suggestion-discussion

[compact lagoon]

We need a demo version of the game. I want my friend to buy the game too and play with me, but he doesn't want to spend money, I want him to feel how cool it is to play DaD!!! The demo version can be limited in time to 1-2 hours, in general it would be great.

[swift cloak]

I haven't seen anything on this, whats the word on containers for stuff like potions?

[bold willow]

add a duo map

[mossy burrow]

Wipe with season 1 bro, the gold pile abusers will clearly have an advantage over the rest of the community, and you know who they are. Streamers...

Being basically gifted streamer kits

Or gold keys

Unfair advantage compared to the rest of the community

[fringe ice]

Current mob agro is not great, people just walk straight past goblins and such with no attention from anything.

[jovial swan]

Yep, I'm 100% convinced Barb needs a rework to get rid of the cheese.

[half cobalt]

If you don't have a wipe with the fresh season, what is the point? Wipe EVERYTHING for a new season. Stash, progress, all of it.

[glacial sphinx]

game just opened like 4 days ago, wiping everything now is just gnna piss off 70% of the players.

[jovial swan]

So I posted some ideas on a thread prior, but I've thought of even better ideas to really make Barb a lot fairer to play against while keeping them fun to play as.

The following are my reworks:

[Axe Specialization]

Increases your attack speed by 10% when using an axe weapon.

[Berserker]

Using your fists grants a 30% increase in attack speed and 10% increase in attack power.

[Crush]

Grants the ability to destroy unreinforced doors and sturdy containers in one hit with two-handed weapons. Also grants penetration power to your attacks, allowing you to continue an attack uninterrupted when hitting containers, pots or vases.

[Iron Will]

Increases magic resistance by 50.
Increases projectile resistance by 25.

[Morale Boost]

Increases attack speed by 20% for 15 seconds after an enemy is killed.

[Savage]

Increases attack speed by 15% when not wearing chest armor.

[Rage]

Increases damage by 5 and movement by 15% for the next 5 seconds.
Reduces damage resistance by 30% during this time.

For each hit you deal to an enemy while active, Rage will reset.

[Savage Roar]

Frightens all enemies within 7.5m for 6 seconds and reduces their physical damage bonuses by 15%.

[dim yacht]

how do youmake a suggestion, cant see a pin on it?

[runic glade]

Better matchmaking would be great for newer players. It's been shown that games that can't bring in new players on a consistant basis die out very quickly. It's not fun to load into map after map just to continually get slaughtered by fully geared players when you're level 1/2/3 and just trying to learn the game.

[dim yacht]

ah, i imagine they are closed.
My suggestion is for bard buffs to be colour coded based on instrument, as per the class screen.

[ember vortex]

@runic glade They'll come out with more areas. It's Early Access so it's a lot of sweaties tbh. That'll change over time.

[shut axle]

it would like a map where they could only play one team of two because normal dungeons where there are 2vs3 and typically there is a cleric and a bard I can't do much

[ember vortex]

I think... there should be a channel for blue gem selling/trading. Realistically just a trade channel in general to the Discord.

[honest blade]

down the line i could see a soul heart merchant, take the hearts of people you kill and give them in for a small reward maybe like X amount for a openable jar or box with some goodies like potions lockpicks or what ever

[vagrant gazelle]

I think there should be a durability counter on equipment that gets decreased everytime you extract which can prevent the use of OP equipment and killing lobbies for lowbies late in the wipe. (perma stat debuff per X amount of extractions)

Also to prevent equipment from being traded infinitely ad nauseam - equipment taken from other dungeon delvers get a perma negative stat debuff straight away (everytime it gets taken from a dead body) which will help prevent over circulation of OP equipment and keep the market healthy and dungeons not full of over geared people - just reposting because I remembered theres a suggestion channel

[granite plinth]

There is no match making based on gear/level and no plan to implement it.

[peak lark]

@eager sable impose a buff limit so cleric bard combo isnt so busted.

[glacial sphinx]

Buffs are just too strong, there is already a suggestion about this on the site

[peak lark]

yeah im tired of cleric meta its just tough luck to run into a barb cleric bard or fighter cleric bard combo. if you dont have a cleric youre just worse off than everyone else.

[idle heart]

<@&1048757675934089300> Lockpicks currently are very scarce, and usually feel underwhelming when used. Some chests are not even worth opening, such as locked bronze ornate chests. A fix to this would be that lockpicks have a chance to be reused when the lockpicking QTE succeeds. The chance of the lockpicks surviving could be based on your resourcefulness, the chest grade (with rarer chests having a lower chance of lockpicks surviving), and how well timed the QTE was (as close to center of red as possible).

[sly oasis]

@eager sable create a chanell in discord for publish items to sell

[granite plinth]

@eager sable Implement a gear/level scoring system based on item averages. If a player is defeated by an opponent with a **significantly **higher level/gear score, they wouldn't lose equipped wearables (only items in inventory and consumables). This would encourage lower-level players to engage with higher-level ones as they would have little to lose and a lot to gain while slightly discouraging well-equipped players from targeting much weaker ones, as they can lose a lot but not gain too much if they're way below them. Additionally by giving weaker players the opportunity to keep a bit more gear they can participate in boss fights and D3/High roller as currently they're missing out on these sections of the game entirely as they're gear dependent for most people to survive.

I believe this solution maintains a single player pool and accessibility without compromising engagement intensity for hardcore players. Though more items will exist in the economy, they will be lower level non valuable ones for the most part, thus not being a real issue. I think this will help to sustain player numbers, reduce queue times, and extend the game's lifespan while ensuring an enjoyable experience for all proficiency tiers.

[inland wigeon]

this is one solid way to nerf barbarian lmao

[brisk valve]

@eager sable Right heres the actual solution for fully stacked players dominating the gearless:
Add a gearscore system (each piece of gear has a numbered rating, better the gear, the higher it's gearscore rating. Usually this is just a numerical value). Then if your total rating is too high you will only be able to queue for certain dungeons, or HR, or a combination of both. Meaning a full purple/blue meta 3stack team can only queue B3 or perhaps HR B2. So no more sweeping thru entire lobbies of starting players in the normal Crypt or Ruins.
We already have the idea that each dungeon gets progressively harder but contains better loot the further we go down. Why should players with B3 gear be running around B0/(B1/)B2?
This may seem overkill atm, but as the devs are planning to add plenty more dungeons I believe this will practically be necessary, or else the smurfing will be unbearable.

[jovial swan]

Exactly. It's more a sidegrade and rework to the current kit. Get rid of the parts people find unfun but introduce parts that expand more on Barb's ferocity and tenacity.

[inland wigeon]

please dont nerf my class thx

[jovial swan]

It's more sidegrade.

[inland wigeon]

erm. no. your suggestion is nerfing the dps potential of barb.

Barb isnt meant to do dps, honestly. its meant to be burst through heavy hits. only viable dps is horsemans, and that takes some sacrifice to make work

[jovial swan]

It's not nerfing the DPS potential, but rather the instant damage output. Think about how fast Barb can swing axes with Morale Boost/Savage and Axe Specialization, while also having one more perk slot.

[inland wigeon]

Do you play barb and how many playtests?

[jovial swan]

Barb is one of my three main classes and I've been in all but the first and last ones.

[inland wigeon]

I can tell you havent been in our chat discussing how this class is actually ran

Making barbarian swing fast will literally kill its ability to deal intense damage instead of periodic damage over tbe course of multiple swings, and a fighter will exploit that

[jovial swan]

Just punch the Fighter to death with the new stuff. It'll be a lot more fun.

[inland wigeon]

you have no idea what you’re on about with barb but a suggestion nontheless

punch a lot but get blocked by shield and die instantly to purple fighter- lots of fun

[jovial swan]

Y'know what, I've got even better ideas now that you given me some valuable info.

[inland wigeon]

barbs are outclassed by EVERY class that can self heal, and hit at a distance, dont suggest ruining our only kill potential pls

ironic since our only ‘heal’ potential requires us to hit a player… and it can only be used once per adventure

while fighter can second wind all day. totally balanced.

[jovial swan]

[Axe Specialization]

Increases the damage output and attack speed of axe weapons by 10%.

[Berserker]

Every 10% of damage dealt to you increases your damage output by 5% up to a maximum of 25%.

[Crush]

Grants the ability to destroy unreinforced doors and sturdy containers with two-handed weapons.
Also grants penetration power to your attacks, allowing you to continue an attack uninterrupted when hitting containers, pots or vases.

[Iron Will]

Increases the resistance to physical, magic and projectile attacks by 25.

[Morale Boost]

Upon killing an enemy, your attack speed is increased by 20% for the next 20 seconds.

[Rampage] (New Perk)

Increases your attack speed by 50% and damage by 25% when using your fists.
Fists also benefit from Crush.

[Nemesis] (Replaces Blood Exchange)

Increases your attack speed by 50% for the next 5 seconds.
Killing an enemy during this time restores your health by 1.5%.
Killing a player restores 10%.

Can be used three times in the match.

[Rage]

Increases damage by 5 and movement by 20% for the next 5 seconds.
Reduces damage resistance by 20%.

For each hit you deal to an enemy, Rage will reset and increase damage output by 1, up to a maximum of 5 additional damage.

[feral rock]

Do they read suggestion discussion?

[inland wigeon]

unironically yes

[feral rock]

My suggestion would be for selected mulitple things Trade would sort out items that has everything you selected, instead of showing all items from those categories. For example selected plate armor and strength should show you Plate Armors with Strength. Not every plate armor and every item with strength

[inland wigeon]

the axe specialization is great but i promise you, the speed will make people complain

[spare cliff]

please add discord roles for buying the hold the line edition of the game !

[abstract swallow]

I love seeing people come full circle to rediscover the wheel
the community shook hands on "stacking damage buffs as perks is bad, actually" almost half a year ago, and the new generation's already figured it out for themselves

[barren trench]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/471897/mage-is-way-to-bad-in-early-give-it-a-book-as-starter

[gritty gull]

Fps and ping counter

[carmine current]

you can buy a book for like 10 gold from merchant

[barren trench]

i know but it should be a starter

[tulip hill]

Do yall think hide and invis pots should allow the user to move at least a tiny bit to peak around comers? Nothing close to the 10 steps that rogue's stealth perk offers but just like a single step

[carmine current]

i mean i guess, but at the same time i think the magic staff is just terrible. if they were to add that to wizard, then I would like to get a free crystal ball on a warlock.

[barren trench]

ur spell as warlock are way too ez to hit and a bit faster

[red river]

Hey, i was just thinking of a new class, the samuraïs, focused on bleeding the targets more based on front affrontements rather than stealth ( like a rogue ) :)) ( imagine having Katanas in the game ! )

[red river]

I would love to hear what you think about it, since apparently ive had my double jump suggestion accepted, i am willing to give more suggestions !

[tulip hill]

not sure we need a dedicated class for it, once the skill trees come out though I wouldn't be apposed to samurai inspired options

[red river]

Yes ! And just like warriors, being able to parry with «light long bladed weapons » such as katanas would help it more being teamplayers rather than always trying to poke, stabbing enemies with rogues.

Having a similar agility / strength based playstyle but also making it that we can help our team in front line would feel so cool !

And, i mean, seriously, who wouldn’t want to loot a legendary KATANA !!

[regal heron]

When voip?

[real trellis]

Non weebs?

[red river]

Is your pfp a metal gear reference ? X)

[real trellis]

Yeah it's an Ai generated image using the MGS artist's art style as a prompt

[red river]

Amazing:) you are worthy

[tulip hill]

if the devs did add katanas to the game I could definitely see them being a quicker side grade to the longsword

[real trellis]

Only MGS I ever played all the way through was Ghost Babel, unfortunately due to circumstances I only had a Gameboy color for a very long time lol. Always thought the box art style was sick as hell though.

[red river]

Ooh, well my elder brother introduced me to the MGS series, ive played the 3rd, 4th and rising ( with Raiden, even tho it is totally different from the former ones, and its an unofficial post-patriot story )

[real trellis]

Rising is fun lol but let's get back on topic

[red river]

Yeah ! Stacking bleeds, deflecting projectiles, ( dashing ?! ), blocking parying melee attacks, weeb stuff 🥹

[jovial swan]

[Skeleton Cosmetic]

Nerf: The color of the skeleton cosmetic is now brighter in order to distinguish it from the environment.
Change: The head of the cosmetic now gains special paint on it to prevent it from blending in the environment completely when naked.

[red river]

Kept you waiting huh, got it

[jovial swan]

I'm gonna make an extensive list of weapons that need their movement speed reduction values changed.

[tulip hill]

oh, that reminds me! I've noticed there's not as many people throwing away their starter armor nowadays. did they change something to actually adress that or is it just not as popular of a strat

[jovial swan]

[Swords]

Arming Sword: -20 -> -17
Falchion: -25 -> -30
Longsword: -40 -> -35
Viking Sword: -20 -> -17
Zweihander: -50 -> -42

[Maces]

Flanged Mace: -25 -> -32
Quarterstaff: -35 -> -12
Torch: -10 -> -5
War Maul: -55 -> -50

[Daggers]

Castillon Dagger: -10 -> -7
Kris Dagger: -10 -> -7
Rondel Dagger: -10 -> -9
**Stiletto Dagger: **-10 -> -9

[Polearms]

Spear: -40 -> -45

[Axes]

Battle Axe: -45 -> -38
Felling Axe: -40 -> -32
Hatchet: -25 -> -12
Horseman's Axe: -30 -> -18

[String]

Longbow: -50 -> -30
Recurve Bow: -40 -> -25
Survival Bow: -30 -> -20
Crossbow: -50 -> -40
Hand Crossbow: -18 -> -12
Windlass Crossbow: -60 -> -50

[Magical]

Crystal Ball: -25 -> -18
Crystal Sword: -30 -> -22
Spellbook: -10 -> -15

[Instruments]

Drum: -20 -> -8 (only when preparing to throw it)

This would address my key issues with the weapons that are either too heavy (ex. Longbow), too light (ex. Spellbook) or feel like they shouldn't reduce mobility that much due to how they are held (ex. Quarterstaff). This would probably better balance the game, too, and give people more incentive to using certain weapons they likely wouldn't have otherwise thought of using.

[meager sapphire]

ran into 2 groups of trios teamed up in high roller, is that bannable or not?

[mortal cloud]

Can we have a friends list.

[wheat delta]

YOU SHOULD MAKE IS SO WE CAN INVITE CHANNEL FROM OTHER DISCORD LIKE IT USED TO BE

[cyan sapphire]

Discord Suggestion: Add a text-based LFG channel as well as the ability to make temp. voice channels.

[ashen badge]

Hoping they add a specific Duo Option.
3 Is a Crowd, but sometimes you want to play with a friend instead of solo

[lament bone]

would be great if they added one extra character slot, currently there's 7 slots but 8 classes to choose from 😦

[lament bone]

great suggestion

[coarse night]

Please please give us a duo map or be able to duo

[gaunt cargo]

HR lobbies take 5 mins even with the reduced entrance fee. shit will be dead when it's back to 100

[lament bone]

another great suggestion

[sleek spindle]

resting system :

it is too slow for the match time if i want to rest and heal for 60 hp i have to wait for a minute it should heal for a 1.5 hp a second or at least 1.25 hp.

have fun in dungeons.

[terse pier]

I agree the resting takes far too long. If they were to improve the speed you regain the grey health maybe they could make the action of sitting/standing up a bit slower to make it even riskier when enemies are around

[jovial swan]

You can just use potions. Helps speed the recovery process.

[terse pier]

Yes there are many alternate healing methods but it doesn't change the fact that the resting mechanic simply takes too long

[quiet cliff]

How about gear score lobby's?

[terse pier]

gear score matchmaking is gonna need to be a thing as people get more geared imo

[jovial swan]

They need to reduce slowdown stacking.

[terse pier]

Oh yeah agreed, makes those ads that slow you down even more lethal

[quiet cliff]

I agree I see party's fully geared with blue gear and some purple. If we get lobby's with gear score they can duke it out with other fully geared party's

[terse pier]

Yeah the fact that I can get matched against a 3 stack of level 15+ chads in greens/blues as a level 1 fresh char is pretty mind blowing to me

[covert merlin]

we have the circle to avoid rats people are camping around the Minds waiting for someone to mine and then they literally will team up to kill you and then they kill each other for the rest don't know if there's a way to fix that but I have gone in three times I have had decent Gear and then I get killed because I either can't hear them because of the pig sound or I get jumped by a dude who's just been staring at me potentially for the entire time

I did it in the solo dungeon

[terse pier]

that is cringe af but idk how they could address that, maybe spread ore spawns out a bit more across the maps?

[coral belfry]

Is there a suggestion for a quiver to be added for equiptment yet? tired of arrows taking up a 3x2 or 3x3

[terse pier]

apparently a quiver is coming?

[coral belfry]

thank god

[terse pier]

this could be a fun set of changes tbh, though it might make the game a bit too fast? /shrug

[coral belfry]

will ore be coming to ruins at any point?

[covert merlin]

so why cannot the Barbarian used around shield with the Viking sword he's like the most Viking person of the all

[terse pier]

+1

[covert merlin]

what is the plus one mean

[granite plinth]

I asked terrance recently and he said "Probably not." I assume because it will split the playerbase and increase queue times.

[quiet cliff]

I am glad its on their agenda somewhere in the future.

[quiet cliff]

He prob agrees with the statement

[covert merlin]

ok

[terse pier]

+1

[quiet cliff]

[terse pier]

That's a shame, it do be a pain point atm

[coral belfry]

Add ore to the ruins map please

[terse pier]

It's really weird there's no ore there

[coral belfry]

how do i make a suggestion lol

[granite plinth]

Agreed. I think the playerbase will really suffer if nothing is done. Which will increase queue times, thus driving off more players and starting a viscous cycle we can observe from previous games.

[silent oyster]

so i dont know how to add suggestions but if anyones interested, i would like to see an "enchanter", as a tab or merchant service, where one could switch item enchantments for a fee and at the cost of the sacrifice item. so if i had a green ( 1 enchant ) badger pendant with a damage buff and a green Heavy Boots with a +2 agility buff, you could sacrifice the boots and replace the damage buff on the badger pendant with the agility buff from the boots so my badger pendant would now give me the +2 agility buff

[lethal light]

seems it would increase the selling price of rolls in wrong gear

[silent oyster]

i would think the enchantments on gear would already affect the selling price? surely a pair of boots with an agility buff is worth more to a rogue than the same boots but with a knowledge buff

[lethal light]

No mean the boots with knowledge would sell for more since you could transfer the knowledge to a pendant or ring or something

[silent oyster]

sacrificing the boots but yes

[lethal light]

Well at that point it doesn’t matter, if your rich enough and have enough gear to run the enchanter losing some boots is no big deal

I like it, maybe an added function to the person who sells luck potions

[silent oyster]

sounds great, the fortune teller is kinda useless atm

[silent oyster]

but in your worries for a return of investment on whatever pendant you make from the boots you would need to sell it for enough to cover the value of the boots, the pendant itself, and the fee for the enchanter ( im thinking 50 or 100 gold ) which i cant speak for everyone but a pendant with +2 knowledge isnt worth that much to me, but it could be useful for turning those junk/unequippable items into something that can give you a small edge if you have the money to spare

[jovial swan]

[Shrine of Return]

A shrine that allows you to return one item back to your stash while in the match, not including any items that you have managed to procure in the match.

This shrine takes 60 seconds to activate, and upon doing so will allow you to return the item of choice back to your stash.

This does come at a cost, however, as you will have to either:
-Sacrifice an item of equivalent value or higher
-Reduce your maximum health by 50% for the remainder of the match

[still sky]

how about we fix the god damn shields to actually block and not allow mobs to clip through...KKTYVM !!!

Or take them completely out of the damn game

[jovial swan]

I mean...they should really take notes from RE4 Remake and the new Zelda games and just add a conventional shield parry that causes enemies to recoil for a moment and make an opening.

[tulip hill]

unironiclly you either have bad ping or are just blocking wrong

[jovial swan]

Had another idea pop into my head.

[ebon idol]

Part of the games charm is that the gameplay is slow and the skill gaps are easy to overcome. If you add many mechanics like shield parries or something like that, it can quickly become too frustrating for newer players

Blocking right now is already frustrating to play against and you need to get out some tricks to get past the damn turtle players. Especially if your weapon has a very predictable pattern (all overhead)

[trail skiff]

I miss my old Ranger in playtest 1 Cant kill Troll with starting bow unless i have 40 arrows thats exspensive

[terse pier]

I think they really need to disable the forced-death when the zone is closed

[trail skiff]

not to mention only class that has no bag space due to arrows

[tulip venture]

I don’t think the devs want anyone but the very best to be killing bosses with starter gear

[potent walrus]

rangers really need to spawn with an extra 30 arrows ontop of what they have, or arrows shouldbe 1 gold per stack, ur paying high roller everytime u play

[trail skiff]

rogues can beat it and locks at lvl 1 with ease or least make arrows free

[tulip venture]

Maybe a very good rogue but I suck and haven’t even gotten him half dead

[trail skiff]

just hold a and pace urself just witch out for his right arms attack

i mean his left arm empty hand

[tulip venture]

What was trolls health again ?I just tried to kill cockatrice and that thing has 1100 for some reason

[jovial swan]

You know, it would be nice if Ranger:
-Had Quickshot, Forceful Shot and Penetrating Shot removed
-Had Field Rations nerfed to 2 charges
-Had Quick Fire be given a lessened cooldown
-Had Multishot use 3 tightly spread arrows that deal 75% damage each if fired together
-Had True Shot be given the effects of Forceful Shot and Penetrating Shot added to it
-Have two new arrow skills that allow him to burn or slow enemies with fire OR ice arrows
-Have a new skill that lets him reload crossbows significantly faster
-Have a new skill that allows him to create arrows from the surrounding area, unless he has 10 arrows

That way Field Rations and Quickshot don't have to be the damn meta for the character.

[granite plinth]

so you're saying just remove ranger 😆

[jovial swan]

I'm saying give Ranger better designed abilities.

The last thing this game needs are stale, optimal builds everyone and their mother will run. All abilities should be an option, not a necessity.

[granite plinth]

field rations isnt even close to the meta which shows how much you know about ranger

[tulip venture]

This sounds like a ranger subclass

[tulip venture]

Yeah and survivability is like rangers whole thing

[shell fjord]

just cause you play that way, does not mean other play like that too

[granite plinth]

basically every ranger runs triple shot, quick shot or multi shot you're trolling if you're not lol

[terse pier]

They should change the trap room in the dungeon, no one ever wants to go there and it's basically a waste of map space

Yeah ranger builds are very feast or famine with little variety in effective builds it seems like

[granite plinth]

I agree rangers could use some changes but nerfing field rations isn't it

[modest sky]

Why? I've looted it plenty of times

[jovial swan]

I'd compensate Field Rations by giving it like, 35% heal per use or something. Maybe 40%.

[terse pier]

Field rations are fine imo, if anything make it into a HoT

[hushed helm]

Give the ability to feint when attacking with Martial Weapons, and allow you to cancel an attack by BLOCKING! 🤣

[terse pier]

Combined with the zone closing in with outher players abound I just find it frustrating

[modest sky]

That's... The whole premise of this game...

[pine orchid]

Bard really needs auto swapping of instruments when changing spells, having to change to both the spell and instrument feels very clunky

[errant sequoia]

does anyone know when or if we are getting a friends section in game so we dont have to search up people everytime?

[abstract swallow]

these loot buffs have CRUSHED the market for green and below items, even bundled
I feel bad for new players trying to build a stash for HR now, this was a big mistake, their only option is farming GC minibosses now

[jovial swan]

In all honesty, a lot of the kits of the characters need some genuine reworks. The current emphasis on making the most optimal builds is not fun and will likely stifle the game's appeal in the long run.

[granite plinth]

the stash isnt big enough to buff loot im already full stash with like 5k gold on 2 classes lol

[turbid gyro]

Executioner hood for Barbarian

[jovial swan]

I'd rather all kits be reworked so that there can be more build diversity. That means:
-Balancing out some of the Perks and Skills that are more problematic and centralizing and making them options, not necessities
-Removing some of the Perks and Skills that do not need to be there and can create clearly degenerative gameplay styles
-Adding new Perks and Skills that offer a unique ability that makes them viable options

[pastel hatch]

Imagine if you will: A map twice or thrice the size with two different circles that might or might not intersect. Maybe a slightly longer timer too. Thoughts on this?

[lime dew]

There should be an option to report the RMT' ers or maybe like an assignment to players to moderate the trade chat and ban RMT' ers. They are advertising their sites in game in the trade chats. The sooner we can get rid of them the less they spread and advertise to new players.

[tribal jackal]

True, but I think "suspicious" trades get autoreported. Maybe they want to ban the people who are willing to buy that shit (breaking the rules) too.

[lime dew]

İts good that the suspicious trades get reported. My idea is to report people advertising these sites

I see them all the time even in the gathering hall

[tribal jackal]

True, but let's be honest. If there's a loser who needs that boost, just don't give a fuck. I can fully understand that they want to fix the core game first before targeting such annoying bullshit

[tulip hill]

actually yes please

[steady tapir]

Please add bard attire to the stores

[fierce ibex]

Please add friend list and other social features like chat on lobby (not lobby in the match)

[gaunt cargo]

fix mobs not resetting and immediately re-aggroing on invis players

[lime dew]

This will also cut down on cheaters and money farmers as they wont be able to sell as much, so i believe it is an urgent matter.

[terse pier]

fax

[tribal jackal]

I think it's better to collect data about how those cheats work and how farmers do their job. Because if you learn from that you can prevent it in the future. And then you ban all the people involved.

[lime dew]

Thats true.

[leaden marten]

Have they ever mentioned what they're considering to happen at lvl 20? Skill tree opens?

[proven lion]

I feel like crystal swords have no use case in this game, its always better to take a crystal ball if you want a melee weapon in hand, or a book because the cast is faster and it has a better animation that doesn't hit ceilings.

I think they should change the cast animation on the sword to be a palm thrust with the off hand to stop it from hitting things, and perhaps give it a spell casting damage modifier that is lower than the others. Make that bad boy useable.

[dense sand]

green items will always nosedive in price, no matter the scaling of loot drops

[unique locust]

i feel like there's way to many mobs in the deeper it kind of crazy, depending on spawn your boned 9/10

[abstract swallow]

yeah, especially with no item sinks/penalty to recycling gear

[dense sand]

also because inferno has to drop baseline greens+ in normal or its not worth going

[hardy sentinel]

Does anyone feel like Goblin High Roller isn't worth it? I legit make about the same after the entry fee in regular caves.. but with obv way more risk

[dense sand]

use loot luck potion with HR

[hardy sentinel]

feel like i shouldnt "have" to use a luck potion, the drops should just be a better on average.

[dense sand]

they are better on average, but loot luck makes it way more profitable

[hardy sentinel]

50 gold entry fee, making 200g on trinkets, thats 150g profit. Which is the high end of a normal goblin run. Doesn't feel worth to me, ill give it a whirl.

[proven lion]

Part of the issue with goblin HR is that everyone is trying to run it in low gear. The idea of HR is you go in kitted, and therefore everyone does, and you get stuff off the other people. But no one is playing it that way, meaning that you're stuck with whatever loot is on the map

[vivid warren]

what counter play for 95% physic dmg reduction ?? asap

[dense sand]

wait for the buff to drop and magic damage

[vivid warren]

what if we dont have mag dmg ? do we just give them the loot?

[dense sand]

wait for the buff to drop, its not a long up time and has a cooldown lol also armor pen is your friend

[vivid warren]

he is 95% without the buff tho

[dense sand]

wrong

[vivid warren]

ur wrong man

[bold jackal]

97.5 dmg reductions is possible theres no cap

[dense sand]

hes talking about fighter running the buff

[vivid warren]

not buff its possible without it

[bold jackal]

hes literally not he just told you he isnt

[dense sand]

this dude isn't playing HR against fighters in legendary gear, he doesn't know how to kill someone with high phys damage reduc, he aint running HRs in good gear ill tell you rn

[vivid warren]

i do

[dense sand]

armor pen, and magic damage

[vivid warren]

so i have get a full pen set to get him ye?

[dense sand]

if you got a cleric, have him run Judgement if you don't have any magic damage

[dense sand]

a lot of stuff is possible, doesn't mean its happening constantly

[vivid warren]

yea but balance should come asap

[bold jackal]

abosulutely needs to have a hard cap on dmg reduction if you dont think so you're braindead

[vivid warren]

cause everyone knows about that fighter build + @bold jackal

[dense sand]

"abosulutely"

[vivid warren]

bro tanked 20+ hits like nothing

[dense sand]

the fighter meme build you are talking about is using the buff, just play better lol most fighters arent anywhere near 95% phys reduc all the time

[vivid warren]

which buff u mean

[dense sand]

fun fact: you can stack healing potions of different raritys

[proven lion]

Why are you so weirdly angry and combative lol. Dude asks a question and you start making all the assumptions and side stepping questions and shit. Just chill.

[vivid warren]

prolly he lost his loot dont mind it

[dense sand]

🥲 ❤️

[bold jackal]

guys a weirdo no point in explaining to him hes too far gone

[dense sand]

seems like you are the one dying to shite fighters LOL get some magic in your squad noob ❤️

[vestal anvil]

1s w1pe n 6 hours

[proven lion]

dudes roleplaying a barb in chat

[vivid warren]

we suggesting a balance nothing more

in what condition facing someone with 95% phyisc reducation is skill issue

[dense sand]

composition issue

[wicked grotto]

I have a serious suggestion but I'm not going to waste my breath until I know somebody is actually going to apply the action

[indigo hill]

What is it?

[wicked grotto]

They need to take a consensus of series graphic cards every one has...because I notice the same repeat problems and even my buddy has it with his card...that would be huge to pinpoint what's going on

[sleek cosmos]

shards take 25/50/100/200 escapes to earn?
are the devs smoking CRACK?
league of legends isnt even this bad. this is some Nexxon-tier skinner box garbage. like straight outta maplestory 10% scrolls tier trash. there was probably an internal debate on whether or not players should be able to right click gear into their inventory or if that should be a paid feature too.

[wicked grotto]

My card works fine but I notice tons of people describing the same problems my buddy have I'm suspicious that it's on lower end gpus like the cheaper amd cards

[jovial swan]

Can I be honest? I think the current Stash is actually not good for the game. Basically would be better if the Stash was overhauled and Gold became a non-factor to the space of the stash.

[wicked grotto]

Additional loot pages will be available for buying in the future I'd suppose in bundles like path of exile does

[rugged eagle]

If you can make it to LR hell the luck potion boosts the treasure pile there massively

Caves HR does not seem that worth with it you only want to use it when the loot is capable of dropping atleast legendaries otherwise it doesn't make that big of an impact

[sleek cosmos]

(P2W)lootpages dont have value unless they are account wide. but even so, loot pages should be purchasable with gold, not any sort of alternate currency

[icy panther]

A few criticisms:

1. Some weapons will never be used simply due to their stats or movesets being dogwater, or because other weapons can literally put you in place and still be too effective
2. Zweihanders are much more imbalanced than spears
3. Quarterstaff would dominate the barbarian base
4. Spellbook will forever be the best catalyst until it's slower than another one

[jovial swan]

I think that additional loot pages would only work if and only if they cost a shit ton of the Gold you have.

[wicked grotto]

Incorrect loot pages would only be account bound...using cash to buy them would help keep the lights on...as per servers running and paying employees which in life cost real $$$

[proven lion]

lol more loot pages breaks the power creep of the game instantly

[jovial swan]

Counterpoint: Quarterstaff is fun when it's not slow.

But the others I can agree.

[proven lion]

the game is about the struggle of gaining and losing gear, you're not supposed to have a full on armory so you can go kitted every round

[wicked grotto]

Poe has them everyone I know has purchased at least 1 loot bundles stash tab of what ever type

[proven lion]

POE isnt this game. Its not relevant

[icy panther]

True, but a barbarian that can abuse the movespeed with a few perks to really beef up the damage + Achillies strike will just completely dominate almost every fight.

[wicked grotto]

The tabs are exactly the same

[proven lion]

diablo has horses, we need horses

[shadow barn]

Has there been any mention of adding a Friend List feature to the game?

[sleek cosmos]

pretty sure the reason FL isnt in the game is the same reason why VC isnt in the game

[wicked grotto]

They're aware of all the adds that the game needs...just enjoy for now...they will get to it....I'm sure they're busy tackling problems of all sorts

[shadow barn]

[fair gyro]

slightly lighter weapons would be awesome, something to reduce the meta of sheathing weapons and running away, IRL you could sprint just about as effectively in a straight line holding whatever

it would make more sense if you were slower holding a swing, but that would maybe be imbalanced

I kind of wish the game had it were you hold a swing by holding the button and then let go to strike

[patent axle]

FIX THE PURCHASING OF REDSTONES 😭

[icy panther]

Holding a swing would be fine if swings were more dedicated, but as it stands right now holding a swing is just "who pushes who first"

In general I think a good fundamental system change would just be more attack dedication across the board, along with a lot of sweeping movement penalty alleviations similar to what Vulgun is thinking

[sleek cosmos]

I think this game is too premature. it has a fantastic base with great PVP and the PVE is about where it needs to be. i think the main drawback is the lack of progress. I will kill tons of people and make thousands of gold until i hit lvl 15 and im basically done. all i can do is more challenging content but i dont have any incentive beyond climbing a leaderboard or making a dream lineup for gear.

in the long-term it would be nice to have more perma upgrades that can be bought with gold. to give me something to work towards that cant be lost all in one go... like a full set of purples. Tarkov has a hideout and reputation system that progressively unlocks store stock, adding variety to raid options.

but DaD can take a different approach. maybe shared guild halls that are with construction that provide stash tabs. shared guild tabs so that friends can set up each other without the burn of trade fees. contracts from the adventurer guild to earn more gold for killing x amount of skeletons or bringing back mimic tongues, etc

[jovial swan]

[Vulgun's Reworked Stash]

The Stash is now reworked to make more sense in a logical gameplay sense. Though the main function of the stash is unchanged, there are now new mechanics that significantly improve player experience.

[Gold and Silver]
In order to remove the excess amount of space that will inevitably be taken up, Gold and Silver can no longer be put in the Stash. Instead, the players now have a special inventory relegated to their wealth.

[Additional Space]
Additional space is a must for those trying to trek out into the dungeons. After all, you need all the items you can get. However, this comes at a great cost, as you will need to spend 200 Silver in order to unlock a 2x12 row of a new stash.

Additionally, this space is limited to one additional full stash.

[Item Sorting]
Ever want to just swap the positions of your items?
What about rotate their orientation?
Maybe you want to have them automatically sorted based on priority?

Well fret no more; all of these would come with the reworked Stash, allowing the player to have more control in optimizing the space within their stashes to their heart's desire.

[The Treasury]

The Treasury is the place you want to go to store all of your collected wealth. The Treasury allows the player to house a starting maximum of 2500 Gold and 500 Silver through their own individual slots.

Just like the Stash, you can expand your Treasury by paying 500 Gold or 100 Silver for expanded holding rows.

The ending maximum of Gold is 5000 and Silver is 1000.

[ashen badge]

true

[fair gyro]

Maybe spend some gold to bribe the traders guild and have 1/3rd the trading fee for all trades you take part in

[granite plinth]

Maby idk if a decent suggestion is crafting. Were able to get like maggots , and cloth and tounges etc. maby we can use it to craft something

[jovial swan]

I thought about this how the developers would probably think about it by adding something that would greatly balance out how the stash would work. People want additional space so much, but I think there should be a price to pay for that space by making players use Silver to expand their stashes.

Silver was chosen because of its otherwise relative non-function at the moment, so this use would give it significantly greater purpose until more can be given to it.

Likewise, the Treasury was added because of the fact that Gold and Silver take up too much space. Instead, why not just expand the role of the Treasurer and allow him to hold onto your coin? And if you want more, you better pay him.

[wicked grotto]

Additional stash tabs will be sold in the store for real money 💰....Ironmace needs to make money and the store is the incentives to build their brand and keep the lights on...so get ready stash tabs will be for sale in the store eventually 😎

[jovial swan]

This game would die fast if we had stuff like that.

And I would be persistently asking for a refund if they did that.

[wicked grotto]

It would die faster if they didn't sell things in the store lol 😆 how do you think their going to pay for servers and workers ? They work for free ? Uhh no they need revenue

[vivid warren]

Add ALL CLASSES trade post or remake the utility one

[wicked grotto]

Path of exile is free you know how they make money ? Selling in game items mhm it keeps the lights on and pays employees and boosts their brand....man they don't teach kids anything anymore lol

[jovial swan]

People are paying 35 to 50 bucks for this game. That and the Redstone Shards are paying for this game, and it's more than likely we'll keep getting cosmetics rather than stash stuff.

[wicked grotto]

Yeah you paid for the game the game they created ...that doesn't pay for the servers lol

They have people to pay and lights to keep on where does that money come from ? Obama?

[vivid warren]

skins /races pays them

[wicked grotto]

Better yet that have legal problems and lawyers to pay they need all the money 💰 they can get

[unreal timber]

add more sub section trading posts because they are too crowded

[vivid warren]

not making the game pay 2 win just to make money look at WOW for example from 10 million active accs a month now barley gets 1 mill

[icy panther]

I think the long term goals of the game are the exact same long term goals of Tarkov, that being the fact that after you get Kappa or Crown level on all traders, it comes down to your interactions with other people in the matches you play. DaD will face the same type of issue when quests are implemented or you set your own goal of grabbing a Unique, afterwards you can't really feel like you can progress anymore.
Games with a heavy PvP element rely on the player-to-player interaction to keep replayability up moreso than a progressive quest system, which I can concede sounds like the cop-out of "try something new lol".

[wicked grotto]

Darker and Darker isn't pay to win but they need to sell skins and other accessories to boost your account which makes you happy then it helps them pay bills and funds ironmace as a whole it's a healthy transaction to keep the lights on

[vivid warren]

yeah not in game gold as u mentioned

thanks god you dont have the ability to become a Dev ❤️

stashing items = alot more gold

[wicked grotto]

Lol imagine buying additional stash tabs with in game gold lmaooooo how is ironmace going to make money ? By you handing them free gold lmao 🤣 bruh the store is there for a reason amd when the stash tabs show up account bound I'll be buying them

[icy panther]

I think your comparisons with PoE are textbook definition of false equivalency though

[wicked grotto]

The tabs are exactly the same as poe and Diablo and other games that have copied the Diablo style tabs

[icy panther]

Yeah but PoE is completely free with no content paywalled

When you buy something in PoE it's a 100% conscious decision that you support GGG by doing it and get nothing really out of it (outside a stashtab if you play a LOT in a league)

[wicked grotto]

Wrong you can buy different types of stash tabs and skins and others things chests and other things in the store but the game is free

[icy panther]

Cosmetics aren't content

[delicate lily]

Giving people the broker role in game where they can broker items on your behalf. Some of us don't wish to trade but we need the money. But also don't know market price. So for a % fee for selling the item total gold amount to the broker and the rest to the seller. It would allow gold to more freely flow in people pockets, Of course there should be a rep system so bad faith broker cannot scam money.

[wicked grotto]

No 👎 Game Content means any templates, modules, functions, features, images, audio data, video data, or other content that may be used by a Game Creator when creating a Game.

[static gazelle]

There needs to be way less slow effects, every mob should not slow you down for no reason, and the ranger have both the slow and the hunting trap requiring a skill check that failing does the same damage as the damage delt when getting trapped should not be thing, movement speed is already overpowered as is.

[wicked grotto]

God help me back to real estate class peace ✌️

[hoary dawn]

Trade post should be changed to where you list an item instead of spamming it hoping someone sees it in the sea of other texts. I hate selling things because it cuts into my playing time :/

[icy panther]

I think you're being obtuse on purpose to get reactions out of people and it's working

[vernal yarrow]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/471864/ultra-wide-screen-monitors-need-the-ability-to-move-team-icons-and-status-and-mi

[wicked grotto]

im displaying facts thats all im doing

my job is to be detail oriented lol or else im not going to sell any houses

[hoary dawn]

Cosmetics are not content, content = gameplay substance in the game

[wicked grotto]

No 👎 Game Content means any templates, modules, functions, features, images, audio data, video data, or other content that may be used by a Game Creator when creating a Game.

go to school kids stay in skooosks

[late dome]

Average gacha game player iq on full display

[hoary dawn]

With critical thinking like that, I'd recommend work towards a different profession, maybe plumber?

[wicked grotto]

im retired at a young age and will sell houses just to make some cash on the side for fun

[steep drift]

Nobody is gonna spend money on stash space after the fact they bought the game. Especially the 50$ version. Only reason it worked with tarkov is cause it was bundled into the most expensive version along with the only way to get access to all future dlcs

[sleek cosmos]

currency tab is paywall

[wicked grotto]

ill be buying stash tabs when they're in the store and so will many others as well as buying skins and other in game content

[steep drift]

Content is not skins or new character models those are assets. Content is new character classes weapons interactive objects ect

[sleek cosmos]

^

[wicked grotto]

No 👎 Game Content means any templates, modules, functions, features, images, audio data, video data, or other content that may be used by a Game Creator when creating a Game.

[steep drift]

Ok bud keep thinking that

[wicked grotto]

i will i live in the real world

[sleek cosmos]

technically acmecondor is correct but the spirit of kzaa's argument is that the content people want to largely consume follows his argument. we want weapons, classes, skills, spells, and other interactables

[steep drift]

You play rogue ur opinion is extremely irrelevant

[late dome]

[steep drift]

He is not correct lmao templates modules ect are used in the creation of content or assets he’s spouting random bullshit

Games include content they don’t use content to be created. Aka the game is the content not the stuff used to make it

[sleek cosmos]

you should at least make an attempt to understand what he's trying to say or else copnversation is worthless

[wicked grotto]

i figured stuff like this would be simple to understand content is anything in a game even emotes free or purchased anything in game is content

[steep drift]

The idea that skins are content have been created by the battle pass phenomenon and the last 6 or 7 years of devs making games for the purpose of milking them

[wicked grotto]

right because servers and workers are free and building your craft and name and building an empire all free lol bro stop why youre behind

[sleek cosmos]

i mean it's kinda relative to the game. Dota redoes balance of power every major patch, but the skins add variety to spell effects and icons while being a somewhat reasonable price for most skins

[steep drift]

I mean games where made for like 25 years before that just fine

[icy panther]

Well let me put it in a different way that makes my point a bit clearer:
In PoE, I can experience all the gameplay the game has to offer without paying a cent, there is no barrier to entry, no paywall, nothing. If I spent exactly $0 on PoE, I don't lose out on stuff that other people can experience, I just don't look good while doing it.
In DaD for my case, I paid $50 for an early access game that is under threat of a SLAPP suit and was told I have to either play for an absurdly large amount of time or spend an additional $10 to get both Bard and Warlock. I can't play nearly as much as the game requires of me to unlock that because:

1. I got a job
2. my extraction rate is only at like 60% for the few matches I play.
   In that regard, I have to pay the $10 to play a class, and most likely will have to continue to pay $10 for every 3/4 classes afterwards because of the reasons previously mentioned. I don't get the full gameplay experience despite the intial price, it's like day 1 DLC with SFxT.
   Now if the game was feature complete and bard/warlock did not exist until after the game was feature complete, I probably wouldnt've cared as much since I remember Mr. Terence in an interview with Pestily saying the game's monetization would be similar to Hunt:Showdown/Dead by Daylight (timestamp of 1:02:04 in that interview) and was completely fine with it.

@steep drift
@hoary dawn
He's using the technical definition over the colloquial definition

@sleek cosmos I played SSF primarily so the currency tab never really affected me before I gave up on SSF because I had no real reason to horde items that my classes never really used. But yeah currency tab is a game changer outside of SSF but you don't need it to experience everything up to Ubers

[proven lion]

This acmecondor guy has literally the worst ideas for the longevity and competitive nature of the game. All his arguments boil down to "Poe has it, they need money" I'm so glad that I know for a fact the devs are to smart to listen to someone like you lol.

[wicked grotto]

almost every game has a in game content store mhm its a reality

[proven lion]

Yep, they can add content, just not the shit ideas you have

[steep drift]

Cause he’s a 15 year old Fortnite kid and it’s all he knows

[steep drift]

Bro did you play any video game before 2020?

[wicked grotto]

diablo has stash tabs to buy and many other games

[proven lion]

Hell yeah, they have horses too, we need those?

[steep drift]

Your just naming company’s that want to milk there customers it’s expected from them that there games are shopping sims

[proven lion]

Should we also switch to a top down isometric view? Diablo and Poe have it?

Baldur's Gate has all the classes that dark and darker has. It's turn based with dialogue, we should add that to dnd too right?

[wicked grotto]

yeah because servers are free employees are free everything is free lol get real

[proven lion]

He'll ignore me now, because he realizes he's wrong

[steep drift]

The dark and darker team made multiple million usd$ on the day they released ea. that is how they pay for shit. By building a good product not build on selling shitty skins

[tulip venture]

Ok white name

[steep drift]

Big insult

[empty heart]

idk where to put this, but the math for hits is beyond off with half the attacks, 50% hp from a single cleric skill, 2 tap in full plate by barb, 2 hits will battle axe to rogue w/no armor plus sword strike no kill, who comes up with the math for this? not rainman

[wicked grotto]

lol white name Anon is correct he lives in a world without taxes and workers and servers and bills being a thing lol unreal these kids these days they think everything just stays on magically

[proven lion]

Notice how he ignores the obvious flaws in his arguments. He's just trolling guys, don't engage

[steep drift]

And just completely ignore what I said cause u can’t handle being wrong gtfo

[empty heart]

god mage 75% hp in one hit????????

[icy panther]

yeah items'll do that

[wicked grotto]

you think money grows on trees i answered it correctly

[proven lion]

Bro, just ignore him, he's purposely wasting your time

[wicked grotto]

yeah because Ironmace is exempt from paying for anything in his world lol its all free lol yup ignore the voice of reason

[proven lion]

Try harder 👍🏻

[hoary dawn]

If you're currently taking classes for real estate, you're not even working as a realtor right now anyways lol still not too late to switch careers before you fail

[wicked grotto]

im retired at a young age you will be working till you're 67+

[steep drift]

Dude ur 15 in ur moms house get real. The ammount of people in this discord alone that I have seen say shit like that is astronomical

[wicked grotto]

lol right....

[steep drift]

You got nothing to prove lmao ur anonymous on a discord you don’t get real life clout here lmao

[wicked grotto]

I wont show you anything you would get depressed....

[unique yacht]

Cringe dude

[wicked grotto]

cant wait to buy stash tabs

[signal mango]

absolutley yes. With Corrupted blow or whatever it is you can easily win a fight in one exchange of blows

[inland trout]

How does it even work

Also I’m not too sure how the soul collector works

[hoary dawn]

You're not retired yet, and I doubt you'd be making more than me with that level of critical thinking lol

[proven lion]

Engaging with @wicked grotto is exactly what he wants, he's just trolling

[wicked grotto]

no i tell everything like it is and i don't care if people like it or not at the end of the day i hold the line and ill be paying to do so by buying content they create

[proven lion]

Obvious troll

[inland trout]

Do you take that over soul collector?

[wicked grotto]

Maybe they will sell one in the in game store (content) then you can be your true form

[proven lion]

Damn you trying

PSA: if you feel like fighting a troll, hit up the goblin caves. Leave @wicked grotto to his miserable boring life where he has nothing better to do than start fake arguments in a games discord.

[supple cedar]

fix mobs not resetting and immediately re-aggroing on invis players

[proven lion]

Sincerely hope you find some meaning and purpose in your life bro. What you're doing right now ain't it.

Later guys, off to play some matches.

[abstract swallow]

man, bard really needs to be knowledge-gated like circle casters are
this shit is ridiculous lmao

[wicked grotto]

lol look in the mirror

[tepid olive]

Ruins spawns can be waaaay too close to eachother, has anybody else noticed that?

[stuck jackal]

Anyone else think they should keep the highroller goblin cave fee 50g? cause with the normal high roller maps there is hell so u get more for ur 100g but that's not true with goblin cave

[neon zodiac]

Make the Rubysilver Cap wearable by Bard

[hoary dawn]

I know, but I was using that sorry sap for entertainment to pass the time. He might as well be useful for something

[idle heart]

@eager sable Add item "Shipping" between characters; pay an upfront 60 gold fee, to transfer 5x5 slots of items from one of your characters to another, provided they both are part of the traders guild.

You can already transfer items between characters by trading items from character A to a friend who then trades to character B, which costs 60 gold total. Adding this feature would allow for solo's to transfer items without issue, while maintaining a gold tax for it.

[clever shuttle]

just put a quiver already pls i go in with ranger and im already full half inventory arrows and half heals is stiupid honstly

[icy panther]

Shared stash was originally planned, not sure about it now.

[craggy kayak]

Why can i still not store my extra arrows in my stash, makes no sense to punish me buying an arrow for 1 gold each and not be able to keep excess

[tepid olive]

or force characters that can use bows but don't start one into spending 30g

[hot magnet]

cleric nerf please !!!!!!

[jade sun]

The stack size for arrows should be higher as well

I end up wasting 6 slots of my inv from the very beginning

[inland surge]

Let portals spawn on bottom of goblin caves not only the top level (not talking about difficulty just elevation)

[lilac locust]

In my opinion this game is gonna have a big problem which worries me alot. At the most after a few weeks your inventory is basically flooded with gold that you don't even know what to do with it other similar games like tarkov there are lots of quests and hideout upgrades that always keep you in need of money and motivated to play and do stuff but for now there is no such thing about dark and darker . In playtests because the game would last only for about a week this issue was subtle but now that it is an early access I hope devs come up with an idea to make the game last for the next wipe even adding a high durability for armors and weapons might work (for instance a crystal ball breaks after 500-1000 times of casting spell) it keeps the market unflooded in the future cause raid after raid items are spawned and there is noway to remove them from the game even after death you are probably looted and the other player is gonna use or sell it which doesn't solve the matter . Again it's just an opinion which is based off of my concern about this beautiful game and might be even wrong thank you

[hot magnet]

Quest items are already in the game. The just didnt bring it with EA. Once season 1 starts, im pretty confident they are adding quests

[woven marsh]

There needs to be a duos option. It’s unbelievable that early access dropped without that considering the difference one player makes.

[hot magnet]

Isnt it nice going into ruins with your duo and you run across a trio fully geared with cleric and you get rolled. Revert spawn rates and make duo option and the game is 10x better

[rigid prawn]

i think currently we have a playerbase that would support duos, but as they add more maps this might be more or a problem. Duos def feels like your playing as solo rats x2 or like a neutered trio. Best way ive been able to make it work is by running a ranger with traps and taking out 1 of the 3 right off the bat to make it an even fight but its not a surefire success for sure

[devout cypress]

Barbarians should have some way to interact with resting. Their whole thing is having a bunch of hp, and raging through wounds. Having to sit down for 2 minutes to slowly heal your hp back sucks. Maybe a perk to heal faster or something

[upper sonnet]

tbh I fought 2v3 duos with a buddy at the end of last PT and it didn't seem to be that much of an issue

Most 3 mans have a support like Bard or Cleric anyway so you just focus on taking them out and then it's a 2v2 on even ground

2v3 is miles apart easier than 1v3 the only reason you'd want a duo mode is if you're playing Solo really tbh like in Hunt

since 1v2 isn't as soul crushing, but we already have a solo mode so I think it's a waste of resources and will just split up the servers even more

[thin lava]

paying to unlock classes is the dumbest thing ever please remove this. It makes the game feel unblanced and unfair. Either make it ONLY unlockable by playing the game (blue shards only) or auto unlocked

[sudden token]

fix the rubberbanding

[floral herald]

The Problem: How to monetize Dark and Darker to ensure longevity and profitability without PayToWin aspects.

The Solution: Monthly subscription to become a Professional Dungeoneer. There are no in-game advantages, but Dungeoneers can create and join Guilds. Guilds will have their own Guild Chat and, most importantly, their own Tavern instance! Guild Leaders/Managers can spend gold donated by the guild members to expand and decorate their tavern instance. Taverns could have minigames, target dummies, etc.

Guild Taverns will be where players spend their downtime in between runs, or where they find friends and team members. This will add a whole new social dimension to the game, helping establish positive player culture and also giving more dedicated players something to pour their excess gold into. Guilds will give players multiple reasons to keep playing, even after having max level and a full stash, simultaneously sustaining the playerbase and the company.

[austere obsidian]

not bad, I don't see too many people doing a monthly subscription though.

[fading vector]

Warlock Idea

When you cast debuffing spells as Warlock, a few of those spells have a red indicator with various symbols at the top of the player/creature you cast it on. What if we changed it so that one of them is a circle, another is the triangles, and a third finishes the effect into a pentagram that when fully completed by the casting of all 3 spells on one target, causes all their individual effects to be enhanced on the target, or there could be one big effect upon completion of the pentagram like a large amount of damage inflicted to incentivize fast spellcasting and layering on debuffs, which is the Warlocks class identity.

[lime adder]

SUGGESTION, QUIT LETTING SPELLS HIT DEAD BODIES! ( invisible, faster speed, heals, shields, etc)

[shadow bolt]

Some kind of matchmaking with gear ? kinda sick running inti full blue/ purp guys 2 days into the game

[past mural]

remove skillcheck for hunting traps it's so dumb when people are waiting to just set that up with absolute counterplay

and if u miss the skillcheck by not hitting red, you take damage?

[rocky pulsar]

A way to gift the game if it hasn't already been suggested

[delicate crown]

We Need a 2s comp mode where its just 2v2 instead of 3v3 or 1v1 everyone is running the meta comp and as someone who doesn't have 3 ppl to play with at all times its hard to just run a 2v3 in games when its always against a BARD/CLARIC/FIGHTER comp

[rough elm]

@delicate crown Problem is that there would be same person as you who would say WE NEED COMP MODE WHERE RUINS AND CRYPTS ARE SOLO"S (well because 2 team up on 1 etc etc.) I DON"T CARE IF CAVES EXIST. Personally i don't think we would need 2v2 when in 3v3 there is always someone who dies and a lot of players are left with 2v2 teams.

[wind phoenix]

Rogue double jump having a timer just like every other skill in the game. Crazy rogues are the only class that has the ability to have unlimited skill pops as they want. Most other classes have to regen or campfire to get said skills back.

[delicate crown]

@rough elm thats a skill issue has nothing to do with why we need a 2s comp, if you have someone always dying thats their fault but when going against a bard/claric/fighter comp which is ALWAYS the case its not fair to the ppl that are having to play 2v3s because we don't have a 3rd to play at all times

[proven lion]

Nah, no need for 2 comp. Just have to play different if you don't have a 3rd, or go get one from the gathering hall. Don't need to split the playerbase

[rough elm]

There is always gathering hall for a 3rd person even if u take some scrub use someone as bait (Because they are that bad) worked few times , and don't want to say it's a skill issue , but it kinda is

[tough bough]

Hello! I'm from Venezuela and the payment option is not available in my country, I know I can use a VPN and I did, luckily I have a foreing card to pay the game with, but some friends and people from Venezuela don't. It would be nice if Ironmace added a payment option for us, one that we use a lot is Zelle for example.

[rough elm]

Unless ur barbarian or offensive bard and u have to push constantly without any strategy almost then yea probably i can agree on that front

[wind phoenix]

NGL bard/cleric/barb comp is always viable ive been running 2v3's with just me and my homie as a barb and weve clapped those team comps. its about who yu go for first and how you play the fight.

[delicate crown]

Having a 2 comp doesn't effect anything you will still have your meta hoppers still have your 3v3 comps and if anything it will open up the game for more people

[wind phoenix]

im saying were both barbs killing those team comps.

[delicate crown]

Apex did it cod does it every BR there is has a duo comp mode

[wind phoenix]

this isnt a BR style game tho. its a extraction type game.

BR doesnt allow for items/gear to be brought back in let alone its a "win" in BR's in these games there is no "win" you just play.

[delicate crown]

Tarkov DMZ both are like that and both still have duo comps

[wind phoenix]

against 5 ans in tarkov? go ahead and compare tarkov bud i got 5k hours

[delicate crown]

okay?

[wind phoenix]

listen bro its a skill issue at hand and its fine but to compare tarkov which is a game that is very simular to this is insane. APEX, COD, ECT. are trash and will never compare to tarkov there is nothing comparable about them besides guns.

so anything you say going forward is now invalid cause you cant even make a proper argument. Sad.

[delicate crown]

Tarkov and Dark and Darker are basically the same game the only difference is guns/spells and swords

[wind phoenix]

Indeed and 2 man comps in Tarkov is 2v5v12 most times bud. Youre complaining about a 2v3. Imagine.

[delicate crown]

and acting like a child is getting you nowhere in life my guy so relax its a discussion about 2s comp

[wind phoenix]

not a discussion when you are complaining about dying in 2v3's lmfaooo

Get out of chat and stay out bud. learn the game alittle more and then come back.

[delicate crown]

lol why are you so mad?

[rough elm]

@delicate crown sorry but your point doesn't make sense , again many teams in crypts or ruins don't remain with 3 players they remain with 2 after losing one of their mates and in a lot of matches in ends up actually being already 2v2 teams bro even after losing whole team there were other teams that also lost and u team up with the enemy making 2v2 same with caves

[wind phoenix]

Cause i hate people who complain about 2v3's or somehting that is skill issue based and they cry how things need to change and ect. IN the end people like that are the reason alot of games die. @delicate crown since you cant read here is why im mad you bozo

The Cycle is a prime example, Devs killed it cause they listened to the skill issue players

[rough elm]

Trios in the game is core gameplay , solo wasn't even supposed to be added but all agreed that it was needed for timmy's or atleast get above starter gear to fight in those trios match and duo's wouldn't fit because we already have semi duo's as i explained

[delicate crown]

@rough elm thats a skill issue not a game issue and a 2 comp makes sense @wind phoenix is just being a child because I mentioned "tarkov" the worst game to exist

[wind phoenix]

Tarkov is trash lmfao i already know this bud why am i mad about that? do you not read? Nikitta doesnt ban cheaters he invites them, inertia killed the game to begin with anyways.

[mortal ingot]

day 2 of suggesting a stash upgrade

[wind phoenix]

I second this!

[rough elm]

@delicate crown Okay then what are you suggesting by saying making 2v2 would be a good idea ? New Map ? Ruins , and crypts for 2v2 when maps were designed to be for 3v3 ? Goblin caves 2v2 ?

[thorn summit]

I think this game has the steepest learning curve of any game I've played.. All these people complaining will be fine after they put in several hours.. Not sure how many. 20? 40? 50?

[rough elm]

I'm not dismissing your idea , but when i think all the factors i feel like it wouldn't work

[wind phoenix]

id say if they paid attention to how they died and tried to get better, possibly 25-30

[delicate crown]

Dog you got mad over nothing I just suggested a 2s comp because it would help a lot of players that don't want teammates like you I just wanted a civil conversation and you got upset for nothing so relax take a xany and come back when ya down hurt down there

[wind phoenix]

Refer to prior messages above my guy

[delicate crown]

@wind phoenix you do you paul I honestly have no interest in having a discussion with a child that acts like that when someone doesn't agree with your opinion "liberal" at its finest

[thorn summit]

Yeah. People thinking it only takes 2 or 6 or 10 hours are the ones complaining.. Just give it time. I just got good yesterday! By good I mean extracting 2 or 3 times in a row. Instead of once every 5 runs. Lol

[wind phoenix]

Aye keep that "this game is bad cause of 2v3's" mentality my guy

[rough elm]

Me trying to figure how to riposte with a flute and longsword be like: Impossible

[delicate crown]

I never said the game was bad lol

[magic ore]

Hi one questin is it allowed to play quickfire and tripple shot on ranger ? cause it looks rly discusting

[wind phoenix]

Exactly, just takes time something that @delicate crown doesnt have otherwise he'd wouldnt even suggest 2's comp. 2v3 is easy 90% of the time unless you go against a team comp that destroys yours. If thats the case run with different classes man. But i didnt get good until the second playtest Now im in here clapping cheeks against kids who dont even have 1 playtest experience but heard of dnd over the court case

[delicate crown]

I said having to fight back to back meta comp of the overtuned Bard/claric/fighter comp is not great to deal with and a 2s comp would make it simpiler for people that do not have a 3rd to play with at all times and playing with randoms is usually horrible

[wind phoenix]

fighting back to back is hard ill admit that as a barb main, but if thats the case play it back for a second. if yall notice another team your team needs to regroup and focus one at a time or let those teams fight

[delicate crown]

But hey its cool I just wanted to have a civil conversation and you wanted to act like a child, grow up man its not that serious

[rough elm]

@delicate crown use 3rd person as a bait or keep trying to find a good player until u find a decent person and if u succeed in extracting then ask for discord and invite in call and play together next time

[wind phoenix]

In the end you want to position yourself to where everything goes in your favor even if something doesnt go according to plan.

[rough elm]

Only ones u should be aware is rogue rats (Disgusting creatures) that are trying to find group when in actually they are waiting for you to die. Basically their strats are find a group , run around , help a bit , pretending that he's dumb , u get in combat , rat doesn't help , we die he hides takes all of our loot , extracts , leaves group and then finds another group and process repeats.

[opal frigate]

Make gear less necessary..

[atomic whale]

Add Banjo 🪕

[foggy island]

add monk

[gusty scaffold]

no

[vivid warren]

to counter 2 heals in same group ironmace should either add reduce heal debuff to throwables like knives and other similiar things or Limit Roles in same party + do more balancing alot of stats dosent have cap which is why you see 80-95 % physical dmg reductions for example, Tell me guys if you agree with this

only warlocks have reduce heals atm as far as i know but why not make it on some items so all classes can use it in many situation s

[jolly quail]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/470603/unlock-all-classes-from-the-start

[neat hearth]

Make the Team Killer flag appear in the lobby screen please.......

[leaden marten]

Have they ever talked about end game ideas and what they plan to do when your character hits lvl 20?

[wicked grotto]

This makes sense they will probably raise the level cap in the near future...seems really probable

[lucid violet]

I understand doing seasonal wipes for inventories (I still don't like losing all my stuff but whatever), but deleting characters too is a really bad idea. With how long it takes to get a character to LVL 15, you are discouraging people from experimenting with various classes and being forced to unlock all of the classes they want to play again every season.

If a player enjoys playing all of the classes, they would have to grind each and every one every single season.

[lyric wave]

Add a Bard skill that doesnt need to rely on a instrument. Example could be him singing a song or using a howling screech. He Could be using his voice or using his surroundings/equipment to make an amplifying sound to cause damage or a effect

[clever verge]

Add Friend list : D

[sonic hatch]

Increase the odds, even slightly, for greens and blues in the goblin merchant. The chance to get a green is very, very low, and you’re spending 50-100g per. I’ve spent over 1000, and received 3 greens, 1 blue, and a purple.

[gaunt cargo]

put a disclaimer on fighter that it requires no skill and deserves 0 credit

[next crypt]

the wipes are 3 months long, i already have every character lvl 15 it doesnt take long if ur actively seeking exp

[fading wing]

Make it so that when you CTRL +drag gold pouches, it auto defaults to 10 rather than 1, so that i don't need to adjust it every time

[faint onyx]

SHRINE ICON ON MINI MAP

[trim grotto]

How about making the Gear Wipe every 60 days but with a system to grind! For example: You get points depending on rounds played/rounds escaped or some sort of account - level (do not force the player to level up every class please!) and those points and everything that got purchased with them will never be wiped. What can you purchase? No Items, but stuff like extra inventory space (like 1%, stackable to 10% for example), some legendary Skins, 1x1 but stackable up to 3x3 Storage-Place where anything put there will not be affected by the wipe. You know, some nice to have stuff that wont give you extra power, but gives you any form of grind. You could even make a little bit of supporting money with it by buying a Lifetimeticket which gives you an extra point/some % extra points per wipe depending on the pricing of the "Buffs" and points gained. For example: User1 played 50 Games (5/5 Points, set a limit against the afks!), escaped 10 (10/10 Points) and killed 25 enemy players ( 5/5 Points ) while killing one red boss ( 3/9 Points) and because of his Lifetimeticket for some extra Game supporting bucks he gets an extra 5 Points per wipe. Now is he able to buy anything with the 28 Points, like the new Shoe Skin for 25 Points, 1 extra line of inventory for 25 points or a 1x1 non-wipeable storage field for 20 points. And if he plays for 3 wipes and saved up some tryhard 200 Points, he can get the epic Ninja Rouge Skin! I would love to see any form of that, or atleast something to grind even with full item/level wipes!

[faint onyx]

^ say that again but much shorter

[somber wind]

They want progression between seasons. Whether it's just cosmetics or something else.

[rough elm]

What he says making wipe much earlier and that u could buy some permanent stuff such as upgrades that wouldn't be affected by wipes , with second idea no clue what he's talking about if it's about permanent skins then it's already like that with blue shards ? Devs did say they will remain even after a wipe so technically it's already added

[somber wind]

Stuff like based on how well you did in a season allowing you to get more stash space, skins, personal inventory, storage that doesn't wipe.

That said, I really dislike the idea. Cosmetics are fine but nothing like storage that doesn't wipe.

I would prefer for people who want something like that we got Seasonal and Permanent servers after the game is live for awhile and gathers enough people for it to not hurt the game with Seasonal characters when a Season ends becoming a Permanent server character instead of being deleted.

[trim grotto]

30-60 Days Wipe with grindsystem: getting points by playing, killing players, slaying bosses and escaping. Buy cosmetics or non-combataffecting buffs like more stash space with them that are not effected by the wipe.

[rough elm]

Yeah would be fun to grind on some skins/emotes/actions that only 5% of playerbase would grind for few wipes just maybe not with a point system

[somber wind]

Permanent servers don't make a TON of sense right now due to not having enough content to justify it as well as the community that's actually playing being too small (but that's due to not being on steam). I'd say a Permanent server would be fine once they've been on Steam for awhile.

[somber wind]

I'd love prestige skins/emotes like the Red Skeleton skin for example. Just nothing actually functional that is exclusive.

[autumn pulsar]

This is a suggestion for the discord but it would be a good idea to make the #game-discussion a threads chat. It would allow multiple conversations about other thingsa nd would allow IM to be able to get a general overview of the thoughts of the community

[cerulean cypress]

wheres the karma option for betraying the squat

yeah sure, the game is hard core, but you dont go around kicking dogs

[atomic whale]

What would he do ?

[lucid violet]

The amount of time people have is subjective. I understand loot and inventory resets every season but resetting characters is just a waste of time. Because if you want to experiment with multiple characters you're punished the hardest by having to earn all of that back

[foggy island]

punch and use quarterstaff, possibly stun mechanics and poison resist

[atomic whale]

ah, that kind of monk

[foggy island]

if we're getting the d&d classes I want my guy in

[atomic whale]

I wait for gnome, or halfling xD

[cerulean cypress]

can we add some interaction with body blocking FFS we need a shove

[foggy island]

at least races are easier to add then classes

[autumn pulsar]

Stuns suck in these types of games, they should instead make him a melee range fighter with amor penetration and traits to increase his fist damage and skills to increase attack speed, armor pen stuff like that

[cerulean cypress]

no stun, what about a flinch?

[autumn pulsar]

Sounds good

[foggy island]

some sort of frame perfect parry system, maybe a disarm?

[slow inlet]

An auction house w/ buy outs and bids would be cool could focus more time on game play those who love the trade will have a nice layout

[cerulean cypress]

like for a monk, arm shots can interrupt attacks

[autumn pulsar]

Not disarm, maybe no damage and +15 attack speed and damage for 2 seconds?

[foggy island]

knockback mechanics like a kick could be REALLY fun

[autumn pulsar]

Oh yeah it could, but maybe as a short cooldown skill?

[foggy island]

well now im imagining some sort of running jump

[cerulean cypress]

Anyone have a good reason that F opens inventory but doesnt close it?

[foggy island]

midair kick, maybe if it collides with a wall its like a walljump. could have interesting movement

[grizzled kiln]

Hello Devs, can you allow another alternate attack to allow bards to attack with the flute. It's my dream to beat clerics up with the flute.

[cerulean cypress]

if anything, blowgun flute

[grizzled kiln]

Nah, like let me melee with the flute as bard

[foggy island]

..

[autumn pulsar]

idk about wall jump, maybe a boost in the opposite direction? like a dash skill

[foggy island]

yeah just spitballing, I just wanna punch kick and dish out concussions like a madman so until then I must wait

[autumn pulsar]

Oh i getcha, monk would be fun af

[ruby canyon]

they should fix the merchants timer for restock

[sick crane]

Slight nerf to the skill that allows barbarian’s attack’s to ignore armor? Really tired of getting one shot while fully geared with full health.

[leaden marten]

Yeah, they might, or level 20 could be the moment you unlock the skill tree, maybe?

[wicked grotto]

sure anything is possible im sure eventually they will release on steam so tons of fresh blood will arrive...they could totally open it up after lvl 20 or just roll it in with a new season...but they have some balancing and fixing to tweak in the game some tid bits here n there to get things more mixed

[gloomy nacelle]

magic staff is worst in slot casting tool either buff it somehow or spawn wizard with a book, once druid is out we'll have 4 classes that spawn with staff and i think that's ridiculous.

[alpine tree]

That would be broken

[gloomy nacelle]

Clearly you havent played base wizard.

[somber wind]

@foggy island Monk, Paladin, Artificer, Sorcerer and Druid are all currently planned.

[foggy island]

artificer will be interesting

[somber wind]

Yeah I wanna see how they go about that

[alpine tree]

yes bc running around with no clothes and a book is balanced

[gloomy nacelle]

Bro you can already do that with a mere 11g, you're reasoning is dogshit. I just want base wizard to not be garbage but according to you the 20 damage nerfs somehow arent enough. Wizard cant even reach 100% speed naked with their weapon put away after the AGI nerfs, but somehow its ok for naked rogues to move at like %110 while naked.

[alpine tree]

they literally got 5 knowledge this patch what are you on

rogues are meant to stack agility

wizards have haste and invis

[gloomy nacelle]

its actually a fake 5 knowledge, they nerfed cast speed gained from knowledge and knowledge only adds spell memory after 6 points now, base wiz actually have 1 less spell memory and about the same cast speed as the last playtest. but its fine you only read the parts of the patch notes that support your opinion.

[alpine tree]

doesnt matter, taking both cast speed perks + reducing arcane spells by 1 second AND spellbook + naked isnt balanced as a starting class

[gloomy nacelle]

ok barb main

[alpine tree]

im a wizard main

[smoky forum]

DO NOT PLACE AI IN PLACES WHERE THEY WILL STOP YOU FROM RUNNING FROM PLAYERS I WAS RUNNING WITH MY HANDS OUT NO ARMOR AND A SKELETON BLOCKED ME IN AN ARCHWAY AND I LITERALLY COULDNT MOVE AROUND HIM AT HIS SPAWN POSITION WITH MAX MS THATS NOT ME DYING TO OUTPLAY ITS POOR SPAWN LOCATION BACK AI OUT OF DOORWAYS TO ALLOW MOVEMENT

[gloomy nacelle]

sure pal

[alpine tree]

Crazy how you went from suggesting changing to saying nonsense LOL don’t let your thoughts out if they arent good

honestly embarrasing for you

[gloomy nacelle]

bro kenknobi & jaygriffyuh made the same suggestion, they are way better at wiz than either of us and are prolly the reason wiz continues to get nerfed.

[alpine tree]

you’re complaining about wizard starting off with a staff as if you can’t get 11g to buy a spellbook and those two are perma geared with the best stats they’re literally complaining about the first 5 mins of the early access

And if you think that replacing staff with spellbook is okay how are you supposed to exit spawns where you need to break props to leave

[warped coral]

hear me out, the cave trolls low sweeps where he runs at you and drags his mace on the floor should have a sound cue because when he rushes you down it is almost indistinguishable between the variation where he swings high(or reduce the high sweeps damage from one shot)

[gloomy nacelle]

is it really such a huge fucking ask for the class whos only viable source of damage is casting to start with a better casting tool than the worst one? is wizard play rate not low enough for you? also im leaving you with this and just know wizard has gotten worse since this data so the numbers are probably even lower than they are in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqFLcDOvGfg

[gloomy nacelle]

idk, you can break stuff with spells but also adding a weak little bonk or punch with the spellbook would work, it has no left click yet so why not?

[alpine tree]

then what would be the point of having a staff

[gloomy nacelle]

for the other 3 classes that spawn with it (im counting druid), magic staff is already practically worthless since all casters swap it for better ones when they can.

[alpine tree]

Theres a reason its a starting weapon

[gloomy nacelle]

then why is it in the loot tables? noone will ever take a staff over a book even if it has good stats.

[abstract swallow]

magic staff is unironically good and I'm tired of pretending it isn't

[alpine tree]

why as a barb would i use the starter axe when the felling axe is better

[alpine tree]

for people who enjoy it? Its lighter than magic sword and does physical damage

[abstract swallow]

crystal sword needs hella buffs though

[gloomy nacelle]

yea, physical damage that wizard has a -25% damage bonus with.

every. single. wizard. uses. book.(or crystal ball dagger) you trying to pretend they don't really makes me continue to think you are lying about being a wizard main.

[alpine tree]

did you forget that this game falls off after you get around 800g. Outside of being a starter class, once you get geared youre pretty much a walking stat

[alpine tree]

remeber that you are arguing for the fact that wizards should start off with book so does that mean all barbs should start with felling axe and all fighters should get falcion and heater shield? All warlock get orb and falcion?

And all rangers start with longbow too?

[gloomy nacelle]

well thats just a bad faith argument, but no because theyre starting weapons are actually good.

[abstract swallow]

all staff and sword need is to ATTACK on flourish, not bonk

[alpine tree]

If you are arguing about starting items it seems like ur not escaping a lot to get 11g

[gloomy nacelle]

I just don't want to have to stockpile books just for my class to be as playable as every other class on spawn.

[alpine tree]

Wizard with spellbook > every other class with starter gear

[mellow talon]

Yes but most classes with their first upgrade are better than Wizard

[alpine tree]

u can literally go naked with a spellbook with haste and output so much damage while invising 1v3

[gloomy nacelle]

Well you can keep saying that but without a good reason noone will believe you.

[opal frigate]

this game needs a 2 person dungeon, 3 player teams running the show in the crypts

[gloomy nacelle]

Like i said, I don't want the spellbook to have any bonus damage on it, i just want it because the cast on magic staff is terrible and the reason noone uses it.

[abstract swallow]

nah, they just need a good incentive for undersize parties to go into the main dungeon
everything else is just a test/side gamemode

[alpine tree]

u never said that about the spellbook and also magic staff shouldnt be replaced

U need something to destroy barrels and creates

[gloomy nacelle]

My bad i thought i did, but why not just both? ranger gets a bow and a short sword and since book is just better than staff it wouldnt be a big deal if they had the book to cast and the staff to bonk

[dusk lodge]

It's not that clear which songs on the bard affect only yourself. Please make it more clear in the descriptions

[alpine tree]

because rangers have limited ammo so if they run out they can still break things

[lament sluice]

Improve trading, maybe a auction house you place a item for sale for x amount of days for a fee that you pay.

[gloomy nacelle]

they start with 30 and never lose them if they loot the bodies. also arrows drop all the time.

[alpine tree]

if you shoot 30 arrows into the air and are trapped in a room where a barrel is needed to be broken how do you get out tell me

[gloomy nacelle]

I don't entertain strawman arguments, next.

[alpine tree]

Ah so you couldn’t come up with a point alright enjoy your magic staff

[gloomy nacelle]

You literally need to contrive the most ridiculous scenario to argue your point. go back to reddit.

Fists. No room is inescapable because of barrels and the barred wooden things can be punched down.

[alpine tree]

You wont answer because you know you have nothing but leaving the game

They literally cannot LOL wtf

[gloomy nacelle]

sure kid

[alpine tree]

LMAOO thats it?

[gloomy nacelle]

I'm done entertaining you, all you are interested in doing arguing bs for the sake of trolling. go. back. to. reddit.

[alpine tree]

ah so u lost the arguement great enjoy your magic staff

[gloomy nacelle]

There are no winners when arguing with a troll. keep seething kid.

[alpine tree]

so u can't come up with a good arguement for swapping magic staff with a book when you clearly stated it first LOL!!!

[somber wind]

I see no reason to further nerf Wizard

[icy panther]

The real reason is because magic staff as a weapon is ass and the book is so good because it has the least movement penalty on classes that prefer either to not to go into melee or wants to keep up to enemies.

[quasi star]

why is jewelry only 1 pixel to pickujp

[somber wind]

I've actually been saying buff the Magic staff by giving them rolled built in spells that aren't from classes with the Junk rarity having a very MEH unique spell. Something like "Magic Dart" being basically 1 Magic Missile projectile instead of a chain of them but slightly faster projectile speed.

[errant epoch]

There should be an in game chat so you can type to your party members

[nocturne orchid]

It might be nice also to have a spell that can be spammed since running out of spells can gimp the wizard pretty hard

[autumn pulsar]

I disagree, there is a reason they have medetation, afterall wizards are very powerful (and personally pretty balanced imo)

[nocturne orchid]

Idk, after playing bard, feels so gimped lol, but maybe bards are op instead in that regard

[umbral elm]

Duos map?

[nocturne orchid]

You could just make it a single missile blast that charges like a fireball, but only hits one target

Its not supposed to be a replacer for spells, but an alternative if you are out or want to save for more serious fights

[autumn pulsar]

imagine fighting a wizard long range, you're a fighter but he never runs out of spells. seems unfair. I think medetation is honestly the answer, maybe instead a spell could be lower damage but low cost, large amounts (7~10) and it's easy to get back via med, maybe like 1 every 8 seconds?

[nocturne orchid]

I mean, it's not exactly the fastest though right? Mages can already do that in a sense unless you really drag out the fights

[autumn pulsar]

Yeah but they could just drag it out infinitly then, maybe it could be a skill instead? that might be a bit easier to balance

[nocturne orchid]

But yea, if you did a spell that can recharge fast with lots of chsrge hen maybe it's a moot point, but it would just be a fun bonus for mages

[unique flower]

Imagine you're a ranger and you put 15 arrows into a fighter but he's stillcoming cause plate ttoo stronk

[somber wind]

Eh I disagree on that; I'd prefer it to be something that has charges like normal spells tbh or at minimum a cooldown.

[chrome lily]

NERF FIGHTER and ROGUE look at the ranking and tell me I'm wrong

[somber wind]

Rogue is fine and Fighter is only OP because they wont lower the Damage reduction cap from 95% (which it needs to be 75% max or 80% if we wanna push it a little).

[granite plinth]

i think bard and cleric needs nerf

[somber wind]

Cleric might need a small one but bard is completely fine.

[chrome lily]

how they aint even that many in top 50 for any map

[unique flower]

Nerfing fighters is very important

[chrome lily]

Rogue and Fighter dominate the top 50 list

[granite plinth]

It is possible that they can add accesibility for deaf players ?

genuine question, are there very many games that do that and if so, which mainstream games? that must suck to deal with :/. curious on what support has been implemented in other games unless we are talking about stuff like grenade indicators

fortnite is example case and apex legends as well because it has chat
its very impossible to find people to play with at this point and everyone seems so sweaty and wants mic people even if they are way worser than me

i think it would be nice that dark and darker could have some cs go prompts like fallback, enemy ahead etc
or chat which would be nice thing and i dont want the game that would be way reliant on discord but rather than find real people and play real ingame rather than relying on discord
if this game turns out to be finding people on only discord lfg,i could see that game would be dying in future because it will be mostly sweaty players that wipes every lobby no matter what

Do you agree with this point or not ? :S

[somber wind]

Purely all Fighter needs for a nerf is to lower the damage reduction cap; it's their main way to cheese the game.

[digital echo]

Remove 2 players being able to spawn in same room in goblin caves on the west side of the map. Rangers can take free shots at you if you spawn behind the fence you have to break.

[lime elbow]

they should add an in game friends list

[warped bobcat]

I think there should be a hidden gear score of some sort that restricts an amount of high level gear in regular dungeons. I dont think its right to have players who are just starting out mixed in with groups that are using all blues, sometimes greens, purples and even legendaries.

[high prairie]

SHOP IDEA: ** Purchasable Colored Undergarments.**

-You Wouldn't have to have white
-It's something stupid people who want to spend money can pay for.
-Is having Black Underwear (Say on an Orc, where it would blend better) Be considered 'Pay to Win'?

[somber wind]

I still think Rogue is fine, Rogue isn't "all over" the top 50 list.

• 4 in Top 50 Veteran Adventure.
• 3 in Top 50 Treasure Collector.
• 8 in Top 50 Killer Outlaw.
• 22 in Top 50 Escape Artist (HOWEVER there is many people with the same score on here so there's multiple in the same place, being 86 people in the Top 50 on this).
• 1 in Top 50 Lich Slayer.
• 0 in Top 50 Ghost King Slayer.

Rogue has high success in escaping due to being stealthy and doing anything to that would defeat the purpose of the class.

[somber wind]

Planned, just not high priority.

[gloomy nacelle]

I don't think any skins are or ever will be pay to win simply because gear goes over it all. atleast not in a visual sense. theres still discussion to be had about the stats the skins have but im not qualified for that.

[high prairie]

The only reason I even mention it, is in the case of the Barbarian where you may not be wearing a chest and it could, in theory, blend better in hiding. Even more specifically with the Orc Skin.

I think the lighting wouldn't make it an issue. Just trying to be critical.

[somber wind]

Something I think we desperately need is a new map that has a magic damage focus instead of a physical damage focus to shake things up.

[high prairie]

2nd Tier of Ruins if we're not bringing back Based Blue Howling Crypts?

[plush jolt]

My game isnt loading after I click okay at the Welcome Adventurer screen. Not sure what to do

[wicked grotto]

im wearing crap stuff just to level up my rogue lol hilarious

[somber wind]

I would like if Crypts to Inferno stayed it's own thing and Ruins got maybe a separate spin on Crypts; I'm fine if it's blue crypts.

[oblique lava]

Can we get a rat enemy? I think it would fit in pretty nicely in the ruin and/or crypt

[somber wind]

Give us plague rats, gimmie the poison rats that are the size of a car.

[tulip linden]

u should be able to hold more items on inventory or have seperate tab for gold

[somber wind]

We'll be getting different bags and additional bags; in addition you can just bring gold bags in with you. Hold 5x as much gold per slot.

[tulip linden]

i was thinking option to buy gold bars for like 500g or 1k and would be able to switch back would be sick, since atm i need to make bank alts to hold all my gold and items

its not fun to constantly buy high tier gier and switch gold to 4 other alts to just hold my stuff from high roller

[somber wind]

I wouldn't mind being able to buy gold bars that are worth 500g each and takes up a 2x2 stacking to 5.

[tulip linden]

to have space to store just gold, legit its more worth to have the gold in form of good capes atm than in bags since they take less space

[somber wind]

Could also introduce a gold sink through that by it costing something like 550g to make a 500g bar lol

[tulip linden]

definetly more gold sinks are needed yeah

mb rolling a stat on gear r smth making it cost like 150g or inflation will hit harder than barbs 2h in a week to all players

[olive ridge]

I made this suggestion in pt 4 , got like 500 up votes hopefully we see something like thus

[tulip linden]

yeah

[dusk basin]

let me stash arrows and bolts please

and bigger stack in inventory, like 20 or 25. or give us quivers

[night plover]

i think warlock should be able to more with apply magic faster or applying via the sword swing

[dusk basin]

tyvm email me at [e-mail]

[slow hearth]

the shield skeleton with a sword has a bugged overhead swing that goes through shields. needs fixing ASAP

[wicked grotto]

trying to speed level in gob caves with crap gear lol sheesh dont want to fight peeps atm

[high wyvern]

ltm event cosmetics ? lowkey a far stretch, but like each holiday has 1 or a few expensive ass items that are cosmetics ? maybe a item skin or pure cosmetic, only earned through the event tokens ? idea: For halloween, each class has a helmet or headpiece, that turns the face.. idk uhhh spooky or somethin: make em cost like few hundred event tokens

[wicked grotto]

suicide by spike easy way out and back to leveling!

[alpine tree]

Does it give xp

[wicked grotto]

no just die and get back to fighting npcs quicker

no point wasting items on gob caves to level up

[boreal tundra]

add an item that can tame and or summon a monster to assist you. Or maybe even a conjurer class like from Barony

[wicked grotto]

hilarious to fight that big millipede thing with shafty weapons takes like 50 hits lol

hilarious to kill somebody fully armour with garbage weapons after picking him up after a battle save the stuff for non gob caves

[warped bane]

I think that’s gonna be the druids niche

[somber wind]

Ok seriously the Crossbowman needs to be nerfed like the Ranger Skeleton was

[tulip venture]

Yeah I mean the normal ones should aim for center mass I’m fine with the elite ones still aiming for head though

[willow swan]

Need a report option for gold sellers in trade chat (probably a repeat request)

[ruby canyon]

LET US CHANGE OUR NAME

[summer cedar]

allow us to by more heals/ increase heal stack size again.

[night plover]

make a paladin class please ❤️

[somber wind]

Yeah 100% fine with that.

[strong cedar]

#NerfFigther

[mint adder]

they should add a questing page if they dont already have one planned

[red river]

Just wanted to say that its been two times i go out in goblin cave with a full rare gear ( that has adequate rolls for a rogue ). Two times i get one shot by litteraly a staff melee attack from an occultist.
And a barbarian with nothing just a grey two handed axe.
This is really really really dumb and i would love to see how we can make rogue playable not only just hiding all game

[chrome kindle]

i think its clear already that longbow abuse still rots high rollers and this game will be stale in 2 weeks if they dont nerf bow abuse

[steep drift]

Not a fixable problem

[jovial swan]

I think they need to fix Bard and make it so that you need to play all of the music to get any great music playing. Being able to get "great music playing" even if you miss half of your beats is so stupid.

[buoyant maple]

I'm not sure what it's been, but the game is progressively getting more and more miserable to play the more my friends and I play. Feels like we're perma-poor because we can't go enough rounds without getting absolutely shitstomped by squads of full blues and purples in the NORMAL dungeons.

[somber wind]

Fighter doesn't need to be nerfed, Damage Reduction Cap needs to be lowered; it's the only thing that Fighter does that is busted (95% Damage Reduction is the cap).

[jovial swan]

Hear me out on this:

[Bard]

Nerf: Bard now gains negative status effects if he misses any of the musical skill checks. The type of negative effect is based on which music is played and the intensity and duration of it is based on how much it is messed up.
Nerf: These effects also apply to allies.

[somber wind]

Hell no, Bard is only useable by missing notes right now. Without that it'd be F tier.

[jovial swan]

He shouldn't be rewarded for missing notes. It's either granting negative status effects or severely weakening the positive ones if missing notes.

[somber wind]

Ok how about this, that is the case but also halve the amount of notes in every song as well as the length of every song.

Note we literally have a perk that rewards you for missing notes right now.

I think the spells should just be hit directly (if at all), the class is already high skill floor as is.

[jovial swan]

[Bard]

Buff: The Bard's music now plays 35% faster in all types, with larger skill check zones to compensate.
Nerf: The positive effects caused by the Bard's music are weakened whenever he misses a note.
Nerf: The positive effects caused by the Bard's music do not occur whenever he misses half of his notes.

[strong cedar]

thats called a nerf bud

[somber wind]

This isn't a direct nerf, it's indirect since this is a nerf to every class. The cap is on Damage reduction, not Fighter specifically.

[jovial swan]

I kind of want to create an immortal Fighter right now. But I also want to like, keep the build I've got going that turns Fighter into a mini-Barb. What is currently the build for the immortal Fighter?

[somber wind]

I am less opposed to this. Although I personally don't think bard needs to be nerfed.

[jovial swan]

They should rename the Giant Worm into something more intimidating. I'm thinking...Grave Digger.

[strong cedar]

? sounds like some undead name, its a worm

[jovial swan]

It's a mini-boss that will likely dig your grave and take you to it if you don't play careful, hence the choice of name.

[buoyant maple]

As a support character, I'm of the opinion that Bard is hilariously overpowered in terms of how strong it is in support, utility, and overall making fights incredibly one sided against teams that don't have a bard (barring a significant skill/gear issue). Some of Bard's spells are absolutely absurd when it comes to both tanking allies, buffing them, and debuffing enemies, all while being free to endlessly spam these spells with no real limit other than the time it takes to cast.

With how annoying and oppressive the buff-bubble meta has been for the longest time now, I'm kind of amazed some of what Bard is able to do made it past the initial testing.

[somber wind]

Which buffing spells do you feel are too good?

[north idol]

How on earth is it balanced that a rangers trap can one shot a rogue before you can even have a slight chance of getting out of it? and thats whithout the ranger shooting at you? think the lockpick part of hunting traps should be removed

[marble bone]

troll was over nerfed not even worth being a boss

[orchid niche]

Cocktrice, and cetnipede are ridic op way to much HP, shouldnt be 40+ arrows to the face and then beating it with a sword only to die to circle closen cause it take way to long to even kill..

[buoyant maple]

Harmonic Shield giving +50 to both physical and magic defense is a good place to start, and that's not even factoring in the fact that it lasts for 2 minutes. As long as the bard keeps this spell up (which is incredibly easy), all of their teammates will have an infinite ~12% resistance to all incoming damage. Let's also combine with with Ballad of Courage giving a whopping +30 to physical power, which with any decent setup turns the user's weapon into what can be compared to a nuclear bomb on a stick (which also lasts for 2 god damn minutes). For the cherry on top, let's also throw Beats of Alicrity on there, giving the Bard and their friends an entire 25 movement speed for, who would've guessed, 2 minutes.

Shriek of Weakness is also just silly, essentially forcing anyone fighting their party to have their armor rating chopped down by 60 as long as the Bard keeps playing. At that point though it's just overkill.

Let's take all this, and realize that Bard ALSO has Chorale of Clarity which can essentially remove his Cleric's biggest weakness of limited spells with no ease of access to spell regen to make a perfect synergy of both support characters being able to infinitely sustain an unstoppable freight train of a Fighter that, with just a bit of decent gear, will absolutely NUKE lobbies with little to no effort.

[silent merlin]

Ballad & Beats of Alacrity are self only buffs. Rest of the stuff you said is valid tho

[faint onyx]

Really need to get rid of the bard and warlock shit that goes through walls

[timid notch]

need to nerf the cleric

[buoyant maple]

Thanks for the clarification, regardless we don't need round 2 of buffball fighter/barb meta we had in the earlier playtests. That shit was SO unfun to play against.

[timid notch]

100% agree McTwisty

[frail surge]

I'm considering not playing until bard is nerfed.
It's ridiculously overpowered.

[timid notch]

Yeah its crazy

[silent merlin]

I been playing bard, its secret op tbh . rarely run into other bards

[timid notch]

Its no secret

[silent merlin]

most ppl I play with never played with a bard before

honestly ranger is 10x more annoying, I have never not hated that class

[timid notch]

thats a hot take

[silent merlin]

definitely worse when it had infinite arrows, only slightly less so now. ranger should have lowest movespeed and str in the game if it's gonna do so much damage

[buoyant maple]

I'd say ranger's annoyances are much more in your face, while bard's annoyances are in the form of the fighter in full green gear barreling down on you while there's nothing you can do.

[eternal fable]

Any news on when we can expect some warlock updates? Loving the class but sometimes it feels ROUGh

[rotund leaf]

Need a gear cap for non high roller

[timid notch]

I kind of hate to say it but I have to agree with you or atleast a level cap

[rotund leaf]

The current state of the game is, farm high roller, get full purple, steamroll non HR.

[silent merlin]

way too easy to norm roll lobbies when you're kitted for sure, literally got so bored the other day just went high roller instead

[timid notch]

Dont wanna force people into highroller

[rotund leaf]

Not forcing, just dont let them wear anything higher than green on non HR. Unless you are queueing solo

[silent merlin]

then just make similar gear rating matchmaking

[timid notch]

fair you can always switch the green armor

[rotund leaf]

The people who wanna steam roll can go to HR and that let's people who just started actually play the game to get into HR lol

[rotund leaf]

My suggestion could be a temporary thing since gear based matchmaking would be more work I think

[timid notch]

I played every playtest but havent had much time to play this version and im really behind in gear and its terribly annoying and impossible to catch up while being farmed by people who have been playing this game non stop with full blue gear

[vivid warren]

Normal cave troll takes ton of time to kill it pls nerf the hp but not his damage

[rotund leaf]

They are going to run into the Tarkov issue where the only people playing are Landmark and cheaters lol

[azure radish]

Please add a mute game when out of focus basically when you tab out the game silences itself so you dont have to listen to the menu music on loop while you watch a quick youtube video. Low priority

[rotund leaf]

At least if they add matchmaking by gear, there would almost never be a reason to wipe the servers like Tarkov has to in order to get players playing again

[terse dawn]

Get good me and a buddy duo wipe norm lobbies naked

[azure radish]

rip pipe dream of newbie killing ultra geared and getting mega stacked.

[rotund leaf]

HR wouldnt have a "you must be this tall to ride" You could roll HR with grey gear if you wanted lol

[rotund leaf]

Let's see some clips

[timid notch]

Im dying to see you wipe a fighter/cleric/bard combo naked

[terse dawn]

sounds like your no good enough to belive thats possible

[azure radish]

You simply arent intended to fight everyone, If you see a mega stacked team perhaps go the other way

[rotund leaf]

Sounds like youre full of shit

[timid notch]

Literally tried this but they the speed buffs that you can give a fighter is insane

[terse dawn]

not even half the people playing this are braindead and can die to Ai let alone good players

[rotund leaf]

What are you even trying to say

[terse dawn]

the vast majority of people playing this game suck.

[azure radish]

Sometimes you just get unlucky and there is nothing you can do, I've had great success personally

[rotund leaf]

Not even half are braindead, yet the vast majority suck? Make it make sense.

[azure radish]

^^ this guy knows what he meant but does not want to discuss so he said this instead, i will see myself out of this wasteful endeavor. i suggest others do the same

[rotund leaf]

The fact im in suggestion-discussion tells you what you just said is stupid lol

[azure radish]

:p Okay buddy. Keep telling yourself that. Enjoy your day getting farmed by gray bois

[rotund leaf]

Enjoy rolling all purple and killing gray bois because you cant keep up with the big bois 🙂

[rotund leaf]

clips whenever bro

[terse dawn]

dont have clips but a screen shot of alot of kills when we wiped mutiple teams in a row

[rotund leaf]

ive also wiped multiple teams, but only when they dont outgear me by 3 gear levels lol

[wary patio]

What up gamers

[rotund leaf]

careful, it's salty in here

[terse dawn]

lol

[wary patio]

[jovial swan]

[Judgement]

Nerf: Casting time increased to 3 seconds.

Why it's 0.5 seconds is beyond me. That's horrendous game design that gives no room to counter it on activation.

[full valve]

Shouldn't rangers be able to retrieve their traps ?

[buoyant maple]

Big true. Despite how much I use it, I will never not hate Judgement for how it just throws skill out the window in favor of allowing a cleric to instantly nuke half of their opponent's HP by clicking a lightning fast spell. Just horrific design.

[wary patio]

They should make resell with traders higher. Campfires sell for like 3 gold which incentivizes market selling. But then there is a 15 gold fee so your stuck. No one really buys items like that in bulk. Potions are bought in bulk but the fee gets rid of like half the value of the trade. Making the fee lower or resell higher would make the whole system better. Making the fee different based on the market would be the best tho. You could sell low value items (like potions) at the utility or misc market for a lower fee and high value items like weaponry to specialized “class” markets for the higher fee. Or, to keep the market slower if you don’t want more people selling; up resale value to merchants which would keep the market mostly high value with important items. It all depends on what you guys aim for but in its current state you accumulate stuff that’s not worth selling in bulk and end up getting screwed on items worth 30-50 gold. (I luv the game btw!!!)

[ocean tree]

@buoyant maple enemy only needs to back away a little and the cleric's judgement will be out of range and miss

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/471987/increase-judgements-activation-time

[rough tangle]

A big gold chest please to fit my 200+ gold purses 😄

[inland hill]

Can we get a Boxing Emote like pounding your fists together to say Lets go 1v1 me fists only in a sort of way?

[covert relic]

Can we get 3 man escape portals in Hell? Just had a zone close with 1 portal spawning and no portals close by to run to

[jovial swan]

Tbh I think Cleric needs a hard nerfing. Not a fun class.

[primal cosmos]

on crypts hell level there needs to be three man escape portals in the very last zone, its unbelievealbe that there isnt, one escape portal was all there was in a hell run where no one else was but us and two of us die with easily 1500-2000gold sets of purples on, please force there to be atleast one threeman blue escape portal in the very last zone of crpyt floor 2 aka hell

[jovial swan]

If we removed the ability to use shields on Clerics and made Judgement 3 seconds of casting time, I think they'll be in a great spot. They already have enough stuff for survivability and offense.

[inland hill]

@jovial swan lmao as if... probably a rogue player upset they got diffed on

[jovial swan]

First off, not a Rogue player.
Second, you're mad I'm right.

[inland hill]

no they dont have a lot of survivability. the shield is their main way to protect themselves. this is like saying second wind is op remove it.

[glacial sphinx]

There is a counter though, 3 seconds would be completely terrible.

[jovial swan]

I'm guessing it's called "don't approach"?

[glacial sphinx]

its called outrange it after the cast starts

[real trellis]

Are you nuts? If it were 3 seconds it'd be completely unusable in pve. There's barely enough time to cast it on an enemy you've just aggroed as it is.

Not even getting into the fact that you'd take two headshots from someone approaching you for pvp before it even goes off

The range on Judgement is VEEEEERY short, like I don't think you can appreciate just how short it is unless you play cleric for a while

And if it had a three second cast time ANY class would have enough time to back out of range making the skill fail, or they could just come hit you as I mentioned before

[red river]

heres a suggestion, after a successful tumble ( rogue ), grants a temporary buff ( can be speed or damage boost for like 3 / 5 seconds )

[jade sand]

We need a channel or some ways to report cheaters.

[alpine tree]

Vulgun needs to get banned from making suggestions

[jade tartan]

We need an AH or something selling and buying anything for a reasonable price takes forever

[buoyant maple]

I think we're also seeing a massive imbalance of people selling compared to those who are buying. Right now the supply completely outweighs the demand.

[somber wind]

Ballad of Courage does NOT affect teammates only themselves which is temporary power comparable to other classes using better weapons than Bard can hold. Chorale of Clarity is alot slower than you think and takes awhile to use effectively. Harmonic Shield for sure is strong but I think they should have that spell tbh, it gives an alternative to healing. Beat of Alacrity is self only. Shriek of Weakness is lovely and I agree it's strong but I don't think it's overpowered.

[somber wind]

I would rather have Permanant and Seasonal servers with Seasonal to Permanant migration for characters. It'll make more sense when the community is larger (aka on Steam) and there's more content (full release).

[glacial sphinx]

Think people are trying to sell bad items too often or misjudge their price. Imo they need to change merchants a bit, reduce the buy price of white items by about a third since the value isnt there, increase the revenue from selling greens slightly so people will vendor more stuff. Also highroller probably drops too much loot

[somber wind]

I feel like the Inferno with the new enemies should probably have a slower circle than it does. Not by much though.

[placid cobalt]

Remove ranger and remove double jump perk for rogue

[somber wind]

Double jump has already been nerfed. Ranger is fine.

[wicked talon]

can we have a friends list please?

[somber wind]

It's planned, but not high priority.

[high wyvern]

agreed

[wicked talon]

is there a plan for duos?

and if so is there going to be a new map with duos?

[buoyant maple]

My mistake regarding team buffs vs self buffs was already pointed out to me, but thanks. I’m not going to get into specifics as that could probably turn into a novel, but I’ll leave it at this, then we can agree to disagree:

I feel bard in its current state is extremely unhealthy for the game’s meta, as the class bolsters the already infuriating strategy of buff-balling that dominated the game for the last 3 playtests, except now it has a new support character even better at creating an unstoppable bulldozer of a fighter/barbarian than wizard ever was. I don’t know what needs to be done to fix bard, as most of its biggest problems stem from its absolutely DISGUSTING synergy with cleric, and is something I don’t think simple number changes will fix, but I do know that something needs to be done or things are going to get stale fast.

[thin dawn]

Bard needs spell charges! They have 100% uptime and every team is just W key wiping teams out. Fighter is really tanky right now but if Bard has spell chargers it will make it more balanced.

This is supposed to be rock paper scissors type combat but Bard has 100% up time, spamable Buffs, debuffs, and AoE dmg that hits all levels and through walls is out of control.

[cobalt knoll]

this bard strat should be nerfed https://clips.twitch.tv/CloudyGlamorousBillMingLee-2BgkveJb8PEb1QHE

[pliant bone]

real

[somber wind]

This is mostly because they pierce walls with their AoEs and it's a cylinder AoE instead of a sphere (which it should be a sphere). If the AoE was a sphere this could still happen but within more reason where it'd be escapable instead of feeling absolutely horrible to be on the otherside of.

[somber wind]

I don't think it needs spell charges, I think it having cooldowns might be the better way with them being on a per song basis. Some spells might not need a cooldown where others would get them.

[somber wind]

I do agree it can be unhealthy, I do like the idea of buffing though. It's something I enjoy in alot of other games. However it might be too much and I'm just not seeing it. Cleric synergy with it might be something to look at though and rework as it might be far too much.

[thin dawn]

@somber wind i dont think they want to go with Cooldowns, thats the most obvious solution/balance but they havent went in that directions for spells

[somber wind]

They haven't but that doesn't mean they don't want to. They just haven't. I'm talking about specifically as a feature of bard and not other classes at all. Something added to the class identity.

[thin dawn]

Rogue will be too OP at Ganking people if it was cooldowns

[somber wind]

Another option is adding something like "Lung Capacity" so playing a song too many times you don't have the air for it. Like a stamina bar of sorts for specifically playing instruments. Breaks up the casts abit without adding cooldowns or casts.

[thin dawn]

Just add Spell Charges like every other class, its simple and doesnt take any game breaking coding

[somber wind]

It would make them too awkward tbh unless they had something like 15 casts on a bunch of their things.

[thin dawn]

they got a song to regen spells charges, maybe a bard will have to sit like every other caster

[somber wind]

If it was going to be cast based I'd want the minigame removed. You're juggling too many things.

Lung capacity would be a perfect fit since it would force the player to consider when and how often to do the songs instead of spamming them and if exerting themself right now would be good enough.

[thin dawn]

spell charges do this already and is in the game already

[void jacinth]

Suggestion. Adding two Factions to the game to make people choose a side to fight for like Wows Horde Vs Alliance would create more competition in game I feel like

[somber wind]

Except no other class has to deal with a minigame just to cast. Consider if Wizard had to do the Lockpick minigame before every spell.

[thin dawn]

imagine a bard using a campfire, man that would be a good balance

thats part of the class though, better the song better the buff

[somber wind]

I feel like casts also doesn't solve the issue

[thin dawn]

Zando have u used a campfire as a Bard main?

[somber wind]

Yes actually, only in the inferno though

[thin dawn]

Bard has too much uptime so adding spell charges slow them down a tad but doesnt make them unplayable.

[somber wind]

I think that making them less threatening in a fight is the better option, limiting their lung capacity so their casts are abit more split up with maybe incuring a penalty for completely exerting yourself would be better.

[thin dawn]

You shouldnt be able to spam the AoE song and wipe 3 levels of mobs/players

[somber wind]

I agree this would solve that more than casts would. If anything casts doesn't solve that at all.

It just allows them to burst down areas until they're out

[thin dawn]

@somber wind go play a wizard in goblin caves, this is wat a caster is dealing with in this game. Bard has zero downtime

[somber wind]

Yes but in individual fights, the big issue that there is with bard. It would do exactly the same as it does now. Including wall banging from the ceiling and buff balling.

[thin dawn]

Buff Balling is a thing because they have unlimited buff/debuffs. Bards are never resting/campfire so Clerics and Fighters are also just W keying

[somber wind]

Except that Barbarian with Wizard and Cleric did and does exactly that; there is downtime yes but in individual fights there is no difference.

[thin dawn]

with charges on speed buff u wont be able to spam and run forever

[somber wind]

If we're going by that logic then Bard has nothing wrong with it in fights. Which isn't true.

[thin dawn]

There no counter to Bard right now, thats the problem

[somber wind]

Ehhh Cleric can remove debuffs, but we need a dispel

[thin dawn]

U cant make them run out of spells then engage

[somber wind]

Wizard, Monk, Cleric, Druid should all get a Dispel in my mind. Bard too but I think stacking too much on bard to solve this issue is abit...

Artificer would also be realistic to have anti-magic devices.

[thin dawn]

Bards kit is insanely good right now but it needs to be limited by Spell Charges like every other Caster. Bard using campfires and Potions of Clarity will be a good thing for the Meta

[somber wind]

I don't think casts solves anything and if anything just raises the skill floor on the class even further.

[thin dawn]

What if Wizard could spam Chain lighting all game long
What is Clerics could spam shields/heals all game

Give the obvious 1st step and give Bard the Spell Charge treatment.

[meager sapphire]

Level 20s should be able to use a 3rd ability at reduced effectiveness

[somber wind]

Level 20 I'm pretty sure is being saved for something big.

[meager sapphire]

Interested to see the new skill tree got special edition so can use PTR when it’s up

[somber wind]

No I agree with you, I just don't think casts are the solution though.

[waxen blade]

Maybe add a MARKET channel in discord to sell items?

[spark sedge]

are they not gona bring an expansion to the stash ?

[thin dawn]

If a Ranger starts with a sword then Warlock needs one as well, Wizard should get a starting dagger too.

[somber wind]

They want to but they haven't decided upon how it will work yet (as in how you will expand it).

[late skiff]

Please I am begging you to let us drag and drop coin purses over each other to transfer gold between them again, it was such an amazing Quality of Life feature that's been debilitating to have had taken from us.

Also pretty please let us stack health items again - bandages are near useless now imo

[civic reef]

Let Barbs and Fighters goomba stomp spiders, please.

[spark sedge]

i think gold is a fair way like 1k gold

[pine shard]

Hi there.
Love the game, I wanted to share 2 opinions that IMO could help the game's balance and enjoyment;

Remove safe zone:
Personally I don't think is a good mechanic having a Safe Zone in a Loot&Extract game. It leads to cheesy/boring tactics and to unbalance between teams (Most of the time, beaucse of the safe zone shrinkin, games are most likely "everyone loot then forced to push the middle where the Fighter/Cleric/Bard team awaits you, more unbalanced if you play Solo/Duo)

Rework Extraction
Having solos blue pillars I don't know... I'd love to see three pillar spawn like the red ones OR maybe keeping opened the gate for few seconds when someone goes though it and letting leave everyone within these seconds. With no safe zone, extractions would be HARD af to find so I'd suggest after these 2 points, to add a new mechanics for "tracking" the nearby Pillar spawn (maybe some "sense" bar filled by mob kills or some reasearch by reading/picking up stuff in the dungeon). Or making them fixed location.

[real trellis]

You're not meant to solo the 3man dungeons. You can if you want to but you'll have to deal with the consequences if you get caught by a team. Making it too easy to extract would kill the lategame tension and make fighting other players less important.

[celest egret]

There are 3 blue pillar zones on new 3 team map and its not really fun

[undone harbor]

They need to add more stash space asap. Oh my god it's so painful man

[rare crescent]

really need to balance fighter gear. the damage reduction is insane. Also naked rogues doing high roller troll solo is obnoxious

[pine shard]

True but I feel like the PvE is not easy so having no safe zone is not totally risk-free.
Other than that you could have a lategame tension by having a Timer, or a safe zone circle that doens't do dmg: harder to move, to see, everything goes dark and darker until timer goes 0 and you die obv but having a circle that deals dmg forces you to get eaten by a team of 3 running META classes and High Tier Gear or just die out of the safe zone.
If you're a duo, a solo that doesn't like Troll map or just a trio running non meta stuff, you most likely die and don't extract.
Is just an idea!

[real trellis]

Once you understand how each enemy's attacks work PvE is pretty easy unless you make it hard for yourself by panicking and getting in bad spots. If there were no encroaching damage ring there would be no reason to not just take your time and be as safe as possible with every single enemy. There is SUPPOSED to be tension preventing you from just casually rolling every pve room.

[tulip hill]

What are yall's thoughts on silver coins?
I feel like it would be appropriate if they were used to buy the Coin Purses, that would give them a pretty substantial use and give people a reason to pick them up and trade with them

[real trellis]

They're less of a waste of space now that actual good treasures are much rarer but I still hate them and wish they had another purpose like you described

[tulip hill]

I mean, if I recall silver coins stack to 25, but you need 30 for a stack of gold
so they are less space efficient to loot than gold, and given their only use right now is to convert them to gold, that doesn't really make much sense to me

[pine shard]

I understand what you mean and I do agree on the Tension point but IMO the problem is that this tension is cheesed and abused sometimes making unbalanced some situations.
Maybe not removing it but maybe making it larger last 2 zones or adding more time

[abstract swallow]

Silver Coins are meant to be the primary currency drop of the first floor of the dungeon, which currently isn't implemented.

[celest egret]

Honestly I wish that the cleric spells would work on demons as well even if to a weaker extent, seeing that I am bit used to portion of RPG and Dnd runs where clerics were mostly used against undead and demon hordes.

[eternal quest]

Add Backpack pls. Can be used instead of cloak for extra space in dungeon and used in stash as space saver !!!!

PLEASE

[distant night]

.suggest Armor and equipment should go from rusty/torn to shiny the higher the quality, just like weapons do

suggestions disabled? 😑

[mortal ingot]

Day 3 of suggesting stash size upgrade

[wet brook]

careful guys, you should know..
... everytime someone talks about META, a gamers newborn will be sent to hell!

[tulip hill]

while it is true that in d&d clerics are often depicted fighting creatures of the Nine Hells and the Abyss, the reason clerics are most effective against undead is because of their ability to channel "Positive Energy" in contrast to the undead being fuelled by "Negative Energy"
on the flip side, Paladins have a little ability called smite which allows them to deal additional damage to those that appose their alignment, so a good paladin could smite a demon because demons carry with them elemental evil

tldr; clerics in d&d don't actually get much to fight demons specifically

[quick lantern]

Remove Trade Post Fee, i already barely make any money

[celest egret]

Thing is in here cleric can equip Paladin based equipment, like Warmauls, plate armor (Most of it) so it would look like clerics are at least for now portrayed as both classes (unit we will see proper paladin as class)

[tulip hill]

true! we are lacking a quintessential paladin class
however I do feel the need to mention that warmauls are a classic cleric weapon, as seen in 5th edition's player handbook the art depicting a dwarven cleric on the cleric's class page wields one as well as countless examples of clerics wielding warmauls in other arts
also, while it depends on your domain in 5th edition, back in 3.5, all clerics get access to heavy armor
speaking of though, I'm now pondering if they should add a perk for cleric so they are able to wear the other heavy chestplates since they currently only have access to the Templar and Rubysilver plate

[wispy swift]

Cleric needs a rework or a weapon buff its to slow to defend against pvp

[tulip hill]

Cleric is a support class, but even a solo cleric can wreck shop if they get the chance to buff themselves

[wispy swift]

thats the issue its the buffs run out to quickly and the melee is to slow

[real trellis]

If you ditch spellcasting you can just run judgement and the +10 mgc damage on hit skill and pretend to be a paladin

[tulip hill]

I will agree that the melee is a tad awkward, but the buff duration is plenty long
Bless has a base duration of 30 seconds, Divine Strike and Protection has 20
on top of that, even with no gear the 30 will you start with gives you +15% on those buff timers

also Dousiq has a good point there, I've seen no spell cleric work pretty well for solo players, but you are giving up your healing for it

[real trellis]

It's honestly really liberating to just toss the magic and zero-to-hero it

[tulip hill]

back in playtest 5 I made a cleric who literally dropped everything and just punched people with smite
pretty funny and worked more often than it should have considering I was in the crypt

[hasty goblet]

Hell nah, what are u smoking ?

[blazing hedge]

How about a Duo dungeon?

[wispy swift]

bruh your tripping. Cheers for zero input to the convo!

[wispy swift]

Ill take a look at that cheers

[tulip hill]

I've been running mostly Duo so far and I'm not sure a dedicated duo dungeon is needed
it can be rough when a 3 man strolls up but I don't really mind, as the difference between 2 and 3 feels a lot less than the difference between 1 and 2
idk, maybe I'm bias since I go solo into the 3 man dungeons a lot and I've just learned how to avoid and escape bad situations

[blazing hedge]

I've exclusively played Duo, it's dumb
2 fighters roll up on you or any variant of 2 melees with a cleric or a mage or a rogue, you're dead

[tulip hill]

what classes?

[blazing hedge]

I play Cleric, mate been trying out Warlock, mostly, also wizard

[tulip hill]

ah, yeah, trying to play casters as duo is rough
understandable

[blazing hedge]

Duos are for 2 mages or 2 rogues or 2 rangers, they're limited

several combinations on Duo will simply not work

[tulip hill]

I see your point
without that third person, there will always be a glaring weakness in party comp that a 3 man will be able to exploit

[blazing hedge]

Pretty much

I mean, I'd watch someones Stream if they were rolling with something like Warlock Wizard duo on high rollers

Warlock Bard

[iron bramble]

Suggestion: Add a race that adds +1 will and another race that adds +1 knowledge. Kinda like the Orc, Skeleton, and Elf all have buffs because of the race/skin.

[tulip hill]

I'm sure races that do that will exist eventually :D

[pine comet]

Adding a race that gives clerics an extra spell slot would be

[rugged falcon]

What if its +1 will and -1 knowledge

[tulip hill]

would a single additional spell capacity actually make that much of a difference?

[rugged falcon]

kinda yeah after they nerfed some spells

[pine comet]

Most clerics run bless, divine strike, barrier, lesser heal, and holy light which costs 13 spell slots yet we spawn with 12 forcing us to buy equipment that gives us one extra spell slot

[rugged falcon]

I still enjoy the old default also costing 13 spell slots

[tulip hill]

ah! okay, so it saves you from needing to get padded leggings or rawhide gloves after a death
I feel like that's not too big of an issue

[rugged falcon]

Even in default kit though we would be able to

[upper summit]

Please, adjust archers turning rate, they should not be able to hit 100% of melee attacks with a bow

[tulip hill]

what? Oh! NPC archers!

[rugged falcon]

Can I also suggest to the community we artificially raise the prices of items in the trading hall

[arctic robin]

xd

[rugged falcon]

I just wanna sell my cobalt items for more than they cost to make :(
Theyre not even bad its good stats

[arctic robin]

Depend on the roll, if it's not good it will alway sell less

[rugged falcon]

I just said theyre good stats

[tulip hill]

while fighting ranged NPCs with melee can be a pain sometimes there are a couple tactics that be used to fight them more efficiently
one thing you can do is to duck and look straight down right as they go to fire, this will make them shoot right over you, but be carful as skeleton archers frequently shoot twice
if you're not a fan of taking the risk associated with that you can take a few steps back and strafe around the mob, they are programmed to shoot where you are, not where you are going. After they shoot you can quickly walk up and get an attack or two in depending on your weapon
but if you don't have room to do that, you can always use a corner or shield to just block the shot before putting some damage into them
hope this helps! :D

[upper summit]

that definitely helps as I try to put all of those in action, but unfortunately it does not seem flawless a lot of times

[fathom bolt]

Drow would be nice for that

[spark sedge]

does bow dmg scale off any stat ? like str or agility

[tulip hill]

I could be wrong but I believe it scales with strength despite being a ranged weapon
strength grants you physical power bonus which increases any physical damage you deal, including weapon attacks

[lone cloud]

Suggestion: Add a "Visit Map" Mode

• Get accustomed to a map (level geometry, spawns, etc...) by roaming free alone (or with teammates) but no enemy players
• Add a sub-menu to toggle:
  • enemy spawn on/off
  • damage on/off
  • "full illumination" on/off (basically light the whole level so you do not need to keep torches on you)
  • show damage numbers (to self and/or to enemies)
• Enemy/chests/loot drops must be disabled in this mode (for obvious reason).
• Any XP gain must be disabled also
• Dying in this mode will not make you lose anything
• Useful for content creators (and people in general) to showcase new maps, discuss strategies, show specific map locations or mobs, test damage numbers on enemies
• This mode can be the foundation work (from a technical viewpoint) to later introduce private matches / tournaments

[tulip hill]

I agree, there should be a way to practise or test things in a no risk no reward setting

[lone cloud]

How can, a suggestion made here, be also posted in the "d-and-d-suggestion" text channel?

[tulip hill]

#d-and-d-suggestions seems to currently be closed

[ashen sinew]

I suggest removing trading from the game entirely and region locking problematic servers like China. What say the community?

[tulip hill]

why remove trading?

[ashen sinew]

Players should only be able to use equipment they and their friends find. Far too easy either via fair methods or unfair methods for people to get purple sets or legendary weapons via market. And would also entirely destroy the current bot plague.

[late dome]

👎

[tulip hill]

I was unaware of a bot plague, though I haven't used the market much since the game released
as for the circulation of high rarity gear, I see your concern, though I think we lose more from removing it
current NPC shops leave a lot to be desired so the player market is where most of your gold goes
if we removed the market, that would remove probably the game's biggest gold sink from the trade tax while also making gold far less useful
and if gold loses its value, so does all the sell-able treasure items as well as any gear for a class your group doesn't generally play
while there would still be bragging rights and bosses to slay, removing the market removes a huge motivator for a lot of players

[ashen sinew]

They intend to add far greater gold sinks eventually as they stated in several FAQ’s prior to early access. Via progression systems of some form, either character or equipment wise.

[neat steeple]

#d-and-d-suggestions Would love the opportunity to mute/ report people in chat. I think it would be a great chance for the user to clean up their end of bot spammers

[ashen sinew]

If market remains, then the rate at which seasons last and items get reset will need to be far quicker then if it was removed. It only takes 1-2 weeks for orange tier and uniques to start frequently appearing in market.

[obsidian marlin]

Very bad idea, trading is such a good system that adds variety to the game itself

[tulip hill]

alternatively they could add a system where the rate of item drops is dynamic
as items are found they drop less often
as items are lost from them getting left in the dungeon they start dropping more often again

though I think this idea would require less drastic difference in the power level of the best of the best items to prevent monopolies
the bright side of having an over saturation of good gear is you can save up money and buy a set that lets you contend with those who already have good gear

[abstract swallow]

we really need a durability system, both to tax people taking high-end gear into weaker content and to stop the endless recycling of high-end gear
it doesn't have to be much, just a small fee based on rarity with a chance to chip some max durability off

[tulip hill]

oh! speaking of people rolling lobbies with full gear sets, what are yall thoughts on a matchmaking system? I know we have highroller but as it stands now there is nothing protecting lower gear players from people who have decided they want to go on a killing spree in normal lobbies

[ashen sinew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/15qtwrc/cant_do_a_game_without_facing_full_geared/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[valid crescent]

then just buy better gear too it's a lie to tell than there is a full purple team every games

[ashen sinew]

No one would like that version of dark and darker end game. It’s you one shot them or they one shot you or everyone stares at eachother because fighter has 99% damage reduction and no one plays mages.

[abstract swallow]

matchmaking bad, but incentives to not pubstomp good
adding back Floor 1 and putting in a simple durability system will nix most pubstomping
right now it's lucrative to just run a purple weapon each on a goodsquad and run through low roller two-shotting people to the body especially after the loot buffs
the only threat is other stompsquads, otherwise you leave with a backpack full of green/blue loot or just dip through inferno

[wind harbor]

That's true but removing trading would only slow the progression down not fix it

[ashen sinew]

Thats the idea. Slowing it down would make resets less commonly needed. And also kills gold selling.

[valid crescent]

but without trading you wont catchup with them

[wind harbor]

Ya without trading u will just end up getting steamrolled even worse

Also I think more wipes is actually better keeps the game fresh especially if large balance updates are included with each wipe

Like when rust did weekly updates on wipe day

[restive raft]

trading post should be reworked, and make it one place for all classes with proper and more filtering options

[ashen sinew]

Absolutely not true. Lowbies would always team against higher geared players in dungeons if this were the new norm.

[valid crescent]

then why dont they do it rn ?

[late dome]

No they wouldn't, teams almost always attack each other on sight, assuming that they would team up on the off chance that they'll find a geared team is just completely wrong

[wind harbor]

Lol bros just making shit up now

[ashen sinew]

And good gear would be used FAR less freely knowing it can’t readily be replaced.

[valid crescent]

ye they would use it more in normal mode than roll it on hight roller

[ashen sinew]

Also goblin caves allow anyone to gear up regardless of gear difference.

[ashen sinew]

In your CURRENT experience ofc

[wind harbor]

Removing trading increases snowballing 100x

[abstract swallow]

removing trading just means a lot more ranger/wizard/warlock solo inferno runs for gear farming

[wind harbor]

In everyone's experience and if u say otherwise ur lying in 3v3s

[late dome]

You are literally making stuff up, no teams ever work together in crypts or ruins

[abstract swallow]

not without voip at least
with voip I've teamed up a few times to clear the center chamber of crypts or to get help against a geared team, but it's uncommon

[ashen sinew]

In your CURRENT experience of course. But I’m not talking about the current game. Removing trading would change this entire game. No one would mindlessly zerg at another team

[late dome]

It will literally change nothing about how people play the game, if anything there would be even less incentive to work together since you will only be able to keep what you find, so why would anyone want to split loot with randoms

[wind harbor]

People mindlessly zerg cuz of the class balancing has nothing to do with trading

[heavy hull]

Can we have some form of quest for like exp and/or special item but makes the quests somewhat difficult

[wind harbor]

U just perma buff each other and whoever has shrines wins

[ashen sinew]

Got anything constructive to add or are you just going to say “bad idea” and argue 24/7? Maybe durability? Maybe market currency requirement per rarity? Anything?

[wind harbor]

There's nothing constructive to add, just straight up removing trading is brain dead

[late dome]

Theres nothing to add because there isn't anything wrong with having the trade menu. You keep making baseless claims and I'm pointing out why what you're saying is wrong. Stop acting like theres a problem with being able to trade

[ashen sinew]

Gold sellers/buyers detected. 😂

[ashen sinew]

Memes aside, since you’re a genius that knows everything that should or shouldn’t be in the game, how do you intend to combat the bot plague?

[late dome]

Just report bots, or literally ignore them. Both options are better than just removing the trade menu completely. Sorry your feelings got hurt but the suggestion was just bad 👎

[ashen sinew]

So ignore gold sellers while the entire economy gets obliterated like it already has? Should’ve expected you’d have literally nothing to add

[autumn pulsar]

Something that need to be fixed is enemies who use projectiles (goblin/skeleton archer, the goblin slinger ect.) Think we all have had a situation where we were behind em and they somehow hit us.

[plush orchid]

Suggestion: announce hotfixes/patches maybe a few hours before it going live.

[abstract swallow]

if it's anything like where I used to work, they ship the patch and then THEY get told when it's going to be implemented
so we're stuck with last-minute "UH OKAY PATCH TIME" announcements until they're back on AWS

[topaz blade]

Suggestion: Try to move the patch downtime around a bit instead of hitting the one time zone repeatedly

[main tree]

Suggestion: Bring Back Hoard, that is all.

[dull crow]

suggestion: make cloth equipement (more or less the starter gear) half the move speed reduction. there is honestly no point in this equipment right now, heavier gear usually slows down players the same rate (usually -10 for chest gear and -5 to -10 for pants) as light gear yet the defense between the two are obsurd. light gear starters only giving like 5-10 armor rating while the heavier gear been giving anywhere from 20-30 armor rating per piece.

edit: there should be a graph curve for the better the armor rating the heavier it should be, but that doesnt seem to be the case. (and im not talking about rare drops cause those are obviously gonna have a better rating cause of rarity)

[reef spindle]

suggestion: reduce Crystal Ball movement penelty

[molten copper]

Why? It's already one of the better spellcasting items?

[inland wigeon]

Uhm...

The Armor Rating curve table has been changed. Now takes more damage while naked.

Did barbarians literally just get unintentionally nerfed?

[tulip hill]

wasn't barbarian one of the strongest team fighters in playtests 5?

[steep folio]

Suggestion: Change the update time. In europe the updates are being like at 17:00 and maybe would be nice do it at 12:00 UTC+1

[molten copper]

Barb is fine since they'll still be wearing clothes. This is a nerf to people literally wearing nothing aka naked rogue/wiz strat

[tulip hill]

maybe, that fully depends on how exactly they changed it
I know this game doesn't use smooth curves so they could definitely change it in a way that only affects those with minimal armor rating
I hope they had the foresight to not put the threshold too high

[brittle karma]

Small QoL suggestion but to make life so much easier when you have full inventory just make the background of the items rarity that color that way I don't have to siphon through the crappy cracked jewelry or certain weapons etc. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate it.

And PLEASE LET ME STASH ARROWS AND BOLTS D:

[spice oxide]

Could it be possible to nerf the Falchion and buff other weapons? I don't get how the Falchion can have the same damage as a 2 handed weapon while being 1 handed and also have the best impacts zones for the blade (100% and 80%). I think the longsword and the halberd are such cool weapons but there is no reason to pick them over the falchion rn.
Also there is almost no perks for fighter outside blocking and double weapon. Maybe it would be nice if "Slayer" worked with 2 handed weapons?

[meager current]

We really need to be able to report people in the Market and gathering hall for advertising their gold selling websites. I hope you guys over at Iron mace are taking this seriously

[abstract swallow]

Falchion is fine, other weapons just need slight tune-ups
it's the shortest range and slowest 1h blade, without the damage it'd just be a worse axe

[granite plinth]

why remove hoard in inferno nooooo!

[real trellis]

If slayer worked with 2h weapons spear fighters would be even more of a nightmare

[spice oxide]

Shortest range? It has a better range than any of the barbarian axes, the cleric weapons, the rogues daggers etc...

[granite plinth]

yeah removing gold hoard in inferno was a bad decision and needs to be reverted.

[spice oxide]

Yeah I guess that would be a problem indeed

[tulip hill]

the inferno hoard required a fraction of effort to get compared to the other hoards in the game
I wish I had used it more while it was in the game but I don't disagree with it's removal

[static gazelle]

I agree and disagree, I main fighter and most other weapons are just not able to keep up, unless you use halberds, and spears and can keep a gap, tho I agree with other weapons need to be buffed to stay viable, I would worry that the Falchion does too much damage with a basic grey one on a naked fighter able to out put the same damage as a longsword (50-55 damage on first two swings) and being able to pair it with a heater shield, even with other weapons getting buffed it would still reign king over the others.

*Edited cause typos

[spice oxide]

and it still have better speed than the longsword, with better damages and only -25 movespeed. Even the horseaxe has -30 speed for almost half the damages

[terse sequoia]

Have portals spawn on the underground area of goblin map.

[ionic bobcat]

We need more stash space

[static gazelle]

Honestly the only real downside with the Falchion, is it swings also and wide, which in its self can be both bad and good, bad because the swing starts wide and can hit wall easily, but good cause this wide swing can catch people trying to out manuve you.

[tulip hill]

when it comes to the falchion I think we need to consider if it is fine on its own, without comparing it to other weapons for the same class
if the falchion is fine when sized up against say a barbarian than it stands to reason that the falchion is not the problem
and if that is so, then the other weapons available to those with access to the falchion need to buffed

[static gazelle]

Faxs, give us more spaces, another tab for some gold, or treasurer chest to hold our coin prices, and some weapon cases.

[molten copper]

Falchion base damage is higher than all 1hs and some 2hs yall bugging if you think its fine as it is.

[primal spindle]

should warlocks start with falchion? (like a junk quality one)

[tulip hill]

has access to, does not start with
oh, that was a suggestion

[static gazelle]

I can agree with that, and would like to see other weapons get buffed BEFORE, the Falchion gets nerfed to see if this balances things out, the nerf the Falchion of we don't see any good balance come from the changes

[static gazelle]

I don't think in the current state of weapons they should start with one

[spice oxide]

I don't disagree, all I want is for more options as fighter for weapons. It just doesn't make sense to me that the falchion has more damage, is faster, only -25 movement speed and 1H compared to the longsword (worse damage, worse speed, -40 movespeed and 2H so cannot use a shield)

[molten copper]

I was kinda surprised warlock didnt start with crystal sword