suggestion-discussion

[versed path]

Tbf, pretty easy for them to swap hands in the event that you get 1 or 2 tapped, but obviously the person with the named weapon can probably just as easily 1 or 2 tap you. With so much dmg it does feel like it comes down to a dice roll at times.

[feral hedge]

im not actually directly opposed to the idea of this, i think it would be okay if done correctly because you are right that ungeared fights are alot more fun than rolling people but i think a full bracket system starting at grey would be better.

[fresh falcon]

Someone has info on the practice location tavern ? i mean does dev took it as consideration for future ? Could help new player before jumping into purple/unique lobby as gray player...

[signal cargo]

that doesnt make sense. its easier to kill noobs by starting with grey gear and take blues of people (who arent all noobs could be anyone) than it is to go in geared and do it?

[feral hedge]

queue:
-grey only
-whites/greens
-blues
-purple and up

[rich karma]

A lot of the times it’s whoever has shrines wins, but good clerics / wizards completely change fights

[signal cargo]

they did blues already, what did you think of it? i think it was stupid

[woeful mountain]

please consider upvoting https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488020/add-a-1v1-arena

[feral hedge]

yeah that was too rudimentary, with expanded brackets not tied to HR i think it would look alot better though

[versed path]

I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying the point you made is kind of moot because a lot of times people kind of just die. I watched Repoze stab the crap out of 3 people on his rogue the other day, and kill each one in 1 to 3 hits before they even knew what was happening. I'm assuming these modifier changes probably lowered the cap of dmg rolls by removing them from some gear, and it'll probably make this less of an issue.

[modest rampart]

well it does give noobs a better chance but the skill range in this game is really harsh, like one mistake can get you killed. I just feel it doesn't really lower the chance of new players getting stomped by better players

[signal cargo]

i like it but sheesh that's a lot of dev work and werent YOU the one that said the only reason it was a bad idea is cuz it would split the player base? this is splitting it 4 ways lol

Upvote the Grey Gear Only Lobbies Idea: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504528/grey-gear-only-lobby#comment566191

[scarlet creek]

I had blue/green gear and went on a 20 survives in a row during the blue highest in normals. I never ran into anyone who had insane gear except one time and the fighter didn't know what he was doing and just kept running through an earthquake. Pretty sure he bought his gear with real money cause none of them had good stats and were all blue and he didn't know what Earthquake did. Poor guy fell and then died to spikes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDafFHWW0fw

[modest rampart]

i mean ill vote for it since ill choose normal lobbies either way

[versed path]

Idt I'm really interested in grey only lobbies tbh

[fresh falcon]

Grey lobby is a good idea for new players... even if vet come inside in grey... no need more queues: grey, normal, HR

[feral hedge]

nope idc about splitting playerbase for modes that would increase overall playerbase, im the one who said they should add ironman mode lol....

[versed path]

Now this poison suggestion, that I can get behind. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483681/poison-weapon-rework

[scarlet creek]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504061/end-of-wipe-events

[versed path]

I like this only if the leaderboard locks out before the end of wipe events.

[scarlet creek]

True

[feral hedge]

honestly leaderboards is cringe they should give up on it. theres like 12 people who actually participate and you get nothing out of it besides clout lol... just more encouragemnt for the metagamer andys.

[versed path]

As long as there are leaderboards though, the people that actually grind them should be taken into consideration.

[fresh falcon]

i like the idea, but i dislike the spell memory thing around it... better to buy poison pots on merchant and use the right poison in 1 hit way then you have to re apply it on weapon with animation... or it will be op... especially the slow one if you put 20hit on weapon...

[feral hedge]

very true, i just dont see LB as a net positive for the game

[versed path]

I mean, I don't think you'd be using the spell memory form of it, and it just stays on the weapon permanently. I would assume it would apply, and last 5 seconds or until you hit a target for instance.

A buyable item would be cool too though, anything really that diversifies the poisons from just DoT.

[modest rampart]

wouldnt that just be rupture then

[signal cargo]

Upvote the Grey Gear Only Lobbies Idea: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504528/grey-gear-only-lobby#comment566191

[fresh falcon]

Why not just some poison bottle you buy ? After fight you re apply it on your weapon ( both weapons set ), it will involve swapping weapons during combat, like Dark Age Of Camelot did in the old time, i would prefer that system to be honest 😄 But you idea is great i like it

[signal cargo]

LB did help with teaming for a few days tho lol

[versed path]

I didn't write that one, I just happened to see one that was similar to my idea, and commented on it.

[modest rampart]

yeah this makes for sense, a rogue using spells and magic doesnt seem very realistic lol

[versed path]

The spell memory thing is more about how the interface would look, not that it's actually a spell. 😂

[north pewter]

honestly just make rogue poison baseline

[signal cargo]

if i kill a centapead and get a poison bottle ill lose my mind

[fresh falcon]

Gotcha ^^ Still a good idea haha 😄

[fresh falcon]

I think the idea is just to put bottle in merchant, not droppable on mobs xd Centiped poison is too much op xd

[signal cargo]

lol im just jokin

[versed path]

I think it would be a good way to move away from the shiv you to death in the dark that people seem to hate about rogue, and introduce more utility into their kit. I think this would obviously replace some of their skills/perks like rupture for instance, and fold it into either buyable items or a swappable skill.

[fresh falcon]

Yeah and open the way to change the perma dot perk aswell for maybe a more utility one

[deft epoch]

There needs to be another dungeon with maybe a slight gear cap, where the lootpools are lowered and the difficulty of the overall dungeon is low.

And there needs to be more POI's (Points Of Interests). if more POI's gets added to the dungeons, then players with no gear can just stay away from those POI's.
And all the BIS players can go to those POI's so that there is segregation between the Timmy's and the Chad's

And boost the loot in HR. That's my idea

[signal cargo]

thats a good point

[feral hedge]

gotta throw it out there one more time before i dip,
Cleric balance suggestion:
add a cooldown effect on the target after being healed by cleric,
60s cooldown for holy light
30s cooldown for lesser heal
EG. your cleric hits you with holy light, after the heal you become immune to holy lights healing effect for 60s.
healing effect could be slightly improved for both spells to compensate, but it would stop barb/fighter speedballs who take more damage than a family of elephants mid fight.

[modest rampart]

they should definitely boost hr loot, i played an hr crypt earlier and it was legit just my duo and i

[fresh falcon]

@versed path I think stick to poison bottle will be the best way, due to how abilities works in game, if we put poison in a "choice list" like spells, it will lead of a loss of 1 ability ( the one you have to open to change poison ), bottle will be fine imo, with an application delay/animation after fight to avoid abuse of spam snare/armor debuff

[versed path]

I'm down for whatever makes them more interesting honestly.

[urban solar]

ADD A COOLDOWN PERIOD TO HOLY STRIKE

[pure juniper]

[feral hedge]

hey keep the general chattery out of suggestions before they put us on 10min slowmode too xD

[pine comet]

I can just cleanse the debuff they recieve from being healed

[weak vale]

Hey dark and darker developers,

I think u should add master chief into the game and here's my reasons:

1. He has cortanya as a summon and she has big honkers which u can look at.

2. He has gravity hammers that u can hit the ghost king with and kill him in 1 hit!!!

3. U can also get grenades and blow up archer skeletons from really far away.

4. U get a rechargable shield.

5. U also get to fight aliens such as the covenant and the arbiter

Pls add and make the game better thanks. Also remove skeletons bc they are weird and dont fit the theme of the game. Thanks,

[worn lava]

cant you add 1 bandage for every class apart of they starter kits

[grizzled karma]

Idea: add a "home base" where you can physically store items and gold in coffers. and travel on the map to physical locations, such as auction hall, recruit area, guild, etc

[fresh falcon]

i explained it on the thread you posted about poison ^^ will check if someone else has idea ^^ on those words have a good night o7

[hushed adder]

Does anyone think a secure pack system where you can have like one 2x2 slot in your inventory that you keep if you die would be a good system (most likely no i just want to see where people stand on this)

[deft epoch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504538/add-pois-to-all-the-dungeons

[abstract anchor]

matchmaking queue ?

[slender marten]

Auction House next please

[near turtle]

ormal game max green items can equip and free highroller with rank

[small furnace]

First impressions of patch is looting feels god awful now.

[mellow axle]

Give it a little while. I think in a bit you’ll be so used to lower rarity gear that finding a blue is gonna be like finding a BiS purple lol

[feral hedge]

FOV slider when?

[karmic spade]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504552/make-bonuses-be-always-useful

[mellow axle]

I know it just came out and I don’t want to complain yet, but does anyone else think that bird form on Druid is too strong now? It’s just a better evil eye spell and it’s pretty much free

[autumn phoenix]

add a social feed so we can see when folks we've added have escaped/etc. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504556/implement-a-social-feed-in-the-lobby

[foggy sparrow]

Add a setting or remove the automatic utility swap if it moves to utility slot, i am just holding my torch and it swaps to whatever utility i loot
( also would be nice to add setting for utilities to be placed in inventory instead of utility slots when picked up)

[wet mortar]

there is an option dawg

[foggy sparrow]

they serve a different purpose

[dire ridge]

HELO, I HAVE A SUGGESTION! please add a meowing emoji where ur character meows or makes a meowing sound pls and ty

[echo wharf]

fighter has to many tools in the class

[urban apex]

literally everyone was happy with how loot was last wipe why tf did they nuke it so hard

[echo wharf]

also ranger "nerf" was pathetic they still do stupid amounts of damage and can just kite you

[abstract swallow]

loot is still too bloated and if you're losing to rangers at this point it's pure skill issue

[naive walrus]

HOLY FUCK FIX THE PHANTOMIZE ON SPIKE TRAPS. IVE REPORTED IT TWICE

[echo wharf]

oh yeah cause constantly getting slowed, while they kite you across the map is a skill issue. longbows still do good dmg

[sinful flare]

L patch dmg still broken can you fix base dmg @dawn grotto ???

[small furnace]

bruhhh if they make loot any worse than it is it'll be impossibly boring to play

[abstract swallow]

god forbid you not pull full sets of greens and blues within a minute of spawning

[sinful flare]

@keen onyx im still getting 2 shot by rogue or warlock how is this a good patch?

[small furnace]

They changed the rolls too tho, who cares if I have a full set of blues or greens if it's like +5% regular interaction speed, woo.

Maybe it needed some more toning down, but idk why they revert every single change they make completely within 1 month of doing it. Devs can't stick to anything.

Anyway I'll just head over to the free atm machine that is ruins gold farming. Cause we defo didn't decide to nerf that.

[sinful flare]

REMOVE WARLOCK CRYSTAL SWORD BUILD U SAID U WANTED SLOWER FIGHTS

[wooden brook]

add lockpicks to a vendor

[jolly ledge]

for 35 gold or more

[agile gulch]

Do I use report wicked for mass teaming?

[sinful flare]

@dawn grotto remove all dmg by 50% and bring back the gear this is the worst update ive ever seen

[queen tendon]

Dingus ^

Dude has been none stop complaining since the patch dropped

[proven valley]

rightfully so, dead game. no good loot = no dopamine. Enchantment table is TRASH

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1agVOfhEXXV-W8bxcdK8eV7thkKsirPcf4ddZEczAL8s/edit?usp=sharing<

[naive walrus]

Pretty shit update. Two steps backwards since we are back to buff ball meta which was horrid. Good job buffing fighters which were already toxic.

[pine comet]

Grrr, can't get full blues in one game, grrrr

[fast hill]

Why did you even bother putting up the scarecrow if you were just going to tear it down, smh my head.

[final aurora]

I'm just curious what devs or people in charge, think it's good to tease your player base with ACTUAL loot that means something, to giving us what you have now...What is the actual point of this and why/how do you think this is going to be successful?! I can't imagine many people are going to play the game when they have to do 4-5 raids to get 1-2 pieces of gear, die randomly to AI/PvP and then have to do that again?! You just had the game at a GREAT state for casual players who want to hop on, grind a few raids, get enough gold for gear and GO OUT AND PLAY! Why the reversion?! Seriously so confused, never seen a game I've enjoyed SO much, be put in a state where I don't even want to login...Shameful decisions from what you've given us recently. The damage meta definitely needed to go, but taking away the loot aspect of the game and giving us 100-150G MAX on a raid when doing REALLY well is insane...GL with this patch if you don't revert some of these decisions.

[smoky iris]

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[vernal hedge]

The amount of gold coming into the game was too big.
If you bothered to read the patch notes the devs explained

[small furnace]

I get that was the case, but this update just feels awful to play rn. Like I dunno maybe I'm the exception but none of me and my friends are having fun and are probs just gonna go play other stuff while we wait to see what other patches might bring.

Like it sure does feel great to clear a royal coffin room only to get a white heater shield and kris dagger. /s

[final aurora]

It was, you're right. But they went to the extreme on the opposite end of where we were...There's something called a middle ground that can be reached instead of going SO extreme like they CONTINUE to do! Remember +3 all stats? Reverted to +1, reverted back to +3. These guys don't know what they're doing, and just using us as guinea pigs. What they did with loot is a gigantic slap in the face to where it was previous. If people enjoy that, ok, I don't and won't be playing the game just like MANY others. SO GL IronMace.

[final aurora]

Exactly. So yet another player with seemingly brains in his skull enough to realize what they've done, is BAD. The game was FUN, looting was FUN. They just ruined that. If you're having fun looting the BEST chests in the game, and getting WHITE items...You're either lying to yourself, or just stupid, I'm sorry...

[small furnace]

I kind of enjoyed the looting before, yeah. It was clearly too much but to completely kill it in the way they did just seems like way overkill.

I liked seeing so many people with blues and being able to have good fights constantly with the chance to come out with great loot.

Now I feel like one of those people that are always begging for gbmm, cause I can't find any items that are good, and when I do find a caped team I just get run over immediately with no counterplay.

[pine comet]

Update just feels like the game when it first started being sold for money

[small furnace]

I agree with that, and I don't think that version of the game was perfect... in-fact I think it was quite flawed. When they made the loot updates it felt like steps in the right direction, sure it needed to be toned down a bit but instead of doing that they just completely reverted? Well, maybe that's the way they want the game to be... but I feel like I'm just not gonna have a good time when I have to grind even to get one good green and I just run into people fully decked out in purples and blues and die instantly now.

Unfortunately I don't have the time to grind as much as they do, gotta work a job n whatnot. When I got done w/ my work people were already walkin around with capes, granted... not many of them but yeah didn't really feel like there's anything I can do when after 2 hours of looting I only found a couple of decent greens, no blues with good stats.

[pine comet]

I feel like the current loot state is good but they should buff the drops from the fancy chests and mini bosses because damn, when you open a solid gold chest or solid full metal chest larger then you, you would feel like it should at least have a green but it just has a white

[small furnace]

Minibosses don't even feel worth fighting anymore outside of the Skele champion due to the gold key lottery. They droppin whites and sometimes greens.

Royal coffin is an absolute joke, whitefest...

Idk man. I don't think loot is in a good place. Ultimately balance is important but so is fun, and I feel a lot of the fun in the game is gone for me and a lot of other players. Might just take a break and go play some other games, hope they make some good patches in the mean time.

Not to mention in this same patch they also made several unlisted changes that are anti-fun so to speak.

The AI is faster overall for several mobs and tons of anti-cheese was introduced. They also reduced the selling price for several of the sellables. Like... why didn't you just list those changes? Is it really cool to be changing this stuff and not telling anyone? Were you afraid the playerbase would be more upset than they are? Idk man. I just wanna have fun again, last patch was a blast and I miss it.

[pine comet]

What kind of anti cheese?

[small furnace]

I'm just assuming there's more than one... but for instance we were doing bodyblock cheese on some dogs and it just rotates aggro on nearby players now.

I can't be the only one that noticed skeletons are hauling ass now tho

[pine comet]

I feel like skeletons are the same speed

[vernal hedge]

@small furnace that’s exactly what we are .Guinea pigs, the game isn’t here currently for our sole enjoyment. If you hadn’t reached that conclusion you really aren’t the brightest one

[small furnace]

It was mainly elite ones I noticed they seem to be faster.

@vernal hedge I am not saying they owe anything to me, the can do whatever they want with the game.

I'm just putting my opinion out there. Just cause I respect they can do whatever they want with their game doesn't mean I gotta sit here and like it.

[next ridge]

my man really just said "the game isn't here for our sole enjoyment" my man i paid for a video game, i don't have any take on the current conversation but that's an omega shit take, reevaluate what you just said

[vernal hedge]

I know Kira, but the other guy is suprised he’s being used has a test subject, when that literally what you signed up when buying an early access game

If you disagreed you are delusional

[earnest meadow]

y’all are both arguing for the same side 😭😭

[pine comet]

I think most people know that we’re basically testers, but people did pay 35 dollars so they do get angry when they have 8 bad games in a row

[small furnace]

Honestly I don't feel like it's fair to keep dismissing every criticism with "Early Access" these days.

Like when the concept of early access first came out the purpose was to fund games that might not be able to traditionally publish due to lack of money in the bank.

Now it just feels like everybody comes along and markets themselves as early access, sitting in development for years and deflecting all criticism under the banner of: "This is early access, you knew what you were getting." Which is like, yeah... fair... but it's also kinda messed up that everybody is out here selling incomplete games that you're not allowed to complain about because half of the fanbase will defend it under that banner.

[vernal hedge]

You’d be suprised how many people expect a fully balanced, stable experience out of these test.
Has soon as the devs change something crying ensues instead of actual constructive criticism

[final aurora]

"the other guy". I understand what I signed up for, I am a Guinea pig in an early access game. But that doesn't mean I don't have free will to speak up and say it's currently been put into a shit state...

How would you like it if EVERYDAY, I gave you gifts/treats that made you happy. But one day, I just take them all away, and now you get shit in your hands everyday. This is good for you? You're happy with the change of gifts to shit?

[vernal hedge]

What a shit comparison

[pine comet]

What kind of gifts and treats are they that allow you to take them away?

[vernal hedge]

I say it’s great that they have axed what loot was because while low skill people may have enjoyed it has their mediocre runs saw a large improvement it was causing several issues which impact the large flow of the game:

1. HR incentives- for what reason would you got to hr if you are able to get the same levels of gold in the same or less time in ruins?
2. The ridiculous amount of gold coming into the game was hindering the economy is no significant gold sinks in the game and even the devs have mentioned this being one of the reason they now gave us expanded space

I could go on and on

If instead of when a change happens you try to present in a nicer way the issue the cause and a possible fix you comments would go a way longer way

[small furnace]

Definitely isn't just 'low skill' players that are affected. I know I'm not the greatest but I would consider myself very far from 'low skill'.

I think the game is less fun overall with less people running around in blue kits to fight and kill. Overall a lot more grindier too.

[vernal hedge]

Otherwise they just sound like crying “oh no the devs reduced mah loot”

[final aurora]

And I can be understanding of those things, but like I've said before, why such an extreme from what players were given before? There's nothing in life whether it be a video game or IRL scenario, where someone is given satisfaction/fun at such a level and then has it taken away...What do you think is going to happen...?

MOST people I would say, would not be okay with the change, that's just human nature...No?

[vernal hedge]

Because it for testing, what can’t you understand

[pine comet]

People who enjoy pvp think this and the people who are new to the game or don’t enjoy pvp all that much are ecstatic

[final aurora]

That's the thing you keep failing to I guess understand....I GET it's for testing, but this test to me, has failed...

[small furnace]

Shouldn't be making changes for the people that don't enjoy pvp honestly. The game exists specifically for pvp.

As for the HR problem, they gotta separate leaderboards into it's own mode really. I don't think the loot being so good was the reason HR was dead considering it was dead before they made the extra loot changes in the first place.

[vernal hedge]

Then don’t play the game and come back next patch, it’s like you are forcing yourself to play and blaming the devs

[final aurora]

How do you make a patch/change where you add a "coffin" into the map with great loot, and not but a month later, revert that, "coffin", into loot that is SO extreme opposite of what it was...This is the test? This is intelligent?

[vernal hedge]

Because that shit shits out gear that would better off come from hr for example

[small furnace]

The coffin genuinely seems like an oversight. Lionhead chests have half-decent loot but the coffin has like small oak chest tier loot.

[final aurora]

And I won't play the game and I will come back when they hopefully patch the game to where players can enjoy themselves and have fun again. You sitting here defending it like a white knight is to me, hilarious. Enjoy the shitty state of the game, I'll enjoy watching it die until they have the brains to do something about what they've done.

[vernal hedge]

You talking about the royal coffin really goes to show you are a modern player, you prefer instant gratification, a bit of work seems to concern you, oh noooo some grind to my game

[small furnace]

Me? I mean come on man, isn't the coffin supposed to be rarer than a lionhead chest? Shouldn't it have at least equal loot to the lionhead if anything?

[vernal hedge]

Not you, high

[final aurora]

I don't have to use the coffin only...What about the BEST chests in the game, they have the same shit loot? You're just a white knight who can't comprehend that the game is shit now.

Typical person I'll just block, because reading your retorts literally gives me a headache. Enjoy the game.

[small furnace]

Well said it before but I'll say it again. I think the game was more fun when everybody was running around with blues. There were a lot of teams to kill, a lot of ways to snowball and great fights to be had. Blues with rare purples and the very rare legendary. That was was ideal for me. For me they just rug-pulled me this patch and I guess I'll just watch the game for now to see if anything changes.

[final aurora]

If there's 1 thing I've learned, there's no arguing/talking to someone like him. He's convinced the game is still good and that's fine. Let him believe that and have fun in the game. I for one won't be partaking in a game they've literally removed most the fun of. edit/ perfectly said, rug pulled us good. Gave us such high dopamine hits/loot/fun and then took it all away. Laughable really.

[vernal hedge]

No high, the thing is you came to suggestion discussion essentially crying omg devs reduced loot how is this fun, why don’t you suggest like in the name of the room, on what changes could be done to address issues?
But I guess you are too stupid for that type of talk

[small furnace]

You are not really being very civil or open to discussion either. He's just matching your energy, I live in this channel, I've seen this guy around he's not always like this.

[pine comet]

Bro I don’t understand the argument happening, it seems like you all are disagreeing while simultaneously agreeing with each other

[vernal hedge]

And if that’s your take away it really shows you understood nothing.
I’m not saying everything is fine, I’m saying stuff is being tested and that constructive criticism is much prefered to crying.
Explain the issues, propose solutions, incentivize good discussion

[final aurora]

I'm not here to be, "civil". What discussion is there to be open to in this current state with how I feel? Loot sucks, he thinks it's okay. Again, GL to em.

[small furnace]

I don't think the game is in a good state right now, doesn't mean I agree with High's methods.

[final aurora]

Constructive criticism? I literally left a paragraph post with constructive criticism I have towards the game, BUT BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT, it's not constructive....Talk about crazy.

[small furnace]

I mean it sucks but it's just a game. There's like a million other games out there. You can be passionate about your opinion but you don't have to vent like it's the end of the world just cause one game is moving in a direction you don't like.

[final aurora]

There's only one current game like this that's at a playable level. I've enjoyed MANY hours of this game from playtest ONE. This loot currently reminds me of early playtest loot, and that's to me, pathetic.

How we've went from finally changing loot to be fun for playing to not only find in chests/etc, but killing players because THEY ALSO have good loot. To this....Complete reversion of fun. They'll see when the player count is shit in a week.

[small furnace]

If they separate leaderboards from HR I'd probably just move to HR entirely, but as it stands I don't really wanna be forced into HR mode if I want good loot as long as I'm gonna have to play with leaderboard hunters. I know they're down right now but that's temporary.

I have no problem with the ante, higher risk, and stronger pve. It's just those leaderboard grinders I don't wanna play with.

[vernal hedge]

If that’s constructive criticism you must be an 8th grader, sorry I’ll stop wasting my time here

[smoky iris]

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[final aurora]

"The Ruins Enjoyer". Funny name after your precious Ruins got nerfed into oblivion. We all know Ruins was funnest to run because it had better loot/coffins. Now it has nothing lmao. BUT HEY, DEFEND IT WITH THAT HILARIOUS NAME LMAO

[small furnace]

You're just being petty mate.

[vernal hedge]

Names merely a joke, bold of you to assume I run it because of the jacked up loot as I already had it had my main map before

Why?

Balance is shit in trios, I don’t find fighting meta buff balls fun and so rather play a game mode with less set meta.

But no must be the loot right guys? Not the fact that hr is not fun due to a myriad of other problems

Nice try tough @final aurora

[smoky iris]

GOD I LOVE THIS PATCH ITS JUST PERFECT. THANK YOU @dawn grotto

[final aurora]

Joke or not, if you honestly can't say that running Ruins was more fun in the previous patch, then you're literally lying to yourself.

Did loot need nerfing in terms of how much $ you were able to make per run because of chest loot? Sure. Did it need nerfing like THIS? Not in my opinion...But hey again, if you're having fun, all power to you.

[vernal hedge]

It was never about the loot for me brother.
I had many time before said tha ruins must be nerfed because it fucking up the economy and the risk reward aspect of hr

[smoky iris]

YOU GUYS MADE THIS GAME GREAT AND YOU REALLY DO IMPROVE IT OVERALL @keen onyx

[fossil cape]

why did yall take out loot restrictions? its 12 hours after wipe and norms is full of people with purp gear how is anyone suppose to gear up with a fully purp player coming at them, like no ones saving your purps for high roller when u can bring it into norms and destroy the whole lobby uncontested

[final aurora]

"Did loot need nerfing in terms of how much $ you were able to make per run because of chest loot? Sure." So basically what I said right there, and can agree with you on. So why do you fight me on my side so much? Why is it that a coffin that contained TOO much loot, now contains nothing??? How is this a "good" thing? Why are you defending this garbage?!

[smoky iris]

I JUST LOVE HOW GOOD THE GAME IS NOW. NEEDS SKILL NOW NOT RELIANCE UPON GEAR. IRONMACE IS AMAZING

[final aurora]

Why should it take a casual player who can only play a couple raids/games a day, a week to get a possible kit now? This is good to you?

[smoky iris]

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[final aurora]

"Ah shit, died after getting a couple pieces that took me 3 days!" -Some casual Andy out there

[smoky iris]

THIS PATCH IS A SMALL STEP FOR MAN BUT A GIANT LEAP FOR MANKIND

[final aurora]

Game will die because only the people who have tons of time will be able to be superior now. The way it was before, someone playing for an hour could get enough $/loot to have a good time in a couple raids while geared.

[vernal hedge]

You are taking a couple hours of your experience and putting it in everyone’s shoes tough, why not play out the change some more and the. Make feedback
It seems like you’ve never played this game before, this is how balance has happened every time, overturned-overnerfed-varying levels of balances
We went from average loot to broken op loot, to the current loot we have, but this is the perfect time to do this, it’s early wipe sceneraio which is when devs can get the best data

[smoky iris]

THIS GAME IS SO GOOD THAT I CAN HARDLY STAND IT. ITS LITERALLY THE PERFECT GAME NOW. THANK YOU IRONMACE DEVS

[final aurora]

It seems like you've never played this game before, he says....Ah, man...😂 I'd put my life on the line to say, 1. I played before you playtest wise 2. I've played COUNTLESS hours more than you total. But hey, continue to throw shit like that into the conversation and make yourself seem REALLY stupid.

I've never been one to complain or care about previous patches, because they did most of them the RIGHT way, with GOOD changes. The one patch they messed up, guess what they did? They reverted it because the community was outcrying that their gear was nerfed/changed (which it was, into oblivion and was super unfair to the playerbase). Do you remember this or have you not been playing long enough?

They'll learn again here, they messed up and will 100% revert chest loot in my opinion. Otherwise, they will lose a big chunk of their current playerbase.

[smoky iris]

GOD IM SO HAPPY THE GAME IS IN SUCH AN AMAZING STATE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU DEVS

[vernal hedge]

We are talking about current patch and you are out here trying to make your self seem better than me by playing since an earlier pt and having more hours?
How sad.

[eager creek]

Guys take the pettiness to dms

[final aurora]

"It seems like you’ve never played this game before". This is what YOU said, not me...Again, I can tell you're lacking IQ, forgive me.

[vernal hedge]

It’s a mannerisms, you don’t take it literally, do you not English

[hoary moon]

Game seems good now. Way more balanced. They can up loot a touch but all in all solid. Longbow prob didn’t need nerf with the nerf to weap dmg mods. Maybe alllow weap dmg on rings or something like that too. But good direction 👍👍 let’s get to content in Nov and see how it goes

[violet sequoia]

@final aurora you are not a LINE holder, since 02/2023???
GO play minecraft

[final aurora]

"It's a mannerisms", followed by, "do you not English"...You do my job for me.

[final aurora]

Another white knight who comes out of the woodworks because, "HE DOESNT AGREE WITH ME, SO HE MAKES AN ANGRY COMMENT ABOUT MINECRAFT!".

[violet sequoia]

Again, go complain to mincraft developers....

[final aurora]

Pretty sure this is a "suggestion discussion", all you've done is complain about my complains...Another angry woodworker.

[violet sequoia]

What is your suggention??

Mine was about you going to complain to mincraft developers

[final aurora]

That's my point about you being a woodworker, you've come out of nowhere, read one comment and typed out some stupidity because you're an angry little guy...

[violet sequoia]

The only thing you did was complain,
Now, give us your suggention on how to improve the game in your opinion

As i though, Just another potato eater....

[pale gorge]

nothing slow about buff ball. not even when youre dying

every meta abuser is happy because they cant be punished in like 90% of lobbies

i love being a ranger. When i know a team is coming i get my double shot ready. it does 30% damage to a barbarian. my best ability really. When they invis and push its hard to see them but that's okay, when they're in my face i can hit them easier. If i duck the one tap kill by the war maul i can run away. And place more traps. Sometimes they jump over them, those pesky players. I love the state of the game right now its super competitive. I get out with my ranger gear about 20% of the time. My stash is almost empty but wow it makes it so exhilerating when i finally get some loot.

[smoky iris]

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[granite plinth]

i havent got a chance to play yet, whats the verdict on the rebalance ?

[smoky iris]

ITS AMAZING. TRULY BALANCED. PEOPLE WITH ZERO SKILL WILL DENY THAT THO

[celest pagoda]

hr loot be bobo? or just bad?

[sinful flare]

Explain to me how I die in one shot to a green crystal sword? Had 20% mdr too

[blazing bough]

DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TEAMERS

[ruby pendant]

Waiting for the day the devs finally fix halberd move speed because the falchion currently out reaches and out dps lol

[undone bison]

The Alchemist should allow transmuting rubysilver into cobalt and vice versa

[small ibex]

Put more magic resist on items its bullshit how I can get 2 tapped by a cleric with a staff because it has a magic damage buff

[smoky iris]

YOU JUST NEED TO HEAL UP BEFORE YOU FIGHT

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[lucid charm]

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[real trellis]

Honestly? That would make a sort of sense lol. Alchemy and all.

[undone bison]

yea i was just thinking that lol

[eager sleet]

So we got potion and bandage stacks what about some of the small treasure items like gems and crafting items stacking no reason why a wolf pelt or grave essence shouldn't stack

[real trellis]

... Don't they? They're crafting materials, right?

[crimson sphinx]

My understanding was that the developers were nerfing the Blow of Corruption. As a ranger at full health, I still died from a single hit from a blue Falchion (of a Warlock). He had rings and amulets, etc.

[real trellis]

Treasures shouldn't stack that'd make looting go absolutely nutty

[real trellis]

They took 5 damage off it which means it's doing about 7.5 less damage on a headshot which isn't much lol. They also reduced the time that it's active so you have a better chance of keeping away till it's on CD

[crimson sphinx]

I'm just providing feedback. If they do not want one-hit kills to exist, they should look more into this. 🙂

[earnest meadow]

a stacked hybrid damage character one shorting you in the head isn’t that crazy, if he was that close you were already dead anyways

[real trellis]

Pretty much. Ranger helmets are not known for having good hs damage reduction. Nor is their gear known for having high phys or mag dr.

If a wizard, rogue, or ranger gets onetapped, I'm not terribly concerned about the state of the game. A bard or fighter getting oneshot would be unusual.

[eager sleet]

They shouldn't it's the antithesis of fun to get one shot bc theres not much you can do about it, dps metas are always cringe

[dreamy inlet]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[somber glade]

did ironmace said something about more graphic settings? because effects like fireballs, bottles smoke or goblic shaman spell can drop fps down to 30

[wet mortar]

Honestly this patch was a good step in the right direction imo... Longbow & crossbow finally got some damage nerf, warlock finally got boc nerf, still tons that needs to be done. Warlock hydra needs to not provide healing, you still see infinite warlocks surviving storm

[ripe prairie]

is there a reason why rogues can chase any class while swinging?

[granite plinth]

how about no

[final aurora]

I honestly still can't tell if this guy is trolling or not w/ his comments. What weirdos there are in this game...

[ripe prairie]

why do i need to level up every character i want to play if the levels never reset unfair to anyone who needs to level up
and its been like this for months

[tough zephyr]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504652/background-gear-rating-system

[steep sparrow]

Presenting that for the public judgement. Seems not a bad concept.
The ideas there are just examples, all I want is for devs to start considering the possibilities.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504640/create-counterplays-for-buffs

[jagged flicker]

Shield during shield bash doesn't have collision. Literally forward thrusted a skeleton and he just shot me in the face through the wood.

[jagged flicker]

A throwable gas potion that removes all buffs.

[jagged flicker]

tf levels havent reset for 2 wipes. Do you play this game or are you a nexon spy.?

[steep sparrow]

Yes, could be. Please consider upvoting and placing your option in the comments. It's just an examples. I couldn't write more or elaborate because there is only 1000 letters allowed, which is kinda dumb.

[jagged flicker]

I'll upvote but normally I only upvote concise topics instead of broad strokes.

[steep sparrow]

Oh, I didn't consider that could be the case, tried to be broad on purpose. Huge thanks for feedback, I guess trying to appeal to everyone results in appealing to no one )).

[jagged flicker]

+2 Mag Heal shouldn't roll on lanterns since theres no class that can heal with an offhand filled..

[ripe prairie]

we'll my wife and 2 kids just died in a car accident haven't had the time to level up

[timid palm]

make projectile reduction more meaningful when I'm getting shot buy a grey crossbow for half my health something isn't right

[void otter]

Should we rename Rogue to Thief? My buddy started one thinking that they would be able to use stealth and do damage. It's a little confusing for new players not going to lie

[eager sleet]

Thoughts on patch good or bad? My hopes aren't high after reading the patch notes

[small furnace]

Rename ranger to 'scout' while you're at it, cause with these new changes, same.

[eager sleet]

How much did they even need xbow and longbow damage just saying it was reduced doesn't tell me much that could just be 1 or 2 points

[small furnace]

both reduced by about 3-4 points of damage at every level. More at the highest levels.

[eager sleet]

That's not a lot tbh but I guess with weapon damage not being on armor anymore it's sizeable

[small furnace]

Nerf wasn't needed with the removal of weapon damage. Rogue and Ranger were classes whose entire identity revolved around being able to burst dps people down. They can't really do that anymore so they hurting hard.

Meanwhile barbs are feasting cause they never cared about weapon damage in the first place.

[eager sleet]

Not with that high base str no. They split hp and damage off of STR barbs will be in check possibly

[final aurora]

Green xbow still 50%s you basically

[eager sleet]

In what kind of armor we talking here?

Nvm only plate classes have meaningful prt

[small furnace]

Anyway, no. I don't like the current patch. Loot feels unsatisfying and my favorite class got gutted.

[void otter]

Gear seems fine I just found a green pair of pants with +0.1% projectile reduction on them

[small furnace]

I know you're joking but that's unironically the stuff people be saying lmao

[eager sleet]

Omg that's atleast 200g on the trade chat

I've not played it yet, went to the movies last night and crashed once I got home. I liked how loot was last patch but seeing they reduced it is a big turn off and I'm afraid I'm going back to white and gray hell

[small furnace]

At least try it. Maybe you'll find some fun where I can't.

[eager sleet]

As a lock main idk if it plays worse than the last patch when I largely stopped playing bc it wasn't fun I doubt I'm going to like this one any better

[small furnace]

Warlock and Wizard sitting pretty. BoC nerfs were pretty mild, and since these DPS classes have nothing you can build against them, they don't need absurdly high damage numbers to burst people.

[eager sleet]

The devs don't really seem to favor the casuals unfortunately gotta push that leader board

[small furnace]

Unfortunately all the good loot is in HR now, but HR is tied to leaderboards and I hate leaderboards. So it's not worth playing.

[eager sleet]

Yep they put a lot of emphasis on getting on the leader board and being rewarded for getting on it when I'm over here just trying to play normally and have good runs

[small furnace]

That's the thing, I like HR as a reward system.

What I don't like is leaderboards. There's no reward for being on the leaderboard, it's just a giant clout farm to try and get your name out there. No appeal to me.

[eager sleet]

See that guy over there he's got a starter potion I literally cannot live with out that and his gray magic staff

[final aurora]

I mean, it's clear the devs don't actually test these changes before they release them. We're the early access guinea pigs, and we're just supposed to, "accept" that. Unfortunate place we're in, because it's true, changes like this will happen, but man...Maybe test the shit a little? Maybe don't make patches so extreme? I don't know a single game that changes things this drastically patch to patch. And they even admitted they wanted to do "small tweaks", with patches like this one....Nice small tweak...

[eager sleet]

I think they said they wanted to reward people for being on the board in the qna

[small furnace]

Just make a ranked mode so I can play my high stakes gameplay w/o having to deal with leaderboard sweats.

[eager sleet]

Fr or just do seasonal ranked characters in their own pool

Track them from day 1 of the character, I can't stress how much Idgaf about the whole sponsored tournament they're running

[ruby kestrel]

idk what yall are on about I secured multiple blues and a purple in my second game in

[eager sleet]

Did you note the part where i said I haven't played yet?

[ruby kestrel]

nah I just saw complaining abt loot being nerfed

[eager sleet]

Yea I'm worried it's going to be shit like it was

[ruby kestrel]

honestly I didnt think it was so bad

[eager sleet]

Bc the devs don't clarify what they mean before the update it was pretty lack luster junk items arent what id call good loot

[final aurora]

you found blues and a purple where? HR? if not, I don't believe you and you're 100% lying. I've watched streamers play and they dont find ANY blues or better in norm dungeons.

want blues/purples. Basically HR only, on the chances you MAYBE find a decent blue to use in norms.

[steep sparrow]

Personally for me very good. I agree loot nerfs were just a bit much, but that's easily fixable. Not the first time they overnerf something then bring it back up. And such an approach makes sense, overnerf is much easier to fix than overbuff in both technical and public opinion sense. The main thing is they addressed damage scaling in a very effective way and that was the top priority problem. As for new content absence, they already said when to expect it and it's kinda already traditional by now that updates they call "hotfix" are balancing and the ones they call "patch" are content.

[eager sleet]

So it's like it was before the loot update

Easily fixable and them actually fixing it are a different story

[small furnace]

If you're playing HR yeah that's fair, but in norms I mean idk man. You must've gotten super lucky with that purple. Blues are pretty damn rare now. Most chests just have whites with very rare greens.

[small furnace]

Patch good except for loot nerfs and also my fave class ranger kinda not so good rn. If they improve balance on that and fix the loot then I'll agree with you. Everything else seems good, I'm just worried they won't do it lol

[eager sleet]

At ea launch you were hard pressed to find even a green is it like that now?

[small furnace]

Yeah, it's kinda like it was at EA launch.

Before they started trying to buff loot drops in general.

[eager sleet]

That's horrendous

[steep sparrow]

I'm pretty much sure they will adjust it up, at least for a bit. The consensus on them going overboard with that is kinda unanimous even among the patch supporters.

[eager sleet]

Idk if I wanna play this patch after hearing that, I thought they had the right balance end of last patch

[small furnace]

I hope you are right, for now I just don't have the motivation to play. I tried HR and found that it has a great amount of loot, so maybe they were trying to push people into HR with this change... regardless I don't wanna play in the leaderboard mode. They gotta separate HR from leaderboards then I'll be more comfy playing it.

@eager sleet I think it was a bit overtuned... but like... the way to fix that would be with more gradual nerfs, not a sledgehammer reversion to everything they built up over the last few months.

[eager sleet]

I'm just gonna wait till they fix loot if I'm not gonna waste my time over getting a trophy green and some gray/white items

[small furnace]

I understand where you're coming from but I implore you to at least try it. I know what I've been saying but you really should make your own decisions after playing and experiencing it.

[steep sparrow]

But there are no leaderboard now and there won't be any till Patch 2. And yes, I believe it was done to push people into HR. They kinda tried softer methods, didn't work, can be an another experiment of theirs.

[small furnace]

I know that, but I'm unwilling to get used to having to use the mode that leaderboards are tied to. They gotta separate it and I'll feel more comfy playing it.

I enjoy the high stakes risk v reward playstyle of HR. What I don't enjoy is the leaderboards aspect where certain streamers will run through entire lobbies not even looting just to try and increase a number tied to their name.

[eager sleet]

Imo their best attempt at pushing hr was removing the ante

But it's also very risky with players having the power to one shot you so maybe the damage nerfs will help out

Be damned if I go in to lose my best kit to a rouge one shot or some cringe shit like that

[steep sparrow]

That would be very hard to do under current circumstances. You can look yourself at all the modifiers. Suffice to say that +Weapon Damage can now be ONLY on weapons. And there cannot be two damage modifiers on the same item.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1agVOfhEXXV-W8bxcdK8eV7thkKsirPcf4ddZEczAL8s/edit?pli=1#gid=1080709658

[eager sleet]

I'll try it but I have really really low expectations it might just be 5-10 runs in caves or ruins and then I quit for a while

[eager sleet]

Yea I said as much but that might of been the issue before. Come access the wrong player and boom hours of prog down the drain

[small furnace]

Yeah Rogue and Ranger are in a hard spot rn. Kinda don't have their identity as a burst killer anymore.

So like Shipso said you should be fine on that part. At least it won't be a oneshot or anything close to it.

Yeah just give it a try so you can judge for yourself.

[eager sleet]

I'm good with that tho I don't think burst damage capable of one shotting you should be in the game at all. I'll take a nerf to my main class if it means no burst is present

Especially in a game like this were dying is more impactful than it is in others. Personally I think there should be reduced damage vrs players and pve should be standard. As well as showing me how much damage I'm actually doing to players

[small furnace]

Oh burst is still present, it's just on barb, wiz and warlock rn.

[eager sleet]

I thought wiz was kinda nerfed bc they fixed the magic damage application so fireball isn't one shotting

[jagged flicker]

cap.

[final aurora]

So yesterday I'm attacked by you, but today, my only gripe and complaint, you're admitting is an issue...Talk about a switch up...Attacking me yesterday, but now he agrees...Imagine....

[small furnace]

Wiz still strong cause there's very little sources of magic res in the game.

[eager sleet]

Is that after being built or at base?

[small furnace]

Both honestly, a skilled wizard can kill anyone in the game no matter how geared.

[final aurora]

I actually finally just hopped on for the first time for a couple hours and it's exactly what you said. They're clearly forcing you into HR, because it's the only place that does have loot. I did a couple and found I profit'd like 50-100g, and I could simply do regular goblin caves with less chance of dying to some SUPER geared guy and make around the same amount on a good run?! Where's the incentive...what actually happened to this game....I'm good on it, tell ya that. Revert loot in chests/important places/bosses, or I'm good on this wipe

[steep sparrow]

Don't try to be a smartass and learn to read, please. Here. #game-discussion message
From the VERY FIRST MESSAGE I said I agree with it being an issue, I just didn't agree it will kill the game like you said and with the patch being bad because of it. There was no switch up.

[eager sleet]

That's fine I suppose why would you play a high risk character if the reward/payout isn't good enough i say this as a nidalee main in league, man she's high skill for practically nothing

[final aurora]

And let me say, previous wipe, I was a Ruins solo player (Warlock), or GC HR. So my experience is based on these maps/solo experience, which is now pretty much pointless to grind/play.

[frosty juniper]

I got 200 gold and almost full greenmy first run after wipe in ruins as solo. I only had like 45min to play last night and my character has 2 purples, 2 blues and rest greens and 500gold in inventory. And I fuken suck at this game i died to goblins the 2nd run

[final aurora]

Maybe I'll have to do a couple more Ruins runs, but the ones I did, I would loot coffins/goldens and get literally white/grey gear in them. I once got a blue gem (3 runs I did, and looted multiple goldens/coffins on the runs). Was super disappointed, because Ruins 2v1s were my favorite. The loot on the map was obviously really good too with the description saying it has "improved loot".

[frosty juniper]

HR is where the good loots are at, HR goblin is okayish loot if u find the good chests but pve is an issue for me cause im badge

But I manage xD

[final aurora]

Yeah, I wasn't mad at the HR loot, I was satisfied in the runs getting actual blue/purple items (which is obviously the point of HR). But playing normals now feels so bad...

[frosty juniper]

They want you to go normal and get 100g then go to HR really.

Its just a bit monka when ppl bring the HR gear back to normals and chase you around.

But its easy to rat in goblin HR if you dont wanna pvp you can avoid it most of the time

[small furnace]

Kind of sums it up really.

I was okay with geared caped people running around in normals when you could actually GET geared and caped in normal. Now it just feels like people farm up in HR and then come to normals because normals have no loot.

Also for the record, I like HR when leaderboards aren't involved.

[frosty juniper]

Yeah HR is toxic in leaderboard times agree, i dont think Killer Outlaw is good for the game.

[weak vale]

One way to make the game better would be to add master chief to the game. If we had master chief we could get guns and gravity hammers. We could also get plasma grenades and use them to "stick!" the ghost king and kill him in 1 hit!!! After hes dead u get to summon cortana and she tells u "good job u good boy master chief" and she hugs u and u get to feel her honkin badonkas on u

[final aurora]

I love your takes!

[weak vale]

Thanks, I'm really smart,

[frosty juniper]

Killer Outlaw incentivizes the biggest nerds/best geared chadlets who usually also are the best players to farm the whole lobby for 16h a day. Biggest thing keeping people out of HR.

I guess you could say the same about the boss kills rankings as they would play the same to not get disturbed in hell, so theyll make sure everyone upstairs died before they go down.

Albeit, these are separate issues anyway

Hell should probably be a new lobby that fills up with ppl going hell from other lobbies

[small furnace]

Separate issues, but tangentially linked.

They wanna force people into HR so desperately that they're killing off normal loot and explicitly giving HR the good stuff, but I'm not willing to play it while HR is confirmed to continue to have leaderboards attached to it.

I'd really like a separate ranked mode. Some of us just wanna play the game and don't care about a number counter associated with our username. Just want higher risk v reward.

[frosty juniper]

Yeah, a second option could be a ”ranked queue” as you say.

Where loot is not increased, maybe even decreased a bit? To make it the pvp ranking grounds

And fee removed ofc

[eager sleet]

its ok im finding a few greens in GC after like 4 runs, 2 escapes 2 deaths, managed to kill troll with a rouge took 5 minutes and got a couple of blues that i lost bc i couldnt find a portal

[languid spoke]

loot doesn't really seem that bad.. at all? idk i don't usually waste time looting small chests but the big chests still seem strong

[ruby kestrel]

some people just dont know how to loot right idk. sprint thru and only grab big chests and centipedes

[pine comet]

Dude the big chests drop whites most of the time now and sometimes greens

[onyx current]

I liked the droprates we had. Please revert and increase crafting mat drop rates

Also a random thought i had for some interactive bard plays... make harmonic shield 2 songs, 1 for magical and 1 for physical, which cant stack and buff the number a tad while reducing the song cost. Actually use your brain depending on what your fighting.

[eager sleet]

ive gotten more blues from small chest

[quartz jetty]

The new modifiers are awful

[eager sleet]

as soon as you said this i got a nice blue kettle helm too lol

[storm blade]

can we fix the game before we do events please like add a report botton to trade chat

[rapid osprey]

bring back the loot as before. first time i disconnect because of a feeling of non rewarding game and no goal at all . i will go on another game and wait next updat for first time too .. sad

[eager sleet]

I feel you man, tho it wasn't as bad as people were saying I'm just not finding anything super good or useable

I found 1 weapon I could use out of 10 runs and got seal clubbed by a cleric in full blues in normal caves :/

[final aurora]

Crazy, must just be me that hates the loot change...

[mellow axle]

If you make bard get nerfed even more I’m coming to your house and knocking on your door

[lucid folio]

barb buffball still being this strong is a disgrace to devs

having the same thing being that strong for months and not being able to fix it is just cringe

[eager sleet]

That's why they're running the tournament, they're looking for shit to nerf

[lucid folio]

they don't need tourney to nerf the buffball, it was obviously op for months

[mellow axle]

How would you fix it then? Remove all buffing characters? Make barb completely useless without teammates? There are already options to deal with this strat, you just haven’t learned them yet

[eager sleet]

The devs just don't know it's op yet ok

[lucid folio]

nerf barb hard, especially his hp+nerf the war maul even more

[eager sleet]

Just spilt str into 2 stats and I think barb is fixed

[lucid folio]

if they don't know what's been going on in their game for literal months, it's incompetence

[mellow axle]

Barb is already the slowest in the game and almost no ranged options. If they nerf him any more he’s unplayable without teammates

[lucid folio]

that's why there was a 7 kd barb in hr leaderboards of goblin caves?

[mellow axle]

Barb is good when the fight is treated as a w key holding slugfest. You aren’t going to out sustain or out damage him, but there are plenty of options to deal with him.

[eager sleet]

Cleric is slower tho

[mellow axle]

The only change I’d make is to have silencing options cancel out existing buffs

[eager sleet]

That would be way too strong

[lucid folio]

yeah, the options like running away constantly, what a solution that doesn't solve the problem and just makes you avoid it

[mellow axle]

It would create a meta and a counter meta. Running silence on a rogue for example would handicap you against teams who don’t use buff ball since you couldn’t bring either weakpoint or hide

[eager sleet]

That's the point there's been issues in the game for a long time and the devs haven't done anything or addressed it

[mellow axle]

Cut throat should already do that anyway imo

[eager sleet]

Ok so you make bard a disgusting debuffer with his silence song

[lucid folio]

it does the same to his teammates tho

[eager sleet]

Yes, he's already meta so you just wanna see more bards on every team

[floral totem]

NERF BARD OR CHANGE DEVS NERF BARD OR CHANGE DEVS NERF BARD OR CHANGE DEVS

[charred summit]

Give him memory slots or lock the spells of each instrument behind a mastery aka perk

[graceful sleet]

bard has gotten 50 nerfs lmao im guessing ur a rouge main

[visual violet]

i still dont understand why traps are a thing. every single time i die in HR its to some ranger hiding traps in a body or something so stupid. i have 160 hp and im dead in 3 seconds there is 0 counter play other than " dont run into the trap" that has unlimited uses, stacks 2 on one slot AND are cheap. no other item that cheap gives that much value

[floral totem]

just not enough. compare a naked figher and a naked bard and see the result mr 'you are a main rogue'

[graceful sleet]

u can def beat a bard default fighter w a green sword only w second wind

[floral totem]

no you cant

[graceful sleet]

i can play fighter and prove it multiple times if you want

[floral totem]

you talking shit

[graceful sleet]

second wind gives you the ability to tank and push through im not talking shit lmao

try not to get kited they kite alot

[mellow axle]

Anyone saying bard is broken is delusional. Bard is probably the hardest class in the game to play well. They’re kind of fast, but no strength. Fights require super fast thinking and positioning has to be perfect or you insta die

[final aurora]

Bard literally has the least players in trade and is one of most annoying classes to play because of the APM you have to have. Barbarian in comparison has APM that a 6 year old could handle.

[onyx current]

Depends how you look at it. I want the 40/40 back but thats op, so id see it as a single 40 split in 2 songs from which you choose

Im a bard main but they killed the class because it was "overrepresented" when really, even tho it sucks, its just a really fun class... but then they put spell capacity, losing half your songs and only becoming half as fun but still more fun than some others

[languid spoke]

alright changed my mind. the loot changes are fucking awful

[abstract swallow]

just go to high roller, loot's fine there

[proper hornet]

Quick sugestion for the developers.. There is more people paying this game apart from the streamers. Fix your game or you wont have new players joining!
I just started my games after the patch and i am fighting people with purples...... WTF? What is the joy in playing anymore?
Fix this, please....
@dawn grotto @keen onyx

[civic parcel]

man the amount of people who don't understand the game...

[hazy tulip]

remove smite. Lowlife clerics.

[golden vine]

hr sucks for other reasons

[abstract swallow]

yeah, HR would be better if they'd just give us the 32 man 1st floor forgotten castle already
having to balance around looting in crypts is killing their efforts

[cerulean kestrel]

This is the most boring meta it’s ever been, gutting damage without touching damage mitigation. Buffball is more necessary than ever in 3s, Barb, fighter, cleric completely dominant in gobbo HR.

[abstract swallow]

it's almost like the game was built around PvP dropping you quickly, and people kept crying that low TTK was too much even after the devs conceded by tripling down on weapon damage nerfs and armor buffs

[foggy sparrow]

Maybe like a second wind speed regeneration heal instead of instant heal for cleric? My efforts on killing are healed away in seconds

[rancid pebble]

purples arent that much better than greens tbh, just play some and you will win, find a team :3

[hot hemlock]

Bro is complaining about purples when jackolantern is in game, what a goof

[echo wharf]

why are all rogue so rude

[neon sable]

I have played this game since it came out. To be honest I believe this is the worst state the game has been in. The entire damage system feels terrible, playing the same way I have many wipes and can't kill an AI let alone players. I'm taking a break from the game until they find a solution. Also they completely ruined the ranger.. please fix the game I love this game!

[hardy niche]

We seriously need returns on our throwing axes/knives from corpses. this is stupid

[untold kite]

would like to see more playable races

[pine comet]

Lizard man is next race coming out I think

[weary quartz]

shared stash or riot.

[obtuse socket]

remove ambush as a perk, no competitive game should give you a buff by hiding.

[jade pumice]

fighters are to broken since the dps doesnt do damage anymore

[north pewter]

lol had someone just buy the game and within a day they agree the games are way too short and the circle sucks

[rancid pebble]

its part of the class

[foggy sparrow]

Yes, a liiitle longer would be perfect

[crisp sierra]

Re-tune/Revert the loot
Getting gear is near impossible with the atrocious rolls and gold scarcity, getting gold is not fun since you're collecting white gear off of every mob/every chest. royal coffins giving me three cracked bangles and a white gem? really? why am I getting knowledge on my archers forest hood? wizard feels super weak due to less add mag damage

killing people is not fun due to this since no one has anything, maybe the elusive blue candle holder if you're lucky.

[fast lily]

They do a lot of damage. If you land them iirc there is a chance you get them back, too like arrows.

[small furnace]

I do not believe you get them back if you land them, it's the opposite in-fact. If you miss you can pick them up off the ground unless they hit a corpse.

[fast lily]

Maybe I've just gotten lucky with drops lmao

Either way, they're more of a PvP item as the classes that use the axe/throwing knife aren't supposed to really have consistent ranged options.

Could you imagine barbarian with a returning throwning axe? I'm good. Those axes already can do half your health.

[small furnace]

Oh yeah no throwing axes are definitely fine as is. Don't think they need a return. Just correcting you on that one point.

[atomic yacht]

waa waa

[fast lily]

If I had a wishlist of changes, it would be:

• If you're using a default kit, you're put in a unique queue with only default kit users. Add a button to give yourself the default kit and store all other items you have in your inventory and equipped.
• If you're not using a default kit, you're put in a normal queue.
• Ante of Highroller is changed: You can either pay X GP or if you're equipped armor is worth a certain amount of NPC sell value, you get in for free because you're risking enough.

[small furnace]

idk if that would fix anything.

Rn there seems to be an issue with them wanting to force people so hard to go to HR by making it so the loot is worlds apart.

This has the effect of making it easier for HR people to calmly collect their loot, then go crush timmies in normal lobbies who can't loot gear anywhere near as good or as fast as they can.

I guess we'll see soon if this works as intended but given the amount of people that have been saying they're outright quitting from the most recent loot change I would doubt it.

I've been saying this a lot but I think it does have a lot of merit. Permanently separate leaderboards from HR queue, I think that would help. There's a lot of people like me that LIKE the high risk v reward gameplay but don't enjoy playing with the streamers that bum rush every spawn looking for fast and easy kills to increase the number next to their name.

[fast lily]

I think overall my system would be better for onboarding people. It wouldn't handhold anybody but I think the game needs a queue that starts everyone at a level playing field when they're learning the game or for that period of time when you're completely without gold. Default kit queue would at least give everyone something to do that gives them a no gear gap excuse when they die.

Overall though, yeah, I know they're still working on balancing HR and normal queue loot and all that, I just think my idea would be a better base system to work around.

[vague finch]

Give mimics regular chest loot instead of mob loot

[grave estuary]

Let me toss silver coins at people as a bard.

[quasi belfry]

Casuals grey to green gear, hr blue-named

[deft epoch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504538/add-pois-to-all-the-dungeons

[past oyster]

Fix the bard's dissonance, its not working

[abstract swallow]

any sort of default kit queue just makes the gear disparity problem infinitely worse by giving people a farming server to just buy into full kits
goblin caves already makes this a massive problem, we don't need the same thing on a full game scale

[proud trail]

can we not have purples in norms btw

its fucking boring, to get tapped by people in purples looking to make 2 smeckles when we want to make a start for ourselves and have default gear. apparently the fact the loot sucks ass doesnt make a difference

[pale gorge]

yeah but then rangers and rogues and warlocks should be able to keep their distance and range and not have a fighter or barbarian absolutely bum rush you penalty free with buff ball

[molten phoenix]

Balance suck

[icy egret]

STOP RUINING THE GAME WITH THIS UPDATES

[dim jetty]

game still broken

[supple mountain]

I am surprised people are so occupied with incessant balance whining and nobody is talking about how fucking boring the PvE is

PvE is the thing you experience most in the game, yet it's also the most boring thing ever. I play wizard solo and 90% of my playtime is bonk-run-repeat x5 to kill some shitty skeleton. There's not interactivity, no thinking, nothing. Just bonk-run-repeat

[calm dove]

So fellow wizards does your starter kit just feel weaker?

[real trellis]

Try running ignite + dagger + orb to speed up pve kills, or try using the crystal sword or just use magic missile and meditate. Smacking shit with your staff is the worst possible way to play wizard

[tiny wigeon]

Amen brother

[supple mountain]

changing weapons speeds it up but it doesn't change the fact that the PvE combat is fucking boring as hell

[real trellis]

Depends on the mob but yeah some of 'em are

[lime wagon]

Maybe buff loot even hr loot pool is trash atm

[jagged flicker]

disagree. I get loads of blue/purps. WHAT NEEDS to change is the number of things in boxes. Just buff it by a lil for bigger chests. A full box even when whites/gray make for a better feeling.

[hardy onyx]

Gear and loot is shit atm, difference from a base kit to a god kit takes ages to build, not worth my time while having a 9-5 on the side.
Probably not gonna waste time playing this patch thanks to that (top 20 wiz last patch)

[sinful flare]

Hr sucks no point of going in hr just to get the same gold from normals

[silver hazel]

Tough I guess, loot overall needed nerfing... It was overly abundant last patch to the point noone felt like they needed to go to HR, not unless players wanted to try for Uniques.

Maybe in the future we'll have weekend events which temporarily boost loot rates or something similar to help people who are busy with work/their lives/etc, but the game needs to have a healthy economy.

[ripe prairie]

bro a 9-5 isnt on the side ????

[naive thicket]

I don’t think anything will get ppl into HR on the scale that the devs want. I play HR frequently and tbh it’s not as fun as norms.

Mainly cuz you have to sweat every match and the mobs are a bit tedious at times

[foggy sparrow]

i was getting in HR more often when there was rare limit

[naive thicket]

True fair point

[abstract swallow]

HR will never be popular because goblin caves killed it, it used to be a sizeable chunk of the community

[foggy sparrow]

Rare limit was a pretty good thing but for a game like this it is possible for a better option, hopefully they will find the balance in the force

[quartz jetty]

Last patch was so much better than the current

[naive thicket]

Were there a lot of HR solos before? Also wasn’t pre-GC PT3 when there was 100k players

[foggy sparrow]

i believe they do big changes every patch because they are experimenting with balancing, surely they will find golden middle

[abstract swallow]

Teams had a very healthy variety back in the mono-crypts days.
Smaller lobbies and no shitty party size locked maps meant you'd see a spread of sizes.
And the stats stand up, over 5% of games used to be HR even when the majority of games were very low level LR lobbies

[naive thicket]

I’m interested to see what % is maining GC only

And it’s fair to say that gathering hall used to be more active without the solos too, though I still think having a solo mode is good for the game

[foggy sparrow]

What if cleric didnt heal instantly instead cleric heal would have fast regeneration or only heal to max HP left

[abstract swallow]

GC makes up 60% or more of games, and that was back during the playtests so it's probably even higher now that it's grafted itself into the economy as the go-to for solo cash farming
it's a huge issue and I have no idea how they fix it without having GC reds take you to the real dungeon

[final aurora]

You get them from HR though, not normal runs or Ruins...

[earnest night]

Bring back + all or make it so barb can heal faster, idk why it takes a whole minute to use a surg kit when 3/4 of the classes can heal instant, warlock leech/second wind/ ranger pop tarts, (don't get me started on clerics), rogue use surg in less than 10 seconds, idk how barb is supposed to live when there's teams of 3/4 people in normal gc and it takes me more than a minute to heal

[dense sand]

this guy makes up stats

[abstract swallow]

all stats are made up

[quasi belfry]

I bet he's correct

[smoky iris]

POT WILL MAKE YOU PARANOID AND THINK PEOPLE ARE WEIRDOS

[feral hedge]

can we pleaaaaasse get a FOV slider???? @dawn grotto

[mellow axle]

Nah pot is cool. Fun fact: the reason that resting recovers health so slow is because the devs intended for players to take a bong rip during it

[white cliff]

The loot drops are significantly better in HR.

[sinful flare]

It is better but I have to pay 100g to get in and it’s just usually not worth the danger of you getting in a fight with a giga geared team

Even if you are also giga geared

[jade pumice]

They shoud have just reduced the ammount of add weapon damage and physical damage, like instead of 3 on chest make it 2 , instead of 2 on gloves boots and hats make it 1,

[sinful flare]

They said they want slower ttk I don’t get why they didn’t just reduce every damage received by 30-50%

[white cliff]

That’s kind of the point of the game though.

[jade pumice]

Ya slower ttk, i get like rangers shouldn’t 2 shot full playe fighters but then they also shouldn’t tank like 10 arrow with a blue longbow

[echo gorge]

Game needs a rock paper scissors emote

[proud sigil]

You guys need to make a change on this game. It’s stupid that we need to spend a lot of time trading, looting or pve only, when PvP it’s the 10% or less in this game. And we all want only PvP, like the old goblin caves with 10 peoples and only 4 portals fighting for our life’s.

[crude crag]

dark swarm should have it's damage increased the deeper a player is inside of it, so they can't survive far away from the zone.

[spice lodge]

Please introduce matchmaking ASAP - preferably yesterday. It's impossible to get my friends to enjoy this game as new players... fking hell no wonder if their lvl 1 characters get streamrolled by all purpled out 20s

[limber fiber]

nerf crossbows like you nerfed bard

[crude crag]

phantomise should not increase movement speed

[echo wharf]

quit shooting them in the feet then

[past oyster]

stop shooting their arms

[livid mason]

fighters are physically designed to combat physical damage. getting runned by them is another thing though

[echo wharf]

why the hell can a warlock heal off of his own hydra, a horrible mechanic

[eager sleet]

can we get another solo map that isnt caves? GD im sick of caves and 2v1 in this game is so crappy

[viscid galleon]

whats the point of the blue wizards default pot? isnt it better the green ones? im pretty noob with this character

[sharp cape]

Nerf cleric its the most broken classi n the game by far

[eager sleet]

just nerf everything if everything is bad nothing is good this kind of philosophy would certainly work well for the devs and i think it would really help the game move in the right direction

[sharp cape]

strawman

[eager sleet]

no i think thats accurate the devs like heavily nerfing things so it would be right up their alley

[sharp cape]

oh i thought you were saying thats my idea

[eager sleet]

make everything so bad that the only thing you can fuss about is your class being bad

[small furnace]

"Nerf everything" does seem to be the mindset they are going for. Very anti-fun.

[eager sleet]

no im offering a real suggestion here bc its always nerf this nerf that here, so just make it all shite

its already anti-fun as a solo, so i dont see it getting any better anytime soon

[chrome crypt]

Would love a only PvP mode with preset gear to choose from, cant bring loot out just strictly for pvp

[fossil mulch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491636/debuff-duration-bonus-change-to-drop-both-and-varients-of-the-stat

[white cliff]

Especially with the balance changes it’s just inarguably the best frontline class.

[foggy sparrow]

Please fix the bug with right mouse click, it sometimes blocks by itself and sometimes it doesn't block when you want to

[thin flicker]

Lmao anyone saying their isn't pvp doesn't play crypts at all

[lilac frost]

Make it to where vendors always have all grey weapons available pure rng/forcing players to stockpile gray weapons is annoying. I've had 6 resets without heavy leather leggings. Multiple resets without being able to buy a one handed barb weapon is super dumb. I think greens and blues should be the only randomized thing no reason I should have to guess whether or not I can use a double axe next raid.

[foggy quartz]

Skill issue

[eager sleet]

Alternatively they could give us customizable starter sets so you can actually practice with weapons and not be out anything

[half whale]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504823/the-ruins-high-roller-map upvote if you guys would gracefully 😄

[winter bison]

bolt/arrow tax is stupid. get rid of it have to pay 45g each game for some bolts

[tacit spear]

Limit useless/bad rolls on specific items, such as 'knowledge' appearing on forest hood. Not saying everything should be oriented towards damage but at least something like move speed, max health, or say 'reload speed' would make it feel appreciable without being obnoxious to play against like the weapon/phys dmg stacking last patch.

[tall furnace]

Just remove ranger for a few resets so people can enjoy the game.

[eager sleet]

i literally thought it was an issue with my mouse

[tacit spear]

if they're gonna remove ranger, they might as well remove range itself: no crossbows, knives, throwing axes, mage/warlock spells

[main thicket]

They just need to make you have to hold your breath when you aim with bows and if you don’t your aim is wobbly

[slate schooner]

Revert patch

[foggy sparrow]

Same

[foggy sparrow]

Also make you aim crossbow for accurate fire

[lilac frost]

Make it when you die it spectates who killed you not a random player

[granite plinth]

What if there was a fart feature

[agile blaze]

make rangers more gear dependant. They can run from me and lay traps and after they eventually kill me the worst part is I spectate and he has a green bow and grey starter gear. He takes a full set of blue purple if he wins, but he only has to risk a green longbow? its a no brainer for him. They should have to have good gear to be able to justify that damage output , or remove traps

[tacit spear]

im down for removing traps and nerfing dmg, but giving rangers more mobility

[tall furnace]

Yeah honestly why haven't rangers been nerfed more... Seems like everyone except the people working on the game seem to realize this needed to happen like 4 resets ago yet it never does. Maybe they are ranger mains?

[small furnace]

Rangers are in a terrible state this current patch, I hope that's a joke but somehow I imagine not.

[tacit spear]

honestly people just complain about whatever 'op' thing killed them last game

[tall furnace]

Right "terrible state" thats why everyone is complaining about them. Just because you probably can't get free kills with them you probably think they are balanced

[sharp vault]

if theres a major rework in the works then i apologize but your player count would go up by 10k if you finally nerf rangers. like 99% of the playerbase has been asking for.

[echo wharf]

day 10000 of asking why warlock is so broken

[graceful beacon]

i feel like people just go in chat and say whatever they died to is op. ive heard ranger, rogue, warlock, barbarian, cleric, AND bard is overpowered in the last month. like come on...

[echo wharf]

what part of the warlock is balanced

[graceful beacon]

idk. but still, you could say the same thing about cleric, rogue, and bard

[echo wharf]

lets see what the warlock has that none of those have. Infinite heals, infinite spells, fast, able to zone with the fire walk shit and hydra, oh and has ranged attacks

[graceful beacon]

cleric has ranged attacks, practically has infinite heals if you aren't terrible at the game/ have clarity potions, and can zone with two spells

[echo wharf]

by ranged i dont mean 10ft i mean same as ranger

[graceful beacon]

being able to snipe isnt that good for anything but ruins tho

[echo wharf]

what do you mean, its great. anyone trying to run away. you can kill

[echo wharf]

also cleric has to spend money to get his heals back, where warlock just always has it. also warlock heals while deling dmg. again something a cleric cant do. what two spells can he zone with. earth quake maybe, but you just stand still and it does no damage. al the rest you just eat one hit and get close. where the warlock just spams hydras, heals off of them. then when youre right on him will do his little firewalk bullshit.

[graceful beacon]

i guess warlock is that good 😭

[echo wharf]

i even forgot blow of corruption which they "nerfed" by 5 points. the only thing warlock has against him is hes squishy. which doesnt matter much when you can heal off of everything for free

[graceful beacon]

ok

[cedar breach]

we gotta start making campfires stackable too now. i got 5 freaking campfires taking up so much space in my stash

[drowsy grotto]

Campfires one downside is that it isn't stackable, either sell them or stop complaining. 3 man team heals are great.

[small furnace]

I don't think they're balanced. I think they're pretty damn awful rn.

They had their BIS weapon nerfed pretty harshly and the only form of scaling that helped them stay relevant in the late game meta was 80% removed.

Barbarian is dominant rn because they scale off strength and you can still stack tons of strength. Buffball still strong, ranger and rogue not.

[lilac frost]

they are already too fast to be balanced

[sinful flare]

The game is really boring, no progress actually is being made for solos, only way to get bunch of loot as solo is farming troll.
Plus I’ve been running down servers both solos and trios on hr and normals killing maybe 100 people and no one has good gear and most people barley even has sellable loot on them.
So that’s the game state we want? Playing vs barley geared people all day is super boring and that one time you have actually sellable geared team against you the server crashes.
But regardless, a whole fking day of playing and we saw one team with good gear maybe two and we didn’t even encounter them.
It’s not fun and not rewarding to do anything besides hr inferno bosses which is very repetitive and not exciting specially when no team is geared enough to contest you.
They should absolutely return the insane loot we used to have and gear will actually have value and people could get good gear but it won’t break the game like weapon dmg did.
Rn it feels like the game needs some more geared people because it’s already few days since wipe and 90% of the people are still running naked.

[sinful flare]

@keen onyx

I miss the feeling from last wipe when you outplayed someone and didn’t even get hit and checked their loot you got 3k off that.

Rn the best item I got all day was worth maybe 400g

And I was running hr trios and solos for few hours

[small furnace]

@sinful flare You get it.

Not only does it just feel bad to loot in anything that isn't HR, but when you do get a good kit and if you queue in normal crypts literally nobody will have gear for you to take. Just empty grey/white kits all over the place.

When someone IS in normals and you're ungeared they gonna roll over you with p much no room for outplay cause you can't just pick up half decent gear in normals anymore.

[sinful flare]

In normals I kill the whole lobby naked solo wizard

The mobs are harder to kill than people ngl.
The game state is extremely not rewarding for a noob.
Only people who farm hr bosses will get loaded.

Plus, I don’t think bringing back better gold and gear from chests is gonna hurt anyone, it’s gonna make people actually progress

[pulsar pivot]

get rid of trading all together. Real money transaction would be totally gone and so would most of the cheaters. game is so pay to win with people able to just buy gold and then buy all the gear in the game. just make it so you can trade within your own account to all your own characters and make everyone grind for the goods.

[sinful flare]

It’s actually not a bad thing ngl, for me if I see rmb team it’s free gear, because they usually suck at the game so they need to buy the gear instead of actually getting it

[pulsar pivot]

the pre 15 queue was a huge boost for fun for everyone mostly because of no trading. the game actually had consequences and difficulty. and the gear limit they imposed would have been perfect for that, not how they actually implemented it. some people were actually queiing up with friends pre 15 and feeding them bis gear so they could extract and wear bis items lvl 1

[sinful flare]

The only bad thing is cheater coming into hr to get gear and kill other geared people but they usually get banned.

[small furnace]

Yep. It felt better when more people were caped up and ready to fight. Then it felt rewarding to run through the lobby killing them collecting gear sets.

[pulsar pivot]

how does this game still not have a shared bank between your own characters at this point. If you're a solo player without trusted friends you cannot move gear between your characters.

[small furnace]

Yeah that's the intent, the devs don't want people w/o friends to be able to move loot.

[graceful beacon]

why would they want that though?

[small furnace]

I'm joking. It just doesn't make sense to not have some kind of method to move items from one character to another, even if it isn't a shared stash. The devs are just weirdly stubborn about certain things.

[graceful beacon]

yeah. hopefully they add stuff like that in the future, now that they claim they are focusing on content now

[small furnace]

Sorry when I said "Weirdly stubborn" I mean the devs have vocally said they do not want people transferring loot between characters. Not that they weren't doing it cause of other priorities.

[graceful beacon]

oh wow. thats weird...

[small furnace]

The part that was a 'joke' from me was that they don't want people w/o friends. I'm assuming the devs don't intend for you to use friends to transfer loot, but the end result is that it happens.

[pulsar pivot]

that's how you attract people to your game. make simple tasks inconvenient and time consuming and in a lot of cases just impossible for most players

[abstract swallow]

yes

[dire granite]

no loot - no fun
just running naked and feeling gear-fear again all the time
also it even longer time spending in trade cause of low gold mostly always

the lowest online ever
all people in highroll are friendly just looting to play

SKIP until next hotfix\patch

[wintry egret]

love that i just got a golden key out of gobbo caves to get rolled back, my absolute favorite, but hey atleast the tournament is running smooth right? Idiot devs

[graceful beacon]

calm down

[sharp roost]

remove gray items from the game, thanks

[graceful beacon]

loot isnt even that bad. run highroller and youll get good loot dude. did you spend 10 minutes in goblin caves and give up??? high roller feels the same

[quasi belfry]

It'd be cool if they increased the size of ruins by 2x and made it trios. Maybe have it where there's outskirts coming into the ruins?

[thin flicker]

Starter gear only lobbies alongside current lobbies

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491199/starter-gear-only-lobbies

[dire granite]

just went out of crypt highroller

[graceful beacon]

I'm tired

[dire granite]

same as me, no any fun last time

[gilded eagle]

Hello everyone, how to correct stuttering?

[sinful flare]

BRO PLEASEEE MAKE MORE GEAR AVAILABE PEOPLE IN HR ARE AFRAID TO FIGHT LITERALLY MOST BORING PATCH EVER NO ONE HAS GOOD GEAR EVERYONE IS BAD AND JUST NOT FIGHTING RUNNING AWAY BRO THIS IS THE SADDEDST PATCH IVE SEEN WTF NO POINT PLAYING LOL NO ONE HAS GEAR AND IF THEY DO THEY DONT EVEN TRY TO FIGHT

@dawn grotto

@dawn grotto I BEG HOTFIX THE LOOT ON THIS IS THE SADDEST LOOT IVE SEEN 75 OR 100G FOR 200-300G RUNS THIS IS NOT PAYING UP NO ONE IN HR HAS GOOD GEAR AND THEY ALL AFRAID TO FIGHT IF ITS SOLOS EVERYONE GEARFEARING PLS FIX IT

BRING BACK PURPLES IN NORMALS AND BUNCH OF GOLD FROM ANYTHING LIKE LAST PATCH BUT KEEP THE GEAR STATS AND ROLLS AS IT IS NOW @dawn grotto
90% OF PEOPLE HAS NO GEAR AND THE LAST 10% HAS SHIT GEAR NOTHING IS ACTUALLY WORTH TO KILL ONLY ONCE IN 50 GAMES I SEE BIS TEAM WITH GOOD GEAR THAT IS WORTH TO KILL AND IN SOLOS I BARLEY SEE MORE THAN 500G GEAR SETS.

[real trellis]

Stop pinging graysun my god how entitled can you be

[outer lotus]

completely agree, the loot is making it not fun. if you die you gotta grind for hours to make another good set

[jolly ledge]

then pick fights? no one holding you guys hands for top tier loot, going in normal goblin caves and finding purps regularily was awful

[torn goblet]

naw, not everyone has enough time to spend grinding highroller all day

[sinful flare]

The problem is people have no gear and it’s boring to demolish timmies all day and get no profit for killing them

[daring coyote]

Would love an option to matchmake for random teammates or an extra team mate for a trio

[heady zealot]

And I would love you see you get some money!!! Broke ahhhh

[twilit anvil]

Purples are already back in normals

[wintry egret]

another rollback surprising

[sinful flare]

No they’re not I didn’t get one purple on normals and the loot in normals is so bad i don’t even bother going there

Plus everyone in normals is non geared it feels like a pre 15 lobby but with more people

[faint onyx]

fix wizard for the love of god its been completely garbage for the last 5 patches and IM havent made a single attempt to fix it. GIVE WIZARD A STARTER SPELL BOOK.

Wizard is a different game. Fighter, rogue, barb, warlock and ranger is like playing call of duty and wizard is fucking dark souls but you have superglue in your eye.

[woven jolt]

Split buffs into different categories (ex. dark souls style: weapon buff, general buff, consumable, ...) and allow 1 buff per category to be active at any one time. Boom. Buffball is no longer stupid.

[celest pagoda]

is loot still the same?

[faint onyx]

yo this patch fucken sucks

[torn goblet]

no its dog shit

[celest pagoda]

gotcha so still boring huh damn guess next patch

[calm dove]

Not goign to lie the rage is real this is the worst patch by far.

[limber elbow]

game will dead in few more day maybe a week because this patch

[calm dove]

I'm all for taking away plus damage on some gear. However they placed all the damage on the most expensive gear. Combine that with less loot and it just feels bad. Like when I kill ppl they have nothing. When I die they're kited in purples. Lower drops rate is not bad on its on but it directly translates into us spending more time in the god forsaken trade chat and I hate it. The trade system will be the end of this game for me and probably thousands of others. I don't want to sit in there waiting for gear to show up/selling gear. Much less waiting on friends doing the same deal. I really hope devs at least try testing no trade system and increased loot from dung and merchants. THis game is not an mmo we don't need a trade system it's more trouble than its worth. We can have fun drop trading to friends.

[cinder fulcrum]

are you a troll? seriously answer me, you've been in multiple channels spewing hate, if you respond awfully im just gonna know you are

[fleet crown]

REPORT for pre-teaming in solo q lobby

[cinder fulcrum]

Unless they pre joined together, it's not wrong to "Team up" has been stated by devs

[wintry egret]

i mean its not spewing hate, hes not wrong. stating facts isnt hating on something its just being honest, tired of people getting butt hurt by the truth

[cinder fulcrum]

Homie is working like a propaganda machine spewing this game is gonna die in every single chat available in the discord, its spewing hate

[wintry egret]

maybe hes spreading the word

[fleet crown]

They did pre-joined together before game, they did both troll on high roller, cleric was buffin up rogue

[cinder fulcrum]

then thats super fucked, i wish there was a way

[fleet crown]

I cannot even report that 😭 cuz thats not "cheating" unless it is

[cinder fulcrum]

It is cheating if they prejoined together actually, and it should be reportable

[fleet crown]

but I cannot even report that properly, cuz there is no way to actually "write any comment" regard cheating... chinesee playing on EU servers...

[obtuse fern]

i think fixint the servers is the mian priority right now more than balancing

[naive elk]

I got like 4-5 purples in normal, they're shit, but I got them.

[main pivot]

I'd appreciate a class that can build traps around the dungeon. Like an engineer (different from bear traps that rangers have... thinking more of the dungeon traps themselves)

[storm blade]

you guys ever going to fix teaming or do you like gold sellers in your game

[lucid charm]

Each mode should have its own balancing. Some classes are bad in trio but too strong in solo.

[storm blade]

the issue is they are que to team its been an issue in HR from the start

[hot hemlock]

And how do you expect them to implement a change for that, the only way its stopped is by recorded evidence which even then isnt 100% provable

[ruby pendant]

POV you play plate fighter

[white cliff]

You do realize the lack of loot in normals stops a lot of people from wanting to punch down? The good loot is exclusively in HR for a reason.

[sinful flare]

Even in hr the loot is shit and people have no gear they all afraid to fight and lose their kit.
@ruby pendant I play wizard and warlock

[white cliff]

Idk, I’ve been recording my games because I’m going to create some longer form content and the loot I’ve picked up is pretty good, and the gear from players is even better. Picked up a ruby silver kit day 2. Felt pretty good.

[sinful flare]

That’s just lucky I guess, I played for 4 hours this morning and got only one good kit from a cleric and his kit worth maybe 500-600g

I’ve been killing hundreds bro people have no gear it’s sad

[runic musk]

giga chimp take, just build something other than + damage and you have a good set

[white cliff]

Yeah I’m often wondering if my experience is a bit in a bubble, I’m playing with top 100 players, running buff ball, and losing extremely rarely. The loot on the other hand, idk what to say I pick up purples in HR all the time but the fights are different for sure.

[runic musk]

Every othe type of build is noe viable and you are bitching about not getting to one shot, stack agi action speed and you have higher dps

stack strength phys power on a twohanded build and you hit for like 80-100

[sinful flare]

Fights are way more balanced rn but it still feels like the game is stuck in a state where people that are not good enough can’t get loot at all

Which really makes it boring to run down naked trios or maximum bad blue geared ones

[ripe wren]

Add brass knuckles or spiked knuckles for the rogue as a weapon, that way the punching is actually used a bit more and it's a fun new way to fight others! Perhaps add a perk that makes them actually damage something too https://youtu.be/Q3cZjILTtm4?si=qwPMAdH2Gctgteqf

[half whale]

revert whole patch

[ripe wren]

That could be added, but it's probably something they thought about. Inventory management, and "limited time to loot" is a pretty important part of the game and is what keeps things exciting. You have limited space and moving things in and out take time. Meanwhile there's a 3rd party coming into the room and you have to book it. So looting can't be too streamlined and "automatic sorting"-like

[sinful flare]

People used to go out with 4 crossbows or more and just spam arrows like there’s no tomorrow, it’s a good thing they added it

[dreamy bane]

Why do we not have a place to test our gear besides the sometimes 5 seconds before a match? It shouldn't be all that difficult to take one of the loading maps and make it a place to go and test gear and builds??? Thoughts?

[sinful flare]

They need to make a custom map for pvp practice only a lot of people in this game have 0 aim 0 movement 0 mechanics just straight up loot goblins

Makes it really boring and not challenging only when you go inferno hr you find some giga chads

[timid rose]

Pls bring gear cap back atleast in goblin caves

[calm dove]

well the problem is it's still gear>skill...all you have to do is hold w when geared. Kinda lame

[sinful flare]

Not really, skill is way more impactful now than the last patch.
I think it’s a good way in PvP but the loot is horrible leaving people really ungeared and not worth to kill

Only thing kinda needs a nerf is barb scream that gives him ms and str and some soft cap for buff balling

[calm dove]

Maybe for some classes but fighter and barb are brain dead no skill classes. Just sprint and kill while cleric heals you/buffs. The only thing this last patch did was insure we all have to spend more time in trade system which is horrible.

[mystic yoke]

A soft cap on buffs would be cool and probably useful, maybe if they just only ever added stats which already give diminishing returns at high values. Directly adding to things like MS or WD, which has no cap and stacks additively, feels like it's a major part of the issue

[sinful flare]

Well you can outplay that with earthquake pretty easily, the big problem is the amount of stats gained from buff balling because you can go in full naked and two shot geared players if you’re full buff balled with ale

[fluid jacinth]

fix crashing

[calm dove]

I have actually had a fighter just get healed through my earthquake it did less than nothing to stop him. This game is devoid of skill when it come to melee combat. You can duck and lean but it's basically gear/buffs win.

[sinful flare]

Well if you got all of their heals then you should go back and bait them again for your 2nd earthquake

Idk what really happened there so I can’t really tell you anything else

[calm dove]

lol there was nothing that could be done. No escape after he just sprinted through earthquake. Just chopped me down. The gear dif can really just be impossible.

[mellow cosmos]

We need a place and a way to report players' names and voip (There's a player with the name HapyDatGeorgeFloydDed for instance, and hearing bigotted and racist voip very often)

[calm dove]

nah I like the funny names. Freedom of speech is cool.

[sinful flare]

If they were full bis geared and you had shitty gear it’s reasonable considering the cleric heals for half hp every heal he gives him plus with second wind and with a full bis gear it is reasonable. Not really fun but I guess they were strong enough to break through and just w key you. It can happen.
But if you had the gear he would die instantly. @calm dove

[calm dove]

Yeah I had zero gear. I think a huge problem in tis game is average players will not want to spend the time to buy gear in trade system. not a fun and interactive system so iinstead they just keep sending it low gear in dung getting rolled by sweats that want to do hell bosses.

[sinful flare]

If you keep sending it low geared it is reasonable that you die to a sweaty team with gear.
Try to send it full non geared for a few runs and then you have to sit on market for a bit to get your gear and then you’ll have more fun. It’s also certain that non geared players can do much more than before. @calm dove

PvP wise the game is much more fun but the loot chances are horrible people have no gold and getting a bis purple gear can cost you only 2000g which makes it even harder for new players.
I like stomping timmies but this is just sad when everyone is hard gear fearing and not trying to fight and just looting like goblins all day

[calm dove]

Yep its just not a fun loop. For me mostly I'm killing no geared ppl. Then get rolled by ppl in full bis. Just a matter of time before you become a timmy yourself. Then it's back tot he market and not only do you have to wait for the gear you're looking for to pop up. You also have to win the trade click. Then you have to wait for your squad to do the same thing. BORING

[sinful flare]

I kill bis people all the time because of the loot changes and PvP balancing making the game much more skill based and not gear based.
But I get you not everyone is sweating and people just wanna have fun and getting stomped over and over again can feel really frustrating.

Plus I usually do that in solos and not in trios because killing one bis is hard enough but killing 3 is just almost impossible when you’re non geared and they play well

If you’re a really good player, I’d suggest go in 100g geared to hr and just outplay all the goblin farmers

But it’s boring sometimes because some classes when non geared like wizard are bad vs hr mobs in solo

[frosty juniper]

Alot of ppl dont wanna fight in goblin HR, its quite the safe haven most rounds imo. The pve is hard tho

New players should probably avoid it until they got all mob patterns down

[calm dove]

Yep all my friends have already quit sadly. The only thing that will bring them back is separate matchmaking with not trade system. This patch is the least I have played. I main wiz and it's rough with the way all your damage mostly come from jewlery.

[sinful flare]

It’s boring that’s what I’m saying, as a guy who loves PvP the only thing I get is people running miles into the storm dying to mobs 1 min before the game ends, I usually have no time to loot them

[dim jetty]

Bring back item caps please.

[dreamy inlet]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[echo wharf]

crypts map is awful, please give us a new 3 man

[dim jetty]

Love how I can't progress at all in this game, everyone has blue purps few days after wipe

[frosty juniper]

Rat together a green wep and 75g then go to goblin HR and rat there for a bit. BigE profit

Raining blues and purps

Also most ppl are just there to rat and want to avoid pvp… at least when leaderboard isnt running

[sinful palm]

just have a minor suggestion, i will say the gear is in a great spot at the moment but i do believe sellables should be in a better place i dont talk bad about this game i love it an believe yall are doing amazing but i do believe if the loot tables for selling items in=snt change the player base might dwindle a bit i hope it doesnt but it could ii survuved 5 raids in a row 2 with 80 luck role an did not make over 400g ned on a good note love ya guys thanks for the great game i look forward to the progression of this game in the future

[echo wharf]

is it just me or is the sound way of f i nthis game sometimes

[bright ore]

Gear cap didn’t work.
Impose a noob stomping tax to queue in regs.

50g per purple
75g per orange
150g per unique

[dim jetty]

Bring back item caps, stop catering to whiney streamers

[thin flicker]

A strange concept but this would actually work

[dim jetty]

Rogue still broken, straight up meme class. Bring back item caps.

also did you make the game darker? cant see anything

you should put a cool down on pickpocket, 30-60 secs before they can grab anything else

[graceful beacon]

no way you want to nerf pickpocket lmao...

[oblique pewter]

@hushed arrow Nice purple in normal game and greed naked for taking blue portal like a real men 😉

[hushed arrow]

You want me to play that game mode that everyone hates? Nah ty. I will just keep on killing crybabies like you. Where do you think I got the gear? And btw how weird are you writing that to me in here?

[dry glacier]

Make the dark swarm extinguish the lights it touches. Have it live up to it's name

[oblique pewter]

@hushed arrow Mckey boy, big balls continue to greed some naked in purple and rush the blue ur soooo strong hahhaha

[hushed arrow]

[hushed arrow]

I just put you down like the dog you are.

I punched you out dude.

[oblique pewter]

with ur purple gear hahahaha against a naked boy Soooooooooo strong big balls team 😉

[hushed arrow]

You are naked because you are bad. Get better and get some gear. Crying about other peoples gear wont get you there dude.

[oblique pewter]

ans why u don't go hr with some geared?

[hushed arrow]

Because its ass. That is why no one is playing it.

That game mode is as ass as your gameplay.

[oblique pewter]

that's why u go in normal for slay some naked and take blue? and when u see some gear u run big honor on you and ur no balls team ❤️

[hushed arrow]

You are a funny guy.

[oblique pewter]

and ur just a little shit like in real life i think.

[graceful beacon]

what

[calm dove]

Not going high roller because chances are you will lose your gear set. That is the truth don't be a ashamded to admit it.

[hushed arrow]

I dont play HR because its not fun. Most of the good players would tell you the same. But honestly I dont owe anyone an explanation for how I want to play the game.

Blaming gear is the ultimate loser mentality. There is a reason you have no gear. Its because you are bad. That is okay. Just dont blame other ppls gear for you losing at the game.

[oblique pewter]

LEL continue to slay some naked and run when u see a geared team like a real Men Best player in world 😉 #Prankex

[graceful beacon]

the two types of dark and darker players

[hushed arrow]

I will continue to slay everything I see. Crybabies like you. Chads. People who play the game how they see fit. What I will never do, is write on this discord moaning about how other people play a videogame 🙂

[atomic yacht]

take me daddy~

[graceful beacon]

what

[atomic yacht]

hes so dominant~~~

[graceful beacon]

I hate this chat

[atomic yacht]

cry about it

[graceful beacon]

no

[atomic yacht]

licks ur eyeball

[elfin aspen]

p-pwease?

[calm dove]

That's what I'm saying. No one likes HR because the risk doesn't compensate the reward. That's why I said you shouldn't be ashamed to admit it. Like why risk your best gear set in HR against multiple teams on the same level with worse pve. Just higher odds you die. Normals on the other hand you might just have 1 other team on your level and pve is less annoying. So it makes since why everyone is in normal dung. I think HR should have some core game play changes like the darkness doesn't move in stages. Instead it will be delayed but once it starts moving it won't stop until total closure. You will the the circle indication getting smaller as it creeps though. Also moves slower. Why this change? It will give teams more time to fight each other and bosses. At the same time allowing lower geared players to reamin on outskirts trying to farm gear.

[graceful beacon]

what if they refunded the cost if you escape

[hushed arrow]

100% agree.

[calm dove]

I mean that would be cool as well but inside the dung is a problem with pve being harder no one has time to do anything and ppl just die to darkness due to poor positioning ....not fun.

[atomic yacht]

kiss boys instead of playing DaD

[graceful beacon]

I see

[calm dove]

Idk I just think HR should feel completely dif. Not just harder pve make more unique. Shit not circle at all would be interesting and instead of darkness coming for you. Mobs could start roaming and breaking doors. Eventually turning into a hoard and hunting players down. Only the strong survive to reach portals.

[hushed arrow]

HR should not be a thing. Have a gamemode for new players. Green only. And then have the rest play normals. With HR gear down in hell.

[calm dove]

Yeah I would be down for that as well I just don't see the devs getting rid of it. Just like how they prob won't split the matchmaking for players who hate trade system.

[wintry wolf]

if the loot pool in regular is going to be so low you should make it so more valuable trinkets drop so that players can get gold and buy the gear off people who run High Roller. Currently i barely make any money in high roller because no one can afford to buy anything

[calm dove]

Yep would be nice. Hopefully the devs have a plan and are just testing the new stat rolls on items. I'm taking a breaking until the real wipe hits. At least then no one will be able to trade or HR for a few hours lol.

[obsidian ruin]

Newbie mode, then stack the other maps ontop of each other. 1) Newbie mode 2) GC->HR GC->Hell. 3) CR-> HR CR-> Hell 4) Ruins-> GC or CR -> HR->Hell

[abstract swallow]

full-dungeon runs would be way longer if they scrapped HR and increased the length of dungeons, but it's a valid solution especially if solo/duos/trios all got matchmade into the same lower floors together

[high canyon]

Bring back the gear cap holy

[small furnace]

Wdym increase the length of dungeons? I'm guessing you mean the solution where people can choose to extend their dungeon run like the example people give of ruins -> crypt -> inferno

[abstract swallow]

just throwing my hat into the discussion of 'just stuff HR into LR and call it a day'

[dim jetty]

yeah ok talk all the crap you want bro but alienating players isn't the way to go

[small furnace]

I wouldn't mind that, I've been saying they should make leaderboards a different mode than HR.

So if they made it so HR was just another level of normals like past inferno (or something) and leaderboards was a separate ranked mode. I think that'd make everyone happy. Would also solve the current loot problem with so many people losing motivation to play cause they don't play HR and LR loot is bad. This way LR players would just have to progress far enough to get the good loot.

[dim jetty]

horrible patch, absolutely horrible patch, just gonna stop playing

[long blade]

Yeah it's really terrible

[outer lotus]

Completely agree. Loot is soooo bad rn

[limber fiber]

add double spell cleric and warlock

[timid rose]

Previous increased loot drops and gear cap were great changes, why not keeping it ?

[granite plinth]

Current patch is garbage and has caused the player count (28k wipe day) and today no shock less than 15k. The loot changes, awful. the lack of auction house, shameful. If you guys want to kill your game keep these updates coming!

[neat cloud]

We need a seperation to gear man... I shouldn't be getting rolled every single dungeon by people wearing purple gear. this is ridiculous.

[sharp peak]

Make Hidden Pockets perk for Rogue also make the sounds for using items in utilities queiter, ex: Drinking a potion sounds is significantly reduced.

[foggy sparrow]

Also the crouch perk should allow you open doors, chests quieter

[median mural]

Nerf all physical ranged damage even more than what was done. ESPECIALLY WINDLASS CROSSBOW. How is a 61 damage purple windlass even a thing? It literally 1 shots if hit in the head with 0 other gear

[pine comet]

You can't move and it takes like 6 seconds to reload, if you're somehow getting headshot by that you are not trying to even dodge it

[sharp peak]

That would be great, Buff perks that aren't being used. I would like to see the data of which perks are not being used.

[median mural]

Having a long reload time doesn't justify insane damage. That would be like saying, "let's give x class an ability that can 1 shot at range, but they need to stay still for 10 seconds after using it!"

Having a long cooldown doesn't give meaning to insane damage in pvp. It just doesn't work

[pine comet]

I mean you can say that but theirs a reason why barely anyone uses the windlass

[median mural]

Also, it's not "oh you're bad for getting headshot by it" Dude can be across the room, making literally 0 sound and just pop you. OR golly gee, they can be good / get lucky as well. "Just dodge it" is a bad response, because it's like saying to the other person "Just hit them"

[pine comet]

Still kind of your fault if you're revealing your position and just standing still while having not noticed any sound or movement from the person lugging the windlass

[median mural]

No, I'm saying that COULD happen. I happen to get headshot while TRYING to dodge it in this instance. It still should not have that amount of damage. Even if he hit a body shot, I wouldn't be able to counter that damage.

[wet dock]

take away goblin's run away behaviour, thank you

[pine comet]

true, why are you trying to engage the 50 cal if you aren't able to take the damage

[granite plinth]

If we remove all classes then we solve all problems no?

[median mural]

Dude, why do you keep coming up with these weird scenarios to justify this damage? I wasn't trying to engage them at all in this instance either. I was trying to escape and the circle forces you to be close to other people. Should I just play rogue and sneak around and do nothing all game? Cause in your opinion, you're bad if you do anything at all.

This is the same reason why they nerfed rogue and how terrible it was beforehand. There is no "get gud" response to massive amount of incoming damage that is extremely hard to counter.

Wizard with purple spellbook ONLY. Should Zap do 80 damage in this situation? NO Was this possible before with max dmg rolls? YES, but it shouldn't be a thing regardless. 1 shot type dmg shouldn't be a thing AT ALL. Much less on a ranged weapon

There should be plays and counter plays. If you want to bring in these excuses, then give every class a 1 shot ability from range and be done with it.

[pine comet]

I mean the windlass does have a counter play, I don't know why you're comparing a single shot 6 second reload stand still weapon to an 80 damage magic ranged hit scan attack that can be spammed 4 times in a row

[median mural]

If you think 61 dmg windlass is ok, then do this with a single purple item and 0 other gear
Give bards 61 damage drums
Give barbarians 61 damage francescas
Give Rogues 61 damage knives
Give Wizards 61 dmg fireballs
Give Clerics 61 dmg holy strikes
Give Warlocks 61 dmg curse of pain

[pine comet]

Last I checked, all of these things you just listed can be spammed

[median mural]

because zap has counterplay too. It can only be used 4 times then it needs a very long recharge. It'S bAlAnCeD bRo!

[pine comet]

Uh huh, you've clearly never played wizard, zap is a level 1 spell causing it to recharge immediately if you drink clarities or meditate

[median mural]

and everything but fireballs requires you to be in much closer range than a windlass

[pine comet]

Yea because they can be spammed while windlass can't I don't know why you're comparing every projectile in the game to the windlass when none of them barely share any common traits with it

[neat cloud]

We need a seperation to gear man... I shouldn't be getting rolled every single dungeon by people wearing purple gear. this is ridiculous.

[median mural]

dude, I'm not comparing them. You don't want the windlass nerfed for whatever freaking reason. So, I'm just saying give every class that damage in some form. I don't care how in the example. It was just an example. Cooldown doesn't give meaning to 1 tap damage

[pine comet]

I have given several reasons on why I don't want windlass nerfed

[median mural]

You're only reason was "get gud" and "it has a cooldown"

[dim jetty]

bring back item caps

[pine comet]

I guess thats what you heard, what I said is that you can dodge it and when reloading it takes like 6 seconds and you cannot move while reloading, also you can block it if you do have a shield

[median mural]

Windlass, needs a huge nerf. Ranged physical items need a nerf in general across the board. The bow nerf was a good start. It's not healthy for the game in general to allow this damage unless they also give the ability to reduce damage drastically to other classes that don't have access to plate or in your response, a shield

[median mural]

maybe this would be fine if the game literally forced you to immediately reload after shooting.

You don't have to reload. You can back off to reengage or bring out your other weapons to fight in melee or swap weapons to shoot a regular bow if you want

[pine comet]

Then nobody would use it, if windlass did get heavily nerfed its just going to become a crappier crossbow

[median mural]

good. It shouldn't exist. Get rid of windlass and just leave in crossbow

Just like how rogue 1 shot from stealth shouldn't exist. It's bad for the health of the game

[pine comet]

Awesome, gotta love suggestions that just say delete content from a game because they don't like it

You are the first person I've ever seen complain about windlass and not about any other ranged weapon

[median mural]

Are you serious? have you not read my comments? I've posted multiple times about the game needing an across the board physical ranged damage nerf

[pine comet]

And so has everyone else, yet you seem especially angry at windlasses

[median mural]

It's not because i don't like it. It's because it's not healthy and it's not "content" lol. Here, I play warlock as a main. Lets add "content" to the game and add a skill to make Blow of Corruption do 50 damage base. It's easy to counter, has a cooldown, requires melee and only lasts 8 seconds when you use it.

[pine comet]

I still do not see why you keep comparing things to windlass that barely have any similarties

[median mural]

I'm angry at it because yes, it literally 1 shot me and I lost my gear and there was 0 counterplay I could do against it. That doesn't mean the issue is invalid. 1 shot type damage should not exist, regardless of how it happens

[pine comet]

Then the entire concept of barb also shouldn't exist I guess

[median mural]

Barbs can't 1 shot, and they are slow, rely on rage which is very easy to hear coming and respond too, and they need to be in melee. If you're talking about francesca spam, then my response to that is it's much easier to deal with francescas than dealing with xbow or windlass

[pine comet]

Barbs can one shot if they're in purple and you aren't, and you're complaining about a purple windlass

[median mural]

and again you didn't read anything.

1. I was geared myself
2. This guy literally had grey/white gear in everything except the purple windlass
3. I'm not talking about a gear difference. I'm talking simply of the amount of damage on the windlass. Period, that's it. I'm not talking about modifying a 40 damage windlass to 60 with insane gear

Windlass damage in this situation reminded me 100% of rogue damage pre-nerf, where dungeons were spammed with naked rogues and a purple dagger

[pine comet]

I wonder how I can read stuff that you didn't even type...

[median mural]

you must be blind then.
good to know. Not sure how you're typing. Maybe talk to type stuff?

[pine comet]

Reply to the message where you said you were geared and the guy was in grey and white

[median mural]

Here is part of it, in a game atm so gimme a few for the other

[neat cloud]

We need a seperation to gear in dungeons man... I shouldn't be getting rolled every single dungeon by people wearing purple gear. this is ridiculous.

[median mural]

Not really a seperation of gear, but the difference between lvl 1-14 and 15-20 was a good thing. Just evolve it to be a difference between trade enabled vs those that aren't part of the trade guild

[median mural]

Here is the 2nd post where i said i had gear

[median mural]

There, both posts that covered it. Leave it alone now and read better.

[neat cloud]

agreed, that was nice for sure.. I'm just so tired of not being able to get out of any dungeon because I get stomped by everyone, and everyone seems to have purples while I have greys

[neat lava]

Crazy idea: they make a lobby where you can only enter with your starter kit. Timmy lobbies might actually add some sense of balance to the game because everyone starts stock and can ramp up their match by getting lucky drops in dungeon.

Let’s new people actually learn the game

[soft apex]

I think experienced players would play this mode a lot, so it may not be ideal for new players as stated. At the very least it makes the mechanical playing field even, which is better than nothing.

Oh actually, perhaps even better... What if gearless lobbies were available just once when your character has died, if you don't touch your stash the next thing you queue for is gearless. New players might get some whiplash bouncing between easier and harder lobbies, but giving them a good chance at a 50% winrate might be nice.

Also for those of us who are just garbage at the game, but not new! 😛

[modern night]

Nah just add a Lvl 1-5 only lobby and limit it to greens. Players are forced to learn the game for a few levels before getting access to better gear.

[fast lily]

Frankly I'd play this more than geared lobbies. It'd be so much fun to just have a vanilla kit lobby.

It's okay if vet players outskill new players in the lobby. It'd still be a lot closer than vets with gear and a 0 gold noob fighting and it's a place where new players are able to learn on a level playing field.

[neat hearth]

https://youtu.be/Hwaq2qtGq1w?si=vsSYCFHN7jKNabqB
10/10 take

Rangers and rogues do need a damage boost

The thing with this patch is it now takes hours and hours to be good at the game again. People who were already good at surviving are doing fine. If you were carried by gear early on prior to this though, then you're having a bad time right now, but it will get better.

[dry glacier]

Give the merchants a service to upgrade gear, price scaling with rarity and a way to break down gear with useless mods to craft new ones

[calm dove]

what you really mean is you just want a matchmaking with zero trading. Solves all problems

[past oyster]

So u want a battle royale

[median mural]

i like this idea +1

[calm dove]

Everyone start teaming in ruins. Casuals vs Juicers.

[dreamy dust]

It'd be nice to be able to right click > empty coin purses instead of having to alt-drag 10g at a time. Or just make it so you can alt-drag up to 50 at once.

[supple hill]

When is something going to be done about daggers? They are kind of trash right now

[urban apex]

since i keep getting my message blocked for saying it any other way, a certain large asian country needs to have the ability to join other servers than their own blocked

[runic musk]

what gc is supposed to be

[runic musk]

you can drag it all into an empty bag

[dreamy dust]

Oh wow I never tried alt-dragging into an empty bag. That helps, thanks.

[runic musk]

yw, they really need somewhere mechanics are clarified

[frigid merlin]

Day 2 remove rougue from the game

[vernal hedge]

why?

[indigo egret]

Cuz they play with no sound and don't realize they have been stabbed 18 times by a default Rouge and thinks they are op

[vernal hedge]

sees rogue proceeds to hold mouse1 with his slow 2hander and wonders why he dies

[idle dome]

can you please remove the density of the gobling HR map in Normals, some areas are so jam packed with ads its almost impossible for a casual default player to get out of.

[main perch]

hr maps should be lowered on both modes

[wraith kindle]

Ive been saying this for WIPES. The density is so AIDS. It ruins PVP. Its brain numbing slow PVE with jank and extreme aggro patterns. I think they shadow buffed PVE this patch as well, being hunted by a goblin 3 rooms away makes no sense

[opal dome]

what do i do when 2 wizards are teaming wiht 2 rogues in duos all fully kitted

[vernal hedge]

I think pve is mostly the same, what I have noticed a difference in and have heard a few other people coment was how it seems theres a lot more elite/nightmare versions

[late thicket]

be a ranger

[ripe turtle]

What kind of monsters would you guys want to face in a world of Dark and Darker?

[hot hemlock]

Ya motha

[vernal hedge]

Right now we have goblins, undead and demonkin.
Maybe some nature inspired enemies? Like some elf’s,ents etc.
next map is gonna be a ice cave from the looks so idk what we could see in a frost caves, maybe ice elementals, a bear, kobolds?

[ripe turtle]

Frost giants? Ice spiders? I'm open to suggestions. Maybe an ice dragon? I just got excited even thinking about the potentials.

[hot hemlock]

We alr have a peek at nature inspired enemies with rhe rock golem

[vernal hedge]

Spiders and giants yah, was going more for whole new enemy types.
Unless you mean them big ass ice spiders monkaW

Dragon yes, could maybe add new undead type like he draughr in Skyrim so it’s not always the same skeletons

[ripe turtle]

Yes, different skeleton variants suited for different areas, not just naked skeletons with a weapon! And yes, definitely even bigger spiders than we have right now.

[sinful flare]

They need to add a witch mini boss

[ripe turtle]

True. And Ironmace need to buff skeleton mages too! Just two spells for that enemy is a bit underwhelming. How about invisibility spell and the skeleton mage can cast fireballs while invisible? 😉

[vernal hedge]

That’s aswell, give us different mages, not just the same old protection and fireball guy, surely an undead mage would know more than that

[sinful flare]

I thought the witch could cast invisibility on mobs

[vernal hedge]

Could give us different elemental mage skeletons and maybe a rare mini boss version that can cast all spells

[ripe turtle]

Maybe this witch could cast curses/debuffs that would last the whole dungeon run?

[vernal hedge]

Mage skeletons have nothing going for them really while the skeleton champion has gold key

[halcyon ocean]

We need vampires to fight

[ripe turtle]

Yes. Right now, goblin and skeleton mages are way too boring and easy to kill and without any good loot. I'd say they need more spells!

[vernal hedge]

A vampire catacomb could be an interesting level2 for ruins if they decide to make different experiences of ruins and crypts

[halcyon ocean]

It’s fit with all these other undead creatures. We could also use some ents or were creatures. I’m pretty sure they have an ogre and dragon in the works

I wouldn’t mind seeing lizard folk too

[ripe turtle]

Silver coins will be put to good use! wink

[halcyon ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[ripe turtle]

silver arrows, silver swords, daggers, battle axes, warmauls etc

[vernal hedge]

Yep dragons I’m pretty sure it’s just a matter of time, think there already art with them and it’s a no brain on a game that takes inspiration from dungeons and dragons but I can’t wait to see it, likely gonna be a boss fight.

Ents, elfs etc will be good but probably not for a long time has id like it in a map that fits, im thinking maybe a ran down elf outpost or a corrupted ancient forest since we already have 1 out map

[halcyon ocean]

Werebear and werewolf mini bosses in elf area sagenod

Or an owlbear

[ripe turtle]

I'm confident players have to work together to defeat the dragon and it's gonna be more than just swinging, shooting and spellcasting. Like in Skyrim, you cannot do much against dragons if they're just flying around, you need to bring them down somehow.

[vernal hedge]

Cleanse the forest we must

[halcyon ocean]

Wonder what kind of dragon

[vernal hedge]

Yah I’d hope something like this too, something bigger than normal, it’s a dragon after all, my idea would be the whole point of that dungeon fight would be to reach the dragons lair and fight, maybe a 5’s dungeon?

[halcyon ocean]

That would be a raid xD that be dope

[ripe turtle]

Hmm, I'd say 6 players and maybe this dungeon battle is not about killing the dragon, but to hurt it so it can fly away and the players can get their hands on the loot.

[vernal hedge]

Basically, mayb have it locked behind a key or scroll you have to obtain from bossing or buying from other players

[vernal hedge]

That’s a cool idea, we always end up killing the dragon in games but no reason such a smart ancient creature would battle to the death instead of living to see another day

[halcyon ocean]

Depends on what kind of dragon

[ripe turtle]

It's just no brainer to just allow players to kill these majestic creatures with one encounter. It's just boring for my taste.

[vernal hedge]

Maybe there could even be different win conditions that can make you eligible to different rewards.
Think about monster hunter where you’d damage/break off different parts like the tails to receive more materials
Or some specific rare ones you could only get if you broke specific parts or captured the creature alive instead of killing it

[ripe turtle]

Or you could cut their tails off for that special weapon? 😉

[vernal hedge]

They realistically have the opportunity to release some sick and very unique dungeon, the only concern really being playercount and accessibility of the content

[ripe turtle]

As soon as Ironmace wins the court battle, they can finally open their minds to all kinds of possibilities. I really don't mind, I want them to go full crazy on ideas and let us test those ideas, let it be funny, stupid or broken!

[vernal hedge]

It’s just a matter of now seeing how long that will drag for, afaik there hasn’t been any recent news in that front right?

[halcyon ocean]

I’d love to see them do some other game modes too. Maybe a dungeon clear mode. Where you gotta clear rooms to progress and no swarm

[ripe turtle]

Nothing yet. I bet the only way we know more is from Korean media, Ironmace and/or youtubers like Onepeg who has close ties to Ironmace developers.

[idle dome]

they also shadow nerfed some stuff on classes such as wiz im sure of it

[vernal hedge]

probably not so much as a shadow nerf but this "Fixed an issue where more additional damage than intended was being applied when calculating magic damage."

[cloud storm]

They should make it so you can use utility items while resting

[wraith kindle]

Dragons? How about better loot pools first lmao

[idle dome]

did you notice any spell casting issues /

[vernal hedge]

Haven’t played much spellcaster this wipe, only cleric but felt no issues.
What have you experienced?

[meager jasper]

What the actual hell. Organic team play is part of dark and darker. The issue was premeditated teaming.

[undone pelican]

If you guys are going to ban people that team, you should make some system in game that tells players that teaming is bannable. Not everyone pays attention to discord and will know that this rule is in place.

Even if it's just a pop up or something.

[idle dome]

spell casting getting cancelled randomly, sometimes restarting, and getting cancelled when getting attacked i checked twice if rogue had silence but it happened with other classes too

[night current]

if you want people to pvp more or as much as pve make less portals

banning accounts for being cooperative seems like you are taking the element of free decision making away from the character being played

[granite plinth]

deliver some patch already, game is dying ffs...

[vernal hedge]

I think that may be server issues mostly, not with spells but have had chests and other animations reach 100% and they keep closed/don't use, have even had thrwing knifes appear to be throwed but still have them

[eager ridge]

bro @dawn grotto add more content the game is actually just boring now

[vernal hedge]

that's literally what november wipe will be

[heady compass]

Well rip dnd. Was good while it lasted

[hollow sable]

Hello, im fairly new to dnd and i dont quite get the announcement bc i havent played that much. Seems like a treaty or truce between two random groups is a common thing to happen with VoiP is it not?

Can someone please elaborate?

Like if im.playing alone and i find a group and say hey "can you guys help me" and i team up why would that be an offense???

Also whats this about crouching ban? Is there some kind of exploit going on? As a rogue i crouch in bushes when i turn off torches to avoid people ._.

[golden heron]

Wouldn't it be better to adjust the amount of exit portals to further incentive selfish tactics than to outright ban people for doing social plays in a game with voip??

Currently goblin caves has enough ways to exit that everyone that spawns in could just rotate them all and get out safely, which is absolutely enabling people to just either ignore each other or actively work together; there's no incentive ingame on that map to fight other than greed

If I'm doing an alliance with someone with the explicit intent to betray them, how am I supposed to know that I won't get banned for an out of context clip? Do I have to record my entire sessions now to defend myself from that?

[indigo egret]

This is honestly the worst decision they have ever made. Like I get why they made it because seening full lobbies In HR teaming is very annoying but this is not the way to fix that problem, and that is the only "problem" here, randoms teaming with each other no matter the map/game mode should not be a negative thing this change is incredibly unhealthy for the game.

[golden heron]

I genuinely hope this is the temporary bandaid while they come up with a real solution that won't be abused, but they shouldn't have done this at all

[white cliff]

The real solution is just removing caves all together. They should have incentived playing 3’s by creating a queue for non premades only, the fact that they’re now balancing around three maps where different classes are strongest, and getting complaints on all fronts is a huge issue.

[hoary notch]

can we get the flag reactions removed so we can get actual reactions that can show the community's thoughts about patch notes and announcements? It gets pretty tedious seeing people flag spam under every post. 🗣️

[ancient ferry]

thoughts on making the static portals open when the zone goes through them? kinda ass that they open randomly. the whole point of them being added was to be strategic exits but if u never know when they are gonna open how can you be strategic about it. its more like dumb luck it opens when you need it.

[indigo egret]

Suggestion: remove voip as it no longer serves a purpose.

[jolly ledge]

just turn voice chat off, voip can still be used to let someone know your neutral and not wanting to fight or some trash talking

[indigo egret]

Nah but what if someone else see/hears me do that I can be banned now

[hoary notch]

I will still team and pickpocket them without breaking any rules

so long as I do not kill anybody

[jolly ledge]

are you dumb, in the announcement it says your allowed to ignore each other just dont help eachother kill other players

[wise oriole]

Snitches get teamed on

[hallow cargo]

Literally thank you so much for making teaming bannable, I can actually play goblin dungeons again!

[indigo egret]

So let's say I'm running from aggro mcaggressive and runinto another player I say to him that I am nice but other guy isn't and he then kills other guy and not me. That could be considered teami g as I led Mcagressive to this player and he help me live by killing him.

[jolly ledge]

I mean if you guys didnt gang up on him no it isnt, still would be 1v1

[weak jungle]

Not a fan of it being banned to make temporary allies ( to later betray or otherwise). You are literally killing the essence of a desperate setting requiring unlikely alliances

[vernal hedge]

yep, goblin caves was the worst thing that happaned to this game.

1. Made balancing a nightmare, balanced is(or should be around trios)hard enough for trios only but they had to balance accounting solos now
2. Killed off a massive social aspect of the game and gathering halls
3. Became a noob trap making the game appeal to people it wouldn't have before whcih creates an harder path forward development wise has to not allienate this new community

[jolly ledge]

you were just a bystander like irl

[hoary notch]

It definitely will be helpful but I don't think it should be a permanently bannable offense tbh. A few days maybe, but take the whole game away cause the peasants gang up on a rubysilver juicer going around normal goblin caves slaughtering timmies? Cringe

[bright ore]

Worst announcement since gear cap.

[indigo egret]

Who's gets to decide if we did or didn't. The guy that dies might think so.

[jolly ledge]

Well im sure devs will know the difference if I can

[jolly ledge]

if they check combat log, they would see you didnt hit or do damage to the guy claiming you helped kill by teaming

[indigo egret]

Another senerio then let's say I am stopping around the map killing everyone and I run into a cleric who want to be nice and heals me an then I go on to kill another player in the room that's not him is that teaming. Beyond that one heal he doesn't help at all

[jolly ledge]

hes not allowed to heal you as far as ik

[indigo egret]

And that is a problem. I am usually super friendly as a cleric because I find it fun to try and be nice to everyone and help but now I can be banned for it even if I don't contribute to a fight at all I could heal someone and be banned because I had no idea they just got out of a fight

[nimble stag]

Going to have to take purples out of norms again if we can't team on the guys who go into norms with full purples and golds that literally spawn rush and kill the entire lobby

[golden heron]

Genuinely trying to figure out what the incentive is to PVP in goblin cave

[small furnace]

God what an awful change. Am I gonna get in trouble because I decided to third party someone and it looked like I was teaming in that moment?

[nimble stag]

Pvp is enough of an incentive on its own for a lot of players

[hallow cargo]

No third party is ok, sharing the loot and running around with the other person who helped you in that fight after is not ok and should be banned

[bright ore]

I’m just glad I can keep queueing GC in purps without fear of people teaming up on me now. It was a nightmare going in there then having people gang up to kill me.

[small furnace]

Still kind of an L change tbh.

The chinese teamers in HR were a problem but organic teaming in GC was never really a problem. Just strip away every freedom the game has, whatever I'm not really playing this patch anyway as it's an awful patch.

[nimble stag]

Shouldn't be in norm GC with purps.... if not in norms then

[golden heron]

but there's no mechanical incentive to do any pvp, it used to be that there were only enough portals for half the lobby to get out, plus the chance of stairs being in play; now everyone can get out without even seeing another player

[hallow cargo]

I literally couldn’t play high roll because I got teamed up on multiple times, and even in normals it still shouldn’t be a thing. Just play the game, just fight to get out. If you are having to rely on other people to consistently get out, that’s just bad

[nimble stag]

Killing other players is fun for people.... some people aren't having fun unless they caused someone else to have a bad day... it's shitty but it is what it is

[indigo egret]

But who is gonna stop him now. The only thing he had to worry about were people teaming to kill him not he can just murder lobbies all day without fear.

[small furnace]

It's not about 'having to rely on people' it's about having those kinds of fun and unique experiences where sometimes it isn't about just killing every person you see.

They just killed that ever happening again. Kills some of the magic for me. L change.

[nimble stag]

My point exactly

[hallow cargo]

Again you can actively choose to attack the same target, you cannot then team up together and split the loot. You either fight each other after or you’re teaming and get banned

[nimble stag]

If you use voip to team up against then you get banned

[hallow cargo]

You don’t need voip to clearly see who the biggest target it, you are still allowed to shoot the same target you just cannot then be buddy buddy and split loot and go around killing others together intentionally

[indigo egret]

So the guy who has 10 hp left now HAS to fight another person or be banned....really good design there

[golden heron]

I don't even disagree with punishing people who do things like take over entire lobbies, and I only ever agree to not fight someone, but if I get banned because I third partied a fight to set up a betrayal later I'm going to be very upset

[nimble stag]

A lobster can kill 2-3 teams at once depending on the rest of the comp they are in without the whole lobby working together lobsters wreck lobbies

[small furnace]

It's a great change, paired with the new loot changes that ensure only people who play HR can get loot.

Then when they come over to GC they should be able to win every time, no teaming against them!

[hallow cargo]

So avoid them then and get out and go to the next game, get gear and come back. You’re acting like people can’t do that and especially at the beginning of a start no one is. A lobster

[bright ore]

Says who?

[golden heron]

the one bap warlock in question

[hallow cargo]

Or they can run away, that’s literally what a free for all is. If you’re only way to gather loot in the game is by gaining an insane advantage by literally 2v1 people you should just quit

[indigo egret]

So the lobster gets to play the game with zero fear of death while killing the whole lobby. So fun for everyone else.

[indigo egret]

But if you help fight and then run and the other person doesn't chase you down yall are teaming to kill people by the devs definition

[hallow cargo]

Huh? You’re acting like that person never had to gear up? And if you get out, which is easily possible and gear up which even if youre bad take a day of grinding you can easily have equal gear to this person. If you’re a perma noob and can’t ever get out of the dungeon to build a set youre actually just bad

[nimble stag]

I saw like 3 different lobsters day 1 of wipe and lobsters in normals just don't make sense with the new loot changes all they do is spawn rush and kill Timmy's fat chance making it out when your getting spawn rushed

[hallow cargo]

No if you win a fight and split ways or only one o f you gets the loot that’s fine, it’s the people who team get a kill split loot drop shit for each other go to next kill them share loot and keep going

[golden heron]

so from what I understand is that dark and darker is going in a direction that punishes rats but makes it so rats have the means to exist via ease of extract

[indigo egret]

That's your definition of it but not the devs definition in the announcement. You can't just add extra things and say that's how it works unless otherwise stated.

[hallow cargo]

I goblin cave all day and see a lobster maybe 1/10 games, again if you’re naked you need to play careful and get extract to build a set don’t fight, get you’re gear together, then when you’re looted consider fighting lobsters

[golden heron]

extracting is the easiest its ever been so why punish people for doing rat plays

[hallow cargo]

Moderators have been explaining it in general chat if you go look or ask.

[indigo egret]

Way to miss the point entirely.

[hallow cargo]

Bro if you are literally crying about not being able to team in a solo game you’re actually just cringe

[nimble stag]

You can't escape buff ball man unless your a rogue and most of the super geared are buff ball

[golden heron]

there's a very easy solution that gives everyone what they want; reduce the portal spawns

[hoary notch]

🗣️ban timmies for ganging up on rubysilver juicers rolling lobbies. also by the way will I get banned for ratting kills from the sidelines? We love it 🗣️

[hallow cargo]

Buff ball? It’s solo goblins

[indigo egret]

Bro if you are literally crying about dieing in an extraction type game by people playing a different way that you. You are actually just cringe.

[hallow cargo]

No you’re just dog shit if you need an extra person to get out of Grey gear

[golden heron]

I love elitism, mmm

[nimble stag]

Where did it say teaming was only a bannable offense in goblin caves?

[hallow cargo]

Lol if their is teaming going on in the crypts that is beyond wild and something I have not even seen yet

[indigo egret]

But the person going out of there way to murder said Grey gear people aren't of course. Just the people who try fighting against them are. Nice classism you got there.

[spark elk]

play on the non North America Servers or on oregon during peak asia hours

[opal dock]

Ive seen it a couple times while I was chasing a team down lmao

[nimble stag]

Chinese teamers in crypts is really what this ban is about I believe

[hallow cargo]

Yikes well I’m sorry that’s just sad getting teamed up on by 6 people holy cow

[golden heron]

I haven't seen teaming in crypts but I have seen very chaotic mixups

[opal dock]

Its okay, they still all died 😄 it was just more for the slaughter

[small furnace]

Yeah actually, last patch I was rolling tons of geared people in crypts lobbies and intentionally going out of my way to give all the loot from geared players we get to the nakeds in lobby. It was extremely fun how appreciative those naked were for getting such loot.

Under new rules this can't happen anymore, now I have to run down every timmy I see in crypts because IM says so. Can't give the loot away, that's for sure. That would be considered 'teaming'.

L change, IM removing freedoms of normal players because of the china HR teaming problem that goes on.

[indigo egret]

Yes it is the problem is the over broad announcement and the fact that the majority of players aren't I. This discord and could be banned for ignorance.

[hallow cargo]

Dude you literally can make it out of dungeons naked like 3-4 times and buy a set of gear it’s not hard .sure you might die 3-4 times but getting out naked is not hard if you avoid people and listen for footsteps

[golden heron]

I do have to say that extracting is the easiest its ever been in this game right now, which is a problem

[nimble stag]

I seen a whole lobby team up on a buff ball comp once and it was glorious

[indigo egret]

Way to make my point if you are new or have no gear you have to bend down to the more geared overlords who want to kill you for no reason. I'm done with arguing to a brick wall who doesn't understand reality

[golden heron]

I imagine part of the reason why souped up players go into GC is because they know they have an easy extract, making the fact there's less overall loot worth the zero risk

[opal dock]

That is how games in this genre work. You see gear and dont have gear? Dont fight.

[nimble stag]

L take on this one the reason is to stay alive... it's a PvEvP game if your out geared you should run and hide

[frozen osprey]

Roll back teaming decision. Such a waste of good wholesome fun. Not everyone wants to be a murder-hobo

[indigo egret]

True that SHOULD be an option just like the OPTION to team with other random people SHOULD be an option. Limiting players actions in this type of game is not the way to go.

[nimble stag]

There you go

[golden heron]

tools not rules is generally the mindset that should be had for pvpve

[hallow cargo]

Umm yeah for like one day, you are acting like it takes week to get a set of gear it takes one afternoon

[indigo egret]

Even capitalizing my words didn't work for you eh.

[nimble stag]

I was agreeing with you...

[indigo egret]

My point is that teaming with RANDOM FOUND IN GAME players should be allowed even if that means killing other players.

[nimble stag]

Mine too

[indigo egret]

Very well then I would like to apologize for my rude attitude toward you.

[nimble stag]

Thanks I guess wasn't taking it that seriously man at the end of the day is all just a game

[leaden crescent]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/505065/max-hp-reduction-by-taking-damage-from-another-player

[short heath]

Read their message again. Avoiding them is okay, actively fighting alongside them is not. You are not forced into fighting everyone, and dropping random loot for a naked person to pick up is surely not physically fighting alongside them.

[manic mesa]

I feel like this should only apply to goblin caves tho

[abstract swallow]

this is 100% them trying to crowd-source gold farmer reports, but it's just delivered in a very out of touch way while trying to appease the whiny parts of the community

[small furnace]

It's too unclear as to who is going to get banned for what though.

Besides this change is obviously targeted at the chinese HR players, should instead just work on detection to stop those morons instead of hurting the entire playerbase.

[paper abyss]

What does it matter if someone records you doing that, it's going to be considered teaming.

[frozen osprey]

Region lock SEA and solve all the problems then we can go back to organically teaming up and enjoying the game without abusers

[unreal sinew]

All weapons at trash/junk value that your class can equip should be available to choose from without having to spend gold at the merchants. It would give a lot more play styles available to newcomers so when they don’t extract they can have something to change about how they are able to play rather than just picking a different class. It would be nice for say a wizard to be able to pick from a trash value crystal ball, crystal sword, magic staff, or spell book. There shouldn’t be much of a difference in power, considering it’s all trash tier, and blue BIS and above is what people really care about. Again, I believe it would give new and bad players more morale to give them more options with their play styles, given how demoralizing early level gameplay is

[short heath]

And you can argue against IM during an appeal saying that you never actually helped them in a fight vs other players, so clearly based on their given information you've done nothing wrong.

[paper abyss]

Some of my best moments in D&D were playing friendly and backstabbing fools, definitely my favorite content of all time in this game, and now if I were to attempt to 'share a campfire' I'd be potentially banned lmfao

[small furnace]

It's definitely rough, if I see ungeared players fighting a geared team, and I third party them to kill the geared team. Am I think forced to kill the timmies or it counts as teaming and I am banned?

There's way too many circumstances that have the potential to count as teaming. This is a major L change to player's freedoms to play the game in different ways and is gonna kill a lot of the unique experiences we had before.

[paper abyss]

Exactly it leaves way too much up to interpretation and really is going to kill the environment the game had built that made it feel special. The magic voip brought is now mostly lost.

[formal helm]

Suggestion: IM dont threaten ur players with bans for things that dont break EULA

[short heath]

I'll be honest, I never enjoyed the concept of teaming.

[neat reef]

Such a lazy change. IM is incapable of using their brains to discourage something that their game naturally encourages so instead they rob people.

[short heath]

Not a single time have I ever even considered it, and it is generally speaking unhealthy in every game I've ever seen that had teaming as a problem. Hunt included.

[paper abyss]

They could add something like, kill an enemy and your luck goes up in the dungeon, and that alone would not only discourage players from teaming but would reward them for not doing so.

[neat reef]

I rarely team but I think I may request refund on principle

[small furnace]

Even if it weren't just teaming I am fundamentally against rules that limit the way people can play the game in-game.

Anti-teaming, anti-camping, anti-ratting, anti-cheesing. Like imagine if they came out with a rule that says: "You cannot force mobs into a spot where they cannot attack you, if you are caught doing this you will be banned." It's just a really gross system. Instead of fixing the underlying issue (in this case chinese HR pre teamers) they just kill everybody's freedoms.