suggestion-discussion

[tacit hatch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/519557/increase-ranger-arrow-speed

[silver umbra]

SUGGESTION - bring back duo's ruins

[wheat mirage]

I think for me, I'd like them to have the queues as such:

Normals are level 1-19 for learning the game. Players can only join HC at level 20. This means normals are only for learning. No gear cap, but you also cannot access the market or trading until level 20 so the gear is completely based on vendors and gear found.

Level 20 onward is HC only.
It then has a 30 minute dual rotation for maps.

e.g. Goblin Caves and Ruins are available for 30 mins,
Then Ruins and Ice Caverns,
Then Ice Caverns and Goblin Caves,
Then Goblin Caves and Ruins again.

This now brings us to down to six level 20 queues, the same as on the old rotation. But now, maps are available for an hour, and unavailable for 30 minutes.

Alternatively they could keep the 1 map 30 minute rotation, but have each group size on a different part of the rotation. This means the map is available to a different group 100% of the time (e.g. if duos has ruins, solos may have ice cavern and trios has goblin caves for 30 mins) so you can bounce between team sizes if you really want.
This also brings it down to 3 total queues, which would be the most concentrated queue option

This would be even more placating if they did introduce matchmaking for teams, as people could stick to the map they like with pick up groups (not something I'd personally trust, but hey, it's an option)

Either way, it's a way to have 3-6 queues while having each map 100% available

[wicked grove]

they only gave map choice a day before removing it, not everyone plays everyday

[flint remnant]

Map selection is horrible. Huge drawbacks and takes the choice away from the players. If you have a prefered map with a prefered party size. Really makes me not want to play and if they don't revert to the previous method where you can pick any map for every party size I will not be playing next season and will no longer promote this game to friends and others.

[wheat mirage]

tbh they created this issue by introducing free map selection. They should have left it at rotation so people didn't have unrealistic expectations

Free map selection is something they should introduce if the playerbase remains consistently large enough for it. They should not have even tested it at the current concurrent player count

At 9000 concurrent players, that's 500 players per queue (9 normal queues, 9 high roller). If a match is, on average, 20 minutes long, that means by distribution between an 18 minute game and 2 minute lobby, there will be 450 in game, and 50 in a lobby at any one time.
This means 50 people can join a solo queue over a 2 minute period
25 teams can join duos (2 lobbies) over a 2 minute period
or 16 teams can join a trio over a 2 minute period

That all sounds just about doable.

Except now, let's split that down by 10 different timezone'd servers

5 people in solos
2.5 teams in duos
1.6 teams in trios

And we're talking about their peak times

We're also not accounting for Ruins lasting longer than 20 minutes via delving, requiring 2-3x the time

Oh, and it's assuming all maps, group sizes and servers have an absolutely equal distribution of players

I honestly don't know how free map selection even happened

To clarify, rotation multiplies these lobbies by 3 (again, at peak times)
So we're looking at 15 in solos, 7.5 teams in duos and almost 5 teams in trios

So even with the most limited map rotation previously used, 9,000 was barely scraping by

[coral heron]

This game is epic, I hope the player base grows enough soon for map of choice to be viable. Here's to the future sucess of this game so that they can adress these issue.

[wicked grove]

thats nice an all but in the end i had no problems with it, some matches had a few people/teams and some were full, it was nice.

[wheat mirage]

I'd say have the rotations in, make normals for levels 1-19 only and make the client able to handle free map selection and other method of map selection too.
Then make it so the method of selection can be altered per server and on a server-side basis (e.g. no patch required)

This way they can give the best queue method to each server and update it easily without patches

[barren urchin]

they could fix the problem by making it the original rotation system and having shorter timer for rotations tbh

[wicked grove]

Maybe rotaion for normals free choice for HR?

[wheat mirage]

peak hours? free selection, otherwise rotation
Low pop server? rotation
etc

[wheat mirage]

Someone mentioned the issue for that is if it's too short then people skip the map entirely, resulting in the same overall issue

[jaunty hound]

It was viable, missing 1 team does not greatly affect the map. Especially on something like ice map where pvp is rare even with a fully lobby.

Also all queues are not equal, and this could be an experiment for steam release.

[barren urchin]

i mean if people dont wanna play a certain map, maybe something is wrong with it

[wheat mirage]

The real solution to rotation is making each map equally appealing

[wicked grove]

the rotation system just make people not play or sit out maps for huge amounts of time. its bad

[barren urchin]

or perhaps they only wanna play the new map?

[jaunty hound]

That is core the of it really. But forcing people to play maps that arent up to snuff from their perspective is going to make them hate the map for when they can finally free-select the map

[unkempt nest]

@keen onyx PLEASE REMOVE ITEMS FROM THE MARKET LISTING ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN PURCHASED!!!!!! PLEEEEEAASE

[wheat mirage]

Tbh I think they could have also gone with random maps per run with just one queue.
Just make sure people can have goals on whatever map they enter

[wheat mirage]

True. But so long as people can arbitrarily have a favourite, it won't matter how equal the maps are. They'll still complain unfortunately.

[zealous pine]

Is the splash art for the classes gonna return? or maybe have a toggle for it. I kinda like it better than the 3D models

[wintry sonnet]

Thoughts on this updates rotation style? I have a burning hate for it as of right now.

[zealous pine]

Honestly its good for the amount of players, Having Ruins always available for 3s if they wanna boss and then they can goof around in the other maps if they want too

[wintry sonnet]

I hate it, I just want it to pick between solo, duo, and trio....

[toxic scroll]

i can agree, this new rotation update kinda killed the vibe for me, im teaching some new guys how to play and weve been doing goblin cave trios havong a great time, we can do them when the rotation hits but none of us want to wait 30 plus minutes for the rotation, the way it was set yesterday was perfect, can we please go back to what we had before??

[tired owl]

its their cheap way of "fixing latency issues" having less map instances going at the same time

[toxic scroll]

i love this game and the devs and how much work theyve been putting into the game the constant updates really shows their dedication to this game, i can understand needing a fix to latency issues but come on guys, please just give us our normal rotation back it was perfect and i know these guys are smart enough to fix the latency issues but itll prob be a few weeks \

[velvet grove]

Remove the whole patch, rotation has never and will never be a good idea. Marketplace is bug central

Everyone understands they did map rotation to help fix latency, if its that bad you need some type of steam support. Doing a game platform and game alone has proven way too difficult for them

[wheat mirage]

They did it for queue times.
Prior to rotation they had what we have now, but with less choice

[graceful frost]

They did the rotation for queue time. And the marketplace is in for testing, since they cant test thousands of people using it internally

[velvet grove]

But they did a big update with 3 people in the office? When they know there will be issues over a “holiday” lmfao dont be so defensive over those ignorant choices xd

[wheat mirage]

I don't think anyone is saying that's a good choice. I doubt even they are saying it

[dire anvil]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533204/a-new-cleric-item I had a idea of a off hand casting item for cleric check it out please

[graceful frost]

They did the update since either way they cant test the marketplace in house

[wheat mirage]

I wanted a +magic healing casting item. I wanted it to be a mainhand tho, so it was a casting item that allowed an off-hand (with left click being used to cast)

Something like a Censer lantern, while being able to hold a shield and defend between casts. Seemed like peak healer

[dire anvil]

I could see that but cleric needs a item like crystal ball in my opinion

[wheat mirage]

I have no objection to both, just mentioning it 😛

[dire anvil]

do you like the idea though

[wheat mirage]

I think it being a +healing base casting item is good. Not sure if it should have something else to distinguish itself from ball and spellbook just to make it a bit more unique.
I imagine it also needs to be applicable to at least 2 classes. So probably something that themnatically a warlock would use too (+healing ofc being their jam too)

[dire anvil]

I was think that if a warlock uses a cross is would make him take more damage on cast

[wheat mirage]

tbh with a warlock I'd worry about them not using the ball anymore

[dire anvil]

since god would be punishing him for use one of his idols

[wheat mirage]

Maybe it would be good to just clas restrict it away from warlock by being a cross thinking about it.
Then maybe it can be a Druid offhand

[dire anvil]

yeah I was think it was cleric druid item work

[wheat mirage]

Maybe make it an Ankh instead of a Cross, just so it's not a purely holy item

[dire anvil]

cleric needs a unique item to be honest he has no speical items and is the least uniquely buildable class

[wheat mirage]

Combination it's pretty unique.
Frocks or Armour
Spells and shields

[dire anvil]

not really he has one best build

[wheat mirage]

Fair, just saying he has combination options as potential

[dire anvil]

with no point in using the others unlike slayer fighter or meleelock which are useable and have a neice

[wheat mirage]

I don't think sharing an off-hand with Druid would kill them though. And and Ankh would fit well with both

[dire anvil]

I only say a cross since this is like 900 the holy cross would be everwhere and I dont have anything agaisnt a druid sharing it

[wheat mirage]

Oh yeah, it's just I don't see where a druid would get power from a Cross from. While an Ankh is just a symbol of life and rebirth.
I get what you mean though. I'd almost recommend the censer as the off-hand in that case

"a container for burning incense, esp one swung at religious ceremonies"

Not necessarily just christianity, plus visually an off-hand spilling smoke to the floor would look neat (or maybe it just smokes on cast)

[velvet grove]

The point is that it was a terrible idea to do on a holiday, especially before patches they KNOW they will need a hotfix. 3 people isnt sufficient to fix the current issues thats why everyones angry lmao

[dire anvil]

I just see the cross as a better pick espically since are main healing class will always be the cleric

[wheat mirage]

I'm not against the cross, just that it would probably need to be unique as you mention. Though back to the Warlock, maybe a Perk that allows them to use it (no downside, they just need to use a perk). Then they literally just hold it upsidedown

[dire anvil]

welp upvote and comment you opinion on my post pwease

[wheat mirage]

Gave it a vote

[dire anvil]

the upside down part is funny

[wheat mirage]

ty xD
Anyway, no mention of the map rotation in the patch, so going to go watch general chat explode 🙂

[round yarrow]

Dark Elf skin when ironmace 👀

[oblique pewter]

wtf goblin cave with 2 bosses in solo and ice cavern without boss in duo wtf

[round yarrow]

They’re going to put an actual boss where the loot pile currently is. That or when they add a down level there will be. Supposedly it’s an ice dragon

[pallid vector]

its not finished, its meant to be 3 stages like ruins

[dire anvil]

its going to be a massive ice wyvern

[nimble obsidian]

Personally I do not mind a map rotation nor do I mind a choice. However I have thought of an okay solution. Rather than lock people out of maps, have an incentive to play the current one on rotation by having an AP multiplier. That way if someone wants to play on a specific map but its not the current rotation, they still can. It incentives the grinders to play on the rotated map. Or could even by mean about it and have it so if its not the rotation you only get 75% of earned AP so it not even profitable to do the non selected map at a Higher rank

[meager jasper]

Just as a reminder the game is still unplayable while "rotations" are like this. Nobody wants to be locked to one map. Undo this foolish decision. Either go back to rotation or go back to selection. This is not a "hybrid" it's just a hard lock on usability. @keen onyx @dawn grotto

If you want a real hybrid system, revert the game to full selection mode, and then add a random quickplay system separately (that joins the same lobbies, but gives everyone who uses it 50 luck or something minorly beneficial for using it) to level out usage of all three maps.

[wheat mirage]

The main issue with the current rotation is that you don't always have a rotation.

The previous rotation always had something for each party size.
The current rotation is "We are currently on Trio Ice Caves, if you want a Duo map at all, come back in an hour"

It's ironically worse for lobbies too, as people need to go an check to see if they are even able to queue the rotation at all. And if not, it increases the odds they'll just log off, and maybe just miss their rotation entirely

[meager jasper]

I am willing to tolerate this foolishness until the season changes, at most, but as soon as I need to do quests on the other maps I will stop playing. Because you've done this, ranged-focused classes cannot use the ranged-focus solo map, the ruins to actually get gear solo, being forced into closer quarters with melee characters. And no one but trios can do ruins or inferno quests.

Furthermore, I play duos mostly. The ice caves is without a doubt one of the hardest maps which has an extreme pve focus. It's a lovely map. But do you think I want to play it exclusively? No.

[sly meteor]

Remove the rotation.
Reverse it to where anyone could pick any map.

The main argument to bring back map rotation is that theirs "not enought players,and people just farm dead lobbys".Which for one wasnt my experience,in every map,my lobbys where filled to the brim.Secondly,if people are PURPOSELY AVOIDING A MAP,maybe make the god darn map interesting,instead of force feeding it to your players?

Personally I got the good end of the stick,as idm gobbo caves that much,but now,duoing with my buddys is impossible since the worst map of the roaster is perma duo now.
Awfull.
Your player base would distribute evenly if the fun and rewards where equivalent on all 3 maps.Wakey wakey iron mace,even a teenager would make better decisions.

[sharp coral]

where do you go to actually submit suggestions

[wheat mirage]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

To note though, we don't even know if these are even still read or not

[sly meteor]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533216/remove-map-rotation

Go vote,for a rotation free future!

Not when 2/3 maps are objectively unfun.

#Blue hair opinion invalid

[lost tendon]

maybe make the ranking system not created by a 4 year old making everyone team. (looting gear loses ap) what type of braindamged individual came up with that

[modest narwhal]

YOU SHOULD GET ON A MINE CART FROM THE GOBLIN CAVES TO GO TO THE ICE CAVES! that is all

[wide badge]

Adding a private match/custom game where u dont lose items nor gain items or AP would be great. it would be really nice to practice HR bosses

[formal wadi]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533222/dual-wield-gives-action-speed
Dual wielding should give you an action speed bonus

[dire anvil]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533204/a-new-cleric-item A offhand casting item for cleric

[coral heron]

All praise to the devs for the compensation in stones! Hopfully they will extend the season a week aswell! Thanks! @keen onyx @dawn grotto @zealous linden

[patent mauve]

Change the rotation map queue to 10 minutes

[limber fiber]

Backpacks.
We need more space for more loot. Preferably (imo) they would come in different sizes and would be able to be found like normal gear. Satchels for example could be an uncommon, low storage, high value item. Might encourage pvp like capes do. Maybe you could craft bigger bags.

[sharp roost]

Make the rotation shorter, easy fix.

[uncut flume]

Are they going to give more time to reach demigod? So many roll backs, so many bugs, anouncing demigod rewards 29 days before season ends without saying there would be rewards on demigod ranks all that time before, feels kind of unfair, I got pathfinde at the beggining of the season and stopped tryharding loot because I didnt know there would be more rewards on higher rewards.

[swift spear]

Remove the map rotations and bring back last patch's pick any map option. Its unfair to players who dont have teams to play with to now have to deal with trios and duos just to complete their quests

[languid spoke]

lol they told us the rewards would be revealed closer to the end of the season tho

[elfin onyx]

Like how your able to choose a random attribute, give the option to make sure you don't get one with a certain attributive ie. cross out magical healing while im looking for a falchion

[unborn yacht]

i want solo que normies back for all maps at all times, this restricting map selection is awful

[unborn yacht]

yeah i agree im in this boat, im a solo que player so now we essentially been cut off form 2/3rds of the game's content in terms of maps

[carmine radish]

Just got 1 shot by a wizard staff tap when i had full health, wtf does ironmace think they're doing

[unborn yacht]

if they dont fix the map selection by not restricting it by next patch im gonna loose hope

[minor oriole]

id rather have the old rotation that rotated all three maps from duo, trio, and solo. at least your solo player base wouldn't be considering giving up on the game altogether and moving on.

[wicked grove]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533231/please-add-gigga-chad-raceskin-or-character-customization

[languid pebble]

Suggestion, stop making the game suck azz with forced map rotation. let us simply choose, solo/duo/trio -> Whatever map we fukin want.

[uncut flume]

I didnt see it anywhere, also it should say in the rewards screen, not in a discord in my opinion, i dont have time to check everything the dev say

[trim flint]

Same thing happened to me earlier, my experience with this game so far is that if you don't play the overpowered things, you just lose to it. There balance is that far off that if you even think about playing offmeta you will flail until some sweat lord runs you down with a pdr melee or mage in solo's.

[carmine radish]

yeah

[eternal dock]

Please revert to the "old" rotation system at the very least, this new rotation is killing the game.

[bronze thistle]

we hsould be able to choose what map we play

[vestal cloud]

can we please be able to play the map we want this is absolutley ridiculous i didnt pay for this game to play goblin caves all day

ironmace no one like this map change revert it i dont think you have one postive feedback on it

[languid spoke]

old rotation system was 100x better than this trash

[forest tundra]

delete general chat

[quaint leaf]

get rid of gold gear like the concept but its too powerful and easy to get

[indigo grail]

add more portals to goblin caves again, I understand decreasing the amount to get people to not team as much, but the fact that even after killing half the lobby and not being able to get a portal is kinda really annoying, I've already lost 4 kits to this and the cons to having so little portals heavily outway the pros, it doesnt even effect how much people team anyways i was just going 1v4 against people with rubysilver and even gold gear

[small furnace]

Better it's somewhat easy to get than impossible. Still probably shouldn't exist in general though. +6 all is just way too strong.

[indigo grail]

whats bad about this system, you can finally choose what map you want to play??

[small furnace]

Have you logged in since they made the change?

[indigo grail]

yeah ive been playing the entire time, you can choose what map you want to play, of course theres the rotation thing too but whats the point in using that whne you can just choose the map you want

[languid spoke]

Huh? That was yesterday. Today solo = goblin cave only. Duo = ice cave. Trio = ruins

[indigo grail]

isnt it always like that???

[small furnace]

You cannot in fact choose what you want to play. Solos GC only, Duos Ice Cave, Trios ruins. Then there's ONE rotation.

[indigo grail]

so your saying that you dont like having trios solod out to only one map?

[small furnace]

I think the previous rotation was better than what we have now. I do not think that being forced to play one map as per your party size is the ideal way to enjoy the game.

[indigo grail]

i think its 100x better now, having to play two maps you hate or having to just outright wait an hour till they pass is ridiculous

[small furnace]

Huh??? What if you hate goblin caves and you're a solo though? You have to wait a lot longer than an hour to play.

[indigo grail]

then how about making the helpful suggestion of adding solos duos and trios queue to all maps instead of continuously calling the queue method trash

[small furnace]

What even is your deal? We both said the previous rotation system was better than this one. This one is worse than the previous. Just revert it and call it a day.

[vestal cloud]

your making no sense rn now your forced to play only one map and the roation is so dumb you wont play ruins for 2 hours

[indigo grail]

i never said the previous system was better i like the current one better cause goblin caves is a good solos map, i was just retorting the argument you made saying that this system is better

[small furnace]

I don't have a response to you that wouldn't get me muted by a moderator.

[indigo grail]

that because you lack the braincells necessary to compile a valid argument

[indigo grail]

youre not "being forced", you can always queue up for trios its just not prefered

[sweet hull]

please check out my suggestions and see if you like them thanks 😘 I worked very hard on them https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533130/mana-added-to-game-for-spell-casters-instead-of-sitting-and-knowledge-buffwizard https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533116/bounty-systembounty-merchant https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533117/3-floor-map-progression-and-remove-zone-and-pay-coins-to-enter https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533119/love-for-cleric-from-a-solo-player-perksspells-etc https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533122/skin-suggestions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533125/current-race-reworksuggestions-for-future-ones-part-1 https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533126/current-race-reworksuggestions-for-future-ones-part-2 https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533129/more-resources-in-the-dungeonsgame-ideas-resourceful-skill-rework https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533251/solo-duo-trio-map-fix

[strong cobalt]

warlocks use falchions commonly u cant just completly strike that stat away and if you mean only for yourself then BIS would become the norm and that really wouldnt be fun. imagine a rouge can always get +weapon dmg +true physical dmg on a blue dagger. THAT WOULD BE BUSTED AS HELL. he will do falchion dmg on a dagger

[meager jasper]

I am once again asking IM to undo their bad map rotation system.

[tacit hatch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/519557/increase-ranger-arrow-speed

[viral mason]

Is there any plans for V-Sync or some alternatives? I am getting Screen tearing and only in this game I can't overide it. Why is there so little graphic options.

[fallen venture]

I think a rotation of maps could work if it rotated every 20 minutes and it would be 2 solo maps, 2 duo maps, and 2 trio maps and they rotate to cover Ice Caves, Goblin Caves, and Ruins. E.g. One rotation it would be GC and IC solo, IC and Ruin Duo, and Ruin and Gc trios and after 20 minutes it could rotate to IC + Ruins Solo, Ruins + GC duo and Gc + Ic trios, and so on. It would effectively double the servers they would need to keep up but also make it so there was more map choice and hopefully matchmaking wouldn’t be completely empty compared to there being Solo duo and trio for every map like last last patch

[scarlet temple]

Instead of map rotate make us rotate classes

[sullen trellis]

Add a que system similar to league of legends or plenty of other games where you select a map wait till lobby fills and then go in. Some maps might take a while but its better then the current map rotation/no choice system now.

[leaden wyvern]

I'm over this season, to many changes. Was hoping to at least grind to Voyager for the shiny but on top of reworking portals, the bloody maps aren't even the same. Would rather solo-trio than solo goblin caves (there goes both solo & trio rankings) and trios have gotten ridiculous, Ruins is obv. the fan favorite. Does anyone even look at the rotation que now out of curiosity? Point is I had more fun at the start of this season to about a week and a half ago, now I just hate queuing up cause I know I'm in for some fuck shit.

Also please for the love of god add ping/fps counters so I know how soon I need to dodge skellies from scratching my chestpiece for 3/4ths my health. How about a death recap if you're feeling frisky. Maybe an arena/training ground area to test out gear and perk combos? Would rather have all of this than a new map and a fucked up rotation.

[hollow meadow]

Cringe. no. Bring back old GC map. It could be a bit bigger than 9 tiles but not 15 tiles. maybe 11 or 12.

[scarlet temple]

Nah cap. Too big to find portals I only escape by camping statics. Much cooler map tho

[leaden wyvern]

I dislike goblin caves, but I liked it better when I could actually find portals.

lol

[scarlet temple]

The storm gets in me way

[leaden wyvern]

The old one was better. If you truly disliked a map you'd just swap to a different que or trade for the remainder of the rotation. But you had a choice unlike now for us that don't like goblin/ice caves period. From what I was told, there was not enough people were queuing in the middle of the night, like no shit. Then why add a third map further diversifying the ques. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Keep the old rotation system but instead of rotating 3 maps you keep ruins in and then swap out goblin or ice caves daily maybe.

[civic zodiac]

im fine with the new change in rotation but they should let a solo queue for all map. i cant stand playing GC this map is so horrible for my taste and being outnumbered everywhere else is very unfriendly. solo ice cavern was my favorite but playing vs duo is a huge turnoff tbf. hope they revert the patch cuz the reason i started back playing just been removed...

[torpid wren]

Anyone seeing this suggestion, please read it and if you don't like something, please share more elaborate thoughts than "stupid idea"

If you find it interesting, please vote it the end.

Every Floor should add in for a 1min lobby new players in the game with different gear level limits:

1.Ruins map - Up to Green starting gear - 15 Players in the Lobby.

2.Crypts - Up to blue Starting gear -12 Players Lobby

3.Hell - No limit to Gear. - 9 Players lobby.

4.Boss - Last Circle in hell zone to spawn a Boss portal for 3 people

Make the boss a different floor for the last 3 people standing, being interrupted while in the boss arena is also the most frustrating experience, especially that now you have to get trough 3 floors to get to the boss and then not being able to do it because people are trolls.

You can make some different portals spawned in the current boss room in the middle, so that people would fight for it in hell, as it would be an Arena.

You can vote for this here: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533271/3-floorlayer-equipment-lobbies-4th-floor-boss-room

[unborn yacht]

this is how i feel right now, if the solo que normies needs to be brought back this new roation system is a nightmare come true

[limber elbow]

The sword mastery perk has a bug. Instead of blocking an attack, it will increase action speed by 50%, but it will freeze and cannot do anything other than stand still.

[unborn yacht]

without the ability to pick solo que normies on any map any time this game is circling the drain

we have literally been cut off from 2/3rds of the games content becuase of this bullshit

who ever designed the map rotation system is actively sabotaging the game's playability

ive been playing other games instead becuase of this glaring issue alone

[granite plinth]

Do a map rotation for the less played map goblin cave that switches each 30 minutes solo - duo - trio .
Let us pick the other maps how we want.
Just bring back map selection!!

[mystic furnace]

I feel the same Karoga, having so strict (sorry for bad english) choices in maps is so heartbreaking.

[unborn yacht]

yeah seriously @keen onyx its make or break. fix the maps selection or im never coming back to the game

그래, 정말 성공이냐 망이냐. 지도 선택을 수정하지 않으면 게임에 다시 돌아오지 않습니다 @keen onyx @dawn grotto

[mystic furnace]

Also a reduction in player count on each map would not hurt. I might be in the minority here, but I had the most fun, when I was in a duo with a friend and we only had 2 or 3 other squads going head to head in the goblin caves.

[unborn yacht]

i just hate the fact im forced to find randoms to play without getting teamed on , they try to fix teaming but all they did was garentee it like WTF

[granite plinth]

If you keep up the map rotation you will have less and less players. The community will die

[unborn yacht]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto im seriously gonna give up hope you if this isn't fixed by next patch

다음 패치로 이 문제가 해결되지 않으면 정말 희망을 포기할 것 같습니다. 너희들은 빌어먹을 게임 토론 채널을 준비하기 위해 Google 번역을 사용하는 방법을 모르니?

[civic zodiac]

no one like map rotation when maps are so different. every1 will have a preference and hated one and a rotation just make every1 unhappy. every map should have a solo mode and the 2 other the second mod related to it like duo for ice cavern and trio for ruins whatever. gonna be still lots of different game mode but it gonna still have 10 instead of 18 and every1 will find their place at the end of the day. this update is only good for streamer and super sweath, every casual and solo player is losing with these changes

[unborn yacht]

yeah its only gonna make the OP player MORE OP and leave everybody else behind

yeah seriously its make or break. fix the maps selection or im never coming back to the game
그래, 정말 성공이냐 망이냐. 지도 선택을 수정하지 않으면 게임에 다시 돌아오지 않습니다

이 게임이 배수구를 돌고 있을 때마다 어느 맵에서나 솔로 퀘스트 표준을 선택할 수 있는 능력이 없습니다.

이 헛소리 때문에 말 그대로 게임 콘텐츠의 2/3가 차단되었습니다.

맵 회전 시스템을 설계한 사람이 게임의 플레이 가능성을 적극적으로 방해하고 있습니다.

이 심각한 문제 때문에 다른 게임을 하고 있어요

[civic zodiac]

some peoples actually enjoy half filled lobby to learn map and being able to pve without too much pressure. this game for solo average player is already unforgiving enough theres no need to force solo to play vs experimented duo and trio on top of that.

[unborn yacht]

yeah its only gonna make the OP player MORE OP and leave everybody else behind
yeah seriously its make or break. fix the maps selection or im never coming back to the game
그래, 정말 성공이냐 망이냐. 지도 선택을 수정하지 않으면 게임에 다시 돌아오지 않습니다

이 게임이 배수구를 돌고 있을 때마다 어느 맵에서나 솔로 퀘스트 표준을 선택할 수 있는 능력이 없습니다.

이 헛소리 때문에 말 그대로 게임 콘텐츠의 2/3가 차단되었습니다.

맵 회전 시스템을 설계한 사람이 게임의 플레이 가능성을 적극적으로 방해하고 있습니다.

이 심각한 문제 때문에 다른 게임을 하고 있어요
@dawn grotto @sdf

eah its only gonna make the OP player MORE OP and leave everybody else behind
yeah seriously its make or break. fix the maps selection or im never coming back to the game
그래, 정말 성공이냐 망이냐. 지도 선택을 수정하지 않으면 게임에 다시 돌아오지 않습니다

이 게임이 배수구를 돌고 있을 때마다 어느 맵에서나 솔로 퀘스트 표준을 선택할 수 있는 능력이 없습니다.

이 헛소리 때문에 말 그대로 게임 콘텐츠의 2/3가 차단되었습니다.

맵 회전 시스템을 설계한 사람이 게임의 플레이 가능성을 적극적으로 방해하고 있습니다.

이 심각한 문제 때문에 다른 게임을 하고 있어요
@Graysun @sdf this is worst than a forced bandaid solution is stright up sabatoge of your own game

[civic zodiac]

no need to spamm staff it just not gonna help at all tbf. for my part ima go back to my break of dark and darker after only 2 day of enjoying the game like crazy. im kinda very disappointed

[unborn yacht]

that is how i feel too, i only got t enjoy it for a couple days because the map selection was ruined, i had plans to quit the game before this and they take away the only thing keeping me here real fast

[civic zodiac]

sometime i feel like they do it on purpose cuz they love peoples salty tears. this game is so unique and awesome peoples love it but the back and forth of very questionable patches they do really ruining everything its sad

[unborn yacht]

yeah ):

[civic zodiac]

the weirdest part is we cant see the logic behind this. like if the empty lobby was a problem instead of rotation they would just need a random selection with extended timer for full game. if some gamemode is too op for farming points just nerf certain gamemode points attribution or having a versatile entrance cost/reward depending on the number of players in lobby. theres so much better thing to be done than ruining the game experience for a large percentage of the playerbase.

[unborn yacht]

@dawn grotto

[spark cypress]

same i just came back had so much fun and they just ripped it away

[civic zodiac]

i think they are testing everything shamelessly and blindly to try to figure out by trial and error what could work the best but... they should reduce the amount of drastic gamechanging changes and ask more the playerbase for guideline

[unborn yacht]

they need to do polls

[meager jasper]

Agree with everything that's being said. Map rotation was better. Full selection felt even better. If they want to even out map players they should have a quickplay queue that puts a team into a random or the lowest queue but gives them a luck boost for the run or something like that as an incentive

[unborn yacht]

yeah this woulda beena much better idea than what they did

[spark cypress]

or extra ap maybe

[civic zodiac]

i think the highroller point disctribution should be versatile on the amount of player per game for normal gamemodes and having a random queue with extended timer for full lobby with a 10-20% bonus for the unpredictable part and the full lobby. every1 would enjoy it.

stop suggesting on a suggestion channel. is a pretty weird suggestion XD

[meager jasper]

Shush bottom

[unborn yacht]

all we want is the garbage map roation system to be removed and replaced with free selection!

[civic zodiac]

if we here talking about it instead of playing or doing something else is because we care and want the game to move in the best direction.

[unborn yacht]

i hope they already have plans to bring back free selection that they are just brutally doing this to us just for DATA/STATS to look at

[civic zodiac]

yeah but i dont think my suggestion was bad imo its kinda whats necessary rn unless u think otherwise?

[unborn yacht]

i know i have majority opinion, i see so many other people also hating the new map rotation system, and wanting back free selection just like myself,

if thats doesen't say somthing idk what will

[silver grove]

Goblin Caves Is Bugged Please Fix Asap - Portals Are Not Spawning!

[granite plinth]

let us pick the map we want to play

[tulip venture]

The buff bard needs is an instrument bandolier

[civic zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/ark-ark-ice-cave-ice-cave-raid-ark-meme-gif-26906441

[solar falcon]

I'll take a new song that adds magical damage to weapon attacks

[leaden wyvern]

Game literally became hot garbage with one patch. I hate that I love this game. Confirmed that goblin cave solos are a dumpster fire experience.

[hallow flare]

Portal nerf makes it unplayable, you are basically required to swarm camp exits, and even then fight other people in the swarm doing the same. Basically impossible to grind any meaningful amount of AP

[leaden wyvern]

Exactly this. Also I just hate that map. Never liked it since release. Add emoting comments in this one so we can bump shit everyone agrees with please. back to refusing to do goblin caves.

[tulip venture]

Does the perk war song not already do that or is that 3 phis damage?

[solar falcon]

phys dmg for 6 seconds to all teammates in the radius of the song

I want a 30/40/60 seconds song that adds 10 magical dmg

[hallow flare]

Maybe a hot take, but maybe gob cave could be given the ice cave treatment and old gob cave mob density could come back while removing swarm. Due to lack of exits, still have portals appear but few and far between, so you either have to fight over the few statics or just risk it and explore. Instead of the blizzard feature, it could be an earthquake that caves it in and you get smashed by a boulder lol.

[tulip venture]

Which is real similar to a lot of the “very impactful” team buffs like accelarondo or however it’s spelled

[solar falcon]

I've been saying they need to bring back old GC and use the new modules to make a new second floor map, troll on first cyclops on second floor

remove the zone add a few more statics and boom map fixed portal issue resolved, more AP for solo farmers, no more lag

[strong grotto]

The main problem and issue of players, I think, is the fact that they want, they COVET that AP at the end. But when they've reduced the ways to extract - they've reduced the times you progress in the AP count too. So, now, instead of playing for some kind of goal, people feel they WASTE their time in the game without progressing to the rewards they want. So it is not even the problem of how many exits there are, or how those exits look, static or not, it is the problem that people do not like to feel they waste their time in the game, that was supposed to help them relax. AP gain should not be gated behind if you extract or not. Extraction just needs to be a simple line in the list of your gains. Do that and, vu à la the problem with teamers is solved, people are more inclined to engage PvP and, which is even more important, their satisfaction with the game will not decline, for even if they lose - they still made some progress.

[serene grove]

waaa waaa

[tulip venture]

I would love if you needed both clubs to open the cursed door rather than kill both bosses but that’s only if the clubs dropped 100% of the time

[hallow flare]

To be fair to the devs, it sucks to play right now but there is a lot more meaningful discussion on aspects that need to be improved upon, but by offering rewards people want at the same time is foolish. All these issues right now stem from the devs not getting enough data, and when they make steps to do that they counteract players ability to have fun in their game. Honestly, the best fix they can hope for this issue right now is to get on steam and separate the game between stable build and test build. They could offer rewards for playing the test build like Sea of Thieves has, where by just playing it a certain amount each week gives you rewards in the main game, so people are incentivized to test for them without fear of losing progress in the main game. They’d probably have to come to steam to have a large enough player base for this to work though

Lobbies not filling up all the way wouldn’t really matter in the test build though, because there is nothing to be gained, other then proposed rewards based only on time played, so shouldn’t matter if the test build has less players, it would be the best middle ground where they can use the player base to test the game without upsetting us too much

[strong grotto]

I doubt it is about data. I'd say it either about stuborness or plain lacking of working hands. Stuborness as in the case of many classes and many more requests in the suggestions, the QoL improvements people want, yet denied, because it isn't fitting their "vision". Fair to that, but if you aren't going to accept any ideas - that suggestion page shouldn't exist in the first place.
As for lacking of working hands... Have they won that court process? How much have they made of game so far? Is it even really profitable and they can hire more people? I don't know. The thing I know though, or suspect I shoud say, is that with this kind of updating speed, how they patch things unchecked... I think there is less people working on the game than should.

And if I am right at either of those points, then Steam re-launch will not improve ANYTHING. It iwll only make matters worse and more loud.

[south wren]

I posted a suggestion for a new currency : Platinium Tokens.

Link to the suggestion => https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533304/add-a-new-currency-platinium-token

The idea is to add a new currency : the platinium token. Players will be able to use this currency in trade for higher items, instead of gold ingot or golden keys. This currency could be availlable at the Treasurer for 1000g, and could be sold at the Collector for the same amount.
Actually, selling high items with ingots or keys doesn't give gold. We have to trade again to touch the monney.
With this currency, that will be easier to get gold coins. And the price of a token won't change, instead of Gold ingots or Golden keys.

[rustic seal]

LET US CHOOSE PARTY SIZE WITH MAPS, LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY @ironmace

[tulip venture]

Frankly even if they were worth 10g each it would be very impactful to stash space

[south wren]

is it bad ?

[lusty parrot]

No it’s good, allows for more items to be stored

[hallow flare]

That is definitely true, the devs are understaffed but clearly passionate workaholics too, but it is easier for things to slip through the cracks that way. I guess the best we can hope for is for the lawsuit to actually end soon so they can stop having to blow their money on it.

[strong grotto]

Anything that reduces storage place used is good.

[lusty parrot]

If they stack in like say 30 and each worth 10 g it would be good to invest in those since it’s easier to carry

[tulip venture]

Right now you can post an item for a crazy amount of gold and buy it from yourself to store it for up to a week

[hallow flare]

I assume gold bags are going to be more available in the future, and not just a seasonal reward, so that should already help a lot

[tulip venture]

I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for you to finish typing

[strong grotto]

It is clear they've needed money when at start they wanted to sell new classes for cash. It is good they've realised it will inevitably lead to P2W, as if you paid for class it HAS to be good, right? And what classes will receive more updates and tweaks? Those who sell BEST. That was a good part of their decision. The bad side is - FUNDING. I don't know how much they make on those store items, really, I don't think there was anything I wanted to buy too, like I've done my part supporting the game with buying it in early access state, becoming, basically a test subject, trusting them with develpment. And I don't think many other people will also buy anything from that store... So how are they funded? That is the core issue of how slow the game is progressing.

[hallow flare]

That’s why I’ve been giving them a lot at least, got both coffee bundles and hope they to more tbh, Madrinas is good. If they do more, I’ll get those too. Lawsuit ending should be a good boon for them, but assuming they win they’ll probably counter sue for damages, in the meantime having to pay more legal fees

[rustic seal]

Same, I got it for the emote, If they added emotes, campfire skins, Rest animations...etc to buy , Something for them to generate money it would help. While they do have a shop, not much is in it.

[strong grotto]

You do you, mate. As I've said - I am already giving them my support by purchasing the EAccess game and giving my feedback on the issues I see. If the game will make it to the launch of 1.0, now THEN I can consider spending any more of that cash.

[granite plinth]

how does the new rotation work

[granite plinth]

bro how does new map rotation work? i just logged in and it was 3 min solo ice caves then it rotated into trio ice caves i thought it's gonna rotate into solo ruins

[strong grotto]

I haven't played the game for 3 past days, waiting till they fix, and re-fix, and then re-patch all over again. Can't tell you.

And, judging by the way memes-only channel is progressing... I did right choice witholding on the game for a bit, lol.

[solar falcon]

how about we test out a few new things, and actually let people know it's only a test unless it's well received.

1, remove the group cap on all maps so you only select where and normal/HR and your AP is based on what size your party is when you queue in. they track what group sizes like to go to what map during this time and adjust the static queues by this metric. and add a rotation of a few queues for the lower played queues but not remove them.

2, AP is earned character wide and where you go and what size your group is does not seperate it, and we keep the solo caves, duo ice, trios ruins set up

then have a Poll in the blacksmith launcher to vote and write in responses only one time per account to give feedback so a loud minority of crazies on reddit and Gen chat don't control the perception of the players opinions

[undone lake]

Please make ice caves hell for gobs caves then make it solo and duo ques only. Keep ruin/crypts the same but duo and trios ques only.

[tulip venture]

I would be so sad if my pride and joy ice caves were locked behind the greasy goblins

[rich veldt]

Please add class filter to marketplace

[unborn yacht]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🅰️ 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 ‼️ 🆓 🇹 🇭 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 🇸‼️

[undone lake]

Can make everyone happy but I feel this will make the majority happy especially over this bs new rotation. Currently it's 4 different lobby's. This i the same but gives others more freedom instead of feeling locked to one area

[unborn yacht]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🅰️ 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 ‼️ 🆓 🇹 🇭 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 🇸‼️

[main turret]

More detailed patch notes would be nice. Like how often maps will rotate now etc. pretty vague patch notes half the time. Were left figuring this shit out ourselves.

[dusty wedge]

If we're going to have map rotation there should be an option for each team size at all times

[unborn yacht]

agreed but idealy i want normies solo que to be open at all times for all maps, the way it is right now its not even worth my time if im trying to play anything specific that isn't already on classic

[solar falcon]

the whole reason for map rotation is to reduce queue amounts so lobbies aren't empty and not limit people too much but it's never going to work

[unborn yacht]

yeah its a forced bandaid solution, they didn't do a poll like they shoulda, or at least have waited

[solar falcon]

the real answer to the problem is to focus on the main game and plan while letting queues just be a little light on players and focus on prepping the balance and content for the wave of people coming with the steam return

more players will completely resolve the problem and map rotation is making people quit, make the game fun and balanced and people will come back and stay.

they need to add a poll to blacksmith that you have to answer before opening the game again to get really player feedback that can't be swayed by the reddit nerds loud minority

[viscid swift]

But we have optino for each team size. Ruins - trio, ice cave - duo, goblin cave - solo 24/7

[unborn yacht]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🅰️ 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 ‼️ 🆓 🇹 🇭 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 🇸‼️

[merry kestrel]

make Crystal Sword a one handed weapon, remove spell casting option outside of CBall.

Right now it's the WORST casting item (Slowest, no +damage add). Making it a main hand gives Wizards a new weapon option for PvE and opens up more build options for them, warlocks, and even fighters with CBall offhand.

[hallow flare]

Not to mention all the times you fail to cast when it bonks off something lol

[forest sedge]

not sure if it had been posted yet, but could we make the market items sort be based on per item value for stacks.
for example 5 gold ingots for 500 (500/5) would be higher on the list (cheaper) than 1 gold ingot for 125

[vague edge]

Remove map rotations

[unborn yacht]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🅰️ 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 ‼️ 🆓 🇹 🇭 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 🇸‼️

[scarlet kite]

🆓 🇹 🇭 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 ‼️

[languid spoke]

They are doing quite well financially from what the devs have said. I think they said they can survive with as few as 3k concurrent players in a stream a few months ago

[brazen obsidian]

I added a suggestion to match gold-geared teams against each other, since they seem to be playing a different game entirely (passing up mob kills and player loot, just looking for PVP a lot of the time): https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533200/gold-geared-teams-should-be-matched-against-other-gold-teams

[hasty flare]

Hello Gentlemen and ladies, if you care about your money and you claim to actually like this game then listen up,,, New meta to get the dev's immediate attention, do not play the game, do not spam chat, just make this place a ghost town and chill for a few days, they will care when they have no player base

[peak reef]

🆓 🇹 🇭 🇪 🇲 🅰️ 🇵 ‼️

[unreal cloak]

Berserk crossover?

[fallow valley]

@keen onyx I second this, not only just things live on the marketplace, but anything you can expose. If you have buys "person1, person2, item, price" that would be sick too. I'd want to make a network graph out of that data for the funzies.

Having live data of things on the marketplace, or even purchases on the marketplace, would be amazing for the community to analyze the economy. Giving us access to data allows us to also do more analysis

[merry kestrel]

why tho

[fiery saddle]

They care, they just not managing things well. Also, Ironmace could you pls do something about invisible hasted wizards 1 or 2 hitting me with a flamming stick?

[upper hearth]

Did anyone notice that the longsword seems to be a quick time even for a couple weapons now? I find that a lot of the mobs are nigh impossible to reposte after blocking.

[upper hearth]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[unreal otter]

Boss kills should count towards the quest for all party members

[loud storm]

Suggestion: If you go to spectate in HR and there's only 1 team left, remove timer. So lets say there's 2 teams left and one team extracts before your minute ends, you can watch the last team until game end.

[brazen token]

Dear devs

As much as know you love giving cool things to everyone else and their mother, could you please, for the love of whatever god clerics are supposed to worship in this game, do something about the lack of ranged competitiveness. We have none. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. There's not a damn thing we can do against rangers with enough arrows to kill 20 of me, or rogues with half an inventory of throwing knives, or fighters pretending to be rangers, etc. You get the point.

Climbing in solos as a cleric is the closest thing to purgatory I can think of. Is there some reason clerics in this game are godforsaken? Even if there is, from a balance perspective, please, do something about this. Because it really is that bad. Praying for divine intervention mid-game that a friendly barbarian kick in the door behind them clearly isn't working.

Sincerely, a cleric that has been killed by far, far, far too many ranged weapons with no actual capability to fight back.

P.S. Yes, I'm sure the ranger was very skilled, shooting the slowest class in the game with no means to defend themselves. I'm sure he probably would have won anyway. It definitely has very little to do with the fact I can't even hope to fight back, nor even try to flee since I open doors slower than a barbarian now.

[storm blade]

so is wizard and fighter just op now lmao

[green beacon]

Marketplace filters are way too barebones. Needs more features.

Filter by multiple attributes/rarities/etc
Filter by value of the attribute (ie, only 3 magical healing, not 2 or 1)
Save filters (20-30 slots of saved filters per character)
Sale history - same as current marketplace but you can see which items/prices successfully sold

[swift wharf]

A way to filter enchants OUT from market search would be absolutely golden. i'm sick of my eyes glazing past 30 rings with +magic power bonus as a Fighter lol

[wheat mirage]

Add back the old map rotation. Free map is too low on lobbies. But just played for ~2 hours with a friend and didn't once catch a duo map in rotation

Also, duo ice caverns had lobbies of roughly ~5 people

[drowsy grotto]

The fact that I'm still forced to deal with full teams in fucking solos is insane, I just had to fight a: barb/ranger/ranger comp IN SOLOS. The fact that the devs can't release a good change to save their lives is really ruining this game and the blanket fixes are just sad. "If we remove portals it stops full teams!" -> creates smaller teams which then cause the SOLOS game mode to become some dark souls boss thing, such BS. Plus it's fully working with the rules, if you want to fix the change. Make it bannable, there's no way to stop a RANKED system from getting ruined if they don't reach their hand out and slap the people abusing said system.

[tacit hatch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/519557/increase-ranger-arrow-speed

[arctic lagoon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/532275/magic-resistance-should-affect-debuffs

curse of pain, should be heavily affected by magic resistance

[granite plinth]

Goblin caves is the most unpopular map. Why dont you do Goblin caves as second floor of ice caves like you did with crypta? And then give the people the free choice of map select? No more complaining and the community would be happy

[graceful frost]

That would be ass, first they are completely separate dungeons that don’t fit together, there is gonna be 2 other Frost themed layers to ice caves

And if you make me go through the dog map that is goblin caves just to play ice caves i will be mad

[vestal cloud]

yea but every single solo player is stuck playing the dog crap map its terrible

[elfin vale]

rename rogue to victim just get it over with

[hardy vector]

ban all teaming in every mode

[forest tundra]

put the timer on a 3 minute cooldown, delete general chat

[whole prawn]

pls reduce the gear stat bonuses. it has nothing to do with skill anymore. goldteams in every lobby are just whipping the whole lobby. even if you have purple near BIS gear and jump them with invis pots (if you get the chance). its just unplayable after reaching pathfinder, the fun just stops.

[zealous yew]

I wish they would have kept the individual solo, duo, trios tabs so much more enjoyable

[wheat mirage]

Just mentioning, my comment from over 2 hours ago is still visible in this chat without scrolling.
There's some apathy

[sacred wadi]

200 IQ

[civic zodiac]

Bring back solo to all maps. Solo is already hard enough and goblin cave is trash ... Us solo want to play too sadface

[finite cradle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/519557/increase-ranger-arrow-speed

[finite cradle]

agreed

[proper hornet]

Abusive voice chat should be reportable. I don't think they need to record chat for review, but if someone gets a lot of reports they should be muted. Sick of hearing slurs while I'm fighting and not even talking back.

[split kayak]

This games NEED MAP ROTATION IM PATHFINDER AND GOT MATCHED WITH SOME DEMIGOD

[granite plinth]

WHY ARE BARBARIANS AS FAST AS ROGUE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[granite plinth]

XD i am dead after that 1 bro. please rename rogue to victim

[granite plinth]

barbarians are unironically just as fast as a bard

[void panther]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/527851/allow-wizards-to-use-all-spells
Please check it out and give suggestions

[toxic scroll]

gib us bakkk our trio goblin caves reeeeee

[sinful ginkgo]

please bring back solo choices 🙏

[civic zodiac]

Solo life matter. Game is hard enough to be forced to play 1v2 or 1v3....

[rustic seal]

What is the max lobby size for Ice Cavern

[visual umbra]

I could be wrong, but I believe it's 69

[meager jasper]

Once again repeating that your map system is worthless and should be reverted to selection mode. You're imagining artificial problems with map population. Ruining choice on class dependent maps is not how you will get people to play them.

Revert to full map choice.

[visual umbra]

Amen brother. I stand with isis and also you

[indigo grail]

I think that instead of either this or the previous map system, all maps should be open to play but should have independent queues for solos duos and trios, it makes more sense then reverting back to another system that was also not desireable

[tired ruin]

i am currently having a huge issue where i am crashing repeatidly when moving items in my inventory or gold into my stash. its like random but its litterally like 3-4 crashes before i cant sort stuff buy pots and ready up. i have reported to bug report , i just wanna know if anyone else is having this issue or if im going crazy

[misty socket]

I know this may be seen as a hot take, but there's a significant number of people that would love to play this game, but are completely put off by the forced PVP gameplay that exists in the game. I personally have at least 3-4 friends who refuse to play because PVP is forced. I'm proposing that a separate mode be made for character creation that has a PVE only flag. This would create characters in a separate economy, where players can only play/trade with other PVE flagged players. This would allow PVE players to adventure in the same dungeon locations, but without the stress of PVP, and the opportunity to enjoy the visceral challenges of the game, and the fun it offers when fighting monsters and escaping dungeons together with friends.

[worn pagoda]

That's like making an easy mode for dark souls, it's meant to be a hardcore extraction looter. The game would get real boring real fast if it was just pve and they would just waste their money.

[misty socket]

A lot of the teamers would just go play that, at least that's what i believe. shit I'd pay for that feature and this isn't dark souls. This is an indie company coming out of a lawsuit. I think they'd make even more money doing this.

[worn pagoda]

They would have an initial burst of money that would fade fast. But you are correct this isn't dark souls. The second those new bight eyed players figure out how to cheese enemies or know how to dodge their moves... not like isn't necessarily hard, it becomes a slog and they would move onto something else instead of actually learning the game in a dangerous enviroment. PvP is the lifeblood of the game and a pve mode would not prosper. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it could work but leave it up to the community to decide and make a suggestion for people to up and down vote. 👍 I always want more people to join us in the dungeons so I hope it is mainly upvoted and has good praise but I don't see a fruitful outcome.

[granite plinth]

Grinding ap will make you realise how boring the pve gets lol

[worn pagoda]

?

Alright just chill, they saw a lot of links and jumped to conclusions most likely. Those are a lot of links admittedly.

And that's your choice, sorry you don't want to enjoy the dungeons anymore

You're just trying to egg them on now for moderating their discord. You got a warning, it isn't the end of the world. It's not that deep

Stop while you are ahead, you're just causing yourself problems man. I want the maps back to the way they were as much as the next guy but I'm not harassing anybody for it and disapprove of the actions people are taking... but this is your own little side mission here that you are getting mad over

I don't want anybody banned or removed, please

Well, have fun with that. Hope you can change your mind in the future and come back to us. Good luck

[sweet hull]

how do I delete suggestions on the official forums

[eternal dock]

Completion of quests rewards some AP instead of XP, rarely do I see someone completing quests that aren't already max level.

[night lily]

Hi guys, i played this game on steam test. Bought it now. Where is old dungeon map?

[worn pagoda]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533449/low-roller-high-roller

Just an idea, wanting to see how people would react to this to give some players a little more breathing room for themselves and their gear

[little anvil]

this is why the rotation systam is garbage, wait for solo ice caves, kill 2 people and the rest of the server is just one big team, after 1 or 2 kills you just gotta leave or be hunted by 10 people teaming

[silver grove]

GOBLIN CAVES PORTALS ARE STILL NOT SPAWNING! IF IM NOT DYING TO CHINESE TEAMERS IM DYING TO NO FKING PORTALS!! WHY IS THIS A THING!

I was the last person left in the damn game, waited in the final circle, no sound, no portals, nothing, I ran around franticly trying to find one withing the final circles area that may have spawned already and nothing. What the actual fuck..? I've had so much bad luck to server crashes ect and now this.. Like cmon man, mutliple games I've had to run to statics and often found them taken and die because there's zero time to run to the far ones. It's actually so bullshit to die to a zone when you're the ONLY PERSON LEFT IN THE LOBBY! Why is there not mutliple portal spawns at the final circle? Actually a joke

[little anvil]

didnt they remove gc portals because theres a boat load of statics now?

[silver grove]

All taken, figured I'd get a portal but nope nothing

[little anvil]

Seems like leaving a little earlier might have done you some good, or at least defending a portal somewhere

[civic zodiac]

ffs plz brg back solo queue dying to duo while being an average player playing solo is fo fucking lame idk how people can enjoy playing solo rn ...

[brazen token]

Yeah, its the cleric again. I see you're still not doing anything about the horrible state we have to suffer through on solos. Pretty quick to hand out goodies to wizards and warlocks and barbs though. Gee, its almost like there's some sort of bias here.

But that's fine, I'm sure you're busy with the marketplace we didn't really need, or probably figuring out some way to buff classes that are already strong on their own. Maybe give an even better bow to rangers? Give barbs the ability to throw even more frannies? Hell, lets give wizards a third weapon slot for the crossbow they never use since they already have spells and throwing knives for some reason? God knows you were quick to give them a better version of clerics smite as a passive. That's fine. Who needs an ability to participate in ranged combat? Certainly not the only class that's incapabile of doing so.

[civic zodiac]

i uninstalled the game like 6month ago cause i was sick of back and forth update ruining the experience... gave back a chance to the game when solo queue was a thing i had some of the best 2 day of gaming of my life untill... they make me remembered why i uninstalled and was so full of toxicity 6month ago.

i hope devs read the discord actively cuz seriously its sad to make a game that good and ruin it like that.

solo players mostly have complaints rn. goblin cave is not a great map its the worst for many and being forced to play in number disadvantage in a very punishing game is very very rough. not everyone can have friends around playing all the time . some have no friend at all playing and trusting randoms with while u risk valuable gear is a no go. if solo queue for ice cavern and ruins come back im pretty sure most of players will stop complaining.

[brazen token]

It's fine, they only rebalanced the entire map design for trios a few months ago only to force solos to play on it again. Perfectly reasonable. Much fun.

[civic zodiac]

i love playing trio when i have friends around. but if i cant play solo when they are not i wont play at all since there will be no progress. forcing solo to play trio just mean you disrespect ur community or just straight favorise steamers over every1 else and dont care around peoples enjoyment

[static turret]

yeah i play almost exclusively solo and i wont lie only being able to play goblin caves doesnt wanna make me play at all.

[civic zodiac]

i been banned from discord month ago cuz i was too salty and full of toxicity. i tried back the game when solo queue been a thing and get myself unbanned there cuz i seen hope and was really glad to see how the game state is now. i fkin regret it now

[static turret]

games actually fucking amazing and super fun. IF solo play in the good map would be allowed.

[civic zodiac]

yep. this game if managed and worked on perfectly could be the best game on the market.

i feel him. playing solo and being chased by a group is so insulting

[static turret]

ok ill try waiting for ruins rotation next time i open the game

[granite plinth]

-> Let the rafts in ice caves lead to goblin caves. Who wants to play Goblin caves or is forced to use them fast 😉 can go to goblin caves trough the rafts.
-> Remove Goblin caves as "own" map. Remove Map rotation.
-> So we just have 2 maps with ruins and ice caves where you can choose by yourself which map you wanna play and if you want to play solo duo or trio.
-> Im sure the community would be very happy with that

[leaden marlin]

Make AP based on party size not map

[primal arch]

Hello ! I wanted to ask about current season end date - seems like because of some rollbacks it's been shortened in the process - would there be a chance to extend it till the end of the next week ? (hopefully including weekend) ? I'm not sure how to get devs attention to this 😉

[silver grove]

Yes, but you shouldn't have to

They just decided to randomly force us to play goblin caves and spread the portal spawns out like fking crazy. It's stupid and literally unfun dying to a zone. Even if you play perfectly and finish a fight with 1 minute left the odds of getting out are so low it's actually so lame

[silver grove]

AP is based on party size... Solo Duo or Trio rank

[leaden marlin]

yeah but i'm playing solo in the trio map

[peak reef]

Allow to rotate items in our inventory/stash.

[drowsy grotto]

It's just sad

[torpid trout]

There is no fun in having a gold team in a lobby everyone either runs for their lives trying to get out or just gets run over by the either group that is gold or even just one player that is gold it is no longer fun no one likes it unless ur the team running through an entire lobby. Make it that if u have any gold gear on that u get put into a different lobby. Devs you need to do this or remove gold entirely from the game you have not balanced it out and you need to do something before MORE people quit playing.

[tulip venture]

The issue isn’t that they’re wearing gold it’s that theyre very good you don’t get to wearing gold kits every game unless you’re very good trust in that they would still roll lobbies in purple gear and if they were in norms they would do the same thing just slower because of no gear advantage —— this complain has been made time and time again between full lobster teams rolling lobbys or full blue rolling norms

[torpid trout]

WRONG u can go online buy gold and then go on market place and buy gold gear dont try and act like its my skill issue becuase its not. you are prolly one of those gold buying noobs who just think they are good.

[tulip venture]

Buying gold gear will just result in you losing it it’s not an instant win condition

[torpid trout]

lol u already went from " its a skill issue " to " well if you do that your just going to lose ur golden gear bcuz ur a noob" lol im done with u go back to ur basement kid

[tulip venture]

I don’t think what I said conflicts with itself

[merry kestrel]

Increase baseline Longsword riposte speed (buffs Warlocks too)

Remove Impact Resistance from Sword Mastery, move it to Shield Mastery. Make Shield Mastery work only with Shield blocking.

[tulip venture]

Also please chill with the name calling and vitriol it’s quite rude

[merry kestrel]

Make Crystal Sword a one handed main hand weapon so that it becomes useful.

[tulip venture]

How do you suggest to be able to cast spells with it after making it 1 handed

[merry kestrel]

You wouldn't. Remove spellcasting capability from Crystal Sword. No one should be casting spells w/ it anyway - slowest casting animation, AND the +magic weapon damage does NOT add to spells, so it's fairly useless outside of casting before combat even starts.

[tulip venture]

It is so slow to cast with its awful but maybe if they made the cast swing a sword swing at the same time it would help a little bit say a slash +invis

[torpid trout]

thank you for your expert opinion you seem to know so much about this game im suprised that no one has picked u up yet for giving your thoughts man it sure is nice having someone here always telling us players how we should actually expect the game play to be and know that were just not skilled enough and that your opinion is the only one that is worth a damn.

[merry kestrel]

That is a terrible idea. You'd need to time it exactly right for it to make sense, you'd need to make it cast AFTER you hit for invis to be worth it, meaning ignite would be worthless to use this way, AND you're already in melee.

[torpid trout]

wouldnt worry about it to hard Jake is just here to troll and tell people how wrong they are and that hes right.

[grand peak]

This starbjirn dudes a whiner.

But what if the crystal sword had a slightly faster cast speed, and had a simple "stab" animation instead of the twirling one?

[merry kestrel]

idk man he has a green name and is active in class channels, or at least is flagged for them. that tells me he's at least a tad more engaged than people who don't have any rolls 🤔

[merry kestrel]

Mostly I think CSword should be one handed to give Wizards and Warlocks more one handed melee options beyond rondel and falchion

But also so that I can play a proper Jedi on my fighter.

Right now as a casting implement, it is no longer worth bringing as a 2 handed casting implement or PvE clear weapon because of Staff Mastery

Making it a 1 handed weapon gives it a proper niche as a "slower, but stronger than rondel" or "magic scaling, unlike falchion" melee option with Cball.

[grand peak]

Oh yea, I agree with one handed, I just meant so it could still cast spells, kinda how a crystal ball can do it

[merry kestrel]

The way they have spellcasting set up, it wouldn't be possible without some VERY serious refactoring of code

[grand peak]

Ah, that's a bummer. I don't know much about coding.
I just really like the crystal sword lol

[tulip venture]

Yeah all the hotkeys for the 2 action per weapon system would have to be changed it would be sweet if the crystal sword was good it’s a cool item in theory

[grand peak]

It's settled, make crystal sword do all magic damage 😆

[merry kestrel]

and make it one handed

[grand peak]

Slayer fighter CS!!!! Need a perk to be able to swing both at the same time

[tulip venture]

I would love if in future content they made 1 handed items usable in both hands

[merry kestrel]

it would have to be like "weapons with -25 MS or higher" to make sense

They wouldnt even need that actually. Just "When wielding a one handed weapon and nothing in the offhand, gain X"

[tulip venture]

I think it could work and give especially rogue a little quality of life because I hate having to use right click for the only weapon I have equip but I would legitimately be an issue with double hand crossbows

[merry kestrel]

They wouldn't be able to do "any handed" weapons for the same reasons they can't do "main hand casting implements"

But I see what you mean, I thought you meant like "two handing" a falchion lol

[meager jasper]

combo master or whatever it's called, remove the pretty mediocre damage bonus on subsequent swings and instead it makes dual-weapons receive a new animation set that's a combined set of swings that are either faster or double swings at certain points.

That is a lot of work, though it's much cooler.

If c-sword was one-handed it would be pretty legitimate I think. Maybe even still a bit weak, but at least you could add the c-ball's damage to it. Or use a shield or a decent weapon damage offhand

[merry kestrel]

Just make it that the next attack within 2 seconds gains a +10% phys power bonus if it was made with a different weapon than the last one

[meager jasper]

That's a hard nerf on an already not that great perk.

[merry kestrel]

It does exactly what you're asking for without all the extra work required to re-animate every possible combination of weapons

[meager jasper]

It doesn't. If I was using two weapons I would be using two weapons simultaneously, not swing then stop then swing offhand. There's no combos without animating them. And the game has inbuilt combos that do this already.

[merry kestrel]

It also would apply to the only weapon combo that slayers even use with combo attack: arming-short lol

You know you can hold LMB and RMB at the same time and certain weapons have "sync'd" animations that overlap eachother during windup and recovery, right?

[meager jasper]

You do know that second and third swings already have a damage bonus, right?

[granite plinth]

the slayer perks are genius because they dont actually encourage using both weapons lol

[meager jasper]

In an ideal world I'd prefer if the effect of slayer actually went to two-handed weapons like longsword and spear, which the dual-wield perk that replaced it gave these animations.

[merry kestrel]

Slayer should be on Rangers full stop imo, esp now that Fighters have Sword Mastery.

[meager jasper]

Rangers already can't use armour though, so there's no trade off.

[merry kestrel]

Their trade off is using 2 weapons, which diminishes their speed advantage

[meager jasper]

Ehh. The idea of dual-wielding rangers is a pretty uniquely dnd thing because of drizzt imo. I don't actually think it matters all that much if they decide that style of fighting should be a fighter thing.

Does drizzt even have a following these days? I feel like most ranger-fans are thinking of aragorn and legolas first and foremost if anything.

[merry kestrel]

Aragorn duel wields. So does Legolas.

[meager jasper]

Aragorn uses a longsword. Legolas very rarely dual wields. In some cases he stabs people with arrows too.

[merry kestrel]

You've never read the books or watched the movies and it shows. 😦

[meager jasper]

My guy, I've got the extended editions and I've read the silmarillion. It's childhood since I read the lotr books though, but aragorn uses a longsword, pretty exclusively except for like one time he pulls out a knife, in the movies.

[merry kestrel]

the movies are canon 🙏

either way Rangers need a melee option that's not "lmao spear" so that we can appropriately rebalance ranged options.

[meager jasper]

A fair balance statement. I would rather the whole meta shifted away from such aggressively good ranged options and toward melee in general.

I also don't like that wizards/warlocks are encouraged to completely overcome the slowness of their casting rather than improve its power. The game would be actively much better if ranged options were much slower and more cumbersome, in general imo. But stronger at the high end.

[vestal cloud]

they def need to do something about the francisca axes on barb and fighter theres no way you can have the best melee classes also have crazy range especially barbs they can 2 shot you with frannies and it doesnt help they have savage roar which forces you to disengage and run leaving them with the option of chucking frannies at you its not balanced for solo and unless they nerf barb its nt gonna be fun for every other class this is essentially ruining solos im not the only person who thinks this it also doesnt help barbs hp can go up to like 300 its riciculous and this last patch they got a buff

there is no counter play unless you run and succesfuly dodge the 20 franciscas getting thrown

ironmace needs to play there own game in solos and fight these barbs so they understand just how ridiculous it is andon top of that they gave them a shiel this patch lol lets just buff them even more

[merry kestrel]

You dont even participate in class chats, im concerned about your opinions on balance

[coral heron]

Fighters need a nerf, warlocks need a nerf. How about we look at who is doing the best in solo ranked to decide nerfs XDXDXD

[merry kestrel]

What about Fighters and Warlocks need nerfs? Just saying "they need a nerf" isn't a real suggestion (I'm not disagreeing, but please try to be clear lol)

[meager jasper]

The issue with barbs is not franciscas, even slightly. They need more franciscas. It's the core of the class being overtuned, in my opinion. They are only minorly less armoured than a fighter these days and with vastly more hp. And the best damage output options of the heavily armoured classes. Platelock with boc gives barb more of a run for its money in terms of efficiency, but it's vastly slower than a fighter and has even worse ranged options because of its huge slowdown in casting. That should be about where barb should be without overhauling, but right now it's a jack-of-all trades.

[coral heron]

Glad you ask. Warlocks at this point health cycle too much (Yes I know the torture Master nerf) they still infantry cycle health off their hydras once they hit a mid level gear threshold. That combined with hydra being able to be insta cast with repition makes the over all op. Let me door block and heal, also I'll heal while I fight you, and I will outrun you with phantomize/ fire to start all over again.

Fighter should not have a crossbow without taking a perk. They allredy have Fran axes. Fighters are dominating the solo because wiz was killed. Sure you can out run them, most the time, but over all PDR is alredy making them unkillable, then add in all the sword and sheild buffs, most the time you just run from fighter. And they just gave em more magic resist in sheild stance.

And my over all logic for the nerf of both was saying if your bominating the solo leader board both in Ave points in your classes 100 bracket, ad well as taking all the top spots, and a majority of the top 100 spots more generaly, I think those 2 classes need nerfs

[meager jasper]

Disagree. Warlock's not meaningfully OP, but it's very (probably too) strong when very geared and very weak when ungeared.

Like all casters, its literally too fast and that makes the ranged meta a problem.

[torpid trout]

lol the goblin caves is garbage and unplayable

[meager jasper]

A reminder for ironmace that learning the timer is 30 minutes between matches on the map I want to run solo doesn't make the system better. Revert the bad map system rotation. Or I will actively stop playing after the reset of my quests.

[hollow lion]

Can we nerf the range of the wisp dispel? It feels like these things are wiping buffs from half way across the map

[slow umbra]

warlocks should be nerfed
bro the damage they deal
and how fast the casting is, and they keep spamming hydras to block entrances and start healing
so dumb
their base speed is also too high

[vestal cloud]

IRONMACE LOOK AT ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO HATE THE MAP ROTATION MOST OF YOUR PLAYERBASE ARE YOU GUYS THAT OUT OF TOUCH WITH YOUR GAME I THOUGHT THE DEVS WHERE SMARTER THAN THIS I GUESS NOT

I CANNOT PLAY THIS SHIT ASS MAP ANYMORE

[hot hemlock]

So then dont, wait 25m MAX for your map of choice then play it

[tulip venture]

Less if you actually played a run pretty much no time at all if it’s ruins

[hot hemlock]

Well you have to wait for it to come around the first time

[mellow frigate]

I was playing a few days ago and was able to choose whatever lobby I wanted, now when I try there's a timer? What happened

[merry kestrel]

#📢announcements

[graceful valve]

Make players rest by default if they get disconnected, I almost lost a teamate last night to storm due to DC and since their are active connection problems I feel this could help negate some of the issues with the ability to campire dc'd players

[vestal cloud]

yea idk if resting will help ive been dced at the start like 5 times the last couple of days it almost feels like the servers are worse

[zenith wave]

@dawn grotto You should really switch server hosts to a private-client host. I know of a GREAT one that is global that I use personally for my game servers and has active DDoS mitigation.

[hollow abyss]

Not enough portals in solo, sometimes even the last portal doesnt show up this is so stupid

Also absolutely LOVE to play the same map over and over and over and over again 👍

[devout hawk]

If people really think warlock is sooo op then go play it and tell me how you do. Warlocks get destroyed by crossbows and Fran axes

Also when a hydra blocks a door you do know you can jump over it yes practically making it terrible for that unless you are trash at the game

[nocturne forge]

if the class is only countered by 1 specific weapon, and 1 specific consumable... then yes... thats OP

[merry kestrel]

Clerics need flavor love:

• Inquisitor Training perk: Swords and XBow proficiency
• Spell Ward: Spell reflect on block

[modern mulch]

No

[storm blade]

Warlock with good gear is very op but thats about it high cost IMO

[hollow abyss]

Once again, No portals at the end. 0

[merry kestrel]

#report-a-bug

[vestal cloud]

its ridiculous dude died like 5 times yesterday cause of this

[formal wadi]

Yes

[devout hawk]

When every class has one of these weapons then it is not very op

[jovial tinsel]

So nerf rogue? obvious jokes xD

[rare brook]

they could make it so fran axes and throwing knives don't scale with additional damage and physical power bonus

bis barbarians getting an additional 12 damage on each fran is unnecessary

[meager jasper]

It's extremely necessary. You've literally never played a barb, obviously. or you would know that most ranged classes in situations where you're not faster than them, will simply run rings around you very easily without the franciscas. If they don't do any real damage, that's a problem.

[unreal sorrel]

Hot take. Classic mode should be any party size Ruins. Rotation should alternate solo/duo & trio between the two caves (i.e gob solo/duo while ice is trio. 20 min rotation)

[meager jasper]

Again, people who don't understand barb being frustrated about an extremely minor part of the class, and then posting about it like it's a big thing like franciscas are not literally the most cumbersome ranged weapons in the game...

Barb's just super strong in stats. That's it. It's too fast specifically in my opinion. Particularly with its skill on top of its speed.

People forget fighter can use franciscas too. It just doesn't because it's got a crossbow, and a weapon that reloads that slowly is better than frannies. And has no extreme cost in ammo.

[uncut sedge]

Anyone else thinking this?.. Goblin caves was amended and made larger. Solo lobbies are now in a large map where you see no one. In 10 minutes I found no portals or players, killed 3 players in the final 2 minutes and get jumped by a 4th.. goblins needs to decrease in size or the zone needs to come in more rapidly to promote early fights?

[meager jasper]

No, goblin caves should go back to being full selection, like every other map. And it needs that space for that.

[vivid fable]

Not sure how to go about handling it. But I feel like the current AP (ranked) system feels really bad with it being split into solo/duo/trio. Like my duo gets off but if I wanna continue to grind my rank I have to queue duo as a solo or find a random? Feels wonky to me. Especially with map rotations. I'm forced to play a duo map that I may not want to and I have to wait an extended period of time to get a better one

[forest hearth]

first time ive ever heard anyone say barb needs more franciscas lmao

[meager jasper]

It costs 24 gold to buy franciscas without a discount for gray ones last time I checked. You cannot retrieve them unless you miss. Of course barb should have more.

[forest hearth]

oh nooo 24 gold theyre basically bankrupting people to give barb his only ranged option :'(((

[meager jasper]

They should be retrievable and they should probably have a quiver like ranger should that specifically has a decent space for a decent chunk of them, like six or eight.

And they should be weaker as a class. That's my whole point.

[forest hearth]

definitely a unique take ill give you that

[meager jasper]

Well if you're saying anything else you're saying that unlike literally every other class a barb is expected to pay a massive premium just to be able to do basic skirmish-fighting that everyone else can do with at least one weapon. Not including losses from deaths.

And that feels bad, pointlessly. The problem with barb is that they are too strong once they've closed, they have good closing and they're decent skirmishers. The problem there isn't just that they can skirmish, and if you remove that they just become worthless.

[forest hearth]

lmao a massive premium, its only 24 gold, rangers lose gold/ap every match because they have to constantly fill out a 3x3 or 3x4 space in their inventory to use their classes main weapon, having to pay for axes that are retrievable if you miss isnt the end of the world on its own

[meager jasper]

Rangers don't need a massive amount of ammo unless they're going to hell. It's 15 gold or something like that for a stack of arrows. The two don't equate.

[forest hearth]

if youre skirmising as ranger supressing fire eats up a lot of ammo esp with survival bow

[meager jasper]

I play Ranger on and off, and I play barb on and off, the two are nothing alike in terms of cost if you actually want frannies.

[forest hearth]

i would never go into a match with less than 80 arrows if i had a survival bow

[meager jasper]

Rangers don't use survival bows, bud. Your opinion has been rejected, you literally don't know what you're talking about. They're a bard weapon.

[forest hearth]

sure rangers never go a two bow build or a arbalest build with survival bow backup, every ranger just goes in melee or uses their slow ass longbow up close!

[meager jasper]

I have literally never seen a ranger use one except for the first time they try one. But anyway thanks for engaging.

[forest hearth]

thats crazy man, you should check out srsly soapy

i respect your opinion i just dont agree

[meager jasper]

Sounds like you're talking about some extremely niche streamer you watch. The c-sword sees more use, and it's awful.

I've seen streamers use the c-sword completely legitimately. But it's still a bad weapon. It's strictly worse than a staff in nearly all cases, especially after this recent buff.

[forest hearth]

hahahaha dude check out the community announcements he collaborated with IM to have a community challenge silly

[meager jasper]

Oh the community challenges I completely ignore. Excellent. Extremely niche then.

[forest hearth]

fuck youre right it must be pretty niche if ZEN ignores it....

[meager jasper]

The point stands though, some super-skilled guy using a high gold chat-donated kit isn't the majority of the game. My flippancy aside.

[forest hearth]

ok

@vagrant briar get a load of this guy

[elfin vale]

can u 2 make out already this channel is for serious discussions about suggestions for the game.

anyways my suggestion is for u freaks to rename rogue to victim

[meager jasper]

u wan some smooch?

[forest hearth]

they should add a battle pass

[meager jasper]

I kind of like that ironmace is bullying rogue so badly. It's funny.

[meager jasper]

Unironically, the deep rock galactic battlepass, which is free, but uses the same mechanics, really is quite good. It's a good system when it's not paid. But that's definitely an after-full-release addition.

[vagrant briar]

Unironically you need to shut your yapper for ONCE! Damn!

[rigid horizon]

Thats not just an issue with build balance. Thats just a flaw with how the classes are built with a rock-paper-scissors mindset

[meager jasper]

Ah a rogue. For bullying.

[vagrant briar]

you are most certainly fat and smelly in real life. I can genuinely tell just from the way you type

[meager jasper]

Excuse me, I'm skinny and smelly.

[vagrant briar]

good at least i am half right. now shut your yapper boy before i make you eat your vegetables

[uncut sedge]

I don't disagree, If I had it my way ruins would go back to duos / solos too but, right now that isn't an option for whatever reason and the result is the only choice for solo players being a map that was redesigned for trios lol

[granite plinth]

is that ur cat?

[meager jasper]

I think that without ruins solo rangers and rogues and wizards are being done a serious disservice, but other classes don't really recognize that.

It's pretty strictly the map they want to be on. Warlock-casters too.

Maybe with some contention now that the mountains exist, and wizards are suddenly melee combatants. But the general idea is that GC is not a good map for those classes solo. Lots of tight spaces.

[uncut sedge]

yeah, cant lie i'm tired of coming up against ranger/wiz/warlocks comps all day though lol

[meager jasper]

I think that issue is made worse by no solo for the map too - If I was a wizard pre-staff-bonk I wouldn't go in GC at all. It's too risky. So what do you do? You either play on the ruins solo or you get a team and play on it with a team. Or you get a duo comp that works on mountains with a good wall of muscle in front of you.

All the wizards who would have solo'd now do not.

[uncut sedge]

tell that to the 2 wiz i fought in goblins earlier 😛

[meager jasper]

lol. Wizard is a bad example now. Ranger, then,

Wizard is suddenly smacking with a permanent smite.

[vagrant briar]

this is literally dumb and dumber conversing rn

[meager jasper]

k

[coral heron]

I think we need map of choice, solos is such **** in gobo rn and the rotation is not enough access for solos to different maps at it also includes triples which only want ruins, and duos, who also want ruins. IC is a good secondary solo, i think if no map of chocie, maybe map options; they should both (IC and GC) be solo, with a duos IC and duos Ruins, and triples just on Ruins.

[rigid horizon]

Just got out meleed by one as a friggin kitted fighter. Shit getting comical

[vagrant briar]

that was me bro, too ez

[coral heron]

Wiz is smacking so hard they are meleing barbs...

[rigid horizon]

Yeah... Imma just keep my shit in my stash until the next hotfix, holy crap

[meager jasper]

I like this meta. Fear the melee wizard.

[nocturne forge]

cleric cant use neither

[sly meteor]

I hate this meta,PDR fighters are literally plaguing every single lobby.And warlocks are pretty much debug mode now,you just /damage off and loot away

[sly meteor]

I main warlock,played it for a week,havent died a single time,like,at all,not to mobs,not to players,not to zone,nothing.If I get close I just run to zone,hydra leech,run for a static,ggs.Too ez

[meager jasper]

Warlock's too strong. Tbh I think warlock is more of a problem than barb is right now. Specifically casters with infinite drain on hydras and huge speed. The area denial is insane

[sly meteor]

Barb has been nerfed to the ground imo,he looses to every class in melee,even if he is meant to be THE melee class,weird

[meager jasper]

Nah man. I've had plenty of success with barb with shield nowadays. Become the pdr barb you were born to be. It's great.

[devout hawk]

I think it’s funny people had no problem with life drain hydra when it first came out it was actually a joke but now that it is the only way to play caster warlock without spending thousands of gold now it’s a problem. Warlock needs survivability as you use health to cast if you take away hydra life drain warlocks become just as useless as they were when they were first released just with worse magical healing now.

[meager jasper]

The main problem that this game suffers from is not any individual tool. It's speed. In every case. Speed makes ranged abilities op and dictates how fast you can skirmish etc. If warlock just wasn't fast enough to run away so reliably it wouldn't be as much of an issue.

[devout hawk]

But how do you balance speed if you make warlocks or any caster for that matter too slow they become useless

No caster outputs enough damage in order to make up for a lack of speed so that forces them to do hit and run attacks or just get out dps by every other class

Oh ya forgot about wizards right now.

[meager jasper]

||tbh I kind of think that speed modifiers are inherently broken and should be removed. The scaling on a wizard should be damage based. Same for warlock, but instead they insist on making the glass cannons the fastest thing in the game||

[devout hawk]

So the idea that I’m drawing from this is to slow down casters but give them better scaling in order to make sure they don’t just get rushed down and have no counter play?

Because warlocks as it stands have no spell that is able to make a class decide against rushing them head on on except if you stack damage on ray of darkness

[civic zodiac]

More love for solo players. Add solo queue to all map or change solo map for ice cavern or ruins goblin cave is the worst map no one like it

Everytime i looked at rotation it was always duo or trio map. And i stoped watching it since i hate beinf forced to wait to play. I just wanna play the fucking game and right now i cant.

This is horrible. I hate it from all me being. I downloaded the game cuz solo queue was there. Now i cant play a fair game without waiting an hour and peoples find it normal?

Especially when i work 14hour a day and only have an hour and half of free time. Who the hell would waste all their time waiting???

Goblin cave floor layout and goblin bleeding is horrible i hate playing it. I love ruins but no way ima accept playing vs trio

[ivory raft]

bard solos is rough any tips?

[civic zodiac]

Whats wrong with having a bit of consideration for solo players? I understand highrollers should priorise rotation or trio for balance purpose but the normal gamemode why? Who care if lobby aint full

But that drive everyone away from the game so it endup even more empty...

[vestal cloud]

ironmace you have pushed me too the point of not wanting to play my favorite game congrats between the lag and you buffing classes that should get nerfed (barbarian) and not being able to play the map i want to play i dont know what to do anymore ive been killed 5 times today by only barbs they have the dmg health and movement speed to outun anyclass in solo they also have range with throwing axxes that can 2 shot you too you literally cant win you really should listen to your player base it seems you just want barbarian to be op you nerf every other class why buff the most op one i will never understand the logic behind this at all i get 2 shot by a barb while i have 170 hp and i hit him about 7 times this is ridiculous solos is literally unplayable idk about everyone else but im sick of dying to barbs i would say 99% of my deaths is tpo barbarians. its also ridiculous that in order for me to rank up i need to cower in a corner and hide from everyone in order to get ap that isnt fun at all. nerf savage roar atleast god damn

[void knoll]

ironmace you have pushed me too the point of not wanting to play my favorite game congrats between the lag and you buffing classes that should get nerfed (barbarian) and not being able to play the map i want to play i dont know what to do anymore ive been killed 5 times today by only barbs they have the dmg health and movement speed to outun anyclass in solo they also have range with throwing axxes that can 2 shot you too you literally cant win you really should listen to your player base it seems you just want barbarian to be op you nerf every other class why buff the most op one i will never understand the logic behind this at all i get 2 shot by a barb while i have 170 hp and i hit him about 7 times this is ridiculous solos is literally unplayable idk about everyone else but im sick of dying to barbs i would say 99% of my deaths is tpo barbarians. its also ridiculous that in order for me to rank up i need to cower in a corner and hide from everyone in order to get ap that isnt fun at all. nerf savage roar atleast god damn

[winter nova]

why is evil eye not working?

[still dagger]

I wish they made fire ball a huge Area of Effect spell that dealt massive damage!

Also evil eye hasn't worked for some time. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[thorny grove]

remove rogue from the game

[sly meteor]

Nerf bonk stick wizard,its literally warlock but stronger.

[midnight nebula]

why am i getting 1 shot by a wizard

[sly meteor]

Staf mastery ignite combo,uber broken atm

[swift wharf]

Add a gambling NPC in-raid who you can play some game with while in a run

[jovial swan]

{Class Changes}
{Fighter}
-Slayer weapon damage bonus reduced from 5 to 3
-Sword Mastery no longer increases impact resistance when blocking with a sword
-Adrenaline Rush no longer causes its downsides
-Shield Slam now has 25% faster action speed
-Sprint now inherits Adrenaline Rush's downsides

{Barbarian}
-Berserker now applies 2% additional physical damage every 10% max damage lost, up to 20%
-Potion Chugger duration reduction now changed from -50% to -35%
-Savage Roar damage reduction bonus reduced from -50% to -35%
-War Cry HP boost reduced from 25% to 15%
-War Cry now grants a 10% action speed boost to you and all allies
-War Sacrifice now has infinite duration, but eats at 1.5% of your max HP per second
-War Sacrifice starts with +5 all attributes and can gain +5 additional all attributes bonus by killing enemies while it is active
-War Sacrifice cooldown reduced to 2s

{Rogue}
-Ambush now applies +25% action speed bonus to all attacks within its duration
-Ambush no longer grants a physical damage bonus to the first attack
-Tumbling is changed into "Dash", which causes Rogue to quickly jump a set distance in the direction the player is holding.

{Ranger}
-Agility reduced from 20 to 15
-Dexterity increased from 18 to 23
-Spears can now be equipped without Spear Proficiency
-Crossbow Mastery damage bonus increased from 5% to 10%
-Nimble Hands now also increases the equip speed of Crossbows by 20%
-Sharpshooter damage bonus reduced from 15% to 10%
-Spear Proficiency damage bonus reduced from 10 to 5
-Quickshot damage is now reduced to 50% for every shot besides the final shot, which deals 100% damage

{Wizard}
-Staff Mastery now grants 20% faster cast speed for magical staff weapons and 10 magic weapon damage for non-magical staff weapons.

{Warlock}
-Torture Mastery now increases damage dealt by curses by 10% on top of its magic healing potential
-Life Drain now siphons 50% less health when used on allies or summons

[crimson sphinx]

It would be so great if I would be killed by Aussies on the Oceanic server, not Chinese (often teaming) players 95% of the time. If I die, let me be killed by players who belong to the same region, not by region hoppers. (How do I know they are Chinese? Names. And they also talk Chinese over open microphone.)

[stray lantern]

please put a link balance, from pathfinder playing against demigod, it is not balanced!

[main turret]

I agree. Fighting players smurfing on their alts with full gold BIS and using it for content has been killing the game for weeks now.

They want people playing this game and then gatekeep the ladder and lobbies as if its just for them. Pretty shit way to have a healthy community of players

[swift wharf]

add fishing to the ice cavern boat rooms :D

[merry kestrel]

i was with you until the ranger changes. what drove you to increase their will, when they have no magic damage, and reduce their agility and remove the recurve, when all but 3 of their perks are ranged oriented?

[jovial swan]

The idea with increasing their Will is to give them just that little bit better Magical Interaction speed, as well as better synergy with Wizard and Cleric. Higher Will also means higher buff duration for their Skills affected by it, making them just slightly more appealing to use.

Reducing their agility makes it so that Rangers play in a manner befitting of a zoner character in just about any game. A zoner who can also be very quick makes for too good a character in most cases.

The change from Recurve to Survival Bow is to give an incentive to "progress" from your starting bow and to make it so that Ranger's starting weapon isn't too strikingly powerful to begin with. Even so, the weapon's high attack speed should prove to compensate SLIGHTLY for that change. Survival Bow's initial 10 shots also allows Ranger to have an equal 50 shots rather than the current 48.

[somber wind]

I agreed with pretty much everything on here except the Warlock Changes (all of them) and the the Sword Mastery Impact change.

(Side note, this isn't me being biased towards Warlock or Fighter; I'm a bard lol)

[jovial swan]

You at least get the idea of what I want to do for Warlock, right? Their self-healing and magic damage capabilities combined are out of control currently and they need something done about them.

What would you do instead of just this?

[somber wind]

Oh yeah I do get it, but right now their Torture Mastery healing is insanely outclassed by Life Drain and not even worth considering since the nerf

I think nerfing but not outright removing Life Drain healing on Summons would be better; Something like adding onto Life Drain's effect "-50% Healing from Allies".

It makes post-nerf Torture Mastery healing more attractive even if it's hit damn hard right now and puts Life Drain into check.

For flame walker, do you really think it's a problem right now? I don't think so; it's just good for spacing and PVM.

[jovial swan]

Flame Walker is definitely an additional problem due in part to the ability to synergize with Phantomize. When used properly, a Warlock can't really be hit by any class aside from Wizard or Cleric, and they can deal a buttload of damage to you. Plus, Flame Walker always felt like it should be an ability.

[somber wind]

It can be but it's not as good in practice as it is in theory, most classes outspeed Warlock so maintaining fire placement under those players is not realistic and more so just a "get away from me or I'll deal 1 tick of damage to you because I cant catch up to you". The classes they CAN catch up to can deal with them (Wizard and Cleric).

[graceful frost]

Not the worst takes I have seen from you. I like most of them however the ranger and warlock changes are a bit strange.

also I don't like the idea of staff mastery giving action speed, would rather it give cast speed or something else so its not just a bonk staff.

[jovial swan]

Staff Mastery's change is only because of Quarterstaff's existence. However, I think I can come up with something that works.

[graceful frost]

oh does staff mastery affect quarterstaff. ig it does, never though of that

[jovial swan]

Anyway, I've redone the Ranger and Warlock changes to be a little more sensible. Something something to encourage more variety in gameplay for Ranger, and Warlock just isn't a self-heal slave anymore.

[limber fiber]

ADD A FINAL PORTAL TO THE NEW GOBLIN MAP FFS PLEASE

[lilac garden]

Give an Ice wall ability/spell to wizard

[woeful hawk]

i mean just walk in bait him then hit him

aint that hard

[civic zodiac]

Rofl well done captain obvious

[meager jasper]

Me and my duo buddy are now feeling burned out on playing the same map again and again because of ironmace's insistence in not allowing us to play other maps.

Once again for the record, map rotation was better. Selection was even better. This is awful.

It's not. In the old system, you had a map for 30 minutes, and you either played it or did not. In this system, you have a map for five minutes, and must wait 30 minutes to see it again. That's a less amount of time, but if you want to play a map that isn't your core map you have 20 minutes per hour in very missable 5 minute windows each to see them. That's vastly more annoying and more unhealthy for my enjoyment than actually playing a map that's unfavourable for 30 minutes.

Sitting and waiting should not be part of the gameplay loop of the game. It's the reason the market was created.

I really don't think that would help anything. I'm playing this game because I can duo, and will almost certainly never trio. I don't think there's that much overlap between duo and trio pools compared to duo solo and solo trio.

That would 100% make me drop the game, if there's no chance of playing it as a team game anymore for me.

Possibly. Selection for solos would be good, I think. I actually liked proper rotation while it was around, though I found selection strictly better to play. I kinda think they should just accept the high end lobbies are gonna be quieter and extend their lobby-filling timers or something. They actively reduced them and that can't help.

At no point during selection-based games did I feel like lobbies were scarce but I imagine the problem is worse for trios than it is for duos. If the timers were extended, and if they're worried about people taking a look at your gear in lobby and trying to kill you they should turn off looking at gear in the lobby completely, leaving only guesses based on the skins of your gear, but continuing to allow looking at gear in observation mode after death, so you get feedback on whether you were outmatched or outplayed. I don't think it's super great that we have any pre-knowledge of who we're being matched with.

I'd legit prefer the maps were fully random with every queue with only team-size selection than the current system though, decidedly. That system is perfectly serviceable in other middle-player-count games like Marauders for instance. The waiting overall is just bad, even if it's not as bad as people initially said. And the thing is if they're ever going to add more maps this problem is only going to get worse and they're going to have to do that eventually if there's a fourth. It probably won't matter if it goes on steam if they're going to split the number into another fourth, then a third each of that fourth.

[civic zodiac]

instead of having solo GC duo IC and trio ruins WITH a rotation why they dont put all 3 in a team size rotation . ex solo become duo after 5 min and then trio after another 5 minute. so theres always a map for solo duo and trio avail but wich one it is will be on rotation. would feel wayyyy better imo

[next tangle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533479/another-rotation-update thoughts on this?

[merry kestrel]

Remove Slayer from Fighter, give it to either Ranger or Rogue. Slayer is too strong when coupled with Dual Wield and Sword Mastery, and takes away from the core identity of the Fighter by overspecializing it.

[strong grotto]

I don't know what about you, good people, but I am kind of sick of the current map system. Especially when I am solo. I am either to be CURSED with goblin caves solo and have to get through a tons of mobs in the rooms, where you don't even have the place to fart, because of how much there is literal garbage and obstacles all around you with no place to maneuver, or to go and risk my solo ass be ripped apart by triple barbarians in the ruins or double rogues sitting and waiting for someone near the exits in the Ice Caves. You know what? Even rotation map was better. At least then I could've always option to NOT go in that goblin filled nightmare of a dump.

[civic zodiac]

solo players need more love

[meager jasper]

Skill has very little bearing on the game right now tbh. It's a gear and class check system in most situations. You either have the tools to deal with the situation or you don't, and the only time you die because of skill is if you're truly equal or make some serious mistake. Especially since they made all the items give such huge stat bonuses.

I don't hate that, btw. I actually think that the acquiring of gear is, and should be, the main focus of the game. Just an observation.

[strong grotto]

Not entirely true. The skill of the player still has a major impact, it is just the fact that gear is MULTIPLIER of that impact. And, unlike you, I am against it. I was and am on the side of not allowing the gear gap into the game, that revolves about PvP being the main thing. There should never be a moment in a competitive game, that one player starts with his baseline stats doubled, while other is not only has his base stats, but is also wearing crap of a weapon and armor. Those are either need to be in their own league or to never be facing each other. Not only that, but un-geared character is also penalized for, basically, playing the game. For if he can't find a way to overcome those, who are geared - he goes back with NOTHING. Well, aside of "thank you for being a punching bag note". While those who are already geared are, most of the time, already have the means to have either the same or similar set to be provided.

There is no real solution to this, BTW, aside of either creating a different leagues of players or to change the concept of the game. For example to turn it more into battler royal, where ALL are starting the same and it is up to their lack and skill to find new gear. As for progression it can be new skills or a new starting set of weapons and armor. But then, it is not so much of Dark and Darker anymore and more like some Naraka: Bladepoint.

[meager jasper]

Hard disagree, the only point of Dark and Darker is the acquiring of loot and gear, and systems without strong gear differentiation are boring in games like this. I can cite examples: Greed is Good has a very flat gear distribution and it doesn't feel good to get gear because it gives you a tiny fraction of a power increase. Marauders has more differentiation but not much. It also doesn't feel like gear has much of an impact unless you're in the best of the best armour and it's easy to acquire in most cases, and weapons are extremely killy regardless of what you do.

In short, if you have a problem with the game not being a serious competitive game, I think you're playing the wrong game. This is a game in which you bet your gear against other gear sets, with skill only playing that relatively minor role you mention, except perhaps in those situations where you're at the extreme top or bottom of the skill curve.

What I will say though is that I think gold gear is too much. +all is a massive jump in power.

[strong grotto]

Skill will always have a way to either level the gear advantage or to, at least, have the chance against someone fully kitted out. And, again, it is my side of the isle, and you don't have to agree to that. I, personally, HATE the fact gear is SUCH a big of a multiplier in this game. And I absolutely despise, that you only get those AP scores if you extract. This is plain disrespectful of my time spent in the game. Like I get it, to winner goes the spoils, sure. And if I was a meta slave or, at least, slightly better player in general, I would be able to get that score much higher, than what I am now. At the same time, I have played the game. I have dedicated my time to play ranked, I've provided you the means to fill the lobby for those no-life sweaters, who aren't playing the game only when they sleep or squat in the toilet (and I put a huge doubt on the second "activity") is my contribution to the game really worth ZERO to you, IMace? You are that disrespectful to your auditory? I am not only fighting uphill, penalized for loss with all the scraps of gear I had, but also my time is deemed worthless too? F. U.

In fact, it absolutely kills the desire to play the game for me now. Maps are crap, even rotation system was better, matchmaking is broken AF, there is too big of a gap all the time, and the ranked system is plainly disrespectful to my time in the game, while normal dungeons are needed only for new players to have their characters leveled. After that - they all go for HR, for that is where all the loot and the gains are, where they are crushed with gear gap, skill gap and have rarely if ever get any progress, for all the rewards are reserved for winners only. So why should anyone play the game, that is constantly punches you down and doesn't reward you if you aren't top % of a player base?

[silk acorn]

Dear Iron Mace,

Regarding the marketplace, please make:

1. Random attribute a multi select field.
2. An additional filter column for numerical values of random attribute.

Thank you. 😊

[meager jasper]

You are doing something very wrong on a meta level if you are not making gains in HR. Not in an in-game level. Like wasting your gold in some way, or not building correctly or playing an actively bad-at-pvp-class. Like, are you a rogue, and trying to face-tank fighters or something? Because one extract on HR will get you a good few hundred, which will get you a decent weapon and make you viable.

But seriously my guy you come across as extremely whiny about how the game is. This doesn't sound like it's a game you want to play at all, and you want the fundamentals changed, not tweaked.

You're allowed to not like this game and move on, you know?

My only problem with the game right now is map rotations being inferior to how they were, and I strongly suspect they will fix that shortly, unless they want to hemhorrage players when everyone realizes they can't do their quests anymore after the reset.

Other than that my gripes are fairly minor. I'd prefer a less ranged meta, I'd prefer certain perks were more balanced, but otherwise the game has, and always has, felt good.

Or I'd already be gone.

I agree. the ice caves are extremely favourable for pve

[strong grotto]

I am bard. Good luck fighting fighters and barbarians as one. Now even warlocks are smashing through with all that armor. As for gold - how can I waste it, if I am not even able to consistently extract? It is not like I have full stash of coin purses waiting to be turned into new gear, lol.

"you come across as extremely whiny about how the game is" - There is big difference between being whiny and complaining about un-fair treatments classes get. If you make a PvP focused game - you should balance them out and not allow for 3 classes to come on top every patch. As for this "This doesn't sound like it's a game you want to play at all..." - If I didn't wanted that then why would I buy it? In fact, I am doing exactly what EVERY early access player SHOULD DO - voicing my opinion in hope to make a change in the game I like, so it would be better on release. If my opinion is bad or good will be decided by those on top of the development.

"You're allowed to not like this game and move on, you know?" - Just like you are allowed to shut it on this kind of topic. It is for ME to decide what games I am to play or not. I LIKE the game. I am dissatisfied with the rewards I am getting for participating in HR, blatant unbalance between classes in solo and with how big of the impact the gear gap enables. Those aren't unsolvable issues and aren't the core systems of the game. If those are to be changed - everyone will be more happy.

"I'd prefer certain perks were more balanced, but otherwise the game has, and always has, felt good.
Or I'd already be gone." - Wow. So YOU are allowed to "whine" about something, but others not? I TOO have some "preferred topics" to be changed or at least improved. That is why I am here, in the suggestions corner.

[tulip venture]

I play bard and I think it feels good the only part I dislike is the limited belt slots- just hit demigod bard

[strong grotto]

Good for you, congratulations. I am not as good as you, as the majority of people are too. So? Is everyone should be measured by you, the top % of the performance or by those, who aren't able to live in the game?

[tulip venture]

Probably by some metric in between and balancing the classes on low and high ends with starting stats and scaling

[strong grotto]

At least you are mindful enough to not just say "yes".
That aside, any advice on how to have more extractions? Do you play solo? In team?

[meager jasper]

Well I had a big old response but fuck this stupid automod, there's exactly no weird keywords in here.

tldr it's a skill issue fam, and the game isn't for u if you don't get better

Bard's not even that bad in pvp. I've been absolutely chadded on by survival bow bards.

It's a high skill high reward class, a bit like wizard. It punishes mistakes.

Play barbarian or fighter. The class isn't the problem.

You'll learn the fundamentals better with a more lenient class.

[tulip venture]

For AP grinding I would abandon the goblin caves and go to duo ice caves it should be relatively easy to extract if you stay away from the gold pile in the middle and the pyramid and elevator rooms running high move speed can let you choose when to fight and you don’t necessarily need a teammate in duos you just have to end one of them while their caught off guard and then it’s a 1v1 running languor is important because if their slow you’re that much faster also when backing away use the A and D keys because you move faster than the S key

A lot of PvP is the result of who got the better first hit off so if you can leave after a fight starts bad you’re that much more likely to live

[strong grotto]

TLDR - it is for me to decide what games are or not for me. Besides, I have never said anything of being top skill player, on the contrary - always said I am not as good at the game as I want to. The thing I was complaining about is that with such a big gear gap and crappy balance between classes I am only slowed in my progression, because I am fighting uphill.
"Bard's not even that bad in pvp. I've been absolutely chadded on by survival bow bards." - Also you "I'd prefer a less ranged meta". Huh... Isn't this also be classified as "skill issue bruh, lol" moment? Or it is only a skill issue when I lose? In fact, I would go as far as to say that, if you are "chadded" in PvP by BARD of all classes - you are better to follow your own advice and uninstall.
"It's a high skill high reward class, a bit like wizard. It punishes mistakes." - you mean like ALL classes will punish you for mistakes? The big difference is with some you are absolutely required to play perfect or lose, while others, like fighters, are able to take the abuse like nothing happens, while outrange you, outrun you and outdamage you.
"Play barbarian or fighter. The class isn't the problem." - except it is. Because when I play barbarian my success rate skyrockets. The class is absolutely broken.

As a conclusion - your opinion failed to being any insight and boiled down to "skill issue". The favorite "argumentation" of those who aren't able to put more than two words together.

[strong grotto]

Thank you for advice. At least one thing was new for me in it. I will apply it later.

[meager jasper]

tldr - [text wall]

My guy you're so salty.

None of what you said there was even anything to do with my argument, you're just trying to nitpick.

[strong grotto]

tldr - you are the same. At least my side of the isle is not so hypocritic and aren't throwing monkey level insults of "skill issue" or "salty". I only give my observations and my suggestions. If you aren't able to provide any level of respectable dialogue - we are done.

[meager jasper]

I got better things to do than talk to someone so lacking basic self awareness. cya.

[strong grotto]

Just as I've said - a hypocrite till the end.

[meager jasper]

If not here it'll just be in general. It tends to be there anyway.

[tulip venture]

If you added an artifact to the game what would it be and do?

[meager jasper]

On that point, we should have more non-artifact magical weapons. Basic unnamed swords that are on fire, that kinda shit.

Also, crystal swords are terrible but would be perfectly viable if they were one-handed weapons that weren't casting-items. Nobody uses them for casting anyway, so why not?

[tough moth]

has the map pool been discussed? i don't want to play snowy mountains

[meager jasper]

Pretty much non-stop since it happened. Just to confirm, nobody actually seems to like it. It's the worst of all worlds.

You like it more than both rotation and selection?

Because I'm already seriously burned out by it. Too many duo ice maps in a row with not really any choice.

That's an enormous amount of downtime if you're trying to focus on the game. I can't tolerate that. And if you're solo, you shouldn't even need to wait, the solo queues should be fine

[tough moth]

exactly

[patent mauve]

Explosion bottles should deal damage on contact, and also break doors.

Well only 3/8 classes can rn

Any other class*, you need mobs to break them for you

[median frost]

tiananmen square

[sweet hull]

as a long time cleric solo player "HolyDiverDio" I had some suggestions to make the class feel ok in a solo setting. either that or I wait for paladins release.. hopefully they give cleric some love tho. here they are. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533119/love-for-cleric-from-a-solo-player-perksspells-etc

and this is all of my suggestions, look into them if you like I guess https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533130/mana-added-to-game-for-spell-casters-instead-of-sitting-and-knowledge-buffwizard https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533116/bounty-systembounty-merchant https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533117/3-floor-map-progression-and-remove-zone-and-pay-coins-to-enter https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533119/love-for-cleric-from-a-solo-player-perksspells-etc https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533122/skin-suggestions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533125/current-race-reworksuggestions-for-future-ones-part-1 https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533126/current-race-reworksuggestions-for-future-ones-part-2 https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533129/more-resources-in-the-dungeonsgame-ideas-resourceful-skill-rework https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533251/solo-duo-trio-map-fix

[grim venture]

Refunding Wizard spells if it kills an enemy to make clearing feel better as wizard

[tulip venture]

I could see that being a good perk called mana siphon or something

[static turret]

rogue could see a slight health boost 🤠

remove every other map than ruins, majority wants to play ruins and pvp is shit in other maps. Make gc and ice mountain reoccure every now and then. Games not fun playing only gc as solo when all i wanna do is pvp on ruins/crypts.

[patent mauve]

mana manipulation, after killing a player restores 30 spell points per second for 3 seconds, scaling with spell recovery stat.

[normal quarry]

Give bard a banjo. He's been without a banjo for too long

[sweet hull]

bagpipe bard and kilt, id play it finally

[grim venture]

This sounds pretty neat, and maybe a weaker manipulation for mob kills, since clearing is what wizards mostly complain about

[patent mauve]

Yeah I can see that, but make it kills with spell or a specific elemental spell kill so they can't farm spiders with crystal swords

[fast brook]

I'm having this bug

[bright stump]

Please Remove Leaver Pentalty from solo lobbies its not like Im leaving a teammate 🤣

[drowsy grotto]

Kiss me on my hot mouth, I'm feelin' romantical.

What's wrong with you, stay away from me.

[static turret]

suggestion: add meowknight to the game with a skill called meow where your character meows and ccs oponent for a second

ironmace take note here

[lethal drift]

Bruh you want a biblical accurate angel? Aren’t those things extremely huge?

[swift creek]

Can we add an incognito mode so people don’t see us going in and out of dungeons

[velvet saddle]

I think a good change would be for th maps to rotate seasonally with all of them having down portals/bosses. quests would only be for w/e map is that season obv.

[haughty harbor]

All jokes aside beastmen/beastwomen as a playable race. Take the inspiration from Mushuko tensei. It would def be the best selling skin in game. +1 Dex -1 knowledge

[weak zenith]

I still want a rat skin lol

[static turret]

no beastmen, make it cute catboys and catgirls and then its good

[velvet saddle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533804/seasonal-map-rotation i made a suggestion for seasonal map rotation if anyone is interested =)

[patent mauve]

There is already

[median shale]

when are they gonna do the hotfix for the bug that makes the wizard absolute dog unless you are a fat fuckin nerd (invis image nerf , arcane mastery nerf, will nerf, magical damage nerf, haste nerf, magic missle nerf from 9-12 damage {no one talks about how important this is} constant buffs to other classes and wizard just nerfed into absolute dog) game has been hot dog for like 2 and a half monthas

[swift creek]

dm me how

[patent mauve]

K

[onyx timber]

Nerf Shaman

[lucid cave]

@dawn grotto in the middle of goblin caves map you can get stuck easily on the elevators if you're too close to the wood foundations at the top of them, would be a good fix if u wouldn't get stuck there because it sucks when u do

[patent mauve]

Use staff mastery, and enjoy.

[elfin vale]

this might be my first doompost in over a year of being in here and playing DaD, but its just true, the game isnt the same since the gold gear/craftable gear updates. i officially miss +3 all att greens that literally anyone could find in even normals. now its just the top% of players who get the crazy shit, kinda boring 🤷

[silk acorn]

Dear Iron Mace,

Regarding the marketplace, please make:

1. Random attribute a multi select field.
2. An additional filter column for numerical values of random attributes.

Thank you. 😊

[pallid vector]

i mean you can make 1.5k per inferno run and get a gold item for that much

[small furnace]

If Gold items are 1.5k rn that's only because wipe is incoming. For most of the wipe they've been worth a key, which was worth about 8k for most of the wipe.

[pallid vector]

meh they been around that for about a month, the market is saturated with them, they were only expensive at start of wipe

[small furnace]

You're cappin bro, gold items were still worth a key just over 2 weeks ago.

[pallid vector]

yeah thats like 2k

[small furnace]

Right but you do realize, yeah? Even if it has been a month, the wipe was over 90 days long. The majority of the wipe they have been worth upwards of 8k gold.

Can't be expecting people to do everything in the last 30 days of the wipe man.

[pallid vector]

i mean 8k isnt that insane, unique weps are 150k+

[small furnace]

8k on a single item is not worth to most people, the dude's point was that now only people who can afford to spend and lose 8k on a single item are the ones having +3 all.

[pallid vector]

even if it was 8k u could make that much in couple hours if u were efficient, so i wouldnt say its reserved for top %, its just not worth the cost - stat ratio for most

[small furnace]

You vastly overestimate how good the average player is at this game both in terms of looting and pvp. Just because you and I can drop that kind of money doesn't mean that for the average person that is not out of reach.

[pallid vector]

Maybe i do lol

[small furnace]

1000%, there are people in this game that get hard stuck in pathfinder.

[pallid vector]

tbf tho u can make alot of money reselling on new marketplace

[unborn yacht]

goblin cave lacks sufficient amount of blues, half the time people take them before you even get the chance you find them or they spawn on polar opposite floor where nobody can find them no matter how fast you are other people can find them first and youl be fucked becuase there isn;t enough blue portal spawns, doesen't matter how much ground you can cover your always not likely to survive because not enough exits both in terms of static and random portals

[tired ruin]

skill issue.

[unborn yacht]

this is why goblins caves is so hated i think, ruins does not suffer this becuase you can always go to crypts if no blue is found and then leave from there

static reds added to goblins caves would be cool but idk where they should take you

anybody who just happens to spawn near a static blue in goblin caves is lucky and is given the campers advantage

i literally killed 2 people just now and had full pockets only to have every exit taken before i get there in gobby caves AND deal with people camping sneakily at the static exits outside the ring shooting projectiles at me just before they leave(i survived that but with a hunk of health missing)

2 fixes to this issue would be to make it so blues accept 2 people instead of just 1 person or just add more blue or introduce reds

i been playing since playtest 3 so i think my opinion is quite valid if your a fan for what is actually fun in this game, i mean people dont call gobby caves the kit eater map for now reason, it usually ends with multiple people dying no matter how good they are because of both bad RNG and mainly due to not having enough exit portals to begin with

with the way its designed right now it forces people to kill over half the lobby(which shouldn't be expected of them) or hope to be in a mostly empty lobby to even have decent luck at finding a exit

right now ruins/crypts is the most balanced map it would seem, because the skill ceiling is higher there and its just simply more viable as a whole when you look at all classes, if your looking to actually make it out alive, im a cleric always been one always will be unless holy paladin is added

[knotty tulip]

lower speed on ALL Bab weapons by 10

[unborn yacht]

i think it would be fair if cleric got some kind of physical ranged weapon

honestly given the treatment warlock has been receiving it would only make sense if cleric got to use more too

[indigo grail]

yummmy yummy mmmmmm lagaroni for meeee???? yum yum yum

[sharp cape]

just lost a 10K kit to getting stuck on the ramp up from the troll treasure room while fighting
FIX THIS BROKEN RAMP SPOT
FIX THE STUCK BEHIND A CHEST GLITCH
ALL IT TAKES IS SLIGHT EDITING
also incase the devs are completely unaware
getting stuck going up ramps happens in way too many spots

[indigo grail]

adjust gear stats

make gear not as important

i wanna feel like im fighting a player not their gear

[civic zodiac]

remove the actual rotation to replace it with a party size rotation on all map instead. so solo arent forced on goblin cave and gonna improve diversity. ex every 5min GC go from solo to duo then trio and its like that to all maps so theres always one avail for every partysize on rotation. only take 10min to wait max if you wanna play only in 1 map.

[amber vigil]

Please for the love of god add some kind of anti cheat to the game my friends and I have been unable to play trios for the past month because the cheaters are so common in our lobbies both US West and East

[sharp cape]

not to be rude but are you sure you arent just coping
i play this game constantly in both duos and solos and have only ever died to a blatant cheater once

[amber vigil]

I received multiple perma ban notices when I was still playing trios every day same with my friends I play with. Also cheaters in solos and duos is much less common from my experience.

[hot hemlock]

In 700+ games this wipe ive only died to 2 people who were cheating in trios

[limber elbow]

Every time I die due to an extremely confusing situation, I report that player and turn off the game and don't play. The next day I get a notification that the report was successful. Sometimes I report 7 people, sometimes I report and quit because I'm so bored. With a bunch of hackers running all over the map and DEVS only bans hackers for a few days, while hackers can still create another one and continue hacking, why not ban the whole account instead of banning just one character hack in that account

[sharp cape]

i highly doubt they just ban a character

[civic zodiac]

some peoples dont mind buying the game multiple time

especially peoples who pay high price for a hack they dt mind about money. its sad that peoples lack skill at the point they cant enjoy a game fair and square

[sweet hull]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/533842/deeprock-style-procedural-dungeonsmapstrapschests

[unkempt nest]

@sdf can we remove map rotation before whipe pls?????

[void panther]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/527851/allow-wizards-to-use-all-spells
Please check it out and give suggestions

[strong grotto]

They better add the whole training area, where people can also duel for fun and for the sake of training itself. And I am not be satisfied with anything less.

[vapid galleon]

Can we please have an option for casuals to go into a dungeon where they need not fear PvP. I'm sick and tired of getting into a game only to be hunted down by the top 10% like a dog. No chance to win, just a hopeless death that comes sooner or later depending on how far I am from them. Is there a poll for something that suggests a PvE only or whatever, as I really am sick of being PvP'd by chads who are effectively playing a far different game than me, an average player, on a far different skill level.

[static turret]

you should go play a different game, you cant come to a pvp game demanding to not be pvped because youre bad.

Also the average player can infact pvp, the selling point of the game is full loot pvp as these types of games are and your here asking for it to be removed lmao

[vapid galleon]

I'm afraid you're just being rude.
A PvP game needs to tailor its experience to the average player and it's not doing that, hence much teaming is happening. Second, I can ask for a PvE only mode. It's hardly a sin and won't affect PvP at all, except make PvPvE an actually viable PvP as opposed to a hunt of casuals and average players. The simple reason being that PvP focused players would have a place to go and compete.

[static turret]

you cant split lobbies even more with such a small playerbase, the game is a pvp game why dont you go play a pve one.

Also you keep talking of the average player as someone who is handless and cant or doesnt wanna pvp that isnt the case

[civic zodiac]

some peoples need to learn. i would not disagree with having a pve lobby with only grey gear to loot and barely nothing to get out so its mediocre for making money. the guys that would ragequit may learn and start playing normal mode futurely it might benefit the game tbf

[vapid galleon]

I want to PvP, but if I'm facing a heavyweight, I won't win the vast majority of the time. Also, other PvP games don't seem to have an empty lobby problem, even when they have multiple modes, so I don't see why they can't accomodate a PvE or some such.

Also, were there a DaD like game w/ PVE only I would. Besides this, I've spent my money on DaD, and I'm not going to splurge on games that may or may not be as enjoyable for PvE only.

[small furnace]

Normals exists tho

Just hop in normals, you'll never be out geared and you can pvp to heart's content.

[vapid galleon]

Normals lacks the rewards of high roller. The rewards of HR are a big part of the game. Normals, for me, got boring quick. Also, I don't always want to PvP. I want to roleplay my character and sometimes that means I wanna be a "good guy" who doesn't PvP unless necessary. Or sometimes I just wanna dungeon crawl, no PvP, just PvE. If there were a PvE option I'd rather have that. Normals is dull and I'm not sure that many care all that much for normals except to get geared for HR.

[static turret]

having a hr pve mode would ruin the game in multiple way and kill it.

[civic zodiac]

would not be against lowering normal a bit and make it pve so ppl can prepare more easely for highrollers

[static turret]

I would

Its a horrible idea, where would people practise pvp in with low gear cost when they die alot while practising

[small furnace]

I have no problems with people practicing pvp a lot, that's a weird argument to make against it. People should be able to practice more that's why a training room is good.

I'm against it because it cheapens HR by a lot if you can just get good gear by pveing.

[static turret]

You missread, im against making normals pve due to removing an enviroment to practise pvp with low risk and affordable builds.

[small furnace]

Oh yeah I did, yeah I agree with you normals is good for practicing pvp. It's also good if people want purely skill-based pvp with no gear involved. It serves two purposes, and it's rather casual in nature too.

[static turret]

Im also very strongly against a HR pve mode, the game isnt that it just isnt a pve game.

[small furnace]

Even if it were separated from the pvp part of the game I agree with that. It would just split the playerbase even more and we know that's a bad idea. If people want a purely pve dungeon crawler experience they can go play any number of other games.

[graceful frost]

yeah a pve only mode would be pretty bad. it would have to be completely seperate characters and stuff, I would want no crossover.

besides the game has proven to be a pvp game at heart, and the pve isn't good enough imo to justify a pve only side.

[static turret]

It would just kill the game, i agree with you in that people wanting to pve only should look for other titles as there are way better ones at that

[fast hill]

If you ever want to delete invisibility from the game and you need a new identity for Rogues can we become Arcane Tricksters? We can get spells like:

Mage Hand - Interact with regular objects at range for short duration
Bar Door - Reinforces a door requiring it to take longer to open for a short-mid duration, can still be smashed open
Illusion - Summons an illusion of a player or monster, maybe you can control it
Shadowstep - Teleports behind target at short range
Disguise - Monsters don’t react to your presence until you damage them or the buff wears off
Distraction - Play a noise in a direction of your choice 30ft away

[loud storm]

I hope countermeasures/captcha will be placed for the market to prevent botting because it will be an issue soon...

[hallow flare]

I’m mainly a PvE player and I completely agree, a big part of what makes the PvE fun is the danger and excitement of other players freedom. I make this comparison a lot because they are both PvPvE games, but Sea of Thieves is a very good example. It is mainly PvE focused, but at any time another player crew who wants to blast you can sail up. Adds so much to the enjoyment of the game, even if you only want to PvE imo

[limber elbow]

The devs of this game are extremely bad, doing extremely poorly, instead of permanently banning or banning the entire account, the devs of this game ban every character who uses hacks, the hackers still create new ones and continue to hack, the system By doing this, hackers have nothing to fear except waiting for the ban to end and then hacking again

[karmic ravine]

They should add a named dagger that can break boxes and barrels

[simple magnet]

Increase the amount of emotes we can put on the wheel

[frigid current]

GIVE US EACH A SHOPFRONT SO SELLING 20+ ITEMS ON THE MARKET ISNT SO CUMBERSOME

[formal wadi]

I think a practice mode would do wonders. You don't gain or lose anything, and you can select what map to play on so you can try out your gear and practice AI attack patterns

[azure vine]

I’d recommend playing a lot of low roller until you feel familiar with the maps/combat/pve then PvP won’t feel as daunting. Also try to learn what your class does good and bad against, it really helps when figuring out how to win a fight

[tulip venture]

At least it’s slightly harder to make consistent bots with the way the inventory is now

[chilly oasis]

Necklace slot:
new neclace slot, and lootable ear slot on players. Allows you to add ears from dead players to a necklace. can be looted. A way to prove you've killed a lot of players.

[queen viper]

Make Otto drop the rarest item in the game if you pet him enough and drop a bone in front of him but don't tell anyone about it.

[hollow zinc]

What are thoughts on an pure PvP arena mode where you dont lose gear but compete for progressively move valuable rewards, for example [Money->Weapon-> Equipment->Better Equipment/Weapon->Key/Gem/legendary] the map could be similar to the ever-changing arena in the D&D Honor among thieves movie.

I think it would not only be a good way to practice but it also could provide AP given the how far you make it into the match

[hollow zinc]

I did not know that could you tell me more about it?

[buoyant ridge]

FIX GETTING STUCK IN GOBO CAVES ELEVATORS

[weak zenith]

REMOVE EVERY CLASS BUT BARD!
IM SAYING THIS IN FULL CAPS SO ITS MORE IMPORTANT AND HARDER TO READ!

[ruby estuary]

I feel like the rotating maps should exclude the group that gets the base map, like solos should not rotate in goblins but should in ice caves and ruins. And same with trios shouldn’t get a rotation in ruins, it seems weird to have two spots to queue into at one time.

[granite plinth]

it's currently as you stated. this is called hybrid rotation by ironmace and they've already implemented it.. but on another note please ironmace just let us select all maps all mods by ourselves don't force rotation on us.. the majority disliked rotation ever since it being implemented

[ancient grove]

make wizards have passive meditation when they rest

[minor oriole]

you recover spells already when resting... try a campfire or a bard on your team. Devs- you should updated the grim smile ring art and make it a gold ring since its it in the description.

[ancient grove]

i mean like the acutal meditation skill should be a passive. sitting down for half the game isnt fun.

[ancient grove]

even when sitting down it so slow to recover spells ur a sitting duck

[minor oriole]

yeah thats why campfire kits are so good right now

[ancient grove]

being handicapped by needing to constantly bring campfires isnt a good design. clarity pots were so good for wizards idk why they removed them.

i think a cooldown system for wizard spells would be good like it can store up to 5 charges and it regens 1 spell every 10-15 seconds passively

[minor oriole]

because people at a high skill where wiping lobbies really fast, you could wipe a squad and then recover all spells by the time you got in the next engagement it was broken

[ruby estuary]

I guess I haven’t played since then i thought trios did have a rotation in ruins by my last play, but i agree with then in the fact they need to keep the dungeons populated and with the player numbers as they are i think its a decent middle ground

[ancient grove]

how is it broken to be ready for another fight?

[minor oriole]

because of Death ball meta

[ancient grove]

you can its just very slow

[minor oriole]

wizards are squishy unless your a pdr wizard so its just better to not get hit by using spells than to risk getting smacked

[tulip venture]

I would love if we could break ice block with the pickaxe it really seems like it should

[minor oriole]

i agree, if you can mine iron ore and all the other ores with a pickaxe, you should be able to do an action with the pickaxe to break it over time, like 10 swings or something

[granite plinth]

right before they added this hybrid rotation we had choice on all maps and modes for about 3 days and i had 0 struggles finding full lobbies. meanwhile now me and my friend experience harder times finding full duo lobbies cause map rotates every 5 minutes or idk why

yesterday a wizard killed me after missing all zaps all fire balls and all ice bolts and he did so by casting 3 arcane missiles towards me when i went to push him and the funny thing is i reacted each time and dodged out of his fire line but uh oh homecoming missles it's ok buddy you keep playing rogue ( better said keep playing victim )

[thin flicker]

A monthly PvE raid consisting of devs acting as a "dungeonmaster" but not actively there. A mixture of modules, mobs, enemies, and unique traps to help or hurt players. Could be like a "track" where players have to progress from one room to the next after defeating all enemies or triggering certain events. A pvp version would probably be cool. If you wanted active dungeonmaster system on a PVPVE type map, dungeonmaster could be given a point system to generate mobs/subbosses from certain spawns, trigger certain events like weather, etc. the points slowly tick upwards over time. Maybe make a queue where 10 players can join and one is a dungeonmaster. Or you could source dungeonmasters from the community and give them privilege to ensure proper immersive experience

[uncut sedge]

There is not enough portals in goblins. I'm avoiding chests and killing 3-5 players per game and still barely finding portals

[formal wadi]

Sounds cool

[thin flicker]

Also the game is in need of a lowroller mode where you can bring in gear. It doesnt need to be 5 queus for party sizes. Just make it 15 players 1 extra queue, solo, free for fall - teaming encouraged. Make a new map specifically for it

[rustic loom]

Something even just similar to this would be so cool, just having the modules mixed around and not knowing where to go would enhance the game a ton i think. It would actually force players to explore and get caught out in more interesting spots. I think it would be more interesting sticking to PvPvE gamemodes though thats where the fun in this game is

[sudden trail]

A boss that does some kind of attack or buff that wakes up every mob in the dungeon?

[thin flicker]

Ill make a suggestion up

[static turret]

day 2 of asking for catboy class

[static turret]

teaming encouraged 💀

ban all teamers and games good again

[thin flicker]

Well yeah, the reason why i said that is because i think teaming should be banned in ranked modes and make this mode for that style of play so it gives those players somewhere to experience that.

[thin flicker]

Tabaxi

[static turret]

they already have normals

altho even there shouldnt be teaming, if you queue solo play solo. Wanna team with someone? Find someone for example on this discord and queue dup or trio. Teaming is an unfair advantage just like cheats

[drowsy grotto]

Remove the ability for wisps to remove buffs or atleast just make it so it only targets one buff at a time, It's incredibly unfun to deal with as a bard and borderline only effects bards.

[dusk olive]

you know how when a message pops up it has the ink blotch/dark spot around the message?
it would be a nice touch if it was animated, like you saw the ink/darkness expand on your screen

[hollow grotto]

Suggestion: Make the season rewards xp based not AP tier based, because for the average player who works and plays other games too, its never going to be possible to get past the 4th tier of the game with how often the meta switches and how the rank for high roller is based per character not overall

[graceful frost]

its really easy to get ap. can just rat to demi god in 3 days if you want. or if your a good stack can get like voyager 3- demi god in like 2 days

[frigid current]

Wall spike traps. I don't see the reason for their existence. I've generally disregarded them up until now, as I've lost a pretty solid kit to one while on my way to a dark corner for healing. However, now I'm really analyzing them. Why do they exist? What purpose do they serve? Is this a skill issue? It can't be, as one must memorize their locations or lean forward far enough to view the mini-map. Even then, if you're in certain parts of the map, they're not displayed. I've avoided them up to Exemplar. Which serves to my point, that they're mostly irrelevant, and serve little purpose to the actual game. They're just a silly, stupid addition to cause occasional annoyances. They should be entirely removed.

REMOVE THESE FUCKING POINTLESS WALL SPIKE TRAPS BECAUSE THEYRE MOSTLY IRRELEVANT

[quiet hatch]

plz let me play any map i want i love the new ice map but can only play it on duos and its very frustrating

[granite plinth]

good job ironmace with your new melee wizard build very good indeed...... guys rogue is the weakest class in the game for too long now when are you gonna do something about it ?

[quiet hatch]

landmine isnt weak though but the other gameplay is i agree

[worn magnet]

ice mpa gear caped imagine runing it on new wipe with nothing

[unborn yacht]

wisps should not be able to cancel out trolls bloods

[mental stream]

i agree

[unborn yacht]

it happened to me the first time earlier, i was so surprised i was stunned irl xd

feels like trolls bloods were forgotten about when the affect was being added to wisps, just doesen't feel intended

[primal thicket]

could we get actual timers for the merchants?

or can someone explain to me how the current one works pls

[thin flicker]

But you cant bring gear into normals?

[thin flicker]

Yes but if its explicitly stated that you need to team, it will change the dynamic, plus reduce portals, etc. thats the point. This mode is to filter all of those players who want that playstyle into it. Are you like not reading what im saying? I literally said ban teaming in ranked. Make sure you read what others are putting down before you try to pick them up. There needs to be a no ranked, bring in your gear mode. This 1 extra queue would solve that. Make it solo so that trios cant just queue in and win based off of dynamics only

[thin flicker]

Its 30 minutes on the dot, so 1:30,2:00,2:30 etc

[frigid current]

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO RELOAD MY CROSSBOW IN THE NEXT PREGAME??? MY DUDE WAS SELLING HIS GOODS AND SHIT BUT HE CANT RELOAD A CROSSBOW?

[potent jay]

really need to show the rotion order on the screen, so many players dont get it

[hollow abyss]

Great idea: dont have wizards deal 200 damage in 2 hits woaahh

[static turret]

people team in ranked cause theyre scared to lose rank they dont need a teaming lobbie and especially not one where they can get gear

Just ban teaming and be strict with it problem fixed

[haughty harbor]

SOBADSTRANGE HIT DEMI IN 22 HOURS

[inner void]

Hey everybody, so i've played on the last update since it came out and i have an idea for the map rotation, it could already been proposed tho.

So i think IM should bring back the rotation system from before where you can only play on rotation, but instead of one map for the size of the team they should up that to two map, so like if you're on trio you could play on goblin / mountain, goblin / ruin, ruin / mountain.

Like that it would reduce the number of match at the same time that they was on the update where you could choose every map on every team scale, and be easier to complete quest and play on the map that you want than the rotation system with only one map for each team scale and the current update.

Tell me what you think of that idea, i guess im not the only one with this concept but if you like it, could be nice to have some feedback. i apologize for bad writing since im not english they could be some mistake ^^ Bye

[azure bison]

Does anyone have any idea if quests next season are gonna be same? someone said its gonna be like in tarkov , so qeusts each wipe dont change , wich is stupid , they have to change it up a bit , with new update i feel like there is gonna be new quests.

[tulip venture]

That haven’t said yet but this is only the first iteration of quests and I’m sure they will get more refined moving forward

[formal valve]

GC sucks.

[idle crater]

so annoying to get the jump on a wizzer, or outplay him, only to have magic missle 1 and 2 shot u instantly

[devout jasper]

let's kill any player interaction yepee

[weak zenith]

Remove voip, remove dungeon crawling, just go full battle royale, ezpz

Also remove every class but bard

[unborn yacht]

divine protections cool down takes waaay too long so i never use it

also again whisps should not be able to cancel out trolls bloods

trolls bloods needs to have its own healing type so its not affected by the whisps's status affect, because it seems like a accident having them be able to do that

[unborn yacht]

in the marketplace the drop down things should have a lot more visable things at once instead of making me scroll through tiny menus with tiny scroller when using the search filters

it should be double or tripled in size

[peak reef]

I suggest puting icons in the map where a portal has spawned, just like the Static Extraction have a icon in the map, this could save frustration from players that have just not been able to hear or see a portal and lost their gear, specially in the goblin caves which seems to be a common occurance.

[sterile lily]

marketplace filter by class

[formal wadi]

[tulip venture]

Would be nice and maybe just an over all more updated UI

[sterile lily]

updated UI is must have, just makin sure the filter by class is HIGHLIGHTED

[pallid vector]

let me filter by multiple att on an item too

[hallow flare]

I think a “no map rotation” event might be a good idea to appease people, like on a weekend once per month. Maybe also modifiers on loot/AP gains to go with it, like some other games to bolster the player base at specific times, but they’d have to really prep the servers for the kinda stress timed events would bring

[sly meteor]

The servers are already stressing even thought a grand total of 10 and a half players are playing it lmao

[azure flax]

just let me pick the map and group size ffs. or have all 3 group sizes in rotation at the same time. because i despise the ice map on duos and cant stand waiting a half hour to play duos on not that map.

[primal skiff]

Frost caves is really unfun when you aggro an entire giant-size room of skeletons without even crossing the room or entering line-of-sight of the enemies. The range that enemies are pulled from is currently way too far. Mobs show up from the other side of doors and break them down as if they were attacked. Furthermore, the permanent death from the black abyss feels pretty awful. Like, it's kinda funny that you could potentially use knockback effects to send people to their deaths, but when your partner spends 8-10minutes minutes clearing every. Last. Skeleton. Save his partner, all of his gear, just to get pushed off a cliff by a skeleton axeman? I understand there's some skill issue here. I just don't think perma-death rooms are necessary for the game to feel fun and complete. It's an interesting idea.

If you are going to add perma-death bottomless pits, I suggest making them trap doors that you can lure players onto, and drop them that way. Some way that the bottomless pit is either, sequestered to a smaller area, or accessible via interactable objects. I still think there should also be a way that players, OR GEAR, might be able to be recovered from the abyss. A special Wish shrine or something similar.

[humble chasm]

Ignited weapons should be able to break ice.

[granite plinth]

bro how is rogue not weak when they shift wizard (ranged) meta to a melee one and rogues are stuck with bomb smoke on main builds cause everything else sucks ? rogue is the literal victim of this game and if you deny it you are clueless about the game probably stuck in wanderer. yes while fully kitted rogues are a problem they are still gonna lose to a half naked wizard shooting missles to a half naked barb throwing his axe over his head or any plated fighter in green gear. then you have the ranger match up which is skill match up and warlock which 1 shots you if he has bonk spell. on top of all this you have bard which is a rogue but with extra stats that doesn't go invis and has range option which makes him a playuable class unlike rogue.

[meager jasper]

I really love ice caves. It's a great pve experience that's very tightly designed. It's grown on me a lot since its release. It's also so dense that it prevents people from rushing you or people ratting around easily without dying. I appreciate the specialization of the map, but I do still definitely think we should be going back to map selection so people can pick their favourites and maps they're actually suited to.

[graceful frost]

yeah ice caves is a great map. The one complaint I have about it is I think the pve density should be adjusted for each mode, so solos would have less, duos would have a bit less, and trios would stay the same.

[meager jasper]

I actually don't think that. I never have a problem getting to places in duos on the map, so any adjustment to duos is likely to make that pressure making the map pve focused fizzle out. As for solo, the ease of camping a static exit makes it the best solo map already. If anything it's a map suited for solos and duos because trios will struggle to escape if they don't get a raft or the lift or secure multiple rooms. And trios don't need the density reduced at all tbh.

[granite plinth]

suggestion: since rogue is weak atm make a new perk for double wielding rogue since it's truly the class that should be able to double wield. make the perk not give additional damage nor attack speed! instead make it so that the second weapon equipped gives -0 movment speed debuff

rogue is weak at the moment since wizard (ranged class) meta took a shift towards a melee combat style. half naked barbarians are hard to fight as fully kited rogue and any plated fighter in green gear is just as scary. warlocks are either gonna bonk you once and send you flying all togheter with your 5k gold kit and bards are just rogues with extra stats and ranged option which makes them very strong. the only playable fight for rogues at the moment are rangers and that match up is purely skill based as this games should be.

i hope you realize you could equipp a +2 weapon damage dagger next to your rapier thus increasing overall damage at the loss of poisoned weapon. which is a fair trade considering that when you dual wield you can create combos that attack faster than usual.

now i am not saying this is what they should do. i am just coming up with ideas for some healtier rogue game play since nobody else is

no that would be op and doomed to be nerfed after a few weeks 🙂 see me personally don't want to be broken i just want it to be a playable class since it's been shit forever

but yeah i would love it even so just show the rogues some love please

[sharp cape]

RANGED META RANGED META RANGED META I HATE THE RANGED META WHY IS IT THAT THE ONLY TIME I DIE TO A ROGUE HE HAS 10 STACKS OF POISON THROWING KNINVES

[granite plinth]

gaining movment speed is very different than not getting a speed debuff. but yes at the end of the day you would not lose movment speed by equipping a second dagger thus having +10 movment speed if you want to call it that.

[frigid current]

pretty fast computer and almost never experience FPS lag, but a ghosted wizard or warlock in my face makes my FPS drop hard

[granite plinth]

make the perk give +10 movment speed for equipping a dagger in any hand and only work if you are dual wielding. don't force 2 daggers on them rather let them use 1 rapier 1 dagger for this perk

[wise walrus]

mordhau chase mechanic? If you a 2 yards behind your foe you get a VERY slight speed increase. Also nerf move speed on gear.

[small furnace]

More perks for the most perk bloated class in the game is absolutely not the way. We need to start combining some of these more useless perks that rogue has.

[frigid current]

Encountering another player in under 30 seconds at my own spawn location doesn't seem to fit in with the game's style. Seems like a mistake, idk.

[foggy sun]

give bard a new skill, he has only one XD

[ancient stag]

Can we please get an updated Merchant UI with accurate refresh timers? currently, my merchants all say they will refresh in about 14 hours, which we all know not to be true.

[loud storm]

can we stop having a timer on HR spectate for the last party?

[small furnace]

Doesn't feel like this would be hard yeah

[static turret]

day 3 of asking for catboy class

we really need it

[loud storm]

at round end in HR: Show the kill log

[foggy sun]

tabaxi skin would be funny

[tulip venture]

legally distinct tabaxi* catgirls

[foggy sun]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[tulip venture]

i would love if it had the silly ears that pop out of helmets

[foggy sun]

Now it would be easy to make a drow skin, just turn the elf purple and give him extra white hair, slightly purple eyes etc

[foggy sun]

Just make somthing like a skyrim Khajiit

[tulip venture]

i disagree i need the drow skin to look rude the current elf looks so inviting even if purple

[foggy sun]

ya, maybe make his face a little more angular

[tulip venture]

i just wanna play as Minthara if im being totally honest

[foggy sun]

fair enough

[woeful hawk]

I feel like they should Make ice caverns a bottom floor of goblin caves like they did with crypts and then remove map rotation and set it so any map can have any amount of players (this might make it so lobbies are not so filled but will make the game more enjoyable)

[proven jacinth]

can we get like a base for just going in and testing our gear on dummies

[narrow arrow]

Idea for Map rotation: Add a little box on the map selection that tells you what the next map and size of party will be so people can plan around it. Additionally, map and size combos that are more popular should appear more frequently... Map rotation can be good, and I do enjoy how it is at this current state.

[civic zodiac]

for my part i say they should remove actual rotation to replace it with a group size rotation. so there will be only 3 choice to increase the player per map and all map will be playable solo duo or trio on a 5minute rotation so the longer u can possibly wait for ur fav map on the partysize you are is 10minute. i do think its the best inbetween we can get i might be wrong but thats my feeling

even better imo i think the actual lobby timer should be 2min30 and the map rotation should be lowered to 2min30 so peoples cant have fuller or lightier lobby by waiting last moment to queue and would make the longest possible time to wait for ur partysize lowered to 5minute. i dont think any1 would complain having to wait 5min to have their ice cave trio to pop up.

what you guys think about this suggestion?

[heady marlin]

Very good suggestion I would like that to be implemented to

[raven ice]

Suggestion: + AP bonus that increases multiplicatively based on each unique enemy type you kill. (goblin/skeleton/demon/minibosses). Could include killing one of each player class per run to incentivize PvP as well as going down/extending runs

[wet gyro]

Has anything been said about bringing back the lava monster back?

[strong grotto]

You can see that being on the suggestions for the game for years now. Go and upvote, maybe they will finally allow us to have it.

[jolly wyvern]

IMO wipe should be individual basis
If a player started playing 4 days ago and just collected first stuff which are getting wiped out unexpectedly -> it makes the player to quit for a long time
Every N run/day you got 'robbed' or smth and your stuff disappeared -> would be a quite interesting mechanic

[graceful valve]

allow me to equip items of the ground if the slot is empty

[granite plinth]

The point of the wipe is so everyone starts from nothing, and the wipes are announced before they happen

[rough chasm]

Don't know how i only just thought of this but if we're doing cape skins SURELY a 'lava' cape skin 👀

[civic zodiac]

if we are on "pre season #1" will that mean there gonna be a "real" season after that before a wipe?

[hoary oracle]

I think we need perks for smoke pot on rogue any toughts

[unborn yacht]

how does one make a bear trap invisible

i jkut got cought on one while i was looking for it and it was invisiable until i actually got hit by it

i got it on video

[unborn yacht]

look at how i died with my last set #dnd-content message

[static turret]

so infernal cape from rs?

[rough chasm]

Nah nah, a lava cape
like the lava in infe.. hell
👀

[devout jasper]

i'd love to see the old goblin cave back, imo goblin cave shouldn't be this giant maze like map because i barely encounter anybody

but the only white and grey stuff system is really cool

[peak reef]

Rogue rework suggestions...
Cut Throat: Cancels every magic type of spell or buff for the next 4 seconds.
Ambush: 3 Seconds of actual 50% more damage, not just 1 hit.
Stealth: 15 meters.
Creep: Remove footsteps noise when crouching and opens doors very quietly. (people with good headsets just hear the footsteps currently anyway making is almost useless in high ranks)
Hand Crossbow Mastery: This perk should not be in the game, just let rogues use hand crossbows.
Hidden Pockets: Nobody uses this perk, remove it and just let rogues have hidden pockets, I am already just never having potions in my belt and just quickly grab them from my inventory when I need them...
Hide and Hide Mastery: I think should just merge those perks let stealth be used for like 30s, also reduce Stealth cooldown to like 25s.
Trap Detection Nobody uses this.

I do not have a problem with the low stats you start with cuz can just be fixed with gear, but I do honestly think that currently rogue is just way too weak and is mostly all the time avoiding fights or just playing a playstyle that is literally just to never have to fight other players with double jump and smoke pot...

[serene grove]

are u high?

[peak reef]

what u suggest then

[serene grove]

not talking drugs

[main forum]

stop being toxic please

[haughty geode]

I mean its nice to see someone trying to make changes instead of just saying "game dead" or other irrelevant nonesense.

@erick.07 No need to be a loser about it man. Discussion of the game is the point of this channel.

[serene grove]

cant u just read what he suggested?

how can u be nice? if he wants the end of other classes

[haughty geode]

Cant you not shit on him for giving his perspective of changes? Its not even like he was trolling.

Go back to barb chat if you're gonna be like that.

[main forum]

he just made a suggestion, it's not going to be implemented in the game. No need to panic

[serene grove]

get off ur bubble

[haughty geode]

@peak reef Yo I think the damage thing is the only aspect that you're off the mark on. Rouge ambush already nearly wins you a fight if they dont see you coming.

Other than that yeah I mean if they gave you handcrossbow for no perk, they'd have to weaken hand crossbow cause it is good.

@erick.07 Child. Yo mods need to ban losers and trolls its seriously killing this community.

[serene grove]

nice comeback u boring boi

[haughty geode]

Enjoy the block never seeing your worthless words again.

This child sits in chats all day saying nothing and then gets mad when ppl on topic.

[serene grove]

he took it personal , idk why

[serene grove]

gugu gaga ,

[haughty geode]

@devout jasper I think the old gobbo caves will return.

The whole 4 portals on 3v3 gobbo caves for solos has made a lot of people mad. Portals are so hard to find people think its a bug.

[peak reef]

But wouldnt you say, get ambushed by pretty much any class is already a nearly win vs any other class?

Rogue is supposed to be slippery, stealthy and deadly specially with classes with low health/protection, I am currently already avoiding most of my fights due I know I will not deal enough damage even if I get them ambushed and get 3 hits on them

[haughty geode]

No because the other classes dont get 50% more damage which is a lot when you have purple-gold gear.

I have been 1 shotted by gold people by stiletto or rapiers.

In low roller your idea would be okay I think. Rouges stat scaling is the most gear dependent in the game

[peak reef]

What gear were u using that you got 1 shot? perhaps what they should do is nerf the purple-gold gear and buff the perks?

[haughty geode]

I was slayer fighter vs a rouge with a 32000 gold kit. He had +12 total true damage and 109% ms. He ambushed me and headshot me and I had about 90 hp left.

I was unsure if it was a headshot but I died instantly so I assumed.

[peak reef]

like I personally gotta spend minimally around 1000g to have atleast a fighting chance aganist some classes that no near spend as much gold as me

[haughty geode]

This is very accurate for rouge gameplay.

[peak reef]

hm I guess the ambush +30% damage does scale a lot with good gear ngl, but I have never used such expensive kits...

[haughty geode]

Yeah its the gear that holds rouge down. If they took golds and unique weps out I think you could see some buffs.

Or just made gear less impactful all around even.

Smokepot is the only unbalanced thing rouge currently has imo and thats not even that bad.

[peak reef]

maybe they could just make the gold kits just less good so they can not 1 tap another gold dude, the point would be to make the rogue playable even with a economical kit, I am tireally mostly just running away as soon as I get spotted by a player cuz I know I have 0 chance unless I ambush

[peak reef]

I have never used smokepots, do they just use it to run away thought?

[haughty geode]

I mean that is how rouge is supposed to be played you cannot take headon fights.

What would help is if you could see visible wounds on players maybe. Rouges are good against people who are low health.

Smokepot makes it so its almost impossible to chase you.

And when they come out of it they'll be 30% slower so you can rapier kite them or shoot with handcross.

[peak reef]

I would love that to be honest, be able to tell if someone is like max health or low health a bit, maybe with their clothes filled with blood or something

[haughty geode]

Really strong like a 30 agl fighter build almost cannot catch a naked. Using smoke pot.

Plus in the cloud you cannot see anything so they'll likely lose sight of you.

Yeah a blood effect would be really nice.

[peak reef]

hmmm maybe I should start using smokepot lol

[hallow flare]

Give them something like the chase perk rangers have but scaling with how wounded the target is

[haughty geode]

Yeah like it always shows footsteps so you can see if they went invis if they stop in a weird spot.

The footsteps would be a diff color if they 50% hp left.

[peak reef]

I have only been playing this game for about 3 weeks now, do you know if IM listens to our suggestions?

[hallow flare]

Maybe have the glow intensity be based on HP

[peak reef]

I think maybe players with below 50% health could do a bit of a pain grunt noise every few seconds

that would be very easy to add in the game and be a game changer

[hallow flare]

Ooo, or actually have it be directly sound based and you hear their heartbeat

You’d hunt them down like you would a portal

[peak reef]

i mean people already hunt you down if they believe you are low health, I mean it should give some sort of indicator if someone is low on health so remove a bit the random aspect of going into a fight in complete dark without knowing your oods

[hallow flare]

That alone would not be good enough though, because people would make sure to keep their health above the threshold if they knew that was a threat, so maybe give som other sort of passive buff when near someone low on health?

Maybe minimal life steal on melee hits to help with rogues sustain issues

[peak reef]

And could I please suggest replacing the skins for common items and legendary items? like gosh I just got 2 tapped by a warlock with his legendary spellbock, if I knew he had that I would have never dared man...

[hallow flare]

Almost every class has some sort of healing enhancement option, so I think rogues should have a perk that helps with physical healing maybe.

@peak reef there is a texture difference, but it is hard to tell tbh. The unique spellbook for example has runes glowing off it

[peak reef]

It should have a clear indicator, like glowing in purple or something that makes you be aware that dude is dangerous you know? I had no clue I was trying to kill a dude with my green hand crossbow while he hit me twice and I instantly died with his legendary spell book

[haughty geode]

Yeah it wouldn't be balanced if they always made noise. A threshold would allow for counterplay so everyone didn't always know where you are.

And if they're invisible they shouldn't make noise even on 1 hp cause of the invis magic.

@peak reef IM only listens to streamers, events or crying children on reddit.

[pallid vector]

let me queue trios as a solo and earn solo rank, i cannot take anymore of this shitty goblin caves

[peak reef]

bruh last 2 rotations were in goblin caves, I swear

[small ibex]

nerf the wizard staff i dont care. there is no reason a stick should be doing near as much as a falchion WITH magic damage stacked on it

[woven jackal]

Unused spell memory should contribute to spell charges

[woven jackal]

It rotates through all 6 options in a row. Goblin caves duo, goblin caves trio, ice caves solo, ice caves trio, ruins solo, ruins duo, repeat

[peak reef]

oh..

[limber elbow]

The way Devs block players who use hacks is the best way to kill this game, playing all week testing the entire class, only meeting new players under low rank, 121 health with basic equipment and some green, sticky equipment. 1 holy strike and 2 hits with smite when equipped with blue staff, surprisingly every game encounters exactly that 1 person living with 1 HP, Devs only block for a few hours then release again, Fuck the report and Ban system IRONMACE

[static turret]

day 4 of asking for catboy class

[static turret]

yes

🤠

[static turret]

exactly

[candid otter]

gore update

[iron snow]

Bring back triple queues for each map. at least allow GC and IC to have solo duo options.

[teal arch]

This

[foggy sun]

that could make the game run worse

[smoky grotto]

Would you like to have smart backpack? Please check this suggestion https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/534339/improved-backpack

[river flint]

unpopular opinion: "ranked/ap is bad for the game"

[queen bear]

Please add a section for ranked high roller that has end of season rewards and regular high roller where the casual player can play without worrying about sweatlords

[plucky marsh]

fix getting leaver penalty after you die... i was playing duo ice caves alone and died so i left and i have a 270 second leaver pentalty. please fix this.

[frigid current]

GIVE US EACH A SHOPFRONT SO WE DONT HAVE TO CUMBERSOMELY SELL ITEMS

[hot wolf]

I'd like mining to grant xp, if it doesn't already

[somber wind]

Don't change staff mastery, it's fine; the reason people think it's too much is no one builds any magic resist when 150g is enough to get 1 piece of gear and get to 60% resist. The ONLY class that has no counter play for it is Rogue which needs a rework ANYWAY.

[idle roost]

What piece of gear gives you that much MR? Pavise?

[somber wind]

Northern Full Tunic with Iron Will but you can supplement it on other classes with Sanctum for those that can wear plate or Runestone Gloves and those new boots. In addition now EVERYONE has access to shields and Melee wizard is stopped dead by most shields due to it's low impact.

[jovial tinsel]

Add a bounty system for players can interact with in the pregame lobby. Increase count down to 15 seconds before a match starts. The board should show players in the lobby whos character hasn't been killed in X amount of high roller games. If your name is on the board, your character has extracted x times. Players should be able to click the name, and inspect that player from the bounty board, so they know what they look like. Killing the player awards AP multiplied by the extraction rate of that player. Then of course you would have to add a very very small multiplier for players extracting X amount of times without dying. It doesnt have to be in this format but anything like this would be neat

[static turret]

so basically have a whole lobby chase one guy

[jovial tinsel]

dont be scared

[static turret]

everyone teaming on one guy doesnt sound really fun does it

serious suggestion tho, remove statics so players have to push for final circle and pvp for portals

[granite plinth]

you must be playing naked 24/7 to come up with that idea

ironmace do some work on the rogue idgaf what you do just do something it's either no fight or go die. idk increase the stats or rework the class or combine some perks or release new ones or give us old weakpoint where it also deals damage not only armor shred do something for the love of god

[jovial tinsel]

I just want more pvp relax bro, just call me a noob if you think that. Dont be a little reddit baby

[stoic spruce]

just an idea, A dueling mode, 2 players can bet items or gold to duel for or just for fun no bet duels: could also be expanded upon with leaderboard system, team duels, duel for each others whole sets, win streaks ect.

[stuck sierra]

increase the amount of blue portals in goblin caves

[formal valve]

thats what ive been doing. just fucking off as rouge

[sudden mesa]

whens wipe?

[shadow whale]

remove move speed penalty from projectiles

[haughty geode]

The pregame lobby needs to just completely disappear. Or inspect removed.

[civic zodiac]

i agree about removing inspect

i feel like everytime a duo rush to inspect me they know exactly where i am and kill me with my 5k gear in less than 3min its insane.

[vapid galleon]

I think there is a poll for that on the DaD website, but it's called arena. So you could probably add a comment/vote it up. I recall that it's got some attention, so it may be considered.

[burnt temple]

Pretty sure they're working on some sort of arena game mode already

[azure compass]

in the trade channels, it would be nice if they had a button that recycled your last message in its entirety

[river flint]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇷 🇦 🇳 🇰 🇪 🇩

[hallow flare]

A decent idea, but I think it should be reversed, as in you should be able to put increased risk on yourself somehow. Have it be the persons choice to go out looking for a fight, like maybe choosing to have your location shown as a circle on the mini map

[vapid galleon]

Indeed. DaD Review: Great game, but minus one star for lack of kemonomimi. Blue & pink color hair, tail, and ears a bonus. However, natural hair colors are acceptable for the time being. Also, bonus if Druid is default cat boy skin

[devout jasper]

removing seems a bit too harsh because it gives something to grind to people but yeah they should reajust stuff like the static exctracts etc... because rn people are just farming ap and waiting with potions in front of the gates

[river flint]

thats the problem the game feels like grind now

[devout jasper]

grinding in itself is not a problem it's the way people grind

[river flint]

• it worsens the teaming

[devout jasper]

rn the best way to grind is to avoid any fight and camp extracts

[devout jasper]

i didn't encounter any teamers rn

[river flint]

i am just saying that farming for ap creates more teamers because pvp doesnt give you AP

[devout jasper]

yeah that's what i'm saying if they reward more the pvp = less teamers and more pvp

[river flint]

eh why do i care i dont play anymore anyway

dog devs

[pallid vector]

i finally got demigod, goblin caves driving me insane, dont have to play that shit anymore

[warm pumice]

I feel like frost mountain doesnt work well as a duo map because of the statics so goblin caves and ice caves sohuld be swapped

[primal skiff]

rogues are very squishy most of the time. But I could definitely see a rework for what gear Rogues are allowed to carry, or the "soft-max" of various stats like vigor.

[hot hemlock]

Ah yes cause a wizard in full blues 1 tapping me in purple/legendary because he made a bigger torch is "balanced", just decrease the scaling on the perk by like 75% and people wont complain

[primal skiff]

LETS CLARIFY COMMUNITY, all together. "Teaming" should be a term only used for players that are intentionally hunting other players together. Gaining an advantage in player to player combat by intentionally creating an impromtu team in a solo game is damaging for players who just want to collect some loot and leave.

We need a different term for players who are peaceful with each other. PVP in solos is not always required. With limited portals and no one dying to mobs, you might have to fight for your exit. Game Theory clearly shows that being friendly often leads to achieving higher scores. If you are unfamiliar with this, Veritasium on youtube has good info.

If there are peaceful players looting an area together, like boss treasure piles, and someone else CHARGES IN with murderous intent. The players looting there are defending themselves. That is not the same thing as intentionally creating a team and hunting down players, as we have seen in the past from certain server environments. (ref. SpudHunter youtube channel. lol.)

Peaceful Looters, "PvE Focused" players. This is the way.

I'm tired of people complaining about teaming. When they show up into a room, kill everyone there because they had god-tier gear; or die to players defending themselves because they didn't. Then they immediately go on chat channels to complain about teaming and publicly denounce people for cheating at the game. It's not the same.

Sometimes if you encounter players standing near each other, you can use Proxy chat to ASK what is going on. if they aren't into PVP, and you're spoiling for a fight, perhaps you look else where or challenge one of them to a duel. lol. Proxy chat is a great feature and should be used more. 🙂

Text chat would be useful if a player didn't have a mic... Give us chat that appears above our heads lol

[hot hemlock]

I mean just because person 1 and 2 are friendly doesnt mean I should be required to be friendly as well. A truce is still considered teaming whether it involes combat or not

[primal skiff]

you are not required to do anything. But there are consequences that you may be responsible for should you decide to cast the first stone. That is your decision and players defending should not be penalized for having a truce with each other that you interjected on. That is how life, politics and everything works.

[hot hemlock]

Players should 100% be penalized because they chose to queue into solos and look for the protection committee

[strong grotto]

True, true and true. Absolutely agree. Too bad, that large portion of audience here are deaf and blind to anything, but monkey with stick game style. I've preached the same here for many, MANY times, said many times that you DON'T HAVE TO always charge at any person you see, that there is place for just a friendly hello and just looting each their own corner of the module and even trading the loot on spot. And I've said many times, that the only, THE ONLY reasons to have a 100% choice towards violence are: 1 - you are attacked first (even then you can still negotiate, there is still a chance, I did it), 2 - there are less exits from the map, than there are players near it. DONE. It is sad, that most people are only going inside the dungeon with the sole goal of fighting all and everything, and it is hillarious that they are complaining getting killed by those, who, instead of throwing axe at first sight, just decided to say "Hi! How's going?", then cry "TeAmErS!!!! REEEEEEEE!!!!111" in discord, lol.

[primal skiff]

tEaMeRs ReEeEe 🤣 completely agree dude. Thank you. Made my day. Validation accepted. @strong grotto

[valid furnace]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/534463/solution-to-range-meta I got a solution for range meta, credit goes to a guy in DaD Reddit, named BrightSkyFire, by far the best fix I have seen.

Make sure to go vote it up, if you believe this is the fix you want

[strong grotto]

I had one solution as well, not for ranged improvements only but for melee too, upvote if you want. Already gave thumb up for yours. BTW.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/493924/melee-and-ranged-battle-system-improvement

[hallow flare]

People who w key everyone they see deserve to be stomped by “teamers”, learn some tactical thinking lol, it’s always people that are like “I hate teamers because I went looking for a fight and bit off more then I could chew, waaah”, just kill them all then, it’s always the people playing classes that have inherent advantage in 1v1 situations complaining too, like barbs and fighters who just run everyone they see down

[strong grotto]

True!

[valid furnace]

I do same to you as well, I believe that some solution is being worked on already but I hope these suggestions will improve the fix even more