suggestion-discussion

[visual goblet]

that is a valid comment, thank you/ i agree

[wintry forge]

Many of my suggestions are closer to 50/50, and there aren't many suggestions from anyone that get approval from this community.

[visual goblet]

as always, people love to bring people down rather than having a real conversation

[lusty wren]

Wrong we just looked at a 100% upvote comment with like 60 upvotes... Good suggestions get upvotes

[white cliff]

Yeah for sure.

[visual goblet]

to return to real talks; Slate maybe the K/D/A could be better but clerics would be at a little disadvantage

Jkidd please stop directing your messages to me
They arent welcomed or bring anything to the conversation.....

[glacial bridge]

i think we all just get jaded repeating convos about solo queues and sbmm etc when we are hoping for something new

[white cliff]

Showing your hypocrisy doesn’t add much to the conversation. Though it’s pretty funny.

[glacial bridge]

theres also a lot of "I main <class> so they should buff <class> and nerf everyone else."

[visual goblet]

maybe HR is SBMM but not the normal queue?

[visual goblet]

get a life im blocking you youre toxic

[brittle patrol]

I like to think people are semi self aware of what about the class they play is a bit overtuned and undertuned

[wintry forge]

One suggestion isn't proof of anything.

[glacial bridge]

we have an extensively large data set with Suspenses suggestions.

[lusty wren]

Good suggestions get upvotes. There are lots of examples of this in the channel. But pointless convo.

[brittle patrol]

@wintry forge you have many sugs with huge positive votes and some with huge negative I think you suggesting anything is great for the community

[glacial bridge]

but SOME of his do actually get upvotes which directly proves Proxy's point

[visual goblet]

maybe HR is SBMM but not the normal queue?

What do you guys think about this?
(JKID dont answer, dont talk to me thanks)

[lusty wren]

exactly

[brittle patrol]

i dont like sbmm unless it is some sort of super ranked ladder mode personally

[visual goblet]

what would be a <<super ranked ladder mode>> ?

[lusty wren]

I reject all forms of MMR for DaD tbh. But ill let yall converse about it without putting a damper on it 😄

[warped stone]

Cause survival rate indicates how ratty you are not how good

[visual goblet]

thank you

[brittle patrol]

something they have not come out with yet

[wintry forge]

Watch what you say. Any disrespect and I'll report you.

[lucid root]

He does wield power...

[glacial bridge]

do it lmao. your suggestions as a whole are awful and I would rather miss out on the gems than look at all the bullshit

[visual goblet]

slate why type here just to be unconstructive

[glacial bridge]

just go to the suggestion channel and search by his username

[visual goblet]

id rather not

[glacial bridge]

there are hundreds of trolly intentionally bad suggestions

and he wants to feign ignorance

[white cliff]

Because we’re here all the time discussing suggestions. And it’s tedious to discuss redundant or bad suggestions over and over.

[lusty wren]

@lucid root I think your idea is great, though id like to see it reset after you die. So you can kinda see peoples streaks on their model

[visual goblet]

dude slate making suggestions is what this channel is about... go to general if u wanna hate on specific people and their brain faculties or whatever gets u hard in your solitary life

[lucid root]

Yeah I was thinking that too, your dude cleans up after death

[glacial bridge]

lol

[lusty wren]

I think that would make the suggestion MUCH better even though it is good as is

[glacial bridge]

then make a suggestion

[visual goblet]

jesus hell can you ban slate already

thats my suggestion

ban his IP from the game, too

[glacial bridge]

ill downvote your suggestion. checkmate

[white cliff]

Oh so this guy is just straight up trolling now lol.

What a surprise.

[visual goblet]

thank you for actually doing something thats not hateful/useless

[glacial bridge]

remember 30 seconds ago when bluefire liked me and disliked Jkidd. i miss those times

[visual goblet]

JKID and Slate should be banned, they just insult whoever is suggesting anything

[lucid root]

I miss the old slate 😭

[white cliff]

You cast the first stone.

[glacial bridge]

blue, i dont have any problems with you. i just dont like Suspense LOOOOOL

[visual goblet]

ok so my suggestion was: SBMM for HR only ( no SBMM in normal queue) : thoughts?

im not 100% for it i just wanted to make a GODDAMN suggestion TOO

like im just wondering x(

[woeful helm]

[visual goblet]

getting all this hate

[lucid root]

I am curious how many suggestions suspense has total though

[brittle patrol]

i think this is like the soloq question, everyone has a pretty hard stance for or against it

[white cliff]

I think you’re getting hate for calling everyone “fucking stupid”.

And then proceeding to troll.

But that could just be me?

[visual goblet]

SUGGESTIONS THIS IS A SUGGESTIONS CHANNEL

[woeful helm]

If you can't have discussion without being rude to one another, you won't have the ability to have discussion.

Only warning

[warped stone]

Mmr in a game like this is awful imo. It’s enticing not knowing what ur up against. If you want proper teammates you need to look for them yourself. Wrong respond lol

[visual goblet]

please drop the hammer if you feel it would help, even if its on me

[lusty wren]

Agreed, Also no greater feeling then punching up! Killing someone super high on the boards feels good

[visual goblet]

yeah i kinda agree, but i had issues finding a team on LFG, maybe on the next playtest its easier

also im playing at hours like 5am and stuff

[brittle patrol]

I found most teams through just randoms inviting me and id say like 70% of the time it was a good time

[warped stone]

Zero to hero high roller 1v3s baby

[serene snow]

are hunters going to be able to feign death?

[lusty wren]

I sure hope not

[brittle patrol]

I mean would you rather have 3 shots, a self heal or to fall over while still being able to be attacked ?

[visual goblet]

i actually didnt really like being in a team that had a <<zero to hero HR>> mentality, most of the time they would die very quick in a real teamfight with geared people... A fighter with no defense gets headshot 1-2 times by a geared ranger and he -will- die

[glacial bridge]

zero to hero runs are fun though

[lusty wren]

I just feel they dont need ANY more utility, they already have the strongest CC in the game, and the strongest self sustain in the game, AND some of the highest single target dmg in the game

[visual goblet]

yes for <<normal>> runs

[pulsar sierra]

Feign death would only really be useful to drop pve agro, the PvP meta would be “always double tap rangers” within a day of that skill being added 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lucid root]

I'd use feign death just to lay down on something at a high elevation so nobody can see my body

[visual goblet]

but tbh, when youre geared seeing grey wearing noobs is just annoying, even opening their inventory just feels tiresome

[brittle patrol]

I agree, my point was how would they add feign death. As a useable "q" or "e" and youre not replacing self heal/3shots for a useless skill

[visual goblet]

i would not use <,feign death>> ever... Solo maybe but i dont really solo queue
even the triple heal was kinda Bad since u can have heals in your inventory...

[brittle patrol]

They could add it but it would not be used, other than content meme things

[visual goblet]

they could add it i wouldnt mind 😛 kinda funny

[glacial bridge]

i could see running Feign Death + Multishot

but it would mostly be a meme

[visual goblet]

yeah totally lol

[lucid root]

Feign death in a pool of water

[visual goblet]

imagine the team hunting and they just see your corpse and they can actually loot it XD

[brittle patrol]

I could see it being used in a dark corrner to make yourslef less noticeable

[serene snow]

what if they feign death at 100% health with lots of gear. you might think you've killed them, but they just tank it

[pulsar sierra]

Might as well just add a “lay down” emote though

[visual goblet]

i do think the time of the devs should be spent on things that arent memey tho

[brittle patrol]

100% agree

[pulsar sierra]

Well it would have to be cancelled by damage, so you would find out anyway

[brittle patrol]

but I feel like they feel that way if not much stronger lol

[lucid root]

Bard is memey but also supa op

[pulsar sierra]

I mean good luck playing dead when you get whacked by a felling axe to the balls lol

[visual goblet]

we dont know what the bard will be

[lucid root]

Yeh true

[brittle patrol]

I'm more excited for a paladian/druid than bard tbh

[warped stone]

Some form of charge would be op I guess for the fighter?

[glacial bridge]

I would rather see all the classes get more options of things to do rather than increases in power. it doesnt need to be priority but 100% rangers should have utility type perks and skill choices even if they arent expected to be meta slots

[lusty wren]

I hope bard is a mix of buffer and debuffer

[visual goblet]

druid im sure will be very fun jsut becasue of the transformations 😄

[warped stone]

I’m guessing bard will have buffs and debuffs, exactly

[visual goblet]

me 2

[lusty wren]

They mentioned EQ, I want a EQ bard!

😄

[serene snow]

hunters can disconnect their nervous system

[visual goblet]

what is EQ

equalizer?

[glacial bridge]

Everquest

[visual goblet]

lemme google that RQ

[glacial bridge]

devs played Ultima Online, Everquest, World of Warcraft. they got that mmo background

[pulsar sierra]

That’s not really “feigning” at that point though is it lol
Just give rangers a skill called “die” 😂

[warped stone]

I hope bard doesn’t have ranged, we don’t need another ranged I feel

[lusty wren]

Everquest

[visual goblet]

i actually play a lot of instruments IRL if theres some sort of skill transfer i would love it XD

singing in tune in a microphone XD

[lusty wren]

Agreed, I think ranged needs to be sparse tbh

[glacial bridge]

im just hoping for a bard who uses a rapier, Horn of Thunder, Song of Courage, Song of Pacifism, and doot doots his way

[visual goblet]

they probly will be able to wear Xbows but not Bows

[wintry forge]

Thanks. It's nice to know not everyone hates me in this community.

[serene snow]

feign die

[visual goblet]

suspense ❤️ its hard with all the haters but keep doing what youre doing

[pulsar sierra]

See now that’s just half assing it 😂

[visual goblet]

making suggestions is how we make headway into what the community might want

[warped stone]

I disagreed with you but that don’t mean a thing buddy

[pulsar sierra]

Btw is there a way to sort suggestions by most upvoted?

Kinda want to see what’s trending 😶

[visual goblet]

its all about saying your opinion in a positive and respectful way that leave room for people to express themselves

[warped stone]

Unless you are a wizard, then I hate you ❤️

[wintry forge]

I don't think majority up votes means the suggestion is good. Thankfully, the devs decide what's in their game.

[visual goblet]

wiz will be nerfed 100% get ready syrius XD

[brittle patrol]

nah its not only a game that we all enjoy but its suggestions. I dont agree with a lot of your suggestions but i agree with some does not mean i dislike you in anyway

[visual goblet]

yeah most people love this game so much even talking about something they dont like is too much for them lmao

[glacial bridge]

:)

[visual goblet]

but dont worry devs dont -really- listen to our suggestions

they do their thing and thats the way it should be. we dont know shit

[brittle patrol]

im sure its a thing they check while takin a poop and go, hmm that might be something.

[white cliff]

New suggestion, reverse sbmm. New players should automatically be paired with existing high geared players to promote the player retention and teaching!

[dawn grotto]

I wouldn't be so sure about that

[visual goblet]

haha Jkidd post it so i can thumbs down 😄

[brittle patrol]

abort

[lucid root]

Oh shit celebrity in the house

[visual goblet]

we are being watched 😮

[lucid root]

Dad's home everyone scramble!

[white cliff]

My suggestion is to remove the suggestion channel.

[lusty wren]

Just ignore the MMR ones 😉

[visual goblet]

@dawn grotto i suggested earlier some kind of SBMM for HR on the extract ratio/ KDA (or even a gear score but everyone hated that) but i dont think the community wants that 😛 letting your buddy extract first would go out the window
Also they just LOVE wearing greys in HR instead of normal queue

[brittle patrol]

I think this should be a thing you would have to opt into as an experinced player. and have to fill out a "ill be a good boy agreement"

[pulsar sierra]

Yeah! Replace it with live game feedback channel so we can give feedback on the live game that is now live

[lucid root]

Rename channel to "shouting into an empty void"

[pulsar sierra]

Scream into the vacuum 👍

[glacial bridge]

im reformed

[brittle patrol]

I would go into Hr with greys solo and get out most of the time, find a decent wep and win big and im only risking 70gold. Its more of a risk reward imo go in with a little you can only go up

[visual goblet]

would u queue Solo or in a team? was your team geared?

[warped stone]

0 2 Hero hater alert. Too many deaths to naked wizards 🪄

[visual goblet]

wiz will be nerfed i think. Indeed im a zero to hero hater for HR

[lucid root]

We wear shoes, we're not uncivilized

[lusty wren]

Not being an ass just curious, Have you ever done a zero to hero run in any extraction games before?

[visual goblet]

this is my first <<extraction>> game, never played tarkov

[warped stone]

I’m joking bro. Nekkid wiz too strong obviously

[brittle patrol]

i played 33 hours total 30 of those were solo mostly HR in about 3 days, i found out about the game late. started with a group to learn.

[lusty wren]

Did you try it at all in DaD? I am just asking because its SUPER rewarding and having a MMR system destroys this

[visual goblet]

ive done some grey runs in normal but i would alwyas have gear for HR ( i probly shouldve queue more i had a lot of gold leftover at the end of season (im a loot goblin)
Also its like.... why are u amassing gear if youre not gonna use it in HR? Most people just didnt have any gear....

[warped stone]

I don’t enjoy meta gear in tarkov for example

It’s about the come up

[lusty wren]

I like punching up, its why I try naked zero to hero runs

Its very satisfying when done

[visual goblet]

its likeMAYBE youre super good in grey in HR but most people ive played with just did NOT have any gold/gear and would HOPE for the HERO part of zero to hero SOOOO BAD

[brittle patrol]

My main issue with tarkov is dying to someone i cant see/having to have the map on my second monitor and im still lost/ the learning curve of ammo and attachments. where as dnd is easy to get into but fun to get a much higher skill grasp

[visual goblet]

im my head the zero to hero thing is normal queue, not HR anywyas

[lusty wren]

but you fight better teams in HR

[visual goblet]

HR is putting your money where your mouth is and gambling everything in there

[lusty wren]

If my plan is to PUNCH UP. HR is the place to be

[warped stone]

Loot in normals sucks xd

[glacial bridge]

Zero to Hero HR is the way

[warped stone]

And people suck too lol

[lucid root]

Hero to zero 👌

[visual goblet]

yea OFC, this is where u could theorically make the big bucks

[glacial bridge]

i see you were watching me play

[visual goblet]

people sucked in HR too and i was kinda tired of explaining to people that not having gold for pots means they are a burden to me and that i have to leave the team and im sorry it took 30mins to get all of us in discord but i dont wanna lose the 70 gold for no reason

i would just queue up once and say nothing

then say i had to get food 😦

[lusty wren]

I played with friends, so if they didnt have enough gold to buy pots (which never happened unless they started a new class) I bought em for them

[visual goblet]

yeayea IRL friends is different, i dont mind carrying them

i would buy them anything they want

[lusty wren]

I never played with randoms tbh it was either playing in a group duoin or solo

[visual goblet]

anyways thats why i kinda want a SBMM for HR, thank you for listening

[warped stone]

Bro if u play HR with teammates that can’t or won’t afford healing idk what to say. Forget about Mmr find better friends my guy

[lucid root]

I'd play with my wife but she'd probably just keep team killing me

Evil woman

[visual goblet]

i dont really have IRL friends that would be good enough to HR

[soft relic]

I didn't find the players in HR to be any better than in normal

The only difference was the AI

[brittle patrol]

thats why i just solo qd hr

[glacial bridge]

just play a cleric and have her go NOT WIZARD PLEASE

[soft relic]

Tons of people in default kits running around HR dying

[visual goblet]

actually i think i missed out on solo queuing as rogue in HR

[visual goblet]

yes exactly, they think they are good but they just lost their entry fee 9/10 times imo

[warped stone]

There’s 300+ party’s up when playtest is live bro. Irls are almost never decent gamers lol @visual goblet

[brittle patrol]

I found that rup/expose weak and just kiting people out till i get 1v1s was a really good way, people just chase blindly when they see 1 guy

[glacial bridge]

i have more fun losing with IRLs than winning with strangers

[visual goblet]

yeap and the LFG had people lying about their gear status too :/ they would say <<all pruple>> but then u inspect them in lobby its all greys

they would just die after then its a 2v3 if u like PVP

[warped stone]

Sometimes u get got though lol

[visual goblet]

me 2 !!!! totally but my IRL dont play as much as me

[brittle patrol]

I didnt look for anyone but if i did i would just send it in a normal first to see what they are rocking and if the skill matches up

[visual goblet]

yeah but it was annoying going into normal just to have a bad player trying to <<explain>> why dying was not his fault and then they would proceed to pressure you into more normal queues...

[warped stone]

I’m saying don’t do HR with ur new friend and expect to live xd

[lusty wren]

Honestly, I think things like friend list fix this for you. If you could friend randoms you liked and then just form games off of your friends lilst after a week or so

[visual goblet]

thats true Proxy

finally some headway, thanks guy you really stepped up

[glacial bridge]

our dynamic is moreso me saying "lets go HR, you just gotta believe!" and them saying they want to stick to normals until 20

[glacial bridge]

(we are gonna die either way, might as well make it spicy)

[visual goblet]

yeah i totally want a friend list IN d&Der because my discord is full of people i dont remember

[soft relic]

Honestly? I found solo runs relaxing. Even on my cleric. I'd rather solo than run with randoms

[brittle patrol]

I mean you have eyes you can see if they died to nonesense or if it was a legit death

[visual goblet]

yeah but like 1 week later do you rremeber not to group up with that specific guy?

[warped stone]

Going in with no expectations is perfect slate xd

[hollow sentinel]

solo is way more fun than playing with a team

[warped stone]

Very hot take

[visual goblet]

yeah kinda to hot for me, mister wizard with mythic gear

i wasnt on that level 😛

[glacial bridge]

Duo is the most fun

[hollow sentinel]

I get lazy when I play with 3, it's too big of a crutch

duo is the best for sure

[warped stone]

But it depends, sometimes I love solo aswell

[glacial bridge]

solos is just me farming money

[hollow sentinel]

trio is easy mode, duo is the perfect balance

[brittle patrol]

Solo runs made me quit every other game, i have not got the rush and fun from a game that 1v3ing people as rogue wiht no hide gave me. I played wow for 14 years this game made me quit cold

[visual goblet]

yeap trio is EZ mode or basic mode for PVP IMO

[soft relic]

Also, when I mention solo, a huge part of the fun was having 3 man groups I had to avoid/outplay to survive against. I wouldn't ever want to solo queue in a solo queue lobby. XD

[visual goblet]

i wasnt a geared wizard pulling 1v3 consistenyly

[hollow sentinel]

even in greys you can fuck shit up in 1v3 with a wizard

[visual goblet]

meh not really tho

[hollow sentinel]

you have to respect the possibility of eating 5 fireballs

[visual goblet]

wiz kinda sucks in grey IMO

[warped stone]

No one does 1v3 consistently

Let’s be real

[lusty wren]

I think chain is still pretty dang strong in grey

[visual goblet]

fireballs if they dont one shot kill you they kinda are useless IMO

[brittle patrol]

buy a grey dagger, use ignite

[visual goblet]

ooooooooooo true that thing

[soft relic]

Once you have a geared rogue, you can. But only because most groups are running low end gear.

[hollow sentinel]

that's just gear carry speaking for you

[lusty wren]

chain over fire balls all day every day

[visual goblet]

lmao yeah ignite wiz i havent seen many but i heard

[hollow sentinel]

play in greys for a while and you'll feel a lot better

[brittle patrol]

thats how i played the game the whle time for over 28 hours

[glacial bridge]

im against any minion summoning / automated damage. shortcut to making the game bland

[lusty wren]

SAME!

[visual goblet]

i just mean everyclass has a tier list for geared or non geared; wiz was best calss with GG imo

ranger was best in grey IMO

i would slap wizards while they casted in basic ranger gear

[warped stone]

The people saying you 1v3 consistently; you claim to win more 1v3s than you lose?

[hollow sentinel]

yeah wiz with gear is the easiest class to wipe enemies with, but you still have to respect wiz with no gear

[brittle patrol]

well did you have problems with pvp or pve as wiz with 0 gear

[glacial bridge]

Necromancers are cool. but please dont suggest I have a Zombie / Skeleton / Golem etc following me around

[soft relic]

Wizard skill floor was higher than other classes.

[visual goblet]

yep, maybe youd be interested in the tier list i posted tho

[lusty wren]

No way, even the best dont

[hollow sentinel]

I mean not really interested in a random tier list because for me it's pretty self-evident

tier list doesn't really mean anything with how variable the combat in this game can be

[warped stone]

Exactly. Just hyping themselves up. It’s doable but they don’t understand the word consistently

[visual goblet]

tier list was like:
No gear : Ranger> Rogue > Fighter> Cleric > Wiz > barb
Geared: Wiz > Barb> Rogue > cleric > ranger> fighter something like that

[soft relic]

After getting high end gear, yes. But I was a rogue, picking and choosing my 1v3s, with an average of +35 damage on my gear. It wasn't even skill, it was just that I could 1-2 shot almost anything. With my cleric, absolutely not.

[glacial bridge]

in duos we win probably 60% (cuz we're killhunting), in solos I often will get 1 kill and have to run away so hard to estimate

[hollow sentinel]

wiz way too low on your list for no gear

[lusty wren]

I cant get behind this LOL

[hollow sentinel]

barb below fighter in any circumstance is kinda cooked too, barb is just a better fighter rn

[visual goblet]

i could agree but tbh i killed so many grey wizs i cant even count, most of them would kill one of their teamates too 😛

[hollow sentinel]

lots of new players pick wiz

[warped stone]

Running from half the fights isn’t winning 1v3 in my book

[visual goblet]

barb is better than fighter when hes fully geared

and full dps skills

[soft relic]

Most of this is because wizard skill floor was a lot higher than other classes. So most wizards sucked.

[visual goblet]

exactly!!!

[glacial bridge]

then probably 25% if running counts as a loss

[lucid root]

High skill floor high skill ceiling

[visual goblet]

but yeah probably a GOOD wiz in grey can be higher in that tier list 😛

[brittle patrol]

I count it as winning, you planned your escape you tried the 1v3 see you dont have the gear/enviornemnt for it and leave and escape with what you have + whatever u find on the way

[lusty wren]

Learning the class is what made wiz's better not their gear

[warped stone]

New wizard in party: grey run to see if he hits you first lol

[visual goblet]

yep LOL

wizard -will- be nerfed im certain of it

100%

[warped stone]

I agree but I was argueing about 1v3 fighting, not winning in your book

[lucid root]

Running from fights is only winning when I do it 😏

[soft relic]

Not necessarily running. Usually I'd either wait for them to fight AI or pick 1 off and run.

[hollow sentinel]

wizard nerf won't be as spicy as you expect

fireball charges down 5 -> 4 or something minor to start with

[brittle patrol]

If i dont die and make it out, im wining.

[visual goblet]

i think its gonna be pretty spicy. i think they are gonna change the invis skill too, but we cant know for sure

[soft relic]

With setup (ambush, expose weakness, preload for the 3rd hit on a castillon or stiletto) I was hitting around 267 on target dummies. For anything but a plate wearer, that was a 1 shot. 1v3 was more like 1v2.

[hollow sentinel]

Balance isn't really a priority at this stage

[visual goblet]

youre right

[warped stone]

“Not run” ends sentence with “or run” bro xd

[hollow sentinel]

not when there are a half dozen more classes to add, skill trees to add, items/spells to add etc

[vagrant stone]

K/D leaderboard would be cool

[glacial bridge]

if im solo and get a pick on a trio and extract alive then thats obviously a success story. I wont attempt to kill all 3 enemies unless I see a reasonable path to victory

[soft relic]

Yes. Run and return to pick off more. I'm not just running and leaving them alone.

[visual goblet]

we will see when the patch hits

[hollow sentinel]

they haven't pushed any heavy nerfs on anything considered 'imba' so far

[soft relic]

You think I'm going to stand and fight fair as a rogue? 😛

[hollow sentinel]

they have a very light touch

[vagrant stone]

umm........

[visual goblet]

yeah and TBH the balance right now is pretty good

[vagrant stone]

how consistent we talking about? lol

[lucid root]

Take away all wizards offensive spells and you can't wield rondel anymore. Run from the fights, all of them!

[visual goblet]

we thought consistent was around 50% survival rate after engaging a 3 man team

[soft relic]

And I'll be the first to admit, I am not highly skilled. Gear just scaled so well, 1v3 against almost anything became possible because of the 1-2 shots.

[hollow sentinel]

a lot of players feeling they were OP or certain things were OP were really just experiencing the effects of gear carry

[lusty wren]

More then you lose

[hollow sentinel]

gear carry could be toned down a little

[hollow sentinel]

100% this

[visual goblet]

yes. agree 100%

[hollow sentinel]

a purple spellbook pretty much guaranteed 1v3 victories

[visual goblet]

gear is a little too OP rn

[vagrant stone]

lol if you guys think nobody out there wins the majority of his 1v3s you are horribly mistaken

[hollow sentinel]

heaps of people are constantly winning 1v3s

[vagrant stone]

some of my wizzes I was running with would just clear the whole fucking server

[warped stone]

How about players who haven’t swung a sword or played an extraction game in their life xd

[lucid root]

Majority is only 51%

[glacial bridge]

i think thats where you want the game to be balanced. someone shouldnt just stumble into a trio and win a 1v3, but solos are capable of isolating a target with hallways etc and winning a 1v1. then he chooses whether to pull back or push forward.

[visual goblet]

there was this ONE guy that thought that 1v3 consistency did not exist

[hollow sentinel]

practise practise practise

[soft relic]

Now if everyone was running around with equal gear, I'd never win 1v3s consistently, or even close to it. I'd invis pot/stealth away from most of them. But because most people ran default, even in high roller? It was easy to run through 1 shotting groups.

[visual goblet]

and yeah try 1 v3 with anythign else than wiz barb or rogue 😄

[glacial bridge]

Ranger can 1v3 with ease

[brittle patrol]

the number 3 player overall and number 1 rogue maxxgod something was 1v3ing more often than not in Hr as rogue

[visual goblet]

with traps maybe

[vagrant stone]

there's non wizards who >50% their 1v3s

[hollow sentinel]

fighter 1v3 is harder than it used to be but still an option

[warped stone]

Yea I’m saying we felt strong cus this isn’t our first rodeo

[hollow sentinel]

they need to give fighter a full damage windlass again

[warped stone]

Link me a vod

[soft relic]

This is why I picked up cleric. Rogue was giving me a bit of a false sense of how solo play worked.

[warped stone]

Not a clip or 15 min vid, a vod

[visual goblet]

personally i didnt not go for 1v3 situations so i cant really talk about those... but whenever i would get wiped it was a wizard. One time a barb one time a rogue, they both had CRAZY gear

[hollow sentinel]

which class do you play

[visual goblet]

i played ranger/rogue mostly

and usually i could handle anything with the rogue but ranger would get rushed by melees sometimes

or one shot by a fireball

[brittle patrol]

I would consistantly wipe 3 with green-blue gear a lot of the time there were maybe a bit new but there was maybe slightlyless where they had decent gear and had a solid grasp of the game. people just see 1 guy and think easy kill

[lucid root]

I played rogue 2.0, aka wizzle dizzle

[warped stone]

Link me a vod or name please

[glacial bridge]

i mostly played rogue but i had the best success as ranger for 1v3s

[vagrant stone]

where's the proof 😂

[hollow sentinel]

I get a massive amount of satisfaction from fireballing mordhau roleplayers while they push the wizard

[visual goblet]

yeah lets check some GG 1v3 videos 😄 link me 🙂

[wintry forge]

It's not as many as you think. There are others that have as many, if not more than me (probably more). For some reason I'm just getting more attention than others, and it's not because my suggestions are worse. Most of the suggestions are down rated.

[brittle patrol]

all his vods dont have sound cause he was new to streaming but you can go back and watch if you would like, hes really good and helped me quickly be able to take on teams

[warped stone]

Sure idc about sound

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Barbarians already have a ton of health to begin with, not to mention barbarians are more speed based which means if they were to equip on plate armour their speed would be heavily decreased and would affect their play style of running in.

[visual goblet]

keep making suggestions, this is how brainstorming works 😄 makes the game better thinking abotu that stuff even if most people dont agree with you. Most people dont really know what thye are talkin about too

[glacial bridge]

this guy has 82 suggestions

[visual goblet]

wow people really hate the idea of SBMM, not sure if they are bad or good :X

[lucid root]

Suspense does?

[glacial bridge]

yeah lol

[lucid root]

I wonder who has the most

[warped stone]

What is bad or good?

[visual goblet]

bad player/goodplayers

[soft relic]

There are a few issues with basing match making on extraction

[visual goblet]

it was just a joke tho, syrius 😛

[warped stone]

Both xd

[lusty wren]

what does extraction prove?

[warped stone]

They are both lol

[soft relic]

Exactly

[warped stone]

Exactly

Haha!

[fervent crag]

I mean if they mentioned a ranked mode with SBMM i’d agree with that, but not with the default normal dungeon runs

[brittle patrol]

i mean its easily abuseable, i go in lose 50 in a row off rip then im with new players for the next long time and clean up

[soft relic]

There were players who were really good at killing other players, but never cared about extracting, and went in to watch the world burn

[vagrant stone]

what is the most competitive metric

[visual goblet]

im not sure why a good player wants to keep playing with bad players and why bad player would want to be burden/get wiped by good players 😛 i guess im for SBMM tbh, i think we will have enough players and the queues wont be long

[hollow sentinel]

they're thankfully not thinking about sbmm atm

[soft relic]

There are players who honestly can't kill a damn thing, but rat really well and extract a lot

[lucid root]

Kill everyone then suicide, extraction is for the weak

[lusty wren]

Iron sharpens Iron

[visual goblet]

they are not indeed, i really dont think it will be part of the game ever

[soft relic]

So match making needs to take into account more than just extraction rate if they introduce a system for it.

[visual goblet]

swords cant be sharpened in butter tho 😄

tbh grey players in HR would annoy me

most of them anyways

just looking at a grey corpse would bore me

[lucid root]

Maybe not the butter you use

[hollow sentinel]

best way to get better is to play against better players, and sbmm makes that much harder

[warped stone]

Extraction games aren’t meant to be competitive to begin with. People play very differently. Gold, pvp, bossing, group play, solo ratting, questing, etc…

[lusty wren]

They laughing when they get you and they upgrade from grey to purps and that shit feels good

[visual goblet]

stabs a guy with a sword <<wow i cant believe its not butter!>>

[soft relic]

I would want to be put in with better players than me, if I could choose. I know I got lazy with the game once I realized 99% of my enemies were in bad greens or lower and had no clue how to PvE, let alone PvP.

[hollow sentinel]

they could easily implement minimum gear level for HR lobbies, or make people drop a portion of their ante on death

or probably a dozen other things

[visual goblet]

i could tell the only people that would hav ea shot at killing me were geared up

[glacial bridge]

you know what Suspense, most of your suggestions werent as bad as I made them out to be.

I saw the awful ones like "Characters develop mental illness" and "make this a turn-based game" and applied that to you as a whole person

[lusty wren]

You are saying you never once ever put yourself out of position? 😄

[hollow sentinel]

I blasted so many people in default gear, but there are a few players who ended up being a gear check

[brittle patrol]

i like being able to go into Hr with greys if you lose you just lose 70g and if you win u win much more than you went in with

[visual goblet]

LOL

turn based? hehe i guess thats why the suggestion channel is here

and I got flamed for talking about SBMM? 😛

[glacial bridge]

a lot of machine gun suggestions like "snakes" thats the entire message

[soft relic]

Haha... I went in on the second to last day pretty kitted out. Killed myself with an explosive bottle on a door frame like an idiot. The group I was throwing it at? 2 rogues and a ranger. They walk up... loot my friend's corpse... and leave my purple/legendary gear on my body, and go red room. Not one of them checked me.

[warped stone]

You all expect people to be gods at this game and it’s a freakin’ playtest lol

What did I expect from early morning discorders

[soft relic]

I was dying laughing. I think they all expected someone else to have checked my body

[hollow sentinel]

1hk'd myself with a fireball as soon as I loaded HR one time, one of those dodgy fireballs that clip on nothing and blow up in your face

[glacial bridge]

but i would say 50% of his werent bad. I was harsh

[visual goblet]

just imagine queuing up with a first day player in HR when you decided to whip out your best gear 😦 youre like<< theres a lever here>> <<press 1 to get yur weapon out>>

[brittle patrol]

morning kek

[lucid root]

1am, technically morning I guess

[brittle patrol]

looks like you have a temate you can bait and use to 1v3

[visual goblet]

i love your glass half full mentality 😄

[brittle patrol]

thanks 🙂

[visual goblet]

btw syrius, im not a god at this game bcasue i played a lot, im a god at this game because im a god period, everything is EZ when u got skills

😉

[warped stone]

You know timezones exist right

[visual goblet]

yeah for me its 1am

[soft relic]

The most shocking thing to me was people not understanding gear to the level of buying rogue only gear with spellcaster stats.

Like... that doesn't require skill. Just a half second of thought. XD

[brittle patrol]

no please go into detail of every single one please

[warped stone]

Wowowowow ok Kratos carry me next playtest

[warped stone]

I only know North Korea they don’t let me know the outside time

[visual goblet]

Didnt you hear about me wanting SBMM XD I don’t like to carry lmao

[warped stone]

I don’t care

[brittle patrol]

i like that

[visual goblet]

Ill carry you next playtest then 🙂

[warped stone]

That was easier than expected lol we carry eachother g

[lucid root]

If they add body fat sliders I will be the fattest wizard of all

[visual goblet]

Lessss goooooo only 30+days to wait 😦

[soft relic]

Just wait until they introduce halflings/gnomes and everyone plays them to get smaller hitboxes.

[warped stone]

Is it gay that I would suck a duck to play d&d?

[brittle patrol]

the ends justify the means.

[agile condor]

I could see caltrops being interesting - probably still needs to be clearable/removable and depends on how long they take to set, how expensive they are, how much space they cover etc - seems like it could get abused pretty easily

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[lucid root]

My caltrop idea came back to life

[agile condor]

My only concern is it's abuse

[lucid root]

Mine was just for rogues though

[agile condor]

I do think ranger doesn't need it, with the other trap we have

[warped stone]

I feel like we already have traps? Caltrops are ranger if you ask me

Agreed

[brittle patrol]

caltrops = bear trap imo

[soft relic]

Ranger doesn't need caltrops

They already get utterly ridiculous with gear

Like 2 shotting fighters in full purple/legendary plate armor from across rooms ridiculous

[wintry forge]

I tend to suggest things and ask more questions than others irl too. Don't let it bother you. I've just been suggesting anything that comes to mind I think would be fun in the game.

[warped stone]

Caltrops would slow in a large zone. But imagine both on a ranger sheesh

[soft relic]

Bows already slow you when you get shot, too

Imagine the nightmare that would be caltrops + explosive bottle. Take damage if you move, take damage if you don't.

[agile condor]

While I don't think I disagree, most people put ranger pretty low when geared on a tier-list that I've seen

[soft relic]

Tier lists are bullshit tbh

They can't take into account a lot of things

[warped stone]

Show me a tierlist where ranger is low so I can avoid that source of info for the rest of my life please

[wintry forge]

I was being sarcastic about turning this into a turn-based game.

[soft relic]

To be honest, at high gear, everything is a 2 shot. Ranger, fighter, rogue, wizard... ranged combat is crazy strong because it does as much damage as melee.

But because time to kill is so low, the difference between classes matters less than who is using them

[vagrant stone]

maybe even a 1 shot

[agile condor]

New Suggestion: Suspense much assign a 1-10 rating for all of his suggestions to let us know how much he wants some things compared to others

[lucid root]

Geared vs geared instagib battle

[warped stone]

Unless u r gandalf 🔥

[wintry forge]

I suggested the mental illness because I like horror games, and I thought it could be fun in this game, but I know this isn't meant to be a horror game.

[lucid root]

When I pulled out the oil lantern I felt like I was playing amnesia

[visual goblet]

I got a tier list if you guys want 🙂

[wintry forge]

I was suggesting snakes as an enemy type.

[lucid root]

The more games you survive the more your character starts seeing h.p Lovecraft type horrors lol

I feel like this team could probably make a good horror game if they decided to though

Just make it a separate game ya know

[warped stone]

Rogues are scary enough, I’m good

[lucid root]

Behind every rogue waiting in the shadows I like to imagine some guy just watching TV eating food occasionally checking the game

I hope that makes it less scary 🙃

[visual goblet]

Lol just like guys in tarkov checking their snipe spot 😂

[lucid root]

I used to play red orchestra like that as marksman. One of the maps it takes them like 15 minutes to cap the first objective so you can lay down in the tree line and take a nap

[hollow sentinel]

bridges of druzhine

[lucid root]

My man...

[hollow sentinel]

best map in the history of ww2 shooters

[woeful oriole]

@lucid root no, your character should not develop wear and tear. I don't want my characters looking more hideous. If it's an unlockable cosmetic you can equip, I think its fine

@soft relic caltrops should be a rogue exclusive item tbh >_>

Rangers already get beartraps

[lucid root]

Ahh I lost one, but then gained one 😏

[soft relic]

Agreed. But I guess my main issue is I don't see how they would help the rogue, either. The rogue never needs help getting away because it's so fast, and has no trouble chasing for the same reason

[woeful oriole]

@soft relic it would help tremendously

Caltraps are an area denial item

[hollow sentinel]

I like the idea of making higher level characters look more weathered and experienced, wizards going from dark hair to grey beards as they level up, barbs going from short braids to long beards

[woeful oriole]

They're meant to help set up and escape

[soft relic]

Eh... at low gear, probably

Usually though you can just hit x and get away from anything, without the help of area denial

[woeful oriole]

You can force people to stop chasing or turn the the tables to your side

And they're also used to section off hallways etc.

[lucid root]

Longer beard that's badass, but probably something they'll just add with future customization

[hollow sentinel]

I prefer no customisation tbh, but I'm sure they'll add it

[woeful oriole]

Also keep in mind, rogues are meant to be slippery. This adds to them thematically @soft relic

Just like how they have that useless ass pickpocket skill

[soft relic]

Thematically I'm for it. I just can't think of a time where I would have needed them. But it very well could be something that I would use a lot and just don't know it yet.

[woeful oriole]

I can

I can think of several interactions where the ability to section off a hallway or straight up escape three people

Wiuld be amazing

If you play as a trio, maybe its not as useful

But as solo or duo

Its use is beyond infinite

Give your wizard or ranger more time to cast/shoot

Stop crazy barbs and fighters from running your squshy asses down

Force assassin flaming dagger wizards out of stealth because they decided to walk over caltraps

In solo, the cases are even MORE infinite

You can force the area into a 1v1 situation instead of 3v1

Unless they're all rangers

[soft relic]

Eh, I played solo a lot, but rogue ran so fast that it didn't need help getting away. Like... not ever lol

[woeful oriole]

In which case you just run

I distinctly remember running through

Several doors and hallways

Where the ability to block them would have been perfect

Also, crouching should prevent bleed and all the other debuffs of caltraps

[soft relic]

Maybe. Kinda depends on the implementation. I'd have to play with them to know for sure

[woeful oriole]

Similar to dnd

Where if you walk over caltraps slowly

[soft relic]

I mean you could just throw an explosive bottle if you wanted area denial now

[woeful oriole]

You suffer no effects

You have to buy those

And caltraps

[soft relic]

Was gold ever an issue?

[woeful oriole]

Would have an infinite duration

So you would start with them

[soft relic]

Most people I knew were literally desperate to get rid of gold lol

[woeful oriole]

Well true to some extent

But, the flames expire

Caltraps add to the rogues theme

Of setting up a favorable ambush

[lucid root]

I never used explosive bottles, do they cause explosion damage and burn damage or something?

[woeful oriole]

I thought he waa taliing about lanterns

They explode and leave fire for a little bit

In a small area

But while those expire

Caltraps stay forever until triggered a certain number of times

[soft relic]

I believe it was both, but mostly burn damage.

[woeful oriole]

So if i left caltraps in front of a door for example....

That door is now advantageous for me

[soft relic]

Except they would likely hit you if you stepped on them, too

[woeful oriole]

Thats why i said impliment the dnd rule

Walking or crouching over caltraps

Doesnt damage you

And it doesnt bleed you either

So either way caltraps give the desired effect of stopping the enemy

So unleas theres an intense battle

You can just walk over them

So you can still set up ambushes at doors

If they open the door, see it and walk over it

It still works in your favor

Because now as you brought up

I get to freely firebomb them

And now if rhey run

They're on fire, they're slowed and they're bleeding

Rogues have always implimented dirty tactics and employed heavy use of trickery and tools

Thematically it fits

Practically it also fits

Use them to section off hallways, use them to separate enemies, use them to ambush, use them to escape

Caltraps are not an "escape" type tool only

[lucid root]

If there was a rogue perk so they don't set off deployed traps, is that super mega op, or...

[woeful oriole]

They can be used proactively as well as reactively

Its been a little bit but im pretty sure the only rogue perk related to traos

Is the one to be able to see traps clearly

And disable them

Caltraps would actually give you a reason to use that perk >_>

Becauee now you have ranger traps, dungeon traps (which we need more of and to be randomly spawning) and caltraps

You learn the map fully like after 10 games

So you already know where every dungeon trap is

[lucid root]

I know where most of them are but when I'm fighting players i forget about them sometimes

[woeful oriole]

Out of curiosity, are rangers affected by their own traps and are their teammates affected by it as well?

Never ran into the situation

Where i had a chance to test it

[soft relic]

Yes

It's hilarious hearing rangers hit their own traps. 😄

[woeful oriole]

@lucid root and when im fighting players i lure them into the traps

And watch as they get hit by a random spear in the wall

[soft relic]

Bear traps really need to be a short duration, and not something you have to interact with during the fight

Especially because they aren't given priority for interaction targeting

[woeful oriole]

I think bear traps are fine, I never find a situation where i feel they're op but thats because i usually go around them

And haven't actually stepped into one yet

[lucid root]

Far Cry level animations taking the trap out of your leg

[soft relic]

Eh, at low gear it's fine, because you can survive the 2-3 shots you're going to take getting it off

[woeful oriole]

And when i play a ranger, i never step into my own or... Have anyone step into it tbh

@soft relic triple shot and shotgun shot wishes to say hello

[soft relic]

If the ranger is even in mediocre gear though, you are guaranteed to die in the time it takes to remove the trap. And if you're a fighter with a shield, you have to show the top of your head

[lucid root]

I need to watch some videos on bear traps I honestly never even saw one being set off

[woeful oriole]

Best feeling in the world

Is landing all 5 arrows

Into someones head

[soft relic]

They have to bend down and hit F on the trap to get it off

[woeful oriole]

And seeing them instantly die

[soft relic]

If the ranger doesn't kill you when you hit the trap, the ranger sucks.

And you can put it under dead bodies and stuff to make it hard to see, and even harder to interact with

[woeful oriole]

You know even though i say caltraps shohld be rogue exclusive, im moderately okay with fighters being able to use it

Solely because fighters are usually jack of all trades

I say moderately but those fuckers wear full heavy armor decked out with longswords or sword and board

[hollow sentinel]

fighters need all the love they can get tbh

[woeful oriole]

While im just in dingy ass leather/cloth armor or w.e

[soft relic]

To be honest full heavy armor was a detriment later on

[lucid root]

@ebon delta would that be an instant open or just like normal open duration but from a distance

[soft relic]

Move speed mattered more than the amount of defense you had

[woeful oriole]

Yeah that heavy armor makes my knives do pitiful damage...

Not top tier knives but like mediocre ones

[soft relic]

I was 2 shotting fighters in purple heavy armor

[woeful oriole]

Im pretty sure i stab that fucker like 12 times

[hollow sentinel]

full plate is AWESOME for the "i'm a chunky piece of metal that fucks things up" but in reality you're just too slow and there's too much that penetrates your defenses

[woeful oriole]

Before the bastard finally died

But when i think back on it

[hollow sentinel]

you just need the -50% armour ability

[woeful oriole]

Im prettt sure the cleric was healing him the entire time...

[soft relic]

Once you get enough +damage stats, armor didn't matter. Enemies took 2 hits in regal gambeson or fine cuirass

[woeful oriole]

Didnt notice there was a cleric until after i wasted him

[hollow sentinel]

I think I'd be okay with them just removing +damage mod from the game

[woeful oriole]

@hollow sentinel i dont recall that being on a skill

[soft relic]

So it ended up being more important for fighters to move fast than to stack damage

[ebon delta]

@lucid root instant, but you still have to cast spell, so spell casting time can be adjusted

[soft relic]

Expose Weakness. Rogue skill that makes your next attack deal 50% more damage and lowers their defense by 50% for 5 seconds

[woeful oriole]

Was it 50%?

[soft relic]

Yeah

[hollow sentinel]

expose weakness + ambush + backstab leads to some absolutely nutty burst

[woeful oriole]

Hmm. I did run with that for a bit on certain playstyles

Probably explained why i had an easier time in some fights

[lucid root]

I'd probably run that skill then, at least until my interaction speed is up

[woeful oriole]

Hide is almost mandatory on rogue and so is the movement skil unless you're going for a dueling rogue

So for the armor pen you give up the bleed

[soft relic]

The bleed is only good at lower levels

[woeful oriole]

Never did figure out if bleed is true damage or if its reduced

[hollow sentinel]

I'd say don't even take hide until you have level 15

it's garbage without perks

[woeful oriole]

Yeah, hide is ass without perks

[hollow sentinel]

run bleed + weakpoint attack until you get to 15

[soft relic]

Once you got enough gear, expose weakness burst was too good to give up

[woeful oriole]

Never had high tier gear, my perspective is from mid tier loot

Because it took me over 10 games to figure out rogue is ass with starter gear

[soft relic]

Ah, yeah. That starter dagger... lol

[woeful oriole]

Stab someone 15 times

And they don't fucking die

[soft relic]

Only usable with the poison perk

[woeful oriole]

28 STAB WOUNDS

Even with the poison perk which also feels mandatory for daggers tbh, they still take a while to die

For rapier... You can probably deal without it

If you're going for peek a boo i kill you playstyle

Ngl, rogues need access to shortswords

The three things rogues can use that are finesse, daggers, shortsword and rapiers

[soft relic]

Rapier was nerfed pretty hard this time around. 24 damage on an orange... lol

[woeful oriole]

Never figured out how strength or damage worked either

[soft relic]

Could supplement that to be a 2-3 hit kill later on with enough gear

[woeful oriole]

Whether it was a percentage or just straight up flat

[soft relic]

But until then, rapier was pretty bad for PvP. The reach helped a lot in PvE though

[woeful oriole]

Listen, i must stres this

No class in this game, should be better at burst famage then rogue

NO CLASS

Because rogues only purpose is to loot chests and perform massive amounts of sneak attack burst

Well i should phrase it better

Obviously wizard and barbs should have high damage

But if a rogue gets the drop on you, you should fall to his damage unless you have good armor or good defensive abilities/reaction

[smoky yoke]

they have

[wintry forge]

What weapon is worth using as Rogue?

[woeful oriole]

But like, a ranger with a bow, or a close range wizard, or even a fighter who doesn't know you're there

[soft relic]

Offhands were usually better than mainhands. Either castillon or stiletto, both had bonus damage on the third hit. The mainhand daggers were next best. Rapier was the worst

[woeful oriole]

They should all die in 1-2 hits from a weakpoint, stealth ambush attack

[gray vessel]

DaD should have a mortar and pestle that you can use to crsuh stuff, then you can use the empty glass vials from your posions, crush them down into glass dust, then throw the glass dust into your enemies eyes blinding them.

[woeful oriole]

@soft relic hey

That rapier

Was better at poke stabbing

Then the dagger was

[soft relic]

For PvE, yes.

[woeful oriole]

Its actually hilarious

In pvp as well

[soft relic]

But for PvP, the rapier damage was too much lower than daggers to be optimal

[woeful oriole]

Have tou ever had a fighter swing his sword on a pillar

And you hide behind the pillar, peek a boo

[soft relic]

Legendary dagger was 33 damage, legendary rapier was 24. Dagger had faster attack speed, too

[woeful oriole]

Stab him once and repeat

It was actually hilarious

The stab range is just too funny

You know whats also funny

A wizard crouching under a bridge trying to cast his spells

But he cant because his staff keeps hitting the ceiling

And then you just stab him a bunch of times

Staff is ass >_>

[soft relic]

Staff was horrible haha

[hollow sentinel]

ignite staff kinda slaps

you're right about rogue though, nothing can handle the burst from a perked up rogue getting the drop on you

[woeful oriole]

They should be able to do that at all tiers vs people of the same tier >_>

[hollow sentinel]

rogues can do it maybe, two tiers up?

[woeful oriole]

Not "i need top tier shit to do this"

[hollow sentinel]

green dagger can def instakill purple full plate fighters

[woeful oriole]

Hmm, with the right skill and perks and provided he's alone

It is definitely doable

[hollow sentinel]

yeah I mean even if he's not alone you'll at least get the satisfaction of stealing his fun

ambush + weakpoint + backstab alone puts your first hit at like 70 damage before mitigation

[woeful oriole]

Truth be told, i wanted to take it a step further and say they should be able to instantly drop anybody without them even realizing what killed them, but that would be entirely unbalanced

[soft relic]

It's less about the quality of the daggers (though this does help) and more about how much flat +damage you can stack on your gear. You could get green gear with +5 physical damage and run around 1-2 shotting people

[hollow sentinel]

I think they should remove flat + damage mod from the game

+true damage is fine tho

[woeful oriole]

It wouldnt be fun getting shanked by a rogue randomly at the end whos hiding in a corner

And losing all your shit

Just because rogue can one shot anyone

[hollow sentinel]

it would be fun for the rogue

[woeful oriole]

Definitelt fun for the rogue

But then people would reeee its op

[soft relic]

Eh... I think it's okay, but they need to remove having +weapon damage, +additional physical damage, +true physical damage, and +% additional physical damage all on the same item. Also lower the amount able to be rolled, and only have +additional physical available on gloves and jewelry, and +weapon damage only available on the weapons and maybe jewelry.

[woeful oriole]

And ignore the invis spaming haste spamming flame dagfer wizard

Who basically does that

In two hits

With mediocre stuff >_>

[hollow sentinel]

I like that the wizard has multiple viable playstyles

[woeful oriole]

I do to

I think all classes

Should have multiple playstyles

Only wizard has it... And fighter

[hollow sentinel]

fighter's multiple styles suck ass though

[woeful oriole]

The others are basically just locked into one style

[hollow sentinel]

I would like to see an xbow perk for fighter, or just remove the 20% damage penalty on off-class weapons

[woeful oriole]

20% penalty removal

Fighters are jack of all trades

They should be able to use everything equally

[hollow sentinel]

windlass should be a viable option

not a poo slinger

[woeful oriole]

Except magic

[soft relic]

I think it's funny that fighter gets 20% penalty on off-class weapons when generally (except for in the case of bows), those items are already just worse than what the fighter already has access to, and ranger actually gets a big bonus for using an off-class spear.

[woeful oriole]

If i see a fighter casting fireball, im gonna lose it

[wary flower]

I think that all classes have enough perks and weapon variation to have different playstyles. Maybe not as much as wizards and fighters, but..

[hollow sentinel]

wouldn't mind enchanted gear being able to cast spells, non rechargeable

[woeful oriole]

Name the variation in rogue that wont kill ot

Wizard you can play flame dagger assassin, you can spex into lightning magic or fire magic

Three different styles

[hollow sentinel]

well you can't spec lightning yet

[woeful oriole]

Rogue is just teehee, i hide and stab you

[hollow sentinel]

no perks

[woeful oriole]

Ive seen those chain lightning videos

Pew pew you're all dead

[hollow sentinel]

rogue should have a lil pirate variation with a scimitar and the same ale perk that cleric has

[wary flower]

If you only focus on variations that are op at killing, there may be not that many. But looting and surviving are main goals of the game too, and you can also play around them.

[woeful oriole]

Rogue should have a duel wield perk that gives unique dual wield attack animations

[soft relic]

There are builds for rogue that are better for ratting rather than fighting, and can be effective.

[hollow sentinel]

rogue is already the best at looting and running away

[woeful oriole]

I dont need more perks to do that, i played like a good little mouse solo enough already

[soft relic]

Cleric can go for a few playstyles. Drunken fist beatdown, PvE-centric AoE nukes, full group support

[woeful oriole]

Oh yeah xleric has variation as well

[soft relic]

Fighter and wizard have the aforementioned options.

Back to rogue, you could do a throwing knife setup as well that actually was dropping people pretty fast if you had the gear

[woeful oriole]

Ew, throwinf knives, range is ass

[hollow sentinel]

there's no reason to pick fighter until they buff the multiclass perk

[woeful oriole]

And its all consumables

[soft relic]

But when you 2 shot someone with throwing knives... 😄

[woeful oriole]

Yes thats funny but not very effencient

Unlike drunken cleric

[hollow sentinel]

it'll be hard to give the rogue multiple playstyles without adding cringe shit like dodges, rolls etc

[woeful oriole]

Where you're tanky and you molly wope anyone in your way

I mean techbically rogue should have uncanny dodge

Since they're evasive

But no its possible

[wary flower]

they do dodge pretty well with the current mechanics if you go for a high mobility build

[woeful oriole]

Add in that palm crossbow i keep mentioning, give unique dual wield animations

Give them shortswords

Create perks that are spexific to rapiers, shortswords and dual wielding

Make it so they can short sword palm crossbow combo like corvo from dishonored

Many many things

[wary flower]

I think that that kind of stuff will be added within the Training skill tree

[vagrant stone]

whats your ideal party?

[hollow sentinel]

solo lol

cler + wiz + barb is easy wins though

[woeful oriole]

My idea party?

Three rogues

With hide

Hiding in a hallway

With loot in the middle of them

[karmic zenith]

sign me in

[wary flower]

you bullies ¬¬

[soft relic]

Kinda all depends on gear level to me. If we're talking high end gear, I'd leave the cleric at home.

Wizard buffs are just better once gear hits a certain point. Clerics don't scale well.

But at early/mid gear, clerics are great

[wary flower]

I have to agree with you. Playing high roller as cleric was a bit frustrating.

[soft relic]

Yeah. I enjoyed my cleric, but it got frustrating often

[karmic zenith]

However, pre-adjusted smite clerics hit different.

[vagrant stone]

why barb over fighter?

[wary flower]

I think we were talking about a support cleric. Damage dealer cleric wasn't that bad 🙂

[soft relic]

True. They can still hit hard with smite/divine weapon, but I didn't really like any of their weapon options. It felt like they moved too slowly so often I'd just get kited to death. It was better for me to put the weapons away and punch people to death, just so I could keep up lol

Oddly, if I was going to use a weapon on cleric, morningstar worked best for me. I know a lot of people didn't like it as much as the flanged mace.

But they changed the animations for it this time around and it doesn't start off with a wide horizontal swing

[karmic zenith]

I get you, as I see it IMO clerics can be damage first and support second.

[soft relic]

I think they need to be damage first. Even with your spells supporting, having 2 people fighting and dealing damage seems worse in medium and better gear than just having 3 fighting.

[wary flower]

Uff, it's just that the attack speed and headshot hit-pattern of the flanged mace were amazing... the range sucked a bit but..

[soft relic]

I kind of felt like flanged mace attack speed was garbage. Best cleric has, though. 😄

[wary flower]

Oh, compared to other weapons it is slow. It's the damage-speed ratio that makes it shine

[karmic zenith]

During my last playtest, I was one-shotted by a cleric using smite, while I was wearing full epics.

However, take in mind that this is pre-smite adjustment.

[wary flower]

Happened the same to me. I reported it on the bug section (wasn't using all epics, but a fighter with defensive perks). Even with a full wisdom+magical damage build it shouldn't be possible.
Oh sorry, not smite, it was punishment

[soft relic]

Morningstar had some pretty funny ragdoll stuff that would happen with that third swing, too. Probably my funniest kill was with a morningstar and that likely makes me biased. You're probably right overall, the speed on flanged mace probably gives it the edge.

[wary flower]

The opposite for me. Many people easy blocking my hits and abusing the low attack speed made me hate morningstar a lit bit >//< Both weapons are great 👍

[karmic zenith]

Yeah, clerics hit hard with the proper gear; I believe people will start playing clerics as front liners, possibly replacing fighters or barbarians.

Especially if they buff themselves before a fight.

[soft relic]

I'm not sure about frontliners. My full purple/legendary cleric got 1 shot by a barb with a green axe this test lol

Templar armor, plate pants, etc

[karmic zenith]

In my experience fighting clerics, they appear to be tanks when buffed and such.

[wary flower]

Maybe we should try to run it with a mobility+magical damage set, abusing punishment and a single well placed hit with a good mace

[karmic zenith]

Definitely, clerics benefit so much from magical damage etc.

[wary flower]

I don't remember it correctly, but smite and divine weapon have the same added damage?

[karmic zenith]

And if you have mobility, you can retreat out of a combat and heal yourself.

[karmic zenith]

I couldn't tell you because I didn't get to test out clerics this time, but from what I've seen, clerics seem to hit pretty hard and are somewhat tanky this time around. People might well have begun to play clerics more aggressively this time around, rather than simply staying in the back and supporting the team.

[soft relic]

Mostly I saw clerics hiding in the back being useless, still. But every now and then there would be one that actually used their weapons and could hurt

A cleric that could land a couple hits and/or block well, while knowing when to pull out the book to throw out a spell or two was a lot scarier than one that sat in the back spamming heals until they were out.

[karmic zenith]

Yeah, it also depended on the lobby; there is a noticeable skill gap between the high roller lobby clerics and normals; as you mentioned, when playing normals, most of the time when facing a cleric, they would just stay back line and waste their spells, but let me tell you, it's a different story in high roller, but sometimes you get the oddballs that would stand there and nothing.

[wary flower]

I actually played solo dmg cleric for a while in normal lobbies and I'm proud to say that I didn't lose a single 1v1 and I even won some 1vs2.
But in teams I do play it in the backline doing full support, although I try to be really close to use Punishment at first opportunity.

I also did some baiting if we had to rush to a group of rangeds. Having a shield to stop some arrows can make a difference.

No need to say that if any enemy reach you, you pull out your weapon and fight it instead of running with the book in the hand.

But definitely in HR I preferred the mage. Buff's were more op for the damage dealers and you could even pull out some easy kills at range.

A barb popping out of stealth with haste is a death sentence 🤷

[mossy ruin]

I never ran into a barb and wizard that sounds fun, my friend played wizard but didnt run invis.. hmm

[sacred hill]

i dont know who can do this but someone make a chat ''Top Suggestions'' so people have an idea what was already suggested and we can see what people want most

[crimson stone]

that combo was funny , barb can close gap and one shot people

[hazy cobalt]

You're all wrong. That is all.

[pulsar moat]

I got so random idea just now, In my YT feed popped up old meme Dr. Livesey Phonk walk and imagine if this would be option for walking animation as skeleton model is.

https://tenor.com/view/phonk-walk-gif-26740144

[visual goblet]

i can hear the song that goes with it

[lucid root]

I'm in favor of wearing lanterns on your belt

Pro: don't have to switch between torch and weapons

Con: you have to physically switch to it and extinguish it to put it out

Question maybe only a dev can answer, is the lantern supposed to actually be more stealthy since it has like a fixed angle cone of lighting in front of you

Whereas the torch casts a bunch of ambient lighting

It's like you use the lantern more like a flashlight than anything

I never saw another player using a lantern so I don't really know how noticeable it is 🤔

[pulsar moat]

Imagine walking in the lobby like that fully chaded out and maybe when we have voip playing this song. But people for some reason do not like that idea to much, this would be unique cosmetic item not seen in any game

[junior hawk]

Hey guys, do you think that Japanese themed weapons would fit the game?

[wary shell]

not without a whole Asiatic slew of content

[pulsar moat]

why not to be honest, but not sure if we want to have to many types of weponry

[junior hawk]

I can imagine some kind of asiatic expansion in the future

[red jewel]

All of them. Samurai, monks and ninja are core classes in D and D

[junior hawk]

And generally, the weapons that I mentioned are one of the most famous ones

Knights and barb are cool and all, but adding some other styles wouldn't hurt, right?

[quasi epoch]

Guys why don't u like the health bar sugestion? ( I don't argue im just confused)

[junior hawk]

It brings you out of the fantasy of being in a ruthless dungeon

[quasi epoch]

True

[red jewel]

D&D Samurai can't use shields but specialize in a particular weapon really well (Katana+waki) and get a wisdom bonus. They also get inherent magic dmg on their weaps. Also ignore speed penalties from using heavy/medium armor

[quasi epoch]

Yeah the game will change if you decide not to fight if u can't win it will take from that " fun risk"

And from being scared 😂

[junior hawk]

I still find the idea of the weapons that I mention to not being that bad...

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Lmao

[quasi epoch]

More stilish wepons would not hurt

[junior hawk]

That reminded me and the cleric boys going around the dungeon and judgement one guy to death

[quasi epoch]

From all world it will be nice too

[junior hawk]

What is not stilish enough in a katana and a bigger katana? Heck, a Kanobo is freaking cool

[quasi epoch]

That what I was sayng

[lucid root]

I think health bars are kind of harmless for pve but shouldn't be able to see player health

After a while you know how many hits all the mobs take anyway

[junior hawk]

I think learning how many hits it takes would feel more satisfying in the long run.

[lucid root]

Seems like more of a dev design choice that they're already settled on, minimal unobtrusive ui

[sacred hill]

self destruction

personal dps meters - yes, health bars - no / for me

[junior hawk]

Just seeing that suggetion, remindins me of a barb with 180 hp

[lucid root]

Maybe see your dps and stuff in combat logs after the game?

[junior hawk]

I can imagine that to be somewhat interesting

[sacred hill]

i want to see headshot crits during game

[junior hawk]

I want to see the friendly damage :3

[sonic pendant]

#d-and-d-suggestions message#d-and-d-suggestions message that was how it was originally, but it caused massive lag on the discord server due to something about how the log files are created for those player-created voice channels, every time one is made/deleted, something like that, and too many people using it. it behaved like a memory leak does for a game. a mod here explained it better a while ago.

[sacred hill]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

including skins

[young siren]

Hi there I'm new to the server. I did not get to play test myself but I was wondering how the community feels about bigger parties for perhaps pvm content. such as 5 man teams with bigger maps and doorways of course. Maybe something massive such as a 10 man team where they can go fight a LOTR styled balrug as raid content.

[mystic sundial]

custom maps are gonna be a must eventually 😄 helms deep etc

[sonic pendant]

#d-and-d-suggestions message with the longsword if you block and then right click (iirc) you get a fast attack, just fyi.

[sudden fractal]

@wintry forge #d-and-d-suggestions message
its always fun seeing what suggestions u come up with lol

you never fail to consistently come up with the absolute worst takes

@young siren in the current state of the game that would be wayyy too much work to implement

but later down the line having huge raids like that sounds like a pretty fun idea

[fiery pond]

New classes???

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @sonic pendant

Someone said that skins/cosmetics were confirmed by the devs that it was going to be purchased with real money and adventure currency was going to be removed on full release. But i highly doubt it, since its so successful.
But if that was true, i’d say the -20% Armor is good, so it wouldn’t effect the game as much.

But in the end everything in game isn’t final, there might be changes to the skins and cosmetics in the later future.
Which means stat-boosted skins such as the skeleton could be due to changes in the future.

[young siren]

how so? Idk how the game was coded but the combat style seems slow enough to add bigger mobs and bigger maps

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

They’re called “EPIC GEAR” for a reason 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[sudden fractal]

well that would mean they gotta make the place worth while, meaning everything to be different and exciting

and designing a whole new map thats significantly larger to accomodate the higher playercount

they could think about it after the game fully releases

i mean we dont even have half of the classes they want to implement

[young siren]

I hear ya on that. I mean they have a fantastic game so far and it for sure would require some work. one thing is for certain tho they will have more players for the next tests. so player count will be up no matter what

[sudden fractal]

yeah they are planning on that but thats exactly what i mean, its all still in testing phase

but all in all i dont see why they couldnt look at that after release

if i understood ur suggestion correctly, ur thinking of WoW style raids right?

[young siren]

oof no no haha

[sudden fractal]

no?

wym then

[young siren]

i just dont want to throw "wow" type raids into the conversation cuz i dont want to lose anyone on the concept

[sudden fractal]

fair

[young siren]

keep the same game play just with a big guy that does big damage to anyone not wearing all blue gear or something thats it

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @sharp pond

If you mean, refinement tiers that increase the stats of weapons. I’d disagree.
Would make it harder for newer players to player vs player when your over there 1 hit killing them.
Not to mention the weapons and gear already sometimes 1-3 shot players, so adding refinements would ruin the balance majorly.

Also, keeping Durability and Repair functions is a must for a game like this

[young siren]

give him animations that knock people over or something cool and let the loot be big and rewarding but not something so rare that you will have to horde it, that way you can go risk it or sell it to go pay for more blue gear (ideally something that has a nice snug fit into the loot tables and not something you "have to do")

like a 0.5 % - 1.5 % chance for yellow gear

[sudden fractal]

so just a bigger harder map that allows for larger squads with a big big big boss to fight in it?

[glacial bridge]

just what i was looking for. farming bosses with a 1% drop rate instead of playing pvp extraction

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @half cargo

This isn’t Apex, This is a Dungeon crawler extraction game.
Using discord voice chat isn’t exactly mandatory to form a party with other players, usually there are quite a few no-mic players who you can group up with aswel.

As for adding skill based system to normal mode to prevent matching up with higher geared players is a stupid idea for this type of game. There will most likely be no skill based matchmaking added because it would ruin the entire concept the game was based on.

[young siren]

who says pvp has to be taken out of raid battles

:)

[sudden fractal]

fax, thats what i was thinking

in general it would be the same game mechanics

zone and pvp and everything

just a different bigger map

with a different style of boss to fight in there

[young siren]

excatlyy* same game just with another thing to worry about

if two 5 men wanna kill eachother theycan or they can have a truce and fight the big guy

[sudden fractal]

well u can always just avoid it and go for the loot around the map/pvp

but yeah thats not a bad idea

[young siren]

that way its not fortnite and its not WoW everyone is happy

[sudden fractal]

fax

[young siren]

ty

[sudden fractal]

i think what we all need the most rn tho is to just be able to play the game

D:

[young siren]

big fax

[young siren]

i cant wait for the next playtest, I have all my friends interested in it

[sudden fractal]

im just so addicted man

idk how they did it

but they made the best game ive played in the past few years

tried playing tarkov few days ago to scratch that itch but it was just miserable

[lucid root]

Haven't been this into a game since red orchestra, maybe tf2, the first chivalry before dueling got too tryhardy

[glacial bridge]

chivalry was a lot of fun before the sweats evolved

as much as i love stylin with a frying pan in mordhau, that shit is just unfun for new players and hurts growth

[lucid root]

Turned into seizure zweihander vanguards glitching out the movement to the point of being unplayable lol

[fervent crag]

They definitely did, wasn’t expecting much at the start.
But then i got hooked to the point where i was grinding on a “playtest” for hours…

Never grinded for so long on a playtest when it’s not even in the beta phase.

[sudden fractal]

i played the game for 5 days and i racked up 69hrs total

(it was a coincidence, but a pleasant one)

i simply cannot wait for the next playtest, i wonder how much will change 🤔

[young siren]

ty all for the upvotes!

[young siren]

what a gamer

[fervent crag]

100% got about 50+ hours myself.
We’re most likely only getting 7 days for the next playtest for the duration of steamfest, but it would be great if they increased it to 2 weeks. Now thats gonna be a time to feel alive again.

The game felt fresh and as you said pleasant.

[sullen gazelle]

@upbeat pewter why u disagree with my suggestion? just curious : )

[upbeat pewter]

Ttk seems good to me right now. If anything, players with gear are too tanky, and lower weapons need buffs (later weapons need better perks)

[sullen gazelle]

as a wizard i've gotten 1 shot from a grey longbow so I actually dont understand what u mean

[upbeat pewter]

Adding hp would just make the problem worse.
Thats a wizard problem, if anything. Across the board buffs wouldnt be a good solution.

[sudden fractal]

if a grey longbow 1 shots a grey armour wizard

get better wizard armour?

idk seems simple to me

[fiery pond]

Fr

[sullen gazelle]

lmao armor rating in this game basically means nothing

[sudden fractal]

wizard can also go invis and do more dmg

[sullen gazelle]

theres no stat to get tanker

I agree wizard is op and too strong and needs nerfs, but im saying overall everything can get 1 shot with op gear

[sudden fractal]

tell that to all blue barbs

[sullen gazelle]

a bow can 1 shot a warrior, u think thats fun?

[sudden fractal]

i dont think it can lol

[sullen gazelle]

it 100% can

with decent green gear

u haven't played the game enough rofl

[sudden fractal]

a legendary longbow can 1 shot a naked fighter yeah

[sudden fractal]

ahem

[upbeat pewter]

Rogues can one shot everyone reliably with green gear.

Pretty much all classes are busted strong if you build right

[sudden fractal]

which is good

[sullen gazelle]

thats why the base value of things are too high

LMFAO

U GUYTS ARE EXPLAINING EVERYTHING IMR IGHT IN

[upbeat pewter]

Not at all. You just need to play better.

[sullen gazelle]

TY FOR TELLING ME MY SUGGEST MAKES SENSE

[sudden fractal]

?

u good?

no need for heightened emotions

[sullen gazelle]

if u build correctly making the class strong, then every class would be too strong and not much outplay potential

every 1 shot everyone

fun?

[upbeat pewter]

You can counter the 'busted strong' by building something good against them.

[sudden fractal]

if every class is strong

then, doesnt that mean everything is equal?

[upbeat pewter]

Or play better.

[sudden fractal]

^

[glacial bridge]

they definitely need to raise endgame magic resist on gear. not sure about phys. i dont think the solution is hp

[sullen gazelle]

no it means the base value damage of things is too high from everything

it is equal, but not in a good way?

[sudden fractal]

i think its fine

[upbeat pewter]

Yeah, i think its mostly a problem with damage/armour differences between grey and leg being too big

[sudden fractal]

leg too big?

[upbeat pewter]

And most perks being terrible.

[sullen gazelle]

I cant disagree more

how are legendarys good when the stats are irrelevant and only 2%?

[upbeat pewter]

Just the difference. Like 14 damage grey dagger vs 40-50

[sullen gazelle]

yea so the base value is too strong

[upbeat pewter]

Legendary is currently far better without the perks.

[sullen gazelle]

ty again

[upbeat pewter]

That has nothing to do woth your argument.

[sudden fractal]

what r u thanking us for?

[sullen gazelle]

for proving me right

[sudden fractal]

this is a discussion? not a childish "im right ur wrong"

[upbeat pewter]

It doesnt prove you right at all, lol

[sudden fractal]

grow the fuck up

[sullen gazelle]

ur discussion doesn't make sense cuz ur agreeing with me but u disagreed

hows this childish

[upbeat pewter]

Remember this all started because he wanted to know why i downvoted his suggestion lol

[sullen gazelle]

ur just not making sense

[sudden fractal]

lmao

[sullen gazelle]

"grow up" LOL

[sudden fractal]

why did he pick u of all ppl to discuss this about?

[sullen gazelle]

yea im being so childish guys

ill go back to daycare myb

[sudden fractal]

ur digging ur own grave kid

[sullen gazelle]

right

[sudden fractal]

but sure keep going lol

[sullen gazelle]

explain how I am

because u cant

[sudden fractal]

you'll find out when ur a few years older

[frosty creek]

hello all i was thinking abou this game a lot and i have idea
what if iron mace make big map with out closing circle ?
so ppl can farm all they want then leave with portal

[sudden fractal]

that would be too easy

[upbeat pewter]

But to elaborate, more hp doesnt help problem, just allows noobs to feel slightly better. Problem, too big of a difference between best gear and worse gear. Solution, reduce difference in stats, make perks similar in power to each other and allow that to be the real difference.

[sullen gazelle]

wait I wasn't even typing to you @sudden fractal lol why did u join our discussion and ruin it