suggestion-discussion

[wintry wind]

I mean, for Longsword though, that extra attack speed after a parry riposte could be strong

[deep jacinth]

Fw?

[exotic bronze]

It does increase your riposte speeds but its not that significant.

[exotic bronze]

shorthand for fuck with

[granite plinth]

at least in library, mages can be dealt with range and if they're having troubles vs cockroaches then that's skill issue

[exotic bronze]

😭

[deep jacinth]

I mean I take it because I like having both

I don't think they're necessarily the mvp

[exotic bronze]

In theory the best out of combat heal outside of surgical kit would be popping potions and then bandaging

[deep jacinth]

But you hp and bandage and that's increase healing speed as well

[exotic bronze]

but I dont rlly care lol

[deep jacinth]

Surgical kits feel like they don't exist

They never drop

[granite plinth]

tbh I won't be surprised if cleric healing gets nerfed, right now we don't feel that much punishment when encountering people or mobs

[wintry wind]

Would be nice if the SUrgeon had a chance for one in the store

[deep jacinth]

I mean I guess I wouldn't want them every where

[wintry wind]

Low chance

[bright pecan]

Yeah thats the biggest issue, maybe they could make it so that you get a healing debuff on consumables for x ammount of time after starting combat, cause it honestly feels pretty bad to have to down your whole healing stash because you got hit twice

[exotic bronze]

My issue with bandages is they're actually more expensive per HP point recovered.

3 grey tier bandages heal 10 each, cost 15gp, thats 2 hp per gp

3 grey tier potions heal 15 each, cost 18gp, that's 2.5 hp per gp

[deep jacinth]

Agreed

That's not an issue to me

[exotic bronze]

their main use imo is on Rogue so they dont make u a christmas tree in the dark

[deep jacinth]

Stacking pots is even more expensive than that

[exotic bronze]

I'd rather quickly sip a pot and wait for heal in combat than attempt a bandage

and out of combat who cares how long it takes

[deep jacinth]

I would rather get faster healing outside of combat with bandages plus a pot

[hallow saffron]

pop 1 5 pot, pop a 19 pot, heal 34 hp while moving back into combat!

[deep jacinth]

Personally

[bright pecan]

I think the high damage numbers are balanced, my problem is just how much you have to invest to get back to full after a single mistake

[deep jacinth]

Plus badasges feel good to use imo with the sounds haha

[exotic bronze]

thats what I usually do lol

[hallow saffron]

lol

[exotic bronze]

fastest heal is protection pots B)

[deep jacinth]

Protection pots are great

[exotic bronze]

insanely slept on

[deep jacinth]

Temp HP is just a great idea

For this type of game

[granite plinth]

personally, the only mistake this game has is wizards

[hallow saffron]

LMFAO someone earlier thought Prot pots blocked magic damage

[exotic bronze]

ya they dont.

[deep jacinth]

They don't?

That's stupid imo

[exotic bronze]

do prot pots stack with Clerics protection spell?

[hallow saffron]

they stipulate physical damage

[hallow saffron]

yes

[granite plinth]

and that is why I love running Judgement on Cleric

[exotic bronze]

holy shit peter im cu

[deep jacinth]

I guess it's fine though

[bright pecan]

Honestly healing being so expensive just incentivizes people to play like rats because a single fight can set you back a bunch of gold in healing alone

[hallow saffron]

yeah I killed a barb with ignite through their prot pot the other day

[deep jacinth]

Because the majority of damage in the game is phys

[exotic bronze]

ok time to abuse this and be a 140 hp cleric every combat encounter

i thought they didnt stack 😭

[deep jacinth]

That's good to know

[hallow saffron]

Better heals = less time out of combat = more pricey. Its more cost efficient to just buy the 10 hp banadage stacks at 15 hp potion stacks

[exotic bronze]

i have like 30 prot pots on my cleric i dont use

[deep jacinth]

I would never think that a bubble shield would not work vs magic

[exotic bronze]

🤤

[deep jacinth]

But whatever haha

[granite plinth]

with all due respect, I've played this game for 5 days now and so far I have no problem affording healing items.

[deep jacinth]

I do

I die a lot though

[granite plinth]

Welp.

[exotic bronze]

Yeah but you main Cleric :^)

[deep jacinth]

But I'm still a good player

I do well in team fights

[granite plinth]

I have Fighter and Barb

[exotic bronze]

Clerics dont even need healing pots in Goblin Caves, just default gear + extract via eastern entrance

[deep jacinth]

Idk why I have trouble stacking

I get really bad luck with third partief

[ember yarrow]

anyone else think you should be allowed to talk in the gathering hall or is that just me?

[exotic bronze]

Ngl I find Barb rlly eco but with Fighter I do sometimes feel pained for budget

[deep jacinth]

And I don't have a working headset right now

[bright pecan]

Im bad at the game, most of my runs arent succesful, and the few i succeed i just burn trough my gold reserves on healing and other utility

[deep jacinth]

So my hearing isn't good

[ember yarrow]

regardless of level

[exotic bronze]

What classes do u main

[deep jacinth]

You need a team imo

[bright pecan]

Mostly fighter

[deep jacinth]

Do you solo everything?

[bright pecan]

A lot of the time yeah

[deep jacinth]

It's hard to get through things on your own

[exotic bronze]

Yaa fighter is the least budget class in the game tbf. Maybe switch to Cleric or Barb for cheaper/more successful solo runs. I love fighter but their kits cost the most.

[hallow saffron]

Horlof honestly just rely on the small heals and play safe. learn the patterns and minimize how much damage you take. Fighter should not be having healing issues if you learn your damage numbers properly and run the strike. 5 hp at base max health per kill is good if you know solo cave map or where spiders spawn as you can kill multiple with one strike

[granite plinth]

that's another thing, if you solo. you're going to suffer.
endlessly. Unless you're a wizard main

[deep jacinth]

Yeah you got to low and slow solo

Rat a little

[wintry wind]

Rat is my middle name

[deep jacinth]

Only take good fights if you can

[granite plinth]

playing safe, learning aggro management and avoiding the freakin trap maze helps me a lot

[bright pecan]

Honestly i just like the playstyle, lately i've really liked using longswords

[hallow saffron]

dont close doors behind you unless you have to, keep a route of escape

[deep jacinth]

So is tar and star

Watch people solo on twitch

[exotic bronze]

Maybe recommend just taking 3 grey heals and 1 prot pot + longsword and no extra gear for Solo. That's enough for me

[deep jacinth]

That'll help when you see how they play

[exotic bronze]

Sprint + SWind for heals

[deep jacinth]

Even as barb I'd stealth sometimes solo

[granite plinth]

my loadout is usually three 15 hp pot and one bandage

[deep jacinth]

I bring a fuck tob of heals

[hallow saffron]

honestly if I am going solo I do naked base gear runs and just rely on finding heals if I play dumb. I tend to run sprint and the strike for healing. While its slower then second wind you can get more utility out of it as you had 50% weapon damage to that swing.

[granite plinth]

also juking skel archer shots by crouching and looking down does help A LOT.

[exotic bronze]

I do luv taking at least 1 prot pot on solos bcs its a massive boon when forced to fight

[deep jacinth]

That's why I'm always poor I guess

I bring 6 bandages and 6 hp pots

Haha

[hallow saffron]

lol

[exotic bronze]

It adds 20%

[granite plinth]

you could always run with a team

[exotic bronze]

not 50%

[deep jacinth]

I do

[hallow saffron]

is it 20% god im tired my numbers been off all day

[exotic bronze]

ya

[bright pecan]

Same lmao

[exotic bronze]

Vic Strike can be viable with a spider spawner

[deep jacinth]

I do

[exotic bronze]

but usually I dont sweat that hard on Fighter eco runs

[civic echo]

is it worth to buy the better bandages? 3x as expensive for a marginal increase in heals

[deep jacinth]

And the heals come in clutch

Esp because of team scraps

[exotic bronze]

as a bandage hater I say no 😭

[deep jacinth]

Not pve obviously

[granite plinth]

that's too much imo, just strat to always going to the library for them good red wine

[deep jacinth]

I take the occasional hit from pve but it's not comnon

[exotic bronze]

oh god bruh 😭 I dont even bring that much with me on trios

[hallow saffron]

when I run with my squad for castle We all run 9-12 HP pots, 9-12 bandages, 6 prot pots and a bunch of campfires so I can use my cleric spells with no worries lmfao. then we just player hunt

[exotic bronze]

I dont trust my teammates enough to kit that hard sorry

I just pick up their prot pots :^)

[deep jacinth]

I guess the only problem with bringing that much is sometimes dungeons are long enough

Arent

[hallow saffron]

were a full squad lmfao we know eachother

[deep jacinth]

But if you get in a lot of team fights you absolutely use all that

[exotic bronze]

I play with irls too but they're dogwater compared to me 😭

[hallow saffron]

we go second floor normally if we aint full up on good loot

[hallow saffron]

kek

[bright pecan]

Im bad at the game i get hit by basic mobs too, and with bad armor a skeleton swipe does like 50 damage

[deep jacinth]

I try helping out teammates with heals as well

If they need it

[exotic bronze]

have you heard of holding down S

[deep jacinth]

No your not Horlof

[exotic bronze]

:^)

[deep jacinth]

Mistakes happen

It's all part of the learning process

[exotic bronze]

yeahhh my first time playing this game. my entire trio got wiped first room by 3 skeletons LMFAOOO

[deep jacinth]

Esp when new pve destroyed me for sure

[exotic bronze]

now I can go multiple games without taking a hit from PVE

[bright pecan]

But the follow up attacks are so cool 😭

[deep jacinth]

I'm used to all the enemies now except helll

[exotic bronze]

Usually you just walk back and slap in a few attacks, after the NPC attacks you can slap in 2 more, or even 3 depending on wep

[exotic bronze]

Hell enemies feel like they're from a different game on god

one where you walk 4x faster thats for sure

[ember yarrow]

Does anyone else think you should be allowed to talk in the Gathering Hall regardless of your level or is that just me?

[deep jacinth]

Fuck red mages and red archers

Delete them

No because gold seller's and spam unfortunetely

It'll get worse even

[bright pecan]

Just remove their aimbot, as a meelee it feels impossible to kill them without taking damage

[deep jacinth]

I've seen gold sellers already

[exotic bronze]

I don't see that as being an issue once the game costs 15 dollars

but atm yeah since the game is practically free

[deep jacinth]

Gold sellers are already in pretty much anygamw

[ember yarrow]

can i at least have an answer?

[deep jacinth]

They will be here

[exotic bronze]

Imo ranged enemies should get staggered if pulling back their bow/charging spell and hit by melee.

[deep jacinth]

I kind of like the idea of this format

[exotic bronze]

Goblin archers are better in melee than goblin swordsmen 💀

[deep jacinth]

Where we constantly get our stash wiped

[bright pecan]

On god

[deep jacinth]

It prevents anyone from becoming absolutely way too stacked and it hurts gold sellers

[ember yarrow]

come on guys

[worthy spear]

Basically tarkov wipe every couple months

[exotic bronze]

Or have AI where they run back to shoot you

[deep jacinth]

I said no

[exotic bronze]

Goblin archers be face tanking you for 6 hits and then 1 tap you 💀

[ember yarrow]

me?

[deep jacinth]

Maybe if you had to have at least one level 5

[bright pecan]

I never used gathering hall 💀

[ember yarrow]

oh

[deep jacinth]

Yeah I said I don't think level 0 would be good for gathering hall because spam

[exotic bronze]

Trading in this game is dog in general. Should just rip off EFT and make it automated auction instead of "Selling gf" runescape ahh shit

[deep jacinth]

It sucks for people though

[wintry wind]

There are no widdle goblins in Dark(er). They're tougher than Valheim's Fulings.

[deep jacinth]

Idk why they have super slow mode in the gathering hall and that's even worse

[exotic bronze]

I dont wanna sit in a chat spamming "SELLING BARDICHE 60G" for 20 minutes its so annoying

[ember yarrow]

ok but what if your new looking for people to play with? you just ask here?

[deep jacinth]

If you're brand new asking here is a good idea and say youre new so people don't assume anything

[bright pecan]

Honestly its just good for the health of the game, because at some point you just have more loot than you know what to do with, it also levels the playing field for new players

[deep jacinth]

And try and help

[ember yarrow]

huh

[wintry wind]

Having a Hireling you could have spam the message for you would be nice. Load them up with gear you want to sell, they auto-link it in chat for the price you list.

Or a market where all the Hirelings are at.

I dunno, there's eomthing there.

[deep jacinth]

People will help you in game if you say youre new

[ember yarrow]

i mean it is not like ima just sit there and do nothing

[deep jacinth]

By telling you in voice chat how things work

[exotic bronze]

Or just rip off EFT and make a proper auction. Even Runescape has the Grand Exchange. I have no idea why they decided to design their player market around 2006 game design.

[wintry wind]

I mean

[ember yarrow]

i mean i will do that

[exotic bronze]

"Hireling" so a spam bot? 😭

The system sucks idc

[wintry wind]

Basically, but Hireling is a common thing from old school D&D. Fits with the vibe they're going for.

[worthy spear]

Coming from tarkov, I kind of like this market system, it’s kind of cool imo, but I could definitely see how it sucks not being able to post and just leave it up,

[deep jacinth]

I don't know what the solution for the marketplace is

[wintry wind]

There are a lot of these in the game honestly.

[exotic bronze]

I never had to stand outside of a tavern in D&D yelling "selling bardiche for 60 gold" for 2 hours

[deep jacinth]

It's a very complex call

[exotic bronze]

You'll get tired of it real fast.

[wintry wind]

They have some intentional design choices that have fallen from the wayside in contemporary game design

[deep jacinth]

The devs should figure out how they'll know best

[bright pecan]

It also makes it so people actually use their good loot instead of letting things rot in their stash

[hallow saffron]

you werent playing DND well enough then. Your DM needs to make you guys stand outside a tavern IRL in the future

[deep jacinth]

They have designers

[exotic bronze]

Real

[exotic bronze]

Like? The player trading is the only thing painfully backwards imo

[deep jacinth]

In game encomies are so complex that they sometimes use them as examples to teach economics classes

Haha gaia online

That was a joke

[exotic bronze]

I don't imagine the player market staying like this forever tbh. Designers aren't always right (Look at Darktide lmao)

[deep jacinth]

I'm worried about encumbrance for sure

I will force myself not to think about it

[exotic bronze]

The fact it's not added yet makes me feel they might just scrap it as an idea completely.

[deep jacinth]

That system sounds like it'd ruin this game

[wintry wind]

I dunno any designer comments on a trade system, but I do hope they don't dig in like GGG has with PoE

I do agree that chatroom trades are a relic

[deep jacinth]

Please for the love of God scrap it

Auction house would potentially be negative

I know plenty of players have issues with auction houses

And they're not always fun for legit

[wintry wind]

I'd like a Blind Barter system. You have your Inventry Tab, your Stash Tab, and your Market Tab.

You can go to Market, filter by what you're looking for, then see how many folks are selling it.

Sellers can make notes on their item, but the buyer can leave an offer.

Seller is notified of a new offer and can check them all on the Market Tab

[deep jacinth]

There should be store fronts or something

[turbid onyx]

when an enemy is mid swing it cant drink a mountain dew and hit a nasty 360 and hit someone completely different

[exotic bronze]

EFT auction would be ideal imo. Atm the biggest issue of the chat market other than it taking 20 minutes to sell anything is that the massive 15gp cost to trade means nobody will trade small items. Find a few throwing axes in raid? Good luck, nobody will buy them until you find 9 more and thats if you're lucky.

[deep jacinth]

Where a player can link their page

And you look

And the filters will list the stores with shit you want

And there could be more adv filters

[worthy spear]

As a buyer, I want it right away though, I’m not putting an offer and waiting until that person is finally available to check their offers..

[deep jacinth]

Idk maybe that's a nightmare on the coding side

[bright pecan]

Yeah i feel like the trade fee should either be removed or only apply to the buyer not the seller

[deep jacinth]

Audition houses are not peachy imo

Auction

I prefer This

[exotic bronze]

It should realistically scale off of the items traded, not a flat amount.

[jaunty scaffold]

Regarding my suggestions: The need to sell different loot to different shop owners adds absolutely nothing to the game, other than extra time navigating the menu

[deep jacinth]

Bro

[exotic bronze]

Its setting up for the future rep system.

[deep jacinth]

Don't give people a way to mule for free

I mean come on infinite stash how's that a good thing

[jaunty scaffold]

Ah, well that’s understandable. Currently it’s just a pain and awful UX

[exotic bronze]

Eventually trading with dealers will increase rep, doing quests for them will increase rep, more rep levels will give you better prices + more items.

[bright pecan]

The different shop vendors are gonna be used for different services and quests in the future

[deep jacinth]

This game could fail ngl

[exotic bronze]

So you'll have to decide, do you wanna sell your weapons to Armorsmith for less profit but more Armorsmith XP or Weaponsmith for more profit etc.

Same as EFT

[deep jacinth]

I hope they don't try and implement too many systems and mess up what they have

[exotic bronze]

If they add Encumbrance 💀

[wintry wind]

Anything could, but someone will see it and realize there's a sizable market for a game in that niche and start looking to fill it.

[deep jacinth]

It'd be worse than adding TikTok integration

Haha

[exotic bronze]

I think this game will do well but please fix player trading god 😭

and dont add encumbrance

[bright pecan]

Honestly i think the current core gameplay loop is pretty fun, they shouldnt deviate too much from what we already have

[deep jacinth]

I only say that it could fail because they have a lot of ideas

[uneven vapor]

they need to expand

they need more classes

more weapons

[deep jacinth]

And if they add too many unpolished systems then the players leave in droves

[uneven vapor]

more dungeons

more enemies

[deep jacinth]

I've seen it happen a lot

[ruby burrow]

there needs to be a potion/bandage reset after every game.

[wintry wind]

I'll be interested to see what maps and enemies they add

[deep jacinth]

This core gameplay loop is really good

[uneven vapor]

sure buckaroo

[jaunty scaffold]

Auction house is an absolute mess. It’s about as easy to navigate as a 90s era IRC chat. Easier to implement than an asynchronous system, but also it’s just never ending chat spam

[deep jacinth]

I mean it happened in RuneScape line every week

Haha

[bright pecan]

I said core gameplay loop, of course the game needs more content

[deep jacinth]

They don't need to bog it down with a ton of complex dnd systems for content imo

[bright pecan]

For sure

[uneven vapor]

more gmaeplay

[deep jacinth]

It feels like they hit the sweet spot here I love RPGs

But I wouldn't want this to get too system heavy

[wintry wind]

I do want some more complicated stuff, but only to help expand upon what's established (like other uses for Player Souls)

[deep jacinth]

Idk if the affinity thing and quests would even work

Unless quests are just challenges

Which would be cool

I would love challenges in this game

Use x weapon would be fun

[exotic bronze]

Quests will prob just be 1:1 of EFT. So will unlock certain purchases/level up traders/give rewards

[wintry wind]

Merchant Rep could increase the number of items in a shop for that Merchant or increase the odds of higher quality?

[exotic bronze]

Prob shit like "find 5 bandages in raid for surgeon"

[deep jacinth]

I would love challenges that incentisized learning the game

Like blocking using different weapons etc

[exotic bronze]

Hopefully we get good ones unlike the ones from EFT 😭

So many EFT missions are trash

[deep jacinth]

Like who uses the war maul

Lol

[exotic bronze]

Its alright

[ruby burrow]

bruh my suggestion didnt even go through and i have to wait 6 hours to make a suggestion tf

[exotic bronze]

Only rlly usable on Cleric tho

[deep jacinth]

I know it is but no one uses it's because fear idk

[bright pecan]

I'd like quests to also incentivize learning the layout of the map, like the alchemist having quests for you to retrieve stuff at the library for example

[deep jacinth]

That would be cool too

[wintry wind]

If 'real' Level 1 is a forest, I imagine Alchemist would ask you to bring him herbs and plants and for there to be Services for some potions

[deep jacinth]

I wonder how people feel about revives in this game

The white altars

[wintry wind]

I like the option

[deep jacinth]

They feel almost useless

I wouldn't want it to be like Fortnite per say

[wintry wind]

It isn't though.

[deep jacinth]

Where everyone constantly getting revived

[wintry wind]

I think the fact that it feels useless attests to that

[deep jacinth]

It just feels like the altars almost never get used because first you have to be near them

You have to have the time

Fog etc

If it was a little faster I think that's be good change persoanlly

[uneven vapor]

?

[deep jacinth]

Reviving is such a huge pain in the ass

Because you usually have to grab their gear too

Unless you're right on top of an altar

[wintry wind]

I like it honestly.

[bright pecan]

Yeah reviving is very annoying

[uneven vapor]

reviving isnt meant to be easy

death is punishing

[deep jacinth]

I don't want it to be freee

[wintry wind]

It isn't though?

[deep jacinth]

I just want it a little bit less more viable

[late scroll]

Its so ez to revive now there is some many shrines

[hallow saffron]

cleric rev is a little expensive but worth it if youre player hunting tbh

[deep jacinth]

A lot of the time it's better to leave a teammate dead

Because the altars are shit

[hallow saffron]

the altars are great whatchu mean. I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO RUN REZ ALL THE TIME DAMMIT

[bright pecan]

Homestly reviving is only worth if you get into fights in the early game

[deep jacinth]

I have used an altar liKe maybe Once every 15 games

Max

[wintry wind]

Not sure if it's true, but Ive been hearing that the 'level 1' we start on in the playtests is actually intended to be 'level 2'

So my hope is that you start on the surface and have to go down, then you can go down again for Inferno.

[uneven vapor]

sounds cool

[deep jacinth]

Yes forgotten castle is level 2

[bright pecan]

Cause by the mid game onwards you now have to scramble for loot to your naked friend and a bunch of heald for them to not be on one shot range

[hallow saffron]

do you mean rez altar or green healing altar? my squad uses healing altars all the time :3 same with rez altars when we playing dumb

[wintry wind]

Reviving is worth if it's worth - sometimes you can do it, other times it's too costly and you just loot 'em

[deep jacinth]

Rez

[hallow saffron]

just have a cleric run requiem they spawn with 50% hp

[deep jacinth]

Rez altars suck was what I was saying

They should suck slightly less not too much though

[hallow saffron]

rez altars are amazing cause I dont need to waste a spell slot on a 8 cost sometimes use spell

[deep jacinth]

I see what you're saying

But I never get to use them

[hallow saffron]

I do agree that shey should rez the player with 10-20 hp though so they arent insta gibbed by storm

[deep jacinth]

Because they're so slow an inconvenient

[wintry wind]

Like...just faster use time? Or maybe the nearest one is highlighted through walls if you're carry a Heartsoul?

[late scroll]

As they should be

[deep jacinth]

Even something like that

That's a good idea

I like the highlight thing I don't always have amazing map knwoledge

[wintry wind]

I think that'd be fair.

[deep jacinth]

Even though I am familiar with the whole map

[uneven vapor]

guys death isnt supposed to be a easy workaround

you supposed to live sparingly

[deep jacinth]

I wish the altars were slightly faster

I think its a resourceful bs again

[wintry wind]

What is it an easy workaround to?

[deep jacinth]

Rangers get everything

[unreal fern]

CAN WE HAVE 4 MAN PARTIES???

[deep jacinth]

I hate that

Clerics and barbs can't do anything faster than a snail

And those are my favorites 😦

[bright pecan]

Someone suggested a 5 man raid

[deep jacinth]

Same with mages

[uneven vapor]

cleric and ranger are like the best goofy

[uneven vapor]

mages are trash

[hallow saffron]

agreed but the rez altars shouldnt be a death sentence if you have to go for a risky rez. ive honestly found as a cleric its easier to run requiem rez an ally out in storm drop em some heals guide em back to their body and get em regeared before leaving rather then rez in zone cause of how bad the altars currently are

[uneven vapor]

it takes a really good player to play mage good

[deep jacinth]

That's what I think too

The rez altars are so situational I almost never want to rez

It's not that I want deaths to be free

Though

[hallow saffron]

respawning with 1 HP if you odnt have a cleric rez you feels bad man. especially if you are a 160 hp barb

[deep jacinth]

A lot of teams have clerics

[uneven vapor]

every high roller has a cleric

[deep jacinth]

But I bring a lot of healing I think that part isn't the problem for me

[bright pecan]

Yeah most of the time its more worth to just loot the best stuff from teammate and rat until you find a portal

[deep jacinth]

They take too long and the storm screws them

I guess hp pots counter the storm

It's a pain

[hallow saffron]

yes but not every high roller cleric runs ressurection so has to rely on those rez altars with requiem for the 50% hp and no hp loss from rezzing. that takes away a perk slot (not that there is a better perk but still)

[deep jacinth]

There's too many requirements for resing

And when you can it's probably too late

[uneven vapor]

bro its a hard dungeons game and you complain about reviving

dont die

[deep jacinth]

Says the rogue

Rogues suck and always die esp on teams

[bright pecan]

The game shouldnt be balanced assuming you always have a cleric shoving heals up your ass

[late scroll]

Rogue is like weakest classs this pt

[hallow saffron]

not complaining about reviving. complaining about the cleric being FORCED to take the perk requiem due to how pisspoor rezzing is lmfao. literally just rezzing with 20 HP would make it JUST enough safer then it is currently

[deep jacinth]

In just saying the altars are a little too useless

[uneven vapor]

you said mages are goof you are a dumpster fire

[deep jacinth]

They don't need to be op either

[uneven vapor]

quit this game shitter

[bright pecan]

Least toxic rogue player

[hallow saffron]

this mans thinks mages arent good kekw

[deep jacinth]

This rogue probably dies to floor traps

[uneven vapor]

look at your pfp

quiet down

[hallow saffron]

look at your own PFP before talking

[uneven vapor]

you die to mages💀

[hallow saffron]

you die to cleric judgement. whats your defense?

[deep jacinth]

Mages are the strongest class in the game or top 3

If you're doing normal dungeons you don't get it

[uneven vapor]

💀

[deep jacinth]

I don't die to mages

[uneven vapor]

yeah i do the castle

[deep jacinth]

I use iron will lmao

[uneven vapor]

what about it

[hallow saffron]

look like a glitched morrowind NPC mate

[bright pecan]

Bro cant think of a good insult lmao

[uneven vapor]

its not me dumbfuck💀

[hallow saffron]

likely story

[deep jacinth]

Lol

It's your cousin huh

[uneven vapor]

bro your a child

its my friend goofy

[hallow saffron]

You're*

[deep jacinth]

Or your bf from cabada

Canada

[uneven vapor]

you bald ass

cabada

[hallow saffron]

WOAH I AM CANADIAN AND WE DO NOT LOOK LIKE SOMEONE INBRED FOR FOUR GENERATIONS IN ALABAMA

[deep jacinth]

Haha

[bright pecan]

I drew my pfp, i learned a useful skill, why would i be ashamed or feel insulted by it lol

[deep jacinth]

Eh now that's a little harsh dontcha know

[uneven vapor]

bro its pixel art

pixel art isnt drawing

[deep jacinth]

Lmao

[bright pecan]

💀

[deep jacinth]

Of course it is

[bright pecan]

He doesnt know

[hallow saffron]

delicate why dont you try doing pixel art

[deep jacinth]

There's literally paintings drawn with similar styles issue shapes

[uneven vapor]

you arent drawing shit you fill squares with colors

[hallow saffron]

you try doing it

show us your skills then

[deep jacinth]

He plays rogue

[uneven vapor]

painting? a pixel art painting?

[deep jacinth]

He can't draw

[hallow saffron]

woah now. I have a rogue pal he can... maybe draw

[uneven vapor]

you play barb the most brain dead class ever

swing evade

win

les go

[bright pecan]

My brother in christ thats literally what drawing is, its literally just a matter of canvas size

[deep jacinth]

Gl with that

I kill teams solo haha

[hallow saffron]

you play rogue, you go can hit 90s with your fist

[bright pecan]

Digital art is all squares with colors, pixel art just uses a lot less of them

[uneven vapor]

bro

you a barb

you better be wiping teams

[deep jacinth]

Barbs are good?

[hallow saffron]

i have killed teams solo as a wizard... and a rogue and a cleric. just matter of playing the fight correctly

[ember river]

Barbs are only good if you're fighting people who don't know how to use a shield

Wrong quote

[uneven vapor]

💀 yeah a lot a lot a lot less

[hallow saffron]

I bet you couldnt even fill in the colouring books correctly. Eat your crayons and shush.

[bright pecan]

Try representing complex shapes with like 30 squares bro

[deep jacinth]

Barbs are on the high roller leaderboards

[uneven vapor]

piticus flexing he killed new born children playing this game

[deep jacinth]

People must suck there

[hallow saffron]

are you a newborn?

[ember river]

People aren't used to shielding yet

[uneven vapor]

nah ugly ass

[deep jacinth]

This guy probably only escapes if he doesn't encounter players haha

[hallow saffron]

cause like... with what youre saying my mace would like to meat your head so that you can go meet our lord and saviour for judgement.

[bright pecan]

Typical rogue player

[deep jacinth]

Man rogue teammates are the worst

They int all the time

And then they loot goblin all the chests

[uneven vapor]

better rogues dont play random queue weirdo

[deep jacinth]

So they die with most of the loot

[uneven vapor]

typical dogshit rogue

[deep jacinth]

Most rogues are

[uneven vapor]

every class has a dogshit player base

[ember river]

That's partly why I suggested a loot split system if you're in a team and survive together

[uneven vapor]

its all right here in this channel

[deep jacinth]

It's a hard class to play

[bright pecan]

Yeah we know you are bro

[white cliff]

So what kind of suggestions are we taking about.

[uneven vapor]

go get better at real art

[white cliff]

🤣

[deep jacinth]

It's devolved into a mess haha

[bright pecan]

Go get better at insults lmao

[uneven vapor]

😭 😭 😭 😭

[bright pecan]

This man throwing 3rd grade insults on god

[deep jacinth]

I hope game summary is in the works

This game would be so much better with one

[uneven vapor]

bro

you aint got no insults

[white cliff]

I’d say most of the playerbase is casual especially if you consider the HR leaderboard requires pretty low entry rate for top 100. I wouldn’t really say “dog shit” though.

[deep jacinth]

How are barbs brain dead class if you just said you dodge all their attacks

[bright pecan]

Honestly a quick simple tutorial would be nice, i only know how most things work because im familiar with the genre

[deep jacinth]

Im trying to calculate that shit

[uneven vapor]

barb you swing

[bright pecan]

Yeah cause its not worth wasting my time on you bro

[deep jacinth]

If you swing and miss how is that brain dead

[ember river]

How does dodging attacks from a class make that class not brain dead still?

[uneven vapor]

oh yeah sounds like an excuse

[deep jacinth]

The you just suck

[pseudo gulch]

Explain one thing to me. We had a team of 3 people. We went to the highroll.. We killed the entire lobby. The zone was in a maze with spikes in the normal map pattern. We killed the entire lobby. No portals opened for us. It's been like this 3 times already. 3 times we died on a highroll not from people but from the zone. Portals don't appear. The zone is buggy and the portals can't see the space because it's full of walls. Could you fix it? We have all lost equipment with all +1-3 attributes third times. There is an obvious difference in the spawning of highroll portals from normal. I lose 2 hours on trade to buy items and then die through stupid portals. It's not my fault. I have a skill. It was the developers who invented themselves to die forcibly because of the lack of portals.
It can't be that we kill everyone, the zone is huge and the portals don't spawn. This is not a reward. And that's just on the highroll. Normal portals work fine. I understand that you want to make it difficult, but this is a bit of an exaggeration. I don't want to play like that.

[deep jacinth]

How

Did you check the killfeed

To see portals spawning

[bright pecan]

I hate final rings in the trap maze

[white cliff]

Can’t relate, I’ve never died to storm.

[deep jacinth]

They spawned somewhere I guarantee it

[white cliff]

I always find 4-6 portals in final zone.

I’m sure y’all saw a triple down at some point too.

Maze is certainly horrible.

[deep jacinth]

Your complaints are valid though

[pseudo gulch]

no guys. we went all the big space and nowhere portals

i mean blue portals

[deep jacinth]

Sometimes the portals are exceedingly cruel

And don't spawn where you need them

[white cliff]

Ok so you did see triple downs and chose to die?

[deep jacinth]

Sometimes they don't spawn in the final circle

It's bullshit

[pseudo gulch]

no they dont have pathtracing implemented to see where is empty space for spawn

[white cliff]

I’ve never seen it happen.

[deep jacinth]

The small one

Not the larger ones

[bright pecan]

Honestly i feel like a triple escape portal should always spawn at the center of the final ring when it finishes closing

[deep jacinth]

There's too many red portals imo if anything

I kind of wish maybe one blue had two exits

[uneven vapor]

going deeper wont hurt

[deep jacinth]

I mean it's designed to be blue portal starved

But sometimes it feels bad

[uneven vapor]

if they cant exit at the end

[white cliff]

You just need to learn the strats for going deeper, and you can’t do that if you don’t actually play B3.

[bright pecan]

That would incentivize groups to try to last until the final ring cause they know they have a garanteed way out if they last that long

[uneven vapor]

they should keep an eye on the feed and an ear out for portals earlier

[deep jacinth]

Agreed tbh

[white cliff]

No feed in HR.

[deep jacinth]

At the very end though

[bright pecan]

Yeah like when the storm fully closes

[uneven vapor]

keep just an ear out then

[white cliff]

True.

[uneven vapor]

its mad loud

[white cliff]

They make a pretty loud spawn sound.

[deep jacinth]

The storm fully closing on you and instantly dying is not a good mechanic

I can tell you that

[white cliff]

Agreed.

[deep jacinth]

I don't even know why the storm insta kills

[white cliff]

Had a match where me and a barb where fighting over a portal and neither of us would let us open it, opposite sides. So we just died to storm.

[deep jacinth]

To prevent stalling?

[bright pecan]

It should take like a full minute for the final storm to insta kill you when it closes tbh

[deep jacinth]

Was probably me haha

[white cliff]

It should just do increased damage.

[deep jacinth]

It should I agree

Idk

[white cliff]

The one shot is annoying, especially if you kill a ton of people and can’t loot.

[deep jacinth]

It's to be dramatic and shit

It's not for game balance reasons

It's for feelings

[bright pecan]

Honestly, there's no point in having a clutch final ring fight if you just die to storm right after

[deep jacinth]

I don't super care about it

But I wouldn't hate to see it go

[ember river]

Kinda like the instant kill though. Means people loot and exit at the end and don't just wait until the last second foraging for a little extra loot before leaving because there's no threat

[deep jacinth]

The final storm usually isn't an issue

But when it is it feels terrible

I guess that makes sense faux

[ember river]

Swarms need to do more damage if anything

[deep jacinth]

People should be entitled to the loot imo

At least from dead players

[ember river]

You can just walk through it most of the game

[deep jacinth]

Maybe not chests and shit

[bright pecan]

I think after the ring closes it should give at least a minute before the insta kill. That gives enough time to do some quick looting and to activate a last minute portal

[ember river]

I just don't want to watch my teammate in the swarmbdrinking pots and bandages looking for extra loot when I'm trying to start a new run

[deep jacinth]

Honestly even if it was just normal fog with slightly more damage

I think that'd be good enough

Enough to stop HP pots being faster than the fog

Unless you stack

I guess that's true as well

People already do that though

If the final storm isn't there

It wouldn't be that much worse

It happens rarely

[ember river]

Yeah which is why the swarm needs more damage in general

[deep jacinth]

People usually leave with their team

Unless dead

[white cliff]

Shit I’m fine with my teammates trying to loot extra gear haha.

[deep jacinth]

Usually your teammate looting is beneficial to you ngl

Unless they're a tool

[ember river]

All my friends are tools, so

[deep jacinth]

Man I had this teammate that constantly grabed everything in front of me

You know what I'd really want

The person who gets the kill should get loot priority

Unless their desd

[white cliff]

You need new friends I guess.

[deep jacinth]

For a few seconds

[ember river]

What about wraith and champion kills though

[deep jacinth]

I was just playing with randos

[white cliff]

Class specific.

[deep jacinth]

I don't care about those

[white cliff]

Also golden keys it doesn’t really matter.

[deep jacinth]

Usually they are fine

[white cliff]

Because everyone gets the gold.

[deep jacinth]

People usually divy up the loot at wraith and champion

[white cliff]

Yeah as a cleric I’m not greeding for that +3 attribute long bow if my fighter can take it.

[deep jacinth]

I should have said something

I never said anything

That guy was the worst teammate

[ember river]

A need/greed system would be nice but it wouldn't really fit in the game

[deep jacinth]

Sometimes you don't be confrtational because it would just negatively affect the dynamic potentially

Not need greed

Loot lock

For a few seconds

Just a few

[ember river]

Rough for cleric life

[deep jacinth]

Maybe 10

Clerics should get in there too

Ngl

If you want to talk about brain class

[ember river]

Clerics get screwed hard in the game in regards to loot

[deep jacinth]

Buffbot cleric if that's all they can do

I play cleric

I don't play it like that

I do everything

[ember river]

Still, you're going to get out damaged by barbs and fighters

[deep jacinth]

Not always

Clerics get strong weapons

Outdamaged only in percent of health lost

Sometimes you can do as much damage as a barb

It's crazy

[ember river]

I'd be surprised to see that

Barb dps feels great

[deep jacinth]

I saw someone with purple q staff hit like 90 somethings on the dummy

More than 90 because they had true magic damage

[ember river]

Still my Grey axe hits higher

[deep jacinth]

Lol it's like 3 times slower

[ember river]

Not the felling

Resets quick on hit

[deep jacinth]

It does not lol

[slim ocean]

would it be silly to suggest removing spiders?

[deep jacinth]

There's no way a grey axe hits a 90

[slim ocean]

they're just so terrible in every way

[ember river]

Take a Grey felling axe to a dummy

[deep jacinth]

I want to flame you but I think it's just wrong

What's the problem with spiders

[ember river]

Make sure you take the perks ofc

[deep jacinth]

You can jump on objects and mess them up

[bright pecan]

I think they should just remove colision with them, its pretty annyoing to be body blocked by spiders

[deep jacinth]

You can even jump on their pot

[ember river]

That's their whole thing

[deep jacinth]

When I was a noob I didn't know you could break the spider pot lmao

[slim ocean]

yeah it's even worse as a rogue

cus with a dagger u cant reach them

unless u crouch on them

u literally dont get enough range to hit spiders if u use a dagger

[deep jacinth]

Honestly with a lot of weapons you can't reach them

You have to look almost directly down

[slim ocean]

daggers its the worst tho

u gotta be standing on top of them and croucn on them to hit

[ember river]

Yeah i have to crouch swing with felling

[slim ocean]

rapier is fine

[deep jacinth]

That's a skill thing

[slim ocean]

shortsword even

[deep jacinth]

It's just rogues have it tough

[slim ocean]

nah it's not rlly a skill thing if theres shit on u othr than the spiders themselves

[ember river]

Deservedly so

[bright pecan]

Lmao yeah in one of my first runs i opened a door and spiders started coming out of it but i didnt know about spawners so i just stayed in the other room baiting them wondering why there were so many spiders

[deep jacinth]

If you're losing to spiders you're probably not handling other npcs well eiher

As rogue

[slim ocean]

nah

its when i res someone

and theres spiders around

[deep jacinth]

I would just run to the pot

[slim ocean]

just bugs

[deep jacinth]

And jump on it

[slim ocean]

i surfed off the altar

and then slid into 3 spiders and a mummy

that jam me into a wall

[deep jacinth]

I did a pot slide

[ember river]

This is the strategy.

[deep jacinth]

It was hilarious

[slim ocean]

i do that

[deep jacinth]

I zoomed across the room

[slim ocean]

its just annoying

i dont ever die to spiders

they just piss me off

[ember river]

Remember that a pot will only spawn a max of 4 spiders

[deep jacinth]

I think that goes away

Spiders don't bother me at all

Expect reds

Reds are annoying

[bright pecan]

As in it can only have 4 spiders spawned at a time or it can only spawn 4 spiders total

[deep jacinth]

I unless you have something to climb

Idk

Reds are just a pain sometimes not always

[ember river]

At a time. When it is less than 4 it will spawn a new one every x seconds

[deep jacinth]

I don't really love spiders tbh

They're filler

They get annoying after awhile

[ember river]

They're good for slowing down rushers

[white cliff]

Have y’all tried to ride a bat yet?

[deep jacinth]

Yeah

I guess that's true

Rushing was fun as hell

I have a hard time rushing now because it's hard to remember spawns

Haha

[desert dawn]

spellbook makes you cast faster than staff or Im just high?

[white cliff]

We played a kill tournament yesterday, running for kills is super fun.

[deep jacinth]

No

It is a lot faster

Staves suck

[desert dawn]

Shouldnt that info be in the tooltip?

[deep jacinth]

Except quarterstaff

[white cliff]

Need to trim down the vod, but it was 46 kills in 5 rounds.

[deep jacinth]

It's obvious

[desert dawn]

how so? 🤣

[deep jacinth]

That why you see people always bring them

Mages and clerics

[white cliff]

Staffs aren’t super good, unless you have good rolls.

[desert dawn]

Well, if Im a new player (which I am) I wouldnt know until using it..

[deep jacinth]

Staves are useless imo

[white cliff]

Learn through experimentation.

[deep jacinth]

I'd rather them not exist

[white cliff]

There’s no reason to min max in norms.

You can roll in white gear.

[deep jacinth]

Staves are way too slow

They should be a little bit faster than they are

Oh boy I can hit for 20s

But my cast time is twice as long

Oh joy

[ember river]

It should.

[deep jacinth]

I mean think about it

Spell books can't attack at all

[ember river]

Or there should be some information about it

[deep jacinth]

So therefore there ha to be a reason

[ember river]

Yeah but I don't know that as a new player

[deep jacinth]

It's in the name

Spellbook

It casts spells

Haha

It's ok though

Sorry if I'm giving you a hard time

[ember river]

So it casts spells with left click?

[bright pecan]

Still should be stated in the tooltip

[deep jacinth]

I think it's pretty basic you learn petty quick

[wintry wind]

I wonder if there will be a True Procedurally Generated Dungeon - maybe not in terms of layout, but in terms of chest/monster/shrine spawns

[deep jacinth]

Yeah

[ember river]

Since it's a weapon and weapons attack with left click, a spell should be cast with left click if you use a spellbook

[bright pecan]

Probably

[wintry wind]

Nice.

[deep jacinth]

Anyone new should stay away from age for sure

That class is hard

[ember river]

I'd like to see that. Truly not knowing what's behind every door

[deep jacinth]

It's just too much for someone who has to learn the begining of the whole game too

To add that on top

[ember river]

And yeah, everyone should have to do fighter first

[deep jacinth]

I say barb tbh

Barb because you can't rely on swinging fast

[ember river]

You don't learn to block as barb

[deep jacinth]

Well at least by default

I don't know how to block

Haha

[ember river]

I guess if you use a bardiche

[deep jacinth]

Block is not in my vocabulary

[ember river]

Blocking is op, shield is the strongest weapon in the game

[deep jacinth]

The strongest weapon is the spellbook

[wintry wind]

Strongest weapon is FIST

[hallow saffron]

strongest weapon is staff whatcha mean.

[deep jacinth]

Ah yes

[hallow saffron]

noone expects a ignited staff bonk

[deep jacinth]

Piticus is right

Staff is way stronger than a dagger

Because it's made of wood

[wintry wind]

Other weapons will hurt the character, but fists will cause psyche damage to the actual player for getting killed by them.

[deep jacinth]

That's quality lumber

[hallow saffron]

who needs fast stabs when you can strong bonk with quality lumber!

[hallow saffron]

20 damage fists are not something to laugh at lmfao

[wintry wind]

That's my dating profile basically

[deep jacinth]

Barbs do like 30 damage with fists lmao

[wintry wind]

It's almost as strong as the starting Arming Sword

:(

[deep jacinth]

You can punch mages to death

It's funny

[wintry wind]

It's not illegal, no one can stop you

[hallow saffron]

yeah cause they have that 15% bonus so its like 20(115/100) off base.

[deep jacinth]

My teammate hit me with his staff

So I punched him

[hallow saffron]

i punch a ranger to death as a cleric the other day...

[deep jacinth]

And chunked half his health

Haha

[hallow saffron]

I also staff killed a barb with my wizard cause I was outta spells kekw

he just kept RMB with the felling axe...

[deep jacinth]

That barb should probably quit

Ngl

[wintry wind]

You ever just get a kill and KNOW they have to take a break afterwards

[deep jacinth]

Yes

[ember river]

Felling axe only has lmb.

[deep jacinth]

I killed someone with my fists one step out of blue portal

[hallow saffron]

is felling axe not the one with the straight up and down swing?

[deep jacinth]

Pretty sure

Hatchet is the right click one

[hallow saffron]

it was a two handed axe.

[ember river]

Nah, it has a chop from the top right

[ember river]

Double axe rmb

[hallow saffron]

ah mb it was a dblaxe then not felling axe

same shit diff pile

[deep jacinth]

Felling axe could get nerfed a little and I wouldn't be mad

That weapon is gross

[hallow saffron]

he still died to a wiz bonk

[wintry wind]

It makes me fell over. Wait.

[ember river]

Felling axe is disgustingly strong

[jaunty scaffold]

Felling isn’t that hard to counter. It only has a vertical swing. The issue is the drag hitbox

[deep jacinth]

Makes one dead feller

[ember river]

But if you miss you are a sitting duck

[deep jacinth]

Counter?

First you have to have a shield

Don't miss

[ember river]

Yeah shields are op

[deep jacinth]

I still think the sheild wouldn't stop me

I'd. Just get behind

[ember river]

Then i turn my shield

[deep jacinth]

Spank the cheeks shield can't block that

[jaunty scaffold]

One thing that Mordhau did right, that Chivalry overlooked, was how the drag mechanics worked.

[deep jacinth]

I'm fairly certain there's a way to hit through the sheild

People told me

[ember river]

Yeah, I worry about the level of complexity the drag would add to this game

[deep jacinth]

It's possible to hit behind the enemy in front of them

[bright pecan]

Question, what is the use of putting down the pavisa?

[deep jacinth]

It's stupid

You block doorways

[ember river]

I loved it in mordhau where combat was the focus, but i don't think I'd love it here

[deep jacinth]

And have a bunch of arrows

[jaunty scaffold]

There’s already drag in this game. You can strait up stab people in the back of the head if you time the horizontal slash right with drag

[deep jacinth]

Pavise is stupid

It's anti fun

[ember river]

Really? I didn't know that.

[deep jacinth]

It's like strategic and all that an authentic

But not a great mechanic

[jaunty scaffold]

It’s not as robust and the predetermined slashes help a lot though

[deep jacinth]

People use pavises

And it's really toxic

[ember river]

I hope high level play of this game doesn't evolve like mordhau did with the bending up and down wonkiness being the strongest strategy

[deep jacinth]

It's basically you shall not pass in weapon form

[bright pecan]

I know you can block attacks from cave troll with pavise but i dont really see a use of setting it down aside from griefing

[jaunty scaffold]

There’s a video on YouTube of a kid clearing a dungeon as a solo naked lvl1 rogue and he basically abused drag mechanics to get every kill. It was masterfully done though

[deep jacinth]

You use it in doorways and it's bs

Or you use it as cover

It's a bow or crossbow enabler

[bright pecan]

Maybe you can use it for cover to reload a crossbow

[ember river]

Can you send me that?

[white cliff]

Drag exists in this game already.

[deep jacinth]

What's drag

Cleaving?

[ember river]

I'm just learning this

[quiet gorge]

Buddy had interesting idea when we discussed DnD.

Gender specific classes: Witches, female, warlocks male etc.

[deep jacinth]

I don't hate it

I think gender matters very little in this game

You barely feel it

[white cliff]

As long as it’s just names.

Then sure.

[jaunty scaffold]

It’s a mechanic where you can drag the mouse to change the hitbox of swing attacks

[deep jacinth]

You're usually covered in armor

[glacial bridge]

the trade post is such a terrible mechanic. delete it asap

[deep jacinth]

Yes that's in this game for sure

[ember river]

They removed gender completely in a recent patch I think

[bright pecan]

That'd be fine if they keep character customization lackluster, if not its just annoying for people to be locked out of a class because of a cosmetic choice

[deep jacinth]

At least positionally it is

[jaunty scaffold]

In Mordhau, that ended up destroying the meta. It turned into crazy flailing and crouch spamming

[deep jacinth]

But not changing the swing according to how you move your mouse

You can do bs in this game like nordhau

With contorting your hitbox

I dodge all the time like that

I ducked a zwei right in a barbs face twice and killed him

People will start to body shot

I think that'll happen

Aiming for only the head can be a mistake

Aiming for the biggest target can be valid

[shell robin]

I think drag needs to be nerfed

Cuz its easy to get high damage weapon and spin in circles and hit multiple people lol

[deep jacinth]

Idk if it gets to that point then yeah

I don't think so because right now it's one of their biggest upsides

Slow swings are so bad

They need positives besides a high damage swing to make up for it

Idk I cleave with dragging

But it's not that crazy

It's good but a zwei or war maul could do a similar swing

It's clearly made with the intention that you can drag

It feels too obvious to be looked over

[shell robin]

I mean look at chiv 1

[deep jacinth]

I mean look at the battle axes right click

[shell robin]

People would literally turn into bayblades

[deep jacinth]

That's begging to be dragged

[shell robin]

All you need to do is put a cap on the turn speed

Not remove it completely

[deep jacinth]

I don't think this game is the same

Although you can swing behind your character

[shell robin]

Okay for example someone is using a shield, in this game you're supposed to block where the swing is coming from. If you can spin the swing like a million different ways its impossible to block

[deep jacinth]

I really don't think 2hs have a ton going for them they're noob killers

How

It's not impossible

You can block

It still starts from one spot depending on the weapon

[wild topaz]

4 player mode when?

[deep jacinth]

I honestly like 3s

Feels really good

4 wouldn't be better imo

[wild topaz]

Same, but a 4s map would be fun too :3

[deep jacinth]

We will see what happens

They may have it planned

[shell robin]

Yeah but you can flick it up down backwards or around. The only limit is your dpi

And there's ways to make a button on your mouse increase your dpi

[deep jacinth]

Yeah I have that

[shell robin]

So you swing then hit the button and move your mouse like crazy lol

[deep jacinth]

But if you have high dpi it's harder to aim no?

You still would prefer headshots

I don't know what's possible tbh

[shell robin]

I mean you don't really have to aim, just get near them

[deep jacinth]

I don't think that's possible

Could be wrong

[shell robin]

and yeah headshots are always preferable

Happened to me with a spear the other day lol

[deep jacinth]

Explain it

Im curious

[lusty wren]

Grab a warmaul, left click once and SPIN and you whirlwind

[shell robin]

He went to stab, flicked around super quick, and I couldn't block it with my heater shield

[lusty wren]

If any part of your weapon collides with a hitbox during an attack they take dmg. So ya it works

[shell robin]

I just think there should be a cap

like in mordhau and chivalry 2

[deep jacinth]

War mauls are whack though

[shell robin]

Its doable with every weapon

[lusty wren]

I was just giving you a good example of the drag. Its VERY pronounced on maul

because you can just whirlwind like a D2 barbarian

[deep jacinth]

This is true

Well isn't that the intent

[shell robin]

I don't think so

[deep jacinth]

Whirlwind skill

[shell robin]

I hope not

[deep jacinth]

Haha

I love this game

Its jank

And I love it

[shell robin]

If thats the intent then they need to rework blocking lol

[lusty wren]

I do think dragging is intentional. But not sure to that extent

[deep jacinth]

Why

You could dodge it

[shell robin]

how

[deep jacinth]

Why not back up

[shell robin]

because we're 1v1ing

[lusty wren]

Ya but you can still create spacing in a 1v1

[shell robin]

true

trying to explain it

sec

[deep jacinth]

Can't you just time your hits just like any other mob

[shell robin]

Well I would hope the person I'm fighting is smarter than a mob

[deep jacinth]

Back up to dodge the maul and counterattacj

Isn't that tunnel visioning on the shield

[shell robin]

okay but the point I was making was about blocking

Whats the point in blocking if its completely useless

[deep jacinth]

It's not though

[shell robin]

If I have to create space because my block doesn't work, then why even have a shield

[deep jacinth]

Out of how many fights was your sheild useless

[shell robin]

large majority while playing fighter. I switched to ranger

Would rather 2 hand

[deep jacinth]

Hm

[shell robin]

get big damage

[deep jacinth]

Idk

[shell robin]

its okay for PVE

[deep jacinth]

People tell me blocking is really good

[lusty wren]

Blocking can be very good

[deep jacinth]

Night be an issue where you're blocking and how

[lusty wren]

Especially against barbs

[shell robin]

Could be

[deep jacinth]

Are you crouching while blocking?

[shell robin]

typical yes

[lusty wren]

because they are slow and their weapon pattersn are very predictable

[shell robin]

typically

Like if an archer or sum then yeah I block

[lusty wren]

but id rather outspace than block anyday

[deep jacinth]

Proxy knows what he's talking about for sure

[shell robin]

and blocking can reduce damage from mages def

[deep jacinth]

Idk proxy do you have a lot of trouble with drag used on you?

[shell robin]

I don't think a lot of people have caught on how to abuse it

[deep jacinth]

That's true

They were talking about how they haven't gave much thought into balancing

I wouldn't worry about it

It's still early

[shell robin]

I'd assume its going to come with time

[lusty wren]

Not typically but occasionally ive been like SHIT shoulda seen that coming

[deep jacinth]

They're focusing on the core gameplay

[shell robin]

What do y'all think about the lockpicking system?

[deep jacinth]

Idk it's a good point to make

We should at least make sure they're aware

On the extremes if drag

[shell robin]

Agreed

[deep jacinth]

I mean they have to know you can aim down and the position of the swing is different