suggestion-discussion

[upbeat pewter]

short sword is not as good as the falchion

[native cedar]

the crossbow is great

[hollow sentinel]

so why not just use throwing knives and axes which are actually good? why do they need to add subpar ranged weapons

[upbeat pewter]

the ordinary crossbow isnt great. its ok. far inferior to bows.

why shouldnt they? just because something else is better isnt a good reason to not allow it

[native cedar]

Crossbow on Fighter is strong and you don't need to waste a perk slot for a bow

[hollow sentinel]

they should give fighters a 5 second stealth ability to help balance things out

[upbeat pewter]

its still not better than a bow, despite the damage loss on bow.

and there isnt much competition on fighter perks atm

[native cedar]

thats not the point of the discussion

it gives class identity for classes not to have everything

[upbeat pewter]

sure. but your point was that crossbow is great, so it shouldnt be added.

[native cedar]

it is great

[upbeat pewter]

and who said everything? i merely said 'simple' weapons.

[hollow sentinel]

crossbow is better than the bow on fighter, 100%

[native cedar]

there are just better options on ranger

and you can run bow and xbow

[upbeat pewter]

the only reason crossbow would be better would be due to shoot and swap

thats it

[native cedar]

sounds fine that not every class gets it

[upbeat pewter]

maybe, but i dont think its a bad thing if they do.

[native cedar]

then your just going to have every class shooting crossbows except rangers

[upbeat pewter]

its not going to make classes samey, as they are, for the mostpart, less good options that are only good when found on the fly.

[gloomy cradle]

They still have to buy/find the crossbows, and crossbows are good for rangers too as they do more damage

[upbeat pewter]

if every class is using a crossbow, they likely arnt using their class properly.

[gloomy cradle]

Also they're probably going to be adding Ranger perks that boost crossbows

[upbeat pewter]

like a rogue wouldnt exactly be getting rogue stuff from it. there a thing to be said that its very likely if something like that was added, all abilities would be daggers/rapiers only

[native cedar]

you can play crossbow a lot safer than going in melee range

but hey we are not going to agree. I side with the devs on this one.

[upbeat pewter]

thats fine. but thats not really the point, it doesnt exactly create balance issues

[native cedar]

I think it does

[upbeat pewter]

i dont think the devs have really made a stance yet.

[gloomy cradle]

I think it solves balance issues

[upbeat pewter]

im expecting much more weapon variation later with talent trees.

the only reason it makes some sense now is because we only have 10 weapon types or something

when we have say... 100 or so, it makes way more sense, which is realistic on release

[gloomy cradle]

The devs got rid of Rogues access to crossbows for PT3 I believe

[upbeat pewter]

did they? i dont remember them being able to use them in pt2

maybe it was removed for pt2?

[gloomy cradle]

oh nvm. It was Rapier not Crossbow

[rocky oar]

Huh

Rouges can use rapiers

[native cedar]

rapiers just got nerfed pt3

[gloomy cradle]

Maybe they changed it back for one of the hotfixes? The patch notes at the start of PT3 say - The Rogue is no longer able to equip the Rapier.

[native cedar]

Well I know for 100% that rogues could use rapiers PT3.

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, they definitely could

they said they removed it, but was still there, but.. pretty bad. worse damage than daggers

[rocky oar]

Listen

[gloomy cradle]

but crossbows. So easy monkeys can use them

[upbeat pewter]

though to be fair, dagger is the highest dps weapon in the game

[rocky oar]

Buff Wizard, nerf everything else. Balanced.

[upbeat pewter]

leave wizard alone. buff everything else

[rocky oar]

lol

[upbeat pewter]

change rogue, but overall buffs

[rocky oar]

Nah

I think everything should be nerfed

[upbeat pewter]

why? ttk too high?

[rocky oar]

Yea,

[upbeat pewter]

too low*

[rocky oar]

I truly think TTK is to fast

[upbeat pewter]

i like low ttk

[gloomy cradle]

-> Everyone can use crossbows
-> Everyone can use consumable spell scrolls
Balanced game

[rocky oar]

Even with base gear it's fast as hell

[upbeat pewter]

when you get armour its fixed a bit

[rocky oar]

It gets way too much with half decent gear

[upbeat pewter]

base gear is just horrible

[rocky oar]

Well kinda right about that

[upbeat pewter]

i find it funny how ranger starts with a higher armour score than fighter

[rocky oar]

The issue about that is that rouge ranger and wiz don't scale no where as much as the other classes when it comes to armor which makes things super weird for ttk

Wiz is a whole different issue cause there is almost no MR in the game

[upbeat pewter]

MR will be tweaked, it was only just introduced

cant expect it to be right immediately

[rocky oar]

Facts

[upbeat pewter]

do we have a magic pens stat already?

[rocky oar]

Yea

[upbeat pewter]

obviously its bad atm

[rocky oar]

It was way too strong

[distant night]

using invis should remove ignite, thats all

[upbeat pewter]

no way

[rocky oar]

lol

Ma man capping out here

[gloomy cradle]

[native cedar]

Zap>Ignite

[rocky oar]

Double Cap

[upbeat pewter]

its a little weird that ignite effects mage spells though

[rocky oar]

That was already fixed

[native cedar]

i thought that was patched

[rocky oar]

It doesn't

[upbeat pewter]

no idea if it was. was watching videos where people were claiming it did, and always used it.

[native cedar]

it was

[upbeat pewter]

apparently it worked on fireball and MM

[rocky oar]

Yea it was fixed during last PT

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, fair enough

likely a good thing

[rocky oar]

Well yea

MM bussing

[native cedar]

I main Wiz and it was a good thing

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, definitely good.

[rocky oar]

I prefer ignite over zap though

[upbeat pewter]

why not both

[native cedar]

ignite is still a great option. I just like keeping distance

[rocky oar]

because I prefer fireball over zap

[native cedar]

I'd like both but I can't fit both

[gloomy cradle]

Is this why you don't like crossbows?

[upbeat pewter]

zap, MM, fireball, invis, haste

yeah, not room for both

[rocky oar]

I find Ignite to be more useful in situations

[upbeat pewter]

depends. zap scales decently

[rocky oar]

You're not wrong

But at that point fireball will easily 2 shot if not one shot depending on situation

[native cedar]

they are both great options it's just preference

[rocky oar]

Also facts

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i feel like zap is what you use to clean up

options are great.

[gloomy cradle]

Ignite if orb and dagger, zap if staff or book

[upbeat pewter]

i think its the other way round

[rocky oar]

My main argument for Ignite over Zap: Ignite can be given to other players at the same time, works extremely well against Wiz and Ranger giving them no time to charge a spell or an arrow and by the time they can even get something ready they are already dead to dagger, great sustain for PvE, can kill mini-bosses and bosses faster if ya give ignite to ur friendly Ranger

[upbeat pewter]

take orb and dagger if you want ignite

[rocky oar]

You take both if you can

[upbeat pewter]

yeah.

[rocky oar]

Book primary and Dagger in secondary as prio, crystal ball comes later if ya can get it

Being stabbed straight out of invis is extremely toxic

[gloomy cradle]

Bring 3 wizards and have one bring ignite and the other 2 bring zap

[upbeat pewter]

at least you can hear the invis cast and can kind of expect something like that

the movement speed really needs to be toned down though

as in stats, not the spells

[rocky oar]

Sound is a bit iffy

Especially in 3 mans

[upbeat pewter]

im yet to have an unexpected wizard stab me

[rocky oar]

Behind a door, down a hallway and around a corner you can easily not hear the cast go off

[native cedar]

You would hear footsteps so far in advanced in that situation

[rocky oar]

People are even caught by surprised even more cause they are always hearing their own teammates

[upbeat pewter]

how does a wizard make that much distance on you though?

[rocky oar]

Teammates fuck with people a lot more than you think

[native cedar]

play solo

[rocky oar]

Haste Invis Unequip

[upbeat pewter]

thats still a long way to go in 4s.

and they'd only do it hearing you first, and then make just as much noise

[rocky oar]

It's a lot more doable than people think it is

[upbeat pewter]

move speed stat is pretty brokenly strong atm, id admit that

isnt it 1 agi = 5% ms?

[rocky oar]

uhhh

I have no idea

But I think the "All Stats" needs to be gone from the game

it is way to strong

[upbeat pewter]

all stats needs to be above curve in number of stats

but not equal to

like all stats 2 shouldnt be on gear that has agi 2

all stats 1 maybe

[rocky oar]

Like it's even stronger on both Wiz and Cleric cause they can actually make use of every stat

[upbeat pewter]

yeah

its definitely a problem

[rocky oar]

Other classes can't use Int or Wisdom

It's Wisdom right?

[upbeat pewter]

will?

[rocky oar]

Will

Ur right

[upbeat pewter]

and knowledge

[rocky oar]

Lmao

I said all the wrong stats

[hollow sentinel]

ignite should be a cleric ability tbh

[rocky oar]

Cap

[upbeat pewter]

ignite is fine on wiz imo.

[rocky oar]

I hear Cleric and I don't imagine Fire ability, I imagine Holy abilities being heals, buffs, and debuffs.

[upbeat pewter]

after tweaking with stats

[rocky oar]

Which is how it is in DnD

[upbeat pewter]

might make sense when we get more spells

[hollow sentinel]

holy fire, checkmate

[upbeat pewter]

which is what im most excited for this test

[rocky oar]

LMAO

I ain't gonna like

You got me

I forgot Holy Fire is a thing

[native cedar]

what if there are no new spells?

[rocky oar]

Still Holy dmg

[upbeat pewter]

i doubt there will be no new spells.

they'll want to keep releasing them to test them

[hollow flicker]

they said they want to add a lot of spells

[rocky oar]

I just want Warlock :c

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, me too. bladelocks will be sick

[hollow flicker]

they added the ability to memorize two sets of 5 spells and there's not even enough spells to max those out rn so i expect a lot more spells to come

[rocky oar]

idk if they would do that

[upbeat pewter]

bladelock + rogue multiclass

[rocky oar]

unless that add subclasses

It probably just be the traditional warlock stuff

ya know

[rocky oar]

wrong

[upbeat pewter]

they are adding talents. i imagine first choice will be all in on spells or melee

[rocky oar]

You can max the spells out

[upbeat pewter]

ive seen plenty of people playing with 10 spells

[native cedar]

I'm sure more spells will be added but I don't think new spells are guaranteed next playtest. B1? Bard? No one knows

[rocky oar]

Oh

[upbeat pewter]

its not good though

[rocky oar]

Darkness

I just realized

[hollow flicker]

Are there 10 spells even?

[upbeat pewter]

yes

zap, fireball, mm, CL, ignite, haste, slow, invis, frost bolt, light

[rocky oar]

All Stats will work for everyone in the future cause of Multiclass assuming people multiclass into a spellcaster

[hollow flicker]

Okay

I dont think cleric has 10 spells tho

[upbeat pewter]

i hope they take the 3.5e route and go prestige/multiclass

[hollow flicker]

anyway on one of the QnAs they said they want to add a lot of spells

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, all stats will likley be nerfed before then

yeah, they did. there will be lots of spells

i imagine enough to spec into pure element

[native cedar]

yes they said that on the QnA. And? It doesn't mean this playtest.

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, we wont get that many more, likely just a few

i dont think bard will be ready though, right?

[rocky oar]

Darknesse

Imagine this

[native cedar]

we don't know. but probably not.

[upbeat pewter]

im fairly sure they wanted more maps this playtest, which was the main focus

[rocky oar]

Spare the Dying lasting like 30-45 seconds and it will stop someone from out right dying and leave them at 1 hp requiring on additional hit to kill said person.

[upbeat pewter]

interesting.

[native cedar]

My expectations are at zero until they announce more information on PT4.

[upbeat pewter]

maybe aura of life is a better fit, since it would be more expensive?

[rocky oar]

Just a thought

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i dont really have much expectation other than maps.

[rocky oar]

Possibly a 3 or 4 cost spell

[upbeat pewter]

spare the dying seems too cheap. aura of life is something i use on my campaign cleric, its awesome

but yeah, they could just make it a more expensive spell

im not sure how i feel about it

[rocky oar]

Mmmm

[upbeat pewter]

good enough that id like to test it

but seems strong

[rocky oar]

I don't think it's cheap

[upbeat pewter]

cheap in DnD

i mean

since its a cantrip

[rocky oar]

The game overall is slow paced but combat is fast and the likely hood of you get hit back to back really fast is high

Oh

lol

DnD does DnD things

More meant to have fun and to give players a way to keep people from dying

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, its like.. not impactful enough for a higher level spell, too weak for a low cost.

[rocky oar]

Imagine being level 1 and not have a way to keep a party memeber alive if they hit 0 hp

[upbeat pewter]

thats my feeling

[rocky oar]

that would not be fun

[upbeat pewter]

id like better ressurection

bring in scrolls of res

[rocky oar]

What are we talking about

DnD or DaD?

lol

[upbeat pewter]

dark

[rocky oar]

Lmao

U lost me

[upbeat pewter]

yeah lol

[rocky oar]

Rez is awesome

I love it

[upbeat pewter]

but scroll of res would be great

seems like a bad spell

but a great scroll

[rocky oar]

Takes a long time to still cast and the person still spawns with almost no HP and it's just one use

It also requires two campires to get uses back

[upbeat pewter]

yeah.

thats kinda why i feel like its a bad spell

[rocky oar]

I think it's in such a great place

I don't know about your situations

But I've legit died in the worse place possible

[upbeat pewter]

imo, id take something else to win the fight

[rocky oar]

0 time to fight a rez table

and Rez spell was legit the lifesaver

[upbeat pewter]

but thats just my opinion

[hollow flicker]

I want a flail that can wrap around shields and corners

[rocky oar]

Well wait a second

[upbeat pewter]

flails would be great

[rocky oar]

Let me pull up the Cleric spells

Cause I tend to forget them all

[upbeat pewter]

heal, damage/heal, smite, shield, all stats.. cant think of the rest

[rocky oar]

So

We ran this

[upbeat pewter]

res

[hollow flicker]

is there another skill (not spell) that gets recharged by campfires except second wind?

it's kind of weird that the ranger self heal doesn't get recharged by campfires, even though it would probably be unbalanced

[rocky oar]

Protection, Bless, Lesser heal, Holy Light, and Rez. The only thing that was interchangeable is divine strike but at least Bless would work on anyone you are playing with.

[upbeat pewter]

other than spells? i dont think so

[hollow flicker]

not that rangers need the help but it's kind of asymmetric

[upbeat pewter]

i imagine they'll get more abilities

some of which might need a short rest

[rocky oar]

Sometimes I am willing to give the Bless up for Divine Strike if my ranger is good cause I hate when Rangers literally get giga buffed and not do anything with it

I know I am very cable at the game so I will make Bless to good use

[upbeat pewter]

i didnt run res at all.

triple buff and 2 heals

with the unkilling aoe

[rocky oar]

No this is like mad crazy gear

But their is a point where Divine Strike is not needed

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i know. i dont know if id swap for res even then

i guess thats true

[rocky oar]

I had a ranger once that legit one tapped me to body from full health while I had full purples

[hollow flicker]

Isn't divine strike +20 flat damage?

[upbeat pewter]

+15

[hollow flicker]

how would you ever not want that

[rocky oar]

he had 0 buffs on too cause we were legit just PvEing and he hit me by accident

The Wiki says +10

[upbeat pewter]

ignite was +10 afaik

[hollow flicker]

maybe they hotfixed it I remember it being +20

[rocky oar]

Ignite is +5

[hollow flicker]

either way + flat damage is so amazing

[rocky oar]

Always has been

[hollow flicker]

divine strike is must pick for cleric imo over bless

[rocky oar]

Depends on how you play

[upbeat pewter]

imo movement speed > damage

[rocky oar]

Our Cleric was a healbot

[hollow flicker]

i guess so but sometimes you don't have a choice but to fight as cleric

either way having your melees do + X damage per hit is amazing especially if they are using 1 handers

[rocky oar]

Bless also did last 30 seconds btw

Which is long as hell

[hollow flicker]

true

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, they also want will, so it lasts longer

cast speed so important

[hollow flicker]

i mean i think most clerics were running the same spells

[rocky oar]

Bless on Wiz with Ignite Dagger, literally all of the stats you getting from Bless for that Wiz is just wild

[hollow flicker]

bless, divine weapon, the two heals and protection

[rocky oar]

Darknesse

Maybe Bless had something to do with me running people down

[upbeat pewter]

cleric definitely needs more spells.

probably.

i used it mostly to keep range on people as fighter

[rocky oar]

You get +3 Agi from it sooo

Idk

[upbeat pewter]

thats 15% ms

[hollow flicker]

what

[rocky oar]

I don't know the conversions on that

[upbeat pewter]

i 'think' agi is 5

[hollow flicker]

agi was closer to 1% per point iirc

[upbeat pewter]

% per

it might be

[rocky oar]

Darknesse

[hollow flicker]

if agi was 5% ms per then rogues would be 100% faster than anyone else

[rocky oar]

I think a lot of people don't play with their game maxed btw

Volume that is

My game was maxed out and everytime I cast any spell I legit can't hear discord at all

[upbeat pewter]

thats on them xD

[rocky oar]

I wish there was a setting to turn down your own spell sounds

It's way too louad

everything else is perfect

Everytime I do boss fight man

I am spamming spells so much that I can't hear anyone in Discord for like a full 15-20 seconds

[upbeat pewter]

adjust discord to be louder, and lower overall volume

spells are loud though

looking for a source on agi scaling

[rocky oar]

I did testing with Will and Knowledge and figured out how it scalled

but I completely forgot it already

I think I have your answers

I just found my testing

[upbeat pewter]

https://youtu.be/7wQESnmdjnE?t=405

yeah, 1%

[rocky oar]

I did testing on Will and Magical Power

[upbeat pewter]

from what this guy says

5% casting speed from will

had em mixed up

[rocky oar]

1 Will gave 2% Spell Power... 1 Magical Power also gave 2% Spell Power

[upbeat pewter]

the cast speed is extremely important on it too

[rocky oar]

umm

[upbeat pewter]

the speed ive seen people getting out MMs

[rocky oar]

You mean for Knowledge

[upbeat pewter]

oh, its on knowledge?

[rocky oar]

Yea

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, my mistake

[rocky oar]

Will is Spell Power

Knowledge is Cast Speed and +1 Spell Capacity

[upbeat pewter]

imo knowledge is so much better

[rocky oar]

Compared to what?

[upbeat pewter]

will vs knowledge

[hollow flicker]

did anyone ever get enough spell capacity bonuses to even get higher max spells?

[rocky oar]

Cap, I think both are equally important in their own right

[hollow flicker]

i tried wearing all my spell capacity stuff and never saw more spell charges

[late scroll]

will gives magic power mr and buff duration

[upbeat pewter]

yeah

thought it was cast speed swapped with buff.

but its not

[late scroll]

knowledge is cast speed, magic interactin, spell mem

knowledge was ass

[upbeat pewter]

no way

[rocky oar]

Ur capping

[upbeat pewter]

it takes the TTK down way lower with MM than damage does.

you can spew out missles crazy fast

[rocky oar]

Casting speed was wild and gave melee players almost no room to work with when Wiz were casting so fast

Meditate also is a lot faster especially since the base casting speed of meditate is the longest in the game

[late scroll]

yea but after 30 there is almost no benefit

[rocky oar]

I saw a video finish mediate in literally 4-5 seconds vs the like 10+ seconds

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, the fast meditates are pretty crazy.

[rocky oar]

Also makes chain lightning more viable as well

[upbeat pewter]

and even if theres diminishing returns on casting speed, its good enough of a stat that its still better

[rocky oar]

I honestly don't even know if their is diminishing returns

It's very easy to check in game

But until then we can't see

[late scroll]

there is

[upbeat pewter]

there definitely is, but i dont know the numbers on it

[late scroll]

0 -> -95%
0 to 1 = 0% per point -> (threshold at -95%)
1 to 30 = 5% -> 50%
30 to 40 = 3% -> 80%
40 to 100 = 2% -> 200%

ehh maybe not that bad

[rocky oar]

Wait

That's confusing

Don't some of the classes already start in that upper range?

[upbeat pewter]

i dont think anyone starts that high

let me check wiz stats

[late scroll]

wiz start highest

[upbeat pewter]

spell casting speed starts at -40%

for wiz

[rocky oar]

Ohhh

Will starts a 33

No wonder

[upbeat pewter]

damage from magic power starts at 33 (will)

[rocky oar]

Wait

I'm more confused

[upbeat pewter]

33 will = 33% extra damage

so their baseline of damage is at that

[rocky oar]

According to wiki

[late scroll]

wait wtf fighter start at most knowledge

[rocky oar]

33 will is 46%

[upbeat pewter]

46% would include passives or something

[rocky oar]

No

It's because Diminishing Returns on Magic Power doesn't start until 30

[upbeat pewter]

i see.

[rocky oar]

Oh

This makes so much more sense now

[upbeat pewter]

what im looking at is base wizard with 33 (46%)

[rocky oar]

Magic Power and Will both equal Magic Power Bonus

[late scroll]

well will give you magic power no?

[rocky oar]

Base Magic Power Bonus being 33 which comes all from the 33 Will you start with. So, if you had a +1 Magic Power on an item, then the Magic Power Bonus will go to 34 whether it comes from Will or Magical Power

That's gonna confuse some people

Magic Power and Magic Power Bonus are two different things

Both Magic Power and Will contribute to Magical Power Bonus

I see that the Diminishing Returns are different for every stat as well

Wack

[upbeat pewter]

lol

i imagine when final balancing comes through it will be more consistant

right now its just put together

[rocky oar]

I doubt

This legit how any game with stats are

Diminishing Returns are legit different for every stat in every game I've ever played

[upbeat pewter]

i mean more like... random bonuses starting in the negatives and stuff

[rocky oar]

Oh

Maybe idk

[gloomy cradle]

My eyes glazed over at 'Bonus'

[rocky oar]

Lol yea

Lmao

What in the world

Bro

Get this okay

You start with 12 Knowledge, Softcap isn't even until you hit 30 Knowledge giving you 50% casting speed. Harder softcap is 40 giving 80% spell casting speed.

That is wild

[gloomy cradle]

almost twice as fast

[rocky oar]

Bind you btw

At 12 Knowledge you have -40% Casting Speed

lmao

BRO

What is this scaling on Debuff Duration

LMAOOO

Guess who's min-maxing next PT bois

Yall finna get one tapped by me by a .5 second fireball

xD

[gloomy cradle]

Assuming all those numbers don't get changed of course

[rocky oar]

I doubt they will

[upbeat pewter]

check some of the top wizard videos

the cast speed is stupidly strong

but you need pretty good gear

[trail quartz]

My suggestion was heavily downvoted ! This is outrageous lol

[upbeat pewter]

it was all over the place lol

[late scroll]

whats the id

so i can shortinfo

[gloomy cradle]

You borderline suggested adding in portals that closed this game and opened another one

.shortinfo 1568854

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Zhul#7799

[I think more "portals" would fit well to D&D and could maybe benefit the game... In game portals to different servers and (geo) locations (NA,EU, Asia, etc] and to various realms/shards (pve, pvp, hardcore, ranked, seasonal etc). With portals to hardcore pvp realms such as perma death realms with better loot where people might maybe coop rather than slaughter themselves.. but maybe not Portals could be in some dungeons (like current settings) or maybe craftable (hard/many items) or as rare items (dungeon reward) or even as cash shop items. Typical portal could be use one time only and last about 15 minutes and be used by everyone around. Mouse pointer over such portal should show clearly the destination and risks involved, (geo)location etc. ]

Opinion:

-48

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Suggestion ID: 1568854 | Submitted at · Jan 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

[late scroll]

different geolocation

[gloomy cradle]

[trail quartz]

This game is imcomplete , it wouldn t need much more features to be really fun and replayable. I think portals and if devs can do it nicely/well enough procedural content / dungeons and non fighting area to socialize , have vendors sell your stuff etc.

[gloomy cradle]

Think of it this way. You're on the leaderboards for one of the most hated suggestions.

[trail quartz]

kids just want a lobby game with no story and no soul to be quickly release to slash people and rank their PP, this is deplorable lol

released*

[hollow flicker]

what you describe is a different game, regarding all the portal stuff

social lobby / tavern is already a highly upvoted suggestion over and over

and will probably happen eventually

[trail quartz]

I cant put my finger on the name but I remember a "similar" game .. well kinda.. an old offline game that managed really well the lobby / tavern /character management things out of combats sequence , it was very simple while being very deep system and cool

[upbeat pewter]

Regarding movespeed with heavier weapons, seems good, but heavier downside while swinging?

[frail locust]

*** ADD VOIP PRETTY PLEASE!!!!! ***

[gloomy cradle]

I read the suggestion as 'raise move speed while swinging heavy weapons'

[cosmic thistle]

Already confirmed just maybe not for this upcoming playtest

[upbeat pewter]

you might be right. i feel like more slow down, less normal speed is a good idea

more slow down if hit

[gloomy cradle]

maybe just include more of a lunge with the swing?

[upbeat pewter]

possibly

[gloomy cradle]

or a controllable lunge based on how long you hold the attack key. That way you can use more skill to stop yourself from overextending

[upbeat pewter]

sounds good. depends if they are willing to code it

[ionic mango]

yo can anyone explain the suggestion charles did? the one about 15 dex

the way he worded it made it sound like people are escaping him but he wants to reduce the slow??

[smoky yoke]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from CharlsV#0885

Slightly decrease slow downs for heavy weapons, as it stands anything with 15 or more agility is walking away

Opinion:

+12

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[smoky yoke]

this one?

[ionic mango]

ye

@smoky yoke so?

[hollow flicker]

When you attack with 2 handed weapons you move a lot slower (this was not the case in PT#2), OP means that you can't chase down someone with a 2 hander because when you swing you slow down and they are fast enough to move away

i think it's kind of true with 1 handers, unless you're a rogue I had to use fists to kill people who ran away

[smoky yoke]

yes this is true, also for barbarians sometimes
they had to use fists otherwise they couldn't reach rogues/rangers

[ionic mango]

ooh gotcha, i thought he meant slowdown from getting hit

it gets my upvote then

[hollow flicker]

There was the idea that in PT 2, 2 handers were the meta, and in PT3 due to the slowdown 1handers were the meta

I can't really say one way or the other but perhaps they nerfed 2h too much, maybe a middle ground is needed

[ionic mango]

when was the PT 1

what month

[smoky yoke]

seems like at august

[tender remnant]

My new suggestion. Stop the Discord spamming

[nimble juniper]

not as bad as the furry one

[odd kestrel]

-boone's voice- is it time?

[opaque shore]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from nes#0115

Short cut button to quickly throw throwables (Daggers, Franciscas)

Opinion:

+4

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Suggestion ID: 1570901 | Submitted at · Jan 29, 2023, 5:41 PM

[opaque shore]

Downvoters let me know why

[serene snow]

would each throwable have it's own key or should the system decide which throwable to use based on some system. like how tarkov chooses which grenade to use based inventory order.

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Ben#2317

limit each account to only have one character per class. Then lock out players from using that class after dying for ~15 minutes. This will force people to use more classes

Opinion:

-165

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[serene snow]

pls upvote this suggestion. i want to get this one positive today

[ionic mango]

lmao

[vale hound]

@serene snow But if you really don't like the gameplay of all classes except one, then you would not like the game for that mechanic. I think everyone should play what they want.
No one would play dungeons and dragons or any other class based game if they are forced to a class decision

[serene snow]

do you want to play a d&d game where almost everyone is the same class? forcing people to use other classes will lead you into more engagements with other classes. it also makes extracting more of a reward

[ionic mango]

but where is the almost everyone factor? they gave u the stats, its pretty balanced xD

[serene snow]

eventually there will be a meta build that takes over

people didn't find out that rogue was the best class until the end of the playtest

[vale hound]

In those couple of hours i played, i've came across all classes pretty evenly. Of course there are a bit more rangers, but if there is any balancing issue, it's better to rebalance that before

[ionic mango]

wtf, people been knowing that

and even then, rogue isnt the majority of players

[vale hound]

I personally like every class except for cleric and wizard, because i don't like the spell system

[elder heart]

L

[sturdy spear]

.shortinfo 1570953
good suggestion

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Loba#3503

[Less chests overall but more and better loot in chests to compensate so looting chests feels more rewarding, exciting and less "grindy"]

Opinion:

+21

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[serene snow]

that change would be a big nerf to rogues

so it would balance the game out

[ionic mango]

i know u think it does

but the game doesnt need to be balanced

its pretty alright lad

[serene snow]

yeah, they should just release it as is

[ionic mango]

beautiful

[serene snow]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Ben#2317

single-use hookshot item that can only be used on a special surface. Similar to how the hookshot in zelda 64 only works on some surfaces. These could lead to hidden treasure chests, places to hide, shortcuts, etc.

Opinion:

-41

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[serene snow]

maybe we can get this one positive

[violet garden]

This isn't an upvote contest. If people don't like it then they don't like it.

[ionic mango]

ur probably bringing more peoples attention to that and will lead to more downvotes tbh

[serene snow]

i have the most downvoted suggestions that aren't troll suggestions

i bet they'll get implemented

[ionic mango]

thats an achievement, gratz

although id consider the class and game locking out suggestion to be pretty troll

[serene snow]

this happens in tarkov with scavs. also games like The War Z did it when it was popular

[ionic mango]

and their both in the shitter

locking people out = unfun

and ur argument doesnt even apply properly

[serene snow]

i wish tarkov didn't lock me out of scavs

[ionic mango]

i play exclusively barbarian, with a friend that only does fighter and one that only does cleric

why would the 3 of us be forced to play the "meta" that you are so against

[serene snow]

dying in these types of games is supposed to be punishing. that way it's more rewarding when you survive

[ionic mango]

it already is, u literally lose everything

[serene snow]

losing your levels would be another possibility

or at least some xp

[ionic mango]

...

ur already losing everything

u can set up personal challenges

everytime u die in game

go 2 days withotu water

and stuff like that

to make it more "punishing"

[serene snow]

i think losing some xp when you die isn't a bad idea

only pvp though. and the killer gains the xp

[ionic mango]

suggest it then

watch it get downvoted to oblivion

[serene snow]

i might

[ionic mango]

its already been suggested before and its at -80 atm

[serene snow]

can you shortinfo it pls

[ionic mango]

damn that involves a lot of scrolling up

[serene snow]

lol

[ionic mango]

i think it was by mrbeanz if u wanna search for his name

[serene snow]

i dont need it

i'll find it later

[ionic mango]

so what do u lose in tarkov when u die

apart frmo ur gear

[serene snow]

if you play as scav you get timed out

[ionic mango]

very fun sounding mechanic

forced to not play the game

[serene snow]

it forces you to play as pmc

[nimble juniper]

just bring better loot if you wanna die with it

[reef cosmos]

this would make pvp hell for some classes

you think we didn't see that?

[serene snow]

wdym?

[fervent falcon]

Ben, no offense but locking people out from playing the class they want to, deserves 165+ downvotes imo, and asking people to upvote your own suggestions is kinda trashy lol. There is no way that a suggestion with 165 downvotes is going to get overturned to be positive either, that's just not realistic.

[serene snow]

never give up

[fervent falcon]

never surrender. But in this case you should accept it lol.

[granite plinth]

your idea is forcing people to play classes that they dont want to basiclly

[serene snow]

force people not to die

[fervent falcon]

Do you mean you think people are dying because of the class they pick / they picked the wrong class / non-meta / are bad at the class they like?

[granite plinth]

what? bro people always die to mobs and groups

[serene snow]

they die because they are not careful

because there is no real penalty for dying

[granite plinth]

the only penalty i see is losing everything u had on u

[fervent falcon]

I don't think forcing people to keep changing the class they play will make people play more carefully, most of the time when I died it was through no fault of my own, other than a skill issue or simply getting ganked by a rogue or a bigger, better party.

[fervent falcon]

Personally I think losing all of your gear is a big enough penalty. What if you have all blue/purple/orange? or rubysilver, etc.

[serene snow]

i'd rather be locked out for 15 minutes and keep that gear if i die

that would be too easy though

[granite plinth]

"keeping your gear" people will start walking with mythical gear then

[fervent falcon]

I think some players hardly ever escape, so its enough of a penalty even if they have basic. It doesn't need to be more punishing and hey you can't keep practicising the same class, here try wizard or rogue even if you personally despise those classes. Or try cleric even if you have no idea how to pvp with cleric and get destroyed again.

[serene snow]

and gear would have to dup or you'd have to prevent people from looting other players

[barren wing]

A lot of players hardly ever escaped

[fervent falcon]

Yeah that was my thinking, just based off the stats I saw.

[barren wing]

It’s like 3 to 1 for deaths to escape

Which makes sense since a majority of a lobby would die before the blue portals popped up

[fervent falcon]

I think that could be improved slightly when team escape portals return but basically yeah. There's nothing you can do to improve the odds if you are always getting ganked by better geared and skilled parties. I think the game is plenty punishing, there's always a bigger fish unless you're the #1 player.

[barren wing]

I enjoyed the solo escape portals last session. The added pressure was kinda nice since you’re already at an advantage if partied up.

[serene snow]

maybe there could be a cleric merchant that will revive you for ~20g and let you play right away if you dont want to wait

[fervent falcon]

They do create a little conflict in the sense of "who takes first portal", that's the only reason I hated it, nothing against the pressure / difficulty etc

[reef cosmos]

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upvote if you agree, many rogues did this last playtest

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Eliézer Samuel#2217

A feature on the system to record spawn kills and ban trolls. Without the need for the players themself to record and send the evidence. Not everyone is a streamer

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[reef cosmos]

apparently there is no punishment unless the victim records and reports

[tired osprey]

Spawn kills as in people who go into a spawn and kill someone in their?

[granite plinth]

he mean i thing killing party members

[reef cosmos]

@tired osprey lol, when you spawn with randoms and one of them kills at the spawn

[tired osprey]

You should phrase it as killing friendlies not spawn kills as many would assume you are referring to people who check out other spawn rooms for players.

[serene snow]

that's what i thought

[reef cosmos]

weird, i didnt think anyone would imagine that

its so obvious entering other ppl spawn isnt bannable or wrong in any way

[serene snow]

they just added trolls

why would they ban them?

[reef cosmos]

lol

[serene snow]

you dont need to stream to record. use nvidia overlay in game anf setup shadow play

[reef cosmos]

which you mean i would have to record 7h of gameplay?

[serene snow]

you can set it up like the police body cams

record the last X minutes

[reef cosmos]

isnt easier for the game to have anti-troll mechanics instead?

[livid mason]

yeah, you even also have a map to see where the general spawns are, it's not that difficult to learn or counter

[reef cosmos]

exactly

You shouldn't consider spawn kill as invading other ppls spawn, to me its obvious its about friendly killing eachother

[serene snow]

in fps spawn killing means something different

[serene snow]

these can be abused if they aren't setup right

[livid mason]

yeah usually it's a point and click mentality, you barely can counter it unless your enemy is dog

[serene snow]

got to be careful with a system that can ban you

[reef cosmos]

@serene snow if in the first 10 seconds of the game you get killed on your spawn

either the game bug where you spawn with other team is still there or you got backstabbed by your ally

i can see no abuse

[serene snow]

the troll could engage you and then stop and let you kill them

then you are banned

[reef cosmos]

lol

then make it punishment like anyother game, add queue time for that troll

etc

[granite plinth]

or just catch that moment with nvidia so u have prof after geting banned

[serene snow]

troll will enjoy getting people banned

say something funny right before they kill you on voip

[livid mason]

honestly this discussion isn't really going any where. The real trolls are the random queue ups in discords and then getting back,stabbed and looting and leaving for dead for free loot. the spawn thing doesnt make much sense imo

[granite plinth]

its going to be kinda hard to trust randoms u queue up with or they can add no friendly fire but that prob will never happen

[serene snow]

maybe damage could reflect against teammates

so you kill yourself if you hit a teammate

[reef cosmos]

maybe reduced dmg agains teammate

[granite plinth]

that accidental shots cound happend

if ur teamate moves by accident in front of your shots or swings

[serene snow]

or on purpose

[livid mason]

Nah everything should stay the same. just have a report button option after you see the option to keep watching and or leave lobby. they'll have a red name so it can indicate they are a teamkiller or something.

so playing with randoms can be safe. then have a black merchant market to remove the name for xxx gold thats multiplicative

[serene snow]

that could work

[granite plinth]

so add tabs to peoples profiles indicating there reputation with other people "respected , dishonered"

[granite plinth]

they better pay 500 g if they want to do the same stuff

[blazing flame]

If a player is killed by another player, there should be a Punishment button. Simply because friendly fire is going to happen, it should be up to the player if the one who brought them down gets hit with a Betrayer title and a time limit before playing another match.

[reef cosmos]

My point is, there is the need for a punishment of some kind

Right now, if you don't record it and send a report, there is no punishment for the trolls who kill teammates

During last tournament, we had people who weren't aware the devs knew who was killing team members, trying to get kills on the tournament with their allies

[blazing flame]

True...that's why I think it should be up to the player. Because I did cast fireball during a dungeon while screaming "Step away young Scholllaarrr!" and heaved fireball at the skeleton which also splatted my friend.

[reef cosmos]

@blazing flame my suggestion is about spawn deaths, if you get killed by your ally in your spawn like 10 sec after spawning

outside of the spawn is hard to tell

[blazing flame]

@ifood I think it should be for the entire game as well as spawn, because yeah spawning and getting back stabbed sucks, but making it through dungeons with massive loot just to be stabbed in the back by your party sucks even worse.

Hence, a blanket Punishment player option

I mean, just for spawn, we're then just discussing how long before someone can troll you

[simple anvil]

Add a forgive system if team killed by someone in your party u could forgive them or punish them

[blazing flame]

@simple anvil I agree, two options, Punish or Forgive, red and green would be great and can be triggered whenever someone kills you, either at spawn or at the end. Then a reputation marker will pop up above their heads whilst sitting at the tavern table to let those who sit at the same table know this Player is known for back stabbing

It will get to a point where the troll will have dug their own grave and will need to solo or party with his own kind and take the risk of being betrayed themselves

There should be a damage timer too, so they can't stab you once, and let a skeleton finish you off. So if you die within that damage timer range, the Punish/Forgive options should still pop up within a X time frame of 'friendly' damage, like 30sec or so.

[granite plinth]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Chet MF Manley#5321

[ Be able to take the soul out of a dead person, put it into another body and be able to resurrect them ]

Opinion:

-1

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[granite plinth]

this suggestion defeats the purpose of a resurrection shrine

[fervent falcon]

I agree. The wording is unfortunate, even though I understand what the suggestion meant.

[fervent falcon]

There's also no way to record it, if someone kills you before you load in.

re: consequences, people keep talking about being "banned", I still think its simpler not to directly punish them anyway, just give them a red name or something. So you can see whether or not the person you're grouped with is going to give you a bad time. Just let players know what they're getting into.

[fervent falcon]

They could just remove friendly damage even though its not realistic, thats how it works in Fortnite. Even though people can still troll their teammates in other ways in either game. No FF eliminates all possibilites of people abusing the system or backstabbing someone in the last 5 seconds to loot them too.

[fervent falcon]

That's unfortunately true too. Imagine being a Ranger and teammate intentionally leaping in front of your shots or blocking your view so that you get punished or take reflection damage. vldl did a skit on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxbARh7BkQ

[fervent falcon]

or basically play solo for consistent teamkillers - I think thats the best punishment in itself. It's true I would definitely laugh if a teamkiller got killed by another teamkiller though.

[smoky yoke]

[fervent falcon]

I do think resurrection shrines should give you more than 1 hp though (and maybe spawn you with a basic weapon or torch - since torch is both weapon and light, and fists=weapon). Maybe because I have bad experiences with them in general. - I rarely get ressed, but the number of times being ressed without a torch/weapon or "spellbook" for the magic casters has got to be close to 100%.

[smoky yoke]

seems like devs were thinking about karma and fame as system actually

from an old message of sdf

I'm thinking about Karma and Fame. But this is just an idea and we don't know when or how it will be made.

[granite plinth]

it wound be appreciated by a lot of people if they changed the amount of hp u get from being resurrected

[serene snow]

imagine a teammate blocking the spawn door and being invincible

max trolling

[fervent falcon]

Easy report, is that how it works though is it even possible to bodyblock an entire doorframe? It's never happened to me ingame so I don't know if its possible. If you destroy the door I think you would get past.

[serene snow]

if you stand in the doorway no one can get past you

[fervent falcon]

Even if you destroy the door?

[serene snow]

yep

[fervent falcon]

skeptical

[granite plinth]

u cound kill him but it will backfire on u if they report u for killing party members

[blazing flame]

@fervent falcon I think res shrines should bring you back as well with at least 50%, but I think it's another treacherous aspect of the dungeon that will force you group to either drop loot to bring you your gear, or keep their loot and just rez

[fervent falcon]

Yeah exactly, they could report you for FF. I think trolling a doorway is just a situation where you report, it should really not be possible to fully body block a door though, if you remove it, its a corridor, I don't think you can bodyblock an entire corridor?

[serene snow]

trolls always find a way

[fervent falcon]

There's no gain for a player to troll in that way but maybe due to the time limited nature of the alpha tests that behaviour just hasn't appeared yet. I still think it shouldn't be possible to body block a corridor in any case.

[serene snow]

killing your teammate is an easier troll

[blazing flame]

I think once you get in a radius of the door then you can escape rather than actually going through the door

[serene snow]

and theyll just kill you if you block a door now

[blazing flame]

That would eliminate door blocking

[fervent falcon]

I'm thinking it would be easier to bodyblock a portal but thats no different than just going through it really.

[granite plinth]

if they wound add tackle to barbarian

[blazing flame]

Lol

[serene snow]

no FF and no clipping between teammates would prevent trolling

but the game would be less fun

[fervent falcon]

No clipping shouldn't be necessary and I'm sure that combination would lead to some weird abuse with pavise and so on. Just make corridors wide enough that body-blocking is impossible. +no FF if community supports that more than having it on.

[blazing flame]

I like things the way the are as of last test honestly, I didn't really play with randoms though, just friends in Discord.

[fervent falcon]

I played a lot with randoms, so I know/experienced more about the issues that come up.

[blazing flame]

@fervent falcon I agree, but the doorways are another issue

[fervent falcon]

I don't know the solution to body blocking doorways. I don't think its friendly fire FRA. And pushing means they can just push each other (and also push team into traps/off ledges and all kinds of new nonsense). If you could just get around a person standing in a doorway with some kind of slippage it'd solve itself. Oh- and there's always report. That was the first thing I said.

[opaque shore]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Darkpin#7028

Add more voice chats, alternatively create a different discord server with more channels 🙂

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[opaque shore]

@obtuse knot When they add VOIP we will be fine

This sounds unnecessary to me If they implement VOIP

[obtuse knot]

certainly if they are adding this for the new playtest this is not neccesary

however during the previous playtest alot of the time the channels were all occupied

[fervent falcon]

What if spawnroom(all levels,1-3) had doubledoors? I think the problem would solve itself, it would be a rare issue. Adding code to just deal with doorways has potential to add other kinds of problems/bugs etc. So I think double doors at spawn + the report feature would be enough. I'm finding it hard to imagine someone would decide to troll mid-match by blocking the only exit while death swarm is enroute, not saying it couldn't happen though. I'm sure if its a problem someone will think of something.

[blazing flame]

@fervent falcon Yeah I think that could work, but at the same time I think if someone wants to troll they're going to do it. And also, never put it passed in troll to do whatever, whenever, come mid match or the end.

[granite plinth]

they can change the room so there is 3 doors to go through in 3 direction left,right,straight leading to diffrent rooms but that might backfire if they get pushed throught every entry

[fervent falcon]

Getting pushed happens anyway but I do think doubledoors alone leading into a 2-way or 3-way corridor works. I don't know what can be done mid-match about potentially bodyblocking troll though, besides report. I realised a Cleric using bug abuse could get away with it but again, thats a report for 2+ reasons.

[blazing flame]

Yeah report should be a thing, add a screen shot and so on

[plain knot]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Jerky Gaming#5027

[This one is more for the community and not the devs but I would love if there was a speedrun community on speedrun and maybe a separate speedruning discord. I feel like speedruns of gold on new accounts or like a max level/skill tree would be kinda cool. idk just a thought]

Opinion:

+1

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[plain knot]

thoughts?

[reef cosmos]

There is no content yet to speed run.

Thinking way ahead

[plain knot]

Sure there is. There is no requirement on what can/ cant be speedran. 100 gold, max inv gold, all bosses, max level, all quests, x number of kills, all portals, 10 escapes, max trader friendship level thingy. I mean there certainly is content to run but there isn't any collectables/story that can be completed and I think it could be a pretty fun and different way to play that may be appealing to some players. But yes I am thinking ahead

[unique loom]

Hey folks this chat is for suggestion discussion, not advertising for guilds or lfg.

[carmine path]

That secondary attack should be for a specific class only like barb or fighter

And same with the blocking

If you make it generally it takes away from those classes imo

[tribal patio]

Fighter and barb especially

but since most weapons are those 2 classes asides from daggers

[upbeat pewter]

I dont see how it takes away from fighter/barb. Neither of them really benefit much from blocking with 2h weapons, as blocking in general for PvP is pretty pointless.

[carmine path]

the pvp is still underdeveloped hopefully by beta it'll be fleshed out more

and the zweihandlier has its role just doesn't get played much

[carmine path]

just imagine rouge and wizard blocking barb and fighter hits lmao

[upbeat pewter]

How woukd they block barb hits exactly?

Blocking is already coded for attacks to bypass if the damage exceeds an amount. A dagger obviously wont block a 2h weapon.

[carmine path]

Idk that’s up to the suggester

[upbeat pewter]

No, its up to the devs, lol

People act like suggestions have to solve all problems, but they dont. A good suggestion is just an idea that can be expanded upon

[carmine path]

Exactly I’m just saying that having other classes merge their role with something unrelated like blocking just doesn’t make sense

A rouge originally is supposed to be a glass canon so why block at all

A wizard is supposed to be back line support so is ranger, so why block

[upbeat pewter]

Blocking isnt any classes 'role'. And theres no harm in having those options for players to find use for them.

[carmine path]

If that’s what the community wants then by all means

[upbeat pewter]

Spell scrolls are already planned btw.

[carmine path]

That’s good

[void jetty]

Fortnite skins?

You know with funny dance

colorful

[granite plinth]

Fortnit dance might be good

But not skins

[opaque shore]

Goku in Dark and Darker?

[reef cosmos]

i dont want any colorful skins in dark and darker, if this is really implemented, pls add an off button, i dont want to see goku shooting fire ball at me. Kills the whole immersion

[void jetty]

Rick and Morty

in DnD

[reef cosmos]

disgusting

[opaque shore]

Yeah me neither. I just see every suggestion like these just as a joke, honestly

[void jetty]

Im just joking, relax:v

[reef cosmos]

yeah, some ppl like the idea tho

teenagers would like to see skins like that

[opaque shore]

I would say that's generalizing

[gloomy cradle]

I just want Druids that can turn into gorillas

[opaque shore]

Harambe user

[gloomy cradle]

Unkillable due to psychological warfare

[upbeat pewter]

i want druids that can use rat form for 'stealth'

V rising esque

[gloomy cradle]

They should add an easy mode on April 1st that puts you into a trap maze with no blue portals

[upbeat pewter]

trap maze on april 1st only for people who make troll suggestions

[gloomy cradle]

How would they connect troll discorder to in-game player?

[upbeat pewter]

magic

[chilly geyser]

Can we force the Dev to let the play test forever instead of 1 week that's too little

[upbeat pewter]

no

id rather the game be developed, and actually continue to progress to release at a good pace

[chilly geyser]

Let the play test doesn't stop them to Dev it . If u prefer the game be developed to play it that's your choice

1 week is really to little

I need my dose

We all need it

[reef cosmos]

i would agree with darknesse

[dull glen]

making sure the servers work properly etc is a lot more work than you think with the amount of players the playtests get, the team is small so it's away from actual development time

[reef cosmos]

releasing too early would only make ppl bored and leave the game

We need more content some kind of progression system, more maps, modes, mobs

Till the end of the year we will see all that

[chilly geyser]

Yeah I see your point guys. But 1 week after waiting for months... This is frustrating af. Could be not forever but at least someth like 1 month to test. 1 week isn't a test, it's a taste

[reef cosmos]

you have to deal with it, its no their duty to release the game, they want to do it.
Go to general chat you will see ppl crying but no one wants to force them to do anything.

Everyone wants to play this game but, we want the best version

[gloomy cradle]

It's only 42 days in between PT3 and PT4

People have survived longer without food

[chilly geyser]

42 days without sleeping well, with paranoia phases. After the end of playtest, every game felt gloomy. Lol

[gloomy cradle]

I don't think game developers are trained to help you with those problems.

[upbeat pewter]

theres a lot of effort in keeping the servers going, and likely a lot more than you realise. if 30% of the team are being put to running the servers, maintaining connection, gathering relevant data from the players, ect, its going to slow down the overall development, especially when those same people are needed for specific issues.
they make tests with a specific goal in mind (what they want tested, and how they are going to gather that info) per test, and thats helping them overall when doing short tests.

[grim fiber]

And it will be the same after the 13th

[reef cosmos]

Can someone suggest the Troll King fighting involving a lot of screams and curses? Maybe not curses but i hope it yells a lot

[opaque shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM_Qu-w46co It screams right in the intro

👀

[distant night]

that crotch bowl is def going to act as a shield ingame..

[gloomy cradle]

Is that for DaD or just UE4 in general?

[opaque shore]

Definitely both, they bought this asset, probably minimally modified it

I'd say the most they would've done is change the size / added in-game stats to fit DaD

[gloomy cradle]

Troll codpiece buckler - smells so bad spiders run from you

at least it's not a helmet

[distant night]

I imagine he's atleast 1.5x bigger than the player so it would be cool if it attacks bounced off of it

Infact since the game has pretty accurate weapon hit detection more armored enemies with weak spots would be SUPER cool for the later levels

[opaque shore]

The medium version says he's 1.5m tall and 2.3m wide

.shortinfo 1572457

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Karu#7785

add training dummy to red portal wait room because the waiting gets boring

Opinion:

+24

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Suggestion ID: 1572457 | Submitted at · Jan 30, 2023, 11:38 AM

[opaque shore]

I love this suggestion

[upbeat pewter]

weapons bouncing would be pretty cool, though it really depends on where. it needs places all weapons can hit

not necessary a spot every weapon can hit, but a spot for each

[distant night]

here it's gonna be the "troll king" it better be large

[upbeat pewter]

otherwise its another nerf for melee

[gloomy cradle]

Who said troll king? I only heard cave troll

[distant night]

wait what I might be confused then

[gloomy cradle]

https://www.ironmace.com/jeo3n4tbx25neyp

that's all they gave us

[distant night]

Yeah, I prob just saw ppl say troll king

[frosty creek]

@sharp creek @gloomy cradle why u dont like ?

[gloomy cradle]

Its developer approved t-bagging. We'll have enough people playing airhorn funerals on their soundboards once they add VOIP

[opaque shore]

.shortinfo 1572642

[eager sable]

Suggestion from MrBeanz#0561

add killstreak and kill feed effects
so for example u can equip a rainbow effect
then it will show MrBeanz killed Rogue 🌈
like that !

Opinion:

-5

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Suggestion ID: 1572642 | Submitted at · Jan 30, 2023, 1:49 PM

[opaque shore]

Here's a simple way to put it @frosty creek It would not fit this game at all

[gloomy cradle]

@frosty creek Thanks for the suggestion though. Yours are always interesting to read even if I downvote most of them

[real trellis]

Don't encourage him

[gloomy cradle]

🫳
💨

[old gorge]

if you hover over the image its called trollking arrives.png

[rancid pebble]

.shortinfo 1572794

[eager sable]

Suggestion from 三和大神#7959

add attack pattern variety. i was thinking, instead of just having the base attack patterns with certain weapons, give us the ability to switch them around in the skill screen and or add new attack patterns that we can choose and change for a weapon. for example: the longsword starts with a stab, then with a slash and ends the pattern with an overhead, but now you change it like a skillset and switch it around to starting with an overhead and ending the pattern with a stab at a different angle or something. i dunno just a thought 🤔

Opinion:

+1

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Suggestion ID: 1572794 | Submitted at · Jan 30, 2023, 3:30 PM

[rancid pebble]

I kid you not I thought about this yesterday, interesting idea but doubt people will like it

[upbeat pewter]

Its not a bad suggestion, but would need a lot of balancing. Cant start with finisher level damage, and cant spam only the same animation.

In all honesty, id open every weapon with a stab outside of dual wield in what we've experienced so dar. Or 3 different types of stabs in the current dungeon.

It does, however, allow for builds that may not always be favourable and allows specialisation. Maybe b1 is open, allowing more slashes, which are easier to land, and aoe. But b2/b3 are both corridors, so stabs are better.

[rocky oar]

[upbeat pewter]

Also opens other things in exchange for finisher damage, like knockback

[rancid pebble]

i was just thinking it would be cool to be able to customize your animations, i dreamt about it funnily enough, but realistically yes people would use op setups

also for good PvP'ers like yolo rage and those inspired by him it would be hard to memorize or predict the animations

lowers the skill ceiling a bit I think

[rocky oar]

[lusty wren]

Weapon attack patterns are pretty integral to balance IMO. Sounds like a bad idea to me

[opaque slate]

agreed

[opaque shore]

One of the biggest problems I see with more attack patterns is users sticking to "META" attack patterns and completely disregarding everything else; We could already see some of this effect in the last playtest cough cough felling axe cough cough

To sum up one of my biggest issues with modern gaming:

"META" or "Best Builds" or even "Best Way to Win" have always been annoying to me.
I never liked these, so I always in every game I ever played, tried my best to make non-meta builds work and I've had a lot of success with this!

[opaque slate]

i literally went in naked barb with only felling axe and destroyed parties that were greens or blues 🙂

[gloomy cradle]

It bothers me so much that everyone uses meta wrong.

It means to transcend people! Meta isn't the best, it what is specifically designed to beat the best despite being bad against everything but the best.

[rocky oar]

bro

[opaque shore]

I love doing subpar builds, makes wins feel 10x more rewarding and fun in games!

[rocky oar]

Nessi

explain to me why "huh-" is a banned word

[opaque shore]

I couldn't really explain this to you at the moment, as I have 0 control over the bots. Feel free to ask the same question by sending a message to @hallow granite, Tavern Masters and above will also see it!

[rocky oar]

that's wild

Ay yoo

There's a report player channel

[gentle blade]

Its now allowed again

[rocky oar]

huh

[opaque shore]

Thanks shoXy ❤️

[rocky oar]

I just thought it was a bit weird, I was just trying to react to DrunkenMagi with a phat "huh" xD

[rocky oar]

According to urban dictionary for meta " A term used in mmo meaning the Most Effective Tactic Available. It's basically what works in a game regardless of what you wish would work." Example: "Ninja in FFXI wasn't meant to be a tank, but it ended up being one in the meta because it's evasion was so high."

lol

[lusty wren]

Eh Meta comes from utilizing outside knowledge to gain an advantage in game. META is what happens when everyone decides to do what the streamers and guide creators do and call it hte "best" 😄 not always indeed the best

[rocky oar]

That's actually called metagaming

[opaque slate]

i love bleed builds 🙂

[lusty wren]

yes which is where the term meta comes from

[rocky oar]

meta and metagaming are 2 different things

[gloomy cradle]

The origin of the word used in games began in magic the gathering. Many people would end up replicating the decks of early tournament winners so that they themselves would do better. Other people would end up 'meta-gaming' these decks by learning all the cards in them and then designing their decks to specifically counter them. These meta-decks would often easily beat the best decks but lose to normally constructed decks.

With the creation of livestreaming, some highly watched players began to misuse the word because they didn't know what it actually meant. Thinking the prefix was actually an acronym, they then created that acronym in a self fulfilling prophecy. It ended up getting spread to their viewers who then continued to spread the misinformation. Now the word meta is a homonym.

[rocky oar]

[gloomy cradle]

I was there Gandalf. I was there 3000 years ago...

[civic wharf]

Is there any news of standardizing interaction speed across all classes?

[verbal marsh]

It is a good idea, but it would be a much more complex game to develop.

Don't see it happening how you'd want it from a coding perspective.

The idea makes me reminiscent of Toribash.

[steel oyster]

should movement speed be affected by what you have in your inventory instead of what you have equipped in your hands?

[granite plinth]

Irl you run faster if your hands are free honestly

[steel oyster]

Yea but if youre wearing a backpack full of gold and silver wouldnt you be a little slower? @granite plinth

[granite plinth]

oh that true

But even without that feature i think characters are kinda already slow

[steel oyster]

You havent seen the naked wizard strat then lol @granite plinth It makes him so fast

[verbal marsh]

I wouldn't be against a 5% bagged gear penalty, fe: -10 speed item lowering your speed by -.5 once collected.

[granite plinth]

Im pretty new still

[civic wharf]

This is a serious problem

[steel oyster]

Like I feel to make it easier to code at least, each slot or section of slots in your inventory is equal to "X" amount of weight and gives you a debuff to speed @verbal marsh

[verbal marsh]

That go too far and people would just stop looting and killing people. At least if it is gear based it would make you consider whether you want to loot someone you killed or not.

[steel oyster]

I think it would decrease pvp tbh. If you see that someone is super quick its obvious they wouldnt have any loot to begin with so almost not worth getting into a fight with them. @verbal marsh

[verbal marsh]

they would have to have str play a role in encumbrance, FE: you can hold x amount gear penalty in your bag.

[steel oyster]

Good idea @verbal marsh

Makes sense a wizard cant carry as much as a barbarian

[gusty timber]

I think a good way to nerf the thief class would be to make it more of a pick your fights class

[civic wharf]

I do not like that idea at all. Look at interaction speed, its already extremely punishing to play the low interaction speed classes solo, but it groups it makes zero difference

[gusty timber]

Like decrease the rouges damage but make their interaction speed faster

[verbal marsh]

Yeah I dont see it happening, just entertaining the idea.

[gusty timber]

So they won’t be so annoying if they catch you off gaurd but they can slip away easy

[steel oyster]

@civic wharf in the patch notes they say they havent implemented the "resourcefulness" trait yet, all the items that carry those traits are usually the slow ones. Resourcefulness improves item interaction

[gusty timber]

That’s their point it’s supposed to be a HOW DID HE GET THERE momenr and it’s really fun tho I feel rouge is a bit tooo meta

Like if you’re watching a mega epic dark n darker complation XDXDXD 9/10 they’re playing rogue

[verbal marsh]

rogue just has some of the best perks for solo pvp

[steel oyster]

@verbal marsh true

[gusty timber]

That’s fair and as a solo they’re specifically catered to do that that’s the point

I don’t doubt they should specialize in that aspect but I think they’re specializing toooo good

[steel oyster]

Rouge has everything for a solo player. Escape, quick attacks, high dmg. youre supposed to be an assassin. Not sure if you ever see rouges in team fights they usually die immediately

[gusty timber]

Maybe I need to get good tho tbf lol

[gusty timber]

Valid

[verbal marsh]

Artemis Entreri is by far my favorite rogue character in books.

[gusty timber]

Who

I’m dumb I don’t know things

[steel oyster]

I think one thing the devs would really need to focus is not making a "meta" each class should be super good for each role they play. Ex, Barbarian is a tank that can dish out huge dmg if he hits with slow atks. Cleric should be focused on healing the team back to full after an encounter, and so on

[verbal marsh]

They all have their own solo strengths, rogue is just good cause you can easily sneak up on people if you know what you're doing.

[gusty timber]

I think cleric is sort of a tank class

Like especially with the shield

[steel oyster]

Cleric is unfortunately not a tank class XD I mained him last one

[gusty timber]

That’s the only way my friends and I kill the Minotaur he’d block it with a shied and we’d shoot it

[gusty timber]

Shield good

And health also good

[steel oyster]

Im just bad then lol

[verbal marsh]

Just set a pavise and open the door and shoot him.

[gusty timber]

Hdjdnd we all are the game was out for a week not much time to be a pro lol

Hopefully I’d they decide to release it early acsess in April we can become competent lol

[gusty timber]

Can’t those be destroyed?

I hadn’t thought of that tho

[verbal marsh]

Person I watched killed him easily enough idk.

[steel oyster]

I honestly hope they dont release early access. That's how games get stuck in development like Dayz, Tarkov, and a lot more

[gusty timber]

Yeah Tarkov is a mess

In all fairness tho that’s how most games are

[steel oyster]

It's not how it used to be... 😦

[gusty timber]

They get update constantly throughout their realese they’re never really done

[gusty timber]

Lol fair

[verbal marsh]

no such thing as early access, once you put your money out you're paying for what you're paying for.

[reef cosmos]

160h and 9 minutes till playtest

[gusty timber]

Mc constantly gets updates tho same with apex n stuff and those are polished games I agree that they should polish the game before releasing it lol

[gusty timber]

It’s an evolving project you aren’t just paying for what you get on launch it’ll change into something more than that and let’s be fair the play tests had issues but who here wouldn’t pay to play it again

[verbal marsh]

that is just buyers remorse.

[steel oyster]

I think we all agree it Dark and Darker scratches the itch we all are wanting from a game right now. The game has huge potential I would hate to see it get catered to the people who spend money on microtransactions, or rushed into production

[gusty timber]

Explain

I am dumb

[gusty timber]

Fair

[verbal marsh]

you pay in hopes of further updates, but you're essentially paying for whatever product that is already available.

[gusty timber]

Also I think the itch is “a consistently good extraction shooter that dosent turn my pc into a cooktop stove”

[steel oyster]

@gusty timber Take Battlefield 2042 for example. Huge money production, released it about a year ahead of schedule and they hoped to hide behind the curtain of "triple AAA" game

[verbal marsh]

if you dont think the game is worth 30$ don't buy it simple as that. If its worth 30$ at its current stage then buy it.

[gusty timber]

In all fairness tho dark n darker is more than that it’s a neat twist on the genre with its own quirks

[gusty timber]

Don’t compare an inde game to something rushed through a triple a studio the same way a burrito goes through my digestive system

The fact they’re hesitant at all to reales an early acaess in April in spite of the massive success so far is more than evident something like that won’t happen

[steel oyster]

If you look back at the games you never had to download, you walked into gamestop and bought the game. That was it, no DLC, no Updates, it was either a good or bad game. That's what made the market for video games competative

[verbal marsh]

People with no standards just toss their money around, and publishers - not devs. - are use to that and will take your money and pull the devs to another project lol.

[gusty timber]

Workers have a lot more control over this project given it’s inde

[steel oyster]

Im glad they are indie. I just really hope they dont cave in for more money

[gusty timber]

Well yeah fair that’s what you get when you buy it but later more updates would probably be released and again who wouldn’t pay to play for the current version

Like they aren’t just gonna reales de the early acsess and stop messin with it

Otherwise they’d just release the game fully

Again this is all hypothetical tho

[verbal marsh]

your hypothetical has been disproven time and time again sadly.

[gusty timber]

Exactly wich is why this isn’t as much a problem with a good chunk of inde games like dark n darker workers more specifically the devs have alot more control over not only the process of development and it’s efficiency but their own well being

[gusty timber]

Fair although it depends I’d say

[verbal marsh]

true enough

There are some good games with early access releases but they're few and far between

most cases you're getting what you paid for, and if you expect more well... shame on you lol

[gusty timber]

That how it be especially since their inde they can’t just rig the market to make a profit in spite of putting no investment into the product alk they can do is put as much capital into the product itself and ball ig

But that being said with the market domminated by so many others it hard

They’ve gone on saying they wouldn’t milk micro transactions probably only for meaningless cosmetics but even still they’ve wanted those cosmetics not only to play a part in making it activley a burden (in an intresting silly way) but also allow for a means to get it without paying for it

That’s what the skeliton skin was

If you noticed it actively gave you a debuff

Looked metal af tho lol

[verbal marsh]

Not a fan of mtx at all. Don't see it working unless they intend to go f2p, but shrug who knows.

Last game I put money into was Star Conflict, which is basically a space version of wof tanks. Had a fairly immersive system until they plagued the ui screen.

Namely put money into since it was f2p, and I'd over 300 hours in it. The ships were not much of an adv, but I'm sure f2players viewed me as whaling.

Doesn't really matter if you've an advantage or not soon as people see that cash ticket they get jelly and leave if they too cant afford it lol.

Games are suppose to be an equal playing field, cash even for cosmetics are viewed poorly unless the ingame rewards are superior in visual design.

Most successful games that use mtx time gate cosmetic rewards, and allow players to bypass battle-pass earning systems to purchase it directly, so no-one is the wiser.

Partly what made Overwatch 1 so successful.

[boreal sun]

cosmetics usually result in the majority of players not putting any money in, maybe one or two things for their favorite character, and then a minority of whales who buy absolutely everything

battlepasses allowing you to pay money to bypass the timegate could be considered a form of predatory marketing

especially if those cosmetics are limited time only, because it abuses fear of missing out
even if you don't want it now, what if you will want it a year from now and it's not available anymore? etc.

[verbal marsh]

Ofc its predatory lol it wouldn't be a mtx if it wasn't trying to take your money.

Cosmetics are basically a form of NFT in-game, only you don't own exclusive rights lol

[boreal sun]

ideally players would realize cosmetics are useless and only really used to support the developers, but
idk, mtx wouldn't be as common if it weren't successful

and honestly with how much time and work goes into a game, and how many people need to feed themselves, games are disgustingly cheap compared to the labor that goes into them
it makes sense why certain monetization schemes exist

[verbal marsh]

I think players understand that, but its a status symbol and if you've x amount of hours in game you expect to be recongized regardless of your RL cash circumstances.

[boreal sun]

well there's always the chad default players to look up to

default demoman with 3k hours who destroys everyone and feels no need to track kills or wear hats

if only we could all be so pure

[verbal marsh]

Basically people want to earn anything you can buy, and paying for it is whaling. Putting hours into the community and playing the game should be enough to earn a bit of pixels.

As long as you can earn it, it doesn't have an advantage; Then it should be fine. Based on the last playtest, presumably see them going with the rotational predatory idea I stated earlier if they were to do mtx.

[boreal sun]

of course the earn time shouldn't be too long
in dbd you can technically earn most characters using a free currency but the time it would take you is actually insane

[verbal marsh]

Still you can save it and wait for a different skin that releases, or you can whale and just buy em all : P

[boreal sun]

there's also the argument of whether paying to get earned cosmetics downplays the pristige of those cosmetics

I'd argue something like that should only be accessible through playing the game, and paid cosmetics should always be separate

[verbal marsh]

Hence why battle-passes have become popular form of mtx.

I'm honestly not a big fan of those.

but they seem to work fine.

[boreal sun]

need earn-only cosmetics for those who have the time but not the money, paid-only cosmetics for those with the money but not the time, and sprinkle in some that require either

something for everyone, and it's easier to distinguish the whales from the dedicated players

[verbal marsh]

and thus where the argument always lies : P

[boreal sun]

I think the more important issue is whether the grind exists purely to wear down players into spending money

if the grind only exists for the sake of monetization, then it's predatory

but if the grind existed and was designed without monetization in mind, and monetization was added afterwards, then it's probably more "fine", because chances are the grind won't be unnecessarily "grindy"

[verbal marsh]

I'm strongly against multiple in-game currencies. They've Gold, silver, candycanes, and escape currencies since last playtest... An additional UI screen for cosmetics, and the next thing you know they'll have Featured content, Cash shop cosmetics, more seasonal currencies, popups, and more.... I'd suggest to stop the plague and avoid mtx for the time being. Were people to purchase anything best to just have the cosmetic currency monetized.

[gusty jetty]

Has there already been discussion about the hitboxes of jewelry (bracelets, rings, necklaces) on the ground, and how much precision it takes to pick them up? I'm considering making an official suggestion to just fill in the hitboxes to make those items a bit easier to loot, especially in places like the Library where there are a lot of them. I don't wanna spam the suggestion channel if it's already been discussed to death though.

[verbal marsh]

have you played tarkov before?