suggestion-discussion

[hot hemlock]

Im good on copy pasting my responses in a convo you were part of, enjoy rereading tho

[glacial moon]

Ok? Brain can provide new brain cells, so don't worry too much.

[obtuse lichen]

I guess it doesn't aplies to you

[glacial moon]

Why do you have to be rude?

[obtuse lichen]

Because i can't stand idiotic people that dont even have a solid argument when they are making suggestions like this

[glacial moon]

I thought we where having an actually discussions and im trying to figure out why you guys think this idea is so bad. But you just keep saying rude things.

[obtuse lichen]

Because you are obviously trolling

[glacial moon]

Is it not a solid argument to try and come up with ideas to stop ppl from rushing though rooms just go get to a boss or the best loot in-game?

[glacial moon]

No im not.

[obtuse lichen]

You stop rushing them for what reason?
Just to make the game unplayable and let people suffer in a shit rooms?

[glacial moon]

Stop them from rushing to the best loot as soon as they spawn into a dungeon..
The game will not be unplayable because u need to hit a skill check to get though a door.

[obtuse lichen]

It already really hard to make profit by playing with a good gear unless you are rushing good rooms

[glacial moon]

It's not hard to make any profit in-game!

[obtuse lichen]

Im taking my 3 keys setup and i need at least like 10 successful games to get value from it and you want to make it 20 games or what?

[glacial moon]

So u cry that u need 10 succesful games to get 3 keys?

[obtuse lichen]

Im crying that i need to extract 10 times in a row to make my setup pay off already

[glacial moon]

Well what u expected? 1 extract and profit is made?

[obtuse lichen]

And you want to make me get stuck in a hr shit rooms with 0 loot but black skellies

[glacial moon]

Yep and if that's a problem then it's skill issue u cant get out of the room because u can't clear just a part of the room so u can open a door without agro.

[obtuse lichen]

Yeah basically by making door skillchecks you are nerfing classes with a slow interaction speed

[glacial moon]

Well mages can blast doors with fire balls, barbs can 1 shot doors. And u still cry

[obtuse lichen]

And buffing rangers and rogues once again because they can simply skip it

[fair gyro]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487670/blue-portals-should-give-off-a-medium-or-small-zone-of-antiinvisibility High roller portals having a zone of anti-invisibility?

[scarlet smelt]

anyone else think if they increase the vendor prices for selling them greens we might be able to trade a bit easier ?

[glacial moon]

They can't skip it they need to hit a skillcheck but again u lost all your brain cells so it make sense u not understand

[obtuse lichen]

How it will make a trading easier if the green item is shit nobody is going to pay for it still

[obtuse lichen]

Ranger skips skill check because of his high interaction speed
On slow classes you can get up to 2 skillchecks

[scarlet smelt]

people will just vendor it instead of trying to sell their shit on trader

[obtuse lichen]

Just dont pick up shit greens

[glacial moon]

So how about rogues? Do they not need to hit a skill check when they open a chest? They do! Why u think it would be otherways for doors? And i not hit that skill check each time i am human not a fk robot

[scarlet smelt]

i dont

[obtuse lichen]

Imo traders needs to reworked completely

[fair gyro]

why tf would opening a door be a skillcheck

[scarlet smelt]

THIS IS SO OTHERS VENDOR IT AND DONT TRY TO SELL US THEIR DOGWATER GREENS FOR 100g

[obtuse lichen]

You can use filters

[lone crescent]

Vote to rework Rage into giving physical power https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487642/rework-rage-to-give-flat-15-physical-power

[scarlet smelt]

not if your trying to sell it ?

[glacial moon]

It requires skills to open a locked door. Try it out yourself

[fair gyro]

I would rather see low value modifiers on greens be improved so they are worth more

@glacial moon I've done it before, but the doors in this game aren't even locked?

[obtuse lichen]

Why would you sell it

[hallow saffron]

But den... These doors arent locked were just struggling to open doors

[scarlet smelt]

i cant tell if your trolling.lmao to early

[glacial moon]

Who the fk struggles to open a door in-game?

[obtuse lichen]

If you are not selling it you can use filters to avoid dogwater items

[fair gyro]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487670/blue-portals-should-give-off-a-medium-or-small-zone-of-antiinvisibility check out this suggestion pls

[glacial moon]

What about it?

[hallow saffron]

Our characters in full gear putting weapons aside slightly to open a heavy old wooden door

[glacial moon]

Poor you. What can i say? It will take u a little longer yes maybe but not that much tbh it's more about clearing those mobs near a door. Then it would be no problem

[obtuse lichen]

😎

[fair gyro]

I think it would help High roller, as some of the biggest complaints about free highroller were just the massive amounts of rogues, if they make high roller more worth it, slightly disincentivising skipping all PvE and looting for a cheap and easy kill might make more people play it.

suggestion wouldn't make it impossible to portal camp, but make it more likely to see the rogue just before they hit you with ambush proc if you have decent portal opening speed

[bleak dagger]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/485667/remove-rogues-from-the-game

[hallow saffron]

Are you actually mentally challenged? Im saying the doors arent locked and giving a possible reasoning for the doors to have an opening time

[scarlet smelt]

i understand but im staying as a whole. if they were to increase the sale price of green items a bit more, IE you can sell green boots to the trader for 6g now but if u were able to sell it to the trader for a little more say 15g. people are already vendoring stuff for 30g some times so. it would just pull all the dogwater items to vendors and not trade and save PLAYERS as a whole to BE IN game more and not on that stupid traderpage

[glacial moon]

I think camping a escape portal is ok tbh with you.

[obtuse lichen]

I camp portals only when i see a ranger because i spit on the rangers

[pulsar lava]

High roller portals are a disaster and anyone who thinks otherwise didnt play highroller

[glacial moon]

It's a game man. But yeah doors could just open when u press open i totally agree with you there

[fair gyro]

I could tell by your class flair

it's just wierd most HR Gcave games when they were free, you'd see 2 rogues at minimum at the portals with like 3 pieces of gear in their inventory. I've seen 4 before and usually there was 3.

[pulsar lava]

You can lose a god set because of a naked rogue stealing a portal, and when there's 8 naked rogues every game its just not worth going high roller over normals

[glacial moon]

I haven't camped one single escape portal yet but i can't see the problem if someone wants to do it

[hallow saffron]

You make a post for skillchecks on doors then say shit like this. Youre 100% a troll.

[glacial moon]

Huh? Okay man someone is triggered. When i say a door could just open when u press the button to open the door u become mad and says troll?

[hallow saffron]

I dont think you understand what being triggered is.

You suggest something stupid, people respond with good reasonings as to why its a bad idea.

You basically tell them " haha skill issue" then act like youre not intentionally trying to instigate. Go back to school.

[glacial moon]

Who decides what suggest is stupid? You or?.. Who are the people with good respons? You or?. Is it a problem that you need to hit a skill check to open a door (IN A GAME) where curenntly the meta is skip everything, to kill player, a boss and then escape.

[hallow saffron]

Plenty of people responded to you with good sound arguments on why skill checks on doors is a bad idea. Youre idea is garbage. You want a mandatory skill check to open an unlocked door. Its a garbage idea

Right youre a troll forgot. Gonna stop feeding you now.

[glacial moon]

Well from the future everydoor is know written as "closed" now the idea is great.
Because the door says lock'd. That much for a logic.

[glacial moon]

No u are one of the trolls in the forum sayin it's a bad idea because the door is "open" and then u need interaction speed because it's a game but u not understand this u just come with troll arguments that the door is open and u don't need to hit a skill check because u think game is real life. If game was real life i can assure u not every door is OPEN in a real life scenario where u went into a cave with wooden doors which has locks on them but again i know u can't understand this because ur such a troll like the rest.

[ancient grove]

We should all collectively suggest or vote on a suggestion that says voip should be on by default. Feel like this game used to be so lively with voice now it’s one or two people in voice

[glacial moon]

Remove interaction speed on doors because that's what people wants - Open door because door is open. No need for interaction speeds.

[lean wagon]

lol then everyone would be able to chase you 100% of the time

[glacial moon]

Nah it's stupid if it's not to do like this. Let's Feed the trolls

[bleak dagger]

did you actually play the game or are you just trolling here?

[glacial moon]

Let's also get rid of monsters in rooms, because ppl skips them anyways. Dungeons should just has loot and a boss

[wooden seal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487511/after-match-damage-report

[glacial moon]

You are blocked so u not get a answer because ur a troll bye also u suggest to remove bard entirely. Who is troll now?

[hallow saffron]

Doors should have interaction speed. This is because if we look at these old, decrepit ruins we are entering and the stone brick doorways these old rotten doors are in. They arent gonna fit properly, these doors are going to be harder to open then a normal door and would require either more strength or some resourcefullness to open. Be that in knowing how to jam the bricks back into place or fit something around the door to open it.

A Cleric for example wouldnt be able to get their gauntlet covered hands through those door holds so would have to set side the mace/staff and take off the gauntlet to open the door. This plays into the low resourcefullness the cleric has stat wise.

Skill checks to QUICKLY open a door would be nifty but skill checks that are mandatory to open a door and reset your door opening if you fail should not be in the game at all. Stop being a troll and get a life den

[glacial moon]

LUL in real life some doors are so rotten so there ain't any door anymore. But again your a troll saying im a troll so we get no where and thus i only read the first few lines. Becasue u get what u feed others. Simple as that

[hallow saffron]

the GAME isnt real life, it is taking aspects from dungeons and dragons and other western medieval fantasy (which stems from real life) to make the game. im done replying to you now, and I seriously hope you leave your room atleast once today to empty your pissbottles

[glacial moon]

I don't i like them full then i hand them out to strangers for free saying it's juice before i be running away

[vernal hedge]

Comparing a fantasy game where we kill eatch other and mythical monsters to real life

[glacial moon]

Somewhere this is real life but to each their own because most minds can comprehend this

[dusky kernel]

Maybe in their life, doors take time to open and not everyone is good at it
¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glacial moon]

Truth well said

[hallow saffron]

such as the life of our average character in dark and darker.

[vernal hedge]

It’s always a fun argument to see thrown around specially in this setting, I couldnt care less if doors have or don’t an interaction.

Just fuck any skill check lmao

[glacial moon]

LUL hahah i understand and i get why ppl not like to hit a skill check im just saying i think it's needed to stop some classes from rushing too much.

[hallow saffron]

Personally I think the interaction speed is good as it prevents people from spam closing a door that opens towards them. imagine that in this setting, one player gets through the door, a rogues sitting on a lantern just spam closing it so that the rest of that guys team cant get through.

[merry kestrel]

in case it was missed, monk class

it's like a fast melee class that uses quarterstaves and bare knuckles

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487297/monk-class

[vernal hedge]

Bruh wtf, I was doing this shit yesterday to my teammates, doubled jumped on top of door and was just closing asap.

But yah some interaction is needed with doors, I’m just not sure it need to get to such a slow pace as it is with clerics.
Idk can’t say it’s bothered me too much to think about it

[merry kestrel]

Fighter perks and skills are in a bad place, they're uninteresting and unused - there's a reason you only see fighters rocking shield and sword and using second wind and sprint 24/7. However, they're just the strongest skills fighters have. I propose that some perks and many skills need revised in order for fighter to enjoy more versatility in their choices.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487150/fighter-perk-revision

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487153/fighter-skill-revision

[glacial moon]

What i find the most funny is people saying myth creatures not exsist yet they still believe dino's once walked the earth (im not saying they didn't) just tryin to compare it.

[hallow saffron]

pre interaction speed change. IT WAS HORRENDOUS they made it quite a lot faster from then. cleric main and hooooo BOI was pre buff opening doors and looting felt like a SLOG

[vernal hedge]

I get that need to stop the loot rushing(like hatchlings in tarkov) I just don’t think an inconvenience to everyone would be the way to fix it.

Maybe adding some doors which are special and require certain condition to be fulfilled, for example: kill all mobs in the rooms, light the 4 braziers could make more sense

[merry kestrel]

what kind of fallacy is this? We have actual proof of dinosaurs, we have actual bones, and we understand for the most part how physics isn't supposed to work

that is not the same as MUMMIES who drop green bandages

[glacial moon]

I think your right

[hallow saffron]

did the troll just say that dinosaurs dont exist? LMFAO

[glacial moon]

LUL I was just tryin to say that maybe we don't know it all and there actually are unicorns somewhere

[merry kestrel]

unicorns are just rhinos, kirins are just giraffes

[glacial moon]

What ever, goblins then, elfs and such.

[vernal hedge]

No I think his approach is more like it more of a context thing, just like if you told someone from 300 years ago that we can fly and go to the moon he’s probably call you a witch

[glacial moon]

This

[vernal hedge]

If we don’t comprehend something we are quick to make it mythical, because has humans we always need to have an explanation or meaning taken away from everything

[hallow saffron]

I mean shit, it IS magic. Science really is just magic we have figured out. Technically to people of ye olde past we ARE witches and wizards. look at the technology we have its basically magic

[glacial moon]

Sometimes i wonder if dragons are actually real and not just fairy stories. On earth or not, if dinos are real why can't dragons be real (somewhere) maybe not on this planet.

[vernal hedge]

Yep basically, it’s a very cool train of thought and leads to some interesting discussions of what can be the thing we think impossible or mythical atm that we will figure out in next decades

[merry kestrel]

In 1962, in his book “Profiles of the Future: An Inquiry into the Limits of the Possible”, science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke formulated his famous Three Laws, of which the third law is the best-known and most widely cited: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”.

[glacial moon]

Interesting

[vernal hedge]

A solid theory to what dragons could be is that they were extremely old specimens of dinassaurs or offshoot species, pretty interesting theories

[merry kestrel]

the original dragons, like the german lindwurm, were likely komodos

they were often cited as being POISONOUS before they were cited as being fire breathing

[glacial moon]

4 sure

[viscid radish]

Are you annoyed of not being able to loot your Throwing Knives or Francisca Axes that have struck down your foe, much like a bowman can loot their arrows/bolts from a slain foe. Well, visit the suggestion board and upvote the suggestion. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487681/allow-throwing-knives-and-francisca-axes-to-be-looted-off-of-slain-corpses

[wooden seal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487511/after-match-damage-report

[glacial moon]

I mean there is a theory of some dragonish kind like lizard people on earth rn so who knows xD

[vernal hedge]

Komodo’s are basically dragons, I fucking love them and how their saliva has like 50 different things that can put you 7 feet under

[merry kestrel]

please stop calling conspiracies "theories", or even "hypothesis"

conspiracy ideas lack informational support, evidence, or testing. :V

[primal arch]

Question / idea - In terms of balancing wizard, why don't we change the addition of damage to magic missle from each separate 'ball' into the whole spell (all 10 balls). Meaning +10 true magic damage would add +1 damage to each ball ?? That way scaling wizard with stats would be a lot flatter without possibility to have OP MM ?

[vernal hedge]

Dinassaurs not dragons

[glacial moon]

🤣 🫡

[neat mantle]

That was painful to read, bud

[glacial moon]

Not sure. Raptors has feathers i heard. Could be cool if human once visit a planet full of dinassaurs tho

[elfin vigil]

You. In Dnd you don’t need to do an ability check to open a door , it’s so basic it only takes time it should be obvious but I see you do have temp room IQ thought you were trolling my bad lol

[vernal hedge]

Yah I’ve seen this too on how recent modeling of dinassaurs points to them having feathers which would lineup with the fact that we know birds are some of the closest relatives to them, like a fucking chicken is related to Dino’s more closely than a crocodile iirc

[merry kestrel]

ah, you must be a conspiracy conspirator who conspires with other conspiracists

[glacial moon]

Oh yeah.

[elfin vigil]

To answer your point I know dnd I’m a GM myself and host 2 groups

Not once have they done ability check to open normal wooden doors.

[glacial moon]

All cool. In the game i played the board game, the game master decided this as a rule

[vernal hedge]

Bet that game master had you fighting on ledges constantly

[elfin vigil]

Decided to do ability check for every unlocked wooden doors ? Lol

[elfin vigil]

Ok that’s weird af ngl , those are not needed if you try to counteract rushing around you need to improve other mechanics such as traps , monster slowing or immobilizing spells , in my game nobody rushes because if you did you might basically kill your character or your whole group

[glacial moon]

Can't remember why i think it was if were fleeing from a monster and had to get though a door asap

[merry kestrel]

did he use critical fumbles too?

[glacial moon]

Yeah rushhing is not a thing in dnd at least what i know - I just don't like the current meta where all rush in dark and darker.

[vernal hedge]

Btw, what’s happening on 21.07.23

[elfin vigil]

Opening a door is an action in combat but not an ability check those are different things.

[glacial moon]

I had to roll the dice

[elfin vigil]

Dark and darker Early access of course !

[blazing gyro]

I will just go ahead and spew all of my feedback rn.

1 and most important. Give us back the old elf female skin wtf is this new one, at least give us the option to choose the old one.

2. Dumpster bard songs into the ground and then burn it, then burn it again. The tooltips/durations on these buffs were not accounted for how impactful they are on the game. The difference between a bard and non-bard groups EHP/attack speed/movement speed/free bandaids/free aoe rogue lockpicking/extremely effective debuffs.. I mean cmon.. Somebody needs to pass that so I can smoke too.

3. The gear disparity in this game is still too large, but it probably is more complicated with mitigation/etc than I would make it sound like. In short, gear power creep is still too high.

4. This is going to be an unpopular take, but I actually think for the health of the game.. Like these noobs need help man... Like give all the noobs 1 hp pot to start or something... the amount of players and full groups that die to pve in the first 2 minutes is ASTOUNDING. Like Idk.. I'm fine with the hardcore element, but some of these players REALLY need the extra noob starter kit is all.

5. 1-2 shots need to be looked at. I am fine with very fast TTK, but when you consider where bards are at in the meta.. I don't think 1 shots are really the play here... Something has to be done about the damage sourcing from buffs imo. Not sure how much it needs to be adjusted, but it definitely does.

[elfin vigil]

Well this shouldn’t be the case at least in normal dnd this is probably a home brew rule , rolling the dice suggest you can fail but an above average human adventurer would never fail to open an unlocked wooden door , it would just take home time (1action)

[glacial moon]

Well it was a home brew rule 4 sure. Anyway, i just don't like the current meta where ppl skip/rush too much of the start of the dungeon if this makes any sense to you and thus i tried to come up with a solution for this by making a suggestion. It was bad apparently and thats all cool.

[merry kestrel]

i think spawn rushers is a problem

AND I THINK PEOPLE DRAGGING MOBS THROUGH THE DUNGEON IS A PROBLEM.

[elfin vigil]

I can understand that but skill check to open doors would feel very frustrating , instead , make resourcefulness not scale on door opening duration , place magic doors that only open when mobs are all dead in a room , trap that trigger in front of certain doors you can change the pace and still let the fun

[wooden seal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487511/after-match-damage-report

[glacial moon]

Me 2 glad to see im not the only guy

[vernal hedge]

This makes sense but he’s back to what I say, a mechanic shouldn’t be cumbersome for the sake of cumbersome, make the best rooms be locked behind more traps, maybe a puzzle, or miniboss/guardian that needs killing before the room unlocks.

All doors requiring a check would be aids

[glacial moon]

Magic doors which unlock when mobs in a room are all dead - sound cool ngl

[elfin vigil]

Make it a suggestion maybe it’ll draw attention 😉

[glacial moon]

For sure i will try come up with something

[glacial moon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487704/magical-doors-n-puzzles

I mean im not claiming to be the best writer in english but this is what i could do.

[glacial moon]

I get you and i think this would work too. Not sure but i think most actually agrees that rn too many spawn rushing atm without any penalty what so ever.

[rich sphinx]

I SUGGEST THAT we can check teamate's
equipment when we're in the lobby

[bleak dagger]

thats an outstanding suggestion.

[bleak dagger]

I did that for you.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[rich sphinx]

WOW THX

[vivid warren]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/481886/stash-sort-up-button-qol🇺 Ⓜ️ 🇦 🇰 🇪 🇮 🇹 🇪 🇦 🇸 🇾

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/485873/add-game-replay-for-cheat-expose 🇫 🇴 🇷 🔨 🇨 🇭 🇪 🇦 🇹 🇪 🇷 🇸
**It's for you not for me **

[merry kestrel]

Fighter perks and skills are in a bad place, they're uninteresting and unused - there's a reason you only see fighters rocking shield and sword and using second wind and sprint 24/7. However, they're just the strongest skills fighters have. I propose that some perks and many skills need revised in order for fighter to enjoy more versatility in their choices.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487150/fighter-perk-revision

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487153/fighter-skill-revision

[stuck quail]

I never use second wind and I always use combo attack.

[merry kestrel]

That's great!

That doesnt change that Second Wind is strong and Combo Attack isn't

[bleak dagger]

I think you mean adrenaline rush; combo attack is a perk.

[rich sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487742/maybe-ruins-can-change-into-a-mode-whitch-players-can-choose-what-kind-of-ruins
GUYS WOULD U AGREE WITH THIS?

[lone crescent]

Rage +15% Physical power instead of +15 strength
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487642/rework-rage-to-give-flat-15-physical-power

[lone crescent]

Threesome?

[rich sphinx]

THREE PLAYER IN ONE TEAM

[lone crescent]

[hallow saffron]

damn I want me some threesome ruins ;3

[rich sphinx]

FK XD I dont know how to say it in short word

[hallow saffron]

three man. you were probably looking for "duo ruins or trio ruins"

[rich sphinx]

YAP　 I'll recorrect it

[stuck quail]

I use both. My load out for fighter includes combo attack, adrenaline rush and sprint.

[bleak dagger]

yeah it's the slayer build. However you said you use combo attack instead of second wind, which is nonsense.

[hallow saffron]

yeah combo attack is a perk not a skill chicken 😛

[stuck quail]

No I wasn't. I was responding to the guy saying combo attack was weak and that second wind was op.

[bleak dagger]

combo attack is weak.

[stuck quail]

Obviously....I never said it wasn't lol.

[bleak dagger]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[hallow saffron]

the way you worded your comment then is strange "I never use second wind and I always use combo attack"

the way you worded this comment makes it seem like youre saying "I never use this perk. I always use this perk"

[stuck quail]

I never said it wasn't weak. I was just stating that I used it and liked it.

[late nebula]

can we get a trading app for mobile?

[stuck quail]

No it wasn't. I was replying to his suggestion.

[bleak dagger]

I am with Piticus, your wording was odd in that case.

[stuck quail]

I was replying to the specific suggestion that @merry kestrel posted. If you read his suggestion, you will find that my wording makes sense.

[hallow saffron]

even in response to that, the way you formed the sentence is confusing.
"I never use the second wind skill. For perks I always use combo attack"
Would have cleared it up. just needed clarification due to how its worded thats all. not trying argue just sentence was confusing

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[wooden seal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487511/after-match-damage-report

[stable moon]

Can we get updates during non peak hours of the day

[stuck quail]

Why would I need to specify that second wind is a skill and that combo attack is a perk? If you play the game you would know what they are already.

[hallow saffron]

because someone who doesnt play fighter might be confused on your comment in that specific formulation of the sentence. its kinda like when people say "I never use hide, I always use thrust"

if you dont play rogue and without looking it up, which of those two is the skill, which is the perk.

[stuck quail]

Yes, but I was replying to a suggestion, I wasn't talking to someone who plays rouge.

[hallow saffron]

idk anyone who plays 🟥 but anyone who didnt look at that suggestion and wanted to discuss your comment would be confused THATS ALL IM SAYIN.

[stuck quail]

Why would they want to discuss it if they don't play fighter?

[brisk pebble]

petition for fist shaking emote

[hallow saffron]

🤦‍♂️

[languid ingot]

please make the change on trade market where if you're the first to trade it stays on top, so tired of being fast for nothing and then the others after get accepted @dawn grotto

[late star]

When you guys plan on fixing all the cheesing you can do when killing mini bosses? Wraith u just sit down. In Hell you can kill almost every miniboss while standing on a shrine or any "high ground" this makes the game soooo anticlimatic that is a shame. I hope you guys can fix this so in the future we can see some really cool Dungeons for 5man or even 10man where the PvE feels truly amazing.

[languid ingot]

Its not that kind of game tho, its not monster hunter world, the jank is what makes it great

[lone crescent]

I'm pretty sure cheese is an intended mechanic

[late star]

you are wrong, they already stated that they are planning a 10man "raid" to and the main boss is a frost dragon. this game will be both PvE and PvP.

[late star]

Any official statement regarding this?

[lone crescent]

Yes, the fact that cheese is still possible after more then a year

[late star]

Not good enough reason to believe this is what their final product is going to be like. Maybe they just focusing on having more content for people to test out

[languid ingot]

the game is slow and clunky, its the style of it, there's not gonna be super hard bosses that u can't cheese, its simple as that really

[merry kestrel]

Cheese is not intended. The game is in early access and they only have one programmer lmao

[lone crescent]

Cave troll for example got the running sweep that could be dodged by jumping, one playtest after they added an almost identical attack that needed to be crouched under, that's clearly a boss where cheesing is not intended

[late star]

i was referring to Wraith, Heavy armor skeleton, the "minotaur" in Hell and the centipede

[lone crescent]

Mobs are supposed to be punishing but still easy if you know what you are doing (or have enough time and space to cheese), remember that everytime you engage any mob you risk a third party with another team

[late star]

yeah but the easy comes from breaking the matrix instead of just knowing the pattern of the attacks. is like you stop playing just because the game is broken at its core and feels wrong.

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[lone crescent]

Cheese is a waste of time, fighting the miniboss the intended way is faster

[late star]

also there are some places where only Rangers can jump (if u dont want to remove all your equipment) One is where there is this shorcut that you need to destroy a wooden barricade (where the Mage Goblin and a mini library is) Before breaking the wooden barricade there is a TRAP on the floor, if you look up there is a tiny ledge where Rangers and Fast Classes can get into but Barb/Figther/CLeric Cant and is impossible to fight them there lol.

[lone crescent]

You need to determine if you have enough time to use the easy way or if you need to be faster and risk

[late star]

i dont want to determine nothing. i want the thrill of knowing damn a freaking Heavy metal Skeleton is chasing me and is SHOW TIME. instead of just jumping from a table to a wooden case and kill it from a safe spot.

[lone crescent]

I can get up there without removing any armor as a Barbarian

[merry kestrel]

Remember you move faster with weapons stowed

[late star]

probably without armor, a full geared Figher cant.

[lone crescent]

Just press x and crouch jump honestly

Yes cause there's an intermediate ledge to jump on, you don't need to make the long jump directly

[late star]

I just want to know if the game is working as intended or they are planning on changing those "mechanics"

[hallow saffron]

? Draughr is like the least scary of the minibosses because you can just jump his swings and stay within a certain range so he never shield bashes

[lone crescent]

I'm convinced it's intended, if they don't want you to cheese the Champion they could just give him any vertical slash and that's it

Wraith is the same, he could be flying higher, instead he's stuck on the floor

[hallow saffron]

w/e they did to the wraith AI is what made this new cheese even work lmfao. resting after attacking it once so it never loses aggro is one of the weirdest bugs

[lone crescent]

Every miniboss without a vertical slash is meant to be cheesable imho

[hallow saffron]

even the zerker demon is cheesable and he has a vert.

[merry kestrel]

Pants on head take. There are supposed to be patterns, but standing on a box isnt intended.

[lone crescent]

Kinda, it's an oblique slash, they could give him a straight vertical slash

[merry kestrel]

Learning a monster's pattern isnt cheese - making it so you can engage a boss without risk is cheese.

[lone crescent]

If they don't want players to cheese mobs they could give straight vertical slashes to every miniboss or they could give them the ability to adjust the height of their slash

[late star]

This, sorry got a phone call so couldnt reply. I dont care being able to kill a boss without taking damage thats what would differentiate a good player from a bad player.
Being able of holding aggro from wraith and just sit down while the rest of my team kills it feels wrong.
Same with the skelly.

[lone crescent]

The fact that after all this time they didn't bother doing it and instead they added even more cheesable minibosses is enough to make me think it's intended

[hallow saffron]

being able to get up onto walls is intended. they wouldnt have mobs in rooms where you can get on stuff otherwise. thats one of the reasons why they made mobs able to break boxes and made it so that flying skulls can now break doors

[merry kestrel]

Sure, let's just take the art team off mesh corrections and reanimate new attacks, and have the programmer implement them instead of working on new features. During early access. Smh.

[lone crescent]

Tell me why the Cockatrice is cheesable then, it's a new miniboss

[late star]

Cockatrice you run to a rock and is unable to attack you lol?

[dusky kernel]

Imagine making an argument that “because you can therefor it’s intended” 🤔
Without the devs saying cheese is intended you can’t claim it to be so definitively

[lone crescent]

It's a known "issue" from the first playtest and still none of the devs bothered

[dusky kernel]

What I would say tho is cheese is definitely being allowed (at least for now) by virtue of the devs not changing it

[lone crescent]

If i'm interpreting devs vision correctly all the PvE is meant to be punishing but is meant to become trivial for skilled players

[dusky kernel]

You mean jumping on a rock isn’t high skill? 🤣

[lone crescent]

Now taking the champion as an example, slower classes have no chance of killing him with low tier gear if they don't use the environment

[lusty narwhal]

idea for HR:

maybe there is an item that you need to find/buy that is consumed on dropping into a HR lobby, something similar to like a hall pass

so there's a "fee" if you want to just be lazy and buy it off merchant, or you can find it in normal/hr lobbies off mobs

main issue would be stash space with an item that players would have to stockpile so they could run HR, i guess you can make them 1 slot items and make them stack on each other up to 10+ or something

[hallow saffron]

honestly if there was a specific MAP that needed a special item thatd be dope kinda like labs

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[abstract swallow]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487582/make-luck-potions-cost-event-candy
Reposting this for the other timezone.
TL;DR: Luck potions are too good, but instead of nerfing them, make them purchasable only with Event Candy.

[stuck perch]

Honestly I'd rather see the whole luck mechanic removed. Although I could see the luck potion have an extremely short duration, enough to loot few chests. This would mean that you'd want to save it for those good chests which would mean you could find them on players who haven't used theirs yet. But using candy isn't a bad idea.

[tacit trail]

Hot take but I think the game currently is way too gear gap rather than having some sort of skills don't get me wrong there is skill involved but the ratio right now is like 70/30, they need to lower the gear gap(ex: make all the item stats max +1) or make good/insane gear easier to get or the game will die cuz of people running good gear on normals the high roller currently is mainly leaderboard grinder with god sets or people going in with minimal gear or the occasional team that run good gear on normals those guys will not go back to high roller after they dead to the leaderboard grinders with their good gear.

[potent stream]

There is trade chat. How would you make it even easier to get that gear ? You can already buy it....

[stuck perch]

How about reducing the number of tiers of gear (colors), stopping at blue for the moment and waiting for another map to get the rest. Let people play within a reasonable range of gear, then when we get a new 3 map stack we can orient that towards higher geared people with some sort of heavy fee to discourage going back to the smaller playground?

Here's my thoughts for more details. Don't forget to read the added comments.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/484028/fixing-over-geared-people-in-lower-lobbies-motivating-better-geared-people-to-mo#comment544273

[brave notch]

Agree with the problem. But imo I’d like to see stats on how many people survive a match on average. Cuz with the battle royale system it’s really challenging to not get w keyed by a geared team. If the game was more like tarkov instances you could hide and escape teams

[tacit trail]

yeah but the good gear go for 500+ per item and its not common you usually get 250g per run on normals

[potent stream]

Then don't go for that top gear. You can easily beat purple geared guy with blues and greens

[merry kestrel]

in case it was missed, monk class

it's like a fast melee class that uses quarterstaves and bare knuckles

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487297/monk-class

[tacit trail]

not when HR is not filled and all you run into is leaderbard grinders

[strange forge]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/485588/cloaks-should-be-in-utility-trade

[abstract swallow]

finally, someone speaking sense

[gentle rapids]

There’s a huge chance it could happen but a class that can do a lot of damage without gear might be too strong (also would be In like two years lol)

[merry kestrel]

It does still require gear, the unarmed damage scales off gloves

[tacit trail]

they could make insurance system and save pocket but thats a lot of work for them they will probably prioritize making new content

[stuck perch]

You could just give him "fist weapons" like they do in FFXIV

[merry kestrel]

Read the actual info in the link and not just the title smh, i built the whole class

[gentle rapids]

They’d still do more dmg with no gear, and do you want to start with hands? (I guess junk quarterstaff but gaddam that’s good)

[merry kestrel]

Read
The
Post

They dont do more damage with no gear

[stiff token]

Add a fcking lever inside cave troll so the first person that enters can lock himself in. No point playing when there is 3000 idiots camping the door who cant even kill cave troll or they just grief

[gentle rapids]

Bro that’s your version, there’s no way the devs haven’t thought of a monk class it’s just not going to happen for a very long time

[hallow saffron]

this is why as a cleric I protect the sanctity of cave troll fights mhm mhm.

[merry kestrel]

I think they should use my version and it should be upvoted

[gentle rapids]

Based 👍

[zealous thorn]

I hate playing the bard for the simple fact that the instruments are in the 3/4 slots

[brave notch]

Yea it’s a shame. Most players have seem to agree that being mid-low tier loot is pointless in the crypts bc you’re likely to get rolled by a greased team. And it’s more efficient to farm goblin caves for gold and buy a set. It’s not how the game was intended and really unfun. Idk what the fix is but I hope it changes

[merry kestrel]

Fighter perks and skills are in a bad place, they're uninteresting and unused - there's a reason you only see fighters rocking shield and sword and using second wind and sprint 24/7. However, they're just the strongest skills fighters have. I propose that some perks and many skills need revised in order for fighter to enjoy more versatility in their choices.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487150/fighter-perk-revision

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487153/fighter-skill-revision

[tacit trail]

Easiest fix they need to lower the gear gap(ex: make all the item stats max +1) or make good/insane gear easier to get/more common

[brave notch]

Definitely feel making gear easier to get. If you don’t kill the boss or have a class to open lock chests (lol what is a lock pick) you don’t get good gear

[stiff token]

The fix is nerfing bard being able to refresh all your spells so buffball comps are out the window

[stuck perch]

Why not reach a compromise where bard songs are powerful but come with disadvantages the bard has to work around?

[stiff token]

like what?

[stuck perch]

Are allegro and accelerando good examples of abilities that are too strong? I've got examples for those but if you think different songs are the issue then I'll come up with another example.

[stiff token]

So according to you allegro and accelerando is more OP than having a cleric with infinite heals or wizard with infinite spells?

[stuck perch]

No, I'm trying to get a benchmark ability that is considered too strong before suggesting compromises that won't solve the issue.

[brave notch]

To start kinda Crazy that songs aren’t effected by spell memory

[stuck perch]

Yeah bard songs are spammable but they're also long to cast, don't allow you to pre-cast your spell and release it on your timing, require you to succeed at a quick time event failing which will degrade your song, require you to have a specific musical instrument in hand for each song.

[stiff token]

Songs should have a limit not being able to spam refresh spells without your team resting or using a campfire. Have you seen wizard/barb/bard?

[stiff token]

Bro wtf are you smoking i play bard. You can dish out 5 songs in a matter of seconds with animation canceling the last notes you play

[stuck perch]

Chorus of clarity has been nerfed to the point where I can't even ask my team's bard to carry it.

[stiff token]

When the fk was it nerfed? And tell me why people are playing bard/wiz/barb then

[brave notch]

Don’t know why they can’t fit it in they got 10 slots

[stuck perch]

Alright then, remove note canceling. Adjust the bard song cast time to what they should be instead of expecting every bard to use a specific perk to cheap out on the intended song cast time.

[stiff token]

"Expecting"???? That perk is literally the best, if you play dogshit perks thats on you

You play rousing rythms into allegro and you can dish out a din in a matter of seconds with canceling last 2 notes then just pressing F on the last note when you complete it and you can play the next song without having a delay in the end

[wooden seal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487511/after-match-damage-report

[stiff token]

Bard needs a limit on that song and its fine.

[dusky kernel]

If there’s a perk or skill that is mandatory for a class to be effective, the list of perks and skills should be rebalanced or the perk/ skill in question should probably just be made base kit

[stuck perch]

It was nerfed from 8 points per second, to 2 points per second in hotfix 3, now it's 2 points per 3 seconds. It requires something like 3 casts of the full duration song to get my smallest spell back. Bards have just been telling me to stop asking and sit down or take meditate.

[stiff token]

Ok so every rank 50 player that is running with bard is using the song for fun i guess

[stuck perch]

People are playing Bard/wiz/barb because wiz+barb was the previous meta that terrorized lobbies, now it's the same plus the bard buffs. Mostly stacking accelerando and allegro on top of haste.

[stiff token]

Yeah and wizard has unlimited haste and invis thanks to bard. It is either nerfing bards spell recovery or making wizard haste + invis only affect themselves

[harsh plume]

It is very hard to get geared now that the game is out and its not only a 3 day thing. With full geared players playing in starter gear lobbies its hard to get started. I believe there needs to be some sort of gear calculator and the lobbies are based on how geared you are.

[stuck perch]

Bard's don't see the effect of their chorus of clarity. and if they're running 10 spells, it's hard not fiting a few less than useful spells in.
It makes sitting down faster I guess.

[stiff token]

You only spam allegro accelerando rousing is 120 sec and when you engage you run into enemy team trying to get the shriek of weakness off that literally takes 0.25 sec to play. Armor + mr buff is 120 sec so idk what ur talking about tbh

[stuck perch]

That wouldn't be a good fit for this game. People would be able to cheese the system to get guarenteed access to low gear lobbies and still wipe then on top of it hurting other aspects of the game. You can't have any sort of gear based or level based match making in an extraction looter game.

[dusky kernel]

I’d prefer if the difference between tiers of gear was minimal
I’d rather gear be same-ish between 1 or 2 tiers, depending on rolls.
Sure best in slot gear would still roll greys but if you had whites or greens you’d be pretty equalish with blues and purples

[stuck perch]

What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about chorus of clarity here.

When you cast chorus of clarity, you don't see how little an effect it has on your team mate's spell regen.

[hallow saffron]

yeah honestly I dont see why people think CoC is the reason bard is strong... it still takes time and cant be used mid combat unless youre playing bard poorly lmfao

[stuck perch]

But anyways, for Allegro and Accelerando, I'd like them to only apply 1 stack every 8 seconds, with refreshing the song while it's still active resetting the timer (and not the spell). This means you'd have to reapply the song once every 8 seconds to keep it going and getting those stacks. Getting to 3 stacks would take 24s and that amount of time would justify them providing powerful bonuses as opposed to nerfing them until they're not that much effective. This also comes with the vulnerability of getting your buffs dispelled by your enemy requiring that much time in combat to get it back up. It also offers counter play in the form that silencing the bard can force him to miss that refresh window.

[rocky oak]

just ignore the PERMANENT movespeed atksped armor magicarmor etc buffs LMAO

[stuck perch]

In this way bard songs remain powerful, but take a long time to get up to their full power and require timely maintenance. In order to help with maintenance, I'd want the duration of bard spells to key off of his buff duration as opposed to just that of his targets, although a combination of both or the average of both would also be tolerable.

[stuck perch]

Which take time and quick time events to cast, can be dispelled in combat.

[rocky oak]

dispelled by what

[stuck perch]

Right now, the only dispel mechanic we have is the cleric's cleanse spell (which contrary to the tool tip removes all buffs and debuffs, we've tested it out). But we'll hopefully get more dispelling options as it provides counterplay to buffs/debuffs and also lets buffs be strong while giving an option to deal with them.

[abstract swallow]

by death
simply shoot the bard in the head once with your crossbow
(Accelerando/Allegro do need to go or be completely reworked from the ground up, as it is they trivialize PvE clearspeed and PvP engagement/positioning)

[sturdy charm]

Id bet money theyre going to overnerf bard because clueless people are crying about it on reddit. Then it will just go back to nobody playing it

[sturdy charm]

and then there's this guy who thinks allegro makes you clear mobs faster

[stuck perch]

With the above idea, I think they're fine. The bard would have to maintain them constantly or it'll take close to 30s to get them back at full power, this also plays into the bard's weakness of announcing the presence of the party to everyone in within several rooms. If you want to keep those buffs up you can't just throw them down right before combat.

[abstract swallow]

are you illiterate or is the barb icon just for show?

[abstract swallow]

It wouldn't be quite as bad if they had to play for the whole duration, but that's not fun to play. They're just super toxic and need to go.

[stuck perch]

He's talking about a bard in a party of 3 with a barbarian taking the buffs.

[sturdy charm]

You specifically mentioned allegro and accelerando, neither are the reason why bard makes clearing mobs easy

[stuck perch]

Of course, get rid of note skipping. And let it scale with the bard's buff duration so by itemizing for it he'll get larger windows in which to do other stuff while maintaining it.

[stuck perch]

What then is the reason the bard makes clearing mobs easy?

[sturdy charm]

Why would I say it in here? As of right now, everyone is blindly complaining about bard, and will end up getting the wrong thing nerfed. If I start enlightening all you clueless people, you might start complaining about the real problem.

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[proven geyser]

I'm not sure bard makes clearing mobs any faster than just having an another whatever party member is actively clearing mobs. Weakness, movement speed, & attack speed obviously allow you to more quickly kill things though, than if the bard was not playing those songs.

[stuck perch]

Then why take part in the conversation at all?

[sturdy charm]

So are you just not refuting the fact that you're one of the blind complainers? You're complaining, and you obviously don't knwo what's actually good or bad about the class.

[sturdy charm]

this guy too

[stuck perch]

He's probably either talking about the selfish buffs, or the chaotic discord song, neither of which are all that efficient especially when in a group.

[abstract swallow]

I didn't say easy, I said clearspeed. Mobility and action speed massively accelerate roomclear and trivialize PvP engagement at 0 resource cost and with minimal upkeep. Shriek of Weakness makes this even more trivial even after several well deserved nerfs, and makes them the single best class for clearing minibosses and inferno bossing with.
Allegro remains the single largest DPS boost in the game by an absolute mile, even after the nerf, and it's not okay.
Keep coping to try and stave off more Bard tuning for whatever comp is carrying you, I just hope that whenever the nerfs do come you return yourself to lobby.

[proven geyser]

I was saying I don't think bard makes clearing mobs significantly faster than any other 3rd party member would who is actively swinging. Movement speed & attack speed will make you swing faster and get up to mobs more quickly, and weakness will let you kill mobs in fewer swings? But I don't think that's like some wild difference between another DPS class being in the bards place with regard to clear time, a ranger could be dropping mobs while a bard would be there keeping buffs/debuffs up.

[hallow saffron]

they are not dispelled by death. bard buffs stay on allies even if bard dies lmfao

[sturdy charm]

You're just straight up wrong. Again, I'm not gonna tell you cry babies what it really is, but Allegro is absolutely not the reason Bard makes clear times so fast. but please, keep insisting that's the case, I dont even run Allegro LOL

[abstract swallow]

Bard is actually the fastest leveling class in the game, utilize Unchained Harmony to mass-open chests and coffins to loot and use Piercing Shrill to clear rooms like Pyramid.
You've also got very fast solo PvE in default kit with Rapier Mastery + Shriek.

[sturdy charm]

So many people that just take what others say as the truth. Go in game and test stuff vs the the Target Dummies and maybe you'll figure it out.

[stuck perch]

Did you take account of the noise you make while doing so, alarming nearby parties to your presence and possibly attracting those who want to hunt players down?

[sturdy charm]

Totally not cleric that can one shot a whole room (not just bats) or rogue that gets infinte chest xp /s

[proven geyser]

I think Vinny just blasting hostility regardless of wot people are saying, I'd say Bard is fine but it's also naive to say making people move and attack faster or weakening mobs has no impact on clear times lol.

[stuck perch]

I doubt Unchained harmony provides xp on it's own. Using it doesn't seem to use the luck stat until you actually peek in the chest. Although this is easily testable.

[abstract swallow]

You have to be the one to open the containers afterwards, but in rooms like the coffin halls in crypts you can rack up 24+ exp from containers alone.

[sturdy charm]

I didn't say allegro or weaken wasnt making it faster, i said it's not the reason why bard is so fast at clearing. Ill tell you now, Allegro is not worth running.

[stuck perch]

Neither is chaotic discord in a party if that's what you're harping about.

[proven geyser]

I never bring discord and Allegro is only for solo mining.

[sturdy charm]

No, chaotic discord is not worth running

[hallow saffron]

cleric room clear spell is on a 45 or 50 second CD and does 100 damage. takes eighteen years to open chests(which gives more exp then mobs unless its minibosses) and take longer to get room to room. Bards kit increases the speed of every aspect of xp earning, killing players, killing mobs, breaking pots, looting chests.

[stuck perch]

Hmm... I'd go with aria of alacrity for solo mining over allegro.

[sturdy charm]

In fact, the lute is worthless, especially if you think the clear time is whats good about bard

[wet stream]

I would suggest one global bank between all your toons. It's annoying getting good drops for my other toons on toons that can't use them.

[proven geyser]

Wot about both

[earnest widget]

Just go all bard and spam the no attack song and then use voip to convince everyone to be friends

[stuck perch]

too much down time required to keep it up. Also when mining I want to be left alone not attract pvp oriented players.

[stuck perch]

Killing players doesn't provide any experience.

[hallow saffron]

doesnt it?

[stuck perch]

Nope, at least according to the wiki (specifically stated) I remember seeing something about it in discord but couldn't find the citation.

[sturdy charm]

Wiki warrior still at it huh? Wonder which class youll die to and come complain about next.

[urban axle]

report astrongnicca, he's using 3rd party hacks

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[untold spoke]

opinion: rogues should be reworked to have less of a rat playstyle, something is wrong when mage feels more like a rogue should, no one wants to feel like they have to stealth check every corner just so some rat doesn't pop out and grief you at the worst moment, a lot of the time rogues don't even accomplish anything for themselves and just end up randomly griefing someone then dying

[stuck perch]

I'm fine with rogues getting a different playstyle improved or added but don't take away a playstyle just because you don't like it. I love ratting as a rogue.

[stuck perch]

I get that we don't want bard being overpowered but they were at a really fun point when they came out. Sure some balancing changes were needed, but because they went with nothing but hard nerfs instead of compromising I don't want to play the class I thought I was going to main since the begining of the EA.

[sturdy charm]

Bard was op af when it came out what are you on about LOL of course it was "really fun" winning every fight

[stuck perch]

Go jump in a lake

[sturdy charm]

Nice one, reported. Good to see people are capable of civil conversation

[stuck perch]

You're not contributing to civil discussion nor have you been.

[vernal hedge]

https://tenor.com/xDtx.gif

[spiral spindle]

Guys, being op was so fun, now that its just good I dont wanna play bard anymore 👶🏽

[abstract swallow]

He's just stirring up shit like I do, you gotta learn to pick your battles man

[muted nova]

to fix the economy I think we should be able to dump gold into something......

[wooden seal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487511/after-match-damage-report

[sturdy charm]

What he really needs to do is find something productive to do, rather than sitting in here replying to every message when literally nobody asked

[stuck perch]

Yeah I'm not paying attention him.

[sturdy charm]

Except for blatantly toxic replies. Get a grip kid, you're mad because I'm willing to refute all the nonsense you spout, and you can't handle it. Maybe if you had any kind of argument with substance, you'd be able to back it up.

[mild nimbus]

Would like an exp counter

[real trellis]

Reported for THAT? Lmfao why? Can't you swim? Do you think that's a death threat?

[stuck perch]

He's just trying to rile me up because he wants the attention.

[real trellis]

Perhaps he's just trying to dodge a bath

He's right though bard was absurd at EA launch and is still very good

The movespeed and attack speed buffs alone are cray

[merry kestrel]

Fighter perks and skills are in a bad place, they're uninteresting and unused - there's a reason you only see fighters rocking shield and sword and using second wind and sprint 24/7. However, they're just the strongest skills fighters have. I propose that some perks and many skills need revised in order for fighter to enjoy more versatility in their choices.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487150/fighter-perk-revision

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487153/fighter-skill-revision

[real trellis]

The fact that you can just shut down other spellcasters, slow enemy movement, lower their defense and offense, and hit people through walls... lmao.

[stuck perch]

Right but there's different ways of balancing a class. Some nerfs were waranted, but you could also bring in a compromise as opposed to just reducing the power blatantly. When Ironmace said "slightly" on one of their bard nerfs they meant by 75%, as in going from 8/s to 2/s, which then got reduced again to 2/3s. They could have made the song longer to play, either by removing the note skipping or lengthening the song for example.

[real trellis]

Which one was this

[stuck perch]

Chorus of Clarity

I'm not saying it wasn't strong. But right now I've been told by the bards that I play with that they don't bother with it. Does it mean we need to bring it back to what it was, no. But some other means of balancing it rather than just nerfing it to obscurity would be appreciated.

[real trellis]

HAHAHAHA

Yeah you little walking clarity potion that nerf was heavily deserved

Imo bard needs to lose an instrument and have those songs condensed into the rest of the instruments

Like mash some of those effects together but lower the effectiveness slightly to make up for the easier upkeep, like why have 2 separate action speed buffs just have it apply the long one and the short one at the same time

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[stuck perch]

I'm not saying it should stay to what it was, but it didn't have to become an after thought on the list of bard songs.
I like having many instruments and not always taking all 4 of them with me. Often times I didn't take a lute for example.

[hearty vessel]

The Trading is trash, It takes years to gear a player

[real trellis]

When I play bard I don't enjoy having to play the entire catalogue of Bach's life work every 120 seconds just to stay viable

[stuck perch]

Because the shorter one only applies to yourself, not your allies. It's meant to be used if you want to be fighting over spamming songs.

[granite plinth]

wdym? the problem is people that make it hard, not the market, maybe they could make it so we can put sell/buy offrs, but just saying this should work fine but people are a bit ....

[real trellis]

Still not seeing why it couldn't do both

[boreal axle]

we really need a way to control how many healing stuff people bring into their games.. i see so many people with 6+ healing potions and other healing options that is just ridiculous

[real trellis]

BRUH POTIONS HEAL FOR 15 AND TAKE 30S NOW WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[boreal axle]

well is stupid having to kill people like 3-4 times if u even can do it..

[real trellis]

Uhh yes I would like cleric to be more meta thank you sir like COME ON

[real trellis]

If you are having to deal 3-4 times someone's health over a battle in order to kill them I suggest you push them instead of letting them run away for literally 5 minutes

[stuck perch]

Because having a buff that applies to your team that gives that much attack speed and lasts 2 minutes would be considered OP and required in every comp. The team buff on the other hand requires constant reapplying every 8 or so seconds.

[real trellis]

The new potions heal for so little and so slowly I can't think of any case where it would actually save someone's life in a fight

[stuck perch]

They're for after battle more so than during battle.

[real trellis]

No I mean have one part only apply to you and have the other one need reapplying as normal just to save on song space

[real trellis]

I know which is why I can't figure out why this dude thinks that healing items need to be more limited

[stuck perch]

Because people don't want to be fighting topped up teams all the time.

[subtle blade]

Suggestion, make it so warlocks only benefit from 12% of magical healing on dots :), 1 tick shouldn't full heal.

[granite plinth]

XXDDXDXDD warlock are the worst class in the game

[real trellis]

I'll say it again then: "I would like cleric to be even more meta please sir"

Healing pots heal for 15. Fifteen. Five plus ten. Over 40-35-30-25-20 seconds by rarity

[stuck perch]

I'm not disagreeing but entire team roles (which I hope we'll get more than just clerics for the role) being substituted by cheap consumables also rubs me the wrong way.

I have to go, but I'd love to continue this later.

[real trellis]

Healing potions heal. So slowly. In such small amounts. Perhaps you would prefer if the only method of healing without a cleric was sitting down?

[stuck perch]

And I don't disagree with you. Bye

[real trellis]

A hp pot or bandage or surg kit can't save you from getting twoshot by a barb but a cleric heal can

[granite plinth]

lmao what you have no idea what ur talking about, can pots heal you for 50 in middle of a fight?

[real trellis]

This isn't overwatch there is no hard-coded dps healer tank role

If you want to you can slot only damaging spells on cleric or go slayer fighter for more damage but no plate pdr

Is this optimal? No, but it's something you can do

[granite plinth]

nAHHHH WHAT IS this DMG, barbarian took 60hp from me fully geared, with 1 THROWING AXE

[boreal axle]

maybe is not such a big deal in teams but when going solo is super anoying.. on top of people chessing content taking the hits and just chug a potion afterwards

it takes 0 skill to bring potions and chug them all day isntead of doing stuff the rigth way

[hidden thicket]

Duo Ruins High Roller is gonna be great!

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[warm sedge]

I'm really hoping they will add more 3's maps because losing ruins to duos sucks. Love playing duos on it but just feels like crypts is filled with sweaty folks with stacked gear.

[prisma dock]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[real trellis]

If this is the post about the butt slider again I'm going to block you

[prisma dock]

I haven’t posted the buttslider what is that lmao

[real trellis]

oh right that's uh someone else

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[tough zodiac]

Did anyone suggest a hotwheel for consumables like we have for spells? It's very annoying to have to grab a torch in my hand when i just want to select the heal / trap. That leads to revealing my location in the dark.

[soft acorn]

I Suggest to make rogue's invisibility spell to work for 10 minutes so they can camp even more.

[analog barn]

gear diff is so bad rn i literally have gotten into 5 lobbies full of blue and purple as my level 3 rogue. crying to the bank

[obsidian thistle]

Opening coffins should have a chance on spawning a vampire.

[plucky heath]

Suggestion : Crafted items like Rubysilver and Cobalt should show a "created by : ___"

[ocean bear]

I feel like Torture mastery should be base kit on Warlock and make the perk just give you +1 (or 2) magic healing

lockpick should def be base kit on rouge as well, kinda ridiculous that you have to waste a perk slot to open certain chests

[torn saffron]

We need a bigger trade window or an item that can be traded for larger gold/currency quantity. Maybe gold bars or something so that people can stop being scammed for keys and late game/high roller gear.

[true oxide]

please make bard have some sort of penalty to play music and slow walk because this is becoming a joke how they can walk off buffing up madness clearly bard should never been put in this game..

[soft acorn]

2 hours of playing as warlock with some breaks, im nearly 14 lvl and Alchemist never offered me a spellbook to buy

[vernal lotus]

Isn’t everything technically crafted by the merchants and we just give them the materials? Not saying no to the idea I actually like it a lot it just got me thinking

[prisma dock]

If it bugs ya I can not ping ya with that just thought you’d get a laugh outa it lmao

[soft acorn]

by the way devs said that getting caught on cheating for the first time ends with warning ? 2nd time is perma ban? so its worth cheating if they can't ban cheaters for so long. Maybe its an idea to make hacks vs hacks lobby

[real trellis]

I was mostly joking

[real trellis]

No. They said getting caught playing with cheaters intentionally would get you a warning then a ban. Cheaters are banned immediately or perhaps in ban waves but they don't get a warning.

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[fierce lichen]

Remove utility auto switch / make it an optional setting:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487919/remove-auto-utility-switch

[tulip sundial]

what do you mean? thats how the game is supposed to work. Your'e supposed to get roflstomped by buffballers, thats the gameplay.

[soft acorn]

Buff barbarians please, reduce cost of francesca axe and increase dmg dealt by it.

[analog barn]

read comments before mine bud its a common shtick stopping newer players. not the only one whos said it. theres an upvote for training maps, gear rarity cap maps, etc everwhere.... also mine was more of a joke saying crying to the bank haha

[solemn sable]

Dedicated Push Button?

[white lodge]

It takes a lot of time to implement such things, so you got to be patient

[analog barn]

of course i totally agree, still love the game all the same 🙂

[tulip sundial]

no no no, you've got this all wrong. Youre supposed to rat till level 20, run from every fight you come across, and maybe, just maybe, you can get a lucky kill on a 1 hp fighter while hes frantically trying to open a blue portal. Then you can sell all his purp gear and get huuuuuuuge come up. This is all a very calculated and 50000 IQ design choice by the devs. If you have a problem with it its just a skill issue and you should get gud

[analog barn]

i almost got whooshed lol

[prisma dock]

I killed a full blue fighter in gray gear today and his 2 green teammates lol I did have a team tho (in crypts)

[analog barn]

cap your honor

[tulip sundial]

glad you found the team with their monitors off

[analog barn]

^ lol

[tulip sundial]

that ninja edit tho @prisma dock

[analog barn]

LMAOOOOOO caught

[prisma dock]

I mean ya can’t kill a 3 man without a 3 man lol we were all gray or green at best

[stuck perch]

They used to with pot stacking.

[prisma dock]

It’s crazy to me everyone whines about gear when you can kill geared fighters with reckless attack song of weaknesss or weakpoint attack as a team

[analog barn]

a level 1 fighter rogue and cleric as a team or any other 3 level 1s cannot go against full purple squads. if you think otherwise youre in denial

[prisma dock]

And even if you can’t extract in goblin caves and win like 2x you can flip things on the market for massive profit if your bad

[stuck perch]

Yeah but introspection is lost on a lot of people. Some of them insist that running at them swinging wildly is the limit of valid tactics they're willing to consider.

[prisma dock]

Our lowest level was 10 I was level 15 day one doing high roller tho just solo cave troll and you can get 15 in a couple hours

[tulip sundial]

Funny, because the 3 man full geared buffballers can W and swing with reckless abandon as a valid strat, and youre DEFENDING that strat

[vernal lotus]

Good to see it’s as heated as ever in here

[tulip sundial]

this disc is full of autists (myself included), of course its going to be heated

[stuck perch]

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything of the sort. Besides the more advantages a side has, the less they need to play well to win. That includes tactics, strategy, dodging ect.

That means it leaves them open to their opponents taking advantage of those things.

[rocky oak]

why cleric buffs dont last 120s like bard buffs do?

[tulip sundial]

You'll let the buffballers put whatever they want in your mouth, dont know why youd be upset about just words

[prisma dock]

Because bard needs nerfs prob

[vernal lotus]

Oh now it’s getting heated and kinky

[stuck perch]

I think some of those buffs should. At least the one that does almost the same thing (Blessing) as one of the bard's song.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/485438/increase-the-duration-of-bless-to-120s-to-match-the-bards-rousing-rythym

[prisma dock]

Play rouge to beat buff ballers sneak past the frontline kill the buffer run til buffs are gone it’s not as good as buff balling but it’s still a good way of beating it

[stuck perch]

Nerfing the fun and utility out of everything isn't the way to make the game fun or to balance things.

[tulip sundial]

so youre killing a full plate cleric with 60% dam resist with a naked rogue?

[stuck perch]

just 60%? if he has a blue weapon he can probably 2 tap that.

[prisma dock]

making bard the best class in the game for a 3 man isnt fun for partys its good with mages or clerics b.c refreshes thier spells its good for buff balling mage into 50% dr and infintie spell slots without resiting so it can take the shield spell that gives it mroe hp than barb or it can give a cleric / fighter max dr and heal the whole fight while massively fucking the enemys with the debuff 3 note song its not fun to fight or have to run a cleric in every team comp

[tulip sundial]

naked rogue
blue weapon
bruh

[prisma dock]

36% after wpa a blue dagger is 50 gold on the market but even assumingyou cant get 50 gold for a run you can run a gray dagger for 7 gold that will doe 60 damage on first swing to back of head lol which will do 40 hp in one swing (after dr)

[vernal lotus]

He did say if bro can’t just pick out what you want to read

[prisma dock]

now your gona conplain about my edit

[tulip sundial]

NAKED ROGUE
BLUE WEAPON
WTFISTHISCHAT.JPG

[stuck perch]

There's a lot of issues here. But you can still balance them without nerfing. For example the bard mechanic of clicking on the notes is a way to add complexity to his songs to off set that they're powerful.

[tulip sundial]

fuck me running jfc

[prisma dock]

i said with gray weapon its 60 damage reading comprehension i was commenting on blue daggers being 50 gold

[stuck perch]

How much time does the cleric have to turn around and react to being stabbed in the head before he dies?

[prisma dock]

usually dies to 3 stabs in the head with the 7 gold gray dagger and takes 2 hits to kill me luckily tho daggers swing faster than maces and if they have a spell book out cause htier buff balling than you kill them before they get a swing off

[stuck perch]

Even if they have their mace out, if you get them from behind they have to register what's going on, turn around and swing. Most of the time it doesn't get to that.

[prisma dock]

exactly

[prisma dock]

did you reread what i said ye tor is the first line the only thing you can comprehend still

[stuck perch]

I don't think he bothered to read past the first half of what you said. He might just be trying to stir things up.

[prisma dock]

kinda funny that i replied to someone else about a blue dagger and he coulddnt read the rest about with a gray weapon not to much of a suprise tho lol i think hes just sneeding and wants to rant

[stuck perch]

It's not like blue daggers are super expensive either.

[prisma dock]

and i feel wanting to rant after losing alot

[tulip sundial]

There is not a single grey dagger in this game that will do 60 dam on a headshot against 60% dam resist, your math is boned. And yes, i did see your edit, it was not as much of a response to your post specifically

[prisma dock]

read the full post its 40 damage after damage resist 💀

[stuck perch]

You do know that you have access to perks and skills even as a level 1 rogue?

[prisma dock]

22*1.5 weakpoint attack X1.5 ambush X1.5 headshot X1.1 dagger mastery

[tulip sundial]

Im not concerned with arguing againsts your edits, your math is still boned. its not 40 after dr

[stuck perch]

I'd throw in back attack in there but that requires you to get behind the target.

[prisma dock]

weakpoint attack reduces dr by 40% .6X.6 =.36 wow redusing damage by 36% after weakpoint attack @stuck perch was doing a level 10 build for somit you can getin 2 hours

[tulip sundial]

hes also factoring in perks that a level1-5 wont have all of

[short heath]

I've given up on attempting to speak sense into people in this Discord.

[stuck perch]

You said a naked rogue, not a level 1 rogue. If you want him to calculate what a level 5 rogue could do, you have to ask him that specifically.

[rocky oak]

devs dont read ur discussions anyway

[prisma dock]

ok so well do level 1 22 damage X 1.5 for head shot X 1.5 for weakpoint attack X 1.5 for ambush stab how much damage is that bro

[prisma dock]

reduce that by 36% and than how much damage is that?

[short heath]

You're not gunna reliably get off Ambush without the rest of the perks.

[prisma dock]

so than you get the one perk for walking ten steps and that is like level 5 which is verry attanable

[stuck perch]

22*1.5 weakpoint attack *1.5 ambush *1.5 headshot*1.3 back attack*60% DR = 57.9

If you creep up behind them without being seen because they're focused on something else like fighting your party, you don't need to use it until you need the damage buff.

W + L-click tactics don't work with rogues all that well.

[prisma dock]

but you can get level 5 in a couple hours max in goblin caves and he spisificly asked for level 5 access

[stuck perch]

Oh and I forgot to apply the armor pen from weakpoint attack in there.

[prisma dock]

but its funny he wants to have the attidue of he loses no matter what so he can give up ya know but i whined a lot in discord my first day playing too replying to you i think thats what hes struggling with is the armor pen math tbf tho all these buffs arent multiplicivitve besides the headshot one iirc damage ends up closer to 60 before armor b.c of negtivie phys power and all that its more like 22 +11 +11 *1.5 iirc so its 66 damage reduced by .36 after wpa reducing dr

[stuck perch]

True I forgot about negative armor pen.

[tulip sundial]

22x1.5x1.5x1.5x1.3x.4=38.61

[prisma dock]

weak point attack reduces damage reduction by 40%

[short heath]

None of you know how to do math, lol.

[tulip sundial]

Ill concede, my math was wrong

[prisma dock]

ye ya just didnt know about weakpoint attack it is about 40 ish damage after all the changes cuz rouge gets negitive phys power and other things also the 1.5s arent all multiplicitive meaning its 22+11+11*1.5 reducesed by .64 for about 42 damage

[tulip sundial]

For all the disc to see, @prisma dock is correct on the damage value of the dagger. We may dissagree on the finer points of balance, but you were correct on your math. @stuck perch still bottoms for buffballers tho

[prisma dock]

i do think buffballing needs nerfs but a good way to fight it is rouge killing the buff baller big issue is if its bard you kill them and they sitll are buffed for 2 mins aster bard dies lol

[stuck perch]

Cleansing the front line guy after his team spent 20s buffing him is hilarious too.

[prisma dock]

wait cleric clense turns off buff ball i need to try that next time i run cleric i barely play it tho

[short heath]

I think that Cleanse needs to be a longer cast speed length and have an area of effect instead of being single target.

[stuck perch]

Yeah, I don't know if it's intended but it removes all buffs and debuffs.

[tulip sundial]

Bro this is the disc for bottoming and complaining

[prisma dock]

💀

[stuck perch]

That's not a bad take, but we could just get more than one dispelling mechanic too.

[prisma dock]

i basicly only play fighettr or rouge b.c every time i play cleric i just get religated to full healing my team on a 1 second cooldown the whole fight and its BORING

[prisma dock]

if i was running buff balla nd htat hapepned id be so pised lamo thats kinda funny tho

[stuck perch]

Cleric frontline with a maul buffed by Bard and wizard is fun too.

[tulip sundial]

I think this is good counterplay, the only problem is that it’s locked to only cleric, or I think bard, severely limiting for solos or brawler and magic players edit:too to good

[short heath]

Imagine being a Fighter thinking you have 85% DR and you get two tapped because Cleanse brought you back to reality.

[prisma dock]

💀 thats unironicly hillarous when iplayed buff ball last play wipe the onlyl time i almost died was a rouge wpa me cuz i zoned out held w and left clicked unless thier was a mage but no one played mage at the start of playtest and i got god gear on first day doing deep dives so had like 93.( dr iirc

i 100% woulda died to that zoning out expecting nothing to stand a chance agisnt me and than just DEAD

[merry kestrel]

Fighter perks and skills are in a bad place, they're uninteresting and unused - there's a reason you only see fighters rocking shield and sword and using second wind and sprint 24/7. However, they're just the strongest skills fighters have. I propose that some perks and many skills need revised in order for fighter to enjoy more versatility in their choices.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487150/fighter-perk-revision

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487153/fighter-skill-revision

[stuck perch]

I had a suggestion asking for more dispelling mechanics and listed a bunch of possible ones. I don't need the exact examples implemented but rather just more dispelling mechanics in general. That can lead into the game tolerating stronger buffs and debuffs because we have ways to counter them.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/472900/add-purge-mechanics-to-several-classes-to-add-counter-play-against-buff-stacking#comment543589

[prisma dock]

fighter is best class rn bro as a fighter secondary player it doesnt need buffs

[stuck perch]

Fighter needs a 2hand perk. That's about it.

[merry kestrel]

please actually read what I posted instead of assuming I'm asking for second wind buffs. I am not asking for second wind buffs. this is why no one listens to some of y'all

[stuck perch]

Hey, I commented something reasonable the first time I saw you post that.

[merry kestrel]

you did and i appreciate you actually reading it instead of making broad assumptions

[mystic yoke]

If skills are almost never used on a class, then those skills are underpowered compared to their other options. Fighter skills are definitely boring and there is no reason at all to run half of them, I'd like to see some more options

[prisma dock]

i wish thier were longer fights without buffballing but i guess thats the benifit of a buff ball @tulip sundial ye thier needs to be more than just cleric to do that wizard should have dispel plus rouge semi counters it and i think it woudl be fine at that poitn

[short heath]

I don't think enough Rogues value being able to silence backlines/Clerics because damage and armor are so scuffed right now. Damage scaling still needs to be toned down a lot, imo, so that we can see anything other than massive dps and aim fights. There's zero thought put into 90% of team fights atm besides for dpsdpsdpsdps.

[stuck perch]

Not necessarily. There could be a problem with the perception of the skill or players might just like a different playstyle or the perk is ok power wise but it's boring to use.

[prisma dock]

buffing combo attack by increasing the damage on 2nd and 3rd hit by 10% woudl be craxzy isnt arming sword the highest dps weapon in the game rn or am i misunderstanding what yoru saying

[stuck perch]

True, but even if you did nerf all of that, that doesn't mean players are going to play any differently. There will always be those who focus on burst or dps exclusively.

[merry kestrel]

Right now, combo attack buff activates AFTER the second hit, and only applies to each consecutive hit within 2 seconds after the second hit. If you miss just one attack, combo attack deactivates. The only way to consistently activate combo attack is to ALWAYS hit EVERY attack and, even then, it only really applies to the 3rd and 4th hit because most things die in 3 to 4 hits anyway.

[stuck perch]

It also doesn't stack. So it's capped at +10%.

[prisma dock]

ye i feel like damge is way to high i think rouges 2 shotting people rn is fine cuz they get 2 shot no matter their kit which is cool they force others to play thier game listing to footsteps etc

[merry kestrel]

☝️

[prisma dock]

i think it should cap at 10% thats like the equiv of +5 str on fighter for dps and with slayer it goes hard on low geared chars and if you miss you can swing to hit a corpse if its nearby not practical 90% of the time but it keeps the combo going (just listing somit that is good) adrinline spike is flat out useless tho

[short heath]

Don't get me wrong, Rogues are basically meant to burst squishies... but right now they're one of two classes that can reliably beat Fighters/Clerics in plate. I think Rogues need to not get armor pen and just get flat damage so they remain lethal to Wizards, Rangers, Bards, and other Rogues, but can't immediately murk Clerics (or Fighters) in plate. That would bring silencing into the mix and put focus on Rogues sneaking into the back line to render Clerics useless, but still alive, while the rest of the team fights. They can then change targets to hit the other back line squish or help dps front line.

[merry kestrel]

on most arming swords, combo attack only gives +2 to +3 damage, even with slayer, and only if you keep hitting. And again, the bonus is useless because you would still kill things in the same number of hits

and even then I don't advocate for anything higher than 10%, just that it be a more consistent bonus

[prisma dock]

think about how much +3 damage costs on a weapon thats the equiv of moving yoru blue mid arming sword to an orange lowrole

[merry kestrel]

no slayers run orange arming swords sir and, even then, a falch is cheaper for the same damage. and even then, a blue arming sword is basically a waste on slayer

(buff leather caps)

[prisma dock]

no im saying combo attack adds +3 damage 32 goes to 35 im not saying slayer im saying combo attack which you said is +3 damage

[merry kestrel]

ah i see ok. well, combo attack should still be more consistent so it can apply to more weapons, such as spears, longswords, halberds, falchs, flanged maces, etc

[prisma dock]

big issue i have with figher is second wind i think it should be removed its not fun to play with or agisnt and is only a buff to the rich as i can bring like a green campfire kit every dungeon to refresh my second wind between fights but other fighters prob cant or it should heal for half as much but be able to be used multiple tiem sin the dungeon idk tho i think it should just be blatted cause one time use skill is kidna sad if its meta for most players

[timid mesa]

[Suggestion] Option in settings to not select the next utility item after using one

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487950/option-in-settings-to-not-select-the-next-utility-item-after-using-one

🆙 Vote it up

[unique barn]

Bro bring back the old way of healing, nobody likes this new horrible healing pot change, its so bad.

[prisma dock]

do you like second wind

[merry kestrel]

i think second wind is strong but not oppressive, i just think other skills need to be buffed

other classes have skills that are better overall and not one time use

but i think fighter's other skills should be buffed so that second wind isn't so mandatory.

[prisma dock]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487954/potions

[merry kestrel]

I like it. Down w the pharmacy meta!

[unique barn]

Yeah like i said, nobody

[merry kestrel]

Literally no one else is agreeing with you. The dungeon should be dangerous

[mystic yoke]

Stacking four pots before every fight was just boring, I prefer heals being more difficult to get

[formal lake]

Pickpocket on rouges should be able to steal worn jewelry

[unique barn]

There comes a point in a games life where changes start to make things tedious, the game is heading that way cuz you masochists want the game "hard" as if it's not hard enough, keep that up and the game dies because everyone eventually gets bored and sick of it.

[merry kestrel]

Pve is easy. The hard part is the pvp, which is on purpose.

[stuck perch]

They're finding that right balance, but they marketed the game as "hardcore" so it's not surprising a lot of people expect it to be.

[mystic yoke]

The health pot meta didn't make the game any harder or easier. It just provided a wealth check before every fight, either you have tons of pots or you go in at a severe disadvantage.

[unique barn]

Simple change is adding a cooldown before you can use another health pot to prevent spam, that is a much easier change and would be implimented, but nobody thinks twice do they? yall ride the devs like you call them daddy. Think for your selves

[shy junco]

hell no

[mystic yoke]

Isn't.... isn't that exactly what they did???????

[shy junco]

there is some straigh up baboons running 10 health pots 5 protect pots in normal 3v3 runs, thats nonsense and then proceed to die to skeletons. thats not wealth check. thats brain diff

[unique barn]

not really, they made health pots take extra long to heal you, while it does help prevent spam it make the pot kinda useless in combat since its as slow as molases

[stuck perch]

But health pots aren't intended to be used in combat, you use them outside of combat so you can be ready for the next fight.

[hearty folio]

imo pvp atm is oneshot or being oneshoted so they should not focus on health and should look at stats and how they scale. makes non sense every characters looks stack STR and then Knowledge on mage its kinda meme they just want to pop up all dmg and explode others, there's no counterplay. You hit you win you throw ur arrow first u win u throw ur spell early u won thats about this pvp meta.

u should have time reaction and make pvp more skilled imo

[stuck perch]

That's a fair point. How about increasing the health gain per point of strength so tankier classes can soak more without it scaling off into something silly?

[shy junco]

health is increased by it

[unique barn]

but that's stupid, what battle royale do you know that does this? the zone closing in and stuff makes things fast pace, who's the idiot behind that idea?

[calm sleet]

Okay so the developers should dissable voip in solo goblin cave because people are teamming and killing others.....

[stuck perch]

I know it is, I'm saying it's not increased enough by per point.

[hearty folio]

yea i mean id like how fighters scale with armor rating but makes non sense fighter full ar and str just oneshots u anyway with a flachion or bardiche so thats what im talking about every class should have his own stats scales

[small furnace]

It seems like we're talking about rogues, just wanna note. A near base kit rogue did kill me and my friend the other day with a green stiletto in just a couple of hits from behind before we even noticed him. I'm not upset about it, stuff happens, but yeah base kit rogues are very capable of killing people with extremely high phys res.

[stuck perch]

Dark and Darker isn't a battle royal. Battle royals you fight until 1 team remains and this isn't the case here.

[hearty folio]

make fighter do less dmg and tank more im aight w it for example but every class should be tankier coz makes non sense this oneshot meta.

[shy junco]

i dont think thats right. u as a fighter are tanky on your own. + armor from good gear + health from alot of strength u can easily get. nah its fine the way it is. Id argue make fighter do less dmg

[stuck perch]

Yet you're 2 or 3 tapped by a rogue before you can react. barb is even worse due to the lack of DR and not being to use a shield.

[hearty folio]

u can be a fighter full geared purple if i hit u w 2 zaps w 50knowledge mage u dead XD so who cares i mean

it makes non sense rogues and rangers looking for STR instead AGI just because meta is oneshot and u want to stack as many STR as possibvle for example

[shy junco]

well mages counter fighters

[small furnace]

Suggestion doesn't exist, I'd love to upvote it though

[stuck perch]

Barbarian has "extreme health" listed as a pro for their class. Yet they get bursted down just as easily as other classes.

[hearty folio]

facts

[shy junco]

barb can 1 shot, rogues have to play like rats to accomplish that

[small furnace]

A good wizard can kill everyone and anyone if they're skilled enough, same with bards. They're probably the strongest skill dependant classes there is right now.

[shy junco]

i bet you 100 bucks i can beat any wizard with my ranger. Some classes counter others, and thats okay

[small furnace]

You can kill most, because most people who play wizard lack the skill to be able to play him to his full effectiveness. If you've ever run into a wizard that really knows what they're doing though they will make you feel the class is ridiculously overtuned.

[hearty folio]

facts but stills the same problem idc if wizard outplays me hitting me 5 spells, but i dont like being 1 shoted (im main wizard btw i know what zap// fireball // mm does HAHAH)

[stuck perch]

I didn't say they couldn't. They just don't have "extreme health" as advertised on the tin. Their ability to one shot is mitigated by their slow movement and attack speed. Barbs typically need help to be able to one-shot.

[hearty folio]

yeah if u hold distances but if u dont see it coming w haste invi and he's melee ur fked

[small furnace]

At least a wizard using haste/invis combo to outmanuever me while choosing which spell to snipe me with and avoiding damage feels more fun to play into than a rogue just coming out of invis and 2-tapping me.

[shy junco]

barbs are one of the fastest class in the game. \ remove chestpiece and run people down with horsemans axe + rage ..

[hearty folio]

another thing that makes nonsense for me beside this oneshot meta its just the movement speed hahah like it has no sense for me some classes with bigger gear than cloth just catch people naked thats like wtf HAHAH

[stuck perch]

Here's my suggestion for the health
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/483802/increase-the-health-provided-by-strength-this-will-help-balance-damage-in-turn

[small furnace]

You did not just say that barbs are one of the fastest class in the game, they're only fast because no chestpiece...

[shy junco]

trust me i think wizard is omega busted, i really do, but i also do more dmg then him in a faster amount of time

[stuck perch]

That horseman's axe is the only valid gameplay option for Barb is sad. But even then you can still be countered by anything that immobilizes or slows you.

[shy junco]

like i said , without chestpiece, its the best way to play it for the bonus perk

[small furnace]

There are 4 classes that can move faster than barb without removing a chestpiece.

1. Rogue, base and default.
2. Bard, with any of their movement buff songs.
3. Ranger, still has high base AGI
4. Fighter, sprint duh.

[shy junco]

brother barb with RAGE, stop questioning, im saying everything u need to know yet u question it knowing the answer

[stuck perch]

Once you get set the scaling for health you can look at DR options. % based DR is a horrible armor system. We should explore other DR systems like ablative and additive systems. The final result can be a mix of multiple of these.

[small furnace]

I'm saying its wrong though, I can outrun barb on any of those classes even when they have rage. In a worst case scenario just removing your shirt while running, it literally takes 0 time and boosts your movement speed.

[shy junco]

you really want a class like barb the most dmg class in the game to be able to outrun others as base speed? of course not. your lucky enough to have traits that allow you to outspeed for moments

[small furnace]

I am taking into account their perks and skills.

[shy junco]

its bad enough that it can be double buffed by bard and wizard, just to run 1v3

[stuck perch]

It's not about having the barb outrun others, it's about having some cons to mitigate the pros of the class.

[shy junco]

its a hard thing to balance, i believe barb is a situational class

[small furnace]

I mean if you wanna get realistic every class in the game is a game of rock paper scissors (except bard and maybe wizard who with high enough skill beat anyone)

[stuck perch]

Yeah but that assumes the players picked the right set of perks skills and spells to counter specific classes.

[shy junco]

im pretty sure barb without chest piece, with proper perks to benefit it, and rage is the only good meta pick.

[small furnace]

There are definitely some classes where it feels like they only have one good way to play them.

[shy junco]

exactly

[small furnace]

Though for most classes they still only have like 2 viable archetypes, wizard and bard being the exceptions, maybe cleric too.

[stuck perch]

Can't quarterstaves and spears also parry?

[shy junco]

i played bard first time on goblin caves, i was spawn gear, dropped 3 kills by rushing them down with 4 bufffs... ahha that class is dumb as hell

i legit was 40% hp i got hit three times. by a ranger melee, it dealt no dmg to me brother, ended up getting 20 cobalt ore from him

[stuck perch]

Glad you like the class, I'm not touching it until they stop nerfing the fun out of it. Aside from that I thought I was going to main it.

[shy junco]

noo dont get me wrong, i was testing it. i dont like the whole concept of playing music 70% of the time. but it is hella strong solo, and mega busted in a team

[calm sleet]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487976/problem-with-teamming-in-goblin-cave-voip-on-solo-map-should-not-be-available can you give your opinion about it?

[shy junco]

i play ranger soo, its really not my thing

[shy junco]

i have never seen anyone getting teamed up by 3 guys in goblin that´s crazy

[stuck perch]

I'm not against selfish bard, solo or in a team. They're just bent on fixing the class by nerfing it until it's no longer fun rather than creating some counter play or some compromises to mitigate bard's strengths.

[calm sleet]

bro today i went in goblin with my best eq for like 3k and 3 people just push me and killed me and split my loot together

there were saying in voip idc about teamming idc idc... etc

[hearty folio]

Any vote is apreciated ❤️ https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487977/rebalance-stats-for-each-class-and-make-pvp-more-skilled-not-oneshot-meta

[calm sleet]

like its not 1 time i got killed by teamming people on solo map right..

[shy junco]

that´s mad bro, i have never seen such, but i do think that is an extremely rare occasion right. its not fair to straight up ban such feature, its not like they feel safe, theyr voip buddys could always backstab them

but as ironmace has said, premeditated teaming is bannable, so if there is proof they were sniping into eachothers lobbys they can and will be banned

[calm sleet]

yee but the problem is that u cant do much about it they will do it propably again in next games aswell only what u can do is just do a ticket that do nothing tbh

[stuck perch]

Hey a lot of classes can use the wonderful weapon that is a quarterstaff. Historically it was one of the more common weapons to find people using too.

For most of history there wasn't a government ban on people owning private weapons. It has more to do with cheap materials, the ease of manufacture and the defensive nature of the weapon.

[proper oracle]

Who thought it was a good idea to let warlocks spam Curse of pain infinity its so disgusting devs please for the love of dark and darker change that ASAP !!!!

[stuck perch]

Spaming curse of pain has a price for the warlock. What's wrong with that?

[wide lagoon]

disgusting geared bard opening up portal in 0.5 second after misplays, just tanking creeps. so stupid

[sand hound]

For real can't they just limit the amount of potions you bring to the dungeon to 1 of each type (type, not rarity) per player? This would solve the goddamn "pharmacy bag" meta no?

[naive nebula]

make health you can heal back up to not disappear after standing up. I don't see the point in it disappearing besides making it more of a risk in sitting down when enemies might be around. but with how long the sitting and standing animation is I feel like you're already at a disadvantage. mostly just annoying to enter a room you think your safe in only to sit down and have a spider from across the room run on you and you loose all the health you could've healed because of it

[proper oracle]

there is no cost at all you can dodge it 30 times they hit it once and get all health back it is the most broken thing in the game and if you dont think so you havn't experienced it its the poorest mechanic in the game

[empty sedge]

-instead of banishing +3 all make it greens can drop up to +1 all, blues +2 and purples/legies up to +3, all with lower rates, so some equips can feel really unique and valuable

[warped thunder]

imagine complaining rogues are the obnly class that need nerfed

[latent terrace]

fix the damn PVE mobs hitting through the walls

[minor bay]

Make a friends list. Create the ability to sort items in your inventory. Create the ability to "Sell All Trash Items" To the collector. These are low level dev tasks that would make us love you. Just fix the thing.

[latent terrace]

If the wall blocks my sword it should block the damn skeletons too!

[stuck perch]

At 4 health per cast, casting it 30 times before landing that's a total cost of 120, and they don't get MR against their spell casts. Either he's running immortal lament or he has tons of extra health. If he's running lament, he's dealing less damage but also you can probably 1 tap him.

[stuck perch]

Sounds like a good idea, submit it to the official site so we can vote it up.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[stuck perch]

The Ai isn't good enough to recognize that which would lead to a lot of cheesing.

[proper oracle]

no he is just geared brother trust me ive ran into a few time against GEARED warlocks in HR its impossible to play against the problem lies with them being able to cast infinitely legit doesnt matter if i dodge the spell 50 times and he is stuck in the storm cant catch him because he heas 30+ agi and hits one goblin or me with a spell and gets FULL HEALTH mean while chunks me for 1/4 its so disgusting and even if i managed to get into melee he goes invulnerable and gets away in storm its the only class that can legit solo hell bosses you cant tell me its balanced at all

[stuck perch]

I'm not saying it's balanced. However you'd be clearer if this was explained with less rage.

[proper oracle]

yes i am raging its disgusting

[manic orbit]

please bring back free high roller. now all the people that get gear of any type end up in full purples constantly and simply out number people. make a dungeon that has a high roller price and drops those rewards. but at lease have a mode that drops semi decent gear rather than the rare blue every so often. ruins has better drops than dungeons however you cant 3 stack in it anymore so its either dont play with friends or get dog loot when you have nothing. im not saying good loot shouldnt be worth it but high roller having the price makes it that the scaredy cats that dont wanna lose their kits just run around in free dungeons 2 tapping nakeds.

[stuck perch]

Maybe rightly so, but in your rage you've taken a handful of warlock features thinking it's a single problem. It seems to be the scaling for the self healing that you have issues with not the amount of spells cast.

[abstract swallow]

nah, free high roller killed everything good about high roller and flooded the game with even more lootbloat
and what, to fill GC HR, a HR version of a lower effort casual dueling gamemode? just go to Crypts in US/EU servers like everyone else until they wise up and trim down the queues

[proper oracle]

nope i dont care about the healing i dont care about the blow of corruption i only care about them being able to cast a spell as many times as they want

[stuck perch]

But they can't cast it as much as they want, they don't have the health for it unless running lament in which cast they're likely sitting at 1hp.

[proper oracle]

im sorry but you are just wrong what other class do i have to dodge the same spell 15times ? get hit once then have to dodge another 15 like bruh

[stuck perch]

Bard has no limits on the number of times he plays his spells, not even a health cost.

[proper oracle]

bard doesn't have curse of pain.. or whatever its called

[stuck perch]

Yeah I don't think this is a problem. The self-heal maybe but the number of casts of that thing isn't.

[proper oracle]

lets agree to disagree

[stuck perch]

Sure we'll go with that.

[sage oyster]

Has anyone thought about a replay system at all; to store locally; maybe 12-24hr serverside storage? I think many of us wonder how inthe world we died to 1 thing or the other and such a thing would be good to not just see more aboutt he game, understand it deeper. But also assuage concerns about something being to powerful or a mechanic not working properly. What do you guys think chat?

[granite plinth]

I suggest they fix their god damn game with the disconnects. how's that? Can't wait for nexon to take this and make it perfect and that nexon execs sleep with ironmace wives

[jolly quail]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488001/balance-cost-of-effectiveness

[abstract swallow]

this bait is so weak even Ghost wouldn't fall for it
c'mon

[jolly quail]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487999/remove-resting-health-disappearing-after-standing

[pure cloud]

WE NEED BIGGER STASH SIZES

[short heath]

No no, he'd fall for it.

[pure cloud]

fax

[stuck perch]

Speak for yourself.

[drowsy grotto]

Achillies strike needs to be removed/reworked, its ability is good for the barb to fight long ranged opponants although it leads to the issue of characters that need to be close to fight being completely hopeless in a large amount of scenarios. (eg, fighter pushes -> gets hit -> can't run or damage, easily footstooled or just stalled out of weapon
The downside to barb is slow attack speed (most of the time) and being on average slower then 90% of the classes in most scenarios, there shouldn't be an option that completely negates its downside. (I think fighter dash should also be removed for a similar issue of being too viable for every scenario)
Anyways that's all 💋

[worldly bramble]

archer skeli shoudnt aim for the head

[tulip hill]

Achilles strike when paired with a throwing axe can be used to get a lot of damage or force the opponent to stop moving, allowing the barbarian to get close
If the barbarian is already in melee combat, their two handed weapons are still slow enough to dodge or block effectively making achilles strike easier to avoid but extremely deadly if the barbarian managed to hit you with it
the only time it becomes a real issue comes when you consider the horseman axe (and to a lesser degree the hatchet)
the one handed barbarian weapons have enough speed that Achilles strike is no longer making up for a weakness of the barbarian but is instead amplifying the class's strength
with that said however, against ranged classes the barbarian still needs to make it to them which can be difficult, and for classes with access to shields a horseman axe is still very plausible to block
so in reality this combo is most effective against rogues, which is actually fine considering barbarians should probably be very effective against rogues
with all that said though, I do wish the two handed axes had a bit more going for them but horseman axe is just so much more flexible as weapons

tl;dr you generally should use a shield against barbarians especially against Achilles Strike, if you don't have a shield, you should avoid directly confronting barbarians

[potent stream]

so other classes should just be able to run from them without them having any chance to get melee range ?

[drowsy grotto]

Axes/fists, I don't want my only option against a class to be going out of range just to avoid one attack which has an infinite usage time.

[drowsy grotto]

So I'm forced to bring a shield just to deal with one situation?
Screw two handed weapons, am I right?

[potent stream]

I don't want my only option to fight other people to be drop your gear and use fists just to able to get close to them

[drowsy grotto]

You don't drop your gear and you can always pull out your weapon when you get close to range once you hit them with the strike, rage is a thing ya know?

[potent stream]

I am talking about fighter

[tulip hill]

Longsword, Bardiche, Quarterstaff, Spear, and technically the flute can also block, shields are just more forgiving with their blocks

[drowsy grotto]

Yeah but how many times have you ever really seen anyone block with those minus longsword?

[finite burrow]

pretty dumb to remove +3 attributes from every piece of gear going forward and not wiping, now we have old pieces still in circulation which is crazy OP now

[tulip hill]

that's a player issue, not a game issue

[drowsy grotto]

It is a game issue if the ability to block with non-shields is horribly horrendous.

[potent stream]

It seems like player issues when i have no problem dealing with that barb

[tulip hill]

you are unironically describing a skill issue

[drowsy grotto]

Plus fists and aim at legs = achillies strike still hits, shields obviously negate this but then we're back at square one with being forced to bring an item.

[drowsy grotto]

If they added a spell that one shots and the only counter was a single frame dodge, do you think that'd be an issue?

[stuck perch]

if players can manage to do reliably once they understand how then no it wouldn't be an issue.

[tulip hill]

what I'm saying is blocking with those weapons is not as hard as you are making out to be

[drowsy grotto]

Fine, so the counter to an infinitely lasting achillies strike is to block it when they can just be patient?

[potent stream]

just bonk that barb in the face and kill it problem solved. IDK how to counter weakpoint attack either

[drowsy grotto]

Then they attack whilst you're and then it's practically KO

[tulip hill]

yes.
that would be the smart play on the barbarian's part assuming it is a situation where they aren't being pressured to retreat or push

[drowsy grotto]

So, it is an issue?

[potent stream]

then go play barb shows us how you won't die to any players with it. If you really think there is no counter play to barbarian with achilles how do i manage to kill those ?

[drowsy grotto]

I usually don't die, I've only really screwed up to rogues and fighters with 60%+ phys reduction.

[tulip hill]

how is both parties having an option that keeps the fight in a neutral state an issue?
if neither players are being pressured to act, I don't see how not acting is a problem

[drowsy grotto]

Constant neutral is an issue.
If someone had the ability to stunlock perm but if they stopped at any moment they'd insta-die, that's constant neutral but also still an issue due to the fact it's stopping both players from actually doing anything meaningful in the game.
It'd just usually lead to a third-party, which is an unsolvable issue, but if a perm-neutral situation does happen it only benefits the third-party.

[worldly bramble]

cave troll is the worst boss ever created come on, just run in circle around him and hit his bag of healt for 20min just for the zone to kill you.... And even if you kill him loot is 80% not worth it even with a luck potion

High roller cave troll is even easier

[abstract horizon]

Make cleanse remove drunkenness' with ale to be more viable with teams.

[tulip hill]

being forced to stun someone or you instantly die is not a neutral state even if the stun does no damage and has no cooldown
one player (the person with the stun) is being pressured to keep the stun up or they die
your hyperbolic analogy doesn't work
fact, the barbarian could choose to go in and try to bypass the block
fact, the other person could choose to go in to force the barbarian to act
these are both very risky for the person initiating, yes, but both players can choose to progress the fight at any time, another discepency in your analogy

[worldly bramble]

just gotta have a cleric perma healing you and its gg what ever you rocking

[drowsy grotto]

Well the analogy was hypothetical, still the barb should have other options to deal with ranged enemies as that's the main focus of the strike and if it isn't then it's simply just too strong.
I'm a heavy disliker of skills being forced due to the other options being worthless and this is a prime example of it even if it is counterable (even though the counter is stupid).

[abstract horizon]

LFG, lvl 20 barb down for HR, hell, pvp; dm if you need one

[drowsy grotto]

So either buff all other barb skills in-order to be equal with the strike or simply nerf it.

also it's been 40 minutes and I needed to go like 10 minutes ago, sorry to cut the argument short.

[tulip hill]

Achiles Strike is designed to stop people from fleeing, either applying it range so you can get into your comfort zone as a barbarian, or in melee to force the person to contend you
those able to block can block the strike itself or if they are hit by it use their block to survive the follow up attacks, those unable to block are generally more mobile or have range and should look to keep good spacing and dodge any throwing axes
the ability's numbers should be under heavy scrutiny but its design is fine

and alright, have a nice time doing whatever it is you gotta go do :)

[barren echo]

Get rid of rouge double jump. nothing like a rouge getting to an area that noone can reach and just sit there for the raid

[scenic abyss]

Make the magic system logical

[wintry fog]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488022/let-everyone-choose-their-starter-weapon-from-the-options-available-to-their-cla let everyone choose their starter weapon

[woeful hound]

I think the double jump slow debuff should be a double jump cooldown instead. So you wouldnt be able to doublejump repeatedly instead of being slowed

[flint atlas]

goblin map has like 1 portal that spawns 1 second before the swarm kills you .... its literally dogshit after patch..... you kill every person and die to no portals

better off just going ruin and winnning 1v2 and taking one of the 300 portals then wasting gear to swarm deaths in goblin cave

[drowsy grotto]

They took the complete wrong direction with zap and made it completely unusable with low geared wizards and made it only strong with high geared ones (in goblin caves at least)

[hallow saffron]

3 portals one stairs. 9 players.

1 portal spawns 3rd ring, 1 spawns 4th ring final spawns 5th ring. stairs open 3rd/4th ring. youre being skill gapped

[sacred tangle]

how often dose it wipe?

[gentle rapids]

Eventually

[tame heart]

Please add the fists of justice gauntlets from regular show

[drowsy grotto]

Honestly cestuses would be cool

Maybe even an end-game quest item when they start making quests in 2043

[hasty hawk]

Can there be an option to turn off automatically equipping the next slot in your toolbar. Ive been killed too many times for drinking a pot and being forced to take out another pot before I can run again because it slows my movement speed.

[normal turtle]

#MakeMerchantSellInfinitePots thanks 🙂

[abstract swallow]

We had this once. It was terrible.
Genuinely the worst meta the game has ever seen.

[mossy burrow]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487417/bring-back-rupture-to-torches-or-remove-the-ability-for-other-classes-to-use-the

Check it out and upvote if you agree that rupture should also still apply DoT effects on throwables if achilles does, or just remove them both from throwables, not one or the other.

Youtube links provided in the topic.

[small furnace]

I don't want wipes every time they change a piece of gear, but I think something should be done about changing gear and then the old gear being much stronger as a result.

+3 attr change is a huge example of this.

People are scowering chats looking for +3s to make their builds with for thousands and thousands of gold. In reality when they changed it so that +3 can't exist anymore they should've just auto adjusted every existing +3 to +1.

This whole grandfathered gear situation will only get worse over time, and yeah it'll fix itself by the next wipe but assuming we're doing one every 6 months thats a long time to deal with the consequences of people hoarding unfair loot, even if you only come across it once in a blue moon.

[fair gyro]

Is their already an official suggestion to lower the effectiveness of wiz's haste+invis on other players (biggest offender here being barbarian)

a halfed duration would be amazing in that you would be more likely to actually hear them cast it before an invisble one shot machine just appears out of thin air

[hearty vessel]

Get A MMR before all the virgins going full purple into goblin caves kill your game

I'm lvl7, how dafuq im gonna even compete

[fair gyro]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488057/half-the-duration-of-invisibility-and-maybe-haste-when-cast-on-other-players

[pulsar verge]

I've seen some talk on match making on gear with a score, but I don't think Item level match making is the way to go. A ranked system would probably be better. Be matched against people who have similar wins and losses, and those who WIN more get a boost of some kind, like loot you can open inside the tavern, that way it incentivizes people to try to win and get better, but also keeps people of different skill levels away from each other. I'm thinking similarly to something like Hearthstone.

[merry kestrel]

Fighter perks and skills are in a bad place, they're uninteresting and unused - there's a reason you only see fighters rocking shield and sword and using second wind and sprint 24/7. However, they're just the strongest skills fighters have. I propose that some perks and many skills need revised in order for fighter to enjoy more versatility in their choices.

These two links do NOT recommend second wind buffs.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487150/fighter-perk-revision

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487153/fighter-skill-revision

[hearty vessel]

thats the easiest way to cheese the matchmaking, loose a bunch on white to get into the bot lobbies. theres little you can do with skill alone other than run away or get very lucky to kill and player thats 3-4 gear tiers above you

the major factor deciding fights is gear difference, this is not like eft that you can still kill a geared player with one headshot.\

[pulsar verge]

Yes but I think it's better than limiting it to gear score alone as it would also be bad for noobies or those who are having a hard time. Also, when I talk about Hearthstone, there is two game modes. Casual (Which is everyone from any skill level plays at random) and Ranked (Which is where you get your better loot from if you do win more, and are placed at higher brackets next season as well with great incentivization to win.) Heck, you can put a lock on someone who is purposely dying over and over to get into weaker lobbies too. But in either case, I am trying to find a middle ground for those who are both yelling at each other "I hate geared" people vs "skill issue" people

[hearty vessel]

again, if you get paired with ppl with similar gear, skill difference is what should make a fight. thats something you can have always with you and at the very least youll be able to survive more fights, and not get one shot by a barb or rogue that you cant literally do nothing about that.

[flint atlas]

its literally not worth it, skill gaping your sister every night, every game 1v3 much easier then goblin caves is my point like 2 portals and they spawn in the dumbest fucking spots like 3 floors anf its on one of 3 lvls why would anyone want that.... or you play 1v2 or 1v3 kill a group of shits crutching on being in a group and there are like 300 portals all over all game long easy to get away... or play goblin caves.... get greys unless your farming troll

[hallow saffron]

get gud kiddo.

[pulsar verge]

I think with the same wins and losses, you'll more than likely be paired with people with similar skills anyways. And if Barb and a Rogue is an issue with that.. then that's sort of a problem in itself.

[serene fulcrum]

all my games are ver geared people coming in to normal lobby and killing everyone. i wish they had a gear score system

[flint atlas]

your talking shit when your on twitch with a fake anime bot as the person lmfao hide some more

[pulsar verge]

I mean.. I hope they get to that first.

[hearty vessel]

a regu;ar gear rogue or barb is not, but when youre lvl7 and some dude just jump out of invis full purple theres literally nothing you can do to win that

[pulsar verge]

Oh absolutely, I don't disagree! I don't feel great at the game and I will definitely get owned!

[hallow saffron]

you sound mad. maybe put a little more time into getting better at the game and understanding the map design and less time baby raging when you get destroyed by a low level grey kitted cleric in goblin caves.

[pulsar verge]

But I don't think it's that EXACT approach that would be best. Maybe you can mix the two together somehow? But in either case, I just want everyone to be able to enjoy the game, it's fun, and when I do win I feel great, but I recently feel like I have plateaued now.

[flint atlas]

i have never ddied to anything besides no portals and not being near the exit thats my point

[hallow saffron]

thats literally a skill issue kiddo. portals are super easy to get on GC. just learn the map trash.

[flint atlas]

I make 100k a year and work full time I dont have hours a day to beat off in my moms basement and go on twitch with a fake female bot and pretend to be good at something lol

[hallow saffron]

you dont make 100k a year, I probably pay more for my house then you do, aint a fake female bot, dont pretend to be good. I know im bad which is why I dont do High roller but atleast I know im better then a baby raging shitter like yourself

i mean shit dude im at work right now. while youre jacking off and crying over a video game

[flint atlas]

mhmmm i bet

[hallow saffron]

sorry that you got shit on by your inability to understand basic map reading and map design that after a few runs of goblin caves you are unable to locate the portals or know how to traverse the map.

maybe your dad can beat it into you the same way he pounds your rear every night.

[flint atlas]

put back on that baseball cap to hide your balding head, and those baggy cloths to hide that extra weight, thats why your twitch name is not a real person. you are ashamed of who you really are. its ok.

lets go watch this guy and twitch and his 20 folowers

[hallow saffron]

yep mhm. its okay kiddo I understand that youre inbred and think you are successful in life. go back to the basement.

[willow fulcrum]

Do we have a confirmation for removing the bad toolbelt changes?

[hallow saffron]

none yet. whats wrong with the changes? I havent felt it being off.

[flint atlas]

ok balding chubby adult

[hallow saffron]

the fact that you are this mad at me for saying you got skill gapped in goblin caves literally tells me and EVERYONE reaidng this convo that you are trash at the game and have no life lmfao. 100k a year my ass

[willow fulcrum]

For me it's the weird animation lock and pulling out the torch while I'm sneakily bandaging myself in a dark corner

[pulsar verge]

Guys, can you take the arguments out of the suggestion? .. I mean, this is just a suggestion, but still! lol

[hallow saffron]

im having fun. Idk why hes so angry but this is quite amusing while im drinking coffee on my break lmfao

AHAHA oh thats great

careful dont get your msg blocked for spam skilla!

[short heath]

How much you think I make? Let's play the money game.

[flint atlas]

yea buddy keep sitting in discord all day while never touching a girl in your life, to the point where the closest you ever got was your own twitch Ai bot who you made female for extra attention lol. hey guys come watch me on twitch! wait its a female anime bot? HUH? yea no thabnk you thats cringe.

[pulsar verge]

More than 1. Less than 1 billion.

[hallow saffron]

honestly havent seen you raging in chat over goblin caves so probably20 an hour 😄

[short heath]

That's less than a third of what I make. Some of us do work for a living, and lots of hours at that.

[hallow saffron]

I mean I do work for a living, im making about 20 an hour which is around 150k a year. not a lot but if youre making 60 an hour im impressed what do you do for work?

[flint atlas]

yea i just worked 90 hours then some balding fem boy started to insult me when I make more money and have abs. just Don't like peasents breathing near me

[short heath]

The nuclear is quite literal in my name.

[hallow saffron]

ahhh that makes sense lmfao.

[spring ginkgo]

u guys confused channel

[flint atlas]

good chat i subbed to your twitch

[hallow saffron]

damn I guess all those selfies on my twitter with my almost shoulder blade length hair is balding. damn. stop raging over goblin caves and learn the map LMFAO.

[merry kestrel]

Fighter perks and skills are in a bad place, they're uninteresting and unused - there's a reason you only see fighters rocking shield and sword and using second wind and sprint 24/7. However, they're just the strongest skills fighters have. I propose that some perks and many skills need revised in order for fighter to enjoy more versatility in their choices.

These two links do NOT recommend second wind buffs.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487150/fighter-perk-revision

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487153/fighter-skill-revision

[hallow saffron]

Like I get it skilla you have body dysmorphia and figure that working out non stop when youre not getting railed by your father is gonna make you feel better, but clearly its not.
Go outside, get some air, touch some grass. Maybe smoke a joint or have a smooth glass of whiskey. Attacking me for the fact that I enjoy using a vtuber model to stream so that I can have shit in my background that isnt TOS friendly is insane. You dying to not finding portals in goblin caves because you cannot learn the map layout after 2-3 runs and cant use your ears to locate the portals opening is quite literally a skill issue and not a game issue

[pulsar verge]

I would like to see a revision on their skills, and not a nerf on their two best skills.

[merry kestrel]

i am not asking for a nerf. why doesn't anyone actually read the post or what's in them

[pulsar verge]

No no! I wasn't saying you did! I just hope if Devs are to read this, they don't think to nerf. I remember saying something about a spell in a different server, and then the dev was like "You're right. I'm going to nerf this ability."

It was for a game called Swords and Magic and Stuff. lol

[merry kestrel]

I unironically want wizards to have like teleports and illusion and conjuration spells

Only so that the rest of the classes can be just as broken :V

[pulsar verge]

I'd love to see that.

[mossy burrow]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487417/bring-back-rupture-to-torches-or-remove-the-ability-for-other-classes-to-use-the

Check it out and upvote if you agree that rupture should also still apply DoT effects on throwables if achilles does, or just remove them both from throwables, not one or the other.

Youtube links provided in the topic.

[normal basalt]

my game crashes every game

[woeful flint]

Make double gate portals spawn at ruins, its that akward moment when you wanna leave the dungeon but you also wanna help your friend leave as well but maybe is not worth the risk cause you both may endup dying... (I digress). I wouldn`t make them all spawn as double gates, just follow the concept of crypt.
Decision making is a cool aspect of gates, as well as fighting true rooms of enemis to find the double gated portal could be. My 2 cents anyways.

[soft acorn]

its so stupid that Fighter's skill sprint gives more movement speed than Warlock's Phantomize ( About 6% ms diff) + additional during Phantomize Warlock gets 50% more magic dmg - even more stupid.

Maybe additional arrows and bolts should pierce him for extra 25 % damage?

[real trellis]

Unless they changed it, two portals do spawn during final ring...

[real trellis]

Most spells can't actually hit you during phantomise, the splash damage from fireball can get you but that's about it, anything that requires direct impact just sails through you

[unique barn]

Yeah Achiles needs to get nerfed, wtf is that shit

[final basalt]

Just opened my phone after work and this is what I seen. How many hours you working a year Jesus, i make a lil more than you and I’m not even seeing half that!!

[cosmic sleet]

Fighter needs some kind of change/buff as it has no place in the current meta and a majority of its skills and perks are useless. Toddfather has a video on this that covers this topic in its entirety. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P33_DXAOH9s

[solemn needle]

[hallow saffron]

40 a week at just under 20 an hour , over 20 when nightshift like right now.
honestly my math is probably wrong I did it fast. lemme dbl check it now

dude how da fuck did I get 153k wtf did I type in
Redid the math cause IDK WTF i typed in previously. was doingsomething for work at the times o I have to assume I misplaced a number between the two so gonna have to redo some work .-. just under 30k a year which I dont see all of.

[scarlet creek]

Add Javelins as another ranged option.

[solemn needle]

math doesn't math for me.... 20$/h is 41600$ a year. (52 weeks x 40 x 20) - people make some crazy math

[hallow saffron]

oh yeah I guess 52 weeks i was doing it as 20x8= 160 x 14 (days) = 2240 x 12 months = 26880.

mental math when im doing other stuff is NOT my strong suit .-.

[solemn needle]

all good - my brain is just fart 😐

[hallow saffron]

math is hard.

[hushed cedar]

i wish there was an option to disable lobby sounds

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[small furnace]

I'm absolutely dying that you misread your income as being 6x what it actually is hahahaha

[hallow saffron]

bruh I dont even pay attention to my income. I have enough disposable that I buy what I want when i want it and live fairly comfortably LMFAO

[small furnace]

That's aight I once told someone I make in an hour what I make in a day on accident so I do feel with you the quick maffs failure

[hallow saffron]

it is as it turns out, me inputting a number from work in the math and my income into the work I was doing... almost sent off a report with the entirely wrong numbers

[hard escarp]

remove bard, wizard, and blow of corruption. Thanks

[brisk pebble]

petition for shaking fist ingame emote

[hallow saffron]

yes

[chilly adder]

Day 2 of suggesting a trade channel here in discord

[dull sphinx]

bolas and arrows should not be able to break doors

[hallow saffron]

I agree or make it so player arrows can also break doors >:C

[granite plinth]

add locks to the game

to put ALL WIZARDS in PRISON

[gilded aspen]

Auction House idea:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487024/auction-house

[obtuse kindle]

STOP THE GOBLIN MAGES HITTING THROUGH FUCKING WALLS bruh I was all the way at the centipede spawn under the goblin mage + health shrine in goblin caves. Got hit 2 times for 80% my hp and died. The mage was sitting near the health shrine just wall zapping me WTF

[gilded aspen]

A ton of PvE can just hit through walls, it's kinda rediculous

[obtuse kindle]

I was slow move speed because I was bandaging from the first wallhack. Second one hit me all the way through the wall + floor combo absurd

[rain knot]

they should add taking damage from standing on torches to stop people from cheesing hell

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[dusk vault]

A good adjustment to bard would be after let's say 5 songs either in general or the same tune he needs to re-adjust his instruments. Than after that give him a perk where he does alilittle bonus dmg if he smacks someone with a lute, it re-tunes his instruments 🤣

[tiny shard]

It would be nice to be able to see party mates in your mini map, atleast for pvp fighting when alot is happening

[mossy burrow]

Check this out!! Thrown torches applying achilles still for barbs but not rupture for rogues!! Upvote to get this changed!!

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487417/bring-back-rupture-to-torches-or-remove-the-ability-for-other-classes-to-use-the

[latent burrow]

Guys how do you feel about traps having a universal time to break? I don't think resourcefulness should be the determine factor

[vernal hedge]

I think you should just be able to 1 or 2 hit them with melee/arrows to destroy them after activated.
As well has being able to attack it or throw shit at it to activate it

[hearty folio]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487977/rebalance-stats-for-each-class-and-make-pvp-more-skilled-not-oneshot-meta

[elfin vigil]

Make windlass able to break doors to give them a more utility aspect aswell

Don’t make every arrow break doors that wouldn’t make sense , also skeletons break doors with Swords we can’t do that ourselves and shouldn’t

[real trellis]

Don't you hate it when someone joins your VC randomly without going through lfg to see what you're planning to do and what classes you're asking to play with, and you have to ask them to leave because they can't do what you're planning on doing? Or when you're trying to duo in the ruins, and someone joins the VC randomly and starts shouting slurs at you when you explain that you're only playing duos right now? Here's my suggestion to fix this issue. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488128/random-vc-joiners-are-a-problem-that-needs-looking-at

[glacial sphinx]

Improve the Wizard hat, if its gnna have -5 movement and bad armor it needs more headshot reduction or an attribute bonus. I really want to wear it

[real trellis]

some armor is not meant to be good

It's just there so you don't have negative armor, like the adventurer's tunic, cloth pants, ranger and rogue hoods, wanderer attire

[elder estuary]

fix the stutter when pulling out each different intrument, so many people having this

[glacial sphinx]

It's got an iconic look and there are very few helm options for Wizard, it should be viable to wear before green level. Currently equipping a white one is worse than having nothing

[real trellis]

Personally I think they should make an even longer wizard hat that has +1 will on it and have that be something you can find

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/480844/we-need-to-talk-about-torches-theyre-worthless-if-you-already-have-some Torches should not show up in chests that need to be LOCKPICKED and they DEFINITELY shouldn't be on the ground in the troll's loot room

Like I used bard's opening song to open up a locked bronze chest WITH THE PERK THAT GIVES ME MORE LUCK and I looked inside... TORCH. Are you fucking kidding me? Imagine if someone used a lockpick on that.

The absolute bare minimum that should be in a chest is 1 silver coin

[latent burrow]

i didnt think abt that but I agree, should work like all the other traps in the game

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[normal robin]

randomize monster spawns, slow down the swarm, buff buffs, buff clarity potions, remove instruments as items and make "i" cycle instruments. leave the wizard alone, nerf hunting traps to not deal damage if you don't move.

[silk ridge]

I've made a suggestion regarding a recent change to the game that I find a bit questionable. Give it a vote and post a comment if you feel the same way
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488139/after-using-a-utility-item-you-will-automatically-grab-the-utility-item-in-the-n

[icy panther]

remove redundant armor pieces that serve no purpose but to bloat loot pool

[glacial sphinx]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488155/ranged-weapon-rebalance

[granite moon]

But but but my bard needs 3 funny helmet (which literally all have same base stats lmao)

[rocky oak]

elven bow of no counterplay

[icy panther]

occultist tunic is also just frock

[flint goblet]

I want to suggest the removal of locking perks behind levels. Doesn't it make the user experience objectively worse?

Having to Regrind these perks and sink hours of our precious time with an unnecessary handicap benefits no one.
It has disincentivized me getting back into the game after a wipe, it disincentivizes me from playing more classes each wipe.
It feels like an absolute chore. Wouldn't it just be way more fun to always go in with full perks?
Who actually wants to play the game with less perks than the other players? It's hard enough for newer players, why make them tie their arms behind their back?
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488162/removal-of-locked-perks

[ripe turtle]

Silver coins material for craftin silver arrows and weapons against vampires and werewolves.

[atomic whale]

What you think about even more hardcore dungeon "Dragon nest" which would allot 4 peoples parties and no hell level ?

[hoary crystal]

Add martial artist class. Specializes in hand combat or quarterstaffs. Perhaps a leg-sweep ability that can disorientate the opponent for a few seconds and has faster punching speed than other classes.

[elfin vigil]

Make ur own discord ?

[glacial moon]

Bigger dungeons, harder enemies, magical doors which opens up after all monsters are dead in the room, more puzzle in rooms, more traps in rooms, mini bosses before bosses, darker dungeons n cave systems (more light torches by default set to OFF),
Real DnD - More pve - Little lesser pvp -
Make rogue a pve class, they steal in town from vendors, and players. (if they get caught it gives bad karma)
New system called: Karma system, bad karma means player killer, a theif forexample getting caught, or doing a quest from a vendor which gives you bad karma as a reward with a few other things.
Good karma, is helping players, doing quest's (for good karma) which gives good karma as rewards and other things. ect.

[solemn needle]

I love the DND stuff - but if you are looking for a pve experience, this is not your game. This is all around PVP and extraction

[glacial moon]

That s fine too i don't mind pvp im just sayin atm rogue kinda start to feels more of a pve class than a pvp. Donno if this is intentionally or. Because they have some plans with it i assume.

[granite plinth]

dnd pve = baulders gate

[solemn needle]

[glacial moon]

I mean we donno what is coming with these skills and vendor quest's ect. And i think devs want rogue to become more a pve class rather than a pvp. (Not saying it won't be able to do some pvp but just not as good as pve)

[granite plinth]

nothing will ever be PVE only

[glacial moon]

Did i say that? Sorry my mistake then. But i just mean that it feels they are trying to make it more of a pve class than a pvp. Not saying it can't pvp

[solemn needle]

These are great suggestions imo - once the DaD website is up and running you can post a suggestion on their board

[granite plinth]

yeah ? Devs want rouge to be pve rather than pvp ?

thats exactly what you fucking said my dude xD

[solemn needle]

nvm the suggestion board is working - https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[glacial moon]

Read my edited comment again 🙂

[granite plinth]

"edited"

[glacial moon]

Well it's not a suggestion that rogues should be pve class only xD

[solemn needle]

suggestion / new feature....

[ruby pendant]

why is Ironmace leaving ranger as the only “straight dps” untouched with his damage, when he deals the most damage in the game with the least amount of effort? It just shouldn’t be fighters and rangers using ranger in high roller to win every lobby, it’s already old.

[granite plinth]

rangers are easy to kill as rouge, its just rock paper scissors

[ruby pendant]

Well wizard has extremely limited range on his spells, with limited space for spells, where as ranger can walk in the dungeon with 100 arrows and keep going nuts

[jovial swan]

This game needs:
-Fighters to have a new perk that allows them to run Crossbows.
-Fighters to have Sprint nerfed to +30 flat speed with any metal plate armor on, but still +50 if no metal armor is used.
-Bard to have 30 seconds cooldown when casting music on an ally, per ally, per music piece.
-Warlock to have his Perks fixed and additional Perks/Skills/Magic.
-Warlock to have Blow of Corruption hard nerfed.
-Chain Lightning to be changed to a beam that can be channeled for up to 5 seconds, deals colossal damage to the initial target, and then less damage equally distributed to multiple targets.
-All Classes to be able to throw the Drum or hit with the Lute.
-All Bows/Crossbows to deal less weapon damage.
-All Arrows/Bolts to have weapon damage and rarities applied to them.
-Quarterstaff to have a buffed movement speed.
-Viking Sword to have a new attack pattern.
-Castillon Dagger to deal slightly more damage.
-Goblin Bolaslingers to throw at the feet instead of the head.
-Death Beetle slowdown stacking removed.
-Better Cave Troll loot.

Boom, better game.

Better for casuals, hardcore players and pros as a start.

[granite plinth]

fighters can use bows though ?

[ruby pendant]

I don’t think fighter sprint needs to be nerfed it’s already not that great, and nobody is waiting 5 seconds for a chain lightning bro lol

[jovial swan]

@granite plinth I'd remove any ability for them to use Bows and relegate it to a perk.
@ruby pendant It's not 5 seconds of casting time, it's 5 seconds of channeling time, meaning you're holding that beam down for 5 seconds after casting for 2. Mid-ranged beam, though.

[granite plinth]

ahh i see what youer saying, yeah agreed

[ruby pendant]

Just make a new spell instead of changing functionality of already great spell

[jovial swan]

We do not need a broken spell that can wipe even stacked teams.

[granite plinth]

i just hate bards, theyve literally ruined this game for me

[jovial swan]

Actually I think my nerf to Fighter using Bows might not be necessary since I'd be reworking how bows, crossbows and arrows work.

[ruby pendant]

Fighter has shitty perks unless you run longsword anyways or naked fighter

[primal siren]

Yea, Viking sword has the mace swing animation, wish it had something different

[jovial swan]

I think my changes would be a very fair start, especially the one with Bard, which really limits and makes him less braindead on teams while also not nerfing him on solos.

[atomic whale]

There is already "wtf"

[granite plinth]

the bard campfire spell, should only speed up campfire healing AT A CAMPFIRE, not act AS A CAMPFIRE

[gentle rapids]

<.<

[jovial swan]

30 seconds of cooldown per musical piece, per piece, when casting per ally, would be an amazing nerf that makes it so that Bard can't spam anything to allies, but if he uses it on himself, no cooldown at all.

So yeah, it'd be up to 60 seconds of cooldown if cast on BOTH allies, per music piece, so players using them would have to think very wisely or they will get boned.

[atomic whale]

useles class, its like suggesting to remove bard

[jovial swan]

I could probably think of many other ideas that the developers really need to consider that I believe would be very great for all levels of play.

[granite plinth]

yeah ive had enough of the game where it is right now, im waiting on some changes

[solemn needle]

crazy idea - bard songs should affect ALL players in range

that would be recipe for chaos

a fully boosted barbarian with cleric and bard can perfectly one shot anything I believe? and I love it

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[dusky kernel]

What if bard songs were, idk, 20% weaker but he had some resource (bardic inspiration) that made the effect of songs 50% stronger
He could still spam in an even weaker state and would have to manage his resources for pvp encounters

[jovial swan]

Things like:
-Lockpicks being single-stack, unlimited use items that have rarities to increase lockpicking speed and reduce skill check frequency.
-All two-handed weapons currently without M2s having an M2.
-Potions being reverted back to the previous state; the 2.0 state, not the 1.0 state.
-Bandages being changed to heal 25% of non-recoverable health if used after recoverable health.
-Quickshot being changed to deal 3 hits of 50% damage each.
-Ambush dealing 30% additional damage.
-Stealth having less footstep time but can allow you to not become visible when someone bumps into you.
-Invisibility actually resetting enemy placements back to normal instead of having them stick around.
-War Maul dealing damage to shielding enemies just to be extra terrifying.
-Weapons of 4 impact power or more penetrating vases and continuing their swing regardless.
-Weapons of 5 impact power or more penetrating boxes/barrels and continuing their swing regardless.

[neon vortex]

Standard Gear Dungeons for newer players to not get abused: https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488150/standard-gear-only-dungeons

[jovial swan]

These are all changes I feel benefit all levels of play.

And also a cast iron skillet as a weapon, just because it'd be hilarious.

[atomic whale]

and ranger must chop arrows 😄

What about cleric? they also should knee before him ?

[bleak dagger]

you forgot to mention that Rogues should be removed from the game.

[atomic whale]

then you are in wrong place, its discussion place xD go post on page if you want just post

[strong cloak]

YOU BACK okay I need some HELP you never realized to MY IDEAS

[edgy skiff]

What do you think about adding an item level system so if you go in grey/white/green stuff you won't meet blue+ gear and for the lobbies you can do like 0 - 100 lvl item / 100 - X lvl item, it might also improve the pvp in the high gear lobbies because they'll all be geared with the same rarity of items

[bleak dagger]

it's not like everyday there are 10 people suggestion the same or similar. And it is still a dumb suggestion; could as well remove gear entirely from the game.

[glacial moon]

Bigger dungeons, harder enemies, magical doors which opens up after all monsters are dead in that room, more traps in rooms, mini bosses before actually bosses, darker dungeons n cave systems (more light torches by default set to OFF) (Or at least try it out as a test) -
New system called karma (Good karma means helping players ect, bad karma means killing players ect) - Quest from vendors - Which also could give bad/good karma rewards ect.

[edgy skiff]

idk i was just thinking about this, i didn't read other suggestions but it might be a good option for the new players or if you want to get some loot in your stash

[vernal hedge]

good suggestions just have a couple issues:
Lockpicks, I don't think they should be fully unlimited but should have a % of breaking, if you make them unlimited use their value will just drop to worthless over time.
Bandages- do you mean recover 25% of you total unrecoverable health or would recover 25% of the bandage total heal(so if bandage heals 10, 10/4 equals 2.5 unrecoverable hp?), but work on unrecoverable hp
Ambush doesnt need any buff it does plenty of damage already, if anything change some of the other perks to make other build more viable such has the rogue poison build

[bleak dagger]

You should think this through. You are basically asking to remove gear and gear rarity from the game.

[jovial swan]

Bandages would only be where they recover 25% of the HP described on the item's description if used past recoverable health.
Ambush does 50% at the moment. I'm nerfing it to 30%.

[bleak dagger]

it's not enough nerfing. Using Ambush should kill the Rogue himself instantly.

[vernal hedge]

ahhhh, solid suggestions then.
had read that has buffing ambush by 30%
but instead of a nerf to it I would still rather first see a buff to their other perks and see how that could change perk selection, granted the 50% dmg I think wouldnt be ever a skip

[bleak dagger]

I have a great suggestion:
Creating a Rogue and clicking into a game should automatically delete the whole account and ban the player permanently. This way you can filter out the rats from the playerbase.

[granite plinth]

Instead of doing this, put them into a lobby with only fellow rogues and replace all normal skeletons with red crossbow skeletons

[bleak dagger]

I love it

[sinful pike]

hopefully this will be added this patch

[finite burrow]

nothing still being done about the ad's in trade channel selling gold, NICE....not even a report button

[sinful pike]

you can mute them, there has been action on these accounts you have to understand that they create new accounts everyday to spam

[finite burrow]

seeing them isn't the issue getting them out of the game and out of the economoy is the problem

[granite plinth]

problem is, to my knowledge, people buying gold arent getting banned so its just giving cheaters an income and another reason to be scumbags

[finite burrow]

also it takes 5 days for them to be able to type again in the trade channel after they make a new account having somoene just moderate that shit with players able to right click and report those spamming ad's in the channels, and yea people buying gold should be banned too .

[granite plinth]

but if they make accounts daily, lets say 5, they will have a continunal supply of mule/trade spam accounts, and it must be profitable

[finite burrow]

of course but why not add simple features that would combat it better and punish players who buy the gold as well

[deep wave]

Set equipment restrictions for regular dungeons. You shouldn't be able to bring in anything higher than say blue equipment in.

[carmine saddle]

instead of trying to set equipment restrictions and cry cuz ur getting destroyed by ppl who played the game more then you.
Voip on baseline, Ppl stop shooting naked on sights ( for 0 gain ?) the option to somehow visually see traitors ( so if any1 acts friendly and then stabs you, ucan "report", like the blue/orange name in trade), so theres consequences to the action
Just the last day ive tried to solo lvl cleric in crypts, i get killed on sight by ( surprise all rangers), 0 gain 0 threat, some ppl are friendly, but rangers always shoot on sight

[brisk pebble]

petition for shaking fist ingame emote

[wispy dagger]

Right? And where are they getting the gold?

[finite burrow]

who knows, whether its cheating or collectively farming together as an organization

[bleak dagger]

There are obviously people selling it to them.

[wispy dagger]

Dang I can make money? Sign me up

[merry kestrel]

Fighter perks and skills are in a bad place, they're uninteresting and unused - there's a reason you only see fighters rocking shield and sword and using second wind and sprint 24/7. However, they're just the strongest skills fighters have. I propose that some perks and many skills need revised in order for fighter to enjoy more versatility in their choices.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487150/fighter-perk-revision

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487153/fighter-skill-revision

[raw ether]

They should make big updates and stop with so many hotfixes, what is the reaso to do it now and delay hours in it? Make a pbe or change something cuz this is too much

[celest thunder]

They’re in early early access, first month or so is going to be heavily focused on bug fixes and optimizations, responding to major game balance issues etc.

I’m positive they’re simultaneously working on new content and just aren’t ready to drop it yet.

[raw ether]

like 5,30 hours this "hotfix" thats the thing i hate, im casual player atm, and always i can play w a friend its like 5 hours of hotfix so we cant play that day

[thorn sleet]

Will you cut off your hands so these dumb suggestions stop getting typed up.

[strong cloak]

PLZ NERF BARD!!!! You can DO IT! You can??

[vernal hedge]

yah I wish they did it like tarkov and gradually shut servers down for updating but keeping updated servers up so that the game doesn't really stop(or for a smaller ammount of time)

[granite plinth]

honestly, i get they have to fix shit. but do they really need to do it in the middle of the day, like 3 times a week. and now basically 6 hours ?

[vernal hedge]

middle of the day in eu-na, it's currently 00:20 in korea so im fairly certain they would also like for this to be done already

[wooden seal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487511/after-match-damage-report

[teal torrent]

Guys, I need help to push this suggestion, it is higly important and I believe everybody will agree with it!

Let us feed the bones we get as drop from skeletons to Otto before the match start !

[bleak dagger]

See equipment of teammates in the Lobby:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487729/see-equipment-of-teammates-in-the-lobby

[fallow nacelle]

don't you think moving items in the same inventory or between inventories is a bit clunky? swapping them by dragging and dropping would improve it:
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488243/swap-items-between-inventories

[versed nebula]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/486581/remove-bard Here is my suggestion

[pastel arrow]

you can already. go to the gathering hall doesnt madder what server and right click on there name

[tired pecan]

It's early access and there's a lot of changes happening. Even if things in game aren't changing much, the server side might. For example, they mentioned DDoS protection specifically. Not to mention the exponential growth of the game currently. That creates growing pains.

I imagine once the game is in a much better place and/or released then maintence will be much more streamlined/infrequent.

[oblique pivot]

it's EA. constant patches is literally best case scenario

[granite plinth]

Im going to get flak for this but holy hell am i tired of the 'its early access' excuse. Yea no shit theres gonna be some growing pains, but the moment you start selling your product it should be held to a higher standard and people should be able to critizise it.

[oblique pivot]

that's just an incorrect understanding of game development and what EA is

and of course people should criticize. but it has a standard of EA, not higher, cause it's EA

[real trellis]

The game is way less buggy for me than it was in the playtests, I have not yet lost my earnings from a run due to a black screen error, this used to happen 2x daily during playtests, I'd say the game is much more polished but obviously has a long way to go

[versed nebula]

Here is my suggestion : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/486581/remove-bard#commentsDiv

[silk ridge]

I've made a suggestion regarding a recent change to the game that I find a bit questionable. Give it a vote and post a comment if you feel the same way fellow holders
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488139/after-using-a-utility-item-you-will-automatically-grab-the-utility-item-in-the-n

[wooden seal]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487511/after-match-damage-report

[gilded aspen]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487024/auction-house
The Auction house would be a way to passively sell items and provide a much more convenient method of trading items while both online and offline. An item put up for auction in the auction house is locked away from the seller. Auctions can have a bid price, and a buyout price. The buyout is set by the seller. To auction an item costs the same as the trading fee 15g and does the trade automatically (Seller pays the auction fee only and no fee on the buyer, the fee is not refunded if the item does not sell). The Bidders can throw as much gold at the bid as they can afford and locks that gold from being used elsewhere until another buyer bids higher and the funds are sent back to the bidder. The auction house can be categorized by rarity/properties etc... similar to the trade chat, but has a defined list with current bid prices, bid time left, and the buyout price.

I've seen a similar system to this in other platforms and believe this could work especially well here.

[gilded temple]

I think they shuld make Wiz invizability only for wiz not for a team to prevent Inviz barb masacre 😄

[solar falcon]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/487890/stealing-the-portal-scrolls

Disable a portal to collect a scroll fragment, once a game, collect quite a few of them ~7-10 to pay alchemist or fortune teller a ton of gold to craft a mobile escape portal scroll.
Players could use these as valuable trade pieces both fragments and complete scrolls so keys aren’t the only items used as trade costs.

[muted nova]

that's stupid

[silk arch]

Rogue main here and it definitely needs a nerf. It's obvious that rogue is the most versatile and overpowered class in the game, need to reduce its dmg to maybe 40-50% current value, and reduce invisibility to 5 seconds max OR a waaaay longer cd.

[gentle rapids]

You misspelled ranger twice

[spark crest]

i love ppl keep on asking to nerf sth that killed them, pathetic

[gentle rapids]

Go play Mario kart

[spark crest]

nerf turtle shell, its not fair that getting hit by that red thing. right kiddo

[gentle rapids]

Nerf daedalus stormbow too easy to kill destroyer

[gleaming rivet]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488265/gear-score

[gentle rapids]

Open chest spell…

[bleak dagger]

stop this already. It's just so dump.

[granite plinth]

its crazy to me that this isnt an option and is just forced on everyone

[bleak dagger]

yeah it apprears they didn't think that one through. I have no idea what they were on about that.