suggestion-discussion

[harsh grotto]

Cleric heal shouldnt be instant

[short sorrel]

Game actually feels okay right now with how easy it is to get gear/gold

[hybrid heath]

if u play cleric wizard in ruins, i hate you

[cobalt root]

Like arrows, throwing weapons should be recoverable upon killing an enemy.
Since they're more expensive though, maybe only have a 50% chance at recovery

[vestal cloud]

IM DONE IRONMACE when the fuck are you gonna nerf ranger lke what the actual fuck WHY did you make it so you cant move in traps TRAPS should not be game over yet if your solo it is this is absolutley ridiculous that they still havent fixed this issue and still havent nefedrange its to the point im actually frustrated ive loved this game since pt 2 but wtf rididculous

[ruby linden]

Remove circle, increase dungeon timer, increase player count and lower the loot spawn rate and it’s almost a perfect game

[supple trellis]

this update has done nothing with gear restrictions instead the no life pieces of crap just bis up is full blues and go ham

[tranquil plaza]

Remove ability to throw drums from bard also they should not have access to xbows

[neat hearth]

okay, I'll say it. The game is in one of the best states it's ever been

[small furnace]

Untrue, it did a lot.

It made it so BIS purples sell for 50g.

It's really disappointing finding god rolls on an item only to see that it's a purple item knowing that it's not usable and will not sell for anything.

[echo wharf]

blow of courruption is still stupid broken, two shooted by a warlock as a barb. insanity

[grizzled karma]

Add in a short spear. a longer range piercing weapon that you can use with a shield or dagger, etc

[slate girder]

i cant this game everyone teams in gobling cave its not enjoyable

[hardy niche]

PLEASE MAKE A "Goblin Bank" WHERE WE CAN STORE OUR GOLD FOR A FEE!

[abstract swallow]

we JUST saw how bad inflation gets when we get more gold storage
why would you ask for even more

[small furnace]

Wait what? The inflation is not because of the gold storage, nobody is using the gold storage. Wdym?

People use keys and gold ingots to store value, nobody uses the bags or chests cause they cost 10000 and 50000 respectively.

for the record I agree his idea his dumb but just questioning your reasoning

[hardy niche]

What about it is "Dumb"? You enjoy filling up your stash with tons of purses or exchanging them for ingots or keys that flucuate in price? Whats your reasoning?

[small furnace]

I don't enjoy that, but the idea of a bank is way too much storage. They just need to make gold storage items a bit more accessible.

[royal orchid]

inflation is because GC has 6 portal + a guaranteed exit for a 7 player lobby, making everyone that doesnt die to pvp extract with at least 200g without counting the gear

[small furnace]

I would be okay with gold bags if they were more reasonable to craft, like 1k in resources perhaps.

[hardy niche]

Thats why there would be a fee.

[small furnace]

It's too much storage.

[hardy niche]

For just gold? Bro like my inventory is constantly full and im not even that rich. Ive got 7 gold ingots and a couple backup sets. We need something to replace theses stupid purses i dont see the bags/chest being obtained much easier anytime soon

[royal orchid]

also the game has a very few gold sink, beside trade fee, so each time a 7 player lobby finnishes GC you inject 1400 gold on average into the economy

[small furnace]

7 gold ingots and a couple of backup sets is more money than most players in this game have.

If you don't believe me just look how many people whine about not being able to get even 1k gold.

We do need something to replace these purses I agree, but as I just said the way to do that is making gold storage more accessible, not by adding a literal bank.

[hardy niche]

I just dont see how a bank for only gold that requires a fee, could even be hefty so only the more wealthy players even need to use, would be bad for the game, not asking for 10 more stash tabs lol

[reef reef]

People Abusing bows and crossbows makes being a wizard uselesss since they can drill arrows with less cost

[small furnace]

What is an appropriate fee in your mind then? Cause I can't think of one that makes it worth it while also appopriately limited storage and remaining useful.

[hardy niche]

like 15-20% deposit and withdrawl fee

or like a % deposit and flat withdrawl

[small furnace]

Yeah, that's... if you do that it's just gonna remain storage items. Cause the fee for trading with value storage items is much lower than that.

[hardy niche]

Thats why its The "Goblin Bank", i am not the numbers guy, just thinking something like that might work

but not true about the trading with items is cheaper, gold ingots were just 1100g not even a week ago and dropped to 600 literally overnight

[small furnace]

The problem is I do not think there is a number that makes it more worth it.

Gold storage items are the best way to do this, a big upfront initial investment and then you get a free way to store money proportional to your investment.

The problem is the investment right now is simply not worth it. Gold bags store 500 saving you 6 slots and cost 10000 gold. If they were a lot more accessible they would be actually useful.

[hardy niche]

Well we need something like actual gold bars then instead of stuff you can mine and indefintely produce.

[small furnace]

Sorry, by "Gold storage" I mean ACTUAL gold storage, not what people are doing right now with gold bars. Like the coin bags are good, just their implementation is bad. You can't make them too inaccessible that they aren't worth the investment.

[hardy niche]

Yeah making the big bags and chests purchasable would make more sense

or require much less items and easier ones to get, i dont want to farm troll personally.

[small furnace]

Don't even have to be purchasable. Just remove the troll pelt from the requirement.

4x wolf pelts
1x troll pelt for the coin bag.

Wolf pelts are like 300g,
The troll pelt on the other hand costs MINIMUM 1 key, but some people ask 2. It's ridiculous to have this as a part of the recipe for a 500g storage item.

[hardy niche]

I think wolf pelts is fine and all but if they are gonna keep them in ruins and keep the gear check in game, they need a HR ruins

[small furnace]

Ruins is by far the worst map balance-wise.

I don't think they should make an HR variant of it, they just need to rework that map. It's way too inbalanced in favor of a few classes.

[short sorrel]

I think what needs to happen now is a re-work of the stats that get applied to armor/weapons. Greens should only have a maximum of +1/2 to a stat roll, blues should have a maximum of 2 stats with a +2 to whatever it is, and so on as you go up in rarity. That would help with the min/maxing of any gear rn

[hushed kettle]

At this point, I'd rather have a trade system before a friend's list.
Spending more time in the trade channels than in dungeons is ridiculous...

[short sorrel]

I shouldn't see a blue longsword with +3 strength and +6 physical power

[hardy niche]

Like what classes? I personally enjoy ruins and duo as fighter/barb

and they have to have a HR variant if they are gonna keep they Gear Requirements in game

[small furnace]

Rangers for one have an absolutely massive advantage due to the open areas which benefit the character with the highest range in the game.

Secondly, rogues who benefit from it being the darkest map by far.

Also on a personal note I just don't enjoy that map even playing as those classes because of how open and easy it is to catch/hear people in rooms next to you. I have the highest rate of being third partied in fights than any other map. I just avoid that map, I play crypts even in duos cause I have better odds there.

[echo wharf]

ill say it again blow of corruption does to much damage

[hardy niche]

So that just kinda sounds like an opinion and not as factual, but i dont really think it needs a massive rework, some mob density is wild but overall i like it

[alpine olive]

We need a better storage space. Keeping it limited is 100% viable. However it is too limited rn. Struggling to find any room for your money if you wanna have 1 or 2 extra sets is aggravating. Stocking up to craft items takes up too much space. If you wanna be a miner you have hardly any room to spare. They need to offer some kind of storage expansion or at the very least make the coin bags and chests more accessible

[small furnace]

Of course it's an opinion and not objective, but it's an opinion shared by many about the ruins map. I'm glad you like it, but I think they should do something else with the ruins map rather than make an HR variant of a map that already feels pretty terrible to play for most.

[hardy niche]

Is there like some proof behind ruins being unpopular since the item drop patches? Cuz my lobbies fill up super fast

[small furnace]

It's... still the only duo map in the game so of course people are going to queue for it. No I have no proof this is just what I've talked about in this channel previously with people.

I'm always going to advocate that they don't continue to work on ruins as it's own standalone thing.

I will also note, that on an OBJECTIVE basis, as a team you have the lowest chances of any map.

How can I say that?

Goblin caves you are up against 6 other players. That's 6 'teams' you have to contend with.

Crypts you are up against 12 other players. That's 4 'teams' you have to contend with.

Ruins you are up against... a whopping 14 other players. That is literally 7 'teams' you have to contend with.

Statistically just looking at numbers, ruins has the lowest chances for players.

Ruins has more players and is smaller than crypts in size.

[hardy niche]

Yeah bro exactly, its the hardest map, the fights are intense, rangers do have an advantage but they cant control the circle and IT IS DARK which helps fight them. Pretty sure every class has ranged weapons or spells. Its literally the hardest map and its a duo map, its perfect for HR and leaderboards tbh

It requires the most tact and strategy, no shutting a million doors, lots of open space, lots of shadows to hide in, lots of people. Tons of good loot, 2 bosses and multiple gold ore spawns

[small furnace]

You think you can get 16 people to fill an HR lobby for ruins?

That really isn't happening, HR is dead as it is, even for the most popular maps.

[hardy niche]

Bro it used to be dead, i havent seen an empty or non-filled lobby since item drop increase, you're thinking about previous patches dude lol

[small furnace]

Half-right. When leaderboards came around it became dead again.

[hardy niche]

cuz they need a ranked/unranked version of HR

[small furnace]

Ding ding, correct... but until then let's not create more HR queues for a dead mode?

[hardy niche]

Idk man then how do you plan to get wolf pelts? lmfao

[small furnace]

300g is pretty easy to come by.

Let other people farm it, that's not my problem really.

[hardy niche]

Someones gotta go kill wolves dude. If people stop playing ruins guess what, no bags, so give the ruins players what they want and you play w/e you want

[small furnace]

People won't stop playing ruins because currently it has the most potential for money for ONE reason: Gold ore veins. The easiest most riskless way to make money in this game. It's incredibly unbalanced.

[hardy niche]

Then they need to remove gear req from Ruins, only option if no HR

[worthy iron]

Ruins Def shouldn't have gear cap without a hr

[hardy niche]

^thank you

[small furnace]

I'm not a proponent of the gear cap anyway. It killed the value of purples and made finding purples entirely hollow for me.

[hardy niche]

But if bags only cost Wolf pelts the price of pelts would go up

[small furnace]

I don't play HR because leaderboards exist now so any purple piece of gear I find might as well be thrown in the trash.

[small furnace]

I don't think that's the case. Wolf pelts are already sold taking that into account, the supply is steady enough that they sell for 300g most of the time. The price might go up if the economy inflates more but yes.

[hardy niche]

well if purps are worthless why not just run HR and not care about losing the gear? Bro they would FORSURE go up. The reason they are 300g is cuz no one has gold for Troll pelt so no point

Also no one was room to just store these items on top of mining/having gold and more than one kit

[small furnace]

Cause I don't like the leaderboards and I don't want to play with the people that grind it. It is unenjoyable for me. I do what I find enjoyable in this game.

The high risk high reward high stakes gameplay of HR is FUN as hell when everybody is doing the same rat race and trying to get out with more than they came in with. Whether that's through killing, ratting, or clearing and looting.

That fun for me is entirely erased when you add people into the equation that just rush through the lobby trying to rack up an arbitrary clout number.

[small furnace]

Yes, I just vendor them. It isn't worth the effort.

[fleet horizon]

whats the best class for goblin caves?

[small furnace]

Both fighter and ranger are pretty solid.

[fleet horizon]

okay tahnks but how do u counter a wizard and ranger when ur fighter?

[small furnace]

With a ranger you just have to be good enough at the game and dodge their shots, close the distance as fast as you can while taking as little damage as possible.

I have no answer for wizard honestly. You have to hope the wizard is bad at the game, cause if a wizard is good enough at the game it can feel like an unfair fight.

[fleet horizon]

when i see wizards i just run with fighter atp thank u for he;ping me

[hardy niche]

Crossbow, keep far enough away from zaps, first fireball hit, pop second wind

[small furnace]

Same, if they look inexperienced I'll take the fight but if they look like they know what they're doing I just try to lose them. Not worth taking the fight unless you can get the jump on them.

[hardy niche]

If they get close enough to zap, close distance and kill, if they run, shoot in back with crossbow.

dont run straight at them, move side to side right as they cast, its not too hard to dodge

[small furnace]

Realistically, because zap is hitscan it's not so easy to dodge zap. Also a wizard can take slow and make it so you can't dodge.

They can also haste invis to make sure they control how close or far away from you they are.

It's contextual, and as I said it's about whether the wizard knows what they're doing or not. If they're just spamming zaps and fireballs it can be doable for sure.

[hardy niche]

true i guess if youre going against Apollo or Jay type of wizard, just pray you can get the jump on them

[small furnace]

Well tbh if you're going against someone at their level even running away won't help you lmao. Those dudes are a menace to society.

[hardy niche]

yeah never turn your back to a wiz, try to bait out spells as best you can. Best hope is having a ranged weapon pref crossbow

[small furnace]

I am assuming the dude asking was gonna be mostly ungeared. Crossbow def helps if you can get a good poke out but it's not the be all end all solution.

[hardy niche]

ah ungeared fighter vs base kit wiz, idk id prob risk it for the kill each time depending on how close they are

oh if thats the counter just run breakthrough as fighter. no slows can hurt ya

[small furnace]

Ironically a good indicator I find can be what the base kit wiz is wearing.

The ones that know what they're doing usually take off shirt and pants/hat because it helps them kite the fighter better.

Sadly "run breakthrough" is just not viable given how contested skill slots are in this game.

[hardy niche]

Sprint breakthrough would prob be more worthwhile if you are running into counters often. Second wind is fine if you have the PDR

But i run adrenaline sprint as slayer fighter and i def keep the second wind as a 70%+ PDR fighter

[small furnace]

Even as base kit fighter you need second wind to have a chance against barbs/warlocks/other fighters

Sprint is needed to catch rangers and rogues.

You CAN run breakthrough if you really are running into a lot but the thing is most wizards are just not good enough to pose that kind of a problem. So giving up a highly contested skill slot for them is not worth.

[hardy niche]

Naw you can def run adrenaline rush sprint and have MUCH more of a chance against all 3

depending on your personal skill level i suppose.

[small furnace]

Problem is adrenaline rush has a very big particle effect and you can be kited while it's going, then you get the penalty afterwards.

You won't survive against warlock because BoC clap is an instakill or 2-tap against you. You need second wind to recover since second wind healing is not affected by BoC (weirdly enough)

Barb again, does more damage than you so if you are running in with adrenaline rush you will still be out dps'd by him assuming he can land his hits on you.

[hardy niche]

Warlock and Barb both hit too hard for second wind to even get its value. Killing them as fast as possible, baiting out the BoC and dodging barb swings then getting 2-3x the hits on them as a normal fighter, they just melt or run away

I promise you its better and you get more value from it if you time it right

[small furnace]

Well, you are faster than both of them assuming you have sprint. So you pop second wind, kite them while healing and then go back in.

I've played with both before, slayer fighter is my second most played class.

[hardy niche]

well to each their own

[jovial swan]

I've a hilarious suggestion:

[Elevators]

Any elevator-type landmark can now instantly kill anyone who is underneath it as they are descending, regardless of HP or armor. The notable landmarks that can do this are, for example:
-The Central Ruins Stone Elevator
-The Goblin Caves Wood Elevators

[tropic haven]

BRING BACK 3 MAN RUINS

[frosty agate]

🤣
AH yes, you are "Fast" Briefly with longer cooldown on sprint than both classes.

[small furnace]

Didn't say it was a lot, but it's enough to get by.

[pine comet]

Would be great, except for the fact that elevators are the glitchiest thing in dark and darker

[pseudo urchin]

if i play only 10 games and i play well will i get the 1 decay game per day?

[silver dock]

Oh this falls on deaf ears apparently. They nerf achilles strike to the ground, but they ignore BoC and actually buff warlock. 20 magic damage that not many classes get high resistance to and its scaling is 100%. Not only do they get good weapons to use it on but other than the damage, they lower how much you heal too? These warlock players cried over some mediocre nerfs while BoC still stayed the same.

[urban apex]

for the love of god get rid of the spots where you can just get permanently stuck in the map

[strange marlin]

for the server they should make a HR lfg

[calm prairie]

I would love to see the standing heal come back for bards in a more balanced way, and with clerics being able to heal standing I think it could be figured out, possibly with a high knowledge cost or even a limit to how many times you can cast it. Like a rangers heal only having a few charges.

[lilac frost]

Make wizard and cleric spells not use uses in the lobby for when you want to check the damage of them

[cobalt root]

or any other charge-based skill, like second wind, if you accidentally press that key

[woven marsh]

How in the name of God can the Rogue be in the sad state it is in while Warlocks exist in their current state. I just had a Warlock with a 30 dmg staff literally one-shot my armored fighter with 40+% PDR. I was missing maybe 10 hp but was well over 100. That is absolutely insane. Nerf Blow of Corruption ffs...

[calm prairie]

if im running crush as a barbarian, mobs should just explode when i kill them so i dont have to spend time looting. thanks

[hallow cargo]

is teaming up literally the only way to survive in goblins? this issue is seriously getting out of control, multiple aspects of the game are completely voided by teaming in goblins

[main perch]

Staff is half magical, blow of corruption is magical, and fighter gear makes you take extra magic damage

[woven marsh]

https://clipchamp.com/watch/x9Rllq5S3ob Check out his gear. My armor was Templar. Which has positive MR.

[calm prairie]

u kinda walked right into him but i wouldnt have expected to get 1shot either i guess lol

[main perch]

I can’t see your own gear and that site is ass in phones so I can’t read what he had

if you had metal gear you probably had near 0 magic damage reduction, you got hit by the centipede at the same time and were near 60%hp and then got headshot by blow of corruption for a around 40 magic damage + the physical from the staff which also headshot you

[calm prairie]

he didnt gethit by centipede it was dark reflection

[main perch]

So 60 magic damage + staff physical

[solid cypress]

Can they just add a duos high rollers so I can stop having to play goblin caves and get countered or howling crips with buff ball

[woven marsh]

I had Blue Templar Armor and a Visored Helm which has built in Will. I did have -10 MR from the Visored Helm and metal boots. But my gloves were leather and gave Will. Centipede did not hit me, that much is perfectly clear. In fact, when I went down the Warlock was between me and the centipede. As for his gear, he had +2 weapon dmg on his boots, and 5% increased magic dmg on the staff, which had 30 phys and 9 magic. There is no math on this planet that equates to that kind of dmg with that gear. It's been reported. In this case I am 99% sure he was hacking, but the lock still needs a nerf. lol

[silver dock]

Better yet, have an area where you can test things without going into lobbies at all

[silver dock]

if he used BoC then thats 20 plus 100% scaling. A lv 1 base gear war can do 86 damage to the head.

[small furnace]

Classic, yeah BoC is broken needs a bit of tuning. The scaling on it is way too high. Warlock shouldn't have a melee option stronger than both melee-only classes.

[woven marsh]

Then maybe he wasn't cheating, in which case the Warlock needs a Goddamn nerf... But noooo. Let's cut the Rogue down to 20 seconds of stealth that also requires 2 perks to be able to move without alerting everyone nearby to his presence.

[silver dock]

Oh for sure warlocks are doing as much if not more damage to people than barbarians with achilles strike

[short heath]

Warlocks are a weird spot for me. I like that they deal mixed damage in melee like the Wizard technically has decent options for... the trade off as opposed to them having heavy armor and being tanky innately is that they're squishy but can heal over time very well. BoC definitely deals way too much damage currently, but I'd like to see the mixed damage capability of the Warlock stay.

BoC Quarterstaff is bonkers

[muted crag]

Guys, should resourcefulness influence physical healing?

[atomic yacht]

physical healing is useless anyways

[teal torrent]

I have a blue set to farm gold ores, and I can't see myself dying, my gear is literally BiS blues and no one can outgear me because of gear cap :D

My point is, gear cap in ruins does more harm than good

[silver dock]

I just made a warlock to test the damage out for myself and with a basic white crytal sword at lv 4 I killed a bardbarian in 4 hits to the arms and body, he was lv 20

[muted crag]

I would really have to disagree seeing how many pots and wraps people bring.

[echo wharf]

warmaul needs to be nerfed, as well as blow of corruption

[muted crag]

Roewk, have you tried not standing still?

[teal torrent]

blow of corruption is too strong, i agree

[small furnace]

I'd like that to be the case too. I think if BoC doesn't benefit from modifiers and scaling it's fine, but just like... you use it on a staff and it gets the melee + magic damage + any additional magical and physical + magical power modifier + headshot modifier applied to all damage?

It's just too many stacking damage sources for one ability. If it's 20 flat damage then it's fine, but it's never just 20 flat damage added.

[echo wharf]

all it takes is getting hit by it once, im full blue barb and i got two shotted. cant run away cause of the slow on it.

[muted crag]

slow them back with a throwin axe.

[deft epoch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502162/remove-gear-cap-and-instead-do-this-to-fix-it
does anyone disagree with this I genuinly think this could fix the issue of gear being in LR

[sweet nimbus]

remove prox chat hr gc is so lame nobody wants to fight because their trash and just want to team same story in ruins like nobody uses prox chat for more than trash talk and teaming lets be fr no good reason get it out the game

[silver dock]

so you want to remove what people can still do just with crouching? Also people who are friendly or teaming usually are chill in general. There have been so many times that I crouch or say hi back and everyone relaxes. If youre getting teamed on then id heavily assume youre the aggressor

[sweet nimbus]

make friends. play duos or trios with them and use discord. dont play a pvp game and try to "chill" to kill some mobs like this isnt dark souls

in a solo q btw i heavily assume you're a bad gamer

[silver dock]

is or isnt darksouls? Neither really make sense anyways though.

So youre coming here to tell people how to play? Not everyone wants to pvp every second. Not sure why you dislike people trying to just get some gold and not fight. You must be one of those people who attack miners, heavily seems like it.

[silver dock]

so yeah no one is going to listen to what you say when all youre doing if crying that people are teaming on you for you not being a chill person and calling them bad. Gl with life bud

[gilded plume]

booooo bring back heal spells working on enemies. stop discouraging spontaneous teaming, you already have a limited number of portals.

[sweet nimbus]

Go play roblox I'm not talking to you clearly you're the problem. It's called a veteran PvP dungeon crawler. GC is a solo q mode where you play solo and kill people but you got it stranger

youre muted random save your breath

[silver dock]

" I'm not talking to you clearly you're the problem" ummm alrighty you want to talk and mute people but cant even make a proper sentence. Cries about people playing how they want then cries when someone calls them out on being a sore loser about it

[silver dock]

nah then youll go and upset ryu. They hate teaming and think that people who do it are bad. XD

[small furnace]

The dude is upset that people are allowed to speak and is asking for the ability to speak to be removed and he is acting like YOU'RE the snowflake. Okay, weird bizarro world I guess.

[silver dock]

Thats what im saying XD

[sweet nimbus]

watch out we got keyboard warriors in chat

[small furnace]

yeah my b ironmace ought to remove my ability to type so I don't team in chat with @silver dock

[silver dock]

lol hey watch out youll get muted too. The kid cant handle being roasted at all XD

[sweet nimbus]

i get you guys like a chill game me too right but thats not what a competitive game is supposed to be especially an unforgiving game like high roller for people who actually have skill and are making there way up the leaderboards and for the record i never trash talk and ive helped a lot of new players out but you wouldnt understand the level im coming from

[silver dock]

"i get you guys like a chill game me too" they obviuosly dont when they were just insulting people who did that. idiot cant handle being the odd one out and has to try and relate now so they dont look totally idiotic.

[small furnace]

I feel you but as I've been saying for the past month they ought to make a ranked mode for leaderboard climbers and have HR separated from ranked.

HR exists for two reasons, and those two reasons are very diametrically opposed to one another. People who are there to progress and play at higher gear levels are just there to play the game at a higher level and enjoy themselves, people who are climbing leaderboards are trying to increase a number to gain clout and respect of others.

These two groups of people are at odds with one another, so they ought to make a ranked mode in the future to accommodate this.

[sweet nimbus]

thanks man for being reasonable

bizzarro world we live in cant find people who can see both sides

[small furnace]

I mean I only said what I said initially cause I think your suggestion was bonkers. There is a way to fix these problems but I don't think 'remove voip' is the way to go. I'm a big fan of voip and the unique interactions it creates in this game at all levels of play.

[sweet nimbus]

maybe its not the problem and your solution might be better but the way the game is now i think it just creates unbalanced gameplay in hr

[small furnace]

If they create a ranked mode I am down for them creating more stringent and strict rules for ranked mode since I imagine it would exist for the primary purpose of leaderboard climbing.

Until then though I don't think we should remove such a core feature of the game. I understand the desire for a competitive scene but sadly as it is there just no worthwhile dedicated competitive mode. Especially with how they keep trying to encourage casual players to go to HR through both incentives to HR and disincentives/restrictions on regular gameplay. (Most recently with removing purples)

[sweet nimbus]

I just wish you could see these guys in HR man. They use Comms like "I hit him twice, flank this angle, another player NE", and I can go on. These little voice interactions make big plays in what's supposed to be a solo mode. I know I'm probably not making a lot of sense but I'm trying to explain how it can be used for more than just "Hey I'm cool. There's a bard piece in that chest over there."

[small furnace]

I play a lot of HR myself. I just don't do so when leaderboards are up, but I do know there is a great degree of cooperation where people more often than not just wanna live and let live. With a majority of my interactions in HR having ended with people just wanting me to leave them alone and vice versa.

So I do get the struggle, and I do get how rough it is to be teamed up on in solo modes as it's happened to me before. IM needs to figure out what they want to do with HR cause currently not enough people play it, and the playerbase is very divided on what it should or shouldn't be.

Still, I'm against VOIP being removed because of the great interactions it can create, even when you're not teaming necessarily, such as this: #fighter message

(Excuse bad audio, I have terrible problems with balancing audio)

[jovial swan]

[Luck Potions]
The Luck Potion system has been reworked, and there are now four types of Luck Potions:
Potion of Luck - Grants 50 Luck when consumed and can be bought for 50 Gold.
Potion of Fortune - Grants 100 Luck when consumed and can be bought for 150 Gold.
Potion of Felicity - Grants 150 Luck when consumed and can be found in dungeons.
Potion of Prosperity - Grants 300/400/500 Luck when consumed and has to be crafted.

[Crafting Recipe: Potion of Prosperity]

Any Luck Potion: 1
Gold Powder: 1
Grave Essence: 3
Intact Skull: 3
When using a Luck Potion, the Potion with the higher bonus will increase the bonus value of the Potion of Prosperity, hence the three different levels.

[golden fractal]

Fighters:
"Shield Slam" is worthless. Any time that you'd want to use it, you're better off swinging your weapon. Additionally, the range is absurdly short. The Animation will show the shield extend, but I don't think it actually does. It doesn't feel like it extends the range of the shield any further than it's held in front of you by default. I also find that the shield ceases to be a shield during the Shield Slam animation. I was hoping there would be something if you shield-bashed an incoming attack. You take the damage.
"Perfect Block" is underrated but could still use some love. It should, at the very least, reset a weapons combo when you do land a "Perfect Block." As it is - perfect block doesn't give you much additional blocking power.
The real benefit to "Perfect Block" is the "Counterattack" perk. It FEELS (I don't have any way to confirm this) that "Counterattack" really only perks after you land a "Perfect Block." I know you get the buff icon at the bottom of the screen, but it doesn't feel like it really makes you attack any faster.
However, after landing a Perfect Block, your next two swings are noticeably quicker.
**Breakthrough **just isn't worth it with the other great skills available. Though it works quite well.
Second Wind should be recharged while resting (albeit very slowly). Regardless, it's absolutely essential unless you're coming with more meds than a pharmacy. Even then...
"Victory Strike" should have its damage buffed or its heal-effect buffed. Personally, I think the heal-effect should be buffed, but either way, there is a reason it's not often used.
"Taunt" isn't worth it, even in a group. If it gave you and your party 25% Physical Damage reduction for 8 second, it might be worth taking over:
Sprint / Adrenaline Rush

[storm pelican]

does a flanged mace count twords blunt we pon mastery?

[golden fractal]

Yes.

[storm pelican]

does morningstar?

[golden fractal]

Yes.

[storm pelican]

thx

[golden fractal]

You're welcome.

[eager creek]

BIS chads dont care about loot, they already have loot. They want to kill timmies.

if anything they didnt go hard enough on the gear based lobbies. Full blue can close to BIS for some classes. They should have made it green or limit the amount of blue items you could take.

[storm pelican]

facts im a bis cleric and i just want kills i dont even loot bodys most of the time lol

[golden fractal]

To be honest, I like the Blues. It makes Cobalt worth it. And the drip is spectatular when you run through in full blues, but also... literally blue.

[eager creek]

I am running some disgusting gear on my barbarian and warlock, demon hunter/ cobalts +9 magic healing and 330 ms. for my warlock at least all I had to do was use slightly worse jewlry and a purple falchion. -- for me im having fun, but I can see how this exp didnt help the nub stomping.

[deft epoch]

then why do they cry when they lose their stuff |

if they don't care about their loot

[eager creek]

I dont follow. everyone cares about their own loot. It takes hours to shop for it lol..

[deft epoch]

ok so my suggestion does fix the issue
if its only a few people that are like that

[eager creek]

the only reason normals aint being flooded is because of leaderboards.

[deft epoch]

well yes exaclty thats why in the suggestion i said buff HR loot

[eager creek]

with your system I would be able to use my BIS troll banes though, so it would be fun for me lol

Loot doesnt matter when you have loot. If you buff loot, it just means itll take them less games to fully chad out to go to normies and stomp.

[deft epoch]

yes but when they chad out they go to HR because there should be a lot of loot

[eager creek]

but its more fun to kill players then mobs

and its a lot more fun to go on a massacre than have a 50/50 duel.

[deft epoch]

yeah true

[eager creek]

at least for me, if I die ik im spending an hour in trade. So if I see another geared barb, ill usually not push them.

[deft epoch]

i mean here's the thing a lot of players like 50/50 duels
because when they win they get the adreniline pumping and its fun

[eager creek]

It is fun, but our trade isnt- wish we had aution house. Ill take bad trades on my ungeared characters.

[deft epoch]

i agree

[eager creek]

anyways, hope they get some decent data from this test. and as a LR enjoyer myself I wouldnt mind if it was limited to 4 blue items or even just greens. All my friends stopped playing from how sweaty this game was.

[vernal hedge]

So, goblin caves?

[deft epoch]

yeah it would work on gc too

[vernal hedge]

granted im curious to know what they are gonna make of the new map that should be coming at the end of the month, I personally would love a 2nd level to ruins or a ruins HR considering the blue limit to normal lobbies and how duo players are now shafted of using purps

[lucid dawn]

REMOVE WARLOCKS HEALING FROM THEIR HYDRAS

[proven moon]

make higher tier loot have better modifier like greens can only get +1 wep dmg blues +2 purples +3 legendaries/artifacts +4 idk blue shouldn't be stronger than purps or leggies

[vernal hedge]

Despite being against adding more queue to avoid splitting the not massive community through several maps/modes/etc(sepcailly went some HR lobbies already struggle to fill up) but with the recent changes limiting blue gear to normal a HR Ruins would be really nice, currently there isn't any good way for a duo to use the purple they obtained, either they are forced to split and solo HR GC or they need to find a 3rd to go to crypts

[lapis cloak]

Go to HF for destroy Gold Coin Purse... possible sell to merchant ?

[vernal hedge]

that's another one, allow us to resell it and make it so that there is some merchant that will guaranteed buy any items in the game has rotten fluids for example can't be sold to any merchants as well, only dropped in game or traded to other players

[steep fossil]

PLEASE MAKE VOICE CHANNELS FOR DUO LOBBIES. PEOPLE CONSTANTLY JOIN TO SPAM/GRIEF/OFFEND OTHERS

[granite plinth]

But thats the fun part

[jovial swan]

How I'd make High Roller more appealing to play:

[High Roller - General]

The price of High Roller is now universally 50 Gold.

[High Roller - Dungeons]

Gear drops from High Roller are no longer lower than Rare grade items.
Loot drops from High Roller are no longer lower than Uncommon grade items.

[High Roller - Inferno]

Gear drops from Inferno in HR are no longer lower than Epic grade items.
Loot drops from Inferno in HR are no longer lower than Rare grade items.

[Enemies]

Enemies in High Roller have a 10% chance of dropping crafting items alongside their normal drops.
Sub-Bosses in High Roller have a 50% chance of dropping crafting items.
Bosses in High Roller have a 100% chance of dropping crafting items.

[Nightmare Enemies]

Nightmare enemies in Goblin Caves always drop an Epic rarity item or higher.
Nightmare enemies in Hell (Inferno) always drop a Legendary rarity item or higher.

[Gear Binding]

The steep pricing of High Roller increases, with there now being an optional fee to bind your gear to your player.

Binding your gear prevents other players from taking your gear upon death and prevents you from losing it, but it also prevents you from equipping any weapons or utility items you find in the dungeon. Any loot that you had in your stash can still be stolen by other players.

Gear binding costs 10,000 Gold.

The last idea would be controversial, but again, it is quite a huge price to pay to keep your stuff, and High Roller is the kind of place where you need to have good gear to keep, and there's always the possibility of you not even dying and thus spending the fee for nothing.

So you're punished for paying the fee or not paying the fee.

[vernal hedge]

waaaaaaay to rewarding.
crafting materials from hell would lose all value has you are basically guarenteed them on a decent hell run.
I don't get why you are making nightmare enemies basically better than bosses currently.
Gear binding is also such a shit idea, sorry, wtf is the point of me going high roller and fighting bis geared players that even if i kill them i will get 0 from, this makes 0 sense, you want to make the most money possible with 0 risk and HR will become a sweat fest of people in full legendaries just rushing you down because worse case scenario they lose 300g(they most likely wont due to gear)

[jovial swan]

Y'know, gear binding could use a funny price curve.

[vernal hedge]

still a bad idea.
this is a risk reward game, there shouldnt be any mechanic that removes the biggest risk in the game, gold is easy to get, gear isnt

[jovial swan]

But is 1300 Gold easy to get for all Legendaries?

My price scale model would make it a huge risk for low to medium reward.

Best case scenario, you die and keep your stuff, but lose a lot of money.
Worst case scenario, you don't die, keep your stuff, lose a lot of money.

[vernal hedge]

assuming it's protecting me from losing multiples keys of gear?
100%, easiest way to play leaderboard lol.

imagine this, you are playing high roller, you took down a juiced trio of streamers going for leaderboards, you get to their body, oh... all the loot is not takeable
this would feel alwful, it's like dying full kit to a naked wizzard, he risks nothing, you risk everything

[jovial swan]

I see. Then perhaps I'll just make it so extreme a price that it'd probably not be worth it outside of very niche instances.

[vernal hedge]

but lets put in some math, right now, if your suggestion went into play, anyone can without any risk get on leaderboard with 0 risk for 4 keys. if your gear is worth several keys that's a worth investment for bragging rights, repoze wouldn't have lost his deathbloom+8 damage pants and other insane gear, does that seem balanced?

[grave ivy]

Only way I could see anything work would be akin to Tarkov where they can loot it. But, if nobody does, you get it back after a time delay.

[vernal hedge]

it's not a point of worth, it doesn't fit the game

[jovial swan]

Alright, final price: 10,000 Gold.

[vernal hedge]

like zeckls said, the only way i'd accept something like this is an insurance system like tarkov

[vernal hedge]

repozes deathbloom alone was 15 keys- aka around 75.000 gold. in just one gear piece, that's 7.5 runs covered, still arguably worth it.
you don't understand that the issue is you having absolutely 0 risk, gold is meaningless

[jovial swan]

Hmm...I've got it.

[grave ivy]

90k right now, but yes.

[jovial swan]

[Gear Binding]

For paying a steep fee of 1000 Gold, you get to bind your gear to your person. This prevents other players from taking most of your gear upon your death, but the following penalties are applied:

-One piece of your gear can be taken by your killer.
-Once you die, you lose access to the rest of your gear for an entire month.
-All loot you get in High Roller turns into Junk Tier loot.
-All leaderboard stats are not recorded from that session.

[vernal hedge]

that's over complication and still keeps in question how toxic this would be to other players, you just had the fight of your life, risking your own gear against sweats, and you reward is?
Sound the drums
Living to tell the story....
how would you feel if that were you @jovial swan ?

[small furnace]

That's strange, when I see other geared players in crypts lobbies I normally specifically go after them when I'm geared, especially if they're the same class...

Cause that means backup kits in-case I die, and that's where all the good loot comes from.

I avoid pubstomping noobs unless they attack us first cause like what's the point? I'm just ruining someone else's time for pretty much no reward, I don't want their loot.

Killing the geared players is more fun, they put up more of a fight and I don't feel bad about it, plus like I said more loot to contribute to my backup kits so I can keep going forever the more I win.

[jovial swan]

Wait, I'll add one more thing.

There. I made the changes.

[vernal hedge]

if you really wanna have some sort of keepsake mechanic in the game I'd rather it be some sort of scroll/seal that can very rarely dropped of some sort of content, and through this you can guarenteed save one item, but that's the maximum alowed per character, one item.
This way players would also be kept in control of how much this should cost.

[vernal hedge]

I find it's too little reward to get 1 item, you just died, it should be you being punished.
if all the loot you obtain is turned into junk the goal will be to just have 1 carry running this(likely selling runs) with the best possible set together while the other are playing normally. leaderboards would have to not affect everyone, because it makes no sense that you could fuck others leaderboards ranking with this, does it makes sense to you that a competition would be affected by playing people outside said competition? doesn't to me
and the gear not returning in a month is once again, overcomplication for no reason, we haven't even had 1 month wipes so should I lose the kit that in FedEX limbo waiting to be redelivered?

[elfin shale]

Wouldn't it be nice if you could buy grey and white clarity pots from alchemist? Instead of being played by the trade market and the ridiculous prices that are set.

[harsh marsh]

I disagree with that, it's either useless: having to stash your gear for a month no one want it. Or only busted for 1% or less : Buffing people that can pay 10 keys their gear, so they actually never lose much and stock pile their gear as a rotation in a month. While most people won't care to pay 1000g for stuff that are worth less than a key anyway.

[harsh marsh]

TBH i would agree for Wizard, i find that meditation is extremly clunky since we have time limitation round. But Cleric is already busted and since it's the only support in the game since bard nerf and capped MS for wiz also. A buff this huge for the cleric doesn't appeal to me.

[real trellis]

Debuff duration stat rolls on gear is still negative, right, like it increases the duration of debuffs on you still? Do you think they're ever going to change that or is it forever going to be worse than getting no roll on your gear

[vivid coral]

-Gambling statistics: Possibility to change a chosen statistic of an object for a random statistic at gold cost, each roll costs more gold. It would give more role to the merchants, more utility to the gold and the possibility to trade with more valuable items. Motive: to give an example..and I am a cleric xD...As there is a possibility that you get ''spell capacity'' in a barbarian axe, and this is useless for him...give him the possibility to try to change the statistic for gold and let luck have the last word (like in diablo, for example).

You will only be able to change a chosen statistic by a random one and it will cost more and more expensive.

Vote if u like ---> ''Change of items stats'' is the title of the post on the official page
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487234/change-of-items-stats

[toxic pulsar]

remove crossbow from fighter xd

[signal raft]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502096/automatic-stacking-of-gold-purses?

[ruby pendant]

And BHAAAARD while your at it, or require it to take a perk

[ripe bluff]

remove pregame lobbies. there is absolutely no logical reason players should be able to scout the entire lobby and recruit other players to team vs you before the game even starts.

[exotic saddle]

I am fine with it requiring a perk tbh

[native depot]

If you don't allow other classes to use ranged weapons, then we'll just have more rangers. How about we just remove rangers already

[ruby pendant]

I’ve got a suggestion need the longbow drawback speed by 30%-50%, and require bard and fighter to take perks respectively for rangerd, so they at least are at a disadvantage for full fledged melee build users

[eager creek]

Fighter is at a disadvantage just by picking the fighter class lol.

[ebon viper]

I would like to suggest that the normal lobbies be specifically for Grey, White, and green quality gear while blues and above be for high roller. The Purple to high roller change was good, but we're still seeing people in full blues with capes and rings, that should honestly be in high roller, going into normal lobbies with people that have greys or nothing on and clubbing seals

[eager creek]

Facts, or at least limit the number of blues to 3 or something. ^^

[hearty agate]

I mean if you go down to greens it will just be people with full green jewelry and armor doing the same

[native depot]

Green prices on good rolls would increase too. I think the system right now is fine and the game is the most competitive its ever been

[hearty agate]

Yeah blues is fine to me - yea there will be some people with BIS blues but even then you can actually beat them unless it’s a buff ball - but that’s an issue with buff balls and not gear

[native depot]

I don't really play crypts unless I'm on rogue ratting but agreed buff ball is the issue. You can get close to BIS blues for 1k and easily extract a bunch of times, paying it off and then some. Much better system than getting rolled by BIS purples and legendary items in LR

[atomic yacht]

add lizardman... NOW!

[granite plinth]

I'm thinking some kind of momentum mechanic might be cool - invert movement speed added to physical bonus or something, offset by armour rating to simulate charging into battle. The slower your character (heavier) the more force is generated by running.
I don't know how it'd work with walking, sidestepping etc speed modifiers.
Thoughts?

[neat hearth]

Just wanted to say I think the game is in an awesome state. Normal lobbies are more fun than ever.

[grave veldt]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-x3yAn_9q0XwDb9TMxAgWXfVaKkuo4AsSZ8wbUOLuHA/edit

Make sure to keep upto date with the developer Q&A to know what is planned and what isn't before making suggestion poll as it may have already been covered.

You can use the search button at the top of the linked page to search up if an idea has been or not

[ripe turtle]

What do you guys think of healing percentages on healing potions and bandages? Leave a vote for my suggestion if you like the idea!

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/501166/changing-potion-and-bandage-healing

[crystal jewel]

can i suggest that instead of the default mic being the only option through the game, their be an input option so that i caqn choose a virtual audio cable, id like to be able to run through the dungeon as donald etc

[spark pond]

Add a dragon boss that’s a dragon that breathes fire and shit

[hot hemlock]

Its already in the works

[tawdry thistle]

add a right click and delete option to items so that we do not have to go into high roller to get rid of coin purses OR allow us to sell them to a vendor like the treasurer and he wil purchase them bac kfor 2g ea or something

[elfin vale]

no just let me sell the damn coin bags and get nothing back idc

[wintry helm]

Can I get a sie job in banning gold sellers?

[tough cedar]

Why are empty gold bags considered a "rare" item? lol...can't bring empty bags into dungeon to drop and can't sell them to merchants for 0 gold to make room in stash. Pretty dumb outcome of the update

[hardy vector]

nerf slayer fighter (why does this exist)
nerf ranger crossbow perk (???)

[small furnace]

You wanna nerf the weaker variant of fighter and not the version of fighter that is already meta?

[hardy vector]

slayer fighter dominates solos rn

also from a warlock and rogue main, plate fighters are so fucking easy to kill

[small furnace]

Slayer fighter is nothing compared to full plate fighter. I play a ton of solos and that just isn't true.

You're a warlock and you can't kill slayer fighter? Just bring blow of corruption you literally one tap them.

[south pagoda]

Add a looting bag that can be crafted to bring into raids to store more loot and please add a rotating feature to rotate items within your inv to make more space and a pretty cool thing would be a custom HR RUINS and a hell portal for it that’s different to Crypts Red

[hardy vector]

blow of corruption sucks ass when compared to phantomize

[small furnace]

Dude, blow of corruption with a magic staff literally one taps people. You would not die to slayer fighter at all if you brought it. It actually needs a nerf it's so busted rn.

[hardy vector]

you think im gonna run magic staff boc in hr? also staff boc dies to anything with a longer range

[small furnace]

It is shocking to me you play HR but you think boc is weaker than phantomize and you think slayer fighter is OP.

[safe copper]

I would like to suggest a consideration toward development of a bounty system in the game. Perhaps a way for players to place bounties or at least the system place bounties upon players who tend to aggessively seek out other players to kill over the PVE NPC. Especially those who have many kills of players. This way other players will begin to seek out them to collect bounties. The higher the bounty the more difficult it will be for them to navigate maps without others being alerted of their presence. It might even bring a collective group of players together to achieve the collection of said bounty. I think this would be an interesting add to the game and will give the PVP players more opportunity to PVP themselves to death. They should love it.

[hardy vector]

boc is plenty weaker than phantomize in hr. phantomize gets you out of so many situations with basically a speed shrine while in use

[small furnace]

This isn't about phantomize being weak. It's about boc being insanely busted strong.

Phantomize does get you out of a lot of situations in HR, but if you're dying to slayer fighters as you say then just take boc. boc is an auto win button against anyone that has to get in melee range of you to kill you lmao.

[hardy vector]

boc is only "insanely busted strong" with a cs. also the reason why i dont take boc in hr is because ppl just run and wait it out, and then mow u down. u fight a ranger, a barb, a wizard, ur js dead. same with rogue

[small furnace]

It's amazing with a staff too because it gets scaling power from all your magic damage and it scales with headshot damage.

You can bonk someone for upwards of 80 damage with it, assuming you're in HR you have plenty of +additional magic damage gear so you will definitely be near one tapping people with it.

You activate it and a rogue comes within melee distance of you he will keep his distance... and during those seconds that boc is active with your staff you can spam curses on him and he'll either have to run far to get out of curse distance or take his chances with you getting literal free damage on him until it's up. Then once it's up it's LITERALLY a 15 second cooldown so it's not like you're gonna be vulnerable for that long.

This is all assuming you can't just bonk them and one tap them anyway. It needs a nerf, it probably WILL get nerfed but abuse it while it's still here.

Slayer Fighter needs some love, wanting them nerfed is just silly. They have almost no options for how to play the game and plate fighter is the meta rn and has been for awhile.

[hardy vector]

a rogue ambushes u, ur dead. a wizard shoots anything at u, ur dead. a ranger even looks at u, ur dead

[oblique pewter]

big up for crossbow we can rename the game it's like call of duty now

[granite plinth]

More character slots, I would like to be able to make race and class specific named characters. While I might name my male human wizard GandalfTheBlight, I would like to name an undead female wizard Hellvira. As it stands there is just enough room for one of each class released, would love if it was 2 each.

[minor ridge]

Gear should be limited to greens in normal matches, a blue item cap doesn't really do much since you're still able to pull off insane gear set ups. Blue, purple, and legendary/named gear should be grouped into one tier, whereas grey, white, and green in another. To compensate the match quality, maybe drop the loot quality to balance out the matches and make the geared people willing to run HR.

[narrow snow]

A trash bin to delete junk tier items / non-sellables.

[small furnace]

You can still get +3 weapon damage on all pieces of gear with greens.

If the gear changes go any further though the game is gonna bleed a lot of players.

[minor ridge]

I think the game is going to bleed one way or another, and i understand that you can still get good stats and good sets with green gear, but the disparity between the two ends of the spectrum drops if something like what I suggested happens, in which everyone has a much more fair chance of actually playing the game.It doesnt make sense that, in a game about hardcore survival, looting, and pvp/pve, people with better gear should be able to win almost every fight with no issue against people with less strong gear. There should be some kind of an opportunity for people with less strong gear to win a fight, and people with better gear should have/feel some kind of risk in bringing in the gear theyre bringing. Closing in the range between the two groups of players would make the game true to itself, in my opinion of course.

[small furnace]

You guys want way too much honestly. You got your compromise with the blues but this is pushing things way too far.

The game was never meant to be super 'fair' it was always meant to be a level of asymmetrical pvp. I'm just gonna quit the game if this becomes a 'gear score' system which you can't play anything unless it's a white or you go to HR to get stomped by leaderboard runners. Like nah man it's way too much. Just be happy with what you got.

[brittle crane]

The game isnt gear its AI, and lack of unique challege so people just go around trying to force pvp like its pubg/apex etc.

If the AI posed any enjoyable challenge like Darksouls, and the Unit collision wasnt abysmal. There might be hope, but if the unit collision isnt good, and the AI isn't good theres no incentive to fight NPC's other than being annoying task to get to the next room.

[royal orchid]

npc never had good loots too so your not incentived to kill them unless its to get to a chest

[brittle crane]

Exactly might as well remove all AI and focus purely on the game itself/gear/classes like rust had to so the game feels good. and not like a damp stick

[small furnace]

Disagree that the AI challenge is what the game needs to focus on, but I do agree that it's REALLY weird they buffed up the loot from every source but made it so that mob drops are still entirely crap unless it's a boss/subboss. No incentive to be wasting time checking their bodies lol

[brittle crane]

I said remove it to focus on class balancing, and gear like rust had to do

[royal orchid]

i wouldnt mind better pve but there are way more important issues to focus on rn for that to be worth it and its never gonna be whats holding people into this game, its the pvp and the looting gameplay loop

[abstract swallow]

give an inch, they'll take a mile
this is literally the "remove trade from the game" trend after 1-14 lobbies got introduced all over again

[rotund violet]

I just bought 2000 candy corn, 7g per. Can you go ahead and put stats preview back on Jack o Lantern now?

[small furnace]

It's so damn real man.

Making blues restricted to HR would remove so much flavor from the game, I already feel kinda bad looting purples like: "Oh wow I got a god roll, too bad it's worth literally nothing and I can't use it unless I wanna play with the leaderboards" if they make it like that about blues too I just won't play anymore.

They really do just wanna strip back every part of the game until it's a bunch of grey kits fighting each-other in another classic battle royale game.

[craggy kayak]

let bards reorgise memory priority from the bottom bar without needing to remove all their songs

[naive thicket]

we should have a free week/weekend to get friends addicted

[pine comet]

Fire idea, can they even make it free temporarily on their launcher though?

[small furnace]

Free week/weekend is a great idea but we should definitely save that for when Darker gets back onto steam after the lawsuit. Would bring in a ton of people.

[pine comet]

Is it possible to make a game temporarily free and then make people have to pay if they wanted to continue playing?

[small furnace]

Steam games do free weekends all the time, so yeah

[pine comet]

The game is permanently free for those who got it during the free period requiring them to never have to pay for it even after the free sale

[fair hinge]

I would say that it shouldn't be free, but for a fraction of the price. That way the Devs still get paid we can get more development funding.

Nvm you're talking like a free play test, yeah could help a lot.

[hardy vector]

remove rogue handcrossbows

[light stirrup]

Anyone else lose the desire to play as much with this patch? Idk what it is, the blue gear lobbies being just as bad if not worse than normal lobbies before, mini free high roller almost lol. Gold purses being unique, and STILL having the lack of accessibility to gold storage items such as the bag and chest. Who would pay 100x the cost of what the container holds? Nobody. Also, tired of the trade chat, it's so bad there's a massive discord dedicated to alleviating this problem. most of the community prob not even in them or the biggest one, the collectors guild. That's where the big trades happen for the best gear.

Anyways, rant over, love this game but lately been lacking the desire to play due to these issues.

[eager creek]

I feel you, all my friends stopped playing. This is still my favorite game but damn, if the trade post and nub stomping keep going on - this game will lose its playerbasr

[small furnace]

It's been done the other way too on steam.

[pine comet]

Huh, never knew that

[jovial swan]

We really need a report option for "Teaming with Enemy Players".

Like that should be one of the priorities. A better report system.

[long blade]

It is so unrealistic to think the "noob stomping" will stop. You cannot entirely police how people play a game. They will always find a way around it.

[atomic yacht]

add lizardman plz its just stealing something from the unity store

i must be a scalie

[echo wharf]

sorry tired of wizards being able to just proxy kill people without even hitting them

[ancient briar]

I'm tired of killing Wizards. Poor guys have no defence against my mighty axe

[cobalt root]

you must have been going against low geared wizards - strongly geared wizards can kill even BIS buffball barbarians in 2-3 spells

[silver dock]

You dont even need to run spells as a solo. phantom and BoC are legit all you need. If you get caught out then you can easily just phantom to reposition, and then BoC is all you need for damage. If you run a good weapon damage set and a crystal sword you can two ore three tap anything. Ive legit killed more people playing around testing out warlock and escaped with more loot than any other class ive played pre lv 15

There are differences with needs and wants, and BoC NEEDS to be nerfed. Nerf it to the ground like they did achilles strike, as having something like that on a class with so much utility is not healthy for the game whatsoever.

[minor ridge]

but doesnt this trend just express that steamrolling lower geared people is easy and reliable? My point is that people wanting to come in and roll entire matches and doing so with no need to be scared because of their "god gear" is not fair, and that I do not think you can deny. This just completely removes the enjoyment of anyone trying to start off in the game, or people who are having struggles with making money as well. It's just not an inherently healthy trend.

[slender marten]

Wipe the servers, game stale.

[small furnace]

It is kinda crazy how fast they saw barbarian having a nice thing and were like "nerf it to the ground" but warlock has been one-tapping people with a melee ability with 15s cooldown since day 1 and it hasn't been touched.

@minor ridge I'm not denying anything, but if you guys push so hard to make it so that only greens or whites can be played in normals I'll just quit the game. I didn't sign up for this game to have a competitive equal experience.

[atomic yacht]

i agree delete warlock

[worn canopy]

Suggestion - Personal stats with option to inspect others / set to private. Including but not limited to: Player kills, deaths, revives, times been revived, each type of mob kill, gold earned from collector/merchants, normal vs HR tab, special items looted/found, escapes, percentage of times gone to hell, amount of times entering crypts as solo / duo / trio, pots broken, etc.

[smoky brook]

Probably been mentioned already but again, please add a way to get rid of empty gold bags

[echo wharf]

once again was once shotted by a warlock as a full blue barbarian. this game is garbage

[atomic yacht]

i agree delete warlock

[silver dock]

The major nerf to achilles was good as barbarians already do a lot of damage, and achilles was just an unnecessary addition to that damage. Now that being said, i agree on why TF is BoC still the same. Especially when its doing the same and or more damage achilles strike was going... on a mage class. I sound like a broken record with how many times ive mentioned that. But until they fix it and not try to work around it by nerfing everything else but BoC, then it has to be mentioned.

Also idk why these people, noobs or what, are still trying to get gear based match making lowered more, as if thats going to fix anything. The gear restriction is fine at blue, if at all in the first place. Like you said, it made purple loot pointless for casual players. But the reason the gear restriction doesnt feel like its working for these people is the devs removing the level restriction.

[limber whale]

Well its temporary, so they are going to remove it 100%. If they take weapon damage/phys/magic damage stats off. It'll feel fine because the higher stat gear will raise the pain and removing those busted stat rolls will lower the pain.

[crystal dune]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502372/rework-x-damage

[oak dirge]

Reverse the gear restriction patch for normals ... BUT add levels 1-14 pure starter gear queues and normal 15+ or any gear queues

[silver dock]

Big facts, and Im glad its a temp thing. Level restrictions were fine enough. The rolls on gear are still a bit high. The biggest issues are weapon damage and magic power. Weapon damage in general is a completely broken stat that shouldnt be a thing. It doesnt matter how tanky you are when someone has plus 10 weapon damage getting 20 additional damage per hit.

[oak dirge]

make a 2 slot dungeon gold pouch that holds 50 gold but make it a trash item that cant be banked sell it in the treasurer merchant

[buoyant wren]

every class except barb, ranger, cleric, fighter need a buff, enough with the nerfing, bring the other classes to the same point as the top 4 before we start nerfing the entire game into the ground, i fckn love this game but have such a hard time playing because the moment i switch off of meta, i die repeatedly to meta it kills my passion for the game and completely subsides any desire to continue to play

[silver dock]

im sorry but thats not how you balance a game logically. You dont waste time buffing more classes than you need to nerf. Also saying fighters dont need a buff or change over the classes you think that do is a sign that you might not know the game like you think you do.

[buoyant wren]

sorry should have added suggestion not discussion, im not looking for feedback on my comment, the situation in question isn't my game knowledge im just frustated with the current state of the game, been here since the day it dropped, no lifeed it since and can say the game was better before the nerf wave

not looking for an arguement about my opinion save your time typing

[silver dock]

Brother, then i dont suggest you type your very subjective comment in a public discussion tab for "suggestions", and not expect someone to say anything. In general if you dont want people saying anything then dont say anything to begin with. What sense does it make to vent on an online platform and think that no one should say anything?

[small furnace]

I will literally quit the game if they cut normals down to green.

I don't even like normals down to blue, as I've said it just feels awful to find purple or god forbid a legendary when we run the lich and know that we can only use it for the one run. I certainly HOPE it's temporary and they will undo it, but due to the amount of people going: "Yeah so good!" I doubt it, probably hear to stay.

Wish we could un-open the pandora's box that is gear restrictions but now that it's been done I doubt it will ever get undone.

As for blow of corruption and achilles, yes achilles needed a nerf. I just think it's super weird that they nerfed achilles which was also something that would basically one tap if it landed but they leave BoC in the game. Personally the nerf I'd give BoC is that it just cannot benefit from any scaling. 20 extra flat damage on an attack is fine, as long as that damage doesn't get added magic damage or headshot modifiers or power modifiers etc.

[oak dirge]

If you want to help casuals learn but still have good pvp have 3/6/9 (or 5/7/9) players/teams random raids, this would make occasional raids be more pve focused and some being heavy pvp focused with some being at the balance we see now

[grim stag]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502387/cancel-from-queue-button - A pretty common feature from other games with similar concepts and GUI's, allow the player to click the banner of the dungeon they're entering (the one on the bottom left hand of your screen at the main menu), and have it cancel the queue.

[little summit]

The fact that you have to create a ticket on the website to report blatant teamers/cheaters in solo maps is disgusting when you have support staff and tickets available in discord.
Additionally, when the website is down you're just screwed because that's the only way to really report cheaters. - 1/10 customer support.

[jovial swan]

I'm gonna be real, they need to separate HP from the Strength stat.

[tender seal]

Yeah, if you're going to copy D&D.... you gotta actually copy D&D.

[jovial swan]

Strength should be as follows:
-Penetration Power (how much armor penetration you deal)
-Impact Power (how many hits it takes for destructible objects to break; or if an object that is normally not destructible can be broken, like chests or doors)
-Damage Output (self-explanatory)
-Block Breaking Power (self-explanatory)

Then you have a whole different thing for health where it's just the vitality of the character that can be changed through max health bonuses and not Strength.

[jovial swan]

Also, gonna be very real here. Silence is not going to be healthy for this game.

Same with Hunting Traps. Or anything that partially or completely limits a player's ability to play.

[tender seal]

Imagine if it was a second level (or was it third?) cleric spell like it should be from actual D&D - there would be so much crying

[jovial swan]

Also, Rogue should legitimately NOT be the class that's able to Silence people. This coming from a Rogue main.

[dense sand]

they just need to remove HP from Strength, and make a Constitution stat for HP and add all of resourcefulness stuff into Constitution, Impact power should be capped by each weapon and not affected by Strength otherwise everyone gonna be breaking down doors

[jovial swan]

Fair.

[dense sand]

if anything remove BoC from Warlocks and give them a silence ability on weapon hit instead, BoC is busted

[jovial swan]

True.

Also, you know, if there's anything I learned with the experiment regarding the base maps and item rarity, it's that it's not draconian enough. They should make it so that only Uncommon rarity items or lower can only be brought into the Goblin Caves.

[tender seal]

So me and my friends just queued up for a normal crypts run (didn't have any gear a red spider mummy took us out last game) and once again we get bodied by a fully geared wizard. The new hotfix did nothing!!! He was wearing full green (all but 4 items were green) and even had a necklace on with +action speed. Somehow he hit me with 4 fireballs while I struggled to jump on the barrel he was standing behind, then my friends died to an axe skeleton. When is ironmace going to finally do something about this gear greep and limit lobbies to white items only. I'm by no means a bad player at all but when you have these sweatlords running around fully greened out you can't do anything. I can only imagine what it's like for a new player. This is only going to drive new players away from a game that I'm definitely not bad at. Ironmace do something!!!

Credit - https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/178k1ar/guys_this_gear_creep_is_out_of_control/

[jovial swan]

Tbh, this game is just horribly unfun in its current state. Ever since the second big patch, it's been downright unbearable.

[gilded ether]

I like this idea, a lot!

[keen scaffold]

hotfix the goddamn gold coin purses tonight please just turn them into a gray item tyvm

[runic cloak]

When guilds and quests ?

[final aurora]

What's the issue, I'm not aware?

[jovial swan]

Gold Coin Purses are considered Uniques. Uniques can't be taken into normal dungeons.

[keen scaffold]

they cant be brought into normals and to free up space you need to pay someone to take them for free

[final aurora]

ahhh I see, ty

[jovial swan]

Bro, I'm so sick and fucking tired of Judgement being the go-to skill for PvP Cleric. Tbh it needs to be made useless for how long it's been powerful.

[keen scaffold]

or go in naked into a high roller and dropem yourself

[jovial swan]

Some people may not have that luxury or the desire to suffer even further.

[keen scaffold]

yeah its a pain in the ass and one of the dumbest oversights ive seen in a patch

[jovial swan]

They need to reintroduce a hard lock to magic damage and magic healing. Make magic damage only cap at 25% increased damage, and magic healing cap at 3 HP per second.

Then we won't have:
-Wizards capable of soloing a Trio with relative ease.
-Warlocks being able to outheal everyone to a tremendous extent.
-Rogues being able to do 16 damage of Poison on first hit, per tick, when geared.
-Clerics being able to take away all your health from a single button press and 0.5 second start-up attack that legitimately takes no skill to hit.

[real trellis]

I was going to make much the same suggestion but this one already exists so I'm gonna repost it https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/491091/nerf-cleric-heals-to-be-overtime-not-instant

[crystal dune]

Can clerics even Run 10 Spells? Like mentioned in that post. They have only 1 spell memory right?

[vernal hedge]

only 1 spell memory yes

[abstract swallow]

this is a nice idea in theory but it 100% clashes with the devs desire to have a 'harcore' low TTK and longer term resource management

[vernal hedge]

how so? if anyhting his suggestion is making so smart use of heals is alot more important as well has managing your own hp has you cant get brought up from 1 hp in 3 casts

[abstract swallow]

devman wants you to crumple instantly if you fuck up/pick a fight with a bigger fish, not for fights to go on long enough that you can sustain multiple re-engagements
see: tranquility rework, med stacking getting outright removed, pre-medding getting gutted, etc

[vernal hedge]

exactly, so changing the cleric heals from an instant cast to an heal over time would work to achieve that exactly, if I take 100 damage and need a cleric heal, he can:
A- heal me for 30 hp instantly (has is currently)
B- heal me for 3hp p/s over 10 seconds (has suggested by Dousiq)

which one do you think is more punishable if you make a mistake...

[ripe turtle]

What do you guys think of healing percentages on healing potions and bandages? Leave a vote for my suggestion if you like the idea!

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/501166/changing-potion-and-bandage-healing

[faint onyx]

fix wizard for christ sake. Ungeared is completely unplayable and geared is brokenly op

[quick rivet]

Are flea market and offline mode something they are working on or plnning to?

[toxic pulsar]

put gold ore in hell or high roller, get it out of ruins, it's supposed to be a more fun casual map but tryhards spam it for gold 24/7

[silver dock]

Not a bad idea on paper, but unpleasant to balance. It makes it so squishy classes are squishy as they have to choose health over damage, and not just get both. But if people are squishier then wouldnt more people complain about getting one shot more? Thats already a big issue, but now itll be even worse when you have another stat you want to roll so you can have chance to survive getting even hit once. Next is that the will stat would need to be changed in the same way for magic stats. But what would you do about balancing out what stats you keep or remove if strength and will gives all those bonuses? How would this effect rng on item rolls?

[vernal hedge]

Where did you get the idea of it being more casual friendly? It’s the most populated map and the one with least extracts to player ratio and I’m pretty sure in the ingame description it described as a battle to the death or something along these lines

Personally I like that gold has it own map, it gives the map some identity and purpose instead of having it together with the other ores

[wild hollow]

Hello, I'm Class Master
The level-up system will be open soon

[violet sequoia]

Is it possible for rogue deal 16 damage per stack of poison???

[toxic pulsar]

IMO duo is inherently more casual, those descriptions haven't been updated in a long time.

Every time I play duos it's in between doing tryhard hell/hr, or because I only have a friend on who wants to mess around in duos

[silver dock]

Idk... ive killed plenty of people in blue and purple as a base or green wizard with a staff. They are literally meant to be strong as they lack 3 major attributes. But what I certainly agree on is that once they get even a little geared they can easily snowball if you play right. Thats why I heavily dislike ever using spellbooks and orbs as they make wizards boringly strong. People who use them are just trying to play easy mode. Saying a wizard takes skill is only true when you use staffs and swords.

They even nerfed books and orbs, but it wasnt enough. They still give too much dps and mobility at the buy of a single item. The only issues using books or orbs is whether you run instant cast or meditate.

[indigo egret]

Just because YOU think it's casual doesn't mean anyone else does or is required to

[naive thicket]

I got absolutely bonked by smite cleric last night

[toxic pulsar]

I mean it's literally just a fuck around deatchmatch map, it has no leaderboard, it has no down portals. Seems obvious to anyone not below 90 IQ it's more casual but ite lol

[indigo egret]

No normal maps have leaderboads. And GC doesn't have down portals either. Again something that YOU think is true is not true for others

[vernal hedge]

Map literally forces you to have pvp more than any other map, gc where everyone has a way out or only 1 person needs to die theoretically would be the casual map

[toxic pulsar]

I mean I agree gc is also casual at least in normals

[vernal hedge]

Yh talking normals only, now if you said, add ruins hr and move most gold there in a similar way rubysilver is more available in HR that I’m all for

[midnight shoal]

meta stats for ranger?

[scarlet creek]

Strength to 15, lot of agility, WEAPON DAMAGE, +true as well

[runic cloak]

When guilds and quests

[keen scaffold]

its the only map to mine gold and so everyone goes in heavily geared how is that casual?

[gloomy anchor]

does anyone else get the (the game has ended abnormally-please restart) message.... im so sick of losing gear from it at least 2-3 times a day?????

[keen scaffold]

oh i see, youre saying without the gold ore spots it would be casual and i agree

although initially the ruins were supposed to lead into the crypts and if they did that like in that one playtest then i would understand leaving the ore deposits. but right now its a sweat fest for that gold

[deft idol]

Game seems to be having ddos issues due to hackers being banned. I’ve had to restart my application several times today

[gloomy anchor]

ok ty so anoying losing all my hard earned gear just to be set back to nothing lmfao at the portal too

[deft idol]

Don’t take in good gear atm

[fresh wyvern]

They’re still figuring stuff out. It’s EA. Let ‘em cook. It’ll all be wiped soon anyways. If I don’t like a patch, I sit it out for a week or so until the next patch and then I find whatever I didn’t like was usually fixed. A lil hint tho.. you can camp the living hell outta the people mining gold in ruins if you wanna be the guy lol

[hot hemlock]

Blue isnt heavily geared! Its under the gearcap!

[scarlet creek]

If you camp the gold, less gets to the market and it holds value more. So if u have a lot, stop others from getting it

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-more-money-eds-gif-26437995

[hot hemlock]

Bros advice is try tohold a monopoly over an infinite resource

[scarlet creek]

I wasn't paying attention, I was just making a joke. But, you could do that. What was there advice for?

[proper pulsar]

SA SERVER DONT WORK ATM

[rotund violet]

Want more people to go HR instead of normals in blue bissies?

Bring back stats preview on Jack O lantern!

Also bring back legendaries with hidden stats, as it was previously in playtests.

[naive elk]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502495/gold-coin-conversion
Add a option to the Treasurer to us be able to convert gold coin in Gold Bar.

[viral yoke]

Take out blue portals and zone close. add in static extracts around the maps and make a set number of red portals spawn for hell around the map.

[gray crane]

Going about separating gear by rarity to enter dungeons is useless. Need to come up with an overall gear score equation that will separate overall quality into different tiers.

[runic cloak]

When guilds and quests

[gray crane]

someone not being able to bring in 1 purple sword, versus someone bringin in all BIS blues...is totally nonsensical

[atomic yacht]

let me date the alchemist

[prisma magnet]

Add weapon sway to bows and crossbow with a "hold to steady" option.

[atomic yacht]

u should have to be still for multiple seconds to not get sway

[vernal hedge]

Who needs the wizardning when we can have the all inclusive goldening

[proven flare]

why warlock can heal from hydra, that's dumb

[mortal gazelle]

what if they roated maps for solo players like for 1 hour you have gc then for 1 hour you have crypts this would just be for solo players and other maps would stay the same makes it possible to get crafting matirals as a solo

[brittle karma]

Please explain to me why the devs cant just make selling to merchants viable if I buy something for 120 from them I should be able to resell it for half so if I steal someone's blue chest piece that isn't BiS I should be able to sell it for around 50 to 60 gold to merchant instead of wasting an hour in trade chat and no that wouldn't fuck anything because realistically gear takes up more slots so if you fill those slots with green or blue collectibles you'd make way more money than selling the gear. So it would definitely work. It would help noob players and it would also make trade chat less annoying. Then only BiS gear would be sold which end turn lowers the cost of that gear because everyone would be trying to sell it.

[white spade]

Devs dont care about trade and how much everyone hates it, they been showing it since they never even once talked about it. brazilian server are down for at least 3 hours and the devs said nothing also, they only care about trying weird data gathering changes that sometimes break the game all behind early access excuse.

[primal skiff]

Suggest changing wording on Rogue perk "Jokester" from the current: "The Rogue lighten's the mood, giving all party members around him +2 in all attributes."

to:
"The Rogue lightens the mood, giving all party members +2 in all attributes."

This is a very small change, but it removes ambiguity. giving all party members "around him" suggests that it does not buff him also. Currently, it appears that the rogue himself also benefits from this perk, gaining the stat bonus as well. Given that the rogue is also buffed, removing the words "around him" makes it less confusing.

[grave nebula]

I have a lil suggestion. IMO you shouldn't be able to fling your armor off your character so quickly in the tab menu. Seeing as how changing weapons and equipping gear takes time, so should taking it off, even if it's a tiny amount of time. Personally i think too many people use this to their advantage and while i think it's kind of funny, i don't think it's in keeping with the game for it to be so instantaneous that it becomes an often talked about strategy in various situations.

[winged mortar]

What he said^

[gray crane]

taking off your armor should never be a benefit. there absolutely needs to be an equip timer so people can't just strip naked while moving and run away

[keen field]

Teach noobs how to play so they can battle people wearing blues and not think it's impossible

[gray crane]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502512/cumulative-gear-score-match-making-item-balance

[atomic yacht]

add a tutorial i agree

[grave nebula]

there's an argument to that, personally when i started the game at the beginning of EA, i assumed not wearing shoes would incur a move speed penalty (i know shoes add move speed but i thought there would be a negative penalty for going shoeless)

[dusky kernel]

What if there was a -1 or -2 move speed per empty slot? (Excluding jewellery and cape)
Not sure how else you’d make it less beneficial for speed

[grave nebula]

im not sure im for negative move speed penalty on removed clothing except for shoes (which most people aren't unequipping), but if their was a tiny amount of time needed to de-equip or if you couldn't de-equip armor while moving, it might affect the dynamics of move speed in a beneficial way by preventing people from instantly gaining move speed mid-battle in requiring people to take a couple seconds to gain that speed

[rigid grove]

Can we get a potion case, a first aid kit/case, or something of the sorts? More inventory management items would be great. As it stands right now, I either have to sit in trade for forever to sell things, sell them for dirt cheap, or sell to vendor to make room in my stash. Success shouldn't feel like a downfall.

[azure fog]

I agree in part. 1) I think it breeds to stay individual and not team based. There is no mechanic in game to confirm a teammates gear score before going in. Also it is better to encourage ALL players striving for best gear, team based scores will incentive one or two player carry with others naked. 2) I think lobby split blue and lower normal purple higher HR is good. At no time should a full white fresh slaw be facing a purple team. But individually iLvL or gear scoring is better and lobbies being matched with similar gear levels even inside the normal/HR split is positive

[hardy kindle]

Ban teaming in Goblin Caves, what are you supposed to do when 2 super geared guys decide to team up before the game? Just ban people who do that they make the game not fun

[storm blade]

it's a daily thing in HR GC it's insane

[slender marten]

<------ soon please. 💤

[hardy kindle]

mate yea after it happened 50 times in 1 day its dumb, i gear up go to HR and then people decide OH HES GEARED IN HR NO WAYY WHAT A TRYHARD team up and kill him

[azure fog]

Teaming in general should be bannable i run into teaming in 70-80% of HR goblins and usually in 50% of normals.

[storm blade]

lol sorry was at work. you can legit hear them looking for you hahaha where is the guy with the cape

[fierce quest]

hello. where can I use a golen key ? should i play in high roller ?

[calm dove]

Man I want to keep playing this game but the number 1 biggest issue this game has is the trading. There's people that have the time to min/max by sitting in trade chat and there's ppl who don't. That alone is creating a huge issue. Either remove trading or give us a better system. The current system is something runescape even left behind.

[pure summit]

They've said they're going to try removing trading for a bit to gather data

[calm dove]

No way ..when? Maybe next wipe?

[pure summit]

Oh JK, I just looked for the source to double check, and I might of mis-read their FAQ. Could of sworn they mentioned it somewhere, but maybe I'm crazy

Recent FAQ: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-x3yAn_9q0XwDb9TMxAgWXfVaKkuo4AsSZ8wbUOLuHA/edit

[pure summit]

They said regarding a trade hall question: " It may change for the better, but trading functionality will never go away."

[calm dove]

Lol yeah it would make to much sense to test. Plus there's so many ppl that cry about wanting a economy so they can pretend it's mmo

[pure summit]

Haha yeah, I'd be curious how the game looks without trade as well

[calm dove]

Well there's hope that maybe they will let us choose our own path. Either become a trader or don't and have separate matchmaking pools. That would be legit.

I mean who wants to spend hrs trying to build a gear set using trade chat. idk how more ppl are not upset about it. I keep finding myself and my friends playing less and less over this one issue. Hopefully something changes soon. I think they're still tied up in legal stuff and it's getting close to the end of it all.

[pure summit]

I know alot of people are saying an auction house would be nice, where you can just post your item based on the market, and buy the cheapest listed gear with the stats you want.

Seems like there's a ton of logic to write for it though, so might take a while or it might not be high priority.

They basically did the bandaid fix which was to add filters to the marketplace

[calm dove]

Yeah and they have to figure out how to stop R M T. Which honestly is such a nightmare it's basically impossible to fix. Unless you did something odd like Make gold P2P useless and have gold only used for merchants. Then setup the auction house to use bartering system. Gear for gear or item for item. Yeah it might not stop R m T but it sure would cripple it.

[tidal cloud]

My suggestion is about another method to stop players with HIGH-END GEAR queuing into normal lobbies. And the best way in my POV is to add some sort of "Item Score", for example ITEM SCORE wont be limited by only item rarity it will take into account +all, +weapon damage, etc. I cant speculate much about how much each stats will be in ITEM SCORE, but is better them only rarity. A lot of items that are blue are better than purple and sometimes even yellow, so limiting only rarity is not actually a good way to say which person can go to normal games or high rollers due to the problems earlier presented...

[uncut slate]

Give cleric meditate, meditation just as religious as it is arcane

[wintry egret]

FiGhTEr sO WeLL rOUnded

love that every class in the game can literally beat armor rating, can we do something about fighter sucking ass in every situation the passed wipe?

[ruby kestrel]

bro you are literally just mad you cant get gear. Color based matchmaking was a good choice but not letting you bring certain rolls is insane. Not only would it be so horribly hard to implement but it genuinely only benefits broke people like you that cant even bring greens in. You wasted your time with one of the stupidest paragraphs Ive ever read.

[wintry egret]

Bard>Fighter Rogue>Fighter Barb>Fighter Wiz>Fighter Ranger>Fighter Warlock>Fighter Cleric>Fighter

[cerulean kestrel]

Absolute skill issue

[terse sonnet]

It’s not skill issue when you get one shot in full blue with 140 HP by a fireball from a mage

[wintry egret]

oh yeah #4 fighter all wipe last wipe just to get shit on the entirety of this wipe due to everyone countering my every move, rogues have speed and poison, bards can weaken and slow me, warlocks can literally just eat me, Barbs 2 shot fighters, before you say skill issue why dont you tell me how its a skill issue

[cerulean kestrel]

Show leaderboard screenshot

[terse sonnet]

Talking about skill issue… the guy probably never played fighter

[wintry egret]

doubt he runs HR too, probably one of the losers running around normals with full kit

[wintry egret]

ChadTrollKiller was my name look it up yourself internet is at your disposale, good argument

[terse sonnet]

Yeah probably !

[cerulean kestrel]

Lol #4 fighter at killing troll, I’ll actually post my leaderboard rank unlike you

[wintry egret]

at the current moment with all the changes theyve done to every class the fighter hasnt been touched

[wintry egret]

lmao #4 in troll still top 10 in the rest, proves i know what im doing

[terse sonnet]

At killing troll ? We talking class balance you talk about 1 mob in the game ?

[cerulean kestrel]

Doesn’t prove anything until you actually prove it with a screen shot. Zero percent chance you were top 10 in both kills and troll. 0% chance you’ll show the proof

[wintry egret]

i dont need to screenshot my skill cus i know what i got, i dont need to boost my own ego like your 12 year old ass

[sonic sigil]

dale muchachos, habiliten el sv

[wintry egret]

still no argument to why its a skill issue, i shared where my problems are wheres the advice on the counters?

[cerulean kestrel]

Exactly thanks for proving my point.

@wintry egret you’re the one who brought up rank and then when asked for proof your excuse is that you don’t need to boost your ego. Opinion invalidated

Checkmated yourself with that one bud. Cheers

[wintry egret]

wait what, i brought up how fighters are countered by everybody currently and my defense was i was on the leaderboard for fighter and you proved me right by finding where i was #4 in exactly you didnt wanna share my other ranks cus you know where im at on em, not only that i told you exactly how i was getting shit on and you still have not told me how its a skill issue in the slightest, so realistically you checkmated yourself bud, cheers. Theres obviously no arguing with stupid so im just going to block you ok?

[cerulean kestrel]

I didn’t “find where you were at” on a leaderboard that doesn’t exist anymore. Is your brain okay ? I could tell by your account name lmfao.

You brought up leaderboard as credibility to your argument but use “not needing to boost your ego” as an excuse for not proving it. Laughable. Good day sir

[wintry egret]

So can anyone help this guy out? what am i doing wrong as a fighter in HR GC against everyone else

[wintry egret]

idc about my LB ranking i care about the fact that my chosen class is the weakest atm and its annoying, you're the one thats stuck on that man

[cerulean kestrel]

Game is unfortunately not balanced around solo my guy. I wish they would add independent balancing between solos and trios but it’s low on their priority list if on it at all. Fighter is fine in gobbo HR though.

[wintry egret]

you literally called out my #4 ranking on troll killing you knew exactly who i was you fucking psycho

[cerulean kestrel]

Man thinks rogue poison counters fighter idk how to help someone like that

[cerulean kestrel]

You claimed to be #4 on the leaderboards and your screen name is trollkiller. You seriously can’t deduce how I made that connection ?

[wintry egret]

yeah just honestly man go to twitter, "SUGGESTION DISCUSSION" isnt the place for you stupid

[cerulean kestrel]

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised by someone who thinks farming troll adds credibility to class balance discussion

[small furnace]

Just read everything you said and the problem is they can't buff fighter because of how prominent they are in 3s.

Solos are another thing sure, where the PDR isn't helpful because you end up being very slow and can be out-ranged/kited by wizards and warlocks who just ignore your PDR and move 10x faster than you.

Think a good middle ground would be to buff slayer fighter. Slayer fighter has almost no prominence in 3s and are generally considered pretty underpowered, though I don't know if that would suit you, would certainly suit me though as I love playing slayer fighter.

[wintry egret]

Thanks that makes alot of sense, ill give it a shot, that is probably my issue

[wintry egret]

what weapon would you say slayer would be better off running around with?

[small furnace]

I'm more of an arming sword fan with slayer because of the high attack speed and low damage, the +5 flat damage helps a lot. Falchion is also pretty good, point of slayer fighter is to be able to actually keep up with your opponent, but you die a lot easier so you wanna try and output more damage before you die. I recommend offhand lantern, hand crossbow is also good if you use all-weapon fighter because the hand crossbow can benefit from the +5 flat damage too which more than negates the 10% damage penalty. Just depends whether you like the additional movespeed or not.

You can also use short sword if you're using arming sword, short sword and arming sword have weird combos that work together and go much faster. Plus short sword is only -10 extra movespeed so it can be hella worth.

[silent mica]

Are there any current suggestions about quests/stash upgrades being more tied to HR?

If they can incentivize HR through more account progression stuff, that should help quite a bit with the dead HR lobbies, as well as drag some of the people who primarily just play to stomp LR into HR

[small furnace]

It would be a good idea but before that happens we need to figure out what to do with leaderboards. Currently leaderboards are entirely tied to HR but if we're gonna tie late game progression to HR as well it seems like there should be a dedicated ranked mode instead.

I know a lot of people have interest in grinding out their name/fame but that's 'ranked' in that sense has never interested me in games all that much as I usually avoid it since I'm just playing for fun.

[silent mica]

I don't actually know if there's that much of a problem with having them both tied to the same mode

I'm not actually sure how the LBs function currently, but if it is (or was changed to) top 20 games or something, going into HR early for progression wouldn't hurt any rankings if you care about that, and if you don't then it doesn't matter much.

In my mind, HR is probably intended to be where you go when you're geared but people are way too risk averse to run it with the entrance fee, even if the risk/reward is worth it numerically. So HR player pop dries up quickly, which leads to people running LR in the same gear instead, which is where a lot of balance complaints seem to be coming from.
Gear locking LR, I think, seems to be the bandaid fix for that, rather than addressing the issue. But people haven't responded well to HR changes in general, in terms of trying it more at least, unless it's completely free.

A quest/progression system in HR seems to be the only way to do that, by giving a reason for players to consistently run HR, which lessens the people who 'should' be running HR going LR instead

[cerulean kestrel]

Good idea

[cerulean kestrel]

The leaderboard changes are really quite bad. The current meta for placing on leadboards is to build up a god set, play 19 games, and then sit on the character until the last day to play the final one in order to avoid decay. Rinse and repeat with as many characters as you can, rerolling if you die on one of your 19 games

Ironmace seems to keep making changes with this fantasy that players won’t abuse the system. as evidenced by Graysuns message that “players won’t abuse BiS blues they will just go to HR”

[small furnace]

I played a ton of HR when it was off leaderboard.

Now that it's on leaderboard I do not play.

Sure, HR can be where you go when you have a god set, but if the people I'm playing against aren't just there for the reward of HR through either PVP, bossing, or looting and are instead there for the incentives of clout through the leaderboard I don't think I want to be a part of it. I'm not the only one that feels that way either.

So instead usually when I get a purple it just gets vendored instead. I really don't want to play with other leaderboard players, I like HR in concept and I enjoy playing it when it isn't tied to a clout-based number but when it is that's it for me.

Introduce a ranked mode separate from HR and you'll find a lot more people are willing to play HR.

[calm dove]

Idk I think they should just scrap leaderboards and create tournaments instead.

[small furnace]

I think a lot of people enjoy the concept of the leaderboards and getting clout for the amount they grind. Just because I'm not into it I don't think they should just scrap it entirely.

[oak dirge]

Cant Play the game on my main cant delete gold pouches cant afford HR dont have Stash space Cant play the dumb game didnt play my main since last patch it has a bunch of empty gold pouches in bags ... i dont wanna delete my only lvl 20 yes i suck at game but why cant i delete gold pouches WTF

[calm dove]

I mean all leaderboards are are ppl with no job just grinding all day. Mostly streamers at the top it's not for the average players. The could make player profiles that show stats and that would be cooler than leaderboards lol.

[topaz gust]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502560/gear-changes-reduce-gear-disparity-and-incentivize-highroller

[small furnace]

Stats are planned the devs have said yeah.

[cerulean kestrel]

Just low priority last I saw them mention it

[pine comet]

Why did you spend 35 dollars on this if you need food?

[pine comet]

The game is their job

[ripe prairie]

imagine not wanting an auction house

[jovial swan]

I'm going to post some Gear changes that I believe would be really good for this game.

[wet ether]

ngl I think the devs should add a team auto-fill option. if team killing is an issue with the random teammates then make team-killing a bannable offence

[jovial swan]

{Common Gear}

Common Gear is no longer lost upon death, so long as that gear is currently equipped on your person.
Common Gear can still be taken off of your corpse to be used by other people.
This includes weapons and armor, but does not include utility items.

{Junk Weapons}

By pressing Alt + Left Click on your weapon while in the Stash menu, you can change your weapon into any other weapon that is available to your class.

This new weapon will always be Junk Tier and will have any additional stats reduced by half outside of the weapon damage and movement speed.
You can only perform this option twice prior to the match starting and cannot add a weapon into an empty slot.

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/501983/addressing-gear-disparity-without-gear-caps
Wrote some stuff on the topic of highroller access as well in here (point 2 and 3), since some people were discussing it before.

[dusky talon]

Add an auction hall, sitting in the trade hall is mad annoying

[cobalt root]

last circle in GC shrinks way too fast, if you're a barbarian you don't even have enough time to open the last portal as it comes up before the circle shrinks to nothing - needs to last another 5-10 seconds before the map collapses

[normal quarry]

I'm down for no circles

[calm dove]

Just sell stuff can throw in empty bags.

[thin thunder]

I think it would be awesome to have a merchant that only accepts silver.. and has only items other merchants don't, isn't that genius?

[calm dove]

I think it would be cool to have rare Anomaly dungeons where the circle (darkenss) can behave differently.

[neat hearth]

skeleton corpse loot sucks 😄

[pure juniper]

[granite plinth]

delete your game and hold it over to better devs

[fair oasis]

Could dagger mastery add the ability to retrieve thrown daggers from bodies and make them faintly glow for easier pick up? That would be awesome<3 <3

[granite plinth]

make dagger mastery a useable perk by making rogues knives more useful then a pool noodle

[fair oasis]

I did some testing! and agree~ a slight buff to it in some way would make it worth alongside others! it adds a bit of needed dmg but as I put in my recordings here #rogue message it adds a substantial amount to your rapid stabs that is appreciated, but definitly not substantial enough as it was most likely based on daggers before their nerf <3

[jovial swan]

I honestly think they should remove Ambush's damage modifier and make it a 30% attack speed increase modifier for the next 3 attacks within 5 seconds.

[atomic yacht]

make caltrops non charge based and instead just make it a cooldown

[jovial swan]

{Weapons}

Falchion - Nerf: Weapon damage universally reduced by 2.
Longsword - Nerf: Riposte damage bonus reduced to 130%.
Rapier - Nerf: Damage bonus reduced to 100% on hits 2 to 4.
Viking Sword - Buff: Attack angles changed to two quick diagonal slashes.
Viking Sword - Buff: Attack wind-up speed increased.
Zweihander - Buff: Weapon damage universally increased by 5.
Flanged Mace - Nerf: Armor penetration reduced to 5%.
Morningstar - Nerf: Armor penetration reduced to 8%.
Castillon Dagger - Buff: Weapon damage universally increased by 2.
Bardiche - Buff: Weapon damage universally increased by 3.
Bardiche - Buff: Attack animations changed to be more prominent in the swing and increase range.
Spear - Nerf: Weapon damage universally reduced by 2.
Battle Axe - Buff: Attack speed increased by 20%.
Felling Axe - Rework: Felling Axe is now a two-swing weapon that has higher recovery upon missing and does not transition into the second hit unless you hit the first.
Felling Axe - Rework: The second hit of the Felling Axe has high recovery.
Longbow - Nerf: Weapon damage universally reduced by 10.
Longbow - Nerf: Attack charge time increased to 2.8 seconds.
Recurve Bow - Nerf: Weapon damage universally reduced by 5.
Crossbow - Nerf: Armor penetration reduced to 8%.
Windlass Crossbow - Nerf: Armor penetration reduced to 12%.
Crystal Sword - Change: The Crystal Sword can now have a secondary item equipped to it that isn't a magical item. This removes its ability to charge spells, however.
Drum - Nerf: Weapon damage reduced to 10/11/12/13/15/17/19/21.
Lute - Buff: Weapon can now be used by all classes.

[gritty bobcat]

Sad to see that the goblin caves number of players hasn’t gone back up to 9 and reduce the amount of portals that spawn.
They’ve had multiple patches to fix it since it got ruined.

I can’t speak for other people as I don’t know the numbers, but I’m sure majority of people dislike it just by searching for “goblin cave” in the discord. And people will leave slowly, and it’s kind of sad as this was my favorite game by MILES.

[eager creek]

Squish the base number on gear way closer together, where White is only slightly worse than blue or purple. Gear rarities already have additional augments for each rarity grade, having the base numbers almost identical will feel more rewarding for both the noob and chad. the noob will have to outplay, and the chad wont steamroll as easily.

[jovial swan]

Forgot to add one more change I had:

Hunting Traps: Hunting Traps have been removed due to their imbalance and the fact Rangers have had it good for too long.

[eager creek]

this common gear suggestion is good, i think this would bring my friends back to the game

did you post it on suggestions?

[jovial swan]

Or, perhaps:

Hunting Traps - Hard Nerf: Hunting Traps now require an entire 7.5 second animation of setting them up. This can no longer be sped up by the perk as it will be removed.
Hunting Traps - Hard Nerf: Hunting Traps can no longer restrain people. They simply slow down their movement speed by 30% for 5 seconds.

[eager creek]

I wish the traps just massively slowed, like 50%, only one foot is caught, you should be able to drag it...

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502605/gear-equalization-white-purple upvote if like

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502606/common-gear-should-be-unlosable Now I did.

[keen scaffold]

so when are the warlock nerfs happening and what are they gonna do with BoC and hydra+ CoP?

[sullen venture]

Regional locks

[eager creek]

Boc is not the OP spell lol.

[small furnace]

BoC is absolutely OP, way too much sauce into one skill.

[jovial swan]

One can say the same about Judgement and that hasn't been hard nerfed yet.

[mint sluice]

this game is completly unplayable on ruins it is ridiculous they would implement such a high vaulue item on only one map it makes the entire loby just spawn rush and kill for gold because it is the only thing worth doing so you just end up with a bunch of spawn rushers and juicers just adding to theyre bank overall not been fun since patch

[jovial swan]

Instacast needs to be gotten rid of or hard nerfed by tier. Ain't no way we should allow that to be a thing.

[eager creek]

it did just get hard nerfed

[eager creek]

Just kite for 15 seconds. the real prob w warloc is the same before the nerf. class is weak until you get gear, and when that happens you become op

[small furnace]

So how is a melee class supposed to fight a warlock then, like wut?

A base grey staff with BoC can one tap with just a little magic damage. If you can kite for 15 seconds, then they certainly can... the cooldown is only 15 seconds lmao.

[eager creek]

Phantomize is what stops melee classes way more than boc. Literally cant engage if we phantomize and flame walk. its so cheese.

[small furnace]

As a fighter if I see a warlock clap his hands together I just run. There's no point, I'm never gonna out damage BoC as a melee class that is designed to do melee damage.

Phantomize is annoying but at least I can fight them after it runs out. If they pop flamewalker and run at me with phantomize I just sprint and run away lmao.

[eager creek]

you cant outrun my build lol. But I never run into the player unless I have to, it just makes space.

[small furnace]

I don't care if geared warlock is strong, if I can't outrun your build so be it. I'm talking about even ungeared warlock one tapping you with BoC. It's way too strong.

[eager creek]

Id argue fighters second wind is the best starting ability, by a mile. Boc just removes healing, so thats why you feel it harder.

[small furnace]

Ok so you are clearly misinformed because second wind is not affected by BoC anti heal lol

[eager creek]

Didnt know that, dont play the class much.

[small furnace]

I feel it 'harder' because a warlock one or two taps me as a melee character even if I get the jump on him. That doesn't feel right that a warlock can just press a button and win any melee engagement.

[eager creek]

its in a pretty weak place compared to the 2 other melee classes.

[small furnace]

Even if I'm playing barb I will not go to trade a BoC with a warlock unless I damn well know he's already low.

[eager creek]

ok, now youre capping, barb craps on warlock lol. Boc only does 25 extra damage w no gear.

[small furnace]

Ok so you ARE misinformed, good to know then.

[eager creek]

I mean, we can do gear checks haha. My barb and warloc are loaded.

[small furnace]

I'm not talking about gear here but you just said it's only 25 extra damage, which means you clearly don't know how the scaling on BoC works.

[eager creek]

ok, how much does ungeared boc do?

tbh i havent played with the skill since the spell changes.

[small furnace]

It does +20 additional damage, but it also takes into account the extra magic damage from staff, which I assume you already knew because you said 25.

HOWEVER, it also takes in any additional magic damage, which ofc base kit doesn't have... but it ALSO takes into account any magical power bonuses, which base kit DOES have. On top of that it also is affected by headshot modifier. Which means you have a base kit skill that can just add like 40-50 damage onto your attack for free.

[eager creek]

No, I wasnt counting the staff damage - staff always does that. was counting the will + dmg bonus.

[small furnace]

Oh, well it def aint 25. Go try some damage tests on the dummy with base kit warlock with optimized perks sometime.

The main problem comes from the scaling. If it were always just 20-25 extra damage in base kit I wouldn't care, but it being able to benefit from magical power, magical damage and also headshot modifier is just way too much damage. I would not care if it were always just 20 25 damage as you say. That's a perfectly reasonable chunk of extra damage for a melee skill. (Which begs the question, why is victory strike such awful trash compared to it? I would KILL for a 20 damage victory strike)

[eager creek]

Just punched the dumby, it was 26 body shot

[small furnace]

Perks?

[eager creek]

32 with staff, which counts the magic damage from staff.

I actually had malice on (+will) which you shouldnt run anyways

[small furnace]

I can't login to the game rn so I can't really test cause dead servers for me.

but iirc Warlock has 25% magical power on base kit correct?

So a bonk with staff is 25 phys damage.

Activate BOC and it takes into account the magical damage.

So it adds 20 + 5 damage to the melee attack.

That's already a 50 damage melee strike.

Now we take into account for the 25 damage the +25% magical power. That ought to be 32 damage.

So 32+25 = 57.

Now we can apply that as a headshot modifier and we'll say the average player has 10% headshot reduction which means a 40% increase in damage. That's upping the damage to 80.

80 damage on a melee attack with a base kit warlock staff. Come on, that's a bit ridiculous, and it only gets more ridiculous when you add in a bit of scaling stats.

You should not be two tapping people that get within melee range of you as a base kit warlock with a staff.

[violet sequoia]

Warlock combo, 1 curse of pain, 1 BoC at the head

[jovial swan]

Gonna be real, they need to hard nerf these no-skill abilities:
-Sprint
-Second Wind
-Cut Throat
-Quick Shot
-Judgement
-Blow of Corruption

They need to be worse than they currently are.

[pine comet]

I have never seen anyone complain about cut throat before

[jovial swan]

It's becoming the meta for Rogue now.

Also, I just got one-tapped from full health by a BoC Warlock. If this skill does not get changed soon, I'm out.

[pine comet]

How do you feel about smite staff cleric

[jovial swan]

That needs to go, too. Anything that allows for instant magic damage is pretty dumb.

[lime kernel]

good thing ur not a dev

[celest pagoda]

run till its gone cleric is slow

[pine comet]

As a cleric, I can assure you that the four holy strikes I have at my disposal will be going up your rectum the moment you try and run

[celest pagoda]

with that slow ass staff im gone by the time your done casting

[pine comet]

You underestimate the range on the staff

[celest pagoda]

i play cleric no spells i've killed countless clerics with spells lol i dont underestimate nothing

[pine comet]

Wait idk why I said range on staff, I meant range on holy strike

[vernal hedge]

mostly good changes but I find some unnecessary nerfs to already underused weapon nad some buf missing:

1. I think longsword shouldn't be nerfed, if anything receive a slight buff to it has being a longsword figther realistically puts you at a disavantage if playing against someone that knows how to counter LS
2. Viking sword has laready been changed several times and is in a good spot currently, your attack wind-up change would make it better than horsemans axe at every point
3. I don't think maces need any change, only people realistically use them are cleric for lack of a better option
4. Castillon dagger should be for all dagger instead has they are currenty in a bad spot and underused, rapier and short sword are better at any situation pretty much
5. no need to nerf spears has they are only used by ranger basically, instead remove the 10% attack power bonus that rangers grab with their perk to not make it an even worse weapon for fighters
6. feeling right now is good, even a very geared barb missing a hit can cost him the fight due to the recovery time or a naked fighter can be able to upset a fight by placing his hits well

[neat jay]

STOP TRYING TO BALANCE GEAR, BALANCE CLASSES INSTEAD

[abstract swallow]

or, y'know, stop desperately trying to balance an early access game that has almost none of its content implemented

spoilers: even if you get good balance you've just wasted hundreds of manhours satisfying the noisiest parts of the community, who will immediately go back to complaining when you actually go back to finishing the game

[gusty lily]

so i am queueing for goblin caves with a grey green fighter and it takes forever, on my naked ranger i get in the game immediately. Sideeffect of gear based matchmaking?

[noble tide]

The Melt Perk on Wizard Should allow fireball to Destroy iron doors.

[gusty lily]

we need 3v3 random search so you can hit a button and que with strangers. And a friendlist. PLaying alone is boring after a while

[low osprey]

On your page have build recommendations for classes and what stats to focus

[vernal hedge]

no, the servers are having issues atm with matchmaking from others reports

[tender seal]

Nah the devs time is better spent bouncing the damage of a few abilites back and forth for a month instead of actually working on the game

[silver dock]

Almost everytime you speak you show you have no idea what balance is. First about the disperity between gear and then saying BoC isnt broken? Yeah lets have everyone listen to the person with such bad takes.

[vernal hedge]

One doesn’t mean the other isn’t being worked on.
A animator or designer won’t be doing balancing changes(or I’d hope but some of those changes make me wonder)

[silver dock]

Not sure why youre arguing with someone about how broken BoC is when everyone knows already. If they dont think so then let them be ignorant, no point in beating a dead horse with someone who doesnt think its a horse.

[tender seal]

1. It does if you're using your money to pay animators and designers instead of someone that can do balancing - budgets are not infinite, and who you choose to pay decides how fast you can deliver the related content

2. Ironmace has literally said that the constant balancing has affected their ability to actually deliver content - so maybe get off the high horse

[vernal hedge]

Lol you get of your high horse
you make it sound has if everyone at ironmace even the janitor is doing balancing changes
What I said isn’t wrong, just because balancing is being done doesn’t mean you are producing content which doesn’t make what ironmace said incorrect, it doesn’t have to be 8 or 80 there is also a middle ground
An animator or designer won’t be doing balancing work because that not their job,it was a joke, if they are doing it ironmace is completely lost

[tender seal]

Don't forget to gloss over #2 where ironmace literally said "balancing is slowing down our ability to deliver content" despite your claim otherwise lol

[bronze swallow]

Bold of you to assume the team is not 3 ppl in a basement hiring freelancers here and there 🤣

[vernal hedge]

I didn’t gloss over that but sure

@bronze swallow going of the info given they have a team of 25

[bronze swallow]

Yeah I’m just joking, there’s a lot more going on than just content and balancing though.

[vernal hedge]

Oh 100%, can’t forget about the ongoing lawsuit in Korea, appeal in the states, ddossing and all the other shit.
Im not defending them has I’d rather they also left balance for at least after we get the training/skill tree implemented, I’m just putting context into stuff

[indigo egret]

If it was as broken as all you people who complain about it say it was it would have been nerfed when the rest of the warlock was nerfed. But it wasn't because it's not broken. Yall just think it is cuz you don't know how to not w key people.

[vernal hedge]

It’s broken because the same reason that weak point was broken, it’s burst damage that the devs are against, same reason Achilles strike got nerfed, so having boc in its current iteration is going against the same reason the devs expressed for previous nerfs to other classes

[bronze swallow]

I don’t think these are too, strong. They other options are just not good enough or situational

[indigo egret]

The difference between them is that BOC has a Timer while the other 2 do not that's why they were op. You can run from a BOC warlock and wait for it to run out. Not to mention they also had very strong debuffs on top

[vernal hedge]

Put a timer on wpa and it would be just has broken, you don’t need to pre cast it, you use it just before going in, at that point 80% of classes do not have the ability to run

[bronze swallow]

Pick rates should be a good indicator of ability balance, how are other fighter abilities not being buffed if only 2 are selected

[indigo egret]

The difference there is a Rouge is actually able to catch up to you

[vernal hedge]

In fact on rogue example specially you never want to have wpa active unless you are in the fight already had it makes you visible af, but this is more of a rogue exclusive

[vernal hedge]

A warlock that isn’t dumb will aswell because speed is their second most important mod second to magical healing

[bronze swallow]

I can’t say BoC is absolutely broken, but it’s poor design imo. Always felt like a placeholder ability to get the warlock out there but doesn’t capture his identity so we’ll

[indigo egret]

True but we're talking about non geared people here

[vernal hedge]

Ah missed the that part then

[bronze swallow]

Healing reduction is a step in the right direction. It should be interacting with curses and rebuffing to pull off damage and utility rather than the easy solution of flat M damage

[vernal hedge]

Yep this is my opinion, I think one of the bigger issues with it is the fact it’s damage can scale with headshot which allows you to 1 shit or nearly one shot most classes

[bronze swallow]

Warlock should have a varied selection of 1-strike abilities with a more interesting choice than just flat D. BoC - prevent healing for 15 sec (this alone could be insane in a team fight). Draining strike- heal for the amount of damage dealt. Cursed strike. Reset the curse duration and amplify of all cursed on target

[bronze swallow]

Excuse how unreadable this is

[vernal hedge]

Anti healing would be great, would make playing without cleric much more viable and add a big risk for buffballs to keep in mind

[bronze swallow]

It’s definitely needed and warlock and rogue are the best classes to wield it. Not only would it balance class pick rate but also ability pick rate. Maybe for once not all fighters and rangers would choose “press button to heal”

Generally I dislike that fighters run only 2 actives when the fighter class should have so many interesting manoeuvres and abilities

[silver dock]

The majority say its broken, but then just because you disagree then they all must be wrong, right? XD get over yourself, kid. Aye if you could read at all then youd know im not gonna argue with the same type of person I was just stating, kid

[silver dock]

Other skills arent that great though. The only other skill to even be worth taking if you know fighter is adrenaline rush. Every other skill is genuinely pointless or outclassed. The taunt is pointless 99% of the time as the isnt strictly pve for you to use it safely. Shield smash is absurdly bad. Victory strike is arguably almost good enough to run, but its still just outclassed in general.

[bronze swallow]

Yeah that’s what I said previously

[clear helm]

If a warlock play BoC that literally trolling gear team vs gear team you need to have phantomize + spell

[bronze swallow]

I know, I don’t think it’s 100% pick or busted - just boring hasty design

[clear helm]

BoC is just not playable against good player tr$sh skill tbh

[silver dock]

This argument is point less as the same thing was said for rogues. But look how they got nerfed because guess what? Team play isnt the only type of gameplay.

Saying its a trash skill is like saying that achilles strike was too. You have no argument. So lets pipedown there bud

[clear helm]

Without spell and phantomize you have no escape or tempo

[bronze swallow]

Bait statement lol

[silver dock]

Brain dead in any capacity in reading apparently.

[silver dock]

Ah didnt see that. But yeah its a shame they have such cool ideas that fall flat

[clear helm]

You asked for explanation

[tidal cloud]

funny how u assumed that. I only said that because the ones who destroys people in normals are always guys who dont have the confidence to bring those items to a High-Rolle match. In my opinion normal matches u shouldn't be able to bring something so outrageously good that u gonna be killing most people with 2 to 3 hits. And lets remember that this is a game and the top priority is to have fun, a lot of friends of mine quited the game due to how unbalanced normals were, yeah they were "bad" for the average "tryhard" that only thinks about its own butt while the game is losing more and more players, because he aint good enough to go to high-roller games and go against people who are on the same level of gear

[limpid niche]

Go to work

[bronze swallow]

Credit where it’s due but they’re not that creative though with the abilities

[silver dock]

XD not at all. Thanks for proving you cant read. Makes it much easier to prove to everyone youre talking out your a**

[clear helm]

"You have no argument. So lets pipedown there bud "

[bronze swallow]

And easy fix to make sprint more strategic or out-playable would be a small exhaustion period at the end, where you move slower.

[silver dock]

Riiight... where in that did I asked for an explanation, kid? Thats a simple statement. Thanks for giving evidence yourself of your illiteracy. XD

[clear helm]

You asked for argument that the same as explanation of my statement

[silver dock]

So like adrenaline rush

[clear helm]

But be arrogant that gonna prove ur right rn

[bronze swallow]

MS is so crucial, an ability with such a big impact that’s useful across the board for any situation will have 100% pick rate

A good idea for fighter perk would be small MS boosts on-hit for combo rather than the small extra damage

[silver dock]

Its not arrogance when youre the one failing to understand a simple statement. So learn proper grammar before you keep typing. You just look like an idiot.

[clear helm]

bro you asked for argument i try to explain and give one and you sau i can't read 💀

• english is not my first langage

[silver dock]

Aye thats a pretty good one. I feel as that because fighters are a jack of all traits and master of none that they made the skills simplistic. But doing something like that would be a great change.

[silver dock]

Asking is if I said, wheres your argument? What I said was a statement. So lets not talk when you cant even understand that, and have the audacity to talk and call someone arrogant, kid.

[clear helm]

Because you are arrogant that fact like the fact boc is not playable in 1v1 2v2 or 3v3 against good player

[silver dock]

You keep failing to read even the first sentence, but yet youre stuck on a simple statement you THINK is a question. So no matter how much you spew your bs you really dont have an argument. Hope you can read this and learn what it means one day 😉

[indigo egret]

you think your loud minority is the majority. The devs can see it that way to as again it wasn't nerfed with everything else

[clear helm]

I understand that you wrote a statement but the think is you just don't want to talk. Just be arrogant

You're probably from Na with this kind of mentality

[silver dock]

you seem to not be able to read. Your excuse calling people the loud minority is exactly the same as rogues. XD can you cope harder for the people in the back?

[clear helm]

bro think he is god and unserstand the game better than everyone 💀

[indigo egret]

No I'm using the actual developers of the games as backing of this, since when they nerfed everything else about warlock BOC stayed unnerfed which means it's not as broken as you cry about

[silver dock]

You said i asked, when I clearly didnt. Not sure if you even know what arrogant means if you cant even get your own fact right

[silver dock]

peopled asked before to nerf bard too and they didnt until recently. You have no point in thinking your using the devs when thats a thing they did too, idiot. XD

[clear helm]

Saying someone have no argument is like asking for them but ok

[indigo egret]

The difference is they did nerf warlock just not BOC

[silver dock]

"is like" cope harder. If i knew you had an argument then Id ask. You were using team comps as an argument in a game with solo play as well. Which if it wasnt good then no one would run it, which is def not the case. So why are you still talking?

[clear helm]

the game is based about 3v3 and even in 1v1 without phantomize you can't play

na cave goblin player 💀

[thick sky]

🕸️ Spider Mummy Boss Incoming 🕸️
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502677/gigantic-spider-mummy-boss
Thank you for your consideration

[silver dock]

Difference or not my point stands. You act like they are perfect at nerfing things, prime example are longbows. It would also make sense for them to nerf the spells they just added over BoC, finish the character then nerf.

[silver dock]

Then they wouldnt have nerfed rogue... you keep talking without any thought. Its just sooo funny XD. You make it so easy to prove anything you say is pointless.

[clear helm]

Rogue was not nerfed because of cave goblin, but because that was easy to rat and oneshot someone in crypt but that fine

HR was full of rogue for this reason.

[silver dock]

Oh i thought it was based on 3v3 why didnt you change that up all of a sudden?

[clear helm]

Crypt is 3v3 but HR was unplayble because of that . I maintain the balance is about 3v3

Rogue was destroying 3v3 lobby by just beeing AT every corner

Same reason they made HR AT 150g with less player they wanted only Gear team and not rogue

[silver dock]

Xd you must be joking you think whatever your spouting is true?

[clear helm]

Cave goblin is not the Real game

[silver dock]

Kid the top rollers for the other dungeons other than gc werent rogues. You know what was the top for gc?

you probably didnt guess it because you have no idea what youre talking about. so let me help you, rogues.

[clear helm]

Never said the top roller were rogue and that normal because the rogues were in HR to make money and kill people

[silver dock]

So thats how ik your talking out your a** when the game itself showed what was doing the best. You think you can lie when the proof was there already? XD youre so fun to talk to as I can prove all that you said straigh up bs

[clear helm]

Patching around gc is the worse thing dev Can do

[silver dock]

The leader boards were looking at what too, kid? Hr you idiot

[clear helm]

Rogues was not going to be on top in lb while beeing rat you are do stupid ahahah

[silver dock]

Stop making a fool of yourself man. What logic is that when if they are doing so well then it wouldnt show. Wheres your logic in that at all... your so delusional to your own arguments

[clear helm]

Every HR lobby was full of rogue

Beeing a rat make money but not as beeing good as a team. But beeing a rogue rat was easy that why everyone was doing it. It did not show on lb because geared team would perform better and play more than some rat

[silver dock]

Theres a reason why people kept saying that they were trash in 3v3 comp. Youre legit the only one to every say that they were good. Ratting when it has no effect on a 3v3 comp wouldnt make them change them. You cant even stick to your own logic.

[clear helm]

It effect on lobby, I Can read you 'ever played HR crypt in that moment. Only two or only one geared team by lobby

[naive elk]

Next wipe we need to be able to convert gold coins in gold bar, having gold ingots/keys representing high gold quantity is bad for the game economy, since people can just mine gold ore and "print" money, this will inflate the conomy in mid/long run.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502495/gold-coin-conversion

[clear helm]

And full rogue trying to sneak for treasure and teamup to kill ur dps

[silver dock]

having an effect on the lobby and having an effect on 3v3 comp are different then idiot. You cant even hold your own argument straight.

[clear helm]

Lb and competitivity make the game popular for numerous people. But rogue every where was destroying it

[clear helm]

Never Say it affect 3v3 comp but 3v3 in general

Learn how to read bro

Idk why I keep talking to someone who think boc IS not trash...

[silver dock]

is a 3v3 comp not a part of the general point? Lets not try talking smack kid. You just look idiotic

[clear helm]

you literrally said that having an effect on lobby and 3v3 is diff

bro can't talk without trashtalking and saying he is right

you delusional probably NA and only play gc open your door touch some grass and connect neurone

cya ❤️

[indigo egret]

As I said earlier he is apart of the loud minority who thinks everything they say is right. I just ignore them because they are incapable of looking at facts and reality

[clear helm]

fact

[silver dock]

XD because you think that there are only 3v3 lobbies. Having an effect on the lobbies is a general thing. Rogues had no effect on 3v3 comps themselves., which is what the devs are actually looking at. The 3v3 buff ball had an effect on the lobbies and comps as well.

[clear helm]

The game is originally 3v3 and focus around that who care about gc, just casual who think the game is hardcore...

Gc is a gold mine that all

[earnest night]

Give the stinky stick higher base damage or increase the cloud chance Significantly and able to hurt PVE, right now it feels like a 10% chance that never procs on players, grief your team
all in all the trolls bane is better than it

[mellow sapphire]

clouds do hurt pve, it just sucks

[earnest night]

So you either craft a godly troll's bane that you already know the rolls when crafting, or get a shitty artifact with most likely shitty rolls that all it does is grief your team

[golden fractal]

My opinion/suggestions - feel free to flame them as you see fit. I've gotten every class to 20 (except bard) and have done most content available as most classes. I'll start with what I consider my "main" - If I had to chose one class, it would be:

**Wizard **- Needs a buff and maybe a few more spells. A "Shotgun" type spell would be handy. Something with an Area of Effect without risking blasting yourself. Like Fire-Spray or Ice Shards. Short distance, wide area, low damage per projectile / high projectile count. A Zone Spell would be nice, too. Ice Wall / Arcane Barrier - Something big enough to block a door for a few seconds. Maybe even longer than a few seconds but destructible.
Their defensive perks NEED some love. They're not worth it. The "frostbite" on Ice Shield is barely (if at all) noticeable and the 20 armor is 2% damage reduction. If a goblin hits me for 50 dmg, it reduces the damage by 1. But it does nothing for the poison. Reactive Shield is more like Reactive Wet Napkin. It can soak up...nothing. It doesn't change the number of hits it takes for anything to kill you (except maybe spiders).
Their perks are lacking. I'd suggest something that allows for slightly faster spell recovery during rest, so that Meditation isn't all but essential. Not so fast as to make Meditation irrelevant, but fast enough to use Intense Focus without sacrificing 25% of your run resting to recover your spells.
Maybe a perk that allows for your Knowledge Stat to replace your Strength Stat when using either a Crystal Ball & Weapon or Crystal Sword.
Give Reactive Shield a bonus vs. Ranged Damage? Maybe emit a Knockback effect when melee damage triggers it?
A perk that doubles the number of times you can cast each spell. That would make Meditate less of a requirement.
/endwiz

[mellow sapphire]

pretty much, but what does trolls bane do?

[indigo egret]

While I agree some new spells would be nice and all that you mentioned sound fine to me. As for your perk suggestion I think not just wiz but every class besides warlock needs a perk rebalance as there are so many that are never used or not really worth using over others. I do however disagree with the faster recover of spells and that meditate is required. Early on it is Definitely good as it allows you to get back a good amount of spells but once you get a good amount of clarity there is no reason to run it over intense focus or more spells. So I belive it to be fine where they are right now. Maybe some spell capacity changes for some spells will be needed. IE I think zap should cost 1 more

[silver dock]

an excuse to justify your side being the minority. What sense does it make for the majority to be silent? You and your boyfriend arent even on the same page yet you agree with eachother? So why did they nerf the rogues then? The people complaining about them were solos, but based on your boyfriends logic they did it based on the 3v3 scene? No one complained that about them in 3v3, meaning that 3v3 is the majority? But if no one complained about them in 3v3 then how would your logic match up to what ramp said? Neither of your logic make sense with one another so how am I supposed to take whatever you say with any shred of value?

When rogues were broken and over played the rogue mains themselves were the ones saying that they were useless in 3v3. But if 3v3 was the reason they changed it whos the one lying here? If they were good in 3v3 then that means the rogue mains were lying to keep their mains from getting nerfed, sounds similar to warlocks rn. But if they really were bad in 3v3 then why would they change them if the minority in solos doesnt matter?

[earnest night]

same base damage and can roll up to 4% max hp

[limpid niche]

Remove silver coins from the game it would probably help with server performance too

[azure osprey]

How would you guys rate plate armor fighter with halberd and crossbow in goblin dungeon? I use it for 3v3 but always had support and am wondering if I'd be too slow

[golden fractal]

Moving on to Fighter.

I realize Fighter is the most played class, but realistically, they're the most underpowered. This is due to their poor stat distribution. Specifically the 15 Knowledge. Opening portals and shrines quicker just doesn't justify the stat sink. Barbarian has double the Strength right off the bat. I think this can be easily mitigated by including a perk that subtracts Knowledge and replaces those stats with Strength/Agi. Maybe a perk that Does -5 Knowledge for +5 Strength and another perk that would -5 Will for +5 Agility. Or something to that effect. Not necessarily those exact numbers. But I believe that if something like that was included, it would become as universal as Second Wind. -5 Knowledge for +5 Strength would be immediately employed by almost every Fighter Main in the game.
Most of their perks are well designed and work. However, I've done some testing and I think (I may be wrong) I've found that the "Counterattack" perk only activates with the "Perfect Block" Skill. Again - I've tested this, and I rarely notice a difference after blocking an attack UNLESS I have Perfect Block Equipped, successfully "Perfect Block" an attack (with the sound effect), and immediately counterattack. In that situation, there is a NOTICEABLE attack and movement speed increase. Aside from that, almost never anything noticeable.
Shield Slam is worthless. The range to impact an opponent is shorter than the range you hold it while equipped. You have to be virtually ON TOP of the target. When you use it - the shield ceases being a shield and attacks can penetrate it.
Taunt could be reworked. Maybe rework the damage reduction so that if you're in a party of 3, everyone gets 10%, if you're duo's, you both get 15%, and solo, you get 30%. Didn't mean to reply.

[golden fractal]

But since I accidently replied to you already, I'd say that if you have good aim, you'll do work. But if your aim isn't spectatular, you'll be too slow and probably worked by a naked barb.

[wind leaf]

Restart your servers. They've been unstable since morning. EU can't join matches and there has been no announcement.

[golden fractal]

Cleric.

They're actually kind of Over Powered. That's all. They're in a really good place. A good Cleric can be a headache for any class. But a bad cleric is easy loot. And they're virtually essentially to serious "High Level" content. I'd like to see more weapons available, though. A Flail would be awesome. I'd also like to see a Talisman or Rosary capable of casting Cleric Spells in One Hand and Bopping things with my other. Crystal Ball style, but with a cleric. That might be too much, though. They're already the most powerful class, IMHO.

[earnest night]

How is the class with the most pdr, access to shield, longsword AND AWP, sprint, midfight heal underpowered in anyway ?

[craggy kayak]

Fighter second wind gets longer duration with the Will stat, but only heals for a fixed 50%. It should have a base 50% heal and recover more hp if you have positive buff duration.

[earnest night]

it's already the best fighter skill sooo, no it doesn't need buffs

[craggy kayak]

fighter has no super strong perks or skills, just usefull ones. Has never had anything like achilles or double jump, i wouldnt mind some fighter love

and arguing its the best so it doesnt need work doesnt make sense, its clearly not intended to punish the fighter if they have more will

[earnest night]

every class has wasted stats, barb starts with 11 agi 18 will

[golden fractal]

I've explained already how it's underpowered. I immediately do in the post you reply to. You can read it. But I don't think you read anything I wrote so I'll just offer to demonstrate for you how underpowered Fighter is. I've had this discussion and had to make this demonstration a number of times. Would you like to 1v1 me, your fighter vs my Barbarian? This'll be the 5th time I've had to kill a fighter to prove the point, but I'm willing to. Fighter is not much in a fight. A Barb is literally twice as powerful.

And no, only Fighter has legitimately wasted stats.

[thick sky]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502677/gigantic-spider-mummy-boss
thank you for your consideration

[craggy kayak]

@earnest night will is not a wasted stat its MR and buff duration. it shouldnt punish the fighters second wind if he builds any of it

[golden fractal]

If fighters had a perk that allowed for -5 Knowledge or -5 Will for +5 Str, everyone would take it. If you did the same thing but +Agi instead of Str, most people would still take it.

[earnest night]

ok give barbs windlass crossbows and ill allow fighter to get 5 more will and remove 5 knowledge

[golden fractal]

Barbs should get a Longbow. The Crossbow is too High-Tech for a Barbarian.

[past gale]

Wheres the DEVS to talk about the Brazilians Servers?

[midnight forum]

This game currently has a major issue with the Warlock's damage output. Even Fighters are almost instantly defeated, which is a clear indication of a significant balance problem. I urge you to promptly reduce the Warlock's damage output and adjust it to a more appropriate balance.

[restive rock]

.jaysavvy, rather than a stat-allocation perk, what if the fighter got more ways to use will and knowledge? The devs have thought of implementing scrolls, which the fighter could utilize.

[summer kelp]

Instead of forcing knowledge on bards for spell memory make it coupled to the quality of the instruments as it's currently mostly meaningless and alleviates pure Stat necessity while keeping gear reliance

[mellow sapphire]

game just needs a new stamina system. Make it where you can only swing so many times. Or how long you can hold a bow charged, spell charged, instrument played

[merry kestrel]

Cleric Smite is worse. Warlock BOC is countered by fighters just bringing a shield.

[rough elm]

I don't think warlock damage output is the main problem here it's just that fighter barely has any magic resistance , and by adding some more options for fighter to get more magic res would be correct choice. Even if u right now went full magic res with fighter u would be vulnerable to physical attacks because it would be kinda like 30% magic res + 40% phys and that 30% magic res wouldn't do shit to protect you. So it's not even worth going for magic res and best choice would be just stack as much dr as possible , and use different strategies to combat warlocks-wizards instead going straight for any of the mages. Which again well any mage class will do extremely well against fighters and is supposed to and vice versa.

[earnest night]

You do know that warlock does magic damage ? fighter isn't supposed to be resistant to magic

[vast echo]

When is ruins hell gonna be a thing

[tender seal]

They just want to stack MR with no downside - being physical combat king isnt good enough apparently

[earnest night]

Fighters mains be like, second wind should be instant full health, armor should give 120 armor and 100 MR, be able to block every weapon with perk, use the windlass to remove 3/4 or even one shot certain classes, but it's underpowered ofc

[tender seal]

"I took some damage before i one tapped him, nerf wizard"

[quartz jetty]

You're complaining about the weakest class in the game

[earnest night]

No, buff barbs I should be able to one shot any fighters with a warmaul

[quartz jetty]

😆

[merry kestrel]

no real fighter main believes any of this. we understand our counters, we're just tired of being boring

[earnest night]

Well maybe don't play the master of nothing class, it's literally a starter class average at everything, literal walking tin can

[merry kestrel]

I actually put together a non insignificant fighter revision suggestion that I think makes necessary changes to fighter without buffing them significantly, and nerfs some of their more powerful skills, to allow them to focus on being "a jack of all" instead of "yeah we wear armor"
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/496879/fighter-skillperk-revisions

[earnest night]

Also if it's that boring, why is it the most played class, longsword isn't boring in any way

[merry kestrel]

Rogue was the most played class during the last poll, actually.

Longsword is also the most non-meta weapon in the game that you can't even sell an all +weapon damage purple longsword for more than 150g. It's slow, has an extreme MS penalty, and parry-riposte is skill dependent and only counters barbs since most other classes either fight from range or too close for parry to be consistent.

[earnest night]

well most fighters use kite+falchion or arming which is -35ms or -40ms, same as longsword and you can have a bow or a 1 tap crossbow, you can literally use anything in the game except magic how is it boring

[merry kestrel]

Heater, not kite*, and Heater also reduces speed significantly more while blocking, which is how it's used. In addition, Shield is fighter's most primary tool - akin to spells on a wizard.

If you get one tapped by a bow or crossbow from a fighter, you were out of position and providing a headshot without moving.

and i mean a true one tap headshot. Most people say "HE ONE TAPPED ME" when it was really a culmination of damage that led to their problem,

[earnest night]

you can easily hit for more than 100dmg headshot with a blue or purple windlass with a bit of gear

[frosty juniper]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497290/remove-weapon-damage-attribute-from-armor

[merry kestrel]

and that's a stat availability issue, not a problem w/ the weapon itself.

[frosty juniper]

ranged weapons hit way too hard in comparison to slowass 2handed weapons

[merry kestrel]

real and factual, buff 2h weapons

[frosty juniper]

at least longbow/xbow/windlass are way overtuned. Gray longbow 33 dmg, gray xbow 40 dmg, gray longsword 33 dmg

[quartz jetty]

Longbow does as much as a bardiche and its faster from across an entire room lol 😆

[merry kestrel]

please don't remove fighter's only counterplay to anything that's not an out of position rogue

[frosty juniper]

But should ur xbow hit harder than ur longsword?

[quartz jetty]

Thats the thing is that its crossbow is the only thing making fighter slightly viable.
Also makes no sense that it does more damage than a massive sword to the face tho

[merry kestrel]

no, longswords and spears need a buff (halberd unironically fine just no perk support)

[merry kestrel]

Longswords and Spears need a buff, other things don't need nerfs. A fighter with a longsword is more vulnerable than a fighter with a sword and shield, regardless of LS's damage.

also also Zwei needs to lead with a poke to be anywhere near viable. its current combo makes it unusable in 90% of space.

[quartz jetty]

Zweihander could use changes I'm fine with longsword and spear how they are

[merry kestrel]

how long have you played w/ longsword?

[quartz jetty]

Quite a bit. It has its weaknesses but riposte is extremely strong if you land it

[merry kestrel]

so you're fine with longsword doing the same damage as a falchion?

[quartz jetty]

It does more damage tho

[merry kestrel]

how much do you wanna bet

[abstract swallow]

Are people still defending the longsword as anything but a noobstomper

[merry kestrel]

yeah

[quartz jetty]

Riposte outdamages most weapons

[abstract swallow]

Fighter chat is cope city and even we figured out longsword is one of the worst weapons in the game lmao

[merry kestrel]

[quartz jetty]

Longsword also has more range and starts with a poke so its a tradeoff with the higher regular dps of the falchion

[tender seal]

A grey one does at least 90 with no gear at all on headshot - if you can hit your shots windlass fucking murders

[earnest night]

Bro 2 hit from a white longsword riposte removes like 140 hp from barb

[merry kestrel]

Longsword directly counters barbarians, yes

And only barbarians

[quartz jetty]

And pretty much all barb weapons are really easy to riposte

[earnest night]

and other fighters

[merry kestrel]

only if the other fighter is bad. The key is to hug a longsword user because they can't parry if you're too close

you want your target at arm's length to pull off consistent parries, and even then if the opponent as good footwork they can get out of riposte range quickly.

[earnest night]

ok and if they parry my barb when close with 180hp and 40 pdr if the longsword is green + with the fighter 0 gear im dead, im not taking this chance, longsword is the last weapon to need a buff

[merry kestrel]

you wont die, but if you get hit twice in the head by a riposte you only have 3 seconds to win the fight at that point

[earnest night]

I think you underestimate the riposte damage

[merry kestrel]

i do not

[earnest night]

riposte deals 150% multiplied by 150% headshot

i've been 2 tapped too many times as a geared barb to a grey fighter

[merry kestrel]

first, a barbarian having ONE counter does not make longsword good. not wanting one thing buffed because it only counters you and is useless in other scenarios shows your clear bias.

second, let's do some ACTUAL MATH.

Let's assume a 25 strength fighter, so he has a phys multiplier of 10%.

Let's assume a 35 damage white longsword, no other relevant modifiers.

35 damage * 1.87 riposte is 65.45 damage (damage and HP are actually decimel but rounded)

Headshot, 98.175 damage

40% PDR, 58.905

Gjermundbu helmet, 12% headshot reduction, 51.8364 damage final against a 40% PDR barb wearing a helmet

(edited: i originally said 35 damage green, but green is 36-38 damage, which would change the final outcome by 1-3 damage consequently)

so anyway, let's talk about longsword damage and how riposte does less headshot damage than a base maul in a base barb's hands.

or are you not ready for that conversation

@compact barn ☝️

kinda wack when you actually put numbers down on paper

[frosty juniper]

Can talk about grey battle axe being 38-40 dmg and gray xbow being 40-41dmg with 20% ARP xD

[merry kestrel]

like base frostbolt does 30 damage + junk staff 5 damage, 35 damage, + 15% more damage from base 20 will, so 40.25 damage BASE using a junk kit

[frosty juniper]

if longsword was a bad topic

[merry kestrel]

sure, hang on

Double Axe white 47-49 damage, we'll take 48.

48 x barbarian 1.15 base phys power multiplier at 30 strength (notice they need +15 to match wizard's +5 will) is 55.2 baseline damage on a white double axe on the only class that can use them.

Headshot multiplier 82.8 damage

let's assume 50% fighter for ease of math, so 41.4 damage, 20% headshot because hounskull, 33.12 headshot damage against a 50% fighter in a hounskull

[frosty juniper]

i meant battle axe but yea it outddmgs double axe too (45-47 as grey)

[merry kestrel]

now

[lone crescent]

Battle axe is useless, the worst weapon in the game currently

[merry kestrel]

let's say it's not a fighter in a hounskull and only 20% PDR. That's closer to 64 damage per headshot against any other class

[frosty juniper]

Agreed, but at the same time as its slow af, shit range af etc etc, xbow outdamages it 40dmg 20% arp vs 38 dmg (gray vs gray)

[lone crescent]

If they for whatever reason buff longsword they need to nerf riposte

[merry kestrel]

tbf historically the crossbow out damaged most things. It could drive wooden stakes through steel, 300 pound draw is nothing to laugh at.

[frosty juniper]

yes but its a game and one is a ranged option in a slow movement game xD

[merry kestrel]

we literally just went over the math. Riposte against a properly equipped barb does jack-all damage and only really counters barbs

Imagine being the king of the buffball meta and wanting your only solo counter to be nerfed. The narcisism lmao

[lone crescent]

For me Longsword is fine as it is

[frosty juniper]

riposte is also risky to pull off, even when i watch youtubers who make riposte guides it seems they get hit more than 50% of the time

[merry kestrel]

i wonder why

[quartz jetty]

Mans havin a hard time against a battle axe with a longsword yikes 😬

[frosty juniper]

also you have to time the click really well for riposte to even happen

[merry kestrel]

i mean if you're not using a sledgehammer or viking+lantern as a barb you're kinda throwing these days, ngl

[lone crescent]

The damage of normal hits is good and riposte does insane damage, a Fighter with grey longsword with a successful riposte could kill a decent geared Barbarian

[merry kestrel]

Even if someone catches a parry-riposte off your war hammer, it doesn't stop your combo.

[lone crescent]

You don't, you can just spam right click

[merry kestrel]

ok time to do more math.

[lone crescent]

Yeah war mault is kinda op, the only real counter is a shield

[frosty juniper]

war maul counters shield

[lone crescent]

With block perk you can kite the maul and never get hit

[frosty juniper]

hmm maybe with the block perk yea didnt consider that

[merry kestrel]

White warmaul 51-53 damage, let's assume 52.

Barbarian 30 strength/+15% phys power base, no other modifiers.

52 * 1.15 == 59.8 damage

headshot 89.7 damage

50% PDR == 30% PDR, 62.79

20% headshot hounskull, 50.232

so a base barbarian with no other modifiers headshots for the same damage as a fighter with +10 strength

[lone crescent]

Most Fighter in HR runs that perk, they block your hit and run away with speed boost

[merry kestrel]

you can't kite a warmaul, heater shields don't stop the combo and get staggered by it

[frosty juniper]

is it flat 20% pdr reduce and not 20% of 50%?

[merry kestrel]

the way it was explained to me is a flat 20% PDR reduction

[lone crescent]

It's very hard to hit with the perfect spot with maul, you will almost never deal the max damage

[lone crescent]

While you are staggered you move faster and you can run away

[quartz jetty]

Can't kite a war maul? What? Lmao

[merry kestrel]

so you get into a neutral position, neither a win or loss

[merry kestrel]

i mean what're you going to do? barb rages and puts away his maul and starts punching you until you turn around again lmao. you were already in melee once and PDR barbs are as fast as full plate fighters, faster with rage.

[merry kestrel]

Okay so are we discussing a perfect Parry artist versus an unskilled War Maul, or are we discussing equal skill level here? Pick one. I'm assuming both players are proficient with their weapon choice.

[quartz jetty]

You have sprint theres so many ways to beat it. You dont have to face tank it lol

[lone crescent]

Armor penetration "Increases the amount of Physical Damage that bypasses enemy's armor", this means that 20% of the total damage will ignore the armor

[merry kestrel]

You sprint, barbarian rages, == same speed, barbarian starts punching you, fighter speed == lower

idk why this is hard to understand m8

[lone crescent]

Yeah Barbarian has an advantage for sure, but it's not an instant 100% winrate vs a Fighter

Barbarian start punching you, you draw your weapon and get a free hit, maybe 2 cmon...

[merry kestrel]

Have any of y'all actually played a fighter or talked about the differences with people who play both fighter and barbarian

[tropic crescent]

yes you can just dont get hit first

barb vs fighter matchup is like 90/10 in barbs favor

[foggy sparrow]

What about additional thing for rogue's skill "creep", he opends doors quieter

[lone crescent]

No, you just need to play war maul to notice, you will almost never be at the exact range to deal 100%, the green hitzone is very very small

[merry kestrel]

rogues need a full ground-up rework, everyone agrees

[quartz jetty]

Sounds like you're getting outplayed

[lone crescent]

It's difficult even on mobs to get 100% damage

[hot hemlock]

Half of rogues perks should just be native to the class lmao

[merry kestrel]

remove jokester, or give jokester to bard. it adds to the perk bloat and doesn't make sense now that shadow hoods give +all and bard exists

[hot hemlock]

If you cant space war maul properly for sweetspot idk what to tell you bro that has never been a problem for me

[foggy sparrow]

oh that's nice

[hot hemlock]

Just remove jokester and make it so Storyteller gives +1 all to nearby teammates instead of the 3 knowledge 3 will

[lone crescent]

It's not that i can't do it, most of the time people will come closer to you and mitigate 30% of the damage or you will go closer to avoid being kited

If you always try to attack with sweetspot they just need one step back to dodge

[brave karma]

1v1s vs a barbmaul are difficult but not impossible, just a skill issue tbh

[teal plume]

Ironmace says they don't want an auction house, but refuse to address the problem of thousands upon thousands of chinese gold farmers, chinese trading bots, and chinese merch bots in the trade section. How do they expect us to play this game and actually trade people when it's just chinese players spamming 24/7 trying to overcharge on 99% of items.

[lone crescent]

I'm convinced that's part of the balance of the weapon to get an inconsistent sweetspot

[hot hemlock]

There is very little skill when it comes to countering barbmaul if they get first hit.

[lone crescent]

Really people underestimate how much distance a Fighter can create after being staggered by the mault

[brave karma]

dont let them get first hit

[earnest night]

maul is so easy to riposte with longsword

[brave karma]

longsword is ass

[atomic yacht]

buff caltrops and tumble

[earnest night]

so ass that you can kill and entire team faster than a warmaul buff ball barb

[brave karma]

only good in very few situations, if you not running a sheild on fighter jus switch to barb

[merry kestrel]

you realize stagger slows you right

[merry kestrel]

if you 1v3 an entire team w/ just a longsword, you found the timmies.

[lone crescent]

This is so fake lol

[tropic crescent]

longsword is so easy to avoid being parried with

[brave karma]

what

[brittle karma]

Just dodge the warmaul 🤷‍♂️

[lone crescent]

Watch from 3:45 for proofs@merry kestrel
https://youtu.be/5gkBGYTMYqc?feature=shared

[earnest night]

it's so rng with warmaul

also purple longswords cost 100g and 2 tap barbs with 40 pdr 180hp, so if you're asking me, are you willing to gamble against a longsword and lose all your gear to land 1 hit to insta die, after, nty

[charred summit]

The word staggered literally means you are not going at 100% in anything anymore lol

[lone crescent]

In the video he loses 7 points of movement speed while staggered, just 7, it's 3% less

While Barbarian will lose 40% while swinging

Also if you block the hilt of the maul you block his combo and he's dead

[brave karma]

what are yall arguing about

[earnest night]

Riposte is literally the scariest thing in the game

[lone crescent]

@charred summit watch the video for proofs

[brave karma]

jus block and look up for 100% block rate

[lone crescent]

Fighter already have all he needs to counter a war maul

[charred summit]

OK, but swinging and getting hit means you are staggered not sure what your argument is about... you said get staggered and you win...

[earnest night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8RAIMFnqeQ

[lone crescent]

You get staggered and you are still moving faster than a swinging Barbarian and can put distance

[earnest night]

tell me longsword is trash after watching that

[lone crescent]

If the Fighter can successfully block every hit and have enough space no one is able to kill the other and they can go on forever

[charred summit]

But you were saying getting staggered doesn't slow you... you said that's fake... stop contradicting yourself. You said staggered doesn't slow but now you are saying the staggered doesn't matter

[merry kestrel]

No no, he's right. With specifically the Counterattack perk, and looking away from the barb, and when naked, Staggered increases your MS with the +10% MS bonus.

[charred summit]

Ahhh ok so there was context he was not mentioning

[lone crescent]

It slows you yeah, by 3%, with counterattack perk a stagger will make you 7% faster

[merry kestrel]

first clip so 3 players mindlessly wail on a longsword user after killing 2 of his 3 teammates

[lone crescent]

Btw a round shield is a better counter for war maul

[earnest night]

as you can see all of them are geared and every single one gets 2 shotted, so your earlier math ain't mathin son

[merry kestrel]

no? they were getting hit by crossbow bolts beforehand

[thick sky]

guys please take a look at this suggestion and tell me how you feel, i think it would be fun and not too difficult to implement
i would love if this could get some traction https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/502677/gigantic-spider-mummy-boss

[charred summit]

There have been times where by the time I've recovered from block staggered, with counterattack and shield mastery, I'm already trying to block warmaul barbarian... not sure how I'm gonna use the extra movement when I can't stop their swinging to get into range. Also blocking the hilt of the hammer is finnicky from personal experience

[earnest night]

barb got crossbowed once the others full + shield

[merry kestrel]

@compact barn what's your take here buddy. do you think longsword doesn't need buffs? is it good as is?

[brave karma]

so wrong in 1v1

if barb uses anything other than a warmaul hes alr dead

[earnest night]

even with a warmaul he's gonna start fight with 50% cause of a crossbow bolt

[lone crescent]

Barb got hit once by crossbow and once by longsword before riposte and he was geared af to 2shot a cleric

[merry kestrel]

ok so are we arguing about longsword or gear power, i'm confused here

[charred summit]

Fighters need a shield perk that grants a action speed penalty to people he blocks against. Not alot but prevents people from just swinging away like nothing happened

[earnest night]

naked to naked i'm pretty sure a grey longsword riposte with the perk 1 shot anyone

[thick sky]

do you guys seriously not have an opinion on gigantic spiffer moomy boss?

[merry kestrel]

i already did the math, it literally only one shots people with no helmet, no PDR, and 98 HP.

[brave karma]

ya idk what these people yappin about, war mauls scary asf but fighter has advantage in a 1v1

[charred summit]

Just smack the legs, pretty easy to abuse the LS users, rarely do they ever get a riposte off on me

[merry kestrel]

it's telling when barb mains defend barbarian but fighter mains leave to play barbs because they're easier

[earnest night]

tip of sword is a block point so warmaul gets easily blocked

[charred summit]

Oh I'm talking about any weapon I use... not just warmaul

[lone crescent]

Longsword vs war maul is probably the worst matchup ever

[ruby kestrel]

the whole point of roles on gear is for them to help you. having any good rolls on anything being high roller only is so dumb. go play roblox or something lmao.

[earnest night]

yeah well I do qstaff and warmaul and let me tell you, qstaff is easy af to block

[lone crescent]

Maul will go through the sword, activate the parry and smash the head of the Fighter

[charred summit]

Anyways I gtg back to work

[brave karma]

sheilds are so good rn lmao what

[merry kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-UScSDGheM let's look at what a fighter main says about barb

[charred summit]

Barbs with crusher perk causes so much stagger when blocking against a warmaul or felling axe

[brave karma]

he also doesnt play solos, so most of his 1v1s arent organic barb v fighter

[merry kestrel]

neither was the longsword video from oggie that was posted

[charred summit]

Look fighters don't have alot of perks to use... and as a I said, not alot of action speed penalty maybe 3% at most

[brave karma]

sheild mastery grants a free hit everytime u block, utilze that and u win every non magic fight

[merry kestrel]

not against warmaul, only against HMA, viking, and maces, and only with a heater. maces stagger round shield

[charred summit]

^

[earnest night]

switching class just because it's meta rn is just weak mentality

[brave karma]

so dont use round lmao, dont let a cleric on top of u, war maul is barbs only sheild counter and if they didnt have it they would be dead in every fight

[frosty juniper]

It says ”Physical Damage Reduced = (100 - Attacker's Armor Pen) * Target's Physical Damage Reduction” on the dnd wiki btw. So its not flat 20%, had to look it up

[lone crescent]

No, felling axe with crush will light stagger round shields and do nothing to heater shields

Also the amount of impact power doesn't make the stagger last longer, there are no stagger, light stagger and heavy stagger

First if your impact power is lower than blocking power, second if they are equal and third if impact power is higher and war maul has 6 impact power without crush, it can stagger heater shields (with 5 blocking power) even without the perk

[merry kestrel]

if you're a good player you'll look into how other classes play so you know which classes are strong, which are weak, and how to counter them.

it's not a weak mentality, it's literally how top tier players get better. maybe you should try it.

[merry kestrel]

ok i'll just space the cleric and get flashbanged instead

[earnest night]

Yeah or just do like me and master 1 class and kill 10s of thousands and know how to fight everything even without switching to flavor of the week

[brave karma]

crossbow

[merry kestrel]

okay so you admit that barbarian is strong enough to counter any other class then? 🤔

[brave karma]

doesnt counter lock

[merry kestrel]

because of hydra? literally never heard a barb complain about lock lmao

[lone crescent]

20% armor penetration will make 20% of your damage completely ignore armor

A 130 hit from a war maul will do 26 flat +106

[earnest night]

some fights I don't take depending on location or I kite them where I want, just because I can fight them doesn't mean I counter them

[merry kestrel]

so it's even better or 🤔 ? i have a hard time with math parsing sometimes

[lone crescent]

You've never been in Barbarian chat then, it's our worst matchup

[merry kestrel]

fair

[brave karma]

phantomize by far most op skill in the game

[merry kestrel]

bring explosive bottles, barbs have positive will and explosive bottles are AOE magic damage. you'll ruin a warlock's day

[earnest night]

tbh now if they do hydra in a doorway I jump over and if they put in the open I consider whacking it 2 times with warmaul and warlock loses a good part of his hp casting it

[frosty juniper]

Yes thats what i mean, if someone has 50% pdr, 20% armor pen will make it do 40% dmg right?

[brave karma]

i dont play barb, but a explosive bottle does like 20 dmg if u stand in it, and a lock wil regen faster than an explosize bottle will do anything

[lone crescent]

It's not about hydra, it's the fact that they run faster than you and they slowly drain you hp with curse of pain and use phantomize when you finally reach them

[merry kestrel]

not really, they need to mad stack mag healing now because it's only 25% scaling. they halved healing potential in a hotfix recently

[brave karma]

still op with gear

[earnest night]

That's if the explosion bottle actually work and put fire on the ground I feel like it's always buggin and don't work

[merry kestrel]

anything's OP with gear. rogues with +25 true damage are OP with gear. that's a "Gear OP" argument, not a "warlock OP" argument

[brave karma]

nope

[lone crescent]

Taking as example a 100 damage hit you will do flat 20+40=60

[earnest night]

that's why barb is better with agi 300+ ms without rage and that's why i'm back to achilles

[merry kestrel]

ok. lol

[brave karma]

geared lock can beat any other geared class with ease

[lone crescent]

Rage is life

[earnest night]

yeah I know but you need AT LEAST 295ms before activating rage

[merry kestrel]

nope

[lone crescent]

But yeah you need to be at least around 300ms with fists to make the class playable

[merry kestrel]

why not just wait on the other side of doors and koolaid man through when you hear someone opening it

[earnest night]

well if you don't want to die to rangers and decent warlock if you have under 290 you're literally a walking lootbox to warlocks

[lone crescent]

Cause people who don't play Barbarian fail to consider the slowdown we get while swinging, they just see the movespeed while raging and they are like "omg op class"

[frosty juniper]

Killing running people with torch is meta as barb btw, only 3% slow on swing and more range than fist (faster run and more range)

[tranquil dagger]

Warlocks are rough for barb if they have a brain. It's not really hydra that's the problem, so much as kiting with flamewalker/phanomize while lifestealing

[brave karma]

not faster run

[lone crescent]

Fists make you faster tho

[frosty juniper]

Well punch slows u 5% and torch only 3%

[brave karma]

tough for everyone

[lone crescent]

Punches will not slow you down, they will make you faster actually

[tranquil dagger]

Agreed, but the other classes have better ranged options to help handle it.

[lone crescent]

This has been tested before

[brave karma]

o okay didnt know that

[frosty juniper]

Try it, when u punch you slow by 5%

[lone crescent]

Yeah but the character will do a small lunge forward and actually move faster, i don't know if it got patched, but in PT5 and before it was a thing

[brave karma]

it has the option to not fight at range is the thing tho

[tranquil dagger]

Does that make the matchup against warlock better?

[frosty juniper]

Nah i notice people gain range on me when i punch and miss @rich apex

[brave karma]

not really, hit a borssbow shot and hes full health before u can reload

[frosty juniper]

And paperdoll also says 5% less mid action

If i instead use torch i hit when fist would just miss, and slow em enough for 2nd hit

[tranquil dagger]

I don't really understand what you're saying. Barbarian is good against warlock because it can win the fight in melee?

[brave karma]

no, warlock is op thats all im saying

[tranquil dagger]

OH, 'it' referred to warlock. That makes more sense