suggestion-discussion

[obtuse lichen]

Everybody is basically one punch man

You forgot about the smite

[small ibex]

@dawn grotto What is the possibility of player created maps that can be officially accepted and put into the game? I would love to make a map for Dark and Darker.

[mellow axle]

If you put a ton of time and effort into the game it only makes sense that you’ll be stronger. Couple that with good playing technique and you’ll be pretty unbeatable. Those guys are going to be on the top of the leaderboard and you just had the misfortune to run into them

[obtuse lichen]

im glad for you being optimistic but that's not how it works

Current leaderboards system doesn't reflect skill at all
And the previous one as well

[abstract swallow]

these ones are marginally better, in that they're a representation of what's currently happening rather than who did the most nolife farming
but it's still just a measure of 'what is easiest to play and who is playing it to grind the most'

[dry acorn]

It may have been discussed but a reporting option for the trade channel would be fantastic. Even if it secretly does nothing, being made to think that I'm doing something to combat RWT would feel nice.

[urban ibex]

Implement a "kill count bracket" system matchmaking, each player you kill grants 1 point, resets when you die. for 3v3 takes the the avg of each player

[stuck thorn]

Shared stash among your characters, if worried about juiced level ones. Give it a level limit to access.

[mellow axle]

Yeah make that lvl 20 actually matter lol

[restive crypt]

Its about getting sandbagged by people who clearly dont need gear from the goblin caves.

[long blade]

So people that have fun playing the game and pvping should only play how you want them to?

[restive crypt]

They should pvp vs people who actually have gear

nothing wrong with dying to someone who had a chance but theres no chance if its starter gear vs Yellows and purples lol

[long blade]

I really cant care for someone losing their starter gear

[restive crypt]

Again has nothing to do with losing the gear. You cant accumlate gear if you have sweaty players dumping on you ever match

[obtuse lichen]

you can

[long blade]

it doesnt happen every match, people like you in this discord exaggerate greatly

[restive crypt]

since the change every match i have gone into has had 1 or 2 in the match doing

[long blade]

so one person in your game of seven has gear.....

[obtuse lichen]

and?

[restive crypt]

Changed servers it isnt a isolated issue lol

[abstract swallow]

if you're having an issue getting started, why don't you just make some friends to trade and play with?
we're like 4 weeks into the wipe

[obtuse lichen]

goblin caves is a different game anyways

[restive crypt]

goblin caves is supposed to be for getting gear solo lmao

[obtuse lichen]

not true

[restive crypt]

high roller is for the sweaty folks to kill one another lol

[obtuse lichen]

not true

[green vapor]

Ye whats the fun in not fighting people and only fighting starter gears and pve

[long blade]

no. It's for solos

I'm not one of those people that runs with gear every round, but to cry about people that do is just so ridiculous. These people paid for the game and they get to play it how they want to.

[green vapor]

Why would you not always run gear?

[abstract swallow]

the fact that people think this is all the evidence I need that GC needs to be removed
it is not your farming safe space, it's a quickplay mode for hasty 1v1s

[long blade]

I run gear when I'm in trios and I usually play solo in crypts to practice pvp, with either a few pieces or default.

Because I dont blame other people when I am bad, I try to get better.

[restive crypt]

If you have the gear you have the gold to go do high rollers you wanna fight people cool but it isnt about a fair fight if you go into goblin caves regularly its about being to scared to loose your good gear

[obtuse lichen]

everybody has a different goals

[restive crypt]

right the issue is sandbaggers lol

[long blade]

Why would I want to go into high roller? Way more likely to run into super meta comps that you dont have much chance against.

[restive crypt]

to have a fair pvp lol

[restive crypt]

if you wanna sandbag thats fine if youre a coward thats fine too but dont act like its noble lol

[obtuse lichen]

Meta slave gameplay
+10 hours of trading for the best gear
You gonna get shit on rn in HR

[long blade]

how would that be fair, I'm not an amazing player I'm just not a terrible player who only plays in default. Plenty of normal people want to run gear in normal crypts. Idk what your problem is.

[restive crypt]

so the same thing you told me get better practice lol

[long blade]

"noble" lmfao, it's a videogame dog. I just want to have fun.

[restive crypt]

Right and if your fun is sandbagging thats fine lol just dont pretend it isnt what it is

[long blade]

where does it say normal gamemode is for bad players to get loot? I dont see that anywhere.

[obtuse lichen]

I play HR everyday

[restive crypt]

All game modes are to get loot for every player. the high roller is for those who have gotten good gear and the gold to do so lol if you want a real fight thats where the people are going to be who can give it to you

[obtuse lichen]

And it's actually is not the best place to get loot rn because the state of the gear balance rn is terrible you just gonna get smoked by the players that spend 10 hours on trade per day
And HR goblin is just a pure teaming meta

[long blade]

just because you have nothing doesnt mean everybody in normals has no gear lol

plenty of people in normals with more gear than me.

no point in continuing this conversation, you've really fallen into the trap created by this discord where people will blame others instead of trying to get better. gl

[restive crypt]

This is from experience playing nothing to do with discord. im still playing trying to get better lol

[obtuse lichen]

People that have less than 50 hours in game shouldn't be allowed in suggestions

[restive crypt]

ive been playing much longer then 50 hours lol

[naive elk]

Go discuss random shit and personal stuff in the off-chat or general chat.

[dry acorn]

Yeah I'd love us to breath life into the development of the game.. and discuss.. suggestions on improvement, everything is totally subjective, have the cadence to simply respect each others opinions

[storm blade]

alot of people play normals cuz HR is legit full of people just farming/teaming so the pvp just sucks

[vast otter]

I would really like to see some sort of rank based match making like LoL or OW. I think the game is just much more fun when your competitors are at least in your weight class so to speak. It would also give some sense of skill progression and recognition

[storm blade]

so many issue with that go look at any game with rank and tell me you don't see smurfs aka i get a high rank so i die 10 times to lower it and then we good

[stable sky]

Anyone else cant find the game on any server and being pushed out to char select?

[north pewter]

How about adding a simple club weapon usable by all classes

[umbral locust]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503537/unique-legendary-attunement-slot

[normal quarry]

Ideas for fun and lower effort updates: 1) PVE mode against nightmares with max of green drops. 2) No circles more people mode. 3) An event with a special mob skin that occurs 1/n mobs, so we know we'll actually get to participate in the event. 4) Blue shards to buy extra inventory space

[pliant egret]

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[ripe turtle]

Ironmace really need to increase the loot rate of these necklaces and rings. sick of these bimbos selling green items 500g or 1key.

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[echo wharf]

warlock is the most broken class in the game

[open summit]

Nerf Warlock pls

[mellow axle]

Warlock is fine lmao just rush them

[umbral locust]

yeah honestly lol. strafing spells works well too

It's the gear and magical healing.

[echo wharf]

just rush them? you forget how fast they are? the can kite and zone most people. not to mention when you get a hit in they can do one curse of pain and get all their health back. also have to be careful getting close because of BoC

[brave vale]

Suggestion: Reduce Chain Lightning's damage by 20% per bounce.

[wind ridge]

you sound like someone who loves to play ranged classes or you are just a troll because none of this crap is fine and the game is terribly optimized

[raven summit]

Just rush tem

Sometimes people forget how fantomyse is a thing and how fast they are WHILE casting their curses, Sure you do have some time to get to them but you have to tank them to get close just for them to reposition and then have to tank them once more to get close, It would be fine if it was done there but they can always wip out a halbeard or a long sword to finish you off once you are in melee range

[wind ridge]

i think that last thing we need for a game that is this terribly optimized is idea's for events they need to focus on fixing things asap before this game digs a hole into the ground and buries itself

[normal quarry]

And what "fixes" might those be? They've done 18 small fixes so far

[wind ridge]

well i could repost what i said last night but i don't want to you can type my name into the search bar and find it. i don't know if you noticed but this discord used to have every channel jam packed now they are lucky if it gets over 50% full clearly you can see the game is losing interest a lot of it has to do with its terrible optimization.

[normal quarry]

I don't really care enough lol, you can itemize one or two or just talk to the wind. My buds dropped because of gear disparity and getting rolled after, they thought those sounded cool and would get interest back. Anecdotal is all any of us in this chat have. Optimization is a broad umbrella, why not just say fix the "problems", whatever those are

[wind ridge]

well it's fine and dandy that you don't care but if nothing is done quicky this game will remain in a dead hole as they decided to release it as early access and rarely do games released in early access make a come back after digging itself into a hole so if the main problems are not nipped in the butt this game won't be around long.

1. Nerf ranged weapons already 5 out of 8 classes in your game can use crossbows/bow without perks but you just leave 3 classes out to hang high and dry (rogue,cleric,barb) seems really unfair in a fight when you get shot once and lose 50% of your health pool. i did not know i was playing call of duty.
2. Warlock needs a nerf this guy is broken when it comes to fighting almost everyone in the game but takes a crap on all squishy classes even with base gear guy will 2 shot you.
3. Wizards are becoming too busted late game being able to have double memory 10 spells is broken as all hell. Drink up some clarity potions and campfire your life away fix that.
4. Rogue's are in a crap stat as of current they have 16 perks everyone cried when they could equip a hand crossbow and you made him handicapped with needing a perk to carry one this guy has way to many useless perks that need to be combined.
5. i do not know who at iron mace has a hard on for the ranger but nerf this guys damage already guy is still 2 shotting every squishy in the game.
6. Your trade chat is terrible it was better when it was one single channel instead you split it up into a crap show were people have to look into multiple different trade channels to find gear all classes can wear. honestly at this point with all the gold selling and crap you guys might just be better off shutting down trade as all it does is promote bot's/people trading to streamers and buying gear for all these people to become broken in game.
7. Everyone has been asking for more storage for gold and instead you add some tedious alterntive invovling crafting. Just add a bigger bag already that cost more gold how hard can that really be.
8. You are bloating your game up with all this crafting materials and expect us to put it were extactly? if you are going to head down this roadyou need to put in a second stash tab that will only allow you to store crafting materials.

9. Honestly your game has some terrible optimization. i dont know who at iron mace decided to add in bard in a game with the crap optimization you guys have. You guys have nerfed the crap out of this guy and he is still broken. You would think this would tell you something delete this guy already. Instead of adding in someone who is game breaking you guys should be focused on how to make gear in the game less broken by lowering stats on green/blue/purple/orange gear.

[normal quarry]

Sounds like you're on board with something like the blue shards to buy inventory tabs/space... Did anyone enjoy the blue limit on GC? I thought it was too high, but that should take out gear disparity for most if lowered to green. It seems to me after that, it's a matter of strategy with some advantages to other classes in certain scenarios. I've taken down rangers with bard and rogue. I'm terrible with my cleric, but there are some BA's with those as well

[half quarry]

How about we add cancel matchmaking

[normal quarry]

Haha yes, this too

[red vault]

I think clerics need to be nerfed in some areas such as the 2 shot magi dmg build and the heals might be a bit too powerful for the time you have in a match. The buffs are also really strong as well.

[sinful flare]

Rangers should not be able to 1 tap fully geared wizards with 1 headshot.
Barbarians with no movement speed bonus on their kit should not be able to reach 350 movement speed with fists and his movement speed skill.

[sour pewter]

give rogues survival bows!

[visual violet]

REMOVE RNG DOORS

[onyx citrus]

Remove spectating after death/ escape. Revealing other players locations for friends queue sniping should be considered exploiting. Suggestion : add a death cam to to replay killers POV only before death.

[short heath]

Nah. That's still Ranger. A Ranger can onetap Wizards and Warlocks, and undergeared Rogues and Bards at more range than the Warlock has.

[echo wharf]

but wizards can practically 1 tap fully geared fighters

[echo wharf]

rangers dont have infinite heals, also when they are caught they cant just go invincible and run right away. not saying they dont need to be nerfed but warlock is still far worse

[short heath]

They do have self-healing available to them. And, tbh, if you're a Ranger in a 3 stack that ever gets caught in melee range, either your team lost the fight or you're a terrible Ranger.

Ranger is by far the strongest class in the game. Even with damage drop off, they can still onetap multiple classes at ranges those classes can't even come close to dealing damage at.

[echo wharf]

they are limited to three heals if they run that skill. were a warlock can just spawn a hydra and heal off of it. warlock wins the healing game. the only thing a ranger has on the warlock is distance of the damage they can do. i have run down many rangers as a fighter and a barb. warlocks can keep me away by blocking doors with hydras, phatomizing etc.

[woven marsh]

There is a very easy way to address multiple issues with the game. Separate matchmaking pools for people who buy into the Trading Guild, and those who don’t. First, this alleviates a lot of the issues regarding gear limits. Second, it nullifies a good portion of the Chinese gold farmers that are plaguing HRs. Third, it separates, at least to some degree, higher and lower level players without implementing SBMM. Thoughts?

[abstract swallow]

splitting the game's population in half and making half of that population nonexistant for the other half is uh
obviously not good

[naive elk]

• Add a NPC or the function to the Treasurer in his "Services" area to convert our Gold Coin in "GOLD BAR" (Not Ingot), each Gold Bar would be equal to 1000G or 5000g and would stack until 5. Wouldnt be charged any tax to convert the gold, but to turn the gold bar in Gold Coin again would be charged a 5% of the value to help with gold sink in the game.

• Remove the Weapon Damage stats from any gear, keep it only in Weapons and Rings, this way the game will be less focused in stack those stats and reduce the "one-hit-kill" meta we do have currently, giving more space to fights duration and time to reaction.

• Add some personality to our current Rarity System, some ideas I have is to didnt allow to any stats in all any rarity. For example, Weapon Damage +3 should only be possible in legendary, Rare Gear should only be possible have Weapon Damage +1 and Epic Gear +2, we really need to have a disparity in gear power other than the numbers of rolls. This way epic and legendary gear really would be expensive and worth to use/craft.

• Add new craftable gear, theres too many craft material that didnt have any use, being able to craft gear with what you found in the dungeon should help new players and also movement the craft market, aswell giving another option to gear that we can use in our runs.

• Give new functions to Silver Coin, let us exchange for supply like Bandage or Potions. Honestly Silver Coin currently is just "gold that occupies another slot", If you remove them from the game nobody would even feel they're missing, because theres no use or funcion to be used, so please, lets us use the Silver Coin for something.

[visual violet]

can we get some sort of tavern area where you can just test gear/ fix stats to whatever you want so you can visually understand what the stats are doing. like if i found a felling axe with 3 agi how much faster can i actually swing it, no body kn ows

[rugged mango]

I feel like removing the trade channel for gear would solve a lot of problems. You wouldn't be able to just go in and buy +strength stacked gear. And if you wanted it you'd have to go farm it and earn it, I'd be much happier knowing I died to someone who worked for the gear vs buying max stats and rolling normal lobbies. It'd make high rollers worth doing to for better gear.

[crystal veldt]

I'm pretty sure if you split the game into two modes (one with trade market, one without), it will make gold farming more profitable for chinese hackers

1. new non-trader (ironman) game mode rewards grinding for loot heavily, thus removing those grinders from the trader pool
2. good gear becomes more scarce in the market
3. chinese farmers/exploiters take advantage of market scarcity to profit more

also, part of the reason why the farmers and exploiters are having such an easy time is because of the small playerbase. this would shrink it even more making it even easier for them

[neat reef]

It also becomes substantially easier to track and ban offenders and remove said gear. It also just makes it innately more risky by entering. The Chineese dominated flipping market goes away.

[crystal veldt]

why or how does it become easier to track and ban offenders?

[foggy sparrow]

sounds good to me, but probably same situation as flea market in Tarkov, many people would disagree

[fresh patio]

events should be more community based, not locked to "proven troubadours"

[soft nebula]

they talked about getting rid of random modifiers, but what about just making good modifiers rarer, and modifiers not even guaranteed. for example, a green piece has a 40% of getting a modifier, while a purple has an 80% for the first modifier, then it calculates 60% for the 2nd, and then a 40% for the third, or just make every modifier on the purple have a 40% of appearing, making purple most likely have 1-2. after this, modifiers are defenitely on a board for what is most wanted or least wanted in a sense. weapon damage is serverely saught after, so, i devised a modifier rarity system, which is also locked behind tiers of loot. a green can have up to common modifiers. (the modifiers being common [+1 wpn damage] rare [+2 wpn damage] and epic [+3 weapon dmg] the rates for each being affected by the color of the item itself. [at purple, common ab. 60%, rare at 30%, and epic at 10%) making good roles rarer to get on top of getting a good item on top of the already % of even getting those modifiers, these could also make crafting more desirable, having different rates for modifiers, making crafting once again king. this could make getting a good piece even more desirable and in my opinion, even grant the option to make BETTER modifiers, due to the fact getting those exact supreme damage numbers on every piece very rare. thank you

[craggy gazelle]

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[soft nebula]

respectfully, gear based matchmaking is a terrible idea, whgats the point of getting better loot if the second you pass a threshold you go against better players, and it keeps going up and up and up. making it so that better gear NEVER gives you an edge against anyone, for pvp, its cool, for the most important aspect of the game which is loot its completely a terrible addition, my suggestion above is me trying to push the skill gap to be lessened while not ruining the aspect of better loot.

[hot hemlock]

Whats the point in picking up "better gear" if it isnt perfect seeing as thats what youll be going against where youre forced to play it. Also the change probably would have been way better recieved if they didnt start a leaderboard at the SAME TIME so half of the people who dont wanna sweat are forced to just get run down by the same comp every game

[polar garden]

For the love of balance remove warlocks ability to heal off its hydra

[rich plinth]

well. all decisions are based on 3-4 streamers with their community. not the playerbase. that's why we have a game like this rn

[short heath]

Legitimately what it feels like at this point with how many times they've "tested" things and completely reverted those changes.

[rugged mango]

Chinese farmers wouldn't have a market to trade their farm? They'd have to take the Risk of bringing in the items sold while also risk losing them just to trade them to a player. Sure they could get on the same team and trade it in game, but now you have to risk it all and extract. In my opinion it hurt them more and Increase the risk. And good gear becoming scace is a good thing. It make you grind for the good roll gear and promotes going into high roller for that good gear. Also my bad I didn't mean split the game into 2 mode. I said remove trade completely

[narrow plank]

Make pickaxes b able to break blue portals so more people are forced into hell but they cant break the blue portals inside hell. or change the ending hell portals to green or something and have them either give more karma or exp

[terse dawn]

Bro what did u just suggest

[tiny wigeon]

Dude lay off the drugs for a bit man

[tiny wigeon]

😂

[granite plinth]

on a scale of 1-10, how many grams of crack did you smoke before writing that

[soft nebula]

if anything druid should be able to swap the portals between red and blue, but thats the most portal interation i can think of that isnt insane

[pine comet]

Why would a druid be able to interact with magical portals, i do not see how portals are related to nature

[soft nebula]

theyre magical transportation stones, i dont see why theyre not, why would they be placed here by humans

[pine comet]

So nature decided to put giant magical rocks in a man made crypt that creates a portal straight into hell which is also made by demons

[soft nebula]

god and satan decided to test out humans, and the druid is known as the protector of earth, i dont see why not, im not saying it NEEDS to happen, im just saying if ANY interaction were to happen, that would be the best way to go about it

[real trellis]

If it were possible to destroy portals people would come in naked with a pickaxe and destroy every possible blue portal just to grief

[soft nebula]

also i know its not the actual lore but its just a context that could be possible that may be related who knows

[pine comet]

First of, if this universe is based of dungeons and dragons their is no "God" or "Satan" and second red portals spawn in groups of three while blues in 1 so how would people be tricked by swapping portals

[soft nebula]

well its not used maliciously, its more so if theres no more reds or no more blues and u need the other, to save YOURSELF, and it could be an expensive ability, like revival on cleric

[pine comet]

So now you're saying instead of just disgusing a portal a portal as its opposite, it actually changes what the portal leads, revival on cleric only costs 8 spell slots and any decent cleric kit is able to run it comftorably so that means if this was a thing if a party brought a single druid and gave him 2 campfires he could just turn 3 reds into 3 blues and escape

[sinful flare]

why does a green crossbow do 1 shot to the head?

not even bis gear, just green gear and green crossbow

[real trellis]

What if you trading worked on a similar system to the "karma point" system, where you have to successfully extract from a raid in order to make 1 trade (purchasing side, selling is uncapped)?

This would stop people from grinding out a ton of money then sitting in trade chat all day putting together a bis set

[echo dome]

someone needs to make sure the next QandA involves the question "why arent the MMOEXP BOTS banned on sight?" Seems phishy if your stance is against real money transactions...If the argument is man power, you have a few thousand in the discord RN that would do it for free.

[serene snow]

Why not ban all account that buy gold from gold sellers? Maybe start with a warning temp ban

[echo dome]

I mean i'm for both but my idea is just at least prevent the damn advertising of it, unless of course they have a vested interest in those sales as well IDK

[serene snow]

They ban gold sellers as soon as they can. When they ban them they could take the extra step of banning anyone that received a certain amount of gold from them.

[echo dome]

i despise cheaters and I pity people who skip the enjoyment of earning the gear. literally half the game.

[naive elk]

Problem is that someone innocent can be caught between on this. I played tibi and Cipsoft tried to do this method, many innocent accounts got unfairly ban, people who bought the gold can trade with you and you can be banned even knowing that the gold is from gold sellers.

[serene snow]

They'll get a warning temp ban and learn not to accept large amounts of gold from strangers in trade.

[echo dome]

thats first thing i thought was you cant really source it 100% as a gold purchase when someone hands somone else free gold. Ban the source, not like its hard to find? They post advertisement wtf? Like DONT WORRY GUYS I CRACKED THE CASE FOR YOU

[real trellis]

If you ban people for receiving large amounts of gold or valuable items for nothing in return, you will catch innocent people getting stuff from their friends. If you narrow it down only to people who haven't played together at least a few times, you'll still catch innocent people because sometimes folks in the class discussion channels will give stuff away for free, especially towards the end of wipes. It demands manual review which is more than IM can do right now so another solution is needed.

I think the more efficient solution would be to look into people coming into servers that are halfway around the world, in the dead hours for that server, in order to lobby snipe high roller crypts with a bunch of other people from the same place.

[serene snow]

You wouldn't ban people for receiving lots of stuff for free because friends will give people stuff. First you verify that the person is a gold seller and then after that go and temp ban everyone that received lots of gold from them.

[echo dome]

if its manpower, that could be solved today. Just raises the question what else are we missing here?

[real trellis]

The bots advertising in trade chat are not on the same accounts as the ones that actually go through with the trades. How do you determine who is a gold seller?

[serene snow]

They ban the gold sellers now. They just need to take the extra step of temp banning buyers

[echo dome]

you could AT LEAST stop the advertising though. when I hear "well if we do that it wont stop anything" I just hear nothing is being done.

[real trellis]

Do they? Or do they just ban the advertising accounts?

[echo dome]

Would that be bad? like at least its something in the right direction.

[torn goblet]

fuck the rooms with one entrance

[real trellis]

No, but it'd waste more of the sellers' time if they actually banned the accounts that have the gold in them

[serene snow]

The devs could buy gold and then ban the account that gives it

[echo dome]

that would require time and manpower which again could be solved today but we will hear that as the excuse.

[real trellis]

I probably shouldn't talk about this anymore I don't know what is and isn't allowed to be said about this topic and I don't wanna exacerbate the problem

[serene snow]

They probably are doing it already

[real trellis]

wdym

[echo dome]

I hope they are fighting this stuff and not apart of it but its the real world and thats a lot of money in sales to pass up to some nobody in asia JS

[real trellis]

If IM can make this behavior less profitable than other games then they will move back to other games. Right now DaD is very profitable.

[torn goblet]

one example, was tryna explore crypts solo on rogue and learn the map. i get to the center of the maze for the first time and find two golden chest and a lions head and when i leave i get shot in the head by a ranger. no surprise since the hallway to leave is about as big as my member

[echo dome]

rangers in GC are all toxic shoot you on sight i swear

[real trellis]

Yeah the trap-filled maze is kind of a deathtrap... who knew

[torn goblet]

i figured but like i said was trying to learn the map

cant expect it to go great my first time but i just hate being camped after finding loot

[real trellis]

The maze is honestly quite nice for solo rogues as it's difficult for teams to push into you efficiently with the narrow hallways and traps everywhere, but you have to be able to actually hold a corner for it to go in your favor.

[echo dome]

lol never played DAYZ

[serene snow]

They could just add it to the game like Diablo did if they wanted. No reason to do it all sneaky

[torn goblet]

you right, i just wasnt aware of his presence since he sat there for a good 4 minutes standing still while i looted the chests lmao

[real trellis]

Yeah rangers are just like that

There's something very wrong with the people who main ranger and that's all I'll say on the subject

[torn goblet]

i suppose ill take a break with dollar store dnd

[real trellis]

Adding in more microtransactions is the last thing IM needs to do rn

Especially a microtransaction as blatantly pay2win as that

[serene snow]

I'm just saying I don't think IM is conspiring with gold selling websites because they could just make gold selling part of the game if they want

[real trellis]

Well, I don't think they are either, but it'd make more sense for them to do that than put it in the game openly if they were going to do that, because people would flip their shit about it. They barely got away with redstone shards being a thing and had to walk back classes being locked behind a timewall/paywall after public outrage

[serene snow]

Having it in game would be better than it is now.

[real trellis]

Not for PR lol

[serene snow]

Once my gear starts overflowing I could start selling items and make money. That'd be pretty cool

And people that don't have time can buy items and get right into the game

[real trellis]

That's called pay to win

Even if you're not paying IM, by allowing such transactions, the game would be implicitly pay 2 win.

[serene snow]

If they don't ban gold buyers then they should just add it to the game

IM could take 30% of each transaction and fund the game forever

[real trellis]

I feel like you're not listening to me lol

[serene snow]

It's already pay to win so it would be better if they control it and everyone has access

Or ban gold sellers and buyers. But you don't want to ban buyers.

[real trellis]

all they really need to do with boc is remove the headshot multiplier and put it on a 5s longer cooldown

[analog pebble]

there is lately a problem with the bard when i play songs a finish them they wont activate

[cerulean ruin]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503638/qol-uxui-throw-power-indicator QoL, Throw power indicator

[short remnant]

Can you please focus on servers and game content. Not pleasing steamers off with a tournament for a BETA GAME

[cerulean ruin]

Remove HighRoller...
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503643/suggestion-remove-highroller-hear-me-outa-scaling-dungeon

[lone crescent]

What? Holding an item for longer will not change anything and bows autofires when fully charged if you tap once and release

[cerulean ruin]

Cheers.
https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/1zTF0HFrNjCopj/d1337UfcyF4J?invite=cr-MSxhZDcsMjAwODc4MTI3LAi

[lone crescent]

Why has no one ever talked about it? Lol

[lone crescent]

Btw the indicator is already there in the crossair, it's noticeable with franciscas

[cerulean ruin]

it's off, try drums They need to improve it

[winter bison]

I thought rogue was bad after nerf but I was wrong, If you get perfectly stated purples rogue can take on players in greens and green/blue (barely). rogue still on top baby!!

[graceful frost]

Yeah rogue can still just landmine. But thats all he can do

[winter bison]

naw im sure that if you get a perfectly stated gold/named kit you could fight people straight up as long as they are blue and under

[graceful frost]

Well yeah, can still run at some classes pop invis for dmg and 1-2 tap

[winter bison]

im just joking, I played like a rat for like 30 games and spent like 10k on a strong set and now i can finally do pvp. I just think it funy that thats the only way to pvp on rogue. lol even against average gear it struggles and you can still get 1 tapped by a wiz that has like +10 magic damage on gear which is easy to do on just greens

[graceful frost]

Yeah its crazy. I really want a rogue rework. Remove invis and play into the stealthy, movement flank class. For example something like a tumble buff

[winter bison]

its still a fun class and if you can pick 1 player off the team before the fight starts you get a big advantage in a fight. there are alot of cheaters that just shoot you while you are invis now to alot of times it doesnt work. they just know where you are always.

[graceful frost]

Yeah rogue is fun. But just hell to play against. Just randomly dying from invis is such bull

[drifting cargo]

Why are streamer allowed to just get kits for free from there chat?? That should be a banable offense like literally die and next game your full purple again. Not all but some

[winter bison]

their no life viewers dont even play lol, they credit card for gold then search trade while watching their crush, then beg them to take the gear for pats on the head because no1 loves them. sad tbh

[viscid galleon]

just put a filter on item lvl please, no one plays high roll, and whats the purpouse of green/blue items when your always getting rushed by purple lobbies again and again in normals

the cap on blue items was so good and balanced, its unplayable for a non gear new character or green/blue set nowadays

[winter bison]

solo trios, crouch walk everywhere and run the opposide direction of any footsteps you hear. if you see a fight rat nearby. often times the chads dont even loot the people they kill so its free stuff 😉

[viscid galleon]

then I have to let others play and I just can watch from far away? cmooon

[winter bison]

no, just save up the gold till you can afford a purp set. then join a group of other purped people are you can now be the guy rolling over the nakeds for fun

[azure fog]

Did they remove the blue cap?

[cerulean ruin]

QoL Bow reload time.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503673/qol-bow-reload-time

Remove Highroller, hear me out:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503643/suggestion-remove-highroller-hear-me-outa-scaling-dungeon

UI/UX Throw indicator, non-existent or off (in terms of the indicator being wrong about how much power is behind your next throw) https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503638/qol-uxui-throw-power-indicator

[cerulean ruin]

New Content Suggestion: Finisher(s):
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503682/new-content-suggestion-finishers

[soft nebula]

yeah thats what im saying, it could be a lifesaver at the expensve of other skills or spells, i think it would be quite cool

[pine comet]

Every team would run a druid in high roller because thats a guaranteed 3 blues if they find a single batch of reds which are very commonly found in high roller as long as the druid has an above average kit

[soft nebula]

i see no issue with that tbh, and also it would make a good counter to teams who ONLY play for pvp, giving pve players more means of escape, it would actually help with many issues, including people switching to the druid rather than only bard or cleric

[pine comet]

So take 75% of the risk out of high roller

[soft nebula]

i dont think so either, there could be counters to that, ie. make the spell take a long time (10-15 seconds) and make it loud, so getting randomly third partied while doing it is a high risk, plus as you said, campfiring between every single transformation

also they could implement a little more "lore" into it describing high roller portals to be stronger in magic or something, disabling the ability to transforming them, and only allowing the ability in normies, but tbf i dont even think thats necessary, based on what i said i feel like itd already be difficult to pull off a full red transformation

or you can use that ability to disable a single batch of reds (red to blue), so if you wanna go bossing solo you can attempt to remove some red portals and increase your chances of having hell to yourself, at once again, a very high risk

[graceful sleet]

do not remove dmg from gear

[blazing bolt]

Here's a suggestion: Add clarity potions to the vendor. 🙂

[dense arch]

Do we think end game wizard is balanced? Cause I just got two shot by zap...

[sterile mica]

best way to decrease the amount of rogues in lobbies = merchants selling lockpicks

[fallen venture]

I think that the weapon damage add should be removed from all other pieces of gear besides weapons themselves. For my reasoning; I just got into the Ruins Normal and had a cleric in full bis gear all purples and the lightbringer flanged mace legendary. Although I was wearing nothing he hit me in the feet and killed me in 1 hit literally just one and he was not buffed in any way that was visible, so I inspected his gear all of his gear was +2 weapon damage on every single piece of gear at the very least he had 20 added weapon damage a mace with 38 base damage.

[pine comet]

Most unbalanced thing in existence yet they won’t nerf zap scaling

[winged sapphire]

WE NEED MORE INNOVATION IN THIS GAME TO MAKE IT FRESH

NEW MOBS NEW MAPS NEW WEAPONS NEW PLAY STYLES

[dense arch]

I wish they would just flip around all the maps in 4 directions or turn them into quadrants that are rng rolled

Also, every map should hap a way to go deeper into the dungeons - example: Normal Gobby has 3 redportals to a smaller version of high roller with 1 exit and 1 portal extraction

[echo wharf]

how about we balance the game first

[winged sapphire]

@echo wharf id rather have you not whining and have fresh content

we need new attack patterns in mobs and new UI changes such ass a DMG COUNTER IN GAME R TO ROTATE ITEMS

[dim jetty]

Please introduce item limits again. Game is ruined once again. Last patch was great for my friends and I, we don't play a lot because we have full-time jobs. Seems like D&D developers are just trying to make the streamers happy. Really disappointing.

I am not sure how you expect players with no items to get anywhere in the game when they get killed within 5 mins from players in full cobalt, purples, etc

[proud sigil]

wizards spells should cost mana, get a mana bar that regains per seconds and also make gear with more mana regain per sec or stat rolls. Its stupid to rest to regain spells

[torn goblet]

resting is regaining your mana. you just want to sit in a different way or what because they have that too, its called meditatikn

[proud sigil]

its stupid

[torn goblet]

and the gear to regain it faster is +will

[proud sigil]

while warlocks can spam infinite spells wizards the best spellcasters need to sit down

[torn goblet]

war locks cost health but yeah

[proud sigil]

warlock with mh can spam infinite, wizards with gear always need to sit down

[torn goblet]

takes 3/4 of the perks available to make it able to cast while he has curse of pain on. makes it viable anyway

[proud sigil]

2 perks

[torn goblet]

well man i dont know what to tell you, im bout to take a break from this dookie game anyway

[proud sigil]

but the thing its that warlocks are better spellcasters than wizard, and thats stupid

[torn goblet]

if you build will it really doesnt take that long to get spells back with meditation, extra spell damage too

[proud sigil]

yes, the thing its that i like to use the shield haha

[torn goblet]

i get ya, idk potions if clarity or a bard friend with chorale of clarity helps

clarity pots should be able to buy in bulk on trade if you wait long enough

[proud sigil]

yep if u could buy clarity potions on alchemist i wouldnt complain that much, but searching in the market its too boring

[torn goblet]

i think the market should be like tarkov, post and play

i like the live bartering but it isnt worth all the waiting

[proud sigil]

yep

[granite plinth]

make warlock not a better wizard with more upfront melee dmg than a barb with inf sustain on top of it all maybe? a lot to ask ik but

[dim jetty]

Bring back item limits for normal

[balmy tundra]

Separate normal lobbies by who has activated trade post

[granite plinth]

thats actually the best way to equal the battelfield i think ive read

ironmace, hire this man. hes a thinker!

[dry glacier]

Dark swarm should extinguish the environment lights it touches

[winter wadi]

Improve the base kit for all clases it would reduce the gap between geared and not geared and help out the casual players

[long blade]

You are supposed to be weak with no gear.

[green dock]

Imagine a lvl 1-10 map that was just pve, maybe a boss or two, like starting in “hell” with harder mobs to practice, but not overkill in mob density. So new players it people trying other classes could figure it all out before joining regular matches

[dusky ingot]

or make gear that was traded for have flavor text saying "traded for this? Y/N" and if its Y then you get sent to the gulag

[vast sorrel]

i think for a growing player base there should be a way to practice mobs without the pvp risk and a way to make a small amount of gold. the limited drop rate and gold per game will not make it better that normal online so once people feel confident they will enter the normal player pool but at the moment its very hard for people to learn and there so many different learning tiers.
ie you need to learn the pve, the map, different classes, how stats work, what stats to look for, building a kit, learning how to use said kit, all while practicing with most likely more failures than success
ive just found it hard to get people into the game when there in for a rough time just trying to even get the knowledge to be competative and i know its there fault for being casuals/ timmys ect but we need them

[dapper kite]

remove warlock

[granite plinth]

There isnt much in the way of people who want to practice pve

[odd nymph]

Compared to 3 and 4 tests, equipment is too easy to get and too cheap, causing everyone to lose enthusiasm for fighting and grabbing equipment

[pine comet]

I mean people figured out how to do bosses without a training mode

[stray canyon]

at the very least reduce the projectile speed of most of his spells. its absurd they move 2x faster than any other classes spells. its literally idiot proof you cant miss because you dont have time to dodge.

[small furnace]

Projectile speed? Most of warlock's spells are hitscan, not projectiles.

[stray canyon]

exactly the problem. they need to be slow as shit like everything else in the game. whys the warlock so op and idiot proof

[granite plinth]

There has to be a Cap for Gear in the normal Dungeons like only green stuff.
You can bring blue or higher in normal Dungeons but only the gear you will find by yourself.
Otherwise its always the same. 1 top 2 high end groups killing the whole Lobby.

[small furnace]

I agree warlock is currently overtuned, but of all the things I do not think their spells being hitscan is a contributing factor.

[stray canyon]

dont you think they would be a little less op if you could just move out of the way like any other spell?

[small furnace]

Did you momentarily forget that Zap, Chain Lightning, and Slow exist or something?

Perhaps Judgment?

[stray canyon]

slow doesnt deal damage chain lightning is hard af to hit and zap doesnt do half what a curse of pain does

zap also doesnt heal the wizard lol

[small furnace]

Chain Lightning is not hard to hit at all, that's why it's frequently run. Especially good vs teams but you can also use it on dead bodies or other entities and have it chain to players.

Zap is actually stronger than Curse of Pain. It has the same scaling but more initial damage and it's longer range.

[stray canyon]

i cant remember the last time i died to a wizard let alone got hit my a chain lightning. idk man it just seems cheese to me that the lock has a kit full of hitscan oppressive ranged plus that goofy ass blow of corruption that doesnt even belong on a caster to begin with XD

i cant even complain about the other classes. like i hate the barbarian too but at least his whole deal makes sense and can be counterplayed.

[small furnace]

Yes I said I agree with you that Warlock is overtuned but you're arguing for the wrong thing.

Spells being hitscan is fine, that's not the problem.

The problem is they're a swiss army knife that can do pretty much everything in the game exceedingly well right now.

As you outlined blow of corruption is currently broken, they can deny area harder than anyone in the game with Hydra, and they can heal up to full with 2 spell casts out of nowhere by just self casting on their hydra.

[vernal hedge]

gear caps shouldnt exist, instead gear needs to be rebalanced and we don't need anything similar to found in raid status has that just makes things more complicated than needed. simplicity is always best

[keen pewter]

Twitch drops on tournaments

[real trellis]

I still think the sanest way to handle gear is to make it so you have to pay to get into normals if you have too much gear, but make HR free once you're at that point

(and also lower your inventory size if you do go into normals so that you can't fully recoup the ante cost easily while geared)

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491011/if-people-want-to-play-on-ultraeasymode-they-should-get-ultraeasymode-quality-re

[south trout]

I have an idea for a gold sink
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503777/merchant-who-has-an-option-to-rework-stats-on-gear

[hoary moon]

Yea you’re not wrong.. if the game wasn’t so gear dependent it wouldn’t matter. But they made it this way so there needs to be barrier of entry. Or it will continue to bleed players.

[faint onyx]

wizard is actually trash

[ripe turtle]

What do you guys think of healing percentages on healing potions and bandages? Leave a vote for my suggestion if you like the idea!

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/501166/changing-potion-and-bandage-healing

[spark elk]

I think it will be abused by the same strategy people use now by stacking 1 stat (in this case strength ) which would make those percentages advantageous for higher health folks and less effective for lower hp folks. It caters to only certain classes inherently, that’s why they did flat healing and made quality heal “faster”

[karmic sage]

Would be nice to see leaderboards taken out completely. I know it would make the sweats that play for 16 hours a day cry, but it kills the game when you have a juicer streamer team that mows through the map in 3 minutes and rolls every team they come across and they don’t even loot bodies half the time because they want more kills. Watched repoze do this for 15 minutes last wipe and now I don’t even bother watching him anymore because of how boring it is when they 2 tap teams

[hardy night]

briung back item limits...but i know this way would be alot harder...but implkement a gear score system...point of weapon damage gives x amount of points and each point of additional magical damage adds more points...etc cause you can have an amazing blue set and shit purple set...allndepends on the stat rolls...because they people who are shit at the game and run around in normal lobbies in bis kits are literally ruining the game...oh and give us a way to send in clips with the cheater reports so these people can get banned more often.. i have 50+ clips saved of hard proof of people cheating that i have reported...and have not gotten the notification saying they have been banned yet...i know yall are trying to handle em...but if we can send you proof of cheating i figure it would be hepful in getting the PoS people using cheats banned quicker

[crimson sphinx]

I'm the first to admit that I am not great in this game. But tonight I've been on a loosing streak. If I was not facing purple gear players, I was facing teaming in the Goblin Caves. I think the matchmaking could use some improvements and teaming should be punishable as cheating. I do not mind if people team up to kill the Troll or something, but actively attacking others together, healing each other (Cleric) really puts solo players in a disadvantage (on the solo server, lol). Thanks for reading. 🙂
One more thing: Warlock's phase ability. It says something like it reduces magic resistance. I am not even sure they take magic damage while phasing...

[real trellis]

Organic teaming is not punishable and nothing is stopping you from trying to rizz up the lobby and find a buddy in the goblin caves. Nothing's stopping people from betraying 'friends' either.

As for Phantomize, you can take damage if you are in a hitbox like Fireball's splash damage or if you walk over a trap that has been activated by something else (traps will not activate by a phantomized warlock walking into their trigger zone but may still hit them if something else triggers them). Projectiles do not seem to make contact at all, only AoE effects.

[crimson sphinx]

Yes, I see in-match teaming and then people betraying one another, but I suspect there are teaming as well where friends try to get into the same match and then play together. I'm not sure how easy is to achieve this, I never tried myself (we just play regular multiplayer maps).

Thanks for clarifying the Phantomize. I was pretty sure my magic did not hit them, so you say only AOE damage. Gotcha. Cheers.

[patent mauve]

I kinda like this idea, if you're wearing blues/purples+ you need to pay 100 to play normal lobbies.

[real trellis]

It'd need to be a lot more than 100 because even with severely limited inventory space a juicer could still recoup that fairly easily by picking only the best treasures or taking a high-value item off of a victim. The idea is to dis-incentivize normals by making the reward as low as the risk to the point where you're losing money if you keep doing it. At the same time, you incentivize highroller by making it free once you hit that gear level.

[cedar breach]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503802/archers-regen-rations-on-campfires
If fighters can do it, so should rangers.

let me know if I'm tripping

[real trellis]

You're tripping

[vernal hedge]

would make sense, but I think that then rations would have to have an hefty healing reduction or have their ammount reduced to 1-2, both have upsides and downsides to their healed amount, usage etc so a 1-1 can't be done really

[storm blade]

Hard tripping

[cedar breach]

100% agree @vernal hedge I think 2 makes it reasonable.

[storm blade]

You would still need to lower the healing 2 rations is still more hp the second wind. You would need to cut it by like 33 percent healing. 3 rations is currently a full hp bar

[main perch]

How does resting create food?

you can’t even equip weapons or belt items during that time, why would they be able to cook a sandwich

[vernal hedge]

Why can fighter and spell caster regen their skills/spells with a campfire?
Have you tried resting in a stone floor, it’s not comfortable to say the least

[main perch]

Fighter and barb skills are like a component of their stamina, meaning taking a proper rest should restore that, same with casters. rangers are eating an object they brought with them

[azure fog]

It isn’t a sandwich, it is a kabbab if you have the emote! 😉

[storm blade]

Hows this ranger is busted already why add more to him

[main perch]

Do you think resting should restore caltrops with campfires?

[azure fog]

You are rules lawyering logic to a game with magic, undead, and portals.

[cedar breach]

LMAO mans trying to reason with a fantasy game. chill bro @main perch

[storm blade]

How this stop trying to buff players and fix gear we dint need to change rations or anything else but gear

[vernal hedge]

are you bringing real life logic into the balancing of a fantasy game, where theres demons ghosts... and magic?

[main perch]

Why not
give me a reason why logic should be ignored instead of saying logic is wrongthink

[storm blade]

Gear is the current issue 30 plus weapons damg 80 PDR 190 stg on bards warlocks ista heal magics two tap

[vernal hedge]

so do you also scream in real life and get a like 30-40% hp bonus aswell has moving 15% faster?

[cedar breach]

I agree

[azure fog]

Why did they stop the gear limit on normals? That was really nice while it lasted. Did they give a reason for reversion?

[storm blade]

The only thing that will help this game is the devs deleting this discord

[vernal hedge]

it's not something that they want in the game, with proper gear balance and incentives for HR gear cap isnt needed

[azure fog]

@storm blade I just want to say the dogs in your profile pic are gorgeous 😍

[storm blade]

Thank you I really appreciate that they my 120 pound babies bernese mountain dogs

[main perch]

Adrenaline

[azure fog]

Ok… 1) that is bull shit. Toxic shitters that pub stomp normals in full purple were already not looting, just going for kills. So gear balance can’t prevent bullying. 2) gear balance isn’t currently done and in a game like this will never be achieved so keeping a system in place to address the issue is necessary

[azure fog]

100% want a fur-baby channel in this discord ❤️

[vernal hedge]

I don't see how this is a reply to what i said, I never talked anything about them looting? i'll try to repeat it

1. SDF does not want gear caps in the game
2. Gear balance will make it so that full purple players power will be way less meaningfull than it is now(so they won't be able to pubstomp everylobby by stat checking people), but i never once said the game is balanced currently.
3. incentives to go HR instead of normals will also decrease the amount of people going onto normals with insane gear, but this will always happen to an extent
4. if you are looking for a fare,perfectly balanced experience, a looter extract will never be the game for you

[tender seal]

Well yeah adrenaline is a hell of a drug

[main perch]

Anyone who’s played high school football or higher will know about pumping yourself up to get adrenaline boosts

[vernal hedge]

yah was a bad example, cornered myself on that one, but let me know once you open you textbook and start casting spells

[dim jetty]

Bring back item caps, game rewards streamers and people who don't have jobs

[azure fog]

1. it is nice to not want gear caps, but WHY? They have stated they want people with better gear to go HR, but not wanting gear caps requires ignorantly relying on people to self police… they never have, in any competitive game 2) gear balance is always a great choice, but no degree of gear balance can or should bring white gear and legendary gear in line. Having separated iLvL lobbies is the only effective gate to effect the change they state they desire 3) incentive to go to HR only works for gear acquisitions, but does nothing to stop pub stomp trolls. Those are the ones that gear limit lobby rules are needed for.

.

[half quarry]

Can we have stash auto sort. I'm lazy

Cancel matchmaking as well would be nice

[vernal hedge]

1. because it isnt what they want their game to be and neither do a lot of people, simple as that, if you want a fare competitive experience, in the devs words "there's game that already do it better"
2. once again, its not about making a legendary have the same power has a white, but it making it so I can't grab 9 damage in my pants, it about separating the damage and hp part of strength into str and constituion, same thing with armour rating and pdr, theres plenty that you can do for good gear to still give you an advantage but not make you win by default unless you afk
3. like I said, these players will always exists, it's a part of the game like you have smurfs and other terms in other games, if this isn't fun for you, take a break until they've made some of changes to this or find a new game

@azure fog sdf's thoughs regarding the recently tried gear cap:
"
Q: Gear cap is trash and it removes progression from the game, people don't use anything more than blues and once they do they lose all they worked for in HR cause mega comp teams run the place
A: Yes. Let's remove the gear cap right away. I hate it so much, but I applied it for testing purposes. And at least as of now, I don't see the need for further testing.
"
from the recent dev qna that happaned 2 weeks back? you can read through it here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HrFdCBAy5GtzSkM7Hy0_EE0YBGiq1w0ywQEh2DOs_wU/edit

[dim jetty]

Lol yeah, in the meantime players who have lives and have no starting equipment continued to get wiped by players in purples and oranges. Your arguments don't really have any merit. The game was objectively more even for the entire player base last patch. This patch is completely one-sided.

[half quarry]

1v1, 2v2, 3v3 arena would be cool

[dim jetty]

"its their game so they can do what they want" what a compelling argument lol.

[half quarry]

Can we have the searching in playerlist work the same as in trade chat? I'm too lazy to type my friends entire name

Can we have a longsword only event

Friends list for easy trading and invites would be nice

[vernal hedge]

how is it not? you are the one buying in to their vision not the other way around, and it was this vision that got them here to begin with

[dim jetty]

Because next patch that you don't like I could say the same thing, same logic ccould be applied to the last patch

well enjoy then. If you reward the top 1% the rest of the player base will fall off. No one likes game breaking yet the game remains broken. They actually made steps toward resolving that last patch then took 2 steps back.

[vernal hedge]

feel free to, but you won't see me just saying "oh nerf this" "add this because streamers and 1%"
I'll instead look at what the root problem of the issue(gear imbalance, lack of HR incentives, lack of progression) and try to resolve that because doing a band aid fix like gear cap wont fix anything like we have seen in this test

[patent mauve]

I don't think HR should be free at any time, the incentive to go into HR is already there, I go in naked and come out with a full kit and gear to sell worth 1000+ half the time. I think that normal lobbies should have less portals than HR, since grey gear timmies have little to nothing to lose in not finding a portal and if multiple juicers join a normal lobby looking to pub stomp, some 5k+ kits can be lost instantly to the darkness.

[vernal hedge]

because the balancing we saw that was reverted wasn't good, they basically removed itemazation from items and only addressed half of the issues, it's cool to nerf damage so people don't get one shot, but they left healing, buffs and armour rating in the same place so that would lead to people shifting from stacking damage to stacking pdr, have fun killing an 85%pdr figther with a cleric and bard when you are dealing single digits of damage

[dim jetty]

Cool man. I agree, screw everyone who doesn't already have equipment.

Meanwhile I'm just going to go play something where I don't have to spend 40 hours a week just to progress

[short sorrel]

I am trying to understand Ironmace's reasoning behind removing the gear cap in normal lobbies. I thought that the game felt the best it had felt for a while after they had implemented that change. It was far from perfect given that crazy stats could still be had on rares, but it still felt like fights and the overall experience was better than before. I personally don't mind running into teams with purples/oranges because my friends and I are good enough to take them down if we play smart but that is far from the experience new players are having. I've befriended a few timmies in Ruins who think the game is impossible because they are getting one shot by a crossbow from 50m away or hit with a single curse of pain and dropping. I think we need some sort of gear cap for normals (whether different or the same as previous) and more incentive for Chads to be in high roller. One of my thoughts is that instead of having HR be for the leaderboards, they create a ranked/unranked mode. ranked has higher tier loot and its the only way to get on leaderboards and normals have less loot/maybe less mobs and are for people to gear up and prepare for ranked mode. Thoughts all?

[vernal hedge]

you've reached the conclusion.
aren't having fun with the game? take a break and wait to see what they introduce with the wipe on the 26th and with the full wipe in november
ps: it's probably the balance changes that we know are gonna happen, addressing added damage sources and armour rating

[dim jetty]

Yes you're absolutely right, people with god tier equipment should be able to farm people with whites and nude builds. /s

[vernal hedge]

yes that's absolutely what ive been saying

[short sorrel]

Reminder to interpret people's arguments and suggestions in the best possible light and respond to them accordingly. It will make conversations more productive and lead to more fruitful discussions

[vernal hedge]

the problem with that is that the game already struggles to get enough people into an HR lobby, its very common to see them not fill up, adding a semi-HR queue I don't think will help move enough people into HR more than it will divide people between 2 hr queues.
any decision to add a new map or queue needs to be tougth about heavily because the games population is not big and if you played when pre-15 lobbies were around it was noticeable that you were waiting longer on normal games and would even start with lobbies not full during peak eu time

[short sorrel]

I understand and that's why I propose we tweak the idea of HR entirely to something more along the lines of a ranked mode. It can have more difficult mobs/better loot but maybe not in the same sense that it currently does. I think the entry cost of gold is a unappealing to people for some reason but being able to increase their rank might do so. (These arguments are also assuming we are moving into a full release/back on steam environment where the game is more accessible to the public). I think that changing the queues to unranked/ranked could help encourage the better players to go into ranked while leaving normal for the new players/less skilled to enjoy themselves.

[vernal hedge]

Assuming post steam when numbers are surely higher it could work pretty well.

One of my favorite things of when hr was free was that that gave people a chance to learn the maps and fighting nightmares, but there was the issue of people now just solo ratting it for money at no risk which hurts the economy

The devs making the hr maps playable in normals was a good change and yours would help with dealing with the pve aspects of it with the solo rats no being has much a problem

Quite different example but would go a bit in line with what cs2 did recently in which you have you old school competitive and now a more serious premier mode

[steep tartan]

Games are nothing more than human constructs of statistical differences and the balance of a game is based off the statistics of its mechanics

[azure fog]

In short: the ONLY people who are happy the gear cap was removed are the ones who like to wipe normal lobbies in purple gear. Change my mind.

[gentle rapids]

It was a temporary change, and sdf himself said he hated the idea

[azure fog]

That doesn’t address the point or change my mind, simply that sdf may well like rolling normal lobbies 🤔

[ripe turtle]

Can you guys see the pings on different servers? If not, would be a nice addition.

[vernal hedge]

have you ever read the stuff that sdf says?

[abstract swallow]

or people that bought budget purples
or people that play classes dependent on gear rarity for survivability
or people that don't like picking up loot they can't use or sell

[storm blade]

You might want to understand gear before you say stuff like that. I can get full green BIS and run normals and kill everyone. stats on gear are the issue nothing to do with anything else SDF stated this already a few times. Half the people you see in purple gear the purple gear is not BIS its legit 1 or 2 good rolls. Stat stacking is the issue not gear in normals

[thorny forge]

why do people always complain about purples? I have had greens and blues that accomplish the same thing most purples/legendarys do because half the time most of the extra rolls are just garbage.

[storm blade]

They don't understand that's why they see cape and go he's geared so geared lmao

[thorny forge]

they just need to make a queue for gray gear and people will stop crying about gear

[abstract swallow]

just implement 'offline raids' for the steam launch like T*rkov does so people can practice PvE and basic mechanics

[storm blade]

Gray gear lobby with no bosses and trash loot sure I'm okay with that

[azure fog]

Yes, the gear engorgement by allowing stats to go from +1 to +3 or adding +All stat was a terrible choice. If people are running rubbish stat gear that is a personal dumb choice, no one is talking about imperfect purples and trying to shift the topic to “there are purples worse than some greens” Is a classic straw man fallacy. Obviously we are discussing full purple BIS teams as the issue. Purple fear is more powerful as it can have up to 4 modifiers and green can have to too 2, BIS purple will always be better than BIS green. Stop trying to derail a valid conversation about gear capping by straw man justifying your high gear kits in

[vernal hedge]

and sdf has literally said that when asked why not try a green cap lobby? he responded that it would have little effect due to how the current gearing works, but these people choose to ignore that

[storm blade]

You mean the mode you have to pay 120 bucks for lmao

[abstract swallow]

[azure fog]

If it had little effect, people wouldn’t be upset by the limit. It DOES have an effect, which is why the pub stomp trolls whined about it

[storm blade]

Still won't fix your issue as he stated and @vernal hedge just stated

[azure fog]

It doesn’t fix the issue, but it gets much closer to resolving it than NO cap. This is like arguing I shouldn’t keep pressure on a GSW because it won’t “fix” The bullet hole.

[thorny forge]

ive seen like maybe 1 team in full bis gear above blue rarity its not that common unless the game is wiping, they removed normal dungeons gold hordes so there is nothing for geared teams to do on normals besides run you down they might barely be able to make the gold back that the gear cost

[storm blade]

How many people do you really see running around in BIS be real here sure when wipe is happening in 3 days u see it but your talking about 1 and 100 raids

[azure fog]

I see full purple teams in 3/5 normal lobbies and you are absolutely right, they don’t care any looting they are just there to murder the whole lobby

[thorny forge]

that would be because the game is wiping this week

[abstract swallow]

you're close to hitting the nail on the head
the reason that stompsquads are so prevalent is because the game is meant to be 3+ floors
you're meant to have to go down through several repopulating floors of dungeon to make back your supply/repair/gearing costs, not play a single 9-minute battle royale that drops HR-viable loot

[azure fog]

I see full purple BIS teams (or more often 75% BIS rolls) 3/5 lobbies some variance based on play time and easy/west servers

[steep tartan]

You guys do realise that this isnt youre game right?

[abstract swallow]

of course
the combat isn't turn based, so it couldn't be me

[azure fog]

I have seen the same behavior the last three wipes. It was also happening day 2 of this wipe

[storm blade]

Lmao okay well that's just not true but you're right become a dev and fix the issues then

[vernal hedge]

@azure fog understand a fact, this is early development, all that is happening is testing, you aren't here to enjoy the game, you are here to help it develop or that is what you signed up for when buying the game at least.

Gear cap is meaningless because its not the root of the problem, if you have an engine issue, you dont replace your oil, you go and check whats wrong with the engine and fix it, the reason people ask for gear cap is mainly because gear right now is stupid powerfull at high levels, but we know that balacing changes are to come, they reverted the changes because they were done hastlly and werent complete(for example they changed damage only, never touching on healing and pdr which was the reason they reverted it has at an high end of gearing fights were boring because you cant outdps the cleric healing a pdr fighter with second wind)

the gear cap was simply a test that proved that it had no effect has someone in a bis blue will still pub stomp easily specially if they are half decent, the damage coming from gear is far too strong agsinst base kits and thats what needs to be addressed, a gear cap will only create a false sense of security and delay changes that need to come early in development rather than later

[thorny forge]

must just be unlucky

[abstract swallow]

I'd put dollars to donuts that the statistics from the testing showed that there was almost no difference in the number of people running default/shop kits after the gearcap was introduced, but everyone else consolidated into just pure blue capekits

[storm blade]

Someone that finally understands we are TESTERS my God they need to see the data to make the game correct Frost is 100 percent right here how can they collect the data if they just remove it

[abstract swallow]

they need to force duos/solos to lobby fill into the same maps as trios for down portals, it's the only way we'll get a variety of gear levels and party sizes again

[vernal hedge]

risky af, as a ruins main id love this shit

[abstract swallow]

for real man, my whole group misses the actual sense of gear progression the pre-GC mixed lobbies gave

[vernal hedge]

it gets lost way too often in alpha and beta games, people expect a full polished balanced game, but that not what you are here for you are there to help it reach that full polished balanced game

[vernal hedge]

I wish they hadnt added goblin caves, I put it alongside raid and dungeon finder for wow

[abstract swallow]

GC really was the single biggest mistake they ever made

[storm blade]

I like the map not going to lie but yeah it's an issue

[thorny forge]

on some real shi, can they just unlock the marvelous chest after normal bosses, a homie doesnt want to carry a lockpick on him just to get some loot from the boss room... they already removed the gold pile 😦

[abstract swallow]

GC killed team diversity, gave us the gold farming meta, caused nonstop kvetching about solo problems the game explicitly wasn't supposed to be balanced around, etc

[vernal hedge]

literaly, but its why ive turned to maining ruins, itd the closest to the old experience and in duos you dont really worry about meta comps like you would a buffbal in trios

[umbral elm]

True

[viscid galleon]

look the answer they gave me xd: solo trios, crouch walk everywhere and run the opposide direction of any footsteps you hear. if you see a fight rat nearby. often times the chads dont even loot the people they kill so its free stuff. then I have to let others play and I just can watch from far away? cmooon
Nerd — ayer a las 19:44
no, just save up the gold till you can afford a purp set. then join a group of other purped people are you can now be the guy rolling over the nakeds for fun

just bring again the gear limit or make high roll worth it or even buff green items idk but last patch experience was pretty better than nowadays

[quiet igloo]

High roller would be better if pve was reduced to normal speeds. Prove me wrong.

[late comet]

All players who queue normals with legendary gear should be banned for a day so they can shower and go outside

[dry glacier]

High roller would be better if they made new enemies instead of copy pasted red ones that are just faster and tankier

Would make it feel more like progressing the story of your character, start with goblins, then gear up to crypts, then fight orcs or gnolls or whatever in highroller

[spice jasper]

add some more races, dwarfs, tieflings, gnomes, dragonborn, githyanki gimme them all

[wet dock]

Spontaneous truces and all are cool, but having half the hr lobby team up on you because you wanted to fight needs to go

And fast

Otherwise people will keep taking their gear into low roller because if they fight in high roller they lose it

[naive elk]

• Give the community a roadmap, so this way we can at least have something to waiting for instead being at darkess without knowing what devs plans to the game at long run, the game is in development, but give your players some "credibility" proofing that the devs have something in mind to the future or at least expose what are the plans.

• Add a NPC or the function to the Treasurer in his "Services" area to convert our Gold Coin in "GOLD BAR" (Not Ingot), each Gold Bar would be equal to 1000G or 5000g and would stack until 5. Wouldnt be charged any tax to convert the gold, but to turn the gold bar in Gold Coin again would be charged a 5% of the value to help with gold sink in the game.

• Remove the Weapon Damage stats from any gear, keep it only in Weapons and Rings, this way the game will be less focused in stack those stats and reduce the "one-hit-kill" meta we do have currently, giving more space to fights duration and time to reaction.

• Add some personality to our current Rarity System, some ideas I have is to didnt allow to any stats in all any rarity. For example, Weapon Damage +3 should only be possible in legendary, Rare Gear should only be possible have Weapon Damage +1 and Epic Gear +2, we really need to have a disparity in gear power other than the numbers of rolls. This way epic and legendary gear really would be expensive and worth to use/craft.

• Add new craftable gear, theres too many craft material that didnt have any use, being able to craft gear with what you found in the dungeon should help new players and also movement the craft market, aswell giving another option to gear that we can use in our runs.

• Give new functions to Silver Coin, let us exchange for supply like Bandage or Potions. Honestly Silver Coin currently is just "gold that occupies another slot", If you remove them from the game nobody would even feel they're missing, because theres no use or funcion to be used, so please, lets us use the Silver Coin for something.

[cerulean ruin]

This guy is spot on, they should hire you

[tribal walrus]

Re point two, I feel like the gold bags and treasure chest fulfill this role, they're just way too hard for people to get their hands on ATM. No need to reinvent a system they already have

[cerulean ruin]

Also agree, the gold bar one is probably the one I least liked, but he read the situation correctly

[naive elk]

Isnt the best choice, but probably is better than having "gold" injected in the market when people mine gold ingot or get a golden key, If they allow people to buy bigger gold bags or even the chest, we wouldnt even need any of this.

[naive elk]

Also, the part of limiting weapon dmg apply aswell to the any main stats that boost damage, like magic damage, I honestly dont know how magic dmg scale in magic class because Im a melee guy, but would probably need to balance the other stats aswell. (I couldnt write it there, because the character limit)

[hardy vector]

the entire games problems lies within the weapon dmg and add wpn dmg attribute

[uneven osprey]

just got one hit by the zap spell...you ruined this game

[spice crest]

giving ranger infinite arrows back and faster draw speed but making his damage around half of what it is rn

[uneven osprey]

1st playtest was best

[obtuse lichen]

Honestly the state of the game when it got out from the early access was better than nowadays

[uneven osprey]

100%

game went from being a highly enjoyable knock around game like everyone in greens.....to this slave to the marketplace trying to get bis gear for hours to have the perfect set to roll timmies in grey armor lol get a fucking life

[obtuse lichen]

And when we are going to get an actual support that can be used instead of the cleric
Bard was one of them but they decided to destroy his heal for no reason when it wasn't the actual strongest part about him
And with these heal nerfs they are making every team to run with a cleric as well
+Phys classes keep getting huge nerfs, meanwhile we have a cleric and a mage that can take 50% of your health with one spell even if you are playing on the barbarian

HR is not rewarding
The meta is terrible
Everybody has to play mirror matchups
Nobody wants to fight
If you push than you are throwing
Honestly i think developers are fans of this anti push meta where everybody holds angles and waits for a perfect moment to 3rd party someone

And why the f earthquake even deals damage it's already insanely strong utility spell even without a damage

It should just slow down enemies like a wizard slow does without dealing any damage

[naive walrus]

NERF FIGHTER- TAKE AWAY MOVE SPEED PERK FOR ARMOR

[urban ibex]

make add true and weapon dmg max rolls +2

[iron snow]

Will you remove additional weapon damage stacking to apply on thrown/ranged weapons?

[urban glen]

Give new players a chance to learn the game.

[uneven osprey]

🇬 🇪 🇦 🇷 👍 🇧 🇦 🇸 🇪 🇩 👍 🇲 🇦 🇹 🇨 🇭 👍 🇲 🇦 🇰 🇮 🇳 🇬 1st playtest was best playtest 10/10

[coral sable]

Being able to break barrels should be determined by the STREGNTH attribute. WILL should be able to affect the amount of faded health a player gets when hurt. KNOWLEDGE should affect how detailed the mini map is and RESORCFULLNESS should affect inventory size. Just ideas not really super invested in these ideas just poped in the noodle.

[worn lava]

i don't believe wizards can 1 tap anyone did you already have damage when they zapped you i know rangers can 1 tap with longbows and barbs and knights but not wizards

[uneven osprey]

this isnt the chat for this but i was a fighter full plate blues and got one shot with zap by a "geared" wiz

[worn lava]

sounds fishy

[viral zephyr]

because it didn't happen lol

[short heath]

High end Wizards can onetap entire teams with a good Chain Lightning

[worn lava]

find a video for proof I've never seen a wizard able to 1 tap

[hardy vector]

then good wizards can 1 tap with every spell. i hope u know the difference between chain and lightning strike is 4 dmg, and icebolt headshot is 25 more then chain

[eternal nebula]

Add more buying options on the merchants, add quests, add more crafting options, nerf the amount of things found in chests, increase the amount of money you get from selling weapons and gears to merchants, and remove trading. Then after all of that make it so the first game you play with starter loot matches you with other starter loot players then after that one game put everyone in the same matchmaking

[patent mauve]

Why?

[small furnace]

The wizard disconnect people experience is insane.

I see people talk about how broken rangers and warlocks are in terms of DPS, because they can output massive amounts of DPS and in the case of warlocks they have a ton of utility that make them incredibly strong in every other category.

Yet those same people will often say that wizards are underpowered. Like, no... wizards actually have the highest burst DPS in the game at high geared levels. It's just a harder class to play than ranger or warlock so you won't often see that as much as you do them.

[pine comet]

Wizard is unbalanced when geared with zap and chain, ranger is unbalanced early and mid game when people dont have 80% pdr

[small furnace]

Wizard is strong at any level, it just requires more skill. Even when ungeared a wizard is perfectly capable of killing every class in the game.

[glacial sphinx]

The chain lightning claim is pretty false though. I mean unless you're talking about a 60k set or something its not true, and even that wouldn't onetap someone in decent blues.

[small furnace]

It's a bit exaggerated, but I would say a high geared wizard can 70-80% chunk an entire team in terms of their health.

[pine comet]

Chain lightning is exaggerated, chain lightning usually knocks teams down to 1/4 hp when geared

[glacial sphinx]

nah it can for sure do a lot of damage and is a strong spell, I just think there is a huge fundamental difference between a onetap and a 70% hit

[small furnace]

I mean most people will say 'onetap' when they refer to do something doing a ton of damage. They will say: "Get one tapped by rogues" "Get one tapped by barb" "Get one tapped by ranger" but it just does not happen 90% of the time. People exaggerate and that's just the trend Onyx was following.

[pine comet]

I mean when you make the enemy cleric use every heal in their disposal before you even engage them…

[glacial sphinx]

Sure like I said, CL can be strong if used perfectly with great gear no doubt. It's niche but potentially very powerful

[pine comet]

It also is strong if two low gear teams fight, it still deals 50 damage at no gear

[soft apex]

for fighters that take the heavy projectile reduction gear (the stuff that reduces magic resist) it's possible to boost damage taken by a fair bit, like say 50%

the original question was about zap, which could easily deal 40+11 damage at the moment. I suspect at those values that you would be seeing a wizard two tap unless you truly tanked your magic resist so low that they got +100% damage.

[soft nebula]

yo watchall think of this:
they talked about getting rid of random modifiers, but what about just making good modifiers rarer, and modifiers not even guaranteed. for example, a green piece has a 40% of getting a modifier, while a purple has an 80% for the first modifier, then it calculates 60% for the 2nd, and then a 40% for the third, or just make every modifier on the purple have a 40% of appearing, making purple most likely have 1-2. after this, modifiers are defenitely on a board for what is most wanted or least wanted in a sense. weapon damage is serverely saught after, so, i devised a modifier rarity system, which is also locked behind tiers of loot. a green can have up to common modifiers. (the modifiers being common [+1 wpn damage] rare [+2 wpn damage] and epic [+3 weapon dmg] the rates for each being affected by the color of the item itself. [at purple, common ab. 60%, rare at 30%, and epic at 10%) making good roles rarer to get on top of getting a good item on top of the already % of even getting those modifiers, these could also make crafting more desirable, having different rates for modifiers, making crafting once again king. this could make getting a good piece even more desirable and in my opinion, even grant the option to make BETTER modifiers, due to the fact getting those exact supreme damage numbers on every piece very rare.

[soft apex]

I really dislike this, because it's the same patch but even less of the playerbase is in the pool that can/will grind for extreme advantage in fights

[soft nebula]

i get that, but even then purples and legendaries will have not as stacked of good roles anymore, and considering theyre more common in high roller, it can incentivize more people to go there considering the greens and blues theyd get off normie runs dont have that good of a chance of having those good roles, making the loot pool more shiny even if a purple in my suggestion would now be on par with a green-blue item now

plus this doesnt mean we cant also implement something like wpn damage only being on rings and weapons too

[soft apex]

whatever hoops and how ever much you spam the rand function, the game is ultimately played after all of that, when someone has safely bought a full perfect set of gear

[soft nebula]

yeah, but instead of spending the 1 key for an amazing set, the same set would be worth sm more, thats why im saying implementing rarities to those pieces, so that stuff like wpn damage becomes significantly more rare, making even a +2 wpn damage piece go from the 400g it is now to like 1k instead, sure that would mean rich people get it easier, but also means they cant just be buying them over and over considering even for them it would leave a heavy mark in the bank, making other enchants get used more

[soft apex]

but I should be clear, I don't think my ideal is what the majority of players want either. I don't personally need any player psychology tricks to make me go loot the dungeon, that's fun for me and I'm going to do it anyway. If all gear had no rarity and absolutely fixed 'enchantments/modifiers' and you just built whatever set of gear you liked the effects of, that would be great on my end.

I understand many players feel they need to be kept on a treadmill by improving their power inside the game, even if it reduces the challenge or interest in the game. I fact in some cases precisely because it allows them to ignore difficulty and just keep playing the same way.

[soft nebula]

that is good, everyone has their own playstyle, i personally just love this game for the chance of getting that extra spicy piece or weapon

[soft apex]

yeah indeed, there is a unique feeling to finding something that's just set to proportionally silly values and trivializes the game. Dark and Darker also promises to randomly kill you so that you lose it, and can have that feeling again without winning for long enough to get bored of it.

I think even for that camp, it doesn't help to have layers of randomization making good stuff rare, though it does focus the emotional response of fear and elation the more grinding time and randomness is involved in finding absurd advantage.

I think though, that feeling of rarity is best communicated without the trappings of mechanical advantage tacked on. That advantage is one way to get players to desire equipment, but with the game's full loot attrition destroying items pretty well, I think gear has enough utility to be desirable even if 'gearing up' doesn't take hours of expert grinding and trading.

Personally I think the game needs some prestige elements for both PvP and PvE, objectives players can try to accomplish within matches that reward them with any of these things:
Cosmetics
Custom basic loadouts
Merchant upgrades
Powerups for just the current match
Narrative, or even being added to a live narrative
"Fun" gear/consumables, but with less power than standard gear (think current uniques but instead of more base stats they have less, retaining their unique effects)

[summer crystal]

Read this if your bored: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/503904/bard-rework#comment565205

Some more light reading: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491954/loot-system-rework-ver2#comment552427

[celest pagoda]

Give Cleric lil throwable javelins

[quartz jetty]

LOL

[dim jetty]

Fax

[bronze pulsar]

You guys should make a monk class after the druid, he should focus a balance of strength and agility ,he could have class specific gloves that add weapon damage(and maybe movesets)for punching, on top of quarter staff and maybe a sickle and chain for some range(make it low damage of course), and maybe attack skills like kicking and stuff, i would say buffs or healing with a mantra but thats kinda already covered by other classes, in anycase i think itd be cool to have a class that utilizes punching and i think itd fit in perfectly

[short crypt]

I'm sure they'll use some sort of Ki system with the Monk Class, for buffs and heals. Or maybe they'll give it their own twist who knows

[bronze pulsar]

I think making them too wizard like with spells would be a little redundant, just attack skills should do the trick, but id be happy if a monk that focuses punching came to be in any form

[lucid charm]

What do you guys think about adding constant visual/sound effect that tells you where the portals are when you're close to them? Right now it feels like it's too hard to find portals if the final circles are in some specific rooms(those with multiple floors/corners and full of mobs).

[scarlet temple]

I like the portals as they are tbh but I'd be happy with a change from the "zone". Maybe like a monster house system.

[winged mortar]

Make it so there’s no such thing as one shotting people. Reduce the gear dispairency.

[silver dock]

what should i do with trolls bloods?

[wintry egret]

can you dumb devs focus on fixing the game before hosting a stupid event thats going to be unbalanced as hell?

[vernal hedge]

if the devs are dumb and the event is stupid surely they could do with some geniusly constructive feedback from you no?

[wintry egret]

you bring up a very fair point, currently rangers and any magic damage is insanely strong compared to everyone else, prime example true magic damage a warlock can curse of pain you with 10 true magic damage and phantomize away and it will kill you, theres videos of the rogue being able to hit up to 196 head shots, the ranger can do what ever it wants by simply shooting put bow away run, then theres the wizard still invis hasting in 1-2 shotting people

[vernal hedge]

Yah the current power from gear is far too much but this is what I think the partial wipe we are getting will address.

The way the balanced at the start of the wipe was bad because it only addressed damage but didn’t touch oh armour rating, buffs and healing which made it so supports more than ever was needed, but with no way to scale dmg high level fights were a slog.
Sdf after the second balance patch this wipe said that armour rating would be next but then they rolled back the changes.

I think it’s a pretty safe bet that most of the change we will see with this partial wipe are gonna be around balancing and the goal for the mid November full wipe will be a content update, from the timeline sdf laid out, quests line up with it and also we know they are working on a new map and as per last update would be ready around the end of October

[cerulean ruin]

Added a suggestion to the website about procedural map generation. Yes it might be too soon. But also Yes, playing a new session/playthrough will feel a bit more fresh every time, I'd love to see it.

[viscid cosmos]

Every modifiers give +1 max , the diff being the rariy of the item , that could decrease the gear diff

[nova drift]

it would be nice if there was a wall of shame server where we could upload clips of -not discussions- but people saying things like racial slurs or being super toxic when the other person wasn't even talking with them.

[quasi sparrow]

just an idea, you can put up a bounty of yourself with a gear set. Other players can challenge you for your gear, both players accept like a trade but its a 1v1 arena colosseum duel to the death. Winner takes the other persons gear set (you can put gold in too)

[old jackal]

@keen onyx This is a full document with all my recommended Bard changes and new skill ideas. I hope you at least look at this document and give it consideration Thank You! https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSZSz9Q0-Cug7KZMf60DKClqBPL4YiBV6F7hJ8tELtcJuGyOyZA3KlL-6705ufFoh-PJAk-u2cbCDCp/pub

[vernal hedge]

id rather those people have no public avenue, some people would take it has a badge of honour to have their clip posted there, same way you shouldn't name people which commit horrible crimes, just let them be forgotten and don't give them any source of glorification

[mellow sapphire]

anyone here shower? no? thought so

[nova drift]

game really needs 3v3 duel arena matchmaking give a way for people to jump in the game instantly and play not feeling like they lost something every time they go on to try to have fun

the same type of people that run dungeons would probably rarely play this mode if they dont see it as skillful or entertaining as a dungeon fight

[hardy niche]

What if rogues had a spell wheel to pick different types of poison to apply to their attacks? One to slow, one does damage, one slows casting speed, etc.

[velvet quiver]

Would be nice to be able to invite players who are already in a party to join you, or request to be invited to their party, or to have a friend system.

[nova drift]

i have a better idea, can we get a way for us to mute others in game and for them to see we muted them (like an invisible headphone appears next to your name only for them)

[vernal hedge]

like muting enemies or teamates?

[nova drift]

i mean whoever you want to i guess enemies tho

i want to remove the satisfaciton of the trolls

[vernal hedge]

you can mute them but it's either all or none, would be a weird implementation because how would you know their name, and how or why could they see you've muted them back, wouldn't it be better to have them waste their voice to the walls?

[mellow cosmos]

What y’all think about a new vendor called like Beggar or Soup Kitchen where you could get any grey item base for free

[vale igloo]

I created a quick google sheet with an idea for balancing item stats. I separated the stats based on my own opinions but it could be done using wipe data to see which stats are actually primary, secondary, tertiary. Also, this system would give "dials" to Ironmace to be able to tweak and test without a lot of changes. Thoughts or suggestions appreciated. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jeRxfwSYxYvOW3ucTB0fOGqZI4sxqXulvt8u0zDU3jM/edit?usp=sharing

[coral sable]

Why not the attributes are pretty bare bones and fleshing them out maybe good plus for the barrel thing it's pretty silly that there's an exception that rogue can't break them.

[charred quartz]

I would like some sort of Queue system instead of the gathering hall to be implemented, games like Hunt Showdown have had good success with this. There’s only like 30 people in the gathering hall and a good chunk of them are just teamkillers. Also relying on discord just to find a team is lame af.

[north pewter]

Please make the first death swarm circle fill the whole map. Having to struggle to keep up with it if you spawn outside in base gear feels terrible

[fair hamlet]

can we please lower weapon damage and magical damage stats to match that of magical healing rolls on gear / jewels and also remove all crossbows/ crossbow related items from the game?!?! would be a prettty awesome patch day:)

[vale igloo]

What do you think about restricting certain enchants so they can't appear on items at the same time? Do you see my earlier tier suggestion for enchants?

[patent mauve]

The rogue can break barrels, you just need a pickaxe

[fair hamlet]

@vale igloo i did look at your post and your spread sheet. I dont believe your idea is a bad idea but would have to be tested for a extended period of time. Most players would enjoy what your suggesting. The only problem is how would that effect the economy if we saw gear overall being more "relevant" and "consistent" on average. Not a bad idea though, props to you for putting together a whole spread sheet as well=P Cant give a definite answer without testing but i dont hate it 🙂

[ripe turtle]

Since the Bard got nerfs once again (especially for recovery), I have made this new Bard song suggestion. Please leave a vote, if you agree with the suggestion!

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/490509/hippocratic-salvation-bards-new-song-suggestion

[abstract swallow]

goblin caves killed the gathering hall for good, but I'd probably use it more if you could queue/invite directly from it

[storm blade]

the rogue can mine 10 times faster than everyone else with that pick axe too

[grim saffron]

This is pretty nice but I think it would be really cool if a perk was added to allow Warlocks to use Evil Eye for an extended amount of time. It would really help with getting cinematic shots for video purposes.

[patent mauve]

How long does it last, I've never used it?

[dusky kernel]

Lasts 10 seconds

I actually quite like evil eye on ruins but I really wish it lasted longer

[solar radish]

I hope I'm not the only one who thinks this is a good idea, but I've been seeing that a lot of new players or just timmies have been complaining about the game not being playable right now before wipe because everyone they come across is uber geared. What if they had an End of Wipe Event where all the gear you can think of is available to purchase from vendors and a super discounted price, and make the last few days/week just a full on cage match. I think that sounds just stupid fun, tbh. And it hurts nothing because wipe is literally just a few days away, so all of it would be meaningless fun. (not this wipe, obviously. Futrure wipes) (Edit: and it doesn't even have to be the gear thing. just some really fun end-of-wipe-event that gets every player involved and having fun)

[dusk sky]

wipe the game on a regular cadence please

[scarlet creek]

I definitely would like end of wipe events similar to Tarkov. I would love to see a bunch of crazy gear on vendors for 1 gold each.

[scarlet creek]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504061/end-of-wipe-events

[tender wasp]

they should add high roller duos and leaderboards

[solar radish]

Ah bro, quickest upvote in my life. thanks for the link brother

[scarlet creek]

No problem, thanks for the idea. I completely forgot about end of wipe events. I definitely think it would be a great idea!

[solar radish]

Funny enough, I only ever get dragged into tarkov against my will (Don't really like it. I know, yikes lol) and I never play for more than like, a day or two so I didn't know about the tarkov end of wipe thing. That's honestly really cool

[scarlet creek]

I used to play a lot of Tarkov, but I got burnt out.

[sturdy igloo]

High roller should be free, and high roller should be the only place you are allowed to use gear and can find gear besides merchants. Normals is for nakeds that wanna do gold runs with the only loot being sellables. Normals should give 150g on average. High roller should increase to 24 players with 24 portals total. There we go pvp mayhem that everyone enjoys with loot and inferno would always be filled with atleast 2 teams. If there is 6 players left at any time all blue portals should dissapear and in the same place it should spawn red portals forcing atleast 2 teams per game to go inferno. Portals should be easier to find and barely anyone should die to dark swarm cause a portal wasnt found. For every player that dies after 2nd last and last circle 5 seconds should be added to the circle timer. This would prevent the last circle 10 man death that always happens and nobody gets the loot. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504066/high-roller-fix-suggestion

[viscid steeple]

Buff mimic loot

[coral sable]

Thats good but even so point still stands, still a weird exception

[vale igloo]

So... how would one get good gear to go to HR?? Just limiting normals to sellables would mean that no one could gear up before going to HR and when you do go to HR, you get crushed by anyone who has been able to make it out. Also, normals would have no PVP incentive if you can't loot good gear. Nobody would risk their sellables on a chance that the group you're fighting would have enough sellables to make it worth fighting

[sturdy igloo]

U buy from trading post or merchant lol? Or u just naked run with couple of greens.

[sturdy igloo]

Your pvp incentive is higher in in high roller ofc. But the pvp incentive still exist, your inventory can hold 250g, but the point is on average people should find 150g. If you kill someone you get out with more gold.

[vale igloo]

I feel like your suggestion is to just change the core nature of the game to make it less of "An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure." (description for the DaD website). The issue with Normals is not that you can find gear, it's gear balance. Once gear is more balanced, we'll start seeing skill become more of a factor in PVP encounters.

[sturdy igloo]

What you are saying is confusing right now. "An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure." this exists in high roller, not in normals. Issue here is everyone wants to play normals cause its way easier and high roller is thus dead. So lets make high roller free and the most interesting in terms of pvp and loot while normals stays as a preparation for high roller. High roller is the definition of "An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure."

[vale igloo]

Right... but that description is of the game as a whole. It's not meant to be easy. I'm not saying there aren't issues with balance or that circle timings may need adjusted but both Normals and HR are supposed to be hard. As I understand it, the intention of HR is to be a high risk/high reward version of Normals. Also, I think the reason HR is dead is that the rewards don't outweigh the risks of running into players using exploits (teaming with a solo who dies then spectates the other teams for info) or flat out cheaters who are gold farming. The fee for HR actually HELPS make PVP in HR more interesting because, as the earlier test with free HR, it discourages naked rats and means most people who play HR will have decent gear and be a good reward.

[restive aurora]

Yo listen Devs. I understand wanting to test and balance your game. but yall have been changing way too much. the game was at its peak in playtest 3 if you ask the majority/remainder of your long-standing player base.
Balance is important but looking at games like world of warcraft that have been out as long as my life, balance is just a flavor of the month. (one class may be better than it was last month etc) Taking this into account maybe stop doing such dramatic changes to your game...
Look at tarkov. EVERYONE DIES. they change NOTHING. its a huge hit still. bad players are gonna die and good players are gonna live more. thats the bottom line. this game is gonna be shut down and replaced if yall dont start mimicking hits like you've stated you'd do in the past.
It's GREAT that you guys listen to the community but maybe take a few steps back..

[tepid cargo]

Can we get a Universal Stash for all the boys that Hold the Line @dawn grotto It sucks that I have to trade my buddy... lets say like 100+ times

[grim saffron]

Should be 10 seconds. Sorry if you already read that XD

[uncut minnow]

yo , can i play DnD but with macos ? (macbook pro M1)

[wooden zenith]

Actuall Suggestion: Make a community event which is actually playable for people other then preselected individuals or random few people out of all the players. Like a "Loot-Goblin" type new mob that spawns around different times / maps randomly. Or some PvP Only collectible that can be traded for a cosmetic skin or something in the sorts of that. At the moment all so called " Community events" were and to this point still are very poorly plannend. The "Warden" Event blew completely for obvious reasons and wasnt accessible for 99.9% of the Players. The Upcoming "Tournament" where there is no way to enter it (Like what dafq??) also will not make anyone want to play the game more. "Community" - events should be about the community, and let them take a part in it... Maybe consider something like that, thanks.

[narrow yacht]

the difference in tarkov is no matter how good of gear someone has a timmy or noob can kill them with flesh rounds to the arms/legs, there is nothing to compensate the gear difference in DaD like there is in tarkov. not to mention in tarkov if someone isnt wearing a face shield you can one shot them in the face with a pistol, but again nothing in DaD can act the same like that in tarkov. similar genre completely different concepts

[small furnace]

I do agree with that. The warden event was pretty terrible and the tournament is definitely less about actual players and more about streamers. An event that the average player can participate in would definitely be better.

[dusky ingot]

using wine, but on intel based macs idk about arm

[neat hearth]

please temp ban people who abuse the wizard melee animation bug 🤓

[graceful frost]

They got better things to work on than community events imo

[foggy sparrow]

Make traps more visible, it makes sense for them to have holes
not just a ring on the wall or phasing axes

[elfin vale]

huge suggestion: delete all channels where anyone can type at all 👍

[dry glacier]

Anyone else think it would be a cool idea for them to make a limited amount of unique items? Like the 9 rings of power

[pine comet]

Wow, can’t wait for someone to hoard all of them and use them on last day of wipe letting nobody ever use them

[weary wing]

what about the rogue perk who already help for it

[foggy sparrow]

It has
nothing to do with my suggestion

[dry glacier]

Like how smeagol hoarded the one ring in the depths of middle earth for years?

[pine comet]

Fr fr

[dry glacier]

I'd be fine with it. I'm more so thinking for a future event or whenever they implement this quest system as a kind of reward/bounty for some seemingly impossible task

[pine comet]

Im down with it if you can’t stash it

[dry glacier]

It wouldn't work in the pvp focused way the game is now but hopefully that changes with updates that give players something else to work towards

[pine comet]

Or trade it, if you wanna store it you gotta say goodbye to that account for the wipe

[dry glacier]

What this game really needs is a hideout to build up

[pine comet]

What this game needs is a raiding system where you can rob peoples stashes

[foggy sparrow]

tarkov

[bronze pulsar]

What this game really needs is a monk #makeamonk

[foggy sparrow]

yes i want a class that is master in stickjitsu

[modern night]

A monk running through you spinning a quarterstaff at lightning speed might just make the game great

[bronze pulsar]

Quarterstaff is an obvious one, but i want class specific gloves that add different punching move sets, maybe even boots that add kicks, if not a kick skill

[past oyster]

What stat do i prioritize as a solo if i could only get access to 1 stat

[scarlet creek]

As a bard? Agility to play faster and move faster. +All is important as all stats are good on bard

[solar radish]

This has more than likely been said before, but we need to be able to report people in trade. Easiest way to get rid of the irl gold-for-money scum

[hardy vector]

rework armor rating and pdr

rework magic resist

rework cleric healing

nobody should have 80% pdr, its super unfun to go against, especially when u cant play the shit that counters it cuz they have a ranger

[azure radish]

Hellfire should open doors in hell 🧌

[graceful frost]

And touch magic dmg and wpn damage. ESPECIALLY magic dmg

[rain knot]

Add an upper torse skeleton or zombie that crawls on the ground and grabs ur ankles causing a slow or root til you kill it

[soft nebula]

what is wrong with you

[gusty schooner]

1. add gear score with high value on metrics you know everyone wants (ex weapon dmg) 2. make hr require a certain gear score. 3 profit

[echo wharf]

all the magic in this game needs to be reworked. purple gear wizards and warlocks are untouchable

[wooden token]

Gear score can only be determined by market. By measuring lots of items with similar mods, to find a proper price for this one, that is the score.

[tepid cargo]

Bigger Stash + Barbs can use Round Shield ❤️ IRonmace

[smoky iris]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504171/add-diminishing-returns-to-damage-scaling

[autumn socket]

PLEASS ADD SILVER COIN BAGGG

[cerulean ruin]

QoL change that they can implement tomorrow. (probably)

When you sneak, other controls seem to be ignored.

Sneak (walk button) + Interact (lanterns/doors) the interact is ignored.

[tiny wigeon]

Put all your focus on the gold selling and Chinese farming groups ruining high roller.
Regardless how balanced or what changes u guys make, the game won’t survive long term if, cheating , botting and gold selling isn’t fixed.
The bigger the game gets the more attention it will get from these people , we must find a way to stop or slow it down a lot.
If top players aren’t going into high roller because they face 3 Chinese teams that are farming together, they will join normal lobbies and stomp, pushing the average Joe away from the game.
Region lock your servers, if you have Chinese IP , u can only queue for Chinese region , same with EU and NA, it’s not a 100% fix but it will slow some of the botting down

I also think that gear should matter less, if gear doesn’t make your character 5-10x stronger, people are less inclined to buy gold

[glad salmon]

I agree with most of your statement except making gear matter less what's the point of the grind If i can't get OP gear.. I do think named items special effects could be toned down a bit but that's about it .... as a ranger player they should nerf bow damage by a bit

[vernal hedge]

i believe they have mentioned that region locking in not possiblee currently has due to the lawsuit in korea they have very limited choices when it comes to their hosting

region locking eu/na servers is also a steadfast way to lose plenty of players has you've now made it impossible(or without resorting to workarounds) to play with friends across the pond, it would be a very miniscule change that would end up hurting the normal joe more than the people looking to abuse the game.

[vernal hedge]

but it's something that sdf has at many occasions mentioned will happen, added damage on gear being one of the things that will be reduced.
you can still be strong, but theres no need to be over powered and able to one shot most classes in the game

[glad salmon]

I would argue that I should be able to I dont want the same type of gameplay from when I first started playing to the end at the start of the game I have to shoot somebody like 7 times to kill them but by the end it's usually 2 or 3 shots this forces players to play very differently and makes me feel like the game changes as I play it which to me is very enjoyable .... I do agree though ranger is a little too strong right now but I think it's better to nerf bow damage then modifiers

[vernal hedge]

well, it's not the direction the devs want to take the game.
they want to reign in the ammount of added damge you are able to stack on gear to balance ttk, which right now is too low.
bringing the top end and low end close together will still allow for you to be plenty powerfull but will also make it that someone lower geared than you can ave a fighting change, IMO this would make the game much more enjoyable because right now unless im facing equally geared people everything dies in 3 hits

I don't understand what you mean here"I dont want the same type of gameplay from when I first started playing to the end at the start of the game I have to shoot somebody like 7 times to kill them but by the end it's usually 2 or 3 shots "

[restive aurora]

bro what i have clips of me in lvl 5 surviving 14 shots from lvndmark (one of the top streamers when i played idk ab now?) and i killed him in ab half the shots. (we barrel stuffed each other) there is definitely shit like that in tarkov. but yeah sure. compare wearing no helmet and swallowing a bullet to ppl grinding for 12 hrs straight to get in cracked purple gear

[vernal hedge]

and how many times did you one tap a juiced mutant play, or meta hk? or been one tapped in the same way?

What he is saying is completely right, with the specific hits boxs in tarkov a low geared player can 1 shot the most juiced player which serves has an equalizer. but him being right doesnt invalidate you case
even the best helmet in the game can easily be one tapped by someone risking 50k roubles

[glad salmon]

At the start of the game teams can just stay 50 feet away and shoot each other over and over or you can just rush a team as a fighter in the later stages to rush as a fighter you need buffs and it still might not work or if u stay at range and blast from 50 feet chances are someone's gonna die so you have to change your gameplay to account for this which makes the game more fun to me

[real needle]

Double hp values. The devs dislike healing as they want combat to feel more detrimental and the player base is suffering from feeling like garbage when they get one tapped by lobsters.

Double base and scaling hp, without changing literally anything else. No more one tap headshots (unless the most extreme situations), fights last longer in general allowing for more skill to be able to shine through AND healing will mean intrinsically less so their idea that fights should be scary and have detrimental effects will shine through.

Just an idea but seriously I think it would resolve 90% of the discourse around gear and certain classes being broken as the time to kill would at least double for most classes.

[sturdy igloo]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504066/high-roller-fix-suggestion

[narrow yacht]

If you survived 14 shots one of two things were happening. Either he was using flesh rounds and hitting armor which does virtually no damage or one of you were experiencing extreme desync. But like I said there is virtually no way for a noob/Timmy to counter a geared person in DaD like in tarkov unless they run ranger and you get stuck in a trap. Even then if you have 80% PDR the ranger won’t be able to kill you most of the time. Also hit reg in tarkov is iffy 70% of the time. Trust me I know how it feels. I have 2300 hours in tarkov

[real fjord]

please nerf the cleric

[obtuse lichen]

nerf every magical class

[lime dew]

ADD TRADE CHAT REPORT BUTTON FOR REAL MONEY TRADERS OR TRADE CHAT WARDENS PLEASE ITS SUCH A SIMPLE ADDITION TO SOLVE SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE GAME

EVERY TWO INPUTS IN THE TRADE CHAT IS A CHINESE TRADER ASKING FOR REAL MONEY

[ripe prairie]

people wouldnt buy items for money if there were easy ways to trade

people who buy items for $ have one thing in common they have $ and dont have time to trade in the obsolete garbage trade system

bring auction house ruin the sellers

[sinful flare]

Wtf you smoked bro? People buy with $ because they can’t get it themselves.
If you have some patience you can find anything you need in the market.

Plus, the fact that a lot of good items ends up selling for $ means there are much less available in the market to buy with game currency.

[vernal hedge]

what are you on about?
you can buy gold in runescape from jagex and from blizzard in wow, and people still buy it of illegal third parties

[sinful flare]

If they want to end this buying items with real $ problem, they need to buy the items themselves and then ban the account that sold it to them.
They might lose some money but they still got a profit off them by selling the game to them.

If they won’t take care of it right now, the game will have a huge market full of these guys

They might lose like 10k$ but it’s worth it and if they buy the game again to sell more items they keep making profit

[ripe prairie]

im just looking to advocate for an auction house any way possible

[sinful flare]

Auction house will be abused too by people who fake bidding for their friends it’s kinda obvious but ok

[vernal hedge]

they will always exist, just like cheaters, you cannot get rid of them as there will always be people interested on it specially due to the potential monetary gains
your suggestions to buy stuff of them to then ban them doesnt work all that well as you'd expect because these guy aren't buying the game themselfs, they buy stolen credit card info in order to buy accounts for peanuts on the dollar. and if that starts to impact it theyll move to do what cheat developers have and make their services only available based on referals

[sinful flare]

Well if they abuse stolen credit cards then you need to have some of confirmation to buy the game.

And if they get on to all of the person’s personal information then it’s gg to that person and I would buy a yacht instead of a video game

[vernal hedge]

welcome to the world of credit card fraud, how do you think places like g2g exists

[sinful flare]

Ik but if you get to that level of losing your information the problem is with you or your credit card company, these traders will eventually get caught by the police.
That’s how the world works, but you can still buy items for low amount and ban the account and these traders will still lose money and it will make their life much harder.

Instead of selling the items they will have to buy the game 3 times a day

[real trellis]

Less than 1% of credit card fraud cases are solved by the police

[sinful flare]

They still have insurance tho, if they don’t it’s their problem tbh

[vernal hedge]

What dousiq said, if your information is stolen as an European citizen by someone in Russian or North Korea wtf is police gonna do?
Btw for you interest nk baked hacking groups make millions of this

They are spending money that isn’t theirs, and you are giving them our money
How does that seem to work for you?

[sinful flare]

Yes ik but if they would target them as I said and buy off them, eventually they will lose interest, time and money to do that.
If the game will be huge like fifa then it’s gg

[sinful flare]

If you go for a massive fraud of money the police eventually will come get you

[vernal hedge]

And then they move further underground an you can’t do shit, it’s a losing battle, you can reduce it but no game developer will ever be able to eliminate it without losing their core player base

[vernal hedge]

That’s wishful thinking, why would the police come after you when they can be getting bribed? 3rd world countries don’t care

[sinful flare]

They need to make it uncomfortable or unprofitable for them that’s all

[vernal hedge]

Uncomfortable sure, unprofitable no game has ever been able to do, why should ironmace?

[sinful flare]

Well if that’s the case gg, just make their life harder and maybe try to sue them internationally

[vernal hedge]

Suing has had some success for cheat providers, but these are also group moving 100,000’s of $

[sinful flare]

Ofc but suing is the only thing you can legally do

[vernal hedge]

Which in it of itself is a massive drain of resources an may end up in it being a waste has the company is based in some dubious fiscal paradise and you can’t reach them

Only company that has success suing cheat providers was dice or bungie if I recall, so multibillion dollar companies

[sinful flare]

FIFA sued a lot of coin sellers I know that for a fact

[vernal hedge]

Have they? Can’t find any info on that

While if I look game company sues cheat provider I instantly get the bungie success story in sueing a cheat provider for 4.4m$

The only thing I can find is people getting banned for selling, and stories about groups which stole or hacked accounts to get coins
Nothing about sueing sellers

[neat hearth]

Suggestion: You must complete assigned quests (ie. "Kill that cruel goblin mage who turned me into a newt!.... What? I got better"; "open a lion's head chest for me"; player bounties, etc) in High Roller [EXTREMELY IMPORTANT] in order to unlock the additional stash

[naive elk]

Reposting

• Give the community a roadmap, so this way we can at least have something to waiting for instead being at darkess without knowing what devs plans to the game at long run, the game is in development, but give your players some "credibility" proofing that the devs have something in mind to the future or at least expose what are the plans.

• Add a NPC or the function to the Treasurer in his "Services" area to convert our Gold Coin in "GOLD BAR" (Not Ingot), each Gold Bar would be equal to 1000G or 5000g and would stack until 5. Wouldnt be charged any tax to convert the gold, but to turn the gold bar in Gold Coin again would be charged a 5% of the value to help with gold sink in the game.

• Remove the Weapon Damage stats from any gear, keep it only in Weapons and Rings, this way the game will be less focused in stack those stats and reduce the "one-hit-kill" meta we do have currently, giving more space to fights duration and time to reaction.

• Add some personality to our current Rarity System, some ideas I have is to didnt allow to any stats in all any rarity. For example, Weapon Damage +3 should only be possible in legendary, Rare Gear should only be possible have Weapon Damage +1 and Epic Gear +2, we really need to have a disparity in gear power other than the numbers of rolls. This way epic and legendary gear really would be expensive and worth to use/craft.

• Add new craftable gear, theres too many craft material that didnt have any use, being able to craft gear with what you found in the dungeon should help new players and also movement the craft market, aswell giving another option to gear that we can use in our runs.

• Give new functions to Silver Coin, let us exchange for supply like Bandage or Potions. Honestly Silver Coin currently is just "gold that occupies another slot", If you remove them from the game nobody would even feel they're missing, because theres no use or funcion to be used, so please, lets us use the Silver Coin for something.

[tepid pebble]

Solution to buffball : Give barbarian -90% buff duration

[rancid pebble]

What about cleric or fighter buffball?

[prime thicket]

what about an invis hasted warlock with 200headshot dmg?

[ripe turtle]

What do you guys think of healing percentages on healing potions and bandages? Also keep in mind that these percentage values could be different to different (Fighters and Barbarians get lower percentage values). Leave a vote for my suggestion if you like the idea!

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/501166/changing-potion-and-bandage-healing

[brave vale]

Suggestion: Take a more proactive stance on banning people who are so brazenly selling items for real money in trade chat.

I've seen more people selling items for "r" and "rmb" than gold in chat right now it's absurd.

[brave vale]

Solution is make wizard's haste/invis self cast only

[sturdy igloo]

That would just make barbarian broken. Im guessing you are a new player. We already had this issue.

[sturdy igloo]

That would just kill wizard in any team comp. Problem is barbarian being too strong with haste invis. Fix would be individual buff duration percentages. Cause even if barb cant be buffed anymore it would now be fighter... and then cleric and then next class.

[brave vale]

Wizard would still be strong, but as buffball wizard. See Kimchi as prime example

Honestly, one easy fix is to kill damage mods on gear... cut in half or limit to specific item slots (e.g. weapons and jewelry only)

[sturdy igloo]

Im not saying wizard would be weak. im saying there would be no point playing with a wizard. Ofc if you are buffing wizard it doesnt matter cause you are depending on the wizard to do the killing.

[brave vale]

The problem is Barb is overtuned right now, especially with war maul having insane impact power

When a barb with 200hp, 50% pdr, and 40% mdr runs in with haste invis ignite and just deletes a team pressing W, it's going to be a bad time

[sturdy igloo]

ok yeah there we go u starting to get it.

I have to agree that buffs on any character is just stupidly strong, but barb is special.

Bard even through the giga nerfs is still viable thanks to his buffs on teammates.

[brave vale]

That and crossbow tbh lol

[sturdy igloo]

Yeah crossbow is stupid, so is warmaul and windlass crossbow, and longbows. Especially with the +25 dmg modifiers we could get. A longbow could do 400 dmg in 1.5 seconds from long range. Just cause someone isnt likely to headshot 3 times in a row doesnt mean its balanced.

[brave vale]

Removing damage from most gear (say only weapons and jewelry can get it) will help a bunch

Magic will still have a place to counter PDR fighter

[sturdy igloo]

One thing that should happen is that you should only be able to have 1 dmg modifier on a purple/item, and not 3 dmg modifiers on a purple/item. It has to give you something else. But the issue with this is, then greens would be broken.

[brave vale]

oh yeah, padded tunic with 3wd would be bis lol

[sturdy igloo]

Just nerf dmg to +1 on an item and it would be balanced. But we did this and all the streamers cried that killing someone and getting +1 dmg items wasnt exciting enough.

So then we are back to dmg being atleast +3 but only one roll of dmg, and greens can have maybe +1? So we just say fk greens.

[brave vale]

This. Ironmace's primary concern was "TTK was too low", so they fixed it and people were like "waaaa I can't kill a team in 3 seconds this sucks" so Ironmace panic reverted

[sturdy igloo]

Exactly

Another way would be going +1 dmg, but giving like +4 agility but less move speed scaling in that case, +4 knowledge +6 resourcefulness, like just giga buff the other stats basically. Only issue here is theres not many stats, its only those 3, strength and will gives damage.

Perhaps just removing all types of dmg increase is the way to go and just having items that give upwards of 6 knowledge 6 agility 8 resourcefulness 6 strength 6 will, but removing the dmg increase that strength and will gives. We would still need new stats to be added to the game this way but this would be more exciting i guess to find a rare 6 agility gear piece than just a plain 3 agility one.

[compact musk]

how are you supposed to build a kit if no body is listing anything and merchants have nothing

[brave vale]

People are listing things, be patient. Wipe is tomorrow lol

[sturdy igloo]

maybe cause game is wiping tomorrow

[split estuary]

🇷 🇪 🇲 🇴 🇻 🇪 🇹 🇷 🇦 🇩 🇪 🇵 🇴 🇸 🇹 🇦 🇩 🇩 🇦 🇺 🇨 🇹 🇮 🇴 🇳 🇭 🇴 🇺 🇸 🇪

[ripe turtle]

Did you read my comment? I mentioned there could be different percentage values so that tanky classes cannot abuse the healing via potions or bandages.

[lone crescent]

Guys stash expansion confirmed according to Onepeg

We will be able to buy it with gold as a placeholder until they add quests

[abstract swallow]

ew

[naive elk]

I dont think %+ base value could be a way, but probably a crude %, like White HP potion heal 10%, green 13, blue 17, purple 21, etc. Since STR already pump the HP of all class and give damage, giving more motives to stack STR wouldnt be really a good thing to do.

[restive aurora]

my lvl 2 cleric friend just waxed a full lobster cleric lol.

[late dock]

Loot suggestion - If in a group with same players for 1hour+ you should be able to trade loot with each other free in Lobby? 🙂

[subtle blade]

Can clerics get a 1h weapon that isn't overhead->overhead->overhead?

[mellow axle]

No

[hardy vector]

make zap work with fire mastery

[steep cape]

WHERE DUO HIGH ROLLER AT

[short heath]

Ew

[ripe prairie]

Its not fair to new players that the past few wipes no levels reset.
there should be bonus experience until patch #2

[coral sable]

Highroller should be removed when the full 3 floor dungeon experience comes out (ruins 1st floor/ Catacombs 2nd floor/ Inferno 3rd Floor) the first floor would be the current Normal, 2nd floor would be Highroller and 3rd would be an even harder "High roller Plus" with mostly Nightmare tier enemies and even better loot. Additonally a couple options to skip floors, maybe an Item from the merchants that summons red portals as well as a potential shrine that also summons them. The leaderboards would track the 2nd and 3rd floors.

[potent jay]

Stashable but none tradable ticket system

[soft apex]

Take helpful UI elements like the minimap and the compass and remove them from the UI. Repurpose them into utility items that let you view a full map of the dungeon (no indication of where you are) and a compass that lets you figure out your facing relative to the map.

Maybe you have to buy or find these instead of starting with them.

[coral sable]

Here is the suggestion I made lto vote for if your up to it...https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504333/the-3-floor-dungeon-with-the-removal-of-highroller

[small furnace]

In a game with with a 'safe zone' and circle that kills you slowly for being outside of it this is a terrible idea. You NEED access to the map in order to survive.

[fast hill]

Solo self found queues. I'm sick of playing with teaming RMTers in Goblin Caves. I got killed by one and another ran up and gave them a campfire.

[hexed oar]

Suggestion: Putting a time on your updates would be nice, Would like to know when wipe is tomorrow so i know when to schedule my time of freedom in the day around it lol :3

[hexed oar]

and this. along with crypt map and ruins map being interchangable for trios/duos 😄

[abstract swallow]

tbh exp (and later, base merchant rep) should naturally increase the longer the wipe has been open

[foggy sparrow]

i like that idea but you are right about zone

[fiery lance]

Possible Suggestions:

1. scale back + weapon/magic damage a little more and increase magic/armor pen

2. Newbie lobbies that only allow starter gear and are capped at green drops maybe occasion blues off lions/min bosses and maybe a slight chance for a purple of horde/bosses

3. Put a bigger focus on balancing risk/reward on some the content I mean i see 90% player base cheese cockatrice/wrath/champs
   Prob controversial maybe a new pot that can only be looted. used in starter lobby that reveals players on mini map for 15-20 seconds(don't work vs invis/stealth)

4. Maybe add a reroll system you pay X gold to reroll one stat on any green items to allow people to min max greens little more you only get one effect so I don't feel a reroll on the green stat line will be overly powered.

I don't know if any of these are good ideas but, maybe one or a few can be used as a starting point to balance things. IM has done a decent job so far given the court battles and trying to keep players happy but, I feel sometimes they way over correct just to revert stuff I would rather see slow down scaling them the wild swing from over powered to under powered.

[frosty vine]

Wait, it is? Didn't it JUST wipe?

[scarlet creek]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504061/end-of-wipe-events

[echo dome]

region rock china please. make them trade bot each other.

[atomic yacht]

add lizardman tomorrow

[silk bramble]

Rogues should be able to lock doors

[granite bison]

No

[past pilot]

could someone please fix the announcement and change the time to a dynamic timestamp? any mods or staff?

[jagged flicker]

+weapon damage should be limited to Weapons/Jewelry

[vernal hedge]

theres nothing to fix, you can't put timestamp for something that has no set hour to realease

[blissful herald]

Iron Mace should implement a Basic Universal Income

[granite plinth]

to much work for no reason

do we have a time on wipe? ik last wipe it didn’t release till a day after

[sinful flare]

@keen onyx it’s the 27th in Australia when wipe??

[twilit anvil]

End of 26th UTC

[sinful flare]

How do you know that?

[twilit anvil]

They say 26th UTC in announcements and always update as late as they can

[sinful flare]

Usually yes, but I also seen them updating in the middle of the day and usually they announce it right before the update not a week in advance

[granite plinth]

last wipe was 12 hours after they said

so don’t expect it today or expect it at like 4 am tonight

[ripe prairie]

we know you have the patch notes

[twilit anvil]

Yeah no shit but who cares they will come in a few hours

[hazy tulip]

all forms of damage add should be nerfed by 25%. Thoughts?

[granite plinth]

can’t just do a base % cuz scaling is different if u remove 25% dmg from wizard vs fighter it just makes fighter 3x better cuz less magic damage against them and they don’t even need to do as much damage

and that just makes abilities way better, like edrich shield and blow of corruption

[blissful herald]

Huh, I was expecting a different response. It would be exceptionally easy to implement. Just give people x gold lol

Now it’s a silly idea but still, I was hoping for a silly response

[hazy tulip]

Idk. Devs said wizard was overperforming in a patch where they had less magic dmg add, like when they had +3 magic at most. Now they have +4.
What im thinking is that the scaling with + dmg stats is kinda too much.

[granite plinth]

wizards have been over preforming but it’s not as simple as just removing damage, if you nerf wizard you indirectly buff other classes so what you need to do is something like make them squishier and make them a real glass cannon, or make it so knowledge and will don’t stack as much, or even give them less spells

[past pilot]

how can you make a class that gets 1-2shot squishier lol

"statcheck" gameplay will simply never feel balanced. it cant. if you want the game to feel "balanced" you need to give the players skill expression and counterplay to stuff. i dont think thats the way this game wants/needs to go since its a rock paper scissor class system for the most part.

[hazy tulip]

True. They need to adjust more than just dmg add. Im thinking about rogue too tho. At the moment a naked rogue might be the worst class, but a bissed out rogue scales incredibly hard with dmg add since he hits so many times a second

[granite plinth]

they def don’t get two tapped, and they already have a static hp and pdr/mr so what you do is reduce a couple of the stats, that way they’re easier to kill

[past pilot]

they def do. I have been 1 tapped with full purple set as wizard 2 times by archer.

[granite plinth]

they were probably stacking weapon damage another issue in the game

[hazy tulip]

Its just kinda strange how matchups go depending on what lvl of gear is equiped. Naked rogue vs naked barb is alot more favourable for barbarian compared to bis rogue vs bis barb. Im thinking strictly in a 1v1 situation

[granite plinth]

remember that the iron mace devs don’t like where the direction of the game is going either, so they will most likely change a lot of the stuff in the current game

[past pilot]

yes he did stack weapon dmg. that doesnt change the fact that wizard can certainly get 1 shot right now. so the solution isnt to reduce wizard hp/dmg but to decrease the dmg increase cap.

[granite plinth]

most of the game is 3v3 and that’s something else too, rogue is very weak as a starter class but they scale a lot better than barbarian, rogue is also much harder to play than barbarian

[hazy tulip]

Yet wizard is in like every meta comp. Most outrages thing ive encountered is simply a bard with peacemaking and wizard. If you dont have a wizard urself what are you able to do? Only run.

[granite plinth]

you can’t cherry pick one situation, i’ve been in a full 85% pdr set and 30% mr set as a fighter and get 2 tapped by a naked wizard, arguements can be made in both directions, you go off general game play not certain situations

[hazy tulip]

Yeah what im saying though is shouldnt it be reasonable that all classes scale equally as much with gear? Its probably really hard to do tho.

[granite plinth]

wizards only been in meta comp recently because of barb buff ball, nerf barb and he will be out of comp again

[hazy tulip]

Well recently is all that matters i guess. And i supposed gear scaling has to be adjusted due to team comps as well.

[granite plinth]

remember that during play test 3 and 4 the devs said that they do want there to be metas, just not game dominating ones, so they want to have certain classes be a meta. so it everyone scales equally does it really matter what class you play?

this game is in a very bad state, it grew to a scale much larger than the devs expected, with their current wants of the game and the size of their dev team

[hazy tulip]

What im saying is you shouldnt feel handicapped or know your just fucked if you run into the wrong comp. Sure there can be metas with stronger or weaker comps, but like the devs say, not completely dominatinig ones. Idk the more i think about the harder it sounds to balance anything

[granite plinth]

very much agreed, it’s probably really hard for them because they know they need focus on that but a million other things also and that probably takes up a lot of their time and energy

like their trying to release new content without balancing their current content

[hazy tulip]

Just as a quick example. you know if your playing pdr fighter your gonna have a nice time vs anything except magic dmg. So if you run into a wizard your team is like down a player. You havee crossbow but that doesnt really compensate since ur down a frontline and theirs is charging you.

[granite plinth]

actually that’s suprisingly not true, barbarians have more dps and range than a fighter so they also beat fighter, and fighters don’t really have projectile reduction so rangers hurt, and clerics also hurt with smite (current meta) warlocks are pretty shit tho

now with more options for a magic useable character they should up scaling on pdr a smidge and bring back 95%

[hazy tulip]

I feel that. fighter countered by warmaul, frontline/magic dmg cleric, wizards and warlocks. Not in a good spot.

[granite plinth]

hasn’t been since EA

[hazy tulip]

I wouldnt mind if they make him more tanky on all fronts and remove a lot of dmg. Dont know how that would pan out but personally i think tanking is fun.

[granite plinth]

wouldn’t be a bad idea especially cuz taunt is a perk so that could make it more viable, only issue is that it buffs stuff like ranger and wizard of which don’t need buffs

also makes gobby cave fighter a lot worse, maybe add a perk that makes it so plate armor scales better

[hazy tulip]

ahhh its so much we could do this but then that would happend and the devs would need to nerf this and buff that. Man i feel for the balance team lmao.

[granite plinth]

must be rough

[merry kestrel]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504469/skill-wheel-more-class-identity-easier-balance

Allow martials to be cool but also let spellcasters continue to be cool

[near turtle]

normal game max green items and free highroller with rank

[pale gorge]

My suggestion is that they give a set wipe time, Rangers should be the only class with range, as rogues should be the only class with INVIS, as bard with buffs, cleric with heals, and wizard with spells, they need to un mix this mess

[frigid merlin]

terrible idea

[merry kestrel]

make a suggestion and get people to vote on it
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[surreal moat]

I feel like there should be two distinct types of loot in the game. Similar to tarkov, i think we should have loot that it found in each run, and loot that has been bought in the trade guild. With this distinction, we can split the player lobbies by those who are running found loot from those who are coming into raid with specific decked out loot. Each piece of loot traded from the guild becomes marked loot, and if you attempt to enter a raid with marked loot, you will be put in lobbies with others who have the mark. I feel like this would even the playing field and make the game have a lower time to kill as you wouldn't be able to gather loot that stacks the perfect stats as easily.

[pale gorge]

SCAV entry would be random but I’d totally dig it

Maybe a hideout where you can generate money

And perhaps they should add guns to the game too

[eager sleet]

I mean I expected guns to show up at some point tho they are gonna have to be super good with how much noise they make

[merry kestrel]

they'll have to be kinda bad with long reload times and be extremely loud to make up for the high impact and hitscan nature of them

[eager sleet]

Basically a better windlass

[frigid merlin]

Stop focusing on ranged weapons they need a harder nerf than idk what

[umbral coral]

id like to suggest another tier to the current dungeons, a "naked" tier, players can only enter with base kit. i feel this would add a slight arcade like aspect. normal lobbies have teams with full kits, nothing wrong with it, but people who have little time to play regularly have little to no chance. the maps and the game is very fun, and i feel this would retain players who cant play all the time.

[real sorrel]

Has anyone else noticed an increase in players using the ESP cheat? I've been watching games a lot after I die etc and I have seen how players are cheating...any comments? BTW anyone who uses cheating has to be the biggest POS twit who ruins the game for others..

I just hope the cheating doesn't get so bad it becomes like EFT where the developers don't really care about cheats as long as they are making money. Thats why I stopped playing EFT even after buying the full edition...

[umbral coral]

i agree, i heard teams have a player load into their lobbies, to die and spectate the lobby for them

[real sorrel]

I was talking about ESP but yea that does occur I bet. What I mean is players can find someone when its impossible without the ESP cheat.

[umbral coral]

i understand what you mean, its still cheating tho. the players using esp and exploiting truly are ruining the game

[exotic elm]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502751/fighter-skill-modifications

[cold creek]

Make something with naked rouges in High roller lobby's, for now main rule of HR is not even working. High risk = high reward, but how naked rouges can be risking if they come full naked trying to sneak and extract.
Lobby's are just 1-2 geared team and other 9-12 people are naked rouges...
Very upset

[pale gorge]

hahaha

[foggy sparrow]

Nice gonna be waiting for AKs and M4s with modifications

[nimble igloo]

a flintlock or blunderbuss maybe with similar damage to crossbow could be cool but would need much balancing

[atomic yacht]

artificer with guns would be heat

[nova basalt]

small rework to trade market, so all the capes and multi class gear(like boots , pants, gloves) can be sold in one place. Now its annoying having to go look through diffrent trading markets and loosing some good deals and time

[somber adder]

Make a hangout lobby for hangout and ez trade

Might fluctuate the market slightly but the game will bring more players

[sturdy igloo]

What do you guys think about WIPE 26th of october 🚫 WIPE 27th of october ✅ ?

[dense sand]

the gear fearers finally realized they should have been wearing their best sets the whole time

[iron snow]

remove spectate mode from HR, give all weapons/shields a parry animation, only have +phys/weapon damage on weapons, remove HR cost but make it more populated, add a mode without the circle

[hollow vigil]

Communicate with comunity about wipes etc.

[long oriole]

Perhaps a loot able item that allows one free game in high roller? Personally I would have their chances of finding one similar to lockpicks. Name them in theme of course "tattered note" or whatever. Idk think it's worth a shot at least

[near turtle]

normal game max green items can equip and free highroller with rank

[floral bison]

Just make the RS GE. I ain't got time or patience to peddle pixels, let me set up a sell price and leave and if people want it they can buy it or don't. Or, let me set up a sell kiosk a la Mabinogi and peddle my pixels that way. Let people PM or mail me if they want to negotiate, idgaf which just let me not waste time not playing the game.

[blissful fern]

I love this game but the updates and these frequent wipes are so poor, people get hyped thinking something is going to change and only more of the same comes, put a leaderboard with rewards for those who play HR and let the noobs kill themselves in the normal game,
make the game make sense even with frequent wipes

[smoky brook]

Bruv, this is early access. This is what you've paid for. Enjoy the journey of the game development through the good and bad patches. If you can't, take a break and come back after the Nov patch.

[lucid folio]

No changes to buffball, but they nerf boc that can be easily kited. They don't know what they are doing

[naive elk]

The game is EA, main problem is that the devs arent doing BIG PATCHES for now, but just adjusting some things here and there. Like I said before, 7 Days to Die is basically in a eternal EA, but they really take time to release a patch and when they do, normally things are really changed or reworkerd. Today patch wasnt bad, but I really think they should nerfed ranger dmg a bit. They nerfed crossbow, but didnt touch longbow or anything.
And I still thinking is a bad idea let people use gold ingot/golden keys as gold value, anyway.

@lucid folio BoC wasnt fair, even if is kited, the class already has damage with inferno, a way to block path, healing, DoT, phantomize, etc, etc. The class didnt need a skill strong as BoC, being able to one-shot mostly of naked class isnt far at all. But they really should touched in the buffball comp, at least try to shake a bit the "meta" and force players to play another way.

[Edit: They touched long bow, saw now, so ignore]

[uneven osprey]

im gonna play b4 i make any suggestions...this is just a suggestion.....also gear based matchmaking should be a thing full stop.

[atomic yacht]

add lizardman before halloween so we can dress up as scalies

[proven valley]

Can we get more detailed patch notes? A lot of players really like to see what modifiers got changed, what can and can't go together now etc

[small furnace]

Loot drops have been rebalanced. There will now be less loot drops overall. Worrying, hopefully they didn't set it back to what it was before the first loot improvement patch.

[abstract swallow]

honestly a huge improvement, hopefully it was as drastic a cut as it needed to be

[small furnace]

Idk man loot drops pre the first time they patched were significantly more boring and made the gear gap pretty big. I agree their first patch was overdoing it but I thought looting was in a decent place considering how many people were just trying to loot.

[scenic dock]

wtb no trade league 😄

[graceful sleet]

make hr hell bosses have higher chance to drop legendary - unique and revert lb system

[abstract swallow]

I could routinely loot more than I could carry out as a solo in Crypts, without hitting Inferno
it was way, way, WAY too much stuff, and of way too high rarities
I should not be pulling multiple purples in low roller crypts, especially not from generic chests in my spawn room

[small furnace]

Is that a problem tho? I mean I agree the economy was messed up, but I don't think it was messed up for the same reason as you do.

I think it's messed up cause of the introduction of gold bars, ever since those got introduced and have been freely and easily available in ruins the economy has been in shambles.

Which... of course they've done nothing about. So the economy will likely still be bad. I know I'll start my wipe out by filling a stash with free gold bars.

[visual pulsar]

So people loved the the buffed drops, made it worth opening stuff instead of flat bum rushing spawns. Aaaannddddd it’s gone

[atomic yacht]

add lizardman before halloween!!!

Give us scale and scalier!!!

[small furnace]

Well hol up, we don't know if they're gone yet or if they just toned it back again.

Gotta wait till the patch actually drops first.

[restive aurora]

Fixed location escape/down portals added to the Crypt for testing.
LMAOOOO PLEASEEEEE DO NOT IMPLIMENT THIS. I hope to god these areas arent connector rooms etc or else ppl are gonna camp them and its gonna be so aids for certain comps running from the zone..
entire patch note was like YES YES YES until I read this shit

[dusky kernel]

Added as in extra?
So there’s more escapes than before?

[restive aurora]

prolly not lol

[stiff haven]

There has to be a nerf to the rogue silence

[lucid folio]

they nerfed longbow and I think that buffball is more of a problem than ranger atm. BoC is totally fair since you can see it being activated, therefore getting hit by it is either confidence or lack of braincells, both should be punished and that ability did it well.

[flint rivet]

With the removal of excessive dmg stacking wouldnt that just push the buffball meta with a barb to be even more dominant. Bc barbs just stat stick and run everyone over with haste invis and other buffs while sporting a nice 250hp

[restive aurora]

yeah buff ball is definitely a much bigger problem than longbow but how do you nerf it without nerfing wiz or barb harder..
what they need to fix is the lack of footstep audio half the time when an invis barb is rushing u
ranger will hopefully become useless like bard now so enough ppl will cry to devs. surprised there isnt a quiver or something yet lol. why dont wiz bard and cleric have to carry rune stones or some shit. or some sheet music lol

im a wiz main anyway so f it keep nerfing everyones class but mine. just doesnt make sense

[small furnace]

Considering wizard was already more popular in the high meta comps than ranger as a burst DPS I sincerely hope that 'certain affixes can only appear on certain equip types' appplies to additional magic and true magic damage as well, and not just wep/phys/true phys

Cause it would definitely be entirely tonedeaf to be like: "Okay guys, there's too much damage stacking :3" and then leave magic damage stacking untouched.

[plucky remnant]

an idea to rework the trade stash is to merge multiple stashes and charge the tax for each stash, so that you can trade more stuff at a time while paying the appropriate taxes

for the inventory I recommend adding craftable chests, perhaps the objects to craft could be the wood and iron of broken crates and barrels in the game

[upbeat dust]

why not make a interaction whare you drag and drop a empty coin pouch to a gold chest/bag and it fills the pouch. it would be more convieniant then taking out 10 coins at a time

[north pewter]

I'd like in the future if they would revisit the idea of the 3 tier map and I might suggest a way to do it.

Three man game like crypts is now but it starts in the ruins. There's no dark swarm and the first level is an instanced smaller version of the ruins with only your team. You can loot up and fight your way to a spot that would lead down into the crypts as they are now where you can fight other teams, loot and find a way down to the inferno.

As soon as the boss in the inferno is killed, the game begins to end. The dark swarm appears and begins slowly moving in without stopping, and some enemies may even return from death to hinder your escape. Players will have about 2-3 minutes to find an escape or die.

Would be more guaranteed escapes like in GC in case teams chicken out instead of going down

Also if you queue solo/duo matches you with randos so you can make a friend (optional)

[hazy chasm]

I think you guys have your whiteboard of ideas backwards iron mace. Things are supposed to improve/become more efficient. Yet updates take longer. Maybe hire more staff or realize that trying to do too many things at once hurts more than it helps. Like does anyone really ask for a massive overhauling update that takes 2x as long as a prior update? Nope, pretty sure we just wanna keep enjoying the same game we always have, yet you insist on making it harder to do that each day.

[uneven osprey]

not everyone is a no lifer.....sitting in trade for hours. try hard and casuals never mix and cause games to die anyway. basically cuz the weekend warriors don't wanna get rolled by try hard andy's with no lives. make it a progression like earn your way to fight no lifers ;p sounds like a safer bet then the game dying cuz people don't have that kind of time to waste away at the game for weeks. wouldn't it be cooler to join into a wipe at any time and not have to worry about getting run down by no lifes in full epics, unless u yourself were at that level of the game?seems legit to me. grey can loot greens, greens can loot blues, blues can loot epics, and HR for chances at legendary. also fixed portals is a terrible idea, just sayin. make everyone happy all at once...let try hards fight try hards, and bambies earn there way to fight sweats. best moments in this game is early wipe....why not make it awesome for the whole wipe??

[small furnace]

They have a very silly system where you need to allow public messages on the discord server in order to receive warnings cause their bot will dm you the warning.

You probably just got a warning and it was blocked.

[zenith wave]

But like it said it was spam, when clearly I just wrote "pwease" with like 5 es and "gibes" with like 8 s.....? - all in a 8 SIMPLE word sentence...??
"pwease gibes update soon - graysun nim"

[small furnace]

Yeah, that's not allowed.

[zenith wave]

uhh? Not allowed to use word play to allow for emphasis in an online world where words have no verbal backing. I'm trying to mentally verbalize my words for the viewer - not sound like a text book. That's not allowed?

[grave veldt]

Please don't discuss moderation in the discord, you can always message a warden if you need help or didn't receive the warning, DM me and I'll look up why your post was deleted but Kira is correct modmail bot requires users to allow messages to keep up-to-date on warnings or mutes

[small furnace]

I don't make the rules, but them not wanting people to type like four or five letters in a word is consistent with how they've done things for awhile. Their bot usually tries to auto block that kind of stuff as spam.

[zenith wave]

I'm not trying to argue here. I'm just trying to understand the logic so I can go about my days not offending.

[willow berry]

using 3 is enough you dont need to spam 10 of it. youll show the point, and if the limit didnt exist people would send spam bloccs of the same thing

[small furnace]

Don't write words with excessive letters and/or allcaps then. You'll be fine.

[zenith wave]

So just sound like a robot. Got it.

[willow berry]

yep

[willow berry]

thats not what anyone said but aight

[small furnace]

I mean in general you can't say most swear words without the bot flagging you... I'm not saying it's a good set of rules but it's the rules.

[grave veldt]

Yeah it was blocked by the bot because you spammed s and e repeatedly

[grave veldt]

Just letting you know

[jovial wren]

Add more weapon types for cleric. Doesn't necessarily have to do a ton of damage or anything like that, but the variety of weapons that the cleric can use is very limited.

[grave veldt]

If you type ssssss or eeeee for example it'll pick it up

[small furnace]

Local mod bypasses filter in stunning abuse of power!

[willow berry]

aboos, we shall fight against inustice

[grave veldt]

Unfortunately has to be done to explain it it'll help anyone else reading it understand atleast the type of stuff that gets caught

[small furnace]

It's okay. I understand.

All people are equal, but some are more equal than others...

[willow berry]

eyboad is so boen cant type well so i sound lie a gato , apologies

[grave veldt]

[grave veldt]

Your R and K buttons seem a little broken there

[willow berry]

id what you mean

[grave veldt]

They didn't DM I had to explain it somehow

[small furnace]

Literally 1984

[grave veldt]

[stoic narwhal]

can we just get an SSF mode please, patch seems good though

[grave veldt]

O K

[small furnace]

What does SSF mean

[grave veldt]

Make sure to ask corny as many questions as you can that require the letters R and K for an answer

[stoic narwhal]

no trading, it takes like an hour or more of hardcore staring at trade chat so you don't get sniped to put together a decent set, more if you want to specialize in something like stacking flat hp, or move speed

[small furnace]

Oh yeah, I've said this before but I'd be down for them to do a test on that.

[stoic narwhal]

there's a reason all the top players have fences who handle all the trading for them, it's a terrible experience and the main reason I dont want to play the game

[small furnace]

I do agree trading is clunky af and I hope they do something to address how bad it is soon.

[willow berry]

i am a linguistics student (failed but we do not focus on this) , put the feeble attempts on me

[grave veldt]

Im going to get food but real quick, what was the name of Christopher Nolan's second or third batman movie

[abstract swallow]

I'm curious how bad the pharmacy meta is going to be now that we have stacking meds back AND unlimited meds.
Even at a higher price point, this just means pre-medding is back on the menu for every geared team; its removal was one of the healthiest non-gear updates they'd made.

[naive elk]

• Alchemist and Surgeon no longer sell out of health potions and bandages.

[abstract swallow]

that is part of what prompted this post, yes

[small furnace]

Med stacking isn't back, well, at least not the important one is. Pre medding was a problem when health pot rarities would stack with each-other. So people would go into a fight with like 5 health regen/s.

Also funny that guy is misinterpreting what it means and thinks he just showed you by posting that.

Anyway as a ranger player I think it's good lmao. I had no room to loot before because my inventory was entirely taken up by meds and arrows so I had room for like 1 cape to loot when playing geared.

[willow berry]

it was named the, and then it is the opposite of day, the men who fought to potecc the blue blood of the past in medival times, and what the pip do when excited men is excited @grave veldt

[naive elk]

Potions and bandages not being sold by NPC is inda a help to drain gold of the game. At least people will manage better and no just fill their inventory with them. Hope all pharmacy become more "expensive", aswell in the future thei introduce ways to craft better potions with better/extra effects.

[abstract swallow]

it's also much more significant with damage stacking nerfs and higher baseline defenses for even light classes
the PT3 attrition meta was "oneshot them or they heal to full", I'm worried we're gonna see the same thing dragged out over much longer fights, where classes that have burst damage are going to be king

[small furnace]

??? Dude you're misreading it.

"Not sell out" means they have infinite.

[naive elk]

Aw shit, serious?

[small furnace]

Guess we'll see, but I think with how nerfed both bandages and potions got since PT3 I think it'll be different this time. Esp with no rarity stacking.

[abstract swallow]

rarity stacking being gone is the saving grace for this, no disagreement there

[naive elk]

Welp, guess things goes to the opposite I said then.

[grave veldt]

How much of your keyboard is broken exactly but I applaud that attempt, I'm gona get food now and stop taking this channel off topic 😅

Have a good one everyone

[small furnace]

The point of this is probably to help newer players, cause geared stacks came in with inventories of meds anyway... now they're just more accessible to new players.

[willow berry]

It is yes to give u answe , aight enough off topic fom me now too

[naive elk]

Yeah, new players being able to carry more healing is always good. When I started in the game many times I died because my 3 potions wasnt enough, lol.

[small furnace]

Oh I'm talking specifically about the buying infinite meds. The only people that ever complained about the buy limit were people that would buy 3pots/3bandages, go in... immediately die then they can't restock cause of the 30 minute timer.

The stacking limit is definitely a QoL change that affects everyone, but geared teams the most.

[zenith wave]

nonono I totally understand and am not throwing a fit or bitching at all - I truly wanted to know wtf? So I could not wtf. 😄 I just tend to be a sarcastic jerk :X

[grave veldt]

All good not a problem at all honestly haha sometimes something innocent enough is blocked, I just wanted you to know why so you didn't keep wondering what was causing it haha

Nah you're all good don't worry

[zenith wave]

domo

[small furnace]

Good lord, now he's bypassing the 30 second message timer too. Is there any level of abuse this mod won't stoop to?

[zenith wave]

You forgot adding reacts.

[small furnace]

I hadn't even realized that was a mod privilege cause I don't try to react hahaha

[zenith wave]

🤣

[restive aurora]

yeah..completely removing +dmg would be a huge mistake but I do agree it needs to be altered.

[pine comet]

I just think that they have to start nerfing zap scaling

[small furnace]

Def not remove it, just make it consistent. We don't really wanna make wizards even more prevalent than they are in the highest level of play.

If we're nerfing damage stacking, nerf it across the board.

[restive aurora]

yeah..its just rough cuz its a fine line between nerfing someone in pvp and nerfing them in pve. if they removed affixes altogether like they said theyve considered they would definitely need to increase base dmgs or nerf HR mobs. im not gonna sit there and hit an HR mob 9 times to kill it fk tha
unless they make those mobs drop dummy good loot

[small furnace]

I mean that's just... yeah idk what to say honestly. Wizard has always sucked in pve unless you have a crystal sword and even then they don't feel that good in comparison to most other classes.

That's an issue that needs to be tackled on it's own.

[cunning scarab]

Wiz is fine in pve except for bosses, the boost to staff damage helped, but magic missle is king. I hope they don't remove random modifiers, would ruin the game for me I think. Part of the fun is finding gear with the right combo of stats for the build you wanna run. If we can't get random stats, how am I gonna run a magic fighter with a crystal sword to counter PDR stacks?

[neat hearth]

One or more Wardens/Staff scuffs the negative reactions every time. This is totally true. You should probably verify the age of all your volunteers..

[granite plinth]

ah the great rebalance is upon us, hopes are high, and my pee pee is flacid.

[signal cargo]

can we get some love for GREY GEAR ONLY LOBBIES idea. I think its the perfect solution to the gear disparity issue and i thing you would too. Lets get some upvotes: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504528/grey-gear-only-lobby#comment566191

[granite plinth]

i do enjoy some grey on grey hot steamy dungeon action with the boys

nothing like thrusting aggressively 15 times for the fight to finish

[hearty tulip]

Hey guys, here's a suggestion I just posted that was a friends idea! What do you guys think?

Fighter - Battle Master Maneuvers / Maneuver Memory

Grant Fighters their own "Spell Memory" abilities. However, rather than being spells, they're fighting "Maneuvers" that they can use in battle. Similar to some of the Maneuvers in Dungeons and Dragons.

Trip Attack, Bonus Physical Damage Strikes, Disarming Attack (reduce enemy physical power), Pushing Attacks, Parry (with weapons that don't traditionally have them), Rally (temporary extra HP), ect.

These are of course, only EXAMPLES of what COULD exist, but ideally, this would give Fighters other viable ability options than the traditional Sprint + Second Wind.

For example, you could end us seeing "Ten Spell" fighters that have two sets of Maneuvers Memory. Maybe having more Intelligence (Since Fighters have a decent amount baseline) could grant more possibility for memorizing more maneuvers.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504530/fighter-battle-master-maneuvers

[pine comet]

Gray gear lobbies is nostalgic, reminds me of the olden days of dark and darker where things got real hot and spicy and intimate with the enemy team

[lusty fractal]

not sure yet another split in the queues is a great idea

[signal cargo]

why not? people are leaving the game b/c their getting rolled by geared players. in essence it would add to the player base and those that left would return

[bitter mist]

no

[feral hedge]

ironman mode pleeeaaasssse, opt in and only queue against other ironmen, no trading post, only service tabs alloud in merchant and everyone has to use what they find. we would see alot less people in perfectly crafted kits and alot more random piecemeal gear. MAKE IT HAPPEN

[lusty fractal]

lol

[thin flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491199/starter-gear-only-lobbies

I have the suggestion here. It's crazy that people don't want this, but support an ironman mode which will literally SPLIT the player base perma... Just evidence that some people have no interest in this games longevity, probably some Nexon/GiG saboteurs fr

[exotic field]

Splitting the playerbase with only 10k active users is probably an awful idea

[bitter mist]

if you all want a starter gear lobby, just go play fortnite. it will be exactly the same experience

[thin flicker]

Adding a mode isn't splitting the player base. Creating an entire ironman system where you can no longer queu with other people based off a playstyle IS perma splitting the playerbase, and apparently "their working on it"👍

[modest rampart]

the entire game is based on getting better gear and extraction, whats gonna be the point of a gray gear only lobby lmao

[thin flicker]

For new people to learn the game and not just instantly quit. Even elden ring has an easy mode cough cough mimic tear

[signal cargo]

you would still get blues and such in the dungeon you just all start on a more even playing field. Sheesh read the link buddy

[deft epoch]

with all the new damage nerfs, killing fighters/barbs with pocket clerics is almost impossible. if damage stat stacking is gonna get nerfed everything needs to get nerfed including cleric heals.

[uneven osprey]

games dead because no lifers and meta andys play this game to roll timmies in grey to feel big. weekend warriors dont wanna be in the same games gear based matchmaking should be a thing it creates progression...greys and loot up to green...green can loot up to blue....blue loots up to purp....and HR a chance at legendary

[feral hedge]

still would be great. it wouldnt be a problem because having more gameplay options would increase the playerbase substantially. i know lots of ppl who have quit because of the shitty ass trade system and gear disparity.

[modest rampart]

elden ring was easy asf 🥱

[thin flicker]

Bet you used magic 👍

[lusty fractal]

or he's just better than you

[modest rampart]

lmao i actually did at first but stopped felt like i was cheating

[signal cargo]

lmao

[exotic field]

Grey gear only is literally splitting the amount of players you'd find into two separate lobbies. wdym lol. If I decide to play late say 5/6am here on ruins. I often queue into games with 3-5 players. We've seen how dead HR is without a split too. You'd end up having just a bunch of barely filled/empty lobbies just to satisfy "grey gear" players

[thin flicker]

Or, the situation doesn't change. The gear sweats currently mow down the lobby and let no one escape, looking for that one sweet juicy piece of gear to add to their godset. If they're doing it now, why wouldn't they do it there 😭 do y'all even play vgs????

[signal cargo]

yes but it fixes an issue that is bringing the player base down in the first place, thus increasing it

[bitter mist]

imagine crying about gear with all these drop rates and guaranteed rare drops from chests and mini bosses

[lusty fractal]

That's a best case scenario. Realistically, most people who get stomped give up without trying to really improve. They see good gear and blame their death on the "gear disparity" without even seeing the rolls.

[exotic field]

It also kills the games Longevity because that mode would get incredibly dull and boring quickly with no gear to chase.

[feral hedge]

my idea for fixing cleric heals would be adding a cooldown to the target while in combat; 60s for holy light 30s for lesser heal
eg. you get healed by holy light then you are immune to holy light for 60s.

[signal cargo]

im not having a problem at all i just am paying attention to the community and https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504528/grey-gear-only-lobby#comment566191 is the perfect solution.

[uneven osprey]

games dead because no lifers and meta andys play this game to roll timmies in grey to feel big. weekend warriors dont wanna be in the same games. gear based matchmaking should be a thing it creates progression...greys can loot up to green...green can loot up to blue....blue loots up to purp....and HR a chance at legendary

[hearty tulip]

Do we have any Fighter mains out there that crave other viable options beyond the typical Sprint + Second Wind?

Friend of mine had this to suggest, let me know what you guys think!

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504530/fighter-battle-master-maneuvers

[thin flicker]

Look, HR didn't even queu before when no economy existed. You're not anticipating that everyone here is getting better. You keep assuming everyone here is bad/noob when actual noobs aren't gonna waste their time and trust me, the game will get eaten alive by sweats even faster. People are like "it's too easy" and "no one's queuing HR" so how is it that 2 contradicting statements exist? If the game was easy HR would be populated

[signal cargo]

geared fighter vs non-geared, geared wins every time
geared wiz vs non geared, non geared has a chance.
unfortunately skill doesnt apply to all classes. The casuals need a chance to gear up

[feral hedge]

tell me you dont use a longword with out saying it.

[signal cargo]

really? just use a longsword is your solution for casuals?

[thin flicker]

Yeah but naked wizard claps fighter... If they don't have range

[modest rampart]

honestly i feel they should just add gear caps to each dungeon, like you can only bring up to blue or green in gc and larger dungeons like crypts have no gear limit

[signal cargo]

they tried that capped at blues. People still BIS'd out in blue and blue gear just ended up being more valuable than purples.

[uneven osprey]

gear based matchmaking should be a thing it creates progression...greys and loot up to green...green can loot up to blue....blue loots up to purp....and HR a chance at legendary

[deft epoch]

you know less then half of the classes can use longsword right?

[thin flicker]

Shit we will see I'm down to try, but rogues are gonna have it so bad this coming patch lol 😂 look at the patch notes they buffed ranger and left rogue alone LMAOOOO

[bitter mist]

so fighter vs fighter is just standing in 1 place and trading blows? ofc undgeared fighter can kill geared fighter, just like with any other class

[feral hedge]

basically yes. its the most fun weapon to use and most rewarding. it doesnt take all that much practice to reposte.

[deft epoch]

ok but not all classes can use longsword

[uneven osprey]

if both guys had the same gear it would be more about skill then gear right?

[signal cargo]

cool bro ur so helpful

[bitter mist]

no

[feral hedge]

"geared fighter vs non-geared, geared wins every time" was replying to this where hes comparing a non geared fighter vs a geared fighter

[uneven osprey]

how u figure?

[modest rampart]

they legit have the same gear what do you mean no

[signal cargo]

"no" explain

[lusty fractal]

YES HAVING BETTER GEAR MAKES YOU MORE LIKELY TO WIN A FIGHT THAT ISN'T A FUCKIGN BAD THING GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULLS PLEASE

[uneven osprey]

its why this game is dead

[feral hedge]

this

[small furnace]

How on earth did this not get flagged by the bot.

[rich karma]

But it wasn’t dead, we got instant lobbies all the way until they closed servers?

[lusty fractal]

i made a spelling error I think (or it agrees with me)

[deft epoch]

why are we only talking about fighter?

[feral hedge]

dont ask me im just replying to op

[small furnace]

Talking about the allcaps, bot usually tells you it's a big nono if you try to allcaps a message.

[uneven osprey]

2k players is game can feel alive

[lusty fractal]

I'm just built different 😎

[rich karma]

5k we’re ingame and 5k in lobby 10 min before wipe. Sounds like you were too busy crying in disc rather than playing

[signal cargo]

its not a bad thing but if your new you have no chance of extracting, GREYS ONLY LOBBIES ARE THE ANSWER! Upvote the Grey Gear Only Lobbies Idea: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504528/grey-gear-only-lobby#comment566191

[lusty fractal]

🤢

[uneven osprey]

i been playing i dunno where ya get your facts at

[bitter mist]

skill means blocking or dodging swings and movement, if you are skilled then gear doesnt matter, ofc im talking about the same class dueling, not some shit like wiz vs fighter

[signal cargo]

those numbers are right

[feral hedge]

grey only sounds boring. the best part of this game is stealing someones stuff when you outplay them, the noobs can learn via trial through fire like the rest of us.

[rich karma]

Just go back and look thru ur past msgs, u just cry about being gear checked all day LOL

[signal cargo]

than dont play grey only, chose the normal option...

[uneven osprey]

games dead because no lifers and meta andys play this game to roll timmies in grey to feel big. weekend warriors dont wanna be in the same games gear based matchmaking should be a thing it creates progression...greys and loot up to green...green can loot up to blue....blue loots up to purp....and HR a chance at legendary....seems legit to me

[rich karma]

He has that on copy pasta btw

[uneven osprey]

im crying so hard spitting facts'

[modest rampart]

i guess gray only lobbies kinda make sense for new players but then what about the players who actually had to grind and improve at game. making a gray only lobby is like the devs holding hands with the people who are just entirely skill issues complaning about better gear when they just completely suck

[bitter mist]

too lazy to write a response and you need to copy your previous messages? i wont waste my time with you weirdo

[uneven osprey]

why state something diffrent when what i said is true

[rich karma]

This @uneven osprey guy was probably in grey at end of wipe after playing 100 hours LOL

[signal cargo]

Upvote the Grey Gear Only Lobbies Idea: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/504528/grey-gear-only-lobby#comment566191 read the link bro, two options. Grey only, and Normal. Chose normal if you want.

[uneven osprey]

u assume alot

[rich karma]

Your messages prove a lot 🙂

[paper silo]

imagine there being a greys timmis lobby server XDDDDDDD

[uneven osprey]

why shold the wipe be fun for just a week or two...why not make it enjoyable to everyone for the duration...

[signal cargo]

Grey only just gives people the option to start the dungeon on an even playing field. The only negative feedback i got sofar is it would split the already lowering playerbase. Which is stupid

[feral hedge]

it is enjoyable through the whole thing you just need to try harder

[modest rampart]

then at least would it be only limited to smaller dungeons? since the larger dungeons have more loot and better drop rates (i think or at least it feels like it)

[uneven osprey]

everyone spitting that same old garbage....u must think everyone that plays just bought the game when u did...and noone could possibly be late to the party

[signal cargo]

why wouldnt it be the same with same loot?

[modest rampart]

since the people who tryhard could also choose gray gear only, stomp all the new/bad people, and get out with all the gear way easier

[signal cargo]

isnt that already happening?

[uneven osprey]

wide asleep this chat

[modest rampart]

yeah i mean it is but i feel making gray only lobbies wont really fix the issue, just makes it harder on the devs

[feral hedge]

im just being a poophead, but for real people need to realize skill has alot more to do with winning/losing than gear. obviously gear makes a difference (which it should or theres no reason to get better stuff) but if youre losing on a consistant basis and find yourself checking their gear to justify it, you should be thinking about what you could have done differently to change the outcome of the fight. learn from your losses.

[rich karma]

If gear only mattered, name weapons would never change hands unless facing other named weapons

[signal cargo]

at least a timmy would have the chance to find some blue felling axe before running into an "experienced" team and have a chance. And I guarentee you half the people spouting "skill issue" are buff ball meta gamers who havent geared in anything under purple in months. My moneys on they would get a reality check in a lobby like this.

[modest rampart]

like imagine gray gear lobbies were made, even if new players find some decent gear, someone who has the mechanics down and map knowledge will just easily outplay or straight up outskill them and they die, takes all the loot, gets out way easier than normal lobbies where theres still a chance of running into people who also know how to play the game