suggestion-discussion

[strange sable]

I don’t agree. It seems like rogue is getting all the abilities that rogues should have like invisibility

Wizard*

[pure summit]

I would take Wiz stealth and give it to Rogue, and in return give Wiz a Decoy/illusion spell, if I had to swap abilities around

[jagged thunder]

rogues need more tools and skills not spells, wizards and casters should get animations spells over a rogue

should rogue have sprint over fighter?

[ebon delta]

In 5e there is a subclass for rogue that can use illusion magic. I think, if devs ever go that route, giving decoys only to that subclass would be a better approach then giving it to all kinds of rogues. But i liked your idea in general @strange sable

[lusty wren]

We havent even seen the first lvl 1 map and we already want more? Id say chill on that

[jagged thunder]

booby trap perk for rogue to trap chests? since you can loot a chest and close it after your done. or a trap item/tool to put in a chest that arms when you close the chest and activates when its opened again?

[lusty wren]

I think before we give rogue more perks we need to shift some of the current ones into their base kit

Right now you are pretty forced to take the pvp perks to be competent

[jagged thunder]

idk rogue had a few builds for team/solo

[sudden glacier]

you should be able to know what spells the wizards are casting, so you can play around it, it is so broken to suddenly fight an invisible fighter with super speed

[lusty wren]

Both really revolved around the PVP perks though.

[lucid root]

Wizard really is the main character

You're just living in his world

He's got dev team favoritism, he's un nerfable

What if we're all just playing wizard at a certain point in the games life

[strange sable]

I mean Grayson is a rogue and rogues are trash

[lusty wren]

Honestly I dont think wiz is that strong minus the haste/invis interaction

Like they are strong but not OP without that interaction

[lucid root]

I told you, wizards plot armor is showing

[ebon delta]

dude...

[lucid root]

Yes

[lusty wren]

9/10 you can bait the wizards spells with proper positioning. Its the haste/invis that let them always outposition the enemy

[ebon delta]

idk anymore if you are joking or serious

[tender magnet]

Yeah, besides haste/invis, which will prolly get fixed, wizards were never a problem for me no matter what I was playing

[lusty wren]

He goes back and forth 😄

I want to commit sudoku every time I hear the words gearscore in the context of DaD

[lucid root]

It really goes go to show that maybe 9/10 wizards were pretty bad, then there's that one...

[lusty wren]

Wizard took a bit more skill to play then the others. So yes you ran into alot of bad ones.

But things that take more skill deserve to be strong. but not OP.

[lucid root]

Mmm, balanced ™️

Well we solved class balance guys, good talk

[lusty wren]

lol

[lucid root]

I imagine that's how blizzard meetings go

[lusty wren]

Now lets balance rations. 😄

[jagged thunder]

we all know wizards and rangers are cracked

[lucid root]

Damnit I was about to make a joke then you edited it

[lusty wren]

same

[jagged thunder]

with the rogue

[lucid root]

I was going to say "but it's the same class wizard is both"

[jagged thunder]

rogue is probably best solo class to learn with imo

[lusty wren]

People call me crazy, but I had the most success on cleric solo

😄

[jagged thunder]

or barb

cleric was my 3rd choice

[lusty wren]

Barb is the only class I never played

[jagged thunder]

if you can keep your buffs up theyre nice +heals

[lusty wren]

Ya being a absolute monster for 15 seconds at a time is alot of fun 😄

[lucid root]

The uncivilized folk play barb 😒

[jagged thunder]

barn and cleric were the most enjoyable for me rogue was solo usually, i didnt play past lvl5 for the other classes

[lusty wren]

Just gotta be used to disengaging to rebuff and bringing fires

[ebon delta]

Solo barbs are the coolest dudes tho

[lusty wren]

I got everything to 15+ besides barb

[ebon delta]

They are so chill

[tender magnet]

For the longest time I had no clue fires restored spell slots on cleric

[jagged thunder]

then you see me swinging an axe as your party tries to push thru the door

[lusty wren]

After my first raid id never enter another one without a fire as cleric

[lucid root]

Barbs just want to hug you

[ebon delta]

Can't remember one time when solo barb attacked me tbh

[lucid root]

With their axe

[lusty wren]

I also took 9 pots and 9 bandies even though I was a cleric

Heal spells are for combat only

[lucid root]

Jesus christ

[tender magnet]

based and afraid-pilled

[jagged thunder]

i tried fighting every chance i had

[lusty wren]

I like being able to play reckless and save my spells in between combat

[tender magnet]

no I get it though

[lusty wren]

also pot and bandy together are great for moving thru the zone

[ebon delta]

Unless you are wizard who needs almost as much time to apply one bandage as healing potions effect lasts

[lucid root]

These hands ain't for fightin

[jagged thunder]

monk class when?

[lusty wren]

LOL ya they are quite slow at that but those fucks can just run at mach 10 thru the zone

[jagged thunder]

im tryin to liu kang unsuspecting players

[lusty wren]

They seem to think that is going to be one of the harder classes to implement so im guessing you gonna be waiting a bit

[lucid root]

Imagine a dude just run up and start doing Kung fu on you

[ebon delta]

I would be impressed

And probably dead

[jagged thunder]

im pretty sure if they do make a monk class its going to be wonderful

[lusty wren]

IIRC its already confirmed

[jagged thunder]

punching daggers?

[lusty wren]

They said they just have no idea how it will look to be able to kick etc. But that its coming

[tender magnet]

or punching in first person

[lusty wren]

which is cool

[tender magnet]

but yeah they've confirmed it in q&a i'm p sure

[jagged thunder]

yea they talked about druid and monk after bard right? need a psion or paladin

[lusty wren]

Ya was either QA or the Pestily interview

[lusty wren]

Yeah I think they put it in that order also, Bard, druid, monk

[tender magnet]

Interview? yeesh, I'ma have to see that

[lusty wren]

It came out after PT 2 but still has alot of good info. Pestily Dark and darker is all you gotta type to find it

[lucid root]

triple bard meta, how do we stop it?

[jagged thunder]

theres a few interviews

[lusty wren]

Where there any more recent? Ive only seen the pestily one

[jagged thunder]

triple cleric

[lucid root]

My god...

[jagged thunder]

ive watched 2 i know there was more i just looked up ironmace interview on youtube

[lusty wren]

AH ya i see the other now both at same time it seems. Interesting gonna have to check it out

The pestily one is nice cus there are timestamps

so it makes it easy to go back

[jagged thunder]

youtubers take notes

timestamps or delete your vid

[lucid root]

I'll start up a channel real quick and get on that

Shitfaced drunk before I even start recording

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Guys, now don't go hastily downvoting this

[tender magnet]

omw

[lucid root]

Think about it real hard

[lusty wren]

You cant tell me how to live my life! Your not my real DaD

[jagged thunder]

give bard a walking stick/pimp cane?

[lucid root]

Pimp cane, yes

[jagged thunder]

groupie perk with giggling groupies behind you?

[lucid root]

His power up attack is a backhand

[jagged thunder]

and a kiss

seduce

[lucid root]

Dungeon pimpin' ain't easy

[jagged thunder]

ppl running from frisky bards looking for a smooch

[lucid root]

You ever try pimping a dragon? Not easy

[lusty wren]

Id imagine seduce also causes the target to take off a piece of gear

[jagged thunder]

chest/pants priority

[lucid root]

"Yeah...start with the shoes"

[jagged thunder]

voip gonna be real freaky

me calling a late night hotline and proximity chatting it to the dungeon

[lucid root]

You already know it's going to be some weird erotic roleplay guild

[jagged thunder]

the rumpstuffers

[lucid root]

And they single handedly influence a furry class into development...

[jagged thunder]

how are guilds going to work?

[lusty wren]

Hopefully as a glorified friends list and nothing else

[lucid root]

Sounds like a lot of people want guild halls

🤷‍♂️

[jagged thunder]

id like a hall or some type of guild quests during raids

[native cargo]

Thoughts about having collectible items having slight highlights to them according to there tiers, example, like weapons/armors where you are unable to use, they are highlighted in red. What if collectible items also have highlights of there own so you can easily identify them. Thoughts?

[lucid root]

I never play in guilds when it's available honestly

[jagged thunder]

maybe a guild bank

[lusty wren]

Also in the PESTILY INTERVIEW there is a timestamp for the guild question 😄

Had next to no info though. Just said yes we want guilds. And they have NO IDEA how it will look

[lucid root]

Some type or raid storage, everyone helping everyone so they can boss clear faster and all that

[jagged thunder]

they said its a long way off too in qna i think

[lucid root]

No rush for guilds hopefully

[lime imp]

So many shit suggestions lol

[lusty wren]

Yes

its a bit sad

[lucid root]

Don't collectibles already highlignt based off tier color?

[jagged thunder]

hopefully the devs can filter out the bad from their suggestions and make something positive from it

[lime imp]

I hope the dlc races one was a bait but there are plenty of other shit ones

[lusty wren]

Ya, normally community manager will go thru it and hand pick the best suggestions to give to the devs

fitting their vision and metrics

[lime imp]

Someone was unironically asking for gear score match making

[lucid root]

What about unique collectibles that sit on the lobby table once you've collected them

[crude onyx]

Thats just druid lol

[lusty wren]

By collectibles do you mean trinkets?

[native cargo]

yea what im trying to get at is, not having to use your mouse to go through one by one to see what tier they are rather then them just being highlighted in your inventory so you can easily identify what tier you have by just looking there highlights. In which brings us to the point of when picking up armor/weapons that the class is unable to use it is highlighted in red stating that the class cannot use that specific weapon/armor

QoL stuff idk

[lucid root]

Oh I see

Sometimes you just can't even highlight something at all, stuck halfway into the ground

[native cargo]

yea but i understand where your coming from with that, it was just a thought because it was kinda frustrating to go through all the collectibles and see what i wanted to drop for something else that ive found

[rigid prawn]

I just want more races ingame and have 0 problem with paid cosmetics as long as they aren't over priced

[lucid root]

No catgirls

[rigid prawn]

Not DLC, earnable in game

no furries either

[lusty wren]

Ya sorry for the downvote but I downvote everything making hitbox smaller related 😄

[rigid prawn]

maybe Dragonborns at the furthest since that is a race in D&D

its a hard thing to balance i get it

why i opened with IF implemented lol

[lucid root]

In mmos it's fine because everything is auto targeting

[rigid prawn]

Mordhau does an alright job with it

[lusty wren]

I do like at least you took the time to think of some downfalls for it

[rigid prawn]

everyone should think through their suggestions before they post it lol

[lucid root]

My suggestion for that was new races but only the ones that are pretty much the same size as human, so like dark elves, undead

[rigid prawn]

Exactly, Ide love to have dwarves in game but see no way to do it without making their hitboxes shorter

i feel like there is quite a few disadvantages to it though, it would be easier to land overhead

[lucid root]

Yeah and if they run according to their size they'll be slow as shit

[lusty wren]

Ya headshots on it would be super free

as anything melee

[lucid root]

Maybe that's where mobility skills come in for the tiny class like gnome

[lusty wren]

GNOMES!

[rigid prawn]

You couldn't peek doorways either

[lusty wren]

They are sooo small

[lucid root]

Yeeeh the guhnome

[tender magnet]

Gnome -50% size damage penalty, -70% hitbox :)

[rigid prawn]

yeah gnomes would have to have like 50% the health pool or something

[lucid root]

Their hits tickle me

[rigid prawn]

hard to hit but those hits REALLY matter

[lucid root]

Every fight as a gnome will feel like shadow of the colossus

[rigid prawn]

I feel like Humans elves and dwarves are like the Top 3 races people think of when they think D&D/ Fantasy

[lucid root]

Orcs, goblins

Balrogs...

Jesus I just realized playing as gnome will feel like an entirely different game because you're so small

[tender magnet]

I doubt we'd ever see gnomes

but that'd be cool

[lucid root]

Inventory size is 4 slots

[tender magnet]

4 slots but they're all single slots and spread out 😆

[lucid root]

So you can never upgrade gear except jewelry

Can you directly swap off the ground or no?

[tender magnet]

swap off ground? no

[lucid root]

Should be like the poe thing where you can hold something off inventory kind of

So you can swap with a full inventory too

[woeful oriole]

Hear me out here

Imagine a sword right, but you can customize it... To equip more swords

Now when you stab someone. You stab him 9 times. Pure genius if I say so myself

The draw back is it takes 20 years to swing

[opal sparrow]

@strange sable Ive already suggested that its the trickster subclass yet people want to dislike what is even remotely dnd or fantasy.

[opal sparrow]

And it takes extra 10 years to loot

[woeful oriole]

@opal sparrow that reminds me, if the game does follow dnd then arcane trickster would be perfect for rogue

Imagine rogue right, but they're like wizard. They can cast haste and invisibility on themselves... Over snd over again... So you can never kill them

[cosmic thistle]

Trickster rogues couldnt do that though....

In fact, no one could cast both haste and invisibility on themselves technically, its only one at a time since it takes concentration. But arcane rogues for sure couldn't pick up haste. Its a transmutation spell and rogues could only pick up enchanment or illusion spells unless they deleted some of their beginning spells at higher levels in order to choose only 1 spell from a different school.

I dont know how to edit my suggestions but by "d&d" im referring to dungeons and dragons. I tried .edit with the message link but I got an error.

[strange sable]

When you edit you want to copy and paste your original and add your change

It is like re-suggesting it

[cosmic thistle]

I did that

[cosmic thistle]

I found the issue, the message link isnt the suggestions ID, where do I find it?

[strange sable]

It is the id, at the bottom of the suggestion

[cosmic thistle]

Got another error

[strange sable]

Can you paste here what you are trying

[cosmic thistle]

ok

[eager sable]

Protip: You can use .notify to enable or disable receiving DM notifications when an action is taken on one of your suggestions

[strange sable]

You don’t need any brackets

[cosmic thistle]

I tried with and without them already

[strange sable]

And the id is 1524070?

[cosmic thistle]

yes

Ok I figured it out.

For some reason it wanted more than one space between the ID and the edit.

Silly AI

[opal sparrow]

I agree to that many of the strong spells in D&D involve concentration and can be casted if not getting hit or interupted

[sudden glacier]

imagine a class that gives speed, invisibility and damage to others and also himself, and also can throw magic missiles,and also fire and also lightning and also can use daggers and swords

[opal sparrow]

Added to the concentration being interuptable really helps in wizards taking fights with advantageous position and choosing carefully on when to cast it really adds to balance

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah, thinking about it, it would eliminate a lot of issues people have with casters stacking spells and I dont think the casters themselves wouldn't mind too much considering a lot of their strats that would concentrate on spells can still be accomplished without stacks, such as going invis with haste and running behind people would still work with just the invis. Plus even casters face other casters that instantly kill them simply because they got their spell stacks on first.

Its either this or some crazy nerfs like big increases to casting times and decreases in spell damage.

[cosmic thistle]

Sounds like a mid class, cleric is better.

[woeful oriole]

@cosmic thistle im aware, I'm half mocking how fucking stupid wizard being able to use haste and invis is

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah it was crazy man. Especially with items that increased agility. Wizards already dont wear heavy armor that slows them down, that paired with items that actually give them more buffs to speed than debuffs they were zooming monsters.

[woeful oriole]

If it was dnd, the most haste ends, they should stun themselves

So the angry rogues, barbs, fighters and archers can instantly put them in the dirt where they belong

[cosmic thistle]

Jaygriffith was a good example of that. My entire party got killed by him in highroller because he ran around a corner and instantly casted 3 fireballs at us, killing us all. We couldn't run away because he was triple our move speed. And this happend 10 seconds after leaving our spawn.

It was at the barrel wall blockade spawns.

Observing him felt like a fever dream. He was going SO FAST with every item either granting bonus to all attributes or agility.

[woeful oriole]

At a certain point, wizard cast speed is basically as fast as an archer shooting an arrow

[cosmic thistle]

from a survival bow

[woeful oriole]

Except his arrows are aoe...

[cosmic thistle]

@split moss Why would we need the stats for how many players have died and how many of each mob has been killed to be shown in-game?

I mean its sort of a harmless suggestion but also not really one that changes anything or something people would be interested in knowing.

Eventually the numbers will just get so high thats its redundant to keep track of.

"1592958 elite skeletons have died." ok cool?

Maybe like an individual tracker that everyone can see how many times they died and what they have killed would be nice, we already sort of have that with the second playtests leaderboard showing all points for treasure collected, players killed, mobs killed, and how many times you extracted.

[split moss]

I meant a individual tracker of how many you personally killed. Also I meant the stats screen not to be show in game, but instead as a menu option while sitting in the tavern

pretty much just like how it is for high roller but for normal raids

only you can see your own stats though

no leaderboard

[cosmic thistle]

Yeah I dont see why not. Ill change my vote. Its kinda weird to ask for considering we already are basically getting that.

[cosmic thistle]

Wait this was in favor of no leaderboard. Come on bro.

Almost changed my mind.

Personal stats are one thing, getting rid of public ones are another. Edit your suggestion.

[split moss]

leaderbord for non highroller?

[cosmic thistle]

We already know the highroller only leaderboard was temporary, devs said so.

[green dust]

are you afraid of getting lost?

[west cloak]

I think the main thing is that if you make too many game modes you split the community which isn't good for the longevity of the game you want 80% of your community playing the same gamemode

[green dust]

can the minimap be removed from high roll mode?)

[west cloak]

Depends it's tough to take a minimap away when you need it to look at zone-- besides navigation it's the only other thing it shows you

[green dust]

maybe you didn't play the zero games (1995-2002). There you were not led by the handle and there were no indulgences in games) you couldn't become an afc in the middle of a fight and go make yourself a coffee, as it happens in modern games. I think a minimap in DnD is a huge indulgence for players. You just imagine if there is no minimap.

[west cloak]

If you want the game to be tougher maybe focus your goals in game? Idk try beating the high roller bosses

I would argue having the minimap gives the game a higher skill ceiling and lowers the skill floor for new players

[green dust]

👍 ✅

[agile condor]

Lol @ suggestion

I'm telling you, it's Bobby K

[west cloak]

If you make the game too hard to get into it drives off potential new player.

[green dust]

A mode without a minimap, not a GAME without a minimap

[west cloak]

I just think making a whole gamemode around no minimap doesn't add anything to the game

[agile condor]

Woah, don't insult rogues bro

lol

[west cloak]

Rogue players just never played wizard lol

[agile condor]

facts lol

[green dust]

1000 vs 1000

[woeful helm]

Eh, not always and definitely not everyone.

[quiet orbit]

Why is this suggestion post not have Green on it anymore?

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[agile condor]

Green where? how do people see colors on these? lol

[fervent crag]

this is true

[quiet orbit]

green means it has a positive vote ratio

[agile condor]

Sure

what is green?

[quiet orbit]

the side border to the left

[agile condor]

Oh lmao never even noticed that

[opal sparrow]

Cuz too much positive is a bad thing lol

[quiet orbit]

I see

[steady cloud]

@odd reef bro i like ur suggestions i hope ironmace see them and add to the game 👍

[coral yacht]

:Skull:

[green dust]

[green dust]

especially the 1000 vs 1000 mode😄

do you know other words besides this one?

[coral yacht]

[green dust]

lol

Are you even familiar with the DnD universe?

mute

[boreal flint]

We need more gamergirls ....

game is not appealing enough to women

[austere mulch]

It is.

Only class I haven't played is Fighter and Barbarian and I feel I've missed out on some unique perspective cause of it

[proven ember]

I've already committed to being a fighter main. they definitely arent the strongest, but i like the feel of using the falchion and intend to have a back up crossbow next playtest.

[austere mulch]

I'm excited to try something kin to that next run up, as well, now that you mention it

[proven ember]

go watch a few fighter using the longsword videos on youtube and try to tell me that it doesnt look fun as hell

[austere mulch]

A good fighter was a fun challenge to duel, solo, the way someone swiped aside one or two blows with only their longsword equipped was shocking in the moment

[white cliff]

Must be a record for most downvoted suggestions in a row, the trolls are out in full force today. Lmao.

Things that have been suggested, Robots, adding animals to pet so it’s appealing to women, Another Voip suggestion, adding cars, 5-10 second mind control, roller skates, more generic class suggestions, color blind mode, wizard can summon an escape portal, and a system that incentivizes people to kill noobs.

[jaunty gulch]

lol

[raven flame]

Thoughts on random teleport scroll, Nethack style? Think it'd be a fun oh shit button for solos

[spiral trail]

I like the car idea lmao

[white cliff]

@real trellis Yeah I’m not a big fan of any suggestions that try to skirt around the risk factor on loot. Gear insurance, teleporting loot, etc. it’s just part of the gameplay loop and knowing someone just teleported their gear out that I had to risk, and now don’t get from them if I kill them isn’t great.

[opal sparrow]

Ikr, seems to me having more trolls on the suggestions will become a problem because it will give more work for the devs to find good ones.

[real trellis]

I understand where you are coming from, but consider the confluence of circumstances that have to come together for someone to get any decent use out of the scroll. First of all they would need to find it. Second, they would need to have an item that is simultaneously worth holding onto but not needed to finish out the run. You would have to make hard choices. Do you use that blue weapon for the rest of the run to give you a better chance of surviving? Or do you send it to the stash even though that hurts your survivability? Do you even have something in your inventory worth more than the sale value of the scroll? If the numerical values for time needed to use and value if sold are tweaked correctly it could be quite a nuanced decision.

It would never be a panic "screw you, I'm keeping this" button during pvp. There'd be a significant time sink to use it.

[uneven hearth]

I honestly can't tell if some of these suggestions are troll or serious.

[real trellis]

Anything by the bean dude I assume is a troll

[uneven hearth]

I'm not so sure... I really just can't tell.

[white cliff]

After the car suggestion that’s what I think.

[opal sparrow]

And koko guy aswell is a troll

[white cliff]

Yeah like I said the game doesn’t need any way to skirt the risk factor and I don’t see a reason why this would exist.

[opal sparrow]

Just keep on saying classic rogue to provoke people lmao

[real trellis]

Ok, well, apparently everyone who bothered voting agrees with you lol.

[karmic zenith]

Insurance items might work as you suggested, but in my opinion you would be breaking the game's established cycle to add an item that wouldn't really improve the game's flow but might make it worse.

[opal sparrow]

The risk factor shouldnt be lowered tho, the game's uniqueness is heavily on the risk involve.

[real trellis]

What if you had to hide the chest and someone could steal it?

[white cliff]

We’re saying the risk factor shouldn’t be altered in any way.

At all.

Periodt.

[opal sparrow]

Broo geniune question can wardens apply my suggestion?

[real trellis]

Ok jeez

[karmic zenith]

like right now, the risk aspect of the game is pretty much tuned out; all that might be needed is some little adjustments.

[white cliff]

Wardens manage the discord and nothing else.

They have no impact on the game.

They’re unpaid unappreciated volunteers!

[opal sparrow]

My suggestion isnt for the game

[uneven hearth]

If they made it to where higher quality gear was more rare or upgradeable or something like that where it would have taken massive amounts of time to get, then maybe. Atm, I don't see a reason to insure any gear. Even if you could, I'm not sure it's worth to. It opens up a dupping issue that people can take advantage of.

[karmic zenith]

Let me take a look at it.

[white cliff]

Yeah, y’all need a way to deal with the troll suggestions honestly.

[karmic zenith]

And as Jkidd has stated, we have no influence whatsoever on the game; the only thing we might be able to do is offer our feedback to the developers.

[opal sparrow]

Uhh no the discord suggestion I posted recently, thats what I was asking, if you guys could make a channel dedicated for top rated suggestions

Maybe an overall positive opinion score on a suggestion will be transferred to another channel

[karmic zenith]

It seems like an interesting idea, so I'll see what I can do about it.

[uneven hearth]

It's a good suggestion that you have, but there are risk of alienating one person or another. Like I said earlier, I'm not sure all of their suggestions are actually troll.

[karmic zenith]

I believe a member of the moderation team is addressing that issue, so I will attempt to follow up on it to see what can be done.

[glacial bridge]

i see the trolls continue to grow in numbers

just reading the recent suggestions. its baaaad lol

[rose sandal]

@odd reef
This will be your only warning.

If you post another suggestion that is deemed trolling you the will be actions taken against your account.

Suggestions channel is for actual suggestions to make the game better/improve.

Your suggestion has been or are being removed. Please do not let it happen again.

[lusty wren]

"maybe u can add some gun for ranger class and maybe some rocket lansher for wizard class that u can buyed for 10$ each"

[rose sandal]

@white cliff @glacial bridge @lusty wren
As stated previously. We are only human. We know some suggestions are troll attempts. and we are handling it.
All we can say for now is please do not encourage them and acknowledge them. We are handling them.
But in the same statement, Please be aware, some suggestions you might think are trolling, might be something the dev's would really like. So it is something we have to take into consideration, whether we like it or not.

[lusty wren]

😄 I feel included now!

Hey I appreciate any culling of the suggestions Thank you!

[rose sandal]

Had to include you since you just posted someone suggestion

[lusty wren]

😄

[white cliff]

Appreciated.

[agile condor]

Oh snap

Was my suggestion deleted as well? Lol

Damn lol it was 😵

I just dont want to see post from people I’ve blocked rip

[lusty wren]

It was a just sacrifice

[agile condor]

I mean if I could just block them all, we could moderate this ourselves essentially lol

[lusty wren]

Ya, just not sure how that would be possible

Youd have to block the bot

[agile condor]

Sure, if it was currently possible it wouldn’t be a suggestion 😅

[lusty wren]

Well typically suggestions are for things that are possible. This is not just a setting they can adjust.

[strange sable]

Re-program the whole bot lol

[lusty wren]

I still do not think that works. How would the bot access your block list?

let alone 55k peoples mute list

But ya, i am glad the mods are taking more notice to the suggestion channel

[agile condor]

Let the suggestions come from the users themselves

[vivid rover]

I just made one and it was instantly deleted

pretty ridiculous

[lusty wren]

Wouldnt that chat just be this chat then?

[rose sandal]

I suggest you check your DM's

[lusty wren]

I think its obvious why that got deleted

[vivid rover]

... whats the point of a suggestions channel if only approved opinions are allowed

frankly, ridiculous

[lusty wren]

People troll that is why

it devalues the entire system when people are just trolling

[agile condor]

Ha that guy was like the worst offender

[worldly rampart]

@fervent crag #d-and-d-suggestions message
ATM there is different pictures for each rarity https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Weapons#Junk-0 there is not much difference but it is there

unless your talking about the 3d models?

[agile condor]

He means the 3d models

to look at someone and understand how good their gear is

[fervent crag]

It’s just the same design with different colours, it isn’t exactly a unique design.
You want people to know and see that the weapons and amour are epic/legendary/unique so they can be like
“Holy shit he has the Legendary Golden Excalibur or Full set of Legendary Demon gear imbued with 1000 human souls.”

But right now, the only way to see if its a legendary item or any other rarity is inspecting them directly.

[lusty wren]

Unique designs have a place with UNIQUE items

Id love for certain named items to be seen and be like damn that dude has x y or z as you explained

would be neat

[fervent crag]

And then they’ll all gank you and take them from you 🤷‍♀️

[worldly rampart]

Also im not talking about the color background im talking about the image itself being different thou it hard to tell and your talking about how poe does it

[agile condor]

I'd usually agree but I think lets be extreme and the items are just all purple if they're purple etc, that also makes people wearing great gear stick our more as a target and lead to more people wearing crap potentially imo

[agile condor]

You mean "Damn, chase that guy down all raid and get that item""

[lusty wren]

I mean that is fine to, I already engage whoever I see so it wouldnt change anything

[pure summit]

The Rubysilver set is very noticeable, which was pretty cool

[lusty wren]

And most already chase anyone down they see

so ya sure

[worldly rampart]

Are you saying it should be something like this https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/Unique_item

[lusty wren]

Id be ok with how PoE does uniques

I think its a cool system

[pure summit]

I'd say looking at the axe list, definitely having a few stand out uniques/
would be awesome. Maybe a skeleton theme weapon from the lich king, and a ghostly one from the ghost king, etc. https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_unique_axes

[lusty wren]

Though im not a fan of them being class specific

[lucid root]

i'd rather have uniques be kind of gimmicky, or situational. i don't want everyone just going for uniques simply because they're bis

[fervent crag]

Talking about unique 3D designs something to differentiate them from the lower rarities.
For example, like these swords https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/568086940475308587/
Notice how they all have unique designs.

[lucid root]

d2 LoD kind of ruined looting just by making uniques the best

[lusty wren]

Uniques are not BIS in PoE. They are designed to be weaker but with specific affixes

[lucid root]

sorry was talking about d2

[lusty wren]

ya D2 they were not either really. Runewords were But I do see your point

some items were i guess

boots gloves etc

[lucid root]

d2 classic was all about farming rares

[lusty wren]

D2 classic sure, when I think D2 I think including LoD

[lucid root]

i didn't play lod much, just wasn't as fun

[worldly rampart]

If the goal is to be able to look at someone a be able to gauge how strong there gear is then it would be nice feature in the game your basically saying each rarity should have a distinct 3d art

[lusty wren]

Ya ive been playing LoD for 20 years so its kinda just D2 to me HAHA

[lucid root]

i have like 5000 hours in classic o_o

[lusty wren]

I should do a classic run on D2R to see the differences

I only remember PVP in classic it was so long ago

[lucid root]

hammerdin, blizzard sorc, pike ww barb? cast speed glitching bone spirit necro, javazon

[lusty wren]

Ya pike barb is what I played speeder barb (In classic)

[lucid root]

i remember you could glitch out the aoe to make pike hit really far

[lusty wren]

I do recall javazon being alot of fun in classic also

[spice pawn]

Paladin hammerdin. give him class-specific armor that lets him teleport. give him auras that boost all his abilities, and give him the best block frames

[lucid root]

hammer and shield, give him a charge skill too

[spice pawn]

actually that might only work as a PvE boss on some other biome map type

[lusty wren]

Wait hammerdin could port in classic?

[lucid root]

no

[spice pawn]

nope. only expansion.... 1.10? I dont' remember when enigma runeword came into play

[lusty wren]

ya i misread the comment 😄

[lucid root]

just lag charging, which is kind of teleporting

did they ever release classic with the hd update? or is it still buggy

[lusty wren]

Ya you can make classic toons on D2R

[lucid root]

oh nice maybe i'll buy it

[lusty wren]

I know because I just created a zon classic char 😄

[spice pawn]

maybe dungeon diving 3-man PvPvE might also work with overhead ARPG formula

[lusty wren]

OH it would translate well I feel

[spice pawn]

it'd definitely spice up vanilla PvP in D2R, tell yuh that much

[lucid root]

kind of like Dark Alliance

baldurs gate ps2 coop game

thats what this game reminds me of, i just realized it

[spice pawn]

Dark Alliance?

[lucid root]

you start in the tavern and work your way down lol

i mean mechanically they're different, but the theme

[spice pawn]

there should be a big spike in PvPvE extraction looters after this. it usually happens whenever some new formula starts looking semi-successful in the gaming industry

my guess is probably 12-18 months from now

[lusty wren]

Ya I expect alot of clones to come out and end up like expedition agartha 😄

[lucid root]

hmmmm...in my experience the triple-a guys don't do medieval stuff very well

they'll make dark and darker with guns probably

buncha dummies

[spice pawn]

as long as there's 1-2 winners over the next 2 years, I'll be plenty entertained. >0 is a lot more options than I've had in the last 5 years or so

mentioned it a few times, but now I'm starting to loo kforward to teh possibility of a Fallout vault PvPvE extraction looter

[lusty wren]

I expect most to turn out like expedition agartha, with maybe 1 or 2 doing it right. DaD being the first

[lusty wren]

Theyd destroy it like they did 76

[lucid root]

don't ever speak of that game

[lusty wren]

76 never felt like a "fallout" game

[spice pawn]

it'd have to be Fallout-like, w/o hitting any outright IP violations. Like Metro 20XX games

[lucid root]

my brother gave fallout 76 so much benefit of the doubt, he wasted so many hours trying to find the good in that game

he never found it

[spice pawn]

I actually thoroughly enjoyed the Fallout 4 vanilla settlement management clean-up process. it's a good mini-game (the front part, at least)

[lucid root]

yeah i liked it at first, the novelty wears off

[lusty wren]

I thought the last good fallout was new vegas

[spice pawn]

just the scrapping / disassembly bit. that and OCD walling off every settlement into a fortress, then adding a spiral staircase that leads up to a floating fortress type hotel w/ sentry guns everywhere

[lusty wren]

(I played all of them starting at 1)

[lucid root]

i wish instead of super modular settlement building they would've just made like, one big settlement for each major faction, then when you side with that faction you help restore their base

[pure summit]

"[Make highroller circle times and portal spawn rates the same as normal dungeons.]"

• Honestly I don't like the idea that if I'm taking the additional risk of facing high-roller players with better gear, and harder PvE mobs, then it just sucks to die by not being able to find a portal. Kind of anti-climactic.

[spice pawn]

Yeah- New Vegas is still the spiritual successor of the franchise

[lucid root]

new vegas probably has more players than 76 lol

[lusty wren]

I think the times are fine, smaller map and all

cant find a portal? go down

[agile condor]

Yeah like 77

🙂

[minor pond]

https://i.gyazo.com/eafd367b3432a59c57778ee4aadd49fc.png closer to 6000 players

[spice pawn]

holy shite that's more than Chivalry 2 / Mordhau numbers right now lol

possibly if you add both of those games up

[minor pond]

yep lol, both combined only 5400

[lusty wren]

That is just steam numbers also

MANY MANY people playing new vegas are not doing it on steam

[lucid root]

jesus

aren't there some multiplayer servers out now for new vegas?

[spice pawn]

I think that's a sign. They need to bring back that OG-style of writing and meaningful quest branching back into the Fallout universe

[minor pond]

Forever missing Combat Arms, Used to be 100k+ concurrent now its barely 50

[lucid root]

unofficial servers

[lusty wren]

Combat arms was like the peak for hacker gameplay 😄

90% of each lobby were hackers

[minor pond]

It was fantastic 2010/2011 around 2012 yeah it was unplayable

But I was a Cabin Fever nerd so it didnt affect me too much

[lucid root]

fucking combat arms

the weird kids that didn't play cs

[minor pond]

Didnt even know cs existed when I played that :p, got my first pc on my 10th birthday and thats what my uncle played

so I joined in 😄

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
o_O

[minor pond]

He was #1 for p90SE kills for over 5 years it was NUTS

[lusty wren]

Ya, a bit baity eh 😄

[lusty wren]

Without cheating? 😄

[lucid root]

i remember not being able to play that game at all, just spawn and immediately get headshot

[minor pond]

Nah he absolutely despises them he wasnt good either averaged a 0.9 kda, just played for a long time

[lusty wren]

Ah i see

[minor pond]

Me on the other hand 😎 1.8kd sniper only GAMER

[lusty wren]

I remember the days they would recognize certain cheats and entire lobbies would get banned 😄 happened like once or twice a month

[minor pond]

I was beyond depressed when valofe bought it from nexon, I lost over 100 perms and extremely rare event stuff

Even my prized halloween sickel 😭

[minor pond]

They didnt even properly ban the cheaters, They just deranked them and gave a 2 week break from the game lmfao

[lusty wren]

Ya probably why they had to do it so often LOL

[minor pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpH72thz2ZU Found some SUPER OLD gameplay of mine. I forgot how damn janky it was 🤣

noscope god 😎

[lusty wren]

LOL

I hated that map

[minor pond]

you can see me complaining about the map in chat lol, I think we all hated death room

Snow valley was the best IMO

[lucid root]

guys i need this game right now, my dopamine levels were almost reset to baseline then the game just overstimulated me back into depression

[sacred hill]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @shadow scaffold

What about a jetpack

[shadow scaffold]

hm i personalee don't like it as it breaks my immersion

but ropes and ladders for ranger i think is great

👍

[minor pond]

A grappling hook/rope would be so damn cool for the ranger, I can imagine it would be over powered as hell... Fun tho

[lucid root]

scorpion from mortal kombat?

[spice pawn]

that feels more like a Rogue thing than anything (along the lines of burglary, so more pick-pocket adjacent)

unless you mean Ranger who also doubles as a climber (outdoorsy theme)

[lucid root]

i'd like it more as a climbing thing

[minor pond]

I'd implement it as a "safespace" from the ai, Throw the hook up and climb half-way, Unable to perform any actions while on the rope. Gives your team a chance to save you etc

idrk tho

[lucid root]

but you climb really slow o-o

[pine tide]

start the next playtest now

[spice pawn]

if they add climbing mechanics (and integrate it into combat w/o being too janky), it'd be awesome to see grappling hooks, or even rope ladders

[pine tide]

and make black characters

please

[pine tide]

go play fortnite my friend

[spice pawn]

You go play fortnite

[pine tide]

hey hey chill bro

youll get us banned

[lucid root]

why do you hate rogues koko

[smoky yoke]

some places of the maps are already a bit vertical by doing some jumps
theres some nice places to do parkour actually

also in one of the maps showed in the trailer on steam there was some sort of platforming which was cool

[rose sandal]

I suggest you reread #📜rules because
#11
Do not discuss moderation in public. Moderation decisions are final and are not to be discussed in the community channels. If you take issue with the way a moderator has handled a situation, please DM @granite plinth or @dawn grotto regarding your concern.

[lucid root]

i would be the worst mod

[spice pawn]

I think koko was memeing (more of jester-style post) by playing at being the object that he's commenting on Additional context: his submitted suggestions are actually just plain vanilla ban material

[smoky yoke]

also a suggestion that's very troll
talking about arian race...
it should be deleted

edit: now he edited the suggestion to avoid the ban

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[spice pawn]

Oh. never mind. Yeah he's just ban-material

[smoky yoke]

yea

not sure why it's still up

[rose sandal]

Chill chill, let’s be positive

[lucid root]

puff puff pass

[sacred hill]

just ban the trolls already

[rose sandal]

Take a 5 minute breather and let’s come back with a better attitude and not call others names/insults

[minor pond]

The life of a DnD mod - Nicely asks one person to chill out - 15 more people come out of thin air being even more toxic than the person who got the warning - Nicely asks all 16 people to change the subject - 50 more people appear and escalate ten-fold - DnD mod hides in a corner crying from being overwhelmed

[pine tide]

The life of a @minor pond - wakes up - fat - poor

[rotund sundial]

Literally this

[minor pond]

Underweight but essentially yes

[lucid root]

malnourished?

all you fat poors out there, i just want to say we're in this together

[rotund sundial]

@minor pond is probably a reddit mod 🤣

[sacred hill]

what colour is your lambo?

[rose sandal]

[minor pond]

sRGB, changes to blend with the environment

[lucid root]

what flavor is your jerry's pizza?

wait pizza doesn't come in flavors

shit aint ice cream

[rose sandal]

Yes they do!

BBQ pizza and marinara pizza.

[lucid root]

ohhh shit i love bbq pizza

[pine tide]

thats toppings ?

i think

[rose sandal]

No sir

[lucid root]

because the dough, cheese and sauce is like the core, if you change the core you change the flavah

that was fast

[rose sandal]

What about if they change all of those

[sacred hill]

@odd reef likes it with pineapple

[lucid root]

the great divider of communities

pineapple or no?!

[rotund sundial]

There is no such thing

[pine tide]

it fortnite would add it that's a troll suggestion

[rose sandal]

Sure why not

[minor pond]

Demote this guy right now

[sacred hill]

logic

[vivid rover]

a suggestion is just that. deleting them is dumb, you already see how useful they are by peoples feedback. mods just power tripping

[lucid root]

what is love?

[sacred hill]

what is the meaning of life?

[pine tide]

factos

[lucid root]

baby don't hurt me

[white cliff]

The mods aren’t the ones asking for the removal of the troll suggestions.

[vivid rover]

a vocal minority asking for censorship of suggestions they dont like is not justification for deleting them either

[lucid root]

yeah the timeout wasn't long enough

[vivid rover]

discuss them and vote on them

[sacred hill]

why is this guy not banned

[pine tide]

wym

[white cliff]

Troll suggestions are something that doesn’t belong in the game is meant as a bait and not a serious suggestion.

Look at anything with -70.

[vivid rover]

yeah i surely deserve a ban for disagreeing with you @sacred hill

[pine tide]

Hercules beetle

[strange sable]

They stink up the suggestion channel

[lucid root]

if you get heavily downvoted you are banned from suggestions for 1 day

[white cliff]

Things that have been suggested today, Robots, adding animals to pet so it’s appealing to women, Another Voip suggestion, adding cars, 5-10 second mind control, roller skates, more generic class suggestions, color blind mode, wizard can summon an escape portal, and a system that incentivizes people to kill noobs.

[strange sable]

Probably a ranger main 🙄

[vivid rover]

this isnt reddit

[sacred hill]

what do you think about adding a helicopter

[lucid root]

i know...its worse 🥲

[vivid rover]

some good ideas in there that warrant discussing, suggestions channel being used as intended id say

a car could be a horse car, or carriage

that would add some flavor

[sacred hill]

im trolling man

[white cliff]

They’re troll suggestions, from people who are constantly in here not discussing said suggestions.

[vivid rover]

appealing to women is a good idea, pets are fun

another way to monetize with skins too

[white cliff]

Here I’ll link you the original suggestion.

[vivid rover]

voip is great

mind control sounds like a fun spell

i really dont get what you find so trolly about any of these

you just cant handle open discourse

[boreal flint]

Thoughts on spylence for rogue?

To see through walls

[lucid root]

there are no girls on the internet

lmfao

[vivid rover]

and they act the part

so you can appeal to a demographic there

thats likely to spend big

[lucid root]

if you're a trans woman wouldn't you just want to play a female character

[vivid rover]

yes, and youd also want to take a cute pet into the dungeon

bought at the store for cash

good way to monetize without p2w

many games have those

[sacred hill]

trans?

[vivid rover]

that too

but i was talking about pets

[lucid root]

unobtrusive cosmetics would be fine

[sacred hill]

they should chill out with the skin stats

[smoky yoke]

that was only experimental

[white cliff]

I can’t find the original suggestion but it said “You need to take a car from the dungeon to the shop and back again”.

[sacred hill]

korean companys are usually heave p2w

[white cliff]

The thing is though they’re not legit suggestions, they’re not being discussed.

[smoky yoke]

the skins with the stats were only a test
and a hint for future races

but i like to be also a skeleton rogue just as skin
not being a skeleton as race only with other abilities

[scenic storm]

Find Jesus, go to the gym, and rebuild your family much love all🥳💪🏼❤️

[smoky yoke]

its better to be only cosmetic
then a dedicated class for the skeleton i guess

[minor pond]

Watch the interview pestily did with the lead dev, pw2 isnt gonna happen to this game

[white cliff]

I’ve never seen your name before so I’m not sure if you’ve ever been in this channel @vivid rover but the troll suggestions are obvious because they’re never discussed by the trolls, and their chats are just in here provoking people.

You see the cleric symbol?

It looks like a mace.

[scenic storm]

🤣

[vivid rover]

then let the votes speak for themselves. any censorship in a suggestions channel is bad and will only lead to people calling on bans for ideas they disagree with

[smoky yoke]

also in their official website they talked about how greedy are companies nowadays and that they dont wanna follow that business model but instead doing a game with passion without the unnecessary greedy practices

[lucid root]

koko you're a rogue aren't you

[vivid rover]

if there are a few troll suggestions fine, downvote them

better than deleting legitimate ones

[white cliff]

I’m not asking for bans on people I disagree with, suspense posts all the time and is downvoted.

[agile condor]

Yeah like "Add a keybind to toggle PvP on/off so we can enjoy PvE content without being unfairly ganked." lmao

[white cliff]

There are several troll suggestions each day.

[lucid root]

pvp flagging o_O

[white cliff]

“Pvp is non consensual I need a toggle”

[vivid rover]

that one sounds like a real suggestion to me tbh

[agile condor]

That's darker's suggestion

[vivid rover]

some people prefer pve

[white cliff]

Is that just Hymr v2?

[lucid root]

some people like to play hello kitty island adventure

[vivid rover]

and ive heard people asking for pve servers

[white cliff]

Member since Dec27th.

Interesting.

[steady cloud]

Hi guys

Good morning

[white cliff]

Literally every troll is in the chat today Lmao.

[opaque slate]

ong

[sacred hill]

biggest troll entered the chat

[steady cloud]

Dude ignore him hes been bullying me all week

Im calling mods on him

[sacred hill]

lol this trolls are outplaying us xD

[brisk zealot]

what is the meaning/point of the thinking emoji for suggestions? I can't tell if its supposed to be satirical

[opaque slate]

i use it for "it could use some rethinking"/"more ideas"

[white cliff]

I just blocked them all, not humoring this today lol.

[smoky yoke]

its possible to make a different client separated from dedicated servers
just with p2p connections based and doing another game mode
people being weirdly mad for pve its just weird
Extra modes, more content way better

[sacred hill]

half cant think

[brisk zealot]

bruh just think of whether you agree/disagree before you choose an emote wtf xd

[white cliff]

The emote is a way to vote.

Upvote, downvote, or unsure.

[frosty creek]

why u dont like mind control ?

[vivid rover]

the pve is dope man, very challenging

id play the maps and bosses pve as well

[sacred hill]

how would u even play this game as pve? you can easily clear the dungeons with 3 people, makes no sense

[frosty creek]

ok

[steady cloud]

Yeah

[white cliff]

A 5-10 second hard cc ability?

[steady cloud]

Hes toxic troll bully

[frosty creek]

what ? the cleric is cc'd also
he is controling the enemy

[vivid rover]

its not easy at all lol, you must not have seen the red portal zone

[steady cloud]

He keep pinged me and insult

[smoky yoke]

they could design in a certain way maps and disposition of enemies to have more sense in pve only yea

[frosty creek]

and why 5-10 s ? i said its 3-5 s

[white cliff]

The last suggestion was 5-10.

So cleric bind is currently 0.75.

[steady cloud]

What suggestion ?

[white cliff]

You’re asking for a 3-5 second hard cc ability?

[smoky yoke]

i can also clear the dungeons as solo 🤔

its not about difficulty

[steady cloud]

Yeah like ashe ulti from Lol

[vivid rover]

i mean yeah the AI needs some buffs for pve servers probably

[steady cloud]

Whats wrong with that ?

[vivid rover]

patch out exploits

with pallisade

can make pve a bit like dark souls maybe

[frosty creek]

i said its have long cast time , short range ( like judgement ) and the cleric is also cc while channeling it ?

u dont read what im write u just downvote and flame me

[steady cloud]

Hes pve player i think

[smoky yoke]

latest info they said they wanna rework the AI in general to make it more challenging and avoid people cheesing at the top of some objects to avoid damage

[steady cloud]

He dont play pvp

[vivid rover]

nice i like strong ai very fun

[white cliff]

Just picture being taken out of a fight for five second, it’s not both players are cc’d if you get to control and enemy into his own team.

[lucid root]

any non pvp wizards? just stack invis potions while you're not moving and then only move while invis'd

[white cliff]

It’s not something that sounds health for gameplay at all when debuffs are measured in .0 of a second.

[steady cloud]

Dont play solo ?

[vivid rover]

in a team fight mind control like that would be a big risk for the cleric too since his own body wouldnt move while hes controlling it

its high risk

[steady cloud]

Yes

[vivid rover]

very interesting spell

[white cliff]

4 blocked messages.

[steady cloud]

This is strategy spell

I like it

[white cliff]

Should have done this a while ago.

So nice.

[green dust]

++++

[frosty creek]

it sounds ok ? it is short range and long cast time so cleric can only use it in ambush (if he is hiding in dark corner and cast it )

[white cliff]

Preventing someone from playing the game for a long period of time is unhealthy design, they already removed the lock pick mini game on the bear trap right, and cleric cc is 0.75.

[vivid rover]

hm mind control should work longer on mobs imo, maybe 3x duration? playing wraith for 15s would be interesting

[white cliff]

3-5 seconds is a crazy long time.

[steady cloud]

Its zombie it dont have mind so how u can controlled it ? I dont like this suggestion

[vivid rover]

thats why it lasts longer

no mind = easier to control

nice lore

[steady cloud]

But it dont have mind ?

[vivid rover]

exactly

so easy to control it

[steady cloud]

Maybe make the name Soul Controlled

I think its good

[white cliff]

8 blocked messages, new record.

[vivid rover]

how much should it cost?

[white cliff]

How many points do I score?

[vivid rover]

dont make it expensive im poor

[steady cloud]

I think 1$ per use

[vivid rover]

i wanna try it

[mystic skiff]

@steady cloud all of your suggestions are game breaking stupid suggestions
that would make the game un fun and pay to win, just thought I would say that

[sacred hill]

they are having an intellectual conversation

[frosty creek]

i dont like mind control for pve its should be pvp spell and very expensive ( like resurect , it should cost a lot ...)

[steady cloud]

What ?

[lucid root]

pay $100 to extract

[white cliff]

Something about buying abilities?

Something about spending money I assume?

[sacred hill]

yea, 1$ per use

[vivid rover]

but then you have a useless spell if you toggle pvp off. it needs some pve utility too

[white cliff]

And the two others are agreeing with him!

[mystic skiff]

you shouldnt have to buy abilities wtf

[steady cloud]

They are not its to help the devs and myself we both win

[vivid rover]

should balance around both modes pvp and pve

[white cliff]

Just block him.

[frosty creek]

well cleric have a lot of pve spell so it should have pvp focus spell

[mystic skiff]

dude the devs will make money when the game comes out

[white cliff]

I mean cleric has a ton of pvp spells but they’re buffs.

[vivid rover]

then what if you are in pve and all your other spells are used up? only this left and its useless?

[white cliff]

Not a big fan of judgment.

[steady cloud]

How its free game

[vivid rover]

cant mind control yourself

[mystic skiff]

the davs could also start a patreon or go fund me

[mystic skiff]

for now

[steady cloud]

I agree they just make stress and lag on the sever

[mystic skiff]

its gunna cost money when it is fully released

[white cliff]

I think they said below $60.

[steady cloud]

Or add cool cosmetic and passives and dragon class ?

[white cliff]

$30-45.

[mystic skiff]

no

[vivid rover]

it will release for 0$ with lots of ingame transactions

[steady cloud]

Why not ?

[mystic skiff]

They should make the game 100000000 dollars and every extraction costs 1 billion dollars

tbh

[steady cloud]

Yes i like it

[frosty creek]

troll XD

[vivid rover]

maybe half dragon? human with wings and scales that can fly and breathe fire as skills

would be fun

[boreal flint]

ban for trolling pls

[steady cloud]

No only 10$ to spawn blue portal on urself

[white cliff]

I’m fully for supporting devs, absolutely will be making a pattern donation. But buying items, subscriptions, and abilities with real like currency is how you kill a game.

[brisk oxide]

I honestly thought those two were actually just low IQ and/or had no understanding of design of systems... Then he suggested you can pay $1 for a spell use, and I can probably just block them as they are clearly both actual trolls, no?

[frosty creek]

i think dragoon ? same final fantasy

[mystic skiff]

facts

[late geode]

smartest bajs trolling

[white cliff]

Yes.

[frosty creek]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/dragoon/

like this

[vivid rover]

no? wow has had subscriptions and paying for levels in its store

and the game is 20 years old

and very successful

learn some gaming history

[white cliff]

At least Beanz is willing to discuss his suggestions.

[shadow scaffold]

Lol, look at games like raid dhadow legends, they so really well because ppl pay, that's objectively wrong, look at WoW

[mystic skiff]

I like how @boreal flint and @steady cloud are making all these statements but they get 95% downvoted on suggestions tab lmao

[white cliff]

Look at Wows numbers, that’s a horrible example.

[shadow scaffold]

It's time you young bucks realized old ppl with families don't care to spend 12 hrs a day playing

[white cliff]

And raid isn’t a game it’s a whale farming simulator.

It’s not a fun game.

[vivid rover]

its much better to spend 10$ than grind 100h

[brisk oxide]

Ini literally stated Arian as a race. Dude.

[vivid rover]

not everyone is a kid with worthless time

[steady cloud]

Im trying to help the devs if they like my suggestion they will added it without asking u so dont be jelos ok ?

[shadow scaffold]

When they can pay for it and have fun over the weekend 🥂

[brisk oxide]

Yikes

[mystic skiff]

no one likes your suggestions accept for maybe 2 people

lmao

[steady cloud]

Maybe they are 2 devs ?

[mystic skiff]

lmao

right...

[steady cloud]

?

[vivid rover]

they are graysun and lucy im sure

they know how to monetize since theyre korean

[boreal flint]

some people are actually trying to help the devs here

[vivid rover]

so im sure desolate view of the game will become real

[white cliff]

<@&988703997378584596> Anybody on that I can dm?

[sullen gazelle]

dam wtf 4 downvotes instantly kekw

[steady cloud]

Im just trying to help…

Why u guys all toxic ?

[sullen gazelle]

I guess ppl here never played maplestory sadge

[white cliff]

You mind explaining a bit more?

[vivid rover]

maplestory was fun but

[mystic skiff]

I played the game every day of the playtest, if I paid for everything you are saying I would be paying 10 grand for this game

[vivid rover]

different genre man

[boreal flint]

stop pinging devs, they have enough work to do

show some respect

stop trolling

[lucid root]

feels like 90% of the people here are trolls right now and its very chaotic

[steady cloud]

No ? Max would be 500$

[white cliff]

I mean at least get the guy who said aryan race banned.

[mystic skiff]

fr

[boreal flint]

i saw some very good suggestions today tbh

[gentle blade]

Sure, please do not ping everyone 😄

[vivid rover]

very rude behavior by people in a suggestions channel

[frosty creek]

@brisk zealot i like it 👍

[vivid rover]

anyone who disagrees with me is a troll ~ jkidd

[mystic skiff]

who is trolling, if someone has a adverse oppinion they are trolls?

[lucid root]

oh god it continues

[shadow scaffold]

Stop talking about race maybe?

Wardens please

[mystic skiff]

I dont think anyone is trolling here

tbh

[lucid root]

lets just put this channel on mute for like an hour lol

[mystic skiff]

people are just expressing there opinoins

[vivid rover]

you can mute yourself for 1 hour @lucid root

we got a game to discuss

with the adults here

[steady cloud]

Im just suggesting what i enjoyed in other games maybe devs will like it also…

[mystic skiff]

The game is never ever going to be the way you guys are saying lol

thats just how it is

[vivid rover]

it will be, its korean

you dont know korean gaming

[frosty creek]

guys pls .. every one can have own opinion , its ok
dont angry with each other just vote and move ok ?

[vivid rover]

ive played them all

[mystic skiff]

you like paying 600$ per game?

[steady cloud]

They might take some suggestions u dont know

[steady cloud]

Yeah u know epic 7?

[mystic skiff]

man plays genshin I bet

[smoky yoke]

no it's still there, and also his suggestion it's still up somehow

[steady cloud]

I payed maybe 10k on that game

[mystic skiff]

additcted to gamba

[steady cloud]

Maybe more

[vivid rover]

paying money for a game is the same as paying time for it, in both cases you are grinding. money does not come for free

[steady cloud]

Finally soneone understand

[mystic skiff]

all im saying is that this is a community based game. The whole reason they are doing the play test is to get community feedback, and if all your suggestions have a 95%-96% downvote they would never add it. I bet they wont even add most of the suggestions with 90% upvote

[steady cloud]

Ok guys epic 7 daily will resetted soon i have to go

[steady cloud]

I am trying atleast…

[mystic skiff]

I understand

[steady cloud]

If u dont like make downvote and move on

[mystic skiff]

I already did like everyone else

[steady cloud]

Dont need to be toxic

Thx bro

[mystic skiff]

same goes for you, understand no one likes your suggestino and move on

[steady cloud]

I hope others can be like u

[sacred hill]

maybe they use reverse psychology

[shadow scaffold]

U are absolutely right I think suggestions are best and the ppp behind them are rly smart

[mystic skiff]

lmao

[shadow scaffold]

Let community hear and be heard

[steady cloud]

I have freedom of speech in my country

Idk about u

[mystic skiff]

who asked

[vivid rover]

ah, a fellow american

[white cliff]

@frosty creek Having a spell to increase interact speed would be awesome.

[vivid rover]

hell yeah

[steady cloud]

But i can express myself anyway i want

[white cliff]

Especially on wizard.

[mystic skiff]

so can I?

and your telling me to stop

pretty ironic

[frosty creek]

i think perk better
cuz mage already have good perk
so its not free choice

[steady cloud]

No ur insulting my suggestions

[mystic skiff]

2 braincell chatters in here

[frosty creek]

wtf

[steady cloud]

Thats assault

[mystic skiff]

"I can express myself however I want"

[steady cloud]

No ur insulting me

[sacred hill]

you are insulting yourself with those sugestions

[boreal flint]

i cant see any suggestion about aryan race

[white cliff]

I believe they have the slowest interact speed. So having a spell that gives a temporary bonus would be awesome.

[lusty wren]

Its kinda one of the very few drawbacks wiz has. Id like to keep it tbh

[mystic skiff]

LMAOOOO

[boreal flint]

wtf are are people trolling about

[lucid root]

Proxy i think i'm going on a mute frenzy again, you're safe this time

[boreal flint]

people who says there is some suggestion about aryan race wtf ure trolling about racist scummers

[lusty wren]

Thank goodness I made the cut 😉

[steady cloud]

<@&988703997378584596> please do something about him hes so toxic…

[boreal flint]

<@&988703997378584596> please check these pplout

[mystic skiff]

He is not doing anything

stop pinging admins

[white cliff]

Good thing I have it screen shotted.

[fervent crag]

Gotta love this chat, just reading these messages is entertaining.

[sacred hill]

im chilling

[lucid root]

ahh there we go, chats kind of normal now

[boreal flint]

What REALLY?

[lucid root]

now that half of its gone

[boreal flint]

i cant see

[vivid rover]

man you children keep running to the wardens.... grow up

[white cliff]

Bonus points for chained blocked messages.

[boreal flint]

show?

[white cliff]

My record is 8.

[mystic skiff]

you guys contradict everything you say, "dont ping admins" proceeds to ping admins, "let me express myself how I want" then dosnt like it when others express themselves

[steady cloud]

Ur assaulting my work with downvotes…

[white cliff]

When you said nobody was trolling with their suggestions. Are you willing to walk that statement back now?

[steady cloud]

U should be banned for 1 day

[lucid root]

the mods are dying at this point, please donate to save the mods

[mystic skiff]

your assulting my mind with braindead suggestions

[lusty wren]

2 trolls go head to head in this epic clash

😄

[steady cloud]

<@&988703997378584596> please stop him he keeps insulting me

[mystic skiff]

this guy has to be sped

[steady cloud]

Ok move on then ? Why u read it ?

[agile condor]

Suggestion: Ban the trolls from posting suggestions and new discord accounts cant post suggestions until they're on the server for the newbie grace period

[mystic skiff]

you move on too

[white cliff]

Works for me.

[lusty wren]

NO YOU!

[steady cloud]

From what ?

[mystic skiff]

Yes please.

[steady cloud]

U move on

[sacred hill]

agree

[lusty wren]

Hot take: Lets stop making suggestions to take wiz's few weaknesses away ala interaction speed etc

[white cliff]

Just block them.

[brisk zealot]

why its balanced though, because it takes a perk slot

[steady cloud]

I hope mods time u trolls out @sacred hill @mystic skiff

[boreal flint]

https://discord.com/channels/@me/1061385693902946304/1061386049806417940

[brisk zealot]

there literally are perks that reduce casting speed (which is a weakness of the wiz)

[white cliff]

Fair point actually.

[lusty wren]

The interaction speed is part of the balance of wiz.

Its one of its VERY few weaknesses

[mystic skiff]

Isnt wiz OP?

[sacred hill]

stop trolling me, leave me alone

[shadow scaffold]

Wardens already work so much cleaning upp all yalls crap,
U should stop pinging and crying - atleast ironmace hired the right ppl ❤️

[lusty wren]

It needs some weakness

[mystic skiff]

yes.

[brisk zealot]

right but one thing I notice alot on these suggestions is it doesn't seem like people are thinking about the fact that perks are a resource too

[white cliff]

One blocked messaged.

[brisk zealot]

spending 1/4 perk slots to negate a weakness

is a big deal

[mystic skiff]

These people say there adults then cry

[steady cloud]

Not my fault trolls keep making alts !

[shadow scaffold]

Don't reply to me racist 🙂

[vivid rover]

hired you say. how much pray tell do those hired hands earn for their great services rendered?

[sacred hill]

is suspense your alt?

[brisk zealot]

as in, its balanced because u can only have 4 perks and spending 1 valuable resource to buff your character to "average" is not bad design

[lusty wren]

So progressive of you 😄

[white cliff]

Ignorant much?

[shadow scaffold]

Ok blocked

[split moss]

@steady cloud my only question to you is why do you keep on suggesting pay 2 win features. Nobody I mean nobody want that shit

[mystic skiff]

Bro this chat is something else

[steady cloud]

I want it ?

[vivid rover]

i want it. im a working adult and have little time to game but have money

[mystic skiff]

1 out of 100000 people

[vivid rover]

balances it out vs kids who grind 10h a day

[lusty wren]

Taking away a very strong classes very few weaknesses is never smart design

[steady cloud]

So what ? I want it and its my suggestion ?

[brisk oxide]

Nothing will kill a game like this faster than pay-to-win features.

[mystic skiff]

L

[white cliff]

When people don’t understand game design.

[vivid rover]

you lack skills IRL if you have 10h a day to play videogames, get a job

[mystic skiff]

Jkidd do you agree or disagree with p2w

[steady cloud]

No i work all day and dont have time to grind like a kid

[white cliff]

Disagree several times over, as seen by my downvotes.

[sacred hill]

i have a company, im retired

[lucid root]

why are you guys discriminating against rich people?

[split moss]

you dont have to play 10 hours a day when a wipe is probably going to be half a year plus

[white cliff]

Or hear me out they have a ton of free time because of money.

[brisk oxide]

The point of the game was that it's supposed to be difficult, though.

[split moss]

plenty of time to game

[white cliff]

And want to play a fun game.

Or want to relax after a hard day.

[brisk zealot]

this is the whole point of perks, to enhance your character to be stronger. a lot of the current perks by design, remove parts of weaknesses which ends up making wizard a strong class

[mystic skiff]

get a better job

[lusty wren]

Negative perks are not designed to take away your only weaknesses.

[white cliff]

Retail problems.

[steady cloud]

? I get payed so much i told u i spent 10k on epic 7 and i dont even care

Lol im not kid like i

[fervent crag]

Sure you did. Prove it for us kiddo

[white cliff]

Can y’all just block the trolls?

[split moss]

@steady cloud just play another game then this if u wanna spend money. quite simple dont ruin it for others that dont wanna waste their entire paycheck

[brisk zealot]

could just consider it a spell instead of a perk, and the principle is still there

[white cliff]

That’s like the fifth warden ping.

[brisk zealot]

it doesn't make the idea bad design

[blazing vapor]

I suggest everyone arguing here take a moment to cool down. If you can't debate without moving on to insulting others then you shouldn't be debating at all.

[mystic skiff]

Everyone who wanted to spend money just play eve online

[white cliff]

Friendly fire activated.

[shadow scaffold]

Wardens should block anyone who pings them first of all

You people have no respect for people's work

[brisk zealot]

because its costing you something (a perk slot or a spell slot with limited cast) to gain an enhancement

[mystic skiff]

Pinging wardens is kinda weird

[brisk zealot]

and its not non-cannon, because wizards could do something like that

but clerics cant

[steady cloud]

He wont stop insulting me @sacred hill

[white cliff]

Sorry if the wardens ban the wrong people but I’m out, I’m not getting caught in that cross fire lmao.