suggestion-discussion

[deep jacinth]

i want to say yes but i never tested torch damage

i assumed it's shit

[twin delta]

torch damage is equitable to unarmed

[deep jacinth]

fists have to be better than torch

[twin delta]

17 but it is a blunt weapon and it does scale on STR better than unarmed

[rugged pilot]

Torch is actually better because headshots much easier

[random acorn]

I have to test it on the dummy then

[twin delta]

torch also has more reach

[lament willow]

no. do not suggest this

ugh.

[stiff nebula]

Servers up?

[fleet igloo]

Ill say lonbow+any kind of melee weapon is for pve

[deep jacinth]

just aim better more damage is better 🙂

[twin delta]

servers up

[stiff nebula]

Or not yet?

[lament willow]

sit in some thing rerolling stats instead of dungeon diving. UGH.

[deep jacinth]

i love punching out people it's hilarious

[ionic bobcat]

hey is anyones trade menus not showing after this update??

[deep jacinth]

when they ragdoll on to the ground

[uncut epoch]

You have to use things you get from the dungeon to reroll? So many items get useless stats

[rugged pilot]

Longbow + shortsword

ranger meta

[ionic bobcat]

i cant trade anything bc i dont see any of the channels

[deep jacinth]

i like the rapier for ranger

it cleaves like crazy

[twin delta]

is it shortsword? thought it'd be rapier

[lament willow]

yes. so you need go back into dungeon. If you can turn any blue into your ideal blue, then you spend far more time sitting there rerolling stats to get better gearset than dungeon diving to get better gear.

[twin delta]

yeah, rapier for the initial stab with follow-up cleaves

[deep jacinth]

i don't play ranger though really i think it's bs

[rugged pilot]

Rapier is good if you get a geared one

[twin delta]

good, easy headshots

[lament willow]

people mining infinite cobalt for rerolling is incredibly lame

[jaunty scaffold]

Rapier has better reach, but people are bad at spacing in the current meta

[twin delta]

man i have yet to figure out how to mine effectively

[lament willow]

having to go to hr hell for shit you need is way better

[deep jacinth]

ranger is the most blessed class or #2

[twin delta]

i keep finding people who want to kill me instead

[uncut epoch]

It would make mining actually worth it, it’s a meme atm

[rugged pilot]

Fighter -> Ranger

[lament willow]

I kill no gear rangers on sight

and wizards

no other class

just those two

[fleet igloo]

Its cool for then you have a team, with no combo you avoid friendly fire like ever

[twin delta]

why naked rangers?

[deep jacinth]

i never hit teammates with anything

[lament willow]

because if I leave them alive they might find a bow. or buy one.

[deep jacinth]

i will stop my swing and move it

[twin delta]

eh

[south cliff]

I keep thinking that a little of matchmaking could be helpful

[twin delta]

if they're looking to kill people they don't scrounge for a bow

they just shoot

[lament willow]

it's like you hunt the type of class you don't want to see. Encourage the players of the other classes. It's like farming.

[twin delta]

that's nowhere close to farming

[lament willow]

or weeding

it's gardening

[shell horizon]

You play a barbarian and pretend other classes are stronger

[twin delta]

weeding is similar okay

[fleet igloo]

They'll proly figure out buying the white longbow faster

[lament willow]

i'm a fighter.

[twin delta]

heh, barbarians kill everyone because HOW DARE you be stronger

[lament willow]

I don't have the balls to play barbarian

[rugged pilot]

Killing ranged classes so they get onto melee classes and lose to you

lmao

[fleet igloo]

And chasing rangers is no safe task alone

Esp on ladders

[twin delta]

wait ladders?

y'mean stairs right

[fleet igloo]

Ye

[rugged pilot]

There are a few ladders you can climb

[lament willow]

you can jump up some of the ladders

[twin delta]

what

[fleet igloo]

In a library yep

[twin delta]

huh

[south cliff]

I love it, especially trapplacing. I've never ever been a pvp enjoyer, but this game with that class really make me like that

[rugged pilot]

and in some of the trap corridors

[twin delta]

okay i wonder if that's the intended way to traverse those zones then

[grim gazelle]

Hey all
Wouldn't like to disturb the moderators/administrators, etc. Perhaps there was such a suggestionl or the developers are planning this.
Have they thought about subclassing existing ones, or will only new ones be added?
Just interesting c:

[fleet igloo]

Only known about library, curious, gotta keep more attention to it

[rugged pilot]

Placing ranger trap under wallspike

[twin delta]

dude i've done that

douse the torch lights too

[fleet igloo]

Stairs are better

[twin delta]

bard, monk, and druid from 3.5

[fleet igloo]

For a solo player it can be essentially instadeath

[cobalt obsidian]

doorways are the cheesiest places to put them

[rugged pilot]

Placing ranger trap underneath bodies so they can never disarm

[lean vortex]

Servers up

[twin delta]

then we got uh, alchemist, warlock, and artificer in later editions as 'base' classes?

[rugged pilot]

liar

[twin delta]

... breeze

[lament willow]

you're a monster

[nocturne lagoon]

That’s called “changing your talents, perks and weapons.”

[twin delta]

breeze i never thought of that before

holy shit

🧠 💥

[mental snow]

When release

[random acorn]

Imagine bard solo at goblin dungeon

[odd vector]

I swing my axe and I hit my foes

[rugged pilot]

[fleet igloo]

Its pretty hard to hide all the pixels in usually but yep, killing some zombie on a place you wonna place a trap on is a strat

[lament willow]

that's called Heavy Metal

[sturdy cairn]

Bard would be so loud man

[rugged pilot]

Dwarf class when

[ashen wren]

What do you guys think about this game receiving an enhanced combat, like Chivalry and Mordhau

[cobalt obsidian]

damn did jkidd just get banned

[ashen wren]

something with stamina bars

[south cliff]

They should make new skills and powers for cleric to turn it into a necromancer

[rugged pilot]

Necromancer lmao

[twin delta]

oh so i've seen some talk about the class skins being able to give stat adjustments

[rugged pilot]

raise dead temates with temporary health that ticks down

[random acorn]

Dwarf with shield while crouching = nullify headshot

[rugged pilot]

Dwarf drinking beer heals

[twin delta]

is that just rumors or does someone have a skeleton/elf skin on and can show stats

cleric already does that

[fleet igloo]

Its mostly to make it harder on yourself if youll buy the bling skele

[rugged pilot]

Dwarf gets 1.5x damage on Elf skin users

[random acorn]

Oh please no stamina bar, combat would be less aggressive

[simple helm]

I think you would just be better off with a strait up Necromancer class

[twin delta]

wuh?

stamina bar would be awful

[fleet igloo]

Or get a really minor boost in agi for barb i guess

[rugged pilot]

No, cleric just doesn't get drunk

[twin delta]

cleric already has resurrection

[ashen wren]

yeah, i could agree with that, but we need more attack variations, like a button to thrust and another one to slash

[twin delta]

so the revival thing is a bit stepping on that niche

[rugged pilot]

Nah, make it entirely different

[random acorn]

Maybe in skill tree

[twin delta]

if cleric revive gets better by making it pop faster

[ashen wren]

being able to kick when some one is with shield up, would be nice too

[twin delta]

'cause right now it's effectively longer than using an altar

[rugged pilot]

Cleric picks people up with long cast and gives them more health

Necromancer would pick them up fast and they have health that ticks down overtime with no heal status

[twin delta]

cleric with perk*

[random acorn]

Kicking door to open is interesting

[twin delta]

without the perk the cleric is identical to the altar

[simple helm]

Obviously Necromancer class would rez monsters, not players. Though it would be cool if they could consume Soulhearts to regenerate spells

[rugged pilot]

You don't bring rez without the perk

[twin delta]

eh

[ashen wren]

that would be nice too

[fleet igloo]

Good suggestion actually, pretty fitting

[rugged pilot]

Thats like saying Ranger with crossbow is identical to using crossbow without the perk

no ranger is bringing crossbow and not using crossbow spec

[twin delta]

ranger actually doesn't need the crossbow mastery perk

it's nice, but not necessary

[rugged pilot]

doesn't need but again, no ranger is buying a crossbow and bringing it without it

[random acorn]

Minimizing death from spiders and beetles

[twin delta]

eh

basic crossbow i can see it

[rugged pilot]

This is barb smash

[fleet igloo]

..coz he doesnt need xbows lol. Leave em to the figher

[ashen wren]

Also, if some one is caught near the kicked door, that person should fell on the floor

[random acorn]

But available for all class

Make it other class need 2 or 3 kicks, barb use 1

[rugged pilot]

Sounds like taking a strong barb ability and giving it to everybody

[twin delta]

barb smash destroys doors

door kick opens them

[tender cave]

Good to see I still gotta wait 10k seconds in the gathering hall

[twin delta]

so these are not the same

[rugged pilot]

okay in that case

lock pick ability with 2 skillchecks for all class

not the same as rogues

[twin delta]

lock pick being resourcefulness scaled, yes

[random acorn]

Agreed

[rugged pilot]

ranger food for all class

no reason ranger is the only one capable of a snack

[twin delta]

weaker food, sure

[random acorn]

Food skill for below level 5

[twin delta]

oh wait, cleric already gets more food

[pearl sierra]

server back?

[twin delta]

minor heal

[random acorn]

After level 5 people can play better

[twin delta]

15, then +5 from perk

[simple helm]

Should Resourcefullness just be called 'Dexterity'?

[rugged pilot]

Not as an ability

[neat gate]

Can anyone confirm server status?

[twin delta]

resourcefulness is actually more like wisdom

[proud bay]

I think folks would confuse Dex with Agi

[twin delta]

dexterity is agility

[random acorn]

Dexterity usually affect long range weapon too, so no

[fleet igloo]

Would be cool if ranger could share his field rations. Like Heavy

[random acorn]

Wait, agi gives ranger more damage? Or just speed?

[upbeat ocean]

Yo my friend just got banned from discord cuz he copied a spam message and sent it. It wasn’t even bad. How can he get unbanned?

[simple helm]

Well they need to make it clear and logical, Agility for speed and movement makes sense

[twin delta]

sharing field rations and bandages is a real intuitive thing

[upbeat ocean]

From the dark and darker discord

[proud bay]

Not to beat a dead horse: Would love to spend a perk to use survival bow on Rogue. Just enough to make life a bit easier against NPCs in some rooms while keeping with the low damage high mobility aspects of rogue. (Still fits class fantasy fine).

[random acorn]

Campfire is better, with good penalty

[twin delta]

rogue honestly should get it naturally

[simple helm]

Rogues traditionally use light crossbows

[fleet igloo]

I wouldnt spend my perks on this

[upbeat ocean]

@proud bay there will never be a survival bowl because they already have throwing knives

[twin delta]

campfire is solid yeah

the brown one is like a 40% heal

[proud bay]

Wouldn't count it out Kotz since fighter has a perk for all weapons

[random acorn]

Damn, rogue with bow would be OP for bosses

[ashen wren]

I think this game would benefit a lot having a combat system similar to Chivalry and Mordhau.
Maybe we don't need stamina bar, but we really need all of the rest, like more attack variations, being able to kick, thrust, slash, canceling attack animations

[random acorn]

Poison arrow? Geez

[proud bay]

I would personally make it small Xbow and Survival but I'd take just one of them to help with archers/mages

[south cliff]

They should make a basic equipment that changes depending your power/abilities setting.

[fickle plover]

For the love of all that is good, do not give rogues a bow

[fleet igloo]

With surv bow? Wich boss?

[twin delta]

poison arrow is fine, on a non-ranger the survival bow fires real slow

[random acorn]

Accuracy worse

[twin delta]

throwing knives either need to be treated like a bow where you can reload your knives

[proud bay]

Survival bow also does very little damage compared to R-curve and Longbow

[random acorn]

Troll, skeleton mage and super skeleton?

[twin delta]

or give bow to rogue

[rugged pilot]

Server actually is up

[fickle plover]

Rogues would be absolutely broken in PvP with a bow

[twin delta]

i hate rogues ngl

[rugged pilot]

crossbow

[fleet igloo]

Troll? Youll not finish ot in time, rest - not super sure you actually mean full on bosses

[proud bay]

I'd trade bow for a perk that let us pick up throwing knives from NPC's we kill

[random acorn]

If they give bow to rogue, I'll switch my main

[twin delta]

only basic crossbow

so give basic survival bow

[rugged pilot]

So change it to where they aren't broken, then give him the crossbow

[twin delta]

ez

[south cliff]

Damn, i'm at work. For 10 hours.

[fickle plover]

You can't without taking away what makes a rogue, a rogue

[twin delta]

how would a rogue in pvp be broken? vital strike, poison damage?

you could make rupture be melee attack damage triggering only

[random acorn]

You got a friend man, I'm still at work too, just watching dark and darker contents on youtube

[twin delta]

so then ranged stuff doesn't proc it

[proud bay]

I'm wondering what rogue's yall are facing that a survival bow is the thing that scares you XD

[twin delta]

right?

[proud bay]

if anything you guys want to keep us AWAY from you cuz if I get close you're likely gonna die even if I do too

[fickle plover]

It's not even about procs and skills, a rogue can just perma harass from range, if you get anywhere close they can stealth away, and either avoid the fight or finish it with an ambush. You can't give a melee monster an infinite-resource ranged weapon

[wise vine]

I so badly want Bow fighter to be able to be specialized into, I want the fighter to be how they are in actual dnd where they are a Build-A-Martial kind of character, where your weapon defines the kind of playstyle you embody

[proud bay]

I don't think rogue with a bow would trigger any of the skills/poison perk. Literally just some ranged stabbing so I don't take 50% hp to a aimbot skelly archer lol

[twin delta]

for real though, rogues even with throwing knives are not a threat *at range

[south cliff]

Talking about my shit again, am I really the only one who would like some kind of matchmaking? 😭

[eager estuary]

Honestly every class to start with two sets of weapons.

[twin delta]

there's no automatic matchmaking, there's manual instead

[twin delta]

gathering hub

[eager estuary]

Should start*

[twin delta]

eh nah

[fleet igloo]

They are far from aimbot tho. Their arrows are slow as hell

[twin delta]

the basic kit is to show you what the class is best at

[random acorn]

That's fair then, although the hit and run strategy mentioned above would be very bothering for melee only classes

[proud bay]

When you're far away from them yeah 😛 When you have the range of a trex they headshot you quite often lol

[twin delta]

yeah their firing cone in melee is their entire arm hitbox

[proud bay]

Doesn't seem more annoying than fighters/rangers/wizards right now I guess

[quartz sentinel]

@true zenith I like your suggestion for a buff class . Id like even if they just took the invis and haste buffs from wizard and gave wizard better pve options!

[random acorn]

If there is a lobby only with the bar to test the weapon damages, that would be awesome

Usually the time runs out before I tried the dummy

[real cloud]

I mean if there were more items in general oriented towards team pvp over solo

that’d prob fix it

[south cliff]

Damn, I never looked in that, I was too busy joining games. When I'm home I'll give it a try.

[real cloud]

I.e. higher tier spellbooks or crystal balls having a haste spell slot in it

[simple helm]

I think we can get a Necromancer, Bard and Druid classes in the game each doing something unique

[proud bay]

Easily

[eager estuary]

A warlock class would be fun to have

[proud bay]

I look forward to Bard/Druid/Warlock/Sorc I think there is a lot to explore there

[simple helm]

word is a Bard is in the works and I hope it can throw false sounds to help you lure enemies

[random acorn]

Necromancer with randomized summon would be in every funny montage

[proud bay]

looking forward to Druid especially, very unique compared to the current casters

[fickle plover]

Wizards, or casters in general, need a cantrip-type spell option that they can always use

[proud bay]

Zap?

[south cliff]

Bard: song that make you hear only that song (no footsteps) and from every direction

[fleet igloo]

What would druid do in an undead infested plantless dungeon? Turn into a hamster?

[fickle plover]

Does Zap not have a use limit?

[simple helm]

I'm imagining Druids can cast terrain mainipulation spells, make platforms, quicksand, tunnels through walls etc

[eager estuary]

Druids could shapeshift into all kinds of animals like a bear

[random acorn]

I imagine that bard would just turn their Voip on and always open. And put a song from youtube

[simple helm]

Yea Druid shape shifts usually act to emulate other classes, so Bear = Barbarian, may Fox = Rogue

[proud bay]

Summon plants? Turn into a bear, make goodberries that can be handed out to teams. Cast Faerie fire that lowers armor and illuminates enemies. Create thornbushes on the ground that act like spike traps. Healing spells so cleric isn't the only healer.

[proud bay]

It does but it recharges fast from meditate

[fleet igloo]

Fair nouf

[simple helm]

I have a Druid suggestion yall should upvote

[fickle plover]

Yeah, I'm saying just give them a cantrip that's unlimited use

[random acorn]

I hope TheDooo would join to stream Dark and Darker when Bard class is released

[fleet igloo]

But yeah, may as well just add a bear class without workarounds 😛

[proud bay]

Staff wielding- plant summoning -nature healing -leather wearing druid seems fine enough to me. Don't even need shapeshift though I'd be super surprised if it doesn't since it's their trademark ability

[south cliff]

Lateral question: do you think that player names will keep being "unique" (no copies of the same name)?

I created the rangers MiaArrow and HarleyQuill and I'm keeping them just for having been the first to create them

[proud bay]

Imagine a spell perk that let them summon different plants to do different things. Release Poison gas, Unmovable aggressive plant that "guards". Aoe Healing Plant/grows and then has a consumable-like a bandage. So much fun stuff :hearteyes:

[random acorn]

Is there gonna be a secure case-like in the future? Where you can keep items and not lost it when died? 2x2 probs

[simple helm]

I brainstormed several druid spells

Magic Mushroom causes a party size platform to grow up out of the group supported on a stalk which can be chopped down

great for getting elevation

[grim gazelle]

Transformation into a bear

[true zenith]

Artificer class that has a playstyle that is varied from being a buffer or "inventor/enchanter" with like more complex tech like a small wrist crossbow

[random acorn]

And blocking doors

Can door opening be cancelled by other person on the other side? Fun for trolling people getting chased by mobs

[simple helm]

Well if we want a blocking spell lets just allow a wall of thorns or something

[south cliff]

Illusion spells more like for bard/New class or for the wizard?

[simple helm]

I would think any wall should still be breakable though

Illusions definitly a Bard thing

[random acorn]

Sleep skill for low class mob would be interesting

Lullaby

[simple helm]

I could see see something like that, also a pied piper 'mobs follow you with out attacking'

but these would nessarily need to break if you start damaging said mobs

[random acorn]

After the duration is off, then they'll definitely eat you out

[simple helm]

humm, is their a way to link to my Druid suggestion?

only seem to get an ID

[real trellis]

Read the commands in #1048762118255673428

[random acorn]

Suggestion: Escape portal in troll room after troll killed

[simple helm]

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[eager sable]

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[opal canopy]

Get rid of 1 taps make a restriction for dmg can’t do more then a % of max hp so everyone is a 2 tap instead of just getting 1 tapped all the time

[simple helm]

dosn't seem to be working, I'm trying to reference by earlier druid sugestion

[opal canopy]

Instead you’re just extremely crippled

[simple helm]

That would make no sense for delicate classes

[wise vine]

I was just thinking an easy way to incorporate things like wildshape would be to have animal themed buffs, like Bears Endurance, Cats Agility, Owls Wisdom, ect.
Maybe add a sound effect cue signifying what buff is used, that way we don't have to have a bunch of furries running around biting everybody

[random acorn]

Is there a middle finger emote already?

[eager estuary]

Not going to lie the quarter staff is amazing. Just won my first game in the goblin cave with one 😁

[simple helm]

Their is a big difference between Druid shapeshifting and buffing. Shape shifts have major restrictions like no spell casting, no item use etc and is only possible for the druid themselves. Stat buffs are nearly unrestricted and probably belong more to a Bard class

[wise vine]

I'm not sure of the scope of dark and darker right now, but unless all the animals are anthropomorphic and human shaped, making unique models and attacks for all of them sounds like a development nightmare

[simple helm]

How many animals forms do you think their would be?

[wise vine]

I'd imagine there'd be at least 3, a durable one, a fast one, and either a utility or stealth one

They've talked about flight so maybe a bat or a bird

[simple helm]

yea that's about what I would figure as well, thats not a lot really, remember animals don't hold weapons or use items so they only have a move and attack animation

considerably less work to make then a full class model

[opal canopy]

Wdym

[golden bobcat]

Guys what do you think about my suggestion for unused Rogue perks? Just posted it a few minutes ago.

[simple helm]

A delicate class like Rogue not dying in one hit from a powerful blow is illogical

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Lodrig Valinson#9081

New DRUID Class, focusing on terrain manipulation spells and animal forms which replicate other class (Bear = Barbarian, Stag = Fighter, Fox = Rogue selectable at casting, no spellcasting or item manipulation in animal form), Spell list Quicksand (slow speed zone creation), Magic Mushroom (party size platform rises but stalk can be cut), Rolling stone (slow Boulder that follows corridor and pushes doing light damage), Ice Wall (temporary large solid wall with strength of several doors, fireball will 1 shot it), Whirlwind (zone launches creatures upwards, can access high areas or cause ceiling impact damage), Bean Stalk (simple climbable ladder), Tunnel (open a hole through terrain in strait line, may need to be done with entry/exit portals if map won't support dynamic changes). New Mana regeneration mechanic unique to Druids, Laylines are generated on map as long strait randomly oriented lines, visible only to Druids on mini-map and on the ground as a glowing line, standing on them restores mana and consumes the line for a distance, all Druids thus compete for same limited mana and lines lead them to each other and clashes.

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Suggestion ID: 1591911 | Submitted at · Feb 9, 2023, 5:18 PM

[wise vine]

Your suggestions are fine, but in all honesty I just wish rogue had things like lockpicking be base

[simple helm]

I liked it, Rogue perks need improvement

[wise vine]

It's so wild they have to sacrifice sneak attack functionality to do the things iconic to rogues

[opal canopy]

How so if they get into a crippled state that basically can get hit with a starter throwing knife and dead

I just think it would be a nice idea at least cuz instead of barb,ranger, and wizard doing 50 points more dmg then your max hp is wild

[simple helm]

Your suggestion is just butthurt gripping then

[opal canopy]

Even with armor and protection is wild

[random acorn]

Is fall damage gonna be a thing?

[opal canopy]

So instead of talking over the suggestion and seeing it from other point of view you’re just gonna insult me 👌🏻

[rugged pilot]

Why do you think a druid is like a parrot and can only imitate its surroundings

[quartz sentinel]

wasn’t it in last playtest or am i stupid? (fall damage)

[opal canopy]

Thought this was a discussion channel not roast everyone you disagree with

[rugged pilot]

Are you saying turning into a tiger in the forgotten castle would be a bad idea?

Or a spider and crawling up onto the roof

[random acorn]

Sorry I don't know, joined on this playtest

[simple helm]

Come up with better suggestions then

[opal canopy]

A suggestion that only pleases you right

You can’t even consider it and think about the subject

[simple helm]

Considering maximum heights in game are 2 floors fall damage seems a low priority untill their are more vertical maps

[opal canopy]

And have a actual conversation

[rugged pilot]

you can just not comment instead of being toxic

[simple helm]

He asked for a clarification

[rugged pilot]

Not from only you though

[opal canopy]

[simple helm]

he did infact ask me specifically

go back and read the exchange

[rugged pilot]

There is no reason for this toxicity

[opal canopy]

Maybe because you were the only one to notice my suggestion and I wanted to see why you thought so but you never gave me a reason except for a rouge issue then proceed to go you’re dumb

I don’t think it’s the at big of a issue and it would be more of a nice flow into fighting

Say your a max health rouge and instead of getting absolute 1 tapped by a ranger or wizard you just have very crippled health

96-99% of max hp

[limber tapir]

would anyone be bothered if Groups get place with groups

[opal canopy]

Wdym

[simple helm]

I told you it's illogical for a delicate class to just recive less damage from the same attack. All your asking for is to not be one shotted and can't present any other reason other then you don't like it, so having rejected a logical argument I just told you that your suggestion is nothing but butthurt griping.

[limber tapir]

like to stop been ganked by a Trio when ur solo

[rugged pilot]

farily common trait for rogues / theifs to cheat death or dodge attacks

Once per delve, rogue is reduced to 1hp instead of being killed

[opal canopy]

Sadly this is why they added goblin caves and gathering hall but I see where your coming from

[opal canopy]

Honestly I could see it as a all around implementation

[cobalt carbon]

"any other reason other then you don't like it,"
I mean.. Isn't that just any opinion? Lol.

I like the idea of all classes not being able to get 1-tapped.

[rugged pilot]

no reason for everybody to get it. Its a rogue / thief / brigand trope

[opal canopy]

Cuz when ranger wizards and barbs can 1 hit each other and do 120-250 dmg in one hit while the only person above 100 hp is barb is wild to me

[cobalt carbon]

From a gameplay perspective, it'd be nice if there was a damage cap of 99% or something. Assuming you're full HP.

[opal canopy]

Only at full hp

[cobalt carbon]

Yaaa.

[opal canopy]

A dmg cap with be nice

[rugged pilot]

1shots in this games are never, ever at any point fun

[simple helm]

They are fun for the guy making them

[rugged pilot]

your whole point of playing is to survive, if you get onshotted INSTANTLY its not fun

[opal canopy]

Maybe even a rapier can kill you

[cobalt carbon]

Nah. Even when I 1-tap people, I just feel bad for the other guy. I'd rather have an actual fight.

[rugged pilot]

I disagree, I do not like playing Barb and chasing people to finally get into the melee combat and then 1shot them and start looting

boring

[quartz sentinel]

@rancid jackal That might be something i’d like once we get in early access but for these play tests I like that players only get that one page.

[rugged pilot]

The problem is even worse when I have to 2shot skeletons but I can 1shot most players

[opal canopy]

Now say your a lower hp maybe even like 10-20 points off max ho

That’s your own fault for not topping off

Now you’re getting 1 shot

[cobalt carbon]

Yup.

[south cliff]

One Shot? I never oneshotted anyone with barb (buuuut i'm indeed a bad player)

[rugged pilot]

You just need gear

get a good axe + 75% more damage perk

1shotting all day long

[opal canopy]

I had a barb friend do over 200 dmg in the head

:/

[quartz sentinel]

once you get a blue axe you one shot most classes in the game

[cobalt carbon]

Not to mention stacking damage on all your armor. Boots with +4 damage anyone? Lol

[south cliff]

Hm, damn

[opal canopy]

+5 true physical

Plus a barb moves way to damn quick to just 1 hit 100% of the time

[cobalt carbon]

I really hope they find a good way to balance the game. As is, it feels like a disaster imo. Especially given how incredibly powerful people get when the game only lasts a week at a time before wipes.

[rugged pilot]

lvl 1 barb can almost 1shot most classes with a shout and the +10dmg to axes

[opal canopy]

With starter gear

[rugged pilot]

and if he double shouts its 1shot

[opal canopy]

Btw 💀

Upvote dmg cap percent%!!!!!!

[rugged pilot]

"he slow though"

Doesn't matter when 90% of the game takes place behind doors in tight corridors

which barb can smash instantly and walk into

[opal canopy]

[rugged pilot]

[opal canopy]

I mean the only counter to barb is 2 buffed up fighters with there skill that buffs first attack

[rugged pilot]

wait untill next playtest we get the (experimental map) Abandoned Meadows

[opal canopy]

:0

[cobalt carbon]

Until you realize the Barb has a pocket Cleric and a Wizard giving him haste.

[rugged pilot]

Good Barbs don't need teamates to 3v1

but they have them

[opal canopy]

I’m a pocket cleric for a barb and I apologize for my transgressions

[quartz sentinel]

rage doesn’t even have any downsides if they also savage roar at same time (: pro tip

[rugged pilot]

It does have downsides, you take more damage

[cobalt carbon]

You filthy pocket cleric. And I thought we were friends.

[rugged pilot]

but that doesn't matter if you 1shot the enemy

[quartz sentinel]

not if you make the enemies do less damage with savage roar

[opal canopy]

And a barb should not do what he can get away with it’s crazy

[quartz sentinel]

equals out

I guess you technically you still get the debuff but savage roar cancels it out

[rugged pilot]

it doesn't lower physical damage

it lowers damage bonuses

[quartz sentinel]

oh i’m stupid?

[rugged pilot]

If they have any buffs it lowers those

and like +2 physical from gear

is lowered also

[quartz sentinel]

doesn’t matter if they die like you said then, i’ve been clearing lobbies with the combo and haven’t even noticed taking extra damage

[rugged pilot]

It can matter vs wizard

25% more damage from 10 arcane missiles

If you don't have the Iron Will thing for magic resist it can actually tear you up, but if you kill 2 people and die to the wizard

its kinda like who cares again

I'm sure your cleric + third teamate will mop him up and its gg

[cobalt carbon]

Imo, Barb alone is never an issue. It's always when a Barb has a Cleric or Wizard with him, that it becomes a problem.

[rugged pilot]

I've never seen that though

[cobalt carbon]

Huh.

[quartz sentinel]

I always bring a cleric (:

[cobalt carbon]

I see it frequently.

[rugged pilot]

I see the barb run into my team, or my barb run into the enemy team and 90% of the time the barb survives gaining 1-2+ kills

[quartz sentinel]

I’ve seen parties without it and they usually don’t have the sustain for multi kills

[rugged pilot]

But then again most people just run from Barbs which is what they want

[south cliff]

Damn then I really really am a bad bad player if I keep using barbaro and always suck

[rugged pilot]

you get to a door and the barb has won

[alpine cairn]

once you hear barb scream, know you're already dead

[cobalt carbon]

Just gotta know how to play it. Might not be the right class for your playstyle too.

[rugged pilot]

I hated barb the entire playtest untill 12th

then something clicked and I started slaying players

[cobalt carbon]

That "something" was your shout keys that clicked. 🤣

[quartz sentinel]

don’t feel bad, the game is just hard starting out no matter what class you are!

[rugged pilot]

naw, I disliked how slow he was and the time to kill

[quartz sentinel]

for me it was trying felling axe

[rugged pilot]

realised once you get off the first axe he's actually very strong

[south cliff]

As a ranger i killed two barbs luring them in my traps

[cobalt carbon]

I love traps. 🏳️‍🌈

[alpine cairn]

traps are usefull, if you're aware there is a barb nearby

[rugged pilot]

Yeah traps not useful when you are being chased

closing door into trap doesn't give you enough time when he HERES FREDDY

[cobalt carbon]

Johnny?

[alpine cairn]

on a topic of traps, does "killed by a trap" counts as your kill, or nay?

[rugged pilot]

I forgot, my Barb is called Freddy

[cobalt carbon]

Next playtest, I'm naming my barb Daddy.
"DADDY'S COMIN' IN, BOYS!"

That comma is important

[quartz sentinel]

If you put away your axe you can jump over a trap anyway

[rugged pilot]

[south cliff]

So the axe perk is good for barb? Damn, I don't like axes too much, my soul is devoted to big big hammers

[rugged pilot]

LIEs

[cobalt carbon]

Shhhh. Keep this forbidden knowledge away.

[rugged pilot]

You cannot jump over ranger traps, this is ranger propaganda

[cobalt carbon]

Felling axe is the meta right now. It's so fast, so much DPS, even if you don't get the 1-tap.

[rugged pilot]

I like the maul at the moment

Nobody expects the little shaft tap

[cobalt carbon]

Maul is fun, but I wouldn't say it's good. (Or at least, the best)

[south cliff]

Wait. There are actually mauls??? Wheeeere

[rugged pilot]

I just enjoy it. Its crazy that they can cleave

[cobalt carbon]

It's the big 2h hammer.

They're pretty common.

As loot*

[rugged pilot]

I had a maul with 55dmg + 4 physical I think

it was killing

I had one swing with it where I killed a full enemy team and my own rogue

[south cliff]

Never fooounnd 😭😭

[cobalt carbon]

Check the weaponsmith every few matches.

Or check trade chat tbh. Probably sell for really cheap.

I never see anyone using them. A Cleric, once in a while.

[rugged pilot]

Some people see the shaft tap as a full swing and then engage on you

tank a hit and then crush their skull with the overhead

[versed crag]

Add a sound when someone sends you a trade request

[rugged pilot]

Why is it hard to pay attention to the screen

[shrewd sentinel]

This game needs the auction system because we are so many time spending trying the sell some items

[rugged pilot]

means the items you are trying to sell are worthless

[cobalt carbon]

Would be nice to just post something, tab out and do something else while waiting, I imagine? I don't visit trade chat, but I'm always for more quality of life.

[rugged pilot]

I agree but I don't want to benefit people that spam selling garbage

or sell good items way too heavy in price

[fickle plover]

There is no reason a trading post should require 100% of your attention, it should be passive system, and I'm sure it will be in full release

Tarkov already has a great trading system implemented that could be copied and work great

[quartz sentinel]

Auction house W

[cobalt carbon]

Let's not copy Tarkov.

[twin delta]

trade chat should let you post a sale like it's in a shop

[quartz sentinel]

agreed, if you aren’t getting trade requests then it isn’t worth that much

[fickle plover]

This game already is a copy of Tarkov, in RPG flavor

[twin delta]

then if someone wants to buy it for your asking price they click it

buy it like a normal item

[cobalt carbon]

And Tarkov is a copy of CoD

[rugged pilot]

Like, if you wanna sell 2 items and you are sitting there spamming your copypasta

[proud bay]

One of the best things about the trading post is that it requires your attention

[rugged pilot]

if nobody wants it then its either 1) Overpriced 2) Not worth selling

[fickle plover]

Lmao, CoD does not have a loot/extract model that predates Tarkov

[twin delta]

also the item filter

bless the item filter

[proud bay]

makes flipping items to make insane gold much harder

[quartz sentinel]

i do like bartering in real time though, lowballing is so powerful when someone hasn’t gotten an offer in forever

[proud bay]

which would really really taint a game like this

[cobalt carbon]

The joke went over your head there.

[twin delta]

no lie, so true simon

[rugged pilot]

Thats not the point of the game

[fickle plover]

Your joke was just bad

[rugged pilot]

You got mothers in tarkov that play the whole game from the sales menu

[cobalt carbon]

Tarkov is a copy of PUBG.

[cobalt obsidian]

Clerics judgement ability scales with magic power right?

[twin delta]

it does get adjusted yes

[fickle plover]

You obviously don't play Tarkov, you can't buy something from trade and resell it

[rugged pilot]

Its magical damage, so yes

[cobalt obsidian]

Do clerics like plate pants ?>

[twin delta]

yes they do

[rugged pilot]

No, but thats the entire gameplay

[quartz sentinel]

would only taint people who solely trade, having a market benefits people who actually play and loot instead of flipping

[rugged pilot]

They don't play tarkov to engage in pvp, they want to go in and find the rusty tubing to sell for 200200200 Ruskie Dollars

[sturdy spear]

can someone please tell me does the dual wield perk work with longsword?

[rugged pilot]

Why would it? Longsword is 2handed

[fickle plover]

Not everyone who plays Dark and Darker will be in it for PvP either, nor would a game want to restrict itself like that

[sturdy spear]

it's equipping a weapon in both hands after all

[rugged pilot]

But they shouldn't be in there for scalping on the trading post either

[rugged pilot]

thats... Not the same as dual wielding.

[proud bay]

I'm not referencing tarkov, I don't care what they do lol, the active trade in this game I believe is working great minus a few quality of life things. Having to spend time selling and buying make passive flipping much harder, which is a great thing for the overall prices of gear allowing more folks to buy and go rather than things exponentially increasing in price like many other rpg's with a passive AH

[ornate crater]

To be fair, if PvP is the only way you can play, good, but dont belittle others for having different approach

[fickle plover]

You cannot scalp on the trading post in Tarkov, if you buy something off the post you cannot resell it there

[cobalt carbon]

My man. If you love Tarkov so much, and want Dark and Darker to be more like Tarkov. Why not just go play Tarkov?

[quartz sentinel]

They should be in the trading post to play the game not for econ sim

[rugged pilot]

People can play on the trading post if they want, I just don't want updates to be focussed on them

[sturdy spear]

now tell me if ''shield expert'' functions when i'm blocking with longsword

[fickle plover]

Because the RPG aspect is fun. No need to get your panties in a bunch

[sturdy spear]

it's a defensive stance afterall

[rugged pilot]

Is it a shield?

[sturdy spear]

no but you are in a defensive stance when you are blocking with longsword

''barricade'' works with longsword

[rugged pilot]

I would imagine it works in any block or defensive stance yes

[sturdy spear]

does shield epxert do too?

[cobalt carbon]

So let's let Dark and Darker be a fun game on its own, and not try to be a Tarkov clone 👍

[quartz sentinel]

any right click block should count as defensive stance right?

[fickle plover]

It already is a Tarkov clone

[twin delta]

defense stance is any block, yes

[cobalt carbon]

Tarkov is a H1Z1 clone.

[sturdy spear]

pog

[quartz sentinel]

it’s a fresh genre not a clone

[fickle plover]

Another bad joke

[rugged pilot]

RPG? Are you roleplaying a merchant?

[cobalt carbon]

I'm dying.

[fickle plover]

OH I guess you didn't know, Dark and Darker took Tarkov, and applied DnD classes to it. DnD is a Role-playing game, aka RPG

[quartz sentinel]

bot?

[cobalt carbon]

Bot OP

[rugged pilot]

yeah I got spam warning for spamming = signs

[cobalt carbon]

Battle Royale with swords and spells = Tarkov

[rugged pilot]

In reality your name is BigBallsFighter04

BigBallsFighter04: WTS [Longsword] god roll only 480g

[fickle plover]

It's not a Battle Royale, you keep using words you don't know the meaning of

[rugged pilot]

RPG 🧙‍♂️ 🪓

[cobalt carbon]

It's.. Literally.. A Battle royale game. As much as PUBG and Fortnite are.

[rugged pilot]

No, its an extraction game

[fickle plover]

Lmao, you are so ignorant. It's a loot/extract game, started by Tarkov.

[hallow saffron]

I mean its a battle royale in the sense that there is a ring and youre fighting in an arena... but in essense its an extraction loot shooter.

[frozen tartan]

THIS GAME NEEDS DUOS. How likely are you to go into a dungeon with three people? One person out of three is gonna be smart enough to say no. But TWO people, oh the dumb shiz we do when it's just two people....

[cobalt carbon]

Right. It's a hybrid.

[rugged pilot]

You are not required to interact with another player unless you choose to. But the game is PVP focussed.

[quartz sentinel]

this is an rpg game? what am i roleplaying the victim?

[cobalt carbon]

To barbs, yes.

[rugged pilot]

It was not started by Tarkov lmao

Just because you only know of that one

[final crow]

I think The Division came out before Tarkov and that is kinda a loot and extract

[fickle plover]

Name an earlier loot/extract

[cobalt carbon]

Your Tarkov boner must be so hard right now.

[frozen tartan]

My mother

[rugged pilot]

technically there are so many

[ornate crater]

Is it? As far I know you get nothing for PvP other than maybe some gear

[rugged pilot]

Yes, the game is focussed on pvp

[ornate crater]

and PvP is not required to win/exit

[rugged pilot]

at its core, that is the point of playing the game. But you may choose not to

[ornate crater]

It's more focused on PvE and looting

[fickle plover]

Your gameplay style may be focused on PvP, doesn't mean the game is

[rugged pilot]

No, not at all.

[ornate crater]

It's not really the core of the game but whatevs

[frozen tartan]

Can we all just agree the game needs DUOS

[uncut bay]

How is it more focused on PvE and looting when you're on a map with 18 other players that would love to kill you?

[rugged pilot]

if it was focussed on PVE they wouldn't keep nerfing utility spells on wizard lmao

[ornate crater]

no it does not

[fickle plover]

Technically you're avoiding the question because you don't have an answer

[cobalt carbon]

Duos would be nice, but it's also pretty risky to split the playerbase further.

[quartz sentinel]

i prefer playing duos in trios, more loot

[rugged pilot]

I am done responding to you, troll

[fickle plover]

You're done responding because you don't have a response

[frozen tartan]

I think more people might...

[cobalt carbon]

Sir. Does it matter what game came first? Tarkov copied the jump button from CoD.

[rugged pilot]

You are a tarkov enjoyer and thats fine, but I know how toxic you are now.

[ornate crater]

Just leave them be. Some ppl cannot accept that their playstyle is not the only one

[rugged pilot]

I know PvP playstyle is not the only one

[quartz sentinel]

your argument is just stupid raptor and nobody cares enough

[rugged pilot]

but that doesn't change the game is clearly made for PvP in the dungeons

[fickle plover]

It doesn't matter, you just said I was wrong about something, and now that it turns out I wasn't, you say it doesn't matter. You made it a point to begin with

[frozen tartan]

DUOS.

[cobalt carbon]

When did I say you were wrong?

[ornate crater]

Perhaps it was made for PvP but right now it's more PvE

since you dont have to PvP to win

[rugged pilot]

Incorrect

[quartz sentinel]

arguing about arguing is an endless battle 😴

[frozen tartan]

Mom... brother and sister are fighting again...

[ornate crater]

and you need PvE to loot and leave

[rugged pilot]

'more' pve is not a fact

[cobalt carbon]

Shut the F up Timmy!

Go to your room!

[uncut bay]

When the ring closes, you are literally forced to engage with other players

[rugged pilot]

The game being centered on PVP is a fact

[fickle plover]

You don't know what a fact is

[rugged pilot]

There are not enough portals for every player to do PVE and live

Fact

[ornate crater]

nah, you can sneak and grab portal, they might be all dead or just go deeper

[frozen tartan]

*** Cries in room while Jimmy hits mom from back like hes michael jordan on the backboard *

[fickle plover]

Yes there are

[cobalt carbon]

When did I say you were wrong? Come on my boy. Show me.

[uncut bay]

There aren't enough portals for everyone, hence why you need to fight

[rugged pilot]

Troll offering nothing

[fickle plover]

Breeze did and you're arguing the same point, semantics

[rugged pilot]

Troll still offering nothing

[cobalt carbon]

Nah, putting words in other people's mouths isn't semantics.

[fickle plover]

There literally are enough portals for everyone to live and extract, some just have to take reds first. Do the math

[hallow saffron]

I mean if youre looking for the original looter shooter extraction game it would have still been from BSG before 2012. EFT was afterall based on their game contract wars

[frozen tartan]

I LIKE RED PORTALS

[uncut bay]

How are you extracting if you take red portals lmao

[frozen tartan]

JUST NOT MINOTAURS OR DEMONS DOGS

[fickle plover]

There are extracts in red?

[uncut bay]

You're just going deeper into the dungeon

[quartz sentinel]

No matter what your chance to escape is impacted by another player so there is a pvp element even if you are going to stealth someone’s blue

[rugged pilot]

Most people die to lvl 1 barbs with battleaxe and no healing

they aren't living in hell

[cobalt carbon]

No PVP, only voip and making friends.

[frozen tartan]

Kiss your fellow brethren, it wasnt weird back in the day

[uncut bay]

"Yeah, I'll extract by going deeper into the dungeon"

"I'm safe now"

[rugged pilot]

you can extract from red

[quartz sentinel]

good argument, i counter that persuading them to be your friend is the fight

[wind pagoda]

How do I get a blue name

[fickle plover]

Yes, it's literally a valid option... if you're good enough to do red. Just because you aren't doesn't mean that's the case for everyone

[wind pagoda]

How do I acquire the holy blue name

[rugged pilot]

Troll still going

[cobalt carbon]

I got an entire lobby to be on my team in Hunt: Showdown once. Well. Almost entire lobby. There was one team who we all murdered. But we don't talk about that.

[quartz sentinel]

getting upvoted by peoples karma reports

[wind pagoda]

Ooohhhh

How many do I need

[twin delta]

makes sense

[cobalt carbon]

Go for the red name, it looks better.

[rugged pilot]

red ones are downvoted

[quartz sentinel]

so being kind or like carrying is usually enough

[wind pagoda]

Red name is way cooler

[quartz sentinel]

based

[fickle plover]

Just because you've never extracted red doesn't mean it's a thing

[wind pagoda]

I'm going for red name 10p%

[rugged pilot]

all you have to do is teamkill for it

[wind pagoda]

100%

[cobalt carbon]

My friend is boosting me to red.

[rugged pilot]

Done plenty cheers mate

[cobalt carbon]

Feelsgood

[uncut bay]

That's not an extraction. That's going deeper into the dungeon. You've extracted when you're in the tavern and able to sell your loot

[rugged pilot]

you can in the red

[uncut bay]

Learn what extraction means thanks

[fickle plover]

and you can do that in Red

[rugged pilot]

This guy has never done it because he's camping exfils on tarkov

[quartz sentinel]

did you guys know that the double axe has a hitbox behind you? did you know that clerics can’t take a hit to the head?

[fickle plover]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-ill-die-gif-9704573

Breeze when there are no blues

[cobalt carbon]

That's a lie, good sir. As a Cleric bopist, I can confirm, have taken hits to the head.

[rugged pilot]

There is never a shortage of blues, I have usually killed half the lobby by then

[fickle plover]

Probably all of them because you're such a gigachad

[rugged pilot]

Not all of them I'm not that good

[river narwhal]

how does the make a suggestio channel work?

[cobalt carbon]

Hey, we're complimenting each other now. That's an improvement.

[toxic grail]

add pink portals where when u go thru it you lose all ur gear and go to heaven but u get to pet the tavern dogg a little bit longer

[rugged pilot]

yet

[rugged pilot]

He's trying to gigatroll but cant

[twin delta]

double-axe's 'backswing' hitbox is a thing on all weapons. your weapons have an active hitbox during the full swing, not just in front of you or around the cursor

[fickle plover]

Cringe

[quartz sentinel]

do .suggestion then whatever your suggestion is

[cobalt carbon]

Bot ate my response.

[twin delta]

so i've found out something strange

it's been feeling more rewarding playing rat rogue than murderhobo

[uncut bay]

You haven't extracted until you're in the tavern

Just because you can doesn't mean you have

[cobalt carbon]

Ratting is fun. I like playing the game like it's a horror game.

[twin delta]

killing players is a bit too easy, but escaping a full party trying to get your ass? hilarious

[cobalt carbon]

Also like making sniffing sounds at people in voip when they pass by.

[quartz sentinel]

it’s an extract for me cause I don’t die in hell 😈

[twin delta]

i got the barbarian in a team to one-shot their cleric 'cause i crouch jumped over the group from a barrel

[fickle plover]

That... doesn't change the argument. It's still possible for all players to extract.

Whether it's from 2 or 3 is irrelevant

[rugged pilot]

Everybody already knows your a troll now, these bait arguments are pathetic

[fickle plover]

Basic math is "bait"

[twin delta]

🎣

[cobalt carbon]

See you guys later. I'm off to play Tarkov and sit in a bush for 35 minutes.

[twin delta]

tarkov ratting is not as fun as dark and darker

[rugged pilot]

Have a good one brother

[twin delta]

mostly 'cause the on-command smoke bomb is so damn good

[quartz sentinel]

35 minute bush or 10 minute game

[rugged pilot]

Invis pot

[cobalt carbon]

I lied, I just wanted to see if anyone would get upset by that comment.

[rugged pilot]

rat potion

[cobalt carbon]

Tarkov sucks. Put like 50 hours into it. Hot garbage.
Have a nice day.

[rugged pilot]

Hunt is the best released extraction game to date

[twin delta]

i'm gonna suggest invis to be renamed to 'rat'

[fickle plover]

Tarkov has a lot of issues, some of which Dark and Darker already does better, like audio

[cobalt carbon]

Don't get me started on Hunt's audio. Absolute perfection.

[toxic grail]

this dudes never gone to walmart thats the best extraction

[rugged pilot]

Rat Potion

[toxic grail]

a potion that turns u into a rat?

[twin delta]

hunt's audio design alongside deep rock galactic

[rugged pilot]

Rock and Stone brother

[cobalt carbon]

I really do hope Dark and Darker's audio steps up a bit. It's pretttty lacking right now. Same with lighting. Torches shining through the ground.

[reef spindle]

Do we know the quarterstaff attack movement speed?

[cobalt carbon]

Speedy.

[rugged pilot]

it do be fast

[cobalt carbon]

Time to make a Wizard and use Fire weapon on him, use a Quarterstaff, and name him
Hotrod

[quartz sentinel]

Agree, i should be able to hide in a completely dark room that isn’t impacted by a torch in the room above but not like game ruining

[rugged pilot]

lmao

[toxic grail]

i hard someone say that rogues should have a dodge roll, i love rogues and want them to thrive but does that seem like a terrifying idea to anyone else??

[rugged pilot]

doesn't have one

[cobalt carbon]

Yeah, no. I don't want Dark Souls style dodging in this game.

[rugged pilot]

oh 'should', eh. no

Maybe a mordhau style backstep but tbh it seems strong

[quartz sentinel]

i prefer embarrassing people by strafing

[cobalt carbon]

Unless it completely screws with your camera, then forces your character to vomit after doing it 3 times.

[toxic grail]

i think rogue has plenty of time to escape after they get a stab off, i feel like their "getting up to your back" potential need a buff

[rugged pilot]

Rogue would be fine if he had a cheat death to 1hp ability

[quartz sentinel]

meh, 10 steps is plenty

[toxic grail]

idk i dont like the 10 steps personally

[cobalt carbon]

I wish they'd reverse the nerf to Rogue's stealth.
Last playtest, and before, it was fine. Now, if you go invis, and someone touches you, it breaks your invis. That's awful imo. Leave it to the player to be like "HUH, I'M RUNNING AGAINST AN INVISIBLE OBJECT IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROOM. WEIRD."

[toxic grail]

it did that for me last playtest tho?

[rugged pilot]

issue is at the moment, I get a rubberband and think I'm touching a rogue

[cobalt carbon]

It didn't do that for me last playtest.

[rugged pilot]

so I'm swinging

[toxic grail]

it happened to me multiple times last playtest im pretty sure

[cobalt carbon]

I had people run against me, and be like "wtf, can't get past this door"

Was hilarious.

Visible confusion.

Until they hit me

[simple helm]

The thing that gets me is that rogue stealth just ends after a timer goes off even if your standing still

[cobalt carbon]

Yeah.

[fickle plover]

IMO skills shouldn't be automatic, they should require personal skill to utilize well. The rogue doesn't need an easy time stealthing

[cobalt carbon]

But now, it breaks if someone walks against you as well.

[rugged pilot]

also went to smash a door as Barb and 1shot a stealthed rogue

very funny

[toxic grail]

idk if rogues should have potentially infinite stealth

[fickle plover]

They definitely should not

[cobalt carbon]

I don't mean potentially infinite.

[quartz sentinel]

I would rather trap my teammate with the enemy then be bumped and it cancel my invis

[rugged pilot]

I reckon you should be able to cancel stealth early and get the duration cut off the cooldown

[cobalt carbon]

Prior playtests, if a rogue was invis, it would run out with either: The timer, or getting hit by an enemy.
Now, it breaks if an ally accidentally brushes against you by walking around.

[simple helm]

If I am hiding I should be able to do that continually, its not like the game dosnt have mechanism that make camping permently in a spot non viable, the wall would get you

[rugged pilot]

if I had 15 seconds left it cuts 15 seconds off the cooldown

[toxic grail]

My main problem with the 10 steps thing is that its really easy to counter it, if u know someone stealthed u just wait out the timer, and gg. So what then? infinite stealth no way thats way to broken. I think it would be nice if stealths duration was drastically lower, but we didnt have a step limit

[fickle plover]

If they know you stealthed you're aren't playing the rogue well

[rugged pilot]

Can rogue re-arm traps that are disarmed?

[cobalt carbon]

No.

[rugged pilot]

Give us that also

[simple helm]

I'm only saying unlimited standing still stealth

[cobalt carbon]

Nah, I like the timer.

[simple helm]

moving stealthed should certainly remain timed

[cobalt carbon]

Makes it an active skill, not a passive. You have to know when to use it.

[rugged pilot]

Unlimited no, but maybe allow him to chug potions while stealthed

so you could use pots to stealth longer

[river narwhal]

when i make a suggestion does it have to be accepted by admins before being voted for or is there somewhere i can se it?

[simple helm]

choosing to stand still or move are both choices

[cobalt carbon]

It just sucks, if the people have no idea you're there, and then accidentally brush against you, which breaks invis. Pure luck on their part.

[cobalt carbon]

It appears in #d-and-d-suggestions.

[toxic grail]

rogue is a aggressive opportunist, obviously u dont want them to know u stealthed so 9/10 u will do it early out of sight/earshot. But what happenes if they dont get close enough for u to ambush and they loot the other half of the room? well eventually youll pop out and theyll prob just kill u

thats why i think u should be allowed to be quite aggressive in stealth

[simple helm]

what do you mean by aggresive in stealth?

[cobalt carbon]

Gotta use the shadows as a form of stealth too, don't just rely on the ability.

[simple helm]

we can attack from stealth already

[fickle plover]

You're really just asking for easy mode, every class has their limitations and you want to remove one of the rogue's.

[rugged pilot]

Kinda pointless that stealthed rogue has loud footsteps

[twin delta]

yeah you can very easily attack from stealth

[rugged pilot]

Even with perk people hear you coming

[twin delta]

ambush using a throwing knife if you don't want to waste it

[toxic grail]

i do use shadows as a form of stealth

[river narwhal]

right so i put one in and i dont see it in that channel, and when i try to do it again the screen just shakes and i cant hit send. i used the command .suggestion is this the correct command or was i supposed to just to .suggest

[toxic grail]

it also doesnt help that if stealth when in shadows u make a massive glow that is visible thru the pitch black

[cobalt carbon]

It's just .suggest

[simple helm]

your on a timer from your last suggestion

[river narwhal]

off is their a time limit before i can suggest again, sorry to ask so many questions

[rugged pilot]

You gotta wait like 6 hours to use the right command 😂

[cobalt carbon]

You do like .suggest blah blah, my opinion here.

Timer will last 4 hours or something, before you can make a new suggestion.

[river narwhal]

yikes

;p;

okay thanks guys

[rugged pilot]

All good mang

[fickle plover]

There are so many ways to get into a position to ambush a team. Just because you see players across the map doesn't mean you should be able to stealth to them right away. Get in a room between them and a circle, put out some torches, set up an ambush. Clicking stealth is just the finishing touch, it shouldn't be all you need

[toxic grail]

if i stealthed cause i heard someone coming my way and they started looting the other side of the room, or fighting a mob due to the slow paced nature of looting/pve my stealth will usually run out of time. after that happened rogues really dont have serious options of winning a head on fight, they need their stealth

[simple helm]

Humm, if Bards are gonna be a thing, what if they could disguise themselves as other classes

[rugged pilot]

and then even while stealth you take a single step and the ranger hears you

[fading mica]

Why can't i suggest stuff?

[rugged pilot]

gg

[simple helm]

Like good old TF2 Spy, purely cosmetic ofcourse

[cobalt carbon]

It's easy to just suggest things without being there.. Buut, my suggestion is to actually break invis. It's a risk, but if you know you messed up on your stealth, break invis so it goes back on cooldown.

[river narwhal]

yeah i liked it when rouge invis steps didnt make sound

that wasnt suppsed to be a reply lol

[rugged pilot]

This is why cutting the remaining time on invis from the cooldown would be nice

reward rogues for playing correctly

[cobalt carbon]

Yeah, I wouldn't be sad with that. I feel like Rogues are in a weak position right now, compared to other classes.

It baffles me why they nerfed the invis in the first place.

[rugged pilot]

Like nice, I wasted half my invis but I get 15 seconds off the next one

[toxic grail]

break invis with them in the room? is basically asking for a death sentence, if ur gonna break stealth with them in the room you should be ready to start running

[rugged pilot]

or let them silent chug a rat potion in the invis so they can invis longer

[river narwhal]

also i think that when you go invis in shadows with no lights the bright blue outline that pops up cant be seen

[cobalt carbon]

Yes. Be ready to start running, but don't let them know that. Again, I'm talking about like if you're in the shadows, not being seen currently.

[toxic grail]

it can be seen

sadly

[rugged pilot]

Still need to allow us to cancel invis without moving

[fading mica]

.shortinfo

[eager sable]

Please provide a valid suggestion ID.

[rugged pilot]

one step is all you need to die as rogue

[cobalt carbon]

Mooost people aren't that good, to hear one step. Especially if it's a team you're by.

[rugged pilot]

Not the teams I encounter, both enemy rogues and ours

[quartz sentinel]

part of the skill is using stealth correctly honestly, rat rogue doesn’t feel bad right now and I think it would make the game less fun for others if rogues could wait for the perfect moment

[rugged pilot]

I move a single step the Barb 180's instantly

[cobalt carbon]

I have unnaturally good luck, so there's that.

[toxic grail]

idk i just wish that stealth lasted a very short duration with no footstep limit had muted footsteps and

im talking like very short duration

[rugged pilot]

And when we have a ranger there is not a single step around us that they don't hear

[quartz sentinel]

coerce one of your friends into being your pocket wizard 😈

[cobalt carbon]

Ew, gross. Who even uses the soundwhore perk anyway?

[rugged pilot]

every ranger

[twin delta]

ranger's hearing perk is broken in party, but they do seem to have naturally improved hearing range

[cobalt carbon]

Not me, my man.

[toxic grail]

soundwhore perk is pretty important

[quartz sentinel]

i like more damage but i’m also bad at ranger ):

[fickle plover]

Me neither, but I do run tracking, makes for some fun hunts

[rugged pilot]

even if only for himself, the ranger needs to hear the rogues

[cobalt carbon]

I can typically sound whore people well enough. I haven't felt like the perk is even useful.

[wicked valve]

Why are people so much against an >optional< PvE completly seperated from PvPvE?

[twin delta]

there's a bug where any form of platemail boots overrides all other sounds

[rugged pilot]

Because the core of the game is not PVE

[cobalt carbon]

Splits the playerbase.

[rugged pilot]

and it'll seperate playerbase

[quartz sentinel]

safe loot isn’t loot

[twin delta]

the big reason is more so because if you have a pve quarantine, you don't get easy pickings for the pvp players to bully

[tender stream]

Bruh who suggested for the game to be free xd. I want to pay sth around 20 bucks for it relase or more for it to be good

[twin delta]

that's the thing though, the pve suggestions that go 'you don't gain any loot, you don't lose any loot' is also hated

[cobalt carbon]

I don't want the game to be free to play.

F2p = hacker central.

[twin delta]

hacker and bot

[wicked valve]

literally not true at all. I wont play the game after release at all if I can't get PvE

[rugged pilot]

Mildly true?

[cobalt carbon]

Right, but you're a vast, vast minority.

[toxic grail]

unfourtunate i hope u find a fun pve looter

[wicked valve]

It is tho? Many people die in the first minute to PvE

[rugged pilot]

Right now because the game is new

[quartz sentinel]

There will be an easier dungeon right? I assume people who prefer pve will have a better time in it

[river narwhal]

i dont think this should be a thing it ruins the point of the game, and if it was a thing the character should have to be completely locked to pve only, so you cant just farm gear in pve and then go murder people in pvpve.

[fickle plover]

and because we start in hard mode

[wicked valve]

Well I have 3 friends that tried it once and said "nope" due to PvP

[rugged pilot]

put 2 hours into the game just to learn pve, buy yourself a weapon upgrade and then tell me the pvp is hard

[toxic grail]

the core of the game is to build loot reserved and extract so u can become stronger. if the game was full pve what are u getting better gear for so u can kill the very basic ai easier?

the game is obviously very pvp centric

[wicked valve]

Character should be bound to PvE mode then so they cant farm for PvPvE

[cobalt carbon]

Sorry to hear that. But again, vast, vast minority. I suggest you all find a game you enjoy together. This isn't that game though, as PvP is going to be a focus.

[fickle plover]

I would say that' d be okay, if at character creation the player was perma-locked to PvE only, different trade markets

[quartz sentinel]

Then go play a pve game with similar combat styles like valheim

[rugged pilot]

You slay all PVE with one single weapon upgrade and a bit of common sense

[lyric heath]

That's splitting the playerbase, most games won't do that

There's already so many PvE dungeon looters out there

[wicked valve]

Okay toxic cringe boy

[rugged pilot]

I don't understand why people come to PVP focussed games and desire PVE content

nobody is going to Stardew Valley and asking for PVP arena

Games like this but PVE??

Why?

[river narwhal]

this was a thought that crossed my mind while typing my original message but i decided id put in my thought anyway, but i agree it just makes more servers that need to be managed and splits the playerbase

[cobalt carbon]

Dark and Darker would be a fun PVE game. For a week or so. Then you're just grinding the same mobs on the same maps, doing the same thing, every time.

PVP adds that dynamic, ever-changing flair. No two games will be the same, because there are other players wanting your booty.

[wicked valve]

I forgot that only "chill games" are PvE
Never palyed Skyrim on legendary huh? or similar games

[quartz sentinel]

Most people learning won’t have fun in pvp because they used their resources on pve

it’s the way it is

[fickle plover]

PvP is a main component but it's not the focus, you can easily loot/extract plenty without seeing players, but you can't loot/extract without engaging some PvE

[toxic grail]

guys why cant we get a pvp mode for cod zombies :<

[uncut bay]

what are some good warrior perks?

[rugged pilot]

Yes I have, but I don't go to the forums or discord and demand PVP content

[uncut bay]

fighter**

[lyric heath]

Nevermind the fact that they're balancing weapons and armor around PvP much more than PvE, If things were PvE only there's no way the current gear would be balanced

[cobalt carbon]

I mean. Bethesda games are notorious for being shitty on high difficulty. Because they just scale the HP of mobs to infinity. Yes, so much fun fighting a rat with a Daedric warhammer and hitting it 4 times. Just like I did at level 4 with an iron dagger.

[wicked valve]

Wellp I hope you are wrong because this game could easily be a game for peolple who like PvP and for people who dislike it... its not hard to do even if they say "we dont focus on PvE mode you have to work with what u get even if its getting boring fast"

[toxic grail]

yeah but only if ur very lucky u wont bump into players if u keep playing like that eventually ull bump into ppl, which means at that point youll have to actively avoid them, that might as well be pvp

[rugged pilot]

Increasing player count in matches -> nerfing utility and PVP related skills

[wicked valve]

True! thats why this game could be an epic alternative 🙂

[rugged pilot]

I don't think Wizard is being butchered for his "haste and invis" because the skeletons have been having a hard time

[quartz sentinel]

I feel like the warriors perks are split for like 4 different play styles and it kinda sucks. The armor one, successive strike, and the one that gives you less movement speed penalty are my favs but definitely experiment for your play style

[wicked valve]

Who demanded it? I say I wont buy the game if I dont get PvE.. that is somewhat demanding but alsow why should I buy a game I dont like? That just doesnt make sense

[cobalt carbon]

It could be! It really could be. If the devs focused on PVE content. But, they're focused on PVP. I'm pretty sure it's a small dev team, that won't be able to focus on doing both things well at the same time. Which goes back to PVE enjoyers being a minority. Most of the playerbase wants PVP, and good PVP.

[nova laurel]

Yeah cause ranger is completely reasonable class. Better nerf wiz

[rugged pilot]

Thats an ultimatum

If you don't like the game, why are you here?

[nova laurel]

You always get the pvetards

That die to skelly footman in min one

[quartz sentinel]

be kinder

[nova laurel]

Askin for pve mode

[rugged pilot]

Theres no need to be toxic to them

But asking for a PVE mode to a PVP game is silly

[nova laurel]

The sheer entitlement pisses me off

[cobalt carbon]

I can see the appeal. If Dark and Darker was focused on for a PVE game, it could be fun. But, fact is, it's being focused as a PVP game.

[rugged pilot]

Barony exists already, pve

[nova laurel]

Wanna pve looter? Go play warframe

Game is fun asf

[cobalt carbon]

I wish Warframe's PVP was good. 🤣

[wicked valve]

Okay I wont continue to reply to you because you don't make sense... (this is the last one) I like everything to the game how it feels etc but not that a guy claims that hes friendly and then stabs me in the back while there are enough exits for everyone left

[rugged pilot]

"you guys just wanna kill all the PVE players, thats why you rival a PVE mode"

No, we just don't want the game to be developed 50/50 for PVE players

[cobalt carbon]

It'd be reminiscent of Tribes in that disgusting "Everything is moving way too fast" sort of way.

[shrewd sedge]

Technically it's a PvPvE game that in solo you can get destroyed just by the goblins themselves. Not every one of them should have poison

[nova laurel]

Conclave is hilarious if you know the right people xD

[lyric heath]

sounds like free loot to me

[rugged pilot]

I think they should

[wicked valve]

Sounds like toxic opportunist to me

[quartz sentinel]

Avoiding other players is usually better than trusting them

[nova laurel]

Wait people online lie

[lyric heath]

He PvP'd me in a PvP game, therefore he is toxic!

[nova laurel]

NO WAY

[rugged pilot]

stab him first

Truly and easily just that

[river narwhal]

right so simple. you cant endure playing the game because its too hard for you and you just want to be the main character, so unistall and dont come back 😄

[cobalt carbon]

You toxic bastards are ruining my Charisma skill.

I love getting other teams to fight for me.

[shrewd sedge]

I don't think every single one of them should, it kind of makes it to where some can't advance too well solo on the game. Also the barbarian Skeleton is a tad much to try and avoid to try to deal with even with a trio and I feel it shouldn't be around for a solo.

[cobalt carbon]

And watching them die for me.

[wicked valve]

As I said they dont have to focus on that.. I understand this is a PvPvE game.. but putting a minimal amount of effort in releasing PvE onyl they could easily make more money while almost not chaning anything

[rugged pilot]

Barbarian skeleton?

You mean the Champion?

[shrewd sedge]

yes

it's easier to just call it a barbarian champion because it acts like it one

[uncut bay]

thanks

[rugged pilot]

You should be fighting him with a team and its very easy

[wicked valve]

It is not a PvP game tho? You want it to be PvP but it is PvPvE

[hallow saffron]

its a draughr guys come on

call it by its proper name

[shrewd sedge]

Except he's around in solo runs

[rugged pilot]

You call out you have his aggro and walk away while others him him in the back

[fickle plover]

Once you learn attack patterns and basic footsies, all the PvE content minus some level 3 mini-bosses/bosses is very easy

[rugged pilot]

Its very easy to sheathe weapon and run to a door and close it behind you

or team up with other players and kill it

[quartz sentinel]

he is big skeleton take it or leave it

[shrewd sedge]

it still feels like a bit much

[rugged pilot]

Or if Ranger you can simply kill it easily

[twin delta]

playing valheim has trained me for the habit of sheathing the weapon then bailing out of a fight

[river narwhal]

massive boner is what i call him

[toxic grail]

rust is a PvPvE game but u wont hear a single player say that game isint a purely pvp game

[rugged pilot]

Don't go down to the bottom floor and open the stone door

you will have a heart attack

[lyric heath]

I'm not saying it's not also a PvE game, I'm saying that people PvPing you at the portal isn't ''toxic''

[rugged pilot]

[shrewd sedge]

I've been only able to get around as the ranger on solo because it's the only thing I can get damage out while keeping away enough as attempting with a melee just seems awkward.

[twin delta]

so i ran into a tri-ranger party and almost got away from 'em

[wicked valve]

Are you actually not able to read? I am playing and it is fun... but when I meet people like you it is not fun so I would love an alternative

[cobalt carbon]

I get it. I do. But sadly, like I said. Vast, vast minority. There are so few people who want PVE mode, and so many more people who are religiously against it (as you can see).

It just won't happen. You can #1048762118255673428 and ask for a PVE mode, and it'll get spammed with downvotes. A few of them have been requested, always looked down upon. Devs are focused on the PVP aspect, for now at least.

[twin delta]

they kept throwing torches on the ground to see me and i just picked them up instead

[rugged pilot]

heres the alternative

[shrewd sedge]

yea I know about the troll

[rugged pilot]

Endless Dungeon

Barony

[twin delta]

man, an endless dungeon would be sick

[shrewd sedge]

Endless dungeon would be great to have as an alternative and having a full party of 4

[twin delta]

like less than a third of your blue exit portals, rest are replaced with reds

[fickle plover]

You just have to learn how to bait and dodge attacks, it doesn't take too much practice

[twin delta]

it's just procedurally generated dungeon levels

[wicked valve]

People run you down through the whole map sometimes... thats just not fun for me.. and then they are crying because "people are to fast I cant catch them and kill them all the time"

[rugged pilot]

I'm talking about the PVE dungeon looter game

Endless Dungeon™️

[shrewd sedge]

oh yeah that game is pretty fun

[rugged pilot]

Then get some friends

and kill them

[shrewd sedge]

I've had people outrun me just by removing their clothes while I'm not wearing any.

[twin delta]

oh y'mean dungeon of the endless

[wicked valve]

Okay minorities should just shut up and life with the decisions of majorities epic

[simple helm]

Would Haste perhapse be better moved to the upcoming Bard class? It's a bard spell in traditional RPG's

[twin delta]

you see, the same people who made endless space and dungeon of the endless are making the new game: endless dungeon (i am not joking)

[quartz sentinel]

I refuse to believe there are that many warmongers

[fickle plover]

No you should just find a game where your wants are represented by the majority

[rugged pilot]

You can legitimately just go and play a game where the problems you exprience here don't exist

[lyric heath]

I was just playing Dungeon of the Endless last week, that game is bomb

[cobalt carbon]

Did you read what I said? Go to #1048762118255673428 . I didn't say "Shut up", I said go speak up about it. But, as you can see, most people here are very against a PVE mode.

Don't try to put words in my mouth.

[shrewd sedge]

I feel if there is a PvE mode it's an endless dungeon mode where you can get out but only at certain levels so you have to plan accordingly and able to have a party of 4

[wicked valve]

No I can't cause PvP players cause most games to be PvP nowadays.. I dont want to play 11 year odl games (skyrim)

[rugged pilot]

No, they don't. They just play games that have PVP in them

Because.............. They are a pvp game.

[fickle plover]

If you want PvE only take the red portal, hardly anyone does

[twin delta]

hell yeah

[simple helm]

If the economy were completly seperated then I could see a PvE mode existing, otherwise it would be used to farm gear

[quartz sentinel]

based

[shrewd sedge]

problem is by the time you're down there your out of resources

[rugged pilot]

and if it was seperate it would be boring after 10h

[quartz sentinel]

i’ve only met 2 groups in hell out of like 30 runs

[rugged pilot]

Nobody likes farming skeletons forever to get nowhere

[wicked valve]

I'm sorry.. some people here are just so unfriendly it is easy to think other are the same
I did make a suggestion and it has double the downvotes that upvotes... but why are people downvoting thing that dont regard them? You dont loose anything when im playing PvE and not just not play... the opposite is the case.. they can continue to work on the game cause I provide money (once i can buy the game)

[wicked valve]

They do tho.. how can I block you kind sir? 🙂

[rugged pilot]

Yeah you are right, the only people being toxic to you where immeidately told to stop being toxic.

But keep playing victim just because I don't agree with your suggestion

[river narwhal]

just leave htis channel