suggestion-discussion

[meager jasper]

Warlock still gets rekt by a ranger with good aim and a longbow.

[sharp cape]

yeah thats why i took back saying hes op and instead said unbalanced
also wizard is op, being bad against ranger doesnt mean hes not

[meager jasper]

Balance isnt strictly a concern when making a good game. Having weaknesses is good design.

[sharp cape]

weakness and improper scaling are not the same thing

[meager jasper]

I could easily say the same thing about the caster classes having no real access to pdr so no

[sharp cape]

their pdr scales, mdr does not
referring to the gear its on

[meager jasper]

So? Again just because you think MR should scale the same way doesnt mean it should. Or that its not by intent specifically.

[sharp cape]

im sure it is intentional im just saying its bad game design and poorly thought out, also saying "So?" and not offering any reason why it shouldnt be that way is just dumb

[meager jasper]

You're not providing a reason why its bad design you're stating as much as if your opinion is fact.

[sharp cape]

right here

do you understand what mdr not being able to scale does and why it makes high gear lobbies unbalanced?

okay i shouldve been more clear and direct from the start, magic damage can scale while the resistance for the most part can not. that means that casters can just obliterate anyone with no effort at all in good gear even if the other person has as good or better gear

[meager jasper]

That's not a reason. That's an abstraction i just deconstructed. And I dont think high gear lobbies are particularly unbalanced. Maybe that's because I play a lot of warlock and wizard, but maybe not. The reality is most classes in high gear can obliterate each other very quickly. And if you think it takes no effort to play wizard I invite you to go and try it.

[sharp cape]

show me where you deconstructed a single thing instead of just disagreeing while saying nothing
also wizard is broken af lmao it took me two days of playing to get filthy rich and play different classes because he was too boring due to be overpowered

[meager jasper]

I do think they are on a bit of an upswing. But unbalanced? Nah. Nowhere near as powerful as the crossbows and longbows going around. The whole meta has become very ranged

[sharp cape]

okay everything you are saying is purely your view as a low health caster

[meager jasper]

Not really. I play barb and slayer fighter too.

[sharp cape]

crossbow needs a nerf but definitely not before wizard gets a nerf or it will be an unwinnable matchup
also longbow simply isnt broken idek what to say about that

[meager jasper]

I dont think any of that is broken.

[sharp cape]

by broken i mean blatantly unbalanced

[meager jasper]

Yes. I think you are just as guilty of negative bias toward the things that kill you. The reality is casters die to themselves, rangers, and often anyone who can buff or heal through what they're doing, and most classes with a crossbow have a decent chance.

[orchid zodiac]

fix mob hitboxes please
specially spiders

its literally minecraft blocks

[stoic thorn]

someone tell them to make a button that automatically fills gold coin purses from bags and chests

[tranquil barn]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/515169/remove-punch-speed-increase

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[hidden pier]

I think he means the disparity of white gears max pdr and mdr vs max gear

[meager jasper]

In all honesty i dont think they should give anything. The skeleton would be all I used if it wasnt a terrible debuff.

[frosty agate]

All of Wizards spells should be cut down by 1 so they dont got a mega slot of spells so they can just be naked an spam spells and hard to catch
Oh and hp reduced too, they want to be glass cannons with lots of magic. Make it so. I want to one shot wizards all the time with longswords

Tired of the babies that play the game constantly and cry about wizards not getting enough love but they always got favored in buffs and are ALWAYS viable.

[glacial sphinx]

log on a wiz and stream your solo gameplay

[edgy cape]

Lobby has an overlay showing what quests you can complete on that map. Optional in settings to keep on durring match

[tulip hill]

I know a lot of people have asked for cosmetic only skins
but that gets a little awkward with the Lizard race
Lizards not being able to wear helmets acts as both the negative of the race as well as a solution to the problem of them having weird heads that would otherwise require different helmet models
while they could make new models for them, or they could have made their head more humanoid, the former would take time better spent elsewhere and the latter would make them look really dumb

[meager jasper]

The head slot is one of the main slots for magic damage. This makes lizards worthless to me as a caster. Even with the improvement of their head armour, the way they are designed completely disincentivizes me to use them.

They shouldn't be in the game at all unless they want to put the graphical work into making helmets for them, if you ask me. But I'd rather they just had invisible helmets than they had special armor and head protection.

This is an instance of "You made your own problem" so back-justifying the design with the addition of the lizards is just really silly. If you've noticed, their feet aren't humanoid either, but they force them into shoes.

[glacial sphinx]

The skins are there to make money long term, if they have to make entirely new models for every helm for them they wouldn't be worth releasing. I think its fine having them just be slightly pay to lose, its far better than the alternative and people still enjoy lizards a lot

[obtuse stone]

We should do the wizardening again. Imagine like 9 naked wizards all holding W key with invis + magic missile on the full gold juicers. What can they even do?

[frosty agate]

Wizard Meta Game

[wicked spindle]

When a player swings a sword at a wall there is collision. When a mob swings, they swing through anything in the way. I've seen it with doors, walls, bookshelves, bars on the cell type rooms, and other things that normally stop a players attack. Please make it where they dont swing through static enviroment objects atleast. I understand the door may be a little harder cause they move and are breakable but they other examples shouldn't be happening.

[woven jackal]

Looking up should increase the speed you drink potions

[proven vortex]

https://youtu.be/eZbmuZ-b1A0?si=xsXwj2THQUWai0oI

[obtuse stone]

I love how wizards always use whataboutism to defend magic missiles

[wintry wolf]

drop rate on spider silk needs to be increased. it shouldnt do 5-10 hours of goblin cave going straight to spiders and not be able to get one. this is rediculous

[shy orbit]

Agreed and I'd say the same for wolf pelts

[wintry wolf]

if it was a final quest item i would understand. but its a low lvl dungeon quest.

[shy orbit]

I had more luck finding the spider silk than I did finding wolf pelts

I take it back, my second wolf pelt just dropped. All I had to do was complain 👍

[lunar narwhal]

remove all the stupid bone piles in inferno and crypts so when you fight the longswords/axemen you dont get cucked because every square inch of ground has some random pixel bump from the bones causing you to get hit even if you dodge perfectly. It makes for a shit feeling game and AI

[eternal raptor]

at the end of the day gear matters a lot in HR, full gold armor rolls bis purples. to have gold gear gated by items with crazy low drop rates and limited mobs is stewpid. ive done so many goblins and killed so many spiders but no fkin silk will drop dis dumb

[hardy niche]

there are so many "divine" legendary weapons, its so stupid. like good job making blues and purples feel like absolute shit. getting two shot by everything feels SOOOOO GOOD

[pale berry]

Ranger traps should be quieter when installed; if not by default, add this to the trap mastery perk

[wicked spindle]

Update the filters to the trading post, when I select head slot and go over to item name it should only list head slot items

[brazen flume]

more wisps need to spawn in ruins because this quest to kill 15 SHOULD NOT NEED 10 SUICIDE RUNS TO KILL ONE WISP

[queen niche]

I suggest Ironmace make crystal ball viable - Good start probably just lowering the ms penalty to like 10-15

or maybe allow my boi wizard to get a perk that allows the ms penalty to be negated altogether and like a +1 to mag power and wep dmg

[glacial sphinx]

crystal ball should be -15 MS yeah, horseman axe at most -25 too it was overnerfed

[magic root]

Honestly the ruins need more maps

[pallid vector]

Problem with ruins is too many players on such a small map

[magic root]

It’s a 5 by 5 it ain’t small just very open

[small furnace]

Why are you replying to me from 2 days ago on a completely unrelated topic

[eternal raptor]

he big mad lol

[dusky lotus]

Newbie tip. The only two classes that are any good in 1v1 in goblin caves are Wizard, and Rogue. Rogue just one shots you from no where. Wizard you can't ever get close. Don't play ANYTHING FUCKING ELSE.

[obtuse stone]

wizard is actually hard for newer players because they don't realize they just win against every melee class by W key + invis + magic missiles

[next pebble]

• a man who has definitely gotten a kill with wizard before

[bold rain]

Make a US central server

[eternal raptor]

remove gold gear

[unique seal]

I would humbly like to request once again a Crystal Dagger for Wizard (and only Wizard I want my own class specific gear) which has a moveset similar to an inverted arming sword

[limber elbow]

See a dog name shushihun hack 1 shot people with curse of pain , the Barbarian full 100% hp 1 curse die instal then that dog warlock keep instal cast me and i die instal 100% hp gone in 1 sec Wow and he can loots the body from 100m away from him

[gilded ether]

Why not test no/slow circle rn in normal crypts, if its going to be a thing soon in new map?

[magic ermine]

Beam of darkness dose not work on phantasm Please Note Thanks

[gilded ether]

Unload/reload bows and xbows in stash

[gilded ether]

Give alchemist explosive bottles, and surgeon surgery kits, as affinity grows

[timid palm]

are you guys still working on the triple shot bug? Where it shows it shooting but doesn't shoot a single arrow and goes on cooldown

[hidden pier]

Send clip, also wrong channel

[cunning gorge]

solo players really shouldnt have to run 200 teamed crypts normal runs to get some moldy bread and kill a demon bat - can we please consider adjusting the quests or map pools to be more friendly to solo players? it sucks at the moment

[woven junco]

Rant time = Dev team sucking - so who like PDR fighters right no one they have been here since play test 1 and devs cant balance it but can balance a bunch of other shit makes no sense they nerf rouge horribly get ri of jump spots wizard still needs nerf with invisibility with ads should only be invis with players ads should stil be able to get them but the 70% pdr fighters have not been touched since playtest one slacking devs = sad and slacking on work Like please test the game more before you release bad patches / versions of the game

[real trellis]

punctuate

[cunning gorge]

PDR fighters kinda suck in teams against people who know how to play the game - however they shine in solos, so it depends on what you're referring to

Solo/teams are completely diff games - for example, wizards in solo are free, but they are required almost for a competitive team

[meager jasper]

Boo on the "rotation" of map queues. They should all be opened up to multiple queues. I mainly do duos and solo, and not being able to reliably do the quests on one of the maps is a problem. The last thing I want is to continue to be forced away from crypts for most of the time, but just as equally I don't want to be losing the ruins for gold or the GC.

[frosty agate]

fighters suck in Trios, they aren't part of the meta. Cleric, Wizard, Barb/Rogue is meta

[cunning gorge]

ya. balance is whatever, as in there's a lack thereof because of solo/duo/trio. my issue is the quests - i am forced to go in solos against a bunch of thirsties in normals while i try to complete quests and that's bad design. it's ridiculous. it wouldnt be half bad if i didnt have to fight people trying to get my white items for some reason im not sure what the deal is but i shouldnt have to solo in teams to complete half the quests

[frosty agate]

Magic meta as alwayts

[cunning gorge]

like im literally not having fun but i am gated behind quests so in order to continue progressing in the game i have to spend hours repeating going into normals over and over and over naked trying to farm bread and get worm/demon kills against squads while im solo

its legit horrible and not rocket science they gotta change i, unless they dont want solo's to play their game then it's whatever but that seems bad for them

[frosty agate]

There is no proper way to build magic protection anymore, would be nice to be able to fight some of the rampant magic meta that happens.

Warlocks fire burn stops healing for way to long.
Fighters should get get a shield charge that slows for 2 seconds then throws them forward 15 or 20 feet

[unique flower]

Remove Goblin Caves normal from Hr pool, the mob density is too little and leads to not only 3rd, but 4th and 5th party fights constantly making it a crap shoot and not rewarding to PVP

[woven junco]

@dawn grotto @gentle blade PLEASE GET ON A N UPDATE

[cunning gorge]

Next wipe make the quests solo friendly or this game can get an uninstal its unbearable

[bright stump]

There should be no reason why Im running into triple wizard teams plz make it to where there can only 1 each of a different class before 3 stacks can queue

[glacial sphinx]

sorta agree there are some quests/drops that block progress a bit too much, moldy bread is one, wisps are one for sure, probably campfires and leather hats and bandages shouldnt be more than 10 either.

[cunning gorge]

At least the camp fires and hats can be completed solo, breads you're hurting yourself if you don't que into teams because there's basically no mobs that drop bread in GC. The wisps I did and it sucked - i ran in naked, if i spawned far away i just quit and requed, took me like 2 days of b-lining to wisps and wolves hoping some nerds didn't try to hunt me down

The demon bats and berserkers was even worse because i had to que solo into crypts, survive the onslaught of white gear hungry nubs in normals, make it to hell, and hope for the correct mad variant and decent spawn

The most fun I've had is HRGC ranking up and getting into fights, but that only got me through so many quests

[glacial sphinx]

Early quests for killing regular monsters is fine, mimics is a bit slow to be a first one and need 15. Secondary quests should be about killing a wraith or a skeleton captain or something. Single cockatrice or giant worm or golem can be ok too. I don't think its necessarily that bad that if you play solo you have to go into ruins or crypts solo and get some stuff, its just the droprates are awful and some of these things are on very early quests and block you from even starting other ones.

I mostly play solo and I don't like GC, so mostly in HR ruins or crypts but a few of these drops are still rare even if you play it fairly much. And yeah wisps almost don't exist and you actually need them twice in a row if you want to level the alchemist

[eternal raptor]

SPIDER SILK IS THE BANE OF MY EXISTANCE

[tulip hill]

What are yall thoughts on a spell that allows the user to walk on air for a few seconds like the Hover Boots from Ocarina of Time?

[small furnace]

If they aren't on a rotation queue times will take too long especially with MMR being a factor.

3 queues for each map on HR and normals is 18 queues. That's far too many. They need to do a rotation if they're going to do anything.

[meager jasper]

Not really when you consider their mmr system sucks and should also be removed. But we've no idea if it's "far too many". We haven't actually seen that, it's pure speculation that the lobbies wouldn't fill. There's a big player base and there's very little reason to believe that that anything except the lobbies with the main problems already (the extreme high end) would have any further problems. Consider as well that each of the maps except the GC, which is extremely overtuned in terms of mobs and layout, that each map has a major draw. Hell and gold spawns are not something you can get anywhere else. GC also has some of these things, but isn't worth the hassle and they need to realize it sucks imo. I suspect a drop off in use of the GC except for quests if we did get open queues because it is just bad, especially in HR.

[pallid vector]

games take forever to fill in high elo and the people in it are all the top 3 ranks anyway so its not even putting same ranks together lol, not to mentioned all high elo games are 60% fighter its so dead, in gc this is

[small furnace]

There are also several regions, meaning that my estimate of '18' queues is per-region.

There are already some regions that don't fill up in either HR or Normals. 18 queues per region is WAY too many my man, especially with how many there are.

[meager jasper]

This is still a false equivalence. They've made their own scarcity by adding this kind of MMR. We've no idea if there are enough numbers in the populated parts of the MMR system to accomodate this. But to be clear, again, they should remove this MMR system, it's pretty bad imo. I don't want to be punished for going up in ranks, and catering to newbies by making the game terrible for the people who play it a lot is not a great idea. I also feel it's pretty strongly in opposition to the idea of the game.

[pallid vector]

its garbo yeah, considering there is no skill to climbing its just looting as if u play for kills only u derank, i got 3 kills all players with full kits, i made 4000g that run, i got -40ap

[gilded ether]

Theres a spiffer vase in goblin cave, near the barricaded centipede, that drops loot IN the wall

[tiny wigeon]

You guys are aware that u don’t need to complete quests?
Nobody is forcing you to go and suffer to complete a quest, you are choosing to do this. And then you get mad cause you want it to be easier and simpler?
Come on now..

And to the people complaining about balance … there are 8 classes, there are solo, duos , trios map. There are open maps, there are closed maps.
Balance will NEVER exist in all these scenarios , it’s impossible to balance a game for 3s and for solos and for open map , and for closed map.
You guys are delusional, seriously.
Think twice before u type

[obtuse stone]

https://tenor.com/view/chatting-bean-twitch-gif-22634143

[somber wind]

Trap Mastery for Ranger should gain a secondary ability of being unable to trigger Hunting Traps.

We need a hangout lobby with minigames (like a jump maze or dice) where you can hangout, trade and talk. A chatroom of sorts. Should also have a stage for anyone who decides to be funny and go up on stage as a bard as well as a nice clearing for anyone who wants to do a drop party.

[graceful beacon]

no!!! don't make traps less conseuqnseslous for rangers!!!! if you place a trap and run through a door I don't want to get hit by a trap because of a stupid perk!!!!!

[somber wind]

Eh I guess, I feel like it's still an issue in duos and trios though if you do it in a choke point you cant get backup from your team since they're behind the trap.

[graceful beacon]

the reason people are mad about the quests are because certain items are locked behind them

[loud oyster]

Yeah, to be fair the quests are a bit egregious. The biggest issue is that they are very time consuming, likely reset after wipes, and you have to do them for every character. Legit worse than Tarkov quests because those at least stay. The insane grind for these quests is hardly worth it unless you finish them really quickly; by the time youre done, the next wipe is approaching.

[meager jasper]

The quests are terrible and grindy. And saying "you don't need to do them" is not an excuse for them being bad.

[granite plinth]

can we get a class filter in trades or revert it all together pls. i loathe the thought of going in trades for a kit at this point.

[potent gulch]

Good idea but defo too much work for the current team, i think they are planned to push out the snowy map with the ice dragon in December, which i have not heard anything yet and its over mid December.

[low thistle]

Quests rewards locked to completed class, But have quests completed for all charecters

[somber wind]

I was under the impression it was Druid December and Ice Map Janurary

[potent gulch]

I think it was confirmed in the onepeg q&a video.

https://imgur.com/a/Fc9oPNM

[lucid vortex]

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NERF RED SPIDERS GREEN 40 DAMAGE FALCHION 3 HITS TO KILL IF NOT HEADSHOTS

[somber wind]

If Elite Spiders scare you then Nightmare Spiders will make you hate everything

I really want a Perfumer class or atleast it as an Artificer Subclass. Almost no games setup Perfumer, they do SO much and are SO unique in functionality and just don't get used. Bard is similar in that it almost never sees including in a game so I was really happy to see it in Dark and Darker. In addition to Perfumer I'd be awesome to see Astrologer another long forgotten class (Entire gimmick is they have a Deck of cards that they cast spells from but you cannot pick what your next spell is, you have to draw it; you don't shuffle your deck you setup your deck's order as prep and when you cast a card you put it on the bottom of your deck. During a rest you can reorder your deck, maybe could be something like Meditation for Wizard).

[silk escarp]

PLEASE NO MORE AFTERIMAGE

[pliant copper]

God the slow is so stupid

[obtuse stone]

Judgement should be made significantly more consistent

[spring spoke]

Rangers shouldnt be able to put TRAPS inside of CORPSES, CORPSES should set off TRAPS.

[orchid sphinx]

** No. 1 Priority is Auction House. ** Trade chat is out of hand. Just want to spend gold, Gear up and get back into Dungeons, Not spend 30 mins trying buy gear.

[pliant copper]

Seriously doubt auction house is going to happen any time soon

[split trench]

I hope the hotfix adds greens to non highroller. genuinely useless tbh

[nimble igloo]

I think warlock casting would be more viable if their spells cost a little less knowledge and had a slow or knock back component

[naive walrus]

does your season rank go down if you dont play that mode? just got pathfinder and dont want to lose it

[vague compass]

Rats! Rats! Rats!

[sharp cape]

nerf wizard, nerf ruins gold, add gold to goblin and crypts, nerf pdr, nerf crossbow, add more magic resistance and make it scale, fix dark reflect soul collector, fix halberd hitbox, nerf shortsword, change spider collision

[dusky lotus]

Change rogue starter weapon to rapier, to help just like you did warlock. Because early game rogue is aids.

[dusky lotus]

Wizard just needs a mana bar to go along with spell memorization. So you can't just blast 30 spells in a fight. Easy fix.

[sharp cape]

good idea

oh also nerf being naked, no armor should mean around -50% pdr

[sullen heart]

Just run ambush and weak point, you can kill any class coming out of stealth except barbarian

[lucid vortex]

CAN I HAVE A FUCKING PORTAL IN THE FUCKING TROLL ROOM SO I DOn"T GET CAMPED BY 4 FFUCKING ROGUES SITTING OUTSIDE OF BOSS

I FIND LEGENDARY ITEM

BUT CAN'T GET OUT OF TROLL ROOM, THIS BOSS IS A FUCKING PRISON
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/309762810085113857/1186521758329741362/image.png?ex=65938d7f&is=6581187f&hm=21382b23c996bbee834675a7050ff9ebabf4ef12aa2ca5c3c3d4dabfb965cf02&

[simple jolt]

Wish there was a vendor that had services for magic weapon users like Crystal swords or spellbooks.

[drowsy grotto]

Longsword makes you extremely slow, has shitty attacks, does very low damage in comparison to other two handed weapons and even one handed weapons, the parry is extremely inconsistant whilst being borderline unusable in fights against players who can just swing at their feet and finally the parry is just straight up inconsistant in every way possible. Please buff the long sword in some way, just a tiny one.

It's literally just a noob stomper which requires literal infinite skill which as well as being completely useless to competent [literally any class name here] but also doesn't work half the time

[stable dagger]

fighting barbs is so miserable theyre tanks and out dps everything and they have access to ranged their base health is so high that theres no point to spec anything but agility and can easily build to outrun a naked rouge

[livid mason]

Can you make the nightmare skeletons darker or least blue hue.

[proven valley]

the alchemist has swords/books/staffs the fortune teller has balls. You can craft a mana sphere... but they are missing the other stuff

[crystal shale]

Make a static in there sounds pretty good actually

[spice hinge]

What about a torch reskin that adds a pitchfork in the right hand?

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/515743/voice-filters-for-helmets-ie-siegmeyer-of-catarina -voice filter for inside helmets so we can RP as knights. . . (Like Siegmeyer of Catarina.!) +vote pls

[quiet igloo]

Please add the white or grey hand crossbow to woodsman thanks

[pale dust]

Combine stealth and creep perks

[pale dust]

Couldn’t you just add this to your own mic tho? 🙂

[jagged flicker]

yeah but. this is THE SUGGESTION area

[jolly crescent]

make floors actual floors, a warlock just killed me from a whole different level of the map cuz he heard me killing the ranger below him

[ancient ferry]

I think a spell for warlock called transfusion would be neat being able to transfer health it would scale with magic power so you could be basically cleric and summon a hydra

[woven jackal]

Give warlocks a curse that prevents blocking

[rustic spruce]

nerf wizard please

[dusky lotus]

Dear Dev's. Here is a recommendation for PvE balances. For instance, archers. You could make mob archers, have a chance to be interrupted if their arms are struck, and their aim interrupted if the head is struck. For instance, You shoot them in the face from 50ft, or throw a dagger in their face from 50ft, and they would then no longer aim for the head, and lets say have a 5-10 second window for reduced accuracy. This would balance it.

Same for things like the beserker. If you strike him in a weakpoint while he's attacking, lets say, you hit him in the stomach with a piercing weapon (Dagger/Rapier), then it interrupts his swings.

This would make people bring in tactical weapon choices.

Maybe things like skeletons, don't have 'weakpoints' but if they are hit by magic it slows them / reduces their damage because of interrupting their magic. Etc.

There are simply ways to make the game more complex with triggers that already exist in the game.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/515923/ways-to-add-complexity-and-balance-to-pve

[long tide]

MENA servers!

[lucid vortex]

EVEN IF iT"S NOT STATIC, EVEN IF HTERE WAS JUST A CHANCE FOR A PORTAL TO SPAWN IN THERE

[lucid vortex]

I disagree with some of your personal choices but overall I like the general idea.

[next pebble]

rapier and falchion need fucking buried

[fathom bolt]

correct and true, make other weapons worth a shit

[pale berry]

Add new types of arrows maybe? Bleed/poison/fire arrows, armor pen arrows...

[vernal owl]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/515958/new-module-in-raid-forgerefinery thoughts?

in game refinery to where miners can convert ore into ingots or powder to condense/save inventory space and potentially a reward 10% bonus or refund on ore for going to a potentially high traffic area?

[hasty bridge]

Isn’t converting ore into ingots and powder already a thing on to save space

[obtuse stone]

reminder that anyone defending MM just wants to solidify ranged meta

why even try to approach if the risk vs reward is heavily weighed against you

[vernal owl]

yes but what i'm suggesting is to make an ingame module to where players can do it mid run for a potential bonus at the risk of the area being camped

could make it have a 10% chance to get an extra ingot or have a chance to give back straight ore so it would have a reward for going to a potentially high traffic area

[dry saddle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/515889/wall-of-shame-discord-channel

[midnight field]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/515978/less-annoying-zombies

[echo dome]

would be nice to filter for class when shopping. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/515989/add-a-filter-for-class-in-trade

[drowsy grotto]

Make spots where quest items can spawn more commonly, E.g, ruins having more bones and moldy breads whilst crypts has more cloths. It'd make quests less tedious and fix the fact that this games direction in those quests are just 'if you find one, take it'.

[drowsy grotto]

Make wizard invis swap aggro instead of making the mobs wait around for you.

[small ibex]

Why pick Fighter anymore when you can just pick Barb and run people down? Second Wind doesn't do shit in fights now unless you have 150 hp, why take that when I can go Blood Exchange on barb and heal nearly twice the health with my melees on mobs? Sprint is still the fastest ability in the game, but you can get nearly the same speed plus 15 vigor and strength with Barbs Rage ability. I'm not saying to nerf Barb I'm just saying Fighter has fallen out of the meta for me and they really should buff second wind back to 50% to balance out the melee classes. Because Barb is literally just Fighter on easy mode with no real threats to look out for. I main Barb now because of how useless Fighter has become.

[drowsy grotto]

Range, that's why.

[livid mason]

increase light orb reveal thing, get less invis and rogue aggro

[buoyant wren]

rogues are landmines again, honestly getting sick of getting 3 taped at light speed by a rogue with shit blues and a divine short sword screaming "to infinity and beyond!!!" smashing keys while he eats a 4 course meal and downs half a 2 liter of mtn dew mid singing taylor swift

[stone fable]

anybody else feels like you should be able to save a preset at the merch? its like i use 6 pots 6 bandages nearly every round some arrows and a campfire. it kills me to always klick 200 times 2 buttons to get rdy for a round. Plz adjust a preset option at the merch ❤️ would appreciate a lot

[vital tundra]

can we get names for all the dogs? we already got otto but the others dont have names do theyy?

[real trellis]

MAKE ALE GREAT AGAIN! EITHER BUMP THE STRENGTH GAIN VALUE OR GIVE IT AN EQUIVALENT VIGOR GAIN!

[bleak grove]

PLEASE , CHANGE THE MISSION 'BEDTIME STORY'. IT'S FUCKING HARD TO KILL 15 WISPS. WHY ONLT 4 WISPS IN THIS LARGE MAP. IT'S FUKCING STRESS TO WAIT 3MINUTES AND RESTART. RESTART. RESTART. RETSRAT. AND RUN TO WISP SPAWN PLACE. BUT ALREADY DEAD. FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[main laurel]

15 wisps has to be one of the easier grinds related to quests lol, surely ur not complaining about that

[ashen ibex]

dont tell him that there is another wisp quest...

[dense rover]

i get it everyone in every lobby just rushes wisp

[eternal raptor]

Im complaining that gold gear makes purples useless

[topaz dirge]

Anyone else hyped for druid class? I think it would be awsome if there was some kind of werewolf ability involved with their kit

[storm blade]

did they change how many people go into maps yet

[timid forum]

no

[short crypt]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/510358/playtime-counter

Add Playtime onto the launcher or in-game pls

[sterile holly]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/516191/introduce-inraid-vendor

In raid vendor that sells BIS items, players will risk ingots/ gold/ and items for the crafting and trading theyll offer. Similar to Tarkovs concept.

[buoyant wren]

limit throwable crafting, no reason i should see a barb with an inventory of throwing axes lmfao who thought that was a good idea

[woven marsh]

For a game with a fairly heavy emphasis on stealth, it would sure be nice if every action taken didn't resonate through stone walls and sound like a toddler pretending to be Niel Peart with pots and pans.

[umbral elm]

What the ranger still gets an inventory of arrows?

[pale dust]

This is oddly specific lol

[willow root]

[teal tusk]

My 2 main suggestions right now are to iterate and expand on the quests. Make them really interesting like my example of killing the lich and taking his ring which you put on the Knight Statue in the Ruins and The ghost of the long dead knight fights you in his old armor etc.

The other thing that is DESPERATELY needed is more randomness. Like a Loot Goblin Diablo example. That is a rare spawn but runs around the map dropping coin from his huge treasure bag he has for an easy example. In general more rare spawns. Maybe a gold Wolf that has a chance to drop a piece of gold armor or 1000 gold etc.

[rancid pebble]

Did u ever complain that purple gear made blues worthless?

[eternal raptor]

No the difference is gold gear, particularly the 3 to all stat cloak, is timegated behind an item with a 5% drop rate and limited mobs. I don’t want to spend hours on end in the goblin caves anymore just so I can be on a level playing field with players that had better luck. Blue to purple is different as everyone can get purple gear, not everyone can get the gold without a good bit of rng and time invested. Great attempt doe

[small furnace]

Your wording in the initial comment was pretty bad, but yeah this is a good point. I would consider myself a pretty above-average player in terms of success but I won't ever be able to get a piece of gold gear because I can't be asked to put that level of grind into the game.

[rancid pebble]

Interesting complaint, idk what u mean great attempt doe, though. My point is that there is an inherent problem in the game where mid gear is not respected, and only the best is wanted. Thats why cobalt gear is never used, even before, and thats why ruby is never being used now. :) @eternal raptor

[hazy tulip]

when nerf magic rockets?

[eternal raptor]

I think mid gear is still fine against normal purples, but 3 to all is absurd. That one item is giving an extra 18 stats compared to a regular purple cloak. Classes like cleric that benefit from literally every stat get an insane amount of value from a gold cloak it’s pretty nuts

[rancid pebble]

Yea i think they only added it for cope since so many people enjoyed the absurdly op +3 all meta

[eternal raptor]

Idk I think gold gear is becoming a requirement for high roller and that is wack

[rancid pebble]

Yes. It is just about all thats sold sadly

I miss when greens were sold in trade chat. But a combination of changes to the game have made that extremely unlikely/ borderline impossible to see

[shell ledge]

Any known solutions to not being able to connect to the server when launching the game? Thought it was an issue with my VPN but I turned it off and it’s still not working. Even restarted me internet and PC. Internet works fine otherwise.

[fast hill]

Temporary and periodic "Welcome to Hell" events that allow people to spawn directly into Hell so they can get lots of practice with the monsters there.

[hardy vector]

gut wiz

[minor wigeon]

When a looted item is merged into a handled item, it makes the looted item handled, so for example, i have 60 Gingerbread cookies in my stash right now, but only 1 stack(10) is looted and able to be turned in. Either let the items keep their status (looted/handled) after being merged, or let handled items be able to be turned in. I think i have been traded a MAX of 20 cookies, so this has a big effect.

[dusk sky]

please turn off voip in raid.... all it does is result in teaming. Teaming is DISGUSTING in this game rn played this since the very first play test and i can say voip has deteriorated any chance of a 'normal' flowing raid. Ive had 3 guys just run at me and jump me for no reason. please fix this.

Voip is not even being used for fun battle banter... which is what it should be for. Instead groups of people decide to clear the lobby and mine goblin caves.. literally farming it for free.

[spice sigil]

love this update MORE LIKE IT.

However please bring loby voip back I miss it }:

[hazy mesa]

Remove collision on all bugs/flying creatures. There is 0 reason I should be levitating on a bed of spider or beetles

[faint onyx]

I wish that tailor worked....

[woven jackal]

Let healing shrines restore spells - it's a near full reset for any class that takes it except wizard and cleric. Taking a heal shrine then sitting for 60 seconds anyways feels bad

[wintry egret]

this guy is bringing up the important topics

[cunning gorge]

at this point im convinced my account has been shadowbanned from bread dropping - 3 days, not 1 moldy bread. Farming archers bosses and swordsmen. Grinding this quest (in teams as a solo nonetheless) has been the worst dark and darker experience I've ever had. It's a job at this point not a game. All while 2v1ing players in white gear who for some reason really want me dead. Honestly that's probably the best part of it all because it's hilarious but still - adjust your quests.

to note - I'm on board with quests being a grind - they should be. However, we're talking about a junk level item. On top of that, you make it 4x as hard for a solo player. Gotta consider adjustments

[merry bison]

i just want to buy it from the trade channel and be done with it

[woven jackal]

The design is that you should do these over 3-6 months, not grind them out in a day. They should know better, but I don't mind them being a bit long. Except wolf pelts.

[meager jasper]

The ring situation is clearly out of hand, the game needs some sort of place where rings reliably drop. Giving cloaks easier drops in certain places made the prices way more bearable, and they should do the same with rings specifically as well.

[dense ridge]

Wizards and their arcane missiles are cool and nice that they have good damage, but how about spell casting in melee range will be interrupted moment someone touches wizards hand; be it a block or a shield/weapon or a melee swing. When Cleric casts a spell he extends his hand, if it hits an obstacle like wall it interrupts the cast. Same thing should be with wizards channeling spells. Something as much as touches him, be it shield or skin of another player it should be instantly interrupting the channeling. Just a suggestion

Wizards jumping at melee ranges and just channeling missiles for insta kill is just beyound ridicilous.

[obtuse stone]

it's arcane mastery really

if they have to channel for a full second before unleashing the autoshotgun then at least there is a window of opportunity to punish

[glacial sphinx]

arcane mastery has been in the game for ages, its not an issue its just the damage is higher now. Besides that the same thing that always has been the case is still the case, which is that spellcasting speed scales really high with gear and makes missiles come out very quickly one after the other

[pale ruin]

That already happens with magic missile. Its just harder to do since the missiles constantly hitting the shield keep triggering the recovery animation and the shields hitbox disappears for a bit.

[proud sigil]

make campfires and surgical kits stackable

[frosty timber]

Why? What's the reasoning?

[proud sigil]

stackable on stash, so quest can be done better

[frosty timber]

That would be solved by being able to hand in items one by one. Managing your inventory is part of the game and those are powerful healing+recovery options. Should not be stackable.

[lethal mirage]

Delete Ranger

[dusky lotus]

No. Remake Rogue's because its either way too broken with full gear, or impossible to play with no gear.

And remake wizards, because its almost the same damn problem. Except a no gear wizard can kill everyone else 1v1 in the entire game.

[obtuse stone]

just because you can't turbo 3 shot people out of stealth with gray rondel doesn't make naked rogue weak lmao
rogue never has to take any fight it doesn't consent to and is objectively best at completely avoiding engagements how is that not enough for you

not to mention fastest in the game at looting and mining

[limber elbow]

Instead of just blocking the account with a warning for a few days, you should completely block that account exponentially. The first time you hack the 7-day lock, the second time is 49 days and continue to double, instead of just warning you to block the account. Chinese hacker bastards are right for 1-3 days, every 1-2 days when they relax, the Chinese bastards come back, wall hackers in the crypt map, hack damage in the solo map, every time you turn on the computer and play later One day at work, there's a list of names of Chinese hackers who use toxic voice chat and even live stream hacking to get views.

[obtuse stone]

give every class weapon master shit would be hilarious

[woven jackal]

Give fighters armor mastery, let me run up on someone with a robe and quarter staff and have him start sprinting

[hardy vector]

nerf barb and wiz when

[hardy vector]

"let me have fighters be able to have full magic res builds with longbow and a falchion and shield so he cant be 1v1ed by any class" (northern full tunic, barbuta helm)

[woven marsh]

For the love of God, reduce the sounds that players make. The idea that a rogue can’t sneak up behind a fully armored fighter, wearing a helmet btw, is absolutely idiotic.

[faint vigil]

they have, and it is now a problem people sneak up to quietly, how about hold shift while ur crouching? no one hears u

[obtuse stone]

Rogue players when they don't unreactable turbo 3 shot the guy specifically wearing the thickest armor imaginable to not be unreactable turbo 3 shot

[faint vigil]

lmfaoo FR, sound plays a massive part in a game like this, they complain too much smh

[abstract crypt]

Skuna the Barbarian, you are an idiot xD

[pine comet]

Rogues saying their class is so weak when they can't 1v3 anymore

[tawdry whale]

haven't touched the gmae in months and people still complaining about rogue

[neon tendon]

rogue is fine right now. ya 1v1 as rogue you lose sometimes cause a rogue shouldn’t win vs pdr fighter etc. gotta learn to run and loot and 3rd party. the ONLY thing i wish rogue has was outrunning barbs and slayer fighters. i feel rogue should be faster in that case. - play every class but bard and main rogue

[granite plinth]

Lol its crazy watching all green warlock 1 tap a purple gear front lines

[hardy vector]

its crazy watching any class in the game 1/2 tap warlocks

fighter, ranger, cleric, barb, rogue, bard, wizard can all 1-2 tap a warlock

fighter any weapon
ranger any bow
cleric any weapon
barb any weapon
rogue out of stealth
bard any weapon
wizard any spell (maybe 3 zaps)

[granite plinth]

Not doing the melee build I gusse i just watch warlock clean 8 ppl mostly front line lol. Go Melee build hit them with special turn blue run away if you don't 1 tap till you get wep special back an its over 1 to 2 all front lines

[graceful frost]

The class is still bull shit. Needs a rework

[small furnace]

Quest chapter system has been added. Additional chapters with new quests will be available in the future. God no please, please make quests account wide before doing something like this. I already feel like I can only play one character with the time I have.

[silver hazel]

And finally... balance shall be (hopefully) restored in the meta

Praise be to Ironmace

[somber wind]

"The options for all Copper, Cobalt, and Rubysilver items have been adjusted and the detrimental options have now been removed." Revert this

[small furnace]

For copper and cobalt? Nobody was using them... I mean tbh people still probably won't use copper given greens can only be used in HR atm. Is it the rubysilver you're worried about?

[austere nacelle]

Why in the hell did rangers get extra longbow damage and decreased cooldown time for all skills?? Do you know how hard it is to play against ranger as a cleric? They can kite me without even trying so i can never catch them so they just run, shoot, repeat. And now they get buffed?? AGAIN??? why??

[somber wind]

So I was using Copper, you don't wear the full thing; you only wear 1 piece of gear. Copperlight Sanctum Plate Armor was VERY good for example. +10% Move Speed, 45 Magic Resist while being plate armor.

[small furnace]

Copperlight Sanctum Plate Armor gives 10% movespeed???

[somber wind]

It DID, Let's see how it changes

[small furnace]

I don't know how I didn't notice then, I read the other pieces of copperlight armor and they were all like -1% action +1% movespeed or something. I guess I just assumed the armor would be the same?

[somber wind]

Yeah each piece was different on alot of pieces of craftable gear

I think all they needed to do to make all the gear worth it was exaggerate the upsides more and the downsides

@small furnace For Cobalt it's BiS for Armor Pen to wear Chest, Legs and Boots since you cannot roll Armor Pen on those but Cobalt has it. This allows you to go 4.5% over the maximum amount of Armor Pen normally achievable.

[small furnace]

Idk why they do that. They should really just make it so the armor is consistent, whether that's for the better or for worse. Don't want people minmaxing the set to some crazy degree

[somber wind]

I kind of like it since it allows gear to actually be interesting. Downsides can be used to balance things like this, so the removal of downsides just lends to power creep which scares me from a balance perspective. That said Cobalt being Rare only can be a downside in of itself, but for things like Rubysilver and anything above that's where we'll start seeing issues with game balance.

[exotic sinew]

for easier gameplay

[small furnace]

Fixed an issue where the Halberd had the same damage ratio across all parts. Oh I just realized they nerfed the only good part of the halberd and called it a 'fix'? That's funny.

[covert halo]

I really hate to see spectating other player's go away. One thing that really sets this game apart for me is being able to see what my killers had as far as gear and perks so i can learn and reflect. I understand it is to stop people from teaming and calling peoples locations, so maybe after you die you can get a snapshot of their character sheet or something. I think the character sheet with their health displayed at time of your death would be awesome

[small furnace]

I get why it exists because queue snipers, but it does really suck that I now have no way to know if I was just playing terribly or if I was incredibly outmatched. Or even 'how low were they'

[stable bough]

Support please:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/516580/allow-players-to-party-up-after-the-game-has-started

[graceful frost]

I mean every single other 2 handed weapon has a weakspot. why would halberd not?

However this is the final thing puting 2 handed weapons in the grave

[jovial swan]

I am genuinely baffled at this abysmal balance decision for Rangers.

[jade jewel]

PLEASE add repair and payment entering high roller. i think it makes the game economy much slower, rather than after a month everybody runing with epic gear. thanks

[small furnace]

Halberd isn't meta, it's not a good weapon. The only good thing about it was that it didn't have a sourspot.

Sure, if it's not intended it's a good fix, but you just killed the only reason anyone would ever choose to run a non-meta. Called it a 'fix' and call it a day.

It's like imagine if they released a patch that said: "Fixed an issue where survival bow had faster action speed than recurve bow." Okay, if it was an issue then cool, but again you just nerfed the only reason someone would ever run a somewhat niche weapon without any compensation.

[graceful frost]

when did I say it wasn't meta. I litterally said that this puts 2 handed weapons in the grave, as in they were already not great even halberd.

I mean its obviously not intented that it doesn't have a sour spot on the handle, evrey single other 2 handed weapon does

[somber wind]

The reason they did it makes sense BUT a way they can solve this is add an after death report that shows the person who killed you's inventory and HP at the time of your death as well as a damage report of all the damage you took until you died.

[small furnace]

My intent was not to say that you were saying it's meta, my intent was to make it clear that this change without any compensation is just not a good change. If they wanted to fix it, they should've increased the damage or update the animations IN ADDITION to adding the sourspots.

[graceful frost]

they need to do a whole rework kinda to 2 handers. or at least find some way to make them useful. Shield is jsut so much better in every scenario

Imo they should start with removing the dr from a shield, shield should be purely for blocking and pvp not for passive dr

[somber wind]

Honestly they just need to make the halberd serve the purpose of a halberd. Give it Armor Penetration. It was ment for footmen to contend with Knights or any armored combatant.

[jovial swan]

I'm deeply saddened that the exploit with Drain Life + Hydra isn't being touched upon.

[small furnace]

They should add a couple twohander perks to fighters similar to how barb has one. Cause yes, the majority of them are garbage.

The halberd previously filled the small niche of 'most consistent twohanded weapon' but that niche is just gone now. It's just a worse spear now, and the spear itself is already a terrible weapon.

[graceful frost]

yeah thats true. I do think though even then unless they are very good it will still get completely outclassed.

Hopefully they think of something to diversify it

[somber wind]

• Bardiche: A weapon ment for hooking enemies to pull them down or closer.
• Halberd: A weapon ment for fighting Armored foes.

What they need to do is make them good in their use cases. Bardiche could have it's hit slow be much higher than most weapons and the Halberd to have Armor Penetration. Simple as.

They're bad because they aren't useful in the way they're built for so instead of trading slow and unwieldy for those upsides they just get nothing.

They gave longswords their purpose, give Bardiche and Halberds theirs.

Zweihander could also be give a mix up where you grab the blade on the blunt spot like you're ment to do IRL which allows it to come out SIGNIFICANTLY faster than normally expected. Could be done by mixing a Left click and a Right click at certain spots of the combos.

[shadow rover]

Could be cool to see a new wizard perk: Replenish. every mob killed gives 1 tick of spell for every spell, and with every player killed gives a few ticks for every spells.

[small furnace]

That isn't true for the bardiche though. Most bardiches do not have a hook that is capable of pulling an enemy, are you sure you are not thinking of a bill hook polearm?

[agile ingot]

Wrap all of rogues meme perks into one, stealth should be base kit especially if we only have 20 seconds in hide and should have 15 steps.

[somber wind]

Most bardiche have an bumped in back that you flip around to use. This is true even in dark and darker; it's ment for grabbing armor. It goes under the arm or leg or if you're going overhead the lip of the armor between the helmet and chest piece.

[small furnace]

Are you absolutely certain about this? It might be true for some variant of the Bardiche but as a total the Bardiche was meant as a chopping weapon. I'd be curious to see where you got this information about it being a hooking weapon as I'm kind of a medieval weapon nerd myself as well.

[somber wind]

Oh no for sure it's a chopping weapon, I don't remember where I read it but I have a bunch of books on medieval warfare so the info is likely from one of those.

[small furnace]

I could believe it for sure, if we wanted a specific hook weapon that has some kind of backward pull though I'd love to see a bill hook in the game, or even just giving the halberd a secondary (since this weapon currently serves no purpose)

Though I think that kind of tech even for a 2hander might be a bit too strong given how strong movement and movement speed are in this game.

[somber wind]

A man catcher would be interesting

[small furnace]

THERE IS NO WAY a man-catcher would work in this game ahahaha but I do like your thinking

[somber wind]

LUL I know but it'd be damn funny

I'd like to see Katars personally, that and Flails

[forest ice]

can someone explain to me why there hasn't been an update where you can't go in with more than 1 of the same class??? triple rogue is busted

[small furnace]

No anti-fun updates pls.

[forest ice]

it ruins the whole point of the game and will lead to a toxic playstyle where there's no variety of classes being played OR the game will die since people aren't going to want to stoop to that low level of gameplay

[small furnace]

There already is no variety in crypts. It's always Cleric, Wizard, Fighter/Bard.

You're suggesting people are even more pushed toward that meta comp. Anti-fun update, removing some fun people can have and pushing more people toward the meta.

[forest ice]

that's how the game is meant to be played lol - you don't see 3 rogues on the loading screen for a reason

[small furnace]

So your suggestion isn't a balance suggestion. It's a "I don't want to see multiple classes on the same team" suggestion. Which again, go away with your anti-fun sentiment.

[forest ice]

you do realize that the meta isn't just cleric, wizard, fighter/bard? there's lock, rogue, wiz which is insanely busted and the comp i like to run

[small furnace]

I don't really care? My point is that the dominant team comps are not 2/3 of any class. This is not a valid balance suggestion as it is not ridiculous unbalanced to bring 2/3 of a single class.

[forest ice]

3 rogues is definitely unbalanced. there's no counter to it if the rogues have brain cells which high rank rogues typically do

[small furnace]

Okay well now you're just talking out your ass, no point continuing this conversation.

[forest ice]

imagine 3 wizards with intense focus chain lightning. i don't think you understand how unhealthy 3 of a single class is on a team

[haughty harbor]

nerf rogues best weapon. buff rangers best weapon. WOW ironmace thx for the bad decisions ❤️

[stable bough]

hi, please support:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/516580/allow-players-to-party-up-after-the-game-has-started

[granite plinth]

grow up

[exotic sand]

hope th enew matchmaking lets me still do my solo crypts grind

[granite plinth]

More music variety, or free play mode for bard

[somber wind]

I do hope for a complete rebalancing of Ranger tbh, when they're good/decent they're a problem and when they're anything else they're completely terrible. I believe there's a fundemental problem with their design as of right now.

[light agate]

There should be a Bard Perk that allows for something like the Longsword to be used but at the cost of some of their action speed. A primary subclass of Bard is the College of Swords!

[runic musk]

why isnt there tiered treasured hoards depending on bosses i feel like just removeing them like they have done before having like a bone pile or pile of corpses with different loot rarity than the treasure hoard but the same mechanic

[somber wind]

^

[small patio]

Weaponsmith should always have spears for sale

[jovial tinsel]

Why is hide and stealth a seperate thing? why cant Hide also have the stealth perk built in? It lowers variety options

[novel jewel]

give rogues hand crossbow back without perk, mash stealth and creep into one perk, and make thrust and dagger mastery one perk, too many perks not enough slots

[haughty harbor]

why is tumble even in the game?

[jovial tinsel]

tumble,. kek what a worthless filler perk. It should have no start up animation to even be viable

[somber wind]

Tumble could easily be made good by adding block frames to the middle of it (not i-frames, just full on block frames as if you were holding a shield up).

[wise oriole]

Suggest you fire whatever admin moderates the memes channel considering I can receive a warning for complaining about a class, absolute wet wipe

[flint fractal]

Could the Woodman sell white handcrossbows? I want to play with them as rogue in normal lobbies, but they only sell greens and up

[desert geyser]

perk: trap expert > ability to recover a set trap when no one falls into it .

[surreal thistle]

need to introduce beta testing so u dont keep pushing updates like this

[warm carbon]

aight I understand the need to nerf of the magic missile but now that it does little to no damage to pve is ridiculous bring it up to a decent standard is my suggestion lol

[idle crater]

dont VPNs negate ping locks?

[jovial swan]

Hey so uh, War Hammer should be a Barbarian weapon, too. But I guess they can't have nice things.

[drowsy grotto]

If you talk like that in person, please promptly warn people before talking to them.

[small patio]

This map rotation is a great idea, but poorly executed. It should be that all maps are as they were, but one map on rotation allows for solo, duo, or trio lobby selection.

[steep cape]

map rotation is kinda meh bruh, making quests already harder to do and timegated for trio teams to do a certain map for those quests, having to sit in lobby for 30 minutes just for crypts to come around is horrible. Should have made it an option like in fortnite to queue for solo/duo/trio in each map. Also this might be just a me thing but im in my right region but im rubberbanding harder than before

[strong hare]

i think portal scaling may need to be implemented onto ruins and goblin caves for a trios lobby

[half cobalt]

People in Florida can't select US East? We're not East, or West... and there is no option for US South... what do we do?

[austere nacelle]

why they hell did they make it to where me and my team cant play crypts whenever we want? who asked for map rotation? why are they doing this? and why did ranger get ANOTHER buff??? thats 4 buffs in a row and zero nerfs

[dreamy thorn]

Remove map Rotation

[timid palm]

Highroller crypts takes away 200 ap not 160 like it says

[hushed cedar]

make content stop wiping and bs balances

[midnight flint]

make rotation of map for normals only

[limber elbow]

Every patch, they buff the damn ranger class even though it's too buggy, every patch they buff it once, and Rogue buffs it one more time every patch. If you want, delete both of these classes from the game. , please stop buffing ranger neff rogue after every patch, no matter how high damage a rogue has, it only takes 1-2 hits to die, rangers are almost impossible to chase but still continue to buff ranger and neff rogue , Kriss dagger fine but no one use and still got neff animation PUT YOUR BRAIN IN BEFORE THE NEFF IRONMACE

Continue to buff the ranger like your own child, and Rgoue is no different from a stepchild, even though very few people use dagger, he still buffs, short swords are debuffed, increasing the slowness of movement by 15% when attacking, a total of 25% like using heavy weapons. , and the maps change constantly while I only want to play 1 map and change when I get bored, now the game feels like crap.

[haughty harbor]

reduce boss kills required if you keep map rotation at least

[wicked spindle]

cause that would be wack

[warm pond]

Love how crypt is solo from time to time. The game feels much better in that pace, and having as much loot as there is. Great update! Wishing for the ability to go solo in crypt through selection in the future. Don't wanna play Goblin Caves as it just feels like a battle royale, and little to no loot

[small patio]

Too many attempts at new ideas pushed in one patch. Unfortunate its ruining being even able to play at all for some people.

[small patio]

yeah that's not a good idea, people wanna play what they like

[jovial swan]

Dark and Darker if it was actually balanced properly:
-Rogue nerfs
-Ranger nerfs
-Barbarian buffs
-Second Wind reworked
-Warlock's Drain Life + Hydra is now considered an exploit, and removed
-Longbows nerfed
-Daggers reverted (except Castillon)
-Stiletto Dagger removed from Rogue, given to Warlock

[late dome]

💀

[unique seal]

The latency pinglock just doesnt work, I live in New Zealand and cant connect to Sydney.

[jovial swan]

Y'know what, here's a good suggestion. Fire whoever is approving of any Rogue or Ranger buffs.

They don't need to be working at IM.

[austere nacelle]

you're not realizing that it locks people out from being able to play crypts with their friends cause they have to wait for a stupid rotation timer. so no, not a great update

[austere nacelle]

i have a friend who lives in texas and cant play US East so we feel your pain. i agree with the ping locking but i feel like its a bit too strict in its current state

[coarse thistle]

play a different map for once with your friends

[austere nacelle]

i do play different maps, dont assume you know everything about people you never met on the internet lmao. im trying to help my friends get lich and ghost king and yet we cant cause of this stupid rotation locking us out

[wicked spindle]

bring back the player count and timer in pregame lobbies. I need to know how long i got before i have to sprint back across my apartment

[austere nacelle]

they removed it for a good reason, im sure it will come back in the future hopefully. but just know it was for a good reason

[wicked spindle]

that does make me feel better that there was a reason. Ill just have to hold the line and not afk in lobbies anymore lol

[coarse thistle]

ya and im not but some people want to go with there friends on dif maps too

[austere nacelle]

well some people dont want to be forced to NOT play the map they want. if they need lich and ghost king, why should we be forced to ONLY be able to play trio GC's or ruins until the "rotation timer" goes back around to crypts. so dumb

[faint bridge]

Forced map rotation is a terrible idea. I like the idea of playing trios in Goblin Caves etc, but dislike the idea that I am unable to play against other solos (in Goblin Caves) whenever I feel like it - especially when you're trying to work on certain quests.

[midnight flint]

Make map rotation for normals only ,teh game is unplayable for teams now!

[livid mason]

buff arcane shield and reactive shield, its just down right bad for what it is due to the changes in unable to stack magical protection

[austere nacelle]

im open to the idea of making the maps playable for all party sizes, but locked rotation, AND the maps as they stand now make it terrible. trios in goblin caves with the way the maps are for goblin caves are right now just isnt good. they would need different goblin maps specifically for trios separate from the solo maps and then vice verca for crypts solo's

[wicked spindle]

Make mimic tooth stack for two atleast if not 3 please

[unique seal]

Yeah I don't like the idea of having rotating queue sizes for maps, its gonna suck wanting to boss clear with friends and find out we have to wait ~an hour just to play it maybe once or twice before having to wait again.
Would rather prefer it to be an optional queue thing but keep the mainstay nodes

[austere nacelle]

exactly. like right now im trying to help my friends with ghost king and lich, and we can kill him for sure but we either get warlord, or only get 1 or 2 raids before we have to wait forever to be able to play it again. its so dumb

[ornate ferry]

The new after game report is SOOOOO hype i want to cry, but pretty pretty plz make it show how much damage i did to the other player/players. this is the main thing i want to see when i die to someone; was i close?

[meager jasper]

While spectating isnt too big an issue for me, being able to see what killed me is super important. I want to know if I played badly or I just got stepped on by someone in amazing gear. Let me see what they were wearing after I die at least.

[meager jasper]

This is an issue with quests and the value of certain bosses, not with rotating maps. Those are the root issue that needs to be fixed imo.

[unique seal]

It is also an issue of liking a map and liking playing with 2 friends at the same time

[meager jasper]

Not really, that's a "deal with it" issue. The game doesn't owe you the same map, that's a matter of preference, and I want access to all three maps.

[livid idol]

1 suggestion : paladin

[unique seal]

Queue solo and "deal with it" like everyone else prior :)

[limber elbow]

After report a dog chinese hacker and new report system make me stuck can't quit can't watch can't do anything WTF

[meager jasper]

Yes, pressing report seems to freeze the game's ui.

[livid idol]

Let Solo for Goblin Caves, Duo for Ruins and Trio for Crypts stay and make a separate rotation for solo duo trio for these maps, everything else is bad

[tiny wigeon]

So, you want to spread this player pool in 5 regions and 18 different map modes, you aren’t very sharp are you?
Can you try imagine the problems that would make? Or do you need help?

[obtuse stone]

be nice children

[buoyant glacier]

Please experiment with a drastically increased TTK. It would be nice to be given more time for skill and mechanics to matter. As it stands now, whoever strikes first generally wins and getting caught even slightly damaged is a death sentence in most cases. The short TTK we have now rewards aggression more than it does skill.

[rose orbit]

Make the Solo, Duo, Trio an option Drop Down Menu for Each map and not time lock people out of maps. This makes me want to play even less as I only play Solo most the time. Now I have to wait till the Solo option comes around. This is not a good way of doing this...

[south pagoda]

bring red portals to rotation if not then remove it because its forcing players to play othermaps they dont want to and i play trios everytime and it just sucks having to wait an hour everytime to rotate back to crypts lmao, worst hotfix ever

[rose orbit]

I agree with this, we have spells and options to do counterplay but we lack the health points for time to kill. It is way too quick sometimes to even do a counterplay. Increase TTK and let us have some tactics to fightback or something and not just insta dead from 1 hit Barb or Rogue Burst killing... Add Slow Effects to Protection Potions and the like to help increase TTK, as one example. So while they are stunned you can regroup and gather yourself for the next attack...

[polar temple]

why cant you have seperate gamemodes instead of forcing everyone to play trios? Maybe that way you wont have this much negative reviews? Went from good game to wtf did i pay for?

[weak zenith]

dont click trios? look at the map dood, theres trio, duo, and solo now

[empty kindle]

Worst takes I've ever seen

[vernal yarrow]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/516699/stop-automaticly-changing-map-i-set-it-to

[empty kindle]

^ +1 what that guy said

[jovial tinsel]

CHANGES FOR ROUGE PLS

1. Hand Crossbows: Revert to original, baseline.
   2. New Perk for Medium Crossbow: Equip medium crossbows with a -3 damage penalty.
   3. Merge Skills: Combine ‘Hide’ and ‘Stealth’ into a single skill.
   4. Team Pickpocketing: Enable pickpocketing on teammates.
   5. New Rogue Weapon: Introduce a two-handed rogue weapon with a -40 movement penalty.
   6. Creep Mechanic: Increase crouched movement speed based on shoe type; lighter or no shoes grant more speed (+1/2/3/4).
   7. Visual Poison & Rupture Effects: Add visual indicators for enemies suffering from poison and rupture.
   8. Remove Dagger Penalties: Eliminate movement penalties on daggers.
   9. Rogue’s Katana: Add a katana for rogues. It’s like a long sword but with a parry feature, suitable for dexterity builds. Can attack directly from sheath and deals extra damage to players without armor.

And finally delete tumble

[obtuse stone]

bro said buff rogue 💀

[jovial tinsel]

Change rouge. Class is dull af and these are mostly QOL the rest is MY FAN FICTION

[weak zenith]

dont touch my tumble >=[

[limber elbow]

Tracking other players after exiting or being killed by a certain team is extremely necessary. The problem is very simple. If a team of 3 has 1 person killed, they will only track 2 people from their team instead. Because that whole map is a basic problem, now the Devs have completely abandoned the post-match tracking mode, 80% of which is to help the Chinese hackers because most of the time when monitoring, they discover quite a lot of Chinese using hacking, or simply studying. Ask for experience, solo players who don't play in teams are still not allowed to monitor after the match to learn or check whether the person who just defeated them is a hacker or not, just like when there was gearscore mode.

[loud wyvern]

Nice, 3 games in Goblin Caves trio, 2 teams together met, not able to report because camera stucked and menu doesn't work

[limber elbow]

Devs protect chinese player so if you report you get stuck , can't check anything in the game just like i say

[livid idol]

Not 18 different map modes lol as i said let the "old" maps with team as it was before so 3 map modes with 1 on rotation on every map so 2 variants on every map

[wintry egret]

Ban china from playing this game, i have been teamed on in solos all day by obviously chinese RMT'ers ban em all

[drowsy grotto]

Make cutthroat effect spells for 2 seconds and skills for 4 seconds. It makes rogues impossible to fight back against.

[glacial furnace]

add a 3 person portal as a last one on 3 people goblin caves

[proud sigil]

Bro u need to search for the map that is solo. It can be one of the all maps.

[warm pond]

Buddy I don’t think you read the entirety of it. I asked for the ability to select solo, duo, trios for crypts or at least have a solo option. You are probably trolling people huh

[limber elbow]

This trash map rotation help those Dog China hacker farm and new report system help those Dog china again avoid report and watch them when you die , got kill by a dog chinese Basic rogue 80hp but i deal 94 damage and full gear still lose to a rogue 80HP no gear but how the Fuck damage caculator say i deal to that dog 94HP and he still alive ????

As soon as the game stabilized, everything was relaxing, then some garbage updated, every day we saw 2 red Chinese players banned for hacking, but it still got better after the update. like this, I almost don't want to play, every time I play a game it takes 15-30 minutes, I can only play 1-2 games then change, the solo map is full of Chinese hackers, every time I report it I freeze and do nothing but alt+f4 , can't follow hackers, can't follow pro players to learn from experience

[verbal hound]

If i wanna play crypts with my trio HR AP , i have to wait for the full rotation. Rotation should be changed to better apply to everyone, or it should stay the way it was.

[wet thicket]

IM SO HAPPY I CAN ONLY PLAY THE GAME 1/3 OF THE TIME

[jovial swan]

IMHO, Poisoned Weapon should be a Skill, not a Perk. Makes more sense considering a similar idea is a Skill.

[wise walrus]

please keep the shield the way it is.

[pallid vector]

lmao this map rotation is so bad tf, gl to trios being able to play one game together before waiting xd

[winter dragon]

Well done with the map rotation, It allows more variety for the gameplay and is less repetitive than the previous system. I believe it makes sense that its a rotation depending on the lore of the game each dungeon is found by stumbling upon them and clearing them. It does make sense that there is different dungeons and different obstacles to overcome as a team or as a solo player! :D

[jovial tinsel]

as long as they make it better sure

[solid dust]

I personally really dislike the new map rotation instead I think it would be better to allow every map to be play with different match making for solos, duo, trios this would be the best of both world so you aren't at a disadvantage

[glacial sphinx]

would be too similar to rupture anyway

[jovial swan]

The end swarm mechanic is so horrible.

It leads to so many undeserved deaths.

They could be making it like ANY other BR game, but no, DaD has to be "special" and make it instant kill.

[pallid vector]

deserved in the fact u didnt manage the zone correctly, no?

[drowsy grotto]

Fix the collision of bars, they'll literally let skeleton wizard fireballs go through. How the fuck am I supposed to know that a projectile 5X LARGER then the spot it can go through, can go through.

[wet thicket]

IM SO HAPPY I CAN ONLY PLAY THE GAME 1/3 OF THE TIME

[turbid elbow]

I am trying to understand what logic is behind crypts SOLO. Are you expected to solo the bosses or what? 😄

[dry glacier]

Try to team up with some randoms? Be social?

What they really need to do is implement a bears and usec system so it actually encourages people to talk and help each other instead of murder fest 24/7

[pure summit]

The spectate should allow you to spectate your killers for 10-15 seconds after death, so you can check their health, build etc.

[jovial swan]

Completely and utterly fair that Rogues can exploit invisibility potions despite all perks CLEARLY stating that they must use HIDE to activate them. Good job.

Rogue so needs a hard nerf in this game. Or a rework.

[winter dragon]

😎 Yes

[weak zenith]

That is 18 seperate queues my dood, we dont got the numbers for that unless servers also got merged/removed

[jovial swan]

So I'm guessing this is a huge L of a patch?

[weak zenith]

Ive personally been loving it. By the sounds of it some stability issues came with it which is rough but theyl fix em soon enough but only complaints i really have is that longbow didnt need buffed imo and gob cave expansion didnt come with it so its really small for groups

[obtuse stone]

ROUND SHIELD SHOULD HAVE MAGIC RESIST
WHY IS IT OBJECTIVELY THE WORST SHIELD

[jovial swan]

Because you suck at using it.

[obtuse stone]

brother who on earth are you you literally joined the discord today

please tell me one (1) reason to use it over the other shields
or don't, and prove me right

[silk monolith]

i mean it’s the middle ground between heater and buckler no? less coverage than heater, better movespeed, more coverage than buckler, worse movespeed— or wait is heater and round same movespeed

yeah heater has -15 with a 35% guard movespeed debuff, round has -12 with a 25% guard movespeed debuff, so that’s a fine reason yeah?

[jovial swan]

I've been here for longer. I just leave and rejoin.

I'll tell you the reason later, in a match.

[small furnace]

I'd recommend you block this dude, I did a long time ago and don't regret it.

[small patio]

Getting stuck on enemies like spiders is beyond frustrating. Please fix.

[wise cargo]

you guys crashing a lot?

[split trench]

Still wish greens were allowed in low-rollers. Not powerful enough to be game-changing and they're useless otherwise (only good as sell items)

[trail lintel]

Wish you were able to swap/buy the other gender for human- i see your abel to choose what gender you want but wish you could buy the other gender of human if you chose the male version of something

not much an issue since i can just choose the gender right next wipe buuuuuuut 🤷‍♂️

[jovial swan]

Vs Buckler: It's a bigger version of it.
Vs Kite Shield: More vertical than the Kite Shield allowing for better upwards blocking of enemy attacks.
Another reason: It's a fat shield.

[restive axle]

make map rotation like at least an hour or 2 , 30 minutes feels too short

[agile ingot]

Lol damn people still complaining that rogue needs more nerfs. 🤦‍♂️

[weary creek]

Making Crypts into a solo map without changing mob spawns or anything just screams "We didn't play-test this or think it out thoroughly" - HR specifically

[willow root]

It's actually quite easy

Slow and careful

[agile ingot]

This. At least there is more space compared to goblin caves. Where you can easily get backed into corners

[glacial sphinx]

HR crypts is completely fine for soloing, and its very rewarding

[agile ingot]

But ya if you're into highroller crypts as a basekit rogue or something your gonna have a rough time

[desert beacon]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

[graceful frost]

ever heard of rupture lmao. poison is too bad to be a skill

[somber wind]

Nah it's based, love it

[somber wind]

It's so people don't get stuck on something they hate. Ik right now if I'm not doing the Crypts bosses I'm waiting for it to cycle to either Ruins or Goblin Caves for Trios.

[granite plinth]

map rotation slaps harder than what your dad should of hit you with

[ornate ferry]

Map rotation is pretty fun, please add revive tables to gob caves tho pretty pretty plz

[jovial swan]

Poison is way better than Rupture in every way.

[graceful frost]

Huh

[somber wind]

The shield block bug should be made into a feature and not a bug, it only makes sense

[somber wind]

This

[graceful frost]

What

Shields are already good enough lmao.

[desert beacon]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

[daring trail]

More portals on goblin caves pls- idk how youre gonna put all these 3 man teams in there but still only 7 portal

[edgy mason]

I think they nerfed wizazd a lil too hard, with new magic dmg curve table, many new magic resist armors, magic resist pots and the general nerfs now they are just worse than rangers

[graceful frost]

Your supposed to kill the other team? Thats a better ratio of portals to players compared to almost all the other maps

[somber wind]

Damn, this dude spammin

[daring trail]

not even close to true- we killed 2 full teams and the only portal left was the static

crypts has atleast 9 escape portals, with like 4 static portals, and like 12 hell portals. not even close to the same bud

[daring trail]

and of the 12 hell portals there is then 7 escape portals in hell lol.

this is just something that was overlooked by IM

[orchid cypress]

Forcing the rotation is making it impossible to rank up.

[graceful frost]

I mean there is only 9 ppl 3 teams so if you killed 2 all the portals should be too yourself

[daring trail]

its more than 9 ppl lol

[graceful frost]

It isnt.

[daring trail]

simple math proves that wrong lol, but ok bud

[graceful frost]

I mean show me a game where you have seen more than 3 3 man teams

[daring trail]

didnt record unfortunately, but there was more than 6 other people than my team in pre lobby

[graceful frost]

Only thing i can think is there is a bug where say you have 8/9 pll in a lobby, a full team can still join putting you to 11/9

[daring trail]

seeing as how it doesnt show you the number of ppl in the lobby anymore... sure

[small furnace]

I do find it funny how they sneakily changed GC solo map to have 10 people as well.

I love undocumented changes!

[ocean silo]

Can we allow more classes to wear plate? Like why can warlock only wear a select few plate items such as the Cobalt Templar but not the regular Templar armor?
Or how come the Northern tunic is only accessible to Barbarian and not like.. bards, rangers, ect..

[desert beacon]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

[graceful frost]

Wait wtf

[small furnace]

They did a lot of undocumented changes this patch they tried to slip past us without anybody noticing.

[graceful frost]

I love how it doesnt show player count for any of the modes

[delicate garnet]

Major suggestion: fix the asspull that is map rotation. Rotation is great as an idea, but implementation is BAD. adding a separatr rotating queue wouldve been a lot better as this just locks people from the maps they are used to and want to play in a certain setup.

[flint fractal]

I would love it if map rotation was quicker, say 3 minutes, so if I were to want to play a map I wouldn't have to wait so long.

Or, even, they could try out simply making it so you can cue onto any map with any queue whenever you like:
Main issue may be too few players playing on a specific queue, but it may be worth testing out

[small furnace]

It's really cool that I worked so hard to unlock the weaponsmith final crafting tier only to find out the price of divine weapon crafting was tripled this patch (not documented), gotta love it.

[graceful frost]

That could be interesting

[flint fractal]

The 3 minute queues, or having (essentially) 9 queues, one for each map and team?

[graceful frost]

Yeah i would want a queue for each mode and player count

[flint fractal]

Ah, yeah~
I'd say it's worth a try, personally!

[wispy shadow]

they should just have you queue for solos, duos, or trios for either normal or hr and just put you in a random map. stops people from farming the same map over and over again.

[buoyant bane]

guys may I ask you about sth? I have a problem to find my friend in game. We are both in lobby, in the same server and we were trying to find each other by character name/blacksmith ID and nothing... please help :/

[small furnace]

Your friend needs to check "My Invitations" under player list for your friend request.

[junior hedge]

If the map rotation stays, then high roller rank bucket should be determined by the team size you enter the game with. In other words, if you enter as a solo on a solo/duo/trio map, then your AP should go towards solo

[graceful frost]

Have you not looked at the leaderboard

[small furnace]

Not what he's saying. He's saying you should be ranked as a solo if you enter trio queue as a solo still. I super disagree with this, you should be ranked as a duo/trio if you enter those queues. They are harder to succeed at as a solo and thus should be ranked separately.

[graceful frost]

Oh my bad, but yeah i disagree with that

[desert beacon]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

[somber wind]

🇧 🇦 🇳 🇸 🇪 🇰 🇰 🇪 🇷 🇫 🇴 🇷 🇸 🇵 🇦 🇲 (and do it before they fill this channel with the same message)

[wispy shadow]

^^

[granite plinth]

it wouldve been completely fine if they didnt add goblin caves to it ngl ( just ruins and crypts switch back and forth duos trios

[fair pawn]

They should add AP to gear and stuff not just sellables

[livid mason]

Change reactive shield to give +10 to arcane shield, as of right now reactive shield is a dead perk because of the rule of magic protection pot will be overriden essentialy making arcane shield + reactive shield completely useless.

Also making melee wizard shat

[twilit mango]

i need help guys. my game resolution is set to like 2400x1440 and it is totally crashing my game. i am playing on a 1080p monitor and for some reason after the update its set to 2400x1440. i cant change it from in the game because i have a black screen. i have already uninstalled and reinstalled and its still the same problem. is there any way to force the game to default settings without launching it?

[shadow plinth]

I wonder if you could edit a file in the games directory to pick your resolution on startup

Should be a setting or configuration file somewhere you can edit

[twilit mango]

ive been looking around but havent found anything that seems to be the spot

[delicate garnet]

This.

[crisp ether]

Make it so you can spectate for one minute only

[delicate garnet]

Spectate in solo: yes, spectate in duo/trio: naw

[hardy vector]

rangers should require enough arrows in ur stash to shoot say, multishot or quickshot

[livid mason]

They should be forced to reload to trigger the perk instead of pulling out there butt at 0/8 arrows

[somber wind]

Add the ability to Speak in Lobby IF the player has over a certain amount of time on that account, the amount of time should be over the amount of time that teamers, cheaters, etc. are normally caught. It would provide a "Trusted" status, if you ever get reported and proven to be breaking the rules your Trusted Status is removed and will take a very long time to re-earn it compared to the first time. I assume the initial time would be something like 168 hours ingame.

[granite plinth]

Rip best game 🙏 12/22/23

[warped tulip]

Should have never added map rotations like this the map variety of players was fine, but know we have to deal with trio ruins and goblins which is horrible

[languid spoke]

It's just a test and they are about to release a larger goblin map for 2s/3s

[desert beacon]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

[warped tulip]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

[granite plinth]

🇩 🇪 🇦 🇩 🇺 🇵 🇩 🇦 🇹 🇪 RIP DnD 12/22/23 Revert before more players quit

🇩 🇪 🇦 🇩 🇺 🇵 🇩 🇦 🇹 🇪 RIP DnD 12/22/23 Revert before more players quit

[warped tulip]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

[tame veldt]

Bump, we need to get this implemented

[warped verge]

yall ideas are terrible absolutely terrible

[obtuse stone]

we should just make GC the trios map and crypts the solo map because some people "hate map rotations" so much
ok then they won't rotate at all and you get to play with the goblins 🙂

[tawny panther]

just implement red portals everywhere so crypts hell is everywhere possible and the most gonna be happy again

[somber wind]

Fairly certain every map is going to have a lower floor in the future so that'll be weird when it would change

I really hope they don't listen to the gibbering vocal few that hate map rotation, it's genuinely great. There's issues but they can work with it.

[desert beacon]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇲 🇦 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇹 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 (and do it before the player base dies)

[primal slate]

Please remove forced map rotation, or alternatively introduce a permanent trios crypt queue. GC is currently not designed for anything more than solos and the lack of foresight to make any changes to the map to compensate for trio queues is ridiculous - ruins runs into the same issue, although on a lesser scale. Maps should have a max cap queue size based around the design, rather than a shoehorned (and the following lack of adjustments) team size per queue.

[somber wind]

Ruins was originally made for Trios and was changed to Duos as an experiment then was never changed back. There also has been changes to the maps to accommodate, the only thing they haven't done is expanding Goblin Caves which is coming next update and resurrection altars for Goblin Caves. With the additions of Uniques to the Troll and Cyclops it's ALSO not a situation where the caves aren't a source of Uniques; Especially with the addition of a Treasure Hoard to all maps which also now can give Uniques as well.

[primal slate]

Ruins is arguably still poorly designed for trios as a one stager (since it was originally designed to continue down to Crypts) I don't know about any changes to the maps to accomodate at all, can you enlighten me?

[somber wind]

So the portal count as well as triple down portals have been added/increased to Goblin Caves and Ruins as well as some minor changes. I haven't discovered everything but that one is the most obvious, I've been finding ALOT of minor changes but the idea from what I understand is the whole collective of changes are ment to make a better whole.

[warped verge]

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[primal slate]

there are triple down portals in GCs ..?

[somber wind]

If it's Trios and the final portal only

[primal slate]

I'm going to be honest, I haven't seen a trio escape OR trio down portal on final in GC ever

[somber wind]

This has also returned from back when Ruins was like that for Ruins

[primal slate]

And by down portals, you don't mean blue escapes, you mean red "down" to hell portals, yes?

[somber wind]

I ment escape sorry I was thinking about what someone said before in general chat and I mixed them up

In general though this is the first pass of map rotation, there's going to be issues with every map until it's complete. This has happened with every major change to a map and this has to be one of the most dynamic changes. I expect this to be working nicely within the next 3 hotfixes. Goblin Caves changing in the next hotfix will be a major change, I expect that one to not be in a good spot for a few hotfixes as well since it'll be another major change.

Expect some changes to every map based on group count in the future I'd say.

People are just having a kneejerk reaction since it's of course not polished yet (the map rotation) and most people are treating the game as released and not unfinished so they're putting it to a higher standard than what should be expected.

[primal slate]

So basically you're just saying to sit and wait and hope they fix the queues. What about hell bossing, then?

[somber wind]

Not to bash anyone by saying that as a side note, people are fine to have their own opinions about it but I think it's too soon to say that this isn't a good change and we need to let them flesh it out. We've convinced Ironmace before after alot of trial and error that something isn't needed or wanted and this is an isolated feature that could very easily be removed for sure.

[somber wind]

I would say that people need to start also doing Goblin Caves bossing as it has the same rewards and if anything the loot room might have more in Goblin Caves if you don't count bringing a Skull Key to Inferno (which due to the changes is likely more profitable than bossing). That said again there will likely be changes that can assuage this concern, this one is also another "wait and see" though.

[primal slate]

I'm less concerned about the rewards and more about quest progress - which is why I'm asking for permanent trios crypt queue tbh. It's moderately annoying trying to get the newer players in my group to get their 10 kills when we can't even queue into HR Hell for 2/3rds of the time (obviously a "wait and fix", but the quick fix is to literally just introduce perma crypts queue)

[somber wind]

Oh for sure right now questing is really awkward but we have to consider the fact that all the quests themselves are beta and expected to be replaced or changed some point in the future. Quests haven't been adjusted for this rotation system yet. It's for sure a pain point, THIS is what we should be complaining about; It's the quest system pushing against the map rotation system.

Ideally the feature is kept in since making all the maps be all 3 all the time (as in choosing Solo, Duo or Trio before going in) would be the worst decision they could do (i've been seeing people requesting this) as it would change the game from having 6 game queues to 18 which could cause a player drought issue, especially on starter lobbies (or High Roller lobbies when/if we get back Normal Roller and Paid High Roller; which we already had droughts before with High Roller where the lobbies were never full).

It MIGHT not be an issue if the game were on steam and had it's old player counts but until the Nexon lawsuit is over (which it's still not) the game wont be on steam and wont be getting that level of advertising.

In short:

• We should be making suggestions on changes to the Quest system to heal the pain point with it between it and map rotation.
• We should be making suggestions on changes to maps based on the queue type.
• We should give it a chance and not just assume because of it's early growing pains that it'll always have these problems and attempt to help it grow into something more enjoyable (I suspect the Goblin Caves expansion will help people also feel like Goblin Caves isn't a problem for Trios in it's own right).

[ripe yoke]

add portals to goblin cave duos lol jesus

[somber wind]

They did, but it it's intentionally less than the amount of players like how it was before; there's still more but not enough for every squad. This'll likely change eitherway for Duos and Trios.

[languid acorn]

they need to make it so you can atleast spectate the person that killed you in high roller solo

[somber wind]

I would agree with that

Specifically the person that killed you and only a snapshot of them when you were killed by them

[bright stump]

Fuck off with the floor traps in hell

[lament sequoia]

Wait why ranger get another buff ?

how i see it play ranger and just win at this point cooldowns buffs and dmg buff for longbow for a range class is kinda wild to me. So is the meta now to make sure to bring ranger with you. Welcome to pain. I lost more kits to rangers today then i ever had in the past few days playing . Then i double check wipe and see rangers got buffs. Just amount of love rangers get is insane to me .

[livid mason]

People complaining about wizards, so we get rangers. Pick your poison scenario.

[graceful frost]

idk there is not much they can do to make me like being forced to play thesse maps, especially when half of them are ass. My issues with ruins can't rlly be fixed without a very large rework or it not even being ruins anymore.

I am actually having some fun doing the goblin caves trios though, some fun pvp. only issue is no res shrines and not enough portals. there are like 7 portals but they are extremely hard to find and if you leave 1 team left that leaves before you find them you cant rlly find portals.

and stuff like the crypts bosses arent meant for less than 3 ppl, just like cave troll isnt meant for more than 1

[somber wind]

So personally I like Ruins as is, I would like the upper floors back from the original personally though. Goblin Caves could use some work yeah, but this is just a first pass. Crypts bosses aren't ment for the less than 3 but it's been done before; In all likelihood though we'll see some changes in the future for different amounts. It's not really ment to "force" players to play anything and more so to deliver on the "play any map with any amount of players" request that people keep giving without outright killing the game by making it so you can actually pick since it would divide the community into 18 groups and even worse as more maps come out (going from 18 to 24 once the Ice map is out and increasing by 6 for every map instead of by 2).

[livid mason]

Yeah I agree the upper floor was interesting on ruins

[graceful frost]

Idk personally I really really hate ruins. I get its a game called dark and darker, but ruins is way way way too dark compared to the other maps. along with having insane amounts of long grass everywhere. and some of the ruins just have a never ending amount of skeletons. It also gets worse to play the higher gold is worth, since everyone is running it down for gold and quests.

There is also some pretty bad spots like top of the two towers where most ppl are completely out of render distance. Just personally I don't think I will every like the map, even as a ranger which is supposed to be good on ruins I have no fun, especially since I don't trap camp everything.

Hence why I dislike the rotation, I don't wanna wait 30 minutes just to play a decent map

[somber wind]

I think Ranger isn't really great on ruins tbh, that might be why you dislike it; I enjoy ruins alot as Warlock, Bard and Barbarian. I've been playing a little bit of Ranger recently and only did a few Ruins runs with it but I really didn't like it as ranger so I can see why you dislike it; but as those other classes it's one of my favorite maps. If we got the upper floors back than Ranger would be nearly OP on the map again though.

[devout lark]

gut fighter knowledge, resourcefulnes and will and give him str, vigor, agi, dex. They gave barbs 5 knowledge but fighters 15. Fighters should be martial experts, but still weaker and less tanky than barb, but they can be more agile. Knowledge is a dead stat for fighters. Resourcefulness has some use, but the other stats are way more important. Actually resourcefulness can just be taken out of the game, let the stats that derive from resroucefulness come purely from other attributes.

[graceful frost]

I also think I am a bit scarred from my past ruins expiriences.

me and my duo played as ranger barb with gear before hr ruins existed, and we absoluted destroyed any team we saw. even if they were full bis, but every time we had something stupid unlucky happen and lost it all. for example a solo warlock camping in a bush for 3 minutes to randomly 1 tap me with boc after we win a fight. or killing a team for a random naked rogue to suicide me, then my barb goes to res and there is 2 teams camping res shrine. Things like that. "

feels like its 3rd party sim to the max rn

but never the less there is hope for this system. I mean I found myself enjoying trios goblin caves a lot more than i though, and it was the last thing I ever expected to like.

However I just don't know if I can get past my issues with maps like ruins, maybe if they brighten it up and move some pve around

[somber wind]

Oh 100% it is but only in specific high confrontation spots, as you learn the map there's areas like NO ONE goes to with good loot and sometimes you'll get some people which will be a fair fight as it wont be getting 3rd partied. You have to be wary of the super wide open areas as well as the hyper loot areas that are just out in the open. It's for sure fairly dark but I've personally gotten used to it and kinda just know where things are at this point, but it shouldn't HAVE to be that so I can agree with a little lighting it up.

I personally use ruins for rebuild if I'm out of gold (in addition to normal play).

[graceful frost]

yeah my main issue with ruins I feel like is you have to play pretty slow and non confrontational, which doesn't rlly fit me. I love to fight and even as a ranger I like to fast clear rooms to fight teams to find, and I win most of my fights.

I do get thats not rlly how the game can be played anymore, I just have a hard time finding fun playing passive since the pve and looting has gotten stale. I don't feel rewarded when I say go into a game loot like 4 rooms and extract with a full inv of gold that aint rlly fun for me

[lament sequoia]

yea. Just think though ranger has got nothing but buff's no nerfs . They just a loved class

[somber wind]

I suggest with the addition of map rotation that Seasonal Rank is consolidated into 1 Seasonal Rank progression instead of 1 for each map's highroller as it's going to be much harder to achieve now that we cant target farm maps anymore. Quests should also be rebalanced for ones that have target farming intended to be lower numbers (as you will see the maps less) and/or more dynamic in requirements like having X or Y as a requirement instead of just X.

[graceful frost]

some of the quests really need to be reworked, or some of the enemies for the quests need to be more accesible.

For example the worms are a 50 percent chance on ruins and a 33 percent chance on a single map of gc.

I don't think its good when to finish a quest you just run it down and then leave after you kill something or get the wrong spawn

[somber wind]

In general quests and the seasonal rank rubs up against map rotation in a bad way right now and need to be rebalanced to support map rotation

[cursive yew]

Good thing solo maps rotate because the buffs to ranger and nerfs to anything not meta made my duo quit the game. Game was good. Was.

[calm dove]

I think a change in rotation would be the best solution. Crypts stays open. Gobo caves rotates between solo/duo and Ruins rotates duo/trio. I think everyone would be way more happy this style or roataion and the games would be more fun in gobo caves.

[tepid pumice]

anyone getting kicked off for server client restart game

[gritty plume]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/516878/ffa-in-lobby

[south pagoda]

Add custom lobby background in lobby where you could purchase with redstone shards or bluestones and it changes everything on the "Lobby" screen when searching for a match and a good thing aswell would be on holiday seasons like easter, christmas or halloween you could add pympkins, lights etc etc around crypts , GC and ruins just to have that warmth of a holiday season type shii

[edgy mason]

make crystal sword a one-hand weapon

[desert beacon]

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[sturdy scroll]

hows this for a suggestion? Remove dumb ass pixels that block you from moving forward in the god damn game. i just died with an insane kit because a barbarian killed me while i couldnt run up the stairs of a blue static exit. i was literally stuck on the stairs between the barbarian and whatever pebble was blocking the stairs.

[proud sigil]

Or make resurrection altars on gob caves

[calm dove]

idk man I don't think gobo caves is going to be a fun 3s map. It will just be a cat and mouse game of who gets 3rd party and circle luck.

[nocturne forge]

please, remove map rotation, it has been one of the dumbest ideas ironmace had in the last year...

having your constantly declining playerbase to stop playing HR because you cant rank up 66% of the time (queueing up when the entry fee is around 200 RP and up) is not worth when u have so little time to kill and loot up

[nocturne forge]

that wont change a damn thing, that map isn't designed for trios, there is not enought space, not enough time, and worst of all, not enough LOOT, so you barely gain any points with any match

[calm dove]

Player kills should be worth more RP because sometimes you spend a lot of times for those kills and they have like 2-4 treasures.....just feels bad.

[nocturne forge]

that also, i player alot of HR GC before this patch and when i was about to pathfinder III i finally understood why everyone was so friendly and avoiding eachother... kills were worth like 10-15 ap EACH, trying to kill someone is worthless, you are going to gain way more by just keep breaking vases and boxes instead of chasing someone for 3 minutes just for 10 AP

[fathom haven]

Please for the love of god. Make the quests like killing lich 15 times, group based. Not per player. My trio has to kill lich 45 times? Be serious

[calm dove]

If rotation is here to stay then I really would like crypts out of rotation. Just ruins and gobo on rotation with runis being duo/trio and gobo caves being solo/duo. ....IT's so bad I ended up leveling a rogue and just running ruins to reach pathfinder skin. Haven't touched that char since reaching that rank.

[nocturne forge]

they fixed that on hotfix #24

[proud sigil]

It’s only 9 players like always has been. Usually in gob caves only 5 peoples survives in solos. Or 2 teams for trios. The loot is good for that 5/6 people who survive.

Always someone has to die

[nocturne forge]

dunno who told u that bs, but its a lie

[fathom haven]

Also it would be awesome if all the escape / dungeon stair cases are marked. Iv noticed some dont show on the map. Is this intentional?

[proud sigil]

Of course would be better if u can choose the game and the team size

[calm dove]

Another solution is just let us have more features while in lobby ready for game to start. Imagine having trade chat while in lobby, who cares if it took 5plus mins for a full game.

[fathom haven]

There should be some backpack or item that fits on back slot. That makes inventory in the dungeon bigger.

[proud sigil]

Ore, herb or treasures bags

[tiny wigeon]

Did u consider it might be a player invis that blocked you ? I’ve done that to people

[tiny wigeon]

It is group based…. Kills are shared among group for a month now

[wet dock]

It'd be cool if the devs could add a rotation status channel to the discord for the queues

[graceful yew]

Hey, guys, I made a suggestion to make the Troll Room less punishing to the player fighting the boss as it currently favors the vultures running in after the boss is completed.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/516928/when-redesigning-goblin-caves-make-the-troll-room-less-punishing-to-the-player-w

[wet dock]

I'd kinda like a random one-time use portal of sorts that would put you somewhere in the map

[dense rover]

can we all just agree there should not be such a thing as a one-shot weapon?

[wanton solstice]

i madea suggestion STOP SELL THE GAME AND MAYBE FIX IT

[grim monolith]

Please stop the solo, duos, trios rotation. I want to be able to run the dungeon I want repeatedly in a group of 3 rather than being forced to switch every 2-3 rounds. Maybe have 2 options available per map, with the previous settings static and non-standard party count on a rotation (crypts would have trio always and have solo and duo on a rotation, etc.)

[obtuse stone]

Please continue the solo, duos, trios rotation. I want to be able to run the dungeon I want repeatedly in a group of 1-2 rather than having no choice at all.

[sour pewter]

spectating after you die/extract was part of the charm of this game.... removing it is a big mistake

[kindred garden]

ironmace pls stop ruin this game plsss remove this map rotation for high roll... we need crypt for party of 3.

[tepid finch]

Remove slow mode from every channel and remove censorship so I can use the middle finger emoji

Stop making sweeping drastic changes to how the game plays because you hate Chinese teamers

It’s pixels on a screen!! There’s gonna be teamers and a black market for gold. The community does NOT care.

[dense rover]

lol everyone cares tho. nobody likes the lobby sniping teamers

[winter bison]

I dont, when timmies buy gold and run expensive gear its just free loot. i say let them buy me kits to steal 😉

[tepid finch]

Everyone? You mean the server that Aussies play on?

[dense rover]

broits on ALL servers more or less

[tepid finch]

How do you deal in an absolute and then say “more or less” it’s not ALL servers.

[winter bison]

ne better question is how do you get more then ALL?

[dense rover]

what?

[tepid finch]

LOL

[winter bison]

''more or less'' then all? how can get get more then all? its just funny

[tepid finch]

Coach said to give it 110% effort

[winter bison]

ah so if theres 7 servers he crates an 8th server. those gold farmers are insane

[tepid finch]

They must have invaded the development server too

[winter bison]

tbh I stopped playing this game but I still like to linger in this chat lol. I want players that haven't opted into being a trader to get separate no trade lobbies. only then I will I come back. add this feature when they relist on steam so the influx of new players offsets dividing lobbies. many people want no trade not just me.

[dense rover]

lmao u so stupid dont even understand english. by more or less i meant its a bigger problem on some servers and less on others

[dense rover]

than*

[small furnace]

High-Roller Cave Troll no longer drops unique grade items. Classic Ironmace. Make a cool change and then don't even leave it in for one day to test.

[obtuse stone]

it's understandable no why even risk going into inferno when you can get the juice in half the time going GC

[faint vigil]

mate, trio hr caves the easiest shit to farm uiniques, theres no risk of hell or much pvp/pve in hell, its ez af to kill it in trio AND u have a chance at a 40 key item.

[small furnace]

It's early access, if we're going to test such changes leaving them in for one day to see how they affect things is not the play.

[faint vigil]

alrdy found out and people found its fucking broken, get unique and camp static, boom +40 keys

[sharp vigil]

The boss can be insta spawn rushed, a powerful item like a named unique should not drop from a boss that can be beaten by quite literally holding A

[small furnace]

If it was never a good idea in the first place then don't put it in. This bullshit of 'we will put something in the game to test then remove it after one day' is just tinybrain dev behavior.

Also it should be noted, what you both said is incredibly moot because they make no mention of the cyclops. So the cyclops can still be spawn rushed for named uniques.

[faint vigil]

cyclops and cave troll have same loot table, it doesnt matter when they said cave troll, its also directed to cyclops

[small furnace]

So they just used bad wording for the update?

Either way my main point stands that this is just stupid. If the change was absolutely so peabrained you needed to remove it a day later there should've been some forethought into it never going in.

[orchid cypress]

Ironmace - you really will force a solo to wait an hour to go back to the map they are ranked in?

[pine comet]

Ranking has been changed to solo hr, duo hr, and trio hr you can raise your ranking no matter what map it is

[ornate veldt]

Ranking was changed from map-specific to mode-specific. It is now split into solo, duo and trios

[limber elbow]

DeLeTe Chinese Map Rotation , Keep Goblin Cave only for Solo , Stop chance so many shit for Chinese , Fix Report and Let solo player can watch another player when they die or get out

[uncut holly]

change map rotation timer to 2 mins

[livid mason]

Arcane shield interaction with reactive shield is bad. You dont make use of the entire arcane shield without reactive shield getting over written. Seperating them would make both skill and perk bad or completely dead. Dont forget arcane feedback COMPLETELY DEAD.

[near violet]

they need to bring back the spectating after hr, it was one of my favorite things to do after getting out

[near violet]

or add down portals to every map. We can use the same HR. just give us a chance to complete all quests all the time.

[naive elk]

With the introduction of herbs on craft, we could probably in a near future receive Magical Oil that could be crafted with those herbs aswell. Some examples that I can imagine are:

• +1/2/3 Weapon Damage for 30 seconds.
• Bonus AR for 1min.
• Bonus Magical/Elemetal Damage in the weapon for the next X attacks.
  Magical oil could also have a standard duration like 1min or 30 seconds despite the effect, but how the game work right now (everyone kill anyone in 2-3 hits), something around 20-30 seconds should be enough.

[midnight wigeon]

why do they push an update at primetime on a saturday before the holidays. LOL

m fs couldnt wait til midnight or morning time

[edgy mason]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/516962/magic-missle-slow-turn-but-bring-back-the-damage

[uncut holly]

yes this

[graceful frost]

Yeah idk they update at terrible times.

The weirdest thing is its like 4-5 am when they started the update they could do it around 8 am instead and it would be like 9pm there time

[midnight wigeon]

fr tho, over half the playerbase is US so why not prio that when player count is at an all time low lol

[livid mason]

Rescale physical damage bonus. 0٪ should be 0% and scale with STR. People are forced to build STR and not get killed in two shots by a landmine rogue.

[midnight wigeon]

this is actually a great concept, but i feel will only be truly utilized by gigachads.

[exotic kettle]

they need to fix the silver wep skins to make them look silver and i hope they add some sort of runic traps for mage like ice runes to freeze and fire runes to dmg maybe electric. and when they gonna add enchated arrows i need ice arrows in my life

[graceful frost]

we never gonna get enchanted arrows and a quiver I swear. its been months, we were supposed to have them start of ea

[exotic kettle]

i thought they were gonna add quivers map drop

and backpacks

[midnight wigeon]

why would they when rangers already hit like a truck & can be ignited

[graceful frost]

I mean cause its a part of the class? and rangers really aint op.

Why would wizard get a new spell when its already the best class?

Why would we get backpacks when we already have an inventory

[exotic kettle]

im sure there are gonna gice the mage something if they drop magic arrows like that like maybe a wand or something. they would find a way to balance it

[graceful frost]

huh

[midnight wigeon]

imagine the slow down from getting hit from an arrow + FREEZE ARROWS. that would be sooo fun HAHHAHAHAH
& you bring up terrible points. you would of had more umph without HAHAHHAh

[exotic kettle]

you seem salty about something

[midnight wigeon]

im just pointing out the obvious lol

[exotic kettle]

was just and idea not a firing range for your shitty comments

[midnight wigeon]

shitty comments lol. yOu sEeM sALtLY aBOuT sOmEthIng

[exotic kettle]

and if we are talking about bad ideas why did they add a golden felling axe

[midnight wigeon]

beats me

but ice arrows is not the answer. if the standard slow down is reduced significantly maybe. but last time ppl ask for it to be reduced it got BUFFED

[exotic kettle]

i get what you mean range can be op

i was just thinking about random fun shit to add

[midnight wigeon]

not even really op. but to make more of a slowdown would make it almost impossible for a cleric to kill them

[exotic kettle]

maybe remove crippling shot

[midnight wigeon]

i think its okay just too powerful

[exotic kettle]

yeah 35 percent pretty strong

its like wizard slow spell

[midnight wigeon]

magic missles got gutted it seems. even high gear wiz need a whole new playstyle. WHICH WAS VERY NEEDED

[exotic kettle]

druid will be cool tho

[naive elk]

Ranger isnt OP, but the game model is. Everyone 1-3tap everyone, you lose more than half of your health when you reach the ranger. Besides ranger, the only other class that has a good range weapon use is fighter. So If you dont take the ranger off guard or you arent a fighter and the ranger isnt horrible playing, you probably going to die.
"But the game has straight corridors etc, etc" Yeah, harder to dodge arrows and easier to take a triple show in the face, again, ranger isnt OP, but the mode the game is delivered to us make him OP.
The class need nerfs, but I still dont know why devs keep buffing it, just because players didnt want to play it so they should think the class is actually weak, the the truth is: Why play anything else If fighter can tank, deal damage, heal and sprint? Ah, and has access to every wepon in the game, lol.

[exotic kettle]

yeah but fighter is horrible against magic unless you have lots of protection

i kneecap so many fighters with magic missle

[naive elk]

I believe is the only weakness of the PDR build, and even so really need "skill" to play as a wizz, I tried and I just drop it because wasnt to me, lmao.

[graceful frost]

I mean he aint op lol. its hella easy to strafe arrows and with the cleric meta rn you get insta healed for any dmg allowing you to continue making space.

[naive elk]

I hate ranger from the bottom of my heart, but they arent OP, I just think they have too much damage.

[quick shell]

i think clerics should have to rest at a campfire like fighters for any healing abilities

[ocean silo]

Let Warlock Cancel Phantomize Already. Please And Thanks

[elfin ivy]

I want Rogue to be unable to attack for 3 seconds after using the Invisibility skill.

[graceful frost]

idk compared to classes like wiz there dmg is nowhere near as high.

Imo the only issue with ranger is quickshot(and traps, i hate traps even as a ranger) feel like the quickshot cooldown should not have been reduce. In a perfect world things like quickhot, ambush things like that are removed since the burst dmg in this game is very unbalanced

[naive elk]

"since the burst dmg in this game is very unbalanced"
Yeah, like I said, the game models make the class being strong/OP. Wiz is such a glass cannon, they basically have to run naked to kite people, If for a reason you touch them, they fell like a fainting goat.

[graceful frost]

you keep saying game models like it means something. certain classes being unbalanced is the reason, has nothing to do with "game models"

[somber wind]

I wonder if Cyclops can still give Uniques or if they forgot to mention it

[warm pumice]

please add the ability to change how your starter gear generates i play bard and having to rearrange my instruments can get tiring

[warm pumice]

try playing ranger without quickshot i did it kind of makes it useless

[somber wind]

It's not a game model it's the point system that alot of game developers use; they sometimes don't apply enough value to each feature though. An example is: +1 Higher Damage, -1 Lower Health = +0; Balanced. That's over simplification and there's usually ALOT more values but the point is to keep the final value the same as every other character.

Point system also doesn't account for fun. If health is flexible shouldn't higher damage also be worth more so maybe that should be +2 and now that -1 causes it to end up at +1 making it overpowered. Etc. etc. etc.

[graceful frost]

ik, most of that is cause cleric. im sayin if the game because extremely balanced then ideally they would be able to remove things like quickshot, ambush, maybe blow of corruption and still have each class be balanced.

Just the main issue feels like burst dmg, cause otherwise it just gets full healed by cleric

[somber wind]

An option to make Burst damage less of a focus and sustained damage matter more is we could have 10% of damage cause "Scarring" damage which can only be healed by surgical kits, resting, campfires and extracting which lowers Max HP.

[naive elk]

Of course it has, in DaD the characters are fragile for a whole, with exception being PDR Fighter and maybe barbarian? But in barbarian case they're just a walking HP bag. When I talk about game model, its about the fragility/damage burst each class has and the maps we play.
You can see the difference now that we didnt have too much weapon damage in every piece of gear, the game has become "slower" If I can say it, lol, but before everyone was 1-tapping everyone.
But welp, the game is in EA and has too much stuff to try yet, I just hope in the future the game dont resume in who hit 2-3 times first.

[soft grove]

Where are the damn portals

[warm pumice]

quick shot could be made to be less accurate than just shooting, maybe make it move your cursor like some games have for aiming it would add more skill to the matter

[somber wind]

From what I can tell they're going in a direction with ranger that people will like more than what we have now; It looks like they want to lower rangers damage but increase their consistency.

[warm pumice]

that would work

[inland surge]

maybe revert rotation thingy and make solo/duo crypts tab and rotate it ?

[warm pumice]

also give me short goblin playable race i wana be with my ppl

[inland surge]

best ida i have ever seen on that channel^

[warm pumice]

turns goblins into minecraft villagers

[somber wind]

Sadly that'd cause problems in the future and split the community up too much at that point.

[naive elk]

Easiest headshot evar, lmao.

[inland surge]

yeah but imo rn its not good also

[warm pumice]

IronMace hire me to make your goblin race now

[somber wind]

Currently the issues that are actually pressing and not just players not being used to maps:

• Quests are not built for not being able to play a specific map repeatedly. They need reworks (which is already planned).
• Highroller ranking is not built for not being able to play a specific map repeatedly. Consolidating the ranking into 1 ranking instead of per map would fix this (This was also a pain point for some people who got sick of 1 map eitherway).

[inland surge]

ur right

[warm pumice]

I as a solo friendless man hate goblincaves and will not play when it is on solos

[somber wind]

As we get more maps this will be less and less of an issue, we're getting another map roughly next month as well anyway.

[warm pumice]

any ideas on what it could be

[somber wind]

Ice Caves, No Zone, No Random Portals (only Fixed Portals), Ice Dragon Boss

[graceful frost]

idk but then an issue on the opposite end happens having to wait way to long between playing the map you want. especially when only crypts has a second floor

[warm pumice]

is this somethign confirmed

[somber wind]

So that's also another growing pain, all maps are ment to have 3 floors; they just don't yet.

[graceful frost]

yeah, however I did like someones idea of adding red portals to all the maps that just take you to crypts inferno for now

[somber wind]

As a temporary measure I'd be fine with that

[warm pumice]

I think they wanted to only have one map and each of these would be a floor based of when they made ruins

[somber wind]

Yee, I'll throw you a screenshot in DMs if you've got DMs open; just need to find you the image real quick

[soft grove]

What the point when your inventory is full after 1-2 floors

[tepid finch]

shut up nerd

[somber wind]

Backpack system is coming in the future, you can even see the extra bag slots in your inventory right now right below your inventory

[coral glen]

The game isn't ready for a map rotation

**Adjust all the maps first, then test stuff. **
Solo maps should be 3x3, Duo maps 4x4 and Trio maps should be 5x5.
Considering this, all maps should be adapted, and all maps should have red portals in the end.

[soft grove]

I love that solo can play on bigger maps, not everyone is hardcore pvp, many of us in here for pve also

[patent owl]

I don't want to complain about the dev team but I feel like there's a mild problem with the lack of description behind changes. If you take for example Riot Games, patch notes generally have statements justifying changes or just giving general insight as to why something was changed. A lot of people like to complain about how IM is "clueless" and I think it would be helpful to see the thought process behind the dev team's actions.

[tropic agate]

1 iron ore = 1 iron ingot , no interest for the moment to farm the iron for craft 2 lockpick or 2 knife

[small furnace]

Quests gotta be account wide man. I hate just playing one character but I feel demotivated from touching any other character knowing how much time and effort it's taken me to get my quests done on my main.

[somber wind]

Quests shouldn't be, Affinity should be. The actual quest rewards aside from affinity are nice per character but Affinity should just be "I completed X quest so that quest for all other characters loses the Affinity reward since every character gets that reward when any character does".

cough https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/514737/account-wide-merchant-affinity

[small furnace]

I have no problems with that, but as a side-note the extra stash tab you unlock could also be account-wide, just considering the prerequisites for these quests it's ridiculous to expect anyone to do them on multiple characters.

ESPECIALLY considering they put a patchnote in saying a 'chapter system' is coming and that these quests are just the beginning, this is WAY too many quests for someone to complete on multiple characters.

[somber wind]

I'd be fine personally with the extra Stash Tab being account wide but I feel like that one might be a nice milestone for a character.

[somber wind]

Oh for sure. I would say right now the quests are punched up a little bit because there isn't alot. Reminder a season is 3 months.

[small furnace]

The 15 liches
And the 15 wolf pelts + 1 troll pelt
Not to mention the spider silk quests are the biggest offenders.

These are quests that take such an immense amount of time, grind, effort and luck to complete.

(Considering there's 3 inferno bosses, only 1 of every 3 runs when you make it to inferno will you be eligible to get the lich, and that's IF you make it to inferno with enough meds to beat the lich)

These quests are just designed to waste so much of your time that if they're gonna do it like this, making the more permeant rewards account wide HAS to be the way to go.

[graceful frost]

Personally i want the quests to be account wide. Maybe make a few harder and have the merchants shared over accounts so you cant get 8 different types of items.

Really sucks not wanting to play other classes cause you have to do quests

[jovial tinsel]

rouges need a Katana

[somber wind]

I do think affinity being account wide and quests not being would be the best result so players can get rewards like Coin Bags or other things per character but have all crafting and shop unlocks be account wide. This will matter more in the future when there is items that only come from quests (which have been talked about).

[graceful frost]

That would be great

[livid mason]

Yup and also they havent FINISHED THE FKIN ICEMAP. They dont have time to redesign the others ones.

[somber wind]

From my understanding they're currently working on that AND Druid right now so they're kinda bogged down; when things stabilize more on their side I'd say we'll see major improvements to map rotation; We'll see some changes before then for sure though.

[unique seal]

Holy moly Divine Gear taking six silver ingots is kind of crazy, maybe 5 sure but 6 is kinda insane to me

[somber wind]

It would be so much worse if ingots still required 5 ore each LUL

[unique seal]

This is true however silver ore isnt a thing and that would mean 300 coins

[somber wind]

LUL I forgot about it being 300 coins. That was so bad.

[tepid finch]

• no revive altars in goblin caves
• no red portals in goblin caves
• no red portals in ruins
  revert map rotation

[ornate vault]

Permanenet blue extracts don't work on solos howling crypts??

[brave shale]

Just keep Crypts - Trio - because it makes no sense bossing there. Solo or Duo
Make Goblins - Able to chose Solo/Duo - add resurection, add more portal spawns.
Keep Ruins - Duo - Add Boss there. its needed
Rework wizard.. Buff it again nothing to say here added to much anti-wizard stuff from Magic Protecion pots to Magic resist armor. And hard nerfed wiz.
looking at that is in general glass cannon class.

[craggy gazelle]

Last Portal in HR GC Trios needs to be a trio escape.

[candid yacht]

fix your servers tired of laging back in to peoples swings or pve

[tepid finch]

nerf lizards

[somber wind]

Lizards existence nerfs themselves lol; no modifiers in the headslot is garbage. It's only even good until blue gear and even then still holds you back while for some classes like Rogue, Warlock and Wizard it's never good to be a lizard.

[tepid finch]

ok but change it so that you get all 3 skin colors instead of just 1 thats kinda cheap LOL

[somber wind]

Eh I kinda get that one, what I don't get is not being able to get male and female versions of the skins; if anything they should be a genderless skin that changes to your character's gender (should also beable to change that later).

[warm garden]

I'm just going to post this here to help future Cleric-Casters......

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517010/cleric-spells-intereacting-with-lobby-dummies

[static gazelle]

Barbarians still need health and damage nerfs

[dense ridge]

Nerf fighters plox

[copper storm]

The Shield Blocks on the back (Like the Pavise and heater) is a good Idea. I do not know if it was a bug or intended but it was a good. The reasons is because you give up your range for more close range and giving the range players needing more skill to hit players while giving close range a chance to fight instead of getting kited.

[rigid horizon]

If they made it so it also came with free stats that you could spend as you please, it might make up for the inability to wear a BIS hounskull, but even then only for casual colored kits.

[somber wind]

Exactly it's not overpowered at all, it's exceptionally niche except for very specific use cases but no matter what not useful for high end at all

[rigid horizon]

Only thing OP here is how much the devs like buffing rangers and nerfing wizards.

I haven't touched this game in more then a month and I see that some things don't change.

Although the longsword buff and keeping grey health when you stop resting are very nice additions

[somber wind]

So the ranger buffs were actually a good thing, I hate ranger personally and these are good changes. It looks like their current goal is to pivot how ranger is balanced to be less about burst damage and more about consistent damage. The cooldowns changing is changing is due to the position of the class strength changing.

The Wizard Nerf specifically to Magic Missile I think was too heavy handed to go back from 12 to 9 like before. The issue with Wizard is the high end in the first place, it'll feel the same at the high end anyway. They also introduced more Anti-magic gear so there's even less reason to nerf Magic Missile.

[rigid horizon]

Besides. You shove a shield into their staff/hand as they are casting MM it interrupts the spell. So I don't think it even needed much done with it anyway.

[somber wind]

I wonder if classes without shields should get something like Ward or Counter Spell

[rigid horizon]

Though I do find them annoying as hell, the introduction of more antimagic armor helps deal with wizards. The biggest issue with magic damage in general is that there's alot of scaling for it, but no scaling to magic resistance. Unlike physical damage.

[summer drift]

Why is memory capacity not equal to knowledge? I'm curious.

[warped coral]

W idea untill you run into pavise halberd user who turns and crouches to block you 100% of times

[tepid finch]

change from pvpve to a horror game with jump scares

[copper storm]

Then u get killed by a guy who kites you the whole game and you cant do anything (warlocks, wizards, rangers, Bards)

[copper storm]

Plus only projectiles and magic not physical or attacks

[fathom bolt]

it is after 6 knowledge

[summer drift]

Does it work like that for all classes? I never noticed that before.

[fathom bolt]

yes

[summer drift]

They had no reason to buff rangers AT ALL imo

[warped coral]

100% agree wit that i thought u wanted it to function as a normal sheild blocking all

[unique seal]

Can we please remove achillies from proccing on non damage throwables

May we also have HR Spectate back, its fun being able to watch matches or potentially learn from them too

[rigid horizon]

I don't think you understand why it was removed to begin with...

Long story short you have gold farmers go to a low population solo server and que up at the same time to get placed in the same lobby. Then one of them kills themselves and spectates the non gold farmers and tells their friends on a discord call where the non farmers are so they can kill em off and have the whole game to themselves. Needless to say, it hurts the hell out of the game, and the appeal of HR to begin with.

Want someone to blame, blame the farmers (or more accurately, the people forcing would be Chinese gamers to do this as slave labor) they're the reason we can't have nice things

[unique seal]

Oh I am more than aware of why it was removed I play in OCE thats all we dealt with since the release of the game. Its just insanely boring not being able to wonder what happens after your interaction with a player/team etc

[rigid horizon]

... That's sounds like a personal gripe. Personally, I just used it to dictate if I got killed due to skill, or if I just got rolled by an orange BIS kit.

[unique seal]

? Is not wanting to see how the rest of a match plays out interesting at all to you?
Maybe I wanted to see what gear was left in the lobby or if my leaving early was worth it or not etc

Theres many valid reasons

[summer drift]

I think not having it is worth it if it helps reduce teamers

[woven marsh]

Please fix the Barb’s speed. It was funny for a while, but at this point everything but a fully plated Fighter/cleric just kites them. There is no reason a shirtless, helmetless barbarian in lightfoots should be outrun while raging by a warlock in oracle robes. You basically have to ambush someone to get close enough, and because taking a step sounds like a 3 year old pretending to be Niel Peart with pots and pans, that means staying completely still for long periods of time next to a point of interest.

[reef gazelle]

devs are clueless, just quit playing and charge back bro. Barb should be fastest class in game, but graysun's boy plays ranger so he needs to be handheld so he can win.

[woven marsh]

Do they actually play their game? Or do they just read comments from Rangers and Wizards whining about how weak their classes are and how OP rogues are?

[reef gazelle]

No they don't play, it's just a ripped off (from nexon) cash grab. They trying to do waaaay to much in terms of classes and as a result classes like barbarian will just be broken and unplayable unless you have a pocket wiz and cleric to buff/heal bot you.

[graceful frost]

does anyone know the unique chance from goblin merchant? doesn't seem that rare for the gingerbread

[woven marsh]

I feel like their first iteration of the game was by far the most balanced. All the tweaking has just resulted in heavily skewed power levels for the different classes.

[graceful frost]

it wasnt, it was extremely unbalance. just people didnt have as much time to abuse meta or see whats broken.

The playtest balance was extremely bad.

[graceful frost]

huh. nobody on the dev team play ranger and in what way should barb be the fastest? he already has high dmg and health why would he have highest move speed, that aint rlly how stuff works.

[reef gazelle]

You realize fighter has highest PDR (highest effective health pool) and are the fastest character in the game right? Perhaps it is you who neccesitates grass touching.

[graceful frost]

huh. they aren't the fastest? with plate they are at like 250 move speed, and evne with sprint that lasts like 8 seconds thats 300 move speed, still way slower than other classes.

Your brain ain't braining

[reef gazelle]

Not only does fight have highest effective health pool they can also heal half of it. Find the grass good sir and commence the feeling.

[bleak bramble]

no revive altars in goblin caves
no red portals in goblin caves
no red portals in ruins
revert map rotation

The current gaming experience is so bad that I don’t even know why I want to play this game.

[limber elbow]

After fixing the game crash error, now entering the game to search for a match takes 5-10 minutes and still can't enter the lobby. When I enter the lobby, it crashes and won't let me in. I lose all my gear because of hot fix 26. Still keeping the map rotation for the Chinese.

[light hound]

Imagine if we had playtest balance today (+100 added damage BIS kits 1 shotting everyone with 1 arrow or stab, craziness) - it honestly only felt good because everyone was really bad and the meta was unexplored. If anything, it was the feeling that you had a better shot at winnjng every fight, which was mostly just everyone sucking (which MMR systems help maintain somewhat - easy to simulate that environment when everyone is a beginner)

[storm echo]

let us set up spell priority without having to take out spells and set up the slots

[proud sigil]

can someone make a decent updated wiki?

[agile ingot]

Maybe in the future implement a traveling merchant in the dungeons similiar to Resident Evil 4s mysterious merchant that you can exchange items for gold with or items for potions/ bandages. So you can continue on. This could be good on maps that last awhile. Could encourage people to risk it for the biscuit so to speak. To keep going deeper rather than leaving when full of items.

[chrome epoch]

Why the hell do casters get nerfed in every game now days, i swear devs are so biased towards melee characters casters already get one tapped, now u just made them more useless, casters already do nothing now they cant penetrate shields what do u want us to do only burn their feet and hope they die from playing the floor is lava

[nova mango]

let every class wear rubysilver leathercap for gods sake

[rain zodiac]

A quality of life enhancement for ready status, a sound is played whenever a party member is ready. Often you'll be waiting for party members to ready up so you go to a merchant or stash, but everyone's doing it so it takes longer than it should to start. Have an option to disable if it is annoying for anyone.

Would be cool if you added a voice as a nice-to-have based on the class/race. "I'm ready/etc"

[north falcon]

can bards get adjustments to the class having negative buff duration is weird we need so much knowledge and mem cap to play a good portion of our songs we are very gear dependent in the higher tier lobbys in low tier it feels fine but there is a large gap once we go to high roller our Physical damage resistance is low and so is our magic resist I dont expect a bard to tank but it doesnt feel great when a naked rouge can outpace us in fights and kill us in 2 or 3 hits with fast attacks the class feels so weak ive played other classes and it just feels better there where some good changes to bard but the class is not fun anymore we are dependant on knowlage mem cap dex and vigor to cover our basics in game thats 4 stats per geared item to be able to contend with others im not saying i would like to see bards kill lobbies but it sucks that the class feels like it dies as fast as a wizzard. I feel like there should be some changes made we are not a common picked class the only reason the class is picked most of the time in my opinion is for the luck stat it hasnt felt good playing the class in a while and I would like to see some changes is all hope that is some good feedback that can be looked into

[queen vector]

Another size of money bag, please

[cunning gorge]

congrats IM - I'm done. You nerfed Wizard again (when they were in the best spot they've ever been in, balance wise - maybe a slight nerf to MM wouldve been OK but that's it). I am forced to play Wizard if I want to quest, because quests aren't shared across classes. As a solo, Wizard isn't nearly as strong as in teams - unless you spend an hour spending 2-5k on a kit that you'll almost surely lose no matter how good you are in 1-5 games just due to being so squishy. I shouldn't be forced to SIT FOR AN HOUR in trade if I want to play a HR. Not to mention - forget normals. You're just dead against any decent player, and normals aren't fun at all anyway. Like, why? What's so hard about this? If you're constantly going to go back and forth between nerfing and buffing things every 1-3 weeks then your classes need to be reworked. This is ridiculous.

Last thing - do you know how many times you've buffed a skill, then nerfed it, then buffed it, then nerfed it since playtest 3? I don't, because it's too many to count. This isn't league of legends or WoW Arena - you don't have 100 champions or 15 classes with 50 skills. You need to committ to something or your classes have fundamental problems. It's extremely frustrating. And, again, no one (except for RMTer's and gold famers) likes to sit in trade chat trying to click an item as fast as they can for an hour. Why do you think all the streamers have brokers/lackeys to do this stuff for them? A huge flaw.

[sonic sigil]

Why do all classes have a golden helmet except bard? they hate bard?

[jovial tinsel]

Iornmace is fumbling up balance by taking this walk back approach cause its inconsistent and compounds gaps between classes because its never done properly. For example:

IE: Rouge is performing too well, so nerfs are made to its abilities. In the same patch, for example, Ranger receives some buffs to help bring them back in line with other classes.
Okay now it seems rouge is too weak, so they will throw rouge a bone and give him some buffs. in the next patch
Next patch, its observed that the changes to rouge are a little too good, so they get nerfed further, sometimes worse than originally. IN THE SAME PATCH, RANGER STILL GETS BUFFS (this is the class gap im talking about at the start)

They just dont revert changes when they dont work out, instead they keep changing values, and some classes get multiple positive changes in a row, while others keep getting hammered. There really is no reason to play any class in solo besides fighter., There iis simply no other reason other than personal taste at this point. Keeping fighter as the target of balance is the most asinine thing to do, a jack of all trades class with the highest defensive options with consistently high power and range options.
Want to play dagger rouge? Just play Fighter in cloth
Want to play range? Just play fighter in a long bow and plate armor
Want to play barb? Just play Fighter with axes.

[runic musk]

cope

[next wharf]

Fixed an issue where the True Shot and Quick Fire skills would start the skill cooldown immediately when the skill was activated instead of after it was used, allowing for much quicker than expected recharge.

@keen onyx @dawn grotto this was fixed for Ranger, but this is STILL how Sprint works on fighter. Please address or make a statement if this is intended?

[round lava]

what about adding a res shrine or 2 to goblin caves

[spring hound]

nerf barb man, hits q and is on your meat no matter what, cant run, oh youre faster? no axe to back with achilles you're dead. OH he has a felling axe thats easy baiting to kill him, (he will hit you 140 if you mess up). Oh he has a viking sword? you cant do anything he hits for 90 and has 160 hp. PDR? oh nah ive got reckless attack youre still getting 2 tapped by an axe

[hard cairn]

literally a skill issue dude

[spring hound]

rahhh im a barb rahh

[static gazelle]

Ranger need A movement penalty after making a ranged attack

[hard cairn]

do u not see everybody in this chat complaining about how barb literally gets kited by hmm every class but cleric? thats not a coincidence the whole game is based on a rock paper scissors system. just dont engage maybe?

[spring hound]

i love not engaging someone who hits 350 movespeed and chases u down lmao

[hard cairn]

show me a barb w 350 ms and ill eat my words

[spring hound]

with rage of course, not base

[hard cairn]

but base agi 22 25 whatever ranger has is okay? fighter has sprint, you do realize barbs skills have debuffs built into them right?

[spring hound]

i dont like rangers either lmao

i dont need to make a post aobut them, everyone knows they need fix\

[pale grotto]

@keen onyx @dawn grotto You should implement a feature to change the spell order in the spell priority bar

[hard cairn]

is there another weapon in game that has worse swing recovery than felling?

[woven vessel]

Literally every barb shirtless wearing Lightfoots with rage up. Rofl.

[hard cairn]

and they lose how much armor rating while raged? just hit your shots?

[spring hound]

youre deadass a barb main its the only roll you have selected lmao

[static gazelle]

Irrelevant when one hit either ends the fight, or puts you on the back foot

[woven vessel]

They gain health noob. It's a solid tradeoff. Also just don't get hit because right back to high movement speed meta.

[patent mauve]

Curse of weakness should grant you half of the stats youve reduced.

[hard cairn]

yeah bcuz slayer fighter isnt an option pdr is cancer, i am solo barb main i dont do that buff ball shit

[spring hound]

yeah solos u come out on top no? what do you lose to rangers, maybe a high pdr fighter or a decent wiz

[woven vessel]

Guessing you are not voyager or higher. Dead wrong mindsets.

[hard cairn]

rock paper scissors my friends

[mellow atlas]

Fall Damage should be considered

[spring hound]

rock paper scizzors when rock beats paper and rock beats scizzors or what

[hard cairn]

is barb not direct counter to wiz or am i missing something? all the ranged classes have an upper hand if they know how to play the range

[spring hound]

rahhhh

[hard cairn]

barbs have what fran axes?

[jagged fjord]

Let us spectate our killers again, trash change

If a cheater makes us die to a monster we can't report them :/ No spectate is a huge mistake

[young skiff]

Make barbarians slow again

[naive elk]

With the introduction of herbs on craft, we could probably in a near future receive Magical Oil that could be crafted with those herbs aswell. Some examples that I can imagine are:

• +1/2/3 Weapon Damage for 30 seconds.
• Bonus AR for 1min.
• Bonus Magical/Elemetal Damage in the weapon for the next X attacks.
  Magical oil could also have a standard duration like 1min or 30 seconds despite the effect, but how the game work right now (everyone kill anyone in 2-3 hits), something around 20-30 seconds should be enough.

[ripe turtle]

ace skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[spring hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI45bbnV14g even ranger cant outrun 8:19

[drowsy grotto]

Separate scaling for solos, duos and trios. The fact a barb can have 170 health and practically face tank anything is absurd, the fact a warlock can deal 110 health half of it being magic damage just to not be able to be touched afterwards because of dark reflection is stupid, wizard got major magic missal nerf so he has no close range ability, ranger can place 55 traps around an area and make it impossible to actually hit them, bard 😔, cleric has enough healing to practically have 3x the amount of health, rogue can literally land mine and then run away unscathed and completely counters anyone dependent on abilities and fight has stupid amounts of tankability making close range combat borderline impossible. There is an issue with literally every character and since this game is a big match of rock paper scissors without balancing per gamemode it literally makes it so it's unfair in one scenario but completely fine in the other. This is all for solos btw, I don't want to flood the chat by mentioning trios and duos but atleast seperate solo scaling with duo and trio.

[orchid cypress]

The balance on this game right now is non-existent. They need to redo all classes and use some big brains

[drowsy grotto]

Exactly, but when they do start balancing (which they said they'd do, I think?) it'd be way better if they balanced based on mode instead of general or else certain classes are useless.

[proper shuttle]

barb is balanced af rn lol, only class thats not a problem

[bold steppe]

PATCH NOTES

rangers buffed
Lol, lmao even. guess its safe to keep it uninstalled

[outer lotus]

That seems like a skill issue

[cunning kindle]

Revert HALF of these changes. Why can I not spectate the people teaming in every single lobby just because one of them is so bad that they can't hit me. The amount of teaming is worse now than ever because it's so easy for people to get away with it. What the fuck was the thought process behind making it so you can't actually see and select the people doing this

[graceful frost]

Huh. Most recent patch had 2 ranger nerfs.

[jovial vessel]

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I wish that the stats were further calculated and explained within game like a pop up window. League of Legends does a good job of this sometimes, displaying the hard mathematical calculations of stats and showing you their adjustments and effects in real time. You can find this information on a wiki, but I wish it was visible in game so I could better view stat adjustments in both the lobby as well as mid match

[abstract flume]

Hi Graysun, I just wanted to ask why do you guys feel ranger is in such a bad spot that it always needs buffs? When almost all the player base has reasons on why it should be nerfed? Thanks, it is just extreme confusing when we wait for the next patch or hot fix to have some balance come to ranger and then it's either untouched or buffed

[nimble igloo]

Rangers triple shot does a little too much burst damage, each arrow should do 75% damage to balance it

[verbal shell]

For the love of god, please let me buy 3 packs of potions and bandages. thank you

[bold steppe]

No, they fixed a bug with the cooldown. That's not a nerf, that's fixing a bug as it wasn't supposed to work the way it did. Their intended change to the balance were ranger skill buffs and longbow damage buff; the only nerf regarding ranged was crossbow damage nerf.

Love extraction games, been playing them for years. can't stand how absolutely horrid the balance is in this game. The damage they can do should be dropped until they can actually implement a system where using a bow isn't free kills every match with how insanely easy it is to kill someone with them vs how hard it is for the poor, non-fighter chump to kill me

[wintry egret]

they buff them because they only look at the stat numbers, because ranger is predominatly played by the more Call of duty not alot of brain function crowd, it looks like the ranger is bad due to user error even though its a very easy for casual player class, so they see those stats as ranger not good and buff the ranger

[graceful frost]

Yea it was a bug fix, but it still is a nerf. Its the same as a +10 second cooldown

[bold steppe]

By that logic, it's a "nerf" when, say, a barbarian's crush ability just one-shots anyone that blocks due to a bug in the code and it gets fixed

that's not a "nerf" that's a FIX. If the thing is supposed to work like A, but instead it does X, then it's not a nerf to make it function the way it's supposed to. It would be a nerf to intentionally change A to B because A was overperforming. But they didn't do that. They BUFFED the rangers, and when they buffed them they messed up the cooldown by accident, so they fixed it. It's still a buff from what it was before; fixing something that was functioning in a way it wasn't supposed to is neither buff nor nerf; it's making sure it functions as intended.

[graceful frost]

It is a fix? But it is still an overall nerf to the class.

It is still a 10 second longer cooldown even if its from a bug fix

[umbral raptor]

maybe let us see how much health the guy who killed us has i.e. damage dealt? Seeing how much damage i took is irrelevant given i already know how much health i have

[winter bison]

New skill for rogue, give him the Naruto run (sprint). honestly just because it would be funny to see no other reason really. I could see people giving up invis for this possibly imo invis is annoying and its not an outplay when you literally cannot see it.

[jovial tinsel]

Rogue can’t even kill its targets when they ambush people without having stacked gear, the class is a joke already.

[winter bison]

the way rogue should play is as a counter to rangers and wizards and fare decent vs clerics and warlocks. not tank killers the weak point needs a total rework geared towards backline not for vsing the frontline of a group. with a mobility skill enabling rogue to bypass the front and kill those rangers without having to hope they push past you while you wait invis theres potential in a totally new gameplay style

[worldly storm]

nobody fucking likes being forced to play a map they dont want to can you please change this shit

[jagged fjord]

You can still play all 3 maps...

[jagged fjord]

New death screen is so bad, we can't even report the whole cheating squad

[indigo needle]

bring back spectating bro dumbest fucken idea to take it away

[glacial sphinx]

kinda agree I had a lot of fun with some of the stuff I spectated, dnno if the cure isn't worse than the disease in this case

[jagged fjord]

What did it solve? Was it so premade cross teamers can't spectate?

[indigo needle]

no clue but its such a stupid idea

[jagged fjord]

That's the only thing I can think of, and even that is a bad reason and bad solution to that problem

#📢announcements message

We have modified the spectator mode for High-Roller dungeons so teamers can’t use the feature to disclose the location of legitimate players.

Ruin it for 99% of players to not even stop the <1%, but to make it harder for them. Wow

[indigo needle]

bruh lame

[edgy mason]

🇳 🇪 🇷 🇫 🇷 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇷
🇧 🇺 🇫 🇫 🇼 🇮 🇿 🇦 🇷 🇩

[cunning gorge]

🇳 🇪 🇷 🇫 🇷 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇷
🇧 🇺 🇫 🇫 🇼 🇮 🇿 🇦 🇷 🇩

[empty valve]

Ew if you feel like wiz needs a buff youre a shitty wizard

[edgy mason]

Wizard cant compete with ranger in solos maybe in trios but ranger is just ez asf

[empty valve]

Oh nah Im not saying dont nerf ranger, but if you think wiz needs a buff youre insane

[sleek tusk]

this map rotation is terrible. Nobody I play with wants to play trios on any map other then crypts. Is it just me and my friends that hate this or is it the majority who could care less also?

[proper shuttle]

Map roto is butt

[glacial sphinx]

lotta people play duo or solo and like crypts too, so then they don't mind as much or even prefer having some easier crypts games. I'd be pissed i was forced to play 3 man GC as well though. Ruins imo is a fun map though.

[reef otter]

Please make rangers have to take a perk to use traps, and instead of buying traps the trap deployment is free and only one trap may be used at a time. 60-90 second cooldown

have to take a skill* not a perk

[sudden mesa]

we need less rng for quests

[limpid zodiac]

Make every kill in HR worth 100 AP to incentivize pvp and make taking gear from killing people less of a downside.

[north falcon]

🇳 🇪 🇷 🇫 🅱️ 🇦 🇷 🇩 so broken can kill everyone with no effort takes little gear to be op moves and swings so fast nerf there buff durration -8% isnt good enough on a class that is buff focused honestly they only have negative -4% physical dmg that needs to be -40% like how there magic power used to be now its only -20% but who cares also when they do shreik of weakness it needs another nerf to range we should be able to hit then 2-3 times before they can pull out a weapon to defend themselves also why does the class even need to buff when allegro and accelerando last for 6 seconds now god forbid they can have a buff last for a fight or do you think we get kills that fast honestly im trying to be sarcastic but you all get the point im making hear the class is not fun and just sucks to play there are just better options hope you all have a great holiday

also would love to get feedback on how bard is doing this wipe idk if ironmace will even read this but the class hurts to play and I would love to see some much needed love to the class

[drowsy grotto]

nerf barbs range options

[drowsy grotto]

Just hit them twice or once depending on class

[zenith stratus]

barb = better bard lel

[silver dock]

XD I just asked how the game is doing and I see that its worse than when I left. They JUST updated shield smash to finally block attacks. But in general many of these changes make no sense and I have no idea which ones are liked or not to know if they are listening to the players at all or even test their game. The more I see the patches the more I see the game getting more and more restricted. Forcing more on players as they cant seem to balance anything. They should really go back to patch 17 from the looks of it. The game wasnt bleeding outa every hole then

[drowsy grotto]

What are you talking about

[silver dock]

Nothing really. Some people argued that the game was in a good spot of that it would grow again. But I see they were wrong and I was safe in avoiding playing the game again till they make actual fixes

[drowsy grotto]

I wasn't commenting on anything you said tho, I have zero clue what you're talkin about in full honesty.

[silver dock]

I was just adding on. Its just ironic that as soon as I ask about the state of the game multiple people say something about rouges, and I see your comment which tells me the game is infact not going so well

[drowsy grotto]

I mean it's literally just a big game of RPS where random scenarios ruin balancing

[silver dock]

Thats very true, but it seems as of late many more factors in the game have been effected by the poor choices of the devs.

[worn lava]

Add a killcam into the game when you die you can see the player who killed you perspective and if you notice something fishy and perhaps they are cheating you could add a feature to the report system where it'll clip that kill cam for you devs to see and look over and judge for yourself if indeed there were cheats

[flat rivet]

I can't play the game, when I open the game I get a black screen with the background sound and from there I can't do anything I have to turn off and on my pc. Can anyone help me please

[warm garden]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517010/cleric-spells-intereacting-with-lobby-dummies

I ask for votes to allow spellcasters to see numbers on dummies!!

There are some spells that are neglected that would help future builds for players.

[proven vortex]

Game way better than at launch, last patch was all wins other than the forced map rotation and random ranger buffs

[proven vortex]

Based on your overall sentiment though you wouldn't enjoy the game if you were that displaced before, it's just not for you.

[timid hill]

If a player dies to a mob, storm, or kills themselves (Warlock) it doesnt count towards your kills. even though u left them at 1hp. Can you change this mechanic?

[static gazelle]

Barbarian is in need of a serious nerf, its turned out to be just hit q to win

[jagged flicker]

I suggest that there should be HR rotations and Normals Rotations out of sync. So that there's a 2/3 chance to play the maps you want at the right size.

If that makes sense- Basically every map would have 2/3 of the uptime at any moment, just not HR nessessarily. (trio crypts would only be down 1/3 the time)

I feel this easily fixes the system for folks who want to only play certain maps at a certain size and keeps them up for the MOST time possible.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517147/hr-map-rotation-and-normal-map-rotation-on-seperate-rotations

[graceful frost]

is there any way to find the map role for each enchantment on each armor type?

[queen niche]

I suggest double jump spell for wizard

[gusty wren]

A Pitch: This is just in the next annoucement will be about a release of a new ice/glacier them map. Whats separates this map from the other is the circle, because there isn't one. Players can leave every 8 minutes when the traveling wagon hits its rounds on the map. After the wagon is gone a event will start soon after. This event will either help reset the map with a mighty blizzard were adventures need to hide or huddle next to a warm campfire, to huge ice giants that are returning home from hunting dire wolfs. On top of that the fortune teller's shop will be receiving a rework. With a little bit of coin, you may reroll stats on gear. The friendlier fortune teller the more precise you'll be able to reroll particular trait. There will also be a new potion sold directly from her, the mirror potion. It'll create a mirror image of yourself right next to you that will replicate the reverse motion and actions you do. The Phantom image can take up to 30HP before fading away in smoke.

My second Pitch: Open a tavern map its a 30 player map where theres no time limit, you can leave at anytime and keep gear. Theres three things this provides: the main one is a place where you can hangout with your avatar showing off gear/inventory etc. (not only that you can do physical trades with players in the tavern), second is fun friendly pvp part on the map that allows you to request duels that'll put you in a arena(This is where there can be different map variations, for instance one pvp ground is a flat boxing ring and an other one can be a physical part of the tarven with smashable boxes and ale that can only be picked up and drank durring the duel). With this arena you can have ante fight system(for players fighting n watching) for the duel, so like i said you wont lose your gear but you can bet anything. Note there will be the local goblin clerk(the one that sells random gear) at the bar drink if you talk to him he can do IOWEYOUs and act your bank by having a bag of infite holding on his side. Finally will be mini games, bards can duel each other on the stage(ddr style, or dnd instrument rythm style), you can have a simple verse drinking contest(warning you'll still have to pay per beer!-per tarven owner),arm wrestling contest(str and dex stats actually help or hinder you). And if it helps you can naturally keep everyone out of the tavern by saying its closing time allowing to reset servers n stuff. This will allow you to stop the rotation and providing special incentives for the maps that the players usally like them for.

[silver dock]

I never said it wasnt better than its launch. Saying the prior patch was a win is very subjective. I can agree that it has good parts, but more parts than you mentioned can objectively be seen as not necessary, and or bad. If you actually read you could actually extrapolate solid information that maybe I have been keeping up with the game from at least patch 17. With all the assuming you did I suggest you dont tell people whats for them.

[proven vortex]

I mean, you said yourself you were "safe in avoiding playing the game again until they make actual fixes." And you're coming here looking for opinions about the game, subjective takes. That was mine.

[silver dock]

You can make opinions for sure, no issue there. The issues are that you failed to make them relevant, and failed to use any effort looking into what was fully said to make them. So simply you made half assed and mostly irrelevant comments, which I can assure you I didnt come here for.

A prime example is in what you quoted yourself. They didnt fix any actual issues. The prior update updated some stuff which is nice, but none of which touched on what you can literally read what people are still complaining about. In fact you can say this change brought up more issues than before.

[fathom bolt]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517152/how-to-make-warlock-viable

[sick crane]

Cyclops boulder attack is inconsistent and no indicator to react. Also map rotations make it harder to do quest. Map rotations should have its own seperate queue from the original solos,duos, and trios. Make the Leathersmith quest done on kills not pelt.

Drop rates for certain materials is ridiculous for quests and needs to be raised.

[jagged flicker]

I suggest that there should be HR rotations and Normals Rotations out of sync. So that there's a 2/3 chance to play the maps you want at the right size.

If that makes sense- Basically every map would have 2/3 of the uptime at any moment, just not HR nessessarily. (trio crypts would only be down 1/3 the time)

I feel this easily fixes the system for folks who want to only play certain maps at a certain size and keeps them up for the MOST time possible.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517147/hr-map-rotation-and-normal-map-rotation-on-seperate-rotations

[gusty wren]

common drop material items should have way more consisantly i need 9 bread for 2 quest only gotten 4 in 40 hours of gameplay, just sayin

goblin cave needs to revert to 7 players per map then 8 for solo to much cluster and doesnt makes sense either n lore aspect

[smoky hawk]

BRING BACK THE TAVERN PLEEEEAASSEE

[obtuse lichen]

Please add more content and make the game less boring and less meta dependent
Comp players are quitting the game

[lament sequoia]

do people actually enjoy the range meta

[glacial sphinx]

no previous meta was better imo, quickshot is actually just MM but with faster projectiles anyway unless you're a PDR fighter

[twilit tartan]

When is not Ranger meta tho ?

[obtuse lichen]

But against quickshot you have PDR meanwhile MM was shredding everyone because MR is hard to stack

[chrome dragon]

They should make the boxes in the pregame lobby, but they should drop zero stat party hats anyone can wear.

[obtuse lichen]

When wizard got overbuffed and everyone started to pick wizard instead of ranger

[chrome dragon]

They should make the boxes in the pregame lobby, but they should drop zero stat party hats anyone can wear.

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[twilit tartan]

True True but there a skill cap in how you play wizard and how you play ranger don't you think ? 🙂

[silver dock]

Over buffed, how many patches ago? The only time they were overly picked seems like ages ago, but that died so quickly just as they would die in dungeons quickly. I can be wrong, but what I'm pretty sure of at least is that they've nerfed wizards pretty consistently for the past seven or eight patches, the prior one is especially big.

[pale ruin]

Like very lately we had wizards Magic Missile outdpsing any melee by a lot. Was nuts.

[unique mountain]

in new patch give flamaster to new changes cuz some people are blind

[late dome]

Santa should give out a free legendary item for Christmas

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517147/hr-map-rotation-and-normal-map-rotation-on-seperate-rotations Crypts trio (and all maps) would have 2/3 an uptime per rotation. Just make them out of sync so there's 2 of each at a given time. (most of the time)

[fathom bolt]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517152/how-to-make-warlock-viable

[silver dock]

A spell sending out 10 missiles that did 12 dmg + scaling doing more dps than melee, who could imagine? So you want a spell meant to take on melees at the cost of standing still and more to do less damage than what melees can do?

[pale ruin]

What? Magic missile is not meant to be able to take on melees all the time. Wizard is a ranged class and should have to atleast soften them up first with other spells and not just outdps everyone. And im saying this as a wiz main who got to #3 GCHR wiz by just abusing mm.

[twilit tartan]

True story Casting Magic missiles , Ranger 2 shot headshot with white long bow that wizard hmmmm

[pale ruin]

I mean you dont really magic missile a ranger, found that out the hard way.

[silver dock]

So you dont know what youre talking about, got it. What is magic missile for them if not to take on melees? You just said not to use it on rangers sooo...? Saying you used a spell isnt abusing it, thats not how it works, kid. Whats there to abuse? Not sure why you want to argue when you think a glass cannon class that is meant to do heavy damage isnt supposed to out dps anyone. Yeah no need to have this conversation with you, you clearly are talking only out of biased opinions with no relevance to facts.

[twilit tartan]

What i mean in order for even a geared wizard to delete some one with missiles you need to get multiple hits by missiles how ever a ranger with just perks + white long bow can easy one and a half 2 tab a wizard especial that with wizards movement speed reduce while casting is a easy target practice

[pale ruin]

Ill gladly end the argument here, have a good day!

[silver dock]

No use in talking to the kid. They clearly have shown no idea of what they are talking about. The contradiction in saying that you arent supposed to use mm on melees but then saying not to use it on rangers. What are they abusing if it isnt supposed to be used on anyone then? They are so easy to rebuttal.

[silver dock]

I mean what else could there be said by you? Merry Christmas

[marble niche]

i wanna play 2 hand cleric, i don't wanna play like a smite cleric, only caster. add 2-3 simple skill/buff and 2 hand

[dull finch]

a trading channel in the discord would be sick for unique and nameds only

[warm ledge]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517230/add-fsr-30-compatibility-and-give-your-community-extra-fps

hey guys can you vote my suggestion ? 🙂 @dawn grotto please consider adding FSR 3.0 🙏

[worldly monolith]

your monster and player kills should count if you still die

player kills need way more points

[nocturne forge]

bring back tavern lobby and remove mao rotation ffs

[graceful frost]

No player kills shouldn’t lol

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/517147/hr-map-rotation-and-normal-map-rotation-on-seperate-rotations Crypts trio (and all maps) would have 2/3 an uptime per rotation. Just make them out of sync so there's 2 of each at a given time. (most of the time)

The HR and Normal rotations only have to not be exactly the same for this to work.

[final birch]

Please make a gift option for ironmace launcher

i wanna gift my friend the game but cant

[north falcon]

🇳 🇪 🇷 🇫 🅱️ 🇦 🇷 🇩 so broken can kill everyone with no effort takes little gear to be op moves and swings so fast nerf there buff durration -8% isnt good enough on a class that is buff focused honestly they only have negative -4% physical dmg that needs to be -40% like how there magic power used to be now its only -20% but who cares also when they do shreik of weakness it needs another nerf to range we should be able to hit then 2-3 times before they can pull out a weapon to defend themselves also why does the class even need to buff when allegro and accelerando last for 6 seconds now god forbid they can have a buff last for a fight or do you think we get kills that fast honestly im trying to be sarcastic but you all get the point im making hear the class is not fun and just sucks to play there are just better options hope you all have a great holiday

also would love to get feedback on how bard is doing this wipe idk if ironmace will even read this but the class hurts to play and I would love to see some much needed love to the class

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/472805/tone-back-the-bard-nerfs

[late dome]

They already do count

[rare sparrow]

I SUGGEST THEY MAKE IT SO THAT AP ACTUALLY WORKS CORRECTLY INSTEAD OF ME QUEUING INTO A HIGH ROLLER AS A PURPLE RANK, THEN IT SHOWS ME I AM IN NEOPHYTE IN THE GAME, THEN AT THE END I GET LIKE 400 AP BECAUSE NEOPHYTE IS A JOKE, AND THEN NONE OF IT COUNTS TOWARDS ANYTHING AND MY AP IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS BEFORE I STARTED THE GAME

[austere nacelle]

map rotation is so cancer. why are players forced to play certain things and forced to not be able to play certain things unless they wait for like 30 min's... so dumb

[small furnace]

I like map rotation but I think maybe it should be like two options instead of one. I might be biased though because I genuinely hate when ruins is the only queueable option.

Like genuinely every map layout feels good except ruins and the one hybrid goblin caves layout.

[austere nacelle]

goblin caves is terrible as trio cause its too small and not meant for trio, its still built for solo's no matter how many people you throw in there. i personally hate ruins, so im already not liking being forced to play that or wait, and crypts isnt meant to be solo, its built for trio's to handle the pve. and wether they adjusted the maps accordingly to balance them for 1's, 2's and/or 3's or not, it would still be a bad move to separate the queues's to allow you to choose whatever party size you want on whatever map you want, because then it would seperate the playerbase WAY too much and there wouldnt be enough people to play a lot of certain maps/modes in certain regions. like it may not be that big of a problem for US east, but for a lot of others it would be an issue for sure. i understand that there are people who want to play as solo or duo on more maps then just goblin caves or ruins, but this current system we have is horrible and the worst way possible to implement it. how are players expected to kill 15 lich's and 10 ghost king's on top of all the other things when they can only get 1 MAYBE 2 games of crypts in assuming its a full raid to the end before they have to wait for 30 fucking minutes just to be able to access crypts again with their team. its so dumb and not well thought out at all

[flint fractal]

Potentially, they could remove the mmr, and have options for every map, they might all still fill in a reasonable amount of time, though some maps may favor the newbies and others the hardcore gamers

Can't say that for positive though, but I think it would be worth testing out

[austere nacelle]

hell the mmr is irrelevant at this point. pro's with demigod status out here matching up with green ranks and slaying them of course. shits disgusting. even in norms its still a joke.

[flint fractal]

Still, I find that the game has been a lot more fun being able to play in any map with any class, though I can't deny ruins is completely full of rogues in my experience, and with the dagger buffs they're able to kill me a little too easily to my liking.

I like playing rogue, but with too many rogues, everywhere feels like strike first or die
Sometimes I can get w keyed too haha

[small furnace]

The quests in themselves are just poorly designed.

There's 3 crypts bosses, you don't always to make it to inferno but when you do it's a 1/3 chance. Assuming you are perfect that's approx 45 runs to complete it, but given how many runs end before you get to inferno, or in inferno with another team interrupting you it's more likely to be in the 100s of runs. Quests should be hard, but not THIS grindy

[flint fractal]

That does in particular annoy me, I agree
With the 30 minute timer, it makes trying to grind out the boss quests nearly impossible