suggestion-discussion

[left slate]

its a pretty huge perk

[ebon idol]

Also, how about hitting the head oneshots on the rogue

[left slate]

?

[torn orchid]

thats skill based

[left slate]

imo every class is doing alright balance wise except for wizard

[torn orchid]

a good rogue can mouse swing dodge

[left slate]

^^

some weapons

[torn orchid]

i think cleric is op

[left slate]

a lot swing in wars that can't be ducked

[torn orchid]

needs slower movement

[ebon idol]

[lusty wren]

OK your trollin

😄

[left slate]

idk the mace is gross and the ability aoe is gross aswell

wizard and cleric fs need nerfs

[ebon idol]

Ability aoe?

[left slate]

mostly wizard though

[twin delta]

50% on a 17 damage hit is only a total of 25

[torn orchid]

bruh, ranger has a bit of wood and string why does a fat cleric move faster

[left slate]

^^

[lusty wren]

YOu are failing to add every other modifier they can get

[left slate]

nerf wizard movement aswell

[ebon idol]

Because he wears a dress.

[left slate]

plus most of the time you won't be doing 17 damage to start

[twin delta]

i'm adding the modifiers that are used

[left slate]

20 dmg rapier + ambush + poison weapon + weakpoint + backstab + headshot

[lusty wren]

No you are assuming basically a lvl 1 rogue with no gear and one perk 😄

[ebon idol]

Ranger is so slow because he is carrying his infinite ammo lol

[left slate]

adds up to be good especially when you are considering you are likely to get two if not three hits

[torn orchid]

that gone after 1 or 2 succesful escapes

bubble thats fair

[left slate]

give ranger limited ammo?

[lilac locust]

hey yo how about removing it huh? or giving your rogue a hook to catch easier???!

[ebon idol]

I also think that is a bad idea.

[torn orchid]

bnut his reload and draw back and arrow drop negates the infinte arrow

[ebon idol]

An unprepared ranger should not have a sure way to escape by just running faster.

[torn orchid]

until skill has been acheived in which case the lvl goes up accordingly

[ebon idol]

But giving them limited ammo would be a gamebreaker.

[left slate]

as in haste and invis spell, i think wizard being squishy but having the highest base movement speed is fair.

but yes give rogue roadhog's cook + his heal on 15 sec cooldown for maximum fairness and fun for all

[torn orchid]

and thats why i keep as much distance as possible

[left slate]

^^

ranger is super positioning based, you get the huge advantage of ranged and powerful attacks

[torn orchid]

if i see buffing happening i go to the furtherest escape path and open the door in advance

[left slate]

if you manage to get jumped it be on you to survive it

you get a sword aswell

[ebon idol]

I am a cleric, I had to follow a ranger for about a minute and literally punch him dead because he would have escaped otherwise.

[lilac locust]

5 strength bro every character in this game can 2 tap wizard now

[torn orchid]

litterally of the first 1 in 3 rng mob kills

[ebon idol]

Nobody gets to tell me the cleric is too fast.

[left slate]

you can't get to the wizard lmfao

and he can two shot entire squard

[lusty wren]

cleric is one of the slowest classes in the game

[left slate]

haste invis make it so solo wizard actually holds an advantage over squads

seems insane to me

[torn orchid]

i wouldnt call them powerfull with a naked bow

still takes 6 arrows to down mobs minimum

[left slate]

better invis than stealth class, better movement than rush down class + insane damage + ability to damage multiple targets

????

[torn orchid]

unless theyve already taken dmg somewhere

[left slate]

insane choice

[fallow harness]

They’re still glass cannons

[ebon idol]

Plus literally paper if you get caught with an arrow to the head you die instantly

[left slate]

yea add it in a group and suddenly the wizard is protected at all costs and never left alone

[twin delta]

no matter how good the frontline does protecting the wizard

[torn orchid]

any1 tried a 3 fighter combo

[left slate]

• a glass cannon shouldn't be able to escape situations in which they got ambushed/ outplayed

[torn orchid]

its pretty fun ngl

[fallow harness]

So you get your ranger to focus wizards while you’re melee distract, either close the distance and use consumables or back off and trap

[twin delta]

you can still hit the wizard in the head thanks to arrow drop

[ebon idol]

Wizards also have footsteps, if you get flanked by an invisible wizard, you really need a headset.

[torn orchid]

never had a wizard do that

[left slate]

ranger cannot challenge a wizard in dps or 1v1, jiggle peeking with spells does to much damage to said ranger/teammates to make it viable

[fallow harness]

Wizards do really good in the open spaces, getting them close makes em panick

[left slate]

gl getting them in close

plus even then haste invies

[ebon idol]

Appearently he also has infinite spells.

[left slate]

wizard would be fine without those spells as they are

[torn orchid]

das why you dont jiggle againsta wizard who can deasl splash dmg

[left slate]

make it so you can't move during your invis, and can only cast haste on teammates

[fallow harness]

If that’s the issue then don’t solo and either bait trap him or 3 arrows to the head

[left slate]

maybe up damage a little to compensait

[left slate]

? who falls for traps, plus i dont play solo

[ebon idol]

The group being pushed by the border.

[torn orchid]

nah just slow the cleric by like 4% and all the classes will be instantlty balanced in solos and groups

[ebon idol]

Everytime.

[rugged pilot]

everybody if you don't do it infront of them

[left slate]

the main issue is wizard's kit allows him to escape situations where they got outplayed

[fallow harness]

Then teamwork being priority you should win, if not then that’s the problems

[ebon idol]

If the wizard can escape, you were outplayed.

[rugged pilot]

a ranger that sets up traps minutes before a battle is genuinely uncounterable

[fallow harness]

I main cleric so I have no issues bashing wizards

[left slate]

the problem is when you outplay the enemy team wizard still gets away for free

[torn orchid]

thats why u jump over them, if its a dark doorway throw dfown a torch in advance

[left slate]

also yea traps are super east to see

which is fine

[rugged pilot]

he always will

[ebon idol]

Can't confirm that.

Cope harder

[left slate]

exactly, wizard shouldn't be able to escape situations where they got outplayed

[torn orchid]

yeah ive killed to many wizards to say they are op tbf

[fallow harness]

Same 😂

[left slate]

plus cleric gets high magic defense

[rugged pilot]

You didn't outplay him, because he easily escaped

[left slate]

he easily escaped because he out ran me

to be clear

[rugged pilot]

then outplay him next time

[left slate]

90% of wizards are farm bait

[torn orchid]

when a wizard is around play the room first then the player

[left slate]

easy

[fallow harness]

Exactly, I play to my role, I don’t go facings barbs bc that’s death, I can take most everything else east

[ebon idol]

Fireball barely does anything, their cast time is pretty long, they get a limited amount of spells per fight, what the hell give them a break. If anything their scaling is the problem, not their spells or mobility.

[rugged pilot]

throw something at the wizard

gg

[left slate]

fireball nerf was unnecessary tbh

[rugged pilot]

fireball nerf was a BUFF to wizard

[left slate]

high dps is not the problem with wizard

[torn orchid]

thats the nature of aoe classes

[left slate]

a class that is weak in hp and takes a long time to cast should be rewarded with high dps

[torn orchid]

^

[rugged pilot]

Wizard is not an AOE class

[left slate]

^

[fallow harness]

I will agree that the invisibility is Kinda bs for a wizard

[left slate]

yea

[rugged pilot]

Reducing splash damage BUFFED wizard, he can now point blank fireball more often

[lusty wren]

The utility of the wizard is likely going to stay seieng how they eventually want it to be the utility support where as the sorcerer will be the NUKER

[rugged pilot]

he could sustain 2 splashes before, its now 5

[left slate]

other than that wizard is in a great place that rewards careful play and ability to use skill to beat opponents

[fallow harness]

Well as the skill and perk system is, you can kinda pick HOW you want your character to be, as either I can be a Attack Cleric, or Healer, or PVE cleric

[left slate]

haste invis just makes it so wizards don't have to play careful, and can escape bad situations they got themselves into

[left slate]

cleric is balanced great imo

[fallow harness]

I know I love it

[left slate]

good dps and health, but still a great support

[rugged pilot]

What was funny was the LIGHTS nerf

[fallow harness]

Cleric is 👌🏻

[left slate]

i like that they didn't make him a free target, even with starter gear two good mace headshots are surprisingly deadly

[rugged pilot]

for no reason, just nerfing his funny lights

[left slate]

one of the better balanced classes imo

[left slate]

thank god tbh, wizard light was literally free win + squad wipe + free legendary gear

wont be missed

[rugged pilot]

[fallow harness]

If I had one complaint on cleric, I would like more knowledge gear for us, and or more weapon variety

[left slate]

yea

fair

[torn orchid]

i think the fear thingy the barb does to mass mobs is a bit too op maybe reduce the number or radius of affect

[rugged pilot]

I still don't understand why Wizard has access to Crossbow

but not rogue

[lusty wren]

It only works on trash mobs

[fallow harness]

They reduced it once, but pair that with cleric AoE and you clear rooms fast

[torn orchid]

u cant kite a mob train onto them

[primal agate]

i feel like the cleric heal should be decreased if he spam the same target.

[rugged pilot]

yes you can, the fear only lasts like 4 seconds

[torn orchid]

^ fair

[left slate]

anyway my only real recommendations for the game are normalize gear stats across rarities, ie wearing full purples won't make you invincible to low gear players. instead making it very hard but not impossible. and make wizard invis last longer but you can't move, and can't cast haste on yourself

[fallow harness]

The time it takes to re heal the same target they usually already take more damage

[left slate]

ez game is balanced

[left slate]

yea cleric is fine

[rugged pilot]

I don't agree its impossible to kill people with good gear

[fallow harness]

Reasonable I like it

[rugged pilot]

hard but not impossible

[left slate]

depends on your gear and class

[torn orchid]

moving wiz invi i think is fair more than the rogue

[rugged pilot]

nah, anybody can kill everybody if they are good

[fallow harness]

I beat a guy to death with fist and took his portal one time

[torn orchid]

its a wizard

[lusty wren]

Depend smore on your skill and map knowlege

[fallow harness]

Was epic

[left slate]

for me, a full purple fighter (https://youtu.be/8s8Bp5ZITfQ)
is impossible to kill with starter gear, 10+ stabs in an ambush wouldn't be enough to kill whereas they would only need to hit me once or twice

[primal agate]

or add anti heal to some class but yeah high gear fighter are just unkillable with a clerc behind them

[rugged pilot]

Purple armor and axe doesn't mean anything if you somebody by spacing

[left slate]

yea

but a purple spear

https://youtu.be/8s8Bp5ZITfQ

wtf can anyone with starter gear do but run

[rugged pilot]

same thing, purple spear or axe

trap him by a wall spike or goblin

[torn orchid]

@primal agate thats cause the cleric moves too fast

[rugged pilot]

and then shoot him

[left slate]

if you're a ranger

[rugged pilot]

stand at the end of a corridor and spam fireball

[lusty wren]

Cleric is one of the slowest classes in the game do you play this game?

[analog burrow]

Give barb crossbow so I don’t have to chase :^)

[left slate]

plus a good player won't get caught out my pve

[lusty wren]

oh you dont cus you got banned for cheats 😄

[left slate]

its easy to clear a room by luring one by one

[fallow harness]

What you mean we move slow af when geared 😂

[torn orchid]

then why is it faster than a ranger ?

[rugged pilot]

okay, so trap him and shoot him without a goblin

[lusty wren]

Its not

[left slate]

if you're a ranger

[analog burrow]

faster than ranger…

[rugged pilot]

fireball him on a corridor

[analog burrow]

😭😭😭

[left slate]

won't kill

[fallow harness]

He tripping homie

[left slate]

• heal + sprint boost

[rugged pilot]

5 fireballs will kill

[ebon idol]

If your ranger is slower than a cleric, what the hell are you doing.

[lusty wren]

Shift walking

[torn orchid]

getting slaughtered

[fallow harness]

LOL

[left slate]

gl getting of 5 fireballs on a sprinting fighter with active second wind

[analog burrow]

Ranger running barb gear

[rugged pilot]

Walk at them with barb, press 2 shouts, 1 shot them

You only need double axe for this

[left slate]

won't 1 shot but that's more of a fair fight

[analog burrow]

Give barb crossbow so I don’t have to chase

[rugged pilot]

You can one shot a ranger or fighter with barb

don't even need blue gear

[analog burrow]

True

[torn orchid]

^

[rugged pilot]

2 shouts and a white double axe

[torn orchid]

or green

[analog burrow]

A purple battle axe usually does the trick tho

[left slate]

the problem is when you have to cherry pick examples in which this player can be beat. the one in my example video moved slowly, cleared rooms carefully and one shot newbies

nothing to really be done there

[rugged pilot]

Its not cherry pick

most barbs have a white axe and the two shout abilities I mentioned

[left slate]

(barbs)

[rugged pilot]

You are cherrypicking and saying its impossible to kill them

[left slate]

the only class that could really defeat a full purple fighter in solo

[rugged pilot]

it is not

[fallow harness]

Hopefully they add a 4 man Map bc that’d be cool, have one regular and one premium

[rugged pilot]

You went from purple spear to full purple fighter

goalpost moving

[torn orchid]

nah tell your foourth friend to get more friends

[fallow harness]

My poor friend 😭

[left slate]

per the video i've been linking this entire time

(https://youtu.be/8s8Bp5ZITfQ)

[rugged pilot]

I am not clicking a single link from somebody I dont know

[left slate]

would be neat

lolw

[rugged pilot]

[torn orchid]

lol its youtube

[left slate]

youtu.be 🤦‍♂️

[rugged pilot]

so is the virus my mate got last week

[fallow harness]

Rick roll incoming

[left slate]

then it ain't on me

the goalposts have been the same the whole time

[rugged pilot]

nor me, because I shant click the link

[torn orchid]

and thats a friendly banter nothnig malicious in youtube links have you tried to upload content

[left slate]

you don't want to click a youtube link thats alright

[rugged pilot]

I don't mind youtube links

from people I know

[fallow harness]

One thing they do need is like a auto trade feature bc I don’t wanna haggle with some fools over a green hat 😂

[rugged pilot]

if it had embeds enabled I'd click it, it does not

[left slate]

its just a short clip of a fighter in goblin caves wearing full purple (rings, pendants, both weapons & armor)

just so yk

[rugged pilot]

that doesn't change anything

[torn orchid]

yeah nice gear

[ebon idol]

Ah, yes, they.. exist.

[rugged pilot]

5 fireballs in a row is still killing him

[left slate]

in that situation, only one class has a reasonable change of beating said player, the barb

otherwise in the caves its a free win

rather, gear trumps skill

[rugged pilot]

or a ranger that places traps

[torn orchid]

just vendor it

[left slate]

only braindeads fall for traps

[ebon idol]

As it should.

[torn orchid]

its green gear trash

[nocturne spruce]

i am alone or i think right now ranger is a bit strong ?

[fallow harness]

Vendors are a bunch of scammers 😂

[left slate]

ranger actually kinda underpowered

[rugged pilot]

Its not braindead to chase a ranger and walk into a trap he placed outside of his spawn 3 minutes ago

[torn orchid]

^ not even

[nocturne spruce]

underpowered ?

[left slate]

but if played good its fine

lood down lmfao

[rugged pilot]

you have no way to know its there

[left slate]

always look down

not that hard

[rugged pilot]

You aren't looking down constantly though, get over yourself

[left slate]

i am tho?>

[rugged pilot]

You aren't tho

[ebon idol]

you have to know, ummla is the prefect player.

[torn orchid]

power is on point if you wont except that cleric needs to be slowed downb then the ranger needs a small % increase

[left slate]

its not that hard to avoid ranger traps, i haven't stepped in one in a long ass time

more often if i die to a ranger i just got outplayed by their bow

[rugged pilot]

Yeah, never makes a misplay, AI never gets a single hit in, never gets stuck on spiders

[left slate]

pve is decently easy

jump on spider pot

[rugged pilot]

never gets samwiched between their kill and a random rogue that heard a step in the distance and stealthed

[torn orchid]

and your clown emoji is why i have bveen saying nerf the cleric speed just a little bit

[rugged pilot]

just perfect play

[left slate]

not that big an ask to just look down when fighting a ranger

[torn orchid]

but nooooooo the cleric is perfect just like the clerics irl

[rugged pilot]

dude ya

Look down, don't look at the ranger or what he's doing

stare at the floor the whole time

[left slate]

yes

that is exactly what im saying

not just be weary of where you walk

look straight down

ty

[rugged pilot]

🎪

[left slate]

fr it ain't that hard to tilt ur camera down a little so you know where you are going

or just look at the ranger

[rugged pilot]

its funny you are the master of perfect play

[left slate]

super free if a ranger gives a corner a wide berth for no reason

[rugged pilot]

but can't kill a purple fighter

and I can

[left slate]

??

[ebon idol]

Lol

[left slate]

i didn't have that problem lol

i extracted and spectated the dude

[rugged pilot]

❓

So you are inventing a problem that new players don't have

[ebon idol]

So you can extract and it isn't a big deal.

[rugged pilot]

❓

[ebon idol]

Weird

[left slate]

i watched the dude run through the whole lobby lmfao

spectating him one shotting

[rugged pilot]

so he got lucky and ran into people with starter gear that weren't particularly skilled

[left slate]

not the issue anyway

[torn orchid]

why not uplaod that then ?

[ebon idol]

Come on, it is ok, we all got clubbed by a full purple some day.

[rugged pilot]

with the one skilled guy leaving the dungeon early with no pvp

[ebon idol]

You are under friends here.

[left slate]

we both agreed that removing purple from caves gave newbies enough wiggle room to learn the game

[rugged pilot]

or you died to goblin and spectated him from his spawn running through the lobby

[left slate]

i extracted with loot lol

[ebon idol]

Oh yeah?

Name every loot

[left slate]

don't think i killed any1

[rugged pilot]

not even goblins?

pretty sus

[zealous osprey]

bro i just wanna play as a goblin idc if its a class or race they loos so cool

[left slate]

never saw another player and walls where coming in so i just left

lmfao real

anyway it was already pretty much agreed that purples in goblin caves where a bit unfail

meaning, bringing them in or looting them from the caves

[zealous osprey]

as a class it could be a middle ground between ranger and rogue with like no utility

[left slate]

^

[ebon idol]

I... hmmm... have you ever noticed how well detailed goblins are.

How do I say that.... all of their body parts have been very much moddeled?

And very detailed so?

[zealous osprey]

no because im a noob but i would rather play as some class that's a combo of melee and ranged goblins lol

[lusty wren]

Stop looking at the goblins junk

[zealous osprey]

never

[rugged pilot]

.....

[zealous osprey]

ok im actually able to clear a few rooms now but still zero exfils

[rugged pilot]

[lusty wren]

Gob dungeon?

[ebon idol]

Honestly it was just a "wtf" moment when I saw it hiding in a corner.

[zealous osprey]

ive tried both, gob dungeon is way harder than solo normal dungeon

idk why

[rugged pilot]

They spawn mostly on the same level, if you see a portal on one floor its likely all portals will spawn on that floor

[lusty wren]

Id say normal dungeon is a better learning environment ya

Personally

[zealous osprey]

i hope we get a map that's just like a medieval town some day

[rugged pilot]

The stairs icon on goblin dungeon is an extract for one person, opens randomly when about 3 minutes or less remain

if there are rocks all over the stairs its been used already and cant be taken

[zealous osprey]

i keep cornering myself so i cant sidestep and im trying to play ranger lol

[ebon idol]

Also there always spawns an exit at the last zone.

[torn orchid]

is there away to see a full map in game ?>

[zealous osprey]

just hit level 3

[rugged pilot]

My advice is to purposely step closer to the goblin to make it attack

they always attack if you get into its range

[torn orchid]

that wasnt always the case

[rugged pilot]

this buys you more time to use your space

[ebon idol]

It is the case now.

[zealous osprey]

yeah i keep like.. getting into too tight of confines so i cant dodge anymore, idk i just gotta get the finesse of the game

[ebon idol]

Sometimes it spawns on the other floor though.

[rugged pilot]

yeah, but don't back up more than needed

actively aggress on the goblin to make it stutter its advance

then punish it

[torn orchid]

which i am glad about cause ive had at least five goblin dungeons and been last player alive in at least last two circles counted player deaths in kill feed

[zealous osprey]

whenever i do good barbarians pop out of the darkness and 1bang me

and i dont have the trap better perk

[torn orchid]

and none spawned

[rugged pilot]

that happens but they are loud

[zealous osprey]

Loud and fast tho

[rugged pilot]

Traps should be set in advance so if you hear a barb you can get his attention and then go back to it

[torn orchid]

thats cause they already seen you just gotta be more alert

[rugged pilot]

never trap while they are chasing because they will hear it and avoid

unless you are brute force trapping a door and camping it

[zealous osprey]

Idk if i can even think about pvp at this point im so dogshit

[rugged pilot]

Just gotta try to

[lusty wren]

Find people to play with

use the tools

[torn orchid]

stick with it play 1 class till max level then switch to learn another

[zealous osprey]

Yeah in the future, idk i run solo in tarkov and in dmz

[torn orchid]

you may get to lvl 10 before you can really solo 1v1 successfully

[lusty wren]

It just accelerates the learning process by a ton. Even if its all noobs can learn from eachothers mistakes. And currently between discord and ithe in game tools no reason to not

[zealous osprey]

I spectate after i die to see what people do

[lusty wren]

Ya, that is a great learning tool also

[zealous osprey]

Yo i killed the grim reaper thing in the real dungeon and then got killed by a bat

That felt good

[torn orchid]

prioritse speccing your chosen class and look at gear they use and perks to help you learn working metas that are being used

[ebon idol]

Most people can't kill a wraith with a three man team

[torn orchid]

definately can

[ebon idol]

My kill feed disagrees

[zealous osprey]

It was certainly spooky

[torn orchid]

they mustnt be using there room to there advantage then

[ebon idol]

Probably not.

[torn orchid]

mobs damage other mobs 😉

[ebon idol]

Idk how they keep dying either.

[zealous osprey]

I die mostly to packs

And people who play barbarian

[lusty wren]

the amount of times the kill feed says x killed by mummy spider blows my mind

[zealous osprey]

Funniest death so far is some naked guy leading a giant mob of goblins onto me tanking a face shot then going invis so they aggrod me

[torn orchid]

yeah i still die when 3 or more pin me against tigh corner with objects but rarely happened towards the end

as u know im an unfairly banned player

[zealous osprey]

?

You cheated?

[torn orchid]

proxy know

s

i wish i knew how

so then i wouldnt be feeling the pain of it being unfair

[ebon idol]

Piper Perri meme, but a wizard and three red spiders behind them.

[zealous osprey]

I kinda wish starter bow was just slightly better at lower level i know its fine with a few perks

[sullen heart]

so what's the point of the karma system and is there actually going to be punishment for teamkilling? I just got killed by these 2 guys I joined from the Gathering Hall and I'm guessing there's no punishment for that and it's intended? So everyone's just going to use the Gathering Hall until it happens to them once and then never again, what's the point of this feature?

[torn orchid]

only need quickshot and your ace

[ebon idol]

You can report them over the karma system.

[zealous osprey]

Or i wish i could start with a terrible crossbow if i took the crossbow perk

[ebon idol]

They will get red names and everyone will know they are team killers/bad mates.

[sullen heart]

I don't think it's actually a punishable offense though just a red name which tbh i'd rather have the red name instead of blue so it doesnt mean anything you could just have your friends give you bad karma for the red name

[torn orchid]

crossbow is overrated unless you hit a naked player and the reload time is atrocious dont try unless they are looting and unaware

[ebon idol]

Don't play with randoms that have red names.

Easy as that.

[zealous osprey]

yeah i just wish i had some starter variety lol

like if i took the spear perk starting with a grey spear would be cool

[ebon idol]

If they are your friends, you have nothing to worry, if they are strangers, reputation follows.

[zealous osprey]

doesnt have to be good, could legit be a balanced starter item that spawns on you if you take the perk instead of the bow

[torn orchid]

karma can only be given after 5 succesful escapes

[sullen heart]

What does "punishing team killer" mean?

[ebon idol]

It means they get negative karma

[sullen heart]

oh wow the bad internet points...

[ebon idol]

How would you ever know if a teamkill was intentional or not.

It is an impossible thing. All they can get is bad reputation to warn others not to trust them.

[torn orchid]

lol if there isnt any mobs around and you get 1 tapped

[sullen heart]

so nothing, got it. You didn't have to say all that, just nothing happens

[lusty wren]

You are able to identify team killers this is all that should be done

[ebon idol]

Yes

[lusty wren]

its not a punishable offense

its intended

there are tools to deal with it

[torn orchid]

just like a red skull in tibia

[ebon idol]

Yeah.

[sullen heart]

Exactly so what's the point in the gathering hall. Each person uses it until they're team killed once and then they never use it again. No one will use it eventually

[torn orchid]

ppl who dont use discord still will use it

[lusty wren]

They use the hall to gather teams while also being able to see if they have red names so they can avoid them unlike say a automatic system that groups you

[torn orchid]

if you want randoms in your party its easier and more affective to use the player list and invite ppl around your own lvl and sekect the classes

[ebon idol]

Even if you join over discord you can see the colour of their names while sitting at the table.

If they are red, dodge.

[torn orchid]

ive actually never used gathering hall so thats a biased statement for clarity

[ebon idol]

Or, kill them first.

[torn orchid]

dont be a tker just keep a respectable distance and use the karma system to warn others

[lusty wren]

Always kill them first this is the play

I do want to farm a red name on one class though

[torn orchid]

why kill your own party members thats a dog actr

[lusty wren]

If they are red they deserve it

[ebon idol]

No honour among thieves.

Yeah, I only mean red players, obviously.

[lusty wren]

red players cannot interact with the karma system so they cant report you for it

[torn orchid]

i mean thats fair but why would you invite a red name player and expect not to get tked that just stupidity

[lusty wren]

I would invite them to kill them

or at least try

[torn orchid]

until your red named i get it

[lusty wren]

they cant red name you

[ebon idol]

Yeah, and they would not be red because red players can't use karma

[lusty wren]

they are red

they dont get to interact with the karma system

[ebon idol]

It is genius.

[torn orchid]

thats exploiting the karma system for loot esentially

[lusty wren]

Nope its utilizing it as designed

[torn orchid]

and spectators may report you for it

[lusty wren]

Who is spectating me at the start of a game?

[torn orchid]

not meaning right now but that could be an implementation due to community demand

[ebon idol]

I am always watching.

[torn orchid]

the kill feed

[lusty wren]

THe kill feed dont say I tked

[torn orchid]

no but when they spec your party and see that person is in your party thats evidence

[lusty wren]

Very unlikely to happen

[torn orchid]

the risk = reward ratio does exist tho

[lusty wren]

eh sure

[zealous osprey]

red skull legit ruined tibia

its why i quit

[lusty wren]

I wouldnt call that a risk though

[torn orchid]

what if it someday resulted in a unrevokable permission to play the game ?

[lusty wren]

It wouldnt

[ebon idol]

They would state that beforehand and then I would stop obviously.

[torn orchid]

bold statement ^

no warnings

[ebon idol]

And with I, I mean proxy

[lusty wren]

Devs said they like it. Just needs tools to combat like karma systems

[zealous osprey]

like before red skull system the game self policed with guilds and stuff

[ebon idol]

Proxy is the janitor.

[zealous osprey]

then they put it in and people started taking advantage of the fact that they can just steal your shit out of the bag you'd be trying to haul to thais

cause you couldnt react

[torn orchid]

oh god mentioning guilds just ruined my desire to play this at full releaser

[lusty wren]

I like vigilante better

[zealous osprey]

or you'd get skulled

[ebon idol]

You can't anyway, you are banned.

[torn orchid]

for now\

[zealous osprey]

i think it'd be cool to get to play as a bunch of goblins and instead of a dungeon it's a nice town full of guards and townsfolk like angry farmers and guard dogs

maybe some tough fishermen

[torn orchid]

unfairly

[zealous osprey]

stop pking

and you wont get karmafied

dekarmalized

[ebon idol]

I can't stop killing players, that is the part of the game.

[zealous osprey]

team killing i mean

you get bad karma for tk

[lusty wren]

but I want a red name

[ebon idol]

Ah, that makes more sense.

[zealous osprey]

also you can totally team up since you just gotta get people out of exfil

lol

[torn orchid]

are you really gonna use the knowledge u just gained to critize the mentors ?

[lusty wren]

Making a drunken bonk cleric for the red name

[ebon idol]

[zealous osprey]

idk if 'mentor' is as prestigious as 'blue checkmark' but neither makes the obvious situation less obvious lol

[ebon idol]

"allow Rangers to use throwing knives and throwing axes, maybe with a perk requirement."

Why

[torn orchid]

cause they get dropped by everything the ranger is best at killing

[regal ridge]

why wouldn't the ranged class be able to use ranged weapons

[ebon idol]

It has enough options, why would you ever spend a perk for that, like ever.

[regal ridge]

to have options? why is there a perk for spears when i can use rapier and arming sword

[zealous osprey]

.> i want multiclassing

[regal ridge]

throwing weapons do different stuff

[lusty wren]

rangers have enough options

[torn orchid]

cause the hand swords are trash

and slow you down

[ebon idol]

Because spear is better than arming sword and rapier.

But your bow or xbow is better than any throwing weapon.

[torn orchid]

yep swap spear perk for tracking perk and poke suspect positions

ooooo baby gues who just got unbannned yeeeewwwwwwwwww

[regal ridge]

🤷‍♀️ a little silly the ranged class can't use whatever ranged options

[ebon idol]

I think it would be silly to give them access to throwing weapons, but that is a matter of taste I guess.

[torn orchid]

nah i agrees

but maybe just the throwing knives for all classes

[lusty wren]

Its not a ranged class its a ranger.

Using a bow is vastly different then throwing axes/knives

[regal ridge]

buddy what's the base of both of those words

range

[lusty wren]

Why does it get melee options then?

[ebon idol]

Man, my park ranger can't even throw axes.

Scrub

[lusty wren]

Its not a class just designed to do all ranged as you are implying

[jaunty scaffold]

Because that’s gear it gets in DnD

[regal ridge]

no shit but some more options never hurts

[lusty wren]

Yes because rangers are typically a mixture of bows/agi based melee

[ebon idol]

Throwing knifes I could see, throwing axes nope.

[torn orchid]

i think its 100 balanced for weapons usage already

[hardy lion]

GUYS HOW THE FUCK

ROGUES ARE INCREDIBLY OVERPOWERED

[ebon idol]

I don't know in what situation you would ever throw knifes instead of just shooting.

[torn orchid]

language ^

[restive flower]

Take traps from Ranger and give them to Rogue

[ebon idol]

But hey.

[ebon idol]

No they are not, don't be ridiculous.

[hardy lion]

Says a dude, who don't even play high roller

[torn orchid]

if your not baiting replies of sarcasm they are coming...

[ebon idol]

Alright.

[hardy lion]

Guys have you ever played the game?

[jaunty scaffold]

My big ask is that we can choose our default load out, but it’s limited to the lowest tier scrub gear

[hardy lion]

Thought people actually played the game in here but oh well

[lusty wren]

This was actually going to be my question to you 😄

[torn orchid]

nah its just the banned players who still love the game

[jaunty scaffold]

People have been banned? For what?

[torn orchid]

cause thats how you succeffully generate discord membership

[ebon idol]

He was too good.

[restive flower]

We need a FELLING AXE BUFF 😡😤😤

[torn orchid]

nah u got slaughtered by a cheater

[lusty wren]

We get it you were banned. LOL we can move on

[regal ridge]

what a crazy L to get banned from a playtest anyways

[torn orchid]

maybe when i find out what the "unauthorised" application supposedly is

[lusty wren]

It was probably the last thing on your debit card transaction list

[torn orchid]

your %$#&%*#$ onlyfans

[lusty wren]

UR A MEMBER? NVM that ban was UNJUSTIFIED!

[ebon idol]

Spells already have casting time, they should not have cooldowns as well.

[restive flower]

NEW BARB PERK - INSTAKILL: ALL ENEMIES ARE ONESHOTTED

[sour sleet]

Yo im that friendly you see in caves all the time but also i will kill if you try to kill meh >:)

[torn orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovi9iv5zjgE
did it happen like this ?

[sour sleet]

im QTpatooty XD

[torn orchid]

cool story

[restive flower]

ADD THIS RANGER WEAPON - MACHINE GUN CAN SHOOT UP DUNGEONS 100 ROUND

[torn orchid]

#1048762118255673428 go here to add that formaly

[ebon idol]

Do the classes need more balancing? Probably. Are people coming in here shouting all caps about a class how broken it is just salty? Most definitely.

[granite plinth]

Anyone else think skeleton skin should have a different buff like more movement speed but less hp being a skeleton and all

[torn orchid]

hot take - bubble dancer speaks facts

[restive flower]

Hope this ain’t about me because I was joking lol

[ebon idol]

Nah, I knew you were joking, I meant the rogue person before.

It also happens a lot.

[restive flower]

Oh ok lol

[lusty wren]

What about a skeleto to you says "fast moving"?

[reef gazelle]

honestly the only thing broken is the gear disparity. classes seem fine wen gear is equal

[granite plinth]

Less flesh to carry

[restive flower]

dies in game
instantly alt tabs to discord to rage about classes

[lusty wren]

By this logic, it has less muscle to carry it

[torn orchid]

also less life

must be magic class

+undead

[granite plinth]

Imo would be nice to have a necromancer class where you can revive dead minions as companions but one hit kill

[torn orchid]

super weak against cleric

[restive flower]

That would be cool, I want subclasses like that

[granite plinth]

I mean the red skeleton run super fast

[ebon idol]

Aerodynamics

[torn orchid]

and breakable limbs

like get completely cut off

[restive flower]

I can’t wait for them to add a new map, but I know they need to focus on other stuff first

[ebon idol]

It is funny that skellies are technically more resistant to judgement than humans.

[lusty wren]

B1 is a very high priority they said for early access

[ebon idol]

Maybe we are the evil all long.

[restive flower]

Oh cool!

[torn orchid]

hes a jake

[ebon idol]

Yall think there will be character customisation eventually.

I mean past just race

[torn orchid]

i hope not

well it depends will there be wipes ?

[cobalt obsidian]

Solo rankings for next playtest?

[granite plinth]

I hope we do . Bowl cut hair is a nope

[torn orchid]

if they do game will end up cartoony af like all the other pvp games and ruin the games original content concept

and thats exactly why i no longer playing pubg mw1 and 2 csgo fortnight(but it kinda was like that already) apex and more

[ebon idol]

Yeah. I mean, in DnD, nobody would have a weird ass party consisting of a gnome with pink braided hair, a lizardman who is an albino, and a dwarf that has no beard... right?

[tired vine]

i once sold my fairy friend for a bucket of paint best trade deal ever

[torn orchid]

if its customization like sticking in the confines of the fantasy sure. but if they do wipes then id want the ability to save my custom player model for import after wipe

[ebon idol]

Bard class can instantly defeat a dragon when they are not wearing pants.

[sudden fractal]

i got all this shit thats decent but pretty much impossible to sell to other players, stuff that id love to use myself but i cant because i got no one i can trust to trade to myself

[ebon idol]

Can I suggest that?

[sudden fractal]

we need some kind of universal inventory

or trading between characters

[torn orchid]

how long since you last slept

[tired vine]

honestly should be able to keep the skeleton and elf like you grinded for it you should be able to keep it we already will lose everything else just let us keep our skins

[sudden fractal]

maybe at a slightly higher fee

like 30gold instead of 15

[lusty wren]

I will help you if you pay the gold fee

[torn orchid]

that only encoruages rmt and will ruin the game like tarkov

[sudden fractal]

rmt?

[torn orchid]

real money trading

[sudden fractal]

how does it?

plus its already a thing lol

[torn orchid]

cheaters run dungeons steal all the loot and run the trading post

[sudden fractal]

yeah ik how it works

[torn orchid]

players miss out on fair opportunity to find loot and escape

[sudden fractal]

ppl are already doing it

idk how being able to trade between characters would cause that

[torn orchid]

report them

its criminal activity

[tired vine]

yee the devs are attempting to fit it and obv that pepole report

[torn orchid]

thats why i think hearts right now should be an option from a trader

make purple gear equiv value for gold, but also heart candy kinda makes sense for in game currency

for real money like moba games

[torn orchid]

because it gives them more storage space across multple chars

[sudden fractal]

?

i dont think that will affect it at all

[torn orchid]

i meant to rteply hewre

[sudden fractal]

ye ik

[wintry wind]

@lapis storm

Bard Class expanded:

• Inspiration: Similar Effect to Campfire, but significantly louder - does not recharge abilities / spells for Bard themself.
• As suggested by @Icemasta#5091 - Dispel: Removing enemy buffs or ally debuffs
• Main drawback is being very noisy but being a super valuable utility.

[sudden fractal]

but still i dont think it will change anything

its already happening

not much can stop it

[torn orchid]

region lock china ?

[sudden fractal]

lol

thatd do it tbf

[torn orchid]

i mean countrys with pops in the billions

[sudden fractal]

all of asia tbf

[lusty wren]

kinda ironic coming from you

[torn orchid]

how so ?

[lusty wren]

Well lets break this down

[torn orchid]

ok

[lusty wren]

why do you want to region lock china?

[torn orchid]

which nation has the most overall problem with rmt culprits ?

[lusty wren]

So cheaters....

Now tell us again

what did you get banned for?

See the irony?

[torn orchid]

allegedly unauthorised software and im australian

[lusty wren]

...

nvm

[torn orchid]

thats right

[wintry wind]

[torn orchid]

my government provides a livable wage hence no reason to rmt

but thats off topic i digress

[hardy lion]

rmt?

[wintry wind]

Real Money Trade

People trading real-world currency for in-game currency

[hardy lion]

But making money in-game so ez

Like do any of you need money, I got plenty

You can litterally just upsell

[tired forum]

Some people are even more lazy/bad at the game

[torn orchid]

yes the discussion started with why not allopw items to trade between chars

[hardy lion]

But I wouldn't do it too boring

[cobalt obsidian]

im not even looting anything anymore i have too much gold

[hardy lion]

@compact gale THank you for the suggestion

[cobalt obsidian]

fights are still fun i just wish the solo dungeon enticed people to bring in gear more often

[sudden fractal]

spend it

[hardy lion]

I don't anymore, I've litterally had to buy sets of sets on sets because of those GODDAMN Rogues

[cobalt obsidian]

I already have the gear i want though

i could buy some legendary shit i gues

[hardy lion]

Only have 2500🤡

I'm poor, but I can make back anytime

[cobalt obsidian]

but good value legendary shit is hard to find

[hardy lion]

Yeah, I don't really buy legendary

[sudden fractal]

i dont want to buy shit, i want to either sell it use but i cant :(

[hardy lion]

@cobalt obsidian What class do you play?

[cobalt obsidian]

Ranger.

[hardy lion]

Good choice. I'm a fighter, so I constantly have to go in fully geared it is a pain

[lusty wren]

Told ya id help you. You got options 😄

[sudden fractal]

sry but its rly gotta be someone i trust personally

no hard feelings

[lusty wren]

Eh, I dont need ur shit, just saying there are options

Though I do think a way to xfer things between ur own characters isnt a horrid idea, but it should still cost 60 gold to do so

[wintry wind]

I'm also Fighter Main, but bad. Never had more than 600gp to my name

[lucid plaza]

Nerf mage fire ball

too op half health you as a fighter full purple makes no sense

[lusty wren]

What type of gear you wearing? probably negative MR 😄

[lucid plaza]

None of it gave negative magical def

It's just op ass spell

[lusty wren]

Eh if you have some MR its not that bad

[tired forum]

Have you tried not getting directly hit by the fireball?

[lucid plaza]

Give a naked guy a spell book and 5 fire spells hes just gonna jump around and splash your feet 5 times

[ebon idol]

Give fighter in armor not only the ability to be immune to both physical and magical threats.

Balance

[lucid plaza]

and not get caught cause he's naked and a speed spell

[lusty wren]

and if you so much as breathe on him he dies

[inner zinc]

try solo wizard and then talk about how op the spell is

i'll wait

[lucid plaza]

lmao I do solo wizard

It's not hard

[tired forum]

He has a limited number of fireballs, when he is out of spells you easily onetap him

[ebon idol]

Then play wizard.

[inner zinc]

that's just objectively wrong

[ebon idol]

Why you on a fighter if solo wizard is so easy.

[lucid plaza]

So I can't play fighter?

Stuck with one calss

class

[tired forum]

Dies to something -> complains -> trys the class -> Dies to something -> …

[ebon idol]

The eternal cycle

[lucid plaza]

THis is a discussion chat

I can say what I want it's not complaining

It's a suggestion

You sit in here to argue or what

I think fireball is op end of story

[ebon idol]

It is a suggestion discussion chat. "Nerf x" is not a suggestion, it is a complaint. If you have a good option what to do, then it is a suggestion.

[lucid plaza]

DIdn't say wizard is op

Just the fireball

[sleek compass]

What's overpowered about it then?

[lucid plaza]

Yeah I do have a suggestion

Nurf the fireball

What's op?

[sudden fractal]

saying wizard is not hard to solo also isnt rly a discussion

[tired forum]

Have you tried using any of the ranged options a fighter has against the wizard?

[lucid plaza]

Splash damage, DOT, can break boxes/doors, casts in 2 seconds with spell book

Yes I have

I'm not saying I can't beat a wizard lmao

[ebon idol]

Splash damage is nerved, it applies no dot, breaking door is alright, the cast time isn't a problem.

[lucid plaza]

I'm saying it's stupid when you're fully kitted and one spell half healths you as a so called tank

[sudden fractal]

?

[lucid plaza]

it does too have a DOT

It applies burn

[ebon idol]

Fighters have good physical def but their spell defence is shit.

[tired forum]

Okay, how did it go? Did you miss and then he killed you? Or did you manage to headshot him twice and he still somehow lived (an actual issue)

[inner zinc]

I think if a wizard hits you in the face twice directly with a fireball it should kill you tbh

[ebon idol]

Getting dropped by their weakness is not a flaw.

[sudden fractal]

never been taken to half health when kitted out as a fighter/barb against a fresh wizard

[lucid plaza]

I just did

[lusty wren]

I mean as a barb you wouldnt

[lucid plaza]

Dude was naked with green spell book

[inner zinc]

the fireball only does 30 damage my friend

[lucid plaza]

Tell that to my health

[sleek compass]

What were you equipped with?

[tired forum]

If he is naked he has no defence, did you miss your ranged options for dealing with him?

[sudden fractal]

naked as in noob gear or naked with rings +3 all attributes lol

[ebon idol]

"The Dark and Darker Fireball is a A Tier Wizard Class Spell. Fireball Shoots a fireball that causes 30 direct damage and 10 splash damage and knockback effect to nearby targets."

[lucid plaza]

I killed him

[inland pelican]

Anyone know what a green highlight means? One suggestion is like 20 or 30 up votes and 8 down and is green lit, another is 47 up and 2 down and isn't green

[ebon idol]

No dot

[lucid plaza]

I'm saying it's dumb he did that much dmg to me before he died

[tired forum]

What is your issue then

[lucid plaza]

Bruh

I think the spell needs nerfed wym

[ebon idol]

"My character is weak to its weakness, nerf please."

[sleek compass]

Barbarians can smash doors and one/two shot people.

[tired forum]

So you think, because you kill someone they deserve to deal no damage to you

[sudden fractal]

real

[sleek compass]

Should Barb be nerfed then?

[lucid plaza]

bubble dancer are you a child

[shrewd wasp]

Yes

[ebon idol]

Yes

[sleek compass]

Barbarian is just a walking fireball.

[sudden fractal]

nah listen guys we r getting a bit too hostile here

[lucid plaza]

idc

let them rage

[tired forum]

If a fighter fights another fighter, and it takes you to half health, and you kill them, you should get a full heal is what youre saying?

[lucid plaza]

dude what are you talking about

[sudden fractal]

i appreciate that you dont like fireball and thinks it needs a nerf, but it seems most would disagree

[lucid plaza]

I'm sayin

It was one spell

Not the fact I was half healthed by him

[torn orchid]

what other stats did the book have ?

[lucid plaza]

i'm not sure man its been a min

I don't think wizard is op

[tired forum]

One barbarian smack can more than half health. One longbow headshot can more than half health

[lucid plaza]

I think it's the hardest class

[torn orchid]

pure damage ignores armor

[sudden fractal]

think of it like this, if it was a barb with a white felling axe, you wouldve died

[lucid plaza]

I think the fireball is op

[sudden fractal]

not half hp, u straight up wouldve dropped lol

[sleek compass]

So instead of nerfing fireball, what about buffing gear with magic resists?

[lucid plaza]

Yeah

[ebon idol]

Fighters have the dark plate.

[lusty wren]

If you focus MR already it can get pretty decent vs fireball

[lucid plaza]

I think armor should have magic resist stats for the fighter

[ebon idol]

It gives reasonable magic resist.

[lucid plaza]

Doesn't make sense

[torn orchid]

which can be done by choosing the appropriate armornoe

[sudden fractal]

i think wiz has taken too many hits this playtest lol

[lusty wren]

If you itemize right it does

[sudden fractal]

its in a good spot

and keeps getting nerfed anyway

[shrewd wasp]

Nerf barb and we happy

[tired forum]

This is a valid suggestion, that is already implemented in the game

[lucid plaza]

I'm talking on all armor

A small MR on all plate

[tired forum]

People are complaining about things and asking for nerfs when there are already answers in game for their problems (usually)

[ebon idol]

Plate armor is a trade off, you gain a lot of physical resist vs losing magic resist. The dark plate gives you 40 MR. It is good to counter your weakness, but you give up a bit of physical armor.

[lusty wren]

So you think the fighter should cover all weaknesses without giving some? Nah if fighter wants good MR they have to sacrifice some armor rating

[torn orchid]

yes the world is full of uneducated people

[lusty wren]

wear dark plate, wear templar armor.

[torn orchid]

help educate them

[sleek compass]

See, if plate had high magic resist it would make people lean to just using plate only.
There needs to be a trade-off for gear and meaningful choices.

[shrewd wasp]

Bro. You can't just be good at literally everything

[lucid plaza]

lmao uneducated people

[tired forum]

Is that not what my inquiries were leading to? Self-discovery?

[lucid plaza]

WHo said I wanted to be good at everything

Are you high

[shrewd wasp]

You just did

[torn orchid]

^ i wish

[lucid plaza]

When

[shrewd wasp]

Scroll up

[lucid plaza]

no

[ebon idol]

Nobody expects you or us to know everything about the game. But instead of screaming "nerf it" you could ask in q and a if there is a counter for example.

[lucid plaza]

I'm not screaming nerf it lmao

[ebon idol]

Most of the time people there give good options.

[lucid plaza]

I think fireball is op

[shrewd wasp]

You just did

[lucid plaza]

still do

No screaming nerf it

Is me coming in here typing 500 times

[tired forum]

This lies the true problem, not willing to look at facts. wrap it up folks this person doesnt wanna learn

[lucid plaza]

in all caps

[sleek compass]

So more saying it's a strong option.

[shrewd wasp]

You contradict yourself every other message

[lusty wren]

Implicating it needs nerf by saying its OP

simple logic

[tired forum]

Dont waste your time to someone with deaf ears

[lucid plaza]

Sure pal

[torn orchid]

its a wizard it should be op dmg squichy helth

[lucid plaza]

yeah i'm done anyways good luck with all that

[ebon idol]

I like the idea of the kite shield though.

[sleek compass]

Thanks have a good one.

[ebon idol]

Would help fighters be better at blocking projectiles.

[sleek compass]

A mirror shield legendary could be sweet

[ebon idol]

It exists

I seen it.

[sleek compass]

Hot damn, this game's got everything

[torn orchid]

did you look good ?

the fairest of them all ?

[ebon idol]

No. No I didn't.

I looked very dead.

[torn orchid]

it ok to feel dead inside

[ebon idol]

That is what happens when you run into the gang of Lindstrom.

You look dead

[torn orchid]

rip goose

[sharp crescent]

Hi, i just play few games and im dissapointed.
Im lvl 1 and i encounter lvl15+ with good stuff, som guy just camp the exit point
where is the matchmaking?there is no fun for me here

[torn orchid]

keep at it play slowly listen to sound queue try moving around during loud moments and level up faster by getting out alive

[ebon idol]

There is no matchmaking. People should not be able to camp the exits, since they spawn randomly.

At least not all the time.

[sleek compass]

Part of the fun is failing and eventually getting hyped at your eventual success.

[ebon idol]

It is rough, for sure.

But if you keep trying, you will eventually get better.

Do you play in the 3 player or 1 player dungeon?

[torn orchid]

finding the portal is only half the effort the rest is opening and using it before someone gets you

[sleek compass]

I wonder if they'll make a matchmade dungeon to test out

[ebon idol]

The devs don't think that teamkilling should be punished other than reputation, I don't think they will do matchmaking, but I could be wrong.

[gleaming marsh]

Oh yeah. That is what I felt when I succeeded twice in a row when I solo'd rogue. Best feeling ever.

[sleek compass]

I went solo into the castle and managed to gut 3 guys one after the other and made it out like a thief. This was after dying a ton of times in the caves/castle. I was so giddy.

[gleaming marsh]

Had legit sneaky, outsmarted plans for escape, and it felt great.

[gleaming marsh]

Nice, man.

[torn orchid]

thats why i think a top tier gear dungeon lobby should be a thing

[deep pecan]

isnt that technically high roller?

[torn orchid]

so the pvp regardless of class or abilities is matchmade

[sharp crescent]

the game does not seem to be made for solo
i gonna try later in team

[torn orchid]

kinda its baller gear but not the high roller arrangement that the game has now

[ebon idol]

Time to lose everything once more. See you later.

[torn orchid]

yes the solo dungeon is easily passable

[ebon idol]

"Easily" is a strong word.

[slender hound]

solo dungeon is fun until you see a naked wizard running at you with full confidence

[torn orchid]

maybe 1 in 5 is my average and that with a lvl 20 ranger and 60hrs under my belt

[cobalt obsidian]

I'll let a wizard live every now and again because i just feel bad for thme.

They are having a tough go anyways

[deep pecan]

idk if im just bad or what but goblin caves is so hard there's always so many enemies. feel like that should be reduced or make them a bit weaker or something

[torn orchid]

there is an in game stat in the newbs handook, 90% of internal testers died to the first mob they encountered the game is hard by design

[sleek compass]

They did lock high-rollers to level 15, but that's probably to fix a different issue.

[cobalt obsidian]

A geared wizard on the other hand can fuck anyone up.. Its just getting to that point is difficult.

I try to help them

[torn orchid]

yes im suggesting a "high roller" as in gear not player lvl as most players wont have a purple kit until they have leveled up anyway and make a 2nd high roller dungeon option for solos in the goblin dungeon without bambis, for some really balanced baller pvpe.

[sleek compass]

the poorman's dungeon; someone's farm cellar - grey's only

[inner zinc]

i want that

i would be estactic to have an easy doo-doo-loot-ass dungeon so I could fill my stash up with literally anything other than empty item slots

[subtle flicker]

i made a suggestion and it didnt show up 😦

[sleek compass]

you get paid 1 gold on completion and any grey/white items you find. there's no gold in there. you have to be careful with the giant rats and the one boss cat

[subtle flicker]

a page showing all our career stats of amount of players killed monsters killed and etc

[cobalt carbon]

Did you type .suggestion? Because the command is .suggest

[sleek compass]

ye .suggest [nerf x]

[livid stirrup]

in goblin cave had a game where the ring closed 3 times and no portal spawned anywhere near our circles. other guy died looking for one in the fog and i died as it literally closed entirely. portals should always spawn inside a circle

[errant dawn]

They do? Lol

[ebon idol]

Portals do always spawn inside the circle.

But goblin caves has two layers.

[torn orchid]

theres only 3 in goblin dungeon is that true ?

[sleek compass]

Goblin cave is like an onion.

[torn orchid]

thereby forcing pvp

[livid stirrup]

thats gotta be what happened

but if u get squished between a floor and where one spawns ur kinda effed

[torn orchid]

unless you have the heals to make the run of your life

[simple helm]

Lets brainstorm Bard spells

[torn orchid]

whats a bard ?

half a sta >?

[simple helm]

you know the musical guys from Dungeon and Dragons

[torn orchid]

oh gawd no

[simple helm]

well word is they will be the next class added to the game

[torn orchid]

sounds like a fortnight concept

the music nade

[simple helm]

I do not expect them to actually dance

[torn orchid]

that forces merry behaviour

right into the surrounding mobs

[simple helm]

Have you never played D&D and heard of bards?

[torn orchid]

nevr playd a board game outside of monopoly and snakes n ladders

[simple helm]

they are a jack-of-all type class with a mix of martial fighting and party buffing magic, classic support class

[torn orchid]

ive owned a pc since 1989

i play games with a keyboard and mouse not with my imagination

and yes im that old

[jaunty scaffold]

That’s not something to brag about, but okay

[simple helm]

ok well if you know nothing of table top RPG's then your not gonna be of much help here, this game is strongly based on that genre specifically some of the earlierst and very hard RPG games

[torn orchid]

tibia motherflipper

[jaunty scaffold]

Neverwinter Knights and Baldur’s Gate are based directly on DnD. He’s playing dumb

[torn orchid]

i did buldurs gates diablos etc before they all got made into the trash you see today

[simple helm]

well you never know, some folks really are that dumb

[torn orchid]

ill be fine ill cast a spell of light on your darkness parade

[simple helm]

in any event I'm looking for brainsorming bard spells and abilities

[torn orchid]

as long as it doesnt end up being the fruity bard from mordhau im down

[sleek compass]

I think it'd be neat if the Bard had counterspell

And more debuffs than buff songs

[torn orchid]

and a spell that forces people to drink stale beer with a reversed effect

[simple helm]

Counter spell sounds interesting, but would be really hard to land

[torn orchid]

aoe

by radius from player

[simple helm]

So dose it just delete magical projectiles in motion?

or prevent a caster from casting?

[torn orchid]

not if the projectile was launched prior to spell cast

[grizzled spindle]

interrupts cast sounds funny but also really terrible to do

[sleek compass]

I think it'd be funnier and more chaotic if it randomly bounced off the aoe

[grizzled spindle]

unless counterspell is just like an instant cast

[simple helm]

traditionally counter spells were something wizards did by utilizing their equivilent spell slots

[sleek compass]

It could work as either a skill or spell

[torn orchid]

i dont think it should cancel something that was done prior cause then its an escape tactic unless thats its purpose

[simple helm]

conceptually something that stops people from casting is called Silence

[grizzled spindle]

including the caster themself?

[sleek compass]

yeah counterspell is more like reflecting it back

[compact geode]

Dont know why I could not post this to #1048762118255673428 so I'm writing here:

Add an option to choose which microphone you want to use and a test button to see if it is working or not

[grizzled spindle]

counterspell in dnd is usually just "no spell idiot"

[simple helm]

and usually either a zone effect or a single target debuff

[grizzled spindle]

but that works because it's instant and reaction

[torn orchid]

maybe 1 spell for counter and another for silence

[jaunty scaffold]

Bardic Inspiration, Jack of All Trades, maybe some spells like Mage Hand, Doguise Self, or Charm Monster

[grizzled spindle]

how do you implement counterspell without it feeling garbo to use tho

[torn orchid]

obvious cooldown applies so as not to stack both

[grizzled spindle]

bc cast speed is already pretty fast so catching an enemy wizard in the cast will be hard

and if you're counterspelling you're not actually attacking so they just keep casting until you miss the timing

[torn orchid]

wizard should be intelligent enought to not be affecting by song

but all the other classses

[grizzled spindle]

bro my teammates shouldn't be affected by song

considering they're deaf af

[simple helm]

I think a single target debuff silence is workable, giving them a brief period where they cant cast

[sleek compass]

either a button press (skill) or a temporary buff with a short timer (spell)

[grizzled spindle]

you said debuff, but imagine how funny it would be if it also silenced sounds

[simple helm]

you need to land it as a skill shot and it's not damage

[torn orchid]

like ignite >?

[grizzled spindle]

cept you do it on enemies

[simple helm]

Humm, then it could potentially be used for stealth as well, but would it then make Rogue obsolete?

[sleek compass]

skill shot counterspell sounds really cool

[torn orchid]

no cause rogue is a ratting mf

[jaunty scaffold]

Bards use short swords and primitive weapons, so I imagine it’ll play like a slower rogue with some spell casting

[torn orchid]

hiding in the shadows

[grizzled spindle]

sounds terrible ngl

but i already don't like rogue

[sleek compass]

don't forget the lute bash

[torn orchid]

how would you improve on it ?

[simple helm]

Bards normally not got stealth mechanics and are more mid level on toughness

[muted locust]

@stiff folio "[there should be a report option for those who make teams on solo and destroy the game experience]"

The premise of the game is that it will kick your balls even if you're on the floor pleading.

[grizzled spindle]

honestly, i got no idea

[muted locust]

The game is prepared to be unfair

[grizzled spindle]

but im just like a rogue with no stealth sounds like not a lot of fun

[muted locust]

You need to make it up for yourself

you're in a dungeon

people can gang up on you if they want

just learn how to deal with them

[grizzled spindle]

i think the biggest issue with teaming in goblin caves is when people queue snipe each other on purpose

and enter the match with the intention of teaming up