suggestion-discussion

[spark crest]

You can do it just by left clicking on them

[somber wind]

I did not notice I could do that LUL

[spark crest]

Now you do

[noble orbit]

maybe a warlock shouldnt be able to smack me with a 2 hand staff and one shot me when im wearing full purple plate armor

terrible game for that i regret spending money honestly. blue staff with metiocre stats. one shots a fighter with all purple plate armor. unbalanced trash right there

[spark crest]

Plate vs magic, you joking?

[noble orbit]

a 2 handed staff, literal one shot

[spark crest]

Fyi boc last for short period, wait for it expire first my dude

[noble orbit]

more like plate vs a wooden stick, dumb design

[spark crest]

Learn from your own mistake and adopt it.

[noble orbit]

my mistake was spending 35 dollars on a game where a caster can one shot me with a wooden stick

[spark crest]

Git gud, bye

[noble orbit]

think with your brain , its a terrible concept for a squishy little mage to one shot a fighter in full plate armor with melee. idc to get good at a game that bad

[stiff atlas]

so why is the idea of locking a specific region literally banned from being typed? literally all good games that want to survive the market do it

[tulip birch]

@keen onyx this suggestion channel feels completely pointless. rogue is op and busted, you buff rogue into the sky, ranger is busted and op, you don't nerf ranger since pt3 and actually buff them, cleric can two tap anyone with smite which is busted, warlock one taps people with boc and dark reflection. can you simply... just simply remove all the one shots from the game. just don't have anything in the game that one shots people in an ALL LOOT pvp game? hmm?

@keen onyx and in passing go ahead and make all ranged weapons do like... idk half the damage they do so that this game won't just be an FPS.

[noble orbit]

i second that, i shouldnt get one shot in full purple gear with jewelry

maybe two or 3 shot if they also have good gear. but literally getting one shot by a wooden stick is demoralizing.

[tulip birch]

idk man maybe give everyone like 3 times the hp

that could solve it. idk don't make the pvp unplayable and also lock a skin behind rankings that need to be maintained til end of season. i might as well just wait til it's almost over and i know some patch isnt gonna push my playstyle out of the meta.

[noble orbit]

thats a little excessive, ii just think 1 shots should be removed. why cant they 2 shot me like a juiced barb

[tulip birch]

it just feels bad right now. issues are now compounding. it's like the devs don't actually pvp. like if you're not gonna pvp make the game a pve game.

[rigid prawn]

What’s wrong with a warlock killing a negative mr fighter with a magic ability? Literally block it with your shield lol

[noble orbit]

full hp with all purple armor and jewelry deserves to be 1 thumped by somebody melee swinging a wooden stick. listen to yourself

[rigid prawn]

Your armor is working against you, your better off naked in that scenario if your rocking full plate

[noble orbit]

not even a 2 hit. just one whack. all your gear gone . because he had a blue wooden stick with 0 stats

[rigid prawn]

He had magic pen because of your plate armours negative mr, you made it hit harder because of the gear you were wearing g

[noble orbit]

its busted and you know it. i know my armor is working against me, i know its an ability. its just unbalanced to me

[spark crest]

Whiner gonna whine, pointless to being logical to him

[rigid prawn]

It’s working as intended though, this has been the case since the playtests. Run slayer fighter and stomp warlocks if it bothers you that much

Things need counters, if the fighter wasn’t weak to magic, plate would be blatantly busted

[noble orbit]

logic is saying i agree and understand everything you are saying, i just think its unbalanced. agree to disagree i guess. you think its balanced to melee one tap a fully geared fighter . i think thats trash

it can still be weak to magic without getting one shot. it can be a 2 slap. thatd stil be really strong !

[rigid prawn]

Like I said you were better off stripping g your gear and figuring him in your skivvies. If he’s rocking gear and your also amplifying his damage the one shot starts to make more sense no?

[spark crest]

And this balance issue can be fixed by how you execute it. If its dark reflection that hit you hard, just use ranged to deactivate it first. For boc ive given the counter way to you already

[noble orbit]

and thats dumb to me. im better off removing all of my purple gear, because this magic caster is going to melee one shot me with a wooden stick? i understand you are correct, thats how the game works. im telling you thats terrible

[rigid prawn]

It’s a 1 trick pony ability as well, one block means you now have full advantage it’s one of the most predictable and easy to counter abilities in the game lol

[spark crest]

This is the kind of game require player learn to adopt different play style for different situation. As if you dont accept it the game is not for you

[rigid prawn]

Just take the l and learn from it. Next time the warlocks holding a glowing stick get ready for the overhead swing

1 block and the situations literally flipped on it’s head. Hell, back pedal and out last the effect and the go in or bait him into swinging and hitting a part of the environment. Lots of ways to deal with that situation, shield by far is the easiest answer though

[noble orbit]

ive played 2 many games with warlocks and have an idea what to expect. itd be like a ranger being the tankiest character. lets give a magic caster the strongest melee hit . might as well make the ranger the tankiest at that point

[rigid prawn]

That analogy only works if the ranger was tanky for 1 hit and then it went on a 20 sec cooldown (or w/e it is I don’t use BOC)

It’s a very simple 1 trick, it’s literally the same danger as a barb with reckless except they are 10x less dangerous after they land or fuck ip the first hit

Warlocks are casters and excel in that roll, BOC is a gimmick at best

[noble orbit]

its 1 trick for sure. its just not a trick a WARLOCK should have IMO, call it whining i guess. but when its nerfed dont be surprised

[lucid vortex]

Please make the timing on the Cyclops rock drop phase easier to dodge.

parrying cave troll is easier than this shit

[rigid prawn]

It’s a non existent issue because it’s only really effective against people who have never seen it before / underestimate it. Just avoid melee combat with them until it goes on cooldown or block it like the chad fighter you are and proceed to show him your fighters melee dominance

Or run slayer fighter and remove the mr penalties entirely

[noble orbit]

i understand for the 3rd time probably now... it just doesnt fit for a warlock to me. its cool you can counter it, i shouldnt have to worry about blocking a 1 shot melee hit by a CASTER. itd be like the barbarian throwing lightning bolts and you arguing for me to just adapt. like can you just admit a stupid barbarian shouldnt have that

or a warlock shouldnt one hit someone melee with a damn stick XD like nobody should even have to try to counter it because it is a garbage concept

[rigid prawn]

A caster that can wield halberds lol. I think your just applying your pre-existing understanding of what you think a warlock is instead of looking at the class as a whole objectively. Warlocks are spell swords in this game, he’s applying a magic buff to his weapon and than hitting you with it to transfer the magic into you. It’s not a garbage concept if it has valid counter play and is readable af.

IMO it’s even the worst way to build a warlock, caster warlock is supreme and phantomize has way more utility, as the other guy said it’s really a git gud situation and that’s solid advice

[noble orbit]

i absolutely am applying prexisting understanding of what a warlock is

[rigid prawn]

What a warlock is differed heavily in media, this game takes heavy inspiration from TTD&D and warlocks have subclasses that allow them to wear full plate and be melee focused (pact of the blade). Hell if they actually go through with adding multi classing to the game like they’ve stated in the past a full plate warlock or a lightning flinging barb might not be that out of the question in DAD

[zenith gulch]

Suggestion to remove Mix and match maps in goblin caves.

1. Poorly made
2. Very Unbalanced
3. Too little space to have proper fight
4. It's bad

[hollow agate]

Cap fighter PDR at 45%. 60-70% is ridiculous.

[earnest night]

just give me the OG LR map the other ones are trash, sorry but it's true

[zenith gulch]

Yep, OG map and OG high roller map are the best, the mixed version is very horrible and poorly made

[plush roost]

Add filters for equipable by class since different class specific trading posts were removed

[graceful frost]

Yeah the mixed sucks and og is amazing. Im not much of a fan of the hr one really, not having 2 playable layers makes it so much worse

[spark crest]

Nerf felling axe

• In white it deal 80dmg in head.
• Animation reset upon hits which make its attack speed almost even to one handed weapon. Its way too fast as two handed weapon.
• Blocking also slow down for 1 second or lower, the window not big enough to counter attack.
• only way to counter are waiting for a miss.

One mistake could be fatal

[wicked spindle]

Make it where you receive your quest rewards when completing a quest. i didnt get my 15 gold pouches from mimics and money

[earnest remnant]

#game-discussion message i want to promote this feature request by someone else to make into the game - plz guys. this is crazy - imagine playing not only 1 class and having to for example farm 15 wolf pelts on characters - you wont even be done with that before the next reset hits if you dont grind the game 24/7.

[earnest remnant]

yes incentivize more the power creep for the good players - good idea.

[near turtle]

BACK LANTERN WEAPON

[graceful frost]

Yeah this is a change that should happen

[stable cloud]

Magic staff could have increased spell trajectory speed and spell range to make it more of a long range weapon to offset how crap it is short distance

[hushed grove]

why did they add hr ruins when its trio not duo

[graceful frost]

Wait hr ruins is trio?

[hushed grove]

i just met a trio

[graceful frost]

Were they just teaming or actually 3 people in a party in the lobby

[hushed grove]

3 guys in same team like a saw their 3 pictures in the teram thing

[graceful frost]

Wtaf? Does it say trios map in the hr ruins desc or did they mess something up

[hushed grove]

doesnt say anything about team sizes

[deft idol]

It’s an exploit. Report those people

[hushed grove]

too late i left the game

i have a pic of their names tho

[graceful frost]

Ah ok. Ofc it is

[umbral raptor]

Adjust the troll pelt quest? 2% drop rate and often you can't kill it due to zone/spawn, people griefing etc. Done 40 kills on my wiz and still haven't got it... for a 1 and done quest like this seems kinda weird to leave it to pure rng

[graceful frost]

You get a free troll pelt from second tier woodsman quest, use that

[umbral raptor]

brother it needs to be looted not handled

[graceful frost]

Brooooo. These devs

Looks like imma be killing some trolls on my ranger, but last time i did trolls i did like 80 and got 1 pelt

[umbral raptor]

honestly probably not even worth it atm, can see them adjusting it next hotfix

majority of the playerbase won't be able to even kill the troll, let alone kill it that many times for it to drop, quests are meant to be grindy but that is a HARD gate

[graceful frost]

Yeah some if the quests are strait dumb.

20 gold bars, 4 gold gems, troll pelt, 15 lich kills(its party shared now so not as bad) but i have seen 1 lich this wipe

[umbral raptor]

at least all of them arent 2% drop rng lol, gold gems kinda similar tho tbf locked behind HR hell

[graceful frost]

Yeah you need to do hr hell gold pile and even then its rare

And lich is similar. 1/3 chance so 45 games saying you kill it every time. And also the games are twice as long to get there

[umbral raptor]

yeah agree its tough, but like i said at least its not insanely low chance

[graceful frost]

I mean its worse? 50 trolls when you can get guaranteed troll in hr and if you want leave after. Lich is twice as long games, needs 3 ppl to kill and is 1/3

[limber elbow]

How the Fuck can Fighter slow on hit , die so many time because that shit slow on hit , naked and run take 1 hit and slow like barbarian skill all the time , but when i try to play fighter there is no slow WTF

[solemn needle]

Fighter and warlock need a serious revalance before the playerbase just leaves....

[ancient ferry]

fix player list search to include wild cards: the search query should be something like this:

select * from Playerlist WHERE '%' + 'PlayerName' + '%'

or a .contains("PlayerName") if its in c#.

i dont know unity or whatever yall wrote this code in but the wild card search should be allowed to find players where the name is similiar or contains a certain phrase and not just straight up ==

[rigid horizon]

Fighters fine... Outside of alot of shitty skills. Its warlock that needs some loving

I personally think that the class as a whole dosent really work all that well. A weird mash of fighter and a caster that focuses on self healing... Even on paper that sounds like a nightmare to balance.

[noble orbit]

its 15 gold inside a gold pouch lol

[noble orbit]

im geniuenly leaving until they fix warlocks. work in progress is an understatement

[obtuse stone]

please god let us move shit around in our inventory when interacting with things please my OCD ass can't take it anymore

[azure notch]

Please release Damage Numbers, it is way to hard to guess how much damage u are dealing and i think it would bring more "fairness" to the game (talking ingame, when hitting enemys)

[wet pilot]

Make a "lucky coin" item, white rarity to allow it to be brought into normal matches. Have it only be found in royal coffins/gold chests. When flipped in game, has a 50-50 chance of applying the same luck buff as the Potion of Luck.

[languid pebble]

Suggestion, stop nerfing EVERYTHING wizard into the dirt...

[pallid vector]

lol wizard is op asf rn its not even fair, this is from someone who plays wizard

[worldly ridge]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/511476/make-daggers-0-or-5-ms

[quiet hatch]

So I picked the game back up last night and free high rollers and whites in norms is the best thing I had such a blast running through goblins caves on hr snd finding good gear and making money great for solo play and everyone was friendly in lobbies and not griefing fantastic patch

[dusky kernel]

☝️

[languid pebble]

they got no buffs -_- your high as shit

[shut crane]

Can we give bards a couple of new skills?

[near turtle]

is the exclusive skin for the account or only the character ?

[pallid vector]

why would i need buffs when i can 2 tap anyone with a fireball or 3 zaps

[languid pebble]

because you literally cant.........

[spring surge]

Probably been suggested already but please let us turn in quest items one by one, nobody wants to keep a bunch of leather caps or campfires in storage for a quest

[edgy obsidian]

What do you guys think if the Dark and Darker team added a monsetization (very optional) to pay for permanent Bank/Stash space between wipes for Supporters?

Similar to like Path of Exile, where you can get permanent stash space for supporting the devs, everyone wins

[chilly sail]

guys i killed about 10 mimics and not single one countin towards my quest progress any tips ?

[languid pebble]

kill em harder

[pallid vector]

yes u can lol with gear my zaps do 50dmg, fireball 90+ hs

[languid pebble]

fully kitted, you're not killing another fully kitted player in two firballs or 3 zaps. youre not. sorry.

[pallid vector]

skill issue ig

[languid pebble]

🤣 no, no it's not. literally has nothing to do with skill and has to do with mag resist lmfao...fully kitted you literally CANT do enough damage to 2 tap, three tap sure. but in no world are you 2 tappin full kits full health. you simply can not do it.......the math doesnt work dude

[pallid vector]

what magic resist, theres still virtually 0 magic resist in this game, just go watch top rank wizs play and youll be proven wrong lol

[small furnace]

No shot they make it character exclusive. That would be an insane decision

[lime parrot]

can some1 tell me a good build and perks for warlock solos?

[somber wind]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/511902/lantern-perk-for-fighter

A balanced way to return Lantern Slayer Fighter.

[tulip birch]

@keen onyx PLEASE REMOVE BOC

@keen onyx MELEE FEELS WORSE THAN IT'S EVER FELT IN ANY GAME I'VE EVER PLAYED.

[fathom bolt]

stop holding w, BoC doesnt last forever then goes on cooldown for twice its duration

[tulip birch]

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU DON'T RUSH WARLOCK HE GETS FREE EASIEST TO AIM ABILITY IN THE GAME SELF HEALS PLUS DAMAGE ON YOU. YOU'RE INSANE

[fathom bolt]

I know exactly what im talking about this class is 90% of my playtime lmao

But if you dont want any tips please continue being free loot for warlock players

[tulip birch]

THAT JUST PROVES YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. YOU JUST ADMITED TO PLAYING 1/8TH OF THE CLASSES

[fathom bolt]

you might want to retake some math classes

[tulip birch]

1 OF HOW EVER MANY CLASSES THERE ARE. MY POINT STANDS

[somber wind]

I think Ray of Darkness does deserve a nerf but nothing radical (Maybe going down from 12 to 10 (It doesn't need to go all the way back down to 6)) and Dark Reflection needs to not be Dark Damage as to not synergize with Soul Collector as for some classes full Soul Collector Dark Reflection can just 1 tap them from full health LUL.

Otherwise I think Warlock is fine, BoC is for sure scary but I think the Class needs it.

[tulip birch]

IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED OR SHOULD NOT DO DAMAGE. WARLOCK SHOULD BE INCAPABLE OF ONE TAPPING ANYONE WITH MELEE

[somber wind]

Dude you need to turn caps lock off.

[fathom bolt]

the soul collector buff did not need to happen, i dont think IM actually knows what theyre buffing lmfao

[somber wind]

Oh 100% I would undo the Soul Collector buff as well personally LUL It was fine before. Just farm spiders with it.

[fathom bolt]

I think buffs like that will make the class look way stronger than it is while the rest of the kit suffers lol, id prefer if they buffed other parts of the class

[tulip birch]

II CAN HAVE MY KEYBOARD CONFIGURED AS I LIKE

@tulip birch WARLOCK IS UNASSAILABLE IN MELEE COMBAT. BEST MELEE COMBAT CLASS IN THE GAME. THIS IS DOGSH**. WHY BOTHER BUFFING BARBARIAN.

[somber wind]

Oh 100%, the rest of the kit needs help. It's the same thing with Bard though, they have a super good high end and a trash low end now because of how they got rebalanced (that said Bard needs alot of changes and seems like some of how it functions is forgotten about; The shield song is just not worth running while being one of the most expensive to equip for example) (I'm also fairly certain Randombrutal is just a troll/baiting at this point so it's not worth interacting with them).

[fathom bolt]

lmao

[tulip birch]

@keen onyx MAKE DARK REFLECTION DO A QUARTER THE DAMAGE THAT IT DOES, MAKE BOC DO 10 DAMAGE LIKE SMITE.

[shut crane]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[somber wind]

How do you feel about bard right now? I've been bard main since release of the class since it spoke to me the most (I like the unlimited casts and the minigame itself, love it's gameplay loop).

[tulip birch]

@keen onyx ALSO WARLOCK SHOULDN'T HAVE FALCHION AT ALL OR THE FALCHION NEEDS SOME SERIOUS REDESIGN. IT NEED A DAMAGE NERF, AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE LESS RANGE THAN THE ARMING SWORD

@keen onyx IM MAKING THESE AS SUGGESTIONS BUT THEY SHOULD BE FAIRLY OBVIOUS IF YOU'VE PLAYED THE GAME FOR MORE THAN 5 MINUTES\

@keen onyx L PATCH, IM LOGGING OFF.

[spring surge]

Is this guy regarded?

[dusky kernel]

[fathom bolt]

Needs less gear reliance, it offers buffs no one else does so I think it’s still good but annoying to gear

[jade tartan]

Make it so the single on hit trigger skills like Boc are removed if they are blocked once currently the only counter play they have is if you try to run or block till the timer runs out they should be high risk high reward skills and currently they just aren't(I am big dumb and apparently this is already a thing)

[fathom bolt]

BoC is removed if you block it

If your weapon collides with anything it goes away

[jade tartan]

Wait really? Since when I swear I just played a game where I blocked boc twice and it didn't go away

[fathom bolt]

Maybe it’s bugged now? Lmao

I heard blocking was bugged this patch but maybe it causes errors functionally with BoC

[jade tartan]

Yeah maybe I'll trust you since you main the class and all thanks for the reply

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

Also...why can't we craft silver throwables that do extra damage to the undead?

[restive cipher]

WIZARD STAFF AND SWORD DUALWIELD PLEASE

what can we do to make it happen

[rigid prawn]

Definition of a skill issue block it or time it out and then all in he gets 1 hit lol just counter it

Discount barb, worst build on warlock

[unborn mulch]

Can you sort the fucking spider surfing out on mobs or what? not hard

[rigid prawn]

Add goomba stomp for spiders is what I say

[unborn mulch]

I second that

Jumping on them = splat, not surf's up duddeeeeee

[visual violet]

PLEASE REMOVE LR MAPS FROM HR GC OR ADD MROE LOOT. AT EXEMPLAR ITS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND ENOUGH LOOT

[cold frigate]

Not sure but I blocked it successfully this morning in the one game I played

[hardy vector]

all these buffs and no ranger nerf

[dull jacinth]

If the swing gets cancelled by someone hitting their hand and not the blade it doesn't remove the effect

[languid pebble]

for real

[green vapor]

PLEASE REROLL PEOPLE ARE BREAKING MARKET WITH GOLD DUPE GLITCH!!!!!!!!!

[tawny ivy]

Kinda evens out when everyone’ else is stronger

[formal helm]

i might cry a bit if my quests get rolled back

[ripe turtle]

Would be nice to craft uncommon throwables from weaponsmith with copper ingots. I feel like copper is not that useful, unless you wanna get best uncommon quality item stat rolls which is time consuming. With crafting throwables or any consumables with copper is gonna make it useful for a long haul combined with silver throwable crafting option aswell.

[formal helm]

yeah, its weird we got craftable consumables but only base grade

[ripe turtle]

Indeed. Imagine how valuable copper and silver would get if you can craft throwables with such ingots.

[thin flicker]

I been blocking just fine

[rose lily]

I'm sure they will add more to craft with the other ore types at some point, building the foundation first before building the house.

[ripe turtle]

Everything in time.

[hard meadow]

Oddly enough, you can unequip items while sitting down but you can't equip items lol

[hushed horizon]

reduce the longsword move speed penalty to -35

[buoyant rivet]

Anyone think wizard haste/invis should just be self cast only?

[exotic jay]

Reduce recurve & survival bow move speeds to -30 and -20 or -35 and -25. Doesnt make sense for them to weigh so much since their smaller bows

[modern night]

Give all classes BoC on every hit

[spring hound]

lets just remove the hybrid map on goblin caves, its honestly so terrible.

[wide badge]

Lmao

[solemn needle]

fix the arrow mechanics for real - I cannot believe freaking rangers can sprint while holding bows and insta lock to heads

[thorn mason]

Buff Longsword to 35 MS. Good day.

[oblique hearth]

i think we need like an game mode

arena type like 3 v 3 2 v 2 and 1 v 1 , in some type of ring or arena it would be so fun

[dapper gull]

YO FIX THE FAWKING LAG AND STUTTERING IN THIS GAME. I AM DYING TO THIS SHIT

[worldly ridge]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/511476/make-daggers-0-or-5-ms

daggers are still terrible even with the new perk buffs. here is a way to make them more viable without increasing their damage.

[onyx sky]

Would it be allowed to make a mod for Dark and Darker that displays the sell value of items in your inventory when you view them?

[spark crest]

make dagger better against cloth / leather armor type players, weaker against plate and chainmail

[dapper gull]

Fix the stuttering and the LAG wtf. How tf do you guys have theese kind of server issues in a pvp game

[ornate onyx]

bro you sure you are on the right server?

[dapper gull]

Yes bro. US EAST

[ornate onyx]

europe servers are fine i dunno

[obtuse stone]

Rogue players are not interested in playing like rogues which is why they will never be satisfied no matter how strong the class is

stop letting these players hold everyone hostage

[abstract vortex]

Massively disagree^ I’m a rogue main and I play sneaky and wait for my moments to strike, that’s what the class is built around. If you’re being held hostage by a rogue then it’s skill issue.

[obtuse stone]

nope it's the devs allowing this class to hold the playerbase hostage

[abstract vortex]

That’s absurd, do you even have any legitimacy to what you’re saying?

[ornate onyx]

just stat check em with one of your mains (all 3 classes you have tags for can do that if the rogue isnt full bis)

[obtuse stone]

oh just like ranger right? because surely ranger and rogue players will just let you walk up to them and stat check them for free

so disturbing these players get to dictate game balance because they complain the loudest
they tasted release rogue and now they will never be satisfied until it's at that strength again or stronger

[daring ginkgo]

@obtuse stone I miss being able to w key with rouge and instakill people though, in all seriousness I watched a rouge 3 shot a 55% pdr fighter today in the fighter channel, shit was wild, imagine playing your role as a tank and dying in 1.3 seconds to a short sword lmfao

[soft grove]

Lower AP for goblin HR please, you get no kill assist to anything

[lofty socket]

핵쟁이게임 esp좀 쳐잡아라 진짜
죄다 핵쓰고있네

[narrow mauve]

Extremely seriously consider, no not consider. DO, ABSOLUTELY DO. Reduce the time for zone collapse. It is aboslutely, indefinitely impossible to have any sort of rewarding and constructive gameplay in the current state. FFS!

[real trellis]

Can you knock it off with the quintuple negatives and speak plainly please

by 'reduce the time for zone collapse' do you mean make them collapse faster or slower

[narrow mauve]

no im drunk no i cannot no sair

collapse slower, no time to prep, no time to fight, no time to prepare

[real trellis]

understandable

And I agree the circles could be a bit slower.

[narrow mauve]

I think thats what i mean

[hard meadow]

Honestly the LS should be -30. It handles like a mix of a two-handed weapon and a one-handed weapon; the damage is only slightly higher than the Falchion and the slow on hit is between the Falchion and the Arming Sword.

[hard meadow]

You don't want the Survival having a 20ms penalty once Rangers learn what Crippling Shot does

[tepid olive]

[wooden brook]

turn down mob density in every map

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[wooden brook]

make rouge invis like wizard so if they move while invis you see the outline

[silver kelp]

you know half of a rogues kit is going invis and the other half is getting enough damage to actually have a chance at winning 1v1, rogue invis suckss i would rather play no-cast warlock

[ripe prairie]

has to be the worst update to trading just add an auction house

[umbral wyvern]

https://twitter.com/gregorlennartz/status/1730967178709549252

[silk monolith]

i would love to see alchemist and surgeon sell stacks of heals, really small change but would be nice QoL imo

[solemn needle]

fix fighter mechanics - it blows my mind how fast they can attack and block.... is just ridiculous

[silk monolith]

also, infinite stock for luck potions would be really nice, mainly for grinding HR

currently just waiting for the restock in 5 mins to go back in

and if there was infinite stock you could buy luck for your buddies if you were generous

[tulip birch]

@keen onyx YOU ARE GOING TO FORCE US TO WITNESS THE BRILLIANCE OF YOUR DESIGN EVEN IF WE DON'T LIKE IT. JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT FROM TIME TO TIME WE NEED A REPRIEVE.

@keen onyx I AM WILLING TO TEST BREAKING THE GAME, BUT YOU'VE RUINED EVERY OTHER GAME FOR ME, SO FROM TIME TO TIME I NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. I WILL CONSIDER INSERTING HUMOR INTO MY FATHOMLESS RAGE TO LUBRICATE COMMUNICATIONS. THE ALL CAPS ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. LOVE FOR THE ART!

@keen onyx I AM A HARSH CRITIC BECAUSE THERE'S NO TIME TO SETTLE DOWN. THE INFO NEEDS TO GET OUT. FOR ME TO EVEN BEGIN TO EXPRESS MY ACTUAL APPRECIATION FOR THE GAME WOULD OVERWHELM ME, SO I RESORT TO ANGER AS IT TENDS TO SOLVE MOST OF MY PROBLEMS

from a gamer who has learned to lean into the tilts. but my INPUT will be RB's Barbicu and that is where I GRILL. But even when im grillin' im cookin' with love. just tastes better that way. peace

[glacial sphinx]

Agree, this invis with after image is bad

[silk monolith]

yeah i've always thought it should be self cast only but true invis-- maybe if they feel like thats too much they could remove the move speed bonus, or even give it like -10% move speed

[solemn needle]

Revert invis and revert magic missile ridiculous damage or at least amount of uses

[spring hound]

lets just remove the hybrid map on goblin caves, its honestly so terrible.
bump!

[lone crescent]

Agree, in HR it's painful to play

[small furnace]

Which map are you talking about

[spring hound]

THE HYBRID

[small furnace]

I don't get what "The Hybrid" means in this case

[spring hound]

the newer third map or whatever, the one the added most recently to normal goblin caves, now they added it to hr aswell

there was originally 1 normal goblin caves map, and 1 hr map. they added a third shitty one that is honestly so bad its like garunteed bullshit is gonna happen on it

[raw helm]

aren't there two hybrid maps

[spring hound]

no just 1

3 goblin cave maps in total, normal, hr, and hybridmcshitface

[lucid vortex]

Holy fuck the rock phase on the cyclops is not fucking fair bro, I jump 5 times in a row on the same timing every time and 3 times it dodges and 2 times it doesn't I get hit by like 4 fucking rocks on each of them and I'm instantly dead. I can dodge the fucking troll high low consistently and I can't jump fucking cyclops stagger phase what the fuck.

Can't we fucking nerf it so that it's actually playable or at least consistent.

I unironically had more fun with the boss when it was fucking bugged even though there was no threat because this just straightup feels unfair to play against. I can play the rest of the fight literally perfect without taking a singular hit and rock phase will literally kill me almost every time because the timing is inconsistent on it or it's just too tight.

Like what is my mistake I'm jumping a frame too early or a frame too late? I literally have a timer on a second monitor set up with a macro on my jump button so I can see what timing I'm exactly jumping at

my margin of error is .04 off of .5, like what are you fucking kidding with me?

Just give me troll boss every time at least it's winnable.

[long nacelle]

Anyone else struggling with this wisp quest since theres like 2-3 per map on 1 of 3 maps?

[lucid vortex]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512091/cyclops-rock-phase-needs-to-be-fixed Please upvote

[grizzled token]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512092/skinning-knife-utility-item What do you think?

[echo dome]

take the red felling axe skelly out of normals non hell plz or at least dont make it the first mob i encounter lmao

[wide lagoon]

Can someone make a suggestion to add more descriptive text to a spell ie how much a spell scales with magical power?

[lucid vortex]

On second thought this could be due to lag that everyone else is complaining about.

[lyric trout]

LET'S SEE IF THE LAG IS FIXED AT ONCE BECAUSE BEING DYING ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF THE LAG AND LOSING ALL THE THINGS REMOVE THE DESIRE TO PLAY THIS GAME

[small furnace]

So this lag isn't just me yeah? Constant rubberbanding back and forth?

Feels nearly unplayable.

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512094/warlock-fear-spellability
Simple suggestion: Warlock should have a Fear option in their kit someplace.

[grizzled token]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512095/implement-golden-ring-textures-for-grimsmile-ring-and-new-rings

[steep cape]

lower the quest requirement for bard kills theres literally no one playing them

[fossil lintel]

true, i need one more barb and 4 more bards

[short heath]

This has been a consistent problem for me, personally. Like, literally hasn't ever not been a thing.

[small furnace]

nonono trust me, today is a whole nother beast lmao, like it is absolutely entirely unplayable, go try GC or Crypts if you don't believe me. Apparently ruins is less laggy

#dnd-memes-only message Oh there you go, memes channel check it out

[short heath]

Oh... oh. Well, I guess I'll have to see when u get a chance to get on then lol.

[echo wharf]

servers are getting shit on

[sterile holly]

FIX THE FUCKING LAG (on a side note Ruins is pretty stable)

[spice viper]

lag still not fixed

[north edge]

Suggestions: Campfires should stack up to 2, quests for items should be able to be delivered one or x amount at a time and not only when you have them all at the same time, trading place should have another option, next to the ones of like "item name" and "item type" that says "class" and you can choose what class you want to find items for and it shows items that that class can use

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512094/warlock-fear-spellability

[hardy vector]

nerf ranger

[fossil bridge]

Fix the servers. This shit is terrible.

[echo wharf]

the sound in this game is so far off its not even funny

[glacial hollow]

Fix the servers. This shit is terrible.

Fix the servers. This shit is terrible.

[light hound]

Rings and amulets? Unless you're stacking a ton of them in your inventory, that shouldn't be an issue.

The per slot gold for items is 5 for green, 8 for rare, and 12 from epic from last check - that means rings and amulets are 5 8, or 12 gold

[ivory mauve]

i think it would be cool to introduce bounties into the game. it would be cool if you can see a poster with one random play in the pre lobby and if you kill them you get a reward once you extract. And if you are the one with the bounty you get a reward for extracting after a certain amount of time. Maybe for event mode or idk

[fervent lintel]

Suggestion: Spend money on PR/HR and actually get back to customers that have valid inquiries to insure the lifespan of your investment.

[topaz belfry]

increase portals in ruins, can't find any

[fiery sapphire]

nerf wizard, best melee/mid range class
magic missle op u dont even need to aim this
fireball big dmg, bigger than headshot from longbow/crossbow
lightning strike easy to hit big damage
chain too op, easy to hit
zap too strong considering this as wizards weakest spell
explosion is broken, u need to have crosshair on enemy thats it xd u can block doors with it also (set it like a time trap for antypush - nice we need that, molotov left the chat)
haste invis selfcast only
invis no speed boost
haste speed boost 5%
fire mastery -25% magic heal maximum
glass canon is not glass anymore, u can be fast tanky wizard with huge base damage and fast spell cast which is hilarious

[timid prawn]

didn't read but seems like skill issue

[thorny shadow]

It would be nice if we could hand things in while the quest is active instead of having like 10 leather caps in my inventory

[lament galleon]

Agility or Dexterity for Ranger build?

[unique seal]

Ironmace I beg of you please, please make the spider silk quest thing higher drop rate Im losing it

[lucid vortex]

Do you know the timing on it, can you teach me? The cyclops rock fall attack?

[green vapor]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512134/quest-items Give it an upvote if you think its a good addition

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512094/warlock-fear-spellability
Essentially, since there's Barbarian Fear coded in already why not make a Fear spell/ability on the spooky(warlock) class.

[signal cargo]

CAN WE GET RID OF THE GLITCH WHERE YOUR SPELLBOOK JUST FALLS OUT OF YOUR HANDS ONTO THE FLOOR RANDOMLY???!?!??!?

[sinful bobcat]

your servers lagging has killed me more than a few times

[soft grove]

I have killed tons of giant spider, never seen silk 😄

[grizzled token]

Im 120 dry, With the server lag I want to cry. 1/3 of the time there are no giant spiders on the map, you get 4 spiders, the room is always in the damn ring. Its terrible. I dont like playing gobling cave, but to progress im forced into this terrible terrible grind. Most of the other quests you will get done abiently, and can be done during normal play, but to complete this I feel like im doing a fucking runescape boss grind. Its terrible

[unique seal]

I just want the spiders elsewhere

[silver grove]

How to get admin support?

[buoyant yoke]

please next update add smth smaller in terms of content and focuse on updating the servers to be somewhat playable (THE LAGG IS TOO MUCH)

[silver grove]

Just dont do the quest, not hard

[azure cypress]

I think it would be really nice (and fairly easy to implement) to have a feature where you can setup your starting gear placement. The bard has 5 occupied sloth and if you want to switch place every game can be annoying and something you forget and end up loosing a fight

[granite plinth]

FIX THIS LAG

[real trellis]

IM should hire some more network engineers

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[hearty solstice]

When the servers are having issues or are down, WE NEED A SINGLE PLAYER MODE. Like god damn man.

[limber elbow]

To be honest, the task of the NPC tailor is almost only for a group of streamers or people who play in teams for a long time to do. Finding 15 camfires or kits or lether caps takes a long time, but there is still hope of doing it. Killing 5 Demon bats or 3 Bersekers or 15 liches, honestly I don't see any hope, playing with a random team always dies before entering the red gate or dies under the red gate due to layout changes or one person accidentally leading the monster. Until then, there were a few times when I went through 80% of the map and still didn't see a Demon bat or because the ring couldn't do anything, I continued to enter the Crypt continuously for nearly a week and still couldn't kill a single demon.

[mystic gate]

@native flax Nice teaming in ruins. Embarassing

[granite hearth]

Bard shouldn't have to have 4 instruments & knowlage to play there songs one starter instrument and a pool of "grey" songs would definitely improve the quality of life on the Bard it also opens up the possibility to new instruments like war horns

[woven jackal]

When trading, item property filters shouldnt include items that have the property in their base stats. I have to filter for my entire class of items now to do general trading, when I ask for knowledge that doesn't mean any occultist boots, they need a relevant roll from my property filter as well

[jovial swan]

I hope that this lag is a wake-up call for the devs that we need to have "local" or "co-op" only modes for people to play, separate from the main playerbase.

[earnest remnant]

Nope

[graceful frost]

Bro not your again.

Literally the worst takes known to man

The game is already catering to noobs enough.

[jovial swan]

It can't afford not to. If it doesn't cater towards newer or novice players, the game will have no sustainability nor appeal. The game's already hemorrhaging players with this among many other problems.

[earnest remnant]

Assumptions. I hope they dont listen to your suggestion. Literally the worst idea ever

[jovial swan]

The classic "I won't explain why it's a bad idea, I'll just say it is". An option to let people play more how they want to is never, ever a bad idea, but you wouldn't know that, would you?

Adding an option for a player or group of friends to de-stress and play in a gamemode completely cut off from the main game (like season vs non-season in D3) is never a bad idea in the long term.

[earnest remnant]

If you cant think yourself about the negative consequences i wont explain. The classic is rather you : i want to change a game to my likings and if someone is against that i think theyre dumb.

[jovial swan]

There are little to no negative consequences to it since it's always an option to go "online" or "play solo/with friends". The pros significantly outweigh the cons.

[stark mountain]

If you mean a mode like the practice mode in Tarkov where you can never bring loot out and not all kinds of enemies and loot are properly implemented, that would be fine

But it shouldn't be a high priority; some kind of practice range would get you 90% of the use case for it with much less dev effort. And (prior to server issues) player count has actually been climbing again

[dry vault]

Bring back 3 man outs

[hidden loom]

fix server

[winter bison]

I just extracted HR with a bunch of stuff, and everything is gone as if i died. that cool. cool game I guess..

lesson learned dont do last minue looting in zone on a static extract. even after you get ''out'' your char is still inside for like 5 more seconds so you can die while not in the game anymore

[vivid summit]

Anyone know where bug reports go?

[light hound]

Are you allowing people to take loot into the online mode with this idea? If not, it's just a practice mode, and if you can, it's game breaking - unless the loot is really bad

[jovial swan]

The loot from "Private Game" cannot be taken into the "Public Game" in this idea, and Trading can only occur between party members with the same "Private Game" status.

I've got a more expanded version of my idea that I think would be much better than I originally posted.

[real trellis]

Oh my GOD bro this dude keeps coming back like a bad case of herpes

[light hound]

In that case, I think it's a very low priority. The use case would be learning the pve, which we could have training modes for that, or to play the game without other players, which would be boring since it's not designed for that

[jovial swan]

{Private Games}
Private Games are a special type of gamemode that can be selected after you enter the lobby. When this option is selected, you can no longer go into a public match with other players, but you can now play any map alone or with a party.

{Changes from Public Games}
Players have the following options they can turn on and off while playing in Private Games:

Dark Swarm
Team Attack
Teams
Gear Level Requirements
Class Restrictions
Map Type
Player Count per Map (up to a limit)
Show Damage / Healing
Show Attack Speed
Show Statistics
Lose Items On Death

Additionally, players have a separate stash for Private Games and Public Games, with the ability to pseudo-transfer your Public Games stash to Private Games, but not vice versa. This pseudo-transfer does not delete your Public Game items.

{Adventure Mode}
There is also an additional "Adventure Mode" preset, which makes the game functionally identical to the Public Games but for yourself or your team only, in case you need to learn the fundamentals of the base game. This preset can be turned on/off, but when on, other presets cannot be changed.

{Benefits}
The following benefits can happen with Private Games:

Content Creation and Showcasing Changes to Players in a more streamlined manner
Tournaments and competitive play
De-stressing from a hard day of playing the game
Giving new players a tool to learn more about the game and become better

[winter jacinth]

i have a suggestion for the game, make the servers playable

[jovial swan]

Private Games would be a big, big deal for this game (especially if it's like this), since it can really add some much-needed content and spice to the game.

For those worried of it encroaching on Public Games, I will remind you that both private and public games, in this concept, would be completely separated from each other.

[light hound]

Custom games would be nice for testing and competitive, but saying it's a big deal for the majority of the playerbase is an overstatement. It's not really "content", it's just the same thing with less stakes, and no pvp.

I think most players would prefer new classes, maps, talent trees, weapons, spells and progression systems before custom games.

[tacit spear]

Make 'Copperlight' gears white, so they can be used in the normal dungeon. Additionally, remove the random modifier but change the base - action speed to +. Now, there's actually a practical reason to mine copper.

[green vapor]

Its still a thing buddy, its the last 2 portals that spawn in crypts

[woven marsh]

Suggestion: Fix the spawn locations on Ruins so you don’t have 4 teams spawning within 100 feet of each other. Thanks

[jagged flicker]

wish fighter had options other than Sprint and Second Wind. sigh

[serene grove]

why is there a voyager in my lobby im wanderer ironmace pls

[small furnace]

MMR is weird, I was wanderer rank when I got run down and killed by Repoze (Exemplar at the time)

[magic rapids]

Warlock should get something to do with soul hearts

[eager flint]

wdym? soul collector buffs all dark magic, and is consumed when casting, except for dark reflection (unsure if it applies the buff tho)

[fathom bolt]

it does, any source of dark magical damage is buffed

[eager flint]

okay thats what I thought, just hadnt tested it like everything else. wouldnt be surprised if they make it consume the stacks when dark reflection is triggered

[pure hearth]

fix the lag

[magic rapids]

I mean take the soul heart of your teammates. since you cannot pick up enemy soul hearts the perk soul collector already applies like you said. Like instead of needing an alter to revive teammates you could have a spell or perk that allows you to revive teammates like a clerics spell. Its just an idea and idk truely what but yeah teammates soul heart usage

[eager flint]

oh I get what you mean. it cant be too similar to cleric revive, but maybe if it ressurected them with some kind of debuff like cant heal (and start them with more hp), or an undead status. make it something like necromancy since warlock is the closest thing we have to that rn

[magic rapids]

I have two ideas, Revival, where the lock sacrifices 50% hp and uses 1 soul heart to revive the target to 1hp. Debuff could be something like "undead" where you cannot be healed by cleric spells and all healing is reduced by 25% for the duration of the match.
the other is like self-buffing using teammates soul heart, where lock can sacrifice a teammates soul heart to either heal itself to full hp like a surg kit or to give a % bonus to curse damage or something.

[grizzled summit]

thanks. they werent trying to fix it before. your suggestion convinced them to look at the servers.

[magic rapids]

Animation to a revive spell could be like summoning hydra, they rise from a portal in the ground, like their coming back from hell lol

[eager flint]

yea the resurrection has to have a debuff in order to make it different especially since its coming from the opposite of a divine class like cleric. using it as a buff or utility item would be cool too, but I'm not sure itd be worth replacing a perk unless its really good and only useful when a teammate dies. if it would be useable as a buff/utility item even when taken from an enemy itd be cool, but only if the entire team is dead since itd be a really strong bm tactic if they still had someone alive

[jolly moon]

Be able to report people for teaming in Goblin Caves.

[fervent lintel]

Suggestion: Hire PR/HR to oversee customer responses instead of leaving consumers in the dark (no pun). You've generated enough revenue to hire multilingual individuals to oversee CSR but you offer no responses - this will degrade the quality of your title and supplant every asset you create. By responding to customers you prolong the lifespan of your investment.

[magic rapids]

Hopefully its something they at least think of. I had put in a suggestion in the official about "a dark magic version of the wizard Icebolt spell" and then they added dark bolt like 2 updates later. was so happy

[eager flint]

they just need to reduce the hitbox size of bolt so im not blasting tf outta doorframes

[magic rapids]

lmfao yeah, ive been using ray of darkness. still a little under powered base without soul collector but its better

[eager flint]

I've been using dark enhancement if I'm doing pve for quests since its more consistent. ray is great at finding rogues tho and dueling with rangers since the constant damage makes them panic

[magic rapids]

I use flame walker + Curse. If someone is hard chasing through flame i BoC them towards the end of flame. If they don't chase, i redo flame then use ray

[eager flint]

yea i use flame walker when running phantomize to see the fear in their eyes plus it makes mob farming a cakewalk

[magic rapids]

i tried phantomize + flame walker but its too overused together and i feel like most people i fight expect it and realize lock is pretty defenseless during that phantomize period. Also, Running BoC keeps melee classes in check

[eager flint]

yea usually if i run phantomize with boc and melee only. running down rangers with it is great since they dont know how much longer ill be invunverable

[magic rapids]

What class do you feel is the most threat to locks?

[coarse girder]

@keen onyx add poison to the spiders because it would be funny

[magic rapids]

poison to red+ versions would be a great idea

[jovial swan]

{Kris Dagger}

Rework: The Kris Dagger is now considered a 2-handed weapon similar to the Spellbook and Bows. To compensate for this change, the Kris Dagger now has a primary attack and a secondary attack.

{Kris Dagger - Attacks}

The primary attack of the Kris deals an inward horizontal slash, followed by an outward horizontal slash, finished with a downward slash. Any attack from the primary attack can combo into the secondary attack.

The secondary attack of the Kris starts with a stab, followed up by two quick thrusts. This attack is notable for not being able to trigger either of the two additional attacks if an attack prior misses.

{Kris Dagger - Statistics}

Weapon Damage: 21/23-24/25-26/27-28/29-30/30-31/31-32/32-33
Move Speed: -10
Combo Damage (Primary): 100%/120%/130%
Combo Damage (Secondary): 100%/120%/120%
Impact Power: 4 (primary), 2 (secondary)

{Black Tiger}

The unique variant of the Kris Dagger, given a more lightning-esque blade shape with thorns pointing out at each turn of the blade.

Replaces the secondary attack with a thrust-and-pull combo. Performing this combo successfully on a target will afflict a Grievous Wounding to the opponent. Grievous Wounds deal 5 damage per second to your opponent and reduces all action and interaction speeds by -50%. This is undone when the opponent is healed with a bandage or surgical kit.

[eager flint]

none of the magic classes really prove a threat since you can run a top that has 50 mag resist on top of your already high base coupled with the +25% mag resist. only thing that threatens it is a ranger or fighter. long range fights are the real threat since at mid range you could cast hydra for cover or to make it so they have to move from where they currently are.

[magic rapids]

I think movespeed barb is the biggest threat. Unless in fighting a ranger/fighter that just hits all their shots im not losing to them.

[proud sigil]

Buff evil eye flight speed and make it able to open doors or detect invisible

[eager flint]

with a barb ive found that using a falchion or longsword is an easy win since their range of attack is pretty short and movespeed is cut significantly when using two handed weapons. against a 1 handed barb its best to cast cop or bolt repeatedly but that comes down to who has the faster movespeed items. they cant block spells so its far easier to hit them than a fighter or cleric

[wind lily]

When you put away your weapon(take your bare hands out) it says "bare hands" in white text at the bottom of your screen. When you wear gloves, it still says bare hands.

My suggestion is this: if you are wearing for example epic rarity riveted gloves, it should say riveted gloves in purple text at the bottom of your screen instead of bare hands in white text.

[silver kelp]

combine rogue creep and stealth into one perk while server is offline thank you

[short heath]

What the fist fuck is this?

[brazen delta]

Give cleric a perk that gives them access to longsword, 'nuff said

[short heath]

Bro must be high as a kite to even think about posting that, wtf lol.

[dusky lotus]

Warlock Dark Bolt should be able to break spider pots.

[short heath]

Fuckin 5 dps and -50% action and interaction speeds, with an indefinite duration. Lmao

[solar marten]

How would you like to see the lore for the game to be implemented? The developers have said it’s coming, but it has not yet been stated how yet.

[woven jackal]

When holding alt and dragging a large coin storage item, it should try to fill everything under it so I dont have to clear a 2x2, place one purse, put 1/20th of my bag in it, then move the purse, place another one and repeat

[empty valve]

it could be used to punish bad warlocks for missing

[grizzled summit]

now that we have account names, please unlock character names

[unique seal]

I humbly beseech thee at Ironmace, please make spider pots have a chance of dropping silk. That is all, idc if its half of what the giant spider is but please let it be real

[winter bison]

why is falcon range so janky dudes hitting me from 10 feet away

[mighty sundial]

with the rework of Str and Agi, shouldnt Bless (+3 str, agi and will) get a change as well?

[earnest cloak]

i think they should revert the amount of AP it costs to go in a game but make it so when you die you get 50% of ap instead of 0

[hot wolf]

they already nerfed rougues into the ground tho, so halfway there

[empty valve]

bruh wym Wizard is still one of the best classes

[light hound]

You have to consider all maps, obviously some classes excel in open spaces (ruins) vs cramped spaces (GC, sometimes Crypts)

With that said, rogue assassination power seems too strong atm. It's a toxic class with the current design

Rangers obviously are their best on Ruins, that doesn't mean they're op on other maps - It's a map balance problem

[eager oyster]

Nerf barbarians, they can have 320 move speed and 1 shot you with 180 hp. THIS IS JUST UNFAIR. Nerf HP pool, nerf move speed, nerf savage, nerf berseker, nerf achilles hitbox so it takes more skill to aim it.

[tidal veldt]

can we move the Exit Game button to the top left corner? i always accidentally hit it trying to speed queue another match in it's current location because muscle memory makes me think its the ready button >.<

[graceful beacon]

I've seen 2 different posts within 5 minutes that complain that barb is either too op or too up

[unique seal]

🕷️ make the silk drop from spider pots

[dapper comet]

More spider slik droppers and more wolf pelt chance

[eager oyster]

its not even close dude both barb and rogue require 0 skill because you have 1 shot with little to no gear. Barbs can run berseker with savage and have base battleaxe and 1 shot you if theyre low hp happened to me in HR gobs last leaderboard runs last wipe. They litterally zero gear kill any class and all they have to do is achilles you with little to zero aim because the hitbox is so f'ed. I know rogues were "weak" for a while there, but right now theyre way to strong, dagger perk base daggers hit for 30 and castillion base dagger hits 52 last hit, thats just as much as i hit in a decent kit on my ranger with a offhand Rapier/Arming aboslutely busted.

[ornate onyx]

you need at least 1k set to 1shot with rogue barb is another story though yeah

[eager oyster]

no you don't dude rogues base daggers with dagger mastery now 1 combo does 110 hp. most wizards,warlocks,bards,rangers play with less than 110hp now because they have to stack other stats. especially ranger is hella weak they need HP, so you need vigor, but it does no dmg so you need to stack physical dmg stuff but if you do that you dont have any move speed to kite barbs, clerics, or fighters. You need move speed to kite because you have no escape mechanism other than traps and your zones change from zone to zone, you can spend 5minutes clearing a zone for your ranger in HR gobs to only have the zone pull to the other side of the map, and if youre trying to setup a zone in the middle as a ranger chances are youll die to either a barbarian, fighter or rogue that just completely have better perks and skills than you. Rangers have no escapeability besides placing traps that take 30seconds. honestly if you have trap mastery it should be instant trap placement. Meanwhile every other class gets to have an escape ability thats both instant and on cooldown. meanwhile we lose our traps even if we or our teammates step in them. They need to rework ranger because its super weak rn. Either make crossbows stronger on rangers because we have no health no movespeed. and if we build health/movespeed we have no dmg. but we can kite. Its like youre forced to build hybrid and get shiit on by any class that focuses on movespeed aka fighters stacking agility and PDR, rogues, and barbarians. I have a fairly even fight with bards and wizards 1v1 but those 3 are not even close its a complete and utter 1 sided massacre for them against rangers. ive put 37 arrows into a 52 pdr cleric before in hr gobs and he wasnt even half health

[light hound]

This seems like a low ranking take, Barbs are significantly weaker against prople who know how to kite

[eager oyster]

I'm Pathfinder 2

[eager oyster]

thats the thing you can't even kite as ranger rightnow, barbs get a skill on CD that gives 15% movespeed. meanwhile i have to waste my stat pool on agility/movespeed and have very slow bow draw speed even with nimblehands. Because agility only contributes very slowly to actionspeed and dexterity now. I cant shoot my arrows faster than a barbarian can just achilles me and run across the module . Lets say I'm spacing out correctly ya? Arrows have flight speed theyre very easy to dodge from distance, from range usually you want to utilize crossbows. So lets say i hit a crossbow hit from across the map the reduced dmg from that means my crossbow only hit for 40-48 dmg barbs are still 110+hp. lets say they close the distance by that time i need to swap to my bow i only get 2 shots before they close the distance im forced to aim legs for 70% move speed reduction. barbs have significantly more plays, they can tank there hp as a resource, they have achilles heel, they have savage roar again because cooldown iis so short. They can also dodge very easily leg shots, if i aim head and hit once lets say i only bring them to 40-60hp. meaning i can aim at body but i dont have time to pull another 2 arrows to kill them. My only option at this point is to force leg shots and hit every shot or im dead. or Quickshots off cooldown with rapid fire and i can try to aim to kill. My point is I'm forced into a unfavorable situation not because of missplay, not because im not kiting, but because barbarians are heavily favored in 1v1's against any class. Theyre way to strong, last wipe if you checked outlaw leaderboards for range i was 350 for hr gobs, at 1870 points. 1870 isnt even top 1000 for barbarians as top 10 are in the 6000 range. that means they have atleast 6x my Kill death ratio at the higher ends of pvp vs equally skilled rangers in top 10 with only 2.5k mmmr. AKA NOT BALANCED.

[light hound]

Base gear Barbarian shouldn't take "0 skill" in mid-tier play+, maybe against people who run into a felling axe, but the Barbarian should have a hard time hitting achilles and finishing a kill without a mistake.

Full speed Barb is another thing

[glossy storm]

Excuse me, I want you to ask if you can set maximum try of quest. For example 'bring silk' or 'kill 50 giant spider' and 'bring rare jewel' or 'bring a lot of common jewel'

[light hound]

The speed on Barb might tighten your options, but you do have options. 1 trap, he's dead. Use doors to slow him down and get shots each time

[glossy storm]

I mean can you make quest which doesn't depend on random try.

[ornate onyx]

yeah as i said i can understand barbs kinda fucking you up if you are rushed but i dont understand rogues just hit em 3 times with a blue long bow and they are dead, just dont run into them and they cant do shit, just put on headphones and you'll hear em coming unless they are specifically running creep which no one does cus you basically need the other perks btw with the dagger perk they dont deal 30 damage they deal 28 and normal basekit is 26

• you are playing one of the most hated classes in the game and that hate is for a reason just take higher ground gg youve won

[eager oyster]

You're not talking to some low tier andy, I'm outlaw leaderboard every patch dude. you just dont understand that rangers dont have the time to kite they get 3 shots off before barbs get close. and barbs can sack HP pool and they 1 shot when theyre low health, achilles takes no skill to aim. you truly dont understand highend pvp

[ornate onyx]

by aiming achilles you mean francisca axes yes?

[eager oyster]

all barbs play full speed barb, and achilles takes no skill to aim dude, theyll just eat shots to make sure to land it. even if i headshot them 3 times with quickshot with a BIS recurve theyre still alive.

[eager oyster]

of course and the hitbox is so janky you dont even need to aim it, its not like arrows with very small hitbox they have a square hitbox so when you throw them if you duck and crouchup behind it itll still register on you @light hound just said theyll have a hard time to land throwables but im pretty sure this dude aint even wandererr rank

[light hound]

I'm not saying you are, just that it sounds exagerated. I'm sure there's times where you get in a bad spot, nothing to do. But if you're taking 3 shots at a Barb without a kiting plan, that's not playing the class to its strength. If you can just kite and shoot someone down solo without any environmental/team play, that's just Ranger being op

[ornate onyx]

now he has a point tho xd

[eager oyster]

My problem with rogues is the ability to kill you with 1 blue weapon, and no gear. also they can drop down from above with invis and theyre still in invis that needs patched.

[eager oyster]

you dont understand ma dude rangers stack 3-4 different stats meanwhile barbarians stack 2. agility and physical power/wepdmg any dmg +agility and any movespeed.|||| rangers have to stack dex, str, agi, movespeed

[ornate onyx]

yeah but you are supposed to be a glasscannon so is he so he is 3 shot by any class and some of them one shot like barb,warlock and wizard and even a full bis fighter and bard can one shot them, hell ive been one shot straight from hundred to zero by a purple longbow before, so the same goes for you

[eager oyster]

you can't even kite in goblin caves only specific modules and guess what theirs always a way to cut the kitting in half by running diagonals, its also very easy for fighters with pdr and sprint. arrows do no dmg to them. even with 5% armor pen on the bow does absolutely nothing, and when they get close you cant outrun them because they get savage/sprint again in another 17seconds.

[eager oyster]

purple longbow is shiit now, youd need 40 dex to do anything with it because the drawspeed is so bad

im not spending on a 5000g kit just to die to a base barb that sacks his health and achilles me from pointblank range. i also die to teamers more times in hr gobs pathfinder elo than i die to true 1v1s.

[light hound]

I mean, you're bringing up points that, if true, are just reasons why that class is not optimal for that map, so why are you intentially picking a difficult class to play and complaining that it's difficult and other classes are easier?

Just play a different map, different class, or learn how to make the most of the class.

Each class is never going to excel at everything on every map. Ranger is op in Ruins for example

[ornate onyx]

not all of us have friends sadly :,)

[eager oyster]

My point is 180 hp, only needing to stack agi/movespeed to 1 shot, barbs have to much unfair resources. Rangers are 1shot by mostly any class. And our arrows projectile speed is to slow and to easy to dodge, its way to easy to close gaps, making kiting way more diffficult than the opposing force that only needs to press W and duck and crouch a few times. They also LOS and use obstacles to reduce the effectiveness of kiting. Rangers trully need to run 3 weapons, main bow, crossbow, and melee usually rapier with lantern or a good spear. also rangres take way to long to setup zones by the time you setup 3 traps to be able to kite well, the zone is closing, and you're already in a fight. You say play different map different class etc. I'm not a meta andy that's going to play whatever is good right now, every class needs to have playability at highends pvp to make a competitive environment. Not just 3-4 classes that do the same thing over and over and that same thing over and over isn't even counterable. I can't counter a 60%pdr fighter, I can't counter a barbarian with move speed higher than a rogues thats just face rolling me even if i do dmg it just increases the likelyhood ill be 1 shot by berserker and savage. You're correct all classes have week points, strong points etc. However being 6x higher than 2nd place in HR gobs leaderboard outlaws just goes to show Barb needed nerfed hard 2 wipes ago. Fighters are a close 2nd at being double the mmr of any other class aside from 1st place meanwhile Ranger and warlock alwys bottom of the barrel. People complain dying to arrows all the time, if you die to a arrow that means you couldn't react within 4ms to a arrows flightpath, it also means you didnt LOS, theirs 3-4 things you could of done differently, meanwhile vs a barb that just hard rushes you and takes there HP pool as a resource to get close theres absolutely nothing you can do unless you're fortunate enough to be in a module that allows you to kite well.

[winter bison]

nerf rangers more they are 0 skill meme class no one like them

[ornate onyx]

i dont wanna be that guy but warlock players just suck ass thats why they are bottom of the barrel after the last buffs it took me like 4 hours to get pathfinder

fighter players also suck ass their class is so op they just try to stat check everyone and it usually works thats why they are top of the leaderboard

but again you are right barbs just need to be nerfed again i mean they were the top meta on crypts and goblin caves for how many patches before the big patch? 10?

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512094/warlock-fear-spellability Warlock themeatically should have a fear effect gimmick.

[lament pivot]

if you cant kill the ranger its not the rangers fault. I play Ranger main mostly in crypts with a clerik fighter and me premade group and i get absolutely blasted at minimum half of the games. Yes sometimes the enemies dont have enough time to get close enough to me but oh boy if they can ambush us in any way and go straight at me iam dead. doesnt even matter wich class it is. Even Wizards just kill me in one sec with missiles or spam lightning. ranger literally is a glass canon and iam fine with it but most of the games even with a very good recurve bow i need at least 4 shots if they arent headshots and landing headshots on greater distances are almost impossible to get if combat is already started. as @eager oyster stated. There are so many ways with crouch and crouch jumping to actively dodge bow shots its insane a really good player will just avoid any shot and if they are at me iam dead anyways. The only thing that rescued me some of the times is the "shotgun" without that skill i would be dead all the time.

[silver kelp]

I love when I set aside time from my wife, family , job to sit down and play this game.

It's so much fun that a person that plays this game 70+ hours a week from an asian region can come on my server and two tap me with a crossbow or a ranged character ,
or stand guard at doors as full pdr fighter so I'm forced to take them as they cut me down.

It's a really great experience. I'm glad to know the devs care about balance. Being killed by PDR fighters and rangers the entire day that play in the most basic way while you try to come up with some level of strategy, is awesome.

Here's a suggestion guys: Stop building this game around rangers. They are not the end-all be-all. Damage should fall off with distance and you should have to correct your shot after firing a shot. Until that happens, there is not much point in playing right now,

ESPECIALLY with the ddos on the servers, it makes being not range worse. Miss a couple shots as range? No big deal, fire a couple more. miss your swings as melee? Well, you're dead bud.

[real trellis]

Don't go to high roller then? That way poopsockers can't bring their gear to roll you lol

[unique seal]

Please by the gods graces boost the spider silk drop rate Im begging you, on my knees, praying to an altar of the dark and darker logo, hoping in vain for a drop rate boost

[vernal hedge]

just wait until you gotta farm the troll pelt

[unique seal]

Thats more reasonable as its the final part of the leather smiths quest so it unlocks potentially some of the greatest gear :(

Tailor tier 2 is just rude

[sinful patio]

I would like to have the hud adjust to the resolution you are using. People like me that want to play the game but easily get nauseated uses lower resolution to help with the nasea but the inventory and stuff doesn't adjust to the resolution so they just pile in the screen cause the resolution is smaller but they don't get smaller with it

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[cinder fulcrum]

Why would you want cosmetics to effect things like gear?

[vernal hedge]

because they aren't cosmetics by definition
they already change stats and in the case of the lizardman even changes you hitbox and applies a gear limitation(and theres already talk of a dwarf race)
he simply want this part of the system to be more interesting and meaningfull

[cinder fulcrum]

thats valid tbh, its just hard for me to like having stats on the ones we have already, but to be fair they aren't just fully cosmetic. I just dont want your race to be something you choose for a specific class or what not

Like elves are technically a better ranger class, i wish the stat on that didn't even exist

[vernal hedge]

" I just dont want your race to be something you choose for a specific class or what not" yah and this is what I think he wants to achieve.

I'm with you on not liking the stats changes but would instead prefer something more flavourful, say for example the dwarfs have a mining proficiency and not only mine quicker but may be able to extract 1 or 2 more ores from a node
Or lizardmen having a sort of innate poison resistance.
Stuff that doesnt necessarly make them the meta race for a given class, but that have some nieche uses for
Maybe elfs(has generally connected with nature to ranger/hunter classes could have a better chance at getting crafting materials)
If we ever got a goblin race(doubt it but for example) give them a bit of inherit luck to play with the "loot-goblin" term

[ripe turtle]

Read the suggestion.

[grizzled token]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512331/move-cleric-plate-armor-to-a-perk

Remove Cleric's default ability to wear plate, and move it to a perk with the downside of a 20-25% Spell Casting speed reduction.

I hope this would increase Build Diversity for cleric, while reigning in the heal-spam + PDR cleric wall strategy.

[lucid folio]

if you do that, you'll need to at least increase the base move speed for cleric or let the class throw knives/axes, otherwise, the class will be even more dead in gc and ruins

[brittle karma]

So like here's a thought right? Can we change it to either, I can go into specific instances of hell or crypts so I can actually use my gold key, rusty key or skull key without rolling the wrong map after spending a arm and a leg to buy one? Or just make them on all instances? Idk I think it's a big issue they should look into at some point.

[small furnace]

Game should not be balanced around ruins. Ruins should be balanced around the game.

[small furnace]

Problem with these race ideas is they give people the ability to minmax for whatever they're doing.

Gotta go mining? Equip the dwarf race to do so.
Need to get some fast gold? Equip the goblin race for more luck.
Farming quest materials? Equip the elf race to find them.

Ironmace doesn't want classes to be a minmax thing, though tbf I just wish races were cosmetic purely. It really sucks being a lizardman enjoyer and not being able to play with a helmet.

[frigid merlin]

Nerf wizard more pls, because he doesn't struggle enough in solos

[green vapor]

Cry about it weirdo

[quick marten]

PLEASE ADD A THROWABLE BOLA THAT IS UNCOMMON OR RARE

[gusty lily]

Please make it possible to chat with your friends ingame..

[fossil bridge]

Why is purple jewelry going for so much rn? Like actually? 2 days ago i was able to buy some purple jewelry for a decent price but now if i want a shitty ring its 1 key?????

[small furnace]

Always been the case. Just gotta ignore the people selling at those prices, they are delusional and try to sell things far above market price by targeting streamers and waiting hours to sell something.

[stable cape]

make warlock's life drain heal allies 1:1 ratio pls

[low egret]

would love to be able to see my quests so i know what i have to do while in the dungeon 👍

[daring trail]

game feels good... almost too good... im worried we get a nutty change soon

[stone crag]

make it so we can submit quest items individually

[hearty solstice]

If anything it will make builds even less diverse because that Armor Perk WILL BE MANDATORY.

[halcyon wasp]

Action speed perk for Fighters using 2handers. Theres very little support for armored fighters who dont want to use falchion and shield.

Slayer was a good option and 2handers need more support to encourage versatility in the class.

[empty valve]

idk if Im late on this, but this 100% needs to be a thing. You should not get your damage+speed bonuses when getting revealed from hide

[urban ibex]

PPL were going crazy over bards doing it all, wizards outmelee rogues buff more than supps and better range than ranger and no one bats an eye

[jagged canopy]

Suggestion: Have the quest track for the account and not for each character. I love playing different characters but doing each quest 8 times can get tired some.

[modern steppe]

Gonna catch a lot of flack for this one but, give ranger the ability to use longsword.

[pallid vector]

thats called fighter

[red bay]

incorporate lock picking in rogues base kit lol

[hollow grotto]

Yes please

[hollow grotto]

or warlock with dark bolt

[solemn needle]

hot take- the fire walk from the warlock should damage the caster if they walk on it

[fathom bolt]

only if barbarian can trip and fall after raging

[stone crag]

any tips for solo rogue?

[foggy sun]

we need the coffee drinking emote to be fixed. the lizard skin makes it look like I am eating my cup by psychically phasing it through my face.

[foggy sun]

it is a "hot take"

[solemn needle]

[trail swift]

Needed rework for beartraps: Remove initial damage when stepping on them, enable players to walk out of them but suffer a damage penalty it they do, no damage should be taken if the trap is disabled by hand.

[ashen apex]

fix teaming

[silver kelp]

can we get more ruins farming and collection quests please we need the content 🤞

(also I'd love to see a couple new rooms in ruins been playing the same map for a minute)

[dusky ingot]

day 12022 of saying bard's rapier mastery skill should allow riposte

[graceful beacon]

thats a lot of days

[unique seal]

I cant take it no more Ive done 164 Goblin Cave runs, only saw silk once, please IM boost its drop rate Im losing my mind

[visual violet]

please GOD remove the frans from fighters. they already have xbows. at high level exmplar gameplay i constantly as a barb have to fight through xbow then i get in range and have to dodge frans and then fight PDR LS which kills you if he blocks literally one attack its getting old

[light hound]

Throw your own frans

[last heron]

Hot take, remove the spectator cam and force cheaters to get proper cheats instead of just using spectator cam for from inv checks and wall hacks

[visual violet]

obviously i did that and its far less effective VS PDR. i dont think they should be getting 2 ranged options that work at perfect intervals. im almost demigod rank solo GC on barb. every single time i die its to the EXACT same build. someone with a cross bow doing over 1/3 of my HP in non head non limb hits. while i have roughly 160 HP without rage and 20 ish PDR. he also has 3 fran stacks which after i dodge all his cross bow shots to close the gap, he then starts hucking. and then after i finally get in after all that i virtually auto lose bc i dont have a felling axe bc that weapon is trash and im dead bc i cannot attack with any 2hander and not have it get parried and then you basically insta die. he can stand there, tank 4 Zwei hits and the moment he blocks one attack you die.you can literally play that buidl stand there and make bad play after bad play after bad play and block one hit and you saved all your mistakes

its actually unreal. and its the most commen fighter build at my rank. so nearly every other game has one it in, if not every game. and the counter on barb is literally nothing. and casters are afraid to fight it because 2 tapped by xbow which he can shoot so extremely fast. i dont normally get salty about that shit but its so cringe. Espcially when i run crush which literally say "defeat blocks and parries"

[umbral raptor]

lock thy region

[lucid folio]

reverse magic missile change, it does way too much damage and makes wizard pretty much unpushable which shouldn't be the case for a ranged dps class, buff his haste on self-cast and give him a default kit crystal sword instead

[solemn needle]

Did you try Highroller? I saw plenty (like 7 in the last 20 giant spiders)

[light hound]

Everything should have a reasonable counter. There's still a few options you haven't listed here.

Not taking the fight - coming to terms that they counter you
Or
Build for it specifically (Reckless Strike for example)

The fact that you only die to a specific class and build is a testament to how good Barb is

[visual violet]

no, thats a testament to how good I AM at barb. most other players have issues i dont bc i play in a way that gives me options vs most classes and often always abandon fights i cant win. Except, you cant run from a PDR fighter even w ith the AGI being back on barb. they often can STILL keep up with you. because sprint the most broken ability in the game is still for some reason FLAT MS

[unique seal]

Well arent you lucky

[visual violet]

and i like how your solutions to the issue are "just dont play the game" esque. Reckless doesnt help here either because like i said, the most viable all purpose non garbage weapon is the zwei followed by WM. both of these are auto parried if the player has more than 2 working cells in his brain.

to bad crush, the perk that literally is supposed to "defeat blocks and parries" literally doesnt do that.

and honestly? it wouldnt be that bad is riposte didnt do LITERALLY 300 dmg in 2 swings every time guaranteed at super fast attack speeds.

[light hound]

Lol, that's a slippery road towards hubris. It will blind you to new solutions.

You mentioned that they run you down, that's very different to you rushing into their crossbow and frans.

If they are running you down, then that sounds like you got into a bad spot.

If they have high PDR, why not try bottles to soften them up and use reckless to finish them off

[visual violet]

but again, im cool with the class being a counter to mine, im cool with LS being a counter to literally every single weapon bar maybe if your lucky the felling axe. but why on earth it allows fighters the freedom to AFK make mistakes play poorly land one block and GG rt he fight is beyond me.

and i me rushing into a fight, realizing its unwinnable and full sprinting away doesnt mean i cant be run down. its p clear that you might not understand the full scope of the issue so no reason to argue about it anymore tbh. the oment you suggested bottles as if thats some how going to do anything is funny tho

[light hound]

I mean, you're just venting. If you're cool with a class countering you, just stay away from them

[solemn needle]

just my 2 cents on this discussion (also I am a terrible player so is skill issue). in normal gear runs - barbarian swings are SUPER SLOW on any 2 handed weapons. Rogues can hit twice and get out range even before the swing ends.... with fighters and warlocks you can hit one (unless you use fighter's rush) also you can parry almost any swing. Currently barbarian needs to have more skill to win fights 🤷‍♂️

bottom line: use the OP classes (Fighter or Ranger or Rogue) and steal all the gear at the ending circle

[visual violet]

well no, im not venting. im suggesting ironmace make sprint % based. and im suggesting that that playstyle be nerfed or straight up removed. riposte is a really stupid, and bad mechanic especially since only 2 classes have access to it.

riposte is the only reason why that build is so good. because it allows you to make 100 mistakes ad missplays , land literally one block, which unless you're a caster you have to hit him to kill him, and then he wins the fight for free.

[sinful briar]

Ah, I remember why I don't check this chat, it's just people whining non-stop

[light hound]

There's a lot more to analyse about it - the strong and weak moments of the matchup.

I highly doubt you're playing it optimally. In every game there are skill pockets where a class can go from OP to trash just because people get good enough to counter certain mechanics. (Think Zed in LOL)

For example:
Save rage or achilles to counter sprint?
Counter engage as soon as you hear a swap to crossbow?
Where are the best moments to suddenly dodge, and which type of dodge is best

[visual violet]

i mean yeah, you can just say skill issue. im but less thank 7k points from demi god. i dont think its inherently a skill issue here lol. infact im pretty certain i literally did more than half of the things you suggest. i just got parried one time and died

which, was literally bound to happen bc im using a zweihander, and he literally has 4-6 chances depending on second wind. so he can miss his parry 4 times and still insta kill me when hes geared

pretty cringe. to give a class which already is hard stuck into 2 skills because they are blatantly overpowered another crutch lol. but yeah. flat MS in general needs to go from the game.

[empty valve]

Im with you on this one, I think fighter is easily one of the best characters right now
This was more of just a thought, needs to be thought out but:
What if second wind stopped when taking damage, so you cant second wind in the middle of the fight or its wasted. Youre forced to retreat and take a second to heal. In turn it heals more and and maybe a bit faster

[drowsy grotto]

Reduce heals to like 3 as a cleric, it's complete BS that they can disengage and go to full in a matter of like 10 seconds.

[split trench]

Green for norms pls

[soft nebula]

they changed it from 4 -> 3 a few patches ago

[drowsy grotto]

Still, the fact that they have 3 different sources of healing which only require a few seconds to apply. It's practically a second health bar.
Also give other classes options to heal their team, it's stupid how dependent high rank hr is on clerics.

[soft nebula]

yeah, but thats also all they got goin for them, your always gonna be faster than them too

[drowsy grotto]

Smite exists too plus bless and stuff, it's literally good for every aspect of the game.
3v3's, 2v2's and 1v1's all practically show how dumb cleric can be.

Their only, and I mean only, downside is speed and range.
Which:
A. can be fixed via ranger teammate
B. can be fixed by literally having any teammate with speed or front-tanking with cleric with background archers and mages.

[low thistle]

Remove centipede poison trail it has a crap hitbox

Also buff rogue poison its so bad

[lament galleon]

Does mining fall under Regular interattions?

[fast hill]

Buff mimics by making them drop loot that was carried by players who died and weren't looted in previous games

[glossy storm]

Can you add a way to make items in 'rooted' state. I mean add NPC like broker who can make 'used' items to 'rooted' items. It can be helpful when clearing quesy. I know this can lower quests' difficulty. So make bosses' drop a new item which is only be used to trade with broker. Thank you.

[graceful beacon]

yeah, that's why rogue is best for mining

[glossy storm]

Also, i suggest to make a new skill to rogue. Percentage is a example. Next successful attack(to human, mob, object) damage 100%more when hitting from backside, and when it over, next 3 successful(to human, mob) attack will damage 100% less. This can make rogue's surprise attack more critical. But this skill is balanced by adding some restriction. 'Backside only' can prevent rogue's win when looking each other. 'Next 3 attack No damage' mean if first attack fail rogue will loss dps and battle ability. The reason I suggest this is I think rogue is a assassin, so first attack's meaning is important. Of course this can make rogue is fatal to who is off the guard. But On the othet hand rogue can't use skill bursting which means very weak to who is on the guard. Thank you.

Additional coment, to be this skill OP rogue must have ability to kill only with two attack

But only epic or more weapon can do this. So rogue who uses supplyment item can't use this.

It will take place like wizard's chain lightning which is only useful to strongly armed wizard.

[glossy storm]

Finally, all character have a way to use both hands without a perk efficiently. Like two handed-weapon, sword and shield, shord and crystall ball, etc. But rogue's left-hand weapon, daeger is normally not useful. So can you make rogue's left hand more useful?

If you like the suggestions please vote on dnd website.

[wind leaf]

Change Potion Chugger perk. Make it so that you can stack twice the effects of potions, by double drinking.

[obtuse stone]

bro wants 300 luck barbs running around

[wind leaf]

The luck potion has no duration though, it's more like a permanent buff, so that needs to be an exception or have smth done about it.

[somber wind]

Return Normal Lobbies but have Starter Lobbies be 1 random map daily (doesn't replace normals for that map, it's an additional option).

[arctic jasper]

Add Paladin

[sudden cipher]

Please add a UK BASED SERVER.

[glossy storm]

I want you to change like if skeleton wizard kill himself, the person last hit him will kill him.

[unique seal]

I would humbly like to request a crystal dagger that is wizard only with a moveset similar to the arming sword, that is all

[agile heath]

Barb should have a slayer like perk that synergizes with savage where you gain 10 ms while dual wielding but can't wear chest armor.
Gives a different option besides viking/horseman + lantern or 2h

[somber wind]

Optional (by default disabled) damage numbers from enemies like from dummies.

[visual violet]

thats not a terrible idea, a full surgkit however im fine with letting them heal mid fight.i just dont like riposte. but i think they need to be able to have other skills that are on par with second wind. i think second wind should be 30% and should happen over like 2 seconds so its never going to let you die before it happens but it also isnt something you can use in drawn out fights by kiting .

would allow you to force the use and only have to partially back and reengage .

[echo dome]

Lizard head piece attachment like scales /armor havent thought of item names but the idea would be great. Minor stats of course since you get 20 armor rating so like +1 magic power or w/e your class is your trying to build.https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512521/lizard-head-scalesarmor

[visual violet]

also while your at it, for the love of god, remove ranger traps from the game. im sick of losing 7k kits to someone with a blue bow bc he spent 28 gold and has 4 traps down hidden in bodies.

[plush sky]

Good god, remove crossbows from fighters. I cannot fathom how boring as hell it is seeing about 80% of my lobbies just FULL of fighters and crossbows. Bring some changes to meta

[storm blade]

So have 2nd wind be the same as 1 ration for a ranger haha

[onyx current]

Significantly increase quest item/crafting items drop rates. Too many earless goblins and peltless wolves. Quests take excessively long to do if we're gonna need to do this every wipe and kills arent too bad but collection quests take significantly longer in comparison

[visual violet]

i mean rangers have to actually do something to get the heal fighters simply pop it and and still act. so yes. and tbh i dont think rations is a well balanced skill either.

[unique seal]

Wholeheartedly agree esp in the department of spider silk

[jovial anvil]

give them a recurve instead, less damage, less slow.

arrows also take up more inv space

[fossil bridge]

Please for the love of God fix smite already. The amount of times I'm spamming the button to get it to go off and it still doesn't is insane

[echo dome]

nerf bard more just because

[fossil bridge]

Or 250hp barbs with 2 blue prot pots (+60hp) and a cleric protection (+20hp) for a total of 330 hp

[soft grove]

What is best way to find gingerbread cookies

[plush sky]

Windless even, just nor the bog standard one thats so stupid

[jovial anvil]

windlass would be too much, victory strike windlass with its 60% slow? you are trading a 9 mil for a 50 cal

[echo dome]

add musket with aoe might as well

[plush sky]

Would still prefer that from the reload time

[jovial anvil]

youd rather be one shot... brother what are you smoking

[plush sky]

Jesus chris chill yer bean

[inland surge]

make bard tranquility spell good again

[lavish iris]

why not make the AP across all maps? map leaderboards can stay but points should add up together

[patent mauve]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/506120/named-unique-old-shoes

Double jump boots

[woven jackal]

When an axe skele domes my buddy and kills him, it should promote to nightmare

[lone crescent]

Make the merchants sell more class specific items

Since trade between characters is not a thing having a bunch of gear you can't use in shop feels bad

Also i don't know how but make armorer useful for all classes

[woven jackal]

Remove raw % stats and replace them with more interesting stats - instead of move speed %, which is essentially always going to be based off of 300 move speed, give or take, give us % MS penalty negate, which works better when you're in plate and worse when you're naked

[wraith galleon]

Have to add where you can put in the items for quest one at a time. having to keep 15 leather caps to turn in all at once is never going to happen. makes us be stuck on first quest. ill never keep that many at one time and im sure nobody else wants too also. not enough room in inv. fix it please.

[pallid vector]

get 2nd stash slot and its fine, but yeah 1 at a time would be nice

[limber elbow]

need a solo mode to do quests, like Tailor NPC's quest to kill Demon bat, berseker or earn centaur horn, almost 100% cannot be done for some classes, quests should be done on this class instead If you create another class, you won't need to do it again, but when you create another class, you will have to do it all over again. It's like torture, but the reward is there or not, giving you a few hundred gold with a little experience when you don't need it.

[neon bolt]

make quest the same for all characters ffs

[pallid vector]

its possible on all classes, u can dodge every inferno enemy just look up guides/cheese them

[novel granite]

Maybe hear me out we get a quality of life update and add shift look to items to compare them from the one you're wearing and the one you are looting/chesting.

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[solemn needle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488989/introduce-bleeding-on-naked

[patent mauve]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/506120/named-unique-old-shoes
Double jump artifact boots

[hollow grotto]

Have a stash for the quest items, or have a way to turn them in partly at a time, because without its 6 down all the way left to right for 1 of the 2 start quests and both is 12 down total

[eternal shore]

Give more melee weapons block

[loud hazel]

get more space

[brittle karma]

Add the shrines on the map like how it already shows the statics, to then help new players learn the map iterations better

[lucid folio]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/512657/balance-suggestions-big-post

a lot of balance changes suggestions (to be read completely, not just one fav class, only makes sense combined)

[unique seal]

I would humbly beseech the team at Ironmace to create a Wizard only crystal dagger that has a moveset similar to the arming sword but inverted, (poke then two swipes) :)

[grizzled token]

This! Map should be more important than it is right now in terms of POI's, would drag more fights around them

[hollow grotto]

get me 3k then

[loud hazel]

LITERALLY 10 GAMES

[hollow grotto]

im not playing high roller I'm playing normal cuz i find it more fun

[eternal shore]

still like 10 games if you bring out some greens and blues

[tired ruin]

cleric should be able to carry a cross as a secondary thats one handed and allows casting while weilding a mace

[noble tide]

Less bass on the Perfect Block sound

[pseudo prism]

at what level does the woodsman start selling handcrossbows?

[naive elk]

trade me in the misc post.

[somber wind]

Nerf Ambush

[naive elk]

Nerf falchion.

[somber wind]

I don't agree with that since it's kind of MEH but sure if that's what it takes. I feel like it'd just kill the weapon lol

What class do you think is making Falchion too much? I don't think it's a problem with the falchion but the class using it itself most likely.

[naive elk]

I mean, tell me another one-hand weapon that has a two-handed weapon damage, a abnormal range and that make easy for you to hit a HS. Falchion is really superior to other one-hand weapons.

• High damage
• High range
• Perfect Animation
  People can argue about viking sword, but the straight up-down of it make easy to dodge If you have a good speed just going with "side steps".

[obtuse stone]

magic missile needs a cast time increase

in what world should wizard be able to just cast for 0.5s then instagib anyone that is in melee range

[silver kelp]

range damage being broken ha been fixed plenty of times in plenty other games, why can't this game fix it too there are countless examples to try. can we throw in some falloff damage for a few days and see how it goes?

[blazing dew]

What are the best warlock perks to run?

[fathom bolt]

anti magic, soul collector, dark reflection, last slot depends on build

[somber wind]

DPS wise the Rapier. The Falchion is for sure good but I think it's downside is genuinely it's swing speed, it's really slow if on anyone but the Fighter but I feel it's unfair to say that with one of Fighter's gimmicks being that it can make anything fast. If someone with a Falchion get's spooked by someone they wont swing fast enough for it to matter that they're responding and they'll die, with a Rapier, Shortsword, Arming Sword or even Longsword that's different. You could argue CoB with Falchion is abit absurd though due to the motion of the weapon itself but I don't think that would change even if the damage of the Falchion was lowered. The Arming Sword however is really nice and has an additional 5 movement speed over it, further range and faster attack speed making it's DPS actually slightly higher than the Falchion; the only thing the Falchion has over the Arming Sword is that it has bigger chunk damage for each hit which DOES matter for headshots however with Agility you can dance people better with the Arming Sword than you can with the Falchion. I would say if anything the Falchion and Arming Sword are equal BUT heavily affected by playstyle and will cause 1 or the other to be better depending on the player themselves biases in how they actually play.

[fathom wyvern]

Ive made 8k gold including the upgrade and still need 5 mimics, feels kind of silly

[obtuse stone]

blue rapiers with WIS rolls sell for 200g surely this rogue class is not disgustingly overpowered

[limber elbow]

make video about play with inferno monster and player chase you at the same time

[fathom wyvern]

bards run rapiers that just have high dmg too +I feel like not a lot get posted

[prime viper]

The Luck potion and potion of healing share the spame spot on your chacater model's utility belt and overlap eachother, i think this should be fixed. Just alittle thing

[gloomy lotus]

Where do you submit for the art contest

[ornate onyx]

so the weapon thats OP on the most OP class is actually harder to acquire then a purple falchion that is definetly worse cus it definetly doesnt 2 shot everyone that doesnt wear plate armor with WIS rolls?

makes sense to me

[mellow hatch]

Have the woodsman sell hand xbows more reliably please please please!

[obtuse stone]

WIS blue falchion isn't selling for 200g lil bro try again 💀

[ornate onyx]

yeah no the purple sells for 200 blues are about 100 150 anyway just buy an awp for 14 gold from the woodsman xd

[grand kraken]

Make the quest account wide, so that you can have fun on other classes too without feeling like ur wasting your time.

[vernal hedge]

this would be good for QOL, but has quest's are tied in with crafting BIS items this would be too strong has you go from 2 possible crafts an hour, to 16 an hour(8 character is the max I believe).
They could however make the craft screen account wide but this would remove the reward from people questing on other characters to increase their changes at crafting god-like items

[umbral raptor]

any danger of doing anything about the region that shall not be named cheating, teaming and rmting????
OCE GC HR is unplayable, crypts is full of them spectate sniping

[unique seal]

Who knows but we just gotta suck it up and start killing em off in the dungeons

[naive elk]

Good points tho. Agree with most of points about armin x falchion, but its like I said; falchion overshadow the other weapons, they could lower a bit the falchion dmg around the same as the viking sword.
The main problem with falchion is the brute damage really, I cant comprehend why it has to have so high damage, the slow swing doesnt "balance" at all the free 35-36 dmg, a green one can have 39dmg at max... Its a lot.

[ripe turtle]

Ironmace, please...remove spectate mode and replace it with replay system where you can watch previous matches as soon as they have ended. Teamers, RMTs and other cheaters are using spectating mode to "stream snipe" other players. For instance, random player is hiding in a dark without any potions or light sources to expose him/her. Then these players come out of nowhere and "accidentally" find this player in a corner and without hesitation kill this player. This sort of hideous action is unfair, unsporting, downright rude and it should be a bannable offense.

EDIT: With replay system, players could easily spot these cheaters and not only report them, but allow them to record the footage with ease or to download the footage in a mp4 format to desktop. We need more players to find and expose these toxic players before Dark and Darker becomes another cheating haven for criminals to roam free without consequences.

[wind leaf]

Split Fighters Weapon Mastery into 2 perks. Melee Mastery and Ranged Mastery each perk with its own kind of drawback.

[pale ginkgo]

remove tip of the weapon does more damage then the rest mechanics might help to balance melee weapon for fighter better

[crude ridge]

items sold to traders increases your standing with them. It's a little much to have to grind for 15 campfires or leather caps for just 50 affinity.

[frosty moss]

remove sprint

[austere nacelle]

warlock's blow of corruption is too strong, and rogue as a whole is too strong. i have my own frustrations with the game and im not gonna call for a nerf for every issue i have, but these 2 things definitely need a nerf

[crude ridge]

add in daily quests/tasks given by traders for smaller amounts of affinity

[rose lily]

BoC is very straight forward and is choreographed, just run away until it runs out and then go back in for the kill. Almost akin to pushing smite cleric, you will most likely die if you don't wait the timer out.

[austere nacelle]

you're not always afforded that luxory. its still too strong either way. damage needs to be toned down just a smidge

[rose lily]

Understandable but I'm on the other side of the fence with that, they kinda need it so they don't get dunked on by melee considering they bridge the gap of melee and spells.

Too close range to compete with wizard so that leaves as a mid range spell user with a mid melee

[austere nacelle]

all im saying is the damage should be toned down just a smidge. tiny bit. there's no reason they should do that much free damage on a decently quick cooldown. makes gob caves for warlock so ez and free

[rose lily]

It doesn't but I understand why you feel that way

[austere nacelle]

i can say from experience that it does. you can disagree all you want, but i've seen it and done it.

[rose lily]

You will still die to rangers, barbs, clerics, wizards, and sometimes rogues.

[graceful beacon]

I don't think rogue needs a nerf

[rose lily]

I play warlock so I know for a fact it doesn't but whatever you say man. Enjoy the dungeosn brother.

[austere nacelle]

okay rangers and wizards, yea cause range. everything else? just blow of curruption. ez. dont even have to try. and @graceful beacon spoken like a true rogue main lol jk

[graceful beacon]

I'm not a rogue main but why do you think that rogues are overpowered

[rose lily]

That's like 60% of the characters wtf are you on loo

[austere nacelle]

i said "jk" which means "just kidding" in case you missed that part chicken, and milky it was literally 2...

[rose lily]

I listed more than two but we will not talk about those

[austere nacelle]

and i replied with agreeing to 2 and saying the rest you just BoC.

[graceful beacon]

I know what jk means, I'm asking you why you think rogue is overpowered

[graceful beacon]

can't really boc pdr fighter in my experience because they outdamage

[austere nacelle]

cause they can melt just about anyone in the blink of an eye and even if you stood a chance they'll just dance around you. i get rogue is supposed to be like a glass cannon, so i get he's supposed to be strong in his own sense, but the current playstyle in both norm and high roller for any of the 3 dungeons is just sickening playing against rogues as any melee class

[rose lily]

He is right you are wrong, he knows best.

[austere nacelle]

when i got 1 tapped from BoC from full hp with just a white halberd i'd say that would make me just a little right.. but ok.

[graceful beacon]

I've never really experienced this on any class other than wizard and ranger but those are obviously countered by rogue

[rose lily]

What class were you playing.

[graceful beacon]

wait out the boc, run away for a little bit. once you know its gone just fight then in the 10 seconds cool down.

[rose lily]

He couldn't afford the luxury, the warlock was also a ninja

[austere nacelle]

couldnt run because he surprised me from behind in the dark corner and i was cleric with a hounskull on. like i said milky, not every situation is gonna be your perfect ideal situation.

[rose lily]

Bro if you died to warlock as cleric idk what to say, your magic counters him haha

[austere nacelle]

bro if you cant read idk what to say the words counter you haha

[rose lily]

Idk man enjoy the gob caves dude remember to use your torch so ninjas don't get you haha

[austere nacelle]

there's no reason blow should 1 tap anyone. power like that on a relatively quick cooldown is just too strong. im not asking to nerf it to the ground like you're making me sound like, i just want it toned down a smidge is all

[rose lily]

All I'm saying is it's a bad change. If they nerfed it a smidgen you'd have most likely still died especially since you died to a class you directly counter.

[austere nacelle]

same with rogue, not asking to nerf it to the ground. just a slight adjustment. not even that big a deal.

i didnt even get a chance to fight and yet im supposed to counter him? did you even read the part where i said "1 tap" or "relatively quick cooldown"? and thats just ok? right. sorry forgot eveyrone should be broken and unfair to make it a more enjoyable experience for everyone

[rose lily]

There is no way you got one tapped unless you were straight up naked.

[austere nacelle]

i had a hounskull, heater, plate boots, riveted, and frock and he 1 taps in the head with white halberd

[rose lily]

Post a video the next time it happens, please, I've bonked many people and not once have I one bonked a full hp cleric in hounskull

You had to be lower than full it doesn't make sense.

[austere nacelle]

if it will give you something to do other than sit here and police this chat then bet, i will. and no, i was full. i had just healed.

[rose lily]

You chose to engage, I left it a while back and you picked it back up lol

[austere nacelle]

no, you did lol and im gonna actually gonna go play the game now instead of making abunch of invalid points for a pointless argument.

[rose lily]

You crave my attention. Smoochies for you

[austere nacelle]

i think you have it twisted, but whatever makes you happy bud.

[rose lily]

Okay thanks papa, I can sleep now.

We pray for no more BoC ninjas

[low needle]

Lower the fire rate of magic missile maybe just seperate the casting speed from the firing rate that would make it fair

[visual violet]

can we just reduce the amount of boss kills to 2 HR kills. killing the lich 15 times isnt hard its just so time consuming

[austere nacelle]

Oh, 1 thing i forgot to mention, we should be allowed to turn in task items without needing all the items all at once. That way people wont have leather caps and campfires among other things filling up their entire stash. That would be a huge QoL improvement

[graceful frost]

or just re lower the dmg again?

[green vapor]

No because 50% scaling was kind of trash, damage is fine, its just how quick you can actually die because it shoots like an ak, needs to be lower fire rate

[low needle]

exactly laybe 70% scaling and lower the speed

[floral totem]

can u nerf goblin archers a little i'm getting 360 no scoped by fking goblins archers

[cedar breach]

I'm sure this has been said already but can we get a way to track quests in-game?

[trim solar]

Make Clense untrap an ally from Bear trap

Make coin purses white quality

[somber wind]

* The player never notices they're Shadow Banned and will continue to play like normal and complain about how there's too many cheaters and how haggling is hard.
* The player notices and creates a new account and buys the game again after being Shadow Banned for a little while (which is no different than a normal ban except it might keep them off of the game longer than just banning them).
* The player notices and enjoys being allowed to play even if they're cheating and even though they're only fighting other cheaters. An example of this is Counter Strike Global Offensive's Hack Vs Hack servers being as popular as they are.
* The player notices and because they don't want to have to buy the game again on a new account they never play again.

In 3 of these situations we have players who are cheaters that never return to the main servers and don't negatively affect the game. Where there's only 1 success situation for normal bans (in which the person cant play at all) which is the person decides to never come back because they'd have to spend money to buy the game again on a new account. The only upside to this situation is that cheaters will buy the game again but this is still a potential situation with Shadow Banning although it'll just be less often but Shadow banning will be healthier for the game and will only hurt this specific source of income but not remove it.```

[echo wharf]

fighter needs to be reworked. PDR, Range, SEcond wind, class is broken

[onyx current]

Just putting that out there for somebody to make an actual suggestion: Named Unique boots that make you sound like a skelly when running :3

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[loud cliff]

Please IM - Let us drag spells around in the spell/song priority list in the Class menu. Please.

It is HELL having to unslot/reslot songs in order to get them into the correct order as Bard.

[graceful falcon]

Ironmace, please r*gion lock your srvrs and save those in the Oceanic region from the hordes of hackers that all coincidentally originate from the same place (starts with Chi)

[next wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/pooping-poop-man-explode-gif-16281124 < Suggestion

[dense rover]

Rogues whould start with a giant rat skin

[dense rover]

Omg rasism!1!1!1

[spice pelican]

alt+tabbed before entering dongeon. screen goes kinda wonky. After pressing find raid I got into pre lobby and game crashed. first time on for several months. dont know if this is known issue. Having problems loading game back up now

[somber wind]

I genuinely want a Ratfolk race.

[small furnace]

Add kobolds, little midget lizards running around.

[ruby kestrel]

quieter walking sound + cant wear boots

[somber wind]

That'd be based, I like that. Giving up movement speed for quietness.

[ruby kestrel]

yeah for sure movement speed and pdr for quiet seems fair enough

[somber wind]

The thought I had was way more overpowered and underpowered at the same time so I decided to not mention it. True Darksight, can see in the dark but light makes you blind.

[ruby kestrel]

ooh thats wild

[somber wind]

It'd be very good but all it takes is a torch to mess you up

[ruby kestrel]

would be easily countered with a torch tho

[somber wind]

It'd be great for ambushes but you'd need to get used to being counterable via light sources. Explosive bottles would also be an even bigger hinderence.

[ruby kestrel]

people running lantern in offhand would 100% counter

[somber wind]

Which would make Lanterns alot better than they are right now for anyone other than Bard or Warlock

[ruby kestrel]

wait why are they good with bard and warlock lol

[somber wind]

I think there's ALOT of positives though to being able to fight in absolute darkness

[ruby kestrel]

rogue landmine would go crazy

[somber wind]

Lanterns don't have weight so their modifiers are great for Rapier Bard and Warlock's option of the Falchion + Lantern is actually fairly good as it's meta to NOT have the Crystal ball in the off hand due to movement speed reduction (You'd have your Weapon on 1 and Crystal Ball on 2, but ideally you use a Staff since Ray of Darkness will scale way better with it anyway).

[ruby kestrel]

ah

[somber wind]

A speedy warlock is a scary warlock

[ruby kestrel]

honestly I play warlock and just run crystal ball and falchion because it makes it easy to pop spells and then hit back without swapping weapons

[somber wind]

Oh it 100% does but that movement speed can be a killer and with the lantern you can easily fight anywhere. Mix that with some movement speed modifiers on the lantern and some stats for buffing CoB and you have a scary combo.

[ruby kestrel]

i play more defensively so i dont really value move speed as much as time saved swapping things and ease of different forms of attacks

[ruby kestrel]

wth is CoB

[somber wind]

Ment to say BoC LUL (Blow of Corruption)

On the bard side, bard can get obscenenly high action speed as it makes sense to dump into Dexterity since it affects Song playing speed while also having the ability to go +38% Action Speed via a mix of songs and perks.

[ruby kestrel]

bards ass tho so its not gotta be any better

[torn tulip]

please can you finally nerf hunters? this is a joke that their time to kill is less than a second with triple shot and mine as a caster lock is like 15 seconds.
rogues also have an opener time to kill of like 2 seconds. mages hit like a truck... why is warlocks only option boc. and even then if u dont kill em ya time to kill is a lot slower. r

[small furnace]

A warlock two taps with BoC, A rogue can two tap coming out of stealth, and a Wizard can kill someone with a single spell if they land a good magic missile.

If your time to kill is that long and every ranger you come across is killing you in less than a second then perhaps it's time to reflect and look inward rather than outward.

[torn tulip]

i use boc and its fine, easy kills. requires no skill.
ranger is super easy to shoot people in the leg and with a dumb 35% movement decrease its crazy for anyone pushing. fyi i can dodge crossbolts easy.
i want to play caster lock. its time to kill its way longer than any other class.

[small furnace]

Caster warlock also has infinite sustain the ability to heal from absolutely nothing and the easiest get out of jail free card in the entire game.

The 35% move speed slow isn't even meta on ranger. If you can easily dodge a crossbow bolt then you should not have problems dodging arrows as arrows move much slower than crossbow bolts.

[torn tulip]

the time between shots is far less. triple shot close range is very hard to dodge.
i play all classes and dont struggle much at all.
i simply believe ranger needs a damage nerf, its the most puss puss class in the game, it has the easiest time in pve and pvp.
if youve played every class also, u should be able to understand this message.
warlocks sustain is not what we are discussing.
caster warlock also kills themselves, the double cost spells was not a good nerf.

[small furnace]

I have played every class except bard, ranger doesn't need a damage nerf they're fine where they are. If you want to see which classes are broken take a look at which classes are overrepresented in the dominant meta, and when I say that I'm not referring to gear-less queues.

[torn tulip]

my team mate is barely geared and doesnt have a chest piece and hes hitting 97 headshots. he landed 2 shots and it was 2 kills... its an insane amount of damage for a headshot. spells have a travel time etc.
i dont think ranger should be doing that much dmg considering its super easy in both pve and pvp. im not sure what classes are overrepresented, i know ruins is dominated by rogues, even solo rogues, but HR farming isnt a good indication on broken surely? when treasure is all the points and kills are basically 0.

[somber wind]

Bard is great with good gear but dog water ungeared

[small furnace]

Your teammate is barely geared and hitting 97 headshots? Don't believe you, post proof of your 'barely geared' teammate hitting these 97 headshots and I'll believe you. Until you do I'll see it as an over exaggeration on your part.

On top of that "2 shots 2 kills" doesn't mean anything. A ranger is not going to be 1 shotting someone with a headshot 99% of the time unless they are absolutely turbogeared and the person they're against has very little gear.

It is not a 'super easy class in both pve and pvp' ranger can cheese inferno more easily than every other class sure, but in order to clear pve as fast as other classes do they need to take spear mastery which means they can't use the superior pvp weapon choice for melee the arming sword.

Which classes are overrepresented and have the most success in HR is a great indicator of which classes are powerful. People tend to gravitate to the easiest, highest success rate classes. Of course exceptions can exist like how fighter is the actual most popular class because of how low the skill floor is, but in general that tends to be the case.

Ranger should ABSOLUTELY be doing as much damage as they are because it's pretty much the only thing they do, they are a one trick pony. Wizards have a crazy amount of utility on top of their damage, warlocks can infinite heal permanently off of nothing and live in the storm on top of their damage. Fighters clear pve at an insane rate and still have access to ranged options that do nearly as much if not more than rangers. Rogues can get out of any situation they desire with their movespeed and hide skill. Clerics can self-heal and buff into infinity... Rangers ONLY have damage. That is the one thing they can do that other classes cannot do consistently, it's damage at range. When you suggest to nerf the one thing they're good at you're suggesting to kill the class because you don't know how to deal with consistent ranged damage.

[ruby kestrel]

might try playing soon. tryin to max level all characters this wipe.

[small furnace]

Good wipe to do it. Level 1 free HR means you can level up turbo fast on any character.

[ruby kestrel]

yeah thats why I started doing it tho

for classes I havnt really played yet I still run normals to get used to pve mostly

[somber wind]

Reminder the first class to reach Demigod was Bard, it overshot it by 20,000 AP as well before anyone else got to Demigod.

[small furnace]

2nd was rogue!!! Gotta give Repoze his credit

[somber wind]

Oh 100% but Rogue isn't unexpected as well, my reasoning for mentioning bard is because of the implication that bard isn't good

[small furnace]

Yeah just throwing it out there. Bard is still really strong in high gear situations, the disconnect is between anyone that isn't high geared having a miserable experience trying to play the post-nerf class.

There's a reason the number 1 boss team (Apollo's team) bring a bard with them almost every time.

[stone ingot]

Give rangers a quiver for their arrows and make the quiver have perks at different item levels. They lose the cape but get a quiver to hold arrows and not take inventory space

[fathom bolt]

those are planned

[stone ingot]

That’s sick. Any idea when?

[fathom bolt]

Not sure, but they did say they wanted to add them

[small furnace]

Quiver will take up a bag slot, not a cape slot. Def shouldn't have benefits unless bags do

[stone ingot]

Or just give quivers perks and rangers can choose the cape or quiver

[small furnace]

You aint understanding me, quiver will not take up the same slot as cape, like it's confirmed. It will take up a bag slot (those things at the bottom that are currently unused)

[torn tulip]

my snipping tool aint working or loading file but his gloves is 2 vigor 1 additional physical, legs, 2 agi 2 dex, boots 2 agi 1 magic power, cape 2 str, - bow is the only good one, an epic with 2 weap dmg (recurve) and two trash stats. i mean most rangers ive seen taking spear, but also u can just easily shoot mobs from a distance and theyre dead pretty quickly before they get to you.
i also think fighters shouldnt have access to a bow or crossbow because they are able to just throw axes, as they have speed and regen i feel they dont need crossbows and bows.
it wont kill the class, that is an insane exaggeration.
they have traps. they have a lot of utility by trapping doors and can camp portals etc. 1 trap is guaranteed death.
im guessing you main ranger? ^^

we've just been on like a 5 or 6 game winstreak with him tapping people easily, the damage is far too high.
i dont think any class should be able to 1 tap someone, thats BOC included (ive 1 tapped many a geared rogue, i hate boc, its not skillful)

[unique seal]

Once more I beseech thee at Ironmace, please up the drop rate of Spider Silk or something

[rough gorge]

I've had a thought for a miniboss. It would be a DemiLich (floating skull with jewels for eyes) it raises 2 skeletons 1 ranged 1 melee and it shoots out its mouth the lich's normal ranged attack at half hp it puts on a shield and summon 4 skellies 2 ranged and 2 melee and stick it in the wraith/ skelly champ room in crypts removing the bordering skeletons that are there so the mechanics can be done. When it dies mainly finding jewels and what ever *crafting * item that can be placed with it.

[unique seal]

Old cloth upon thee

[rough gorge]

👉 👈 maybe a royal gem

[harsh forge]

my brother rangers are probably one of the weakest classes. ah, the wizard/warlock is complaining about the only class that counters them. rangers are pretty well balanced for what they are rn. it would be nice if they added some more ways to play it as it seems a pretty boring class. besides its damn difficult to hit arrows on people in the higher ranks, turns into a guessing game at most. and another note (I heard this from another thread so don't trust it entirely) the devs dont play ranger as they said its boring.

[small furnace]

I do main ranger, mained fighter for awhile as well. Played every class except bard which I disliked so much upon trying I never touched it again.

When I said 'proof' I meant show me a video showing the gear and then show that it's a 97 damage headshot because I just don't buy it. You describing the gear for me doesn't do much. Rangers having to take spear to clear pve mobs is a big deal, cause spear is terrible in pvp scenarios, meaning they are mostly helpless up close if they have to take the spear. They can clear from a distance for sure but the SPEED at which they clear is not optimal in comparison to other classes. I understand Wizards have the same clearing problem but they have other strengths to make up for it.

I'm glad you are having a good streak of wins, but the class is not broken, Warlock is not either, nor is fighter.

[harsh forge]

same energy as casting protection on the dead skeleton on the ground instead of your dying friend

[torn tulip]

Yeah I mean as a ranger main that doesn't see any problem in your damage the conversation is pointless.

I also don't care if you don't buy it. It's just the DMG he did with multiple terrible items on him.

But a ranger main saying that DMG is all they have despite many rangers taking multiple traps into dungeons is a silly argument.

I posted because I was annoyed at rangers damage. I equally believe recurve, longbow and crossbows should be nerfed.
The fact every fighter has a crossbow. Bard does a meme double crossbow etc. means the ranged hitscan needs a nerf 😂😂

Ya don't see any rangers running a survival bow that actually takes a lot more skill due to the drop off.

[small furnace]

If you're the kind of person that says I can't participate in the conversation because I main the class then I don't see a reason in talking with you anyway. Yes, sure. Ranger is OP and you are so very oppressed and IM just doesn't want to nerf the class because they main it.

[torn tulip]

I agree. They probably do main ranger or fighter 😂

Most people struggle to see a problem with their own class.

I play ranger and get bored at how easy it is. But I can equally say what should have tweaks and rangers have been able to 1 shot with a bow for a long time.

Bruh. He said rangers are the weakest class. You don't need to argue with someone that's clearly delusional.

[harsh forge]

having range is important, but id argue that most team comps I run into in 3s is easily wiz cleric barb. I don't really understand how they are "meta" they can just shoot arrows a little quicker and have a triple shot and trap ability. but several classes have ranged options with crossbow and the fighter being literally able to use a bow while countering with projectile resistance. as a fighter main I almost always curb rangers. the only time I absolutely got mauled was when I played cleric and wiz and just got outranged. dodging arrows be easy this time of year tho.

[fathom bolt]

fighters are a bigger issue than rangers purely because fighter is basically ranger but with PDR

[small furnace]

Ranger isn't weak, they're just not the strongest class rn and that's fine.

Most meta comps right now are wizard + cleric + barb/fighter/bard depending on the goal of the comp. Wizard and Cleric being the staple meta classes in 3s.

[harsh forge]

fighters have low DPS worse ranged capabilities and the only time iv'e been saved by PDR is fighting other fighters and clerics, or rogues (if they don't ambush me from behind) barbs 2 shot me in full plate constantly and wizards spin us around like were a lightning rod in the 1800s. the advantage we have is adaptability. its the reason the class is the easiest to get into. you dont have to be super niche to do well with it like warlock. in fact I got one tapped by a warlock yesterday who bonked me in the head with a staff at 120 hp. (some sort of meta true magic build thats pretty popular rn as I ran into it in the GC as well.

[obtuse stone]

have fighter mains finally become more delusional than rogue mains? what is going on?

[craggy cobalt]

Low dps? are you kidding yourself?

[glossy storm]

Can you increase the probability of spider silk, which drops very rarely from giant spiders, or make it possible to deliver quests that can only be delivered as loot in various quests even if they are not loot?

[jade pumice]

wtf kind of quest is 15 wolf pelt and 1 troll pelt

[glossy storm]

I agree with you. Quests should be adjust.

[sick scaffold]

skills should display their cooldowns in class tab

[hard meadow]

it should be; a 35% movespeed decrease for free is absolutely mental.

[granite plinth]

its a quest where you need 15 wolf pelts and 1 troll pelt

[cerulean fossil]

just do something with hunter traps, its the most unfun thing in this game

[late patrol]

wizart's magic misile is totally broken, nerf just the damage of the pvp

[granite plinth]

we should be able to turn in quest items one by one, i dont have room in my stash for 15000 campfires and leather caps

[livid mason]

id be happy with that honestly

[torn tulip]

ikr, fully agree, its busted AF, fighter uses sprint, easy leg shot...hes basically stunned.

[somber wind]

Allow pickaxes to roll modifiers like Instruments can so I can do a funny combat pickaxe build :^)

[tulip hill]

Since each step inflicts damage while you are trapped, it would be pretty reasonable to get rid of the chain
I personally don't have a huge issue with hunting traps
sure they can be extremely potent but 9/10 their value comes from the victim not being careful enough

[tulip hill]

fully agree with this, especially since there is no telling how many runs it will take you to find the items you need
a sting of bad luck can leave a quarter of your stash taken up by quest items for an unreasonably long time

[weary prairie]

anybody know if IM intends to let Ranger-Traps kills count as a kill for the Ranger and not for the Trap itself?

[urban ibex]

Suggestion: make a 5v5 dungeon, will be chaotic but so fun

[torn tulip]

can quests be completed by your main? im not doing them for my alts... this is stupid

[granite plinth]

loose loot is not spawning !!!!

[fierce narwhal]

Buff magic healing

[ripe turtle]

Race skins need more love in terms of racial traits! Please leave your vote, if you agree! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/509121/racial-traits-need-to-be-special

[analog turret]

Add peter griffin skin to dark and darker

[plush sky]

There needs to be some REAL balancing of stats. How can a rogue with 35 agility be caught up to by a warlock with 16 when viewed aftrer? No "Additional move speed" either.. it's just nuts. NO magic used just shot after shot of a falcion despite being able to outrun comfortably

[analog turret]

Someone’s mad they died LOL

[plush sky]

Typical losers response there.. Nothing to add ggs..

[surreal panther]

Please make wisps fly, the one under the well keeps dying to floor spikes.

[dark sundial]

Who else thinks end zones need to take longer to allow fighting

[tulip hill]

I'm a little confused by your situation so feel free to correct me if you believe I'm mistaken
by the sounds of it, the real killer in that death was the on hit slow that all weapons have
Falchion in particular has deceptively long reach and a hefty on hit slow
a lot of the time in situations like that is less of a matter of the enemy being faster than you and more of the speed difference not being enough to get you out of reach before you die
there is also a lot of other factors that feed into movement speed, shrines, buffs from team mates, movement speed penalties based on the armor you're wearing
oh! and if you are running double jump keep in mind that has a large movement speed penalty on it now

[plush sky]

Yes I am well aware of this game there is no need to explain how shrines and so on work. It was the start of the game so no buffs, after spectating he had nothing but plain white gear on. No double jumping, I had 35 agility and after going invisible and backtracking about 15 steps while he was still going in that one direction. Managed to still catch up while doing a 180 turn and have the ability to catch up and swing all while i was doing nothing but holding down W.

There should no world where that agility different should be able to catch up that quick at all

So then if b-hopping basically mitigates movement, it needs sorting. The original point is still valid that the difference in movement speeds/agility/buffs shouldn't allow that, either me attacking or defending it

[naive elk]

Allow rogue to use hand crossbow without a perk.
https://tenor.com/view/poor-robin-hood-alms-gif-14245892

[tulip hill]

There was no intent to patronise, I just know frustration can make us blind to otherwise simple explanations
Though the way you describe it, I'm having trouble rationalising the situation
by the sounds of it, you should have been in the clear
that leads me to 3 possible conclusions

1. There is missing context that would explain how the warlock caught up to you
2. Poor connection caused you to move as a slower than you should have (haven't noticed this problem in this game but I know its possible)
3. The warlock could possibly be cheating in some way, though cheats of that nature are a lot less common than your classic ESP style cheats

Also for the b-hopping, it is really only effective on the first swing, the way you described it he would still need to get to you first
In any case, this doesn't sound like a problem with the balance

[long blade]

you dont see people running with survival bow because it blows lmao

[terse marten]

I throw drums instead of survival bow on bard

[tulip hill]

Honestly, I don't mind needing a perk to use hand crossbows
its a very useful tool for rogue
the problem is that rogue really relies on their perks to be effective so if you wanna run hand crossbows you have to really leverage what it provides to make up for not having a different perk there
basically, if you're not hitting your rupture with it or peppering the enemy with several bolts, you're going to feel like its not worth it

[naive elk]

Problem is that fighter and the other class has access to a strong way to deal range damage. Fighters have crossbow, clerics have holy light, barbarian have franciscas, warlocks and wiz BoC/Zap. Only way a rogue has to deal damage a mid/short range is throwing knife and lets be honest... They suck.
But yeah, its basically you said about rogue relie too much on specific perks.

[long blade]

If you compare rogue to other classes at the moment they have an absurd amount of perks, some of them really need to be condensed. It's just so hard to feel like a complet class when you have so many variables you cannot include.

[tulip hill]

totally agree, especially with some of the more utility focused perks
things like trap detection and lockpick expert are really nice to have but you give up so much by running them
not to mention their solution to everyone saying Hide's duration was too long was to hard nerf it and give us a perk just to make it almost as good as it use to be

[long blade]

The fact that hide and stealth are two different perks is really tough

[tulip hill]

one thing I suggested for that is to have some of the existing perks to have +hide duration as part of the perk rather than having a dedicated perk for that
for example, pickpocket, along with its normal effect, would also give like +25% hide duration or however you want to grant the bonus

[ancient ferry]

They should buff warlock they are so weak

[torn tulip]

imo classes should have PASSIVES - rogues for example, should be able to move 10 steps in stealth without a perk as a passive, wtf. they also should be able to not show items on the belt as a passive also.

[tulip hill]

Warlock's biggest weakpoint is their low spell capacity
Bolt of Darkness is really potent, Blow of Corruption still slaps if you land the headshot
curse warlock is definitely a lot weaker now that Torture Mastery has a downside but that was honestly deserved
all things considered I think warlock is in a good spot atm

[torn tulip]

blow of corruption is melee btw, its not even close to a range spell, even curses have dog shit range.

[naive elk]

I mean CoP, lmao.

[torn tulip]

i feel zap and cop are no way near similar to a fighter having a crossbow. or a ranger... spells are hard af to hit from a distance.

[naive elk]

Im not saying they should be equal or they are equal, just that they have a way to deal/kill someone at mid range combat.

[wintry egret]

so are bows and x-bows not only that but warlocks and wizards are insane right now, if youre too bad to be able to play the class play something else

[tulip hill]

also I'd compare Bolt of Darkness and Ice Bolt to the ranged weapons

[torn tulip]

i think there should be less ways to kill people at range, i think fighters should be limited to thrown weapons just like rogues and barbs

[long blade]

One thing I am thinking is when the talent tree is added there will be passives.

[wintry egret]

so the slowest class in the game is limited to throwing axes at rogues an rangers that can just out run and out range em, what kind of stupid suggestion is that instead of looking at what YOUR problem is you want every one to get a nerf, pathetic

[torn tulip]

the slowest class in the game? that has sprint... throwing axes is fine. barbs take a ton to be able to compete at range. also the fact you said xbow and bows are hard to land is a joke xD i think we can tell youre a fighter main that struggles unless they afk standing still.

[wintry egret]

find me on the leaderboard for ruins im top 50 currently and i do it solo, i have watched warlocks clear lobbies if you genuinly think that sprint is enough youre definetly not on my level

[tulip hill]

I see what you're saying, range is a very potent thing to have, and I do find melee combat a lot more interesting than ranged vs ranged fights
but the less ranged options there are in the game the more powerful ranged options become
imagine if you will, a world where Ranger is the only one with a good ranged option
every team would need a ranger, else an enemy ranger would have not just an ranged advantage but a complete dominance

[naive elk]

Fighter didnt have to lose the crossbow, but they have to nerf it to the ground or just put lock it behind a perk just like rogue. Because lets be fair, crossbow deal TOO MUCH damage, even being white/gray.

[torn tulip]

youre playing the easiest class in the game bro, please calm down. also those warlocks are probs BOC which isnt skillful, 1 tapping a rogue etc isnt fun nor do i think im good to do it.
the fact a fighter main is crying in this chat is disappointing xD "find me on the leaderboards!!!!" woo. bro u probs run campfires and crossbows to survive with ya pdr. enjoy buddy.

[wintry egret]

i agree how ever crossbow is super easy to dodge i dont use crossbows i use recurves cus theyre better through and through, crossbow is bad unless close enough compared to the bow, do i think ranged is too strong yes, but it really comes down to movement speed rangers win cus they can just run away same with rogues, wizards, warlocks, get a lil move speed in your build no one can catch ya and you just widdle people down

[torn tulip]

eh tbf, i also think rangers need a big nerf on dmg, i was saying last night that they shouldnt be able to 1 tap people. ruins the fun in the game when u can be 1 tapped. rangers having 35% slow is a great way to stop people closing the gap, its skillful and u just keep creating distance and have traps. i just dont think they need big dmg.

[wintry egret]

why are you making excuses for yourself, ive mained fighter for a very long time and can safely say if someone calls them the easiest class theyre probably not good at the game at all

[torn tulip]

are you trying to act like fighter is a difficult class? you must be delusional., ive played all classes for many hours except bard (gave up with the songs n things). fighter and ranger are the two easiest classes for PVE and PVP.

[wintry egret]

@torn tulip you can sit there and say "theyre stronger than me" all day instead of fixing yourself and youre going to remain a trashcan for a long time

[naive elk]

The point is, isnt about being easy or hard to dodge, the weapon is too strong and any fighter can use it without penalty or drawback. A HS with a crossbow in any class (Except barb) is basically a free win and even If you hit the body, still dealing a lot of damage. After you hit it, you just draw your falchion and 1/2 tap the enemy.
I say the same about falchion, I still say the weapon is too strong having a base 35dmg at gray and almost 40 in green. "The swing is slow" still having a fricking free big chunk of free damage.

[torn tulip]

excuse me pumpkin, i was just talking about ranged fights needing a nerf, no one was complaining about fighters being strong, you just got upset cos you think your beloved fighter class might get nerfed. please dont speak up when youre too stupid.

[wintry egret]

stay mad stay bad sweety

[jovial anvil]

I feel like all classes are strong in their own regard rn. Landmine rogue. Smite cleric. Throwable barb. Pdr fighter. Ranger just being ranger. BoC warlock. Are all pretty solid imo

And artillery wiz

[wintry egret]

exactly if you're getting rocked by a rock paper scissors kind of game look at what you're doing wrong not whats wrong with everyone else, i think thats probably the biggest issue is a bunch of people refuse to look at what they did wrong

[jovial anvil]

The game isn't even rock paper scissors ATM, unless you are a full pdr fighter and then you get styled by a wiz bc you have no Mr. Other than that it seems pretty even.

[torn tulip]

youre not wrong, but my issue is being forced to play a certain way... caster lock imo is in a pretty terrible spot with torture mastery doubling costs on everything... including hydra that isnt even related to curses. etc.

[wintry egret]

thats a fair point, theres always room for a misplay or outplay

[jovial anvil]

Brother, I get that but there is barely any content in the game right now other than the basic dungeon running. Right now we lack class diversity, which I don't even think is as much of a problem as other things plagueing the game ATM. Spudhunter made an awesome vid summing it up

Also the gameplay loop RN is HR or just find a new game for the wipe.

[small furnace]

Hell yeah, actually trying to make the lizardman race useful, I approve.

[torn tulip]

yeah but some good changes will stop the diversity surely?

[jovial anvil]

The thing is, good is subjective here. Wiz got a buff everyone played wiz. Barb got a buff look at GC warlocks are in GC a ton now too. Barb got buffed so we see less slayer and more pdr. Rangers aren't as common, doesn't mean it's bad just means it doesn't fit the meta. I'm calling the next patch to buff ranger bc it's play rate is low and not bc it's counters excel. That seems to be how they have been balancing

Reactive balancing leads to power creep

[small furnace]

Oh, don't say that. This dude will lose his mind if you say rangers are getting a buff.

[jovial anvil]

It's just a recognizable pattern

Look at wiz for example. They don't do minor touches to scaling it's either 50 or 100. They have done both but instead of trying 75% scaling they just tuned it back to 100

[torn tulip]

i wouldnt lose my mind, it would just be a dumb thing to do, id just play ranger.
they arent in short supply though, i see rangers everywhere. especially on ruins HR.
id argue bard needs a total rework because its just hit nerf after nerf.
caster lock needs changing.

[small furnace]

Why are you talking to me? I'm a ranger main and I have no interest in talking to you, don't talk to me.

[jovial anvil]

Caster lock will be fine when they get MH scaling sorted

[torn tulip]

u should make friends with Chad... you and him can discuss how hard to play your characters are ❤️

[jovial anvil]

Dark beam damage with additional and true DMG out damages magic missile which is insane. You can mov e while channeling it as well

[small furnace]

I have zero interest in talking with someone who has the opinion of: "You can't have an opinion if you main a character." So just cease.

[jovial anvil]

Warlock has always needed to be hella hella geared to be effective. Just now it takes more gear for less payout

[small furnace]

I think the most recent update made them better to play as base kit, starting with an actual melee weapon has improved QoL a lot.

[torn tulip]

yeah i feel the memory capacity stuff is weird though, mages start with like 22 and can do w/e they want... with no gear. and warlocks and bard have to choose. base warlock can have like 1 spell if u try to go hydrain with 0 extra knowledge.

[granite plinth]

More variety in the audio of bard songs, perhaps a custom songs mode. Anyway there could be more incentive to play “great music”? Normal

[jovial anvil]

Warlocks don't have spell slots so that one's not really comparable. Sadly bard is in an awful state of being unable to play anything but highroller

Knowledge should be their weak point tbh. Warlocks should have to make that choice. The problem is that it's just not worth atm

[torn tulip]

why is it not comparable? they have spell memory??? just like cleric bard and wizard no?

[jovial anvil]

Warlocks can cast as many times as they want. You have spell memory not spell charges. Your limit is your healthpool not an innate number that can't scale

Wizards only have 4 fireballs before they are SoL in a fight.

Warlock can spam cop all he wants if he has healing

[small furnace]

I think something that will need to be changed is the Warlock's ability to heal off their own hydra. Currently warlock can just heal whenever he wants even without any mobs or players and that just kinda feels against the spirit of the class

Maybe they could make it so summons give 50% magical healing or something

[woven jackal]

mannequin items that open up and hold an entire kit. You can click a button to swap your kit with the one on the mannequin. Rare drop, worth billions, I'll never see one if you add it

[torn tulip]

but caster lock shouldnt really be comparible to wizard no? both need gear. except wizards get 10 spell slots. and a lot of utility, stealth, haste, slow, spells that slow, can break doors etc. the spells themselves also hit for a lot, so wizards time to kill is pretty good.
warlocks can cast lots of the same spells without a limit yes... but it costs health, your options are hydrain, which isnt possible as base kit and scales of magic dmg, if not youre healing for 4 health per hydrain. and with gear the heal is decent and you can stay alive in the zone etc but the time to kill on dots and spells is pretty bad. the range sucks at 7.5m and you can easily cast a spell on yourself which can kill you etc.

[tulip hill]

This is really funny to me because of how much this game takes inspiration from Dungeons and Dragons
but the modern warlock in Dungeons and Dragons is by far the caster with the least amount of "spell charges"

[jovial anvil]

The difference is tempo. No point in the game will a warlock ever have to sit down.

They won't run out of spells in an extended fight either. And hr fights can be poke fest which leaves wizards defenseless. Also invis is kinda trash

[small furnace]

Yeah but they also recharge after a short rest, making them the caster that can use their spells most frequently, just as they can in DaD

[tulip hill]

very true
lot of campaigns don't have enough short rest for the classes that need them though which is sad
as far as equating it, Warlock in DaD still seems much more competent as a spell slinger than their Dungeons and Dragon's counterpart
a short rest would be like taking a seat while a long rest would be using a campfire, seeing as there are some abilities that require a campfire to recharge like barbarian's Blood Exchange

[rose vine]

Warlocks gameplay style is by far the biggest outlier of any class in the game, it's too strange with maghealing in my opinion, healing to full off of a hydra spawn is buggy af

[tulip hill]

"maghealing"? I've not heard that phrase before
magic healing! I got it

yeah, there are definitely still some balance concerns around warlock's sustain
at this point I ponder if Torture Mastery would do better as a stand alone spell rather than a perk that modifies your curses
that would at least give the devs better control over the balance of that avenue of sustain

perhaps as a spell that leaches life each time you damage the target at all but with no DoT itself
that way you either need to land two spells to get the effect or have the option to go in and just hit them for healing

[rose vine]

That makes sense actually. Almost makes me think that maybe then warlock can have a spell that allows him to use his other spells with hp instead of charges, maybe give warlock like low amount of quick restoring charge spells, but a spell that would allow him to convert his hp into charges or something for pvp and combat could make sense

[tulip hill]

oh, I've got an idea that keeps warlock mechanically unique while addressing the sustain concerns
so what if instead of costing health to cast spells, warlock had a sort of "corruption meter" that filled up as you cast
what happens when that meter gets full could go a few different directions but one way it could go is to keep the ability to cast using health, but considerably increase the health cost with the corruption meter being a buffer you use before you start hurting yourself

Torture mastery can stay as a healing perk, or alternatively be changed so it reduces your corruption meter
but either way, it is either for health sustain or spell sustain but not both

additionally, new perks can use the corruption meter for their effects in some way
perhaps one that gives you a buff the more or less corrupt you are for example "+X spell capacity while bellow 50% corruption" allowing for builds that can bring more powerful spells but has to use those spells at the start of the fight before they become too corrupt

[next solar]

can we also possibly change it so that when a character is in the border of storm, (the white line) the storm doesnt outline the character? im not the best at pvp so sometimes i follow storm and it always gives me away to players because it outlines me. Would this be something that can be changed?

[sacred pilot]

ADD MORE DUO VC's

[tulip hill]

Is it possible? definitely
would it be easy? should be, pretty sure its just a shader effect
should they do it? I for one agree with this idea

[primal skiff]

Ban teaming players in High Roller. fucking tired of it. 2v4 is not fair. Not fun,

[patent mauve]

Let explosion bottles break doors on contact

[crude tree]

YOU GOTTA ADD, buy instantly 12 potions and bandages or arrows . make a kursor that you can adjust to buy amounts. so damn much clicking in this game

[odd coyote]

shields working with dual wield was fixed like three times already, i suggest it actually gets fixed

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/513122/revert-the-francisca-axe-crush-change The removal of silliness from the game is a detriment to it. We should not be having the game go down a path of complete homogeny and boredom where you must play the same way no matter what.

[fiery sapphire]

delete wizard from the game

[glass ibex]

more spells for cleric!

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/513126/end-of-wipe-event-universal-gear-and-double-jump

[urban apex]

still no ability to turn in quest items one at a time? come on man

[austere nacelle]

this!

[uneven flint]

Unpopular opinion, I would love to have the trade between players removed. Or at least give an option like if you dont activate the trader you only play against players without trader... Put your rondels down please ^^

[sharp cape]

When are you devs going to NERF MAGIC MISSILE

[north edge]

let wizards have 1 thing

[sharp cape]

that is an insane thing to say about the best class in the game

[granite plinth]

fighters should have zweihander as a starting weapon coz they hard

[north edge]

I havent had any problem killing wizards. died once or twice to magic missile but thats because i played poorly

[glacial sphinx]

someones gotta be the best, better its the glass cannon that takes the most skill and dies in two hits to anyone

[sharp cape]

then you arent in very good lobbies because wizards are unapproachable right now

[sharp cape]

i dont mind wizard being the best, but magic missile is just broken. there is no way to beat wizard as certain characters without lucky ranged attacks

[north edge]

i do agree that the sudden jump to 100% is quite much. should be 75%

[glacial sphinx]

I think 75% would also be okay, but I do also think other spells in PVE are too weak which makes Wizards overly reliant on MM. An elite skeleton takes 3 out of 4 fireballs to kill.

Think a good idea might be to drop monster magic resistance and then have MM be 75% so its less of a shotgun in PVP. Or add another multihitting spell to make wiz pve not entirely about crystal sword and MM.

[small furnace]

Ironman queue is a worthwhile test, removing trade not so much. (Ironman queue means allowing people to opt out of trade and only play with other people who opt out)

[uneven flint]

Im sorry I didnt get it. Its almost the same wat i said no?

[small furnace]

Yes, but an important distinction to make.

Removing trade would definitely be very detrimental to the game's health, given how wishy washy the playerbase is after being fatigued with so many changes going in different directions, it's best not to do something that could cost the game so many players.

Ironman queue would give people the option to play that way if they want, but also not alienate the existing players who like the game the way it is.

[uneven flint]

I would love this tbh

[small furnace]

I think it's worth testing to see if there's a high enough amount of people that are interested in playing that way. After all the game is in early access, this is the time for these kinds of tests.

[uneven flint]

Exacly now would be the perfect time

[dusky ingot]

rogue pulling up with a longsword and full plate armor:

[jovial swan]

They would be slow and still very weak relative to the cast. Plus they're losing 25% of the normal AR and damage of the gear AND weapons.

[dusky ingot]

rupture
weakpoint
ambush

[pine comet]

Rogues after parrying your ass invisible without you knowing he was their and then double jumping away, simply a skill issue

[dusky ingot]

fr just invis then when they try to hit you to deinvis riposte

[pine comet]

Imagine fighting a skeleton, then hearing a parry sound and a rogue appears and one shots you with weakpoint longsword

[vivid summit]

Honestly there should be a parry dagger

[desert garden]

imagine no rubber banding

[unique seal]

Please put Giant Spiders on Crypts so I can play something other than Goblin Caves, its been a week or so of trying to get this damnable silk

[pseudo prism]

add white handxbows to the huntsman

[crimson sphinx]

Could we please not go negative with AP in a High-Roller attempt? I think it's harsh enough that you do not get anything if you die. I understand not getting AP for the loot, but not even for the monsters killed? But it's absolutely insane that you pay the antee fee and that's a negative AP.
I'm not good at this game, but I'm trying to have fun but it's really discouraging that I cannot make progress because if I die (and man I die a lot to other players, a rogue kills a wizard with 3 hits, especially funny if they use the CutThroat skill, ranges are faster, shoot faster, heavy hitters kill you with 2 hit). Going backward in AP only supports "professional gamers", who can play games 8 hours a day and can get rather good at it. Casual players (even with a few hours a day) who have a life otherwise (work, family, etc) cannot put in so much time in the game. Why make them leave with a sour taste in the mouth?
Leave antee fee for a fee only, not a negatice AP, pelase.

[torn goblet]

final circle in goblic caves should have an up or down arrow for which floor the portal will spawn on so you can fight for it instead of one guy being on top and the other below because it becomes a 50/50

[eternal raptor]

SPIDER SILK SHOULD DROP FROM SPIDER POTS THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH BIG SPIDERS IN GOBO FOR A 2% DROP RATE

[jagged flame]

maybe im misunderstanding, but wouldnt this just mean that its impossoble NOT to eventually hit whatever rank you want if you play enough?

[devout hawk]

Give warlock a skill that allows him to cast spells for free for like 12 seconds

[north edge]

maybe a suggestion, just a perhaps: barbarians speed cap should not be the same as other classes? because i just saw a barb with full purples going 325 km/h and doing over 150 damage with felling axe plus with achiles strike

[sterile holly]

Of all thing IM has added/ removed, I am more than certain youd get positive feedback on removal of circle or at least more damn time, barely have time to scratch my ass and it sucks to spawn outside of the circle cause you just play 'catch up' the entire match

[hidden lava]

release druid already

[timid palm]

fix mob aggro why is the archer goblin going for me when the hydra is right in front of it shooting it in the face

[ruby kestrel]

room with 3 lions heads chests and 15 spider pots it would be so much fun trust

[graceful beacon]

spifer mommy

[green vapor]

Make the lich kills like at 5, not 15 for armourersmith, because the ghost king kill is only 1, and its arguaebly as easy as lich, just a little harder.

[obtuse stone]

I think rogue players that complain about being 2 shot should be drawn and quartered

[green vapor]

any good rogue player doesnt get 2 tapped cause they can use their head

[dusky ingot]

how can a cleric catch up to bard exactly? i only had gloves on with lightfoot boots and he was on my ass

[obtuse stone]

you don't because you are submissive support kitten and you will like it

[rugged basin]

There’s like a module that houses like 6 of them

[unique seal]

2% Chance, the 5 or so spiders arent guaranteed only 3 of them are assuming you are in normal tier lobbies with a chance for up to 5 maximum

[languid swift]

I wish they would do something about bows and crossbows. It's easily 95% of all combat I encounter.

[eternal raptor]

aside from that why would spider pots NOT have spider silk in them?

[unique seal]

I would love it if the pots had a chance to have it man, even if it was 1% and goes up per pot tier

[rugged basin]

I get i get, they should drop

[obtuse stone]

so are we going to do something about wizards invis and charging into melee to magic missile or no

surely this is the vision you had in mind for a magic caster

[jovial swan]

Surely also Warlocks being able to abuse Hydra for heals and Staff's Magic Damage attribute for BoC is part of the vision.

[fathom bolt]

i mean it literally is lol

warlock's healing was nerfed to be balanced around healing with hydra, and all sources of magic damage scale with the magical damage on the staff, thats just how all damage works

[pale oasis]

can rogue get an invis nerf cause this is junk

[opaque schooner]

Hand crossbow in the vendor pleaseeeeeeee, or just delete this item since its much harder to get higher rarity itens in vendors and grey hand crossbow seen to never show in the shop.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/498036/hand-crossbow-vendoring

[floral totem]

Dont try to defend warlocks dude that class Just Need a huge nerf, nothing more nothing less

[obtuse stone]

I mean you have to invest 2k gold into a warlock kit to make it work and the optimal way to play is still to sit in storm all game because a wholesome naked rogue with blue rapier will still turbo blast you from invis

[ruby kestrel]

grey warlock with dark beam, life drain and soul collector is now unbelievably strong. walock only needs expensive kits when you arr using torture mastery.

[green vapor]

Add a na-central server so east and west can play together

[ruby kestrel]

iron hammer add a middle of pacific ocean server so I play with my friend on a boat stranded in the middle of nowhere

[cursive patrol]

i honestly love this game but man the amount of teaming that goes on in goblin caves is absolutely rediculous and sad. The low skill players cried and cried to get a solos lobby. they have it and now they just use it to friendly crouch the first guy they run into and team on people.

i understand that this is not '

against the rules according to ironmace but like...why not?

[tawny ivy]

Learn how to fight, run, or be friendly

[floral totem]

I honestly dont understand how come people still play the game. you get into a dungeon and theres a geared lock? you die. geared naked ranger? u die. naked mage? u die. bad geared barb? you die. i know that this sounds like skill issue and bla bla bla. I Assure you not. I shot the lock twice, he summoned hydra and puf good as new. shot the ranger, he teamed with another ranger. Only skill issue is on the barb because i hit a wall instead of his face. I really don't understand the guy that had the idea about the warlock, like, you do realize that one has to play only meta and meta only to counter this s***? What is a normal guy suppose to do? dont Fking play the game? Thats a good answer. GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK SO I CAN BUY A PROPER GAME IRONMANCE, YOU TOOK THE MONEY AND LEFT ME IN A BAG OF S***. I WANT MY MONEY BACK

[cursive patrol]

so were supposed to be friendly in a solos lobby against duos and trios? you have no problem with spawning into whats suppposed to be a solo experience and having to be friendly to other players in a pvp game?

[cursive patrol]

i have a healthy positive kd in across all game modes so learn to fight is kind of a null point

[tawny ivy]

Just trying to give helpful advice to the poor guy complaining in the discord

[floral totem]

'learn to fight' is the answer that meta comps abuser use against all that does not use meta

[cursive patrol]

meta in goblin caves is just friendly crouch two or three guys and then stomp around a kill solos

[floral totem]

what about locks, rogues, barbs, mages?
just classes?

[cursive patrol]

doesnt matter what class you are when you friendly crouch the first 2 guys you see and just 3v1 people rotating. I have a positive kd so its not like im getting rolled constantly but its annoying having to deal with that shit in what is supposed to be a solo experience.

[floral totem]

Im in a positive kda too, got geared got all you can ask and i agree that the state of the game is just lame. look at inflations, 600g for green items. we just have to wait for a youtuber or a streamer to do a video about it i guess

[cursive patrol]

i actually disagree with you on basically everything youve said. My only real issue at this point is the constant teaming in goblin caves. 600g for green items? what are you talking about

[floral totem]

you probably deserve to be teamed on, you sound like a meta abuser

[cursive patrol]

good answer to my question. I casually disagree with you and you get hostile. you seem like a real constructive person to have in the suggestions discussion.

[floral totem]

oh no, it was the tone of your affirmation that made me realise that i'm not talking to a friend or anyone capable of seeing the problems that this game actually are. youre just a geared kid crying cause u get teamed by noobs. enjoy dieing

[cursive patrol]

lmao your dodging the question bud. explain what your complaining about with the '600g for green items' comment I'm generally curious as to what your talking about.

[floral totem]

oh if you go in trade chat, and look at any items, you'll see that prices are fked up at the moment. spellbooks are not selling for less than 300g(green) and with stats like +1 magic healing/power the price goes up to 600. one guy was selling a blue spellbook with s*** stats for 800g. you're able to see that too or you're the one selling stuff for 800g?

[cursive patrol]

your fucking dilusional man. I had the trade chat going the entire time I was waiting for your response. and theres literally blue +3 healing +4 health for 200g. A green +3 healing 100g A purple with +6%magic pen +4 health +3 healing for 400

blue +4 magic power +2 magic healing 100g

[floral totem]

different layer/timing probably. delusional about what? are u trying to say that things are not fked up?

[cursive patrol]

im trying to say a green spellbook is not 600 gold like you previously stated is all.

[floral totem]

you probably have to sit a little longer then mate

[cursive patrol]

sit longer to what? see someone post one for 600 when i could buy 100 better ones for 200 in that amount of time?

[floral totem]

ait, youre right brother you are riiightù

[hoary notch]

Make spider silk drop in normals🕷️

[grizzled summit]

can we get a third setting for background audio
in-game only
I want to be able to hear people coming when I tab out while resting
but I dont want to have the music/chatter/people throwing plates and cups around/etc on in the main menu when I tab

[faint wind]

1] Make Highroller cost again, gear isnt rewarding to get anymore before you would be so pumped to get rare or higher but now its ehh.
2] Add more icons for ranks, for example Neophyte III should look different then Neo II or I
3] Add rank point loss for early death or something. ranking is kind of pointless since all you gotta do is play alot to rank up

[granite plinth]

make 3rd tier of raid, commons and below, rares and below, and then HighRoller with 50gp entry

[unborn saffron]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/1I6704vXFCPWNu/d1337uOBdFkv?invite=cr-MSxobncsMTk3MDk4ODQyLA neft the fuck out of wiz

[deft sundial]

Playing the archer I noticed that when you hit breakable door planks it will usually take 3 hits with the bow or short sword (both grey). But for some reason the dmg resets if you shoot it twice and then hit it with the short sword it doesn't break. Not sure if this is common.

[obtuse stone]

arrows have higher impact power than short sword

[mossy burrow]

NERF BoC, there should never be a chance for it to 1 shot me as a geared rogue when I can't do the same to him from stealth/ambush. Games a joke atm.
I'm tired of getting 1 tapped by shit ass warlocks using phantomize and BoC as a rogue. Y'all made rogues into the worst class in the game, there is no outcome where I can possibly 1 tap him before he 1 taps me as you guys literally butchered rogue into the friggin ground.
Even if I hide/ambush poison weapon, backstab and headshot someone it won't 1 shot even using a demons glee.

There is no reason BoC should be doing that much damage.
I quit until I see some changes.
NOT TO MENTION, I can't even hit the friggin guy because he is phantomized... while having his BoC active. He doesn't even need to apply it after coming from phantomize LOL
Also, rogue was the most sought after class when the game was popping, Jay brought in so many players with his advertising and the game was at its peak pop then, why shit on the rogues so bad? I feel as if the population was majority rogue players and now the game has less than 15k players concurrently.

Most likely the fall off in population resulted from rogues being completely gutted.
Why grind ruins at all? So I can get gear go crypts and get 1 tapped by BoC? Yeah I think I've had enough of that.
Ya feel my pain!?
Because I sure as hell do.

[severe merlin]

agreed to a point, game should never be about a race to one-tap

but also BoC shouldn't last longer than phantomize duration

unless I missed a patch

[magic python]

Get a brain and stop holding W agains't a BoC warlock

[severe merlin]

but yeah, as a rogue you're 100% faster and can just wait out the BoC to wear off. A meleelock running both BoC/Phant can't do anything if you play out of range in the meantime. Just toss some throwing daggers

[supple fog]

I had a dream that i found a down at the ruins that brought me into a secret floor. was thinking that it would be cool if there were rotating downs into different floors lol

[severe merlin]

when did they decrease phantomize duration? BoC actually does last longer by about .5 seconds now. probably not enough time to swing most weapons, but still

[mossy burrow]

too bad you can't even tell if he has BoC popped if he's inside phantomize, idiot.

Sorry, but the game is still far from balanced and its frustrating as ol hell.

[severe merlin]

looking at it, you'd have time for one BoC attack if it's applied immediately before phantomize and then attacking immediately after exit. not sure when that changed, but you should still be fast enough to avoid that first attack

[mossy burrow]

They made rogues shit so people wouldn't be moaning and groaning about "landmines" but BoC/phantomize is just as bad in certain situations.

and it completely wrecks most classes

[severe merlin]

agree that oneshots are bad, but you can still see a meleelock coming. at a certain point in time rogues were oneshots with even less counterplay

[mossy burrow]

What if im tryng to save my rangers life

because he was being a dumb ass, so I jump in to intervene and guess what? 1 tapped.

[severe merlin]

why is your ranger not immediately starting to kite the second a phantomizing warlock is engaging?

[solemn spade]

Green rank should be UNABLE to encounter orange and yellow ranks in lobbies... It is so ridiculous to fight gold armor streamers in more than half my games.

[severe merlin]

tbh it sounds like your ranger may have been a bigger issue lol. but yes, I understand your frustration. the game is far from balanced. dark reflect especially needs a nerf

[mossy burrow]

because hes a dumb ass but its still enough to piss you off when you try and get between them to save his life as you're suppose the be one of the most leathal melee classes in the game but instead rogue got nerfed into the ground because of everyone crying like im doing right now.

tell me the game wasn't the most populated when JayGriffyuh was posting all the rogue vids, basically the reason why everyone bought the game in the first place imo

Then to have the nerve to shit on the majority of peoples classes to make another "landmine" class is absurd.