suggestion-discussion

[somber wind]

Back when the suggestion channel had like, no one in it lol

[atomic mountain]

• Berserker (Spear): When you take damage, gain a +15% damage buff for 10 seconds. This effect has 3 charges and can be recharged at a campfire. Effect does not stack with itself, it is instead refreshed.

Alt version:

• Spear of Achilles: When you take damage while wielding this Spear, gain 15% attack speed for X Seconds.

[somber wind]

So that'd work the same eitherway with the exception that you changed it to attack speed since weapons don't provide effects unless it's being wielded. I feel like the damage buff might be more balanced than the attack speed since attack speed has higher DPS potential.

[atomic mountain]

Either way, it'd be good to specify it being wielded imo.
Otherwise they'd gain the benefit just from it being equipped on on their back no?

[somber wind]

Nah, currently weapons don't provide any of their rolled effects or benefits unless in your hand.

[atomic mountain]

Could be short duration, 3-5 seconds. Internal cooldown of 5 minutes maybe

[somber wind]

That might be good too

[atomic mountain]

Limiting uses with charges is another way to limit it's power potential too. Both could work

Was just a thought, not a critique. All the ideas are dope

[somber wind]

Yeee no worries and thanks

Although simple, my personal favorite among them is either Crowdbreak or Torchbearer's. From a functional standpoint I feel like Crowdbreak would be the most useful but Torchbearer's is hilarious and I'd love a torch build.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah those are cool, as long as the push back is an active thing, rather than a constant ability imo

[somber wind]

I was thinking as long as you were blocking and crouched and moving it would push constantly but you have to walk against the enemy to do so with all the previous conditions.

[rancid pebble]

torchbreak would be so funny

[atomic mountain]

I just think any push-back or pull should have a timing/accuracy requirement
Ofc Aegis doesn't work like this, but it does require skill+luck to reflect properly

(and it also fades + goes on cooldown)

[somber wind]

Hmm

[atomic mountain]

Could even have a spiked shield variant.

[rancid pebble]

Im still hoping we get a parry shield, even though ill never play a class that can use it

[ripe haven]

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486/1083371680954593380

[atomic mountain]

As long as it's something that requires the player to trigger/place it, or goes on cooldown, there's outplay potential. Knock-backs or pulls typically always have conditions like this because without it's kinda nuts

[ripe haven]

alot of these are fun and might work better as class perks. these are cool tho, i like the torch one the best

[atomic mountain]

Best Unique weapons+armor ideas I've seen yet

[rancid pebble]

upvoted that like 2 min when it came out lol, it was also on my list of additional weapons a month ago

[somber wind]

I feel like most of the named weapons have perk like effects, just look at Life after Death, Viola and Crushing Prayer.

[rancid pebble]

I hope they go for perk like effects rather than just 'it does more damage' or 'it does magic damage'

[somber wind]

I hope they do both tbh, variety is nice

[white cliff]

It’s right above another MMR suggestion that has a 100 downvotes.

[tight gale]

guys what do you think about my suggestion? Like why is it good or bad?

[atomic mountain]

Could be more concise.
Identify the problem very specifically, and make the suggestion that would fix the problem

[thick widget]

is kratos confirmed as a boss or at least a playable class?

[tight gale]

yes 100% definetly

[rancid pebble]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

This shiz just makes me think people arent playing the game right. Lower complexity systems require more skill since there is less leeway, so playing footsies, dodging attacks or whatever is dark and darkers equivalent to mordhau. Removing that ruins the game

[crimson flax]

Wtf us up with the mordhau fetishists and this game? Why do they want to ruin ours so much?

[graceful frost]

Idk man idk

[real trellis]

If blocking were easier then we would need better attack pattern mixups

[faint dirge]

I think when the skill level rises blocking will become way easier but i might be wrong and it becomes way harder

[rancid pebble]

Bro if these people want to see what this will do to DaD, they should play agartha

[proud bay]

Hush artifact dagger- gib lol

[turbid ermine]

cope

Mostly people that Haven't played enough mordhau to understand that on public patch it's a defensive biased game.

So when they find a game where defense is actually harder than offense, it must be changed.

[crimson flax]

you know maybe its cause its 2am but i cant tell if you're tlling me to cope or if you're calling it cope

[turbid ermine]

Calling it cope

[tight gale]

Making blocking more viable is going to ruin the game?

[turbid ermine]

Yes.

[tight gale]

Yah im fr a mordhau fetishist with my like 15 hours on mordhau and 30 on dark and darker, i really want to ruin dark and darker, actually the only reason i posted that was that i hoped the devs would read it but i secretly knew it would ruin the game

[tight gale]

Youre right they should just remove blocking, actually i think they should just remove potions, maybe even just bows, maybe wizards too because of balance 👍

[real trellis]

someone's pissy lol

[tight gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/810975108339466345/921174281134686228/7C469782-0816-424A-9A7C-69715072067E.gif

[turbid ermine]

If blocking is easy, offense becomes weaker and like mordhau without the comp patch, every engagement will last ages with only blocking going about.

I'm not against making blocking give you frane advantage, but making it easier is not good.

[real trellis]

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[tight gale]

Didnt say to make it easier just said make it viable

[turbid ermine]

Then just ask for frame advantage on it if timed and done

[tight gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007946723223670784/1008174859660054578/caption.gif

[real trellis]

2x combo embed failure

[tight gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/982603895341711363/1009535163123892314/ezgif-5-43ee149553.gif

[real trellis]

He's furious lol

[tight gale]

Im fuming!!! Im seething!!! Why do you think im mad i sent 3 gifs

[real trellis]

All the comments you've made since replying to union man RE: mordhau have been pure seethe

[tight gale]

https://tenor.com/view/the-skeleton-appears-gif-25537691

[real trellis]

He's still trying to post gifs in a non-embedding channel

[tight gale]

WOW I JUST REALISED THEY ARENT EMBEDDING!!!! THANKS FOR THE HELP I JUST NOTICED IT

[real trellis]

absolutely malding

[tight gale]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-ninja-ninja-fortnite-funy-bald-gif-18886564

[real trellis]

I hope you understand that I'm not clicking any of these

[sturdy remnant]

its just an ip grabber what r u on bruv

[real trellis]

You can hold that fat L

[tight gale]

average barbarian player

[robust blade]

@smoky depot hey about your suggestion you made it so it wasn't posted there has to be a space between the .suggest and your msg you have it like this .suggestyour message it should be like .suggest your message. probably a typo

[autumn fossil]

So many people making bad suggestions to fix the combat that isn’t broken.

[tired ingot]

Man the suggestor bugging out is pretty lame ngl

[smoky yoke]

yes

save your suggestion
so you can send it again when the bot will work

[dense sand]

@grizzled halo Devs gonna do what they want for their vision of the game, they aren't gonna poll us has been made clear since the first QnA, it's better that way. If the devs were gonna poll every meaningful change we'd be stuck with a vanilla softcore game

[brittle jasper]

if they even take half of the "balance" suggestions we wind up with the most boiled down simple no brain game possible

[dense sand]

yeah, kinda wish they'd just get rid of suggestions altogether and if people want to leave feedback they can fill out a form

[grizzled halo]

Point was not that they need to listen to everyones opinions etc. It was more like, if they did a poll "we are looking to add a weight system to inventory" and they polled that at a 95% dislike ratio. Do you really think they should just "carry on with their vision".

Whats important is what most people enjoy. Not what the devs think is a good idea.

[dense sand]

whats important is this isn't a crowdsourced developed game, its developed by IRONMACE, not us. Our feedback is useful but the public shouldnt be making design decisions, thats on the devs lol

[grizzled halo]

Not crowd funded. But every game is funded by the players. One could make the argument that many people don't know whats good for them, since people will tend to ask for things such as "the mobs are too hard make them easier" which in turn while they wanted it, turns out it made the game boring and bland. So the people are not always right, but the people might still ditch the game in droves on day one of adding the weight system. No matter if it was actually a good change or not, people are gone.

[dense sand]

I hope you ditch the game lol

[grizzled halo]

You are very hostile for no reason. Adding clown reacts to comments that simply dont agree with you and getting mad over it. Did someone hurt you?

[trim dock]

we are all hurt when left

[grizzled halo]

I think this guy PEZ might think i caused it ngl.

[upbeat pewter]

usually dont need a poll for these kinds of things. pretty easy to see when things are bad by public reaction already, and some easier to see if its bad by engagement rates.
but theres a big thing to be said that the players generally dont know what they want in the game. great at identifying problems, and working out when a game needs something, or feels wrong, but VERY rarely good at determining what exactly needs changing.

[crimson flax]

damn tho why is he reaction spamming you LMAO

[upbeat pewter]

theres also the fact that a lot of people here seem to want to 'game' the system in suggestions, even though it wont work, in order to get their class better than the others.

[dense sand]

He wants a poll because he doesn't understand the devs can see the metrics that will determine there decisionmaking and feels entitled to RP as a game dev

[ripe haven]

suggestions are a precursor to a poll. give it time, devs will cherry pick and move forward

[upbeat pewter]

i think its more that he wants a poll so he has a reason to say that the devs arnt listening when they dont do exactly what people 'apparently' want

[dense sand]

could be both lol

[grizzled halo]

Well my point is to get peoples opinions before you launch it and find out.

@crimson flax oh yea he is super mad. Im guessing he is a kid tho. Would make sense.

[deep steeple]

I think the dev's should bow down to the collective conciousness of the playerbase and work tirelessly to a game that appeases the masses rather than their own dream game they've clearly wanted to make for a long time.

[upbeat pewter]

suggestions are more for devs to read and take inspiration afaik. nothing more than that.

and as i said, they can just be active in discord, as they already are, and get the same thing but better.

[dense sand]

i'm 9 yrs old

[ripe haven]

Discord TOU:

By accessing our services, you confirm that you’re at least 13 years old and meet the minimum age required by the laws in your country.

[deep steeple]

oof

[dense sand]

i'm 3 months old

[grizzled halo]

There's plenty of dead games out there that ignored the playerbase. If they truly want to make the game 100% theirs, i still hope its good. But you do have to worry which changes will scare away large grps of people.

[deep steeple]

TITANFALL

[dense sand]

this is a niche game that blew up, hype comes and goes what keeps a game going is the community its built for not trying to turn a game into a one size fits all

[upbeat pewter]

it doesnt seem like they are ignoring the playerbase though? they are doing a great job as is. they dont need to change.

[deep steeple]

they did create an entire solo dungeon jsut to be accessable to solo players, dispite their "we dont like solo queue" thing

[dense sand]

and then solos cried about it lol so good

[upbeat pewter]

and they balance on the fly because of player reactions, even if its wrong, like wizard buffs early last test

[deep steeple]

what they nurfed wizard early last test??

[upbeat pewter]

imo they should listen to players less than that are.
wait, was a buff. increased MM damage.

[grizzled halo]

Well i do hope they never fall into the trap of appeasing. Meaning i dont want them to be like "oh we gotta add bigger inventory to make people happy". I think players often want a lot of things that will ruin the game for them without knowing it. But if you are going to do something big at least test the waters behind the scenes. cus if you do it on the live servers people will salt over it and quit immedietly.

[grizzled halo]

Oh no they have been great so far. Nothing to worry about.

[deep steeple]

I cant wait for this game to be a Tarkov clone in a fantasy world instead of a game heavily inspired by DnD

[dense sand]

people quit regardless, devs better off sticking to their vision than polling fairweather fans in a market thats gonna be over saturated with knock offs and new competition their vision keeps their IP unique

[deep steeple]

^ this. thinking about the future this game has proven there a shit ton of demand for this niche and just like pubg more and maybe even better quaility games will eventually come out to meet demand. the dev's should keep thier vision and let others appease the masses tbh

[white cliff]

I sure do want weight systems and stamina! Sounds fun!

[upbeat pewter]

if every game went for mass appeal, and 'listening to every player', going by polls and stuff, every game would be basically the same, without any change.

[deep steeple]

and also flea market and AI scavs that oneshot you sometimes lol

[grizzled halo]

Exactly. They should not be doing appeasement polling like "would you like bigger inventories" etc. They should just keep it the way that they like. But before they do something major, like a weight system they should at least poll it and see if they stand to take a massive backlash because of it.

[dawn peak]

Anyone got any good ideas to stop the game being fully gear based without adding reposting as all the noobs get mad

[white cliff]

It’s not fully gear based.

[dense sand]

or you know not do polling and follow their data and engagements with players, which has currently been successful for them LOL

[ripe haven]

only fighter is really gear dependent.

[upbeat pewter]

why poll something when they can implement it and tweak it till its liked? like.. i literally dont get what you want, other than to have a direct say in what they do and dont add to the game, which is... something they shouldnt be listening to anyways

[grizzled halo]

Yea, make sure that the naked playstyle always remains viable 🙂

[deep steeple]

there already is a weight system, its a move slower when wearing heavier armor lol.
there's not enough inventory space for a weight system. Like in tarkov where you can stack like 500 items into vests into a backpack

[white cliff]

People don’t realize the gear disparity only exists within the higher tiers of loot.

[dawn peak]

It’s not viable against a geared player

[dense sand]

naked with a good weapon and movement speed boots is a meta

[grizzled halo]

No no. not that kind. The "oh, you cannot pick up another shield, because you are encumbered." that kind.

[white cliff]

Yeah it is, watch any of the tournaments lol.

[grizzled halo]

Naked is viable for some classes.

[dense sand]

damage outscales any armor

[dawn peak]

Please I would love to see a naked wizard 1v1 a meta gear wizard

[dense sand]

all they need is good jewelry and weapons + boots gloves hat

[grizzled halo]

Its called dodging my dude. only ZAP will make a wizard with gear able to garentee a win

[dawn peak]

Magic damage our scales any armor but armor out scales any other damage

[deep steeple]

I'm pretty sure the dev's are already tracking on the naked meta issue, but not 100%. I doubt it was in their intent and will prob get nurfed. Kinda like how having below 15 strength makes you deal less damage type of nurf

[white cliff]

Gear disparity only becomes a problem with purples and above. I’m saying you can kill someone only using started gear.

[dawn peak]

That’s not true crystal ball rondel dagger please tell me u can do what Apollo does as a naked wizard

[dense sand]

defensive stats do not outscale any damage output in this game of the same tier, its a huge issue

[upbeat pewter]

i imagine they have ideas to deal with nakeds, and ideas on the issues with peak armour vs damage issues, and will implement when they get there.

[dawn peak]

I understand but i can duo either boss w a couple pots and a campfire w starter loot so it’s not exactly hard to get high tier loot

[grizzled halo]

It would be fine if naked needs god rings to work. but running slow in a game where running is already slow, is painfull. I play only naked meta until i have god roll items.

[mossy ruin]

Is there a name for an argument fallacy where someone grabs the most exaggerated incident(outlier) to make it their point as if its the common outcome?

[white cliff]

So I don’t see where the problem is then.

[dawn peak]

You can have 95% damage reduction at all times search up videos

[dense sand]

some people just like to complain

[dawn peak]

The problem is when you fight a fully geared team w no gear you can not win or if you can it’s a critical value chance

[white cliff]

So sick of people referencing that one video lol. How often do people get 95 reduc.

[dense sand]

that build is poop and i'm tired of explaining to noobs why its poop, enjoy running that nonsense build

[grizzled halo]

Crystal dagger build is for noobs. I run a book like a true chad.

[dawn peak]

It’s very possible to get high damage reduction but it’s true it’s harder then getting high damage doesn’t mean that armor doesn’t our scale

[deep steeple]

the gameplay is slow to encourage a more casual audiance. This isnt Apex where you need to be on crack to play. I like the slow relaxing nature of the game but naked meta does not fit the setting and should be nurfed (make you take way more damage).

[white cliff]

You, absolutely can win. Watch any of the kill race tournaments from those players you idolize, they knocked teams with blues and greens out with whites lol.

[dawn peak]

Crystal ball and dagger is not for noobs that’s when you have to dodge everything w 5k worth of gear and you are a one shot table individual

[dense sand]

that physc damage reduction is meaningless if you cant move and deal damage as well as not STOPPING MAGIC DAMAGE LOL its only phys reduction @dawn peak

[grizzled halo]

Yea and if they sped it up they would probably loose alot of players. which is why i dont want that. But i do like having the option to speed up by gearing down.

[grizzled halo]

It is for noobs. Its consigning yourself to a simple playstyle of stabbing.

[dawn peak]

Greens and blues don’t matter it’s the stats in items plus I’m talking about trying to go to high roller after dying to get an actual god set without killing players takes time and without it you can’t kill anyone w good roles

[mossy ruin]

He said its only against physical, he made that point already. He is also very obviously referring to teamplay with a wizard+cleric buffing the fighter giving him haste and buffs, but alone he is basically immune to physical damage. Fighter has sprint, thats why it works.

[dawn peak]

As I said it’s just physical reduction look up and that’s why it’s a trio game primarily not a solo it’s strategy not just skill the mechanics are extremely basic and that’s why wizard is the best by relevant statistics

[dense sand]

its funny you can tell the people who don't have time in the game and just watch vids, they seem to hit that 95% dmg reduction fighter build vid and go "OMG ThAtZ OP s0 StUpEd d3vS mUsT fIx"

[dawn peak]

I’m not saying it’s stupid I’m saying damage can be outscalrd by armor and I specifically said physical damage

[dawn peak]

True wizard w book has the highest outplay potential in the game

[dense sand]

a legendary 2hand axe on a barb will still 3headshot a 95% phys reduction fighter, its been tested and proven

[deep steeple]

the game is already heavily relies on gear to determine your power. why would they want you to be able to remove gear to give you an advantage?

[dawn peak]

I refuse to believe that’s true unless he runs the least viable armor pen perk on barb and hits the one hit

[deep steeple]

not by itself. he needs perks or else it wont work.

[grizzled halo]

Thats why its for pros.

[dawn peak]

I agree and ur a chad for playing wizard unfortunately big need incoming

[mossy ruin]

I get multiple people are disagreeing with Potato on different points at once, but he is just making the point that Fighter CAN out defensive stat physical damage scaling. Although that isn't extremely common, 60%+ is still a lot of damage reduction.

[grizzled halo]

Because its not an "advantage" so much as it is a tradeoff ?

[deep steeple]

speed is a huge advantage when everyone else is slow. How is 10% more damage taken for 30% more speed a trade off?

[grizzled halo]

big need?

[dense sand]

the issue is its only phys reduction and it still doesn't outscale damage output, even with 95% phys damage reduction he can get 3-5 shot in that build if the enemy has good weapons with decent rolls

[dawn peak]

Nerf

[grizzled halo]

Its about 1 shot vs 2 shot man. You never ran the experiment it seems 😄

[deep steeple]

its defenatly not unless your enemies are running greys only

[grizzled halo]

Nerf to book or naked you mean?

[ripe haven]

high level gear doesnt matter when your victim is distracted and their backs are turned

[dawn peak]

Ok let’s do some math if you do 300 damage which is not possible and you hit a 95% reduction fighter you do 15 damage a hit meaning you would do 45 damage in 3 hits and that’s not even possible to do

[grizzled halo]

I mean. I run naked builds and i often get 1 tapped in the head by rangers. I never got one tapped with gear on.

[dawn peak]

Nerf to wizard unfortunately but I think it’s still viable because it’s an outplay character it will just get a little harder

[dense sand]

lol there are so many factors you aren't considering

[grizzled halo]

Bro just watch the video. THere is a video with 95% he takes 20 barb hits to the face and is half hp

[faint dirge]

Ok lets do some math if you fireball the extremely slow guy he just dies oneshot

[deep steeple]

95% physical damage reduction does nothing vs magic. A cleric, rouge and wizard with basic gear can shit on a 95% damage reduction fighter because they use magic damage.

[dense sand]

against a barb with bad perks and starting gear LOL

[grizzled halo]

Where did they say this?

[faint dirge]

Only the wizard tho

[deep steeple]

no, rogue and cleric do magic damage. with abilities

[faint dirge]

Still not enough, especially with rogues -50% magic damage

[dawn peak]

I considered all factors you are wrong stop typing please, I talked about magic damage and armor pen you asked about damage not being outscalable which I proved you wrong in I’m done arguing with someone who can’t do mathematics in a mathematically based conversation

[deep steeple]

a rogue running weakpoint completely negates most of the advantage 95% reduction for his entire team with weakpoint. every build has strengths and weaknesses

[dawn peak]

I considered all factors you are wrong stop typing please, I talked about magic damage and armor pen you asked about damage not being outscalable which I proved you wrong in I’m done arguing with someone who can’t do mathematics in a mathematically based conversation

[grizzled halo]

I dont think that was me man

[faint dirge]

Yeah i know, im also saying the build is not good but you said crap too

[dawn peak]

Pinged the wrong guy my bad

[dense sand]

lol you must be fun at parties ❤️

[smoky yoke]

please argue the idea not the person

[dawn peak]

I am you must not get invited

[deep steeple]

Magic damage and many abilities > high phy reduction
if you are not built to fight a tank, you should not cry when someone who builds tank destroys you lol (especially in a game balanced by TEAM PLAY and not SOLO PLAY)

[smoky yoke]

anyway there are different stats that can counter PDR
and some skills also such reckless attack, weakpoint 🤔
magic also

[dawn peak]

This was mentioned but except magic damage which is op against fighters and any class except rangers no one runs armor pen it’s not logical unless u want a full damage rogue

[deep steeple]

Anyway all, its pointless to argue more because it seems like nerfing better gear is the end goal, not balance in this case

[smoky yoke]

95% pdr may work at early wipe when no one have nothing and you are lucky with drops i guess
and playing in low roller dungeons where no one mind about builds
but it is still good anyway for the pve part to be fair

[faint dirge]

Yeah its funny that wizards are allowed to fully onehit the 95% pdr fighter with a single ignite hit

[dense sand]

he can't admit that he didn't consider all factors @smoky yoke we are wrong he is right and I shouldn't be typing anymore because I can't do mathematics

[smoky yoke]

[dawn peak]

It’s op against anything but wizards but that’s why you just have a wizard in your team

[dense sand]

that fighter 95% phys reduction is a meme pve build/noob barb/rogue/figher killer, thats it

[shell mountain]

Fighter does also take more magic damage if he's wearing full plate so watch out for that

[shy orbit]

A single rogue with poison, weakpoint, and decent magic damage would invalidate that build

[dawn peak]

Why are you so defensive

[smoky yoke]

poison is magic iirc

bery nice

[shy orbit]

It's definitely a strong build because you have to bring a kit that counters it, but it's not any more broken than a ranger with an epic longbow imo

[shell mountain]

Insta kill all fighters with this 1 simple trick

[dawn peak]

95% fighter means you can face check any melee dmg and help w bosses and pvp from far away and if u due to a rogue or a wizard just have a good team

[faint dirge]

Bosses deal magic damage tho

[shy orbit]

Actually I'm now curious, how good is 95% Fighter against the Troll

[faint dirge]

Vs troll extremely good

[shy orbit]

That's hilarious, I may actually try that; it seems like the most rewarding use of the build to me

[dawn peak]

Yes but lich and ghost are easy w cleric u just need dmg from a cleric and ranger or cleric wizard

[dense sand]

not defensive just stating facts, why are you so obsessed with the fighter meme build that is absolute dog poop?

[faint dirge]

U just need damage from one ranger and vs ghost ranger can solo

[deep steeple]

Ranger is the chad pve class

[shell mountain]

Does fighter take more damage to judgement? I'd assume so I believe it counts as magic damage

[shy orbit]

It does

[dense sand]

only good against troll and trash mobs

[shy orbit]

Judgment, Smite, and Divine Strike all do magic damage. Pretty good damage, too.

[ripe haven]

is divine strike the big cleric undead nuke?

[shy orbit]

The best thing about the 95% Fighter build is that now I'm going to be able to overcharge for greens with % Physical Reduction. I can see the gold bags now...

[deep steeple]

plate armor increases the damage you take from magic

[shell mountain]

Interesting now I know

[dawn peak]

I’m not obsessed I was trying to answer your question to which you started saying I’m not fun at parties which seems defensive to me

[dawn peak]

Tru but the best is rogue ranger cleric w pulverizer it’s 20 seconds

[deep steeple]

Smite and Divine Strike both add magic damage on top of physical damage attacks, making cleric a good canidate to take on high % reduction fighters, since he can wear the same armors

[shell mountain]

Most sweat parties got a barb a cleric and a ranger

[faint dirge]

Its 10 weapon damage not magic damage

[dawn peak]

U can’t have the same physical reduction because fighter has a perk which adds armor reduction and w a lot the judgement won’t matter as much as the phys damage reduction difference as the higher the reduction the higher each percent matters

[ripe haven]

wat the cleric undead nuke called

[faint dirge]

Divine Strike: Increases weapon damage by 10 for 20 seconds.

[shy orbit]

Oh I forgot Divine Strike is physical. So it's really just Smite/Judgment. Hm.

[deep steeple]

very welll

[ripe haven]

mico bestia uhlein

[deep steeple]

95% fighter vs 1 fireball headshot xd
who wins

[faint dirge]

Or a point and click zap
Or an ignited stab

[deep steeple]

a ranger trap with a dead body ontop of it

[white cliff]

Judgment does magic damage.

[deep steeple]

that's not was he was saying silly
he was saying the judgement damage still wouldnt be able to offset the fighter's natural ability to amplifiy armor buffs against the physical attacks in a fight

[mental lance]

Ranger being able to solo all pve content is good justification for limiting arrows

[deep steeple]

nerf ranger bc they are good at something even though they arent the meta :(

[white cliff]

Sorts by high roller charts instead.

[faint dirge]

They are pretty good tbf in every aspect of thr game

[deep steeple]

they are the most well rounded, but the meta is barb-cleric-wiz unless you have 3 crackshot rangers in one party lol

[faint dirge]

They are good vs the meta and as far as i know wizard and barb will be nerfed

[shy orbit]

You don't even need 3 rangers. 2 will do. I've rolled with two rangers before and my only job was to chase down people who managed to limp away

[long dawn]

So far my favorite play was bringing a base gear ranger into HR while me and another geard rogue bait him

[ripe haven]

nerf ranger because their class of weapon gives them range. yep. sounds about right. never mind that i can crush a ranger in two hits.

[shy orbit]

Straight out of WoW

Speaking of crushing rangers in two hits, did they confirm that Francisca + Axe Specialization is getting nerfed or what

[faint dirge]

iirc yes

[mental lance]

Thank god

[warm spoke]

buff rouge

[gloomy cradle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/739109263787425866/1053078044874653697/RougeAndRogueemoji.gif

[graceful frost]

Why are all these wipe suggestions awful lol

[gilded hawk]

How is thay awful

Pretty common way to do wipes. It might not be wanted for this game at all, but doesn't make it awful

[gloomy cradle]

Just let the devs decide how they're going to do wipes without player bias

[gilded hawk]

I agree. I'm sure they can handle themselves.

[graceful frost]

It’s not that ppl don’t want wipes almost everyone wants them. Also every 6 months is way to long in between them. Character level should not be wiped.

[deep steeple]

Everything is wiped
That's why it's a wipe and not a scub

[hoary oriole]

can i delete my suggestion i misclicked

[gloomy cradle]

I dont think so. the edit command doesnt work on this server

[hoary oriole]

damn

[gentle epoch]

why do ppl hate so much on wipes?

[hoary oriole]

they already said the game is going to have wipes so maybe because its redundant?

[gentle epoch]

they haven't talked about how long between them, personally i think every 3 months or so

[hoary oriole]

The devs probably know better is what i mean

the game and its economy is going to change a lot

[gentle epoch]

thats not the point? i think wipes is necessary, but it just seems like a lot of ppl hate the idea of it

[hoary oriole]

i think its just because its not worth discussing yet

[deep steeple]

The game already wipes every 7ish days

[hoary oriole]

also the people in suggestions dont exactly represent the actual population

[gentle epoch]

no, thats playtests and i doubt thats how its gonna be

[gloomy cradle]

Downvoting a wipe suggestion isn't going to stop wipes from happening, but it might prevent a dev from wasting their time reading that suggestion.

[hoary oriole]

exactly

[deep steeple]

Is joke hehe :)

[gentle epoch]

if u are running a pretty successful businesses, then i think they would read every thing the player base suggest, and if a big enough major hates the idea then its not gonna get added

[hexed mountain]

What the heck does dark and darker edgelord edition mean? what is that guy talking about

[hoary oriole]

i dont think its people hating the idea its just weird to specify how a wipe should work when the game isnt even finished and they already said they were going to have a wipe system.

[gentle epoch]

its not about having wipes, its more how they work and how often? its 100% worth talking about

[merry fern]

you couldn't possibly ascend to the level of edgelord you'd need to be to understand the suggestion

[hoary oriole]

so all of these wipe suggestions are based on the past economy which is not where it will be later in development

[gloomy cradle]

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[hoary oriole]

ofc its worth talking about but just not yet because we dont have the data that we would need to reccomend it in such a specific way

[gentle epoch]

no? its a very big variety, i seen 6 months, weeklys and all sorta stuff

[hoary oriole]

are you trolling me?

[gentle epoch]

homie imma say this straight, what "data" are u looking for

[hoary oriole]

???

information about how the game and its systems will function when the game is later in dev?

[ripe haven]

i like the idea of wiping gold and consumables, and rendering all equipment into grey status with no modifiers

[hoary oriole]

none of us have even played the game with a long term economy

[gentle epoch]

u know that the loot-tables is gonna be reduced and the game itself is gonna be harder, cuz its buffed rn for the 7 days u can play, but its not gonna be a big ass change, they are not finna make the game extremely different then it is now.

[hoary oriole]

i guarantee you the game and its economy will change so much even just by adding 1f, and in the future i promise you there will be other major systems changes

[rancid pebble]

I want full wipes, and in my head when I first played the game I assumed it would be like a month. Never played wipe games tho so whatever the devs pick is fine

[gentle epoch]

but thats just not true? they are gonna add many more "maps/dungeons" and new bosses gear and all that, but dnd is very pvp based, so if everyone just stays extremely geared, then it ruins the whole aspect of the game? plus in a game like this, are wipes very important, take a game like tarkov or rust, there is only so much u can do before it gets boring, but a wipe resets that whole mindset, and if they add "major" updates every wipe its gonna assure players coming back

[hoary oriole]

i am not against wipes i am against taking strong stances on exactly how long a wipe should be when we havent actually played the full game yet. you are acting like the devs are just going to have yearly wipes or something because the community didnt tell them how long it should be. i guarentee the devs understand and will make a much better decision on wipe length and specifics than us currently. they dont plan to have the same speed of progression for gear/xp from a 7 day beta to the full game with wipes. not reiterating this again so if you are going to respond lets discuss something else please 😁

[gentle epoch]

the full game is light years away, u gotta think ea, if thats gonna be wiped or no

[hoary oriole]

why do we have to talk about those specifics now then?

[gentle epoch]

cuz ea is pretty close now, and thats gonna be the most play time we have ever gotten

[hoary oriole]

and we dont know how fast the game in ea is going to be progression and economy wise is what i mean

[white cliff]

I think a three month period should be good.

[gentle epoch]

my homie 🙌🏼

[white cliff]

Who knows based on what the loot tables look like though.

[gentle epoch]

no but i still think its fun to talk about, it is a discussion channel after all

[hoary oriole]

sure but the whole thing is that I think people in here dont like the wipe suggestions because they arent super relevant rn and at least i would rather have the devs look at other suggestions rather than reading incredibly specific suggestions by people who have no idea what prog will look like even next pt

[smoky yoke]

there may be some interesting trophies, achievements, and cosmetics that will last forever
even after wipes
for what the developers said once

[gentle epoch]

ig we gotta see what we get when it releases

[smoky yoke]

yes

[hoary oriole]

taking such a strong and specific stance on fundamental systems like this is not the best way to go about suggestions imo

[gentle epoch]

to many big boy words

[smoky yoke]

not sure what we are talking about
wipes?

[gentle epoch]

ye, i asked why all the wipe suggestion gets hated on

[wanton kestrel]

Forced to wipe

[hoary oriole]

being really focused on these small parts or details of something when you havent actually experienced the system is not the best

[gentle epoch]

small details? wiping everything is a pretty big change

[hoary oriole]

wipe is already guarenteed though, its the hyperfocusing on exactly how long it should be that is the problem, and these suggestions are meaningless and wont actually do anything for the game imo

we know they will have a wipe system lets see how they do it first and then see how we feel

[smoky yoke]

it is not certain yet,
but it will be very likely to be in the form of seasonal wipes, according the dev qna of december
and they said that the important thing is that wipes should be fun

and not something you would play over and over again, not giving something new

[deep steeple]

Born to ****
Forced to wipe
:(

[smoky yoke]

they are thinking about something that can last forever between wipes
something like a hide-out maybe
for what i remember
but we will have to see later

[hoary oriole]

yeah i remember that, i think they said it was going to be something like a guild house or something

[dry tusk]

No matter how they decide to do wipes. Character names should stay with you each wipe.

[smoky yoke]

i was thinking they should at least keep the levels therefore skills and perks
but dunno
most likely they are going to wipe also the chars, not just the inventory

[rancid pebble]

as long as cosmetics and stuff stay the same any wipe time is fine

[graceful frost]

yeah i dont rlly like the idea of wiping character level. Should have some advantage for playing before tbh. especially with skill tree needing to go and level all the way back up and re pick your skill tree skills would be pretty annoying

[rancid pebble]

that would be a cool idea, then people could have a few level 20 characters. I do like the leveling process on day 1 tho

[graceful frost]

something I am curious about is there new system to replace leaderboards. I think they said it would be kinda similar to a ranked system? If they can implement something balanced like that into this game that would be amazing.

[smoky yoke]

yea seems like leaderboards are actually just temporary to make playtests fun

[ripe haven]

i hope so

[smoky yoke]

i have seen once how were leaderboards originally

[graceful frost]

I think they said they wanted something you did not have to grind 24 seven. since leaderboard players were playing like 16 hours a day. To be fair I was too cause the game is that fun lol

[mossy ruin]

Full character progression is very likely to be wiped. Starting from zero is the genre of wipes.

[graceful frost]

im kinda doubtful they will wipe character progression. seems like a not needed thing to wipe and really doesn't give you a ton of an advantage but idk. Also might depend on if they let you level past 20 for flex

[mossy ruin]

Probably going to make the leaderboards be based on pure consistency which would be the only way to adjust it away from playtime based leaderboards.

[white cliff]

You really didn’t have to play that long to crack T100 class.

Sure Top 10 are all streamers that played for the majority of the play test, but considering most people didn’t play Hr period, is it really something to consider at all?

[graceful frost]

I am saying the top of leaderboard kill grinders.

[smoky yoke]

[graceful frost]

Im just saying what they said in interviews and q n a's . the leaderboards were temporary and also they are trying to make it so you don't have to play an insane amount to get top. I mean that will prolly help but if you look at ranked systems in other games(Not saying this game should have ranks or be similar) you can get a high rank without playing an insane amount each day

@earnest dew the devs have already said there will be wipes

[earnest dew]

The game has not yet been released and even after the release it will not be in its final form. There is always room for changes in plans.

[mossy ruin]

I mean leaderboards are a ranking system, its just one that has no MMR to go with it, which is fine for bragging rights more or less.

[earnest dew]

And you disliked it before you read the sentence to the end. 🙂

[graceful frost]

never said there isnt chances for change but I mean the devs have announced wipes and there really isn't a reason not to have them.

[smoky yoke]

devs mentioned once about permanent servers
but saying like that probably it won't be easy, especially in the beginning
which leaves open some questions 🤔

i honestly don't mind wipes anyway

[white cliff]

I think if you’re somebody who played before HR was a thing you’d know how important the game mode and leaderboards are to the games health.

[graceful frost]

I am just saying what the devs have announced, the leaderboard is more of a temporary playtest thing that is either get removed or a ton of changes

[earnest dew]

Well, if the loss of some players after a couple of wipes, who does not like to lose everything acquired, is not the reason, then so be it.

[white cliff]

You do not want any of those guys running around your games. They will destroy the experience for casual players.

[mossy ruin]

PoE is a PvP loot extraction game? I didnt know that

[earnest dew]

Therefore, I suggest seasonal leagues like in POE.

[ripe haven]

good idea

[smoky yoke]

how it works in POE?

[earnest dew]

What does it change in this suggest?

[graceful frost]

tbh the only real way I see permanent servers would be with like durability on stuff along with other changes similar to make dying or losing gear happen more. And I think durability is pretty cringe

[smoky yoke]

btw
while i'm not for osts while playing in dungeons, cause audio it is seems to be very important to some degrees
i think maybe some rare ambient noise/effects could be nice for some specific point of the maps

[earnest dew]

Every few months seasonal leagues are launched, in which everyone who joins the league starts with a clean slate. At the end of the season, everything accumulated is transferred to the "main" mode. But the main reason to play the new leagues is that in them that all the new changes are made, some of which transferred into the "main" mode only after the end of the season.

[graceful frost]

eh

[smoky yoke]

yea basically the permanent servers they mentioned once

but they said it won't be easy

plus nothing of confirmed anyway

[mossy ruin]

I am saying that there is a massive disconnect in suggesting it because its good in PoE because PoE is a grind at your own pace enjoy at your leisure Hack&Slash and as far as I am aware, 100% PvE.

DaD is PvP as its primary focus and if you have non-wipe servers, you just have people who do nothing but play with their maxed out characters and harass new players.

It really doesn't fit the genre nor the present gameplay loop, for permanent servers that get no wiping you would have to expect a significant change in content. The present gameplay loop is a very big net gain type of system. Since we gain so much and lose so little, a permanent server character will be overly maxed out and dying would be a blessing to these players from time to time. Basically these servers would turn into just dueling.

If these things sound good to you, 👍 They sound whatever to me, I know if they include these no-wipe servers it will have zero impact on wipe servers because the majority of people will get bored of no-wipe and those who prefer it get a gamemode to enjoy. Those that dislike wipe would probably quit anyways so its only a +player feature in my opinion, but also one I do not care for.

If they include it down the line as part of 'extra' features, that would be great for including more of an audience.

[white cliff]

I don’t necessarily think taking things from other games, especially those which are losing players is a good idea.

[graceful frost]

Yeah perma servers could work and would need a lot of changes. However the changes I think that would work feel kinda meh to play with, again there are def other ways of doing it to. but I don't see much of an issue with wipes and personally I really really love starting fresh at some times.

[earnest dew]

Maybe you should read the suggest first?

[white cliff]

I think many of those ideas lead to the downfall of said games. Tarvocs incredibly diluted queues, Bad focus on other areas of the game namely PvE, and a whole bunch of other things.

[smoky yoke]

starting fresh so everyone starts on par

not with 99 fulgors in the stash

[graceful frost]

"read the suggestion" Nothing in the suggestion actually says something that goes against what BloodDrum said

[graceful frost]

yeah, or at least mostly par. But at least with ranger, somethin about starting out again is really fun when nobody else has stuff. idk if thats just me though.

[earnest dew]

He argues as if I suggested leaving only the perma server.

[mossy ruin]

I think i did read it, you dont want your progress wiped. I am saying it would be nice to include a gamemode for like minded people such as yourself, I expect it to have zero impact on the games major focus from a player retention standpoint.

[graceful frost]

I mean not rlly. Also again you saying "Path of Exile" Then getting mad when some people may not understand what that games system is like is kinda funny. Not saying bloodDrum did not understand or he did.

[smoky yoke]

yea i guess is true, it makes you want to build up again searching for builds ect
i honestly didn't like this type of progression because kinda the first time of this genre
but i started to like it regardless, so i don't mind wipes

and i'm also happy to see that they are thinking something that will still last between wipes, such cosmetics, achievements, trophies for what they said once

[mossy ruin]

Doesn't bother me, but how you gunna capitalize the second D and not the first letter lol

[graceful frost]

exactly. and in his system you don't get to play with the new changes for a while when your playing the mode where stuff doesn't get wiped at least from the way he explained it further up which is kinda stupid in my opinion. Its like a pve mode, shouldn't affect it that much but would me nice for some players. also BloodDrum idk how I did that lol, ig my shift key gave up

and also exactly like you said PoE is grind at your own pace and like 100 percent pve. while dad is a lot more pvp, while it has pve I wouldnt say thats a bigger feature than the pvp

[mossy ruin]

I played a decent amount of D3:RoS seasons and the non-seasonal stuff stays outdated, or it did at first, I cant be bothered playing the non-seasonal anymore because new gear is always more interesting to me. I actually do not mind if they introduce a permanence feature similar or identical to D3 or PoE, I just hope its not early on. A lot of people ignorantly quit playing a game or lose interest when they dont understand a feature that is meant to be inclusive because they fear faulted by the idea of it.

[earnest dew]

It really doesn't fit the genre
Blindly copying everything from the only successful game in the genre, without delving into what exactly makes it attractive and what repels it, has not helped anyone yet.

[hexed mountain]

what does an edgelord edition even mean? have any of you played Tarkov and can explain, that makes no sense to me. That has a lot of upvotes, but is so confusing to me.

[earnest dew]

These is a reference to dungeons and dragons edgelord meme

And in Tarkov there is "edge of darkness" edition

[mossy ruin]

Well Tarkov is an excellent example of things that do NOT transition well either though its the same genre because our combat is mostly or close range, and the time to kill is consistently longer. Although our fights are shorter oddly enough, but thats a different conversation.

[earnest dew]

Another use of the suggestion channel for a joke.

[mossy ruin]

Tarkov has durability, which I think would be cool to introduce here, but I dont know of a good way to make it interesting, its just annoying and I do not want it in a way that I can think of.

[earnest dew]

Although our fights are shorter oddly enough, but thats a different conversation.
Because oneshots are not "consistently longer". 🙂

[graceful frost]

yeah I am not a fan of durability. However it could be done right. I just think it would complicate so much, also the trading system too.

[white cliff]

No, why would that be cool in any capacity.

Why would limiting gameplay be good, weight, durability, stamina, fall damage.

[mossy ruin]

I think its in theme and interesting. But every durability system ive seen has made me want to blow my brains out. Doesn't mean I don't hope for the day.

[graceful frost]

to be honest as long as there isnt a weight system I am mostly fine. Stamnina was already confirmed to not be coming

[mossy ruin]

I mean meditation is like sharping your mind, why not have us repair our axes and swords. Its like refilling a mag, not saying we should have it, but its a thing. 🤷

[graceful frost]

I mean ig they are already doing that with ranger. but worse

[earnest dew]

Anything that distracts from the main gameplay does not benefit the game. Long equipment in the inventory before the raid, overcomplicated trade, durability system and other like this.

[crimson flax]

Its just going to be a gold sink. Its not going to be anything like sharpening or honing tones

[mossy ruin]

Yeah pretty much, but like, the gameplay is already kinda zergy, I want it to slowdown and become methodical. At the moment you have zero time prep time before a fight. Its just run at sound, surprise!, fight begins. But this is more of a flaw of the map layout and how sound carries over distance and the speed of different classes easily identified by gear. Oh well

[mossy ruin]

Well thats only if it goes as you assume, it could just be during a match your axe/sword dulls with hits until it becomes blunt reducing damage by X% value and sharping it with a stone would refine it back to 100% We already have campfires, and I am not suggesting this is a good feature for gameplay, but I like it :)

[crimson flax]

I'm afraid vendors having a repair option imply that its going to be transaction based rather than a system

[earnest dew]

There are restrictions on mages and rangers due to the fact that they are ranged classes.

[mossy ruin]

Is that unimplemented button in-game already? I hadn't noticed/referred to that here, just talking about comparing spells to durability.

[graceful frost]

u sure? There is only buy sell and quests? and like 1 other tab I think for crafting and mining

[smoky yoke]

there was "repair" and "craft"

[mossy ruin]

Either way, the tab doesn't really mean intent, ive played plenty of games that scrap whole sections like that. Also the repair tab could be we find 'damaged' equipment and we can repair it to be usable. Never know.

[smoky yoke]

under the tab of service iirc
For some of the merchants

and there was nothing
only "coming soon"
iirc but not sure about this 🤔

[earnest dew]

So far this is a stub like "weight".

[graceful frost]

ah

[mossy ruin]

Weight on the other hand, as cool as I think it is and how well it works in tarkov in my opinion, sucks completely here and if they implement it 💀 Rogues will just never pick stuff up and kill anyone with loot and wait by extracts

Or rangers too, they fast and have range, easy pickings when people are slowed by weight. I do hope we get a bit of inertia in game though, combat could use a bit of that

[smoky yoke]

in our inventories there was the stat about weight and 2 empty allocation (most likely the backpacks probably)

[graceful frost]

eh ranger isnt that fast but I see the point

[smoky yoke]

i honestly didn't see those empty slots in our inventories because my gamma very low lol
didn't see them at first glance

[gloomy cradle]

"Rogues suck so we need to nerf Wizards down to their level"

Please stop. Get some help.

[graceful frost]

That’s not what he said?

Wizard is a better rogue by a mile. Along with having amazing support and insane spells and mid range capabilities. I mean wizard is the best in the game he isn’t saying make wizard the same level as rogue he is saying get rid of the ability to play wizard and do hundreds of damage a headshot with ignite dagger

I mean I saw a wiz do 200 damage with a ignite dagger headshot on a dummy

[gloomy cradle]

Thats a lot of words that I read as "Rogues suck so we need to nerf Wizards down to their level."

I saw a Fighter with 95% damage reduction. Just because some youtuber accomplishes the impossible doesn't make it the norm

[faint dirge]

Your confusing 2 things
Meta and for fun build

[gloomy cradle]

Ignite dagger is not even the meta for wizards.

[shy orbit]

For what it's worth, your average wizard would effortlessly crush the 95-Proof Fighter

[gloomy cradle]

Your average wizard has a brown staff and is more likely to kill themselves with Fireball

[graceful frost]

You should learn to read then

Like you said “ignite dagger is not even meta for wizard” so nerfing it would not destroy wizard and put him to the same level as rogue ?

[amber solstice]

Yeah unfortunately the bottom 90%+ of wizards are the weakest 90%+ of a class.

[graceful frost]

I think the wizard issue is the scaling of will. Same issue with cleric too

[faint dirge]

I think people just suck at wizard
Combined with weak early game

[graceful frost]

Also like invis. It is also true ppl just suck

[gloomy cradle]

It's the broad sentiment behind the words that I'm objecting to.

If Wizards are better at the Rogue's job than the Rogues, how about we... idk... buff Rogues?

[faint dirge]

Yeah lets keep an extremely playstyle alive for no reason

[graceful frost]

Or make it so wizard isn’t able to do everything. Insane damage with daggers along with great support and range

[gloomy cradle]

Every Wizard spell is a skill shot with different range, projectile speed, and projectile width. It's not as easy to play as holding W and clicking heads. Especially since the blocking/parry system is so inefficient.

[faint dirge]

Yeah man extremely hard to use spells which you can’t learn in 5 minutes
Also every spell is not easy to understand and has each has 102837 cases to use in and you have to use it different every time

[gloomy cradle]

"Insane damage with daggers" This is not true. What you keep referencing is outlier. Ignite is one of the least picked spells. Check #development

"Great support" Wizards have second best support in the game. That's only because the only competition in this category is Clerics and like 1-2 skills the Barbarians might bring. The bar for this is negligibly low until they add other support classes (like Bard)

"Range" Again, extremely low bar as the only real competition is Rangers and the rare Fighter with a crossbow.

[mossy ruin]

tbh, wizards make pretty good assassins though, would be nice if rogue poison was tweaked in some way to make it compete with ignite

[faint dirge]

I think you should take a walk in the park and stop trying to be bias before you enter a discussion

[mossy ruin]

Btw wizards have throwing knives AND crossbows LOL, and ignite works on crossbow so idk whats happening in this discussion, Wizards really do overlap with rogues a decent amount.

[shy orbit]

I'm not sure most wizards even realize they can use crossbows

[faint dirge]

Yeah ignite crossbow might be cracked but throwing knifes and crossbow without ignite suck

[gloomy cradle]

yeah idk what they were thinking with crossbows. If Wizards have them, everyone should. Throwing knives on Wizards are a meme as well

[mossy ruin]

All i am saying is Wizard continues to out 'option' Rogue, he is better at being a Wizard than he is at being a Rogue but hes better and being a Rogue than a Rogue is.

[faint dirge]

That is not true

[mossy ruin]

Wizards are literally bards, rogues, and themselves a wizard.

[faint dirge]

A rogue uses hide not to be offensive its defensive and enemies are supposed to walk into you
Wizards invis is offensive your supposed to walk into the enemies

And both classes just oneshot everything if they are allowed to stab the enemy

[mossy ruin]

Ok semantics, yes you are right, rogue has niche scenarios where he excels but the baseline of wanting to stab someone to death very fast and very surprise factor-y wizard does win with less gear. And if the stabbing fails wizard can haste/invis away or zap to finish up, Yes rogue has sheathe weapons.. and dagger throw but zap definitely hits more often and idk i could keep going. Wizard gets to play like an assassin, Rogues are like, hit and run harassers, they literally skirmish, and when they get crossbows its going to make more sense to play that way, but rangers already do that better tbh cause of traps. Idk rogues are just goofy, I still love them though.

[faint dirge]

About everything you said is wrong
Wizards have Great support but not because there is no competition

[mossy ruin]

Also I agree with you here, Wizard has insane support, haste is like.. insane, where is its downside slow thank you.. and ignite on teammate is decent but unnecessary when you can just haste+invis BAM WAM

[faint dirge]

Ignite is not worth taking to be supportive because your mates dont stack magic damage and exept for cleric who doesnt want to hit anyways have low will
Ignite is purely self buff

[ripe haven]

wizard is just a better rogue

[mossy ruin]

Yes im aware, but its pretty decent early wipe for supporting a teammate

[gloomy cradle]

That's kinda what wizards are supposed to be. High variety and high utility magic

Rogues are supposed to be similar but skill based. They're falling behind though with only 2 skills

[graceful frost]

High variety=/ able to do pretty much every aspect of the game best

[mossy ruin]

I get that, but rogues dont even have access to bows.

[shy orbit]

All rogues need is like an extra 4-5 damage on their starting Rondel and a few other tweaks upward

[gloomy cradle]

Not the Wizards' fault

[faint dirge]

The damage scaling on zap and ignite is way too high it has to be nerfed

[mental lance]

Wizards are better rogues than rogues with gear 100%

[glacial sphinx]

nah 4-5 is insane, rogues pretty okay as it is maybe 1-2 max

[mossy ruin]

fair enough, wizards are strong though, I hope they find a way to fix things, I think movespeed atm is a tad fast for all classes

[mental lance]

Haste should not increase movement speed and wizard invis should break on movement. Bam wizard balanced

[autumn fossil]

why not just delete those spells if you are going to nerf them that hard?

[graceful frost]

Invis shouldn’t give a movement speed increase haste is fine tbh. Also nerf scaling of will cause it’s completely insane. And I am a fan of replacing invis with a small teleport type spell but idk

[glacial sphinx]

rogue starter gear is okay, I think the stealth class should be pretty bad with starter gear to not be annoying

[mental lance]

Those are the spells let wizards be better rogues than rogues

[glacial sphinx]

invis should be self cast only, and wiz should have more base dmg less scaling with gear

[faint dirge]

Haste should make you faster but not increase action speed, damage from zap and ignite lowered late game but buffed early and invis should not give movespeed or the spell should be removed its way too toxic and player will cry later

[graceful frost]

I mean another main with is the will scaling with if ignite. I have seen a wiz do 200 damage headshot with ignite dagger and 150 of that damage came from ignite purely

[graceful frost]

Amazing 👌

[glacial sphinx]

thats not will its +added dmg, and its probably on a dummy which takes additional magic damage

[faint dirge]

Thanks

[graceful frost]

Also will gives magic damage? You for. Do 140 extra magic damage with attributes Lmao.

[glacial sphinx]

will is a percentage increase, which is basically nothing on ignite. 30% of 5 dmg is still crap. Its the + added damage

[graceful frost]

And yes it’s on a dummy but it’s like 10 percent increase so it’s only takes around 20 more damage

[graceful frost]

But added damage plus will? Unless will only goes off base damage which I don’t think it does.

[gloomy cradle]

New Rogue Skill - Scroll of Invisibility
User becomes invisible and gains a 10% Move Speed bonus for 3 seconds. 4 uses, replenished at campfires

My work here is done

[faint dirge]

Ignite late game can deal 166 damage on dummy, so its about 150 with 0% damage reduction

[graceful frost]

I mean either way the reason ignite dagger wizard does so much damage is from the scaling with ignite. If it’s either plus damage with will or just plus damage or something like that

[graceful frost]

Yeah, I have seen 200+ too

[faint dirge]

I think its that +magic damage apply on both ticks form zap and ignite

[faint dirge]

I meant without the physcial damage tho, physical was 56 more (on the dummy) iirc

[glacial sphinx]

yeah thats what it is, the game needs to reduce +added damage on gear by like 30%

[graceful frost]

Ah my b

[lethal drift]

Add the Great Sword as its own weapon. slightly better reach than the Long Sword but slightly slower, can block the same as the Long Sword, his riposte can be a quick, long stab

[smoky yoke]

the dragon slayer great sword

[dawn peak]

What if the game dies

[lethal drift]

then I die

[gentle epoch]

its pretty unrealistic

[graceful frost]

with 100k players the first day of a playtest I doubt game death is that big of a concern

[shy orbit]

Yeah it has more engagement in alpha than Rumbleverse did ever. RIP Rumbleverse

[rancid pebble]

Im all for the latest buckler buff, in the suggestion channel

[shy orbit]

I'll admit my opinion of the buckler got more favorable as I played the game

I initially believed it to be outright trash. Then I realized it was lightweight trash that doesn't blind you much.

[rancid pebble]

I watched the uberkist vid with graysun, and when he gray said 'a lot of things arent figured out yet because of how short the playtests are..' it made me realize that buckler could be a really good high skill option

Once people have a couple thousand hours, a fighter with the buckler vs one with a diff 1h shield will win, simply from the skill difference in hitting the blocks

[shy orbit]

I can already PvE most things with them, up to centaurs

But against players, blocking feels inconsistent and not very useful even when you succeed

So the -7 move on a buckler is pretty nice in itself. Lighter than a dagger even

[rancid pebble]

tbh I think some really good advice to newer players, and even experienced fighter/clerics, is to use shields on PvE. Its shocking how many people dont get in the free practice

[shy orbit]

Definitely. It helps you understand your own hitbox a little more intuitively too, and how it relates to your vision

[crimson flax]

You know. I do agree with the fact we need wipes, but I also wonder if they'd do any seasonal content

[atomic mountain]

Like seasonal rewards? They better. I don't play games that have wipes if there's nothing that carries over wipe to wipe. Accolades, achievements, titles, cosmetics, emotes, something, anything.

[smoky yoke]

they said most likely things like trophies, achievements, cosmetics
so there is a possibility

[proud bay]

My only request for what to do regarding wipes is that our characters turn into level 1's instead of being deleted so we keep our names.

I would like the wipes to be every 2-3 months but don't think we have enough accurate data on how it will feel for obvious reasons since looting is so crazy right now.

[smoky yoke]

while i understand that, because i like to keep my chars' names
i think it kinda look not logical nor fair to some degree

[opaque shore]

I like saving my name, I hate having it stolen so I'm with you there

[deep steeple]

you bet im showing up to next wipe with the name OrlanthiTTV

[smoky yoke]

[atomic mountain]

If they do some sort of name saving mechanic, it will likely have to be tied to character level. (Ex: If you reached level 20 with a character, you have the option to reserve/keep the name going forward, but if you just held onto the name and didn't level the character it would be up for grabs)

[crimson flax]

No more so meant mechanics and different pieces of gameplay. They used POE as an example, which basically has content added for a few months which may or may not be reworked or merged into the main game, sometimes having a new theme or adding a general new flavor to things. Might not exactly fit DaD but just gives me an idea is all

[atomic mountain]

I assume they will do something like that. No reason not to imo

[crimson flax]

I wouldn't know what they have planned. I'm sure they have a billion ideas given how modular and expansive the systems really are

[lethal drift]

Add the Great Sword as its own weapon. slightly better reach than the Long Sword but slightly slower, can block the same as the Long Sword, his riposte can be a quick, long stab

[atomic mountain]

🤷‍♂️

[slate tartan]

No

[atomic mountain]

Source?

[slate tartan]

common sense, its a hardcore style game where comms are not so intricate as to warrant a ping system, they aren't going down that path

[atomic mountain]

So no source then

[faint dirge]

Trust me bro

[graceful frost]

Eh it could happen

[slate tartan]

they could make this game 3rd person too

[atomic mountain]

Exactly what 🤷‍♂️ meant

[faint dirge]

Nah just trust him bro

[graceful frost]

My bad my bad

[faint dirge]

Why are you using 🤷‍♂️ and not 🤷‍♀️ are you sexist?

[atomic mountain]

We don't know. Suggestions have been made asking for one, but it's up to the devs to do as they see fit. @ocean star

[graceful frost]

Ay don’t forget 🤷

[faint dirge]

Person shrugging with white T-Shirt now its getting racist

[graceful frost]

All t shirts matter

[atomic mountain]

🧙‍♂️

[faint dirge]

[graceful frost]

[turbid ermine]

[astral vortex]

I see some people suggesting other extra uses for soul hearts but I think that could incentivize the wrong type of behavior

[tight gale]

Wdym? Constant team killing?

Not 100% sure what you mean but my guess is team killing. I dont think it really would, dogtags exist in tarkov, and i dont think it should be anything major maybe a mid rarity utility like green-blue maybe even lower heal or shield pot. Or lots of souls for a green blue or purple armor or weapon.

[astral vortex]

Yeah but you can't revive with Tarkov dog tags right?

[tight gale]

Oh, wdym tho

What would it encourage that would be bad

[astral vortex]

It could encourage and/or reward negligent team work too

[tight gale]

I dont agree with that

[astral vortex]

you don't have to that's ok

[tight gale]

Your teammates carry loot too so if you accidentally kill them you could get their loot and gear

[tight gale]

Most chill dark and darker discord member

[astral vortex]

I can just picture some scum bag (prolly a twitch streamer because they always seem to be doing the dirty like that lol) being like "Oh no wouldn't it would be terrible if i just let my team mate die right now when there's no chance of us getting to an altar so i could gain a free soul heart"

[turbid ermine]

Already discouraged by karma system. Along with tk for loot

only an issue for people without fixed team too

[atomic mountain]

I think the suggestion for using soul hearts as currency/reward for the enemy team was contingent on the idea that the entire team they killed is now dead. (Can’t even loot them otherwise).

[white cliff]

Does the karma system even do anything.

I know people where having their friends upvote and downvote them based on what color name they wanted, but I don’t think it has any ramifications at all.

[atomic mountain]

It’s just cosmetic afaik

[glacial sphinx]

Don't like the idea of soul hearts as currency because what is the goal? Making player killing more incentivized? I'd say there is incentive enough since everyone is already doing it. More rewarding? I'd say killing players is rewarding enough, often far more so than killing monsters and giving soul hearts value just detracts from looting treasure.

[white cliff]

If that’s the case I don’t think team killing is discouraged by the karma system at all.

[white cliff]

People have suggested using it as an alt currency or something like that.

[atomic mountain]

Well for one I don’t see it as problematic and it could be used in all kinds of different ways. Maybe it could be purely cosmetic “Souls collected stat” or a title achievement “Soul Collector”. Buy cosmetics, donation only currency, whatever.

[glacial sphinx]

Fair enough I guess I don't find it a super interesting idea either way since it'd just be a thing you always loot if its any good then, besides I think a huge majority of player interactions already turn into fighting each other and its actually more interesting if it stays a bit more grey.

[smoky yoke]

i think if you have the blue name, you should gather just a tiny xp boost/slightly more adventure points (if they will still exist)

but not sure if it does make sense anyway 🤔

[atomic mountain]

I mean you have to make it a priority to get up voted pretty often to get any use out of that or you’d be lvl 20 by that time anyway

[glacial sphinx]

not for adventure points. But they could just do a debuff on being red instead

[smoky yoke]

[smoky yoke]

for example? what type of debuff for the fellow traitors

[glacial sphinx]

as you suggested I meant, adventure points gain for example

[smoky yoke]

ah i see

there should be some bonuses and maluses imo yea
at least at some degree
so it can also kinda fight teamkilling

[atomic mountain]

I feel like it does what it’s supposed to do already. If there’s some stat/exp benefit tied to one or both then we’ll see people gaming the system just for a stat bonus and it would lose it’s meaning imo

[glacial sphinx]

Nah definitely never a stat bonus, if you're referring to attributes that is. But a -adventure points % on red is fine or some other downside. I don't think there needs to be a bonus.

[white cliff]

The gameplay loop is team based fighting, there’s no incentive to teaming and the game certainly doesn’t encourage it.

[glacial sphinx]

What? There is absolutely an incentive to teaming which is it makes certain challenges easier and can help you get out with loot at times. And even if there wasn't it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be perfectly fine for there to be one. But this isn't even an incentive to teaming, its the absence of yet another incentive for killing other players which the game doesn't need because there are tons already and its one of the most common things

Some of the more interesting gameplay moments I've seen is players interacting in other ways than instantly killing each other. Temporary feeble alliances that either lead to one dying or betrayal or some other kind of memorable moments

[gloomy cradle]

@thick jungle The 👍 🤔 👎 in #d-and-d-suggestions is not actually indicative of the opinions of the player base. Merely the few the who go in that channel and actually see your suggestion.

I think the devs actually agree with your sentiments, but they're a small group and improving combat is further down on the list.

[glacial sphinx]

Think Snix also formulates his suggestion in a pretty grating way, like I actually agree with the overal point that gear currently matters a bit more than it should in terms of pvp outcomes, but then the way he phrases it or suggests some other mechanics that I'm not in favor of make me not upvote his suggestion

[gloomy cradle]

Also true. I often describe combat for classes other than Ranger and Wizard to be just holding down the W key and left clicking on heads

It's a problem, but the concern of making skills > gear is understandable. It is a scavenger game, so good gear should feel rewarding.

[median shale]

just solo wizard stop complaining

[cold condor]

Agartha has all that ("skill based" combat, low-impact gear).Yet gameplay there feels very lackluster when compared to DaD.

[glacial sphinx]

The way I see it, the power curve should be something along these lines: In starter gear you're at about 30% of your maximum potential power. In full uniques/legendaries/BiS gear clearly that should be 100%. But then you probably want people in blues somewhere around 70-80% and epics at 85-90%. White gear maybe around 50% and greens around 60-65%. That way there is very meaningful progression early on when you transition from a free set to actual valuable gear, but at the higher end where both players are risking a meaningful amount the differences are smaller and can more easily be overcome by good play.

[cold condor]

I agree that gear power level should be toned down a bit, especially +damage and +all stats modifiers.

[gloomy cradle]

That's not really what they're saying though. They want player skill to have a bigger impact.

[dawn peak]

What if the game dies?

[gloomy cradle]

If the game dies, you die irl

[dawn peak]

But What if the game dies?

[crimson flax]

This guy spamming this across every channel again?

[gloomy cradle]

I just blocked them. Nothing I can do about it without breaking #📜rules 1-3

[cold condor]

Which isn't a useful suggestion, since it has zero details on how to achieve it. Might as well suggest for male players to have bigger dicks.

[gloomy cradle]

Yeah, that's what we're saying. Dude mostly just complains about gear strength, throws the word "parry" out there, and then complains about downvotes. I agree with their sentiments, I would like to see better combat gameplay myself, but they're not exactly writing The Bible 2 in their suggestions.

[dusk canyon]

Yes snix people don't want this game become mordhau

[atomic mountain]

Simple isn’t always bad
Complex isn’t always bad
Most people disagree with one of these statements

[crimson flax]

But but muh skill!!!! I perform well in mordhau but not das!!! 5here mist be a problem with the game, not me!!!

[dawn peak]

What if the game dies?

[ripe haven]

Everything dies. It won't be for a good long time.

[dawn peak]

But what if

[white cliff]

What if you got muted for spamming this?

Like most things, we won’t know till it happens, but we can speculate.

[dawn peak]

i alrady have been

@white cliff why so mad almost like u got a dnd deficiency

[white cliff]

I’m not the one spamming channels my guy. You seem like the one with some type of deficiency; probably not DnD related though.

[dawn peak]

@white cliff i mean im not here mad im asking a question which i have 0 interesting answers to also im not spamming with a negative intent ive asked the same question multiple times for a good reason

[thick widget]

I am so excited for the upcoming kratoss boss

[atomic mountain]

Tell whatever fable you want lil buddy
The mods aint buying it and neither are we 😋

[amber solstice]

The game will die sometime this century. Graysun will cry at it's funeral and give a very memorable eulogy.

[atomic mountain]

Nah, they’ll just make the assets public one day and we’ll keep it alive with mods and private servers

[dawn peak]

@atomic mountain do i care if you are buying it Its a genuine question ive been playing the game for two playtests and can now speed run the game I can do everything the game has to offer me and players like me would probably get bored in about a month of playing so think before you talk. Also dont tell me its easy to add more content thats not repetitive because new maps are cool but dont change that much and bosses are hard to add and easy to master

[atomic mountain]

Where is the confused emoji

[dawn peak]

I mean u are monkeying me but i guess u just dont see howplayers like me view the game but thats a good thing because it means it is a minimal part of the player base meaning it wont die

[amber solstice]

Games this good don't just die on their own. They have to be horribly mismanaged, and even then games can still succeed. Their credo is basically we won't mismanage this game and they haven't done anything to prove that they will so far. Is it going to be the world's most popular game? Not at all, that's not what hardcore games try to be. Will some people only play the start of wipes? Yes, there are plenty of FOMO fresh start gamers that like 2 weeks of no disadvantages and then rotate through a bunch of games like that.

No one needs to play it all day every day for it to be worth buying and have a healthy population. The fact that you are even here asking means you probably don't have anything better to do. You don't want it to die and neither does anyone in this discord. They will be adding tons more content. It won't be instantaneous but it will come. There's a reason why so many people literally can't enjoy other games anymore and are begging for earlier playtests and early access. The very core of the game by itself is better than most games in their entirety.

[white cliff]

Are you on the leaderboard, if not you didn’t do everything the game had to offer.

Repetitive games die? Tell that to cod and halo that have existed for a decade lol. Games have gameplay loops, they don’t cover every single aspect of everything.

[dawn peak]

Firstly leaderboards are dumb but I was on them and leaderboards are made for ppl like me to grind for but its not fun for instance look how oralnthi got no 1 treasure hunter or how barb is highest kills by far yet lower survival rate

[atomic mountain]

Your wisdom is wasted on some people.
But, I still love you for being such a beacon of positivity and reason.

[turbid ermine]

Technically the worst surviveability is on ranger

[crimson flax]

This potato guy definitely is a potato, that isnt wrong

[atomic mountain]

Trolls know their own game well enough to recognize bait

[silver umbra]

Heck ye, well said friend.

[crimson flax]

I just wish if people were gonna troll they'd do it better man. Some of them on here are way, way too boring

[atomic mountain]

It’s funny when we’re all in on the joke, or when it’s a little subversive or clever or literally anything that isn’t dead ass obvious lol

[crimson flax]

Aye. Or repetitive. Like damn. Spamming a channel until someone responds? Its just desperate. Its sad

[atomic mountain]

The saddest shit I see is people repeating suggestions they know will go well just cuz they’re bored

[smoky yoke]

💡

[fiery ledge]

It could be avoided by just not talking to the non-regulars. But then the community...

There's a lot of fresh accounts out of nowhere all the time and a lot of regulars pretending to be other people and others just enable it so - to take a stance is kind of like, well how involved do you really want to get.

[tight pagoda]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

I’m convinced we downvote everything this guy says just to fuck with him at this point

[atomic mountain]

The downvotes are what he feeds on lol

[dull ivy]

I mean... nothing wrong with suggesting a good ost. Definitely something that takes either resources or finances, but tends to be good for games

[keen summit]

what is the "underwater suggestion" about the only water ive ever seen was like knee height

[faint dirge]

There was one room scuffed room

You could walk underwater and it didnt affect you at all

[keen summit]

ty ill try to find it on youtube i thought it mightve been a solo map thingy

[dull ivy]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
not sure if other classes Need additional heals, as most of the classes Have methods of healing as it is (several have healing abilities, and the rest would be item management).

...that being said, I kinda assumed others like Bard would have that.

[atomic mountain]

I think combat heals will always be few and far between. But as they add more classes like the bard and druid we’ll get more class healers.
Impo I think some classes should start with some more basic (consumable)heals as part of their starting kit

[fiery ledge]

https://youtu.be/_0awVq3ZVxk?t=562

not my vid, just time stamped at the loc

really nice room btw, 2 skeletons, maybe a mimic or two, 2 pukers, and like 7 mummies - bunch of chests underwater, lots of barrels and vases all stacked up on each other

[keen summit]

wtf ive never seen that room

[fiery ledge]

its part of why i like it so much, its usually out of the way (on the edges of the map)

[keen summit]

i like the look oof it tbh but i hope that wont lead to swimming being added

swimming and climbing ladders often the most awkward movement mechanics in games

[fiery ledge]

only time will tell, they could make it a kill feature that requires you to have a certain spell, skies the limit

[white cliff]

Known troll, been here since PT2.

[tight pagoda]

That would make sense

[storm gyro]

have you guys seen this video about AI anti cheat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkmIItTrQP4 its very cool

[inner thorn]

shooting from deep water to players upper while being invincible will be pretty bad. it already not working well in some games

[smoky yoke]

seems interesting

[storm gyro]

i think the player identity thing is cool, would work well in a game like this where gamesense is everything

[smoky yoke]

makes sense
i think AI anticheats could work very well in future, especially how ai is evolving
also seems like even gabe newell is sharing kinda the same opinion about it

[keen summit]

well i wouldnt know why it is the way it is but i suspect its just a water texture overblown on accident but y that kinda stuff can lead to rly annoying deaths

[stark anchor]

If AI gets better, then this is definitely the way to go. Takes the role of community moderators who used to make sure their servers were cheater free

[storm gyro]

i hope the devs consider it

[stark anchor]

Sounds to me they're more concerned with game design atm, but hopefully they keep this in mind

[stark anchor]

tbh, make this a suggestion or something. Get the devs aware of this

[storm gyro]

yh cheating was getting pretty bad at the end of last playtest (it is a suggestion lol

[stark anchor]

well it got my upvote then lol

[keen summit]

ive not finished watching the video on ai anti cheat but since valve got named as far as i know their focus with their anti cheat is to make it as accurate as possible so you can actually be sure that there arent any false positives

[storm gyro]

yeah true it would suck to get false banned , but i feel like a couple independent moderators to review the AI data could resolve that issue

at least it could be used as an amazing flagging tool to accelerate human moderators

[rancid pebble]

any news on why dark and darker was taken off of steam?

[smoky yoke]

It drank an invisibility potion

[rancid pebble]

...

[rancid pebble]

do you have a link to ironmaces website by chance..

[smoky yoke]

the official website of ironmace is: https://www.ironmace.com/

[rancid pebble]

at least they still have their site, hopefully they can rebound against nexon

[granite plinth]

What's happening between them and Nexon?

[storm gyro]

whats a presskit

[smoky yoke]

it is a package containing logos, screenshots, official artwork of the game

[storm gyro]

718-87-02610 is their business number is there any way to view stuff with that

[rancid pebble]

go ask some korean nationals ig

[faint dirge]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
25% is way too high

[silver umbra]

I guess....Make it comparable to other class specific weapons

Wizard is already OP lol

[steep ocean]

Bro is trying to censor the whole community with the neo-liberal bot

@granite plinth explain your self and your little censorship

[granite plinth]

its a game, not a political square

[winged venture]

its an RPG if i want to role play as a politician than you will have to deal with me and my constituents

[steep ocean]

Then dont bring your auth far-left censorship here.

[stark anchor]

nexon is dumb

[plucky nexus]

fuck you nexon

[white cliff]

He's a troll don't feed him.

[graceful frost]

Dont feed the 's

[dark rune]

Good news everybody!

Every character will be perfectly balanced once all the code is deleted

[upbeat oar]

Good news, no one knows who you are or cares enough to find out!

[valid lagoon]

Be like thepiratebay and launch DnD on a satellite to prevent takedowns.

Don't use spaceX becase that will take it's self down.

[frank bloom]

yo

[shadow sigil]

I prefer to reply to stupid messages with instructions rather than giving the answer.
Teaches people to think for themselves, and use that search engine in our pocket ever since most people were kids.

[crimson flax]

hey can we ban the koreaboo that hates ironmace yet

[deep steeple]

RIP general chat 15 min slowtime lmao
PS guys i have a theroy based on avalible information

[faint dirge]

Feed us

[deep steeple]

So

1. Dark and Darker used its hide skill on the steam store
2. Previous fast work speed of the devs
3. Steamdb has all old videos and screenshots of page removed, but "early access" tag added

[crimson flax]

ironmace teaming up with nexon for the strongest marketing campaign of alltime

[deep steeple]

4. onepeg dev QnA devs said all of their marketing budget was gone due to high server costs for a million players

what if to fund the next round of testing, and confident in their developed content, that they will skip the playtest and just go EA

[atomic mountain]

Can you rephrase that in English maybe?

[deep steeple]

TLDR, confident, competent, fast working devs with no more server money possibly release EA as a way to get server money for next round of testing.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah that’s impossible it would be considered a freezable asset

[deep steeple]

peak concurent players everyday were ~100k
servers are usually like $6 a month (with bulk discount) and cant just buy 5 days of servers, each server can run 1 game of 21 players each, 100k/21 = 47,619 servers concurently
with 6 dollars each is ~285k.

of course they prob got a deal with a huge server provider just for 7 days, but with all the different regions and stuff i cant see it going below 100k total (~2$ per server)

[atomic mountain]

Would be FROZEN ASSET until proven that the funds weren’t acquired during the commission of a crime

[deep steeple]

why do u keep saying that, they are in korea not the US, also the TWO SEPARATE police raids got 0 evidence of any crimes
nothing is frozen and "everything is fine, no delays to development will occur"

[atomic mountain]

Ok bud. I’m not in support of the cease and desist. But facts are facts, and they would have legal grounds to prevent them from collecting funds illegally. Which is plausible enough to warrant a court order, thus it wouldn’t be a reach to freeze assets. It’s not on the Steam store for a reason lmao

[autumn fossil]

who would have these legal grounds to prevent them from collecting funds?

[deep steeple]

where are you getting this info from? just the fact the steam store no longer has Dark and Darker?
the devs, and news sources have said there are 0 issues with nexon and they will cooperate with police fully, becasuse there is no crime, and without that they cant just freeze assets

[atomic mountain]

The lawyer who made them remove it from the store wtf is not clicking for you guys

[autumn fossil]

there isnt a court case or lawsuit yet... there wouldnt be any freezing of funds

[deep steeple]

if you got sources, post em, im intrested

[autumn fossil]

you clearly dont understand what has happened

[atomic mountain]

Cease and desist isn’t just a casual Friday thing lmao

[deep steeple]

wait he's actually not joking

uh oh LOL game over

[atomic mountain]

They were told to stop development on grounds that it’s plausible a crime was committed in the production of a product. Thus they wouldn’t be able to keep producing it, nor selling it

[autumn fossil]

nexon's lawyer issued a C&D along with a DMCA takedown... both of which arent court ordered. anyone can do these things at anytime... if IM wanted to keep the game on steam they could. they are the ones that choose to take it down. you should research these things before talking

[atomic mountain]

And it would be easy AF for their lawyer (which is what I meant) to petition for their assets to be frozen. Its not a crazy impossible thing.
They will not be able to sell the game to fund the legal team. Stop being crazy.

[autumn fossil]

they actually could keep going. they could release it right now if they wanted. it would just be bad if nexon filled a lawsuit and they lost

[deep steeple]

#📢announcements message
in case yall haven't read it yet

[autumn fossil]

im sorry but you cant just freeze peoples assets because of a petition without a current case

[atomic mountain]

I could go kick someone in the head too, because freedom. But it wouldn’t go unpunished lmao get a grip

[deep steeple]

DMCA takedown is pretty serious

[graceful frost]

I mean its not just a petition lmao? I mean this has been going on for a while with 2 searches of Ironmaces building along with a real case going on. There assets could be frozen. and it becomes a even worse issue if they sell the game and then use that money they most likely have to pay all that money back plus more

[amber solstice]

At least in America all it takes is a party to say they own it, provide any semblance of documentation, and file it. Platforms assume guilt until proven innocent to protect themselves until it gets figured out.

[autumn fossil]

exactly

[graceful frost]

I really hope ironmace is clean. It could end up really good for them i feel like if they win too. But not sure if thats actually what would happen

[atomic mountain]

Trust me I want Nexon to fuck off too, my argument was that there’s no way in hell they’re gonna be able to release the game, sell copies, and then use that money to fund anything.

[graceful frost]

which is completely true

[atomic mountain]

Freezing assets is easier to do than getting a warrant for someones HOME

[autumn fossil]

the last part of what you said is true. but the freezing of assets would need to be court ordered. which would take a while and would need enough evidence for a judge to do it... which isnt even close to where this is at.... all that has happened was nexon lawyer typed up a C&D letter and filed a DMCA takedown and delivered it to IM... we know nothing more than that.

[graceful frost]

and even if they tried it would go horribly, prolly lead to worse situations, and if they lose it would be even worse

[atomic mountain]

Which they got, TWICE

Bam I think you’re confused I’m not saying that their assets from investors or whatever current assets they have would be frozen I’m saying that if they put it up for sale and then generated millions of dollars because of that they wouldn’t be able to use that money it would take like an hour to get the court order

[autumn fossil]

I fully understand what you are saying. and it isnt even close to being true

[atomic mountain]

Ok, stay in school

[graceful frost]

honestly I am with Dolan on this one. and if you really think what he is saying isnt even close to being true you should prolly provide some evidence 🤷‍♂️

[atomic mountain]

Let me ask you a question

do you think a company has more of a right to their place of business and their privacy or the money that they generate?

[deep steeple]

lets just say the facts there
there IS a CEASE AND DESIST
they cannot work on game, nor release it.
I don't see why any financial assets would be frozen, and there is nothing to suggest this is the case

[deep steeple]

Korea =/= USA
unless you're going to tell me you know Korean law very well

[atomic mountain]

Yeah I’m sure crime works differently around the world. Theft is theft, assault is assault bud

If a lawyer told you to stop doing business because you stole their idea you wouldn’t be able to keep the store open so your customers could fund your legal expenses.
I mean you could do it physically until they go to the judge and send cops to your place because you didn’t stop lmao

And they already had enough legal grounds to invade their privacy TWICE

If you think they’re gonna be able to put the game on sale to make millions of dollars without repercussion during a cease-and-desist and a DMCA you’re delusional

[deep steeple]

i dont think you realzied i looked up the situation, im not thinking they are gonig to do that lol

[atomic mountain]

Well that’s all this whole thing started
All the frozen asset talk stemmed from your premise

[autumn fossil]

well you could just keep going and tell the lawyer to filed a lawsuit. then if you didnt do anything wrong you could just win in court

[amber solstice]

Cease and Desist from a lawyer is very different than from a court. It's literally them just saying we will pursue legal action if you don't stop now. Which they are already doing anyway. Honestly feels more like the raids didn't work, what other options do we have?

[graceful tulip]

As upset as I am about this situation, everyone pushing out there anger on reviews is just going to make things worst. Best thing you can do is start mass Twitter posts, reddit posts, emails to Nexon support. Let them know your frustration without posting false reviews over a game. I get Nexon is a shitty company but false reviews will not do anything.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah of course you can but that doesn’t mean it’s ridiculous to think that it would be easy enough for them to get the assets frozen if they try to sell the game right now xD
That’s all im saying

[uneven hearth]

You don't have to false review. Just play one of their games. You will find a reason to give a bad review. Trust me, I know. I've tried enough of them.

[deep steeple]

see i wasn't aware of the serious situation when this convo started, i was just memeing at first

[atomic mountain]

is getting beat up and you wanna make jokes about them doing troll shit
Big funny

[autumn fossil]

IF the judge agreed, yes, he could freeze assets. but that judge would need to see enough evidence to do it... which the judge would require more evidence to freeze assets than to open a case... which hasnt been opened...

[atomic mountain]

They got raided twice

[graceful tulip]

Yeah, I completely agree they don't make great games. My whole thing is that false reviews will not help anything. Theres so many better things that could be done instead to make real changes.

[autumn fossil]

raided or looked into because someone was accusing them of something so they needed to see if there was anything there?

[atomic mountain]

The police invading your privacy is called a raid

The police didn’t break down doors, but they definitely had legal grounds to if they needed it. Stop the delusion please

[autumn fossil]

ok, im guessing you are in your teens and dont understand how pretty much any of this works. do some research.

[atomic mountain]

Personal attack because you are losing the argument. Hold this L

[autumn fossil]

"stop the delusion please"

[blazing mesa]

Review bomb nexon

Kart rider (download game, play for 1 min then review) (Also on app store)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1184140/KartRider_Drift/

TalesWeaver
https://www.taptap.io/app/26602/review?hreflang=en_US

Blue Archive (app store)

MapleStory M (app store)

[atomic mountain]

You called a police raid “looked into” gtfo

[autumn fossil]

The police invading your privacy is called a raid

[uneven hearth]

@autumn fossil Just look at his pfp. That's all you have to know about his response. If there was someone arguing his point, he'd probably switch sides just to keep trolling.

[autumn fossil]

good point

[atomic mountain]

They won’t be selling the game.
If they did the money would likely be frozen.

[graceful frost]

I have never seen such clowns

[atomic mountain]

What a crazy idea

[graceful frost]

Also I love when people say “do some research” or I have done the research. And then don’t provide any evidence or proof or facts to back them up

[atomic mountain]

People that don’t even like me are agreeing that what I’m saying is not outlandish what does that tell you

[stark anchor]

That you found common ground on something. You could both still be wrong though (btw haven't read this whole thread, just that that point doesn't actually mean much)

[atomic mountain]

I don’t like the truth, but it is what it is

[atomic mountain]

It’s a better point than “look at his pfp” lmao

[stark anchor]

Fair enough

[autumn fossil]

provide evidence of what exactly? understanding how a C&D letter works and knowing that a judge would want enough evidence of a claim to freeze assets of company's accounts?

[uneven hearth]

Maybe they want you to explain in Korean?

[autumn fossil]

lol

[graceful frost]

I mean you have given no points saying that "they wont be selling the game, if they did the money would likely be frozen" isn't a true claim. Also again they have gotten multiple warents, they can just as easily freeze

[atomic mountain]

The judge required evidence to invade the Ironmace headquarters. You don’t think they’d have enough to freeze revenue? Cope more dude

[uneven hearth]

That's Dolan's claim isn't it.

[graceful frost]

thats what he has been arguing with the entire time? I mean I find dolan really annoying at some times and I am agreeing with him. thats how you know its bad

[uneven hearth]

There is nothing to support it either.

[atomic mountain]

It’s not a factual inevitability, it’s a highly likely outcome

I can drive around in a car reported stolen but that doesn’t mean it’s likely that I’ll get away with it

[uneven hearth]

That's under the presumption you did something wrong though.

[graceful frost]

when your defense is saying there is nothing to support Dolan's side, in response to me saying there is nothing to support your side, when Bam has been saying how we should "do some research" how "im guessing you are in your teens and dont understand how pretty much and of this works"

[autumn fossil]

Its almost like a judge would have do looking at it and decide there is enough evidence to freeze the accounts....

[atomic mountain]

And I never said that was true or not true. I just stating the facts they had enough evidence to raid the headquarters twice I’m sure they would have enough evidence to support the freezing of assets generated by an allegedly stolen game

[graceful frost]

are you a judge? Have you been to law school? Do you know a judge? Have you analyzed court cases to see how they would rule? Do you actually have any clue what your saying? I mean they have been raided twice and have a warrent for it? I dont find it to absurd that they could get there accounts frozen when then sell a game for money while the assets of that game are under investigation?

[atomic mountain]

This whole argument started from a meme about
“Well they should just release the game in EA and use the money to defend their case”

[uneven hearth]

This is why I said it's troll. It's a pointless argument. No knowledge will be gained from this.

[graceful frost]

Im done know. This will go knowhere, we have both given sides, and you have not given anything saying the opposite? I mean they have given enough to raid ironmace twice and look for stolen assets. Also the company is most likely under investigation in some sense. So it isn't crazy that if a company under investigation for stealing another companies assets goes and sells those alleged stolen assets to people for money, it is very likely those funds will get frozen. I am done with this unless you give some sort of actual argument, or good point.

[atomic mountain]

Sure, they could, but likely wouldn’t get far.
Revenue generated would likely be frozen very quickly.

[autumn fossil]

The bar is higher to freeze assets than to look into allegations of stolen intellectual property

[graceful frost]

and how do you know that?

[uneven hearth]

The same way we both know they could freeze assets if they sold the game. Common knowledge.

[graceful frost]

wait wait wait dolan are u reading this?

[graceful frost]

you realize the entire thing bam is arguing is that they could not freeze assets of they sold the game? Your agreeing with him and calling us clowns, and then say that

[autumn fossil]

woah... might wanna go reread everything i wrote before you look stupid here

[atomic mountain]

It’s so much easier to look into a companies books or contest revenue than it is to raid their private headquarters you’re crazy.
Businesses actually have to open their books to agencies on an annual basis with no claim of “we think you illegal”
They do not have to do that for a private place of work

[graceful frost]

I mean the last while I have read I have only seen you saying there is not enough to freeze assets. I mean all Dolan is saying is if they went to sell the game they would have there assets frozen.

[autumn fossil]

ive actually just been saying a judge would need to look into it and decide to freeze them... yikes

[timber seal]

I suggest sending both Mr. Epic Sweeney and Mr. Gaben Valve an email asking for a buyout. As soon as one of them sends an offer just leak the deal and Nexon will drop the charges faster than a first time solo red zone adventurer takes to die. Worst case scenario you guys get an offer good enough to just buy Nexon as revenge.

[graceful frost]

lmao ofc a judge would have to be involved, same thing with a warrent and lawsuit? I mean dolan has been saying if they sell the game they would get there assets frozen. You have replied to that saying that is not true? If you were only arguing it would need to go through a judge, which is obvious then I saw nothing indicitive of that

[autumn fossil]

yeah go reread everything. you clearly missed a lot of what i said.

[atomic mountain]

The two police raids had to go through a judge. What is your point lol

[uneven hearth]

A DMCA and C and D isn't as hard to get as you think. Whether you are experiencing harassment or infringement of your copyright, sending a cease-and-desist letter is an option available to you. They are relatively simple to write up and you don't even need an attorney to serve them. -Legal Zoom

[autumn fossil]

yep

[atomic mountain]

Yeah nobody is saying that a cease and desist is a court order

[graceful frost]

I mean what is your actual point? Please elaborate? If your point is it would have to go through a judge that is completely obvious and idk why we are arguing. I mean you say your point was "just been saying a judge would need to look into it and decide" Which is obvious and common knowledge

[graceful frost]

not rlly talking about dmca or c and d

[uneven hearth]

This is just a troll argument. You're just arguing to argue basically, and everything hinges on the dmca and C&D to even have the arguement at hand, so... what?

[graceful frost]

Cause I mean the main point Dolan has made is if ironmace sold the game, there assets would get frozen. You have replied to that, and called him stupid and a "teenager that doesnt know anything" however if you are replying to him and calling him stupid, when your point is you had to go through a judge, it really doesn't make any sense.

[atomic mountain]

If they had legal grounds to get the police to raid a private business place of production, it’s highly likely they’d be able to freeze assets if the business continued to operate after a C&D

[autumn fossil]

yeah, it doesnt make sense because you are leaving out the first part of everythign that was said. there is an order of how things like this happens. he says that "if they sold stuff now assets would FREEZE!!!!" well that isnt exactly true because a judge would need to decide to do that. NOW lets not forget about the order of things again. what has happened so far

[atomic mountain]

I never said a judge wouldn’t need to get involved
And he already has been involved, TWICE they got raided

[amber solstice]

How about that weather we are having my fellow humans?

[graceful frost]

dont see how that changes anything. Nobody said a judge didn't need to get evolved? You see how stupid your "argument is"

[graceful frost]

Its raining tears of dark and darker players from the sky 😭 😭 😭

[uneven hearth]

@autumn fossil At some point, you have to stop feeding them.

[graceful frost]

when he says feeding them like we are the ones trolling LOL. you know its bad when someones argument is a judge would need to get involved. when nobody said otherwise or disagreed

[atomic mountain]

It’s called the “spin”

[graceful frost]

da monkey spin

[autumn fossil]

nexon has accused IM of thief of IP, a judge decided to look into and issued a "raid" or just looked into, they "didnt find anything", nexon pushed it, judge looked into it again, "didnt find anything", nexon issued a C&D + a DMCA (both of which people can do with any fake reason they want). that is where we are now... to LEAP to freezing an account a judge would need to believe that there is reason to do this.... which,from what we know, is a LEAP. but we dont knwo much so maybe it isnt a leap.

[atomic mountain]

Maybe we should attack their pfps or tell them to read more 🤷‍♂️

[graceful frost]

was I ever this bad when arguing if I am im bouta delete discord

[atomic mountain]

Nah you just biased, we all biased

You’ve never been completely out of touch with the premise of the argument at hand

[graceful frost]

we arent leaping to accounts being frozen we just said if they were to sell the game, the most likely outcome is assets being frozen. Which I feel like is common knowledge if a company under investigation(ironmace kinda is) goes and sell the thing that is under investigation it is very likely that the assets gained from that sale will be frozen

[atomic mountain]

Sometimes you just got bad takes imo
But I can’t fault you personally for that.
I had bad takes about the trade system until I started focusing on the problem instead of the person lmao

[autumn fossil]

are they "kinda is" or are they not?

[graceful frost]

lol. What I have gathered from bams argument is that we should nerf wizard, which makes ranger arrows change a bad change

[graceful frost]

I mean idk if they are under a full legal investigation. I mean they have gotten raided twice which I would say they are under some sort of investigation

[autumn fossil]

I just dont think you know what a C&D letter and DMCA takedown is... it seems like you guys believe this is all much further into a legal battle than what is

[graceful frost]

not rlly. we are more focusing on the fact they have gotten a warent to raid ironmace twice

[atomic mountain]

I rarely even mention those two factors

If Nexon had enough for a judge to approve police physically investigating Ironmace TWICE, I think it’s safe to say they could temporarily prevent Ironmace from profiting off a game still under legal contention

[autumn fossil]

"raided" or did nexon accuse them of stealing so people needed to look into it to start the process of everything? i mean a "raid" would be the first thing happening

[graceful frost]

hes full outa touch now. I give up, hes all yours Dolan

[autumn fossil]

true... unless nothing really came of it... and the C&D letter and DMCA takedown isnt proof of something coming of it at all

[atomic mountain]

It’s my personal belief that this is all just a PR stunt by nexon to show their shareholders that they’re not just going to do nothing.
But that doesn’t mean that they couldn’t take things further

[sudden glacier]

Im dreaming right now, this is not real

[trim dock]

cease and desist is just what companies do to scare people with empty threats - it doesnt mean theres any evidence for their claims, hold the fort yall

[graceful frost]

im kinda in the same boat. I really don't think ironmance stole anything. I feel like the fact that both searches didnt get anything, and now nexon has gone to a c and d and dmca which are kind a downstep from a search. It really feels like Nexon is grabbing at straws. but also extreme bias

[autumn fossil]

true

[trim dock]

#FuckNexon

[graceful frost]

#FuckNexon

[autumn fossil]

exactly... so if ironmace sold their game right now and a judge felt the same way you are feeling... he probably wouldnt be freezing assets

IM are just doting their I's and crossing their T's

[graceful frost]

thats not rlly how it works. If there is any sort of investigation or question on if the assets are stolen. Selling a game with those stolen assets, would be a big no no and would lead to frozen assets

[sudden glacier]

i know but now we have to wait a lot

[atomic mountain]

I mean typically they are used as scare tactics, but they did it after two soft police raids so who’s to say they didn’t find anything? It’s all speculation aside from what happened and what didn’t

[autumn fossil]

how do we know they are under investigation tho?

[atomic mountain]

Maybe they’re reaching, maybe they’re not

[trim dock]

A cease and desist order is different from a cease and desist letter. The main difference lies in their legality. Letters have almost no legal standing. Orders do. A cease and desist order is granted by a court, and it serves as a temporary injunction. The party that receives the order must stop what they're doing until a trial can be held. After the trial, a permanent injunction may be ordered.

[autumn fossil]

and there isnt any "or question on if the assets are stolen" its only if they are under investigation. if they arent, people can accuse them 24/7 of anything they want... they could still sell the game

[atomic mountain]

Yeah I’m aware it wasn’t a court order

[trim dock]

they were just served a letter, not an order. Its not scary until we get into an order, that means there will be delays until trial is held.

[graceful frost]

we arent rlly talkin about the cease and desist

[trim dock]

read the annoucement. all there is is a letter.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah but they complied right
Do you think they’re just doing it to be nice or…?

[trim dock]

hard to say until we get more announcements

[mossy isle]

probably just to show that they have nothing to hide as to not resist a shake down

[autumn fossil]

people dot their i's and cross their t's all the time with stuff like this

[atomic mountain]

I’m not saying I believe Nexon has a strong case or is in control. But I’m not coping to the point where I think this is just horns in traffic

[trim dock]

im staying optimistic until ironmace says otherwise - the announcement as is gives me no reason to worry - they have no reason to lie as they arent making any money from us yet

[atomic mountain]

We’re all free to stay optimistic until we start twisting facts and terms around to support our personal hopes and dreams

[trim dock]

whos twisting facts?

[atomic mountain]

I’m not saying you are
I said We
It’s a cautionary argument, not a targeted one

[trim dock]

literally all thats happened is lawyers have taken money from nexon, i say let them keep taking money until the court says something we have nothing to worry about

idgaf what a lawyer has to say - tell me what the courts say and ill listen. Ill trust Ironmace over Nexon all day anyday

[atomic mountain]

Time will tell. I’d love to know the factual details at some point. This shit sucks

[trim dock]

lets just hope korean legal system isnt as pay to win as their games are

im reporting nexon to #1056520745330675763

[sudden glacier]

The agony I feel is incomprehensible to any living organism

[cunning elbow]

Korean? Maybe the DMCA went to steam and this is now in the US legal system? So many unknowns

[trim dock]

yes its a steam dmca - nothing legal has been done yet, its literally just nexon making accusations - cease and desist letter is not a legally binding thing either, a cease and desist order is when courts get involved. letter =/= order

[cunning elbow]

Waiting for them to start issuing strikes against twitch and YouTube...

[atomic mountain]

I hope comes out ok, but their position is not looking good 🤷‍♂️

[sterile plaza]

Quick rundown on the legal situation?

[atomic mountain]

It’s obv complicated because we don’t 100% know all the details as it isn’t a public trial or anything lol
But
Nexon turned up the heat on Ironmace by sending a cease and desist letter and filed a DMCA claim with steam to get the game removed from the storefront. There is still a lawsuit filed by Nexon against Ironmace citing “intellectual property and trade secrets” because they allege that the idea for the game originated under Nexon and when employees leaked game assets and left they stole the idea of the game.

[trim dock]

pretty sure there is no lawsuit against ironmace as a company - the lawsuits in regards to that are to individuals (who are in the company) - sounds like semantics but its a difference

[atomic mountain]

Why bother typing if you aren’t sure. Tab out and go look it up

[trim dock]

The devs have stated this multiple times... why so salty that i simply correct your misinformation?

[trim dock]

I want to address certain rumors that have started to circulate and reassure Dark and Darker fans that ABSOLUTELY NO stolen assets or code were used to make our game.

Our code was built from scratch. Most of our assets are purchased from the Unreal marketplace. All other assets and all game designs docs were created inhouse. This has already been audited by an outside agency. As far as we know you cannot copyright a game genre.

**Regarding the lawsuit, we consider it a separate personal matter claimed on one of our team members. No lawsuit has been filed against Ironmace. Regardless, we believe in our teammate and we look forward to the resolution of their personal matter. **

Building games is hard enough without all the rumors and distractions in our industry. This is why we chose to handle matters privately, in respect to our peers in our industry. We’ve reached out through our back channels and do not believe the recent rumors were intentional and believe they are likely due to a disgruntled 3rd party. For now this will be our final statement on this matter. We are ready to defend if necessary but we prefer to focus our energy on bettering our craft. We have a lot of work ahead of us for the next playtest and we’ll let our work do the talking.

Finally, we would like to thank all our fans for their kind support. You are the sole motivation to build bigger and better.  As always our aim is to stay directly and openly engaged with you.  Thank you for your support and we hope to see you in the dungeons soon!

[atomic mountain]

A statement isn’t a fact
Why are you so hung up on speculation?
I’m just trying to answer the dudes question in the fairest way possible

[trim dock]

not that hard to go to announcements and scroll up a bit 🤓 Then why are you making speculation about there being a lawsuit? like what? atleast i have evidence for my claim. stop being salty you are proven incorrect time and time again lol @atomic mountain - just dont spread misinformation K?

[atomic mountain]

There is an open case bud

[trim dock]

against ironmace? proof?

bruh this is like 8 pages in korean lol atleast give me a key word to ctrl F

[atomic mountain]

It’s a good long read so you probably shouldn’t be back for a good hour. If you are I’ll just assume you’d rather use “statements” as evidence rather than find out what you said you wanted to know

[trim dock]

i ctrl F and hit lawsuit - only thing that comes up is exactly what i copy and pasted.... so again. wheres your proof?

[atomic mountain]

Keyword Case? Lawsuit? Use your brain jesus christ

[trim dock]

did your read what i said - literally only thing that comes up for lawsuit is exactly what i copy and pasted - this is a bunch of nothing. why are you so hostile?

[atomic mountain]

How am I the one hostile when I wasn’t even talking to you what you started jumping on me about semantics
Go away lmao

[trim dock]

you are the guy that just always has to be right i see. dont like when people call out your misinformation. It makes you look pretty egotistical and sad. Again - all im doing is correcting misinformation. its nothing personal - ive been doing it to everyone here.

[smoky yoke]

let's be kind please

[trim dock]

Have I said anything inappropriate? If so what was it? just so i know what language to avoid in the future

[smoky yoke]

Please remember, links are only allowed to be shared from trusted sources: YouTube, Twitch, Reddit, Imgur

[spark ingot]

jesus man chill out

[trim dock]

what do you mean? again all im doing is correcting misinformation

[atomic mountain]

Ok its just a wiki url

[smoky yoke]

thank you for your understanding

[atomic mountain]

Is wiki not on the list?

[trim dock]

regardless, that link said nothing about a lawsuit against ironmace, so confused why you even linked it at all

[smoky yoke]

only other sources that are deemed trusted by a Warden, and I don't deem that as such
but you can always dm wardens about links

[turbid ermine]

1984

[smoky yoke]

just a remind to prevent possible conflicts, was not directed to anyone

[trim dock]

got it - i think we are all in a high emotional state from this tragic news - i dont mean to insult anyone, but i wont hesistate to call out misinformation, even if it gets people to insult me for no reason

[atomic mountain]

Its an open case, in the US that’s a lawsuit, wether its pursued by the government or personally

[turbid ermine]

"tragic" justice will solve this in time, just be patient

[trim dock]

wise words

[turbid ermine]

just may take a year or more with how nexon runs these things, lots of delaying

[smoky yoke]

we must believe/support Ironmace

[trim dock]

im not worried about any delays until i see courts getting involved - a cease and desist letter has no legal ramifications - but i do fear that may be yet to come.

[wintry terrace]

with all due respect fuck nexon eunuchs, and I encourage you all to boycott every of their p2w projects

[turbid ermine]

I mean it for sure delayed launch. Game is currently off steam. Atleast till either legal team takes action

[atomic mountain]

“Cease and desist letter has no legal ramifications” cope harder wow you down bad

[turbid ermine]

I was doing so since Mabinogi

[trim dock]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/cease_and_desist_letter "a cease-and-desist letter is a non-binding letter and does not have a legal effect"

[wintry terrace]

at least if ironmace wins they can demand reparations for every damage in e.q PR in d&d

[atomic mountain]

I guess Nexon just out here writing strongly worded greetings cards lmfao

[trim dock]

learn to do some research buddy

[trim dock]

@smoky yoke im being attacked again by @atomic mountain for simply stating facts, idk what his issue is but can you give him a warning please

[turbid ermine]

I mean, it may not have any actual legal power by itself.

But it is a great tool for litigations and it may cause platforms and publishers to drop you to avoid any form of issue, just in case.

[atomic mountain]

It’s not legally binding as in it’s not an order by an official, but it does involve legal ramifications, such as litigation aka ramifications

[trim dock]

itt can be used as evidence in future litigations, it is not litigation itself - read the link, or is cornell a bad source? 🤣

[atomic mountain]

If you’re going to get on me for using improper terms can’t be out here doing the same thing bro 😂

[trim dock]

you seem to be conflating a letter with an order.

[atomic mountain]

It’s tantamount to a legal threat, yes

You said “no ramifications”
A follow up lawsuit pursuing damages would be a ramification my G

[smoky yoke]

please be kind Dark and Dolan

[trim dock]

A cease and desist letter may be sent by an individual or a company. It is a request but it may be followed by legal action if ignored. - it is not legal action itself.

[smoky yoke]

btw we shouldn't really argue about this, we should wait for future announcements and support Ironmace 🙂

[trim dock]

again im just trying to correct the rampant misinformation from the trolls here - but you are right its really not worth the effort, trolls will be trolls.

[atomic mountain]

What did I say that was uncalled for? Cope you’re down bad? Wow we’re getting real lax on rule interpretation here.
I’m bouncing before I get warned again for not being nice to someone clearly hell bent on harassing me

[trim dock]

🤔

[trim dock]

maybe this was a little rude? idk.... whos harrassing who again? 🤔

[turbid ermine]

Yet regulary it seems enough for platforms and publishers to run off scared. As has been the case

Which may be an issue since Ironmace was using steam for tests and release

[trim dock]

i have a feeling they are trying to get ironmace to settle out of court, Nexon is probably trying to get their grubby little hands on a piece of the pie

[turbid ermine]

Ye, that just means that we may have a resolution in several months

[faint dirge]

Your just as rude

[trim dock]

you are entitled to your opinion, but id have to disagree.

[atomic mountain]

I wasn’t even trying to argue I was talking to somebody else completely when this dude jumped on me Silm.
I don’t react well to that, and that’s on me

[trim dock]

@smoky yoke you are more than welcome to read the exchange and judge for yourself - again literally all i did was point out his misinformation and he started to attack me and insult me - i have not said a single insult.

[faint dirge]

Yeah your 🧂 reaction isn’t provocative at all?

[trim dock]

maybe uncalled for, sure. still not an insult. (and im not wrong either lol)

[faint dirge]

You are

[trim dock]

this isnt the place for arguing, so ill just say w.e floats your boat brother

[faint dirge]

Thats like starting a fight by provoking someone and then running while crying to your parents because he hit you

[smoky yoke]

okay don't worry you all, let's change the topic. Let's not create more conflicts.

[tropic hazel]

This place would be the place not for arguing if general didnt have a 15 minute timer

15 minutes is just literally insanity without any sort of joke in this sentence to be perfectly honest, there is no way to have a conversation it's like a forum

[smoky yoke]

this channel is meant to discuss about suggestions in first place 😄

[trim dock]

all ill say is if you cant see the tone of his replies, then you might not be fully paying attention, lets leave it at that. Again, all i did was point out misinformation and I got insulted before I even added those emojis, and if you think emojis are a reason for insults, idk what to tell you 🤷‍♂️

[faint dirge]

There is no channel for the nexon matter

[smoky yoke]

in #off-topic-archive the timer is around 15 seconds
while in the class channels, there is not even a slowmode timer

it is 15 minutes right now just to avoid further spam, because what happened recently and it will be decreased accordingly

[faint dirge]

As the warden said stop arguing like a kid and follow your parents advice

[tropic hazel]

Ah yes, the "don't talk about it" approach ok china

It's not illegal to have opinions nor share them no matter how strong they are

[faint dirge]

?

[smoky yoke]

also please don't antagonize with emojis

[faint dirge]

I actually dont understand what u mean

[tropic hazel]

Idk what's hard to understand read the conversation all the context is there

[atomic mountain]

I don’t even see the off-topic channel right now 🤔

[faint dirge]

Wdym „dont talk approach“

[tropic hazel]

"there is no channel for the nexon matter" literally sounds like you're trying to get people to stop talking about it

Why do i have to explain to you how basic english works

[smoky yoke]

yea right, it is temporarily locked for now
just meant that there are/were channels to have discussions with no issues about the slowtimer mode

[faint dirge]

I want the opposite
Because you didnt understood my basic english

[trim dock]

go to the barbarian channel, im sure theres plenty of intellectual discussion there

[tropic hazel]

ok seriously to be fair i dont care also you literally just made a grammar mistake in that sentence so don't argue about me not understanding your english. I'm done arguing

[trim dock]

You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes ya feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah. You're right. I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you, but I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what you want about me. I'm not changin'. I like me. My kids like me. My friends like me. 'Cause I'm the real article. What you see is what you get.

[faint dirge]

Bro i said there is no channel for nexon matter as in we need one for that

[atomic mountain]

conclusion jump activated
(Respectfully and jokingly and kindly)

[trim dock]

❤️

[trim dock]

i have a feeling they dont want it to be discussed right now - maybe theres a way we can contact nexon to express our dissapointment on their socials

[faint dirge]

Giving Nexon attention is dumb

[trim dock]

nothing like a trending/viral # to get a companies blood pumping - companies hate public drama

#FuckNexon #SaveDarkAndDarker #BoycottNexon

[atomic mountain]

It’s about as effective as crying babies in movie theaters stopping movies from being made

[faint dirge]

Its hard to tell if your joking especially after you proved your not the brightest

[trim dock]

i respectfully disagree - we have seen time and time again how negative publicity via social media can make even the largest companies buckle - perhaps yall just dont pay attention to the news

[atomic mountain]

Eryk chill you’re going to get baited into a mute that’s what they want

[tropic hazel]

I'm sorry but i literally want to SEE WHAT THE FUCK is getting autofiltered.

Holy fuck let's start with the 15 minute timer idk how can anyone stand conversing here so this will be my last message here, not to mention the fact this message got filtered for literally words that i've never seen censored anywhere, twice

[faint dirge]

Stating facts is not bad

[trim dock]

only in the dark and darker discord can you say fuck, but you cant use a clown emoji

[tropic hazel]

I have 0 idea how is there literally anyone who supports Nexon here, complaining about how far down our throat ironmace's pp is. I've never played DaD personally but I support the game for what it is. What the fuck is up with these nexon pyops sent here to cause chaos?

[atomic mountain]

Lmao

[faint dirge]

😄

[trim dock]

its mostly trolls, although there is some people who are just genuinely misinformed - best to just ignore them and let the devs sort it out.

[tropic hazel]

Nexon, your games are fkn dog poop, nobody gives a single f about your pooparse 2d [insert anime lover]/[insert anthro animal lover] game and I say this as one. Your pay to win CS piece of crap or that stupid a$$ shooter game you literally named in a way that makes it sound like what you'd call a full diaper.

IT WAS F WORD

[atomic mountain]

Who is you going off about? @tropic hazel
People in general aren’t here with us

[trim dock]

if im being perfectly honest - aside from the dev Q&A and the announcements channel, this discord is literally just a toxic cesspool, only reason any of us are here is because we have an unhealthy obsession with the game.