]

Rofl, lifting bans for players that abused the system - "just don't do that again, that's a no-no!"

[pure summit]

Sorry to break it to you, but I don't think this game is for you...

I barely have time to play, so no, I DON'T ever have more gear than my opponents. — If I'm completely outmatched (gold gear) I simply avoid or run, It's not very hard to avoid fights in this game.

You're trying to suggest that the game should be PvE only, with no gear imbalance. — That is what **Normal Mode **is for my friend.

As for your point on similarities between DaD and LoL, the whole point of LoL is to become stronger than your opponent through levels and gear. You typically do this through being better at PvE, and farming more mobs. — Then you kill people who are less geared than you and continue snowballing. — The reason this is fun is because you can snowball as well. The other reason is that you're facing other players that are similarily skilled. Proof? I'm a Challenger player in League and when I play an alt account or play normals, I completely stomp the lobby, and everyone on their team AFKs or quits the game. It's the skill-gap that is the greatest issue typically.
The adventure ranks are meant to separate players based on overall loot, gear, and skill.

I huge part of this game is gauging enemy strength and picking your fights, you seem to be someone who fights anything that comes near. — That's not how this game is meant to be played.

[meager jasper]

We have tested various dungeon selection systems and have chosen the optimal direction taking into account the current player base and team opinions. We understand that this choice may not satisfy everyone. However, as the team continues to expand and with the increasing number of players, we anticipate being able to select a direction that satisfies everyone.
This isn't about satisfying everyone, this about removing core pieces of the game for a wide selection of the game. Just so we're a 100% clear, I'm not at all interested in this wipe because you've done this. It's completely incompetent, and you've already walked back this same decision because you got much the same backlash for it. I'll see you again when I can play something other than one map or not at all. At the moment you've lost both a duo and solo player, and I suspect you'll lose more.
@dawn grotto @keen onyx

[pure summit]

They've removed solo and duo because they became the main game experience, and they realized it was impossible to balance, so they returned to a Playtest 3 setup (only crypts)

[meager jasper]

I know their reasoning and it's still irrelevant. I'm out of the game now.

There's always some complete tool ready to give an abstract reasoning for removing two thirds of the game from the pool of available experiences. It's baffling. I don't care what some dev's "vision" is. It's not acceptable.

[pure summit]

I mean, everyone had a great time with the game with only one map before, I think you're just spoiled and not willing to give it a chance, no offense.

[meager jasper]

Source, you.
I didn't.
Ruins was shit when it was the only duo map, and full selection or full rotation was the best state the game was in. I've been here from the start bud. Solos were also shit when it was only GC.

[pure summit]

Obviously not feasible for the game to have full selection. 9 modes x 3 party sizes x 7 ranks x 9 servers = 1-2 person matches constantly

[meager jasper]

you really love fondling ironmace's balls don't you?
Don't answer that, you're obviously an idiot. I've given my opinion and it isn't going to change because you argue that something is unfeasible because the devs designed it to be unfeasible.

[pure summit]

I'm just a realist, understanding the issues that lead to the changes makes you realize that there wasn't much of a choice.

[pure summit]

Do you think they wanted to remove all map selection... just cause?

[meager jasper]

If you were a realist you'd tell them to implement a random queue rather than nine queues rather than remove two thirds of the game.

Instead, you're going to sit here and pretend removing 2 thirds of the game isn't going to have a negative impact. It will, it already has, and I'm not interested in playing because of it. Stop trying to argue around my response to the patch. You don't get to decide my response.

[pure summit]

They also mentioned during the Darkest hour podcast that it was costing a significantly more money to sustain these small lobbies, draining their resources quickly.

[meager jasper]

reply to the post but ignore the point

Literally all they have to do is follow Marauders' lead and implement actually random maps and they can very easily do this. Instead they've actively removed content from players which is a serious faux pas newbie devs make.

[pure summit]

I have predicted that they will add a random queue, also, removing GC and Ice map doesn't bother me, since I like all the maps and I don't need to switch between all the time. — I'm fine with them polishing them and focusing on each before bringing them back in a coherent way.

[meager jasper]

I'm not, and you're a trio player so no shit, you're biased.

[pure summit]

I'm not a trio player lol. Even then, this game was meant for 3v3, solo ruined the perception of the community IMO

[meager jasper]

Then your argument is completely incoherent.

[meager jasper]

The devs don't get decide what the "perception of the community" is. The game was better with a good solo mode, and it was better with a good duo mode. It is now neither of those things.

[pure summit]

The solo mode was by far the most imbalanced game mode, what are you talking about? — That's where 90% of balance complaints come from

[meager jasper]

Anyway, I have made my points clear and you're rehashing the same irrelevant bullshit that I've heard as an excuse for bad design numerous times, I'm out.

The solo mode was by far the most imbalanced game mode, what are you talking about?

What the hell are you talking about. You're blocked now by the way, but pretending that solo mode was somehow super unbalanced or unpleasant to play when it was the core mode of playing for most players, is laughable.

[shut crane]

So I have a suggestion. So reading the patch notes is always fun to read, but when it comes to things like new skills, perks, spells, songs, etc. it would be most beneficial to maybe describe what that new skills, perks, spells, songs, etc. does instead of trying to guess while we wait for the update to finish. Maybe in the future as IM grows we could even have maybe a high prod video with some highlights of update. Kinda like what Riot Games does when they make a "Champion Spotlight" video. In their videos they show what the new character does and what their abilities do & look. I would be willing to make these videos for IM if they'd like.

[pure summit]

That's exactly my point, it became the core mode. It was never meant to be the core mode. — IM said so themselves.

[tulip venture]

Solo will never be balanced and if you think it ever will be you’re delusional and honestly balance in this game will never be nearly as balanced as like say Fortnite or some other thing without unique classes and gear

[tardy zinc]

I think they should do map rotations. It should be one map where u can play solo/duo/trio like they did with crypt at the end of wipe. Then they should have it switch between maps every 5 min. That way u can play any map with any team size, all u have to do is wait for the map to rotate. Instead of it being a random map with a random fixed team size.

[shut crane]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/539611/patch-notes-spotlight-breakdown

[strong grotto]

Sorry to break it to you, but it is game FOR ME. And I don't suggest the game should be PvE only. You'd see that if you read attentively. And NO, you are wrong again, suggesting that normals are more about PvE. I had more PvP in normals than in HR EXACTLY BECAUSE the game's balance SUCKS and people don't want to lose their AP and gears to imbalance.

And again, YOU ARE WRONG. The point in LoL is to win, to destroy the enemy nexus. You are not even needed to become stronger through levels and gear since you can always just PUSH. There are much more ways to win in the LoL than just to outgear someone, lmao. And most impooratntly - YOU START EQUAL. You are also forgetting fact, that YOU DO NOT LOSE INSTANTLY as you do in DaD. You are not losing your items too. That is why you are much more safer to even give out kills to the enemy, because you ALWAYS can comeback. Also, I don't believe you are a challenger, you'd be more... Factual in your understanding of the game. Not even to mention it was not my idea of drawing parallels between LoL and DaD.

And no, you are WRONG AGAIN, which is a trend now, really, I do not fight anything that comes near. In fact I try to avoid them, because: 1. the battle system is STUPID, it is 1% skill and 99% stat check. 2. you have ZERO indication of how good the equipment your enemy has or how high his HP is. And that is the most stupid thing to fight the unknown enemy with no clear way to gauge your chances. 3. if I try to fight someone - I lose the much needed resources to survive with no guarantee of replenishing those, and that means that the next goblin I see will destroy ALL my efforts at extracting. 4. I DO NOT NEED to fight to win the game, since the goal, just like in LoL, is not the fight itself, but extraction.
TLDR, pay attention to what you are reading, games need balance, if you don't want it - you are a thug who only wants to stomp the lobby. And your "challenger" take supports that you are nothing but thug and smurf.

[solar frigate]

when arena will come? it could be like a weekly championship in a map without minimap and mobs, very high loot, only 3 exits per map, permadeath (in the championship). You are allowed to quit the championship and claim your rewards acquired or choose to proceed until the very winner or team winner

the map should be filled with traps so that players should struggle with them and use them for positional advantage

[meager jasper]

I know, and I don't really care. I don't want them to remove solos, I want them to restore it to the way it was. Solos was good. Duos was good. The forced map selection is terrible

[meager jasper]

Map rotations with the 30 minute queues was significantly better than locking them to one map. So was the later version when it was locked by there was also a rotation, but that solution was just stupid and obfuscated and I don't want to go back to it. It also made it so there were more queues, which wasn't good.

[solar frigate]

nah fuck 30 min rotation, can't they do it random?

[meager jasper]

This is what I've been saying non-stop. There's literally no reason they shouldn't have a full random queue. You pick solo, you don't know what map you're going into, period. Easy. You get match-made properly, you get a full lobby, you can't do any nonsense meta-preperations. Just do a dungeon.

The only attempts at refutation I've seen of that have obviously come from individuals who have the one map they like and they have access to it right now, to everyone else's detriment. But those people, as they say, need to get gud.

[solar frigate]

hmm I think about that, but now the queues are divided by 6 (solo, duos, trios/ hr-normal), if they do this will divide by 12. But they could at least add the random everything map

[meager jasper]

To be clear, I think it should be only random.

[solar frigate]

ok so no choosing between solo, duos and trios. Yeah I think they should've added that

[meager jasper]

? No you pick solo and go to a random map. You pick trio and go to a random map, etc.

[tulip venture]

I literally play all the maps I just queue with people when I want to and don’t when I don’t and random would make the game very unfun imagine bringing a skull key to the gob caves

[solar frigate]

for me I'll be forced to play trios as solo cause I don't like the other maps, this kinda sucks

[meager jasper]

I absolutely hate queuing with randos and have one dedicated team member who I can go to play duos. I'd be surprised if most people had a large pool of reliable people to play with.

[solar frigate]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, then this will divide the player base by 6 (regular maps hr/normal) + 6 (random 3 hr 3 normal)

[meager jasper]

No, it won't if it's actually random there won't be lobby splits, it will be 3 HR 3 regular. That's six.

[tulip venture]

I’m not even convinced there should be a split the way it is between HR and normals I think there should be separate maps with different difficulties and different loot but that would be very hard to implement atm

[unborn yacht]

i was considering playing after the wipe but fixed map rotation is gonna be back so im quitting for good

[meager jasper]

I'm saying there shouldn't be any choice of maps. Just three random normals for each group type, and the random HRs for each group type

[tulip venture]

Taking away choice is the reason you’re in here upset if they did that there would be 30 more of you in here complaining about that

[solar frigate]

not entirely sure if I follow. so it should be random every time? no choice at all? the map i mean

[meager jasper]

This is a misrepresentation. I'm here because content is being actively removed from my reach, not because of some abstract choice. I want random queues.

[tardy zinc]

I think people are gonna want to chose what map they play thats why I was saying have it as one map at a time that rotates to something else every so often. Keep the solo/duo/trio tab just switch the map every couple min that way you don't have to wait to randomly get your favorite map with a team size you dont like

[meager jasper]

Yes.

[tulip venture]

You have the reach homie you just don’t want to grab what you can and play with people

[solar frigate]

Nah, I don't think that it will work, I'd certainly stop playin

[meager jasper]

I know, but I think that is much less healthy than removing two thirds of the game from solos or duos.

[solar frigate]

I think right now it is the lesser evil given the player base, not much they can do about it if you think it through

yeah, for sure I like going ruins, or crypts as solo, but that's still available, it's harder, but the option is there

[meager jasper]

I think randoms would be much less evil. But to devil's advocate against myself, I've also said before that if they do a quickplay random queue that would be help. So if they do full selection, and then 3 random queues with a bonus xp or ap for playing on them - those would not be seperate queues, they could feed into the selection queues as needed

[pure summit]

1. If you had equal gear, like you said, (gear based matchmaking), and you only gear up for PvE, then that still doesn't solve the Skill-gap issue. Also what's even the point of farming gear then, other than to do harder PvE content. OK, so just separate them, PvE only, and PvP only. — By having GBMM you deincentivize using and finding gear, the whole core of the game (fantasy treasure hunting dungeon delver).

2. Wait... what? Are you seriously trying to tell me LoL isn't about getting a gear and power lead? What rank are you? — At the higher brackets, games end in 25-35 minutes 90% of the time due to a gold-lead snowballing.

3. If you think it's only 1% skill, and 99% stat checking, then you truly don't know how the combat system works. You can weave, dodge, come in for poke at the right times, bait out cool downs, prot pot trade, throwables, etc. Why are you w-keying someone who is stat checking you?

4. I think you're basing your opinion of this game on being new, and not having any gear or consumables, based on what you said: "I lose ... resources... next goblin will destroy my efforts". An experienced player doesn't die to goblins, like, ever.

The only thing I agree with is that there needs to be clearer indications of gear quality.

My whole point is that CLASSES should be somewhat balanced (there's still going to be counters), but gear should not be equal, period. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of the whole game.

[solar frigate]

if you randomize every map, then you will be forcing ppl to go into maps they dont like. But yeah, thinking about it more I see where you come from, maybe they could give that a shot to be honest

[honest marten]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/539620/karma-matchmaking In regards to people's fears over matchmaking with random players and such, I propose Karma matchmaking. It'd need more work even with what I stated, but I can only put in 1,000 characters. A decent start though I think.

[solar frigate]

and perhaps show a list of the incoming rotation

[pure summit]

I believe this was the intention of the karma system early on from what they said in podcasts

[honest marten]

That's good. Then they are on the same page.

[meager jasper]

Yes, but it won't remove content like this does, which is much worse imo. Marauders does this, and it's not a problem.

[honest marten]

Personally, I like the idea of locking each map to it's group sizes. We just need decent matchmaking to allow it to function properly.

[solar frigate]

I see, I see. Yeah they could try, perhaps making rotations shorter and having a upcoming list of maps so that players can wait it out

[unkempt mist]

Hey guys when u try to go on the dark and darker website it says i may pose anthreat to the website for some reason now does anyone now the problem

[tulip venture]

The only reason is works for marauders (debatable) is they’ve done it from the start

[honest marten]

Think website is down for updates as well.

[unkempt mist]

Oh oki is the game down as well?

[honest marten]

Yeah.

[tardy zinc]

You make a great point bringing up marauders but i beleieve there's more to it than that. different maps have different bosses, ai, and loot rooms in dnd. Maybe you only like fighting goblins or maybe you like fighting skeletons. I think its why its so hard to make a map system that works

[honest marten]

Balancing is a nightmare with group sizes being different. Now that it is locked, maps can be balanced for the amount of players they intended for the map. You can queue for any map you want, you just may be at a disadvantage or might need to lower or up the number of players you are with for that map. Not a huge deal.

[tulip venture]

Yeah the map and boss design could actually be made for team sizes rather than making enough space for everyone

[honest marten]

Exactly my thoughts. The game was balanced around trios and then they added solo and duos. I'm happy to have it, as long as we can get a functioning matchmaking and a proper community to run the game with.

[strong grotto]

1. You are being inattentive again. I've never said you need to ONLY gear up for PvE. I've said that you should have more PvE with better rewards to go for. I've never deleted the PvP from the equation. PAY ATTENTION. The maps that would demand a certain level of gear for you to entry would not prohobit you from going full ape mode against other players. I can't understand how you can't grasp that simple concept, but, again, you are on a trend of being wrong.
2. LoL is about destroying the enemy nexus. There is more than one way to do so and you are not required to have a total dominance in level or gear to do that. If you are in denial of that simple fact - it is I who should ask your rank. And, please, stop comparing LoL to DaD, they are not the same. In fact, I'd wager LoL is more balanced and much more fair given its sport status. And I can't believe I am saying that...
3. It is mostly stat checking. Especially when you meet someone like barbarian, who literally stat checks you with an axe in the face and the check usually is - he kills you in one swing or two? All the while you will require to play near perfect to defeat him, double the perfection if you don't have a shield with you or even the ability to have one in the first place. And good luck outrun him.
4. Had fun smelling your own farts? EVERYONE died to goblin. E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E. Additionally - learn to understand, that not all written is supposed to be taken as it is. Allegories. They exist. The main take is "I don't want to fight in majority of the cases to not lose the resources I need to defend myself, to survive the PvE encounters, so in future I could attack in opportune moment".

At least something we are agree upon. Yes. The game MUCH NEEDED better visual indications of how high the HP of the enemy is, like maybe some blood on him, wounds, whatever, and the gear tier visual separation.

Your point is thuggish. You should never start the PvP game from behind and disadvantage since time 0. EVER.

[honest marten]

"You should never start the PvP game from behind and disadvantage since time 0. EVER."

That is half the point of extraction shooters, isn't it? You bring in what you are willing to risk and others might be willing to bring in something more expensive at higher risk.

Sorry, not to budge in or anything, I actually agree with visual indications and such. Just an arching statement like that seems strange to me. But yeah, LoL and DaD are def not the same game. lol

[winter dragon]

why is this guy talking about league as if league is the same genre as this game?

[honest marten]

It's in response to another person bringing league up. lol

Honestly, feel like balancing this game is prolly hell. Items, perks, etc. Especially when you take trios, duos, solos. I don't envy that.

Not to mention a community that loves to ramble about how broken the game is. lol

[winter dragon]

these people.. wait until they bring up why the rules in countries should apply ingame too

[honest marten]

If this happens, I'm going to go make popcorn. I'm supposed to go to a concert tonight but this would also be very entertaining to watch. I want to see the logic.

[winter dragon]

but guys! you can build in fortnite, but why cant i build in dnd!! i have to defend myself and build a 5star hotel!!

[honest marten]

Magic the gathering allows me to mulligan, can I please randomize my gear?

[winter dragon]

literally...

[strong grotto]

You are forgetting that it is not a shooter. Most classes don't even have a reliable way to play the ranged game. I can see your point, but you can't bring a shitty gear and shoot someone in the head from safe distance like in Tarkov. Not if you aren't ranger at least... This game is more about close to mid range fights, so when you are pitting default fighter vs ruby-silver barbarian who will have clear advantage? Exactly.
Again, I DO UNDERSTAND your point. It is just if the game is in extraction genre it is not the same in all other aspects. And we NEED to separate players based on their gear and skill in order to:
1 - have better balance
2 - preserve and multiple population on servers
3 - to give players with more and better gear something better to do and go for, than just stomp noobs and defaults out of boredom.

[strong grotto]

Tell it to that @Braeden dude. He decided to bring LoL in here. Believe me, I am just as dazzled as you are.

[honest marten]

Oh, I don't disagree for the most part. IMO that is what they have done with normals and highroller. Though you could probably afford to add green to the normals IMO. Beyond that though I think highroller is just something players have to figure out. It's better to leave it with blue and up. And if we want to have random matchmaking, we have to add in a way to cycle out team killers and such, so that would be done by karma system.

[strong grotto]

Kinda, yeah. I'd also prefer to have fragmentation of gray-white, green-blue, purple and all above, but so far even the fragmentation we have now is already better, than that chaos before.

[honest marten]

We already have a problem with lobby sizes, so fragmenting is painful to that end.

If we do too much, you will see other players less, which just becomes problematic. If we had a huge player base, I could see it working though. Just doesn't work in these lower populations.

[strong grotto]

Oh, come on. The addition of one more tier ain't changing anything. Besides, current population low is more because of no wipe.

[pure summit]

1. You said:

"Mate. You grind to be able to conquer more hard content. NOT to stomp on those who weren't as lucky and/or not spent as much as you grinding. There** should be "weight cathergories" for tiers of gear** and there should be PvE tiers with better rewards and harder challenges, that would require you to have better gear."

So indeed, you said that gear should be** equalized through "weight categories"**, meaning that you can never gain an advantage in PvP through gear. — In that case, you are simply greifing eachother in the game if you decide to fight, since neither of you have major upgrades for each other, and so you end up teaming for PvE, and PvP ceases to exist. At that point, you simply separate them to avoid the incoherence of objectives. — AP ranking system is already grouping high-geared players with other high-geared players, while keeping a certain variance.

2. Please go watch any professional match of LoL and tell me that level and gold is not the primary winning factor. Yes, just like in DaD, you can "rat" as an alternative way to win, that doesn't mean that 90% of the game don't come down to snowballing, just like in LoL. — You're fighting for the EXCEPTION, not the rule. — I think you'll find that LoL is more similar to DaD than any other game. Some will say Tarkov or Hunt Showdown, but those games do not have game-changing power put into a gear system. — DaD is LoL with extraction, in a fundamentals sense.

3. This completely depends on what the matchup is, but in many ways, you can avoid stat checks through other means. Outplaying movement for pot-shots, throwables, out-maneuving with parkour, door work (advantageous swing positions), footwork/dodging, using minion agro switches, traps, etc. — If you think the game is mostly stat checking, you're simply not good enough at the game yet to avoid pure melee brawls, or not able to make space with better movement. — Also, Barb has way higher strength and vigor.

[pure summit]

A well played fighter will typically win this fight when both are geared.

4. I'm sorry but this screams "New Player" to me. I checked and seems you joined this discord this month. — I suggest your opinion will change as you improve.